#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-17

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[0:00] <Datalink-M> Old IRC axiom is "don't ask to ask, just ask" it's actually less awkward to come out and say the question in the long run
[0:01] <axion> i know there are arch users, but nobody could help me before when i asked the full question. however against irc etiquette i will repeat
[0:02] <Bane`> Any of you guys using a nifty little case for you rpi? I'm trying to find a nice/cheap one
[0:02] <axion> can you try installing retroarch-rbp-git and try eecuting `retroarch`? since about a month ago i get undefined symbols in OpenVG
[0:03] <swart> sorry Bane` you just missed the nifty case discussion. Wednesdays 22:00 CET :)
[0:03] <TomWij> TAFB: ^
[0:03] <TAFB> TomWij: sup?
[0:03] <axion> Bane`: too many to list. poycase.com has a nice one though
[0:03] <axion> polycase.com rather
[0:03] <TomWij> TAFB: You're an Arch user, want to help axion out? :D
[0:03] <Bane`> Cool I'll check it out
[0:03] <TAFB> i am lost :)
[0:04] <TAFB> axion: was ur prob?
[0:04] <TomWij> It's the line above mine. :D
[0:04] <Datalink-M> swart, the discussion should never end on cases
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[0:04] <axion> TAFB: can you install retroarch-rbp-git and check that it runs for you?
[0:04] <TAFB> my arch box has no display, it's ssh only
[0:04] <axion> that is ok
[0:04] <axion> just need to know if it executes without error
[0:05] <TAFB> okies, command to run?
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[0:05] <axion> do you have an AUR tool instaled yet?
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[0:05] <TAFB> no idea
[0:05] <TomWij> axion: Is "undefined symbols in OpenVG" a compiler or runtime error?
[0:05] <axion> runtime
[0:05] <axion> for the last month it hasnt worked despite recompiling against several firmwares
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[0:06] <Torikun> ah I was not authenticated
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[0:06] <Torikun> znc sometimes does and does not
[0:06] <Datalink-M> I use SAPI now Torikun
[0:06] <Torikun> better?
[0:07] <Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com/?q=node/11 Pi's on the wall =)
[0:07] <Torikun> soon 3
[0:07] <Datalink-M> Heh, nice
[0:08] <ParkerR> Torikun, Sweet
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[0:09] <Torikun> Wall mount cases help reduce clutter
[0:09] <Torikun> lol
[0:09] <Torikun> I just seen it when I opened the new case and was liek dam I gotta do this
[0:09] <axion> just want to know if a fresh build of retroarch-rbp-git can be run by another arch user besides me
[0:10] <ParkerR> axion, Umm it installs packages
[0:10] <Torikun> axion: the firmware update went fine
[0:10] <ParkerR> Not usre if you can just tar it up
[0:10] <ParkerR> *sure
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[0:10] <axion> ParkerR: aroo?
[0:11] * Torikun tries recompiling retroarch-rbp-git
[0:11] <ParkerR> aroo?
[0:11] <axion> ParkerR: it is an AUR item. no package.
[0:11] <ParkerR> Ahh
[0:11] <ParkerR> Well aur builds a package
[0:11] <axion> right
[0:11] <ParkerR> Then installs it
[0:11] <axion> which builds fine, but links wrongly against OpenVG
[0:11] <ParkerR> Might work
[0:11] <ParkerR> Oh
[0:11] <ParkerR> Side note: I like packer better :)
[0:12] <axion> i helped write packer
[0:12] <axion> ofc :)
[0:12] <ParkerR> Use Arch on my laptop
[0:12] <ParkerR> Nice
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[0:12] <axion> me and brueinig wrote that one evening when we were bored and making fun of another AUR helper and how bad it is...about 3 years ago
[0:12] <axion> bruenig rather
[0:13] <axion> i am an arch user of over a decade :)
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[0:13] <ParkerR> axion, :D
[0:13] <ParkerR> <3
[0:13] <axion> i just cant emulate games no more :(
[0:14] <axion> and havent been able to narrow it down to just my install, due to not knowing what others can do
[0:14] <ParkerR> axion, I used retropie-setup in debian
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[0:14] <ParkerR> Haven't tried arch on the Pi yet
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[0:15] <Bane`> So....
[0:15] <Bane`> Got my RPi
[0:15] <ParkerR> So
[0:15] <ParkerR> :D
[0:15] <Bane`> Went to turn it on the first time
[0:15] <Bane`> Red light on power
[0:15] <Torikun> GOod
[0:15] <Torikun> sd card in there?
[0:15] <Bane`> Mhmm
[0:15] <ParkerR> Haha
[0:15] <Bane`> SD, HDMI, power, and usb keyboard
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[0:15] <DDave> remove everything Bane`
[0:16] <DDave> leave only sd + power
[0:16] <Bane`> Tried that as well, red light
[0:16] <DDave> uh btw, hdmi didnt work for me
[0:16] <DDave> on default
[0:16] <ParkerR> What did you use to create the card?
[0:16] <axion> i guss i'll backup and reinstall to be sure since i cannot find a second person with arch/pi/time
[0:16] <axion> bbl
[0:16] <Torikun> axion: compiling it now
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[0:16] <Bane`> ParkerR: uhhh
[0:16] <Torikun> just failed again axion
[0:16] <Bane`> I can't remeber the name
[0:16] <Bane`> remember*
[0:17] <Torikun> same problem
[0:17] <Bane`> But it was an XBMC pi installer thing
[0:17] <axion> Torikun: are you sure you have the latest firmware and kernel? and that they are both booted from?
[0:17] <Torikun> not kernel
[0:17] <axion> i never experienced build fails on arch
[0:17] <Torikun> casue of that issue
[0:17] <Bane`> Raspbmc, I believe is the one I used
[0:17] <Torikun> but latest firmware
[0:17] <axion> latest firmware needs a kernel upgrade
[0:17] <axion> that would be why
[0:18] <Torikun> if I install the kernel, my root will go bye bye
[0:18] <axion> then find out why
[0:18] <Torikun> known issue
[0:18] <axion> for only certain userlands?
[0:18] <axion> not here...
[0:18] <Torikun> not sure
[0:19] <Torikun> others came in here with same issue
[0:19] <axion> link to known issue?
[0:19] <Torikun> after upgrading
[0:19] <Torikun> two links one blames firmware and one kernel
[0:19] <Bane`> Could my problem be the card itself?
[0:19] <Datalink-M> Torikun, what do you use for clustering?
[0:19] <TomWij> Bane`: Where does the card come from? Can you be a bit more detailed in the steps you took?
[0:19] <axion> i have had it too...i removed boot files completely and reinstalled firmware to fix it a while ago...might be related
[0:19] <Torikun> Nginx , just cluter the site, balance the load Datalink-M
[0:20] <Torikun> and database on seperate pi Datalink-M
[0:20] <Torikun> I am scared to do it now lol I should backup first and try it axion
[0:20] <Bane`> TomWij: Well, I used the xbmc insatller to write the image on my SD card, then just plugged everything up. The card is a SanDisk brand, although there are no Class marking or anything of the sort...
[0:20] <Torikun> but I am still testing the packages from todays update
[0:20] <axion> you only have to backup like 20mb at most
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[0:20] <Torikun> latest firmware does not have the latest kernel as a dependancy
[0:20] <axion> only /boot
[0:20] <Datalink-M> Ah ok, not process cluster but cloud cluster
[0:21] <TomWij> Bane`: Okay, what is the partition scheme it made?
[0:21] <axion> no but about a month ago a kernel upgrade was required for a newer firmware
[0:21] <Bane`> Scratch that, it's a class 4
[0:21] <Bane`> sec
[0:21] <Torikun> my previous firmware was early december
[0:21] <Datalink-M> I need to git the firmware
[0:21] <axion> i think later than dec 06 needed a newer kernel
[0:21] <TomWij> Bane`: And maybe very important: Which power supply are you using, what is its mA?
[0:21] <axion> not sure
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[0:22] <Bane`> TomWij: checking the partition right now. tried 2 psus. nexus 7 charger : 5V 2A, and a samsung 5V 0.7A
[0:22] <Bane`> The N7 is on the "good" list
[0:22] <Torikun> I used to use the n7 charger 2
[0:23] <Bane`> Well then
[0:23] <Torikun> worked good
[0:23] <Bane`> My SD card is showing an entire "unallocated" partition
[0:23] <Bane`> That could explain the problem, I suppose
[0:23] <Torikun> install an os on the sd card and see if boots
[0:23] <TomWij> Bane`: What OS are you using on the host? Windows?
[0:23] <Bane`> Yes
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[0:24] <TomWij> Bane`: It might just be Windows improperly detecting the second partition, because that should be a Linux partition but Windows is probably unable to tell so.
[0:24] <TomWij> The first partition should be something FAT-ish, right?
[0:24] <pksato> Bane`: Test first with raspbian. Or berryboot (more easy to install).
[0:24] <Bane`> Yes, first part is FAT32
[0:24] <TomWij> (Power supplies were indeed good)
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[0:24] <Bane`> pksato: I'll try that in a sec
[0:25] <TomWij> Bane`: Okay, you'll want to check the files on that FAT32 and perhaps replace them with the ones you can find on GitHub.
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[0:25] <TomWij> As long as you don't replace or delete the kernel image (which isn't on the firmware repo anyway), it should be good.
[0:26] <axion> Torikun: yes newer firmwares than that require a kernel with supported features, hence your problem more than likely. you shouldnt blacklist arch packages ever
[0:26] <Bane`> Wait
[0:26] <Bane`> There should be files on the FAT32 part? There is nothing on mine...
[0:26] <Torikun> ah
[0:27] <TomWij> Bane`: There's your problem. :D
[0:27] <TomWij> Bane`: Placing the firmware there won't be enough, you'll also need a kernel. So, just try to install again from scratch...
[0:28] <Bane`> I think this time I'll not use an autoinstaller...
[0:29] <double-you> heh, dd the raspbian 2gb image took 2000 seconds for me ;)
[0:29] <Torikun> dd arch to it and go home happy
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[0:30] <double-you> heh
[0:32] <seba-> which ftp server is cool
[0:32] <Torikun> vfstpd
[0:33] <TomWij> Nah... Create partitions, bootstrap it, compile the kernel, install the kernel, install the firmware, set up networking and ssh; there you go, minimal RPi system. xD
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> I use proftpd ...
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[0:33] <TomWij> seba-: Define "cool"?
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[0:34] <TomWij> I could interpret that as "produces the least physical heat when under heavy load" xD
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[0:36] <Torikun> is ChanServ a bot or real person
[0:36] <Athom_Ike> hello
[0:37] <swart> sshd is the best ftp server :)
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[0:37] <Athom_Ike> possible to play wesnoth on raspberry ? good speed ?
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[0:57] <Bane`> TomWij, pksato: BerryBoot boots up, but my red light still comes on
[0:57] <Bane`> Is that normal?
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[0:58] <seba-> what do i have to uninstall
[0:58] <seba-> to remove desktop?
[0:58] <seba-> i only need ssh access
[0:58] <pksato> red always on
[0:58] <earl2> gordonDrogon, we keep missing each other. are you still around?
[0:59] <gordonDrogon> earl2, just...
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[0:59] <Bane`> pksato: Ah, thanks
[0:59] <earl2> :)
[0:59] <earl2> so you were asking me before, you might be able to assemble the hardware part of a "simple" (hardware wise) rpi projct and ship it to me so I can focus on what I'm good at, the sw part?
[1:00] <gordonDrogon> was I?
[1:01] <gordonDrogon> what was it again?
[1:01] <earl2> so it's twelve of these: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-a-Ridiculously-Cheap-Analog-Pressure-S/ on, I guess, two ADC's connected to an rpi
[1:02] <earl2> all on breadboard's - nothing fancy
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[1:03] <earl2> actually, sorry. I might be referring to Datalink, but he said to follow up when he didn't have the -M. I'm not sure what you were asking
[1:03] <gordonDrogon> I was just being curious about it.
[1:03] <earl2> you were maybe just asking what this entailed. so, this is it.
[1:03] <earl2> any thoughts
[1:03] <earl2> right
[1:03] <earl2> do you have any thoughts on the matter?
[1:04] <gordonDrogon> well it's not that hard to do - but that assumes you know what to do :)
[1:04] <earl2> I really don't
[1:04] <earl2> I know nothing about hw, only sw
[1:04] <earl2> i can only do the sw side as i have to commit all my time to it even as it is
[1:04] <gordonDrogon> There are probably not many 12 channel A/Ds out there, so probably 2 8-channel ones.
[1:04] <earl2> also it is super inconvenient to ship components to where i am right now
[1:04] <earl2> right
[1:05] <gordonDrogon> So you then need to pick I2C or SPI based chips. SPI may be slightly faster.
[1:05] <earl2> everything you just said is greek to me
[1:05] <earl2> by slightly faster you mean lower latency at reading in values?
[1:05] <earl2> by everything, I mean "I2C" AND "SPI"
[1:06] <earl2> sorry about the caps and
[1:06] <gordonDrogon> not just that - I2C is clocked at 400KHz, SPI is 1MHz and faster.
[1:06] <gordonDrogon> how fast do you need to sample then?
[1:06] <earl2> oh very slowly!
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[1:06] <gordonDrogon> ok
[1:06] <earl2> way way slower than KHz
[1:07] <TomWij> Bane`: Yes, it's the power light.
[1:07] <earl2> did you click my instrucatbles link :)
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[1:07] <earl2> and the accuracy can be very qualitative, just "heavy", "moderate" or "light" is fine for me to interpret as.
[1:07] <gordonDrogon> here we go - the AD7490 is a 16-channel ADC.
[1:07] <gordonDrogon> and it uses SPI.
[1:08] <gordonDrogon> IT would interface to the PI quite easilly.
[1:08] <earl2> how much is that?
[1:09] <earl2> google product search gets me a chinese yixing zisha antique
[1:09] <gordonDrogon> not sure...
[1:09] <gordonDrogon> I'll check.
[1:09] <earl2> and a cd at $0.01
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[1:09] <earl2> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=shop&q=+AD7490
[1:11] <gordonDrogon> looks like they're about ?11
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[1:12] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/general-purpose-adcs/5387172/
[1:12] <earl2> is that a pound sign?
[1:12] <earl2> (renders weird for me)
[1:13] <gordonDrogon> Yes, 11 GBP.
[1:13] <earl2> for me it shows ?9.97 - do you automatically add shipping when you calculate?
[1:13] <earl2> (per 1)
[1:14] <earl2> So walk me through how you would make the twelve things in the instructables, which would take a few minutes, and get it attached to this thing?
[1:14] <earl2> please
[1:16] <gordonDrogon> er, I've just started ahuge upload to youtube. lost most of my internet.
[1:16] <earl2> no problem, the internet is pretty big you wont even notice
[1:16] <gordonDrogon> forgot to switch to ipv4.
[1:16] <earl2> so you just bumped a few million indians off to get an address, congrats
[1:17] <earl2> :)
[1:17] <earl2> anywho...
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[1:17] <gordonDrogon> eh? no - I forgot to switch off ipv6 I meant. I can traffic shape ipv4 but not ipv6 yet.
[1:17] <gordonDrogon> that article contains the instructions, all you need to do is follow it.
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[1:18] <earl2> I mean after this part
[1:19] * plugwash wonders if and when major ISPs here will start to offer IPv6
[1:19] <earl2> I'd like to get an idea of how long assembling, for example the AD7490 you mentioned, on breadboards, to an rpi wuld take
[1:19] <earl2> i have no idea even what these words mean except rpi
[1:19] <earl2> i just want to start reading these things in software. the usage case is still complex but i can work on the rest in software
[1:19] <gordonDrogon> build the circuit - for me, I would do it and probably write some test software in a about an hour.
[1:19] <pksato> pressure sensor? adc? proccess control?
[1:19] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, you're on ipv6..
[1:19] <earl2> how long would it take you to get the materils to hand including an exta rpi if you dont have one at the moment?
[1:20] <gordonDrogon> couple of days.
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[1:20] <earl2> for me just for comparison this would be weeks, just due to the shipping
[1:20] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, this machine has a freenet6 tunnel configured so I can test software etc with IPv6.
[1:21] <earl2> and how much would your parts total be?
[1:21] <gordonDrogon> seems a bit bizarre.
[1:21] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, ah, ok.
[1:21] <earl2> the 11 for the adc is cheap, the pressure things are like zero, but i dont know about the rest
[1:21] <gordonDrogon> er, well I'd probaby just need the chip as I have the rest.
[1:22] <earl2> okay but if you sent it to me i would repay you your cost on them as well as your time, but what would that cost have been?
[1:22] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, thought you were in the UK?
[1:22] <plugwash> I am
[1:22] <earl2> (gordon you're in the UK right?)
[1:22] <gordonDrogon> oh no idea. I charge ?300 a day for this sort of work.
[1:22] <gordonDrogon> yes, UK.
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[1:22] <earl2> yes but materials must be extra
[1:23] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, Entanet (via a reseller) and AAISP offer IPv6 - maybe others..
[1:23] <earl2> so we're at, rpi, this adc, a charger, breadboard, and that conducive foam cut up...plus some wires
[1:23] <earl2> not charger, sorry i meant power adapter
[1:23] <gordonDrogon> earl2, depends on what it's made on and how "pretty"... needs maybe connectors, screw terminas, etc.
[1:24] <earl2> assuming it doesn't have to be pretty at all and can be a bare board
[1:24] <gordonDrogon> earl2, I'm not going to make this for you, but you're looking at my time: ?300 plus the bits - probably ?50.
[1:24] <earl2> since this is a proof of concept
[1:24] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, sure but I'm not sure i'd count either of those as major
[1:24] <earl2> but that's full a full day. what if you only make the schematic for me, ship me the parts, and don't assemble it yourself?
[1:24] <gordonDrogon> what is it that you're trying to do anyway? what's the project?
[1:24] <earl2> this would take like 30 minutes no?
[1:25] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, major in the niche market ...
[1:25] <earl2> gordonDrogon, the project is a bit proprietary, I am writing software for it as a proof of concept
[1:25] <earl2> but I am very bad with hardware...I can handle it once it's in software though
[1:25] <earl2> if you are serious about wanting to bill a whole day for this assembly then maybe i could do a deferred portion as there is a contract behind this as well.
[1:26] <gordonDrogon> the circuit is a fairly simple join the dots one. I'd need to go & read the datasheet for the chip to see what it needs, but it dodn't look like much more than the usual decoupling.
[1:26] <earl2> otherwise 300 pounds is a bit excessive, that's like ten rpi's.
[1:26] <earl2> I don't mean to question your daily rate I just mean it wouldn't take you 8 hours
[1:26] <gordonDrogon> earl2, I do not want to build this for you - I don't have the time right now. I was just giving you those numbers as an example.
[1:26] <earl2> oh, okay
[1:26] <gordonDrogon> and I charge per day.
[1:26] <earl2> I do appreciate them
[1:27] <gordonDrogon> right now, it's silly late UK time and time for bed.
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[1:27] <gordonDrogon> since youtube is going to take another 2 hours to finish the upload... no point staying up for it.
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[1:27] <earl2> ok
[1:27] <earl2> thank you gordon for your feedback!
[1:28] <earl2> I might just come ringing with 300 pounds one of these days
[1:28] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, I wonder if you would be willing to put your great coding mind to work and peer review what I have done? If so I will send you an email. I have a fix for watchdog ping issue I found on the RPi.
[1:28] <earl2> but not for these twelve wires yet :)
[1:28] <earl2> anyone else in the uk here?
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[1:31] <earl2> so, any other takers :)
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[1:36] <tinti_> Do you know if there is a rpi kernel version greater than 3.6? Mainline perhaps?
[1:37] <rikkib> OK that test worked now I have fixed the bug in watchdog ping facility... Unplug the eth cable and the RPi reboots due to no ping reply...
[1:37] <plugwash> Someone on the forums has forward ported the rpi patches to 3.7
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[1:37] <plugwash> There is also an effort to get rpi support mainlined but AIUI what has been mainlined so far is a long way from being a usable port
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[1:44] <UnaClocker> hehe, I'm on my Raspberry Pi laptop right now. :)
[1:45] <TAFB> your lapdock?
[1:46] <UnaClocker> Yup
[1:48] <tinti_> plugwash: thanks
[1:49] <TAFB> how's the screen quality?
[1:49] <UnaClocker> Really nice, viewing angles are great.
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[1:50] <TAFB> yeah, people LOVE that screen
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[1:50] <UnaClocker> Hmm, guess I found a hotkey to leave the channel, somehow..
[1:51] <UnaClocker> I really really need to disable tap clicking on this touchpad, it clicks everytime I start typing.
[1:51] <rikkib> ctl alt del will do it
[1:52] <UnaClocker> I don't think this keyboard has a del
[1:52] <kgee> my eyes read "ctl alt deal with it". lul
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[1:54] <rikkib> Now if I am pinging all the time I wonder if the eth traffic functionality in watchdog will work.
[1:54] <rikkib> I guess that will be the next test
[1:55] * rikkib hates debugging code... It always seems to make me unsure of myself and my coding knowledge.
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[1:57] <Bane`> Does anyone know of a remote that works with the RPi? More specifically with XBMC?
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[2:01] <kgee> Bane`: you probably have something more specific in mind, but I imagine bluetooth dongle + smartphone + app-writing skills to be the perfect storm of 'world in my palm' remote controls
[2:01] <Bane`> I'm currently using the official android xbmc remote app
[2:01] <Bane`> But I'd prefer something with physical buttons
[2:01] <atouk> band, i have an RC6 from HP that works. check ebay
[2:01] <atouk> (bane)
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[2:02] <kgee> ah, physical keys are the one thing I truly miss in mobile devices
[2:02] <pksato> IR remote control over CEC (hdmi) work with XBMC
[2:02] <Bane`> atouk: Does it work with XBMC?
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[2:02] <atouk> yup
[2:02] <Bane`> Cool, I might look into that one
[2:03] <Bane`> Is it plug and play or will I need to somehow load some drivers?
[2:03] <atouk> i MAY have had to install a driver. it was a while back, but i believe that whatever i had to do was pretty basic
[2:03] <Bane`> Mmk
[2:03] <Bane`> Thanks
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[2:05] <atouk> if you do go ebay, make sure you get the receiver too (usb)
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[2:06] <vjacob> hello all.
[2:06] <Bane`> atouk: Will do, thanks
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[2:07] <vjacob> any of you ever read of a tiny linux distro for ARM/Raspberry Pi that might actually fit in less than 64Mb?
[2:07] <atouk> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-HP-Windows-Media-Center-Remote-Control-5069-8344-and-Receiver-5188-1667-/261155296463?pt=US_Remote_Controls&hash=item3cce1194cf
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[2:10] <BigShip> heya heya
[2:10] <BigShip> Got peanutbutter pie tonight in honor of my Pi ;)
[2:12] <kgee> vjacob: tinycore did an arm port (picore) which has a tarball 32mb in size. Still need to expand/install though, and the site says 'recommended 4gb hd'
[2:13] <Laice> vjacob: 32mb -> 4gb o.O how in the
[2:13] <earl2> so rpi's really are out of stock all over europe, huh
[2:13] <earl2> can't order from anywhere?
[2:13] <UnaClocker> eBay
[2:13] <Laice> walked into a maplins in the uk and just bought one
[2:13] <vjacob> cool
[2:13] <vjacob> I also found a rescueimage which is less than 32mb
[2:14] <vjacob> "rpi_emergency"
[2:14] <vjacob> by andrews
[2:14] <vjacob> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8990
[2:14] <BigShip> hmm, feeling like I should buy a couple dozen and mail em to you guys
[2:15] <atouk> i wonder if you could port trsdos to the pi. that only needed 16k
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[2:16] <vjacob> minimum seems to be 512mb though
[2:16] <vjacob> sorry, 256
[2:16] <Laice> earl2: maplins.co.uk
[2:16] <vjacob> atouk, oldskewl
[2:16] <Laice> check store stocks mate,they have kits for ??75 including keyboard / mouse / hdmi / preinstalled SD / usb hub / nano wireless adapter / dual usb plug
[2:17] <Laice> act mate, sorry just noticed your location
[2:17] <Laice> lol did a whois and looked at the irc server location instead of yours ??.??
[2:17] * vjacob wonders why pentium ]|[ thinkpad so hot
[2:17] <Laice> nobody likes roasted nuts.
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[2:19] <BigShip> I lik roasted nuts...
[2:19] <BigShip> *like
[2:20] <BigShip> -_-'
[2:20] <Laice> QOTD
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[2:20] <Laice> must resist overclocking to apt-get update faster damnit
[2:21] <Laice> uograde*
[2:21] <IT_Sean> dooo eeet!
[2:21] <BigShip> why don't you want to overclock?
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[2:21] <Laice> well it's got a modest overclock but the case i have for the pi is quite insulating.
[2:21] <atouk> hmmmm trsdos (ldos) z80 sources are available online
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[2:22] <BigShip> Laice, what temp is it running at?
[2:22] <Laice> what's the package - sensors?
[2:22] * rikkib has some zilog machines here... Never used them.
[2:22] <vjacob> atouk, you know what would be neat? http://www.haiku-os.org/
[2:23] <Laice> thinking about it has it even got a thermal built in? lol
[2:23] <vjacob> beos, my favorite OS of all time.
[2:23] <vjacob> IMHO :)
[2:23] <UnaClocker> heh, BeOS almost became MacOS.. They went with Next instead..
[2:23] <atouk> think i only played with beos once
[2:24] <BigShip> Laice: I know you can check temp in raspbian. Don't know how to do it through terminal though
[2:24] <Laice> hmmm
[2:24] <vjacob> my way of measuring likeability: my level of participation in other people's pet software projects.
[2:24] <Laice> did it in ubuntu once will look up the packages
[2:24] <BigShip> Laice: I have a solution!
[2:25] <vjacob> i have never sent so many RFEs, bug reports, ideas.
[2:25] <Laice> will try lm-sensors
[2:25] <BigShip> HEY, #RASPBERRYPI... CAN YOU LOOK UP TEMP IN TERMINAL? (caps monster ;P)
[2:25] <vjacob> those were good days :)
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[2:25] <BigShip> vjacob: I think I'd be terrified to touch anyone elses code
[2:26] <Shift_> What's with the yelling?
[2:26] <vjacob> oh well, you never know... perhaps one day it will be portable enough to make a go for arm changes
[2:26] <UnaClocker> BigShip: vgencmd measure_temp
[2:26] <Laice> no sensors found, guess not!
[2:26] <BigShip> UnaClocker: yay!
[2:26] <BigShip> Laice: what UnaClocker said!
[2:26] <Triffid_Hunter> BigShip: if you find a way, let me know. I couldn't find anything relevant in /sys, only the overtemperature alarm trigger
[2:27] <Laice> command not found
[2:27] <atouk> temp on the pi?
[2:27] <BigShip> Laice: yeah same here
[2:27] <Shift_> isn't it vcgencmd... and there is a temp file in /sys
[2:27] <atouk> cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[2:28] <Shift_> ^
[2:28] <atouk> or to pretty it up in php
[2:28] <atouk> $float_temp = round(intval(shell_exec('cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp'))/1000, 1);
[2:28] <Laice> 49230
[2:28] <pksato> /opt/vc/bin/vgencmd measure_temp
[2:28] <Laice> hoping that's not kelvin. lol.
