#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-13

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[0:00] <Laice> really wish i hadnt just turned my keyboard upside down to look. brb. vacuum.
[0:00] <rikkib> maybe 9th month 9th day
[0:00] <Laice> gonna say 99th week is a bit special :P
[0:00] <Laice> or they didnt let the factory workers see new year
[0:01] <rikkib> haha
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[0:01] <rikkib> looked at what I types and went that can't be right
[0:01] <Laice> hah#
[0:01] <Laice> so is anyone good with hostnames and FQDN's?
[0:02] <rikkib> Still very old at style keyboard with ps/2 adapter
[0:02] <axion> Laice: a more specifi question would help. thats a very wide topic
[0:02] <Laice> will repaste
[0:02] <rikkib> rubber membrane with carbon contacts that can be pulled apart and cleaned
[0:02] <Laice> [22:42] <Laice> know much about hostnames? i own steelrain.co.uk and have 3 dedicateds and the pi i'd all like as subs on the FQDN, i.e the pi would be thor.steelrain.co.uk the master cass.steelrain.co.uk, is it just a case of playing with the dns and /etc/hostname to be able to get to them from anywhere?
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[0:03] <Opinie> I always feel like the last member of a species about to score darwin points, when someone mentions something I don't understand
[0:03] <Laice> FQDN = fully qualified domain name
[0:03] <Opinie> ok
[0:04] <Laice> for the record they're on different networks seperated by wan
[0:04] <Xark> Laice: What is your Q about fqdn?
[0:05] <Laice> pi i'd like to be thor.steelrain.co.uk (i own steelrain.co.uk) main server cass.steelrain.co.uk , and i'd like to be able to type in thor.steelrain.co.uk and have it resolve to the pi, which is on a different network to the main server that steelrain.co.uk points to by DNS
[0:06] <Laice> is it safe to have /etc/hostname on the master as cass.steelrain.co.uk and on the pi as thor.steelrain.co.uk etc etc
[0:06] <Opinie> is there any possibility of one of Hexxeh's firmware updates having done something, which may've affected iptables or ufw?
[0:06] <nid0> so all you need to do is create a new a record for thor to direct to your pi's ip
[0:06] <Xark> Laice: I don't think there is a problem returning (just about) any IP from a domain you control. Of course reverse lookup is different...
[0:06] <Xark> Laice: For example at "mywork.com" I added homemac.mywork.com that resolves to my home static IP (since I didn't like having to remember the number or use long ISP name). :)
[0:07] <Laice> hmm yeah it's the reverse that's going to be interesting lol
[0:07] <linuxstb> BigShip: Apparently "divx 3 low motion" can't be played on the Pi.
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[0:07] <nid0> reverse dns is just down to whether your isp is happy to set it up for you
[0:08] <Laice> virgin media.......not optimistic
[0:08] <nid0> no chance
[0:08] <Xark> Laice: Usually reverse doesn't matter unless you are running a mail server (in which case some other servers expect you to have valid RDNS or assume you are a spammer).
[0:08] <Laice> will only be ssh tunnels and port 80 for a status page
[0:08] <nid0> rdns is irrelevant then
[0:08] <Laice> reason being is i'd like the status page away from the main network incase that faults, so i can more easily pinpoint the fault
[0:09] <Xark> Laice: Then I don't think you really care about reverse in those cases.
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> Laice, your VM IP address probably won't change for a long time, so if you have control over the DNS, then just set the A records to your current IP address.
[0:09] <Xark> Laice: Only thing it may affect is what is recorded in logs. :)
[0:09] <Laice> hell i've had the same VM address for 4 years haha
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> exactly.
[0:09] <nid0> Laice: this status page away from the main network
[0:09] <nid0> your domain's DNS isnt hosted on that network right?
[0:09] * rikkib has static ip on his adsl and rdns so I can run a mail server
[0:09] <axion> divx3 is not MPEG4 compliant
[0:09] <Laice> i'm actually going to be puting the Shiiiiooperhub into modem and putting another router on for dyndns
[0:10] <axion> it is a hacked microsoft windows media format
[0:10] <Laice> so hopefully if it ever does change it shouldnt be a problem
[0:10] <Laice> gotta make sure this is airtight now i'm taking peoples money ha
[0:10] <Xark> rikkib: Even with bogus rdns most domains will accept your mail. So much of the Internet is "misconfigured" they tend to need to. :)
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> Laice, I'd not bother with dyndns for a VM connection... not for a bit of fun, anyway.
[0:11] <Laice> ?
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> you just said your IP address has not changed for 4 years - so why intrdduce another layer to get in the way..
[0:13] * rikkib gets very little spam. I deal to spammers in many ways if they become a problem.
[0:14] <Laice> I guarantee you. Now you've persuaded me not to. It's gonna change. heh.
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[0:17] <gordonDrogon> :)
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> my experience of VM (12 years ago mind!) was that my IP never changed either. I only had them for about a year.
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[0:18] <gordonDrogon> BlueYonder / Teleworst back then.
[0:19] <nid0> I had a sky salesman at the door the other day, tried to pitch me that them using dynamic ips was an advantage over the static IP i specifically pay for now, for "security"
[0:22] <Laice> telewest were really good for me
[0:22] <Laice> extremely low pings and near perfect uptime
[0:23] <TAFB_fish> i love your guys Sky HD :) makes the HD over here look silly :)
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[0:23] <Laice> less attention on us and more on the fish please.
[0:23] <Laice> :P
[0:23] <user82> mgottschlag hi. you were the guy reverse engeneering right?
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[0:23] <TAFB> fish is finished
[0:24] <ShiftPlusOne> user82, he is one of them. #raspberrypi-internals is the channel for that sort of thing.
[0:24] <Laice> is there a minimal image anywhere for literally just the base system (no gui / dm etc)
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[0:24] <user82> hey ShiftPlusOne much appreciated..good to know
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> right. well that works. wiringPiISR()
[0:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Laice, http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianImages
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> a new take on handling interrupts from the GPIO much easier.
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> you don't have to do pthreads because I do it for you...
[0:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Laice, http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages in specific
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[0:25] <Laice> ah ty, was wondering
[0:26] <axion> Laice: arch linux
[0:26] <ShiftPlusOne> ah yes, archlinux is the way to go 'course
[0:26] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought he was asking about raspbian
[0:26] <axion> heh i dont agree with 1-device distros
[0:26] <axion> tried and true ftw
[0:27] <Laice> i'm most familiar with debian varients might have to maek the plunge tho
[0:27] <Laice> make*
[0:27] <Laice> i assume arch is rpm's
[0:27] <axion> umm no
[0:27] <john_f> Primer: hey about your hdmi ground with current on it, I remember a eevblog video where he said that a shorted cap or resistor can cause that. so it could be the tv not the house wiring.
[0:27] <Laice> oh?
[0:28] <axion> compressed tarballs
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> and on that note, time for bed.
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[0:30] <Primer> john_f: interesting
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[0:30] <Primer> john_f: I can feel the current when I touch the cable. Once I ground it, I expect that would change. I surely hope that's what happens
[0:31] <john_f> check for a voltage
[0:32] <john_f> Primer: I would imagine a ungrounded tv would give you a shock, not a continuous current
[0:32] <john_f> but I am not a professional
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[0:34] <BigShip> linuxstb: still around?
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[0:36] <linuxstb> BigShip: Yes
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[0:37] <BigShip> linuxstb: running /media/MULTIBOOT/Evolution.avi returned "Vcodec id unknown: 11"
[0:38] <linuxstb> Yes, the Pi can't play your video.
[0:38] <NullMoogleCable> is there a way to link 2 pi's together with the io and use one for video and the other for os and such?
[0:38] <nid0> no
[0:38] <BigShip> linuxstb: poo. So reformat to mp4 or something then?
[0:39] <Opinie> BigShip: ffmpeg's pretty good at that
[0:39] <BigShip> just get-apt it?
[0:39] <Opinie> jah mon
[0:39] <BigShip> *apt-get thanks
[0:40] <Opinie> then you'll need to google how to convert your file though
[0:40] <Opinie> it's just a command line tool
[0:40] <BigShip> kk ty
[0:40] <knoppies> BigShip, ffmpeg is pretty good at a LOT of things. Its like image-magic for audio and video files.
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[0:41] <BigShip> knoppies: would I be better off just converting it on my desktop (Win7)
[0:41] <axion> ffmpeg -f x11grab....screencast recording :)
[0:41] <linuxstb> BigShip: Yes, don't try and do it on the Pi (it will be very slow)
[0:41] <knoppies> BigShip, not unless you are very afraid of the command line
[0:42] <knoppies> oh, yes. If you are thinking about doing it on the Pi then I think it would be rather slow.
[0:42] <knoppies> I know there are some windows ports of ffmpeg, some of which breach the open source licenses.
[0:42] <BigShip> ooo. better test file. I've got Project X bluray rip already in mp4 :D
[0:42] <knoppies> Most windows ports have a GUI.
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[0:44] <Opinie> o maity sky penguin, thy who knoweth my tribulations, let not UFW pester me again
[0:45] <NullMoogleCable> How fast can you transfer data from one pi to another with 8 data pins?
[0:46] <BigShip> does it matter if you just unplug the pi or should I be shutting it down?
[0:46] <knoppies> NullMoogleCable, I have no idea. I got half way through the question and was going to tell you 10MB/s but if you are using the data pins then I have no idea.
[0:46] <Opinie> BigShip: better to shut it down
[0:46] <Opinie> BigShip: sudo halt
[0:46] <BigShip> Opinie: ty
[0:46] <knoppies> BigShip, there is no HDD to crash (unless you have a USB one inserted) but you could corrupt a file.
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[0:47] <BigShip> Did I mention I love you guys?
[0:47] <BigShip> Seriously, Linux communities <3. Between you guys and the arch community
[0:48] <dniMretsaM> Linux communities are the greatest
[0:48] <knoppies> NullMoogleCable, have you googled to see if other people have tried that? Im rather interested in the results. I would suggest setting it up and doing benchmarks, but I dont know enough about the SOC to even work out the theoretical max.
[0:48] <nabukadnezar43> systemctl poweroff
[0:48] <nabukadnezar43> :)
[0:48] <knoppies> nabukadnezar43, I didnt know that.
[0:49] <knoppies> thanks.
[0:49] <NullMoogleCable> how hard would it be to setup a pi with a minimal bootloader that would act like a gpu for anything you attach to it. say another pi or dockstar
[0:49] <nabukadnezar43> that's if you are using systemd
[0:49] <nabukadnezar43> no problem
[0:51] <NullMoogleCable> kind of like this but using the pi http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhabrahabr.ru%2Fpost%2F164635%2F
[0:52] <Opinie> has any of you set up a time capsule for mac on the Pi?
[0:52] <Opinie> I tried it but my Pi always ended up crashing after 12+ hours
[0:52] <Opinie> maybe due to OC though
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[0:53] * bluesm (~pawel@89-79-177-93.dynamic.chello.pl) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:54] <bluesm> Hi.
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[0:54] <bluesm> Am I able to program raspberry pi with low level language ?
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[0:54] <dniMretsaM> bluesm: C and bare metal are available
[0:54] <nid0> ofc, its just a small nix box
[0:55] <bluesm> Is it good thing to learn how to deal with ARM ?
[0:55] <bluesm> dniMretsaM: bare mental ?
[0:55] <ShiftPlusOne> bluesm, yup. I would recommend writting linux programs in ASM, rather than bare metal though.
[0:56] <ShiftPlusOne> bluesm, bare metal being just straight on the cpu without a kernel or OS of any kind.
[0:56] <plugwash> "bare metal" means programming the hardware directly with no OS, while it can be done with the Pi it's not something I would really reccomend. The Pi was designed to have an OS
[0:57] <nabukadnezar43> well even if you rip the arm processor out, i'd recommend using C to program it
[0:57] <ShiftPlusOne> If you want to fiddle with assembly without an OS, then AVR is a much better intro, though it's a different instruction set to ARM
[0:58] <bluesm> ShiftPlusOne: AVR ?
[0:58] <nabukadnezar43> atmel avr, a microprocessor
[0:58] <ShiftPlusOne> atmega32, for example
[0:58] <wachpwnski> does any usb keyboard work with the pi?
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[0:59] <knoppies> wachpwnski, YES! many.
[0:59] <nabukadnezar43> wachpwnski, google and you'll find a huge list of working keyboards, mice etc.
[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne> not any though
[0:59] <knoppies> wachpwnski, are you having issues with your keyboard?
[0:59] <nabukadnezar43> there was an official list i think
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[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne> nabukadnezar43, surely not officil.
[0:59] <bluesm> Ok. But I want to understand why ARM architecture is so popular. And why this takes so little power.
[1:00] <nabukadnezar43> i thought i was a list of working peripherals on rpi site itself
[1:00] <nabukadnezar43> *was=saw
[1:00] <plugwash> don't think there is an official list, there is a list on elinux.org of stuff people have tested and "verified" to work but unfortunately just because something works or doesn't work for one person doesn't mean everyone else will have the same experiance
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[1:00] <wachpwnski> knoppies: i just plugged it in an numlock doesn't work
[1:01] <bluesm> ShiftPlusOne: Could you recommend me something for newbie? I have only experience with JS PHP python (script languages) and little experience dealing with GNU/Linux (debian)
[1:01] <knoppies> wachpwnski, I dont know of that issue. Do other keys work? Does your keyboard have a built in USB hub?
[1:01] <wachpwnski> is there a way to make an on off switch for this thing?
[1:01] <ShiftPlusOne> bluesm, what would you like to gain?
[1:02] <bluesm> ShiftPlusOne: First of all. General hardware overview for newbie. :)
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> bluesm, don't think I am the guy to ask.
[1:03] <nabukadnezar43> bluesm, if you want to learn how arm operates, learn arm assembly
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[1:04] <nabukadnezar43> i don't know arm assembly myself, but i used asm before to program intel 80x86 (16-bit) processors and a few microcontrollers
[1:04] <bluesm> nabukadnezar43: Right. Because I'm more software guy. Could you link me something related to ARM assembly with view on raspberry pi ?
[1:04] <bluesm> nabukadnezar43: Mhm :)
[1:05] <nabukadnezar43> it has nothing to do with pi, it's the processor
[1:05] <nabukadnezar43> you have to check the processor's datasheet
[1:05] <wachpwnski> what block size do i use to dd an image?
[1:06] <ShiftPlusOne> bluesm, at the most basic (basic as in core, not simplest) level: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/
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[1:08] <bluesm> ShiftPlusOne: Ok Thank you very much :)
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[1:08] <nabukadnezar43> bluesm, you want to learn electronics and i want to learn software programming, you can never satisfy human beings :)
[1:09] <user82> bluesm are you planning on "bare metal" with no os?
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[1:10] <ShiftPlusOne> bluesm, but what you've said is too broad to recommend anything in specific. I liked programming a calculator for atmega32 in assembly. It taught me how busses work, how the standard lcd char display is interfaced, how to read a keypad and so on. It really helped bridge my electrical engineering knowledge with my software knowledge. Having said that, I only scratched the surface. I would really
[1:10] <ShiftPlusOne> recommend "The elements of computing systems" by Nisan and Schocken as well... excellent book.
[1:10] <bluesm> user82: I'm planning to tinker with that. My teacher, (That is very smart guy) said that the best programmers have to know assembly...
[1:10] <ShiftPlusOne> bluesm, shh... don't say that here!
[1:11] <bluesm> ShiftPlusOne: Why ?
[1:11] * dniMretsaM resists the urge to argue about that
[1:11] <user82> oh ok bluesm ... well i just took parts of the tutorial from ShiftPlusOnes link and made it for "c"
[1:11] * plugwash wouldn't always assume teachers are very smart
[1:11] <ShiftPlusOne> ^ that's why
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[1:11] <nabukadnezar43> ShiftPlusOne, what's your bachelor? electronics or computer
[1:11] <ShiftPlusOne> electrical engineering (haven't finished yet)
[1:11] <user82> i think you need a lot of training to beat a modern compiler? or am i wrong
[1:11] <plugwash> There are certainly some very smart teachers out there but there are also people who got into teaching because they weren't all that smart and through it was a relatively easy option
[1:12] <user82> like professional level of programming
[1:12] <ShiftPlusOne> (and business managment, but that doesn't count as a degree)
[1:12] <bluesm> ShiftPlusOne: This teacher is unique for my entire high-school :)
[1:12] <nabukadnezar43> ShiftPlusOne, you're quite good man, i'm holding msc in electronics but meh
[1:12] <TAFB> is /tmp "tmpfs" i.e. the ram drive?
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[1:13] <user82> bluesm you will understand the inner workings of the hardware as in no other language...but i think asm will not be more efficient than c code
[1:13] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB, /tmp doesn't have to be tmpfs. tmpfs is a 'ram drive', yes. But /tmp is usually junk that gets deleted when you restart, so it's a good idea to run it from ram)
[1:13] <Opinie> TAFB: I don't think so, but I base that on absolutely nothing
[1:13] <plugwash> The thing with assembler is that processors nowadays are so varied, learning assembler used to teach you what operations were "cheap" and what operations were "expensive" but that varies so much between processors nowadays that learning assembler for one processor family won't teach you much about what is cheap on different processors
[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne> It's still a good exercise though
[1:14] <nabukadnezar43> i got into programming late but i'm really loving it
[1:14] <bluesm> ShiftPlusOne: Wow this is excellent link :). Thank you :)
[1:14] <plugwash> As an extreme example on pic18 the compiler will sometimes turn shifts into multiplies (which is the opposite of conventional wisdom but given the pic18 architecture it makes sense)
[1:14] <user82> plugwash i think a modern compiler is faster than you for a year at least? or am i too optimistic for the compiler
[1:15] <ShiftPlusOne> bluesm, have fun, but don't expect to write the next linux. =)
[1:15] <user82> i am stuck at interrupts for today..tomorrow i will get them running :P
[1:15] <nabukadnezar43> bluesm, i'd recommend you start with something simpler, arm can be daunting for you
[1:16] <ShiftPlusOne> +1
[1:16] <plugwash> I think it depends a LOT on the processor family, on simple processors like PICs someone who knows the architecture can fairly easilly do better than a compiler if they are prepared to put the work in. On more modern powerful architectures it's much harder to beat a compiler because to do so requires a very deep understanding of said architecture
[1:16] <nabukadnezar43> start with avrs or pics, 8-bit or 14-bit
[1:16] <plugwash> also modern architectures tend to be more "compiler friendly"
[1:16] <bluesm> user82: Ok. So if I have enough time before I die to understand both approach. I'll do this :)
[1:16] <TAFB> "tmpfs tmpfs 61M 16K 60M 1% /tmp"
[1:16] <TAFB> yep, tis ram :)
[1:16] <user82> good for you bluesm ... i personally like to work with c for my programs
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[1:16] <bluesm> nabukadnezar43: You recommend tinker with C on raspberry pi :)
[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> I would
[1:17] <bluesm> nabukadnezar43: With operating system :)
[1:17] <nabukadnezar43> or even python
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[1:17] <nabukadnezar43> hehe
[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think I would recommend python for someone interested in hardware.
