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IRC Log for 2013-01-12

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[0:08] <nextime> hello all.
[0:09] <nextime> i'm investigating to use an rpi to build a device that will have to drive a relay and it will need an usb wifi dongle
[0:10] <nextime> as i have strict space constrain, i'm searching a very compact power supply to vconvert 230AC -> 5VDC
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[0:10] <nextime> how is the minimal amperage i can consider to to those things in you opinion?
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[0:11] <nextime> ( also, can 900mA be enough to power the rpi + the wifi?
[0:11] <nextime> )
[0:11] <skope> is that true that there's 10A relay in the rpi?
[0:12] <double-you> not sure, I've seen wifi adapters between 100 and 500 mA
[0:12] <nextime> double-you : yes, but many of them can set power to a low 100mA
[0:13] <xrosnight> double-you: how did you measure it ?
[0:13] <scummos> skope: 10A ... relay?
[0:13] <pksato> gpio can not drive relay coil direct.
[0:13] <nextime> skope : i will put a 16A one
[0:13] <nextime> :D
[0:13] <skope> scummos: yes, relay
[0:14] <scummos> why would it have that
[0:14] <nextime> anyway
[0:14] <scummos> why would it have a relay at all?
[0:14] <double-you> I have a similar problem and been looking for adapters about 16 hours on the internet ;)
[0:14] <scummos> I don't think it has one, which part should that be on the board
[0:14] <scummos> also did you hear it clicking, I didn't ;p
[0:14] <skope> i think i read somewhere that it has. but i guess i can use pins to give signal to external relay if needed
[0:14] <nextime> i'm reading the rpi model B needs 3.5W, so, 900mA shoul be enough to power both
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[0:15] <scummos> skope: you can look at the schematics if you really want. but you can also look at the board and see that there's no part there which could be a relay
[0:15] <nextime> skope: there are no relays on the rpi, you CAN add a relay and drive it on a GPIO
[0:15] <nextime> and it is what i'm doing
[0:15] <skope> scummos: true.
[0:15] <skope> nextime: yeah, that's what i thought of doing
[0:16] <pksato> sheach for shields for arduino.
[0:16] <skope> no idea yet what for though :)
[0:16] <nextime> also
[0:16] <skope> lights maybe
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[0:16] <nextime> the usb on the rpi is just 100mA max, it isn't?
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[0:18] <shiftplusone> pi won't take 900mA, btw.
[0:18] <shiftplusone> actually I should check the polufse datasheet before making that claim, but I am pretty sure it trips at 750mA
[0:18] <nextime> so, 3.5W at 5V are 400mA
[0:18] <pksato> usb ports on REV1 have polyfuses limiting @140mA
[0:18] <pksato> REV2 dont have.
[0:18] <nextime> shiftplusone : 750mA fully loaded with usb ports i imagine
[0:19] <nextime> as somewhere i found claiming 3.5W
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[0:19] <nextime> and 3.5W at 5V are 400mA
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[0:19] <shiftplusone> I haven't been following the convo, so I am not sure what this is even about... so i'll let myself out >.>
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[0:20] <nextime> ops
[0:20] <nextime> wrong
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[0:20] <nextime> 3.5 are 700mA sorry
[0:20] <nextime> anyway
[0:20] <nextime> i have 200 more mA on my power supply
[0:20] <nextime> and 200mA should be enough to power the wifi
[0:23] * Torikun ordered his third pie today
[0:23] <skope> apple pie
[0:23] <TAFB> congrats :)
[0:23] <TAFB> how's mine workin for ya :)
[0:23] <Torikun> ty TAFB
[0:23] <Torikun> filesystem corruption
[0:23] <Torikun> lost my database
[0:23] <double-you> nextime: I can only refer to http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters
[0:23] <Torikun> had to restore from backup today
[0:23] <TAFB> oh damn! on that 16gb card I gave ya?
[0:24] <Torikun> no, i have that with a copy of the OS for backups
[0:24] <nextime> i will use that one: http://it.farnell.com/element14/wipi/dongle-wifi-usb-for-raspberry-pi/dp/2133900
[0:24] <TAFB> ahhh nice
[0:24] <Torikun> MIght have to switch to your card now lol
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[0:24] <TAFB> yeah, the card I gave ya is supposed to be pro level card, extra reliable (so says canon) :)
[0:25] <Torikun> lol
[0:25] <Torikun> =)
[0:25] <pksato> http://www.susa.net/wordpress/2012/06/raspberry-pi-relay-using-gpio/
[0:25] <Torikun> Sucks when you do a reboot remotely and it does not come back up lol
[0:25] * rikkib only has solid core cat5e cable and has run out of patch cables... Guess it will have to do... Now where is my compression tool and rj45 connectors.
[0:25] <xzr> well
[0:25] <xzr> it's easy with the pi
[0:25] <TAFB> pksato: I want to make a fireworks controller that runs on the I2C bus or whatever, need to control about 250 relays :)
[0:25] <xzr> but when the server you're rebooting is across the ocean
[0:26] <xzr> you start to get sweaty
[0:26] <pksato> http://raspberrypihobbyist.blogspot.com.br/2012/10/revision-to-relay-circuit.html
[0:26] <xzr> :D
[0:26] <Torikun> lol @ xzr
[0:26] <pksato> 250?
[0:26] <TAFB> Torikun: I'm mounting a Pi, up in a tree, on solar power!!! Be interesting to see how it does
[0:26] <Torikun> Take pics TAFB =)
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[0:27] <Torikun> Blog about it on my site =)
[0:27] <TAFB> will do, I'm just waiting for the solar panel and batteries to arrive :)
[0:27] <dr_willis> If you hook your batteries up backwards to a solar panel... do they glow?
[0:27] <dr_willis> ;P
[0:27] <TAFB> lol
[0:28] <TAFB> the solar panel can put out 4.2amps at 5v in full sun, so it should keep the Pi and batteries topped up for great runtimes, even with a string of crappy weather.
[0:29] <TAFB> I've got 27,200mah of battery power, but unsure how long that'll run the Pi + USB WiFi + webcam for :)
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[0:29] <pksato> TAFB: you need 16 of this https://www.adafruit.com/products/732
[0:29] <double-you> TAFB: I doubt that any solar panel can do this without electronics
[0:29] <Gordio> 27A/h? O_O
[0:29] <Gordio> TAFB, show battery image :D
[0:30] <dr_willis> I got a battery for my Cellphone that says its 12000mAh@3.7V 44.4Wh
[0:30] <TAFB> double-you: what do you mean, without electronics? They have regulated 5v output each (1.1 amps), four of them together :)
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[0:30] <TAFB> Gordio: It's running on 8 of these batteries: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/10pcs-Panasonic-3-6V-3400mAh-NCR18650B-18650-Li-ion-Battery-Made-In-JAPAN-New-/221175245553?pt=US_Rechargeable_Batteries&hash=item337f126af1
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[0:31] <TAFB> four of those batteries are in two of these devices: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-USB-5V-2A-Mobile-Power-Supply-18650-Battery-Charger-box-iphone-4s-5-/170922278103?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item27cbc2fcd7
[0:31] <Torikun> what will your pi do at night time then TAFB
[0:31] <Torikun> it will die right
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[0:31] <Gordio> Oh... :) And 8 beateries connect paralel?
[0:31] <TAFB> they accept the 5v from the solar panels and charge the batteries, and when the fun goes down, it switches to battery power
[0:31] <TAFB> Gordio: yeppers :)
[0:31] <Torikun> Nice
[0:31] <Torikun> how much are the solar panels
[0:31] <double-you> TAFB: without voltage peaks or other distortion? ;)
[0:31] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[0:32] <TAFB> My super crazy solar panel is $200, fully regulated 5v output ;)
[0:32] <Torikun> lol
[0:32] <Torikun> dam
[0:32] <Torikun> why spend all this
[0:32] <TAFB> http://imageshack.us/a/img708/8146/img4167eg.jpg
[0:32] <double-you> hehe ok
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[0:33] <TAFB> Torikun: I'm setting up a proof of concept system for the local police agency. They need to power and monitor some cameras remotely over cellular network.
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[0:34] <dr_willis> Video monitoring the local house of.. err... ladies.. ;)
[0:35] <shapr> TAFB: nice!
[0:35] <TAFB> rofl
[0:35] <pksato> 16 relays http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X6PgYaegz0
[0:35] <double-you> my 50 watts solar panel can't do 500mA during the day
[0:35] <shapr> TAFB: Have you considered supercaps instead?
[0:35] <TAFB> shapr: I have not, got a link? I need massive backup power in case we get bad weather for a few days in a row :)
[0:36] <shapr> Ok, batteries are a better choice.
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[0:36] <shapr> I don't know the leakage over time of supercapacitors, but it's definitely greater than that of batteries.
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[0:36] <TAFB> yeah, those panasonic 3400mah 18650's are absolute MONSTERS for power for their size! Easily put out over 3400mah every time too :)
[0:36] <shapr> The advantage is that supercaps don't lose capacity.
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[0:37] <TAFB> yeah, these will only be installed for around a month at a time, so technically 30 charge/discharge cycles :)
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[0:38] <TAFB> pksato: thanks for the link, looks exactly like what I need! THANKS!
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[0:44] <shapr> TAFB: Won't cell phone data be very slow? Unless you have 4G?
[0:45] <Serano> HSDAP+ is pretty fast tbh
[0:45] <TAFB> shapr: We have LTE here? 70mbps download and 20mbps upload.
[0:45] <shapr> oh!
[0:45] <Serano> hsdpa+
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[0:46] <TAFB> and kinda unrelated, but I upgraded my ISP account today to the 175mbps package! woot! http://www.speedtest.net/result/2429595216.png
[0:46] <TAFB> they say they will have 300mbps in the next few months :)
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[0:47] <skope> i have only 24/1. the best i can get
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[0:47] <TAFB> yikes
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[0:48] <skope> but atleast it's stable. i had 100/5 cable in my previous apartment and it disconnected once every few hours
[0:49] <TAFB> skope: I was having that problem too, and they came and ran a new cable from my house to the box at the end of the street, and it's been rock solid ever since! I had 31 days uptime prior to me having to reboot it today to activate the new speed package
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[0:51] <skope> TAFB: i had decibels measured from the socket, switched router few times and tried with different hardware, but still the same. guess there was something further
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[0:52] <skope> TAFB: i wasn't the only one with that behavior in the neighbourhood
[0:52] <TAFB> sucky
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[0:53] <skope> TAFB: but cable is always cable. i prefer adsl because of it's stability
[0:54] <TAFB> here it was the opposite, I had DSL and it always up and down :( http://www.speedtest.net/result/1747705636.png
[0:54] <skope> TAFB: but i have 24/1 and dslam is so far away that i get basically 14/1, so meh
[0:54] <TAFB> i loved the fast upload speed, but I just couldn't take it anymore and canceled it :(
[0:55] <skope> i would kill for a fiber
[0:55] <skope> 100/100 thank you
[0:55] <TAFB> my friend just moved here: http://www.greenlightnc.com/about/internet/
[0:55] <TAFB> Wilson, NC
[0:55] <TAFB> insane fast speeds, unlimited bandwidth
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[0:56] <skope> i've never got limited bandwidths
[0:56] <skope> we in finland never have limits
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[0:56] <skope> not in mobile broadband or ordinary
[0:57] <TAFB> nice! I only get 360gb/month, then my ISP charges me extra. I usually do around 3TB a month, so my bill is always $100/mo higher :(
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[0:57] * Gordio can have only 64KBit/s
[0:58] <TAFB> Gordio needs to move
[0:58] <Gordio> True; :)
[0:58] <skope> i have 2M mobile broadband with no limit and then that adsl
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[0:59] <Serano> 120/5 and i can download between 500GB-1.2TB depending on when I download
[0:59] <skope> but back to topic, i was surprised that rpi played 1080p flawless
[1:00] <skope> speaking of limits. i had german virtual server with 5T monthly bandwith. apparently isp got frustrated for me almost using that limit every month and accused me of having child porn in the server
[1:00] <skope> there never was anything, but they didn't want to argue with me
[1:01] <skope> and wiped the server without chance of making up-to-date backups
[1:01] <IT_Sean> :o
[1:01] <Serano> well if it was a big vps provider i'm surprised by that, because that is more or less buying a professional service
[1:02] <skope> Serano: it was pretty big. but not continuing my contract there anymore. mostly good service, but that was too much
[1:02] <Serano> i have my dedicated server now with hetzner. Pretty low price for a 100Mbit with 10TB outgoing
[1:02] <Serano> and they have never complained so far.
[1:04] <skope> i have mine at edis gmbh
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[1:05] <Serano> the bargain was too good for me. I was paying 39 euros for 512 2cpu vps for over 4 years. Had this i7 2600K 32GB and 2x3TB RAID 0 for 59
[1:06] <Serano> the downside was moving from holland to germany for hosting since the peering between BE-NL is better than with DE
[1:06] <Serano> but overall happy with it
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[1:07] <Serano> and it has a direct line with my Pi xD
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[1:08] <skope> i should sleep. 2am
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[1:08] <Serano> hehe goodnight skope, see you around
[1:08] <skope> Serano: i said that i should, not that i would
[1:09] <Aranel> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd: error while loading shared libraries: libvcos.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[1:09] <Aranel> where does it look for libvcos.so by default?
[1:09] <skope> maybe i will setup my arch again. deleted wrong partition when installing raspbian to sd card
[1:09] <Aranel> it was working okay 10 minutes ago, now it suddenly not working for www-data, but works for pi.
[1:09] <TomWij> Aranel: LD_LIBRARY_PATH should contain /opt/vc/lib I believe
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[1:10] <Aranel> TomWij: could I give that to a user without bashrc?
[1:10] <shiftplusone> Aranel, are you running arch?
[1:10] <Aranel> shiftplusone: nope, Raspbmc
[1:11] <Aranel> as an headless server :)
[1:11] <shiftplusone> I guess it's the same error anyway. Yeah, just make sure that variable is set. Currently there's a bug in glibc which prevents ld.so.cache from being used properly.
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[1:12] <shiftplusone> Seems to be linaro's fault, but the bug is not present in the version of libc that raspbian is using.
[1:12] <Aranel> thing is, that variable isn't set for user 'pi' but it works, but for some reason it doesn't for 'www-data'
[1:12] <shiftplusone> ....really? O_o
[1:13] <Aranel> can I set it for an user without bashrc? It runs the calls as sudo -u www-data /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd
[1:13] <shiftplusone> if you type echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH as user pi you don't see anything?
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[1:13] <Aranel> shiftplusone: a blank line
[1:13] <shiftplusone> you can sudo LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib whatevercommand and that should work
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[1:14] <shiftplusone> actually, that doesn't seem to work =/
[1:14] <shiftplusone> hm
[1:14] <Aranel> it prints the "usage" output, thinks I don't know how to use sudo
[1:15] <shiftplusone> I am just curious how raspbmc got around the bug =/
[1:15] <Aranel> it's weird that pi and www-data both don't have that line but pi works, and www-data worked 10 mins ago, but not now.
[1:16] <shiftplusone> can you check which version of libc raspbmc is using?
[1:17] <shiftplusone> (ldd --version) should do it
[1:17] <Aranel> ldd (Debian EGLIBC 2.13-35) 2.13
[1:17] <skope> is there any major tweaks in raspbian compared to pure debian?
[1:17] <shiftplusone> skope, just compiled in a way that's optimized for the pi hardware.
[1:18] <shiftplusone> hardfloat and all that
[1:18] <shiftplusone> Aranel, ah ok, then it's not caused by the bug I was talking about, that version is unaffected.
[1:18] <skope> shiftplusone: okay. maybe i will stick with raspbian then and remove all the bloat
[1:18] <shiftplusone> actually i lied, that's exactly the version that's not working, my mistake
[1:19] <shiftplusone> skope, you can start with a minimal image or bootstrap a clean one if you know what you're doing.
