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IRC Log for 2013-01-18

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[0:10] <sheldor> this is really weird: when i play /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_video/test.h264 with omxplayer i get 20% cpu usage and a noticably stuttery playback. when i play it with /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_video/hello_video.bin i get only 5% cpu and 100% smooth full hd playback
[0:10] <sheldor> Amadiro: do you have any idea why?
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[0:11] <KiltedPi> whats a h264 format?
[0:11] <Amadiro> no clue, it plays smoothly for me with both
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[0:11] <sheldor> KiltedPi: just a filename
[0:11] <Amadiro> try playing around with the omxplayer options
[0:11] <sheldor> no idea what format / container it actually is
[0:11] <Amadiro> h264 is a codec
[0:11] <KiltedPi> roger that
[0:11] <sheldor> yes
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[0:11] <sheldor> but not a common file extension
[0:11] <sheldor> they just put it in the filename i guess
[0:11] <swart> usually it's mp4
[0:12] <swart> but the file extension shouldn't matter
[0:12] <sheldor> Amadiro: it is very weird though. the hello_video.bin is like 100 lines of c. the omxplayer is a huge codebase of what millions of lines of code. you would expect they know what they do and arent beaten by a random sdl tutorial c file
[0:12] <swart> well the tutorial might be showing how to use the hardware efficiently
[0:12] <Amadiro> sheldor, what makes you think omxplayer has millions of lines of code?
[0:12] <sheldor> Amadiro: meaning, i should not have to play around with omxplayer options for it to achieve similar results
[0:13] <swart> a software implementation would be more complex
[0:13] <sheldor> Amadiro: just saying. it is obviously more than /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_video/video.c
[0:13] <Amadiro> sheldor, both just feed the video stream into the VC GPU, none of the programs do any work either way
[0:13] <KiltedPi> I suppose these sort of software are bigger because they take into account varying hardware and OS's
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[0:13] <Amadiro> neither omxplayer nor video.c do any decoding of their own
[0:13] <mranostay> hello fellow pi'ers
[0:13] <sheldor> swart: i expect omxplayer to use my hardware. btw if it wouldnt use the hardware it would play at like 2fps
[0:13] * KiltedPi gives a crusty pi nod
[0:13] <sheldor> swart: so it does use the hardware. apparently not correctly
[0:13] <Amadiro> hence if one of them seems stuttery, it must be because it configured the GPU differently
[0:14] <swart> must be misconfigured then :)
[0:14] <sheldor> Amadiro: hm weird. i would expect they know what they do
[0:14] <Amadiro> hence switching around the parameters will most likely fix it
[0:14] <swart> it might fall back to s/w if the h/w config gets an error
[0:14] <swart> check your logs
[0:14] <sheldor> you guys can try it too. it should be reproducible and the difference is profound
[0:14] <Amadiro> sheldor, maybe you have an old omxplayer version, no clue
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[0:14] <sheldor> i dont think so. still however old it is, it should trivially beat a 100 lines of tutorial code!!
[0:15] <swart> unless you're doing it wrong :)
[0:15] <sheldor> is this a joke or something
[0:15] <sheldor> its like buying a car and your little toddler sister builds a better car out of used diapers before you know it
[0:15] <sheldor> and constantly overtakes you on the highway
[0:16] <Toothpick> i know it happened to my cousin...
[0:16] <Toothpick> sad story
[0:16] <sheldor> swart: whats the to do wrong about "omxplayer <filename>"
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[0:16] <sheldor> lol
[0:16] <sheldor> whats there*
[0:17] <Amadiro> sheldor, as I said, omxplayer is not really a whole lot more than that tutorial code either
[0:17] <swart> no idea. I always thought video codecs were a complex topic
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[0:17] <Amadiro> it just feeds video into the VC
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[0:17] <Amadiro> but if the hello_video.bin works better for you, use that
[0:17] <sheldor> hm
[0:17] <Amadiro> omxplayer is not exactly very feature-rich or anything anyway
[0:17] <sheldor> Amadiro: well it is a crap piece of minimalist tutorial demo
[0:17] <Amadiro> why is it crap
[0:18] <sheldor> Amadiro: i need at least navigation capabilities as omxplayer offers
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[0:18] <Amadiro> well, omxplayers navigation capabilities are not exactly... existant
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[0:18] <sheldor> can somebody please reproduce this?
[0:18] <sheldor> its really curious
[0:18] <sheldor> it makes me angry
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[0:18] <double-you> btw omxplayer...
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[0:18] <sheldor> Amadiro: of course they are. press arrays and keys
[0:18] <sheldor> arrows*
[0:19] <double-you> does anybody know how to change volume on analog audio out?
[0:19] <swart> Amadiro already said it works for him. should we all drop what we are doing and try?
[0:19] <sheldor> DO IT NAO
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[0:19] <sheldor> he said it works for him? didnt see that
[0:20] <Amadiro> sheldor, but it doesn't even tell you where you are in the movie, so it's pretty much completely worthless
[0:20] <Amadiro> it also doesn't allow you to skip to one specific timestamp et cetera
[0:20] <sheldor> Amadiro: not relevant. it is used by xbmc most importantly and xbmc relies on these capabilities
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[0:21] <sheldor> so i cannot just drop in that video.crap
[0:21] <sheldor> as a replacement
[0:21] <Amadiro> oh, okay, you use xbmc
[0:21] <Amadiro> why didn't you say so
[0:21] <sheldor> Amadiro: i didnt use xbmc for the test though
[0:21] <sheldor> it was all cli
[0:22] <Amadiro> sheldor, try giving the GPU more memory and try overclocking to moderate or so. That's what mine runs on.
[0:22] <Amadiro> I have a 128/128 split
[0:22] <KiltedPi> Remove features?
[0:22] <sheldor> Amadiro: dude. i am running two commands from the same console at the (mostly) same time, on the same hardware with the same gpu_mem allocatoin
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[0:22] <Amadiro> two different commands, yes
[0:22] <sheldor> Amadiro: i get two different results: the crap kindergarten tutorial code produces flawless perfect playback
[0:23] <Amadiro> so what is your memory split
[0:23] <sheldor> Amadiro: b) the omxplayer which is used by millions and shuold have attracted some developer focus produces stutter
[0:23] <sheldor> so
[0:23] <sheldor> the problem is not the split
[0:23] <sheldor> and not the hardware
[0:23] <sheldor> and not the time or the place
[0:23] <sheldor> the problem is omxplayer
[0:23] <KiltedPi> sheldor-
[0:23] <KiltedPi> Subtitles?
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[0:23] <KiltedPi> Is that some kind of features of xbmc
[0:23] <Amadiro> sheldor, your basic understanding of how to rule out possibilities seems to be lacking
[0:23] <sheldor> KiltedPi: sure is
[0:24] <sheldor> KiltedPi: didnt use it for the test though
[0:24] <Amadiro> sheldor, also, you didn't answer my question
[0:24] <KiltedPi> Remove/disable the heck out of it
[0:24] <sheldor> Amadiro: my mem split is 256/256
[0:24] <Amadiro> sheldor, okay, next check whether your CPU is taxed by anything else, and then try overclocking to "moderate" setting.
[0:25] <sheldor> Amadiro: nothign else. also as i said the video.crap uses only 5% while omxplayer uses 20%
[0:25] <Amadiro> if that doesn't change anything, my guess would be "slow SD card"
[0:25] <sheldor> pretty impressive little piece of crap to be fair
[0:25] <sheldor> Amadiro: dude. i am using the same hardware parameters for both
[0:25] <Amadiro> sheldor, so?
[0:25] <sheldor> ?
[0:25] <Amadiro> that's completely irrelevant
[0:25] <Amadiro> you have no control over most of the hardware parameters
[0:26] <Amadiro> the openMAX IL client does
[0:26] <sheldor> if the hardware paremeters are constant across tests and the results very then i conclude the variation is not due to hardware parameters
[0:26] <Amadiro> but there are other things as well
[0:26] <Amadiro> for instance the test app may load the whole movie into memory at once
[0:26] <Amadiro> whereas omxplayer most certainly loads it chunk-by-chunk
[0:26] <sheldor> Amadiro: these are software parameters. and this is my initial criticism
[0:26] <Amadiro> if you have a slow sd-card, that could quite possibly introduce some lag
[0:27] <sheldor> omxplayer must have some bad coding in it
[0:27] <sheldor> Amadiro: dude, on the same sd card it works perfectly fine! with the tutorial code
[0:27] <sheldor> hello_video.bin
[0:27] <Amadiro> sheldor, you are jumping to conclusions again.
[0:27] <sheldor> s/very/vary/ btw
[0:27] <KiltedPi> I like you Amadiro.
[0:27] <Amadiro> try to figure out the problem before making accusations
[0:27] <KiltedPi> The scientific process needs to win here
[0:28] <Amadiro> I already gave you several experiments you can conduct to shed light on the problem
[0:28] <Amadiro> if you're not willing to do them, well, its your problem, not mine
[0:28] <sheldor> Amadiro: can you explain why you still think 'the sd card' might be the problem?
[0:28] <Amadiro> sheldor, I just did, broham
[0:28] <sheldor> Amadiro: "for instance the test app may load the whole movie into memory at once" i call that a software parameter
[0:28] <KiltedPi> I'd go with the hypothesis it's loading the whole thing into memory, and not streaming it
[0:28] <sheldor> and this is my criticism as i said
[0:28] <Amadiro> sheldor, that is an invalid criticism, then
[0:28] <KiltedPi> if you've ruled out the afforementioned hardware problems
[0:29] <Amadiro> sheldor, because omxplayer could not possibly load a 10 gigabyte movie into RAM all at once
[0:29] <sheldor> the other software should do whatever produces the best result
[0:29] <KiltedPi> lol
[0:29] <KiltedPi> Yes, that would do it.
[0:29] <KiltedPi> Media files are big.
[0:29] <sheldor> Amadiro: oh you mean the tutorial video does this
[0:29] <sheldor> interesting
[0:29] <sheldor> that might explain why it didnt play my 1GB testfile
[0:29] <Amadiro> sheldor, just read its source code, dude
[0:29] <sheldor> you have a point Amadiro
[0:29] <Amadiro> well, duh
[0:29] <sheldor> actually bad coding might produce good results
[0:29] <sheldor> in certain cases
[0:29] <sheldor> but
[0:29] <Amadiro> well, duuuuh
[0:29] <sheldor> let me verify that
[0:29] <Amadiro> are you just discovering that now
[0:29] <sheldor> i will read the code
[0:30] <sheldor> and get back to u
[0:30] <sheldor> yes
[0:30] <sheldor> i will analyize the crap player
[0:30] <Amadiro> well, welcome to the real world of programming then, I guess...?
[0:30] <sheldor> analyze
[0:30] <Amadiro> anyway, I'm off to bed
[0:30] <Amadiro> good luck
[0:30] <KiltedPi> nite!
[0:30] <atouk> ami i the only one reading that as sheldon, and then hearing everythign he types in that voice?
[0:31] <sheldor> Amadiro: it could still trivially use a larger buffer to compensate bad sd cards
[0:31] <KiltedPi> I am hearing it yes :)
[0:31] <sheldor> Amadiro: and my sd card is blazing fast. well more than fast enough for hd video. verified class 10
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[0:31] <sheldor> so i still hold
[0:32] <sheldor> there is a problem with omxplayer
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[0:32] <sheldor> irrelevant of my "load entire video into mem" findings
[0:32] <sheldor> that i will produce after analyzing the code
[0:32] <sheldor> omxplayer isnt acquitted yet
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[0:33] <Wolfram74> hey, does anybody know where the magpi issue 9 went?
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[0:42] <sheldor> atouk: btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLe7X5FTccc
[0:44] <atouk> missed that episode ;)
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[0:46] <gordonDrogon> not watched any of them. well maybe one.
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[0:47] <gordonDrogon> seems to be aimed at younger people...
[0:47] <gordonDrogon> waiting for openshot to finish processing a video.
[0:47] <gordonDrogon> it's so slow.
[0:47] <gordonDrogon> if only they'd written it in C.
[0:49] <Wolfram74> does anybody else read MagPi?
[0:50] <atouk> sheldon/sheldor. either way, you're still doomed to a life in this channel where whatever you type will be read in his voice ;)
[0:51] <KiltedPi> I do Wolfram
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[0:51] <KiltedPi> I'm only on Issue 3 tho
[0:51] <KiltedPi> I'm building the OWI robotic arm as suggested in it
[0:52] <KiltedPi> My friends eight yr old lost a part of it tho
[0:52] <KiltedPi> :(
[0:52] <KiltedPi> A wee black bit of concentric plastic
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[0:53] <sheldor> lol atouk
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[0:55] <atouk> is that where you got the name?
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[0:57] <sheldor> yep
[0:57] <atouk> carefull with that. i used atouk as a gaming name 20+ years ago, and it sorta stuck
[0:58] <sheldor> lol
[0:58] <sheldor> let me google it
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[0:59] <l_r> hello
[0:59] <sheldor> Atouk (Starr) is a bullied and scrawny caveman living in "One Zillion BC ??? October 9th"[1] He lusts after the beautiful but shallow Lana (Bach), who is the mate of Tonda (Matuszak), their tribe's physically imposing bullying leader.
[0:59] <sheldor> lol
[0:59] <l_r> is there anything to control the raspberry via android mobile phones? i want to control what's going on the tv
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[1:01] <sheldor> l_r: xbmc android app
[1:01] <sheldor> for xbmc specific control
[1:02] <sheldor> l_r: otherwise ssh apps for console control
[1:02] <sheldor> l_r: vnc for general gui control
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[1:02] <l_r> sheldor, so the vnc server can be ran on the pi?
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[1:03] <l_r> sheldor, i want the screen control ..the xbmc sounds good
[1:04] <sheldor> l_r: yes
[1:05] <l_r> sheldor, is vnc installed by default?
[1:05] <l_r> i don't see it
[1:05] <l_r> any pck to suggest?
[1:05] <l_r> there are thousands of vnc servers if i remember well
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[1:07] <sheldor> l_r: dont think it is installed by default
[1:07] <sheldor> and sorry dont know the package name
[1:07] <sheldor> or a good one
[1:08] <l_r> sheldor, what about the wifi?
[1:09] <l_r> sheldor, i want it to start at boot
[1:09] <l_r> before x
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[1:10] <sheldor> l_r: trivial
[1:10] <sheldor> it does that automatically once set up
[1:10] <sheldor> at least on raspbian in lxde
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[1:10] <l_r> on lxde
[1:10] <l_r> yes
[1:10] <l_r> BUT
[1:10] <l_r> i want to ssh via wifi, so the pi must be connected
[1:11] <l_r> also without x running
[1:11] <l_r> lxde is a plus
[1:11] <sheldor> l_r: no, you set it up in lxde once, it then gets loaded during boot forever
[1:11] <l_r> or does lxde modify system files?
[1:11] <l_r> ok
[1:11] <sheldor> yep
[1:11] <sheldor> the lxde setup is just convenient
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[1:11] <l_r> yes , i see,thx
[1:12] <sheldor> np
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[1:20] <ryushe> anyone here install OpenELEC recently? Downloaded the zip file, but there's no img file at all
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[1:34] <ParkerR> ryushe, It's not an image. You run the included script along with the /dev/ entry for your sd card
[1:34] <ParkerR> (for linux)
[1:34] <ParkerR> ie sudo ./create_sdcard /dev/mmcblk0
[1:35] <ryushe> ah
[1:35] <dr_willis> making openelec? ;)
[1:35] <ryushe> I was expecting an img I could dd to a card
[1:35] <ParkerR> dr_willis, Naah
[1:35] <ParkerR> But it does all the partition formatting on the computer
[1:35] <ParkerR> So the Pi doesnt have to do as much
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[1:35] <ryushe> found it in the meantime, at http://openelec.thestateofme.com
[1:35] <dr_willis> they do a similer thing with openelec
[1:36] <dr_willis> theres premade images out there. but ive never needed them
[1:36] <ParkerR> ryushe, Those are still not images
[1:36] <ParkerR> It has the script along with the files it copies over
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[1:36] <dr_willis> I just use the script on my linux boxs
[1:37] <ryushe> eh? I'm looking at a 954.2mb .img file right now ?
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[1:37] <ParkerR> Umm I see 90mb images
[1:37] <ryushe> the downloaded zip was 90mb yes
[1:37] <ParkerR> That says empty
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[1:37] <ParkerR> Oh nvm
[1:37] <ryushe> unpacked I got a 954.2mb .img file
[1:38] <ryushe> lotsa empty space there it seems ;)
[1:38] <ParkerR> Umm
[1:38] <ParkerR> I guess jeeze
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[1:38] <ParkerR> ryushe, Just go with the script
[1:38] <Datalink|Elsewhe> http://hackaday.com/2013/01/17/raspberry-pi-power-controller-adds-shutdown-and-startup-functionality/
[1:38] <ParkerR> It will format the partitons to fit the SD card everything
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[1:39] <ryushe> I was trying to follow this: http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Installing_OpenELEC_on_Raspberry_Pi#tab=Mac_OSX, which says nothing about a script, but I'll give it a try then
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[1:41] <ParkerR> ryushe, Ahh ok
[1:41] <ParkerR> Do that then
[1:41] <ryushe> heh, the script wants parted, which doesn't exist on OSX
[1:42] <ParkerR> Didnt realize they had a different process from the linux
[1:42] <ryushe> I'll just dd the image I have to SD, and see what happens.
[1:42] <ParkerR> ryushe, Ok first problem first
[1:42] <ParkerR> Burn your Mac
[1:42] <ryushe> lol
[1:42] <ParkerR> Second
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[1:42] <ryushe> that would be an expensive mistake ;)
[1:42] <ParkerR> :P
[1:42] <ParkerR> Second: Use linux
[1:42] <ryushe> is this the famous
[1:42] <ryushe> 1) burn mac
[1:42] <ryushe> 2) ...
[1:42] <ryushe> 3) profit??
[1:43] <ParkerR> Haha
[1:43] <bbond007> my mac runs win8 great
[1:43] <ParkerR> bbond007, Ok thats better
[1:43] <ParkerR> At least you realize there are better options out there
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[1:44] <ryushe> this will sound like heresy, but coming from a *nix background, I switched to OSX in around 04 I think
[1:44] <bbond007> its an early 2009 mini, memory maxed to 8gb, drive replaced with SSD, and DVD replaced with 1TB HD
[1:44] <ryushe> still use linux on smaller systems though
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[1:45] <ryushe> although I can honestly say I'm pretty OS agnostic. Use the best tool for the job applies
[1:45] <swart> ryushe: a Mac is a pretty decent Unix box
[1:46] <ParkerR> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like
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[1:47] <swart> yeah all that legalize gets boring fast
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[1:47] <swart> legalese even :)
[1:48] <ryushe> well in that case, we should really all start to call it GNU/Linux again ;)
[1:48] <swart> but a mac is Unix the way Solaris is Unix. I guess Linux is "unix-like"
[1:48] <dr_willis> GNU lost that battle..
[1:48] <dr_willis> ;)
[1:48] <swart> long live GNU
[1:48] <dr_willis> lets call it Moo/Linux
[1:48] <ryushe> RMS might disagree with you on that ;)
[1:48] <dr_willis> RMS seems to have to do more and more wild anitics to get notied lately also.
[1:48] <dr_willis> noticed
[1:49] <ryushe> haha
[1:49] <swart> you think? I thought he seemed more reasonable
[1:49] <swart> there's a lot of people who seem to like to make him seem like a crazy person though
[1:49] <dr_willis> only time i see him mentioned is when he does wild stuff.. but i dont pay a lot of attention to the politics of computers latelyu
[1:49] <dr_willis> so it takes somthing big to get on my radar
[1:50] <dr_willis> went from reading all these blog/news feeds every day... to basically not reading anything. ;)
[1:50] <dr_willis> and im much calmer now.
[1:50] <swart> who needs politics when everyone is happy buying shiny consumer devices and letting the government and big media companies do whatever they want
[1:51] <dr_willis> i dont een know what apple and samsung are up to these days
[1:51] <swart> suing each other, but at least they aren't trying to put kids in jail
[1:51] <dr_willis> still bikering in court over pointless trivial patents i imagine
[1:52] <swart> well you'd do the same thing if you had billions of dollars at stake :)
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[1:52] <Coburn> Anyone know if a 1.2A USB power supply would be enough to run a R-Pi with a HSPA+ Modem?
[1:52] <dr_willis> and my friends all woinder why i tell them apple has done so much to hurt the computer 'ecosystem' ;)
[1:52] <l_r> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[1:52] <Coburn> apple is a bad word, use 'fruity computer company'
[1:52] <dr_willis> Coburn: for most wireless dongles ive always been told to use them on a powered hub.
[1:53] <l_r> any idea how to enable x forwarding?
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[1:53] <Coburn> l_r: using PuTTY?
[1:53] <swart> whatever. apple gives me a nice unix box so I don't have to mess with cygin anymore.
[1:53] <swart> cygwin even
[1:53] <l_r> no
[1:53] <dr_willis> cygin - another product ive not heard about in ages. ;)
[1:53] <ryushe> Coburn: just finished a project with a Huawei 3G dongle, and that required a powered USB hub in order to work properly
[1:53] <l_r> it's ubuntu connecting to raspberry: ssh -Y pi@192.168.1.6
[1:53] <swart> everyone has lots of choice. I hear people are even using raspis as their primary computing device :)
[1:54] <Coburn> There goes that idea of using the R-Pi as a cheap 3G router
[1:54] <Coburn> And power plugs... >_>
[1:54] <dr_willis> My main desktop pc is a Pi right now.
[1:54] <dr_willis> but all i do on it is IRC basically
[1:54] <Coburn> dr_willis: yeah, and performance?
[1:54] <ryushe> swart: much as like the raspberries I've had so far, I wouldn't want this as my main computer ;)
[1:54] <Coburn> Or is it like a thin term?
[1:55] <dr_willis> its just a console box. ;)
[1:55] <dr_willis> Running znc and a few other things
[1:55] <ryushe> Coburn: one cable from the wall to USB hub, which powers both the pi and the modem. 2 cables between pi and hub, one for power, one for USB.
[1:55] <ryushe> simple
[1:56] <Coburn> Hmm... Looking at eBay
[1:56] <Coburn> there's bus powered ones but I want AC powered
[1:56] <dr_willis> ryushe: someone in here yesterday said that the pi can 'somehow' get powered by a usb cable going into its normal usb ports... but ive never seen that befor.
[1:56] <ryushe> I can give you my exact setup if you want
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[1:57] <ryushe> dr_willis: I don't believe that for one second.
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[1:58] <Coburn> ryushe: it's possible
[1:59] <Coburn> I did that using a USB cable to a power bank (USB Power bank used for feeding phones juice) and into a sheevaplug
[1:59] <dr_willis> but it took a special cable?
[1:59] <Coburn> I got a Male to Male USB lead, connected one into my power banks' 1Amp out and plugged it into the Plug
[1:59] <Coburn> problem is
[1:59] <Coburn> you had to "zap" the plug with AC
[2:00] <Coburn> then disconnect AC
[2:00] <Coburn> viola, running on USB power!
[2:00] <Coburn> The SheevaPlug had a AC adapter built-in, you see
[2:00] <Coburn> when it was running off USB power, it was a portable box
[2:01] <Coburn> of course, if I stressed it, I ran the risk of a reset due to more current wanted than it can get
[2:01] <l_r> Why?????? ---> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
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[2:01] <Coburn> google it
[2:01] <swart> did you do xhost + ?
[2:01] <l_r> the raspberry has X11Forwarding enabled on the server
[2:01] <Coburn> "x11 forwarding using ssh command line"
[2:01] <l_r> yes
[2:01] <l_r> i did
[2:01] <swart> ssh -v ?
[2:02] <l_r> Coburn, i have done everything
[2:02] <dr_willis> xhost shouldent keepbit form connecting
[2:02] <swart> just throwing stuff out there :)
[2:02] <Coburn> ryushe: I would go with your setup but problem is, I have MicroUSB power adapters and I gotta use them
[2:02] <Coburn> otherwise I wasted money
[2:02] <ryushe> heh
[2:03] <Coburn> actually, stuff it
[2:03] <Coburn> I'll use my dreamplug
[2:03] <Coburn> that would be a better option.
