#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-20

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[0:04] <goldilocks> My pi B arrives on monday and I'm just doing some reading, I notice there is an issue with the fedora, raspbian, etc distros accessing all 512 MB. Is this just a kernel compilation issue?
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[0:06] <Xark> goldilocks: I believe they just require updated firmware file.
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[0:12] <goldilocks> Okay, thanks. Do/can those distros use grub or lilo such that the sd card could be partitioned?
[0:13] <djazz> goldilocks: there is a bootloader for rpi
[0:13] <djazz> grub wouldnt work i think
[0:13] <djazz> goldilocks: http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot
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[0:14] <goldilocks> Thx again!
[0:15] <dwatkins> I tend to keep separate SD cards for each OS, but berryboot looks like it manages that really well
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[0:19] <aDro> TAFB: F3 and D17 are located on the GPIO?
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[0:21] <aDro> Oh I see, they are on the bottom attached to the power
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[0:21] <aDro> Makes sense
[0:22] <TAFB> yep, bottom near microUSB
[0:22] <aDro> that safe?
[0:22] <aDro> and what range am I looking for?
[0:22] <TAFB> 5v to 5.1v is perfect
[0:22] <TAFB> and with TP1-TP2 of 4.9v to 5v
[0:23] <Hopsy> why does my wifi not work
[0:23] <TAFB> if F3-D17 is good but TP1-TP2 is low, you can bridge/bypass F3 and give great power to the Pi.
[0:23] <Hopsy> arrgggg
[0:23] <aDro> Hopsy: Using a USB Hub?
[0:23] <aDro> What does your interfaces file look like?
[0:23] <Hopsy> no
[0:24] <Hopsy> its a tenda w311 MI
[0:24] * luke-jr_ is now known as Luke-Jr
[0:24] <Hopsy> I would like to make an access point aDro
[0:25] <Hydrar> Hopsy: Wifi is likely to draw too much power to be powred by the pi alone
[0:25] <aDro> TAFB: 5.09 Looks good with this LG Power Supply
[0:25] <aDro> I am not even going to test the others
[0:25] <aDro> I am going to return this product to newark perhaps.
[0:26] <akk> Is there a way to do simple serial I/O on pins other than the console TX/RX pins? Maybe something like Arduino's SoftwareSerial?
[0:26] <aDro> 700mAmp power supply does better than the 1000mAmp one
[0:26] <Hopsy> Hydrar: thats why iy isnt work?
[0:26] <aDro> Hopsy: Can you plug the adapter into and out of the Pi without the device rebooting?
[0:26] <Triffid_Hunter> I put a zd1211 adapter in my pi the other day, kept being bizarro.. ifconfig and iproute2 would say 'RTNETLINK: file not found' when I tried to bring it up yet they clearly showed wlan0 in the list of interfaces
[0:27] <Hopsy> no aDro
[0:27] <Hopsy> :P
[0:27] <Triffid_Hunter> wpa_supplicant simply crashed
[0:27] <Hopsy> it will reboot
[0:27] <aDro> Does your Pi recognise the device?
[0:27] <Triffid_Hunter> odd thing is I have this adapter specifically because it was compatible with a different arm-linux platform
[0:27] <Hopsy> yes
[0:27] <Hopsy> I can see it in iwlist
[0:27] <Hopsy> so I think so?
[0:28] <aDro> Can you use it as a regular wifi device?
[0:28] <Hopsy> I didnt try that yet
[0:28] <aDro> Baby steps
[0:28] <aDro> Get it connected and then try and turn it into a hot spot
[0:28] <aDro> or a relay
[0:29] <aDro> or a Repeater
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[0:31] <Hydrar> Oh also hey Triffid_Hunter, didn't see you were in here too
[0:32] <Hydrar> My asus USB-N53 is working fine though, even though it did make the pi reboot upon pluggin it in
[0:32] <Hydrar> But I'm not running anything else from it atm, it's running headless with no keyboard mouse or monitor attached
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[1:02] <aDro> Why would my webcam work fine on a pc with ubuntu but not work so well with the raspberry pi?
[1:02] <rikkib> Because the RPi kernel a buggy
[1:03] <rikkib> To run cams I use a jernel from the 7th month 2012
[1:03] <rikkib> /s/j/k
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[1:04] <rikkib> 3.1.09
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[1:15] <mdszy> this is super werid
[1:15] <mdszy> *weird
[1:16] <mdszy> oh hey
[1:16] <mdszy> figured it out
[1:16] <Torikun> Sup
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[1:17] <Torikun> Finally make a script to copy one pi to another and automatically configure the congis
[1:18] <Torikun> *configs
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[1:30] <aeny> is this place super quiet, or have I done something wrong...?
[1:30] <mdszy> it's just quiet
[1:31] <mdszy> sometimes it's more active, but if you have a question, go ahead and ask!
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[1:31] <aeny> thx!
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[1:32] <aeny> since you offered... I've a question that might be more debian-related than pi specific: I was about to install apache, so I did a dpkg -l \* | grep apache... and it returned nothing
[1:33] <aeny> I had already done the apt-get update and upgrade, but did it again to be sure
[1:34] <linuxstb> apt-cache search apache ?
[1:34] <linuxstb> I'm guessing dpkg only lists installed packages.
[1:34] <aeny> after fiddling a bit, I ended up doing "dpkg --clear-avail" and then "dselect update"
[1:35] <pksato> aeny: you installed apache ?
[1:35] <aeny> still no dice. after a while, I did figure out the apt-cache thing, and it was listing it as there... but according to what I'm readying, dpkg should list all available packages (not just those installed) by using dpkg -l \*
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[1:36] <linuxstb> What are you reading?
[1:36] <pksato> dpkg list only installed packages.
[1:37] <pksato> and removed but not purged.
[1:37] <aeny> reading http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/apt-get-intro/info.html.en and a few other similar pages
[1:38] <pksato> to search packeges, use aptitude search (or use aptitude gui), or old apt-cache search
[1:38] <pksato> to install, use aptitude install apache2
[1:38] <linuxstb> aeny: That lists "dpkg -l" under "Which packages are installed?"
[1:39] <linuxstb> aeny: But in any case, that doc is from 2001.
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[1:41] <aeny> hmmm... 2001 is a few years back, isn't it...
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[1:41] <aeny> I'm more of a centos guy... I miss yum...
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[1:43] <linuxstb> I have access to one server with centos. I missed apt ;)
[1:43] <aeny> :)
[1:44] <pksato> if I understand, yum is a apt-get/aptitude similar tools.
[1:44] <aeny> okay, I'll stop trying to use dpkg and use apt-cache or aptitude instead. thanks for humoring me!
[1:44] <pksato> and, RPM is similar to dpkg.
[1:44] <pksato> rpm
[1:45] <aeny> I wasn't a big fan of rpm, but yum has always been good to me. I suppose it's all about whatever you get used to.
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[1:51] <PhotoJim> aptitude is superior to apt/apt-get. deals with conflict a lot better.
[1:51] <PhotoJim> if you're on an apt-based OS that is.
[1:52] <plugwash> aptitude is better in some ways worse in others
[1:52] <plugwash> apt gives up too quickly in trying to find a soloution but aptitude has the opposite problem proposing crazy soloutions or soloutions that don't actually do what the user ordered
[1:53] <PhotoJim> applying reasonable sense to aptitude deals with those situations well though.
[1:53] <plugwash> aptitude is also much slower than apt-get and removes packages it thinks are unused immediately rather than waiting for the user to decide it's a safe time to do that
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[1:55] <aeny> do most people use aptitude via command line, or via tui?
[1:55] <Dr_Willis> well theres some issues with aptitude on 64bit systmes and the multi arch stuff.. but thats not going to affect its ussage on the Pi.
[1:55] <Milos> mmmmmm so worth it http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135341370451
[1:55] <pksato> cmd is more "quick" to do some tasks.
[1:55] <PhotoJim> I maintain my Pi via the shell.
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[1:56] <PhotoJim> Dr_Willis: no issues here with 64-bit Linux and aptitude.
[1:56] <Dr_Willis> PhotoJim: it can have issues. or so the Ubotu factoid says.
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[1:56] <Dr_Willis> I dont use aptitude at all on ubuntu.
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[1:57] <Dr_Willis> its best to pay attention to what the tools are doing. :) just in case one goes crazy
[1:58] <plugwash> depends what i'm doing, if I know what package I want I'll usually use apt-get from the command line. If i'm trying to deal with a complex dependency mess I may try aptitude from the command line to see if it can find a soloution. I also occasionally use the TUI in aptitude to browse packages if i'm working on a system with no gui
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[1:58] <plugwash> (but normally I use synaptic if I want to browse)
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[1:59] <plugwash> <Dr_Willis> its best to pay attention to what the tools are doing. :) just in case one goes crazy <-- agreed, both apt-get and aptitude will happilly remove just about anything if it gets in the way of satisfying your request
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[2:00] <Dr_Willis> ive had aptitude for some reason a few yrs back.. remove then reinstall 300 packages... still not sure why. ;) couldent make it repeate it for a bug report
[2:01] <plugwash> remove then reinstall as part of the same action?
[2:01] <aeny> plugwash: you're not kidding about it being slow... damn... I know it's because of the SD and all, but... craawwwwllll...
[2:02] <Dr_Willis> yea.. it was weird..
[2:03] <aeny> gotta run... thanks for the insight, folks.
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[2:04] <plugwash> I wonder if it did it because there was some upgrade scenario it couldn't see any valid way to do in-place (maybe due to conflicts or so) but could do by removing and reinstalling stuff
[2:04] <Torikun> My brand new Pi has a problem: SSH connections continue to get dropped and say connection refused for a short period of time then let you back in and then same thing repeats
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[2:05] <nid0> is your pi rebooting?
[2:05] <Torikun> I do not think so because dmesg does not change
[2:05] <PhotoJim> Check "uptime".
[2:05] <Torikun> 11 min
[2:05] <Torikun> so no
[2:06] <PhotoJim> And did your attempt to ssh into your Pi precede 11 minutes ago?
[2:06] <Torikun> based on the uptime, no reboot
[2:06] <Torikun> I could nmap it and ping it
[2:06] <Torikun> still
[2:06] <nid0> yeah connection refused means the pi's up but sshd is down
[2:06] <Torikun> nmap shows port as open
[2:06] <nid0> check syslog
[2:06] <PhotoJim> maybe you should try that different Ethernet cable after all, but my instinct is that that isn't it.
[2:06] <Torikun> same image for all machines
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[2:07] <PhotoJim> yes, grep ssh /var/log/syslog
[2:07] <Torikun> but connection refused
[2:07] <Torikun> I have to enable syslog
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[2:09] <Torikun> might be related to ipv6 being enabled actually
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[2:09] <Torikun> pacman -Syuf on there shows that common error
[2:09] <PhotoJim> I have IPv6 on mine and it's fine
[2:09] <PhotoJim> but you could ssh -4 to force IPv4 and see if that's reliable
[2:09] <Torikun> pacman -Syuf stries to connect to a ipv6 server
[2:09] <Torikun> and can't resolve
[2:09] <Torikun> solution ipv6.disable=1 in cmdline.txt
[2:10] <Dagger2> that's a poor solution
[2:10] <Dagger2> fix the problem
[2:10] <PhotoJim> that's a workaround not a solution :)
[2:10] <Torikun> same image copied accross all systems
[2:10] <Torikun> only has issues on that new pi
[2:10] <Torikun> never seen that pacman issue
[2:10] <Torikun> lol
[2:11] <Dagger2> does `ifconfig | grep inet6 | grep -v fe80` list any v6 addresses?
[2:11] <Dagger2> other than ::1
[2:11] <Torikun> disabled ipv6 and rebooted
[2:11] * Dagger2 sighs
[2:11] <Torikun> returned nothing
[2:12] <Torikun> looks like pings are having problems also
[2:12] <PhotoJim> try a new cable.
[2:13] <PhotoJim> if that fails ,try a new port in your switch, assuming you're using a switch.
