#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-14

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[0:10] <mattwj2002> good day all
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[0:11] <mattwj2002> is there a pi channel for asterisk?
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[0:12] <mattwj2002> I want to try this http://www.raspberry-asterisk.org
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[0:20] <SSilver2k2> thanks vk2
[0:20] <mattwj2002> wow quiet room
[0:20] <mattwj2002> :)
[0:21] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[0:21] <ShiftPlusOne> you can search the channels, but I don't think so.
[0:21] <ShiftPlusOne> you can always make one
[0:21] <mattwj2002> okay thanks
[0:21] <Serano> good morning
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[0:21] <mattwj2002> nah :)
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[0:28] <BigShip> Evening ;)
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[0:31] <Serano> evening
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[0:43] <ShiftPlusOne> ...hi
[0:43] <mattwj2002> hi
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[0:47] <dniMretsaM> good evening, gentleman
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[0:51] <Torikun_> G'day
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[0:51] <Torikun_> What is the default clock speed on the 512mb pi
[0:52] <dniMretsaM> 700MHz
[0:52] <Torikun_> cool
[0:52] <Torikun_> ty
[0:54] <dniMretsaM> yup
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[0:58] <Torikun_> the lower memory one has slower clock speed?
[0:58] <ShiftPlusOne> they're all the same clock speed, what do you mean?
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[0:58] <Torikun_> the 256mb and 512mb pi models are all the same clock speeD?
[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Why wouldn't they? It's the exact same chip.
[0:59] <dr_willis> i think so
[0:59] <Torikun_> oh just wondering
[0:59] <dr_willis> just moar ram on the ram chipz ;)
[0:59] <Torikun_> ty
[0:59] <Torikun_> anyone running archlinux ?
[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[1:00] <Torikun_> can you send me your default cmdline.txt
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> just a sec, it might be a bit modified
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> sdhci-bcm2708.enable_llm=1 sdhci-bcm2708.sync_after_dma=0 smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 loglevel=2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 init=/bin/systemd rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
[1:00] <Torikun_> it;s ok with memory split =)
[1:00] <Torikun_> ty
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> memory split is in config.txt O_o
[1:01] <Torikun_> ty
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[1:09] <ajtag> my most recent innovation with my pi. please excuse the lack of documentation at the moment, but i must sleep....
[1:09] <ajtag> http://youtu.be/ythrmFAJugw
[1:10] <Torikun_> awesome
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[1:11] <Serano> that is hot
[1:11] <ShiftPlusOne> nicely done. Now use the minecraft ALU a guy made to read the switches attached to a pi and display the output on the LEDs =D
[1:11] <Serano> i'll be looking forward to the documentation later on
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[1:12] <ajtag> thats on the list...
[1:12] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[1:13] <nabukadnezar43> is there a case that covers only the bottom of pi? every case out there seems to imprison gpio pins
[1:13] <ShiftPlusOne> you can take the top off the RS one and the bottom one is still clipped on nicely
[1:14] <dr_willis> nabukadnezar43: I got a case thats identical top/bottom you could use it to hold 2 pis.. but it dosent hold the pi very well.
[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne> and there are acrylic cases with a hole sto allow a ribbon cable to run through as well
[1:14] <dr_willis> Things always falling out of the clips.
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[1:16] <nabukadnezar43> rs one looks nice
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[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> It's the best one I've tried
[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> but there are some really fancy ones out there now
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[1:19] <dr_willis> I got a simple white plastic case for $10 on sale on amazon. it has wall hooks. so now i can throw pi on the wall.
[1:19] <Torikun_> lol I want to throw it agains the wall sometimes' lol
[1:20] <dr_willis> with so many cables plugged in the pi tends to move about the desk
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[1:22] <Torikun_> i bought a few of the blue ones
[1:23] <Torikun_> solid blue, hard case. Very nice
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[1:26] <Ben64> is there a really cheap, good case?
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[1:27] <geordie> a shoebox
[1:27] <Ben64> my lego case is pretty cool, but I have to disassemble it whenever I have to mess with something
[1:28] <geordie> you could glue it into several larger parts
[1:29] <Ben64> thats against the rules
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[1:36] <Torikun_> all cases are about $20 with shipping =(
[1:36] <Torikun_> I love this one http://www.amazon.com/CY-Raspberry-Pi-Case-Blueberry/dp/B00A42HTLC/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1358123799&sr=8-6&keywords=raspberry+pi+case
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[1:40] <SophieRxx> Hi guys, hoping you will be able to help me. is it possible to "extract" a .bin file? I cloned my sd-card using dd into a .bin and now I'm wanting only 1 file from it
[1:40] <Hodapp> SophieRxx: I assume said SD card was partitioned?
[1:41] <SophieRxx> Yes, it had rasbian on previously
[1:41] <dr_willis> SophieRxx: your use of .bin means nothing.. You imaged a hard drive/partion. you can mount those via mount and the loopback option
[1:41] <SophieRxx> as simple as mounting it?
[1:41] <Ben64> linux doesn't care about file extensions at all
[1:41] <dr_willis> did you image the WHOLE sd. or just the partions from it?
[1:41] <Ben64> did you dd your whole drive.... or ^
[1:41] <dr_willis> sda or sda1 (for example)
[1:42] <dr_willis> its much easier to mount if you image partions. not the whole drive
[1:42] <Hodapp> SophieRxx: You have to find the partition first. fdisk will read the .bin file, most likely. Then, IIRC, you must use 'mount -o loop' but also pass in some options to give it the offset of the partition you want.
[1:42] <SophieRxx> It would have been the whole drive
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[1:43] <dr_willis> You need to check some guides. thers some way to get the offset for the partions you will need to pass to mount
[1:43] <Ben64> http://www.andremiller.net/content/mounting-hard-disk-image-including-partitions-using-linux
[1:43] <dr_willis> I forget the details (no web browser here right now to look)
[1:44] <dr_willis> if you just did a single partion it would be mount -o loop thefilename mountpoint
[1:44] <dr_willis> i think
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[1:44] <Ben64> dr_willis: thats correct
[1:45] <dr_willis> with a whole hd - theres some other option. ;)
[1:45] <rikkib> search raspberry pi nfs for info on how to get the offset of an image
[1:46] <Ben64> i posted a link already :(
[1:46] <SophieRxx> okay i'll look into it, thank you :)
[1:46] <Ben64> http://www.andremiller.net/content/mounting-hard-disk-image-including-partitions-using-linux
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[1:46] <sintrix> i just installed a beta driver and firmware + wicd for my wireless usb RPI. and it works. I r very happy.
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[1:53] <steve_rox> anything interesting going on? :-)
[1:54] <BigShip> watching The KungFu Kid ;)
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[1:56] <steve_rox> not sure what that is
[1:56] <BigShip> crappy remake of The Karate Kid with Will Smith's kid as the main character
[1:57] <steve_rox> ahhh i had a hunch it was that
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[1:57] <steve_rox> i antispated it being crap so never bothered to look at it
[1:57] <steve_rox> helps to have daddys in high places ? :-P
[1:58] <BigShip> It wasn't horrible. This is my second or third time watching it.
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[2:00] <steve_rox> im sleepy , going to be passing out soon
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[2:02] <BigShip> hmmm, enjoy the sleep. I'm going to scrounge up some food
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[2:06] <aDro> Can I Play sound through the terminal?
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[2:07] <Gordio> aDro, aplay, mocp, cmus, mpg123, mplayer
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[2:11] <malev> hello, I have a usbstick and I want to mount it with fstab, but with RW permissions to pi user and I can not achieve that.
[2:12] <malev> this is my fstab line: /dev/sda1 /media/usbhdd ext2 rw,suid,dev,exec,auto,user,async 0 0
[2:12] <malev> any idea what am I doing wrong?
[2:13] <Gordio> malev, file /dev/sda1
[2:13] <Gordio> *show output
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[2:13] <malev> pi@raspberrypi /media $ file /dev/sda1
[2:13] <malev> /dev/sda1: sticky block special
[2:13] <malev> Gordio, it is mounting but only root can write on it
[2:15] <Gordio> add options gid=pi,uid=pi
[2:15] <Gordio> or or chmod -R o+w /media/usbhdd
[2:16] <malev> I'm going with both and I'll let you know
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[2:16] <Triffid_Hunter> malev: or gpasswd -a pi disk - you need to be able to write to the disk as user to mount it R/W as user last time I checked
[2:17] <malev> what is that? Triffid_Hunter ?
[2:17] <Hodapp> truffle_hunter!
[2:18] <Triffid_Hunter> malev: adds pi user to disk group
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[2:19] <Triffid_Hunter> wow, the lan PHY on my pi runs pretty hot, it's made the usb ports warm
[2:19] <Torikun_> oh wow
[2:19] <aDro> Triffid_Hunter: Do you have the temperature monitor on?
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[2:20] <aDro> What does it say?
[2:20] <malev> Triffid_Hunter, Gordio you both ROCK!!!
[2:20] <malev> thanks
[2:20] <Triffid_Hunter> aDro: hm, /sys/class/hwmon doesn't exist, where's the temp monitor?
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[2:21] <Torikun_> http://www.linux-toys.com/pi/ my pi's starting to run hot rsyncing over network
[2:21] <aDro> What OS are you using, I was just curious since raspbian has one for easy access.
[2:21] <Torikun_> check out the temp
[2:22] <aDro> Torikun_: That is a nice little output.
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[2:22] <aDro> Is that standard with something?
[2:22] <Torikun_> someone made it here
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[2:22] <Torikun_> atouk: did make it I believe
[2:22] <Torikun_> you can download the zip on the bottom
[2:22] <Torikun_> of the page
[2:22] <Triffid_Hunter> aDro: yeah got a recent raspbian on there, rather underwhelmed- it's really slow and half the preinstalled games don't work
[2:22] <aDro> Triffid_Hunter: y
[2:23] <aDro> Triffid_Hunter: You may need to up the gpu memory
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[2:23] <aDro> If you right click your task bar and click Add /Remove Panel items
[2:24] <aDro> Click "Add" and look for temperature monitor
[2:24] <aDro> Among lost of other goodies.
[2:25] <Triffid_Hunter> ah it's in another room on the network sans screen, got something that works on ssh? I found bcm2835_hwmon and bcm2835_thermal in /sys/bus/platform/devices but they don't seem to provide any data
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[2:26] <Triffid_Hunter> owait, found a thermal zone in classes, says 85c and it's just sitting there idling
[2:26] <aDro> 85c?
[2:26] <aDro> That's high
[2:26] <BigShip> thats probably just the throtle
[2:27] <Triffid_Hunter> not clear from the nodes if that's actually sensed or if it's a trip point
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[2:28] <BigShip> considering 85 is the trip point and even overclocked to 1ghz mine doesn't hit over 55 even in a tight case
[2:28] <BigShip> its prob the trip point ;)
[2:28] <BigShip> ...hopefully
[2:28] <aDro> yeaj
[2:28] <Triffid_Hunter> lm_sensors says no sensors found
[2:28] <aDro> I would assume so, since mine does no go over 50c even while crunching
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[2:29] <aDro> I would assume so, since mine does no go over 50c even while crunching
[2:30] <Triffid_Hunter> the cpu on mine feels like about 40c, the PHY is at ~45-50.. ambient here is moderate, maybe 20c or so
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[2:32] <BigShip> thats probably about right. I think mine idles around 45
[2:32] <aDro> I am having a little trouble getting the analog audio working
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[2:37] <Datalink> I need to get copper on mine
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[2:55] <aDro> alluminum is cheaper
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[3:02] <aDro> I am using Raspbian Wheezy and trying to figure out how to get my ALSA audio working through the 3.5mm jack.
[3:02] <pksato> ?
[3:02] <aDro> I used OpenElec and the audio works fine with that OS, so i know the port is not a lemon.
[3:02] <pksato> aDro: using hdmi video out?
[3:03] <aDro> Yes, but just to a desktop monitor
[3:03] <aDro> So no audio support
[3:03] <pksato> run: amixer cset numid=3 1
[3:03] <aDro> I am trying to switch it to the 3.5mm Audio jack
[3:03] <pksato> as root.
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[3:04] <aDro> ok, testing
[3:04] <aDro> nope
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[3:05] <pksato> use alsamixer and check volume controls.
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[3:05] <aDro> ok, just a second
[3:07] <aDro> nope
[3:07] <aDro> this is strange
[3:07] <aDro> amixer says 100
[3:07] <pksato> that program?
[3:08] <aDro> i meant alsamixer
[3:08] <aDro> playback and output tabs both say 100%
[3:09] <pksato> that program using do play audio?
[3:09] <aDro> cmus
[3:09] <aDro> I also tried VLC
[3:11] <pksato> try speaker-test -c 2
[3:12] <aDro> works, I hear noise from left to right
[3:12] <aDro> But no media player is working
[3:13] <aDro> I found a thread online, just checking it out
[3:13] <pksato> ok, is not low level problem.
[3:13] <aDro> yeah I didn't think it was.
[3:13] <aDro> ty for that command info.
[3:14] <BaroMeter> sound problems when using HMDI ?
[3:14] <aDro> 3.5mm
[3:14] <aDro> with the hdmi plugged in
[3:15] <pksato> humm,... pulseaudio issues.
[3:15] <BaroMeter> that's the known one :-(
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[3:16] <Triffid_Hunter> aDro: on mine, a dialog popped up and asked whether I wanted the audio to go through hdmi or the jack
[3:16] <Triffid_Hunter> selected jack and it works fine for me
[3:16] <Triffid_Hunter> no idea where you'd go to change that setting though
[3:17] <aDro> rasp-config
[3:17] <BaroMeter> sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835
[3:17] <BaroMeter> maybe
[3:17] <pksato> no, its is a application level issues.
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[3:18] <BaroMeter> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/639/how-to-get-pulseaudio-running
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[3:18] <pksato> need do tell do cmus or vlc to use direct alsa, ou puleaudio.
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[3:21] <aDro> asound.conf
[3:22] <Triffid_Hunter> heh I remember asound.conf, did heaps of playing with that one a few years back
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[3:22] <Triffid_Hunter> had it set up so my 6ch soundcard presented as 3 separate audio output devices so I could run games through one set of speakers and music through the other
[3:22] <aDro> Triffid_Hunter: Any idea what I should attempt?
[3:23] <Triffid_Hunter> aDro: my pi only shows one card.. has lots of subdevices though
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[3:34] <aDro> Ok, well I got something working
[3:34] <aDro> $ sudo apt-get install alsa-utils
[3:34] <aDro> $ sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835
[3:34] <aDro> Note: You will need to "modprobe" every time you reboot your Pi.
[3:35] <aDro> $ sudo amixer cset numid=3 1
[3:35] <aDro> $ sudo apt-get install mpg321
[3:35] <aDro> $ sudo mpg321 music.mp3
[3:35] <aDro> And it works
[3:35] <aDro> So to get it working with VLC and cmus is another story.
[3:41] <aDro> Well, works somewhat alright
[3:41] <aDro> there is a strange echo
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[3:44] <Datalink> aDro, /etc/modules allows you to load modules at boot
[3:44] <aDro> you mean the modprobe command?