[2:04] <l_r> it's incredible really
[2:04] <l_r> i have always used it fine
[2:04] <l_r> not with the raspberry
[2:04] <Coburn> using correct passwords?
[2:05] <l_r> Coburn, of course. i can login, i type a command using X and i get that message
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[2:06] <ryushe> bah, the openelec image I copied to the card doesn't work. it boots, then begins to bitch about missing a partition ;(
[2:06] <sheldor> okay i cannot figure out why omxplayer is such a fail
[2:06] <sheldor> the hello_video example also buffers
[2:06] <sheldor> it doesnt load everything into ram
[2:06] <sheldor> it seems
[2:06] <l_r> nonne has an idea?
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[2:12] <user82> has anyone tested this? http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter
[2:12] <dr_willis> l_r: pastebin the sesdion and commands so we can see them. may help us
[2:13] <l_r> ok
[2:13] <user82> which audio system is running on the pi? alsa, pulse?
[2:13] <dr_willis> depends on the os.
[2:13] <dr_willis> alsa and pulse
[2:13] <dr_willis> snce pulse uses alsa
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[2:14] <user82> dr_willis with the default debian system?
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[2:14] <user82> i think it is quite possible to get pulse audio into a wav file and transmit it then?
[2:15] <dr_willis> user82: you mean rasbian?
[2:15] <sheldor> user82: also sdl
[2:15] <sheldor> and i would remove pulse
[2:15] <sheldor> only had problems with it
[2:16] <l_r> dr_willis, http://pastebin.com/yVqd3mYP Raspbian
[2:16] <dr_willis> pulse is a layer on top of alsa. havent messed with sdl in ages
[2:17] <dr_willis> l_r: instead of xkill try a simple 'xterm' perhaps?
[2:18] <l_r> dr_willis, i tried , xterm is not there
[2:18] <l_r> in raspbian
[2:18] <dr_willis> if you want to kill an app . you can use the kill command
[2:18] <l_r> no, i just wanted to try an x command
[2:18] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install xterm perhaps? or try some other simple x app. not xkill
[2:18] <l_r> no matter what
[2:19] <l_r> let me see
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[2:20] <dr_willis> also try with -X or -X inestea of -Y - one turns off X forarding, one turns it on.. x = on i think X = off (upper case)
[2:20] <dr_willis> it looks like its turned on from the display variable..
[2:21] <dr_willis> i ssh into my pi all the time. but never use X forwarding.
[2:21] <dr_willis> i rarely run X on my pi
[2:21] <l_r> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[2:21] <dr_willis> got a job.. i will be back in a little bit.. good luck.
[2:25] <UnaClocker> It's supposed to be a capitol X..
[2:25] <l_r> yes
[2:25] <l_r> what's wrong. i am really stuck
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[2:26] <UnaClocker> What OS are you trying to ssh from?
[2:27] <l_r> UnaClocker, ubuntu 11.10
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[2:32] <l_r> is this normal?
[2:32] <l_r> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ ls .Xauthority -l
[2:32] <l_r> -rw------- 1 pi pi 0 gen 18 02:30 .Xauthority
[2:32] <l_r> 0 bytes?
[2:32] <Coburn> rm it, start xorg again
[2:32] <UnaClocker> Mine is 56..
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[2:34] <Coburn> -rw------- 1 coburn coburn 59 Jan 17 13:21 .Xauthority
[2:34] <Coburn> That's off my PC here
[2:34] <Coburn> most likely you have a stale file
[2:35] <l_r> could you paste your df -h , just the rootfs
[2:35] <l_r> there's something strange
[2:35] <l_r> i have 0 available space but used space is 100 mb inferior than totale space
[2:35] <l_r> the math does not work
[2:36] <Coburn> . /dev/sda1 451G 4.2G 442G 1% /
[2:36] <l_r> rootfs 1,8G 1,7G 0 100% /
[2:36] <l_r> see?
[2:36] <Coburn> Okay, there's your issue
[2:36] <l_r> that 0
[2:36] <Coburn> The rest is reserved for the root user
[2:36] <Coburn> How big is your SD?
[2:36] <l_r> 4gb
[2:36] <Coburn> You need to resize the partition
[2:37] <l_r> i have two partions
[2:37] <l_r> 1,8 gb each one
[2:37] <Coburn> one bootloader and one root?
[2:37] <Coburn> why both 1.8GB?
[2:37] <Coburn> also, you could try apt-get clean
[2:37] <l_r> ooo
[2:37] <Coburn> to free up some space
[2:37] <l_r> now i see the problem
[2:37] <UnaClocker> 4gb is awefully small..
[2:38] <l_r> the img i dd to the card was 2 gb long
[2:38] <l_r> not 4gb
[2:38] <Coburn> yep
[2:38] <Coburn> so you need to resize it
[2:38] <l_r> with rasp-config?
[2:38] <Coburn> don't use rasp-config
[2:38] <Coburn> use a linux machine with gparted
[2:38] <l_r> that's why the x11 server did not start correctly probably
[2:38] <Coburn> yup
[2:38] <l_r> ok
[2:38] <l_r> let me see
[2:38] <Coburn> I recommend PartedMagic Live CD
[2:38] <Coburn> It's a distro that runs off a disc. Great tool that
[2:39] <Coburn> Download and burn, reboot
[2:39] <l_r> i think i ll have to start everything from scratch again
[2:39] <Coburn> No no
[2:39] <Coburn> After resizing
[2:39] <l_r> since i don't know since when i did not have free space
[2:39] <Coburn> the R-PI will be fine!
[2:39] <l_r> yes but after installing the raspbian i made a lot of changes
[2:39] <l_r> and did not care about space at all
[2:39] <l_r> i thought it was enough
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[2:39] <Coburn> well
[2:40] <Coburn> before resizing
[2:40] <Coburn> try apt-get clean
[2:40] <l_r> i did it
[2:40] <Coburn> and then do df
[2:40] <l_r> the same
[2:40] <Coburn> how much space did you get
[2:40] <Coburn> oh
[2:40] <Coburn> hm
[2:40] <Coburn> okay, then you need to resize
[2:40] <Coburn> use partedmagic like I said
[2:40] <Datalink> Coburn, Raspi-config's bee classed as safe for months, for expanding partitions
[2:40] <l_r> ok
[2:40] <Coburn> I don't trust it
[2:40] <l_r> eheh
[2:40] <Coburn> expanding partitions while system is running = No
[2:40] <l_r> partedmagic is text based
[2:41] <l_r> right?
[2:41] <Coburn> no, GUI
[2:41] <Coburn> optional console base
[2:41] <l_r> ok
[2:41] <Coburn> http://partedmagic.com/
[2:41] <UnaClocker> I like GParted
[2:42] <Datalink> Coburn, uh... it's safe... raspi-config requires a restart after the change because it's an MBR edit, EXT4 just needs a number changed to expand
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[2:42] <Coburn> Datalink: still, i do not like editing things while system is running
[2:42] <Coburn> I have had bad things (TM) happen
[2:42] <Datalink> Coburn, an expand operation is non-destructive though
[2:42] <Coburn> I know that
[2:43] <Coburn> I still do not recommend it as like I stated, but if one wants to do so, by all means feel free to
[2:43] <Datalink> doing destructive things on live partitions is bad, non-destructive like growing is not going to cause issues
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[2:43] <Coburn> I prefer to do all disk operations manually, where if things happen I can recover
[2:44] <Coburn> PartedMagic saves my butt every time
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[2:44] <Datalink> Coburn, unless someone's dedicated a lot of time to config, they can dd a new image on the SD card...
[2:44] <Coburn> Well my arguement is moot then
[2:45] <Coburn> do as you wish; I will just to things externally to make sure I know what's going on
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[3:20] <steve_rox> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdTpvn2fsV8
[3:20] <steve_rox> live feed detected
[3:20] <steve_rox> any interest?
[3:22] <TAFB> freaky
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[3:22] <TAFB> could never get my google hangouts to work on live youtube :(
[3:22] <TAFB> damn YOUTUBE! I'm da damn partnet, in good standing, just enable the damn LIVE for me!!!
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[3:28] <steve_rox> was luck i was searching for pi vids of the day
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[5:47] <HylianSavior> i have a 4.1V LiPo for my RasPi
[5:48] <HylianSavior> will USB work if I replace the 5V reg with a boost switching regulator
[5:48] <HylianSavior> or are the USB power lines tied to the power USB
[5:51] <rikkib> Personally I wound never run a RPi off battery power without a way of shutting it down when the voltage is such that the RPi starts operating outside specifications. You will coorupt the sd card every time.
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[5:52] <HylianSavior> hmm
[5:53] <HylianSavior> well you can have an ADC hooked up to the battery
[5:53] <HylianSavior> and just monitor it
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[5:54] <HylianSavior> but ADCs use the power rails as reference, don't they...
[5:54] <HylianSavior> so i'd need a voltage reference as well
[5:54] <HylianSavior> what a pain
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[5:55] <rikkib> All is possible but at what expense?
[5:55] <HylianSavior> indeed...
[5:55] <rikkib> Check out buck boosters
[5:55] <HylianSavior> to replace the 5v_reg
[5:55] <HylianSavior> ?
[5:56] <rikkib> Perhaps they have facility to put out a signal when the voltage gets to a certain level
[5:57] <rikkib> No as an addition... Bat -> buck booster to 5.3 - 5.5v -> power into RPi
[5:57] <HylianSavior> hmm
[5:58] <rikkib> You can power the RPi via the miniusb or the gpio
[5:59] <rikkib> Via the gpio requires an external polyfuse to replace the onboard one bypassed by powering via gpio
[6:00] <HylianSavior> i'm also using a display controller board that blinks some LEDs when the battery level gets too low
[6:00] <HylianSavior> I could potentially just tie a pullup to the LED output and have it trigger a shutdown routine on the PI
[6:00] <HylianSavior> hmm
[6:00] <rikkib> Sure
[6:00] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/stm32-rpi.jpg
[6:01] <HylianSavior> it's a 3V3 device
[6:01] <HylianSavior> but i guess that doesn't matter with a boost buck
[6:01] <rikkib> polyfuse is the yellow thing on the vero board in the pic
[6:01] <HylianSavior> i see
[6:01] <rikkib> I use a dc-dc to power the stm32v
[6:02] <rikkib> and the polyfuse is for that
[6:02] <rikkib> stm32 runs from 5v
[6:02] <rikkib> and could potentially do all you need to do
[6:02] <rikkib> plus more
[6:03] <rikkib> eventually I will add another polyfuse to power the RPi
[6:04] <rikkib> That is a play around system I will work on over time when I have finished current commercial porjects
[6:04] <rikkib> Or those very same projects fail.
[6:05] <HylianSavior> http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/2119
[6:05] <HylianSavior> seems to be what i want
[6:06] <HylianSavior> isn't it rather inefficient to run all the current through a switching regulator
[6:06] <HylianSavior> into two LDOs
[6:06] <rikkib> the serial adapter in the pic is from them
[6:06] <rikkib> pl2303
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[6:08] <BigShip> mwahaha, bringing entertainment to RPi's accross the world
[6:08] <BigShip> hi
[6:08] <rikkib> Expensive... dc-dc that I use is $3USD or so
[6:08] <HylianSavior> it is pololu after all...
[6:08] <rikkib> But I do not think that is what you want
[6:08] <HylianSavior> do you know any place that sells dc-dc boards
[6:09] <HylianSavior> hmm why not?
[6:09] <rikkib> dc-dc will not boost
[6:09] <HylianSavior> sure it can
[6:09] <HylianSavior> dc-dc = switching, right?
[6:10] <HylianSavior> you can put them into boost or buck configuration
[6:10] <rikkib> Yes 100khz
[6:10] <HylianSavior> > It takes an input voltage from 2.7 V to 11.8 V and increases or decreases the voltage to a fixed 5 V output with a typical efficiency of 90%.
[6:10] <HylianSavior> i think i'm reading this correctly
[6:10] <rikkib> I don't like reading web sites for data... I always go for chip data sheets
[6:10] <BigShip> :(
[6:11] <knoppies> hello BigShip
[6:11] <rikkib> You need to look for a buck booster that will do 3 - 4 range and boost to 5.5v
[6:11] <HylianSavior> isn't USB 5V
[6:12] <BigShip> yay, hi knoppies
[6:12] <knoppies> what is bringing entertainment to RPis across the world?
[6:12] <rikkib> On board reg drops V
[6:12] <knoppies> HylianSavior, unless USB3.0 changed it (and I dont think it did) its 5V.
[6:12] <BigShip> um... beer, creative coding, too much freetime, and lack of sleep
[6:12] <knoppies> rikkib, oh.
[6:12] <HylianSavior> is that reason to provide extra voltage
[6:12] <rikkib> Even powering gpio needs more that 5v to get stable 4.75v which I aim for
[6:13] <HylianSavior> hmm
[6:13] <HylianSavior> i see
[6:13] <rikkib> tp1 to tp2 are the measurement points
[6:13] <rikkib> You will see those points on the board... stick meter leads in each.
[6:14] <rikkib> test for emf (V)
[6:15] <rikkib> For memory cause I did not write it down I ran the dc-dc to about 5.35 - 5.45v
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[6:16] <rikkib> when I powered the RPi from the miniusb
[6:16] <brady2600> ok this might be an arduino question but
[6:16] <rikkib> same V I had at tp1 tp2 when running from 1.2A plug pack
[6:17] <HylianSavior> well this DC-DC looks like it can give out <=1A
[6:17] <brady2600> im on my raspberry pi, and i looked in the home directory for hidden folders for my .arduino folder, where i thought my libraries should be.. but i don't see it in there
[6:17] <HylianSavior> as the battery ramps down
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[6:17] <HylianSavior> as long as i can provide the amperage shouldn't a straight up 5V be fine?
[6:17] <brady2600> anyone have any ideas where i might find it on my raspbian system?
[6:18] <rikkib> RPi draws 450mA
[6:18] <rikkib> headless
[6:18] <rikkib> ls -al
[6:18] <rikkib> brad
[6:19] <rikkib> /usr/lib
[6:19] <rikkib> /usr/local/lib
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[6:23] <HylianSavior> maybe i should just buy a 7.4V LiPo instead...
[6:24] * ShadowJK would worry more about getting 7.4V lipo management right
[6:26] <HylianSavior> what to do...
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[6:28] <brady2600> humm.. still not finding the arduino libraries folder on raspbian
[6:28] <rikkib> ldconfig -v | less
[6:29] <rikkib> find out what the lib paths are
[6:29] <brady2600> lol thats why i came here.
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[6:30] <HylianSavior> hmm
[6:30] <HylianSavior> what happens if
[6:30] <HylianSavior> i connect the 4.1V LiPo straight to the microusb
[6:30] <HylianSavior> leave the 3V3 reg alone
[6:30] <HylianSavior> and connect a 5V boost converter in place of the current 5V LDO
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[6:32] <rikkib> You are still faced with what happens when the voltage below spec
[6:32] <rikkib> drops
[6:33] <HylianSavior> i can hook into the battery sensing circuit of my display controller
[6:33] <HylianSavior> and it should be fine, I suppose
[6:34] <dpea> a webcam recommendation for linux distros on rpi that works okay please?
[6:34] <ParkerR> dpea, Anything that supports uvc
[6:34] <ParkerR> *UVC
[6:35] <dpea> uvc ??? gspca right?
[6:35] <rikkib> Oh no...
[6:35] <ParkerR> Umm I dont think its the same thing
[6:35] <rikkib> I run web cams
[6:35] <dpea> i mean uvc is better than gspca support iirc
[6:35] <ParkerR> dpea, Oh its just the thing that replaced UVC
[6:36] <ParkerR> gspca webcams then came uvc webcams
[6:36] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
[6:36] <rikkib> Uses uvc cam
[6:36] <ParkerR> "gspca is a kernel driver module intended as a major effort to support many different bridge interface chipsets used in pre UVC webcams, which, taken collectively, are known as gspca devices."
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[6:36] <rikkib> and an old kernel dating back to the 7th month last year
[6:36] <gh403> Question: would a heatsink on the Pi's SoC do any good?
[6:37] <ParkerR> gh403, It does help but is not needed much
[6:37] <rikkib> Why do i run an old kernel I hear you ask
[6:37] <gh403> ParkerR: even with overclocking?
[6:37] <dpea> seems like gspca is stuck on < 3.3.x from what i read
[6:37] <rikkib> The current one is broken and crashes motion
[6:37] <ParkerR> gh403, It is designed to work under higher conditions
[6:38] <rikkib> and other apps that use uvc
[6:38] <knoppies> rikkib, which kernal do you use?
[6:38] <rikkib> 3.0.9
[6:38] <gh403> ok. So instability at higher clock speed is unrelated to temperature (in this use case, anyway)?
[6:38] <rikkib> Hang on that may be wrong.. i will check
[6:38] <dpea> right. 2-3 hours till my rpi arrives, i should order a set of copper stick heatsinks
[6:39] <rikkib> Linux alarmpi 3.1.9+ #168 PREEMPT Sat Jul 14 18:56:31 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[6:39] <ParkerR> gh403, Unless it's 80C+ you should be fine
[6:39] <gh403> ok, that's what I wanted to know. Thanks!
[6:39] <ParkerR> vcgencmd measure_temp to see
[6:40] <rikkib> http://122.61.65.146:8081 Headless test cam at clients place
[6:40] <knoppies> thanks rikkib
[6:40] <rikkib> I use raspbian and you can find old images on the net
[6:40] <dpea> sexi motion detector
[6:41] <rikkib> The same guy that has the gpio diagrams
[6:41] <knoppies> rikkib, doesn't the camera stop working every now and then? I keep getting some USB error.
[6:41] <rikkib> has a store of old images
[6:41] <rikkib> Cam on new kernel with error within minutes rather than hours
[6:42] <rikkib> Cam on old kernel just keeps on rolling
[6:42] <knoppies> what software do you use on the Pi to grab the images? Is it motion?
[6:43] <rikkib> The cam at 122.61 has been online since before Christmas and no crash at all... All issues have been people doing things they should not
[6:43] <rikkib> twice turning off the hub connecting the RPi cam
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[6:44] <rikkib> I use motion on the cams and as a proxy on gateways to agrigate
[6:44] <rikkib> Sorry folks dinner time in NZ
[6:44] <nickgaw> Hi, in the config.txt or the cmdline.txt file what is the proper method for loading an initramfs image compressed with gzip?
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[6:56] <Shift_> nickgaw I'd use a kernel with the initramfs built in
[6:57] <Shift_> A bit of googlinc says you can do it in config.txt as well
[6:57] <Shift_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=10532
[7:02] <nickgaw> I am trying to rebuild the initramfs installer so it has network console support for raspbian so I can do an installation over ssh.
[7:03] <nickgaw> I have modified the preseed.cfg file and rebuilt the initramfs file with cpio and gzip but not sure if I should change just config.txt or both that file and cmdline.txt as well.
[7:04] <Shift_> The link I gave you has the info, but I don't know how well it works. When I was doing something similar, I had the initramfs image built into the kernel rather than a separate file. Either methods should suit your needs.
[7:05] <Shift_> Except I built my initramfs image using buildroot.
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[7:06] <nickgaw> what configuration option in .config is where I set the path to the initramfs.gz file as I can't find it?
[7:06] <Shift_> Did you click the link?
[7:07] <nickgaw> am reading it now
[7:16] <nickgaw> ok not much help as I have no clue about the ram address of the initramfs file and would like to learn how to patch an initramfs directly into my kernel from reading on that page it sounds like it is possible to do so on a precompiled kernel but no directions on doing this or how to rebuild a kernel with the prebuilt initramfs installed into it?
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[7:17] <Shift_> Unfortunately, I don't know how to do it with a precompiled kernel.
[7:17] <Shift_> But I am sure you'll find lots of information if you google around a bit.
[7:17] <nickgaw> ok how about rebuilding the kernel with the initramfs compiled into it?
[7:18] <Shift_> have you cross-compiled a kernel before?
[7:18] <nickgaw> yes
[7:18] <nickgaw> have rebuilt the raspberrypi kernel on my debian system.
[7:18] <nickgaw> using the cross compile methods
[7:18] <Shift_> it's in the config somewhere, you specify the filename of the ramfs file and it gets built in when you compile.
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[7:19] <Shift_> But yeah, google is your friend in this case. I know there is lots of information out there regarding this. I don't have it memorised though.
[7:19] <brady2600> shift
[7:20] <Shift_> aye
[7:20] <brady2600> have you ever used arduino ide on raspberry pi?
[7:20] <Shift_> nope
[7:21] <rikkib> brady2600, Did you find your lib?
[7:21] <brady2600> i can't for the life of me find the libraries folder, no. Ive searched on google , debian arduino libraries file path , etc
[7:22] <ParkerR> brady2600, Are you sure it makes one by default?
[7:22] <ParkerR> You might have to create it
[7:22] <brady2600> im not sure of it, nor know where it would go.
[7:22] <ParkerR> brady2600, Try ls ~/.arduino/
[7:23] <rikkib> apt-get install locate and then run updatedb to populate the db locate uses then you can run locate arduino or variations of that.
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[7:29] <nickgaw> ok I found it removed initramfs from .config which was not set then ram make oldconfig and entered in the path to my gzip initramfs is this the proper method for doing this?
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[7:30] <brady2600> not really following that rickkib
[7:30] <rikkib> locate is an application to find stuff
[7:31] <Shift_> nickgaw, it has been a while, but sounds about right. The kernel file size will be a good indicator of whether it worked.
[7:31] <rikkib> It is not installed in the default install
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[7:31] <rikkib> sudo apt-get install locate
[7:31] <rikkib> installs it
[7:32] <rikkib> Once installed sudo updatedb loads the data base it uses
[7:32] <rikkib> Then you can run locate some-string
[7:33] <rikkib> sudo if you are not root
[7:33] <rikkib> sudo may not be needed to but I am always running as root
[7:34] <nickgaw> ok now got an error about unknown file type when doing the initramfs including into the kernel. Does the initramfs image need to be compressed with gzip or should I just leave it as a cpio archive?
[7:34] <rikkib> updatedb is run on a regular basis in a daily cron job to keep the db up to date
[7:34] <axion> on arch linux, users added to the locate group can use slocate or relatives
[7:35] <Shift_> nickgaw, You can specify which compression method to use, it's all in the kernel config.
[7:37] <Shift_> http://free-electrons.com/kerneldoc/latest/early-userspace/README
[7:38] <Shift_> Again, I can't help much other than to say it's possible and I've done it, but it was too lond ago. Sorry =(
[7:38] <brady2600> ok rikkib.. i managed to follow what you said.. but im unsure of what im trying to locate, if i just search libraries im sure ill find probably not what im looking for
[7:39] <nickgaw> found that kernel compression but still am getting the errors. I will ask on the forum or another channel
[7:40] <rikkib> I dare say the lib will have a name related to it
[7:40] <Shift_> good luck
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[7:40] <rikkib> adr whatever
[7:40] <rikkib> so try sudo locate adr
[7:41] <rikkib> or locate libadr
[7:41] <rikkib> or locate lib-adr
[7:42] <rikkib> libs have extention ".so"
[7:42] <brady2600> wait
[7:42] <rikkib> meaning shared object
[7:42] <brady2600> im talking about the libraries folder for arduiino
[7:42] <brady2600> like where you place additional libraries
[7:42] <brady2600> normally in windows its right in the program folder
[7:43] <rikkib> You have installed a library?