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[2:13] <Torikun> TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0
[2:13] <Torikun> a bad cable should show errors right
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[2:13] <PhotoJim> you'd think.
[2:13] <Torikun> ping google.com
[2:13] <Torikun> PING google.com ( 56(84) bytes of data.
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[2:14] <Torikun> stops there
[2:14] <PhotoJim> you may have bad hardware.
[2:14] <Dagger2> y'know, the reason you were seeing v6 connection attempts in pacman could easily be because the v4 connection attempts were failing
[2:14] <Torikun> ah
[2:14] <Dagger2> so it tries the v6 addresses because, hey, none of the other ones work, we may as well try these
[2:15] <Torikun> unable to ping gateway
[2:15] <Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com/
[2:15] <Torikun> 2ebsite loads though on it
[2:15] <Torikun> odd
[2:15] <Dagger2> apt-get has an annoying issue where it only reports the *last* connection failure, so people see "couldn't connect to <v6addr>" and blame v6, not realizing that it's v4-side breakage that's the problem
[2:16] <Torikun> oh noih
[2:16] <Dagger2> (dunno if pacman shares that issue, but still)
[2:17] <Torikun> LOL
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[2:17] <nid0> ip conflict would do it
[2:17] <Torikun> hahahah
[2:17] <nid0> you mentioned using the same image on all pi's though, i'd assumed you were setting by dhcp
[2:18] <nid0> else that woulda been my suggestion way up there ^ :P
[2:18] <Torikun> LOL
[2:18] <Torikun> thanks everyone
[2:20] <Dagger2> now go and undisable IPv6 >.>
[2:20] <Torikun> ahahaha
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[2:22] <Torikun> pings work
[2:22] <Torikun> should be good now
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[2:24] <Torikun> You guys were right, disabling was a workaround. not a fix
[2:24] <Torikun> godo thing I did not give up lol
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[2:24] <PhotoJim> using IPv6 would have shown you that worked. might have wiggled you to a solution sooner.
[2:24] <PhotoJim> something to keep in mind if you see similar issues in future.
[2:25] <Torikun> yuo ty
[2:27] <Dagger2> PhotoJim: very much so. remember the big Godaddy outage a few months back? that was only on their v4 network, not the v6 side. their nameservers were working ok over v6
[2:28] <Dagger2> (sadly the idiots don't have v6 glue for their nameservers, so v6-capable resolvers still failed. so close.)
[2:28] <PhotoJim> yeah, a lot of registrars still don't do IPv6 glue.
[2:28] <PhotoJim> mine doesn't.
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[2:28] <rikkib> Hmmm !!! Failed to merge updated firmware files, trying a fresh checkout
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[2:30] <rikkib> Way to go hexxeh... Enough fail safe to recover from that error
[2:30] <Dagger2> they don't even have v6 glue configured for their own servers, I meant
[2:30] <PhotoJim> that's pretty dumb.
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[2:33] <rikkib> Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #358 PREEMPT Tue Jan 15 00:45:33 GMT 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[2:34] <rikkib> One always shudders a little when doing a rpi-update
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[2:39] <l_r> hello
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[2:39] <l_r> i bought a 5V - 2,1 A power supply for my raspberry model b
[2:39] <l_r> do you think 2,1 A is too much?
[2:40] <l_r> it kept shutting down with my other 1A one
[2:41] <TAFB> live one person pool game streaming from the Pi :) http://tafb02.click2stream.com
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[2:45] <PhotoJim> l_r: you can't really have too many amps, although you'll use more electricity. but if your 1A supply wasn't enough, this one certainly should be.
[2:46] <PhotoJim> l_r: could be your 1A supply isn't really giving an amp, too.
[2:46] <SpeedEvil> l_r: if you sit on a table that can hold 2100kg, does that make you weigh 2100kg?
[2:49] <PhotoJim> SpeedEvil: that's misleading. a power supply might be smart enough to only draw what AC it needs to serve the amps that are being drawn. but it also might not be.
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[2:50] <SpeedEvil> not a 5v 2.1a PSU
[2:50] <SpeedEvil> constant power output power supplies are rare
[2:50] <PhotoJim> I don't think you can assume a 5V/2.1A supply will have the same draw as a 5V 1A supply, even if both are connected to a 5V 1A device.
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[2:51] <SpeedEvil> and only exist for lighting ballasts typically
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[2:52] <PhotoJim> what about PSU efficiency? does it change when draw changes? (I truly don't know.)
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[2:52] <SpeedEvil> yes
[2:52] <PhotoJim> in other words, is a 5V/1A supply more or less efficient at 1A draw than a 5V/2.1A supply at 1A draw?
[2:52] <PhotoJim> I assume it might depend on the power supply design.
[2:52] <SpeedEvil> typically a power supply will be most efficient at around 50%
[2:53] <SpeedEvil> it varies though
[2:53] <l_r> i have tried many 5V/1A power supplies . after some times the device shuts down
[2:53] <l_r> i only have an usb wifi dongle
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[2:53] <PhotoJim> SpeedEvil: so it might be that if you have a decent PSU, having a higher-rated one than needed might actually draw less AC...?
[2:53] <SpeedEvil> the problem is a 5v 1a PSU may be able to supply 400mA, as it's not remotely living up to specs
[2:53] <SpeedEvil> yes
[2:54] <PhotoJim> l_r: you have little to lose by trying a beefier supply. reliability trumps draw anyway.
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[2:54] <l_r> what are the risks of more current than needed?
[2:54] <PhotoJim> even if you did double your draw, if it worked reliably, you wouldn't care.
[2:54] <PhotoJim> no risk as long as voltage is okay.
[2:54] <SpeedEvil> l_r: nine
[2:54] <SpeedEvil> none
[2:54] <PhotoJim> it's like having a bigger bottle of water than you need. you drink what you want.
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[2:54] <l_r> ok
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[2:55] <PhotoJim> bbl
[2:55] <hamnstar> PhotoJim: I have seen cheap wallwarts that are rated to do, say 5V at _exactly_ one amp. Less amp draw, and the voltage can go up. But I've only seen this in really cheap ones
[2:55] * Aranel If anybody wants to make a cloud music server on pi, Streeme is simply *awesome*
[2:55] <hamnstar> PhotoJim: this would be known as poor "load regulation"
[2:55] <l_r> i did not buy the one from rs, because i had one similar initially
[2:55] <l_r> but after my tests, today i had to buy the 2,1A one
[2:56] <l_r> which is 24EU
[2:56] <l_r> almost the cost of the raspberry
[2:57] <plugwash> well within reason a larger PSU is generally a good thing, having said that I have a 5V 40A PSU and there is no way i'd hook it up to the Pi without some additional protection
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[3:00] <TAFB> next pool game starting :)
[3:00] <TAFB> http://tafb02.click2stream.com
[3:00] <plugwash> watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoWMF3VkI6U to see what high currents can do even at low voltages
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[3:16] <Jeran> ok, so people should laugh at me for this... but i have a problem. apparently when i tried installing libre office from the pi store onto my pi
[3:16] <Jeran> it decided to use up all my memory
[3:16] <Jeran> but i have a 8 gig card in my pi
[3:17] <Jeran> and nothing else on it by raspbian and libre ofccie
[3:17] <Jeran> so now i cant do startx.
[3:17] <Jeran> Im so stuck, any suggestions?
[3:17] <Jeran> (and i dont have any extra SD cards)
[3:17] <Triffid_Hunter> Jeran: log in on terminal, remove libreoffice?
[3:17] <Jeran> i cant find libre office in the terminal.
[3:17] <Jeran> i have looked everywhere
[3:18] <Triffid_Hunter> Jeran: du -sh /* , see which one is huge.. then go digging
[3:18] <mdszy> Jeran, plug the SD card into a computer and make sure that the main partition is resized to the full size of the card
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[3:19] <Jeran> when i plug my card into my computer, the computer just indefinently hangs
[3:19] <mdszy> well that's an issue
[3:19] <mdszy> Windows?
[3:19] <Jeran> yeah
[3:19] <mdszy> There's your problem.
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[3:20] <pksato> Jeran: on some rpi console/shell/terminal do command: df -h
[3:21] <Jeran> ._. its not saying any are at 8 giges, everything is lower than 2 gigs
[3:21] <Jeran> i think i didnt partition this thing right
[3:21] <Jeran> fudge.
[3:21] <mdszy> Jeran, just resize the partition
[3:21] <mdszy> using gparted or something
[3:21] <pksato> if you see like '100% /', you have trouble.
[3:21] <Triffid_Hunter> Jeran: there's an option in the rasbpi configurator to maximise the root partition
[3:21] <Jeran> yteah, its %100
[3:21] <Jeran> ok, thanks! i will try that
[3:21] <Jeran> but i have to go right now
[3:21] <Jeran> thanks again
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[3:38] <PhotoJim> hamnstar: that would be highly annoying to have such a PSU.
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[4:31] <UnaClocker> I wish I could get sound working in Quake 3..
[4:32] <steve_rox> i wish the rpi would heat my room cheaply
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[4:33] <MAN-AT-ARMS> i think the sound works if youre root
[4:33] <pksato> quake use alsa?
[4:34] <MAN-AT-ARMS> depends what source youre building from
[4:34] <UnaClocker> MAN-AT-ARMS: You're right. Very strange.
[4:34] <MAN-AT-ARMS> just need to add permissions to the sound device
[4:34] <MAN-AT-ARMS> i would guess
[4:34] <Triffid_Hunter> sounds like a permissions issue.. strace is your friend.. probably easier to join the relevant group than mess with dev nodes
[4:35] <MAN-AT-ARMS> i just ported RTCW to work on the pi but i have some kinks to work out on it with glitchy graphics
[4:35] <steve_rox> sound stopped working on one my emulators randomly which is fun
[4:36] <MAN-AT-ARMS> i noticed the sound issue there too..thats where i noticed the prmission issue
[4:36] <Gordio> UnaClocker, show ls /proc/modules
[4:36] <Gordio> *cat /proc/modules
[4:36] <Gordio> sorry
[4:37] <UnaClocker> Ok, what am I looking for in that file?
[4:37] <UnaClocker> My son is playing Q3 on the Pi while I'm SSH'd into it looking around...
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[4:38] <Gordio> need modload snd-<...>
[4:38] <Gordio> *modprobe
[4:39] <UnaClocker> No I don't.
[4:39] <UnaClocker> http://pastebin.com/XBwN5mft
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[4:39] <UnaClocker> Sound works, even works as non root for things like pianobar.. But Q3 required root to get sound..
[4:40] <Gordio> hm =\
[4:40] <Gordio> show `groups` in user logined
[4:40] <MAN-AT-ARMS> i think when i tried q3 sdl loaded pulse module, not alsa
[4:40] <Gordio> as user.
[4:40] <steve_rox> pitty we cant get halflife1 ported or maybe unreal1
[4:40] <Gordio> MAN-AT-ARMS, q3 use OpenAL
[4:40] <Gordio> if I not forget
[4:40] <Gordio> *wrong
[4:40] <UnaClocker> pi adm dialout cdrom sudo audio video plugdev games users netdev input indiecity
[4:40] <MAN-AT-ARMS> depends what source youre using for q3
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[4:43] <Gordio> UnaClocker, "what source youre using for q3"? :)
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[4:43] <Gordio> I know only io_quake "or die;" :)
[4:44] <UnaClocker> I followed this guide, it's the first result in google, and it's on raspi.org....
[4:44] <UnaClocker> err, bad link, one sec.
[4:44] <UnaClocker> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=18853
[4:44] <UnaClocker> Stupid google and their monsterous links...
[4:45] <Gordio> :D
[4:45] <Gordio> Try stupid duckduckgo :D
[4:47] <UnaClocker> I almost changed the name of that to something that'd get me banned..
[4:47] <steve_rox> so anything else fun going on?
[4:47] <steve_rox> A fun name?
[4:48] <MAN-AT-ARMS> unclocker..that build of ioquake3 for pi is old
[4:48] <MAN-AT-ARMS> not ancient, but older
[4:50] <UnaClocker> It's github, it's supposed to be automatically updated, that's the whole point.
