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IRC Log for 2013-01-09

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[0:00] <Wardio> I don't think im explaining myself v well. I was wondering If the usb hub (being mains powered) could power both the pi (which I connect to the hub for power) and an external HDD
[0:00] <Wardio> im gessing not
[0:00] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on the hub
[0:01] <mjr> "possibly", with various funky wiring options
[0:01] <IT_Sean> In theory, yes. Connect the hum to mains. Connect the Pi's power input to the hub. Connect the Pi's USB port to the Hub. Connect the HDD to the hub.
[0:01] <IT_Sean> *hub
[0:01] <IT_Sean> Sometimes, in here, turning the thing on seems so much more complicated than anything else.
[0:01] * IT_Sean sets mode -o IT_Sean
[0:02] <Wardio> :)
[0:02] <mjr> if the hub is picky about per-port current, you'll want one of those wardio's cables. It may not be though.
[0:02] <mjr> oops, your cables
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> and the supply the hub itself is running off
[0:03] <Wardio> ok cool
[0:03] <Wardio> bit annoying I need a hub to attach external HDD, but ah well
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[0:06] <Wardio> thanks for help though guys
[0:06] * IT_Sean nods
[0:06] <IT_Sean> Always glad to.
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[0:08] <defsdoor> cool - I have my led string controlling app runnig and only using 1% cpu
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[0:11] <Wardio> just got VPN working on rasp :D
[0:11] <Wardio> so happy
[0:11] <Wardio> will finally be able to play spotify at work
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[0:11] <defsdoor> if I'm just using ssh login should i configure minimum screen ram ?>
[0:11] <defsdoor> wardopenvpn ?
[0:11] <defsdoor> Wardio, openvpn ?
[0:11] <defsdoor> even :)
[0:12] <Wardio> nah PPTP
[0:12] <Wardio> so it'll work on me ipad
[0:12] <defsdoor> hmm liberal use of the word vpn
[0:12] <defsdoor> or do you mean l2tp ?
[0:12] <Wardio> no PPTP
[0:12] <defsdoor> :|
[0:12] <Wardio> AFAIK
[0:12] <chithead> I don't think pptp deserves the p in vpn
[0:13] <Wardio> it really that insecure?
[0:13] <defsdoor> http://blog.defsdoor.org/2011/06/02/large-openvpn-server-deployment/ < thats me
[0:13] <defsdoor> I also setup strongswan on the same vpn server for ipads
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[0:14] <Wardio> nice
[0:14] <defsdoor> Wardio, today it's not some bad - depends on the implementation
[0:14] <defsdoor> but it's reputation was irrecoverably tarnished
[0:14] <Wardio> im pretty crap at networky stuff tho, can't even get L2TP working on my fedora distro
[0:15] <defsdoor> l2tp with ipsec is almost tolerable
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[0:15] <ambro718> In raspbian, why is the root shell completely colorless, but the user (pi) shell is all nice with Gentoo-like prompt and colors?
[0:15] <defsdoor> but ipsec is a right mystic cauldron
[0:15] <defsdoor> openvpn just rocks
[0:16] <chithead> if you absolutely must use pptp, at least use accel-ppp server to have an easy migration path to l2tp when your clients become sophisticated enough
[0:16] <defsdoor> chithead, it's he using pptp hes most likely running a windows server
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[0:19] <frikinz> Do you know if there's a working configuration for having an android phone connect to a "road warrior" vpn? I've failed with latest android 4.1
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[0:24] <Wardio> well I just did the simplest that my ipad, linux laptop and macbook could connect to
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[0:24] <Wardio> I use openvpn at work, but my iphone won't connect with that AFAIK
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[0:33] <[SkG]> <doctorray> [SkG]: might that be on your roadmap? sorry to bug <-- I'm not the developer, I only package omxplayer
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[0:38] <MAN-AT-ARMS> hello..does anyone know how to get GL system working for quake3
[0:38] <MAN-AT-ARMS> crashes on glimp_init()
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[0:40] <dr_willis> THeres some guides out there on getting q3 working. Ive not tried it myself.
[0:41] <TAFB> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTY_ch2qNII
[0:41] <TAFB> ^^^ me playin quake3
[0:41] <TAFB> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=18853
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[0:49] <MAN-AT-ARMS> its compiled..it doesnt find the gl libraries tho
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[0:56] <Wardio> run ldd on the exe to see if there's any libs it's failed to find
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[1:00] <ambro718> OpenMAX IL spec says "Operating System Vendors are anticipated to deliver software multimedia framework and standard reference OpenMAX IL components that enable integration of the representative silicon vendor???s components and ISV components.".
[1:00] <ambro718> But on the RPi it seems all I get is complete OpenMAX IL blob in /opt/vc/lib/libopenmaxil.so.
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[1:00] <ambro718> why does this separation seem to not exist? Am I missing something?
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[1:05] <aDro> Anyone heard of BerryBoot?
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[1:06] <linuxstb> ambro718: I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. What are you expecting, based on that quote from the spec?
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[1:09] <ambro718> linuxstb: that there would be a standard generic OpenMAX IL implementation on Linux, and that the board-specific acceletation code would plug into this implementation
[1:10] <ambro718> i.e. standard libopenmaxil.so and the acceleration thing could be /usr/lib/openmax/broadcom_plugin.so, dlopen'd by the standard library
[1:10] <linuxstb> Doesn't it all run on the GPU? IIUC, the Linux (ARM) part is just a thin wrapper.
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[1:10] <ambro718> yeah, that's the problem. According to the spec it shouldn't be like that.
[1:11] <linuxstb> But isn't that the best way, from a performance point of view?
[1:11] <ambro718> for example a problem with the way it is that it makes it impossible for *another* piece of hardware to provide its services *at the same time in the same OpenMAX encironment*
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[1:12] <ambro718> linuxstb: I don't think so, OpenMAX is very generic and this shouldn't prevent doing things in hardware
[1:14] <ambro718> for example, I would like to have a generic ALSA sound card component in OpenMAX, then hook the hardware decoder component into the sound card component. But I can't really do that since I'm forced to use the OpenMAX blob and I can't easily add an ALSA component to it.
[1:15] <ambro718> basically the way it's done violates part of the whole reason OpenMAX exists in the first place
[1:15] <linuxstb> Well, I'm not the person to argue with? (and I don't think anyone here is)
[1:15] <ambro718> (maybe the blob does have an ALSA component, but the points stands)
[1:17] <linuxstb> This is the frustrating part of the Pi - the GPU firmware is controlled by Broadcom and the programmers working for the Pi Foundation. The community has no input.
[1:21] <ambro718> it's kind of like if you wanted to use a FPU you had to replace your libm.so with a closed blob, lol
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[2:00] <ChubZee> hey all, just an update on how i got on turning my rpi into a satellite receiver
[2:01] <pfdotn> ChubZee: Have you documented that?
[2:01] <ChubZee> im running raspbmc with tvheadend and a tevii s660 usb dvb-s2 tuner and a 500gb usb hdd
[2:01] <ChubZee> not yet, i will be doing
[2:01] <ChubZee> i got some help from this channel so i said i'd provide an update
[2:01] <pfdotn> ChubZee: Awesome, would be interested to read.
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[2:02] <ChubZee> it was pretty straight forward, i picked the usb tuner based on it's compatability on linuxtv.org and also price point, a nice balance
[2:02] <ChubZee> only snag atm is i can't watch hd channels, the rpi just can't handle it
[2:02] <ChubZee> it can record them fine but not watch them live
[2:03] <ChubZee> i've not tested diseqc since i only have a single lnb setup
[2:04] <ChubZee> but the rpi really is a capable bit of kit :)
[2:04] <ChubZee> plan is to get a 2nd one then use the first as backend and the 2nd as frontend, so fingers crossed it'll manage hd
[2:04] <ChubZee> might need an investment in network infrastructure though
[2:04] <mdszy> ChubZee, what are the HD videos encoded as?
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[2:05] <mdszy> 'cause can't you buy a license for the decoder and the RPi does 1080p videos really well?
[2:05] <ChubZee> mpeg2 i think
[2:05] <ChubZee> yeh, i've got the licence
[2:05] <mdszy> ah
[2:05] <mdszy> still doesn't work well?
[2:05] <ChubZee> no, choppy at best
[2:06] <mdszy> Dang
[2:06] <ChubZee> i've not had much chance to tinker with settings however so if you have any suggestions, throw em at me :)
[2:06] <mdszy> I dunno, sorry
[2:06] <mjr> probably too much load from getting the stuff through the tuner and munging it forward to the gpu
[2:07] <mdszy> that's probably it
[2:07] <ChubZee> the loadavg is pretty high but it's not cpu use so there's a bottleneck somewhere
[2:07] <ChubZee> i've had some io problems with the usb hdd so i might swap that
[2:07] <mjr> I presume that as with dvb-t, dvb-s stores multiple channels in one mux. The tuner probably sends the whole mux with all its channels over the USB, generating a fair bit of load. Then the cpu has to separate the channel you want to watch from there and play it.
[2:08] <ChubZee> the lnb tunes out the signals from each mux
[2:08] <ChubZee> so i don't think it's that
[2:08] <ChubZee> unless tvheadend is bypassing that so you can record/view multiple channels from the same mux at the same time
[2:08] <mjr> lnb?
[2:09] <ChubZee> low noise block on the satellite dish
[2:09] <mjr> a mux is a single data stream
[2:09] <mjr> you don't block parts of it out with a noise block on the dish
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[2:10] <ChubZee> im no expert on sat equipment so i could be wrong but that was the impression i got
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[2:12] <linuxstb> ChubZee: You could just buy a second Pi - use tvheadend on one, xbmc on the other.
[2:12] <mjr> So anyway, the point is the pi probably has to sort through multiple channels of data (unless the tuner makers weren't penny pinchers and we know they are). The processing is straightforward but getting it from the usb is already semi-heavy and it's probably just enough then that it doesn't have enough time to arrange smooth playback
[2:13] <mjr> that _would_ probably help
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[2:13] <mjr> well, possibly
[2:13] <mjr> I presume you've overclocked the pants off the pi already?
[2:13] <ChubZee> only up to 900mhz
[2:13] <ChubZee> linuxstb, thats the plan atm but funding issues post-xmas so might have to wait a while :)
[2:14] <linuxstb> But for reliable use, I would (and do) use a "real" PC as a server running tvh, and then just use the Pi for a client.
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[2:14] <linuxstb> But I would be curious to know how reliable a Pi just running tvheadend (and not xbmc at the same time) is.
[2:15] <ChubZee> tbh it's been really stable with sd channels running tvh and xbmc on the single rpi
[2:15] <ChubZee> i had a dvb-t tuner setup earlier and it worked very nicely too
[2:15] <linuxstb> What HD channels are you trying to watch?
[2:15] <ChubZee> the menus can take a while to update when viewing a full epl but it's definitely usable
[2:15] <ChubZee> freesat/astra fta stuff
[2:15] <linuxstb> So BBC/ITV/C4 HD?
[2:15] <ChubZee> bbc hd, itv hd, c4 hd
[2:15] <ChubZee> yeah
[2:15] <ChubZee> all them
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[2:17] <linuxstb> Well, the bitrate on those isn't that high - about 7-9Mbits/s IIRC. This compares to about 3-4Mbits/s for an SD channel.
[2:17] <ChubZee> if i record them it's fine but it won't display live
[2:17] <ChubZee> same if i use another computer to display the stream from tvh
[2:18] <linuxstb> Strange. Did you stop xbmc at the time?
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[2:18] <ChubZee> no
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[2:23] <ChubZee> just been running an sd channel for 10 mins and loadavgs are 5.03, 5.29, 4.65
[2:23] <ChubZee> so there's a bottleneck somewhere
[2:23] <ChubZee> top shows:
[2:23] <ChubZee> 609 pi 20 0 349m 64m 18m D 9.2 25.9 15:42.95 xbmc.bin
[2:23] <ChubZee> 1118 pi 20 0 107m 8524 1772 D 6.2 3.3 7:16.07 tvheadend
[2:23] <ChubZee> 35 root 20 0 0 0 0 D 2.0 0.0 0:22.33 mmcqd/0
[2:23] <ChubZee> 1139 root 20 0 3088 1268 912 R 1.3 0.5 0:34.47 top
[2:23] <ChubZee> 609 pi 20 0 349m 64m 18m D 9.2 25.9 15:42.95 xbmc.bin
[2:23] <ChubZee> 1118 pi 20 0 107m 8524 1772 D 6.2 3.3 7:16.07 tvheadend
[2:24] <ChubZee> 35 root 20 0 0 0 0 D 2.0 0.0 0:22.33 mmcqd/0
[2:24] <ChubZee> 1139 root 20 0 3088 1268 912 R 1.3 0.5 0:34.47 top
[2:24] <ChubZee> whoops :s
[2:24] <ChubZee> vmstat is giving high wait times
[2:24] <ChubZee> no swapping though
[2:25] <ChubZee> stopped the channel and the wait times drop to 0
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[2:33] <aaearon> is it common for the ethernet adapter to go bad?
[2:33] <scummos^> never heard of that
[2:33] <scummos^> what tells you the ethernet adapter died
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[2:34] <aaearon> will keep on scrolling 'waiting 8 seconds for network interface to come up' for a couple of minutes til it gives up
[2:34] <aaearon> tried different port on switch, different switch, different ethernet cable
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[2:36] <s5fs> aaearon: it's prob your config, are you using a static ip or dhcp?
[2:36] <aaearon> dhcp
[2:37] <s5fs> aaearon: is this delay on boot or anytime you try to interact with the interface?
[2:37] <aaearon> on boot
[2:37] <Torikun> yo
[2:37] <aaearon> havent touched this raspi in months
[2:37] <s5fs> aaearon: check /etc/network/interfaces and ensure that eth0 is set to auto
[2:38] <s5fs> aaearon: weird, that's no fun. are you able to bring the interface up manually?
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[2:39] <s5fs> Torikun: yo
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[2:40] <Torikun> sup s5fs
[2:40] <yehnan> hi, good morning.
[2:40] <Torikun> how it going
[2:40] <s5fs> not much, wrapping up for the day, getting on towards 6p here.
[2:40] <yehnan> What program do you use to play mp3 and flac on xwindow?
[2:40] <Torikun> you in california also
[2:40] <s5fs> oregon
[2:40] <aaearon> static worked...i wonder if my dhcp pool is full
[2:41] <s5fs> Torikun: i escaped across the cali border about 4yrs ago, haha
[2:41] <Torikun> lol
[2:41] * Torikun in Silicon Valley
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[2:42] <Torikun> what do you do with your pi s5fs
[2:42] <s5fs> aaearon: go through your network config files and ensure they look right. i don't know what distro you run, nor am i that familiar w/the rasppi distros, but i've been writing software to manage network interfaces on beagleboards and this happens there too.
[2:43] <Torikun> sounds like he on raspian
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[2:43] <Tirili> Hi
[2:43] <Torikun> Yo Tirili
[2:43] <Tirili> How can I install the nvidia-cg-toolkit on raspbian?
[2:43] <Tirili> Yo Torikun
[2:44] <s5fs> Torikun: i've got two pis, a 256 and a 512 (new!). the little guy runs a node.js app and logs temp/humidity data from a bluetooth arduino sensor. the second one is being used as a build target for angstrom, but i'm still science dog with angstrom.
[2:44] <Torikun> COol
[2:44] <s5fs> Torikun: whatcha doing with yours?
[2:44] <Torikun> one is my daughters thin client to watch movies and run chrome via ssh and my other one is my website: rusher81572.com , DNS, timemachien server ,
[2:44] <Torikun> and email
[2:45] <s5fs> Torikun: haha, so you're using 'em for 'real' stuff, good on you! i 'do computers' for a living, so i'm mainly interested in using them as tools for furthering my education.
[2:45] <Torikun> lol I do computers for a living also
[2:46] <Torikun> same here, I wanted to learn about DNS and dhcp and email
[2:46] <s5fs> Torikun: i figured, that's a pretty decent setup
[2:46] <Torikun> great devices for education
[2:46] <Torikun> I am getting a third one that will offset some servers on this one lol
[2:46] <s5fs> Torikun: ah, highly recommend the 'dns and bind' book by cricket liu.
[2:46] <Torikun> ok
[2:47] <Torikun> I highly recommend nginx over httpd
[2:47] <Torikun> had bad results on the pi with apache
[2:47] <s5fs> dhcp is too easy to mess up, and email you're on your own unless you wanna run exchange, haha!
[2:47] <Torikun> lol
[2:47] <Torikun> I wrote a guide for DNS and Email
[2:47] <s5fs> Torikun: yeah, i wrote my own server using node.js but haven't benchmarked it.
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[2:47] <Torikun> nice
[2:48] <s5fs> meh, less than 50 lines iirc
[2:48] <s5fs> node is cool if you can live with javascript. been a weird adjustment period.
[2:48] <Torikun> oh
[2:49] <s5fs> haha, if you're not careful you'll end up with a cluster of the little things
[2:49] <Torikun> lol
[2:49] <s5fs> start getting alerts at work when things go down, haha
[2:49] <Torikun> lol just like at work lol
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[2:50] <s5fs> i should slap cacti on a pi, just for giggles. i bet it would be horrid, haha!
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[2:50] <Torikun> what is that
[2:50] <s5fs> monitoring, trend graphing, alerts, etc
[2:50] <Torikun> oooooo what distro you run
[2:51] <s5fs> pi #1 is raspian, pi #2 is angstrom. i personally am running ubuntu.
[2:51] <Torikun> COol. Arch on both my pi's
[2:51] <Torikun> i am thinking about putting Ubuntu on my macbook lol
[2:51] <s5fs> angstrom is it's own distro, i'm interested in learning how to build and deploy my own little distros/packages/etc
[2:51] <Torikun> i wish the pi was powerful enough for a nas
[2:52] <s5fs> Torikun: i hear mixed results with ubuntu on mbp, but it seems to vary greatly by year/model.
[2:52] <Torikun> Early 2011 mac
[2:52] <Torikun> what is bad that you heard?
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[2:53] <s5fs> Torikun: trackpad and power management issues. i went to an ubuntu release party late last october, got an earful from a guy
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[2:53] <Torikun> lol
[2:53] <s5fs> so, anecdotal evidence at best, but i'd expect minor issues, it's the linux way ;-)
[2:54] <s5fs> Torikun: have you tried running your os off a usb thumbdrive? keep the boot partition on the sdcard and root on the usb drive, supposed to be a big improvement in performance.
[2:54] <Torikun> no but TAFB here did and had great performance
[2:54] <Torikun> he actually used a SSD
[2:54] <Torikun> lol
[2:55] <s5fs> haha!
[2:55] <s5fs> well there's your nas!
[2:55] <Torikun> How could I do it
[2:55] <Torikun> would it be worth it running on pen drive?
[2:55] <s5fs> sure, why not
[2:55] <Torikun> performacne should be better
[2:56] <pksato> and a 1TB kingston pendrive...
[2:56] <Torikun> lol i got a 16 GB
[2:56] <s5fs> i was running freenas for a while as an iscsi target, good free software but i don't think it runs on arm.
[2:57] <Torikun> do you now how to move system to sd
[2:57] <s5fs> Torikun: nah, haven't tried it. i'm sure there are instructions, if you want i can ping my buddy and get back to you tomm.
[2:57] <Torikun> ok sure ty
[2:57] <s5fs> he's not really a linux guy though, if he got it working it can't be too crazy.
[2:58] <Torikun> im sure it is http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6565
[2:58] <s5fs> Torikun: http://www.networkinghowtos.com/howto/raspbian-on-raspberry-pi-using-sd-card-usb-memory-stick/
[2:59] <pksato> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/kingston-shows-first-1tb-usb-3-0-drive-new-datatraveler-ultimate/
[2:59] <Torikun> ty
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[2:59] <s5fs> Torikun: i spent 15sec looking at that page, seems reasonable!
[3:00] <Torikun> lol
[3:03] <s5fs> Torikun: it was nice chatting with you, keep having fun! i'm heading home, time to go play with my pi, haha!
[3:03] <Torikun> tc
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[3:10] <bjp> sweet, got youtube plugin to work in OpenElec
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[3:27] <Torikun> TAFB: you there
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[3:39] <risc> greetings Pi dudes
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[3:41] <Torikun> yo risc
[3:42] <dr_willis> is there any weather plugins that work with any of the *bmc distros? ;)
[3:42] <dr_willis> it seems its always tagged as broken
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[4:24] <UnaClocker> Wasn't it just like 2 weeks ago I was saying I think they've sold about a million Pi? And someone wanted to debate that.. And go figure, today they announce that they're probably at a million..