[2:29] <Shift_> Laice 49 degrees C.
[2:29] <Laice> hmm that's with modest
[2:29] <UnaClocker> Mine's at 43C
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[2:29] <UnaClocker> I'm at 950, one step below the highest speed.
[2:29] <Laice> gotta have some cooling on there then surely lol
[2:29] <BigShip> Laice: mine runs under 55C in a very tight lego case at 1GZ
[2:30] <Laice> definately not the environment my heatings off and it's -6 outside lol
[2:30] <Shift_> and it's vcgencmd. not vgencmd... I'm pretty sure
[2:30] <UnaClocker> http://www.neonsquirt.com/lapdock2.jpg That's my cooling.
[2:30] <Laice> i approve.
[2:30] <UnaClocker> :)
[2:30] <Shift_> Laice, how the hell did you get to the conclusion that you need cooling? O_o
[2:31] <BigShip> Shift: We're just trying to convice him to overclock
[2:31] <Shift_> ah, nvrm... might have misread
[2:31] <Shift_> got it
[2:31] <atouk> who needs a case.
[2:31] <BigShip> atouk: what kind?
[2:31] <atouk> cases are for people ashamed of their hardware. run naked!
[2:32] <BigShip> atouk: I don't feel like sneezing on mine and shorting it out -_-
[2:32] <Triffid_Hunter> Laice: I'd say that's millidegrees, ie actual temp is 49.23
[2:32] <atouk> that's why they invented tissues, dummy
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[2:32] <BigShip> atouk: people buy those?
[2:32] <Shift_> Triffid_Hunter, I don't think the sensor is accurage enough to care about what's after the decimal point.
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[2:33] <Triffid_Hunter> Shift_: nor I, but I also don't think that Laice's rpi is currently in a plasma state ;)
[2:33] <ParkerR> BigShip, tissues or cases?
[2:33] <Laice> my case is literally solid plastic with two tiny holes drilled in the bottom under the chips
[2:33] <BigShip> ParkerR: tissues. Cases are a necessity
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[2:34] <Laice> so extremely low airflow :)
[2:34] <ParkerR> You use tissues to blow your knose...
[2:34] <ParkerR> *nose
[2:34] <Laice> with regards to the decimal point it's not decimalised for teh same reason linux time isnt :P
[2:34] <BigShip> ParkerR: I thought they were for something else...
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[2:34] <ParkerR> BigShip, ?
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[2:35] <BigShip> ParkerR: Sorry, just being a bother. I was giving atouk a hard time, telling him cases are important because I don't wanna sneeze on my pi and short it out =P
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[2:36] <atouk> and i told him he should be wiping his nose with a tissue, not his pi
[2:36] <atouk> although, wiping elsewhere with an apple product is perfectly acceptable
[2:37] <BigShip> atouk: you never know, it could be a rocket. Not always able to anticipate that.
[2:38] * rikkib rolls his own cases
[2:38] <BigShip> rikkib: rofl
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[2:39] <atouk> my current case - http://www.iammer.com/raspi/raspberryPiCase-Final.pdf
[2:39] <rikkib> Aluminum not plastic
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[2:39] <BigShip> atouk: love it
[2:39] <a930913> Woop, I can view the webcam attached to my pi through the web, and can pan it from my web interface. :D
[2:40] <rikkib> or cardboard
[2:40] <rikkib> haha
[2:40] <BigShip> a930913: awesome!
[2:41] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-dev.jpg
[2:41] <a930913> Because I bodged it with a motor, I have to pulse the hbridge for only 0.005s, otherwise it pans too much :p
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[2:42] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-sw-but.jpg Another view
[2:43] <a930913> Hmm, if I powered the hbridge from the USB, it would reset the pi, wouldn't it?
[2:43] <rikkib> Or http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-outdoor.jpg
[2:43] <rikkib> Outdoor one not finished yet
[2:44] <ParkerR> That poor composite connector
[2:44] <ParkerR> Looks so sad
[2:44] <TAFB> rikkib: that has to be the slowest damn webserver ever! you need to get your pics on a faster server man! :)
[2:45] <rikkib> 100kbytes out
[2:45] <TAFB> outdoor Pi is lookin gooooood :)
[2:45] <rikkib> slow adsl 1mbyte in
[2:45] <TAFB> i kno, feels like dialup! host your pics on a fast server, globat.com for $4.44/mo! unlimited space, unlimited bandwidth
[2:45] <rikkib> They are big pics
[2:46] <ParkerR> rikkib, Ouch
[2:46] <rikkib> sucks to live in NZ
[2:46] <rikkib> Internets wise
[2:47] <rikkib> Still have a fixed IP which is better than most and allows me to run all my own services including email.
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[2:47] <rikkib> Right here at home...
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[2:48] <vjacob> cool. http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/Raspberry-Pi-Was-Trying-current-status-of-ARM-port-on-Raspberry-Pi
[2:50] <rikkib> Workshop with plenty of work benches for electronics, my computers, my music gear (guitar, keyboard etc), ham gear, TV and other stuff in my 6x9 garage (3x9 this room).
[2:52] <Laice> probably a stupid question..safe to remove libgnome-keyring-common with no x server installed right? not going to be any side effects?
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[2:53] <steve_rox> anything fun going on?
[2:53] <Shift_> Laice, yup, you'll be fine.
[2:53] <Laice> ty
[2:53] <BigShip> steve_rox: coffee
[2:53] <ParkerR> Even with X it's not absolutely required
[2:53] <steve_rox> oh
[2:54] <a930913> Hmm, does anyone know how to stopx?
[2:54] <ParkerR> a9KILLALL xORG
[2:54] <steve_rox> kill it with taskmanager :-P
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[2:54] <ParkerR> gAAH
[2:54] <vjacob> wow. http://www.iscomputeron.com/
[2:54] <ParkerR> a930913, killall Xorg
[2:54] <Laice> if you dont want to boot into it you can tobble it on boot with raspi-config
[2:54] <Laice> toggle*
[2:55] <a930913> Won't killing it leave a mess with the hdmi out?
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[2:56] <UnaClocker> Nope
[2:56] <UnaClocker> It uses the framebuffer, as does text mode.
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[2:56] <Laice> anyone know of a good wifi interface for the terminal?
[2:56] <ParkerR> Laice, wicd-curses
[2:56] <a930913> Laice: iwlist?
[2:56] <atouk> nano
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[2:57] <ParkerR> Just like wicd but uses the terminal
[2:57] <vjacob> wicd-curses
[2:57] <ParkerR> Only downside. It's one extar daemon to run
[2:57] <ParkerR> *extra
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[3:00] <sheldor> hi
[3:00] <vjacob> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf is bloody fantastic, isn't it?
[3:00] <sheldor> hey does the rpi hardware-wise disable the wifi as soon as some lan wire is plugged in?
[3:00] <sheldor> at least that is what i witness on raspbian
[3:00] <sheldor> any idea why?
[3:00] <Laice> think i'll give wicd-curses a miss i just removed the python dev files lol
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[3:01] <Laice> looks like a power issue sheldor
[3:01] <Shift_> sheldor, no, that would be silly.
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[3:02] <sheldor> interesting
[3:02] <sheldor> Shift_: agreed
[3:03] <sheldor> Laice: i also noticed weird usb keyboard behavior
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[3:03] <sheldor> like keypressssssssssses got repeated or omtted entrly
[3:03] <Laice> sheldor: definately power then mate. how much you got hooked up to it?
[3:03] <BigShip> sheldor: the keyboard issue is definitely power related
[3:03] <sheldor> hmmm
[3:03] <sheldor> dman iT!
[3:03] <sheldor> i got a 2A usb hub
[3:03] <sheldor> and it still isnt enough?
[3:04] <Laice> see it's even pushing buttons in the wrong order now! :P
[3:04] <sheldor> i only got a wireless gamepad, a wireless keyboard, and a wireless lan adapter
[3:04] <MAN-AT-ARMS> i had that when i used a keyboard with a usb hub built into it
[3:04] <sheldor> also why would plugging in a lan wire draw power?
[3:04] <Laice> i think you may have a wireless addiction.
[3:04] <sheldor> lol
[3:04] <MAN-AT-ARMS> enet has to transmit signal
[3:04] <Laice> where does the power come from on a lan wire if not from the device?
[3:04] <sheldor> yes
[3:04] <BigShip> sheldor: I maxed out my power with keyboard, usb, and mouse
[3:05] <sheldor> MAN-AT-ARMS: but wouldnt that be negligible?
[3:05] <sheldor> BigShip: how many amps?
[3:05] <MAN-AT-ARMS> not when youre only dealing with very small amount of power
[3:05] <MAN-AT-ARMS> the enet..is a usb enet adapter
[3:05] <vjacob> any of you using alternative power sources?
[3:05] <sheldor> i mean enet is simply a signal on a cable
[3:05] <BigShip> just using a straight up cellphone charger
[3:06] <sheldor> should be micronanocurrents
[3:06] <MAN-AT-ARMS> but its a usb adapter built onto the board
[3:06] <Laice> got the raspbian image down to 671MB \o/
[3:06] <sheldor> it doesnt have to drive a hdd motor or has to send signals into the air
[3:06] <sheldor> imagine i was planning to drive a hdd on the same psu! :(
[3:06] <Shift_> Laice, you're doing it wrong. Start with a base and build up.
[3:06] <sheldor> damn it
[3:06] <sheldor> so i need a 4A psu or what?
[3:06] <Laice> dont you dare say arch to me
[3:06] <sheldor> i need to measure what is going on
[3:06] <vjacob> BigShip: how is it connected?
[3:07] <Shift_> Laice, I don't need to since you already know it's better, but you can also start with a minimal raspbian image or bootstrap your own.
[3:08] <sheldor> it is still weird that raspbian seems to instantly disable wifi as soon as ethernet is plugged in
[3:08] <Laice> Shift_: had so much trouble trying to find a working minimal raspbian, not sure on bootstrap, never looked into it
[3:08] <Laice> it's a power issue.
[3:08] <sheldor> it doest randomly drop and connect back
[3:08] <sheldor> it simply shuts off
[3:08] <Laice> not enough power = devine not functioning.
[3:08] <Laice> device*
[3:09] <sheldor> Laice: then why would i choose the wifi exactly?
[3:09] <sheldor> it doesnt randomly power off other devices
[3:09] <sheldor> it all looks pretty planned and deliberate instead of a power issue
[3:09] <sheldor> are you sure it isnt a raspbian thing?
[3:09] <Laice> positive.
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[3:10] <Laice> sheldor: mine's connected on both wlan0 and eth0 right now.
[3:10] <sheldor> okay weird
[3:10] <Laice> with a wired keyboard, wired mouse, hdmi etc in
[3:10] <sheldor> oh yeah i forgot hdmi
[3:10] <Laice> it's the wireless keyboard and mouse that's screwing you
[3:10] <sheldor> Laice: you think they draw much?
[3:11] <sheldor> its a wireless keyboard + wireless gamepad
[3:11] <Laice> that would do it
[3:11] <Laice> so that's 2 recievers needing power
[3:11] <sheldor> Laice: interestingly the gamepad has no issues at all, but the keyboard has
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[3:12] <Laice> never understood what wrong with a single wire sometimes lol. Got 100 wires around the back of my pc 1 more for a keyboard doesnt hurt lol
[3:12] <Laice> plus the devices are so much more responsive for gaming.
[3:12] <Laice> or someone turns on a router in a house nearby and interfere;s etc etc
[3:12] <BigShip> vjacob: I had the mouse in one port, then 4 port hub in the other. Usb and keyboard in the hub
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[3:13] <Laice> bed time
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[3:13] <vjacob> cool. thx
[3:14] <vjacob> haven't played much with my pi still.
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[3:25] <vjacob> hiya. any of you try http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppi (Raspberry Pi)?
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[3:51] <rikkib> Jan 17 15:48:22 raspberrypi watchdog[2211]: interface: eth0
[3:51] <rikkib> That works now I am pinging all the time
[3:51] <rikkib> Lets see what happens if I take down the interface
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[3:54] <rikkib> That worked as well... network stop made the watchdog reboot the machine
[3:56] <Torikun> yo
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[3:57] <Torikun> I have a 2 pi cluster. The drupal site loads relatively fast when the website folder is located locally on each Pi. The database is on 1 Pi right now. I tried storing the Pi files on a nas but it was too slow and having a Pi as a NFs serve was too slow. Any good way besides rsyncing the web folder to each pi?
[3:59] <Triffid_Hunter> Torikun: if SD is fast and ethernet is slow, then you'll have to sync locally
[4:00] <Torikun> Both Pi's running from USB stick
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[4:00] <Torikun> rsyncing locallally will wear the SD
[4:00] <Torikun> *usb
[4:01] <michaeljf1989> has the usb driver been improved lately. I used to have some trouble with torrenting crashing the pi, but it hasn't since I started today
[4:01] <daaku> anyone here using their pi as a wifi access point? i'm wondering how well it can perform and what the bottleneck tends to be (wifi adapter, cpu, memory or something else?)
[4:02] <Torikun> daaku: I am sure it will not be a good WAP based on my Io experience with it so far
[4:02] <rikkib> Now monitoring the sshd.pid file with watchdog... Lets see what sshd stop does. :)
[4:02] <IT_Sean> daaku, that would be sloooow. Remember, USB and Ethernet share the same bandwidth.
[4:02] <michaeljf1989> daaku, I dabled with it for fun. It works, but I would get a 20-30 router
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[4:02] <daaku> cool, thanks all
[4:03] <michaeljf1989> I've considered using my router for my seedbox, but I love having the pi :)
[4:03] <Torikun> I use the pi for a torrent server
[4:03] <Torikun> not bad
[4:04] <rikkib> Yes that works to... stop sshd and the machine reboots.
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[4:04] <michaeljf1989> I can get 2MBS, and it tends to lock up. I remember some forum posts on it awhile ago. Seems to be better of now.
[4:05] <Torikun> IT_Sean: I forgot this about IRC. why is ChanServ in some rooms but not all?
[4:06] <IT_Sean> because that's how we roll.
[4:06] <Torikun> it is something to Freenode not this room right?
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[4:07] <IT_Sean> It's because we have chanserv set to be in this channel.
[4:07] <Torikun> What does ChanServ do?
[4:08] <Torikun> I am not trying to be mean. Just curious about how IRC works
[4:08] <IT_Sean> We don't publicly go into channel operations. Any questions you may have can be answered by reading the freenode website.
[4:08] <dr_willis> serves tea and crumpets at 4:00 ;-)
[4:08] <michaeljf1989> Yeap all on freenode site. But its good to see new people on IRC. kinda in the spirt of IRC
[4:08] <rikkib> Choice golden syrup
[4:08] <michaeljf1989> spirt of raspberry pi
[4:08] <IT_Sean> Torikun, im not trying to be a jerk. Sorry if came off that way... But, i'm on the phone and really don't have time to start an IRC 101 lesson. ;p
[4:09] <Torikun> ok
[4:09] <TomWij> Torikun: It doesn't matter, it can either be present or not; even if it's not present it can still act on the channel.
[4:09] <IT_Sean> Any other time i'll be more than happy to
[4:09] <rikkib> Two sugars with my tea please
[4:09] <Torikun> ok ty
[4:09] <dr_willis> i have no idea what a crumpet is...
[4:09] <seba-> Torikun, you are being monitored.
[4:09] <Torikun> oh
[4:09] <dr_willis> but i like scones
[4:09] <dr_willis> and raspberry pi
[4:10] <TomWij> seba-: And you met candleja-
[4:10] <Torikun> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#csinhabit
[4:10] <IT_Sean> You can set chanserv to sit in a channel, or to not to. ChanServ handles, among other things, channel management.
[4:10] <seba-> Torikun, i wear a black suit.
[4:10] * TAFB is now known as TAFB_zzz
[4:10] <TAFB_zzz> nite nite peeps :)
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[4:10] <seba-> i monitor
[4:10] <Torikun> ty
[4:11] <rikkib> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crumpet
[4:12] <rikkib> Breakfast treat around here
[4:12] <IT_Sean> mmmm
[4:12] <seba-> Torikun, http://frontview.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/sjklhakjgn.jpg
[4:13] <seba-> Torikun, http://frontview.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/535511.jpg
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[4:18] <BigShip> okay, I love this little pi baby that's recently come into my life, but I'm really not doing anything cool with it... PREACH to me IRC
[4:18] <rikkib> What is that building and what an ugly FED
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[4:19] <seba-> rikkib, NSA
[4:19] <rikkib> Ahhh
[4:20] <rikkib> BigShip, Make a necklaces out of it...
[4:20] <BigShip> rikkib: blinggggg
[4:20] <rikkib> Flashing lights an all
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[4:21] <rikkib> Mini speaker going beep beep beep
[4:21] <BigShip> Looking at the last like, 45 minutes of chat: NAS is out of the question due to speed concerns... which was what I was thinking of doing. So now I'm not so sure.
[4:21] <rikkib> I use nfs
[4:21] <rikkib> On my cam machine
[4:22] <dr_willis> My Pi works well as a ZNC server
[4:22] <BigShip> rikkib: whats the difference between NAS and nfs?
[4:22] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
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[4:23] <BigShip> god I love you guys, always ready with helpful links. You all must have databases
[4:23] <rikkib> NAS does other things as well I suppose but nas can provide nfs
[4:23] <rikkib> I just use a Debian nfs
[4:23] <UnaClocker> NAS is a thing, NFS is a protocol
[4:23] <BigShip> oh wait, that wasn't what I thought it was going to be.
[4:23] <BigShip> rikkib: is that your personal cam setup?
[4:24] <rikkib> I am running a 2gb sd card with just the boot partition
[4:24] <rikkib> Yes
[4:24] <rikkib> Test cam here at home
[4:24] <BigShip> rikkib: is the cam to the right working for you? I just get that broken link/failed to load thing
[4:24] <rikkib> Other cam at
[4:25] <BigShip> not a bad framerate, im impressed.
[4:26] <rikkib> Hmmm not idea... Many here have checked out the cam with no reports
[4:26] <rikkib> 1fps
[4:26] <rikkib> or so
[4:26] <rikkib> 320x240 or so
[4:28] <rikkib> The 122.61 cam best viewed with vlc
[4:28] <rikkib> Have yet to set up a motion proxy for that cam
[4:29] <rikkib> my bencom cam is proxied that is why you can view it witha web page/brower
[4:30] <rikkib> Today's mission has been to make the watchdog go to help with high availability
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[4:31] <rikkib> Can't ping a machine, or the eth interface down or ssh pid file not there and the machine reboots to try and recover
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[4:36] <ParkerR> http://i.minus.com/ifE1SDwozSwvn.JPG
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[4:38] <rikkib> Same blog spammer trying to create another account on my hobby web site... Think I will have to put up a stronger message on the create account page.
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[4:53] <dr_willis> blog spammer? You mean i cant win a free ipod?
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[5:01] <Wolfram74> am I correct in reading that the GPIO pins can take in 17 bits of data each clock cycle?
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[5:03] <genewitch> Wolfram74: that's pretty decent, all kinds of checksum or like 5 serial lines
[5:03] <genewitch> rikkib: you don't have captcha?
[5:03] <rikkib> yes
[5:04] <Wolfram74> well, i'm just reading the low level peripherals on the elinux wiki, and trying to check i'm interpretting it correctly
[5:04] <rikkib> Also the phpnuke approve member module so they just can't get an account
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[5:05] <rikkib> That tells me their IP address and as the web site is aimed at Ham radio ops mostly in NZ I can tell easily
[5:06] <rikkib> Free email means deny
[5:07] <rikkib> Offshore ip address gets double checked
[5:07] <BigShip> has anyone tried out RetroArch?
[5:08] <ParkerR> BigShip, Yes
[5:08] <dr_willis> never heard of it. :)
[5:08] <BigShip> ParkerR: did you use the script from petrockblog?
[5:08] <dr_willis> its hard to keep up with all the pi disrtos
[5:08] <ParkerR> BigShip, Yes
[5:08] <Wolfram74> so is anybody familiar the GPIO pins hanging about?
[5:08] <BigShip> dr_willis: its for playing Atari, GBA, GB, NES, and SNES
[5:09] <BigShip> ParkerR: yay.
[5:09] <ParkerR> And Doom
[5:09] <dr_willis> Gotta love Old skool
[5:09] <ParkerR> BigShip, Why are you wondering?
[5:09] <dr_willis> can it actually do snes at playable speeds? I tried some piMame disrot..and it could barely handle some simple arcade games
[5:10] <BigShip> ParkerR: because I feel like using my desktop for emulation is stupid, and it could be something fun I could use my Pi for until I find a better use
[5:10] <ParkerR> dr_willis, That's just because MAME is CPU intensive
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[5:11] <dniMretsaM> while we're talking about gaming on the Pi, anyone know if OpenArena works?
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[5:11] <ParkerR> dniMretsaM, I saw some people having trouble compiling it
[5:12] <UnaClocker> There are plenty of YouTube videos of people playing SNES games on the Pi...
[5:12] <dniMretsaM> ParkerR: thanks. I'll probably check it out tomorrow
[5:13] <BigShip> well, hopping off to let it download and compile without having to run IRC as well. Cya!
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[5:13] <dniMretsaM> compiling OpenArean is kind of intimidating, lol. the instructions are pretty scattered/outdated. I'll see what I can do, though
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[5:17] <rikkib> Stronger wording on my create account page now... http://www.zlham.geek.nz/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=new_user
[5:17] <ParkerR> rikkib, Honestly word saregn't going to do much
[5:17] <ParkerR> *aren't
[5:17] <ParkerR> Nobody reads the TOS XD
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[5:18] <rikkib> Worth a crack Nigel... A saying from an ad on TV here.
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[5:19] <Wolfram74> so nobody on does much with the GPIO pins?
[5:19] <rikkib> Yes
[5:19] <piney> this is freenode, i bet quite a few people here read ToS (me included 99% of the time)
[5:19] <coldsoup> it's free trial. And that's not all!
[5:19] <Datalink> Wolfram74, I do a bit, gordonDrogon is perhaps the most experienced
[5:19] <Wolfram74> ah well, maybe some other time then
[5:19] <UnaClocker> I've got a shield I made that runs a pair of steppers o.ff the GPIO pins
[5:20] <Wolfram74> oh, ok
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[5:20] * rikkib uses gpio for switches and relays
[5:20] <Wolfram74> well, I was thinking of making an osciloscope
[5:20] <Datalink> piney, ToS? I just don't act like a dick, never bothered really reading cause I'm not out to cause trouble or be a bastard
[5:21] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/stm32-rpi.jpg
[5:21] <Wolfram74> and was just a bit in disbelief that there really were 17 IO pins, and whether or not that meant 17 bits per clock cycle
[5:21] <UnaClocker> You don't get realtime access to the GPIO.. Certainly not per clock cycle type stuff.
[5:21] <Wolfram74> ok
[5:21] <rikkib> Wolfram74, Take a look at that image with lots hooked to the gpio
[5:22] <rikkib> serial, spi input switches and output relays
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[5:23] <rikkib> gpio is easy to work with and if you need a hand there are plenty to help if need be
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[5:24] <rikkib> Knock off time Thu Jan 17 17:24:36 NZDT 2013
[5:27] <UnaClocker> Man, battery life on this lapdock is just amazing.
[5:28] <piney> UnaClocker, ssd in it? (that did a lot for mine)
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[5:31] <UnaClocker> SSD would only harm battery life when I have no hard drive to begin with.
[5:31] <piney> oh. read laptop, not lapddock
[5:31] <UnaClocker> :)
[5:31] <dr_willis> lapdock... almost sounds.. dirty
[5:33] <rikkib> Thats a paddock in LA isn't it.
[5:33] <UnaClocker> :) heh, best $40 I ever spent.
[5:33] <rikkib> Do they have farms in LA?
[5:34] <piney> if you mean the state, yes :)
[5:34] * rikkib section backs onto farmland
[5:34] <rikkib> Mo cows
[5:35] <rikkib> Smelly beasties
[5:35] <piney> reminds me of oftc
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[6:42] <Xark> Wow. Java 5kHz to ~160kHz. Native C 7MHz. Ouch, worse than I would have even thought... http://www.savagehomeautomation.com/projects/category/javafx
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[6:47] <BigShip> quick question... just ran the Retropie/retroarch script. But I ran it through ssh. If I exit out of the ssh will the script stop?
[6:48] <ShiftPlusOne> unless you're using screen or tmux, yes
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[6:48] <BigShip> if I exit now am I screwed, or will starting the script again later be fine?
[6:49] <ShiftPlusOne> probably, I don't know what the script is.
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[6:50] <BigShip> *sigh* luckily this install isn't very customized. I'll just redo it tomorrow night. Thanks buddy
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[7:01] <cougarten> what was the command for the raspian set-up script that shows upon first boot again?
[7:01] <rikkib> raspi-config
[7:01] <cougarten> ty
[7:01] <rikkib> np
[7:02] <cougarten> i'm an electronics noob, but the GIO pins should be either +3,3v or GND depending on whether they are high or low, right?
[7:04] <valdeEdius> Is it possible to get USB OTG (On-The-Go) compatibility on the raspi?
[7:06] <dr_willis> no idea what otg even is.. ;-)
[7:06] <cougarten> :)
[7:06] <cougarten> USB client instead of host
[7:06] <dr_willis> sounds like a marketing buzzword.
[7:07] <dr_willis> oh. i got some tablets that do that.
[7:07] <ShiftPlusOne> cougarten, aye... except for the gnd, 3.3v and 5v pins... which should obviously stay where they are
[7:07] <cougarten> ShiftPlusOne, ok, than i screwed up with the mosfets :) thank you
[7:08] <ShiftPlusOne> cougarten, used 5v?
[7:09] <cougarten> for what?
[7:09] <cougarten> cougarten, i use a mosfet to regulate a 4,5 (planning on using 12v with 2 ampere) current for some LEDs.
[7:09] <cougarten> whops, talking to my self :)
[7:09] <ShiftPlusOne> ShiftPlusOne, ah, right.
[7:11] <cougarten> when i plug the controling pin of the mosfets in the +4,5v line or the GND of the same power source it works as expected, but on my raspi it does nothing. (even touching the 3,3v und GND pin doesnt to much)
[7:11] <valdeEdius> Essentially the idea is to be able to use a raspi to communicate via usb with a computer. I'm not sure if the usb/charging port already does this?
[7:11] <cougarten> well, i guess i should wait for a gertboard before i fry md chip
[7:11] <valdeEdius> *simultaneously while computer communicates with it.
[7:12] <dr_willis> chargeing port is just chargeing
[7:12] <cougarten> valdeEdius, from what i googled it's at least easier with the model-A, if not only possible with that. The model-B has a build-in hub in the way
[7:12] <dr_willis> i recall reading's
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[7:13] <valdeEdius> Ooooh. Good to know, thank you cougarten.
[7:13] <cougarten> dr_willis, right, charging port is different, BUT you can supply power with one of the other USB sockets too
[7:14] <dr_willis> power the pi from the other ports?