[4:50] <MAN-AT-ARMS> try this one
[4:50] <MAN-AT-ARMS> https://github.com/twolife/ioq3
[4:51] <MAN-AT-ARMS> its newer build..but you have to edit the build script a little bit
[4:54] <UnaClocker> I think my problem is permissions, perhaps that build uses a different audio device that normal users have access to, but I think it'd be good to figure out how to make all audio devices accessible by all users.
[4:54] <MAN-AT-ARMS> i think there is a similar issue with the graphics
[4:55] <UnaClocker> Nah, I've played that version for hours. Graphics work fine.
[4:56] <UnaClocker> heh, doing a git pull while he's playing is lagging it hard..
[4:58] <MAN-AT-ARMS> notice in that tutorial that you linked...look at this line:
[4:59] <MAN-AT-ARMS> sudo ./ioquake3.arm
[4:59] <MAN-AT-ARMS> i.e. root
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[5:00] <UnaClocker> Ahh yeah.. Linux newb's.. Running a game as root.. sheesh..
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[5:05] <Gordio> UnaClocker, aplay -D default <- normal play?
[5:05] <Gordio> *normal worked?
[5:06] <UnaClocker> http://youtu.be/NHcdnuLC4WA
[5:07] <UnaClocker> aplay -D default does nothing.
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[5:07] <Gordio> aplay -D default <audio.wav>
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[5:07] <Gordio> Find wav and test :)
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[5:16] <Torikun> it can play quake 3 but not browse the web decently lol
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[5:19] <turtleJP> Torikun : funny how that has worked out
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[5:23] <dmckell> I'm looking for some basic help with My Pi running Wheezy
[5:23] <dmckell> I can't seem to find out how I can run xchat at startup.
[5:27] <UnaClocker> I think there's a .xinitrc somewhere..
[5:28] <dmckell> I'm still pretty new, so that might as well have been in greek. =)
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[5:32] <UnaClocker> dmckell: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/50
[5:32] <dmckell> looking now...
[5:32] <dmckell> ty
[5:32] <UnaClocker> Looks like /etc/X111/Xsession.d/ has scripts..
[5:32] <UnaClocker> see the startup-local script example...
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[5:36] <dmckell> I think I understand...
[5:36] <dmckell> You know... it's these sort of things that are keeping Linux out of the mainstream. LOL
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[5:36] <dmckell> I know KDE and Gnome and variants have their own ways which are easier...
[5:37] <UnaClocker> hehe, well the more maintstream distro's using gnome/kde are probably a lot easier.. But both are too heavy for the Pi.
[5:37] <Jeran> ok, so im trying to increase the partition size that my rasbioan is running on
[5:37] <Jeran> but i dont really understand fdisk, and when i put in "fdisk -l" nothing happens
[5:37] <UnaClocker> Jeran: If you're running raspbian, raspi-config will do it automatically for you.
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[5:38] <Jeran> all i can see is the allocation for the graphics memory
[5:39] <Jeran> and it things it only has 2 gigs to work with on an 8 gig card
[5:39] <Jeran> thinks*
[5:40] <turtleJP> anyone use Dillo and know why when following links it returns a 302 moved error ?
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[5:40] <UnaClocker> Dillo barely works..
[5:41] <UnaClocker> I've had the most luck with iceweasel..
[5:41] <akk> So many sites don't work without all the fancy modern javascript etc ...
[5:42] <turtleJP> agreed,
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[5:45] <ScottG> I'm trying to play a DVD from a USB drive. However, when I try to run the device from mplayer I get this: http://privatepaste.com/e0df2e4896
[5:45] <dmckell> well, Time to reboot to see if this works. Thanks for the help!
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[5:46] <dmckell> well, Time to reboot to see if this works. Thanks for the help!/ I love it on the Pi
[5:46] <dmckell> openelec.tv
[5:46] <dmckell> wtf happened
[5:47] <dmckell> lol
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[5:47] <Triffid_Hunter> ScottG: looks like it's compiled wrong
[5:47] <ScottG> Triffid_Hunter: I just got mplayer through my package mangaer.
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[5:48] <UnaClocker> Probably has some x86 assembly in the source.. I think you have to use omxplayer with the Pi.
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[5:55] <ScottG> UnaClocker: OK, I don't think omxplayer supports an argument like dvd:// though
[5:56] <UnaClocker> Why not just run XBMC?
[5:56] <ScottG> I also tried mounting the dvd and playing one of the VOB files with omxplayer and got this error: http://privatepaste.com/07a68aac96
[5:57] <ScottG> UnaClocker: I might eventually but I like to know how this stuff works from the command line.
[5:57] <ScottG> You tend to run into even more hard to fix problems if you come across them in GUIs
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[5:58] <Triffid_Hunter> ScottG: need decss to play vobs
[5:58] <ScottG> Triffid_Hunter: I have them. I bought one today.
[5:58] <ScottG> And it's set up
[5:59] <iamatt> hello, trying to install vnc server on a pi2 system running 'wheezy' but apt-get and apt-cache search do now show any tightvnc, or any vnc in the repo
[5:59] <iamatt> do i need to add another repo to install ? I am trying to do headless since i have no mon =]
[6:00] <UnaClocker> iamatt: "aptitude search vnc" came up with tons of results for me.
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[6:00] <iamatt> ok i'm an centos/sles guy at work and never used debian...
[6:00] <iamatt> i'll try 'aptitude'
[6:00] <UnaClocker> May need to do an apt-get update first.
[6:01] <iamatt> root@raspberrypi:~# aptitude search tightvnc
[6:01] <iamatt> root@raspberrypi:~#
[6:01] <iamatt> i did an update earlier.
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[6:02] <UnaClocker> p tightvncserver - virtual network computing server software
[6:02] <iamatt> i jsut have wheezy main in my sources list
[6:02] <iamatt> do i need to add another repo?
[6:02] <UnaClocker> I just have the standard Raspbian based distro from raspberrypi.org's downloads page.
[6:02] <Triffid_Hunter> ScottG: you bought an algorithm that's in the public domain?
[6:02] <iamatt> UnaClocker can you msg me your sources
[6:02] <iamatt> heh
[6:02] <UnaClocker> Triffid_Hunter: That's the nice thing about public domain, you're free to do ANYTHING you want with it.
[6:03] <ScottG> Triffid_Hunter: What? Are you trying to say I was stupid to buy it? Perhaps. But I didn't feel like looking for it and I could spare $3 to get my system working
[6:03] <ScottG> Unfortunately it still isn't working and that doens't seem to be the fault of the codec.
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[6:04] <Triffid_Hunter> ScottG: don't know what to say, I've always just pointed mplayer at them
[6:05] <ScottG> Triffid_Hunter: I don't even know if I got mplayer to run the dvd directly it would even work since when I try to play video from mplayer normally it lags and only omxplayer really works
[6:07] <herdingcat> hi anyone ever cross-compile MPI based programs? I have compiled OpenMPI ARM version but seems failed w/ mpiblast configure...
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[6:07] <herdingcat> here's the output: http://fpaste.org/PHbP/
[6:07] <UnaClocker> Mmm, over an hour of Quake 3, and my Pi's CPU is up to 52C.. ;)
[6:09] <jackmackg> So if I get a raspberry pi I will most likely be using linux on it. right?
[6:10] <alpha080> yes
[6:10] <UnaClocker> jackmackg: Yeah. You can run Risc OS on it, but there are no apps.
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[6:17] <jackmackg> ok I have no problem with that
[6:17] <jackmackg> I should not say if. I mean to say I am
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[6:40] <UnaClocker> Mmmm, I just found a better pak file for Q3.. Much better. :)
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[6:56] <iamatt> thanks for the help
[6:56] <iamatt> got my vnc installed
[6:56] <iamatt> working on wpa_supplicant atm
[6:56] <iamatt> :-D
[6:57] <iamatt> where does wpa_supplicant stuff log at boot?
[6:57] <iamatt> works manually but not at boot
[6:57] <herdingcat> iamatt, dmesg
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[7:00] <Jeran> ok, so my problem just got worse.
[7:00] <Jeran> when i was trying to change the partition sizes on my SD card, i couldnt do it but then accidently set the pi so that it automatically boots to the desktop...
[7:00] <Jeran> but it has an issue where it doesn have enough memory in it's current partition
[7:01] <Jeran> so it just hangs
[7:01] <Jeran> and never gets out, so i cant undo that setting
[7:01] <Jeran> and plugging the SD card back into a card reader on windows just causes it to hang, and not know anything beyond that something is plugged in
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[7:27] <ebarch> Jeran: do you have a bootable linux CD you could pop in and load up the SD card on?
[7:28] <Jeran> ebarch: as in like any old linux distro
[7:29] <Jeran> i have tried putting the SD card on my linux box, but it also was having troubles with it.
[7:29] <ebarch> hmm???that's odd. it should at least mount the main partition with boot.txt on it
[7:29] <ebarch> err boot/config.txt i mean
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[7:42] <mdik> Jeran: are there other devices you could check the integrity of the sd card in? e.g. putting it in a camera and then formatting it
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[7:48] <Jeran> i dont have any SD card cameras around right now
[7:49] <Jeran> but i will look to do a format on the crd so i can just re image it
[7:50] <mdik> Jeran: maybe the next store with a picture printer might help (;
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[7:54] <[deXter]> Jeran, do a low level format
[7:55] <[deXter]> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 count=2 (for example)
[7:55] <mdik> [deXter]: how do you propose to do so when the devices jeran puts the card in freeze?
[7:55] <Jeran> yeah :/ and in the pi, it no longer boots to command line
[7:55] <Jeran> it USED to
[7:55] <Jeran> but then i broke it
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[8:00] <iamatt> heh
[8:02] <[deXter]> Well SD cards are pretty flakey anyways
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[8:06] <bluegoon> Can you take out the SD card while in Raspbian and put in another one and modify its contents?
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[8:10] <dr_willis> I dont think so bluegoon
[8:10] <bluegoon> Sigh, ok thank you
[8:10] <dr_willis> perhaps if you used berryboot to boot from a USB drive.
[8:10] <bluegoon> yea that could probably work
[8:10] <Jeran> berry boot? a usb?
[8:10] <dape> bluegoon since raspbian linux distro has it mounted and reading/writing stuff on the partitions...
[8:10] <dr_willis> or find one of those usb->sd readers ;)
[8:11] <bluegoon> heh, yea
[8:11] <Jeran> i will look into that as well
[8:11] <dr_willis> berryboot lets you boot it... then IT installs the actual os from a list to other devices
[8:11] <bluegoon> tell me something, this XBMC thing, its an os in itself, right?
[8:11] <dr_willis> XBMC is a Media plauer program
[8:12] <bluegoon> ah ok
[8:12] <dr_willis> You can get it for Linux, windows, androud and perhaps others
[8:12] <dr_willis> It was a Mod/hack for the original Xbox.
[8:12] <dr_willis> See the wiki page/homepage ;)
[8:12] <dr_willis> Theres spinoffs of XBMC such as Plex, and Boxee, and i think a few others.
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[8:13] <mdik> sd card reader are cheap. i got mine for micro sd for under 2 ???
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[8:17] <bluegoon> ok im going to go for puppy linux from usb
[8:17] <bluegoon> and then modify the SD card from there
[8:18] <dr_willis> Im not totally sure how berryboot works..
[8:18] <dr_willis> so itmay not work that way
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[8:22] <dr_willis> hmm
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[8:46] <herdingcat> is there any Fedora distro for RPi w/ armhfp support?
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[9:15] <pecorade> Hi.
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[9:20] <dr_willis> howdy
[9:28] <ParkerR> Hello
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[9:34] <dr_willis> Jello
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[9:49] <ssvb> hello, I'm looking for a good open source GLES accelerated game which does not require proprietary data to run
[9:50] <ssvb> is there anything that qualifies?
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[9:53] <dr_willis> Im not even sure what GLES means. ;P
[9:53] <dr_willis> whats your definition of good however? the pi is so limited. any major games may be slow.
