#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-21

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[0:00] <jya_> RedHeadedG: they would have different value, not sure what mpd does in this case??? personally, I would set the volume to the max in an application like mpd, and use alsamixer to handle the value as you wish
[0:01] <RedHeadedG> jya_: I had hopes of using a remote MPC client to control volume....
[0:02] <jya_> what algorithm mpd uses I don't know??? but with alsa, you're never going to have much control on the application itself
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[0:04] <TAFB> mega is up, finally! sheesh.
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[0:06] <ReadHeadedG> Sorry, not sure what happened.
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[0:08] <otak> mpd has different ways of controlling sound output
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[0:08] <ReadHeadedG> I saw hardware and software
[0:09] <otak> that would only affect the mpd output
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[0:10] <ReadHeadedG> But, it actually changes the value in AlsaMixer, so that confuses me.
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[0:11] <otak> in the alsa section you define which alsa line it controls
[0:12] <ReadHeadedG> audio_output { ?
[0:13] <otak> yup that part, unfortunately as I'm using mpd on a desktop I have it set to not interfere with other audio apps
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[0:21] <Torikun> oi
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[0:40] <Jupp3> Hi, on raspberry pi, I'm getting glGetError 0x502 continuously to terminal (when running my program), any idea where / why that comes from, and how to disable that?
[0:40] <Amadiro> Jupp3, have you looked which error 0x502 is
[0:40] <Amadiro> that would be a start
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[0:41] <Jupp3> Amadiro: That's GL_INVALID_OPERATION, but that's unrelated to the problem
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[0:41] <Amadiro> is it really
[0:42] <Jupp3> Well, it's related to a different problem, which should be fixed, which would be so much easier if the current problem didn't exist :)
[0:42] <Amadiro> and your current problem is...?
[0:43] <Jupp3> Amadiro: I get that continuously to my terminal when the program is running, and none of my own error checks get triggered (because apparently "some function, somewhere" clears the debug log & print useless output)
[0:43] <Jupp3> If it didn't do that, I could easily point out WHERE that happens by my own error checks
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[0:44] <Jupp3> And the bigger problem is, this happens in a library that's used by a program
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[0:44] <Amadiro> so how are we supposed to know where you print that out to the terminal without seeing the source, if even you don't?
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[0:45] <Jupp3> Amadiro: grep -r glGetError for the source returns exactly 3 hits, and only "source hit" is my own debug function, which never gets triggered
[0:45] <Jupp3> For the library
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[0:47] <Jupp3> Using EGL without X
[0:47] <Torikun> I hear Fedora made an awesome new installer =)
[0:47] <Jupp3> Amadiro: The point is - I do NOT print that to the terminal
[0:48] <Jupp3> However, I would very much like to print USEFUL debug information to the terminal but I cannot - the error is "gone"
[0:48] <Amadiro> Jupp3, well, since you're apparently not willing to tell us what libraries you're using, we can't help you with that either.
[0:48] <Jupp3> Amadiro: EGL, GLES2
[0:49] <Jupp3> Those are the only things I could think of doing that
[0:49] <Amadiro> Jupp3, well, paste your sourcecode somewhere
[0:49] <Hopsy> what does segmentation fault means?
[0:49] <Jupp3> Hopsy: Usually illegal memory access
[0:50] <Hopsy> how do I solve it?
[0:50] <Jupp3> Using invalid (often NULL) pointer or such
[0:50] <Jupp3> Hopsy: Run gdb yourbinary
[0:50] <Jupp3> Then r args
[0:50] <Jupp3> When it crashes, type bt to see backtrace (which functions were called)
[0:51] <Jupp3> Amadiro: It's really too much to paste...
[0:51] <Jupp3> Amadiro: I just assumed something like this would be a known issue, since it can seriously hinder debugging
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[0:51] <Amadiro> Hopsy, it's like an exception that was thrown by your CPU because you did something wrong. You can find out where it came from by using a debugger.
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[0:51] <Hopsy> http://gyazo.com/a0b71bb1e9e791f4d960f18061c4ccd3.png
[0:51] <Amadiro> Jupp3, not really, and I can't imagine that either EGL or GLESv2 are doing it.
[0:53] <Jupp3> Hopsy: Did you strip your binary?
[0:54] <Hopsy> not really
[0:54] <Hopsy> Jupp3: I downloaded from http://packages.debian.org
[0:54] <Hopsy> for armhf
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[0:56] <Jupp3> Hopsy: Well, if it's something precompiled, it might well be
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[1:00] <blahee> Hopsy: armhf is likely armv7 binary and raspi is armv6
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[1:01] <blahee> it should most likely die to "Illegal Instruction" tho
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[1:03] <Amadiro> Hopsy, if you want to figure out where the segfault came from, you'll need to get the -dbg version of the package.
[1:04] <Jupp3> Amadiro: Hmm... vcos_log_warn("glGetError 0x%x", result); - Guess that at least explains the print
[1:04] <blahee> (it seems thatrasbian uses armhf.deb too)
[1:04] <Amadiro> Jupp3, indeed. Where did you find that?
[1:04] <Jupp3> Amadiro: interface/khronos/glxx/glxx_client.c
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[1:06] <Amadiro> Jupp3, okay. Probably something broadcom forgot in there...
[1:06] <Jupp3> Amadiro: In glGetError() function, still seems to return the error value though...
[1:06] <Jupp3> Amadiro: Well, there are 2 questions here: 1)Why it gets printed, and 2)Who calls it
[1:06] <Jupp3> Now I have an answer to 1
[1:07] <Hopsy> Amadiro: where do I find that :O
[1:08] <Amadiro> Hopsy, in the repositories, typically
[1:08] <Hopsy> I only see the deb file
[1:08] <Hopsy> hmm
[1:08] <Jupp3> Bah...
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[1:09] <Jupp3> Amadiro: Was changing source file names, and forgot the old file to rpi-specific Makefile, and the debug handling had this one nasty bug...
[1:09] <Jupp3> Still wonder why the old file was there, should have been removed by git
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[1:10] <Amadiro> Jupp3, you have to "git rm" it
[1:10] <Amadiro> or preferrably "git mv"
[1:12] <jonn-mac> do the gpio pins on rpi have enough juice to power an led or two?
[1:12] <Amadiro> jonn-mac, depends on the LED, look at its datasheet and compare with the current the GPIO pin can output for you
[1:12] <Amadiro> and remember to insert an appropriate resistor
[1:13] <Amadiro> I'm powering three small LEDs from my GPIO pins
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[1:17] <jonn-mac> Amadiro: you havent happened to try pulsing those have you? with pwm?
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[1:18] <jonn-mac> that's what I'm thinking I might try to do
[1:18] <Amadiro> no, I'm just turning them on/off (well, two of them; one is directly on the 5V rail to indicate that the pi is powered; the other two indicate status readiness and network throughput)
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[1:19] <jonn-mac> hmm
[1:19] <jonn-mac> I'm just not sure what to shove this in. I think I would only need like 2-3 LEDs???I just want to monitor build status. I just don't want it to look like ass
[1:20] <jonn-mac> I'm suprised I couldn't seem to find any rpi cases with LEDs built in
[1:20] <Jupp3> Amadiro: Now that I think of it, I was traveling and had my rpi with me. And while I did have (wireless) network connection, that didn't help much getting files from one computer to rpi, probably ended up with the old files thanks to that
[1:21] <Jupp3> Amadiro: Anyway, can't see much point for that debug print. Anyone who ever calls glGetError() is likely going to do a better job at helping find the problem than that debug print does :)
[1:21] <Amadiro> jonn-mac, well, drilling a hole or two is easy enough. I'm just housing my pi in a lunchbox with three holes in it, and a small PCB underneath to hold the LEDs in place
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[1:22] <jonn-mac> I mean I could shove my rpi in my desk maybe
[1:22] <Amadiro> Jupp3, yes, the user is supposed to call glGetError() himself, they probably forgot it there
[1:22] <Jupp3> Amadiro: Well, that print is IN glGetError() :P
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[1:22] <Jupp3> So never printed, unless user (or some "in-between" library) calls it
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[1:23] <Jupp3> About glsl, for(int i=0; i<CONSTANT_MAX_VALUE; ++i) <-is it legal to move "int i;" to some earlier line?
[1:24] <Jupp3> Just wondering... Always worked everywhere else I tried, but on rpi, I got some weird error
[1:24] <Jupp3> You know, "as you can do in C/C++"
[1:24] <Amadiro> Jupp3, strange... I'm calling that function, and I haven't gotten any spurious debug messages yet
[1:24] <jonn-mac> Amadiro: considering getting somethng like this, and gutting the internals: http://www.officeplayground.com/Desktop-Traffic-Light-105-inch-P1656.aspx
[1:24] <jonn-mac> but that would require more power likely
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[1:25] <Amadiro> Jupp3, it is, and in some versions of C it is even required
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[1:25] <djazz> is my 100 Mbit/s LED broken? http://i.imgur.com/fjHh36s.jpg it worked just fine two days ago, and its a brand new pi
[1:25] <Jupp3> But for loop with non-constant max value isn't, but seems to be allowed quite often
[1:26] <djazz> cuz I can download at most 5 MB/s
[1:26] <Amadiro> Jupp3, what do you mean?
[1:26] <Amadiro> djazz, 5MiB/s is about the best you can get out of the pi
[1:27] <djazz> if i do the command to check /sys/class/.../speed, it says 100
[1:27] <Jupp3> Amadiro: That on rpi it fails, if I have f.ex. for(int i=0; i<my_uniform; ++i)
[1:27] <djazz> so, just the led?
[1:28] <Amadiro> Jupp3, "it fails"?
[1:28] <Jupp3> Amadiro: Yes, it's not allowed in glsl
[1:28] <Amadiro> Jupp3, well, glsl is not C.
[1:29] <djazz> picture the day before led "broke": http://i48.tinypic.com/5dv03l.jpg (the day it arrived)
[1:29] <djazz> this is my forth pi
[1:30] <Amadiro> djazz, you're getting 5MiB/s, not 5Mb/s, yes?
[1:30] <pronto> TOUCHDOWN :D
[1:30] <djazz> 5 Megabytes per second
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[1:31] <djazz> uh, i never remember that
[1:31] <Amadiro> djazz, then that's pretty much normal speed. You could try measuring whether there's a voltage over the LED.
[1:31] <djazz> i suppose
[1:31] <Jupp3> Amadiro: I know, that's just one of the most annoying differences :)
[1:32] <Jupp3> And probably quite a bit of code fails there, as that restriction seems to be quite openly ignored
[1:32] <Jupp3> I guess the idea is that the loop has to be "unrollable"
[1:34] <Amadiro> Jupp3, yes, constraints like that are typical for GPU-code
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[2:07] <MAN-AT-ARMS> its a USB ethernet adapter, so don't expect much
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[2:10] <prjkt> out of curiosity, for mass production what is the equivalent single board computer to a raspberrypi - meaning, if you develop on raspberrypi how would you next do a run of 10,000 units?
[2:11] <TomWij> Why would you run on 10,000 units?
[2:11] <prjkt> or whatever units
[2:11] <prjkt> it's a general question about mass producing a commercial product
[2:12] <TomWij> So, why not use the Raspberry Pi itself?
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[2:13] <prjkt> because it's limited in quantity and not really for mass production?
[2:13] <prjkt> it's hard sometimes to even get enough
[2:14] <TomWij> Just file an order for 10,000 units? They process that quite fast.
[2:14] <prjkt> oh
[2:15] <TomWij> Look at the RS thread in Ordering and Shipping and see how the order numbers progress.
[2:15] <prjkt> i thought that once you hit a certain size and weren't really using it as a learning tool, it would make sense to embed something else
[2:15] <Jupp3> Definitely faster than "just buying one or two when seeing some for sale" :D
[2:15] <TomWij> Dunno how it goes for Farnell.
[2:15] <prjkt> size run*
[2:15] <Jupp3> prjkt: Probably yes, but what have you got in mind?
[2:15] <Jupp3> There are some similar android products already
[2:16] <Jupp3> Around same price too
[2:16] <prjkt> well, i have in mind prototyping my device on the pi and then when it's ready to be mass-produced, using some equivalent small board that is hard to connect to by hand but makes mroe sense for embedding on a mass produced scale
[2:16] <prjkt> i dont know what i was thinking exactly.
[2:16] <prjkt> just that the pi is more something for using, not a component on a mass production line.
[2:16] <Jupp3> prjkt: Don't worry, neither do we :)
[2:17] <TomWij> Ah, I see; yeah, the RPi is very accessible.
[2:17] <prjkt> I mean that's great for prototyping
[2:17] <TomWij> Though, it would make your RMA easier. :D
[2:17] <prjkt> anyway thanks for the help guys :)
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[2:18] <TomWij> prjkt: Look for one of the comparison pages where they pit off... he's gone.
[2:18] <Triffid_Hunter> prjkt: you could always use the same chips as the pi on your own board.. needs to be done properly though, high speed signals coming out of dual stack BGA isn't sometihng you want to handle if you're new to PCB design
[2:19] <Triffid_Hunter> bah
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[2:19] <plugwash> mmm, right now nothing like that exists, the rpf have said though that they plan to open up the designs at some point
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[2:19] <plugwash> and when they do I doubt it will be that long before we see some diriviatives popping up
[2:19] <plugwash> *if and when they do
[2:20] <pksato> How many unit must be produced/sold to get mass production status?
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[2:22] <Torikun> i bought 4 so I hope that helps lol
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[2:23] <turtleJP> was looking at some of the quadcore arm boards, would assume it wouldn't be all that hard to run Raspian or DebianARM on them.
[2:24] <turtleJP> If they can handle Ubuntu 12.10 ARM then Raspian and the like would be easy enough
[2:24] <Torikun> Should be
[2:24] <Torikun> just install regular arm ubuntu on it
[2:24] <Torikun> probably more useful than the pi
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[2:25] <turtleJP> Torikun if one was going to use one as a desktop replacement especially.
[2:25] <Torikun> I did that for my daughter
[2:25] <turtleJP> did you do that with the Pi or a different ARM board?
[2:26] <Torikun> Pi
[2:26] <turtleJP> what limitations has she found ?
[2:26] <Torikun> NO flash
[2:26] <Torikun> so she runs chrome over ssh
[2:26] <turtleJP> lol
[2:26] <Torikun> slow performance
[2:27] <turtleJP> I
[2:28] <turtleJP> am using the Pi as a learning bed that I can break software wise without worrying about the consequences
[2:28] <Torikun> oh
[2:28] <Torikun> I use mine for www.linux-toys.com , 3 pi cluster, DNS, email server, backup server, database server
[2:28] <Torikun> and torrent server
[2:29] <turtleJP> the only thing that is has been painful is trying to use the web
[2:29] <Torikun> Yeah
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[2:29] <pksato> http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/17/raspberry-pi-creator-doesnt-expect-a-sequel-in-2013/
[2:29] <Torikun> yeah gives us more time to use our pi
[2:30] <Torikun> and not jump ship lol
[2:30] <turtleJP> browsers are either fast with terrible rendering or slow and decent rendering
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[2:32] <turtleJP> Torikun's site loads fast and clean though
[2:32] <Torikun> takes 3 pi's
[2:32] <Torikun> lol
[2:33] <Torikun> 1 for DB, 1 for PHP, 1 to control them
[2:34] <Torikun> also, the pi makes a great znc server for irc
[2:35] <turtleJP> In the near future I feel that will just be running it headless and stuck under the desk
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[2:35] <Torikun> if you see on my site, mien are running attached to the wall
[2:35] <Torikun> lol
[2:35] <Torikun> Yeah, I hated using it on my tv for a desktop/media center
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[2:35] <turtleJP> yeah, was curious how you have it interfacing with the TimeMachine
[2:36] <Torikun> netatalk
[2:36] <Torikun> you can install it on any distro
[2:36] <Torikun> I do not use it as TimeMachine server anymore though, had performance issues
[2:36] <Zarek_> i've got one as a headless server, but i want one for mediacenter to my old CRT TV, and one for just doing web stuff
[2:37] <Zarek_> i do want a lapdock eventually, too
[2:37] <Torikun> my daughter streams movies from the nas ok but omxplayer the only video player is very crappy lol
[2:37] <turtleJP> raspyplayer
[2:37] <dr_willis> amazing omxplayer works as well as it does. ;)
[2:37] <dr_willis> but its a work in progress...
[2:37] <Torikun> all the time the keyboard stops working in it
[2:38] <Torikun> so I have to pull the plug to mange it
[2:38] <dr_willis> Torikun: i ssh in and kill the player. ;)
[2:38] <turtleJP> Torikun, I am glad I am not the only one
[2:38] <Torikun> oh lol glad I am not the only one lol
[2:38] <Torikun> tell a 7 year to ssh in to kill omxplayer
[2:38] <Torikun> lol
[2:39] <dr_willis> I got an app on my android phone that lets me do it with 1 click. ;P
[2:39] <Torikun> What app
[2:39] <dr_willis> I only have seen the issue with omxplayer as a stand alone app. not with xbmc/xbian
[2:39] <Torikun> yeah works well with xbmc
[2:39] <dr_willis> some ssh front end.. it basically just uses the 'ssh in and run a command feature'
[2:39] <Torikun> just by itself
[2:39] <pronto> TOUCHDOWN!
[2:39] <Zarek_> hook a button to a GPIO, have a userspace daemon listening for button press, run `killall omxplayer` when button is pressed
[2:40] <Torikun> lol
[2:40] <dr_willis> 'ubuntu remote control' on android. has some neat 1 click to ssh/do this.. features
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[2:40] <Torikun> nice
[2:41] <rikkib> You can find a prototype for a button push daemon on my web site
[2:41] <Torikun> i guess I can install an ssh client and train her how to kill it
[2:41] <Torikun> make a easy script to run
[2:41] <Torikun> tha does it
[2:41] <dr_willis> you could make a killomxplayer user that has a shell of 'killall omxplayer' ;)
[2:41] <dr_willis> then ya just login as the user. ;P
[2:41] <Torikun> yup
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[2:42] <Torikun> even better dr_willis!