[4:25] <dniMretsaM> that's a lot of Pi
[4:25] <dniMretsaM> glad I got myself a slice :)
[4:26] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I bet Broadcom is pretty happy with it.. Probably one of their biggest customers now.
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[4:26] <dniMretsaM> good point
[4:26] <dniMretsaM> too bad the whole chip isn't open source, though
[4:26] <UnaClocker> Yup..
[4:28] <dniMretsaM> isn't part of the DSI proprietary, as well?
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[4:30] <shiftplusone> nuh, they say that this is insignificant for broadcom, especially given the discount they gave on the chip.
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[4:32] <dniMretsaM> hadn't thought of that, shiftplusone
[4:32] <plugwash> compared to phone/stb/etc markets a million units is still small fry
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[4:34] <Gallomimia> hopefully the pi market spawns enough broadcom cpu devs that it becomes significant. not in monetary but in brand recognition
[4:35] <Primer> woot, it only took a day, but I got vlc mosaic to mux my 5 security cams into one stream!
[4:35] <plugwash> maybe, the thing is though end users don't tend to buy broadcom branded products
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[4:36] <shiftplusone> that and broadcom is often mentioned in a negative way when talking about the pi, so it might even be hurting them.
[4:36] <plugwash> and even with regards developers apparently broadcom doesn't like to talk to little guys or make thier products available in small quantities
[4:36] <dniMretsaM> broadcom is mentioned negatively by the Linux community in general
[4:37] <dniMretsaM> but I still give them props for being willing to work with the Pi folks so nicely. and even open sourcing a little extra of the GPU.
[4:38] <Gallomimia> just cause it's new and painful
[4:38] <Gallomimia> yeah. i personally don't give a damn what other people say about broadcom. that's serious props from me
[4:39] <shiftplusone> the "linux community" (and by that I mean a vocal minority) tends to see things in a very black and white way, so anything broadcom does is seen as evil unless they opensource everything.
[4:39] <shiftplusone> When they opensourced the userland, people complained as well... =/
[4:39] <Gallomimia> well, yeah i can see their point. but baby steps man... be patient
[4:40] <mythos> if they don't complain, it would never opensourced
[4:40] <dniMretsaM> I think the main reason people complained about that is because all the tech sites were claiming that the whole thing was open when it really wasn,t
[4:40] <shiftplusone> yeah
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[4:41] <dniMretsaM> at least they're taking steps to get along with the community. unlike *cough*NVidia
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[4:42] <dniMretsaM> that's given me a lot more respect for the company than I had before
[4:42] <Gallomimia> broadcom is going in the right direction. i think intel is basically staying where they're at and it's decent but i'm still reserved as to what such a large company might do. i haven't heard from IBM since the PPC970, amd i'm really not fond of. and nvidia obviously gets the big frowny face. there's a speech by cory doctorow with Q&A after that sums it up. we have a very limited quantity of silicon makers and with crap like UEFE floating aroun
[4:42] <Gallomimia> d on the idea board, we need to count our blessings
[4:43] <Gallomimia> it's called "the coming war on general purpose computers" and it's from a chaos communications congress. everyone should watch it if they've ever switched on a computer.
[4:44] <dniMretsaM> Gallomimia: do you happen to have a link on hand?
[4:44] <Gallomimia> i think not handy. but you can find it on boingboing.com
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[4:44] <Gallomimia> let me look
[4:45] <Gallomimia> oddly enough, i don't keep links. i keep the content itself
[4:45] <shiftplusone> Don't think bcm will budge any further though. Don't think that they are concerned about the community. It most likely came about as a result of a negotiation with the foundation, not any sort of push from the community. The foundation has always said they'll try to be as open as they can be and have always been making an effort on that front. But again, to some people it's all or nothing.
[4:45] <dniMretsaM> the name is kind of ironic in this instance, considering the Pi arose out of a need to combat the lack of programmers which has been blamed on the general purpose computers
[4:46] <Datalink|Elsewhe> is it bad that I'm using yt on my pi, a TV control script, MOSH, and the MOSH mod of irssi ConnectBot on my phone to control my TV?
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[4:46] <Datalink> heh, actually it's like having my phone as a remote
[4:46] <Gallomimia> when i first saw the speech the pi was on the verge of release and that only put me moreso on the edge of my seat
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[4:48] <dniMretsaM> Gallomimia: I found the Q&A
[4:48] <Gallomimia> the whole speech has value
[4:49] <Gallomimia> it's about 75min
[4:49] <Gallomimia> http://boingboing.net/2011/12/27/the-coming-war-on-general-purp.html
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[4:49] <Gallomimia> i think this is a link to the writeup afterward
[4:50] <rikkib> Although I am not really into criticizing "the foundation", there is actually not point, as an open source developer I would not give "the foundation or broadcom the time of day.
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[4:51] <Gallomimia> the pi isn't really about open source tbh
[4:51] <Gallomimia> it's about bringing a cheap computing solution to the masses. kids and schools
[4:51] <rikkib> I dare say the lack of progress with the OS and fixing bugs will only get worse as developers drop the RPi like a hot potato
[4:52] <Gallomimia> obviously microsoft (or apple) tagging on a fee for the OS isn't within their purvue
[4:53] <Gallomimia> what is left after eliminating them? FOSS. they want free as in beer
[4:53] <Dagger2> Gallomimia: the Pi is about learning. I find it sadly ironic that there's so many parts of it that you're not allowed to learn about
[4:53] <Torikun> the pi reboot is much faster on USB pen drive
[4:53] <rikkib> I know a a bag that has existed for several months yet it is not on any list of bugs...
[4:54] <dniMretsaM> Dagger2: I kind of feel the same way. but the GPU and part of the DSI interface are the only proprietary parts, afaik. it could be much worse
[4:54] <Gallomimia> obviously we all wish we had a million dollars to hire a team of developers and speed it up
[4:54] <rikkib> This shows the OS developers really just don't have a clue
[4:54] <Gallomimia> but... we don't. right?
[4:54] <shiftplusone> Dagger2, What are you not allowed to learn about? It looks like the accelerated X server will have a large portion of reverse engineered code.
[4:55] <dniMretsaM> rikkib: has it been reported?
[4:55] <Gallomimia> i agree dniMretsaM. it could be much worse
[4:55] <Dagger2> dniMretsaM: and the bootloader... the GPU is no small part, either
[4:56] <Gallomimia> yeah rikkib. it's kind of hard to have a cluue with zero resources and no pay. a bit like playing darts with no lights
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[4:56] <rikkib> Personally i would not give "the foundation" the time of day due to their attitude... Tossed my off the forum for being critical
[4:57] <Gallomimia> it's easy to be arm-chair critical. let's see you dig into the code and find that bug, let alone fix it.
[4:57] <Dagger2> yeah, running Linux is definitely huge. if the OS was closed-source too then it'd be very :|
[4:57] <rikkib> I was fully perpared to do the work
[4:57] <dniMretsaM> well, then?
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[4:57] <rikkib> But when you can't talk to them what is the point
[4:57] <Gallomimia> nice thing about open source is you don't need to have access to their precious forums to do what you like
[4:58] <Dagger2> but still.
[4:58] <Gallomimia> get the code. merge your fixes. post it somewhere public. spam links here. someone will notice
[4:58] <rikkib> I have spare time and plenty of resources to debug the kernel and although it has been a few year it is not hard to pick it up again
[4:58] <Dagger2> (I was going to add more to the above line, but decided not to. hence the weird 75s pause before a two-word line)
[4:59] <dniMretsaM> Dagger2: isn't their a project going to get a fully compatible FLOSS bootloader for the Pi (based off of some other ARM loader)?
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[5:00] <dniMretsaM> s/their/there/
[5:00] <dniMretsaM> maybe there isn't. thought I read it somewhere. I'll see if I can find it again
[5:00] <Zarek_> isn't there already work on uboot for Pi?
[5:00] <Dagger2> I've not been paying attention... but I suspect that's probably a second stage bootloader, or whatever the term is
[5:00] <dniMretsaM> Zarek_: that sounds right
[5:01] <Dagger2> i.e. it'll be GPU blob -> FLOSS loader -> Linux instead of GPU blob -> Linux
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[5:01] <shiftplusone> Yes, there is an effort to replace the GPU blob, though it's not trivial, even though the gpu instruction set is very well documented.
[5:01] <rikkib> I wrote additions to raspi-config and sent them to asb... No reply.
[5:02] <rikkib> and of course the simple additions have not been implemented
[5:02] <shiftplusone> And you'll always have the closed bootrom that lives on the chip (the one that reads the sd card in the first place)
[5:03] <dniMretsaM> rikkib: did you do a pull request on github or what?
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[5:03] <rikkib> Come on it is a simple script... I sent it to him
[5:04] <dniMretsaM> couldn't hurt to try a pull request
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[5:04] <rikkib> It is still available on my sever somewhere but basically just simple additions to set root password, host name and static ip address
[5:05] <rikkib> Let me look
[5:05] <Gallomimia> alright sweet. that link i posted is actually the video. everyone watch it
[5:05] <rikkib> Before you can work with a developer one needs to acknowledge etc
[5:06] <rikkib> come to some sort of understanding
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[5:14] <wo0f> rikkib: lol, commit the code? don't 'send' it him :P
[5:15] <rikkib> I am not going to create an account on github just to have my code rejected
[5:15] <shiftplusone> you could make an account to fork the code
[5:15] <rikkib> I don't like being tossed off a forum for speaking the truth
[5:15] <dniMretsaM> the forum and the update script have nothing to do with each other
[5:16] <rikkib> The atitiude does
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[5:17] <rikkib> Developer have to be thick skinned as far as I am concerned... That is the way of the penguin
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[5:17] <dniMretsaM> which you're not being at the moment
[5:18] <pfdotn> What happened to just being courteous? Sure, say what you will about developers but your own conduct needs to be above reproach before others will lend your criticism an ear.
[5:18] <rikkib> I did my bit... May the suggestion, wrote the code and made it available
[5:18] <rikkib> made
[5:19] <pfdotn> For what it's worth, rikkib, I'm interested in your changes. They sound positive. It's possible that your contribution was inadvertently overlooked. Have you tried again?
[5:20] <rikkib> raspi-config does not allow noob to set up a static ip, set host name, dns or root pass.
[5:20] <rikkib> It is simple enough to help noob out
[5:20] <dniMretsaM> those do sound like nice additions
[5:20] <rikkib> asb ingnored linux basics
[5:21] <dniMretsaM> but if I may say so, noobs don't often need those
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[5:21] <pfdotn> You could debate that those features aren't really appropriate for a first-time user. The overwhelming majority of first-time users will be connecting to a network with DHCP available; providing these options may confuse the end user and allow them to inadvertently disrupt other network users.
[5:21] <rikkib> Most distro's allow these things to be set up on install which is what raspi-config is for
[5:21] <Datalink> I'd think it could be implemented as an 'advanced' option
[5:21] <rikkib> but it falls way short
[5:21] <pfdotn> I agree with Datalink.
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[5:21] <dniMretsaM> +1 to Datalink
[5:22] <Datalink> the curious will look at it, the new nervous user may or may not, it shows there's more to the Pi right off the bat too
[5:22] <rikkib> I am of the opinion that if they can not get the simple things right what it the point of expecting them to get other things right
[5:22] <pfdotn> rikkib: It sounds to me that you're misunderstanding asb's intentions. In that case, why don't you contribute your code again?
[5:22] <pfdotn> rikkib: Instead of just complaining about it here?
[5:23] <rikkib> I am telling you why I will not contribute
[5:23] <pfdotn> Ah.
[5:23] <rikkib> No skin off my nose if they will not listen
[5:23] <pfdotn> In this case, I'm going to politely suggest that nobody particularly cares about those who say "I won't do x because y."
[5:23] <pfdotn> But I hope it makes you feel better. :-)
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[5:23] <rikkib> This happened 3 or 4 months ago maybe even longer
[5:24] <Datalink> how did you approach them?
[5:24] <rikkib> No it does not make me feel better... I have 6 RPi plus other resources tied up
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[5:24] <rikkib> It is not good seeing no progress on known bugs which is where all this started
[5:25] <rikkib> I use web cams and have two live
[5:25] <pfdotn> rikkib: Okay, so why are you unwilling to try and improve things? Others have offered you suggestions on how to do that (submit a pull request, try again, or fork) and you're ignoring them. Do you realise your own hypocricy here?
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[5:25] <rikkib> I can not run latest kernel as they introduced a bug that breaks uvc vid (motion)
[5:27] <rikkib> I have worked on other projects including moxa drivers for the kernel and a project called xmlblaster
[5:27] <dniMretsaM> rikkib: if you're unwilling to try again yourself, you maybe could find someone else to give the modified code to and have them try for you
[5:27] <rikkib> It is not easy getting along with others and there is nothing worse that a fail when you write lot of code
[5:28] <rikkib> Give me a minute and I will put my code up...
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[5:31] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/rpi-config/
[5:32] <Datalink> rikkib, did you say "I have a better idea" or "I have a suggestion" with your proposal, language can do a lot for presentation
[5:32] <rikkib> Remove the overclocking as I do not believe this is something that should be in a noob config util
[5:32] <Datalink> again, advanced menu item :P
[5:32] <rikkib> No it did not
[5:33] <rikkib> I wrote this before the 512 model came out I think
[5:33] <rikkib> I renamed it to rpi-config so as not impinge asb ip
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[5:36] <rikkib> So it is a simple matter for asb to look at the code and cut and paste
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[5:40] <pfdotn> Is there a reason you chose to fork as opposed to contribute a patch back?
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[5:44] <rikkib> I do not have a login to github and not about the create one
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[5:45] <Gallomimia> rikkib, i know you'll be offended by what i'm about to say, but there's really no way to avoid that. stop being such a whiny bitch and play nice with the other kids in the sandbox. you obviously got cut from the forums for the same attitude you display here and that's the problem, not them. you seem to have some pretty good skills and they would be more valuable if you didn't act like a skim of oil on top of the otherwise miscible water
[5:45] <Gallomimia> tho, i do understand the desire to stay away from github\
[5:45] <pfdotn> rikkib: So others are expected to work harder to appease you? That doesn't align with your alleged "I want to help" (paraphased) approach.
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[5:46] <pfdotn> We all understand that you may have a personal objection to using GitHub, and that's fine -- but that's what the particular project you want to contribute to actually uses. So either get on aboard with it, come up with another solution, or withdraw.
[5:46] <pfdotn> And you never answered my question: Is there a reason you chose to fork as opposed to contribute a patch back?
[5:46] <Gallomimia> you could publish a .patch file instead of a full fork
[5:46] <shiftplusone> It's getting a bit personal here, maybe best to drop the subject =/
[5:47] <rikkib> I have no objection to playing in the sand box but first approach to asb was ingnored
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[5:47] <Tachyon`> well, good morning
[5:47] <pfdotn> rikkib: Do you have any evidence that his ignorance was malicious?
[5:47] <rikkib> I need fist hand contact before I step into the sand box
[5:48] <Gallomimia> like the aversion to github, which i agree with, i also understand someone's desire to ignore you
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[5:48] <rikkib> asb acknolwedged my post on the forum and said he would look into it but when I email him the code he did nothing
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[5:49] <Tachyon`> when I used to release software I'd get anything from 50-150 emails/day most with stupid questions, don't discout the possibility your email was just missed
[5:49] <rikkib> I know he got my email
[5:49] <Gallomimia> alright well perhaps someone could ask him on your behalf why that is
[5:49] <rikkib> I don't ask twice
[5:49] <pfdotn> That's his choice then. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that you tried contributing an entire codeset to him as opposed to a patch against his original code.
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[5:51] <pfdotn> At the end of the day, if you're seriously wanting to help then you should either contribute to an existing project or establish your own. It sounds to me that you've chosen the second of those two choices, so why don't you take the high road and stop complaining about a project you've got no affilliation with?
[5:51] <shiftplusone> So ahmm... how about those current events, ey?
[5:52] <pfdotn> Even worse, not only do you not have any affilliation there, but you've got no desire to change that.
[5:52] <rikkib> Whatever... I am not going to chase my own but trying to get someone else to do the right thing
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[5:54] <Gallomimia> seems we have the attitude that contributing to an open sourced project is like some kind of job, where everyone is obligated to work with everyone else. it's not. everyone needs to use a lot of diplomacy to ensure the community has synergy
[5:54] <pfdotn> But thank you for taking your ego for a walk. I've enjoyed the distraction today. Good day to you.
[5:54] <rikkib> np
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[5:55] <risc> kind of cold in here
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[5:55] <s5fs> yeah, so i'm messing around with building images using angstrom
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[5:55] <shiftplusone> s5fs, hey, that's a change of subject!... how's that working out?
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[5:56] <s5fs> finally got my stupid sdcard partitioned properly, that was way overly complicated. fdisk is a hassle sometimes.
[5:56] <Gallomimia> i appreciate the pride and the posture, but it's too much. FOSS is about something that's bigger than each of us, and that demands humility and community. alas, you have no sense of either rikkib
[5:56] <Gallomimia> yeah. anyone here used an ipod/iphone charger as a powersupply? it's not that great!
[5:56] <shiftplusone> s5fs, do you mean angstrom or openembedded in general?
[5:56] <pfdotn> s5fs: fdisk is evil.
[5:56] <s5fs> shiftplusone: angstrom proper
[5:57] <pfdotn> Gallomimia: Something about the charger adjusting the voltage on the fly?
[5:57] <shiftplusone> Gallomimia, are you sure it's a proper apple charger and not a fake?
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[5:57] <Gallomimia> yes. came with an ipod
[5:57] <Tachyon`> if it were a proper one it wouldn't fit
[5:57] <shiftplusone> s5fs, but that's built using OE, isn't it? I haven't had much luck with OE myself =/
[5:58] <rikkib> You are entitled to your opinion even if it may be wrong with regard to my attitude... My attitude comes from what I was face with at the time. A broadcom employee with an attitude.
[5:58] <s5fs> shiftplusone: yeah, it's all oe underneath, correct. you been looking at the yocto project at all?
[5:58] <Gallomimia> at any rate it's still undervolting my system. but at least it's better than the usb port on the back of my NAS.
[5:58] <s5fs> we're using angstrom at work, so thats why i'm investing time. yocto has better docs.
[5:58] <Gallomimia> also it was really suffering when my iphone was plugged into the powered USB HUB
[5:58] <Tachyon`> Gallomimia:, I found 2A samsung phone supplies, available from amazon for about a fiver work very well
[5:59] <shiftplusone> s5fs, the name rings a bell, but I have no idea what yocto is. Checking the site, it feels like i've been there before.
[5:59] <Zarek_> i'm using the USB port on my router to power mine
[5:59] <Gallomimia> noway really/
[5:59] <Gallomimia> i'm ordering ten of those
[5:59] <Tachyon`> don't be bloody sarcastic, you're the one tryign to hammer a square peg into a round hole
[5:59] <Gallomimia> yocto. after terra, peta, exa
[6:00] <s5fs> shiftplusone: i'm brand new to angstrom/oe and its a bit of a steep learning curve. esp with the lack of solid documentation, it's hard to trust something from 2010 these days, you know?
[6:00] <Gallomimia> not being sarcastic. that's a great price. i want a pile of them!
[6:00] <Gallomimia> ten is an exaggeration. i might order 3-4
[6:00] <shiftplusone> s5fs, when I tried there were some bugs and things didn't work like they should've, but I found their IRC channel pretty willing to help.
[6:01] <s5fs> Gallomimia: buy 10, make him look like an asshole
[6:01] <s5fs> ;-)
[6:01] <Tachyon`> ahh
[6:01] <Gallomimia> haha. that's overkill for sure
[6:01] <Tachyon`> unfortunately they onyl seem to have one left
[6:01] <Tachyon`> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0065JCIPU/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00
[6:01] <Tachyon`> that's the oen I bought
[6:01] <Gallomimia> WHAT??
[6:01] <Tachyon`> but it is just a note psu
[6:01] <s5fs> shiftplusone: yeah, i've lurked there a bit but i'm still unable to formulate sensible questions, haha! still a lot of reading ahead of me.
[6:01] <Tachyon`> I bought previously a 1A one that didn't work, kept falling under the required voltage uner load
[6:02] <shiftplusone> s5fs, good luck. I hope to revisit it again myself soon.
[6:02] <Gallomimia> oh. not only are they 7 pounds sterling. they're uk plugins too.
[6:02] <Tachyon`> er, well, yes, I'm in the UK, haha
[6:02] <Tachyon`> they were 5 before
[6:02] <Gallomimia> durrrh
[6:02] <Tachyon`> you're american?