[3:44] <aDro> Interesting, I'll take a look
[3:45] <Datalink> may not be actual path, but should get you in the right area, I load i2c at boot with it
[3:45] <pksato> normaly, snd_bcm2835 is load on boot.
[3:45] <aDro> i would expect so
[3:45] <aDro> I read those intructions off a turorial for something similiar
[3:46] <axion> /etc/modprobe.conf
[3:46] <aDro> But it worked, so I am happy... ish
[3:46] <axion> deprecated in favor of /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf though
[3:46] <aDro> modprobe.conf is empty
[3:47] <axion> by default it is
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[3:47] <aDro> ok so I just add the line above?
[3:48] <aDro> modprobe snd_bcm2835
[3:48] <pksato> aDro: you dont need to do it. you low level sound system are working.
[3:48] <aDro> pksato: alright
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[3:49] <pksato> only, cmus and vlc not work. need so set correct output.
[3:50] <pksato> I think, need do set pulseaudio (I dont use) to use jack out.
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[3:50] <aDro> install or uninstall Pulseaudio ?
[3:50] <pksato> configure.
[3:50] <pksato> But, I dont know how.
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[3:52] <dniMretsaM> pksato: would that be in pavucontrol?
[3:53] <aDro> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1621/no-sound-output-in-vlc/3917#3917
[3:53] <aDro> You can change the resample method, for example, in the file /etc/pulse/daemon.conf. Use a line like: resample-method = speex-fixed-3
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[3:54] <aDro> speex-fixed-3 allows cmus to play music
[3:54] <aDro> Instead of: speex-float-3
[3:54] <aDro> But I am still getting a slight echo
[3:55] <aDro> well scratch that.. It seems some mp3 types work, and some don;t
[3:55] <aDro> This is a whole mess of problems.
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[3:59] <aDro> how do I deinsall an application?
[3:59] <aDro> deinstall**
[4:02] <mdszy> aDro, you mean uninstall? What operating system? Raspbian?
[4:02] <aDro> yes
[4:02] <mdszy> sudo apt-get remove package
[4:02] <aDro> I want to remove pulseaudio
[4:02] <mdszy> where 'package' is the name of the package you want to remove
[4:02] <pksato> aDro: aptitude
[4:03] <pksato> just type aptitude
[4:03] <aDro> neat
[4:03] <aDro> ty
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[4:30] <thetodd__> I feel robbed... they said that compiling ffmpeg on the RPi will take 3.5 hours, but it only took 2 hours for me...
[4:31] <mdszy> thetodd__, I apologize on behalf of the Raspberry Pi Foundation for your horrible misfortune.
[4:31] <qrwteyrutiyoup> quicker than compiling qt5!
[4:31] <thetodd__> ;) lol
[4:32] <aDro> aplay seems to decode Raw audio data and wave files completely perfectly
[4:32] <mdszy> I haven't had to compile anything on mine yet -- thank god
[4:32] <qrwteyrutiyoup> I never managed to compile (or link) qtwebkit on the pi, though :)
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[4:34] <plugwash> even on an imx board qtwebkit (at least the qt4 version, haven't tried anything with qt5 myself) takes ages to build
[4:34] <mdszy> I heard that manually compiling XBMC could take like, 12 hours
[4:34] <mdszy> and then: "But there's also a binary package you can just install"
[4:34] <thetodd__> it actually took less time to have the RPi compile it than figuring out why cross-compile wasn't working on my laptop
[4:35] <mdszy> I also don't understand Raspbmc, running Arch Linux ARM + XBMC has worked so much better than Raspbmc ever did.
[4:35] <qrwteyrutiyoup> with a distcc setup and the help of my laptop cross-compiling, things went much smoother when compiling from the pi hehe
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[4:45] <BigShip> couldn't just shorten it to RegeaneWolf?
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[4:47] <thetodd__> ah.. I see, it didn't work. back to figuring out cross-compile
[4:48] <ShiftPlusOne> thetodd__, what are you using to cross-compile (if anything)?
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[4:51] <thetodd__> ShiftPlusOne: I'm using these instructions: http://ffmpeg.org/trac/ffmpeg/wiki/How%20to%20compile%20FFmpeg%20for%20Raspberry%20Pi%20%28Raspbian%29
[4:51] <thetodd__> and this is the error message I get: /usr/lib/libfftw3f.so: file not recognized: File format not recognized
[4:52] <thetodd__> but why would it be trying to read that file from there? isn't that the x86 libfftw3f.so and I need an ARM version somehow?
[4:52] <ShiftPlusOne> The fun of mixed environments. Sounds like it's pulling your system's fftw3f lib in\
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[4:53] <thetodd__> yeah... that's what I think
[4:53] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know how well the steps are written, I haven't gone through them. If I were to be doing it, I'd be using scratchbox2, which isolates the different environments very well for you
[4:54] <thetodd__> scratchbox2... okay, off to Internet search land I go. Thanks for the pointer
[4:54] <thetodd__> or, what about virtualizing the RPi on this machine? that'd be faster too right?
[4:54] <ShiftPlusOne> thetodd__, it's a bit hard to figure out alone http://pastebin.com/4Jp1WPTb
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[4:55] <ShiftPlusOne> you can use the crosstool-ng toolchain you built instead of the Mentor one.
[4:56] <thetodd__> okay, that crosstool-ng took a long time to build.
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[4:59] <dniMretsaM> crosstool-ng does take a while to build. though I did build a C and C++ compiler
[4:59] <thetodd__> yeah, those directions I linked recommend doing both C and C++. Took 2 hours on my core2duo laptop
[5:00] <qrwteyrutiyoup> does scratchbox still exist?
[5:00] <thetodd__> I was tempted to do Ada too and relive my college dev days
[5:00] <qrwteyrutiyoup> just remembered it from back in 2005, maemo 1.0 o.O
[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> qrwteyrutiyoup, still exists and I haven't found anything better.
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[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Though it seems that scratchbox2 is quite different from scratchbox2, but I don't know.
[5:02] <qrwteyrutiyoup> cool, ShiftPlusOne :)
[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> *scratchbox1
[5:02] <qrwteyrutiyoup> didnt know there was a 2nd edition. gotta check it out tomorrow
[5:03] <ShiftPlusOne> If there are alternatives, I would like to know about them though
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[5:04] <ShiftPlusOne> just using the autotools, cmake and whatever other build systems people use is too much of a pain for me when crosscompiling >=/
[5:04] <qrwteyrutiyoup> I feel your pain
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[5:32] <Torikun> sup
[5:33] <BigShip> fiddling
[5:35] <Torikun> same here
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[5:43] <BigShip> can you type in more than one command in terminal at once?
[5:43] <BigShip> like, if I wanted to run $Host <IP> $User <user> $connect
[5:43] <aDro> use the ; delimiter
[5:43] <BigShip> perfect thanks
[5:44] <BigShip> hmmm, didnt work in crosh
[5:45] <aDro> hum.
[5:45] <aDro> Chrome os?
[5:45] <BigShip> is it <command> ; <command> ; <command>
[5:45] <BigShip> yeah, howd you guess?
[5:46] <axion> ; does not honor return values though
[5:46] <aDro> crosh*
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[5:46] <BigShip> ah
[5:46] <BigShip> what do you mean by return values?
[5:47] <axion> with "command1; command2", command2 will execute even if command1 fails
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[5:47] <axion> you may want command1 && command2
[5:48] <BigShip> yeah thats not a problem. They're simple commands to initiate ssh
[5:48] <BigShip> atm it seems like its only executing the first command
[5:49] <axion> then yits difficult to diagnose without seeing your code
[5:49] <BigShip> okay
[5:50] <aDro> Must be a different delimiter
[5:50] <aDro> I can't find it in google
[5:50] <aDro> Assumed ";"
[5:50] <BigShip> :(
[5:50] <aDro> http://peter.sh/experiments/chromium-command-line-switches/
[5:50] <BigShip> it may just not like me. My chromebook has a history of being sassy
[5:50] <axion> paste your code
[5:51] <aDro> I wonder if there is a character(s) like line feed, line return
[5:51] <BigShip> mmm give me 5 minutes. Gott shut my systems down and switch everything over to my chromebook
[5:52] <aDro> Test this line
[5:52] <aDro> echo hello; echo world;
[5:52] <aDro> It should display:
[5:52] <aDro> hello
[5:52] <aDro> world
[5:53] <aDro> if not, than Crosh is different than Bash
[5:53] <BigShip> yeah it is, echo isnt even a working command :/
[5:53] <BigShip> oh well
[5:54] <aDro> Hum..
[5:54] <axion> switch crosh to dev mode
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[5:55] <BigShip> why, does it run as bash then?
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[5:55] <axion> yes
[5:55] <BigShip> oh kk! Back in 5 or so
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[5:55] <axion> google.com says so anyway. you could search that site for more info
[5:56] <axion> i am unfamiliar with the hardware
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[6:04] <BigShip> back
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[6:05] <BigShip> Welcome to crosh, type 'help' for a list of commands.
[6:05] <BigShip> crosh> ssh
[6:05] <BigShip> ssh> host; user pi; connect;
[6:05] <BigShip> ssh>
[6:05] <axion> 'shell'
[6:06] <axion> do what google says!
[6:07] <BigShip> oh wait, did you mean put the whole computer into developer mode?
[6:08] <axion> right. take the battery out.
[6:08] <axion> i have never even used the hardware. just passing followed directions on to you
[6:08] <axion> google is your friend
[6:08] <BigShip> ah no, I don't put in developer. Netflix won't work if I do :(
[6:08] <axion> then use the shell command
[6:08] <BigShip> oh well, it wasn't actually that important. Impressed by your perserverance though
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[6:10] <BigShip> I don't think shell command works unless you're in developer. Unfortunately
[6:11] <BigShip> Thanks, I'm going to go dig through google for a bit :)
[6:12] <axion> follow one of the many sites explaining how to replace crosh with bash then
[6:14] <Triffid_Hunter> BigShip: hm, my ssh doesn't have an interactive mode like that
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[6:15] <BigShip> Tiffid_Hunter: are you on chromium?
[6:15] <aDro> So I couldn
[6:16] <aDro> So, I couldn't connect through SSH to my Pi and I couldn't figure out why
[6:16] <aDro> I have the Pi plugged into a second ethernet port on one of my boxes. Than that box is connected to the internet
[6:17] <aDro> I couldn't connect from my (3rd) external machine to the Pi, through the middle box.
[6:17] <aDro> I finally found out that I mistyped the address
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[6:17] <aDro> Should have been
[6:17] <aDro> I wrote
[6:17] <BigShip> ooo, I hate that
[6:18] <aDro> Well, works now
[6:18] <BigShip> I was doing that earlier trying to identify my nickname to nickserv and kept typing idenfity
[6:18] <aDro> again
[6:20] <aDro> Atleast the server will reply with the message
[6:20] <aDro> Does not know command idenfity
[6:20] <aDro> Mine just was refused.
[6:20] <BigShip> this is true. Yeah, that's much more annoying. Glad you got it figured out though
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[6:21] <aDro> This had been bothering me for a few days, after I installed a new OS and couldn't get it to work, so I installed the older image again thinking it was a setting I missed
[6:21] <aDro> And it didn't work with this image either
[6:21] <aDro> so now to test it, I have to install the new image again and get it to work with this CORRECT ip
[6:22] <aDro> I do love how, even though this bothered me for a few days, I am still excited to play with the RPi.
[6:22] <aDro> Such a fun little device.
[6:22] <Xark> aDro: Where is the fun it having it "Just work". :)
[6:22] <Xark> in*
[6:23] <BigShip> Yeah, I'm really starting to love it. Trying to think of more things I can do with it now
[6:23] <aDro> It's true
[6:23] <aDro> If you haven't yet
[6:23] <aDro> Try U-Boot
[6:23] <BigShip> whats that?
[6:24] <aDro> It's a bootloader
[6:24] <aDro> That will allow you to install an OS or multiple OSs onto an external drive
[6:24] <BigShip> oh no way, I didn't know RPi had any yet. Crap, now I have to go buy another ssd
[6:24] <aDro> I have it installed on a 512MB card
[6:24] <aDro> So
[6:24] <aDro> You probably have an old 512MB SD Card
[6:25] <BigShip> indeed i do
[6:25] <aDro> You don't need 2GB or More since it's just the bootloader and the OSs are stored on a flash card.
[6:25] <aDro> let me find the lin
[6:25] <aDro> k
[6:25] <BigShip> if not I at least have a 2GB one
[6:25] <BigShip> got the homepage already
[6:25] <aDro> http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=138
[6:26] <aDro> that's the image I used and it works well
[6:26] <BigShip> ah, different kk
[6:26] <aDro> 32MB
[6:26] <aDro> so if you have a small SD Card let me know what size you got it to work on.
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[6:26] <aDro> I like this cause I had no use for the SD Card and this allows me to use an extra 2GB flash drive I have no need for, either.
[6:27] <BigShip> I think the smallest I have is an old 512MB mini sd from my second phone
[6:27] <aDro> that may work
[6:27] <aDro> Use an Micro-SD to SD Adapter
[6:28] <BigShip> Yeah, i've got one. I may have tossed them though. Went through a crazy cleaning phase and I'm pretty sure I assumed I'd never have a use for anything with only 512MB
[6:28] <BigShip> Ill just get one next time i'm at bestbuy
[6:29] <aDro> Haha, good idea
[6:29] <aDro> Or look on Kijiji
[6:29] <aDro> Ask for small SD cards and see if there are any from around your neightborhoo
[6:29] <aDro> d
[6:30] <aDro> Really cheap since you're buying used.
[6:30] <aDro> I bought 2 8GB cards and still haven
[6:30] <aDro> 't oped one of them.
[6:30] <aDro> might just sell it on Kijiji
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[6:30] <BigShip> what the heck, is Kijiji like craigslist?
[6:30] <aDro> yeah
[6:31] <BigShip> is it a thing in the US?
[6:32] <BigShip> nvm, think I found the right page
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[6:37] <BigShip> hey, someone mind typing my nick in... testing something
[6:37] <Zarek_> BigShip,
[6:38] <BigShip> ty
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[6:43] <aDro> Trying to get it to beep?
[6:43] <aDro> lol
[6:43] <BigShip> maybe >_<
[6:43] <BigShip> wanna try it one more time?
[6:43] <aDro> BigShip:
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[6:44] <BigShip> oh derp. It would output the sound from the RPi...
[6:45] <BigShip> aDro: just installed irssi last night. Still playing with it
[6:46] <aDro> hum...
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[6:48] <gh403> Could someone explain to me the RPi pre-boot process?
[6:48] <gh403> Or point me toward a page with a good explanation?
[6:48] <mythos> gh403, you mean unboxing and look at it?
[6:49] <aDro> lol
[6:49] <gh403> No, I mean what happens before Linux takes control :P
[6:50] <mythos> gh403, some magic code looks at the sd-card, looks if there is a first ms-partition with fat and loads the firmware
[6:51] <gh403> What chip does that? What firmware takes control?
