#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-22

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[0:13] <TAFB> yummm
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[0:32] <MrOpposite> agrajag?
[0:32] <MrOpposite> HG2G?
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[0:34] <Torikun> omg MLP lol
[0:34] <Torikun> BRONY ALERT
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[1:19] <rawsted> i still can't log in to my pi ><
[1:19] <pronto> :(
[1:19] <pronto> send it to me
[1:21] <Opinie> rawsted: just got your pi?
[1:21] <pronto> woot woot, got tracking number for raspberry pi i ordered :D
[1:21] <rawsted> Opinie: no actually, it's been sitting around for a while. it's a model b with 256mb ram
[1:21] <Opinie> did you try the default username + password?
[1:21] <pronto> i thought all medel b had 512
[1:21] <Opinie> pronto: nah, the early ones came with just 256
[1:22] <Opinie> I have one of those as well
[1:22] <pronto> ah
[1:22] <rawsted> Opinie: of course. i confirmed my keyboard layout as well. i dunno what's up
[1:22] <rawsted> pi // raspberry
[1:22] <Opinie> yeah
[1:22] <rawsted> no go via console or ssh
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[1:22] <rawsted> using the latest raspbian wheezy image
[1:23] <Opinie> rawsted: maybe just reflash, if you've done nothing too important on the pi thus far?
[1:23] <rawsted> Opinie: i've done nothing at all. i can't log into it. i've reflashed once already :\
[1:23] <rawsted> i guess i'll do it again
[1:24] <Opinie> very odd your problem is
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[1:29] <Opinie> rawsted: how did you confirm your keyboard layout, if you can't login? and does the pi even respond to ssh?
[1:29] <navaismo> Hi, is there a fix/workaround with the annoying usb disconnection? Even using a external powered HUB the board lost the connection. I have 2 boards and happens with both, tested with Keyboards, Mouse, WebCam, Wifi Dongle, USB Sticks.
[1:31] <rawsted> Opinie: well, i typed a bunch of crap into the username field at the login prompt, and it came out as i expected
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[1:34] <Opinie> rawsted: ok
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[1:35] <Opinie> rawsted: wish I could help you but I'm knee-deep studying for an EU law exam, so can't atm.. ;P
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[1:36] <rawsted> no worries Opinie, thanks anyway. good luck on your exam !
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[1:36] <Daddyfix> Hi All
[1:36] <Daddyfix> I have a question.
[1:36] <Daddyfix> Has anyone used owncloud on the pi?
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[1:41] <Coburn> Does any brits here watch QI with Steven Fry?
[1:41] <Coburn> british people*
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[1:41] <Daddyfix> notme
[1:41] <Armand> .o/
[1:42] <Armand> Occasionally..
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[1:44] <Daddyfix> Has anyone used owncloud on the pi?
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[1:45] <Opinie> Daddyfix: have you tried google? or are you having some problem with owncloud?
[1:46] <Daddyfix> Well i tried google. and am having aliitle trouble.
[1:46] <Opinie> k, I haven't tried it or anything
[1:47] <Daddyfix> I am using a 4GB SD and I ran out of space eventhough I have attached and sucessfully mapped an external drive. I think I have to change the default data location..
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[1:48] <Opinie> Daddyfix: so you want to run the pi from an external usb disk or something?
[1:49] <Daddyfix> Kinda. I have connected a external HDD and am using SqueezePlug image
[1:49] <Opinie> so what is it that you want to do?
[1:52] <Opinie> Daddyfix: do you want to boot from the external HDD?
[1:53] <Daddyfix> Im trying to have the owncloud use external storage for data... I just read I have to change the config/config.php file for datadir
[1:53] <Daddyfix> im gonna try that.
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[2:21] <Octupus3> I have connected RPi with arduino
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[2:31] <Daddyfix> Ok... Looks like I figured it out.
[2:33] <Daddyfix> If someone installs owncloud on the PI with a 4GB SD Card. they have to change the initial settings of DATA folder and SQLITE location to a mounted External location and then it works. Otherwise the DB will fill up the SD in not time and the whole owncloud will freeeze and Apache will not even start
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[2:34] <Daddyfix> Change the Inital settings when you use the WEBUI after Install. Ebter Usr and Pass then clikc ADVANCED and Set the DATA Folder to external and SQLLITE to external.
[2:34] <Daddyfix> hope this helps someone
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[2:41] <Opinie> Daddyfix: of course, you could just install the whole system on an external disk and just boot from the SD card, right?
[2:41] <aDro> Bought an Xbox Live webcam for $5 from kijiji
[2:41] <aDro> Going to see if it works with the Pi
[2:42] <Daddyfix> Hmmm. I dunno.. I guess to.. But I really done know how to do that. I used SqueezePlug. I guess I could install the owncloud www root on the Ext Hdd. Yeah. I understand
[2:42] <Daddyfix> Is that what you mean
[2:43] <Opinie> umm.. not really
[2:43] <Opinie> I'm not sure what squeezeplug is, is it an operating system?
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[2:44] <Daddyfix> Its a slim down image for Media servers and Player and a few other like Genie9 and owncloud
[2:44] <Opinie> Daddyfix: right, well I don't know how you would do this using squeezeplug
[2:45] <Daddyfix> Well. It was fun setting it up. Now can I remember what I did ???? LOL
[2:46] <Opinie> but in raspbian you can do this: flash image of the OS on both the SD and the external HD you wish to use. Edit cmdline.txt (or whatever its name is) and change the bit where the path to the memory card is to a path leading to the external disk
[2:46] <Opinie> then you may need to resize the external disk
[2:46] <Opinie> but that's quite simple
[2:46] <Daddyfix> Wow. Cool ... So I could boot my whole Image from Ext HDD?
[2:47] <Opinie> cmdline is on the boot partition of the SD card, the fat partition
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[2:47] <Daddyfix> I think I know what u are talking abouit
[2:47] <Opinie> Daddyfix: no that's precisely what you can't do. you need to boot from the SD, but you can have your actual operating system on the external HDD
[2:48] <Daddyfix> So I boot from SD then kernel gets the rest from cmdline and refers to Ext hdd for os? Is that right?
[2:48] <Daddyfix> Ok.. I get that... interesting. Thats really cool.
[2:49] <Opinie> I'm quite a noob and don't know what kernel has to do with the whole process
[2:49] <Opinie> but yeah
[2:49] <Daddyfix> Wow. Im gonna try that when i have time
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[2:49] <GabrialDestruir> Seems I can't get the permissions right on my external hdd for owncloud to use it... I'm half tempted to reformat ext4 but that'd make using the drive with windows directly harder
[2:50] <Opinie> Daddyfix: if you just flash the OS image on the external disk, it'll actually creates two partitions so remember to take that into account when editing cmdline
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[2:50] <Daddyfix> What r u having trouble with I just did the PI owncloud thing
[2:50] <Opinie> Daddyfix: so the path is probably something like /dev/sda2 or something
[2:50] <Daddyfix> yes I see
[2:50] <Daddyfix> Opinie: I understand
[2:50] <Joeboy> I just wrote a blog post about my project. Constructive feedback welcome: http://www.joebutton.co.uk/blog/baremetal-midi-lv2-raspberrypi/
[2:51] <Daddyfix> What r u having trouble with
[2:51] <Joeboy> I'm extremely tired, so it probably makes no sense whatsoever
[2:51] <Opinie> Daddyfix: aite
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[2:52] <Daddyfix> JOeboy: Nice tunes!!! I Love it
[2:52] <Daddyfix> What ru touching to change the music?
[2:52] <GabrialDestruir> The issue is I can't get owncloud to use my ext hdd for storage.
[2:53] <Daddyfix> Ok.. I just did this an hour ago...
[2:53] <Daddyfix> This is what I did
[2:53] <Daddyfix> Which image are you using on PI?
[2:54] <GabrialDestruir> raspbmc
[2:54] <Joeboy> Daddyfix: Thanks. It's just a gpio input with a bit of wire floating off it. I don't really understand why just touching it triggers it, but I don't care too much as long as it works.