[6:02] <Gallomimia> now you really do look like an asshole :(
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[6:03] <Gallomimia> canadian. thank the net i'm not in ahmurricah
[6:03] <Tachyon`> oh right, well I apologise for that insult then -.o
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[6:03] <s5fs> shiftplusone: thanks! i'm fortunate to work with an embedded guy, it's like irl irc.
[6:03] <s5fs> Gallomimia: america's hat!
[6:03] <Gallomimia> hahaha
[6:03] <Gallomimia> too true
[6:04] <Gallomimia> except they wear us on their ass.
[6:04] <shiftplusone> irl irc? You mean... talking to people? D=
[6:04] <Tachyon`> better than wearing you to protect their balls in iraq etc.
[6:04] <s5fs> shiftplusone: yes, but no eye contact of course
[6:04] * Tachyon` shuts up before he injects politics into the channel
[6:04] <shiftplusone> heh
[6:04] <shiftplusone> by the way, watch the language people. >=/
[6:05] <rikkib> Australians getting toasted again
[6:05] <rikkib> New time here in NZ 6pm
[6:05] <rikkib> news
[6:05] * Tachyon` wonders how many kids would be around at 5am in th UK and presumably aout midnight in the US
[6:06] <Tachyon`> to see the odd four letter word
[6:06] <rikkib> Easy enough to show a little self control
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[6:07] <rikkib> I do it here and on the radio... In real life swear with the best
[6:07] <Gallomimia> yeah. crazy forest fires
[6:07] <lars_t_h> rikkib, below you feet 1/2 around Earth you find Denmark, here it is 6 AM
[6:08] <rikkib> half way round is actually Spain
[6:08] <Tachyon`> aye, it still is and always has been a joke, kids do not need protection from swearing because they all swear, just not within earshot of an adult. but fine, I'll comply with the usual wishful thinking
[6:08] <rikkib> Spain Hams come in load and strong here in NZ
[6:08] <Gallomimia> agreed. the very act of censoring words is what makes swearing happen in the first place
[6:09] <lars_t_h> OK, i had not done calculations by using coordinates
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[6:09] <Gallomimia> but... that being said, and on the not-quite-open-sourced subject of the broadcom cpu again, everyone grows at their own rate.
[6:09] <shiftplusone> From my perspective, this isn't for the benefit of the children themselves, but their parents. But, other mods may have other views on this.
[6:09] <Gallomimia> heh
[6:09] <Gallomimia> oldskewl hey?
[6:10] <Gallomimia> anyway, searching amazon has turned up an amazon branded PSU. 2.1A
[6:10] <Gallomimia> anyone seen results for this power and pi?
[6:10] <rikkib> Denmark is rather hard to talk to... Sometimes a path exists over Japan and Siberia
[6:10] <Tachyon`> it should be fine if it's a proper 5v syooly, link?
[6:10] <Gallomimia> http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Wall-Charger-Outlet-Output/dp/B005CG2ATQ/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1357707864&sr=8-13&keywords=samsung+power
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[6:11] <Gallomimia> syooly? not sure i know that kind of pom slang
[6:11] <Tachyon`> it looks okay
[6:11] <Tachyon`> doesn't say it's regulated
[6:11] <Tachyon`> supply
[6:11] <Tachyon`> no, it's a pom tryign to type at 5am
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[6:11] <Gallomimia> not enough tea eh/
[6:11] <Tachyon`> I mostly drink coffee
[6:12] <Gallomimia> ;) sorry. had to
[6:12] <Tachyon`> oh, there's tea in like every other household in britain
[6:12] <lars_t_h> Gallomimia, I am using a 2,5 A. +% volt PSU, works fine, and is also a bit expensive, approx 120 DKK (approx USD $20)
[6:12] <Tachyon`> it's just more for others ;p
[6:12] <lars_t_h> *s/+%/+5
[6:12] <Gallomimia> as an electrician, i took great interest in the unique problem britain has at the end of east-enders when a third of the country puts on their electric kettle at the exact same moment
[6:12] <Tachyon`> argh
[6:12] <Tachyon`> I hate eastenders
[6:13] <Tachyon`> and that sort of thing isn't the issue it was when we had only 3 or 4 channels
[6:13] <Gallomimia> i've had trouble understanding the draw myself. but my uncle watches it here and canook-land
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[6:13] <Tachyon`> I won't buy a tv license as I'd be funding the production of that load of tripe
[6:13] <s5fs> tv license?
[6:13] <Tachyon`> yeah, in the UK if you want to watch broadcast tv you must buy a license
[6:14] <Tachyon`> for??150/year
[6:14] <s5fs> over-the-air tv?
[6:14] <Gallomimia> the point is it ends precisely at tea time. and apparently it ran 2 minutes long one day and caused major headaches for the power companies
[6:14] <Tachyon`> yes, if you're watching tv as it's being broadcast (IE: not that someoen else has videoed and not online) then you have to pay the license fee
[6:14] <Tachyon`> http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/
[6:14] <s5fs> funky
[6:15] <Gallomimia> trying to buy power from france and fire up all the hydro dams at the right moment to handle that sudden load. no where else in the world is there that kind of nearly predictable and daily spike in power grid usage
[6:15] <Tachyon`> this fee funds only the BBC
[6:15] <s5fs> i only pay for netflix and stuff
[6:15] <rikkib> http://122.61.65.146:8081 One of my test cams. Best viewed with vlc.
[6:15] <Tachyon`> but if you don't watch the BBC you have to pay still
[6:15] <s5fs> Tachyon`: i assume the fee is rolled into monthly cable service?
[6:15] <Gallomimia> Tachyon` that's fabulous news!
[6:15] <Tachyon`> no
[6:15] <Gallomimia> i love it
[6:15] <Tachyon`> it's in additionon to that fee
[6:15] <s5fs> oh good grief
[6:15] <Gallomimia> it will only serve to drive customers away from broadcast tv. fabulous!
[6:15] <Tachyon`> I don't pay it as I don't watch TV, I just download it on bittorrent
[6:15] <s5fs> in the US they hide all taxes and stuff in the monthly bill
[6:15] <Tachyon`> which actualyl doesn't require a license
[6:16] <Gallomimia> i do that and it has nothing to do with the cable bill, license fees, or any of that traash
[6:16] <Tachyon`> I only really watch a fe things anyway, NCIS, Warehouse 13, big bang theory
[6:16] <Gallomimia> it represents freedom for me. choice in what i watch, and when i watch it.
[6:16] <Tachyon`> well, yes, that's clearly an advantage too
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[6:17] <Gallomimia> with cable, you have to live by their schedule, and are forced to view the ads too. like food additives
[6:17] <Tachyon`> yeah, no ads on torrents usually
[6:17] <s5fs> i don't torrent, only use for-pay services
[6:17] <Gallomimia> i even download my youtube files for the same reason
[6:17] <s5fs> i want to see a shift in the industry so i have to vote with my dollar
[6:17] <Tachyon`> yes well, if they ever produce a pay system I can get my episodes from as quickly and that charges reasonable fees I'll pay
[6:17] <Tachyon`> I'm still waiting
[6:18] <s5fs> Tachyon`: what's reasonable?
[6:18] <dr_willis> free ;)
[6:18] <Gallomimia> s5fs: i like the for-pay services. but i'm against streaming with no option to keep and replay. it seems very wasteful to the number one resource in the information age: network/server capacity
[6:18] <Tachyon`> well, less than a pound for an episode ideally
[6:18] <Tachyon`> and not 3 quid or w/e
[6:18] <Tachyon`> so i end up paying more than the DVDs cost to wach online
[6:18] <s5fs> for myself, $1.99/episode is too much.
[6:18] <Gallomimia> per episode!? gross
[6:18] <s5fs> or $14.99 a season
[6:18] <Gallomimia> monthly fees are better
[6:18] <s5fs> these are amazon prices
[6:18] <Tachyon`> yeah,??1 is about $1.60, I'd prefer something a little under that
[6:18] <Tachyon`> $15/season would be okay
[6:19] <Gallomimia> 5 would be better
[6:19] <Tachyon`> also, no drm otherwise I can't use my pi to play it
[6:19] <Tachyon`> (and my phone when out)
[6:19] <Gallomimia> for some reason i'm insanely drawn to the "unlimited" fee services
[6:19] <s5fs> $5 is reasonable considering, if I like it, I'll probably end up purchasing it a few more times for various devices.
[6:19] <Gallomimia> no drm because i don't like drm :P
[6:19] <Tachyon`> you should only have to purchase an item once and it should work on all devices
[6:19] <s5fs> *should*
[6:20] <Tachyon`> if it doesn't it's broken as designed and should be avoided imho
[6:20] <s5fs> yup, drm is broken, sucks
[6:20] <Gallomimia> for example, i pay for skype unlimited monthly, even though i usually only use about 50 cents worth per month. just cause i can't live under the per usage system with my frugality playing its part.
[6:21] <Tachyon`> ah, skype, I really should get that setup again
[6:21] <Gallomimia> drm information: www.craphound.com/content/download/
[6:21] <Tachyon`> my kindle books are infested with DRM
[6:21] <Gallomimia> this is a "book" called content. it's really a collection of speeches and columns on the subject of copyright.
[6:21] <Tachyon`> and some woman had all her books stolen
[6:21] <Tachyon`> amazon just yanked her account with all her purchases
[6:21] <Tachyon`> and refused to say why
[6:21] <Gallomimia> the author of the book called content gives away all his books online for free. to get paper books, have to pay
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[6:22] <s5fs> Gallomimia: while i agree in principal with the subscription model, you're getting more than bandwidth, you're also licensing the content for a period of time. that does have value.
[6:22] <Gallomimia> with netflix, it's a monthly fee to watch whatever. and it's a good deal it seems
[6:22] <s5fs> Tachyon`: yeah, that kind of thing worries me, for sure
[6:23] <Gallomimia> but i just don't like the download-once concept. i'm a bandwidth whore. and i'm a file hoarder
[6:23] <dr_willis> netflix would work better for me if i could 'cache/download' shows to my phone for when i have no connection
[6:23] <dr_willis> or a slow connection
[6:23] <s5fs> dr_willis: yeah, that's a great point, but drm again
[6:23] <Gallomimia> or if i watch something and then want to show my friend the next day
[6:24] <rikkib> The new Rainbow Warrior is in NZ.
[6:24] <Tachyon`> ah, I tried netflix, while better than lovefilm I didn't get on with it
[6:24] <Tachyon`> lovefilm are just liars
[6:24] <dr_willis> s5fs: drm dosent matter if im able to watch it on the device i want to watch it on.
[6:24] <Tachyon`> they said only new content would require additional fees, then tried to charge them on a lot of old stuff, including a clockwork orange which is older than I am
[6:24] <dr_willis> there was some netflix type service that had the cache/download feature. but i forget its name
[6:25] <rikkib> Been on the old Rainbow Warrior a few times.
[6:25] <Tachyon`> the greenpeace ship?
[6:25] <rikkib> yep
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[6:25] <Tachyon`> sea shepherd seem to be doing more these days
[6:25] <rikkib> Used to help them with logistics and other things
[6:25] <Tachyon`> at least as far as the whales go
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[6:26] <rikkib> Dropped off some people with a big chain one day... They chained a ship to the dock in typical green peace style
[6:27] <Gallomimia> wicked
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[6:27] <Gallomimia> i can just imagine you driving off after having unloaded that "you kids have fun now"
[6:27] <s5fs> 'wheres alice?'
[6:27] <s5fs> (bad taxi driver jokes)
[6:28] <s5fs> s'ok, i'll laugh by myself
[6:28] <rikkib> I worked in the Trade Union movement for a while
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[6:28] <Tachyon`> ahh, unions, we used to have those here pre thatcher
[6:28] <Tachyon`> evil woman, heh, and our current leader seems to worship her -.-
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[6:29] <Gallomimia> please. this is really not the channel to discuss "democracy" such as it is
[6:29] <rikkib> Also involved in filling up a sewage pumping station yet to be commissioned with rocks and a concrete cap
[6:29] <Gallomimia> hah
[6:29] <Tachyon`> have you heard of fracking?
[6:30] <Tachyon`> they're starting that here now, it's been aprpoved
[6:30] <Gallomimia> uhm.... yeah
[6:30] <Gallomimia> i live in the middle of it.
[6:30] <Tachyon`> despite the initial trials causing earthquakes
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[6:30] <rikkib> That landed two of the main people in jail for two years
[6:30] <risc> yeah they do that on Battlestar Galactica :P
[6:30] * risc fracking runs
[6:30] <Tachyon`> lol
[6:30] <Gallomimia> fracking in the UK?
[6:30] <Tachyon`> yes, unfortunately
[6:30] <Gallomimia> didn't know there was gas there
[6:30] <Gallomimia> i live in central BC
[6:30] <Tachyon`> yeah, we have gas, and oil, heh
[6:30] <Gallomimia> the north half of the province is a giant gas field. there's nothing but fracking around here
[6:31] <Gallomimia> field is bigger than the UK
[6:31] <Tachyon`> but fracking is several kinds of stupid and has unforseen consequences
[6:31] <Tachyon`> but heh, it's all about money
[6:31] <Gallomimia> they say methane is a green fuel but
[6:31] <Tachyon`> let's not reduce our dependence on fossil fuels or anything
[6:31] <Gallomimia> it's 14x as greenhouse as co2 and fracking just spills tons of it into the atmosphere
[6:31] <Gallomimia> not to mention the water supply
[6:32] <Tachyon`> yes, I've heard in some places people can ignite the water as it comes from the tap
[6:32] <Tachyon`> the contamination is that severe
[6:32] <Gallomimia> yep. seen some video of that
[6:32] <Gallomimia> looks pretty "fracking" cool
[6:32] <Gallomimia> wouldn't want to drink it
[6:33] <Tachyon`> don't want it here, they're planning it nearby, it looks like they'll be invited fairly directly to go elsewhere though as soon as they start setting up, heh
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[6:33] <rikkib> They have allowed it here
[6:34] <Tachyon`> oh, the government have allowed it here, the locals are likely to object though
[6:35] <rikkib> Bowie new single in ten years... Not sure why he has bothered.
[6:35] <Tachyon`> http://www.schnews.org.uk/stories/OUT-OF-THEIR-FRACKING-MINDS/
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[6:36] <Tachyon`> that's how the situation was dec 1
[6:37] <rikkib> Food
[6:37] <rikkib> Sausages, eggs and chips
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[6:46] <Gallomimia> whoa. what happened to my swap file. i made it way bigger and now it's back to what it used to be
[6:47] <Gallomimia> but it's not where it should be :O
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[6:52] <dr_willis> magic?
[6:53] <risc> gremlins?
[6:53] <risc> you spill any water on a mogwai lately
[6:53] <dr_willis> Keebler elves
[6:54] <risc> right, finally home time... have fun all
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[7:13] <rikkib> swap is created on a ramfs I think
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[7:16] <rikkib> maybe I am wrong... Swap file is located in /var/swap
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[7:34] <Gallomimia> yeah rikkb i was looking in /run instead :P silly me
[7:34] <Gallomimia> bad amount of sleep lately
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[7:43] <rikkib> RPi uses the old method to mount a swap file... Now days most use a swap partition.
[7:44] <rikkib> Not sure why RPi uses this method... Maybe something to do with images.
[7:45] <Gallomimia> meh. it seems prevalent in the OS's on my vps's
[7:45] <Gallomimia> yeah. that's likely
[7:45] <Gallomimia> trying to remember how i set the swap to mount on boot on my ubuntu system
[7:46] <rikkib> The default Debian 6 install creates a 1gb swap file
[7:46] <rikkib> mkswap
[7:46] <Gallomimia> yeah not on my VPS
[7:46] <Gallomimia> mkswap makes it mount on boot?
[7:46] <rikkib> seems to ring a bell
[7:47] <rikkib> fstab
[7:47] <rikkib> Hang on
[7:47] <Gallomimia> i thought that serialized the thing
[7:47] <Gallomimia> yeah fstab is niggling my memory
[7:47] <Gallomimia> i'm going to look
[7:48] <rikkib> UUID=a42a98d6-a4fb-4b4a-82a5-afcde6308da4 none swap sw 0 0
[7:48] <Gallomimia> huh. where did that come from
[7:48] <rikkib> create swap part using fdisk
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[7:49] <Gallomimia> really don't feel like doing partitions on a virtual system with a virtual disk :(
[7:49] <rikkib> mkswap to make the swap file on the swap part
[7:50] <Gallomimia> oh the only thing with uuid's in my fstab are /boot and /proc
[7:50] <Gallomimia> and maybe /? there's only 2 uuid's. which goes for what
[7:50] <rikkib> and mount in fstab as shown with the UUID
[7:51] <rikkib> Been a long time since I made a swap manually
[7:51] <rikkib> In the olden days when cpu's were made of wood you had to do it all manually
[7:52] <Gallomimia> well the provider doesn't really like swap, and sells an upgrade to SSD for such a purpose
[7:52] <Gallomimia> i still don't want my programs swapping, but the alternative to having no swap is to have the program terminate in the middle of a live client rich environment
[7:53] <Gallomimia> when/if it runs out of mem
[7:53] <Gallomimia> it's gameservers. that's ridiculously unacceptable :P
[7:53] <Gallomimia> not something trivial like banking databases or stock trading
[7:53] <rikkib> I will be investigating things like swap and nfs for the RPi in the next few days. I just got a machine to set up with the test cam I have running
[7:55] <rikkib> Want to drop down to a 2gb sd card with just the boot partition.
[7:55] <Gallomimia> why less sized card?
[7:55] <Gallomimia> speed?
[7:55] <rikkib> boot just loads to ram
[7:55] <rikkib> so not a speed issue
[7:56] <rikkib> preserve sd card
[7:56] <rikkib> by using fs on another machine
[7:56] <Gallomimia> more than one pi on a shared /bin etc mount?
[7:56] <Gallomimia> oh.
[7:57] <Gallomimia> that seems.... fruitless. cards are worth 5 dollars
[7:57] <rikkib> Very tricky to do that
[7:57] <rikkib> you need separation for some things
[7:57] <Gallomimia> i meant all the important things in root
[7:58] <rikkib> A fail is still a fail
[7:58] <Gallomimia> gonna lock it up in a closet and forget about it?
[7:58] <rikkib> There is plenty to find with a google search, Not all is correct
[7:59] <rikkib> Sort of
[7:59] <Gallomimia> maybe you should /nick to Riddle
[7:59] <rikkib> Security app
[7:59] <Gallomimia> ah. so you want it to last
[7:59] <piney> i wonder if you can boot from the sd card, then switch it to mount something else, or what's preventing that from happening. (with the OS on a USB drive)
[7:59] <rikkib> Just when you need it the card fails sort of thing
[8:00] <Gallomimia> i'm mostly interested in pi's in an environment where they are either checked daily for faults, or where they are the only useful device nearby
[8:00] <rikkib> Got a lesson although a different problem
[8:00] <Gallomimia> so, it's far less interesting to me to have the card preserved
[8:00] <rikkib> Crimes in at the test cam site on Sunday
[8:00] <rikkib> The cam failed on Sat when the client was playing with alignment
[8:01] <rikkib> I think his wife turned the power off to the hub on Saturday
[8:01] <rikkib> Or something like that
[8:02] <rikkib> I went up there today to see if had captured the activity on Sunday but no such luck
[8:02] <Gallomimia> and
[8:02] <rikkib> It did capture an intruder on Christmas day
[8:02] <Gallomimia> oh. crime reported. fault found afterward
[8:03] <Gallomimia> just camera? or is there some triggers attached via GPIO?
[8:03] <rikkib> The client walked into a person in his enclosed yard on Sunday
[8:03] <rikkib> Waiting for a PIR to do that
[8:03] <rikkib> Just cam
[8:04] <rikkib> and it has issues
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[8:04] <rikkib> trucks on road out front
[8:04] <Gallomimia> i've heard of people selling USB cams that plug into computers
[8:04] <rikkib> so had to lower the cam down to just capture the yard
[8:04] <Gallomimia> they sold full sized tower comps to babysit those.
[8:04] <Gallomimia> yes, i imagine your video cap software isn't optimized for the hardfloat
[8:05] <rikkib> Cam systems are expensive
[8:05] <piney> rikkib, any software out there to mask certain sections of the picture for motion?
[8:05] <rikkib> motion can do that
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[8:05] <rikkib> You take a pic and mask it and make the mask available to motion
[8:06] <piney> have you tried that so the truck traffic doesn't affect it?
