#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-16

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <ciboulette> aphadke: flash video is legendarily CPU hungry, so i'm not sure that's a very good idea
[0:01] <aphadke> ciboulette: i was hoping to be able to watch videos on my tv via pi
[0:02] <ciboulette> aphadke: and even if you managed to get flash running on the Pi, i think you would find that very little would play without completely killing the processor
[0:03] <aphadke> god damn it
[0:03] <TomWij> aphadke: Bit pointless to run videos through a browser and flash, just run them native...
[0:03] <TomWij> 1080p playback here without problems...
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[0:05] <aphadke> TomWij: dont think its possible to run http://www.history.com/shows/ice-road-truckers/videos/ice-road-truckers-breaking-through#ice-road-truckers-breaking-through natively
[0:09] <steve_rox> i hate that show :-P
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[0:09] <alcaprawn> sup guys..
[0:09] <steve_rox> not much
[0:09] <alcaprawn> just powerd mine up.. after waiting a week, duno why i expect it to be a lil faster >.>
[0:10] <alcaprawn> guess it will do for a torrent or xbmc box tho :p
[0:10] <steve_rox> powered what up
[0:10] <alcaprawn> my raspberry ^^
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[0:10] <steve_rox> i used xbmc tonight for utube
[0:10] <alcaprawn> loaded fedora, up on the sdcard
[0:10] <steve_rox> still have some problem with it
[0:10] <alcaprawn> im gonna try it out.. later
[0:11] <steve_rox> when videos are allmost finished they freeze but sound continues
[0:11] <alcaprawn> >.<
[0:11] <alcaprawn> you can play youtube without flash
[0:11] <steve_rox> not sure what causes that
[0:11] <alcaprawn> on raspberry
[0:11] <alcaprawn> :P
[0:11] <alcaprawn> you just need to stream the cookies with mplayer and some other scripts..
[0:11] <steve_rox> i dont think xbmc uses flash to play utube
[0:11] <alcaprawn> i was testing it the other night on my pals
[0:12] <alcaprawn> nah just saying seen people having problems with it on the forum
[0:12] <steve_rox> oh
[0:12] <steve_rox> looks like its going to be another cold night
[0:12] <alcaprawn> yep -4 here..
[0:12] <alcaprawn> >.<
[0:12] <steve_rox> maybe should set bed on fire for max warmth
[0:13] <BigShip> overclock everything you have, surround your bed.
[0:13] <steve_rox> i got a hand warmer thing here :-)
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[0:13] <gordonDrogon> my electric blanket is on & I'm off to bed in a mo..
[0:14] <steve_rox> petrol hand warmer is best i can do :-P
[0:14] <steve_rox> should run many hours
[0:15] <steve_rox> actually used pi mumble server tonight for real purpose yay
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[0:18] <BigShip> what purpose?
[0:18] <roaster> ok, calling it a day, got my cross compiling platform setup
[0:18] <steve_rox> chatting with friend
[0:18] <BigShip> nice
[0:19] <steve_rox> allmostpassing out on this laptop
[0:19] <steve_rox> hope i dont sleep type
[0:19] <BigShip> rofl, hoping you do
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[0:20] * roaster ensures he's logging the night hehe
[0:20] <steve_rox> :-O
[0:20] <BigShip> ;)
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[0:22] <steve_rox> and i hope i dont punch lappy again in my sleep
[0:25] <BigShip> o.O
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[0:28] <alcaprawn> >.< dam wifi
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[1:07] <alcaprawn> sup guys
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[1:12] <rened> hi, I'm looking for a way to discover which interface is connected to internet or not with automatic script.
[1:13] <rened> Well I try to understand how to that theoretically.
[1:13] <rened> do I really need to ping a host outside of the network ?
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[1:16] <coldsoup> rened, does route give you the information you need in the Iface column?
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[1:21] <rikkib> ifconfig
[1:21] <rikkib> ah he has gone
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[1:24] <alcaprawn> wut?
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[1:36] <Coburn> Question.
[1:37] <Coburn> Does anyone know if I could compile a kernel for another machine on my current system?
[1:37] <Coburn> For example
[1:37] <Coburn> R-Pi is ARMv6
[1:37] <Coburn> Let's say my other machine is ARMv6
[1:37] <Coburn> Would it work, assuming I used the correct Kernel configs
[1:38] <coldsoup> Do you actually have an ARMv6 that you want to be compiling on?
[1:38] <coldsoup> It sounds like you want to use OpenEmbedded
[1:38] <coldsoup> http://blogs.distant-earth.com/wp/?p=377
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[1:51] * rikkib compiles for arm8 (STM32V) on i386 machine but not Linux... I use freeRTOS.
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[2:13] <Coburn> coldsoup
[2:14] <Coburn> actually, nvm
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[2:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Coburn, I was away and you probably figured it out, but yeah crosscompiling a kernel is very straight forward.
[2:15] <Coburn> Well
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[2:15] <Coburn> I wasn't really going to compile on R-Pi but I wanted to use it for example
[2:15] <Coburn> I have a Cubox, which is ARMv7 and a ODROID-U2 which is ARMv7
[2:16] <Coburn> Given I use the ODROID-U2 kernel Kconfig, everything should be fine, no?
[2:16] <Coburn> I know it's not R-Pi talk but
[2:16] <Coburn> this is where all the geeks are
[2:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Do you have a toolchain for crosscompiling?
[2:17] <ShiftPlusOne> and what are you compiling on?
[2:17] <Coburn> Debian
[2:17] <Coburn> naw, just use the ones shipped with Debian Wheezy
[2:17] <ShiftPlusOne> I meant x86 or another ARM?
[2:17] <Coburn> ARM
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[2:17] <Coburn> Compile Host is ARM, target is ARM
[2:17] <pksato> I think, need a correct drivers for SoC in question.
[2:17] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, then you're fine.
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[2:19] <Coburn> thanks ShiftPlusOne
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[2:26] <pksato> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Acorn-ARM-Evaluation-System.jpg
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[2:33] <TAFB> anyone got VLC player handy and could try out a network stream for me? :)
[2:33] <Coburn> sure
[2:33] <rikkib> I have lost contact with my test camera again... Second time in a month or so of running. The first time was not the fault of the RPi but I hub having its power turned off. What the cause of this outage I have no clue yet.
[2:33] <Torikun> Ship tafb
[2:33] <TAFB> rtsp://tafb.yi.org:554/0/1:1/sub
[2:33] <Torikun> On tablet now no vlc lol
[2:33] <TAFB> lol :)
[2:34] <Coburn> I see...
[2:34] <Coburn> omg chicks
[2:34] <TAFB> ??
[2:34] <Coburn> jk jk
[2:34] <TAFB> lol
[2:34] <Coburn> Gotcha there!
[2:34] <TAFB> let me know what you see change...
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[2:35] <Coburn> Connecting
[2:35] <mdszy> sj
[2:35] <mdszy> whoops
[2:35] <Coburn> Doesn't seem to be doing anything, TAFB
[2:35] <TAFB> hmmm :(
[2:36] <TAFB> maybe my bandwidth isn't enuff, I can't config the camera's bitrate so it's probably set too crazy
[2:36] <pksato> I dont have band.
[2:36] <pksato> or, no stream.
[2:36] <Coburn> is the port open?
[2:36] <UnaClocker> TAFB: I got my Lapdock up and running. Absolutely love it!
[2:36] <TAFB> yeah, should be.
[2:36] <Coburn> what's a lapdock?
[2:36] <TAFB> UnaClocker! AMAZING! Where are the damn pics?!
[2:37] <UnaClocker> TAFB: http://www.neonsquirt.com/lapdock2.jpg
[2:37] <TAFB> and how did you figure out the magic alien screen switch!?
[2:37] <TAFB> sweeeeeeet pic
[2:37] <TAFB> what's it look like running?!
[2:37] <Coburn> holy smokes batman
[2:37] <UnaClocker> Mmm, haven't taken a picture of that yet.. :)
[2:38] <TAFB> get on it
[2:38] <UnaClocker> magic alien screen switch? I found the almost hidden battery life button.. Very handy.
[2:38] <TAFB> the lapdock has a built in USB hub?
[2:38] <Torikun> Nice dock
[2:38] <UnaClocker> Yup.
[2:38] <TAFB> nice
[2:38] <Coburn> Torikun: one thing I forgot to ask
[2:38] <Coburn> are you a girl?
[2:38] <UnaClocker> Torikun: $40, brand new..
[2:38] <Torikun> No
[2:38] <Coburn> Ah
[2:38] <TAFB> rofl
[2:38] <Torikun> Why
[2:38] <Torikun> Lol
[2:38] <Coburn> because I thought the name sounded girlish
[2:39] <Coburn> carry on
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[2:39] <Torikun> Nickname from when I lived in japan
[2:40] <Coburn> TAFB: Could not read from resource.
[2:40] * xtr3m3 (~diligentn@unaffiliated/xtr3m3) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
[2:40] <Coburn> That's Totem error
[2:40] <Coburn> VLC does jack shit
[2:40] <Coburn> check ports
[2:40] <rikkib> TAFB, Runs here but with short breaks
[2:40] <TAFB> rikkib: oh damn, it can only handle 1 user! too many rpi peeps trying to connect in :) lol
[2:41] <TAFB> rikkib: glad to kno it's workin :)
[2:41] <rikkib> I am off
[2:41] <rikkib> How are you streaming?
[2:42] <Torikun> Tafb use znc?
[2:42] <Coburn> Torikun: what's up with ZNC?
[2:42] <TAFB> rikkib: that stream is coming right from inside the ip camera :)
[2:42] <Torikun> Zinc rules
[2:42] <rikkib> ahhh
[2:42] <Coburn> ZNC = No bull
[2:43] <Torikun> I can host a bouncer for free
[2:43] <Torikun> Lol
[2:45] <Torikun> Anyone want free irc bouncer hosting powered by rpi lol
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[2:45] * du looks up from reading hacker weekly e-zine
[2:45] <du> yeah, i???ll uh... take one.
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[2:45] <rikkib> irc is dead
[2:46] <Torikun> Use zinc before du?
[2:46] <Torikun> I mean znc
[2:46] <du> let me get a shell while your at it
[2:46] <Torikun> Lol
[2:46] <du> someting funny?
[2:47] <Torikun> I don't do shells lol
[2:47] <Coburn> rikkib: if IRC is dead, we wouldn't be talking here ;)
[2:47] <rikkib> I signed off irc a few years ago. I used it from about 1998.
[2:47] <Torikun> This is yahoo chat I thought
[2:48] <rikkib> Only returned due to this chan
[2:48] <Torikun> Rikikb lots of activity in #ubuntu lol
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[2:48] <rikkib> One of the original ops Undernet #linuxhelp
[2:49] <du> undernet? there???s your problem
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[2:49] * rikkib uses Debian
[2:50] <rikkib> Slack originally
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[2:55] <ShiftPlusOne> UnaClocker, does your lapdock's hdmi input take all of the weight there, or do you have some sort of mount there?
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[2:57] <UnaClocker> It's taking all the weight.
[2:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Not worried?
[2:57] <ShiftPlusOne> it feels pretty flimsey
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[2:57] <UnaClocker> It was meant to hold a cell phone, they weigh a lot more than a Pi.
[2:57] <ShiftPlusOne> but the dock fits the cell phone nicely and distributes the weight in that little cradle bit.
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[2:58] <UnaClocker> A bit.. So I call it a wash.
[2:58] <ShiftPlusOne> hm =/
[2:59] <UnaClocker> Not getting any audio with Pianobar right now.. Odd..
[3:00] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Have you had audio from it before on this installation?
[3:01] <UnaClocker> Nope, fresh install.
[3:01] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Have you done the modprobe for the audio?
[3:02] <ParkerR> sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835
[3:03] <ParkerR> Also after that run sudo alsactl init
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[3:04] <pksato> audio from hmdi or jack?
[3:04] <UnaClocker> Did both those, same deal..
[3:04] <UnaClocker> pksato: Yes.
[3:05] <pksato> ah?
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[3:05] <UnaClocker> I can hear the plugged in speakers hissing when the music is playing, but it's not coming out them, or the HDMI speakers.
[3:06] <pksato> volume, alsamixer
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[3:06] <ParkerR> Yeah run alsamixer
[3:06] <ParkerR> Make sure the main channel isnt muted and the volume is up
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[3:07] <pksato> If display is over HDMI, audio is switched to.
[3:08] <UnaClocker> Yeah, weird.. The volume controls on the lapdock aren't working either.. Something is fishy..
[3:08] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, You have a lapdock with volume control? O.o
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Maybe all that force exerted on that flimsy connector has messed up the audio pins >.>
[3:08] <ParkerR> The Atrix one doesn't have any control for that
[3:08] <ParkerR> Just on the Pi
[3:09] <UnaClocker> I see speaker volume icons on the buttons above the enter key..
[3:09] <ParkerR> Oh
[3:09] <ParkerR> That wont do anythong
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[3:09] <UnaClocker> ShiftPlusOne: It's a digital data connection, it's all or nothing.
[3:09] <ParkerR> Depends on the device attached
[3:09] <pksato> soft volume control.
[3:09] <ParkerR> Which the phone would take care of
[3:09] <UnaClocker> Ahh, that explains that..
[3:10] <axion> alsamixer?
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[3:10] <pksato> or, audio not over hdmi
[3:10] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Try adding hdmi_drive=2 to /boot/config.txt
[3:10] <ParkerR> * hdmi)drive = 2
[3:10] <ParkerR> Gaah
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[3:10] <UnaClocker> I tried alsamixer, turned it all the way up. Tried plugging normal speakers into the analog port. No sound there either.
[3:11] <ParkerR> hdmi_drive = 2
[3:11] <ParkerR> Forces HDMI audio
[3:11] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: Ok.
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[3:11] <pksato> sudo amixer cset numid=3 2
[3:11] <axion> UnaClocker: even if its all the way up, it could still be muted. did you check?
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> UnaClocker, heh, I know. Did it work before and suddenly stop working?
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> And is it just pianobar or everything?
[3:11] <UnaClocker> The touchpad on this thing is infuriating! Can't get my wrists anywhere near it without it clicking.
[3:12] <UnaClocker> axion: Where's the mute option?
[3:12] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, tap m in alsamixer
[3:12] <axion> press M in alsamixer with a slider selected and it will toggle it on or off
[3:12] <ParkerR> On the selected channel
[3:12] <ParkerR> You will see the percent value below the bar change
[3:12] <UnaClocker> Ahh, yeah, not muted.
[3:13] <axion> which card does alsamixer show as active?
[3:13] <ParkerR> My obligatory Lapdock video :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc1-kOtgdVw
[3:13] <UnaClocker> Rebooting with the HDMI drive changed.
[3:13] <Coburn> HDMI drive?
[3:14] <Coburn> We can get HDDs that plug into HDMI ports? O.o
[3:14] <axion> hdmi_drive is a boot option
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[3:15] <Coburn> what does it do?
[3:15] <ParkerR> <ParkerR> hdmi_drive = 2
[3:15] <ParkerR> <ParkerR> Forces HDMI audio
[3:16] <axion> specifies the mode to drive hdmi
[3:16] <Coburn> Ah
[3:16] <UnaClocker> That did the trick!
[3:16] <UnaClocker> Thanks Parker. :)
[3:16] <axion> awesome
[3:16] <ParkerR> No problem
[3:17] <UnaClocker> Sounds about as good as a cell phone.. ;)
[3:18] <ParkerR> Yeah
[3:18] <ParkerR> I mentioned the crappy audio in my video
[3:18] <UnaClocker> Yeah, could be worse..
[3:18] <ParkerR> Better than nothing but pretty bad
[3:18] <UnaClocker> I'm used to it, I have a MacBook Air..
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[3:18] <axion> i'm sorry for your loss
[3:18] <UnaClocker> Audio just comes out of nowhere from it..
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[3:19] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, It's under the keyboard on the Air
[3:19] <UnaClocker> Yeah, that makes sense, that's about where it seems to come from.. It's NEVER loud enough..
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[3:26] <UnaClocker> Anyone got a GUI audio mixer app for Debian that sits in the task bar?
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[3:27] <UnaClocker> ie, normal volume control...
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[3:27] <axion> depends what taskbar you are using
[3:28] <UnaClocker> I downloaded the standard distro from the Pi foundation.
[3:28] <UnaClocker> Raspbian based.
[3:28] <axion> i am not familiar with which linux software is installed by default in raspian
[3:29] <UnaClocker> I'll keep googling..
[3:31] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, alsamixergui
[3:31] <ParkerR> But it is just something you run. Not an applet
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[3:31] <UnaClocker> Ok, that's a start.
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[3:36] <axion> weechat-curses
[3:37] <ParkerR> axion, Wrong window :P
[3:37] <aDro> BCM2046 :(
[3:38] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, sudo apt-get install volti
[3:38] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: Sweet, thanks..
[3:38] <UnaClocker> Got a few other mixers installing at the moment.. :)
[3:38] <UnaClocker> Soon as they're done.. ;)
[3:41] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Hold off on that
[3:42] <ParkerR> Thought it was working
[3:42] <UnaClocker> heh, already done.
[3:44] <UnaClocker> heh, it'll be busy for awhile now.. Installing Arduino.. Which pulls in java and about 100 other packages..
[3:45] <ParkerR> Wth
[3:45] <ParkerR> After updating to the latest firmware and kernel I lost everything in alsamixer
[3:45] <ParkerR> Only a PCM channel
[3:45] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I only had the master output..
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[3:48] <ParkerR> Sound works and the PCM adjust it but since the channel isnt labeled "Master" volti fusses
[3:48] <ParkerR> *adjusts
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[3:49] <rikkib> Hmmm watchdog timer is a dangerous thing
[3:50] <UnaClocker> rikkib: It's a tool.. :) It has a place.
[3:50] <dfaler> Yes, they usually are only for when having a device go down is even more dangerous.
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[3:51] <rikkib> I configure it wrong or something and the machine kept rebooting
[3:51] <passstab> what is acceptable variation for the RPI power supply?
[3:51] <rikkib> Had to pull the sd card and disable it by changing the perms on the init.d file
[3:51] <ParkerR> Anywhere from 800mAh to 2 or 3 A
[3:52] <UnaClocker> I wouldn't want it to be less than 4.8v, or more than 5.2v, but I think the standard is 5%..
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[3:52] <UnaClocker> I set my adjustable supply to 5.1v...
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[3:56] <UnaClocker> Man, this Pi seems to run a lot faster than I remember it running in the past.
[3:56] <Torikun> Arch?
[3:56] <UnaClocker> Raspbian
[3:57] <aDro> Is it running warmmer?
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[3:58] * UnaClocker shrugs.
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[3:58] <UnaClocker> Now if I could just sync my dropbox on this thing..
[3:59] <Torikun> CX an you?
[3:59] <ParkerR> One more thing to slow it down :P
[3:59] <ParkerR> Torikun, Yeah
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[3:59] <Torikun> Nice
[3:59] <ParkerR> Oh well Im sure theres an arm port
[3:59] <Torikun> Install znc
[3:59] <ParkerR> Why?
[4:00] <ParkerR> I'm already using a bouncer
[4:00] <Torikun> Awesome
[4:00] <Torikun> Oh
[4:00] <Torikun> Ok
[4:00] <ParkerR> Dont need one on the Pi :P
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[4:02] <rikkib> Hmmm sent the machine into lala land and the watchdog has not teleported it back to the real world
[4:02] <ParkerR> Watchdog?
[4:02] <ParkerR> Lala land?
[4:02] <UnaClocker> Dillo is freakin worthless
[4:03] <axion> UnaClocker: for a lightweight browser try xombrero or midori
[4:03] <ParkerR> Or netsurf
[4:03] <axion> or uzbl
[4:04] <UnaClocker> Yeah, Dillo makes Midori look like an elephant.. But yeah..
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[4:04] <axion> xombrero is very nice
[4:04] <Torikun> Chromne over ssh ftw
[4:04] <axion> read about its awesome security features
[4:04] <UnaClocker> They have Dillo setup as the default browser on the official distro for some reason.. I can't even get it to pull up a site.
[4:04] <axion> google with more of my data ftl
[4:04] <rikkib> To send the RPi into lala land ": (){ :|:& };:" Don't try this unless you want to reboot your RPi.
[4:04] <ParkerR> Does xombrero have javascript support?
[4:04] <axion> yes
[4:05] <ParkerR> Ohh
[4:05] <ParkerR> rikkib, Not really lala land just a farkbomb
[4:05] <rikkib> http://pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/post/001-who-watches-the-watcher
[4:05] <ParkerR> *forkbomb
[4:05] <ParkerR> Spawns tasks until the host crashes
[4:05] <ParkerR> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb
[4:07] <rikkib> I obviously need to do something else to make the watchdog go
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[4:10] <ParkerR> I don't understand why you need to do that at all rikkib
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[4:11] <rikkib> Because I want to run high availability security cameras
[4:12] <Torikun> I wish pacemaker was available
[4:12] <Torikun> For ha
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[4:43] <ParkerR> Torikun, For ha?
[4:43] <Torikun> for HA
[4:43] <Torikun> High availability
[4:43] * ParkerR has no clue what is going on
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[4:45] <Torikun> just application failover between pies
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[4:45] <ParkerR> High availability as in always running?
[4:46] <Torikun> yup
[4:46] <Torikun> if one machine dies, the other will start it
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[4:47] <Coburn> can someone tell me how to make a tarbomb?
[4:47] <Torikun> that exists?
[4:47] <Torikun> lol
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[4:48] <aDro> tarball?
[4:48] <Coburn> yeah
[4:48] <Coburn> it's a tarball that gets looped
[4:48] <Coburn> and thus
[4:48] <Coburn> fills up your HDD
[4:48] <aDro> you mean a package that keeps expanding?
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[4:48] <Torikun> i could make a perl script that does that
[4:48] <Coburn> yeah
[4:49] <Coburn> no stopping it
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[4:49] <aDro> Coburn: Why?
[4:49] <Coburn> kicks
[4:49] <Coburn> untar this, it'll make your computer go faster!
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[4:49] <aDro> Seems malicious
[4:50] <Coburn> true but then all one has to do is rm file it make
[4:50] <Coburn> made*
[4:50] <alexhairyman> I feel like google could help you out
[4:51] <aDro> 42.zip
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[4:55] <axion> a tarbomb does not have to loop, but just extract many files into the current working directory, rather than properly in its own directory
[4:57] <aDro> Look up 42.zip and that will explain it.
[4:57] <aDro> Or here www.unforgettable.dk
[4:57] <dr_willis> not sure how a tar file woild loop...
[4:57] <aDro> DO NOT DOWNLOAD the zip file
[4:57] <aDro> Just don't
[4:58] <dr_willis> its a zipped tar?
[4:58] <dr_willis> ;)
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[4:59] <Gordio> tar cf /in.tar /dev/root
[5:00] * Gordio [-_-]
[5:01] <dr_willis> some how ages ago i made a tar archive and moved files in to it.. and some how it moved its self into it.. then deleted itself...
[5:01] <dr_willis> ;)
[5:01] * alexhairyman slow claps
[5:02] <dr_willis> wholey self referering regular explressions batman!
[5:03] <axion> its called file clobbering, and i dont think it is possible with tar anymore
[5:03] <dr_willis> this was years ago
[5:03] <axion> i caught that
[5:04] <dr_willis> i always 'move/verify/then delete' now a days. ;)
[5:04] <dr_willis> well copy, verify, delete
[5:06] <axion> it is even imppossible to do rm -rf / these days without an extra parameter
[5:06] <coldsoup> try it ;-)
[5:06] <axion> [axion@axbook:~]$ rm -rf /
[5:06] <axion> rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on ???/???