[7:43] <brady2600> no, i want to add time.h
[7:43] <SwK> you know??? raspi revC ??? drop the SD card, add mSATA interface would be cool
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[7:44] <rikkib> Ok... Sounds like I got the wrong ned of the stick
[7:44] <rikkib> end
[7:45] <rikkib> You are missing a header file? time.h
[7:45] <brady2600> yes when i try to compile something
[7:45] <brady2600> i am missing time.h
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[7:45] <rikkib> ahhh
[7:45] <brady2600> ive downloaded it, but im using raspbian , can't figure out where it goes
[7:46] <rikkib> time.h is a c library header file
[7:46] <brady2600> ive looked in the home folder, inside the hidden .arduino folder
[7:46] <brady2600> no
[7:46] <brady2600> there is another time.h , for arduino
[7:46] <rikkib> apt-get install libc-dev may get it
[7:46] <brady2600> no im .. arggh
[7:47] <brady2600> its not the normal time.h associated with c
[7:47] <rikkib> Install it in the same dir as your source code then
[7:47] <brady2600> let me rephrase
[7:48] <brady2600> nevermind.. that just brings me back to my original question
[7:48] <rikkib> #include <time.h>
[7:48] <brady2600> yes of course
[7:48] <brady2600> thats where the problem happens, because its not located
[7:48] <brady2600> i need to add it
[7:49] <rikkib> #include "time.h" variation
[7:49] <rikkib> #include "/dir/to/your/source/time.h"
[7:49] <Triffid_Hunter> brady2600: /usr/avr somewhere perhaps?
[7:50] <Triffid_Hunter> brady2600: avr-gcc -print-search-dirs may give some hints
[7:51] <rikkib> Thanks triffid. I have no experience with avr.
[7:52] <rikkib> and have been struggling helping brady
[7:52] <brady2600> don't see /usr/avr
[7:52] <Triffid_Hunter> rikkib: it's just a standard gcc cross-toolchain
[7:52] <brady2600> running the next thing
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[7:53] <Eartaker> woot, got the mini bluetooth keyboard auto connecting on reboot
[7:53] <brady2600> avr~gcc -print-search-dirs
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[7:54] <Triffid_Hunter> brady2600: what does your time.h provide? my avr-libc doesn't have one..
[7:57] <brady2600> it allows you to use a number of time functions
[7:57] <Triffid_Hunter> brady2600: what time functions? if the avr-libc binary doesn't have them, then you'll just get unresolved symbol errors
[7:58] <brady2600> i found my way to /usr/lib/gcc/avr/4.7.2, which was listed as the libraries folder from running that command before, however, it doesn't appear how the libraries folder would normally appear, a number of folders with the standard arduino libraries and such..
[7:59] <Triffid_Hunter> brady2600: don't know much about arduino but done plenty with programming the avr chips on arduino hardware directly
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[8:00] <brady2600> well.. normally there is a folder named libraries right in the program folder
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[8:00] <nickgaw> Hi, I found the issue. the initramfs is to be a raw cpio uncompressed initramfs.
[8:00] <brady2600> like for instance, if i was to download the application directly from the arduino site, it would have a libraries folder right in there.
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[8:01] <brady2600> but ive sudo apt-get install arduino 'ed it
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[8:01] <Triffid_Hunter> brady2600: there's a dpkg command that tells you where it put all the files
[8:02] <Triffid_Hunter> not sure what it is, google knows
[8:04] <Gr33n3gg> dpkg -L packagename
[8:04] <Triffid_Hunter> brady2600: ^^
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[8:05] <Triffid_Hunter> I haven't used debian in about a decade, bit rusty with apt and friends :)
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[8:16] <aDro> I notice that a few people have plugged their RPi directly into the hub that is plugged into the usb and wall outlet.
[8:17] <dr_willis> My Pi is powered by a Powered usb HUB
[8:17] <dr_willis> well both of them are. ;)
[8:18] <dr_willis> had no issues
[8:18] <aDro> Would the hub provide enough power? Wouldn't the hub cap the USB Power output at .5amps?
[8:18] <aDro> Just like a computer's Usb Port?
[8:18] <dr_willis> depends on the hub and its PS size
[8:18] <dr_willis> I am running the pis power cable from a port on the hub to the pi
[8:18] <dr_willis> thst uses up one port on the hub.. which is a annoyance
[8:18] <dr_willis> but saves me a wall outlet
[8:18] <aDro> One usb hub port or two outlets on the wall?
[8:19] <aDro> yeah
[8:19] <dr_willis> wall -> hub --> pi
[8:19] <dr_willis> lose a USB port on the hub.. gain a plugin spot on the wall. ;)
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[8:21] <dr_willis> Im using a single Pi with 2 powreed usb hubs now. so i have lots of USB ports. and using 2 wall plugs for the hubs
[8:22] <aDro> Haha, Can't use the one hub to power the other?
[8:22] <aDro> Is there a way I can check the voltage of the RPi without a voltmeter?
[8:22] <dr_willis> then it would be an unpowred usb hub..
[8:22] <dr_willis> or underpowered
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[8:22] <aDro> is there info I can search for in the terminal?
[8:22] <dr_willis> not seen a software way to monitor voltage
[8:23] <dr_willis> you can get a cheap voltmeter for like $10
[8:23] <aDro> Doesn't the Bios for most Desktop and Laptop PCs display that information?
[8:23] <aDro> Yeah, I might just have too, for science.
[8:23] <Triffid_Hunter> aDro: most hubs don't monitor the power at all, they just have a 500mA polyfuse
[8:23] <dr_willis> i got an old voltmeter form ages back.. it has a serial port for logging and stuff. ;)
[8:24] <dr_willis> was hight end ages ago.. 12+ yrs back
[8:24] <aDro> dr_willis: Probably will out live all the cheaply made devices on the market today
[8:24] <aDro> Everything is made with a product lifetime in mind.
[8:24] <aDro> Usually that lifetime is short so the company can sell more products.
[8:25] <aDro> Triffid_Hunter: The Polyfuse is the cap?
[8:25] <aDro> Triffid_Hunter: That would under-power the RPi.
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[8:27] <dr_willis> an underpowered pi is a sad pi.
[8:27] <dr_willis> ;^(
[8:27] <ParkerR> :'(
[8:27] <ParkerR> :,(
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[8:28] <dr_willis> 'Hi Im Polyfuse, the sad underpowered pi Mascot'
[8:28] <dr_willis> ;)
[8:28] <rikkib> lol
[8:28] <dr_willis> I still think Zeiner Diods got the coolest name...
[8:29] <rikkib> zener
[8:29] <dr_willis> theres so much industurial electronic stuff laying just feet from me ... i can see Capaciters the size of big soup cans...
[8:30] <dr_willis> resisters the size of paper towle tubes.. think those go in the laser welders.
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[8:30] <dr_willis> at least i think its a resistor. ;) sort of a dark brown glass like coteing on them
[8:31] <rikkib> ceramic
[8:31] <rikkib> wire wound
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[8:32] <dr_willis> Yep. We got industural welders here. theres some high power on them
[8:32] <rikkib> Big rf tubes as well?
[8:32] <dr_willis> laser welders
[8:32] <aDro> dr_willis: What USB Hubs are you using to power your pis?
[8:32] <aDro> I want to google them
[8:33] <dr_willis> theres part of the welder thsats the size of a small car. with big blowers and full of C02, helium and other gass that makes the beam
[8:33] <rikkib> Hmm diff tech... Plastic welders sue tubes I think
[8:33] <dr_willis> aDro: just one i grabbed from Staples.
[8:33] <dr_willis> we are welding steel parts for transmissions
[8:33] <aDro> Generic brand?
[8:34] <dr_willis> aDro: the staples brand i grabbed. had ports on all 4 sides. ;)
[8:34] <aDro> I would assume my Belkin willl provide the power if the Polyfuse doesn't make it stuck at 500mAmps
[8:34] <dr_willis> was like $25
[8:34] <aDro> reasonable
[8:34] <dr_willis> powered usb hubs are getting a little hard to find
[8:34] <rikkib> I used to maintain a Trump and a <sp>Cincinaty<sp/> lasers
[8:34] <dr_willis> Unpowered come in all sorts of weird sizes
[8:34] <dr_willis> rikkib: you got it.. we got some Trump welders
[8:35] <dr_willis> actually i think we got rid of those.. and kept the older ones.. not sure what brand they are
[8:35] <rikkib> 1/4 inch stainless
[8:35] <dr_willis> we are doing hubs and transmission parts
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[8:36] <ParkerR> Or http://i.imgur.com/yDH8x.jpg
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[8:36] <dr_willis> lots of big power controllers for CNC machines also.. i could get up to my eyeballs in parts if i had a soldering gun
[8:36] <ParkerR> The crappy hub that is actually kinda decent
[8:36] <ParkerR> "Its so crappy its good"
[8:36] <aDro> Lots of Generic Products seem to be the best for RPi
[8:37] <aDro> because they use standard and common chips and drivers
[8:37] <ParkerR> Came with a pitiful 500mAh supply
[8:37] <ParkerR> Hacked up the end to a normal USB cable to use it with a 2A adapter
[8:38] <aDro> Belkin power supply is 5Vs
[8:38] <aDro> Volts
[8:38] <ParkerR> Backpowers the Pi but can't rely on that for the only power supply. The Pi can only take in 500mAh through backpower
[8:38] <rikkib> Used to fix machines for cnc lathes for cutting contact lenses that ran cpm on ibm pc xt
[8:39] <ParkerR> Scared me when it powered on with nothing plugged inot the micro USB
[8:39] <rikkib> 1990's
[8:39] <ParkerR> *into
[8:39] <rikkib> Programs ran from 5 1/4 floppies
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[8:46] <aDro> I wonder if my Pi is underpowered
[8:46] <aDro> I need a Voltmeter now :(
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[8:47] <ParkerR> aDro, Yeah. Need to fig mine out. TP1 to TP2 volatge is what you have to look for.
[8:47] <ParkerR> *dig
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[8:51] <dr_willis> Hmm. wonder if you can just put a little gage on the portss for a voltage meter.
[8:51] <dr_willis> it would be more then just 2 wires and a gague however.
[8:51] <Coburn> righto
[8:51] <Coburn> hosed down a 2gb sd card.
[8:52] <Coburn> Now I can use it for my PiRouter project.
[8:52] <BaroMeter> A router, U hace 2 TCP port's on your pi
[8:53] <Coburn> 3G Router
[8:53] <BaroMeter> oh
[8:53] <Coburn> Pi + HSPA Dongle attached to WiFi AP
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[8:53] <dr_willis> 8 usb dongles and a usb hub! ;)
[8:54] <Coburn> yeah, could do that but cost a lot of $$$
[8:54] <BaroMeter> USB Ethernet would be a solution, newer thought of that
[8:55] <dr_willis> i got a usb ethernet thing from my Wii ;)
[8:55] <dr_willis> frogot i had that. but i dont really need more wired connections
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[8:56] <BaroMeter> normod, was thinking about SHCP and routing server
[8:56] <BaroMeter> DHCP
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[8:57] <BaroMeter> my typing, is so bad :-(
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[9:00] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps & chapeses and it's actually snowing in Devon!
[9:00] <rikkib> Evening
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[9:01] <rikkib> Cold here to 19.8 deg C
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> http://www.dartcom.co.uk/dartcam/index.php
[9:01] <rikkib> Have my beanie on
[9:01] <dr_willis> another cold snap across the usa also
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> outside is 1.9C
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> inside 16C..
[9:01] <rikkib> Ouch
[9:01] <dr_willis> with the wind chill - it feel like 1,9K
[9:01] <dr_willis> ;)
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> got to take a daily photo - going to be snow!
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[9:03] * rikkib has never touched snow... Seen it once long way off on some hills I crossed in winter further down country
[9:03] <BaroMeter> I don't know any programming languages, so I thought that; it's something I maybe should look into. And some people recommended K.N. Kings's C Programming: a modern approach.
[9:03] <rikkib> Does not snow here
[9:03] <BaroMeter> But it's quite expensive, are there other good one out there ?
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[9:04] <rikkib> Frosty mornings in mid winter
[9:04] <aDro> With the RPi I suggest learning python,
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[9:04] <rikkib> Life in paradise
[9:04] <aDro> I am going down that road. I've got a textbook here
[9:04] <jph_> start with python or ruby
[9:04] <aDro> Ruby reminds me of ASP
[9:04] <dr_willis> I know more Rexx and PERL then i do Python
[9:04] <jph_> you'll be more productive faster than with C
[9:05] <rikkib> C
[9:05] <jph_> (more productive due to std library and third party modules)
[9:05] <rikkib> You will end up there anyway
[9:05] <BaroMeter> Faster to learn than C, that's true
[9:05] <dr_willis> What? comptuers are supposed to be Productive?
[9:05] <jph_> ie... you could probably have an irc bot up in an afternoon with python or ruby
[9:06] <aDro> I find the best language to take time learning is the one you are using for your next project.
[9:06] <aDro> Or use Scratch ;)
[9:06] <rikkib> With so much Internet example code in C it is pointless learning other languages
[9:06] <dr_willis> I cant understand pointers... they are just to... pointy
[9:07] <BaroMeter> Looked into Ruby, and it seams to have a relay logic syntax
[9:07] <gordonDrogon> I don't know aht book (NK Kings)
[9:07] <jph_> internet example code?
[9:07] <gordonDrogon> but I've been C programming for a long time now.
[9:07] <rikkib> type *variable
[9:07] <jph_> dont forget your mallocs and frees
[9:07] <dr_willis> there was some RUBY 'gui/kid friendy' builder/tutorial program out i recall a year or 2 ago.. that remonded me of scratch. anyone rember its name?
[9:07] <BaroMeter> gordonDrogon, KN Kings, everyone I have spoken with recommends it 4 C
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[9:08] * rikkib learn asm first
[9:08] <aDro> dr_willis: Blocks?
[9:08] <rikkib> t
[9:08] <jph_> lol
[9:08] <gordonDrogon> BaroMeter, well it probably wasn't written when I learned C ..
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[9:08] <aDro> dr_willis: https://code.google.com/p/blockly/
[9:08] <BaroMeter> gordonDrogon, I thinks so to :-)
[9:08] <rikkib> Z80 asm then 6800 asm
[9:09] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/my-365/january-2013/snow/
[9:09] <BaroMeter> UK or USA ?
[9:09] <gordonDrogon> I'm in the UK.
[9:10] <BaroMeter> ok
[9:10] <rikkib> Thats scotch mist
[9:10] <BaroMeter> :-)
[9:10] <rikkib> lol
[9:10] <gordonDrogon> yea, more or less. we rarely get snow here.
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[9:10] <dr_willis> hmm wasent blobkly. i think this was all written in ruby
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[9:11] <aDro> I don't know what it was written in, I just found it awesome, before I learned of Scratch
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[9:11] <rikkib> Thats a cold wind blowin up m kilt jimmy
[9:11] <gordonDrogon> my kilt is in a warn cupboard right now...
[9:11] * rikkib chuckles
[9:12] <gordonDrogon> will be wearing it on the 25th though.
[9:12] <aDro> dr_willis: http://ruby4kids.com/ruby4kids
[9:13] * rikkib McClatchie/McPerson/Dunlop lineage
[9:13] <rikkib> With a bit of English Bennett thrown in for good measure
[9:14] <BaroMeter> gordonDrogon, first edition was written back in 1998
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[9:14] <rikkib> McPherson
[9:14] <gordonDrogon> BaroMeter, I learned C in 1988...
[9:15] <rikkib> bad typing
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[9:15] <gordonDrogon> just a plain old Henderson here.
[9:15] <ParkerR> Hmm my TP1 to TP2 hovers at about 4.83V when powered by the lapdock
[9:16] <rikkib> ParkerR, That is good
[9:16] <ParkerR> :)
[9:16] <dr_willis> moar power scotty!
[9:17] <rikkib> Mine powered from 1.2A plug pack 4.75v
[9:17] <ParkerR> Nice
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[9:18] <dr_willis> 5 parrallel hamster driven running wheels.
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[9:19] <rikkib> What happens when the little beasties go to sleep
[9:19] <dr_willis> How about runing from one of those heat powered engines.. Ive seen on top of wood burning stoves for backup
[9:19] <dr_willis> ;)
[9:19] <dr_willis> normally they turn a fan blade
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[9:20] <gordonDrogon> stirling engine.
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[9:20] <gordonDrogon> they need the fan to cool them - not much energy left over...
[9:20] <dr_willis> then ive seen electric ones.
[9:21] <dr_willis> some sort of heat sink at the bottom and fins at the top.
[9:21] <gordonDrogon> might be a peltier one.
[9:21] <dr_willis> and a fan/motor in the middle..
[9:21] <dr_willis> yea. sort of a reversed peltier cooling device
[9:21] <rikkib> I raise you one wankle engine
[9:21] <dr_willis> rikkib: keep it faimly safe.. ;)
[9:22] <gordonDrogon> last time I looked the stirling engines were rather expensive though.
[9:22] <dr_willis> heh...
[9:22] <rikkib> lol
[9:22] <dr_willis> seen stirling kits - but i dont think they make much actial power.. all the ones i saw just turned a disk
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[9:22] <rikkib> Otherwise known as a rotory engine
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[9:22] <gordonDrogon> wankel engines are internal combustion...
[9:23] <dr_willis> If you were at school or office you could use a peltier to power your pi from the office AC and a window perhaps. ;)
[9:23] <rikkib> Is the such a thing as an external conbustion engines
[9:24] <gordonDrogon> http://www.gyroscope.com/d.asp?product=VULCANSTOVEFAN
[9:24] <gordonDrogon> yes, typical steam engine.
[9:24] <gordonDrogon> the fire is on the outside, heating up water.
[9:24] <gordonDrogon> internal combustion uses the direct expansion of gases to make power.
[9:24] <rikkib> Vulcanstovefan Is that German?
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[9:25] <BaroMeter> sound like it :-)
[9:25] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, the site appears to be based in the UK.
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[9:25] <rikkib> lol
[9:25] <dr_willis> rikkib: any steam engine is basically external combustion
[9:26] <gordonDrogon> vulcan is: the blacksmith god of fire and volcanoes in Roman mythology
[9:26] <rikkib> ah latin
[9:26] <dr_willis> quid pro quo!
[9:26] <BaroMeter> and how did you know that
[9:27] <Tachyon`> a lot of trek stuff came from roman mythology
[9:27] <dr_willis> back when they tried to be original ;)
[9:27] <Tachyon`> case in point, romulus and remus and the romulans who are clearly romans anyway
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[9:27] <aDro> Haha, Altavista
[9:27] <dr_willis> well semi original
[9:27] <Tachyon`> particularly in TOS
[9:27] <BaroMeter> oh :-)
[9:28] <Tachyon`> I need new scifi and I don't ave any
[9:28] * kripton is now known as Kripton
[9:29] <BaroMeter> the same here
[9:29] <dr_willis> I got to catch up on Dr Who on netflix sometime
[9:29] * rikkib loves scfi
[9:29] <dr_willis> i quit torrenting it... ;) now its on netflix
[9:29] <dr_willis> when ya only get to watch a few hrs of tv a week.. it builds up
[9:30] <Tachyon`> oh, I've torrented pretty much everything good, lol
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[9:30] <gordonDrogon> I know stuff because I'm old...
[9:31] <gordonDrogon> trouble is, I don't always know the right stuff...
[9:31] <Tachyon`> really wish they'd done crusade properly
[9:31] * Tachyon` finished b5 again recently
[9:31] <Tachyon`> wonder if there's a symbolics lisp machine emulator that'll run on the pi
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[9:33] <xzr> crusade could've been a lot badasser
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[9:34] <rikkib> I know stuff because I am old, trouble is, I forgot lots of stuff cause I am old.
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[9:37] <randomdev> any able to help me out installing firmware for wireless dongle on raspian? (from website: TL-WN821N v3 (ath9k_htc, htc_7010.fw); works out of the box on ArchLinuxARM, Wheezy and on OpenElec)
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[9:37] <randomdev> i get a firmware not found message
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[9:38] <Mortvert> Oh hi.
[9:38] <rikkib> o
[9:38] <Mortvert> I wonder - is RS really so bad?
[9:38] <Mortvert> I mean, i ordered rpi from them 3 days ago and i've been looking at forum
[9:38] <rikkib> Semi naughty
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[9:39] <Shift_> I don't think it's a matter of them being bad... just not having stock
[9:39] <Mortvert> So even the estimated despatch time of 7 days might mean nothing?
[9:39] <Shift_> and not being able to manufacture and ship them out fast enough
[9:40] <Shift_> not sure
[9:40] <Shift_> I guess you'll know in 4 days =D
[9:40] <rikkib> Supply issues are more in the relm of "The Foundation" and contractual issues around manufacture
[9:41] <rikkib> All my 512 RPi say made in China
[9:41] <dr_willis> i ordered my Pis - then got them... 6 Mo later.... ;)
[9:41] <Mortvert> I mean, people are whining that their rpi arrived dead. All from RS
[9:41] <dr_willis> but they were 256mb pis when i ordered them
[9:42] <BaroMeter> the do have a problem with shipping, and that's a good thing...that there is a demand for it.
[9:42] <dr_willis> got the 512s :)
[9:42] <Shift_> Mortvert, well, people don't usually write in "I got my pi and it's working fine", so it's hard to gauge how big the problem is.
[9:42] <Mortvert> Shift_ - i guess.
[9:42] <rikkib> If it were not for the Chinese manufacturing base I dare say we would not own the 6 RPi I have in NZ.
[9:43] <Mortvert> 6? Gimme 2
[9:43] <Mortvert> :P
[9:43] <randomdev> i ordered mine from element14 sunday night, arrived tuesday morning
[9:44] <aDro> yeah, they are quick about their Pi orders
[9:44] * rikkib gives Mortvert 2 RPi
[9:44] <Mortvert> e14 doesn't ship to poland, they use a very pricey retailer
[9:44] <ParkerR> randomdev, Yeah element14 was fast for me too
[9:44] <randomdev> said wifi dongle was out of stock tho, ah well
[9:44] <Mortvert> costs about $60
[9:44] <Mortvert> kamiami :v
[9:44] <rikkib> $56NZD to the door
[9:45] <dr_willis> I got my 2 Pi's an XIOS Player thing. (running android) and picked up a WD Home media Hub on clearancce over the weekend.. Im set for HTPC type boxs for now
[9:45] <dr_willis> got my Boxeebox sitting unused for now also.
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[9:46] <ParkerR> dr_willis, Send it to me. WOuld love to smash it with a hammer
[9:46] <dr_willis> gotta see if crunchyroll ever got fixed on it
[9:46] <dr_willis> someday
[9:47] * dr_willis is doubtfull
[9:47] <dr_willis> and people wonder why im so doubtfull of all the new ubuntu-phone and ubuntu-tv hardware...
[9:48] <dr_willis> The Xios i got is a bit on the flakey side also.. and this WD Home Hub is reall.. flakey at times. ;)
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[9:51] * Tachyon` growls at the lack of support from boxee these days
[9:51] <Tachyon`> they used to release free linux/windows apps
[9:51] <ParkerR> Tachyon`, Lack? It's noexistant
[9:51] <ParkerR> *non-existant
[9:51] <Tachyon`> I've not actually bought one of their devices
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[9:51] <Tachyon`> (as was waiting fo rthis one when they appeared)
[9:51] <BaroMeter> Tachyon`, do the even make them anymore
[9:51] <ParkerR> The said screw you to PC/Mac/Linux/Boxeebox first gen users
[9:51] <dr_willis> these days? :0 they have never had decent support
[9:52] <Tachyon`> althoguh I tried early versions of their software on linux
[9:52] <ParkerR> *They
[9:52] <dr_willis> well the pc software they dumped like over a year ago
[9:52] <Tachyon`> aye, hence my original growl
[9:52] <dr_willis> aaparently the boxee-tv - is also - lacking... ;)
[9:52] <dr_willis> and they got all the boxee-box fans.. totally mad. so bad word-of-mouth- is bad..
[9:52] <Tachyon`> the pi with raspbmc seems to work very well
[9:53] <Tachyon`> one of the older 256s too
[9:53] <dr_willis> i really liked my boxeebox even with its issues... but they never did fix core problems
[9:53] <Tachyon`> surprised it works as well as it does given it insists on allocating 128MB to the video chipset
[9:54] <Tachyon`> is the model a available to buy yet?
[9:54] <ParkerR> http://old-blog.boxee.tv/2012/10/16/boxee-box-past-present-and-future/#.UPkNrF5LXNw
[9:54] <neilr> morning all
[9:55] <dr_willis> the boxeebox does not continue to function as i used it . some of the channels no longer work. ;)
[9:55] <ParkerR> Saying "We are mainly going to work on a newer product and leave all past users in the dust"
[9:55] <dr_willis> they just hang at 'server error' and never even exit. i have to power cycle my boxeebocc
[9:55] * booyaa used to love the software nice clean design
[9:55] <ParkerR> 0 respect
[9:55] <booyaa> never made the jump to the box, seemed very usian centric
[9:56] <dr_willis> they never did set the boxxebox to use 3TB usb hds.