[7:15] <cougarten> dr_willis, try using a powered USB-hub. you can remove the power from the pi and it keeps running :)
[7:16] <dr_willis> i have 2 powered hubs on mine.. and it dosent keep running as far as ive noticed
[7:16] <cougarten> oh... for me it does and i read so elsewhere too
[7:16] <dr_willis> one hub is plugged into the power pi conector and the usb port
[7:17] <cougarten> now i need to find my powered one again :)
[7:17] <dr_willis> ill look tomorrow. but i just unplug the little power cable and it powers off i thought
[7:18] <cougarten> dr_willis, my hub is in my sleeping flatmates room...
[7:18] <valdeEdius> Would it be possible to send keyboard signals _from_ the pi to a windows box?
[7:19] <valdeEdius> I'm not sure otg is even exactly what I'm looking for.
[7:19] <dr_willis> you want the pi to emulate a keybord
[7:20] <valdeEdius> Yes.
[7:20] <asaru> i have seen drivers to emulate keyboards on the pi
[7:20] <asaru> usually for snes controllers or things like that to work in emus
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[7:20] <asaru> but i would imagine it wouldnt be too hard to send those signals over gpio instead of to the kernel
[7:21] <asaru> im sure it could be done
[7:21] <valdeEdius> My objective is to be able to plug a usb cord into a windows machine and have it recognize as a generic keyboard without driver necessity.
[7:22] <cougarten> valdeEdius, what for :) ?
[7:22] <asaru> yeah, sounds interesting
[7:22] <valdeEdius> I'd like to try hooking it up to a camera, and letting it build patterns of what I do.
[7:22] <valdeEdius> And then see if it can replicate patterns that are similar but unique.
[7:23] <valdeEdius> Or notice that I'm doing something repetitious and chime in to do it for me.
[7:23] <rikkib> Ahh Dinner has arrived
[7:25] <dr_willis> build your own connectx
[7:26] <valdeEdius> It could probably learn to play silly flash games for example by analyzing the combinations of colors on the screen, it would follow your mouse and notice the distinction of where you click. If it could gather enough data from the computer, it could pull id's from windows you click on and learn what you click followed by what you type and fill it all in for you when it sees you start the process to a sufficient degree.
[7:27] <cougarten> valdeEdius, found a post with a silly solution :) (arduino in between) http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3723
[7:27] <cougarten> last paragraph
[7:28] <cougarten> of the firt post
[7:28] <valdeEdius> Connectx? Sounds like fun blocks I had as a kid.
[7:28] <valdeEdius> reading...
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[7:29] <valdeEdius> Oh that's brilliant, just bend over to one of the other pins and you're done. Beautiful!
[7:32] <cougarten> valdeEdius, hm?
[7:32] <valdeEdius> I got excited, sorry.
[7:32] <valdeEdius> Saw that first part about the OTG pin being so easy but read on about the drivers being finicky which is about what I anticipated.
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[7:35] * ShiftPlusOne wonders if it's time to tell valdeEdius that what he wants to do can't be done the way he wants to do it yet.
[7:35] <ShiftPlusOne> pi can only be a usb host afaik, no pin bending will change that.
[7:36] <dr_willis> was playing around with omxplayer yesterday and noticed that if i setup mc to play a video file in omxplayer. that for some reason omxplayer dosent seem to be getting the keybord inputs. but they stay in mc. also noticed it occasionaly does this if i start omxplayer directly..
[7:36] <valdeEdius> Yah, that's what I was thinking.
[7:36] <piney> model a has a chance of doing that. depends on the broadcom driver i guess
[7:36] <dr_willis> i had to ssh in and kill omxplayer. anyone else seen a similer issue?
[7:36] <valdeEdius> That's fine. I'll write it down and get to it later =].
[7:38] <valdeEdius> ShiftPlusOne, I read this concerning Model A: " just route the fifth pin (ID pin) right next to the GPIO/UART/SPI/I2C? pins. That way, regular folks get their USB ports, and hackers can build an OTG port if they so please."
[7:39] <ShiftPlusOne> USB is too much voodoo for me personally
[7:39] <valdeEdius> I don't mean bend the pin literally. But route to other pins achieves the ability to act as a device.
[7:39] <valdeEdius> lol
[7:40] <valdeEdius> Maybe another day I will be able to help a computer play a game the way a boy can =\ Lots of things to keep me busy with till then! I can't believe I only just found this thing.
[7:46] <valdeEdius> ty for help. Goodnight.
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[7:47] <dshkjdhas> hi
[7:48] <dshkjdhas> I just received my raspberrypi. I don't have a SD card yet, so no OS. I am trying to power on the device using my TV's USB port. should I see any video output or not?
[7:49] <ShiftPlusOne> and nope here either
[7:49] <dshkjdhas> :-) thanks
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[7:51] <dshkjdhas> one more question, I don't have a USB keyboard at home. If I download an image of a OS, does it come with a default login and SSH enabled?
[7:52] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[7:52] <dshkjdhas> sweet
[7:53] <dr_willis> dshkjdhas: many do.. some dont
[7:53] <dr_willis> theres dozen+ differnt os's you can use
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[7:53] <ShiftPlusOne> and 3 people actually use
[7:53] <dr_willis> I want Hiku ;)
[7:53] <dshkjdhas> I'm going to go with raspbmc
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[7:54] * ShiftPlusOne doesn't think taking raspbian and installing a few packages qualifies as a new distro. >.>
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[7:54] <Mr_Muh> Hi!
[7:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Ahoy there
[7:54] <dr_willis> theres like 4 differnt xbmc-on-the-pi disrtos out there.
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[7:55] <dr_willis> may be up to 8 now a days.. i lost count
[7:55] <Tachyon`> yeah, I'm using the raspbmc one atm
[7:55] <Tachyon`> I did try the openelec one that was suggested but found it didn't save settings
[7:55] <dr_willis> i had good luck with xbian for my xxbmc needs
[7:55] <Mr_Muh> today my first delivery of components will arrive (resistors, leds, photocells, ...)
[7:55] <dr_willis> openelec saved settings here. ;)
[7:56] <Tachyon`> ah, maybe mine was an old one
[7:56] <Tachyon`> it forgot my samba mounts every boot
[7:56] <dr_willis> i havent tried any of them lately. they update constantly
[7:56] <dr_willis> i use unpn/dlna servers these days. not ssamba
[7:56] <dshkjdhas> I don't have a SD card yet, 2GB is enough, yea? I'll be using an external HDD for storage
[7:56] <Tachyon`> well,my NAS supports Samba and NFS, those are my choices, lol
[7:56] <Tachyon`> and given it's a giant PITA to get NFS to work on a windows box
[7:57] <Tachyon`> I went with samba
[7:57] <dr_willis> dshkjdhas: given how cheap 32gbs are ;)
[7:57] <dshkjdhas> I didn't look @ prices yet heh :P
[7:57] <Tachyon`> 64GB SSDs can be had for only slightly more than 32GB SSDs now and come in 1.8" flavours for pi use
[7:57] <dr_willis> i got a 32gb on my pi and.. well... right now.. i have 3 external usb hds. total of like 8TB of storage.. ;) im cleaning out some old stuff on them
[7:58] <Tachyon`> my 20GB IDE will be getting replaced with one
[7:58] <Tachyon`> yeah, I need to upgrade my NAS but hard disks are still expensive
[7:58] <Tachyon`> also, what drives are reliable atm (answer: none of them but WD are slightly better than the rest)
[7:58] <dr_willis> seen 3TB in the $120 range
[7:59] <Tachyon`> 2TB Caviar Green seem the most cost effective atm
[7:59] <dr_willis> saw some 'nas ready RED' drives listed the other day in the $160 range.. not sure how they differ
[7:59] <Tachyon`> could get 5 of those, have 4 in the NAS and 1 spare
[7:59] <Tachyon`> yeah, I've seen those, there's nothing that justifies the price
[7:59] <Tachyon`> the green ones will be fine anyway, I'm not too bothered about them powering down when not in use
[8:00] <Tachyon`> 4x2 or 4x3 though, heh
[8:00] <dshkjdhas> Product Dimensions: 5.1 x 4 x 0.2 inches
[8:00] <dshkjdhas> this will fit?
[8:00] <cougarten> my SD card is crumbeling!
[8:01] <dr_willis> id heard of some green drives not working well with linux. so i have avoided them
[8:01] <Tachyon`> cougarten: kingston?
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[8:01] <cougarten> Tachyon`, "Intenso"
[8:01] <Tachyon`> oh right, I've had three kingston 16s disinterate
[8:01] <Tachyon`> I'll add intenso to the list of brands not to buy
[8:02] <dr_willis> cant said ive ever had any sd cards break on me yet..
[8:02] <Tachyon`> the two 16s I got for the pandora eventually cracked up
[8:02] <cougarten> first it lost its write-protection slider, now it barely holds together
[8:02] <Tachyon`> due to repeated insert/remove cycles
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[8:02] <Tachyon`> I suppose it happens when they make the casings out of plastic 0.2mm thick
[8:02] <dr_willis> how many times through the laundry? ;)
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[8:02] <Tachyon`> none, lol, seriously, they weren't mistreated
[8:02] <Tachyon`> they're just poor quality
[8:02] <cougarten> i don't even speak of ripping seams, it really crumbles... all on its own
[8:03] <Tachyon`> my sandisks are all in one piece
[8:03] * ShiftPlusOne tries not to go on a rant about his pandora still not being here.
[8:03] <dr_willis> i get a varity of them from differnt makers.. so i can tell them apart.
[8:03] <Tachyon`> I took the sensible route and paid the ??100 premium to get one on ebay about 2 years ago
[8:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I know, we've already had this discussion =D
[8:03] <Tachyon`> after seeing the way the wind was blowing re preorders
[8:03] <Tachyon`> ahh
[8:04] <Tachyon`> did I mention the girl sold it because she preferred the caanoo for some reason
[8:04] <ShiftPlusOne> nope O_o
[8:04] <cougarten> I own a Kingston DataTraveler stick that has been in the washing mashine for weeks. Part of the shielding broke off and there was a little rust, but it still worked.
[8:04] <ShiftPlusOne> What the hell can it do than a pandora can't? O_o
[8:04] <Tachyon`> nothing, it's just cheaper and arrived on time
[8:05] <Tachyon`> I've never bought such devices
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[8:05] <Tachyon`> as I have a PSP which is very suited to emulators
[8:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, at least I upgraded to the 1ghz unit, so hopefully I'll get it in the next few years =D
[8:06] <Tachyon`> I was goign to buy one of the new ones
[8:06] <cougarten> my girlfriend used to play pokemon on my mp3 player :) rockbox linux for the win
[8:06] <dr_willis> Not even sure what a Pandora is.. ;)
[8:06] <Tachyon`> until I saw the ???666 price
[8:06] <Tachyon`> ah, rockbox
[8:06] <Tachyon`> I had that on my ipod video
[8:06] <Tachyon`> I was able to run spectrum games on it
[8:06] <cougarten> right :)
[8:06] <ShiftPlusOne> cougarten, +1. I remember getting really strange looks when people saw me playing doom and such on an ipod back when they were still black and white.
[8:06] <cougarten> today i got another player from ebay, repaired the broken power button, but couldn't get it back together!...
[8:07] <Tachyon`> WoW has pokemon in it now
[8:07] <Tachyon`> and trainers and so on
[8:07] <cougarten> WoW?
[8:07] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.games/wow.retail/WoWScrnShot_010313_075512.jpg
[8:07] <Tachyon`> yeah, they're going to get sued
[8:08] <cougarten> wtf :)
[8:09] <cougarten> is there any limit to the mpeg-2 quality on the raspberry? i know there is one for the h264
[8:09] <Tachyon`> there's always a limit
[8:09] <Tachyon`> but given how it handles my collection of media
[8:10] <Tachyon`> it's a high limit
[8:10] <Tachyon`> I have one film that's 13GiB and it played that without stuttering or anything
[8:11] <asaru> 13gib? what codec/container?
[8:11] <Tachyon`> mkv, h264, not sure which variant
[8:11] <Tachyon`> it was an HD copy of V for Vendetta
[8:12] <Tachyon`> but regardless it played it with no skipping, raspbmc also seems to handle audio better than omxplayer in that it doesn't skip on my trek films
[8:12] <asaru> nice
[8:12] <Tachyon`> as while the video is hardware decoded the audio is not
[8:12] <Tachyon`> and omxplayer used to choke on some 7.1 stuff
[8:13] <Tachyon`> the wrath of khan in particular
[8:13] <Tachyon`> (HD remaster)
[8:15] <sheldor> is there any way to change the console colors like CYAN, RED, BLUE, ETC in linux? like put actual rgb colors instead
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[8:19] <Tachyon`> yes but that might require recompiling the kernel
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[8:22] <dr_willis> there is a fbterm (a console terminal program) that might let you do it. but i havent looked into it much
[8:23] <dr_willis> the blue of the console is a little hard to read at times
[8:23] <Tachyon`> I'm trying to remember if there's an escape sequence to tell the terminal to redefine its colours
[8:24] <Tachyon`> I vaguely remember reading something of the sort but can't remember where
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[8:24] <dr_willis> theres numerous frambufer files - but i havent looked into them in ages either
[8:25] <dr_willis> i was just looking at the pacvkages and saw 'fbterm' i think. and was toying with it on the framebuffer. it lets you have a terminal with differnt fonts and othe rfeatures
[8:25] <dr_willis> on the console
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[8:25] <dr_willis> so if it can change fonts.. it might let you change colors
[8:26] <dr_willis> This 'text windowing enviroment' i used years ago seemed to have vanished. It let you have multi terminals on the console. with the old dos type ascii-graphics/windows interface. ascii-boxs with a terminal in each window.
[8:27] <dr_willis> was looking for it yesterday. it would be nice on a large console like the pi has
[8:28] <Tachyon`> there's still screen
[8:28] <Tachyon`> also splitvt does at least let you have two terminals
[8:28] <Tachyon`> or more if you run it more than once
[8:28] <dr_willis> sourceforge.net/projects/twin/
[8:28] <dr_willis> there we go
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[8:28] <dr_willis> twin would let you have 4+ and rearange them like you would terminals on X. ;)
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[8:29] <dr_willis> its not in the ubuntu repos any more it seems.. or the debian repos - unless its been renamed
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[8:32] <Tachyon`> I wonder if there was some security issue with it
[8:32] <dr_willis> i think it had a single developer.. and hes moved on..
[8:33] <dr_willis> from what im reading
[8:33] <dr_willis> Its really a neat idea.
[8:33] <dr_willis> may have to try to get it going this weekend. but my coding skills are very low
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[8:34] <dr_willis> years ago i had irssi setup with twin where differnt windows had differnt channels.. ;) i think it was irssi. i used fifos and some wonky bash stuff
[8:34] <Tachyon`> might be interesting for use on my phone actually
[8:35] <Tachyon`> which I've put debian on
[8:35] <Tachyon`> reminds me of some of the old dos apps, lol
[8:35] <dr_willis> Yea - last i used twin it had a X mode where it would work in X, and console modes. You could connect diffenrt machines to the same twin 'session' and have a shared terminal desktop basically
[8:35] <Tachyon`> borland stuff etc.
[8:36] <dr_willis> Yep - exactly like the old dos text gui stuff
[8:36] <dr_willis> I think i had to set the console font to be a specifc one also for it to work right
[8:36] <dr_willis> or at least look right
[8:36] <Tachyon`> aye, some editing there might be needed
[8:37] <dr_willis> get twin going. and figure out how to make omxplayer stay in the top right corner.. ;) and play videos
[8:37] <Tachyon`> and perhaps updates so it can receive mouse events from putty
[8:37] <Tachyon`> that might not be possible
[8:37] <Tachyon`> I think omxplayer just throws the viedo at the chipset
[8:37] <dr_willis> I dont recall ever using it over putty
[8:37] <Tachyon`> I don't think you can specify the size or anything
[8:37] <cougarten> twin looks cool for ssh :)
[8:38] <dr_willis> cougarten: ;) yep. every so often i rember using it.. and keep hopeing it will get revived
[8:38] <dr_willis> the benifit of open source.... old cool stuff comming back..
[8:38] <Tachyon`> I'm inclined to have a crack at it
[8:38] <Tachyon`> it might be handy used on an HD TV in console mode with an 8x16 font
[8:38] <dr_willis> well ill help.. but i cant cod emuch
[8:38] <Tachyon`> get quite a lot done then
[8:39] <cougarten> which player is best for videos? i just installed mplayer but remember the namo omxplayer
[8:39] <cougarten> console only is fine
[8:39] <Tachyon`> the lastest revision was last year
[8:39] <Tachyon`> after a long pause
[8:39] <dr_willis> omxplayer is basically the ONLY video player for the pi. ;)
[8:39] <ShiftPlusOne> not so much a matter of what's best, but a matter of what actually works... your only choice is omxplayer.
[8:39] <dr_willis> Tachyon`: yea. the 'twtools' package seem to not been updated since 2001 i think heh
[8:40] <Tachyon`> it only goes up to 0.2
[8:40] <Tachyon`> presumably it was integrated from 0.3 onwards
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[8:40] <Tachyon`> as the main app is up to 0.6
[8:41] <cougarten> ah, cool :)
[8:41] <Tachyon`> raspbmc handles what omx doesn't
[8:41] <Tachyon`> namely difficult audio decoding
[8:41] <cougarten> can i auto-start an app (omxplayer) upon boot without x?
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[8:42] <asaru> vlc does not work?
[8:42] <Tachyon`> yes
[8:42] <Tachyon`> well, no
[8:42] <Tachyon`> you can run omxplayer without x
[8:42] <Tachyon`> autostarting would be odd as you have to supply it a filename to play
[8:42] <Tachyon`> you'd have to write a shell or something if you wanted that
[8:42] <asaru> if you want like a kiosk, where it'll just play the same video over and over again, thats easy
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[8:42] <ShiftPlusOne> asaru, vlc doesn't to omx, so you wpm
[8:43] <dr_willis> raspbmc uses omxolayer i think
[8:43] <ShiftPlusOne> won't have accelerated decoding
[8:43] <ShiftPlusOne> (hand slipped)
[8:43] <Tachyon`> whatever raspbmc uses, the audio decoding is superior to omxplayer
[8:43] <Tachyon`> although I think it is using hardwrae for the video decoding
[8:43] <asaru> oh, vlc wont do hardware decoding?
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[8:43] <ShiftPlusOne> originally omxplayer was a backsend for xbmc written for the pi. It was hacked out as a standalone program.
[8:44] <dr_willis> or its pasding an option to omcplayer
[8:44] <cougarten> Tachyon`, i want to drop a video.m2v or something on to the SD and have it auto-play in a loop when i flip the power-strip on
[8:44] <Tachyon`> oh right, that is as metnioned easy then
[8:44] <Tachyon`> although seems a bit of a waste
[8:44] <Tachyon`> is it for an advert/sign or something
[8:44] <cougarten> why :) ?
[8:44] <ShiftPlusOne> dr_willis, xbmc (and therefore raspbmc) still uses omxplayer, but I guess there are some differences between the backend and standalone omxplayer.
[8:45] <dr_willis> these things are getting updated fast.
[8:45] <cougarten> Tachyon`, it's for exhibitions of video stuff
[8:45] <cougarten> Tachyon`, but just for me and friends, nothing comercial for now d)
[8:45] <cougarten> :)
[8:46] <asaru> cougarten: just add your omxplayer command to teh end of /etc/profile
[8:46] <cougarten> asaru, cool, thank you
[8:46] <dr_willis> or rc.local
[8:46] <asaru> or that
[8:47] <dr_willis> depends on the dustro
[8:48] <asaru> or in inittab
[8:48] <dr_willis> i had issues running omxplayer stand alone.. it would like lose focus. keys got sent to the underlaying shell
[8:48] <asaru> but that would be weird
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[8:49] <asaru> in inittab replace getty with omxplayer, no underlying shell.. would that work?
[8:49] <dr_willis> a little overkill
[8:49] <dr_willis> :-P
[8:49] <asaru> so
[8:49] <axion> replace init itself :)
[8:49] <asaru> lol
[8:50] <axion> i run a lisp image like that
[8:50] <axion> nothing but a kernel and development environment :)
[8:50] <dr_willis> init=/bin/omxplayer hotties.avi
[8:50] <asaru> hah
[8:51] <dr_willis> i seem to recall some geexbox feature like that years ago
[8:51] <dr_willis> a self playing video cd
[8:51] <asaru> well if you replace tty1 with omxplayer, you can still altf2 over to another tty if needed
[8:52] <dr_willis> you just cant see tty2 if its playing
[8:52] <asaru> hmm
[8:52] <asaru> but, this way if theres no underlying shell running, maybe your omxplayer wouldnt lose focus
[8:52] <dr_willis> and if tty3 has focus.. cant quit omxolayer
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[8:55] <axion> while :; do omxplayer -o hdmi file.ext; done
[8:55] <asaru> nice
[8:55] <axion> execute that file on boot replacing file.ext
[8:56] <rikkib> Desert jaffa cheese cake. Orange with chocolate on top. Hmmmm
[8:56] <dr_willis> how about all files in a directory
[8:56] <axion> randomly or?
[8:56] <axion> sequentially?
[8:56] <booyaa> woohoo openvpn clients for ios and android! http://openvpn.net
[8:56] <dr_willis> in order is fine heh
[8:56] <axion> for i in *; do blah; done
[8:57] <dr_willis> *.avi dident work last i tried it. was to lazy to look up the bash
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[8:58] <dr_willis> aslo noticed if i skipped forward the video blavked out. then came back
[8:58] <axion> FILE=$(find /path/to/dir) omxplayer -o hdmi "$FILE"
[8:58] <dr_willis> hard to skip comercuals or other scenes without going too far
[8:58] <axion> err
[8:59] <axion> FILE=$(find /path/to/dir -type f) omxplayer -o hdmi "$FILE"
[9:00] <dr_willis> i m not sure omxolayer takes more then 1 video at a time as an arguement
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[9:01] <axion> you are correct
[9:01] <axion> then you can loop over them...
[9:02] <axion> for i infor i in "$(find /mnt/extra/movies -type f)"; do omxplayer -o hdmi "$i"; done
[9:02] <axion> oops
[9:02] <axion> for i in "$(find /mnt/extra/movies -type f)"; do omxplayer -o hdmi "$i"; done
[9:03] <axion> thats my path and tested
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[9:06] <axion> but i am doing more work than needed...
[9:07] <axion> the best way is without a secondary subshell process like this
[9:07] <axion> find /path -type f -exec omxplayer -o hdmi "{}" ';'
[9:08] <dr_willis> put this on the blog and post it to the magpi magazine
[9:08] <dr_willis> i gotta run. bbl
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[9:17] <cougarten> I'm too stupid.... how do i run a *.bin from the hello_pi examples?
[9:17] <axion> either chmod +x it, or use sh file.bin
[9:18] <axion> if executable, ./file.bin
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[9:19] <cougarten> if i'm in the folder allready, why does tybing sh hell[TAB] not autocomplete?
[9:20] <axion> hell?
[9:20] <cougarten> oh...
[9:20] <cougarten> i was trying to run hello_video
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[9:23] <axion> if it is indeed a binary, and not a .bin script. you cant do this
[9:23] <axion> you must mark it executable and type ./hello_video.bin
[9:24] <cougarten> oh damn, i got :)
[9:24] <cougarten> thank you
[9:26] <axion> no prob
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[9:26] <rikkib> Early to bed... Thu Jan 17 21:26:06 NZDT 2013 Ni Night.
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[9:27] <cougarten> hehe, I'm laaaaate
[9:27] <cougarten> 9:30 am and havent slept yet
[9:27] <axion> onto the previous topic. if anyone wants to play a random video in their neverending sub-directories of movies, try this: omxplayer -o hdmi "$(find * -type f | shuf -n1)"
[9:28] <axion> :)
[9:28] <cougarten> :)
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[9:29] <axion> replace * with any path if you do not want to cd there first
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[9:47] <randomdev> can i use the pi as the 'master' plug on a usb hub and also power it from the same hub?
[9:47] <randomdev> or will it create an infinite loop and collapse the universe
[9:48] <Dyskette> randomdev: I believe you can even power it through the USB master connection, if your hub backfeeds power.
[9:48] <randomdev> no lights came on when i just plugged it in so i guess it doesnt
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[9:51] <axion> i believe only rev2 boards can
[9:52] <randomdev> think this is rev2, how do i tell
[9:52] <randomdev> says model b
[9:52] <nimmis|work> randomdev, yes it works then when i found out that the board could be feuded backwards i only uses 1 USB kabel
[9:52] <nimmis|work> feeded*
[9:52] <axion> all rev2's are model b, but not all model b's are rev2's
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[9:53] <Dyskette> You can't backpower on a rev1 due to the polyfuses across the usb sockets, is that right?
[9:53] <axion> revision number in /proc/cpuinfo
[9:53] <nimmis|work> those without the USB fuses
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[9:53] <randomdev> says rev 7 ?
[9:53] <axion> not cpu revision
[9:53] <axion> revision
[9:54] <randomdev> 000f
[9:54] <axion> before the serial number
[9:55] <randomdev> sayys 000f
[9:55] <Dyskette> Pretty damn sure mine's a rev1, and mine says 0002 for revision
[9:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Dyskette, that's right, that's a rev1
[9:56] <randomdev> so 000f is ?
[9:56] <Dyskette> Rev2, presumably
[9:56] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
[9:56] <axion> 15 is a rev2
[9:56] <Dyskette> Heh.
[9:56] <axion> 0f is 15
[9:56] <axion> err f
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[9:57] <randomdev> ah k
[9:57] <ShiftPlusOne> rev 2 is 4,5 and 6
[9:57] <randomdev> apparently 15 is 2
[9:57] <axion> If you look at the Product Overview on Element14(Newark/Farnell), you see that the codes 13,14,15 all are Rev 2 - 512mb .
[9:57] <randomdev> Product Overview on Element14(Newark/Farnell), you see that the codes 13,14,15 all are Rev 2 - 512mb .
[9:57] <randomdev> haha
[9:57] <Dyskette> So yeah, rev2.
[9:57] <ShiftPlusOne> axion, ah ok, thanks.
[9:57] <randomdev> same page
[9:57] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/09/checking-your-raspberry-pi-board-version/
[9:58] <ShiftPlusOne> a abit dates then?
[9:58] <ShiftPlusOne> *dated
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[9:59] <gordonDrogon> hi
[10:00] <neilr> morning
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[10:01] <enthusi> hey guys
[10:02] <enthusi> for gpu support in movies I cant use mplayer, right? Just learned that.
[10:02] <enthusi> any advice which player to use and how much RAM to attribute to gfx?
[10:02] <enthusi> any help is greatly appreciated :)
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[10:04] <knoppies> enthusi, I think there is only one player which currently supports GPU. I forget its name. Im sure its all over the Pi forums. (Somebody help me out here ;)
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[10:06] <Perkele> omxplayer or something like that
[10:06] <enthusi> ah, cool
[10:06] <enthusi> I was a bit disappointed when I tried mplayer
[10:06] <enthusi> ;-)
[10:06] <jelly1> mplayer rules though
[10:06] <Perkele> absolutely
[10:06] <enthusi> yeah, my #1 choice on all other machines naturally :)
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[10:09] <earl2> hi
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[10:13] <knoppies> enthusi, my number one choice is vlc. I havent used mplayer
[10:13] <randomdev> when i shutdown the pi.. is there a way to get it booted again without unplugging and replugging it ?