[8:06] <rikkib> I am using soft float kernel
[8:06] <rikkib> Current kernel has a bug that makes it unusable
[8:07] <rikkib> for motion
[8:07] <rikkib> and other vid s/w
[8:07] <piney> i'm going to be playing with motion, but no camera yet. still busy with making a weather station, and adding a 16x2 lcd module
[8:07] <piney> ahh
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[8:08] <piney> that's a bummer
[8:08] <rikkib> So the idea behind the RPi cams I am running is to reduce this machine cost down to $100NZD per cam
[8:08] <rikkib> But it still needs a file server/web server
[8:09] <piney> nvr
[8:09] <piney> network video recorder
[8:09] <Gallomimia> true. however what home/business desiring security cameras doesn't have a system capable of serving that purpose just laying around?
[8:09] <rikkib> My client is one of the largest pc recycle companies here.
[8:10] <Gallomimia> PFFF
[8:10] <Gallomimia> grab any machine off the shelf. add terabyte drive. plug in.
[8:10] <rikkib> I just grabbed a 3ghz pentium to load up with Linux to act as the vcr
[8:10] <Gallomimia> probably has enough drive space already
[8:11] <piney> video eats space fast
[8:11] <rikkib> This machine has 80gb but that will be just for OS... Will add more ram and more sata once I load it up
[8:11] <rikkib> Only 512mb atm
[8:11] <piney> 16 camera system, low resolution will fill a 1tb drive in 2-3 weeks
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[8:12] <Gallomimia> are those feeds compressed?
[8:12] <piney> yes
[8:12] <Gallomimia> damn.
[8:13] <Gallomimia> pretty hefty. still.... 15 days of footage is still a lot
[8:13] <SpeedEvil> hence the need for motion
[8:13] <Gallomimia> yeah
[8:13] <Gallomimia> what would be even better is highlighting lots of motion but still saving the few frames that inevitably happen with a little motion
[8:13] <piney> what can help get better record time is recording cameras at the lowest res possible, and if they see motion bump up the resolution for a few seconds before the motion
[8:13] <piney> yea, frame rate too
[8:13] <Gallomimia> hmmmm
[8:14] <Gallomimia> neat
[8:14] <rikkib> My focus is no closed hours of a business
[8:14] <rikkib> on
[8:14] <rikkib> So caps only on movement and only after hours
[8:14] <piney> typical features of camera systems
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[8:14] <SpeedEvil> pir lights can help
[8:14] <SpeedEvil> ad they can act as defacto triggers
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[8:15] <rikkib> Hmm that is a good idea
[8:17] <rikkib> I will get one of these when I get a round2it
[8:17] <rikkib> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=548614211
[8:17] <piney> 2 more rpi's should arrive here tomorrow. my first 512mb one
[8:18] * rikkib has 4 512 and 2 256 and not enough cards to make them all go yet... My supplier seems to be dragging the chain with my order
[8:18] <rymate1234> lol
[8:18] <piney> rikkib, plan on using them indoors or outdoors?
[8:19] <piney> the pir's
[8:19] <rikkib> zlham.geek.nz Yes outdoors as well as indoors
[8:19] <rikkib> pic of the outdoor unit is on zlham
[8:20] <piney> probably going to trigger on you with wind
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[8:20] <rikkib> The cam is sitting on the window sill behind me
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[8:20] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
[8:21] <rikkib> The number in the top right
[8:21] <rikkib> changed pixels
[8:22] <rikkib> So motion will not work therefor I will test a PIR
[8:23] <piney> those relays, are they the 5v trigger ones?
[8:23] <rikkib> motion sensing I mean rather than the motion package
[8:23] <rikkib> yep 5v 480mA all on
[8:23] <piney> triggering them direct from the gpio? or buffering them
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[8:24] <piney> ahh, i see the transistors now
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[8:24] <piney> looked like a bridge rectifier at first to me
[8:24] <rikkib> That one has a 2N2222 buffer as they are high side switched with pnp
[8:24] <piney> all 4 lined up like that
[8:26] <rikkib> There are better relays available with low side npn switching
[8:26] <piney> I have some plexiglass i plan on cutting within the next week to mount my new rpi on with the power supply board and a few breadboards. it's too ugly and not easy to move around the way it is on my desk atm
[8:26] <rikkib> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5V-12V-or-24V-4-Channel-Relay-Module-Unit-30MM-cables/632669677.html
[8:27] <rikkib> I will get some of these ones when I get one of those round2its
[8:27] <rikkib> I put them in ali cases that I make myself
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[8:28] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/
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[8:29] <risc> evening all
[8:29] <rikkib> there are images of my cases in that dir
[8:29] <piney> i have quite a few enclosures around, nothing for outdoor use though. and don't plan on needing it
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[8:29] <rikkib> look for things names rpi
[8:29] <rikkib> pics
[8:29] <Gallomimia> hey you guys know much about getting usb audio input working on raspbian/
[8:29] <piney> i like that aluminum one
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[8:30] <rikkib> Easy enough to make with a file and drill
[8:30] <rikkib> Jigsaw
[8:30] <rikkib> electric
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[8:30] <piney> yea, looke like it
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[8:31] <piney> 2 pieces of right angle rivited on, and just flat stock bent
[8:31] <rikkib> For EMI they really should be mounted in metal case
[8:31] <piney> i agree
[8:32] <rikkib> The case is made of U section and right angle rails for mounting/holding top on
[8:33] <piney> ahh, ok
[8:33] <rikkib> U section is 82mm wide
[8:34] <rikkib> amd 26mm high
[8:34] <piney> what do you use to secure the pi in the case?
[8:35] <rikkib> I am also using U section of 111mm by 26mm
[8:35] <rikkib> To make bigger cases to hold the relays as well and hiding the sd card inside
[8:35] <piney> just noticed the slot for the sd card too
[8:36] <rikkib> I use the top of the case to hold the RPi in place
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[8:37] <rikkib> It is hard to see how I do it but the slot for the usb sets the hieght
[8:37] <piney> ahh, that makes sense
[8:37] <rikkib> The sd card holds the back of the RPi in place
[8:37] <piney> keeps it off the bottom, that and the sd card
[8:38] <rikkib> I put a insulation material underneath
[8:38] <piney> good idea
[8:38] <rikkib> Although that is just a precation
[8:38] <rikkib> The sd card socket provides the gap needed
[8:39] <rikkib> at the back
[8:39] <piney> yea
[8:39] <rikkib> the usb the height at the front
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[8:39] <piney> i think im going to build one of them, and glue a breadboard to the top of it.
[8:40] <piney> don't see why i would need to get in the case if i did that
[8:40] <piney> just make a slot for the ribbon cable
[8:42] <rikkib> I also have stm32v boards that I want to use with the RPi and they need cases as well
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[8:42] <piney> im mounting one in my basement where the phone and cable lines come in the house, and electric panel and alarm system is. small utility room on a piece of plywood there. thats the perfect case for that
[8:42] <rikkib> Yep
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[8:43] <piney> no stm32 here yet, a msp430 launchpad and atmega chips though that i'll get to connecting to the pi
[8:43] <rikkib> I have one with one of those cases mounted in a bigger plastic box.
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[8:44] <rikkib> It is at another clients place phoning home (my web server) to test his adsl connectivity...
[8:45] <rikkib> It is shocking with the adsl dropping out several times a day sometimes for up to an hour
[8:45] <piney> line quality i would guess
[8:46] <rikkib> Exchange needs an upgrade
[8:46] <piney> mine used to go out in the summer when it was damp before they abandoned parts of the old underground wire
[8:46] <rikkib> Nothing to do with his line
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[8:46] <rikkib> He works for Gen-I a NZ Telecom company
[8:47] <rikkib> All the equipment is Telecom supplied
[8:47] <Datalink> if I have to pull a debian package (due to not existing in Rasbian repo) should I go for the armhf builds?
[8:47] <rikkib> including the corporate laptop he wirks from
[8:47] <rikkib> works
[8:47] <rikkib> Senior project manager Telecom NZ
[8:48] <piney> Datalink, i'm wondering why it's not in the raspbian repo if it's in debian
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[8:48] <rikkib> Could not get a better example of poor quility adsl in NZ
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[8:48] <Datalink> I donno, trying to install TF5 and it's throwing a few errors, hang on, I'll pastebin
[8:49] <piney> rikkib, thats kinda funny
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[8:50] <rikkib> I lives 15 minutes from Auckland city
[8:51] <rikkib> The outskirts of Auckland city to be more exact
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[8:51] <rikkib> On a lifestyle block.... Rural
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[8:52] <rikkib> Datalink, Use the source young Luke
[8:52] <piney> my closest neighbor is a mile away, i like rural
[8:52] * rikkib lives in small town NZ... Ngatea if you wish to google it
[8:53] <rikkib> Na Te a if you have trouble saying it as more non New Zealanders do
[8:54] <rikkib> most
[8:54] <piney> nice, that is small
[8:54] <piney> don't blink driving small
[8:55] <rikkib> I don't bother telling people on the Ham radio the name as they just can't say it... I just say 60km south east of Ak city
[8:55] <piney> im in a town on about 36,000 people in NJ US
[8:56] <piney> of*
[8:56] <rikkib> Maybe 2k in the town maybe a few more in the rural area
[8:56] <rikkib> haha 36K is a city here
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[8:57] <rikkib> Mind you a mil or so in Auckland city
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[8:57] <rikkib> Total pop just hit aroud 4 mil recently
[8:58] <rikkib> Hmm darkness has hit my web cam here.
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[8:58] <rikkib> To much filter
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[8:59] <rikkib> I can still see outside and the cam is the city which has no filtering is still working
[9:00] <rikkib> Wed Jan 9 21:00:24 NZDT 2013
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[9:00] <piney> i gotta head to bed, 3am here
[9:00] <rikkib> Night
[9:00] <Datalink-M> I need to set up a camera sometime
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[9:08] <Macer> hm
[9:08] <Macer> is xbmc the only type of media player distro out there?
[9:08] <Macer> ie: oe, raspbmc, etc?
[9:08] <Macer> is there anything else?
[9:09] <yehnan> the webpage of http://www.raspberrypi.com.tw/ is pretty similiar to rpi foundation website. But I think it's backed up by element14. Am I right?
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[9:11] <rikkib> Not sure what is going on with element 14... The RPi that I get here from RS and E14 have made in china on them
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[9:12] <Xark> rikkib: Is it 512MB?
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[9:13] <rikkib> Yes... I have 4 512 2 from RS and 2 from E14
[9:14] <rikkib> Supply issues are documented here. http://www.zlham.geek.nz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=240&mode=&order=0&thold=0
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[9:17] <TeraX> Good morning
[9:17] <rikkib> My RS RPi came in this pretty pink box http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
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[9:18] <rikkib> 73
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[9:21] <yehnan> rikkib: what date did you get?
[9:22] <rikkib> Early Dec I think I will check the invoice
[9:22] <yehnan> rikkib: well...strange. :)
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[9:23] <rikkib> 10/12/13
[9:23] <rikkib> For RS
[9:23] <rikkib> A week earlier for E14
[9:24] <rikkib> 23/11/12
[9:24] <rikkib> for e14
[9:24] <rikkib> 10/12/12
[9:24] <rikkib> for RS
[9:24] <yehnan> rikkib: hmm...does it mean that some rpi are manufactured in China?
[9:24] <rikkib> The RS ones were ordered on the 7th month
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[9:25] <rikkib> The E14 ones a few days before supply
[9:26] <rikkib> Under license that existed with the original contract with RS & E14 is my best guess
[9:26] <rikkib> The one the foundation broke
[9:26] <rikkib> To have them made in the UK
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[9:28] <dr_willis> black market pis ? ;)
[9:28] <rikkib> I doubt it
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[9:29] <rikkib> "The Foundation" is probably staying very quiet about contracts that were broken and other such issues
[9:30] <yehnan> rikkib: the url you provied , i can't access...
[9:30] <rikkib> We know it happened and not much else and RS & E14 seem to be just taking it in their stride
[9:31] <rikkib> Hmmm I guess your isp is in my hosts.deny
[9:31] <rikkib> Gine me a minute to check logs
[9:31] <rikkib> Give
[9:33] <rikkib> Try again
[9:33] <rikkib> had 114.42 blocked
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[9:35] <rikkib> Hmm had a few in the 114.42 range blocked
[9:36] <yehnan> rikkib: still 403 forbidden
[9:36] <rikkib> Do you know your ip address?
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[9:37] <yehnan> 114.42.67.227
[9:37] <rikkib> Hmm yep... I have to check apache config
[9:37] <Gallomimia> what? 403 error means permissions on the file are bad and your webserver can't read them
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[9:38] <rikkib> apache 403 on deny in apche config
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[9:38] <rikkib> I use severla methods to block players
[9:38] <rikkib> bad [players
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[9:39] <rikkib> and I can block /8 or less ometimes
[9:39] <rikkib> por do
[9:40] <rikkib> or do
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[9:43] <rikkib> Hmmm can't seem to find what is blocking you
[9:43] <rikkib> Have restarted apache2
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[9:46] <tails-> Hi, does anyone have a pointer to stats for defective raspberry pi's?
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[9:49] <Xark> tails-: There is some discussion of defect rates at the Sony mfgr here -> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2569
[9:49] <rikkib> Sorry I can't seem to find why I am blocking Hinet
[9:50] <rikkib> Have had many issues with that ISP
[9:50] <rikkib> Or where I am blocking it
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[9:54] <yehnan> rikkib: ...well............
[9:54] <tails-> Xark, well, Sony manufactured ones seem to be good quality. But mine appears to be make in China. :(
[9:54] <yehnan> rikkib: i understand.
[9:54] <Xark> tails-: I have two from China that work fine...
[9:54] <rikkib> Bugs me that I can't find what is blocking you...
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[9:55] <tails-> Xark: Do you mind sharing the numbers on the stickers? I'm going to assume it's the batch number...
[9:55] <Xark> tails-: I have one handy (but it was an early batch)...
[9:56] <tails-> Xark: Oh, it's a 512MB revision. I'm just curious because I saw this thread: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=20657&start=100
[9:57] <rikkib> Found it
[9:57] <Xark> tails-: I only have a UK 512MB (and I can't access it in a case). I have a 256MB early one, but not sure what the batch number is...
[9:57] <rikkib> deny from hinet.net in apache virtual hosts file
[9:57] <rikkib> yehnan, Try now
[9:57] <Xark> tails-: FN12055255XX ?
[9:58] <rikkib> Your in
[9:58] <yehnan> rikkib: i see the red box, the other url http://www.zlham.geek.nz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=240&mode=&order=0&thold=0 still forbidden
[9:58] <rikkib> Ahhh will have same config
[9:58] <rikkib> hang on
[9:58] <tails-> Xark: Kk. I'm guessing you didn't get a lemon from the Sony plant. I wonder if I can request a replacement from the UK. ;]
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[9:59] <rikkib> Yep that was the case... My apologies.
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[10:00] <yehnan> rikkib: thanks.
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[10:01] <rikkib> Thanks for letting me know... Was a very old ban virtually at the top of the list
[10:02] <rikkib> Probably a good idea to toss out old blocks and start again
[10:03] <rikkib> Planning upgrade of my hdd soon with the three 120gb drives I am testing/setting up atm
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[10:05] <rikkib> yehnan, Have a facebook friend in TW... Exchange student that stayed with my sister
[10:05] <rikkib> Lamdy Lam
[10:05] <yehnan> rikkib: hi, I went to working holiday in Australia. Well, not been to New Zealand.
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[10:06] <rikkib> NZ better that Aus...
[10:06] <rikkib> haha
[10:07] <yehnan> rikkib: You posted the article http://www.zlham.geek.nz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=240&mode=&order=0&thold=0 ??
[10:07] <rikkib> Yep
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[10:08] <yehnan> rikkib: I heard a lot complaints about RS. However, I got my rpi from RS. Element14 failed me. :)
[10:09] <rikkib> Yeah... Mileage varies
[10:09] <geordie> i've had good results with both
[10:09] <rikkib> I have accounts with both.
[10:10] <rikkib> Really they are dependent on suppliers
[10:10] <rikkib> and the debacle or the broken contract
[10:10] <rikkib> of
[10:11] <rikkib> to manufacture in China which is good for use here in NZ... Not so good supplies coming from the UK
[10:12] <rikkib> My first 256 RPi came from the UK
[10:12] <rikkib> The second supplied by RS NZ
[10:12] <rikkib> 3 & 4 E14 and 5 & 6 rs
[10:13] <rikkib> 3 - 6 512mb rev 2
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[10:13] <rikkib> Have enough for the time beings but have orders for several more cams
[10:14] <dr_willis> no wonder theres a shortage. you took them all... ;)
[10:15] <rikkib> As soon as I get this file server up and running will be installing 4 cams at one of my test site
[10:15] <rikkib> haha
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[10:15] <dr_willis> i only have 2 pis here.
[10:15] <rikkib> Gotta make money you know
[10:16] <dr_willis> i need to track down another monitor for my pi. haveing to share my tv witth too many gadgets
[10:16] <rikkib> But also figuring on looking at anything else that comes along of a similar nature of RPi
[10:17] <dr_willis> got an xios box the other day. its a tidy package. but has some issues.
[10:17] <rikkib> I use wide screen Philips LCD with DVI-D cable
[10:17] <dr_willis> i got a pc monitor with speakere i use for my xbmc pi. but cand find any with speakers lately
[10:18] <dr_willis> wanting to keep things tidy
[10:18] <rikkib> But mostly only for R&D... The Rpi I make are headless
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[10:19] <rikkib> New LCD come with hdmi now
[10:19] <rikkib> My Philips only vga and dvi-
[10:19] <rikkib> d
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[10:21] <rikkib> Have a Philips 180S that has speakers
[10:21] <dr_willis> the differance betweek tv snd pc monitor gets smaller all the time
[10:21] <rikkib> It has dvi-d as well but have not used it with a RPi
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[10:23] <rikkib> I love my wide screen... takes a little getting used to and have to switch it to normal width quite often to view vids
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[10:24] <rikkib> Wed Jan 9 22:23:33 NZDT 2013 Must be time to go to bed soon... Been a long day... Traveled 200 odd km today.
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[10:57] <Macer> uhm
[10:58] <Datalink> ooh, a couple pi hacks on HackADay.com today, a pi powered picture frame used for rail schedules, and a pi used to add airplay to a high end USB amp (I'd consider the same setup good for other stuff like Pandora myself, but that's me
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[11:08] <Number5> Hello guys, I managed to crosscompile a 'Hello World' C++ file on a Linux virtual machine for RPi. My next step was to try to compile a simple BOOST example which has just one simple header file named lambda.hpp. But that results in a huge error messages I don't want to understand. Clearly simply compiling a BOOST file (NOT A LIB) is not that straightforward, any ideas?
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[11:15] <equivoc> hi
[11:16] <equivoc> i've got a Pi (Model A) and after a few minutes it halts. I have not overclocked it.
[11:17] <equivoc> after ca. 10minutes
[11:17] <equivoc> any hints?
[11:17] <TAFB> check your TP1-TP2 voltage
[11:17] <TAFB> http://elinux.org/File:RPI_Test_Points.JPG
[11:18] <equivoc> oh, I have no voltage meter yet :D
[11:18] <equivoc> I think i need one now
[11:18] <equivoc> or a new Pi
[11:18] <equivoc> model B these days
[11:18] <TAFB> it's usually caused by crappy microUSB cables, under powered USB supply, etc.
[11:19] <mjr> yeah, try another supply/cable
[11:19] <equivoc> oh
[11:19] <TAFB> you can get a nice multimeter for under $10 shipped on AliExpress (if you can wait a month for it)
[11:19] <equivoc> I see
[11:19] <equivoc> great, I will try a better supply cable
[11:20] <TAFB> try all the different cables you can find, the thicker the better, the Pi needs a super good quality cable
[11:20] <TAFB> what are you using for the USB supply? you know you can't power it with a computer/laptop right?
[11:20] <equivoc> thanks a lot guys :-)
[11:20] <equivoc> hoh
[11:20] <equivoc> hmm
[11:20] <equivoc> I didn't know :D
[11:20] <equivoc> now I do
[11:20] <equivoc> *doh*
[11:21] <TAFB> laptop/desktop ports only put out 500ma, you need at least 700ma to run the Pi (like a cell phone USBb charger, etc.)
[11:21] <mjr> well, you can with some, but it's emphatically not guaranteed
[11:21] <mjr> for that reason
[11:21] <equivoc> I see
[11:21] <mjr> if you have an usb3 port to try it's more likely to give out enough power
[11:22] <equivoc> no, just usb2 around
[11:22] <equivoc> i will try with a better cable and extra usb charger
[11:22] <equivoc> the apple one for the iphone should do the job?