[9:56] <dr_willis> and i never did figure out how to make it 'play the next file.....'
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[9:56] <dr_willis> 2 things that made it useless for my wifes viewing needs.
[9:57] <dr_willis> been training her to use xbmc now on the pi.
[9:57] <dr_willis> but her openelec running pi had issues. havent tested it lately
[9:58] <ParkerR> dr_willis, Might want to try Raspbmc. Been running great
[9:58] <dr_willis> havent tried any of them for like 2 weeks now.
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[9:58] <dr_willis> getting berry boot setup that way i can try them all easier. :)
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[9:59] <dr_willis> thats the weekend job.
[9:59] <dr_willis> then i found the WD TV live HUB on sale with a 1TB Hd.. grabbed that for her/grandkids.. been playing with it all week
[10:00] <dr_willis> it has an easier to underatand gui then xbmc i find. but the playlist feature is a bit annoying.
[10:01] <pumpan> can I use a usb phone charger as power supple to my rpi?
[10:01] <pumpan> just bought it but It doesnt run
[10:01] <pumpan> red power light is the only thing thats on
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[10:02] <ParkerR> pumpan, Then no. What is the supply rated at?
[10:02] <xzr> pumpan: yeah phone charger is fine as long as it has enough power output
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[10:04] <pumpan> how do I know that ParkerR?
[10:04] <xzr> it should read on the psu
[10:04] <pumpan> on the rpi?
[10:04] <xzr> on the supply
[10:04] <dr_willis> pumpan: ive used a samsung phone charger. but theres differnt powered ones of those. the higher Amp versions worked fine for me. My Kindle fire charger also worked.. and now im running from a powered usb HUB
[10:05] <xzr> charger
[10:05] <dr_willis> you can find 2A phone chargers for $12 or so
[10:05] <pumpan> its just a samsung usb charger that I plugged into my desktop pc
[10:05] <pumpan> doesnt say shit on the cable except for made in china
[10:05] <pumpan> all I get is the red power light on the rpi though
[10:05] <dr_willis> dont power the pi from a PC usb port.. i hear they dont give enough powar
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[10:06] <dr_willis> the Cable wont say.. its the power supply that will say
[10:06] <pumpan> I gotta find a wall outlet phone charger then
[10:06] <dr_willis> or a powered usb hub
[10:06] <dr_willis> worthi finding a powered usb hub in any case. ;)
[10:07] <xzr> will need it for peripherals anyway
[10:07] <linuxstb> Assuming pumpan plans to connect peripherals?
[10:08] <dr_willis> ive had my pis reset/reboot if add/remiove stuff into their usb ports directly. but that coume be me wiggling the power cord
[10:09] <pumpan> linuxstb I wont buy stuff before I know what this bastard can do
[10:09] <dr_willis> my pi seems more stable now i got a little white case for it. ;0
[10:09] <pumpan> right now it cant even start
[10:09] <dr_willis> You can always use a powered usb HUb somewhere else
[10:09] <pumpan> connected to outlet new and still only red power light
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[10:10] <dr_willis> pumpan: how many A is the power supply? what did you put on the SD card?
[10:10] <antix_> so i've connected a level shifter rs232 with usb serial to my pc, but i can't seem to get a serial console
[10:10] <antix_> this is with the arch version for rpi
[10:10] <pumpan> I ran the raspbmc setup that downloaded the installer to the sdcard
[10:10] <pumpan> tried 2 different sdcards
[10:10] <antix_> any tips, someone?
[10:11] <pumpan> theres still no powersupply to read from, so I dont know
[10:11] <pumpan> its an iphone outlett2usb and a samsung usb2microusb
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[10:11] <dr_willis> the iphone thing should have writing on it saying the power
[10:11] <pumpan> no wait there is some text on this thing
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[10:11] <dr_willis> tiny tiny tiny tet
[10:11] <dr_willis> text
[10:11] <dr_willis> ;)
[10:12] <linuxstb> pumpan: You used the raspbmc Windows installer?
[10:12] <pumpan> 100-240v hz0.15a
[10:12] <pumpan> yes windows installer
[10:12] <pumpan> output 5v 1a
[10:12] <dr_willis> so that should be ok.
[10:12] <pumpan> ok so then its not the power
[10:13] <dr_willis> You got it plugged into a hdmi tv? or using the rca video?
[10:13] <pumpan> hdmi monitor
[10:13] <pumpan> but shouldnt the diods blink?
[10:13] <dr_willis> i never notice what blinks..
[10:14] * rikkib bed
[10:14] <dr_willis> the firsst boot on some of these images can take longer then boots afterwards also
[10:14] <dr_willis> you may wan tto try the 'berryboot' thing also. i belive it boots fast then lets you install other os's to usb devices.
[10:15] <pumpan> when I Start it will it give me a display right away or will it take a long time? do I need network to boot or just to install? I dont have any network right now, just wanted to see if it worked first
[10:15] <dr_willis> i recall ther ebeing a colored box that vanishes.. then may take a min or 2 to boot up
[10:15] <dr_willis> there should be youtuve videos of first boots..
[10:16] <dr_willis> my rasbian setup boots in about 30 sec i think.
[10:16] <dr_willis> xbian booted quickly - printw a lot of info.. resizes the sd that takes time.. then reboots itself i recall.
[10:17] <dr_willis> berryboot - should boot very quickly.
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[10:17] <pumpan> it seems pretty dead here, monitor says no signal and powerled is the only indicator
[10:17] <dr_willis> brb
[10:17] <dr_willis> could be its dead.. im not an expert on that. I got 2 pis - both worked for me.
[10:17] <pumpan> will I get any screen indication without a sdcard?
[10:18] <dr_willis> brb potty break
[10:18] <dr_willis> you need an sd card i belive
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[10:20] <linuxstb> pumpan: If you look at the contents of the SD card from your Windows PC, what do you see?
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[10:20] <pumpan> bootcode.bin cmdline.txt config.txt fixup.dat kernel.img start.elf usb licence.broadcom
[10:21] <linuxstb> OK, that looks about right.
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[10:24] <dr_willis> at least its not like in #ubuntu wher ei see people with ubuntu.iso on their flash drives all the time. ;)
[10:24] <pumpan> can you try and boot you rpi wihtout sdcard and see what happends?
[10:24] <pumpan> maybe the sdcard is incompatible
[10:24] <dr_willis> I dont knwo if that color cube show up then or not.
[10:25] <pumpan> im gonna try a different bootimage and see what happends
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[10:25] <pumpan> what others are ther?
[10:25] <pumpan> raspbuntu or what is is called?
[10:26] <dr_willis> try berryboot also
[10:26] <dr_willis> with berryboot you just extgract the zip to the root of the sd card
[10:26] <dr_willis> (remove the other files that are there)
[10:26] <ryao> I am starting to reconsider recommending Gentoo on the Raspberry Pi. Compiling software is *SLOW*.
[10:26] <dr_willis> some of the other disrtos you have ti image the .img to the sd
[10:26] <dr_willis> ryao: ;)
[10:26] <dr_willis> you need a distcc cluster of pis!
[10:27] <mjr> the Pi will not display anything lacking an SD card, so that diagnosis isn't probably very useful
[10:27] <ryao> I am on my way to bed, but I felt like saying that.
[10:27] <dr_willis> mjr: not even the colorfull cube eh.
[10:28] <dr_willis> ive only rarely caught glimps of that mystical cube in my pi ussage
[10:28] <ryao> I might still make an image for people, although I wonder what the value in it would be other than to show off optimized binaries.
[10:29] <dr_willis> bbenchmarks perhaps?
[10:29] <dr_willis> i wonder how optmized they really are.
[10:30] <ryao> dr_willis: CFLAGS are optimal for tge processor.
[10:30] <ryao> At least when I buils stuff.
[10:30] <ryao> Tablet typos...
[10:30] <dr_willis> why wouldent the other disrto makers use the same cflags then. if they knwo they are compilng for a specific cpu.
[10:31] <dr_willis> or are the repos for ecxxsample not pi-specific. on rasbian
[10:31] <ryao> dr_willis: Raspbian might. Pthers probably not.
[10:31] <ryao> s/Pthers/Others/
[10:31] <dr_willis> ive never really paid much attention to them
[10:32] <ryao> dr_willis: I doubt that they will help. The Pi's biggest problem is IO.
[10:32] <dr_willis> Poor Little Pi.
[10:32] <ryao> The SD card reader simply cannot sustain decent random IO.
[10:33] <ryao> Even a disk from the 1990s could outperform it.
[10:34] <dr_willis> so berryboot - and running from a USB flash drive or HD would show big gains then?
[10:34] <ryao> Maybe ZFS could help, but then we could have a memory issue.
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[10:39] <pumpan> same problem with berryboot dr_willis, wish there was more indicators to tell me whats going on
[10:41] <dr_willis> hmm. over my skill level then.
[10:41] <pumpan> many thanks for the assistance
[10:41] <dr_willis> may be worth grabbing a differnt sd card and trying.. other then that.. im out of ideas
[10:41] <pumpan> I always get broken shit when I buy something so odds are they just sold me a broken shit
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[10:43] <chep> hello
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[10:46] <mac-> hey
[10:46] <mac-> I run succesfully Arch Linux on my rpi
[10:46] <mac-> but do you know anythiong about xorg driver for its graphic card ?
[10:46] <chep> i've got a problem with omxplayer. When i start it with "-r" it uses 100% cpu and everything else is frozen. network too so i loose control on my ssh session and i cant control omxplayer. I cant quit. If I turn off my screen and then turn on again everything is ok, ssh session reconnect and i can quit omxplayer (or seek, pause,...) I use raspbian and 'im connected on screen via hdmi
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[10:47] <Shift_> There's a very early beta xorg driver you can try, but don't expect miracles, it's still very buggy.
[10:47] <Shift_> Also, the dev says xorg is very cpu intensive and there's not much the gpu can do to accelerate it.
[10:47] <Shift_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=28294
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[10:49] <mac-> ok
[10:49] <mac-> it is possible to run on it with Arch Linux ?
[10:49] <Shift_> if you know what you're doing, the specific distro you're using makes absolutely no difference
[10:50] <mac-> I guess I need to compile the driver
[10:50] <dr_willis> what driver?
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[10:50] <Shift_> he hasn't released all of the source yet
[10:51] <Shift_> (i think, I don't know)
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[10:51] <Shift_> http://elinux.org/RPi_Xorg_rpi_Driver
[10:51] <Shift_> either way, it's all there
[10:52] <dr_willis> at least one is being worked on. ;)
[10:52] <Shift_> Yup, it has come a long way
[10:52] <Shift_> much better than what we had when the pi was initially released
[10:52] <dr_willis> i can wait a while longer.. ;)
[10:53] <mac-> I work on xorg with twm - well its not so bad
[10:53] <Shift_> I don't think it's ever going to be 'good'.
[10:53] <dr_willis> i found jwm useable.. with terminals.. but anything else.. it ggot real slow real fast
[10:53] <dr_willis> ;_
[10:53] <dr_willis> ;)
[10:53] <mac-> what about i.e. MK802 on AllWinner A10 ? AWA10 got dedicated xorg driver ?
[10:54] <Shift_> I thought it only ran android
[10:54] <dr_willis> android runs Xorg ?
[10:55] <mjr> people have put at least ubuntu on the mk802
[10:55] <dr_willis> theres getting to be a lot of neat little arm and android boxs
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[10:55] <Shift_> dr_willis, how did you get that from what was said? But if you must know, yeah kind of, some guys seem to have ported xorg to android.
[10:55] <dr_willis> Cool. may have to get a mn802
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[10:55] <mac-> yerah I saw MK802 with ubuntu
[10:55] <mjr> don't know what they use for X
[10:56] <mac-> so don't I
[10:56] <mac-> neither do I
[10:56] <mac-> :d
[10:56] <Shift_> heh
[10:56] <Shift_> http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-gains-x11-support/
[10:57] <SpeedEvil> stupid headlines
[10:57] <Shift_> hmm... that doesn't look like what I thought it was
[10:57] <Shift_> that doesn't look like what I thought it was at all >=/
[10:57] <dr_willis> missleading artical titles?
[10:58] <Shift_> Well, that will teach me not to read the actual article
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[11:01] <Shift_> Yeah, so it's just an input driver that lets you use an android device as a tablet for drawing... meh. Still, better than forking out silly amount of money for a bamboo, assuming it works well enough.
[11:02] <pumpan> can someone try power on their rpi without anything connected except power, and see if the leds are blinking or if it just the red power light that shows anything?
[11:02] <Shift_> pumpan, without an sdcard?
[11:02] <pumpan> yes
[11:02] <pumpan> just blank
[11:02] <xzr> the led is red if you don't have ethernet connected
[11:02] <Shift_> just red
[11:02] <Shift_> and a dim green light, hwich you might not be able to see.
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[11:03] <dr_willis> turn off all the room lights and look? ;)
[11:04] <Shift_> The red led drowns it out
[11:04] <xzr> light a few scented candles
[11:04] <xzr> put on some nice smooth music
[11:05] <pumpan> if I plugin ethernet, will the link led blink?
[11:05] <dr_willis> tell the kids you and your Pi need some alone time.
[11:05] <pumpan> mine seems dead except for the red pled
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[11:05] <Shift_> I don't think it does, but I'll check.
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[11:05] <xzr> if you seriously want to test it just plug a sd card in and provide network connectivity
[11:05] <pumpan> nothing I plugin makes any difference
[11:05] <Shift_> nope, just red.
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[11:06] <Shift_> I wouldn't think that the lan chip would initialise before any firmware is loaded anyway
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[11:07] <pumpan> fucking works now :)
[11:07] <pumpan> switch ethernet cable
[11:07] <pumpan> jesus
[11:07] <pumpan> thanks for the help guys
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[11:11] <Davespice> gordonDrogon: harsh! =)
[11:11] <Mortvert> Hrn. Does RS use UPS to deliver rpis?
[11:12] <mjr> was a kick really necessary for one non-ongoing instance of a Bad Word along with proper thanks
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[11:13] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> you're probably right, but it was just a kick...
[11:13] <Shift_> mjr, this isn't the place to discuss this. Feel free to send a message to a mod if you disagree with something.
[11:14] <Mortvert> Anyone?
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> Mortvert, I suspect it depends on the country. When they sent mine it was via regular post.
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[11:16] <Mortvert> gordonDrogon - oh.
[11:16] <Mortvert> I've seen UPS truck and thought it might be it. But nope. D:
[11:16] <Mortvert> And by the looks of it, people have a lot trouble with RS
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[11:18] <Mortvert> I hope my pi gets here intact and on time.
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[11:19] <dr_willis> hmm. glad he got his pi going.
[11:20] <dr_willis> ive notivce with mine sometime they wont boot up. i unplug everthing. plug them back in and they work..
[11:20] <dr_willis> but they both seem to work a lot better now with cases on them,
[11:21] <dr_willis> loose cables? static? somthing from sitting directly on the desk perhaps?
[11:21] <neilr> One thing I've found is that the SD card holders appear to be made of an alloy of sardine tin and chewing gum. If your pi won't boot reliably, look at the contacts there.
[11:21] <Mortvert> china quality
[11:22] <dr_willis> ah yea.. ive noticed thers a little spring arm at the bottom of the sd slot. seem sometimrs its not all the ways depressed
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> hey, don't knock those sardine tins!
[11:22] <dr_willis> Smoked Oysters
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> what came first the sardine tin or the key to open them...
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[11:23] <gordonDrogon> if a stealth fighter crashes in an empty forest, does it make a noise?
[11:23] <neilr> Early canned food needed a hammer and chisel to open :)
[11:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://i.imgur.com/OTY0I.jpg have we an electriction in the house ?
[11:23] <neilr> Which sounds a lot more fun than just pulling a tab
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> RaTTuS|BIG, lovely!
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[11:25] <earl2> Rattus, at least it's grounded
[11:25] <neilr> :)
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> snows melting here.
[11:28] <Mortvert> gordonDrogon - did you get a notification from RS when the pi was sent?
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> Mortvert, I think so - it was so long ago now - the first batch.
[11:30] <Mortvert> Oh.
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> actually, the 2nd batch.
[11:30] <Mortvert> Dang.
[11:30] <Mortvert> I have a despatch expected in 1 week and i really don't know if i should trust that number
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> I am considering ordering a couple more though, but probably from Farnell and I'll do it via the commercial channel.
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[11:30] <gordonDrogon> Mortvert, I'd trust it. I'm sure you'll be ok. (if you're in the UK)
[11:30] <Mortvert> Nope.
[11:30] <Mortvert> Poland.
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> Hm. well I've no idea then, but hang in there!
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> Both rS and Farnell got some stick early on - I think RS was possibly worse than Farnell, but who knows. I suspect they were both completely unprepared for the volume of sales.
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[11:32] <Mortvert> Look at forums.
[11:32] <Mortvert> People that ordered long ago - still didn't get the order.
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[11:33] <Mortvert> I'm growing paranoid because of that
[11:34] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: Farnell have always delivered within a week or so for me (4 separate orders from about July to October last year). RS took about 4 months for a single order.
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[11:35] <double-you> my RS order came 8 days later
[11:35] <linuxstb> double-you: When did you order? I ordered in July, received in November.
[11:35] <double-you> 10 days ago ;)
[11:36] <linuxstb> OK, that's good to know. So it looks like they've cleared their backlog.
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[11:36] <Mortvert> double-you - so basically the despatch is trustworthy now
[11:37] <double-you> yes
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[11:37] <Mortvert> Okay, that relived me.
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[11:52] <Davespice> folks, open question to everyone here
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[11:52] <Davespice> pulseaudio, is there a way to temporarily disable it without having to remove the package?
[11:53] <dr_willis> hmm. you can stop the service. but then no sound
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[11:54] <dr_willis> im used to ubuntu also. i may be wrong for other distros
[11:59] <Davespice> indeed
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[12:25] <Shift_> Davespice, Were you the one interested in porting oolite to opengles?
[12:26] <Davespice> yeah I haven't done any work to that for a while now, as I hit a brick wall with it
[12:26] <Davespice> couldn't get spidermonkey to work
[12:26] <Shift_> ah, fair enough
[12:27] <Shift_> interesting, someone says oolite is in the raspbian repos O_o
[12:27] * Davespice *blank look*
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[12:27] <aDro> why does it take so long for my password query to appear?
[12:28] <Shift_> Just a comment on hackaday, so probably not exactly accurate http://hackaday.com/2012/11/08/raspberry-pi-gets-risc-os-can-now-play-elite/#comment-866171
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[12:31] * neilr hears the word 'oolite' and perks up a bit
[12:32] <neilr> ArcElite on pi RISC OS is almost unplaybly fast
[12:33] <neilr> If only David Braben would allow the source for Elite:New Kind to be distributed, that would enable anyone to run Elite on Raspbian. It works nicely.
[12:33] <Shift_> anyone know how 16bit pcm data is meant to be intepreted... I can't figure it out or find much info >=/
[12:35] <neilr> oooh, oolite *is* in the Raspbian repo
[12:35] <Shift_> does it... work?
[12:35] <neilr> No idea!
[12:35] <neilr> May have a play later
[12:35] <neilr> My Raspbian system is pretty stripped back, just a headless server
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[12:36] <neilr> so there's a lot of dependencies to install
[12:36] <joukio> hi all
[12:36] <neilr> 5 upgraded, 14 newly installed, 0 to remove and 17 not upgraded.
[12:36] <neilr> Need to get 39.3 MB of archives.
[12:36] <neilr> After this operation, 32.9 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[12:36] <joukio> does anyone know if the wiringpi or the quick2wire python api's have the same interupt issue as the RPi.GPIO api?
[12:36] <neilr> I'd be surprised if it worked well on a 256MB rev 1 board
[12:37] <Dyskette> It depends on GNUstep?
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[12:37] <companion> herro
[12:38] <companion> I have received my raspberry PI today, and its only giving a red light, I checked the powersupply and used flashnul to create my image to my MicroSD Card which is attached to its converter
[12:39] <Shift_> Well, it's either unable to read the card, or it can't find the firmware on it.
[12:39] <neilr> That's normally a problem with the SD card
[12:39] <companion> microSD + Converter is not a great option I gues :')
[12:39] <neilr> Works OK for me !
[12:39] <companion> aight
[12:39] <companion> the SD Card had big abuse before tho with my android machines
[12:41] <companion> btw the green light is slightly glowing tho
[12:41] <neilr> Also check the connecters on the SD card holder. Probably not a problem on a new machine, but I've bent them on a couple of my pis constantly swapping SD cards in and out
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[12:41] <companion> neilr, just checked em their fine
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[12:42] <companion> perhaps a different adapter?
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[12:42] <neilr> Cool - I ended up having to solder a ribbon cable to the bent connectors, and the other end to a micro-SD card adaptor. Works well, but looks a mess...
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[12:44] <companion> checked with a magnify glass and their fine
[12:44] <companion> hrm ;(
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[12:44] <joukio> companion: check with a meter :)
[12:45] <companion> joukio, multi meter?
[12:45] <joukio> yeah :)
[12:45] <joukio> if the connectors are really ok then
[12:45] <companion> hrm
[12:45] <companion> from left to right right?
[12:45] <Shift_> I am guessing it's just an incompatable card, that's all.
[12:46] <companion> same here
[12:46] <joukio> that's also a good possibility
[12:46] <Davespice> by the way, if anyone was having trouble getting openttd on the Pi store to run, I've posted a fix for it now
[12:46] <companion> any one got a list of compatible sd cardS? ;o
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[12:46] <Perkele> there is one online somewhere
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[12:46] <neilr> If it helps, I'm using SanDisk 4GB cards - but there's a comprehensive list online somewhere.
[12:46] <companion> current one I use is Lexar 16GB tho
[12:47] <neilr> (just noticed that the wiki no longer seems to be linked from the R-pi homepage)
[12:47] <companion> should hava a sandisk some were ;)
[12:47] <joukio> got a couple of 8GB samsungs which do work fine
[12:47] <neilr> companion: Which image are you using?
[12:48] <pksato> list of tested SD cards http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[12:48] <companion> neilr, sec
[12:48] <companion> 2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian
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[12:49] <companion> mine is compatible tho
[12:49] <companion> according to the chart
[12:49] <neilr> OK - can you look at the contents of the card in another machine at all?
[12:50] <neilr> just to check that the image has copied correctly
[12:50] <companion> I can with my current machine
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[12:50] <companion> neilr, any recommended ways for that
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> right. just ordered another 2 Pi's from Farnell. Sameday dispatch, so here's hoping for Monday.
[12:50] <neilr> Just mount the SD card in another machine, and check the directory listing.
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> I got Farnells branded Sandisk SD cards too - a bit pricey, but it saves buying them elsewhere.
[12:51] <Mortvert> Grrr. Can't wait for my rpi to get here ;_;
[12:51] <Pricey> gordonDrogon: What capacity/price?
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> bit of a faff ordering via Farnell but I've gone through the business mechanism (at least I hope I have!)
[12:51] <Mortvert> I wonder if one rpi could run a jabber server
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> Pricey, 4GB, ?8. +VAT.
[12:52] <Pricey> gordonDrogon: Amazon have some awesome deals recently, I got a 64Gb for <??30 at some point.
[12:52] <Pricey> *have had
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> Pricey, yea, but I couldn't be bothered buying from another place & paying more postage, etc. Sometimes the path of least resistance is ok, even if it costs a little more.
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> and I don't need more than 4GB anyway.
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[12:53] <joukio> anyone in with some knowledge about the gpio stuff in raspi?
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> me...
[12:53] <companion> neilr, it says its a RAW partition
[12:53] <companion> dafuq
[12:53] <companion> that would be the problem D:
[12:53] <neilr> sounds like whatever tool you used to build the card didn't image it correctly
[12:54] <joukio> ah, now I see it :)..... but, I want to use the GPIO on raspi from python.... what lib/api would you recommend?
[12:54] <companion> neilr, any recommed software?