[10:13] <knoppies> randomdev, I dont think so. Does the Pi support wol?
[10:13] <ShiftPlusOne> randomdev, yes, there is wake from halt functionality.
[10:13] <knoppies> ShiftPlusOne, how do you do that?
[10:14] <ShiftPlusOne> You need to update the firmware, then you can restart it by shorting two of the gpio pins.
[10:14] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=24682
[10:14] <DDave> hey is there a possibility of bringing the leds out to the case?
[10:14] <DDave> (without massively soldering onto the pcb itself..)
[10:14] <jelly1> randomdev: by rebooting :P
[10:15] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: :O
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[10:15] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: interesting :o
[10:15] <ShiftPlusOne> DDave, there are these light guide things in some cases which do that.
[10:15] <DDave> Like a small optical fibre
[10:15] <randomdev> hmm does wake on lan work ?
[10:15] <DDave> that "routes" the light?
[10:16] <ShiftPlusOne> DDave, basically just a chunk of plastic in the right shape, but yeah, the same idea.
[10:16] <DDave> Well it has to guide the light somehow..
[10:16] <DDave> let me google that :)
[10:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Check the Iceberg case for an example
[10:17] <earl2> hi gordonDrogon, you around?
[10:17] <DDave> oh,thats smart! Ty ShiftPlusOne !
[10:17] <ShiftPlusOne> np
[10:18] <ShiftPlusOne> http://elinux.org/images/d/df/DSC02045-p.JPG
[10:18] <DDave> looks good, now to figure out how I could DIY that..
[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> I think you just need clear plastic that's a bit less clear at the end so that the light diffuses there.
[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> but there might be more magic to it
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[10:19] <DDave> and some "law of reflection" from physics
[10:19] <DDave> should do it
[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> like actually worrying about the refraction angle or whatever
[10:19] <randomdev> anyone use openelec/xbmc and mysql database ?
[10:20] <DDave> yep, nothing better than some tests though :) Ill have a try and I might make a guide if I get it working!
[10:21] <earl2> hi, Datalink
[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> DDave, physics-wise (and I am going from memory here), if you know the refractive index n, you can figure out the angle for total internal reflection and make sure your plastic doesn't bend more than that, then diffuse it at the end and it should be fine.
[10:22] <DDave> exactly :)
[10:22] <DDave> The only difficulty is finding plastic (for me, I live in a silly country..)
[10:23] <ShiftPlusOne> In what country is plastic unobtainable?
[10:23] <DDave> You would be surprised how hard it will be to find thick enough plastic
[10:23] <DDave> that doesnt come with a minimum order of 100 tons.. xD
[10:23] <DDave> ShiftPlusOne, Luxembourg, 450k inhabitants
[10:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm... acrylic glass has a critical angle of 41.8 degrees according to wikipedia, so that's plenty to work with.
[10:23] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[10:24] <DDave> afaik I can bend it with some heat
[10:24] <randomdev> hmm crap, looks like openelec xbmc and normal xbmc using different database tables
[10:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> use fiber optic strands from a old fiber lamp ...
[10:25] <DDave> RaTTuS|BIG, smart too :) I shall have a look at what I can find
[10:25] <randomdev> maybe like some plastic cutlery ?
[10:25] <DDave> acrylic would be better imho as it will not move one the case is setup, for fiber youll have to clue it or something
[10:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Maybe build and oil rig and refine your own plastic
[10:25] <ShiftPlusOne> make millions
[10:25] <DDave> :D
[10:27] <neilr> Use small photo sensitive cells in front of the on-board LEDs. Route the input to the GPIO. Then analyse which LEDs are on, and power another set of LEDs on the outside of the case. No need for fibre-optics :)
[10:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[10:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Use festival to speak whenever the ACCT light flashes to let you know
[10:29] <neilr> Only problem with Festival is that it seems to take 100% of the CPU when speaking, and everything else stops
[10:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, the only problem.
[10:30] <neilr> I tried using it in my version of Elite on Raspbian - the game stopped whenever it was called
[10:30] <DDave> Well ty for all the tips, Ill see what I can do
[10:30] <ShiftPlusOne> what's 'your version' of elite? O_o
[10:31] <neilr> Elite: New Kind - compiled on Raspbian with GCC
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[10:31] * ShiftPlusOne looks it up
[10:32] <cougarten> btw, the RS-components logos on their packaging look like swastikas at first glance
[10:32] <neilr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCvAVfCqzWc
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[10:34] <ShiftPlusOne> looks good
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[10:35] <neilr> Obviously, I took the speech synthesis out :)
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[10:35] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[10:36] <neilr> It was like being chastised by Stephen Hawking.
[10:36] <dr_willis> Hmm, Just saw some fiber optic cables here used for part sensing.. about 1/4 in in diamater,
[10:36] <dr_willis> on some of the better/cleaner ones you could 'see' through them and look around corners. ;)
[10:38] <dr_willis> could glue some into a pi case and get the leds viewable. but ive no idea how you cut the stuff. I think the electrians have some sort of kit with special knife/polishing compoind for the ends
[10:38] <Mortvert> Is there a way to convert RCA to VGA?
[10:38] <Mortvert> I can't really afford to pay for HDMI->VGA converter
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[10:38] <neilr> dr_willis: That's correct. Splicing fibres needs some specialist tools.
[10:38] <dr_willis> I got a VGA toRCA adaotor.. but im not sure it goes the reverse
[10:39] <AndrevS> I don't know if a RCA to VGA converter would be cheaper then a HDMI to VGA converter
[10:39] * ShiftPlusOne gets back to coding
[10:41] <AndrevS> The HDMI to VGA adapter I am using is US$ 22,20 / ??? 16.71
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[10:44] <earl2> hi, returning to the simple analog force sensor http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-a-Ridiculously-Cheap-Analog-Pressure-S/
[10:45] <Dyskette> 3~
[10:45] <earl2> how long can the line to it be with substantially the same performance?
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[10:45] <earl2> Dyskette, is "3 feet" your answer? it came for me before my question
[10:46] <Dyskette> earl2: no, it was my 'accidentally hit PgUp rather than left for switching irssi windows, then hit enter instead of backspace"
[10:46] <Dyskette> earl2: still drinking my first coffee of the day :P
[10:46] <earl2> ha
[10:46] <earl2> :)
[10:46] <earl2> Dyskette, are you OK at assembling things?
[10:46] <earl2> (have ever done it)
[10:47] <Dyskette> I'm pretty terrible with my hands, actually (as the above indicates!)
[10:47] <earl2> oh
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[10:49] <Dyskette> As for how long the wires to it can be, that'd depend on the wires' resistance more than anything, wouldn't it?
[10:50] <Dyskette> Which would make it a classic case of "it depends" :P
[10:50] <ShiftPlusOne> earl2, you understand that it's just a variable resistor and simply viring it to an analog input won't do anything, yeah?
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[10:51] <kippi> morning
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[10:52] <ShiftPlusOne> earl2, you'd need to convert it to a voltage using a voltage divider or something and make sure that it falls within the range of whatever the chip you're using is.
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[10:53] <kippi> I have a issue where I have plugged in a 3g dongle and it works when directly plugged into the pi, but i have now connected a hub and it won't switch the modem on, error is: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd usb_modeswitch any pointers?
[10:53] <ShiftPlusOne> chances are that each one of your 12 'sensors' will give different resistances as well
[10:53] <earl2> that's fne by me
[10:53] <earl2> I thought (from what people here said) that just hooking it up to an adc is most of the difficulty
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[10:54] <earl2> ShiftPlusOne, how would you do it with these things to get to where i can read it in software? (as cheap / few components as possible, breadboard is okay, plus a rpi which my software is for)?
[10:54] <earl2> i just need to know relative values like light, medium, heavy force. and it can be calibrated.
[10:55] <ShiftPlusOne> earl2, exactly as discussed last night. Use the tutorial from adafruit use two of the chips instead of one.
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[10:55] <Amadiro> kippi, I've had similar problems with a usb soundcard and a low-quality usb hub. Try with a different one.
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[10:56] <cougarten> anyone who can tell me how to use a mosfet? I seem to stupid
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[10:56] <earl2> but others have told me it's much better to use a single 16-channel adc
[10:57] <BasBenIk> Hey Guys, I have multiple raspberry pi's and I'm going to use them as an easy way to show a fullscreen webpage to display interesting information. I already setup one raspberry and made an image so I can copy them to the others for easy setting up. But I want to make it even simpler, because now I have to SSH them and change the ip and wireless network information and stuff, also I want to use them on different places. So I would be n
[10:57] <BasBenIk> I could change the configuration beforehand for each individual PI for easy set-up. Can someone explain me an easy way or point me in the right direction?
[10:57] <ShiftPlusOne> earl2, they are tricky to find in a form you can easily use on a breadboard.
[10:58] <Gr33n3gg> BasBenIk: you might want to check out puppet for configuration
[10:58] <earl2> I see.
[10:59] <kippi> Amadiro: so you think it's the hub?
[10:59] <earl2> considering that i dont know anything about this...what is the alternative to a breadboard?
[10:59] <BasBenIk> I was thinking something of an extra config.txt or something that I can access when I put the SD in my mac and use that variables on startup or something, but I have no idea where to start
[10:59] <BasBenIk> Thanks Gr33n3gg I will look into that
[11:00] <ShiftPlusOne> earl2, a veroboard/stripboard, but that won't help you much either in this case, you'll have to solder if you don't use a chip that comes in a DIP package.
[11:00] <Gr33n3gg> BasBenIk: that's if you want a unified configuration
[11:01] <Tachyon`> heh, got twin built, runs, soon as I execute a command, segfault, lol
[11:01] <earl2> ShiftPlusOne - how long does solderin like that take?
[11:02] <neilr> earl2: why not buy a cheap soldering iron and learn? It's a good skill to have, and not expensive.
[11:02] <ShiftPlusOne> earl2, depends on the specific package type. Some can be very problematic and take a lot of experience to get right on the first go.
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[11:03] <neilr> unless you're soldering surface mount stuff, it's really not too tricky
[11:03] <ShiftPlusOne> neilr, well it would be surface mount in this case most likely
[11:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I couldn't find an adc throughole chip with 12+ channels with a compatible interface
[11:04] <BasBenIk> Gr33n3gg I already need a network connection to use puppet, I want to set the wireless configuration beforehand. Because I want to set it up in multiple offices
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[11:04] <ShiftPlusOne> But maybe I missed something http://au.element14.com/analog-to-digital-converters-adc
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[11:04] <neilr> still not impossible though, with a bit of practice. Look at the Gertboard for an example. Loads of surface mount stuff, but designed to be sold as a kit.
[11:05] <ShiftPlusOne> neilr, earl2 isn't willing to learn.
[11:05] <ShiftPlusOne> (much)
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[11:05] <BasBenIk> I don't really want to manage them, once they are setup it's fine, but I wonder if I can simplify the initial setup, because almost every setting is the same
[11:06] <earl2> neilr, it's not that. I'm just spending the time on software
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[11:06] <earl2> you don't fabricate your own chips either, why not, you could melt sand and etch it with a laser :)
[11:06] <earl2> maybe when i have more time i will also learn it
[11:06] <ShiftPlusOne> no... no you couldn't
[11:08] <ShiftPlusOne> earl2, the issues here is that you're spending more effort on not doing it yourself than it would take to just do it yourself.
[11:08] <earl2> i meant learn what we're talking about now :)
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[11:08] <earl2> ShiftPlusOne, I doubt this.
[11:08] <earl2> I dont' understand any of the acronyms you guys use.
[11:08] <earl2> i dont understand the basics here.
[11:09] <earl2> i just want to read the sensors in software
[11:09] <ShiftPlusOne> earl2, which is why the adafruit tutorial is great for you.
[11:09] <earl2> ok, can you link it again
[11:09] <ShiftPlusOne> and if you have specific questions, ask.
[11:09] * dr_willis sences a distubance in the Pi Force.
[11:09] <earl2> xsorry dr_willis
[11:09] <ShiftPlusOne> if I can find it
[11:10] <dr_willis> wonder if you could make a Theromon from a pi. One of those noise maker things that suawks depending on how you expose the antennas. ;)
[11:10] <dr_willis> Threamon? I dont even know how to spell it..
[11:10] <ShiftPlusOne> http://learn.adafruit.com/reading-a-analog-in-and-controlling-audio-volume-with-the-raspberry-pi
[11:10] <Dyskette> Theremin
[11:10] <dr_willis> ;)
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[11:11] <Dyskette> I'd be interested if you can. I've been wanting to build a theremin for a while, but parts are expensive
[11:11] <dr_willis> saw a tv show with that goofy british guy about them the other day
[11:11] <neilr> Honestly earl2 - buy a cheap soldering iron (Maplin, Tandy, Farnell etc) and rip some wire out of an old appliance and learn to solder it together. Will take an hour at the most. If you can use a pen, you can solder.
[11:11] <earl2> ok
[11:11] <neilr> 'goofy british guy' applies to most of the country
[11:11] <dr_willis> Im not even sure whaat parts are in one. ;)
[11:11] <Dyskette> neilr: half of the country, at most. The other half might take umbrage to being called a guy.
[11:12] <dr_willis> a little radio reciever and an antanna that some how picks up a weak signal i thouight
[11:12] <earl2> i'm reading the adafruit guide and will post here when finished.
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[11:12] <dr_willis> BYO Geiger counter
[11:12] <neilr> Dyskette: good point, well made
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[11:16] <Dyskette> dr_willis: thereminworld.com has lots of schematics and so on, including for one built around an arduino
[11:16] <dr_willis> there ya go. make a Pieremin!
[11:16] <dr_willis> No idea what i would do with one.. other then annoy the dog..
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[11:17] <Dyskette> I play in a band where it would be most welcome, hence my interest.
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[11:18] <Dyskette> Also why an optical theremin (which are cheap to build) is no use - stage lighting mucks them up proper.
[11:18] * neilr wonders how you tell if a theremin is being played well...
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> well if the beach boys can do it ...
[11:19] <dr_willis> the dogs howl in tune
[11:20] <neilr> Could you do a light-controlled theremin? Sounds like the kind of thing Jean Michel Jarre would have used.
[11:20] <Dyskette> neilr: yeah, optical theremins
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[11:20] <Dyskette> neilr: they're quite cheap and easy to build, and really small
[11:20] <earl2> I'm sorry, the tutorial you linked makes me committed not to do it: did you see the video at the end? The thing doesn't work. Actually turning the knob locked up and killed sound.
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[11:21] <earl2> if he can't actually do this simple thing then I will probably mess up just as bad on just the wiring
[11:21] <earl2> he can't do the software - I can't do the hardware
[11:21] <earl2> it's that simple.
[11:21] <earl2> watch his video - http://learn.adafruit.com/reading-a-analog-in-and-controlling-audio-volume-with-the-raspberry-pi/run-it
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[11:22] <ShiftPlusOne> earl2, you don't want to use it because the audio driver is bad? O_o
[11:22] <earl2> it didnt work, at all
[11:22] <earl2> instead of turning the knob and seeing values change between 0 and 100, he turned the knob and nothing happened
[11:22] <ShiftPlusOne> did we watch the same video?
[11:22] <earl2> if i did that i would have no one to blame but myself, for not seeing my own limitations.
[11:23] <earl2> yet it remained at 84% the first three times he turned the knob.
[11:23] <earl2> look, frankly i now think this is a trap to get me to waste my time, as if someone else did it "for" me it wouldn't work either
[11:23] <earl2> to be honest it seems like you guys are militantly hobbyist here.
[11:23] <earl2> and nothing is expected to work.
[11:24] <ShiftPlusOne> ok
[11:24] <earl2> what a waste of time
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[11:25] <ShiftPlusOne> jesus
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[11:25] <dr_willis> militant hobbyist. ;-)
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[11:26] * ShiftPlusOne has a feeling he will be back in a few days anyway
[11:26] <dr_willis> i dont play with toy army men.... anymore
[11:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, to each his own I guess. I am just wondering what he was expecting would happen. =/
[11:28] <dr_willis> looks like the video worked to me
[11:28] <dr_willis> its just not a super precise knob
[11:29] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, and the audio driver didn't work too well with his code.
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[11:39] <gordonDrogon> wow. invented a volume knob.
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[11:39] <gordonDrogon> quite unimpressive really. fun, I guess.
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[11:41] * megaproxy yawns
[11:41] <neilr> blimey, I step away for five mins to make a cuppa, and miss the best flouncing I've seen in ages
[11:41] <megaproxy> we ran out of go juice at work
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[11:43] <dr_willis> you dont mess with militant hobbyists.
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[11:47] <ShiftPlusOne> what's a flouncing? O_o
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[11:47] <neilr> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flounce
[11:48] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[11:48] <neilr> careful at work with that link - there's loads of stuff in there you don't want your corporate firewall to see :)
[11:49] <AndrevS> lol
[11:49] <aDro> What to do next?
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> I am the corporate firewall :)
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> are we talking about earl2?
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> poor guy was looking for some help last night too.
[11:52] <aDro> I am looking for help
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[11:52] <gordonDrogon> lives in hungary I think. seems hard to get electronics, etc. there in a hurry...
[11:53] <aDro> I am wondering if it is possible to get this bluetooth adapter working.
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> I know nothing about bluetooth, other than using my headset with my phone when in the car...
[11:53] <aDro> What about getting it working on RPi?
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[11:53] <aDro> http://www.elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Bluetooth_adapters
[11:54] <ShiftPlusOne> aDro, what's the problem?
[11:54] <ShiftPlusOne> I had a keyboard working through bluetooth just fine.
[11:54] <aDro> IOGear GBU321 (Broadcom BCM2045 Chipset) works fine, but I can't seem to get the Broadcom BCM2046 working
[11:55] <aDro> I wonder if it's impossible, and I have googled this
[11:55] <aDro> One good thread went no where.
[11:55] <ShiftPlusOne> and I am guessing you're not a linux noob and know how to investigate that sort of thing, yeah?
[11:55] <aDro> I am bordering on noob
[11:55] <ShiftPlusOne> What's the hardware id of the dongle?
[11:56] <ShiftPlusOne> actually nvrm the chipset gives plenty
[11:57] <aDro> Bus 001 Device 014: ID 0a5c:4500 Broadcom Corp. BCM2046B1 USB 2.0 Hub (part of BCM2046 Bluetooth)
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> if you unplug it, and then plug it back in, what's at the end of dmesg? does it load a driver or recognise it as a lbuetooth device?
[11:59] <aDro> sorry just a sec
[12:00] <aDro> http://pastebin.com/UJxRSHVK
[12:02] <aDro> I installed bluez-utils bluetooth and blueman
[12:02] <aDro> The little LED in the inside doesn't even turn on :(
[12:02] <ShiftPlusOne> So what is it exactly, if it a hub with built in bluetooth or something?
[12:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Why is is showing up as a hub and why is there a mouse and keyboard showing up as well O_o
[12:04] <aDro> there is a hib plugged in for the mouse and keyboard, but the bluetooth is attached to the board, let me unplug the hub, since I am not using it
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[12:05] <aDro> I just rest my unit
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[12:05] <ShiftPlusOne> that dmesg log seems to show the hub being unplugged and plugged back in rather than the bluetooth dongle O_o
[12:05] <aDro> yeah, I noticed
[12:06] <aDro> strange
[12:06] <dr_willis> i need to try bt keybord again this werkend. i never did get it working
[12:07] <aDro> http://pastebin.com/KQP8Sz3D
[12:07] <aDro> That's after boot
[12:07] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, it's working fine
[12:08] <aDro> $ sudo hciconfig -a
[12:08] <aDro> doesn't return any values
[12:09] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll let someone else take over then =/
[12:10] <ShiftPlusOne> what about hcitool dev ?
[12:10] <aDro> Devices:
[12:11] <ShiftPlusOne> and hciconfig -a doesn't even show the device at all?
[12:11] <aDro> not at all
[12:11] <ShiftPlusOne> can you post more of dmesg?
[12:12] <aDro> http://pastebin.com/VGTaMtvm
[12:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Again, I don't see where the device is being plugged in
[12:14] <aDro> If I unplug it and plug it back in, it will reset the device
[12:14] <aDro> I could use the hub
[12:14] <ShiftPlusOne> it restarts your pi?
[12:15] <aDro> yes
[12:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, then it's too power hungry to be used directly and needs a hub. Though by the looks of it, if your hub reset when you posted that original log, it sounds like it's too much even for your hub.
[12:18] <aDro> http://pastebin.com/Qr5FjWGS
[12:18] <aDro> That's the hub with no mouse and keyboard
[12:18] <aDro> and the dongle plugged in
[12:18] <ShiftPlusOne> but it says the mouse is there...
[12:18] <ShiftPlusOne> and keyboard
[12:20] <Matt> morning
[12:20] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy here too
[12:21] <aDro> unplugged the hub, moved the dongle to where the mouse usually goes, plugged the hub back in
[12:21] <aDro> still thinks there is a keyboard and mouse
[12:21] <ShiftPlusOne> =/
[12:21] <aDro> Is it the hub?
[12:22] <ShiftPlusOne> probably a combination of the usb driver, the lan/usb hub chip that's on the pi and the hub you're using
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[12:24] <CCW> hi, anyone active here?
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[12:24] <ShiftPlusOne> In a room of 470 people, you'd think so.
[12:25] <CCW> yeah, but normally many users are in idle
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[12:25] <ShiftPlusOne> many are, some aren't
[12:25] * neilr waves from the sidelines
[12:25] <CCW> yep, like you :)
[12:26] <aDro> This is what I get when I plug in the Bluetooth dongle into the Hub, after I plugged the hub into the board.
[12:26] <aDro> http://pastebin.com/XY0J5sYY
[12:26] <CCW> ShiftPlusOne: do you know what is the meaning of the low green (LED) ACT?
[12:26] <aDro> The dongle reset the hub.
[12:26] <ShiftPlusOne> CCW, sd card read/write
[12:26] <aDro> And now there is a mouse and keyboard present.
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[12:27] <ShiftPlusOne> or do you mean that it's dimly lit?
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[12:27] <CCW> yes I meant that
[12:27] <CCW> I plugged in the SD card and somehow it doesnt flash
[12:27] <ShiftPlusOne> CCW, failing to load the firmware on the card. It either can't find it or it can't read the card.
[12:27] <neilr> CCW: last time I had that it was a bent connector on the SD card socket, meaning the contacts weren't so goof.
[12:27] <neilr> good
[12:27] <neilr> (cold fingers)
[12:28] <CCW> oh, I already ordered a new RPI
[12:28] <CCW> but the problem still occur
[12:28] <ShiftPlusOne> can't have too much pi
[12:28] <ShiftPlusOne> incompatible sd card then
[12:28] <CCW> ShiftPlusOne: you are right
[12:28] <CCW> ShiftPlusOne: it worked before
[12:28] <CCW> and I tried two different SD
[12:28] <CCW> both worked a few days ago
[12:28] <ShiftPlusOne> how are you writting the image?
[12:29] <ShiftPlusOne> have you tried re-flashing?
[12:29] <aDro> sudo apt-get update will make that led blink
[12:29] <CCW> with rpi builder
[12:29] <CCW> and the last step always failed
[12:29] <ShiftPlusOne> no idea wth that is
[12:29] <CCW> ShiftPlusOne: a tool to write image on SD
[12:29] <ShiftPlusOne> windows?
[12:29] <CCW> I'm too lazy to write all in console
[12:30] <CCW> no, I think mac only
[12:30] <ShiftPlusOne> I think that's the problem... you're not writting the disc image properly. Might be the software's fault, not yours.
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[12:31] <CCW> so maybe its better to format it, right?
[12:31] <ShiftPlusOne> should need to format. did you make sure it's not mounted before writting the disk image?
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[12:32] <CCW> of course, this step is the first step I made in the first time wrong :P
[12:33] <ShiftPlusOne> no idea then... I blame your mac.
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[12:33] <CCW> hehe, I guess so
[12:33] <CCW> I retry manually reformat it
[12:33] <CCW> thanks for trying to help
[12:34] <ShiftPlusOne> try with dd
[12:34] <CCW> yeah, Im doing it. using the tutorial on elinux.org
[12:35] <ShiftPlusOne> good =)
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[12:37] <neilr> For reference, after I broke my SD card holder, I soldered some ribbon cable to the contacts, and connected a micro-SD adaptor. It looks rubbish, but it works.
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[12:38] <CCW> does anybody know how long can the RPI run? Do I need to switch it off every week once?
[12:38] <dr_willis> A Franken-Pi!
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[12:39] <neilr> CCW: months, easily.
[12:39] <dr_willis> CCW ive had 6+ days uptime.. untill the grandkids unplugged it.
[12:39] <dr_willis> :) depends on the os i imagine mroe then the hardware
[12:39] <CCW> thanks neilr , dr_willis
[12:39] <neilr> neil@raspberrypi ~ $ uptime
[12:39] <neilr> 11:39:42 up 23 days, 22:56, 6 users, load average: 0.16, 0.10, 0.09
[12:39] <neilr> That's Raspbian
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[12:40] <neilr> My RISC OS one is longer, but there's no equivalent of 'uptime' that I know of.
[12:40] <aDro> I need to learn more bash commands
[12:40] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't had a pi power off or need restarting without a good reason.
[12:40] <CCW> thanks for the info. So it wont be a problem to run raspbian for the whole month
[12:40] <dr_willis> My load average is 1.67, 1.33, .78
[12:41] <CCW> aDro: bash can be very powerful
[12:41] <dr_willis> but just 4 days or so of uptime
[12:42] <Crenn-NAS> So another RPi related presentation done...
[12:42] <dr_willis> im not even sure what those load average numbers mean.
[12:42] <neilr> Ah! As if by magic:
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[12:42] <neilr> http://www.starfighter.acornarcade.com/mysite/utilities.htm
[12:42] <neilr> a RISC OS uptime
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[12:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Crenn-NAS, what are you presentationing exactly?
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[12:59] <LilSnoop4> hello
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[13:00] <LilSnoop4> i have a few questions please. i am new to the scene and i am trying to order everything i need to use a raspberry pi for xbmc.
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[13:00] <ShiftPlusOne> welcome
[13:01] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, not you! >=/
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[13:01] <steve_rox> agh i got ambushed
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[13:01] <SpeedEvil> LilSnoop4: don't forget the popcorn
[13:01] <steve_rox> aww :-(
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[13:01] <steve_rox> so im not welcome?
[13:01] <LilSnoop4> so i ordered this case: http://www.storenvy.com/products/404262-raspberry-pi-enclosure-kit and this wifi dongle: http://www.amazon.com/Edimax-EW-7811Un-Wireless-Adapter-Wizard/dp/B005CLMJLU/ now i just need to know what kind of sd card i need. SD or SDHC and what size and what kind of power supply i need some people said to get something called a 2A?
[13:01] <LilSnoop4> lol
[13:01] <ShiftPlusOne> You might be, but that was LilSnoop4's welcome... not yours!
