#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-11

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[0:18] <double-you> is the signal strength of the tiny wifi adapter the same as the normal size ones?
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[0:23] * rikkib is leaking. An hour in the garden in 29 deg C
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[0:32] <swart> it's going to be 29 F here
[0:32] <swart> I'd take 29 C instead
[0:35] <Primer> johnc_: I have this stream dialed in really nicely now. I added keyframes, a proper mime type (which causes firefox to use the vlc plugin in the browser), as well as adding a mic (which currently is only barely picking up sounds in the garage)
[0:35] <Primer> the addition of keyframes causes it to come up almost immediately
[0:36] * johnc_ pumps his fist in the air
[0:37] <johnc_> thought it was keyframes
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[0:41] <Primer> johnc_: just had to find the correct syntax
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[0:42] <Primer> setup bg output #transcode{width=960,height=480,sfilter=mosaic,vcodec=h264,venc=x264{keyint=30,profile=baseline},vb=2000}:bridge-in:std{access=http{mime=video/mp4},mux=ts{use-key-frames},dst=/}
[0:42] <Primer> in case you were curious
[0:42] <Primer> I've since added a few other tweaks too
[0:43] <johnc_> your mime type is slightly off
[0:43] <Primer> it works though
[0:43] * johnc_ nods
[0:43] <johnc_> any video mime type would cause Fx to use vlc
[0:43] <Primer> without it firefox prompts to download a binary octet-stream
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[0:44] <Primer> I just need to get a really sensitive mic now
[0:44] <Primer> and a long cable for it
[0:45] <Primer> and perhaps a 6th camera to fill in the gap in the video
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[0:50] <rikkib> Ahhh I see why my nfs system is not able to resolve... kernel command line overrides all else such as /network/interfaces. I only entered the ip address on the command line. It needs lots more info such as gw.
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[0:52] <Primer> Does anyone know if it's normal for an HDMI cable plugged into the back of a TV to emit a noticeable current? When I touch the other end of the cable, I can feel a definite current coming from it
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[0:53] <john_f> the hdmi shield should be grounded, maybe your outlets are not grounded.
[0:54] <Primer> it's an old house...I know for a fact they're not grounded :(
[0:54] <johnc_> is there a configuration option somewhere to stop the screen going blank when the pi is idle?
[0:54] <dr_willis> depends on the OS you are using. :) and where in the os
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[0:54] <dr_willis> console has a option for that.. as would X normally
[0:55] <Primer> xset dpsm off
[0:55] <Primer> or some such, if using X
[0:55] <Primer> dpms, that is
[0:55] <dr_willis> yea some similer setting for the console.
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[0:58] <john_f> dr_willis: setterm
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[0:59] <johnc_> alright, I'll try :)
[0:59] <johnc_> thanks
[1:01] <john_f> Primer: if a mulitmeter shows it not to be mains voltage connect a ground from the tv to a radiator/water pipe and see if it goes away
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[1:02] <Primer> john_f: much easier said than done. No radiators here (California) and all the water pipes run under the house
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[1:03] <Primer> How heavy of a gage of wire do you think would be needed?
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[1:04] <Primer> I wonder if something like speaker cable would suffice
[1:04] <rikkib> cat /boot/cmdline.txt
[1:04] <rikkib> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=tty1 root=/dev/nfs nfsroot= ip= rootfstype=nfs elevator=deadline rootwait
[1:05] <rikkib> cross your fingers folks
[1:05] <ParkerR_> "dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0" what does that do?
[1:05] <Primer> ohh nfs root
[1:05] <Primer> cool
[1:05] <rikkib> Not a clue... It is in the default config for that kernel in Raspbian
[1:06] <rikkib> I am doing nfs root
[1:06] <Primer> Can NFS root be done without an SD?
[1:06] <Primer> I still haven't bought an SD for my pi
[1:06] <rikkib> worked with just the ip bit but no gateway or dns
[1:07] <rikkib> maybe it will work now.
[1:07] <Primer> Well, that should come from DHCP anyhow
[1:07] <johnc_> Primer: you MUST have an SD card in it
[1:07] <rikkib> Why do people think dhcp is the answer to all
[1:07] <johnc_> because magic
[1:07] <rikkib> Anyhow I use static
[1:07] <Primer> rikkib: probably because "normal" nfs root requires no block device to be present in the machine?
[1:08] <Primer> as in, everything comes from the network
[1:08] <john_f> Primer: speaker cable or lamp cord is fine, just keep it away from the other pins, maybe your power strip has a screw you can use.
[1:08] <Primer> such as that boot command line
[1:08] <rikkib> RPi is different
[1:08] <Primer> rikkib: apparently
[1:09] <john_f> I was able to upgrade the outlets to 3 prong, as the box they were in was grounded.
[1:09] <Primer> as booting from the network device still requires some sort of rom
[1:09] <Primer> john_f: The house has a lot of 3 prong outlets, but none are grounded
[1:10] <Primer> The UPS my computer is connected to complains about that
[1:10] <rikkib> I am familiar with all that... I have been doing this, computing, since it existed.
[1:11] <johnc_> Primer: sounds nice and safe
[1:11] <Primer> yeah, I know...
[1:12] <rikkib> I run a high power radio station in this workshop. The earth is three feet away from the radio.
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[1:18] <rikkib> My bad command line... No access to my RPi via ssh
[1:18] <rikkib> Try again
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[1:19] <deathpanda> herblederp
[1:20] * rikkib pulls the sd card out while the machine is running :)
[1:21] <deathpanda> hw du i instal itunes on dis fing
[1:21] <rikkib> No route to host so reboot is gonna take a POR
[1:23] <deathpanda> on the off chance... has anyone here got one of those bluetooth mini keyboard/mouse from amazon
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[1:27] <ParkerR_> deathpanda: I heard the y work but aren't that ergonomic
[1:27] <ParkerR_> *they work
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[1:28] <deathpanda> I got one, it feels alright and I've tested it on a bluetooth enabled laptop
[1:28] <deathpanda> i can indentify it with lsusb
[1:28] <deathpanda> just no clue how to get it running
[1:30] <deathpanda> got the blueman bluetooth manager package from the repo, i can run it but it doesn't identify the adapter
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[1:33] <s5fs> deathpanda: does hcitool work for you?
[1:34] <s5fs> deathpanda: i haven't used a keyboard or mouse w/bluetooth but i've been using a bt dongle for serial comm
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[1:37] <deathpanda> sorry s5fs, kicked the power off
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[1:38] <deathpanda> i'll try that
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[1:44] <s5fs> deathpanda: hcitool scan will ask the dongle to look around and see if anyone is worth pairing with, nice and easy way to check if things are functioning.
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[1:44] <s5fs> deathpanda: beyond that, in order to pair, you can use something like bluetooth-agent. i haven't tried blueman yet, i'm still doing proof-of-concept work and just scripting this mess together.
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[1:46] <deathpanda> hcitool isn't recognising a device
[1:46] <ParkerR_> Wasn't for me either
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[1:49] <s5fs> deathpanda: i'm away from my pi, but my notes say to run /etc/init.d/bluetooth start, then try hcitool
[1:49] <s5fs> /etc/init.d/bluetooth status will confirm the service state
[1:49] <dr_willis> i never did get my bt keybords paired
[1:50] <dr_willis> need to try it again this weekend
[1:50] <deathpanda> s5fs, it says bluetooth is running
[1:51] <s5fs> deathpanda: sorry friend, that's as far as my troubleshooting has taken me.
[1:51] <deathpanda> no worries
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[1:51] <dr_willis> i think the arch wiki pages had some bt trouble shooting informaton
[1:51] <s5fs> i don't trust wireless keyboards anyways, i don't want my keystrokes flying around at random ;-)
[1:51] <dr_willis> but parts were arch specific :)
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[1:52] <rikkib> ah ha... nfs root cmdline.txt dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=tty1 root=/dev/nfs nfsroot= ip= gw-ip= netmask= hostname=alarmpi device=/dev/eth0 autoconf=off rootfstype=nfs elevator=deadline rootwait
[1:52] <dr_willis> my keystrokes are often very ransom anyway with the way i type
[1:52] <rikkib> time is correct on camera so ntp works
[1:53] <dr_willis> switching from one pc/keyboard to another every 20 min, then to a phone and differntr keyboards.. can really goof you up
[1:53] <s5fs> dr_willis: yeah, i had to drop ergo keyboards bc i use a laptop so much.
[1:53] <rikkib> I use one keyboard with 8 port kvm
[1:53] <s5fs> i'm on hiatus from the pi until my serial cable arrrives
[1:53] <dr_willis> i found ergo keybords very unergo
[1:54] <dr_willis> but i type weirdly due to breaking a hand when in was young. ;)
[1:54] <s5fs> dr_willis: most feel that way, i agree. somehow i got hooked on the smaller microsoft natural keyboard, but that was some years ago
[1:54] <dr_willis> i cant move some fingers sideways
[1:54] <rikkib> I have had the same keyboard for many years... an old at style with ps/2 adaptor.
[1:54] <dr_willis> I have box;s of old keybords. :) even some of the old clicky clacky IBM Model M's
[1:55] <rikkib> This keyboard I can pull apart and clean.
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[1:55] <dr_willis> and some with hardware based macro keys.
[1:55] <s5fs> these days ijust use whatever is around, i don't care
[1:55] <dr_willis> Logitech has a new one you can wash in the sink. ;)
[1:55] <s5fs> well, i am picky and have preferences, but usually i don't get my way.
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[1:55] <rikkib> rubber membrane with carbon contacts
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[2:01] <dr_willis> had to get the wife this OLD Persons keyboard with HUGE letters on the keys. ;)
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[2:01] <dr_willis> then she saw mine that had backlights and wanted lights and big letters.. ;P
[2:02] <dr_willis> Backlight keyboards and the pi - dont seem to work very well. my G15 pulls to much powar
[2:02] <ParkerR_> Umm
[2:02] <ParkerR_> That's why you go wireless :P
[2:02] <dr_willis> I cant find my wireless keyboards since we moved.
[2:02] <dr_willis> I know they are all in a box.. somewhere.
[2:02] <ParkerR_> Aww
[2:03] <dr_willis> :)
[2:03] <dr_willis> the logitech universial dongles are neat in how one dongle can work for a keyboard and mouse. or several keybaords.mouse.. but i always have to pair them up under windows. or reset them in windows.
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[2:04] <dr_willis> I found the dongles.. but not the keybords.
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[2:04] <ParkerR_> Hmm
[2:04] <ParkerR_> Haven't seen those
[2:04] <ParkerR_> Saw one HP thing that advertised multiple devices
[2:04] <ParkerR_> Like up to 5
[2:05] <dr_willis> logitech calles it somthing . basically one little dongle can do like 5 devices. but if i pair dongle #1 with keyboard #1. then want to move keyboard 1 to work with dongle 2. i have to use windows to get them paired.
[2:05] <ParkerR_> Weird
[2:05] <dr_willis> so i had to paint colors on each dongle/keyboard to keep them organized.
[2:05] <dr_willis> which all wore off. ;)
[2:05] <s5fs> so whats up with all the keyboards, is ssh not usable or are you all running a gui of some sort?
[2:06] <dr_willis> on differnt pcs
[2:06] <ParkerR_> I have one wireless keyboard left with a receiver
[2:06] <ParkerR_> About 4 without
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[2:06] <dr_willis> plus my boxee box. and even my TV can take a usb keyboard.
[2:06] <dr_willis> and the Wii
[2:06] <ParkerR_> I lost all respect for Boxee
[2:07] <dr_willis> yep. Not buying any more boxee stuff
[2:07] <ParkerR_> Them pretty much ditching PC then ditching their first gen boxes
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[2:08] <dr_willis> one way to generate a LOT and LOT of bad PR/Posts/messages on their sites
[2:08] <dr_willis> and they never fixed issues with the boxeebox from years back..
[2:09] <ParkerR_> Yeah they ditched the first gen
[2:09] <s5fs> check out trakt.tv if you guys are into xbmc
[2:09] <s5fs> not sure what else it supports
[2:09] <dr_willis> i got an XIOS play thing for $100 that does everything basically the boxeebox did. without the silly addons boxee wanted to push on me.
[2:09] <ParkerR_> dr_willis: My $100 purchase was an aTV 2
[2:09] <dr_willis> they seemed to have ditched the first gen years ago
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[2:12] <dr_willis> #1 thing i used boxeebox for was watching CrunchyRoll. for some reason it had no ads on the boxeebox. ;) unlike the tv/tablet/pc version. Now the the Crunchyroll channel dosent work on boxeebox at all. with no info about it at the sites. so i guess its dead.
[2:12] <ParkerR_> Never got into anime myself
[2:12] <dr_willis> its about all i have time to watch
[2:14] <dr_willis> That XIOS box i got is neat.. but a little flakey. I mainly want it for Crunchyroll. so i have to use the andrid os on it. instead of the linux xbmc os on it.
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[2:14] <dr_willis> It can do android, xbmc, crunchyroll, and netflix all for $100. but its still getting the bugs worked out of it.
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[2:22] <rikkib> For some reason with nfs root a default route for the gateway does not get added into the routing tables. This will require a workaround yet to be determined... adding it manually gets the net going.
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[2:26] <rikkib> Is the raspbian mirror director down
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[2:28] <_nimbu_> rikkib: its up for me
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[2:29] <_nimbu_> Has anyone got the oracle java jdk working on the plain raspberry wheezy version?