[12:54] <neilr> I use dd on unix
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> joukio, wiringPython ...
[12:54] <joukio> like. I can't see the diffs between yours and quick2wire for instance
[12:54] <companion> hrm no unix machine here atm
[12:54] <neilr> What do you have?
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> joukio, but there are plenty of examples using the rpi.gpio python package too.
[12:54] <companion> neilr, currently a windows machine
[12:54] <companion> temporaral
[12:54] <joukio> I do know I don't want to use the rpi.gpio package because I need interupts
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[12:54] <joukio> and i2c and spi
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> joukio, I'm about to do some stuff with the q2w boards too. I have some here.
[12:55] <joukio> and preferably in python3
[12:55] <neilr> Win32DiskImager
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> joukio, if you want to do it in C, I have a new interrupt handler thingy...
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[12:55] <gordonDrogon> but I think the q2w python package has something itself anyway.
[12:55] <neilr> http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> I really don't do python...
[12:57] <neilr> joukio: if you look int he Gertboard section on the r-pi forum, there's a user there who has converted all the Gertboard sample programs to Python. Could be useful?
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> and I'm about to re-do them using wiringPi in C too..
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> time... need more time...
[12:58] <neilr> I started them on RISC OS in BASIC, just to be perverse :)
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[12:58] <LilSnoop4> i just purchased everything needed to make me a raspberry pi to run xbmc.... what is the preferred os to run on it openelec or other.
[12:59] <companion> formatting
[12:59] <neilr> for future reference - you don't need to format the card before writing the image - the format information is held in the image file itself
[13:00] <companion> alright
[13:00] <companion> it was corrupted tho :S
[13:00] <Dyskette> LilSnoop4: variously OpenELEC, Xbian, RaspBMC, or even Arch or Raspbian standard with the xbmc packages installed
[13:00] <Datalink> LilSnoop4, I've heard Openelec's the prefered, yeah
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[13:00] <LilSnoop4> im just preparing for when my parts come to assemble it. cant wait to try it
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[13:00] <Datalink> I use rasbian, don't have a XBMC install though
[13:00] <Datalink> heh
[13:01] <Patteh> raspbmc works nicely
[13:01] <LilSnoop4> this here: raspbian_wheezy_20120816_xbmc?
[13:01] <Patteh> i've been running that for months
[13:01] <Patteh> http://www.raspbmc.com/
[13:02] <LilSnoop4> do it boot straight to xbmc when powered on?
[13:02] <ParkerR> Yes
[13:02] <Patteh> raspbmc does yes
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[13:03] <LilSnoop4> ok, i will try that then. so for the most part is it smooth. video playing via streaming from the likes of navi-x and or icefilms smooth?
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[13:03] <Nebukadneza> heho
[13:04] <Patteh> i've had no problems with raspbmc at all, streams 1080p flawlessly
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[13:04] <Patteh> just make sure you have a good enough power suplle
[13:04] <Patteh> supply*
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> I tried it once, just some fun, and it seemed OK, but I only have a 720p display
[13:04] <dr_willis> ive had all the xbmc disrots crash on me however.. or not play some video files.. but i havent tried any recent ones (in the last 3 weeks)
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[13:07] <LilSnoop4> can't wait to get the parts i orderd.
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[13:08] <Pricey> gordonDrogon: Amazon do free delivery ;) You know for next time anyway :)
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[13:11] <gordonDrogon> Pricey, oh? though there was a minimum order for that ... oh well!
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[13:11] <Pricey> gordonDrogon: Nope, they're awesome.
[13:14] <Nebukadneza> Oo
[13:14] <Nebukadneza> is it normal that when i plug/unplug something from the top usb port, the rbpi reboots?!
[13:15] <nid0> no, probably suggests a power issue
[13:15] <pksato> Nebukadneza: Is a comon issue. But, not normal.
[13:15] <turndevil> Nebukadneza, haha same her. wifi dongle. and the bottom usb. (haven't tried the top one yet)
[13:16] <Nebukadneza> bottom port works for me
[13:16] <Nebukadneza> i can replug all i want there
[13:16] <Nebukadneza> Oo
[13:16] <pksato> only on top USB?
[13:16] <Nebukadneza> yes
[13:16] <Shift_> Does your typical x86 pc use 2's complement?
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[13:17] <pksato> Nebukadneza: any USB device? or some specific?
[13:17] <Nebukadneza> mhhh
[13:17] <Nebukadneza> if i had anything else to test
[13:18] <pksato> some high power device can reboot RPi when pluged. But, not when unplug.
[13:18] <Nebukadneza> high power ... uhm, its a very bad/cheap wifi device
[13:18] <Nebukadneza> i have the power plug that rs-components sells with the pi
[13:19] <VetteWork> Hi all, have a question in my use of a pi. Wondering if there is a way to do Active Directory authentication through a URL (like ftp.site.com:user@password but for AD)?
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[13:25] <kvarley> Would the raspberrypi handle remote viewing an Ubuntu TV box at 30 fps or more?
[13:26] <ParkerR> kvarley, Just viewing what is on the screen? I dunno. I didn't think Ubuntu TV was anywhere near production
[13:26] <Nebukadneza> mhmmm
[13:27] <kvarley> ParkerR: Yeah but obviously it would be playing TV streams so it'd need to be fast. Ubuntu TV as a physical product isn't ready but you can install the software on any PC
[13:27] <kvarley> ParkerR: My alternative was running some sort of mythtv server and then having the rpi receive the stream itself
[13:27] <ParkerR> That might work. Certainly possible with XBMC
[13:28] <kvarley> ParkerR: Any ideas about changing channel view XBMC tho?
[13:28] <Shift_> When it comes to pi, the limitations are usually in the software, rather than the hardware.
[13:28] <Shift_> It seem's like the pi's full potential is difficult to tap into.
[13:28] <ParkerR> kvarley, I'm sure there are keys for changing channels
[13:29] <kvarley> ParkerR: Can XBMC do a TV guide style interface? If not I'd have to see about mythtv
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[13:29] <ParkerR> kvarley, Yes
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[13:41] <nerxgas> hey
[13:41] <nerxgas> o
[13:41] <nerxgas> sexy lady
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[13:44] <pecorade> Hi.
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[13:45] <VetteWork> Nobody is familiar with Active Directory authentication on a Pi?
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[13:49] <Shift_> 2B00 5101 6CFE 7D03 7CFD 6D02 5100 2AFE 0003 CEFD A602 89FF 8001 89FE A602 CEFF FF00
[13:49] <Shift_> oops
[13:52] <nerxgas> http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/16srhc/remembering_aaron_swartz_at_local_synagogue_this/
[13:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21070953 thats how to to a bank job [not RPI related]
[13:55] <nerxgas> asdfgds httpbitly Wdde9b dfsdgdfharfhadfga
[13:55] <Shift_> nerxgas, you ok there?
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[14:03] <dwatkins> cat-like typing detected! ;)
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[14:04] <Shift_> mindless reddit spam detected actually
[14:06] <dwatkins> ah yes, that too
[14:07] <dwatkins> I'm waiting for a linux version of this: http://www.bitboost.com/pawsense/
[14:07] <dwatkins> That was where my quote came from.
[14:07] <Shift_> >_<
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[14:12] <joukio> gordonDrogon: but, you are saying the wiringpi-python doesn't support interupts?
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> joukio, hi - sorry, just move locaion by about 12 miles...
[14:13] <joukio> I'am about to do that as well in a minute or 5 :)
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> joukio, the current version probably doesn't. there is interrupt handling in the C version of wiringPi, but I don't know if that's been incorporated into wiringPython.
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> joukio, I suspect not as it requires the use of pthreads - ie. you need to create a thread to handle the interrupt.
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> the newest wiringPi support a form of "ISR" where you give it a pointer to a function and that function gets called when the interrupt gets triggered - but that's C only right now.
[14:14] <joukio> yeah, well... think I need to look into that
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> I'm not sure if that paradigm would work in Python...
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[14:15] <joukio> i'am not really into c.... not really into programming at all, but most of the time I used python
[14:15] * gordonDrogon nods.
[14:15] * knoppies wonders what it is with all this nodding.
[14:15] <joukio> :)
[14:16] <joukio> well.... "real" programmers use C i guess :D
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> dunno. I just use what's needed to get the job done...
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> most of my jobs needs C.
[14:16] <joukio> well... most of my jobs needed python :)
[14:17] <joukio> then again... every language has it's pro's and con's
[14:17] <knoppies> dwatkins, I think one could write something like that rather easily. But it would think that a faceroll on your favorite MMO is the same as a cat walk.
[14:18] <dwatkins> knoppies: true, thankfully I don't play MMOs anymore, and certainly not under Linux ;)
[14:19] <nid0> why not just not bother knowing any languages, and outsource it all to china
[14:19] <knoppies> nid0, did you hear about that too?
[14:20] <nid0> what i'd love to know is where in gods name the guy found an outsourcing service good enough for no-one to notice, and even for him (his outsourced work) to be "the best coder in the company"
[14:20] <knoppies> dwatkins, It would annoy me a bit, because sometimes I name temp dir things like asdf (I know to delete it because its a non-word). Im not sure how to write a function which could detect when a cat is typing without blocking out everything that doesnt fit into a dictionary.
[14:20] <user82> has anyone used the FM-transmitter script? it uses a rectangle PWM so might it mess around in other frequencies (military, emergency, police, etc)?
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[14:20] <nid0> not the kind of experience i've ever had with outsourced anything
[14:20] <user82> what do you think is it reasonable not to use it for long?
[14:20] <dwatkins> knoppies: me neither, perhaps contact the developer to find out how they detect it?
[14:20] <VetteWork> maybe he knew his stuff and reviewed/polished it up
[14:21] <knoppies> nid0, made me think it was a service rather than a single guy, but maybe he found an ad for a single Chinese guy who was looking for work. Also sounds like he gave them his login details.
[14:21] <knoppies> VetteWork, that did cross my mind too, but from the news I heard (I know they talk bull) he just watched cat videos and browsed reddit all day.
[14:21] <nid0> yeah he fedexed them his rsa key so they could access the vpn
[14:22] <VetteWork> Is repetitive actions common? I just tried to open terminal, under a bit of cpu load, and got about 10 windows... i have had keys "stick" as well
[14:22] <knoppies> nid0, oh, I didnt get that much detail.
[14:22] <nid0> and supposedly his "typical day" consisted of no actual work at all
[14:22] <nid0> other than an update email to his boss at the end of the day
[14:22] <knoppies> VetteWork, what OS? I assume linux?
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[14:22] <knoppies> nid0, what boss makes you tell them what you have done in a day every day over email???
[14:22] <VetteWork> nid0, im not a coder, so couldnt say what QC takes, but where I work I can QC ppls work in a few hours a week
[14:23] <VetteWork> knoppies, yes linux, rasbian on my Pi
[14:23] <knoppies> if he wrote an email describing what he had done (even in the slightest detail) then he would have to have known something about what the Chinese were doing for him.
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[14:24] <knoppies> VetteWork, ok, then Im not sure, but the Pi has a dodgey USB stack. (in my experience). I've had it not detect when I release a key on some keyboards. (I have to admit I haven't turned it on in a while). Using a better keyboard did help though.
[14:24] <knoppies> made it impossible to type in passwords because I never knew when it typed one or multiples of the same key.
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[14:25] <VetteWork> i think i just broke my pi... haha was updating and tried to open another terminal, proc pegged and now it went black with nothing...
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[14:25] <VetteWork> how do i know if i should power cycle it or let it sit? (first update i have done to it)
[14:26] <knoppies> VetteWork, at the worst you have to reflash your SD card. I doubt you bricked it. Are the lights still flashing?
[14:27] <knoppies> VetteWork, when I update I do it from the terminal, and because I use a 2G SD card I often have to do them in chunks (as I dont have enough spare space to download all the deb files). I also have to clear out the apt cache each time.
[14:27] <VetteWork> I doubt i bricked it, but still DOH!
[14:27] <knoppies> I dont update often because its not on all the time anymore.
[14:27] <VetteWork> its in a case, but i see no flashing
[14:28] <VetteWork> we are about to roll this one out as a "kiosk", so wanted to get it up to date as possible for now.. probably wont see an update ever again
[14:28] <VetteWork> planning to order another 3-5 next week
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[14:28] <knoppies> VetteWork, if its connected to the internet you could SSH in for updates and things. Im sure there are ways to auto script that sort of thing (cron for instance??)
[14:29] <knoppies> I wonder if someone has written a script or system to aid that process, such as preventing it from updating a specific package.
[14:29] <VetteWork> it will be accessible, but its function is to display a webpage that autorefreshes..
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[14:30] <knoppies> ok, well if you are not worried too much about it becoming a security concern then provided the webpage renders correctly.
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[14:31] <VetteWork> which is why i need some sort of AD auth to autorun, connects to a local sharepoint server that has a generic user on it that i need to login as
[14:31] <knoppies> Im not sure how to help you there.
[14:32] <xzr> you can hold back packages with apt
[14:32] <VetteWork> one solution i could make sense of, doesnt seem to be avail
[14:32] <xzr> google for "apt pinning"
[14:32] <knoppies> xzr, I know, but I dont know how to.
[14:32] <knoppies> oh thanks.
[14:33] <xzr> VetteWork: what do you want to do exactly
[14:34] <VetteWork> when i load website in chromium i get prompted for u/p
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[14:34] <VetteWork> i want to not get that.
[14:34] <VetteWork> havent found a way to auth thru URL (like :user@pass for an FTP)
[14:35] <VetteWork> so was looking for a way to auth prior to loading chromium
[14:35] <knoppies> VetteWork, really? thats supposed to be in there. um. give me a sec.
[14:35] <xzr> hmm
[14:35] <knoppies> VetteWork, you sure this doesnt work? ftp://username:password@hostname/
[14:35] <knoppies> I dont know if doing it in a URL is a good idea, its easy to packet sniff that stuff.
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[14:36] <VetteWork> its connecting to a local sharepoint server, which is trusted by main AD server, but generic username is local only
[14:36] <xzr> it depends on the authentication scheme
[14:36] <VetteWork> its a user setup for one part of sharepoint server only, a status page
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[14:37] <VetteWork> knoppies, for FTP that would work, but its an http:/site/page.aspx page
[14:37] <knoppies> oh
[14:38] <VetteWork> but that did work
[14:38] <VetteWork> i guess i was thinking of FTP creds wrong (sorry, its 8 hours earlier of a work day for me today
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[14:39] <VetteWork> why was that not found in google searches, or is my google-foo bad this morning too. hah
[14:40] <xzr> not sure how one would do that with a browser
[14:40] <knoppies> so you managed to get it working? I dont know sharepoint but it might have an auth with POST data.
[14:40] <VetteWork> NM, its being weird
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[14:42] <VetteWork> it does seem to work.
[14:42] <xzr> I wonder if you could fetch the cookie with curl
[14:42] <VetteWork> now to get autorun setup
[14:42] <VetteWork> and figure out how to get the screensaver/blank to stop
[14:44] <xzr> http://curl.haxx.se/docs/httpscripting.html
[14:44] <xzr> I'd look into that
[14:44] <xzr> login with curl, store cookie, open chromium?
[14:45] <VetteWork> xzr, i think the user:pass@site worked, I am setting up autostart file right now, will reboot and see if it worked or not for sure.
[14:46] <xzr> I'm not much of a http wizard but I managed to do something similar in ruby a while back
[14:47] <xzr> to get one of our systems to auth on bugzilla and fetch data from there
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[14:55] <VetteWork> autostart/.desktop file "Exec=/usr/bin/chromium http://user:pass@domain/page.aspx" comes up with a site not found, wait 10 seconds and refresh and it loads...
[14:58] <VetteWork> where would I put the sleep 10 command?
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[15:03] <booyaa> Shift_: weve got uour codes
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[15:03] <Shift_> booyaa, wha?
[15:05] <booyaa> Shift_: 2B00 5101 6CFE 7D03 7CFD 6D02 5100 2AFE 0003 CEFD A602 89FF 8001 89FE A602 CEFF FF00
[15:06] <Shift_> booyaa, ah, a bit of a mispaste, not NAS encryption keys or anything.
[15:06] <booyaa> :(
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[15:07] <Shift_> If I recall correctly, it's 2's complement representation of a half cycle of a sine wave
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[15:12] <VetteWork> there a way to check autostart/.desktop without rebooting?
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[15:20] <streetmapp> /window stick off
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[15:29] <user82> fm transmitter works pretty well...better not use it for longer though
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[15:30] <Ryiel> Hello :)
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[15:31] <davzie> user82: How did you build one?
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[15:31] <davzie> I want to build one, drive to work with it running on the UK's most popular radio frequency just playing Trololololo
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[15:35] <arcanescu> do you require a license to enable the h264 encode on the pi ?
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[15:37] <arcanescu> or which firmware onwards has it been enabled?
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[15:41] <user82> davzie, http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter
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[15:41] <user82> but i would not use it..you never know what else it disturbs
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[15:43] <booyaa> its only got a range of a few feet with no aerial
[15:43] <booyaa> its like one of those mp3 fm transmitters
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[15:45] <davzie> user82: there is rarely (in the UK0 ever real issue with interferring with FM frequencies except for the regulators getting pissed off)
[15:45] <davzie> All other stuff has gone digital now
[15:45] <user82> davzie, it is far from a clean signal. if unlucky you mess up the 501(example)mhz police/military frequency
[15:46] <user82> i would not want to use it personally
[15:46] <user82> but it works..gave it a 5min test run
[15:47] <herdingcat> hi, what fs you are running for RPi?
[15:47] <herdingcat> ext4?
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[15:47] <user82> yes herdingcat the default one..i am using it
[15:47] <davzie> user82: Hold on, you mean yuo're not limited to what frequencies you can broadcast on?
[15:47] <davzie> That IS bad.
[15:48] <davzie> If you can screw up UHF frequencies then yes that can mess up emergency services, local securities, airport securities etc.
[15:48] <user82> davzie, i am not a pro...but it uses a rectingular PWM signal and that might mess up a lot. there have been discussions on that but none with definite awnsers
[15:48] <user82> see some here: http://blog.makezine.com/2012/12/10/raspberry-pi-as-an-fm-transmitter/
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[15:49] <user82> uhm nope...sorry wrong link
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[15:50] <user82> any pros here. if transmitting with a rect signal would it be on many other frequencies too(according to fft etc.)?
[15:51] <linuxstb> arcanescu: No, you don't need a license. I can't recall when it was enabled, but a good few months ago.
[15:51] <user82> davzie, see the awnser from "liz": http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=25385
[15:52] <mjr> I doubt you can really mess up anything with the minuscule signal that hsck can put out
[15:52] <user82> she is one of the creators of the pi afaik and talks about UK
[15:52] <linuxstb> arcanescu: But also, I'm not aware of any functioning software to use the hardware encoder. The closest is omxtx - http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=25022
[15:52] <arcanescu> linuxstb: thanks, the encoder on my side keeps saying component in error state: insufficent resources
[15:52] <linuxstb> Perhaps you don't have enough GPU RAM assigned?
[15:52] <arcanescu> linuxstb: ive manage to get the decode to work, the encoder keep complaining of resources
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[15:53] <arcanescu> linuxstb: on the raspi-config ive set the GPU to 256m im usin ga 512 pi
[15:53] <Holden> user82 a square wave signal theoretically has all odd harmonics (think about its fourier series), and they decrease in amplitude as (4??V)/(pi??n) where n=1,3,5...
[15:53] <linuxstb> arcanescu: Then I don't know. What software are you using?
[15:53] <user82> so Holden you woudl agree transmitting on 100mhz FM might mess up 300mhz...500mhz....etc?
[15:53] <arcanescu> im trying to fix the gst-omx linuxstb
[15:54] <linuxstb> arcanescu: Have you tested omxtx? That would at least show your hardware/firmware is working.
[15:54] <Holden> user82, well, if you don't filter them, then yes... you'd have all those harmonics in the signal you irradiate
[15:54] <arcanescu> linuxstb: ive not tested that
[15:54] <linuxstb> Looking at that code may also help.
[15:54] <user82> thought so... davzie better do not use it for constant streaming
[15:55] <arcanescu> linuxstb: the git on that is empty
[15:55] <linuxstb> arcanescu: How does gst-omx work? Does it set up the complete pipeline on the GPU, or is it copying data back to the CPU?
[15:55] <linuxstb> arcanescu: Read the README
[15:55] <linuxstb> Oops, a typo. It should be https://github.com/dickontoo/omxtx
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[15:56] <arcanescu> linuxstb: afaik it sets up a pipeline on the gpu
[15:57] <arcanescu> linuxstb: and it does use openmax#
[15:57] <davzie> user82, Holden okay I'll remember that cheers :)
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[15:59] <gordonDrogon> A-Ha. Farnell have shipped my new Pi's.
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[16:03] <arcanescu> linuxstb: it requires libavformat
[16:04] <arcanescu> linuxstb: would you know if it needs the dev packages or binaries?
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[16:12] <dape> uhm, just connected my first rpi to a benq monitor via hdmi, it says "signal not detected".. leds seem fine, the red one the network leds.. the card has raspbian install files on it, usb keyboard is connected.. still no output to the monitor after a power recoonect.. any ideas please?
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[16:13] <arcanescu> linuxstb: that doesnt work either Writing initial frame buffer contents out... ...done. Wrote 0 frames. then keeps printing this Frame 43 ( 1s). Frames last second: 0
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[16:16] <Perkele> dape: what do you mean by install files? are you sure you copied the image properly?
[16:16] <dape> yes, i got it, had a hdmi to dvi convertor around, seems to work now !
[16:17] <Perkele> k
[16:17] <Perkele> strange
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[16:19] <linuxstb> arcanescu: What kind of input file are you using? I've had problems with h264 as input, but MPEG-2 works OK.
[16:19] <linuxstb> arcanescu: dickon (the author of omxtx) says he has more luck with the latest git version of libav, rather than the raspbian versions.
[16:20] <linuxstb> (I'm just using the raspbian versions)
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[16:23] <arcanescu> linuxstb: this is what im doing: ./omxtx -b 200000 /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_video/test.h264 test.h264
[16:23] <linuxstb> Let me try that...
[16:25] <linuxstb> arcanescu: That works fine for me.
[16:25] <arcanescu> linuxstb: in a sense im just transcoding a h264 file
[16:25] <arcanescu> linuxstb: does it transcode it fine? ... can you -m switch with it aswell since that does not work for me
[16:26] <linuxstb> Yes, -m works. It transcodes at around 30fps.
[16:26] <linuxstb> Have you run rpi-update recently? (or at all?)
[16:26] <arcanescu> strange none of that works for me
[16:26] <arcanescu> yes rpi-update upgrade everything
[16:27] <arcanescu> *** Raspberry Pi firmware updater by Hexxeh, enhanced by AndrewS *** Performing self-update ? this one?
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[16:28] <linuxstb> Yes.
[16:28] <arcanescu> well i did that yesterday let me try again, i did get a error back before at the end of it saying libav1394 is not an elf file or something
[16:28] <linuxstb> I'm just using Raspbian, with the libav* libraries installed via apt-get.
[16:29] <arcanescu> libavc1394 somethin, linuxstb same i just did apt-get install libavformat-dev
[16:29] <linuxstb> I last ran rpi-update abour 4 or 5 days ago.
[16:30] <linuxstb> You could try deleting /root/.rpi-firmware/ and running rpi-update again.
[16:30] <linuxstb> And then did you reboot after rpi-update?
[16:31] <arcanescu> ldconfig: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libavc1394.so.0 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. this is what i got at rpi-update
[16:31] * streetmapp sigh
[16:31] <arcanescu> yes i rebooted,
[16:32] <streetmapp> i can't win with my config to get around blocked ports
[16:32] <streetmapp> granted i should be doing this at home, and not at work
[16:32] <linuxstb> arcanescu: Hmm, that looks odd. Perhaps your SD card got corrupted.
[16:32] <linuxstb> arcanescu: You could try re-installing the libavc1394 package.
[16:33] <streetmapp> but if it's not my ISP its what my work filters. tried a no-ip port 80 redirect and it works at home, but not so much with work
[16:33] <arcanescu> linuxstb: any idea on how to re-install the libavc1394 without messing the current contents of the sd card?