[1:19] <skope> shiftplusone: clean one would be nice. just install what i need
[1:20] * rikkib another Raspberry Pi lives...
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[1:20] <shiftplusone> Id you don't know how to bootstrap and prepare you own sd card, you can just use this image http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[1:20] <shiftplusone> (and follow the steps on the page)
[1:20] <rikkib> Took long enough for the sd card to aarive...
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[1:23] <skope> shiftplusone: thank you for the guidance. i will look that up
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[1:29] <Aranel> shiftplusone: got it, kind of nasty workaround
[1:30] <Aranel> shiftplusone: located libvcos.so and it's some friends, then ln -s libvcos.so to /usr/lib
[1:30] <shiftplusone> yup
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[1:30] <shiftplusone> that's the recommended solution by raspbmc, yeah
[1:31] <Aranel> shiftplusone: guess I'll never know why it was working all the time and why it doesn't anymore :)
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[1:32] <shiftplusone> I am really curious as to how it works for the 'pi' user in the first place
[1:32] <Aranel> honestly, I don't have any clue, It "just works" :)
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[1:48] <linuxstb> Aranel: It should work because /etc/ld.so.conf contains /opt/vc/lib/ (at least it does on Raspbian, via an include)
[1:49] <Aranel> linuxstb: and so why it wouldn't on other user? (www-data)
[1:50] <linuxstb> Aranel: Sorry, I haven't read all the backlog. You're saying it works for the Pi user, but not www-data?
[1:50] <Aranel> linuxstb: yes, it works for user "pi" but doesn't for "www-data"
[1:51] <Aranel> linuxstb: worked it around by ln -s /opt/vc/lib/libvcos.so /usr/lib, for some reason, www-data looks for there
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[1:51] <Aranel> but pi doesn't. and there's no path set on bash.
[1:52] <linuxstb> Seems to work for me.
[1:53] <Aranel> linuxstb: it was working for me too, then it suddenly stopped. I wasn't even using my pi.
[1:54] <linuxstb> Have you tried re-running ldconfig (as root) ?
[1:55] <Aranel> linuxstb: didn't. but now worked it around with symbolic links, so I won't know even if it starts working again or not :)
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[1:55] <shiftplusone> linuxstb, https://bugs.launchpad.net/raspbian/+bug/1051459 This affects archlinux right now.
[1:57] <shiftplusone> linuxstb, I am told this affects pretty much all HF arm linux builds actually. Raspbian is using an older version of libc that is unaffected, it seems. Even when ldconfid -p finds the libs, the issue still occurs. I am not sure if that's the issue in Arnel's case though.
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[2:05] <sraue> i would prefer if broadcom uses /usr/lib|bin|include as the default location and or at least /usr/local/lib|bin|include (to not mess with the packagemanagers) /opt is for statically linked binarys and applications regarding FHS
[2:05] <sraue> http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_2.3/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES
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[2:06] <UnaClocker> Yo
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[2:22] * Gordio can't start Ras.PI with 1GHz. (No overvoltage)
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[2:29] <Serano> if mine is overclocked even only to modest it boots or boots not randomly
[2:29] <Serano> :/
[2:29] <mobi> whats your gpu/cpu split?
[2:30] <UnaClocker> I've had mine up to 1.15GHz. ;)
[2:30] <UnaClocker> Just before my SD got corrupted.
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[2:31] * rikkib wooot Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #352 PREEMPT Wed Jan 9 17:16:53 GMT 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux Finally enough resources to run the current kernel. All my sd cards got used up with cam systems running old kernels.
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[2:32] <Gordio> core_freq=350
[2:32] <Gordio> sdram_freq=450
[2:33] <Gordio> arm_freq=900 - fine, arm_freq=1000 - fail (CPU instuction or some error)
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[4:18] <Torikun> yo
[4:18] <dniMretsaM> hey Torikun
[4:18] <Torikun> hyou doing dniMretsaM
[4:18] <dniMretsaM> pretty good. you?
[4:18] <Torikun> god
[4:18] <Torikun> good
[4:18] <Torikun> Just resetup my PI server
[4:18] <Torikun> you?
[4:19] <dniMretsaM> sitting around. doing nothing.
[4:19] <dniMretsaM> might hook up my Pi to the TV and do some stuff
[4:19] <Torikun> watching my daughter play call of duty lol
[4:19] <Torikun> I used to do that
[4:20] <Torikun> Pi was too slow for a media center
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[4:20] <Torikun> My daughter uses her pi as a computer on her tv and media center lol
[4:20] <Serano> Torikun mediacenter works perfectly fine
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[4:21] <Torikun> seems more stable using omxplayer on ArchLinux than my results with xbmc and openelec
[4:21] <Torikun> maybe it is more stable now
[4:21] <dniMretsaM> I haven't tried raspbmc
[4:21] <Serano> i've wrapped up some python around omxplayer with a webinterfave and with my iphone/ipad/ any other device i have control over volume
[4:21] <Serano> which movie
[4:22] <Torikun> nice
[4:22] <Serano> so basicly only starting up the pi without loading in
[4:22] <dniMretsaM> that's cool, Serano
[4:22] <Serano> with ssh or python
[4:22] <Serano> u can just start the movie
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[4:23] <Torikun> i hate when the keyboard stops working after the movie was played
[4:23] <Serano> i have nothing but an ethernetcable connected and hdmi
[4:24] <Serano> mounted samba share from the nas
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[4:34] <UnaClocker> Doesn't XBMC have a web interface you can enable? I think I saw the option in the menu's..
[4:34] <UnaClocker> My Pi's only have HDMI/ethernet connected as well, but I use CEC to control XBMC through the TV.. :)
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[4:52] <Hodapp> UnaClocker: did that work fairly well?
[4:53] <UnaClocker> The web interface? Never used it. The CEC controls, LOVE it.. Use it on two of my TV's. One I didn't even know had CEC before I plugged the Pi into it, and it's a fairly old plasma TV..
[5:01] <Hodapp> I meant the CEC controls :P
[5:02] <dr_willis> there like 2 differnt web interfaces i recall
[5:02] <dr_willis> since the web intface has a plugin options
[5:02] <dr_willis> been using the ajax web interface to do stuff - seems to work well
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[5:10] <Hodapp> I need to pick up that TSOP chip and put an IR receiver on my Pi
[5:10] <Hodapp> I probably have some remote controls floating around I can use
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[5:42] <UnaClocker> TAFB: Yo.
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[6:48] <UnaClocker> Quiet in here tonight..
[6:49] <UnaClocker> I wish my lapdock adapters would get here, I want my Raspberry Pi laptop.. :)
[6:49] <dniMretsaM> very quiet, UnaClocker
[6:49] <miyo> it's mid-day here :P
[6:50] <dniMretsaM> it's 00:49 where I am
[6:50] <dr_willis> 1 am here
[6:50] <ParkerR_> UnaClocker, Oooh it's so nice
[6:50] <dr_willis> i dont even know what i would do with a Pi Laptop ;)
[6:50] <ParkerR_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc1-kOtgdVw UnaClocker
[6:50] <dr_willis> im using my phone for irc/surfing/stuff and i can ssh into my pi
[6:50] <dniMretsaM> I wanted to build a Pi laptop using an e-paper screen
[6:51] <dr_willis> i still havent seen any e-paper monitors.
[6:51] <UnaClocker> ParkerR_: hehe, you desoldered the composite video connector too.. ;)
[6:51] <dr_willis> got a Kindle Paperwhite the other day finally foind them at the stores
[6:51] <ParkerR_> :)
[6:51] <ParkerR_> UnaClocker, Never use it
[6:51] <ParkerR_> So I was like
[6:52] <dniMretsaM> dr_willis: that's the problem
[6:52] <UnaClocker> Yeah..
[6:52] <ParkerR_> Plop it's gone
[6:52] <dniMretsaM> the idea was something I could use for coding and not have any eyestrain or whatever.
[6:52] <dr_willis> i did see some mod/hack to get a terminal/shell on a kindle into a pi. but it seemed sort of a bother
[6:52] <dniMretsaM> and it would have just been a cool project
[6:52] <dr_willis> but it usedd the kindle keybord.
[6:52] <UnaClocker> Ahh, it's got sound? Cool, I had read that it didn't.. Bad sound is better than no sound.
[6:53] <ParkerR_> UnaClocker, Yeah. Tinny but it works
[6:53] <dniMretsaM> the Kindleberry Pi seemed like way more trouble than it was worth. also, it had no color (for syntax highlighting)
[6:54] <ParkerR_> Umm
[6:54] <ParkerR_> Obvious no color
[6:54] <dr_willis> ;)
[6:54] <ParkerR_> It's a black and white e-ink screen :P
[6:54] <dniMretsaM> hopefully I'll be able to get my hands on a color epaper screen and a driver board sometime soon
[6:54] <dr_willis> grey is a color!
[6:54] <dniMretsaM> ParkerR_: there are color epaper screens
[6:55] <ParkerR_> I know
[6:55] <dr_willis> cant say ive ever seen a color eink display
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[6:55] <dniMretsaM> but as I found out, not available to hobbiests...
[6:55] <dr_willis> then again the only ones ive seen are on the book readers
[6:56] <dniMretsaM> since the technology is apparently in such high demand, the companies that make them like E-Ink, LG Display, etc. don't want to talk unless you have millions to spend
[6:57] <dniMretsaM> which I obviously don't, lol
[6:57] <UnaClocker> There's always the Sharp memory display.. Not quite as good as e-ink, but close..
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[6:59] <dniMretsaM> UnaClocker: well, the idea was for something that didn't use LCD. but those are cool displays
[6:59] <cellofellow> what applications or settings are needed to play XviD or H.264 video on a Pi with the hardware acceleration?
[6:59] <cellofellow> I'm using Raspbian, btw.
[6:59] <cellofellow> I know for VC-1 and MPEG2 a license key is needed but I'm not so concerned about that atm.
[7:00] <ParkerR_> cellofellow, omxplayer
[7:00] <ParkerR_> Or XBMC if you can get it running
[7:00] <cellofellow> omxplayer, ok.
[7:01] <UnaClocker> I just have the RaspBMC distro installed on an old spare 2gb SD Card..
[7:01] <cellofellow> Now, I see a lot of talk about the H.264 support, but xvid is supported too, right?
[7:01] <UnaClocker> Easiest way to run XBMC on the Pi..
[7:01] <UnaClocker> xvid is h.264
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[7:01] <cellofellow> UnaClocker: uh, no
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[7:03] <cellofellow> xvid is mpeg 4 part 2, a format far inferior to MPEG 4 Part 10 (that's the ISO designation for the ITU's H.264)
[7:03] <cellofellow> But, it's still popular.
[7:04] <UnaClocker> Well I have a ton of video labeled xvid, around 700mb in size per movie, and they all play fine on the Pi.. So it's apparently close enough to h.264 to be hardware decoded.
[7:04] <UnaClocker> All old SD stuff..
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[7:05] <_yac_> xvid is still mpeg4 even if its a more "basic" type of mpeg4. so most decoders will happily decode that stuff(exceptions apply, such as GMC)
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[7:20] <mythril> I have 2 raspberry pis with the edimax wifi nib, they worked fine until 3 days ago, now the wifi immediately disconnects after acquiring an IP
[7:20] <mythril> any tips on how to fix?
[7:21] <ParkerR_> Hmm
[7:21] <ParkerR_> Anything in dmesg? (Just run "dmesg" and see if it says anything at the end
[7:21] <ParkerR_> )
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[7:22] <mythril> no, hmm
[7:22] <mythril> I'm thinking it might be my router, gonna reboot it bbiam
[7:22] <[deXter]> So *both* the Pi's disconnect immediately
[7:22] <[deXter]> ?
[7:23] <mythril> [deXter]: yeah
[7:23] <[deXter]> Yeah, it's definitely a router issue - had the same issue with my Linux laptop
[7:23] <[deXter]> Eventually ended up replacing the router, everything fixed
[7:23] <mythril> bbiam, checking
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[7:28] <mythril> when in doubt reboot
[7:30] <[deXter]> :)
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[7:32] <lickalott> hello all. I have an SD card that i formatted for raspbian using the win32diskimager. I upgraded the SD card and want to use the old one for something but it's only showing 78mb usable with 7.x GB unallocated. windows doesn't want to do anything with it. is gparted my best option?
[7:32] <ParkerR_> lickalott, What are you wanting to do with the old card?
[7:37] <mythril> is anyone here running xrdp and have the clipboard working?
[7:41] <UnaClocker> lickalott: I assume you want to use it in windows again? There's a disk management tool somewhere under admin tools in Windows..
[7:41] <UnaClocker> You need to remove the old linux partition, and the small FAT32 partition, so you can create one windows friendly partition..
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[8:05] <bonks> Anyone know of a 4+ port usb charger that supports at least 700mA for each port? Or 2800mA total, to run 4 pi's?
[8:06] <[deXter]> bonks, Targus
[8:06] <ParkerR_> Hmm
[8:06] <[deXter]> It's a 7port, comes with a 3500Amp charger
[8:06] <[deXter]> or was it 3200A
[8:06] <ParkerR_> 700mAh is almsot what the B pulls just by itself
[8:06] <bonks> ParkerR_: Yeah, isn't that currently the max?
[8:07] <ParkerR_> Min
[8:07] <ParkerR_> More if you have USB devices attached to the Pi's
[8:07] <bonks> Oh. Well each will have a wifi dongle and another self powered device
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[8:07] <bonks> How much power might I need?
[8:08] <ParkerR_> Yeah you will definitely need more than 700mAh per
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[8:08] <ParkerR_> Honestly upwards of maybe (maybe) 1.2A
[8:08] <bonks> It's been ahrd to find a many port charger to handle lots of power
[8:08] <ParkerR_> Not completely sure
[8:09] <[deXter]> I would also say at least 1.2A
[8:09] <bonks> Ok so I'm looking for at least 4 port with abotu 5A :/
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[8:16] <bonks> I might just get individual wall chargers
[8:16] <ParkerR_> Might be the better way to go
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[8:19] <bonks> What are you guys using for 1.2A? Newark doesn't have anythign more than 1A
[8:20] <[deXter]> bonks, I purchased a 1.5A high efficiency switching mode adapter from a local electronics store..
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[8:22] <dr_willis> i got some wal chargers that say they can do 2A
[8:23] <dr_willis> i got my main pi running from a powered usb hub howevver.
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[8:25] <[deXter]> Also
[8:25] <[deXter]> You could get an iPad 4 charger
[8:26] <[deXter]> Its 2.5A
[8:26] <[deXter]> @ bonks
[8:26] <bonks> Looking now
[8:28] <[deXter]> (look for the 12W one, not the 5W version)
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[8:30] <Pickley> I use a Nexus 7 charger, its 2A
[8:30] <bonks> Darn I use that for my nexus though :P
[8:32] <dr_willis> yep
[8:32] <Pickley> Any decent tablet charger now is about 2A
[8:32] <Pickley> :P
[8:32] <dr_willis> I use my Kindle Fire charger
[8:33] <dr_willis> i found some travelocity brand chargers at a clearance sale for $8 they say 2A
[8:33] <dr_willis> got several. one has broken allready
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[8:34] <bonks> I might end up checking Fry's for some cheap ones, since I need a few
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[8:35] <dr_willis> yep. i need to head there some time also
[8:35] <bonks> Gosh battery packs with 4 ports can do 12A
[8:35] <dr_willis> These were at 'big lots'
[8:35] <dr_willis> I got a battery pack with 2 USB one does 1A one does 2A
[8:36] <dr_willis> says its 44Wh - but im not sure how many W's the pi uses
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[8:36] <bonks> Hmm I wonder if I could use a battery pack and leave it connected to the wall at the same time
[8:36] <bonks> This way it could also work as a UPS
[8:37] <bonks> Probably a bad idea since it's made for on-the-go situations
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[8:37] <Xark> bonks: The ones I have don't give USB power while plugged in (which kind of sucks).