[6:51] <aDro> That's good question
[6:51] <aDro> Something native to the RPI and ARM11 architechture
[6:51] <aDro> I am not sure
[6:52] <gh403> Who parses config.txt in the first partition?
[6:53] <mythos> as always: there is a rom, which is read, where the first programm is stored. this is executed by the arm-chip for initialization
[6:53] <Xark> gh403: The GPU I believe.
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[6:54] <gh403> Xark: I see. An interesting architecture. Interesting here meaning "peculiar."
[6:54] <aDro> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6139952/what-is-the-booting-process-for-arm
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[6:54] <Xark> gh403: Indeed. The Raspberry Pi has been described as a fancy RISC/vector GPU with an ARM bolted on to load shaders. :)
[6:54] <gh403> lol
[6:55] * aDro *woosh*
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[6:55] <Xark> aDro: IOW, the main CPU is like an afterthought to help out the powerful GPU. :)
[6:56] <aDro> It's very interesting... peculiar.
[6:56] <Xark> (the ARM is the Raspberry Pi is not the fastest or zippyest by a longshot - it didn't need to be as the GPU does all the "heavy lifting" for its target multimedia application).
[6:56] <Xark> in the*
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[6:57] <BigShip> Xark: THANK GOD... I thought I was the only one that still used the word zippy
[6:57] <aDro> The more I start to understand the Pi, the more I realize I don't know anything.
[6:59] <Xark> BigShip: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gl9xJnfm_LM/UBAc-akY7xI/AAAAAAAAApQ/3LvaX1rhjT4/s1600/Zippy+the+Pinhead.jpg
[6:59] <aDro> Eventually, I would like to understand the hardware a lot more than I do now.
[6:59] <aDro> creepy
[6:59] <BigShip> Xark: what. was. that. thing?
[7:00] <Xark> BigShip: Zippy the pinhead -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zippy_the_Pinhead
[7:00] <Xark> However, "creepy" works well too. :)
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[7:03] <BigShip> Xark: thanks for sharing the knowledge. Learned something knew! Origin of "Are we having fun yet?" :D
[7:04] <Xark> BigShip: Glad to be of service! :d
[7:04] <Xark> :D even. :)
[7:04] <aDro> Over 1 Million Pis sold.
[7:04] <aDro> Which country has the most Pis in the hands of consumers?
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[7:09] <Xark> aDro: Good question...
[7:10] <Xark> aDro: Have you seen http://rastrack.co.uk/ ?
[7:10] <aDro> nope
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[7:14] <Xark> aDro: Pretty safe bet UK and US are up there...but not sure the most RPis "per capita".
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[7:14] <aDro> Yeah, I would assume UK over US at the moment
[7:14] <aDro> But the map isn't loading entirely
[7:16] <dr_willis> anyone ever noticed any issues with like 3 external USB hds on a hub the Pi having issues accessing the 3rd one when booting with them all plugged in?. I unpluged them all.. powered up.. and pluged one in. waited.. then the 2nd.. then the 3rd.. then they all worked..
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[7:18] <aDro> dr_willis, can the hub handle all three USB drives?
[7:18] <aDro> I mean the amount of power they all require?
[7:18] <dr_willis> Its handleing them now.. but wasent earlier
[7:18] <dr_willis> I even had a hub on each Pi Port.. and one HD on the 2nd hub...
[7:18] <aDro> All three work on the pi at the same time?
[7:19] <dr_willis> decided to clean up a bit.. and reorganized the cables then pluged them in with about a 1 min pause btween each
[7:19] <aDro> Just not on boot...
[7:19] <dr_willis> aDro: yea. they were yesterday working.. then not today... i rearanged cables and got them going
[7:19] <dr_willis> these are all externally powered HDs
[7:19] <dr_willis> not Hub powered
[7:19] <aDro> interesting
[7:20] <dr_willis> the one having the issue is a usb3. but so is one of the hds that worked..
[7:20] <dr_willis> another is a usb2
[7:20] <aDro> Too many external hard drives.
[7:20] <aDro> lol
[7:20] <dr_willis> got colortail monitoring logs to keep an eye on them all. all 3 seem to be working now. giving them some files copy tests
[7:20] <dr_willis> 3 out of the 10 i have.. ;)
[7:21] <aDro> Wow
[7:21] <aDro> Is there a reason for so many?
[7:21] <aDro> Media collection?
[7:21] <dr_willis> Differnt media players around the house. and backups of the wifes media collection
[7:21] <aDro> You need one central media server.
[7:21] <dr_willis> Tried it.. dident work very well
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[7:22] <aDro> That works for me, as long as all the computers can access the router, either wired or physical.
[7:22] <dr_willis> some of the players had issues with this server.. switched servers others had issues with that.. and so on.. one media plkayer couldent even do networing/dlna
[7:22] <aDro> But I am also running a Windows Network.
[7:22] <dr_willis> but ive been updateing the network ;)
[7:22] <dr_willis> been using a Pi and Xbian - but it had issues with some of her files.
[7:22] <dr_willis> well omxplayer had issues.
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[8:23] <SuperLag> loved to read the article that said > 1M rPi's have been sold since launch :)
[8:23] <SuperLag> I wonder what's next for them? ARMv7 or newer? more RAM?
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[8:23] <Ben64> nothing
[8:24] <SuperLag> Ben64: how do you figure?
[8:24] <Ben64> i mean maybe like 5+ years they'll do something else
[8:25] <SuperLag> Ben64: you think it'll take them that long to iterate?
[8:25] <Ben64> how long have you been following them
[8:25] <SuperLag> not long
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[8:26] <Ben64> it took over a year after announcing it to release date
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[8:27] <SuperLag> Well... obviously there were issues, and demand has been greater than they could ever have anticipated :)
[8:27] <SuperLag> so... are you trying to be realistic? or cynical? :)
[8:27] <Ben64> realistic
[8:28] <Ben64> its not easy to make a pi, they aren't going to be doing one every year or anything
[8:28] <SuperLag> No, I'm not thinking it is.
[8:28] <SuperLag> but they have a successful model to work from, at least
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[8:42] <dr_willis> The PiR^2
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[9:22] <apo> SuperLag: They anticipated the demand. Farnell didn't ;)
[9:24] <martk100> I have just tried the Androis 2.3 port on my Pi. I am trying to run it on my 10 inch screen with touchscreen. I get no display. When I use my 20 inch screen it just about works. The s10 inch screen works on Debian. Can anyone suggest where the problem is.? I have tried many combinations in the config.txt file.
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[10:25] <dr_willis> Ive never tried android on the pi. so cant help
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[10:33] <trekkit> A quick question, if you install android on the Pi, are you able to run Skype?
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[10:39] <booyaa> presumably you could if you could find an compatible arm binary
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[10:45] <graChe28> heh probably the wrong place to ask, but since i don't know a better one off the top my head
[10:45] <graChe28> if a memory is directionable by a 2byte word, the address 000(hex) and 008(hex) are 8 bits apart or 8 words apart?
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[10:46] <linuxstb> I'm not sure what you mean by directionable. Do you mean addressable? i.e. you have 65536 memory locations?
[10:47] <linuxstb> What architecture is this, or is the question hypothetical?
[10:47] <mjr> yeah, if it's hypothetical, the answer is "depends on your hypothetical platform"
[10:48] <mjr> also you probably mean 8 bytes or 8 words
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[10:50] <graChe28> linuxstb, yea i meant addressable, its just a theory question
[10:51] <graChe28> my question is: 000 to 007 for example -- is that the first 8 bits, or the first 8 words (call words 16, 32, 8 whatever)
[10:51] <graChe28> do we measure addresses in words or bits
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> A computers memory is typically N bits wide, but memory addresses are typically on 8-bit boundarys.
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> in most modern systems anyway.
[10:52] <mjr> so it's homework
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> however some weird ones use 'word' addressing for memory - e.g. 18-bit machines.
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> so you really need to know the underlying architecture.
[10:52] <mjr> and the answer is presumably words, especially if bits, not bytes, is the other option
[10:52] <graChe28> mjr, kinda, its me not fully understanding what a book says... i think it means something but the books a little ambiguous so thats why im asking
[10:53] <mjr> there are architectures though where addresses are by byte but you can't address non-word-aligned positions
[10:53] <graChe28> its my own question to understand the subject.. so when we see the address 0x00F that means the 16th word not the 16th bit?
[10:53] <linuxstb> To bring us on topic, ARM is one (or at least, older ARMs)
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[10:54] <graChe28> mjr, irregardless of the word size, im asking what 0x00F refers to, the 16th byte or the 16th word
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[10:54] <graChe28> 16th bit*
[10:54] <linuxstb> graChe28: Commonly, that would mean the address starting at the 16th byte. But I guess strange architectures could make it mean the 16th word.
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[10:55] <graChe28> err i meant to say bit, not byte, did you mean byte?
[10:55] <linuxstb> Yes
[10:55] <mjr> I answered that already
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[10:56] <gordonDrogon> an address of F is non-word aligned for a processor with a memory width of > 8 bits. for an 8-bit processor it's fine though and it's the 16th memory location from 0
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> you need to know the underlying architecture to really answer these questions - you're not telling us, so we can't give you specific answers.
[10:58] <mjr> In practices addressing is generally not done in bits. No reason you couldn't do it, so theorywise it would be sound...
[10:58] <graChe28> yea i think im either not asking correctly, because this is being made overly complicated..
[10:58] <graChe28> irregardless of architecture an address will relate to something, a word or bit.. i think its bit
[10:59] <mjr> as I said already, usually in practice you're wrong
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> graChe28, memory addresses are not in bits.
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[11:00] <graChe28> if a memory has a capacity of 64bits (small for examples sake) and has words of 16 bits.. its first address is 0x000, is it's last address 0x03F (63 in hex) or 0x003
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> you can't do that - you've just said it's 16-bits wide.
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> that would give you 4 memory locations, not 64.
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> each location being 16-bits wide.
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[11:02] <mjr> of these options it would overwhelmingly be the 0x003 one
[11:02] <graChe28> gordonDrogon, thanks - so the final address is 0x003
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> graChe28, maybe.
[11:03] <graChe28> the memorry is addressed in words, not in bits
[11:03] <linuxstb> graChe28: Why don't you accept it could be addressable in bytes? That's how current common architectures work.
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[11:03] <mjr> and true, yeah, in most practical archs it would be 0x007 anyway
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> graChe28, it really depends on the architecure. it's its byte addressable. A pointer into the memory may be able to address individual bytes, then 64-bits = 8 bytes, so the last addrss may be 7
[11:04] <graChe28> ok, so a 32byte memory adressable by bytes has 32 addresses
[11:04] <Andy1978> Is it possible to use a propritary userspace driver which was designed for the BeagleBoard on a RaspberryPi running Raspbian?
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> it depends on the architecture, but that may be typical of a modern processor.
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> Andy1978, if the beagleboard is running raspbian, then possibly..
[11:05] <Andy1978> gordonDrogon: I think they have slightly different ARM architectures
[11:05] <mjr> BB has armv7 instruction set
[11:06] <mjr> if the thing is compiled using armv7 spesific stuff, it won't work
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> in which case the answer is probably no...
[11:06] <linuxstb> Andy1978: Presumably by "proprietary" you mean binary-only?
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> can't you get the source?
[11:06] <Andy1978> linuxstb: yes, no sources
[11:06] <linuxstb> Could you ask the vendor to build for the Pi?
[11:07] <linuxstb> If BB is armv7 (Pi is armv6), then it's a no-go.
[11:07] <Olipro> unless you want to find all the ARMv7 instructions and manually redo them as ARMv6 :)
[11:07] <Andy1978> linuxstb: the BB version is here http://www.ids-imaging.de/frontend/files/support/uEye/LINUX/Linux_Beagleboard_3.90.zip
[11:08] * mjr wonders if you could run armv7 stuff on armv6 using qemu
[11:08] <Andy1978> linuxstb: Its a USB camera driver and they want money to rebuild the driver
[11:09] <mjr> sounds like you want a camera with a less scummy manufacturer
[11:09] <Andy1978> linuxstb: This packages includes a daemon which just prints its version string and exists os raspbian
[11:09] <Andy1978> mjr: Can you suggest a good camera vendor?
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[11:11] <mjr> not really, but don't most usb cameras these days use the standard usb video class interface and therefore work on generic drivers?
[11:11] <Andy1978> mjr: Interface USB or GigE, get RAW images, fixed focus, good control of exposure time, CMOS gain, pixelclock
[11:11] <linuxstb> Andy1978: Can't you just try it? It's possible it doesn't have any armv7 instructions.
[11:11] <mjr> no idea
[11:12] <Andy1978> linuxstb: I have tried but as I have written above, the daemon just erminates with return code 10
[11:12] <Andy1978> linuxstb: I have tried to find some debugging flags (--debug -d -v -verbose) but nothing
[11:12] <linuxstb> Andy1978: Then it sounds like the instruction set isn't the issue. I've no idea how to go about debugging it though.
[11:12] <Andy1978> s/erminates/terminates/
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[11:18] <Andy1978> linuxstb: file says: ueyeusbd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, stripped
[11:19] <linuxstb> Andy1978: Yes, I saw that. That doesn't seem to help us though.
[11:19] <Andy1978> Is it possible that there is a problem with the 2.6.16 vs. 3.2.27 kernel?
[11:20] <Andy1978> Ah, didn't know that you have downloaded and inspected the file
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[11:27] <Andy1978> linuxstb: thank you for your help so far
[11:28] <Olipro> I don't see any kernel-mode driver in the package
[11:28] <Andy1978> Olipro: I saied userspace above
[11:28] <Andy1978> said
[11:28] <Olipro> so it interfaces with the camera without requiring any kernel-space driver?
[11:28] <Andy1978> Olipro: Or is this an argument why there should be no problems when the kerneld doesn't match?
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[11:32] <Olipro> it's just a question, does it require a kernel space driver or not
[11:33] <Andy1978> Olipro: I don't know. How can I find out?
[11:33] <Olipro> ask...
[11:34] <Olipro> I see a string in the daemon, /dev/ueye
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[11:34] <Olipro> I would imagine that it doesn't create that device itself
[11:36] <Andy1978> Olipro: I thought udev would create this when the camera is plugged in. There is a rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/zz-ueyeusb.rules
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[11:36] <Andy1978> but there is also that ueyeusbd daemon
[11:36] <Olipro> Andy1978: ok, so plug it in and see if it's created
[11:37] <Andy1978> I don't really know how their driver works
[11:37] <Olipro> I doubt the userspace daemon creates the device
[11:37] <Olipro> more likely it *relies* on it
[11:37] <Olipro> which would also explain why it just terminates
[11:38] <Andy1978> Olipro: yes, there is /dev/ueye/7__1-1.3_1000 which points to ../bus/usb/001/008
[11:39] <Olipro> hm, so it's a folder
[11:40] <tanuva> Can I somehow get to a terminal directly on raspbmc? (network broken, the hint on some forum didn't work: "exit xmbc, press Esc at white screen")
[11:41] <netzvieh> should work though
[11:42] <tanuva> the screen was actually black on the TV
[11:42] <tanuva> and no reaction anyhow after exiting xbmc
[11:43] <netzvieh> Hmm strange...