[16:34] <linuxstb> arcanescu: You could try apt-get install --reinstall libavc1394
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[16:35] <arcanescu> Unable to locate package libavc1394
[16:35] <linuxstb> Ah libavc1394-0
[16:35] <linuxstb> And then try running "ldconfig" as root, to see if that still gives any errors
[16:36] <arcanescu> will do , after that ill try rpi-update again
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[16:36] <arcanescu> no errors now
[16:36] <linuxstb> But thinking about it, that probably wasn't your problem. Good to fix it anyway though.
[16:36] <arcanescu> yea, trying to zone out the problem really,
[16:36] <dape> anyone had luck installing with raspbian rpi_installer_08-19-12.zip files ? cause mine gives me stupid errors
[16:37] <arcanescu> how much GPU RAM did you allocate linuxstb?
[16:37] <linuxstb> arcanescu: 128MB. You could double-check this by looking at /proc/meminfo
[16:37] <arcanescu> let me check that
[16:37] <linuxstb> That should show what the CPU has - i.e. 256MB in your case.
[16:38] <dape> seems instructions from http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller are outdated, the mirror in the tutorial doesnt work anymore
[16:38] <arcanescu> MemTotal: 253904 kB
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[16:38] <linuxstb> arcanescu: OK, so that looks right.
[16:39] <arcanescu> let me re run the omxtx
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[16:40] <arcanescu> well blimey its working
[16:40] <linuxstb> Hurray ;)
[16:40] <linuxstb> Perhaps the ldconfig didn't run properly, and it was picking up an old library.
[16:41] <arcanescu> thanks a heap... let me try my gstomx now maybe thats working too
[16:41] <linuxstb> Although I would have expected it to have just skipped that one file...
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[16:41] <VetteWork> How do I get Exec= command to be delayed? Trying to do an autostart of chromium using .desktop file, but I can't get the SLEEP 30s to work. have looked online and found few ways, none work. Even built a .sh and it didnt work
[16:41] <linuxstb> BTW, I think the people playing with omxtx would be interested to know about your progress with gst-omx if you wanted to post to that forum thread.
[16:42] <arcanescu> me too, its just a catch22 its good to just get rid of any errors you can see ive learnt.
[16:42] <arcanescu> linxustb: yues just going to try now and if it works ill post a followup
[16:43] <Torikun> sup
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[16:49] <DexterLB> is there a chance for OpenMAX to ever support alsa or pulseaudio?
[16:49] <DexterLB> or anything other than hdmi and analog
[16:50] <Nebukadneza> mhmm
[16:50] <Nebukadneza> xbmc on raspbian is ... a little strange oO
[16:51] <DexterLB> oh?
[16:52] <VetteWork> FINALLY found the right way.. Exec=bash -c "sleep 30s && chromium"
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[16:54] <VetteWork> now to get screensaver turned off... anyone know trick for that one?
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[16:54] <Nebukadneza> slow like hell ;(
[16:54] <VetteWork> I tried some xset thing I found online, but doesnt seem to work
[16:55] <l_r> what a pain
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[16:55] <l_r> whenever i attach my usb-wifi dongle the pi goes down
[16:55] <l_r> power is 5V - 1A
[16:56] <l_r> which should be correct
[16:56] <l_r> it cannot reboot with the dongle attached
[16:56] <dickon> arcanescu: Yes, if you get gst working, let me know...
[16:57] <arcanescu> dickon: nope, only the decoder is working not the encoder
[16:57] <dickon> Did you get anything out of omxtx?
[16:57] <l_r> the usb port of my laptop does a better job
[16:57] <arcanescu> dickon: also the gst-omx raspberry branch is to be ignore 0.10.... i have 1.0 working decoder
[16:57] <arcanescu> dickon: no im still looking at it
[16:58] <DexterLB> also, does mplayer support openmax now?
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[16:58] <VetteWork> l_r, have u tried a different power supply/cable? I had a good PS but the retractable USB cable I have wouldnt push the current, replaced it with a standard cable and power has been better
[16:58] <arcanescu> dickon: if you also want to have a look at it, look gst-omx master
[16:59] <dickon> I will at some point. I'm working ATM (at least notionally).
[16:59] <arcanescu> apparently you have to build it with some struct-packing args to get it to work otherwise it wont work on the pi at all
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[16:59] <Torikun> anyone running gentoo on the pi
[17:00] <dickon> omxtx commit 76c81dc154de3d2eb59f87d147ce4e0271a507e7 should produce a file you can feed to hello_video I think.
[17:00] <dickon> It doesn't attempt to remux, just dumps the raw NALs to disc.
[17:00] <l_r> VetteWork, what do you mean standard cable
[17:01] <arcanescu> dickon I will look into that
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[17:02] <arcanescu> dickon: do you know the inport and outport indices for the encoder?
[17:02] <VetteWork> l_r, I went from the thin retractable one to a regular one that came with a cell phone
[17:02] <dickon> 200 / 201 IIRC.
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[17:03] <dickon> arcanescu: Find a copy of firmware/documentation/ilcomponents/index.html and view it in a browser.
[17:03] <arcanescu> dickon: thats what i have 200 201.... hmmmm
[17:03] <l_r> VetteWork, the same as me
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[17:04] <arcanescu> dickon: it keeps comign bag with insufficent resourcse.... let me show you a log maybe it makes some sense to what you saw maybe in omxtx
[17:04] <dickon> If it's complaining about insufficient resources you've probabyl got your tunnelling wrong, or haven't sorted out buffers on the output.
[17:04] <VetteWork> l_r, you said it works when using laptop USB to power the pi?
[17:04] <megaproxy> i wrote a blog post for my works site about the pi :D
[17:04] <megaproxy> about how we use it to monitor our servers etc
[17:05] <VetteWork> mega, SNMP?
[17:05] <megaproxy> we use nagios
[17:05] <megaproxy> got the pi behind tv displaying that
[17:05] <arcanescu> dickon: http://pastebin.com/JjLwpfbE
[17:05] <megaproxy> then another cycles through browser tabs showing network graphs
[17:05] <megaproxy> the post will be up soonish, ill link it then
[17:06] <megaproxy> this is how i made the slideshow thing http://rdx4.com/wiki/doku.php?id=slideshow&s[]=slideshow
[17:06] <megaproxy> as there was no plugin for midori
[17:06] <VetteWork> mega, that uses SNMP traps right?
[17:06] <neilr> The S5 plugin for dokuwiki is good
[17:06] <arcanescu> dickon: tunneling?
[17:06] <megaproxy> VetteWork, quite possibly
[17:06] <megaproxy> infact i think it does yes
[17:07] <VetteWork> link to blog?
[17:07] <megaproxy> http://tsohost.com/blog
[17:07] <megaproxy> its not up yet. wont be long tho
[17:07] <megaproxy> there are other posts, but unrelated to pi
[17:07] <l_r> VetteWork, yes, the cable is from the cell
[17:07] <VetteWork> I plan to use some pi units at remote sites, want to do the SNMP creation on that end, vs monitoring. But I dont have a monitoring solution in mind yet.
[17:08] <VetteWork> l_r, try a different wall adapter
[17:08] <dickon> arcanescu: Oh, you're not not doing that.
[17:08] <arcanescu> dickon: its not tunneling
[17:08] <dickon> No, so I see.
[17:09] <dickon> What are you trying to feed it?
[17:09] <megaproxy> VetteWork, we have the pi display from a webpage
[17:09] <megaproxy> i dont think the pi itself could handle it
[17:09] <arcanescu> video buffers
[17:09] <megaproxy> it might be able to, something ill try in future
[17:09] <dickon> From?
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[17:10] <arcanescu> well gstreamer has an element videotestsrc it generates a test pattern I420 colorspace ->encoder
[17:10] <dickon> Any idea if that's correctly formatted for the encoder?
[17:10] <arcanescu> 320x240 res atm
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[17:10] <VetteWork> I dont want to do the trapping on a pi, we have plenty of old servers to use.. but at remote sites I want to use pis for creating the SNMP data (using GPI's probably?) and sending it to trap server.
[17:10] <arcanescu> dickon: i think so, im not sure
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[17:11] <dickon> arcanescu: I've only ever fed it the output of the decoder -- which I know is right, as it's a supported thing to do -- so I'm not sure what you'd need to do to diagnose that.
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[17:12] <Nebukadneza> is it normal for xbmc (both standalone and on x11) to be on 100% cpu all the time? Oo
[17:12] <arcanescu> dickon: hmmm, anyway im on it, the thing is if that works you can feed it any live video
[17:13] <ExeciN> once I sudo halt my pi, how can I make it boot again? Is there any other way than turning it off and on again?
[17:13] <dickon> arcanescu: Yes, but that's not as easy as you might hope.
[17:13] <dickon> Trust me on this :-)
[17:13] <VetteWork> "apt-get -f install" does that install all dependancies? or force installs without them?
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[17:14] <arcanescu> dickon: lets give it a go, than never know ^^
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[17:19] <linuxstb> VetteWork: "man apt-get"
[17:20] <Torikun> -f ignores user input
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[17:20] <Torikun> -f, --fix-broken
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[17:20] * megaproxy is redesigning the 2u pi case
[17:21] <Torikun> how is it going Meatballs
[17:21] <Torikun> I mean megaproxy
[17:22] <megaproxy> hard
[17:22] <megaproxy> lol
[17:22] <megaproxy> im no 3d designer so im just winging it
[17:22] <Torikun> do you have a 2U case available
[17:22] <Torikun> or you desigining it then having it made
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[17:23] <megaproxy> i have a few cases
[17:23] <megaproxy> lots of 1u ones
[17:23] <megaproxy> http://imgur.com/a/eBoUc
[17:23] <megaproxy> mah servers
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[17:24] <megaproxy> there are more 2u's laying around somewhere
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[17:24] <Torikun> supermicro
[17:24] <Torikun> lol
[17:24] <IT_Sean> That does not appear to be an industry approved, proeprly grounded, all metal rack
[17:24] <Torikun> lol
[17:24] <ParkerR> I don't get it. what is 2U?
[17:24] <megaproxy> :P
[17:24] <megaproxy> 2u = 2 unit
[17:24] * Torikun hates supermicro
[17:24] <nid0> 2u is 2 rack units
[17:24] <megaproxy> Torikun, so do i
[17:24] <megaproxy> thats why i have all the cases
[17:25] <megaproxy> work threw the servers out
[17:25] <Torikun> lol
[17:25] <ParkerR> Ahh
[17:25] <nid0> its a measurement of server height based on server rack dimensions
[17:25] <Torikun> They have horrible boards
[17:25] <megaproxy> indeed
[17:25] <Torikun> and do not test well
[17:25] <Torikun> i worked for a company that sold supermicro products for clustering
[17:25] <mapee> hey guys, which distro do you suggest for home server functionality?
[17:25] <Torikun> many pprobs
[17:25] <megaproxy> mapee, for ease, ubuntu
[17:25] <Torikun> I am using arch mapee on my pi for my servers
[17:25] <mapee> megaproxy, on rpi ofc
[17:25] <Torikun> CentOS for a real non-pi server
[17:25] <megaproxy> oh wait were talking pi's
[17:25] <megaproxy> haha
[17:25] <megaproxy> derp
[17:26] <megaproxy> IT_Sean, http://i.imgur.com/qgfSG.jpg
[17:26] <megaproxy> better?
[17:26] <Torikun> Nice cabeling
[17:26] <megaproxy> i did it :D
[17:26] <megaproxy> haha
[17:26] <ParkerR> megaproxy, Now that's some cable porn
[17:26] <Torikun> Nice work
[17:26] <megaproxy> (thats why its nice ofc ;))
[17:26] <megaproxy> we cabled up a whole cage..
[17:26] <Nebukadneza> """SanDisk Extreme SDHC 16GB Class 10""" <-- would this be a appropriately fast card for the pi?
[17:26] <IT_Sean> megaproxy: Niiiice wiring management
[17:26] <Torikun> What type of cluster is that megaproxy
[17:26] <megaproxy> http://imgur.com/a/KR7C6 < album
[17:27] <megaproxy> its our hosting cluster
[17:27] <megaproxy> i think they might all be cpanel servers
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[17:27] <Torikun> what clustering software?
[17:27] <megaproxy> so not actually a cluster.
[17:27] <Torikun> oh
[17:27] <megaproxy> our actual cluster is our own stuff
[17:27] <megaproxy> all bespoke
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[17:27] <Torikun> bespoke?
[17:27] <megaproxy> i hope thats the right word..
[17:27] <ParkerR> Nebukadneza, It works but is flaky on boot sometimes
[17:27] <Torikun> beowulf?
[17:27] <megaproxy> it means cloathing made to fit
[17:27] <megaproxy> :|
[17:27] <Torikun> lol
[17:27] <ParkerR> Sometimes it just goes to solid green and red
[17:27] <megaproxy> ok not what i meant lol
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[17:27] <Nebukadneza> ParkerR: flakey? (do you have the card?)
[17:28] <ParkerR> Nebukadneza, Yes
[17:28] <megaproxy> basically we wrote it all
[17:28] <ParkerR> Nebukadneza, I have to keep power cycling until it decides to work
[17:28] <Nebukadneza> uhm
[17:28] <Nebukadneza> that sounds a bit inconvenient
[17:28] <ParkerR> A bit
[17:28] <mapee> Torikun, how stable and package rich the arch-arm?
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[17:29] <Nebukadneza> the pi is intended to be used on the tv-set for my parents, i doubt they'd like powercycling oO
[17:29] <Torikun> pi needs a power button
[17:29] <ParkerR> Nebukadneza, Streaming media?
[17:29] <Torikun> lol
[17:29] <DeliriumTremens> megaproxy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812339103
[17:29] <DeliriumTremens> those?
[17:29] <Nebukadneza> ParkerR: yes, that too
[17:30] <Nebukadneza> and playing some local things
[17:30] <megaproxy> DeliriumTremens, watwat
[17:30] <ParkerR> Nebukadneza, A 4 or 8gb class 4 should do for their needs
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[17:30] <DeliriumTremens> megaproxy: those are the cables you used, aren't they
[17:30] <megaproxy> ooh
[17:30] <megaproxy> we made our own
[17:30] <megaproxy> just buy them on reels
[17:31] <DeliriumTremens> did you bedazzle them yourselves?
[17:31] <IT_Sean> he does.
[17:31] <ParkerR> Nebukadneza, My 4g class 4 boot every time
[17:31] <ParkerR> *4gb
[17:31] <Torikun> pink lol
[17:31] <ParkerR> *boots
[17:31] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/Cauu5h.jpg
[17:31] <megaproxy> we mainly used purple :D
[17:31] <DeliriumTremens> what is your company called, Easter Hosting? what gives with all the pastels?
[17:31] <ParkerR> megaproxy, I want your job
[17:31] <megaproxy> then on the data rack, pink = live data
[17:31] <Torikun> lol
[17:31] <megaproxy> the blue = drac
[17:32] <megaproxy> DeliriumTremens, we like to be different
[17:32] <megaproxy> notice the dayglow orange PDU
[17:32] <megaproxy> only company in the DC with that
[17:32] <megaproxy> and they were custom made for us :D
[17:32] <DeliriumTremens> Little. Yellow. Different.
[17:32] <DeliriumTremens> Nuprin.
[17:32] <megaproxy> this is the company : http://paragon.net.uk/
[17:32] <IT_Sean> Seriousily nice cable management there. I'm a bit jelly.
[17:32] <IT_Sean> The rack at $oldjob was a MESS
[17:33] <megaproxy> messy racks are the worst
[17:33] <megaproxy> some of our racks are awfull
[17:33] <DeliriumTremens> My current server room *cough*closet*cough* is a mess
[17:33] <megaproxy> were gradually moving them though.
[17:33] <DeliriumTremens> but we're moving to a new location soon, so I haven't really bothered cleaning it up
[17:33] <megaproxy> and were about to build our own datacentre :DDDD
[17:33] <IT_Sean> it was basically a big WAD of wires. Mains voltage mixed in with data in a giant rats nest.
[17:33] <megaproxy> its going to be SOOO fun
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[17:33] <megaproxy> i think were going to timelapse it too ^_^
[17:34] <IT_Sean> I kept trying to clean it up a bit, but, it never really got any better, and i couldn't down the rack for a day to strip it and start over.
[17:34] <Torikun> When you install teh servers, why not cable them neat in the beginning?
[17:34] <IT_Sean> It got to the point you couldn't shut the door on the back side of the rack
[17:34] <megaproxy> Torikun, thats always the plan, but then this server needs to go there
[17:34] <megaproxy> and this thing needs here
[17:34] <Torikun> oh
[17:34] <megaproxy> and this cable died so we put new one here, but to get old one out need to take them all out
[17:34] <megaproxy> it gradually happens
[17:34] <megaproxy> or in some cases, its just lazy
[17:34] <Torikun> retractable cables!
[17:35] <Torikun> use that thing that winds up the cables in the shell
[17:35] <Torikun> keeps them neat
[17:35] <IT_Sean> at $oldjob it was lazyness. I was the only one that gave a toss.
[17:35] <nid0> some of our cabinets (particularly our clouc clusters) are a crazy multiclolour mass, all nicely laid out but there's just so many different cables to get in
[17:35] <IT_Sean> Ours weren't even color coded.
[17:35] <IT_Sean> :(
[17:35] <Torikun> wow
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[17:35] <megaproxy> colour coding is the best
[17:35] <megaproxy> helps so much + it looks awesome
[17:36] <nid0> we've got 5 different colours per rack for our clusters
[17:36] <IT_Sean> Yeah, i wanted to slap whomever put that rack together
[17:36] <Nebukadneza> ParkerR: i gather most "class 10" cards have some kinds of problems?
[17:36] <nid0> (just for ethernet)
[17:36] <IT_Sean> I wish i had a picture of it, it was so bad.
[17:36] <Torikun> Solution you all is to go Wireless =)
[17:36] <megaproxy> nid0, i think we have 3
[17:36] <megaproxy> purple for patching
[17:36] <megaproxy> pink for data
[17:36] <megaproxy> blue for dracs
[17:36] <megaproxy> yellow for fiber.. but that doesnt really count
[17:36] <Torikun> megaproxy: use wifi , problem solved =)
[17:37] <megaproxy> aha
[17:37] <megaproxy> just plug usb dongles in each server. It will work!
[17:37] <IT_Sean> Got a color coding system at $newjob. It's glorious.
[17:37] <megaproxy> that 2u case im working on, i plan to get colourd the same as the PDU's
[17:37] <megaproxy> dayglow orange
[17:38] <nid0> we've got blue for public data to switches, white for uplinks to the core network, green for backend storage area, pink for private management and black for hypervisor interconnects
[17:38] <megaproxy> i think im going for a quick walk in the snow
[17:39] <Torikun> I love that there is no snow here =)
[17:39] <IT_Sean> On our internal office network: Red for office servers. Blue for desk drops. Violet for VOIP phones. And day glow pink for the wireless network patches.
[17:39] <IT_Sean> What is this "snow" you speak of?
[17:39] <nid0> you should drop in the odd yellow cable between various things
[17:39] <Torikun> It is a cold sunny day today
[17:40] <nid0> that'll mess with people's heads nicely
[17:40] <l_r> does not firefox work well on raspberry?
[17:40] <Torikun> Cali has the best weather!
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[17:40] <l_r> i want a browser + flash to watch videos on youtube
[17:40] <l_r> suggestions?
[17:40] <Torikun> not on the pi
[17:40] <Torikun> lol
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[17:40] <l_r> why not
[17:40] <nid0> buy something faster than ap i
[17:41] <l_r> :(
[17:41] <Torikun> the pi has no flash
[17:41] <Torikun> you might be able to get html5 video
[17:41] <l_r> really?
[17:41] <Torikun> *might*
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[17:41] <Torikun> My daughter uses chrome over ssh
[17:41] <Torikun> to do anything she needs
[17:41] <ParkerR> Nebukadneza, I don't know. This is the first one I have owned
[17:41] <l_r> Torikun, because of performances or no support for flash on arm?
[17:41] <Torikun> both
[17:41] <ParkerR> Was $16 eve after tax
[17:41] <ParkerR> *even
[17:42] <l_r> Torikun, your daughter must be smart :)
[17:42] <Torikun> I set it up for her lol, she is learning linux sometimes lol
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[17:42] <Torikun> 7 years old
[17:42] <l_r> Torikun, html5...is it used by youtube?
[17:42] <Torikun> lol
[17:42] <Torikun> Youtube has some html5 support
[17:42] <l_r> good
[17:42] <l_r> apt-get install chrome then?
[17:42] <l_r> firefox is too heavy?
[17:43] <Torikun> I run chrome on another box
[17:43] <megaproxy> chrome barley runs on pi
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[17:43] <megaproxy> also you would want chromium, not chrome
[17:45] <ParkerR> l_r, Chrome is not in the repos
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[17:45] <ParkerR> Go with Chromium
[17:45] <Torikun> it does not matter if he uses ssh to run chrome
[17:46] <ParkerR> ? It runs in X
[17:46] <l_r> i actually control my pi via vnc
[17:46] <l_r> it's attached to the tv
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[17:46] <Torikun> Yeah
[17:46] <l_r> i want to use it as a mediaplayer
[17:46] <Torikun> ssh -CX root@server /usr/bin/chrome
[17:46] <l_r> i thought firefox+flash at first
[17:46] <Torikun> soudn will be on the server though
[17:46] <Torikun> not your pi
[17:47] <Nebukadneza> ParkerR: ok - thx ;)
[17:47] <l_r> sound on the server but not video
[17:47] <l_r> :)
[17:47] <|Jeroen|> or use midori
[17:47] <l_r> anyway..what's the diff between chromium and chrome?
[17:47] <l_r> midori
[17:47] <l_r> ?
[17:47] <|Jeroen|> its a lightweight webkit browser
[17:47] <Torikun> chromoum is open source
[17:48] <Torikun> chrome is propietary based on chromium
[17:48] <l_r> ae they both from google?
[17:48] <Torikun> Yeah
[17:48] <l_r> eheh damn google..
[17:48] <l_r> they know how to make money
[17:48] <l_r> the fact that youutube.com will provide me html5 instead of flash, what does it depend on? on the browser?
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[17:49] <l_r> they detect chrome+html5 and give me html5?
[17:49] <Torikun> you have to opt in for html 5
[17:49] <yamba> you goto youtube.com/html5 and enable it if you can
[17:49] <Torikun> https://www.youtube.com/html5
[17:49] <l_r> oh thx
[17:49] <l_r> let me ee
[17:50] <dniMretsaM> good morning, gentlemen
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[17:50] <IT_Sean> g'morning
[17:50] <yamba> morning dniMretsaM
[17:50] <l_r> do you think the pi is fast enough for html5?
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[17:52] <yamba> hmm i have not tryed anything but xbmc on mine
[17:52] <dniMretsaM> l_r: some kinds, probably
[17:53] <megaproxy> where can i get a crazy wifi antenna
[17:53] <megaproxy> with like 5km range
[17:54] <Nebukadneza> i doubt an antenna alone can manage that
[17:54] <Nebukadneza> except you have like, an ideal environment
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[17:57] <l_r> chromium says it does not support html5
[17:57] <l_r> and also h264 and webm
[17:57] <l_r> is it because i dont have the codec installed?
[17:58] <l_r> let me repeat
[17:58] <Torikun> get chrome
[17:58] <Torikun> lol
[17:58] <Torikun> get working first then you an tinker around
[17:58] <Nebukadneza> thou shalt not advise proprietary software on the network of freedom!
[17:58] <l_r> youtube.com/html5 says mt browser does not support h264/webm
[17:58] <Torikun> lol
[17:58] <Nebukadneza> ??? or so stallman would've said
[17:58] <l_r> yes but why should crhome work and not chromium?
[17:58] <l_r> arent they both fromm google
[17:59] <Torikun> casue google chrome includes everything
[17:59] <Torikun> that is a propietary difference so far it seems
[17:59] <Nebukadneza> one has an extended codebase and is proprietary, one is free
[17:59] <l_r> why would one support webm and h264 and the other not?