[1:18] <user82> python is like a nice sandbox with someone who hands you the toys and cleans up after you...really a friendly language :D
[1:18] <nabukadnezar43> well he said he wanted to learn asm
[1:18] <bluesm> nabukadnezar43: I know Structures of python. So you just recommend to tinker with python on Raspberry pi ? :)
[1:18] <nabukadnezar43> he should start with something simple
[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne> bluesm, you'll get as many recommendations as there are people here. Start with whatever you like, jump from one language to another, until you find something you like, since that's what you'll end up doing anyway.
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[1:19] <nabukadnezar43> there are libraries for high level languages for programming even gpio pins
[1:19] <bluesm> nabukadnezar43: You recommend to install debian on Raspberry pi and then python interpreter and then tinker with api ?
[1:20] <bluesm> ShiftPlusOne: Ok thank you very very much :)
[1:20] <nabukadnezar43> i recommend installing linux on it and tinker with it using C or python
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[1:21] <nabukadnezar43> but ofc you can go ahead and learn arm assembly
[1:21] <bluesm> nabukadnezar43: Ok :)
[1:21] <nabukadnezar43> you'll still need linux for asm
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[1:22] <bluesm> nabukadnezar43: Ok. But I do not understand what would be a different if I just try do the same on regular computer :)
[1:22] <nabukadnezar43> bluesm, well rpi is a computer with gpio pins
[1:22] <TAFB> wow!!! woot :) My php caching technology now runs entirely in the tmpfs/ramdrive! does NO writes to the SD card at all, and serves the websites right out of ram :) sweeeeeeeet.
[1:23] <nabukadnezar43> and there are libraries for high level languages for programming gpio pins
[1:23] <TAFB> http://tafb.yi.org/
[1:23] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB, limit your site spam to once per day... use it wisely.
[1:23] <nabukadnezar43> bluesm, what i'm saying start small if your purpose is learning asm
[1:23] <TAFB> :)
[1:23] <TAFB> had to show the new loading from ram speedz
[1:23] <nabukadnezar43> arm is 32-bit you know, too many instructions
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[1:25] <user82> it is freaking complex compared to an avr device...but this thing is crazy fast :)
[1:25] <bluesm> nabukadnezar43: Start slowly. Ok I get that. Thank you very much :)
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[1:29] <ShiftPlusOne> I found VMLab very handy. It can simulate a lot of microcontrollers and some components like LCDs. You can single step through and see exactly what's going on in the registers and so on. http://www.amctools.com/vmlab.htm
[1:30] <nabukadnezar43> bluesm, people widely use gcc-arm to program standalone arm chips by the way
[1:30] <ShiftPlusOne> (again, that's AVR though, which might not be what you're after)
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[1:32] <user82> in a 32bit system that would not be working i guess since the internal calculation overflows? uint32_t i = 1;i<=1<<32-1;
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[1:38] <seba-> who decided to not put minisd card slot
[1:38] <seba-> instead of sd
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[1:38] <seba-> i want to know
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[1:39] <ShiftPlusOne> all of them
[1:39] <knoppies> seba-, I think they were more worried about price and availability for low income kids.
[1:40] <knoppies> seba-, but I agree with you. Although its easier to get a minisd -> sd card adapter than the other way around.
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[1:40] <ShiftPlusOne> I think the cited reason was that they found microsd too small and annoying for something you might be swapping out quite often. I sure as hell don't like dropping microsd cards
[1:41] <ShiftPlusOne> And I suppose they are more child friendly, since they're hard to fit up the nose. Though I haven't tested that theory.
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[1:42] <[deXter]> Hmm, that could certainly be a design consideration.
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[1:47] <user82> trying to cross compile and added math.h to the linker. this is what happens: http://pastebin.com/vyn0DbU4
[1:47] <user82> does anyone know how to solve it..?
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[1:49] <linuxstb> Are you sure you have the right cross-compiler? I think you need something arm-linux- not arm-none-
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[1:50] <user82> linuxstb since i am creating bare metal programs: yes
[1:50] <user82> i have no linux in my system
[1:50] <user82> that is working so far..just linking math is not
[1:51] <linuxstb> OK, then it's a problem with your linker script.
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[1:52] <user82> linuxstb maybe yes. where is that script?
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[1:53] <user82> i am not really into this stuff...the makefile was created by a friend of mine
[1:53] <linuxstb> Normally you write it yourself if you're building a raw ARM binary. It's been a few years since I've done it.
[1:53] <linuxstb> Do you have a .lds file somewhere in your project?
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[1:54] <user82> linuxstb i do not have one...can it be included in the makefile?
[1:54] <user82> http://pastebin.com/YGwesAKN
[1:54] <user82> this is my makefile..
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[1:55] <linuxstb> It look to be the memmap file
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[1:55] <user82> oh yes..i got that one. there i can add the stuff?
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[1:57] <user82> http://pastebin.com/qdsRy4tf this it it linuxstb
[1:57] <linuxstb> Yes, you'll need to at least have a .rodata.* section But I can't really help any more - a) it's time for bed; b) as I said, it's been a few years and I've forgotten how it all works. I also don't know the RAM layout etc of the Pi.
[1:58] <linuxstb> Maybe just try ".rodata : { *(.rodata*) } > ram" after the bss line
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[1:59] <user82> linuxstb works now
[1:59] <user82> thank you very much!
[1:59] <linuxstb> "text" is your program's code. "bss" are the zero-initialised variables. rodata is constant data (which you were missing).
[1:59] <linuxstb> Hope it runs!
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[2:04] <seba-> what to use
[2:04] <seba-> if you have no monitor
[2:04] <seba-> which distro has ssh
[2:04] <seba-> enabled by default
[2:04] <ShiftPlusOne> all
[2:04] <ShiftPlusOne> at least arch and raspbian
[2:04] <seba-> hm
[2:05] <seba-> is there a guide on leds
[2:05] <seba-> i have PWR red
[2:05] <seba-> that's about it
[2:05] <seba-> lol
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[2:05] <ShiftPlusOne> and you flashed the sd card image onto the card and everything?
[2:05] <seba-> i'll try now with the raspbian official
[2:05] <seba-> hm
[2:06] <seba-> have to download it first
[2:06] <seba-> 3 m ETA
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[2:06] <ShiftPlusOne> So... you were asking why only the red light is on when you don't have a distro on the sd card? O_o
[2:08] <rikkib> red power next geen full duplex next green link light last 100 mbit
[2:08] <rikkib> orange
[2:08] <seba-> ShiftPlusOne, no no i have
[2:09] <rikkib> first led is sd activity
[2:09] <seba-> hexxxehimage because it says it has sshd enabled by default
[2:09] <seba-> oh
[2:09] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[2:09] <seba-> it's dead
[2:09] <seba-> hm
[2:09] <seba-> it doesn't blink
[2:09] <rikkib> RPi need dhcp
[2:09] <ShiftPlusOne> is it dimply lit at all?
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[2:10] <seba-> maybe
[2:10] <ShiftPlusOne> (the ok/acct light)
[2:10] <seba-> act is maybe very dimly green
[2:10] <seba-> hard to see
[2:10] <seba-> with the red
[2:10] <seba-> shining so bright
[2:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Either you flashed it wrong somehow, the sd card is unsupported or is not making a proper contact with the card holder, or magic I am not aware of.
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[2:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Which steps did you take to flash the image and did you have a working OS at any stage running on the pi?
[2:13] <seba-> flashed with win32 disk imager
[2:13] <seba-> onto the SD card
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[2:23] <seba-> ShiftPlusOne ok now it works
[2:23] <seba-> it was a bad image
[2:23] <ShiftPlusOne> hm =/
[2:23] <seba-> hexxxehimage doesn't work for me
[2:23] <seba-> http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[2:23] <seba-> mod b, rev 2
[2:24] <wachpwnski> anyone else getting crazy lag running the aeon skin with rpi?
[2:24] <wachpwnski> I wouldn't be surprised if this was normal.
[2:24] <seba-> ok it got ip
[2:24] <seba-> cool
[2:25] <seba-> ShiftPlusOne, what is the default ssh user/pass
[2:25] <ShiftPlusOne> seba-, official or hexxeh?
[2:25] <turndevil> as far as i read online, the aeon skins are taking too much ressources
[2:25] <seba-> ShiftPlusOne, official
[2:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Username: pi Password: raspberry
[2:26] <seba-> awesome
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[2:27] <seba-> it owrks
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[2:36] <UnaClocker> ShiftPlusOne: How'd you know my login and password?!?! hehehe
[2:36] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[2:37] <seba-> lol
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[2:56] <mdszy> what types of video should the Raspi be able to play without the licenses?
[2:56] <ParkerR> h264
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[2:56] <ParkerR> avi files
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[2:57] <seba-> which webserver should i put on r.pi
[2:57] <seba-> what are the reccomendations
[2:57] <seba-> hm
[2:57] <ShiftPlusOne> nginx
[2:58] <ParkerR> Or lighttpd if you want something very simple to setup. (On config file and easy to get php working with it)
[2:58] <Opinie> I like lighttpd, but that's just because it's the only web server I've ever had running
[2:58] <ParkerR> *One
[2:59] <seba-> how should i generate new ssh keys, i mean where's the path where they are stored
[2:59] <seba-> lol
[2:59] <ParkerR> ~/.ssh
[2:59] <ShiftPlusOne> I've been told there are memory leaks in lighttpd. Haven't bothered to check though, since random people on the internet are a reliable source of information.
[3:00] <seba-> lol
[3:00] <seba-> ah /etc/ssh ok
[3:00] <seba-> lol
[3:00] <Opinie> random people are the reason my pi is running
[3:01] <Opinie> random people very much consisting of people on this channel...
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[3:02] <BigShip> <3 random people because my Pi works now
[3:02] <seba-> ok i'm regenerating keys
[3:02] <seba-> of ssh
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[3:02] <seba-> i'm making my ssh server secure
[3:02] <seba-> wooohoo
[3:02] <BigShip> (ie: Opinie being one of them)
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[3:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, I do like the people on this channel. Partially because I can ban the ones I don't (not that I would >.>)
[3:02] <Opinie> BigShip: I'm pretty much just aping what people have told me here before
[3:02] <seba-> lol
[3:03] <seba-> anyway, sudo rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*;sudo dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server
[3:03] <Opinie> sort of script kid mentality mine is
[3:03] <Opinie> *a
[3:03] <seba-> if anybody is paranoid
[3:03] <Opinie> *kiddie
[3:03] <seba-> as i am
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[3:05] <BigShip> Yayyy video playing.
[3:05] <BigShip> crap, no sound -_-
[3:05] <Opinie> I've actually started considering studying computer science in uni
[3:05] <nico_> I have a question...
[3:06] <Opinie> nico_: shoot
[3:06] <nico_> I dont have any HDMI cables, or monitors or TVs with HDMI, I do have an old CRT monitor that can be connected with USB. I have a USB hub to connect 8 USB devices into one USB port, would I be able to connect a Keyboard, Mouse, Wifi Card, Hard Drive, and Monitor?
[3:06] <Opinie> BigShip: what player are you using?
[3:06] <BigShip> omxplayer
[3:06] <ParkerR> nico_, Umm how is an old CRT hooking up via USB?
[3:06] <nico_> 1993.
[3:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Opinie, consider your degree carefully, make sure it's something that interests you. The last few years of uni can get pretty intense if you don't care about what you're studying.
[3:07] <Opinie> BigShip: you did it like this omxplayer -o hdmi /path/to/file.mp4 ?
[3:07] <ParkerR> nico_, That would be VGA not USB
[3:07] <mdszy> Do you need a license to play OGG files?
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[3:07] <nico_> ParkerR: no it actually has a USB and 2 VGA's its very modern for its time.
[3:07] <nico_> I can get a picture if you want.
[3:07] <seba-> mdszy, ogg are super free
[3:08] <seba-> i think freebsd license
[3:08] <Opinie> ShiftPlusOne: to be honest, I already have a place in a computer science department among a few other places
[3:08] <mdszy> i thought so, just didn't know why this ogg stream I'm trying to do wasn't playing
[3:08] <Opinie> *with
[3:08] <ParkerR> nico_, I don't think the USB on that does video
[3:08] <BigShip> Opinie: nope! ty if works :)
[3:08] <ParkerR> Maybe it's justa hub
[3:08] <BigShip> *it
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> does the hardware support accelerated ogg?
[3:08] <ParkerR> *just a hub
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[3:09] <pksato> 1993 monitor with USB?
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[3:09] <ParkerR> pksato, Yeah I'm almost calling bs
[3:09] <Opinie> BigShip: so now you'll start setting up xbmc, am I rite?
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[3:10] <pksato> usb 1.0 are introduced in 1996.
[3:11] <BigShip> Opinie: Why? Wouldn't I not be able to use raspian then?
[3:11] <Opinie> BigShip: xbmc is just a program, I have it running on raspbian
[3:11] <BigShip> oh, i thought that was a bootable thing
[3:11] <Opinie> just need to fiddle round with memory split whenever I want to use it
[3:11] <Opinie> BigShip: that's raspbmc
[3:12] <BigShip> kk ty
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[3:12] <Opinie> BigShip: I think some people can even watch live tv and web streams with the pi using xbmc
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[3:13] <Opinie> actually, I'm not sure if web stream is quite the right word what I mean is videos like the ones hosted on youtube and other similar sites
[3:13] <BigShip> with this overclocked its PERFECT. Psyched
[3:13] <nico_> ParkerR: http://imgur.com/aH87d
[3:14] <ParkerR> Might be to control the moitor somehow
[3:14] <ParkerR> *monitor
[3:14] <ParkerR> Like it may have come with software to adjust settings
[3:14] <ParkerR> And it did that via USB
[3:14] <nico_> well is there a way to connect the raspberrypi with vga
[3:14] <ParkerR> USB to VGA
[3:15] <nico_> thats a thing?
[3:15] <ParkerR> Basically a USB video card
[3:15] <ParkerR> But
[3:15] <pksato> HD<I to VGA
[3:15] <ParkerR> Better yet
[3:15] <ParkerR> HDMI to VGA
[3:15] <ParkerR> Yeah
[3:15] <mdszy> ergh
[3:15] * mdszy tries to get video to stream
[3:15] <pksato> $10 on ebay or china sites.
[3:16] <mdszy> okay, so the audio streams, just not the video
[3:16] <mdszy> :s
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[3:20] <Opinie> BigShip: I think I used this guy's instructions for setting up xbmc successfully
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[3:20] <Opinie> http://iggy82.blogspot.fi/2012/08/pre-compiled-xbmc-for-raspbian.html
[3:21] <mdszy> ah ha!
[3:22] <mdszy> got it ;d
[3:22] <mdszy> *:D
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[3:22] <Opinie> BigShip: there's a typoed extra space somewhere in that apt-get litany that you need to remove, I think
[3:22] <nico_> I found one for 6 dollars at frys
[3:23] <nico_> Now I cant afford some patches
[3:23] <nico_> or that gasmask
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[3:24] <BigShip> Opinie: I'll set it up right now, It's annoying not to be able to pause and minimize with omxplayer
[3:24] <ParkerR> BigShip, p
[3:24] <Opinie> BigShip: actually you can pause just by hitting space
[3:24] <ParkerR> Or space pauses
[3:24] <ParkerR> q quits
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[3:26] <BigShip> Opinie: yeah, p pauses but it's still full screen
[3:26] <ParkerR> Yeah
[3:26] <ParkerR> What ekse do you expect to do?
[3:26] <ParkerR> Pi really isn't suited for multitasking
[3:26] <ParkerR> *else
[3:27] <BigShip> I'd like to be able to pause and minimize. Just made a new case and I'd like to be able to check the temp during the movie
[3:27] <BigShip> can it handle that?
[3:27] <ParkerR> You could check via SSH
[3:27] <ParkerR> While the vieo is playing
[3:27] <Opinie> the temp's nothing to worry about really
[3:27] <ParkerR> *video
[3:27] <BigShip> hmm, I do need to set SSH up still. Never done it though
[3:27] <Opinie> unless you live somewhere tropic
[3:28] <Opinie> ssh is already set up in raspbian
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[3:28] <BigShip> Opinie: it's a pretty tight lego case, just want to make sure
[3:28] <ParkerR> BigShip, Simple. if it isn't instaled just sudo apt-get install openssh
[3:28] <ParkerR> *installed
[3:28] <BigShip> Opinie: i mean i've just never used SSH ever, on any computer
[3:28] <ParkerR> And it starts after install
[3:28] <Opinie> bigship: ssh pi@ip-address
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[3:29] <Opinie> or pi@raspberrypi.local
[3:29] <Opinie> if you're using avahi-daemon
[3:29] <BigShip> oh wow that's easy. Uh, linux terminal command similar to ipconfig?
[3:29] <ParkerR> Yeah
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[3:29] <BigShip> *Is there a linux terminal command similar to ipconfig?
[3:30] <mdszy> BigShip, ifconfig
[3:30] <BigShip> mdszy: typed it in, got nothing?
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[3:30] <ParkerR> sudo ifconfig
[3:30] <mdszy> BigShip, what distro?
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[3:30] <BigShip> raspbian
[3:30] <mdszy> you typed it wrong, then
[3:31] <BigShip> ohhh, misread that
[3:31] <BigShip> thanks
[3:31] <mdszy> np
[3:32] <Opinie> I should get more Pis
[3:32] <BigShip> Agreed. I wanna set up a home theater for the downstairs tv. Figure Pi is a good way to go
[3:33] <mythos> erm... then just use one of those images/distributions made for this purpose
[3:34] <BigShip> Oh, no I mean get another pi and do it with that. This pi is basically just gonna be a toy
[3:37] <Opinie> BigShip: how's that xbmc coming along?
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[3:38] <BigShip> Opinie: workin on it. Just openining the page on midori so I can copy it in. I think I see that space
[3:39] <Opinie> BigShip: pro tip: just use ssh and synergy to access the pi so you're not stuck sitting in front of it
[3:39] <Opinie> or rather, not stuck sitting in front of just the Pi
[3:40] <BigShip> On win7 on this PC, still haven't set up ssh
[3:40] <Opinie> use putty
[3:40] <BigShip> kk
[3:40] <Opinie> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
[3:40] <BigShip> grrr, too fast for me
[3:42] <Opinie> BigShip: avahi-daemon will make your life easier if your internal ip's are constantly changing like mine are
[3:42] <TAFB> i like putty :)
[3:42] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/FlashlightStuff/LensOffPoolTable_L.png
[3:43] <Prime326> Opinie: what does avahi do?