[2:30] <ParkerR_> _nimbu_: Works for me
[2:30] <_nimbu_> ParkerR_: Im on the wheezy version with hard float
[2:31] <ParkerR_> I just sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre
[2:31] <ParkerR_> And openjdk-7-jdk
[2:31] <_nimbu_> that would work
[2:31] <_nimbu_> I was hoping to get the oracle version working though
[2:32] <ParkerR_> Oh
[2:32] <ParkerR_> I think I saw some instructions on getting it setup
[2:33] <_nimbu_> yeah people say you need to install the wheezy 'soft-flat' version for it to work
[2:33] <_nimbu_> but I'm too lazy to reinstall :P
[2:33] <_nimbu_> might just use openjdk for now
[2:34] <teepee> i think the jdk8 beta works also on the hard-float distribution
[2:34] <_nimbu_> hmm
[2:35] <teepee> i tried that "java-fx" preview: http://jdk8.java.net/fxarmpreview/javafx-arm-developer-preview.html
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[2:36] <teepee> might be only a jre, not a full jdk
[2:36] <teepee> it did start netbeans :)
[2:36] <teepee> very slowly :D
[2:37] <_nimbu_> netbeans on the pi!?
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[2:38] <teepee> yep
[2:39] <teepee> didn't think it will start, but it did
[2:39] <_nimbu_> I wonder what eclipse would be like :P
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[2:40] <teepee> i'd guess both are too fat to do real stuff
[2:42] <_nimbu_> I'm trying to learn vim for stuff like java programming
[2:43] <_nimbu_> the only thing thats slow is the learning process :P
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[2:47] <dr_willis> heh. beenusing vi for years. err.. ok.. decades. ? ;) every tiem i reread the vi/vim/ books i rediscover somthing new...
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[2:49] <abactor> hey, there. i just did rpi-update yesterday and i see that i accidentally upgraded to the 3.6.11 kernel. can anyone tell me how to downgrade back to 3.2.27+?
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[2:50] <rikkib> Is that a good indictment of the useability of vi...
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[2:52] <ParkerR_> abactor: What's wrong with 3.6.*?
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[2:52] <rikkib> abactor, Not done to my knowledge... Reload the image and start again maybe your only solution.
[2:52] <pfdotn> abactor: You should have a /boot.bak or /boot.old directory (I'm going from memory) -- you can copy the contents over /boot (make a backup first) and you can restore.
[2:53] <pfdotn> abactor: Just reboot the pi after that, and you're done.
[2:53] <abactor> ok, thanks
[2:53] <abactor> i'm trying to compile the kernel module for the dlink dwa-160 and i'm getting an error on insmod
[2:54] <rikkib> You may run into firmware issues going back... rpi-update sorts that out to from memory
[2:54] <pfdotn> rikkib: If that was the case, you could never load a base image on the rpi after an update.
[2:55] <abactor> is there a way to do rpi-update <hash>?
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[2:55] <abactor> or perhaps the better solution is to try to fix the kernel module...not sure how to do that exactly
[2:55] <rikkib> ask hexxeh
[2:56] <Hexxeh> yes, you can do rpi-update githash
[2:57] <abactor> Hexxeh: how do i find the githash of a 3.2.27+ build?
[2:57] <Hexxeh> look through commit history here: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware
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[2:59] <abactor> thanks, i'll take a look!
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[3:05] <abactor> before i revert to the previous kernel, would there be any reason to believe i would get the same error after building the module? The error is pi@raspberrypi ~/rtdr/drivers/os/linux $ sudo insmod rt5572sta.ko
[3:05] <abactor> Error: could not insert module rt5572sta.ko: Invalid parameters
[3:06] <abactor> dmesg gives : [192201.537846] rt5572sta: disagrees about version of symbol wake_up_process
[3:06] <abactor> [192201.537885] rt5572sta: Unknown symbol wake_up_process (err -22)
[3:08] <rikkib> Module version and kernel version must agree unless you compile with that sort of check... This does not guarantee the module will work.
[3:08] <rikkib> check off
[3:08] <Hexxeh> is that a kernel module you're bringing yourself?
[3:08] <Hexxeh> just because the version matches, doesn't mean it'll just work
[3:09] <Hexxeh> it might be the same version, but it might have been patched, and you strictly speaking should have it compiled with the same compiler/version too
[3:09] <abactor> i'm compiling the module myself, yes
[3:10] <Hexxeh> it's not going to work
[3:10] <Hexxeh> you'll need to compile the kernel yourself, too
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[3:11] <abactor> so even with the kernel headers/sources and Module.symvers, i still need to compile the whole kernel myself?
[3:11] <Hexxeh> you could probably screw around and if you used the same compiler, get it working, but honestly, it's not going to be worth it
[3:12] <Hexxeh> i believe the kernel is cross-compiled, so you'd have to use the cross compiling toolchain published on the github account to make it work that way...
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[3:12] <abactor> oh. so there's no good way to compile a kernel module myself?
[3:13] <Hexxeh> without compiling the rest of the kernel to, to my knowlege? no.
[3:14] <rikkib> no... crosstool-ng and learn how to do it
[3:14] <abactor> ok, so this has nothing to do with whatever kernel version i'm running.
[3:14] <piney> abactor, have a look here for a start: they discuss cross compiling, and compiling the kernel on the pi
[3:15] <piney> http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation lol. forgot the link
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[3:16] * rikkib questions that page...
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[3:17] <abactor> thanks, ok. i'll try to compile the whole kernel then. my only other linux device is an android tablet with a debian chroot...not sure i want to cross compile on that
[3:17] <rikkib> I do it the way I have always done it. The gcc path and make the tools myself... I do it for the stm32v arm8
[3:18] <piney> i haven't done that much kernel compiling
[3:20] <Hexxeh> building on the pi itself isn't /too/ painful
[3:20] <rikkib> Only way to get a working system with mem limitations of old
[3:20] <Hexxeh> if it's only once every so often
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[3:20] <rikkib> lol
[3:21] * rikkib ponders what to next...
[3:22] <piney> im glad to see the 3.6 kernel branch for the pi. somewhere between 3.2 and 3.6 something changed in how spi is timed, and my rfm12b might work now with the pi
[3:22] <rikkib> Need to proxy gpio. client -- gateway -- rpi
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[3:23] <abactor> piney: is spi significantly better now? that's good news.
[3:23] <rikkib> or documentation?
[3:23] <piney> abactor, i don't know yet, i only read about it
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[3:24] <rikkib> ask the author who wrote the spi driver...
[3:24] <rikkib> he lives here somewhere
[3:24] <rikkib> group????
[3:25] <abactor> ahh, i hadn't read about it
[3:25] * rikkib has an interested in spi...
[3:26] * rikkib has stm32v boards
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[3:26] <rikkib> touch lcd 320x240
[3:26] <piney> now the forum on raspberrypi.org isn't responding (where i read it)
[3:27] <piney> there it goes
[3:28] <piney> abactor, rikkib http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=19489 if either of you are interested
[3:28] <rikkib> the mirror director was down... Just runing update now and it is up again
[3:29] <abactor> thanks! i'll have a look.
[3:30] <rikkib> Thanks...
[3:30] <rikkib> I have MC9S08 and HC11 gear here...
[3:31] <sc0tch> Model B indentification question: My board has the mounting holes, noted as a rev 2 board, but /proc/cpuinfo has value: 0002 for Revision, that is noted aon a couple websites to be a Revision 1 board. I'm confused by that.
[3:31] <rikkib> I have looked through the spi driver code for the RPi
[3:32] <rikkib> It does not suite the stm32v for full speed crc transfers as required for higher end longer distance applications.
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[3:51] <shiftplusone> sc0tch, pretty safe to say you have a rev 2. My rev one also says 0002, but I don't know that it means much. You have a 512mb model, yes?
[3:52] <sc0tch> shiftplusone: yes 512meg model.
[3:52] <shiftplusone> then yeah, rev2
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[3:53] <shiftplusone> I think 'revision' is used for something else by the cpu... for example it tells you when you warranty is void and I am sure the '2' means something else as well.
[3:54] <sc0tch> shiftplusone: sure, could be, I was only referring to a couple Pi sites that stated you could tell which revision board you had by that value.
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[4:06] <mikey_w> type "free" in a linux terminal.
[4:06] <mikey_w> Shows memory information.
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[4:19] <mdszy> ergh, that Raspberry pi idea fell flat.
[4:29] <DooMMasteR> how do I get omxplayer to change the resolution to the native video res?
[4:29] <DooMMasteR> -r should do it
[4:29] <DooMMasteR> but it only changes the refreshrate like -y does
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[4:32] <DooMMasteR> actually -y doesn't o.O
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[4:37] <DooMMasteR> :P
[4:38] <DooMMasteR> but -r only changes refresh not actual res
[4:38] <DooMMasteR> narf
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[4:45] <cincinnatus_> Are there any good scriptable window managers out there?
[4:46] <cincinnatus_> I'd like to be able to programmatically say "Hey, move this window over here!"
[4:46] <mythos> nearly every wm is capable to do this
[4:47] <mythos> look into something like wmctrl
[4:47] <shiftplusone> cincinnatus_, http://www.semicomplete.com/projects/xdotool/xdotool.xhtml
[4:47] <mythos> or devilspie
[4:47] <shiftplusone> windowmove [options] [window] x y
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[4:49] <dr_willis> devilspie may do tha talso
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[4:49] <dr_willis> ;)
[4:49] <dr_willis> i recall some otheer tool ages ago in kde.. but it would be overkill i imagine
[4:50] <Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com , My new raspberry PI site =)
[4:51] <cincinnatus_> Anything python-friendly that does that? If there's nothing, I could just use the sh package
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[4:54] <dr_willis> theres window managers out that have major scripting features... if you want to learn them ;)
[4:54] <dr_willis> like sawfish, and awsome, and.. cant thinlk of the others.
[4:55] <dr_willis> I just cant rember what languages they used. dont recall any that used bython
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[6:05] <leftyfb> how much amperage draw can the pi handle on each USB port?
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[6:07] <shiftplusone> leftyfb, it's not hooked up in a way that would allow a simple number as an answer to the question.
[6:07] <shiftplusone> Rev2, right?
[6:07] <leftyfb> it's the modelB 256M
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[6:08] <shiftplusone> there were some rev2 256M
[6:08] <shiftplusone> when did you get it?
[6:08] <shiftplusone> Do you have the polyfuses near the usb?
[6:08] <leftyfb> about 2 or 3 months ago I think
[6:08] <shiftplusone> between theusb ports and the audio jack, what do you see?
[6:08] <shiftplusone> (in that corner of the board)
[6:10] <shiftplusone> On a rev2 750 minus whatever the pi is using) is shared between the two ports. On a rev 1, much less than that, hang on.
[6:11] <leftyfb> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dw8d4a6h6le3m2m/2013-01-11%2000.09.07.jpg
[6:11] <shiftplusone> On a rev1 I think it's 140mA on each port.
[6:11] <shiftplusone> That pic throws me off because I can't tell if those are polyfuses or 0ohm resistors =/
[6:13] <shiftplusone> It has no mounting holes, which indicates a rev1, but again... the marking '0' on what is a polyfuse on a rev1 board throws me off. =/
[6:13] <leftyfb> from google images, polyfuses for a pi are apparently green and say "14" on them
[6:13] <leftyfb> or 1014
[6:14] <leftyfb> yeah, there's no mounting holes
[6:14] <leftyfb> I think it's rev1
[6:14] <shiftplusone> It sounds like you got your board in that period of time where rev2 didn't have mounting holes and were still 256m, but I am not sure.
[6:14] <leftyfb> oh
[6:14] <leftyfb> hm
[6:14] <leftyfb> so .... what i'm trying to do....
[6:14] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/09/raspberry-pi-revision-2-0-photos/
[6:15] <johnc_> shiftplusone: do you ever sleep?
[6:15] <leftyfb> power an arduino duo (been doing that just fine) ... but also power a relay module plugged into the arduino which can draw 70-90mA per relay (there's 2)
[6:15] <shiftplusone> johnc_, no, I think it's wasteful.
[6:15] <johnc_> shiftplusone: you seem pretty knowledgeable on pi, are you connected to the foundation?
[6:16] <shiftplusone> johnc_, not at all, just a mod on the forum and an op in the channel. I don't get much contact with anyone from the foundation though.
[6:16] <shiftplusone> so take everything I say with a pound of salt
[6:16] <johnc_> sleep isn't wasteful, it's a time investment for improved productivity
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[6:17] <shiftplusone> johnc_, nonsense. But yes, I have a lot of spare time on my hands right now.
[6:17] <shiftplusone> for another month or so anyway
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[6:17] <gh403> So on the Arch image, the root filesystem isn't in /etc/fstab. Where can I change the mount options for it?
[6:18] <leftyfb> shiftplusone: do you think this would be able to power an arduino which is powering a 5V relay module that could possibly pull 180mA?
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[6:19] <shiftplusone> leftyfb, what's the output of 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' ?
[6:19] <shiftplusone> 0003?
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[6:19] <leftyfb> let me power it back up and i'll check...
[6:20] <shiftplusone> leftyfb, what's the total current you expect to draw from usb (max) ?
[6:21] <leftyfb> i'm not sure
[6:21] <leftyfb> arduino + 180mA max
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[6:21] <leftyfb> it won'y be that all the time though
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[6:22] <leftyfb> it's going to monitor and control my fishtank ... the relays will be to turn the heater and lights on and off
[6:22] <shiftplusone> leftyfb, any reason you don't want to use a hub?
[6:22] <leftyfb> hm
[6:22] <leftyfb> I have to monitor the arduino via usb
[6:22] <leftyfb> I guess that should work through a hub
[6:25] <shiftplusone> I don't think a rev1 with links instead of polyfuses (which is what I think you have) would be able to deal with the spikes and might reboot your pi sometimes. You might be able to use capacitors to prevent that somewhat, but if you're going to do that, you may as well short out the 750mA polyfuse on the input.