[17:59] <Torikun> you can ask #google this lol
[17:59] <Torikun> we can help you get up and running
[17:59] <l_r> the free one which does not support the free html5 is a contaddiction
[17:59] <l_r> anyway
[18:00] <l_r> let me install chrome then
[18:00] <l_r> i suppose it's not in the repos
[18:00] <Nebukadneza> nooooooooooooooooo
[18:00] <Torikun> what distro
[18:00] <l_r> raspbian
[18:00] <Nebukadneza> btw
[18:00] <Torikun> maybe google.com/chrome will give you a .deb
[18:00] <Nebukadneza> my chromium (x86 debian) does support all three
[18:00] <Nebukadneza> html5, x264 and webm
[18:00] <l_r> Nebukadneza, so it's a matter of installed codecs?
[18:01] <Nebukadneza> i'm not sure
[18:01] <l_r> Nebukadneza, i am talking about raspberry -chromium!
[18:01] <Nebukadneza> lemme see what the package recommends and depends on
[18:01] <l_r> ok
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[18:01] <Torikun> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)
[18:01] <Torikun> its all in the wiki page
[18:02] <Torikun> By default, Chromium only supports Vorbis, Theora and WebM codecs for the HTML5 audio and video tags; whereas Google Chrome supports these, plus AAC and MP3. On 11 January 2011, the Chrome Product manager, Mike Jazayeri, announced that Chrome will no longer support the H.264 video format for its HTML5 player, equally as Chromium does not.[12] As of November 2012, however, Chrome still supports H.2
[18:02] <l_r> i hope the chromium on the pi just does not find the required codecs
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[18:02] <l_r> Torikun, yes but my chromium on the PI does not support anything
[18:02] <Torikun> your not doing it over ssh?
[18:02] <l_r> no webm
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[18:02] <Nebukadneza> mh
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[18:03] <l_r> Torikun, i don't understand your question.. i am controlling the pi via vnc not ssh. but this does not matter. the fact is that chromium on the PI does not support any format useful for youtube.com/html5
[18:04] <Torikun> I was tellign you to install chrome on another server and have the pi run chrome over ssh to the server
[18:04] <l_r> and i am trying to understand why? is it a matter of libs or just it does not support in any case?
[18:04] <Nebukadneza> l_r: can you check chrome:flags?
[18:04] <l_r> Torikun, ah i see
[18:05] <l_r> Torikun, well..the audio won't come out from the pi :)
[18:05] <Torikun> nope lol
[18:05] <Torikun> you can somehow set it up with pule audio
[18:05] <l_r> Torikun, it's the pi that is attached to tv...
[18:06] <l_r> Torikun, pulse + html5 .. will be the pi resist to such attack to the cpu?
[18:06] <l_r> Nebukadneza, how can i check those flags?
[18:06] <Torikun> no idea
[18:06] <Nebukadneza> l_r: type it as an url in chromium
[18:06] <l_r> ok
[18:08] <Torikun> I was disappointed when chrome/flash would not run on the pi also
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[18:08] <Torikun> the pi was supposed to replace my daughters broken desktop lol
[18:08] <Nebukadneza> ahh
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[18:08] <l_r> Nebukadneza, nice page but there is nothing related to codecs :(
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[18:09] <Nebukadneza> i've found a few ubuntu packages that seem to encapsulate the needed codecs for chromium
[18:09] <Nebukadneza> now, you could get the source and bake it on the rbpi
[18:09] <Nebukadneza> and then release the binary packages for everyone to drool about ;P
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[18:09] <Nebukadneza> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/chromium-codecs-ffmpeg and http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra
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[18:13] <l_r> Nebukadneza, let me see if they are in the raspbian repos first
[18:13] <Nebukadneza> ah, yeah, sure ;)
[18:14] <l_r> Nebukadneza, they are here. and i have installed them automatically when i installed chromium
[18:15] <l_r> nothing to do
[18:15] <l_r> midori does not work too
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[18:22] <l_r> The default Midori version 0.4.x Web Browser has HTML5 'Video tag, h.264 and WebM' compliance.
[18:22] <l_r> IT DOES NOT
[18:23] <l_r> i have 0.4.3 and still no damn codec installed :(
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[18:31] <Kane> hey o/
[18:31] <Torikun> Yo
[18:31] <Kane> Torikun o/
[18:31] <Torikun> Whazzzzzzup
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[18:32] <l_r> LOL
[18:33] <l_r> now i have html5
[18:33] <l_r> would you like to know how i got the codecs for html5?
[18:33] <l_r> ...by installing glash plugin from gnu
[18:33] <l_r> funny
[18:34] <Torikun> glash?
[18:34] <mjr> it's gnash, and it's not html5, it's a flash implementation (not too complete)
[18:35] <Torikun> lol
[18:35] <Torikun> how i gnash on the pi
[18:35] <l_r> gnash
[18:35] <l_r> probably i also have flash too
[18:35] <l_r> let me see
[18:38] <l_r> Torikun, i also have flash on chromium... just install the gnash plugin and you will have both html5 with any browser on the pi and flash
[18:39] <Torikun> ok
[18:39] <l_r> the gnash plugin seems faster than html5
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[18:59] <Torikun> megaproxy: I hooked up my laptop as a node
[18:59] <Torikun> 3 nodes for my website, 4 later today lol
[18:59] <megaproxy> hahah
[18:59] <megaproxy> hax
[18:59] <Torikun> Might as well lol
[18:59] <Nebukadneza> l_r: dafuq?! Oo
[18:59] <Nebukadneza> strange
[19:02] <Torikun> megaproxy: due to the slow IO on the PI, it is faster having teh web files stored locally
[19:02] <megaproxy> makes sense
[19:02] <Torikun> I tried doing it via NAS and NFS on one pi but took forever to load the site
[19:02] <megaproxy> shove a ssd in
[19:02] <megaproxy> let it do the db too :D
[19:03] <Torikun> the SD can handle the DB fine
[19:03] <Torikun> lol
[19:03] <ShadowJK> does rpi have overall slow IO, or just the normal SD 100kbyte/s performance
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[19:03] <Torikun> ShadowJK: The NIC USB and SD share the same bandwith
[19:03] <Torikun> all on the same bus
[19:03] <double-you> 100kbyte/s? how come?
[19:03] <scummos> SD is more like 4MB/s
[19:03] <scummos> at the very least
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[19:05] <BCMM> Torikun: are you sure the SD is on the same bus?
[19:05] <Torikun> Yes
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[19:05] <Torikun> according to what I heard from this room
[19:05] <mjr> it's not
[19:05] <BCMM> i know that both USB ports and the ethernet are on one USB hub, but the SD isn't a USB device
[19:05] <Torikun> What is the correct answeR?
[19:06] <BCMM> model A has no onboard USB hub, and it still has a USB port and an SD card
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[19:06] <BCMM> althought i guess it's possible that they use the same bus inside the SoC, "upstream" from the USB controller as it were
[19:06] <BCMM> would seem odd though
[19:07] <Torikun> It explains the horrible io
[19:07] <double-you> I have 10 mbyte/s from usb-card -> rpi (samba) -> ethernet, that's great
[19:08] <double-you> *usb-stick
[19:08] <booyaa> Torikun: what was the node thing you were referring earlier?
[19:08] <Torikun> I have a few Pi's and the drupal site I have is loadbalanced
[19:09] <Torikun> I added my laptop as a node to the nginx cluster
[19:09] <Torikun> each node can process the php request
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[19:09] <Torikun> 1 pi is the database server
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[19:09] <mjr> yeah people have been getting more performance out of it as a nas than I expected. (Not stellar, to be sure, but decent for a 100M ethernet anyway)
[19:09] <Torikun> too slow for a nas
[19:09] <Torikun> lol
[19:09] <Torikun> it could not handle my time machine backup, always had issues
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[19:10] <cairne> given its power usage it is decent as a nas
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[19:10] <Torikun> No it is not
[19:10] <Torikun> slow IO
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[19:10] <BCMM> physical hard disks are slow already
[19:10] <cairne> i wouldn't use it for production or anything mission critical but its not horible
[19:10] <AndrevS> Depends on your needs. I use a Pi as a NAS to store music and videos. Works fine for that
[19:11] <Torikun> ok, super small storage needs like AndrevS said
[19:11] <Torikun> not for backups
[19:11] <Torikun> or large files
[19:11] <BCMM> AndrevS has a point, there are NAS use-cases where you only need a certain amount of bandwidth
[19:11] <mjr> https://plus.google.com/u/0/106687703965426882539/posts/iKRstTRJdwg says >7MB/s out of the box, I think that's decent for what it is
[19:11] <BCMM> unless you like watching films as fast as possible.
[19:11] <mjr> to get much faster you'd need that gigabit ethernet already
[19:11] <booyaa> Torikun: ah
[19:11] <Torikun> it is a good nas solution for music and text files
[19:12] <AndrevS> Three hard disks on there.... and I am planning to buy another usb hd soon.
[19:12] <BCMM> but physical hard disks only acheive a few dozen MB/s anyway
[19:12] <mjr> cairne, the stability uncertainty is, then, a different matter :]
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[19:12] <cairne> i don't think it was ever really thought of as something for major backup
[19:12] <Torikun> or a nas solution
[19:12] <warddr> anyone any idea if this would work as ups for raspberry pi? http://dx.com/p/3000mah-emergency-mobile-power-rechargeable-battery-pack-with-cell-phone-adapter-black-55928
[19:12] <BCMM> so it's not like being forced to use half a USB worth of bandwidth limits things by an order-of-magnitude or something
[19:12] <cairne> technically it wasn't designed for half the things people use it for
[19:12] <Torikun> Yup
[19:13] <mjr> BCMM, indeed, that was my point
[19:13] <Torikun> there are far better board for a few dollars more
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[19:13] <BCMM> how slow is the Pi's US bus anyway? usb2.0 is supposed to do 480Mb/s
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[19:14] <BCMM> which is more than enough for 100Mb/s ethernet to share the link with fast enough storage to saturate the ethernet link
[19:14] <booyaa> warddr: does your pi require network connwctivity?
[19:14] <nid0> its specific use-cases that really kill it, because usb2 is half duplex - if you're trying to send traffic in via ethernet and back out at the same time to a usb disk, your io gets raped
[19:14] <warddr> booyaa: yes it does
[19:14] <mjr> there's all kinds of overhead
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[19:14] <Torikun> and that will b the typical use nid0 lol
[19:14] <mjr> and yes, half duplex is an issue if you're gonna really stress it
[19:15] <Torikun> The PI makes a great ZNC server
[19:15] <AndrevS> I was wondering about the same thing, due some issues I've been having with tvheadend. Thinking both the DVB adaptor and streaming it over the network is too much.
[19:15] <booyaa> warddr: ups for the pi won't help you unless network connection is ups'd too
[19:15] <BCMM> btw how bad is dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev/null as a measure of sequential read speed? figured it should at least bypass page cache
[19:15] <booyaa> isnt
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[19:15] <booyaa> can we please stop using rape?
[19:15] <warddr> booyaa: the network can work for several hours without elektricity present, it is part of a wireless mesh-network
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[19:16] <BCMM> cause to answer ShadowJK's original question, i get: 512000000 bytes (512 MB) copied, 24.4214 s, 21.0 MB/s
[19:16] <BCMM> but that's a nice SD card :)
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[19:16] <AndrevS> I was wondering about the SPI bus... there are 100 Mbit SPI Ethernet adaptors, but how fast is SPI ?
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[19:16] <ShadowJK> BCMM, referring more to how SD cards slow down to almost nothing when they get random write workloads :)
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[19:17] <booyaa> warddr: ah good stuff you trying to use a pi as a mesh box?
[19:17] <BCMM> huh, wonder why that is; they have no seek
[19:17] <BCMM> ShadowJK: heh, i'm not going to put wear on my card with a write benchmark
[19:17] <Torikun> lol
[19:17] <Torikun> it's slow
[19:18] <Torikun> that's all we need to know
[19:18] <Torikun> save your cards
[19:18] <Torikun> Put Gentoo on it to really kill it
[19:18] <warddr> booyaa: I use internet from Wireless-belgium, a wireless network that provides free internet across Belgium, the antenna on the roof is an important chain in this network so it needs power all the time, so it has backup power
[19:18] <warddr> I just use the internet connection from the network
[19:18] <Torikun> I had a 4GB CF card that lasted a few years with Gentoo. The read/write thing not that bad
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[19:18] <ShadowJK> I think it's pretty damn hard to wear them out.. been using a SD card for years and years in a NSLU2, and also in my sheevaplug there's a usb key that's being written to at 1.5megabytes/s constantly for a couple years now..
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[19:19] <booyaa> warddr: we had a mesh network in my inlaws village before adsl arrived loved the idea
[19:19] <Torikun> ShadowJK: Yeah my old gentoo server was on a 4GB CF lasted a few years
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[19:20] <warddr> Wireless-belgium is quite OK, they have internet from several datacenters, I easily get 30Mbit full-duplex
[19:20] <bertrik> ShadowJK: interesting, what kind of sd card (brand, capacity)?
[19:20] <booyaa> warddr: the mesh guys wanted permission to stick a box pn the church spire if theyd been allowed mpst pf the village wouldve been covered
[19:21] <ShadowJK> the nslu2 was a 1G transcend card. iirc it was the biggest card available at the time. The ethernet port died 2 years ago. The sheevaplug has a Sandisk Cruzer 16G usb stick
[19:21] <warddr> oh, the project here in belgium works great :D They are on several churches and other high buildings (like the Atomium in Brussels)
[19:23] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/LjLjI.jpg
[19:23] <megaproxy> ^adorrable
[19:23] <Torikun> sfw?
[19:23] <megaproxy> yes
[19:23] <Torikun> no it's not!
[19:23] <Torikun> That's sick!
[19:23] <Torikun> j/k
[19:24] <megaproxy> lolo
[19:24] <IT_Sean> ...
[19:24] <IT_Sean> It's some polar bears.
[19:24] <Torikun> doing something....
[19:24] <IT_Sean> swimming.
[19:24] <megaproxy> its mummy or daddy giving the baby a lift :D
[19:24] <Torikun> uh huh
[19:24] <megaproxy> the baby is on the parents back
[19:24] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[19:24] <Torikun> uh vhuh
[19:25] <megaproxy> oi voi!
[19:25] <Shift_> IT_Sean, the 'j/k' is there for a reason.
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[19:28] <s5fs> hello everyone
[19:28] <Torikun> oi
[19:28] <s5fs> is there a document somewhere that explains the boot process of the rpi? ie, what files are required, etc. i'm building an angstrom image and the damn thing won't boot, haha!
[19:29] <s5fs> Torikun: howdy!
[19:30] <booyaa> wouldnt that be the spinake/spinner repo on gthub
[19:30] <booyaa> i believe thats what raspbian os based on
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[19:30] <Torikun> debian
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[19:32] <s5fs> booyaa: was that in response to my question?
[19:32] <chithead> s5fs: make a fat32 partition, put firmware and kernel.img there (which is generated by the imagetool from github from your compiled kernel) http://elinux.org/RPi_Advanced_Setup#Setting_up_the_boot_partition
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[19:33] <chithead> boot process is that first firmware is loaded and then config.txt, comdline.txt and kernel.img
[19:33] <s5fs> chithead: thanks. do you know how to mount an image meant for an sdcard?
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[19:34] <chithead> this is a normal mbr partitioned disk image
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[19:34] <s5fs> chithead: i forgot to look at my card last night (was late) and i'm wondering if i just forgot to mark the partition as bootable, but i figured i'd go fish for more info on the boot process in general, in case that's not the issue.
[19:34] <Shift_> multiply the start sector of the partition by 512 and use it as the offset
[19:34] <libc> how did you copy it?
[19:34] <chithead> I don't know if the fat32 partition needs to be marked bootable, but I imagine it is not hard to find out
[19:34] <Shift_> use 'file whatever.img' to get the startsectors
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[19:35] <s5fs> chithead: yeah, sorry. my second question re: mounting the sdcard image was so i could review the boot partition w/o making an sdcard.
[19:35] <Shift_> mount -o loop,offset=whatever something.img mntpoint
[19:35] <chithead> s5fs: yes, as Shift_ said
[19:35] <s5fs> thanks guys. i think i've got the basic imaging and partitioning process down. since this is a new image, and one i rolled myself, i don't have much faith in it.
[19:36] <s5fs> Shift_: i had no idea file would give me sector info, that's awesome! many thanks!
[19:37] <Shift_> s5fs, np
[19:37] <s5fs> Here's the file info on my image:
[19:37] <s5fs> Angstrom-console-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.05-raspberrypi.rootfs.rpi-sdimg: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0xc, active, starthead 0, startsector 2048, 38912 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x83, starthead 0, startsector 40960, 7770112 sectors, code offset 0xb8
[19:37] <Shift_> 2048*512 to mount the fat32 partition, 40960*512 for the other one
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[19:40] <s5fs> Shift_: awesome, thanks. you're a huge help
[19:40] <Shift_> np and thanks
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[19:42] <s5fs> okay, boot partition has the following files:
[19:42] <s5fs> bootcode.bin image-version-info kernel.img loader.bin start.elf
[19:42] <Shift_> doesn't look like enough
[19:42] <s5fs> no, it doesn't
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[19:44] <Shift_> anyone know what the 'fixup' files are for?
[19:44] <linuxstb> They are lookup tables for the memory configuration I think.
[19:44] <s5fs> Shift_: at the very least i'm missing the cmdline.txt file, at least per the article you linked me to earlier
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[19:45] <Shift_> so they would be required then, I guess?
[19:45] <linuxstb> Shift_: With recent (i.e. October 2012 or later) firmwares, yes. Earlier versions didn't need it (but had different versions of start.elf for different memory configs)
[19:45] <FriedCPU> ./join #highaltitude
[19:45] <Shift_> never!
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[19:45] <Shift_> Fair enough
[19:46] <Shift_> s5fs, and yeah, I didn't link you chithead did. =)
[19:46] <s5fs> Shift_: sorry, not enough coffee yet today
[19:47] <s5fs> Shift_: so, unless this article is outdated, i believe i have all the truly required files on the boot partition. veird!
[19:47] <Torikun> http://bgr.com/2013/01/18/raspberry-pi-2-dismissed-295550/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheBoyGeniusReport+%28BGR+%7C+Boy+Genius+Report%29
[19:47] <Torikun> "Upton said in the interview that the company has no plans to launch a sequel to the latest Raspberry Pi ?Model B? this year."
[19:48] <Torikun> that means we can save some moeny
[19:48] <Torikun> lol
[19:48] <s5fs> Torikun: nah, we'll just buy the next crop of tiny cheap machines ;-)
[19:48] <Torikun> "his team thought they would sell 1,000 units when they were designing the mini PC, but sales have now topped 700,000."
[19:49] <Torikun> yeah lol
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[19:50] <Torikun> I have 4 Pi's now......I should have waited on that new Pi
[19:50] <Torikun> lol
[19:50] <enthusi> Torikun: same here with 2 :)
[19:50] <s5fs> i'm only up to two, but haven't bought (m)any accessories, so my costs are low
[19:51] <enthusi> but so far I didnt hit the 256 barrier
[19:51] <Torikun> Nice
[19:51] <s5fs> two is the minimum you need, really ;-)
[19:51] <Torikun> yeah
[19:51] <enthusi> using it as MAIN desktop now though
[19:51] <Torikun> I do not do much on my website so I do not need a drupal cluster
[19:51] <enthusi> only video encoding and photostuff on the other :)
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[19:52] <s5fs> enthusi: you must be very patient
[19:52] <Torikun> maybe I will experimenet with Gentoo on the pi arriving today
[19:53] <Torikun> but compiling on it will be slowww
[19:53] <enthusi> I am
[19:53] <enthusi> aktive coder for and user of C64 ;-)
[19:53] <double-you> Torikun: you should begin to flash your sd card ;)
[19:53] <enthusi> 700/900 mhz on demand
[19:53] <enthusi> thats fine for me
[19:53] <Torikun> lol
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[19:53] <enthusi> admittedly, surfing becomes quite serial
[19:53] <enthusi> at work I have like 50 tabs open
[19:54] <Torikun> what browser you using on your desktop pi
[19:54] <Torikun> I found it too sluggish for webbrowsing
[19:54] <enthusi> dillo if I need answers
[19:54] <double-you> dillo is fast
[19:54] <enthusi> midori for surfing
[19:54] <s5fs> i'm not using a gui at all yet, since i'm building images i just need a serial console and i'm good to go
[19:54] <Torikun> Midori could not even do gmail
[19:54] <Torikun> lol
[19:54] <enthusi> it can do gmx ;-)
[19:54] <s5fs> Torikun: really? i've had good luck with midori on beagles
[19:55] <Torikun> Yeah it would not login
[19:55] <Torikun> return me back to login screen
[19:55] <enthusi> I need some exp with VNC
[19:55] <double-you> I havent found out how to copy text from dillo
[19:55] <Torikun> ok enthusi
[19:55] <enthusi> then I might be able to connect faster to my work PC which runs 24/7
[19:55] <Torikun> what's up with vnc
[19:55] <enthusi> nicer than ssh -X for some things
[19:55] <Torikun> I have my daughter use chrome over ssh at home, much better than midori
[19:55] <double-you> tightvnc ist damn fast here
[19:55] <double-you> like realtime
[19:55] <enthusi> double-you: what settings do you use?
[19:55] <Torikun> I use tightvnc on my pi and access it from work , its good
[19:56] <enthusi> I mean client on the pi
[19:56] <enthusi> NOT server
[19:56] <double-you> enthusi: standard, but 1280x720 24bit
[19:56] <double-you> + preload
[19:56] <enthusi> is that your res? 1280x720?
[19:56] <enthusi> preload?
[19:56] <enthusi> as I said, didnt user vnc before
[19:56] <enthusi> just some tests
[19:57] <enthusi> I need to ssh in the machine and then start the vncviewer there
[19:57] <enthusi> thats not how its supposed to be, or?
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[19:57] <double-you> I used an instruction to set up vnc server
[19:57] <enthusi> how do you connect?
[19:58] <enthusi> 123.345.6.1:1 ?
[19:58] <double-you> yes
[19:58] <enthusi> without ssh before or such?
[19:58] <Torikun> VNC over SSH FTW!
[19:59] <earl2> hi everyone
[19:59] <enthusi> Im noob there
[19:59] <enthusi> is vnc over ssh reasonable?
[19:59] <double-you> enthusi: I have to activate it first over ssh
[19:59] <Torikun> It's good when your at work or remote
[19:59] <enthusi> so people _DO_ connect via ssh to the server first?
[19:59] <Torikun> Yes
[19:59] <Torikun> let me send you my vnc command
[20:00] <Torikun> errr ssh command
[20:00] <enthusi> ok, I thought that was just me
[20:00] <enthusi> yes please :)
[20:01] <double-you> I run ./vnc.sh ;)
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[20:07] <double-you> but I had lots of trouble with it... I wanted to automatically start the vnc server on start and I wanted the same desktop as shown, I'll find out the next months ;)
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[20:12] <enthusi> Torikun: thanks for your help
[20:12] <Torikun> np
[20:15] <Torikun> enthusi: you use transmission web on your pi?
[20:15] <Perkele> when playing a something on my raspbmc it stops after one song
[20:16] <Perkele> and ever now and then i lose the network connection to it
[20:16] <Perkele> and it looks like the pi is crashing
[20:16] <Perkele> what the hell
[20:16] <Perkele> it's unresponsive via physical keyboard as well as over network
[20:17] <Perkele> but animations in xmbc still move
[20:17] <Torikun> Perkele: I foudn openelec to be more stable than xbmc
[20:18] <enthusi> transmission web?
[20:18] <Perkele> interesint, Torikun
[20:18] <Torikun> web gui to download torrents, great use for the pi
[20:18] <Vegar> anyone have a web gui for transmission that allows selecting where to download the files to?
[20:18] <Perkele> does it have the same features and convenience when using the library?
[20:18] <Perkele> automatically pulling meta info, album covers and such
[20:18] <Torikun> Not sure been awhile
[20:18] <Perkele> cause i love that shit
[20:18] <Perkele> oh well i'll try it out, thx
[20:19] <enthusi> Torikun: can I apt-get install it? :)
[20:19] <Torikun> yup
[20:19] <Torikun> then you can do localhost:9091 ion your browser once it is setup since you copied my exact ssh command
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[20:20] <turndevil> Vegar, i don't think transmission works that way.