[11:23] <TAFB> apple ones work great
[11:23] <equivoc> nice
[11:23] <Datalink> equivoc, the apple one is considered one of the prefered, I use a different one with 2 outlets, and run my Pi and other equipment on that charger (2 amp rating, I charge my phone with it without affecting the Pi)
[11:23] <equivoc> i tried openelec the other day, and it works like a charm
[11:23] <mjr> you can try the same cable with a proper power supply, it's not likely to be the culprit
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[11:24] <equivoc> Datalink: sounds good
[11:24] <equivoc> what distros are you running on the pi?
[11:24] <equivoc> anyone with android?
[11:24] <mjr> last I checked androids are a bit of a work in progress
[11:25] <equivoc> i habe 2 sd cards: one with the official from raspi and openelec
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[11:25] <Datalink> I use Rasbian, I have spare SD cards with ReactOS and Plan 9 for various goofing off, but I haven't set up an Android SD card yet
[11:25] <equivoc> aha
[11:25] <equivoc> good to hear
[11:25] <Datalink> my Pi's my printserver when I'm not doing experiments with it, also use it for youtube and as my main SSH nexus to my other boxen
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[11:26] <Datalink> I also recently set it up with MOSH, a SSH extension by MIT which transfers the session to an encrypted UDP system, makes moving around with my phone a dream
[11:27] <mjr> mosh is nifty, hopefully it's secure too ;]
[11:27] <Datalink> it is, the shared secrets are exchanged in SSH, then handed over to MOSH for the interaction
[11:28] <Datalink> I had read up on it before installing the MOSH modded connectbox apk onto my phone
[11:28] <mjr> it still provides an additional potential vulnerability surface for session hijack
[11:29] <mjr> not that they haven't done their best to make it secure, sure
[11:29] <Datalink> yeah, but I'm not doing anything sensitive over it... the most vulnerable thing you can do is have a dead session due to app crash, then you just gotta kill the old MOSH shell
[11:30] <Datalink> point of failure's my phone, not the route, as my phone's got most of my logins, though I have exchange through school so I can remote wipe if I loose the thing
[11:30] <mjr> and I do use it too, it's just a bit newer and less tested than ssh (which has had its share of vulnerabilities)
[11:32] <Datalink> yeah, SSH is battle hardened, compared to it, but it wasn't made in a vacuum, so I'm not too worried
[11:33] <Datalink> again, I'm not relying on it to handle sensitive stuff, just my RPi, if I was doing banking, I wouldn't rely on anything short of a preshare key 4096bits for SSH, maybe with an authenticator
[11:34] <Datalink> meh, point is, it works while I'm walking around town, which is what I wanted when I set it up
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[11:35] <mjr> yes the handoff functionality and the latency is very nice
[11:37] <Datalink> it's why I got it, I was tired of having to reconnect, rescreen or worse, browse back to a work directory
[11:37] <Datalink> it'd be nice if tunneling where possible, but the transport makes it hard, as there's spike delays of minutes or longer in certain conditions
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[11:38] <Datalink> only problems I've had related to MOSH are a connectbot issue with it's dynamic rescaling on my device, I'm working to fix that, and found a patch till I can
[11:39] <dr_willis> been using 'server auditor' as a ssh client on my phone lately.
[11:40] <dr_willis> just had too many issues with connectbot
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[11:40] <Datalink> does that have a MOSH mode?
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[11:40] <dr_willis> no idea. ;) never heard of mosh untill 10 min ago. ;P
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[11:47] <Datalink> probably not then
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[11:50] <dr_willis> i had fried mosh for breakfast.. ;) oh wait thats mush..
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[12:04] <Datalink> MUSH is a different program, dr_willis
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[12:30] <defswork> gordonDrogon - you there ?
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[12:36] <jelly1> hi anyone with high cpu usage with XBMC?
[12:36] <jelly1> hmm oh it looks less now
[12:36] <jelly1> i thought it might be caused by outputting to composite
[12:37] <xzr> the xbmc cpu usage meter is flawed anyway
[12:37] <xzr> or so I hear
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> defswork, hello...
[12:37] <jelly1> yeah
[12:37] <jelly1> xzr: yes i checked top -> 20% iirc xbmc -> 90%
[12:37] <jelly1> lol
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[12:38] <ne2k> I'm using raspbmc and it always shows as 90%+ CPU usage even when it's doing nothing.
[12:38] <jelly1> i am using openelec now, much better
[12:39] <dr_willis> ne2k: and how are you viewing the cpu ussage?
[12:39] <ne2k> have been meaning to try out openelec, but my general feeling from reading the forums is that raspbmc is likely to prove more suited to my needs
[12:39] <ne2k> dr_willis: the xbmc meter under system->... somewhere
[12:39] <TAFB> ne2k: that's normal, it redraws the screen 60 times per second, even when doing nothing ;)
[12:39] <jelly1> how so
[12:40] <dr_willis> ive noticed the xbmc 'meter' in the gui always shows around 80-90% but if im playing a video and look with ssh/htop - its around 70%
[12:40] <ne2k> TAFB: well, 50, actually
[12:40] <jelly1> so silly
[12:40] <jelly1> i wrote a plugin for XBMC and then i found out it uses a VC3 stream which raspberrypi doesnt support :(
[12:40] <dr_willis> Ive had much better luck with xbian then raspbmc - but all these xbmc-pi disrtos are undergoing rapid development.
[12:40] <ne2k> exactly
[12:41] <jelly1> openelec seems stabler then raspbmc
[12:41] <dr_willis> I still havent gotten where i can pair my bluetooth keyboard with any of them
[12:42] <dr_willis> I do have some videos that omxplayer for some reason likes to play for about 30-60 sec.. then it just stops. ;) done it on xbian, openelec, havent tried others yet.
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[12:44] <ne2k> I'm interested in using the raspberry pi as a personal monitor mixer for a pro audio mixer with Ethernet output -- mixer sends 40 channels of 24bit 48kHz audio over Ethernet, pi selects channels, pans and mixes (and possibly effects) them, and outputs audio. needs very low latency -- <2ms would be great
[12:45] <sv> :)
[12:45] <dr_willis> outputs audio out the analog audio port? hdmi?
[12:45] <ne2k> I know the onboard audio is crap, so that's out of the window -- I'm looking at I2S and hoping to connect a DAC with headphone amp
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[12:46] <yaMatt> ne2k, sounds like a cool project
[12:47] <mjr> a lot of channels
[12:48] <ne2k> I'm trying to work out if I will need to do sample rate conversion or not. I think I will, as I can't see how to sync the clock
[12:49] <ne2k> I get an Ethernet frame every 250??s, which contains 12 samples * 40 channels
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[12:51] <ne2k> I have looked at USB audio devices but the latency seems too great
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[12:52] <dr_willis> and networking shares the usb stuff (?) on the pi also. i recall reading
[12:52] <ne2k> dr_willis: exactly
[12:53] <ne2k> dr_willis: I hope eventually to have the ethernet coming in over WiFi
[12:53] <dr_willis> shares the.. err.. bandwith? buss? :) 'blue smoke'
[12:53] <mjr> the usb ehternet may also introduce latency
[12:53] <mjr> 40 channels of 24-bit audio over wifi could be pushing it for most wifi arrangements...
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[12:54] <mjr> it's what, 40 Mbit/s
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[12:54] <mjr> 46, even
[12:56] <Adya> hah, I have 180 Kbit/s and I'm Okay :)
[12:56] <ne2k> it's a bit more, because there's headers
[12:57] <ne2k> mjr: my plan if I go to WiFi is to use a WiFi receiver in monitor mode with an unencrypted network, then use a trick to make the traffic appear as unicast so the AP sends it at full rate
[12:59] <mjr> frankly I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of data and the USB processing overhead would make it a problem for the pi, but what do I know, I haven't done anything like that
[13:00] <ne2k> mjr: I'm considering baremetal
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[13:52] <dr_willis> grub menu should have a entry for ubuntu, then older kernels. then recovery, then memtest i belive..
[13:53] <dr_willis> it can depend on the version of ubuntu - as to the exact entries
[13:53] <dr_willis> !recovery
[13:55] <SuperLag> ne2k: Oh.... so don't use my rPi for an mpd audio stream? :)
[13:55] <ne2k> SuperLag: what do you want to get out of it? analogue audio?
[13:55] <SuperLag> ne2k: a stream from a local classical music station :)
[13:55] <ne2k> SuperLag: the latency will not be an issue for media player applications. it's only for real-time monitoring that I'm concerned about a few milliseconds
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[13:56] <ne2k> SuperLag: you may find the on-board audio acceptable -- it's done with PWM. otherwise a low-cost USB audio device should give you good results. I think the Behringer UCA202 is pretty decent
[13:57] <SuperLag> ne2k: I also read somewhere that using HDMI, it can deliver the audio as well... but I'm not sure how to do tell mpd to use that, rather than send it through the headphone jack
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[13:58] <ne2k> SuperLag: look at your alsa config
[13:58] <SuperLag> ne2k: I'm running archlinux-arm and have it in console-only mode... connected to an HDMI monitor
[13:58] <ne2k> SuperLag: I'm not familiar with mpd, sorry
[13:58] <ne2k> SuperLag: if it's a monitor then it won't have speakers, surely?
[14:03] <SuperLag> ne2k: this monitor has speakers built-in
[14:04] <ne2k> SuperLag: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/44/why-is-my-audio-sound-output-not-working try this
[14:04] <ne2k> that might be quite old now
[14:04] <ne2k> try looking around for more up-to-date stuff
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[14:11] <SuperLag> well... I definitely got sound when I did the alsaplayer stuff
[14:11] <SuperLag> so it's likely my mpd config :)
[14:11] <SuperLag> which is very encouraging
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[14:17] <equivoc> bye
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[14:18] <megaproxy> anyone here on a virgin media connection
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[14:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> megaproxy yes
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[14:28] <megaproxy> RaTTuS|BIG, could you go here: https://signup.netflix.com/superhd
[14:28] <megaproxy> is it suyper HD ready?
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[14:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> Your Internet Provider is ready for Super HD!
[14:30] <Dyskette> Same here (also virgin media)
[14:32] <Datalink> .... I have a 50 meg down pipe, how am I not ready >.<
[14:33] <Dyskette> It's to do with some ISP-level content-caching thing, not really network speed. They only want 5Mbps or more.
[14:34] <megaproxy> i have 120meg
[14:34] <Datalink> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2424016595.png this is 'I'm too lazy to shut down stuff for the speed test' speed
[14:34] <megaproxy> also you need windows 8 apparently...
[14:34] * RaTTuS|BIG on vista64
[14:34] <Datalink> meh, not happening
[14:34] <Datalink> not till MS unbreaks the start menu
[14:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2421994476.png
[14:35] <megaproxy> Datalink, you can get rid of metro
[14:35] <Datalink> yeah, bloated addon, no thanks
[14:36] <megaproxy> Classic Shell
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[14:36] <megaproxy> http://www.classicshell.net/
[14:36] <megaproxy> tbh i may get windows 8 tonight and have aplay
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[14:40] <Gordio> Who configure CPU scaling?
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[15:04] <ne2k> reading further I'm considering using SPI for the Ethernet
[15:05] <ne2k> as the on board USB thing just appears to be a bit crappy
[15:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> nothing wrong with the RPi ethernet
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[15:06] <jelly1> yes when using usb + ethernet
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[15:07] <Kooothor> I'm blased, I ordered a pi at work, this morning I get the package, with the case, the SD, the alim, but no RPi... :/ was in stock just before I ordered, not anymore. I feel like the kids on youtube who gets shitty presents... :p
[15:08] <jelly1> atleast you have an sd card
[15:08] <jelly1> i had the Pi but no sd card ;)
[15:08] <Kooothor> ahah
[15:08] <rossw> you two should hook up
[15:08] <jelly1> no
[15:08] <Kooothor> :)
[15:08] <jelly1> i have everything already
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[15:09] <Gordio> ll /dev/
[15:09] * Gordio xD
[15:09] <Gordio> sorry
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[15:10] <Datalink> Kooothor, you got a kit but no pi? that sucks
[15:11] <ne2k> I would like to receive Ethernet frames in baremetal. I suspect this is a lot of work
[15:11] <ne2k> (I don't need to transmit)
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[15:12] <ne2k> alternatively, I need to work out how to write stuff within linux to cut out as much overhead as possible and bring latency right down
[15:12] <jelly1> ne2k: wireshark
[15:12] <ne2k> jelly1: wiresharK/
[15:13] <Kooothor> yep wireshark rox
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[15:13] <Kooothor> Datalink: indeed :/
[15:13] <ne2k> jelly1: perhaps you didn't read the part about baremetal
[15:13] <jelly1> ne2k: what is your real problem imo?
[15:13] <ne2k> jelly1: I don't know since I am not you
[15:13] <jelly1> ne2k: ...
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[15:15] <ne2k> jelly1: my project is this. a pro-audio mixer transmits 40 channels of 24bit PCM data in Ethernet frames, 12 samples per frame, 4000 frames per second, one frame every 250??s. I want to extract the audio, mix, pan, effect certain channels to make a stereo stream, then output it to a headphone amp, with absolutely the lowest latency possible. Preferably <1ms
[15:15] <ne2k> but 2ms would probably be acceptable
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[15:16] <ne2k> onboard audio is crap (PWM), so intending to use I2S
[15:16] <jelly1> oh
[15:16] <jelly1> dear
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[15:17] <ne2k> can't decide whether to try to optimize to get it working in Linux or to go baremetal
[15:17] <ne2k> but baremetal Ethernet is not going to be nice
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[15:18] <ne2k> jelly1: "oh dear"...?
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[15:19] <ne2k> I'm thinking that ditching Linux is going to create far more work than it saves
[15:19] <ne2k> so perhaps I need to write some stuff in kernel space to get the performance
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[15:23] <ne2k> downloading a large file with http (wget -O /dev/null ...) I'm getting pretty near to 100Mb/s and system CPU usage is about 40% (user about 10%)
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[15:23] <ne2k> about 5000 interrupts per second
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[15:32] <streetmapp> morning all
[15:33] <AndrevS> hi
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[15:35] <Gordio> hi
[15:35] <loffa> hi
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[16:40] <Luxtux007> I'm using raspberry pi "headless". Does anybody else loose his ssh connection while updating raspbian or installing some software?
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[16:42] <nid0> nope
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[16:43] <frikinz> never connected a screen to the pi so only using ssh and never lost connection
[16:44] <rossw> Luxtux007: never had a problem either
[16:44] <rossw> the ssh session does lag though but its never lost connection
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[16:44] <Luxtux007> only with apt-get ...
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[16:45] <nid0> wired or wireless connection?
[16:45] <Luxtux007> wire :)
[16:45] <defswork> gordonDrogon, hi - sorry I went away
[16:45] <defswork> you there ?
[16:45] <streetmapp> rossw: resolved my unable to ssh remotely problem. ??got home and sure enough...my ssh rule wasn't correct.
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[16:46] <streetmapp> apparently i never applied it, or never changed it
[16:46] <rossw> streetmapp: yay :) glad you sorted it mate!
[16:47] <streetmapp> yeah now just need to try some other things for new "issues". like if my ISP will allow me to use port 80.
[16:47] <nid0> crappy isp if not
[16:48] <streetmapp> if not, then reconfigure nginx to listen on a different port and forward that.
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[16:48] <rossw> id imagine you can use port 80
[16:48] <frikinz> never heard of isps filtering inbound traffic. appart from 135 maybe
[16:49] <streetmapp> i think i just need a forward rule again
[16:49] <nid0> frikinz: some bad isps do (used to) block port 80 inbound so they connections cant be used to host websites, most dont any more though
[16:50] <streetmapp> but the remote access i set on my router isn't working currently. ??so it might have to wait til I get home
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[16:50] <rossw> streetmapp: are you sure your routers remote access uses port 80?
[16:51] <nid0> hint: it doesnt
[16:51] <rossw> haha
[16:51] <streetmapp> rossw: oh no i configured the remote access to use a different port, port 80 is going to be nginx on my pi
[16:51] <rossw> then its not your isp blocking port 80 stopping your remote access :)
[16:52] <streetmapp> well i'm trying to remotely access my router...to add the new forwarding rule
[16:52] <rossw> aah, i see
[16:52] <rossw> sorry
[16:52] <streetmapp> no worries. i probably worded it in a mess
[16:53] <frikinz> my router also has its admin page using port 80 if I enable it on WAN side
[16:53] <nid0> you're at work? does your work connection allow outbound access to whatever port you've set for your router's remote admin?
[16:54] <streetmapp> nid0, that's a good point...it may not allow the port i'm trying
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[16:54] <nid0> back to yesterday's question, if you give us your ip and the relevant port we can see if its at your work end for you
[16:54] <streetmapp> especially since at work i find i always have to use a webclient for IRC, or my VPS
[16:55] <rossw> streetmapp: do you have a phone you could try to use the web browser on?
[16:55] <rossw> its most likely your work blocking it
[16:55] <streetmapp> rossw: yeah i'm actually about to tether my ipad to my phone and use that to try access
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[16:56] <rossw> Luxtux007: now youve mentioned it, i just lost ssh!
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[16:58] <streetmapp> hmm...so work is half the problem...
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[16:59] <streetmapp> the other might just be the mobile browser
[17:01] <rossw> so you can access the page on your mobile?
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[17:03] <streetmapp> so i get farther than i do on the work connection (gives me popup about it not being a secure connection), i hit proceed. and it just tries and tries but nothing
[17:03] <streetmapp> since i have the tethering going...i'm VNC'd into my pi and using that to connect to my router haha
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[17:06] <Davespice> folks, does anyone know (off hand) if kids ruby is ready for the Pi yet?
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[17:07] <rossw> Davespice: according to the website linux is "coming soon"
[17:07] <rossw> or do you mean the OS?
[17:07] <rossw> sorry, i dont really know anything about this, i just googled
[17:07] <rossw> ignore me
[17:08] <Davespice> yeah, I think there is going to be a dedicated SD card image for the Pi
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[17:21] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF3V-GHiJ78&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> DIY CT scanner
[17:23] <Davespice> SpeedEvil: that's awesome :)
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[17:23] <megaproxy> wait
[17:23] <megaproxy> whats a ct scanner?
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[17:23] <megaproxy> oooooh the big magnetic ring..
[17:24] <bruce927> Hi there, can anyone help with an issue I'm having with apt-get in raspbian?
[17:24] <megaproxy> possibly
[17:24] <SpeedEvil> megaproxy: close. that's MRI. ct is lots of xrays
[17:25] <bruce927> Going through ssh, tried running sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade;
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[17:25] <megaproxy> SpeedEvil, aaah
[17:25] <bruce927> And it froze on processing man-db
[17:25] <megaproxy> then i am confused
[17:25] <megaproxy> haha
[17:25] <IT_Sean> wiat... DIY CT Scanner? EEP!
[17:25] <IT_Sean> Probably NOT something you should be building yourself. :p
[17:25] <ambro718> will Raspberry Pi get a CPU upgrade sometime?
[17:26] <bruce927> So I rebooted and ran sudo dpkg --configure -a but its freezing up on the manual database again
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[17:26] <frikinz> freeze like for how long? apt-get IS slow
[17:26] <bruce927> Been sat there for a good fifteen minutes now
[17:29] <frikinz> any other problem apart from apt-get?
[17:30] <frikinz> I have to go. Ciao!
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[17:32] <bruce927> Blimey, according to top it's using 99% cpu
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: it's sane if you stay 20m away from it in use
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[17:33] <IT_Sean> 20m?
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[17:34] <IT_Sean> that's pretty dang far.
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[17:42] <megaproxy> Bruce314, if its still using cpu, its either still chugging away, or is stalled
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[17:42] <Torikun> 08:42 -!- -
[17:42] <Torikun> 08:42 -!- - Don't forget to check out these other Peer-Directed Projects:
[17:43] <IT_Sean> Translation: "Either it is working, or it isn't"
[17:43] <Torikun> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3011
[17:44] <bruce927> Yeah, it's been going 41 minutes and still averaging 99%
[17:44] <bruce927> I'll probably leave it another 20 mins
[17:44] <Torikun> sup room
[17:45] <bruce927> Kill it, try setting the overclock mode up and see if that helps
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[18:02] <bruce927> Running at turbo clock overclock helped
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[18:59] <dniMretsaM> how goes it today, shiftplusone?
[19:00] <shiftplusone> hey, don't know yet, just woke up.