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[10:02] <ssvb> dr_willis: the games using 3D accelerator, and good means something simple and fun
[10:03] <dr_willis> Err.. you do realize that under X theres no 3d acceleration yet on the pi?
[10:03] <Aciid> spybot detectaa vielki tota eblasterii
[10:03] <dr_willis> Not sure about the console/framebuffer
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[10:04] <companion> Hello there, my video's keep freezing and un freezing so I am considering of adding a bit more powerfull adapter to it which is 6v and 1200 mAh, would that be still safe for the Pi?
[10:04] <dr_willis> Only real hardware acceleration is omxplayer playing videos as far as i know
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[10:04] <dr_willis> companion: what/how are you playing them and what formats are they?
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[10:04] <companion> dr_willis, their 720P MKV's
[10:05] <companion> dr_willis, I am playing them trough XBMC aswel
[10:05] <dr_willis> Im using 5V 1800 mA ps here.. but im also running some pis from a powered usb hub ;)
[10:05] <dr_willis> what xbmc disrto are you using?
[10:05] <companion> dr_willis, the official one from raspberry Pi, compiled the XBMC my self
[10:06] <Triffid_Hunter> companion: more volts will just burn it, not make it faster
[10:06] <Triffid_Hunter> companion: rpi's cpu isn't fast enough for soft-decoding of video, get the mpeg license and use omxplayer to access the hardware decoder
[10:06] <companion> Triffid_Hunter, its not about getting faste, according to http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=3918 explains why video's are freezing and un freezing
[10:07] <companion> Triffid_Hunter, I got the MPEG2 License activated
[10:07] <ssvb> dr_willis: so it boils down only to quake3 alone?
[10:07] <dr_willis> ssvb: guess so. I hevent eve4n tried that.
[10:08] <Triffid_Hunter> companion: hm, mine played HD video beautifully once I put the license key in
[10:08] <dr_willis> Im not into gameing on my Pi wheni have other pcs for that ;)
[10:08] <dr_willis> mpeg license would only affect specific codec videos i belive.
[10:08] <companion> Triffid_Hunter, I currently did had a 1000 mAh charger on it tho
[10:08] <companion> Triffid_Hunter, I am now using my 5v 1200 mAh
[10:10] <Triffid_Hunter> companion: ah, I run power direct into the gpio header from a 5v 2A tablet charger, haven't had any problems at all
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[10:10] <companion> Triffid_Hunter, I am using the old charger of my Transformer tablet (the first one)
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[10:12] <companion> Triffid_Hunter, that 200 extra mAh solved it :)
[10:12] <companion> solved...
[10:13] <companion> !next :)
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[10:30] <mdik> went out to brush up the "email ip on bootup" example; came back with an ip serving jabber bot :??
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[11:18] <gordonDrogon> morning pi peeps!
[11:19] <shiftplusone> ahoy
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> Ahoy-ho was how AG Bell used to answer the phone... I understand it was more common than 'hello' in the early days...
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> or perhaps he was a secret pirate ;-)
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[11:23] <shiftplusone> I prefer it, it's a shame it didn't stick
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> I started to use "What Ho!" recently though. Get funny looks ...
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[11:25] <shiftplusone> heh
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[11:31] <gordonDrogon> so today. "play" with the quick2wire boarsd I think.
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[11:48] <gordonDrogon> Hm. nfs doesn't "just work" anymore. what's broken )-:
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[11:51] <Triffid_Hunter> gordonDrogon: nfs never 'just worked' for me, I use sshfs now
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[11:52] <Triffid_Hunter> I have at least half a decade of experience with it incessantly spitting stale NFS handle errors at me
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> Well, I have nearly 2 decades experice of using NFS..
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> and the Pi's already slow without adding on another layer of encryption and furefs. NFS should work. It's fast, efficient and I've been using it for 20 years.
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> looks like debian wheezy has some issues that aren't fully resolved yet migrating from portmap to rpcbind - from a cursory google.
[11:55] <xzr> think some kernel versions have some problems with nfs
[11:55] <Triffid_Hunter> gordonDrogon: pi's fast enough to play HD video over sshfs via ethernet for me
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> Triffid_Hunter, ok. good for you, but I want to use nfs, and I will use nfs.
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[11:57] <gordonDrogon> so rpcbind isn't being auto-started. start it manually and nfs "just works".
[11:57] <Kane> hi o/
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> yakko:/home/pihome/ 56G 51G 2.0G 97% /home/pihome
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[12:12] <j^> is there a way to rotate omxplayer output? i want to hang my screen upside down
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[12:18] <Tachyon`> why?
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[12:22] <j^> easier to monnth the monitor that way
[12:23] <j^> normal linux you can just xrandr rotate but omxplayer would need that since it writes to the fb directly
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[12:29] <Triffid_Hunter> j^: it writes direct to fb? would the fb rotation stuff in kernel config help? probably won't help if the vpu writes direct to video ram instead of going via the driver, unless the gpu has native rotation that the kernel supports
[12:30] <j^> Triffid_Hunter: fb rotation is off in the rasberian kernel so could not try but the docs say it only helps for the console not for other programs using the fb, so would not work i think
[12:31] <Triffid_Hunter> j^: "...is off in the rasberian kernel so could not try" <-- this kinda sounds like you're missing the whole point of open source ;)
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[12:32] <mjr> I seriously doubt it'd work
[12:32] <mjr> you'd have to get the gpu to do it, don't know if that's easily possible
[12:32] <Triffid_Hunter> me too but sshh there's possibly some realisation happening :P
[12:33] <j^> Triffid_Hunter: not sure what that has to do with open source, from reading the docs i consider it not worth to build a custom kernel to try
[12:34] <Triffid_Hunter> j^: I had a little arm linux thing a few years back, was always making new kernels because they'd leave off stuff like 'scsi: probe all luns' so only the first slot on usb card readers would work
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> my debian-fu is failing me - how can I tell what package a program belongs to...
[12:34] <j^> i am compiling kernels all the time, just right now i am hanging a screen
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[12:35] <mjr> dpkg -S filename
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> that's the one. ta. NetworkManager coes from network-manager. ugh.
[12:37] <Triffid_Hunter> j^: fair enough, there's a wider range of experience levels in here than some of the other spots I hang out, had to check ;)
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> I'm finding the package choices in Raspbian to be somewhat curious, but I guess that's just the perference of the folks who put it together. I'd roll my own, but there's only so much time I have...
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> modemmanager ... but maybe that's used when tethering to a mobile phone, who knows.
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[12:39] <mjr> it is
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[12:39] <mjr> also mobile sticks
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> I think I'd have prefered a lightweight base system with a setof 'how to's' for adding more, but that's just me.
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[12:43] <mjr> guessing network-manager pulls that in, quite reasonably
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[12:44] <bryter> if i want to run deluge at startup, is there a simple way to do it or do i need to create a "start at boot" script?
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> probably.
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> bryter, the simple say is to put it into /etc/rc.local
[12:44] <bryter> what do i put there?
[12:44] <bryter> deluge?
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> bryter, however I've no idea that bryter is, so you might need to be somewhat creative - ie. does it need a home directoyr, run as a user, etc.
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> er, deluge...
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[12:46] <bryter> deluge is a torrent client at it is run as root
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok. good luck then.
[12:47] <mjr> wouldn't recommend running torrent clients as root
[12:47] <bryter> i just opened rc.local but im not sure how to proceed...do i change the existing text or do i make new entries?
[12:48] <bryter> mjr: why not?
[12:48] <Triffid_Hunter> bryter: make new entry. may want to read commandline options for deluge, make sure it daemonises and writes its pid and a log to appropriate places
[12:49] <mjr> Same reason as you generally don't want to run stuff as root that doesn't have to. Security exposure.
[12:49] <Triffid_Hunter> bryter: also, su - username -c 'command -options' is your friend
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[12:49] <steve_rox> wish someone told windows about the whole root crap :-p
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[12:51] <aDro> Anyway to access my linux partition from windows, on a pc?
[12:51] <steve_rox> i think i managed it with limited sucess
[12:51] <Triffid_Hunter> aDro: I'm told there's ext2/3 mounters for windows.. personally I'd go the vmware/livecd route though
[12:51] <steve_rox> need a prog to mount the partiton or something
[12:52] <aDro> Anything simple, like a terminal interface?
[12:52] <dwatkins> aDro: if it's a FAT partition, it should just work, but if it's ext2 or ext3 as Triffid_Hunter says, there are experimental drivers
[12:52] <dwatkins> alternatively, boot linux from a live USB, aDro
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[12:53] <steve_rox> ubuntu live cd
[12:53] <aDro> I just wanted to know if I could access to the directories from within windows.
[12:53] <steve_rox> i used it to try repair one my sd after it was corrupt
[12:53] <aDro> Not all that important.
[12:53] <steve_rox> it failed
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[12:54] <dwatkins> many distros run straight from a FAT32 partition anywaym, which can just be accessed on Windows
[12:54] <aDro> I am attempting to get a webcam to work without the corrupted pixels. It works fine on Ubuntu.
[12:54] <mjr> dwatkins, ...no they don't
[12:54] <dwatkins> oh ok, I stand corrected
[12:54] <dwatkins> perhaps I'm thinking of live usb
[12:54] <steve_rox> why would linux use fat32 as default?
[12:55] <steve_rox> :-P
[12:55] <dwatkins> ah, /boot is FAT
[12:55] <Triffid_Hunter> dwatkins: liveusb has a fat partition indeed, but linux doesn't use it as primary.. usually there's a squashfs or cramfs with a tmpfs union over the top, possibly with some swap
[12:56] <steve_rox> i see that adafruit web ide was updated i think , it looks most jolly
[12:56] <Triffid_Hunter> rpi has fat /boot so we can stick config.txt in it and the bootloader or w/e can pick it up
[12:56] <dwatkins> w/e?
[12:57] <Triffid_Hunter> short for 'whatever'
[12:57] <Triffid_Hunter> or possibly weekend depending on context
[12:57] <dwatkins> heh thanks
[13:01] <steve_rox> damn its cold , need to order all pc to overclock room warm
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:01] <Triffid_Hunter> steve_rox: that's the one thing pentium 4 were really good at
[13:02] <steve_rox> haha
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> or Sun kit...
[13:02] <steve_rox> how many pi's does it take to heat a room i wonder :-P
[13:02] <Triffid_Hunter> I remember warming my room many a time by cranking up the frequencies, voltages and leaving games running
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[13:03] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, at 3w a time, then in the order of 1000 for the room I'm currently in ...
[13:03] <steve_rox> damn
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> a 2KW fan heater just about copes, but my 3KW fire is better.
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> I'd light it but Im probably going out for a walk later on.
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[13:04] <steve_rox> perhaps we can make a heat emulator on the pi which consists of fandy led shapes of fire being coded in
[13:04] <steve_rox> fancy*
[13:04] <Triffid_Hunter> steve_rox: I'm sure you could find a hearth loop on youtube
[13:04] <steve_rox> best option i can think of
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[13:07] <steve_rox> more snow may be on the way too
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[13:08] <djazz> got my pibow! http://i.imgur.com/CuMX404.jpg
[13:08] <steve_rox> i loose track of whats what with these crazy names ppl choose
[13:09] <steve_rox> ahhh a one of them :-)
[13:09] <steve_rox> i sometimes refer to it as the gaypride case :-)
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[13:11] <steve_rox> aghhh more rpi unboxing vids on utube
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> animate this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/officeFire.jpg
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[13:13] <kroon> Hi. I'm using openembedded-core together with the raspberrypi meta layer. Is it possible to run the sd image in qemu ?
[13:13] <steve_rox> would need lot of led
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[13:18] <steve_rox> wonder if you can still buy them fake consoles anywhere called "pcp station" or "pop station" im wondering if a pi could be shoved into one
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[13:20] <steve_rox> would make a fun case if it fit
[13:20] <steve_rox> its electronic recycleing :-D
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[13:32] <gordonDrogon> Ugh. So rpcbind won't start in squeeze as it depends on 'network' but there is no 'network' procided in init.d, however there is 'networking' ...
