#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-15

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <Bane`> I want to buy one of those cheap clear cases and put some LEDs in it, for shits and giggles
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[0:02] <seba-> Bane`, I didn't, but i guess it would work :)
[0:02] <swart> check adafruit's website. they have a gpio tutorial
[0:03] <Bane`> Hmm, I may even get a black case with the raspberry logo cut out, and put red leds behind it
[0:03] <Bane`> And thanks, will do
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[0:05] <Torikun> TAFB: trying to update archlinux on the PI messed it up again lol
[0:06] <Essobi> .16
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[0:34] <TAFB> OH NOES!
[0:35] <TAFB> I just updated arch on mine, no probs ?!
[0:36] <mdszy> ergh
[0:36] <mdszy> dammit, XBMC, why do you work sometimes but not others? D:
[0:36] * mdszy tries waiting to see if it'll play
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[1:05] <spline> does anyone have a page on libcec/cec support? My TV (Panasonic) does support it. Do I need something on the Pi/XBMC?
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[1:35] <Torikun_> any archlinux users?
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[1:37] <UnaClocker> Nope, Debian FTW
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[1:39] <Torikun_> lol Arch has a great bug that hoses ext4 systems with their latest kernel upgrade
[1:39] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I've heard..
[1:39] <apo> Torikun_: haha
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[1:49] <TomWij> Torikun_: It appears you have no idea what that bug means, it's not what you think.
[1:49] <Torikun_> it has to do with the firmware package it seems
[1:50] <Torikun_> according to the forum
[1:50] <Torikun_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=20522
[1:50] <Torikun_> Is that correct TomWij
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[1:55] <TomWij> Torikun_: No, rather with the kernel parameters.
[1:55] <Torikun_> nobarrier?
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[1:57] <TomWij> Deviations within the firmware can deviate the amount of time it takes for root to become available, probably some kernel parameters even disallow root from becoming available. If you don't wait enough that could be one reason for this to occur.
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[1:57] <Torikun_> ah ok
[1:58] <TomWij> Yeah, there's also been the nobarrier ext4 bug, different from this one; where no large share of users were affected as it was a way too specific situation. I thought for a moment you were referring to that one.
[1:58] <Torikun_> Ah ok
[1:59] <TomWij> Torikun_: At least, that's how it looks. Something in firmware changes that delays things / breakis it for a certain kernel parameter, ...
[1:59] <Torikun_> oh
[1:59] <TomWij> I use a bare minimum set and didn't see this problem.
[2:01] <TomWij> Just "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=1 consoleblank=0 quiet", and instead of the smsc trick (to get rid of dmesg floods / full buffer when working with large file transfers) I do vm.min_free_kbytes = 8192 in sysctl.
[2:02] <Torikun_> Oh nice. So will this be fixed in an update soon?
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[2:04] * TomWij doesn't use Arch, it appears as if an old version sticks in the package manager and they should consider upgrading. But then again, I don't care to take a look at what there is in the package of Arch.
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[2:06] <TomWij> Probably packaged a bad firmware version then, doesn't Arch have something like stabilization in their package manager?! :S
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[2:09] <Zarek_away> arch packages releases as soon as they come basically - bleeding edge has it perks and it's downsides
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[2:10] <TomWij> Torikun_: When using non-mainstream distros it basically boils down to managing it yourself, I suppose, if you got this just now then I don't think there are much people maintaining Raspberry Pi; since that thread / bug dates back from two months ago or so.
[2:10] <skope> it's like jumping down the plane and hoping that the parashoot will open if you do pacman -Syu
[2:10] <Torikun_> =(
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[2:11] <Torikun_> i started getting it a week ago or so
[2:12] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[2:12] <Torikun_> and some people come in here after upgrading their first time and encounter it
[2:12] * ShiftPlusOne has always found arch to be quite stable and reliable
[2:12] <Torikun_> for x86 ShiftPlusOne
[2:12] <ShiftPlusOne> and arm
[2:13] <ShiftPlusOne> though I am not using it that heavily, so maybe I just haven't run into problems *yet*
[2:13] <TomWij> ShiftPlusOne: I'm on "unstable" in Gentoo, it's somewhat comparable to the Arch releases if you think of it.
[2:13] <Torikun_> upgrade now ShiftPlusOne
[2:13] <Torikun_> lol
[2:13] * ShiftPlusOne accepts the challange >=/
[2:13] <Torikun_> Yes!
[2:13] <Torikun_> lol
[2:14] <TomWij> Also works most of the time here. But if some upstream decides to go crazy on releasing not-so-stable packages I'll happily drop the "unstable" keyword for their packages... ^^
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[2:19] <tinti_> hi have someone ever used a JTAG on Rpi?
[2:19] <Torikun_> ShiftPlusOne: backup /boot first lol it helped me
[2:20] <ShiftPlusOne> having network problems, will have to delay the experiment
[2:20] <Torikun_> Doh!
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[2:20] <ShiftPlusOne> and never, I'll pacman -Syu like a man.
[2:20] <Torikun_> lol
[2:21] <skope> im running arch in this minilaptop
[2:21] <skope> and it works great
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[2:21] <Torikun_> x86!
[2:22] <skope> few kernel bugs broke wifi, but reverting to lts worked until they got it fixed
[2:22] <Torikun_> I have 3 PI's in a webserver at home, I want to have latest updates for security
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[2:23] <skope> well arch in webserver isn't so good solution
[2:23] <Torikun_> why
[2:24] <skope> but roll the way you want
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[2:24] <Torikun_> wht is it not a good solution
[2:24] <Torikun_> *why
[2:24] <skope> if you maintain your packages well and read carefully release notes, then ok
[2:25] <skope> but you have to admit, it's not the stablest of them all
[2:25] <Torikun_> yup
[2:25] <Torikun> exit
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[2:25] <Zarek_> >read carefully
[2:25] <Zarek_> heheh.
[2:25] <Zarek_> blind pacman -Syyu is fun!
[2:25] <skope> maybe properly
[2:25] <skope> Zarek_: true
[2:26] <skope> never read arch news
[2:26] <skope> "wtf is systemd"
[2:26] <skope> "why doesn't rc.d work anymore"
[2:26] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[2:26] <Torikun_> hahahahah
[2:26] <Torikun_> Using systemd on the pi got me starting to like it
[2:26] <Torikun_> i hated it at first
[2:27] <UnaClocker> Yay, my final adapter for my lapdock arrived.. About to power up my Raspberry Pi laptop for the first time. :)
[2:27] <skope> i was against archs rolling release stuff before, but then i tried it and fell in love
[2:27] <Torikun_> Yeah for desktop, rolling rules
[2:27] <Torikun_> server,no
[2:27] * Torikun_ does a pacman -Syuf
[2:28] <skope> --noconfirm
[2:28] <Torikun_> forgot that one lol
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[2:28] <skope> it's the next boot which tickles my balls
[2:29] <skope> after -Syu
[2:29] <skope> and f
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[2:30] <skope> i meant basketballs
[2:30] <Torikun_> Ofcourse
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[2:31] <IT_Sean> uh huuh.
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[2:31] <Torikun_> your basketballs been courted
[2:31] <Torikun_> lol
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[2:32] <skope> well, now i know that do not mention ballgames in in here
[2:32] <skope> hope i didnt join back too early
[2:33] <Torikun_> lol
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[2:45] <ReggieUK> only if it was a ban
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[3:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Where are the nay-sayers? Just rebooted arch after updating.
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[3:25] <Primer> PIs don't have any soft of network boot rom, right? To boot it, you must boot from SD?
[3:26] <IT_Sean> Yup
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[3:36] <aDroPi> I have a Raspberry Pi and it's connected to IRC.
[3:36] <aDroPi> What do you have?
[3:38] <skope> i have a raspberry pi which runs nodejs backend to control omxplayer and nginx+php5-fpm as frontend to browse and play files via webgui which i coded myself
[3:38] <skope> what do you have?
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[3:40] <aDro> How Do I install node.js on the pi?
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[3:42] <skope> depends which os you are using
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[3:45] <aDro> Raspbian
[3:46] <aDro> I guess I use git?
[3:48] <aDro> Do I have to use git?
[3:48] <skope> git version is better
[3:48] <ackthet> and haskell
[3:48] <aDro> Ok.
[3:48] <skope> i think theres .deb somewhere
[3:48] <ackthet> mr hacker news
[3:49] <ackthet> I KNOW WHO YOU ARE
[3:49] <aDro> How did you find me out?
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[3:51] <ackthet> aDro: node.js
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[3:56] <skurk> I have a raspberry pi that doesn't run any cool stuff at all
[3:56] <skurk> just sqlite3, ssh, nginx and boring lab stuff
[3:56] <skope> it
[3:56] <NaCl> nginx is exciting
[3:56] <skope> it's nice to own
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[3:57] <skurk> the plan was to run arch arm
[3:57] <skurk> but my $2 card reader was apparently a one time use device
[3:58] <skurk> and I had a SD card with raspbian
[3:58] <skurk> so raspbian it is :)
[3:58] <deez79> hello raspberryPi enthusiasts
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[4:03] <deez79> does anyone keep their pi running 24/7 for any reason? If so, have they encountered any issue?
[4:03] <Zarek_> i do, and i've never had an issue
[4:03] <ShiftPlusOne> +1
[4:04] <skope> any cooling problems?
[4:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Yes, people keep asking about cooling and doing silly things like sticking heatsinks on their pi.
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[4:05] <paxcoder> can video mode be changed on the fly?
[4:05] <deez79> I have gotten Kernal Panics after about two weeks of being on all the time
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[4:05] <skope> ShiftPlusOne: how is cooling sinks silly thing?
[4:05] <Torikun_> deez79: i run two pi's 247
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[4:06] <Torikun_> i had issues with one pi getting FS corruption when over clocked
[4:06] <skurk> I'm running my pi 24/7 as a lab server, not encountered any issues, albeit I've only had it running for a stiff week so far
[4:06] <paxcoder> video mode. can it be changed without restarting?
[4:06] <skurk> X video mode yes, framebuffer video mode no
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> skurk, wrong
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, you can change the video mode without restarting
[4:07] <paxcoder> skurk: what's the difference?
[4:07] <paxcoder> oh
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=25933
[4:07] <skurk> I stand corrected
[4:08] <deez79> Zarek_, what kind of case do you use?
[4:08] <paxcoder> ShiftPlusOne: i meant the std_tv option
[4:08] <ShiftPlusOne> skope, it doesn't make a difference to the cpu temperature, there's no thermal coupling. Under normal conditions, even overclocked, you don't get anywhere near the temperatures where you would have to worry.
[4:08] <Zarek_> deez79, a plastic one I got from element14
[4:08] <ShiftPlusOne> paxcoder, ah, no clue then.
[4:08] <paxcoder> skurk: so what's the diff?
[4:08] <skope> ShiftPlusOne: how about if its in a case? is cooling fan needed?
[4:09] <skurk> you need to send kernel parameters to change the console video mode?
[4:09] <paxcoder> skurk: the output video mode. one in /boot/config.txt
[4:09] <deez79> Zarek_, are you running Raspbian ?wheezy??
[4:10] <paxcoder> skurk: PAL SECAM NTSC, that stuff i guess
[4:10] <Zarek_> deez79, nope, Arch
[4:10] <deez79> Torikun_, are you using a plastic case?
[4:10] <skurk> mkey, don't know about that
[4:10] <Torikun_> Yes deez79
[4:10] <ShiftPlusOne> skope, depends on the sort of case, I suppose. Some cases can act as a heatsink and might actually make a difference, for example, this one http://elinux.org/File:DSC01812-P-shop-5.jpg. But in general, no you don't need to worry about it, unless you're leaving it to bake in a metal case in 40 degree (C) heat. =/
[4:10] <deez79> Zarek_, Thanks... I may try that next
[4:11] <ShiftPlusOne> skope, just monitor your own temperature for a bit to get a feel for it, if you're worried.
[4:11] <deez79> Torikun_, Are you using Raspbian ?wheezy??
[4:11] <Torikun_> arch
[4:11] <deez79> Oh
[4:11] <skurk> no need to worry about overheating at my place, it's -22 C (or -8 F) here :)
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[4:12] <ShiftPlusOne> skope, by default, the pi will turn off if it reaches 85. It will usually run in the 50-60 range, maybe in the 70s if overclocked and running at 100% load.
[4:12] <ShiftPlusOne> (from my experience... YMMV)
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[4:12] <skurk> I would gladly take all your pis and keep them cool
[4:12] <Torikun_> lol
[4:12] <ShiftPlusOne> skurk, where are you ? O_o
[4:12] <ShiftPlusOne> sweden?
[4:13] <skurk> central (geographically speaking) Sweden
[4:13] <skope> ShiftPlusOne: okay, thanks
[4:13] <danieldeusing> anyone runs angstrom on the raspberry ?
[4:13] <skurk> 600km north of Stockholm
[4:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, I saw a Swedish band (SABATON) last night, not bad. =)
[4:14] <Torikun_> Ikea!
[4:14] <Torikun_> Dragon Tatoo!
[4:14] <skurk> ShiftPlusOne: I see, where?
[4:14] <ShiftPlusOne> skurk, Melbourne. They were opening for Nightwish.
[4:15] <ShiftPlusOne> The crowd loved them.
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[4:15] <skurk> ShiftPlusOne: did they play any of the songs from the new album like carolus rex?
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[4:16] <skurk> the ones with lyrics in Swedish
[4:16] <ShiftPlusOne> skurk, can't say, I haven't heard of them before a few weeks ago and only checked out a few songs before the gig. But yes, he did say "...and from our new album..."
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[4:16] <skope> nightwish heh
[4:16] <skurk> ShiftPlusOne: they shit hit the fan in Swedish media when they released that album
[4:17] <skurk> ShiftPlusOne: racism etc
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[4:18] <ShiftPlusOne> How rude, we were in the middle of a conversation =p
[4:19] <UnaClocker> The lapdock rocks! :)
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[4:23] <skurk> ShiftPlusOne: regarding metal, here is an interesting image http://www.altpress.com/images/made/images/uploads/news/MetalBands_620_282_70.jpg
[4:24] <ShiftPlusOne> looks about right
[4:24] <ShiftPlusOne> I would've thought America would have a bit more going for it though.
[4:25] <Torikun_> we got debt
[4:25] <skurk> lots of people in the US but also lots of not so metal cultures
[4:26] <skurk> Swedish social security and 6 months of darkness is the main factor I guess :)
[4:26] <Torikun_> anyone have owncloud on their pi
[4:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Torikun_, I had it going for a while... too slow.
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[4:27] <skurk> Torikun_: yes, and I've managed to speed it up a lot
[4:27] <Torikun_> yeah and it would not work storing the files on cifs share
[4:27] <Torikun_> had issues
[4:27] <skurk> apt-get install php-apc is the key to somewhat usable performance
[4:28] <Torikun_> pgp-fpm here
[4:28] <Torikun_> nginx
[4:28] <Torikun_> load balanced
[4:28] <skurk> still kind of too slow to really use though
[4:28] <Torikun_> and I hate that the files kinda have to be on the SD
[4:28] <Torikun_> lol
[4:29] <Torikun_> the desktop client was crappy
[4:29] <Torikun_> and hard to use
[4:29] <skurk> haven't tried mounting external filesystems
[4:29] <Torikun_> it did make me learn how to setup https though
[4:29] <Torikun_> lol
[4:29] <skurk> and the desktop client is pretty bad, I agree
[4:30] <skurk> although I have only tried the OSX one
[4:30] <Torikun_> same here
[4:30] <Torikun_> you do time machine on the pi?
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[4:30] <skurk> no not yet, I just got my macbook as a gift from my brother, it's his old one
[4:30] <skurk> macbook 3.1
[4:30] <Torikun_> oh
[4:31] <Torikun_> very slow on the pi
[4:31] <Torikun_> had many issues
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[4:31] <skurk> it was running Lion at first, but damn that OS is like iPad
[4:32] <Torikun_> haha
[4:32] <Torikun_> love it
[4:32] <ParkerR> Os is like iPod?
[4:32] <skurk> tried to use time machine to samba etc, but turned out it was not possible
[4:32] <Torikun_> better than win8
[4:32] <ParkerR> *OS
[4:32] <skurk> I downgraded to Snow Leopard
[4:32] <skurk> much better
[4:32] <skurk> less iPad feel
[4:32] <Torikun_> the latest osx is nice
[4:32] <Torikun_> snow snow something
[4:32] <skurk> Mountain Lion
[4:32] <Torikun_> snow mountian lion ?
[4:33] <Torikun_> 10.8.2
[4:33] <skurk> no, no snow :)
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[4:33] <Hodapp> it's OS X Fluffy Kitty
[4:33] <skurk> just Mountains
[4:33] <Torikun_> lol
[4:33] <Torikun_> oh ok your right
[4:33] <Torikun_> last one was lion
[4:33] <Torikun_> then mountian lion
[4:33] <skurk> 10.9 will be Kitcat and then they have ran out of feline names
[4:33] <Hodapp> fluffy kitty >:|
[4:33] <Torikun_> lol
[4:33] <ParkerR> Your first problem was Mac OSX at all :P
[4:33] <skurk> so OSX 11 will be called P***y
[4:33] <Torikun_> i love ubuntu unity on my macbook pro
[4:34] <ParkerR> Torikun_: Don't make me puch you
[4:34] <ParkerR> *punch
[4:34] <Torikun_> lol
[4:34] <Torikun_> I use less than 1 GB of ram on Ubuntu on the MacBook Pro. With OSX, I have 1 GB free out of 4GB lol
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[4:34] <skurk> this is my first real experience with OSX and it's actually pretty nice as long as you stay away from the i-stuff
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[4:35] <Hodapp> I've been using OS X since 2007. I find it quite nice really.
[4:35] <UnaClocker> OSX rulez.. I run it on all my PC's.
[4:35] <Hodapp> I do prefer Linux for a lot of development stuff though, and certainly for servers.
[4:35] <Torikun_> same here Hodapp
[4:35] <Torikun_> try ubuntu on your mac
[4:35] <Torikun_> its nice
[4:35] <skurk> I prefer Linux for desktop use as well, everything is so much easier with a rolling release OS
[4:35] <Hodapp> I have. It doesn't run that well. Main gripe is that the touchpad is just a pain.
[4:35] <UnaClocker> I hate Ubuntu. Been running Mint ever since they ruined the user interface.
[4:35] <skurk> everything in OSX are one big compromise
[4:35] <Torikun_> my touchpad works fine
[4:36] <skurk> the last time I tried Ubuntu I didn't even manage to install it
[4:36] <Torikun_> except the back and forward in chrome
[4:36] <Hodapp> Torikun_: Mine has all sorts of documented problems. Behavior is just never as smooth as OS X; little things like the cursor jumping around when I type because my hand might brush it are huge huge annoyances when trying to get anything done.
[4:36] <ParkerR> A base netinstall of Debian or an install of Arch is the only way to go for me
[4:36] <skurk> I'm apparently to dumb coming from 17 years of Debian, Gentoo and Arch
[4:37] <Torikun_> lol
[4:37] * ParkerR high fives skurk
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[4:37] * Torikun_ runs Solaris 11 on my Pi
[4:37] <skurk> in reality Ubuntu (at that time) could not boot from UEFI systems :)
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[4:38] <skurk> so why bother when arch works like a charm?
[4:38] <Hodapp> Torikun_: Apparently you've never used the Solaris installer. It asks you how much your computer cost, and if you put in a number less than $15,000, it laughs at you and kills the install.
[4:38] <Torikun_> hahahahaaha
[4:38] <Torikun_> i have to support solaris at work and Linux =(
[4:38] <Torikun_> sucks Hodapp
[4:40] <Torikun_> http://www.linux-toys.com/
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[4:41] <Coburn> Anyone a gun expert here?
[4:41] <UnaClocker> Working in IT sucks. Don't miss that at all.
[4:41] <Coburn> ^ at times, yeah
[4:42] <UnaClocker> Crap hours, crap pay, crap respect.
[4:42] <Torikun_> i spend most of my work day ssh'd into my pi
[4:42] <Torikun_> lol
[4:42] <Coburn> Thanks for reminding me
[4:42] <Coburn> I need to turn one into mission control
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[4:43] <skurk> mission control?
[4:43] <skurk> as in OSX mission control?
[4:43] <Torikun_> lol
[4:43] <skurk> that's why Lion had to go
[4:43] <UnaClocker> I need to find a good background for my lapdock Pi..
