#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-10

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[0:00] <nemo> I was wondering if anyone had tried it on the pi
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[0:00] <risc> I love that website, it has the most retarded forum users ever :)
[0:00] <TAFB> lol, sounds like they are 7zipping your ram :)
[0:00] <risc> they bring fanboys to the next level :)
[0:01] <nemo> TAFB: well. using 7zip might be a tad inefficient
[0:01] <nemo> TAFB: most likely just zlib
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[0:01] <frikinz> I hardly use swap
[0:02] <nemo> TAFB: I guess logic is you're more likely to be I/O bound, so processor cycles can be thrown at cutting that down
[0:02] <nemo> frikinz: I imagine it depends on what the Pi is used for :)
[0:02] <TAFB> I was using 7zip to compress my 120gb SSD images from my Pi, takes forever but the compression is awesome :)
[0:02] <TAFB> 120gb down to 5.6gb :)
[0:02] <nemo> TAFB: eh. that doesn't sound that dramatic for an image
[0:03] <nemo> TAFB: would be interesting to see how zlib did
[0:03] * rikkib found space for new cam files server... My Debian machine for Rpi devel back in its right place.
[0:03] <nemo> but. anyway. different situation obv
[0:04] * nemo tries compressing a 2GiB image to compare
[0:04] <TAFB> i tried regular windows zip, was 8.3gb, so I was pretty impressed. winzip took 1 hour 31 mins and 7zip around 4 hours.
[0:04] <rikkib> Now to make a sd card on 2gb card with just boot configured for nfs
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[0:06] <jacekowski> how long does it take to get the key for mpeg2?
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[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne> jacekowski, depends, it's not an automated proccess.
[0:07] <nemo> TAFB: BTW, you remembered to zero the disc before compressing right?
[0:08] <TAFB> nemo: didn't want to 0 it and cause more write cycles to the SSD ;)
[0:08] <nemo> TAFB: ... if you're storing disc images of the SSD, presumably you are storing those elsewhere
[0:08] <nemo> TAFB: I said zero before compression, not before creating the image
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[0:09] <TAFB> zeroing the main drive which is SSD would cause additional write cycles I didn't want.
[0:09] <nemo> the drive you are storing the images on is also an SSD? :) heh.
[0:09] <TAFB> nope, windows samba share :)
[0:09] <jacekowski> trim?
[0:09] <nemo> well anyway. just one more write cycle compared to copying the image over. big deal. in the scheme of things, basically irrelevant
[0:10] <jacekowski> besides one extra write cycle is nothing
[0:10] <nemo> TAFB: ok. so. then it doesn't matter. make the image. mount it, zero it, compress it.
[0:10] <jacekowski> but looking into trim may be good idea
[0:10] <TAFB> how can I mount the .img from my windows samba share?
[0:11] <jacekowski> losetup
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[0:11] <jacekowski> or
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[0:11] <jacekowski> mount -o loop /path/to/image.img /mnt/somewhere
[0:11] <nemo> TAFB: um. from a linux boot is how *I'd* do it
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[0:11] <nemo> jacekowski: yeah that :)
[0:11] <ShiftPlusOne> use -o offset=? if needed
[0:11] <nemo> but if you're a windows user. *shrug*
[0:11] <odo2063> TAFB, mount the samba share correctly to the root-tree
[0:11] <TAFB> ahhh, nice. didn't know I could mount the .img's :)
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[0:11] <ShiftPlusOne> but why not just tar.gz the files anyway?
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[0:12] <nemo> ShiftPlusOne: well, sometimes an image is more convenient, in terms of storing absolutely everything 'bout a filesystem
[0:12] <TAFB> i tried gzipping it on the way over, but the slow Pi cpu, plus didn't get good compression, = no thanks.
[0:12] <nemo> ShiftPlusOne: tar can't preserve every lil' ext4 flag
[0:12] <pksato> TAFB: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=28860
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[0:13] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
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[0:14] <jacekowski> you're talking about like 8GB card?
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[0:14] <TAFB> i had so many problems with ext4 on Arch, kernel update kept not wanting to boot from ext4! I had to make separate /boot partition ext3 then it works
[0:14] <nemo> ShiftPlusOne: dd + gzip + nc - I've used that like half a dozen times at work now as I migrate my install from machine to machine :)
[0:14] <jacekowski> even pi is fast enough to compress that on the fly
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[0:14] <jacekowski> rsync ftw
[0:14] <ShiftPlusOne> nc?
[0:14] <jacekowski> ShiftPlusOne: netcat
[0:15] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[0:15] <nemo> ShiftPlusOne: I love how linux jumps on the new hardware, shrugs, and keeps on running. Try that w/ a windows machine w/o choking on changes in hardware :)
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[0:15] <ShiftPlusOne> I used to use clonezilla, but do the same thing as you nowadays (without the nc)
[0:16] <jacekowski> nemo: there is another side to that
[0:16] <jacekowski> nemo: on linux devices may change places
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[0:16] <jacekowski> nemo: and suddenly your eth0 may swap with eth1
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[0:16] <nemo> jacekowski: yeah, that has happened :)
[0:16] <defsdoor> jacekowski, udev rules should prevent that
[0:16] <nemo> jacekowski: I didn't bother changing that
[0:17] <defsdoor> it binds the mac address
[0:17] <nemo> defsdoor: yeah. easy enough to fix. just didn't care
[0:17] <jacekowski> that was just an example
[0:17] <defsdoor> shouldnt need to fix - they auto create
[0:17] <jacekowski> and udev is fairly new thing
[0:17] <jacekowski> and udev stores only very small part of the hardware information
[0:17] <nemo> defsdoor: um. udev rule should create a new eth for your new cards
[0:17] <nemo> defsdoor: so eth0 eth1 would become eth2 eth3
[0:18] <nemo> which isn't that big a deal unless you have some iptable rules that care
[0:18] <nemo> which I didn't
[0:18] <jacekowski> defsdoor: i've seen that udev thing go wrong few times
[0:18] <jacekowski> in it's early days
[0:18] <defsdoor> nemo - fur sure - new nics will get new dev name
[0:18] <nemo> defsdoor: occasionally I do accidentally type eth0, but still haven't bothered fixing :)
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[0:19] <defsdoor> edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and remove ADDR{address}=="mac address",
[0:19] <defsdoor> and all nics of same type will be eth0
[0:19] <nemo> that involves typing :D
[0:20] <defsdoor> I have issues with it on VMs - we dont bind mac addresses and occasionally the virtual nic wil get a different mac address
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[0:20] <nemo> defsdoor: we have no choice but to bind macs. morons running the network here just added mac address lockdown to everything
[0:20] <nemo> including VM
[0:20] <nemo> defsdoor: I joked that we should have spawned 300 extra VMs a couple of months ago to give ups some breathing room
[0:20] <defsdoor> nemo - yeah because you can't fake mac addresses....
[0:20] <nemo> defsdoor: now every stupid VM requires paperwork and countersigns
[0:21] <nemo> defsdoor: yeah. I know, right? :)
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[0:21] <nemo> defsdoor: gee. now when I plug my laptop in, I have to glance at the back of another computer before plugging it in :)
[0:21] <defsdoor> anyone with access to a network port can kick any server off the network if they so desire
[0:21] <nemo> is funny that there are people who still think mac filtering is a decent wifi security measure
[0:22] <defsdoor> unless you have bind macs to switch ports also
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[0:22] <nemo> defsdoor: well. the servers are on a different network. which makes the filtering of the VMs all the dumber
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[0:23] <defsdoor> yeah - but they could kick a pc with a privileged mac address off (the default behaviour) etc.. still
[0:23] <nemo> defsdoor: oh. that. probably...
[0:23] <nemo> defsdoor: they've been experimenting w/ this for some time, and we were exploring the parameters of its bizaareness when adding a dev machine to a local drop
[0:23] <defsdoor> hardware level security is just a hiding to nothing
[0:23] <defsdoor> at some point to have to have trust
[0:23] <nemo> defsdoor: like. we'd move the machine to another cubicle and it would stop working until we fiddled w/ macs
[0:24] <nemo> defsdoor: it's all security in name only. they did an audit of our linux VM, and wanted to know why it didn't have antivirus
[0:24] <defsdoor> ffs - you some high security government outfit or something ?
[0:24] <defsdoor> haha
[0:24] <nemo> defsdoor: so I installed clamav on it - then they wanted to know why we weren't paying for that antivirus
[0:24] <defsdoor> haha
[0:24] <defsdoor> can't be good if you dont pay
[0:24] <nemo> yep!
[0:24] <nemo> I thought I should have pressed that point just to toss a few bucks in the dir of FOSS
[0:24] <jacekowski> clamav is beyond useless
[0:24] <nemo> ah well
[0:24] <defsdoor> I started new job in feb - total windows outfit
[0:25] <defsdoor> got 20+ linux servers there now :)
[0:25] <nemo> jacekowski: eh. its hit rate isn't terrible. in my tests on virustotal, it doesn't fail any more often than the big boys really
[0:25] <nemo> jacekowski: IMO they are all useless
[0:25] <defsdoor> we had windows only policy regardless
[0:25] <nemo> anyway, point is, it was a linux server :)
[0:25] <jacekowski> nemo: so?
[0:25] <jacekowski> nemo: software running on linux is just as exploitable
[0:25] <defsdoor> so we were running stuff like mediawiki and mysql and otrs (bug perl web app) etc.. on windows
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[0:26] <nemo> jacekowski: duh? not many virus signatures for linux is my point.
[0:26] <jacekowski> nemo: heurstics
[0:26] <nemo> ???
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[0:26] <defsdoor> jacekowski, clamav is cool - I use it for email filtering and phishing signatures etc.. on the spam filter
[0:27] <jacekowski> i'm just saying that most of the "windows" bugs/viruses/malware gets in through 3rd party software
[0:27] <nemo> jacekowski: orly
[0:27] <jacekowski> like flash player
[0:27] <nemo> how did you come to this insight? :)
[0:27] <jacekowski> and same bugs exist in windows and linux versions
[0:27] <nemo> anyway. these are servers
[0:27] <nemo> not supposed to have web browsers on 'em
[0:27] <defsdoor> I'm not aware of flash player bourne virus in a long time
[0:27] <nemo> certainly not supposed to be using 'em
[0:28] <nemo> and regardless. 91% marketshare means most people are targetting that.
[0:28] <jacekowski> defsdoor: may was the last one
[0:28] <s5fs> adobe software is full of holes
[0:28] <nemo> actually, we do have web browser on the windows server. can't really get rid of mshtml unfortunately
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[0:28] <s5fs> not java-bad, but still not a great track record
[0:28] <defsdoor> and the whole issue of viruses is mute because you have to chmod a file to make it executable - it's not based on file name/extension
[0:28] <nemo> defsdoor: s/mute/moot/
[0:28] <defsdoor> and if you are stupid enough to do that - you deserve a virus
[0:28] <jacekowski> defsdoor: yes and no
[0:29] <s5fs> the point is "moo", meaning it's a cow's opinion
[0:29] <nemo> defsdoor: an exploitable flaw in flash could certainly result in compromise under linux if it allows local filesystem privs
[0:29] <johnc_> does the QT ui framework work on pi or do you have to use the QtonPi project instead?
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[0:29] <nemo> defsdoor: ofc, odds anyone is actually trying it, pretty small.
[0:29] <jacekowski> defsdoor: if it exploits running process it can execute it's code in context of that process
[0:29] <nemo> and for server, still silly.
[0:30] <nemo> and if they did manage to target that combination w/ such professionalism, virus scan sure as hell ain't stoppin' 'em
[0:30] <defsdoor> jacekowski, you've already got the virus if you are running something that does a further exploit
[0:30] <defsdoor> buffer overrun etc..
[0:31] <nemo> defsdoor: thing is, these audits are all about checkboxes. the people running the auditing companies barely comprehend what the checkboxes are
[0:31] <defsdoor> it's preventing the running of something in the first place - unless it's trusted - thats key
[0:31] <nemo> defsdoor: the irritating thing is that their goal is usually to get a "pass with recommendation for fixes" that way they look like they did something, and can also recommend their services
[0:31] <jacekowski> defsdoor: and windows has ACLs (kinda like chmods on steroids) and execute permission in them
[0:31] <defsdoor> that half the reason m$ want to certify everything in win8
[0:31] <nemo> defsdoor: usually is best to give them some stuff to satisfy 'em
[0:31] <jacekowski> defsdoor: but you have "trusted" application running
[0:31] <defsdoor> (the other reason is they want money for app distribution)
[0:32] <nemo> jacekowski: can run selinux if you enjoy ACLs
[0:32] <jacekowski> defsdoor: except that application has a bug in it that allows remote code execution
[0:32] <defsdoor> jacekowski, regardless - if I save a file with .exe - i can run it without doing anything to make it runnable
[0:32] <jacekowski> no need for chmods or anthing
[0:32] <jacekowski> defsdoor: by default
[0:32] <jacekowski> defsdoor: that can be changed
[0:32] * rikkib runs totally unfiltered email here
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[0:32] <jacekowski> windows has options for very heavy enforcing
[0:33] <defsdoor> thats how 90% of all windows viruses have been delivered until recent years - attachments that idiots run think they are opening them in excel or something
[0:33] <Torikun> or porn
[0:33] <jacekowski> including things like checking signatures of every single executable and allowing only properly signed executables to run
[0:34] * rikkib gets no spam... I wonder why? Oh that is right am a nasty spam fighter. My domain is actually on a few do not spam lists due to my activities.
[0:34] <jacekowski> or run only executables from %windir% ( and %windir% is read only to users)
[0:34] <nemo> jacekowski: linux too. obv not always convenient to do
[0:34] <jacekowski> i'm just saying that when it comes to what can be done, there is not much of a difference between linux and windows
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[0:34] <nemo> jacekowski: windows 8 has gotten more serious on the run privileges front. doesn't change the fact they are still the primary target
[0:35] <nemo> jacekowski: apart from that 92% marketshare
[0:35] <nemo> jacekowski: if you are browsing online, even in a fully patched windows 7, using up to date IE9 or Firefox or Chrome
[0:35] <nemo> you are still going to be more vulnerable
[0:35] <nemo> anyway, this all deviates from laughability of the security audit, which was just a tangent on the stupid measures they deploy over ehre
[0:35] <jacekowski> where do you work?
[0:35] <nemo> well. probably 90 or 91% now, but still
[0:35] <rikkib> http://krebsonsecurity.com/tag/peter-bennett/
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[0:39] <s5fs> rikkib: how many users are you hosting email for?
[0:39] <rikkib> 1
[0:39] <s5fs> oh, and what are you running for a mail server?
[0:39] <rikkib> me
[0:39] <s5fs> haha
[0:39] <s5fs> gotcha
[0:39] <rikkib> sendmail
[0:40] <s5fs> i'm using google apps for my personal domain, got sick of hosting email myself
[0:40] <nemo> rikkib: aw. was going to make a joke about handcrafting using netcat
[0:40] <nemo> rikkib: postfix personally :)
[0:40] <rikkib> here on my home adsl with fixed ip
[0:40] <pfdotn> rikkib: Who provides your backup mx?
[0:40] <nemo> pfdotn: eh. mail retries.
[0:40] <s5fs> pfdotn: the remote mta, haha
[0:40] <rikkib> none
[0:40] <nemo> s5fs: 'sactly
[0:40] <ShiftPlusOne> s5fs, using google for my domain email as well. Mostly because I couldn't set it up myself >.>
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[0:40] <nemo> pfdotn: I'm rarely in that much of a hurry to read an e-mail :)
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[0:41] <nemo> pfdotn: hell, I use greylisting
[0:41] <pfdotn> nemo: Each to their own. :-)
[0:41] <rikkib> If my machine is off line I don't get email until it is resent
[0:41] <rikkib> and the machine is up
[0:41] <nemo> rikkib: my uptime is way better than my hosted site's tho :)
[0:41] <nemo> rikkib: considerably better than 99.9
[0:42] <rikkib> My uptime is real good
[0:42] <s5fs> ShiftPlusOne: i did years and years of email admin on various systems, i'm sick to death of it. running my own mail server sounds a heck of a lot like work
[0:42] <KingPin> hello all, does anyone have any idea what the R-PI's power requirements are? i.e. what amp output power adapter should I use with it?
[0:42] <nemo> s5fs: huh. why? only is work if there are new users and whatnot
[0:42] <nemo> s5fs: most of the time it just runs itself
[0:42] <rikkib> adsl is pretty stable here only 500 meters from exchange
[0:42] <nemo> I occasionally tail -f the mail log just to watch my messages go out, but apart from that...
[0:43] <pfdotn> I'm with you, s5fs. If it's for yourself, palm that crap off.
[0:43] <nemo> one reason to run your own, is if you are concerned about privacy laws in your country
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[0:43] <rikkib> I have been with my current isp since 2005...
[0:43] <s5fs> nemo: the system doesn't install nor manage itself, likey won't support activesync, on and on. i spend my free time extending my skills and i find email administration to be something i'm already competent enough with.
[0:43] <nemo> in the US ISPs can snoop on mail if you use their server
[0:43] <pfdotn> nemo: ...then you're hosting it in your own country.
[0:43] <nemo> but aren't legally allowed to do so if they are just a pipe
[0:43] <nemo> but I mostly do it for fun
[0:44] <rikkib> I have fixed ip and rdns and run all my own services as all geeks should
[0:44] <plugwash> the biggest problem with running ones own mailserver is spam :(
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[0:44] <plugwash> people whos fulltime job is running mailservers can put a lot more effort into keeping up with the latest spam filtering methods
[0:44] <nemo> plugwash: I don't get very much. just greylisting and some basic postfix rules. sbl/xbl - pbl irritates me
[0:44] <pfdotn> rikkib: It's good experience, good practice, sure maybe even fun for a while. But when you do it for enterprise, the last thing you want to do is come home and administer your own stuff.
[0:44] <rikkib> I am Anony Mouse the nastiest spam fighter in NZ
[0:44] <ohhmaar> if i'm setting up the raspi as a web server should i go with the traditional PHP webserver or pancakehttp?
[0:45] <Torikun> nginx
[0:45] <nemo> plugwash: I've run spamassassin, and the defaults worked damn well. and only took like half an hour to setup
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[0:45] <Torikun> and php-fpm
[0:45] <plugwash> nemo, yeah my main email address is all over the internet :(
[0:45] <nemo> plugwash: interestingly, spamsassasin was more reliable than the spam service our company at the time had been using before they asked me to setup that relay
[0:45] <nemo> plugwash: so is mine, is in the credits for hedgewars :)
[0:45] <rikkib> pfdotn, I have been doing both for years
[0:45] <plugwash> I do run my own mailserver but I get a lot of spam and I do wonder sometimes if hosted would be easier
[0:46] <s5fs> nemo: iirc, spamassassin is based on bayesian filtering, correct? if so, that too requires ongoing training so it can learn what you consider ham vs spam.
[0:46] <plugwash> ahh hedgewars
[0:46] <nemo> plugwash: more reliable in that it wasn't swallowing NASA mail to /dev/null and still didn't let much spam through
[0:46] <nemo> s5fs: they have an initial weighting system that is damn good
[0:46] <nemo> s5fs: based on a ton of different things
[0:46] <plugwash> was that program a competition to see how many programming languages could be used in one project or something? ;)
[0:46] <pfdotn> rikkib: Then I commend your dedication.
[0:46] <nemo> s5fs: you can toss greylisting in too, but also does things like checking MX record, checking for various headers that were passed in between, sbl/xbl if you add... lots of stuff
[0:46] <pfdotn> In the meantime, I'm happy to have my Exchange services hosted by someone else.
[0:46] <s5fs> nemo: agreed, i'm sure it's great, but to get postini-quality filtering you'll have to make some investment in time
[0:47] <nemo> s5fs: read through it, is pretty cool. anyway. the weightings are configurable too, as is what you do once you trigger one
[0:47] <nemo> s5fs: naw. we did pretty well, and I really didn't spend much more than half an hour. hardly changed the defaults
[0:47] <nemo> s5fs: defaults are pretty heavily tweaked
[0:47] <nemo> mostly just uncommenting stuff I wanted to add
[0:47] * rikkib has been working in the computer industry since it first existed... 8080 PCXT
[0:48] <rikkib> Before that the space invader industry when it came into existance
[0:48] <nemo> TAFB: So, first off, would like to note the reason you got such a good compression ratio was undoubtedly your drive was mostly empty space. zeroing it might have helped further. But. Just for the heck of it, I dumped the first 2 gigs of my not-so-empty drive, to see how the algorithms fared.