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[2:42] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/gitweb/?p=gate1-0.git;a=blob;f=gate1.0-build/src/gbutd.c;h=379212fea0167d753f9a8604006b540781bfce47;hb=HEAD
[2:42] <dr_willis> or just use one of the xbmc disrtos..
[2:42] <Torikun> she needs desktop to do school stuff
[2:42] <dr_willis> Err.. a Pi as a desktop machine to do school stuff.. would seem to me to be very very slow..
[2:43] <dr_willis> unless its like really basic text editing./
[2:43] <Torikun> an educational website
[2:43] <Torikun> chrome over ssh for flash site
[2:43] <dr_willis> sounds.. slugish ;) of course anything with flash is questionable ;)
[2:44] <dr_willis> but if it works
[2:44] <Torikun> works well for her lol
[2:45] <turtleJP> ok ssh with my phone looks like a winner
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[2:45] <Torikun> =)
[2:46] <dr_willis> amazing the things phones can do.
[2:46] <Torikun> can you adjust volume and fast forward on cell phone?
[2:46] <dr_willis> Seeing videos of whats comming with the new S3 Updates.
[2:46] <Torikun> s3?
[2:46] <Torikun> what is that
[2:46] <dr_willis> it has some cool things. Samsung S3 phone
[2:47] * Torikun iPhone 5
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[2:47] <dr_willis> I dont think omxplayer has a volume command line or fast forward options.. its a very basic player
[2:47] * turtleJP iPhone 5 as well
[2:47] <Torikun> turtleJP: your rock! isn't it the best thing ever
[2:47] <dr_willis> you could use the alsamixer commands perhaps
[2:47] <pksato> http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/via-unveils-79-rock-and-99-paper-arm-pcs-20130117/
[2:48] <turtleJP> Torikun: I downloaded Server Auditor seems to work well enough for free
[2:48] <dr_willis> pksato: saw those. :) sort of nifty
[2:48] <Torikun> i love that app on my n7
[2:48] <Torikun> just needs port forwarding
[2:48] <Torikun> lol
[2:48] <dr_willis> using Server Auditor on my S3 also.
[2:49] <dr_willis> that Ubuntu remote Tool - is just a little handier for some things
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[2:49] <Torikun> pisses me off that ubuntu may be getting their own X server in a few years. They already have their own Desktop and init system
[2:50] <Torikun> they are more fragmenting the Linux market
[2:50] <dr_willis> Own X server? cant say ive heard that one.
[2:50] <pksato> on omxplayer -/+ volume, Arrows fast forward etc...
[2:50] <turtleJP> Yes they are coming with their own IDE as well
[2:51] <dr_willis> and they are planing on moving to that other init system in a few releases. and dumping upstart.
[2:51] <akk> Isn't everybody going to wayland instead of X, eventually? I didn't think that was an ubuntu thing.
[2:51] <Zarek_> not their own X server, no. wayland.
[2:51] <Torikun> dr_willis: they need to go systemd like everyone else
[2:51] <akk> Hooray for giving up on upstart, finally.
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[2:51] <Torikun> Linux action show just talked about this
[2:51] <dr_willis> akk yea - wayland is not a ubuntu invention.
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[2:51] <turtleJP> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php
[2:51] <Torikun> they want an x server for their mobile and desktop markey
[2:51] <Torikun> they may choose wayland or make their own
[2:51] <turtleJP> My second to next technology purchase
[2:51] <Torikun> they want the same one on both
[2:52] <Zarek_> they'll use wayland
[2:52] <Torikun> untity just got usable after how many years of crap?
[2:52] <dr_willis> people will complain no matter what they do...
[2:52] <akk> Assuming wayland turns out to work well enough. It's still unproven.
[2:52] <turtleJP> the ability to fork any project has long been a blessing and curse for Linux/Opensource
[2:52] <Torikun> I agree turtleJP
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[2:53] <Torikun> http://mephistobackup.googlecode.com I wish someone would fork my project lol
[2:53] <turtleJP> Right or wrong Ubuntu is going forward with a unified vision of what they want an open source desktop to look like
[2:54] <Torikun> Yeah.....
[2:54] <Torikun> but linux is too fragmented
[2:54] <Torikun> already
[2:54] <dr_willis> Move forward. or sit and spin your wheels and dig in deeper.
[2:54] <turtleJP> I'd rather be moving forward
[2:55] <Torikun> Gentoo never moving to systemd
[2:55] <Torikun> lol
[2:55] <turtleJP> In the end Debian seems to be the foundation of what more and more are written on
[2:56] <Torikun> Redhat
[2:56] <Torikun> Enterprise
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[2:56] <turtleJP> Yes RH as well
[2:56] <Torikun> Ubuntu for media type apps and gaming
[2:56] <turtleJP> outside of those two what else?
[2:56] <turtleJP> Deb and RHE that is
[2:57] <Torikun> maybe suse
[2:57] <Torikun> in enterprise
[2:57] <dr_willis> I really dont have any needs other then media/irc/gameing. ;)
[2:57] <turtleJP> Forgot all about SUSE
[2:57] <akk> I'm seeing some arch in embedded/small linuces.
[2:57] <Torikun> Wow, my batter lasts much longer in osx than ubuntu
[2:57] <turtleJP> OS X being tuned for the hardware it runs on
[2:57] <Torikun> akk: I got 4 pi's running arch lol
[2:58] <Torikun> Yeah
[2:58] <turtleJP> Arch is the next thing I try on my spare SD card
[2:58] <akk> Ubuntu has never made battery life a priority.
[2:58] <akk> I hate to think what the battery life is going to be on ubuntu phones.
[2:58] <Torikun> i could not get gentoo installed to save my life
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[3:00] <Torikun> 9 hour bater remaining
[3:00] <pronto> TOUCHDOWN!
[3:01] <Torikun> Who makes awesome laptop batteries?
[3:01] <Torikun> lol
[3:01] <Torikun> Go Apple! Go Apple!
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[3:06] <Triffid_Hunter> Torikun: I've been running gentoo for years, it's the only one that doesn't argue when I tell it I want dev versions of some packages and stable versions of others
[3:06] <Torikun> lol
[3:06] <Torikun> did you get it running on pi Triffid_Hunter
[3:07] <Triffid_Hunter> on the pi? no, haven't tried.. compiling would be too painfully slow, I'd rather set up a cross toolchain and poke binary packages at it
[3:07] <Torikun> When I try to boot after extracting the stage 3 it does not load the eth drivers
[3:07] <akk> I got gentoo running, but I had problems where I'd suddenly realize I wanted some option and that required recompiling 16 other packages too.
[3:07] <Torikun> oh
[3:07] <Torikun> How did you get ethernet working akk
[3:08] <akk> And it wasn't any easier than on other distros to keep around self-hacked versions of programs, which was my main incentive for wanting a source-based distro.
[3:08] <akk> Torikun: Oh, not on pi, sorry. Just on x86.
[3:08] <Torikun> oh
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[3:08] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: put ebuild in an overlay, add your patch to the ebuild, mask higher versions, done :)
[3:09] <akk> I had a gentoo expert explain it to me, and it sounded like a lot of steps that I'd have to re-do every time I updated.
[3:10] <Torikun> Yeah
[3:10] <Torikun> newuse deep world
[3:10] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: not at all, when a new ver comes out just rename the ebuild, redo digest and go
[3:10] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: works great unless something in the upstream package has changed how the build gets done
[3:11] <Torikun> if anyone has it on the Pi, dd your image for me =)
[3:11] <Triffid_Hunter> Torikun: heh you'd want the host-side toolchain I think rather than the pi image
[3:12] <Torikun> i just want it running on my pi
[3:12] <pronto> TOUCHDOWN! o_o
[3:12] <Torikun> so I can do the ret
[3:12] <Torikun> but all the stage 3 I tried no work
[3:14] <Torikun> https://github.com/nautical/piwm
[3:14] <Torikun> maybe good for pi lol
[3:15] <akk> Has anybody used serial on the RPi on pins other than the console? Like software serial?
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[3:15] <akk> I'd like to use a serial console but still be able to talk to a serial device.
[3:16] <akk> I googled and found a few people asking that, but couldn't find any examples of anyone doing it.
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[3:19] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: should be easy, just pull the relevant getty out of /etc/inittab, then just use /dev/ttyS0 as usual
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[3:19] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: owait you want soft-serial? that would need a kernel driver that hooks into the gpio system unless the pi can remap another uart onto them
[3:20] <akk> Right, I want either a software serial driver (either kernel or userspace) or a way to map the second uart to gpio pins.
[3:20] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: userspace won't work, the timing on the pi isn't deterministic enough
[3:21] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: you could do SPI in userspace, it has a clock line so the timing doesn't matter nearly as much
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[3:25] <akk> I guess I'm not really clear on how SPI works ... is that something where I could set a baud rate and treat it like a serial line?
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[3:38] <akk> I can't find anything mentioning talking to this device with SPI, so I'm guessing it's not similar enough to vanilla serial.
[3:39] <TomWij> Torikun: I just followed ethernet part of the handbook.
[3:39] <TomWij> Triffid_Hunter: Don't mask higher versions, just mask the gentoo overlay such that it always picks your own overlay.
[3:40] <TomWij> And distcc... <3
[3:53] <Gordio> Video codec omx-h264 width 1920 height 1080 profile 100 fps 24.000000
[3:53] <Gordio> CPU usage 22% :D
[3:53] <Gordio> for decode sound :D
[3:53] <Gordio> Perfect! :D
[3:53] * Gordio :D**999
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[4:03] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: no it's not compatible with vanilla serial. it does not have start or stop bits or parity, and it exposes the clock. only one end generates the clock, so it also establishes a master/slave relationship
[4:03] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: the good thing about SPI is that it's trivially simple to bit-bang and the timing is not important
[4:04] <akk> Darn, so it probably won't help in this case, if the device expects serial ... it probably needs stop bits/parity?
[4:04] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: whereas vanilla serial needs the data to go out within 1% or less of the correct time, and the rpi simply cannot give you that timing from userspace.. you might be able to get it at really low baudrates with an RT kernel but that's a lot of effort..
[4:05] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: why not hook up an ftdi usb-serial converter?
[4:05] <akk> I saw something somewhere about the device being able to do asynchronous serial, and it sounded like maybe that meant it wasn't too picky about time.
[4:05] <akk> I hate to get extra (bulky) hardware and USB involved if I can avoid it.
[4:05] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: asynchronous serial means that it's not synchronised- the bit clock is embedded in the datastream which makes the timing extremely critical
[4:05] <akk> This is for a little robotics project.
[4:05] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: it's synchronous where the timing is relaxed
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[4:06] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: you're using a pi for robotics? any particular reason you're not using an mbed or arduino or similar microcontroller platform?
[4:07] <akk> Ah, this is synchronous, not async. I just wasn't clear on the term.
[4:08] <akk> I want to use the pi rather than arduino because it has more processing power -- I can drive it with python, use machine learning libraries, image processing etc.
[4:08] <akk> Driving hardware with the arduino is SO MUCH easier, but it's pretty limited in what it can do.
[4:09] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: sure, so use both together
[4:09] <Triffid_Hunter> rpi sucks at hard realtime and interfacing which the arduino excells at, arduino sucks at number crunching which rpi excells at (comparitively of course)
[4:09] <akk> Of course I could do that, but this is on a very small R/C car platform, and that pretty much doubles the size of what has to sit on top.
[4:10] <lins> hi, I want to purchase a raspberry pi board. But I don't know there are many accessories listed in the store. I want to know which accessories I need to buy beside the basic board.
[4:10] <akk> I have a serial motor controller, I just have to get the pi to talk to it while still letting me talk to the pi during the programming/debugging phase.
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[4:11] <lins> My purpose: compile the ARM version of a piece of linux software. I need to connect raspberry pi to LAN network and SSH into the raspberry pi, and that's enough.
[4:11] <Triffid_Hunter> lins: as long as you have the pi, a compatible SD card, a micro-b cable and a _good_ power supply (5v 2A preferably) you'll be golden.. consider if you also need usb keyboard/mouse, ethernet cable, hdmi cable, etc
[4:12] <Triffid_Hunter> fwiw my local supermarket had SD cards that work with my pi
[4:12] <lins> Triffid_Hunter: what is a micro-b cable used for?
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[4:12] <Triffid_Hunter> lins: the pi has a micro-b socket for power input
[4:12] <Triffid_Hunter> it's also possible to feed 5v directly into the GPIO header which is what I'm doing at the moment
[4:13] <lins> ok, if I buy a 5V power supply, do I still need the micro-b cable?
[4:13] <Triffid_Hunter> lins: well sure, how do you intend to connect the supply to the pi? whether or not the supply (or the pi itself) comes with a micro-b cable depends on where you get it I suppose
[4:15] <Datalink> this feels either annoyingly lazy or annoyingly non-me on this... but would anyone be willing to throw together a very simple Linux image for my Pi to help me with video signal testing? I just need to show test images in sequence on powerup x.x with as little init spam as possible...
[4:16] <Gordio> Datalink, download Arch Linux :D
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[4:16] <Datalink> I'm volunteering on a community access TV station and actual boxes to generate test signals are outside the budget... I have a pi, I have a battery pack, so I figured it'd be a good tool to test an important video lead
[4:17] <Datalink> Gordio, kinda hoping to get help as I don't have the time to get this done by the time I'll need it
[4:17] <turtleJP> ok
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[4:22] <akk> My occidentalis SD card has 4Mb unallocated at the beginning, before the fat16 boot partition. Does that need to be there?
[4:23] <Datalink> akk, it won't harm things, a lot of discs have a bit of free space for cluster alignment
[4:23] <akk> I'm trying to make a backup copy -- do I need that unallocated space on the backup SD card?
[4:24] <Triffid_Hunter> akk: I'd copy the whole disk rather than individual partitions for backup. once you have verified that your backup works, you can experiment
[4:25] <Datalink> I'd suggest dding the device, rather tha it's partitions, the copy would automatically have the space as part of it, but the space is harmless and neither vital or dangerous
[4:25] <akk> OK, will do it that way. Though the space seems a bit wasteful.
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[4:25] <dr_willis> I see windows do it all the time on hard drivevs akk
[4:26] <dr_willis> sometimes even btween partitions
[4:27] <akk> "Windows does it" is not a compelling argument for something being either good or efficient. :)
[4:27] <Datalink> depending on the inode or cluster size it's possible it'd never be used, though the SD card shuffles where it writes to so that 4 megs could be anywhere on the physical medium
[4:28] <Datalink> it honestly won't be significant on a modern device
[4:28] <Datalink> if you had a 10 meg drive, then it'd matter
[4:28] <dr_willis> the good old days
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[4:39] <jya_> got access to my crashed Pi just a few minutes ago??? it didn't just die like I actually thought
[4:40] <jya_> just that the pl2303 kernel driver crashed, and so did the ethernet port
[4:41] <jya_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=265733#p265733
[4:41] <flufmnstr> hey yall. im working on gettting a pi setup as a DMX controler using a enttec open dmx usb dongle. i have ola installed and have gotten it to recognize the dongle, but when i fade the values up the light basically has a seizure like its getting random values. anyone familiar with RPis in this type of application have an idea whats going on?
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[4:59] <krabador> hi people, do the raspberry support usb hubs?
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[5:01] <Triffid_Hunter> krabador: of course, it has one onboard already
[5:02] <krabador> Triffid_Hunter, great, then usb ports are more than the 2 built in
[5:02] <Syliss> always, why wouldn't it support a hub?
[5:03] <krabador> Syliss, i supposed for power
[5:03] <Syliss> well you want a powered hub
[5:03] <Syliss> the output is crap on the pi
[5:04] <flufmnstr> hubs are (typicaly) self powered usb devices
[5:04] <Syliss> maybe 120-140mah
[5:05] <krabador> Syliss, and i can't solve it with a psu more powerful for the raspberry itself?
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[5:05] <Syliss> which pi do you have?
[5:05] <Syliss> i should ask, how long ago did you get it?
[5:06] <krabador> Syliss, i haven't one yet, i'm planning to buy the b
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[5:07] <hendmp> anyone have any success stories with high gain usb wifi dongles without powered hub, e.g. direct connect to pi
[5:08] <TAFB> yep, by soldering wires from F3 and D17 to the Pi power pins underneath ;)
[5:08] <TAFB> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/340/how-much-power-can-be-provided-through-usb
[5:09] <hendmp> great link, thanks
[5:10] <hendmp> was hoping to do without mod though
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[5:12] <Triffid_Hunter> hendmp: powered hub then
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[5:13] <dr_willis> Getting where its a little hard to find Powered Hubs at times.. or at least hard to find decent ones.
[5:13] <GabrialDestruir> I'm curious, would it be possible to setup a Pi to do streaming from steam? Like running Big Picture doing video games, etc?
[5:14] <dr_willis> Picked up a Decent one for $25 - seems solid enough
[5:14] <dr_willis> GabrialDestruir: the Pi dosent have the powar to run steam or any games I imagine.
[5:14] <dr_willis> and im pretty sure theres no arm based steam app
[5:14] <GabrialDestruir> I don't mean directly, I mean running it on a desktop and streaming everything to the pi
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[5:15] <Triffid_Hunter> GabrialDestruir: you'd need opengl support in X for that, and it would still be rather slow
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[5:15] <dr_willis> GabrialDestruir: vnc to the pi. or x forwarding over ssh. sould be slow i imagine for games. Perhaps video may be 'ok'
[5:16] <Triffid_Hunter> you'd want to stream the video in compressed form rather than trying to play over X forwarding
[5:16] <GabrialDestruir> Hmmm well dratz.