[2:54] <Daddyfix> Ok.. i did my using SqueezePlug but its prob close to the same.
[2:54] <Joeboy> Daddyfix: It's actually quite cool, but only accidentally
[2:54] <Daddyfix> joeboy: Neat
[2:54] <Joeboy> something to do with pull-up resistors or something I expect
[2:55] <Daddyfix> Gab: Step 1 Install fresh copy of owncloud
[2:56] <Daddyfix> Gab: Step 2 - Make sure you have mounted the external HDD. Should be in /mnt/YOUR_EXT
[2:56] <Daddyfix> Gab: Step 3 - Open browser on computer and connect to https://YOUR_PI_IP_ADDRESS/owncloud
[2:56] <apo> owncloud is buggy :|
[2:57] <Daddyfix> apo - Yeah it is a little. whats an alternative?
[2:57] <apo> Daddyfix: Open source? No idea
[2:57] <apo> Daddyfix: I've started using spideroak
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[2:57] <Daddyfix> Gab: Step 3 - Enter Username, Password (Your Choice) and then CLICK ADVANCED
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[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> Yes yes I've been through all this, I can't access the ext hdd using owncloud any ANY method
[2:58] <Daddyfix> Gab: Step 4 - Point your DATA Folder to your mounted ext hdd (ie. /mnt/hd2/owncloud/data)
[2:59] <Daddyfix> Gab: Step 5 - Point 2 DAtabse. /mnt/hd2/owncloud/database
[2:59] <Daddyfix> gab: Thats it.. I worked for me. I had to restart apache2 a few times once I changed the settings
[3:00] <BigShip> Hey, is anyone else having trouble with apt-get update?
[3:01] <Daddyfix> apo: I tried PolKast... but on my Ubuntu. It would be intersting to see if someone installs it on PI. It has IOS App /Android/and MAC/Windoze apps
[3:01] <Daddyfix> BigShip: Sorry have.tried
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[3:02] <BigShip> Daddyfix: keeps telling me the mirrors have all temporarily moved. Wondering if it's my university's firewall causing trouble or what
[3:02] <GabrialDestruir> If it were that easy I wouldn't be having an issue....
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[3:03] <plugwash> BigShip, can you post the exact errors you are getting
[3:03] <Daddyfix> Hmmm. Dont know dude.. Did you try and ping the server address. or port scan?
[3:04] <Daddyfix> GAB: Thats what I did. and its working. just might take a bit to index the files you have
[3:04] <BigShip> Oh weird... Yeah it's just my connection. Couldn't ping Google
[3:04] <Daddyfix> gn all
[3:04] <BigShip> Night
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[3:08] <BigShip> Oh god... My university's firewall thinks my raspberry Pi is a windows machine :/
[3:08] <BigShip> Nvm, thinks it's a Mac
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[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> dun Dun DUN!
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> Next it'll think it's hal9000
[3:11] <BigShip> Rofl. Anyone know why it might think that? It normally ignores Linux machines
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[3:14] <Lisa_Fox> :-D "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, 1949
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[3:16] <GabrialDestruir> Wait wait....
[3:17] <GabrialDestruir> My computer has 0 vacuum tubs and only was maybe 10 pounds.....
[3:17] <GabrialDestruir> What does that make it? >.>
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[3:18] <Lisa_Fox> Sometimes perdictions can be off, because it is hard to see beyond what we see at the time we see it
[3:19] <GabrialDestruir> and nothing.... I've even added both the pi group and root group to www-data user and nada
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[3:21] <_yac_> vacuum tubes are fantastic, but imo its heresy to make them to digital signals
[3:22] <_yac_> that, btw, is also why i love CRT's so much and still keep one as my main display for my HT. tubes, baby
[3:22] <Lisa_Fox> Valves are super for Analog Circuits though
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[3:38] <JasonRazn> Does anyone know if a GA release date has been set for Fedora 18 ARM Rasberry Pi ?
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[3:41] <Armand> Yup...
[3:41] <Armand> The guys working on it.. they know.
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[3:43] <Torikun> That be nice
[3:43] * plugwash remembers reading an article in EPE that claimed you could get the sound of a valve amplifier by using a FET but using it in a configuration normally used with valves rather than those typically used in modern FET based amplifiers
[3:43] <Torikun> dunno if I will ditch arch for it
[3:43] <Armand> JasonRazn, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=24675&p=260652
[3:44] * plugwash wonders why the fedora guys had so much trouble
[3:45] <Torikun> F18 has a lot of complaints
[3:45] <Torikun> lol
[3:45] <Torikun> normal Fedora release
[3:45] <Armand> ^
[3:45] <Torikun> The installer for example is pretty but not useful
[3:45] <pronto> so my raspberry pi should be here in two days :D
[3:45] <Torikun> Great!
[3:45] <Armand> Only use Fedora if you like fixing stuff.... frequently. :P
[3:45] <Torikun> Whta will ou do pronto
[3:45] <Torikun> lol
[3:45] <pronto> porn o.o
[3:45] <Torikun> lol
[3:46] <Torikun> starring you?
[3:46] <Torikun> lol
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[3:46] <pronto> nope, starring Torikun in the restroom
[3:46] <pronto> with a cup
[3:46] <Torikun> lol
[3:46] <plugwash> I mean the foundation were saying fedora was going to be the primary distro and they supposedly had a team at some university working on it, but there were a load of delays, then reports of big problems when they finally did produce an image and then the foundation queitly moved back in the debian direction (which is fine by me.......)
[3:46] * Torikun almost done compuling gentoo in VirtualBox
[3:47] <Torikun> oh
[3:47] <pronto> just use debain
[3:47] <plugwash> meanwhile mike and I were starting to rebuild debian to produce raspbian.........
[3:48] <Torikun> I should try raspian now since I have a usb keyboard. It did not work with my wireless keyboard after I flashed the SD
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[3:51] <GabrialDestruir> Meh still can't figure this out.
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[3:53] <JasonRazn> I like fedora a lot. It is my preferred distro. Granted it does need some attention for RPi.
[3:54] <pronto> so, for SD cards, are class 10 reccomended, or would a lower class be okay?
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[3:55] <Torikun> i wish centos was for the pi
[3:55] <Torikun> i would be happy
[3:56] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not sure if it's still an issue, but for the longest time Class 10 cards had major issues
[3:56] <FrankBlues> pronto, I've got a class 10 for Raspbian, and class 4's for other stuff (RiscOS, Plan 9) and I do notice a speed difference.
[3:56] <JasonRazn> Pronto... I have used crappy SDcards C4... and then used a USB HDD.
[3:56] <Triffid_Hunter> pronto: there was a discussion here last night which suggested that class 6 might be better
[3:56] <pronto> intersting
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[3:57] <Triffid_Hunter> pronto: basically the gist of it is, class 10 enforces a higher consecutive write rate, but relaxes random write compared to class 6. random write is the biggest factor for the "feel" of how fast a card is in this particular context
[3:57] <pronto> o_o
[3:57] <pronto> wlel then
[3:57] <Triffid_Hunter> consecutive write is ideal for recording video, not used quite so much when running an operating system :)
[3:58] <pronto> what about mirco sd with an adapter?
[3:58] <Triffid_Hunter> pronto: should work fine, although it's one more set of contacts in a high speed data path so will be slightly less reliable
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[4:01] <pronto> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161385 anyone ever use this brand? WinTec
[4:02] <_yac_> anyone playing around with using a raspberry pi to do stuff with/communicate with stellaris LM4F120XL eval boards?
[4:02] <Triffid_Hunter> pronto: I got a random card from my local supermarket, works fine
[4:03] <Triffid_Hunter> _yac_: I have both sitting here at the moment, haven't played with the stellaris yet though
[4:03] <Triffid_Hunter> _yac_: I've hooked my rpi to a cortex-m3 a few times, worked great
[4:03] <pronto> Triffid_Hunter: i'm gonna order a few, and i have a 10% off , and local places here are like $20 for 2GB ones
[4:03] <_yac_> cool!