[11:43] <ne2k> Andy1978: what does "pixelclock" actually mean?
[11:44] <ne2k> tanuva: have you tried the traditional Ctrl-Alt-F1?
[11:44] <tanuva> ne2k: yes
[11:44] <ne2k> tanuva: does num lock turn the LED on and off?
[11:44] <tanuva> yes
[11:44] <Andy1978> ne2k: The clockrate at which the CMOS pixels are read
[11:45] <tanuva> I just get to a black screen without a prompt
[11:45] <Andy1978> ne2k: often 42MHz at hd resolution with CMOS cameras
[11:45] <tanuva> (right after exiting xbmc, no "white screen")
[11:45] <ne2k> tanuva: don't know then, I'm afraid
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[11:46] <Andy1978> linuxstb, Olipro thank you for trying to help. I'm out for lunch now. (afk)
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[12:07] <jacekowski> tanuva: there is dedicated raspbmc channel, but exit xbmc, and then wait and then press esc key worked for me
[12:08] <tanuva> I'm reinstalling raspbmc now, also had some strange problems with wired network not working anymore, I think I broke something else
[12:11] <dr_willis> tanuva: the exit xbmc to get to terminal worked for me ages ago.. then stopped.. not tried it lately.
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[12:15] <Davespice> this would make quite a nice game for the Pi: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/263403519/hyphen-puzzle-game
[12:15] <Davespice> I love the idea of it :)
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[12:33] <aDro> I guess all indy games can be ported to the pi if the graphics aren't overwhelming, which most indy games aren't.
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[12:40] <Triffid_Hunter> would love something like kerbal space program
[12:40] <aDro> me too
[12:40] <aDro> Sounds like fun
[12:41] <aDro> Free demo
[12:41] <aDro> not for pi
[12:41] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah windows binary only unfortunately for that specific one
[12:42] <aDro> Windows Emulator?
[12:42] <aDro> Lol
[12:42] <Triffid_Hunter> aDro: yikes, that game is slow enough already, would be utterly unplayable in an emulator
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[12:45] <aDro> Time to get IRC working on Raspberry
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[12:47] <Perkele> surely irssi runs out of the box?
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[12:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ yes sudo apt-get install irssi - job done
[12:51] <martk100> I am trying to run the Android 2.3 port on my 10 inch lcd with touchscreen. I get no display. Lcd works fine on Debian. Can anyone suggest where the problem is?
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[12:51] <Andy1978> Olipro: Any new thoughts/hints on my uEye binary-driver problem?
[12:53] <Olipro> do you have a syslog facility running?
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[12:53] <Andy1978> Olipro: I or martk100?
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[13:27] <aDroPi> Yay! It worked
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[13:31] <aDroPi> errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtyeqdssssssssssssssswdasxzxc vbnm
[13:31] <TAFB> lol
[13:31] <aDro> wrong keyboard.
[13:32] <TAFB> i'ma fire up some Far Cry 3 :)
[13:32] <aDro> I know those words!
[13:32] <Gordio> aDroPi, drop you cat :D
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[15:14] <mpmc> Anyone having issues with video playback? Whenever I play a video it looks like its frame dropping, any ideas?
[15:15] <Dysk> mpmc: what are you using to play the video?
[15:15] <mpmc> Dysk: Pidvbip :p
[15:15] <Dysk> mpmc: that's probably why. I'm pretty sure omxplayer is still the only thing that uses the GPU's built-in video decoding.
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[15:17] <Dysk> Or is that some specialised DVB thing that uses it?
[15:18] <Dysk> So yeah, some googling suggests that if you're using an mpeg2 stream and don't have the mpeg2 decoder, for example, it'll be decoding video on the cpu
[15:18] <Dysk> Which will be frame-droppy and not nice
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[15:41] * gordonDrogon waves
[15:41] <steve_rox> :-)
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[15:42] <gordonDrogon> gah, my heads totally screwed up today. mondays.
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> and just realised it's way past lunchtime too. too much coffee..
[15:42] <steve_rox> as is mine , my expensive pc died and i cant fix it
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[15:43] <gordonDrogon> replace it with a pi.
[15:43] <steve_rox> ironicaly i had to use the pi to read the motherboards manual pdf
[15:44] * egrouse looks at Midnigh2ker
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> heh..
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> how bad is it?
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[15:45] <steve_rox> the pc?
[15:45] * gordonDrogon nods.
[15:45] <steve_rox> no post
[15:45] <steve_rox> dead on power
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> pretty bad then.
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> I'm asuming you've checked the PSU...
[15:46] <steve_rox> done proedures and im out of options
[15:46] <steve_rox> i dont have any spare hardware to disprove faults
[15:46] <steve_rox> never trusting asus again the scumbags
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> ?
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> I've been using Asus mobo's for the past 15 years..
[15:47] <steve_rox> its a asus bord
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> probably delopyed about 200 ...
[15:47] <steve_rox> from day one it had problems i thought i could iron out
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> I did have a failure a couple of months ago though.
[15:47] <steve_rox> but steadily got worse
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> ok
[15:48] <steve_rox> no dout ive got to go into battle with the supplyers now
[15:48] <steve_rox> "your wrong"
[15:48] <steve_rox> "no im right"
[15:48] <steve_rox> blah blah etc
[15:48] <steve_rox> dont really have the energy for it
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> Yea, I feel like that sometimes.
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> Who'd you buy it off?
[15:49] <steve_rox> someone program the pi to fight for me
[15:49] <steve_rox> dabs
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> Ah. BT.
[15:49] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> probably too late to use distance selling, but sale of goods act? under 6 months old?
[15:49] <steve_rox> i logged in and it said enter transaction/order number and it sorry this never happened
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[15:50] <steve_rox> the motherboard supposibly has a 5 year warrenty
[15:50] <steve_rox> and they say this board is military grade , im glad they arnt makeing tanks for real wars eh
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> I've alays built my own PCs and servers too. goofed with my current desktop as the gpu thing isn't supported by Linux )-:
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> indeed!
[15:51] <steve_rox> i just dont have the energy to deal with this crap
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> so I just have a dumb frame buffer. However it's actually ok at 1280x1024.
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> get a ready-made PC?
[15:51] <steve_rox> even the disks on it read write slower than standard benchmarks do
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> I have a Athlon 2400xp system for sale... slightly old - 2GB of RAM I think :)
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> dual-boot debian & Win XP.
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> buyer collect.. from Devon :)
[15:53] <steve_rox> when i turn on this pc now the CPU led stays on implying its haveing issues with it , but its been running all this time without issue
[15:53] <steve_rox> i dont have a spare cpu of socket am3
[15:54] <steve_rox> and they wonder why pc's are dieing out :-P
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[15:58] <steve_rox> id be mad to travel to devon :-P
[15:58] <zleap> why
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> you'd be made to take that PC - it's about 6 years old ;-)
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> er, mad, not made!
[15:59] <steve_rox> then id be mad twice
[15:59] <zleap> what is wrong with Devon
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> zleap, middle of conversation error ..
[15:59] <zleap> ok
[15:59] <steve_rox> glad you sorted that
[15:59] <zleap> sorry
[16:00] <steve_rox> right now i feel like sleepin
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> zleap is in Devon too.. part of the local LUG :)
[16:00] <steve_rox> but not sleepy enough i dunno
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[16:01] <gordonDrogon> Oh I dunno. I can always put my head back and have a little power nap ...
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[16:02] <steve_rox> i guess ya lucky then
[16:03] <steve_rox> hmm i got nothing to watch utube vids on now apart from the pi
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[16:03] <steve_rox> which means sd card juggling
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[16:05] <steve_rox> bet the manufactures of that tiny keyboard are blessing the rpi
[16:06] <steve_rox> cant rember the brand the label is too worn
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[16:06] * zleap has a small targus keyboard,
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[16:11] <steve_rox> reboot complete
[16:11] <steve_rox> ironically im on a asus laptop that keeps crashing
[16:11] <steve_rox> just lucky this is over rdp
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[16:15] <gscarborough> Is there a release date target for the raspberry pi fedora 18 remix?
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> not head of a date for it.
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> (not personally that bothered, however...)
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[16:18] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=24675&p=227334
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> intersting.
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> Have to say- until recently I wasn't interested in anything at all other than Debian, but recent events have made me doubt that Debian are that good at all.
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> I have used Debian since almost day 1 though.
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[16:38] <nid0> i've always been a centos guy
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[16:53] <ahuemer> hi all. is a rpi capable of recording from a 1920x1080 usb cam with ffmpeg?
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[16:58] <ShadowJK> that sounds very challenging
[16:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ probably not at a good frame rate
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[17:00] <IT_Sean> I would clarify my answer thusly. Yes, You can. But don't expect it at anything enar to 30fps.
[17:00] <IT_Sean> *near
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> do usb cameras do the transcoding, or just output raw data?
[17:01] <ShadowJK> Raw 1920x1080 24bit rgb is like 1500 Megabit/s, usb2 is less than 480Mbit/s, go figure :P
[17:01] <IT_Sean> lol
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> Yesssss..... just did some calcs myself!
[17:01] <IT_Sean> And...?
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> 186624000 bytes/sec for 30fps.
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[17:02] <gordonDrogon> so the cameras must already transcode to a degree.
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[17:02] <ShadowJK> So if webcam is giving some already encoded stream, pushing that straight to storage without transcoding would be a sensible strategy, I'd think.
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> the only strategy by the sounds of it...
[17:03] <ahuemer> thanks for the answers
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[17:04] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[17:05] <SSilver2k2> new version of PiMAME has been released. PiMAME 0.4 - http://blog.sheasilverman.com/pimame-raspberry-pi-os-download/
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[17:06] <gordonDrogon> if only I had some games to play on it ...
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> is there a version I can install under Raspbian?
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[17:07] <SSilver2k2> i have the .deb of the previous version of advancemame available on my site
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[17:07] <SSilver2k2> this week i plan on releasing the debs of the updated version
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> ok
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> does it use the gpu?
[17:09] <SSilver2k2> nope
[17:09] <SSilver2k2> sdl
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[17:09] <gordonDrogon> neat.
[17:09] <dniMretsaM> good morning
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[17:10] <SSilver2k2> morning
[17:10] <pycoderf> hey all. on raspbian when i try to install python 3 it says its already installed but i dont see it anywhere
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[17:11] <dniMretsaM> pycoderf: it is already installed. IDLE3 should be in the menu under programming.
[17:11] <yaMatt> pycoderf, have you tried running python3 from the command line
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi2: python3 --version
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> Python 3.2.3
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[17:11] <gordonDrogon> ew, python..
[17:11] <dniMretsaM> :P gordonDrogon
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[17:13] <pycoderf> I uninstalled all the GUI stuff but wanted to make some scripts and Python is easy but I will check
[17:13] <pycoderf> is there a way to install 3.3?
[17:13] <dniMretsaM> pycoderf: compile it?
[17:14] <yaMatt> pycoderf, from source is your best bet
[17:14] <pycoderf> ok thanks
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[17:17] <gordonDrogon> right. 3 pi's upgraded/dist-upgraded. takes a long time to install tex )-:
[17:17] <Andy1978> is there a release date for the 5MP camera for rpi?
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> supposedly end of this month...
[17:17] <Andy1978> oh, that would be really cool....
[17:18] <pycoderf> i think my 3.3 scripts should work on 3.2
[17:19] <Andy1978> btw: if I access the GPIO via libbcm2835 I need root rights because it read/writes to /dev/mem . Is this also the case when using python or need all programs root when using GPIO?
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[17:20] <dniMretsaM> correct, Andy1978
[17:20] <dniMretsaM> pycoderf: most likely, yes
[17:20] <Andy1978> dniMretsaM: Uh, okay, thank you
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[17:20] <pycoderf> thanks
[17:20] <dniMretsaM> oh, sorry. that was a this-or-that question
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[17:21] <dniMretsaM> my mistake, Andy1978
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[17:21] <Andy1978> dniMretsaM: ?
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[17:21] <dniMretsaM> read my previous message
[17:22] <Andy1978> dniMretsaM: I've read all of them but I can't get the connection between them or I can't see which answer was adressed to whom
[17:22] <pycoderf> now to learn some regex!
[17:22] <dniMretsaM> um, I know that all programs using the GPIO pins need root access. I would assume that it's all for the same reason (using /dev/mem), but I'm not 100% sure
[17:23] <dniMretsaM> lol have fun, pycoderf
[17:23] <Andy1978> dniMretsaM: Ah okay, this was also my thought and you've confirmed this
[17:24] <pycoderf> dniMretsaM: i know i need to change a line in a text file once a month. or part of it
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> dniMretsaM, not strictly true. There is a way to run wiringPi aplications without being root.
[17:25] <dniMretsaM> gordonDrogon: other than the Samsung method, I assume?
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> the down-side is that you need to be root to export the pins via the /sys/class/gpio interface...
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> dniMretsaM, samsung??
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[17:26] <dniMretsaM> creating a separate memory device so that their phone's cameras could run w/o being root
[17:26] <dniMretsaM> gordonDrogon: ok, so you still need root at some point in the process.
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> I did toy with the idea of creating a new device driver for them, so /dev/gpio ...
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[17:26] <gordonDrogon> however I was rubbished when I suggested it as there is already a 'standard' way ... so I gave up.
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[17:27] <gordonDrogon> You can use the gpio program (part of wiringPi) to do the exports - it's installed setuid ..
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[17:31] <Bane`> Anyone use their RPi solely as a media center?
[17:31] <yaMatt> lots of xmbc users
[17:31] <Bane`> Well, I get that, but I meant of the people that are currently active in here :)
[17:31] <Bane`> I just want to know of the Android remote app works fine with it
[17:31] <Bane`> XBMC, of course
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[17:31] <Torikun> yo
[17:32] <Andy1978> gordonDrogon: So do you think their is a way that programs using libbcm2835 doesn't need to have root rights?
[17:32] <Vlad> Bane`: works fine iirc
[17:32] <Bane`> Vlad: Cool, thanks
[17:32] <Vlad> i'll test it for you, give me 5 mins
[17:32] <Bane`> I had to cancel my order with Newark this morning
[17:32] <Vlad> got a different SD card in atm
[17:32] <Bane`> They told me they had one in stock, but when I ordered, it changed to back order
[17:32] <Bane`> >.<
[17:32] <Bane`> So I cancelled it and ordered one off ebay
[17:33] <Bane`> I think Newark was like $35 + $10 shipping. eBay was $45 + free shipping, so, same price... lol
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> Andy1978, I don't care one little bit about libbcm2835
[17:33] <Torikun> newark? never heard of them
[17:33] <Torikun> that is not MCM is it?
[17:33] <pksato> or Farnell
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> newark/mcm/e14/farnell... all the same..
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[17:36] <Torikun> wtf
[17:36] <Torikun> they told me they had it in stock!