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[6:28] <shiftplusone> Another check you can do. On the underside of the board, right under where the HDMI jack is, do you see D14 and is it any different to D15 and D16
[6:28] <leftyfb> there's no D14
[6:28] <shiftplusone> yay
[6:29] <Milos> am I missing something? http://nz.element14.com/allied-motion-premotec/8204-045-15221-bl30/motor-24dc-cw/dp/1784849
[6:29] <shiftplusone> That's a Rev1 with no USB polyfuses and with d14 removed then.
[6:29] <Milos> how is this $600?
[6:29] <leftyfb> hm .. another question/issue ... my pi doesn't always power on when I plug it in. The power light comes on, but nothing else. I have to unplug it and plug it in a few times before it'll actually boot
[6:30] <shiftplusone> leftyfb, can you look closely at the green led when that happens and see if it is dimly lit at all?
[6:30] <leftyfb> now it's booting :/
[6:31] <leftyfb> gotta wait till it boots fully to shut it down
[6:32] <leftyfb> btw: Revision : 0003
[6:32] <shiftplusone> yeah, http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/09/checking-your-raspberry-pi-board-version/
[6:32] <shiftplusone> "Model B Revision 1.0 + ECN0001 (no fuses, D14 removed)"
[6:33] <shiftplusone> Though someone with a rev2 earlier was saying that his cpu revision says 0002, so go figure
[6:33] <leftyfb> oooo
[6:33] <leftyfb> I have another pi that has the D14
[6:33] <leftyfb> and all 3 are the same
[6:33] <leftyfb> would I be better off using that one for this?
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[6:34] <johnc_> if my pis were more huggable I think I'd be hugging them very often, I get so excited each time I get something new working :D
[6:34] <shiftplusone> the downside of shorting the polyfuses on usb is that instead of USB devices failing is that now the whole pi restarts when usb devices try to draw too much. So it depends.
[6:35] <nutcase> think its possible to setup the pi as a network gateway?
[6:35] <shiftplusone> If I were you I would make sure to use a hub.
[6:35] <shiftplusone> (a powered hub)
[6:35] <leftyfb> I might just do that
[6:35] <nutcase> so everythihng has to auth with it like in a windows environment
[6:35] <leftyfb> got any recommendations?
[6:36] <shiftplusone> leftyfb, people seem to be ok with belkin ones. I have a belkin and a logitech one and both work. Don't get a cheap one with silly amount of ports (I have a 13 port generic one). Those are a bad idea.
[6:37] <rikkib> Be kind to your RPi
[6:37] <leftyfb> I only need 2 or 3 ports really
[6:37] <nutcase> run it headless bby
[6:37] <dr_willis> 13 port hub with a 500W power supply
[6:37] <dr_willis> ;)
[6:38] <dr_willis> im powering my pis from the usb hubs. saves on wall wart space
[6:38] <nutcase> just run an actual desktop that is going to be a billion times more powerful lol
[6:38] <dr_willis> i need to track down some usb cavbles in differnt colors. that way i know what one is my pi power cable
[6:39] <shiftplusone> heh
[6:39] <dr_willis> sucks when you unplug the power to the pi instead of unplugging the mouse you ment to...
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[6:43] <shiftplusone> leftyfb, btw, if you do see the dim green led next time, that means it's failing to read the sd card for some reason. Might be a power supply issue or bad contact with the sd card holder in your case. If it's just the red led and nothing else, then I have no idea, that would be indicate faulty hw to me, but I am not sure.
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[6:49] <dr_willis> seems the sd card holder can be a little flakey at times
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[6:51] <shiftplusone> It does seem as cheap as they come.
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[6:54] <dr_willis> yep.
[6:54] <shiftplusone> btw, are you the same guy as djwillis or not?
[6:54] <dr_willis> I only hang out in here and in #ubuntu
[6:55] <dr_willis> so any other willis is not me. ;) most likely
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[6:55] <shiftplusone> Ah, got it.
[6:56] <shiftplusone> Just looking at openembedded and there is a guy by that name that has a raspberry pi layer for it. Thought I'd steal some knowledge from you, but it turns out you're not the you I thought you might have been.
[6:57] <dr_willis> i dont code. ;)
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[7:07] <aDro> dr_willis: Because you choose not too, or because someone is stopping you?
[7:09] <dr_willis> i dont have a muxh of a need to. ;)
[7:09] <dr_willis> i grew up with C64, vic20, and amigas ;P
[7:09] <dr_willis> I can do some mean rexx in the old days
[7:12] <SuperLag> Vic20++
[7:12] <SuperLag> that was my very first computer
[7:12] <SuperLag> with a tape drivee
[7:12] <SuperLag> drive
[7:13] <SuperLag> ugh, that thing was so slooooooooow
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[7:14] <SuperLag> rikkib: be kind to your rPi, how?
[7:14] <dr_willis> build the pi a case from your old Vic20 Tape Drive
[7:14] <dr_willis> ;)
[7:15] <SuperLag> I'm using my Pi as my learning machine. Having to run console only and use text-based browsing forces you to focus, and eliminates distractions
[7:15] <SuperLag> Linux rpi 3.6.11-3-ARCH+ #1 PREEMPT Thu Jan 10 03:05:04 UTC 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[7:16] <SuperLag> tmux is *awesome*
[7:16] * shiftplusone looks at the 6 open youtube tabs >.>
[7:17] <SuperLag> I wish I could get my display to sleep
[7:17] <SuperLag> I just end up having to turn it off
[7:18] <SuperLag> as an aside... running console-only... I've learned that using a monitor with 1920x1080 resolution in conjunction with tmux allows you to do a LOT on the same window
[7:19] <shiftplusone> SuperLag, you might like this list http://kmandla.wordpress.com/software/ and some articles on that blog
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[7:24] <dr_willis> you got a mouse plugged in and using GPM? ;)
[7:24] <dr_willis> gotta love console based mouseing around
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[7:43] <SuperLag> dr_willis: I have GPM installed... and I started it... but no workey.
[7:43] <SuperLag> copy/paste would be helpful for pasting links
[7:46] <dr_willis> You got a mouse plugged in?
[7:46] <dr_willis> ;)
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[7:49] <Kriss3d> Hi everyone. When i (from a Windows computer) type \\raspbmc\ i end up at my raspberry.. I assume thats the Samba stuff right ?
[7:49] <knoppies> Kriss3d, yes
[7:50] <knoppies> SuperLag, cant you copy paste from tmux?
[7:51] <Kriss3d> knoppies: excelent. Last night i wanted to move an ISO file i made from a dvd to a USB HDD connected to the rasp.. it wa over wifi to my router which is cable connected to the rasp.. but when i try to move a 4 gig file the rasp loses connection just for a second or so. enough to drop the copy
[7:51] <Kriss3d> is that a common problem or could it be my router being an old airport ?
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[7:52] <dr_willis> using ssh with scp. or rsync may be more reliable
[7:53] <Kriss3d> dr_willis: was that to me ?
[7:53] <dr_willis> yep. samba can be flakey at times. but ive not used it much on the pi yet
[7:53] <knoppies> Kriss3d, I dont know, but I had SMB problems from my windows 7 computer to my laptop, and they were both connected via a cable.
[7:53] <dr_willis> at least rsync or scp may be able to resume
[7:54] <knoppies> try rsync as scp has a lot of encryption overhead which can slow things down on the Pi.
[7:54] <Kriss3d> hmm ill look into rsync then i just figured the other way would be really a nice way to do it
[7:55] <knoppies> Kriss3d, you can also look into NFS. I haven't successfully set one up yet, but it should be easy if they are both linux machines (I had issues trying to get an NFS server on a windows7 machine)
[7:55] <dr_willis> i tend to use winscp and ssh - ;)
[7:55] <knoppies> dr_willis, I do too, but its SO SLOW on something like the Pi.
[7:55] <knoppies> dr_willis, I only use it because SMB keeps failing and I couldnt setup NFS on the windows7 machine. :(
[7:55] <dr_willis> my pi has baan copying 2TB from usb #1 to a larger 3TB usb... for some time now. ;)
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[7:56] <Kriss3d> how would i SSH files to my rasp ?
[7:56] <SuperLag> knoppies: oh yeah... but I'm not sure how it works. I know it's there, but I ended up hosing my session, and killing it to recover, when I tried it out
[7:57] <knoppies> Kriss3d, do you want to push files to the pi, or pull them from your other machine?
[7:57] <Kriss3d> well id want to push files to the HDD connected to it
[7:58] <knoppies> SuperLag, I think its CTRL-b (or whatever that key combination is) and then [
[7:58] <knoppies> then to exit the copy mode you hit q.
[7:58] <dr_willis> what OS is on the otehr machine?
[7:58] <knoppies> or is that screen?
[7:58] <knoppies> kripton, dr_willis asked you a question.
[7:58] <knoppies> oops, Kriss3d, dr_willis asked you a question.
[7:59] <dr_willis> unison is a neat little app for windows/linux to sync/copy files also. but im not sure if it can resume.
[7:59] <knoppies> dr_willis, I will have a look.
[7:59] <Kriss3d> oh sry. the os on my computer is usually Windows 7.. i perfer linux but its companys computer...
[7:59] <dr_willis> rsync can resume i belive..
[7:59] <dr_willis> Im not sure of any gui rsync tools for windows. i never used them
[8:00] <Kriss3d> ah ill see what i can find then thanks
[8:00] <knoppies> Kriss3d, if you want to use SSH, then download winscp onto your windows7 computer.
[8:00] <Kriss3d> ok.. i was using putty
[8:01] <knoppies> Kriss3d, I've never tried file transfers with putty, but I assume the functionality is in there.
[8:01] <Kriss3d> btw im having issues with my rasp not wanting to pause or fast forward when using 1channel or icefilm addons.. is that a common problem ? its really anoying not being able to fast forward or at least pause
[8:01] <dr_willis> i use winscp to transfer win>linux over ssh
[8:01] <Kriss3d> ok ill try that thanks dr_willis
[8:04] <dr_willis> there might be a dont-encrypt option or sonmting to make ssh faster
[8:05] <Kriss3d> yeah ill look into it. thank you guys
[8:09] <piney> i doubt there is a 'don't encrypt' option for ssh. it goes against what it was designed for. that's what telnet / ftp are for
[8:10] <knoppies> dr_willis, I wish there was.
[8:10] <mythos> in fact, there was an option for that. but it was removed quite a while ago
[8:11] <knoppies> piney, Ive considered setting up an FTP server just for that. I want something to transfer files across my LAN. I want to be able to push and pull from my linux machine without touching the windows one.
[8:11] <piney> telnet and ftp are perfectly fine in a secure environment (like a home lan)
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[8:11] <knoppies> I really wanted to give NFS a try, but as I said before, it didnt work on windows.
[8:12] <piney> i wish there was something like sshfs for windows, that would make me happy
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[8:12] <Kriss3d> hmm i dont suppose ftp would be reliable ?
[8:12] <piney> winscp is the closest
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[8:13] <piney> ftp is reliable, just don't allow access to critical files and / or access over the wan
[8:13] <knoppies> piney, but winscp is a client not a server. and I feel that all that encryption is a waste of clock cycles.
[8:13] <knoppies> Kriss3d, ftp uses TCP so its reliable.
[8:13] <Amadiro> FTP doesn't use TCP to transfer the actual data
[8:13] <Kriss3d> id have thought samba was using tcp too
[8:13] <Amadiro> normally
[8:14] <knoppies> Kriss3d, I dont know what samba uses, but I wouldnt be surprised if it was tcp.
[8:14] <piney> i understand the clock cycles on the pi, but even then i wonder how much overhead there is. i think the biggest bottleneck would be the usb or sd io speed
[8:14] <knoppies> Amadiro, really? I've seen packet analysis which implies otherwise.
[8:14] <knoppies> piney, for the Pi, Im talking computer to laptop over a gigabit ethernet.
[8:14] <Kriss3d> yeah. well since ftp is already installed in raspbmc ill start there and see if thats good enough
[8:15] <Kriss3d> just really too bad its not working with samba
[8:15] <knoppies> Kriss3d, I didnt know it was, but yes. Try that.
[8:15] <Amadiro> knoppies, I believe you can set FTP into passive mode, in which it might transfer actual data via TCP
[8:15] <Kriss3d> knoppies: in latest builds it is..
[8:15] <Amadiro> but normally it uses checksummed, indexed UDP packets
[8:15] <knoppies> Amadiro, maybe thats what I saw then. I didn't know that.
[8:15] <dr_willis> how does ssh -Y differ then from normal ssh, i thought -Y was faster due to some trusted dont encrypt/emcrypt as much option
[8:16] <knoppies> dr_willis, I thought it was just the handshake that the -Y affected. But Im guessing.
[8:16] <dr_willis> i rarely even yse -Y. ;)
[8:16] <dr_willis> i got TB's of archives and backus on usb2.. i have patience
[8:17] <knoppies> dr_willis, you could just plug those HDDs into your mobo.
[8:17] <knoppies> If I wanted to transfer more than 100gigs quickly thats what I would do.
[8:19] <dr_willis> i dont want to dismantel all the usbs i got. :) i have like 8 of them
[8:19] <dr_willis> organizeing them all and making backups of my videos
[8:19] <dr_willis> and correcting missnamed stuff along the way
[8:19] <knoppies> that must have taken quite a lot of time.