[4:04] <BigShip> hey, so I'm having an issue trying to install xbmc
[4:04] <_yac_> what i liked about it was that instead of getting an anemic arduino, i could get a real arm that could do real work
[4:05] <BigShip> I tried earlier and got blocked by my university firewall. Fixed that, but now when I try to install xbmc I get this error: "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[4:05] <_yac_> and i feel it's kind of the little brother of the rpi, even if it's a TI project, and all the mess that comes with that territory
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[4:05] <ParkerR> BigShip, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[4:06] <BigShip> Yeah, I did those as well
[4:06] <ParkerR> BigShip, Try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[4:06] <FrankBlues> BigShip, sudo apt-get install -f
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[4:06] <BigShip> FrankBlues: what does that do?
[4:06] <ParkerR> Held packages means smomething hasn't been updated to the newest version
[4:06] <FrankBlues> Fixes broken dependencies
[4:07] <FrankBlues> (It might work, it might not)
[4:07] <BigShip> ParkerR: it says I have 8 not upgraded after I run sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade
[4:08] <BigShip> sudo apt-get install -f
[4:08] <BigShip> oops, wrong window
[4:09] <plugwash> apt-get dist-upgrade is probablly what you are after, just always make sure to check what it proposes to do looks sane before saying yes
[4:09] <ParkerR> BigShip, 8 not upgraded means you need to do the dist-upgrade
[4:09] <tdy> can i connect a 2nd accelerometer to a single rpi? right now i've got a sensor hooked up to SDA/SCL/3V/GND and it's on /dev/i2c-1.. can i actually get something reading on /dev/i2c-0 also?
[4:09] <ParkerR> Then reboot
[4:09] <BigShip> ah, okay thanks!
[4:11] <HylianSavior> well tdy i2c is a bus
[4:11] <HylianSavior> you can add on as many i2c devices
[4:11] <HylianSavior> as you want
[4:11] <HylianSavior> to the same i2c pins
[4:12] <plugwash> HylianSavior, not really, you can have multiple devices but they all have to have different addreses
[4:12] <tdy> oh... so it goes directly on the same pins?
[4:12] <plugwash> and some devices have a limited range of addresses available
[4:12] <HylianSavior> well if you want two of the same accelerometers
[4:12] <HylianSavior> there is usually a pin you can sort
[4:12] <HylianSavior> short*
[4:12] <HylianSavior> to change the address
[4:12] <HylianSavior> but yes it will be limited
[4:14] <tdy> ok, i've still got it on a breadboard, so i'll experiment
[4:14] <tdy> thanks
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[4:39] <BigShip> Hey, so I'm kind of confused. I've had xbmc install in raspbian before, but now it's not working. Any idea what I could be doing wrong? "sudo apt-get install xbmc"
[4:43] <BigShip> Ah never mind I got it
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[4:49] <ParkerR> Haha yeah
[4:50] <ParkerR> Not in the repos
[4:53] <herdingcat> hi, why rpi cannot use upstream kernel?
[4:54] <ParkerR> http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation
[4:57] <herdingcat> ParkerR, I know that but does not explain why I cannot use a upstream kernel
[4:57] <ParkerR> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=26912
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[4:57] <ParkerR> Links to a repo with a 3.7.x kernel
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[5:00] <plugwash> same reason many other devices can't, because the required code to usefully support the Pi hasn't been merged yet
[5:01] <Triffid_Hunter> herdingcat: you could, but as plugwash says you'd need to merge a bunch of other stuff for it to work, and then you'd have the same thing as the posted repository
[5:01] <plugwash> bringing vendor code up to the standards of the upstream kernel maintainers and getting it merged is a long and slow process
[5:02] <Triffid_Hunter> it's probably for the best, I've seen enough vendor code to harbor a deep suspicion of it
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[5:16] <m^rk> it'ss wasteful/redundant to make an attribute for a vertex since gl passes in the vertex to the vertex shader anyway, right?
[5:16] <m^rk> oops wrong chan
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[5:31] <rikkib> Total fire ban in the district and the firemen are down the farm at the back of my property putting out a deliberately lite fire at the firewood place. Bet that is going to cost them.
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[6:56] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if it's possible to create a powered USB hub to be used by two separate rPi's that would automatically switch back and forth between the two using software commands.
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[7:04] <mikey_w> http://www.usbswitch.com/
[7:05] <mikey_w> Here's one.
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[7:11] <Gorroth> interesting, freebsd is on the rpi now
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[7:12] <axion> now?
[7:13] <rymate1234> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3094
[7:13] <rymate1234> yup
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[7:16] <axion> the project has existed for a long while
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[7:19] <dape> netbsd too, cool.
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[7:22] <aDro> In a .conf file what does a semicolon (;) nefore a command mean? Some type of comment, or Parameter requirement?
[7:22] <Triffid_Hunter> aDro: comment usually
[7:23] <aDro> Just a different comment compared to the #?
[7:23] <aDro> Stand out
[7:23] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah something like that, depends on what's reading the config of course
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[7:35] <randomdev> I dont suppose anyone can tell me if xbian xbmc can share library database with xbmc eden on atv2 ? (I tried openelec but they are different versions)
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[8:42] <aDro> Can I give myself root access in GUI File Manager?
[8:42] <aDro> So I can copy files?
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[8:47] <Coburn> You should be able to
[8:48] <legitnick1> just open the file manager from the root terminal
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[8:57] <GabrialDestruir> I think owncloud on a rPi is just too slow to work to share terabytes of information.
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[9:13] <Davespice> morning folks
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[9:14] <cdan> good morning
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[9:16] <andoma> morning
[9:17] <randomdev> afternoon
[9:17] <aDro>
[9:17] <aDro> That's my Pi!
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[9:19] <randomdev> how can i view pi temperature from console ?
[9:19] <aDro> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[9:20] <randomdev> heh mine is 53 also
[9:26] <randomdev> whats the best distro if i want to run xbmc but also screw around with other stuff and perhaps use xwindows ?
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[9:28] <shiftplusone> xbian, raspbmc, or maybe raspbian or arch if you can install xbmc yourself.
[9:29] <randomdev> does x work on the latest xbian alpha ?
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[9:31] <shiftplusone> don't know, haven't used anything other than raspbian, arch and openelec
[9:31] <Davespice> randomdev: you're probably better off having multiple SD cards
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[9:32] <randomdev> yeah i think you are right
[9:32] <Davespice> just think of them as cartridges :)
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[9:32] <randomdev> rasbian be the best to put on largest sd ? or would xbmc benefit at all from a larger sd ?
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[9:33] <shiftplusone> depends on how you plan to access your media.
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[9:33] <randomdev> from a nas
[9:33] <aDro> berryboot is a decent boot loader
[9:33] <shiftplusone> then it doesn't matter, you'll need more space for your main OS
[9:34] <aDro> one sd card
[9:34] * shiftplusone kicks himself for not polishing up xecloader
[9:34] <randomdev> i know openelecs version of xbmc isnt compatible with the mysql database that atv2 with eden uses, dont suppose you know if xbians would work ?
[9:35] <shiftplusone> I had openelec, raspbian and arch multiboot working ages ago but didn't think people would be interested since you can swap sd cards pretty quickly anyway. Now berryboot is all the rage, heh =D
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[9:37] <shiftplusone> randomdev, flashing a card doesn't take long, you may as well just give it a go.
[9:37] <randomdev> yeah doing it now
[9:37] <randomdev> its the setting up database links and checking that takes a while
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[9:46] <randomdev> hmm nice looks like xbian works
[9:48] <shiftplusone> yay
[9:48] <randomdev> but xbian didnt want to run from the 16gb sd card :/
[9:48] <shiftplusone> why not?
[9:49] <randomdev> no idea just wont boot
[9:49] <shiftplusone> hm
[9:49] <randomdev> when i write to 4gb card it works fine
[9:49] <randomdev> gunna try berryboot on bigger card
[9:49] <Jck_true> randomdev: Some cards are just nutoriously bad :/
[9:50] <randomdev> it seemed to work fine on rasbian
[9:53] <randomdev> could also just be how i am installing it to sd card i guess
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[10:05] <randomdev> any ideas how to make xbian 1.0 alpha 3 boot from 16gb sd card?