[0:48] <nemo> TAFB: dd if=/dev/sda of=test bs=1M count=2048
[0:48] <rikkib> Z80 spacy machines
[0:48] <nemo> TAFB: results for gzip, bzip2, 7z - all on max compression...
[0:48] <nemo> TAFB: gzip 1m25s 67.8% | bzip2 8m44s 67.8%| 7z 9m56 67.4%
[0:48] * pfdotn invented the Internet.
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[0:49] <nemo> TAFB: and that is why they are probably using zlib for swap ;)
[0:49] * AlGore is now known as pfdotn
[0:49] <nemo> TAFB: I'd argue for your drive images, the miniscule amount of space you are probably saving ain't worth taking 10x as much time and CPU heat
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[0:49] <ciphered> hi guys
[0:50] <nemo> TAFB: zeroing can be a big win tho :)
[0:50] <ciphered> does the raspberry have any audio in?
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[0:50] * rikkib works from home with occasional trips to the city when need be...
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[0:51] <nemo> ciphered: usb?
[0:52] <nemo> ciphered: might as well grab a webcam w/ audio, get both for the price of one slot. dirt cheap these days anyway
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[0:53] <ciphered> i want to connect my audio in to the raspberry
[0:53] <ciphered> to record some stuff
[0:53] <ciphered> is this possible?
[0:54] <rikkib> Not without a usb sound card
[0:54] <Essobi> No.
[0:54] <Essobi> what he said
[0:54] <ciphered> cant i use the mic?
[0:54] <Essobi> there's no mic
[0:54] <rikkib> cam mic in mono
[0:54] <ciphered> sorry?
[0:54] <rikkib> usb of course
[0:54] <ciphered> cam mic in mono?
[0:54] <ciphered> what do you mean
[0:55] <rikkib> usb cameras have mic
[0:55] <ciphered> any usb tiny stuff?
[0:55] <ciphered> for audio in
[0:55] <rikkib> No idea
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[0:56] <rikkib> Speaking of mics... Nobody home here and next door... Must crank up the volume and practice guitar and singing today.
[0:57] <Essobi> uhh yea. I've got a plantonics I've used.
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[0:57] <ciphered> instead of the mic i want an input port
[0:58] <ciphered> like audio in where you can put a jack
[0:58] <Essobi> yea
[0:58] <Essobi> that's what mine has
[0:59] <Essobi> stereo out and stereo in
[0:59] <rikkib> Don't think the inventor of RPi intended it to be used for audio recording
[0:59] <ciphered> look at this beauty
[0:59] <ciphered> http://www.google.com.lb/imgres?imgurl=http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3286/2979795890_b29ce48e3e.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mightyohm.com/blog/2008/10/inside-the-syba-sd-cm-uaud-usb-stereo-audio-adapter/&h=375&w=500&sz=49&tbnid=-zK94KegnyV_VM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__Svj5rkSdJvq05SEYscFJSEnLq5A=&docid=lzEHxYyP_ffgjM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MgTuUIjEHobdsgaT_4HQDg&sqi=2&ved=0CEYQ9QEwBQ&dur=994
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[0:59] <ciphered> Essobi: you haev stereo in for your RP?
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[1:02] <rikkib> Nifty little gadget
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[1:04] <sc0tch> Q: Can I power a Model B board via the 5v and gnd pins in GPIO header instead of the micro-usb port?
[1:04] <TAFB> sc0tch: if you like to live dangerous, yep
[1:05] <sc0tch> hmmm. well Danger is my middle name... But my first name is Avoid.
[1:06] <TAFB> lol. just don't mix up the polarity or short pins together.
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[1:06] <FunkyELF> anyone here running squeezebox?
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[1:10] <rikkib> Ok 2gb sd card with just boot contents on it... Next stage make a nfs server go.
[1:11] <rikkib> Lunch time
[1:15] <rikkib> Lunch over
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[1:21] <sc0tch> TAFB, i have GPIO broken out with Pi cobbler on breadboard, working on a circuit that will wake it up and power it via that header. But safety aside regarding correct pins and shorts, it is safe to power the Pi thru that header?
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[1:22] <du> whyat is a header
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[1:24] <sc0tch> du: a collection of grouped pins sharing a same spacing set along a circuitboard.
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[1:34] <poli> sc0tch I actually have the same question, but I will just check if the USB connector and GND and +5 are connected. If so, I will assume it is safe to power it from the pinhead.
[1:34] <poli> Don't have my circuit tester with me right now, though. :(
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[1:37] <plugwash> powering through the GPIO header is fine just make sure you have some reasonable overcurrent protection in place
[1:39] <ShiftPlusOne> plugwash, hey, for raspbian, did you use a patch to get around this issue (http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15006) or is it just that the version of glibc you're using is unaffected by it?
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[1:39] <jacekowski> that's a good question
[1:39] <jacekowski> is rpi USB port protected as required by usb specificatin?
[1:40] <jacekowski> as in, it will not fail even if all data lines are shorted to Vcc or Vcc is shorted to gnd
[1:40] <jacekowski> for 24h
[1:40] <plugwash> one would hope that SMSC compiled with the spec.........
[1:41] <jacekowski> i've seen a lot of computers and other devices that don't
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[1:41] <jacekowski> i've killed USB port on my beagleboard that way
[1:42] <plugwash> which beagleboard model and which USB port?
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[1:42] <jacekowski> C2 or thereabouts
[1:42] <jacekowski> the one before xM
[1:43] <jacekowski> and it only had one host usb port
[1:44] <plugwash> ShiftPlusOne, first i've heard of it but I suspect it was dealt with in debian and we just inherited it from there (Steve McIntyre is one of the main guys behind the debian arm ports btw)
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[1:45] <ShiftPlusOne> plugwash, thanks
[1:45] <jacekowski> anyone brave/stupid enough to test it?
[1:46] <plugwash> jacekowski, right IIRC the host only port (there is also a OTG port that can act as either host or device) on the original model beagleboard was noncompliant in other ways too such as only supporting high speed mode not full or low speed mode
[1:46] <plugwash> I wonder what use TI intended it for
[1:47] <jacekowski> development
[1:48] <plugwash> No I mean I wonder why when they designed the SoC they put on a high speed only port (being high speed only it could never be used as an accessible port in a consumer device)
[1:48] <plugwash> which may be why it was also lacking protection....
[1:48] <jacekowski> iirc it could do low speed as well
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[1:48] <jacekowski> i remember somehow connecting low speed devices to it
[1:48] <jheronimus> Hi, all. Get "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(179,2)" message when trying to boot my RPi running Raspbmc. Does that mean my SD card is dead?
[1:48] <plugwash> did you use a hub?
[1:49] <jacekowski> not as far as i remember
[1:49] <jacekowski> i mean i did use a hub
[1:49] <jacekowski> but the hub itself was the low speed device
[1:49] <plugwash> The reason I asked which bealgleboard was because the XM has a very similar "USB hub with ethernet" to the Pi.
[1:49] <jacekowski> xm was apparently much more robust
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[1:50] <jacekowski> it apparently could do vcc to data lines part of the spec easily
[1:50] <plugwash> which probablly means the same applies to the Pi :)
[1:50] <jacekowski> but there is still vcc do gnd part
[1:50] <plugwash> Vcc to ground on a recent Pi will short the main power rails, if the Pi is fed from the micro USB then damage will be prevented by the polyswitch there
[1:51] <plugwash> but if you power through the GPIO there is no protection on recent Pis (early model Pis had low value polyswitches on the USB port power lines but it was decided they were more trouble than they were worth)
[1:52] <plugwash> So if you do decide to power the Pi through GPIO you should provide some reasonable short circuit protection externally
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[1:53] <plugwash> A hub cannot be low speed only, it has to be either low/full speed or low/full/high speed
[1:54] <jacekowski> it was old hub
[1:54] <jacekowski> as in, one i bought when only usb 1.1 was around
[1:55] <plugwash> hmm
[1:55] <jacekowski> but i think it might have been full speed
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[1:55] <jacekowski> as in, the 1.1 speed
[1:56] <plugwash> well either elinux is wrong, you are misremembering what hub you used or you didn't connect the hub to the dedicated host port (the OTG port could do low/full speed host)
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[1:56] <jacekowski> one thing i'm sure about
[1:56] <jacekowski> i've killed it when i shorted the port out with scope probes
[1:56] <jacekowski> and scope was only 40MSps
[1:57] <jacekowski> and i could see the waveform clearly
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[1:58] <jacekowski> so i'm 100% sure it was not high speed only
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[3:04] <jimboy> hi
[3:04] <pkx> hi, does anyone know of any stores that have pi's for immediate sale by post ?
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[3:07] <jimboy> pkx, go to newark element 14
[3:07] <jimboy> when i purchased it said they had zero in stock
[3:07] <pkx> right.
[3:08] <jimboy> but from the date i ordered, it only took 2 weeks to recieve
[3:08] <Primer> no
[3:08] <jimboy> :)
[3:08] <pkx> oh.
[3:08] <Primer> they didn't have it
[3:08] <pkx> what about adafruit ?
[3:08] <Primer> I ordered and it's on backorder
[3:08] <plugwash> mcm claim to have stock http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-14421
[3:08] <pkx> right.
[3:08] <jimboy> Primer: did you put in an order at element 14?
[3:08] <Primer> so I cancelled and did a google search and ended up on mcm
[3:08] <Primer> jimboy: yes
[3:08] <jimboy> how long ago?
[3:08] <Primer> today
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[3:08] <plugwash> iirc adafruit don't sell the Pi seperately
[3:09] <Primer> and when I checked the status, it read backorder
[3:09] <jimboy> Primer, wait two weeks, you'll get them
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[3:09] <pkx> they have some package, at adafruit ...
[3:09] <pkx> looks helpful ...
[3:09] <Primer> not waiting 2 weeks
[3:12] <Primer> johnc_: btw, I added an audio track to my stream. You still around to try another test?
[3:12] <jimboy> pkx, go to element 14, buy from them
[3:13] <jimboy> Primer: did you see that movie called "Primer"?
[3:13] <Primer> no
[3:13] <jimboy> if you build one of those machines, you can get your raspberry pi yesterday
[3:13] <Primer> heh
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[3:13] <jimboy> otherwise wait 2 weeks, and quit yer complainin'
[3:13] <pkx> ok ...
[3:14] <pkx> they said they have stock at mcm electronics, though ...
[3:14] <pkx> element 14, 0 ...
[3:14] <warddr> Hello, is anyone using his raspberry pi on a network with ipv6 router announcements? My rasbperry pi only gets a V6 at boot and for a V4 I have to run DHCPCD... Anyone simimal experiences?
[3:14] <jimboy> pkx, trust me element 14 has them
[3:14] <pkx> ok ...
[3:14] <pkx> I'll order it there.
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[3:18] <Primer> jimboy: they do not
[3:18] <Primer> I spoke with their people today
[3:18] <dniMretsaM> good evening, Pifaces
[3:18] <Primer> they said pi was on backorder
[3:18] <Primer> so I canceled my order and went to mcm
[3:20] * rikkib is bettin there will be lotsa rpi on ebay and such sooner or later
[3:20] <rikkib> Once people realize
[3:24] <ParkerR_> Once people realize what?
[3:24] <rikkib> What they want to do is not a reality
[3:25] <rikkib> or whatever reason
[3:25] <ParkerR_> Like what?
[3:25] <ParkerR_> There's always something new to be done with the Pi
[3:26] <rikkib> I think in the commercial reality world not in the educational one.
[3:27] <ParkerR_> Commercial reality world?
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[3:27] <rikkib> I can do all I want with an i686 machine with Linux
[3:27] <ParkerR_> What's to say with some work that it can't be done on the Pi?
[3:28] <Primer> I think the Pi is perfect for what I plan to do
[3:28] <rikkib> A cheap alternative for some uses I can think of
[3:28] <rikkib> But a niche market
[3:29] <rikkib> Really? Have you consider the life span of a sd card?
[3:29] <ParkerR_> I still have some SD cards from many years ago
[3:29] <ParkerR_> I don't expect them to die anytime soon
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[3:30] <ParkerR_> And certainly they will last long enough to get my monies worth out of them
[3:30] <ParkerR_> *money's
[3:30] <rikkib> Unless you take steps to reduce the r/w load on the sd card they will last...
[3:30] <rikkib> how long
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[3:31] <rikkib> I have not done the research as it is not worth doing... I intend to use nfs root which I am doing right now
[3:32] <rikkib> Which means in the commercial world another Linux I386 server to support several RPi
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[3:34] <jimboy> Primer, i would never trust anyone who answers a phone
[3:34] <jimboy> they usually don't know where they are or what day it is
[3:35] <Altimeter> rikkib: For what it's worth, the mean time between failures of an SD card seems to be a bit over twice the length of time for a hard drive.
[3:35] <Primer> jimboy: not sure why you're so concerned. The order I placed read "backorder" on it. I connected to their live chat, gave them my order number, asked if it was really on backorder, they said yes, so I canceled the order
[3:35] <Primer> plain and simple
[3:35] <Altimeter> With wear levelling these days, SD cards actually last quite a long time.
[3:35] <pfdotn> Geez, rikkib, you're so negative. There's a thousand or more uses for a Pi in both the commercial, educational and hobbyist markets. Perhaps another platform meets your requirements better, but for a lot of people the Pi is just fine.
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[3:35] <ParkerR_> Element 14 had my order here in 5 days
[3:36] <Primer> except they're out now
[3:36] <ParkerR_> Well
[3:36] <ParkerR_> I thought it was going to ship in December
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[3:36] <alexii> Is it possible to use the gpio of a RPi in place of a usb-tty bridge to control other hardware?
[3:36] <du> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-14421
[3:36] <ParkerR_> Ordered on Nov 23 was here on the 27th
[3:36] <rikkib> Time will tell
[3:36] <du> i ordered 4 from mcmelectronics
[3:36] <Primer> du: and?
[3:36] <ParkerR_> The expected ship was December
[3:36] <rikkib> Is all I am saying
[3:36] <Altimeter> So, I hear "educational uses" for the pi all the time. How many of you use them in an educational setting?
[3:36] <du> and everything was fine
[3:37] <du> gave them away as christmas gifts
[3:37] <Primer> du: once I canceled my order with element14 I did a google search, landed on mcm, and ordered
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[3:37] <Primer> du: Did you follow up with any of them to see if they've been put to use?
[3:38] <pfdotn> Altimeter: I work for a voc ed provider, we're looking at them as a low-cost alternative for our programming students.
[3:38] <rikkib> I own 6 RPi... If I did not think they were not worth it I would not have so many.
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[3:38] <ParkerR_> Ooooh
[3:38] <Torikun> o
[3:38] <Torikun> yo
[3:38] <ParkerR_> Double negatives
[3:38] <ParkerR_> Fun
[3:38] <Primer> my project could potentially use 2, so another might be in my future
[3:38] <du> Primer, not yet. i gave them more to inspire these people to use linux and activate their curiosity with computers
[3:38] <du> so hopefully, that???ll happen
[3:39] <Torikun> du: they will think linux is slow and limited lol
[3:39] <Primer> du: I have a feeling you'll be disappointed
[3:39] <Altimeter> pdfotn: Nice! How are your initial tests holding up?
[3:39] <Altimeter> Er, pfdotn
[3:39] <rikkib> Having watched Linux grow from nothing I have seen similar mistakes being made.
[3:39] <Primer> du: don't get me wrong. I've been a Linux advocate going on 20 years now
[3:40] <Torikun> du: You need to show them a full ubuntu workstation to get them excited
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[3:40] <du> disappointed is a strong word, compared to my emotional investment in it. but i hope it plants a seed, and maybe years from now they???ll realize what they have
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[3:40] <pfdotn> Altimeter: I'm not involved in the project but from what I've heard, the trainers are pretty excited that they can push these things out en masse to their students and have them all sitting in class using them as their "workstation".
[3:41] <du> it???s like buying someone a book, maybe they read it- maybe they don???t. maybe they read it in 5 years
[3:41] <du> or something rekindles their interest and
[3:41] <Torikun> what will the do on the PI du ?
[3:41] <pfdotn> Altimeter: As for their durability, etc, not sure.
[3:41] <Altimeter> The best thing I've done so far for linux advocacy is take an old busted windows machine with virus on its viruses, throw debian squeeze on there, and impress folks that it's actually working.
[3:41] <Altimeter> ...better than our "good" computers.
[3:41] <du> i think the basic thing people are doing with it is media center stuff. buti think that???s a gross oversimplification of what it can be used for.
[3:42] <Torikun> du: it is not even that good for a media center lol
[3:42] <Torikun> I trued
[3:42] <Altimeter> I say "good" exactly in that fashion, since our school has a mixture of late Windows 2000 machines and early Windows XP machines in service in our computer lab.
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[3:42] <Altimeter> The pi is, in many regards, better than a lot of the computers in our lab. :/
[3:42] <Torikun> du: I created a bunch of servers on my pi, was educational for that
[3:42] <rikkib> I doubt the RPi will make an impact in rural NZ school wise... So the 12 - 18 market will not be using them in the next two years at least and maybe never
[3:43] <rikkib> Only when you run Linux in Uni will you gain an interest
[3:43] <pfdotn> One of our managers heard about the Pi and went "Oh that's GREAT, a credit card-sized computer that can do HD video? Our multimedia students will all be carrying these around in their wallets next semester!"
[3:43] <ParkerR_> I beg to differ. The younger you can spark something the better
[3:44] <rikkib> NZ schools are M$
[3:44] <pfdotn> rikkib: So are AU schools. I still learned Python in school.
[3:44] <du> i???m sensing a pinch of skepticism towards the computer
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[3:44] <rikkib> I started with electronics at 12... SWL as well.
[3:44] <rikkib> Read about first computers in mags
[3:45] <rikkib> then radio as a hobby
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[3:46] <du> the rpi is perfect for me because i used to hobble computers together from spare parts, so i can experiment with networking and linux
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[3:46] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[3:47] <rikkib> The RPi is great as a stepping stone to the future of computing, specially Linux.
[3:48] <ParkerR_> Why can't the RPi be the future?
[3:48] <ParkerR_> And not it specifically, but low power low cost devices
[3:48] <rikkib> Much better already exists in the wings.
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[3:50] <rikkib> Other barriers are being broken down such as powering a device with near field
[3:50] <rikkib> Communications with near field is already a reality
[3:50] <ParkerR_> What's wrong with power something with a wire?
[3:50] <ParkerR_> *powering
[3:51] <rikkib> Storage barriers the same
[3:51] <rikkib> Size barriers are being broken all the time
[3:52] <rikkib> It is escalating just like the theories
[3:52] <rikkib> The RPi of the future will be the size of a postage stamp
[3:52] <rikkib> and has no wires
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[3:54] <alexhairyman> rikkib, OR maybe a quad core board the size of the Pi, with a built in HD screen!, and a super fine camera!
[3:55] <rikkib> That is the way is is progressing
[3:55] <rikkib> it
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[3:56] <alexhairyman> rikkib, oh wait, that's called the galaxy SIII
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[3:56] <streetmapp> but i'm testing wtih my ipad tethered to my phone to try externally, but all i get is a 502 error
[3:56] <alexhairyman> rikkib HD screen, 16gb flash, wifi, bluetooth, quad core,
[3:56] <ParkerR_> streetmapp: Umm
[3:57] <ParkerR_> Wrong window maybe
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[3:57] <streetmapp> ?
[3:57] <ParkerR_> streetmapp: You joined back with what seems like a completely random line
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[3:58] <streetmapp> ah maybe my first bit didn't make it through
[3:58] <streetmapp> i got d/c'd fro some reason
[3:58] <streetmapp> first msg:??hey all, so i'm currently working on setting up my pi with nginx, but i want to be able to access it remotely. ??i have my router setup to forward the port. and it's working when i'm connected locally.
[3:58] <ParkerR_> Ahh yeah that didnt go through
[4:00] <pkx> hey, just ordered 2 pi's from newark !
[4:00] <pkx> I'll be back later to chat about them, in a week or so !
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[4:05] <rikkib> 502 maybe bad gateway error generated by your phone
[4:06] <rikkib> or the server itself
[4:07] <rikkib> Been to long since I worked with phones
[4:07] <ParkerR_> rikkib: He left, sadly
[4:07] <rikkib> ahhhh
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[4:08] <rikkib> Mutli tasking
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[4:51] <rikkib> wooop... nfs root working
[4:53] <ParkerR_> Seems like a root folesystem over the network would be pretty slow
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[4:59] <rikkib> With 512 of memory it all loads there... The only I may encounter is file save for jpg images
[4:59] <rikkib> issue
[5:00] <ParkerR_> "The only I may encounter"
[5:00] <ParkerR_> ?