[4:44] <Torikun_> i even ditched android for iphon5
[4:44] <Torikun_> lol]
[4:44] <Coburn> no
[4:44] <Coburn> as in R-Pi Mission Control
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[4:44] <Torikun_> explain Coburn
[4:44] <Torikun_> sounds interesting
[4:44] <Coburn> So I can control systems at parent's work while aboard
[4:45] <Coburn> "Coburn, printer not working!"
[4:45] <Coburn> *launches TightVNC thru tunnel and looks into the issue*
[4:45] <Torikun_> my pi servers as my ssh way into home
[4:45] <Torikun_> lol
[4:45] <Coburn> "Fixed"
[4:45] <skurk> Torikun_: sounds like you are pretty much the only one that has switched that way
[4:45] <Torikun_> lol
[4:45] <Torikun_> Coburn: excellent use. I do it all the time
[4:45] <Torikun_> ssh + vnc
[4:45] <Coburn> Torikun_: I said to myself one time
[4:45] <Coburn> After iPhone 3G
[4:45] <skurk> most of the switches you hear nowadays are iphone -> android
[4:45] <Coburn> I'll never go apple again.
[4:45] <Torikun_> y]
[4:45] <Torikun_> iphone 5 rocks
[4:45] <Torikun_> and is fast
[4:46] <Coburn> I've been using a lot of android things.
[4:46] <Torikun_> oh
[4:46] <Coburn> Then I brought my iphone 4.
[4:46] <Torikun_> 4 years of android made me wanna quit
[4:46] <skurk> I just can't se what iphone5 brought that the 4s didn't have?
[4:46] <skurk> except for that vibrator panorama app
[4:46] <Torikun_> metal chassis thinner faster
[4:46] <Coburn> lol virbator
[4:46] <Coburn> allows girls maximum pleasure
[4:46] * Coburn shot
[4:46] <skurk> cause apparently the vibration frequency in the iphone5 is sooo nice
[4:46] <Torikun_> lol
[4:46] * Torikun_ tests it
[4:47] <Torikun_> lol
[4:47] <UnaClocker> http://www.neonsquirt.com/lapdock2.jpg :)
[4:47] <Coburn> exotic domain name
[4:47] <Coburn> I found that iPhone 4 had attached itself to me. I'd try to go back to Android and my iphone 4 would be like "noooo, Coburn you use me"
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[4:47] <Torikun_> nice
[4:47] <Coburn> So now it's my daily driver.
[4:47] <Coburn> I find Android cool and all
[4:48] <Coburn> but things that annoy me the most are
[4:48] <Coburn> 1. apps that crash/hang the system
[4:48] <Coburn> 2. no push notifications
[4:48] <Coburn> 3. Google
[4:48] <Coburn> 4. High CPU usage + GUI usage = lag
[4:48] <Coburn> 5. Random derps.
[4:49] <Coburn> Number 1 is the worse.
[4:49] <Coburn> Oh, and did I mention I hate Java?
[4:49] <Zarek_> the main reason for hanging on android is dalvik uses /dev/random (which blocks when there's no entropy, of course)
[4:49] <skurk> Coburn: the reason you don't see the crashes on an iphone is cause apple wont display them :)
[4:49] <skurk> cause apparently crash boxes are not "user friendly"
[4:50] <Coburn> skurk: most of the time if an app crashes they just exit out
[4:50] <Coburn> I like that
[4:50] <skurk> iOS is getting old
[4:50] <Coburn> Some of them I see will say "Sorry, I derped. Please report me to my dev, I'm a bad app and I want a smack"
[4:50] <skurk> the hardware got a somewhat nice touch to it though
[4:50] <Coburn> Problem is
[4:51] <Coburn> apple needs to lift the screen umbrella
[4:51] <Coburn> sure, iP5 screen is nice
[4:51] <Coburn> but around 4" ? It's looking weird
[4:51] <Coburn> I know it's 16:9 res
[4:51] <Coburn> but imagine a 5" iPhone
[4:51] <Coburn> Or 4.7" one
[4:51] <UnaClocker> heh, people who don't use iOS like to say it's getting old.. Thing is, Apple doesn't change things for change's sake like Microsoft does.. It ain't broke, don't make it broke.
[4:52] <UnaClocker> I was really hoping Apple would one up them all with the iPhone 5, and make it 6"..
[4:52] <skurk> apple maps...
[4:52] <Coburn> are shit
[4:52] <UnaClocker> skurk: Fanboi.
[4:52] <skurk> can't even find the apple store using that
[4:52] <piney> Coburn, language
[4:52] <Coburn> sh....it
[4:53] <Coburn> sssssh it (ssh as in quiet)
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[4:53] <UnaClocker> Good grief..
[4:53] * ChanServ sets mode -o ShiftPlusOne
[4:53] <skurk> the macbooks are nice laptops, apples policy and legal cases are not
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[4:54] <skurk> and the Microsoft argument is moot, haven't touched windows in years
[4:54] <skurk> thing is, if you are an apple fanboi you are in no position to call microsoft the evil empire
[4:54] <skurk> cause fact is apple is so much more an empire
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[4:55] <UnaClocker> Apple's bigger than Exxon.. ;)
[4:55] <skurk> apple is like czechoslovakia in the 60s
[4:55] <skurk> total control
[4:55] <mdszy> I've stopped using Apple stuff, never going back.
[4:55] <mdszy> My only apple thing is my iPad, which I only occasionally use for school.
[4:56] <Essobi> I've decided, I'm not buying their phones anymore.
[4:56] <UnaClocker> It works for them. Last time I looked in the Android app store, half the top apps were virus scanners.. Total control would have prevented that problem.
[4:56] <Essobi> :D
[4:56] <skurk> I got a decent macbook for free, but I would never buy one
[4:56] <Essobi> Ditto
[4:56] <skurk> but since I got it and it beats my other laptop I might as well use it
[4:57] <UnaClocker> hehe, nah, seems like the better term would be "haterz".. Hating because it's the cool thing to do.
[4:57] <skurk> it's UNIX underneath that horrible UI after all
[4:58] <mdszy> I'd rather have control than be babysat by Apple who thinks they know what apps I should/shouldn't use.
[4:58] <mdszy> I'm not an idiot, I know not to install FREE PRONZ APP TOTES NOT VIRUS LOLZ
[4:59] <skurk> perhaps you're not
[4:59] <skurk> but lots of people are
[4:59] * ChanServ sets mode +o ShiftPlusOne
[4:59] * ShiftPlusOne sets mode -b *!*@you.dont.ownt-me.info
[4:59] <regorianer> mdszy: well, but not all people are like us ...
[4:59] * ChanServ sets mode -o ShiftPlusOne
[4:59] <mdszy> then those are the people the iPhone is meant for, I'm not one of those people.
[4:59] <regorianer> true
[5:00] <skurk> and it might just be the best for everyone involved that they keep strict control :)
[5:00] <regorianer> i dont own an iphone but a macbook 13" yes, but for other reasons
[5:00] <skurk> there should however be some button available that says "I know what I'm doing, let me loose!"
[5:00] <regorianer> :D
[5:00] <skurk> and then OSX magically transforms into an OS where you can cut and paste stuff
[5:00] <skurk> and such trivial features
[5:01] <regorianer> anyway ... anybody got a angstrom distro working on the raspberry here ?
[5:01] * mdszy opens terminal, uses `mv` command.
[5:01] <mdszy> Simple!
[5:01] <regorianer> i figured out that s5fs was doing so
[5:02] <skurk> after 3 weeks using almost exclusively OSX I got one thing to say about Finder... "what were they thinking?"
[5:02] <mdszy> and I'm off to bed now, goodnight all!
[5:03] <skurk> ??ngstr??m? :)
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[5:04] <regorianer> well i dont have these letters :D
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[5:05] <Coburn> Wow
[5:05] <Coburn> Moderation is quite strict here
[5:05] <ParkerR> Hm?
[5:05] <Coburn> also, you should know me, I'm a nice guy. Don't just kick for no reason, please let me know
[5:05] <skurk> yes, this is an ultra christian channel for children age 12 and below
[5:05] <Coburn> > [13:53:19] You have been kicked from #raspberrypi by ShiftPlusOne [~Shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone]: Coburn
[5:05] <Coburn> That's a crappy kick reason
[5:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Coburn, noted and sorry, I was too quick to ban, I agree.
[5:06] <ParkerR> What did he do?
[5:06] <ShiftPlusOne> ParkerR, scroll up.
[5:06] <Coburn> said bad word: s-h-*-t
[5:06] <Coburn> said*
[5:06] <Coburn> Thanks. Also, I was joking when I did the sssssssssh it part
[5:06] <home> Coburn: I know
[5:06] <skurk> bit to strict perhaps
[5:06] <home> Coburn: I am 5
[5:06] <home> stop swearin
[5:07] <Coburn> ...
[5:07] <Coburn> Aye.
[5:07] <skurk> if you use those words you will never pass purgatory :)
[5:07] <home> purgatory? wat dat?
[5:08] <skurk> it's where you go when you die as a christian
[5:08] <BaroMeter> something warm
[5:08] <skurk> or something like that
[5:09] <skurk> didn't read the rest of the story, tldr
[5:09] <Zarek_> pff, religion
[5:09] <Coburn> better up in the sky than down in the core of the earth
[5:09] <skurk> there is so called foul language everywhere today
[5:09] <Coburn> that's all I know
[5:10] <skurk> I don't think anyone's life will be ruined if they happen to read s**t here
[5:10] <BaroMeter> :-)
[5:10] <skurk> if it's used in an apparently offensive context is one thing
[5:10] * goad (~goad@ Quit (Quit: bye)
[5:11] <skurk> s/apparently/obvious
[5:11] <Eartaker> anyone using the Anker?? Mini Wireless Keyboardd with the pi?
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[5:13] <BaroMeter> That's a small one
[5:13] <Eartaker> yeah
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[5:13] <Eartaker> i was thinking about buying one but would like to know if will work with the pi
[5:14] <BaroMeter> Have seen videos on youtube, when people use it on Rasberry
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[5:14] <Eartaker> to youtube I go
[5:14] <Coburn> I've seen keyboards that have trackballs built into them
[5:14] <Coburn> it's a all in one keyboard
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[5:15] <BaroMeter> '
[5:15] <Coburn> Was thinking of getting one
[5:15] <BaroMeter> I use one of those
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[5:15] <Coburn> can I get a pic>
[5:15] <Eartaker> brougham: did you have to install any special drivers or was it PnP?
[5:16] <Coburn> drivers? Linux? what's a driver?
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[5:16] <Coburn> Is it something that someone is a role of in a car?
[5:16] <BaroMeter> http://www.kauppasatama.fi/tuotekuvat/TB-109/TB-109-01.jpg
[5:17] <Coburn> Ahhhh that BaroMeter
[5:17] <BaroMeter> It worked you of the box
[5:17] <Coburn> a nearby JayCar has something like that
[5:17] <ParkerR> I like my keyboard that I use for the Pi http://i2.minus.com/iqNuxGGHduWFB.JPG
[5:18] <BaroMeter> It's not the best one, on the market but it works
[5:18] <skurk> Deltaco makes lots of gadgets in transparent plastic, everyone know transparent plastic equals quality :)
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[5:19] <ParkerR> The number pad is also a touchpad
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[5:19] <Coburn> One thing I like
[5:19] <Coburn> is apple keyboard "chocolate squares"
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> ParkerR, what's up with the numpad? O_o
[5:20] <Coburn> you know, the keys are nice and big
[5:20] <ParkerR> ShiftPlusOne: "ParkerR | The number pad is also a touchpad"
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> ah right, reading.
[5:20] <ParkerR> :P
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> haven't seen that before
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[5:21] <ParkerR> Radioshack brand
[5:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Do you need to switch between the two modes?
[5:21] <BaroMeter> http://www.google.se/imgres?imgurl=http://www.zdnet.com/i/story/60/01/029181/boxee-box-remote-1024x662.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/boxee-remote-with-qwerty-keyboard-on-back-could-become-new-standard/29181&h=662&w=1024&sz=105&tbnid=NmxE2lMTS29ryM:&tbnh=76&tbnw=118&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dboxee%2Bremote%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=boxee+remote&usg=__bHZmCh7bIGw1qzo2tGbGYBx0UXI=&docid=ybcGAKwk6pmICM&hl=sv&sa=X&ei=L
[5:21] <BaroMeter> dn0UPy6CIfe4QTd9YDgDw&sqi=2&ved=0CC8Q9QEwAA&dur=143
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[5:21] <ShiftPlusOne> If the URL needs to be split up into two messages, you're doing it wrong.
[5:22] <BaroMeter> ohhmaar, sorry
[5:22] <UnaClocker> Google is a PITA to copy a link from..
[5:22] <ParkerR> Copy the image URL not the google one
[5:22] <ParkerR> "Full sized image"
[5:22] <ShiftPlusOne> http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/story/60/01/029181/boxee-box-remote-1024x662.jpg
[5:22] <BigShip> If I use this computer to ssh into my Pi, can I use this computer's keyboard as the Pi's keyboard?
[5:23] <ShiftPlusOne> BigShip, what do you intend to do exactly?
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[5:24] <BigShip> My USB keyboard is acting up, and I don't have another keyboard that I can use with the Pi... so I was hoping to be able to use my laptop's keyboard to act as a keyboard for my Pi through ssh. Not sure if its possible though
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[5:25] <ParkerR> Synergy maybe
[5:25] <aDroPi> SSH will allow you to type using Putty on your laptop
[5:25] <aDroPi> Windows on the Laptop?
[5:25] <BigShip> nope, chromium :/
[5:25] <BaroMeter> it's a remote command shell, SSH that it
[5:25] <BaroMeter> *is
[5:25] <ParkerR> BigShip: Chrome OS?
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[5:25] <BigShip> ParkerR: yes
[5:25] <ParkerR> Ahh
[5:25] <ParkerR> Then it's Chrome :P
[5:25] <ParkerR> Not Chromium
[5:25] <ParkerR> Not the same thing
[5:25] <ShiftPlusOne> For your terminal needs, ssh is obviously enough... if you need to control a proper X gui, then synergy.
[5:26] <BigShip> ah sorry, people tend to call it both ways
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[5:26] <BigShip> ShiftPlusOne: dang. Was hoping I could like, send the keyboard strokes though ssh :/
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[5:46] <aDro> I was wondering... I don't think you can do it that way without using a third party tool
[5:46] <aDro> You might have to write it yourself
[5:49] <BigShip> I gave up, im just gonna wait till I get a new keyboard
[5:49] <aDro> Why do you need keystrokes?
[5:49] <ShiftPlusOne> I've seen some netcat voodoo to pass keyboard events, but couldn't get it to work myself
[5:50] <BigShip> no usb keyboard, and I wanted to play gameboy games on my pi
[5:50] <aDro> Remote Desktop?
[5:50] <ParkerR> Wouldn't be fast enough
[5:50] <ParkerR> And the emulator doesn't run in X
[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> You coud... play the gameboy games on the PC you're sshing to your pi from... O_o
[5:51] <aDro> O_o
[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> *could
[5:51] <jph_> now that's just too logical
[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> jph_, sorry =(
[5:52] <jph_> no harm no foul
[5:52] <skurk> BigShip: get a USB gamepad with a decent dpad
[5:52] <ShiftPlusOne> You could give network usb redirection a go.
[5:52] <jph_> look into synergy like parker mentioned
[5:52] <jph_> it's network KVM... but i'm not sure if it's just X
[5:52] <ParkerR> jph_: That would be only for X
[5:52] <jph_> ahh
[5:52] <ParkerR> I think it is unfortunately
[5:53] <ParkerR> I could be wrong
[5:53] <BigShip> it'd be from my chromebook so I can't really use anything else but crosh
[5:53] <BigShip> i just gave up for now and booted up my desktop
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[5:55] <ShiftPlusOne> How are chromebooks anyway? Can you install a proper linux distro?
[5:55] <Zarek_> yep, you can
[5:55] <Zarek_> they're not that bad. the samsung ARM one is nice
[5:56] <BigShip> yeah. I've got the first one that came out after the CR-48. I'd love to try the newest one
[5:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Zarek_, accelerated X and all the good stuff?
[5:56] <jph_> you'd need an arm-based distro
[5:56] <aDro> What can I use this for?
[5:56] <aDro> https://www.adafruit.com/products/954
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[5:57] <jph_> adro: i think you can use that to access cmd line when no network connectivity is available
[5:58] <Zarek_> ShiftPlusOne, afaik, yeah
[5:58] <ShiftPlusOne> aDro, handy thing that. You can display all the boot messages over serial. You can dump the bootcode that lives on the chip, you can log in like ssh but without the network (just through serial, obviously) and so on.
[5:58] <Coburn> If only Samsung would do acceleration for Mali400 on Linux
[5:59] <aDro> Interesting
[5:59] <aDro> Too deep
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[6:05] <ahhughes> hey, I would like to know if I can use the raspberry pi as a bluetooth audio receiver? (via a usb dongle in the pi I guess).
[6:05] <jph_> ahhughes: where would you output it to?
[6:06] <jph_> (once received)
[6:06] <ahhughes> stereo. maybe hdmi out.
[6:07] <jph_> interesting
[6:08] <jph_> well i seem to recall seeing airplay-type projects with the rpi
[6:08] <ahhughes> yeah.. NEWS http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3026 :)
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[6:25] <turtleJP> anyone have an recommendations for a more light weight terminal than LXterminal?
[6:27] <ShiftPlusOne> urxvt-unicode or whatever it's called
[6:27] <ShiftPlusOne> or even xterm
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[6:28] <ParkerR> Wow, my TV's USB port provides enough power for the Pi, a wireless adapter, and a receiver for keyboard and mouse
[6:29] <turtleJP> very nice
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[6:31] <turtleJP> Thank you ShiftPlusOne xtem seems to be what I was looking for
[6:34] <ShiftPlusOne> np
[6:35] * KeatonT waves
[6:35] <turtleJP> now if I could only find a modern browser with the speed of Dillo
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[6:36] <ShiftPlusOne> tried uzbl? (a bit of a learning curve)
[6:37] <turtleJP> learning curves I can deal with no problem :-)
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[6:43] <jph_> just tried explaining the awesomeness of rpi to some interns here.. they dont ge tit
[6:45] <turtleJP> you were not kidding about the learning curve
[6:45] <BigShip> I started telling my roommate about it. He's an electical engineer. I give him 24 hours before he purchases it (once he sees it)
[6:46] <jph_> i'm oping to grab some this afternoon
[6:47] <jph_> bloody element14 wouldn't sell to a consumer ... have to go through some dodgy local mob
[6:48] <Coburn> ( ???????)
[6:48] <turtleJP> I grabbed it so I could experiment with some things my kids could use scratch and python and some hardware tomfoolery, ended up on my desk being used as a desktop
[6:48] <BigShip> element 14 sent it to me
[6:49] <BigShip> I think it registered me as a business.
[6:49] <turtleJP> sole proprietor
[6:51] <BigShip> ah
[6:51] <jph_> in this instance for convenience sake i might just visit the distributor
[6:52] <jph_> but it was a little annoying going through the rigamarole to checkout and then notified by email that i need to go elsewhere
[6:53] <turtleJP> Yes, I can understand how that would be annoying.
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[6:53] <jph_> especialy when the local guy has an email@hisisp.com
[6:53] <jph_> somedistributor@aol.com equivalent
[6:53] <jph_> and no online store/etc
[6:56] <turtleJP> lol
[6:57] <Coburn> jph_: where are you located
[6:57] <turtleJP> robspishop2k13@yahoo.con
[6:57] <Coburn> > yahoo
[6:57] <Coburn> please
[6:57] * Coburn dies
[7:00] <turtleJP> Coburn it was there for the humor factor
[7:00] <Coburn> lol
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[7:02] <ParkerR> Hmm having some weird behavior.
[7:03] <ParkerR> One of my SD cards my Pi reads just fine every boot and works. Another will be solid green light on power on for about 8 time out of 10 but works occasiaionally
[7:03] <ParkerR> *times
[7:03] <ParkerR> The iffy card is a 16gb class 10
[7:04] <turtleJP> the one that works is a 2 gb class 4?