[8:38] <dr_willis> bonks: i was wondering that also. :) i fugured it would help clean up any power spikes and stuff.. but im running from a powered usb hub as a test case.. and the pi is running fine
[8:38] <dr_willis> its ran for 4 days now
[8:39] <bonks> Nice. I don't thikn any of my usb hubs have the "fast" charging ports
[8:39] <dr_willis> im just running rasbian in console mode. no overclocking
[8:39] <dr_willis> im not using any fast port. just a normal port
[8:39] <dr_willis> wanted to see if it worked.. and it has for 2 pis now.
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[8:40] <dr_willis> using some Staples Brand powered USB Hub. cost me like $25
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[8:40] <bonks> Lots of them I saw were about 2-3A total, not so much if I want 3+ boards per hub
[8:41] <dr_willis> powering 3 Pis from the same hub. ;) not done that
[8:41] <dr_willis> each pi i have. is powered from its own hub.
[8:41] <dr_willis> i need a little 6 in usb cable to run to my pi from the hub to save clutter.
[8:41] <Tachyon`> http://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/385344_586551301374327_760997128_n.jpg
[8:42] <bonks> Yea, clutter. That's what I'm trying to fix here :D
[8:43] <dr_willis> i need to duct tape the hub and pi and cables into a bigger box.. for a nicer look. )
[8:43] <dr_willis> a Shoe-box pi!
[8:44] <bonks> I can't afford cases for each one. I leave them bare on a table
[8:44] <dr_willis> Stack the USB hd in the bottom. Hub on top.. Pi On top of that...
[8:44] <dr_willis> I made a case from a wooden box i found.
[8:44] <bonks> All they have are 2 standoffs with small binder clips to keep them balanced... since 2 standoffs won't balance!
[8:44] <dr_willis> theres heavy paper xmas boxs on clearance now also
[8:45] <rikkib> Wooden case wouldn't go.
[8:45] <dr_willis> get a stack of Xmas box;s that look like a xmas tree.. stick a pi in each box. ;)
[8:46] <dr_willis> actually i could fit a small self under my desk.. that could hold the pi and its HD/usb
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[8:48] <pecorade> Hi.
[8:49] <dr_willis> howdy
[8:50] <bonks> Figured I'd share pics of my "stands" http://imgur.com/a/r2rcq
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[8:54] <dr_willis> I need a little plastic barn for my Pi.. then i can decorate it with my 'My Little Ponies' collection. ;) and name it 'Apple Pi'
[8:55] <dr_willis> Or Pinkie Pi
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[9:05] <linuxstb> dr_willis: Or Pony Pi?
[9:05] <dr_willis> Flutter Pi
[9:05] <Tachyon`> unless you're a 9 year old girl you shouldn't be naming anything after bloody ponies
[9:06] <dr_willis> Grandkids likes poneys
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[9:06] <dr_willis> They had to put pony stickers on my Pi Case
[9:06] <Tachyon`> ah right
[9:06] <dr_willis> Other option was Angry Bird stickers
[9:07] <Tachyon`> think ponies would win there, doesn't matter how angry they are, they can't compete with a fast moving hoof
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[9:08] <dr_willis> Plus YellowBird, RedBird,BlackBird,,, KingPiggy, are pathic names
[9:08] <dr_willis> and the whole angrybirds marketing has gotten out of hand.
[9:09] <dr_willis> Ponys are getting that way ;)
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[9:10] <dr_willis> how much power would an external usb SSD hd pull compared to a External USB Normal laptop type HD? Less? a lot less?
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[9:15] <[deXter]> dr_willis, a *lot* less
[9:16] <[deXter]> No moving parts = very low power usage
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[9:16] <[deXter]> of course, depends on which SSD we are talking about
[9:17] <dr_willis> yea. looking at upgrading a pc and thought about getting a ssd for my pi on the order also
[9:17] <[deXter]> but even the worst SSD should still have lower usage than an average 2.5" HDD
[9:17] <dr_willis> im using a powered 3Tb usb on it right now. but thats a bit overkill
[9:17] <[deXter]> How big is your video library?
[9:18] <dr_willis> so far.. like 4 external HDS full. :)
[9:18] <[deXter]> heh
[9:18] <dr_willis> ive not downloaded stuff in almost a year. not really much of a need to any more
[9:18] <dr_willis> netflix has anime, and crunchyroll,
[9:18] <dr_willis> you can even find full eps on Youtube with some patience.
[9:19] <[deXter]> true
[9:19] <dr_willis> Not much point in me having every Ep of Naruto if its all on Crunchyroll
[9:19] <dr_willis> not like i will ever have time to watch them a 2nd time
[9:20] <dr_willis> unless i can figure out how to hide at work and watch videos there. ;)
[9:20] <Tachyon`> I wonder if I shuold replace my 20GB 1.8" drive with a 32GB SSD
[9:21] <Tachyon`> althoguh that again leaves me with a drive I shouldn't put swap on
[9:21] <dr_willis> heh - i had a 2GB 1.8 years ago
[9:21] <Tachyon`> ahh, this one is from an old ipod
[9:21] <Tachyon`> just bought a usb adapter board for it
[9:22] <Tachyon`> you've not seen naruto unless you've seen it subbed
[9:22] <Tachyon`> http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/050418.jpg <- as this comic illustrates
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[9:26] <dr_willis> CrunchyRoll stopped workng on my Boxeebox. so now i need a replacement box that cn play it on my TV.
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[9:26] <dr_willis> of coruse my tv has a 'crunchyroll' channel/app but then crunchyroll wants me to subscibe to use it.
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[9:28] <Gallomimia> if it doesn't play on a pi it's not worth watching :P
[9:28] <UnaClocker> If it doesn't play on a Pi, run it through handbrake and convert it.
[9:28] <dr_willis> keep hopeing they get a crunchyroll xbmc plugin sometime
[9:28] <dr_willis> but it will most likely be tagged as (broken)
[9:28] <dr_willis> as it seems most xbmc plugins are
[9:30] <dr_willis> so many shows i want to watch. so little time.
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[9:30] <dr_willis> #1 thing i liked about watching shows on the laptop in a video player was able to speed up shows to like 120% ;) could save me a lot of time, if i read fast enough the sub titles
[9:37] <bonks> So I think I'm going to go with this charger http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Wall-Charger-Outlet-Output/dp/B005CG2ATQ
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[9:37] <bonks> It's 2.1A and the second reviewer uses it for the latest rpi
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[9:40] <UnaClocker> bonks: Looks really nice.
[9:41] <Triffid_Hunter> I have mine running from a 5v 2A tablet charger at the moment, wired straight into P1:4,6
[9:41] <bonks> Yea, but does the usb cable really matter?
[9:41] <bonks> I never knew it could matter but lots of reviews saying it may not work with some tablets because of the cable wiring
[9:42] <dr_willis> heard of some cables using really cheap wires
[9:44] <Tachyon`> cotton and copper dust, lol
[9:44] <Tachyon`> you see headphone cables made of those quite a bit so they don't snap
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[10:33] <uabn93> hi. would it be wise to store media files on the sd card of the pi? im looking to stream audio and torrent with it.
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[10:33] <linuxstb> I wouldn't trust it to be the only copy of those files.
[10:34] <uabn93> i have multiple copies of the music, no worries there.
[10:35] <uabn93> im wondering how long the card would last by streaming through it and not using a usb drive
[10:36] <jacekowski> flash wear is overrated when it comes to normal usage
[10:37] <jacekowski> it's almost impossible to kill sd card, unless you are trying to kill it
[10:37] <uabn93> yeah. the card i have is 32GB, so i want to utilize it even though the write speeds are horrible
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[10:40] <uabn93> jacekowski, by killing you mean constantly writing to it as some do with a webserver right?
[10:40] <jacekowski> no
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[10:41] <jacekowski> you can't really kill it that way
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[10:42] <uabn93> Are there any usage cases for the pi to be weary of for sd damage?
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[10:44] <jacekowski> no
[10:45] <jacekowski> besides, torrents are not doing a lot of write cycles,
[10:45] <jacekowski> all it is doing is writing fairly big chunks of data
[10:47] <uabn93> thanks for your time. i'm almost done with my mpd/transmission setup.
[10:47] <uabn93> hopefully I won't have any trouble with my revision 1 board.
[10:47] <uabn93> trouble with RAM.
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[10:57] <roaster> greetings all
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[11:05] <SgrA> Does the RPi handle class 10 without any problems now?
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[11:08] <Xark> SgrA: In my experience, it "works" with class 10, but for me, class 6 is just as fast and more reliable (perhaps it is just my cards or whatever - SanDisk extreme 16GB class 10 and SanDisk "generic" 8GB class 6).
[11:08] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't had any corruption running class 10 overclocked.
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[11:11] <SgrA> I can run class 4 overclocked without any problems, but I had a corrupted card twice when I tried to overvolt.
[11:11] * Xark has only run stock speed.
[11:11] <roaster> using a class 4 sd :D
[11:12] <roaster> never overclocked though :D
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[11:12] <roaster> then again only been having my raspberry for a few days :D
[11:15] <SgrA> Mine has clocked a few weeks of uptime I believe.
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[11:21] <nextime> sd reliability is a huge concern for me. on a beagleboard-like machine i was using for other things micro-sd was an issue and it get's broken in 1 year of usage, so, i have change to an industrial grade microsd
[11:21] * dw4tkins is now known as dwatkins
[11:22] <nextime> but if i will change the sd of the rpi to an industrial one... it will cost more than the board...
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[11:23] <TAFB> nextime: only have your boot files on SD, have the OS on something USB (i.e. physical hard drive, SSD, etc.) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
[11:23] <TAFB> ^^^ SSD :)
[11:23] <nextime> TAFB : non feasible sadly
[11:23] <TAFB> bummer
[11:24] <TAFB> I have a solar powered Pi, up in a tree, doing lots of read/writes constantly. I don't think I can run a physical hard drive due to the power drain, not sure what to do :(
[11:25] <nextime> if it will show to be not reliable probably i will create an expansion to add an external flash or something like that
[11:25] <nextime> ( basically i have a little db, few megs, where i do a lot of write/read )
[11:26] <TAFB> http://i.imgur.com/a6bEr.jpg
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[11:27] <roaster> what is it doing in a tree?
[11:27] <TAFB> it's recording "motion" from a camera and sending it to police over cellular network
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[11:28] <roaster> ok guess that writing it to some network share is not an option in that case :D
[11:29] <TAFB> roaster: not really ;) I was wondering if there is a way to get it to write directly to FTP server maybe!
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[11:29] <roaster> if you're not concerned about celular data consumption
[11:30] <roaster> try ftpfs
[11:30] <roaster> not sure it'll run on the raspberry though
[11:30] <TAFB> nice! thanks. I will check it out :)
[11:30] <roaster> http://www.linuxnix.com/2011/03/mount-ftp-server-linux.html
[11:31] <roaster> no problem
[11:31] <double-you> TAFB: what if the cellular network gets disconnected?
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[11:32] <roaster> that's something to consider of course in all network drive options :D
[11:32] <TAFB> the cellular network is very flaky, so of course then it would need to store on SD card then transmit stored images once cellular is back up
[11:33] <roaster> can't you conside a solar powered hard drive as well, the ones with an external additional usb power
[11:33] <TAFB> I was thinking about storing the images on ramdrive and using script to upload them via FTP, delete after successful transfer, then would save the read/writes.
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[11:33] <roaster> is your solar power stored in a battery as well?
[11:34] <TAFB> roaster: I have a 4 panel solar array (4.4amps out at 5v full sun), that is the biggest we can use. I dumps power to 27,200mah battery for running the Pi and camera at night.
[11:34] <Triffid_Hunter> TAFB: tmpfs is a swap-backed ramfs, very handy for that sort of thing
[11:34] <TAFB> Triffid_Hunter: ohhhh nice :)
[11:35] <Triffid_Hunter> TAFB: having the kernel itself decide whether to write to disk or keep in ram is awesome, just make sure you do actually delete the files after a while and that you have enough swap for your worst-case scenario
[11:35] <TAFB> yeah, I will make a monster size swap file on the 32gb SD card just in case, thanks for the info! I'll for sure try it.
[11:36] <TAFB> Is there a way to make sure tempfs goes to ram FIRST, and not swap, or it does that automatically?
[11:36] <Triffid_Hunter> TAFB: it does that automatically
[11:36] <TAFB> woot :) spiffy
[11:36] <Triffid_Hunter> TAFB: make sure you have heaps of free ram, tmpfs shows up as disk cache in memory readouts
[11:36] <Triffid_Hunter> so if applications eat the ram, kernel starts dumping to disk
[11:37] <TAFB> ahhh. I will check on memory usage of "motion" and cut down everything else for max free ram.
[11:39] <roaster> set the GPU to minimal ram usage as well :D
[11:40] <roaster> if not already done
[11:40] <TAFB> i set it to 1mb, but seems it still uses 16 ;)
[11:40] <roaster> 16 is the minimum :D
[11:41] <TAFB> bummer ;)
[11:41] <roaster> I need a faster SD card writer! damnit!
[11:41] <TAFB> anyone have a link to the specs of the new model A? Can't seem to find it on rpi.org :(
[11:41] <Triffid_Hunter> I recall an article somewhere about someone who used his video ram as an ultrafast swap file when Xorg wasn't using it via some kernel trickery
[11:41] <TAFB> roaster: you need USB3 card reader ;) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/patriot%2032gb%20class%2010%20SD%20card%20test.png
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[11:42] <roaster> using some cheap stuff I found here in a drawer somewhere :D
[11:43] <TAFB> lol
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[11:43] <roaster> writing at 0.75 MB/s
[11:45] <double-you> is there anybody having a wireless adapter running with more than 7Mbyte/s in local wifi? tell me which adapter you have. :-)
[11:45] <TAFB> 7MB/sec?
[11:45] <roaster> I'm trying to get my edimax nano to work here.. once that's done I'll tell you the speed :D
[11:46] <TAFB> I get about 3MB/sec over Samba: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-09-RaspberryPi_is_finished.jpg
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[11:47] <roaster> SMB is a protocol with a bunch of overhead
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[11:53] <TAFB> no doubt
[11:53] <double-you> I want to make a wifi nas out of my rpi, 2,5 Mbyte/s is min. limit, 6-7 Mbyte/s would be great
[11:54] <roaster> double-you, this guy claims to get more: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=29170&p=256615&hilit=edimax+wheezy#p256615
[11:54] <TAFB> double-you: the Pi SUCKS for NAS. Get a Seagate GoFlex Home instead. Dedicated USB2, dedicated gigabit ethernet, dedicated SATA2, nothing steals from CPU and it just RIPS! :)
[11:55] <roaster> he claims 8 to 10 MB/s
[11:55] <TAFB> I can do 108mb/sec on it (goflex home) :)
[11:55] <roaster> does it do raid 5?
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[11:56] <TAFB> the goflex home? it's a single drive ;)
[11:56] <roaster> ah crap :D
[11:56] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2012-12-23-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_hacked_with_Arch_Linux_Sandisk_SSD.jpg
[11:56] <TAFB> it's runnig this status page: http://tafb.yi.org
[11:56] <TAFB> :)
[11:57] <roaster> I'm looking for a qnap / synology type of NAS with raid5 support, qnap and synalogy are nice devices but pretty expensive for what they really are, so considered building a RPI NAS as well but probably it's not the best device for IO stuff
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[11:57] <roaster> my first RPI project will be some sort of spotify box
[11:58] <TAFB> yeah, i/o is so cpu intensive on the Pi, especially over USB or network because they are all on the same shared USB bus :(
[11:58] <TAFB> I picked up an old Drobo box, not sure what kinda raid it uses, but it's fast :)
[11:58] <roaster> hehe
[11:58] <roaster> currently I have an old pentium 4 running ubuntu with an LVM served through SAMBA
[11:59] <roaster> but it is a power consumer like hell
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[12:01] <mjr> yeah, technically you can do a pi nas, but it won't be fast
[12:02] <dwatkins> The bottleneck with my NAS is the 2 MByte/s homeplug that I have, so an RPi-based NAS would probably be just as fast for me ;)
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[12:02] <roaster> lol dwatkins
[12:03] <double-you> roaster: tell me your speed when you have finished
[12:03] <dwatkins> The machine is a 1.6 GHz Atom netbook, so it doesn't use much power and is beefy enough for what I need.