[5:00] <ParkerR_> Only problem?
[5:00] <ParkerR_> Only thing that works?
[5:00] <ParkerR_> :P
[5:02] <ParkerR_> rikkib: You missed a word
[5:03] <piney> then he added it the next line down
[5:03] <rikkib> the only issue I expect to encounter...
[5:03] <ParkerR_> Ohh
[5:03] <ParkerR_> Sorry
[5:03] <rikkib> finger do not always type what the mind thinks... There is a reason for that
[5:04] <piney> lol
[5:04] <rikkib> In 2005 I had a massive stroke at 45.
[5:04] <ParkerR_> Aww
[5:04] <ParkerR_> Sorry to hear that
[5:04] <rikkib> Could not walk, talk, read or write for a while...
[5:05] <alexhairyman> rikkib, back to mostly functional?
[5:05] <rikkib> Mostly
[5:05] <ParkerR_> Great to hear
[5:05] <rikkib> Could not fight my way out of a paper bag now
[5:06] <rikkib> I was a rep rugby player in my youth... Front row forward.
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[5:06] <rikkib> A stint driving trucks nearly killed me.
[5:08] <alexhairyman> Damn, not exactly the usual linux geek huh?
[5:09] <rikkib> Learn something new every day... If you set ip in command line setting to different in /network/interfaces makes no diff.
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[5:14] <ohhmaar> So i'm connected to my raspberry pi, running raspbian, via ssh. Trying to install tightvncserver and I get this error message
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[5:14] <ohhmaar> Errors were encountered while processing:
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[5:14] <ohhmaar> mysql-server-5.5 and mysql-server
[5:15] <Serano> have you got mysql installed in the first place?
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[5:15] <ohhmaar> I believe that the command I entered went through and it did install. Though I guess it is not
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[5:16] <ohhmaar> since when do you need mysql for tightvnc?
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[5:16] <alexhairyman> since the pigs started flying
[5:18] <Serano> tbh i never use tight since i prefer ssh. But i'd reccon if mysql is a dependency of tight, then it should be installed when you installed it with aptitude
[5:18] <Serano> and if memory serves me correct, then you should have gotten a prompt from mysql to enter basic configuration for it
[5:19] <ohhmaar> yea it asked for a root password, blue screen (gui)
[5:19] <Gallomimia> yeah. when sql is first installed it demands you create a root password for it
[5:19] <ohhmaar> yeah.
[5:19] <Gallomimia> but that begs the question again, why sql for vnc
[5:19] <ohhmaar> so do i re-install it? or uninstall?
[5:20] <Gallomimia> i think
[5:20] <Gallomimia> dpkg -configure something or other with the package names
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[5:20] <Gallomimia> someone who knows?
[5:20] <ohhmaar> I have done this before and it never asked for mysql for vnc.
[5:20] <rikkib> Cam back online... No moving parts.. 2gb sd card with just boot part and nfs root. http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
[5:20] <Serano> sudo apt-get purge <packagename>
[5:20] <Gallomimia> yeah. mysql for vnc is odd
[5:21] <ohhmaar> Serano: just mysql for the packagename?
[5:21] <Serano> i'd do both: mysql and tight
[5:21] <Serano> just to be safe
[5:22] <ohhmaar> Serano: here's what i ran earlier (sudo apt-get install mysql-server php5-cgi php5-mysql)
[5:22] <Serano> then use those package names in my cmd
[5:22] <Serano> it will delete the programs and config files. so you start clean
[5:22] <ohhmaar> ok
[5:22] <alexhairyman> rikkib :D cool
[5:23] <Serano> one question: how did you install tight? also throught the apt-get command?
[5:23] <ohhmaar> yes, apt-get install tightvncserver
[5:23] <Serano> remove that aswell
[5:23] <Serano> and start by installing tight
[5:23] <ohhmaar> will do.
[5:23] <Serano> then you are sure tight has downloaded all it's dependecies
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[5:24] <Serano> still curious why it needs mysql
[5:24] <Serano> or where you got that info :)
[5:24] <ohhmaar> As I mentioned before I did successfully install tightvnc before and had it up and running but after a system wipe I wanted to try getting a web server up
[5:25] <Serano> ah i'm sorry i think i missed that part of the conversation
[5:25] <Serano> so what did you try and do exactly
[5:25] <Serano> or what guide are you following so I can give you more accurate advice
[5:26] <ohhmaar> so now during the uninstallation i received this error
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[5:26] <ohhmaar> http://d.pr/i/zeju
[5:26] <Serano> i believe your sd-card is full :)
[5:26] <ohhmaar> it's 8GB.
[5:27] <ohhmaar> When I did df -h it doesn't show up
[5:27] <rikkib> sudo df -h
[5:27] <ohhmaar> http://d.pr/i/6Isz
[5:28] <Serano> so it's 4 gig and its full
[5:28] <rikkib> lol 100%
[5:28] <Gallomimia> fullzors
[5:28] <alexhairyman> ohhmaar, using raspbian?
[5:28] <ohhmaar> Alexhairyman: yea
[5:29] <rikkib> raspi-config
[5:29] <ohhmaar> Serano, its a 8gb...
[5:29] <Gallomimia> do this: sudo find /var/log -size +1M
[5:29] <rikkib> resize the partition
[5:29] <Serano> rikkib is correct :)
[5:29] <Gallomimia> oh... yeah the image comes as a pretty small one
[5:29] <Serano> is the raspbian install always 4gb perhaps?
[5:29] <Gallomimia> not fully using the card you put it on
[5:30] <Gallomimia> yes
[5:30] <rikkib> 2gb
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[5:30] <dr_willis> i thought rasbian resized on first boot.. or was that xbian?
[5:30] <rikkib> resize to the size of your sd
[5:30] <ohhmaar> ok resized, rebooting.
[5:30] <rikkib> sudo raspi-config
[5:30] <alexhairyman> fdisk and resize2fs if you wanna' be a man
[5:30] <rikkib> Will take a while to do that
[5:31] <rikkib> couple of mins
[5:32] <ohhmaar> http://d.pr/i/MCBW
[5:32] <ohhmaar> ok good.
[5:32] <Serano> your install will work now :)
[5:32] <ohhmaar> 5.3G avail.
[5:33] <ohhmaar> install or uninstall?
[5:33] <Serano> install
[5:33] <rikkib> Hmmm cam not seeing pixel changes...
[5:33] <ohhmaar> you said to uninstall the packages I showed you
[5:34] <Serano> well you got the error because of the space issue. Now if you run the install again it will finish
[5:34] <Serano> without errors
[5:34] <ohhmaar> so is mysql installed properly?
[5:35] <Serano> it wasn't before, if you just installed it again it will be
[5:35] <Serano> like we said before after install it should always prompt you to enter a root pass
[5:35] <Serano> so if you get that screen you know the install was succesfull at least
[5:35] <ohhmaar> ok so it was successful
[5:36] <Serano> gz
[5:36] <Serano> ^^
[5:36] <ohhmaar> fudge.
[5:37] <ohhmaar> Ok so as i installed tightvnc it asks for a mysql root pass. I entered the same one as before and got hit with this http://d.pr/i/61rw
[5:37] <Gallomimia> really? that seems so weird
[5:37] <Gallomimia> just to ask for the sql root pass
[5:38] <rikkib> mysql behaves itself... install and uninstall delete config files at will until you are happy
[5:38] <ohhmaar> http://d.pr/i/LS6v
[5:38] <Serano> ohhmaar can you paste the install line you used
[5:38] <shiftplusone> rikkib, to get nfs root working did you need any special settings in /etc/exports ?
[5:38] <Serano> i'm guessing you all put it in one line, so it will also ask you for that mysql pass
[5:39] <ohhmaar> Serano: Install for what? Mysql? or Tight?
[5:39] <Serano> paste em both
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[5:39] <ohhmaar> tightvnc: apt-get install tightvncserver
[5:39] <ohhmaar> mysql and php: sudo apt-get install mysql-server php5-cgi php5-mysql
[5:39] <rikkib> shiftplusone, not really
[5:40] <rikkib> give me sec and a will paste the line
[5:40] <shiftplusone> rikkib, could you paste the relevant line? my NAS has some annoying defaults.
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[5:42] <ohhmaar> Serano: that helps?
[5:42] <rikkib> /mnt/rpi-root,no_root_squash)
[5:43] <shiftplusone> thanks. mine forces 'squash' >=/
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[5:43] <rikkib> np
[5:43] <rikkib> Call again some time :)
[5:44] <rikkib> Nearly 6pm my brain has turned to mush
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[5:44] <TAFB> new kernel update for raspberry pi on Arch linux just pushed out
[5:44] <Serano> Serano both are not related to eachother ohhmaar, just continue your install for your webserver setup as you planned it.
[5:44] <ohhmaar> Serano: okay well this sounds silly but i guess tightvnc is already installed??? which is weird because i never installed it since the formatting...
[5:45] <Serano> tight is installed because you showed me the command you entered.
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[5:46] <Serano> and if you are referring to space issue with the term formatting, that is incorrect, you just resized the partition, you did not format it.
[5:46] <ohhmaar> No i had arch installed prior.
[5:47] <Serano> ah i see
[5:48] <Serano> well you should do fine, since you had no errors on your install of mysql
[5:48] <Serano> anyway i'm back to my little project :)
[5:48] <ohhmaar> Thanks for your support.
[5:48] <Serano> samba is giving me a hard time and need to find out why
[5:48] <Serano> your welcome
[5:48] <Serano> you're
[5:49] <rikkib> RPi seems to be running fine according to top...
[5:49] <rikkib> with nfs root
[5:49] <rikkib> Tasks: 66 total, 1 running, 65 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
[5:49] <rikkib> %Cpu(s): 14.3 us, 5.8 sy, 0.0 ni, 79.5 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.3 si, 0.0 st
[5:49] <rikkib> KiB Mem: 220592 total, 89824 used, 130768 free, 12 buffers
[5:49] <rikkib> KiB Swap: 0 total, 0 used, 0 free, 50112 cached
[5:49] <Serano> have you clocked it?
[5:50] <rikkib> Note this is a RPi with 512mb and an old kernel that does not see it
[5:50] <rikkib> No I do not do that
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[5:52] <rikkib> Install the web package to manage samba and other packages if you are noob... Even helpfull if unfamiliar with a package
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[5:53] <rikkib> Wish I could remember the package name... may come to me
[5:53] <rikkib> webmin
[5:53] <rikkib> rings a bell
[5:53] <Serano> oh no that's not really the problem, besides where's the fun in using a webgui
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[5:53] <rikkib> Personally I just use mc editor to config stuff
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[5:55] <rikkib> A true flagellant...
[5:55] <ohhmaar> so I am connected to the pi via vnc. though I cannot access the desktop meaning my clicking isn't showing up
[5:55] <Serano> my samba works for my personal folder, but i've made a public share that is for all users available as longs as they can log in. I've set everything up. But when i connect my windows machine to it i can login and get to my folder but it keeps asking for credentials when i go the public map. And my creds don't work
[5:56] <Gallomimia> samba server?
[5:56] <Serano> so a secondary credentials request is being made, which it shouldn't do, and it's not accepting my creds
[5:56] <Serano> yeah
[5:56] <Gallomimia> hm.
[5:56] <rikkib> turn encryption off or on
[5:56] <Gallomimia> that's not something i know much about
[5:56] <Gallomimia> i only use the client to mount a nas
[5:56] <rikkib> which ever works for all clients
[5:57] <Serano> well i'm trying to get this pi to be a nas
[5:57] <Serano> the windows machines are the clients :)
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[5:57] <rikkib> Sounds like the issue it had with the switch from win95 to 98
[5:58] <Serano> lol :D don't remind me of that
[5:58] * rikkib no run samba now days
[5:58] <Gallomimia> agreed :/
[5:58] <Gallomimia> format C
[5:58] <rikkib> Only for the win machines on my local net
[5:58] <Gallomimia> then install something useful
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[6:00] <rikkib> Now NZ is on fire... 6pm news
[6:01] <rikkib> Aussies sent us their hot weather
[6:02] <Serano> I wish I was in NZ instead of lousy BE :p
[6:02] <rikkib> Little flick went out to a fire on the peat dome here today
[6:02] <Gallomimia> where is be
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[6:02] <rikkib> Beluim
[6:02] <Serano> belgium
[6:02] <rikkib> g
[6:02] <Gallomimia> oh man... that's a bit of a distance
[6:02] <Gallomimia> cold there?
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[6:03] <rikkib> Internets breaks down the barriers
[6:03] <Serano> moderate summers, wet winters
[6:03] <Gallomimia> gross.
[6:03] <Gallomimia> sounds like vancouver
[6:03] <Gallomimia> i hate rain :(
[6:03] <Gallomimia> at least snow won't get you wet
[6:03] <rikkib> Moderate everything here in the upper half of the north Island of NZ
[6:03] <Gallomimia> freeze your balls off but... at least you stay dry
[6:04] <Serano> I'm actually saving for a bit of travelling in that area :) I'm trying to do NZ, AU and Fiji in 1 month
[6:04] <Serano> but it's probably for 2014
[6:04] <rikkib> Live on a large plain... Bake in summer and 0 deg C in winter morning frosts but thats it
[6:04] <Serano> flight costs alone are near 1500 USD
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[6:05] <rikkib> wind just goes over top of us
[6:05] <Gallomimia> it's -15C here
[6:05] <rikkib> Wow
[6:05] <Gallomimia> had a bit of a cold snap today. but still very mild this w inter
[6:05] <Gallomimia> weather's changing.
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[6:05] <Serano> same here in winter temps are around -1 - 10??C
[6:05] <rikkib> Mind you I a Ham... I talk to people at 40 below in Siberia
[6:05] <Serano> but so far it has been all above 5??C
[6:05] <Gallomimia> should be -30 or 40 here
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[6:06] <Serano> and summers in the mid 20s is usual
[6:06] <Gallomimia> yeah i met someone from siberia. gets really hot there in winter
[6:06] <Gallomimia> +45
[6:06] <ohhmaar> rikkib: I chose encryption on and off and I still get a "Unencrypted Connection" bar on the bottom..
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[6:07] <Serano> Gallomimia have you seen that youtube video, where that guy throws boiling water outside his window and it freezes instantly. Outside temp was -53??
[6:07] <Gallomimia> uh... winter. i meant summer
[6:07] <rikkib> Forget Fiji... Danger Will Robinson
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[6:07] <Gallomimia> no i haven't. but i've heard it gets that way in northern saskatchewan in the oil and gas fields
[6:08] <Gallomimia> what did this water land upon?
[6:08] <Serano> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/9758704/Boiling-water-freezes-instantly-in-Siberias-41C.html
[6:08] <Gallomimia> and when we were making things into ice like slides or snowmen hot water was best. froze faster
[6:09] <Gallomimia> browser is pretty unreliable on my pi. my power supply sucks
[6:12] <Gallomimia> flash player only. you fail
[6:13] <ohhmaar> Serano: So you know how i ran the purge command.. did it go through?
[6:16] <Serano> yes otherwise you wouldn't be able to have reinstalled the programs
[6:16] <Serano> damn it's still too early my english
[6:16] <ohhmaar> no wonder my php script doesn't work lol
[6:16] <Serano> yes otherwise you wouldn't have been able to reinstall the programs
[6:17] <ohhmaar> ok
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[6:17] <Serano> ah fixed that nas thingy.
[6:18] <Serano> for some reason he doesn't convert the samba session into the usergroup users.
[6:18] <Serano> if i add the users manually it works
[6:18] <rikkib> The default action of apt is not to delete config files and other user created files and will refuse to delete a dir if files it does not know exist
[6:19] <rikkib> when removing a package
[6:19] <Serano> he used purge so the configs are gone, the userfiles not
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[6:19] <rikkib> On install it may tell you old config exists but also may not and just not write default config
[6:20] <rikkib> depends on the package maintainer...
[6:21] <Serano> aha i knew that was happening with the remove parameter and thought that purge was used to circumvent that.
[6:21] <rikkib> normal practices apply... Keep a backup while you work
[6:22] <rikkib> remove removes the binaries and libs
[6:22] <rikkib> purge the config files and the likes
[6:22] <Serano> ok thanks
[6:22] <rikkib> these is also another command to clear the cache
[6:23] <rikkib> apt keeps records of all it does
[6:24] <rikkib> /var/cache/apt/archive
[6:25] <rikkib> If you do a lot of installing for R&D you may want to keep a backup of these deb files
[6:26] <rikkib> copy them back on a new install and apt will auto pick them up rather than downloading
[6:27] <Serano> if they are in the specific map then? Or how do you go about it.
[6:27] <Serano> Not that i'm poor on bandwidth, but in offline cases it might be interesting to know
[6:27] <rikkib> With thousands of files it pays to spend a bit of time looking up what many are about
[6:28] <rikkib> time is the issue rather than bandwidth
[6:28] <rikkib> map?
[6:29] <Serano> well you were saying that you had to make a backup of those deb files. So on a reinstall i would just put them back in the same map and apt-get will auto pick them?
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[6:30] <rikkib> Put them back in the same place on the new sd card
[6:30] <rikkib> /var/cache/apt/archive
[6:31] <rikkib> this is where the deb files are stored
[6:31] <Serano> figured that, couldn't immediatly check it since i ran a apt-get clean command before we were talking about this :)
[6:32] <rikkib> Linux gotcha
[6:32] <rikkib> Still gets me
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[7:20] <Gordio> Good morning! ;-)
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[7:46] <Milos> http://www.wut.co.nz/images/34ah.jpg
[7:46] <Milos> day = made
[7:48] <rikkib> What does it do... geo cache?
[7:49] <Milos> w/e I want
[7:50] <wachpwnski> any place in the US that sells heat sink kits?
[7:50] <wachpwnski> Ebay maybe?
[7:50] <knoppies> maybe.
[7:55] <wachpwnski> Is aluminum better on a certain chip as a heat sink? I see some kits come with 1 alum
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[8:02] <axion> forged copper is the best
[8:03] <knoppies> axion, well now. Even gold is better than copper.
[8:03] <knoppies> as a heatsink.
[8:03] <knoppies> I think diamonds do very well for extracting heat too.
[8:04] <axion> indeed. we are talking practicality though
[8:04] <wachpwnski> haha
[8:04] <wachpwnski> and helium gas
[8:04] <wachpwnski> at 0 degrees
[8:04] <wachpwnski> knoppies: it's silver not gold
[8:04] <knoppies> wachpwnski, you mean 0 kelvin or Fahrenheit?
[8:04] <wachpwnski> celsius ?
[8:05] <knoppies> wachpwnski, I remember both gold and silver being better than copper as a heatsink.
[8:05] <wachpwnski> gold is a better conductor, silver has better heat disipation.
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[8:17] <wachpwnski> hey, what do you guys think about using this as a power supply? http://www.amazon.com/3800mA-5600mAh-Portable-Battery-charger/dp/B0063EYY5Y
[8:18] <Gordio> 3.8-5.6A? o_O
[8:19] <wachpwnski> bit much huh?
[8:20] <axion> i use this: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/3-in-1-DC-5V-15000mAh-9V-8500mAh-12V6500mAh-Super-Rechargeable-Lithium-ion-Battery-for-camera/901807_520254804.html
[8:21] <wachpwnski> How long does that beast last?
[8:21] <axion> never drained it completely
[8:21] <axion> a long time im guessing
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[8:23] <wachpwnski> hahah
[8:24] <axion> very nice if you want to power a 3.5" hdd with it (12v) too
[8:24] * Gordio use 1.5 A for powering: TP-Link WR703n, Raspberry PI (B:256MB), LEDs (self sold, 0.1A) - all work fine :P
[8:25] <Gordio> On WR703 exist USB 3G modem.
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[8:57] <ExeciN> I am trying to connect to my RPI with this kind of command "ssh -X - l pi" but then my computer tries to connect with my username instead of "pi". What's wrong?
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[8:59] <axion> -l pi
[8:59] <axion> not - l pi
[8:59] <krrrcks> no whitespace between the - and the l ...
[8:59] <krrrcks> ah.
[8:59] <krrrcks> to slow ...
[9:00] <axion> also you could do pi@ if you so choose
[9:00] <ExeciN> thanks it worked.
[9:01] <Weaselweb> ExeciN: you can also try pi@
[9:01] <Weaselweb> oh, already written...