[5:16] <dr_willis> I got plenty of other vidoes. :) dont need steam for that
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[5:18] <dr_willis> Be nice if the wireless tools had a blacklist/filter feature. Im in a mid sized town and i must have 20+ wireless networks i can see from here
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[5:19] <dr_willis> anyone know offhand what '2wire##' is here in the usa? some sort of buiness wireless? there must be 10 of them i can see. seen them in other places also
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[5:20] <flufmnstr> i forget the ISP but they're usually wireless modem/routers given to the customer
[5:20] <flufmnstr> i know at least one of them is ATT
[5:21] <dr_willis> like for their att 3g->yourhome network lan thang..
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[5:21] <flufmnstr> no, just normal internet
[5:22] <flufmnstr> ive usually see them in person as 'internet/tv/telephone' type installs
[5:22] <dr_willis> that makes sence.. AT&T was suggesting i get one because the 3g/cell signals here are so bad.. but then they wanted like $$ for the device. and it would connect to my Comcast internet.. and they STILL would charge me from my Minuets plan.. even If i was using my own home internet.
[5:22] <dr_willis> unless i got some extra $20 feature that would make them be 'free' ;P
[5:23] <dr_willis> gotta love the isps trying to squeeze out every dime.
[5:23] <flufmnstr> oh, you mean one of those things that relays cell signel over your home internet
[5:24] <dr_willis> flufmnstr: yea. they were trying to sell me one the other day.. it would been like $200 for the device.. + extra every month to actually use it unlimited.
[5:24] <flufmnstr> lol
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[5:24] <flufmnstr> what if you offer to put a high gain antenna to provide for your neighbrohood?
[5:24] <flufmnstr> haha
[5:24] <dr_willis> on top of my internet bill :)
[5:25] <flufmnstr> youd have to make a deal where they pay for thier useage
[5:25] <dr_willis> gotta love how they sell you '4g' service.. when theres no 4g here.
[5:25] <flufmnstr> oh man, i live in the greater LA area. "covered in 4g" ...theres no 4g here.
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[5:26] <flufmnstr> ive used 4g about 10 times since ive gotten my phone
[5:26] <flufmnstr> usually only when in near a theme park
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[5:56] <Torikun> Yo
[6:00] <dr_willis> Moo!
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[6:05] <Torikun> What's going on
[6:05] <pronto> everything
[6:05] <Torikun> Ha
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[6:07] * Torikun needs another good use for pi
[6:07] <pronto> porn server :D
[6:08] <Torikun> He w to get content
[6:08] <Torikun> Lol
[6:08] <pronto> which one do you have?
[6:08] <pronto> i just ordered two the other day
[6:09] <Torikun> 2 256 and 2 512
[6:09] <Torikun> 3 are in cluster for linux-toys.com
[6:09] <Torikun> 1 is desktop for little kid
[6:10] <pronto> nice
[6:10] <Torikun> What will you do?
[6:11] <Torikun> Also used for email DNS and znc
[6:11] <pronto> one reason i got one is to create a solutoin to something for work, and if my boss likes it, the rasbpi will be able to replace dell r710 rack mount servers xD
[6:12] <Torikun> Pi has bad io though
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[6:13] <pronto> lets just say the current solution is about 100,000x over kill for what is needed
[6:13] <Torikun> Oh
[6:13] <pronto> yeah
[6:13] <dr_willis> Mine does a decent znc server. ;)
[6:13] <Torikun> Put it for better use?
[6:13] <pronto> indeed
[6:13] <Torikun> Cool dr
[6:13] <Torikun> Good uptime lol
[6:14] <pronto> and i might do that free colo place, if there US optoin opens up
[6:14] <Torikun> Huh?
[6:15] <pronto> http://www.edis.at/en/server/colocation/austria/raspberrypi/ appently they will colo a rasbpi for free
[6:15] <Torikun> Wow
[6:15] <Torikun> Takes the fun lol
[6:15] <pronto> but its in austira :/
[6:15] <Torikun> Good for a site though
[6:16] <pronto> one of my friends is working on a rasbperry pi attack platform
[6:16] <pronto> which should be pretty neat when it's done
[6:16] <Torikun> What is that
[6:16] <pronto> infomation-secuirty research and stuff , for pen-testing
[6:17] <Torikun> Nice
[6:17] <Torikun> What distro will you put on your pi
[6:17] <pronto> debain has a port right?
[6:17] <pronto> i'll probably just do that
[6:17] <Torikun> Raspian they call it
[6:18] <pronto> then i saw demo'd at a local hacker space one of those xbmc ones
[6:18] <pronto> they played a movie on it for a movie ngith thing
[6:18] <pronto> that was pretty neat
[6:18] <Torikun> Xmbc unstable
[6:18] <Torikun> Openelec more stable
[6:19] <pronto> from what i saw (didnt really watch the movie) it handles a 720p movie with zero issues
[6:19] <Torikun> When it works lol
[6:20] <dr_willis> Ive heard of some issues with 720p if you dont have a big enough powar supply
[6:20] <dr_willis> ive been using xbian mainly
[6:20] <Torikun> 5v or higher recommended?
[6:20] <dr_willis> its the Amps not the V. ;)
[6:20] <dr_willis> thats imporntant
[6:20] <Torikun> Ooh
[6:21] <Torikun> 1.5 a !
[6:21] <Torikun> ?
[6:21] <dr_willis> yesterday guy had issues with a 800mA power supply i think.. he went to a 1.2A and i think he said it worked
[6:21] <Torikun> Ok
[6:21] <pronto> urhg, i still need to get power supplies and SD cards
[6:21] <Torikun> Radio shack $20 for psu
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[6:22] <pronto> oh nice, i live really close to radio shack
[6:22] <Torikun> Amazon selling 8gb for under $2
[6:22] <Torikun> Amazon has great cases
[6:22] <Torikun> Like the one on my site
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[6:23] <dr_willis> I got a white pi case for $10 off amazon
[6:23] <pronto> anyways, i'm gonna sleep now,llater
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[6:28] <Torikun> I wish I could hjost jolicloud server on pi
[6:28] <Torikun> YesOs no longer in development
[6:28] <Torikun> Any other web OS out there?
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[6:41] <dr_willis> ChromeOS and Jolicloud are the only 2 i know of
[6:42] <Torikun> eyeOS is no longer free
[6:42] <Torikun> I used to use that
[6:42] <dr_willis> never heard of EyeOS
[6:42] <Torikun> Joli does not really have built-in apps
[6:42] <dr_willis> I use ChromeOS on top of my Ubuntu install.. sort of the best of both worlds. ;)
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[6:42] <Torikun> nice
[6:43] <dr_willis> I dident notice ChromeOS having built in apps either. But ive only toyed with it
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[6:44] <dr_willis> Mr Fancy Pants Adventure. ;)
[6:44] <Torikun> lol
[6:47] <Torikun> Joli is mostly just links
[6:47] <Torikun> except for dropbox and some apps
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[6:52] <jimboy> is sound working for ics yet on the pi?
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[6:52] <Torikun> android jimboy?
[6:53] <jimboy> yes
[6:55] <Torikun> owncloud has a web vnc client
[6:55] <Torikun> very cool
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[7:01] <wolgoner> Does anyone know of a platform that has a similar formfactor as raspberry pi but with more network interfaces but not soerkeris routerboard?
[7:03] <Torikun> wolgoner: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/
[7:03] <Torikun> They site has a few on the main page
[7:04] <wolgoner> ahh never heard of that until now!
[7:04] <wolgoner> sweet!
[7:04] <wolgoner> Torikun: thanks a million
[7:04] <Torikun> np I hope it helps
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[7:42] <Torikun> own cloud is the hardest thing to install
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[7:52] <shiftplusone> O_o
[7:52] <shiftplusone> the way I remember it, it was just a matter of extracting the archive
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[8:49] <rymate1234> Anyone know a good editor for python?
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[8:50] <ParkerR> rymate1234, Really anything with syntax highlighting
[8:50] <ParkerR> nano, vim
[8:51] <rymate1234> Ok
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[8:56] <Gordio> VIM
[8:56] <Gordio> ParkerR++;
[8:57] <Gordio> rymate1234, git clone code.gordio.pp.ua/vimrc
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[8:57] <shiftplusone> For X11, I'd go with geany.
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[8:57] <TAFB> woot! Got wowza compiled on my Pi!!! :)
[8:58] <Gordio> Search Jedy-vim :D
[8:58] <TAFB> Can someone test my stream, needs about 1mbps to play :) http://mayer.click2stream.com/
[8:58] <TAFB> a little studdery... hmmm
[8:58] <rikkib> apt-get install mc
[8:59] <rikkib> config options use internal editor
[8:59] <rikkib> The best quick editor around
[9:00] <rikkib> File manager
[9:00] <rikkib> View gzip files deb files etc etc
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[9:06] <Gordio> rymate1234, vim can EDIT file.gz :P
[9:06] <Gordio> And after save - pack edited file back :P
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[9:31] <sedulous> VIM also can edit .gz
[9:31] <shiftplusone> Also, I hear vim can edit file.gz.
[9:31] <sedulous> but not .bzip2
[9:32] <sedulous> wait, yes it can do that too
[9:32] <sedulous> the only thing mc is lacking is a transfer queue
[9:32] <sedulous> so you could continue with your work while it's copying something in the background
[9:32] <rikkib> haha
[9:33] <sedulous> most FTP programs can do that. i don't understand why many normal file managers can't
[9:33] <rymate1234> hey
[9:34] <rymate1234> where do the pistore apps get stored?
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[9:38] <dr_willis> stored? you mean the local cache??
[9:39] <dr_willis> they are all .deb packages arent they? if so it would be /var/cache/apt i think
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[9:41] <shiftplusone> nope
[9:44] <rikkib> /var/cache/apt/archive
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[9:46] <dr_willis> be carefull with files in there. ;) ive seen bad things happen if you delete some of the data files
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[9:47] <enthusi> 'apt-cache clean' is save
[9:48] <enthusi> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/apt/apt-get?redirect=no
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[9:52] <xzr> cool panzerwagen bratwurst in meine lederhosen schwin
[9:52] <xzr> schwein
[9:52] <shiftplusone> that store just runs an install script provided by the dev
[9:52] <shiftplusone> I've seen them install things into your home directory somewhere
[9:53] <rymate1234> Lol
[9:53] <rymate1234> I found what I was looking for
[9:54] <rymate1234> Now I can play openttd at a terrible framerate in hd!
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[9:56] <rymate1234> (Without the overhead of sort)
[9:56] <rymate1234> *Xorg
[9:56] <shiftplusone> yay
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[9:57] <rymate1234> Afk breakfast
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[10:03] <yaayaa> hi all. Using archlinux + xfce on my pi, I got something weird: omxplayer works only once. I use 256M for graphics. The second time I launch it, the console disappears, no error message in the log.
[10:03] <shiftplusone> FFFFFFinally https://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/pandora.jpg
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[10:07] <yaayaa> any idea/problem with omxplayer ?
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[10:08] <ech0s7> hi all
[10:08] <Eartaker> =]
[10:08] <sedulous> handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma "reason for halting is unknown" :(
[10:08] <ech0s7> how can i copy disk image from sd of 8GB to sd of 4GB ?
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[10:09] <Eartaker> ech0s7: you will have to resife the partition of the 8gb to 4gb befor you can transfer it to the 4gb frive
[10:09] <Eartaker> resize
[10:09] <dr_willis> ;)
[10:09] <ech0s7> Eartaker: how ?
[10:09] <dr_willis> can filezilla do that? or else resize first with gparted
[10:10] <ech0s7> Eartaker: and I can do it from my unix machine (not from raspberry)?
[10:10] <dr_willis> sort of hard to resize a FS thats in use.
[10:10] <Eartaker> ech0s7: just google " raspberry pi resize partition" and it will be the top links... im in a cli client or I would give you a link
[10:11] <shiftplusone> Eartaker, those instructions are all to resize to a larger size
[10:11] <Eartaker> dr_willis: yes but you can set it up so it will do it on the next reboot
[10:11] <shiftplusone> if he follows those instructions he will lose his data.
[10:11] <dr_willis> yea - that was a neat trick i saw someof the pi disrtos did
[10:11] <Eartaker> ech0s7: do you have over 4gb of data on your partition?
[10:12] <ech0s7> no Eartaker
[10:12] <ech0s7> i have 6gb of freespace
[10:12] <shiftplusone> doesn't matter if he does, it's not all stored together (it might be, but it might not be)
[10:12] <shiftplusone> Use gparted.
[10:12] <shiftplusone> or forget the disk image and copy the files directly.
[10:13] <Eartaker> thats an option
[10:13] <ech0s7> shiftplusone: you're telling me to copy files with cp (preserving permission) on my pc and after recopy on another SD ?
[10:14] <ech0s7> and for boot partition ?
[10:14] <shiftplusone> ech0s7, I'd copy with rsync -av , but yes. You'll need to do it as root to make sure file ownership is preserved properly
[10:15] <Eartaker> does the pi use ext3?
[10:15] <Tachyon`> 2, 3, 4
[10:16] <Tachyon`> up to yuo
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[10:16] <Eartaker> ahh
[10:16] <Eartaker> http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions
[10:16] <sedulous> is there a patch for the USB issues in dwc_otg yet? i'm getting hard crashes (or rather an infinite loop in the kernel) with my USB-serial converter
[10:16] <shiftplusone> the pi doesn't 'use' anything in specific, you can format it any way you want as long as your kernel lives on the fat32 partition and supports whatever partition you want to use.
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[10:16] <sedulous> (latest 3.6.11+. everything updated with rpi-update)
[10:17] <Tachyon`> ah, new kernel numbering
[10:18] <Tachyon`> at one point I could make sense of those, lol
[10:18] <ech0s7> shiftplusone: and for boot partition ??
[10:18] <shiftplusone> ech0s7, those you can just cp across, there's nothing fancy there.
[10:19] <ech0s7> ok thanks shiftplusone, i'm doing in this way
[10:19] <shiftplusone> np, it's how I would do it too.
[10:26] <politie> good morning folks, quick question. i read on some places that class 6 or 4 is better and likely to work than class 10 sd cards. is this still true?
[10:27] <companion> how come the Pi is so slow with SAMBA?
[10:27] <companion> a bottleneck in the SD card? o.0
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[10:31] <wsmsg> Does the PI have enough juice to power a WD passport drive? (power+data over usb on that one, only one cable)
[10:31] <shiftplusone> politie, I don't know if that's theoretical or actually true. My class 10 cards always worked fine. You can double check the verified peripherals list.
[10:32] <shiftplusone> wsmsg, probably not.
[10:32] <mjr> certainly not
[10:32] <rymate1234> politie: I have a class 10 sd
[10:32] <rymate1234> It works in my pi
[10:33] <wsmsg> shiftplusone: damnit.. was hoping to build a small backup out of the house box and place it at my parents house :]
[10:33] <shiftplusone> wsmsg, should work with a powered hub.
[10:33] <wsmsg> ah, is that the workaround people commonly use?
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[10:34] <shiftplusone> yup, but that can introduce other problems (dropped packets and such-like).
[10:34] <goldilocks> Anyone know what the latest kernel version in raspbian is?
[10:34] <nid0> politie: the only really widespread issues with class10 cards were when the pi was very new, within the first couple of months
[10:35] <nid0> a firmware update corrected the main problem causing class10 incompatibilities, and since that time most have worked perfectly fine
[10:35] <wsmsg> shiftplusone: hmm, thanks for the tip.. guess ill be using the pi for something else :)
[10:35] <wsmsg> a usb drive with external psu should be perfectly fine tho?
[10:36] <neilr> wsmsg: Yes
[10:36] <neilr> I use an external WD drive
[10:36] <knoppies> wsmsg, if your WD passport has 2 USB plugs on it, plug one into the Pi and the other into a powered HUB (the hub should just have to be plugged into power, and not necessarily a computer.)
[10:36] <booyaa> goldilocks: nux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19 :03:02 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[10:36] <knoppies> wsmsg, or just use a powered drive.
[10:37] <booyaa> did a dist upgrade only a few bights ago
[10:37] <wsmsg> My passport only has 1 usb cable :) ill try to pick up a small cheap one with external PSU
[10:37] <wsmsg> thanks a lot guys :)
[10:38] <goldilocks> Thx booyaa
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[10:45] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[10:45] <wsmsg> Wonder if its even possible to buy drives with external psu these days :]
[10:46] <booyaa> ning gordonDrogon
[10:46] <booyaa> wsmsg: why not buy an external drive kit?
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> I think my min/max thermometer is a bit wonky. it's shown -18C outside...
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[10:46] <wsmsg> booyaa: you know, or that :-)
[10:46] <booyaa> youll definitely get a psu
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> currently +2.8C.
[10:47] <wsmsg> But the PI is capable of transfering the data over USB reliable?
[10:47] <wsmsg> meaning, i shouldnt expect corrupt data elns?
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> you'll get errors if there is corruption.
[10:47] <neilr> wsmsg: if not, you can get a small adaptor from ebay for a few pounds/euros/dollars/shekels/whatever. I use one of these with an old SATA drive on my 'other' pi
[10:48] <wsmsg> neilr: and you have no problem with corrupt data etc as long as you use an external psu i assume?
[10:48] <neilr> correct
[10:48] <wsmsg> Supercool
[10:48] <wsmsg> Thanks a lot... again :)
[10:48] <neilr> for reference - the WD unit with built in PSU is hanging off a raspbian pi
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[10:48] <neilr> the other one is RISC OS
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[10:50] <politie> allright, thanks shiftplusone, rymate1234 and nid0
[10:51] <politie> i get timeout waiting on hardware interupt on boot
[10:51] <politie> with my class 10 kingston card
[10:53] <Tachyon`> 8 years and no new star trek, this is not a good situation -.-
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[10:54] <dr_willis> Just wait for disney to flood us with annoying starwars marketing-shows...