[12:03] <roaster> double-you, will do, and if I forget just remind me :D
[12:04] <dwatkins> I can play proper 720p media on my RPi but only if I copy it locally, due to the aforementioned bottleneck.
[12:06] <roaster> ok fresh wheezy install....
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[12:12] <clint_westwood> Hi there
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[12:13] <morphles> Anyone knows how to "reset framebuffer"? Suppose I start dosbox or omxplayer from tty, it takes up framebuffer (and afaik you can no longer see any tty without exiting the program), now suppose the program terminates inproperly, or is suspended, it does not rleas framebuffer and I still can not see any tty. How could I reset framebuffer so that I could get back to tty's ?
[12:14] <Ben64> morphles: exit and log back in?
[12:14] <morphles> exit what?
[12:14] <Ben64> you know... exit
[12:15] <morphles> no i dont, I sed i have niproper termination or some other crap
[12:15] <morphles> there is nothing to exit
[12:15] <morphles> or process gets suspended
[12:15] <Ben64> you're logged in.... so log out
[12:15] <roaster> I think he means your entire session :D
[12:15] <morphles> and you cant see anything, only maybe last frame of app stuck
[12:15] <Ben64> like type "exit"
[12:15] <Ben64> or CTRL+D
[12:15] <roaster> or ctrl + d
[12:15] <roaster> :D
[12:15] <morphles> If app is stuck this does not work
[12:16] <Ben64> ctrl+c ctrl+d
[12:16] <Ben64> works all the time
[12:16] <morphles> Ok lets see
[12:16] <roaster> or log in another sessions and kill your "hanging" session
[12:16] <clint_westwood> I have some troubles with my raspbian distribution. i had a system crash after the launch of Gemrb and now i am unable to log to my pi account. I get the message "unable to cd /home/pi";Anyone know if it is it possible to recover my os ?
[12:16] <Ben64> is there an easy way to hook up a bluetooth keyboard in raspbian
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[12:17] <roaster> never played with bluetooth in linux
[12:17] <roaster> wouldn't know :D
[12:17] <Ben64> i have it working on debian, but apparently raspbian is replacing it
[12:17] <morphles> roaster: what other sessions? I can not see any ttys, ctrl+alt does not take back the frambuffer to show tty
[12:17] <morphles> ctrl+c ctrl+d works for certain values but it is stupid
[12:17] <Ben64> ctrl+c ctrl+d is never stupid
[12:17] <morphles> i bet it will not work in multiplexer
[12:17] <morphles> lets see
[12:17] <morphles> yes yes it is
[12:18] <roaster> try ctrl + alt + f3
[12:18] <roaster> I just had my raspberry a few days so still figuring a lot out myself too :D
[12:20] <morphles> roaster: believe my have tried lots of stuff
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[12:20] <roaster> remote session over ethernet?
[12:20] <morphles> and logging out of session is still stupid, besides it seems that after some hicups my pi looses netconcetivity
[12:20] <morphles> nope
[12:21] <Ben64> loses*
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[12:24] <morphles> So it seems I only need to kill the hanging process that uses fb, i guess that is the case since it seems that when its parent exits fb restores
[12:24] <morphles> Now I need some normal solution for this
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[12:25] <morphles> suppose I'll be launching it through some subshell/script with its pid and have a thd bind to terminate by pid
[12:25] <Ben64> morphles: so what do you see on the screen
[12:27] <morphles> Hm it seems I was wrong its only omxplayer that manages to suck in some way, I gues due to utilizing hw decoder
[12:28] <morphles> ie when in omxplayer it seems you can get to other tty but not see anything, then input goes to that tty, and omxplayer does not get any input.... and then you can wonder wtf is going on
[12:28] <Ben64> what
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[12:28] <morphles> does not happen with dosbox though, you can leave dosbox tty and see other ttys normaly
[12:28] <morphles> Ben64: try this:log in into tty1 and tty2
[12:29] <morphles> on tty1 start omxplay with some video
[12:29] <morphles> then pres ctrl alt f2
[12:29] <morphles> then type someting
[12:29] <morphles> then ctrl alt f1 then qutie omxplayer
[12:29] <morphles> then got and see that your keypresses ended up in tty 2
[12:29] <Ben64> yeah, thats normal
[12:30] <morphles> not for me :
[12:31] <morphles> imo it is not normal to see where you are and what you are typing, and for application running not in graphical environment not get input while it is visble, that does not seem like normal
[12:31] <user82> hi. i see that every GPIO pin function is determined by 3 bits. according to datasheet: "The function select registers are used to define the operation of the general-purpose I/O
[12:31] <user82> pins. Each of the 54 GPIO pins has at least two alternative functions as defined in section
[12:31] <user82> 16.2"
[12:31] <Ben64> but it is normal
[12:31] <user82> where do i find what the three bits mean?
[12:32] <user82> section 16.2 is not in the datasheet?
[12:32] <morphles> lets see if mplayer shows video in tty with prop nvidi driver, so that I could test how normal this is :)
[12:33] <user82> oh section 6.2...sorry to ask
[12:35] <Ben64> morphles: you can't compare raspberry pi to your computer
[12:35] <morphles> Nah it seems ai cant test that right now, anyways that does not seem normal at all, esp considering that dosbox does not do that
[12:35] <morphles> Ben64: sure i can :)
[12:35] <morphles> And I can compere dosbox to omxplayer
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[12:35] <morphles> on pi
[12:35] <Ben64> no
[12:35] <morphles> it all because of hw decoder isint it? :)
[12:36] <mjr> Probably. It bypasses the normal linux framebuffer with the playback.
[12:36] <morphles> Most likelly
[12:36] <morphles> using mplayr(ofc video is unwatchable) i can switch between ttys
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[12:37] <morphles> And what is most annying that omxplayer does not seem to have normal suspension ability
[12:37] <Ben64> it's not a car
[12:37] <morphles> its not but most normal applicatiosn can be suspend
[12:37] <morphles> so yeah
[12:38] <Ben64> what do you mean "can be suspend"
[12:38] <morphles> ctrl+z stops application return to shell
[12:38] <Ben64> that works on omxplayer
[12:39] <morphles> OK lets try again, maybe I did not investigate it enough again :(
[12:39] <Ben64> [1]+ Stopped omxplayer
[12:39] <morphles> Not for me
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[12:40] <morphles> I get frame hangin and not seeing anything apart from that frame
[12:40] <Ben64> probably because you can't see behind it
[12:40] <Ben64> :)
[12:40] <morphles> yeah well i really would like to :)
[12:40] <morphles> Ben64: what distribution are you using?
[12:40] <Ben64> use a remote shell
[12:41] <Ben64> currently debian
[12:41] <Xark> Try ^Z and then type "bg" to run the suspended process in the background. If you then later run "fg" you will reconnect.
[12:41] <morphles> Well I use pi instead of my main machine most of the time in recent days, so nowhere to remote from without additional boot up
[12:41] <morphles> Xark: so ill sy video runing and no shell?:)
[12:41] <Ben64> morphles: smartphone?
[12:41] <Xark> morphles: You get a new shell when you ^Z
[12:42] <Ben64> Xark: you can't see behind the video though
[12:42] <morphles> Xark: no you get old shell
[12:42] <Xark> Oh, with video overlay. I see the problem. :)
[12:42] <morphles> :)
[12:42] <Ben64> thats why remote shells are good
[12:42] <Ben64> i have one on my phone
[12:43] <Ben64> one tap and i'm logged in
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[12:43] <morphles> yeah I know that, but I dont really have a smart phone(nor I want one), and I do not want to to boot my main to just "unhang" pi
[12:43] <Ben64> you can "unhang" it from pi
[12:44] <Ben64> nothing you've described is out of the ordinary or unrecoverable from the pi
[12:44] <morphles> Yeah i Understand, but hard to do stuff when you cant see anything :
[12:44] <Ben64> meh typing is easy
[12:44] <morphles> I should connect mini lcd to gipos to show tty and line
[12:44] <morphles> Ben64: if you accidentally switched ttys :)
[12:44] <morphles> not too good
[12:45] <Ben64> how do you accidentally CTRL+ALT+F3 or something
[12:45] <morphles> happens :)
[12:45] <Ben64> you should be able to log in without seeing still
[12:45] <morphles> I often swithch between ttys
[12:45] <morphles> yeas i can doo that
[12:45] <morphles> then you suggest killall omxplayer? :)
[12:45] <Ben64> yeah that'd work
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[12:48] <roaster> I think I would have had gone for the option of taking the power off by now ;)
[12:48] <rolleiflex> hey all
[12:48] <roaster> hi rolleiflex
[12:48] <rolleiflex> does anybody know why sometimes pi seems to "red out"
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[12:48] <rolleiflex> hi roaster
[12:48] <rolleiflex> is it a known problem or is my pi dying :(
[12:48] <roaster> what do you mean with red out?
[12:49] <rolleiflex> no ssh, no access, just the red light working
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[12:49] <rolleiflex> the rest seems frozen
[12:49] <rolleiflex> as far as I can see from the logs after reboot, the OS is frozen too
[12:49] <rolleiflex> no overclock
[12:49] <roaster> maybe your SD card is dying?
[12:49] <rolleiflex> is it likely?
[12:50] <roaster> can happen
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[12:50] <roaster> I'd try to make an image from it and write it to a different SD card and see if you have the same problem
[12:51] <tukkip> anyone using RPI with openvpn ?
[12:51] <rolleiflex> good idea- though compressing images with dd is flaky
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[12:52] <rolleiflex> my card is 16gb with most of it empty, is there a solid way to cut out the empty space?
[12:52] <fayimora> Hey guys my videos don't 'work' on my pi, i'm using xbmc. Basically, i can see the stuff playing but no video and no sound
[12:53] <fayimora> not even sure what's happening. Have had this from day one(4-5weeks) and still can't fix it
[12:53] <roaster> fayimora: you sure you have all the right codecs for your films
[12:54] <roaster> rolleiflex, not sure how to remove empty space
[12:54] <fayimora> roaster: don't know war that means :(
[12:54] <fayimora> the files are all AVIs
[12:54] <double-you> roaster: when do you start with the speed-test? :-)
[12:54] <[deXter]> fayimora, How/what are you using to play the videos?
[12:54] <fayimora> [deXter]: xbmc
[12:55] <roaster> lol double-you not sure what's going on... so far not getting any wlan interface up :S
[12:55] <[deXter]> fayimora, How?
[12:55] <[deXter]> fayimora, I mean xbmc on raspbian or xbmcubuntu or openelec or Arch?
[12:55] <fayimora> Just select them and that's it..not sure i ind the question
[12:55] <fayimora> oh on Raspbian
[12:55] <[deXter]> fayimora, if you're using Raspbian, just use omxplayer.. that's the best
[12:55] <[deXter]> If you want to use XBMC though, use OpenELEC
[12:56] <roaster> what about raspbmc?
[12:56] <[deXter]> not as good
[12:56] <[deXter]> OpenELEC is highly optimised
[12:56] <rolleiflex> thanks roaster
[12:56] <roaster> ah, good to know for next project ;)
[12:57] <roaster> hope it's only the sd card rolleiflex
[12:57] <fayimora> [deXter]: any recommended tut/blog post i should follow to install openELEC?
[12:57] <rolleiflex> it probably is, my pi has been working well for me so far
[12:57] <rolleiflex> it's also a microsd with a sd mount, so lots of points to fail
[12:57] <[deXter]> fayimora, you just have to run the installer that's bundled with it.. extract it and then run ./create_sdcard
[12:58] <rolleiflex> I'll just get a normal sd vard..
[12:58] <[deXter]> err, ./create_sdcard /dev/sdb (assuming sdb is your sdcard)
[12:58] <[deXter]> (assuming you're doing that on a linux PC..)
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[12:58] <roaster> follow openelec's wiki: http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Installing_OpenELEC_on_Raspberry_Pi
[12:58] <fayimora> [deXter]: I'm using a mac
[12:59] <[deXter]> yeah, that should work on a mac
[12:59] <rolleiflex> it's the same
[12:59] <roaster> fayimora, look at the link I pasted, there are mac instructions as well
[12:59] <fayimora> yeah..Thanks guys!!! I appreciate
[13:00] <fayimora> roaster: "Format the sd card in disk utility as msdos"
[13:00] <fayimora> Is openelec not an app?
[13:00] <[deXter]> No, its a distro made specifically for xbmc
[13:00] <fayimora> Oh gosh
[13:00] <fayimora> So i can't use my pi for anything else
[13:00] <roaster> I think that's a step you can skip, you're using dd afterwards anyway
[13:00] <[deXter]> that's why you have other SD cards :)
[13:01] <fayimora> That's why i chose xbmc :(
[13:01] <[deXter]> it just takes a few seconds to boot
[13:01] <[deXter]> you should remember the Pi isn't like your ordinary PC
[13:01] <fayimora> lol continuously swapping cards
[13:01] <[deXter]> If you really love using raspbian and don't want to reboot, just use omxplayer
[13:02] <[deXter]> I mean if you just want something to play your videos without lag
[13:02] <Ben64> the xbmc stuff was laggy last time i tried them
[13:02] <[deXter]> but if you want the whole media centre experience... with tagging, filtering, fanart, library, tv guide, ratings etc.. then openelc is the way to go
[13:03] <fayimora> I guess i have to get a new card then :(
[13:04] <[deXter]> and you're not limited to one RPi either ;)
[13:04] <Ben64> i'm sad mine is 256MB
[13:04] <[deXter]> I use one just as a media center, one as a webserver, one to play around with and do crazy stuff
[13:04] * roaster ordered 2 pi's straight away, I know myself once I have something up I'll be wanting some more stuff :D
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[13:05] <fayimora> [deXter]: Hmmmmm crazy!
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[13:05] <roaster> [deXter], I'll be evolving to some setup like that as well hehe
[13:05] <[deXter]> :)
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[13:11] <user82> is anyone round who programs bare metal?
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[13:12] <roaster> wb [deXter]
[13:13] <roaster> you mean the assembler os?
[13:14] <fayimora> [deXter]: any recommended SD card for OpenELEC
[13:16] <user82> roaster did you mean me?
[13:16] <roaster> yes user82
[13:16] <user82> no i program in c...but without OS
[13:17] <user82> i was just wondering if i could set the registers with this method: uint32_t *a;
[13:17] <user82>
[13:17] <user82> *a=BCM2835_GPIO_BASE+BCM2835_GPFSEL1;
[13:17] <user82> and then *a = *a<<1; for example
[13:17] <user82> to access the register content
[13:17] <roaster> no idea :)
[13:17] <user82> same here..i guess try and error
[13:17] <roaster> guess you're not talking about bare metal os
[13:17] <roaster> :D
[13:18] <user82> not really..i just want no os to delay my program
[13:18] * gordonDrogon waves.
[13:18] <user82> hi Gordio
[13:18] <user82> sorry..too quick gordonDrogon i meant
[13:18] <roaster> ho gordonDrogon
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:18] <Gordio> user82, hi.
[13:19] <Gordio> :)
[13:19] <user82> ho Gordio .. sorry i poked to quick :D
[13:19] <user82> did not want to wake you up
[13:19] <Gordio> user82, I sat HI! :P
[13:19] <roaster> at least one more awake lol
[13:19] <Gordio> *say
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> user82, keep a software copy of the register - not sure if the ARM has read/modify/write instruations for *a = *a | 1<< bit
[13:20] <user82> yep seen it...hi to you
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> or bit-set instructions, rather.
[13:20] <user82> gordonDrogon would my compiler not complain if i write impossible stuff?