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[9:15] <krrrcks> I need a kernel module (lm75) which is not in the standard kernel distribution. (I use raspbian). WHat's the best way to get that module and get it running?
[9:15] <axion> compile the kernel yourself with support added in
[9:16] <krrrcks> so i download from https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux and go for my own kernel?
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[9:17] <axion> right. by the way, arch linux has this module by default. you could switch OS's if you want
[9:17] <dr_willis> you can use apt get to install kernel source and just compile the modules perhaps
[9:18] <krrrcks> ah. i see. is there a howto/tutorial how to build the kernel via cross-compiling? I think that this would be much faster.
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[9:18] <axion> http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation#Cross_compiling_from_Linux
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[9:20] <krrrcks> thanks
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[9:26] <Tachyon`> pah, kids today etc.
[9:27] * Tachyon` recalls compiling the kernel on his 486, almost an all day job
[9:27] <dr_willis> ;-)
[9:27] <dr_willis> encoding an audio cd took hours...
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[9:28] <dr_willis> 512mb was a hd size...
[9:28] <Tachyon`> I remember using l3enc on such a machine, I think a single tune would take up to an hour to encode at 128k
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[9:28] <Tachyon`> lol, my first hard drive was 20MB
[9:29] <Tachyon`> and I was glad to have it, heh, compiling when you have to swap disks between compiling and linking and so on is no fun
[9:29] <Tachyon`> I remember its sustained transfer rate was 173KiB/second too
[9:29] <Tachyon`> used an 8 bit isa interface
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[9:30] <Tachyon`> odd machine that one
[9:30] <Tachyon`> amstrad made
[9:30] <Tachyon`> also the only one I've seen that uses 4 AA batteries for the CMOS
[9:30] <dr_willis> the good old days
[9:31] <dr_willis> now your pi can run from 4 AAs
[9:31] <Tachyon`> first PC I had, went from the amiga to that (then ack to the amiga, wasn't impressed with XTs)
[9:31] <Tachyon`> stayed with amiga a bit longer then got a 386
[9:31] <dr_willis> i miss some features of the amiga os.
[9:32] <Tachyon`> the pi doesn't seem powerful enoguh to emulate one, it might be possible with large scale optimisations but even then I couldn't swear to it
[9:32] <Tachyon`> I've certainly not had much luck so far
[9:33] <dr_willis> my s3 phone runs an amiga emulator. ;-)
[9:33] <Tachyon`> I have the note 2 but haven't found a good emulator yet
[9:33] <Tachyon`> what are you using?
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[9:34] <dr_willis> uae4droid
[9:34] <Tachyon`> is that the one that costs money and is sold by someone who is in violation of the gpl
[9:34] <dr_willis> not that ive noticed..
[9:34] <Tachyon`> oh, no it isn't
[9:35] <Tachyon`> that's another amiga emulator, lol
[9:35] <Tachyon`> the same author also released a gaming keyboard and deliberately broke it when using a competing version of dosbox
[9:35] <Tachyon`> ie: it checks for the dosbox process running and intentionally fails to work if it is
[9:36] <Tachyon`> as if the process name is changed it works flawlessly (that and the string for that is in the binary)
[9:36] <Tachyon`> hrm, I wonder if this one will worok with my ps3 controller
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[9:36] <Gordio> ARGH!!! Why http://ompldr.org/vaDBoYw work, but http://ompldr.org/vaDBoYg don't? - Both images grub from framebuffer.
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[9:42] <axion> try again with working links
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[9:44] <Gordio> hehe. ompldr not work for you? :D
[9:44] <Gordio> *d
[9:44] <axion> it does when i use it
[9:44] <axion> although not those links
[9:44] <Gordio> ompload.org?
[9:46] <axion> there are simpler ways to illustrate 1.3m white pixels
[9:46] <Gordio> convert to jpg :D
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[9:50] <axion> its a white image using many kb's more than it should
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[9:57] <jelly1> hi
[9:58] <jelly1> anyone ever got MJPG to work?
[9:58] <jelly1> as in by using the GPU
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[9:59] * jelly1 has found out that codecs are the root of evil
[10:00] <axion> no not possible
[10:00] <jelly1> axion: hmmm why
[10:01] <jelly1> i mean JPEG encode/decode is avalaible via OpenMAX
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[10:02] <axion> jelly1: the gpu supports mjpeg, but the pi does not have licenses to do
[10:02] <jelly1> lame
[10:02] <jelly1> i thought that was free
[10:02] <jelly1> hmm i should check my forum post asking about MJPEG though
[10:02] <jelly1> and even if it was supported ,someone would have to write against openMAX
[10:03] <Serano> anybody have experience buying those licenses from the pi store? Are they delivered instantly or fast after payment?
[10:03] <jelly1> iirc after some delay by e-mail
[10:03] <jelly1> noticed XBMC's engadeget addon doesnt work since it probably uses some lame codec ( VC1)
[10:03] <Serano> had the confirmation mail
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[10:04] <Serano> and the amount has been deducted from my account
[10:04] <jelly1> it's sad the world doesn't use ogg/theora
[10:04] <jelly1> or even vp8
[10:04] <axion> were you at one time jelly12gen?
[10:04] <jelly1> yes
[10:04] <jelly1> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png
[10:04] <jelly1> axion: that's ages ago :P
[10:04] <axion> i remember you from #arch :)
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[10:05] <jelly1> hehe :)
[10:05] <axion> and i have a good memory :)
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[10:08] <jelly1> well my plan was to create a burglar detection using the Pi
[10:08] <jelly1> it worked on my laptop ( face detection ) + video capture, but it's so slow on the Pi
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[10:08] <pecorade> Hi.
[10:08] <jelly1> an mjpjg outputting capable webcam could be the solution
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[10:12] <kriss3d> Anyone here using raspbmc with 1channel addon ?
[10:12] <jelly1> no, but just tell us what isn't working
[10:12] <axion> i dont think MJPEG needs a license actually.
[10:13] <jelly1> axion: i know
[10:13] <axion> maybe the JPEG openmax backend will work
[10:13] <jelly1> axion: but i thought of a new solution
[10:13] <jelly1> axion: grab images from the webcam -> diff -> if difference -> analyze
[10:13] <jelly1> and i can decde jpeg with the hello_pi example
[10:14] <kriss3d> ok well i use raspbmc with 1channel addon and thats working just fine. However i cant seem to pause the movie or fast forward using remote control.. when i attempt on yatse for android or remote control for the tv to fastforward it doesnt
[10:14] <jelly1> is it a stream?
[10:14] <kriss3d> it fast forwards like on dvd with setting up the speed to up to32.. or at least it should be.. but its not
[10:15] <kriss3d> yeah its when streaming.. i can do that if i use a mouse on a webbrowser but aparently not on the raspberry
[10:15] <jelly1> i guess it's a cache issue
[10:16] <kriss3d> yeah.. on my phone i can drag the button to set where i wanna watch from but then it just jumps back to where it was before
[10:17] <kriss3d> its like its not even wanting to load that point.. i see that on some video sites too but.. i cant pause a movie nor fast forward.. thats not good.
[10:18] <dr_willis> no skipping comercials fir you. ;)
[10:19] <axion> anyway mjpeg is very old and used primarily by cheap webcams. there are better cameras with better codecs. for burglar detection it might be worth it anyway
[10:20] <dr_willis> it could be xbmc is having to download the flash video also.
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[10:20] <kriss3d> Hmm its just wierd.. id have assumed other people would have same issue.. I mean.. if you cant pause a movie or decide where to start from..
[10:21] <dr_willis> mention it in hete from time to time and see if others can verify the issue
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[10:24] <jelly1> axion: well hrrm student
[10:24] <jelly1> axion: most of them output YUYV
[10:26] <jelly1> axion: also very old can be very optimized ;)
[10:26] <jelly1> well as in the algorithms using it
[10:26] <TAFB> hey axion :)
[10:28] <jelly1> hmm ffmpeg doesn't have an openmax backend does it
[10:28] <axion> no
[10:28] <axion> well not for the pi
[10:28] <jelly1> bah
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[10:28] <jelly1> cause ffstreamer is awesome
[10:28] <jelly1> err ffserver
[10:28] <Geniack> hello... anyone using openelec with the pi?
[10:28] <jelly1> Geniack: yes, it works
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[10:29] <axion> omxplayer uses ffmpeg
[10:29] <jelly1> hrrm
[10:29] <Geniack> jelly1: i know but i got a problem with my keyboard which seems to be result of using openelec with the pi and the keyboard i have...
[10:29] <ExeciN> How energy consuming is a halted 256MB pi?
[10:29] <Geniack> i would like to know how i can check for keyboard press events, so i can remap the stuff myself
[10:29] <Macer> ExeciN: a halted?
[10:29] <jelly1> Geniack: no clue how that works
[10:30] <axion> Geniack: xev
[10:30] <Macer> if it's halted... like... none? :)
[10:30] <Macer> maybe the power from the led still being on heh
[10:30] <jelly1> i get what he means
[10:30] <Geniack> axion: command doesnt exist...
[10:30] <axion> pacman -Qo xev
[10:30] <axion> /usr/bin/xev is owned by xorg-xev 1.2.0-1
[10:30] <Geniack> axion: pacman looks like arch linux
[10:31] <Geniack> i am on openelec
[10:31] <axion> how does that matter? its the same software with a different kernel
[10:31] <ExeciN> Macer: "sudo halt" where the pi is not able to calculate anything
[10:31] <axion> linux is linux noob
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[10:31] <Geniack> axion: openelec is a read only system, noob
[10:32] <axion> not if you do it right
[10:32] <jelly1> lawl
[10:32] <Geniack> you cant install shit except through plugins
[10:32] <jelly1> yes but plguins won't install xev :p
[10:32] <axion> sure you can
[10:32] <Geniack> ah?
[10:32] <Geniack> go on please
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[10:33] <Geniack> jelly1: exactly my problem
[10:33] <axion> google suggests this as the first link, among others: https://sites.google.com/site/andreierdei/openelec-addons/squashfs-howto
[10:33] <ExeciN> Macer: since the power LED is lit, that means that it's regulator is still on use
[10:34] <Geniack> axion: i need to check for a damn key code not wanting to mess with the whole system
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[10:34] <axion> careful about your language. you will be banned if they see
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[10:35] <Geniack> okay
[10:35] <xzr> damn?
[10:35] <DDave> ExeciN, IM also interested in knowing the power consumption of a halted pi
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[10:35] <axion> xzr: not that as much as his previous comment
[10:35] <Geniack> i?'ll go check the source code of xev, it hs to read the information from somewhere
[10:37] <Gordio> axion, ?? ???????? kaunchd ?????????? qr?????????
[10:37] <Gordio> ???????? ???? xD
[10:37] <ExeciN> DDave: If I got no answer I might measure it myself. (but I have to find a way to pass the usb current through my breadboard)
[10:38] <DDave> Well, are you usually in here? I might check it next weekend too
[10:38] <Macer> ExeciN: sorry... just figured it was incredibly low
[10:38] <Macer> not really sure
[10:38] <Macer> according to the pi faq... it will NOT .. fit in an altoid tin
[10:39] <Macer> what a shame
[10:39] <Macer> altoid needs to make larger tins
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[10:40] <ExeciN> Macer: that does not sound like a good idea unless you laminate the inner of the altoid tin
[10:40] <DDave> yeah..inserting electronics into a metal case.. uhm hello? xD
[10:40] <Macer> ExeciN: oh i'm sure heh
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[10:40] <Macer> it was on their faq tho ;)
[10:40] <Macer> i'm guessing someone wanted to do it
[10:40] <Macer> which in a sense would be kind of interesting heh
[10:41] <axion> Gordio: do you have kbd?
[10:41] <Macer> -40C - 85C ... so no sending my pi into space :-/
[10:41] <Macer> what if i wanted to launch my own mars rover?
[10:43] <mgottschlag> Macer: fun fact: most satellite computers operate at 20??C +-10??C, through sophisticated temperature control systems
[10:44] <mgottschlag> (actually, the batteries wouldn't survive much deeper or higher temperatures anyways)
[10:45] <Macer> mgottschlag: heh. nuclear heat?
[10:45] <Macer> i would guess they used some sort of nuclear heat creating power source
[10:45] <jelly1> i dont think they do
[10:45] <mgottschlag> where I used to work we just used some electrical heaters and a lot of insulating material :D
[10:46] <Macer> heh
[10:46] <Macer> jelly1: i think the mars rovers used some sort of nuclear heat generator
[10:46] <jelly1> yes but that's not a sattelite
[10:46] <Macer> which used the heat from some radioactive metal in order to power them
[10:46] <jelly1> anyway
[10:47] <mgottschlag> well, "a lot" = that shining foil you see from the outside
[10:47] <mgottschlag> I'd say satellites and mars rovers are quite similar in that respect, only that the mars rover needs to be more robust because of dust/storms etc
[10:47] <Macer> i guess that's not practical in a satellite since you probably don't want some radioactive material flying across the atmosphere if it crashes
[10:48] <mgottschlag> there have been satellites with nuclear generators as well
[10:48] <mgottschlag> and some have indeed crashed :p
[10:48] <Macer> have there?
[10:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes
[10:48] <ExeciN> Macer: you can keep it insulated and probably provide some heat from a heating wire but sending something to space means it has to have radiation hardened components.
[10:48] <Macer> i thought they tried to avoid it
[10:48] <mgottschlag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator
[10:48] <Macer> just for that reason
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[10:48] <Macer> how is the ISS powered?
[10:48] <krrrcks> axion: thanks for the link, lm75 compiled and running! \o/
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[10:49] <axion> yay
[10:49] <mgottschlag> solar cells/batteries
[10:49] <Macer> wow no nuclear components at all?
[10:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident
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[10:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ actually not that one
[10:51] <Macer> RaTTuS|BIG: heh
[10:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message503038/pg1 umm ... ok /me goes for coffee
[10:51] <mgottschlag> Macer: I wouldn't like living 10m next to a nuclear generator for months :D
[10:51] <Macer> RaTTuS|BIG: i don't consider stealing radioactive material from a hospital as an "accident"
[10:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah thats why I said ignore that one -wrong link
[10:51] <Macer> mgottschlag: well.. i'm sure they can compartment it onto another section heh
[10:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> this machine has just rebooted and is talking it;s time to get re-sorted
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[10:52] <Macer> i mean minus the threat of radiation leaking from it ... it would make for a great power source
[10:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> there is another from an american satailite but I cannot rememebr it's name - it was nuclear powered
[10:53] <mgottschlag> they have like 10% efficiency though, I think the ISS uses multiple kilowatts
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[10:54] * neilr ponders using a wind turbine to charge a battery during the launch phase. The Saturn V launcher would look great with a big set of turbine blades on the front.
[10:55] <Macer> mgottschlag: the heat generators... i suppose using a turnbine is rather inefficient in space as well
[10:55] <Macer> neilr: i'm sure that type of drag would not be beneficial to the launch :)
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[10:55] <Macer> as well as the stress of being able to handle something like that on blades
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[10:56] <Macer> i should look up how difficult it would be to launch something into space
[10:56] <Macer> you would think that a very large balloon capable of lifting it a few miles up then a launch stage from that altitude would be possible
[10:56] <Macer> for joe user :)
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[10:57] <ExeciN> Radioactive elements are used during the production of aluminium foil to detect it's thickness in order to keep it constant.
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[10:59] <Macer> heh
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[11:00] <Macer> radioactive elements are found everywhere to do such things in industry
[11:00] <Macer> flow meters... thermometers.. etc :)
[11:03] <dr_willis> food adtives
[11:03] <dr_willis> ;-)
[11:03] <Macer> lol... that story rattus|big posted was great
[11:03] <Macer> those fools that stole the radioactive source... omg i was crying laughing
[11:03] <Macer> they went in there and took it home with a wheel barrel and started dismantling it while throwing up
[11:04] <Macer> then sold it for scrap :)
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[11:07] <Macer> Over the next three days, he invited friends and family to view the strange glowing substance and offered a reward to anyone who could free it from the capsule. He mentioned that he intended to make a ring out of it for his wife, Gabriela Maria Ferreira.
[11:07] <Macer> LOL! He must have really hated his wife to be making her a glowing caesium ring :)
[11:08] <DDave> it is hilarious, yet sad at the same time
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[11:15] <axion> sad the 6 year old put some on her sandwich
[11:16] <TAFB> I wonder if I can put Arch linux on this: http://www.buyincoins.com/-product-25187.html
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[11:17] <megaproxy> on a asic miner?>
[11:18] * megaproxy clicks link
[11:18] <megaproxy> hahahaha
[11:18] <megaproxy> i thought that url was another...
[11:18] * megaproxy goes back under rock
[11:18] <TAFB> 1.5ghz allwinner, should work!
[11:18] <axion> if there is a linux kernel, you can probably, but i would much rather have the android interface for a touch tablet
[11:18] <axion> onscren keyboards suck
[11:18] <megaproxy> Tabaliah, buy me one
[11:18] <megaproxy> uh TAFB
[11:19] <TAFB> lol
[11:19] <megaproxy> why doesnt uk ever get awesome deals like that?!
[11:19] <megaproxy> thats basically a ?30 tablet..
[11:19] <TAFB> it's free shipping to UK no? order it up!
[11:19] <megaproxy> it is?!
[11:19] <TAFB> everything on buyincoins is free
[11:19] <megaproxy> but to uk?
[11:19] <TAFB> google for coupon codes to save some extra $$ too
[11:20] <TAFB> it's worldwide free shipping. Trust me, if they ship to canada for free, they for sure ship to UK for free ;)
[11:20] <megaproxy> Other areas of Europe: 5-14 working days;
[11:20] <megaproxy> ERMAHGOD
[11:20] * megaproxy gets a tablet
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[11:21] <axion> also if arch was ued i highly doubt hardware acceleration would be possible
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[11:21] <Kooothor> guys ! I received my pi, but there is two floating parts (seems broken), one is a useless plastic piece, but the other is something round, grey, with written 220, 16V, EE6 on it, I guess it's important... Should I send it back right away ?
[11:21] <TAFB> hardware video accel?
[11:21] <axion> yes
[11:21] <TAFB> Kooothor: the round one is capacitor C6 (useless)
[11:21] <xzr> Kooothor: maybe a pic?
[11:21] <xzr> :p
[11:21] <megaproxy> TAFB, ive just linked to a buddy to sus it out
[11:21] <megaproxy> hes android nerd
[11:22] <DDave> Kooothor, you paid for a working product am I right? Id send it back and get a new one...
[11:22] <TAFB> megaproxy: nice :) my boss is at CES and he bought that exact table, only $35 without them having to ship it!
[11:22] <megaproxy> "IE: Avoid at all costs."
[11:22] <megaproxy> haha
[11:22] <megaproxy> apparently.. dont get it
[11:22] <TAFB> why??
[11:22] <ne2k> Kooothor: is C6 empty on the board?
[11:22] <megaproxy> because its too cheap?
[11:22] <megaproxy> ive no idea :/
[11:23] <TAFB> i know it's got a pretty low res screen and crappy camera
[11:23] <TAFB> but it's got a descent cpu and ram :)
[11:24] <Kooothor> TAFB: ne2k , yes it's C6
[11:24] <Kooothor> TAFB: why do you say it's useless ?
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[11:25] <ne2k> Kooothor: you should report it as damaged and they should send a new one
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[11:25] <Kooothor> yes, that's what I'll do
[11:25] <TAFB> Kooothor: it's only there to prevent hot plugging of USB devices from rebooting the Pi (which it does anyway!), every Pi I touch I rip off C6 and replace with much better cap (but the Pi will run fine without it).
[11:25] <TAFB> it's easy to solder back on if you want too.
[11:25] <Kooothor> but it's a pain, to receive a broken one in a rigid box sealed with ??Security Seal??....
[11:26] <Kooothor> TAFB: interesting !
[11:27] <Kooothor> you know what, I think I'll ask the guys of the workshop to solder it
[11:27] <Kooothor> will be faster.
[11:27] <TAFB> good plan, and it'll be soldered 100x better than it is from the factory (why it fell off in shipping)
[11:27] <Zta> I've ordered a raspi, haven't received it yet, but I'm interested in knowing the latest status of audio out via jack. Anyone got any reliable and reasonable success?
[11:28] <fortytwo> Kooothor: I'd send it back anyway, if it's had enough force on it to break off components it might have had other connections damaged/weakened
[11:28] <Serano> damn ntfs-3g puts a serious strain on the cpu of the pi
[11:28] <mjr> Zta, what status? seems to work for me. Not super quality, but that's known.