[20:20] <Perkele> so openelec is it's own distro? or is it in the raspbian repositories?
[20:21] <wishi> Perkele: that's typical for xbmc
[20:21] <wishi> it crashes the whole xorg
[20:21] <Perkele> i thought it uses the framebuffer
[20:21] <Perkele> at least on raspbmc
[20:21] <enthusi> Torikun: whatfor woudl I use it?
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[20:22] <Torikun> download torrents
[20:22] <enthusi> but why via web client?
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[20:22] <Torikun> portability
[20:22] <Torikun> access it from any device
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[20:22] <Torikun> access it from remote
[20:23] <enthusi> ah you mean uploading stuff as torrent?
[20:23] <Torikun> downloadig torrent files
[20:23] <Torikun> movies, linux distros, music, etc
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[20:23] <Torikun> I have my pi torrent client save to my nas
[20:23] <Torikun> then I can watch on Tv
[20:24] <enthusi> yeah, my pi has little access to big storage :)
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[20:24] <enthusi> and it has only legal stuff on it atm ;-)
[20:25] <KameSense> hello, does anyone know how terminals are called, those ones you can plus onto the gpio pins ?
[20:25] <Torikun> darn, did iptables -F and got locked out of my home laptop
[20:25] <KameSense> plug*
[20:26] <enthusi> nice
[20:26] <enthusi> apt-get, 3 ssh sessions, 2 tabs in midori and a fullscreen VNC running
[20:26] <mac-> ey
[20:27] <mac-> I work on ArchLinux ARM for RPi
[20:27] <mac-> I'm able to play yt on midori
[20:27] <enthusi> 140 MB ram used
[20:27] <mac-> but with weak perfomrance
[20:27] <double-you> mac-: you've installed flash?
[20:27] <mac-> I hear and read that RPi has hardware acceleration for h.264 ?
[20:28] <mac-> double-you:
[20:28] <mac-> double-you: no, by html5
[20:28] <double-you> oh
[20:29] <mac-> and what now with this hardware h.264 acceleration ?
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[20:32] <ParkerR> mac-, Yes it has hardware decodin of h.264
[20:33] <ParkerR> *decoding
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[20:34] <mac-> and ?
[20:34] <mac-> how can I use it
[20:34] <mac-> enable it
[20:34] <ParkerR> And what?
[20:34] <mac-> ?
[20:34] <ParkerR> It's already enabled
[20:34] <mac-> hm
[20:35] <mac-> then - how can I verify if it works ?
[20:35] <ParkerR> mac-, Play a video encoded with h.264
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[20:35] <mac-> what media player can use this acceleration ?
[20:35] <ParkerR> XBMC, omxplayer
[20:36] <Eliatrope> does Pi's Arch distro support hard fp?
[20:36] * rikkib busy morning... Talking to the Debian maintainer of the watchdog package, he has accepted the patch I did but want some more tests and Vint Cerf at google about abuse issues.
[20:36] <mac-> yep
[20:37] <mac-> shit, I can't see omxplayer on arch
[20:37] <rikkib> mac-, Language please
[20:38] <ParkerR> It's ion AUR https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/omxplayer-git/
[20:38] <ParkerR> *in
[20:38] <Hans-Martin> (already asked over in #raspberrypi-dev, but no response...) hello, does anybody know whether a newer kernel for raspbian is planned for the near future? I'd like to experiment with a usb UMTS dongle, but it seems to need a driver (qmi_wwan) that's not present in 3.2.7.
[20:38] <mac-> rikkib: excuse me
[20:38] <rikkib> np
[20:39] <mac-> [root@alarmpi mac]# pacman -Ss omxplayer
[20:39] <mac-> no results
[20:39] <ParkerR> mac-, It's in AUR
[20:40] <ParkerR> Install something like packer
[20:40] <ParkerR> And then packer -S omxplayer-git
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[20:41] <mac-> xine won't be able to use such acceleration ?
[20:41] <mac-> pmlayer ?
[20:41] <mac-> mplayer
[20:41] <MIG-> What steps would need to be taken to get Richard Hirst's servoblaster kernel module into the rasperrypi kernel ?
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[20:42] <ParkerR> mac-, omxplayer is pretty much all that does it atm
[20:44] <mac-> eh
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[20:45] <linuxstb> MIG-: I guess to contact the RPi Foundation. Try the email addresses from the people committing to github.
[20:45] <MIG-> linuxstb: good plan
[20:45] <MIG-> posting in the forums now
[20:45] <ParkerR> MIG-, servoblaster?
[20:45] <MIG-> https://github.com/richardghirst/PiBits/tree/master/ServoBlaster
[20:45] <ParkerR> Ahh
[20:46] <MIG-> it's awesome, he uses the DMA along side the pwm capability to allow for up to 8 servo's to be controlled via pwm
[20:46] <MIG-> and it doesn't use the processor
[20:48] <BCMM> MIG-: wait does that work with an add-on board or just with normal Pi GPIO? can it do general PWM stuff like vary the brightness of LEDs?
[20:48] <MIG-> normal pi gpio
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[20:49] <MIG-> It can control servo motors and probably dim leds
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[20:50] <BCMM> that is pretty cool, didn't realise that was possible without heavy cpu usage
[20:50] <BCMM> opens up a lot of possibilities I assumed the Pi didn't have when i heard it had no analogue
[20:50] <MIG-> yeah, he includes a binary .ko but it is for a slightly older raspbian distro kernel
[20:50] <MIG-> trying to get it in the source tree to keep the .ko up-to-date and bundled
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[20:53] <KameSense> no-one using the GPIO here ?
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[20:55] <Matt> KameSense: lots of folk are, probably just noone who's around
[20:57] <user82> does anyone know which soundsystem is runnign in the default raspbian system? alsa, pulse?
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[20:57] <earl2> so i dont have a pi yet but would like to start writing software... can i do so on a pc in some way modelling my board setups, or is that more trouble than its worth?
[20:58] <earl2> i want a couple of analog ins from an adc and then do something with them
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[20:58] <earl2> can i emulate that or will doing that be more trouble than its worth
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[20:59] <mgottschlag> earl2: there isn't any emulator for the raspberrypi peripherals
[20:59] <earl2> oh okay
[20:59] <earl2> :)
[20:59] <earl2> how about the OS, it's only 700 mhz arm, is that something people would emulate?
[21:00] <flakeshake> user82: alsa
[21:00] <earl2> i'd like a leg up on explorig it as i'm asking someone else to put together the hw, since it's a bit too trick for me
[21:00] <mgottschlag> qemu supports arm6, it emulates a completely different board though
[21:00] <earl2> tricky*
[21:00] <earl2> well that's probably not very useful
[21:00] <earl2> then
[21:00] <mgottschlag> or better, many completely different boards
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[21:01] <earl2> i have a question. the gpu in the pi is pretty good, right? can you use it as part of processing images as well (e.g. from web cam)?
[21:01] <mgottschlag> so basically, develop your software on an x86 computer with a properly mocked interface for the adc or sth like that
[21:01] <earl2> or is taht not really supported?
[21:01] <earl2> ok
[21:01] <mgottschlag> you can use GLSL, everything else is unavailable
[21:02] <mgottschlag> well, you could use the undocumented vector processor on the pi
[21:02] <Matt> the key word there being "undocumented"
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[21:02] <mgottschlag> but I doubt you want to write complex programs in machine code as there isn't even an assembler for the reverse engineered parts of it
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[21:03] <mgottschlag> ir would probably be quite a bit faster than the arm core though :)
[21:04] <Vegar> turndevil: there have been several patches in their bug tracker that enables this
[21:05] <user82> mgottschlag, is your plan to reverse engeneer the whole thing and use it somehow for the system?
[21:06] <mgottschlag> atm I don't reverse engineer at all (too little time), but if I did, I would purely do it for the fun, I'd leave the actual software development to someone else :p
[21:07] <turndevil> hm cool. i was kind of accepting the fact that i have a one-directory torrent solution with transmission so i never bothered looking for that feature again.
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[21:14] <NullMoogleCable> can you boot a pi off a thumbdrive?
[21:15] <mgottschlag> no, bootloader (and kernel, if no second bootloader like uboot is used) need to be on the sd card
[21:16] <mgottschlag> the root file system can be on the thumbdrive though
[21:17] <ParkerR> mgottschlag, Technically that would be booting fomr the drive and is usually what people mean by that
[21:17] <ParkerR> *from
[21:17] <NullMoogleCable> yes
[21:17] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, Yes you can
[21:17] <NullMoogleCable> I have a 4gb sd card and a 16 gig dedicated thumbdrive i just purchaced :)
[21:18] <mgottschlag> hm, I see, I've been working too low-level for far too much time
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[21:18] <ParkerR> If you want an easy way of doing it download berryboot
[21:18] <ParkerR> It will automatically see the USB drive plugged in and will install a choice of distros to the drive
[21:18] <ParkerR> http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot
[21:19] <ParkerR> It downloads all the needed files
[21:19] <ParkerR> Does it all on the Pi
[21:19] <NullMoogleCable> oh kick ass
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[21:20] <NullMoogleCable> sorry
[21:20] <companion> hrm I have an issue with my 'Wheezy' version of Raspberry Pi
[21:21] <companion> it claims with the tool 'vchiq' fails to open with 'failed to open service'
[21:21] <ParkerR> companion, What's up?
[21:21] <NullMoogleCable> will berryboot auto get the latest version of wheezy?
[21:21] <companion> ParkerR, the following issue is the paine at the moment: * failed to open vchiq instance
[21:21] <companion> when starting XBMC
[21:21] <companion> after installing from a package
[21:22] <ParkerR> companion, chmod a+rw /dev/vchiq
[21:22] <companion> ParkerR, thats the funny bit...
[21:22] <companion> it isnt there
[21:22] <ParkerR> Hmm
[21:22] <companion> it does not even exist in the entire system...
[21:22] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, As far as I kniw yes
[21:22] <ParkerR> *know
[21:22] <companion> tried to look up dependacies and such but no were to be found ;s
[21:22] <ParkerR> Since it does it from the network
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[21:23] <companion> ParkerR, any idea?
[21:23] <ParkerR> companion, Maybe try upgrading your kernel. https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[21:23] <mgottschlag> when that file didn't exist on my arch, I created it with mknod
[21:24] <companion> ParkerR, rpi isnt installed either
[21:24] <companion> and did got the image from raspberrypi.org
[21:24] <mgottschlag> but didn't know why it didn't exist, and didn't care either because it was only for 2-3 tests
[21:24] <ParkerR> companion, rpi what?
[21:24] <ParkerR> It's a script
[21:24] <ParkerR> That you download
[21:24] <companion> rpi-upgrade command
[21:24] <companion> ah alright
[21:24] <ParkerR> Instructions on that page
[21:24] <mgottschlag> I don't know the major number of the vchiq file though
[21:25] <companion> ParkerR, any handlings I should know?
[21:25] <ParkerR> companion, just what it says on that page
[21:27] <companion> ParkerR, nice
[21:27] <companion> thanks
[21:27] <companion> brb smoke
[21:27] <companion> who the hell put J-Pop in my spotify Oo
[21:27] <ParkerR> companion, see topic
[21:27] <companion> sorry
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[21:39] <companion> ParkerR, still the failed to open vchiq instance error
[21:39] <companion> ParkerR, and: chmod: cannot access `/dev/vchig': No such file or directory
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[21:45] <companion> any one?
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[21:49] <companion> ParkerR, fixed it with an old archlinux hack ^^
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[22:10] <Ryiel> hey guys
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[22:12] <Ryiel> So yeah, I'm a happy owner of a raspberry pi but I kinda have no idea what to do with it. I got raspbian working on it, setup a mumble server and apache is running without any purpose but I have a feeling this tiny packet of joy is destined to do more than this.
[22:13] <IT_Sean> Your are limited only by your creativity.
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[22:14] <Ryiel> Yeah, i kinda realized that :D So I'm looking for something amazing I havent thought of yet. To be honest with you I just cant get used to the forums on the pi.org
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[22:14] <Winslow> Ryiel: I currently use my with xbmc
[22:14] <Ryiel> as in with xmbc distro or you installed xmbc on raspbian?
[22:15] <Ryiel> But to be fair all i would have to do is to put another memory card in it with some xmbc distro on it and i could almost hotswap it XD
[22:17] <Ryiel> Seriously, if i had raspberry pi 15 years ago i could have had my very own bot for our IRC channel.
[22:18] <IT_Sean> well... do that then! Go off and write a bot!
[22:18] <Ryiel> And all that tells me now is that im old :D
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[22:18] <ParkerR> companion, What was the fix?
[22:18] <Ryiel> Its kinda pointless nowadays cause everybody is using chanserv and such but yeah, not a bad idea :D
[22:18] <companion> ParkerR, making a rule for the video output
[22:20] <ParkerR> I still need to setup a rule to own all the devices in /dev/input/
[22:20] <ParkerR> Or at least create a group for it
[22:20] <companion> # echo 'SUBSYSTEM=="vchiq",GROUP="video",MODE="0660"' > /etc/udev/rules.d/10-vchiq-permissions.rules
[22:20] <companion> that worked for me ?^
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[22:21] <Ryiel> Well, one thing for sure, I'll put some money aside and I'll get a raspberry pi for my 9 year old niece. She loves computers im sure she'd love to have her very own one.
[22:21] <companion> brb
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[22:29] <Gr33n3gg> aww yeah, got my raspberry pi set up as a thin client
[22:30] <ParkerR> Nice
[22:30] <IT_Sean> niiice
[22:30] <Gr33n3gg> resolution is still messed up though, I can't get more than 640x480
[22:30] <Gr33n3gg> I changed the modes but still nothing
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[22:31] <ParkerR> Gr33n3gg, When you are in the OS do "tvservice -d edid.dat"
[22:31] <ParkerR> Then "edidparser edid.dat"
[22:31] <NullMoogleCable> do you still need to use rpi-update to update the firmware?
[22:31] <ParkerR> Look for a line that says highest scoring mode
[22:31] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, On debian yes
[22:31] <Gr33n3gg> ParkerR: yeah, I did that
[22:31] <Gr33n3gg> ParkerR: then what?
[22:32] <ParkerR> Gr33n3gg, Paste the line that says highest scoring
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[22:33] <azk> Evening
[22:34] <azk> I'm having some trouble with the sd card reader on my pi. It seems to have arched
[22:35] <IT_Sean> arched?
[22:35] <azk> bulging if you will
[22:35] <IT_Sean> as in.. shaped like this (
[22:35] <azk> yes
[22:35] <IT_Sean> that's... ... suboptimal
[22:35] <azk> quite
[22:35] <azk> only way to get it to boot now is to force it down
[22:36] <IT_Sean> was it like that when you got it?
[22:36] <azk> didn't notice
[22:36] <azk> it booted up fine up until a week ago
[22:36] <ParkerR> Gr33n3gg, You there?
[22:36] <IT_Sean> whelp... you could get an SD card extension ribbon cable thinger, glue the headend in place, and put your SD card in that.
[22:36] <azk> I'm assuming it's heat related
[22:36] <IT_Sean> or you could RMA it
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[22:37] <IT_Sean> or you could desolder the card reader and replace it, assuming you have the skill and could find a replacement
[22:37] <IT_Sean> or you could try to just bend it back into shape
[22:37] <azk> yeah
[22:37] <brady2600> ive been trying to get the arduino ide working on pi for weeks now
[22:37] <azk> I'mma try my luck at the shop first since I bought it locally
[22:37] <brady2600> but the Time.h library always has problems
[22:37] <azk> if they're willing to swap me, that'd be perfect
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[22:38] <brady2600> when i sudo apt-get install arduino, it installs 1.01 , which has problems with the time library
[22:38] <azk> so why don't you build the version you need
[22:38] <booyaa> hey brady2600 glad to see youre still here!
[22:38] <azk> ?
[22:38] <brady2600> so i download an older version onto the desktop and try to run it , it doesn't run. So i try running it from the terminal, and it just runs the 1.01 that was already installed
[22:39] <azk> you need to remove the 1.01
[22:39] <brady2600> which removes all the extra stuff arduino needs to run
[22:40] <brady2600> so you try installing that, which it installs newer versions of the dependancies, which permanently breaks the OS
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[22:40] <azk> manually install the dependencies or use some debian command that leaves deps as they are?
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[22:43] <brady2600> yes, i did that, manually installed the dependancies, it pulls newer versions of them that don't work with the time libraries, figuring out how to downgrade them proved impossible to find out how to do, which leaves me with a OS that i can never get working
[22:43] <azk> how many deps are we talking about
[22:44] <brady2600> i dont recall , a whole list of them
[22:44] <brady2600> the raspberry pi sources though, don't even have the lower versions that would be needed
[22:45] <brady2600> im very hesitent to try to install them manually as I put a great deal of time into setting up the system before this
[22:45] <azk> back it up?
[22:45] <azk> I understand your concerns
[22:45] <azk> have you checked if there's a patch you could pull for 1.01 which fixes time lib?
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[22:46] <brady2600> the time library page has no mention of anything like that
[22:47] <azk> it looks like people have found ways around this
[22:47] <brady2600> ive tried many of the things in the time library threads with none of them working
[22:47] <azk> http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php?topic=66054.105
[22:48] <brady2600> yes thats exactly the ones im talking about
[22:48] <azk> ok
[22:48] <azk> just to be sure
[22:49] <brady2600> /usr/share/arduino/libraries/Time/DateStrings.cpp:18:18: error: variable 'monthStr1' must be const in order to be put into read-only section by means of '__attribute__((progmem))'
[22:49] <brady2600> yes thats the kind of error im getting
[22:49] <azk> and did you try downgrading gcc?
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[22:50] <brady2600> there are no lower versions in the raspbian repositories
[22:50] <brady2600> aptitude only has versions higher than those listed there
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[22:52] <brady2600> is there not a way i can use the terminal to run specifically the application ive downloaded to my desktop?
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[22:53] <brady2600> "The BYTE message indicates that the library that contains it has not been updated for 1.0+.
[22:53] <brady2600> How to update it has been covered many times, many ways, many places."
[22:54] <brady2600> how annoying is that.. can't find anything on it anywhere.
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[22:57] <Ryiel> brady2600: i know that feeling...
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[23:09] <companion> hrm werid, video playing works but at 720p or 1080p I do not get a video at all :s
[23:09] <companion> I do get sound tho
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[23:19] <fayimora> Hey guys, i'm trying to download openelec for my pi nnd i stumbled upon this page..http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/
[23:19] <fayimora> What do i doenload?
[23:19] <fayimora> *download
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[23:22] <BCMM> fayimora: you could have a look at http://openelec.tv/get-openelec
[23:22] <BCMM> RPi is near the bottom
[23:22] <BCMM> they link to http://releases.openelec.tv/OpenELEC-RPi.arm-2.99.1.tar.bz2
[23:23] <fayimora> BCMM: Thanks I'm grateful!
[23:23] <BCMM> fayimora: have you got a Unix box?
[23:23] <fayimora> BCMM: I'm using a Mac
[23:23] <fayimora> so yeah
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[23:23] <BCMM> fayimora: the Windows instructions for installing it to an SD card appear to be blank
[23:23] <BCMM> ah, good
[23:24] <BCMM> do not dd to the wrong drive or you will have to reinstall macos :)
[23:25] <fayimora> BCMM: :O
[23:25] <fayimora> ok that's scary
[23:25] <fayimora> I think i have the right one lol
[23:25] <fayimora> It's the only Windows_FAT_32
[23:27] <BCMM> fayimora: btw i've never used openelec and i'm basically guessing from teh website - there is an #openelec channel here though
[23:27] <BCMM> (i run xbmc on the Foundation's stock raspbian image)
[23:28] <fayimora> BCMM: THanks man
[23:29] <BCMM> np
[23:29] <BCMM> not saying your question is offtopic in this channel or anything; just reckon you might get better results there
[23:29] <antix_> hey guys i asked yesterday but i think nobody saw my message. here it is again
[23:29] <antix_> so i've connected a level shifter rs232 with usb serial to my pc, but i can't seem to get a serial console
[23:29] <antix_> any tips, someone?
[23:29] <BCMM> antix_: which way around are you trying to do stuff?
[23:29] <antix_> usb to my pc
[23:30] <BCMM> i mean, control PC from pi or pi from pc?
[23:30] <antix_> uh
[23:30] <antix_> control pi from pc
[23:30] <BCMM> i've never done a serial console; but I think you need to enable it in the kernel command line
[23:30] <BCMM> have you done that?
[23:30] <antix_> is that in /boot/cmdline?
[23:30] <BCMM> antix_: on the pi, i believe it is
[23:30] <antix_> because if i have read correctly i believe it's arleady present?
[23:31] <antix_> my pi has this:
[23:31] <antix_> smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 loglevel=2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
[23:31] <BCMM> what i mean is, most distros don't configure the serial port to act as a serial console just because it's present
[23:31] <BCMM> you might be wanting to use a serial mouse :)
[23:31] <antix_> yeh
[23:31] <antix_> actually i might try with console=ttyS0,115200
[23:33] <BCMM> antix_: just looked it up and the information i gave you may be incomplete
[23:33] <BCMM> i believe console=ttyS0 is for getting boot-up messages over serial
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[23:34] <antix_> ah ok
[23:34] <BCMM> if you just want to be able to log in over a serial console after boot-up, you just need to tell the system to start a getty on the serial console's tty
[23:34] <BCMM> by editing inittab
[23:34] <BCMM> or so this page says http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/learn-to-use-a-serial-console-on-linux/157 - makes sense though
[23:34] <antix_> yeh i did that with the s0 that was commented out
[23:34] <fayimora> BCMM: Just trying to install the image now but I don't have one
[23:34] <fayimora> Just a folder
[23:35] <antix_> what was weird was that apparently i read that systemd with arch doesn't use inittab
[23:35] <BCMM> antix_: heh, there are indeed already commented-out lines in inittab
[23:36] <BCMM> out of interest, what are you using on the client side? gnu screen?
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[23:37] <BCMM> fayimora: sorry, i have no idea what form openelec is distributed in
[23:38] <fayimora> lol ok
[23:39] <antix_> BCMM: I tried gnu screen which didnt seem to work
[23:39] <antix_> but now im just using putty on windows
[23:39] <BCMM> cool, didn't know putty did serial consoles
[23:39] <antix_> ok so uncommenting s0 in inittab didn't even spawn a new getty
[23:40] <antix_> but /boot/cmdline did
[23:40] <antix_> i actually read that ttyS0 is not what u want
[23:40] <antix_> i actually need ttyAMA0 i believe
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[23:41] <antix_> another thing that seems to be a problem
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[23:41] <antix_> the serial port isn't giving enough power i believe
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[23:41] <js1> hi
[23:41] <js1> raspbmc freezes up as soon as I open a folder on my external hard drive
[23:41] <antix_> because some of the led's arent even on and the ssh term i use to the pi times out
[23:41] <js1> what's the problem?
[23:42] <antix_> the level shifter gets hot too
[23:43] <js1> the interface freezes up. I can still SSH into it just fine
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[23:43] <js1> Jan 18 22:36:27 raspbmc kernel: usb 1-1.3: reset high-speed USB device number 4 using dwc_otg
[23:44] <companion> when playing videos on my RPI (Raspberry Pi) with XBMC at 720P or higher I have no video but only sound :S
[23:44] <Dagger2> antix_: sounds more like you've wired something up wrongly. a level shifter shouldn't be heating up
[23:45] <js1> hmm
[23:46] <antix_> ok Dagger2
[23:47] <antix_> ill just show u what ive wired
[23:47] <js1> opening any folder that contains media freezes the UI ...
[23:47] <js1> wtf
[23:50] <antix_> Dagger2: http://www.savagehomeautomation.com/projects/raspberry-pi-rs232-serial-interface-options-revisit.html
[23:50] <antix_> maybe tx and rxd should go the other way around?
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[23:52] <antix_> ive definitely got 3.3 into vcc
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[23:55] <Dagger2> hm... not much to get wrong there, is there
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[23:56] <Dagger2> does your USB widget actually put 3.3 V on its VCC pin, or is it 5 V?

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