[7:04] <turtleJP> that would be my luck
[7:04] <ParkerR> Just find it weird that sometimes it boots just fine and others just refuses
[7:04] <ParkerR> turtleJP: 8gb class 4 I think
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[7:06] <turtleJP> I saw a link somewhere of card compatibility
[7:07] * turtleJP goes down the rabbit hole that is internet search
[7:08] <turtleJP> elinux.org/RPI_SD_cards
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[7:10] <ParkerR> turtleJP: Thanks for the http:// :P
[7:11] <ParkerR> Umm says nothing there http://elinux.org/RPI_SD_cards
[7:11] <ParkerR> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[7:11] <turtleJP> odd I am looking at the site right now
[7:11] <ParkerR> Ohh
[7:11] <ParkerR> You capitalized the I
[7:11] <turtleJP> sorry about that
[7:12] <turtleJP> thats what I get for typing in the URL instead of the copy and paste
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[7:22] <ParkerR> Hexxeh: :D love the new rpi-update script. Nice to know kinda where it is at in the upgrade.
[7:23] <Eartaker> s that different than the apt-get upgrade?
[7:23] <Eartaker> is
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[7:28] <ParkerR> Eartaker: Yes
[7:29] <ParkerR> It is for updating the firmware
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[7:29] <dr_willis> Hmm. If transfering data from a USB HD - to a 2nd USB HD - better to have the HDS each on the same hub, or have each using one of the Pi's USB ports (each port has its own HUB)
[7:30] <ParkerR> Either way
[7:30] <ParkerR> Should still transfer fine
[7:30] <dr_willis> Seeing quiet a range of transfer speeds right now.. about 8MB/s tops. seen lows of like 1.3 MB/s
[7:30] <dr_willis> the way the pi has like everything on the USB bus made me wonder if it mattered either way
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[7:31] <Triffid_Hunter> dr_willis: on a full size computer I'd strongly recommend using different ports. when two block devices are on the same hub they have to share bandwidth. no idea how the pi is set up in terms of usb
[7:32] <dr_willis> both HDS on the same HUb woul dbe worse case then
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[7:34] <dr_willis> was having issues yesterday with 3 USB HDs (all external powered) i unplugged everything and pluged them one after another with about a 1min pause.. I think booting them allup at the same time was causing some confusion
[7:35] <Coburn> R-Pi is derptastic with USB
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[7:37] <Coburn> USB Lan is the biggest offender
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[7:38] <dr_willis> yep. Usinng wired nic right now with it.
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[7:54] <Eartaker> think this will work with the pi? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005C6CVAE/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&psc=1&s=electronics
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[8:17] <dr_willis> i alwys check the reviews to see how well stuff works with ubuntu or other linux disrtos.
[8:18] <Torikun> I need some ideas on what to use my 3 pi's for .... just a webserver and dns and email now
[8:18] <Torikun> and load balance.
[8:18] <Torikun> any ideas for a serveR?
[8:19] <Longhorn> network IPS could be a possibility
[8:19] <Torikun> IPS?
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[8:19] <Longhorn> intrusion prevention system???or it should be that haha
[8:20] <Coburn> Intrustion Prevention.... ninja'd
[8:20] <Torikun> oh
[8:20] <Coburn> beat me to it, Longhorn
[8:20] <Eartaker> use the GPIO
[8:20] <Longhorn> haha
[8:20] <Torikun> security scans lan?
[8:20] <Coburn> don't over work it or you'll melt it
[8:20] <Longhorn> yeah well your firewall should have something similar
[8:21] <Longhorn> yeah i would keep one just to mux around on with GPIO and stuff
[8:21] <Torikun> I have 3 in a mini cluster , underutilized
[8:21] <Longhorn> i just have one and ill prob mess with GPIO then possibly get another to do something else
[8:22] <dr_willis> Just using one as a ZNC and UPNP server
[8:22] <Torikun> What is znc
[8:22] <Coburn> bouncer
[8:22] <Coburn> like this one I'm using right now
[8:22] <Torikun> bounder?
[8:22] <Coburn> irc bouncer*
[8:23] <Torikun> what is an irc bounder
[8:23] <Coburn> It keeps you connected while you are offline
[8:23] <Coburn> think of it like a inbox
[8:23] <Torikun> oh i use screen and irssi
[8:23] <Torikun> how is it diff
[8:23] <Coburn> Well, it's basically like a IRC proxy
[8:23] <Coburn> when you d/c, the proxy stores your messages
[8:23] <Coburn> when you reconnect, it replays the bufer
[8:23] <Coburn> also, R-Pi = Not good for high-traffic server
[8:24] <Coburn> USB Lan is the major curprit. If that wasn't the case, I'd give it a shot for a webserver
[8:24] <Torikun> i have 2 nodes and 1 load balancer
[8:24] <Torikun> so it runs the webserver fune
[8:25] <steve_rox> damnn its gone cold in the uk
[8:25] <steve_rox> makes me wish my pi had a temp sencor
[8:25] <Torikun> what irc bounder you use Coburn
[8:25] <Torikun> znc?
[8:26] <Coburn> ZNC
[8:26] <Torikun> can you chat on the web interface?
[8:27] <Coburn> No, web interface is configuration only
[8:27] <Torikun> any php irc clients lol
[8:27] <Torikun> that keep your connectio n24/7
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[8:37] <Triffid_Hunter> I'm using znc
[8:38] * booyaa uses ircrelay
[8:38] <Triffid_Hunter> difference between this and screen+irssi is I can use any client I like, can even have multiple clients logged into the one session on the bouncer
[8:38] <booyaa> mind you i'm happy to pay someone to run services for me
[8:38] <booyaa> it's all possible with oss
[8:38] <Torikun> so whwere does your client connect to Triffid_Hunter
[8:38] <Torikun> your bouncer?
[8:39] <Triffid_Hunter> Torikun: yes
[8:39] <Torikun> ah this sounds good
[8:39] <Torikun> I will try it now
[8:39] <booyaa> yeah works really nicely for mobile irc clients
[8:39] <Triffid_Hunter> Torikun: fwiw, kvirc is a lovely graphical irc client
[8:39] <Torikun> and android?
[8:39] <Zarek_> AndChat is the best Android client
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[8:40] <Triffid_Hunter> heh I've used screen+irssi on android, it's a huge pain due to how the soft keyboards are set up
[8:40] <Zarek_> i use HexChat and weechat on my desktop/laptop respectively, and AndChat on my two phones to connect to my ZNC bouncer
[8:41] <Torikun> should I load global module partyline?
[8:42] <Zarek_> nah, no point
[8:42] <booyaa> i've got limechat as my gui, irssi via screen for my terminal and colloquoy for iphone
[8:42] <booyaa> using irssi to log mostly
[8:43] <booyaa> does anyone use no-ip here?
[8:43] <booyaa> i'm trying to decide which ddns client to install on my pi
[8:43] <Coburn> no-ip doesn't have arm client
[8:43] <booyaa> ddclient seems to be good, but looking for testamonials
[8:43] <Coburn> only x86 and 64
[8:44] <booyaa> will switch to any other ddns not locked into noip
[8:44] <Zarek_> i'd use ClouDNS.net and a cronjob to update it
[8:45] <Torikun> ok got web interface loaded
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[8:47] <booyaa> Zarek_: what's the cli you've got in the cron? curl?
[8:47] <Torikun> ok
[8:47] <Torikun> how do I start it now
[8:47] <Torikun> I configured a user
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[8:53] <dr_willis> sudo service servicename start [ Perhaps?
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[8:53] <Zarek_> booyaa, yep.
[8:54] <Torikun> the client says connetion refused
[8:54] <Torikun> I connect to 6667?
[8:54] <Zarek_> Torikun, just type `znc`
[8:54] <Zarek_> and it'll start
[8:54] <dr_willis> we doin znc of dyndns?
[8:55] <Torikun> ZNC is already r[ !! ] on this config. ]
[8:55] <Zarek_> booyaa's doing ddns, Torikun is doing znc
[8:55] <Torikun> i made the config already
[8:55] <Torikun> how do I make my IRC client connect to it
[8:55] <Zarek_> oh it'll probably be started already then
[8:55] <Zarek_> just connect to whatever port number you specified in the znc config
[8:55] <dr_willis> I run znc as my user.
[8:56] <Torikun> ah 1025
[8:56] <Torikun> I thought it be 6667
[8:56] <Torikun> lol
[8:56] <Torikun> says connected
[8:56] <Torikun> now what lol
[8:57] <dr_willis> Time to read the znc docs? ;)
[8:57] <xzr> :p
[8:57] <Zarek_> ^^
[8:57] <Zarek_> i have no idea how 'complete' your config is - whether you have networks set up already or whatever.
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[8:57] <Torikun> i did
[8:58] <Zarek_> in your client, type /msg *status connect
[8:58] <Torikun> 23:58 <rusher> Torikunconnect
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[8:59] <Torikun> rusher> Connection failed: SSL problem (possibly the server doesn't support SSL or uses a bad certificate)
[8:59] <Torikun> irc.freenode.net is the server right
[9:02] <Zarek_> yeah
[9:02] <Torikun> wtf that mean
[9:02] <Torikun> lol
[9:02] <Zarek_> try setting the server to "chat.freenode.net +7070"
[9:02] <Torikun> ok
[9:04] <Torikun> same ssl error
[9:04] <Zarek_> o_o
[9:04] <Torikun> trying irc.ubuntu.com
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[9:05] <Torikun> nope
[9:05] <dr_willis> you need to either enable ssl on freenode and the client. or disable it. ;)
[9:06] <Torikun> lol
[9:06] <Torikun> enable sasl module on zen?
[9:06] <Zarek_> just to confirm it is znc giving the ssl error, right, not your client?
[9:06] <Torikun> yes
[9:06] <dr_willis> id disable all ssl then on znc
[9:07] <Torikun> it is
[9:07] <Zarek_> can you screenshot the server page on the znc web interface
[9:07] <dr_willis> I dont even use the web interface. ;)
[9:07] <dr_willis> You did restart the znc server>
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[9:08] <Zarek_> because i have ssl working to connect to freenode on my znc instance (http://puu.sh/1NZgu)
[9:08] <Torikun> i started it one
[9:09] <Torikun> ah
[9:11] <booyaa> heh now i remember why i pay for my bouncer ;)
[9:11] <Torikun> I changed config to SSL = true
[9:11] <Torikun> and restarted it
[9:11] <Torikun> but webinterface does not show true
[9:11] <skope> does anyone use bouncers nowadays?
[9:12] <Zarek_> oh, right. you don't want to set znc's ssl there
[9:12] <jph_> just picked up two pi's... yippee
[9:12] <skope> aren't they 2001ish
[9:12] <Zarek_> that means you'd be connecting to the bouncer with ssl rather than the bouncer connecting to the irc server with ssl
[9:12] <Zarek_> skope, lolno
[9:12] <jph_> i use mosh, tmux and irssi
[9:12] <skope> jph_: seconded
[9:13] <Torikun> oh
[9:13] <Zarek_> skope, jph_: i used to do the same (though with weechat, heh) but the advantages of being able to use a native client, especially on mobile devices, outweighs the annoyance that a bouncer has
[9:13] <Torikun> how to enable ssl
[9:13] <Zarek_> Torikun, turn SSL off in ZNC config, and restart it
[9:13] <jph_> i am still considering whether to use znc... because xchat would be nice
[9:14] <Zarek_> then in your IRC client, connect to the bouncer, and make sure ssl is disabled
[9:14] <skope> Zarek_: there is ssh client for every platform. and mosh client for android at least
[9:14] <Torikun> ok
[9:14] <jph_> bounce would work well for mobile clients
[9:14] <Torikun> ah it was checked
[9:14] <Zarek_> skope, yeah, i didn't mean that, i meant that using irssi on a tiny touchscreen when you have a soft-keyboard too is annoying
[9:14] <Torikun> works now ty
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[9:14] <jph_> i just looked at connectbot quickly... it works but doesn't look perfect
[9:15] <booyaa> Zarek_: +1
[9:15] <skope> Zarek_: haven't bothered me. but whatever floats everyones boat
[9:15] <skope> jph_: irssi connectbot fork for mosh too
[9:15] <Zarek_> my phone is *horrible* with it's touchscreen's size - so the native irc client is a huge bonus
[9:15] <booyaa> re: bouncers - i don't need full scroll back when i'm not and about, but it's nice to know if someone's tried to get hold of me.
[9:16] * booyaa has his irc logs via irssi anyhoo so i can read the whole transcript later on
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[9:16] <Zarek_> yeah i don't store full scrollback
[9:16] <skope> i have only lastlog
[9:17] <skope> dunno how many lines it is by default in irssi
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[9:17] <Torikun> it works1
[9:17] <Torikun> thanks!
[9:17] <xzr> skope: /set scrollback
[9:18] <skope> 500 lines apparently
[9:18] <skope> or one day
[9:19] <Zarek_> Torikun, you'll probably want to enable the `nickserv` module, too, and then type "/msg *nickserv set <your nickserv pass>" so it auto-identifies you
[9:19] <Torikun> it did
[9:19] <Torikun> that is how I was able to join this room
[9:19] <Zarek_> ...i totally forgot this room was +r
[9:19] <Zarek_> nvm
[9:21] <booyaa> and with a slight of hand
[9:21] <booyaa> im now on my iphone
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[9:21] <booyaa> lol
[9:21] <booyaa> <3 bouncers
[9:22] <Torikun> anyone using znc on arch
[9:25] <Zarek_> yep (albeit x86 arch :P)
[9:27] <dr_willis> several of us are.
[9:28] <dr_willis> but im on rasbian ;P
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[9:49] <Torikun> yo
[9:50] <Torikun> ok znc simply rules
[9:50] <Zarek_> ^_^
[9:51] <Torikun> another good use for my pi
[9:51] <Torikun> lol
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[9:51] <xzr> I've always liked irssi a lot better than bouncers
[9:52] <Torikun> I have irssi connect to my bounder
[9:52] <xzr> uh
[9:52] <xzr> what's the benefit of that
[9:52] <Zarek_> native mobile IRC clients ;)
[9:52] <Amadiro> you can have irssi running locally
[9:52] <Zarek_> irssi + touchscreen == bad
[9:52] <skope> i dont get what's so bad about it
[9:53] <skope> i have samsung galaxy s2 and nexus 7 and they both run irssi connectbot
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[9:53] <Zarek_> small touchscreen + input method not designed to input ctrl-key sequences
[9:53] <Torikun> I will never loose my irc connection with a bouncer
[9:53] <Torikun> makes it simple for all your devices
[9:54] <Torikun> switch back and foourth
[9:54] <Zarek_> i've always had trouble with irssi connectbot, and it doesn't seem to like my private keys
[9:54] <skope> Torikun: and screen+irssi in remote server doesn't?
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[9:54] <skope> Zarek_: i have ctrl-button at the top of my screen
[9:54] <xzr> I've got my faithful N900
[9:54] <Torikun> I can use any native IRC app this way skope
[9:54] <xzr> best phone for irc
[9:54] <xzr> :P
[9:54] <Torikun> on any device
[9:55] <skope> xzr: i have n900 too. it rocked
[9:55] <skope> and still do
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[9:55] <xzr> if I could just get whatsapp on it, it would be perfect
[9:55] <skope> xzr: isn't there a port?
[9:55] <Torikun> i tend to switch devices a lot and I hate reconnecting all the time
[9:56] <Torikun> I know people hate seeing those messages lol
[9:56] <skope> i switch too
[9:56] <Torikun> with znc, nobody will notice
[9:56] <xzr> skope: last I checked only for n9
[9:56] <skope> between phone, desktop, laptop and tablet
[9:56] <skope> xzr: weird
[9:56] <xzr> well the platform is kind of dead
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[9:57] <skope> xzr: true. imho it's sad. it was very promising but then bam! maemo discontinued
[9:57] <xzr> yea blame elop
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[9:57] <xzr> :P
[9:58] <xzr> well, Jolla is resuming the development
[9:58] <skope> damn microsoft mole
[9:58] <xzr> but the maemo on n900 will stay outdated
[9:58] <skope> yes, but how they manage to kick in
[9:58] <xzr> aye I'm not too hopeful, but thumbs up for them in any case
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[9:59] <skope> they just shut down factory in salo. nokia i mean
[9:59] <skope> and switched to WP. smart move
[9:59] <xzr> yeah they're kicking people out everywhere in Finland
[9:59] <xzr> but it's kinda good
[9:59] <xzr> the good engineers from nokia move on to another growing companies
[10:00] <xzr> and help them grow
[10:00] <skope> im ashamed of being finnish because how nokia has messed up
[10:00] <xzr> instead of staying in that old monolith
[10:00] <skope> it was good mobile phone provider back in a days
[10:00] <xzr> yea, they just completely dropped the ball when smartphones started breaking out
[10:00] <Lexip> ^ :(
[10:00] <xzr> symbian was doing quite good though
[10:01] <xzr> when compared to how utter bullcrap the platform was
[10:01] <skope> and when elop came up
[10:01] <xzr> I took a symbian programming course, killed my enthusiasm for programming
[10:01] <xzr> :D
[10:01] <skope> haha
[10:01] <skope> i've never touched symbian
[10:01] <xzr> luckily it's dying out
[10:02] <skope> i had few symbian s60 phones, but never developed anything to them
[10:02] <xzr> I made a pingpong game
[10:02] <xzr> :P
[10:02] <skope> best practice
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[10:03] <skope> webgui almost done to playing files with omxplayer. just have to figure out how to extract current position from it
[10:03] <skope> or backend done, have to code some crappy frontend
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[10:06] <gordonDrogon> what Ho!
[10:06] <Torikun> nice
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[10:07] <skope> i thought of releasing it in git when it's done
[10:07] <skope> didn't find existing one
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[10:17] <Triffid_Hunter> hey all, what's the recommended way to have X start automatically after boot? I know heaps of different ways to do it, just wondering if one is preferred
[10:18] <skope> use dwm or similar
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[10:18] <skope> or just put exec to .xinit
[10:19] <skope> Triffid_Hunter: what wm are you using
[10:20] <Triffid_Hunter> skope: looks like lxde
[10:20] <Triffid_Hunter> running recent raspbian on it atm
[10:20] <booyaa> morning gordonDrogon
[10:20] <skope> doesn't basic raspbian boot straight to wm by default?
[10:20] <skope> iirc mine did
[10:21] <Triffid_Hunter> skope: leaves me at a terminal login then suggests running startx when I log in
[10:21] <booyaa> Triffid_Hunter: run the config app
[10:21] <booyaa> will setup rpi to start deKtop on boot
[10:22] <skope> or put exec startx to .bash_profile if you want it via terminal login
[10:22] <booyaa> i suspect the config app change the definit runlevel
[10:22] <booyaa> to 5 or sumfink its veen too long
[10:23] <jph_> you dont want startx in your bash_profile... each time you ssh in it'll start
[10:24] <skope> [[ -z $DISPLAY && $XDG_VTNR -eq 1 ]] && exec startx
[10:24] <xzr> http://pastie.org/5687285
[10:24] <jph_> clever cloggs
[10:24] <xzr> woops
[10:24] <skope> xzr: he's apparently trying to ping you out of the irc
[10:25] <xzr> sorry banged my mouse2 while moving stuff around my desk
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[10:25] <gordonDrogon> Triffid_Hunter, sudo apt-get install xdm
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[10:26] <skope> dm:s are damn heavy
[10:26] <skope> i wouldn't use them
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> *shrug* easy and safe way to do it though.
[10:26] <Triffid_Hunter> skope: slim isn't bad, use it on my old-ish laptop
[10:27] <Amadiro> you can just have getty as the login manager (as normal) and then run startx automatically on login, I guess
[10:27] <skope> Amadiro: yes, that's what i do
[10:27] <Amadiro> or do the login automatically if you don't want the password prompt
[10:28] <skope> i have openbox standalone in my laptop and it boots to getty
[10:28] <skope> and then starts x after login
[10:28] <skope> smooth, fast and light
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> I use xdm on my laptop and have it boot directly into X. Can't be bothered logging in...
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> Ah, I lie it's gdm.
[10:29] <booyaa> i was surprised at how slow vnc compared to composite video
[10:29] <skope> gdm is even worse
[10:29] <booyaa> only found out when j was setup nephew's pi
[10:29] <Amadiro> on one of my systems I have "x:5:once:/bin/su - -- amadiro -l -c '/usr/bin/startx </dev/null > /dev/null 2>&1'" in my /etc/inittab, that'll get me directly to X.