[8:20] <dr_willis> its still taking time. ;)
[8:20] <dr_willis> 3TB to 3TB over usb2 ;)
[8:20] <dr_willis> of course im finding 1TB of redundant copies of stuff
[8:20] <dr_willis> 'redundant stack of external usb hds'
[8:21] <dr_willis> then ive found the old DVD archives of shows ive got that i moved to dvd years ago....
[8:21] <dr_willis> would like to get them back to HD.
[8:21] <knoppies> I hope your having fun. You know the Seagate external drive can unclip from the bottom and then the SATA ports are exposed. I love that they did that. It makes perfect sense. I never thought a money hungry fat corp would ever do something like that for its customers.
[8:22] <dr_willis> i have a few Segates and many WD's and others i pick up when i find them on sale.
[8:22] <dr_willis> trying to figure out how to organize my video files is the harder part.
[8:23] <dr_willis> i need to get stuff in xbmc understandable names also
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[9:20] <prodigy> anyone can help me choose os for my raspberrypi 512ram ? i really want something that i can use in graphical and i prefer yum as a package manager oh and xfce as window manager because it doesn`t eat up the system
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[9:21] <wachpwnski> you can install yum from debian
[9:21] <wachpwnski> even though it uses apt-get
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[9:22] <prodigy> i do not like .deb based systems it`s just a matter of taste...
[9:22] <prodigy> i prefer working with rpm
[9:22] <knoppies> prodigy, there is quite a bit of arch support on the Pi. Im not sure what other alternatives there are.
[9:22] <dr_willis> ive found all the X/window managers on the Pi to be sluggish. due to the lack of hardware accellreation under x
[9:22] <dr_willis> so if you expect a nice desktop. you may be dissapointeed
[9:23] <prodigy> i just want to use console and firefox maybe some editor but not much
[9:23] <rossw> surely dwm will run fine on the pi? :D
[9:23] <prodigy> as long as videos play ok in firefox it`s ok xD
[9:23] <dr_willis> midori browser is barely useable spoeed wse i find..
[9:23] <dr_willis> I used jwm on the pi.. and even then it was sluggish
[9:24] <dr_willis> and jwm is abut the lightest wm ive seen.
[9:24] <dr_willis> but just a browser will be taking 5x the resources of the window manager.
[9:24] <miyo> rossw: did you try dwm on rpi?
[9:25] <rossw> miyo: nah, not yet, i plan to though
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[9:26] <miyo> rossw: well, can you inform me when you did? I just got this strawberry sweet. Must go shopping for some stuff to make it works.
[9:27] <prodigy> anyone here tried fedora 17 ?
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[9:27] <prodigy> i have used fedora and before that i been a regular redhat user...
[9:27] <rossw> miyo: heh, sure, but i dont plan on doing it until i get my second pi
[9:28] <miyo> rossw: oh, great. so your old pi won't feel lonely. Poor mine.
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[9:28] <rossw> miyo: try dwm yourself :D
[9:28] <rossw> dr_willis: is your pi overclocked at all?
[9:28] <miyo> rossw: I did it on my laptop. I think it will be fine on the pie too
[9:29] <rossw> :)
[9:29] <rossw> i <3 dwm
[9:29] <dr_willis> ive not really played with overclocking
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[9:32] <prodigy> so did anyone tried fedora 17 on the pi ?
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[9:39] <jelly1> not me
[9:40] <prodigy> then what you people are using and runs well in graphics ? i mean not so sluggish as xbmc.. ?
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[9:42] <xzr> you could always take a dive with archlinux and some light x-window system
[9:42] <xzr> :p
[9:42] <dr_willis> xbmc video playback is using the hardware normally
[9:42] <dr_willis> the hardware acceleration.]
[9:43] <dr_willis> the X desktop does not.
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[9:43] <dr_willis> at least not yet. from what i have read.
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[9:43] <prodigy> damn, i really wanted xfce as window manager or gnome 2 would be great
[9:43] <prodigy> ..
[9:44] <dr_willis> fancy desktops are not going to be useable i imagine
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[9:44] <dr_willis> i find just jwm barelyuseable with a few t4erminals open
[9:44] <xzr> oh there's fedora for rpi also
[9:44] <xzr> nowadays :o
[9:45] <prodigy> yes i already downloaded the installer and etc but i don`t know if it runs well or sluggish..
[9:45] <dr_willis> i imagien any X desktop will be sluggish
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[9:48] <prodigy> i`ll give it a try as i`m regular fedora user
[9:48] <B0101> Hi, does the raspberry pi use interrupts? or do we need to write our own routine for everything?
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[9:48] <SpeedEvil> it's Linux
[9:48] <jelly1> linux has interrupts....
[9:49] <SpeedEvil> interrupts are basically handled for you
[9:49] <B0101> What I want to do is to write my own OS for the pi
[9:49] <jelly1> oh dear
[9:49] <SpeedEvil> there are interrupts, yes
[9:49] <jelly1> could do that in a VM :p
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[9:49] <SpeedEvil> own os is a bit problematic
[9:49] <SpeedEvil> documentation sucks
[9:49] <jelly1> you need to talk to a lolblob
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[9:51] <xzr> well yeah prodigy, keep in mind that the cpu and ram on the pi are not at all impressive, so expect most of the "normal" x desktops to be sluggish
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[9:52] <prodigy> that`s the reason i wanted to try slackware but it`s not so easy to install
[9:52] <prodigy> at least fedora has an installer
[9:52] <rossw> surely they will both be sluggish
[9:52] <rossw> youll want something like arch
[9:52] <rossw> with a really lightweight wm
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[9:53] <prodigy> i`ll try arch too first fedora :-)
[9:54] <Weems> is xfce light enough?
[9:54] <rossw> one way to find out
[9:54] <prodigy> thanks for the suggestions guys
[9:54] <prodigy> i`ll test the 2 of them
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[9:55] <Amadiro> also, X is currently not at all accelerated (but that is supposed to change at some point)
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[9:55] <Amadiro> (through a driver or through using something like weston/wayland)
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[9:57] <jelly1> and wayland isn't even finished
[9:57] <jelly1> or usable
[9:58] <Zta> Oh, I'm looking forwared to Wayland.
[9:58] <jelly1> wait for another 4 years :p
[9:58] <Zta> Probably =)
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[10:02] <wachpwnski> i keep locking up on my build
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[10:05] <jelly1> out of ram?
[10:06] <wachpwnski> I don't think so
[10:06] <jelly1> 'locking' is quiet vague
[10:06] <wachpwnski> it's when I'm making webkit-gtk2
[10:06] <wachpwnski> as in during the make it freezes
[10:06] <jelly1> haha
[10:06] <jelly1> disk full?
[10:06] <wachpwnski> let me check
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[10:07] <wachpwnski> no got 32 free
[10:08] <wachpwnski> it's webkit-gtk2 that is freezing up
[10:08] <jelly1> mem full when building?
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[10:09] <zilog> i was just trying my pi with my new monitor last night and was seeing random dots around the screen - could this be a cabling or power issue?
[10:09] <wachpwnski> wrong channel
[10:09] <wachpwnski> lol
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[10:09] <wachpwnski> I was wondering why you were asking that. :D
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[10:16] <dr_willis> zilog: ive seen red dots with bad cables befor
[10:16] <zilog> they looked more green or white, i've seen screenshots of bad connections and it was only a small amount of dots in comparison
[10:17] <zilog> not a long cable or anything
[10:17] <zilog> but i do have another to try
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[10:18] <dr_willis> ive had flakey cavbles give very weird patterns befor.
[10:18] <dr_willis> and these looked like good heavy duty cables.
[10:18] <dr_willis> but they were from a rumage sale for $1 ;)
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[10:19] <zilog> this was some freebie with my new iiyama monitor, but i would have assumed they wouldn't be giving out complete junk
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[10:20] <dr_willis> they make them cheap and send them out
[10:20] <dr_willis> i bet they dont even tesst them :)
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[11:34] <lxSnow> o/
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[12:01] <Crenn-NAS> https://twitter.com/crennsmind/status/289688068854804480/photo/1 :D
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[12:06] <Serano> nice shot
[12:06] <Crenn-NAS> Thanks :D
[12:06] <Crenn-NAS> So much fun doing that XD
[12:09] <Serano> the pic actually got me thinking of trying to control the powerflow to such an orb
[12:09] <Serano> to manipulate the beams
[12:09] <Serano> thorugh the pi :)
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[12:09] <Crenn-NAS> I've though of just getting it to flash to the RPi xD
[12:09] <Crenn-NAS> Do network activity!
[12:10] <double-you> hi, what is the best 100% working 300mbit wi-fi adapter?
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[12:13] <Serano> i'm using the dongle that the pi partner supplied
[12:14] <Serano> but i'm actually wondering if 300Mbit speeds are actually achievable on the pi
[12:14] <Serano> i have doubts about it
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[12:14] <double-you> Serano: which one?
[12:14] <jacekowski> 300mbits data rate is impossible on wifi
[12:14] <jacekowski> that 300mbits relates to line rate
[12:15] <mjr> keep in mind that wifi speeds are generally expressed as theoretical maximums to both directions at once, to keep you on your toes
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[12:15] <jacekowski> and overheads on n are huge (in some cases everheads on n are so big that it's slower than old 54mbits g)
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[12:16] <mjr> okay, usb is half duplex as well so it's kind of fair to compare that to the usb 2 speed
[12:16] <double-you> ok, how fast is reading from an external hard disk on r-pi?
[12:16] <Serano> ic I always thought they represented the total wifi bandwidth speed available on the AP
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[12:17] <jacekowski> Serano: total LINE RATE
[12:18] <jacekowski> Serano: there is up to 90% overheads from that
[12:19] <jacekowski> the best data rate achievable i ideal condition with data that can be aggregated by the devices
[12:19] <jacekowski> overheads drop to ~20%
[12:20] <Serano> ok :)
[12:22] <Crenn-NAS> I've managed to do 10MB/s on WiFi
[12:23] <Xark> double-you: I believe I was getting around ~20MB/sec. Pretty much par for the poor WD external I was using (you could perhaps do better with another drive).
[12:23] <Macer> i've managed around 9MB/s heh
[12:24] <mjr> yeah and what I meant is generally you halve that rate if you want to know the line rate available for a single transfer direction
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[12:24] <double-you> the point is that I want to reach the max. available speed for reading a hard disk and share it over network
[12:26] <double-you> and I don't know which wifi adapter I should buy
[12:26] <Crenn-NAS> Macer: Right next to the router?
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[12:26] <Crenn-NAS> double-you: I bought one off eBay for AUD$7, it works fine
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[12:30] <double-you> I've read that Edimax EW-7811UN should be good, but only "150" mbit.
[12:31] <Macer> Crenn-NAS: well.. not too far from :)
[12:32] <Macer> my bigger problem was that linux drivers for wifi adapters suck unless they're atheros chipsets
[12:32] <Macer> any rt chipset i've used with open or closed drivers have never worked at n speeds
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[12:32] <Crenn-NAS> I just wanted a working WiFi connection to my Raspbian Rover... it works!
[12:33] <Crenn-NAS> double-you: Why does only 150mbit matter?
[12:34] <double-you> I don't want the router to switch back to g.
[12:35] <Crenn-NAS> 150 isn't g
[12:35] <double-you> yes, that's why I want to keep n for every device.
[12:35] <Macer> well.. i use 2 of the pis i have for xbmc
[12:35] <Macer> and i can't stream 1080p/dts video to it via wifi
[12:35] <Macer> due to bad wifi drivers :)
[12:35] <aDro> what is the default port for SSH and Telnet?
[12:35] <Macer> it maxes at 2MB/s on a good day
[12:36] <double-you> 2 MB/s is horrible
[12:36] <Macer> aDro: 22 for ssh
[12:36] <aDro> ty
[12:36] <Macer> double-you: i know
[12:36] <Macer> 21 for telnet i believe
[12:36] <double-you> 10 - 20 MByte/s would be good
[12:36] <mjr> 23 for telnet, common ports can be found in /etc/services
[12:36] <aDro> Awesome
[12:36] <aDro> 21 is FTP
[12:36] <Macer> i think for wifi 8MB/s would be good heh
[12:37] <Macer> oh yeah my bad
[12:37] <Macer> can't remember telnet heh
[12:37] <Macer> been too long
[12:37] <aDro> Oh yeah, I should test my RPi and the wifi unit I have.
[12:37] <Macer> 23?
[12:37] <aDro> 23
[12:37] <aDro> Yes
[12:37] <Macer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers
[12:38] <Crenn-NAS> double-you: I doubt you'll get 10-20MB/s over WiFi
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[12:38] <Macer> yeah... that isn't realistic
[12:38] <Macer> like i said the linux drivers.. i used the same rt1200 on a windows box and i was getting around 8MB/s
[12:38] <Crenn-NAS> 802.11ac maybe, but not n
[12:38] <Macer> on the pi... 2
[12:39] <Macer> figuring it was the pi i connected it to another linux box
[12:39] <Macer> 2MB/s
[12:39] <double-you> Macer: you should buy another wifi adapter ;)
[12:39] <aDro> What's a good SSH Client for 64bit windows 7?
[12:39] <Macer> the linux drivers (even the closed ubuntu ones for rt) are broken
[12:39] <nid0> putty
[12:39] <Macer> aDro: kitty
[12:39] <Crenn-NAS> aDro: I'm using putty right now to chat on IRC ;P
[12:39] <Serano> always putty
[12:39] <aDro> putty says intel 86
[12:39] <Crenn-NAS> So?
[12:39] <Serano> thoughout all those years :)
[12:39] <nid0> putty works fine on x64
[12:40] <Crenn-NAS> Do you really need native 64-bit for a SSH client?