[5:06] <axion> rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe
[5:06] <coldsoup> well that could have been a fun one
[5:07] <axion> ive done it many times in my 15 years of linux...stopped working maybe 3 years ago
[5:07] <axion> hehe
[5:07] <dr_willis> nothing like an extra space in a command that accidently deletes your whole system. ;)
[5:07] <coldsoup> you can still do lots of nasty things though. Pretty sure you can do recursive chmods/chowns on /
[5:08] <UnaClocker> I've tried rm -rf /, and it doesn't work.
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[5:08] <coldsoup> at least I did it on /usr a few months ago. That was ugly
[5:08] <dr_willis> coldsoup: yep. seen that done befor..'
[5:08] <UnaClocker> Too many files are in use, it quickly errors out.
[5:08] <alexhairyman> still could wreak a little havoc
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[5:09] <axion> nothing your backup wont fix
[5:09] <axion> you _do_have a backup, right? ;)
[5:09] <coldsoup> backup?
[5:09] <jph_> i'm stuck on red pwr but no hdmi/composite out. Will a serial connector be useful to debug the prob?
[5:09] <UnaClocker> Same way you image the SD for the Pi, you can backup the SD by reversing the command.
[5:10] <UnaClocker> jph_: Not likely. Try the composite out jack.
[5:10] <axion> or tar itself. that way extraction is not fragmented by storing zeros too
[5:10] <jph_> UnaClocker: tried composite out... no dice there either. Wondering if serial connection will show me if it's a pre-boot, ie SD issue
[5:11] <coldsoup> UnaClocker, I know, I was just being silly. And this happened on my main PC anyway
[5:11] <jph_> will serial work even if there's no SD card?
[5:11] <axion> no
[5:11] <jph_> ie... to sow if it even gets as far as looking for an SD?
[5:11] <axion> sd is needed to configure the arm
[5:11] <UnaClocker> No, it's not a JTAG interface.
[5:11] <axion> the cpu is not even booted with no sd
[5:11] <jph_> hrmm
[5:11] <jph_> well i guess i need to hunt for multimeter to see if it's a power issue... or try a known working sd card
[5:12] <UnaClocker> jph_: I understand where you're coming from, the Sheevaplug and other ARM machines work like that, but that's a JTAG interface on those..
[5:12] <UnaClocker> Yeah, try another SD, I've run into that problem with a bad SD..
[5:13] <jph_> Should i be seeing the green ACT flashing even if it's only microusb power + sd connected?
[5:13] <UnaClocker> Yeah.
[5:13] <jph_> and is there much delay between power to ACT?
[5:14] <UnaClocker> Not really.. 2 seconds or less..
[5:14] <jph_> hrmm
[5:14] <jph_> well back to the drawing board then... i have two units showing similar red pwr / nothing else
[5:15] <jph_> think i'll focus on trying diff sd cards and maybe a different write technique
[5:15] <jph_> (oh and i have seen the elinux wiki page on troubleshooting and the verified sd card page) :)
[5:17] <axion> ensure the sd card is firmly inserted and that the proper boot files are present on a fat partition
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[5:19] <jph_> so there should be a visible fat partition on the sd card?
[5:20] <axion> indeed. the image you chose to download should have extracted a fat partition
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[5:23] <jph_> well that might be the issue... i dont recall seeing any fat partitions ... but i'm on linux, so maybe they just hvaent automounted
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[5:24] <dr_willis> normal rasbian sd card image here is about a 20mb vfat partion i think. then the rest on a / on my sd cards
[5:24] <dr_willis> let me doubkle check
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[5:25] <dr_willis> yea. a vfat and a ext4
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[5:28] <jph_> ahh... using parted... looks like the image/partition table isn't correct
[5:29] <jph_> oh i think i know what i did wrong
[5:30] <jph_> i did dd to /dev/mmcblk0p1 instead of /dev/mmcblk0
[5:30] <jph_> let me check to verify
[5:31] <dr_willis> ;) that would goof things up
[5:31] <axion> that would do it
[5:31] <jph_> might be worth a wiki update for future dufus' like me
[5:31] <jph_> or maybe i just needed to read slower :)
[5:32] <dr_willis> its just one little # different! ;)
[5:33] <dr_willis> ive helped people in ubuntu and told them over and over to use /dev/sdb and they still insisted on using sdb1 in the past...
[5:33] <dr_willis> for simielr tasks
[5:34] <jph_> last night i was scrambling around blaming different speed cards, etc
[5:34] <dr_willis> :)
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[5:34] <jph_> well, it's usually the most simple, obvious thing... I trusted that I followed the wiki instructions correctly... which I hadnt
[5:35] <dr_willis> its still neat how some of the Pi OSs you can just copy the files straight to a sd card thats vfat and they do all the work
[5:35] <jph_> i also stressed out thinking i'd already shorted it... since it's cold and static is increased
[5:35] <ParkerR> dr_willis, They do basically what you are doing just live on the Pi
[5:36] <ParkerR> It creates the partitions while the image already has them built in
[5:36] <dr_willis> Static. ;) I pet my Pomerianian and he gets all puffed up... now thats static...
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[5:36] * dr_willis watchs his dog float around the room.
[5:36] <steve_rox> defensive measure
[5:36] <steve_rox> like the puffer fish
[5:37] <dr_willis> Static cling.
[5:38] <dr_willis> rub the puppy down with a dryer sheet. ;)
[5:38] <steve_rox> :-P
[5:38] <jph_> huzzah! green lights!
[5:38] <steve_rox> neeed anti static dog wristband
[5:39] * jph_ doffs his hat to the helpful folks
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[6:15] <rikkib> The ping feature seems not to work
[6:15] <rikkib> watchdog
[6:19] <sheldor> hey is there anybody here?
[6:19] <sheldor> i found a weird entry in my .asoundrc
[6:19] <sheldor> pcm.hdmi_hw {
[6:19] <sheldor> type hw
[6:19] <ParkerR> sheldor, How is that weird?
[6:19] <sheldor> card 0
[6:19] <sheldor> device 3
[6:19] <sheldor> }
[6:19] <sheldor> device 3 ???????!?!?!?!
[6:20] <ParkerR> *shrugs*
[6:20] <sheldor> does the rpi really have 4 devices? (indices start at 0)
[6:20] <ParkerR> Does audio work?
[6:20] <sheldor> i doubt it
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[6:20] <sheldor> i want to know the number of the hdmi audio output
[6:20] <sheldor> no
[6:20] <ParkerR> Well HDMI audio is device 2
[6:20] <sheldor> not in general
[6:20] <ParkerR> So try that
[6:20] <sheldor> doesnt work in emulationstation and in the xbmc menu
[6:20] <sheldor> and is generally choppy and noisy
[6:20] <sheldor> ParkerR: are you sure it is 2?
[6:20] <ParkerR> Yes
[6:21] <sheldor> and by device 2 you mean index 1 or index 2?
[6:21] <ParkerR> After you change the number just sudo service alsa restart
[6:21] <ParkerR> Like change it to "device 2"
[6:21] <sheldor> thanks ParkerR
[6:21] <sheldor> interseting
[6:22] <sheldor> so it has 3 devices. device 0, device 1, device 2
[6:22] <ParkerR> Well
[6:22] <sheldor> what is the third device next to hdmi and jack?
[6:22] <ParkerR> It may not start at 0
[6:22] <s5fs> good evening everyone
[6:22] <sheldor> i mean the audio jack on the board
[6:22] <sheldor> not the jack audio linux driver
[6:22] <sheldor> hi
[6:22] <ParkerR> sheldor, audio jack is 3
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[6:22] <ParkerR> Oooh
[6:22] <ParkerR> That might be why
[6:22] <sheldor> ParkerR: it does start at 0
[6:23] <ParkerR> Oh wait nvm
[6:23] <ParkerR> The audio jack is 1
[6:23] <sheldor> ParkerR: dude, are you pulling all that out of somewhere?
[6:23] <sheldor> ParkerR: what is your source?
[6:23] <ParkerR> I was thinking of amixer cset numid=3 1
[6:23] <ParkerR> sheldor, I said nvm
[6:23] <rikkib> amixer --help
[6:23] <sheldor> im just interested in why you think all that ParkerR
[6:24] <sheldor> this isnt an amixer question
[6:24] <sheldor> i am talking about ~/.asoundrc
[6:24] <ParkerR> sheldor, Because when you set hdmi_drive =2 in /boot/config.txt that is setting the device you want audio to output on
[6:24] <ParkerR> 2 being HDMI if you want it to go there
[6:24] <sheldor> hmm
[6:25] <ParkerR> SO I assume it is the same numbers
[6:25] <sheldor> but what does the numid=3 1 stand for?
[6:25] <sheldor> i mean the 3 and the 1?
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[6:25] <sheldor> 3rd device on 1st card
[6:25] <sheldor> which would mean card 0 device 2 with 0-starting indices
[6:25] <ParkerR> sheldor, numid=3 is something like "output to this device" and 1 being the audio jack
[6:25] <ParkerR> 1 being the device number
[6:25] <ParkerR> Not 3
[6:25] <sheldor> hm
[6:26] <sheldor> okay
[6:26] <sheldor> weird
[6:26] <sheldor> fucking linux
[6:26] <sheldor> sry
[6:26] <ParkerR> " ** No Foul Language ** "
[6:26] <sheldor> ParkerR: btw sudo service alsa restart: "unrecognized service"
[6:27] <ParkerR> sheldor, Try tabbing after typing alsa
[6:27] <ParkerR> sudo service alsa<tab>
[6:27] <ParkerR> Then restart
[6:27] <sheldor> there is only alsa-utils
[6:27] <ParkerR> Thats it
[6:27] <sheldor> okay
[6:27] <ParkerR> And see if it reloaded the config (ie try playing some audio)
[6:28] <ParkerR> I may be comepletely wrong but it's worth giving a shot
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[6:28] <ParkerR> *completely
[6:31] <sheldor> ParkerR: this is really weird
[6:31] <sheldor> i tried device 0, device 1, device 2, device 3
[6:32] <sheldor> for all numbers except for 0 i got the error "ALSA failed to initialize device" in retroarch
[6:32] <sheldor> ParkerR: for 0 i did not get the error, but i did not get sound either, AND the game froze
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[6:32] <sheldor> i had to reboot
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[6:37] <jph_> dear case makers... it'd be awesome if there was a case with a built-in LCD
[6:38] <s5fs> nice, got serial console working
[6:38] <s5fs> also fixed an 8gig card that i couldn't get booting, fdisk magic!
[6:38] <s5fs> however, my angstrom build didn't boot, but at least i know it's not the card
[6:38] <piney> would be nice to see them start on the lcd module and release the camera module
[6:38] <ParkerR> Ogod The Google Doodle for today
[6:38] <ParkerR> Zamboni Simulator 2013
[6:41] <sheldor> is the sudo amixer cset numid=3 n thing permanent?
[6:41] <sheldor> or would i have to do it after every reboot
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[6:41] <dr_willis> try it and see
[6:41] <ParkerR> sheldor, Yes
[6:41] <ParkerR> Permanent
[6:42] <ParkerR> Until you run it again
[6:42] <sheldor> thanks
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[6:47] <notori0us> part
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[7:07] <njoubert> Hi guys - I'm trying to configure the EDIMAX wifi adapter on the latest wheezy raspbian image. Does anyone have a good tutorial for how to do this from the command line, so that the Pi connects to your home wifi on boot?
[7:07] <Macer> i have to get my 3rd raspberry pi going as a web server soon
[7:08] <Macer> wonder what eyeos looks like nowadays. i haven't tried it in a while
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[7:08] <dr_willis> hmm. i just used the rasbian gui tools. then it works even if i dont start the gui
[7:08] <Macer> eyeos3 looked good
[7:08] <dr_willis> all it did was make a proper config file in /etc/somthing-i-cant-remeber
[7:08] <dr_willis> ;)
[7:08] <dr_willis> neverf heard of eyeos
[7:09] <Macer> oh... it's like some opensource collaboration thing
[7:09] <Macer> there was another one i was messing with that was pretty awesoem too but i can't remember the name
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[7:10] <Macer> like groupware type web based stuff
[7:10] <Macer> it wasn't too bad just a bit buggy
[7:10] <Macer> eyeos2 was pretty good tho.. but 3 was better
[7:11] <Macer> just buggy
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[9:20] <wishi> hey, I have a question in regards to the possible devices for the raspi on hdmi -> vga converters
[9:20] <wishi> I read some of them need too much power?
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[9:21] <ParkerR> wishi, That coverters usually have their own power supply
[9:21] <ParkerR> Haven't heard of one powering via HDMI
[9:21] <ParkerR> *Those converters
[9:22] <wishi> ParkerR: I never had one before... so I was going to ask for experiences. amazon.de has this one http://www.amazon.de/Ligawo-Konverter-Converter-Wandler-digital/dp/B004B65KXQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358324111&sr=8-1 - looks like it has ext. power.
[9:22] <jelly1> wishi: you really don't have a better monitor?
[9:23] <wishi> jelly1: I have a beamer and it has one hdmi, which I use for my pc output.
[9:23] <dr_willis> what is the cost of a hdm > vga converter anyway?
[9:24] <wishi> 30 bucks, not the issue. I will use this converter to be able to use the VGA inputs anyhow (for my old laptops)
[9:24] <mjr> probably around as much as the pi itself at least
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[9:24] <wishi> I just decided to buy one, that works for the raspi too
[9:24] <dr_willis> wait.. is this a HDMI TO vga or vga TO hdmi>
[9:25] <ParkerR> HDMI to VGA to use a VGA monitor
[9:25] <ParkerR> I assume
[9:25] <mjr> yeah sounds like wishi thinks the same converter will work both ways. It won't.
[9:25] <dr_willis> ;)
[9:25] <dr_willis> thats how i got the general gist also..
[9:25] <wishi> mjr: oh...
[9:25] <ParkerR> The picture has "HDMI input" and "VGA output"
[9:26] <wishi> damn
[9:26] <wishi> thanks :-)
[9:26] <jelly1> not much monitors are vga these days though
[9:26] <ParkerR> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61qAE02hJrL._AA1500_.jpg
[9:26] <jelly1> j U
[9:26] <dr_willis> i still see vga on a lot of TVs - more then i do pc monitors
[9:26] <wishi> no, my issue is a beamer. most often beamers for ~ 400 Euro have just one HDMI and 3-4 VGA. Dunno why...
[9:27] <jelly1> cool it has audio out
[9:27] <ParkerR> Beamer?
[9:27] <ParkerR> Projector?
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[9:27] <wishi> yes, projector
[9:27] <ParkerR> Ahh
[9:27] <wishi> we Germans have different english words for those devices than the rest of the world
[9:28] <jelly1> nah we call them beamers too
[9:28] <wishi> confusing sometimes ;)
[9:28] <Triffid_Hunter> wishi: heh "beamer" here means a BMW car
[9:28] <jelly1> thats just slang
[9:28] <dr_willis> Triffid_Hunter: thats what i thought also.. ;)
[9:29] <dr_willis> i wont say what other things we call beamers around here.. ;P
[9:29] <nextime> beamer (for my common usage) is more related to laser projectors (but my english isn't great and i know beamer it's ok for "normal" projectors too )
[9:30] <Dyskette> 'beamer' means BMW to me.
[9:30] <jelly1> weird
[9:30] <wishi> well... I drive a Volvo ;)
[9:30] <aDro> Tell me more
[9:30] <dr_willis> we all know a Beamer is a Star treck Engineer! as in Beam me up Scotty!
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[9:32] <nextime> dr_willis : we all know that is star trek, not treck :P
[9:32] <wishi> joke is on you :-)
[9:33] <wishi> reminds me of the latest big bang theory episode :-)
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[9:34] <dr_willis> You saw a lot of beamers? :)
[9:36] * nextime is a (by study but not profesionally) a theorical physicist
[9:36] <nextime> so, my approach to beamers is deviated :P
[9:37] <dr_willis> So you are a theorical theorical physicist
[9:38] <nextime> a sort of, yes
[9:38] <nextime> :D
[9:38] <nextime> as in theory reality is equal to theory, but in real it isn't
[9:38] <dr_willis> I cant recall ever seeing just a physicist
[9:39] <nextime> oh, i know some of them
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[9:48] <Andy1978> I have some problems with my keyboard (lost characters on the shell) when eth0 is under heavy load. I've read that there are some bugs in the driver module for the SMSC LAN9512 USB and Ethernet controller chip. Is there something I can do so far?
[9:49] <jelly1> don't think you can fix hardware bugs
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[9:50] <gordonDrogon> Andy1978, don't use it under 'heavy load' ...
[9:52] <Andy1978> jelly1: Why hardware bug?
[9:52] <Andy1978> gordonDrogon: Haha, good one
[9:52] <nextime> as i know isn't exactly an hw bug, more an hw compromise
[9:53] <jelly1> dirty fix
[9:53] <nextime> as ethernet and usb ports are on the same bus and they suffer for limited bandwidth
[9:53] <nextime> or something like that
[9:54] <SpeedEvil> it's not heavy traffic
[9:54] <mgottschlag> but on a normal computer, you can also run a keyboard and an ethernet controller on the same usb bus without problems
[9:54] <SpeedEvil> I was getting it with only IRC on the box active
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[9:54] <SpeedEvil> the USB controller - or its driver - sucks
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> sub-optimal...
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> the hardware is probably sound - for what it was designed for - which was a set-top box that might be connected to a LAN with the occasional usb stick plugged in for media playing...
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> lots of compromises in a $35 computer... )-:
[9:57] <jelly1> yeah look at the proc :D
[9:57] <SpeedEvil> I'm not agreeing, if the USB controller hardware can't handle minimal loads without at times throwing errors
[9:57] <SpeedEvil> sucks
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> how do you know it's the hardware though?
[9:58] <SpeedEvil> if
[9:59] <SpeedEvil> plus, hardware makers that produce their own driver without providing USB controller docs get little sympathy either way
[9:59] <SpeedEvil> if the driver sucks, it's their fault too.
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[10:17] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, it's the hardware
[10:17] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, it has some limitations which are tricky to work around in software
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[10:20] <gordonDrogon> we'll just have to put up with it then.
[10:21] <ShiftPlusOne> The foundation folk keep saying they're working on it, and it has improved a lot since release, so I don't think it's impossible to "fix", it's just not pretty from what I gather.
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[10:22] <enthusi> Hi, any suggestions what is preferable then? USB HUB on one port and which device on the other?
[10:22] <enthusi> mouse, kb, external drive?
[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Whatever works
[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> probably not the external drive
[10:22] <xzr> dont have to have anything there if your hub has enough ports
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[10:22] <gordonDrogon> yea, but the external drive is probably better off on the hub with power.
[10:23] <enthusi> hm, good point :)
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[10:23] <gordonDrogon> (unless it has separate power)
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[10:27] <savagecroc> hey is it possible to add on chips to the pi board?
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[10:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Depends on what you mean exactly.
[10:28] <savagecroc> specifically 3G, tpm and a bunch of inputs
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[10:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Through gpio, yes. You're probably better of using a hub and a 3g dongle through usb though.
[10:29] <savagecroc> hmmm USB dongles are expensive
[10:29] <ShiftPlusOne> But it would depend on the exact chip and how you plan to hook it up.
[10:29] <ShiftPlusOne> And I don't know enough about tpm to comment about that exactly.
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> you could do 3g via the uart, but it would be a shade slow (relatively speaking)
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> 115200 baud is only 100Kb/sec - usable for email, but not much else these days...
[10:30] <savagecroc> well normally
[10:30] <savagecroc> you build these chips onto the board
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> have you seen the board?
[10:30] <savagecroc> i'm not quite sure how chips become "extensions"
[10:30] <enthusi> 115200 baud is only 100Kb/sec ??
[10:31] <ShiftPlusOne> There's no PCI slot if that's what you mean =p
[10:31] <enthusi> 14 KB/s
[10:31] <savagecroc> gordonDrogon: the rasberri pi? yeah.. i've been looking at the pics
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> enthusi, Bytes vs Bits.
[10:31] <savagecroc> 14 KB/s is fast enough for me :)
[10:31] <savagecroc> what's the power usage like?
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> the issue with the uart is that it's 3.3v.
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> about 3 watts.
[10:32] <savagecroc> oh nice
[10:32] <savagecroc> so if I hooked one up to a car-battery
[10:32] <savagecroc> i could probably keep it going for quite a while
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> a rev A consumes less power
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> sorry. model A.
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> A usb 3G dongle would be better.
[10:33] <savagecroc> how reliable are these boards?
[10:33] <ShiftPlusOne> they say that about half of the model b power usage is the lan chip, even when it's not being used O_o
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> savagecroc, as reliable as you make them.
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> uptimes of weeks is not unusual.
[10:34] <savagecroc> nah i meant the hardware
[10:34] <savagecroc> not software
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> mostly reliable enough.
[10:34] <ShiftPlusOne> the uptime reflects the hardware stability after all
[10:34] <savagecroc> reliable enough to use as industrial controllers?
[10:35] <ShiftPlusOne> I wouldn't use them as industrial controllers where reliability is critical, no.
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> savagecroc, who knows. 25+ years ago I was using BBC Micros as industrual controllers...
[10:35] <savagecroc> from the looks of it, it is just using standard industry components
[10:35] <AndrevS> My raspberry pi is pretty reliable, it just keeps running, (in contrast to my BeagleBoard which crashes all the time)
[10:35] <ShiftPlusOne> I wouldn't use any dev board without a track record of being used as such.
[10:35] <dr_willis> ive had several days+ uptime on m y znc server
[10:35] <savagecroc> problem is the stuff we're using at the moment
[10:35] <savagecroc> all has to be coded in C
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> C is good.
[10:36] * gordonDrogon likes C.
[10:36] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds great
[10:36] <savagecroc> and runs on massivly slow processors
[10:36] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: one day we shall have you by the arm chair woth a roaring firing
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> Ha! :)
[10:36] <booyaa> and you will regale us your tales of early computing
[10:36] <savagecroc> C is a pain in the ass
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[10:36] <booyaa> you definitely seen and done alot
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> I already have the fire: http://unicorn.drogon.net/officeFire.jpg
[10:37] * neilr looks enviously at the fire. Chilly in my shed this morning.
[10:38] <neilr> neil@raspberrypi ~ $ uptime
[10:38] <neilr> 09:36:01 up 22 days, 20:52, 3 users, load average: 0.16, 0.06, 0.09
[10:39] <neilr> Re: stability - that's my least stable pi
[10:39] <jph_> sheesh usb wifi adapters are hungry buggers
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[10:40] <savagecroc> if i want to build a pulse input to the pi.. using optical-couplers etc
[10:40] <savagecroc> what interface on the board would i plug it into?
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[10:41] <gordonDrogon> livingroom fire a few weeks ago: http://unicorn.drogon.net/xmasFire.jpg
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> savagecroc, the GPIO connector
[10:41] <ShiftPlusOne> savagecroc, if this is a way to cut costs in an industrial setting, I wouldn't recommend it. But yes, GPIO.
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[10:41] <gordonDrogon> it has several digital inputs, as well as I2C and SPI.
[10:42] <savagecroc> yeah it'll have about 40
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> you'll need some sort of expansion board for it - there is only 8 by default.
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> so use GPIO expanders that use SPI or I2C. (depending on speed needed)
[10:42] <savagecroc> yeah.. i'll need to get some built
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> the down-side with those is that it's harder to get interrutps into the Pi - not impossible though.
[10:43] <booyaa> i cant wait till we have a fireplace
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> mcp23017's ,etc.