[10:30] <skope> gordonDrogon: you can automate the login anyway
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> skope, probably, but it lives in swap once the laptop's booted.
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[10:30] <skope> i dont see the point of using dm
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> lazy... been doing it that way for 20+ years..
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[10:31] <Amadiro> the point is that you get a graphical login-screen that will request a username and password
[10:31] <skope> i started with debian back in 02 and wanted to learn the hard way
[10:31] <Amadiro> what part of that is confusing...?
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[10:32] <skope> Amadiro: i thought we're talking about rpi. i don't see the point of wasting valuable system resources of something you don't necessarily need
[10:32] <skope> to something*
[10:32] <Amadiro> well, whether you need it or not is a subjective matter, I guess...
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> ask 100 engineers, get 101 answers...
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> And I suppose *DM's have had their day. We no-longer have X terminals talking back to "big" servers, so needing a DM to select which server you login to, and so on.
[10:35] <skope> i don't see anything subjective about it. you can do the same without dm. if getting graphical login screen is the only reason of getting a dm, it's stupid to be honest
[10:35] <Amadiro> and what's stupid and not is subjective
[10:35] <Amadiro> so there you have your answer :)
[10:35] <skope> only subjective thing is wanting to do something the easy way or the harder way.
[10:36] <Amadiro> not really
[10:36] <Amadiro> the easiest of the two is certainly to not use a DM
[10:36] <Amadiro> since you just don't have to do anything
[10:36] <Amadiro> but installing a DM is not exactly hard either
[10:36] <Amadiro> its like a single line of bash -- everything is done for you
[10:36] <skope> but automating without dm is harder
[10:37] <skope> automating boot process i mean
[10:37] <Amadiro> you mean the login process?
[10:37] <skope> yes, login process
[10:37] <skope> lack of sleep is kicking in
[10:37] <Amadiro> I wouldn't know how to do it in either case without looking it up
[10:37] <Amadiro> but its just a matter of 5 minutes googling
[10:38] <skope> yeah, and installing dm is easier, just apt-get pacman yum whatever
[10:38] <Amadiro> you still have to configure it for auto-login
[10:38] <Amadiro> how you do that depends on the dm
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> easy? the trouble is, when you've been doin it one way for 20+ years, then that becomes the easy way and anything else is hard.
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> so for me, install a dm - easy, job done and it "just works".
[10:39] <skope> i see your point
[10:39] <skope> maybe i'm just puritanist and perfectionist about these cases
[10:39] <booyaa> path of least resistance
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> maybe you've come in 10 year after me and aren't as lazy...
[10:40] <skope> i've been working so long with crappy hardware that i had to configure everything as light as possible
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> try working on a 4MB Sun3 in 1990...
[10:40] <skope> and i spend countless hours of perfecting something almost trivial
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> (if you want crappy hardware, but it was state of the art at the time!)
[10:41] <skope> gordonDrogon: i would want to actually
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> my comparison, a Pi is a supercomputer...
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> the downside is that programs have changed, bloated, etc. I see no change in "usability" on the Pi now to what I was doing on those Suns 20+ years ago, however we have colour, faster graphics, "the web", and unix commands that bloated - find . -name \*.txt | fgrep ... No, just use grep as we bloated it and added a recursive follower into it )-: (etc).
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> Bah, get off my lawn, etc.
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> The first unix machine I used has 256KB of RAM.
[10:44] <skope> you're right that nowadays there is so much bloat
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> kids of today.... (calling the 4 yorkshire men of the apocalypse!)
[10:45] <skope> but they're making *nixes easier to approach by it
[10:45] <skope> which is a good and a bad thing
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> Hm. work to do elsewhere. back laters...
[10:45] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, 256KiB is a lot depending on what you do
[10:45] <Amadiro> I still sometimes use MCUs with 512 bytes or less
[10:45] <Amadiro> 256KiB would be ultra-highend in MCU-land
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[11:07] <gordonDrogon> sure. I do a lot of microcontroller programming myself.
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> but to run Unix in 256KB ...
[11:09] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Did it swap much? :)
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[11:11] <gordonDrogon> Xark, it had a 1.5MB fixed disk with a small swap partition. We used to put 4-5 students (inc. myself!) on it doing editing, text formatting and C & pascal compiling. It probably swapped occasionally.
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[11:11] <gordonDrogon> Xark, ah, no, it was a 3MB fixed disk with 1.5MB removables - 14" platters.
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> This was c1980.
[11:12] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Hehe, right on. I remember "nice wars" when we had like four or so programmers on a smallish Unix machine (I feel sorry for the receptionist trying to use the database).:)
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> A pdp11/40... it had a printing console and 4 or 5 "glass ttys"...
[11:13] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Classic.
[11:13] <nid0> oh for the days when people actually had to not be lazy and coded within the confines of a sensible memory limit
[11:13] <Xark> IIRC, I was on an obscure Zilog Zeus Z-8000 machine...
[11:13] * nid0 shakes his fist at wordpress sites which can gobble through many gigabytes of ram
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[11:14] <gordonDrogon> I suspect people just use what they start with - for me other than 110 baud dialup it was an Apple II - with 48KB of RAM, but drop into assembler and we had those magical 200 bytes on page 3 which were easilly free...
[11:14] <Xark> nid0: It is amazing how easily the MB get "flushed away" these days.
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[11:15] <gordonDrogon> also sad that there does seem to be the attitude that if you throw more cpu & memory at a problem it will go away...
[11:15] <nid0> no kidding, frankly any developer who comes out with any script system which can churn through 100MB of memory just to display a web page of text to a user should be shot and burned.
[11:15] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yeah, crappy BASIC was a good incentive to dig deeper and make the machine "do magic". :)
[11:16] * Xark covers his mouth...sorry (forgot what channel)
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> indeed. ah well... nostalgia aint what it used to be :)
[11:16] <Triffid_Hunter> amazing what's possible with a tiny amount of space.. see kkrieger for example, the 100kb 3d shooter
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> Hey, I have this BASIC interpreter for the Pi ...
[11:17] <Xark> gongoputch: Nostalgia 2.0. :)
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> and this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg has a mere 256 bytes of RAM in it ...
[11:18] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Hmm, I think I have heard tale of these. Educational trainer?
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> Xark, not really - Sinclairs first hobby compute - the MK14. the first for home users under ?50 IIRC.
[11:20] <Xark> Ahh. Neat.
[11:20] <BaroMeter> so do any of U code in C ?
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> Ah, ?39.99.
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> I code in C.
[11:21] <neilr> I do, sometimes.
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> almost everything I do is in C. Except when it's BASIC or PHP or something else (very rare now though)
[11:21] <BaroMeter> witch do u use, the C99 or the older ones
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> it's hard to not use c99 now.
[11:21] <neilr> I prefer BASIC though. It's still a good language. Particularly on RISC OS.
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> neilr, https://projects.drogon.net/return-to-basic/ runs under Linux on the Pi :)
[11:22] <BaroMeter> neilr, how is RiscOS by the way
[11:22] <neilr> Yup! I saw that. Need to get it installed on my other PI :)
[11:22] <neilr> I like RISC OS - it's fast, simple, and stable.
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[11:23] <neilr> It's not for everybody though - for example, there's no wifi support
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[11:26] <gordonDrogon> I did use RICS OS a long time ago when I had an early Arc, and did consinder giving it ago on the Pi. Might still, but who knows.
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> I did wonder at one point if the Foundation might jump ship to it, but I guess they won't until it has Python support....
[11:27] <neilr> gordonDrogon: Give it a go. I'd be interested to hear from a Proper Programmer how they get on with it :)
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> neilr, is there a version of vim for it?
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[11:27] <neilr> Not that I know of. I use StrongEd for editing source, but others are available.
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> I was looking some of the forums for it though. think it's a bit dated now - *fx commands - remembering numbers - I think that was OK inthe 32K BBC Micro days, but not conviced now. (says someone still using xdm because he used it 20 years ago!)
[11:28] <neilr> gcc runs OK, but so far, the package is stuck at 4.1.something, which is bad.
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[11:29] <gordonDrogon> yea, that is an older version.
[11:30] <neilr> I know that 4.7 will run, but needs to be compiled. And as the only platform I have for compiling is the pi, I think by the time it finishes the compile we'll be up to 6.3 or so.
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> I gave my old Arc away in the end. The only thing I used it for was to play Lemmings...
[11:31] <Jck_true> neilr: Not correct... It will crash at version 6.2 as it runs out of ram and you gotta star tall over :)
[11:31] <neilr> RISC OS does have a good history of being a nice platform for games :)
[11:31] <jph_> im tempted to try plan9 out
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[11:43] <fidel_> hi, i am running raspbian on my modle b raspberry. considerung installing a wiki on it - any small wiki-software in mind which you might recommend (and which might not entirely eat my system-resources)?
[11:43] <neilr> dokuwiki - I run it on Raspbian, it works well.
[11:44] <fidel_> and has the advantage that is is available via apt...good point
[11:44] <fidel_> any other recommendations?
[11:44] <Zarek_> +1 for dokuwiki
[11:44] <neilr> not from me - I only use dokuwiki
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> I've only ever used mediawiki in the past... need the full LAMP stack to work..
[11:45] <fidel_> ok thanks - gonna start with dokuwiki then
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[11:45] <gordonDrogon> (I've not used it on a Pi though)
[11:45] <fidel_> i know mediawiki and it felt resourcehungry overall
[11:45] <neilr> For information, I use dokuwiki with lighttpd
[11:46] <fidel_> ok - thanks for the feedback guys.
[11:46] <Amadiro> We used dokuwiki for a programming project a while back, and I really disliked it -- although it might've gotten better by now
[11:46] <Amadiro> when we decided to switch to mediawiki later, there was also no exporter or so that would work at the time, so we had to time-consumingly c&p all articles over and fix up formatting and such, AFAIR
[11:47] <Amadiro> but yeah, that was at least 5 years ago or so
[11:47] <neilr> it's got a lot better since then
[11:48] <neilr> I've been using it for maybe three or four years, and it's constantly improving
[11:49] <skope> which one is lighter nowadays, nginx or lighttpd?
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[11:49] <skope> ive been using nginx for a while
[11:49] <fidel_> while exporting and importing from 1 wiki to another is always an ugly task
[11:49] <Gr33n3gg> nginx for the most part
[11:50] <fidel_> i've seen that between several wiki-projects i used in the past :/
[11:50] <Gr33n3gg> but I've run lighttpd on 300mhz boxes no problem
[11:50] <skope> i run nginx in pi
[11:51] <skope> nginx+php-fpm
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[11:51] <skope> and nginx works router for nodejs
[11:51] <skope> proxy*
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[11:54] <Jck_true> fidel_: Uhm there's also "Sputnik" written in lua and "self contained" so to say - only remember test driving it years ago
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[12:06] <DooMMasteR> a selfmade powermeter: http://stratum0.mooo.com:1178/
[12:06] <DooMMasteR> based on a 50??? electric meter an ATmega and a RaspberryPi
[12:06] <wachpwnski> Anyone here run Xbian on their Pi?
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[12:10] <gordonDrogon> DooMMasteR, graphs are boring. we want pictures of the actual setup.
[12:10] <DooMMasteR> gordonDrogon: wait???
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[12:12] <gordonDrogon> this one doesn't need an Arduino: http://www.ramge.de/powermonitor/doku.php
[12:12] <DooMMasteR> gordonDrogon: it does for our "application"
[12:13] <DooMMasteR> gordonDrogon: we have an 800imp/kWh counter
[12:14] <DooMMasteR> and its intervalls are read via the ATmegas interrupcapture feature
[12:14] <DooMMasteR> to 4us of precision
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[12:14] <DooMMasteR> which allows for a quite high resolution
[12:14] <DooMMasteR> and makes even the smallest changes visible
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> not sure that sampling power at less than one cycle of resolution (50Hz) is meaningful though...
[12:17] <DooMMasteR> why not? the power flows on 3 phases and thusly all the time
[12:18] <DooMMasteR> gordonDrogon: https://plus.google.com/110074557516559184630/posts/LyL5nHuJoEM
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[12:21] <DooMMasteR> the powermeter has an internal 120kHz bandwidth per phase???
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> ok, 3 phase...
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> I just assumed it was a single phase domestic setup - which is what it looks like in those photos..
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[12:24] <gordonDrogon> or is the arduino somewhere else?
[12:24] <DooMMasteR> in Germany 99% of the housholds have a 3phase connection
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> really? wow.
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[12:24] <Zarek_> I see Pinkie Pie. I am happy.
[12:25] <DooMMasteR> the 3wire single phase setup is very very uncommon here as we have no local transformer stations
[12:25] <wachpwnski> What is a touch screen I can use with my raspberry pi?
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> in UK 0% of houses have a 3 phase connection.
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> not 0
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> but close
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> actually, there is the odd exception - I know a house locally who have a 3 phase water pump fitted... They needed the road dug up and some serious work to get it installed...
[12:26] <DooMMasteR> wachpwnski: what size?
[12:26] <neilr> A friend of mine had to have 3-phase run into his shed for his lathe.
[12:26] <neilr> It's a big lathe.
[12:27] <DooMMasteR> and wachpwnski for what application?
[12:27] <wachpwnski> Maybe like 5"7" ?
[12:27] * gordonDrogon nods. The odd exception...
[12:27] <DooMMasteR> if you need the GPU on it the choice is a bit hard??? because it needs HDMI???
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> there are stand-alone touchscreens that work with the Pi - butthey're not general purpose video outs...
[12:28] <DooMMasteR> gordonDrogon: what do they need a 3phase water pump for o.O
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[12:28] <DooMMasteR> MI0283QT??? is for example an SPI driven screen
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> DooMMasteR, they have an intersting underground cave full of water which they use as a bank for heat recovery.
[12:29] <DooMMasteR> ahh ok???
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> there's these sorts of displays that I'm working with at present: https://projects.drogon.net/4d-systems-intelligent-displays-and-the-raspberry-pi/
[12:29] <DooMMasteR> our house has a 2*3*128A 480V connection to the grid???
[12:30] <wachpwnski> DooMMasteR: Are there any US retailers for that?
[12:30] <DooMMasteR> wachpwnski: I am EU based
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> DooMMasteR, that does seem rather excessive, but if it's the nomal in Germany then I guess everyone is used to it.
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[12:31] <gordonDrogon> DooMMasteR, most UK houses are limited to 60A single phase (can be 100A on request)
[12:31] <DooMMasteR> I dunno why the connection to our house is redundant or so huge??? but 3phases is quite common
[12:32] <DooMMasteR> you also see a lot more red rotary current CEE sockets around here???
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> nod just asked my brother - who lives over there. weird systems...
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> much more killing potential too - if you touch over 2 phases ...
[12:35] <steve_rox> fun
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> cookers typically wired with three phase, the rest of the house wired "star" rather than "ring" which is the UK standard. so it's possible to have 2 different phases in the same room, or certianly adjacent rooms..
[12:36] <zilog> are ring mains still the standard in the UK? thought it was an old fashioned thing
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> still very much a standard.
[12:37] <DooMMasteR> gordonDrogon: not really??? where in a household do you have 2 phases accessible at the same time?
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[12:37] <zilog> you see rings a lot in older houses here in ireland but i think new installations are radial circuits
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> DooMMasteR, it depends where they run the wires to I guess. if the electricial used one phase for the living room and another phase for the bedroom, and a third for the kitchen...
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> here they tend to do it on a whole house basis, so one house on the first phase, the next one on the next, and so no.
[12:39] <DooMMasteR> the kitchen often uses 3phases??? nealy all ovens want all 3 phases??? to be satisfied with their around 10-15kW power needs
[12:39] <DooMMasteR> you can see it in the graph ??? that the water heater e.g. easyli pulls around 17kW
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> big appliances - specifically cookers and water heaters are wired radially with separate breakers.
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> (in the UK)
[12:40] <DooMMasteR> which would require a quite strong neutral line if it was not a 3phase setup
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> 4mm T&E is typical.
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[12:40] <DooMMasteR> the same??? here
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[12:40] <DooMMasteR> but I have rarely seen any 24kW water heaters in the UK
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[12:42] <DooMMasteR> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/c/cb/20120927114046%21SichVert.JPG a typical conenction box here in germany
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[12:42] <steve_rox> i dont know anyone in uk that can afford to run elecric water heaters :-P
[12:43] <steve_rox> etc
[12:43] <nid0> I switched our immersion heater on once!
[12:43] <nid0> but fwiw the 2 different apartments I lived it before moving here both used electric water heaters
[12:44] <nid0> 175l tank that would heat overnight, on an economy 7 meter
[12:44] <steve_rox> freezin in this bloody room i dont feel like trying to fix pc
[12:44] <DooMMasteR> 90% of the installations here are TN-C-S-System
[12:45] <DooMMasteR> in the UK the common system was TN-C
[12:46] <DooMMasteR> and nowadays new lines are setup as TN-S
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[12:47] <DooMMasteR> I think in the UK you call what we commonly do protective multiple earthing
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> most UK water tank heaters are only 3KW.
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> some showers go up to 15KW though.
[12:48] <steve_rox> program pi to heat the house please
[12:49] <steve_rox> only way i see that working is if you use a pi to hack the gas meter somehow to freeze it :-P
[12:49] <steve_rox> so it technically did heat the house
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, yea.... that would be nice....
[12:50] <steve_rox> :D haha
[12:50] <DooMMasteR> the most important feature for safety are false current interruptors???
[12:50] <steve_rox> "rpi heating a nation"
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[12:50] <gordonDrogon> 3 watts at a time...
[12:50] <DooMMasteR> lol
[12:50] <steve_rox> hah
[12:50] <steve_rox> :-D
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[12:51] <DooMMasteR> "Most modern homes in Europe have a TN-C-S earthing system. The combined neutral and earth occurs between the nearest transformer substation and the service cut out (the fuse before the meter). After this, separate earth and neutral cores are used in all the internal wiring. "
[12:52] <DooMMasteR> "Older urban and suburban homes in the UK tend to have TN-S supplies, with the earth connection delivered through the lead sheath of the underground lead-and-paper cable."
[12:52] <DooMMasteR> "Older homes in Norway uses the IT system while newer homes use TN-C-S."
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[12:52] <DooMMasteR> so they all gradually change to our old way to do it :P
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[12:56] <steve_rox> think ill just find my petrol powered hand warmer that may do it
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[12:57] <gordonDrogon> it's not that cold in Devon - yet.
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> I've only lit the fire once this season too: http://unicorn.drogon.net/officeFire.jpg (photo taken last year!)
[12:58] <DooMMasteR> hmm
[12:59] <DooMMasteR> ourt domestic heating gets updated this year :)
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[12:59] <DooMMasteR> from Gas central heating + Electrin water warming too a modern combined all gas setup :)
[12:59] <neilr> Chilly in my shed today :/
[12:59] <steve_rox> yay i managed to light it
[13:00] <DooMMasteR> until now we had a central heating station ~20kW and a seperate 27kW electric water heater -.-
[13:00] <steve_rox> supposed to have been -4 'c here last night
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[13:00] <neilr> http://www.ronketti.org.uk/temp.html
[13:00] <DooMMasteR> steve_rox: you have reached the level: caveman
[13:00] <steve_rox> hahaha
[13:01] <neilr> -2 here
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[13:01] <DooMMasteR> -3??C atm
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> http://www.dartcom.co.uk/weather/index.php
[13:01] <steve_rox> how bad is ambient room temp?
[13:01] <DooMMasteR> -8.4??C this night -.-
[13:01] <neilr> You're in Germany, right?
[13:02] <DooMMasteR> yeah
[13:02] <neilr> I spend a fair bit of time in Dortmund. Always in winter...
[13:02] <neilr> (I think my boss likes to see me suffer)
[13:02] <steve_rox> if only i knew how to give the pi a temp sensor :-P
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[13:02] <DooMMasteR> neilr: lol :P
[13:03] <neilr> steve_rox - Dallas DS18B20, either to the GPIO pins, or using a DS9490R USB interface
[13:03] <DooMMasteR> steve_rox: AD22103
[13:03] <steve_rox> i have exp with soldering etc and can follow instuctions ,its just the codeing bit that has me screwed
[13:03] <DooMMasteR> neilr: hmm DS18B20 with 3.3V???hmm right
[13:03] <neilr> It's in the kernel
[13:03] <DooMMasteR> they can do it
[13:03] <DooMMasteR> jepp???
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> can't be bothered logging weather.