[12:40] <Macer> aDro: you might be able to find a x64 exe but it doesn't matter heh
[12:40] <aDro> I was curious
[12:40] <Macer> you will gain 0 32bit vs 64bit
[12:40] <double-you> Macer: so I should try to get an atheros?
[12:40] <Macer> double-you: i would. seems atheros chipsets are more supported than anything else
[12:41] <Macer> but this day and age it is whatever china makes cheapest
[12:41] <Macer> so sometimes they are difficult to find nor are they advertised as such
[12:41] <double-you> yes, it's hard to find out if a wifi adapter has built in atheros
[12:41] <Macer> most wifi adapters are simply marketed as wifi :) because 99% of the people don't care about the chipset since windows supports whatever it is
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[12:42] <double-you> there are also the same adapters with different chipsets
[12:42] <aDro> Interesting
[12:42] <Macer> sure are
[12:42] <Crenn-NAS> The one I got is Realtek based
[12:43] <Macer> like i said.. whatever china makes cheapest is the chipset most use
[12:43] <Macer> 9/10 times it's a realtek chipset
[12:43] <Crenn-NAS> It's not bad ;P
[12:43] <double-you> heh
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[12:47] <apo> Okay, tried a third SD card, and my pi still refuses to boot
[12:47] <apo> I'm getting the feeling that this thing is broken
[12:47] <Serano> got a question. when playing files with omxplayer i sometimes get an error for vhicq. To get past that error i normally do sudo chmod a+rw /dev/vhicq my question is what is the most elegant way to make that permanent
[12:48] <Serano> after every reboot i need to redo this command
[12:49] <Crenn-NAS> apo: What monitor do you have hooked upto it?
[12:49] <apo> Crenn-NAS: SyncMaster P2450
[12:50] <aDro> What is your primary os?
[12:50] <apo> Crenn-NAS: Doesn't matter, though. The ACT LED doesn't blink.
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[12:50] <Serano> apo have you tried booting with nothing attached
[12:51] <Serano> i noticed that's why mine sometimes refuses to boot
[12:51] <apo> of course
[12:53] <aDro> have you tried u-boot?
[12:53] <apo> aDro: You mean me? No
[12:54] <aDro> http://kernelnomicon.org/?m=201207
[12:54] <aDro> New U-Boot
[12:54] <aDro> really tiny
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[12:54] <aDro> Will work on a 512MB SD Card
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[12:58] <Crenn-NAS> ACT LED not blinking is ok during bootup
[12:58] <Crenn-NAS> The OK LED on the other hand.... that can be problematique
[12:58] <aDro> I have an 2 GB flash stick to install the downloaded operating systems onto.
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[12:59] <aDro> You can use an exter HDD as long as you use an extra power hub
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[13:00] <apo> I don't have one
[13:01] <aDro> USB drive?
[13:01] <aDro> Flash drive?
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[13:04] <apo> 12:58:42 <+Crenn-NAS> The OK LED on the other hand.... that can be problematique
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[13:04] <apo> That's what I meant.
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[13:04] <apo> 'the one that's supposed to be green'
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[13:10] <apo> Whatever. Moved the card into my camera's second slot and told it to use that for videos. ~_~
[13:12] <aDro> Did you image the OS correctly?
[13:13] <apo> yes
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[13:15] <Crenn-NAS> apo: What appears on the screen?
[13:15] <apo> Crenn-NAS: The blackness of the void
[13:15] <Crenn-NAS> Sure the SD card is all the way in?
[13:15] <apo> yes
[13:15] <Crenn-NAS> What SD card is it?
[13:16] <Crenn-NAS> What image are you trying to use?
[13:16] <apo> an extrememory 32GB card, a 4GB intenso card, and an 8GB sandisk extreme pro
[13:16] <apo> gentoo
[13:17] <apo> following https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[13:17] <Crenn-NAS> Have you tried the Raspbian image?
[13:17] <apo> nope
[13:17] <Crenn-NAS> Try that?
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[13:18] <aDro> Start with the basics
[13:18] <aDro> That
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[13:22] <TomWij> apo: First things first, is your power supply fine?
[13:23] <aDro> 700mA-1000mA
[13:24] <aDro> Usb from your computer is only 500mA
[13:24] <aDro> Not enough
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[13:25] * TomWij uses Gentoo as well.
[13:25] <apo> TomWij: Should be, the voltages are all correct
[13:25] * Gordio 500mA enough
[13:25] <TomWij> apo: And the output of "p" in `fdisk /dev/mmcblk0`?
[13:26] <alpha080> forget the password of pi,how to get it? no network and img now
[13:26] <aDro> I need to learn more of this linux terminal language
[13:26] * Gordio use USB keyboard, Ethernet, 1 capacitor (1500mf)
[13:26] <aDro> Any good sources?
[13:26] <TomWij> (`fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 | wgetpaste`)
[13:26] <Gordio> *+ USB card reader
[13:26] <Gordio> aDro, find in google:bash
[13:26] <Gordio> bush for dummies :D
[13:27] <Gordio> *bash
[13:27] <apo> TomWij: a 32M vfat partition and a ~4GB xfs partition
[13:28] <TomWij> apo: Can you pastebin it?
[13:28] <apo> Nope
[13:28] <alpha080> forget the password of pi,how to get it? no network and img now
[13:29] <alpha080> can
[13:30] <TomWij> alpha080: Use the force of physical access, flip the bits that contain your password; what else would you expect as an answer?
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[13:31] <alpha080> not like pc,i dont change the boot setting the single user booting
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[13:31] <TomWij> apo: Okay, then make sure your first partition is bootable. And you might really want to consider to just use W95 FAT32 (LBA) and ext3 for a start...
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[13:32] <nid0> if you've lost the password for pi and havent setup any other users you can still access, you'll need to load the sd card into another system and manually rewrite /etc/shadow with a new password for the pi user
[13:32] <nid0> or brute-force the current password
[13:32] <mjr> nid0, or just empty the password and set a new one on the pi right away
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[13:33] <apo> TomWij: Too late :P
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> Hm. wonder why gentoo would use an ssl certificate my web browser doesn't recognise...
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[13:39] <nid0> ?
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> I looked at the link posted earlier: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[13:41] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: I get the same - untrusted issuer (Firefox on OS X)
[13:42] <alpha080> so how to rewrite /etc/shadow now?
[13:42] <nid0> no major browsers use the cacert root certificate currently
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[13:48] <Hodapp> I need to get a startssl cert for my owncloud instance...
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[14:08] <gordonDrogon> I have a wildcard for *.drogon.net which I use.
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[14:16] <TomWij> alpha080: How do you think you would rewrite the file? Not if you keep the SD card in your Raspberry Pi.
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[14:17] <TomWij> gordonDrogon: CAcert Inc. and works here, suppose your SSL support is a bit off...
[14:18] <alpha080> ok, i find a backup of shadow whose name is shadow-
[14:18] <alpha080> now i solve my question
[14:19] <alpha080> thx the guys help me
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[14:23] <prscarp> So are there no external hard drives that dont go to sleep?
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[14:25] <nid0> probably not many, why would you want it to never go to sleep?
[14:25] <prscarp> Well I'd like one for the pi but and I just dont want it going to sleep
[14:25] <nid0> you could easily script keeping it awake
[14:25] <xzr> make a cron script that touches a file on the drive every few minutes? :P
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[14:25] <nid0> what he said
[14:26] <prscarp> I guess that would work, but I guess I'd prefer one that just didnt
[14:26] <nid0> use an ssd
[14:27] <prscarp> That would be nice, but I also need a good size drive
[14:27] <nid0> define "good size"
[14:28] <prscarp> Well, 1TB would be nice
[14:29] <xzr> not that I've looked into it but one would think the OS has the settings for when the disks sleep etc?
[14:29] <ne2k> anyone got a Behringer UCA202 working without the horrible 10Hz(ish) ticking described here? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=15843&p=160353
[14:29] <ne2k> or other device using snd_usb_audio
[14:29] <prscarp> Im not really sure, but I believe a lot of those portable drives have a built in sleep function
[14:29] <xzr> in any case the crontab entry takes 15 seconds to create, doesn't damage the disk and does what you need
[14:29] <ne2k> I believe the problem is isochronous transfers, but there's so many threads and so much old stuff on them it's hard to know what the latest on it is
[14:30] <xzr> yeah western digital atleast
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[14:32] <prscarp> xzr: or maybe I could get one of these and just use any standard drive
[14:32] <prscarp> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153066
[14:32] <prscarp> that would probably work with the pi, right?
[14:33] <prscarp> theres a coupon code and a rebate so its pretty cheap
[14:34] <ne2k> prscarp: I've got something extremely similar to that sitting on my desk
[14:34] <prscarp> you like it?
[14:34] <ne2k> it's not mine, it's work's. haven't really used it
[14:35] <prscarp> Oh lol, what brand is it?
[14:35] <ne2k> prscarp: Sharkoon. it has an esata connector on the back
[14:35] <ne2k> sharkoon sata quickport pro
[14:35] <ne2k> http://www.sharkoon.com/?q=en/node/1261
[14:37] <prscarp> Its been discontinued on newegg :/
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[14:38] <ne2k> seems to work fine on the pi
[14:38] <xzr> prscarp: yeah those work fine
[14:39] <xzr> I've got one similar
[14:39] <xzr> it's actually very handy to have one at home in any case
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[14:39] <xzr> if you ever have to do some data rescuing or whatever
[14:39] <AndrevS> Max HDD capacity 2 TB for USB, 3 TB for eSATA? Is 2 TB a limit for USB mass storage in general?
[14:40] <Amadiro> AndrevS, no.
[14:40] <xzr> I have no idea where that limit comes from
[14:40] <prscarp> probably would be, maybe Ill get one anyways even if I dont use it for the pi
[14:40] <Hodapp> I suspect it's not a real limit...
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[14:41] <nid0> its probably just a "we tested up to this when we released the product"
[14:41] <AndrevS> I have seen this limit on many USB hard disk enclosures enclosures. Perhaps related to the used controller chip?
[14:41] <Amadiro> perhaps. There certainly are USB 2.0 harddrives that have more than 2TiB.
[14:41] <Amadiro> http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Desktop-External-Hard-Drive/dp/B004SH5VQ4 for instance.
[14:41] <Hodapp> In most cases, aren't they encapsulating the underlying protocol in such a manner that it doesn't much matter?
[14:43] <xzr> one would think so
[14:43] <nid0> the only "limit" as such at 2TB is in mbr, you often cant boot from >2Tb partitions unless you're using gpt
[14:44] <AndrevS> Cool! I am thinking about ordered some USB hard disk soon. I need some more storage.
[14:44] * Matt hands nid0 a 10MB HDD
[14:44] <nid0> just what I always wanted
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[14:45] <AndrevS> What interface does it have?
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> TomWij, some checking and as nid0 suggests, browsers don't carry the cacert root certificate by default - you need to add it in. Presumably this i pressure from the certificate cartel because these certificates are free (which all certificates ought to be IMO), and thuse the cartell bleat about not getting any money from them...
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[14:45] <Matt> ST-412 of course :)
[14:46] <AndrevS> :P
[14:46] <Matt> I remember the fun of configuring HDD controllers back in those days
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[14:46] <gordonDrogon> 1024 cylinders!!!
[14:46] <Matt> before the whole CMOS setup stuff in the BIOS
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> a legacy that's still with us today )-:
[14:47] <Matt> you had to configure the controller by booting DOS and using DEBUG to jump to the area of memory mapped to the controller's ROM
[14:47] <AndrevS> Oh my....
[14:48] <TomWij> gordonDrogon: Erm... Which browser is that then? Because I get them by default.
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[14:48] <nid0> TomWij: no browser includes the cacert root certificate by default.
[14:49] <nid0> that said, several nix distros do include it in the os store
[14:50] <DDave> oh right, cacert...
[14:50] <DDave> most useless thing Ive ever done :D
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[14:52] <AndrevS> see http://wiki.cacert.org/InclusionStatus
[14:55] <TomWij> I see... https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93520
[14:56] <AndrevS> And if you click the link at mozilla, you find https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215243 , where it appearently seems that cacert has requested to be removed in 2007
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[15:03] <ne2k> my first computer with a hard drive was ordered with a 60MB but they were out of stock of those so supplied an 80MB instead!
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[15:10] <gordonDrogon> TomWij, Firefox.
[15:11] <Matt> gordonDrogon: do you reckon you could implement an ST-506/ST-412 interface using the gpio lines on the pi?
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> Matt, er... not sure. let me refresh my memory (saying that if it can be done on an Apple II ...)
[15:14] <Matt> well if you ignore the drive select lines, and hard wire them, and if you ignore head select 2 and 3, assuming you've only got a two-platter disk, which was the case for the 10MB drive
[15:15] <Matt> then I think there are probably enough lines :)
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[15:16] <Matt> now if I still had an ST-412, I might be tempted to embark on such a project :)
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[15:20] <gordonDrogon> I think the timing requirements are too tight.
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> you need to serialise the data to the disk for writing (and reading)
[15:20] <AndrevS> tight timing requirements.... bare metal coding?
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[15:21] <gordonDrogon> no - even bare metal has non-deterministic timing on the Pi
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> due to the GPU memory/video refresh.
[15:21] <Matt> I was wondering about timing
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[15:22] <gordonDrogon> I'd probably build a buffer boards (you'll need to for the differential signals anyway) which would take in one 256 byte sector and clock it out to the disk.
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> an atduino could probably do it. talk bac kto the Pi via SPI or sometthing.