[13:01] <steve_rox> :-(
[13:02] <cairne> the 2A is 2 amps
[13:02] <mjr> sd or sdhc both work, should preferrably be at least 2 gigs (the size of the official images) though more if you ... need more ;)
[13:03] <cairne> LilSnoop4: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals has a good list of working peripherals
[13:03] <mjr> note that class 10 isn't necessarily faster than class 4 or 6 in pi use, since class 10s are optimized for sequential large file access and pi does lots more random access
[13:03] <LilSnoop4> i am located in the us been trying to shop around on amazon and what not for the last part
[13:03] <LilSnoop4> k mjr
[13:03] <LilSnoop4> so i was thinking about a 8gb card
[13:04] <cairne> are you going to be running any files of sd card or just using it for the image?
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[13:05] <asaru> depending on how you setup xbmc, if you have a rediculous amount of media, it stores the fanart and such in your homedir
[13:05] <asaru> that may or may not make a difference for you
[13:06] <LilSnoop4> cairne not sure, i basically wanna use the raspberry for xbmc and the addons like navi-x and others
[13:06] <LilSnoop4> i currenlty have appletv's wanna try something new
[13:06] <asaru> do you run xbmc on them?
[13:06] <LilSnoop4> yes
[13:07] <asaru> look at how much space your .xbmc dir takes up
[13:07] <cairne> LilSnoop4: i mean 2-8 gigs would be fine, I use a 2 gig card and with the usb stick trick and a usb harddrive
[13:07] <asaru> add 2 gigs and base your sd card purchase on that
[13:07] <LilSnoop4> think its only 184mb at the most
[13:07] <asaru> not a lot of fanart then
[13:07] <asaru> you'll be fine with a 2 or 4 then probably
[13:08] <LilSnoop4> maybe grab the 8 to be safe
[13:08] <asaru> you can also change things in some of the xbmc distros so that it stores that info elsewhere
[13:08] <LilSnoop4> oh, ok
[13:08] <asaru> i use a 16gb card for my xbian setup
[13:08] <LilSnoop4> k, maybe i get the 16 then
[13:08] <LilSnoop4> what card are you using you have a link
[13:08] <asaru> it has a ton of space left, and i have an absurd amount of media for it to save fanart and info for
[13:08] <cairne> wow, so is your xbian setup a standalone?
[13:09] <asaru> yeah
[13:09] <asaru> media is on the network
[13:09] <asaru> but it stores the fanart and such on the sdcard
[13:09] <cairne> 16gb card just seems like over kill lol but i mean they are pretty cheap now
[13:09] <asaru> yes they are
[13:09] <asaru> hehe
[13:09] <asaru> i ran out of space with a 4gb card, and just jumped straight to 16
[13:10] <LilSnoop4> thats what i figured they aren't too expensive
[13:10] <cairne> lol i ran out as soon as i got my pi got a 16 gb threw arch on there and i was like, wow that was a waste lol
[13:10] <LilSnoop4> i just wanna use for viewing those addon's here and there
[13:10] <asaru> oh
[13:10] <asaru> if its not scraping media it doesnt need that much space
[13:11] <LilSnoop4> is this ok http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-Class-Memory-SDSDX-016G-X46/dp/B0037FLUYU/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1358424575&sr=1-1&keywords=Sandisk+16GB+45MB%2FS+SD+Extreme+Video+Memory+Card+class+4
[13:11] <asaru> much faster than the one i have
[13:12] <asaru> im sure it would be fine
[13:12] <asaru> there is a verified peripherals list, you may want to check that out
[13:12] <LilSnoop4> k
[13:12] <cairne> i've had bad luck with sanDisk
[13:12] <LilSnoop4> oh
[13:12] <LilSnoop4> hmmm
[13:12] <cairne> not with the pi, just in general
[13:12] <asaru> elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[13:13] <asaru> apparently they moved sdcards from the list and gave them their own wiki page
[13:13] <cairne> but then again i reflash new images to my sd cards weekly lol
[13:13] <asaru> yeah
[13:13] <asaru> well i would imagine a lot of people are swapping to sdcards
[13:13] <asaru> which cant be good in the long run lol
[13:14] <asaru> i wonder how much that really takes off of the life of the card
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[13:14] <cairne> well i've read that solid state drives are 10 years or like 10k writes or something like that and the tranistors inside start to wear out
[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> asaru, I am not sure that many people are swapping to sd on their rpis. The default raspbian swapiness is very low, so even if they have a swap partition, it's not going to be used unless they adjust the settings
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[13:16] <asaru> cairne: where were you getting the sandisk sd cards?
[13:16] <mjr> occasional swapping is probably fine, but if you start to do something actually memory heavy and constantly swap, that'd be bad
[13:16] <cairne> i didnt know the pi could actually utilize a swap drive
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[13:17] <asaru> cairne: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/05/20/one-third-of-the-sandisk-memory-cards-on-earth-are-counterfeit/
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[13:17] <cairne> asaru, if I don't care about the data, i'll get sanDisk from walmart
[13:17] <mjr> raspbian could have zram swap easily installable out of the box, if somebody's looking for a project ;P
[13:17] <asaru> its possible you just keep getting cheap knock-offs with sandisk labels
[13:17] <mjr> (it's essentially RAM compression)
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[13:18] <cairne> asaru, its possible, but thats why i don't take the risk with sanDisk, if its important like for work i'll use corsair
[13:19] <asaru> thats probably a good idea
[13:19] <cairne> mjr: that does sound interesting, i wonder how much performance you would get
[13:19] <ShiftPlusOne> because the pi has that much cpu power to spare =D
[13:20] <mjr> apparently somebody's pretty much scripted it already: https://plus.google.com/106687703965426882539/posts/iKRstTRJdwg
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[13:20] <cairne> for what it is, its neat tho. since i use it to mess around with arch or play around in python don't need to much power
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[13:23] <cairne> mjr: a good read, i may just have to try it out
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[13:26] <pecorade> Hi.
[13:26] <aDro> Good, now I have set up my router's USB to allow a flash drive
[13:26] <aDro> so files
[13:27] <aDro> for files
[13:27] <aDro> Or something
[13:27] <aDro> Useless really.
[13:27] <cairne> he pecorade
[13:27] <cairne> hi
[13:27] <jelly1> lol zram isn't needed for me
[13:27] <jelly1> i never swap
[13:28] <cairne> you never had to use swap on your desktop?
[13:28] <jelly1> no, only for hibernation
[13:28] <cairne> well i guess now a days swap isnt needed as much
[13:29] <jelly1> it's usefull on servers
[13:29] <cairne> yea, but now that desktops can have an insane amount of memory with 64 bit computing
[13:29] <cairne> i still do it out of habit :/
[13:30] <cairne> has anyone vnc'd into their pi? how is the performance?
[13:31] <jelly1> cairne: seen people use it, it works
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[13:32] <cairne> jelly1: is it laggy at all? i mean its not hard for me to just plug it into the tv as normal now, just trying to practice sysadmining and trying to create my own little server with multiple clients
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[13:33] <cairne> figured with the server box, desktop, vm's laptop and 2 pi's i could really create some good headaches for myself
[13:33] <jelly1> i don't know if it's laggy
[13:33] <jelly1> cairne: ssh into it
[13:34] <cairne> yea i do that now, just wanted to try with graphical
[13:34] <LilSnoop4> question about the wifi dongle i currently use WPA2 Personal security will that work or no?
[13:34] <jelly1> depends on the dongle :p
[13:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, but are you getting a hub as well?
[13:35] <cairne> make sure you have a powerful power adapter if you connect it directly, wifi dongles eat up power like crazy
[13:35] <pksato> Linux server (Unix) are managend over a text terminal (serial console, telnet, ssh, etc)
[13:35] <ShiftPlusOne> cairne, the power adapter won't make a difference, since the current is limited on the input.
[13:35] <Datalink> apparently I need to start marking when I sleep or log off IRC or something...
[13:36] <cairne> pksato: my centos box is text based but i wanted to be able to remote view into my pi
[13:36] <jelly1> serial console for the pi would b e awesome
[13:36] <jelly1> *be awesome
[13:36] <sheldor> mjr: interesting, buying space for time
[13:36] <cairne> ShiftPlusOne: if I don't run my wifi adapter through a powered hub my pi wont boot
[13:36] <Datalink> jelly1, there's an easy way to do that
[13:36] <sheldor> i like that
[13:36] <jelly1> Datalink: :o
[13:36] <sheldor> mjr: can i buy time for space as generically too?
[13:36] <jelly1> Datalink: you have my attention!
[13:36] <ShiftPlusOne> cairne, exactly, and no matter what power supply you use with the pi, it won't help.
[13:36] <pksato> but, VNC is a slow protocol, and more slow with X11.
[13:36] <Datalink> jelly1, http://adafruit.com/products/954
[13:37] <jelly1> pksato: it is, but acceptable over LAN
[13:37] <ShiftPlusOne> jelly1, stop noobing around, you know this already!
[13:37] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: lol
[13:37] <LilSnoop4> was gonna order this dongle: http://www.amazon.com/Edimax-EW-7811Un-Wireless-Adapter-Wizard/dp/B005CLMJLU/
[13:37] <sheldor> stop noobing around!!
[13:37] <ShiftPlusOne> jelly1, you're acting like you just noticed the gpio pins =D
[13:37] <LilSnoop4> is setting up the wifi hard?
[13:37] <cairne> ShiftPlusOne: oh I had read you could increase the amperage slightly and get it to work
[13:37] <pksato> yes, if need to monitor some remote screen.
[13:37] <cairne> glad i never tried
[13:37] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: wait this stuff has pins :o
[13:37] <sheldor> LilSnoop4: no
[13:37] <sheldor> LilSnoop4: easiest from startx though
[13:38] <jelly1> btw freeNX is nice
[13:38] <sheldor> LilSnoop4: as hard as in windows
[13:38] <ShiftPlusOne> cairne, up to a point, but when you get higher than 750mA (and I am guessing your supply can do 1A just fine), it doesn't make a difference since that when the polyfuse trips.
[13:38] <Datalink> ShiftPlusOne, say it right, he was acting like he didn't know, and I was telling him
[13:38] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: wait i can make this myself , why should i buy this :P
[13:38] <jelly1> ohwait i won't have the usb -> serial conversion chip
[13:39] <Datalink> jelly1, you have a 3v3 serial to USB chip?
[13:39] <cairne> <3 adafruit, so much money sunk into there lol
[13:39] <sheldor> ShiftPlusOne: whats the max i can pump through the rpi with the polyfuse shorted?
[13:39] <jelly1> Datalink: nah, but the rest i have
[13:39] <jelly1> ;)
[13:39] <sheldor> i mean what will the rpi withstand
[13:39] <jelly1> cool stuff imo
[13:39] <ShiftPlusOne> sheldor, I don't know. I've asked around but couldn't get an answer.
[13:39] <sheldor> before it burns
[13:39] <sheldor> 5A?
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[13:39] <sheldor> 50A?
[13:39] <jelly1> maybe I'll buy a case too
[13:39] <pksato> 750mA is ok, if PSU really deriver 3750mW.
[13:39] <ShiftPlusOne> probably less than 5A
[13:39] <sheldor> somebody should test it
[13:39] <sheldor> until it burns
[13:39] <sheldor> for science
[13:40] <cairne> god 50A would prolly fry it
[13:40] <ShiftPlusOne> I am guessing about 2A.... feel free to test. =)
[13:40] <Datalink> jelly1, ah, okay, well, it's 3v3, if you have a Max232 and a serial port on the centos box, then you should be okay
[13:40] <ShiftPlusOne> 50 would more than just 'fry'
[13:40] <Datalink> sheldor, I wouldn't run more than 1.5A with the traces on it
[13:40] <jelly1> Datalink: well actually i do have serial on this hp laptop docking station iirc :o
[13:40] <sheldor> Datalink: booo
[13:40] <LilSnoop4> Sheldor is startx another brand of wifi or os i'm sorry if that's a dumb question
[13:40] <cairne> I want a youtube video of someone doing that to a pi now
[13:40] <jelly1> startx is a command
[13:40] <cairne> startx is how you start the graphical enviroment
[13:40] <Datalink> jelly1, then you just have to look up max232 for 3v3 ttl logic... and build one, it takes a couple caps and resistors and a knowledge about ICs
[13:40] <jelly1> or xinit :p
[13:41] <LilSnoop4> ok, new to the raspberry pi
[13:41] <jelly1> Datalink: oh hmm effort
[13:41] <Datalink> jelly1, oh wah, effort
[13:41] <sheldor> LilSnoop4: its the desktop environment. the clikcy thing that looks like windows as compared to the black&white console
[13:41] <cairne> everywher I read that raspbian would boot to unix login first, however mine went right into lxde
[13:41] <jelly1> Datalink: :)
[13:41] <sheldor> LilSnoop4: you just click on access points that pop up in a list and enter your passphrase and click "ok"
[13:41] <Datalink> you'll learn something, be proud when you finish it, and have tons of reference (seriously, people've been doing the Max232 method for 30 years)
[13:42] <LilSnoop4> so my pc is a windows running windows 7 will it be hard for me to setup the wifi adapter when it comes. i thought the reviews from the people on that wifi dongle said no drivers need sets right up
[13:42] <jelly1> Datalink: :)
[13:42] <cairne> sheldor: do you have to install wlan first because mine didnt have wireless assistant out of box
[13:42] <jelly1> Datalink: yeah that's true ;)
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[13:42] <sheldor> cairne: oh sorry i am always assuming raspbian
[13:43] <Datalink> jelly1, hell, these days you can find drop-in solutions for 3v3 for serial or USB... Maxim sells a whole line of serial converters
[13:43] <Datalink> and has free samples :P
[13:43] <sheldor> LilSnoop4: this was raspbian specific. which distro are you using? heck which OS even
[13:43] <jelly1> Datalink: lol
[13:43] <cairne> sheldor: which did you use that had that built in from start? bodhi?
[13:44] <sheldor> cairne: sneezy
[13:44] <sheldor> i mean wheezy
[13:44] <cairne> sheldor: given distro's naming of codenames I actually would of though sneezy was legit lol
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[13:44] <sheldor> lol
[13:45] <LilSnoop4> sheldor - since i am new to the game and in the stage of ordering im hoping this is your answer. i was told to download this "raspbian_wheezy_20120816_xbmc" and i will install that on my sd card
[13:45] <cairne> have you tried bohdi? i love the way enlightment looks but its super slow for me
[13:45] <sheldor> LilSnoop4: sounds reasonable
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[13:45] <LilSnoop4> is that correct?
[13:46] <sheldor> cairne: havent heard of bohdi yet
[13:46] <Datalink> LilSnoop4, that's the media center oriented Rasbian, so good if you're looking for a settop style box
[13:46] <LilSnoop4> i am just getting the raspberry pi to install xbmc on it
[13:46] <sheldor> let me google it
[13:46] <jelly1> LilSnoop4: openelec
[13:46] <LilSnoop4> i just wanna use it for xbmc
[13:46] <Datalink> Rasbian XBMC or OpenElec are both XBMC oriented builds
[13:46] <jelly1> LilSnoop4: then install openelec..
[13:46] <sheldor> i got the stock raspbian and manually installed xbmc. and i didnt manage to get xbmc.bin below 50% cpu usage while idle yet. i tried everything the web had to offer
[13:47] <cairne> sheldor: http://www.bodhilinux.com/ i always manage to screw up the name
[13:47] <sheldor> it was at 100% constantly before
[13:47] <jelly1> sheldor: hmm looking at xbmc's gui?
[13:47] <sheldor> so i really recommend a dedicated good xbmc distro instead of doing your own thing
[13:47] <jelly1> i mean xbmc's cpu usage viewer?
[13:47] <sheldor> jelly1: no
[13:47] <sheldor> top
[13:47] <jelly1> ok
[13:47] <sheldor> jelly1: in the xbmc viewer i get 100% 24/7 lol
[13:47] <Datalink> the cool thing about the Pi is that it just takes an SD card to try a new OS.. I have 2 SD cards just for flashing new OSes on, then my main rasbian build
[13:47] <jelly1> yeah it's stupid :P
[13:47] <sheldor> it has too little dirty regions
[13:48] <cairne> lol yea mine is pegged at 100% using raspxmbc
[13:48] <sheldor> LilSnoop4: sorry i dont know which xbmc distros are good currently
[13:48] <sheldor> but i know raspbian comes with easy wifi setup
[13:48] * jelly1 didnt like raspxbmc
[13:48] <sheldor> so might give that iso a try
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[13:48] <LilSnoop4> so what is the preferred os openelec or raspbian_wheezy_20120816_xbmc and will the parts i order work on them both
[13:48] <cairne> jelly1: what didnt you like about raspxmbc
[13:48] <LilSnoop4> as far as sd card and wifi dongle
[13:48] <jelly1> cairne: openelec seems more stable
[13:48] <jelly1> and mature
[13:49] <Datalink> LilSnoop4, personal preference, and should so long as they're not too much power draw for the Pi
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[13:49] <cairne> jelly1: fair enough, i have not used it enough, but i will have to give openelec a try. still gives all addon functionalities?
[13:49] <sheldor> cairne: apparently others have 10-15% on the rpi easily
[13:49] <jelly1> raspbmc's settings addon is awful
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[13:49] <sheldor> so a good xbmc setup is key
[13:49] <sheldor> it is possible
[13:50] <sheldor> bohdi looks fun
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[13:50] <cairne> sheldor: yea I like it so far, i still need to do some power tweaks but its a nice change from arch(text) and standard lxde
[13:51] <sheldor> LilSnoop4: also before you order a wifi stick check the chipset and google "<chipset> linux driver"
[13:51] <sheldor> for exapmle i got a cheap $10 chinese whatever with some very common and widely supported realtek chipset
[13:51] <sheldor> works perfectly
[13:51] <sheldor> RT5something
[13:52] <cairne> sheldor: if you do install it though do it straight through dd, everyother setup i used boot didnt work right
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[13:52] <sheldor> thanks cairne
[13:52] <sheldor> k
[13:52] <sheldor> i need to order some sd cards
[13:52] <sheldor> to put stuff on them, like games for a console
[13:52] <cairne> i kept being lazy, was like ooh graphical installers. and then time after time i plug in my pi and just a green light
[13:53] <cairne> finally i was like screw it and broke out the terminal lol
[13:53] <Datalink> LilSnoop4, which wifi dongle are you going with?
[13:53] <sheldor> i got a tiny $10 wifi dongle that is hardly bigger than the usb plug itself
[13:53] <sheldor> and realtek is mostly a good bet on linux i understand
[13:54] <sheldor> but always google the specific chip
[13:54] <cairne> lol remember when wifi dongles were so huge they stood out like 4 inches from the comp
[13:54] <sheldor> the manufacturer is mostly irrelevant afaik
[13:54] <sheldor> only chipset matters
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[13:54] * Datalink likes the adafruit one he has.
[13:54] <LilSnoop4> sheldor i seems to have a linux driver http://www.edimax.com/en/support_detail.php?pd_id=347&pl1_id=&pl2_id=
[13:55] <sheldor> LilSnoop4: good
[13:55] <LilSnoop4> this is it datalink: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005CLMJLU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
[13:55] <Datalink> LilSnoop4, that one has pretty good support actually
[13:55] <cairne> when in doubt check adafruit and it is US based I believe
[13:55] <Datalink> yeah that'll work fine, any of the Linux distros you'll use for XBMC will support this
[13:56] <sheldor> cairne: yeah tech progress is pretty amazing
[13:56] <sheldor> i also still have a huge cisco usb dongle
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[13:56] <Datalink> RISC OS (not a Linux distro) also supports it, I don't think I could get it workingn with my Plan 9 SD card...
[13:56] <sheldor> its the size of a flashlight
[13:56] <cairne> haha is it the one with the antenna?
[13:57] <sheldor> lol
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[13:57] <sheldor> no but i got such one too
[13:57] <sheldor> i mean today wifi dongles come with extra casings just so you can actually plug them in and pull them out
[13:58] <sheldor> they would easily fit on the mere usb connector thing
[13:58] <sheldor> and soon they will be the size of a grain
[13:58] <cairne> i could never get myself to throw out anything cisco branded, i still have a few old 4 port switches
[13:58] <sheldor> and less than $1
[13:58] <sheldor> and they will be everywhere
[13:58] <sheldor> implanted in all things
[13:58] <sheldor> and then one day the entire world will be transparent
[13:58] <cairne> can't wait for the day when I can be my own wireless router
[13:58] <sheldor> 100%
[13:58] <sheldor> lol
[13:59] <cairne> MITM attacks would be so interesting then
[13:59] <sheldor> cairne: whats actually weird, the cisco usb dongle was the worst i ever had
[13:59] <LilSnoop4> anyone know the best/cheapest place to get the raspberry board
[13:59] <LilSnoop4> this is what i will be ordering now:
[13:59] <LilSnoop4> wifi dongle: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005CLMJLU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
[13:59] <LilSnoop4> sdcard: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0037FLUYU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A22D4OS15PHL3K
[13:59] <LilSnoop4> case: http://www.storenvy.com/products/404262-raspberry-pi-enclosure-kit
[13:59] <LilSnoop4> just need the board and power supply people said get the 2A one but need a link to the good one please, do all these parts look ok for either os install?
[13:59] <LilSnoop4> thanks
[13:59] <sheldor> large, bad signal strength, bad receptoin, got hot
[13:59] <sheldor> really weird
[13:59] <cairne> sheldor: wow really, i've always had good luck with them
[13:59] <sheldor> i deliberately paid an extra buck to get a quality dongle
[14:00] <sheldor> then turned out it was crap
[14:00] <sheldor> but yeah otherwise no problems with cisco
[14:01] <cairne> LilSnoop4: that is a nice case, the hardware looks good, no guarntees on anything though unless its been proven you'd have to do some reaserch on those verified units we gave you earlier. if it all checks out no problems
[14:02] <sheldor> good sd card, decent case
[14:02] <cairne> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[14:02] <sheldor> good wifi dongle
[14:02] <sheldor> good job LilSnoop4
[14:02] <LilSnoop4> i looked cairne
[14:02] <LilSnoop4> just wanted to make sure before i order
[14:02] <Datalink> LilSnoop4, you'll be fine, as for the pi itself, Farnel/Newark, RS and Allied Semiconductor, raspberrypi.org has links to them
[14:02] <cairne> oh yea then it will be good
[14:03] <sheldor> arent RS and farnel the only ones who sell the rpi anyway?
[14:03] <cairne> i got my pi from allied faster then farnel even though I ordered farnel first
[14:03] <sheldor> so wont get a better price anywhere else
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[14:03] <Datalink> sheldor, there are resellers, my next pi'd be from SparkFun or Adafruit if they get morestock
[14:03] <sheldor> unless they got some mass contracts with RS or farnel
[14:04] <cairne> are they still having issues with making them?
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[14:05] <cairne> Allied Electronics customer service was very good, and they have a location in washington so it was kinda a little jab at microsoft buying it there lol
[14:05] <sheldor> Datalink: but they all got theirs from rs / farnel right?
[14:06] <nid0> sheldor: yes
[14:06] <LilSnoop4> you have a link for that cairne
[14:06] <cairne> http://www.alliedelec.com/lp/120626raso/
[14:07] <Datalink> sheldor, yeah, but I prefer to get components together, my order from Adafruit was here in days, my pi took a week to ship
[14:07] <LilSnoop4> great thanks so besides those parts i listed above i just need the power plug now... do i need any cables or anything
[14:07] <cairne> hdmi or video cable to connect to tv
[14:08] <cairne> keyboard, mouse, unless you plan to just ssh into it
[14:08] <sheldor> yeah makes sense Datalink
[14:08] <LilSnoop4> have that ssh is good i think
[14:08] <LilSnoop4> so what kind of power plug you guys suggest please. sorry for all these questions. i appreciate the help
[14:08] <Datalink> sheldor, plus I'd rather work with a company that targets my kind of consumer, RS and Farnel both target engineers
[14:09] <cairne> LilSnoop4: I use my old atrix 4g charger and that works fine. I believe most android cell phone chargers with micro usb work
[14:09] <sheldor> same here
[14:09] <Datalink> LilSnoop4, genuine apple USB chargers are good, so long as they're the type with plugs, you can power a pi from USB connections on TVs or computers but I'd avoid peripherals when doing that, wifi is probably max possible, I use a Belkin 2 plug charger for mine though I think right now it's plugged into my dev laptop
[14:10] <sheldor> but get a powered usb hub from the known good list if you want to power more stuff like usb hdd
[14:10] <cairne> Datalink: you mean you don't want to buy a 1000 servo motors lol
[14:10] <Datalink> cairne, not right now, no
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[14:11] <cairne> i didnt believe at first that the tv could power it but amazingly it does just fine, and when you power the tv off it powers the pi off which is a bonus
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[14:12] <LilSnoop4> ok, so i didn't have any plans to plug in any hard drives at this time so just as long as i plug the wifi in the the raspberry i won't need a hub?
[14:12] <cairne> LilSnoop4: most places you can buy the pi from also sell chargers for it
[14:12] <sheldor> LilSnoop4: correct
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[14:13] <sheldor> cairne: but wouldnt that corrupt your filesystem eventually?
[14:13] <sheldor> just pulling the plug on linux
[14:13] <LilSnoop4> cairne so that one from allied is ok the plug
[14:14] <LilSnoop4> http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?SKU=70232557
[14:14] <cairne> sheldor: from what I understood and from my experience my pi doesn't shut down via the command even if I do select it from lxde. in their guide they released it says to just unplug it :/
[14:15] <LilSnoop4> think i need one of these and im good right http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70240887
[14:15] <cairne> LilSnoop4,
[14:15] <cairne> LilSnoop4: yes that will work
[14:15] <sheldor> cairne: oh, i always do sudo poweroff
[14:15] <sheldor> or sudo shutdown -h now
[14:15] <Datalink> cairne, that's because the pi does not have power control circuitry, you should shut off the OS but then you do have to remove power manually
[14:15] <sheldor> and it does quite some things until it powers off
[14:16] <cairne> sheldor: never thought of doing that. forgot about the shutdown command via cli
[14:16] <Datalink> I've powered my Pi from a TV before, though my attempt to have it turn off said TV as last stage of power cycle didn't work so well
[14:17] <cairne> Datalink: since its sold state though and instantly is saving stuff would the filesystem become currupted like it does with spinning disks?
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> cairne, do not make that mistake....
[14:18] <sheldor> cairne: it can buffer to ram afaik
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> just because they're not going round doesn't mean there isn't stuff in RAM that's not in the storage...
[14:18] <Datalink> cairne, if you cut power half way through a write, you miss half the data that was being written, just because it writes solid state doesn't mean it finishes the write magically without power
[14:18] <LilSnoop4> great thanks for you help guys greatly appreciate it. can't wait to get ordering those last parts now!
[14:19] <Datalink> LilSnoop4, enjoy your Pi, and I hope you're gonna explore it too :D
[14:19] <cairne> gordonDrogon: that is true. so then theoritically if its idle it wont hurt, but i'll remember to shutdown correctly
[14:19] <pksato> http://www.raspberrypiblog.com/2012/10/how-to-setup-remote-desktop-from.html
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> cairne, for some value of idle... there are always thing going on in the background - system logs being written, etc.
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[14:19] <cairne> LilSnoop4: remember to have fun with it, and if this is your first run at linux then you will soon find yourself hating your windows box
[14:20] <Datalink> cairne, that really depends on the person
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> saying that, you should "get away" with it most of the time if the system is idle.