[13:04] <DooMMasteR> http://blog.turningdigital.com/2012/09/raspberry-pi-ds18b20-temperature-sensor-rrdtool/
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> it's currently 18C in my office and 10C outside.
[13:04] <neilr> There's a reason I have this setup...
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> coffee time..
[13:04] <steve_rox> i was expecting you to say ya temp was colder than mine
[13:04] <neilr> Originally it was to monitor the temperature of the UUNet office chocolate vending machine
[13:05] <steve_rox> when i woke it was like 15-16'c in here
[13:05] <neilr> as it broke down, and was a long way to walk to find out
[13:05] <neilr> so I wanted to monitor the temperature from my desk. A bit like the Trojan Room Coffee Pot.
[13:05] <steve_rox> something like that
[13:06] <steve_rox> i have a pc cpu monitor hanging out of my dead pc
[13:06] <steve_rox> so it reads ambient now
[13:06] <DooMMasteR> http://webshed.org/wiki/RaspberryPI_DS1820 also easy
[13:06] <DooMMasteR> and you can use multiple sensors on the same pin
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[13:07] <frikinz> 18 degres for an office. wow o_O mine is at 24 :)
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[13:08] <steve_rox> i have a old central heating control unit here that has a internal temp monitor and a serial cable interface
[13:08] <steve_rox> runs on 12v
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[13:09] <steve_rox> thinking maybe i can interface the pi with it if i ever learn enough
[13:09] <DooMMasteR> hmm DS18B20 are cheap precise and easy to use???
[13:10] <steve_rox> probly wont cost 12v eather heh
[13:12] <neilr> Even cheaper when you write to Dallas/Maxim and ask for some as samples for a project - they send them out free of charge :)
[13:13] <steve_rox> they cant be too expensive?
[13:13] <DooMMasteR> ~1???
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[13:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> how long can the wire be - can you make it run 5 or six in series to meaure the whole house etc
[13:14] <neilr> http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/370655848525?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&cbt=y
[13:14] <neilr> RaTTuS|BIG: yes - you can daisy chain them
[13:15] <neilr> I'm not sure of the practical cable length though
[13:15] <neilr> I think that depends whether you use them in parasitic power mode or not
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[13:16] <DooMMasteR> RaTTuS|BIG: yes I would recommend using a 5V line driver in such a case
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[13:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> kk
[13:17] <DooMMasteR> length ~20-40m are no problem with an active line driver??? simple pullup will do fine for ~10m
[13:18] <DooMMasteR> active drivers can also be daisychained for longer / high capacity wires
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[13:22] <Pitel_IPEX> Any idea why Samsong charger which according to label should handle 700 mA can power the Pi with USB wifi dongle, but HTC charger and one noname charger which says they both should hnadle 1 A can not and Pi keeps rebooting/crashing?
[13:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> lenght of teh USB lead or thickness of teh wires in said
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[13:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> damn my typing
[13:23] <moritz_89> Pi needs 1,5 mA i guess
[13:24] <moritz_89> sry 1,5 A
[13:24] <Jck_true> Pitel_IPEX: Get an old school multimeter and measure between TP1 and TP2
[13:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> the samsung can probably handle more than teh htc ,.,,
[13:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm I need more coffee,,,,,
[13:25] <Jck_true> I thought the cables to be my biggest problem - All the adapters rated 1000mA worked - When I had a quality cable...
[13:25] <moritz_89> RaTTuS|BIG: me too xD
[13:25] <steve_rox> not sure how a multimeter gets old :-P
[13:26] <Jck_true> steve_rox: Well - I've had people ask me if there wasn't some shell command they could run....
[13:27] <steve_rox> im lost
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[13:28] <steve_rox> ppl still adding stuff to the pi store i see
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[13:29] <fidel_> steve_rox: why lost?
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[13:33] <steve_rox> still cant get warm enough ,maybe i should set room on fire
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[13:38] <aDro> steve_rox: get 400 Raspberry Pis and get them all to kee you warm
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, go out to the local cafe & work there for a bit :)
[13:42] <steve_rox> imback
[13:42] <steve_rox> laptop crashed again
[13:42] <steve_rox> i tollrate too much hardware failure
[13:43] <nid0> maybe you're one of these people who just breaks computers
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[13:50] <Davespice> my Mum is like that, she has some kind of strange magnetic field
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[13:50] <aDro> Live under power lines?
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[13:50] <wachpwnski> anyone run the plex app on their rpi?
[13:51] <wachpwnski> Like to stream from the server, not to act as the server?
[13:51] <Davespice> actually they live on a farm down in Cornwall, I only see them a few times a year actually, no power lines though :)
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[13:55] <paraita> hi
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, so they have FTTC/FTTP internet and no power. Nice :)
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[13:58] <Davespice> they do have ADSL... but its slow :)
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[14:02] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, shouldn't be - BT flooded Cornwall with FTTC - much to the dissapointment of us living in Devon )_:
[14:04] <Davespice> its definetly adsl that they have, they're about a mile away from everything in all directions, the only services are electricity and telepgraph poles
[14:04] <Davespice> gas is via bottles and they have their own well
[14:04] <nid0> BT flooded my town with fttc, but not the cabinet connecting my line :(
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[14:05] <nid0> neighbours like 50 yards away got fttc enabled about 2 months ago
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[14:05] <Davespice> fibre to the c?
[14:05] <nid0> cabinet
[14:06] <Davespice> ah yeah
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> bottls gas & a well (& septic tank) is not that unusual, but they must really be out of the way to not be able to get FTTC now. I know several folks in Cornwall who appear to be in the middle of nowhere who have stupidly high broadband speeds )-:
[14:06] <Davespice> so yeah they may well have that but then it may have to transit over copper lines to get to the farm
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> that's what fttc is. supports up to 80Mb/sec over that copper.
[14:07] <Davespice> oh is it?
[14:07] <nid0> will still give them blazingly fast connections, because that small bit of copper is short
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> yup.
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[14:07] <Davespice> oh I see... not sure where their cabinet is, might be up in Whitecross or Crowlas
[14:07] <nid0> there are some people that are long long ways from their cabinets on fttc
[14:07] <nid0> who have to put up and make do with a mere 20 or 40 mbit
[14:08] <nid0> instead of the full 80
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[14:08] <Davespice> right o, not sure what they have now, I think it's about 2 or something
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, go here: https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/main.html and enter their phone number to check what's what.
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[14:09] <gordonDrogon> I'm fed overhead from a pole fed from a cabinet about 50m away.
[14:09] <Davespice> WBC FTTC Up to 25.3 down, 5 up
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> but my town isn't on any plans BT have for rollout )-:
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, there you go then.
[14:10] <nid0> the bummer for me is my estate is served by 2 cabinets, one of which BT has upgraded to fttc and the other they havent
[14:10] <nid0> i'm connected to the one that hasnt been, despite being physically closer by quite a way to the one that has :(
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> I think I was lucky to get 2+ and that was probably only because talktalk installed LLU kit in the exchange...
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[14:11] <gordonDrogon> (I don't use TT, but BT upgraded their kit a few months later)
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[14:12] <Budd> My Pi surprisingly stopped booting as I was messing with wireless config (and I think an apt-get upgrade).
[14:13] <Budd> It now gets to the "starting rsyslogd" line,then stalls forever - no login primpt.
[14:13] <Budd> It pings on the network (IPv4 and v6), but sshd apparently is not started.
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[14:15] <jph_> bleh... my first pi and it wont go past red pwr light
[14:16] <jph_> and i forgot the second at the office
[14:16] <Weaselweb> Budd: ro filesystem due to errors?
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[14:26] <Budd> Nothing that shows upon the console,and fsck on another machine says it's clean.
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[14:27] <aDroPi> ?
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[14:35] <gordonDrogon> Hm. todays lunch is pretending to be vanilla.
[14:36] <skope> reveal it's true identity
[14:36] <skope> in front of everyone
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> hard to tell what is is really.
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> it's a powdered thing you mix with water to make a sort of un-milk shake ...
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[14:45] <gordonDrogon> very un-milk as it's lactose free.
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> Good job my tea has milk in it.
[14:46] <BaroMeter> so it's tea time 4 you then :-)
[14:47] <BaroMeter> gordonDrogon, RiscOS...performance wise, is it faster than Debian's rasberry dist
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[14:48] <Jck_true> BaroMeter: It's an entirely differnt OS - Please define "faster"?
[14:49] <Hodapp> I've found RISC OS faster in terms of general operation
[14:49] <BaroMeter> Jck_true, just asking, I have newer seen it in action
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[14:49] <Hodapp> but it's not going to magically make the same code run faster
[14:49] <Hodapp> just download it and try it.
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[14:51] <BaroMeter> Hodapp, have to wait, my pi runs as XBMC media center at the moment, don't know if I want to reinstall. Hmmm, maybe dual boot
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[14:52] <Jck_true> Just get an extra SD card - Saves you from the headache
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> BaroMeter, I've not used RISC OS, so I've no first-hand ideas.
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> It certianly shouldn't be slower and may be faster depending on how it handles interrupts.
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> also, it's not multi user and the multi-tasking is co-operative (AIUI), so that might give it some advantage.
[14:54] <dwatkins> RISC OS runs blindingly fast compared to my BBC Micro ;)
[14:54] <TAFB> can omxplayer only play FILES, not a h264 network stream?
[14:54] <dwatkins> [on the Pi]
[14:55] <djazz> TAFB: sure, what kind of files?
[14:55] <BaroMeter> gordonDrogon, it's RiscOS or Arch the :-) maybe I'll try them both
[14:55] <TAFB> i don't need it to play a file, I need it to play a stream from my h246 network camera ;)
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> Arch is just another Linux...
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[14:57] <BaroMeter> It is
[14:57] <djazz> TAFB: ah yes, it streams nicely
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> in terms od support, there's probably a billion times "more" for Raspbian (as it's really Debian) than the other 2, but....
[14:57] <djazz> omxplayer http://...
[14:57] <TAFB> djazz: sweet, thanks :) i'll give er a go
[14:58] * djazz just got A2DP audio working on my pi with pulseaudio! just pair and connect from phone/laptop etc, pi acts as a bluetooth audio sink (recieve), on archlinuxarm
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[14:58] <megaproxy> TAFB, i have a new project
[14:58] <TAFB> details...
[14:58] <megaproxy> a notifier
[14:58] <TAFB> of/when?
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[14:58] <megaproxy> gpio pin somehow makes a police light spin
[14:59] <megaproxy> when servers go down
[14:59] <megaproxy> or when we get a tweet
[14:59] <megaproxy> or something
[14:59] <TAFB> my Pi sends me a text message when it's CPU usage stays over 75% for more then 60 seconds, or if it gets low on memory :)
[14:59] <TAFB> rofl :)
[14:59] <mjr> "Halp!"
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[15:00] <megaproxy> also... who could write me a driver?
[15:00] <megaproxy> for a scrolling wall board...
[15:00] <TAFB> It says "Pi CPU exceed 75% Hog: %processname%" :)
[15:00] <megaproxy> thats quite cool haha
[15:01] <megaproxy> the wall board: http://imgur.com/a/bFHxQ#0
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> megaproxy, aren't most of those boards pre-programmed via serial?
[15:01] <megaproxy> no idea
[15:01] <megaproxy> its from a old PBX
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[15:02] <gordonDrogon> H.m where can I get one ...
[15:02] <megaproxy> i got mine from last job
[15:02] <megaproxy> they were throwing it out
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> must start looking for some of the surplus office junk sales...
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> it has a 9-pin socket on it - very likely serial. I guess it was in a call centre to indicate the number of waiting calls... or somehing.
[15:04] <megaproxy> yea
[15:04] <megaproxy> think there is anyway to make it say what i want it to say?
[15:04] <megaproxy> p sure id need some new drivers of some kind
[15:05] <megaproxy> cant find anything on google with the s/n
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[15:09] <Laban> Hello
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[15:09] <IT_Sean> ahoy
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[15:10] <Laban> For running a pie as media system in the car... Is there a big chance of it draining the battery if it's left always on? I'm thinking of it as audio system only, no gui.
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[15:10] <Laban> I guess... How many watt hours can a decent car battery provide? :)
[15:10] <dwatkins> My Pi takes 3 Watts.
[15:10] <nid0> yes, it will flatten your car's battery
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[15:10] <IT_Sean> Laban: probably best to set the SD card to read only, and have the Pi switch off when you turn off the engine
[15:10] <nid0> given time
[15:11] <TAFB> Laban: you could run the new "A" pi, draws 100ma :)
[15:11] <Triffid_Hunter> Laban: car battery is usually maybe 500Wh or so, so assuming 5w, 4 days and your battery is completely kaput
[15:11] <Triffid_Hunter> Laban: if you drain a car battery below about 60% it has a permanent reduction in capacity
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> megaproxy, I suspect it was part & parcel of the PXB system - designed just for call centres...
[15:11] * dwatkins wonders if a solar charger could be used in conjunction with a car battery in a standalone unit (i.e. not in a car, just battery, solar panel and Pi)
[15:11] <Laban> TAFB: That's a consideration.
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> megaproxy, what I'd do is open it further to see how the cpu inside talks to the LEds then build a new one...
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[15:12] <TAFB> Laban: throw this in your back window, will keep ish topped up nice: http://imageshack.us/a/img708/8146/img4167eg.jpg
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[15:12] <Triffid_Hunter> Laban: so I'd budget 36 hours max.. I think your best idea would be to hook ignition into one of the GPIO with suitable protection, then shut down properly when ignition disappears
[15:12] <nid0> dwatkins: it can, but its got to be a reasonable size solar charger
[15:12] <mjr> dwatkins, sure. But you do need a pretty large panel. (As well as accompanying charging electronics etc.)
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[15:12] <megaproxy> there should be some pics of the inside
[15:12] <dwatkins> nid0: thanks, I have been meaning to look into this
[15:12] <megaproxy> http://imgur.com/a/bFHxQ#4
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> megaproxy, just the cpu board - doesn't really give a clue how it talks to the LEDs.
[15:12] <dwatkins> yeah, I think Adafruit or Sparkfun do a charge circuit for a LiPoly, mjr
[15:13] <megaproxy> i wouldnt know where to start with making a new one :(
[15:13] <Laban> But the battery charges as I drive, and it's only really at stand still during longer vaccations or weekends.
[15:13] <megaproxy> i should just get a usb wall board haha
[15:14] <Triffid_Hunter> Laban: yep, but still I wouldn't want to have to run my car every day for fear of the battery running down..
[15:14] <nid0> literally reaching 24/7/365 via solar will need a beefy battery and panel, but if you need something thatll just manage a few days weeks, a solargorilla+powergorilla will power a pi for a pretty long time
[15:14] <Laban> true
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[15:15] <Triffid_Hunter> Laban: also, why do you want it to stay on when you're not using the car?
[15:15] <TAFB> nid0: I'm going to try and run my Pi 24/7/35 on that solar panel I posted (4.4amps max out at 5v). It'll have 27,200mah of batteries, not sure if it'll be able to do it :)
[15:15] <Laban> Triffid_Hunter: I guess I would need something more ingenious to have it boot/halt as the car is started/stopped.
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[15:15] <mjr> also apparently it's possible to reduce pi power consumption slightly by swapping in a switching 3.3v regulator (or removing the linear regulator and providing switched 3.3v in through the gpio pins usually used for 3.3v output), which might be relevant if you're trying to run it off solar
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[15:16] <megaproxy> i have some high mah batteries for my vaporizer
[15:16] <Laban> Triffid_Hunter: More of an alternative to quick power on. But if I can tweak the boot enough it should not be a problem.
[15:16] <megaproxy> i never vape, so i should use them for my pi :D
[15:16] <TAFB> megaproxy: best batteries (in 18650): http://www.ebay.ca/itm/10pcs-Panasonic-3-6V-3400mAh-NCR18650B-18650-Li-ion-Battery-Made-In-JAPAN-New-/221175245553?pt=US_Rechargeable_Batteries&hash=item337f126af1
[15:16] <megaproxy> well they are rather large
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> You can boot a Pi into an application in 5-6 seconds.
[15:16] <megaproxy> mine are aa sized
[15:17] <TAFB> ahhhh.
[15:17] <megaproxy> i think they are 2600mAh
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[15:17] <TAFB> in AA sized? impossible :)
[15:17] <megaproxy> nev0r
[15:18] <TAFB> best AA sized batteries you can get are 840mah ;)
[15:18] <megaproxy> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lot-of-24-AA-2900mAh-High-Ture-Capacity-Tested-NiMH-Rechargeable-Batteries-Bulk-/290782023037?pt=US_Rechargeable_Batteries&hash=item43b3f58d7d&_uhb=1
[15:18] <TAFB> lol
[15:18] <TAFB> i was talking LiIon :)
[15:18] <megaproxy> ah
[15:18] <megaproxy> ive no idea of the difference
[15:18] <megaproxy> all i know is they last forever
[15:18] <TAFB> Li-Ion = 4.2v, NiMh = 1.2v :)
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> I have some NiMH AA's which are 2600mAh I think.
[15:19] <megaproxy> i think i have some of the style you linked for a torch i have
[15:19] <megaproxy> they have a funny name
[15:19] <megaproxy> like firewire..
[15:19] <megaproxy> but obv not that..
[15:19] <TAFB> anything with "fire" in the name are garbage, nowhere close to stated capacity ;)
[15:19] <megaproxy> trustfire?
[15:19] <TAFB> "trusefire, ultrafire"
[15:19] <TAFB> etc.
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> Ah no. just checked 2500.
[15:20] <megaproxy> yea, but its that size right?>
[15:20] <megaproxy> whats the offical name of that size.
[15:20] <TAFB> 14500 = AA battery size
[15:20] <TAFB> trustfire, ultrafire, etc. make them, yep.
[15:20] <TAFB> they list as 900mah but are about 130mah on average :(
[15:20] <megaproxy> http://dx.com/p/uniquefire-18650-3-7v-2500mah-lithium-batteries-2-battery-pack-29030
[15:21] <TAFB> those are 18650 "big" size, and actual capacity of those will be around 1200mah (you can see "2500mah" is in quotes! lol)
[15:21] <nid0> the description even says
[15:21] <megaproxy> lol
[15:21] <nid0> Product print '2500mAh', the exact capacity is 1800mAh
[15:21] <megaproxy> i wouldnt get batterys from dx
[15:21] <megaproxy> i get other things, like cheap torches
[15:21] <megaproxy> that last a year then die
[15:21] <TAFB> best 18650's are the ones I linked, Panasonic 3400mah, they test out to over 3400mah all the time.
[15:21] <megaproxy> http://dx.com/p/trustfire-protected-18650-3-7v-true-2400mah-rechargeable-lithium-batteries-2-pack-20392
[15:21] <megaproxy> these are genuin apparently
[15:22] <TAFB> yep, but over 1000mah short of the panasonics ;)
[15:22] <megaproxy> indeed
[15:22] <megaproxy> quite a bit cheaper tho :P
[15:22] <TAFB> haha
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> if in the UK, this chap gets good ratings for 18650's: http://www.torchythebatteryboy.com/
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> lots of good information about them too.
[15:23] <TAFB> ^^^ doesn't look like he's tested the panasonic 3400's :)
[15:23] <megaproxy> http://www.torchythebatteryboy.com/p/dangers-of-ultrafire-18650-batteries.html
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[15:24] <TAFB> megaproxy: I've seen that happen with all different brands of batteries and chargers
[15:24] <TAFB> if you asbuse the batteries, bad things happen
[15:24] <megaproxy> yea
[15:24] <megaproxy> it happened to one of mine a while ago
[15:24] <megaproxy> the batt had a dent in it
[15:24] <megaproxy> i was like, whatevs
[15:24] <megaproxy> left it a while and it popped
[15:24] <IT_Sean> :o
[15:24] <TAFB> my friend gt hydrofloric acid poisioning from his flashlight exploding, was in the hospital for 6 months :(
[15:24] <megaproxy> :O
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> I know someone who suffered 3rd degree burns when the batteries in his LiPo heated waistcoat got a bit hot...
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> he was 6m underwater at the time.... His drysuit had flooded slightly and let salt water over the unit...
[15:27] <IT_Sean> eek
[15:27] <xzr> ouch
[15:27] <xzr> not a nice situation to be in
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> he cut his decompression short by a bit too, so we treated him for both burning and potential DCI.
[15:27] <IT_Sean> EEK!