[15:22] <Matt> aye
[15:22] <Matt> I'd mused about that too
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> you need to use one of the head selects to reduce write current too - mayboe only on older drives though.
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[15:25] <gordonDrogon> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/seagate/ST412_OEMmanual_Apr82.pdf
[15:26] <Matt> there's an intresting thread in the classiccmp archives 6 months ago
[15:26] <Matt> debating implementing things the other way around
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> other way? like ...
[15:26] <Matt> so having a piece of hardware that pretends to be a drive
[15:26] <Matt> and speaks ST-506
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> Oh right.
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> People have/are doing this for floppys on BBC Micro, etc.
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> CF bases units to plug-in.
[15:27] <Matt> there's logic in doing that
[15:27] <Matt> ST-506/ST-412 drives aren't exactly easy to replace when they crap out
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> no-good if you have an old drive though - I threw out all mine years ago...
[15:27] <Matt> excuse my language, that really wasn't appropriate here
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> Integrated Drive Electronics was the way to go :)
[15:28] <Matt> yeah :)
[15:28] <Matt> I had a stack of ESDI drives sitting around
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> Or even Small Computer Systems Interface if you could afford it :)
[15:28] <Matt> and no ESDI controllers
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> eek :)
[15:28] <Matt> and when I did pick up a QBUS ESDI controller, it didn't want to talk to the disks
[15:29] <Matt> which was a shame :)
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> Heh. I see classiccmp's website is almost as old as the computers...
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[15:30] <Matt> there's #classiccmp too :)
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> and #lackoftime
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> )-:
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> so much to do. so little time.
[15:31] <AndrevS> Yeah, indeed...
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> or it feels like that at times. I didn't even make a start on my usual new year personal projects this year )-:
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> I had 2 lined up too.
[15:33] <Matt> have you hacked your coffee machine?
[15:34] <AndrevS> My coffee pot still doesn't support HTCPCP
[15:35] <mjr> 'cause you haven't hacked it up with a pi, duh
[15:36] <AndrevS> No... my Pi is busy doing other things.... also I still need some components.
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[15:46] <Davespice> folks, anyone here ordered a pibow case? if so, how long did it take to be delivered, I ordered on monday but haven't heard anything from them yet, no dispatch email or anything <shrug>
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[15:48] <ukscone> Davespice: they are pretty speedy on the whole, i'd give it until monday then email them if you haven't heard anything
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> my coffee machine works fine without a Pi, but I know a place in Cornwall that has a Pi running their coffee machine, till, etc.
[15:50] <AndrevS> awesome!
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> I had a photo somewhere too...
[15:51] * gordonDrogon looks.
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[15:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> Davespice where in the world are you ? - or poke https://twitter.com/pimoroni , they turn up fast
[15:55] <Serano> coffeemachine hooked to the pi :o
[15:55] <Serano> now there is an idea to motivate you. No skills, no coffee
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[15:57] <Davespice> RaTTuS|BIG: I'm the county of Surrey in old blighty
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/coffee1.jpg http://unicorn.drogon.net/coffee2.jpg
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> they're a bit out of focus. crap camera phone.
[15:58] <Davespice> I have sent an email to sales@pimoroni.com too, I'll leave it there for now
[15:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> kk - I'd drop them, an email or poke him on twitter if you tweet
[15:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> kk
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[16:03] <Serano> I've found out a way for me to program our washing machine and dryer to run when the solar panels on the roof are making enough power and if there aint enough sun during the day it will start them at night at lower tarifs
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[16:03] <Serano> but so far that's my only life hack with the pi :)
[16:03] <double-you> that's cool
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[16:05] <Matt> that is kinda cool actally
[16:05] <Serano> not too difficult though
[16:06] <Serano> it's just reading in stats every 15 minutes through in python script
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[16:06] <Serano> if it sees 2 consecutive true booleans on a function that validates the enough power
[16:07] <Serano> it powers a relay and a power circuit is started
[16:07] <Serano> and with some rubber foam and some tape i managed to circumvent the start mechanism of both devices
[16:09] <Matt> lol
[16:09] <Serano> next i'm going to try and combine it with a cloud forcast. Parse the rss to get an expected sun time of the upcoming day
[16:10] <Serano> if that works i can make it more efficient
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[16:11] <osfameron> afternoon
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[16:11] <osfameron> are there gerbers/hardware schematics for the Raspi boards themselves? e.g.the Model B?
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[16:13] <gordonDrogon> osfameron, there are schematics.
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[16:17] <osfameron> gordonDrogon: where can I find them?
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[16:17] <gordonDrogon> osfameron, google.
[16:18] <raspier> https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raspberrypi.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F04%2FRaspberry-Pi-Schematics-R1.0.pdf&ei=Ly3wULGtJsHDhAf36IH4Dw&usg=AFQjCNEp93yCz13agj3xQn9dQ44MAKpx5A&sig2=IvXkMa6t4v6GbwYO-54-wQ&bvm=bv.1357700187,d.d2k
[16:18] <osfameron> gordonDrogon: ah, I did and found, for example "No actual gerber files have been released the last time we looked (07/2012)." from http://www.raspberry-projects.com/pi/pi-hardware/model-b-cad
[16:18] <osfameron> raspier: ah, thanks
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[16:19] <raspier> osfameron: It's the first result for a google search of "raspberry pi schematics"...
[16:19] <osfameron> raspier: evidently I was googling the wrong thing...
[16:20] <osfameron> ah, so as of april, http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1090
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[16:22] <osfameron> ok, and http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1090#comment-20695 gives a bit more background
[16:23] <osfameron> ah, I was googling for "gerber" rather than "schematics", silly me
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[16:25] <Hodapp> pro tip: bring a mouse or a keyboard if you intend to use your Pi interactively someplace with no mouse or keyboard.
[16:25] * Hodapp headdesk
[16:26] <osfameron> Hodapp: I thought I'd be clever and install the Adafruit distro and ssh into it instead...
[16:26] <osfameron> (but couldn't get it to boot, hey ho)
[16:26] <Hodapp> hah
[16:28] <spline> do you need a keyboard to boot the first time if you have it hooked up via ethernet and rasbian?
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[16:29] <Hodapp> not sure.
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[16:31] <prscarp> spline: you may need it to initially enable ssh
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[16:32] <spline> ahh ok
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[16:33] <mjr> you can pretweak the card to let you in on another sysytem at least
[16:33] <spline> figure it won't matter I have a mac keyboard (small one but usb?) used it before on my dell running ubuntu
[16:33] <spline> only thing im missing is a mouse
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[16:35] <IT_Sean> spline, a keyboard issa keyboard issa keyboard. Other than branding, and different symbols on some of the modifier keys, as far as the computer is concerned, there is no such thing as a "mac keyboard" or a "dell keyboard" etc... they are all just keyboards.
[16:35] <IT_Sean> The only exception with the raspi is if it's a really fancy gaming keyboard that requires more powah than the Pi cna deliver.
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[16:39] <rossw> i might get a roll up keyboard
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[16:43] <spline> IT_Sean: just wondered because you sometimes can't simulate a ctrl or something else on it where you need it
[16:43] <spline> I figure it wouldn't be a problem
[16:43] <spline> I just need to enable ssh and im good to go once mine gets here
[16:44] <IT_Sean> that's an issue of keyboard mapping, and has nothing to really do with who manufactured the keyboard.
[16:45] <IT_Sean> If needed, you can remap the modifier keys in most *nix based OSes fairly easily.
[16:46] <streetmapp> spline: pretty sure raspbian is already enabled with ssh. i set mine up without a monitor/keyboard/mouse.
[16:46] <spline> o nice
[16:46] <streetmapp> yeah just looked at my router to see what address it assigned and was able to connect just fine
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[16:47] <spline> im gonna be setting up xmbc on it. do you have a remote on there? im using the thing for pure h264 streaming live
[16:47] <spline> a friend of mine soldered an ir from mouser (gpio) for liek $3 but I found flixr? or something for 22$ usb
[16:48] <streetmapp> i havent set up xbmc on it. already have a media center pc for that, but i'm sure there's stuff floating around you could use
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[17:05] <Hodapp> I'd be curious about how to use a remote, particularly if it's using a receiver I can solder on cheaply
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[17:09] <Torikun> yo
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[17:15] <steve_rox> ppl driveing me nuts on utube with "unboxing" vids of the pi , how many more they gonna make
[17:15] <Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com
[17:15] <Torikun> lol
[17:15] <megaproxy> there is fuck all to unbox too
[17:15] <megaproxy> uh
[17:15] <megaproxy> SORRY!
[17:15] <DeliriumTremens> steve_rox: why are you watching them?
[17:15] <megaproxy> there isnt much to unbox*
[17:16] <steve_rox> i search utube daily for new pi vids
[17:16] <steve_rox> its what mostly comes up in results
[17:16] <Torikun> If you wanna blog about the pi, join my site http://www.linux-toys.com
[17:16] <Torikun> hosted on two pi's
[17:16] <Torikun> lol
[17:16] <steve_rox> i guess i search for project ideas or insperational vids
[17:17] <megaproxy> i also will give free hosting for pi blogs :P
[17:17] <Torikun> steve_rox: maybe everyone just opening them and letting them collect dust lol
[17:17] <megaproxy> hosted on a real hosting system :DD
[17:17] <Torikun> lolololol
[17:17] <megaproxy> http://pihosted.org
[17:17] <megaproxy> the name is a bit inacruate tbh
[17:17] <megaproxy> you should use it :D
[17:17] <Torikun> hahahha megaproxy
[17:17] <Hodapp> http://aron.ws/projects/lirc_rpi/ - this looks quite simple
[17:17] <steve_rox> well i got mine in a case so no dust for mine
[17:18] <Hodapp> but why does he build a separate blaster?
[17:18] <megaproxy> Torikun, are you working on a cluster hosting soloution?>
[17:18] <Torikun> no lol
[17:18] <megaproxy> baw
[17:18] <megaproxy> why not?
[17:18] <megaproxy> do it
[17:18] <Torikun> I would liek to
[17:18] <megaproxy> id be hella interested
[17:18] * megaproxy has been desiging a case for datacentre use
[17:18] <Torikun> help me megaproxy
[17:18] <megaproxy> here are renders.
[17:18] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/7RpTY.png
[17:18] <Torikun> I got one pi for the database and one pi for the web server
[17:18] <megaproxy> thats a first draft
[17:19] <megaproxy> you should get another to act as a load balancer
[17:19] <Torikun> nice image megaproxy
[17:19] <Torikun> do you know how to do that
[17:19] <megaproxy> and maybe another for email if you run mail
[17:19] <Torikun> the webserver is running the email now
[17:19] <megaproxy> brb need a cig
[17:19] <Torikun> look at the first blog post megaproxy
[17:19] <Torikun> you can see them lol
[17:19] <megaproxy> will do!
[17:19] <Torikun> the case will arriev today
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[17:20] <steve_rox> yea then you can make a unboxing vid of the case
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[17:20] <Torikun> lol
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[17:21] <steve_rox> :-D
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[17:24] <steve_rox> wonder when that cam module will be out
[17:24] <megaproxy> back
[17:24] <megaproxy> i made my own case out of the one RS sent me
[17:24] <Torikun> nice
[17:24] <megaproxy> and another out of a big branston pickle jar
[17:24] <megaproxy> it has a nice smell to it
[17:24] <steve_rox> lot of ppl like to use lego for a case
[17:25] <steve_rox> only problem is lego is probly more expensive than a case you can buy online
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[17:25] <megaproxy> it will be
[17:26] <megaproxy> i have lots of lego laying around tho
[17:26] <steve_rox> lucky i guess
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[17:26] <steve_rox> but who will be the first fool to make a pi in a oil tank?
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[17:26] <steve_rox> as in submerge it intirely in oil
[17:26] <megaproxy> im down to do that.
[17:27] <megaproxy> :D
[17:27] <Torikun> i am almost ready to order pi #3
[17:27] <Torikun> lol
[17:27] <mpmc> stop giving people ideas :p
[17:27] <steve_rox> i only have one myself
[17:27] <megaproxy> Torikun, same :D
[17:27] <megaproxy> i got 2 at home
[17:27] <megaproxy> and about 6 at work
[17:27] <megaproxy> :X
[17:27] <megaproxy> i .. kinda like pi's
[17:27] <Torikun> i got 3 at hoem now
[17:27] <Torikun> 1 is daughters computer
[17:27] <Torikun> 2 are mien
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[17:27] <steve_rox> would be nice to be able to hook a simple usb cam into one and do that timed delayed shot thing
[17:28] <megaproxy> you can use usb webcams
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[17:28] <megaproxy> i *kinda* got one working
[17:28] <megaproxy> but it never stayed working...
[17:28] <Torikun> we gonna make the pi cluster blog?
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[17:28] <steve_rox> i have some old ones laying around but i think id have issues with drivers or something like that
[17:29] <steve_rox> i do have a larger digital cam , maybe i could hotwire a remote shutter trigger into the pi
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[17:31] <steve_rox> probly the coolest thing that i can do with it at moment is that FM tranmitter that breaks the law :-P
[17:31] <pksato> some digicam (canon) can be controled by usb (PtP).
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[17:32] <steve_rox> mines a panasonic lumix thing
[17:32] <pksato> no.
[17:33] <Gadget-Mac> Anyone out there with a 512MB Pi able to answer a hardware layout question ?
[17:34] <pksato> nothing that some mosfet and gpio pins cannot resolve.
[17:34] <pksato> ask.
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[17:35] <TomWij> Gadget-Mac: The amount of people make it very likely that there is someone around.
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[17:36] <Gadget-Mac> Ok, anyone able to tell me if the reset pins line up with the pins on the GPIO header and if so which ones ?