[19:00] <dniMretsaM> ok, lol. it's 13:00 here
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[19:01] <TAFB> mornin shiftplusone :)
[19:01] <shiftplusone> ahoy
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[19:01] <s5fs> you guys again?!
[19:02] <dniMretsaM> did I miss something?
[19:02] <s5fs> man i need to get out more, haha
[19:02] <Gordio> DIE boost, DIE!
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[19:11] * Hodapp looks at Gordio
[19:12] <jami> Hello Raspberians. Im searching for a userland c gpio ir receiver decode program? I don't want to use lirc-rpi ko driver.
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[19:12] <Gordio> Shredinger binary: wget http://bpaste.net/raw/69150/ -q -O -
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[19:16] <dniMretsaM> so I'm thinking of turning my Pi into a Wayland/Qt5 dev box
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[19:26] <Torikun> TAFB: you there?
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[19:29] <TAFB> yeah :)
[19:29] <Torikun> oh I just sent you email lol
[19:29] <Torikun> try loading my site now =)
[19:29] <TAFB> i already replied
[19:29] <Torikun> lol
[19:30] <TAFB> wow, nice, about 50% faster!
[19:30] <TAFB> get caching working already!
[19:30] <Torikun> Yup!
[19:30] <Torikun> lol
[19:30] <Torikun> looked hard
[19:30] <Torikun> does php-fpm cache automatically?
[19:30] <TAFB> Torikun: it does not, but you can enable it, but I heard it sucks. you need 3rd party cache plugin
[19:30] <TAFB> you need to edit your pi status page!!! http://rusher81572.com/pi/
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[19:31] <Torikun> to
[19:31] <TAFB> if you add a | cut -n1-80
[19:31] <TAFB> to the shell_exec it'll trim those long lines (under usb info)
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[19:32] <Torikun> <td colspan="2"><strong>USB INFO</strong><br />
[19:32] <Torikun> <pre><?php echo shell_exec('lsusb'); ?></pre></td>
[19:33] <TAFB> <pre><?php echo shell_exec('lsusb | cut -n1-80'); ?></pre></td>
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[19:33] <Torikun> hmm its empty
[19:33] <TAFB> try it in terminal first, run lsusb | cut -n1-80
[19:33] <TAFB> i probably messed up the cut part :)
[19:34] <Torikun> i changed it to -c
[19:34] <TAFB> whops
[19:34] <TAFB> yeah
[19:34] <Torikun> -n invald option
[19:34] <TAFB> lol
[19:34] <TAFB> I was thinking of HEAD
[19:34] <Torikun> now its shows usb
[19:34] <TAFB> uses -n :)
[19:34] <Torikun> lol
[19:34] <Torikun> T'
[19:34] <Torikun> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 13fe:1f00 Kingston Technology Company Inc. DataTraveler 2
[19:35] <TAFB> usb info looks better :)
[19:35] <TAFB> maybe try -c1-90 or so
[19:35] <TAFB> see what the max you can fit in the box, without it stretching the page wider
[19:36] <Torikun> i did it to 100
[19:36] <Torikun> it says 4GB flash drive
[19:36] <Torikun> off
[19:36] <Torikun> odd
[19:36] <TAFB> lol
[19:36] <Torikun> its 16GB
[19:37] <TAFB> I made a more compact animated raspberry logo too, so it doesn't stretch the top box so big
[19:37] <TAFB> one sec for link
[19:37] <Torikun> k
[19:38] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/raspberry_pi_animated_logo.gif
[19:38] <Torikun> dam nginx draining my ram
[19:38] <TAFB> lemme check your ram, one sec.
[19:38] <TAFB> don't do notnin
[19:38] <Torikun> oh wait
[19:38] <Torikun> the pi page does not report memory right
[19:38] <Torikun> should show -/+ buffers/cache: 104 126
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[19:38] <Torikun> I have 126mb free
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[19:39] <TAFB> i can show you how to fix pi page :) one sec.
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[19:40] <Torikun> modified it
[19:40] <Torikun> to only free -h
[19:40] <TAFB> nice
[19:40] <TAFB> that's way better :)
[19:40] <Torikun> now it looks better, will put a grep to make it better
[19:40] <TAFB> want the code for "top 10 memory hogs" ?
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[19:40] <Torikun> ah much better
[19:41] <Torikun> lol
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[19:41] <TAFB> Torikun: put this in your memory usage box: http://pastie.org/pastes/5656290/text?key=bvlxfsjf0fjn8atc5g2bg
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[19:43] <Torikun> done
[19:44] <Torikun> hmm
[19:44] <TAFB> lol
[19:44] <TAFB> messed up somethin ;)
[19:44] <TAFB> wow, look at mysql! 44mb of ram! yikes.
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/3850056/qualcomms-insane-ces-2013-keynote-pictures-tweets
[19:44] <TAFB> the qualcomm keynote was retarded
[19:45] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB, memory usage isn't a bad thing (unless you start swapping)
[19:45] <Torikun> ok now
[19:45] <TAFB> needs a blank line or two.
[19:46] <TAFB> and it didn't print the <?php echo ' kB process<br />'; part
[19:46] <Torikun> i tried two echos then it did not display the ps command
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[19:46] <TAFB> must have missed the semi colon or somethin
[19:47] <TAFB> what's ddclient?
[19:47] <Torikun> updates dyndns autpmatically
[19:47] <Torikun> reload it, good now
[19:47] <TAFB> ahhh, nice :)
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[19:47] <TAFB> looks good, try and get the title echo part workin :)
[19:47] <Torikun> title?
[19:48] <TAFB> <?php echo ' kB process<br />';
[19:48] <TAFB> so it labels the memory and process columns
[19:48] <Torikun> hld on ,gotta reply to customer
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[19:50] * Torikun loves working from home
[19:50] * IT_Sean wishes he could work from home more.
[19:50] <Torikun> only 2 days a week for me
[19:50] <Torikun> lol
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[19:51] <IT_Sean> 0 days a week for me.
[19:51] <Torikun> dam
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[19:51] <TAFB_foodz> brb
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[19:52] <s5fs> i hate working from home
[19:52] <Torikun> y
[19:52] <s5fs> well, not hate, but am far less productive
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[19:52] <Torikun> what do you do for a livnig
[19:52] <IT_Sean> I'm pretty productive when working remotely.
[19:52] <s5fs> consultant
[19:52] <Torikun> cool
[19:52] <Torikun> tech support here
[19:53] <IT_Sean> But i do often have a movie on in the bground when doing so, so... :p
[19:53] <IT_Sean> <-- tech support.
[19:53] <Torikun> same here
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[19:53] <Torikun> lol
[19:53] <s5fs> mainly programming and systems work these days, but i'll do whatever i'm paid to do (within reason)
[19:53] <s5fs> well, we're all tech support at some level
[19:53] <Torikun> IT_Sean: tech support sucks huh lol
[19:53] <Torikun> lol
[19:53] <IT_Sean> Not really.
[19:53] <IT_Sean> I don't hate it.
[19:53] <Torikun> what do you support
[19:53] <IT_Sean> stuff.
[19:53] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:53] <Torikun> lol
[19:53] <IT_Sean> I support an email solution.
[19:53] <s5fs> i just got off a 2yr windows engagement, it was 40% of my time for a while
[19:54] <Torikun> i support a clustering product
[19:54] <Torikun> nice s5fs
[19:54] <s5fs> small non-profit, about 100 users. i rebuilt their network, soup to nuts. was a fun gig.
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[19:56] <s5fs> Torikun: what kind of clustering product?
[19:57] <rikkib> http://122.61.65.146:8081 Web cam still running this morning.
[19:57] <s5fs> gogo forklift!
[19:57] <Torikun> Veritas
[19:58] <s5fs> Torikun: i thought veritas was eaten by symantec years ago
[19:58] <Torikun> it was
[19:58] * SpeedEvil tries to work out where GMT -9 is
[19:58] <Torikun> They keep the name
[19:58] <SpeedEvil> guess not Alaska
[19:58] <rikkib> Lady on the forklift is clients wife.. She is a real go getter.
[19:59] <s5fs> haha, self-serve warehouse
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[20:00] <rikkib> PC recycle company
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[20:01] <s5fs> rikkib: where are you guys located? do you buy old gear?
[20:01] <rikkib> The company is located in Auckland NZ
[20:02] <s5fs> yeah.. bit far for me (US)
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[20:03] <Torikun> sucks that pacemaker is not compilable for the pi
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[20:03] <Torikun> I would like to have a failover pi setup
[20:04] <CarlFK> http://www.amazon.com/Loftek-Screen-Adjustable-Monitor-Security/dp/B007IDKWOG/ref=pd_rhf_sc_s_cp_4 Loftek 4.3 Inch TFT LCD Screen Adjustable Monitor For Security CCTV Camera And Car DVR ... Resolution: 480(H) x RGB x 272(V) PAL/NTSC 2-channel video input:V1/V2 auto switching(V1 display first)
[20:04] <CarlFK> that should work with pi's composite right ?
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[20:18] * rikkib is not frustrated that a sd card ordered on the 20th Dec has not arrived yet.
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[20:20] <rikkib> uggg how did not get in the sentence
[20:20] <IT_Sean> you do know you can get them at most computer and office supply shops, right?
[20:20] <rikkib> Not in my town
[20:21] <IT_Sean> really?
[20:21] <IT_Sean> You can't walk into a shop and buy an SD card?
[20:21] <rikkib> 15 minutes to nearest large town with shops
[20:21] <IT_Sean> Oooh.
[20:21] <IT_Sean> I see.
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[20:21] <rikkib> And a lot cheaper on local auction site trademe.co.nz
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[20:22] <rikkib> Plus like to stick with the brand that works Transcend
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[20:23] <rikkib> Class 10 cards
[20:26] <Gordio> rikkib, its in you
[20:26] <Gordio> ?
[20:26] <rikkib> ?
[20:26] <Gordio> rikkib, * you have SD Class 10?
[20:26] <Gordio> Please run hdparm -Tt /dev/mmcblk0
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[20:26] <ParkerR_> Gordio: I do
[20:26] <ParkerR_> Want me to try that?
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[20:27] <rikkib> Timing cached reads: 240 MB in 2.01 seconds = 119.57 MB/sec
[20:27] <rikkib> Timing buffered disk reads: 44 MB in 3.04 seconds = 14.45 MB/sec
[20:28] <Gordio> Hm. Thx =\
[20:28] <rikkib> np
[20:28] <rikkib> How does that compare?
[20:28] <Gordio> Timing cached reads: 318 MB in 2.00 seconds = 159.00 MB/sec
[20:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Timing cached reads: 306 MB in 2.01 seconds = 152.55 MB/sec
[20:28] <Gordio> Timing buffered disk reads: 58 MB in 3.06 seconds = 18.95 MB/sec
[20:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Timing buffered disk reads: 52 MB in 3.02 seconds = 17.20 MB/sec
[20:28] <Gordio> :P
[20:29] <ParkerR_> Umm
[20:29] <Gordio> I have Class 4 :P
[20:29] <rikkib> Hmmm
[20:29] <ParkerR_> How are you getting 152MB/s?
[20:29] <ParkerR_> Or 159
[20:29] <Gordio> sdram_freq=450 >> /boot/config.txt
[20:30] <ParkerR_> Faster write to SD card with that?
[20:30] <ParkerR_> *Read
[20:30] <ShiftPlusOne> 500 here
[20:30] <Gordio> This overclock write to SD card
[20:30] <Gordio> But you need test all.
[20:30] <Gordio> And GOOD test. Potential you can kill all data or/and device.
[20:31] <Gordio> ShiftPlusOne, show you core_freq and arm_freq
[20:31] <Torikun> i got a performane bump slightly from moving rootfs to usb pen drive
[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Gordio, 500 and 1000
[20:32] <ParkerR_> Hmm it says hdparm is installed but hdparm command not found
[20:32] <Gordio> ParkerR_, you need install it, before use :D
[20:32] <Torikun> ParkerR_: find / | grep -i hdparm
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe it's in sbin?
[20:32] <Gordio> ShiftPlusOne, Wow!
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> (try as root)
[20:32] <ParkerR_> Gordio: ParkerR_ | Hmm it says hdparm is installed
[20:32] <Gordio> ParkerR_, oh sorry, I miss "install:
[20:33] <TAFB> use iozone, best test for ish EVER :)
[20:33] <Gordio> "
[20:33] <Gordio> TAFB, good test :)
[20:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Gordio, I just copy/pasted the config without any testing, but I haven't run into any problems yet.
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[20:34] <Gordio> ShiftPlusOne, sorry, I cant understand last word's =(
[20:34] <ParkerR_> hdparm is already the newest version.
[20:34] <Gordio> "but I haven't run into any problems yet."
[20:34] <ParkerR_> hdparm set to manually installed.
[20:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Gordio, pokashto vse bez problem.
[20:34] <Gordio> ParkerR_, sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/mmcblk0
[20:34] <ParkerR_> Oh nvm
[20:34] <ParkerR_> Yeah root
[20:35] <Gordio> ShiftPlusOne, thx. Thats better :D
[20:35] <ParkerR_> :DDD
[20:35] <ParkerR_> Without messing with frequencies
[20:35] <ParkerR_> Timing cached reads: 270 MB in 2.01 seconds = 134.51 MB/sec
[20:35] <ParkerR_> Timing buffered disk reads: 60 MB in 3.07 seconds = 19.51 MB/sec
[20:35] <Gordio> ParkerR_, good SD :)
[20:36] <johnc_> so I used the 1GHz overclock config that was linked here, I love you guys
[20:36] <ParkerR_> I'm happy at 800mhz
[20:36] <Gordio> ParkerR_, after modify /boot/config.txt (if modify) can you show hdparm -Tt again?
[20:36] <xrosnight> hey is there anyone using wiringPi PHP wrapper? it's too weird that wiringpi::digitalRead(); works, but wiringpi::digitalWrite(x,x); doesn't work. Any suggestion?? :)
[20:36] <rikkib> Hmmm everyone has better performance than mine.
[20:36] <ParkerR_> Gordio: I don't want to
[20:37] <Gordio> Ok
[20:37] <xrosnight> hey is there anyone using wiringPi PHP wrapper? it's too weird that wiringpi:\:igitalRead(); works, but wiringpi:\:igitalWrite(x,x); doesn't work. Any suggestion??
[20:37] <frikinz> I enjoy my 700mHz and my stability.. till now
[20:37] <ParkerR_> xrosnight: No need to repeat
[20:37] <rikkib> But my Rpi is bog standard as far as clocking goes
[20:37] <xrosnight> ParkerR_: sorry. i pasted it twice
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[20:39] <xrosnight> yesterday wiringpi:: digitalWrite(x,x); worked, but today it doesn't work. Only wiringpi:: digitalRead(x); . i chmod 777 test.php, but it doesn't help. weird.
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[20:42] <Primer> Anyone willing to test my composite security cam stream using a omxplayer (I believe that's what I was told would work for this)?
[20:42] <CarlFK> Primer: eh?
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[20:42] <xrosnight> Primer: i'd like to test it but now i am busy with the wiringpi wrapper of php
[20:43] <Primer> CarlFK: I'm considering ordering a pi to serve as a client to my home security system
[20:43] <rikkib> URL? I can try in vlc
[20:43] <Primer> basically it'd be connected to my Denon which manages the HDMI connections to my HDTV in the living room
[20:43] <ParkerR_> My current config.txt http://withg.org/parkerlreed/config.txt
[20:43] <Primer> http://home.ceregatti.org:8086
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[20:44] <Primer> rikkib: I know it works using vlc, as that's what I've used to test it
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[20:44] <Primer> rikkib: I'm mostly concerned with the performance on the pi
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[20:45] <Primer> I can't imagine this stream overpowering it, but I want to be sure before I go forward with this
[20:45] <rikkib> Works great here in NZ
[20:45] <cubicool> Anyone have the Pi heatsinks from ThePiHut.com?
[20:45] <Primer> rikkib: lovely!
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[20:45] <frikinz> Works also with mplayer. some cache miss I guess we were several connected
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[20:46] <Primer> frikinz: I have 35m up at home...FIOS
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[20:47] <Primer> might have been CPU though. The machine's also running motion, which is what's feeding each cam
[20:47] <xrosnight> Primer: what's that my chrome is download a binary from your site
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[20:47] <frikinz> frikinz: I have 20m down
[20:48] <Primer> I really wish motion's v4l loopback support wasn't broken, because then I could have vlc reading a v4l device instead of the motion web cam streams
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[20:48] <Primer> xrosnight: that URL was meant to be viewed with vlc or mplayer
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[20:49] * Seryth waves
[20:49] <Seryth> Hey all!
[20:49] <Primer> I'm still hoping someone will pull it up on their Pi and let me know how the performance is
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[20:49] <xrosnight> Primer: alright. i didn't notice that one before
[20:49] <xrosnight> Primer: it's clear here. China
[20:49] <johnc_> Primer: cool, you got the mosaic to work
[20:49] <Primer> johnc_: it took a LOT of trial and error
[20:50] <Kriss3d> hi. is it possible on R-P to detect if i insert a minijack ? it would be awsome to be able to switch sound output from HDMI to minijack..
[20:50] <Primer> and zero help from #videolan here on freenode
[20:50] <xrosnight> Primer: i am going to hook my web cam soon.
[20:50] <Kriss3d> even if its just per boot
[20:50] <Primer> xrosnight: Are you viewing it using a Pi?
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[20:50] <xrosnight> Primer: what do you mean? I am using linux mint now. Going to use it with a pi
[20:51] <xrosnight> Primer: i see a dog out there
[20:51] <Gordio> ParkerR_, why you disable framebufer alpha channel?
[20:51] <xrosnight> Primer: it's nice . not slow
[20:51] <johnc_> Primer: gimmie a sec to turn on my tv
[20:52] <xrosnight> has your cam been started for 16 mins?
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[20:52] <ParkerR_> Gordio: It allows for higher bpp (16, 24, 32 bit color etc) and also I allowed X to work in 24 bit
[20:52] <Primer> xrosnight: excellent
[20:52] <ParkerR_> *and also it
[20:52] <Primer> xrosnight: I have a lot of upstream bandwidth at home. Fiber in my garage :)
[20:53] <xrosnight> Primer: cool! where are you? my bandwidth is only 2MB/S...
[20:53] <Primer> xrosnight: Los Angeles
[20:53] <ParkerR_> "framebuffer_ignore_alpha set to 1 to disable alpha channel. Helps with 32bit."
[20:55] <johnc_> Primer: omxplayer won't play the stream
[20:55] <johnc_> Primer: might have to encode it a bit differently
[20:56] <xrosnight> mplayer works
[20:56] <Primer> johnc_: Does it say why?
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[20:56] <ParkerR_> xrosnight: mplayer on the Pi is not optimized
[20:56] <johnc_> Primer: omxplayer runs and parses the stream fine it just doesn't show up on my tv at all
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[20:57] <johnc_> omxplayer output: http://privatepaste.com/627019c895
[20:57] <xrosnight> alright. ParkerR_ what do you use there
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[20:57] <johnc_> Primer: what container format are you using?
[20:58] <Primer> johnc_: It surely seems to detect everything just fine
[20:58] <loffa> Hello, are there some plans or something working to get backtrack to Raspberry Pi?
[20:58] <Gordio> mplayer best
[20:58] <Primer> johnc_: Whatever the final working example I cobbled together uses. I got this working through much trial and error
[20:59] <Gordio> but how you use it?
[20:59] <Gordio> For me mplayer very slow :(
[20:59] <ShiftPlusOne> loffa, might be worth asking the backtrack guys if they are working on it.
[20:59] <johnc_> Primer: let me see your vlc command line
[20:59] <Primer> sec
[20:59] <loffa> ShiftPlusOne, i did ask there but got no answer so far but i gues i will wait
[21:00] <Primer> johnc_: setup bg output #transcode{width=960,height=480,sfilter=mosaic,vcodec=mp4v,vb=1000}:bridge-in:std{access=http{mime=video/x-asf-stream},mux=asf,dst=/}
[21:00] <Primer> that's the relevant line in the vlm fine
[21:00] <pkrnj> having problems adding archlinux to berryboot - am i better off asking here or in #*-dev?
[21:00] <ShiftPlusOne> loffa, it's probably a no then. However, backtrack is based on debian, so you could roll your own backtrack-like distro starting from a minimal raspbian image.
[21:01] <loffa> ShiftPlusOne, ohh cool
[21:01] <johnc_> Primer: you're streaming mp4v (x264 I believe) in an asf container
[21:01] <ShiftPlusOne> sorry, my mistake, it says it's based on ubuntu 10.04
[21:01] <loffa> :/(
[21:02] <Primer> johnc_: But it should be ts?