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> fortunately he was ok as we were a good few miles offshore...
[15:28] <xzr> need some balls of steel to follow normal decompression procedure while there's an inferno going inside your drysuit
[15:28] <xzr> :D
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> at the end of a 125m dive too.
[15:29] <IT_Sean> Ahhhh! I was trying to work out how he could possibly short-cut a deco for a 6m dive. :p
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[15:29] <gordonDrogon> he'd already been in for 3.5 hours..
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> glad I was boat crew that day...
[15:29] <IT_Sean> 3.5 hours at 125m? That's some hairy chested plums of steel diving there.
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[15:30] <gordonDrogon> Yea...
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> only 20-25 mins on the bottom.
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> the rest is deco )-:
[15:30] <IT_Sean> yerf.
[15:30] <IT_Sean> no thanks.
[15:31] <KamikazeKnutter> has anyone tried compiling Chromium (Chrome browser) for raspberry pi / arm on Ubuntu 12.10? Am pulling my hair out with these errors
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> I know a bunch who did some 45 minutes at 125m a few years ago - 5.5hours in the water in total.
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> KamikazeKnutter, there is a ready built image online...
[15:31] * IT_Sean 'll keep it in the clear blue world of recreational diving, thanksmuch.
[15:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> the bath is deep enough for me
[15:32] <KamikazeKnutter> gordonDrogon, yeah but I want to build it myself
[15:32] <KamikazeKnutter> rather, I need to.
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> KamikazeKnutter, ok - good luck!
[15:32] <KamikazeKnutter> I'll need it :)
[15:32] <IT_Sean> RaTTuS|BIG: I'll go deeper than bathtub depth, but, i try to keep above 100ft or thereabouts
[15:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[15:34] <IT_Sean> the deepest my dive computer has ever recorded is 112ft.
[15:34] <IT_Sean> any deeper and the no-deco time is too short to bother.
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> Hm. hexxeh appears to have removed the chromium build...
[15:38] <Hexxeh> only the links, moved to a new blog, didn't want to import my old posts
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> I used to do silly deep diving. wrote loads of deco software at one point too.
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> a-ha..
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> I just clicked on the link in your old forum post..
[15:39] <IT_Sean> in who's old forum post?
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh's
[15:39] <IT_Sean> ah
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[15:41] <osfameron> afternoon
[15:41] <IT_Sean> morning
[15:41] <osfameron> is there a good write up of the hardware ecosystem around Raspi?
[15:41] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, so is there a link to the old chromium binary you made still?
[15:41] <eggy> 'lo Hexxeh (:
[15:41] <osfameron> e.g. extension boards, boxes, etc.?
[15:41] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: yeah let me find a direct link, sec
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> ta.
[15:42] <Hexxeh> http://distribution-us.hexxeh.net/chromium-rpi/install.sh
[15:42] <nid0> nice
[15:42] <eggy> you ported crhomeos to the pi?
[15:42] <eggy> fun
[15:42] <nid0> plusnet is looking to start putting their customers behind nat
[15:42] <Hexxeh> eggy: not quite
[15:43] <Hexxeh> well, not with hw accel
[15:43] <Hexxeh> and sw rendering blows in terms of speed
[15:43] <eggy> ah, ok
[15:43] <Hexxeh> so i never bothered releasing binaries.
[15:43] <eggy> yeah -- I bet
[15:43] <Hexxeh> the underlying stuff works though, autoupdate etc
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[15:43] <gordonDrogon> nid0, yea, saw that earlier. why they can't make the same effort into ipv6 is beyond me ...
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[15:44] <eggy> runs on top of debian?
[15:44] <eggy> Hexxeh^
[15:44] <Hexxeh> yeah it's just chromium compiled for debian that link
[15:44] <eggy> ah, ok
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[15:48] <gordonDrogon> and there is it. and I'm running in in vnc too. neato.
[15:52] <steve_rox> fun?
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[15:53] <gordonDrogon> it appears to be... :)
[15:53] <steve_rox> gonna switch the cpu out on that dead pc now just to see what happens
[15:53] <steve_rox> think i may have one that fits
[15:56] <IT_Sean> if it doesn't, just wedge it in. :p
[15:57] <steve_rox> one search later and it says scew you its not compatible
[15:57] <IT_Sean> :(
[15:58] <steve_rox> its a am2 and board only supports 3
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[16:00] <steve_rox> translates to i have to switch out the entire motherbaord
[16:00] <Davespice> cool, kidsrubsy is out for the Pi folks: http://www.kidsruby.com/download
[16:00] <Davespice> logo turtle graphics here I come =)
[16:03] <steve_rox> lucky the pi can display pdf just about
[16:03] <steve_rox> cos ive got nothing else that reads pdf
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, Hehe... RTB supports turtle though ;-)
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[16:04] <Davespice> is that the basic app you sent me once?
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb1.png
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> very probably.
[16:04] <Davespice> ah yes, I've used that too
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> I did think about implementing proper logo though...
[16:05] <spillere> im having trouble setting up my RP. I turn it ON, it works for few seconds then stop working, I managed to ssh into it, but then it stop working right away http://cl.ly/image/0h3Q1q0c2N47
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> it has some nice constructs, but I never really got on with it way back then. just liked the turtle graphics part which is what I think most people used it for.
[16:05] <Davespice> yeah I am interested to see how well they've done it on the Pi, its ideal for teaching kids how to program
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[16:06] <gordonDrogon> spillere, tried a different PSU?
[16:06] <steve_rox> nope pi pdf reader crashes thats fun
[16:06] <spillere> gordonDrogon: yes, i was using the iphone, then changed to the ipad, which is 5v 12W
[16:07] <Davespice> spillere: check the amps your power supply puts out, thats important, it needs to be 700 mA (0.7A) or more
[16:07] <nid0> put the pi's sd card back into a reader then check dmesg and messages
[16:07] <Davespice> should be printed on it somewhere
[16:07] <nid0> see if they give you any clue as to the failure its seeing
[16:08] <spillere> Davespice: 12W, 5V, it's about 2.5Amp
[16:08] <Davespice> that ought to be fine
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[16:08] <spillere> ill have to connect to a tv then
[16:09] <spillere> wanted to do headless, need to find a hdmi cable
[16:09] <Davespice> it does sound like a power issue though, if you leave it for a while without connecting to SSH does it stay alive responding to ping?
[16:09] <spillere> no
[16:09] <Davespice> okay so it is always after a known period of time
[16:09] <spillere> http://cl.ly/image/0h3Q1q0c2N47
[16:10] <spillere> few seconds
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, I used xpdf - seems OK..
[16:10] <Davespice> hmm, yeah I would get a screen on it asap and see what the boot up output says
[16:10] <steve_rox> i was using whatever comes with X
[16:10] <spillere> ill see if i can do it
[16:10] <steve_rox> crashes when viewing a certain page
[16:12] <Davespice> I wonder if its because its going into the raspi_config tool, the blue curses config, and thats why it stops responding to ping
[16:12] <Davespice> maybe if you just go through that config and then finish / exit - you'll be okay - but you'll need to get a screen on it for that
[16:13] <spillere> lets see what i can do ;)
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[16:19] <Triffid_Hunter> Davespice: hm, I was using raspi config over ssh, worked fine
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[16:24] <spillere> Davespice: didnt work, connected to tv, configured, worked for a while, but the place where the tv is theres no ethernet cable
[16:25] <Davespice> oh so it still dies even if you haven't connected an ethernet cable?
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[16:29] <Davespice> check the power rating of your usb devices (if using any) as the Pi can only give 100 mA to each port
[16:30] <Davespice> some keyboards (the kind that have extra buttons and volume controls) use up more than this
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[16:31] <Davespice> I was also thinking it might be worth it, for the process of elimination, to try a different brand of SD card if you have one spare
[16:33] <spillere> yeah
[16:33] <spillere> ill do that
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[16:57] <a930913> Does anyone have GPIO experience here?
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
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[16:57] <a930913> Can you tell me why my output is inversed?
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> you'll need to show me the code/circuit...
[16:58] <a930913> Actually, lemme just check if I'm feeding or sinking.
[16:58] <angelos> mmmmm food
[16:59] <a930913> Oh I'm a silly person.
[16:59] <a930913> I'm sinking, so when I output low, the LED lights up :p
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[16:59] <IT_Sean> That'll do it.
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[17:00] <a930913> So I should probably sort that before I hook up the hbridge :)
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[17:01] <a930913> How many volts of mistake can I make to a GPIO pin before it becomes permanent btw?
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> 3.300000001
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[17:01] <IT_Sean> there is really NO overvolt protection on GPIO pins
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> it's simply best not to. You may "get away" with it, but there are NO guarantees...
[17:01] <IT_Sean> you need to be verrry careful to not release the Magical Blue Smoke.
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[17:02] <IT_Sean> Once the MBS is released, electronics stop working properly. And it's really shockingly expensive to put the smoke back in.
[17:02] <a930913> So any flow from the hbridge can be catastrophic?
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> potentially, yes.
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> only if you blow-up the H bridge first.
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> hard to do, but not impossible.
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> most are fairly robust.
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> right. that's another version of wiringPi released - that'll please Gadgetoid :)
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> and upset some as it now needs libi2c-dev to build ...
[17:04] <a930913> gordonDrogon: A few months back when I used it last, it started to power my arduino from the +5V pin :/
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> not sure if that was a good thing, or not, but hey...
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> a930913, what's the h-bridge chip you're using?
[17:05] <a930913> gordonDrogon: L298n with the chinese breakout stuff.
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> ok. make sure vss is 3.3v and it might work...
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[17:07] <gordonDrogon> Hm. they're rated at 4.5v though, so maybe you do need to keep it at 5v
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> and hope the Pi can trigger it with its 3.3v signals...
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> it should do...
[17:07] <a930913> GPIO - resistor - LED -... Oh I see what's wrong... I've reversed the polarity without flipping the LED round :/
[17:08] <a930913> gordonDrogon: It should handle PWM so surely 33 will woork, albeit slower?
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> don't forget the neutron flow...
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[17:08] <a930913> Bloody unicode on terminal... D:
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> the chip will trigger at 2.5v so you ought to be fine.
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[17:09] <a930913> Incidentally, jumpers make for good female-female connectors to the pi IO. ;)
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> you only have 1 hardware pwm on the Pi though.
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> you'll need 3 gpio pins per motor with that chip too. (one pwm, 2 direction)
[17:10] <a930913> gordonDrogon: Yeah I noticed that, know why?
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> why what, the one pwm?
[17:10] <a930913> It does seem a shame.
[17:10] <a930913> Yeah.
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> an optimistion of the PCB (and lack of thought, possibly) too.
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> I think they were struggling to get all the routing going on 6 layers...
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> if you're programming in C/c++ you can use my softPWM library if you need more PWMs...
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> think they're included in Gadgetoid's python, etc. wrappers...
[17:12] <a930913> I'm trying out the python route atm.
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[17:13] <a930913> I made a procedural HTTP wrapper with it, so I can control the pi IO from the web, event driven :)
[17:13] <gongoputch> I see svgalib is available on the pi, but the cursory tests I tried it didn't want to run for me.
[17:14] <gongoputch> is it in fcat the case that it won't at all?
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> gongoputch, permissions on /dev/fb0 ?
[17:15] <gongoputch> I was root
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> oh well...
[17:15] <gongoputch> I was reading that the boot config sets the memory dedicated to video?
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> SDL works just fine on the Pi, but I don't know what it uses underneath.
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[17:16] <kippi> hi
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> you probably have to initialise it with the same X&Y sizes that it currently has - I'm not convinced trying to change them works (I always crashed SDL trying to), and 16bpp too.
[17:17] <gongoputch> maybe I'll look into that. I was just seeking a *very* simple way to put some ststus indications out
[17:17] <kippi> if I had a device that maxpower is 500mA (USB) will this cause problems if it wants to draw that much?
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> SDL effectively gives you some memory to poke pixels into..
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> kippi, use a powered hub.
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[17:18] <a930913> Do I plug in the hbridge wires and then code where I put them, or do I code first and plug in the right place? :p
[17:18] <gongoputch> I am reading a car OBD port, I'll look at SDL to throw some data out
[17:19] <gongoputch> mostly worked with arduinos, I find 3.3 volts a PITA
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[17:19] <a930913> Is there a GPIO protecter/powerer on the market?
[17:19] <kippi> gordonDrogon: so I would expect problems?
[17:20] <mgottschlag> a930913: optocoupling chips?
[17:20] <gongoputch> a930913: like a level shifter with opto isoltion?
[17:20] <a930913> mgottschlag: One designed as a pi breakout?
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[17:21] <mgottschlag> ah, well, I don't know any complete design, the gertboard certainly has protection
[17:21] <mgottschlag> but building a board from such a chip isn't exactly difficult
[17:21] <a930913> Software or hardware first? :p http://xkcd.com/644/
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[17:21] <mgottschlag> http://elinux.org/RPi_Tutorial_EGHS:GPIO_Protection_Circuits
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> kippi, yes, it won't work at all on a rev 1 pi, and for a rev 2, then PSU will need to be able to supply at least 1.5 amps.
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> kippi, and even then it might still be marginal as there is a 700mA polyfuse on the Pi's input.
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[17:22] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, the gertboard has no protection between the gpio pins and the motor H bridge driver.
[17:23] <mgottschlag> ah, okay
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> the driver on the gertboard isn't a L298n though, however it's the same principle.
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[17:27] <gordonDrogon> I'd just do it - wire the L298 up to +5v and the motor power supply. connect a motor, then check the voltage on the 3 drive pins (just to be sure) then connect them up to the Pi.
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> the inputs are inputs to logic gates inside the chip, so the only way they could back-feed Vss (logic supply) or Vs (motor supply) is if the insides have broken down catastrophically...
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[17:32] <gordonDrogon> what with? ions?
[17:32] <pksato> my GPIO protection circuit using zener diodes http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4088/rpigpiobreadxyz01.jpg
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[17:33] <gordonDrogon> did you see Mike Cooks version?
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[17:34] <pksato> no, mike copy my idea. :)
[17:34] <enthusi> any quick way to verify an over-clocking atempt via config.txt ?
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> http://www.thebox.myzen.co.uk/Raspberry/Breakout.html
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> enthusi, try to boot it.
[17:35] <enthusi> hehe, boot works
[17:35] <enthusi> but I mean /proc/cpu still states the CPU specs naturally
[17:35] <enthusi> any benchmark etc around?
[17:36] <mgottschlag> enthusi: did you select the right gpu governor?
[17:36] <mgottschlag> *cpu
[17:36] <enthusi> uh no idea
[17:36] <enthusi> I just changed that ONE line in config from 700 to 800
[17:36] <Torikun> ZNC makes the PI awesome!
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> if you're using the ondemand regulator, you need to make the pi do something...
[17:37] <enthusi> 'ondemand' regulator in default distribution ?
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea.
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[17:38] <enthusi> I will do some research then
[17:39] <enthusi> thanks :)
[17:39] <a930913> gordonDrogon: Heat energy? :)
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[17:44] <gordonDrogon> a930913, well that's ultimately what a Pi does - get warm!
[17:45] <megaproxy> my pi has been a znc thing for a few months now
[17:45] <megaproxy> still going strong :D
[17:45] <a930913> gordonDrogon: Raspi powered soldering iron?
[17:45] <a930913> Incidentally, plugged it in with no software - no magic smoke yet.
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[17:47] <bluegoon> test
[17:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> worked
[17:47] <bluegoon> typing from my Raspberry Pi!
[17:47] <bluegoon> Yessss!
[17:47] <mgottschlag> heh, there are usb powered soldering irons at least
[17:47] <a930913> bluegoon: What input?
[17:47] <bluegoon> I installed Raspbian on a 2 gig SD card.
[17:48] <bluegoon> Was that a huge mistake?
[17:48] <bluegoon> Is the swap going to explode or something?
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[17:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> mo - just wont be able to add much more
[17:49] <bluegoon> Yea noticed, got like 200MB open after the install/update/upgrade
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[17:49] <a930913> bluegoon: Have you resized the partition to use all available space?
[17:50] <bluegoon> Yes first thing I did
[17:50] <bluegoon> then rebooted
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> won't gain much on a 2G card.
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> try sudo apt-get clean
[17:50] <bluegoon> ok brb
[17:51] <a930913> gordonDrogon: But as a percentage :p
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> always handy after updates..
[17:51] <bluegoon> perfromance is extremely sluggish
[17:51] <a930913> bluegoon: irssi?
[17:51] <bluegoon> mouse clicks dont respond etc
[17:51] <bluegoon> a930913: yes
[17:51] <a930913> bluegoon: Got a lappy?
[17:52] <bluegoon> Free Space: 278MB
[17:52] <bluegoon> a930913: Laptop? Sure
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[17:52] <a930913> bluegoon: Use synergy and free up all the USB ports.
[17:52] <omani> is the image raspbian persistent on sd card?
[17:52] <omani> can I save my files on it?
[17:52] <bluegoon> I think its supposed to be this sluggish
[17:52] <a930913> omani: Yes.
[17:52] <omani> or is it like a live image.
[17:52] <omani> ok
[17:52] <omani> thanks
[17:53] <a930913> omani: Np.
[17:53] <bluegoon> a930913: you think it might be a power drain issue?
[17:53] <omani> and what are the differences between the raspbian images and the official images of the foundation?
[17:53] <a930913> bluegoon: Regardless, it's a lot cooler. :D
[17:53] <bluegoon> a930913: well im using the normal setup, nothing fancy, kb/m ethernet thats it
[17:53] <omani> I would like to use raspbian+mate desktop
[17:53] <bluegoon> a930913: lol
[17:54] <bluegoon> a930913: the little graph at the bottom right, thats CPU usage, right?
[17:54] <a930913> bluegoon: Is it a solid green box?
[17:54] <bluegoon> a930913: no, it goes all the way full when I have a browser open etc
[17:54] <omani> and what is the hottest element of the pi? I would like to cool it down for using it with 1Ghz permanentaly
[17:54] <a930913> Mine is, but I'm running X and xbmc :p
[17:55] <a930913> bluegoon: Yeah that's CPU.
[17:55] <bluegoon> well its fine now
[17:55] <a930913> omani: The CPU is the bit that gets hotter the more you overclock it.
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> the ram gets hotter too.
[17:55] <bluegoon> a930913: when you open up a browser, how long does it take for the window to show up?
[17:55] <omani> a930913: what about the voltage regulator, the gpu and the sd controller?
[17:56] <a930913> bluegoon: Chromium? ;)
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> the gpu & sd controller are part of the cpu - well, it's a SoC ... so one big lump.
[17:56] <bluegoon> a930913: ah, no im using raspbian!
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> System on Chimp.
[17:56] <a930913> omani: I don't know much, but I think the CPU is the main source of heat.
[17:56] <a930913> bluegoon: apt-get chromium :D
[17:56] <a930913> install*
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> cpu is under the ram, so it will heat up the ram anyway :)
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[17:57] <bluegoon> a930913: I like raspbian actually :)
[17:57] <bluegoon> a930913: just very sluggish
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[17:57] <netzvieh> lynx has a great performance though :D
[17:57] <a930913> bluegoon: Experiment with the GPU_MEM.
[17:58] <bluegoon> a930913: what does that do:
[17:58] <bluegoon> ?
[17:58] <a930913> I made a bash so I can ./restart [GPU_MEM] :)
[17:58] <a930913> bluegoon: Gives more RAM to the GPU.
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[17:58] <omani> why does it only have fast ethernet?
[17:58] <omani> why no gigabit?
[17:58] <omani> lan
[17:59] <Matt> I think you'll find that it would make no difference :)
[17:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> becase that is what the SOC has
[17:59] <bluegoon> a930913: oh ok, well let me test the 3D
[17:59] <a930913> omani: Are you going to use the GPIO pins?
[17:59] <Matt> and you're hard pressed to even push 100Mbps over it
[17:59] <omani> a930913: yes
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[17:59] <a930913> omani: Well my answer just failed then :p
[17:59] <omani> why?
[18:00] <mgottschlag> actually, gigabit lan over usb 2.0 wouldn't exactly work either (because *that* is what the soc has ^^)
[18:00] <omani> a930913: why failed?
[18:00] <a930913> omani: I was going to point at the GPIO as being more noticable than the ethernet ;)
[18:00] <Torikun> what is another tool like yaourt
[18:00] <omani> ah :)
[18:01] <omani> ok and where exactly can I find the RAM on the board? is it S2 and S5?