[3:43] <ParkerR> Prime326, Gives the Pi a local name
[3:43] <Opinie> with it you can access your pi just by using a name
[3:43] <Opinie> like raspberrypi.local
[3:43] <Opinie> so you'd ssh to it like this, for example, ssh pi@raspberrypi.local
[3:44] <Prime326> Opinie: but how dow does that get around dynamic IPs?
[3:44] <BigShip> and that does what, search the network for pi?
[3:44] <ParkerR> That references the Pi's address
[3:44] <Prime326> no it resolves the name to a specific address
[3:44] <Prime326> what PartkerR said
[3:44] <BigShip> :)
[3:45] <ParkerR> So whatever address the Pi has raspberrypi.local will always point to it
[3:46] <Opinie> is it blasphemy to name a Pi as strawberrypi?
[3:46] <ParkerR> Hahaha
[3:46] <BigShip> maybe rubarb? Keeps the initials at least ;)
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[3:47] <ParkerR> Umm
[3:47] <ParkerR> rspbrypi
[3:47] <ParkerR> I don't see how rubarb has the initials
[3:47] <BigShip> Btw, does anyone know how to ssh on a chromebook? I'm in crosh
[3:48] <ParkerR> Try ssh
[3:48] <BigShip> typed that, now its ssh>
[3:48] <BigShip> do i just type in the IP?
[3:48] <ParkerR> Ok try typing pi@ipaddress
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[3:49] <BigShip> ParkerR: comes up with a menu of commands
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[3:49] <ParkerR> BigShip, what does it say?
[3:50] <BigShip> its a big list... I'll check google and come back if I can't find it
[3:50] <dniMretsaM> hi again everyone
[3:50] <BigShip> hiya
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[3:55] <dniMretsaM> I need to get a dedicated monitor/TV for my Pi
[3:55] <Torikun> hdmi tv
[3:55] <Opinie> wai?
[3:55] <dniMretsaM> having to sit in the basement every time I want to work on it is a pain
[3:55] <Opinie> dniMretsaM: just use vnc buddy
[3:56] <Torikun> what if he can not connect to it
[3:56] <dniMretsaM> Opinie: VNC is a pain. I prefer forwarding X over SSH. But I'd prefer to be able to have my laptop and the Pi side-by-side
[3:57] <Opinie> k :)
[3:57] <dniMretsaM> good thought, though
[3:57] <Opinie> too bad mac's don't support virtual displays otherwise I'd be using the pi's display as a third monitor
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[3:57] <Opinie> now I make-do with synergy
[3:57] <Opinie> like an animal
[3:58] <seba-> http://[2001:15c0:677e:0:ba27:ebff:fec7:272e]/
[3:58] <seba-> does this work?
[3:58] <Torikun> ipb6?
[3:58] <Torikun> ipv6?
[3:58] <seba-> yes of course
[3:58] <seba-> who uses ipv4 these days anyway
[3:58] <dniMretsaM> I also like the retro-ishness of using a TV. I've been kicking around the idea creating a C64 or Apple II style computer with my Pi
[3:58] <Dagger2> no, it doesn't work
[3:58] <Torikun> no work
[3:58] <seba-> hm
[3:59] <Dagger2> I can ping the IP. connection refused on port 80
[3:59] <Opinie> dniMretsaM: they take quite a bit of space though :-|
[4:00] <seba-> hm
[4:00] <dniMretsaM> very true. but I can spare it for now
[4:00] <BigShip> ParkerR: woohoo got it!
[4:00] <Opinie> ah, that's nice
[4:00] <ParkerR> BigShip, What was it?
[4:01] <BigShip> uh, you type: host <ipadress> then user <username> then connect
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[4:01] <ParkerR> Ahh
[4:01] <ParkerR> Weird ssh build XD
[4:02] <BigShip> yeah, it makes since it's just weird with no echo
[4:04] <BigShip> hmmm, how does one start xbmc?
[4:04] <ParkerR> Umm
[4:04] <ParkerR> You woud run XBMC on the Pi
[4:04] <ParkerR> Not over SSH
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[4:05] <BigShip> just ran /usr/lib/xbmc.bin on the pi, no luck
[4:05] <BigShip> its also in the menu, but clicking doesn't start it
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[4:05] <ParkerR> Oh yeah
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[4:05] <ParkerR> Not when X is running
[4:06] <BigShip> oh, kk
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[4:07] <Opinie> BigShip: it's that path you tried but just /xbmc/xbmc.bin
[4:07] <BigShip> ah, perfect
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[4:07] <seba-> ok
[4:07] <seba-> now it works
[4:07] <seba-> http://rpi.seba.eu.org.ipv4.sixxs.org/
[4:07] <seba-> WOOOHOOO
[4:07] <seba-> lol
[4:08] <Torikun> it works
[4:08] <Torikun> seba-: do any load balancing with nginx yet?
[4:08] <Torikun> I did today, it's awesome and easy
[4:08] <Opinie> BigShip: might want to adjust memory split
[4:08] <seba-> no, just installed
[4:08] <seba-> r.pi for 1st time
[4:08] <seba-> lol
[4:08] <Torikun> nice
[4:09] <Torikun> I got 1 pi for db, 1 pi for php, and 1 pi for site
[4:09] <seba-> lol
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[4:09] <BigShip> Opinie: i've actually already been using it at 128mb. Pi always seems to max out cpu before it can use the full 512mb anyways
[4:10] <Opinie> BigShip: also running the pi at turbo always makes xbmc crash for me
[4:10] <seba-> http://rpi.seba.eu.org/ this is ipv6 only
[4:10] <seba-> hm
[4:10] <Opinie> don't know about you
[4:10] <seba-> does it work?
[4:10] <BigShip> Opinie: so far turbo hasn't given me any issues, it's running like a dream :)
[4:10] <Opinie> :)
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[4:11] <Opinie> guess mines a bit of a dud
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[4:11] <BigShip> Opinie: maybe just your psu?
[4:11] <Opinie> BigShip: what's that?
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[4:12] <lunra> Just an obvious warning that you probably don't need to hear: do not reverse-bias a Pi, it has no protection.
[4:13] * lunra just killed his Pi. Should have been bothered to get the voltmeter out to check the polarity first >_>
[4:15] <Opinie> night night everyone
[4:16] <BigShip> night! ALso, xbmc just booted :)
[4:16] <dniMretsaM> night Opinie
[4:16] <BigShip> thanks
[4:16] <Opinie> BigShip: np
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[4:16] <Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com powered by multiple Rasperry PI's
[4:19] <BigShip> Torikun: thanks, site already helped. Disabling syslogs!
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[4:21] <Torikun> np BigShip
[4:21] <Torikun> =)
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[4:30] <blahee> yeah. "Raspberrypi status page" -> cpuinfo -> model name: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8600 @ 2.40GHz
[4:30] <blahee> kernel centos+ for centos6 :)
[4:30] <Torikun> blahee: lol
[4:31] <Torikun> one of the nginx load balancers is my lenovo
[4:31] <Torikun> the website is currently powered by 2 pi's
[4:31] <Torikun> and 1 lenovo
[4:31] <TAFB> lol, nice
[4:31] <Torikun> the thrid pi arrives soon to replace the lenovo
[4:31] <TAFB> you need to add a | cut -c1-80 on the cpuinfo line :)
[4:31] <Torikun> lol
[4:32] <Torikun> yup
[4:32] <Torikun> That one is only temp
[4:32] <Torikun> lol
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[4:32] <TAFB> so you're gonna have one 256mb Pi and two 512's?
[4:32] <Torikun> Yup
[4:33] <Torikun> I even setup my daughters room pi (256mb) for nginx
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[4:33] <Torikun> lol
[4:33] <TAFB> nice!
[4:33] <TAFB> i love nginx :)
[4:33] <Torikun> Load balancing was easy
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[4:33] <Torikun> =)
[4:33] <TAFB> nice!
[4:33] <TAFB> now lets see some load balancing AND caching ;)
[4:34] <TAFB> and hey!!!
[4:34] <TAFB> I improved my caching technology! it now caches the dynamic pages in RAM!!! http://tafb.yi.org
[4:34] <DooMMasteR> so I found a youtube video that does actually not play on the po
[4:34] <DooMMasteR> pi
[4:34] <TAFB> it caches them there and uses symbolic links to nginx pulls em right out ram too :)
[4:34] <Torikun> https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1Jah0fJ_LDQitazr4Vl8Cs4osBSDBQWtv339yU0soN_g/edit
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[4:34] <Torikun> My Pi layout
[4:34] <TAFB> DooMMasteR: only some videos play on the pi :(
[4:35] <DooMMasteR> nah it is h264
[4:35] <DooMMasteR> it fullfills all requirements to play
[4:35] <DooMMasteR> but it won't
[4:36] <DooMMasteR> the 1080p version wont play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Q8cdeKVqY
[4:36] <DooMMasteR> it may be a datarate problem???
[4:36] <DooMMasteR> but it is a bit disturbing
[4:36] <modem> :)
[4:36] <modem> anyone else have gentoo on their pi?
[4:36] <Torikun> I wish
[4:36] <Torikun> lol
[4:37] <modem> not that hard :)
[4:37] <modem> I'm 14 and it was easy for me to set up.
[4:37] <Torikun> Nice
[4:37] <modem> they have precompiled kernels, now.
[4:37] <Torikun> Yeah
[4:37] <Torikun> is there a generic image to flash it with with bare minimum?
[4:37] <modem> I have gentoo on all my devices
[4:37] <modem> except my primary computer
[4:37] <modem> newp.
[4:37] <Torikun> I used to love Gentoo
[4:38] <modem> you install it like you normally do.
[4:38] <Torikun> how
[4:38] <modem> eh
[4:38] * modem goes over to laptop
[4:38] <Torikun> On a normal computer, you get a cd rom to boot from and start the stage 3
[4:38] <modem> you use a different computer in most occasions
[4:39] <modem> you extract the stage, clone the binary kernel, and copy the stuffs.
[4:39] <modem> it got working for me very esasily
[4:39] <modem> but for some reason net.eth0 doesn't work on boot
[4:40] <modem> you start it manually, merge dhcpcd, and reboot.
[4:40] <modem> then it works.
[4:40] <Torikun> ah
[4:40] <modem> about to start compiling wpa_supplicant and wireless-tools.
[4:40] <modem> I have a usb dongle that is linux-ready.
[4:40] <Torikun> Gentoo kills SD cards
[4:40] <Torikun> lol
[4:40] <modem> here comes the link:
[4:40] <modem> have to type it:
[4:41] <modem> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Quick_Install_Guide
[4:41] <Torikun> Nice
[4:41] <modem> yeah, i'm getting a larger SD very soon
[4:41] <Torikun> copile it on your main machine and rsync the perfect imaeg over
[4:42] <modem> I clocked mine to 900MHz
[4:42] <modem> no
[4:42] <Torikun> 960 here
[4:42] <modem> no compiling necessary on a computer other than the pi
[4:42] <Torikun> My Lenovo CPU is cooler than my PI CPU
[4:43] <modem> you just tune the settings, like /etc/fstab, extract the stuffs, and continue what you would do on an intel gentoo install
[4:43] <modem> hehe.
[4:43] <Torikun> Sweet
[4:43] <Torikun> I am using Arch now on all my Pi's
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[4:43] <modem> :/
[4:43] <modem> archlinux ARM has a small repo
[4:43] <modem> no games D:<
[4:43] <Torikun> I know!
[4:43] <dr_willis> i havent really seen much compelling reason to not use rasbian
[4:43] <modem> (main reason I switched over to gentoo.)
[4:43] <Torikun> Just the basic games modem like kde and gnome
[4:44] <modem> gentoo's repo is about as big as it is for other processors, on the pi.
[4:44] <modem> gnome3 on a pi is suicide
[4:44] <Torikun> most things on the pi is suicide
[4:44] <Torikun> lol
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[4:44] <modem> lol.
[4:44] <dr_willis> Console Comandos!
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[4:45] <Eartaker> what are the ribbin ports on the pi used for?
[4:45] <dr_willis> We dont need no steenking X!
[4:45] <modem> merging links, for browsing stuffs
[4:45] <Torikun> Cause X is slow
[4:45] <Torikun> lol
[4:45] <modem> I don't have X right now
[4:45] <Torikun> my daughter uses chome over ssh on her pi
[4:45] <modem> I love that I can use this SD image at the pis at school.
[4:45] <Torikun> you got pi's at school?
[4:45] <Torikun> Awesome
[4:46] <smoere> Eartaker: those are for attaching camera and screen, called CSI/DSI
[4:46] <modem> yep high school.
[4:46] * modem is a freshmen.
[4:47] <Eartaker> smoere: where can you source them from? I cant find anything about it
[4:47] <modem> 41% disk usage
[4:48] <modem> not too bad
[4:48] <Torikun> your portage tree full
[4:48] <Torikun> lo
[4:48] <modem> probably /tmp is filled.
[4:48] <modem> it seems.
[4:48] <modem> I extracted portage
[4:48] <modem> didn't feel like syncing and waiting forever
[4:48] <Torikun> Yeah that sucks
[4:48] <Torikun> worse on SD card
[4:48] <Torikun> lol
[4:48] <modem> yep
[4:48] <modem> this is a 4GB sd card
[4:49] <Torikun> ouch
[4:49] <modem> 1.4GB used
[4:49] <modem> less than expected :p
[4:49] <Torikun> compile on smb share lo
[4:49] <smoere> Eartaker: source as in buy the modules/conenctors or as in source of information?
[4:49] <modem> it came with the pi
[4:49] <modem> why?
[4:49] <modem> I can use distcc, which is more efficient
[4:49] <Torikun> so you save your sd card and space
[4:49] <modem> ah
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[4:50] <modem> uh, NFS would be better for that :p
[4:50] <modem> known fact
[4:50] <modem> smb is a windows sorta thing.
[4:50] <Torikun> yeah
[4:50] <modem> I try to stay away from protocols that aren't explicitly designed for unix-likes
[4:50] <modem> samba being one of them
[4:50] <modem> *windows share
[4:51] <modem> smb is the *nix derivative
[4:51] <Torikun> will leaving a laptop on 24/7 make your electric bill high?
[4:51] <modem> if it's plugged in :p
[4:52] <Torikun> really?
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[4:52] <Eartaker> mo, the current draw is very low
[4:52] <Dyskette> Torikun: depends on the power consumption of the laptop charger, and the cost of your electricity
[4:52] <modem> if a water faucet drips once every two seconds for one year, you will waste hundreds.
[4:53] <modem> *of dollars
[4:53] <dr_willis> i put the dog bowl under the drip :)
[4:53] <modem> my notebook uses 19 volts
[4:53] <Dyskette> modem: not in the UK you won't. Not metered!
[4:53] <modem> D:<
[4:54] <dr_willis> they just charge you for tv over the air. )
[4:54] <dr_willis> ;)
[4:54] <Torikun> lol
[4:54] <modem> I somehow expected someone from the UK to respond to that
[4:54] <modem> this being a raspberry pi-related channel.
[4:54] <Dyskette> I'm not from the UK.
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[4:54] <modem> ah
[4:54] <modem> my bad
[4:54] <Dyskette> Though I do live here.
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[4:55] <modem> what is your nation of origin?
[4:55] <dr_willis> im in Indiana.. about as far from the UK as one ccan get.. without going south of the equator. ;)
[4:55] * modem georgia.
[4:55] <modem> (the state)
[4:56] <dr_willis> The land of Peaches and Onions! ;)
[4:56] <modem> *peanuts
[4:56] <modem> well
[4:56] <dr_willis> Indiana - the land of Soybeans and Corn. and Pigs...
[4:56] <modem> we have a LOT of wild chives
[4:56] <modem> they grow like weeds here.
[4:56] <dr_willis> and Ducks.. aparently Indiana is the nations biggest producer of farm ducks.
[4:57] <dr_willis> modem: and Kudzu? ;)
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[4:57] <modem> lolol and that.
[4:57] <modem> and the UK has... sheep
[4:57] <modem> and british people
[4:57] <dr_willis> wonder if sheep eat kudzu...
[4:57] <modem> people eat kudzu
[4:58] <dr_willis> Id rather eat sheap.
[4:58] <modem> I don't see why sheep can;t
[4:58] <dr_willis> ;)(
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[4:58] <dr_willis> Sheep are picky? and would rather eat wild chives.
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[5:16] <DooMMasteR> gentoo on a Pi???wooohooo the install without prebuilds would take days??? I recon
[5:17] <dr_willis> then by the time its done.. theres new updates...
[5:19] <qrwteyrutiyoup> lol :)
[5:19] <ShiftPlusOne> don't be silly, you'd run out of ram pretty fast, I think.
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> I hear people get a quite usable system with distcc though
[5:22] <blahee> impatient people. Pi is just fine for native compiling
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[5:23] <blahee> gcc 4.7 might take some 3-4days to compile and check, but thats not too bad
[5:23] <lunra> I wonder how long it would take to compile something that linked ALL of the Boost libraries
[5:23] <Torikun> wow
[5:23] <ShiftPlusOne> And it won't run out of ram when linking?
[5:24] <blahee> i did actually just compile boost itself from src.rpm -> 540 minutes
[5:24] <Torikun> Having a few Pi's powered 24/7 wont make your electric bill go nuts right?
[5:24] <blahee> CentOS6 level boost
[5:24] <Torikun> lol
[5:24] <lunra> Ouch.
[5:24] <Torikun> I just powered down that box and the three usb hard drives to it blahee
[5:24] <Torikun> now my site is only Pi powered
[5:24] <Torikun> electric bill was $336
[5:25] <ShiftPlusOne> is 'electric bill' and referring to electricity as 'electric' in general a UK thing? O_o
[5:26] <lunra> If each Pi uses ~5W, if you have 6 Pi's, that's 30W, which is an x86 at idle.
[5:26] <Torikun> so maybe a few buck a month
[5:26] <lunra> (desktop class x86 I mean, I know the mobile chips are better)
[5:26] <blahee> both my pis are powered from another computer USB-port -> no WAY those are 5W :)
[5:27] <blahee> that would be 1A from USB-port and that ain't gonna happen (old machines w/o these new "charger USB-ports")
[5:27] <lunra> Well if you have an x86 machine idling... then you defeat the purpose of having the Pi entirely.
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[5:27] <Torikun> the old x86 would be more useful
[5:27] <Torikun> lol
[5:28] <BigShip> Wow, i'm wicked impressed by this thing. Bluray quality with less skip than my desktop right now
[5:28] <blahee> it's my desktop which is running few virtual machines too. My desktop is always on anyway
[5:28] <lunra> That's why you're not supposed to power Pis from computer USB ports.