[10:43] <savagecroc> gordonDrogon: will i need some hardware guy to work it out?
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> or the 23s17's for SPI
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> savagecroc, it depends on your own abilities, but I'm for hire..
[10:43] <savagecroc> haha your probably out of my price range
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[10:44] <savagecroc> i was originally thinking of getting the entire circuitry designed
[10:45] <savagecroc> but thats expensive
[10:45] <savagecroc> and comes with large minimum orders
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> it depends on how many you want.
[10:45] <savagecroc> also i think the pi will still be cheaper and do exactly what i want
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> you can prototype for relatively low cost.
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[10:45] <savagecroc> yeah probably only 500ish in the first batch
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> but relativve is ... relative!
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> so you need 500 Pi's too...
[10:45] <savagecroc> yep
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> there are some ready-made systems though.
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> some designed for industrial control too.
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> hang on, I'll look one up.
[10:46] <savagecroc> yeah.. but the thing is, unless they can run linux distros
[10:46] <savagecroc> then we might as well continue using our existing supplier
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> http://www.heber.co.uk/buy-x10i/
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[10:47] <gordonDrogon> so the x10i card uses USB to talk to the host - which can be any Linux PC, but Pi works fine.
[10:47] <savagecroc> 70 pounds is damn expensive
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> depends what you need it for.
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> ?100 per unit plus the software dev. time.
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> deign your own - how much is your time worth?
[10:49] <savagecroc> hmm yeah, but if all you need is a couple of RS-232, RS-485, and 20 pulse and 20 analog
[10:49] <savagecroc> oh i'd get someone else to design it
[10:49] <savagecroc> it's not in my skill-set
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> how much to pay them though...
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[10:50] <gordonDrogon> there's always cost.
[10:50] <savagecroc> about $800 USD per month :)
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure you can find some poor person in china or india for that.
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[10:50] <savagecroc> yeah i'm in china
[10:50] <savagecroc> and that's a good wage
[10:51] <jph_> how's the air treating you?
[10:51] <savagecroc> airs perfect :)
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> are you making a general purpose controller, or something for a specific product?
[10:51] <savagecroc> very clean
[10:51] <savagecroc> general purpose irrigation controller
[10:51] <savagecroc> basically a bunch of inputs
[10:51] <savagecroc> and a few relays
[10:52] <savagecroc> air usually gets worse in summer
[10:52] <Andy1978> gordonDrogon: I don't see a reason why the USB and Ethernet combined BOM approach should suck per design.
[10:53] <jph_> savagecroc: i'm over in SAR, lovely air atm here too
[10:54] <savagecroc> HK or Macau?
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[10:54] <gordonDrogon> Andy1978, I don't either, but these things are made to a budget - and this combination was designed as a set top box with minimal LAN and usb activity, so it was "good enough". The issue we have is that we're now much more demanding and the limitations of the hardware (& software) is now more apparent - well that's how I see it anyway.
[10:54] <Andy1978> gordonDrogon: The Chips has an upstream port with 480MBit and I think it should be possible to provide a 100MBit/s Ethernet Port and handle little traffic (keyboard!) on the USB port
[10:54] <jph_> savagecroc: hk
[10:55] <savagecroc> jph_: mind you, does HK have any problems with pollution outside of what big cities normally have?
[10:55] <savagecroc> we had some strange weather conditions about a year ago
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> Andy1978, one of the issues is that USB is half duplex and ethernet is full duplex.... Also, the USB (AUIU) has to be actively polled - so there is interrupt overhead on the host side...
[10:55] <savagecroc> where i didn't want to go outside for 3 days
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[10:55] <jph_> savagecroc: hell yeh, especially in summer... sometimes we joke when it's particularly bad that the factories are cranking out a new batch of iPhones
[10:55] <savagecroc> haha
[10:56] <Andy1978> gordonDrogon: Ah okay
[10:56] <savagecroc> factories in shenzhen?
[10:56] <jph_> wherever they are in china... we get a lot of smog blowing over
[10:56] <jph_> plus there's a lot of general smog produced in hk as well
[10:56] <savagecroc> yeah i imagine guangzhou would be bad too
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> one of the prices to pay for cheap manufacturing, I guess ...
[10:57] <savagecroc> nothing to do with cheap manufacturing
[10:57] <savagecroc> largest market in the world
[10:57] <jph_> it's always interesting in local cafes here, overhearing conversations about manufacturing and new products
[10:57] <savagecroc> soon to be the largest economy
[10:57] <ShiftPlusOne> guangzhou isn't too bad
[10:57] <savagecroc> i hate guangzhou
[10:57] <ShiftPlusOne> why? O_o
[10:57] <savagecroc> I was so happy when they built the train all the way through
[10:58] <savagecroc> coz of the fucking taxi drivers
[10:58] <savagecroc> cheating c***s
[10:58] <ShiftPlusOne> language
[10:58] <savagecroc> been there 12 times
[10:58] <savagecroc> every single time
[10:58] <savagecroc> it's like
[10:58] <ShiftPlusOne> check the topic
[10:58] <savagecroc> 200Y... to go up the road
[10:58] <ShiftPlusOne> that's why you make sure they use the meter
[10:58] <savagecroc> so i always have to have a very agressive 5 minute argument
[10:58] <savagecroc> oh i take a photo of their badge, and tell them they drive and charge normally or i'll phone their company
[10:59] <jph_> i'm still very hesitant to head over to mainland
[10:59] <jph_> going for a vacation just doesn't excite me
[10:59] <savagecroc> jph_: oh china is lots of fun :)
[10:59] <ShiftPlusOne> never had the problem. If you see that they don't turn on the meter, tell them to stop. If they drive you to the destination and demand more money, give them what you owe (and no more) and leave.
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[10:59] <savagecroc> ShiftPluseOne: i've had ones with meters that are cranked up
[11:00] <ShiftPlusOne> How often?
[11:00] <savagecroc> that clock much faster.. one lied about the toll booth
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[11:00] <savagecroc> every single time i've been to guangzhou
[11:00] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll admit that I was only in china for a few weeks, but guangzhou was the only place nobody tried to swindle me.
[11:00] <savagecroc> there hasn't been once i've been to that city
[11:00] <ShiftPlusOne> I found beijing to be the worst in that sense
[11:00] <savagecroc> when someone hasn't tried to rip me off
[11:00] <jph_> i'm guessing 99% of foreigners don't know enough mandarin to argue
[11:00] <savagecroc> jph_: yeah
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> jph_, no point arguing. If anyone tried to argue with me, I'd leave.
[11:01] <savagecroc> i had an american girl come to stay with me once, and when she turned up i noticed the taxi fair said 64Y, when it should have been 34Y.. he lied and told me the route he tooked, but i quizzed her and worked out it was bullshit.. took a photo of his number plate.. 2 secs later he came up running and gave me 100Y
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[11:02] <jph_> woops
[11:02] <savagecroc> that was early days, now i'll just report them
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[11:03] <jph_> being in HK has gradually turned me against mainlanders
[11:03] <savagecroc> ah don't buy it to that
[11:03] <savagecroc> it's just more xenophobic nonsense
[11:03] <jph_> im not a hardened anti... but you do notice cultural differences
[11:03] <savagecroc> it's the same with the whole chinese/japanese things
[11:04] <jph_> i wouldnt dare try to deconstruct the chinese/japanese thing... way too much history there
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[11:04] <jph_> nanking etc
[11:04] <savagecroc> jph_: not really, there's very little cultural difference between people in similar professions
[11:04] <savagecroc> if you get people in cities in china in the same jobs.. really not much difference
[11:04] <savagecroc> if you look at people from rural towns.. yeah, they can be different
[11:05] <ShiftPlusOne> bah... rural towns
[11:05] <savagecroc> rural towns with 3 million per "town"
[11:05] <savagecroc> haha
[11:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I found that anywhere other than the big cities meant we'd be chased with oranges.
[11:06] <savagecroc> oranges?
[11:06] <savagecroc> like for sale?
[11:06] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[11:06] <savagecroc> haha.. i havent't experienced that yet
[11:06] <savagecroc> i like shanghai.. watch, watch, rolex, ipad, iphone, massage, have a look, sexy girl, watch, iphone?
[11:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Anyway, great country to visit, if you can put the politics aside.
[11:06] <savagecroc> yeah also it is getting better
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[11:07] <dr_willis> yea.. i mean really.. who buys watches these days! ;)
[11:07] <savagecroc> haha. yeah
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[11:08] <jph_> lol... i hate TST in HK... hounded by indians touting fake rolexes
[11:08] <savagecroc> ah yeah
[11:08] <savagecroc> TST is pretty though
[11:09] <ShiftPlusOne> TST?
[11:09] <savagecroc> tsing something tsing
[11:09] <jph_> right next to street posters warning ppl not to buy counterfeit gods
[11:09] <dr_willis> 'genuine fake rolex'
[11:09] <jph_> tsim tsa shui
[11:09] <jph_> woops
[11:09] <savagecroc> yeah thats it
[11:09] <jph_> tsim sha tsui
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[11:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Been to HK, but that doesn't ring a bell =/
[11:09] <jph_> it's the tourist trap area near the ferry, kowloon side
[11:10] <ShiftPlusOne> The fake watches and suits does though.
[11:10] <savagecroc> what's that bar street called?
[11:10] <savagecroc> erm....
[11:10] <jph_> Lan Kwai Fong
[11:10] <jph_> or SOHO
[11:10] <savagecroc> yeah
[11:10] <savagecroc> lan kwai fong
[11:10] <savagecroc> oh and there was another one which had lots of bars down a back alley
[11:10] <jph_> i like HK, very safe
[11:10] <double-you> is hdmi enabled on rpi raspbian first start?
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[11:10] <jph_> double-you: yes
[11:11] <double-you> thank you :-)
[11:11] <dr_willis> double-you: if you have a hdmi monitor plugged in - (or so i find)
[11:11] <savagecroc> was awesome, we went to this club, pretty much only girls and was totally full on a tuesday night!
[11:11] <jph_> savagecroc: careful... that might have been a... girlfriend bar for lack of a better phrase
[11:11] <dr_willis> then they try to sell you oranges and rolex watches
[11:11] <savagecroc> haha no
[11:12] <jph_> the way to tell is if it's filled with filipino women
[11:12] <savagecroc> nah
[11:12] <savagecroc> just asian chicks
[11:12] <jph_> mainly i like SOHO
[11:12] <jph_> it's a bit more expat haven... more pubs than bars
[11:13] <jph_> LKF during the Hong Kong Sevens is ridiculous
[11:13] <savagecroc> yeah i know the street
[11:13] <jph_> wall to wall
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[11:19] <gordonDrogon> watches are cool. I have one of these: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/bigtime-watch-kit-p-940.html
[11:19] <dr_willis> put a pi in a watch.. ;) a big watch
[11:20] * ShiftPlusOne wonders if there's a "The Big Watch" in Canada somewhere.
[11:21] <SpeedEvil> Motorola motoactv is similar class of hardware
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[11:22] <SpeedEvil> but actually sane
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[11:24] <dr_willis> wife got me this huge hidious bluetooth speaker-phone watch. for xmas
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[11:28] <SpeedEvil> :-)
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[11:30] <dr_willis> and you know it has such HIGH quality sound for a $7 bluetooth watch
[11:31] <dwatkins> I want a Pebble Watch.
[11:31] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACraqnQoIsg why rave is evil
[11:31] <SpeedEvil> (tom baker narrates)
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[11:32] <neilr> gordonDrogon: I was going to buy one of those watch kits. Are they practical to actually wear?
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[11:34] <neilr> http://www.phenoptix.com/products/spikenzielabs-soldertime-ii-watch-kit
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[11:38] <jelly1> yay mjpeg-streamer is slow
[11:40] <ShiftPlusOne> yay
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[11:41] <jelly1> should use a webcam outputting mjpeg
[11:44] <tanuva> trying to investigate playback problems, I found the debug log getting constantly spammed with such messages: http://pastebin.com/Q34n2CvU Should I worry about that?
[11:44] <tanuva> [its raspbmc actually]
[11:44] <tanuva> but noone there in their channel who can help
[11:46] <xzr> you use cec for remote control?
[11:48] <tanuva> at least I'm not aware of it. using the iphone app as remote, but that should be http
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> neilr they're a bit big... not that comfortable for a long time... (mostly due to the cheap velcro strap)
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[11:52] <xzr> anyway doubt that should be problematic
[11:52] <xzr> my debug log is filled with random crap also
[11:52] <xzr> and works fine
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[11:54] <double-you> all right, my first r-pi is booting
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[11:57] <tanuva> double-you: congratz!
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[12:13] <BlackBishop> would adding a rtc to the rpi help the cpu load ?
[12:13] <BlackBishop> ( or help the mkv playback ) ?
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[12:13] <mjr> somehow I doubt that? why would it?
[12:15] <BlackBishop> well, maybe it'd need to sync ...
[12:15] <linuxstb> BlackBishop: A RTC is typically only used once, to set the clock when the computer boots. We have ntp for that nowadays.
[12:16] <BlackBishop> while playing via wireless ( 5GHz @ 130M )
[12:16] <double-you> tanuva: thank you, it's running
[12:16] <BlackBishop> it hangs every few seconds :|
[12:16] <BlackBishop> for just a lil' bit ..
[12:16] <Weaselweb> BlackBishop: you don't know what a RTC is for, no?
[12:16] <BlackBishop> and it doesn't say buffering
[12:16] <BlackBishop> Weaselweb real time clock
[12:16] <BlackBishop> I thought the rtc is also used to sync stuff while playing videos :/
[12:16] <Weaselweb> i mean what a real time clock is for
[12:16] <Dyskette> All it's really for is storing the time when the computer is off.
[12:17] <BlackBishop> Dyskette ofcourse ..
[12:17] <Dyskette> (Storing and continuing to track)
[12:17] <Dyskette> That's ALL it's for.
[12:17] <Weaselweb> clock as in a watch
[12:17] <BlackBishop> ok, then I need to figure out why it keeps hanging every few seconds.
[12:18] <BlackBishop> it sure isn't the bandwidth .. it has plenty .. I can play it just fine on my laptop connected to the same AP
[12:18] <linuxstb> First of all, what is inside your mkv file?
[12:18] <BlackBishop> one sec
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> oddly enough I've been hearing a lot of people going on about control, timing issues on the Pi and blaming it on the lack of the RTC. (which is 100% not the case).
[12:19] <BlackBishop> I wasn't blaming it .. I just thoght ( not knowing enough ) and .. asked ! :)
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[12:20] <Dyskette> gordonDrogon: well yeah, without a real-time clock, how can you keep real time?
[12:20] <BlackBishop> Stream #0:0(eng): Video: h264 (High), yuv420p, 1920x816, SAR 1:1 DAR 40:17, 23.98 fps, 23.98 tbr, 1k tbn, 47.95 tbc (default)
[12:20] <Dyskette> :P
[12:20] <BlackBishop> Stream #0:1(eng): Audio: dts (DTS), 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), s16, 1536 kb/s (default)
[12:20] <BlackBishop> Stream #0:2(eng): Audio: vorbis, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16
[12:21] <linuxstb> The problem is likely the CPU struggling to decode the audio.
[12:21] <BlackBishop> also, there's an issue with my usb soundblaster card ( x-fi pro )
[12:21] <Dyskette> DTS is not particularly friendly.
[12:21] <linuxstb> (assuming you're playing track 1). Try track 2.
[12:21] <BlackBishop> well, that must suck :/ ( excuse my language ) .. the whole point of the usb card was to actually hear the 5.1
[12:22] <BlackBishop> didn't get the card to hear right .. all sort of fizzes/crackling noises
[12:22] <linuxstb> You could try overclocking the Pi
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[12:22] <BlackBishop> the sound is in the background and I hear it nicely .. but it has all sorts of noise
[12:22] <BlackBishop> in the foreground
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[12:30] <BlackBishop> a colleague said that the noise goes away if the usb is set in 1.1 mode .. but that affects the ethernet alot too ( ofcourse )
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[12:30] <chep> hello
[12:31] <Dyskette> BlackBishop: a little googling suggests that that card itself uses a fair bit of cpu
[12:31] <BlackBishop> :|
[12:31] <Dyskette> BlackBishop: so between that and the dts, your issue is probably just that you're working the pi's processor harder than it wants to work
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[12:32] <BlackBishop> mhhhmm .. would having 2 pi's share the network/load help ? :/
[12:33] <BlackBishop> one having the pulseaudio server .. other one stream the audio
[12:33] <BlackBishop> one just doing the video playback .. one audio playback :\
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[12:34] <Dyskette> BlackBishop: that sounds fiendishly complex
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> Dyskette, the Pi keeps real time, the battery backed thing just sets the inital value..
[12:34] <Dyskette> gordonDrogon: I know. It was a joke.
[12:35] <linuxstb> BlackBishop: You can hope that the Pi Foundation start selling DTS licenses to do DTS decoding on the GPU.
[12:35] <BlackBishop> Dyskette not that hard to set up :)
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[12:37] <BlackBishop> linuxstb, interesting .. but would the gpu handle the load ?
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[12:39] <Dyskette> BlackBishop: the chip can do it, yeah
[12:39] <BlackBishop> well .. here's to hopping they'll sell licenses ! :) I'll buy 3
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[12:42] <BlackBishop> Dyskette, I guess I can set to passthrough the dts to the HDTV ..
[12:43] <Dyskette> If you're using HMDI, sure, I think there's an option for that.
[12:43] <BlackBishop> so that wouldn't be a problem anymore .. :| but I remember trying it like that and still having the lil' hang issue :\
[12:43] <Dyskette> As long as your TV can decode DTS.
[12:43] <BlackBishop> if it couldn't .. I wouldn't of heard sound, right ?
[12:44] <Dyskette> Shouldn't do, assuming the pass-through is working correctly.
[12:44] <BlackBishop> it's a samsung .. 40d5000 :\
[12:45] <BlackBishop> DTS 2.0 + Digital Out
[12:45] <BlackBishop> mhmm .. 2.0 means just stereo, right ? would that cause issues since the source is 5.1 ?!
[12:46] <chep> Is it normal to have 100% cpu used by omxplayer when playing an SD xvid movie? It take only 30% ti play and h264 file. Do i need something to use GPU for xvid files?
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[12:47] <xzr> chep: depends on the encoding of the file, some formats just dont decode through the gpu
[12:48] <xzr> license stuff I guess
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[12:49] <mjr> I was of the impression that also the mpeg4 asp (which xvid is) would be gpu-accelerated by default and not just avc/h264, but maybe I'm mistaken
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[12:50] <mjr> chep, is the playback good though (not jerky and all that)?
[12:50] <Dyskette> I've had no issue with xvid files, fwiw.
[12:51] <xzr> I couldn't get divx 3 low motion encoded files to play on mine
[12:52] <xzr> or xvid3
[12:52] <xzr> anyway
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[12:53] <xzr> hm yes was divx-3
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[13:01] <steve_rox> i see london is a mess today
[13:03] <yaMatt> it should be getting better now
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[13:03] <Nebukadneza> heho
[13:03] <steve_rox> i have a friend that does not live far from the blast zone , i have not herd from them yet
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[13:07] <double-you> i wish http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals had some more user statistics like: 1000 people running TL-WN821 v3, no problems... and yellow stars next to the best working devices ;)
[13:09] <tanuva> btw, I need to add a working wlan stick...
[13:10] <double-you> m2 ;)
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[13:14] <BlackBishop> tanuva I have a ... Bus 003 Device 004: ID 07d1:3a09 D-Link System DWA-160 802.11abgn Xtreme N Dual Band Adapter(rev.A2) [Atheros AR9170+AR9104]
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[13:15] <double-you> BlackBishop: internal network speed?
[13:15] <tanuva> atheros chips should generally work on linux
[13:16] <tanuva> BlackBishop: don't know how far you are into the Pi yet, you might need a separate powered usb hub. my wlan stick runs fine from a 512mb-pi though
[13:16] <tanuva> (with 2.1A PSU)
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[13:20] <randomdev> so im probably retarded.. but if i have a sd card reader.. what /dev/ would the card show up as ?
[13:20] <Shift_> mmcblk0
[13:21] <Shift_> ...p1/p2
[13:21] <randomdev> thanks
[13:21] <randomdev> any way to tell which one it is ?
[13:21] <mjr> if it's a usb reader, /dev/sd[a-z] though
[13:21] <Shift_> randomdev, p1 is the boot partition, p2 is the root partition
[13:21] <Shift_> if there's another one, it's probably swap
[13:21] <linuxstb> randomdev: Try looking at the end of /var/log/messages when you insert the reader/card
[13:21] <Shift_> oh my mistake
[13:21] <randomdev> the pi reboots when i plug in the usb car reade :/
[13:21] <linuxstb> e.g. tail -20 /var/log/message
[13:21] <Shift_> sorry, I thought you were asking about the pi
[13:21] <mjr> or at the end of dmesg, possibly
[13:22] <Shift_> yes, check messages
[13:22] <linuxstb> I meant messages
[13:22] <Shift_> it might be sdX
[13:22] <randomdev> its plugged into the pi
[13:22] <Triffid_Hunter> randomdev: not enough power then. I fed 5v into the GPIO port on mine, works great.. can even plug in my 3d printer and it's fine
[13:22] <randomdev> there is sda and the mmcbl etc
[13:22] <mjr> randomdev, too large voltage drop then :I
[13:22] <randomdev> looks like its ok if its plugged in from boot tho
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[13:22] <mjr> randomdev, yeah it's likely to work better
[13:23] <randomdev> i just want to try putting openelec on a card
[13:23] <tukkip> anyone using openvpn with PI ?
[13:24] <Triffid_Hunter> randomdev: I wonder if adding a few 10u ceramic capacitors across the usb port power pins would make a difference
[13:24] <randomdev> so is the mmc the built in sd card slot on pi and sda the usb one?
[13:25] <mjr> randomdev, yes
[13:25] <Triffid_Hunter> randomdev: yes
[13:25] <randomdev> thanks
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[13:26] <randomdev> ok next question, how do i install mkfs.vfat (does pi have a package manager?)
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[13:27] <Shift_> you're running raspbian, yeah?
[13:27] <randomdev> says wheezy/sid raberrpi
[13:27] <mjr> pi doesn't, since it's not an os but hardware. In Raspbian, apt-get install dosfstools
[13:28] <randomdev> thanks
[13:28] <Triffid_Hunter> bizarre, my raspbian has mkfs.cramfs and minix but not vfat
[13:28] <randomdev> dunno why the bian didnt click with debian for me
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[13:33] <chep> mjr: (sorry for lag) yes playback is good, video and sound ok. But sometimes, other application (ssh, top, transmission) freeze
[13:34] <mjr> it is a bit funny to lack dosfstools by default since the pi itself needs a fat filesystem... but ah well.
[13:34] <Triffid_Hunter> fwiw mine definitely plays accelerated xvid.. tried without a vpu unlock code and it was unwatchable.. put code back in and it's smooth as silk
[13:35] <mjr> chep, right, I was just wondering that if it plays it swell, it still probably is accelerated, and the cpu expenditure is some other issue with the player
[13:35] <chep> xzr mjr: i was thinking xvid was gpu-accelerated too
[13:35] <mjr> chep, me too, and the others who commented back then seemed to concur
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[13:36] <chep> mjr: ok thanks, i'll try with other xvid files
[13:36] <xzr> chep: it depends on the underlying codec, there's a few varying flavors
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[13:37] <chep> mplayer can read the file too (did not try fullscreen) so the board can read the file without gpu acceleration
[13:37] <randomdev> any idea how to pi would compare performance wise to apple tv 2 ?