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> no
[13:21] <user82> oh ok
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> on the Pi's SoC you write bits into 2 separate registers to set or clear GPIO pins.
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> so its probably not that bad, but you never need to read the register for setting outputs to 1 or 0.
[13:22] <roaster> shouldn't the compiler foresee some more instructions in this case? I'm a software developer but never worked this low level I might be wrong :D
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> some compilers are good - e.g. the GCC AVR compiler will turn *reg = *reg | 1 << bit into a bit-set operation.
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[13:24] <gordonDrogon> just re-reading some of my Pi code - I read the alt-mode register to clear/or-in bits to set the modes for each pin anyway. (3 bits per pin)
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> Each Pi GPIO pin has up to 8 different modes.
[13:24] <Triffid_Hunter> user82: yeah that style is fairly common with bare metal, you can generally do stuff like #define GPFSEL1 *((uint32_t*) (GCM2835_GPIO_BASE + BCM2835_GPFSEL1))) and then use simply with GPFSEL1 <<= 1;
[13:25] <Triffid_Hunter> user82: I haven't looked at bcm2835 or rpi specifically but I do embedded development with other chips and they're all fairly similar
[13:25] * Xark notes there is register bit setting opcodes, but ARM is pretty much strictly load/store with memory.
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> and gpio is memory mapped, so just like memory (but slow)
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[13:27] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Some ARM CPUs have a feature called "bit-band" where they map bytes to GPIO, or bytes to toggle GPIO. Not sure about RPi (I doubt it - older, that is more of a ARM MCU thing I think).
[13:27] <Xark> bit-banding actually...http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dai0179b/CHDJHIDF.html
[13:28] <Xark> gordonDrogon: I think it is not critical, because CPU runs at a multiple of GPIO bus anyways...
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[13:31] <gordonDrogon> yea, gpio on the Pi is just for fun.
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[13:32] <Xark> Pretty much. What nifty projects are you toying with lately?
[13:32] <user82> the pointer thing works..
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[13:55] <user82> can i use the full 256mb in bare metal programs? or is there some internal RAM for the SOC and the rest is external?
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[13:58] <nextime> in bare metal programming without any os probably you can use also more than the 256mb with some hackish code, as you have also buffers of the ethernet mac, the video card and so on
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[13:59] <user82> nextime a friend of mine thinks that there is some less kb internal ram for the SOC i can use and the 256mb is external and not usable very easily
[13:59] <user82> unfortunately i do not really know how to interpret the datasheet on this
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[14:02] <user82> or does the bootloader manage that for me? inluding the external ram in the soc
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> Xark, not enough nifty stuff recently. got some new toys to write about - quick2wire stuff
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> working with 4D displays right now, and adding new features into wiringPi - I2C support and a much improved wait for interrupt thingy.
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[14:23] <gordonDrogon> internal ram? that's new to me, but hey ...
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[14:25] <Saturation> how long will sd-card last on raspberry pi if there is multiple irc-channels that logs constantly? :)
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[14:31] <user82> Saturation serious question or just an idea you had?
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[14:33] <Saturation> serious
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[14:34] <Saturation> I just moved irssi from friends virtual server to my own raspberry pi
[14:35] <Ryanteck> I'm currently compiling PHP packages after having to temporarily host my websites on my Raspberry Pi :3
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> Saturation, probably for the life of the pi.
[14:35] <Ryanteck> It works surprisingly good as a web server
[14:37] <user82> Saturation i think there is no need to worry..text logs are really small
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[14:40] <user82> gordonDrogon do you know about interals i think? is it right that the bootloader maps the complete memory for me as said in this forum post: The MMU (as you see it from ARM space, there's actually a second one that does a GPU memory -> ARM memory mapping, but you mainly don't need to know about that) is not set up, so your memory space is flat from 0x0 to the top of RAM at 0x10000000, then the peripherals are mapped in starting at 0x20000000.
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[14:41] <gordonDrogon> user82, I know enough to poke the GPIO, etc. not a lot about bare-bones type stuff.
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> user82, all I've done has been from a running Linux.
[14:42] <Ryanteck> wha?
[14:42] <user82> okay thanks! some guy told me he is reverse engeneering the bootcode..but i forgot who it was :D
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> I really have no intentions to treat the Pi as yet another arduino - I'll use an arduino for that :)
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> there are plenty of tutorials, etc. about bare-bones booting, etc.
[14:43] <user82> gordonDrogon well i do...the high speed and 32bits is really nice
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[15:20] <roaster> anyone got a cross compiling environment setup for soft float wheezy?
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[15:22] <|Jeroen|> only for gentoo
[15:25] <roaster> you have any resources, maybe I can adopt to debian :D
[15:25] <ssice> guys, I have experienced that the raspi's speed (in ssh) is quite dependant on the sdcard used
[15:25] <ssice> I had a 4GB class-4 SD
[15:26] <ssice> and I experienced some lag when inputting commands, and sudo'ing.
[15:26] <ssice> I have just received a new UHS-1 class-10 card and it's visibly more responsive to me
[15:27] <|Jeroen|> roaster, not realy on gentoo you can just emerge the crosdev tools
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[15:29] <roaster> btw |Jeroen| when I say Plutonski, rings a bell? If so, I know you :p If not... well then Belgium contains 2 guys that use gentoo and are techie enough to play around with raspberry stuff ;)
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[15:30] <|Jeroen|> mhz doesn't ring a bell
[15:30] <roaster> ok, fair enough :D
[15:30] <roaster> thanks for the info, will search some more
[15:31] <|Jeroen|> you must know some other jeroen i guess
[15:31] <roaster> probably :D
[15:31] <roaster> it's not a very rare name here anyway it was worth to give it a shot
[15:32] <rolleiflex> anyone know the maximum class of sd that should be bought? there are class 10 stuff, but seems a little overkill
[15:32] <roaster> I have a class 10 SD card
[15:32] <roaster> works fine :)
[15:32] <roaster> thought it was a class 4 but just looked closer, it's actually a class 10 haha
[15:32] <rolleiflex> righty, is there any speed difference?
[15:33] <roaster> can't compare
[15:33] <rolleiflex> I thought RPI's sd drive was capped at 4
[15:33] <rolleiflex> ie anything over that doesn't really matter
[15:33] <rolleiflex> but who knows
[15:34] <roaster> I do have some micro sd cards with adapters here when I have some spare time I'll give it a shot to compare
[15:34] <rolleiflex> btw roaster, I made the pi restart every day at 6AM with crontab
[15:34] <rolleiflex> so that's a solution to redlighting
[15:35] <roaster> is your freeze happening on a regular basis? like every night or every ;orning?
[15:35] <rolleiflex> not really, around the 60 hour mark, I believe
[15:35] <rolleiflex> it really depends
[15:35] <roaster> damnit I need to get a qwerty keyboard at work too, loosing the hang of switching from keyboard layouts haha
[15:35] <roaster> I see
[15:36] <rolleiflex> I tried replacing the PSU (an original ipod charger), the cable
[15:36] <rolleiflex> it happens with ethernet and wifi, so no dice there too
[15:36] <roaster> maybe it's some sort of memory leak?
[15:36] <rolleiflex> might be
[15:36] <rolleiflex> then I thought the power is quite dirty on the rural part of the country I happen to be at
[15:36] <rolleiflex> then I connected the thing to a power supply
[15:36] <rolleiflex> still no dice
[15:37] <rolleiflex> might be, but then everybody who's running the thing would've encountered it. I'm using the standard hard fload raspbian
[15:37] <rolleiflex> your garden variety of tools, no desktop, no encoding, no overclock
[15:37] <rolleiflex> maybe I am assigning too little ram for gpu, but I'm not using it at all
[15:37] <rolleiflex> so it should be okay..
[15:37] <roaster> what do you use it for?
[15:38] <rolleiflex> rolleiflex.dyndns.org:8080
[15:38] <rolleiflex> some sort of playground
[15:38] <apo> neat, my custom kernel's running
[15:38] <apo> 2.4M, no modules at all :P
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[15:38] <rolleiflex> as a remote to an application I am building, general web stuff
[15:38] <rolleiflex> my own little VPS for free at parents' house :)
[15:38] * Zencrypter is now known as Encrypt
[15:38] <Encrypt> Hello everybody ! :)
[15:39] <rolleiflex> at least it would be, if it worked
[15:39] <roaster> hi Encrypt
[15:39] <roaster> I see rolleiflex
[15:39] <roaster> well I would try to look the path of some app freezing after a while...
[15:40] <rolleiflex> yeah.. log is pretty clean unfortunately
[15:40] <roaster> love it when that happens ;)
[15:40] <rolleiflex> whatever is crashing the thing makes it crash before the log is written
[15:40] <rolleiflex> perfect murder
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[15:46] <roaster> |Jeroen|, you link against arm-bcm2708-linux-gnueabi?
[15:46] <|Jeroen|> i use armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi
[15:48] <roaster> ah yeah the hardfloat I can't use, I want to build something aaround libspotify which is built using soft float
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[15:58] <dobra-dobra> exit
[15:58] <dobra-dobra> exit
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[16:38] <Anickyan> Hello!
[16:38] <Encrypt> Anickyan, Hi !
[16:39] <Anickyan> I was wondering, if there is a, possibly easy way to do graphics programming, that doesn't require you to start the X server.
[16:39] <Anickyan> (using C++)
[16:39] <Encrypt> :?
[16:39] <Encrypt> No idea...
[16:39] <mjr> opengl es on the pi is independent of X so you can use that
[16:40] <mjr> or you can use the framebuffer, I suppose, if you want to just write pixels
[16:40] <mjr> http://benosteen.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/using-opengl-es-2-0-on-the-raspberry-pi-without-x-windows/
[16:41] <markit> Anickyan: seems to recall that pygame engine was able to run in SDI mode (or something like that), maybe digging this stuff you find something helpful
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[16:48] <Anickyan> markit, I'm forced to use C++.
[16:48] <markit> Anickyan: yep, I just told you to see about SDI or whatever tecnology is available, maybe you find a C++ library for that too
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[16:50] * Encrypt wonders whether it is possible to shut down a Wii remotely from your laptop to prevent your sisters from playing Just Dance 4...
[16:52] <dwatkins> Encrypt: if you have a remote controlled mains plug, perhaps...
[16:52] <Encrypt> :?
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[16:58] <xtr3m3> Anickyan: try perl
[16:58] <Bane`> Oh good, this channel exists
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[16:59] <Encrypt> Bane`, Sure :?
[16:59] <Bane`> Checked my PayPal this morning, had more money than I thought, ordered a Pi
[17:00] <Bane`> From Newark. They said '1 Available to Ship Today' so I guess I'll find out of that was true or not soon emough
[17:00] <nabukadnezar43> what can i use for rpi gpio programming? especially for serial communication
[17:00] <nabukadnezar43> am i limited to C and asm?
[17:00] <FrankBlues> nabukadnezar43, I think python has gpio support
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[17:01] <nabukadnezar43> there's a module named rpi.gpio but they haven't implemented serial, i2c etc. yet
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[17:05] <nabukadnezar43> i can use ftdi chips connected to rpi's usb port but gpio seems to be a better alternative
[17:05] <nabukadnezar43> i'm struggling to find a detailed documentation about rpi gpio
[17:06] <FrankBlues> I somehow thought that console was directed to the gpio in raspbian
[17:07] <FrankBlues> Yeah. there it is in inittab - /dev/ttyAMA0
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[17:08] <KiltedPi> GPIO is the same everywhere. Thats the point, no?
[17:09] <KiltedPi> Its a kind of universal input/output system for microchips
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[17:09] <martindines> Hi
[17:09] <KiltedPi> Best thing to do, is make an LED test circuit
[17:09] <KiltedPi> hey
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[17:10] <martindines> Kilted, are you familiar with raspbmc & mysql?
[17:10] <nabukadnezar43> got my rpi yesterday, haven't even powered it yet
[17:11] <KiltedPi> MySQL yeah.
[17:11] <KiltedPi> Whatcha making martin
[17:11] <nabukadnezar43> KiltedPi, linux gpio gives me more hits on google, i guess i'll start from there, thanks
[17:11] <KiltedPi> Whatcha making!
[17:12] <KiltedPi> I've re-programmed some stuff with GPIO and in python#
[17:12] <martindines> I'm trying to get xbmc to store its databases in mysql.. fairly simple right? I found a few guides online and followed them
[17:12] <KiltedPi> python*
[17:12] <martindines> but can't seem to get it working. Just wondered if anyone else has managed to do it
[17:12] <KiltedPi> ah. Raspbian is almost identical to Debian
[17:12] <martindines> Nice
[17:12] <KiltedPi> Find solutions in debian-
[17:12] <KiltedPi> if you can.
[17:13] <KiltedPi> Debian 'wheezy'
[17:13] <KiltedPi> Its almost identical to wheezy
[17:13] <KiltedPi> Thats my advice!
[17:13] <martindines> Thanks, i'll have a search. So far I've installed mysql and got it running. Created the advancedsettings.xml file and entered the correct config information but no connection appears to be being made (well, nothing is being written)
[17:13] <martindines> :)
[17:14] <KiltedPi> Whats linux firing back at you??
[17:14] <KiltedPi> Nothing? erk
[17:14] <KiltedPi> Its worse when its a runtime error :(
[17:15] <KiltedPi> I'v never even used xbmc tho.
[17:15] <martindines> Ahh
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[17:15] <KiltedPi> I've ran game servers, using ODBC and SQL tables tho
[17:15] <martindines> Im sure its very simple and its just my configuration is incorrect. Xbmc works as it should but no connection is being made and its using its default databases to store info
[17:16] <martindines> nice!
[17:16] <KiltedPi> google is your friend i guess!
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[17:20] <nabukadnezar43> what do you guys use for hd video playback? omxplayer? is it possible to get smooth playback with mplayer/mplayer2?
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[17:28] <dhagens> Does anyone have some experience how long it usually takes to receive the VC-1 and MPEG-2 license keys? Obviously up to 72 hours as the website states.. but you always run into these things when you need them :(
[17:28] <dhagens> just wondering if anyone has experienced receiving it a couple of hours after ordering on a saturday night, to keep my hopes high :P
[17:29] <BaroMeter> 1 day or so
[17:30] <dhagens> on working days i suppose?
[17:30] <BaroMeter> yes
[17:31] <dhagens> guess thats only fair to expect :)
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[17:31] <BaroMeter> I have both of them, don't any use of them
[17:32] <dhagens> I have some VC-1 files
[17:32] <BaroMeter> ok :-)
[17:33] <BaroMeter> I had to try the MPEG-2 encoding with some VOB files...worked nice.
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[17:33] <dhagens> cool
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[17:34] <ackthet> is there an h.264 codec?
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[17:41] <BaroMeter> it't built in
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[17:42] <ackthet> built in to what
[17:42] <ackthet> sorry i meant hardware decoding
[17:42] <BaroMeter> that's why I use it for XBMC only
[17:42] <BaroMeter> decoding, yes
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[17:43] <BaroMeter> hardware
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[18:05] <giggls> hello, I was wondering if pwm output can be clocked slow enough to power a blinking LED or buzzer
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[18:08] <Sendoushi> hey guys
[18:08] <Sendoushi> anyone knows where to buy the pi in europe?
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[18:09] <Sendoushi> and other question... do you know any alternative (even cheaper) to the motorola lapdock?
[18:09] <Sendoushi> to use with the pi of course
[18:09] <giggls> Sendoushi: farnell/element14
[18:10] <Sendoushi> yes... the problem with those is as always: shipment
[18:10] <mjr> you're probably not gonna get anything cheaper that's in the same general product area
[18:10] <nabukadnezar43> giggls, how do you use pwm? is there some tutorial you can point me to?