[21:02] <ShiftPlusOne> loffa, doesn't matter, most of the tools should be in the raspbian repos and you should be able to build the rest.
[21:02] <johnc_> Primer: ts is what I've seen used with x264 streams in the past, I've never known it to be contained in asf
[21:02] <loffa> okey
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[21:04] <frikinz> mplayer -vo null -ao null -frames 0 -identify http://home.ceregatti.org:8086
[21:05] <Primer> johnc_: not sure what I need to do to force it into a different container. The people in #videolan don't talk much either
[21:06] <ShiftPlusOne> I am running arch and have added /opt/vc/lib to ld.conf. Running ldconf -v shows all the right libraries, however when running tvservice or anything linked against those libraries, I get errors like " libvchiq_arm.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" Anyone know what's up with that?
[21:06] <frikinz> Primer: mux=ts ?
[21:07] <frikinz> I've mostly done it with gui vlc to select the proper switches and then look at the generate line
[21:07] <johnc_> Primer: just confirmed that an mpegts stream using x264 works with omxplayer locally
[21:07] <ShiftPlusOne> (I also ran "sudo rpi-update d77ec8c482df21ac8eba5e2906bdb5ca8fdf892d" to get wake from halt, if that's important)
[21:07] <johnc_> #transcode{vcodec=h264,vb=800,scale=1,acodec=mp4a,ab=128,channels=2,samplerate=44100}:std{access=http,mux=ts,dst=0.0.0.0:8080}
[21:08] <johnc_> you probably don't need the acodec stuff though
[21:08] <CarlFK> anyone have any good advice for $20 web cams?
[21:08] <Primer> ok, trying that now
[21:08] <johnc_> CarlFK: my advice is to spend more than $20
[21:08] <CarlFK> lol
[21:08] <CarlFK> what does that get me?
[21:08] <Primer> I guess I should also set the mime type
[21:09] <johnc_> Primer: doesn't really matter
[21:09] <Primer> ok
[21:10] <Primer> it's changed
[21:10] <Primer> and mplayer fails to play it
[21:10] <johnc_> Primer: change from mpeg4 to x264
[21:10] <johnc_> vcodec=h264
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[21:11] <Primer> same thing
[21:11] <Seryth> my SD card finally arrived, I should be able to start using the Pi today or tomorrow!
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[21:12] <Caleb> sweetr
[21:12] <Caleb> sweet
[21:12] <Seryth> Yup, am excited
[21:13] <TAFB> congrats :) wut u gonna use it for?!
[21:13] <Torikun> Yes!
[21:13] * Torikun installs ubuntu 12.10 on macbook pri
[21:13] <Primer> oh wait, nm, it finally came up
[21:13] <Primer> johnc_: care to give it another try?
[21:13] <johnc_> one sec
[21:13] <Primer> I also upped the bitrate
[21:13] <Primer> looks a lot better
[21:14] <xrosnight> TAFB: hey do you know something about wiringpi PHP wrapper
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[21:14] <Primer> it works in vlc but not mplayer
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[21:15] <pkrnj> has anyone managed to add archlinux to berryboot?
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[21:15] <Primer> it takes several seconds before it shows up in vlc, but when it finally does, it's smooth
[21:16] <Seryth> TAFB: I've got no idea at the moment! To start with, I'll probably use it as a storage server for all my Python work. A local git repo kinda thing. But once I've grasped a better hold of Python, I'd like to start using the GPIO pins for stuff!
[21:16] <pkrnj> when i squash the fs and load if from usb key, it fails, unable to find /sbin/init
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[21:17] <Geniack> hello, anyone running openelec AND got a logitech dinovo mini device for the rpi?
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[21:18] <johnc_> Primer: doesn't appear to work in omx, omx runs but doesn't display anything
[21:18] <Primer> let it run for a while
[21:18] <Primer> it took at least 10 seconds to show up in vlc here
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[21:19] <johnc_> did you kill the stream?
[21:20] <Primer> it should still be up
[21:20] <loffa> can I join in too? :)
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[21:21] <Primer> johnc_: it's odd that now mplayer doesn't work
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[21:22] <johnc_> Primer: the stream format seems fine, h264 in a ts container
[21:23] <Primer> indeed
[21:23] <Primer> I'm curious if the mime is tripping it up somehow
[21:23] <johnc_> Primer: not sure what the problem is, it's not rendering on my screen despite omxplayer running
[21:23] <johnc_> don't set the mime
[21:23] <johnc_> it isn't required
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[21:23] <Primer> restarting it without the mime
[21:24] <pgimeno> hi, I've been trying to connect to IRC from the RPi with tinyIRC but got an error: 461 USER Not enough parameters. I can connect normally as root but of course that's a big no-no. Has anyone experienced that? Is it solvable?
[21:24] <Primer> heh, vlc seems to hate that
[21:24] <johnc_> what mime type were you sending?
[21:25] <johnc_> oh you probably messed up your command line :P
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[21:26] <pgimeno> johnc_: who did?
[21:26] <rikkib> Already 29.6 deg C in my workshop 9:30am 44 deg C for the outside sensor in direct sunlight.
[21:26] <johnc_> pgimeno: Primer
[21:27] <xrosnight> i finally got the right answer.. the wiringpi wrapper for php doesn't work. it is because the wiringpi.ini is not chmod 777. all i need is to change its privileges
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[21:30] <johnc_> Primer: the only thing I can think of is that omxplayer doesn't want to render a video that doesn't have an audio channel
[21:30] <Torikun> 6/clear
[21:31] <Primer> johnc_: it's odd how vlc takes a considerable amount of time to pull the stream up, but it always does
[21:31] <Primer> yet mplayer still fails
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[21:31] <johnc_> Primer: mplayer could be tripped up by an incorrect content-type header
[21:31] <Primer> johnc_: maybe I can pull in some streaming music :)
[21:32] <Primer> wow, ok, given enough time, mplayer pulls it up too
[21:32] <xrosnight> Primer: btw , how much current does pi draw ?
[21:32] <Primer> but it takes considerably longer than vlc
[21:32] <johnc_> Primer: vlc is probably buffering frames before starting the render process or waiting for a keyframe
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[21:32] <Primer> xrosnight: I'm not using a Pi to do this
[21:32] <Primer> xrosnight: the Pi will be the client for this
[21:32] <xrosnight> Primer: what do you use
[21:32] <Primer> a 6 year old dual opteron
[21:32] <Primer> running Debian Lenny...yes, Lenny
[21:33] <johnc_> Primer: it's entirely possible that omxplayer is taking a while to load it, I gave it a good minute last time though
[21:33] <xrosnight> Primer: alright. mine laptop is of 5 years old also
[21:33] <jacekowski> xrosnight: chmod 777 is bad
[21:33] <jacekowski> xrosnight: and no software should require it
[21:35] <xrosnight> jacekowski: but i see all the files i n /etc/php5/conf.d/* are of 777. 20-curl.ini 777, 20-mysqli.ini 777. they are all by default when i installed them
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[21:35] <jacekowski> that's not safe
[21:35] <jacekowski> it's like asking to be hacked
[21:35] <Primer> johnc_: I wonder how something like xbmc as a client would fare...or does it just shell out to omxplayer?
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[21:36] <johnc_> Primer: omxplayer and xbmc share the same library for playback on pi afaik
[21:36] <Primer> yeah, that makes sense
[21:36] <johnc_> Primer: I'd see about making it load faster in vlc/mplayer by adding more keyframes first
[21:36] <Primer> johnc_: care to help me out with that?
[21:37] <Primer> I did this mosaic thing by a large amount of trial and error. It seems you know vlc fairly well
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[21:39] <xrosnight> jacekowski: thanks :) i just googled it.
[21:39] <johnc_> Primer: I think it's an option called "keyint" on the encoder settings (works for ffmpeg and x264 encoders)
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[21:40] <Primer> johnc_: thanks, looking into it now
[21:40] <xrosnight> jacekowski: if i only need to read the file not to change or execute the file, chmod 440 , is that what people usually do for read-only files?
[21:41] <jacekowski> xrosnight: you should never have anything set to more than 774
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[21:41] <jacekowski> read only for everyone would be 444
[21:41] <johnc_> Primer: like {vcodec=h264{keyint=5}}
[21:41] <jacekowski> 4 - read, 2 - write, 1 - execute
[21:41] <johnc_> Primer: you might need to set mux=ts{use-key-frames} too
[21:41] <jacekowski> first position is owner, second group, 3rd everyone
[21:41] <xrosnight> jacekowski: since i don't want other people to read my files out of group.
[21:42] <jacekowski> 440 or 640
[21:42] <Primer> johnc_: ok
[21:43] <Primer> done...and mplayer still hates it
[21:43] <Primer> let me look into adding an audio stream
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[21:44] * rikkib is off on a Debian base system install building a file server to go with my RPi cams.
[21:46] <biberao> hi
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[21:47] <rikkib> Hi
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[21:52] <johnc_> Primer: h264 in ts is a standard type of stream and should work flawlessy, it's the most popular live streaming format
[21:53] <Primer> yeah, I agree it should work
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[21:54] <johnc_> I setup live transcoding on a video here, h264 video, aac audio, mpeg-ts container format and it worked flawlessy in omxplayer
[21:55] <Primer> Can you show me the audio portions?
[21:56] <biberao> i cant get openelect to work anymore
[21:56] <biberao> its weird
[21:56] <Primer> I'm trying to add audio now
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[21:56] <Primer> well
[21:56] <Primer> I need to add that as a separate input source
[21:56] <Primer> as none of my 5 cams have video
[21:56] <biberao> Primer: you're controlling cams with pi?
[21:57] <Primer> no
[21:57] <Primer> simply going to use a Pi as a security camera client
[21:57] <biberao> what do you mean
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[21:58] <Primer> johnc_: I'm sure this will ultimately work, so I'm going ahead and ordering a Pi
[21:58] <Primer> biberao: I have a security camera stream that I will be using a Pi to watch on my TV
[21:58] <biberao> ah
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[21:59] <rjanja> Primer, xbmc will natively recognize .strm files that contain an rtsp link to the video feed, I've tested this with a trendnet camera and it works flawlessly
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[22:00] <rjanja> Primer, just food for thought of course. haven't tried it in other players yet
[22:00] <Primer> rjanja: can xbmc simply open a URL?
[22:01] <Primer> rjanja: that is the stream, that is
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[22:01] <rjanja> Primer, the URL is what's in the strm file, so yes
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[22:01] <biberao> openelec vs xbian vs raspbmc
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[22:01] <Primer> Right now I'm using both mplayer and vlc to test the stream, and both work fine. johnc_'s been trying omxplayer with the same stream and it fails
[22:01] <Primer> rjanja: I don't suppose you have xbmc handy and would be willing to test my stream?
[22:02] <rjanja> Primer, sure, let me switch it to a nearer tv though
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[22:04] <Primer> rjanja: http://home.ceregatti.org:8086
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[22:05] <Primer> I'm pondering getting a really sensitive mic and hooking it up so the stream is complete
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[22:06] <pgimeno_pi> Ok, found what was wrong
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[22:07] <pgimeno_pi> The pi user does not have a real name (gecos) by default, and tinyirc requires it
[22:07] <rymate1234> hey guys
[22:07] <tac-tics> hi
[22:07] <rymate1234> anyone recommend a good web browser for the Pi?
[22:08] <Gordio> rymate1234, elinks best :D
[22:08] <ShiftPlusOne> elinks >.>
[22:08] <Gordio> ShiftPlusOne, ^___^
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[22:08] <rymate1234> does it have basic css/js support?
[22:08] <Gordio> +
[22:08] <rymate1234> yay
[22:08] <Gordio> xD
[22:08] <pgimeno_pi> Thanks anyway. Bye from my Pi!
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[22:09] <rymate1234> gonna be using my pi as a pc for a while
[22:09] <tac-tics> Is there a site with a brainstorm of possible RP projects?
[22:09] <rymate1234> as laptop is broke
[22:09] <ShiftPlusOne> tac-tics, there is a project ideas thread on the forum
[22:09] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it was posted by a 'jessie'
[22:09] <pkrnj> hello. is this a good place to ask about berryboot config? i'm loading arch (sqaushed) from usb using berryboot but it can't find /sbin/init. it's there, i checked.
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[22:10] <Gordio> http://smashinghub.com/50-best-responsive-web-design-toolbox.htm
[22:10] <Gordio> ops
[22:10] <Gordio> * http://pingbin.com/2012/12/30-cool-ideas-raspberry-pi-project/
[22:10] <tac-tics> ty guys
[22:10] <johnc_> Primer: looking at it your video might be in a non-supported video resolution
[22:10] <rjanja> Primer, ok, adding it as a source, sec
[22:10] <tac-tics> My roommate got one the other day
[22:10] <tac-tics> and I really want to get one, too
[22:11] <tac-tics> but I have no idea what I'd use it for!
[22:11] <tac-tics> (He used it to remote control his Phillis Hue lights)
[22:11] <kuraiou> I'm also using it technically as a webserver running nginx but okay.
[22:11] <kuraiou> <.<
[22:12] <tac-tics> oh hi roommate, kuraiou
[22:12] <Primer> johnc_: mplayer and vlc have no problem "full screening" the video to fit my 1920x1080 monitor on my workstation
[22:13] <Primer> granted, it creates bars at the top and bottom, but I can live with that
[22:13] <kuraiou> I'm curious -- I've seen GPIO packages for java and ruby, but what's out there for Python?
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[22:13] <Gordio> kuraiou, find better
[22:13] <johnc_> Primer: you'll have to play with it to get it working, I'm not sure why it isn't and I don't know the pi well enough
[22:13] <piney> kuraiou, wiring pi what your looking for?
[22:13] <Primer> I have to fit 5 cameras into that stream, each of which is 640x480 at the source, but I'm transcoding that to half that rez, in a 3x2 grid, making it 960x480
[22:14] <kuraiou> piney: oh, I'm just curious. I don't have anything particular in mind at the moment.
[22:14] <rjanja> Primer, it seems to work but I'm seeing a white screen with a green bar 2/3 of the way over to the right
[22:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm, any idea why I am getting library errors when running things linked against the vc libs? The libs show up in ldconfig -v and work when I add LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib, but simply running something like tvservice without the env var fails =/
[22:14] <kuraiou> Like tac-tics said, currently I'm just using it to control some lights.
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[22:14] <Primer> rjanja: it's shown to take a while to load in vlc and mplayer
[22:15] <rjanja> Primer, err nvm, I see it in firefox now, so the white screen is definitely not it working
[22:15] <jacekowski> what is reading the config.txt file?
[22:15] <piney> kuraiou, wiring pi is a wrapper for the Pi's gpio pins, there are extensions for python, c, etc
[22:15] <jacekowski> is that a kernel or some userland stuff?
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[22:15] <jacekowski> or the bootloader?
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[22:15] <Primer> rjanja: well, that stream probably won't load in default firefox unless you're using the vlc plugin
[22:15] <rjanja> Primer, I'll give xbmc another minute or two and see if it starts streaming properly
[22:15] <kuraiou> piney: cool, thank you. :D I'll check it out.
[22:15] <Primer> or some other plugin
[22:15] <piney> jacekowski, the bootloader
[22:16] <ShiftPlusOne> jacekowski, the firmware/bootloader.
[22:16] <rjanja> Primer, what format are you using for it now?
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[22:16] <Primer> rjanja: so you have seen what it should look like? i.e. 5 security cameras in a 3x2 grid?
[22:16] <Primer> rjanja: ts container with h264 video
[22:16] * dniMretsaM has now overclocked his Pi to 1GHz.
[22:16] <Primer> but as johnc_ mentioned, it's an odd resolution
[22:16] <rjanja> Primer, on my desktop ff, yes. nice camera setup. xbmc still showing a white image
[22:17] <rjanja> Primer, do you have any alternate urls or formats available?
[22:17] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: you tried hunting with nm or objdump? just throwing ideas, don't ask me which of the options to use :) I wonder if I have anything linked against vc to try
[22:17] <Primer> rjanja: no
[22:17] <Primer> rjanja: I only cobbled this together yesterday
[22:17] <Primer> My goal is to display that on my living room TV using a Pi
[22:17] <Primer> hence the desire to see it working on someone's Pi
[22:17] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, tvservice or any of the /opt/vc/src examples when built with the default makefiles are all not working as a result.
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[22:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll try your suggestions though
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[22:18] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: and you tried ldd on the binary I guess
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[22:19] <sheldor> is it possible to only overclock specific freqs like h264_freq in /boot/config.txt?
[22:19] <sheldor> somewhere i read that this doesnt take effect because they all depend on core_freq and must be multiples of it
[22:19] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, well it says 'not found' on those libs, though like I said, ldconfig doesn't seem to have a problem with them. =/
[22:20] <Hexxeh> rebuilding glibc, never a pleasant task :(
[22:20] <rjanja> Primer, success!
[22:20] <kuraiou> OH. I have an actual question that's not stupid. So I've noticed in most raspberry pi tutorials that they tell you to set the memory split to 16MB for video, which is what I'd like to do. HOWEVER, in raspi-config my memory_split options only go as far down as 32MB. Why is that, and how can I still change it?
[22:20] <rymate1234> huh
[22:20] <Primer> rjanja: so it was just a matter of waiting?
[22:20] <rymate1234> iceweasel isn't too bad
[22:20] <ShiftPlusOne> kuraiou, you can modify /boot/config.txt manually.
[22:21] <kuraiou> ShiftPlusOne: Thanks, that's what I needed to know.
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[22:21] <kuraiou> You guys are crazy helpful so far!
[22:21] <Primer> rjanja: Any details?
[22:22] <rjanja> Primer, I closed the feed on desktop browser and restarted it on raspbmc, it seems solid now
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[22:22] <Primer> rjanja: excellent! Thanks for testing this for me
[22:22] <jacekowski> is there a size limit for config.txt?
[22:22] <Primer> johnc_: thanks for your help too
[22:22] <rjanja> Primer, sec and I'll paste a short video
[22:23] <johnc_> Primer: if you have a blog, post it up!
[22:23] <Primer> johnc_: I don't really blog. I sometimes make videos and put them on YT. I'll probably detail this entire thing as a video on YT once I get my Pi setup
[22:23] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: ok on my raspbian side, raspberrypi-bin which contains tvservice doesn't seem to have a source or?
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[22:24] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, the source for it might be in github somewhere, I don't know, but it comes without the source
[22:25] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, but there's always the hello_world example as well
[22:25] <ShiftPlusOne> people on the forum are saying to symlink the libraries to /usr/lib, but that sounds messy =/
[22:26] <frikinz> ldd on tvservice on raspbian doesn't give me not found. you have /opt listed in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ also? probably if ldconfig succeeds
[22:27] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, I have /opt/vc/lib in there
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[22:27] <rjanja> Primer, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2856016/VID_20130109_132116.mp4
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[22:28] <mads-> Hi. I have some video files my raspberry will not play. I'm using Xbian. Does anyone know of a tool where I can check the file to see what the trouble is with playing it on the Xbian?
[22:28] <rjanja> Primer, $ cat primer.strm
[22:28] <rjanja> http://home.ceregatti.org:8086/
[22:28] <Primer> rjanja: I think I just jizzed my pants!
[22:28] <ShiftPlusOne> "sudo ldconfig -v | grep libGLESv2.so" gives libGLESv2.so -> libGLESv2.so under /opt/vc/lib:
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[22:29] <rjanja> Primer, just done via "Add Source" to add the folder the strm is in, then browsing that source and opening primer.strm launches it
[22:29] <rjanja> Primer, I was pretty happy to find that the strm files worked too, though I only have a single camera up :)
[22:30] <Primer> rjanja: I was actually looking to make the Pi be a dedicated client for this stream, but considering everything else it can do, it seems to be a shame to waste all of the potential
[22:31] <rjanja> Primer, you could always multipurpose it, I take it you're saving the feed elsewhere and this is just for viewing?
[22:31] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, is libGLESv2.so symlinked somewhere in /usr/lib on raspbian?
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[22:31] <frikinz> no
[22:31] <ShiftPlusOne> hrmph
[22:32] <Primer> rjanja: the "motion" program is what's driving the cameras, and it's saving the feeds when it detects motion. This stream would be just for viewing on my TV
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[22:32] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, is LD_LIBRARY_PATH set?