[10:54] <dr_willis> ;)
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, there was a new star trek last year, wasn't there?
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> and another this year IIRC.
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> reminds me to bump getting the complere Babylon 5 up the "want" list a little..
[10:58] <brady2600> anyone use x11 vnc server here?
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[10:59] <brady2600> im on ubuntu, im using vncviewer.. but i can't help but wonder if there is a better client for viewing x11vnc
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[11:00] <dr_willis> theres several vnc viewer clients..but ive never really noticed any being that much better then others
[11:00] <dr_willis> what new star treks? ive not been paying attention to tv. ;)
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[11:01] <brady2600> there was a star trek movie
[11:01] <brady2600> there is another one coming i believe aswell
[11:01] <brady2600> i think the new kirk did a good job with his ahhh.., kirkyness
[11:02] <sedulous> well i'm out of luck. the only way i could figure out to avoid the USB crashes is with dwc_otg.speed=1 which makes most of my devices unusable because they require USB 2
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[11:03] <brady2600> what do you mean by usb crashes?
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[11:05] <sedulous> brady2600: infinite loop in the dwc_otg driver, handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma "reason for halting is unknown"
[11:05] <brady2600> raspbian?
[11:06] <sedulous> yes, both with the stock kernel/firwmare and the latest rpi-update
[11:06] <brady2600> usb stick?
[11:06] <sedulous> i found similar reports from people with different USB serial converters
[11:06] <brady2600> are you booting on a usb stick? usb hard drive?
[11:06] <sedulous> io_ti usb-serial
[11:06] <sedulous> no
[11:07] <sedulous> only 1 powered hub is connected to the USB port
[11:07] <sedulous> booting off a 16 GB SDHC
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[11:07] <brady2600> humm.
[11:07] <brady2600> have you tried an alternate usb hub?
[11:08] <sedulous> the hub works fine on other machines
[11:08] <sedulous> not everything is a power issue
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[11:09] <sedulous> similar problems in this thread: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=16280
[11:09] <brady2600> i wasn't assuming power or anything, i was just duducing via occams razer
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> they "rebooted" Start Trek with a new kirk...
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[11:10] <brady2600> yeah i was quite surprised to have enjoyed it a good deal
[11:10] <sedulous> pretty much this: "Managed to get repeatable crashes with
[11:10] <sedulous> stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 && stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 && ...."
[11:10] <brady2600> im looking forward to the next
[11:11] <shiftplusone> God, windows' default settings are stupid. "So you've plugged in a flash drive... I am going to lower your volume now."
[11:11] <brady2600> im going to assume you don't have another hub to try it with?
[11:11] <sedulous> i have, brady2600
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[11:11] <brady2600> ineffective aswell?
[11:12] <sedulous> sadly yes
[11:12] <sedulous> i believe it's an actual bug in dwc_otg
[11:13] <sedulous> considering others with different hubs and setups get the same problem
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> not had any issues with usb serial ports I've used on the Pi - admittedly not many though.
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[11:13] <gordonDrogon> mostly Arduinos - 2009's and Uno. (different usb serial adapters)
[11:13] <sedulous> the port itself works fine. the crash occurs when disconnecting and reconnecting repeatedly
[11:13] <sedulous> it works for hours as long as you don't disconnect (in software)
[11:14] <brady2600> my raspberry pi talks to my arduino via serial over usb , although ive not utilized a hub quite yet.
[11:14] <sedulous> after 3-4 disconnects, the dwc_otg driver enters an infinite loop
[11:14] <sedulous> it's been observed with 3 usb-serial converters: PL2302, FT232, io_ti
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[11:16] <brady2600> sorry sedulous, that looks like a frustrating issue
[11:16] <sedulous> thanks for the condolences :)
[11:16] <sedulous> i'll use a normal PC instead of my RPi in the meantime
[11:17] <brady2600> i would suggest you periodically come back here and ask, ive had problems that ive had to ask here a number of times before i found leads to follow
[11:17] <sedulous> i will try a 3rd hub and another PSU to be sure that it's not the cause
[11:17] <sedulous> but i suspect it's software
[11:17] <brady2600> is this a powered hub?
[11:17] <sedulous> yes
[11:18] <sedulous> D-Link DUB-H7 (rev. 2)
[11:18] <brady2600> have you checked the amperages and such, idk if there is limitations on that
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[11:19] <sedulous> not yet
[11:19] <brady2600> im honestly not sure about powered hubs and amperages, if it even matters.
[11:22] <bitethecoin> What usages does a Raspberry pi have?
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[11:22] <brady2600> home automation
[11:22] <brady2600> pid controller
[11:22] <brady2600> tiny web server
[11:23] <bitethecoin> webserver is probably the most useful one :)
[11:23] <brady2600> media center
[11:23] <bitethecoin> "Hey, I have a webserver in my cigarette box, do you want ot take a look?"
[11:23] <brady2600> im building an environmental controller
[11:23] <brady2600> which uses a web server
[11:24] <brady2600> so you can log in, and control devises over the internet
[11:24] <brady2600> i perfer to use , a raspberry pi, and use that to control an arduino
[11:24] <bitethecoin> That is a neat thing =)
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[11:25] <brady2600> you can set up the raspberry pi to be remote accessed
[11:25] <brady2600> via vnc , or ssh or however
[11:25] <brady2600> so i can remotely access the pi, and use that to upload new code to the arduino
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[11:25] <brady2600> the arduino is hooked to a variety of relays, and sensors
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[11:26] <brady2600> so you can write c++ code for the arduino, and have that control your devises, and have the raspberry pi send commands to the arduino via serial , make a web app to host , and port it for android , and you can do some really cool home automation stuff
[11:27] <bitethecoin> Sadly, the cost of one of the pi's is like $100 in my country.
[11:27] <brady2600> well hopefully it will not be like that for too long
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[11:28] <bitethecoin> It will in Norway :P
[11:28] <Laban> bitethecoin: Because of local tax and shipping?
[11:28] <Laban> Ohh.. And customs ;D
[11:28] <bitethecoin> because they wont sell it directly.
[11:28] <Laban> Depending on your location, have it sent to sweden and drive over the border yourself :p
[11:29] <bitethecoin> Reseller = tax + shipping + customs + extra for profit. See it will never go much down =)
[11:29] <bitethecoin> Sweden is possible.
[11:29] <mervaka> brady2600: or get an stm32 and do it all in one board :p
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[11:30] <mervaka> though i guess an A8 or something would be better again
[11:30] <Laban> I'm probably driving to some amusement park in NO this summer, I can bring a Pi for you =)
[11:31] <bitethecoin> Hmm.
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[11:33] <brady2600> the reason i use both the arduino, and the pi, is that i consider the arduino to be more mission critical, that i can depend it will have a clock like regularity
[11:33] <brady2600> i could do it all with the gpio's on the pi, but the pi can crash
[11:33] <brady2600> and if the pi crashes, then something might not happen at the right time, and that could have a spoiling effect
[11:34] <bitethecoin> True :)
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[11:36] <brady2600> whereas, i assume if my code compiles right on arduino and its not faulty , then i can reasonably expect that things will happen at the right moments, so long as i have things syncing to a RTC occasionally.. my pi crashes from time to time, but my arduino doesn't.. i don't see one as being bettter than the other, but for their own strengths
[11:38] <bitethecoin> does pi crash?! Do you know why?
[11:39] <brady2600> it crashes cause i do something dumb. lol.
[11:39] <mervaka> crash or not, it's not deterministic.
[11:39] <mervaka> does it need to be?
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[11:40] <brady2600> i was just trying to say comparatively , a pi would crash more than an microcontroller, as there are fewer things to go wrong.
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[11:43] <mervaka> oh yeah
[11:43] <mervaka> but then it's not hard to make a micro crash, either.
[11:44] <mervaka> while(1);
[11:44] <mervaka> only an interrupt can pull it out from there.
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[11:49] <tero> hi all
[11:49] <tero> anyone knows if there is possible to run skype somehow?
[11:49] <tero> on rpi?
[11:50] <mjr> it is not
[11:50] <xzr> it does sound highly unlikely
[11:50] <mjr> skype is fully proprietary (and actively hinders those trying to achieve compatibility), they'd have to port it
[11:51] <brady2600> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqH54GyRdys
[11:52] <mjr> I stand corrected
[11:52] <brady2600> apparently it uses skypekit
[11:53] <wsmsg> Question update; will a 64gb mem stick run fine of the RPI or does it require too much power? im thinking straight of a USB port
[11:53] <mjr> wsmsg, a memory stick will probably work
[11:54] <neilr> wsmsg: That should be OK. A pal of mine is running his pi as a headless media server with two 64Gb USB memory sticks
[11:54] <mjr> they're not particularly power hungry
[11:54] <wsmsg> cool
[11:54] <wsmsg> i have a sdcard for the system, and 64gb for storage then
[11:54] <mjr> unless perhaps you'd be going for some high performance ssd-like hunk of a stick, possibly ;)
[11:55] <brady2600> yeah, i imagine to mess up the power requirements, it would have to be something unusual
[11:55] <wsmsg> mjr: going for a cheap ass transcend 64gb :)
[11:56] <mjr> yeah, _probably_ not a problem but can't make promises, you know...
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[11:57] <wsmsg> Worst case ill end up buying a hub with power
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[11:57] <gordonDrogon> brady2600, Linux can be exceptionally stable - I have Linux boxes with uptimes over 1000 days for example, but any code can crash :)
[12:00] <brady2600> yes, i just feel i can write a program clean enough for a arduino that is very unlikely to crash, where as i might induce my linux system to have a problem at any moment. im sure linux can be operated to be very stable, however im personally just more likely to f up my pi than my arduino, i use both - but when its mission critical, i have the arduino handle it.
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[12:02] <gordonDrogon> I use both too.
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[12:02] <gordonDrogon> with my own long-term linux projects I make the effort to cut them down to the bare minimum though, that can take time.
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> (as in cut the distribution down - remove unused modules, often compile a custom kernel and so on)
[12:04] <mjr> aiui there's still some iffyness about the pi's usb drivers and so on also(?) contributing possibly towards instability
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> don't use them then :)
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[12:09] <gordonDrogon> usb is a bit of a grey area on the Pi though )-:
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> have to say though, for the stuff I'm doing I've found them remarkably stable now - once I'd ironed out the issues to do with overclocking.
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> ie. don't overclock = very stable Pi!
[12:12] <mjr> Good that it can be so. Haven't really run mine for extended periods.
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[12:13] <gordonDrogon> I don't have anything more than a keyboard or Arduino off the USB though.
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> I just can't be bothered faffin sbout with usb datakeys, drives, and who knows what else.
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[12:42] <bitethecoin> is 64 gb SD card too much for pi?
[12:43] <mjr> there was some 64 gb card that was claimed to work in the lists. I have no personal experience.
[12:44] <mjr> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
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[12:45] <mjr> several reported to work these days actually
[12:46] <companion> I want to OC my RPI to 800MHz to avoid stuttering within movies trough XBMC, do I need to change any thing else then the clock?
[12:46] <companion> bitethecoin, I got my 64GB SD card working tho my brand is: Lexar
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[12:47] <companion> you do need to upgrade to latest FW for that trough rpi-update
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[12:48] <djazz> companion: just edit the /boot/config.txt file to overclock
[12:48] <djazz> or use raspi-config
[12:48] <djazz> ah, in xbmc.. then the config
[12:48] <companion> djazz, would it require me to overvolt it at 800MHz?
[12:49] <djazz> nah
[12:49] <companion> djazz, aight
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[12:50] <djazz> companion: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[12:50] <rymate1234> Hmmm
[12:50] <rymate1234> Could I virtualise windows on a raspberry pi? (Lol)
[12:50] <mjr> you could, extremely slowly
[12:51] <companion> rymate1234, windows 8 runs quite smooth tho
[12:51] <rymate1234> Lol
[12:51] <mjr> somebody did that with bochs and some old version of windows at some point
[12:51] <mjr> (bochs is an x86 PC emulator)
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[12:52] <rymate1234> companion: What do you mean windows 8 runs smoothly
[12:52] <companion> rymate1234, windows 8 can run on an old HTC Desire
[12:52] <companion> quite smoothly tho
[12:52] <companion> RPI has about 10 times its power :p
[12:52] <rymate1234> Huh
[12:53] <rymate1234> Yeah, but the raspberry pi doesn't have hardware grx acceleration
[12:53] <Zarek_> i somehow doubt that a lot
[12:53] <rymate1234> Yet
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[12:53] <companion> rymate1234, RPI has hardware acceleration
[12:54] <rymate1234> Not in Xorg
[12:54] <companion> rymate1234, depends on your conig ;P
[12:54] <rymate1234> Or other non gles applications
[12:54] <Weaselweb> btw: windows for x86 or windows for arm?
[12:54] <companion> Weaselweb, windows 8 has an ARM version ^-^
[12:54] <rymate1234> Weaselweb: Windows x86 in a virtual machine
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[12:54] <Weaselweb> companion: that's why i was asking
[12:55] <rymate1234> companion: And would someone have ported it?
[12:55] <Weaselweb> rymate1234: you can't virtualize, you can just emulate
[12:55] <rymate1234> Ok, emulation then
[12:55] <companion> Weaselweb, Windows 8 has an ARM version you can simply rip off a tabled or XDA Developers. I managed to get it running on my previous Pi which got destroyed by 1 drunk 1 hammer
[12:56] <rymate1234> Cool!
[12:56] <rymate1234> companion: How well did it run?
[12:56] <companion> there was some guid some were :)
[12:56] <companion> guide*
[12:57] <nid0> i'd be curious to know how you got that working, as there are several huge hurdles in the way
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[12:57] <companion> nid0, allot of messing arround on google
[12:57] <companion> eventually found it some were tho ;p
[12:58] <rymate1234> So compa m
[12:58] <rymate1234> So companion
[12:58] <companion> rymate1234, yes?
[12:59] <rymate1234> Hw did you convert the raspberry pi's armv6 chip to the armv7 that windows 8 requires
[12:59] <companion> From my memory I ran it basically of my tablet tho ^-^
[12:59] <nid0> yes, thats one of those hurdles im confused on
[12:59] <nid0> ah
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[12:59] <mdik> tero: concerning voip or similar: jitsi is an opensource voip thing: https://jitsi.org/
[12:59] <nid0> so in other words you didnt install or run win rt on your pi, you just remote desktopped from your pi to your tablet
[12:59] <rymate1234> Lmao
[12:59] <mdik> tero: it is not in the repositories (yet), but fully open source, so it should be able to be compiled for ARM aswell
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[13:02] <rymate1234> Huh
[13:02] <rymate1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aoftq1x3G10
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[13:15] <Jupp3> Regarding this useless "Windows-on-rpi" discussion, Was there arm version of older Windows NT?
[13:15] <Jupp3> You know, back then when there was also PowerPC version
[13:16] <mjr> I don't think so
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[13:24] <rymate1234> What about windows CE?
[13:24] <rymate1234> lol
[13:25] <andoma> Windows NT 3.51 ran on x86, Alpha, MIPS and PowerPC IIRC
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[13:36] <Gadget-Mac> Anyone know if there's a dimensional drawing of the latest revision Pi available ?
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[13:39] <Davespice> check out this idiot folks; https://twitter.com/AngryExile/status/292770155103145984
[13:40] <Davespice> I wag my finger in dissaproval.
[13:40] <azk> ol
[13:41] <azk> lol*
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[13:46] <gordonDrogon> right. been out, bought a bag of beach pebbles masquerading as anthracite and managed to set fire to them..
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[13:49] <steve_rox> spare backup pc just died what joy
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[13:53] <steve_rox> well thats it , ive ran out of pc's
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[13:54] <GabrialDestruir> So let's say I trashed my sudoers file and I'm not running root.... anyway to fix it short of pulling the sdcard and using another computer?
[13:55] <xtr3m3> its what i would do
[13:55] <Dagger2> `su -` to get a root shell and edit /etc/sudoers
[13:55] <Dagger2> or just login as root directly
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[13:55] <GabrialDestruir> didn't set a root password before screwing with it =\
[13:56] <GabrialDestruir> Guess I'll have to pull it... lol
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[14:02] <chithead> you can edit /etc/shadow and set a new root password, generated by openssl passwd -1
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[14:04] <Weaselweb> chithead: editing /etc/shadow witout root access? i doubt that ;-)
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[14:07] <Macer> ugh
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[14:07] <Macer> still waiting on my 32GB SD and case for my pi :-/
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[14:18] <paraita> hi
[14:18] <paraita> does anyone tried setting up an AP with a pi ?
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[14:20] <steve_rox> i wanted to do that but dident get around to it
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[14:22] <paraita> i've tried hostapd but it's really hard to find a good wifi dongle that can run in master mode
[14:22] <steve_rox> can them edimax ones do it?
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[14:23] <pecorade> Hi.
[14:24] <steve_rox> hello
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[14:33] <paraita> steve_rox: depends on the model i guess
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[14:38] <paraita> i've read this one is supported in hostapd - http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=Ralink%205370&_sop=7
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[14:45] <flufmnstr> woot! finally got my pi outputing DMX wiht ola!
[14:45] * flufmnstr is a happy fluf
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[15:03] <rymate1234> hi guys
[15:03] <rymate1234> trying to embrace the tty
[15:03] <rymate1234> I'd like to know a couple things
[15:03] <rymate1234> 1. anyone know a good default vim config?
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[15:04] <rymate1234> 2. hao do I disable using alt+arrow to change tty
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[15:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> damn there goes atari .....
[15:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> [again]
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[15:10] <vipkilla> where can i buy the raspberrypi? I'm in US
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[15:11] <arcanescu> vipkilla: try sparkfun?
[15:12] <vipkilla> how come it's not $25 anywhere?