[17:37] <pksato> no. reset is on other place.
[17:37] <pksato> and, dont have pins solded.
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[17:37] <Gadget-Mac> I know, thence the question
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[17:38] <Gadget-Mac> if you draw a line from the GPIO header to the reset pins does it line up ?
[17:39] <pksato> you want to reset rpi from GPIO?
[17:39] <Gadget-Mac> No.
[17:40] <Gadget-Mac> I want to know if the holes for the reset pins physically line up with the GPIO header pins
[17:40] <pksato> no.
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[17:41] <pksato> see here, http://elinux.org/images/9/96/RpiFront.jpg
[17:41] <Gadget-Mac> Any idea how much the offeset is ?
[17:42] <pksato> reset pins locate near hdmi connector.
[17:42] <Gadget-Mac> I know.
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[17:42] <pksato> or, you ark if reset header have a same pitch of gpio? yes, have.
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[17:43] <pksato> reset is P6
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[17:59] <mang0> Hey all. I've just finished setting up my raspberry pi, and when trying to SSH in, I'm getting a seg fault; I ran `ssh pi@ip` (with the right IP of course) and then put in the password. Then I got the error "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" and it exited. Any ideas?
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[18:07] <TomWij> core dumped --> inspect core
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[18:10] <ParkerR_> TomWij, Core failer at 100%, please insert replacement core
[18:10] <ParkerR_> *failure
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[18:20] <gordonDrogon> mang0, it's probably an SD card failure.
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> or a memory fault, but probably the SD card.
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[18:22] <mang0> gordonDrogon: Nope, it's a problem with arch (the OS I was trying to ssh from). Just did it from my main OS (debian) on my desktop, worked fine
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[18:24] <pksato> mang0 seg. falt on client side?
[18:24] <pksato> some arch bug.
[18:25] <booyaa> spline: re raspbian and ssh - latest version has ssh enabled a boot time. just need to know pi's ip
[18:25] <booyaa> ssh has been enabled at boot time for sometkme now
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[18:27] <gordonDrogon> mang0, ok.
[18:27] <spline> booyaa: ah awesome. I assume that's the 12-16 img/iso on the site?
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[18:32] <sintrix> Squeeze haz no package manager? Should I use aptitude?
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[18:38] <johnc_> is there a slimmer package to broadcast the pi's netbios name other than samba? I don't need full samba services afterall
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[18:53] <booyaa> spline: yup the top listed distro
[18:56] <streetmapp> i can't win with the configuration of my pi lol
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[18:56] <streetmapp> first i've had issues with some port forwarding to remotely access it
[18:56] <streetmapp> but that's on me
[18:56] <streetmapp> and now that that's resolved, i can't reach my page from work
[18:57] <streetmapp> since my isp is blocking requests from port 80, but not say 85. but my work won't let me out with something other than 80/443
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> streetmapp, can you ssh to it?
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[18:58] <streetmapp> gordonDrogon: yeah i have that setup
[18:58] <booyaa> corporate firewall?
[18:58] <streetmapp> yup most likely
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> streetmapp, ssh mypi -L8080:localhost:80
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> then http://localhost:8080/ will get to your Pi.
[18:58] <booyaa> websense?
[18:59] <johnc_> ssh tunnel ftw
[18:59] <streetmapp> it might be....i know networking was looking at it, just don't know if it happened
[19:00] <streetmapp> gordonDrogon: interesting...i'll have to try that
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[19:10] <booyaa> my old router used to let me listen on wan port 443 but forward internally to 80
[19:10] <booyaa> my superhub (virgin) does not :(
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[19:13] <user82> the overclocking is inside the gpu firmware? is that right?
[19:13] <user82> with config.txt the so called "turbo mode"
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[19:16] <ParkerR_> Woo http://pi.minecraft.net/ so close
[19:17] <sheldor> hey how can i make some program autostart after boot without logging in?
[19:17] <sheldor> like automatically run xbmc, when you quit it you get the login dialog
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[19:17] <spline> /etc/init.d ?
[19:18] <sheldor> no idea
[19:18] <sheldor> spline: i dont know either
[19:18] <sheldor> spline: but there is a funny movie named after you
[19:19] <ParkerR_> spline, /etc/inittab can be edited to launch a program when a particular tty is switched to
[19:19] <ParkerR_> The 1 06 that is farther down that says something like /sbin/getty
[19:19] <ParkerR_> * 1- 6
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[19:20] <booyaa> sheldor: can be daemonized ie turned into a service?
[19:20] <sheldor> ParkerR_: but i dont want anybody to login
[19:20] <sheldor> booyaa: i dont know :(
[19:21] <Matt> last time I looked at a distro that did something like that, they had the system setup to auto-login as a user
[19:22] <Matt> and had that user's .xinitrc launch the app
[19:22] <booyaa> sheldor: whats the app?
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[19:22] <Matt> although with xbmc, you can probably exec it, as you don't need a window manager, that way when you exit xbmc, it logs out
[19:23] <ParkerR_> There is xbmc-standalone
[19:23] <sheldor> booyaa: xbmc
[19:23] <Matt> I've not done anything like this in years tho :)
[19:23] <ParkerR_> exec xbmc-standalone
[19:23] <sheldor> Matt: how is this possible?
[19:23] <spline> sheldor: which one?
[19:23] <user82> has anyone used this before? http://www.open.com.au/mikem/bcm2835/index.html
[19:23] <sheldor> ParkerR_: yep, and xbmc behaves the same if run from a console
[19:23] <spline> sheldor: I usually get Maxis (reticulating splines) from like Sim City
[19:23] <sheldor> spline: what do you mean?
[19:23] <booyaa> doesnt raspmbc already start up?
[19:23] <sheldor> spline: there is a movie named "spline"
[19:23] <spline> I had my nick before maxis took up the "reticulating splines" thing
[19:23] <spline> o
[19:23] <sheldor> booyaa: i use raspbian
[19:23] <spline> ill have to look it up
[19:24] <sheldor> spline: it is funny but kinda trashy
[19:24] <sheldor> lol
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[19:24] <spline> sheldor: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=reticulating%20splines
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[19:24] <spline> well im in urbandict as well :-P
[19:24] <sheldor> i mean funny because it is trashy
[19:24] <spline> from simcity 2000 wiki: SimCity 2000 was the first Sim game to feature the semi-nonsensical phrase "Reticulating Splines", which means to make a network of splines.
[19:24] <sheldor> lol not bad spline
[19:25] <spline> yeah, heh, not the worst thing in the world to be associated with
[19:25] <sheldor> oh sorry the movie is named splice
[19:25] <spline> ParkerR_: he wanted to "launch" something @ boot not on specific tty being hit
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[19:25] <spline> that's why I thought of an /etc/init.d/script (doesn't it have one already?)
[19:25] <ParkerR_> spline, If you set it for the first tty it will be at boot
[19:26] <spline> just thinking "debian" ways. I could be wrong because I recall the init.d being depreciated? they didn't go over to an rc.S
[19:26] <spline> ah, yeah
[19:26] <sheldor> if i just write something into /etc/inid.d/script doesnt it rquire a login to run?
[19:26] <sheldor> also how would i make it run under a specific user
[19:26] <Matt> you can use su
[19:27] <Matt> and init scripts run as root
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[19:29] <spline> I'd look to copy an init script that uses su to run as another user. I recall that's the best practice
[19:29] <sheldor> nice
[19:29] <sheldor> and what about the login?
[19:29] <sheldor> i just write "su username xbmc" into the script?
[19:31] <user82> can is use this lib in bare metal as well? http://www.open.com.au/mikem/bcm2835/index.html
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[19:36] <sheldor> i just write "su username xbmc" into the script?
[19:37] <mjr> su -c
[19:38] <ParkerR_> Also remember if running XBMC as root your userdata folder won't be read from your existing one
[19:38] <ParkerR_> So it will be like you are running it for the first time
[19:39] <ParkerR_> Might be abe to sudo cp -R /home/username/.xbmc/ /root/.xbmc/
[19:39] <ParkerR_> *able
[19:39] <sheldor> ParkerR_: yeah therefore the su
[19:39] <ParkerR_> ?
[19:39] <sheldor> i mean su allows you to run stuff as any user
[19:39] <ParkerR_> su will still run it as root
[19:39] <sheldor> it means "switch user"
[19:39] <ParkerR_> Oh
[19:39] <ParkerR_> Hmm
[19:39] <ParkerR_> Then you need extra arguments
[19:40] <sheldor> actually sudo
[19:40] <sheldor> yep
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> streetmapp, ssh tunnels are very handy at times...
[19:40] <sheldor> sudo xbmc -u username
[19:40] <ParkerR_> su username -c xbmc
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> user82, wiringPi is better ;-)
[19:40] <ParkerR_> Naah sudo soesn't do that
[19:40] <sheldor> or sudo nohup xbmc -u username
[19:40] <ParkerR_> *doesn't
[19:40] <sheldor> ParkerR_: what do you mean?
[19:41] <ParkerR_> su is what you need. sudo only switches to root
[19:41] <sheldor> no
[19:41] <user82> gordonDrogon your stuff?
[19:41] <sheldor> sudo -u allows you to specify a username ParkerR_
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi is...
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[19:41] <user82> will give it a go
[19:41] <sheldor> ParkerR_: sudo is basically a shortcut for su -c
[19:41] <ParkerR_> sheldor, "sudo nohup xbmc -u username" but you put -u as an arguemnt for xbmc
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[19:41] <sheldor> well, saves one char to type :)
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[19:41] <sheldor> oh i see ParkerR_
[19:41] <sheldor> yep
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> sheldor, sudo isn't quite the same as su ... you can do things without a password with sudo ...
[19:42] <sheldor> yep
[19:42] <IT_Sean> as in... sudo apt-get install lunch <-- might want to run that one around midday. :p
[19:42] <sheldor> does init.d run with root privieleges?
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> sheldor, it runs as root.
[19:42] <ParkerR_> sheldor, Yes
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[19:43] <sheldor> also i have countless scripts in /etc/init.d
[19:43] <sheldor> into which should i write my command?
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> user82, what are you trying to interface?
[19:43] <ParkerR_> IT_Sean, sudo make -me=asandwich
[19:43] <user82> gordonDrogon nothing just a little lazy looking up numbers in the datasheet
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> user82, :)
[19:43] <user82> uart..gpio
[19:43] <user82> etc
[19:44] <sheldor> there is no /etc/init.d/script
[19:44] <sheldor> but all kinds of stuff
[19:44] <user82> i want the files included into my source dir gordonDrogon can i ask you more tommorrow?
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> user82, if going bare metal, then you don't have the mmu, etc. to wory about - just poke the hardware directly.
[19:44] <sheldor> so where should i place it
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> user82, tomorrow is saturday - but I may be here...
[19:44] <sheldor> oh! actually there is an /etc/init.d/xbmc already
[19:44] <sheldor> but apparently it isnt run?
[19:44] <user82> gordonDrogon that is what i wanted to have..
[19:44] <sheldor> is there a way to enable init.d stuff?
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> sheldor, you might want to start look at the debian sys admin manual...
[19:45] <sheldor> okay
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[19:46] <user82> gordonDrogon i did see your work before that is great. but i am more looking for something like the "avr.h" definition file instead of a complete arduino style solution
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[19:48] <|Jeroen|> mhzz aeon nox 4 seems usable on the pi now
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[19:48] <ParkerR_> I like the default Confluence
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> user82, just take the bits out of wiringPi.c if you need to. there's no real magic to it all.
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[19:49] <gordonDrogon> user82, you could probably use wiringPi in bare metal mode too - just don't do the memory mapping!
[19:49] <ParkerR_> Anybody have the 1ghz config that was shared in here?
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> user82, depends if you want a 'wiring' type interface or port/bit.
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[19:50] <gordonDrogon> user82, there's no speed tp be gained by either approach - the gpio is limited to about 20MHz anyway.
[19:53] <ParkerR_> Anybody?4
[19:53] <ParkerR_> *Anybody?
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[20:00] <gordonDrogon> ParkerR_, for 1GHz?
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> just enable turbo mode and set the upper limit to 1GHz.
[20:00] <ParkerR_> Well there were a few other options people were using to make it stable
[20:00] <ParkerR_> Like not always havnig it at 1ghz
[20:00] <ParkerR_> *having
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[20:05] <axion> ParkerR_: that was my config. sec
[20:06] <ParkerR_> axion, Sweet. Thanks.
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[20:10] <axion> had to find TAFB's link as i'm not able to see mine atm
[20:10] <axion> http://pastebin.com/1aBsWs87
[20:10] <Hexxeh> ukscone: did you figure it out in the end? :P
[20:11] <user82> gordonDrogon i got to go now..i will annoy you tomorrow ;)
[20:12] <user82> i want wiring inside the folder with the bare metal program..so it also needs to be cross compiled from my makefile
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[20:13] <ParkerR_> axion, So how does this look? http://pastebin.com/UCcBJD9w
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[20:14] <axion> the same as mine for the arm settings it seems
[20:15] <ParkerR_> Ok going to try and boot this
[20:15] <ParkerR_> *crosses fingers*
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[20:17] <ParkerR_> ....
[20:17] <ParkerR_> Stays on the video calibration screen
[20:18] <ParkerR_> Only the color pallete
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[20:18] <axion> who manufacturered your ram chip?
[20:18] <ParkerR_> So I guess that config won't work
[20:18] <axion> what power supply?