[5:29] <lunra> But if it works and doesn't crash that's great :D
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[5:31] <Torikun> I got one pi plugged into my Routers USB port
[5:32] <blahee> Torikun: good place too as that is awlays on anyway too :)
[5:32] <Torikun> yup lol
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[6:04] <flufmnstr> hey yall. im running a qemu raspbian-ola-0.8.26 RPi on windows 7, and im trying to get USB detection setup to use an enttec openDMX device but i cant seem to get usb support up. i have set -usb in the bat, and tried -usbdevice, but still couldnt get it to work. any ideas?
[6:05] * ShiftPlusOne wouldn't bother.
[6:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure if qemu arm can even do that =/
[6:06] <ShiftPlusOne> "QEMU emulates a PCI UHCI USB controller. You can virtually plug virtual USB devices or real host USB devices (experimental, works only on Linux hosts). Qemu will automatically create and connect virtual USB hubs as necessary to connect multiple USB devices."
[6:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Note the "experimental, works only on Linux hosts"
[6:07] <flufmnstr> ah, real devices only works in linux
[6:07] <flufmnstr> *experimentally
[6:07] <ShiftPlusOne> and I bet not well
[6:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Have you tried using the device with linux just on your regular PC? (With a livecd or a proper install)
[6:08] <flufmnstr> not yet.
[6:08] <Serano> morning
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[6:09] <ShiftPlusOne> That should be a fairly good indicator. If it works, check that the device driver is open source and that the device doesn't draw more current than the pi can provide if you're not using a hub"
[6:10] <flufmnstr> hrmmm, good idea. it would help to know how to set it up in a standard distro first
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[6:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Oh, so it's just a DMX controller that's interfaced through an ftdi chip
[6:12] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah you should be just fine
[6:12] <ShiftPlusOne> it will show up as a serial device /dev/ttyUSB0 and you can send commands to it.
[6:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Not exactly complicated http://www.enttec.com/dmx_usb/schematic.pdf
[6:15] <BigShip> hey, is there any way to set up the RPi as a vpn server?
[6:15] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know what software is available to do the sequencing and the command sending though, but I am sure there's plenty.
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[6:15] <Serano> BigShip yes
[6:15] <BigShip> Serano: what program would I use?
[6:15] <Serano> http://wellsb.com/post/29412820494/raspberry-pi-vpn-server
[6:15] <BigShip> <3
[6:15] <Serano> this is a tutorial for PPTP
[6:16] <BigShip> perfect, thanks man
[6:16] <Serano> openvpn is possible, but i have a pptp for my ios device.
[6:16] <ShiftPlusOne> I find that between SSH and various SSH tunelling options, pretty much of all my vpn-like needs are covered.
[6:16] <Serano> does that route into your internal network?
[6:17] <Serano> and ssh has a downfall that speed is degraded to 80kbps +-
[6:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I've only had to use it once anyway. When I was in China I was tunnelling my traffic through my home PC just in case.
[6:18] <Serano> even with openvpn over TCP with compression and encryption I believe I've gotten speed over 1MB/s
[6:19] <ShiftPlusOne> pretty good
[6:19] <Serano> ShiftPlusOne aha, for that it would suit you perfectly
[6:19] <Serano> in those rare cases
[6:22] <dniMretsaM> wise decision, ShiftPlusOne. lol
[6:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Yes, would want them spying on all my tourism sites traffic
[6:23] <ShiftPlusOne> (I am too boring to need to hide my traffic, but meh)
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[6:25] <dniMretsaM> better to hide it anyway, in my opinion
[6:25] <ShiftPlusOne> agreed
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[6:30] <BigShip> :( no vpn server for me. No router = no static IP = poo
[6:31] <ShiftPlusOne> what about dynamic dns?
[6:31] <BigShip> ?
[6:31] <ShiftPlusOne> You can bind your ip to a free subdomain which is updated whenever your IP changes.
[6:32] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.no-ip.com/
[6:32] <BigShip> oh, wow that sounds like it'll definitely get around the firewalls here. Statics usually get your port shut off here
[6:33] <BigShip> woot, can still do this. Starbucks make's me uncomfortable yah know?
[6:33] <Serano> BigShip in the link I gave you
[6:33] <Serano> it also handles vpn over dyn dns
[6:33] <BigShip> Serano: was it? Crap -_-
[6:33] <Serano> the ddclient part
[6:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Or the part with the "Dynamic DNS (Raspberry Pi)" in big letters =p
[6:34] <BigShip> Serano: found it!
[6:34] <Serano> that's the one :)
[6:34] <Serano> i mostly just see the commands only and make sense of them myself xD
[6:34] <Serano> if i don't know, i'll google it :p
[6:34] <BigShip> Wait though, I still have to use port forwarding thought don't I?
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[6:35] <Serano> how is your network set up
[6:35] <Serano> do you immediatly have an external ip on your raspberry? or an internal one
[6:36] <BigShip> Uh, I could figure it out on my home network, but I'll be back at my university in a few days so I won't have access to the router there. I'd have to set up my own, which would be a pain
[6:36] <Serano> what are you trying to achieve
[6:37] <Serano> to get out of the campus network? or getting into the network
[6:37] <BigShip> Neither really, just to have some extra security when using my laptop and phone on unsecured wireless networks
[6:38] <Serano> then you could just connect to the ip that the raspberry has on the campus network
[6:38] <Serano> if you are outside of the campus network
[6:38] <BigShip> it'd change every time I reboot it though
[6:38] <Serano> and still want that same security, it would be wiser to leave your rasp vpn at home
[6:38] <Serano> and connect to home
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[6:39] <BigShip> hmm, looks like im definitely getting another one then. I'll just do that and set it up here along with any other server based stuff I'd wanna run.
[6:40] <Serano> imo
[6:40] <BigShip> bookmarked the page, thanks!
[6:40] <Serano> i'd advice you a cheap vps though
[6:40] <BigShip> hmm?
[6:41] <Serano> for 2-5$ a month you get a linux server online with fixed ip and server bandwidth speed
[6:41] <Serano> for ex. I have one in the states so i can watch to hulu in europe
[6:42] * ShiftPlusOne has a linode vps
[6:42] <ShiftPlusOne> never realised I can use it for such things >_<
[6:42] <Serano> you most certainly can.
[6:42] <BigShip> I've thought of doing that, but I'm pretty spendthrift and like to put most of my money in my savings. I mean, $35 for an RPi would cost the same as about 7months of that service
[6:43] <Serano> but it removes the hassle of the dynamic ip, and most certainly your performance
[6:43] <Serano> cause the speed you will get on your device is limited by the upspeed of the raspberry its connection
[6:43] <Serano> do remind that
[6:44] <BigShip> but it would also be limited by the speed of the network im connected to on the device accessing the vpn, which is usually something like Starbucks. So there wouldn't be much gain
[6:44] <Serano> I don't live in the states so i can't tell you anything about that
[6:45] <Serano> but in my personal case downspeed on public wifi is mostly higher than the upseed of any consumer line
[6:45] <BigShip> Ah, yeah... starbucks takes about 2 minutes to load one page
[6:45] <Serano> 5Mbit up is max consumer upspeed in belgium
[6:45] <Serano> downspeed on my homeline 120
[6:45] * ShiftPlusOne wouldn't use the vps for downloading torrents or anything like that though.
[6:45] <ShiftPlusOne> linode would sell me out in a heartbeat, I think.
[6:45] <Serano> so for example on my campus inet the max downspeed i'd get through a vpn tunnel with homeconnection would be 5
[6:46] <BigShip> Yeah, I'd only be accessing it for places that have terrible connections anyways. And if the speed became an issue i'd buy a $20 router and set it up at my university. The connection in my apt there maxes out at 124 megabits down and about 90 up
[6:47] <Serano> still wouldn't help campus routing policies
[6:47] <Serano> if the entire campus is on a private net
[6:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Why is your campus wireless unsecure in the first place?
[6:47] <Serano> with limited external ip's you would need access to the wan routing point
[6:48] <BigShip> ShiftPlusOne: it's secure, I'm only interested in using the VPN for places outside our network
[6:48] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[6:49] <Serano> BigShip do you have an external ip on campus?
[6:49] <Serano> that's key
[6:49] <Serano> if not, you won't succeed
[6:49] <Serano> even with a router
[6:49] <BigShip> Serano: I'm not sure. How would I be able to tell without access to the network atm?
[6:50] <Serano> in case you new the format of the ip, you would be able to make the difference
[6:50] <Serano> 192.168 / / 172.16 ......
[6:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Would your university even allow these shenanigans? o_O
[6:50] <BigShip> oh yeah, I work in our computer department dealing with ff'd up student PCs so I've got all of our IP's semi memorized
[6:51] <BigShip> we have 192.168
[6:51] <Serano> imo the best way: server in a clear network, always reachable, where you have control over routing and firewall (like home/ or a real server (vps/dedi/colo))
[6:51] <Serano> ok so then you are on an internal network
[6:51] <BigShip> so no go?
[6:51] <Serano> that means there is a gateway in your network (router) which need to right portforward
[6:52] <Serano> to your router when a certain port is triggered
[6:52] <Serano> so it would be blocked there
[6:52] <Serano> before it would come to your router ip
[6:52] <BigShip> well, from the wall we get 137.99 and can plug in our own routers
[6:52] <Serano> or rasp connection
[6:52] <BigShip> does that help?
[6:52] <Serano> yes
[6:52] <Serano> on those you can make the connection
[6:53] <BigShip> yeah, our school provided router sucks anyways, hence the $20 for our own if need be ;)
[6:53] <BigShip> Excellent! We may be getting one anyways since our wireless drops all the time and my roommates hate it
[6:54] <BigShip> God, I gotta spend more time with you guys... My boss is gonna love me once I learn all of this stuff (and linux terminal). I see a raise in my future ;)
[6:54] <Serano> so yeah connect the router to the inet, rasp on the router pref with static ip, forward port 1723 on the router to the raspbi pi ip^
[6:54] <Serano> and it should work :)
[6:55] <BigShip> Excellent!
[6:55] <Serano> goodluck have fun :D
[6:55] <BigShip> So... one RPi to play with, one for vpn/other server needs, one for a home media player for my mother... and then a couple more just in case? ;)
[6:56] <Serano> i've ordered 10 xD
[6:56] <Serano> 6 in deployment already :)
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[6:56] <Serano> and sold 1 already :)
[6:56] <BigShip> mmm, okay now I don't feel terrible ordering a couple more!
[6:56] <BigShip> Now I just need to get my arch distro stable...
[6:57] <dr_willis> heh Moar Pis1q
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[6:57] <dr_willis> One for each room of the house.
[6:57] <Serano> haven't been testing with arch on the pi
[6:57] <Serano> heard it was one of the more stable ones
[6:57] <BigShip> I had trouble getting startx to work. It's most likely very stable, I'm just too new to linux to troubleshoot it well
[6:57] <Serano> in all fairness i'm quite pleased with the raspbian performance.
[6:58] <Serano> I'm no expert but i'm familiar with linux for the past 11 years
[6:58] <Serano> but yeah working with it, breaking stuff is the best way to learn it
[6:58] <BigShip> sERANO: Yeah, I've fiddled with Ubuntu a couple of times, but my linux knowledge is about null as is
[6:59] <Serano> well can i give you a big advice?
[6:59] <BigShip> please, always!
[6:59] <Serano> stay away from the gui :)
[6:59] <Serano> you will not learn anything that way
[6:59] <BigShip> yeah, that's what i've been trying to do
[7:00] <Serano> I now made a little script that runs on a website on the pi that can start movies volume control etc
[7:00] <Serano> just because i knew the commands in the commandline
[7:00] <BigShip> sudo apt-get install and the AUR repository is honestly easier than the GUI anyways once you get the hang of it. I just have to learn how the system files are configured so I can start getting more comfortable navigating
[7:00] <Serano> dunno if you have time
[7:00] <Serano> but i'm happy to share those basics
[7:01] <Serano> if you have questions
[7:01] <BigShip> I have way too much time. Sleep is for ninnies
[7:01] <Serano> haha i woke up at 4 am
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[7:01] <Serano> after going to bed 3pm xD
[7:01] <BigShip> trying to stay on US time or something?
[7:02] <Serano> most days
[7:02] <BigShip> Job requirement or you just like us nasty 'muricans?
[7:02] <Serano> I'm a sys admin and I always get the graveyard shift :)
[7:02] <Serano> but I chose for it.
[7:02] <Serano> don't know why, i'm more productive at night
[7:02] <Serano> less destractions
[7:02] <Serano> I've always been that way
[7:03] <Serano> and my girlfriend is a nurse who loves doing the nightshifts aswell so we manage perfectly this way
[7:03] <BigShip> ahh, excellent! I can abuse you on a daily basis then. Sounds perfect! Yeah, I agree. I do all my social shenanigans during the day, and then by night I can focus indefinitely so long as I don't get tired
[7:03] <Serano> not to mention the payraise we get because we want to work at night :)
[7:03] <BigShip> Ahhh, you lucky duck. My gf is useless without sleep. Good influence on me, but she can't stay up late at all
[7:04] <Serano> had one like that before :p
[7:04] <Serano> kicked her out to the curb xD
[7:04] <Serano> brb coffee
[7:04] <BigShip> jealous...
[7:04] <Serano> the it doesn't work without it
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[7:05] <BigShip> yeah, it's too late for coffee so i'm just sticking with beer
[7:06] <BigShip> plus it's way easier...
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[7:07] <Serano> hehe if I were you i'd choose the same :)
[7:07] <Serano> but i have other vices
[7:07] <Serano> and right now coffee is perfect
[7:07] <Serano> ^^
[7:09] <BigShip> I'd honestly prefer coffee. Beer makes me drowsy and my eyes get fuzzy. Doesn't go great combined with a few hours of staring at a computer :/
[7:09] <BigShip> what kind of coffee did you make?
[7:09] <Serano> I believe if I were to order the same one at starbucks it'd be an American Coffee :)
[7:09] <Serano> but basicly its a regular coffee :)
[7:10] <BigShip> oh oh, I meant the beans!
[7:10] <BigShip> *flavor
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[7:11] <dr_willis> its bean flavored coffee ;)
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[7:11] <BigShip> dr_willis: rofl
[7:11] <BigShip> welcome back
[7:11] <Serano> tbh i have no idea :p i always take the same local brand :p
[7:12] <Serano> and it's good coffee :D
[7:12] <BigShip> thats all that matters!
[7:12] <Serano> well that and that it keeps me awake :p
[7:12] <BigShip> true true
[7:12] <Serano> so
[7:12] <Serano> questions if you have em
[7:13] <BigShip> ah yes, where would I find the file that manages audio output? I'd like to edit the file to default to HDMI output
[7:14] <Serano> do alsamixer in terminal :)
[7:14] <BigShip> yeah, I actually had issues with that earlier. Lemme see if I can get it working... brb
[7:14] <Serano> Maybe i'll start a stream aswell so you can see it too.
[7:14] <BigShip> ?
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[7:15] <BigShip> see what?
[7:15] <Serano> just hang on, it'll be self explanatory :)
[7:16] <Serano> http://twitch.tv/seranow
[7:17] <Serano> I'm just streaming this chat and my console
[7:17] <Serano> so you can see what I have and what you should be getting
[7:18] <BigShip> it may not load. My wireless card in this machine is a bit screwed. Tore it out of the original case so it's missing the antenna and doesn't get much connection
[7:18] <Serano> haha :p
[7:18] <BigShip> loading it on my laptop
[7:20] <BigShip> yeah, so i've got alsamixer open
[7:20] <Serano> so basicly through alsa mixer you can control on what device to listen too
[7:21] <Serano> i must however admit that it only shows my default aswell
[7:21] <Serano> when you press F6
[7:21] <BigShip> ah, mines shows default and also 0 bcm2835 ALSA
[7:22] <Serano> ah you have hdmi and 3.5 jack connected simultaniously
[7:22] <BigShip> nope, just hdmi
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[7:23] <Serano> were you able to get sound on it before?
[7:24] <BigShip> I watched a movie earlier from the Pi
[7:24] <BigShip> I just was hoping I could make it default to hdmi since I'll probably never use the 3.5
[7:24] <Serano> and music does not play over hdmi?
[7:24] <Serano> best to check it first
[7:25] <Serano> quite possible that since the hdmi is the only thing plugged in, it is on by default
[7:25] <BigShip> hmm, idk. Don't have any music on my rpi. Lemme try music.google.com
[7:26] <BigShip> crud... GB keyboard layout... can't sign in -_-
[7:26] <Serano> i'll try and test it too
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[7:28] <Serano> ok so my first command didn't work for an mp3
[7:28] <Serano> when i tell it to use hdmi it works
[7:29] <Serano> i have no idea if the gui will load it differently so it takes hdmi by default
[7:29] <BigShip> yeah, I had no problem when I told it to use HDMI. I guess that'll work fine for now. I don't have the drive to do that atm
[7:29] <BigShip> I think im just gonna work on setting up Irssi on my RPi atm so I can shut down my desktop
[7:30] <Serano> my work requires me to use a windows gui
[7:30] <Serano> the second screen is a debian vm xD
[7:30] <rikkib> From my rc.local file #Set output to aux 0 auto 1 aux 2 hdmi
[7:30] <rikkib> printf "Setting Audio Output to Aux Speaker.\n"
[7:30] <rikkib> amixer cset numid=3 1
[7:31] <BigShip> I actually kind of like windows because it looks nice and is easy. I just dont have my desk set up well to handle the desktop monitor, RPi, and my chromebook. Wierd angle
[7:32] <rikkib> amixer cset numid=3 2 for hdmi
[7:32] <Serano> just like that
[7:32] <Serano> lets give it a shot :)
[7:34] <Serano> i'm looking at the boot screen of the pi
[7:34] <Serano> he gives me a warning now that pulse audio is configurred for per user sessions
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[7:36] <BigShip> hmm... my test isnt even working atm :/
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[7:37] <mdim> I'm running most recent version of Arch Linux ARM, and when I try to run XBMC, I get the following error: /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libGLESv2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[7:37] <mdim> did anyone run into the same problem?
[7:38] <Serano> kenneth@raspberrypi /etc/modprobe.d $ aplay -l
[7:38] <Serano> aplay: device_list:252: no soundcards found...
[7:38] <rikkib> Try installing libGLESv2
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[7:38] <BigShip> Serano: I'm drunk. Probably best to wait until next time at this point. Thanks for the help on that one though!