[13:37] <mjr> chep, it can actually play it back (even in window) smoothly? unexpected for me...
[13:37] <randomdev> should be 'how the pi'
[13:38] <Triffid_Hunter> as far as I know, the mpeg-4 spec describes in great detail how to arrange the encoded video and how to decode it back to the series of stills, but leaves the actual process of converting series of stills to compressed data up to the implementer.. xvid is simply an open source implementation of an encoder, with matching decoder of course
[13:38] <xzr> yeap
[13:38] <xzr> I think mplayer should be able to tell you the specific codec though?
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[13:39] <Triffid_Hunter> mplayer -identify -frames 0 filename.ext
[13:39] <chep> mjr: yes it can. video is very small: i don't start X and video output don't accept fullscreen or zoom
[13:39] <Triffid_Hunter> dumps a stack of info then exits
[13:39] <chep> bitrate is not high
[13:40] <chep> xzr: Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)
[13:41] <chep> VIDEO: [XVID] 640x272 24bpp 25.000 fps 764.9 kbps (93.4 kbyte/s)
[13:42] <xzr> hmh
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[13:46] <megaproxy> anyone have any experience with home automation
[13:47] <Armand> Yeah, I sometimes have my dog open a door for me. :P
[13:47] <Armand> Ohh, hey megaproxy.. :D
[13:48] <megaproxy> Armand, :D
[13:48] <megaproxy> i wish my cat could open doors
[13:48] <megaproxy> and feed himself..
[13:48] <Armand> It's pawsable...
[13:48] <Armand> I mean, plausible..
[13:48] <megaproxy> haha
[13:49] <megaproxy> im going to get some RF plug sockets
[13:49] <Armand> You can get feeders with a timer... and I'm reasonably sure you know what a catflap is. :P
[13:49] <BlackBishop> I want to automate my lights with some xbee ..
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[13:50] <BlackBishop> since I can't rewire the house... I wonder if I can get some small smd stuff and add buttons in places ..
[13:50] <BlackBishop> so I can switch the lights/on/off :/
[13:51] <osfameron> is the Gertboard for sale yet?
[13:51] <megaproxy> BlackBishop, thats my plan too
[13:52] <megaproxy> house is way old to start ripping thing sup
[13:52] <megaproxy> if you use lamps
[13:52] <megaproxy> you can control them with RF sockets
[13:52] <megaproxy> im SURE you can get light switches the same
[13:52] <randomdev> ah crap no nano on openelec.. i have to try and figure out how to use vi :/
[13:52] <osfameron> ah, perhaps not. Farnell search takes me to http://piregistration.element14.com/signup.html?isRedirect=true to register my interest
[13:52] <dfaler> My cat used to open doors all the time. She just wouldn't ever close them. She felt they should all be open at all times.
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[13:53] <knoppies> randomdev, vi isnt as hard as it first seems. There are different modes, for now you you just need to know about the insert mode. You can enter it by pressing i and exit it by pressing esc. Then to save you hit :w<enter>
[13:53] <randomdev> not really hard.. but i never remember the keys
[13:53] <knoppies> randomdev, to quit its :q<enter> and to save and quit at once its :wq<enter>
[13:53] <megaproxy> randomdev, sudo apt-get install nano
[13:54] <randomdev> n apt-get in openelec
[13:54] <knoppies> randomdev, i and <esc> are the most important ones.
[13:54] <megaproxy> ah
[13:54] <megaproxy> yum install?
[13:54] <knoppies> randomdev, Im assuming that the arrow keys work
[13:54] <osfameron> and nano isn't installed by default?
[13:54] <randomdev> thanks knoppies
[13:54] <randomdev> not for openelec
[13:55] <knoppies> randomdev, pleasure, anytime.
[13:55] <knoppies> randomdev, you have access to a browser? Im sure googling vim cheat sheet will give you a load of reminders.
[13:56] <sraue> randomdev, nano can be installed via xbmc's addon browser, its in our own repo (check the program section)
[13:56] <randomdev> insert and quit is about all i need
[13:56] <sraue> after installing reboot and you can use nano
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[13:56] <sraue> http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Add-on:nano
[13:57] <randomdev> cool
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[13:57] <Shift_> I've been using openelec after a long time of not using it. Is it normal to have long "working..." delays when accessing online material like youtube even though the internet connection is fine?
[13:57] <randomdev> this is first i have heard of it, what is the difference between openelec and xbmc?
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[13:58] <sraue> openelec is the distro to run xbmc
[13:58] <sraue> so openelec is the whole OS, xbmc the application
[13:58] <Shift_> >.> *a
[13:58] <randomdev> ah ok
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[14:03] <dfaler> What is the difference between openelec and raspbmc?
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[14:05] <linuxstb> OE is built from scratch to be a minimal system for XBMC. Raspbmc is a customised version of Raspbian (a version of Debian)
[14:05] <dfaler> OK, thanks.
[14:05] <MalMen> what is the most performed browser on rasp ?
[14:05] <MalMen> midori ?
[14:05] <linuxstb> But from a user's point of view, I'm not really sure what the main differences are...
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[14:06] <Shift_> What do you mean by performed?
[14:06] <MalMen> fast/quality
[14:06] <linuxstb> "best performing" then ;)
[14:06] <randomdev> sraue, i cant seem to edit the advancedsettings.xml due to permissions, do you know how i can do this ?
[14:06] <MalMen> yes.. sorry for my english xD
[14:06] <randomdev> read only file syste, ?
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[14:07] <sraue> randomdev, advancedsettings.xml should be created/edited in /storage/.xbmc/userdata
[14:07] <Shift_> MalMen, I think people have too many preferences and there are too many browsers to be able to single out one browser as the best.
[14:07] <randomdev> thanks i was editing it in another location
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[14:08] <MalMen> shift_ you might be right :|
[14:08] <Shift_> MalMen, having said that, yeah, midori is an ok choice.
[14:08] <MalMen> my favorites was firefox or chrome for normal desktop, but on rasp they are a litle bit slow
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[14:12] <pecorade> Hi.
[14:12] <Shift_> hi
[14:12] <randomdev> hey
[14:12] <TAFB> hello
[14:13] <randomdev> i love having xbmc library setup with mysql
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[14:27] <knoppies> randomdev, I didnt know you could do that.
[14:27] <knoppies> is it hard/long to setup?
[14:27] <randomdev> it is seriously awesome, not hard at all really if you can follow instructions
[14:27] <randomdev> means you can see watched status/resume etc from any device
[14:28] <randomdev> http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Sync_multiple_libraries
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[14:28] <knoppies> randomdev, thanks, I might look into that.
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[14:34] <Gup> Hi all, having trouble creating and mounting a data partition on my SD card. http://pastebin.com/mETTyz1Q Am I doing this right?
[14:35] <Gup> also tried extending the root partition to full SD size, but straight after doing so I get input/output errors and files disappearing!
[14:36] <Gup> same issues with latest firmware
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[14:39] <earl2> hi everyone
[14:40] <onlyson> What's up
[14:41] <Hodapp> howdy
[14:44] <earl2> anyone ever make a pressure sensor like this - http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Force-Sensitive-Resistor-FSR/ Hodapp ?
[14:44] <onlyson> We're all so lively.
[14:44] <onlyson> checking it out
[14:45] <earl2> here is another version http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-a-Ridiculously-Cheap-Analog-Pressure-S/
[14:46] <onlyson> Pretty cool. I've seen a bunch of these attached to IEDs in Iraq ad Afghanistan though. lol
[14:47] <earl2> um, thats scary
[14:47] <onlyson> Only if you step on it.
[14:47] <earl2> I do want a bunch however (12)
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[14:48] <earl2> could the pi handle that?
[14:48] <earl2> does it have the right kind of analog inputs?
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[14:49] <onlyson> I'm sure if you managed to connect them to a BUS and then connect the BUS to the pi, it would work without a problem. Your only limitation would be physical.
[14:49] <onlyson> What are you making?
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[14:54] <megaproxy> guys
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[14:54] <megaproxy> anyone know if there is a way to get midori to cycle through tabs
[14:54] <megaproxy> like a slide show
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[14:54] <Shift_> O_o
[14:54] * Shift_ tries to figure out a situation where that's useful.
[14:54] <megaproxy> network monitoring..
[14:54] <megaproxy> graphing
[14:54] <megaproxy> display modules
[14:55] <megaproxy> kiosk
[14:55] <megaproxy> many uses :P
[14:56] <Hodapp> I suppose you could use something like Sikuli and send the necessary key combo on a regular basis
[14:56] <Shift_> or xdotool
[14:56] <megaproxy> was just thinking that...
[14:56] <megaproxy> have it do ctrl tab ever X seconds
[14:56] <megaproxy> hmmm
[14:56] <Hodapp> use xdotool. It looks like a much lighter dependency than Sikuli.
[14:56] <Hodapp> Sikuli requires Jython, OpenCV, and a bunch of other crap.
[14:57] <megaproxy> ok. Is it a case of apt-get
[14:57] * megaproxy googles
[14:57] <Hodapp> xdotool, I'm guessing, requires... xlib and not much else
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[14:58] <megaproxy> hmmmm this should work!
[14:58] <megaproxy> if only x11vnc wasnt so fikle
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[14:59] <bluegoon> Hi chaps
[15:00] <bluegoon> test
[15:01] <moritz_89> testresponse
[15:01] <bluegoon> Awesome, thank you
[15:01] <moritz_89> xD
[15:02] <bluegoon> im trying out Raspbian through terminal only!
[15:02] <bluegoon> got an IRC client, downloading a browser now
[15:02] <moritz_89> i prefer startx xD
[15:02] <megaproxy> lynx!
[15:03] <bluegoon> megaproxy: correct! installing lynx now :)
[15:03] <moritz_89> buhuuuu still waiting for my 512MB Pi
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[15:04] <moritz_89> VirtualBox is just for x86 right?
[15:04] <earl2> hi, sorry i was distracted
[15:04] <kgee> Has anyone else installed/configured adafruit's raspberrypi webIDE? It's a pretty promising project
[15:04] <mjr> for x86 and x86-64
[15:04] <kgee> moritz_89: yes, but using qemu you can emulate arm
[15:05] <earl2> so getting back to http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Force-Sensitive-Resistor-FSR/ and http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-a-Ridiculously-Cheap-Analog-Pressure-S/
[15:05] <moritz_89> ive tried qemu but not possible to start. maybe somethings gone wrong while installing
[15:05] <kgee> moritz_89: just say goodbye to the nice single click setup (last I checked, it was CLI config only)
[15:05] <earl2> above you said I mighht connect it to a "usb"
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[15:05] <earl2> but I know that the arduino can handle it easily. I would just like to program under a real OS, like what the rpi runs
[15:06] <earl2> so should I think of an arduino connected to a rpi<
[15:06] <Shift_> moritz_89, did you specify 512mb when using qemu?
[15:06] <moritz_89> for sure
[15:06] <Shift_> problem 1 then
[15:06] <Shift_> what kernel did you use?
[15:06] <moritz_89> ... o.O
[15:06] <mjr> on linux you can also btw use user space qemu emulation to directly chroot into a pi root filesystem and run stuff there, without emulating a whole system
[15:07] <megaproxy> does xdotool only do mouse commands?
[15:07] <mjr> see http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8478
[15:07] <kgee> earl2: I've read a few projects interfacing the pi to the arduino. Apparently the commuication style is different, so it takes some sort of an i2c bridge setup to make it happen (im a software guy, not a hardware guy, maybe someone else can back me up on that)
[15:07] <Shift_> megaproxy, no, it does WM commands and keyboard as well.
[15:07] <megaproxy> hm
[15:07] <moritz_89> never were far as this
[15:07] <earl2> kgee, I, too, am a software guy :)
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[15:07] <earl2> I've never connected anything to anything
[15:07] <megaproxy> xdotool key ctrl+c
[15:07] <megaproxy> cool!
[15:07] <moritz_89> give me a second...erm wait mabe someone could send me config file? xDD
[15:08] <megaproxy> so if i make it xdotool key ctrl+tab
[15:08] <megaproxy> save it
[15:08] <kgee> earl2: aah, yeah. I was sold on the 'runs a real OS' line too. In that case, why use the arduino, when you can convert to GPIO>
[15:08] <megaproxy> then cron it to run every X seconds..
[15:08] <megaproxy> that would work right?
[15:08] <bluegoon> Someone at the office said that SD cards have a poor lifespan, is that true?
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[15:08] <kgee> bluegoon: depends on the filesystem, the age of the sd card, and how you use it
[15:08] <Shift_> that depends on whether someone really said it or not
[15:08] <Armand> bluegoon, they have a limited number of write cycles..
[15:09] <Armand> As do any flash storage device.
[15:09] <moritz_89> ive found qemu starter, what about this?
[15:09] <mjr> they don't tend to blow up at your face immediately, but sure, eventually with heavy use they'll go
[15:09] <bluegoon> so mechanical drives last longer?
[15:09] <Shift_> (yes, sdcards wear out very quickly is you write to them a lot, but many people will argue for hours saying it's a lie)
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[15:09] <Armand> bluegoon, we can still expect a flash device to last many years.. if used properly. ;)
[15:10] <Shift_> ^ +1
[15:10] <earl2> kgee, what do you mean @why use the arduino, when you can convert to GPIO@?
[15:10] <bluegoon> cool, thanks
[15:11] <earl2> kgee, I wasn't sure whether I can connect 12 of what I'm thinking of to a n rpi without an arduino
[15:11] <earl2> I know less than nothing about electricity!!!
[15:11] <kgee> earl2: as much as I like the idea of bridging a pi to an arduino, for us 'software guys', the GPIO pins are probably a 'good enough' start
[15:11] <megaproxy> i need cron help :(
[15:11] <kgee> earl2: ahh, with 12 of anything you might need another device
[15:11] <earl2> I'm lucky to still be alive, let's put it that way. My only saving grace is that the keyboard is not connected to the mains. It's my only known hardware interface. And a mouse.
[15:11] <Shift_> earl2, that's a good place to start. A lot of problems happen when people think they know more than they do.
[15:11] <earl2> thanks, Shift_
[15:12] <mjr> also I don't think the pi has analog inputs that earl2's sensors want? aren't they all digital? (may be mistaken here)
[15:12] <earl2> Shift_, do you think you could connect twelve of http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Force-Sensitive-Resistor-FSR/ -another link- http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-a-Ridiculously-Cheap-Analog-Pressure-S/ to a rpi and have them all funciton?
[15:12] <earl2> How long would it take you?
[15:12] <megaproxy> what cron folder do i put a cronjob in if i want it to action every few seconds?
[15:12] <megaproxy> .d?
[15:12] <mjr> megaproxy, you can't, cron has a minute granularity
[15:12] <kgee> also, think incrementally. Start by getting one device going, then scale up. If you will _eventually_ need to run them off the arduino, start working on the pi->arduino bridge early in the project, and by the time you need the link, it'll be there
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[15:13] <megaproxy> ok, every min then
[15:13] <megaproxy> lol
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[15:13] <mjr> yes, cron.d, and you need to give the timespec as well there
[15:13] <TAFB> megaproxy: you can use a .sh with a sleep loop to run stuff every second :) that's how I do my php page caching ;)
[15:13] <megaproxy> is there a guide? Im not sure what i would call the file etc
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[15:13] <megaproxy> ah!
[15:13] <Shift_> earl2, what's this for exactly?
[15:13] <megaproxy> how do i do this?
[15:13] <earl2> kgee, it's not really an incremental thing. I need all twelve sensors, and I can only program it with a real OS, I simply don't have enough time to prototype in low-level arduino code.
[15:13] <mjr> or you can run your own script like while true ; do sleep 2 ; dostuff ; done
[15:13] <megaproxy> i basically want midori to cycle tabs like a slideshow
[15:14] <megaproxy> got a xdotool thing set up for the key combo
[15:14] <earl2> I want to write most of my code in Perl. And I want to use the line out and line in too (with the built-in soundcard)
[15:14] <bluegoon> which "drive" is used as a caching disk on raspbian?
[15:14] <earl2> the thing that I can't possibly do myself is the sensor part, since I've never done anything with hardware, ever, and know less than 0 about electronics
[15:14] <bluegoon> earl2: theres a good youtube video on GPIO
[15:14] <earl2> Shift_: I am creating a prototype for a device that a team will then work on.
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[15:15] <neilr> megaproxy: "crontab -e" to edit your cron entries. Don't edit the file directly.
[15:15] <earl2> Shift_: Is this something you can put together in a few minutes? (The twelve sensor pads as linked by me)? You don't have to write ANY code, as I can write all of it - that is my expertise.
[15:15] <kgee> earl2: if hardware isn't your thing, you can open your wallet: http://www.cooking-hacks.com/index.php/documentation/tutorials/raspberry-pi-to-arduino-shields-connection-bridge
[15:15] <neilr> then add "* * * * * /foo/bar/cmd" to execute that command every minute
[15:15] <earl2> kgee, how far should I open my wallet?
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[15:16] <megaproxy> neilr, where does it log to so i can see if its working?
[15:16] <moritz_89> now ive reinstalled qemu. someones know a good config for raspbian?
[15:16] <pksato> megaproxy: watch -n 1 you_command
[15:16] <kgee> earl2: Not sure the price. Just saying, if you don't want to build it/ fuss with the details yourself, there are options you can have shipped to your door. That assumes bridging the pi to the arduino solves your problem. Personally I think 12 of any sensor is a headache :P
[15:16] <bluegoon> I think I dont have enough space for my OS on thie raspberry, thats why performance is bad, I have 100MB available currently
[15:16] <Shift_> earl2, no, I mean what exactly for.... connecting 12 analog devices to digital only pins is going to be a bit tricky, you're not going to get it done in a few minutes. You'd need to go through some other chip first.
[15:17] <neilr> megaproxy: you specify that. You can pipe the command output where you want.
[15:17] <Shift_> earl2, I think there might be a more elegant way of doing whatever it is you're doing.
[15:17] * megaproxy is confused
[15:17] <earl2> Shift_ could you explain why, please? (this part: connecting 12 analog devices to digital only pins is going to be a bit tricky, you're not going to get it done in a few minutes. You'd need to go through some other chip first.")
[15:17] <Shift_> earl2, but it would be best to let gordonDrogon chime in, since he's the GPIO guru here.
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[15:17] <earl2> Shift_: The twelve analog pressure devices are completely independent. As long as there are 12 independent analogue pins it should be fine, no?
[15:17] <earl2> gordonDrogon, I do summon thee! :-P
[15:18] <Shift_> earl2, well there are NO analog pins on the pi. So you'd need some other device to talk through
[15:18] <earl2> Shift_, I'm curious what makes you say that I can't just connect them one at a time, same as if there were only 1 of them and only 1 analog input pin?
[15:18] <earl2> oh, I see. I didn't know this.
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[15:18] <earl2> I ran across some kind of, uh, custard thing
[15:18] <neilr> megaproxy: "man cron" - explains the cron daemon
[15:19] <earl2> adafruit*
[15:19] <earl2> not custard, cobbler.
[15:19] <earl2> I think
[15:19] <earl2> brb
[15:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://learn.adafruit.com/reading-a-analog-in-and-controlling-audio-volume-with-the-raspberry-pi/overview <- may help
[15:20] <kgee> earl2: adafruit has some great pi tools.
[15:21] <megaproxy> i think its working..
[15:21] <megaproxy> bar the x session wasnt started because no screen was plugged in
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[15:21] * megaproxy tries again
[15:21] <Shift_> earl2, RaTTuS|BIG just gave you pretty much the perfect link. But make sure whatever chip you use has enough inputs. There there are some things to consider... whether you need to be able to read all of them at a time, or if sequentially is enough... and so on.
[15:22] <earl2> http://adafruit.com/products/914
[15:22] <earl2> this says "Now that you've finally got your hands on a Raspberry Pi?? , you're probably itching to make some fun embedded computer projects with it. What you need is an add on prototyping Pi Cobbler from Adafruit, which can break out all those tasty power, GPIO, I2C and SPI pins from the 26 pin header onto a solderless breadboard"
[15:22] <earl2> so apparently it does have pins, they are just hard to access
[15:22] <Hopsy> I am trying to set wlan0 mode to monitor, but its not working! help! :(
[15:23] <Hopsy> Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Device or resource busy.
[15:23] <Shift_> earl2, no, I didn't say there were no poins, I said there were no analog pins.
[15:23] <Hopsy> I tried ifdown
[15:23] <Shift_> *pins
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[15:25] <earl2> Shift_ I need to read them "continuously" but obviously that doesn't mean sequentlly isn't enough, dependning on how long the read time is
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[15:25] <earl2> what kind of delay are we talking about if it's sequential<
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[15:25] <Shift_> probably not something you have to worry about then.
[15:25] <earl2> Shfit_, oh, I thought the meaning of GPIO was that it!s analog, sorry I was mistaken.
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[15:26] <earl2> RaTTuS|BIG thanks for your link to http://learn.adafruit.com/reading-a-analog-in-and-controlling-audio-volume-with-the-raspberry-pi/overview
[15:26] <earl2> I am trying to figure out what it will cost me to go this route
[15:26] <earl2> also how many meters could that read?
[15:27] <Shift_> earl2, I think it's time to go and explore the world of datasheets and component choices=D
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[15:28] <megaproxy> so i try to run xdotool, and it says "cant open display: (null)
[15:28] <earl2> :)
[15:28] <Shift_> megaproxy, how are you launching it?
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[15:28] <megaproxy> xdotool key ctrl+tab
[15:28] <megaproxy> just running that
[15:28] <earl2> This is just a prototype so I am not concerned if the cost goes as high as $35 or $45 and another $45 to get you guys to assemble it for me so I can concentrate on the code :)
[15:28] <earl2> https://www.adafruit.com/products/856 says "Need to add analog inputs? This chip will add 8 channels of 10-bit analog input "
[15:29] <Shift_> megaproxy, no, i mean how are you actually launching xdotool, not what parameters
[15:29] <earl2> does the 8 channels mean I could read 8 of these analog inputs (my link earlier, to the pressure sensor)?
[15:29] <megaproxy> uh well, all i have done is run that command
[15:29] <Shift_> megaproxy, from.... an open terminal window? What do you see if you 'echo $DISPLAY' from that same terminal?
[15:30] <Shift_> earl2, yup
[15:30] <megaproxy> a blank line comes back
[15:30] <megaproxy> im ssh'd in
[15:30] <Shift_> well there's your problem
[15:30] <megaproxy> how do i fix problem..
[15:30] <Shift_> try "DISPLAY=:0.0 xdotool" and whatever parameters you have and see if that helps
[15:31] <megaproxy> oooh
[15:31] <megaproxy> didint work
[15:31] <megaproxy> BUT it didnt error as before
[15:31] <megaproxy> the error is now my command
[15:31] <megaproxy> :D
[15:31] <megaproxy> what is the correct term for the key "tab"
[15:32] <Shift_> idn... <tab> ?
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> The tab key.
[15:32] <megaproxy> i thought that :/
[15:32] <megaproxy> ah it needs a capital T
[15:32] <megaproxy> ofcorse...
[15:32] <megaproxy> ?.?
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[15:33] <kgee> earl2: that ADC converter on adafruit only has 8 analog inputs. Not sure if you can hook more than one up to the pi at a time, but you're going to have to try if 12 sensors are needed.
[15:34] <megaproxy> it works :DDDDD
[15:34] <megaproxy> thanks to everyone who helped :D
[15:34] <Andy1978> kgee: I thought the rpi hast 2 CEs on SPI? Then he can add 2 8-channel ADCs
[15:35] <kgee> Andy1978: cool. Now I know!