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[18:11] <giggls> nabukadnezar43: http://www.frank-buss.de/raspberrypi/pwm.c is all I have
[18:12] <Sendoushi> i kind of have two ideas for the pi. one is the normal laptop with the lapdock (that's why i asked for even cheaper solutions) and the other is some kind of Akai MPC
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[18:13] <nabukadnezar43> giggls, thanks, hopefully i can learn something from that
[18:13] <giggls> Sendoushi: element14 is fairly quick, got mine in roughly a weak (in december)
[18:14] <Sendoushi> i'm used to buying things on china so... i don't really care about "quick" ehehe but i'll check those you told me and their shipment values
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[18:15] <dwatkins> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/298/can-i-use-the-gpio-for-pulse-width-modulation-pwm may also be useful
[18:15] <Sendoushi> other interesting thing i was thinking: traktor software on pi but that doesn't seem to me very doable because of performance limitations
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[18:18] <Sendoushi> how could one get the requirements for the traktor on a raspberry?
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[18:26] <_nimbu_> could anyone give me a hand with samba?
[18:26] <_nimbu_> I'm trying to reinstall it to get a fresh config file
[18:26] <_nimbu_> but it doesn't generate a new config for some odd reason :/
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[18:28] <nabukadnezar43> giggls, can't you change pwm frequency?
[18:29] <nabukadnezar43> i learned pwm in theory long time ago, never did anything practical with it
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[18:35] <giggls> nabukadnezar43: I need to lower the base frequency used, but I don't know how to to this, if at all possible
[18:35] <dwatkins> I did this with my Arduino, I imagine the same is possible withthe RPi... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQZ5OLvT7SU
[18:35] <dwatkins> PWM controlling random brightness of 4 LEDs, that is
[18:36] <FrankBlues> Anyone cooling the rpi: fans, heatsink, something more exotic?
[18:36] <giggls> LED brightness is not what I'm up to I want drive a beep - beep - beep ... buzzer
[18:37] <giggls> set the frequency should be about 10Hz-20Hz or so
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> 10-20 will not work with many buzzers
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> they don't start up very fast
[18:41] * nextime for software pwm to control leds suggest to use bit angle modulation that is a lot more performant that standard pwm
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> there is only one hardware PWM avalable on the Pi.
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> however I have a software PWM library that can use any pin as PWM - it's OK, but not perfect, but usually good enough.
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> FrankBlues, you're wasting your time - you'll continually be told that the Pi doesn't need cooling, but don't let that stop you if you really want to.
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> I also have a software tone generator for the Pi - works a treat for piezeo 'speakers' and high impedance speakers (e.g. 64??)
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> can only do 100 to 5KHz though.
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> Hm. actually 0 to 5KHz.
[18:45] <giggls> SpeedEvil: it will, because something like this does:
[18:45] <giggls> while true; do sleep 0.1; echo 1 > /sys/class/gpio/gpio18/value; sleep 0.1; echo 0 > /sys/class/gpio/gpio18/value; done
[18:45] <nabukadnezar43> gordonDrogon, have you ever done rx tx with rpi->pic/avr/or any other mcu?
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> nabukadnezar43, sure. works a treat. make sure the voltages are compatible (3.3) if using the on-board uart, but usb is trivial too.
[18:46] <FrankBlues> gordonDrogon, Because the temperature regulation is a factor in overclocking, I'm wondering if higher speeds are possible with cooling, and if you can stay at an actual 1ghz for longer if the pi is cooled.
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> FrankBlues, read more - you might find that that's not true on a Pi.
[18:47] <nabukadnezar43> well most if not all pics and avrs use 5 volts
[18:48] <nabukadnezar43> gordonDrogon, is there a good tutorial/book on rpi gpio (serial,i2c,pwm etc.) you can recommend?
[18:48] <FrankBlues> My understanding was that the governor (similar to the android ARM governor) will drop the actual clockrate if the temperature approaches 85C
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> FrankBlues, hey, don't listen to me - do your own reading..
[18:49] <TAFB> woot, real time drive activity added to my status page (courtesy of iostat): http://tafb.yi.org/
[18:49] <TAFB> tps = transactions per second :)
[18:50] <user82> dwatkins were you the guy reverse engineering or did i get confused?
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> nabukadnezar43, I don't know of one book that has it all (nor one website!) I've done a lot myself, but no I2C yet.
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> nabukadnezar43, serial is the same as serial on any other Linux host - and that it's "just another Linux box" is always good to remember too - because really, it's been done on countless other platforms - although the Pi does have one or 2 quirks :)
[18:51] <nabukadnezar43> gordonDrogon, so for example if you use serial rx tx, can you write programs using termios (C) and pyserial (python) directly?
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> nabukadnezar43, absolutely.
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[18:52] <nabukadnezar43> ahh, that's great
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> nabukadnezar43, grab my wiringPi if you want some examples.
[18:52] <FrankBlues> gordonDrogon, You're not actually telling me anything other than RTM, which I've done, and doesn't tell me anything other than nobody's doing it. If you've got a specific place where you can tell me my assumptions are wrong - that would be much more helpful.
[18:52] <nabukadnezar43> gordonDrogon, i will, thanks
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> FrankBlues, no-one is doing it because it doesn't help. You might be able to cool the memory pop chip, but not the actual cpu/gpu.
[18:53] <giggls> nabukadnezar43: note, that by default console output is directed to the serial port
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[18:53] <giggls> nabukadnezar43: there is even a getty running
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> FrankBlues, at the end of the day myself, and may others feel it's just not worth the effort. People are running Pis at 1, 1.1 and maybe faster without heatsinks.
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> giggls, nabukadnezar43 yup - just remember it's 3.3v
[18:54] <nabukadnezar43> giggls, on gpio14 and gpio15?
[18:54] <nabukadnezar43> gordonDrogon, sure, thanks
[18:54] <BaroMeter> heatsinks, was my first investment to my rasberry
[18:55] <user82> or ReggieUK do you know wo tries to reverse engineer the boot code?
[18:55] <Sendoushi> so... what about a drum machine like an akai mpc using raspberry pie?
[18:56] <FrankBlues> The limitations of the processor/gpu aren't being affected by cooling it - it's still going to become unstable at certain speeds no matter what you do, and that's independent of the cpu heat, which never reaches that threshold then... is that more accurate?
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> probably.
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> Power supply is more critical for overclocking (I've found).
[18:57] <BaroMeter> oh
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> My Pi's rarely get over 50C unless I stick them in-front of the fan heater.
[18:58] <user82> i got a package of mini coolers..not applied yet though
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> why not just try the turbo mode and see what you get.
[18:58] <FrankBlues> kk, that makes sense then. Thanks. Sorry for my being dense this morning.
[18:58] <BaroMeter> I run my at 1GHz with heat sinks, using it with XBMC only
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[18:58] <dniMretsaM> I run mine on turbo mode with no heatsinks. I haven't had any issues
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> I ran mine at 900MHz for months without issues - it was only when I enabled dynamic switching that I got issues )-:
[18:59] <dniMretsaM> when I get a case for the Pi I'll probably grab some sinks, though
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> I got back to fixed 900 and they're fine.
[18:59] <DDave> what heatsinks do you guys use?
[18:59] <FrankBlues> Gonna give turbo a shot, brb, reboot.
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> I have a Pi in a closed adafruit case - it's sitting at 50C and very happy.
[19:00] <DDave> and how to you "fix" em onto it
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[19:00] <dniMretsaM> I have a pretty good power supply, so I'm sure that helps
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> fixing is the issue - do be aware that the cpu is actually 2 chips, one soldered on-top of the other ... If you glue a heatsink to the top, then there is the potential to stress those solder pads...
[19:01] <BaroMeter> The CPU speed throttle's between 700 - 1000GHz, how can get it to run at 1Ghz permanently
[19:01] <DDave> mhm... and no way of applying thermal paste
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> and it's really the bottom chip that (potentially) you want to cool anyway...
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> BaroMeter, you need to disable auto-turbo mode and manually apply the overclockings.
[19:01] <DDave> gordonDrogon, as far as I remember you have a blog, right? Do you have a guide on how you added sinks?
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[19:01] <dniMretsaM> the Ethernet controller gets hotter than the SoC, does it not?
[19:02] <BaroMeter> gordonDrogon, turmode=1 ?
[19:02] <FrankBlues> kk, this should be turbo mode.
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> DDave, https://projects.drogon.net/ however I do not beileve that heatsinks are necessary, so I do not advocate their use.
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> force_turbo=1
[19:02] <BaroMeter> :-)
[19:02] <DDave> Yes, I was just asking out of curiosity. I havent had any heat problems anyhow.. I think a fan might help more than a heatsink
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> then you set the arm_freq=1000, etc.
[19:02] <BaroMeter> tanks
[19:02] <dniMretsaM> I mainly like heatsinks because they look cool. especially the copper ones (I'm a big fan of copper)
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[19:03] <gordonDrogon> I did a joke posting on the forums a while back - I used a Gertboard with the motor controller driving a fan made of lego, and a temp.sensor connected to the atmega with the fan speed being controlled by the Pi based on the temp....
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[19:04] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan1.jpg
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> The gertboard is under the big 'lego' lid... It was "under wraps" at that point..
[19:04] <dniMretsaM> lolol
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[19:04] <BaroMeter> How about this, is it OK then :
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan2.jpg
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[19:05] <BaroMeter> arm_freq=1000 core_freq=500 sdram_freq=600 over_voltage=6 disable_overscan=1 gpu_mem_256=128 gpu_mem_512=256 sdtv_mode=2 force_turbo=1
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> BaroMeter, fine, but be prepared to re-write it in a machine other than the Pi when it doesn't boot...
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[19:06] <dniMretsaM> very nice, gordonDrogon. good thing the fan blades didn't fly off or something
[19:07] <FrankBlues> 1ghz seems noticably snappier.
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> dniMretsaM, just a bit of fun - but it did actually control the speed - I demod it at the first Cambridge Raspberry Jam thing.
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> watch -n1 'uptime ; /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp ; /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_volts ; /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock arm ; /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock core'
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> is a handy little script I use when checking stuff.
[19:08] <dniMretsaM> BaroMeter: if it doesn't boot, hold Shift while it's turning on to temporarily disable overclocking
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[19:09] <FrankBlues> gordonDrogon, Nice script, thanks!
[19:09] <BaroMeter> gordonDrogon, that's not at script, more like a kommands
[19:09] <BaroMeter> ;-)
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> put it in a file, put #!/bin/bash at the top, chmod +x it, and it's a script ...
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> stick it in ~/bin and off you go...
[19:11] <BaroMeter> I'm working on it
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> you might have to mkdir ~/bin first if not using it already..
[19:11] <dniMretsaM> is ~/bin even in the default $PATH on raspbian?
[19:11] <dniMretsaM> ik it existis
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> it appears to be.
[19:11] <BaroMeter> it's a linux system, so it should be
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> well, it's on mine, but I tend to hack my own startup files...
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> echo $PATH
[19:12] <FrankBlues> Is a slight drop in frequency during regular use normal?
[19:12] <dniMretsaM> I'll boot up my Pi and check
[19:12] <dniMretsaM> brb
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[19:14] <FrankBlues> Is there an easy way to read the warranty bit?
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[19:15] <UnaClocker> heh.. Warranty on a $35 device..
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[19:17] <dniMretsaM> it is in the path by default. I must have missed it last time I looked
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[19:18] <gordonDrogon> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> look for the 'Revision' line.
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> if it starts 100000 .... then you've voided the warranty ..
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> Good: Revision : 0002
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> Bad: Revision : 1000002
[19:19] <BaroMeter> :-) then I have a bad one
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> the last digit may be different depending on board revision.
[19:19] <FrankBlues> Uh-oh... ;)
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> well - maybe 'bad' is the wrong word... 'voided' ...
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> I voided one Pi a while back when I was experimenting before the dynamic turbo mode came out.
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> you shouldn't be able to void it with the turbo mode, only if you do it manually.
[19:20] <dniMretsaM> 000f for me :)
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> dniMretsaM, that's a Rev 2 board. (probably with 512MB of RAM)
[19:21] <BaroMeter> If I brake mine, I'll get a new one
[19:21] <dniMretsaM> yes it is
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[19:23] * FrankBlues sticks a "Warranty Voided" sticker on the case with pride...
[19:23] <BaroMeter> :-D
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[19:24] <FrankBlues> Case may be the wrong word - it's a modified cigar box...
[19:24] <dniMretsaM> lol
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[19:25] <FrankBlues> Cut holes for the ports, wrapped it in duck tape, stuck a rpi logo on the top.
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[19:28] <gordonDrogon> spot of food time I think.
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[19:28] <dniMretsaM> anybody know if you can use the Enter key for a keybind in openbox?
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[19:30] <Gordio> dniMretsaM, whot you need?
[19:30] <Gordio> a*
[19:30] <dniMretsaM> W-S-Enter, preferably.
[19:30] <dniMretsaM> although I seem to have trouble with another keybind that uses W-S, so maybe there's an issue with that
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[19:39] <Gordio> dniMretsaM, I show example
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[19:41] <Gordio> dniMretsaM, 1. I don't know how bind Enter =\
[19:42] <dniMretsaM> Gordio: ok, thanks for looking!
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[19:42] <dniMretsaM> I'll ask around in the openbox community later
[19:42] <Gordio> But bmaybe this can help you, to find other way. (sorry english)
[19:43] <Gordio> http://pastie.org/5674744
[19:43] <Torikun> yo
[19:43] <Gordio> Super+a + f
[19:44] <dniMretsaM> Gordio: hmm. that might work. I'll try it out. sadly, I just turned off my Pi, though. so it'll have to be later.
[19:44] <Gordio> dniMretsaM, good luck
[19:44] <dniMretsaM> thanks
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> what cases do people have for their Pi's ?
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> I have one adafruit case and 3 SKpang breadboard things..
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[19:47] <mjr> my Pi's a naturalist
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> I guess I do a lot of gpio work, so need easy access to that ...
[19:47] <piney> no cases yet, i'll make one some day
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> mjr, Heh... I started like that, but people kept on whinging at me for having it on the carpet :)
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> e.g. http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[19:48] <dniMretsaM> I have no case. I found about a $7 one on eBay, so I'll probably get that
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[19:48] <dniMretsaM> gordonDrogon: that case has an opening for the gpio. you want a link?
[19:48] <piney> rikkib made an aluminum one that I think i'm going to try out - http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-dev.jpg
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> dniMretsaM, I was more just curious really - the adafruit one has a slot for gpio cable, but it's a bit low for a cable with a strain relief bar..
[19:49] <TAFB> love that dell keyboard, my fav of all time :)
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[19:50] <dniMretsaM> ah, ok
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> not a fan.... however I've been using the same keyboard on my desktop for over 12 years now ...
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit manky...
[19:50] <piney> i always liked the look of that dell kb too. too bad it's not mechanical
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> but I clean it every now & then!
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[19:57] <gordonDrogon> Hm. not sure if deciding to 'empty' the keybord and hoover it was a good idea...
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[19:57] <dniMretsaM> what happened, gordonDrogon?
[19:58] <piney> 'empty' mean hold sideways and shake? :)
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> dniMretsaM, dunno. must have hit some weird key combiantion that quit all my IRC stuff.
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> piney, yea, and upside and and bash it on the desktop... never a good thing...
[19:58] <dniMretsaM> lololol
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> it says "Netware approved and tested" under it.
[19:59] <piney> keyboards are made to be (ab)used
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> http://linitx.com/product/10838 <-- is the mini keyboard I use on Pi's sometimes.
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[20:01] <piney> are all spi pins unidirectional?
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[20:04] <dniMretsaM> I use a Logitech K400r. keyboard and touchpad together
[20:04] <Kingpin13> Hi all. I'm trying to get the Pi to play a music CD (external USB drive) to the Aux out. I've got sound working fine (I can use aplay) and I can also read from the CD drive fine (get track listing etc.) But no music =(. I'm using cdcd at the moment. Any ideas?