[17:36] <Torikun> I just ordered one!'
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[17:36] <Bane`> Torikun: Same boat as me
[17:36] <Torikun> =(
[17:36] <Bane`> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-512-MB-RAM-New-Box-Fast-Free-Shipping-/200877025321?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D4872532929651074083%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D200877025321%26
[17:36] <Bane`> 2 more available there
[17:36] <Bane`> That's who I ended up ordering from
[17:37] <Bane`> "Fast shipping"
[17:37] * Torikun checks the price
[17:37] <Bane`> Should be here by Friday if it's true
[17:37] <Torikun> too much money
[17:37] <Bane`> wat
[17:37] <Bane`> It's the same price after shipping...
[17:37] <Bane`> newark/farnell/e14 whatever is $35 + $10 shipping...
[17:37] <Torikun> $10.49 shipping
[17:38] <Torikun> hmmmmm
[17:38] <Torikun> free shipping
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[17:38] <Bane`> Lol, exactly. Either way, it's ~$45 lol
[17:38] <Torikun> cheaper on ebay ty
[17:38] <Bane`> I just hope this place actually has it in stock and isn't lying like newark
[17:39] <Torikun> how do you cancel
[17:39] <Bane`> Sec, I'll give you the email
[17:39] <Bane`> customerservice@newark.com
[17:39] <Torikun> ty
[17:39] <Bane`> Mhm
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[17:39] <Bane`> I explained it a bit, too
[17:39] <Bane`> "I recently ordered a Raspberry Pi from you because I was surprised to see that you had one in stock. When I finalized the order (it still said in stock), my order changed to back ordered. I need to get a Raspberry Pi as soon as possible, and have found another retailer that has them in stock and ready to ship today. How can I go about cancelling my order?"
[17:40] <Bane`> And they responded within 5 minutes telling me they cancelled my order
[17:40] <Bane`> Wait, you may need to use a different email
[17:40] <Bane`> If you didn't technically order from newark
[17:40] <Torikun> copied and pasted
[17:40] <Torikun> but yours is newark
[17:40] <Torikun> mine is mcm
[17:40] <Torikun> lol
[17:41] <Bane`> Lol that's what I just said
[17:41] <Bane`> "??2013 MCM Electronics, A Premier Farnell Company"
[17:41] <Bane`> Same company, different name
[17:41] <Bane`> Go to MCM and check your order status
[17:41] <Bane`> if it says back order, send the email I said, but to MCM's customer service, I guess
[17:41] <Torikun> Processing
[17:41] <Bane`> Odd
[17:41] <Torikun> since last week
[17:41] <Bane`> Interesting
[17:42] <Bane`> I ordered Sunday and it said Back ordered, even though it said they had one in stock
[17:42] <Bane`> Anyway
[17:42] <Bane`> I gotta get back to work
[17:42] <Bane`> later
[17:42] <Torikun> tc
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[17:50] <Vlad> Bane`: interestingly, it seems that the xbmc from play store throws an exception with raspbmc
[17:51] <Vlad> if you go into remote from there it seems to work though
[17:51] <Vlad> only does it on raspbmc it seems, works fine on my main HTPC running xubuntu + xbmc
[17:53] <pycoderf> you mean the android remote?
[17:53] <Vlad> yeah
[17:54] <pycoderf> yeah it does, they know about it but arent fixing it. i use yatse for it and it works perfect
[17:54] <Vlad> hmm
[17:54] <pycoderf> though there is also a bug with xbmc i believe that does not allow fast forward, rewind, or mute to work with any remote
[17:54] <Vlad> does it allow multiple xbmcs to be saved and swapped between?
[17:54] <pycoderf> yes
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[17:55] <Vlad> i'll give that a try then :]
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[17:55] <pycoderf> it is free. the paid version is just a widget
[17:55] <pycoderf> and themes
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[18:06] <Vlad> yatse works great, cheers pycoderf
[18:07] <pycoderf> Vlad: not a problem. i like the no ads thing for it being free and still full featured
[18:07] <pycoderf> they have known about the bug int he official xbmc app for awhile but don't seem to be working on it anymore
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[18:34] <martk100> Does anyone know what resolutions are supported by the Android 2.3 image available on the Pi
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[18:37] <sintrix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
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[18:37] <sintrix> they should all be there
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[19:13] <gordonDrogon> bit of a slow old evening here.
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[19:13] <gordonDrogon> anything exciting going on?
[19:13] <Hodapp> http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130112/NEWS/301120097/Woman-drives-SUV-into-OTR-building?nclick_check=1
[19:13] <zleap> there is a book on RaspberryPi assembly language on amazon
[19:13] <Hodapp> ...that was right near me. Like, I heard the crash.
[19:14] <Hodapp> zleap: Link!
[19:14] <jelly1> wut
[19:15] <zleap> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Raspberry-Pi-Assembly-Language-Beginners/dp/148112790X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1358187338&sr=1-1
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[19:16] <zleap> Hodapp, you can look in side there are references to RISC/OS and bbc basic, iirc you could write arm assembly languge into bbc basic programs
[19:17] <Hodapp> jelly1: wha?
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> you still can write ARM assembler in BBC Basic.
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> on the Pi under RISC OS.
[19:18] <zleap> ah thought so
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> I must confess, I feel I've written all the assembly language code in my life that I ever want to write though.
[19:19] <zleap> the most i have ever done is debug a program in a Microsoft book on programming a mouse
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> I did a tiny bit of ARM stuff way back when I had an Arc, but that was it.
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[19:20] <zleap> essentially it called up the mouse and that was it, i added a int13 so it would at least exit the program and not leave the computer in limbo and a curso moving round the screen when the mouse was moved
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[19:21] <gordonDrogon> 6502,8080 (but not z80!), 6809, Prime, PDP11, Transputer, Sparc, i860, a few dozen lines of AVR and PIC.
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[19:21] <zleap> nice
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> more than enough.
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure there was something else at one point, but it was probably too ghastly to enable me to remember it.
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[19:25] <gordonDrogon> there was a custome processor a friend of mine was developing - on vero board...
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> Ah, SIR! Symbolic Input Routine - basically an assembler for the Elliot 903.
[19:26] <zleap> ok
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> an ancient computer I had a summer job re-writing some software for.
[19:27] <zleap> sounds good
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> They have a working one at the national museum of computing.
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[19:27] <zleap> ohh,
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> they were all the thing in ... 1966 ...
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[19:27] <zleap> i guess wen you visit that sort of thing makes you feel nostalgic
[19:27] <zleap> when
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> sometimes.
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[19:28] <gordonDrogon> actually more intersted in the stuff I've not touched though.
[19:29] <zleap> yeah te stuff you never got chance to play with then,
[19:29] <zleap> the
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[19:29] <zleap> play / work with
[19:30] * dwatkins is tempted to buy a 2nd hand Archimedes as well as run RISC OS on the Pi, just for fun
[19:30] <Criten> gordonDrogon: I'm surprised i still recognize a name on here... how's it going?
[19:30] <Hodapp> 9_9
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[19:35] <GriffenJBS> I'm getting sick of the pi
[19:35] <jelly1> why
[19:35] <GriffenJBS> so many undocumented details that end up biting you in the arse
[19:35] <jelly1> talking about blobs?
[19:35] <GriffenJBS> My current problem is X using a slightly different screen than GLES does
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> Criten, hello. doing ok here. ...
[19:36] <jelly1> GriffenJBS: blame broadcom :D
[19:36] <GriffenJBS> so trying to map GLES into an X11 window is slightly off, and it's not a linear amount
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[19:37] <zleap> isn't x pretty standard on Linux
[19:37] <jelly1> it is
[19:37] <GriffenJBS> jelly1: broadcom may be the cause, but the drivers could easily hide a difference like that
[19:37] <Criten> gordonDrogon: are you still adding more stuff to your wirring library?
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[19:44] <Hodapp> GriffenJBS: Have you verified that basically the same code works properly on other configurations with X and GLES?
[19:45] <GriffenJBS> Hodapp: no, not much else uses X11 and GLES, besides, mapping is non linear so ....
[19:46] <Hodapp> GriffenJBS: What mapping?
[19:46] <GriffenJBS> I can confirm the two screens are centered on each other, they converge in the middle
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[19:48] <Hodapp> GriffenJBS: I'm not seeing the nonlinearity here
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[19:50] <GriffenJBS> X reports my window as 300px wide, I'm using glViewport and glScissor to render a rect 300px wide, and it's wider than my window, by about 40px
[19:50] <zleap> hmm
[19:51] <zleap> could that be a bug somewhere
[19:51] <GriffenJBS> when I move the window, and update GL it tracks, but near the top of the screen it's too high, and when I move the window down, GL appears bellow the origin
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[19:51] <Hodapp> GriffenJBS: This sounds like the sort of thing that could still just be a linear transform on the coordinates
[19:51] <biff_tannen> Is it possible to use a USB hub with the pi without supplying a powersource for the hub itself ?
[19:52] <Hodapp> biff_tannen: yes, but you're liable to quickly draw too much power...
[19:52] <IT_Sean> ^
[19:52] <biff_tannen> okay, that makes sense
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[19:52] <IT_Sean> It is generally best to use a powered hub w/ the pi
[19:52] <GriffenJBS> Hodapp: Mathematically it is, but it's not a simple tranlate
[19:53] <GriffenJBS> *translate
[19:53] <biff_tannen> but what if i were to plug in a powersource for the usb hub; could that run simutaneously with the pi's micro usb power ?
[19:53] <biff_tannen> i don't want to use up a usb port in order to power the pi
[19:53] <Hodapp> the hub isn't going to power the Pi except through that micro USB
[19:54] <GriffenJBS> Many cheap hubs will backfeed and the pi will run that way
[19:54] <user82> gordonDrogon with your spi in wiringpi how much time can get lost in linux till it sends?
[19:54] <user82> 1-10ms around?
[19:54] <IT_Sean> biff_tannen: what is the output of the USB hub power supply?
[19:54] <GriffenJBS> I removed a polyfuse for my power hub to work correctly
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> biff_tannen, you can powere the Pi off the same hub by using a separate cable to connect to the Pi's power in... (what I do)
[19:54] <biff_tannen> so if i hard the raspberry pi plugged in via micro-usb, and the usb hub plugged in ...the only issues i should be worried about is backfeed, correct ?
[19:54] <Hodapp> GriffenJBS: Mathematically is just about the only context to 'linear' here, hence the confusion.
[19:55] <biff_tannen> hard*
[19:55] <biff_tannen> shit, had*
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> user82, my code is just wrappers round the kernel drivers, so not any change if you're using the kernel.
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[19:55] <IT_Sean> kikc biff_tannen language
[19:55] <GriffenJBS> with the polyfuse in unplugging the micro usb left my pi running
[19:55] <IT_Sean> oops!
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[19:55] <biff_tannen> apologies
[19:55] <user82> gordonDrogon yes i know..but do you have experience yourself? scope etc
[19:55] * IT_Sean nods
[19:55] <user82> worst case you did see
[19:55] <user82> best case
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> user82, the real numbers are hard to tell though.
[19:56] <GriffenJBS> biff bit of a nanny state here, have to watch what is said
[19:56] <biff_tannen> understood
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> user82, yea, I have a scope, but I'd need to do some checking with it - e.g. set a gpio pin, then do an spi xfer to work out the timings.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> user82, although could do it all in software..
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[19:56] <biff_tannen> but to reiterate... having the usb powered whilst the rapsberry pi is powered shouldn't lead me to any problems other than backfeed, correct?
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> user82, I do have a a crude timing program....
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> biff_tannen, you'll end up with 2 x 5V regulators clashing with each other.
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> biff_tannen, unless your hub is nice and doesn't send power up the up-link lead.
[19:57] <user82> ok gordonDrogon .... i see the problem
[19:58] <biff_tannen> sending power up the up-link lead meaning producing backfeed ?
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> biff_tannen, but you can power the Pi off the same hub with a normal usb to micro usb lead.
[19:58] <Hodapp> GriffenJBS: have you queried in OpenGL for device width and height?
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> so I have a powere hub with 2 connections to the Pi - one to the Pi's power and one to a USB socket.
[19:58] <IT_Sean> basically.
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[19:59] <biff_tannen> gordonDrogon: right, but if i wanted to maximize available usb ports
[19:59] <IT_Sean> but you want to be sure your hub doesn't backfeed
[19:59] <biff_tannen> ok
[19:59] <GriffenJBS> Hodapp: I believe I've already checked that,but I will again, so far everything has returned 1280x720
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[19:59] <biff_tannen> i already have a power adapter to micro usb i'm using currently
[19:59] <booyaa> this looks like a lot of fun http://raspberry-python.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1
[19:59] <Gyrth> Yeey! I'm in!
[20:00] <booyaa> could cheap to do if you can pick up the etchasketch off wbay
[20:00] <biff_tannen> are there usb hubs out there that are guranteed with no backfeed ?
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> user82, doing some timing tests .. hang on ..
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> user82, ok, I can write to the SPI, running at 1MHz at a rate of 11K writes of 2 bytes/second.
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[20:05] <gordonDrogon> user82, so the time taken to clock out those 2 bytes is 16uS, subtract that from 0.0000850 second and you are wasting 70uS per call.
[20:05] <IT_Sean> biff_tannen: your best bet is to post that query in the forum. There is no "list" of non-backfeed hibs. The only way to find one is for someone to say "i've got [hub] and it doesn't backfeed"
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[20:05] <gordonDrogon> I've got a hub which does backfeed, so I power my Pi from it.
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[20:06] <gordonDrogon> actually, I'm currently powering 2 Pis from it.
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> it has a 2A PSU.
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[20:07] <gordonDrogon> user82, so try to do big transfers - not possible with most devices though.
[20:08] <GriffenJBS> Yeah, OpenGL is returning the same 1280x720
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[20:10] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, yea, it's a bit slow though - I've got one of those modules and the steppers are somewhat weedy :)
[20:11] <user82_> gordonDrogon thanks for test
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, although I can drive them in C a lot faster than they appear to be driving them in Python...
[20:11] <user82_> gordonDrogon that is why i put so much effort into getting my bare metal stuff working
[20:11] <user82_> then i got the full control over it
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> user82_, I'm really not sure you'll have much more speed bare metal..
[20:12] <user82_> gordonDrogon i will try it..got a scope too but not here right now
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> although there are patches for the Linux kernel for SPI that reduce the latency a little.
[20:12] <user82_> maybe not with spi but general gpio
[20:12] <user82_> i want that with none at all
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[20:12] <gordonDrogon> you really will not get GPIO to go faster - it's limited by the hardware.
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[20:13] <user82_> how many cycles to switch it gordonDrogon ? is that in the peripherals sheet
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi pokes the hardware as fast as any bare-bones program can - 20Mhz is your lot.
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[20:13] <Gyrth> I have my RPi connected to an old prtable dvd player and was wondering if any of you know if it is possible to reduce the amount of boards and if I can power it off one charger. This is what it looks like now. http://imgur.com/dcPaH
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[20:14] <SpeedEvil> basically no
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[20:14] <SpeedEvil> on a quick glance, it's likely that they are all needed.