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> so someone in debian has goofed, I suspect.
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[13:32] <gordonDrogon> nfs-common needs portmap - and there is no portmap anymore either.
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[13:46] <scummos> gordonDrogon: let's just hope debian moves to systemd quickly ;)
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[13:47] <dape> yeah, its awesome on alarmpi, it starts in few seconds
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[13:49] <gordonDrogon> scummos, Bah. give me old fashioned rc.local...
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> actually, I use file-rc on some of the smallers systems I've built. I think it's very good.
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> might just migrate a Pi to that to see.
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[13:51] <scummos> systemd is far superior to sysvinit, if just for the fact that it reduces startup time to 1/4 ;)
[13:51] <scummos> or so
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[13:52] <gordonDrogon> who cares about startup time when you only reboot once a year...
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> 12:52:25 up 1545 days, 15:58, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> or several years...
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[13:53] <steve_rox> heh
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[13:54] <gordonDrogon> switched a pi to file-rc. booted fine. done.
[13:55] <qdk> Hello there... Is it possible to have sound come out of both HDMI and the analog outlet?
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> time for a walk.
[13:57] <steve_rox> have fun
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[14:29] <scummos> gordonDrogon: haha, what computer is that? ;p
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[14:30] <joukio> goodday
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[14:35] <Eette> qdk: I believe that you have to pick, one or the other.
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[14:40] <dero> xyz
[14:42] <dape> Eette qdk someone running raspbmc right now could plug a headphone set into the rpi while playing some video over hdmi to a tv or lcd to see if the audio jack has priority
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[15:05] <politie> hello
[15:06] <politie> i bought a raspberry pi, but it will not boot. the green led lights up, no screen is shown and after a while the green led turns off again
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[15:08] <politie> i tried re writing the sd card a couple of times but no luck
[15:09] <dape> politie connected via hdmi ? check your display to see if it has hdmi turned on
[15:09] <Caleb> politie: sure youre writing the card right?
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[15:11] <politie> i use the same hdmi as my desktop. i used the win32 program thats adviced
[15:11] <politie> to write the sd card, do i need to format it in a certain way before maybe?
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[15:15] <TomWij> politie: Power supply?
[15:15] <politie> what image do you advice me to install on it?
[15:16] <aDro> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=30431
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[15:16] <TomWij> Welke stroom adapter gebruik je?
[15:17] <politie> nokia 5v
[15:17] <joukio> guys... please keep it in English... or pm
[15:17] <TomWij> How many mA?
[15:17] <politie> 160ma
[15:17] <aDro> Voltmeter? Multimeter?
[15:18] <politie> dont have one at the moment, could get one
[15:18] <mgottschlag> 160mA sounds like you read the wrong number
[15:18] <aDro> I got some on sale at Canadian Tire
[15:18] <politie> 1200 mA
[15:18] <aDro> More than enough
[15:18] <aDro> 1.2Amps
[15:18] <TomWij> That's a Nokia AC-10E, yeah, should be fine.
[15:19] <aDro> Cable?
[15:19] <aDro> Attached?
[15:19] <politie> what cable?
[15:19] <politie> oh yea attached, not usb
[15:20] <TomWij> politie: How are the partitions formatted? Which filetypes do they have? Are there files on the first partition?
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[15:21] <politie> fat32 it seemed but its like 75mb. i read thats because its a unix format and windows wont read it properly
[15:22] <TomWij> Yeah, the second partition is in Linux format, you'll need a ext2 driver to be able to access that partition (although you probably never have to).
[15:22] <TomWij> But the first partition is in FAT32 such that you can view and manipulate it from Windows, are there files on that first partition?
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[15:23] <politie> yes there are
[15:23] <politie> 11 files
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[15:24] <TomWij> Sounds good. This was with Win32DiskImager, right?
[15:24] <TomWij> politie: There are two methods at http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Copying_the_image_to_an_SD_card_on_Windows
[15:25] <TomWij> I assume you did something similar to the first method, you can verify the steps to see whether you have done it correctly; if not, the second method might yield a better result.
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[15:27] <politie> yea i used wwin32diskimager
[15:27] <politie> i will try
[15:28] <TomWij> politie: Hmm, since the green light does "something" I think it might be booting; if the image thing doesn't work you might check whether you can force it to detect the HDMI output.
[15:30] <TomWij> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
[15:30] <TomWij> You can set hdmi_force_hotplug=1 in config.txt such that it pretends a HDMI hotplug signal is asserted so that it appears a HDMI display is attached.
[15:32] <politie> ok let me try that first
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[15:36] <politie> ahhh an image finally, thanks man
[15:36] <politie> uncommented hdmi_force
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[15:36] <TomWij> Yeah, thought I was already too late to suggest that. Glad you didn't waste too much time on the other method then.
[15:37] <politie> thanks alot TomWij
[15:37] <TomWij> Okay, next time I ask for green light and hdmi_force_hotplug before checking up partitions. :D
[15:38] <politie> it only seems i corrupted the image or so, got some errors
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[15:47] <Aartsie> hi all !
[15:48] <Aartsie> can someone tell me what armhf means ?
[15:48] <Haxxa> its the platform that raspberry pi is based off
[15:48] <PhotoJim> ARM is a CPU architecture. "hf" means "hard float", which is a feature that most ARM CPUs like the Pis don't have, but the Pi has.
[15:49] <PhotoJim> (most ARM CPUs of the Pi's CPU's generation, that is)
[15:49] <Haxxa> for example the aritecture of a 64bit is often refered to as amd64
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[15:51] <Armand> Aartsie, "Raspbian is an unofficial port of Debian Wheezy armhf with compilation settings adjusted to produce optimized "hard float" code that will run on the Raspberry Pi. This provides significantly faster performance for applications that make heavy use of floating point arithmetic operations. All other applications will also gain some performance through the use of advanced instructions of the ARMv6 CPU in Rasp
[15:51] <Armand> berry Pi."
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[15:53] <Aartsie> oke i ask it because i'm looking for distro's and found this: http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
[15:53] <Aartsie> so i have to look for an distro with armhf
[15:53] <herdingcat> which one is the latest image in this mirror? http://mirrors.tuna.tsinghua.edu.cn/raspbian/
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[15:56] <KRF> hey
[15:56] <mjr> Aartsie, some armhf distros (such as the official debian armhf) are for armv7 though, pi only supports armv6
[15:56] <Armand> Aartsie, http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[15:57] <ShadowJK> Is the non-hf debians compiled with vfp too?
[15:57] <Aartsie> yes i have now the wheezy but i was looking for someting else
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[15:58] * ShadowJK thought the hf part of armhf referred to the ABI, passing floating point arguments to functions in registers instead of stack
[15:59] <Armand> Aartsie, I can't really advise as I only use Raspbian.
[15:59] <Aartsie> Armand: ok :)
[15:59] <Aartsie> mjr: on that website they said that it works on the pi
[15:59] <Armand> Seemed logical, as I'm using Debian on my laptop. :)
[16:00] <chithead> you can use vfp instructions without armhf, but usually there is little point in doing so due to the performance penalty
[16:01] <PhotoJim> A lot of distros that work on the Pi don't use that hardware floating point function, so stuff runs slower than it could. Raspbian does use that capability and it gains speed as a result.
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[16:01] <PhotoJim> e.g. Debian runs on the Pi, but it's slower. That's why Raspbian was forked from Debian.
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[16:03] <ShadowJK> chithead; i'm pretty sure the penalty isn't all that big?
[16:03] <chithead> it is measurable
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[16:04] <gordonDrogon> developing my photos now.
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[16:05] <chithead> ShadowJK: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort/VfpComparison has some explanation
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> the floating point thing is very measurable in programs that use it.
[16:07] * lee swears enthusiastically
[16:07] <chithead> gordonDrogon: yes, but the question was vfp+softfp vs. hardfp, not fp emulation vs. hardfp
[16:08] <lee> just spent the best part of an hour trying to work out why this thing wouldn't work. turns out 0.1mm makes all the difference when it comes to dc plugs
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/snowdrops.jpg
[16:09] <ShadowJK> chithead; right, that page is pretty much in line with what I thought the situation was :)
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[16:30] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/my-365/january-2013/mandarin/
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[16:35] <lee> gordonDrogon: I wasn't sure whether to expect the instrument or the language, wasn't expecting that
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[16:40] <ambro718> is there any existing software that would record an input GPIO pin, and show me a picture of the signal?
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[16:41] <ambro718> actually, I have a PWM signal with unknown frequency/duration, and need to figure those out.
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[16:46] <gordonDrogon> use a s'cope.
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> there is a logic analyser thing for the Pi, but it's limited in frequency.
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[16:51] <Eliatrope> what is the video driver for X.Org?
[16:51] <Eliatrope> I need to install it on Arch
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[16:53] <|Jeroen|> framebuffer i think
[16:53] <netzvieh> Eliatrope: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide#Graphical_User_Interface ?
[16:54] <netzvieh> worked fine for me...
[16:55] <pksato> Eliatrope: fbdev
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[17:12] <d3nd3> hi
[17:12] <d3nd3> my rpi turns off display through hdmi
[17:12] <d3nd3> goes black
[17:12] <d3nd3> after x inactivity
[17:13] <d3nd3> i use from console omxplayer
[17:13] <d3nd3> do know where to disable this ?
[17:15] <TAFB> d3nd3: this is what I had to do to disable screen blanking: http://pastie.org/5736562
[17:15] <pksato> d3nd3: screen dont return if press some key?
[17:15] <d3nd3> it does yes
[17:15] <d3nd3> its like power saving feature, i want to disable
[17:15] <d3nd3> but i am not running x server
[17:16] <d3nd3> so it can't be that
[17:16] <pksato> ah, ok.
[17:16] <pksato> setterm -blank 0
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[17:16] <d3nd3> whilst omxplayer is running, from terminal, i don't know how omx player is displaying graphics from command line tbh
[17:17] <pksato> setterm -powersave 0
[17:17] <d3nd3> ok thanks
[17:17] <pksato> setterm -powerdown 0
[17:17] <pksato> setterm -powersave off
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[17:18] <pksato> but, you can force blank to black screen and watch movie whitout any other things on screen.
[17:19] <d3nd3> ok will try that too
[17:19] <pksato> setterm -blank force; omxplayer video; setterm -blank poke
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[17:26] <triad> roar!
[17:27] <TomWij> d3nd3: Add consoleblank=0 to cmdline.txt
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[17:29] <Tachyon`> setterm --blank 0 I thought
[17:30] <Tachyon`> sounds like I should add that though so Id on't have to do it every time -.o
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[17:43] <steve_rox> are there any fun screen savers for the pi?
[17:44] <TAFB> i saw a matrix style text one, was about the only thing that ran OK on the Pi :)
[17:45] <steve_rox> the cmatrix one
[17:45] <steve_rox> i got that one in :-)
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[17:46] <ackthet> so... i need something that is like the rpi... but has a PCI slot
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[17:47] <TAFB> you mine PCI Express?
[17:47] <TAFB> mean
[17:47] <ackthet> no, i mean PCI
[17:47] <TAFB> lol, good luck ;)
[17:47] <ackthet> yeah
[17:47] <pksato> PCI? on ARM? and cheap board?
[17:48] <ackthet> well it dosent have to be cheap
[17:48] <TAFB> no PCI, but a few PciX
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[17:48] <steve_rox> whats normal pi operateing cpu temp btw? :-P
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[17:49] <steve_rox> this weather is makeing the pi go cold
[17:49] <steve_rox> no one will wanna eat it
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[17:49] <TAFB> steve_rox: 28c to 70c is normal
[17:49] <steve_rox> cant rember my normal avrage
[17:50] <steve_rox> interesting how these chips can take so much heat punishment
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[17:51] <AndrevS> TAFB, I assue you mean PCI Express?