[7:39] <Serano> no problem :)
[7:39] <Serano> you just gave me something to work out now
[7:39] <BigShip> haha, you're welcome? :)
[7:39] <Serano> ofcourse :)
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[7:47] <Serano> BigShip if you are still here
[7:47] <Serano> check ur pm :)
[7:48] <BigShip> yeah i am sorry
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[8:13] <BigShip> what do you all use for email client's for raspberian
[8:14] <Serano> haven't gotten one tbh
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[8:21] <Serano> ugh hate setting perms on a 2TB drive with ntfs-3g
[8:21] <Serano> effin slowpoke
[8:26] <Serano> sigh :D snow on my driveway. Guess going to the bakery is gonna have to wait
[8:27] <BigShip> what? Snow in the UK? Impossible
[8:27] <Serano> i'm not in the uk :p
[8:27] <BigShip> ah, well then
[8:27] <Serano> but belgium
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[8:28] <BigShip> mmm you lucky duck
[8:28] <Serano> about 150 miles away from the UK shores :)
[8:28] <Serano> and snow isn't that uncommon in the UK at all :p
[8:28] <BigShip> Oh, I heard it was all just rain, really sassy rain.
[8:29] <Serano> it is
[8:29] <Serano> belgium has that tendency aswell, just not as bad as the uk
[8:29] <Serano> but since temps go under zero frequently, snow is a yearly thing for a few weeks
[8:30] <BigShip> ours is all gone :/. Was in Vermont earlier in the week. Snow=Damn. Round here our grass is still green though
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[8:33] <Serano> haha xD i'm gonna escape this weather pretty soon
[8:33] <Serano> Miami here I come again :)
[8:34] <Serano> WMC is a yearly habbit for me
[8:34] <BigShip> ugh, my brother lives down there. He texts me all winter with "at the beach, but the water is too hot to go in"
[8:34] <Serano> haha yeah I always go there when I have the winter blues
[8:34] <Serano> been doing it since 2010
[8:35] <Serano> when i went on a first spring break when a friend of mine had the chance to study in memphis
[8:35] <Serano> when he had spring break we all met up at sobe
[8:35] <Serano> and well, been hooked ever since on stateside visits
[8:36] <BigShip> yeah, aside from the whole driving scene, it's the place to be
[8:36] <Serano> got miami coming up in february for my bday and in the entire month of june i'm backpacking from west to east
[8:37] <BigShip> wrong time of year to do that isnt it? Unless you're just backpacking from west florida to east florida
[8:37] <Serano> oh no we are starting in vegas
[8:37] <Serano> and heading out to san francisco
[8:38] <Serano> and from there we are clueless where we are heading to xD
[8:38] <Serano> we just know we have a flight back in san francisco at the end of the month :)
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[8:47] <Serano> hmmm how much impact would it have on the cpu usage switch from ntfs-3g to ext on my hdd
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[8:53] <ParkerR> Serano: Just accesing it normally?
[8:57] <Serano> nope read/write
[8:57] <Serano> through ntfs-3g i'm getting speeds upto 3.5MBS
[8:57] <Serano> now on the sdcard i'm getting 8
[8:57] <Serano> but since that data is not travelling through usb, i don't how big of an influence that is
[8:57] <Serano> but i do notice less cpu usage
[8:58] <Serano> copying over eth0 to the usb drive at 3.5MBS gives a cpu usage of 70%
[8:58] <Serano> i need to get that cpu lower
[8:58] <Serano> so it doesn't interfere with a running process for example a video playing
[8:59] <Serano> i notice more choppiness during a copy
[9:00] <Xark> Serano: Does "nice" have any affect at all? I am guessing not, since it is I/O related overhead.
[9:00] <Triffid_Hunter> ionice perhaps
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[9:00] <Serano> that's for giving a priority to something isn't it?
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[9:02] <BigShip> whoops
[9:02] <Serano> ok ionice seems perfect
[9:02] <Serano> but how would I go about it in fstab
[9:03] <Serano> cause then i have to put ntfs-3g in best effort mode
[9:03] <Serano> while opening omxplayer in best effort
[9:03] <Serano> nm
[9:03] <Serano> -p pid
[9:04] <Serano> works like a charm
[9:04] <Serano> perfect
[9:05] <Triffid_Hunter> :)
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[10:01] * ShiftPlusOne gets back from work and wonders why the screen is filled with 'Serano' O_o
[10:01] * Serano was active
[10:02] <ShiftPlusOne> alone? =P
[10:02] <Serano> not rly...
[10:02] <ShiftPlusOne> sure looks like it
[10:02] <Serano> looks are always deceiving :)
[10:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, I failed to take into account the imaginary people.
[10:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Sorry, I am a bit drunk, so I'll shut up >.>
[10:03] <Serano> so you got back from work drunk
[10:04] <Serano> nice job!
[10:04] <ShiftPlusOne> The joy of being self employed, ey?
[10:04] <Serano> true that
[10:04] <dr_willis> its not easy being a taste tester for jack daniels
[10:04] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[10:04] <Serano> ^^
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[10:20] <Chetic> how do I (remotely, with ssh) clear the terminal before starting a video with omxplayer?
[10:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Do you get a mess around the edges or something?
[10:21] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd try clear && omxplayer...
[10:21] <Chetic> no the video is just overlayed over the terminal
[10:21] <Chetic> so I can see the pi logo at the top and login info at the bottom
[10:21] <dr_willis> heh.
[10:21] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
[10:21] <Chetic> that clears my ssh terminal, not the one on the tv
[10:22] <dr_willis> not tried omxplayer that way
[10:22] <Serano> set the screen saving to a few secs
[10:22] <Serano> so the screen is black
[10:22] <Serano> and then start from ssh
[10:22] <Serano> that's how i do it
[10:22] <dr_willis> there may be some framebuffer commands
[10:22] <Chetic> good tip Serano
[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, omxplayer will talk directly to the GPU and the gpu will ignore whatever is there. So you might want to use screen to share the session.
[10:23] <Chetic> has to be a command to clear the whole screen
[10:23] <dr_willis> so omxplayer does use the framebuffer?
[10:24] <ShiftPlusOne> dr_willis, the gpu is a bit stupid. It will just draw over whatever is there. It doesn't quite use the framebuffer.
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[10:25] <ShiftPlusOne> So even if you launch something that uses the gpu over ssh, it will just be derpy and draw over hdmi or rca, being completly ignorant of what might be going on there.
[10:25] <Chetic> which I think is beautiful
[10:25] <dr_willis> so its like a direct writeing to video memory
[10:25] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know the internals, but yeah, pretty much.
[10:25] <Serano> Chetic
[10:25] <Serano> just do setterm -blank
[10:25] <Serano> and then use omx
[10:25] <Serano> prob solved
[10:25] <Chetic> testing
[10:26] <Chetic> is there a good way to resume a video at the same point in omxplayer btw?
[10:26] <ShiftPlusOne> pretty sure that will clear the current terminal, not the one that's displaying on his tv
[10:26] <dr_willis> you might be able to use some fb setting commands to paint a black screen or somthig
[10:26] <Serano> setterm -blank
[10:26] <Serano> has no effect on an ssh client
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[10:26] <Serano> it is on the terminal
[10:26] <Chetic> yeah doesn't seem to work remotely
[10:27] <Serano> i'll see if i can do it, cause it was something i noticed aswell
[10:27] <ShiftPlusOne> cat /dev/zero > /dev/fb0 (or whatever the framebuffer device is?
[10:28] <ShiftPlusOne> (very messy, I don't recommend it)
[10:28] <dr_willis> theres that fbset command also
[10:29] <Chetic> cat /dev/zero > /dev/fb0 worked
[10:29] <Serano> how about if you put that setterm -blank
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[10:29] <Chetic> freakin beautiful
[10:29] <Serano> in an init script
[10:29] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[10:29] <Serano> ah nice
[10:29] <ShiftPlusOne> surprised a little
[10:29] <Chetic> I get "write error: no space left on device" after but it clears it
[10:29] <Chetic> heh yeah
[10:30] <ShiftPlusOne> keep in mind you're literally writting zeros into the framebuffer without specifying when to stop, so it says no space left.
[10:30] <dr_willis> ive seen fb image viewers you could use also perhaps
[10:30] <john_f> tput clear > /dev/tty1
[10:30] <Chetic> yeah I figured, ShiftPlusOne
[10:30] <ShiftPlusOne> there has to be a better way to do it (maybe what john_f said), I am just not sure what it is.
[10:31] <Serano> kenneth@raspberrypi ~ $ sudo tput clear > /dev/tty1
[10:31] <Serano> -bash: /dev/tty1: Permission denied
[10:31] <Chetic> -bash: /dev/tty1: Permission denied
[10:31] <dr_willis> hmm.
[10:31] <ShiftPlusOne> I think tty1 isn't exactly tty1 in the logical sense. AFAIK bash or something else does some magic to make that sort of thing work
[10:31] <dr_willis> not at my pi. so i cant try
[10:32] <ShiftPlusOne> but that might be something to ask about in #linux (or ##linux?).
[10:32] <Serano> this is working
[10:32] <Serano> adding the setterm - blank
[10:32] <Serano> to boot.local
[10:32] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, because that executes on the proper terminal (the one displayed on your tv)
[10:33] <Serano> that's what i'm using it for. displaying movies :)
[10:33] <Serano> i'm starting it via ssh or python
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[10:33] <Serano> and since Chetic was doing that too, it would serve his purposes no?
[10:33] <ShiftPlusOne> alternativly, you can edit /dev/inittab to make sure tty1 doesn't spawn
[10:34] <Chetic> yeah Serano but it'd require a reboot
[10:34] <Serano> only once
[10:34] <ShiftPlusOne> idn, I forgot who was asking the question or what we're talking about tbh
[10:34] <Serano> after that it wouldnt no?
[10:34] <Chetic> well if I'd want to do other things..
[10:34] <john_f> Serano: you would need sudo sh -c "tput clear > /dev/tty1" for sudo to work at all
[10:34] <Chetic> it's definitely good enough for my purposes, I just wanna learn :)
[10:34] <john_f> or you could disable the getty on tty1
[10:34] <john_f> maybe
[10:35] <ShiftPlusOne> john_f, I just said that D=
[10:35] <john_f> then i am useless
[10:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Can't be more useless than me. I am surprised I am able to type without typos everywhere right now.
[10:36] <dr_willis> could you script in a change to a differnt tty like #9 then run the player on #9
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[10:36] <dr_willis> oh wait it plays reguardless of what one you are on.
[10:37] <john_f> chvt does the changing
[10:37] <john_f> like ctrl-alt-n
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[10:38] <dr_willis> Hmm how about this.. have omxplayer player play at like 1/4 size of the screen at the top right. so you can goof off in the console. and watch videos at the same time
[10:39] <Serano> ok so john_f yours was very efficient to get the screen to black
[10:39] <Serano> how do you get it back to normal then?
[10:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm, then you can even use 'screen' with the vertical split patch to do other things, not a bad idea, dr_willis
[10:39] <dr_willis> i tend to use tmux ;)
[10:39] <ShiftPlusOne> psh
[10:40] <ShiftPlusOne> mr fanypants uses tmux
[10:40] <ShiftPlusOne> (I've been meaning to look into it)
[10:40] <dr_willis> or byobu
[10:40] <dr_willis> but thats on my ubuntu box mainly
[10:40] <john_f> Serano: back to the login?
[10:40] <dr_willis> ages ago i used 'twin' which was similer to the old dos-ansi-gfx type gui
[10:40] <ShiftPlusOne> meh... byobu is kind of ugly.
[10:40] <john_f> or redraw the login
[10:40] <john_f> as it is still there
[10:41] <ShiftPlusOne> byobu tries to do too much, I think
[10:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Is this page working for people? http://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/15dh7a/archscreenvs_framebuffer_only/
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[10:42] <john_f> Serano: maybe tput reset
[10:42] <dr_willis> ShiftPlusOne: working here on my phone
[10:42] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... seems like the css isn't loaging here
[10:43] <ShiftPlusOne> But yeah, http://i.imgur.com/GGCjz.png looks pretty good
[10:43] <ShiftPlusOne> not done with omxplayer, obviously but I think you can do the same sort of thing.
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[10:45] <ShiftPlusOne> ...well, I liked it.
[10:45] <Chetic> haha
[10:46] <Chetic> I think it looks beautiful
[10:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Thank you
[10:49] <dr_willis> now to get mc to play videos in omxplayer. ;)
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[10:50] <dr_willis> instead of mplayer --out aalib (or whatever that ascii-art output is)
[10:50] <dr_willis> Im not even sure what the default is on the pi. :)
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[10:54] <john_f> Serano: http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/scripting/terminalcodes#misc_codes
[10:55] <Serano> thanks john_f, was looking into it deeper myself.
[10:55] <Serano> your reset / clear almost works perfectly
[10:55] <Serano> except for the dash blinking on clear and the reset just prints a p to the console :)
[10:56] <dr_willis> so dependong on the video and monitor - omxplayer has a little 'border' of the current screen displayed
[10:58] <Serano> oh i have not seen a border yet of omxplayer. It's just like a terminal '-' blinking when i do the clear command you gave me.
[10:58] <[deXter]> dr_willis, I just symlinked mplayer to omxplayer :)
[10:59] <Serano> it's funny once the screen is blank because of the powersaving i can run omx without anything being displayed on the screen (movie started through an SSH client)
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[11:00] <dr_willis> [deXter]: thats cheating! :) but handy.. i do find the ascii-lib feature to watch movies is funny to show to people. or leave playing on a pc...
[11:00] <[deXter]> and what better movie to watch in ascii than The Matrix? :)
[11:00] <Serano> i think vbetool dpms off/on will be my solution for my needs
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[11:01] <dr_willis> [deXter]: well some Adult videos... makes for highly amuseing looks
[11:02] <dr_willis> bugs bunny or other classic cartoons where enteraining also
[11:02] <[deXter]> "This is how we used to watch pr0n back in the good ol' days"
[11:02] <dr_willis> Yep.
[11:03] <dr_willis> 8bit 640x480 naughty pixles... heh
[11:03] <[deXter]> heh
[11:04] <dr_willis> what was that ascii-animation demo... bbdemo? i cant find it via apt.
[11:05] <john_f> aa or caca
[11:05] <dr_willis> aha - its 'bb' from what i apt-cache searched
[11:05] <john_f> aalib, libcaca
[11:05] <dr_willis> ascii-art demo based on AAlib
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> morning Pi people.
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[11:06] <dr_willis> A Slice of Pi In the morning starts the day off good.
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[11:11] <gordonDrogon> bcon & egg for me :)
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> and coffee.
[11:11] <dr_willis> I had to teach the grandson to pronounce it as 'BACON!'
[11:11] <dr_willis> ;) and say 'whats better then BACON?! Moar Bacon!'
[11:12] <dr_willis> Might have to take him out For breakfast today.. gotta feed the 4 yr old.
[11:12] <tzarc> funnily enough, I just had poached eggs and bacon for dinner 10mins ago
[11:12] <Serano> Pi lovers alike
[11:13] <dr_willis> Poached thats liklle boiled without the shell. :)
[11:14] <booyaa> lolo pi lovers
[11:16] <[deXter]> btw, congrats to everyone - one million Raspberry Pi's sold to date! w00t!
[11:16] <tzarc> ...with a hint of vinegar :P
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[11:18] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[11:22] <tzarc> what? you put vinegar in the water while cooking the eggs so that it stays bound :P
[11:23] <ShiftPlusOne> what do you mean by 'stays bound'?
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[11:26] <tzarc> it tends to stick to itself rather than getting all "feathery", for want of a better term
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[11:26] <tzarc> the white doesn't break up
[11:26] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
[11:26] * ShiftPlusOne will experiment with vinegar later
[11:26] <tzarc> lol
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[11:28] <ShiftPlusOne> poached egg, isn't a part of 'our' traditional cuisine, so I am just curious >.>
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[11:29] * tzarc shrugs
[11:30] <tzarc> staple of mine, when I cba cooking something a bit more extravagant
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> bacon, yes. bcon was a typo.
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> nah, vinegar makes it rubbery.
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> the trick with poached eggs is to get them fresh - the more fresh they are the less runny white there is.
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> Then you strain them to get rid of the really runny white, then gently tip them into a pan of still water just off the boil.
[11:31] <tzarc> dunno what you do to make them rubbery
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> perfect poached eggs!
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> although I prefer mine fried in butter.
[11:32] * ShiftPlusOne takes note
[11:32] <tzarc> coconut oil :P
[11:32] <ShiftPlusOne> I am fairly culinary illiterate. I get enough food to last a month just by dropping by my mum's house. >.>
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> don't take my word for it - that's the Heston way...
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, Heh... I've been cooking for a very long time - some of my earliest memories are cooking.
[11:33] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, I figured. Any time you post photos of your side business thing, I get hungry >.>
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> hang on a tick, I'll make you more hungry :)
[11:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Nuh, I just ate and am full of rum, so it's not going to work =)
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[11:34] <Serano> pancakes with calvados!
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[11:35] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/sd2.jpg <-- Yesterdays loaf going into the oven (actually baked on Friday)
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[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> A time travelling loaf? Nice!
[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> (I am not sure how something can come out of the oven the day before it went in) =D
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[11:44] <gordonDrogon> Load to be eaten yesterday, (saturday) cooked on Friday.
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> Loaf ...
[11:45] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, that makes more sense
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> just tweaking the new interrupt handler in wiringPi. I hate it when things stop working after you take the debugging out!
[11:47] <ShiftPlusOne> user82 was asking about the arm interrupts earlier by the way, I dunno if he figured it out, but I guess I should tell him to look at the wiringpi source next time.
[11:47] <user82> ShiftPlusOne i am working on it...but thanks
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[11:48] <ShiftPlusOne> user82, it was a not-so-subtle way of volunteering gordonDrogon to help you (if you still have any questions)
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> I think user82 is working on bare-metal..
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> in which case I know next to nothing...
[11:52] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, ah, wiringpi goes through the kernel drivers?
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[11:52] <gordonDrogon> it uses the /sys/class interface.
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[11:53] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok, I figured you were working directly with ARM.
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[11:53] <gordonDrogon> it is a real interrupt in that the kernel waits for the interrupt, but it then has to pass that back through the kernel and into userland. So it's effective, but there is overheard.
[11:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, that won't help him at all then.
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> I'll code-up an interrupt driven oscillator later today, but I think the max. is in the region of 12K ints/sec.
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> connect 2 GPIOs together, one out, one in. listen for interrupts on the in pin, when that happens take the out pin high then low again... repeat ..
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[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> What would that be used for?
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> nothing - just a timing test to work out the max. rate it can handle interrupts into user land.
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> right. new interrupt handlers working well. easy to use too.
[11:59] <Perkele> how come the hostname in /etc/hostname is raspbmc, but in my network it shows up as xmbc-9259?