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[22:32] <Primer> So when my dog starts barking I can switch to it in a pinch and see what's outside
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[22:33] <rjanja> Primer, ahh, cool. yeah, would never recommend anyone try to use a pi as security camera storage device, although it might work, I wouldn't rely on it for that purpose
[22:33] <Primer> I have a Denon receiver which drives my TV. It currently has a PS3 and a DVR plugged into it. The Pi would be the next thing I'd plug into it.
[22:33] <sheldor> is it possible to only overclock specific freqs like h264_freq in /boot/config.txt?
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[22:33] <sheldor> somewhere i read that this doesnt take effect because they all depend on core_freq and must be multiples of it
[22:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Well then... I blame rpi-update.
[22:34] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: no. and I see no reference anywhere of it
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[22:34] <rjanja> Primer, yeah it's white initially and only showing a little bit of image, then a few seconds later it loads completely and stays golden
[22:34] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: you have friends on google having the same problem :) after using rpi-update
[22:34] <rjanja> Primer, what model cameras are those? the resolution looks good
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[22:35] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, I know, I've been googling for a while now, but not getting any solution or workaround that works. I gues making the symlinks would work, but I don't want to resort to that just yet.
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[22:35] <Primer> rjanja: http://www.amazon.com/Swann-Flashing-Built-In-Detection-SWADS-191CAM-US/dp/B005UOS4MC/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_t_1
[22:35] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: yes, always a good reason to understand something
[22:35] * ShiftPlusOne gives Hexxeh a dirty look
[22:35] <Primer> They're connected to 2 capture cards on my server (old dual opteron) in the garage
[22:35] <Hexxeh> huh?
[22:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, heh, nothing. just some possibly rpi-update related woes.
[22:36] * Hexxeh runs
[22:36] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[22:37] <rjanja> Primer, nice
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[22:38] <Primer> rjanja: Right now that machine is sustaining a fairly high load, as I'm using the 'web cam stream' (i.e. mjpeg) for all 5 cameras as the source, feeding vlc's mosaic feature to produce the stream
[22:39] <TAFB> i could never get vlc mosaic to work :(
[22:39] <Primer> it would be ideal if motion's v4l loopback wasn't broken, because then I could have vlc read the v4l devices directly, clones of the v4l devices that motion uses
[22:39] <Primer> TAFB: it took me a while, lots of trial and error, but my stream looks great
[22:40] <TAFB> i'm going to have to figure it out soon though, I have a company with four traffic cameras that want me to put them into a 2x2 web stream :(
[22:40] <CarlFK> Primer: 5 local usb cams?
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[22:40] <Primer> CarlFK: they're not USB, nor do I have a Pi
[22:40] <CarlFK> lol
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[22:40] <Primer> TAFB: http://home.ceregatti.org:8086 try it with vlc or mplayer (wait a few seconds for it to come up)
[22:41] <Primer> CarlFK: I'm here because I plan to use a Pi as a client for that stream
[22:41] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: what does ldconfig -p shows ?
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[22:43] <TAFB> Primer: will try in vlc, one sec.
[22:43] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, everything http://pastebin.com/SXHxEvx5 but I am getting suspicious of this as the culprite https://bugs.launchpad.net/raspbian/+bug/1051459
[22:44] <ShiftPlusOne> so experimenting with LD_DEBUG=libs ldd
[22:44] <TAFB> Primer: works!!! nice dog, cool colours :)
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[22:44] <Primer> TAFB: thanks
[22:44] <TAFB> looks like your fence needs a little work ;)
[22:45] <Primer> that neighbor refuses to share the cost
[22:45] <TAFB> and just piles all his crap against it?
[22:45] <Primer> that too
[22:45] <TAFB> yikes
[22:45] <TAFB> where do you live? weather looks so nice :)
[22:45] <rjanja> Primer, err let me disconnect from your feed then before I forget about it all day lol
[22:45] <rikkib> I gotta move my cam off port 8081 TProxy as google search has found it.
[22:46] <Primer> rjanja: I have FIOS...35m up
[22:46] <Primer> it's no sweat for me :)
[22:46] <rjanja> oh nice
[22:47] <rikkib> 15 minutes to install Debian on a 3.4GHz duel core
[22:47] <IT_Sean> 15 minutes 'till i go home.
[22:47] <rikkib> This second hand machine is faster that anything else I have here
[22:48] <rikkib> Shows how out of date my machines are
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[22:49] <TAFB> after complaining about the crappy upload speeds to a bunch of places, the local electricity/hydro company said they would give me one of their secret powerline to ethernet adapters to test!
[22:49] <rikkib> Another crawler added to my host.deny crawl-66-249-76-194.googlebot.com
[22:49] <TAFB> they are rolling out a new internet over power line service, but it's secret! lol
[22:50] <TAFB> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2425141864.png
[22:50] <TAFB> check out that for upload speed :)
[22:50] <Primer> nice
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[22:51] <piney> thats asynchronous the opposite way, nice speed though
[22:51] <TAFB> it has "6 channels", you can config it for upload/download any way you want, and that test is config'd for 1 channel download and 5 channel upload :)
[22:51] <piney> 6ms ping is nice too
[22:52] <kuraiou> holy hell, TAFB.
[22:52] <Primer> How is it your download is limited though?
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[22:52] <Primer> http://ceregatti.org/download.old/images/bw.png
[22:52] <Primer> there's mine
[22:53] <TAFB> Primer: you just pick how much you want for download and how much for upload, that's set to "1" for download and "5" for upload!
[22:53] <TAFB> here's my normal internet connection: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2376827100.png
[22:53] <TAFB> Primer: nice, great speeds :)
[22:54] <Primer> I encoded a 1+ hour video, came out to just over 2G, uploaded it to YT in 8 minutes
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[22:54] <TAFB> yeah, I've been doing a lot of 1080p video lately, and the 2mbps upload speed was killing me :(
[22:54] <Primer> Ok, so...ordering a Pi...seems that element14 is out of them
[22:54] <pfdotn> My phone socket at home is corroding. Instead of my DSL connection sync'ing at ~20Mbit, it struggles to get 3.
[22:54] <Primer> I had actually ordered it, then my order showed "backorder"
[22:55] <Primer> so I canceled it
[22:55] <Primer> pfdotn: I don't think DSL was ever a good idea
[22:55] <TAFB> I ended up having to bump all my videos down to 720p just so they wouldn't take forever to upload :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHPGnl7vpB0&hd=1
[22:55] <piney> newark.com says they have 2 in stock (an element14 company)
[22:56] <TAFB> canada.newark.com says they have 2,000 in stock :)
[22:56] <pfdotn> Primer: Neither do I. Unfortunately our FTTH service isn't available here in Australia yet.
[22:56] <Primer> TAFB: sigh...my wife made me give up motorcycles once we had kids
[22:56] <piney> i ordered mine friday, they arrived today from newark.com
[22:56] <TAFB> Primer: you will get them back once the kids go to college, no worries :)
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[22:57] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, ah, known issue in #archlinux-arm
[22:57] <Primer> my youngest is 10
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[22:57] <Primer> so it'll be a while
[22:58] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: well done!
[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, actually I am not sure if it was a reply to be or to someone else... >.>
[22:58] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: and now you can do your links if you want to use tvservice :)
[22:58] <piney> Primer, get a dirtbike or a few to ride with the kids :)
[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, no, there is no solution to the problem yet >_<
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[22:59] <Primer> piney: convincing the wife will be the hardest part
[22:59] <TAFB> Primer: get the wife a DRZ400, she'll love you for ever :)
[23:00] <piney> i had a z400, nice engine
[23:00] <s5fs> i'm hoping to unload my ninja zx6 this spring and buy an old 70s bike for city use
[23:01] <TAFB> i know if I had a DRZ400 I wouldn't keep my license for very long. I have enough trouble keeping it with my R1 :)
[23:01] <piney> s5fs, what kind of 70's bike you looking at?
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[23:02] <piney> r1 blue is such a sweet color
[23:02] <s5fs> piney: prob a smaller cb or xs
[23:03] <piney> s5fs, nice, i gave a buddy a '73 cb175 last week that he is doing the cafe racer thing to
[23:03] <s5fs> yeah, cb175 is a great little bike, that's very close to what i want, and what i want to do.
[23:03] <TAFB> piney: I had an R6 that was identical colours :) http://tafb.xxx/r6/JamieJul04th2010_NiagaraFalls.jpg
[23:03] <piney> i have a '74 RD350 im going to be riding this summer
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[23:04] <s5fs> rd is 2-stoke, correct?
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[23:04] <piney> s5fs, yes
[23:04] <piney> TAFB, nice bike
[23:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, you are hereby absolved of all guilt. It's an ld.so.cache problem.
[23:04] <s5fs> ah, love the sound, hate the smell.
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[23:04] <dassouki> is it possible to create a gps tracker out of the pi? i hike lot, and i would like to build a gps tracker that tracks all my moves, indicates when batteries need to be changed or sd cards needto be modified.
[23:04] <piney> i love the sound / blue smoke and smell :)
[23:04] <dassouki> it has to fit in a bag and that's about it
[23:05] <Hexxeh> ShiftPlusOne: hurrah
[23:05] <piney> dassouki, sounds possible to me
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[23:06] <piney> dassouki, http://www.milos.ivanovic.co.nz/blog/252 that person did gps tracking over 3g, might be of help
[23:06] <s5fs> piney: i'm in portland oregon usa, smokey bikes draw hippie ire
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[23:07] <SpeedEvil> the pi is mutrderously expensive I. terms of battery life
[23:07] <piney> s5fs, i could see that. :(
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> if you want it on 24*7
[23:07] <piney> not a problem around here
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[23:07] <SpeedEvil> there are much better canned solutions
[23:09] <johnc_> the pi doesn't have a battery, wut?
[23:09] <pfdotn> wait, what, the pi doesn't have an integrated lcd display?
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[23:11] <Hexxeh> wait, WHAT? the pi doesn't have a build in nuclear reactor? piece of crap... :(
[23:11] <Hodapp> wait, you can't run Windows 8 on a Pi?
[23:11] <Hodapp> DUMB
[23:11] <Torikun> They sold almost 1 million Pi's
[23:12] <Torikun> actually half a million
[23:12] <johnc_> they're selling as fast as they are produced afaik
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[23:12] <frikinz> Oh fedora 18 will be supported for 2 arm architectures. armv5 and ..
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[23:12] <frikinz> arvm7 lol
[23:13] <krrrcks> hi. i have the raspbian image with the 3.2.27+ kernel running. I want to use a LM75 temperature sensor and I am lacking the kernel module for that sensor (it's not in the image). What's the best/shortest way to get this module running in my raspberry pi?
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[23:14] <MalMen> hello
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[23:15] <MalMen> its possible to use for exammple virtualbox to emulate raspberry, and then save the image of virtualbox to put on raspb ?
[23:15] <johnc_> no
[23:15] <ShiftPlusOne> MalMen, virtualbox doesn't do arm. You can use qemu.
[23:15] <johnc_> virtualbox is virtualization NOT emulation
[23:16] <MalMen> hmm
[23:16] <MalMen> and with qemu its possible do that ?
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[23:16] <MalMen> configure my distro on my computer, and the put all image on sdcard ?
[23:17] <johnc_> qemu is an emulator so yes
[23:17] <johnc_> it's also slow
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[23:17] <frikinz> and has a few bugs
[23:17] <johnc_> (qemu is what powers the android emulator on PC)
[23:17] <s5fs> MalMen: what are you after, anyways?
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[23:17] <rikkib> Hexxeh, Any interesting news on the kernel/raspbian front?
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[23:19] <Hexxeh> rikkib: nothing i'm aware of, but i've not been paying too close attention
[23:19] <MalMen> i dont have here a rasp.. i want to create here a end user image to install on work
[23:19] <rikkib> Hmm
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[23:19] <MalMen> tomorrow i will work in my house
[23:19] <swart> any ideas about SD cards? I tried various ones on the wiki, couldn't get any to work. finally got a sandisk 8Gb pre-loaded disk from Pi Hut, which worked great. but now I only have one working disk :)
[23:19] <swart> I was using dd on a 2009 macbook pro. thinking maybe that was the issue
[23:20] <krrrcks> swart: i had no problems with different even old sd cards.
[23:20] <krrrcks> used dd on a ubuntu box
[23:20] <swart> did you use a usb sd drive?
[23:20] * rikkib got call from gate opener client... Coming back from holiday and he wants to start pushing ahead the proof of concept project soon.
[23:20] <frikinz> MalMen: do you want a specific distro?
[23:20] <krrrcks> no, my notebook has a sd slot
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[23:20] <dassouki> piney: thanks for the link
[23:21] <swart> the mac one is pcie and it's invisible to vmware
[23:21] <swart> I'm thinking I should just get a usb one and try with that
[23:21] <Torikun> i use a new sandisk 8GB and and old sandisk 256mb, worked great
[23:21] <swart> the good news is I have a stack of about 6 I can use for anything but raspi :)
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[23:21] <krrrcks> swart: what kind of "error" do you see? just not working or any message oder error?
[23:22] <swart> just no green light
[23:22] <swart> won't boot at all
[23:23] <krrrcks> well ... strange. but if you insert the card in the notebook do you see what you transfered there?
[23:23] <swart> no the notebook sees it as an unrecognized file system
[23:23] <swart> it would be better to use a linux notebook
[23:23] <tac-tics> Can I run a bitmining operation out of my parent's basement with a cluster of Raspberry Pis?
[23:24] <krrrcks> swart: Well ... as I am informed the "raspbian" installer image ist just an normal FAT partitition on the SD disc. you should see it even with macos I suppose.
[23:24] <rikkib> Oh no a cellar dweller geek :)
[23:25] <rikkib> haha
[23:25] <krrrcks> swart: after installation ist should be a FAT partition with the kernel and such and a linux partition (ext* or something) with the rootfs.
[23:25] <tac-tics> rikkib: heh, that's a cute name for it
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[23:25] <krrrcks> swart: all should be visible with your notebook.
[23:25] <odo2063> hi
[23:26] <swart> krrrcks: thanks. it sounds like the mac dd isn't working correctly then
[23:26] <rikkib> Cellar dweller is an old term used on Usenet
[23:26] <johnc_> krrrcks: it has to be mounted somewhere to see it but yea
[23:26] <swart> for some reason I thought it was a linux file system
[23:27] <odo2063> i have a question about the line in the config that tells the RPi with how much MHz it should run. has somebody tested how slow you can it make?
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[23:27] <swart> you could run x11
[23:27] <swart> that slows things down everywhere
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[23:28] <odo2063> swart, was that for me?
[23:28] <rikkib> Usually a bit derogatory referring to geeks living in their parents basement with way to much to say on Usenet......
[23:28] <swart> odo2063: sorry it was just a joke :)
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[23:28] <krrrcks> swart: Perhaps you could pay http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller a visit. It's the image I used.
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[23:29] <swart> krrrcks: yes I think I tried that one
[23:29] <swart> it looks like there are some great options out there
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[23:30] <odo2063> swart, i want to use the RPi as POC plattform, and the planned Platform has a ARM with ~300MHz so just want to ask if somebody has tested this already.
[23:30] <rikkib> Hmmm I have misplaced a 2gb class 4 sd card...
[23:31] * rikkib scratches his head
[23:31] <bruce927> For some reason, after resizing the root-fs and running apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; on a newly installed raspbian install, after rebooting it won't let me login with the pi account.
[23:31] <Hodapp> I long for the day when I can just run to the grocery and buy a bag of SD cards by the pound.
[23:31] <krrrcks> bruce927: But you still get the login message on the console?
[23:32] <odo2063> Hodapp, so you dont life in asia i guess :-)
[23:32] <bruce927> Well I'm trying to ssh in using the command that worked fine before
[23:32] <Hodapp> odo2063: Nope.
[23:32] <bruce927> On my TV the login prompt is there too
[23:32] <krrrcks> bruce927: Okay, when you try the ssh, what message do you get from the system?
[23:33] <rikkib> ah ha... Found it under the junk on my desk
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[23:34] <kslater> anyone able to discuss how the network installer works for raspbmx?
[23:34] <bruce927> http://pastebin.com/g8BdBNyK this is the command/output
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[23:35] <krrrcks> bruce927: And when you try to login at the console?
[23:35] <krrrcks> bruce927: not via ssh
[23:36] <bruce927> Oh, I just fixed it by deleting ~/.ssh/known_hosts ???somehow
[23:36] <frikinz> bruce927: and stop using sudo for that
[23:36] <frikinz> normal users can ssh
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> lies, use sudo for everything
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> you can even 'sudo sudo', but incase
[23:37] <odo2063> better sudo -i
[23:37] <bruce927> I was just seeing if running it under sudo would help
[23:37] <johnc_> are we not supposed to use root for everything?
[23:37] * johnc_ ducks
[23:37] <krrrcks> johnc_: The root of all evil?
[23:37] <bruce927> Still don't get why deleting the ssh known hosts file worked, but I'll take it
[23:37] <odo2063> yeah its the "root" of all evil!
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[23:38] <krrrcks> bruce927: So problem "solved"?
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[23:38] <rikkib> ssh strict mode
[23:38] <defsdoor> bruce927, out you didnt get any complains from your ssh client that the host keys were different ?
[23:38] <frikinz> so strict that it doesn't even tell you the problem :)
[23:38] <rikkib> is the answer to why you need to delete the contents of that file
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[23:39] <rikkib> to make ssh go
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[23:39] <bruce927> the only output ssh gave aside from a password prompt was the first time when it asked me whether to allow the connection.
[23:39] <bruce927> Then after doing a few things on the pi it just didn't want to know
[23:40] <swart> you can do ssh -v or ssh -vv to get more diagnostic info
[23:40] <rikkib> The best way to make ssh behave is to use certificates
[23:41] <bruce927> Oh yeah, I hadn't thought of that swart. Oops...
[23:41] <defsdoor> bruce927, ssh client on what platform ?
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[23:41] <risc> hi all
[23:41] <bruce927> default os x ssh defsdoor
[23:42] <defsdoor> hmm - that openssh then isnt it ? - or is it freebsd ssh ?
[23:43] <bruce927> openssh
[23:43] <bruce927> According to man ssh at least
[23:44] <swart> openssh was written by the openbsd guys - isn't freebsd using that?
[23:44] <swart> linux does too
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[23:44] <defsdoor> I vaguely recall there being 2 different ones at some point
[23:45] <rikkib> Debian 6 uses openssh
[23:45] <swart> I don't think anyone but sun uses the original ssh program
[23:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Pretty sure a lot of 'linux stuff' comes from openbsd
[23:45] <s5fs> ShiftPlusOne: in what sense?
[23:45] <swart> well the commercial unixes all use original ssh. except os x
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[23:46] <risc> swart: I hope not, that was exploited years ago ;)
[23:46] <ShiftPlusOne> in the sense that the openbsd guys have developed some handy stuff that's universalish now. Not sure though
[23:46] <s5fs> i know there's some cross-over from bsd to linux, but not as much as i expected
[23:46] <risc> and my Sun box uses OpenSSH
[23:47] <frikinz> don't know if it was OPENbsd but for sure bsd were the first to really work
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[23:47] <s5fs> risc: newer sun box? for years solaris didn't provide gnu utils, making it a bear to use.
[23:47] <swart> man ssh on solaris 10 (Last change 3 May 2008) doesn't say anything about openssh
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[23:47] <risc> s5fs: Ultra 45 with Solaris 10 u10
[23:47] <swart> we are using the nastiest old sun stuff possible. corporate IT standards demand nastiness
[23:48] <risc> there are plenty of GNU tools in Solaris now
[23:48] <s5fs> swart: that was my world, solaris 7 and 8
[23:48] <swart> I refuse to use CDT though. so I run a virtual linux environment just so I have a decent x server
[23:49] <risc> Solaris has shipped CSRG (BSD) addons for years too
[23:49] <s5fs> all my sun boxes were headless, but i did have to remote x to install some apps since they had java gui installers
[23:49] * rikkib comes from the era when downloading Slackware install floppy took a day... Yen moved to Debian and there I stayed.
[23:50] <rikkib> /s/yen/then
[23:50] <rikkib> when
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[23:50] <risc> :)
[23:50] <rikkib> ug
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[23:50] <s5fs> "i'm having trouble getting yggdrasil working on my pi, anyone had luck here?"
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[23:50] <rikkib> ug twice
[23:50] <risc> :D
[23:50] <risc> s5fs: you win :)
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[23:51] <s5fs> risc: haha, i win one year of forced emacs usage (or worse, vim-tiny)
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[23:52] * rikkib is wondering where to put the new machine I just installed Debian on to... Think I will move it to the garage in front of my workshop.
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[23:59] <nemo> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTI3MTA So I learned of this recently

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