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[17:51] <d3nd3> the console blank , does it affect performance or its only for when its connected to displays, because if it saves on something whilst its not connected to a display, then i should want it enabled after my movie
[17:51] <ShadowJK> Well, intel CPUs throttle at 75C, iirc
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[17:52] <TAFB> yeah, pci express :)
[17:52] <steve_rox> i get confused with pci versions
[17:53] <ackthet> TAFB: i guess ill go with atom then... something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121705&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Intel+Motherboards-_-N82E16813121705&gclid=CLfa9fSy97QCFUOK4Aod5isA9g
[17:54] <TAFB> looks good, has sata too, probably would make the Pi look silly :)
[17:54] <TAFB> ohhh gigabit lan too :)
[17:54] <TAFB> how much power will it use
[17:54] <TAFB> ?
[17:55] <steve_rox> and does it run minecraft? (sorry haha)
[17:56] <triad> does rasp run minecraft>
[17:56] <steve_rox> yea
[17:57] <triad> seriously ?
[17:57] <steve_rox> i got hold of the leaked alpha
[17:57] <triad> the B model runs minecraft ?
[17:57] <TAFB> cool box: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-openrdudetails.aspx
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[18:24] <TAFB> another pool game about to start streaming from the Pi: http://tafb02.click2stream.com
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[18:27] <steve_rox> im back
[18:27] <TAFB> welcome back :)
[18:27] <TAFB> did ya check out my stream ^^ :)
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[18:28] <steve_rox> its likely my client crashed before i got the link
[18:28] <TAFB> http://tafb02.click2stream.com
[18:28] <steve_rox> what ya steamin?
[18:28] <TAFB> pool game :)
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[18:29] <steve_rox> how partually disturbing :-P
[18:29] <steve_rox> did you make pi play?
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[18:30] <TAFB> how did I stream it from the Pi? It's a network IP camera, and I run crtmpserver on the Pi which converts RTSP stream to flash compatible h264 RTMP so I can stream over the web to like flow player, etc.
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[18:30] <steve_rox> oh so the pi is doing something?
[18:31] <TAFB> yeppers :) without it, camera can't stream to flash (flash doesn't support RTSP)
[18:31] <steve_rox> someone needs to set clock on their vcr its flashing
[18:31] <TAFB> lol, the power did go out here three times last night :)
[18:31] <steve_rox> hehe :-)
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[18:33] <steve_rox> managed to get a openRA server running on the pi
[18:33] <steve_rox> not sure how stable/effective it is tho
[18:33] <TAFB> nice
[18:34] <TAFB> I just installed Anno 2070, haven't tried it yet.
[18:35] <steve_rox> video appears to have broken out intro a bar fight now and they are beating each other with pointy sticks
[18:35] <TAFB> lol, there is some alcohol in the background, disaronno amaretto my favourite :)
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[18:36] <steve_rox> these ppl even know their online ? ;-)
[18:36] <TAFB> yep :) lol
[18:36] <steve_rox> :-P
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[18:37] <steve_rox> id try streaming something myself but i dont know how to configure and i dont have a wifi cam
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[18:38] <steve_rox> be interesting when the cam units for the pi start shipping
[18:38] <TAFB> no ip cameras at all? :) there's a really really nice $57 including shipping WiFi ip camera, works freakin great.
[18:38] <TAFB> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-Original-Wanscam-Wireless-Outdoor-use-Waterproof-Security-System-Wifi-Network-IR-NightVision-IP-Camera/449395708.html
[18:39] <steve_rox> night vision too eh
[18:39] <steve_rox> i have some dangerious 1W IR immitters here somewhere
[18:39] <steve_rox> that would light the place up
[18:39] <steve_rox> and loose someones eyesight
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[18:41] <steve_rox> brb i spose im hungry
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> shouldn't - unless you looked directly into them - they're not lasers..
[18:41] <steve_rox> i have exp in eye lazor damage
[18:41] <steve_rox> but i recovered
[18:41] <steve_rox> brb soon
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> http://kategreene.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/warning-laser-6402-300x200.png
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[19:00] <TAFB> remaining :)
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[19:11] <atouk> gordon, have you seen thie? - http://hackaday.com/2013/01/14/papercraft-dial-is-the-slide-ruler-of-current-limiting-resistors/
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[19:13] <gordonDrogon> neat.
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[19:18] <gordonDrogon> I have a circular slide rule I used when flying.
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> has the usual numbers stuff plus things like fuel density calculations, etc.
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> I also have a "proper" one too.
[19:19] <atouk> i have a few antique ones packed away at home somewhere
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> hm.. wonder where.
[19:20] <atouk> used to be able to pick them up at antique shops for just a few bucks each
[19:20] <atouk> since ebay and the internet, everything interesting has become a collectable with insane pricing
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> I actually used mine when at school.
[19:22] <TAFB> still waiting for megaupload to go back online, way too much traffic I guess, sheesh
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/sliderule.jpg
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[19:23] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit grubby.
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> We did have calculators when I was at school - just. However they were banned and we had to use log-tables.
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[19:23] <gordonDrogon> I had this slide rule which was faster than log-tables.
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> I think some of the staff were annoyed that I had one, but they didn't stop me using it.
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[19:24] <gordonDrogon> they were really annoyed when I had a calculator, but they were banned in maths, but not in engineering or physics.
[19:27] <atouk> i had a math teacher that would let you use a calculator in class if you could solve a silmutaneus equation faster than him using a rule. he let randon students pick the contents of the equation.
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> crafty.
[19:27] <atouk> don't think he ever lost
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[19:27] <atouk> that was before programmale ones
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> I had a programmable one at uny.
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> and used it to do various stuff in numerical anlysis - and even then the lecturers were a bit put-out, but there was little they could do - I was studying computing!
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[19:29] <atouk> remember my first. ti with the chicklet style buttons, and red leds
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> but they actually wanted us to write out stuf like lines and lines of iterative stuff by hand...
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> chicklet... must be some kind of sweet, I guess?
[19:29] <atouk> 5 whole functions. +, -, *, /, and sqrt
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> :)
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> loads of old caclulatros going cheap on ebay.
[19:30] <atouk> first "scirntific" was a unisonic with green vfd display
[19:30] <shiftplusone> Hm, in my case it's a bit stupid. We were not allowed calculators up to about 3rd grade, then I came to Australia where we didn't need calculators till year 10. Now I am at uni and they have forbidden programmable calculators and just allow calculators with basic functions and imaginary numbers, but not much more than that. Kind of a shame to see the ti going to waste.
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> I'd love a Curta calculator though. They are very expensive though.
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curta_calculator
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> they are just fantastic.
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> but a good one can go for over ?1000 on ebay.
[19:32] <canton7> yay pepper pots!
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> ah well.
[19:32] <shiftplusone> 1000 for a modern one?
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> they're not modern. stopped production in late 60's I think.
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> purely mechanical.
[19:33] <shiftplusone> Surely there are clones though
[19:33] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, we have one of those at my faculty.
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> I doubt it. very fine metalworking.
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, keep it clean!
[19:33] <atouk> someone will probobly do one on a 3d printer
[19:33] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, I think it's behind glass
[19:33] <Amadiro> atouk, lol, good luck with that
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, yea, shame. they were meant to be used, but ...
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[19:34] <shiftplusone> I've had my eye on one of those as well, but when I saw the prices I set the idea aside, heh. Would be interesting to show up to an exam with one of those >.>
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> heh..
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> right. spot of food time. laters.
[19:34] <Amadiro> Most 3D printers have difficulty enough to make something that doesn't look like it was pooped out by a small rodent, I doubt anything but the most expensive ones would be able to print the necessary mechanical parts at this scale
[19:34] <shiftplusone> Think there was a numberphile episode on them
[19:34] <atouk> there's just a wonderful kind of insanity behind that kind of engineering
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[19:35] <shiftplusone> Ah yeah, that's where I know them from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDn_DDsBWws
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[20:06] <aDro> I am the king of the world!
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> aDro, are you?
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[20:15] <gordonDrogon> ah, just watched the vid. fantastic. must save up for one.
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[20:16] <gordonDrogon> I could sell my Mk14 and get one ...
[20:17] <rikkib> Morning Gordon... Still snowing?
[20:18] <rikkib> I have invited you to join my LinkedIn contacts.
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[20:23] <gordonDrogon> still? it's not snowed here for over a day now.
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> we have no snow.
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> linked in? oh that old thing..
[20:24] <nid0> been snowing the past few hours here, only fairly lightly but its building up
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, don't see any new invites..
[20:24] <rikkib> Hmmm
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[20:25] <gordonDrogon> oh wait - you sent the invite in email, didn't you (rather than use linked in's system?)
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> that means it got sent to the wrong email address...
[20:25] <rikkib> No the system
[20:25] <rikkib> By entering your email
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> I did get an invite from linked in, but it's not present in my linked in page.
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> yes. that's not the email I have for linked in.
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> so it doesn't appear in my linked in page thingy.
[20:26] <rikkib> Ahhhh
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> I get these people pople bulk upload their address book )-:
[20:27] <rikkib> I tossed 800 odd contacts into it.
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> some might stick :)
[20:28] <rikkib> Threw up about 100 that use LinkedIn
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[20:28] <mervaka> so, i went on a labview course on thursday/friday.
[20:28] <mervaka> which required me to buy a single board RIO
[20:29] <mervaka> would anyone like to buy the sbRIO from me at cost? :P
[20:29] <rikkib> Certainly do not see any value for money paying them. $29NZD/month
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[20:29] <gordonDrogon> does anyone pay linkedin?
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[20:30] <rikkib> Do not think so... Not from what i can see
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> someone must, but then they sell adverts, so ...
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[20:32] <rikkib> The Internet business model for much as so broken
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.linkedin.com/in/gordonhenderson/
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> is my page.
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> you can click on the funky join link there I think.
[20:32] <rikkib> Mr Dot Com back at it again with the launch of Mega
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> it's been abes since I actually bothered with linked in though.
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> yes, in your home country too :)
[20:33] <rikkib> He has a high profile here
[20:34] <rikkib> Personally I am against the way the authorities when about things
[20:34] <turtleJP> been trying to connect to mega all day and have yet to make an connection
[20:35] <rikkib> His cloud has vanished into thin air :)
[20:35] <nils_2> welcome to the raspberry world. now i am playing the second day with my rpi \o/
[20:35] <nid0> miserable failure of a launch imo, no reason at all for high profile new sites to be down on their first day in this day and age
[20:36] <Gordio> \o/
[20:36] <Gordio> O
[20:36] <Gordio> \
[20:36] <Gordio> ops)
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> what's his new site url?
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[20:36] <nid0> mega.co.nz
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> no IPv6 )-:
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[20:38] <rikkib> IPv6 is slow in coming here. Vint Cerf has been here trying push it along.
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> underestmated demand then...
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[20:40] <nid0> means they didnt plan something right, these days practically infinitely expandable capacity is pretty easy given the right prior planning
[20:40] <rikkib> Finished final debugging of watchdog yesterday after discussions with the maintainer.
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> so all mega is doing is providing storage. nothing else.
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> I can't work that one out - his competitor is dropbox then.
[20:42] <nid0> yeah its basically just a free 50GB dropbox by the sounds of it, his "new feature" is essentially strong encryption, I gather that your storage is an encrypted container for which you generate and hold the key when you signup
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> so he's not going to make money on it...
[20:43] <nid0> so in that regard it provides better out of the box than most others, but its no different to just uploading a truecrypt container to any other storage provider and mounting that
[20:43] <nid0> there're paid storage upgrades
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> like dropbox, I guess.
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> I suppose that once he's ironed out the initial access issues... who do you trust the most with your data in the cloud?
[20:44] <nid0> the problem is just he's so far behind everything else, and needs to get people to take him seriously.