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[18:01] <bluegoon> Does Chromium have flash support?
[18:01] <yaMatt> no, you have to install it
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[18:01] <mgottschlag> omani: look at the large central chip, from the side
[18:01] <a930913> bluegoon: Can't seem to get flash to work due to it being an ARM.
[18:02] <omani> mgottschlag: that's the cpu?
[18:02] <a930913> I'm just using XBMC to watch iPlayer.
[18:02] <mgottschlag> omani: and above it, dram
[18:02] <IT_Sean> omani: that's both. The ram sits atop the cpu
[18:02] <bluegoon> a930913: oh thats right, architecture is different from x86 right?
[18:02] <mgottschlag> it is a stack of two chips if you look closely
[18:02] <bluegoon> I think people REALLY shouldnt overclock this thing lol
[18:02] <omani> the two capacitors? oO
[18:02] <a930913> bluegoon: Yeah.
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> the SPI can run at 32MHz.
[18:03] <mgottschlag> omani: no, the central chip you see is dram!
[18:03] <mgottschlag> it is made by samsung/hynix, not broadcom (cpu)
[18:03] <omani> yeah
[18:03] <mgottschlag> the cpu is below it!
[18:03] <omani> and where is the arm cpu?
[18:03] <IT_Sean> BELOW the RAM
[18:03] <littlebearz> bluegoon: what do u mean, it has dynamic clocking
[18:03] <omani> so above the USB?
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> in theory, I reckon I could push data out of the GPIO using 8-bit transfers and a strobe at approx. 160Mb/sec, however very short distance and 100% cpu ..
[18:03] <omani> if usb points to bottom
[18:03] <Grix> Guys, I have a question, is the max power draw from the USB ports limited by anything other than the PSU? I have trouble getting my peripherals to work, and I suspect it's because of a power issue, if I switch to a more powerful PSU, would that help?
[18:03] <mgottschlag> omani: -.-
[18:03] <mgottschlag> sec
[18:03] <omani> :(
[18:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> omani http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[18:04] <IT_Sean> Omani. I really cannot make this any clearer. The CPU is UNDER the ram. Between the RAM and the board itself
[18:04] <IT_Sean> it's a sandwich
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> Grix, polyfuse on input to pi, polyfuse on power to usb (rev 1)
[18:04] <littlebearz> Grix: u need 700 min for power
[18:04] <omani> aaaah you mean UNDER the ram?
[18:04] <Grix> I have a 1A psu
[18:04] <omani> like, underneath it
[18:04] <mgottschlag> omani: http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2012-09-21-10.58.22.jpg
[18:04] * IT_Sean facepalms
[18:04] <IT_Sean> YES
[18:04] <IT_Sean> under it
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[18:04] <omani> omfg. what a technology!
[18:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> it's called pop
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[18:06] <omani> sorry.
[18:06] <omani> I was too excited :)
[18:06] <omani> ok great. so if cpu heats up, ram will do too.
[18:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> calm down ;-p
[18:06] <Grix> gordonDrogon: What are you saying? There's a max power input? But will all power not used by the board go to the USB's, or is the USB's capped at a certain wattage anyway?
[18:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes - but it's hard to make it heat up [really]
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[18:07] <omani> I want to use it with 1Ghz static. not dynamically clocked by cpufreq. you know?
[18:07] <mgottschlag> that construction basically also is why putting a heatsink on top doesn't help much
[18:07] <littlebearz> Grix: afaik usb has only 500 since it's not powered
[18:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ as long as your power is good it should be fine
[18:07] <littlebearz> Grix: but i might be wrong
[18:07] <omani> so that's why I thought about a cooling unit
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[18:07] <aDro> IOGear GBU321 (Broadcom BCM2045 Chipset)
[18:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> not really nessassacy - but yoou can stuff a RAM cooler on it if you want
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[18:08] <a930913> mgottschlag: Drowning the pi in liquid nitrogen works, no?
[18:08] <omani> like a passiv cooler?
[18:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah
[18:08] <littlebearz> omani: why can't u get 2 pi and combine processing power?
[18:08] <aDro> I am trying to get the BCM2046 Chipset working. It's a BlueTooth Usb Adapter.
[18:08] <omani> littlebearz: how? glue them together? the only way is to build up a cluster via LAN
[18:09] <littlebearz> omani: yup
[18:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> omani see https://twitter.com/i/#!/_RaTTuS_/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitpic.com%2Fagi2kq
[18:09] <omani> ok and what is the chip at P3?
[18:09] <a930913> omani: Then go lasercut a pi rack :)
[18:09] <mgottschlag> usb/network
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[18:09] <omani> RaTTuS|BIG: is that by you?
[18:09] <mgottschlag> omani: the label for it is IC3 btw
[18:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes
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[18:10] <omani> according to the image I need two coolers
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[18:10] <omani> one for network too
[18:10] <bluegoon> its crazy that my galaxy note 2 is faster than this thing
[18:10] <bluegoon> too awesome
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[18:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> well - one for the usb / NIC and one for the cpu/RAM - but my newer ones does not have any coolings on them
[18:11] <omani> is that a selfmade cooling?
[18:11] <mgottschlag> every recent smartphone is faster than the pi, but then try to find a smartphone with ethernet and accessible GPIOs :D
[18:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> just some RAM coolers
[18:11] <omani> couldn't find any small units out there
[18:11] <omani> ah ok. RAM coolers, didn't think of it
[18:11] <littlebearz> mgottschlag: u can probably get a OTG for ethernet but the cost of a smart phone is min 300 usd
[18:12] <turtleJP> what are you running on your Pi that is necessitating addition cooling passive or otherwise?
[18:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Enzotech-RAM-Cooler-BCC9-Low-Profile-/230908163969?pt=UK_Computing_Memory_Chipset_Cooling&hash=item35c332f781 <- those arew expesivce but you get the idea
[18:12] <a930913> mgottschlag: And find one for <??30 ;)
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[18:12] <omani> RaTTuS|BIG: what are the operation areas of your PIs?
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[18:13] <a930913> \o/
[18:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> xbmc / small general work server for monitoring stuff accoss the network , one to play with and do all sorts of funky stuff....
[18:13] <a930913> It's working.
[18:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> ooh nearly time for the pub
[18:14] <littlebearz> RaTTuS|BIG: xbmc and monitor might be too much i think
[18:14] <a930913> I can click the button on the webpage and it moves the motor on the pi :D
[18:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> I have 3 .,.,..,
[18:14] <a930913> Now, when my wifi piece arrives...
[18:15] * RaTTuS|BIG goes awol
[18:15] <omani> ok desicion made. I will get me one PI :D
[18:15] <omani> thanks to y'all.
[18:15] <omani> bye
[18:15] * IT_Sean sends a couple of MPs after RaTTuS|BIG
[18:15] <turtleJP> I am loving my Pi but more excited about a version two with more horsepower
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[18:16] <gordonDrogon> Members of Parliament will just want to join RaTTuS|BIG in drinking...
[18:16] <IT_Sean>
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> turtleJP, more horsepower? unlikely...
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> turtleJP, revision 2 of the board has more RAM, but that's it.
[18:16] <IT_Sean> yeah... don't hold your breath, turtleJP
[18:16] <turtleJP> you don't see a dual core arm chip in the future?
[18:16] <IT_Sean> no.
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> I think that what we have now is "the raspberry pi".
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> that's it.
[18:17] <turtleJP> Oh I'm not holding my breath at all.
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> something else might come out in a couple of years, but it's not going to be a Pi..
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[18:17] <bluegoon> is it worth installing Chrome? (the browser, not the OS)
[18:17] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[18:17] <bluegoon> I've got 200MB left, Chrome is 86MB lol
[18:17] <IT_Sean> The answer to that question is always yes. :p
[18:17] <bluegoon> expensive installation!
[18:17] <swart> yeah I'm sure there will be an intel mint-tin form factor sometime in the next 10 years :)
[18:18] <bluegoon> OK lets do this
[18:18] <IT_Sean> swart: I just saw a pocket sized intel box the other day on Engadget.
[18:18] <swart> there you go
[18:18] <swart> I was too lazy to google for it :)
[18:18] <turtleJP> gordonDragon: Good point. As Linux on ARM matures I'd be interested in more units as inexpensive efficient desktop computers
[18:18] <IT_Sean> No pricing yet, so, i suspect it will be expensive as [censored], but... it exists.
[18:19] <swart> of course then people will want pcie and all their fancy graphics cards to work with it
[18:19] <bluegoon> Can I keep this thing on all the time?
[18:19] <IT_Sean> bluegoon: yes
[18:19] <bluegoon> IT_Sean: should figure out how to setup a screensaver
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[18:21] <swart> I should keep mine on too. I wonder how well it would work as a proxy server
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[18:22] <Torikun> I want to see ARM in the enterprise so I can install REDHAT On the pi
[18:22] <netzvieh> swart: what for?
[18:23] <bluegoon> can you "migrate" your rasbian installation to a new SD card?
[18:23] <bluegoon> Im thinking about buying a bigger one
[18:23] <IT_Sean> you mean... take a disk image if your current SD, and write it to a new SD?
[18:23] <bluegoon> Yup
[18:23] <IT_Sean> I don't see why not.
[18:24] <bluegoon> IT_Sean: Awesome
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[18:24] <IT_Sean> long as the destination is as big or bigger than the image.
[18:24] <Torikun> I use rsync to migrade back and fouth on SD cards almos daily BlueDreams
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[18:26] <littlebearz> Torikun: rsync is great for initially sync, i use inotifywait afterwards
[18:27] <Torikun> i never heard of that one
[18:27] <Torikun> what's it do
[18:27] <littlebearz> Torikun: inotifywait waits until a file has changed and then you write a script to move that specific file
[18:27] <swart> netzvieh: I have the corporate firewall problem. I use an ssh tunnel to connect to a proxy server
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[18:28] <Torikun> oh nice
[18:28] <littlebearz> Torikun: it's more complicated then rsync but great if u're doing one way sync recurrently
[18:29] <littlebearz> the problem with rsync is that it sends the list of files back and forth and calculate the checksum eachtime
[18:29] <littlebearz> Torikun: so rsync works until you're data gets over large amount of files
[18:29] <Torikun> ah
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> but then you need to setup an inotify for each file you want to monitor...
[18:30] <Dagger2> your*
[18:30] <Grix> I have a weird problem, my pi will only boot if a HDMI cable is plugged in, what can cause this?
[18:30] <littlebearz> gordonDrogon: inotify works on folders
[18:31] <steve_rox> well i finally got the backup pc semi built
[18:31] <steve_rox> bad thing is it hates my hdds
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> it's still a list to build up...
[18:31] <steve_rox> and the only recovery disk i have is in japineese and windows7
[18:31] <littlebearz> gordonDrogon: yup, but one one side instead of both
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[18:31] <Dagger2> and then two lines above you needed to use "you're" but you used "u're" instead?? how does that work?
[18:31] <steve_rox> so i have to repair windows useing a japineese tool oh joy
[18:32] <littlebearz> Dagger2: hm?
[18:32] <steve_rox> anyone know how to read japineese chkdsk?
[18:33] <Dagger2> there's tools that do the inotify+sync stuff automatically... but unfortunately I can't remember the names of them and the tabs are buried under the other thousand tabs I have open
[18:33] <a930913> Has anyone stuck an IR LED onto a pi and got their TV to turn on when the pi turns on?
[18:33] <littlebearz> steve_rox: i recommend get clonezilla and after new install back it up and just recover it later
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[18:33] <megaproxy> what is the start up file for the pi again?
[18:33] <steve_rox> yeah im very limited on what disks i have here and what pc's remain
[18:33] <Dagger2> ... or not: http://code.google.com/p/lsyncd/
[18:34] <Dagger2> littlebearz: "if u're doing" -> "if you're doing", and "until you're data" -> "until your data"
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[18:34] <littlebearz> Dagger2: wow, lsyncd is pretty cool, pretty much automates it
[18:34] <megaproxy> anyone have any idea?
[18:34] <littlebearz> Dagger2: afaik there's no grammar autocorrect in irssi
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[18:35] <Dagger2> you're expected to know the grammar yourself...
[18:35] <a930913> megaproxy: /etc/init.d/ and you have to run something to register it.
[18:35] <megaproxy> i dont think thats it
[18:35] <littlebearz> a930913: wasn't it systemctl?
[18:35] <megaproxy> there is another file where you can put the program name in
[18:35] <megaproxy> and when it next boots it autoloads
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[18:36] <steve_rox> wonder what it means when xbmc has like a skull up top right with 2 red eyes in it
[18:36] <megaproxy> ive done it before... >.<
[18:36] <littlebearz> megaproxy: um /boot?
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[18:36] <megaproxy> dont think so
[18:36] <megaproxy> it had something to do with X i think.
[18:37] <littlebearz> megaproxy: /etc/X11/ prehaps
[18:37] <a930913> megaproxy: So it loads when X loads?
[18:37] <a930913> Rather than on boot?
[18:37] <megaproxy> yea
[18:37] <megaproxy> sorry :P
[18:37] <megaproxy> i think its /etc/rc something?
[18:38] <littlebearz> megaproxy: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3042
[18:38] <littlebearz> megaproxy: that's rc.d which is samething was /etc/init.d
[18:39] <megaproxy> it could quite possibly be...
[18:39] <megaproxy> /etc/x11/openbox/autostart
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[18:41] <megaproxy> ahahaha
[18:41] <megaproxy> found it
[18:41] <megaproxy> /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart
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[18:41] <littlebearz> megaproxy: nice :D
[18:41] <littlebearz> megaproxy: i now remember the famous find command
[18:42] <megaproxy> now i can add @midori
[18:42] <megaproxy> and auto load our nmis page
[18:42] <megaproxy> :D
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[18:47] <turtleJP> *sigh* why you no remember password
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[18:48] <megaproxy> now to set up x11vnc
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[18:48] <megaproxy> whats the best guide for this? The one i followed last time was missing a crucial step and it didnt work as a result
[18:48] <littlebearz> megaproxy: i give up on x11vnc and used rdesktop
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[18:49] <megaproxy> i need it to open the live session tho
[18:49] <megaproxy> user session *
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[18:49] <littlebearz> megaproxy: yeah, u can use xrdp + rdesktop so microsoft client can use it too
[18:50] <megaproxy> hmm
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[18:58] <MalMen> megaproxy, you just have to put x11vnc on autostart too
[18:58] <MalMen> and it will create a vnc server on port 5900 with no pass
[18:58] <MalMen> for more expecifications you just have to x11vnc --help
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[19:03] <megaproxy> ok i isntalled x11vnc
[19:04] <megaproxy> it wont ask for a password....
[19:04] <megaproxy> how do i set one
[19:04] <megaproxy> the -storepassword flag does not work
[19:05] <swart> don't expose vnc to the open net. wrap it in ssh
[19:05] <megaproxy> ok i derped..
[19:05] <megaproxy> swart, it wont be, its lan only
[19:05] <megaproxy> so i set the password now... and started it using: /usr/bin/screen -dmS vnc /usr/bin/x11vnc -display :0 -rfbauth /root/.vnc/passwd -forever
[19:05] <megaproxy> cant connect tho :
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[19:06] <swart> vncservers used to be easy to set up. dunno what happened
[19:06] <swart> did you do xhost + ?
[19:06] <megaproxy> its easy on every other OS ive used
[19:07] <swart> it's been a while, but I've been thinking about setting it up on there too
[19:07] <swart> if you get it working pls write a tutorial :)
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[19:07] <megaproxy> haha
[19:07] <megaproxy> ive done so many diff things
[19:07] <megaproxy> i have no idea what would make it work
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[19:08] <gordonDrogon> dinner. something almost but not quite unlike coconut.
[19:08] <IT_Sean> oO
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[19:11] <megaproxy> ohohohoh
[19:11] <megaproxy> i got it to connect!
[19:11] <megaproxy> it instantly kicked me off...
[19:11] <megaproxy> but it connected!
[19:11] <megaproxy> "rfbSendUpdateBuf: write: broken pipe
[19:11] <megaproxy> wth is that
[19:12] <IT_Sean> easy there... don't have a nerdgasm.
[19:12] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:12] <megaproxy> bro this has been doing my head in haha
[19:12] <megaproxy> but now i have another thing to battle with
[19:12] <megaproxy> *yay* D=
[19:15] <megaproxy> ok new symptom...
[19:15] <megaproxy> can connect... viewer sees no screen tho, but CAN control the pi
[19:15] <megaproxy> how odd :|
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[19:16] <steve_rox> backup pc is working kinda , now i have to prepare to do battle with dabs and their "its not our problem" attitude
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[19:18] <megaproxy> swart, it works!
[19:18] <megaproxy> i have NO idea what i changed...
[19:19] <swart> :)
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[19:31] <turtleJP> nice job megaproxy
[19:31] <turtleJP> any suggestions for video playback application.
[19:32] <swart> other than xmbc?
[19:32] <turtleJP> yeah, something in general raspian desktop
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[19:33] <turtleJP> VLC didn't play too nicely
[19:33] <swart> I haven't even tried xmbc yet. trying to avoid x altogether really
[19:33] <swart> it's a really slow device
[19:33] <swart> I don't think of it as a desktop machine, but most people seem to be using it that way :)
[19:34] <turtleJP> slowest machine the our house by far
[19:35] * IT_Sean switches out swart's normal PC for a penium 4 rig with 256mb of ram
[19:35] <turtleJP> but I still enjoy using it. our phones are faster
[19:35] <megaproxy> IT_Sean, i have a sever with p3 inside :D
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[19:35] <megaproxy> i got it for its case...
[19:35] <megaproxy> lol
[19:36] <b3hnam> I am running my Raspberrypi for first time when I connected it to TV I have not any signal , power LED in on and I used micro memory with SD convertor, I tried AV and HTMI,
[19:36] <b3hnam> How can I fix it ?
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[19:37] <swart> b3hnam: do you see the ACT light flashing as it boots from the SD?
[19:37] * turtleJP is an openbox kind of guy
[19:38] <IT_Sean> b3hnam: what OS did you image to the SD?
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[19:38] <b3hnam> IT_Sean: 2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian
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[19:39] <gordonDrogon> megaproxy, P3? Luxury.... My home PBX: model name : VIA Samuel 2
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> stepping : 3
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> cpu MHz : 533.388
[19:39] <b3hnam> I used Micro memory and SD convertor
[19:39] <b3hnam> swart: no, just power LED is on
[19:39] <swart> check the wiki to see if the SD card has been tested to work
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[19:39] <turtleJP> behnam when you created the SD card did you do it in Windows Linux, OS X?
[19:40] <b3hnam> turtleJP: Linux via DD
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[19:40] <b3hnam> 1939865600 bytes (1.9 GB) copied, 380.384 s, 5.1 MB/s
[19:40] <IT_Sean> what srt of power supply are you using? What's the rating on it?
[19:40] <IT_Sean> *sort
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[19:42] <b3hnam> swart: How can I chek that my SD is ok? data is writed but I dont know is it ok or no
[19:46] <swart> b3hnam: I had the same problem with a number of different SD cards. in the end I bought one from pi hut. I haven't tried this yet, but I will get to the bottom of it (I'm using a 2009 Macbook Pro with OS X, so it may not be the same problem you are seeing) http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
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[19:47] <b3hnam> IT_Sean: I used Sony ericson movile charger, 5V , 850mA
[19:48] <swart> b3hnam: you should be able to mount the SD from linux and view the contents from there
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[19:48] <IT_Sean> that should do.
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[19:49] <mac-> hey
[19:49] <IT_Sean> is for horses.
[19:49] <mac-> I've just got my Raspberry Pi
[19:49] <IT_Sean> good for you.
[19:49] <mac-> but please tell me
[19:49] <mac-> if I have no SD card plugged in should it show anything on the screen after power it up ?
[19:50] <IT_Sean> No.
[19:50] <IT_Sean> It will not.
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[19:50] <IT_Sean> You need the SD card, with the OS, for it to boot and display anything.
[19:50] <IT_Sean> With no SD card, you will get no video.
[19:50] <b3hnam> swart: I want to mount it ask filesystem type : you must specify the filesystem type
[19:51] <swart> FAT32 I was told
[19:51] <swart> someone correct me if I'm wrong
[19:51] <swart> I think there are two partitions
[19:51] <mac-> IT_Sean: both, HDMI and SVideo ?