[15:35] <megaproxy> oh one last question to anyone who knows
[15:35] <megaproxy> how can i get this command to open in a screen, rather than the session
[15:36] <Shift_> wah?
[15:36] <Andy1978> hm?
[15:36] <Triffid_Hunter> megaproxy: you want it to show up on the machine you're sshing from?
[15:36] <megaproxy> the setup is as follows.
[15:36] <megaproxy> pi will be behind a tv, everything auto starts.
[15:36] <Triffid_Hunter> megaproxy: use ssh -Y you@rpi xdotool
[15:36] <Andy1978> megaproxy: Do you want x-forwarding? man ssh
[15:36] <megaproxy> id like any scripts to go into a screen, so we can attach and see whats going on if needed
[15:37] <megaproxy> i am using ssh...
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[15:37] <Shift_> by screen, you mean GNU Screen, yeah?
[15:37] <megaproxy> ya
[15:37] <megaproxy> screen -r etc
[15:37] <Triffid_Hunter> megaproxy: gnu screen? screen -d -m will start a command in a screen session. there's also docs in screen for auto-starting things in various terminals within the screen session
[15:37] <Shift_> yup
[15:37] <davzie> Tmux is wayyy superiod
[15:37] <megaproxy> i think i can use
[15:37] <davzie> superior*
[15:38] <megaproxy> /usr/bin/screen -dmS *name*
[15:38] <megaproxy> is that right?
[15:38] <Triffid_Hunter> megaproxy: I tend to put screen -xRR in ~/.bash_profile when doing stuff like that, make sure to set screen to use a non-login shell or it'll recurse!
[15:39] <megaproxy> ive just tried something. i will tets and advise :D
[15:39] <Triffid_Hunter> davzie: tmux eh? what's it got that screen doesn't?
[15:39] <megaproxy> put the command in etc/xdg/lxsessions/LXDE/autostart
[15:39] <Shift_> oh god
[15:40] <Shift_> http://tmux.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=tmux/tmux;a=blob;f=FAQ if you want to read pro tmux propaganda
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> Hm. todays lunch masquerades as coconut...
[15:40] <megaproxy> it looks like the command didnt work as planned... but it works?
[15:41] <megaproxy> oh no wait, it doesn't
[15:41] <megaproxy> poop
[15:41] <steve_rox> looks like blockbuster dvd/video company has folded
[15:41] <megaproxy> @/usr/bin/screen -dmS slideshow sh /home/pi/slideshow.sh
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[15:42] <gordonDrogon> another one bit the dust...
[15:42] <steve_rox> seems it
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> there'll be nothing left at this rate...
[15:42] <steve_rox> wonder whats next
[15:42] <IT_Sean> people still use blockbuster?
[15:42] <steve_rox> i never used one ever
[15:43] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Fd3zF1CCLmI <- blockbuster
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> then again, I won't miss hmv or blockbuster as I never used them.
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[15:43] <Hopsy> gordonDrogon: can you help me with this? (a) http://cache.gyazo.com/e821be42c87ff78be624c17aa850a47a.png
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> vaguely annoyed as jessops, but there is a good independant in exeter...
[15:43] <steve_rox> i guess most shops will go online exclusive if they want to survive
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[15:44] <earl2> kgee: where you said that ADC converter on adafruit only has 8 analog inputs. Could you (or anyone here) help me find an equivalent one where the only difference is it has the 12 pins? (That way I could still follow the rest of the instructions hopefully).
[15:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> as others have said ... IT's time to stop flogging a dead horse with my Lidl Pony
[15:44] * neilr groans
[15:44] <Shift_> earl2, you can hook up two of them.
[15:44] <earl2> Andy1978 might have answered this question. Can I add 2 8-chanel ADC's?
[15:44] <Shift_> yes
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> Hopsy, no idea. looks like it might bre missing a library, however ndiswrapper is never going to work on the Pi as that's for x86 code...
[15:45] <Andy1978> earl2: As I can see there a 2 CE (chip enables) on the GPIO, so I would guess: Yes
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> RaTTuS|BIG, Yea, check the sell-by dates... And the're off!
[15:45] <Hopsy> hmm
[15:46] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[15:46] <earl2> Andy1978, how long would this take me? My plan is to hook up 12 x this: http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Force-Sensitive-Resistor-FSR/ -another link- http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-a-Ridiculously-Cheap-Analog-Pressure-S/
[15:46] <earl2> and read it via software.
[15:46] <earl2> is this like an afternoon project or will it take me weeks. I know nothing at all, whatsoever, about electronics and I'm very, very clumsy.
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[15:46] <gordonDrogon> earl2, why not just buy proper ones..
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> earl2, however, you need 12 inputs for the pi?
[15:47] <Shift_> 12 analog inputs
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> just use a bunch of I2C chips that have separate address-select pins.
[15:48] <megaproxy> yay
[15:48] <Datalink-M> Whee
[15:48] <megaproxy> got the pi set up exactly as wante
[15:48] <megaproxy> i put this: @/usr/bin/screen -dmS slideshow watch -n 15 sh /home/pi/slideshow.sh into : /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart
[15:48] <steve_rox> aghh more pi unboxing videos on utube , im gonna go mad
[15:49] <kgee> earl2: asking for a timeline on a R&D / learning project is pretty futile. It all depends on your background and how quickly you manage to troubleshoot the (inevitable) issues that come up along the way
[15:49] <megaproxy> in the slideshow.sh it just has "DISPLAY=:0.0 xdotool key control+Tab
[15:49] <megaproxy> :D
[15:49] <earl2> gordonDrogon: the proper ones I found were like $7 each, which is too expensive to buy 12 of.
[15:49] <earl2> that's like several rpi's
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[15:49] <kgee> steve_rox: I've got 4 model B units for a clustering / mesh networking project. #hatersgonnahate
[15:50] <earl2> as shown, I can make them out of $1 for the 12.
[15:50] <steve_rox> is that good?
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[15:50] <Andy1978> earl2: how do you want to use them?
[15:50] <earl2> kgee: But I am willing to take the software risk. I just have absolutely no idea how to hook anything up to anything and am afraid I will get stuck for weeks or fry a board, etc. when I could have just paid you guys to send me that part ifnished, so I can do the software (which I'm good at)\
[15:50] <kgee> steve_rox: neither here nor there, just playing on your pi-envy ;)
[15:51] <Andy1978> earl2: I guess they are highly nonlinear
[15:51] <steve_rox> heh
[15:51] <earl2> Andy1978: I just want to register relative forces, like "light/off", "medium", "heavy"
[15:51] <earl2> super-simple
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[15:51] <steve_rox> in other news tesco have been selling horse burgers
[15:51] <earl2> This part of the software I can write!! :)
[15:51] <steve_rox> along with other such shops
[15:51] <kgee> earl2: frying boards is a huge hit to a timeline. As a hardware newbie myself, I usually buy an extra part or two just in case. Waiting weeks on shipping is laaaaame
[15:51] <earl2> the only part I am uncomfortable doing is this physical assembly, since I've never touched hardware in my life, except to fry it forever.
[15:52] <earl2> anything I have ever opened has stopped working.
[15:52] <earl2> so...
[15:52] <earl2> :)
[15:52] <earl2> How long would it take you to assemble the twelve as shown?
[15:52] <earl2> with the 2 8-channel adc's?
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[15:52] <Shift_> You keep asking that, there's no answer to that question.
[15:53] <Shift_> Somewhere between an hour and a month
[15:53] <earl2> Well, say I found a partner (you or someone else here) who would do this part and let me write the software, and ship it to me assembled and ready for me to put whatever software I want on it. How much would you (or someone here) do that for me for?
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[15:54] <earl2> How can it take a month to put 12 of these on an rpi - http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-a-Ridiculously-Cheap-Analog-Pressure-S/
[15:54] <osfameron> earl2: it might be worth you looking up your local makerspace/hackspace?
[15:54] <earl2> it's literally two lines going into two input pins :(
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[15:54] <Shift_> I don't think anyone is going to do homework for money here
[15:54] <earl2> I just don't know how to assemble that
[15:54] <Shift_> at least I hope not
[15:54] <earl2> Shift_ Right, exactly. This is not homework :)
[15:54] <xzr> attach item a to item b and item c to item d
[15:54] <xzr> done
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[15:54] <earl2> I promise, and can send proof to whoever will partner with me on this
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[15:55] <earl2> osfameron, that might be a good idea
[15:55] <earl2> I just thought someone here would be able to do this in like an hour, and sell me the result for $50 and thanks :)
[15:55] <Shift_> Then I am sure you will find someone who will do it for the price of components and shipping.
[15:55] <earl2> I mean in addition to components
[15:55] <Datalink-M> Depends on assembler skill, really
[15:55] <kgee> earl2: my concern is that you'd trust a complete stranger to be more competent than yourself when it come to essentially running 8 jumper wires between 3 devices, then plugging in sensors. Have more faith in yourself!
[15:55] <osfameron> earl2: either someone will show you how to do it yourself, or be interested in partnering
[15:55] <earl2> Shift_ I think $50 is not that expensive for what we're talking about, and you get to do something cool
[15:56] <Datalink-M> Oh O was scrolled up
[15:56] <earl2> kgee, you guys aren't really strangers
[15:56] <Datalink-M> I*
[15:56] <kgee> earl2: I find the people here get stranger every day
[15:56] <Datalink-M> Fye mobile clients
[15:56] <Datalink-M> Kgee, I for one try
[15:56] <Shift_> earl2, nuh, I'll pass.
[15:56] <earl2> what you just aid, ??ssentially running 8 jumper wires between 3 devices, then pluggin in sensors" is going to take me about a week just to understand what you just said :/
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[15:56] <earl2> I am a complete hardware guy.
[15:56] <earl2> okay, Shift_
[15:57] <earl2> kgee, is there any chance we could work on this?
[15:57] <earl2> it's an extremely interesting prototype, and I can include a credit for helping build it :)
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[15:57] <kgee> earl2: no, because if I fry a board I'm responsible :P
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[15:57] <earl2> though the software - my end, what I can do - is also interesting and what I'm spending my time on.
[15:57] <kgee> I have enough worry about frying my own hardware thanks :)
[15:58] <Datalink-M> Earl2, it isn't as hard as you fear, just breadboard and be contious of what you're doing
[15:58] <earl2> kgee: exactly. I'd like to connect with someone competent enough no to fry boards while they assemble 12 pins :)
[15:58] <IT_Sean> 's not exactly brain science, you know.
[15:58] <earl2> Datalink-M: dude, others here routinely fry their equipment. And I've never soldered anything.
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[15:59] <earl2> Datalilnk-M: do you think you have the skills to do this?
[15:59] <Jck_true> earl2: Ehh - I haven't fried my 2 boards yet - I2C is pretty fool proof...
[15:59] <Datalink-M> Earl2, breadboard's a solderless solution for first stage prototyping.
[15:59] <Datalink-M> I have a low hourly rate
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[15:59] <IT_Sean> Eventually, you should learn to solder.
[15:59] <Andy1978> earl2: perhaps you could do a posting on the forum: "Can someone build 12 from this pressure sonsors with 2 8-channel ADCs and a ready to plug GPIO connector? I'll send him a new RaspberryPi for the effort..."
[15:59] <IT_Sean> It's rather central to Building Stuff.
[15:59] <steve_rox> wish i knew how to do the pi time delayed pic thing with a webcam , snow is gonna bomb this place on friday
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[16:00] <earl2> Andy1978, that is a great idea.
[16:00] <Datalink-M> Soldering is easy so long as you have steady hands, thin solder and an iron
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[16:00] <earl2> Andy1978, do you think the offer is enough to attract interested parties?
[16:01] <Shift_> Datalink-M, it's only easy once you know how. Most people put solder on the iron and then dab the cold pin with it and then think they just suck as soldering.
[16:01] <earl2> To be honest, I also am not great about knowing where to get this stuff. I was hoping to attract someone who already has the parts off-hand. so I would prefer to pay cash instead of a free raspberrypi. However I guess I could order that directly from the site to get sent to them, so nevermind.
[16:01] <Jck_true> steve_rox: Wanna catch snowflakes in midair or?
[16:01] <earl2> I just felt weird about offering something I don't have. I like your ad a lot!
[16:01] <Andy1978> It's not enough for me but perhaps for someone else. Just try it...
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[16:01] <earl2> Okay, I will
[16:02] <earl2> along those lines, now that you've mentioned ads... what do you think about Odesk? (e.g. typing in "arduino" there?)
[16:03] <steve_rox> nah i just wanted to see the snow grow in its fall on floor
[16:03] <steve_rox> and stuff
[16:03] <earl2> I just did that. On ODesk all the hits for Arduino are out of China. Would I get a good experience asking someone there to do that and send it to me?
[16:03] <earl2> or is that just barking up the wrong tree?
[16:03] <earl2> wait, some are in India :)
[16:04] <Shift_> earl2, .... if you put that much effort into thinking about how to do it yourself and going through a few gpio tutorials, you'd be halfway done by now.
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[16:04] <neilr> steve_rpx: just google for "raspberry pi timelapse photography" - I was looking at this just yesterday - controlling a Canon EOS DSLR from the R-pi. Looks pretty straightforward.
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[16:05] <earl2> Shift_ you don't understand. I would have to wait weeks for delivery as I don't have a single component in my home. I don't have a soldering iron. I don't have wires. I don't have or own anything.
[16:05] <steve_rox> i dont have a cannon cam
[16:05] <steve_rox> maybe if i had a remote shutter i could hotwire it into a relay
[16:05] <earl2> It would be: ordering these; waiting weeks for delivery; assembling in an hour or breaking it and waiting weeks more.
[16:05] <Shift_> earl2, if you got someone else to do it, they would also have to order components and then take ages to ship to you when they're done.
[16:05] <earl2> versus: Getting someone to do this within 3 days, send me the results, and bieng out $50
[16:06] <Jck_true> earl2: Close to a decent sized city?
[16:06] <neilr> Doesn't need to be Canon. A lot of cameras have a trigger for focus/shutter
[16:06] <earl2> Shift_: Oh. I thought someone else would have the components on hand...
[16:06] <Shift_> earl2, will this all be on a breadboard or you you need a proper pcb?
[16:06] <earl2> Shift_: Breadboard is fine!!!!
[16:06] <earl2> :)
[16:06] <earl2> (though I don't own any)
[16:06] <earl2> In fact in my house I couldn't even find any of that mentioned antistatic thing
[16:06] <Jck_true> http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces
[16:06] <Shift_> earl2, well... farnell can deliver you one overnight =D
[16:06] <earl2> brb
[16:07] <Shift_> earl2, also, what Jck_true said
[16:07] <earl2> farnell?
[16:08] <Jck_true> Shift_: Farnell aint too happy about delivering to customers :P
[16:08] <Shift_> newark/element14/farnell whatever they call themselves wherever you're from.
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[16:12] <earl2> how much is overnight delivery?
[16:13] <Shift_> I don't know if they still do that, but farnell used to deliver for free. Not always overnight, depends on availability and such.
[16:13] <Jck_true> earl2: I'm more worried if they ship to a private address - What country you in
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[16:15] <Jck_true> earl2: Hungary? :| Read their terms on their site http://hu.farnell.com/
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[16:22] <osfameron> ah, only one hackerspace in Hungary? (Budapest)
[16:23] <osfameron> though there are others in nearby neighbouring countries
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[16:23] <Shift_> http://au.element14.com/maxim-integrated-products/max1239eee/adc-serial-12bit-4-12-ch-1239/dp/1379849
[16:24] <Shift_> Not a DIP though
[16:24] <Shift_> but 12 channels
[16:24] <Shift_> and i2c
[16:24] <Shift_> and 3.3v
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[16:25] <Triffid_Hunter> Shift_: another aussie eh?
[16:26] <Shift_> Triffid_Hunter, as far as I can tell, yeah.
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[16:35] <earl2> yes guys i am temporarily in hungary
[16:35] <earl2> i would very much prefer if this didnt have to be built by me requesting components to be shipped here, waiting for them, etc
[16:36] <earl2> it would be so much simpler for someone to assemble it
[16:36] <earl2> especially if any additional components are needed or whatever
[16:36] <earl2> this could take me like 6 weeks all told!
[16:37] <IT_Sean> so... basically you are too lazy to build something yourself? Tell me... why did you even get a Pi in the first place??
[16:37] <Datalink-M> You could be very good at soldering and not even know
[16:37] <earl2> @IT_Sean, I have not gotten a pi. I'm not sure if I need an arduino instead.
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[16:37] <earl2> i can program it, and am good at programming, but I just have no time to spend on trying to do something I am totally incompetent in
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[16:37] <IT_Sean> you are shopping for a dev board, and don't want to build something yourself?
[16:37] <earl2> I mean, division and labor and all. I'm glad that I can program in Perl, C++, Python, etc! :)
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[16:38] * IT_Sean just walks away before he says something rude
[16:38] <earl2> @IT_Sean: that's correct. I would like someone to build the prototype, with the breadboard, for me to program and see if it's worth investing any more of my time in.
[16:38] <Shift_> I thought we were past that, heh.
[16:38] <earl2> @IT_Sean: surely what I'm asking is not that unusual. Huge numbers of people do this with software, even where that software is supposed to be accessible for everyone.
[16:39] <Datalink-M> Earl2, you're kinda looking at DIY folks here
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[16:40] <IT_Sean> Yeah... this is a DIY community. :p
[16:40] <IT_Sean> Sorry if i came off as a little caustic there... it's just a bit of an odd concept around here.
[16:41] <Datalink-M> Eae
[16:41] <Datalink-M> Blah...
[16:42] <Datalink-M> Earl2, I might be willing to look at this but not till the -m comes off my name, I'm not at home and won't be today
[16:46] * IT_Sean guesses the M is for mobile?
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[16:51] <Datalink-M> Yep
[16:51] <earl2> Datalink, sounds good to me, I'll look for you later.
[16:51] <earl2> though, I guess, not today.
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[16:52] <earl2> Datalink-M, based on your conception (which is what we would be working on) from my description, if I start spending the time to learn the software side (which I will build), how will I expect to interface with what you've just seen described?
[16:52] <earl2> (which is 12 pressure sensors connected to maybe 2 adc's)
[16:52] <earl2> Can I just read them with a small library from c/python/perl or whatever, or will I need to do more than that?
[16:53] <earl2> I am happy to learn this part myself (even as I wait for you) since this is what I'm good at.
[16:53] <Datalink-M> Depemds on the ADC, but yes, look at WiringPi
[16:53] <earl2> will do
[16:54] <earl2> so, here's the software description. There's basically a main loop that does its thing, and whenever it's interested it asks the status of the 12 sensors and gets them. could it work like this or is there some hardware limitation?
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[16:54] <Datalink-M> I was omce a software guu, today I'm wearing an 'I void warranties' shirt and have more secure bits than non
[16:54] <earl2> (i.e. having them connected blocks me from doing other stuff, or whatever).
[16:55] <Datalink-M> You will have to read but that's easy software side
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[16:55] <earl2> and do you expect that I can do multitasking (as I expect to on a modern os like the rpi runs) where I can do some things in one process, then in another read the sensors whenever I need the data?
[16:55] <earl2> okay
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[16:55] <earl2> by the way as I mentioned, it doesn't have to be precise, just "light, medium, heavy" push is enough for me.
[16:55] <Datalink-M> Oop solutions exist in Python and C family for this
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[16:56] <earl2> this is really good, thanks.
[16:56] <Datalink-M> I have limited tools from my phone plus I'm currently in a dairy section of a supermarket
[16:56] <earl2> ha, lol
[16:56] <earl2> that is a funny thing to add :)
[16:56] <earl2> okay, I will look for you without the -M.
[16:57] <Datalink-M> It's true though
[16:57] <earl2> Is that where you work? :-P
[16:57] <Datalink-M> No, just doing errands before a meeting then classes tonight
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[16:58] <earl2> okay
[16:58] <Datalink-M> I'd be dired if I texted like this at work
[16:58] <earl2> "dired" :)
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[16:58] <Datalink-M> Fired... s,q
[16:58] <Datalink-M> Small keyboard, so sue me
[16:59] <Datalink-M> I also should use the real slideout instead of the soft keyboard
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[16:59] <earl2> I just thought it's a nice verb: "To be dired: To get into a dire situation with the boss."
[17:01] <Datalink-M> Heh
[17:01] <earl2> hey guys thanks for all your feedback
[17:01] <earl2> ill see you all later
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> earl2, have you worked out the interfacing yet?
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> heh, I return to me desk, earl2 goes :)
[17:01] <earl2> gordonDrogon, if you mean what i think yea mean then "yes"
[17:01] <Torikun> yo
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> yo
[17:01] <earl2> maybe I'll see you on later gordonDrogon, perhaps in 35 min
[17:01] <earl2> see you guys
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[17:02] <gordonDrogon> very probably ;)
[17:03] <Datalink-M> I may not be desperate for tuition this semester if he's at all familiar what's 'low' for EEs
[17:03] <Datalink-M> $.$
[17:04] <Datalink-M> Must not pimp self out on IRC...
[17:04] <neilr> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21043693
[17:05] <neilr> Take on the work, then outsource it :)
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[17:06] <atouk> by the amount of time some pwople seem to spend here on IRC, it looks like there is a lot of that going on already...
[17:06] <Torikun> wtf CHina now!
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[17:07] <Torikun> that was a good idea
[17:07] <Torikun> he's smart neilr
[17:08] <neilr> Smart enough to spend all his spare time watching videos of cats...
[17:08] <Torikun> lol
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[17:08] <nid0> what I want to know is where on earth you find outsourced employees who can do the job well enough for no-one to notice, because i've never known any outsourced anything that good
[17:08] <aaa801> greetings from razdroid
[17:09] <atouk> "cats" is corporate speak for "pron"
[17:09] <Torikun> anyone want a hosted znc account on my PI cluster ?
[17:09] <aaa801> E/LOGGY_WARG( 181): EGL_SUCCESS!
[17:09] <aaa801> E/LOGGY_WARG( 181): surface found.
[17:09] <biff_tannen> sure
[17:09] <Torikun> DM me
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[17:10] <aaa801> ReggieUK
[17:10] <Datalink-M> How many nodes, Torikun?
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[17:11] <Torikun> 2, node3 coems in soon
[17:12] <Datalink-M> Nice, I wanna build a cluster some day
[17:12] <Torikun> the cluster is mostly for the drupal site: http://www.linux-toys.com
[17:12] <Torikun> has load balancing
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> Datalink-M, you could build a cluster out of LXC instances on a single good PC and still be faster than a small number of Pis ...
[17:13] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: http://troll.ws/paste/52fd503a
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> Heh. just read that site - is it yours, Torikun ?
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[17:14] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, what?
[17:14] <megaproxy> bah overscan wont work
[17:14] <megaproxy> still have black boarder all around..
[17:14] <aaa801> Log of our android build running on latest kernel
[17:14] <aaa801> with vchiq5
[17:15] <Armand> Torikun, looks like some spam comments on there. O_o
[17:15] <Torikun> lol
[17:15] <Torikun> me and my daughter testing it
[17:15] <Armand> Ahh
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> noticed the thing about diverting /var/log to /dev/null... isn't it easer to just turn of syslogd ??
[17:15] <Torikun> oh nm
[17:16] <Torikun> your right!
[17:16] <Torikun> ty Armand
[17:16] <Torikun> it is spam
[17:16] <Armand> Submitted by nfl jerseys (not verified) on Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:50
[17:16] <Armand> Analysts avoid be expecting lower prices with regard to cell phone servicesBy LEONG STRUNG YEE
[17:16] <Armand> nfl jerseys
[17:16] <Armand> lol
[17:16] <megaproxy> Torikun, you have a pi cluster?