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[20:15] <gordonDrogon> Gyrth, well - if they're all 5V devices, then you can power them off one charger, but rather make it a dedicated PSU than a "charger" as you'll need an amp or 2.
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> fold them over the main board, and secure in some manner
[20:15] <Gyrth> SpeedEvil: I removed the speakers and the dvd read bit
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[20:15] <SpeedEvil> you can probably omit the button board if it does what you want with no config
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> user82_, it's not cycles - the GPU/SoC/ARM slows down to access GPIO.
[20:16] <IT_Sean> Build a sexy wooden case for it all.
[20:16] <Gyrth> IT_Sean: That's the plan :D
[20:16] <IT_Sean> :D
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[20:17] <Gyrth> The screen is a bit cut off at the bottom. and very fuzzy. because I can't use the hdmi
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[20:18] <Gyrth> Would it be better if I used a HDMI-RCA converter?
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> user82_, what are you connecting to the SPI?
[20:19] <user82_> gordonDrogon shift registers
[20:19] <user82_> actually a friend of mine
[20:19] <user82_> i recommended him your library
[20:20] <user82_> he got one of the classic led cubes. 10*10*10
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> user82_, ah right. in which case, he'll be sending large long sequences to them.
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> 1250 8-bit shift registers?
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> then the latency is much less of an issue.
[20:25] <steve_rox> wow hotmail webmail client has gone downhill its showing me banners to enhance my chest with cosmetic sugery
[20:25] <IT_Sean> people still use hotmail?
[20:25] <IT_Sean> O_O
[20:25] <Gyrth> I still need to press the AV button on the remote to switch to the rca input. Can I make it do that automatically?
[20:25] <GriffenJBS> Gyrth: libcec?
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> Gyrth, you migh tbe able to use a GPIO pin on the Pi...
[20:25] <GriffenJBS> nvm, rca
[20:26] <steve_rox> sometimes its nessery to keep old email accounts alive no matter how poor the service may be
[20:26] <Gyrth> gordonDrogon: Those pins on the side?
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> user82_, so create a buffer of 1250 bytes of the bits for each LED and send that to the display in a single write() instruction and off you go.
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> Gyrth, yes... the big chunk of 26 pins.
[20:27] <GriffenJBS> I opened my hotmail account in 1993, but MS shelved it for inactivity and does nothing to help you get it back, good bye old friend
[20:27] <Gyrth> gordonDrogon: To connect it where?
[20:27] <steve_rox> goodbye to msn messenger soon too , not that i use it
[20:27] <Gyrth> gordonDrogon: I'm new at this
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[20:28] <steve_rox> dvd players have video in ports?
[20:28] <IT_Sean> steve_rox: some do.
[20:28] <Gyrth> steve_rox: Mine has
[20:28] <steve_rox> lucky ones i guess
[20:29] <IT_Sean> Gyrth: those pinds, the two rows of 'em along one side, are called GPIO pins. You can use them to interface with the outside world, using clever coding on the raspi.
[20:29] <IT_Sean> *pins
[20:29] <Gyrth> So can those be used for displays?
[20:30] <steve_rox> yeah you short em and pi may perma-die
[20:30] <Gyrth> Ow. Don't want that
[20:30] <IT_Sean> I suppose you could bit bang a serial display. But, a VGA or HDMI display, NO.
[20:30] <steve_rox> so be carefull
[20:30] <mgottschlag> Gyrth: you can connect them to an IR diode though and emulate the remote control?
[20:30] <IT_Sean> They are really more for controling little servos, or blinking LEDs, etc...
[20:30] <mgottschlag> (no idea if I understand the problem correctly)
[20:31] <IT_Sean> you could also use 'em to "push" a button.
[20:32] <IT_Sean> i.e. desolder the button from the dvd button board, then connect it's pads to GPIO pins, and use the Pi to electrically simulate pusing the button. Depending on the voltage levels involved, additional hardware may be necessary.
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> Gyrth, best to not wory about the GPIO ports for now then....
[20:32] <IT_Sean> t'was just a thought.
[20:32] <Gyrth> mgottschlag: Well my goal is to make a emulator box. With one power supply if possible and a usb-ps2 adapter I have
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[20:33] <steve_rox> only thing ive done with gpio so far is that legally questionable fm transmitter :-)
[20:33] <IT_Sean> why is the DVD player even in there, if you don't mind my asking?
[20:33] <Gyrth> IT_Sean: I removed the dvd reader part. And Am using the display
[20:33] <IT_Sean> Oooooh... i see... it was a portable one w/ a display.
[20:34] <IT_Sean> Okay... i get it.
[20:34] <Gyrth> right
[20:34] <IT_Sean> kinkydonuts.
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[20:35] <Gyrth> It has a lot of boards. But I probably can't remove any of them.
[20:35] <IT_Sean> only one way to find out.
[20:35] <IT_Sean> :p
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[20:36] <Gyrth> I actually tried unplugging things. It just didn't turn on. And when I tried to reconnect the ribbon cables. It made a weird hissing sound.
[20:36] <mgottschlag> Gyrth: did you already identify the chips to find out which board does what?
[20:36] <Gyrth> I connected them wrong
[20:36] <Kane> o/
[20:36] <Gyrth> mgottschlag: No I have no idea
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[20:37] <Gyrth> But I think the bottom board is for dvd functionality, so that needs to go
[20:37] <steve_rox> dont suppose you rember the model of dvd player? maybe i can find one on ebay :-)
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[20:38] <genewitch> anyone have an idea where i can look at small touchscreens that will work with the Pi?
[20:38] <Gyrth> steve_rox: It's a Provission TRAV 06 PT
[20:38] <steve_rox> searchin now thanks
[20:38] <Gyrth> * TRAV 06 PR
[20:38] <genewitch> My employer wants to buy a bunch of the POE Pi models and have a 4" screen on them for the meeting rooms
[20:38] <rikkib> STM32V has touch screen
[20:38] <linuxstb> There are POE Pi models?
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> genewitch, what PoE Pi models?
[20:38] <genewitch> the 512MB ones are POE
[20:38] <IT_Sean> what POE Pis? o_O
[20:39] <genewitch> i thought
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[20:39] <linuxstb> genewitch: I think you've been misinformed.
[20:39] <IT_Sean> I think you've got some bum info there...
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> don't think so...
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[20:39] <gordonDrogon> you can use a passive PoE unit with the right adapter cables...
[20:39] <genewitch> well i can make POE into a mini USB so... either way
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> but not proper 48v PoE kit ... (well, you can, but the adapters cost as much as the Pi does)
[20:40] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[20:40] <IT_Sean> There is no POE pi.
[20:40] <IT_Sean> You'd have to roll your own 5v solution.
[20:41] <genewitch> Easy enough.
[20:41] <Hodapp> ...Raspberry Poe?
[20:41] * linuxstb wishes there was a POE Pi though
[20:41] <genewitch> the FAQ said they're looking in to it
[20:41] <mgottschlag> Gyrth: try to google the first line of the chip labels
[20:42] <genewitch> i just re-read. anyhow, question still stands, RCA touchscreens, cheapish?
[20:42] <mgottschlag> btw, for the power supply problem, even if the voltage is different, you probably can make a board to generate the lower of the voltages from the other one
[20:42] <Hodapp> If it's not tough to get the 48 V out, and I doubt it would be, you could probably find a pretty cheap DC-DC converter to step you to 5 V or so
[20:42] <genewitch> I can build the stepdown for 15 boxes
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[20:43] <pksato> PoE from a PoE capable switch?
[20:43] <genewitch> Yeah
[20:43] <Gyrth> mgottschlag: Chip labels? Like a serial number?
[20:43] <pksato> In this case, is not simple do build some PSU to power RPi.
[20:43] <pksato> to
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[20:44] <pycoderf> anyone know of a client for no-ip.com that can be run on the raspi?
[20:45] <Hodapp> pycoderf: is the one on their site binary-only?
[20:45] <pycoderf> i think so
[20:45] <mgottschlag> Gyrth: the one below the "M" logos e.g., together with a keyword like "datasheet"
[20:45] <Hodapp> dang
[20:46] <Gyrth> mgottschlag: Ok
[20:46] <mjr> pycoderf, is inadyn available on raspbian, can't check now but it's in ubuntu and advertises no-ip compatibility
[20:46] <mjr> (you can probably compile it over if it isn't)
[20:46] <pycoderf> mjr: i can check. i also noticed that no-ip has an api, not that i would know how to use it. so mayb ei could cobble somethign together in python
[20:46] <mgottschlag> you can also identify some parts directly, e.g. the display controller (next to the display), and the parts with 3-5 legs on one side are power supply chips
[20:47] <linuxstb> pycoderf: inadyn is available in Raspbian (if that works)
[20:47] <mgottschlag> but I bet that all important functionality is spread over both boards
[20:47] <genewitch> pycoderf: there exist those
[20:47] <mgottschlag> the top one doesn't seem to have much logic
[20:47] <pycoderf> i dont have a gui installed. do i need it?
[20:48] <genewitch> pycoderf: for instance gentoo has net-dns/noip-updater
[20:48] <pksato> pycoderf: compile the official no-ip client.
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[20:51] <Gyrth> mgottschlag: Maybe if I remove the bottom board but still power it with the ribbon cable. It says 12 volt. Will that work? http://i.imgur.com/xBnyT.jpg
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[20:52] <BigShip> Heyo, I know people have gotten ps3 controllers working on raspberrypi, but do you think there's anything stopping the Pi from working with a ps3 remote (http://cdn3.fishpond.co.nz/0018/199/378/10109137/4.jpeg)
[20:52] <mgottschlag> Gyrth: monitor.espec.ws/download.php?id=17637 <- a quick google search brought that up, looks interesting
[20:53] <mgottschlag> no idea, you'd need to identify the wires on the ribbon cable
[20:53] <pksato> Gyrth: you need some DC-DC to convert 12V to 5V, also called BEC and UBEC.
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[20:53] <mgottschlag> maybe the schematics in that link can tell more
[20:54] <oldcoolman> has anybody a link to a irc client hows running on the raspy?
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[20:55] <dr_willis> Huh?
[20:55] <mgottschlag> (that is an example usage of the chip on your player)
[20:55] <dr_willis> using weechat here on rasbian just fine
[20:55] <pycoderf> ok i found a client but it doesnt like my password
[20:55] <mgottschlag> oh
[20:55] <Gyrth> mgottschlag: I have no Idea what I'm looking at. Seems very complicated
[20:55] <pycoderf> and putty doesnt let me copy/paste
[20:55] <mgottschlag> Gyrth: I totally overlooked that the ribbon cable is labled
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[20:55] <BigShip> oldcoolman: irssi works well
[20:55] <oldcoolman> hm pidgin ?
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[20:56] * IT_Sean would recommend irssi
[20:56] <oldcoolman> ok, is irissi finish compiled anywere?
[20:56] <FrankBlues> I'm using Xchat right now
[20:56] <BigShip> yep, just apt-get install it
[20:56] <BigShip> yep, just apt-get install irssi
[20:56] <Gyrth> mgottschlag: The +12 is for power I suppose. GND is for ground and the rest I have no idea
[20:57] <mgottschlag> then you'd need to find out
[20:57] <mgottschlag> the traces on the smaller board might give you a hint if you hold it agains the light
[20:57] <oldcoolman> ok, i will try
[20:57] <Gyrth> mgottschlag: Ah yes. Brilliant
[20:58] <GriffenJBS> yeah the 720 pixels of the X screen is much shorter than the 720 pixels of the GL screen, overlay isn't working so well
[20:58] <mjr> GriffenJBS, sounds buggy
[20:58] <oldcoolman> anybody interesting with KNX/EIB server running on raspy?
[20:59] <GriffenJBS> Anyone else tried to overlay GLES over X? any luck?
[20:59] <BigShip> oldcoolman: good link for easy set up of irssi: http://linuxtidbits.wordpress.com/2008/01/09/setting-up-irssi/
[20:59] <dr_willis> I perfer weechat to irssi these days
[20:59] <BigShip> dr_willis: is weechat terminal based?
[21:00] <dr_willis> BigShip: yes.
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[21:00] <dr_willis> it has a better feature set then irssi in many ways.
[21:00] <BigShip> dr_willis: i'll have to check it out then :)
[21:00] <Hodapp> dr_willis: what sort of things?
[21:01] <dr_willis> 'smart' filtering of parts/quits :) so if someone just comes in, and leaves.. i dont see the quit message.. if they come in , chat a little. then leave.. i DO see the part message.
[21:01] <dr_willis> and other neat filter features
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[21:01] <dr_willis> and scripable in several langages. a script 'repository' type system.
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[21:02] <BigShip> it keeps the user list at the top of the screen too right?
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[21:02] <dr_willis> I always hide the nick lists.
[21:02] <dr_willis> theres scripts and features for it.. but i turn it off. ;)
[21:02] <BigShip> kk
[21:03] <pycoderf> where do i set it to always use a different run level?
[21:03] <pycoderf> and add somethign to startup on raspbian
[21:03] <dr_willis> pycoderf: depends on what you want to startup
[21:03] <pycoderf> the ni-ip client i just installed
[21:04] <dr_willis> pycoderf: make a service script for it.. or use /etc/rc.local is one way
[21:04] <pycoderf> what is the best and most accepted way
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[21:08] <pycoderf> rc.local is huge. not sure where to add this line
[21:08] <dr_willis> if its truely a service. set it up as a service.
[21:08] <dr_willis> at the end. ;)
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[21:08] <dr_willis> commandtorun &
[21:09] <pycoderf> and that should run regardless if anyone logs in or not?
[21:09] <pycoderf> im not sure how to make it a service tiehr
[21:09] <dr_willis> rc.local is not huge here...
[21:09] <dr_willis> rc.local is ran as the last thing when all the services startup.
[21:09] <dr_willis> befor the user even logs in. The user never needs to log in.
[21:09] <pycoderf> ok
[21:10] <pycoderf> so i would do /usr/local/bin/noip2 & as the very last line?
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> above the exit line.
[21:10] <dr_willis> yep
[21:10] <dr_willis> befor exit..
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[21:10] <gordonDrogon> and note that the command is run without any $PATH, etc. so if you need to refer to other programs, you need to use the full pathname.
[21:11] <dr_willis> Hmm.. all my rc.local dose is print out the systems ip#. wonder why it needs that.
[21:11] <Gyrth> Can I use this converter to connect the RPi to a Yellow White Red RCA connector? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1M-3FT-HDMI-To-3RCA-3-RCA-Video-Component-Convert-Cable-Cord-Adapter-Fr-HDTV-DVD-/321046318358?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item4abfda0d16
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[21:11] <dr_willis> Gyrth: why not use the rca video out in the first place?
[21:11] <mjr> yellow white red sounds like composite video and left/right audio
[21:11] <Gyrth> dr_willis: It's fuzzy and cut off
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[21:12] <mjr> so yeah, video out to the yellow, and stereo plug to the red and white rca plugs
[21:12] <dr_willis> Gyrth: thats weird.. wonder if you got a messed up Pi.