[11:28] <Kooothor> fortytwo: good point
[11:28] <ne2k> Zta: by jack do you mean jack the software, or jack the 3.5mm headphone jack?
[11:28] <Serano> any ideas how to circumvent that?
[11:28] <fortytwo> Would also be useful to check what the 'useless plastic bit' was, there's not too many plastic bits on the pi
[11:28] <mjr> oh, and I presumed you meant the headphone jack
[11:29] <ne2k> Serano: use a better filing system? ;-)
[11:29] <Kooothor> fortytwo: yep, can't seem to find where it's from...
[11:29] <fortytwo> Guessing it was the display or camera connection, but could have been the audio or video port
[11:29] <Zta> ne2k: the 3,5mm headphone jack
[11:29] <Serano> ne2k haha sadly enough it's not an option
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[11:30] <Serano> from my googling i can only get read/write access through ntfs-3g am i right? or is there an alternative that doesn't include reformatting that puts less strain on the cpu?
[11:30] <Zta> mjr: Ok. I've just read that you need to fiddle with experimental drivers. But then again... everthing is experimental =) What do you mean by "not super quality"? I don't need super. I just need resonable, like from a standard pc.
[11:31] <axion> TAFB: ive heard the touch screen is not very responsive on that device, and is also off-centered as to cut off the first few letters of each line. also has crap chinese software you cant remove, and is generally a lot slower than it would seem to be.
[11:31] <axion> you really do get what you pay for there
[11:32] <TAFB> axion: yikes. you'd think it could be hacked/rooted :(
[11:33] <mjr> Zta, drivers come standard these days, that's old information from closer to the original pi release. And it's not as good as your standard PC analog output. Not completely horrible, either. I'm not sure how to qualify it more exactly.
[11:33] <mjr> it's a PWM output hacked to put out audio
[11:34] <Zta> mm..
[11:34] <mjr> if you want a particularly enjoyable music experience, you'll find a way to use the digital HDMI audio output or stilck in an USB audio interface
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[11:35] <TAFB> they make super cheap HDMI to stereo audio adapters, probably work great on the Pi
[11:35] <Zta> Okay, thanks. Maybe I'll try my luck with some USB sound dongle. I assume there's not easy way to convert HDMI audio output to a 3,5mm jack socket?
[11:35] <ne2k> Zta: I've heard the quality is dependent on the load impedance. it's worse the higher the frequency. it's certainly usable
[11:35] <RaTTuS> HDMI audio is pretty damn good
[11:35] <ne2k> TAFB: seen nothing for less than ??100 -- do you have a link?
[11:35] <TAFB> yep, one sec, boss just bought one at CES for $18USD
[11:35] <Serano> couldn't you just convert the hdmi-audio output to 3.5 jack
[11:35] <TAFB> Serano: it's digital, not analog
[11:36] <ne2k> when I use a Behringer UCA202, I just get horrible, horrible popping and clicking all the time
[11:36] <ne2k> of course it might be a power issue
[11:36] <TAFB> The HDMI to VGA/Audio adapter was from company at CES called geniatech.com
[11:36] <axion> increase the audio buffer
[11:36] <TAFB> I'll try and find out model number
[11:36] <ne2k> I don't have a proper powered hub, I've hacked it together
[11:37] <ne2k> axion: was that for me?
[11:37] <RaTTuS> http://www.kenable.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=6403 <- may work - but you would have to power it somehow
[11:37] <axion> yes
[11:37] <Serano> well i work for a television facilities company, and i know our audiocrew has some device to convert the hdmi audio signal to xlr
[11:37] <RaTTuS> umm
[11:37] <ne2k> axion: can you use nicks, please? there's lots of people talking about lots of things in here
[11:37] <Serano> so i don't know how far fetched it would be to go to 3.5
[11:37] <axion> sometimes i do
[11:37] <axion> but it alleves some pops/clicks
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[11:39] <TAFB> hdmi to stereo audio converter (easy to get to 3.5mm with a single cable): http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011410&p_id=8126&seq=1&format=2
[11:39] <ne2k> TAFB: wonder what sort of latency you can get with that sort of thing. I'm after super low latency
[11:40] <TAFB> I'm not sure, I'd imagine the latency might be pretty bad, probably buffers the audio to sync with VGA :(
[11:40] <Serano> you always have the option to buy and external audiodevice
[11:40] <Serano> I haven't tried it yet but gonna see if I can get my presonus audiobox working on the pi
[11:40] <Out`Of`Control> TAFB: for that money i can get second Raspberry Pi
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[11:41] <ne2k> Serano: the Behringer UCA202 makes horrible sounds
[11:41] <TAFB> Out`Of`Control: My case cost TWICE what my Pi did ;)
[11:41] <Out`Of`Control> :D
[11:41] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
[11:41] <ne2k> Serano: I'm hoping to use I2S eventually so I can put a DAC/headphone amp chip on it
[11:41] <Serano> ic
[11:42] <Serano> question though have you ever had it working on linux on your pc
[11:42] <Serano> without sound problems?
[11:42] <ne2k> Serano: the UCA202? yes, it's fine. there's nothing wrong with the hardware
[11:42] <ne2k> Serano: I'm just installing the latest rpi-update so will see if that helps
[11:43] <Serano> ah no was just wondering if it would be a measure if it was doable. I have it working on debian on my desktop, so now i'm curious how my audiobox will do on the rasp pi
[11:43] <ne2k> Serano: what is the audiobox? what driver does it use?
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[11:49] <Serano> http://www.presonus.com/products/AudioBox-USB
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[12:07] <Matrikular> good day, hello
[12:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> \o
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[12:10] <Matrikular> im trying to install nginx on my beloved pi, for educational purposes id like to run with the latest development version of nginx (no background in linux/unix/(web)server config at all) - now, i followed a few tutorials on how to do that. everytime i install it with apt-get, i get the 1.2.1 (latest stable seems to be 1.2.6, dev 1.3.0)
[12:10] <TAFB> looks like fun: http://www.geekbuying.com/item/MK808-Dual-Core-Android-4-1-Jelly-Bean-TV-BOX-Rockchip-RK3066-Cortex-A9-Mini-PC-stick-307415.html
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[12:11] <Matrikular> if i read correctly, the build for the rpi is some special build?! - do i have to build a "package" or whatever its called, on the dev source files by myself?
[12:12] <axion> TAFB: thats my favorite link :)
[12:12] <TAFB> :)
[12:12] <axion> mk808 is a beast
[12:12] <TAFB> yeah, looks great in specs
[12:12] <Matrikular> off / on topic: http://www.fxitech.com/
[12:13] <axion> it can even emulate N64 full speed
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[12:13] <TAFB> I just ordered the CST e-ink watch :) www.kickstarter.com/projects/1655017763/cst-01-the-worlds-thinnest-watch
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[12:17] <wachpwnski> what!?
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[12:18] <TAFB> my boss tried it out at CES show and sent me a video on his phone, freakin sweet watch :) hopefully everything works out with kickstarter and I get one. Ordered it in black :)
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[12:30] <axion> watches are back in style?
[12:31] <jelly1> TAFB: e-ink ftw
[12:31] <jelly1> TAFB: does that minipc thing support xbmc :P
[12:32] <TAFB> it runs xbmc stock!
[12:32] <TAFB> check out the screen caps
[12:32] <jelly1> now that's what i like
[12:32] <axion> android xbmc is a fail
[12:32] <jelly1> oh lolz
[12:32] <TAFB> oh, never knew there was a diff :)
[12:32] <jelly1> xbmc on java
[12:32] <jelly1> eEK
[12:32] <axion> but there is a rk3066 kernel floating around and you could run arch
[12:32] <jelly1> more effort :P
[12:32] <jelly1> it supports much codecs though
[12:33] <jelly1> axion: anyway without android you wouldnt have skype :D
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[12:33] <Matrikular> any advice on my nginx question?
[12:33] <axion> i have never used such proprietary software
[12:33] <jelly1> axion: good stuff
[12:33] <axion> Matrikular: rpeat?
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[12:33] <jelly1> axion: you should have noted that it was a "trollolol " comment
[12:33] <axion> hehe
[12:33] <TAFB> Matrikular: didn't see your nginx question, I run nginx, http://tafb.yi.org and port proxy for http://tafb.yi.org/webmail
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[12:35] <axion> anyway, the mk808 and ss808 are excellent devices regardless
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[12:35] <TAFB> if anyone would like a "them@tafb.xxx" address to mess around with, just lemme kno
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[12:36] <TAFB> nooooooo :)
[12:36] <axion> hehe
[12:36] <jelly1> i rather have a guy@tafbsucks.xxx :p
[12:36] <TAFB> I hacked my DNS stuff so I can use my real domain now anyway ;) http://toysareforboys.com :)
[12:36] <jelly1> lol
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[12:37] <axion> and bad girls
[12:37] <jelly1> btw now i know what you are hosting TAFB :P
[12:37] <jelly1> and why you host it at home
[12:37] <TAFB> lol
[12:37] <TAFB> I used to host some cool stuff, but the police made me take it down
[12:38] <TAFB> so now I don't host much at home :(
[12:38] <jelly1> huh
[12:38] <jelly1> cool as in illegal i guess
[12:38] <TAFB> not officially illegal, but super grey area
[12:38] <jelly1> hmm
[12:38] <jelly1> don't want to guess :P
[12:38] <TAFB> :)
[12:38] <axion> mary jane?
[12:39] <TAFB> naaa. along the lines of my other hobby, http://tafb.xxx/rcmp
[12:40] <Matrikular> TAFB: im trying to install nginx on my beloved pi, for educational purposes id like to run with the latest development version of nginx (no background in linux/unix/(web)server config at all) - now, i followed a few tutorials on how to do that. everytime i install it with apt-get, i get the 1.2.1 (latest stable seems to be 1.2.6, dev 1.3.0) if i read correctly, the build for the rpi is some special build?! - do i have to build a
[12:40] <Matrikular> "package" or whatever its called, on the dev source files by myself?
[12:40] <jelly1> why would you want the latest if your runnng raspbmc :p
[12:40] <TAFB> ahhh, I did it on Arch linux, and just used the regular version it downloaded. I'm pretty noob at compiling from tarballs, etc.
[12:40] <jelly1> just use apt-get
[12:41] <jelly1> TAFB: eww
[12:41] <jelly1> oh wait nevermind
[12:41] <TAFB> rofl
[12:41] <knoppies> Matrikular, welcome to linux and Im impressed with how quickly you have caught on.
[12:41] <jelly1> if you are a noob, use the package manager ;)
[12:41] <TAFB> don't let the .xxx fool ya
[12:41] <axion> got an SKS?
[12:42] <TAFB> yep, is it not in the pic? lol. 1 sec.
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[12:42] <pgimeno> My RPi board looks like a Rev.2, with the 2-pin P6 for reset and the 8-pin extra GPIO. Yet cat /proc/cpuinfo says Revision 0002, which according to http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/09/checking-your-raspberry-pi-board-version/ means it's a Revision 1. Also, I can't use 512Mb of RAM at the moment, only 256. My Questions are, 1) is it normal that I get Revision 0002? and 2) How do I unlock the 512 Mb if I have them?
[12:42] <axion> me too :)
[12:42] <knoppies> Matrikular, I think so yes. When using apt-get you are getting from a repository, and the updates in the repos tend to be a bit behind the latest.
[12:42] <TAFB> sks: http://www.tafb.xxx/guns/pictures/gunsalltogethergood/large/PICT1119.JPG
[12:42] <jelly1> that's because it's debian ;)
[12:42] <knoppies> pgimeno, if you have the 512MB of ram then you have to do a kernal update (I think its the kernal). Are you using rasbian?
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[12:43] <pgimeno> knoppies: To be honest I am not sure. The SD card says Debian, but it came with a predefined user 'pi' password 'raspberry'.
[12:43] <jelly1> first of all update then ;)
[12:44] <knoppies> pgimeno, can you see the chip on the actual board. On the big chip in the middle is a model number. If that has 4M in it, then I think you have a rev 2 board, and if its 2M then I think its a rev1. But tbh It's been a while since I have done anything Pi related and my memory sucks.
[12:44] <axion> TAFB: you are an odd one
[12:44] <axion> but nice :)
[12:44] <TAFB> lol. thanks :)
[12:44] <jelly1> let me show you my collection: empty.gif
[12:44] <knoppies> pgimeno, then I think that is rasbian. You should be able to run some kind of rasbian-config or something (someone help me out here) which gives you an update option.
[12:44] <jelly1> :p
[12:44] <axion> prepping for the zombies? or showing off to ATS?
[12:44] <TAFB> ATS?
[12:45] <axion> conspiracy web site
[12:45] <axion> abovetopsecret
[12:45] <Matrikular> knoppies: thx, i doubt that i really gonna be victorious on my attempt to build a "package" of my own but, lets see
[12:45] <TAFB> for zombies I'd use my AK47 clone with 40mm M203 grenade launcher ;) http://www.tafb.xxx/guns/videos/9thEESA/mov00a.wmv
[12:45] <jelly1> Matrikular: if your going to build stuff yourself please create a .deb
[12:45] <knoppies> Matrikular, find a tutorial on how to compile nginx from source.
[12:45] <jelly1> most of them suck probably
[12:46] <knoppies> jelly1, why?
[12:46] <pgimeno> knoppies: I ran sudo raspi-config and selected update, but that seemed to only update raspi-config itself
[12:46] <jelly1> cause they install in /usr/local/ knoppies
[12:46] <Matrikular> whats a .deb =) and dont kill me for that question
[12:46] <jelly1> http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/162
[12:46] <jelly1> that looks ok
[12:46] <knoppies> pgimeno, now restart your pi. When it comes back on type free on the terminal.
[12:47] <jelly1> http://wiki.nginx.org/Install#Official_Debian.2FUbuntu_packages Matrikular
[12:47] <knoppies> Matrikular, a .deb is a package. You can compare it to an install file.
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[12:47] <jelly1> anyway a stable release is just fine
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[12:48] <Matrikular> ive been in the documentation but the ppa stuff somehow confused me, thats not for "me (and my pi) right?
[12:48] <jelly1> Matrikular: ppa wont work for the pi
[12:48] <Matrikular> thought as much
[12:48] <jelly1> Matrikular: but you should check the debian stuff
[12:48] <jelly1> ohwait that wont even work nevermind
[12:48] <jelly1> ignore that
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[12:48] <jelly1> wrong arch :P
[12:48] <Matrikular> </ignored>
[12:49] <Matrikular> i hate to ask, knoppies: why would i want to compare a .deb package to an install file?
[12:49] <pgimeno> knoppies: no change, and there's something suspicious. In /boot, start.elf is ~2.0 Mb, yet I downloaded one from github and is ~2.5 Mb
[12:50] <jelly1> pgimeno: don't do that
[12:50] <jelly1> ugh
[12:50] <jelly1> don't copy the /boot from github to /boot
[12:50] <pgimeno> jelly1: don't do what? download a file?
[12:50] <jelly1> pgimeno: don't overwrite /boot
[12:50] <pgimeno> hey, I didn't, I just downloaded it and came here for advice :)
[12:50] <jelly1> good
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[12:51] <knoppies> Matrikular, when I said compare I was thinking schema (in terms of our brain and memory). In windows you download a .exe file which installs everything in the appropriate places on your computer. A .deb holds all the files and where they should go. Then a package manager (like apt-get) can install it for you.
[12:51] <jelly1> doesn't raspbian provide a raspberrypi-fimrware package?
[12:51] <TAFB> it does? rpi-update? https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[12:51] <jelly1> TAFB: i don't know
[12:51] <jelly1> TAFB: archlinuxarm just has a firmware pakage
[12:52] <knoppies> pgimeno, have you done a apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
[12:52] <pgimeno> jelly1: it seems to be raspberry-bootloader
[12:52] <Matrikular> ah, okay - pardon me i just missunderstood "compare" or, took it literaly - lot of thx for your explanation though, highly appreciated
[12:52] <pgimeno> knoppies: no
[12:52] <TAFB> ahhh, new arch raspberrypi kernel was pushed out last night.
[12:52] <jelly1> TAFB: just a minor revision
[12:52] <jelly1> alarm/raspberrypi-firmware 20130110-1
[12:52] <knoppies> pgimeno, you can try that (if you only have a 2G SD card you probably dont have enough space for all the .deb files)
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[12:52] <TAFB> ahhh. no problems booting from ext4 with this one?!?
[12:52] <knoppies> Matrikular, pleasure. Sorry I didnt mean to confuse you.
[12:52] <jelly1> TAFB: uh
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[12:53] <jelly1> TAFB: my / is ext4 i hope :p
[12:53] <TAFB> yikes :) lol
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[12:53] <TAFB> last update they had all kinda of problems if your /boot was on ext4
[12:53] <jelly1> TAFB: mine isnt
[12:53] <Gordio> git clone github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[12:53] <knoppies> TAFB, you talking debian or arch?
[12:53] <jelly1> Gordio: why would you want too
[12:53] <TAFB> arch
[12:54] <jelly1> ugh
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[12:54] <axion> gotta love arch for not needing rpi-update
[12:54] <jelly1> axion: indeed
[12:54] <jelly1> axion: i wonder why raspbian doenst have a package
[12:54] <axion> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd version
[12:54] <axion> Jan 9 2013 17:27:35
[12:54] <axion> they do
[12:54] <jelly1> oh
[12:54] <jelly1> lol
[12:54] <jelly1> but no one cares or knows ?:p
[12:54] <axion> apt-get install raspberrypi*
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[12:55] <pgimeno> I'm updating only raspberrypi-bootloader just in case
[12:55] <jelly1> which is the firmware
[12:56] <axion> im not sure. i never used a debian based system in my life
[12:56] <pgimeno> it wanted to install also libraspberrypi-doc, 31 Mb... ugh
[12:56] <axion> except this one time i puked in front of an ubuntu pc
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[12:56] <jelly1> oh fuuuu
[12:56] <jelly1> stupid make files
[12:57] <axion> apt-get is so slow, and noticably, painfully slow on a pi
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[12:59] <jelly1> yay /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lilclient
[13:00] <axion> ldconfig
[13:00] <axion> oh wow
[13:00] <axion> ld?
[13:00] <jelly1> pretty sure mine should be corret :P
[13:00] <jelly1> hmm
[13:01] <Gordio> ????????????
[13:01] <Gordio> axion, apt-get slooow!?
[13:01] <Gordio> Ypu not use emerge xD
[13:01] <jelly1> emerge is slower
[13:01] <jelly1> and doesnt even have much benefit :p
[13:01] <Gordio> 45seconds for find dependencies to nano :D
[13:01] <axion> well ilclient is in /opt/emerge is fast at installing, just as slow at compiling than the rest
[13:02] <jelly1> To build the test apps, first build the libs:
[13:02] <jelly1> make -C libs/ilclient
[13:02] <jelly1> make -C libs/vgfont
[13:02] <jelly1> ugh
[13:02] <axion> wtf are you doing this by hand for?
[13:02] <jelly1> axion: o?
[13:03] <jelly1> oh hehe
[13:03] <axion> what are you trying to do?
[13:03] <jelly1> axion: getting heloo_jpeg to compile :P
[13:03] <pgimeno> and... yay! 512 Mb, revision 000f - thanks a lot jelly1 and knoppies
[13:03] <Gordio> Hm on 1GHz overclocked work better - emerge -p nano 36.29s user 5.33s system 78% cpu 53.191 total
[13:03] <knoppies> axion, other than arch what have you used? (linux)
[13:04] <axion> knoppies: gentoo briefly, mainly LFS
[13:04] <knoppies> pgimeno, pleasure. What did you have to update? just the raspberrypi-bootloader?
[13:04] <axion> i started on slackware 1.0
[13:04] <axion> though
[13:04] <jelly1> yay fatal errors
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[13:04] <pgimeno> knoppies: yes, only that
[13:04] <knoppies> axion, you mean http://www.lfs.net/
[13:05] <knoppies> pgimeno, thanks.
[13:05] <axion> no i mean linuxfromscratch.org
[13:05] <axion> what Arch 0.1 was built from
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[13:05] <jchvvs> good afternoon
[13:05] <derRichard> hi
[13:06] <knoppies> axion, I was teasing you.
[13:06] <axion> knoppies: ok...