[17:16] <Torikun> Yeah
[17:16] <megaproxy> hax
[17:16] <megaproxy> how many nodes?
[17:16] <Torikun> nginx 2-3 right now
[17:16] <megaproxy> oh wait i think iw as talking to you the other day!
[17:17] <Torikun> node 4 comes in this week
[17:17] <megaproxy> v neat project :D
[17:17] <Armand> Set accounts to Admin approval and keep an eye out for spam-bots on your applications for accounts. ;)
[17:17] <megaproxy> i was going to do something like this myself
[17:17] <Torikun> cool
[17:17] <DeliriumTremens> Torikun: pics
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[17:17] <megaproxy> ohcrap... being ddos'd
[17:17] <megaproxy> >.<
[17:17] <Torikun> yup
[17:17] <Datalink-M> Eep?
[17:18] <megaproxy> someones attacking one of the shared hosting servers..
[17:18] <megaproxy> y do this?!
[17:18] <Torikun> dunno
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[17:19] <gordonDrogon> megaproxy, it happens - best start dropping routes...
[17:19] <megaproxy> yea, network guys are sorting it
[17:19] <Torikun> ok deleted spam
[17:19] <Torikun> lol
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[17:20] <nid0> bigger pipes and servers needed
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[17:28] <gordonDrogon> A way to very quickly identify the DDoSer and nuke them is what's needed...
[17:29] <megaproxy> we have big pipes
[17:29] <megaproxy> and big servers
[17:29] <megaproxy> ddos has been mitigated in 3 mins
[17:29] <megaproxy> :)
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[17:31] <Datalink-M> One thing my former roommate did when he upset a script kiddie in IRC was to block the slow ping, then the rest died
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[17:32] <Datalink-M> He then laughed at the script kiddie publicly
[17:32] <Datalink-M> Next attack got redirected to the kid's proxy
[17:33] <Datalink-M> The ping source, not the IRC one
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[17:35] <Datalink-M> Ehe, was laughworthy, kid didn't talk trash with him after that
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[17:38] <Datalink-M> That boring, ehe?
[17:39] <megaproxy> lol id like to do stuff like that
[17:39] <megaproxy> networking isnt my forte tho
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[17:39] <Datalink-M> Meh, I'm content to just turn off ping and mask stuff
[17:39] <alcaprawn> Datalink-M:
[17:39] <alcaprawn> u noob
[17:39] <alcaprawn> :D
[17:40] * Armand throws alcaprawn back in the sea
[17:40] <alcaprawn> :D
[17:40] * megaproxy spins on his chair
[17:40] <Jayface> hello
[17:40] <alcaprawn> i like that one, Armand
[17:40] <alcaprawn> ;DD sup bro
[17:40] <megaproxy> i forgot to eat breakfast
[17:40] <alcaprawn> Jayface: ...
[17:40] <megaproxy> and lunch
[17:40] <alcaprawn> how can we assist youuuuuuuuuu
[17:40] <Datalink-M> alcaprawn, no, just lazy
[17:40] <Jayface> whats the name of that multi emulation program for the pi?
[17:40] <megaproxy> and ill no doubt forget dinner too
[17:40] <megaproxy> :(
[17:40] <alcaprawn> ;DD
[17:40] <alcaprawn> does this look like
[17:40] <alcaprawn> raspberrypI
[17:40] <alcaprawn> help?
[17:40] <Datalink-M> Mame?
[17:41] <alcaprawn> OH shit it is >.>
[17:41] <Armand> megaproxy, is it beer o' clock yet?
[17:41] <Jayface> no no not mame
[17:41] <alcaprawn> 4:41
[17:41] <alcaprawn> time for a reefa..
[17:41] <megaproxy> Armand, on a totally empty tummeh?
[17:41] <megaproxy> i think not!
[17:41] <alcaprawn> isnt mame for gameS?
[17:41] <megaproxy> ill get drunk off a sipo
[17:41] <Armand> O_o
[17:41] <Armand> purse
[17:41] <alcaprawn> what u drinking megaproxy
[17:41] <Jayface> arcade only i believe
[17:41] <Datalink-M> Qemu?
[17:41] <megaproxy> alcaprawn, air
[17:41] <alcaprawn> what flavour u guys running on you're pi?
[17:41] <alcaprawn> fedora sucks balls >.<
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[17:41] <megaproxy> cheese and onion
[17:41] <Datalink-M> Rasbian
[17:41] <Jayface> occidentalis
[17:42] <alcaprawn> pickle and pineapple
[17:42] <alcaprawn> occidentalis?
[17:42] <Armand> Raspbian
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> whats todays google doodle about?
[17:42] <alcaprawn> i was gonna try raspbian i guess its the fastest
[17:42] <Jayface> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-educational-linux-distro/occidentalis-v0-dot-1
[17:42] <alcaprawn> cheers Jayface
[17:42] <Jayface> its raspbian based
[17:42] <Armand> gordonDrogon, preparations for winter olympics, maybe ?
[17:43] <Jayface> cheery cheers
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> Armand, Hm. no idea - don't follow sport.
[17:43] <alcaprawn> looks nice Jayface
[17:43] <Jayface> it is
[17:43] <Jayface> bunch of dev tools built in
[17:43] <Jayface> just saves apt-gets
[17:43] <alcaprawn> :P
[17:44] <alcaprawn> no dirty backdoors? i hope
[17:44] <alcaprawn> i cant even install it wahh
[17:44] <Jayface> i wouldnt think so, although i havent reviewed every line of code
[17:44] <Armand> Me neither, gordonDrogon..
[17:44] <alcaprawn> dont have sdcard slot on this puter
[17:44] <alcaprawn> and you need to install to /boot right?
[17:44] <alcaprawn> or can u edit config to boot from usb drive instead? please advice before i format it :D
[17:45] <Jayface> well i never have
[17:45] <Jayface> but since its based on raspbian i would assume you can
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[17:49] <alcaprawn> u mean based on ubuntu :P
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[17:51] <Jayface> is raspbian based on ubuntu i always assumed it was based on debian
[17:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> debian
[17:51] <chris_99> based on debian i thought
[17:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> ubuntu does not work on the raspberry
[17:52] <chris_99> unity would be slooooow too
[17:52] <Jayface> god yeah
[17:52] <Jayface> im switching to xfce, does it run well on the pi?
[17:52] <Jayface> i hate lxde
[17:52] <Armand> It's debian, hence the "-bian"
[17:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> alcaprawn yes you can transfer booting to a usb hd after the inital boot -
[17:52] <Armand> ?_?
[17:53] <Armand> Frickin' les-bian...
[17:53] <Jayface> yeah i was referencing the comment above mine
[17:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> chaneg teh config.txt file of boot from /dev/sda1 <- or whererever you have put it
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[17:54] <kgee> Armand: good name for a french localization distro? "The - bian".
[17:55] <Jayface> oh yeah the second you start using debian youre issued a suburu forrester and birkenstocks
[17:55] <kgee> at least thats the story you can tell the nay sayers :)
[17:55] <Armand> kgee, I don't get it.. O.o
[17:55] * Armand is not French, contrary to rumour. :P
[17:55] <kgee> Armand: nm, I'm too tired for decent puns. Just a play off of 'les-bian'
[17:55] <Armand> Ahh.
[17:56] <Armand> I R slow. ---
[17:56] <Armand> -_-
[17:56] <kgee> also, 'decent puns' might be an oxymoron, but that's up to debate
[17:56] <Jayface> its cool, we cant be good at every programming language
[17:56] <Armand> Yeah.. the French "debate" a lot..
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[18:00] <Kane> o/
[18:00] <Datalink-M> Whee
[18:00] <Datalink-M> Irc client gagged on switch to wifi
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[18:05] <arcanescu> is the gst-openmax h264 encoder working?
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> Tea. Done. that was a nice mug of tea.
[18:06] <Datalink-M> Yay tea
[18:07] <s5fs> coffee!
[18:07] <netzvieh> tea!
[18:07] * s5fs waves yankee flag
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[18:07] <s5fs> coworker roasts his own coffee, we just refilled the espresso machine with his beans. took 30min of fooling around but we did it.
[18:08] <Armand> O_o
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[18:08] <s5fs> of course, the problem with coffee experiments is that you start out pulling shots, adjusting the grind and water, tasting, adjusting, rinse/repeat and the next thing you know you've had 15 shots and wooooooo!!! pushup contest!
[18:08] <Armand> ck pushups ? :P
[18:09] <s5fs> :D
[18:09] <Armand> Tenacious D!! \m/
[18:10] <s5fs> sorry mate, don't know their work well enough to rejoice with ya
[18:10] <Armand> lol
[18:11] <s5fs> but i did have some mild success with my rpi project last night, haha! had an 8gig card that wouldn't work, buddy helped me re-partition it and i was able to get a successful boot. kernel panicked, but that's okay.
[18:11] <Datalink-M> I marvel at how few folks customize hardware...
[18:11] <Armand> s5fs, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365830/
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[18:11] <s5fs> Datalink-M: customize in what sense?
[18:11] <Datalink-M> Or even OSes
[18:11] <Armand> Datalink-M, I do mods..
[18:11] <Datalink-M> Make it your own, basically
[18:11] <Armand> Not much recently, but I'm looking at making & painting PC cases.
[18:11] <ParkerR> Datalink-M, I chopped off my composite video plug
[18:11] <s5fs> does adding/removing stickers count?
[18:11] <ParkerR> Never use it
[18:12] <Armand> I put a sticker on my Pi case. :P
[18:12] <Datalink-M> Hell, around here the sales stickers tend to be on laptops on campus
[18:12] <ParkerR> I laugh when I see people with the original cling screen protector on something
[18:12] <s5fs> i usually de-badge my items, including clothing. i hate the idea of advertising for free, i'm not a racecar driver.
[18:12] <Armand> Ha!
[18:12] <Armand> Me too.
[18:12] <Datalink-M> I wanna get a rainbow lead ribbon for my pi, to match the pibow
[18:12] <s5fs> ParkerR: yeah, it's the digital equivalent of plastic on your furniture
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[18:13] <Armand> I put a sticker over the crApple logo on my phone. -_-
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[18:13] <gordonDrogon> coffee in the morning, tea in the afternoon/evening (for me)
[18:13] <ParkerR> I customize android on my Nexus 7
[18:13] <Datalink-M> I have a custom login wallpaper on my windows system, need to finish my boot logo for this Android
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[18:13] <ParkerR> I hate stock a lot of times
[18:14] <s5fs> gordonDrogon: that's a nice balance, i'm trying to work more tea into my life in general. right now i'm a single cup of coffee in the morning, that's it. occasionally evening tea.
[18:14] <ParkerR> I HAVE to do something to it
[18:14] <Datalink-M> Should see the desktop boot anim though I need to redo it
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[18:15] <s5fs> Datalink-M: back in the day i used to customize my OS, that was all the rage in linux desktop-land. now i find that i just don't care as much, although i do have grub playing the super mario theme on boot.
[18:15] <Datalink-M> I still wanna replace the color gradient and pi startup console
[18:15] <Torikun> nice s5fs
[18:15] <Datalink-M> s5fs, nice
[18:15] <aram> hello. my rpis arrived yesterday, so I bought some SD cards for them, including this one: http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-sd-card/ how come they claim 20-40MB/sec and I only get 1.5MB/sec both on the pis and on my laptops? am I missing something trivial?
[18:16] <s5fs> i bought a usb->serial cable from adafruit for the pi, tested it out last night, works wonderfully. single cable provides data and power, allowing me to connect via screen from my laptop, easy peasy.
[18:16] <Datalink-M> aram, limitation of host hardware, perhaps
[18:16] <s5fs> aram: could also be knock-off cards, you get from a reputable reseller?
[18:17] <s5fs> usually though, knock-offs skimp on capacity
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[18:17] <Datalink-M> Take some cheapies, slap a logo on, I tend to buy my cards from brick and morter
[18:17] <s5fs> Datalink-M: brick and mortar? don't know that website ;-)
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> s5fs, there are some good decaf teas & coffees now too if it's caffeine you avoid - my wifes a bit overly sensitive to it, so we always have decaf in the house too..
[18:18] <Datalink-M> It requires youn to leave the basement to get to, usually just hit Walmart or local equiv
[18:18] <aram> s5fs: interesting thought. never bought anything before from, so hard to tell. they are very big and have everything though. Datalink-M: perhaps, but it is consistent across many devices, and seems awfully low even for some very low end stuff.
[18:18] <s5fs> gordonDrogon: i love the caffeine, i can't kick it (professional obligation, programmer)
[18:18] <Datalink-M> gordonDrogon, the horror :)
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[18:19] <Datalink-M> Aram, I would question if it's a knockoff at that point
[18:19] <s5fs> gordonDrogon: mostly i'm a creature of habit, i need to intentionally change routine if i want things to stick.
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[18:20] <s5fs> aram: you could also try a different card reader. i cannot use my internal card reader with linux, doesn't work for crap. i also have a usb reader, it performs much better on my usb 2.0 port than my 1.1 ports, go figure.
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[18:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> internal sd card reads are ususally SD and not SDHC IIRC
[18:23] <aram> Datalink-M: s5fs: I just tried my class 4 card from my camera and it is literally 8 times faster than these class 10 cards I got yesterday. what a rip off.
[18:23] <mjr> rattus, not really. Maybe if your hardware is really old.
[18:23] <mjr> but that applies to external ones too
[18:23] <Datalink-M> congrats, you have a chinese knockoff
[18:24] <aram> heh.
[18:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm - time to de-freeze tehg car
[18:24] <Datalink-M> Hope it was cheap
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[18:24] <bparker> aram: my class 10 is just as fast as my hard drive
[18:24] <bparker> at least 20MB/s
[18:25] <mjr> class 10 card specs are more optimized towards sequential access (for big files), the earlier classifications were more random access friendly afaik, thus a good class 4/6 card can easily be faster for pi's random access usage patterns than a class 10. But depends.
[18:25] <aram> yeah. heh. thanks guys.
[18:25] <s5fs> aram: sorry to hear that, but i'm glad we found the issue. i've never landed a knock-off card, if you got a decent deal its kind of a neat item to have.
[18:26] <Armand> 5MB/s on a class2.
[18:27] <Datalink-M> I usually use 4s
[18:27] <s5fs> i'm using cheap class 10s
[18:28] <s5fs> my fav card so far is a 4gig class 10 'amazon basics' card, it was less than $6 shipped
[18:29] <s5fs> my least fav card is a patriot class 10 8gig microsd, that thing was a bear from day one. i had to bring it to work and get my embedded guy to help me partition it. thats not cool.
[18:29] <bparker> im using 16gb patriot class10's and they work great
[18:29] <bparker> SD, not micro
[18:30] <s5fs> yeah, i don't know what the deal was. i think i may have borked the card early on, and while i'm no fdisk expert, i can follow instructions like nobody's business.
[18:30] <Davespice> anyone here building a mame cabinet out of a Pi?
[18:30] <s5fs> the 'final fix' was to follow the beagleboard partitioning process, but save and back out of fdisk at every major step.
[18:31] <Davespice> I just found this little device called a Kade, looks like the perfect thing for wiring up the controls to the Pi USB ports;
[18:31] <Davespice> http://kadevice.com/
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[18:31] <s5fs> Davespice: i'm helping a friend built a picade, and have also built a mame cab in the past
[18:32] <Davespice> cool, never done one myself
[18:32] <s5fs> this was several years ago, had a full upright machine with a 27" monitor. was super fun, but once it was playable the work stopped and it just sat in the garage and looked like crap and got boatloads of use.
[18:33] <s5fs> come to find out having an arcade in teh garage is awesome.
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[18:33] <Davespice> I fancy getting one and seeing what else you could do with it, probably would be able to get any retro controller to work
[18:33] <Davespice> haha cool
[18:33] <swart> do you use usb controllers for that or gpio?
[18:33] <s5fs> Davespice: for my buddy's build, we're using usb 'retro' controllers. i can drop you the bill of materials if you want.
[18:34] <Davespice> you program it via USB and I assume the input is also via usb to the Pi
[18:34] <Armand> I want to build a 1942 machine ^_^
[18:34] <Davespice> there are different firmwares you can load onto it depending on what type of set up you want
[18:35] <swart> interesting. I was thinking of rolling my own opengl framework. could be time consuming :)
[18:35] * MichaelC|Away is now known as MichaelC
[18:35] <Armand> Yup
[18:35] <Davespice> check their pitch video on here, it explains everything pretty well; http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kadevice/kade-connects-arcade-controls-to-computers-and-con
[18:36] <kgee> swart: That sounds like way more geometry than one could shake a stick at. Why on earth would you roll your own opengl?
[18:36] <swart> I have a bunch of gles stuff I wrote for the iphone. was just going to port that
[18:36] <TAFB> I've funded a few kickstarter projects lately :) CST-01 watch and a few others :)
[18:36] <kgee> ah, I see. Filling a need.
[18:37] <swart> I bought some controllers and buttons I was going to connect to gpio
[18:37] <s5fs> TAFB: i keep thinking about it, but haven't found anything i'm super interested in.
[18:37] <swart> but now I'm more focused on woodworking :)
[18:37] <Armand> TAFB, I need some funded myself... ;)
[18:37] <bparker> Davespice: I couldn't even get a snes emulator to run on the pi
[18:37] <Armand> *funding..
[18:37] <s5fs> bparker: performance issues or..?
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[18:37] <s5fs> cuz i'm hoping to get snes working too
[18:37] <Davespice> I've had a NES emulator working...
[18:37] <s5fs> in truth, if i get nes tetris working well i'll be happy
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[18:38] <bparker> well the only app I could find was snes9x and it was just always a black screen
[18:38] <Davespice> s5fs: was doing exactly that last night as it happens
[18:38] <TAFB> s5fs: i just looked though, found the watch, the 12 watt LED bulbs (i've tried a ton of LED bulbs and they've all sucked bad. Why does my $4 flashlight MURDER a $50 LED bulb? ROFL!), and I can't remember the rest :)
[18:38] <bparker> and I just use an x-arcade stick for the controls
[18:38] <Torikun> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1655017763/cst-01-the-worlds-thinnest-watch looks awesome
[18:39] <s5fs> TAFB: haha, that watch looks like a slap bracelet
[18:39] <TAFB> that's the one I ordered, in black :)
[18:39] <TAFB> it does a funny flash thing when the time changes (unlike the white)
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[18:39] <TAFB> so it might put some peeps off
[18:39] <swart> Davespice: thanks for the kade link. that looks fantastic
[18:39] <Davespice> s5fs: http://karmanebula.com/glint-downloads/ here you go
[18:39] <s5fs> i have fairly small hands, so most mens watches look fug on me. i'd assume this 'one size' watch is the wrong size for me too haha
[18:39] <Davespice> swart: it does look pretty awesome hey?
[18:40] <s5fs> Davespice: yeah, already got a glint image on a card, haha
[18:40] <Armand> s5fs, same here. -_-
[18:40] <axion> is the author of the retroarch-rbp port in here?
[18:40] <TAFB> Torikun: http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/3853500/central-standard-timing-cst-01-watch-hands-on
[18:40] <bparker> what does retroarch use for snes emulation on the pi?
[18:40] <Davespice> s5fs: cool, did you get any minor sound glitches in Tetris?
[18:40] <ParkerR> bparker, It uses retroarch for everything
[18:40] <axion> use as in what?
[18:40] <ParkerR> So whatever core retroarch uses
[18:41] <Armand> bparker, http://www.libretro.org/
[18:41] <Armand> ?
[18:41] <s5fs> Davespice: i haven't connected it to a monitor or speakers yet. i'm mainly just using the rpi to learn how to build angstrom images, i connect over serial cables.
[18:41] <axion> i compiled retroarch many times successfully, but the binary will not run due to undefined symbols in libOpenVG
[18:41] <Davespice> oh right I see
[18:41] <swart> Davespice: I like that they know what the hell they're doing :)
[18:41] <axion> any help please
[18:41] <Davespice> swart: yeah, the pre-sets are impressive
[18:42] <Torikun> how can I buy a watch TAFB
[18:42] <s5fs> Davespice: i hope to check it out later in the week, just not feeling motivated as it's not my focus ("its for a friend" haha!)
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[18:42] <bparker> Armand: so.. they re-wrote every emulator core?
[18:42] <Armand> https://github.com/libretro/libretro.github.com/wiki/Supported-cores
[18:43] <bparker> or does it use like, snes9x or bsnes or something internally
[18:43] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[18:43] <Armand> No idea.. just what I found there.
[18:43] <TAFB> Torikun: the CST-01? lol. you'll have to pledge on kickstarter and wait a few months!
[18:43] <axion> bsnes if you want...pocketsnes if you want...whatever backend you choose for retroarch
[18:43] <Torikun> minimum to get one?
[18:43] <Torikun> lol
[18:44] <TAFB> $129 USD
[18:44] <Torikun> dang
[18:44] <TAFB> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1655017763/cst-01-the-worlds-thinnest-watch
[18:45] <Torikun> 99 for te watch
[18:45] <TAFB> over on the right, "pledge $129 or more"
[18:45] <TAFB> delivery: sept 2013
[18:45] <axion> retroarch compiled...wheni run it cannot find the OpenVG library, despite it being in my ld cache path of /opt/vc/lib. if i symlink it to /lib, it finds it but gives undefined symbols
[18:45] <s5fs> too rich for my blood
[18:45] <axion>
[18:45] <axion> retroarch: error while loading shared libraries: libOpenVG.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:46] <axion> sudo ln -s /opt/vc/lib/libOpenVG.so /lib
[18:46] <axion> [axion@pibox:~]$ retroarch
[18:46] <axion> retroarch: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libOpenVG.so: undefined symbol: client_process_state
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[18:46] <TAFB> Torikun: I have my camera working through my Arch box! :)
[18:46] <Torikun> Got pic?
[18:46] <Torikun> lol
[18:46] <Torikun> Great news
[18:46] <TAFB> hehe
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[18:46] <TAFB> I'm having aspect ratio problem, but it's the stupid camera, once I solve it, it will be perfect :)
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[18:46] <Torikun> how do you record with it
[18:46] <TAFB> http://50f6d0af8fcc4.click2stream.com/
[18:47] <TAFB> right click on the stream, choose "uniform", then right click on it again, and choose "fill"
[18:47] <Torikun> ok
[18:47] <TAFB> i have not got the recording working yet :)
[18:47] <Torikun> black screen
[18:47] <ParkerR> Haha
[18:47] <ParkerR> TAFB, Thats neat
[18:47] <Torikun> ok loading now
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[18:47] <Torikun> wow
[18:47] <Torikun> neat
[18:47] <ParkerR> TAFB, Walk in front of it :D
[18:47] <Torikun> awesome tafb
[18:47] <TAFB> haha
[18:48] <Torikun> lol
[18:48] <Torikun> he did
[18:48] <TAFB> soon you can click a button and turn on the fireplace too :)
[18:48] <Torikun> How do you get teh recording workign on linux
[18:48] <Torikun> that website just works?
[18:48] <ParkerR> My stream must be behind then
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[18:49] <TAFB> Torikun: I'm using on Arch, program called crtmpserver
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[18:49] <TAFB> it takes RTSP stream from camera and transcodes it for RTMP flash/HTML5 :)
[18:49] <ParkerR> ATFB, wlak in front of it again XD
[18:49] <Torikun> nice
[18:49] <s5fs> haha, awesome living room
[18:49] <ParkerR> :DDDDD
[18:49] <s5fs> need moar screens and half-assembled computers
[18:49] <TAFB> that's my basement :)
[18:50] <TAFB> haha
[18:50] <s5fs> hey, angle the tv towards the camera more, i'm having trouble watching the program ;-)
[18:50] <TAFB> that computer in the background is doing data recovery on laptop hard drive right now (ddrescue)
[18:50] <BigShip> TAFB: resend link? I dc'd and didn't get it :(
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[18:50] <TAFB> http://50f6d0af8fcc4.click2stream.com/
[18:50] <BigShip> yay
[18:50] <s5fs> yikes, an ape!!