[21:12] <Gyrth> dr_willis: No hdmi is good. Just the rca isn't
[21:13] <pycoderf> dr_willis: i see alot of exits. there is a bunch of if statements
[21:13] <dr_willis> ive heard the rca video out - normally works decently well. given the limits of the connection
[21:13] <steve_rox> i hear of some ppl saying the composite vid is bad quality , but it seems okay for me
[21:13] <Gyrth> I thought maybe hdmi works better
[21:14] <Hodapp> Composite has worked okay for me.
[21:14] <dr_willis> Ive never even seen a HDMI -> rca converter.
[21:14] <steve_rox> i was wondering about that
[21:14] <Hodapp> dr_willis: you would need a scan converter that would cost about as much as a cheap TV that can handle HDMI
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> compose video is ok for what it is - a 50+ year old technology...
[21:14] <pksato> Gyrth: HDMI to HDMI is better. BUt, HDMI to CBS is same as RCA out direct from RPi.
[21:14] <dr_willis> Hodapp: thats what i was thinking..
[21:14] <Hodapp> CBS?
[21:14] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: I'd still kinda prefer S-Video.
[21:14] <steve_rox> hdmi to composite adapter id a thought it would have a load of expensive pcb conversion in it
[21:15] <mjr> and that converter cable you link to seems passive, thus not going to work for _anything_ that doesn't spesifically support it
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[21:15] <pksato> Composite Broadcast Signal/Standard.
[21:15] <steve_rox> my xbox had some hdmi cables that looked composite like so i shoved one into my pc's tv card composite in
[21:15] <Gyrth> pksato: So no quality improvement
[21:15] <steve_rox> it did display but slightly malformed
[21:15] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: especially considering that it's a trivial difference from composite.
[21:15] <pksato> or is CVS? :)
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[21:16] <Hodapp> steve_rox: Interestingly, if you take any signal from component or VGA and it's at the correct frequency - you basically have black & white composite, or the luma signal of S-Video.
[21:16] <pksato> Gyrth: or, dvd player have a component input?
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, I know, but composite has always been the low common denominator..
[21:17] <Gyrth> pksato: Yellow white red input
[21:17] <pksato> A red, green and blue input conectors.
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[21:17] <Hodapp> pksato: how's component help though?
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> I think it would have been interesting if the Pi had had S Video though.
[21:18] <Hodapp> HDMI -> component still requires scan conversion
[21:18] <pksato> yes, but have better color gammut.
[21:18] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: I would think that at some point internally it basically does, and it's then combined into S-Video.
[21:18] <dr_willis> even findint things that have svideo these days.. is rare.
[21:18] <Hodapp> er, into composite.
[21:18] <IT_Sean> HDMI FTW
[21:18] <dr_willis> I do recall some simple Svideo->composit converter dongles in the past.
[21:18] <geordie> gordonDrogon: my six year old boy and i had fun with your led circuit yesterday
[21:19] <Hodapp> dr_willis: S-Video to composite is dead simple - it's just a capacitor.
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[21:19] <pksato> is correct ajusted, can get a good imagem from RCA out: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=21831
[21:19] <dr_willis> I got several of those conerter dongles.. somewhere..
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> geordie, Ah, the ladder board? neat!
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> geordie, now the challenge is to write your own things for it :)
[21:21] <pycoderf> so my noip process is running as nobody. that should be good enough i would imagine right
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[21:21] <gordonDrogon> My usual Pi compost video output photo: http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[21:22] <Hodapp> compost video? Sounds boring.
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[21:22] <mjr> pycoderf, that should be fine and proper
[21:22] <pycoderf> mjr: thanks
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> pycoderf, sure it's not running as root?
[21:22] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: so is the Pi driving it?
[21:22] <Hodapp> or what?
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, yes, the pi is driving that 30 year old monitor by a program written in BASIC..
[21:22] <pycoderf> gordonDrogon: i did ps -aux and it shows as nobody
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> pycoderf, that surprises me somewhat, but ...
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[21:23] <gordonDrogon> root 1725 0.8 0.2 9972 532 ? Sl 16:04 2:12 /home/gordon/wiringPi/examples/okLed
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> that's started in /etc/rc.local the same way...
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[21:24] <mjr> the daemon is smart and drops its root privileges since it doesn't need them
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, that was the first thing I connected to the first Pi I got - it was the only monitor I had for a while.
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[21:25] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: is that standard Linux textmode on the composite?
[21:25] <mjr> this helps to mitigate any potential security issues it might have, since the nobody user doesn't have that much privileges
[21:25] <pycoderf> nobody 2042 0.0 0.1 2220 832 ? Ss 14:17 0:00 /usr/local/bin/noip2
[21:26] <steve_rox> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-pi-With-Screen-And-Keyboard-And-Everything-Else-/121050988019?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item1c2f337df3
[21:26] <steve_rox> i just found that on ebay
[21:26] <pycoderf> well i guess i need to wait a few days to see if they email me and say the domains will expire
[21:26] <steve_rox> hah
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[21:26] <steve_rox> gotta use more tin foil?
[21:26] <skope> there is no webgui to omxplayer in rpi?
[21:27] <skope> raspbian
[21:27] <steve_rox> amazing how ppl will try sell a pi on ebay i guess
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, no, it's 640x480 graphics mode - being driven by my BASIC which uses SDL.
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[21:28] <skope> hope not, because i've been doing it for whole day
[21:29] <skope> nodejs backend, rest api based
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, it works on my big (tube) TV too. And in colour!
[21:29] <Hodapp> nice!
[21:29] <skope> you give it filename by post and it starts playing
[21:29] <skope> controlling omxplayer via fifo file
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[21:33] <steve_rox> says on that ebay post you can be like james bond due to the pi being in a metal case :-D
[21:33] <steve_rox> not sure bond would have a rainbow pi case
[21:33] <steve_rox> villians may question hes sexuality ;-)
[21:34] <steve_rox> haha
[21:34] <Gyrth> I'm so stupid! The RCA wasn't plugged in all the way. That's why it had a crappy image
[21:34] <Hodapp> why do you THINK he bangs all their wives/girlfriends?
[21:34] <mjr> bond is secure in his manlihood
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[21:35] <mjr> Gyrth, well, problem solved anyway :]
[21:35] <steve_rox> did you see the ebay link?
[21:35] <dr_willis> or you have old old old old corroded rca cables
[21:36] <Gyrth> steve_rox: Thats what I'm going to make :D
[21:36] <steve_rox> i hope you do a neater job
[21:36] <steve_rox> and use less kitchen foil
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> Hm. ?180 is a bit much.
[21:37] <steve_rox> dat foil costs a lot
[21:37] <Gyrth> WHat foil. Don't see any foil
[21:37] <steve_rox> it looks like foil surrounding the screen
[21:37] <steve_rox> cant ya see?
[21:38] <steve_rox> eather that or its a bad texture
[21:38] <Essobi> The one for my hat?
[21:38] <dr_willis> Tinfoil underware is the new big thing dont ya know!
[21:38] <Gyrth> steve_rox: Granit?
[21:38] <steve_rox> im not sure
[21:38] <steve_rox> but the tin foil theory is more fun
[21:38] <Essobi> dr_willis: Is it magical?
[21:38] <Gyrth> Part of a kitchen table :)
[21:39] <steve_rox> probly had some spare from the xmas turkey
[21:39] <steve_rox> even offers a warenty for 41 extra
[21:39] * IT_Sean takes his tinfoil hat off ::crinkle:crinkle:: and places it on the shelf above his monitor.
[21:40] <Gyrth> Pff. People taking advantage of a good thing like The Raspberry Pi. Sickens me!~!
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[21:40] <steve_rox> i have simular feelings
[21:41] <steve_rox> youd expect it to come with some 007 OS on it
[21:41] <IT_Sean> Everyone knows MI6 uses linux
[21:41] <dr_willis> Plan9
[21:42] <steve_rox> wonder how small you could get a pi into a case or something like that
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[21:42] <steve_rox> make a ICA hitman style computer :-P
[21:42] <IT_Sean> Well... the case would have to be just big enough to fit over the board and the ports. So... mot really much smaller than the smallets cases on the market now?
[21:42] <Gyrth> I want to make a case out of wood.
[21:42] <IT_Sean> Me too.
[21:43] <IT_Sean> Someone send me a Pi, and i'll do a wooden case. :p
[21:43] <Gyrth> Burns better
[21:43] <IT_Sean> :o
[21:43] <steve_rox> :-P
[21:43] <oldcoolman> take paper.
[21:43] <Gyrth> Old shoe box and a newspaper
[21:44] <oldcoolman> :-D
[21:44] <Torikun> wouldn't the heat ruin the wood
[21:44] <Torikun> lol
[21:44] <dr_willis> liquid cooled with lighter fluid
[21:44] <IT_Sean> the Pi doesn't get that hot. so... no.
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> Small??? http://hackaday.com/2012/11/26/tiny-mame-cabinet-built-from-raspberry-pi/ try that for size...
[21:44] <Torikun> Nice
[21:44] <BigShip> dr_willis: maybe not the most stable system O.o
[21:44] <Gyrth> IT_Sean: It does if you overclock it
[21:45] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[21:45] <steve_rox> ive still been unable to get mame to run
[21:45] <Essobi> Or it catches on fire.
[21:45] <Torikun> hahah
[21:45] <Essobi> :D
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> Ah, the original site.
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> http://spritesmods.com/?art=rpi_arcade
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[21:45] <Essobi> afternoon gordonDrogon
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[21:46] <Torikun> My 256mb pi runs find overclocked but the 512mb PI always corrupts the FS
[21:46] <dr_willis> Ram is holding in the heat!
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, evening here :)
[21:47] <Hodapp> Torikun: weird...
[21:48] <Gyrth> I have some vague lines running across the screen. Anything I can do About that?
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[21:50] <moritz_89> what u say about the cooling stuff for raspi?
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> moritz_89, if you do it, you need to do it properly and spend ?1000s on it. Otherwise, it's just not worth doing.
[21:51] <mjr> dunk the pi in oil?
[21:51] <steve_rox> that was my idea :-P
[21:51] <oldcoolman> self glue alu foil
[21:52] <markedathome> mjr then you have to worry about oil creeping up the cables
[21:52] <moritz_89> gordonDragon: so that kinda stuff selling on ebuy doesnt works well?
[21:52] <genewitch> what do you need cooling for?
[21:52] <moritz_89> overclocking maybe
[21:53] <oldcoolman> my pi is so warm as my finger
[21:53] <markedathome> BigShip: don't know if anyone answered about the ps3 remote, but there is working ps3 bluray remote via lirc with xbmc
[21:53] <genewitch> i didn't think overclocking required heatsinks
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[21:53] <steve_rox> if ya gona sell a pi on ebay implying your be like james bond you should try make a professional looking thing :-D
[21:53] <steve_rox> esp for that price
[21:54] <IT_Sean> genewitch: it doesn't
[21:54] <moritz_89> xD dont know about overclocking the pi just thought cuz i saw it on ebay. im still waiting for my pi xD
[21:55] <IT_Sean> overclocking with overvolting may, depending on how gigh you go. But just overclocking should not.
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[21:57] <moritz_89> IT_Sean: kk but if i will overclocking with put the V higher , the metal coolers sold n ebay r rubbish?
[21:57] <moritz_89> sry for my bad grammar xD
[21:57] <steve_rox> i assumed them metal coolers are copper sinks for use on dimm modules
[21:57] <IT_Sean> don't apologize for it. correct it.
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[21:58] <steve_rox> some ppl place a heatsink on something hot then think problem soved but you need airflow
[21:58] <steve_rox> but as far as i know the pi is okay to run at these temps
[21:58] <scummos> but the heatsink has far more area for emitting radiation!11!11!
[21:59] <steve_rox> should you not be able to dispose of the heat over the space available it does not matter
[21:59] <TAFB> my Pi runs SUPER cold in this case: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> moritz_89, I really don't think cooling the Pi is a sensible thing to bother with at all.
[21:59] <TAFB> it has aluminum posts inside that cool the components :)
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[21:59] <TAFB> lan chip, cpu and voltage regulator
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[22:00] <steve_rox> i placed a small hunk of metal on mine off a old dead motherboard
[22:00] <steve_rox> probly does nothing to help but still
[22:01] <steve_rox> something to shove on i guess
[22:02] <Gyrth> Pretty cool huh? http://imgur.com/zGiKO
[22:02] <TAFB> ohhhhh nice!
[22:02] <steve_rox> does look neat
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[22:03] <steve_rox> just gotta cobble it together into a nice case thing now
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[22:03] <Gyrth> XBMC has this settings option to move the display. I can't seem to do that on the Raspbian
[22:03] <steve_rox> in the case it came out of cant you fit it all in after gutting certain obsolete parts?
[22:05] <Gyrth> steve_rox: I haven't made the case so I can make it as big as needed. But I want it as small as possible
[22:05] <moritz_89> Is there almost a need for overclocking the pi?
[22:05] <steve_rox> i ment the case the dvd player came in
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> I've stopped bothering overclocking too.
[22:05] <Gyrth> steve_rox: That's a pile of plastic now...
[22:05] <steve_rox> with the optical drive etc removed you may get enough room
[22:06] <steve_rox> plastic can be rebuilt :-D
[22:06] <steve_rox> unless you set it on fire
[22:06] <Gyrth> Woops.. too laye
[22:06] <Gyrth> late
[22:06] <steve_rox> :-D
[22:06] <moritz_89> is there something important to do when i get my pi?
[22:06] <zleap> erm
[22:07] <Gyrth> Scream: " Wopeee!!"
[22:07] <zleap> yeah
[22:07] <steve_rox> only portable display i have is that 3.5 car reverseing display at 5v
[22:07] <moritz_89> for sure xD
[22:07] <zleap> plug it in maybe
[22:07] <zleap> make the sd card up
[22:07] <steve_rox> it has no speakers
[22:07] <pksato> Gyrth: possible that dont need DVD decoder board, and use only diplay board, but, need to rewire all conections.
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[22:07] <steve_rox> does have multi av signal support in tho
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[22:08] <moritz_89> sd card with raspbian(i guess) and just put the image on it or do it by using a speacial FS ?
[22:08] <IT_Sean> Look for power and video input leads on the display board, and just eliminate the rest.
[22:08] <steve_rox> your going to inspire me to get a dvd player like that if your not carefull
[22:08] <steve_rox> perhaps a multi meter may be handy
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[22:09] <pksato> DVD board, also host a audio amplifier.
[22:09] <steve_rox> wonder if a pi could read a multi meter display
[22:09] <Gyrth> I don't know anything about circuitry . And I don't have a soldering iron so I'm just going to put it all in the case.
[22:09] <IT_Sean> steve_rox: not directly
[22:09] <steve_rox> how dissapointing
[22:10] <zleap> moritz_89, http://www.raspberrypi.org/quick-start-guide
[22:10] <steve_rox> you could program pi to react on certain meter events
[22:10] <Gyrth> Is there an image with emulators on it?