[13:06] <jelly1> some include is wrong
[13:07] <jelly1> pretty sure my ldconfig is right
[13:07] <axion> jelly -I/correct/path
[13:07] <jelly1> axion: already have that
[13:09] <jelly1> clude/interface/vcos/pthreads -I./ -I/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/ilclient -I/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/vgfont -g -c jpeg.c -o j
[13:09] <jelly1> hmm
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[13:11] <axion> cloning myself
[13:11] <axion> see you ~700mb later
[13:11] <jelly1> axion: going to kill something brb
[13:11] <jelly1> even the example method doesnt work
[13:11] <jelly1> i remember fixing this
[13:12] <jelly1> In file included from ilclient.c:52:0:
[13:12] <jelly1> /opt/vc/include/interface/vmcs_host/vchost.h:31:27: fatal error: vchost_config.h: No such file or directory
[13:12] <axion> me too
[13:12] <jelly1> hehe
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[13:12] <axion> me too
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[13:19] <Kottizen> rossw: I have successfully been able to stream the episodes I'm watching using a SSHFS mounted folder to the pi - it's working like a charm. :)
[13:19] <Kottizen> rossw: 14:44 < rossw> let us know how you get on anyway Kottizen
[13:20] <pgimeno> bye for now, thanks again for the help!
[13:20] <axion> sshfs wont cut it for high bitrate h264
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[13:20] <jelly1> jsut use nfs then
[13:20] <axion> indeed
[13:20] <jelly1> no encryption bloat :p
[13:21] <axion> its less overhead than SMB too
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[13:25] <jelly1> axion: compiled it by fixing broken header :p
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[13:27] <rossw> Kottizen: \o/
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[13:28] <axion> ok
[13:28] <jelly1> axion: well that compiled ilclient
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[13:33] <axion> jelly1: no need to fix header
[13:33] <axion> just compile ilclient first, then hello_jpeg
[13:33] <axion> works here
[13:33] <axion> it cant find the library that is yet to be built!
[13:33] <jelly1> huh
[13:34] <jelly1> axion: it couldnt ind vchost_config here
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[13:34] <axion> that sounds like a bigger problem
[13:34] <axion> i didnt experience that
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[13:35] <axion> ensure /opt/vc/lib is in ld.so.conf
[13:36] <jelly1> it is
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[13:37] <axion> running firmware inconsistent with installed firmware?
[13:37] <jelly1> nope
[13:37] <jelly1> axion: it compiled
[13:37] <axion> i did not get any errors aside -lilclient not found until i built it
[13:37] <axion> nothing about vchost_config
[13:37] <jelly1> ok
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[13:42] <derRichard> i'm looking for the guy how does most of the kernel stuff on the pi linux kernel. (popcornmix is his name in the git changelogs)
[13:42] <derRichard> is he here?
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[13:42] <Megaf> finally, after a few capacitor I got my wifi dongle working
[13:43] <Megaf> capacitor*
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[13:43] <Megaf> I had to put a big capacitor at the Pi USB power line and at the Pi power line
[13:43] <Megaf> still, when I plug the dongle the rpi will reset
[13:44] <Megaf> but at least if I boot it with the dongle, it will work
[13:45] <axion> TAFB: link to your infamous hack pic
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[13:46] <Dumbasdirt> Exit
[13:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> popcornmix is dom on the forums I think
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[13:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> he does not come here
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[13:49] <mashk> Hi
[13:49] <Megaf> Hello
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[13:50] <mashk> I am cross-compiling C hello world program on my Linux machine and when I execute on Rpi then it does nothing, I have to kill it, it does not exit, not error is displayed
[13:50] <knoppies> I tried to get an NFS host on a windows 7 machine working but no luck.
[13:50] <knoppies> sorry that was offtopic
[13:51] <dr_willis> Hard to do from what i hear also. ;)
[13:51] <Gordio> mashk, compile on you Raspberry PI
[13:51] <Gordio> On use crosscompile
[13:51] <mashk> Gordio, I use cross-compiler
[13:51] <mashk> Gordio, /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc-4.7 test.c -o test -static
[13:52] <mashk> Gordio, but it loops forever on Rpi
[13:52] <Gordio> hm
[13:52] <axion> check ldd
[13:52] <axion> and did you compile it for the correct sub architecture?
[13:53] <mashk> axion, I used the command I showed to Gordio
[13:53] <axion> and which float abi does your pi use?
[13:53] <Gordio> /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc-4.7 -v
[13:53] <mashk> armv6l ?
[13:54] <Gordio> ops no
[13:54] <Gordio> RPI - armv6
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[13:54] <Megaf> what the
[13:54] <Megaf> my PC just woke up on its own
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[13:55] <axion> paste output of ldd hello_world.bin
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[13:56] <mashk> axion, not a dynamic executable
[13:56] <knoppies> Megaf, USB or Ethernet can do that.
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[13:56] <axion> ok, so make sure the static libraries are abi compatible with the target system
[13:57] <Megaf> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
[13:57] <Megaf> conservative ondemand userspace powersave performance
[13:57] <Megaf> interesting
[13:57] <Megaf> wondering the difference between conservative and powersave
[13:57] <axion> conservative is more power saving
[13:58] <Megaf> more than powersave?
[13:58] <axion> it gradually increases the cpu steps rather than loest or highest only
[13:58] <axion> as with powersave
[13:58] <axion> not sure it applies for the pi
[13:58] <Megaf> using the standard ondemand I see it jumps from 600 MHz to 1 GHz with no steps
[13:58] <Zta> powersave uses the lowest CPU MHz I think.
[13:58] <axion> correct
[13:59] <Zta> performance uses max.
[13:59] <axion> powersave uses the lowest unless it needs more then it uses the highest
[13:59] <axion> conservative will use anything inbetween
[13:59] <Megaf> im using watch -n 0.2 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq to monitor the cpufreq
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[14:00] <Zta> Conservative slowly speeds the CPU up when it has been loaded for some time; Ondemand maxes CPU immediately and slowly slows it down. ...or something like that.
[14:00] <axion> correct
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[14:00] <Zta> Ask Wiki P., she knows ;)
[14:00] <mashk> axion, is armv6l the armhf ?
[14:00] <axion> no
[14:01] <Megaf> Right, now my rpi is running at 500 MHz
[14:01] <Zta> axion: Powersave can speed up cpu if demanded? I'm not sure I've ever seen that happen (on desktop Ubuntu).
[14:01] <Megaf> I'm wondering what would be the max frequency that this CPU could handle.
[14:02] <axion> mashk: my config http://codepad.org/0mmxEGnY
[14:03] <axion> Zta: then you dont have the governor in use
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[14:04] <mashk> axion, thanks
[14:05] <axion> Megaf: i run at 1000, though others on the elinux wiki have stable settings that are higher
[14:05] <axion> well 400-1000 that is
[14:05] <axion> 400 being the lowest
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[14:09] <Megaf> yep, it wont go to 1100000
[14:09] <axion> i dont think we have consumer THz cpu's available anywhere
[14:10] <Megaf> 1GHz100MHz000Hz
[14:10] <axion> i can run 1100 i choose not to
[14:11] <axion> you will ned to overvolt more than likely
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[14:16] <Gordio> 500MHz very slow =)
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[14:17] <axion> if you're not using dynamic clocking, yup
[14:18] <Gordio> 800 comfort for use mc in tty
[14:18] <Gordio> Use.
[14:19] <Gordio> Ond governor conservative
[14:19] <Gordio> vith up_threshold 30 :P
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[14:33] <Megaf> conservative its a cool governor indeed
[14:33] <Megaf> 400 MHz to 1 GHz here
[14:33] <Megaf> working fine
[14:34] <Megaf> it will slowly increase and decrease the cpu frequency
[14:35] <Megaf> brb
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[15:08] <TheLogan> Hi folks
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[15:11] <TheLogan> I have a little problem with my raspberry pi, I recieved it at christmas and set it up at my parents house using their monitur etc, now I'm back home and my screen only takes vga, since I don't have a direct hdmi, I'm currently running it through first a hdmi to dvi adapter and then a dvi to vga adapter, but my screen can't find any connections when the RPI is connected, and yea, it's physically connected and powered, Ive doubl
[15:12] <mjr> it doesn't work like that
[15:12] <mjr> dvi to vga only works because (most) dvi connectors include extra vga pins
[15:12] <mjr> hdmi doesn't
[15:12] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[15:12] <IT_Sean> That will never work.
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[15:13] <IT_Sean> You need to use a monitor with a composite or hdmi input.
[15:13] <mjr> you need an active (expensive) hdmi->vga converter
[15:13] <TheLogan> Oh..
[15:14] <TheLogan> that sucks.. =/ thanks though
[15:14] <mjr> (and hdmi to dvi works because the _digital_ side uses the same signaling with some hdmi additions, but that's only for the digital)
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[15:15] <TheLogan> Ok, too bad
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[15:22] <mgottschlag> didn't someone talk about vga-over-gpio yesterday? I really have to try that :D
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[15:23] <shiftplusone> is it pure gpio or through another chip? O_o
[15:24] <mgottschlag> well, you can output vga signals from atmega chips, so why shouldn't the bcm2835 not be able to do that via bit banging?
[15:24] <mgottschlag> (just with a level shifter inbetween)
[15:24] <shiftplusone> that would be interesting
[15:24] <mgottschlag> vga is 25.725Mhz or something like that, so "real" 640x480 maybe is a bit unrealistic
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[15:25] <mgottschlag> *25.179
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[15:35] <ExeciN> anyone tried those bone conduction headsets?
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[15:36] <shiftplusone> O_o
[15:37] <shiftplusone> I can't picture anything other than an electric chair >.>
[15:38] <shiftplusone> (which I am not too keen on trying)
[15:38] <ExeciN> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bone+conduction
[15:38] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone, an electric chair? o_O
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[15:39] <shiftplusone> IT_Sean, idk, 'bone conducting headset' just sounds painful for some reason.
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[15:40] <IT_Sean> It conducts the sound vibrations through the bones in your head near your ear. Soooooo much more comfortable than having earbuts stuck IN your ear.
[15:40] <IT_Sean> Though usually they don't sound as good as really well made full cup over the ear headphones.
[15:40] <shiftplusone> I know what it is, I am just saying it doesn't sound like what it is
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[15:40] * IT_Sean <3s his Beyerdynamic DT990s
[15:40] <ExeciN> IT_Sean: this is what I was afraid of
[15:41] <shiftplusone> So if it doesn't sound as good, what's the point?
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[15:41] <knoppies> shiftplusone, less ear discomfort?
[15:41] <knoppies> Im guessing
[15:41] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone, it doesn't sound BAD. It's just not the be all end all of audio, IMO.
[15:41] <IT_Sean> And comfort is the point.
[15:41] <shiftplusone> got it
[15:41] <ExeciN> shiftplusone: since your ears are not covered you can hear what happens around you
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[15:42] <antihc3> anyone seen where 2 diff pi both model B, one will boot a 32Gb SDHC SanDisk and the other will not
[15:42] <shiftplusone> not for me then
[15:42] <shiftplusone> antihc3, I had that with an 8gb class 10 card, but only that one card.
[15:43] <ExeciN> IT_Sean: What would you rate the sound quality from 0 to 10 as it comes to noise canceling headphones, earbuds and bone conduction headset?
[15:43] <shiftplusone> antihc3, One pi required me to reinsert it 20 times before it would boot. People have suggested that there may have been dust in an awkward spot on in the sd card holder, but I am not so sure.
[15:44] <IT_Sean> ExeciN, too general.
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[15:44] <IT_Sean> I can rate a specific model of each, but, you are comparing apples to diesel fuel to unicorn farts here.
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[15:44] <antihc3> shiftplusone, interesting i will see if that helps (blow it out etc)
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[15:47] <pecorade> Hi.
[15:48] <ExeciN> IT_Sean: apples have a thin pleasant smell, diesel fuel have a strong strange smell and unicorn farts have a strong rainbow smell
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[16:23] <knoppies> I love the smell of two stroke.
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[16:24] <neilr> Another two-stroke fetishist?
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[16:24] <knoppies> neilr, well it doesnt make me horny but I get excited. It reminds me of the jet-ski.
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[16:25] <neilr> I used to race proddy and GP 250 bikes
[16:25] <knoppies> ExeciN, I've never used noise canceling headphones, but sound quality is subjective. I prefer the cheaper headphones with better base because it suits the music I listen to.
[16:25] <Gordio> loozers! :D
[16:25] * Gordio use AZZIMUT >_<
[16:26] <knoppies> neilr, never heard of proddy. I have a quad, but havent done any racing yet. I want to get into kart racing as I think its probably going to be the cheapest, but after having a look Im not so sure anymore. That stuff gets pretty expensive too.
[16:26] <neilr> proddy - production based classes. Used to race a Yam TZR250
[16:26] <knoppies> ExeciN, sorry I cant think about one thing and type another, bass*
[16:26] <neilr> http://www.ronketti.org.uk/racediary/
[16:27] <neilr> Then did GP250 racing on a TZ250
[16:27] <neilr> And you're right about cost :-/
[16:28] <knoppies> ExeciN, I know that the headphones that cost 4 times as much have better sound reproduction and would make sense with classical or possibly even jazz music, but Im into heavy metal and hard rock, distortion is a given.
[16:28] <knoppies> neilr, so racing bikes is not necessarily cheaper than racing cars? Im looking more at hobby than competitive.
[16:29] <neilr> Not at all. Racing GP250s cost me >15K per year
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[16:29] <knoppies> But Im sure racing cars costs more.
[16:29] <neilr> Plenty of car classes are cheaper
[16:29] <ExeciN> knoppies: What are the chances of hitting someone who has my taste of music and tried them? Thanks. You got me out of the trouble.
[16:32] <knoppies> neilr, Im not sure how Im going to find a class that I would enjoy but not become broke in. Thats why I thought I would start with Karts, but I have nobody to ask on actual figures to expect.
[16:32] <knoppies> I know that it all comes down to what I put into it, but I have no idea what to expect.
[16:32] <IT_Sean> knoppies, depending on what part of the world you are in, there are plenty of inexpensive car racing options.
[16:33] <IT_Sean> How inexpensive are you looking for?
[16:33] <neilr> Ah, well, the enjoyment doesn't equate with the expense. I found out that I prefer production racing to GP racing, despite it costing about 20%
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[16:33] <knoppies> IT_Sean, in New Zealand. At the moment I don't have a budget. I'm fresh out of Uni looking for a job.
[16:33] <neilr> If I was to take up car racing (and I'm not, as I'm not a good driver) I'd look at 2CV racing
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[16:34] <dolus-> Hello folks.
[16:34] <IT_Sean> Ah. Well... Nothing in motorsport comes free. But there are plentyo f racing leagues and classes centered around cheap to obtain & build cars.
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[16:34] * IT_Sean would love to take it up, but hasn't the budget to acquire a 2nd car & all the safety kit.
[16:34] <neilr> New Zealand? Ever heard of John Britten?
[16:34] <knoppies> neilr, I thought I would start with something like a lotus 7 kit car doing track days and hill climbs. Im not a horrible driver but I have a lot to learn.
[16:35] <knoppies> nope, does he have an autobiography?
[16:35] <neilr> Ah, here in the UK we have the 'Caterham Academy' for for that kind of thing.
[16:35] <neilr> Yes - he designed, and built a race bike in his shed. Beat the world with it.
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[16:35] <neilr> Total genius.
[16:36] <knoppies> IT_Sean, I just googled 2CV and I know I want to get into classic racing but not quite something like that.
[16:36] <knoppies> I will see if I can get a hold of his book.
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[16:36] <dolus-> Anyone using a pi as a media server? I was thinking of an external usb storage drive for the space. Not sure if it can handle the load though. Just me connecting, and only streaming to one tv at a time (pi connected via hdmi to the tv's)
[16:36] <IT_Sean> knoppies, Just remember, you can have just as much fun, often times more fun, in an old banger as in a shiny new supercar.
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[16:36] <mjr> so not really a server but a media player?
[16:36] <mjr> people do use it for that
[16:37] <dolus-> To serve the media files to the other pis, yeah.
[16:37] <knoppies> IT_Sean, I know, which is why I thought I would start with a lotus 7.
[16:37] <knoppies> dolus-, the USB has about a 20MB/s limit, which is better than the Ethernet which is about 10MB/s. But the SD card is often horribly slow. So its not like you have a better option.
[16:37] <neilr> Take a look and see if there's a Caterham class around where you are. Cheaper than a genuine 7.
[16:37] <mjr> dolus-, oh, so several pis. Yes, it would most likely work for that.
[16:37] <neilr> Sorry mods - I know this is off-topic!
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[16:38] <dolus-> I think it would be a fun project.
[16:38] <knoppies> neilr, I was thinking of something other than genuine. I doubt there are more than a handful of genuines if any at all in NZ. We have a company called Fraser, which do something similar to Caterham. neilr its not entirely off topic. I was thinking of using the Pi as a data logger in a car or two.
[16:39] <knoppies> neilr, I believe that the correct word is locust.
[16:39] <IT_Sean> neilr, off topic is very much okay here. Just keep it clean. :p
[16:39] <knoppies> oh, you mean use the Pi to host the HDD and pass it over the ethernet to the other Pis? That should work, but why not just use one Pi?
[16:39] <knoppies> dolus-,
[16:39] <dolus-> I guess I am new to this kind of thing is why.
[16:40] <neilr> That's the first time I've seen the word 'clean' used when the conversation started with two-stroke racing :)
[16:40] <dolus-> I figured I had to have one as a server, and the others as clients connected via hdmi to all the tv's.
[16:40] <knoppies> You might want to investigate NFS because SSHFS (or similar) has a lot of overhead.
[16:40] <mjr> dolus-, yes, that sounds like a reasonable setup
[16:40] <knoppies> neilr, two stroke is very clean. No valves to worry about.
[16:40] <neilr> You've never cleaned out a set of pipes from a two-stroke engine have you? ;)
[16:41] <knoppies> neilr, Not unless revving the thing counts.
[16:41] <dolus-> knoppies: How could I accomplish this task with 1 pi?
[16:41] <dolus-> I am just curious.
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[16:41] <knoppies> dolus-, I was thinking you only had one TV, but you seem to imply more. You plug the Pi into the TV with your HDMI cable and the HDD into the USB. Then run something like VLC or (I forget the name of the Pi player, but I think its better)
[16:42] <knoppies> brb,
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[16:42] <dolus-> Oh I see, that would be cool to though for a 1 tv setup.
[16:43] <dolus-> Thanks for the input mjr, knoppies.
[16:43] <mjr> dolus-, you wouldn't necessarily need a separate server pi though, you could use one of the TV ones
[16:43] <dolus-> Tv one?
[16:43] <dolus-> Oh nm.
[16:43] <dolus-> You are saying one could double.
[16:43] <mjr> one of the Pis connected to the TVs could also have the storage, and share it to the others (while also playing the stuff itself when required)
[16:44] <dolus-> Gotcha.
[16:44] <dolus-> This is going the be the fun!
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[16:44] <dolus-> to be*
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[16:46] <knoppies> dolus-, IMO the Pi "almost" has enough oomph to be a media player. So if you have the patience then go for it, if you want seemless then you are probably better off looking for something like: http://www.intel.co.nz/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html
[16:47] <knoppies> dolus-, it is about double the price of a Pi. If fun is what you are after then stick with the Pi. Depending on how high def your videos are.
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[16:49] <dolus-> Well the videos are all hd. And seamless would be preferable. Thanks for advice, I will look around more.
[16:49] <dolus-> What cool things are you guys doing with your pi?
[16:50] <knoppies> dolus-, where I live that intel board I linked is about double the price of one Pi. It has a built in Processor but you have to buy it a power supply, ram and an HDD, which all add up.
[16:50] <dolus-> Indeed.
[16:51] * antihc3 still has not had luck with his 32Gb card :(
[16:51] <dolus-> I may just build a cheap media server with lots of drive space.
[16:51] <knoppies> dolus-, I wanted to use mine to turn a webcam (the Logitech C920) into an IP cam, but the USB on the Pi has issues. Ive heard that they fixed the issues but I havent tried since.
[16:51] <dolus-> knoppies: Fun idea =)
[16:52] <dolus-> knoppies: I hear lots of folks run their garden sprinklers with them lol.
[16:52] <knoppies> dolus-, another thing I want(ed) to do was use it in a car for hobby telemetry data logging. But I dont have a car that is new enough to talk OBD2.
[16:52] <dolus-> I was thinking of using one in a car to.
[16:52] <dolus-> Not as humble of an application though =)
[16:52] <knoppies> I also would like to use relays to turn house lights on and off, and maybe even open/close curtains but Im not sure if Im going to use the Pi for that. I have a lot more research to do.
[16:53] <dolus-> Automation is such a fun place to tinker.