[20:05] <piney> i know miso ans mosi are, i guess i gotta see how the cs and clk pins work
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[20:08] <SpeedEvil> the player you have may rely on the audio analog output from the CD working
[20:08] <SpeedEvil> it does not, for obvious reasons
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[20:11] <Kingpin13> SpeedEvil, what's the reason? :/
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[20:11] <SpeedEvil> the wire isn't there
[20:12] <brust> the cd-player will simply output to the analog line that is not connected anywhere
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[20:13] <SpeedEvil> indeed
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> you need a CD player app that rips the tracks and plays them
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[20:16] <Kingpin13> Ah, you mean it won't be able to play from the USB, it would need a cd audio cable?
[20:16] <SpeedEvil> yes
[20:17] <Kingpin13> Oh, okay thanks. I'll have a look for a command line CD ripper. Do you know of any good ones?
[20:18] <BaroMeter> U still use CD's, that belongs to the past ;-)
[20:19] <Kingpin13> Well, it beats cassette tapes =p.
[20:19] <rossw> 8 track is where its at
[20:20] <rossw> you can prolly put a pi inside an 8 track actually
[20:20] <brust> abcdeabcde
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[20:22] <dniMretsaM> Kingpin13: I think crip is a CLI ripper
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[20:24] <Kingpin13> I'll have a look, thanks.
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[20:29] <gordonDrogon> piney, the SPI pins are bidirectional when used in normal GPIO mode.
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> piney, in SPI mode they have specific functions.
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[20:30] <piney> yea, i was talking in spi mode. i got some 74hc244's that i think im going to buffer thise pins with
[20:31] <piney> was just checking that the signals were unidirectional, and they are
[20:32] <piney> i over volted a device connected to uart and blew the uart out on my rev1 pi. trying to prevent stuff like that from happening again
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[20:39] <matthiasb> Hi got a problem with my raspberry. I installed xrdp, seems to work fine but at first chance pcmanfm goes berserk.
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[20:40] <matthiasb> Logging out results in zombie pcmanfm that hogs cpu at 100
[20:40] <matthiasb> And that happens everytime.
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[20:41] <matthiasb> I can't really get rid of pcmanfm as i wish to use a graphical user interface but it makes the system virtually unusable until reboot or zombie kill.
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[21:05] <brust> fffffffffff
[21:05] <|Jeroen|> f?
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[21:07] <torgo> This is probably really obvious, but I loaded by SD card on my Windows machine
[21:07] <torgo> and
[21:07] <torgo> there are no files :o
[21:07] <torgo> well, just the boot files
[21:08] <torgo> Where's my home directory and all that?
[21:08] <torgo> Separate partition? Has to be...
[21:08] <pksato> torgo: windows dont see linux files.
[21:08] <torgo> o snap
[21:08] <rossw> they are linux partitions
[21:08] <rossw> windows doesnt like that
[21:08] <torgo> O gotcha
[21:08] <torgo> So I should be able to see them in gparted
[21:08] <torgo> or something
[21:09] <rossw> you can see the partitions
[21:09] <rossw> not files
[21:09] <torgo> kk
[21:09] <torgo> Thx
[21:09] <torgo> Ah
[21:09] <rossw> easiest way if you have a windows machine and ssh on your pi is winscp to access files
[21:09] <pksato> to see, or mount, linux filesystem, need to install some tools.
[21:09] <torgo> I see
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[21:09] <torgo> If I wanted to copy the contents to a different sd card, how would I do that?
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[21:10] <rossw> theres that win32diskimager or something
[21:10] <rossw> that can backup the card
[21:10] <rossw> then put it on another
[21:10] <rossw> hold on
[21:10] <rossw> torgo: http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
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[21:11] <pksato> http://www.howtogeek.com/112888/3-ways-to-access-your-linux-partitions-from-windows/
[21:11] <torgo> Thx guys I'll check it out
[21:11] <torgo> WOuld it be easier to just copy the partitions in linux?
[21:11] <rossw> diskimager creates all the partions and stuff correctly from a .img file
[21:11] <|Jeroen|> use partimage
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[21:21] <FerkSwe> Okay, I'm not sure if I'm doing everything correct here. I put an image on an SD card using Win32 Disk Imager. Then I put my card in the Pi, connected the powercord but it's not booting. Have I missed something?
[21:22] <brust> ihrihjriogh
[21:22] <Encrypt> Did you power it before or after putting the SD Card in ?
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[21:23] <mdszy> brust, asdfoiawuersdflk
[21:23] <FerkSwe> Encrypt After
[21:23] <Encrypt> Ferk...
[21:23] <Encrypt> Well...
[21:24] <FerkSwe> Oh god, what'd I do wrong?
[21:24] <Encrypt> Are you sure it doesn't boot ? What appears on the screen (If something appears...)
[21:24] <FerkSwe> Noting.
[21:24] <FerkSwe> *Nothing
[21:24] <pksato> FerkSwe: sd not correct insertd.
[21:24] <mdszy> are you giving it enough power?
[21:24] <Encrypt> And the LEDs ?
[21:24] <pksato> incompatible SD card (rare).
[21:25] <Encrypt> Are-they shining ? :)
[21:25] <pksato> inadequate PSU.
[21:25] <FerkSwe> I've run it previously with an XBMC image, so the sd is working as well as the PSU
[21:25] <Encrypt> How to you power the Pi as well ?
[21:25] <mdszy> ah
[21:25] <FerkSwe> Pwr led is the only one on
[21:25] <dniMretsaM> FerkSwe: does the ACT right flicker at all?
[21:25] <FerkSwe> Right now i've got a weezy beta image.
[21:26] <Encrypt> Why beta... ?
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[21:26] <FerkSwe> Once briefly when I connect the power
[21:26] <Encrypt> Stable releases work well... :?
[21:26] <FerkSwe> Not sure actually. Does it make a difference?
[21:26] <Encrypt> I would recommend using a stable release...
[21:27] <FerkSwe> Okay, switching. You think that's the source of my problem?
[21:27] <Encrypt> Since it has been tested by numerous users, and there must have been bug fixes...
[21:27] <Encrypt> It might be...
[21:27] <FerkSwe> Ookay
[21:27] <Encrypt> But I'm not sure...
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[21:27] <FerkSwe> Will find out in about two minutes
[21:27] <Encrypt> Just download Raspbian ! :)
[21:28] <FerkSwe> I need the Soft-Float for this
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[21:29] <dniMretsaM> Encrypt: isn't a stable release of Wheezy a tad bit oxymoronic? xD
[21:29] <Encrypt> Don't know... :?
[21:29] <Encrypt> But I know that my server works well, powered by Raspbian ! :)
[21:31] <dniMretsaM> I was just referring to the fact that Wheezy is not considered stable by Debian
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[21:32] <dniMretsaM> now for a serious question. my Logitech k400r keyboard doesn't work on boot. I have to unplug the receiver from the Pi after it boots and then plug it back in. anybody know why?
[21:34] <turndevil> same here but one level further. only works after unplug and reboot
[21:35] <dniMretsaM> turndevil: even stranger
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[21:35] <FerkSwe> Encrypt Just noticed that the Betaversion I had on my pc was old. Flashing the latest stable now
[21:35] <Encrypt> :)
[21:36] <FerkSwe> It's working!
[21:36] <turndevil> dniMretsaM: my only fix is to just not turn the box off =D
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[21:37] <dniMretsaM> turndevil: lolol
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[21:42] <axion> dniMretsaM: because it draws more power than the usb ports can supply?
[21:43] <axion> and yet another reason to use a powered hub
[21:43] <Encrypt> FerkSwe, :)
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[21:43] <dniMretsaM> axion: I don't think so. it works just fine if I plug it in after booting
[21:43] <axion> that is normal
[21:44] <axion> dont expect the device to work fully though. what is its rated amperage?
[21:44] <dniMretsaM> you mean for this keyboard it's normal?
[21:44] <axion> what is the power specs of the receiver?
[21:44] <dniMretsaM> the device works absolutely fine. and I'm not sure, I'll check
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[21:44] <dniMretsaM> it's Logitech Unified Receiver, btw.
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[21:46] <axion> during boot the pi uses less power than when the cpu and other peripherals are powered
[21:46] <axion> so that seems normal to me that it only works during boot
[21:47] <axion> same thing for my keyboard receiver when not attached to dedicated powered hub
[21:47] <dniMretsaM> ok, that makes sense. I can't find the power usage, so I'll just leave it at that
[21:48] <axion> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=28669&p=253155
[21:49] <axion> try the fix in that thread too
[21:49] <axion> same keyboard too
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[21:51] <turndevil> right below the fix is a post of someone having the same issue with a powered hub
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[22:05] <turndevil> has anyone of you guys tried the projectm visualization in xbmc?
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[22:16] <Torikun> Yo
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[22:16] <Torikun> I got three Pi's. 1 running mysql and 2 are load balancer for php. Helps website load time a lot
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[22:19] <TAFB> nice work :)
[22:19] <double-you> da stinkste aber ordentlich nach zwiebeln
[22:19] <double-you> fc
[22:20] <Encrypt> TAFB, Hey ! :)
[22:20] <Torikun> Sup TAFB
[22:20] <TAFB> hey hey :)
[22:20] <Torikun> TAFB: is what I did better than php cache?
[22:20] <TAFB> did you check out my new live drive activity?!?! http://tafb.yi.org :)
[22:20] * Torikun loads
[22:20] <ShiftPlusOne> double-you, google translate: because stinkste but neat to onions
[22:20] <ShiftPlusOne> makes perfect sense
[22:21] <Torikun> dam so fast
[22:21] <TAFB> Torikun: I'm not sure, I've only tried my wacky cache technology (which you can see loads RETARDED fast).
[22:21] <Torikun> yup
[22:21] <TAFB> I have not tried any others though
[22:21] <Torikun> lol
[22:21] <double-you> ShiftPlusOne: onions smell ;)
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[22:22] <ShiftPlusOne> double-you, yeah I figured it out, I was just wondering wth google was thinking there.
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[22:25] <Opinie> has anyone else recently started having problems with UFW?
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[22:28] <dfood> hey, how would i go about using my pi as a media server for streaming to other devices?
[22:28] <Encrypt> You should wait for the Ubuntu TV... :?
[22:29] <dfood> lol :p
[22:29] <Encrypt> Otherwise, you can use XBMC
[22:29] <Encrypt> BTW, the Ubuntu TV is soon coming...
[22:29] <Encrypt> April 2013
[22:29] <dfood> yeeaa i kinda want something more energy/CPU efficient
[22:29] <Encrypt> I think it would work on a RPi
[22:30] <Opinie> I think there may have been some update, which did something ufw-related and nasty
[22:30] <mdszy> does anyone here use a Raspberry Pi as a media server and have it set up to stream media from another computer?
[22:30] <mdszy> specifically with XBMC
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[22:31] <Opinie> like playing a file via samba with XBMC?
[22:31] <mdszy> Opinie, is that how you'd accomplish it? with samba?
[22:32] <Opinie> I'm seriously the dumbest person here
[22:32] <mdszy> that's mostly what I was wondering, I dunno about samba, though, I've heard bad things about it.
[22:32] <Opinie> .. what bad things?
[22:32] <mdszy> At least I think I have
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[22:32] <mdszy> eh, I'll just give it a shot
[22:33] <mdszy> can you use a linux computer as a samba server?
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[22:33] <Opinie> I think I once played something via samba set up on an RPi on another RPi using XBMC
[22:33] <dfood> me too, just gonna try accessing the media files w/samba
[22:33] <mdszy> ah
[22:33] <dfood> i use mpd for audio but video would be nice
[22:34] <mdszy> dfood, so you use mpd on the host computer, where everything is, and you have your RPi connected to that?
[22:34] <dfood> nah the raspi is running mpd and i use ncmpcpp as a client on another computer
[22:34] <Opinie> mdszy: these are the instructions I used to set up samba http://elinux.org/R-Pi_NAS
[22:35] <mdszy> that's not what I want to do.
[22:35] <mdszy> if I wanted to do that, I could just put everything on a hard drive and plug it into the Pi
[22:35] <Opinie> I don't think you know what you want to do
[22:35] <mdszy> I *do* know what i want to do
[22:35] <dfood> what do you want to do then, specifically? just stream it from the raspi and have the output on another computer?
[22:36] <mdszy> No, I want to stream *TO* the Raspberry Pi
[22:36] <dfood> ah well just do it the other way
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[22:36] <dfood> run mpd on another computer then ncmpcpp or something on the raspi
[22:36] <dfood> if you only want audio that is
[22:36] <mdszy> dfood, but then it'll play through the other computer
[22:36] <mdszy> not through the raspi
[22:37] <mdszy> i'm using xbmc anyways
[22:37] <dfood> i think mpd can stream music?
[22:37] * Opinie facepalms himself to death
[22:37] <dfood> http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Configuration#Built-in_HTTP_streaming
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[22:39] <Opinie> mdszy: you want to stream video, right?
[22:39] <Opinie> well actually whatever it is
[22:40] <mdszy> Opinie, yes.
[22:40] <Opinie> I don't see, how you could not get it working by just setting up samba on the computer with the files you want to watch/listen/whatever on the Pi
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[22:43] <BigShip> hello hello! Fiddling with my brand new RPi. Quick question on overclocking to 1ghz. Does choosing the turbo option automatically overvolt?
[22:43] <Opinie> yeah, doesn't it say so?
[22:43] <Opinie> are you fiddling with config.txt?
[22:44] <BigShip> no, just using the raspi-config
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[22:44] <Opinie> k
[22:44] <BigShip> Will my kindle charger provide enough power or will I have to pick up something else?
[22:45] <Opinie> no idea
[22:45] <ShiftPlusOne> BigShip, what does it say on it?
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[22:45] <BigShip> it doesn't, lemme google, one sec
[22:45] <ShiftPlusOne> it would have to
[22:45] <TAFB> anyone got a link to a way I can monitor a voltage with the Pi (0 to 5v)? A sensor I could wire to GPIO or whatever... :)
[22:45] <blahee> BigShip: probably. U do run 2xrpi from PC USB-ports. Both at 1GHz
[22:46] <Opinie> BigShip: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=27043
[22:46] <blahee> s/U/I
[22:46] <Prime326> Is there any way to start an ntp daemon earlier in the boot process, so that logs are more accurate?
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> TAFB, you'll need to reduce it to 0-3.3v
[22:46] <TAFB> i could do that, and then the Pi could monitor it directly?
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> Prime326, not really - can't start ntp until networking is running.
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> TAFB, if it's just on/off, yes.
[22:47] <netzvieh> Hey guys, anyone ever tried to run UFO:AI (http://ufoai.org) on the pi?
[22:47] <TAFB> no, it's variable, need to measure the actual voltage
[22:47] <mdszy> BigShip, I've used a kindle charger with it before
[22:47] <Prime326> gordonDrogon: that's what I assumed
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[22:47] <Prime326> I though there might be some other way though
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> Prime326, you can always infer the time in the logs as being offsets back from the first proper timestamp.
[22:48] <Prime326> not sure I follow
[22:49] <BigShip> mdszy: and it worked for turbo mode?
[22:49] <BigShip> ShiftPlusOne: it says it outputs 5v
[22:49] <mdszy> BigShip, I don't run mine in turbo
[22:49] <Prime326> it's not a big deal unless I have to track down in issue with the kernel bootup
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[22:50] <ShiftPlusOne> BigShip, and the current?
[22:50] <BigShip> 100-240V
[22:50] <ShiftPlusOne> nope, the current. It will have an 'A'
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[22:50] <BigShip> dang, ill keep googling. Wasn't included
[22:51] * Encrypt definitely doesn't understand while people overclock their Pis...
[22:51] <ShiftPlusOne> It should say right on the supply.
[22:51] <Opinie> Encrypt: what don't you understand? :)
[22:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Encrypt, I think, and I am not sure about this, it's to get better performance.
[22:51] <Encrypt> Well...
[22:52] <Encrypt> Then, you should buy a better hardware...