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[10:07] <bitethecoin> Hello :)
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[10:11] <bitethecoin> 3 days till I could buy a Pi :)
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[10:12] <Joeboy> Morning
[10:12] <bacilla> bitethecoin, why 3 days?
[10:12] <bitethecoin> cause I am broke the next 2 days? =)
[10:13] <bitethecoin> But I am somewhat unsure if it is what I should use money on.
[10:15] <neilr> I'd suggest beer & curry
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[10:15] <gordonDrogon> Mmmmm curry ...
[10:16] <bitethecoin> eh heh
[10:16] <bitethecoin> or a few trips to McDonalds :)
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> Yuk.
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> No. save 30 quid and buy a Pi!
[10:17] <bitethecoin> or a new 8 GB memory stick so I can run 3 more VPS'es off my high-end system :)
[10:17] <bitethecoin> RAM-stick*
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> you could run raspbian in qemu and pretend it's a Pi...
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> but it won't be a Pi.
[10:18] <bitethecoin> who runs linux on ha high-end gamer PC *-*
[10:19] <Joeboy> May I re-pimp my project blog-post, as everybody was probably asleep when I pimped it last night: http://www.joebutton.co.uk/blog/baremetal-midi-lv2-raspberrypi/
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[10:22] <Xark> Joeboy: Impressive! Doesn't even sound too bad on the video (given what you say about the oscillator).
[10:22] <Joeboy> Xark: Putting it through that big guitar amp was kind of flattering
[10:23] <Xark> Joeboy: I have heard much worse homebrew synth projects. :) How are you generating the audio for each instrument type?
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[10:24] <Joeboy> Xark: https://github.com/Joeboy/pixperiments/blob/master/pitracker/plugins/piano/piano.c
[10:25] <Xark> Joeboy: I see. Waveform + envelope + tremolo effect.
[10:26] <Joeboy> Xark: Yeah, the three plugins are all basically variations on that
[10:26] <Xark> Joeboy: I did something similar with a four voice PCM audio generator for AVR, but I don't have any music for it (I wanted it for game sound effects). :)
[10:26] <Xark> Joeboy: However, bare-metal Pi is very neat.
[10:27] <Joeboy> Cool. Getting it to play midi files was surprisingly easy - I found some code I could more or less just drop in
[10:27] <Joeboy> Xark: It is. I'm kind of surprised more people don't get excited by the idea of baremetal pi programming
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[10:28] <Xark> Joeboy: It seems to have a bit of a following, but it is not for the faint of heart. :)
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> bitethecoin, I don't have a 'gamer PC', but I note that Steam are now envouraging people to move from Windows to Linux!
[10:29] <bitethecoin> Steam, yes, but non-steam games is worse ;)
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[10:29] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yep. And soon they'll be selling a Linux game console for the TV. :)
[10:29] <randomdev> argh why do some distro boot fine from 16gb sd but other wont :/
[10:29] <Joeboy> Xark: I don't think it's inherently any less suited to it than the arduino, msp430 etc, and they have big followings
[10:30] <bitethecoin> those which wine wont take. Anyways, just stating I wont be able to use linux as primary os :/
[10:30] <Joeboy> Well, I guess it's a *bit* less suited
[10:30] <Joeboy> but still quite well suited
[10:30] <Xark> Joeboy: Well, I hear what you are saying, but it is much harder to take advantage of all the Pi features bare metal than those MCUs. :)
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[10:30] <Joeboy> Xark: Yeah, but they don't have most of the features at all
[10:30] <Xark> Joeboy: I understand.
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> Mmm Fractal cauliflower...
[10:31] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: romanesco
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> :)
[10:31] <Xark> I enjoyed that graphic also. :)
[10:31] <Joeboy> I'm glad people notice these things
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> If going bare metal, why not hook up a decent dual 16-bit D/A via the GPIO?
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[10:32] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: I totally want to do that, just haven't got a round tuit
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> then you can synthesize waves and throw them at the hardware ...
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> ok
[10:32] <Joeboy> and it's probably time I got on with the rest of my life a bit
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> know that feeling :)
[10:33] <Jck_true> Think I fried my SPI :( Only generates 0.25V peaks :(
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[10:33] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: I also want to port it to stellaris and linux, port more plugins, connect up a midi keyboard to the uart and about a million other things
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, how?
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[10:33] <gordonDrogon> Joeboy, you might struggle with midi on the uart - not sure it's possible to get the standard baud.
[10:34] <Jck_true> Jck_true: I *might* have accidentially supplied 5V to my 3V3 SPI display when I first connected it....
[10:34] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: Oh, that's bad news. I hoped it might be easy
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[10:35] <gordonDrogon> I'd read some things about it - you might have to poke the hardware directly & fiddle with the clock generator.
[10:35] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: Does that apply to both uarts (I think we have two)?
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> why they picked such a weird baud rate is anyones guess.
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> don't think you can get access to the 2nd one.
[10:35] <randomdev> hmm seems copying over the elf files and config.txt made it boot from 16gb sd card
[10:35] <Joeboy> Hm, I think I've read you can
[10:36] <Joeboy> I think dwelch has code for both
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[10:36] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Good question. Wikipedia says "This nonstandard transmission rate was chosen because it is an exact division of 1 MHz, the speed at which many early microprocessors operated."
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> Xark, ah, so optimisation of the cpu clock to feed the uart rather than use a separate xtal ...
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> cheapskates :)
[10:37] <Xark> Apparently. I am more curious about why other baud rates are so wacky? :)
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> I did make a midi interface for the bbc micro once, but I really don't recall the details.
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[10:37] <gordonDrogon> mostly to do with mechanical devices I imagine, then just multiply it up.
[10:37] <Xark> I think it is some teletype standard extrapolated...
[10:37] <Xark> Or telegraph even
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> although even then the rates are not pure multiples. 75, 110, 300, 1200, 2400, 9600 ...
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[10:38] <gordonDrogon> actually, I think there's a 150 which would make sense.
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> so 110 is the odd one.
[10:39] <Xark> Yeah. Before people caught on to the goodness of powers of two. :)
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[10:40] <gordonDrogon> hard to make mechanical devices scale like that though.
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> although dot-matrix printers did get quite fast.
[10:40] <Joeboy> It's probably based on the width of Roman chariot wheels or something
[10:40] <dero> Hi
[10:40] <Joeboy> Hi
[10:40] <dero> anyone running a Wifi stick with a repeater?
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> I suspect 110 was the fastest the old TTY33's could do without dropping characters.
[10:41] <Xark> Joeboy: Good guess! :)
[10:41] <Davespice> I used to dero
[10:41] <Davespice> I've pretty much gone back to wired for everything now though, too much traffic on the 2.4 Ghz band these days (35 routers within range of my house)
[10:43] <dero> I have an edimax ew-7811un. Connecting directly to the base (Fritzbox 7270) works
[10:44] <dero> Connecting to a repeater (second Fritzbox 7270 or a Fritzbox 300E) does not work
[10:44] <dero> connecting all my other Wifi devices to the repeater also works
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> mostly wired here too. wifi for mobile devices only.
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[10:44] <dero> can someone recommend another Wifi stick for the Rpi?
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[10:51] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: https://github.com/dwelch67/raspberrypi/tree/master/uartx01 looks quite promising to me
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[11:03] <nid0> mmm, apache segfaulting on restart :s
[11:06] <andoma> https://developer.spotify.com/technologies/libspotify/ <- libspotify now available for armv6 hardfloat
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[11:11] <ZiGzAg_> andoma: whii
[11:11] <ZiGzAg_> finally
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[11:16] <paraita> dero: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=Ralink%205370&_sop=7
[11:16] <paraita> this one supports master mode
[11:17] <paraita> netgear N150 is also supported OOTB
[11:21] <dero> what is master mode and OOTB?
[11:21] <dero> OOTB = out of the box, okay.
[11:24] <paraita> dero: master mode allows your card to behave as a access point
[11:25] <dero> I see, but my problem is connecting to a repeater
[11:26] <dero> paraita, did you try to connect your stick to a repeater?