[16:53] <dolus-> I was thinking of a touchscreen calendar.
[16:53] <dolus-> For my room on the wall.
[16:53] <knoppies> dolus-, as what? a media server? I have a friend who has strapped 5 batteries to his Pi and plugged in a 3G modem and GPS dongle, so it tracks itself and then sends the coords over the internet. http://www.milos.ivanovic.co.nz/blog
[16:54] <dolus-> knoppies: Sweet!
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[16:54] <knoppies> dolus-, that sounds pretty cool, I havent looked into cheap touchscreens though. I think for me it would be cheaper buying a bottom of the line Android smart phone for that.
[16:54] <dolus-> Yeah.
[16:54] <dolus-> I am sure.
[16:54] <dolus-> I just like the pi!
[16:54] <knoppies> good :)
[16:55] <SpeedEvil> or getting a purpose built tracker
[16:55] <SpeedEvil> which uses an order of magnitude less power
[16:55] <dolus-> I really hope they can drive the price down a little more, these things are really gunna be awesome for third world kids.
[16:55] <ReggieUK> you can't add your own blinken lights to a tracker/android phone though!
[16:55] <dolus-> ReggieUK: !!!
[16:55] <ReggieUK> well, maybe a tracker you might
[16:56] <ReggieUK> and SpeedEvil, I'm sure you could add blinkies to an android phone :D
[16:58] <mikey_w> Why does the OUYA have a fan? Isn't the same SOC used in tablets and phones?
[16:59] <ReggieUK> perhaps they expect developers pushing these things to the limits and don't want things over heating
[16:59] <mikey_w> oops wrong channel.
[17:01] <Gadgetoid> OUYA come in here for??? badum tshhh!
[17:01] <knoppies> SpeedEvil, he was having fun, don't rip him about it.
[17:02] <Gadgetoid> I have a Quick2Wire kit to solder up, and looking at the bare board made me weep tears of molten solder
[17:02] <knoppies> SpeedEvil, the post on his blog is a bit outdated. It looks like this now: http://www.wut.co.nz/images/34ah.jpg
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[17:10] <ExeciN> knoppies: battery life of that?
[17:11] <knoppies> ExeciN, not sure, when he had this it was about a day: http://www.wut.co.nz/images/lm2596s.jpg but I think he just plugged in the 5 new batteries today.
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[17:13] * mjr presumes there's extra power wiring to the dongle under there
[17:13] <knoppies> ExeciN, Milos is in this channel. You can ask him yourself at a later stage. I suspect he is sleeping now.
[17:13] <knoppies> mjr, Nope, the dongle gets its power from USB. and uses very little compared to the 3G unit.
[17:13] <ExeciN> mjr: I think not
[17:14] <knoppies> mjr, or did you mean the 3G dongle and not the GPS one?
[17:14] <ExeciN> you can see the DC-DC module he used in the side of the battery
[17:14] <mjr> yes I meant the vodafone one
[17:14] <knoppies> the DC-DC module is a regulator and its on the right hand side. I suspect that display on the left is the voltage of the batteries pre-regulator (so he knows how flat they are)
[17:15] <knoppies> that vodafone dongle just gets its power from USB. He has a keep-alive script to keep it working. It drops out frequently.
[17:16] <knoppies> and if you are interested, the Pi runs Gentoo.
[17:16] <mjr> wait, it looks like he feeds power through the GPIO pins. Did that bypass the input fuse?
[17:16] <Gordio> knoppies, ??????????????????)
[17:16] <knoppies> mjr, yes it does. And yes I think he does.
[17:16] <knoppies> Gordio, I have no idea what that means.
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[17:16] <Gordio> knoppies, good)
[17:16] <Gordio> cool/
[17:16] <mjr> yep, well, that would probably help
[17:17] <knoppies> mjr, he tried many voltage regulators before settling with that one. They all had Voltage drop on current draw, which meant USB drop.
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[17:18] <knoppies> and I think he fried a Pi at one point. Not sure why but we suspect it was power over GPIO pins related.
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[17:19] <Hodapp> I fried a micro at my old jorb by accidentally plugging Vcc into -19 V instead of +5 V.
[17:19] <Hodapp> Ooops.
[17:19] <knoppies> Hodapp, oops.
[17:20] <Hodapp> They had a breadboard where the +5 V and -19 V rails were right near each other.
[17:20] <swart> spares are good
[17:20] <dniMretsaM> good morning guys
[17:20] <swart> fortunately they're cheap
[17:20] <Gordio> dniMretsaM, gm
[17:20] <Torikun> yo
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[17:22] <scummos> Hodapp: now "breadboard" sounds even more like "toaster" ;)
[17:22] <Hodapp> scummos: I was lucky to get that much. There's a reason it's my _old_ job.
[17:22] <dniMretsaM> anything interesting happen yet today?
[17:24] <scummos> Hodapp: heh, what else did they do? ;)
[17:25] <Hodapp> scummos: It was just a job filled with bureaucratic idiocy and they refused to trust employees with anything, that's all
[17:25] <scummos> yeah, I can imagine the kind of company
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[17:54] <Adya> jghjhlbgae.rgb;a edgv
[17:54] <Adya> oh
[17:54] <Adya> I'm sorry :D
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[17:57] <s5fs> blahalrkdh quite alright!
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[18:00] <tinti> Hello, for those who are interested the llvmlinux project is trying to support Raspberry Pi. Currently we are facing problems with SMSC95XX, thus we don't have USB/Ethernet (yet). Here a link for the system image: http://bit.ly/VVa5tE
[18:00] <tinti> I hope you enjoy :)
[18:01] <ne2k> tinti: link to the project home?
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[18:01] <ne2k> http://llvm.linuxfoundation.org/index.php/Main_Page ?
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[18:01] <ne2k> tinti: what actually is this?
[18:01] <s5fs> tinti: i'd trust that image a lot more if it came from somewhere other than dropbox
[18:01] <s5fs> no md5sum either, sheesh man
[18:02] <tinti> ne2k: No this is a full build that I have made. It is using kernel 3.2.27 cutdown compiled with Clang/LLVM
[18:02] <ne2k> tinti: what actually is Clang/LLVM?
[18:03] <tinti> s5fs: wow, you are right. I am sorry to not provide much more info let me do the checksum at least.
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[18:03] <dniMretsaM> ne2k: they're compilers
[18:03] <ne2k> honestly, I have spend three minutes on the website and I have no idea what it is
[18:03] <s5fs> tinti: we're skeptical penguins in this community, haha! that being said, i fully appreciate your work and hope to give it a try (once it's clearly safe to do so ;-)
[18:03] <ne2k> a penguin with dragon wings
[18:03] <tinti> s5fs: We are still under development. But you can download it from the Wiki and build by your own a system image. Normally I just change the raspbian kernel and modules.
[18:04] <s5fs> ne2k: yeah who cares what it does, friggin' dragon!
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[18:04] <tinti> ne2k: it is another compiler
[18:05] <swart> tinti: that's awesome
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[18:06] <tinti> but again, I think it is reasonable to not trust the image, but please take a look at the project. Since we us continuous integration, some times the things got broken. That is why I am providing am image.
[18:06] <s5fs> i'm green as a leaf and just beginning to learn how angstrom/OE works. how does clang/llvm fit into this picture, is it complimentary or competing with some or all of oe?
[18:06] <tinti> swart: thanks, enjoy it.
[18:06] <ne2k> if it's a C compiler, shouldn't it just work? or does Linux use masses of GCC tricks?
[18:06] <swart> llvm is pretty large - I find it takes quite some time to build even on a fast PC. do you have docs on cross compiling?
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[18:07] <swart> I think FreeBSD is using LLVM/Clang now
[18:07] <tinti> s5fs: our goal is to provide an alternative, we dont want to replace gcc.
[18:07] <swart> it's got better diagnostics
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[18:07] <s5fs> good to know, thanks!
[18:08] <tinti> ne2k: kernel uses GCC specific code. Specially VLAIS (variable length arrays in struct). So it is not just replacing it.
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[18:08] <swart> having said that I'm only interested in vanilla C on raspi. Obj-C and C++ are too insane for me
[18:08] <tinti> swart: what do you mean by docs?
[18:08] <swart> well a tutorial :)
[18:09] <swart> I'm just getting started with raspi and have only used llvm a bit
[18:09] <tinti> swart: the wiki is a pretty good place, also the maillist. We have also a doc folder in the tree.
[18:09] <ne2k> I thought VLA was part of the C standard now
[18:09] <swart> yes I'll start there for sure
[18:09] <tinti> ne2k: Not in a struct as far as I can tell.
[18:10] <ne2k> ah
[18:10] <tinti> swart: go to OFTC#llvmlinux too :)
[18:11] <swart> nice. I didn't know about oftc
[18:11] <johnc_> I enjoy running c# on my pi :)
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[18:12] <swart> high-level languages are great, but I'm focused on trying to learn the hardware right now
[18:12] <tinti> s5fs: 6ec657c2a11b4bf5a996ece4f6e8d748 *raspberry_pi_2013_01_03_23_23_06_034135570.tar.bz2
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[18:21] <s5fs> tinti: cool, thanks!
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[18:22] <tinti> s5fs: :( but I have made a mistake. This image does contains the FS but the kernel is missing :S
[18:22] <ne2k> lol
[18:22] <s5fs> haha, problem? ;-)
[18:23] <tinti> HUGE BIG TREMENDOUS
[18:24] <antihc3> anyone know what one long green blink means
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[18:24] <tinti> I will fix it and let you know
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[18:26] <s5fs> tinti: cool thanks. i'll try to give it a whirl in the next few days, still waiting for a fancy serial cable to show up (too lazy to build my own)
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[18:26] <tinti> s5fs: I was too.
[18:27] <s5fs> tinti: worse, i'm way too lazy to hook up a keyboard/monitor just for testing images, haha!
[18:28] <tinti> kkk
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[18:35] <kgee> I have an edimax low-power wifi adapter, and a power supply with 5V 1A supply. Even with the verified peripherals, I find my wifi to be very flaky. Unplugging the dongle often resets the pi, wicd-curses can see networks intermitantly, and connectivity is sparse. I'm beginning to rule out 'software' as the issue :(
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[18:36] <ne2k> kgee: do you have another pi to test on?
[18:36] <kgee> ne2k: interesting... I do. I'll have to try it out
[18:36] <chithead> if the pi resets on plug events, then the power supply is maybe not suitable. try with powered hub in between
[18:36] <ne2k> kgee: I've heard that rebooting on USB disconnect is caused by C6 being faulty
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[18:36] <kgee> the strange thing is that for the first few days, wifi worked relatively well.
[18:37] <kgee> I figured it was either a solved problem or a dodged bullet. But now I'm thinking I have to hook up a 2A capable service
[18:37] <kgee> power supply*
[18:38] <chithead> the rating of the power supply (700mA, 1A, 2A, ...) does not matter. it only matters how much the voltage drops under load
[18:38] <NucWin> just because its labled 1A does not mean it is 1A
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[18:39] <kgee> chithead: which is why a power regulator with capacitors for reducing voltage drops is my plan, but the capacitors that came in my shipment were crazy-small. i didnt expect that. I need to get more in order to use the voltage regulators I have
[18:39] <chithead> if it delivers 2A but drops to 4.75V when you load it with more than 500mA, then it still works as advertised. but will not work well with the pi
[18:39] <IT_Sean> It needs to deliver 750ma to the Pi, at 5v.
[18:40] <kgee> chithead: my electronics knowledge is a little limited, but a large amount of research makes me pretty confident that I can hook up a little more power to the device.
[18:40] <kgee> IT_Sean: which is all fine until the USB takes up over half of the 1A available
[18:41] <IT_Sean> right
[18:41] <kgee> I thought the edimax dongle wouldn't but apparently it does
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[18:41] <chithead> you have only 700mA total, because that is the rating of the input fuse
[18:42] <kgee> also, Ive noticed that the power supplies that are sold with the pi in europe give 1.2A, and N America give 1A. This might be why others dont always have the issue
[18:45] <s5fs> i must be lucky, all of the power supplies i have in my house seem to work just fine w/the pi, at least enough to power a single usb bluetooth dongle
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[18:47] <mjr> mine doesn't seem to handle hotplugging of my logitech dinovo mini kb/mousepad dongle
[18:47] <kgee> s5fs: Yeah, I have a wireless mouse/keyboard, so that may be the issue. Trick is, getting wifi online for remote ssh without said mouse/keyboard :P
[18:47] <mjr> memory stick plugging takes less peak current it seems
[18:48] <mjr> and the former works if preplugged in
[18:48] <kgee> Hmm, maybe a powered hub could smooth the transition while I wait for capacitors for my own homebrew battery power supply
[18:48] <s5fs> kgee: i'd try a wired keyboard only, see how that goes. mouse is a nice-to-have, not required for configuration (imho, anyways)
[18:48] <s5fs> kgee: powered hubs seem to be the most popular workaround
[18:49] <kgee> in any case, I just finished compiling the high-availabilty cluster software. A little configuration (key distribution and node discovery) and I should have a 4-pi cluster!
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[18:50] <s5fs> kgee: fun! i thought about buying a few rpis and setting up a mock web server cluster (load-balancers, front-end and back-end servers)
[18:50] <kgee> s5fs: neat! I'm hoping to distribute some computer vision calculations to make my robots respond to the enviroment
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[18:51] <kgee> ... or each other
[18:52] <s5fs> kgee: i'm just getting my feet wet in the embedded space, have a lot to learn. robotics is super cool, you using opencv or something else?
[18:53] <kgee> s5fs: opencv is definitely robust enough to work. I'm hoping to use the included canny edge detection at one or more thresholds to crunch an entire image into a few contour lists. Something smaller than a matrix
[18:53] <kgee> then I can send the smaller list over the network to another pi to do statistical comparison to an object recognition database
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[18:54] <s5fs> interesting that you're using pis all the way down. i would assume using a more powerful computer server and using the pis to fwd work to it would also be effective.
[18:55] <s5fs> but baaah, i know nothing about this space, haha
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[18:55] <kgee> s5fs: I'm interested in attempting to use all pi's, but if it fails I'll use a bigger computer (looking top-down?) to do the CV stuff, and have the pi's simply respond to it's controls/info
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[18:56] <kgee> s5fs: the issue is that clustering simply turns a CPU bound problem into a network bound problem, and the PI isn't exceptionally quick at either
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[18:57] <s5fs> kgee: understood
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[18:58] <antihc3> shiftplusone, well i used a diff img and now my pi is booting the 32gb card. Funny thing is that the other pi would boot the sd card
[18:58] <kgee> but to be able to plug nodes into a battery powered robot and have it's capabilities scale proportionally is a neat idea. robotics/autonomous vehicles don't often see the 'on board cluster' model, so I'm interested in playing with it to see the benefits
[18:58] <march> Hi :)
[18:58] <shiftplusone> antihc3, go figure =/
[18:59] <march> I've got a question. Is it normal that the Pi freezes (GUI) when I plugin any kind of usb-device (Stick, mouse...). It also freezes if I want to shutdown xmbc. Only shutdown via ssh works.
[18:59] <IT_Sean> That is not normal.
[18:59] <kgee> march: I've found that drawing too much power resets the device rather than freezes it, so I can't say
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[19:00] <pksato> march: PSU related issues.
[19:00] <march> Mmmh - OK. So I'll send it back to the shop.
[19:00] <march> PSU?
[19:01] <pksato> power supply
[19:01] <march> Ah - OK. I'm no native speaker so I dindn't know PSU. ;)
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[19:02] <pksato> Power Supply Unit
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[19:02] <march> My PSU is from a Garmin nuvi: 5.4V 1000mAh
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[19:03] <pksato> and, some micro usb cable are made with inadequate wire "size".
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[19:04] <march> So it would be good to test it with the cables of my HTC before returning the pi to the store. Thanks for the hint.
[19:04] <pksato> 5.4V is little above specifications.
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[19:05] <IT_Sean> 5.4v = too high
[19:06] <mjr> a friend ran it with 7v (though from a purportedly 5v source). Reported that the regulator was running pretty hot ;] (Also, she didn't have any USB devices connected)
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[19:11] <rikkib> My camera running nfs root kept running overnight...
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[19:12] <rikkib> Morning folks from a bright and clear NZ this morning
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[19:14] <s5fs> morning!
[19:15] <s5fs> a bit snowy here today, not sticking but was slushy on my drive to work
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[19:17] <double-you> I read on verified peripherals list that my prefered wifi adapter "needs powered USB Hub (B)". How can that be altough the power supply has 1,2A?
[19:18] <mgottschlag> double-you: the polyfuse on the pi limits the amount of available power
[19:18] <mgottschlag> also, rev 1 pis have additional polyfuses at the usb ports
[19:19] <IT_Sean> ^ that. You need a powered hub.
[19:19] <double-you> I thought that this "problem" is sold with the new pis.
[19:19] <double-you> *solved
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[19:20] <double-you> Ok, but I assume it'll work with bypassed usb fuse?
[19:20] <mgottschlag> double-you: the fuse at the microusb connector is still there
[19:21] <mgottschlag> and I think that one limits the total current to 0.75A
[19:21] <mgottschlag> oh, wait
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[19:22] <mgottschlag> it is an 1A fuse, that is still less than 700mA for the cpu/gpu and 500mA for USB
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[19:25] <mgottschlag> @all: anybody knows how to interpret polyfuse markings? it says T075, I expected that to be 750mA
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[19:26] <mgottschlag> but the schematics say 1A
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[19:31] <double-you> I think that the best would be to buy a 2A power supply and bypass the fuse. I want to connect a wifi stick, wireless keyboard stick and 2 external powered usb hard disks to the pi.
[19:32] <IT_Sean> you'll def'nitly need a powered hub for the HDDs, unless they have their own external power supply.
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[19:33] <rikkib> The simple fact of the matter is if you draw to much power from your RPi you will have the same problems many others have related here.
[19:34] <double-you> Yes both are external powered. Best would be to get the power for the hub from the same power supply as the r-pi.
[19:34] <mgottschlag> hm, for how much current are the traces on the PCB rated?
[19:34] <Tachyon`> double-you: that's how I did it actually
[19:34] <shiftplusone> mgottschlag, the pi pcb?
[19:34] <mgottschlag> yes
[19:34] <Tachyon`> I ws able to then run wifi, bt, keyboard radios and a 1.8" HDD from it
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[19:34] <mgottschlag> does it have a dedicated +5V plane, or only thin traces?
[19:34] <double-you> Tachyon`: do you have pictures of it online? :-)
[19:35] <shiftplusone> mgottschlag, I asked a guy from the foundation, he couldn't say off the op of his head, but he said he thinks the limitation is through the LAN/USB chip, which didn't make much sense to me, since the 5v/gnd lines don't go 'through' the lan chip. =/
[19:35] <shiftplusone> *top
[19:36] <Tachyon`> no good ones, lol
[19:37] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.new/thepicloseup.jpg
[19:37] <Tachyon`> that one but you can't really see much
[19:37] <shiftplusone> This might give a few clues though http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/gerbers2.png
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[19:38] <double-you> Tachyon`: and how much A does your power supply have?
[19:39] <shiftplusone> (you can estimate the capacity by the trace width)
[19:39] <Tachyon`> 2A
[19:39] <Tachyon`> samsung note psu actually
[19:42] <double-you> Tachyon`: thank you, your configuration is pretty the same as mine ;-)
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[19:51] <double-you> Tachyon`: what's the product name of your usb hub?
[19:52] <Primer> BTW, regarding that conversation yesterday about Pi availability. Element14 didn't have it, MCM does. My order shipped today from MCM.
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[19:52] <Primer> johnc_: I added an audio stream to my stream. Perhaps you can try it again?
[19:53] <johnc_> Primer: why? it was working yesterday :P
[19:53] <Primer> johnc_: in omx, that is
[19:53] <johnc_> and I don't really have time today, gotta work hard and push out a product
[19:53] <Primer> no worries
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[19:54] <shiftplusone> mgottschlag, regarding the polyfuse, it was a misprint on the schematic, it is indeed 0.75. However, IIRC that's the point it begins to trip at, there is still a bit more current it can draw after than, but at that stage you start to get a significant voltage drop. It has been a while since I looked into it though, so I may have it wrong.
[19:54] <mgottschlag> ah
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[19:55] <Primer> Speaking of voltage drops, anyone think adding a bluetooth transceiver to a Pi could be problematic?
[19:55] <Primer> Only a bluetooth transceiver, nothing else (other than ethernet and HDMI)
[19:56] <shiftplusone> I don't personally know how much they typically draw. Do you have a rev1 or a rev2 board?