[22:10] <steve_rox> just a thought :-P
[22:10] <zleap> rasp pi emulator you mean
[22:10] <IT_Sean> and how is the Pi going to know when these vents occur, if it cannot read the display? hmmmm?
[22:11] <IT_Sean> *events
[22:11] <steve_rox> thats the first part to solve
[22:11] <zleap> i think gordonDrogon can help with this
[22:11] <steve_rox> im gonna brb
[22:11] * IT_Sean thumps steve_rox
[22:11] <steve_rox> gonna get a drink of tea
[22:11] <steve_rox> i can see im allready well liked here
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[22:11] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:12] <pksato> put some webcam on front multimeter display, and use some kind of OCR. :)
[22:12] <IT_Sean> that's... actually not a bad idea.
[22:12] <steve_rox> heh
[22:12] <Gyrth> zleap: An image to put on the RAsberri pi for game emulation I mean
[22:12] <steve_rox> brb :-P
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[22:13] <pksato> i2c or spi ADC cost less that webcam. :)
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[22:13] <zleap> erm
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[22:15] <zleap> Gyrth, like this http://blog.sheasilverman.com/pimame-raspberry-pi-os-download/
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[22:15] <Gyrth> zleap: Holy shit. The music ... soo loud! Scared me..
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[22:16] <zleap> lol sorry i just paste links
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[22:17] <pksato> samples to request: http://www.maximintegrated.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/4279
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[22:17] <gordonDrogon> help with what?
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[22:18] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, connect an A/D convertor to the input to the display and get the Pi to read that...
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[22:19] <IT_Sean> Is the GPIO on the Pi fast enough to read that?
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[22:25] <gordonDrogon> sure - there are plenty of SPI and I2C A/D chips out there.
[22:25] <oldcoolman> ahh
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> Gertboard has an SPI one.
[22:25] <IT_Sean> ahh... okeh
[22:25] <IT_Sean> neat.
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> as well as an SPI D/A chip.
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[22:26] <Essobi> AVR328P@8mhz @ 3.3V
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> This: http://unicorn.drogon.net/gert.png shows them both in operation :)
[22:26] <Essobi> Yurp.
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, that's the d/a and a/d chips, not the atmega..
[22:27] <Essobi> Ah.
[22:27] <Essobi> Still.. a 328P can talk SPI, and can do A/D. :D
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[22:32] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> but it's a faff when you can just plug in a dedicatd chip if that's all you need.
[22:33] <Essobi> fair enough
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[22:47] <MycoRunner> any suggestions for a tiling or dynamic window manager to try out?
[22:47] <MycoRunner> I'm new to tiling wm's
[22:47] <skope> openbox
[22:47] <ackthet> i3 or xmonad
[22:47] <skope> fdsfd tiling
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[22:48] <skope> awesome
[22:49] <MycoRunner> ok, i3, xmonad or awesome
[22:49] <ackthet> if your a massive newb go with awesome or i3
[22:49] <ackthet> at least a tiling newb
[22:49] <MycoRunner> well yeah I'm a tiling newb
[22:49] <aDroPi> test
[22:49] <MycoRunner> thanks I'll check those out
[22:49] <ackthet> then awesome
[22:49] <aDro> Yay
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[22:51] <pycoderf> what would cause udp packets to not be received by my rpi
[22:51] <pycoderf> iptables is not setup
[22:52] <steve_rox> im back
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[22:53] <steve_rox> anything interesting going on?
[22:54] <steve_rox> dog loves the lazor pointer in pi keyboard :-)
[22:54] <MycoRunner> laser pointer in a keyboard?
[22:55] <steve_rox> yeah
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[22:55] <Torikun> yo
[22:56] <Torikun> steve_rox: were you the guy who baught the PI on ebay and cancelled order online ?
[22:56] <PatrickBic> hi
[22:56] <steve_rox> not that i know of
[22:56] <steve_rox> i only own one pi
[22:56] <Torikun> oh wrong person then lol
[22:56] <steve_rox> ;-)
[22:56] <steve_rox> the dog wants to eat the keyboard now
[22:56] * Torikun ordered his 4th pi today
[22:56] <steve_rox> she loves lazors
[22:56] <skope> i messed up my laptop when installing raspbian to sd card
[22:56] <steve_rox> i havent figured out a real purpose for pi yet
[22:57] <skope> note to self: check which disk you're flushing before doing it
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> pycoderf, how do you know they're not being recieved?
[22:57] <Torikun> steve_rox: I just use host drupal at hoem with some load balancers
[22:57] <skope> /boot was long gone
[22:57] <steve_rox> erm i see
[22:57] <pycoderf> gordonDrogon: i run a mumble server on my pi and the client informed me
[22:57] <Torikun> and DNS, email
[22:57] <skope> is there new model coming up?
[22:57] <BigShip> Torikun: did you set up your own email server?
[22:57] <skope> some friend told me about it
[22:57] <Torikun> Yes BigShip
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[22:58] <steve_rox> whats drupal
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> pycoderf, well I've no idea what mumble is - but the far-end would need to send something for you to recieve it, wouldn't it?
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[22:58] <BigShip> Torikun: so it'd be like Torikun@whatevertheFyouwant.com
[22:58] <pycoderf> its on my local lan
[22:58] <Torikun> BigShip: http://www.linux-toys.com/?q=node/7
[22:58] <pycoderf> mumble is a voip application
[22:58] <BigShip> <3
[22:58] <Torikun> rusher@linux-toys.com goes to Pi
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> ah.
[22:58] <Torikun> using Gmail as a smtp relay
[22:58] <steve_rox> i have mumble on mine
[22:59] <aDro> BerryBoot
[22:59] <aDroPi> IRSSI
[22:59] <steve_rox> runs mumble very well
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[22:59] <steve_rox> least the server part
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[22:59] <aDro> I like how safe it is as a server.
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[23:00] <gordonDrogon> well you might need some sort of tunneling or port forawrding in your firewall to make it work with someone off your LAN.
[23:00] <steve_rox> i dont know how safe a pi is as a server
[23:00] <steve_rox> probly safer than windows
[23:00] <Torikun> Pretty save if not overclocked
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, it's as safe as any other Linux server out there.
[23:00] <pycoderf> gordonDrogon: well right now its just why inside the lan it gave me that
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> or do you mean stable?
[23:00] <aDro> Probably both
[23:00] <aDro> In both cases.
[23:01] <aDro> Stability
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> it's stable enough and as secure as you care to make it.
[23:01] <aDroPi> Adn security
[23:01] <steve_rox> still trying to figure out what to do with my pi
[23:01] <aDroPi> This Pi is behind a router and a PC
[23:01] <skope> i bought mine to act as a media server
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> pycoderf, don't really know anything about mumble other than a quick google just now - done lots of SIP VoIP though, but not this.
[23:02] <aDroPi> The only way to access it is through the PC, so get access to my PC and you will have partial access to my pi.
[23:02] <steve_rox> when them camera modules are out im guessing there will be all sorts of insane fun projects kicking off
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[23:04] <PatrickBic> i cant power the pi somehow else (beside the normal ac jack) right?
[23:04] <steve_rox> ppl may make their own werid digital cams
[23:04] <steve_rox> err
[23:04] <steve_rox> you mean usb port?
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[23:04] <PatrickBic> something else ;-)
[23:04] <steve_rox> can power it using gpio pins i think
[23:04] <steve_rox> not sure
[23:04] <TAFB> you can power it through GPIO or reverse powering one of the regular USB ports
[23:05] <Torikun> TAFB: is it safe to update archlinux yet?
[23:05] <PatrickBic> i am going to connect it to a screen (how unusual ;-) and screw it to the back of it (using this vesa mounting stuff).. thought of a way to _not_ have to use 2 power-outlets
[23:05] <steve_rox> you can shove power into the pi's usb to power it?
[23:05] <PatrickBic> TAFB, how standard compliant is that (usb reverse powering)?
[23:06] <steve_rox> first time i hear of it
[23:06] <mjr> PatrickBic, not at all
[23:06] <PatrickBic> great
[23:06] <steve_rox> probly send the polly fuses mad
[23:06] <PatrickBic> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=20810 <-
[23:06] <PatrickBic> acorrding to that it works
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[23:07] <aDro> What Remote Desktop works well with Raspbian?
[23:07] <aDro> I think i already installed it
[23:07] <mjr> oh yeah it probably only works on the later revisions where the usb polyfuses are removed (or if you short them yourself)
[23:07] <PatrickBic> mjr, exactly
[23:07] <PatrickBic> more precisely (forgive me my spamming) http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=16473
[23:08] <steve_rox> rawr rawr spam :-P
[23:08] <steve_rox> release the hounds
[23:08] <steve_rox> :-D
[23:09] <steve_rox> so its the latest boards it would work best on
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[23:09] <aDro> anyone got any info on an external SSD on a Pi?
[23:09] <steve_rox> hmm theres a thought , a usb power pack that charges on pi but when power is cut it takes over in reverse? just a thought
[23:09] <aDro> Any speed increase?
[23:10] <BigShip> aDro: was just typing in that question
[23:10] <mjr> steve_rox, either it charges really slow or you bypass also the input polyfuse in some manner...
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[23:10] <steve_rox> erm okays
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[23:12] <BigShip> adro: someone said vncserver or x forwarding through ssh. Haven't explored those, but they could be something to look into
[23:13] <aDroPi> Ok, I am trying to find out what I used before, I need to change the port if I can.
[23:18] <Torikun> eI use that all the time at work BigShip
[23:19] <aDro> XRDP, is that default Raspbian software?
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> I've used both vncserver and X/ssh forarding...
[23:23] <MycoRunner> shouldn't power the pi over the USB port unless you have one of the newer ones without polyfuses (or you remove/short the fuses on the older ones)
[23:23] <mjr> this was covered
[23:23] <Torikun> how do you tell
[23:24] <zleap> you can use the -p or -P option with ssh to specify the port used, default is 22 so you don't need it, if you changfe theconfig you need to specify the port (if this is wrong please let me know)
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> not so much that you shouldn't, more that you can't... (power over usb)
[23:24] <Torikun> look for this gordonDrogon ? http://www.camdenelec.com/images/Polyfuse1.jpg
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> Torikun, I'm not looking, no.
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[23:24] <BigShip> so... has anyone used an ssd with their RPi?
[23:25] <MycoRunner> depends if you consider an SD card an SSD
[23:25] <Torikun> tafb has lol
[23:25] <MycoRunner> :P
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> it's solid state and looks like a disk ... :)
[23:25] <Torikun> Im running USB flash drives for my root FS BigShip
[23:25] <BigShip> MycoRunner: for this question, no. SSD's can achieve more writes =P
[23:25] * dniMretsaM is now known as dniMretsaM_away
[23:25] <BigShip> MycoRunner: plus they look sexier
[23:26] <MycoRunner> BigShip: true
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[23:26] <BigShip> Torikun: why not a traditional drive? I was thinking of getting a 128GB mSata SDD. Couldn't figure out how I'd connect it though...
[23:26] <Torikun> cost
[23:27] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[23:27] <Torikun> buying 4 pis consumed my budgewt
[23:27] <mjr> BigShip, usb adapter. Yes, that is slow. Yes, a proper SSD is probably wasted on the Pi.
[23:27] <BigShip> mjr: poo.
[23:28] <Torikun> but the pi has poor io
[23:28] <BigShip> mjr: so basically the only benefit would form factor, and I could drop it a lot then?
[23:28] <Torikun> network,usb, Sd all on same controlller
[23:28] <mjr> I imagine fast seek times would remain an advantage over a hdd
[23:28] <aDro> A flash drive would work as good as any SSD
[23:28] <BigShip> mjr: so basically the only benefit would form factor, and I could drop it a lot then? + slightly faster
[23:29] <aDro> Especially capped at USB 2.0 Speeds
[23:29] <mjr> pretty much
[23:29] <BigShip> aDro: I guess I'll just use my tiny sandisk usb then
[23:29] <aDro> Yeah
[23:29] <aDro> Or a couple.
[23:30] <BigShip> aDro: hmm, x2 16GB with x2 OS on each and a bootloader on the SD?
[23:30] <Torikun> i had power issues running two USB drives on it
[23:31] <BigShip> Torikun: I'll probably end up running it off a powered hub
[23:31] <aDro> BerryBoot
[23:31] <aDro> http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot
[23:32] <aDro> yeah, usb hub seems like the way to go
[23:32] <BigShip> aDro: why not Uboot?
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[23:32] <aDro> I think I mistook berryboot for uboot
[23:33] <aDro> Did you get Uboot working?
[23:33] <aDro> At the time, I was looking for bootloaders, I was looking for a small enough image for the 512MB SD card
[23:33] <aDro> Find a use for it
[23:34] <BigShip> aDro: Someone gave it to me last night. Berryboot looks sexy
[23:34] <aDro> I may have said UBoot before
[23:34] <aDro> did you get it working?
[23:34] <aDro> I don't think I did for the 512 so i gave it up, I will try again if it's worth it
[23:35] <MycoRunner> does the SD card run over USB?
[23:35] <MycoRunner> or is it faster?
[23:35] <aDro> Faster than USB?
[23:35] <BigShip> aDro: haven't tried it. You might have been the one that gave it to me. But I got the link at about 4am last night and kind of forgot I had it
[23:35] <MycoRunner> well the ethernet is on the USB controller
[23:35] <mgottschlag> it doesn't use usb, still quite a bit slower
[23:35] <MycoRunner> wasn't sure if the SD card is also
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[23:35] <MycoRunner> oh
[23:36] <MycoRunner> slower than USB?
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[23:36] <mgottschlag> the average sd card has far less than 20MB/s throughput
[23:37] <aDro> The simple answer is currently as high as 832Mbit/s(dependent upon standard). The more complex answer is we do not know what specification the SD card reader in RasPi has yet. The specifications determine which cards it can use. The different cards have different data transfer rates.
[23:37] <aDro> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=584
[23:37] <aDro> Quoted from Lob042, Post 1423
[23:38] <MycoRunner> aDro: ah i see
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[23:39] <MycoRunner> I got a "45MB/s" rated card, but that may have been overkill
[23:39] <mgottschlag> well, then the pi might indeed be faster than usb with that card
[23:41] <BigShip> aDro: I'll let you know if I get that set up. Atm I don't have any spare drives so it'll have to wait
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[23:48] <pycoderf> how come there are no snes emulators that work on the pi
[23:48] <zleap> i thought there was
[23:49] <pycoderf> all i found was retropi but i had no luck getting it to work
[23:49] <zleap> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=23272
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[23:49] * zleap will stick to speccy emultors
[23:49] <zleap> emulators
[23:50] * zleap hides from c64 fans
[23:51] <pycoderf> well if thats the best or only one looks like i learn how to compile
[23:51] <zleap> well that is a good skil anyway
[23:52] <zleap> is it not in the pi repositories
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[23:59] <Bane`> Has anyone used the 5V and ground of the GPIO to make a simple LED circuit?

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