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[11:26] <paraita> no, sorry dero
[11:27] <dero> I don't understand why it's failing
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[11:35] <randomdev> long shot but you could try lowering your mtu
[11:35] <paraita> you should check if your stick also fails on windows or osx, maybe it's the stick or the repeater
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[11:38] <Mortvert> Is RS having problems again? There are topics on forum saying that they are late with delivieries again :|
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[11:41] <SpeedEvil> snow?
[11:41] <SpeedEvil> yeah, that's it. Snow.
[11:41] <Mortvert> Snow doesn't have anything to do /w it
[11:41] <Mortvert> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=23 Take a look at this.
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[11:46] <Mortvert> D: I'm afraid that i'll have to wait until end of next week at this rate
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[11:52] <gordonDrogon> Joeboy, ah right. same pins, mapped to the 2nd UART.
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[11:54] <gordonDrogon> I got 2 Pi's delivered less than 18 hours after I placed the order last week. Ordered Friday afternoon, they came Saturday morning from Farnell.
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[11:58] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: Oh, bummer, I guess that means I can't debug with a console :-(
[11:59] <Joeboy> Is it not possible to assign the uarts to different pins?
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[12:03] <KRF> Mortvert: worked fine for me a week ago (germany). where do you live?
[12:03] <Mortvert> Just over west border, KRF. Poland.
[12:03] <Mortvert> East i mean.
[12:03] <Mortvert> Bah
[12:03] <KRF> ic. no idea then.
[12:07] <randomdev> any idea how i get spotify on xbian? I was following some guide but git clone git://github.com/Hexxeh/despotify.git -b raspberrypi <-- repository doesnt exist
[12:10] <mdik> randomdev: it doesnt. so you could either try any of the other despotify repos on github: https://github.com/search?q=despotify&ref=commandbar or ask hexxeh what is up that (s)he took it down.
[12:10] <randomdev> do i need a specific repository for xbian?
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[12:12] <mdik> randomdev: dont know, but Hexxeh is highlighted now...
[12:12] <randomdev> i sent him/her a message
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[12:16] <buruu> Hi, can anyone tell me how to adjust the screen resolution in raspbian?
[12:17] <buruu> Is there a config file somewhere?
[12:17] <linuxstb> buruu: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[12:17] <linuxstb> (/boot/config.txt)
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[12:20] <buruu> Ok, thank you. Can I add a custom resolution somewhere?
[12:21] <ParkerR> buruu, Just read that page
[12:24] <randomdev> hmm im guessing mmc0: missed completion of cmd 18 DMA is bad
[12:26] <Weaselweb> cmd18 is read multiple blocks, so yes that's bad
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[12:29] <buruu> I'm using a screen with the composite video output and my screen resolution is 800x480 which would make the aspect ratio 5:3 by my calculations, but there is no option for that in sdtv_aspect
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[12:39] <linuxstb> buruu: Aspect ratios aren't as simple as that. If 800x480 is full-screen, then the aspect ratio depends on the shape of your monitor. The pixels won't necessarily be square.
[12:41] <mjr> yeah, TV pixels generally aren't
[12:42] <mjr> sdtv, anyway
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[12:43] <gordonDrogon> Joeboy, there are some other pins but I don't think they're brought out - that's the issue...
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> buruu, 800x480 is probably not going to be very usable over compost video...
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> I got 640x480 OK on my TV and monitor.
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> and it was just about readable on the TV. OK on the monitor.
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[12:53] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: You're right, looks like I'd need gpio33 or gpio37, neither of which I can have :-(
[12:53] <Joeboy> That's really annoying
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[13:09] <mdik> what is it with me listening to death metal and writing small python scripts?
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[13:22] <ChaozHenchman> huh, I should have expected to get this from Amazon as well
[13:23] <ChaozHenchman> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009SQQF9C/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d3_i4?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1YRZ03ZGZRK58ESVESDM&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846
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[13:25] <randomdev> any idea what optimal memory split for xbmc is ?
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[13:29] <Jck_true> randomdev: the 256mb version needs half for GPU atleast - I assume it would be 128MB for the 512mb pi
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[13:31] <randomdev> for some reason i have to copy over start.elf every time or my sd card will not boot :/
[13:32] <randomdev> actualy maybe its bootcode.bin
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[13:34] <Joeboy> randomdev: I'd get a new SD card if I were you
[13:34] <randomdev> it is new :P
[13:34] <randomdev> for some reason xbian doesnt like this card but rasbian works fine
[13:34] <randomdev> i copied over bootcode.bin and elf files and it seemed to boot fine
[13:35] <xarxer_work> randomdev: Which card?
[13:35] <randomdev> sandisk 16gb 30 MB/S
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[13:36] <xarxer_work> randomdev: We've had the same issues with Arch Linux. And the problem definitely is in bootcode.bin, however, the issue was resolved the 16th of this month. So using a bleeding edge bootcode.bin is preferable
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[13:36] <xarxer_work> randomdev: With the old bootcode.bin, the 8Gb non-high speed SanDisk card works. The 16Gb high-speed ones does not..
[13:37] <randomdev> where can i find a really new bootcode.bin ?
[13:37] <bootc> arggg stop mentioning bootc ode.bin! :-)
[13:37] <randomdev> lol
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[13:38] <xarxer_work> randomdev: It should really be up to the distribution people to keep up with the firmware
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[13:38] <osfameron> bootc: /hilight -regex bootc\b
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[13:38] <randomdev> im using alpha 3, there is an alpha 4 but x windows doesnt work on that, so im using 3 :/
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[13:39] <osfameron> bootc: I had the same problem with people talking about macosforge and mosfets
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[13:39] <Datalink> http://hackaday.com/2013/01/22/raspberry-pi-plays-midi-without-an-operating-system/
[13:39] <bootc> heh :-)
[13:40] <osfameron> though dunno if it works on your whole nick (e.g. that might be highlighted anywhere by default, dunno)
[13:40] <Datalink> screw your OS issues with the pi and just run bare metal :P
[13:40] <Joeboy> Datalink: w00t!
[13:40] <osfameron> just that lazy people insist on calling my "osf" sometimes
[13:40] <xarxer_work> Create your own OS :p
[13:40] <Joeboy> It's actually much easier than you think
[13:40] <randomdev> hmm ok now it just doesnt want to boot at all.. maybe i fucked up the config
[13:40] <bootc> I like to see when people mention my site for example, just not bootcode.bin :-)
[13:41] <Davespice> Datalink: thats impressive, I like it
[13:41] <Joeboy> I spent years thinking malloc was some kind of arcane magic, but mine is like 3 lines (admittedly it's the worst malloc implementation ever)
[13:42] <Datalink> bootc, it's your fault for using a nick that's part of the bootloader :P no one discusses data link layers nymore :P
[13:42] <randomdev> does the config.txt have be in a certain order ?
[13:42] <xarxer_work> randomdev: Yes
[13:42] <Datalink> the joys of $5 ICs that handle that stuff
[13:42] <xarxer_work> Oh
[13:42] <xarxer_work> No
[13:42] <xarxer_work> randomdev: I read "certain folder"
[13:42] <xarxer_work> Order, no..
[13:43] <Datalink> randomdev, the bootloader should read the file for variables as it needs, so will not need to be sorted a certain way
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[13:44] <gordonDrogon> ah, Mr bootc ... how goes?
[13:44] <randomdev> maybe i will just have to lose xwindows
[13:44] <bootc> gordonDrogon: not too bad really ta, you?
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> bootc, yes, ok here in damp southish devon...
[13:46] <bootc> no less damp in North Devon :-)
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[13:48] <Joeboy> Snow seems to be melting here in Norfolk. Should probably go and enjoy it while it lasts.
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[13:48] <Joeboy> Yes, you heard me, I'm considering *going* *outside*
[13:48] <Joeboy> Wish me luck
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[13:51] <martk100> I am attempting to compile a program called EasyStroke. Predictably I am missing some dependencies. I need gtkmm-2.7 and dbus-glib-1. Are these available for the Rpi?