[18:51] <s5fs> thats good fun. cam being handled by the rpi?
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[18:51] <BigShip> pandas!!
[18:51] <TAFB> not the Pi, my Seagate Go Flex Home box, but a Pi could do it just as well.
[18:51] <BigShip> oi... pandas banging
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[18:52] <Torikun> TAFB: how did upgrading arch go
[18:52] <Torikun> did you reboot
[18:52] <s5fs> TAFB: gotcha. i've got a little aeroponics system at home, was thinking about time lapse photography
[18:52] <TAFB> s5fs: do you have a good camera? I read people using the Pi to trigger Canon SLR camera for time lapse
[18:53] <s5fs> TAFB: nope, just some cheap webcams. i'm only growing basil and stuff, haha
[18:53] <TAFB> I grow Sundews and venus fly traps :)
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[18:56] <s5fs> got an aerogarden 3 for $20 off craigslist, new in box. it came with herb seeds, so that's what i'm growing.
[18:56] <TAFB> Nice! What lights?
[18:57] <s5fs> it comes with a single bulb, no idea the wattage
[18:57] <Torikun> What is te PI's wattage?
[18:57] <Torikun> anyone know
[18:57] <s5fs> no idea
[18:57] * Torikun needs a wattsup meter
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[18:58] <s5fs> yeah those are neat
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[18:58] <Triffid_Hunter> Torikun: watts = max current * 5v.. not sure what max current is but it should be 700mA or less
[18:58] <Datalink-M> It takes 500mA at 5V, so easy to calculate with ohm's law
[18:58] <Triffid_Hunter> so nore more than ~4 watts
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[18:58] <Torikun> oh so small
[18:58] <Torikun> ty
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[18:59] <Datalink-M> Aim for 500, it varies by load but that's expected load
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> TAFB, http://unicorn.drogon.net/venus.jpg
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[18:59] <TAFB> s5fs: if you need serious growing power, I use these lights: www.ebay.com/itm/120988207171
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[18:59] <Torikun> nice Gordio
[18:59] <TAFB> he can provide whatever K bulbs you need, they work amazing.
[18:59] <Triffid_Hunter> Torikun: remember, things you plug into the usb ports also consume power, if you're power supply shopping I'd suggest at least 1A.. I'm using a 2.5A usb hub supply plugged direct into the gpio header at the moment
[18:59] <Torikun> ty
[19:00] <littlebearz> http://unicorn.drogon.net/venus.jpg
[19:00] <TAFB> gordonDrogon: Looks like he eats well :)
[19:00] <littlebearz> nice pretty flower
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[19:00] <gordonDrogon> I only have the one pot and it's not doing too well this winter. Ah well.
[19:00] <s5fs> TAFB: well, i do have a 400w hps ballast and enclosed hood in the closet but that's prob overkill for two little herbs
[19:00] <TAFB> lol :)
[19:00] <TAFB> gordonDrogon: http://ecuflashking.com/sundews/2012-08-22-Sundew_setup/large/IMG_3074.jpg
[19:01] <s5fs> got it off a friend who needed $ to make rent. been sitting in my closet for a couple years, i'm not much of a pawn dealer.
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> TAFB, not bad!
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[19:01] <TAFB> thanks :) http://ecuflashking.com/sundews/2012-09-12-Sundew_pics/large/IMG_3141.jpg
[19:01] <TAFB> they are just small, but doing good :)
[19:01] * gordonDrogon nods.
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> I keep thinking I'll make more effort, but you know ...
[19:02] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/flytrap/2010-07-24-newhome/large/IMG_5644.jpg
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[19:03] <TAFB_food> brb, lunch
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[19:06] <gordonDrogon> Hm. food. good idea. wonder what shake I'll have now...
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[19:06] <s5fs> gordonDrogon: doesn't matter, have whatever shake you want for breakfast and for lunch, just make sure you have a sensible dinner.
[19:07] <Armand> *cheesy grin*
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[19:08] <s5fs> o/ glad someone caught the reference
[19:08] <Armand> ^_^
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> s5fs, yea, my dinner (now) is cookies & cream.
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[19:10] <earl2> hi again
[19:10] <BigShip> What time you guys have? I'm still waiting on Lunch here
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[19:11] <s5fs> BigShip: portland oregon, 10:11am
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[19:11] <littlebearz> gmt -5
[19:11] <Armand> 18:11
[19:11] <BigShip> s5fs: dang, lucky. You still have access to breakfast :/
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> 18:12 here - UK.
[19:12] <s5fs> BigShip: breakfast is all day in my world
[19:12] <BigShip> s5fs: Oh god you just made my day... I forgot I can just go to the diner near my house
[19:13] <BigShip> 13:12 here. Feels later though, its so grey out :/
[19:13] <TAFB_food> don't go by time on camera feed, it's set to china time minus one month, lol. but my status page is always right: http://tafb.yi.org
[19:13] <TAFB_food> ohhhh gettin some good uptime :)
[19:13] <BigShip> oh wow TAFB, whats that setup?
[19:13] <s5fs> BigShip: go for it! we do 'breakfast for dinner' occasionally here, it's fun!
[19:14] <s5fs> hash browns are good anytime
[19:14] <Armand> ^ +10!
[19:14] <TAFB_food> BigShip: it's running in that little black box in the pic (Seagate GoFlex Home)
[19:14] <TAFB_food> it came for free with some hard drives I bought
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[19:14] <TAFB_food> 1.2ghz, sata2, usb2, gigabit ethernet, makes the Pi look silly :)
[19:14] <Armand> I want a NAS. -_-
[19:15] <BigShip> Is that your NAS run off a pi?
[19:15] <TAFB_food> BigShip: that little black box IS like the Pi, it's the entire computer, no Pi anywhere :)
[19:15] <Armand> Ohh.. plus, 3 Pi (+SD cards) and 3 solar panels..
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[19:15] <TAFB_food> my Pi is currently getting set up for running on solar panel, streaming a camera or two
[19:16] <Armand> Battery ratings?
[19:17] <TAFB_food> Armand: 27,200mah :)
[19:17] <BigShip> hmm, very cool. Making me want a NAS. Gotta head out though, see yall later
[19:17] <Armand> 27Ah.. Nice. :D
[19:17] <s5fs> BigShip: take care
[19:17] <BigShip> s5fs: thanks again for the idea ;)
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[19:17] <Armand> I've got 28Ah @12v here
[19:17] <s5fs> anytime, haha!
[19:17] <axion> TAFB_food: link
[19:17] <TAFB_food> Armand: nice! Mine's 27ah at 4v :) lol
[19:17] <Armand> 4?!
[19:17] <Armand> O_o
[19:18] <TAFB_food> it's eight of these batteries: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/10pcs-Panasonic-3-6V-3400mAh-NCR18650B-18650-Li-ion-Battery-Made-In-JAPAN-New-/221175245553?pt=US_Rechargeable_Batteries&hash=item337f126af1
[19:18] <axion> i got 1 of these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/3-in-1-DC-5V-15000mAh-9V-8500mAh-12V6500mAh-Super-Rechargeable-Lithium-ion-Battery-for-camera/520254804.html
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[19:18] <TAFB_food> in two of these battery boxes (2amps in, 2amps out): http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-USB-5V-2A-Mobile-Power-Supply-18650-Battery-Charger-box-iphone-4s-5-/170922278103?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item27cbc2fcd7
[19:18] <Armand> I'm using 4 deep-cycle (lead-acid?) at 7Ah each.
[19:18] <Armand> 2.5KG a pop. :P
[19:18] <Datalink-M> Hm, what's a good tutorial for building a cross-compile env for a Pi?
[19:19] <axion> 15000mah 12v/9v/5v outputs
[19:19] <TAFB_food> my solar panel array does a maximum of 4.4 amps at 5v :) http://imageshack.us/a/img708/8146/img4167eg.jpg
[19:19] <Armand> Not how I'd do it, obviously.. but, I've got other stuff I want to run at 12v. :)
[19:20] <Armand> I'm using a regulator to provide 5v to USB ports.
[19:20] <axion> i run a pi with a 3.5" on that battery
[19:20] <axion> 5v/12v
[19:20] <Armand> Sweet
[19:21] <TAFB_food> axion: do you know what kind of battery/batteries are inside?
[19:22] <Armand> I need to expand on my project, to add more units.. I want 3 more Pi for phase2.
[19:22] <axion> brand? no idea
[19:22] <Armand> About ?200. -_-
[19:22] <TAFB_food> no, type, like 18650's, etc.
[19:23] <TAFB_food> like, that's it look like with the cover off ;)
[19:23] <axion> nope
[19:23] <Armand> Huummm
[19:24] <cubicool> Is there any work being done to create an accelerated videocore driver for X? I have code that bypasses X and uses VideoCore directly, but I was just curious what the state was and how I could keep up with it. :)
[19:24] <Armand> I've got a salvaged battery pack from a Dell laptop here, TAFB_food..
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[19:24] <Armand> 11.1v, 85W, Li-ion.
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[19:25] <TAFB> i tried a bunch of laptop packs here, even new ones, couldn't find anything even close to those 3400mah panasonic batteries :) must were 2600mah
[19:25] <Armand> There are 9 cells inside, no ratings though.
[19:26] <ParkerR> Well
[19:26] <ParkerR> This is the best I could do :P http://www-cdn.jtvnw.net/widgets/live_embed_player.r1d4f35124305cfee7306e5528d8ba4b00a2b37e9.swf?channel=parkerlreed
[19:26] <TAFB> i have a load tester that can measure the capacity :)
[19:26] <ParkerR> Just hit play on the lower left
[19:26] <TAFB> ParkerR: I clicked.... waiting :)
[19:26] <TAFB> ahhhhhhhhhh
[19:27] <Armand> TAFB, I've not no idea if these work..
[19:27] <Armand> *got
[19:27] <TAFB> works :)
[19:27] <TAFB> focus problems :)
[19:27] <TAFB> omg cute
[19:27] <TAFB> need to focus lock your webcam
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[19:28] <Armand> GET A HAIRCUT!! *fnarr*
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[19:30] <ParkerR> TAFB, Still watching?
[19:30] <ParkerR> Have it manual now :P
[19:30] <TAFB> nope, I fired up far cry 3 :) sry.
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[19:31] <ParkerR> TAFB_farcry, Aww
[19:32] <biff_tannen> are there any SNES emu's for the pi ?
[19:32] <axion> retroarch
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[19:33] <earl2> hi gordonDrogon, still here?
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[19:35] <Mortvert> Oh hi.
[19:35] <ParkerR> Aranel, You still watching?
[19:35] <ParkerR> * Armand
[19:35] <Mortvert> Do you know if raspi is in stuck at rsdelivers?
[19:35] <Armand> Nah
[19:35] <ParkerR> Talking to myself
[19:36] <ParkerR> Great...
[19:36] <ParkerR> :P
[19:36] <littlebearz> ParkerR: lol
[19:36] <Mortvert> Guys?
[19:36] <Aranel> at least, now I'm watching
[19:36] <Mortvert> I just bought one piece of raspberry at RS and i wonder when i'll get it.
[19:37] <Aranel> because of my nickname with letter "A"
[19:37] <johnc_> you'll probably get it a few days after it ships
[19:37] <littlebearz> Mortvert: i got mine in 3 month
[19:38] <littlebearz> Mortvert: but that was close to initial launch
[19:38] <johnc_> I got mine within a month ordering from Element14
[19:38] <ukdkbr> oh hai Mortvert
[19:38] <Mortvert> johnc_ - even thought it says Delivery Type Desc Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 1 week(s))
[19:38] <johnc_> it was a magical time
[19:38] <Mortvert> So i might wait quite a moment, eh?
[19:38] <Mortvert> ohay ukdkbr.
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[19:39] <Mortvert> johnc_ - the waiting times ain't as long now, no?
[19:39] <johnc_> this was only around december or so
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[19:41] <ukdkbr> I want to create an robodialer with a raspberrypi that only calls Mortvert at 1am
[19:41] <swart> element14 is slow because they use ups ground, possibly because they're constantly backordered
[19:42] <Mortvert> swart - rs shouldn't have such problems?
[19:42] <axion> got mine from e14 in 3 days
[19:42] <swart> rs?
[19:42] <Mortvert> rsdelivers
[19:42] <swart> axion: that's good. it took me several weeks
[19:42] <Mortvert> the other retailer
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[19:43] <poop_in_yo_soup> ay yo ukdkbr
[19:43] <swart> Mortvert: does rs ship from the US?
[19:43] <Tachyon`> anyone know a good source of large project boxes that aren't more expensive than they should be
[19:44] <swart> not that it would be slower than UPS ground to ship from the UK
[19:44] <axion> Tachyon`: polycase.com
[19:44] <Mortvert> swart - they redirect to allied electronics
[19:44] <swart> I think I need a couple more pis
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[19:44] <Tachyon`> hrm, I wonder if they ship to the UK
[19:45] <Mortvert> They do.
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[19:45] <Mortvert> They ship FROM uk, Tachyon`.
[19:45] <Tachyon`> polycase.com?
[19:45] <Tachyon`> it's all in dollars on the site
[19:45] <axion> they ship from US
[19:46] <Tachyon`> well, the origin is less important than whether they'll ship to this country...
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[19:48] <axion> ships DHL worldwide
[19:48] <axion> as mentioned on their shipping info page
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[19:48] <Tachyon`> ahh
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[19:49] <Tachyon`> thanks
[19:49] <ukdkbr> ay poop_in_yo_soup
[19:49] <axion> shipping and taxes might be outrageous howveer
[19:49] <Tachyon`> well, taxes aren't too bad, particularly if I can think of some way the parts might be used in a microlight aircraft
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[19:51] <axion> they even do custom engraving/cutouts
[19:51] <axion> and have videos for every box
[19:52] <Tachyon`> ah yes, it seems they do exactly what I need, even stackable module boxes which I hadn't considered but would be a good idea
[19:52] <axion> i have the trapezoidal case...houses my pi, hub, 2.5", wifi, etc
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[19:57] <s5fs> ugh, i have to boot windows again today, crap
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[19:59] <dniMretsaM> that's tragic, s5fs
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> anyone here use Arch and know how to install the I2C development packages?
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[20:08] <gordonDrogon> anyone?
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> it seems Arch is just a waste of time then.
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[20:09] <Torikun> i use arch but never isntalled that package
[20:09] <Armand> Huummm.. I need to make a logo for my project, to engrave on the case before painting.
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[20:11] <arcanescu> is the gst-openmax h264 encoder working?
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> Torikun, is there a generic way to install development packages?
[20:12] <Torikun> no idea
[20:12] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, What's wrong?
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> it's so simple in Debian, and to think I'm considering dumping debian due to their pompus stance on the Pi too.
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> ParkerR, I want to compile a C program under Arch that uses <linux/i2c-dev.h>
[20:13] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, arch does the dev packages like a normal package
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> however the supplied version of that file is not the development version - you need a different vrsion...
[20:13] <ParkerR> SO most likely sudo pacman -S i2c
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> ParkerR, so what's the magic rune...
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[20:14] <gordonDrogon> can you test something for me then? (I don't actually have Arch)
[20:14] <Torikun> I can try
[20:14] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, I don't either on the Pi
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> run this command:
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> grep -q i2c_smbus_read_byte /usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> a,h not the -q
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> just the same wihout the -q
[20:14] <Torikun> how to copy and pate in kvirc
[20:14] <ParkerR> Torikun, Just type it :P
[20:15] <ParkerR> Not that long
[20:15] <Torikun> nothig
[20:15] <axion> gordonDrogon: that string is not in the header on Arch
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> essentiall the string i2c_smbus_read should not be there.
[20:15] <Torikun> returned nothing
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> now install the dev. version of i2c - sudo pacman -S i2c
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> and run it again.
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> what happens in debian is that it replaces that file with a different version with all the correct function prototypes, etc.
[20:16] <axion> no such package
[20:17] <axion> do you mean i2c-tools?
[20:17] <ParkerR> Could be that
[20:17] <ParkerR> I was just guessing
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> well, no. that's the userland tools.
[20:17] <Torikun> http://archlinuxarm.org/packages
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> it's the same as in Debian.
[20:17] <Torikun> search there for packagesd
[20:18] <Torikun> and aur
[20:18] <axion> only i2c package is i2c-tools
[20:18] * gordonDrogon frowns.
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> how did the tools get compiled?
[20:18] <axion> check its pkgbuild
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> cd /usr/include ; grep -r i2c_smbus_read_byte .
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[20:19] <axion> depends=('lm_sensors' 'perl' 'read-edid')
[20:19] <axion> only thing needed for i2c-tools
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[20:19] <ParkerR> It might be in i2c-tools http://www.lm-sensors.org/browser/i2c-tools/trunk/include/linux/i2c-dev.h
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> that's the default version of the file.
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[20:21] <axion> the i2c-tools package removes its own i2c-dev.h before installation is complete
[20:22] <axion> package() {
[20:22] <axion> cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}" && make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
[20:22] <axion> rm -f "${pkgdir}/usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h"
[20:22] <axion> }
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[20:23] <gordonDrogon> this is somewhat frustrating.
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[20:23] <gordonDrogon> it means I can't compile my wiringPi I2C routines until Arch.
[20:23] <jelly1> axion: lies
[20:24] <axion> ?
[20:24] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: do you need i2c-dev.h in archlinux?
[20:24] <jelly1> axion: well no lies
[20:24] <axion> thats better
[20:24] <jelly1> [jelle@P9][~/build/mplayer2-git]%pkgfile i2c-dev.h
[20:24] <jelly1> core/linux-api-headers
[20:24] <jelly1> well that's in real archlinux
[20:24] <jelly1> aka not ARM
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[20:25] <gordonDrogon> I need the file that has the definition of i2c_smbus_read_byte in it.
[20:25] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: hmm
[20:25] <jelly1> get me some i2c sensors :D
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> in Debian it's in i2c-dev.h and it's an inline function in that file which calls i2c_smbus_access
[20:25] <jelly1> aha
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[20:25] <axion> pkgfile i2c-dev.h
[20:26] <axion> core/linux-api-headers
[20:26] <axion> core/linux-headers-raspberrypi
[20:26] <jelly1> yes and more
[20:26] <dero> eclipse
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> I could simply take a copy that file and use it, but I fear that may be non upgradable/portable.
[20:26] <aaa801> Anyone know how to make a isr to listen for SMI interrupt (48)
[20:26] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: don't :)
[20:26] <aaa801> (fake vsync)
[20:26] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: it should be in linux-api-headers :)
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[20:26] <dero> question: did anyone experience Wifi problems of edimax with a repeater?
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> jelly1, ok - so can you indstall it and grep for: i2c_smbus_read_byte ?
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[20:27] <axion> it is found in 2 locations on Arch
[20:27] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: oh firing one Pi
[20:28] <jelly1> *up
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> thanks.
[20:28] <axion> /usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h, /usr/src/linux-3.6.11-3-ARCH+/include/linux/i2c-dev.h
[20:28] <jelly1> ah woot
[20:28] <axion> the latter for the pi specific headers
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[20:28] <gordonDrogon> right. so it overwrited the /usr/include/linux-i2c-dev.h - which is what Debian does too.
[20:28] <axion> no it did not
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[20:29] <gordonDrogon> oh well, it created it then?
[20:29] <axion> the diff shows differences
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[20:29] <axion> 2 different files
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> I'm confused now.
[20:30] <axion> the linux-api-headers includes 1 version, and the pi specific linux headers include another
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[20:31] <axion> i will paste both versions
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> just grep for i2c_smbus_read_byte
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[20:33] <axion> not found in either version
[20:34] * gordonDrogon sighs.
[20:34] <rikkib> Ahhh The watchdog is sending pings but not detecting the replies for some reason... More debugging needed.
[20:34] * rikkib sighs to
[20:34] <axion> btw http://codepad.org/ouzDC8GJ
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[20:35] <gordonDrogon> axion, thanks.
[20:36] <rikkib> ug stuck in vi
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/i2c-dev.h-dev is what is installed under Debian
[20:36] <rikkib> How do I get out
[20:36] * rikkib not vi user
[20:36] <Datalink-M> Use :q!
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[20:36] <gordonDrogon> or http://unicorn.drogon.net/i2c-dev.h by default.
[20:37] <rikkib> ta
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> Escape Shift-Z Shift-Z is the quickest way out of vi.
[20:37] <Datalink-M> Np, I'm a VI user, feel lost in emacs
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> however that will write the file out..
[20:37] <Datalink-M> gordonDrogon, esc :q! Aborts without saving
[20:37] * rikkib uses mc
[20:37] <Datalink-M> Esc if editing
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[20:37] <swart> I've used vi for 25 years and I've never used ESC ZZ
[20:38] <swart> never too old to learn new tricks though :)
[20:38] <Datalink-M> Yeah, handy one...
[20:38] <axion> ironic as it is, i'm a lisp developer and feel lost in emacs too
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> ESC only if you need it - you ought to know what mode you're in :)
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[20:39] <axion> i am the only one i know that uses vim to code lisp
[20:39] <swart> I can use emacs fine but I find it extremely annoying
[20:39] <swart> axion: yes :)
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> are you the only one who codes lisp ;-)
[20:39] <axion> no, but in the channel nobody else does
[20:39] <swart> oh sorry I thought you asked if you were the only one :)
[20:39] <rikkib> watchdog has not had anything done to it since 2006 and stuff does not work on the RPi
[20:39] * rikkib is debugging
[20:39] <swart> axion: it's okay. I use Smalltalk all day
[20:40] <axion> i like some of lisp's smalltalk derived features
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> wow. people actually use smalltalk?
[20:40] <axion> smalltalk is great
[20:40] <swart> yeah for a big shipping business
[20:40] <swart> runs 1/3 of the container shipping in the world
[20:40] <Torikun> is there an irc bounder like technology for Instant Message clients?
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> I once applied for a job where they wanted to re-train everyone in smalltalk for this application...
[20:40] <swart> I still like Scratch
[20:40] <swart> gordonDrogon: yeah they did that here like 15 years ago
[20:40] <swart> now they're trying to get rid of it, but it still works great
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> swart, oh well. this was air traffic control - some 20-25 years ago IIRC - the company didn't get the contract, so it all fall by the wayside..
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> I still like BASIC ...
[20:41] <swart> my kid did a little platformer in Scratch in about 1/2 hour the day I got my raspi working
[20:41] <swart> gordonDrogon: that's too bad. it would have been fun
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[20:42] <gordonDrogon> swart, yea, who knows. can't look back though!
[20:42] <swart> I use whatever works. I spent the last 4 years using Objective-C and C++ but I'd rather just use straight C
[20:42] <axion> lisp is all i will ever need
[20:42] <swart> python is lovely too
[20:42] <axion> i used to be a professional python developer for about 10 years until i found the light
[20:43] <swart> heh
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> fortunatley I can pick & choose what I use these days.
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> so I rarely stray out of my confort zone - which may not always be a good thing, however...
[20:44] <swart> yeah I've been pushing my comfort zone a lot lately. I'm way out of my depth all the time :)
[20:44] <Torikun> did it just say I came back in the room?