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> you can now simply call one setup function, and nominate a function in your program to take interrupts from a gpio pin. no more faffing with threads, etc. as I do all that for you.
[12:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Might be worth asking in #raspbmc, but I am guessing something is changing it.
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> wiringPiISR (BUTTON_PIN, INT_EDGE_FALLING, &myInterruptFn)
[12:00] <dr_willis> Perkele: you set up samba on the network? or is that the upnp server name?
[12:00] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, , you're making it too easy! =p
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, I know... I do all the hard work, so you don't have to :)
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> I've had a lot of feedback about the interrupts - seems a lot of people can't get their head round running a thread to handle it - and there are a lot of people from the microcontroller land who are finding Linux a challenge too.
[12:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, people like things to be as straight forward as possible, though a bit of a 'how to' with instructions of how it all actually works, would be nice too.
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> yup. I'm writing better demo programs.
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> I've worked out a handy way to test too - if I program a pin's internal pull-up resistor high, then low, it triggers the interrupt without the bother of connecting up a button!
[12:04] <ShiftPlusOne> well, it's nap time
[12:04] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
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[12:05] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/isr.c
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, Be seeing you..
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[12:11] <TomWij> Which video card driver does Xorg server use on the Raspberry Pi? Or does it use dummy?
[12:13] <dr_willis> vesa i thought.
[12:14] <dr_willis> Its rather poor speed wise at the moment
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[12:15] <SpeedEvil> it is not accelerated
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[12:16] <mjr> vesa doesn't apply since the pi doesn't have your usual pc video bios ;) but yes, dumb framebuffer it is
[12:17] <dr_willis> ega! :)
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[13:15] <futrzak> hi. I've got a problem with rpi. I've got a relay, lcd and some digital thermometers connected to GPIO. The relay is working based on temperature reads from thermometers and some information is displayed on lcd. Everything works fine as long as the relay is not connected to AC. If it is, when relay opens or closes circuit the lcd display is full of garbage.
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[13:16] <futrzak> I've had similar configuration on Arduino and it was behaving the same way.
[13:16] <seba-> futrzak, put some caps
[13:16] <seba-> 100 nF
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[13:17] <futrzak> on LCD vcc?
[13:17] <seba-> futrzak, yes, also maybe on the relay (the controlling side)
[13:17] <seba-> i guess you induce from AC the garbage
[13:17] <seba-> a ferrite or choke could work as well
[13:18] <futrzak> where would I put the ferrite on?
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[13:19] <seba-> i would put on the controlling signal of the relay
[13:20] <seba-> as that's the source it seems
[13:20] <seba-> but as the lcd
[13:20] <seba-> has the main problems
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[13:20] <seba-> you could put it on there as well
[13:20] <Triffid_Hunter> futrzak: you need a snubber
[13:20] <seba-> oh
[13:20] <seba-> wait
[13:21] <seba-> futrzak it only happens
[13:21] <seba-> when you change the state?
[13:21] <futrzak> I belive so
[13:21] <Triffid_Hunter> I bet only when it turns off
[13:21] <seba-> oh
[13:21] <seba-> then yes you need a snubber
[13:21] <futrzak> but it stays garbaged all the time
[13:21] <seba-> i mistakenly assumed
[13:21] <seba-> never mind
[13:21] <seba-> m
[13:21] <seba-> hm
[13:22] <seba-> futrzak, do you have a protection diode?
[13:22] <seba-> btw, how much current can a GPIO supply?
[13:22] <Triffid_Hunter> diode isn't fun if he's switching AC with it
[13:22] <seba-> i don't know
[13:22] <futrzak> the relay has a diode on every circuit
[13:22] <seba-> ok
[13:22] <Triffid_Hunter> not for snubbing the high side arc.. definitely need one on the low voltage side though
[13:22] <seba-> yeah
[13:22] <seba-> that is what i meant
[13:23] <Triffid_Hunter> futrzak: what's between the relay and the pi?
[13:23] <futrzak> where do I put the snubber?
[13:23] <seba-> yeah do you have a fet or transistor
[13:23] <futrzak> nothing.. I mean wires
[13:23] <seba-> or you have it directly to the GPIO?
[13:23] <seba-> oh
[13:23] <futrzak> directly to GPIO
[13:23] <seba-> well i don't know what current the GPIO supplies
[13:23] <seba-> but you usually need 50-100 mA
[13:23] <Triffid_Hunter> futrzak: where'd you find a relay that works on 3v 10mA?
[13:23] <seba-> to drive the relay
[13:23] <futrzak> ebay.. 5V
[13:23] <seba-> lol
[13:24] <seba-> futrzak, you need a mosfet/transistor
[13:24] <futrzak> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-5V-8-Channel-Relay-Module-Board-for-Arduino-PIC-AVR-MCU-DSP-ARM-Electronic-/270984095956?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:PL:3160
[13:25] <Triffid_Hunter> or if the load is a 12 or 24v heater, AOT240L mosfet
[13:25] <futrzak> this is my relay board
[13:25] <seba-> let's see
[13:25] <seba-> oh
[13:25] <seba-> ok it has fets
[13:25] <Triffid_Hunter> futrzak: looks like they're optically isolated
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> oh not one of those again.
[13:25] <futrzak> it is :)
[13:25] <seba-> but still
[13:26] <seba-> it could be that the FETs need 5V
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> the inputs are designed for 5v.
[13:26] <seba-> not 3V3
[13:26] <Triffid_Hunter> futrzak: ah, well then you have optoisolators between the pi and the relay ;)
[13:26] <Triffid_Hunter> seba-: I've never seen a transistor in a package like that, only optocouplers
[13:26] <seba-> yeah or that
[13:26] <seba-> still applies the same
[13:26] <futrzak> it is connected to 5v GPIO
[13:26] <seba-> also you need 15-20 mA
[13:27] <seba-> to drive the opto
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> The Pi's GPIO is 3.3v not 5V.
[13:27] <seba-> and apparently GPIO supplies only 10 mA
[13:27] <|Jeroen|> wow cheap relay board
[13:27] <|Jeroen|> yeah but it would probably work with 3.3
[13:27] <futrzak> The pi has 3.3V and 5V on GPIO
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[13:27] <seba-> it has 3V3 and 5V power afaik
[13:27] <Datalink> that's power rail only
[13:27] <seba-> the logic is all 3V3
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[13:28] <seba-> but i'm not much a master in this, i've only gotten the first r.pi yesterday :)
[13:28] <Datalink> Pi is actually dangerously sensitive to 5V, I consider a recent 'oops' to be lucky that my accidentally wiring my power leads backwards didn't fry my Pi
[13:28] <futrzak> so what do you say? should I power the relay board from external PSU?
[13:28] <seba-> no
[13:29] <seba-> futrzak, this board is designed for arduino, which has 5 V logic
[13:29] <seba-> r.pi has 3V3 logic
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> there's a restor you can change for each opto isolator to make it work at 3.3v
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> there are several variants of that board though. I've no idea how they make them so cheap.
[13:30] <ciboulette> hello all, my Pi turned out to have the C6 capacitor broken off already in the box. This seems to be a fairly common thing and not very serious for the functionality, so I'm wondering if I should be going through the trouble of having the unit replaced?
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> ciboulette, I'd send it back.
[13:30] <futrzak> relays are closing and opening well
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> ciboulette, however I've not read anything about it being common.
[13:30] <Datalink> I second gordonDrogon's assessment ciboulette
[13:31] <ciboulette> gordonDrogon: the FAQ had an entry about this thing breaking, so not totally uncommon
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> well, if the relays are working, what's the issue then?
[13:31] <Datalink> that means it's happened, not that it's common
[13:31] <futrzak> it breaks my lcd display
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[13:31] <ciboulette> gordonDrogon: but replacing it means i have to cover the expenses of shipping it back, right?
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> ciboulette, depends on what country you are in, but very probably.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> futrzak, if the relays are beoing powered off the 5v supply then there is not wnough current left to power the display (probably) get a separate 5v supply for the relays.
[13:32] <Datalink> company too, some places have sent me RMA boxes
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> however it's coffee time here. laters.
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[13:33] <ciboulette> anyone here who has gone through replacing a unit? how long does it take?
[13:33] <futrzak> gordonDrogon, when the relays are not connected to AC everything works OK - LCD does not get garbaged
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[13:34] <Datalink> futrzak, mechanical or optical relay?
[13:35] <futrzak> I am not sure the difference - I would say mechanical becase when relay opens or closes I hear click
[13:36] <|Jeroen|> http://www.ebay.com/itm/16-Channel-12V-Relay-Module-for-Arduino-PIC-ARM-DSP-PLC-/271087670280?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f1e159408 would be better
[13:36] <futrzak> and why is that?
[13:37] <Datalink> ok, those use an electromagnet, which spikes current when shut off due to the magnetic field collapsing, it'd need isolation.
[13:37] <Datalink> |Jeroen|, oh, nice, that one's 3v3 capable
[13:37] <futrzak> how do I isolate it?
[13:39] <Datalink> futrzak, looking up a good design, moment
[13:40] <booyaa> oh awesome looks like iphones can do ptpp which means i can setup this up on my pi http://wellsb.com/post/29412820494/raspberry-pi-vpn-server
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[13:43] <MalMen> what is the bestway to run a background picture on top of X?
[13:43] <Datalink> futrzak, http://ruggedcircuits.com/html/circuit__19.html would be what I use
[13:44] <Datalink> futrzak, though the #7 circuit would also be viable
[13:45] <Datalink> though the relay board you're working with should have this, hm...
[13:45] <futrzak> Datalink I am not good at reading this... where is my relay board here?
[13:46] <futrzak> earlier someone suggested a condesator on the power of LCD
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[13:47] <futrzak> capacitor
[13:47] <futrzak> in English :)
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[13:49] <Datalink> futrzak, caps can be useful, this could help, but I'd prefer a more proper secondary power for the relays: http://ruggedcircuits.com/html/circuit__13.html
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[13:50] <Datalink> this is basically a very small power backup, with isolation, the zeiner diode and resistor allow the cap to be charged but not affect the rest of the circuit, when the relays cause a power drain, it'll kick power to compensate
[13:50] <futrzak> the relay board has 5V Vcc should I put it there?
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[13:51] <Datalink> I wouldn't use the Pi for powering anything with a load over 100 ma... that board should be hooked up to the same source you get the Pi's USB in power from
[13:52] <Datalink> lemme find my octal level converter, I use it to interface between 3v3 and 5v circuits (I have a display that's 3v3 only I use with my Arduino)
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[13:57] <Kane_> o/
[14:00] <Datalink> SN74LVC245AN from Texas Instruments http://www.ti.com/product/sn74lvc245a you can request a sample from TI or from other electrical suppliers it's known as an octal buffer/driver and will provide 8 level shifted pins between the Pi's 3v3 and the device's 5v, get pdip (plastic dual inline pins) for breadboard use
[14:00] <futrzak> Datalink forgive my lack of knowledge but I am trying to understand something - what does it mean that the GPIO logic is 3v3. Is it the when I put some pin in HIGH state a 3v3 voltage appears on that pin?
[14:00] <Datalink> yes
[14:01] <nabukadnezar43> futrzak, that's right
[14:01] <nabukadnezar43> unlike the standart 5v
[14:01] <nabukadnezar43> or maybe should i say common
[14:01] <Datalink> high is 3.3 volts, both in and out, you can only put in 3.5 volts as well, any more breaks the circuit controlling the pin
[14:02] <nabukadnezar43> also try not to short the output, always make sure you use a resistor
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[14:03] <Triffid_Hunter> the lpc1769 I'm working with atm has 5v tolerant inputs, is nice to not have to worry about that
[14:03] <futrzak> how do I connect this SN74LVC245AN? It looks complicated
[14:03] <Datalink> short in electrical terms is when power is directly connected to ground, you should typically add some form of load, resistors, inductors or other things which need power
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[14:04] <Datalink> http://learn.adafruit.com/096-mini-color-oled/wiring this is the tutorial for the display I got mine with, you will be putting the Pi on the display side and the relay board on the Arduino's side
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[14:09] <Datalink> oh, difference will be that pin 1 should be powered instead of grounded, since you're sending from the 3v3 to the 5v device
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[14:13] <futrzak> Datalink tahnk you for your help. I will try to connect this and hope I won't break my pi :)
[14:13] <Datalink> ok, I have damaged mine through 5v on a GPIO pin, so I do advise extreme caution
[14:14] <apo> heh, when I have my usb wlan card plugged in I get a kernel oops in some kbd handling function when I enter my user name in a VT
[14:15] <apo> Guess I'll just continue building xorg-server
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[14:23] <apo> >>> Emerging (1 of 21) dev-lang/python-2.7.3-r2
[14:23] <apo> oh dear
[14:23] <apo> that's going to take a bit
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[14:32] <futrzak> Datalink one more question. As I will start with things I can do now I would like to as you how to connect capacitor to LCD display? Should I just plug the + of the CAP to Vcc of LCD and - to GND?
[14:36] <Datalink> uh, I'm not the best with power circuits like that
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[14:50] <nabukadnezar43> futrzak, no caps, just connect vcc to the 3.3v or 5v
[14:50] <nabukadnezar43> whatever it needs
[14:51] <nabukadnezar43> but gpio outputs 3.3v, so if your lcd uses 5v, then connect an external power supply with 5v output
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[14:52] <nabukadnezar43> as for gnd, just connect it to gnd, no caps either
[14:53] <nabukadnezar43> how are you going to send data to lcd?
[14:53] <futrzak> ok, I will try external power supply
[14:53] <nabukadnezar43> is it 2x16 lcd?
[14:53] <futrzak> by the GPIO pins.
[14:53] <futrzak> It is 2x16 alphanumeric LCD
[14:54] <nabukadnezar43> well it might be a problem if lcd uses 5v logic
[14:55] <futrzak> it is working right now.. but I also have got a relay board connected to rpi and when there is an AC connected to the relay board the LCD gets garbaged
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[15:06] <MalMen> is there any alternative for rdestop for rdp access ?
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[15:13] <orvtech> hell
[15:13] <orvtech> hello
[15:14] <nabukadnezar43> MalMen, you asked the same question in archlinux and received an answer
[15:14] <orvtech> Friends, Is there a way to make the RPi talk (more like listen) with the Teensy 3 without using the USB port?
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[15:15] <Laice> o/
[15:15] <Laice> struggling to find a minimal debian image that boots, anyone know of a good one?
[15:15] <mythos> MalMen, freerdp
[15:15] <nabukadnezar43> Laice, if you want minimal get archlinux-arm
[15:16] <plugwash> orvtech, more than likely yes but you will have to read some schematics and datasheets to figure out exactly how
[15:16] <Laice> i'm not familiar with arch at all, but have been using debian for years
[15:17] <Laice> literally all i need is a very low key debian build. Had a go removing anything to do with gui's last night and managed to foobar it
[15:18] <orvtech> plugwash: thank you
[15:18] <orvtech> ill keep searching
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[15:22] <plugwash> taking a closer look at the website the tennsy 3 apparently has 3 uarts available and has a 3.3V IO voltage, so it should be pretty easy to hook up one of it's uarts to the one on the Pi
[15:24] <orvtech> plugwash: THank you, I am a total noob about microcontrollers, I will read about UARTs
[15:24] <orvtech> .. and see if some one has done something already with schematics available
[15:24] <Datalink> hm http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Expansion-Board-/160954775686?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2579a6f886
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[15:28] <futrzak> Datalink looks very good.. but the price.. quite high
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[15:31] <Datalink> yeah >.<
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[15:44] <booyaa> anyone recommend a cheap usb microphone/soundcard that i can use to record audio on a pi?
[15:45] <Laice> still no joy with a minimal debian : (
[15:45] <Perkele> sorry, something came up earlier, so i'm asking again:
[15:45] <Perkele> how come the hostname in /etc/hostname is raspbmc, but in my network it shows up as xmbc-9259?
[15:45] <Perkele> not in samba or whatever, but the servername my router shows under "connected devices"
[15:46] <Perkele> and how it shows in nmap
[15:46] <skope> great nickname
[15:46] <Perkele> thx
[15:46] <skope> oh you're not finnish
[15:46] <nextime> Perkele : probably what you are seeing isn't an hostname but the name dlna from xbmc advise in your network?
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[15:47] <Perkele> nextime: ok how do i change that name?
[15:47] <nextime> Perkele : in the options gui in xbmc?
[15:48] <Perkele> alright let me check
[15:48] <nextime> and/or accessing ~/.xbmc/something/somethingelse.xml
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[15:52] <Perkele> i have this in my dhclient.conf:
[15:52] <Perkele> send host-name = gethostname();
[15:52] <Perkele> so i don't get why the hostname shows up differently
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[17:03] <Bane`> Crap
[17:03] <Bane`> When I ordered my Pi, it said the was one on stock
[17:03] <Bane`> Now it changed to back order >.<
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[17:13] <Torikun> yo
[17:13] <Torikun> sup room
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[17:16] <BigShip> good morning!
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[17:18] <nabukadnezar43> evening
[17:18] <Reventlov> Hello.
[17:18] <Torikun> Hi
[17:18] <Reventlov> ????Raspberry Pi | An ARM GNU/Linux box for $25. Take a byte!????
[17:18] <Reventlov> well, where can I buy it for 25$ ? and not 32??? ?
[17:19] <BigShip> uh, the $25 is for model A I think
[17:19] <nabukadnezar43> yes model a is 25$
[17:19] <|Jeroen|> are the A models for sale?
[17:19] <BigShip> dunno
[17:19] <|Jeroen|> only c the B model at RS
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[17:20] <BigShip> if not i'd assume they'd be coming out this summer with the student version?
[17:20] <nabukadnezar43> http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/default.aspx?cl=1
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[17:20] <nabukadnezar43> that's model b
[17:21] <nabukadnezar43> 35$ exc. vat
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[17:27] <nabukadnezar43> is there a rpi case that allows gpio access?
[17:28] <Gordio> "Raspberry Pi | An ARM GNU/Linux box for $25. Take a byte!" - LIE!
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[17:28] <BigShip> nabukadnezar43: kind of
[17:28] <FrankBlues> Gordio, what part?
[17:29] <BigShip> nabukadnezar43: there are a lot of cases that allow gpio cables, but not direct access to the pins
[17:29] <BigShip> nabukadnezar43: check out the pibow
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[17:30] <nabukadnezar43> ok, will check, thanks
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[17:35] <blaamann_b570> Is the bootcode.bin broadcom GPU binary available as open source?
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[17:37] <Torikun> blaamann_b570: is that why the pi needs cmd files to boot?
[17:37] <Gordio> blaamann_b570, nop
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[17:37] <Gordio> availale "Video Driver" as open source :D
[17:38] <Gordio> but blob is blob
[17:38] <CathyInBlue> Anyone gotten their hot little hands on the 5 MP camera modules yet?