[13:52] <randomdev> ok i have no idea why this wont boot :/
[13:52] <Joeboy> martk100: Probably. Try apt-cache search gtkmm
[13:53] <martk100> joeboy: OK thanks I will try.
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[13:58] <Datalink> nearly -20C outside, my apartment's probably at 5-10C... right now >.<
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[14:30] <Davespice> is anyone here a network engineer? like a cisco engineer etc?
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[14:31] <Davespice> if so please pm me
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, -20? Cool! :)
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> 6C here... (outside)
[14:32] <Datalink> I have to walk everywhere >.<
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, network, but not cisco..
[14:32] <nid0> depends how good an engineer you need
[14:32] * gordonDrogon nods.
[14:32] <nid0> I know my way around most cisco gear but am not certified
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> I own 2 cisco devices...
[14:33] <Davespice> okay, well, its more of a general question really about how network topography works for ISPs et
[14:33] <Davespice> etc*
[14:33] <nid0> isp's specifically?
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[14:33] <nid0> obviously, network design varies depending on the task
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> it varys - nid0 and me might consider outselves ISPs, but we're at opposite ends of the scale/spectrum...
[14:33] <Davespice> yeah, I wanted to ask how they connect consumers to the internet
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> oh that kind of ISP.
[14:34] <Davespice> I was thinking that they have their own network first, which the consumer is connected to and that network provides a route to the internet proper
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> well I resell the services of another ISP that has the plumbing between BT and the Interweb.
[14:34] <Davespice> ah right I see
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> Home -> BT -> ISP -> Interweb.
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> ISP can be BT, or one of 100+ others on the UK.
[14:35] <TomWij> Davespice: http://superuser.com/questions/399300/who-provides-the-internet-service-to-internet-service-providers-isps/399304#399304
[14:35] <nid0> isp's specifically are typically a fairly flat network, broadly speaking its not much more than a few edge routers and radius servers sitting between bt's gear and the peering routes out to the world
[14:35] <Davespice> okay so if two people were on the same ISP, they would have less hops to get to each other than for a person who was on a different ISP where the link must go through the interweb?
[14:35] <nid0> Davespice: maybe, maybe not - depends on their geographic location and the isp
[14:36] <Davespice> right, I guess they would have localised networks
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> depends on the ISP..
[14:36] <nid0> if theyre in different places and the isp operates from multiple locations, they may have to either pass over the internet to get between the two, or at least over a private wan
[14:36] <Davespice> TomWij: thanks for that link!
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> it's all private in the UK AIUI.
[14:36] <nid0> if its a smaller isp that operates from one place and all customers wind up there then yes you're basically going to their network then back
[14:36] <Davespice> yeah and that way you don't even hit the internet proper
[14:37] <Jck_true> Might wanna read on Internet Exchange Points as well :) They are fascinating things
[14:37] <nid0> LINX is a rather big beast these days
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[14:38] <gordonDrogon> if I trace from my Enta connection to anothe Enta customer it goes my router -> LNS -> Enta Router -> LNS -> Customer.
[14:39] <Davespice> yeah that is ideal
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> LNS is effecticely the BT plumbing point.
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> I think in-theory it could stay inside the same LNS if we were both connected to the same one, but I suspect they want to take it back to another router to do accounting, management, etc.
[14:40] <Davespice> right
[14:40] <nid0> yeah realistically you're always going to go at least one system further than the LNS even if the ingress and egress route is the same
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> let me see if I can find one of my cliens on the same LNS as me.
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> Hm. no. found one that goes over even more hops.
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> but still inside entanet.
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[15:03] <chris_99> anyone applied to the Make UK faire?
[15:05] <pronto> chris_99: I SEE YOU
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[15:06] <chris_99> heh, what have you done with your RPI pronto
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> Newcastles a bit far for me.
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[15:07] <chris_99> aha, pity, you've got some nice things too that you could demo
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[15:11] <chris_99> so i was wondering if anyone can critique something i've entered to make sure i've got as much info as possible on it, http://openhydrometer.com/about
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[15:21] <arcanescu> a curious question, say i have an app on the sd card, id like to sell the sdcard as is with the firmware for other users, how would it be possible to protect/lock the sd card?
[15:22] <chris_99> with what firmware?
[15:22] <ReggieUK> define protect/lock the sd card
[15:22] <arcanescu> well it runs a wheezy distro if thats what your asking
[15:22] <arcanescu> protect/lock:others dont go about copying the sd card
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[15:23] <IT_Sean> you can't stop someone copying an SD card.
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[15:23] <steve_rox> :-p
[15:23] <chris_99> mm, yeah that's not gonna be possible
[15:23] <IT_Sean> Welcome to the open source community.
[15:23] <arcanescu> okay: stop someone from copying the program object file?
[15:23] <ReggieUK> dd if=/dev/sdb of=lolIgotURstuff.img
[15:24] <arcanescu> ReggieUK: exactly
[15:24] <IT_Sean> You cannot stop someone copying the card, or anything off of the card.
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[15:24] <chris_99> what are you trying to do arcanescu
[15:24] <ReggieUK> so you'd have to protect your software with copy protection of some description
[15:24] <erska> arcanescu: you can't stop if from being copied, but you could prevent your software from running if it isn't on the original SD card
[15:24] <ReggieUK> so that means putting serials etc.
[15:24] <steve_rox> the pi store may be a way not foolproof but i guess it looks nice
[15:25] <erska> lock it to the serial of the SD card
[15:25] <ReggieUK> not sure even that would work these days
[15:25] <steve_rox> sounds annoying , id be lookin for cracked versions :-P
[15:25] <chris_99> that'd be possible to bypass erska though
[15:25] <arcanescu> chris_99: i have a progarm, along with some libraries ive compiled, id like to distribute it. What i dont want is someone buys it and well thats the only one i sell :)
[15:25] <arcanescu> cause its copied
[15:25] <mjr> do sd cards have serials?
[15:26] <Mortvert> ain't gonna happen.
[15:26] <ReggieUK> does the program/libs contain gpl code etc.?
[15:26] <erska> yes, sd cards have a hardware serial number which can't be modified by the user
[15:26] <chris_99> arcanescu, that's gonna be very difficult
[15:26] <erska> that's what the commercial gps units etc. use for copy protection
[15:26] <IT_Sean> you will have to come up with your own copy protection scheme. Perhaps make the soffware freely downloadable, but require the purchase of a USB authentication dongle to actually USE it, or something.
[15:26] <mjr> user accessible ones?
[15:26] <erska> yeah, it can be read by user
[15:26] <arcanescu> ReggieUK: no GPL but some parts, LGPL.
[15:27] <ReggieUK> erska, those can be changed, google tells you how very quickly
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[15:27] <arcanescu> and under LGPL It is upto me to open source it or not
[15:27] <chris_99> mm, you can use LGPL libraries i guess in proprietry stuff
[15:27] <arcanescu> Sd cards have serial, thats the first ive heard....hmmm
[15:27] <arcanescu> chris_99: yes you can
[15:28] <ReggieUK> sd cards do have serials but they're about as safe as a mac address :D
[15:29] <Weaselweb> even if you USE LPGL in propl. software you have to provide sources for the LPGL part
[15:29] <arcanescu> ReggieUK: hmm.... this is one problem ive across, say an app on the PI, how does one sell it (safely) w/o this problem
[15:29] <arcanescu> Weaselweb: not really.
[15:29] <ReggieUK> one would put real software protection code into the program :)
[15:30] <arcanescu> hmmm that could be one way, ive worked with dongle protection, but they require external drivers wether they are compatible on the pi is another matter
[15:30] <ReggieUK> if there was an easy way to do it, sony, ms, etc. would already be doing it and not playing cat and mouse with the hackers
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[15:30] <mjr> of course, if you can check against the card serial, an attacker can read the original serial as well and quickly hack together something to report the original serial to the program regardless of what card is in use
[15:31] <ReggieUK> ^^ what mjr said
[15:31] <chris_99> exactly mjr
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[15:31] <Weaselweb> arcanescu: sure you have. you need to provide all sources and objects to enable the user to modify the LPGL software as hiws own and recreate the final binary
[15:31] <chris_99> you can just link to the LGPL sources can't you Weaselweb
[15:32] <arcanescu> Weaselweb: my LGPL knoweldge must be out of date then, cause the last time I read something different
[15:33] <mjr> chris_99, no
[15:33] <chris_99> can't you?!