[15:12] <atouk> or newark.com
[15:13] <arcanescu> cuz 25$ is a myth... add import overheads it goes above 25
[15:13] <atouk> model a is 25, model b is 35
[15:13] <atouk> model a is "less available"
[15:13] <arcanescu> atouk: is newark selling it at 25 35?
[15:13] <rymate1234> vipkilla: there's two versions of the raspberry pi. the one currently avaliable is $35. There is a cheaper $25 one in the works, but that'll lack ethernet and one usb slot afaik
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[15:13] <vipkilla> what's the model to buy?
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[15:14] <arcanescu> vipkilla: it depends what you want to do with it
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[15:14] <atouk> model b on the upside, model b memory was changed from 256m, to 512m
[15:14] <kvarley> Has anybody got 1080p video streaming via ethernet to a raspberrypi via openelec? Is it also possible to relay remote control commands via ethernet at the same time as playing video?
[15:14] <arcanescu> vipkilla: if you want to show ur freinds look i have a rpi and dont intend on doing anything model a
[15:14] <arcanescu> otherwise model b
[15:15] <mervaka> hmm
[15:15] <mervaka> C question:
[15:15] <arcanescu> kvarley: that would imply the h264 encovder to work atm for all i know the openmax is broken
[15:15] <linuxstb> arcanescu: You're saying there is no use for the Model A? ;)
[15:15] <vipkilla> i want the model w/ the 512M
[15:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> just buy a model b from http://www.farnell.com/raspberrypi/
[15:16] <vipkilla> arcanescu: i want to use it to watch netflix
[15:16] <mjr> vipkilla, so, B
[15:16] <arcanescu> linuxstb: not specifically but so my limited knowledge says
[15:16] <vipkilla> and maybe install Freeswitch on it
[15:16] <mervaka> i have an array of struct, and a pointer to said struct. i'm having odd pointer results when pointing to elements in the array..
[15:16] <vipkilla> for voip calls
[15:16] <mjr> A's memory was also bumped from the original plan of 128, but only to 256M
[15:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> dnno if netflix will work
[15:16] <arcanescu> vipkilla: model b
[15:16] <mervaka> ptr = &Array[element], right?
[15:16] <vipkilla> it can support a desktop, no?
[15:16] <mervaka> then ptr->record
[15:17] <rawsted> just prepped/booted the 2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian image and i'm getting 'Login incorrect' using all combinations of pi // raspberry, root // hexxeh, root // raspbian - i've confirmed that my keyboard layout is correct already. any other ideas? i'm using a 4.9V 0.85A charger for a Kindle DX and a Transcend TS16GSDHC10E card
[15:17] <libc> mervaka: yes, maybe you're not initializing something right
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[15:17] <mjr> vipkilla, it can support a basic desktop, though you'll find that eg. heavy websites are a bit of a chore already
[15:18] <mervaka> libc: it's a global static
[15:18] <vipkilla> meh maybe i should just hold out until a better device comes along
[15:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> rawsted it is rp / raspberry - try via ssh
[15:18] <linuxstb> mervaka: How is the array defined? Does gcc give any warnings?
[15:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> pi / raspberry *
[15:18] <mjr> vipkilla, sounds like
[15:18] <mervaka> linuxstb: target isn't an rpi ;/
[15:18] * RaTTuS|BIG goes for more coffee
[15:18] <libc> mervaka: but you still have to initialize the values of the struct to something, what type is record?
[15:18] <rawsted> RaTTuS|BIG: no dice
[15:19] <mervaka> libc: uint8_t
[15:19] <arcanescu> mervaka: init the struct to something plz
[15:19] <otak> rymate1234: good choice ;) I always use 'set background=dark' and 'syntax enable'
[15:19] <arcanescu> mervaka: #C for more
[15:19] <mervaka> kk
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[15:22] <rawsted> anyone else know why this might not be working? as much as you probably don't believe me, i'm typing the credentials in correctly :)
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[15:22] <IT_Sean> Are you typing the credentials correctly?
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[15:23] <rawsted> =\
[15:23] <linuxstb> rawsted: In lower-case?
[15:24] <rawsted> linuxstb: yessir
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[15:24] <rawsted> what should the hostname of this image be?
[15:24] <linuxstb> Ah yes, good point. You're probably not accessing your Pi ;)
[15:24] <linuxstb> Ah, you're not using ssh?
[15:25] <rawsted> linuxstb: no no, i've tried login in at console and via ssh, i was just trying to confirm that the image that's on here is the one that i/we think it is
[15:25] <rawsted> at the login prompt, it says raspberrypi
[15:25] <linuxstb> Yes, that sounds right for Raspbian.
[15:25] <linuxstb> And does it display the IP address just before the login prompt?
[15:26] <rawsted> yep
[15:26] <Jupp3> mjr: At least ARM is listed in "supported platforms" for Windows NT
[15:26] <Jupp3> Of course this doesn't mean it would "just work" with rpi.
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[15:27] <Jupp3> And of course, in only some older versions (of course the last version of NT is rather old already too)
[15:30] <linuxstb> Jupp3: NT 6.2 (aka Windows 8) is quite new, and IIUC is the first version of NT to support ARM.
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[15:31] <Jupp3> Well, obviously talking of versions that are clearly labeled NT :)
[15:31] <Jupp3> Rather than "based on NT"
[15:32] <linuxstb> If we're talking versions labelled NT, then no, they didn't support ARM.
[15:33] <rymate1234> Gy
[15:33] <rymate1234> Guys
[15:33] <rymate1234> how do I launch tmux on a raspberry pi
[15:33] <rymate1234> I type tmux in a tty
[15:33] <rymate1234> and it crashes
[15:33] <rymate1234> :(
[15:33] <rymate1234> well, it hangs
[15:33] <jacekowski> gdb
[15:34] <Jupp3> linuxstb: Well, true. I guess I was thinking of MIPS
[15:34] <rymate1234> and I can only kill it by opening another tty and running killall tmux
[15:34] <Jupp3> And longer look at the wikipedia article pointed out it also includes win8 :)
[15:34] <rymate1234> curiously, tmux works if I run it in screen
[15:34] <IT_Sean> Jupp3: The Pi is not going to run windows.
[15:35] <rymate1234> Windows 8 = ARMv7
[15:35] <Jupp3> IT_Sean: I know
[15:35] <rymate1234> Raspberry PI = ARMv6
[15:36] <jacekowski> there was a port of NT to arm
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[15:36] <jacekowski> but it was abandoned
[15:36] <Jupp3> IT_Sean: There was just some earlier claim (which turned out to be remote desktop), followed by "But Win8 supports ARM!", and it was pointed out it required newer model, I THOUGHT that early NT versions supported ARM too (and would thus be "least unlikely to work"), but was wrong
[15:36] <Jupp3> Not that I would ever want to run windows :)
[15:37] * IT_Sean nods
[15:37] <Jupp3> jacekowski: Before release?
[15:37] <Jupp3> Note how I excluded "on arm / rpi" :)
[15:37] <rymate1234> brb moving irssi into my tmux
[15:37] <IT_Sean> I hate to burst your bubble, but... Windows. Raspi. Pick one.
[15:37] <kvarley> Can the pi play 1080p video over the network?
[15:38] <Jupp3> IT_Sean: ReactOS!1!1 :P
[15:38] <vipkilla> does the pi need a specific linux kernel?
[15:38] <vipkilla> or will it run most any?
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[15:40] <Jupp3> What I mean is... IF old NT versions did support ARM, they might have been easier to hack to run on RPI than newer versions (still "not that far from impossible"), but still totally pointless. The OS would be totally outdated, and only run old Windows ARM binaries (the world must be full of those!)
[15:40] <Jupp3> vipkilla: Well, at least CPU architecture should be correct :)
[15:41] <vipkilla> what's the best linux distro for the pi
[15:41] <gordonDrogon> vipkilla, it will run any kernel that you port the required patches into.
[15:41] <vipkilla> which kernel version has support built-in (without patches)?
[15:41] <gordonDrogon> vipkilla, Raspbian. But Arch users will tell you Arch, Gentoo users will tell you Gentoo.
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[15:42] <gordonDrogon> vipkilla, the one the foundation supports with Raspbian.
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> currently 3.2.27
[15:42] <Jupp3> If you are unsure, probably best start with that.
[15:42] * neilr whispers "RISC OS" from the sidelines...
[15:42] <vipkilla> why hasn't support been merged into the main kernel release?
[15:42] * atouk hands gordon a fresh coffee
[15:42] <vipkilla> or it has since >3.2.27 ?
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> vipkilla, why don't you ask them?
[15:42] <Jupp3> neilr: That's based on linux kernel nowadays? :)
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> I understand progress is being made in that respect though.
[15:43] <vipkilla> i'll call linus torvalds
[15:43] <neilr> Nope! I just want to try and break the assumption that Pi = linux :)
[15:44] <poli> I bet it runs NetBSD
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> Indeed, FreeBSD took another step recently.
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> and NetBSD too.
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> So that'll keep the 2 people happy who use BSD.
[15:44] <Jupp3> neilr: At least I need "mostly working" hw accelerated OpenGL (ES), guess linux is the best (only?) choice for that currently
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> ;-)
[15:45] * poli loves NetBSD.
[15:45] <IT_Sean> Ahh... Nothing like the smell of thousands of deleted emails in the morning. Smells like... victory!
[15:46] <neilr> Jupp3: Yup! Can't argue with that at all. RISC OS is still a bit of a niche operating system really. But it deserves a look, given that all it costs is the SD card to download it to :) Oh, and I like FreeBSD too...
[15:47] <Jupp3> neilr: I know, but when it comes to that, I prefer MorphOS :)
[15:47] <Jupp3> ...which doesn't run on rpi obviously
[15:47] <rawsted> i still can't log in to this flippin thing ><
[15:48] <neilr> Operating systems are an odd thing, and deeply personal I think. I bit like the car you drive, clothes you wear, hairstyle you have etc. Some are practical, some are fun, some look good etc. etc.
[15:48] <poli> I am digging deep on Xenomai for embedded applications with the Pi.
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[15:49] <poli> I really enjoyed the way it works and having a Real Time OS makes all the difference.
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> I started with Linux in the early 90's - almost at the start, but not quite - having been using unix (sun, HP, PDP, etc.) for 10+ years before that.. I did use FreeBSD and BSDi for 2.5 years for a job in the mid-90's though, but Linux was faster, better, etc. on the same hardware at the time, so stuck with Linux after that....
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> did dabble with riscos with an Acorn Arc onceuponatime though..
[15:50] <Jupp3> neilr: That's on my "to try some day" list though. Last time I was thinking of trying it, I could only find some broken links on forums
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[15:51] <Jupp3> But recently downloaded the image, haven't installed yet though, too much "more critical" stuff to do on my rpi...
[15:51] <neilr> I think that Linux has pretty much won the battle for open source *nix options really. FreeBSD is good, but no better than Linux in any practical terms. Why would you choose it?
[15:52] <Jupp3> neilr: Yes, "because it's not Linux" isn't strong enough argument, especially when they still are so similar :)
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[15:53] <Jupp3> Of course there might be other reasons too, such as simply appreciating how nice bloke Theo de Raadt is.
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[15:54] <andoma> Jupp3: :)
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[15:55] <neilr> Another reason for my trying RISC OS... I've met Paul Fellows a few times. Nice chap :)
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> I found in the mid-90's a lot of people hugely distrustfull of Linux - who were sticking to their well known *BSD.. The claims I heard at the time were mostly to do with the network stack, the memory management IIRC....
[15:56] <poli> neilr: Linux chose a path that many mission critical applications can't trail. Niche applications that can't be booted and need extremely stable OSes just can't go Linux.
[15:56] <neilr> GordonDrogon: Yup - the TCP/IP stack was a reason for choosing FreeBSD over Linux for me, 10 years ago.
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> I keep meaning to go to a sort olocal (next county!) monthly computer folks meet - where they have a risc os club I think.
[15:57] <neilr> Then again, I was working for the IP team in an ISP at the time, so we had to be very careful about standards.
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[15:58] <neilr> blimey. Time flies. Actually 13 years ago :-/
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> that's where I was in the mid-90's.
[15:58] <neilr> Heh. Small world. UUNet in Cambridge for me.
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> you might have heard of VBCnet...
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> although I think it had been sold by then...
[15:59] <poli> I chose NetBSD and OpenBSD over Linux many times. It is extremely painful to keep those package systems up to date, but the Kernels had the stability we needed. A Linux server performing the same job had to be booted every 2 weeks due to security updates. And everytime it had to be booted I needed a full support team to make sure it would go up again.
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> poli, odd that it needed a reboot - don't recall too many critical kernel issues that needed that.
[16:00] <neilr> Sounds a familiar story. I've worked for about five companies in the past 10 years without ever actually changing jobs. We just keep getting bought by others :)
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> also odd that it needed a team to make sure it came up...
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[16:00] <gordonDrogon> but I guess different orgs. have different policys, etc.
[16:01] <neilr> Wildly different cultures too
[16:01] <poli> gordonDrogon that was in the timesof the stable/unstable branches. Now what I hear is that "given there is no stable branch, everything is unstable"
[16:01] <poli> makes some sense to me
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[16:01] <neilr> After the WorldCom debacle, a lot changed. Not least the personal circumstances of the CEO and CFO.
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[16:02] <poli> I love Linux, packaging systems are great, but kernel is a little to unstable. I love *BSD, Kernels are great, but packaging systems suck.
[16:02] * neilr agrees on the BSD packaging system
[16:03] * Zelest disagrees.. ports ftw!
[16:03] <Dyskette> Ports ftw indeed.
[16:03] <neilr> right.. talking of work, I really need to get on with some :)
[16:04] <Zelest> I'm looking at buying a SD card for my raspberry (i get it in a day or so) .. does the speed of the card do much? A friend bought a "up to 22MB/s" card and it's slow as heck.. Found a "up to 85MB/s", does that do much for performance?
[16:04] <poli> Haven't used ports in a bit. But pkgsrc drives me crazy.
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[16:08] <gordonDrogon> poli, not quite true - there are kernel versions with "long term support" which are considered stable, but I admit it's now becoming a while (ie. months!) since I last looked at the kernel sources/structure in any thing more than a passing glance.
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> Zelest, the fastest the Pi will manage is about 20MB/sec IIRC.
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[16:09] <gordonDrogon> poli, I think there's a Debian project that uses the FreeBSD kernel - at least I'm sure I read about it a while back...
[16:09] <poli> gordonDrogon: the long term support is no substitute for code stability and security. Those are the main drives, IMHO, behind *BSD instead of Linux.
[16:09] <poli> gordonDrogon: I have seen that Debian project for ages now. Never really worked in the past.
[16:10] <Zelest> gordonDrogon, Aah, as I thought.. yeah, I assumed the bottleneck was the raspberry and not the card really. :-)
[16:10] <Zelest> gordonDrogon, thanks
[16:10] <Triffid_Hunter> Zelest: those are continuous write speeds for contiguous regions.. it's random write performance that probably gives the most noticeable impact to apparent speed
[16:10] <poli> gordonDrogon: Check out OpenBSD.org motto: "Only two remote holes in the default install, in a heck of a long time!" They know their clients. ;)
[16:10] <mjr> Zelest, good class 4/6 cards might be better than class 10 since class 10 only spesifies non-fragmented speeds and 4 and 6 spesify minimum fragmented speed
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> poli, I'm fully aware of their claims. Still won't make me budge from Linux though.
[16:11] <Zelest> mjr, wow, that was greek to me.. :P
[16:11] <Zelest> mjr, think i got some read up to do on SD cards
[16:11] <Zelest> reading*
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> Zelest, just get a god branded class 4 or class 6 SD card. anything more probably isn't worth it. I use Sandisk SD cards and have some Kingston ones too.
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> er, good, not god!
[16:12] <mjr> Jesus saves on God-branded SD cards
[16:12] <Zelest> lol
[16:13] <mjr> see also http://mjr.iki.fi/humor/flashmemory.jpg
[16:13] <Zelest> but, a class 10 is worse than a class 4 or 6? or just not worth/waste of money?
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[16:14] <mjr> Zelest, let's just say that the guarantees that are made for class <10 are more relevant for Pi use than the as such higher guarantee that is made for class 10s
[16:14] <Triffid_Hunter> Zelest: they're awesome if you're recording HD video, however may or may not be any faster than a class 6 for random write
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[16:14] <petersaints> gordonDrogon: There's also Debian Hurd, a distribution of GNU Hurd: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ not sure if Hurd is BSD based or not :P
[16:14] <mjr> and in fact they may be slower for pi workloads in practice, though that will vary by card make and model and moon phase
[16:14] <zilog> hmm i just bought class 10 because i assumed higher=better :3
[16:15] <Triffid_Hunter> zilog: heh firefox crew discovered that not so long ago, went a bit nuts with it I think
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[16:16] <mjr> yeah it's somewhat shitty of the SD consortium to change the method of testing while using the same "class" classification
[16:16] <poli> petersaints: Hurd is something else. Not Linux, not *BSD.
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[16:16] <poli> petersaints: Uses a microkernel concept. I played with one of the first alpha releases. Never really took off either. But a good idea at the time.
[16:16] <Triffid_Hunter> mjr: hah don't get me started on sdxc and exfat
[16:17] <mjr> Triffid_Hunter, yes well, compared to _that_ the class confusion is quite well-intentioned
[16:17] <mjr> I'd use some descriptive words but I might get kicked
[16:18] <petersaints> I'm thinking of buying a 32GB SD. I can get a Samsung Class 4 for 18??? or a Samsung Class 10 for 25???. It's not that much expensive but if it makes no real world difference I might save some euros :P
[16:19] <Zelest> does any of the images/os'es for raspberry boot with sshd enabled? (or can I modify that manually from my mac with the SD card)
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[16:19] <petersaints> poli: yeah! I knew it used the microkernel model. But wasn't sure if it was based on BSD or not. However they should have at least drawn some inspiration from it.