[14:20] <cairne> gordonDrogon: do you remember the comman to show you whats running via active invisible terminal?
[14:20] <Datalink> but getting away with it is not a good practice
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> I pull the plug on my Pi's from time to time and occasionally I have to power cycle a remote server, ...
[14:20] <Datalink> cairne, there's ps pgrep and top
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> ;s a
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> ps ax will show you most.
[14:21] <LilSnoop4> damn allied doesn't have the board
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[14:21] <LilSnoop4> is there another good site for it in the us
[14:21] <cairne> i remember reading there is like a terminal window always open behind x11 that there is a keyboard shortcut that brings it up
[14:21] <Datalink> LilSnoop4, try Allied or Element 14 (Farnel's US site)
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> cairne, oh, Shift+Alt+F1
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> or maybe Ctrl+Alt+F1
[14:22] <Datalink> cairne, ctrl+alt+F1 through ctrl+alt+f6 bring up ttys
[14:22] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, ctrl-alt, not shift
[14:22] <Datalink> some window managers you do need ctrl+alt+shift but not the one the Pi uses
[14:23] <LilSnoop4> damn they are out too
[14:23] <LilSnoop4> amazon has them but for $58
[14:23] <Datalink> LilSnoop4, try, RS components, then Adafruit and sparkfun
[14:23] <Datalink> don't amazon or e-bay, those are scalpers
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[14:24] <LilSnoop4> ok
[14:24] <Datalink> http://adafruit.com/products/998 woo, in stock
[14:24] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, seems to be a rule of thumb, when I'm broke, they come in stock...
[14:25] <LilSnoop4> do they have the power plug there
[14:25] <Datalink> LilSnoop4, they have a whole section for working with the Pi, left side, Rasberry Pi
[14:25] <cairne> haha sorry back, lmao I compleltly forgot how to get back
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[14:25] <Datalink> or out one bredcrumb
[14:25] <cairne> but thank you gordon and datalink that was exactly what I was looking for
[14:25] <Datalink> cairne, ctrl+alt+F7
[14:26] <Datalink> when in doubt, try F keys to switch screens... it'll be somewhere on them :P
[14:26] <LilSnoop4> thx
[14:26] <cairne> thats what i did ><
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> once in text console, it's just alt+fX to switch consoles - 1-4 are normally enabled, 7 is usually X
[14:26] <cairne> i was like well f1 got me here, one of them has to get me back
[14:26] <Datalink> 1-6 on the Pi, gordonDrogon
[14:26] <Datalink> in rasbian
[14:26] <LilSnoop4> data but if i have the apple square and the usb to micro i am good with that power?
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> I change mine.
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> I only have 1-2.
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[14:27] <cairne> yes LilSnoop4:
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> save a few KB of my precious RAM...
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[14:28] <cairne> gordonDrogon: so i know this is a bit off topic of pi's but when I do ctrl alt f1 that bring me to the real terminal and things like lx are just emulators for that ?
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[14:29] <Datalink> cairne, they're all terminal emulators, F1 is where most log messages are directed to, and is TTY1, they're spawned by sgetty or a related program, serial console's even an sgetty
[14:29] <LilSnoop4> great!
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[14:29] <Datalink> cairne, they're just 'real mode' emulators in that they're local to system
[14:29] <Datalink> you can actually set up a Linux system to be completely headless if you wanted, but it would be... kinda silly... as each getty only takes up a few K of RAM idle...
[14:30] <cairne> Datalink: ahh thanks. I really need to read more up on my cli. partially why i was so excited to use arch on my pi, no graphics lol
[14:30] <Datalink> sgetty, login are run, both have small footprint
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[14:30] <Datalink> I've used headless servers for years
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[14:31] <Datalink> I use my desktop with X11 for dev on my ubuntu dev machine now, that machine's sitting next to my firesafe against the wall
[14:31] <Datalink> laptop, cool location, etc.
[14:31] <cairne> haha nice
[14:31] <cairne> you have the sputnick?
[14:32] <Datalink> sputnick?
[14:32] <Datalink> I use XMing, the windows X11 server
[14:33] <Datalink> it just annoys me XMing has a pay fork
[14:33] <cairne> oh you said ubuntu dev machine, thought you might of meant the dell sputnick
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[14:34] <cairne> http://content.dell.com/us/en/gen/d/campaigns/xps-linux-laptop
[14:34] <Datalink> no this is an old 15" Satelite I used for a daily driver at one time
[14:34] <Datalink> believe it or not, it is possible to put other OSes on things
[14:35] <Datalink> shoulda seen my dad the first time I set up my old Pentium to boot MacOS 8
[14:35] <cairne> haha yea, i was just hoping to hear from someone who acutally had one of those dell machines
[14:35] <cairne> you have the a55 satellite?
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[14:35] <Datalink> I am poor, I tend to have a couple year old models at best... college student >.<
[14:36] <Datalink> college student without family support, at that
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[14:36] <Datalink> oh wait the Toshiba's satelite... I forget what the Dell is... aside from 'starting to hit 5 years old'
[14:36] <cairne> i hear that, im on like an 8 year old toshiba sattelite now, with lubuntu
[14:37] <cairne> without linux this laptop would be dead, it was crash like crazy with xp
[14:38] <cairne> grats on getting some thing to boot with MacOs, I know that can be tricky now, not sure about the older versions
[14:39] <Datalink> it was an emulator
[14:39] <cairne> ahh
[14:39] <Datalink> since anything before OSX 10.3 was meant for PPC or Motorola ach
[14:39] <Datalink> arch*
[14:39] <LilSnoop4> thanks again guys i ordered everything CAN'T wait!
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[14:40] <cairne> thats what I thought, knew a few people that made hackintosh's and it was a pain selecting, mobo, graphics, and sound
[14:40] <Datalink> LilSnoop4, heh, they're good computers, again, I do hope you explore yours :D
[14:40] <cairne> LilSnoop4: no problem enjoy! be sure to come back when you get it all set up
[14:40] <cairne> datalink: you studying programming at college?
[14:41] <Datalink> cairne, I'm an engineering student, electrical and mechanical, programming's a flooded market
[14:43] <cairne> datalink: servo's microPLC's ssr's and such? i'm an industrial mechanic
[14:44] <Datalink> I'm already trained in the basics of PLCs, my EE degree piddled out, due to college politics (too few people in the range of my branch campus) so I'm going into mechanical engineering
[14:45] <cairne> mechanical isn't bad either
[14:45] <cairne> however as a mechanic I am obligated to hate you engineer types :p
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[14:47] <Datalink> cairne, what's the issue you usually have, I'll try to avoid being one of 'those' types when I get my degree
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[14:50] <cairne> i'm just kidding, i work great with all my engineer's.
[14:51] <cairne> just be open to suggestions and every mechanic will love working with you
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[14:53] <cairne> Datalink: well i'm gonna go pass out, nice talking with you
[14:53] <Datalink> sleep well
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[15:46] <Oejet> Hi, I can crash (with file system corruption) the Pi reliably by secure copying (scp) a large file. Transfer speed is around memory card write speed (~4MB/s), and CPU usage for sshd is ~90% in top. With a random delay during transfer it dies.
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[15:47] <Oejet> Has anyone else experienced something like this? It's with an uptodate (and upgraded) Raspian Wheezy image.
[15:48] <nid0> are you overclocking?
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[15:57] <Oejet> nid0: No.
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[16:05] <aDro> Someone sent me this
[16:05] <aDro> I thought it was neat: http://rastrack.co.uk/index.php
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[16:09] <steve_rox> rage-split :-P
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[16:31] <herdingcat> hi all, I wanna build openmpi-1.6.3 for rpi pi and here's the output by using my own cross-toolchain: http://fpaste.org/Sg2J/ Can anyone tell me how to fix that? Thanks.
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[16:36] <Davespice> hey folks, what package do you need to have for xarchiver to be able to compress to zip?
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[16:36] <Davespice> its not available as a choice for archive type
[16:38] <herdingcat> Davespice, you mean compress files to a zip package?
[16:39] <Davespice> yeah, its okay I think the package is just called "zip" and "unzip" funnily enough :)
[16:40] <herdingcat> Davespice, yes, zip
[16:40] <Davespice> silly me :)
[16:41] <herdingcat> Davespice, nope :)
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[16:59] <Davespice> ah there we go
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[17:02] <herdingcat> any cross-compile expert here?
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[17:03] <herdingcat> http://fpaste.org/Sg2J/
[17:03] <arcanescu> my raspberry pi is not showing any audioplayback device any reason for this? how do i check audio out is okay?
[17:05] <Torikun> Yo
[17:05] <a930913> arcanescu: Download and play a sound clip.
[17:05] <arcanescu> a930913: i did it says no palyback avaiable
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[17:06] <a930913> Can the +5v provide enough power for a small motor?
[17:06] <a930913> arcanescu: 3.5 jack or hdmi?
[17:07] <arcanescu> a930913: snd-bcm2835 does now show up on lsmod
[17:08] <a930913> arcanescu: You've done "sudo modprobe snd-bcm2835"?
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[17:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> a930913 probably not
[17:11] <arcanescu> i did
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[17:12] <arcanescu> a930913: im just installing a util as soon as that ends ill do it again ... let me paste its output of modprobe
[17:12] <arcanescu> ERROR: could not insert 'snd_bcm2835': Invalid argument
[17:13] <ne2k> arcanescu: what OS and which version are you using?
[17:14] <Weaselweb> check dmesg output
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[17:16] <arcanescu> dmesg: [ 26.026380] bcm2835-cpufreq: switching to governor ondemand
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[17:16] <arcanescu> its got nothing to do with it
[17:16] <arcanescu> im sure
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[17:16] <pecorade> Hi.
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[17:17] <arcanescu> ne2k kernel 3.2.27+
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[17:46] <aDro> Raspberry Pi
[17:46] <IT_Sean> ?
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[17:47] <aDro> I love it
[17:47] <Torikun> me to
[17:47] <aDro> Rolls off the tongue
[17:47] <aDro> I have said it maybe 36 times a day minimum
[17:47] <aDro> I read it over 1,000
[17:48] <Torikun> =)
[17:48] <aDro> Ironically I dislike Pie.
[17:48] <Torikun> i got a blueberry case for my raspberry pi
[17:48] <Torikun> lol
[17:49] <megaproxy> we use pi's in the office a lot
[17:49] <megaproxy> they are mucho usefull
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[17:49] <aDro> I just plugged in an old camera, seeing if I can get it to work
[17:50] <Jayface> mine overheats all the time
[17:50] <Jayface> in a case
[17:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Jayface, get it replaced
[17:50] <IT_Sean> ^
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[17:50] <aDro> I use the Red one I got from Newark
[17:51] * jprvita|afk is now known as jprvita
[17:51] <aDro> It works well for access, and keeps dust off... a bit.
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[17:52] <aDro> keeps it off the floor.
[17:54] <Jayface> you think they will replace it?
[17:55] <IT_Sean> Should do, if it's not working properly
[17:55] <megaproxy> my case is ductape
[17:55] <megaproxy> dealwithit.jpg
[17:56] <Jayface> alright im on it
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[17:58] <aDro> He dealt with it
[17:59] <megaproxy> h edid
[18:00] <megaproxy> so
[18:00] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/7RpTY.png
[18:00] <megaproxy> this is my old draft of a 2u case
[18:00] <Torikun> check out alsi for arch on your PI, it rules
[18:00] <megaproxy> i think im going to start over, and make it modular
[18:01] <megaproxy> so you can clip in a new pi real easy
[18:01] <megaproxy> then snap the connections on
[18:01] <aDro> That is awesome
[18:01] * aDro claps
[18:01] <aDro> I want to see that in reality
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[18:02] <aDro> http://i.imgur.com/IVCC9.jpg
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[18:08] <megaproxy> aDro, ill try do some more on it over the weekend
[18:08] <megaproxy> i have lots of 2u cases to play with :D
[18:08] <megaproxy> but fabrication is not my thing..
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[18:12] <f3bruary> anyone here got a raspberry pi with byobu running ?
[18:12] <f3bruary> cant get it to run as regular user, only root
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[18:12] <f3bruary> getting /usr/bin/byobu-screen: 50: .: Can't open /home/pi/byobu/lib/byobu/include/common
[18:13] <f3bruary> but with sudo it works
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[18:20] <Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com/?q=node/11 <--Two Pi cluster mounted on wall
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[18:22] <coldsoup> f3bruary, is sudo creating a lock on the file? When I try to run byobu on my desktop with sudo it gives me a warning that I should use sudo -H, which would change home dir behavior
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[18:22] <megaproxy> Armand, iz 'er
[18:23] <Armand> O_O
[18:23] * megaproxy plans to work on case a bit tonight
[18:23] <megaproxy> going to try draw up a modular system
[18:23] <Armand> I R has been for hours.. :P
[18:23] <Armand> Oh yeah?
[18:23] <megaproxy> mmm
[18:23] <megaproxy> i want it to clip in like ram
[18:23] <megaproxy> i think it was you who suggested that..
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[18:23] <Armand> ^_^
[18:23] <Armand> was..
[18:23] <megaproxy> on the arms that clip
[18:23] <afo0l> hey, i use my raspberry with xbmc and so far i'm impressed, a divx 5 avi i want to watch however keeps stopping and i have to skip ahead to make playback continue
[18:23] <megaproxy> i wana put the connectors
[18:23] <megaproxy> so it all snaps in, real easy
[18:24] <afo0l> googling didnt help, did anyone experience similar behaviour or is my video corrupted?
[18:24] <Armand> You only need power and network, right, megaproxy ?
[18:24] <megaproxy> could be the encoding
[18:24] <megaproxy> Armand, p much yea
[18:24] <megaproxy> so should be real easy
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[18:25] <coldsoup> f3bruary, fuser should be able to check if sudo is locking that file
[18:25] * Armand lols @ dogfarts
[18:26] <Armand> megaproxy, if we could attach the cables to the clips somehow.. so they slot into place as the clips swing in?
[18:26] <megaproxy> thats the plan.
[18:27] <megaproxy> making it in sketchup should be easy
[18:27] <megaproxy> making it irl... maybe not so easy
[18:27] <Armand> I'll leave the sketchup to you.. :P
[18:27] <megaproxy> also need to consider air flow..
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[18:27] <megaproxy> having them stand up like in the pic will block most of the air
[18:27] <Armand> cross flow.
[18:28] <megaproxy> air can only come in the front
[18:28] <Armand> How much headroom do you have inside the case?
[18:28] <megaproxy> not too mcuh
[18:28] <Armand> feck..
[18:29] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/7RpTY.png
[18:29] <megaproxy> the pic there is to scale
[18:29] <megaproxy> mostly :P
[18:29] <megaproxy> looks about 2/3cm
[18:29] <Torikun> wow
[18:29] <Torikun> you have that many megaproxy?
[18:29] <megaproxy> Torikun, this is why im interested in your cluster :P
[18:29] <megaproxy> not yet
[18:29] <Armand> Is the width accurate ? Looks like you've got a fair gap down the side.
[18:29] <megaproxy> i currently own about 6 pi's
[18:29] <Torikun> lol
[18:29] <Torikun> wow
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[18:29] <Torikun> my third one comes in Friday
[18:29] <megaproxy> Armand, yea. The spacing is to be desired
[18:29] <Torikun> another node for drupal
[18:29] <Torikun> lol
[18:29] <megaproxy> i think i might mount them at a angle?
[18:30] <megaproxy> like instead of = = =
[18:30] <megaproxy> have em like \ \ \ \
[18:30] <Armand> It R mad planning...
[18:30] <Torikun> Your cluster looks cooler tham mine mounted on teh wall lol
[18:30] <megaproxy> Torikun, when the design is done, all plans etc are OS
[18:30] <megaproxy> is the plan
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[18:30] <megaproxy> so you could make your own 2u case :D
[18:30] <Torikun> klol
[18:30] <megaproxy> this *should* be datacenter ready too
[18:30] <Armand> I think angling them will reduce the overall capacity ?
[18:30] <megaproxy> power would be the only issue
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[18:31] <Torikun> how woudl you power each pu
[18:31] <Torikun> *pi
[18:31] <Armand> We said about 60 Pi, right ?
[18:31] <Torikun> looks like your making a pi equivelant of a blade server megaproxy
[18:31] <megaproxy> p much :D
[18:31] <megaproxy> the power is going to be crazy
[18:32] <megaproxy> you get about 13 amps per rack
[18:32] <megaproxy> a rack has 45 u
[18:32] <megaproxy> one of these 2u cases will probs draw more than 13 amps
[18:32] <megaproxy> its in no way efficient :D
[18:32] <Armand> If we guess at 500mA draw, we could say about 40A draw for the whole unit (and a little wiggle room)
[18:33] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/qgfSG.jpg
[18:33] <megaproxy> ^45u rack i set up
[18:33] <megaproxy> not full yet tho..
[18:33] <Torikun> what will you use this c luster for
[18:33] <megaproxy> nooooo idea
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[18:33] <megaproxy> if not a cluster, i could use the case to colocate peoples pi's
[18:33] <Torikun> You should have an idea before you waste time and moeny lol
[18:33] <Torikun> lol
[18:33] <megaproxy> so they have their pi on a crazy fast network
[18:33] <megaproxy> with 2n+n power
[18:33] <megaproxy> :D
[18:33] <Torikun> nice
[18:33] <megaproxy> in a bomb proof building..
[18:34] <Armand> My dad's shed?
[18:34] <megaproxy> i wont be throwing money on the case, i have lots of them laying around
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[18:34] <Armand> Hardly bomb-proof, but... ok.
[18:34] <megaproxy> haha
[18:34] <Armand> ^_^
[18:34] <megaproxy> he has redundent power?
[18:34] <Armand> He has a redundant son.... ?_?
[18:34] <megaproxy> lolol
[18:34] <Armand> :P
[18:34] <megaproxy> burn :(
[18:34] <megaproxy> send your cv!
[18:35] <Armand> Ahh, poop.. Yes..
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[18:38] <megaproxy> https://twitter.com/Sysadm_Borat/status/28704823060738867
[18:38] <megaproxy> hahah
[18:38] <megaproxy> best twitter ever
[18:39] <Armand> Sorry, that page doesn?t exist!
[18:39] <Armand> Thanks for noticing?we're going to fix it up and have things back to normal soon.
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[18:44] <aDro> What is a good webcam application for Rpi?
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[18:55] <aDro> Sweet, I got the webcam working
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[18:59] <rikkib> motion
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[19:00] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
[19:00] <Torikun> SFW?
[19:01] <IT_Sean> It had better be.
[19:01] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[19:02] <rikkib> Early to bed early to rise. Fri Jan 18 07:01:56 NZDT 2013
[19:02] * aDro gives channel operator status to IT_Sean
[19:02] <IT_Sean> ...
[19:02] <aDro> I have the power
[19:02] <IT_Sean> No. you do not.
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[19:02] <rikkib> lol
[19:02] <rikkib> Humor so early in the morning
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[19:04] <rikkib> aDro, What are you using to make your web cam go?
[19:07] <aDro> fswebcam
[19:08] <aDro> But I want to check them all out
[19:08] <aDro> It's all new to me, but this one seems small
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[19:10] <afo0l> does anyone know where i can specify command line options for omxplayer in xbmc?
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[19:11] <afo0l> i figured my avi plays fine when calling omxplayer from command line, not when opening through xbmc though
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[19:12] <aDro> Try Cntrl+Alt+Fn1
[19:13] <aDro> SSH might be best.
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[19:13] <afo0l> i know how to open a command line, i use it already
[19:13] <afo0l> i want to change the omxplayer command xbmc uses
[19:13] <aDro> Oh
[19:13] <afo0l> or rather its options
[19:14] <aDro> No idea, I would go hunting
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[19:15] <afo0l> :) on it
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[19:21] <AndrevS> afo0l, does your GPU have enough RAM? I have experienced this behavious when the GPU didn't have enough RAM, as the XBMC GUI uses some GPU RAM as well.
[19:22] <enthusi> Hi
[19:22] <enthusi> is there an suggested amount of RAM for different codecs?
[19:23] <|Jeroen|> thay say 128 is eunogh
[19:23] <AndrevS> Anyhow, this would still be an interesting question, as running a custom command can be usefull since the hardware decoder cannot decode certain formats (say DIVX 3) and try to play them software based.
[19:24] <AndrevS> 128 MB should be enough. I think 100 will run fine as well.
[19:24] <enthusi> well the question is how little is enough :)
[19:24] * Armand has never seen a 100MB gfx card. :P
[19:24] <AndrevS> :P
[19:24] <|Jeroen|> do a trial and error, and let us know
[19:24] <AndrevS> That's shared memory :P :P
[19:24] <afo0l> AndrevS: i use 256
[19:25] <|Jeroen|> wel its not just a gfx card, its also a decoder
[19:25] <AndrevS> 256 is all the memory my pi has....
[19:25] <enthusi> I guess this will heavily depend on the content
[19:25] <AndrevS> revision 1.
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[19:25] <Armand> AndrevS, I know what you meant... I've seen a BIOS that allows you to set a specified amount, rather than 64,128, whatever.
[19:25] <seba-> can you encode with the chip?
[19:25] <seba-> video
[19:25] <seba-> does FFMPEG support that?
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[19:26] <|Jeroen|> it can encode
[19:26] <AndrevS> The hardware can encode, but I am not aware of an implementation in ffmpeg to use that feature.
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[19:28] <AndrevS> Besides, from what I've read, the libraries provided by Broadcom don't seem to follow the OpenMAX specifications, and so if some implementation exists, it will require Raspberry Pi/Broadcom specific patches. (At least, that's what a thread on the VLC forums is about)
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[19:30] <seba-> ok
[19:31] <seba-> AndrevS, |Jeroen|, anything on that, i mean is there any software which uses that
[19:31] <seba-> i'm intersted in encoding webcam in real time
[19:31] <seba-> in HD
[19:31] <|Jeroen|> no idea, but there has been some discussion about that here a while ago
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[19:32] <AndrevS> I'm not aware of any someware which does so.
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[19:33] <seba-> oh
[19:33] <seba-> that sux
[19:34] <seba-> AndrevS, |Jeroen|, what about that camera which is supposed to be for r.pi? wouldn't that include RT encoding?
[19:34] <IT_Sean> That camera is not out yet.
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[19:43] <swart> is there a faster interface on rpi than USB? can GPIO do better?
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> faster in what sense
[19:44] <aDro> That camera have a price range?
[19:46] <swart> data transfer rate I suppose
[19:46] <mjr> csi/dsi could in theory be pretty fast but you're not going to get at them as they're gpu property
[19:47] <swart> istr the wiki article I was reading about opencv claimed the frame rate was limited by the usb bus
[19:47] <swart> maybe it's not possible to go faster and 3-4 fps with current hardware
[19:48] <swart> ^faster than
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[19:48] <mjr> if a camera is what you want the csi camera that will presumably be sold at some point can possibly get a faster frame rate
[19:49] <mjr> but some point is not now
[19:49] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/ about 1fps
[19:49] <rikkib> 320x240
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[19:50] <Neqoxec> Trying to run xbmc on arch linux arm, it's not finding shared libraries on /opt/vc/lib, even though they are found with ldconfig -v. Should I link the libraries to /lib?
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[19:50] <rikkib> But the RPi has stability issues with new kernel last time I checked meaning I run an old kernel with soft float
[19:51] <pksato> What frame rate? And resolution?
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[19:51] <rikkib> and can't take advantage of the extra mem of the rev 2
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[19:52] <Wolfram74> Does anyone know where magpi issue 9 is?
[19:52] <rikkib> 1fps 320x240
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[19:53] <double-you> I have exactly the same problem like: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12769476/how-to-make-a-sh-file-execute-in-the-terminal-on-debian-through-the-gui .. is there any solution?
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[19:53] <pksato> macro photo http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3068
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[20:12] <Perkele> i'm transfering a file to my pi via wifi and it's not even going at 400kb/s
[20:12] <Perkele> that's not normal, is it?
[20:13] <Perkele> oh wait, maybe xbmc is updating the library
[20:13] <Datalink-M> Depends on file location, noise, bandwidth, even a few other factors
[20:15] <DexterLB> I got the stock archlinux image, and several graphics-related programs (xbmc etc) require libbcm_host.so, which is nowhere to be found; Is it in some package?
[20:16] <Perkele> no xbmc isn't doing anything, at least as far as i can tell
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[20:18] <DexterLB> edit: it's in /opt/vc/lib
[20:19] <pksato> Arch guys dont make good job porting Arch to raspberry pi. :)
[20:20] <Torikun> lol
[20:20] <Torikun> Arch FTW
[20:22] <aDro> I guess I lied when I said I got my camera working
[20:22] <Torikun> liars in #raspberrypi will not be tolerated =)
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[20:23] <|Jeroen|> lol
[20:24] <pksato> appears to /opt/vc/lib and /opt/vc/bin not in Arch shell path.
[20:24] <dniMretsaM> good afternoon, all
[20:24] <Torikun> hi dniMretsaM
[20:25] <dniMretsaM> sup Torikun
[20:25] <Torikun> working, u
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[20:26] <dniMretsaM> not much. figured I get on and see if anything interesting was happening
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[20:27] <rikkib> aDro, What happened to your web cam... Crashes? Not working at all? Some other issue?
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[20:28] <Neqoxec> pksato: ldconfig -v shows /opt/vc/lib for me in arch arm hf, not sure why xbmc doesn't see it
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[20:28] <aDro> Well it seems if I run the command to capture an image
[20:28] <aDro> It works sometimes and othertimes I get an error message
[20:28] <DexterLB> also, using LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/lib;/opt/vc/lib" doesn't work, I had to symlink the libraries, which I imagine will cause massive cataclysms after updates
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[20:29] <aDro> And the images are far from perfect.
[20:29] <rikkib> aDro, A kernel error message?
[20:29] <rikkib> Can you paste the error message?
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[20:29] <aDro> VIDIOC_DQBUF: No such device No frames captured.
[20:30] <aDro> http://pastebin.com/6qmQz1hK
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[20:30] <aDro> Works, and then doesnt
[20:30] <DexterLB> anyone found a better way to make xbmc see the libraries?
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[20:31] <rikkib> Hmm that is a new error message to me however in line with others I have seen... basically the usb driver tries to send partial packets which user software can not handle.
[20:32] <Neqoxec> DexterLB: the build needs to be updated. You can build it yourself from the aur xbmc-rbp package
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[20:32] <pksato> aDro: What webcam?
[20:32] <aDro> Old
[20:32] <aDro> Logitech QuickCam Express
[20:32] <aDro> I'll get the details
[20:33] <DexterLB> Neqoxec: I need to set up a qemu machine for compiling if I don't want it to take ages, right? :D
[20:33] <pksato> some old webcams dont have adequate support on linux.
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[20:33] <aDro> I can guess
[20:33] <pksato> or, need very especific module.
[20:34] <pksato> us 004 Device 004: ID 046d:08f0 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Messenger
[20:34] <aDro> I can get some image, but it seems unpredictable.
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[20:34] <aDro> Bus 001 Device 038: ID 046d:0870 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Express
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[20:36] <rikkib> Symptoms of the usb issue are an image divided into segments
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[20:36] <aDro> rikkib: bingo
[20:37] <aDro> I image that is what I am getting here.