[19:51] <IT_Sean> Aye. No SD = No video at all.
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[19:51] <mac-> IT_Sean: ok, thanks :)
[19:51] <IT_Sean> No problem.
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[19:52] <b3hnam> swart: s I think I should set vfat type in linux mount command for fat32 but I have this error :wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1
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[19:56] <swart> b3hnam: see this page http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup - make sure you do a sync after dd and try step 10 "You can check what's written to the SD card by dd-ing from the card back to your harddisk to another image, and then running diff (or md5sum) on those two images. There should be no difference."
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[19:57] <swart> I confess I'm just parroting the docs. I haven't tried this with linux yet
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[20:07] <sheldor> hey i want to power the rpi with a powered hub. and i want to connect a wifi dongle, a usb keyboard, and a usb hdd to the rpi. how exactly would i connect stuff?
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[20:08] <sheldor> wifi, keyboard, and hdd into a hub downstream port each. rpi output into the upstream port?
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[20:08] <sheldor> and how would i power the rpi? hub downstream into the rpi micro usb?
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[20:23] <Kane> ail everybody o/
[20:25] <IT_Sean> \o
[20:26] <Kane> IT_Sean o/
[20:26] <IT_Sean> as i said... ... \o
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[20:36] <b3hnam> swart: IT_Sean: It fixed :) I deleted all the partioions of SD and I installed on /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1
[20:36] <b3hnam> tnx 4 helps
[20:37] <IT_Sean> no probs.
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[20:44] <martk100> Can anyone suggest a viable touchscreen o/s or desktop for Rpi
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[20:51] <gordonDrogon> a touchscreen OS? That presumes you have a touchscreen in the first instance...
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[20:52] <martk100> gordonDrogon: Yes I have a touchscreen. It works as well as can be expected on Debian.
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[21:04] <Perkele> how do you enable library mode on xmbc (raspbmc)?
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[21:04] <Perkele> when i add my video source it only gives me a list of the files
[21:06] <Perkele> oh it doesn't work with upnp?
[21:06] <Perkele> why not?
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[21:18] <advisor> hi everybody
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[21:19] <advisor> does soemone have experience with brambles? (raspi cluster)
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[21:21] <rikkib> ug... Installed package on the wrong machine...
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[21:42] <tanuva> my raspbmc stops playing the moment it switches to the second track. stays at the play position from the last track's end and does nothing. only plays something else after I explicitly "stop"ed playback. has anyone seen that?
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[21:44] <roaster> crap! Overlooked the softfloat setting in crosstool-ng... guess I'll have to rebuild that compiler :D
[21:45] <mac-> hey guys
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[21:46] <mac-> any one here uses Slackware ARM 13.37 or 14.0 on Raspberry Pi ?
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[21:50] <roaster> anyone has an IDE to recommend? My day job I'm a windows developer....
[21:51] <pksato> roaster: for run on RPi? vim, emacs :)
[21:51] <roaster> to run on a pc with debian and cross compile
[21:52] <roaster> still can use those vim I know, but I was looking for something with more eye candy ;)
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[21:56] <pksato> I not a real programmer, but, eclipse, qtdesigner(?) come in mind.
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[21:58] <pksato> and other specific to an widget (gui).
[21:58] <roaster> yeah I'll give eclipse for C/C++ a go
[21:58] <roaster> I'll be building a console app and server so no need for GUI ;)
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[22:00] <Hodapp> Qt Creator is the IDE, not Qt Designer.
[22:00] <Hodapp> And it's pretty good for C/C++ actually. It integrates in with Qt Designer to help with making Qt widgets/whatever, but you don't have to use it for Qt by any means.
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[22:01] <newbie007> greetings, does anyone know if such a thing is possible.... I'd like a device that when I push a button I could get the position of the device (x,y,z) the position could be relative to another device(s). I want something very accurate (with in inches)
[22:01] <roaster> newbie007, with the right sensors and logic? Yes possible
[22:01] <Hodapp> newbie007: A Wiimote might be able to help you. Maybe.
[22:01] <newbie007> a wiimote.. didn't even think of it
[22:01] <pksato> newbie007: on free space?
[22:01] <Hodapp> Leap Motion is supposed to be able, but I'm pretty sure that toy is either vaporware or has specs that are blatant lies.
[22:02] <newbie007> I've looked into leap motion.. I want to map out something the size of a car
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[22:02] <Hodapp> a Kinect or an Asus Xtion Pro can also accomplish sorta this
[22:02] <roaster> I have some java experience with eclipse (from a while ago though) so will see how it performs for C like languages
[22:02] <pksato> on system like CNC?
[22:03] <newbie007> pksato: I'm not sure if that was directed towards me, if so I don't know what CNC is.. googling....
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[22:04] <Hodapp> newbie007: Problem with a Wiimote is that you require line-of-sight whether you're locating the Wii or using the Wii's sensors to locate an IR LED.
[22:04] <newbie007> I want to bring a 3d object into the computer as a model. Large things like a car
[22:04] <newbie007> I think what I really want is GPS, that works and is not satelite based.
[22:05] <Hodapp> newbie007: You asked a question about localization. You're now asking about mapping. Which are you interested in? They're two different problems.
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[22:05] <newbie007> goal is to put device on a 3d object, such as a car. Hit a button at point on the car. Then import the points into a vector art program such as blender
[22:06] <IT_Sean> GPS is satellite based. And is not accurate within inches. so... probably not what you want.
[22:06] <pksato> newbie007: you asking about some like a computer vision (not limited to optical).
[22:06] <Hodapp> IT_Sean: He means that he wants it to be like GPS, but not satellite-based and more accurate.
[22:06] <newbie007> Hodapp, yes
[22:06] <IT_Sean> His best bet is probably the Microsoft xbox thing... Connect?
[22:06] <IT_Sean> What'sitcalled?
[22:06] <newbie007> ideally would not need line of site.
[22:07] <Hodapp> newbie007: Look into two programs: Kinect Fusion and ReconstructMe.
[22:07] <IT_Sean> Kinect. That's it.
[22:07] <Hodapp> newbie007: Kinect Fusion is a royal pain to build because it requires the enirety of PCL as well as a bunch of other libraries as well as a system that supports CUDA.
[22:08] <newbie007> Kinect.. I just always hated everything about it, I think it is closed source.. I don't like the idea of the TV watching me.. just turned me off to the entire idea of Kinect
[22:08] <Hodapp> newbie007: ReconstructMe is basically the same algorithms better-packaged and in a program you don't need to build yourself, and you only need OpenCL support, not CUDA.
[22:08] <advisor> i have a stupid question regarding brambles, i suppose it's not possible to run some random application distributedly, is it?
[22:08] <advisor> like chromium
[22:08] <newbie007> Thanks for the ideas! I'll look into these things
[22:08] <advisor> or whatever
[22:08] <Hodapp> newbie007: The Kinect drivers are open-source. The design itself is just based on the PrimeSense reference plus a bunch of other Microsoft garbage.
[22:09] <Hodapp> newbie007: Kinect Fusion and Reconstruct Me require you to have a Microsoft Kinect, or something else like an Asus Xtion Pro (which is a little pricier but basically the same hardware packaged smaller)
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[22:09] <Hodapp> newbie007: Anything more accurate than that - and you're getting into laser scanners and industrial CMMs (coordinate measuring machines).
[22:10] <Hodapp> A CMM does what you want, but you'll not find one that handles something as large as a car for any reasonable price.
[22:11] <Hodapp> newbie007: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hodapple/8006389654/in/set-72157631453850052 - that is a ReconstructMe example that I did myself
[22:12] <newbie007> Hodapp, thanks that is very interesting,....
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[22:13] <Hodapp> advisor: what is brambles?
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[22:13] <advisor> a bramble is a raspi cluster
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[22:14] <advisor> distributed computing 'n stuff, one master node and x slave nodes
[22:14] <Hodapp> advisor: As far as running "some random application" distributedly - the answer is "sorta". If you look into tools like MOSIX, OpenSSI, or Kerrighed, they allow you to set up clusters in which non-local CPUs and memory appear as local, and then anything that spawns multiple processes can run things across multiple nodes.
[22:15] <Hodapp> advisor: If the application wasn't written to scale across a distributed system, your options are very limited.
[22:16] <Hodapp> I've used OpenSSI and Kerrighed only on x86 so I don't know if they'll run on ARM; they'll certainly require custom kernels. I've never used MOSIX.
[22:17] <advisor> i have no experience except for a little debian and arch
[22:17] <advisor> guess that would go over my head then
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[22:18] <Hodapp> You can still try. You may have to learn a bit though.
[22:18] <Hodapp> when you asked about Chromium were you referring to the browser, or to this? http://chromium.sourceforge.net/
[22:18] <advisor> xD the browser, not the game
[22:18] <Hodapp> that's not a game
[22:18] <advisor> there's a third program called chromium? :D
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[22:18] <advisor> huh wow
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[22:19] <advisor> naw, i'm not the graphics type of person
[22:19] * IT_Sean detonates a chromebook
[22:19] <Hodapp> MOSIX appears to be x86 only.
[22:20] <Hodapp> Kerrighed, IIRC, is open-source but involves some very unholy kernel patches
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[22:23] * dr_willis wonders if theres Minix for the Pi.
[22:23] <Hodapp> but it lets you do some interesting things; you can migrate a running process between nodes without the process 'seeing' any change except for perhaps a brief pause
[22:24] <advisor> there's another question, do you have experience with other boards? pandaboard, beagleboard, odroid? i am looking for a 2nd board without the driver and codec issues the raspi has to live with
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[22:25] <Hodapp> I think Beagleboard and Pandaboard are the best-supported, but I'm not sure.
[22:25] <dr_willis> also quiet a bit more $$ arent they?
[22:26] <Hodapp> yeah
[22:26] <Hodapp> faster though
[22:26] <advisor> yup
[22:27] <dr_willis> Saw where the 'chumby' guys were working on a developer-hacker-hobbiest type bord based on the Chumby design also. Which would be nifty.
[22:27] <Hodapp> mehhh, chumby.
[22:27] <dr_willis> Chumby is an Little fancy 'clock/pictureframe/radio' for thost that havent seen one.
[22:28] <Torikun> what is so bad about the raspberry pi driver/codec adieu
[22:28] <dr_willis> Been one by my bed now for 2+ years. ;)
[22:28] <Hodapp> mine stopped being used as an alarm clock after it would crash every 1-2 weeks
[22:28] <Hodapp> it's sort of important that my alarm clock not crash
[22:29] <Torikun> Hodapp: people use cell phones nowlol
[22:29] <swart> I got my kid one of those adafruit iceclocks for christmas
[22:29] <swart> icetube clocks
[22:30] <swart> http://www.ladyada.net/make/icetube/
[22:30] <swart> haven't built it yet. we are still doing soldering practice :)
[22:30] <advisor> thank you for the info Hodapp
[22:30] <advisor> have a nice day everyone
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[22:30] <Hodapp> Torikun: I can't read my cell phone from across the room, and if it's close enough to read it, then it's close enough for me to turn it off in my sleep.
[22:30] <Torikun> lol
[22:30] <Torikun> ok
[22:31] <Torikun> i love having the raspberry pi as a ZNC host
[22:31] <Torikun> I need some more servers to run on my pi. Any ideas? I got DNS, Email, Torrent, Web, ZNC
[22:31] <Torikun> and Mysql
[22:31] <swart> less is more
[22:32] <pfdotn> ...need more services? Wow, sounds sadistic. I usually do what I need to meet requirements, nothing more.
[22:32] <DDave> Torikun, mysql
[22:32] <swart> +1 pfdotn
[22:32] <DDave> ooooooh sorry
[22:32] <DDave> openvpn
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[22:32] <Torikun> hard to setup DDave?
[22:32] <pfdotn> Torikun: But if you're serious about learning, look at your field of choice, work out what software is used, install and familiarise yourself with it.
[22:32] <DDave> depends on your skill.. xD
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[22:32] <Hodapp> Torikun: Uh... if you REALLY want more services, here's a short list:
[22:32] <DDave> Asterisk might be fun to learn too?
[22:33] <Torikun> I can not do my job on the pi since they don't supporty non x86 clusters
[22:33] <Torikun> asterisk is super hard beyond me
[22:33] <Torikun> lol
[22:33] <Hodapp> Torikun: tor, freenet, SSH, FTP, musicpd
[22:33] <Torikun> got ssh
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[22:33] <Torikun> ftp don't really use
[22:33] <Hodapp> you didn't say services you would use :P
[22:33] <Torikun> Music.....na cant really stream it anywhere
[22:34] <Torikun> lol
[22:34] <Hodapp> you could run Calibre's content server
[22:34] <Torikun> let me google that
[22:35] <Torikun> books?
[22:35] <Torikun> lol
[22:35] <dr_willis> got about 19gb of books here.. ;)
[22:36] <dr_willis> and 3 Kindel readers
[22:36] <Torikun> sup
[22:36] <DDave> not bad dr_willis :D
[22:36] <Torikun> wow
[22:36] <DDave> What kind of books?
[22:36] <booyaa> 50 shades ;)
[22:36] <DDave> FOr sure :D
[22:36] <DDave> its a good book
[22:36] <DDave> before I continue, is this channel "kid-safe"?
[22:36] <DDave> :D I dont want a kick :(
[22:37] <IT_Sean> Read the topic
[22:37] <Torikun> lol
[22:37] <DDave> Indeed... Do you know the "symptom" of never reading the _huge_ text?
[22:37] <dr_willis> Got lots of PC/Programing referance books.
[22:37] <Torikun> 50 shades of Pi
[22:37] <DDave> You read everything except! the big title :D
[22:37] <IT_Sean> Yes, this channel is 'kid-safe'
[22:37] <booyaa> Torikun: lets do this
[22:37] <IT_Sean> any adult content or swearing will result in a kick.
[22:37] <dr_willis> Got that Pi Ebook from amazon.. found it a bit.. err.. redundant.
[22:38] <booyaa> 50 shadier uses for your pi
[22:38] <DDave> IT_Sean, Which is good ;) We do not need that kind of language around here I guess
[22:38] <IT_Sean> indeed.
[22:38] <DDave> Well 50 shades is pretty ...weird :D Read a page or two, you'll know what I mean
[22:39] <dr_willis> 50 shades of an internet meme
[22:39] <johnc_> I think everybody knows
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[22:44] <gordonDrogon> Torikun, Heh.. just because you can, doesn't mean you have to!
[22:44] <Torikun> lol
[22:44] <Torikun> i got 3 Pi's and want them to make life cooler
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> Yea, go for Asterisk ;-)
[22:44] <Torikun> and more efficnent
[22:46] <DDave> asterisk is a massive headache though.
[22:46] <DDave> specially with nat :D
[22:46] <Torikun> lol
[22:46] <Torikun> yeah not doing that
[22:46] <Torikun> lol
[22:46] <johnc_> what's Asterisk?
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> I've spent years working with asterisk )-:
[22:46] <Torikun> internet telephone
[22:46] <Torikun> server
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> johnc_, it's a software PBX.
[22:47] <Torikun> VOIP
[22:47] <DDave> gordonDrogon, my deepest and most sincese coodolences :D
[22:47] <DDave> whops..typos everywhere :/
[22:47] <IT_Sean> lol
[22:47] <Torikun> Trixbox FTW
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> DDave, I get the drift... thanks.
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> trixbox is just asterisk with a pre-packaged set of front ends, ready to go.
[22:47] <Torikun> I hear it's way easier
[22:47] <DDave> noooo, that's the easy way to do stuff
[22:48] <DDave> Might consider elastix too then
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> I really do not suggest anyone ever goes into VoIP now.
[22:48] <booyaa> trying to go with a clean knstall of asterisk
[22:48] <DDave> gordonDrogon, how come?
[22:48] <booyaa> trixbox and freepbx are bloat wear
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[22:48] <booyaa> ware
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> I did asterisk fro scratch and developed my own pbx round it as I didn't like freepbx, etc.
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> DDave, a good way to lose money.
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[22:49] <gordonDrogon> actually, you can make money from it, but it's hard work.
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[22:49] <BigShip> hokay, speaking of makying life cooler/easier. Someone come buy my desktop and "old" laptop, plus all this other good condition crap I don't need. I just want my Pi, phone, and a laptop >_<. Maybe some pants too
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> I suppose I currently make money from it.
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[22:49] <IT_Sean> BigShip: what's the 'old laptop' ?
[22:50] <BigShip> Uh, lemme check
[22:50] <BigShip> HP Pavilion dv4 with an i3
[22:51] <IT_Sean> pass.
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[22:51] <BigShip> :(
[22:51] <IT_Sean> sorry.
[22:51] <DDave> BigShip, just ebay it! :)
[22:52] <IT_Sean> If it were an old ThinkPad, from the IBM era, i might have offered you on it. I fix them up and resell sometimes as a hobby.
[22:52] <BigShip> Yeah I should probably set up an ebay account. I'll most likely just use my university's buy/sell facebook page first
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[22:53] <BigShip> nah lol, I'm actually looking to move to lenovo. Tired of lugging around my desktop between school and home, dealing with monitors etc. Plus I don't like HP these days. The Pi will be replacing my desktop I think =P
[22:53] <IT_Sean> I love my lenovo ThinKPad. You cannot go wrong with one.
[22:53] <pw-> any suggestions for a powered usb hub brand?
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[22:53] <BigShip> ^what he said
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[22:57] <gordonDrogon> how do you unexport a variable in bash?
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> having a bit of a brain fade day.
[22:58] <bparker> unset FOO
[22:58] <booyaa> unset?
[22:58] <booyaa> snap
[22:59] <bparker> you mean booyaa? :p
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> unset. yes. doh.
[22:59] <booyaa> heh
[22:59] <booyaa> lol
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[23:00] <BigShip> did anyone have an answer for pw_'s question, "any suggestions for a powered usb hub brand?"
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> I'm using a LOGIK make - pc world special. works for me.
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[23:01] <mgottschlag> no-name hubs worked great for me so far (this one is sold in germany under the brand name xystec)
[23:02] <mgottschlag> the only thing I miss is usb hub power management - better hubs sometimes have functions to cut the power of one or multiple ports, that way one can hard-reset the pi
[23:02] <mgottschlag> (without plugging any cable)
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> So there's no easy way to tell if the right (kernel) i2c-dev.h file is installed on Linux (well debian) by the looks of it.
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> This is a bother.
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[23:13] <TLoFP> I am looking for good OEM display solutions for the RPi, what are some options? (already googled without satisfactory results)
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[23:16] <alexj> hello! any idea how can I make a custom build of the rasbian system?
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[23:26] <linuxstb> alexj: What do you want to customise? I would imagine the easiest way is to just modify a standard install and then create an image from it.
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[23:29] <alexj> for example a custom kernel
[23:29] <alexj> (with ipv6 compiled in, for example)
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[23:30] <chithead> the kernel sources can be downloaded from github
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[23:31] <alexj> yes, but how do I make a .bin image for it?
[23:32] <chithead> with the python imagetool which is also on github
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[23:33] <alexj> a link to the repo, please?
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[23:34] <chithead> it is all described in the wiki, with links to the git repositories http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation
[23:35] <ciboulette> could someone recommend an SD card to use with the Pi? from the wiki it seems that Adata works the best, but Kingston not very good?
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[23:39] <gordonDrogon> I have used Kingston Class 4's OK. (4GB)
[23:39] <alexj> can I mount the .img file and just edit the files?
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> theey were microSDs too.
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[23:40] <gordonDrogon> curently use Sandisk Ultra class 6's.
[23:40] <ciboulette> gordonDrogon: seems class 10 kingstons don't at all deliver 10Mb/s speeds with the Pi
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[23:41] <gordonDrogon> ciboulette, my kingsons deliver about 16MB/sec.
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> ciboulette, the Sandisks about 20MB/sec.
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[23:43] <ciboulette> gordonDrogon: hm, sandisks are pricy though
[23:43] <pfdotn> alexj: No, you won't be able to do that.
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[23:52] <gordonDrogon> ciboulette, think my sandisks were about a fiver each
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> looks like I can't get the Ultra C6's anymore...
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[23:57] <aphadke> old question - is it possible to get flash running on the pi so I can watch http://www.history.com/shows/ice-road-truckers ?
[23:57] <aphadke> i read a post where someone got flash to work, not sure if it has enough horsepower for playing videos
[23:58] <aphadke> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1556/why-wont-flash-player-on-chromium-work
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