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[16:20] <mjr> petersaints, I'd get the 4 one, YMMV
[16:21] <zilog> Zelest: xbian does, but isn't much of a general-use distro
[16:21] <poli> petersaints: they want to keep it compatible to POSIX, but it is not based on anything prior but surely has inspiration.
[16:21] <mjr> not sure if Macs deal well with ext4 filesystems, otherwise you can of course enable it by tweaking the card
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[16:21] <mjr> (if you know what you're doing anyway :)
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[16:24] <Zelest> zilog, Ah, also found this: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/38/prepare-for-ssh-without-a-screen
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[16:25] <poli> I would like to meet more people using Xenomai or other RTOS on the Pi. It is such an amazing platform for embedded development.
[16:25] <yamajj> s.A beyler
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> Zelest, current raspbian images DO have sshd enabled.
[16:26] <Zelest> gordonDrogon, oh
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> just find its IP address and ssh in as pi, pass raspberry
[16:27] <Zelest> yeah, no issue finding it :)
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> it will start raspi-config first time booted - on the console, but you can just run it once you login the first time, then reboot and it'll be OK after that.
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[16:38] <Zelest> http://www.sandisk.com/products/memory-cards/sd/extremepro-sdxc-sdhc-uhs-1-95mbs/
[16:38] <Zelest> is that a bad choice? (if putting money aside)
[16:39] <nid0> for the pi?
[16:39] <Zelest> i know i won't get 95MB/s in the raspberry of course..
[16:39] <Zelest> mhm
[16:39] <nid0> well, its total overkill, so is a waste of money
[16:39] <nid0> the pi's sd card i/o maxes out at about 20MB/s regardless of the speed of the card
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[16:40] <Zelest> ah
[16:40] <Zelest> where can I see specs like that?
[16:41] <djazz> yay, i managed to record audio (external soundcard) and encode it to ogg, while recording :D
[16:41] <nid0> its harder now, but on the old sd card compatibility list people used to note down speeds they could get and nothing really ever went above 18-20MB/s even if the cards are far faster
[16:42] <Zelest> nid0, i just want to make sure that the card isn't the bottleneck..
[16:43] <nid0> you can also ask anyone to test for you if you like
[16:43] <nid0> Timing buffered disk reads: 56 MB in 3.08 seconds = 18.16 MB/sec
[16:43] <nid0> thats a "30MB/s" sandisk card
[16:43] <nid0> Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 3.11 seconds = 20.61 MB/sec
[16:43] <nid0> thats a "30MB/s" samsung card
[16:44] <Zelest> ah
[16:44] <nid0> both class 6
[16:44] <nid0> and you'll see no real improvement with class 10
[16:44] <Zelest> i see
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[16:46] <Armand> Class 2 here, buffered reads at 5MB/s
[16:46] <djazz> command to test speed?
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> hdparm -t /dev/mm...
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[16:48] <gordonDrogon> Timing buffered disk reads: 60 MB in 3.03 seconds = 19.81 MB/sec
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> that's the (sandisk) one Farnell supplied. it's identical to the branded Sandisk ones I bought for the other Pi's.
[16:49] <djazz> 18.84 MB/sec SanDisk Class 10 8GB (Ultra smth)
[16:49] <Zelest> is that read or write speeds btw?
[16:49] <Zelest> ah read
[16:49] <Zelest> lol
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[16:57] <gordonDrogon> write isn't going to be any faster.
[16:59] <Zelest> mhm
[16:59] <Zelest> oh the raspberry debian version, is php-fpm available?
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[17:00] <djazz> Zelest: i use nginx and php-fpm on Raspbian
[17:00] <djazz> mhm
[17:00] <Zelest> awesome
[17:00] <Zelest> that's my plan, nginx, php-fpm and postgresql :)
[17:00] <djazz> my webserver isn't loadbalanced atm, but i can easily plug in another pi
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[17:01] <Zelest> prefect dev-environment.. when it runs smooth on the raspberry, deploy it on a real server :D
[17:01] <djazz> :D
[17:01] <djazz> yes, nginx handles the load balancing for http requests
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[17:01] <djazz> mysql lives on one of the pi's
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[17:13] <Torikun> djazz: I am loadbalancing with 3 pis
[17:13] <Torikun> nginx
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[17:16] <djazz> Torikun: nice
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[17:17] <Torikun> performance is better with the files on each pi
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[17:17] <djazz> yes
[17:17] <Torikun> 1 pi has the DB, 1 Pi does PHP , 1 PI load balances
[17:18] <Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com/?q=node/11
[17:18] <djazz> Torikun: i use unison to sync files across the pi's
[17:18] <Torikun> oooo what is that
[17:18] <djazz> its awesome
[17:18] <Torikun> how is it better than rsync
[17:19] <djazz> it syncs by uploading and downloading
[17:19] <djazz> if change is on any server
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[17:19] <Torikun> oh
[17:19] <Torikun> daemon?
[17:20] <djazz> nah
[17:20] <djazz> Torikun: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/unison-file-synchronizer-tool/
[17:20] <Torikun> ty
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[17:20] <djazz> nice tutorial
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[17:20] <Torikun> I would need to run this in Cron or something?
[17:21] <djazz> you have a master pi, that you run this on
[17:21] <djazz> cron? in intervals?
[17:21] <djazz> or when file change?
[17:22] <Torikun> I think I need that incron
[17:22] <Torikun> Then it will be automatic
[17:22] <Torikun> I think
[17:22] <djazz> incron is for files only i think, not recursion into dirs
[17:22] <djazz> i remember looking at that
[17:22] <Torikun> kinda pointless if not recursive
[17:23] <djazz> yeah
[17:23] <djazz> xD
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[17:23] <Torikun> looks like it does
[17:23] <djazz> aha cool
[17:24] <djazz> Torikun: i made my own status page: http://djazz.mine.nu/lab/cpuinfo/
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[17:24] * Torikun loads
[17:24] <Torikun> no graphics?
[17:25] <Torikun> ooo it updates it self
[17:25] <Torikun> nice
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[17:26] <Torikun> djazz: you may have made my replication issue resolved
[17:26] <Torikun> lol
[17:26] <MARAA> hello
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[17:27] <Torikun> hi
[17:27] <pksato> anyone already tried it? http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/images/freebsd/freebsd-pi-r245446/
[17:28] <Torikun> wow
[17:28] <shiftplusone> nice find
[17:29] <Davespice> I'm seeding it right now, not actually tried it yet
[17:32] <djazz> Torikun: :D
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[17:41] <djazz> If anyone want, here's the command I use to record audio and convert to ogg in realtime. Requires an external soundcard with audio input, obviously:
[17:41] <djazz> arecord -D plughw:1,0 -f S16_LE -r 48000 -c2 -t raw | oggenc - -r -C 2 -R 48000 -q 10 -o $1
[17:41] <djazz> replace $1 with filename
[17:41] <djazz> or place it in a shell script
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[17:45] <djazz> more info: http://mocha.freeshell.org/audio.html
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[17:46] <frxstrem> Is the performance difference between the hard float and soft float Debian images very noticeable?
[17:47] <Dyskette> frxstrem: fairly, yeah
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[17:49] <Torikun> unison wont work on raspberrypi Arch lol
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[17:49] <frxstrem> Dyskette: Oh, okay, even for regular usage (like, say, a low-traffic home server)?
[17:50] <Dyskette> frxstrem: decided difference in how sluggish irssi felt (fairly vs. not at all) for example
[17:50] <Hodapp> what would irssi be using floats substantially for?
[17:50] <Dyskette> No idea.
[17:51] <Dyskette> (This was over ssh, so that may factor in, as may any number of other things)
[17:52] <frxstrem> Okay :S
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[17:54] <Torikun> djazz: I use rsync with incrond
[17:54] <Torikun> looks like it works
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[17:57] <djazz> Torikun: :D
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[17:57] <Torikun> unison has a known bug to not work on the pi
[17:58] <Torikun> but thanks to you, I found incron
[17:58] <djazz> oh, ah, np ;D
[17:58] <Torikun> anytime there is change in the web dir, it calls my rsync script
[17:58] <djazz> great
[17:59] <Torikun> this should help you also because performance sucks if web files are not local
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[18:02] <Torikun> djazz: think it would be good for database replication also?
[18:03] <Torikun> sync /var/lib/mysql over
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[18:03] <TAFB> Woot! Got Wowza running on the Pi!!! :) Yay. http://mayer.click2stream.com
[18:03] <TAFB> crank up ur speakers if you got em, lossless audio :)
[18:03] <Torikun> wowza?
[18:04] <Torikun> I see a band playing
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[18:04] <TAFB> Wowza = record my ip camera and stream it to flash/HTML5 players :)
[18:04] <rymate1234> woot html5
[18:04] <rymate1234> hrmmmm
[18:04] <Torikun> TAFB: check out incron
[18:05] <rymate1234> anyone know a good vim config file?
[18:05] <TAFB> will do :)
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[18:05] <TAFB> vim? *puke* emacs ftw.
[18:05] <Torikun> helps me automatically sync changes between pi's when the folder is changed
[18:05] <rymate1234> ewwmacs#
[18:06] <TAFB> Torikun: nice! I just got signed up with megaupload again :) 50gb for free, going to try and sync my Pi to it :)
[18:06] <Torikun> i could not do that tafb
[18:06] <Torikun> I lick register
[18:06] <Torikun> and nothing happens
[18:06] <TAFB> it's fixed now, are you on Kim's twitter feed? He said server was under 100% load since launch, he underestimated the demand, had half a million accounts created :)
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[18:07] <Torikun> lol
[18:07] <Torikun> how to sync from pi to mega
[18:07] <rymate1234> sounds like google with the nexus 4
[18:07] <TAFB> Torikun: my friend is converting code to do it with gdrive to Mega :) Will let you know once it's workin
[18:07] <Torikun> ty
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[18:08] <djazz> Torikun: nah, not the database xD
[18:08] <Torikun> ok
[18:08] <djazz> you can make manual backups form time to time
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[18:08] <djazz> or automated
[18:09] <djazz> xD
[18:09] <Torikun> Yeah
[18:09] <TAFB> Torikun: If the regulat site doesn't work, try the https: https://mega.co.nz/
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[18:09] <Torikun> That was the one I was trying yesterday
[18:09] <TAFB> ahhh :)
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[18:12] <Torikun> how can he afford 50GB per person
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[18:12] <rymate1234> Torikun: Nobody knows
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[18:13] <Torikun> 50 GB * millions = many
[18:13] <Torikun> Mega!
[18:15] <rymate1234> Torikun: the same way he did for megaupload I guess
[18:15] <Torikun> which is?
[18:15] <Torikun> lol
[18:15] <rymate1234> idk
[18:15] <Torikun> he did not offer 50GB before right
[18:15] <rymate1234> maybe he has lots of money
[18:15] <rymate1234> or no brains
[18:15] <rymate1234> or tar.gz compressed file systems
[18:15] <Torikun> lol
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[18:16] <TAFB> money, he has ;)
[18:16] <Torikun> from what!
[18:16] <Torikun> lol
[18:16] <TAFB> all his secret megaupload accounts, the police "only" found around 300 million
[18:16] <Torikun> oh
[18:17] <rymate1234> "only"
[18:17] <TAFB> lol
[18:17] <rymate1234> I found the ultimate vim config guys
[18:17] <rymate1234> or at least, that's what this vim config calls itself
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[18:20] <Kane> o/
[18:20] <djazz> \o
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[18:21] <Kane> djazz \o
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[18:25] <gordonDrogon> TAFB, emacs? *puke* vim ftw.
[18:25] <Torikun> nano ftw!
[18:26] <djazz> echo ftw!
[18:26] <djazz> :>
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> Hm. just seen the Atari thing. Didn't realise they were still going!
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[18:28] <gordonDrogon> ah, seems it's a mess. just reading the history of it all. messy.
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[18:29] <TAFB> gordonDrogon: lol :)
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[18:29] <neilr> Re: vim, emacs etc...
[18:29] <neilr> http://wcp.sdf-eu.org/realprogrammers.html
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[18:32] <djazz> :D
[18:33] <djazz> anyone uses tmux? here's a script to show the pi's cpu temperature as a process in the taskbar, for example "56C": http://pastebin.com/Tie7whFU
[18:34] <djazz> bash script
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[18:36] <Torikun> a fresh drupal install process kills the PI's cpu
[18:36] <Torikun> lol
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[18:39] <dape> wow
[18:39] <dape> c'mon.. drupal is heavier than wordpress?
[18:40] <Torikun> dunno
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[18:43] <poli> dape: depends on what you are running on it. Lots and lots of extensions on both sides.
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[18:44] <poli> err ok, fresh install.
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[18:45] <chris_99> is there a raspberry pi schematic / pcb layout/
[18:47] <shiftplusone> schematic yes, pcb layout, AFAIK no
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[19:00] <chris_99> sweet cheers
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[19:02] <politie> getting waiting for hardware interupt timeout, should i buy a different sdcard or can it be something else?
[19:03] <shiftplusone> I've only seen it on my pi when using a bad supply
[19:04] <politie> power?
[19:04] <shiftplusone> bacon
[19:04] <politie> bad bacon suply
[19:04] <politie> i have the same problem
[19:04] <shiftplusone> yes
[19:04] <shiftplusone> common problem
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[19:05] <politie> i thought it was the lack of bacon that was causing it but couldnt find anything on google
[19:06] <pronto> i should put xen-arm on the raspberry pi
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[19:07] <IT_Sean> mmmm bacon
[19:07] <shiftplusone> politie, have you measured the voltage between tp1 and tp2?
[19:08] <politie> no, i will get a voltmeter
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[19:08] <shiftplusone> I tend to get that when it drops to around the 4.7 region, but ymmv
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[19:08] <shiftplusone> then again, it might be the sd card as well
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[19:11] <politie> i have a nokia charger, ive read that it has been experienced as troublesome. usb from computer isnt same output either?
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[19:11] <shiftplusone> depends on the computer.
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[19:12] <politie> ok
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[19:16] <shiftplusone> http://wh.gov/XYRm
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[19:16] <shiftplusone> "The Administration shares your desire for job creation and a strong national defense, but a Death Star isn't on the horizon." =(
[19:16] <steve_rox> haha i saw that
[19:17] <steve_rox> bloody troll patitions :-P
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[19:20] <shiftplusone> Democracy at work "authorize the production of a recurring television program featuring Vice President Joe Biden" and "Peacefully grant the State of Texas to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government."
[19:20] <Torikun> Word
[19:20] <Armand> Yeah, let Texas fail alone.
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[19:20] <Hodapp> We can send them a bill for their part of the national debt.
[19:21] <Armand> I would, Hodapp ;)
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[19:21] <Armand> Talking of which... We've got a back-dated bill for the USA here..
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[19:23] <mjr> there was the funny response to that, namely "Peacefully grant the city of Austin, Texas to withdraw from the State of Texas and remain part of the United States" or something
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[19:24] <Hodapp> mjr: bahahhaha
[19:24] <Armand> lol
[19:24] <Armand> I have a hard time believing the general population of Texas would be so stupid as to leave the Union.
[19:24] <mjr> "We would also like to annex Dublin Texas, Lockhart Texas, & Shiner Texas."
[19:25] <viric> shiftplusone: makes me thing of the documentary "Pax Americana: weaponization of space"
[19:25] <viric> (the death star thing
[19:25] <viric> )
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[19:25] <mjr> Armand, I don't know...
[19:25] <Armand> mjr, I'm looking forward to visiting the southern states someday.. and confusing the KKK. :P
[19:26] <shiftplusone> viric, first I am hearing of it. Worth watching?
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[19:26] <viric> If you think you don't know how crazy are people in the USA military...
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[19:28] <Armand> Speaking for the British Military.. "crazy" is considered UNwelcome.
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[19:29] <viric> normal.
[19:29] * akk suspects that the politicians controlling the military are a lot crazier than the people inside it, in general
[19:30] <viric> nah, politicians want money. That's easy.
[19:30] * shiftplusone suspects blanket statements like that hide the complexity of reality
[19:30] <viric> noone can talk about reality
[19:30] <Armand> Fair to say.. American politics is batshit.
[19:30] <viric> one thing is reality, the other is talk.
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[19:32] <GabrialDestruir> I'm trying to figure out how owncloud seems like a good idea for the pi... all my experiences with it so far have been subpar
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[19:32] <bebraw> how can i connect to my pi using lan (laptop to pi)?
[19:32] <shiftplusone> GabrialDestruir, yes, you'd need to find ways to accelerate php
[19:32] <bebraw> using os x here :)
[19:32] <Armand> bebraw, typically ssh.
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[19:33] <bebraw> Armand: i ssh'd over wlan already. is there something special i need to set up for lan to work?
[19:34] <bebraw> now it's basically direct connection unlike before
[19:34] <Armand> If it's connected to your router, it should be accessable to your entire network (barring subnet exclusions)
[19:34] <bebraw> true. i'm trying to achieve a connection ~without~ router
[19:35] <Armand> Ahh
[19:35] <Armand> You'll want static IPs then. ;)
[19:35] * Armand AFKs.. >_<
[19:35] <bebraw> hmm. yeah. i'll look into that. thanks :)
[19:36] <bebraw> cool. got it. now to test :)
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[19:37] <GabrialDestruir> My issue isn't even speed atm... it's just getting the thing to run properly.
[19:37] <shiftplusone> GabrialDestruir, what server are you using?
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[19:38] <GabrialDestruir> nginx
[19:38] <shiftplusone> What guide, if any, are you following?
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[19:38] <GabrialDestruir> I had it working but I went to update it from to 4.5 and clearly did it wrong =\
[19:38] <shiftplusone> have you got php working and everything?
[19:38] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
[19:38] <shiftplusone> ah
[19:40] <shiftplusone> Well then, good luck.