[20:44] <chithead> if you take encryption into your own hands, then no need to trust anyone else
[20:44] <nid0> 50gb vs 5gb is worthless if the 5gb comes with clients that can seamlessly hook you up via every concievable device, and the 50gb mega needs you to use their website, or delve into webdav/nfs/whatever other mounting options it provides that're vastly beyond most users
[20:45] <nid0> for this, microsoft are doing very well with skydrive
[20:45] <chithead> webdav is trivial to access in windows, osx and linux
[20:46] <nid0> yes, for you and me. most users who want easy syncing of their device have never even heard of webdav, let alone have any clue how it might apply to them
[20:46] <Amadiro> I had quite a few problems with webdav under XP.
[20:46] <nid0> besides, setting up webdav mounts on non-pc devices like phones isnt exactly straightforward
[20:47] <nils_2> i compiled weechat on the rpi and the first time in my life i created deb packages. if someone wants to test. i was able to install packages and i connected with the irc client
[20:47] <chithead> free webdav apps for android exist, not sure about other mobile platforms
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[20:48] <nid0> not exactly an integratedd solution when you have to give a user a page of instructions for configuring webdav on their pc, then tell them to download this random client for their phone, oh wait, you have the wrong version of android, its actually *that* random client you need
[20:49] <nid0> not when compared to using dropbox and downloading the dropbox client everywhere
[20:49] <rikkib> nils_2, Congratulations... Welcome to the world of Debian development
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[20:49] <nid0> or, if you're tied into MS, just having it all automagically in place with skydrive
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> I need to learn how to make debian packages... one day ...
[20:49] <nils_2> thanks... rikkib. took quite a time (not cross compiled:-)
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> the trouble is that that sort of locks you in to debian.
[20:50] <rikkib> I used debuild yesterday to create a patch for the watchdog maintainer
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> Arch users seems to be slowly creeping into double digits on the Pi too... then we'll have FC, then Gentoo, etc.
[20:51] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, I note I could not strip the gpio binary when I tried.
[20:51] <aDro> What was the generated info page about the Raspberry pi?
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> I'd consider running my own debian repository but that would alienate arch, etc. users.
[20:51] <aDro> I downloaded it, but I lost it
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, not strip it?
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[20:52] <rikkib> I recompiled it with -g
[20:52] <rikkib> then stripped it
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> pi@raspberrypi ~/wiringPi/gpio $ ls -l gpio
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 pi pi 20647 Jan 19 15:11 gpio
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> pi@raspberrypi ~/wiringPi/gpio $ strip gpio
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> pi@raspberrypi ~/wiringPi/gpio $ ls -l gpio
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 pi pi 16240 Jan 20 19:52 gpio
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> oh.
[20:52] <aDro> piwww.zip
[20:52] <aDro> found it
[20:52] <rikkib> reduced it by 10K I think
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> not that concerned tbh.
[20:53] <rymate1234> hmmm
[20:53] <rymate1234> in throry
[20:53] <atouk> t'twas I that did the info page
[20:53] <rymate1234> how hard would it be to get firefox to render websites with the gpu
[20:53] <rikkib> True.. Nothing to be concerned about... I was just playing around
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> so did some people actually lose data on his original venture? as in, they didn't have it backed up somewhere else?
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> (mega that is)
[20:55] <nid0> supposedly lots of people yeah
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> I never really paid any attention at the time...
[20:55] <mjr> people have claimed that at least
[20:55] <rikkib> Unless you want to create a Deb package then I think it is policy to strip... debuild does that.
[20:55] <nid0> but frankly, anyone who used megaupload for anything more than uploading illegal video/audio to share
[20:55] <nid0> is stupid
[20:55] <rymate1234> I heard some people used megaupload for sharing legit files
[20:56] <nid0> there probably was that one person that one time yeah
[20:56] <mjr> some of the claims might be just to annoy the government, but little doubt some are real
[20:57] <mjr> mostly just anyone who kept their _only_ copies of important files there were stupid, but not really more so than anyone without decent backups
[20:58] <TomWij> rikkib: Double digits?
[20:59] <rikkib> ?
[20:59] <TomWij> Oh, I read the name wrong. :D
[20:59] <TomWij> gordonDrogon | Arch users seems to be slowly creeping into double digits on the Pi too... then we'll have FC, then Gentoo, etc.
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[21:00] <rymate1234> who would use gentoo on a pi
[21:01] <TomWij> I do. :)
[21:01] <rymate1234> How long did it take to compile everything!
[21:01] <TomWij> Not long. <3 distcc
[21:02] <rymate1234> lol
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[21:10] <turtleJP> trying to remove Net Surf for my Pi anyone know what the actual package is called
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[21:12] <nid0> netsurf
[21:12] <turtleJP> ahh got it netsurf-gtk
[21:13] <turtleJP> for some reason apt was not liking netsurf
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[21:40] <viric> Hello berries
[21:41] <viric> does the raspbian kernel support nfsroot?
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[21:43] <biberao> yo
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[21:44] <companion> viric, nfsroot?
[21:44] <viric> ok perfect
[21:44] <companion> viric, it depends per distro tho
[21:45] <viric> raspbian
[21:45] <companion> viric, it works fine depending on what you want to do
[21:45] <viric> I expect to do the same as if it weren't nfsroot
[21:45] <companion> un fortunately my Pi let me burn trough 90 episodes of Anime
[21:46] <companion> viric, how can I look it up for ya?
[21:46] <viric> ?
[21:46] <companion> I got raspbian running tho ^-^
[21:46] <companion> viric, there are two or three different versions tho of Raspbian, one with hardfloat and one with softfloat
[21:46] <viric> hardfloat, sure
[21:47] <viric> that shouldn't matter for nfsroot.
[21:47] <companion> aight
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[21:47] <SpeedEvil> I prefer al d??nt?? float.
[21:47] <companion> you should take the regular version then I gues
[21:48] <rikkib> I am running nfsroot on one of my camera's
[21:48] <viric> rikkib: raspbian kernel?
[21:48] <companion> SpeedEvil, as far my interest goes in linux is server/media kind of functions I am no diehard coder/geek into linux tho
[21:48] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
[21:48] <rikkib> 3.1.09
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[21:49] <companion> Damn fail2ban :s
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[21:49] <rikkib> Yes Raspbian but and old kernel as new kernel is broken last time I checked
[21:49] <companion> $ uname -a / Linux debian 3.6.11+ #358 PREEMPT Tue Jan 15 00:45:33 GMT 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[21:49] <companion> works perfect for me tho
[21:50] <rikkib> I run moitio
[21:50] <viric> rikkib: how does the stream work as a single img?
[21:50] <viric> html img tag
[21:50] <viric> "and old kernel as new kernel is broken" ?
[21:50] <rikkib> How do you mean...
[21:50] <rikkib> Old kernel works withj motion new no
[21:51] <viric> ah ok
[21:51] <viric> so, that url you gave, has "img src=http://www.bencom.co.nz:8081/?action=stream" in a tag. How that loads more than one picture? :)
[21:51] <viric> I don't know much html, clearly
[21:51] <rikkib> There are plenty of directions on the net to set up nfsroot
[21:51] <viric> I don't ask about nfsroot anymore :)
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[21:52] <rikkib> That will work I think
[21:52] <rikkib> try it on bencom
[21:52] <viric> hm too much noise in the channel.
[21:52] <viric> I don't understand a word.
[21:52] <rikkib> Let me grab the html
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[21:54] <rikkib> <td width=50% align="left"><a href="http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/""> <img src=http://www.bencom.co.nz:8081/?action=stream border="0" width=100%></a></td>
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[21:56] <rikkib> Breakfast... Back in half an hour
[21:57] <politie> i havent gotten the rasberry to work one time. no screen or timeout waiting for hardware interupt... do i have an incomatible sd disk?
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[22:01] <gordonDrogon> I prefer an ice cream float.
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[22:05] <politie> hey what 8 or 16 gb sd card is adviced best?
[22:06] <dape> politie sandisk 8 gb ultra marked with 30 mb/sec (i have 20 mb/sec with arch linux)
[22:07] <politie> ok. thanks dape. i have kingston now but doesnt seem to work
[22:07] <dape> i have one 8 gb kingston too, its marked class 10 but have only 8 mb/sec.. really low
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[22:08] <politie> but it does boot?
[22:08] <dape> yup
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[22:08] <politie> ok
[22:09] <politie> mine boots but then gets stuck in timeouts
[22:09] <dape> politie https://www.pcgarage.ro/carduri-memorie/kingston/secure-digital-hc-8gb-class-10/
[22:10] <dape> politie but this one works awesome and should be the best buy, its like 12 usd - http://www.f64.ro/sandisk-ultra-sdhc-8gb-uhs-i-card-de-memorie-30mb-s-sdsdu-008g-u46.html
[22:11] <politie> thanks man. im looking it up to buy in my country
[22:12] <Cykey> hey guys, when I run "sudo i2cdetect -y 1" it doesn't return anything
[22:12] <Cykey> why?
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> no i2c module loaded?
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> or is it a rev 1 board?
[22:12] <Cykey> rev 2
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> lsmod | fgrep -i i2c
[22:12] <Cykey> i2c_dev 5620 0
[22:12] <Cykey> i2c_bcm2708 3759 0
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> maybe nothings pluggd in.
[22:14] <Cykey> gordonDrogon: something is plugged in
[22:14] <Cykey> an MCP23017
[22:14] <Cykey> i2c port expander
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> not wired up correctly then?
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> you ought to see 20 in the display.
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> (by default)
[22:15] <Cykey> It used to work lol
[22:15] <Cykey> sec, let me check my wiring
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[22:15] <Cykey> Should I use 1k resistors to bridge A0,A1,A2 to GND or just cables?
[22:16] <Cykey> I'm using resistors atm, maybe that's why
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> don't think you need resistors.
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> but it shouldn' matter.
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> and oddly enough I'm playing with one such beast right now.
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> on the quick 2 wire board..
[22:18] <Cykey> maybe the chip's broken? haha
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> who knows...
[22:20] <Cykey> gordonDrogon: should reset be HIGH or LOW? heh ;p
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[22:22] <gordonDrogon> no idea.
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> reset low to reser, high when in-use.
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[22:23] <gordonDrogon> must be externally biased.
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> so tie it high via a 1K reistor.
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[22:27] <Cykey> Hm, still undetected
[22:27] <Cykey> wait, RESET and VCC should go ti 5v right?
[22:27] <Cykey> s/ti/to/
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> 3.v
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> 3.3
[22:28] <Cykey> well fuck
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> *cought* language.... family friendly channel *cought*
[22:28] <kroon> Anyone got some hint on making my rpi display via hdmi on a Sony TV ?
[22:29] <Cykey> Family friendly. Haha :-P
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[22:31] <ParkerR> kroon, http://elinux.org/RPiconfig "hdmi_force_hotplug Pretends HDMI hotplug signal is asserted so it appears a HDMI display is attached"
[22:31] <Cykey> Hm, still no love from the chip. I'll buy another and try with that one.
[22:31] <Cykey> thanks guys
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> it may just be something else. in all probability it will work at 5v over the Pi's I2C
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> I presume you've tried obvious and swapped the 2 wires to the chip?
[22:35] <Cykey> SDA and SCL?
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[22:37] <kroon> ParkerR, still no picture, but I guess I have lots of options to try out..
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[22:37] <jya_> hello there...
[22:37] <Torikun> Yo
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> Cykey, yes.
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> Cykey, I presume you also have 0v connected to the chip...
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> mines working - I'm happy:)
[22:39] <Torikun> Tablets so much easier to type w/o case
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[22:39] <jya_> I have got a raspberry pi last friday, I've had a few instability issues and was hoping people had some hints one what could be done to improve things. I can't give much info other than it's a hard crash. The unit is headless and just stop responding to ping (it's connected via ethernet). so i can't see any kernel dump info
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[22:40] <Torikun> Make sure you have proper power supply jya
[22:40] <jya_> this unit has two usb serial adapters , both pl2303 based (one rs485, one rs232)
[22:40] <Torikun> 5v or higher
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[22:40] <jya_> i use the 1A power supply that I purchased from element 14...