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[20:37] <rikkib> To overcome this I run a kernel from the 7th month last year
[20:37] <FerkSwe> What's the easiest way to connect a button to the gpio pins? I obviously don't want to solder.
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[20:38] <dniMretsaM> FerkSwe: breadboard?
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[20:38] <Datalink-M> FerkSwe, jumper wires, or breakout board, adafruit.com has both
[20:38] <pksato> FerkSwe: get some connector
[20:38] <aDro> Be careful!
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[20:39] <pksato> old pc case have lots of cables and buttons.
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[20:39] <Datalink-M> You will want a resistor to pull the power away from the button, say button goes to power, you want a resistor to ground on the sense pin
[20:39] <aDro> oh yeah, and some really old ones have detachable buttons
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[20:40] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/stm32-rpi.jpg
[20:40] <aDro> With connectors that will connect to the gpio really well
[20:40] <rikkib> Wires from PC
[20:40] <Datalink-M> I have a TV station to set up :D
[20:40] <Datalink-M> Or help at least
[20:40] <FerkSwe> dniMretsaM Then I still need a cable from gpio to breadboard. It's that connection I'm thinking about
[20:40] <FerkSwe> pksato Like?
[20:41] <pksato> ?
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[20:41] <aDro> An old IDE SCSI Cable
[20:41] <aDro> !!
[20:42] <rikkib> Beware idc cables
[20:42] <IT_Sean> aDro: And IDE cable, or a SCSI cable? There is no such thing as an "IDE SCSI" cable...
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[20:42] <Datalink-M> It's a floppy ribbon I thin... 26 pin
[20:42] <aDro> TIL
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[20:42] <rikkib> Some have terminals shorted... Test before using
[20:42] <IT_Sean> For the GPIO, it'll be a floppy cables you will be wanting, though
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[20:43] <Datalink-M> Breakout kits come with the ribbon
[20:43] <swart> just don't solder your pins on crooked like I did :)
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[20:44] <aDro> I have an old Floppy rounded cable
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[20:45] <aDro> I bought it online for better airflow with a bunch of other parts over 9 years ago, never used.
[20:45] <rikkib> 26 pin icd connectors are cheap and cable from pc can be reused
[20:45] <rikkib> icd
[20:45] <pksato> FerkSwe: if you have some eletronic/computer 'junk', probably find some suitable cable.
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[20:46] <swart> even a floppy drive for your rpi :)
[20:46] <aDro> I thought when I built my old PC, that was going to include a floppy drive in 2004.
[20:46] <rikkib> I have a huge amount of junk but no 26 pin made up cables in my collection so I use the cables as per the pic
[20:46] <IT_Sean> Nobody uses floppies anymore.
[20:46] <FerkSwe> IT_Sean Floppycables! Genuius!
[20:46] <AndrevS> For the pi it's easy, normal 2.56 mm connectors.... for the cubieboard it gets harder as it uses a 2mm header.
[20:47] <FerkSwe> IT_Sean WRONG! We use floppies at work. We produce medical scillicone things
[20:47] <swart> IT_Sean: but I still have my thesis backed up on floppy :)
[20:47] <Torikun> Apple killed the Floppy
[20:47] <aDro> Haha
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[20:47] <AndrevS> And then my microcontroller. It doesn't even have headers soldered on it.... but the problem it's 1.27mm, two rows, but the rows are 2.56,, apart
[20:47] <aDro> How long do the discs last?
[20:47] <swart> although I might have another copy on an old 4Mb SCSI drive
[20:47] <IT_Sean> Not very. :p
[20:47] <swart> 40Mb
[20:47] <IT_Sean> For archival, floppies are NOT your best option.
[20:48] <swart> microfiche!
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[20:48] <IT_Sean> microfilm
[20:48] <swart> magnets in general shouldn't be used for storing valuable data
[20:48] <rikkib> So many of my old floppies are unreadable now days
[20:48] <AndrevS> cdrs rot as well....
[20:48] <swart> yep
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[20:49] <swart> keep them in a dark place
[20:49] <aDro> Dry
[20:49] <swart> they can't tell the difference between photons from a laser and the ones from the sun
[20:49] <aDro> But not too dry
[20:49] <aDro> I don't know
[20:49] <pksato> () my isp recycle adsl connection every 48h. :P
[20:50] <IT_Sean> If your data is still on floppies, it isn't important enough to bother keeping. (not to mention that it's probably irrevocably corrupt, by now)
[20:50] <swart> just back everything up to facebook. they never delete anything
[20:51] <IT_Sean> Yeah, but they sell it to the highest bidder, as well.
[20:51] <aDro> Print out each file and memorize the binary.
[20:51] <AndrevS> I have this box of 5????" floppies :P
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> Heh...
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> old floppies :)
[20:52] <Torikun> lol
[20:52] <Torikun> remember zip drives?
[20:52] <Torikun> 100 MB
[20:52] * IT_Sean does
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[20:53] <IT_Sean> Remember Jaz drives????
[20:53] <Torikun> sounds familliar
[20:53] <AndrevS> I got that box of floppies as a kid, a friends dad bought a new computer and couldn't read them anymore. lol
[20:53] <IT_Sean> They were complete crap.
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[20:53] <IT_Sean> Picture a harddrive with removable platters. :|
[20:53] <DexterLB> hmm, I'm trying to play a 1080p video with xbmc on a low-res monitor, and I get a black screen. is this normal?
[20:53] <pksato> 'click of dead'
[20:53] <fperkins> It doesn't look like there is a Minecraft port to raspberry PI yet, but I thought I would check here...
[20:53] <IT_Sean> clickclickclick
[20:54] <IT_Sean> Minecraft, onna Pi? Don't hold your breath
[20:54] <FerkSwe> How many Volts do the gpio pins deliver?
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> I need an Apple II serial card so I can get all my old Apple programms off the floppies....
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> which are now 30 years old...
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> FerkSwe, 3.3
[20:54] <FerkSwe> Okay
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[20:54] <gordonDrogon> however they still work as that last photo shows..
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[20:55] <fperkins> minecraft on Pi: http://www.mojang.com/2012/11/minecraft-is-coming-to-the-raspberry-pi/http://www.mojang.com/2012/11/minecraft-is-coming-to-the-raspberry-pi/
[20:55] <fperkins> oops: http://www.mojang.com/2012/11/minecraft-is-coming-to-the-raspberry-pi/
[20:55] <pksato> tape backup drive connected to floppy cable... whats is name...
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[20:57] <gordonDrogon> if anyone has or knows about old Apple II stuff I'd appreciate knowing...
[20:58] <fperkins> do you think the data is still on it after 30 years? I thought floppies degrade over time
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[20:58] <IT_Sean> Those floppies will most likely not have anything useful on them.
[20:58] <cent> Hi
[20:58] <fperkins> grayscale porn pics?
[20:59] <Mortvert> fperkins - floppies degrade very fast. IIRC they don't retain data for more than a year.
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> I havr 30 year old 5.25" floppies that still work fine.
[21:00] <Mortvert> Then they must be magical.
[21:00] <Mortvert> if they still have the original data on them
[21:00] <DexterLB> yep, my copy of Robot Oddyssey still works on my apple ][ :)
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> I haven't taken that good care of them either.
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[21:00] <gordonDrogon> just kept them all boxed up.
[21:00] <DexterLB> no moisture is the key
[21:00] <cent> Maybe someone can help me ? I have a Rpi wich used to work fine earlier today and now doesn't even boot
[21:00] <Mortvert> I need to re-record my casettes for C64
[21:00] <FerkSwe> Uhm
[21:01] <cent> nothing exept the red light
[21:01] <FerkSwe> How do the GPIO pins work?
[21:01] <Mortvert> Can you emulate c64 on rpi?
[21:01] <FerkSwe> Because I have a program, which constantly monitors pin 16
[21:01] <FerkSwe> and I put a jumper on it, not connected to anything else
[21:01] <cent> wich one is the GPIO ?
[21:01] <FerkSwe> and when I get my finger close, it triggers my script
[21:02] <cent> PWR is on, and ACT is very very low
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[21:02] <gordonDrogon> FerkSwe, the pin is not biased either way, so floats.
[21:02] <FerkSwe> What?
[21:02] <IT_Sean> you need to either pull it hi and watch for it to go low, or pull it low and watch for it to go high
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> FerkSwe, so when you touch it, or go near it your electircal field affects it. like a touch switch.
[21:02] <FerkSwe> Ah
[21:03] <FerkSwe> Is it safe to use it that way? (Actually perfect for my project)
[21:03] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: http://kolev.info/avrdude-linuxgpio
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> not really.
[21:03] <FerkSwe> Safe as in Won't ruin my pi.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, ah, so the patch has been ported to the latest version.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> FerkSwe, who knows, but there is no cetianty about it working either.
[21:05] <Gadget-Mac> looks that way
[21:05] <cent> I read in the forums that without sd card the green light is supposed to flash for 20s, but some people say it's not sure..
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, personally, I now use a usb programmer on the pi, or from an other linux box. far easier.
[21:05] <cent> can anyone here confirm this ?
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> without an sd card the green light will do nothing.
[21:05] <pksato> cent: you tested with other sd card?
[21:06] <cent> same*
[21:06] <cent> It worked with the very sam sd card
[21:06] <cent> and I tried with a new image
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[21:08] <Kane> o/
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[21:10] <dpea> o/ one more day until my rpi comes !
[21:10] <Torikun> my 4th will be here tomorrow also dpea
[21:10] <Torikun> lol
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[21:10] <cent> mine just arrived, worked fine for 2 hours and now won't even boot..
[21:11] <dpea> cluster of rpis !
[21:11] <Torikun> Yup
[21:11] <Torikun> i was just writing a perl script to sync the web dirs on all the pis dpea
[21:11] <cent> no known solution to this issue ? : http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=8226&start=50
[21:11] <Torikun> nginx (web server ) runs much faster when the data is on each pi
[21:12] <dpea> i am gonna try arch, raspbian, gentoo and openwrt on it
[21:12] <Torikun> Gentoo will kill the SSD
[21:12] <dpea> nginx + lighttpd = delight
[21:13] <Torikun> apache killed my pis
[21:13] <Torikun> hung onto memroy for hours
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[21:14] <dpea> ontopic: i got a sandisk 8 gb 30 mb/s, i suppose will be ok?
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[21:16] <dpea> main goal will be running web servers and small time lua, cgi, php coding
[21:16] <Torikun> nginx makes it easy for load balancing
[21:17] <netzvieh> dpea: should be fine
[21:17] <netzvieh> cent: have you tried arch?
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[21:19] <cent> netzvieh: nope, you think I should ? what bugs me is it used to work with my sd / raspian
[21:19] <TomWij> Torikun: Gentoo runs just fine.
[21:19] <Torikun> I never said it would not run fine
[21:20] <netzvieh> cent: i would give it a try ;) do you have any other sd card oder adapter?
[21:20] <Torikun> I am saying it will probably kill your SD card
[21:20] <cent> netzvieh: not yet
[21:20] <cent> netzvieh: how could I possibly check wether it is software or hardware issue ?
[21:20] <TomWij> Torikun: Depends on how you use it, you can kill it with any distro.
[21:21] <Torikun> Compiling your SD card will ruin it
[21:21] <Torikun> Other distros wont involve much compiling
[21:21] <TomWij> There is no such thing as "compiling your SD card"
[21:21] <Torikun> *compiling on
[21:21] <TomWij> You don't have to compile on the SD card anyway...
[21:22] <Torikun> where would you compile it on
[21:22] <netzvieh> cent: easiest way would be to try a arch first, and if that doesn't work to try another sd card
[21:22] <TomWij> Whatever fits
[21:22] <Torikun> the PI has slow IO
[21:22] <Mortvert> If it fits, it sits.
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[21:23] <netzvieh> cent: which os do you use to put the img onto the sd?
[21:23] <cent> netzvieh: raspbian
[21:23] <cent> netzvieh: the one recommended for beginners
[21:23] <cent> netzvieh: but I'm now downloading arch
[21:23] <Mortvert> If you're feeling hardcore enough - armed slack
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[21:24] <netzvieh> cent: i meant the OS on you pc/laptop ;)
[21:24] <cent> arch
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[21:24] <netzvieh> mkay, arch
[21:24] <dpea> tomwij can we cross compile for arm on a pc and then somehow move the result packaged on the gentoo running pi?
[21:24] <TomWij> dpea: Yes.
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[21:25] <dpea> like a ipkg packawged or a deb
[21:25] <cent> it went all right, using dd, no error etc
[21:25] <dpea> <- bad typing on this nexus 7
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[21:26] <Datalink-M> yes you can set up a cross compile environment
[21:27] <dpea> tomwij how about compiling on the rpi with distcc ?
[21:27] <Torikun> dpea: compiling on a normal system is a very time consuming process. The pi is much slow on every level.....
[21:27] <Datalink-M> I did a kernel, it took 10 hours
[21:28] <TomWij> dpea: That's what I do, I mostly compile with distcc. Things that don't go on the RPi itself I do in cross-compile. Most things on USB, and things I want to go fast I do on the SD.
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[21:29] <TomWij> Torikun: It is not a very time consuming process, I compile a lot of packages on a daily basis and can do anything I want in the mean-time.
[21:29] <Torikun> define mean-time
[21:29] <Torikun> and your setup and see if dpea is remotly as good as yours.
[21:29] <SwK> is there a good virtual image for dev'ing for the r-pi on a much faster box?
[21:30] <SwK> ie: so I can build like on a 12core xeon vs the rpi lol
[21:30] <Torikun> that would be cool swart
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[21:31] <roaster> finally getting the last pieces together to setup some remote debugging I hope...
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[21:32] * rikkib would like to get access to the jtag on the RPi... I have a ARM-USB-OCD-H for my STM32V
[21:32] <turndevil> SwK, i found a virtualbox appliance once that had raspbian setup and ready to use. the problem is, i can't find this site anymore =(
[21:33] <dpea> 10 more hours until my rpi
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[21:33] <fperkins> what are you going to do with your rpi, dpea?
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[21:33] <fperkins> Do you guys follow /r/battlestations/?
[21:33] <fperkins> it would be cool if there was one specific to RPi
[21:33] <dpea> try diff distros, learn from them and the use it as a small erbserver
[21:34] <fperkins> i never heard of erbserver.. what's that?
[21:34] <Torikun> webserver?
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[21:34] <turndevil> SwK, found it. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60623239/RaspberryPi.VirtualBox.zip
[21:34] <SwK> d00t thanks turndevil
[21:35] <TomWij> Nice thing about Gentoo (and probably Arch too) is that you can have it much more minimal than most of the other "packaged" distros, if you plan to go for something very specific and don't need most of what an OS provides it's very handy.
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[21:35] <TomWij> s/OS/"packaged" distro/
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[21:35] <Torikun> yup
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[21:35] <turndevil> SwK: that's the article i got the link from... http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2961
[21:36] <Torikun> I miss Gentoo TomWij
[21:36] <Torikun> I used to use it only
[21:36] <dpea> yes, webserver, excyse my tablet typing
[21:36] <roaster> TomWij, true but it's not because it's there you have to use, optimization is often taken too far as well
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[21:37] <fperkins> ahh. I'm thinking of getting one to get my son introduced into programming
[21:37] <Torikun> Gentoo is realyl nice if you do not need to compile kde/gnome
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[21:37] * roaster wonders how long it would take the rpi to build kde haha
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[21:38] <Neqoxec> can the rpi even run kde?
[21:38] <TomWij> roaster: People assume too easily that it's only about optimization, it's about a lot more than that as well; learning the basis, having control, customization, be able to deal with anything, ...
[21:38] <mjr> "run" isn't probably the word, it can "crawl" kde
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[21:38] <Torikun> TomWij: is right. and it's fun to start from the bottom
[21:38] <roaster> lol mjr
[21:39] <Torikun> I learned more about Linux on Arch/Gentoo than anywhere else
[21:39] <rikkib> lol
[21:39] <rikkib> kde
[21:39] <Torikun> kdelibs takes hours to compile
[21:39] <Torikun> avoid that package!
[21:39] <Torikun> lol
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[21:39] * rikkib likes kde but I doubt it would be good on RPi
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[21:40] <roaster> why I'm busy setting up a cross compilation setup here... no way I'm going to build on the rpi :D
[21:40] <Torikun> lol exactly
[21:40] * rikkib uses KDE on all his Linux I386 desktops
[21:40] <Torikun> I used to build on a devie slightly better than the pi, the zonbu mini. It was horrible!
[21:40] <sheldor> roaster: i was told you cannot really speed things up because the bottleneck in compilation is io
[21:40] <sheldor> and not cpu
[21:40] <TomWij> Torikun: Well, my host is a i7 with MAKEOPTS="-j32 -l8" with server throughput so cross-compiling kdelibs wouldn't be an issue; but yeah, the RPi won't handle it properly without major modifications I suppose...
[21:40] <sheldor> so you wont see significant speedups
[21:40] <Neqoxec> if you do a minimalistic setup, the only big package really is gcc ~16 hours
[21:40] <sheldor> but never tested it personally
[21:41] <Torikun> Nice machine TomWij
[21:41] <TomWij> Torikun: It's also pretty nice for distcc, the compile phase itself on the RPi is blazing fast that way.
[21:41] <Torikun> Nice
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[21:41] <Torikun> do you have to do special things to make your i7 support ARM?
[21:41] <TomWij> Torikun: 32 basically uses cgroups, it's 8 cores but you know... 8 jobs usually wait on I/O so gotta bump the number.
[21:42] <TomWij> Torikun: It doesn't run ARM, it can cross-compile for ARM.
[21:42] <Torikun> What has to be done to support ARM?
[21:42] <Torikun> just a simple config file change?
[21:42] <Torikun> or many packages
[21:42] <TomWij> Torikun: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml and http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/cross-development.xml
[21:42] <Torikun> ty
[21:43] <roaster> sheldor, you definitely see a speed difference, and besides my virtualbox debian installation on my pc outperforms the rpi on cpu and i/o anyway
[21:43] <Torikun> I want to try Gentoo on my Macbook lol
[21:43] <TomWij> I think that it basically introduces a small ARM stage3 with host-architecture compiling tools (can run on host) and ARM libs.
[21:43] <Neqoxec> ran gentoo on my rpi for awhile, got tired of every single package being masked
[21:44] <sheldor> roaster: dont be so sure it outperforms on i/o. i mean high quality sd cards are regularly faster than hdd
[21:44] <Torikun> Neqoxec: I hate that!
[21:44] <Torikun> lol
[21:44] <sheldor> roaster: and as i said cpu is irrelevant
[21:44] <Torikun> That made me hate Gentoo back in teh day
[21:44] <sheldor> on the other hand when i compile stuff i always see my rpi at 100% cpu....
[21:44] <TomWij> Neqoxec: Pretty normal for an architecture that still needs some more love.
[21:44] <sheldor> thinking about that why did they tell me io is the bottleneck
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[21:44] <rikkib> Small programs I compile on the RPi... Big stuff on a Linux I386 machine. I set up using crosstools-ng on the I386
[21:44] <sheldor> Amadiro: why did you tell me?
[21:45] <KiltedPi> I'm wanting to make wiring out of an old IDE cable I have, like in this vid : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sMiRoXY_oZg - Anyone got any advice for me?
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[21:45] <KiltedPi> I dunno anything about electronics
[21:45] <KiltedPi> I thought that wiring was all the same.
[21:45] <KiltedPi> :/
[21:45] <TomWij> sheldor: CPU is the bottleneck only if you don't off-load tasks with distcc to other computer(s) on your network.
[21:45] <KiltedPi> This is 'data' wiring then?
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[21:45] <roaster> sheldor, I know they are but my pc setup has 2 striped ssd drives
[21:46] <rikkib> I think the kernel/firmware developers use crosstools-ng to make the cross compiler on the raspberry pi git hub
[21:46] <KiltedPi> Damn. Too many 'softies' in IRC today
[21:46] <KiltedPi> Any electronics nerds? :S
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[21:46] <roaster> lol KiltedPi nope :D
[21:47] <Hodapp> I might count as one.
[21:47] <KiltedPi> I'm curious as to why it says I need to cut past wires 26/27
[21:47] <KiltedPi> in the magpi magazine
[21:47] <rikkib> If not familiar with building a cross compiler try the pre built stuff on raspberrypi github
[21:47] <KiltedPi> Cool beans.
[21:47] <sheldor> fair point roaster
[21:47] <KiltedPi> Hodapp- PM?
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[21:47] <sheldor> TomWij: well offloading stuff via distcc doesnt seem a common setup on the rpi
[21:47] <TomWij> Torikun: I probably should set up my cross evironment in a better way and do everything from my host, so it only gets a metter of sending over a binary package to the RPi; but well, didn't bother as it compiles fine on the RPi. Maybe look into that when I do updates on the RPi.
[21:47] <roaster> but hey, setting up this cross compilation thingie was fun to do either way :D
[21:47] <TomWij> Now I just leave the first version of what I install on it. :D
[21:48] <sheldor> basically doesnt seem common at all (for home compilation)
[21:48] <Torikun> ah good idea
[21:48] <TomWij> And the portage tree is a captured squashfs
[21:48] * rikkib is trying to get support from a client to get a distcc cluster together
[21:48] <roaster> rikkib, haven't found one pre built package providing me with cross compilation tools for soft float wheezy, maybe I didn't look far enough though :D
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[21:49] <TomWij> roaster: hardfloat here
[21:49] * rikkib He runs a PC recycle company but needs convincing
[21:49] <rikkib> Hard float here to
[21:49] <roaster> I would if libspotify would support it, unfortunately it's built with soft float
[21:49] <TomWij> Everything I do for the RPi I've been noting to go for the "performance" option, and looking at how smooth XBMC is it paid off...
[21:49] * Torikun downloads the gentoo iso
[21:50] <Neqoxec> there's a stage4 image floating around somewhere, i'd star tfrom there Torikun
[21:50] <rikkib> roaster, I will see if I can find a link for you.
[21:50] <sheldor> roaster: which cross compiler did yo use
[21:50] <Torikun> im doing it on my macbook Neqoxec
[21:50] <sheldor> oh crosstools-ng
[21:50] <Neqoxec> ah
[21:50] <roaster> crosstool-ng
[21:50] <sheldor> roaster: it would be interesting to know how long xbmc takes to compile
[21:50] <sheldor> it takes 12+ hours on the rpi
[21:51] <sheldor> thx
[21:51] <TomWij> Torikun: If you have any questions feel free to ping me, I'm using it a lot on a daily basis; I do bug wrangling (new bugs) and kernel bug wrangling on Bugzilla and some ebuild development, aiming to become Gentoo Developer very soon...
[21:51] <Torikun> ty
[21:51] <Torikun> hopefully it will support my wifi on my macbook
[21:51] <Torikun> lol
[21:51] <rikkib> https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools
[21:51] <rikkib> cross tools
[21:51] <TomWij> Torikun: An educated guess tells me it's Atheros and that's well supported in Linux.
[21:51] <Torikun> broadcom
[21:52] <dpea> bcom the horror
[21:52] <TomWij> Hmm, different generation than what I see around here probably.
[21:52] <Torikun> Ubuntu supports it with the restricted drivers
[21:52] <sheldor> broadcom is the worst
[21:52] <sheldor> sorry
[21:52] <sheldor> get realtek or atheros or something
[21:52] <rikkib> lol
[21:52] <dpea> or just atheros please
[21:53] <roaster> sheldor, I followed this guy's notes: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/
[21:53] <sheldor> i got a $10 nano random chinese dongle with a realtek chip
[21:53] <sheldor> works like a charm
[21:53] <sheldor> thanks roaster
[21:54] <TomWij> I'm running Intel WiFi Link 5100
[21:54] <roaster> but just found out that if you want remote debugging he's missing the option of enabling the build of gdb as well, so I'm building my compiler and gdb again now :D
[21:54] <TomWij> Not the best (some issues sometimes in the kernels) but does the job mostly.
[21:54] <rikkib> I asked a friend who is the senior project manager for the largest system integration company in NZ what he thought of Broadcom... Nothing but trouble was his reply.
[21:55] <roaster> I use an edimax nano wifi dongle
[21:55] <s5fs> roaster: i'm messing with angstrom right now, slow going
[21:55] <sheldor> rikkib: note that the rpi is fundamentally broadcom
[21:55] <dpea> bcm + their nda = love
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[21:55] <Amadiro> sheldor, hmm?
[21:56] <sheldor> Amadiro: you told me i wouldnt see significant speedups if i crosscompile stuff for the rpi
[21:56] <sheldor> Amadiro: because you said cpu isnt the bottleneck
[21:56] <rikkib> Don't I know it... A Broadcom employeee tossed me from the Raspberry Pi forum.
[21:56] <sheldor> yet when i compile things i see cc with 99% in top
[21:56] <sheldor> on the rpi
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[21:56] <swart> compilation will be faster for sure on a pc
[21:57] <swart> the resulting code should be the same :)
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[21:57] <rikkib> The Foundation gets nothing from me now... Bug fixes I do remain with me.
[21:57] <sheldor> lol wtf rikkib
[21:57] <sheldor> rikkib: what are you doing?
[21:58] <rikkib> Working with security cams and the likes... Two project atm. One cam setups and the other a gate opener with vid/aud intercom
[21:59] <sheldor> cool
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[21:59] * roaster missed this kind of development since his dayjob became windows software :D
[22:00] <rikkib> Yesterday i fixed a bug in watchdog. I really have no incentive to release anything I do.
[22:00] <Amadiro> sheldor, I don't think I said that.
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[22:00] <cent> back
[22:01] * rikkib is probably not a nice person in that regard... i get a bee in my bonnet and there it stays.
[22:01] <Amadiro> What I might have said, however, is that that there is a lower limit to when it pays off to cross-compile.
[22:01] <cent> netzvieh: I found an other sd and tested with it, no succes
[22:01] <sheldor> Amadiro: yes you did
[22:01] <sheldor> you said "cpu is not the bottleneck, io is"
[22:02] <dpea> btw: whats the sd speed on the 512 mb version pls?
[22:02] <Amadiro> sheldor, that depends on the language and compiler
[22:02] <Amadiro> sheldor, but note your false assumption that that means that using cross-compiling won't give you a speedup
[22:02] <sheldor> Amadiro: we were talking gcc on the rpi
[22:02] * rikkib was not impressed with the treatment I received at the hands of jamesh of the foundation forums and do not mind telling people about it despite the flack I get when I do.
[22:03] <sheldor> Amadiro: it was your conclusion
[22:03] <Amadiro> sheldor, most certainly not.
[22:03] <rikkib> Breakfast
[22:03] <Amadiro> sheldor, it depends on too many factors to make a general conclusion, like which language you are compiling (C and C++ have very different compilation characteristics) what type of SD-card you have (might make it the bottleneck or not), what compiler options you use (for instance -pipe or not)
[22:03] <sheldor> Amadiro: yes you said it would not significantly speedup compilation
[22:04] <netzvieh> cent: hmm, then it seems to be a hardware problem somewhere on the pi ... have you tried to manually replace the firmware?
[22:04] <cent> Hey what to do when your Rpi just stop booting and shows nothing but the red light, no matter wich sd card you use, and wich new system you install on it ?