[19:56] <Primer> I have no board at all at the moment, but it's on the way. The latest 512m one
[19:58] <shiftplusone> I think it might be ok. if you run into problems, you can put a short or a low value resistor across the polyfuse, if you don't mind a bit of warranty voiding... or just use a hub.
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[20:01] <IT_Sean> Warranties were meant to be voided
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[20:03] <Primer> yeah, I don't think I have one hackable device that I haven't rooted or voided the warranty in some other way
[20:06] <IT_Sean> heh
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[20:06] <IT_Sean> My ThinkPad and my iMac are the only two devices i haven't voided the warrenty on.
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[20:06] <IT_Sean> I voided the one on my chromebook within 5 minutes of receviing it. :p
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[20:11] <SpeedEvil> if you're in the EU, clauses that void warranty on flashing may not be valid
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[20:14] <IT_Sean> I'm not. And i voided the warrenty when i removed the bottom cover to disable the "you ca
[20:14] <IT_Sean> t flash it" mechanism
[20:14] <TAFB> I have a shirt that says "I void warranties" :)
[20:15] <double-you> hehe
[20:15] * shiftplusone wants to see the talking shirt.
[20:15] <mpmc> Lol! thats awesome
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[20:19] <frikinz> In some countries in EU it's allowed to reverse engineer products if they have errors or as a mean for interoperability purpose
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[20:22] <alegen> good evening (to europeans at least). i used dd to write a raspbian image to an SD card. now when i try to sudo mount it i don`t know which filesystem to use. none of them seem to work... anyone who can give me an idea?
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[20:24] <rikkib> First partition is msdos the second partition is Linux ext3. You can not see ext4 with windows
[20:25] <vorsaykal> rikkib: Without thirdparty software.
[20:25] <rikkib> Once written the ext4 partition needs to be resized
[20:25] <Davespice> folks, you know the linux "top" util? the %CPU column - that is in real time isn't it? it's not an aggregate over time or anything? sorry for stupid question :)
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[20:26] <rikkib> rt
[20:26] <rikkib> load average is over time
[20:27] <rikkib> To resize a partition use raspi-config
[20:27] <alegen> rikkib: i`m on linux... ubuntu
[20:28] <alegen> raspi-config on the rasp pi or on my machine?
[20:28] <rikkib> Raspbian runs raspi-config on first boot
[20:28] <rikkib> If you are running another distro you may need to manually resize
[20:29] <alegen> thing is that i don`t have an extra monitor so I was hoping i could ssh into it from the start :/
[20:29] <rikkib> Otherwise your sd card will show 2gb
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[20:30] <rikkib> SSH is enabled by default but requires dhcp to be available
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[20:30] <rikkib> and of course the ability to figure out what the ip address is
[20:30] <rikkib> nmap
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[20:30] <alegen> hmm, well my router has dhcp enabled but somehow neither the dhcp client list nore nmap sees any pi
[20:31] <alegen> maybe there`s smth wrong with the cable, will try another one
[20:31] <melow01> I'm trying to get wordpress up and running on my Pi and I'm getting "Error establishing a database connection"
[20:31] <melow01> define('DB_HOST', 'localhost');
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[20:31] <rikkib> IP Masq gateway in beteew you router and the RPi by any chance
[20:31] <rymate1234> melow01, have you installed mysql?
[20:31] <rymate1234> melow01, is mysql running?
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[20:32] <melow01> rymate1234, Yes, I installed LAMP
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[20:32] <melow01> rymate1234, how can I check if mysql is running?
[20:32] <rymate1234> uh
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[20:32] <rymate1234> sudo service mysqld status
[20:32] <sapper1> Hi guys, just got my Pi today, followed the config instructions but cant get HDMI signal when powering it on ... any thougts ?
[20:32] <melow01> rymate1234, sorry... never messed with before
[20:33] <rymate1234> sudo service mysqld status
[20:33] <rymate1234> run that in terminal
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[20:33] <melow01> uptime: 27 mins
[20:33] <melow01> rymate1234, looks its running
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[20:34] <melow01> rymate1234, should the database be set to localhost?
[20:34] <rymate1234> yus
[20:34] <melow01> rymate1234, even if I'm accessing it over the www?
[20:35] <rikkib> ip address
[20:36] <sapper1> +-
[20:36] <rymate1234> should be fine
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[20:37] <melow01> rymate1234, service mysql status (I didn't use 'mysqld')
[20:37] <sapper1> Hi guys, just got my Pi today, followed the config instructions but cant get HDMI signal when powering it on ... any thougts ?
[20:37] <sapper1> i just tried composite cable, got no video as well
[20:37] <sapper1> power led is solid
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[20:37] <pksato> sapper1: put some SD with OS on sd slot?
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[20:38] <sapper1> yup
[20:38] <sapper1> rasberian
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[20:38] <pksato> and, a good power suppy?
[20:38] <sapper1> supposed to be 5.1v with 850mAmp
[20:39] <rikkib> sapper1, Check /boot/config.txt There a config items to adjust hdmi things... Drive levels and other stuff
[20:39] <mjr> yeah, you can try forcing hdmi output, increasing the drive level and that sort of thing
[20:39] <steve_rox> force hdmi out command? i dunno
[20:39] <sapper1> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=77547#p77547
[20:39] <sapper1> i was reading this
[20:39] <pksato> ack led blink when powered?
[20:40] <sapper1> no
[20:40] <sapper1> only pwr led
[20:40] <steve_rox> bad image on sd?
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[20:40] <sapper1> btw i dont see ack led
[20:40] <sapper1> i see only act
[20:40] <mjr> yeah, if there's problems with the firmware on the SD card that'd also keep the screen blank
[20:40] <pksato> bad imagem blink act at last, one time.
[20:41] <pksato> act or ack
[20:41] <sapper1> so if the image is bad it will blink ?
[20:41] <steve_rox> ensure sd card is seated in slot correctly?
[20:41] <sapper1> or wont blink
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[20:41] <pksato> one blink is expected. but, its is very fast.
[20:42] <sapper1> ohhh snap
[20:42] <sapper1> sd was not aligned
[20:42] <pksato> or, test with out sd card.
[20:42] <steve_rox> yay i win
[20:42] <sapper1> not it is booting
[20:42] <sapper1> nice
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[20:42] <steve_rox> did i win?
[20:42] <sapper1> now*
[20:42] <sapper1> :)
[20:42] <mjr> goodie
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[20:43] <sapper1> thanks guys !
[20:43] <steve_rox> havein sd card sticking out is kinda annoying since if you accedently bump it you may knock it out and courrupt it
[20:43] <sapper1> i have a plastic case
[20:43] <steve_rox> have fun
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[20:43] <mjr> yeah it's a bit inconvenient that you can't get a proper error report on that condition since reporting it on screen is impossible...
[20:43] <sapper1> so i cant really see it its sitting correctly insiide
[20:43] <sapper1> maybe an led would be good singla
[20:44] <steve_rox> i installed that cmatrix screen saver on mine , its most jolly and barely has cpu usage :-P
[20:44] <steve_rox> wish had a appature science screen saver tho
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[20:46] <IT_Sean> Find and SD card who's innards ton't protrude bast the edge of the pi, and then shave down the casing.
[20:46] <IT_Sean> :p
[20:47] <mjr> I bet you could build a microsd adapter that'd fit snugly
[20:48] <TAFB> IT_Sean: or you can use the microSD half height adapter from adafruit :)
[20:48] <steve_rox> why doesent someone just make a case thats slightly bigger so it holds the sd safer maybe?
[20:48] <IT_Sean> Or that.
[20:48] <mjr> TAFB, oh, there is one already? Well, not a bit surprise :)
[20:48] <TAFB> https://www.adafruit.com/products/966
[20:48] <steve_rox> i dont have many micro sd's anyways
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[20:49] <mjr> big surprise
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[20:49] * IT_Sean has one microsd. In his phone.
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[20:50] <IT_Sean> It's a 1 gig
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[20:51] <mjr> I have an 8 gig microsd card inside its USB reader, lost in a coworker's office, where I once dropped it on the floor and we just couldn't find it anymore
[20:51] <steve_rox> could use a 1gb one , my older phone wont detect anything higher
[20:51] <IT_Sean> lol
[20:51] <mjr> things are bloody tiny these days ;]
[20:51] <IT_Sean> indeed
[20:51] <steve_rox> very delicate too
[20:51] <rikkib> 56mb is enough to run a RPi with nfs root
[20:51] <IT_Sean> I hope there wasn't anything important on it
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[20:51] <mjr> no, luckily no data was lost
[20:51] <steve_rox> was kinda scared id break it they look that fragile :-P
[20:51] <rikkib> Of course requires a nfs server
[20:52] <vorsaykal> TinyCore's Raspberry Pi distro is ~40MBs.
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[20:54] <Hodapp> for a minimal distro - no X, even - you can get by with very little
[20:54] <Hodapp> of course, at some point you want something more than just busybox
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[20:55] <melow01> at the mysql> prompt, how do I recover from going to '->' ?
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[20:56] <rikkib> quit maybe
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[20:56] <Vegar> ctrl+d usually works
[20:56] <rikkib> or ctrl c
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[20:57] <melow01> I was doing that before but then I have to re-login to mysql
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[20:57] <melow01> I just figured it out... I need to add a semicolon to my next statement
[20:57] <steve_rox> is there a fast way to find out how much disk space remains ?
[20:58] <shiftplusone> df -h
[20:58] <melow01> apparently, '->' is for multiline statements
[20:58] <steve_rox> prefibly in mb
[20:58] <rikkib> "
[20:58] <rikkib> to close the statement
[20:58] <rikkib> maybe ;
[20:59] <steve_rox> thanks
[20:59] <rikkib> Been to long
[20:59] <melow01> rikkib, yes, thanks
[20:59] <rikkib> np
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[21:10] <streetmapp> so i'm sure i'll have to sacrifice something, but what's the best DB that is the least resource intensive for the pi?
[21:11] <DDave> sqlite?
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[21:13] <streetmapp> any major limitations behind it? or is it good for most things?
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[21:15] <DDave> not sure..google a bit :
[21:15] <DDave> :)
[21:16] <streetmapp> fair enough :)
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[21:21] <FrostofSparta> Anyone see the deal of the day at woot.com today? How long would one of those batteries power the pi?
[21:23] <steve_rox> what batt
[21:24] <FrostofSparta> whoops sorry! tech.woot.com
[21:25] <steve_rox> i see :-P
[21:25] <TAFB> i prefer to build my own battery to USB power packs, but this price is high.
[21:26] <steve_rox> not sure how long the runtime will be , depends on cpu load etc i guess
[21:26] <TAFB> I use this battery box: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-USB-5V-2A-Mobile-Power-Supply-18650-Battery-Charger-box-iphone-4s-5-/170922278103?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item27cbc2fcd7
[21:26] <TAFB> with this set of batteries: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/4Pcs-Panasonic18650-NCR18650B-3-6V-3400mAh-Rechargeable-Battery-Free-Ship-JAPAN-/170971611732?pt=US_Rechargeable_Batteries&hash=item27ceb3c254
[21:26] <TAFB> and it's an absolute monster :)
[21:26] <pksato> 11Ah or 55Wh @ 5V, and RPi need 5W, 11hours.
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[21:27] <steve_rox> what do you do with a pi once its portable?
[21:27] <booyaa> steve_rox: take to the skies
[21:27] <s5fs> steve_rox: attached an led, write a script to blink it, attach a big magnet and throw it up high somewhere
[21:27] <TAFB> I have a Pi in a tree :)
[21:27] <TAFB> runs on two of those battery boxes and a 4 panel solar array
[21:27] <steve_rox> :-P
[21:28] <booyaa> heck ou could make a throwie for less
[21:28] <IT_Sean> Attach it to a ballooooon and send it to spaaaaace of course!
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[21:28] <steve_rox> what about one them legaly questionable fm transmitters? using that code
[21:28] <s5fs> booyaa: yeah, but it won't run linux ;-)
[21:28] <steve_rox> if your constantly moveing im sure it will be harder to track ya ;-)
[21:28] <piney> that's a throwie i would try to retrieve
[21:29] <s5fs> piney: okay, so it's an electromagnet controllable via a webpage. log in, reverse the power, pi drops from the sky. win?
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[21:30] <steve_rox> i see they listed that battery as 11,000mAh , cant they just calculate it to AH and not be so annoying
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[21:30] <booyaa> we need to make an open source underwater rover
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[21:30] <IT_Sean> How are you going to control it?
[21:30] <steve_rox> maybe its just clever marketing to blind end user
[21:31] <s5fs> booyaa: i'm totally down
[21:32] <booyaa> s5fs: 5 points to ravenclaw
[21:32] * s5fs fistpumps
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[21:34] <steve_rox> hmm i feel im going to pass out
[21:35] <s5fs> steve_rox: thats usually not good, or is exceptionally good. which is it for you?
[21:35] <steve_rox> im sleepy
[21:36] <steve_rox> probly shouldtake hands off keboard before i mash the keys randomly
[21:36] <booyaa> Im pretty certain I saw a mind storm / arduino on hackaday
[21:36] <booyaa> rover
[21:36] <rikkib> Passing out may be a sign on imminent death.
[21:37] <rikkib> of
[21:37] <steve_rox> sounds fun haha
[21:37] * IT_Sean flicks a peanut at rikkib
[21:37] <IT_Sean> Stop scaring him. :p
[21:37] <steve_rox> meh :-P
[21:37] <iamtheric> anyone ever get tremulous working on the pi?
[21:37] <steve_rox> convert the pi to a death alert probe
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[21:38] <steve_rox> "warning your dead"
[21:38] <rikkib> Perhaps relief for some to others maybe a bit of a surprise.
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[21:38] <s5fs> rikkib: well, last i heard, the mortality rate for humans was still 100%
[21:38] <steve_rox> the pi could do cpr then or something
[21:38] <booyaa> iamtheric: what's that then? wm? media player?
[21:39] <iamtheric> booyaa: a quake 3 derivative
[21:39] <rikkib> Dad died in his sleep... Think I would like that rather than anything else
[21:40] <steve_rox> how jolly
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[21:49] <Torikun> TAFB: now rusher81572.com is powered by two Pi's. Mysql on one pi, webserver on the second lol
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[21:55] <Torikun> ign /clear
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[21:57] <wachpwnski> can you build a mini computing cluster with pis?
[21:57] <wachpwnski> lol
[21:58] <Torikun> yup lol
[21:59] <vorsaykal> wachpwnski: Google 'Raspberry Pi Supercomputer'. 64 Pis (+ Lego).
[21:59] <Torikun> dam
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[22:02] <wachpwnski> hahaha
[22:02] <wachpwnski> How many flops does that beast get?
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[22:03] <Torikun> lol
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[22:04] <Hoerie> 1675 GFlops according to: http://www.kurzweilai.net/southampton-engineers-build-a-raspberry-pi-supercomputer
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[22:27] <rikkib> Gotta laugh at engineering students using lego
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[23:03] <Spiffy> Hello
[23:03] * rikkib has issues with nfs-root. Can to resolve dns. May have to try again to create the root file system on the nfs server.
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[23:03] <rikkib> Hello
[23:03] <Spiffy> Question - is it possible to take the screen from a laptop, and attach to the rpi board without having to do too much soldering?
[23:03] <shapr> I don't think so.
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[23:04] <shapr> Laptop screens are difficult to reuse because they use low-voltage differential signaling.
[23:04] <Spiffy> Makes sense
[23:04] <rikkib> LCD with dvi-d in
[23:04] <swart> I'm thinking about recycling the display from an old samsung monitor
[23:05] <Spiffy> Is it possible to get a 9 to 12" screen for the rpi, rougly the depth of a laptop screen?
[23:05] <swart> Spiffy: yes, but they're expensive
[23:05] <shapr> Spiffy: I think adafruit sells some that are smaller than that... 7" 5" ?
[23:05] <Spiffy> Damn ...
[23:05] <swart> you can get a 19" hdmi monitor for $90 on amazon
[23:05] <Spiffy> Hmm, that might work
[23:06] <Spiffy> I want to make a tiny rpi laptop, so it has to be small. I wanted to use the screen from and asus eee 901
[23:07] <swart> I was looking at some 7" hdmi monitors on amazon but the one I liked was about $200
[23:07] <swart> the market seems to be for photographers looking for external monitors for dlsrs
[23:07] <swart> so I decided big and cheap would be better :)
[23:08] <swart> I'm thinking of mounting it into a table top
[23:08] <swart> power is less of an issue that way too
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[23:08] <Spiffy> Something roughly 12-13" would be awesome.
[23:09] <shapr> If you're looking for a tiny display and you don't need realtime output, you can hack a digital photo frame to work with lcd4linux over usb
[23:09] <shapr> That's about $10-$20 for a 1.5" screen that gives you status info.
[23:10] <swart> that's a nice idea
[23:10] <dumbsdirt> dailysteals.com has new Motorola Droid LapDocs on sell for 5 more hours for $49 with hdmi and usb connectors - 11.6 in display
[23:10] <Spiffy> By realtime output, what do you mean?
[23:12] <swart> I think the photo frames refresh time is slow
[23:12] <mjr> Spiffy, updating that kind of screens is generally slow and it's thus considered less suitable for your usual console display purposes
[23:12] <Spiffy> dumbsdirt, how will that connect?
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[23:12] <swart> scrolling text would suck for example
[23:12] <Spiffy> mjr, ooh, okay.
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[23:12] <shapr> Spiffy: the 1.5" screens are something like four frames per second.
[23:12] <Hodapp> dumbsdirt: oooh...
[23:13] <shapr> Updating every quarter second is great for $15, but not much fun if you're using that to see what you just typed.
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[23:14] <Hodapp> dumbsdirt: that could be handy, but it may just sit around, dunno...
[23:14] <TAFB> alright, shirts all designed and ready to be printed :) http://ecuflashking.com/r1/as_i%20lay_rubber_tshirt_white_shirt_black_text_with_blue_yama_logo.png
[23:14] <TAFB> also available in black :)
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[23:15] <Primer> I'd be more worried about saving my sweet skin
[23:15] <TAFB> ;)
[23:16] <ParkerR_> Hey
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[23:18] <xrosnight> hey is there anyones who knows web.py framework??
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[23:18] <pizthewiz> dumbSdirt: i thought only the atrix 4g version had the correct ports?
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[23:25] <dumbsdirt> Might be the Droid Bionic lapdock has wrong connectors. The atrix 4g is the one on the adafruit youtube video it has micro hdmi and usb
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[23:28] <jonconley> Has anyone seen a raspberry pi case w/ a built audio/video display or an ability to mount a display to it?
[23:28] <jonconley> So far, the Lapdock is about the closest thing I have seen.
[23:28] <TAFB> you can mount a Pi to the back of a computer monitor (vesa style) ;)
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[23:30] <jonconley> That is tempting. I could just search for a small HDMI monitor w/ built-in speakers, I think.
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[23:33] <johnc_> the foundation should totally sell shirts that read "I love my ??"
[23:34] <johnc_> (it's weird to me it's not called Raspberry??)
[23:34] <Hodapp> jonconley: ...where are you from? Last name is familiar.
[23:35] <jonconley> Iowa. Hick country and such
[23:35] <johnc_> <-- Iowa also :)
[23:35] <Hodapp> nope, I don't know you.
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[23:35] <jonconley> johnc_: Quality country
[23:35] <johnc_> meh
[23:36] <johnc_> it's alright
[23:36] <jonconley> johnc_: Help with my delusion please :) I miss Colorado
[23:36] <johnc_> it's warmer here ? :P
[23:36] <johnc_> you're safe from Mecha Streisand
[23:37] <johnc_> west des moines isn't too bad I guess :P
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[23:37] <jonconley> lol
[23:38] <jonconley> I used to live in downtown DSM, now Sewer City
[23:38] <johnc_> I live in Ames currently, moving in summer though
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[23:40] <mgottschlag> <3 gnu assembler
[23:40] <jonconley> moving where? Ames is a fun town, not sure about living there though.
[23:40] <mgottschlag> start.s:56: Warning: (null)
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[23:40] <Torikun> yo
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[23:41] <johnc_> jonconley: Newton I think, we can get a house for a decent price there and it's a bit quieter than Ames is
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[23:41] <Torikun> yo
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[23:53] <jonconley> johnc_: Had a friend who lived there and commuted to DSM and he loved it there. Same as you, enjoyed the peacefulness compared to the city but close enough to have things to do, work and play
[23:54] <johnc_> I've said too much!
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