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[22:40] <Cykey> gordonDrogon: yes, vss goes to ground and vdd goes to 3.3
[22:40] <Torikun> Ok
[22:40] <Torikun> USB devices use a lot of power
[22:41] <Torikun> A hub that is powered is recommend
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[22:41] <jya_> 1A is on the low side in theory, but a pl2303 won't draw anywhere near that
[22:42] <jya_> ok??? i'll try with a powered usb ???. kind of defeat the purpose of a tiny box if i need two big power adapter :)
[22:43] <Torikun> True
[22:43] <Torikun> More disappointments will follow
[22:43] <rikkib> Would you like me to test the current drawn by a pl2303? USB side that is.
[22:44] <jya_> i was a tad disappointed that element14 raspberry power supply was 1A only, when the doc for the raspberry states it should be a minimum of 750mA, that leaves little room for any power adapter
[22:44] <jya_> rikkib: if you can do it easily sure...
[22:44] <Torikun> Yours is greater jya right?
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[22:44] <jya_> Torikun: the adapter is 1A
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[22:45] <Torikun> And requirement less than 1 amp?
[22:45] <jya_> let me find you the link
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[22:45] <rikkib> 18.6mA with nothing connected
[22:45] <jya_> Torikun: the doc states 750mA minimum.. USB spec is 500mA max
[22:45] <Torikun> 750 miliamps less than 1 amp?
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[22:45] <jya_> rikkib: yeah, so 1A is more than enough
[22:45] <rikkib> Give me a sec and I will hook it to my RPi
[22:46] <Torikun> So you need 1.5 amps?
[22:46] <jya_> Torikun: hmmm, yes. 1mA = 1 milli amp, 1000mA = 1A
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[22:46] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/q2w.c
[22:46] <rikkib> Have to look up the gpio pin out
[22:47] <jya_> Torikun: if you are using the max spec allowed by USB yes, but if a PL2303 is using 18mA, *2 = 36mA, the Pi 750, 1A adapter is enough in my case
[22:47] <Torikun> OK cool
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[22:49] <jya_> i tried using the trick of limiting the speed of the USB down to USB 1.1 by adding dwc_otg.speed=1 to /boot??? that didn't help from what I've seen
[22:49] <rikkib> Current drawn by pl2303 when connected is the same
[22:50] <jya_> rikkib: you have a pl2303 connected to a pi right now ?
[22:50] <jya_> is it attached to /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1 ?
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[22:50] <rikkib> No I use the pl2303 to connect to the gpio serial port
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[22:51] <rikkib> Then connect the usb to a linux box
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[22:52] <rikkib> The pl2303 is for testing as I have stm32v boards which I connect to the RPi via serial
[22:52] <jya_> could you quickly connect it to the pi, I want you to try something and see if that makes the pi crash??? I have a way to make it crash reliably, and wanted to see if it's the same for you...
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[22:52] <rikkib> So I can debug so I can write software for the stm32v
[22:53] <Torikun> Mega.co.nz anyone try it yet?
[22:53] <jya_> rikkib: i understand, i do something very similar on a daily basis...
[22:53] <rikkib> Just one of my debug tools like the usb break out box that I used to measure the current of things
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[22:54] <jya_> http://au.element14.com/avico/smp1/power-supply-usb-5v-1a-aunz/dp/2115471
[22:54] <jya_> that's the ps i use
[22:54] <rikkib> jya_, You live in NZ or Au
[22:54] <jya_> Au
[22:55] * rikkib NZ
[22:55] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz
[22:55] <jya_> my inlaws are in NZ right now??? only ever been to the airport myself as a stopover :)
[22:55] <dape> meh, i got my rpi kit from local store (RO) and they put a nice chinese 1,2a ps
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[22:56] <rikkib> Some pics of my toys... dir /images/news/ has some pics
[22:56] <jya_> i use the pi to pull data from various power sensors and read solar inverter. htpc.avenard.org/power
[22:56] <dape> rikkib maybe you could turn index on so we can browse the images..
[22:57] <jya_> been down for two days, yesterday it had crashed at 6:32AM and wasn't there to restart it, and again this morning??? messing up my stats :(
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[22:57] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/
[22:57] <rikkib> Index is on
[22:57] <dape> jya_'s site loads nothing
[22:58] <dape> yours is 403 forbidden
[22:58] <jya_> rikkib: if you get the can get the chance to plug the pl2303 directly to the pi, and it mounts are /dev/ttyUSB0
[22:58] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/stm32-rpi.jpg
[22:58] <dape> if you like these errors here's mine (accesible only via ipv6) - http://www.pi6.ro/
[22:59] <jya_> run udevadm info -a -p $(udevadm info -q path -n /dev/ttyUSB0)
[22:59] <rikkib> dape, Your ISP is probably in my hosts.deny file
[22:59] <jya_> that causes mine to crash every single time
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/quick2wire-boards-are-here/
[22:59] <rikkib> dape, Do you know your IP address?
[22:59] <dape> rikkib impossbru, i'm on dynamic ip, you don't have enough space to fill out those many subnets :P
[23:00] <jya_> dape: no ipv6 here???. http://htpc.avenard.org/power gives you a 403 ?
[23:00] <dape> jya_ nope, just loads forever
[23:00] <rikkib> Wanna bet.. I sometimes block whole class a,b and c
[23:00] <dape> you evil little pi owner :-)
[23:01] <jya_> dape: it's on a dynamic IP, doesn't changed often, but may have just changed....
[23:01] <dape> gordonDrogon's site is pretty cool
[23:01] <dape> jya_ np, a small ttl on your dns could help
[23:01] <Torikun> WWW.linux-toys.com powered by 3 pi
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> dape, thanks. really just a personal blog/thing to keep track of what I'm doing!
[23:01] <rikkib> I am an anit-spam activist I sometimes get attacked by nasty hacker/spammers
[23:01] <jya_> working here from a remote site
[23:02] <dape> Torikun yours? looks nice
[23:02] <Torikun> Yup ty
[23:02] <dape> damn, nice idea, i'm gonna get a second pi to try nginx on it too
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[23:03] <Torikun> Nice
[23:03] <rikkib> .ro
[23:03] <dape> you should have get different cases :P
[23:03] <Torikun> I got php one,SQL on one, load balancer on one
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[23:04] * dape puts a note in the phone "get a pi each month when the paycheck arrives"
[23:05] <Torikun> Hahaha cool
[23:05] <Torikun> I got 4
[23:05] * rikkib has 6
[23:05] <Torikun> Think I got two too many
[23:06] <jya_> i have one, and if I can't have it running reliably for more than a day, isn't likely to get another :(
[23:06] <rikkib> To make RPi run reliably on my web cam setup I use kernel 3.1.09
[23:06] <jya_> dape: what does htpc.avenard.org resolve as ?
[23:07] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
[23:07] <dape> jya_
[23:07] <jya_> that's the right IP
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[23:09] <jya_> all you guys are running the wheezy disturb?
[23:09] <jya_> s/distur/distrib/
[23:09] <rikkib> best viewed with vlc
[23:09] <rikkib> Trcuk unloading a container atm
[23:10] <dape> me and Torikun run awesome arch linux
[23:10] <Torikun> Yup as arch ftw
[23:11] <jya_> i used to use centos for many many years, but switched to ubuntu about 4 years ago, so I'm much more familiar with their packaging system
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[23:12] <Torikun> I wish cent was for arm
[23:12] <jya_> are the latest wheezy and arch linux using the same kernel version?
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[23:12] <dape> 3.6.11 on arch, so no 3.7.3 yet..
[23:12] <TAFB> rikkib: i was gonna open VLC and test, but my VLC is recording my dad's pool game right now :) http://tafb02.click2stream.com
[23:13] <jya_> how do you guys compile for the pi? cross-compile on a PC or compile directly on the box ?
[23:13] <rikkib> Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #358 PREEMPT Tue Jan 15 00:45:33 GMT 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[23:13] <dape> took them 358 recompiles of that kernel to get it done :P
[23:14] <plugwash> jya_, it varies, some people do cross-compile but it can be a pain to get things set up right, still it's worth it for people who are trying to build the same large peice of software over and over
[23:15] <jya_> plugwash: plus i don't want to kill the SD card any faster than I have to...
[23:15] <plugwash> compiling on the Pi is easy to get working but it's not fast :/
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[23:16] <plugwash> we build raspbian in chroots on better arm hardware (which works pretty well but of course requires one to own better arm hardware)
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[23:17] <sedulous> Is there a prebuilt 3.6 kernel package for Raspbian?
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[23:18] <MAN-AT-ARMS> yeah
[23:18] <sedulous> where?
[23:18] <MAN-AT-ARMS> rpi-update
[23:19] <jsteel> Hi. Does omxplayer have an OSD at all? I would like to see at least a progress bar when I skip forward/back
[23:19] <Torikun> Nope
[23:19] <Torikun> Lol
[23:19] <MAN-AT-ARMS> sudo wget http://goo.gl/1BOfJ -O /usr/bin/rpi-update && sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/rpi-update < to install rpi-update
[23:19] <Torikun> Annoying
[23:19] <Amadiro> jsteel, xbmc is the OSD for omxplayer
[23:20] <Amadiro> the "OSD"
[23:20] <jsteel> Amadiro: ok thanks. I found that was a little slow so decided to try omxplayer as a standalone
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[23:21] <jsteel> what's the leading distro for xmbc nowadays?
[23:21] <jsteel> *xbmc
[23:22] <sedulous> thanks MAN-AT-ARMS
[23:22] <Torikun> I go and openelec most stable
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[23:29] <rikkib> plugwash, How do you deal with all the libraries to do a full raspbian cross-compile?
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[23:36] <plugwash> rikkib, well yeah that's the problem
[23:36] <plugwash> I did some experiments with multiarch based cross-building but concluded it wasn't really mature enough to be generally useful yet
[23:37] <plugwash> if you are building one thing over and over you will hack things until it works but if you are building lots of different things like we do that isn't practical
[23:37] <plugwash> hence why raspbian is built natively (though on better arm hardware than the pi)
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[23:40] <jya_> plugwash: I've been doing cross-compiling on ARM or MIPS based machine for years ??? i'm involved in the TomatoUSB router projects, all using broadcom mips based router..
[23:41] <jya_> though I have to admit, compiling on the board itself has been made very easy
[23:41] <jya_> though if I keep getting USB utility like that, I'm going to start wanting to dive into the problem and do some kernel debugging??? not going to compile linux on a Pi itself, that's for sure
[23:41] <plugwash> the thing is that the likes of tomato, openwrt etc were built for cross-compiling so someone else has already solved the problems of getting all the libraries etc set up right for cross-building
[23:42] <jya_> plugwash: one has to start :)
[23:42] <plugwash> while debian was always natively compiled so while the tools have some support for cross-building it is far from mature (though there is likely to be a push to fix this with the next release)
[23:43] <jya_> i'm rather busy at this stage to really be of some help, but if you guys need an extra hand...
[23:43] <jya_> currently working on an ARM platform, but it's with our own OS and building using visual studio arm compiler
[23:44] <jya_> I posed a new topic on the Pi forum about my problems: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=30488
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[23:46] <RedHeadedG> OK, Anyone familur with MPD and MPC?
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[23:54] <jya_> mpd the pptp daemon or the music stuff?
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[23:54] <RedHeadedG> music =)
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[23:57] <RedHeadedG> I got MPD and shairport working on my RPi. (Woot!) I setup a switch, so it powers on the speakers when a stream comes on from shairpoint.... but I am having a few issues with MPD, and my google-fu is weak, I can't figure out how to describe the problem concisely.
[23:57] <RedHeadedG> The volume in MPD/MPC % is not the same % value in alsamixer
[23:58] <jya_> RedHeadedG: they would typically manage different value
[23:58] <jya_> the volume in alsamixer would typically be master
[23:58] <jya_> while an application like mpd would use the PCM mixer instead
[23:59] <jya_> but I wouldn't think you could play shairport via mpd
[23:59] <jya_> shairport access the audio output directly...
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[23:59] <RedHeadedG> jya_: So it is normal for mpc volume 50 to result to 08 in AlsaMixer?

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