[15:33] <chris_99> are you sure
[15:33] <mjr> no, it's your responsibility as the distributor to make sure the distributees do or can get the source. If you just point at some third party willy-nilly they may go down.
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[15:35] <ReggieUK> yup, for instance, leapfrog will give you a CD with teh linux sourcecode for their handheld consoles if you ask them for it, you will get a rootfs with some pre-compiled binaries that contain proprietary code and the rest of it is open
[15:36] <ReggieUK> so they provide you with *everything* except their proprietary source code
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[15:36] <steve_rox> just rember anything created by human can be defeated by a human , its only a matter of time
[15:36] <steve_rox> and if they can be bothered
[15:37] <steve_rox> notice the shortage of windows8 cracks ;-)
[15:37] <ReggieUK> although I'm guessing you don't have to go as far as they did (they provided the toolchain as well as the source and rootfs)
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[15:41] <chris_99> this is the actual LGPL right http://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl-3.0.en.html ?
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[15:42] <chris_99> wheres it say you need to distribute the source?
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[15:44] <chris_99> my intepretation is that you can just link to it, as it says "Give prominent notice with the combined library that part of it
[15:44] <chris_99> is a work based on the Library, and explaining where to find the
[15:44] <chris_99> accompanying uncombined form of the same work."
[15:44] <chris_99> but IANAL
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[15:46] <Mortvert> steve_rox - noone wants to have anything to do with windows 8
[15:46] <steve_rox> indeed
[15:47] <steve_rox> it was a bad joke of mine
[15:47] <mjr> that deals with combined libraries by the way, not applications, and also it still becomes the distributor's responsibility to keep the work available there, which may or may not be possible if you just point at any third-party site
[15:47] <steve_rox> ms are increaseing the price off it soon too
[15:48] <IT_Sean> Win8?
[15:48] <steve_rox> yea
[15:48] <steve_rox> the upgrade or something
[15:48] <IT_Sean> You couldn't pay me to use it on my personal machine.
[15:48] <Mortvert> Now even less people will want it!
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[15:48] <IT_Sean> I've only just begun to tolerate W7, fer crissakes.
[15:49] <steve_rox> i havent got as far as win7 yet
[15:49] <Mortvert> XP works fine
[15:49] <steve_rox> i did have it on a multi boot
[15:49] <IT_Sean> Isn't support (i.e. updates and such) ending for XP soon?
[15:50] <Mortvert> Probably.
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[15:50] <Mortvert> But i still like XP. It's good for running OLD games
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[15:50] <IT_Sean> So, no more security updates then. Probably smart to stop using it at that point.
[15:50] <steve_rox> but no one will care much
[15:50] <steve_rox> ms os never really that secure
[15:50] <Mortvert> (and 16-bit exes where windows 7 64bit refuses to run it)
[15:50] <Mortvert> IT_Sean - meh, people still use windows 98
[15:50] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
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[15:51] <Mortvert> hell, i've seen windows 95 on few PCs too
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[15:55] <ReggieUK> I bet the 95/98 boxes are running proprietary software that can't be updated or migrated to a new os
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[15:55] <axion> i have a box with linux 2.2 still...about as old as 98
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[15:58] <steve_rox> i did predict the downfall of ms few years ago when vista popped up
[15:58] <steve_rox> it was like a total mockery
[15:58] <steve_rox> the kinda feeling you get when you watch terminator3
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[15:59] <Mortvert> security holes!
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[16:04] <steve_rox> of course ppl said i was wrong and they thought with their allmighty .net framework they were indestructable
[16:05] <tinti> hi, for those who are interested in use KGDB on RPI: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/llvmlinux/2013-January/000122.html
[16:06] <ReggieUK> but you're still wrong, they're still here steve_rox
[16:06] <steve_rox> who are
[16:06] <ReggieUK> microsoft are still here, I get the feeling that most people here aren't keen on m$ kit
[16:07] <Jck_true> ReggieUK: I spoke with a female who worked at a hospital - The machine they had for measureing lung capacity was using Windows 95 - They would store the results to a floppy disk, move the disk to a Win2000 machine that still had a floppy drive so they could copy it to a usb stick and then move it to a winXP machine that was connected to the network...
[16:07] <Jck_true> ReggieUK: And they were getting scared because they only had 1 floppy left....
[16:07] <steve_rox> ms are still here , it takes time for cash reserves to burn down
[16:07] <ReggieUK> Jck_true, I can imagine, I take it that's in the uk?
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[16:08] <Jck_true> ReggieUK: Denmark
[16:08] <ReggieUK> it borders on the criminal in my eyes at how poor the IT infrastructure for public services is in this country despite the huge amounts of money thrown at it
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[16:09] <nid0> steve_rox: indeed it does. maybe you havent ever actually looked though, but ms's cash reserves are still increasing healthily
[16:09] <steve_rox> nah i dont do accounting for em :-P
[16:09] <ReggieUK> microsoft have many fingers in many pies
[16:09] <steve_rox> thank gawd
[16:10] <nid0> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=MSFT&annual - net assets from 32.6 billion to 49.7 billion in 2 years, not exactly circling the drain
[16:11] <steve_rox> makes me wonder where they are getting it
[16:11] <Jck_true> They really ought to push open standarts - Should be a requirement when the goverment puts in an order for an X million dollar MR scanner that it's interface is atleast somewhat accesible
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[16:11] <ReggieUK> like open source the api to communicate with the machine?
[16:12] <Jck_true> ReggieUK: Yeah
[16:14] <nid0> or they could just plug a network cable into the win95 machine. the problem with hospitals and IT gear is all too often "it works, dont touch it" until such point as the gear's so old it should be fossilised
[16:14] <ReggieUK> they could always run the win95 code in a vm
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[16:15] <nid0> I have a friend who works in a hematology lab thats the same, they have 1 network connected machine because its the only one close to the switch
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[16:15] <ReggieUK> good grief
[16:15] <nid0> which incidentally sits on a windowsill above a centrifuge or some other equipment that belts out a ton of heat on one side, and a radiator on the other
[16:15] <ReggieUK> for the sake of ??5 of cat5
[16:16] <nid0> so they have to replace the switch every few months because they keep dying
[16:16] <IT_Sean> ::facepalm::
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[16:16] <IT_Sean> That is what we in the IT world call 'job security'
[16:16] <mjr> )
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[16:18] <steve_rox> no one seems to have batted a eyelid at them windows RT laptop things amuseingly
[16:18] <Jck_true> IT_Sean: Well - If the MR scanner had an open source API it means low level guys like me could get a nice small job - Instead they pay 10 times the cash to the company that made it - (I know I'm just rambling now)
[16:18] <IT_Sean> Windows RT?
[16:19] <bparker> windows for ARM
[16:19] <IT_Sean> Ahh.
[16:19] <bparker> windows 8*
[16:19] <bparker> why it's called RT, I don't know
[16:19] <steve_rox> they made it look like win8 to confuse the issue
[16:19] <IT_Sean> So it's a version of windows for hardware that very few people make soffware for. That'll be greeeeat, supportwise. /sarcasm
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[16:20] <bparker> IT_Sean: and it only runs non-Microsoft apps that are submitted to their app store. yay!
[16:20] <IT_Sean> I see a sea of "It's windows! Why wont it run my (intel based) soffware!? tickets. ::sigh::
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[16:20] <steve_rox> when i see new laptops on sale you see windows8 screenshot on em and your thinking is that win64 or arm? i cant tell ahh
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[16:20] <IT_Sean> If swearing were allowed in here, i would have a few choice words on that.
[16:20] <steve_rox> they really are fools at ms
[16:21] <bparker> so now people will have to be "jailbreaking" their own desktops
[16:21] <IT_Sean> lol
[16:22] <steve_rox> allough its allways funny watching ms trying to play catch up with the things that are selling
[16:22] * IT_Sean has no problem with jailbreaking
[16:22] * IT_Sean points to his jailbroken 1st gen iPad
[16:22] <steve_rox> like zune for one example
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> you coud just buy stuff that doesn't need jailbraking...