[20:44] <swart> Torikun: no
[20:44] <Torikun> hmmm says it on mine
[20:44] <Torikun> using ZNC
[20:44] <axion> in lisp my program can recompile itself during runtime :) makes for some good AI
[20:45] <swart> lisp is great for all sorts of things. I liked using it for stats, but I liked APL better :)
[20:45] <axion> heh, maybe thats why the lisp author coined the term 'artificial intelligence' in the 50's
[20:45] <axion> before C was a concept
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> Heh... https://twitter.com/TerryibleConnor/status/291608033820282880/photo/1
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> I did a lot of Forth time upon a once.
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[20:47] * axion smacks the dyslexia out of gordonDrogon
[20:47] <swart> forth is supposed to be pretty fast. I bet it would be good on the pi
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[20:47] <swart> says the postfix parentheses lover :)
[20:47] * Torikun uses postfix/dovecot
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> there's an RPN expression evaluator inside my BASIC ...
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[20:49] <swart> I like my math to look like math
[20:49] <Torikun> lol
[20:49] <swart> all programming languages suck at math unfortunately
[20:49] <axion> clearly you wont like lisp then
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> Yea, but to evaluate it there are several strategys...
[20:49] <swart> axion: nope. that's my biggest problem with it
[20:49] <swart> I like Julia (julialang.org)
[20:50] <swart> good luck getting that to run on the pi though :)
[20:50] <axion> though you will love it for macros. math can look like however you please
[20:50] <swart> yeah too much work. then I need to load my custom macros every time I do anything
[20:50] <axion> more like a couple keystrokes, but ok
[20:50] <swart> I think that's why I can't be bothered with emacs too.
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[20:52] <axion> anyone using Arch can test something for me please?
[20:52] <axion> (on the pi)
[20:52] <Torikun> ok
[20:52] <Torikun> i can axion
[20:53] <axion> install retroarch-rbp-git from AUR and tell me if it executes
[20:53] <axion> it is rather quick
[20:53] <axion> to compile
[20:53] <axion> i am getting symbol errors from OpenVG
[20:53] <Torikun> what that package do
[20:53] <axion> emulate retro games
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[20:53] <sheldor> hi is there a launcher with a 10 foot interface that starts random binaries i specify, starts them, and after they terminate it returns to the launcher?
[20:53] <sheldor> some kind of app
[20:54] <axion> Torikun: thanks...brb
[20:54] <Torikun> Package no exist
[20:54] <Datalink-M> 10 foot?
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[20:55] <xtr3m3> axion: i tried it.. but it failed to install missing dependencies
[20:56] <Torikun> git is cloning it now
[20:56] <axion> hmm
[20:57] <Torikun> compiling now
[20:57] <Torikun> how far did you get xtr3m3
[20:57] <sheldor> Datalink-M: a typoe of interface you can navigate sitting 10 feet away
[20:57] <sheldor> Datalink-M: with a gamepad or a remote
[20:58] <sheldor> like xbmc
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[20:58] <sheldor> and the xbmc app launcher is crap. it doesnt exist xbmc and the apps dont show up
[20:58] <Datalink-M> Uh, donno, I usually use my phone o.O
[20:58] <sheldor> so it chokes your little cpiu
[20:58] <Torikun> axion: how far did yours get
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[20:58] <Jobbe> Hi
[20:58] <axion> it compiles fine. it wont run
[20:59] <Torikun> oh
[20:59] <axion> what eror do you get?
[20:59] <sheldor> whats the easiest way to do that with linux natively?
[20:59] <Torikun> typical linux problem
[20:59] <Torikun> ll
[20:59] <Torikun> ol
[20:59] <axion> i want to try getting it compiled for you to check if you have the same runtime problem
[20:59] <Torikun> k
[21:01] <axion> you get a error?
[21:01] <Torikun> still compiling
[21:01] <axion> oh ok
[21:01] <axion> it took like 5 mins here maybe less
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[21:04] <Torikun> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[21:04] <Torikun> make: *** [retroarch] Error 1
[21:04] <Torikun> ==> ERROR: A failure occurred in build().
[21:04] <Torikun> Aborting...
[21:04] <Torikun> ==> ERROR: Makepkg was unable to build retroarch-rbp-git.
[21:04] <Torikun> no work ax
[21:04] <axion> Torikun: that was a compile error...look up for the problem
[21:04] <axion> or pastebin the last page or so
[21:05] <Torikun> undefined reference ....
[21:05] <axion> to?
[21:05] <Torikun> http://pastebin.com/u3Ea0D74
[21:06] <axion> wow
[21:06] <axion> what version of the firmware do you have installed? and which version is running?
[21:06] <axion> seems like maybe you didnt reboot after a firmware upgrade, but i could be wrong
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[21:07] <Torikun> local/raspberrypi-firmware 20121206-1
[21:07] <axion> if you upgraded recently that is not the latest
[21:07] <Torikun> I can not upgrade the latest, Pi does not boot after that
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[21:08] <axion> i had that problem and fixed it...i forgot how...
[21:08] <axion> i am running the latest
[21:08] <axion> hmm
[21:09] <Torikun> it is the firmware or kernel problem
[21:09] <axion> what type of boot problem do you get?
[21:10] <Torikun> kernel panic
[21:10] <Torikun> can not find rootfs I think
[21:10] <Torikun> many had this problem
[21:10] <Torikun> i am backing up my OS, i can try upgrading the firmware package
[21:10] <Torikun> should be a min or so for the backup to complete
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[21:11] <axion> that should be easy to fix
[21:11] <axion> i will help when you are ready
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[21:11] <Torikun> should I upgrade first
[21:12] <axion> yeah, if you have another pc to stay here with :)
[21:13] <Torikun> oh ty for the reminder
[21:13] <Torikun> lol
[21:13] <Torikun> i will try it on Pi #2
[21:13] <axion> hehe
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[21:15] <Torikun> then we can see if the problem is firmware or kernel
[21:15] <Torikun> I did run that program someone made to manually update firmware
[21:15] <Torikun> months ago
[21:15] <Torikun> not sure if that helped cause the problem
[21:15] <axion> prob caused
[21:16] <axion> arch firmware keeps very up to date
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[21:17] <TAFB> woot, finished it :)
[21:17] <Torikun> finished what
[21:17] <TAFB> far cry 3 :)
[21:17] <Torikun> lol
[21:21] <rikkib> ahhh getting closer. ping reply is timing out
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[21:38] <Torikun> axion: downloading firmare package
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[21:39] <axion> k
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[21:40] <rikkib> food
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[21:43] <Torikun> rebooting axion lol
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[21:45] <Torikun> looks like it must be kernel. FIrmware upgrade was ok
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[21:46] <double-you> is there a smart mp3 player (gui) on raspbian?
[21:47] <Armand> TAFB, what was your specs on those batteries again?
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[21:48] <TAFB> 3400mah 18650 Panasonics: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/10pcs-Panasonic-3-6V-3400mAh-NCR18650B-18650-Li-ion-Battery-Made-In-JAPAN-New-/221175245553?pt=US_Rechargeable_Batteries&hash=item337f126af1
[21:48] <TAFB> also available in protected
[21:48] <TAFB> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/PANASONIC-NCR18650B-LI-ION-BATTERY-3400mAh-3-7V-18650-NEW-PROTECTION-PCB-JAPAN-/251201689922?pt=US_Rechargeable_Batteries&hash=item3a7cc99942
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[21:48] <Armand> Li-ion, 11.1V, 7200mAh, 80wHr, 9 Cells..
[21:49] <Armand> That's apparently what I've pulled from this Dell laptop.
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[21:50] <SpeedEvil> what fraction of new charge dis it hold
[21:50] <jorenl_> I know this isn't really RPi related but does this look like a legit HDMI to VGA converter? http://www.ebay.com/itm/6ft-HDMI-to-VGA-Gold-Male-Male-M-M-Connector-1080P-HD-15-Cable-1-8M-Black-/200728862472?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item2ebc5f5f08 It looks like it's a plain wire to me, which is weird - signals don't go from digital to analog by themselves right?
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[21:53] <jorenl_> (I mean it is RPi related as it's the reason I'm looking for one ofcourse :P )
[21:54] <s5fs> jorenl_: only vga on your monitor?
[21:55] <jorenl_> s5fs: Yeah, I have a TV that accepts HDMI which is what I'm using now but it's annoying :S
[21:56] <s5fs> jorenl_: haha, my recommendation is to get a better display ;-) i'm using a serial cable so i don't have to dork with a monitor, but i'm comfy on the cmdline and have no interest in a gui.
[21:56] <jorenl_> s5fs: well obviously these cables cost 5$, monitors cost about 100 times more.
[21:57] <s5fs> jorenl_: for video, i think i just used a regular hdmi cable and something things were okay. maybe i had a hdmi->dvi connector too, i forget
[21:58] <s5fs> jorenl_: i'd say used, about $25 for a 14"-17" lcd, used
[21:58] <s5fs> used
[21:58] <s5fs> haha
[21:58] <s5fs> jorenl_: but yes, i too distrust that cable you specified
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[21:59] <jorenl_> s5fs: I have a nice 22" widescreen LCD which is what I'd like to keep using ;)
[22:00] <jorenl_> s5fs: & I should probably indeed look for another seller. The reason I was interested in this one is that they sell everything really cheap, and I need a few things so it'd be nice to have it arrive together. ah well.
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[22:01] <s5fs> jorenl_: amazon is selling similar cables for cheap ($6-7), so maybe they do work. i have no idea, but i trust amazon.
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[22:03] <jorenl_> s5fs: "Your video output device must support both analog and digital signal conversion and output function. Please consult with your video output device's user manual for more information."
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[22:05] <s5fs> jorenl_: aw, too bad. curious to hear what you end up with though.
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[22:09] * rikkib runs a Philips 236V LCD with DVI-D input... I cheap hdmi-dvi-d cable works with the RPi
[22:09] <jorenl_> rikkib: what kind of cable do you have?
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[22:10] <rikkib> Just a passive cable
[22:10] <rikkib> Needs no electronics to covert
[22:10] <rikkib> convert
[22:11] <rikkib> $7
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[22:13] <mjr> anything that claims to hook up hdmi to vga and doesn't cost at least on the same general level with the pi is a scam (or at best, a proprietary cable for some device with nonstandard vga-on-hdmi-connector output)
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[22:21] <FabioPBX> anyone managed to get hybserv running on raspbian?
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[22:27] <rikkib> Man these blog spammers are persistent... Always trying to create accounts on my phpnuke web site.
[22:27] <Torikun> lol
[22:27] <Torikun> i have the same problem
[22:27] <Torikun> and check your ssh log for ssh attacks
[22:27] <Torikun> china always attacking me
[22:28] <swart> I keep my ssh firewalled and use a rule to redirect another port to 22
[22:28] <Torikun> nice
[22:29] <Torikun> Updating 73 packages on my Pi takes a long time
[22:29] <rikkib> I run tripwire to watch files and portsentry which adds any fools to hosts.deny
[22:29] <Torikun> fail2ban here
[22:29] <Torikun> is tripwire better?
[22:29] <rikkib> No idea
[22:29] <swart> that's probably a good idea but I'm fool enough to block my own access
[22:30] <Torikun> lol
[22:30] <Torikun> I should have iptables control my outbound also
[22:30] <Torikun> for extra security
[22:30] * rikkib is having trouble figuring out this watchdog code
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[22:32] <Torikun> anyone else use iptables?
[22:33] <Armand> Me
[22:34] <Torikun> inbound only ?
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[22:34] <Armand> Pretty much, yeah
[22:34] <Torikun> is it wise to use outbpound also?
[22:34] <Armand> Honestly?
[22:34] <Armand> No idea. :/
[22:34] <Torikun> lol
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[22:35] <Armand> I just know what I need to add to block an IP/subnet.
[22:35] <Torikun> oh
[22:35] * rikkib uses ipmasq
[22:35] <Torikun> I control all the incoming ports to my Pi's
[22:35] <Torikun> only enable ports it uses
[22:35] <Torikun> and maybe forwarding once in awhile
[22:35] <Armand> My router only forwards port 80 to that machine.
[22:36] <Torikun> no https/
[22:36] <Torikun> lol
[22:36] <Armand> Not using it.
[22:37] <Armand> http://www.baked-pi.co.uk/
[22:37] <Torikun> you must be using dns. my work blocks it
[22:37] <Torikun> *dyndns
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[22:38] <Armand> A form of, yes.
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[22:39] <Armand> My home IP is pretty reliable, but it's not reserved. :/
[22:39] <Torikun> same here
[22:39] <Torikun> I tell godaddy to jsut use my normal ip
[22:39] * SpeedEvil has static IP
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[22:39] <Armand> Good for you. :)
[22:40] <Torikun> do any load balancing with nginx on your pi yet?
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[22:40] <Armand> Narp
[22:41] <Torikun> It's pretty sweet
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[22:41] <Armand> I only have the one right now.
[22:41] <Torikun> you can load balance to another server on your network lol
[22:42] <Armand> I'm thinking each of my nodes would host an individual website, with a storage server hosting all the DBs.
[22:42] <Armand> MySQL.
[22:43] <Torikun> ah
[22:43] * dniMretsaM is now known as dniMretsaM_away
[22:43] <Torikun> just have /var/lib/mysql on samba ?
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[22:44] <littlebearz> Torikun: you can use SNI to port forward
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[22:44] <Torikun> SNI?
[22:45] <littlebearz> Torikun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication
[22:45] <Torikun> ty
[22:46] <Armand> Torikun, something like that, yes.. I've yet to decide on the exact method.
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[22:46] <Torikun> I currently have 1 PI as a db server and node for the website. The other node is the load balancer and node
[22:46] <littlebearz> Torikun: wait, I think i got the syntax on
[22:46] <sheldor> hey is there a way to use a joystick/gamepad as the mouse in the lxde deskotp?
[22:46] <Torikun> PI #3 comes in soon which will be a node
[22:46] <Armand> All mine will be nodes, but no 'collective' :P
[22:46] <littlebearz> Torikun: there's something in DNS that allow :81 to be a.xxx :82 be b.xxx :83 be c.xxx
[22:46] <Torikun> lol
[22:47] <Torikun> oh
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[22:47] <littlebearz> Torikun: it's useful for home servers cause most ppl only have 1 IP
[22:47] <Torikun> oh
[22:47] <Armand> I'll probably use a standard PC for the DB server, as it has other tasks.
[22:47] <Torikun> my home nas servier is by WD. only cifs =(
[22:47] <Armand> I've got a Q6600 with 2GB here, that will stand in well.
[22:48] <littlebearz> Armand: db server using pi is a bad idea
[22:48] <Torikun> y
[22:48] <Armand> littlebearz, the MySQL work is all done by the Pi right now, it's a low demand drupal forum.
[22:48] <littlebearz> Torikun: the SD card has limited amount of IO before unusable
[22:48] <rikkib> Hmmm Had a stab at changing this line of code from - to + dtimeout.tv_usec = timeout.tv_usec + dtimeout.tv_usec; Which makes things work but not sure if it will work correctly for 1 sec time out in all cases.
[22:48] <Armand> In future, I want to offload all the DB work to a central server.
[22:49] <Armand> *Not* a Pi. ;)
[22:49] <Torikun> we can switch sd cards once in a while
[22:49] <Torikun> lol
[22:49] <Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com/
[22:49] <Torikun> i got two guides there to reduce writes
[22:49] <Torikun> for your pi
[22:50] <littlebearz> Armand: how long is page load? my wordpress takes 8 sec to load
[22:50] <Torikun> follow my steps and you can get it to about 3-4
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[22:51] <Armand> littlebearz, sometimes 2-3 seconds.
[22:52] <littlebearz> Armand: 2 -3 is acceptable but mine for somereason takes forever
[22:52] <Armand> I find it's slower for me, on the LAN, than it is from the outside. O.o
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[22:52] <littlebearz> Armand: i see no difference since it's a wordpress blog
[22:53] <Armand> http://www.baked-pi.co.uk/ < look at the specs post, down the bottom.. you'll see the software stack.
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[22:54] <Armand> AFK, 5-10 mins.. :/
[22:55] <littlebearz> Armand: oh , maybe u have 512m i only have 256
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> what is baked pi? the site's a little light on details..
[22:55] * jprvita is now known as jprvita|afk
[22:55] <littlebearz> gordonDrogon: probably web server stack
[22:56] <BigShip> littlebearz: Armand: what do you guys use wordpress for?
[22:56] <littlebearz> gordonDrogon: I'm using LNMP installed via pacman
[22:56] <littlebearz> BigShip: feel free to visit http://xxw.ca/ personal blog
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> I did setup a Pi with a LAMPy thing once and put wordpress on it. it worked..
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> so bakedpi is just a pre-loaded system for web serving?
[22:57] <littlebearz> gordonDrogon: probably a package not pre-loaded system
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[22:58] <BigShip> littlebearz: cute cat!
[22:58] <littlebearz> BigShip: did it bother you that it took forever to load though?
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[22:59] <littlebearz> BigShip: it just feels werid, was going to ditch pentium 4 but probably still use that as main server
[22:59] <BigShip> BigShip: not really no. My computer has been weird anyways since I kinda have a hack wifi card. It only took a couple of seconds though
[22:59] <littlebearz> BigShip: a hack wifi card?
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[23:00] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Looks like I've goofed with the latest wiringPi ): Even people with Debian can't built it now )-:
[23:00] <BigShip> littlebearz: tore this desktop out of its original case and put it in a new one. Unfortunately HP built the antenna into the original case, and I think I'm missing a couple of other important wires...
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[23:00] <gordonDrogon> silly I2C.... itworks for me, so what have I got on my Pi's that they don't have )-:
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[23:05] <Datalink-M> gordonDrogon, donno, I have to debug mine soon, it's acting up
[23:05] <Torikun> my two pi cases came in just now Yes!
[23:05] <TAFB> pics! :)
[23:06] <BigShip> I should probably get one, I've just got a lego case atm :/
[23:06] <Torikun> ok TAFB let me power this pi down and move it
[23:06] <Torikun> lol
[23:06] <Datalink-M> Hm, need to reboot the IRC client...
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[23:10] <gordonDrogon> Datalink-M, and I2C app?
[23:11] <Datalink-M> My blinkm hasn't worked in a month, I think it's a physical issue but not sure yet
[23:11] <Mortvert> Someone needs to add armed slack to the OS list
[23:11] <Mortvert> (arm slackware 13.37)
[23:11] <Mortvert> on the wiki
[23:11] <Datalink-M> It's a wiki...
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[23:12] <Mortvert> Datalink-M - everytime i try and touch the wiki - i fuck up everything.
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[23:13] <Datalink-M> Mortvert, practice makes perfect. Also preview is your friend, as is sandbox
[23:13] <Mortvert> I don't have wiki account either.
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[23:14] <Datalink-M> Oh right, the anti-bot measures, I don't have one either but don't add enough to justify...
[23:14] <Armand> BigShip, I don't use wordpress..
[23:14] <rikkib> Ok... I think I have fixed the bug in watchdog effecting the ping timeout...
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[23:15] <BigShip> Lego Pi- http://imgur.com/a/4pe1K#0
[23:15] <earl2> hi everyone.
[23:15] <BigShip> hi
[23:15] <earl2> hi BigShip
[23:15] <Armand> Hey, earl2 .o/
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[23:15] <rikkib> The test for the timeout was <= 0 when it should be just < 0
[23:15] <Datalink-M> Nice case BigShip
[23:16] <BigShip> just getting everyone ready for Torikun's new ones ;)
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[23:16] <Datalink-M> I have a nice pibow
[23:16] <rikkib> Time to email the debian maintainer
[23:17] <BigShip> Datalink-M: I think those are pretty cute, I'd love to do mine blue and white.
[23:17] <earl2> gordonDrogon, I wonder if you're around?
[23:17] <earl2> and hello Datalink-M again :)
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[23:17] <Armand> BigShip, modmypi case, black. :)
[23:17] <Datalink-M> BigShip, they are
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[23:18] <Serano> Love the Lego Pi BigShip!
[23:18] <Serano> :)
[23:18] <BigShip> Datalink-M: this is my favorite though... just wish it weren't so expensive http://www.etsy.com/shop/cooltrays
[23:18] <BigShip> thanks :)
[23:18] <Armand> Do like the ali cases! :D
[23:18] <Datalink-M> Heh, the pi you can run over with a truck XD
[23:18] <Armand> Too much ??? for me though.
[23:19] <Datalink-M> Aye too expensive
[23:19] <BigShip> Datalink-M: Yep, and the entire case acts as a heat sync
[23:19] <Serano> its because of the aluminum and you pay for design
[23:19] <Serano> but it's a damn nice case, can't deny that
[23:19] <Datalink-M> Mostly for the fact it's milled
[23:19] <Armand> Obviously, on all points, Serano..
[23:19] <Armand> ^_^
[23:20] <rikkib> wooop Jan 17 11:19:57 raspberrypi watchdog[4012]: still alive after 46 interval(s)
[23:20] <rikkib> Jan 17 11:19:57 raspberrypi watchdog[4012]: ping select timeout = 0 seconds and 999998 useconds
[23:20] <rikkib> Jan 17 11:19:57 raspberrypi watchdog[4012]: got answer from target
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[23:28] <gordonDrogon> earl2, hello
[23:28] <swart> I picked up one of the blue custom pibows from adafruit. it's a really nice design
[23:29] <swart> the grey ninja one looks good too
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[23:30] <Datalink-M> Heh, they have a good selection.
[23:32] * dniMretsaM_away is now known as dniMretsaM
[23:32] <double-you> I'm student, I'll build a case out of the pink case. :-)
[23:33] <swart> you should be able to find a pattern you can etch yourself
[23:33] <swart> I bet someone in the art department has a laser cutter you can use :)
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[23:39] <TAFB> arch update for the Pi just pushed :)
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[23:42] <BigShip> TAFB: I ran into an issue getting startx to work for arch, so I gave up and switch to raspbian :/
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[23:44] <BigShip> Never really figured out what the difference is running LXDE on arch or on a different distro
[23:44] <TAFB> ahhh. I've never tried no gui on arch :)
[23:45] <axion> i run in under 40mb of ram
[23:45] <axion> :)
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[23:45] <BigShip> I havne't really done anything exciting yet since I just got into linux. What do you use yours for?
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[23:47] <bparker> 17:28:42 < BigShip> TAFB: I ran into an issue getting startx to work for arch, so I gave up and switch to raspbian :/
[23:47] <bparker> wat
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[23:47] <bparker> that's like saying I can't figure out how to wash my dishes, so I just burned the whole house down.
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[23:48] <BigShip> +bparker: I was more interested in testing out the Pi's capabilities. Just haven't had any motivation to go back and try again
[23:48] * Datalink-M looks up from the can of gas, road flare and sink...
[23:49] <Datalink-M> That's not how we do dishes? I've been doing that for years
[23:50] <BigShip> Datalink-M: would've "lol'd" sooner, but I was too busy laughing at the imaginary look on your face if you were in that situation
[23:50] <BigShip> *caught in that
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[23:50] <Datalink-M> Hehe
[23:52] <Datalink-M> Sometimes you need an opening, other times you're given one
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[23:54] <BigShip> Indeed!
[23:54] <BigShip> Well, off to dinner. Peace!
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[23:54] <axion> can someone with arch on their pi test something for me?
[23:56] <Bane`> Got my RPi today
[23:56] <Bane`> Super excited
[23:56] <Bane`> This guy had really quick shipping
[23:57] <Bane`> I ordered it Tuesday
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[23:58] * Datalink-M puts that sink convo in the quote file
[23:58] <Datalink-M> Slowly... it's hard to copypasta in this
[23:59] <Datalink-M> Silly 1 line copy behavior
[23:59] <TomWij> axion: Just state, there are Arch users in here for sure...

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