[22:04] <netzvieh> like in the forum posts you linked?
[22:04] <sheldor> okay
[22:04] <netzvieh> though at least the arch should have the newest firmware
[22:04] <Amadiro> sheldor, for instance if you compile smallish C projects, it might not pay off, if you compile largeish C++ projects, it most certainly will
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[22:05] <cent> netzvieh: Yup, i used tried putting the files of the git depot instead. nothing
[22:05] <s5fs> rikkib: that's one of the drawbacks of the oss community in general, maintainers and project members with bad attitudes end up chasing off potential contributors.
[22:05] <Perkele> how do i restart the sshd?
[22:05] <sheldor> Amadiro: why in a nutshell exactly is cpp more cpu intense to compile?
[22:05] <s5fs> rikkib: the oss "solution" is to grow thicker skin
[22:05] <pksato> cent: use the warranty.
[22:05] <Amadiro> Perkele, /etc/init.d/sshd restart
[22:05] <s5fs> (as root)
[22:05] <cent> netzvieh: well, honestly i only tried raspbian with the new sd for now, arch still working
[22:05] <Perkele> /etc/init.d/sshd doesn't exist, Amadiro
[22:05] <sheldor> Perkele: sudo service sshd restart
[22:05] <sheldor> or that
[22:05] <Amadiro> Perkele, it might be called something else
[22:06] <Perkele> unrecognized service, sheldor
[22:06] <Amadiro> sheldor, c++ is much more CPU and memory-intensive because the compiler has to do significantly more work to expand templates et cetera
[22:06] <cent> netzvieh: any idea of what i could have done to break it ? it used to work, i ssh-ed in it :(
[22:06] <Amadiro> There are many more rules to parsing the language as well
[22:06] <sheldor> Perkele: sudo service ssh restart
[22:06] <Perkele> same
[22:06] <sheldor> i see Amadiro
[22:06] <netzvieh> Perkele: ps -e ssh?
[22:07] <sheldor> Perkele: sudo apt-get install sshd
[22:07] <netzvieh> is there some sshd?
[22:07] <Perkele> hm
[22:07] <Perkele> i am logged in via ssh right now
[22:07] <Perkele> but i don't see the sshd with ps, wtf
[22:07] <dpea> dropbear could be better than openssh on a rpi..
[22:07] <pksato> sudo service ssh restart
[22:08] <netzvieh> cent: no, not really ... do you have a hdmi screen?
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[22:08] <Perkele> ~/.ssh exists
[22:08] <Perkele> i even placed the key there
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[22:08] <Perkele> and it works
[22:08] <Perkele> so what is going on
[22:08] <Perkele> (raspbmc btw)
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[22:08] <netzvieh> Perkele: sudo netstat -tulpen shows nothing?
[22:09] <Amadiro> Perkele, I don't think you need to have sshd installed to have .ssh generated -- the client will do it as well
[22:09] <sheldor> Perkele: probably some other ssh impementation
[22:09] <Perkele> netzvieh: it shows a lot but nothing ssh related
[22:09] <netzvieh> well thats interesting
[22:09] <netzvieh> i'll have a look on mine
[22:10] <Perkele> nmbd, rpcbind, xinetd...
[22:10] <dpea> ps fax | grep dropbear
[22:10] <pksato> Perkele: service ssh status
[22:10] <Perkele> pksato: still unrecognized service
[22:11] <pksato> raspbian?
[22:11] <Perkele> raspbmc
[22:11] <Perkele> does xbmc provide its own ssh server?
[22:12] <ParkerR> No
[22:12] <sheldor> Perkele: btw how much cpu does xbmc on idle consume on raspbxm?
[22:12] <ParkerR> It's provided in the OS
[22:12] <ParkerR> sheldor, Raspbmc has ran the best for me
[22:12] <Perkele> sheldor: around 50%
[22:12] <sheldor> er raspmbc
[22:13] <sheldor> Perkele: dude i tried so hard to get it down from 100% to like 10%. 50% is the best i could do on a raspbian with manually installed xbmc
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[22:13] <sheldor> ParkerR: Perkele i read about people running it with 10-20% on a pi though
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[22:13] <Perkele> huh
[22:13] <sheldor> ParkerR: how much cpu on idle?
[22:14] <sheldor> after i installed it on raspbian it was at 100% 24/7
[22:14] <sheldor> then some tweaks allowed me to reduce it to 50%
[22:14] <turndevil> Perkele, did you find your sshd by now?
[22:14] <sheldor> which is still way too much and will fry your pi over time
[22:14] <sheldor> also the ui is laggy
[22:15] <Perkele> turndevil: no...
[22:15] <ParkerR> Weird. ON the system info screen it says 100% usage
[22:15] <ParkerR> just idling
[22:15] <Perkele> i am flabbergasted
[22:15] <ParkerR> sheldor, What tweaks?
[22:15] <turndevil> try "ps auxw | grep ssh"
[22:15] <sheldor> ParkerR: its not weird. the sdl usage bar takes so much
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[22:15] <ParkerR> sheldor, Ahh
[22:15] <dpea> dont use gui for cpu mon, use console top
[22:15] <Perkele> turndevil: yeah i did that already, only returns the grep command
[22:15] <ParkerR> htop
[22:16] <ParkerR> So much better :P
[22:16] <sheldor> ParkerR: setting dirty regions, enabling vsync, disabling rss, etc etc
[22:16] <sheldor> i googled for hours
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[22:16] <ParkerR> Enabling vsysnc?
[22:16] <ParkerR> *vsync
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[22:16] <ParkerR> I would think disabling it would be better
[22:16] <Perkele> htop has xbmc, dbus-daemon, init, rsyslogd, udevd...
[22:16] <Perkele> i don't get it
[22:16] <ParkerR> WHat do you mean?
[22:16] <sheldor> ParkerR: or disabling, dont remeber
[22:16] <Perkele> i'm obviously logged in via ssh
[22:16] <sheldor> ParkerR: i remember i had to set someting to "always on" though, i think it was vsync
[22:17] <ParkerR> Perkele, How is that odd?
[22:17] <Perkele> ParkerR: it seems that there is no sshd running, but i thought it would be required to log in via ssh
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[22:18] <sheldor> Perkele: there are other ssh implementations with other names..
[22:18] <ParkerR> Ohh yeah dropbear
[22:18] <Perkele> like what?
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[22:18] <pksato> Perkele: fuser -n tcp 22
[22:19] <Perkele> pksato: nothing
[22:19] <pksato> to find who is using port 22
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[22:19] <Perkele> with sudo i get: 22/tcp: 677 13671
[22:19] <pksato> no ssh daemon on port 22.
[22:19] <Perkele> is that the pid?
[22:19] <pksato> ah... forget sudo. :)
[22:19] <Perkele> aha dropbear
[22:20] <Perkele> ParkerR was right, didn't even realize it was part of the conversation
[22:20] <ParkerR> Very bottom
[22:20] <ParkerR> Yeah
[22:20] <Perkele> thx
[22:20] <ParkerR> No problem
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[22:21] <Perkele> what a name for a ssh server
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[22:24] <b3hnam> I can start my pyload by : /etc/init.d/pyload start
[22:24] <b3hnam> How can I make it run in startup automatically?
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[22:25] <Amadiro> b3hnam, "update-rc.d pyload defaults" or so. Check the update-rc.d manpage.
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[22:26] <sheldor> the joy2key documentation really sucks
[22:26] <sheldor> basically by being absent
[22:26] <sheldor> oh btw is there a way to change font size in the plain console the pi boots into?
[22:26] <sheldor> like double it
[22:27] <sheldor> im currently creating a menu with dialog the pi boots into and it should be possible to navigate it with just a gamepad
[22:27] <b3hnam> Amadiro: what about xchat ? (run in graphical mod ?)
[22:27] <sheldor> it runs in an endless loop and lets you start things like xbmc, emulationstation, quake3, lxde
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[22:27] <sheldor> and after each of those terminate it gets you back to the dialog script
[22:28] <roaster> of course, when you think you're nearly there, an error occurs :D
[22:28] <sheldor> is there a better way to write such a menu? maybe more fancy looking and with native gamepad support
[22:28] <Amadiro> b3hnam, what about it?
[22:28] <sheldor> with a gui
[22:28] <sheldor> would you recommend sdl for that?
[22:28] <Amadiro> sheldor, there is, but it would involve a lot of work.
[22:28] <b3hnam> Amadiro: making xchat run at startup
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[22:28] <sheldor> Amadiro: can you recommend something that doesnt require too much work and looks more fancy than dialog?
[22:28] <Amadiro> b3hnam, make X start at startup and then put xchat in your .xinitrc or so, I suppose
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[22:29] <sheldor> Amadiro: btw where you referring to the font size or the sdl menu regarding lot of work?
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[22:29] <Torikun> TomWij compiling kernel now on Macbook =)
[22:29] <sheldor> b3hnam: or put your xchat in the /etc/whatever/lxde/autostart
[22:29] <sheldor> or /usr/share/whatever/lxde/autostart
[22:29] <sheldor> dont recall
[22:30] <Amadiro> sheldor, I was referring to the fancier menu. You can use SDL (which is a little buggy on the RPI, in my experience), OpenGL ES or so directly (see the hello_font examples in /opt/vc/hello_pi) -- or you can use some or other library that uses one of these
[22:30] <rikkib> s5fs, I was developing for the OSS community many years ago when you had no choice but to get involved to fix the buggy software... I also worked on early moxa drivers for Linux and a project call xmlbaster doing mysql stuff...
[22:30] <Amadiro> sheldor, doing it directly in opengl/sdl is a pretty big pain in the ass, since it doesn't handle a lot of the font-stuff for you -- you have to do wrapping and such yourself.
[22:30] <sheldor> thanks Amadiro
[22:30] <sheldor> are there no framebuffer menu solutions?
[22:30] <sheldor> i see Amadiro
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[22:31] <sheldor> Amadiro: alternatively increasing the font size in the console would make the simple dialog script more usable
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[22:32] <sheldor> the dialog script already works. probably can get the gamepad working with joy2key
[22:32] <Amadiro> sheldor, don't know how to do that. I tried it once by appending something to the kernel console (the font type to use), but that didn't have any effect. Didn't really try anything else
[22:32] <b3hnam> Amadiro: where is .xinitrc ?
[22:32] <Amadiro> I know OpenELECs raspi version does it, however
[22:32] <b3hnam> should I make it in home ?
[22:32] <sheldor> and i themed it in a nice red green rpi combination
[22:32] <Amadiro> they have a really huge terminal font -- so have a look at that if you can't figure it out otherwise
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[22:33] <sheldor> okay let me ask in #openelec
[22:33] <Amadiro> sheldor, you can also just read the joystick events yourself using the evdev protocol (or possibly using a library that does it for you, like OpenGL, pigu or so)
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[22:33] <Amadiro> b3hnam, yes.
[22:33] <b3hnam> Amadiro: and in .xinitrc just write xchat ??
[22:33] <sheldor> interesting Amadiro. you mean even in a dialog script?
[22:34] <Amadiro> sheldor, well, it'd probably make more sense to just use ncurses or so in a dialog script
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[22:34] <Amadiro> b3hnam, you might have to give it a shebang like "#!/bin/bash" first. It should probably also be executable.
[22:34] <sheldor> Amadiro: by dialog script i mean the binary "dialog" used in conjunction with if then etc in a bash script
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[22:35] <sheldor> Amadiro: wait ncurses comes with joystick support? interesting
[22:35] <Amadiro> sheldor, I have not used dialog, but doing something like parsing evdev in a bash script is probably a major pain in the butt
[22:35] <Amadiro> sheldor, I don't know if it does.
[22:35] <sheldor> i see
[22:35] <Amadiro> but its worth a look
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[22:36] <sheldor> Amadiro: dialog is really simple to use, perfect for creating menus with a few lines
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[22:36] <sheldor> yes it is
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[22:37] <Amadiro> sheldor, otherwise, try something like this program: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/programming-9/joystick-347292/
[22:37] <Amadiro> you could modify it to return whatever key is pressed at the time to your bash script, I suppose
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[22:38] <sheldor> oh havent seen that yet
[22:38] <sheldor> thanks Amadiro
[22:38] <Amadiro> that program does the evdev parsing for you
[22:38] <Amadiro> it's probably going to be horribly inefficient, but oh well
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[22:40] <sheldor> Amadiro: in the posts they say sdl would be a better alternative, it just isnt available on the system of the OP
[22:40] <sheldor> sdl seems to handle joystick out of the box
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[22:41] <Amadiro> sheldor, It does, and I think you can probably also use it without initializing the screen (i.e. only initialize SDLs input handling, but not any of its video capabilities)
[22:41] <Amadiro> (or possibly by giving it a dummy video driver)
[22:41] <Amadiro> then you can still do your console printing thing (with ncurses, if you want to)
[22:41] <sheldor> is initializing the screen hard?
[22:41] <Amadiro> no, but if you do, you won't see the console anymore
[22:42] <sheldor> oh i see
[22:42] <sheldor> maybe i will do the entire menu in sdl
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[22:42] <sheldor> should look way fancier
[22:42] <sheldor> yeah
[22:42] <Amadiro> well, as I said, it's a bit of a pain in the butt, because it doesn't handle a lot of text stuff for you
[22:42] <sheldor> is sdl c or c++?
[22:42] <Amadiro> and its kinda buggy on the pi
[22:42] <Amadiro> C
[22:42] <sheldor> i see
[22:42] <sheldor> thanks
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[22:42] <sheldor> mmaybe i can use images with hard text for menu buttons
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[22:43] <chep> hello
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[22:43] <sheldor> maybe there is even an sdl python wrapper
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[22:45] <ParkerR> sheldor, Holy smokes. It does seem a bit snappier with vsync always on
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[22:45] <Amadiro> sheldor, there is, it is called pygame.
[22:46] <Amadiro> sheldor, and there are also ncurses bindings/replacements for python as well, if you still want to do it in text.
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[22:47] <b3hnam> Amadiro: I run "update-rc.d pyload defaults" and I reboad but it does not start but I can start by
[22:47] <b3hnam> "/etc/init.d/pyload start "
[22:47] <chep> when i use the "-r" switch with omxplayer, it uses 100% cpu and i loose everything else. Only omxplayer run, i can't ping the board. If I turn off my screen everything come back (I use hdmi). Does anyone know something about this?
[22:47] <sheldor> ParkerR: yeah :)
[22:48] <sheldor> Amadiro: oh that sounds good
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[22:48] <rikkib> Hmmm setting CFLAGS=-s does not seem to work. Wonder if it should be just CFLAGS=s. Setting -s in the make file does not work either. Using stip manually does work.
[22:48] <Amadiro> b3hnam, did it say something about having added pyload to the defaults runlevel successfully?
[22:48] <ParkerR> sheldor, Feels more like it is running on a good computer
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[22:48] <sheldor> yep :)
[22:49] <sheldor> ParkerR: sadly i couldnt bring it to 20% cpu yet
[22:49] <b3hnam> Amadiro: update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
[22:49] <Amadiro> rikkib, CFLAGS are just directly substituted into the compiler command line, so if anything, it should be -S
[22:49] <Amadiro> normally, anyway
[22:49] <sheldor> the best i get is 42% when the "system" option is selected
[22:49] <rikkib> Perhaps I need to set other flags as well
[22:50] <Amadiro> rikkib, what do you want it to do?
[22:50] <sheldor> or the weather one
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[22:50] <sheldor> just one without preview and plugins in the ui
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[22:50] <rikkib> Strip the binary
[22:50] <Amadiro> rikkib, can you just `strip binary`?
[22:50] <rikkib> Which I have managed to do manually
[22:51] <rikkib> with the strip command
[22:51] <rikkib> strip -s binary-file
[22:51] <Perkele> i'm trying to grab keyboard control of xbmc on my pi with ssh and x2x, but it doesn't seem to work
[22:51] <Perkele> is xbmc on raspbmc even running with X?
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[22:51] <rikkib> Takes file size from 240K to 7K
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[22:51] <sheldor> Perkele: no i think framebuffer
[22:52] <Amadiro> rikkib, -s could possibly contradict other flags such as -g or -ggdb, I suppose
[22:52] <s5fs> rikkib: oss isn't so different these days, seems that while the userbase increases quickly, contributers are still hard to find
[22:52] <Perkele> sheldor: kthx. oh well
[22:52] <Perkele> sucks
[22:52] <sheldor> use the webservice for remote controlling it Perkele
[22:52] <rikkib> by removing all debugging symbols
[22:52] <sheldor> Perkele: and the android app or whatever
[22:52] <Perkele> the http remote for xbmc sucks
[22:52] <Perkele> cause i can't use the keyboard
[22:52] <Perkele> typing in text is a huge pain
[22:52] <rikkib> Tried -g -O2 -s
[22:52] <sheldor> Perkele: not with a smartphone app
[22:52] <sheldor> Perkele: you cn with a smartphone
[22:52] <Amadiro> rikkib, yes, the -g might be negating the -s
[22:52] <Perkele> i don't have a smartphone
[22:52] <Amadiro> try without
[22:52] <rikkib> Byu manually editing the make file
[22:52] <sheldor> you can use the smartphone/tablet keyboard
[22:53] <sheldor> not the stupid xbmc keyboard
[22:53] <Perkele> that android app wouldn't run on debian, would it?
[22:53] <rikkib> ahhh Thanks... Will give it another shot
[22:53] <sheldor> Perkele: btw even when i connect a keyboad physically to the xbmc machine it does not take keyboard input
[22:53] * osfameron giggles at "Perkele"
[22:53] <b3hnam> Amadiro: it just said update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing after running "update-rc.d pyload defaults"
[22:54] <sheldor> only the smartphone app was so far able to offer a decent text input
[22:54] <Perkele> sheldor: it does on mine, but only when the keyboard was plugged in while booting
[22:54] <sheldor> Perkele: might run in an emulator
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[22:54] <Perkele> meh
[22:54] <sheldor> Perkele: and from there it takes real keyboard input
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[22:54] <sheldor> Perkele: i can only navigate the menu with the physical keyboard. weird
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[22:57] <rikkib> Amadiro, That works to a certain extent but does not strip the same amount as strip.
[22:57] <rikkib> 91K
[22:57] <rikkib> from 240K
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[22:58] <Amadiro> rikai, interesting, and if you strip it afterwards, it gets even smaller?
[22:58] <rikkib> Using strip on the 91K binary reduces it down to 71K
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[22:58] <rikkib> Which is about the same as the deb package binary
[23:00] <rikkib> Anyway I guess I will use the strip solution... It is just one extra command after compiling. Next make a deb package something I have not done for a very long time.
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[23:01] <rikkib> The watchdog source has the deb stuff to help which would be half the battle
[23:01] <Amadiro> rikkib, don't know why strip would make it even smaller, sorry -- perhaps its applying some other minimizations that gcc doesn't consider quite kosher/standard.
[23:02] <rikkib> Last time I made deb packages I was building custom kernels making them into debs and installing them
[23:02] <sheldor> Perkele: well you can write your own remote
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[23:03] <rikkib> I suppose I better test the stripped binary before I got any further.
[23:03] <sheldor> using the webservice
[23:03] <sheldor> so its like having a real keyboard connected to it
[23:04] <sheldor> it uses JSON-RPC iirc
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[23:05] <Perkele> sheldor: i might have to
[23:05] <sheldor> is json-rpc correctly called a webservice?
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[23:05] <sheldor> because it uses the web transport
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[23:05] <Amadiro> sheldor, it is itself transport-agnostic, I believe
[23:05] <sheldor> oh it doesnt necessarily use http
[23:05] <Amadiro> but it may be a webservice amongst other things
[23:05] <sheldor> true Amadiro
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[23:09] <rikkib> Ugggg forgot to set something in ./configure Jan 18 11:07:56 raspberrypi watchdog[2069]: cannot set timeout 60 (errno = 22 = 'Invalid argument')
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[23:09] <rikkib> Recompile
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[23:10] <rikkib> Timeout has to be 10 seconds for the RPi watchdog
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[23:12] <rikkib> --with-timermargin=10
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[23:17] <rikkib> Woop... stripped binary for wtachdog works...
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[23:18] <gaddy> good evening
[23:18] <rikkib> Good evening although it is morning here in NZ
[23:19] <gaddy> Could someone please assist me? I've installed gentoo and have just booted it but I am not getting a command prompt
[23:19] <gaddy> the last thing I did was to edit /etc/shadow and change the root line to show root::10770:0:::::
[23:20] * Armand is now known as Armand|AFK
[23:20] <gaddy> because: "As we do not chroot before we boot, you will need to unset the root password. Allowing you to login with a blank password for the root user. "
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[23:20] <gaddy> it appears to have loaded successfully to a point
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[23:22] <rikkib> I do not do that in shadow... Instead I take a known password and copy it to the root user
[23:23] <earl2> hi guys
[23:23] <earl2> great suggesation about putting an ad up for what i was asking for, got a good response
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[23:23] <gaddy> what do you mean
[23:23] <earl2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=30040&e=0
[23:24] <rikkib> One of the first things I do on a RPi install is to set a root password as per above
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[23:24] <gaddy> how do you do that without chrooting?#
[23:24] <rikkib> you can also do sudo passwd
[23:25] <rikkib> It set the root password when making the image... But I use Linux to dd the image and them mount it and make modifications
[23:26] <gaddy> that will just change the root password on my computer rather than the raspberry pi system...?
[23:26] <rikkib> ssh in and sudo passwd
[23:27] <gaddy> do I need to undo what ive done to shadow?
[23:27] <rikkib> That is if gentoo has sudousers for the user
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[23:27] <gaddy> there are literally no users set up yet
[23:27] <rikkib> No idea if an undo will be needed
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[23:28] <rikkib> Mount the sd card in a Linux box and edit shadow
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[23:28] * rikkib is not familiar with gentoo
[23:29] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[23:29] <rikkib> Normally shadow file is backed up
[23:29] <earl2> in case the user doesnt respond to my pm, anyone (in europe) interested in the same offer? (http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=30040&e=0)
[23:30] <KiltedPi> In in Scotland earl2
[23:30] <rikkib> Look for shadow-
[23:30] <rikkib> In same dir
[23:30] <earl2> kiltedpi, have a look at the ad, let me know if you would be interested in case i dont connect with steve
[23:30] <KiltedPi> You know, its an input device tho
[23:31] <KiltedPi> The pressure sensor
[23:31] <rikkib> Two passwd commands and you have lost what initially existed
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[23:31] <KiltedPi> You'll need some kind of programming
[23:31] <KiltedPi> on the Pi
[23:31] <earl2> KiltedPi, of course :)
[23:31] <gaddy> im working in fedora at the mo
[23:31] <KiltedPi> to do... well...
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[23:31] <earl2> of course :) :)
[23:31] <KiltedPi> Yeah. :)
[23:31] <earl2> thanks
[23:31] <earl2> for pointing it out
[23:31] <earl2> However, it could have just been an art piece for the wall : )
[23:31] <KiltedPi> You like me then? Softie?
[23:31] <Mortvert> I wonder, if i salvaged a 320x240 screen from a phone - would it be able to work under a raspi?
[23:31] <IT_Sean> probably not.
[23:32] <earl2> however in this case your assumption was correct, I will put sw on it
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[23:32] <KiltedPi> What about one of those 'video picture frame'
[23:32] <Mortvert> IT_Sean - even if it had correct ribbon and shit?
[23:32] <KiltedPi> you can buy
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[23:32] <Mortvert> Sorry, forgot about that.
[23:32] <KiltedPi> They go for about a tenner these days
[23:32] <KiltedPi> Those video picture frame
[23:32] <KiltedPi> s
[23:33] <Mortvert> KiltedPi - they go for quite a buck over here.
[23:33] <KiltedPi> (second hand)
[23:33] <KiltedPi> I can guarantee you'll know someone who has one in the loft
[23:33] <IT_Sean> to answer your question... you MIGHT get one to work, but, i'm not sure if it would just work out of the box. You may need additional hardware
[23:33] <rikkib> You have been notified about this topic, please login to view it.
[23:33] <gaddy> rikkib
[23:33] <gaddy> im lost mate
[23:33] <rikkib> I wonder what gives above
[23:33] <dape> there are some nice but expensive lenovo small usb monitors
[23:34] <KiltedPi> Forum prob, rik?
[23:35] <rikkib> gaddy, Join the club... I really have no idea about gentoo and how it is set up. When in doubt I take the sd card out of the RPi and mount the partitions using a Linux box
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[23:36] <gaddy> they're mounted mate
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[23:36] <gaddy> im not sure its anything to do with the shadow file, just taking a guess
[23:37] <rikkib> When I click on the link (http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=30040&e=0) I get You have been notified about this topic, please login to view it. I am banned from RPI forum by jamesh
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[23:37] <Mortvert> Banned? What for?
[23:38] * jprvita is now known as jprvita|afk
[23:38] <BCMM> rikkib: deleting the &e=0 worked for me (i don't have an account)
[23:38] <roaster> rikkib, I can't logon either
[23:38] <BCMM> i too am curious as to how you got banned
[23:39] <rikkib> Yep I had got it
[23:39] <earl2> 6h
[23:39] <Mortvert> I wish there was a way to disable the bar when you're at the forums v_v
[23:39] <earl2> maybe i posted the link where i followed it
[23:39] <earl2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=30040 is the bare link
[23:40] <earl2> but anyway simple queries like that aren't supposed to cause database operations you should use post per that per the http protocol :)
[23:40] <rikkib> Asking that asb obeys one of the basic rules of Linux disto's
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[23:40] <rikkib> Make things easy for noobies
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[23:40] <gaddy> anyone else had problems with not getting a login prompt at boot?
[23:41] <rikkib> His raspi-config does not obey these unwritten rules
[23:41] <earl2> rikkib, are you interested in my offer in case i can't connect with the other responder?
[23:41] <rikkib> I allow new users to set a root password if they want, set a static ip if they want, host entries and dns entries
[23:42] <rikkib> I wrote the code to do those jobs and passed it on to asb and he just ignored me and jamesh banned me for speaking up.
[23:43] <rikkib> earl2, Sorry I am busy trying to make a go of commercial projects for the RPi
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[23:44] <rikkib> earl2, If I were to do something like that I would use the MC9S08 16 pin MCU to do that sort of job.
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[23:45] <earl2> rikkib, how much do you charge?
[23:46] <rikkib> To much... MC9S08 devel boards are about $120NZD from Element14. If you want a job done properly, do it yourself.
[23:47] <earl2> Oh, I see
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[23:48] <earl2> i wonder why you would do something so expensive when a $10 adc (or two of them) can do the same thing
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[23:48] <rikkib> mc9s08 are about $5 each
[23:49] <rikkib> may not have enough a2d ports for you but
[23:49] <rikkib> 8 per chip from memory
[23:50] <rikkib> Plus one needs to consider the levels to be measured with the adc
[23:50] <rikkib> If not 3.3 then level conversion will be needed
[23:51] <rikkib> amp or voltage divider
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[23:51] <earl2> i see
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[23:55] <Torikun> new firmware update for Arch users
[23:56] <Torikun> raspberrypi-firmware-20130116-1
[23:56] <Torikun>
[23:56] <ParkerR> Torikun, Neat.
[23:56] <pecorade> great, my rpi card reader is broken again.
[23:56] <Torikun> how
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