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[19:42] <Armand> Sorry, bebraw.. had to dash to the shop. -_-
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[19:42] <Armand> Any joy?
[19:42] <bebraw> Armand: no probs. just about to test. did some conf :)
[19:43] <Armand> :)
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[19:48] <rikkib> Good morning all... Another lovely day in New Zealand
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[19:49] <IT_Sean> Good afternoon
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[19:51] <TAFB> hey rikkib: sign up on Mega yet, .co.nz :)
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[19:51] <rikkib> No access here
[19:51] <doublehp> hello
[19:51] <rikkib> The site is hosted offshore
[19:52] <rikkib> mu whereever that is
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[19:52] <TAFB> Serious? sucky. It's super slow and flakey right now anyway, hopefully it's good when it's finished :)
[19:53] <djazz> is there a remote dekstop viewer for the raspberry? like vncviewer, but without need for a desktop manager
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[19:53] <TAFB> i use x11vnc with ultravnc
[19:53] <rikkib> Mr Dotcom has no money and is being supported by another rich lister here in NZ
[19:53] <aDro> I need a file of commands for my Raspberry Pi so I have a reference.
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[19:54] <djazz> TAFB: aha, how does it work?
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[19:56] <doublehp> I have rebuilt my kernel with CONFIG_I2C_BCM2708_BAUDRATE=500 , and my I2C bus still runs at 100k instead of 500Hz; where is the bug ?
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[19:58] <djazz> TAFB: it looks like x11vnc is a server...
[19:58] <djazz> i want the reverse
[19:59] <TAFB> djazz: ahhh, i thought you wanted to remotely connect TO your Pi, sorry :)
[19:59] <djazz> nope, i want to use my laptop through my pi :)
[19:59] <TAFB> freaky ;)
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[20:03] <Torikun> tightvnc-client on pi
[20:04] <Torikun> tightvnc-server on laptop
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[20:09] <aDro> what is the command to view my os version?
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[20:10] <bertrik> uname -a
[20:11] <shiftplusone> WHat do you mean by os version exactly? Kernel version, distro, the release of the distro...?
[20:11] <doublehp> i need help: how much time to performe a full i2cdetect at 500 baud ? IMHO it should be, 2ms per bit, times 127, time 9b ... should be 2.3s to me, isn't it ?
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> how are you running the I2c ar 500 baud?
[20:17] * gordonDrogon reads up - you recompiled the kernel...
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[20:22] <aDro> bertrik: Thanks
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[20:28] <streetmapp> just out of curiosity what distro are you guys using? and is it the first one you put on your pi?
[20:28] <Torikun> arch on 4 pis
[20:28] <jelly1> arch
[20:28] <doublehp> gordonDrogon: I usually do I2C by bit banging; for the first time I use a build in feature. I would be sad to see the feature work not as good as the manual way !!! cause if it really bugs, I will have to code bit banging again on rPi !!!
[20:28] <Torikun> I tried raspian but my wireless keyboard was not working
[20:28] <doublehp> 5 debians
[20:28] <Torikun> Openelec was the more stable than xbmc distro
[20:29] <jelly1> openelec works nice yeah
[20:29] <jelly1> i wonder if openelec auto -updates
[20:29] <Torikun> never did for me
[20:30] <jelly1> really
[20:30] <jelly1> ugh!
[20:30] <Torikun> I installed it via berry boot months ago
[20:30] <Torikun> maybe it works now
[20:30] <jelly1> xbmc beta1 :(
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[20:31] <gordonDrogon> doublehp, I2C works OK for me at the default speed - I'm presuming you need it slower to go longer?
[20:31] <doublehp> yes
[20:32] <aslan> openelec++
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> streetmapp, Raspbian on 5 Pi's.
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[20:33] <gordonDrogon> doublehp, you ought to be able to modprobe the module with the speed: modprobe i2c_bcm2708 baudrate=150000
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[20:34] <doublehp> gordonDrogon: I did not see such an option anywhere ... especially NOT in the BCM source
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> I've just tried it with 500 and i2cdetect took under a second to run ...
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> I just googled for it .
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> first hit in google.
[20:35] <doublehp> most pages say that it bugs ...
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> then maybe it does.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=18852
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[20:37] <doublehp> yes, your syntax helps; it produces the same result as with rebuild: default 100k takes 45ms, with your reloading, it takes 260ms ...
[20:37] <doublehp> what is way more, but still not enough
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> it wouldn't surprise me if there was a lower limit.
[20:37] <doublehp> i ll measure it now
[20:38] <jelly1> Torikun: it seems like you can easily manually update openelec!
[20:38] <bertrik> i2c itself doesn't have a lower limit as far as I know
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[20:42] <doublehp> gordonDrogon: http://pastebin.com/tFFLe9Qk after 5 run, always the same results; always same values for the first three: 10=0.2 100=0.08 1000=0.3 ... sounds like a boundary issue !!!
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> doublehp, best report it then...
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> bertrik, I meant the Pi having a lower limit...
[20:43] <doublehp> gordonDrogon: did you check my paste ? isn't it strange ?
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> it's odd, but to be honest I'm not overly fussed as I2C currently works for me and I don't hae time to double check. Which is why I suggested that you report it.
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[21:10] <GabrialDestruir> So finally got owncloud working, it turns out if you try to link it with dropbox the whole thing crashes which sucks.
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[21:19] <TAFB> new pool game about to start on the Pi: http://tafb02.click2stream.com/
[21:21] <Primer> Pi is what the camera is connected to?
[21:22] <TAFB> The camera is a IP camera. The Pi is connected to it wirelessly, and running CRTMPSERVER to convert the IP camera feed from RTSP (compatible with nothing) to flash compatible h264 RTMP for streaming :)
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[21:23] <Primer> I recall you were trying to setup live streaming on Youtube the other day. Guessing that didn't work out?
[21:23] <Primer> I stream games (World of Warcraft) using twitch.tv
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[21:23] <TAFB> correct. I e-mailed youtube and they told me to jump in a lake, Live is only enabled for non-profit groups at the moment
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[21:24] <TAFB> Primer: how do you get feed from your computer, xsplit?
[21:24] <Primer> And I was wondering if I could stream my home security stream using some free service, being cheap and all
[21:24] <Primer> yes
[21:24] <TAFB> I love xsplit :)
[21:24] <Primer> Yes, it's great
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[21:24] <Primer> But other free programs can do it too
[21:24] <Primer> vlc for example
[21:24] <Primer> just not as well
[21:24] <TAFB> I have a Black Magic PCI express card in my PC so I can use xsplit to stream HDMI from my digital cable box, PS3, etc.
[21:25] <Primer> vlc is what I did for creating my security camera mosaic, which I've linked here before
[21:25] <TAFB> yeah, great job on the mosaic, looked great.
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[21:25] <Primer> Except the digital cable box surely uses encryption?
[21:25] <Primer> Broadcasters don't like it when you do that
[21:25] <TAFB> yep, but I have HDFury to decript hdmi ;)
[21:25] <Primer> I added an active mic to the stream
[21:26] <Primer> it picks up _everything_
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[21:26] <TAFB> this camera has a mic input and they make a super awesome little PoE powered amplified mic, but this is going to be traffic camera so they don't need audio
[21:26] <Primer> There was a woman walking in front of my house talking on her cell phone and I could hear her very clearly
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[21:26] <TAFB> haha! nice
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[21:27] <Primer> Right now I have vlc reading from the v4l2 devices, which causes the load on the machine to be relatively low, just over 1
[21:27] <schellsan> has anyone read a good walkthrough on qemu for the rpi?
[21:27] <Primer> as opposed to running motion on the v4l2 devices, and having vlc read the mjpeg streams from motion
[21:27] <Primer> But nothing is being recorded without motion
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[21:28] <Primer> Also, the Pi works perfectly as the stream client. The day I received the Pi I simply downloaded raspbian, dd'd it to the SD, plugged everything in, ran omxplayer -o hdmi $URL, and it was up
[21:29] <TAFB> yeah, I haven't worked on the recording setup, I was able to get Wowza running on the Pi so might use it to record the stream, but haven't tried it yet, might be too cpu/io intensive :( Wowza on the Pi: http://mayer.click2stream.com/
[21:29] <Primer> The whole process took about 10 minutes. I expected to be spending all sorts of time on it. It was kinda anti-climactic
[21:31] <Primer> I'll definitely need motion, as I don't want to just record everything all the time
[21:31] <Primer> and motion does a good job at detecting motion and only recording "events"
[21:31] <Primer> which turns out to mostly be raccoons, possums, skunks, and cats
[21:32] <TAFB> ahhh. This camera records to SD whenever there's motion, but it's in some strange video format and haven't had much luck yet. But the camera has FTP and I setup program to automatically download the videos after motion event complete.
[21:33] <Primer> Are you familiar with motion?
[21:33] <TAFB> have not tried it yet, was not impressed with the cpu intensiveness of it on the Pi, and the somewhat poor image quality
[21:33] <Primer> all of that can be tweaked, of course
[21:34] <rikkib> Ar you running motion successfully on the latest kernel?
[21:34] <Primer> It's inherently CPU intensive, as it has to process each frame to detect motion
[21:34] <Primer> no
[21:34] <Primer> I'm still on Debian Lenny
[21:34] <Primer> kernel 2.6
[21:34] <Primer> The bttv driver hates kernel 3.x
[21:35] <TAFB> yeah, when MY four cameras arrive from china I'll have to figure something out. Using GPIO on the Pi I can detect when the camera has motion, because it has relay outputs, so I'll probably go that route for no CPU use ;)
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[21:35] <Primer> I tried Ubuntu 12, and the machine would crash after about a day
[21:35] <TAFB> Camera's I've ordered: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/WDR-Sensor-720P-Day-Night-4x-zoom-2-8-12mm-Varifocal-Lens-Car-Plate-Read-Function/685848710.html
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[21:36] <rikkib> The only way I have been able to run motion on the RPi is by using kernel 3.1.09
[21:36] <Primer> oh, I don't run motion on the pi
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[21:37] <Primer> TAFB: 720p eh, nice
[21:37] <TAFB> yeah, at crappy bitrate though, 800kbps (plus flawless lossless audio of course! only way to rock)
[21:37] <Primer> The Pi plays my mosaic stream really well though. Load barely goes above .5
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[21:37] <simcop2387> how dangerous is it to accidentally draw too much current from the 3.3v gpio power line. i'm thinking max 75ma (in the event of me screwing something up) and i'm wondering if it'll burn something out or just not work right because the voltage will drop
[21:37] <TAFB> nice! what do you play it in? oxmplayer
[21:37] <rikkib> Wow $150USD is more than my whole RPi + cam is worth
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[21:38] <Primer> yes, omxplayer
[21:38] <TAFB> rikkib: yeah, but I like quality, WDR, super wide angle zoom lens, 720p ;)
[21:38] <Primer> I just need to add it to rc.local or something so it runs on boot
[21:39] <Primer> I've been sshing in, starting screen, and running omxplayer manually
[21:39] <TAFB> I miss rc.local on Arch :(
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[21:39] <djazz> i use omxplayer to play a animation (MP4) during boot :)
[21:39] <djazz> with sound
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[21:40] <TAFB> lots of viewers on my vid stream of John Mayer :) lol http://mayer.click2stream.com/
[21:41] <djazz> xD
[21:41] <Primer> So is that just something you're playing on your TV and streaming?
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[21:42] <TAFB> my i7 PC is down converting 1080p 12mbps to 720p 800kbps and transcoding audio from DTS 5.1 to 320kbps AAC stereo, then dumping the video by UDP to the Pi which is running Wowza media server to stream to flash player :)
[21:43] <triad> TAFB: .
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[21:43] <TAFB> more of a proof of concept, to test live streaming :)
[21:43] <TAFB> i just happened to have that bluray handy :)
[21:44] <Primer> The video cuts out, but it's hard to tell if that's local
[21:44] <jacekowski> simcop2387: most likely those pins can't supply that sort of current
[21:44] <Primer> The audio keeps playing, so I presume it's at the source
[21:44] <Primer> the problem is at the source, that is
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[21:44] <jacekowski> simcop2387: but overloading it is bad idea
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[21:45] <TAFB> yeah, my internet upload can barely do 800kbps video with 320kbps audio. If I drop the audio quality it does it just about perfect. That flash player buffers the audio and video separately, and gives priority to the audio stream, so if the buffer gets low it drops video frames to keep the audio goin :)
[21:45] <GabrialDestruir> I see no video issues here at the moment.
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[21:46] <TAFB> it comes and goes, like I said can BARELY do it :)
[21:46] <TAFB> how's the audio quality?? ;)
[21:46] <GabrialDestruir> Honestly it looks and sounds great from here.
[21:47] <simcop2387> jacekowski: yea they're rated at 50ma and i'm trying to figure out if i'll blow out a regulator if i accidentally try to draw something higher. hooking up an avr as an i2c slave to do some things (spi radio that needs constant talking to, among other things)
[21:47] <TAFB> woot woot :) thanks to click2stream for splitting the stream for me ;)
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[21:47] <TAFB> can't wait to get better internet here, I want to stream all FOUR of my new cameras at 720p30 :)
[21:47] <Torikun> anyone get owncloud working?
[21:47] <simcop2387> i SHOULDN'T be higher than 50ma but i haven't built and measured yet
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[21:47] <GabrialDestruir> I have it somewhat working.
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[21:47] <Torikun> I can not get it installed, database problems
[21:48] <Torikun> odd
[21:48] <GabrialDestruir> Basic functionality, limited to SDCARD
[21:48] <GabrialDestruir> trying to get it connected to my samba shares so I can access all my other storage... otherwise running owncloud will be pointless
[21:49] <TAFB> gotta rewind the video a sec, stream will go funky for a bit ;)
[21:50] <GabrialDestruir> I think I just have too much on my storage for the php to be able to catalog it all in 5 minutes or w/e
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[21:51] <TAFB> my friend wanted to hear the guitar solo part over again, lol
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[21:52] <politie> ls
[21:54] <doublehp> gordonDrogon: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=30588&p=266356 ... in my last post, i explain my conclusion; there IS a bug somewhere.
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[22:03] <gordonDrogon> doublehp, the gaps between bytes is what I've also seen on a scope when looking at the Pi's SPI
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[22:03] <darrenabird> hello
[22:03] <wooy> hi, how it works in raspbian, you got package repo or compiling everything?
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[22:04] <FrankBlues> wooy: repo
[22:07] <rideh> are there any tos i would break if i started a guerilla hosting company based on raspberry_pis disguised as air freshners plugged into non-conscenting networks?
[22:08] <poli> wooy: Raspbian is pretty much a debian that has support for the FPU
[22:08] <rideh> s/conscenting/consenting
[22:08] <poli> wooy: so just think debian for almost everything
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[22:09] <GabrialDestruir> Figured out SMB for owncloud.... but I can't access the external USB drive with it... it won't let me samba back to same computer
[22:09] <wooy> FrankBlues, poli: repo URL so i can check out current list of packages, pls.
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[22:10] <poli> wooy: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianRepository
[22:10] <mjr> GabrialDestruir, why do you want to mount a local samba share?
[22:10] <wooy> thx
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[22:11] <GabrialDestruir> Because OwnCloud doesn't have that I can see a way to add in the drive directly via USB
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[22:11] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose I could screw around with mounted and binded folders and I might be able to do something.
[22:11] <Torikun> from my experience, own cloud is tied to a data dir on the sd card only
[22:11] <Torikun> I had issues with having it on samba
[22:12] <mjr> I don't know about OwnCloud spesifically but don't you just mount the USB drive into some directory and share that?
[22:12] <mjr> you _can't_ use samba to access the raw drive without mounting it first
[22:12] <mjr> and if you have it mounted, you don't need samba to access it locally, you can just go at it
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[22:13] <mjr> so your problem statement makes little sense to me
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[22:13] <GabrialDestruir> Well it's mounted under media and shared via samba, but owncloud has no options to let me add it in as additional storage.
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[22:15] <mjr> I see, well, I've nothing then, but at least there's a more clear problem statement if somebody knows about OwnCloud spesifically
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[22:16] <poli> wooy: you can always use debian if you need something not in raspbian, but won't have the advantage of the FPU
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[22:20] <wooy> poli, thx. i dont have exotic needs and the list seems to be vast.
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[22:21] <wooy> thinkingabout raspi as seedbox with transmission for long-term support of my own or ffav torrents
[22:23] <poli> That's a nice application for raspi.
[22:23] <poli> I use it for real time embedded stuff.
[22:23] <GabrialDestruir> There just set PHP to a 10 minute time out, hopefully the PI can scan the new directory in that time.
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[22:25] <poli> GabrialDestruir PHP? Served by a web server?
[22:25] <GabrialDestruir> Yea...
[22:25] <GabrialDestruir> On the Pi
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[22:25] <poli> GabrialDestruir: How are you keeping the session/connection alive for so long?
[22:25] <Gordio> DIE PHP!!!
[22:26] <Gordio> PHP, Java DIE DIE!!
[22:26] <TAFB> I heart PHP :) http://tafb.yi.org
[22:26] <schellsan> is anyone running raspbian on qemu?
[22:26] <GabrialDestruir> I just bumped the PHP timeout up to 10 minutes.... we'll see if it actually works or not in 10 minutes I guess xD
[22:26] <MrOpposite> Man
[22:26] <MrOpposite> Php is horrible to work in
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[22:28] <poli> I like PHP. It reminds me of the 90s. Nice decade.
[22:28] <poli> But that's basically it.
[22:29] <MrOpposite> poli, I wasn't doing any programming in the 90s...
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> I like PHP as a sloppy interpreted C.
[22:29] <piney0> i like php cause it's basically C without having to define variable types, and the swiss army knife of built in functions.
[22:29] <MrOpposite> I started in like 2003
[22:29] <poli> GabrialDestruir: Oh the timeout you mean for the server response. I see.