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[17:39] <blaamann_b570> Gordio: Thanks
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[17:41] <CathyInBlue> RasPi cameras? Anyone?
[17:41] <Gordio> CathyInBlue, sorry :(
[17:41] <turndevil> you mean this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8N7kgtL0-Ts
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[17:42] <CathyInBlue> Those are the ones.
[17:43] <CathyInBlue> I'm wondering what computational overhead is left over for image processing between the 5MP video stream and output through the Ethernet jack.
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[17:44] <mentar> CathyInBlue: Well the GPU supports h264 encode, so hopefully streaming should be good
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[17:45] <CathyInBlue> Ah. So it would be entirely possible to run OpenCV on the ARM and have it work on the compressed h264 video stream from the GPU without difficulty.
[17:46] <CathyInBlue> I'm thinking in terms of a low-level "video phone" set up that can do facial recognition and feature detection.
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[17:47] <mentar> Maybe not at full HD, but i definitely think it should be possible
[17:47] <CathyInBlue> My video plus facial/feature data gets squirted out the Ethernet to the other person's Raspi and displayed on their HDMI out and vice versa.
[17:48] <mentar> I am hoping to do quite abit of OpenCV stuff with ROS
[17:48] <CathyInBlue> ROS?
[17:48] <mentar> http://ros.org
[17:48] <mentar> Robotic Operating System
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[17:49] <Perkele> i don't get it, my /etc/hostname says the hostname is raspbmc, but in the logs of my router it shows up as xbmc-9259. where does it get that name? it's really annoying
[17:50] <Perkele> in dhclient.conf the hostname is set via gethostname();
[17:50] <CathyInBlue> Any particular problems with just using ARM Linux with RT extensions for that purpose?
[17:50] <Perkele> putting it there directly in quotes doesn't change anything, even after restarting the network
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[17:51] <CathyInBlue> Is /etc/hostname reset by dhcpcd? If not, then you might set it in hostname, but when the unit boots and DHCPs, its identity on the network might change from hostname's setting.
[17:51] <mentar> cathyInBlue: ROS is massive, it's hard enough getting it to work on a debian base
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[17:52] <mentar> PCL takes over 24 hours to compile :O
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[17:53] * gordonDrogon waves.
[17:53] * TAFB waves back
[17:54] <mentar> Hi gordonDrogon
[17:54] <mentar> You are into robotics aswell, aren't you?
[17:55] <UnaClocker> TAFB: I figured out why PHP wasn't working on my server.. Works now..
[17:56] <TAFB> Nice :)
[17:56] <TAFB> php-fpm with nginx?
[17:56] <UnaClocker> heh, I have no idea what that means.. But at some point the lighttpd conf file got updated and disabled the php.. So a wiki I host stopped working..
[17:57] <UnaClocker> I had thought the wiki got hacked, so I deleted it.. But then I restored a backup, and that didn't work either...
[17:57] <TAFB> are you running apache?
[17:57] <UnaClocker> No.. Apache is a memory hog.
[17:57] <UnaClocker> I'm running lighttpd
[17:57] <TAFB> ahhhh
[17:57] <TAFB> I'm running nginx
[17:57] <UnaClocker> Ahh, never heard of it..
[17:57] <TAFB> pronounced "Engine X"
[17:57] <TAFB> supposed to be the fastest :)
[17:58] <UnaClocker> Ahh, cool..
[17:58] <TAFB> http://tafb.yi.org
[17:58] <TAFB> check the speedz
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[17:58] <UnaClocker> Where can I get that script? I'll toss it up on mine to compare...
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[17:58] <TAFB> source code (for the Pi) is at the bottom
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> mentar, yes, I do robot stuff.
[17:59] <nid0> fwiw TAFB: your caching for that page isnt working entirely smoothly
[17:59] <TAFB> gordon: you do anything with analog to digital stuff with the Pi? I need my Pi to read some voltages (0 to 5v) :)
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> TAFB, I wrote some stuff to use the A/D chip on the Gertboard.
[18:00] <TAFB> nid0: what do you mean?
[18:00] <UnaClocker> TAFB: I have, I used an ATTiny hooked up to the GPIO UART..
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> SPI A/D's are relatively easy to use.
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> or an Atmega chip.... :)
[18:00] <TAFB> gordonDrogon: nice. I need to monitor some voltages from my solar power array and battery pack that's powering the Pi. log it and graph it :)
[18:00] <mentar> gordonDrogon: Any alternatives to ROS that I may be missing?
[18:00] <mentar> IN the context of the RPi ofcourse
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> mentar, I've never used ROS.
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> mentar, everything I do is sort of custom, from scratch.
[18:01] <nid0> TAFB: the page appears to be sometimes fetching fresh values then bouncing back to a cached result. looking at the uptime for example, I load the page, uptime is 11:58:41. I reload it, it says 12:00:37 for 2-3 seconds, then changes to 11:58:41
[18:01] <mentar> Ah ok
[18:01] <nid0> so the page is clearly looking up fresh values but then also returning a cached old result
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[18:01] <TAFB> nid0: wacky, works flawless for me :) lol.
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[18:02] <TAFB> nid0: actually, someone said to add to the page "no cache" or something, so the browser doesn't try and pull from IT'S cache.
[18:02] <nid0> its not local caching my end
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> mentar, what are you looking at controlling?
[18:02] <TAFB> hmmm. only thing I can think of then is the TCP/IP packets are arriving out of order, not much I can do bout that ;)
[18:05] <UnaClocker> Hmm, yeah, that script crashes horribly on my server..
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[18:05] <TAFB> bummer, I've only tested it with Pancake and Nginx
[18:05] <UnaClocker> http://www.neonsquirt.com/tafb
[18:06] <nid0> you're just missing phpchart or its configuration
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[18:06] <TAFB> yeah, looks like you gotta fix the paths
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/benchTor.jpg <-- Where I was this afternoon...
[18:07] <TAFB> nice
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[18:08] <TAFB> my friend just moved to Maritus (sp?) and he sends me pictures like that every day :(
[18:08] <nid0> damn, winter hasnt taken hold down south yet then
[18:08] <nid0> thoroughly miserable crappy weather in norfolk at the moment
[18:08] <TAFB> Martius
[18:09] <TAFB> mauritius
[18:09] <TAFB> there we go, that's it
[18:09] <rideh> surprisingly warm day in indiana for us, went from 20s to high 50s
[18:09] <Torikun> 28 degrees here in Cali
[18:09] <ohhmaar> Which browser do you prefer to use on the pi?
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> nid0, no snow, but a chilly 3C
[18:10] <booyaa> http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter
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[18:10] <Torikun> 33 degrees i mean
[18:10] <booyaa> impressed
[18:10] <rideh> so i'm looking to get into hardware hacking for the first time since i was a kid making erm,, boxes ;)
[18:10] <UnaClocker> 33C?
[18:10] <Torikun> F
[18:11] <rideh> having a hard time finding a raspberry pi to buy
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[18:11] <UnaClocker> Ahh, huge difference between 33C and F..
[18:11] <Torikun> rideh: https://www.mcmelectronics.com/
[18:11] <Torikun> they have them available
[18:11] <Torikun> I just bought one last week
[18:11] <Torikun> from them
[18:11] <Torikun> they said in stock, hopefully ships out monday
[18:13] <rideh> thanks i'll give it a shot
[18:14] <rideh> is raspberry pi a good spot for me to get back in at? or should i start with somethign simpler? I am fairly handy with python / node.js so thats part of the draw for me
[18:15] <booyaa> yup thriving community
[18:15] <rideh> but the EE/ ME will be pretty much new
[18:16] <Mp5shooter> what do you guys even do with your raspberry pis?
[18:16] <TAFB> Webserver/email server :)
[18:16] <Torikun> Mp5shooter: let me show you http://www.linux-toys.com/
[18:16] <Torikun> DNS, EMail, WEB, web load balancer
[18:17] <TAFB> 50c Torikin! Your Pi is cookin ;)
[18:17] <Torikun> lol
[18:18] <Mp5shooter> if I get a pi I'll probably turn it into a wifi AP
[18:18] <rideh> i'm looking to make the following (after i build up the skills to get there): bubble bath maker (sms / webapp driven), creditcard proccessing door knob, gps transponder for equipment (though that may be more of a arudino thing?)
[18:18] <Torikun> is that really bad TAFB ?
[18:18] <Mp5shooter> so there's on on the other side of the house for better signal :P
[18:19] <TAFB> Torikun: naaa, it's fine, I was dokin.
[18:19] <Torikun> lol
[18:19] <TAFB> when it gets to 70c then it's gettin warm
[18:19] <Torikun> lol
[18:19] <Mp5shooter> I saw a website selling little heatsinks for the pi lol
[18:19] <rideh> do those seem like reasonble projects?
[18:20] <TAFB> Mp5shooter: My 2nd replacement Pi came with heatsinks! http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi.jpg
[18:20] <rideh> though i probably have to start with 2 lights, "hello" and "world"
[18:20] <Mp5shooter> haha nice
[18:20] <Mp5shooter> hmm
[18:20] <Mp5shooter> you know what we need?
[18:21] <Mp5shooter> a wifi antenna with an ethernet plug
[18:21] <TAFB> ?
[18:21] <Mp5shooter> wait nvm
[18:21] <TAFB> they have them, they are called access points? :)
[18:21] <mentar> gordonDrogon: Sorry, I want to do a bot that can navigate a building, map out the area and plug itself into the socket
[18:21] <pksato> Mp5shooter: ap on client mode.
[18:21] <rideh> can a rasberry pi function as a remote terminal for ddp?
[18:21] <pksato> ap = access point.
[18:22] <rideh> *rdp
[18:22] <pksato> rideh: yes.
[18:22] <mjr> with eg. rdesktop, yes
[18:22] <rideh> ok just wasn't sure about the horsepower
[18:23] <mjr> horsepower isn't really an issue for a terminal, even a graphical one
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[18:23] <rideh> mjr: doesnt take much work to decompress the video ?
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[18:25] <mjr> not that much, it's generally rather different from the heavy duty video compressions
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[18:26] <mjr> though if you're going to play actual video over the rdp session, you're in for a disappointing performance
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[18:27] <rideh> haha, yeah i use rdp/vnc/join.me/logmein/ad naseum quite a bit, just didnt realize the video compression decompression bit was so light
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[18:37] <Perkele> nextime: in case you're interested, looks like NetworkManager is overriding the hostname, and there is a file in /etc/NetworkManager/ somewhere
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[19:17] <Auto9211> Hi! A stupid question, in order to OC the Pi (with warranty) I simply SSH into it, write "mount /flash -o remount,rw" then use "vi" and edit the "config.txt" and remove the bracket (#) in front of the overclocking option ("turbo" etc.) that I want to use and then save,quit and reboot?
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[19:20] <Auto9211> is the above way the correct one to enable "turbo mode"?
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[19:25] <moritz_89> hey guys
[19:26] <moritz_89> somebodys want to help me with using GPIO? Is it possible with python?
[19:26] <sciurius> Auto9211: doesn't (recent) setup handle OC?
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[19:27] <netzvieh> Auto9211: that would be a way, yes, but raspi-config offers this functionality too
[19:27] <Vegar> Auto9211: edit /boot/config.txt
[19:27] <Vegar> note that overclocking is known to corrupt the SD filesystem
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[19:27] <Vegar> (AFAIK)
[19:27] <pksato> moritz_89: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[19:28] <moritz_89> pksato: thanx
[19:28] <netzvieh> Vegar: only the Turbo preset has some reports iirc
[19:28] <lgeyer> hello. we are planning on ordering a bunch of pis and i just wanted to ask if there are any new models / refreshs planned in the (immediate) future.
[19:28] <netzvieh> lgeyer: I don't think so, and if they would be released in a year+
[19:29] <lgeyer> netzvieh: alright, thanks. that's beyond our ordering horizon.
[19:29] <mjr> they'd probably not divulge that if it isn't public already. But I doubt that.
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[19:30] <netzvieh> i hope they get that video blob free this year
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[19:31] <mjr> not happening
[19:32] <jelly1> haha
[19:32] <jelly1> mjr: you can have fun with the rpc blob!
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[19:33] <moritz_89> wich language is more easy for using GPIO ?
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[19:34] <Serano> python is my love
[19:34] <pksato> moritz_89: depend of your skills.
[19:34] <Serano> but others might say something else
[19:35] <moritz_89> pksato: just learned a bit java and c++ but too much time left since school
[19:36] <pksato> and, that you want do with GPIO.
[19:36] <moritz_89> i want to write scripts that listening to GPIO Pins and starting for example when there is an input on GPIO
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> moritz_89, what language are you most familiar with?
[19:37] <pksato> for slow, and no critical timing, any lang.
[19:37] <moritz_89> c++ was fun in school
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> C is easy to do gpio stuff in, but so is BASIC.
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> my wiringPi library is written in C and callable from c++.
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> (my basic interpreter uses it, so you can play with the Pi's gpio in basic if you want!)
[19:38] <moritz_89> so basic is easy to use?
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> I think so.
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> it was the first programming language I learned.
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> however there are a *lot* of people who will rubbish BASIC.
[19:39] <dniMretsaM> good afternoon guys
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> and to be fair, it's not the best language for writing big production applications in.
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> (well mine isn't, although some are)
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[19:40] <dniMretsaM> talking about BASIC?
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> but if you're OK with c++, then stick to that.
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> dniMretsaM, Yup :)
[19:40] <pksato> moritz_89: try python. most gpio examples are in python.
[19:40] <dniMretsaM> do you use RISC OS on your Pi?
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> pksato, all my gpio examples are in C and Bash ..
[19:40] <moritz_89> no using raspbian
[19:41] <pksato> and, Pi come from python. :)
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> my basic runs under raspbian, but really if you're OK with c++ then stick to that.
[19:41] <moritz_89> but if u have a better idea for using Pi just tell me xD
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> it depends on what you want to do...
[19:41] <dniMretsaM> I never learned BASIC. I got into programming with a little bit of Python 3. I've just started learning some C++
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> and everyone is different.
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> I'm not a fan of c++ but have written lots and lots of C.
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> and basic.
[19:42] <moritz_89> i want basicly use the GPIO
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> it's a resouce usable from any language on the Pi.
[19:43] <pksato> and, shell script (bash, csh, etc) using sysfs or other tools.
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> so I'm suggesting you use the language you're most familiar with.
[19:43] <dniMretsaM> moritz_89: wiringPi (C/C++) or whatever the python library is. those are probably your best bets
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi is my C library to access the gpio.
[19:44] <dniMretsaM> what is the Python library called?
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> others have produced python, ruby, perl, php wrappers for it ...
[19:44] <dniMretsaM> le me googles
[19:44] <dniMretsaM> it's just RPi.GPIO. pretty simple name
[19:45] <pksato> RPi.GPIO or wiringPi, or any other way to access GPIO.
[19:46] <moritz_89> or maybe u know a software using GPIO to play with for the beginning?
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[19:47] <moritz_89> so i need a language which is not to crazy
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> shell script?
[19:47] <moritz_89> maybe u know what i mean
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> or BASIC.
[19:47] <pksato> moritz_89: read all http://www.themagpi.com/
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> you can just type commands to read the gpio pins, or set them.
[19:48] <netzvieh> moritz_89: do you want to use brackets? then C/C++, else python ^^
[19:48] <moritz_89> xDC
[19:48] <moritz_89> -c
[19:48] <moritz_89> so python is not to different to c++?
[19:48] <Tachyon`> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170973023891 <- 64GB Pi friendly (IE: 1.8") SSD for ??33
[19:49] <dniMretsaM> python and c++ are a lot different
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> python and c++ are very much different.
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> also a lot very much :)
[19:49] <|Jeroen|> yeah python is crap :-)
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[19:49] <gordonDrogon> |Jeroen|, indeed.. :)
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> (says the basic programmer ;-)
[19:50] <moritz_89> so some things i remember in c++ is <<cin >>cout and so on xD
[19:50] <|Jeroen|> lol i also do a lot of vb
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> souds like the course wasn't that detailled...
[19:50] <netzvieh> moritz_89: you should follow pksatos advice and read a bit in the magpi issues ;)
[19:51] <moritz_89> so i just want to learn a language which is not to crazy. for ex. with java and all those classes ill be never familiar with
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[19:52] <dniMretsaM> moritz_89: just pick a language
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[19:52] <pksato> and have scratch
[19:53] <rideh> haha, https://npmjs.org/package/pi-gpio awesome i can keep learning node.js
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[19:54] <rideh> though i'm sure i'll go back to python just because of the increadible flexibility / libraries
[19:54] <Auto9211_> sorry for asking this question again but in order to get overclocking working I just remove the bracket in the config.txt file that is before the option I want to use (i.e. "Turbo mode")?
[19:55] <dniMretsaM> Auto9211_: you can set up overclocking in the raspi-config program (other settings besides just turbo mode)
[19:55] <pksato> Auto9211_: if using raspian, use rpi-config
[19:55] <pksato> ops, raspi-config
[19:55] <pksato> I never remember correct name of these tools. :)
[19:55] <Auto9211_> I am running OpenELEC and can't seem to find any options for overclocking in the GUI
[19:56] <dniMretsaM> pksato: I get confused about rpi-update and raspi-config all the time
[19:57] <pksato> Turbo mode is frequency scalling. no exact is a oc.
[19:57] <Auto9211_> meaning? english is not my first language :)
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> moritz_89, if you can read this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/snake.rtb then you know BASIC ...
[19:59] <Tachyon`> that looks like BBC Basic
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[20:00] <gordonDrogon> it has origins in both Apple and BBC basics ...
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[20:00] <dniMretsaM> gordonDrogon: I got lost after the 8th slash
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> dniMretsaM, try harder. 2/10 ... :)
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[20:01] <moritz_89> snakedia ist ne variable?
[20:02] <moritz_89> sry that was german
[20:02] <moritz_89> snakeDIa is a var ?
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[20:04] <dniMretsaM> gordonDrogon: I tried harder. I can follow what it's doing, mostly. I certainly don't understand it, though
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[20:13] <_julian> hi
[20:13] <_julian> does someone know if it would be possible to draw a layer using qml on top of omxplayer video output using dispman?
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[20:15] <gordonDrogon> dniMretsaM, oh don't wory. what language do you program in?
[20:16] <dniMretsaM> gordonDrogon: I started with Python 3, but I've just started learning C++ recently
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> dniMretsaM, ok. I don't do python or c++ at all, just C ...
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[20:17] <dniMretsaM> I did like one tiny thing in C once. but it was exactly the same as how I would've done it in C++
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[20:18] <gordonDrogon> C is a subset of c++
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> you can compile a C program with a c++ compiler (mosrly)
[20:18] <Spiffy> Excuse me?