[20:18] <ParkerR_> Samsung
[20:18] <ParkerR_> I wll try with a better power supply
[20:18] <ParkerR_> Was trying from the lapdock
[20:19] <axion> i was unable to use a 750mA psu with that config...had to use my 1.2A
[20:20] <ParkerR_> axion, Not working with a 2A
[20:20] <axion> also, disconnect any peripherals attached to the pi's usb
[20:20] <ParkerR_> Hmm
[20:20] <axion> i use a powered hub
[20:20] <ParkerR_> I need my wifi and keyboard :P
[20:21] <axion> use dedicated power for that...power the pi from it too
[20:21] <axion> the few of us with that config have the same setup
[20:21] <axion> so YMMV
[20:23] <ParkerR_> axion, Even with no USB it just stays there
[20:23] <axion> sec
[20:24] <axion> backup your config
[20:24] <ParkerR_> I heard one guy say he had his sdram at 450 because he got a kenrel panic otherwise
[20:24] <ParkerR_> But it isn't even getting that far
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[20:25] <ParkerR_> Backed up already
[20:25] <ParkerR_> Pastebin :P
[20:26] <ParkerR_> axion, What are you wanting to try?
[20:26] <axion> http://pastebin.com/jnMJHjUa
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[20:26] <axion> try that with nothing else in it
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> ParkerR_, I don't bother with overclocking now. Tried it, it mostly worked, but gave up on the new turbo mode.
[20:29] <axion> btw, i have been running with my config for over 2 months, watching movies everyday
[20:30] <axion> as have others for a while, so i know it works. if its not getting past the color test it leads me to believe its a power issue
[20:30] <axion> and by 2 months i mean without rebooting...it is rock solid
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> my pi's were pretty solid before I moved to the turbo mode.
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> I think the switching causes additional power spikes.
[20:32] <ParkerR_> axion, Hmm Pi is being stubborn. Just getting the solid green light when I plug in power
[20:33] <axion> heh
[20:33] <axion> no red power?
[20:34] <ParkerR_> axion, That booted
[20:34] <ParkerR_> Naah power was red as usual
[20:34] <axion> awesome...we're getting somewhere
[20:34] <ParkerR_> Just green stays on sometimes
[20:34] <ParkerR_> And I have to keep rep[lugging till it works
[20:34] <ParkerR_> *replugging
[20:35] <axion> ParkerR_: this sounds like a power issue
[20:35] <ParkerR_> 5v 2A without any USB connected
[20:35] <axion> may be relatedbut intermittant
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[20:35] <axion> ok...so now we have to find the problem line
[20:36] <ParkerR_> One of the corefreqs
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[20:36] <axion> you sure?
[20:38] <ParkerR_> axion, Those are the only two commented out
[20:38] <ParkerR_> I would assume it would be one of those
[20:38] <ParkerR_> Since my config with those uncommented didn't work
[20:38] <axion> lets try putting the ram back first..at the end add the 2 sdram lines
[20:39] <axion> i believe you're right, and the ram has never caused issues. i do recall not being able to use 500 core_freq with my old power supply
[20:39] <axion> i forget what i used though
[20:41] <axion> it could also be initial_turbo, as that pushes it to 1GHz immediately which could spike
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[20:41] <axion> i would try the original config with initial commented only, then if that doesnt work, only the 2 core lines
[20:41] <axion> narrow it down
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[20:48] <ParkerR_> axion, Ok sdram wasn't causing it
[20:48] <ParkerR_> corefreq still commented out
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[20:48] <ParkerR_> Will try uncommenting corefreq now
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[20:49] <axion> ok...if it still works, then it is initial_turbo more than likely. i'll be right back i have to disconnect for a minute
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[20:51] <axion> back
[20:52] <TAFB> i am
[20:52] <axion> heya
[20:52] <TAFB> had to switch my DNS servers over to google instead of ISP
[20:52] <TAFB> guess they are having some issues :(
[20:52] <TAFB> speeds workin good though: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2429595216.png
[20:53] <TAFB> :)
[20:53] <axion> google sees too much of people
[20:53] <axion> i use opendns :)
[20:53] <TAFB>
[20:54] <ParkerR_> axion, Ok so it wasn't core_freq
[20:54] <axion> ParkerR_: try the original paste i gave you with initial commented only
[20:55] <ParkerR_> axion, I am using your config
[20:55] <axion> the first paste, not the 2nd
[20:55] <ParkerR_> Just core_freq uncommented and sdram_freq added
[20:55] <axion> sdram was already there in the first paste
[20:55] <axion> and core wasnt commented
[20:55] <ParkerR_> Ahh ok
[20:56] <axion> use that and comment just initial_turbo
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[20:57] <ParkerR_> axion, Yep that works
[20:57] <ParkerR_> Has to be initial
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[20:58] <Torikun> yo
[20:58] <axion> ok no big deal then
[20:58] <axion> that just makes booting slightly faster
[20:59] <axion> for 60 seconds
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[21:05] <rikkib> Scummy supplier sent me an Apacer sd card when an Ascend card had been ordered. Previous purchases were for Ascend cards.
[21:07] <rikkib> elinux not responding
[21:08] <Torikun> "My bad bro"
[21:08] <Torikun> lol
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[21:09] <ParkerR_> axion, Hmm
[21:09] <ParkerR_> PLaying a video in XBMC and the freq is only staying at 500
[21:10] <ParkerR_> Playing fine so I guess I cant complain
[21:11] <rikkib> (Can't contact the database server: User elinux_rw already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connections (db1.osuosl.org))
[21:11] <axion> ParkerR_: odd
[21:11] <axion> what are you using to measure?
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[21:11] <ParkerR_> Even going back to the XBMC gui still at 500mhz
[21:11] <axion> what says 500?
[21:11] <ParkerR_> Just a sec
[21:11] <ParkerR_> Trying to find a permalink
[21:12] <axion> what tool are ytou using?
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[21:12] <ParkerR_> axion, 4th post down http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=17847
[21:12] <ParkerR_> It's a script
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[21:13] <ParkerR_> Hmm says the governor is powersave
[21:13] <ParkerR_> That might be why
[21:13] <axion> that is correct
[21:14] <ParkerR_> So that is the reason it is staying at 500?
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[21:14] <ParkerR_> Aww
[21:15] <ParkerR_> Poor elinux http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
[21:15] <ParkerR_> "(Can't contact the database server: User elinux_rw already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connections (db1.osuosl.org))"
[21:15] <ParkerR_> Good job
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[21:16] <axion> watch -n0.1 'cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq'
[21:16] <axion> no need for a script
[21:16] <axion> powersave is the correct governor to use with throttling on the pi
[21:17] <rikkib> At least the 8GB Apacer sd card is listed as being OK on elinux. Cross your fingers.
[21:18] <ParkerR_> axion, Script is fancier :P
[21:18] <rikkib> elinux responds aftera while.
[21:19] <axion> cpufrequtils is even fancier
[21:20] <ParkerR_> axion, Wait
[21:20] <ParkerR_> force_turbo is set to 0
[21:20] <axion> of course
[21:20] <axion> why would you want to force it into submission?
[21:20] <ParkerR_> I would think 1 would be needed
[21:20] <ParkerR_> "force_turbo Disables dynamic cpufreq driver and minimum settings below. Enables h264/v3d/isp overclock options. Default 0"
[21:20] <ParkerR_> Oh disables minimum
[21:21] <axion> my config is not meant to run at the maximum all the time, only when needed. it wont be bearly as cool or stable
[21:21] <axion> nearly*
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[22:38] <Teligard> Hi all :-) Question: Would a 5V 5A power supply be to strong for a raspberry pi, revision B?
[22:38] <IT_Sean> That would work.
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[22:38] <IT_Sean> 5V = :)
[22:38] <Teligard> Ok, was concerned abou the amperage
[22:39] <Teligard> good deal
[22:39] <IT_Sean> the 5A rating just indicates what the supply is CAPABLE. the raspi will only draw 750ma.
[22:39] <IT_Sean> *CAPABLE of.
[22:40] <Teligard> Now to find something that will adapt between mini-USB adn micro-USB
[22:40] <Gordio> IT_Sean, 750mA (maximum) + Devices
[22:40] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[22:40] <Gordio> Teligard, you can use GPIO
[22:40] <Teligard> I'm not familiar, Gordio
[22:40] <Gordio> find 5V pins and connect ;)
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[22:41] <IT_Sean> you can power the Pi via the GPIO, by suppling the 5v pin with 5v, and connecting the grnd leg of your psu to gnd.
[22:41] <IT_Sean> This is NOT recommended.
[22:41] <thogue> ^ , no protection
[22:42] <Gordio> thogue, usb connection have protection? :D
[22:42] <Teligard> I was told that my atrifacting issue with my rp was due to the power supply, but I have little faith as I've tried more power adapters than I care to count.
[22:42] * Gordio repouse and all work fine
[22:42] <plugwash> yeah, there is a polyfuse that trips at arround 1A on the USB power input connection
[22:42] <Gordio> repoluse == comnnect "-" to "+" and "+" to "-"
[22:42] <thogue> what plugwash said :)
[22:42] <thogue> Ive seens some Pis ship with bad polys
[22:42] <thogue> jsut a heads up
[22:43] <Gordio> but speedly remove. (i think rpi have diode)
[22:43] <Teligard> I'm not comfortable on the hardware side of the process.
[22:43] <Teligard> I've tried two seperate rpi's and think the problem may really just be software
[22:43] <Teligard> but ... I don't know
[22:44] <Teligard> I'm using raspXBMC
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[22:44] <Teligard> And it will go through my movies, but when it starts the tv shows, all goes to pot
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[22:48] <Teligard> I get screen corruption
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[23:10] <confuzled> has anyone had any issues using ssh over wif
[23:10] <confuzled> wifi, i have a rev b board with an edimax dongle
[23:11] <confuzled> wired i can ssh just fine, wireless it says connection refusd
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[23:11] <thogue> no ive never had a problem before, have you restarted ssh daemon after adding the interface?
[23:11] <thogue> what are the results of netstat -an | grep :22 ?
[23:12] <confuzled> how would one restart the daemon without access to the device
[23:12] <thogue> restart the device :-/
[23:12] <confuzled> (i am running darkelec which boots straight into xbmc
[23:12] <confuzled> i tried that...
[23:12] <confuzled> didnt work
[23:12] <thogue> hmmm you have a wire around
[23:12] <thogue> plug the wire in and boot it up
[23:13] <thogue> then connect to it on the wire, and see if you can get the wireless working before you remove the wire, in the past this is what ive done
[23:13] <confuzled> i mght as well not evenuse wifi then
[23:13] <thogue> well usually once you get it configured its good to go
[23:13] <thogue> im not familier with darkelec at all, how did you preconfigure the wireless?
[23:14] <confuzled> same as openelec
[23:14] <thogue> Im not familier with that either, they have a UI in xbmc for that ?
[23:14] <confuzled> yes
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[23:15] <confuzled> wait..the ip is different for in lan interface is it not
[23:15] <confuzled> ie, eth0 and wlan0 would be different ips?
[23:15] <confuzled> since they are different nics (technically)
[23:15] <thogue> yeah it should be different
[23:15] <confuzled> if so thats my issue
[23:15] <thogue> they cannot be the same
[23:15] <thogue> that would be a bad sign
[23:16] <thogue> one if both interfaces are configued with the same address, your gonna have a bad time
[23:16] <confuzled> i used the ip that the computer was assigning the device already, i need to just choose a new ip
[23:16] <confuzled> my dongle should be here monday
[23:16] <thogue> if there are two interfaces with the same address ON the network, you will IP conflict,,,, and again bad times :P
[23:16] <thogue> Yeah choose something that you know isnt in use on your network
[23:17] <thogue> if anything just try to ping a random ip on your network from your desktop
[23:17] <thogue> ie if your are 192.168.0.XXX
[23:17] <thogue> ping see if its in use
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[23:17] <thogue> most likely it will be outside the dhcp scop of your home network. There isnt a section to have the wireless device configure its address automatically VIA dhcp ?
[23:17] <confuzled> is there an atv2/3 clone or just aptv1 (xtv)
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[23:18] <confuzled> no there is not
[23:18] <thogue> not sure.
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[23:19] <thogue> That seems pretty DERP....
[23:19] <rikkib> add the interface to /etc/network/interfaces
[23:19] <confuzled> man so many projects right now...lol
[23:19] <thogue> yeah rikkib he doesnt have access besides to xmbc apparently
[23:19] <thogue> which you cant drop a shell on the rpi versions
[23:19] <rikkib> without you will have no route to host
[23:19] <thogue> (last time I checked)
[23:19] <confuzled> i can edit the file then reboot thogh
[23:19] <confuzled> right>?
[23:19] <thogue> yeah thats what I was suggesting in the first place...
[23:19] <thogue> connect via wire
[23:19] <thogue> filly configure
[23:20] <thogue> and test
[23:20] <thogue> reboot
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[23:20] <thogue> test
[23:20] <thogue> then go plug in
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[23:20] <confuzled> lol...oh i thought oyu meant each use
[23:20] <confuzled> lol
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[23:20] <rikkib> does bmc not have a ctl/alt f1 console
[23:20] <thogue> I have several raspberry Pi's that roam between home/work/family houses
[23:20] <thogue> rikkib: there is only one console on the rpis I believe
[23:20] <thogue> (default)
[23:21] <confuzled> and how do you access that
[23:21] <rikkib> You can have multiple consoles on mutliple devices in Linux
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[23:21] <thogue> Yes I know.
[23:22] <thogue> rpian, and the other disros do not come with that setup, I believe one of the main reasons for the removal was speed/system usage etc.
[23:24] <thogue> Goodluck confuzled if anything check over at the rpi forums, there are lots of step by steps over there
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[23:27] <confuzled> thanks
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