[22:29] <GabrialDestruir> I don't think this is a feasible solution to sharing all my information in a "dropbox style" format. If it has to rescan everytime a new file is added it'll just take too long.
[22:30] <MrOpposite> piney0, yeah, I like all the functions... I just wish the API was a bit more consequent.
[22:30] <MrOpposite> consistent*
[22:30] <MrOpposite> dude
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[22:30] <MrOpposite> How did I mix that up?
[22:30] <GabrialDestruir> Oh hey it's done! :D
[22:30] <mjr> MrOpposite, 'cause you write php? ;P
[22:31] <akk> PHP's main advantage is that you can embed it in html files. Otherwise I'm not clear why anyone would use it.
[22:31] <MrOpposite> mjr, I don't write that much PHP...
[22:31] <piney0> MrOpposite, i can see that. the auto defining of variable types messes me up sometimes too, but i do abuse php to do a lot
[22:31] <MrOpposite> Just when I have to due to work
[22:31] <mjr> PHP - not even once!
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[22:32] <poli> Would choose perl over PHP for almost every web development. That fitted PHP, at least. Otherwise, just do rails.
[22:33] <MrOpposite> I've been thinking of picking up a new language
[22:33] <rymate1234> Pyyyyython
[22:34] <MrOpposite> But I'm to lazy
[22:34] <MrOpposite> I use python for my daily scripting needs
[22:34] <rymate1234> Python with flask is gud for the web
[22:34] <MrOpposite> Even if I have to say, I'm not experienced at ALL in python
[22:34] <poli> I have learned to like ruby a little more than python, but both are great.
[22:34] <akk> python++
[22:34] <rymate1234> http://flask.pocoo.org/
[22:34] <MrOpposite> (I don't even know the syntax for OOP in python
[22:34] <AlcariTheMad> python++
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[22:34] <gordonDrogon> I've written a lot of command-line PHP scripts.
[22:35] <poli> I have a web.py on a raspberry pi that works like a charm.
[22:35] <AlcariTheMad> MrOpposite: class foo(base, classes):
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> actually almost all my business ccounting & billing is writtn in php.
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[22:35] <piney0> i don't 'get' the syntax pf python, but at the same time i didn't try that hard when i could do what i needed in other languages
[22:35] <akk> Though python seems less popular on the RPi -- seems like a lot of important APIs (like PWM) come later to python than to other languages.
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[22:35] <poli> I like the 100%-OO think of ruby.
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[22:35] <MrOpposite> I also have some problems with the python syntax
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[22:35] <gordonDrogon> akk, less popular? It's what the foundation are pushing most!
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[22:36] <MrOpposite> Sure I like indentation, but I don't want to be FORCED to indentate
[22:36] <piney0> MrOpposite, i agree
[22:36] <akk> gordonDrogon: Seems like I'm always googling for stuff and finding that oh, you can do that in C or perl, but the python bindings don't support it yet.
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> MrOpposite, don't program in OCCAM either then.
[22:36] <rymate1234> PHP - http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
[22:36] <AlcariTheMad> the syntax of python is simple, as long as you punch anyone who does this: http://alcari.codepad.org/gomc0tgN
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> rymate1234, yea, we've all seen that ... it's easy to write that for any language.
[22:36] <poli> I have screwed up a lot of coding running auto-ident inadvertently.
[22:37] <piney0> AlcariTheMad, not a one liner fan? :)
[22:37] <rymate1234> Lol
[22:37] <MrOpposite> AlcariTheMad, is that... a python oneliner?
[22:37] <AlcariTheMad> piney0: i wrote that
[22:37] <AlcariTheMad> MrOpposite: yes
[22:37] <MrOpposite> I didn't think that was possible
[22:37] <AlcariTheMad> that's a pygtk based lobby client for springrts.com with a multi-tabbed interface
[22:37] <akk> Somebody should start the Obfuscated Python Contest, and enter that.
[22:37] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm.... found the local option in Admin but it still doesn't want to come up... I think it's being resistant to NTFS support
[22:38] <poli> This is worst than js minimalist sources.
[22:38] <poli> *worse
[22:38] <MrOpposite> javascript is rather nice
[22:38] <piney0> looking through obfuscated code can be a fun challange sometimes
[22:38] <AlcariTheMad> there's multiple inheritance in that line
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[22:38] <akk> Javascript is great in theory, but a horror when you try to make code that actually works across browsers.
[22:38] <poli> It is. But I hate it when they minimalize it.
[22:38] <MrOpposite> yeah, akk, sure the inconsistensies are horrble
[22:38] <poli> haven't used it that much
[22:39] <poli> Browsenberg principle
[22:39] <MrOpposite> poli, yeah, not being able to look at other peoples code is awful
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[22:39] <MrOpposite> http://new.weavesilk.com/ << awesome JS!
[22:39] <akk> I used to try to teach javascript as a beginning programming language at a summer camp, but I gave up on it, too confusing and I had to write a compatibility wrapper.
[22:40] <MrOpposite> I agree, javascript might not be the best language to start with...
[22:40] <MrOpposite> Actually I started with javascript
[22:40] <MrOpposite> It was a natural red line from HTML
[22:40] <MrOpposite> hehe
[22:40] <akk> I liked that the kids could create graphics so easily, and share their code with friends via browsers.
[22:40] <piney0> i knew someone who programmed like an ida pro disassembler. that was obfuscated. (int)a1, a2, etc. was a pain to read
[22:40] <MrOpposite> The days when I learned javascript....
[22:40] <poli> my first language was stinky basic, in the 80s
[22:40] <poli> than C
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[22:40] <poli> *then C
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[22:40] <MrOpposite> The first on line javascript course I took
[22:40] <poli> then I gave up learning ;)
[22:40] <akk> But to do anything, you need to know html and css really solidly first (they didn't) plus browser incompatibilities.
[22:41] <MrOpposite> During the chapter teaching loops
[22:41] <MrOpposite> I couldn't in my wildest dreams figure out WHY the loops were good for anything
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[22:42] <MrOpposite> Oh boy, 10 year old me was really ignorant...
[22:42] <akk> MrOpposite: When I introduced loops at first, it was "you have this list of images, how do you show every image in the list?"
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[22:42] <MrOpposite> The course I took was like: HERE YOU HAVE A STRING "aeou", and this loop makes the string go "a-o-e-u"!
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[22:43] <MrOpposite> And I was like "If I wanted "a-o-e-u" I'd just type that from the beginning"...
[22:43] <akk> Yeah, it's hard to get kids to care about non-visual programming like looping over strings.
[22:43] <MrOpposite> well I kept doing programming
[22:43] <MrOpposite> and came to love/hate loops :P
[22:43] <djazz> javascript is my fav language. made this in pure js (serverside too) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrgPvr6pDV0
[22:44] <poli> It took me ages to understand pointers, references and malloc.
[22:44] <piney0> multidimensional arrays are my love / hate thing. usualy involving loops
[22:44] <MrOpposite> I did a platform engine in javascript once...
[22:44] <poli> chained lists
[22:44] <MrOpposite> or rather ported my java one to js
[22:44] <MrOpposite> and the java engine was ported from GameMaker...
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> I did BASIC then assembler...
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[22:45] <MrOpposite> I'm not THAT old tho...
[22:45] <MrOpposite> I wasn't around in the early ages of programming...
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> ?
[22:47] <dape> djazz awesome work
[22:47] <djazz> :)
[22:47] <piney0> Color BASIC was my first language.
[22:47] <MrOpposite> Man, I wish I grew up with the Commondore 64...
[22:47] <poli> internet was a game changer for programers to learn
[22:47] * akk also started with BASIC, way back when
[22:48] <TAFB> i had an Atom computer, and a 7,000 page book with three or four programs in it (hangman was my fav), then got a commie 64, so much nicer being able to save your programs :)
[22:48] <poli> had to learn pascal for some introductory classes in higher education, it sucked so bad
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> Get BASIC on hte Pi now: https://projects.drogon.net/return-to-basic/
[22:48] <djazz> dape: it's online if you wanna try it (I hear the music/see the video) http://djazz.mine.nu:7000/
[22:48] <poli> GOTO and GOSUB
[22:49] <piney0> TRS-80 here
[22:49] <poli> are in my deepest nightmares
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> you don't need goto/gosub in a modern basic.
[22:49] <MrOpposite> djazz, tjena, antar att du har svenska kanaler av en anledning?
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[22:49] <dape> djazz thanks but i'm ok, gotta tweak a little my pi's php.ini and sleep
[22:49] <poli> gordonDrogon no?
[22:49] <djazz> MrOpposite: yes jag ??r svensk
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> poli, no. no line numbers either.
[22:49] <poli> no renum?!
[22:49] <poli> always leave 10 numbers, if you need to add something later
[22:49] <djazz> put something fun on!
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> I have renumber command, but it's not needed unless you use line numbers.
[22:50] <MrOpposite> uhhh
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> example: http://unicorn.drogon.net/snake.rtb
[22:50] <MrOpposite> DAMN
[22:50] <djazz> yeaaah, lugna favoriter xD
[22:50] <djazz> XDDD
[22:50] <MrOpposite> Didn't have incognito last time
[22:50] <MrOpposite> you... no longer defaults to youtube...
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[22:51] <poli> gordonDrogon so many memories
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> MY basic can do recursion too.
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> e.g. a reversed string is the last character of the string, followed by the rest of the string, reversed.
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> it can do that.
[22:52] <akk> "my basic" is the real problem with basic -- there are so many of them, not one language.
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/rev.rtb
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> akk, true.
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> there is an ANSI standard though - well 2 - one is a cut-down version.
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[22:53] <gordonDrogon> but most basics do the right stuff - 10 print "I'm cool" / 20 goto 10 ...
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[22:53] <gordonDrogon> the rest is just fluff ;-)
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[22:55] <akk> I'm not really sure, in this modern age, that it's helping someone to get them used to line numbers and "goto 10"
[22:55] <akk> though I also don't agree with the people who claim it messes you up permanently. :)
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> teachers mess you up...
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> I appear to have been lucky and had teachers that encouraged me to use basic, assembler, fortran, IMP, pascal, C, etc.
[22:58] <akk> I never actually had programming teachers.
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[22:58] <MrOpposite> djazz, the omx-radio don't work for some reason....
[22:58] <djazz> MrOpposite: works fine
[22:58] <jami> is there a special rpi gpio channel or should i ask here?
[22:58] <djazz> im watching Lore smth
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[22:58] <djazz> on my HDMI monitor
[22:58] <djazz> now it restarted
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> jami, here is ok
[22:58] <akk> jami: I'd love to see a channel like that.
[22:59] <MrOpposite> ...
[22:59] <MrOpposite> oh
[22:59] <akk> But there would probably only be 3 people on it. :)
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[22:59] <MrOpposite> it's a remote control for YOU
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[22:59] <djazz> yay tombstone!
[22:59] <djazz> yes
[22:59] <djazz> thats the point
[22:59] * MrOpposite feels stupid
[22:59] <djazz> go download it and try it out ;)
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[22:59] <djazz> from your phone or so
[22:59] <MrOpposite> Nah, I don't have a spare memorycard
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[23:00] <MrOpposite> and I just got my raspbmc working as it should
[23:00] <MrOpposite> so I don't want to screw with that setup
[23:00] <djazz> ;D
[23:00] <MrOpposite> I'm having a thought of creating something like this
[23:00] <MrOpposite> using the libspotify library
[23:01] <MrOpposite> which nowdays work with armHF
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[23:01] <djazz> MrOpposite: check out Respotify by Haxxeh
[23:01] <djazz> its a python api
[23:01] <MrOpposite> cool
[23:01] <MrOpposite> http://community.spotify.com/t5/Spotify-Ideas/armhf-Spotify-library-for-DIY-projects/idc-p/241872#M16229
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[23:02] <jami> i have a tsop 48xx. Its direct connected to 3.3 gnd and gpio 18. I compiled the kernel with lirc_rpi support. Loaded with insmod. Then running mode2 -d /dev/lirc0 to see raw input signal but i only got a output while remove/add voltage. Multimeter says that there are constant 3.3v on input. So the question is. Did i need an opamp to invert the signal?
[23:02] <djazz> wow sweet
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[23:02] <MrOpposite> I wish I had an extra SD-card
[23:02] <jami> u have usb
[23:03] <MrOpposite> I also have an sd-card reader on my laptop
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[23:03] <MrOpposite> and some harddrive
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[23:03] <MrOpposite> I'm just gonna dd myself an image and play around
[23:03] <poli> Someone using Xemonai has anything bad to say about that Pi/Xenomai combination? :)
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[23:04] <djazz> MrOpposite: my pi collection: http://i.imgur.com/jxDn0wb.jpg
[23:04] <earl2> i am developing something for the pi but dont have one yet. would it make sense to try to run the image in a vm (incl qemu) on my pc? is that possible?
[23:05] <poli> earl2 depends a lot on what you are developing and what resources you need to use IMHO
[23:05] <MrOpposite> djazz, cool, I want a new one to use for playing
[23:05] <MrOpposite> since I only have one, and that one is my media center
[23:06] <jami> with ir remote?
[23:06] <MrOpposite> no, my TV dont have CEC support
[23:06] <MrOpposite> however I have a tivo slide waiting for me on my local post office
[23:06] <jami> i want to use the dead keys on my remote
[23:06] <poli> MrOpposite: what software/distro are you using for your media center?
[23:06] <MrOpposite> poli, raspbmc
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[23:07] <earl2> well, i meant things like getting familiar with the interface, source control for development, just general things i would do over ssh
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[23:16] <MrOpposite> dd... it's a good command
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[23:17] <piney0> anyone here using an adafruit cobbler?
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[23:19] <piney0> i have the 3v3 and ground from one side going to the power rail on the breadboard, and the same thing on the other side for 5v and ground. should i conect the two grounds together through the breadboard instead of relying on the 26 pin cable and the pi to loop the grounds together? i don't know if that has a chance of decreasing noise or increasing it
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[23:20] <gordonDrogon> piney0, I have 2 of them...
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[23:21] <gordonDrogon> piney0, it really doesn't matter for stuff on a breadboard.
[23:21] <piney0> this is actually the adafruit perma protoboard for the raspberry pi, but the same question. (i have both)
[23:21] <piney0> i wasn't sure
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> I have a pack of 3 of them too.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> the mini ones.
[23:22] <piney0> this is the fullsize one, and im running out of room already
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[23:22] <gordonDrogon> I'd probably solder a wire from one ground line on the top of the board to one on the bottom.
[23:22] <piney0> that's what i was thinking. thanks
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[23:24] <piney0> one more question for you, would you rely on the built-in pull up / down resistors, or roll your own on an add-on board? either method preferred?
[23:25] <MrOpposite> piney0, try connecting a 5v pin to a 3.3v and see what happens :D
[23:25] <pksato> GPIO are settings to do pull up or pull down, carefull read doc about GPIO functions.
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[23:25] <MrOpposite> There's no way it could go wrong! </sarcasm>
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[23:27] <MrOpposite> Why didn't I download the image while I was creating my own?
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[23:29] <gordonDrogon> piney0, 100% rely on the built-in ones.
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[23:29] <gordonDrogon> and on that note, I'm off to zed.
[23:30] <MrOpposite> not sure if dd with bs=1G was a good idea
[23:30] <MrOpposite> but oh well
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[23:32] <djazz> XD
[23:32] <djazz> bs = buffer size?
[23:32] <djazz> :D
[23:32] <MrOpposite> blocksize I think
[23:32] <MrOpposite> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_(Unix)#Block_size yup
[23:34] <MrOpposite> I usually have 1M as blocksize
[23:34] <MrOpposite> but now I wanted to generate a 4G big file
[23:34] <MrOpposite> so I did dd bs=1G count=4 if=/dev/zero of=test.img
[23:34] <MrOpposite> (wanted to see if I could partition a file...)
[23:35] <mdik> MrOpposite: and, could you?
[23:35] <MrOpposite> yup
[23:35] <MrOpposite> no problems at all
[23:35] <mdik> MrOpposite: like, you mount it and the partition it?
[23:36] <MrOpposite> oh, I never tried to create a filesystem
[23:36] <mdik> wait, no.
[23:36] <mdik> then what do you mean by partition?
[23:36] <MrOpposite> but fdisk was able to create a partitiontable and such
[23:36] <mdik> now i see
[23:37] <MrOpposite> cool
[23:37] <MrOpposite> uhm, brb, have to borrow my keyboard in order to setup my rpi
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[23:43] <mac-> hey
[23:43] <mdik> i'm still pondering how to manage filesharing between my main computer and the raspberry
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[23:44] <MrOpposite> nfs?
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[23:44] <mdik> because the raspberry is mainly for tinkering and it has a 24/7 connection to the web (and acts as a server) it can't be considered "secure", so files can only be stored encrypted ??? if i want to store them on the rpi
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[23:48] <mdik> maybe nfs to gain access to a file that is dm-encrypted and then mounted as loopdevice
[23:48] <mdik> or sth
[23:48] <mdik> i really shouldnt be on the internet right now... good night
[23:48] <MrOpposite> I should probably password protect my server...
[23:49] <MrOpposite> At the moment, my whole downloads folder is public
[23:49] <rikkib> Where
[23:49] <rikkib> haha
[23:49] <MrOpposite> yeah, right
[23:49] <mdik> sharing is caring
[23:49] <rikkib> Yeah
[23:49] <TAFB> I have a "sharing is caring" tshirt :)
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[23:50] <rikkib> I care
[23:50] <rikkib> ftp://zlham.geek.nz
[23:51] <TAFB> My sharing is caring: http://ecuflashking.com/utorrent.png
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[23:52] <TAFB> Welcome the ZL Ham FTP server. Anonymous read only access.
[23:52] <TAFB> nice ;)
[23:53] <djazz> gotta share, gotta care http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVNI9jeFK4
[23:54] <TAFB> brb. dinner :)
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