[22:52] <Opinie> that's not really the point though
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[22:52] <ShiftPlusOne> not everybody has money to throw away
[22:53] <Encrypt> But overclocking a Pi might make it melting...
[22:53] <ShiftPlusOne> no
[22:53] <Encrypt> And the life-time is shortened...
[22:54] <Encrypt> Well, maybe it doesn't melt
[22:54] <ShiftPlusOne> That remains to be seen. If it's down to 10 years from 15, I am ok with that.
[22:54] <Encrypt> Especially if you add an Aluminium case, as TAFB like
[22:54] <dfood> if you do it too much it could melt, couldn't it?
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> Prime326, kernel bootup isn't wall-clocked anyway - the time of day isn't normally set until kernel is loaded and userland starts...
[22:54] <Encrypt> (without the final like*)
[22:54] <ShiftPlusOne> dfood, no it would just turn off before there is any melting.
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[22:55] <dfood> aha
[22:55] <Encrypt> But what is sure is that it will not last as long as a non-underclocked Pi...
[22:55] <ShiftPlusOne> when did this become about underclocking? And no this isn't sure. Clock speed is fairly arbitary.
[22:55] <Encrypt> Then, it's better to buy 2 Pis and connect them each-other
[22:56] <Encrypt> Performances x2 without risk
[22:56] <ShiftPlusOne> You know perfectly well that's not how it works.
[22:56] <Encrypt> Yes
[22:56] <Encrypt> But approximately...
[22:57] <Encrypt> (Very) approximately... :?
[22:57] <Encrypt> But that's what I would do as far as I'm concerned
[22:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Maybe for some very specific tasks which support that.
[22:57] <xzr> if you manage to melt a 30 dollar chip so what >_>
[22:57] <BigShip> ShiftPlusOne: 15A
[22:57] <BigShip> ShiftPlusOne: 0.15A
[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> BigShip, neither sound right.
[22:58] <blahee> yeap. Should be 0.5 - 2A
[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> BigShip, you're probably looking at the input rather than the output
[22:58] <BigShip> ahh sorry its tiny, its 0.85A for output
[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that sounds about right
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[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> and it enough for a pi.
[22:58] <BigShip> for turbo mode though?
[22:59] <ShiftPlusOne> it doesn't make much difference to power consumption AFAIK
[22:59] <Encrypt> I'm going to bed ! Bye ! :)
[22:59] <BigShip> yay. Love it, thanks
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[23:08] <dniMretsaM> so I updated my Pi's firmware and now the keyboard works on boot. awesome
[23:08] <Opinie> :)
[23:08] <BigShip> just about to test out the video capabilities. Do I have to enable sound?
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> only if you want to hear anything ...
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[23:12] <dniMretsaM> now to figure out what's wrong with LXPanel
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[23:14] <mdszy> ah ha!
[23:14] <mdszy> got music working!
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[23:24] <Opinie> mdszy: so did you use samba or the other thing that was suggested?
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[23:30] <mdszy> Opinie, i'm using mpd + http streaming, not sure what to do about video though
[23:30] <Opinie> k
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[23:31] <Laice> o/
[23:31] <Opinie> o/
[23:32] <mdszy> \o
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[23:32] <Laice> wondering if anyone can help, just got back from work, thought i'd boot up the pi, 2.5 seconds into boot it's panicked (PANIC: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(179,2) )
[23:32] <Laice> raspbian btw
[23:33] <Laice> it's "Entering kdb (current=0xd782ac80, pid 1) due to Keyboard Entry" and left me with a kdb> prompt
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[23:34] <ShiftPlusOne> It's not seeing the rootfs, which can be caused by many things.
[23:35] <ShiftPlusOne> If you run linux on your pc, plug the card in and fsck it.
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[23:36] <Laice> ironically my ssd raid died yesterday so i don't have a copy of 'buntu without making a usb installer, guess there's no easy way then :) *makes a 'buntu stick*
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[23:36] <Opinie> does ubuntu now run on the Pi?
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Opinie, nope
[23:36] <dniMretsaM> Opinie: no
[23:36] <Laice> no
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ...no
[23:37] <Laice> tbh i wouldnt want it on it it wouldnt handle it
[23:37] <dniMretsaM> it doesn't have an ARM version
[23:37] <Opinie> thought as much
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[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> It does have an arm version
[23:37] <dniMretsaM> er, nevermind
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> just not one that works on the pi
[23:37] <Laice> Mate's the way to go if you want buntu
[23:37] <axion> technically yes, but canonical does not release armv6 binaries
[23:37] <Opinie> meh, I'm happy with raspbian
[23:37] <TAFB> Nice! Looks like I can use this to send 0-5v on the Pi: http://www.abelectronics.co.uk/products/3/Raspberry-Pi/17/ADC-Pi-V2---Raspberry-Pi-Analogue-to-Digital-converter
[23:38] <Laice> mate is just the desktop environment for raspbian
[23:38] <Opinie> oh ok
[23:38] <ShiftPlusOne> You can install whatever you need to install on raspbian to make it feel like any distro you want anyway =/
[23:38] <TAFB> instructions for reading voltage with it are here! http://elinux.org/RPi_ADC_I2C_Python
[23:38] <nabukadnezar43> i'll install arch arm with i3 on my pi
[23:38] <dniMretsaM> Laice: pretty sure Raspbian uses LXDE
[23:38] <BigShip> yeah it does
[23:38] <TAFB> i heart arch
[23:38] <nabukadnezar43> desktop environment on pi? i don't think so
[23:38] <scummos> TAFB: was unicode sold out? ;P
[23:38] <BigShip> TAFB: working on arch. It doesn't like me though
[23:38] <ShiftPlusOne> * The recommended image of raspbian comes with lxde
[23:38] <Laice> aye but if you install lightdm (the desktop manager) then mate-core using the mate archives on raspian.org you can switch between either :)
[23:39] <TAFB> my arch: http://tafb.yi.org :)
[23:39] <TAFB> scummos: ?
[23:39] <BigShip> Anyone know how to get video working on this baby? I wanna test it with my .avi movie
[23:39] <scummos> TAFB: here's your heart: ???
[23:39] <TAFB> ahhh thx
[23:39] <scummos> ;)
[23:39] <Opinie> BigShip: you need to use omxplayer or xbmc
[23:39] * TAFB ??? arch
[23:39] <dniMretsaM> is it possible to get the xscreensaver-gl stuff working on the Pi?
[23:40] <scummos> dniMretsaM: probably not
[23:40] <Laice> 1.2Ghz?
[23:40] <ShiftPlusOne> There's also a 'hello video' example in /opt/src
[23:40] <scummos> the pi supports OpenGL ES
[23:40] <TAFB> Laice: it ain't a Pi ;)
[23:40] <scummos> and the gl stuff is opengl 2 or so
[23:40] <Laice> gonna say, christ you got that thing in a nitrogen tank lol
[23:40] <dniMretsaM> rats
[23:40] <TAFB> Laice: lol. It's that little black box in the pic (Seagate GoFlex Home). Fast as snot :)
[23:40] <BigShip> Opinie: I set a custom command xterm -e omxplayer -o hdmi -r %f
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[23:41] <TAFB> gigabit ethernet (dedicated), sata2 (dedicated), usb2 (dedicated) just flies
[23:41] <BigShip> Opinie: found a tutorial thing that told me to... but it just fullscreens a blank screen
[23:41] <dniMretsaM> hmm. I get the error that the display doesn't support the GLX extension.
[23:41] <axion> that is correct
[23:41] <axion> you need an EGL context
[23:42] <dniMretsaM> actually it's from the GL extras package.
[23:42] <linuxstb> BigShip: Do you know what format the video is inside your avi?
[23:42] <dniMretsaM> but same difference in this case
[23:42] <Laice> know much about hostnames? i own steelrain.co.uk and have 3 dedicateds and the pi i'd all like as subs on the FQDN, i.e the pi would be thor.steelrain.co.uk the master cass.steelrain.co.uk, is it just a case of playing with the dns and /etc/hostname to be able to get to them from anywhere?
[23:42] <BigShip> uh, dang I thought .avi was the format @_@. How would I check?
[23:42] <scummos> no, avi only is a container... it's sort of confusing
[23:42] <axion> inspect the video contained in the avi
[23:42] <dr_willis> avi is a container the video itself can be any of several dozen+ codecs
[23:43] <dr_willis> file foo.avi might give details of the file
[23:43] <Opinie> TAFB: that is not your pi, right? http://tafb.yi.org/
[23:43] <Laice> [22:40] <TAFB> Laice: lol. It's that little black box in the pic (Seagate GoFlex Home). Fast as snot :)
[23:43] <Opinie> k
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[23:44] <Laice> TAFB: not a cheap bit of kit that then
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[23:44] <TAFB> Opinie: it used to be. You can download the Pi compatible source code at the bottom of the page. I needed way more i/o performance then the Pi could offer (30 email domains, 8 websites)
[23:45] <axion> pi hater
[23:45] <Opinie> :)
[23:45] <axion> im taking my domain name back
[23:45] <TAFB> Laice: I got a bunch of them for free, with some $99 3TB sata hard drives I bought :) You can buy just the dock for $40ish on ebay
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[23:45] <Laice> just need moar pi's daisychained!
[23:45] <TAFB> axion: dun do it, I lub it!
[23:45] <BigShip> linuxstb: any way I can just guess what format it is?
[23:45] <axion> send me a freebie then
[23:45] <axion> lol
[23:46] <Laice> so which lorry was it?
[23:46] <Laice> :P
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[23:46] <linuxstb> BigShip: Do what dr_willis suggested, type "file filename.avi" in the terminal
[23:46] <TAFB> lorry?
[23:46] <Laice> uh, truck, HGV, articulated, wagon, oversized-car-for-carrying-stuff
[23:47] <TAFB> ahhh. truck. Which truck was it off the back of?
[23:47] <Laice> exactly :P
[23:47] <Scriptonaut> Hey guys, I booted into raspbian for the first time, and with an ethernet cable attached(going to my router). I can't seem to connect to the internet through the web browser,and the package manager can't either. I'm able to ping both IP's and domains though. What could the problem be?
[23:47] <Laice> dns servers by the sound of it
[23:47] <Scriptonaut> sometimes with apt-get I will download like 20%, but then it cuts out
[23:48] <Laice> or default gateway
[23:48] <Scriptonaut> the DNS seems to work, because I can ping domains
[23:48] <TAFB> Laice: three pics coming up... #1: http://likestuff.globat.com/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDriveMotorcycleStaplesR6S2009_L.jpg
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[23:48] <Scriptonaut> http://likestuff.globat.com/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDriveMotorcycleStaplesR6S2009_L.jpg
[23:48] <Scriptonaut> whoops
[23:48] <TAFB> pic #2: http://likestuff.globat.com/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive/Seagate%203GB%20Go%20Flex%20external%20hard%20drives%20from%20Staples_L.png
[23:48] <TAFB> pic #3: http://likestuff.globat.com/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive_L.jpg
[23:49] <Laice> :(
[23:49] <TAFB> crazy deal for 3TB with those cool docking stations :)
[23:49] <Laice> all i wanted was some linux based criminal activity damnit
[23:49] <TAFB> hahaha
[23:49] <TAFB> never
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[23:49] <TAFB> I'm still on probation
[23:49] <TAFB> nothin illegal for me anymore!
[23:49] <Opinie> TAFB: are you really on probation?
[23:49] <BigShip> linuxstb: as in /media/MULTIBOOT/Evolution.avi Evolution.avi ?
[23:49] <TAFB> http://tafb.xxx/rcmp
[23:49] <TAFB> ^^
[23:49] <Laice> be glad your VAT is only 13%! we pay 20% over in the UK
[23:50] <TAFB> Laice: yikes!! :(
[23:50] <linuxstb> BigShip: No, "file" is the name of the command. So type "file /media/MULTIBOOT/Evolution.avi"
[23:50] <linuxstb> (without the quotes)
[23:50] <BigShip> ahh kk
[23:50] <TAFB> Laice: can you get away without paying the VAT by ordering from the internet and getting it shipped in?
[23:51] <axion> anyone in the US interested in a used HP atom-based netbook for 1/3 cost before i ebay it?
[23:51] <Laice> depends on customs
[23:51] <TAFB> ahhhh
[23:51] <Laice> a lot of the time though the cost of importing is too high
[23:51] <Laice> see if they declare it as a gift at customs, no problem! if it's trade goods or for personal........bam.
[23:51] <BigShip> linuxstb: it says its video: DivX 3 Low-Motion, audio:MPEG-1 Layer 3
[23:52] <Laice> they've tightened up a lot on internet buying as people are importing tasers, and there's now more criminals using tasers than guns.
[23:52] <TAFB> nuts!
[23:52] <linuxstb> BigShip: OK, then that should work I think (not sure about the "Low-Motion" bit). Try "omxplayer /media/MULTIBOOT/Evolution.avi" (instead of your shortcut)
[23:52] <Laice> i got an EpicMealTime Tshirt from Quebec this christmas, $20 for the shirt, $20 postage
[23:52] <rikkib> 34 deg C in my workshop, 44 deg C in direct sunlight. Been in the sun unloading pathing stones and cooking.
[23:53] <linuxstb> BigShip: That should also write an "omxplayer.log" file into the current directory. That may give you an error message.
[23:53] <TAFB> yikes, quebec is close to me :)
[23:53] <Laice> well tell them to sort it out :P
[23:53] <Laice> haha i do wonder on your definition of close in a country that size
[23:54] <TAFB> they are pretending to be their own country right no, so F them! They won't let us ship anything there without french instructions/box/info, etc. And they want the rest of canada to ban importing products that aren't bi-lingual! They made ALL of our laptops come with the most RETARDED bi-lingual keyboards :(
[23:54] <Laice> where's your @ key
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[23:55] <TAFB> it's the shift hey that's the problem, it's cut in half, and half of it is \ key, and same with enter key!!!
[23:55] <TAFB> so every\thing\we\type\has\no\spaces :(
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[23:55] <NullMoogleCable> hi
[23:55] <TAFB> http://i54.tinypic.com/10ru6bb.jpg
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> I hear you can buy pretty much whatever keyboard you want on this internet thing.
[23:56] <Laice> what in the
[23:56] <TAFB> i kno :(
[23:56] <NullMoogleCable> so what are the odds of me getting this lcd working with a pi ? http://elinux.org/images/0/09/At070tn82.pdf
[23:56] <dr_willis> I find my keybords at goodwill/used junk stores ;)
[23:56] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, laptop. I have never been a fan of laptop keyboards >=/
[23:56] <TAFB> i don't mind them, if they are english/USA keyboards
[23:56] <TAFB> can't stand the "canadian" keyboards :(
[23:56] <ShiftPlusOne> I always type derpy on laptops.
[23:57] <TAFB> I like that Dell said "screw quebec" and are shipping english keyboard now, so quebec banned them from being sold there :) lol
[23:57] <axion> i'll sell you this netbook cheap TAFB
[23:57] <Laice> http://campl.us/bCZzWAglZ2y
[23:57] <Laice> my keyboard looks boring haha
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Bought a Razer mechanical keyboard like a year ago and only recently got used to it... so yeah, I don't adapt too well. =/
[23:57] <TAFB> Laice: you have small left shift key too! i can't stand it
[23:57] <Laice> i use right shift 24/7 instead
[23:57] <TAFB> lol
[23:58] <TAFB> brb. dinner. Fish and chips! (halibut, yumm)
[23:58] * TAFB is now known as TAFB_fish
[23:58] <Laice> *unsure if he means chips or CHIPS*
[23:58] <TAFB_fish> fries
[23:58] <TAFB_fish> french fries
[23:58] <ShiftPlusOne> On the bright side, you get perogies.
[23:58] <TAFB_fish> lol
[23:58] <Laice> good man.
[23:58] <rikkib> My keyboard has a date code of 9902
[23:59] <rikkib> 99th week year 2002
[23:59] <rikkib> maybe
[23:59] <axion> i have a ducky keyboard...very rare

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