[20:18] <dniMretsaM> you're excused
[20:18] * Spiffy feels physical pain
[20:19] * Spiffy needs to part after that remark
[20:19] <dniMretsaM> gordonDrogon: I use the GCC for compiling my stuff
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> Spiffy is obvously a c++ programmer who feels the pain of people calling C a subset...
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[20:19] <dniMretsaM> lol
[20:19] <dniMretsaM> apparently
[20:19] <jelly1> lol
[20:19] * gordonDrogon shrugs
[20:19] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: C is so much C++ is not, it must be bad
[20:19] <jelly1> :p
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> delepnds what you like. I've been doing C for over 30 years now.
[20:20] <jelly1> cool stuff, but soon i will need a project for a Pi
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> I did spend one year doing c++ commercially. Didn't like it, so stuck with C.
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[20:21] <jelly1> one is for xbmc the other might become a kitchen computer or something cool :)
[20:21] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: i like Qt
[20:21] <dniMretsaM> gordonDrogon: I take it you prefer procedural languages
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[20:22] <dniMretsaM> jelly1: I like Qt, too. that's on of the reasons I picked up C++
[20:22] <dniMretsaM> s/on/one/
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[20:22] <gordonDrogon> dniMretsaM, yes. mostly.
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> tried to get my head round prolog once....
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> sort of got it at the time, but never had a real use for it, so have mostly forgotten it.
[20:23] <dniMretsaM> isn't that like an AI language?
[20:23] <jelly1> haskell is nice, but gives me too much of a headache
[20:24] <dniMretsaM> the extremely small amount of Haskell that I know comes from using XMonad
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> dniMretsaM, one of them... allows you to build up data and express queries using it.
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> Hey, you could all go and play with CESIL :)
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/cesil-controlled-xmas-tree-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[20:25] <jelly1> woot
[20:25] <dniMretsaM> um, no thanks
[20:25] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: should do something like that but with lightning
[20:25] <jelly1> lighting
[20:25] <jelly1> :p
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> lighting?
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> as in stage lighting, etc. ?
[20:25] <jelly1> no
[20:25] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: for the hall ;)
[20:26] <jelly1> with a motion sensor
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> I don't really have a hall...
[20:26] <jelly1> too esay though
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> however this: https://projects.drogon.net/halloween-pi/ achieves just that ...
[20:27] <jelly1> nice website
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> PIR, Pi, and some lights...
[20:27] <jelly1> looks wellcovered :)
[20:27] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: weather station would be cool ;)
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> jelly1, thanks. it's a good theme I found for wordpress.
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> weather station ... like this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws2.jpg http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws1.jpg
[20:28] <jelly1> lol
[20:28] <jelly1> hahha
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> that's on an arduino though, but it was planned to feed back to a Pi..
[20:29] <jelly1> :D
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[20:29] <dniMretsaM> well, I'm out for a while. gotta do some calculus
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[20:32] <dniMretsaM_away> (shh! I'm not here)
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[20:33] <gordonDrogon> Hunting wabbits?
[20:33] <dniMretsaM_away> lol
[20:33] <dniMretsaM_away> no. taking derivatives
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI9Nbt7oJG0
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[20:46] <sciurius> What is the magic incarnation to start a RPI emulating environment with Qemu (on Linux)?
[20:47] <jelly1> getting an image and a beefy cpu
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[20:48] <sciurius> Have image, Qemu and CPI :)
[20:49] <sciurius> CPU
[20:49] <sciurius> Even a kernel.
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[20:50] <sciurius> One of the problems is that I don't get /dev/mmcblk0p1 and so
[20:50] <jelly1> you won't
[20:50] <sciurius> Oh?
[20:51] <jelly1> sciurius: the disk will have a different name probably
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[20:51] <gordonDrogon> not used qemu since I got a Pi ..
[20:51] <sciurius> yes, usually /dev/sda1 etc
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[20:53] <jelly1> so what do you want to achieve sciurius ?
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[20:55] <sciurius> a 'perfect' emulator where I can develop and maintain images for the RPI.
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[20:57] <sciurius> (Or as perfect as possible)
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[20:59] <richardbranson> hi, how to check cpu temp?
[21:00] <axion> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
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[21:01] <richardbranson> thank you
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[21:02] <home> omg
[21:02] <home> I just broke that capacitor in front of the microusb
[21:02] <home> it came off really easily >.>
[21:03] <richardbranson> you can fix it easily, if you've got average soldering skill
[21:03] <axion> home: not a big deal though
[21:04] <home> really? why
[21:04] <home> I got solder, ad soldering skill
[21:04] <home> but.. :o
[21:04] <richardbranson> but i readed about that when i bought my own pi, and people said even without this capacitor pi will work fine, but im unsure what with under pressure
[21:04] <axion> is it labeled C6?
[21:04] <home> I think so
[21:04] <axion> it regulates power. un-needed with a decent power supply
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[21:05] <axion> mine broke months ago
[21:05] <richardbranson> i put my pi to case and i dont touching it
[21:05] <blueskiesokie> i can get audio over HDMI but what command should i use if i want to switch it back to audio thru the Headphone jack?
[21:05] <axion> blueskiesokie: search forums for the amixer command
[21:06] <richardbranson> alsa-mixer
[21:06] <richardbranson> alsamixer
[21:06] <richardbranson> sorry
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[21:09] <home> axion: okay!
[21:10] <axion> you may end up doing harm by attempting to solder it back when it will work without
[21:10] <home> okay...
[21:10] <axion> there is more info on the forums
[21:10] <axion> look for c6 capacitor
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[21:21] <blueskiesokie> from what i can find it should be 'amixer cset num=3 1' i know that 'amixer cset num=3 2' get sound over HDMI but cant seem to get sound from headphone jack?
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[21:23] <home> I think I can resolder it
[21:23] <home> but is it necessary?
[21:23] <pksato> blueskiesokie: 0 auto, 1 jack, 2 hdmi "amixer cset numid=3 [012]
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[21:25] <tflgen2> hi guys, trying to setup my PI as a old school console emulator. I'm trying to get my PS3 controller to work, but having some issues. It pairs with sixad running on the pi, but I get zero recognition of button presses. ideas?
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[21:27] <codypchristian> Hey guys, hows it going?
[21:28] <Ryanteck> '@home One of my pi works perfect without C6, Normally its needed for bad power supplys
[21:29] <codypchristian> Need a little help. Im following this guide and while installing forever each item says 'node not found' however nodejs is installed.. ideas? (this might be a nodejs question and not pi question) https://github.com/w-A-L-L-e/printerface
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[21:31] <thetodd__> aside from it taking forever and a day to compile some things on the RPi, is there any reason to not do it?
[21:32] <dniMretsaM_away> thetodd__: possible the extra writes to the SD card
[21:32] <zleap> good point
[21:32] <thetodd__> oh, good point... SD cards have that short livetime thing huh
[21:32] <zleap> surely its better to cross compile and copy stuff over
[21:32] <thetodd__> okay, that's what I'll do then. Thanks
[21:33] <home> damn
[21:33] <zleap> I don't know much about cross compiling but I am sure someone can help
[21:33] <dniMretsaM_away> unless you use the SD card only for the system and have the user data on an external USB
[21:33] <tflgen2> is anyone here using a sixaxis on the PI?
[21:33] <dniMretsaM_away> zleap: it's pretty easy to set up with crosstool-ng
[21:33] <thetodd__> http://ffmpeg.org/trac/ffmpeg/wiki/How%20to%20compile%20FFmpeg%20for%20Raspberry%20Pi%20%28Raspbian%29 I have this
[21:33] <zleap> ok
[21:34] <thetodd__> how often do you guys backup your SD cards?
[21:35] <zleap> i don't have much on mine atm
[21:35] <axion> home: if you resolder it backwards it goes kaboom
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[21:35] <zleap> resolder what ?
[21:35] <axion> capacitor
[21:35] <zleap> yeh
[21:35] <zleap> it would do i guess
[21:36] <zleap> they usually have an arrorw on them or some types do (electrolytic caps)
[21:36] <axion> point is C6 is not needed. dont risk it
[21:36] <zleap> if its there surely its needed
[21:37] <axion> only for bad power supplies
[21:37] <zleap> i assume we are talking about a capacitor on the PI
[21:37] <axion> not for anything worthwhile
[21:37] <axion> yes
[21:37] <zleap> ok
[21:37] <axion> i am talking to home who broke his off as did i a few months ago and many others on the forums
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[21:38] <zleap> is the cap the big silver thing near te power in
[21:38] <IT_Sean> C6 is the cap you can remove and bridge, innit?
[21:38] <zleap> i guess that smooths out any voltage going in right
[21:38] <axion> correct
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[21:38] <zleap> as capacitors only pass AC stuff
[21:38] <zleap> yeah the pi seems sensitive to stuff like that
[21:39] <axion> ive been running overclocked to 1ghz without C6 for about 6 months
[21:39] <axion> most power supplies smooth their power already
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[21:42] <zleap> axion, they do, i guess those the really cheap ones don't work as well
[21:42] <zleap> bridge rectifier and capcitors,
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[21:44] <dniMretsaM> hello again
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[21:58] <thetodd__> wow... just getting the toolchain setup is taking forever on my core2duo, I can't imagine what an 8 hour compile is like on the Pi itself...
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[22:00] <zleap> long i guess
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[22:09] <thetodd__> installing screen is the first order of business
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[22:12] <gordonDrogon> I did a compile of apache/mysql/php/linux kernel on a Pi once ...
[22:12] <ryanteck> Crash out?
[22:12] <ryanteck> 0.o?
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> the compiled went OK.
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> took most of the day.
[22:12] <ryanteck> wow
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> wasn't most of raspbian compiled on a pi?
[22:13] <ryanteck> Currently using my Pi as a webserver aswell
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> (or several Pi's)
[22:13] <ryanteck> Yeh but they had multiple ;)
[22:13] <zleap> hi gordonDrogon
[22:13] <ryanteck> I prefer Nginx over apache
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[22:15] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, ryanteck no it wasn't built on the Pi
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:16] <plugwash> it was built natively on arm but the arm boards we use for building have somwhat better CPUs, a lot more ram and SATA hard drives
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> probably makes more sense...
[22:17] <ryanteck> ahh
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[22:19] <tpaulus> hello, where is the file on the pi, containing the version number located?
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[22:22] <gordonDrogon> version number of what?
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> /etc/debian_version contains the version of debian (raspbian) running...
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> currently 7.0
[22:23] <tpaulus> gordonDrogon, the hardware version, version 1 or 2
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[22:31] <gordonDrogon> run gpio -v
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> if you have it installed, else car /proc/cpuinfo and look for the Revision line.
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> if the number ends in 2 or 3 then it's a revision 1 board, else a revision 2.
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> cat /proc/cpuinfo
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[22:33] <tpaulus> thanks gordonDrogon
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[22:39] <defsdoor> gordonDrogon, hey - are you there ?
[22:39] <defsdoor> I'm playing with driving these ws2811 led strips via SPI and struggling :)
[22:40] <defsdoor> The WS2811 recommended timing essentially divides the bit cell into fifths. A 1 is sent as 1000ns high (4 segments) followed by 250ns low (1 segment), while a 0 is sent as 250ns high and 1000 ns low. The fact is that either approach will work, the only thing the pixel chip really cares about is the state of the data line at 625ns.
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[22:40] <defsdoor> from that I figure for bit=1 I need actualyl 5bits,
[22:41] <defsdoor> so bit = 1 = 11110 and bit = 0 = 10000
[22:41] <defsdoor> which is pretty simple
[22:41] * gordonDrogon checks the data sheet..
[22:42] <defsdoor> bit I'm not sure what speed to set the spi to get each bit to be 250ns
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[22:43] <gordonDrogon> oh those are horrible chips.
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> no clock.
[22:43] <defsdoor> indeed
[22:43] <defsdoor> but smaller and cheaper
[22:44] <defsdoor> in theory though i should be able to drive it
[22:44] <defsdoor> (it worst comes to worst ill stick an arduino in between)
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> you migh need to to guarantee accuracy at those speeds.
[22:45] <defsdoor> there +/-150ns leeway
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> 0.5 and 1.2 uS
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> you will not achieve that on a Pi with any accuracy.
[22:46] <defsdoor> no ? :(
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> I really doubt it.
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> and when sending a long string - you may get interrupted too.
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> if that's for more than 50uS then the sequence if latched and reset.
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> I'd spend the money on the ones with the clock pin as well as the data pin & drive it from SPI.
[22:47] <defsdoor> I've got some of those as well
[22:48] * zleap i was thinking thsat too, go for the slightly more expensive option if that gives you what you need
[22:48] <defsdoor> got those working lovely
[22:48] <defsdoor> I figured I could drive these with SPI though using 5 bits for every bit
[22:49] <defsdoor> and thought that once my data buffer was pushed to the hardware it was safe from interruptions
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[22:50] * gordonDrogon ponders
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> the trouble with the SPI is that there are gaps between bytes - almost a stretched clock.
[22:50] <defsdoor> oh
[22:50] <defsdoor> that will bugger it completely
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> if there were no gaps, you might be able to calculate a clock that matched.
[22:51] <defsdoor> especially if data goes to 0 in between
[22:51] <defsdoor> I dont have a scope to check all that
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> data is held at the last bit fro what I recall.
[22:51] <defsdoor> hmm - depends how long that stretched clock is then
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> it's just like there's an extra cycle and a bit between bytes.
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[22:52] <defsdoor> I could accomodate for that in my bity shifting
[22:52] <double-you> what is the minimum SD card memory size I should use?
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> double-you, you can boot a bare bones system in under 128MB
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> but 2GB is needed for bare minimal Raspbian.
[22:53] <double-you> ok, and raspbian?
[22:53] <defsdoor> we've got aload of old scopes at work in storage - I'm gonna see if I can have one I think - would help a load with this sort of stuff
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> 4GB gives you space.
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[22:53] <gordonDrogon> defsdoor, it would...
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> and if they have any spare, send them my way :)
[22:53] <defsdoor> :)
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> back in 5 ..
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[22:54] <double-you> gordonDrogon: thank you, I bought a 8gb and a 512mb card. :-)
[22:55] <defsdoor> :q!
[22:55] <defsdoor> oops
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[22:56] <defsdoor> the good thing about the ws2811 is that you can ged LEDs with them built in now - so the whole ribbon is neater
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[22:56] <defsdoor> basically just an smd led and cap
[22:56] <rymate1234> Hey guys
[22:56] <rymate1234> Is it possible to stream music from a raspberry pi to an iPad?
[22:57] <rymate1234> And optionally control from said iPad
[22:57] <defsdoor> xbmc will do most of that plus the xbmc remote app
[22:57] <tpaulus> is there a file with the GPIO i2cbus number?
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[23:00] <rymate1234> Defsdoor - what about vlc?
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> tpaulus, on a rev 1 board it's 0, or 1 on a rev 2 board.
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[23:06] <booyaa> rymate1234: you could probably setup an icecast server
[23:06] <rymate1234> Oh?
[23:07] <booyaa> or if its still downloadable the squeeze box software was great for this
[23:07] <rymate1234> Brb googling
[23:07] <booyaa> rymate1234: have a look on elinux theres a rwcipe on settig up mpd/icecast on the pi
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[23:08] <Hodapp> wheee, I should look to see if I have a spare remote anyplace
[23:08] <Hodapp> so when my TSOP1238 ships I can use it
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[23:09] <rymate1234> Thx
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[23:12] <rymate1234> Found it, thanks boyar
[23:13] <booyaa> \m/ rock on man!
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[23:17] <gordonDrogon> I've just put I2C support into wiringPi too - got to do a bit more testing & document it though.
[23:20] <UnaClocker> Geeze.. Only took like 3 months, but I finally got a notification from Adafruit saying the Raspberry Pi is finally back in stock.
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[23:21] <Torikun> TAFB: you there? big problem with pi you gave me lol
[23:21] <UnaClocker> Torikun: Such as?
[23:21] <Torikun> I get ext4 corruption after leaving it on for a period of time.
[23:21] <Torikun> it is plugged into my router for power
[23:21] <UnaClocker> Overclocked too far?
[23:22] <Torikun> 960 mhz
[23:22] <Torikun> Turbo mode
[23:22] <UnaClocker> That'll do it..
[23:22] <Torikun> really?
[23:22] <UnaClocker> Yup.
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[23:22] <Torikun> ty
[23:22] <Torikun> lol
[23:22] <UnaClocker> :)
[23:22] <Torikun> that was fast
[23:22] <Torikun> what is a safe speed
[23:22] <UnaClocker> Try 900..
[23:22] <Torikun> k
[23:23] <Torikun> my other pi runs fine at 960
[23:23] <Torikun> 256mb one
[23:23] <UnaClocker> Yeah, they're all a little different from each other..
[23:23] <Torikun> the 512mb has the issues
[23:23] <Torikun> oh
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[23:24] <Torikun> i lost my database again!
[23:24] <Torikun> lol
[23:24] <Torikun> this sucks
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[23:37] <MrOpposite> Hi
[23:38] <BigShip> hello hello
[23:38] <MrOpposite> I'm currently compiling a mashup of raspbmc-ish and spotyxbmc
[23:38] <MrOpposite> Hopefully it'll work...
[23:39] <MrOpposite> and HOPEFULLY I'm crosscompiling...
[23:41] <MrOpposite> *facepalm*
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[23:41] <MrOpposite> Oh well, doesn't matter
[23:41] <MrOpposite> I ran make with -j1
[23:42] <MrOpposite> Didn't knew what -j was, so I just picked 1 without checking :P
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[23:42] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[23:42] <MrOpposite> ey
[23:42] <SSilver2k2> is there anyway to have raspi-config start on bootup again like on the initial install
[23:43] <SSilver2k2> im working on PiMAME .4 and i want raspi-config to come up on the first boot
[23:44] <MrOpposite> don't know actually :/
[23:45] <MrOpposite> I use the raspberry pi as a media-center...
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[23:45] <MrOpposite> To make my TV smart :P
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[23:54] <Torikun_> i underclocked it to 800mhz
[23:54] <Torikun_> and filesystem got corrupted again
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[23:56] <vk2> SSilver2k2, take a look at /usr/share/doc/raspi-config/sample_profile_d.sh
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[23:57] <vk2> SSilver2k2, and look at do_finish() function in raspi-config script.
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[23:58] <vk2> SSilver2k2, and you'll see that raspi-config corrects /etc/inittab after first start.. and removes /etc/profile.d/raspi-config.sh too. Want to see raspi-config autoloading again? correct /etc/inittab, put that sample script into /etc/profile.d/..
[23:59] <MrOpposite> Aww, my package has been stuck in new york for like... 9 days now

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