[16:22] <steve_rox> is there such a thing?
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> The only apple stuff I own are 2 Apple II's and a Newton - although the newton is fairly closed, it's also over 20 years old...
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> I suppose there are degrees of openness and breakage required.
[16:23] <IT_Sean> So, what you are saying is everything else is perfect? You've neever rooted an android phone, or otherwise unlocked or fiddled with a non-apple device? hmmm?
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> I've actually never needed to root my phone.
[16:24] <IT_Sean> really? huh.
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> (which is android)
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> it's a phone.
[16:24] <steve_rox> i hate all this closed stuff , ppl cant experment and play and evolve
[16:24] <IT_Sean> I just generally have a problem with a company telling me what i may or may not do with hardware that i own.
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> my last phone came with root as standard (n900), but I never really go into it.
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[16:25] <IT_Sean> I'm surprised that's not more of a widespread opinion in here, this being a homebrew-ish community.
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> if I want to play I get atmega stuff, arduino, etc.
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is open enough for me too.
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> My desktop PC is a tool I use - not that bothered about it.
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> Maybe things have just gotten boring.
[16:25] <steve_rox> very
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> I am somewhat annoyed that my phone will need a factory reset to re-establish contact with the mothership, but I seem to have lived without the app. store for almost a year now.
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> (hint: don't delete the google account you use to register an android phone to!)
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[16:27] <steve_rox> mothership? can you upload virus to lower its sheilds ?
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[16:33] <klrr> :( OpenBSD wont support RPI
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> klrr, is it really an issue when FreeBSD and netBSD do?
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[16:36] <Mortvert> lol openbsd
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[16:36] <klrr> gordonDrogon: yes, FreeBSD and netbsd doesnt make openbsd magically run on it
[16:36] <chubzee> hi all, im currently trying to get my 2 rpi's setup with raspbmc/tvheadend and a dvb-s2 usb tuner. Rpi#1 has tvheadend running, detects the tuner fine and has found channels, i can view them directly from the web interface, Rpi#2 is running the tvheadend live tv addon and has the mpeg2 codec installed. whenever i try and watch live tv on Rpi#2 all i get is the audio and no video, it stays on the dash. Any suggestions?
[16:37] <klrr> openBSD is the only sane OS out there beside plan9
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[16:38] <markedathome> chubzee: can you connect a media player that outputs debug logging, (eg vlc with debug 2 in messages)
[16:39] <chubzee> yep
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[16:39] <chubzee> i can stream to my laptop via vlc fine, no errors that i can see
[16:39] <Laban> Are there any good options to AirPlay for Android phones?
[16:40] <Laban> Or alternatives rather.
[16:40] <markedathome> Laban: i thought there was something related to shairport?
[16:40] <Laban> I'm using Pi as airplay reciever, but that's pretty Apple-only isn't it?
[16:40] <markedathome> chubzee: did vlc say what the video codec was?
[16:41] <Laban> Id' like to stream from other phones too, not just iPhone.
[16:41] <chubzee> markedathome, [0x92ff0e0] mkv demux error: unknown codec id=`S_DVBSUB'
[16:41] <chubzee> thats all it gives me
[16:41] <chubzee> get some errors about MVs not being available
[16:41] <chubzee> but doesn't stop the stream
[16:41] <chubzee> might have fixed it actually, typo'd my mpeg2 codec key, just rebooting now :s
[16:41] <markedathome> is s2 a ts stream that needs demuxing to mpg2, like dvv-t?
[16:42] <markedathome> oops
[16:42] <chubzee> im using sd streams atm, not tried hd
[16:43] <tero> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[16:43] <tero> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[16:43] <chubzee> yey it's working, markedathome, must've been my typo :s
[16:43] <chubzee> cheers for your help anyway
[16:43] <markedathome> Laban: not sure, i use bubblepnp, from an android phone
[16:43] <tero> oops sorry about that, I had a book laying on my keyboard ;)
[16:43] <IT_Sean> tero: what's with the ----s?
[16:43] <IT_Sean> s'okay.
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[16:44] <IT_Sean> try to keep the book off the kbd then.
[16:44] <IT_Sean> :p
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[16:44] <markedathome> IT_Sean: the latest in morse encoding technology - drop all the spaces
[16:44] <Laban> See, that wouldn't have happened if you read an e-book.
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[16:44] <Davespice> tero: lol, whoops, my spam hairs were starting to stand up
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[16:45] <IT_Sean> yeah... i was looking for my op hat there. Luckily for tero im in a good mood. :p
[16:45] <megaproxy> ugh
[16:45] <megaproxy> windows sites are SOBAD
[16:45] <megaproxy> why do people still use access for databases?!
[16:45] <megaproxy> seriously...
[16:45] <IT_Sean> megaproxy: because people are stoopit
[16:45] <Zelest> it's awesome
[16:45] <markllama> ignorant
[16:45] <Zelest> then put it on a NFS mount!
[16:45] <Zelest> and you have webscale!
[16:45] <Zelest> :D
[16:46] <markedathome> better than using mysql for 100 db entries for configuration files.
[16:46] <jacekowski> i'm getting a loads of call fail with cause code 111
[16:46] <megaproxy> IT_Sean, i know right
[16:46] <Zelest> +1
[16:46] <Laban> For 100 entries you might as well use text files :)
[16:46] <megaproxy> this guys site takes like 2 mins to load
[16:46] <jacekowski> on BT on ISDN2e (BRI)
[16:46] * IT_Sean shudders when he thinks back to his days supporting an SQL backed product
[16:46] <megaproxy> purley because its windows and uses access
[16:46] <jacekowski> and i'm just wondering what may be the problem exactly
[16:47] <Laban> megaproxy: Could be worse. Could be Excel over ODBC.
[16:47] <Laban> <3
[16:47] <IT_Sean> erft.
[16:47] <IT_Sean> ODBC.
[16:47] <IT_Sean> We had some older soffware at $oldjob that was odbc backed.
[16:47] <markedathome> not to mention the horrors of using xml as a db format; yes let us write out 10MB just to update 30 bytes. And use up 100MB of RAM to hold the dtd and xml transform
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[16:47] <IT_Sean> HATED supporting that.
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[16:48] <markedathome> jacekowski: isdn network failure?
[16:48] * Davespice sets mode +o IT_Sean
[16:49] <jacekowski> well, thing is, other calls at around the same time work ok
[16:49] <Laban> Hmm... Can the Pi be set as a DLNA reciever and stream from the phone?
[16:49] <markedathome> Cause No. 111 - protocol error, unspecified.
[16:49] <markedathome> This cause is used to report a protocol error event only when no other cause in the protocol error class applies
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[16:50] <markedathome> Laban: yes, search for gmedia-resurrect or gmediarender-resurrect
[16:50] <markedathome> I run a rpi with gmedarender, streaming from an iomega home cloud nas
[16:50] <jacekowski> markedathome: i know that, i'm just wondering what that means on BT
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[16:51] <Laban> markedathome: But then you have your media on the NAS, just playing it on the Pi - right?
[16:51] <markedathome> yes
[16:51] <Laban> I want it the other way around.
[16:51] <Laban> Pi should just recieve streaming audio and output it.
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[16:51] <Laban> The phone should have the media and player.
[16:52] <markedathome> but controlling it from a windows pc with either foobar2000, win media player or occasionally bubblepnp on an android passing though a bubbleupnp server running as a proxy.
[16:52] <Laban> Would it be a good alternative to Airplay?
[16:54] <markedathome> don't know - It is okay for what I use it for, which is stream to my phone/rpi and control from my phone/desktop
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[16:54] <jacekowski> [Jan 22 14:13:55] VERBOSE[19609] chan_dahdi.c: PRI Span: 1 < Cause (len= 4) [ Ext: 1 Coding: CCITT (ITU) standard (0) Spare: 0 Location: Network beyond the interworking point (10)
[16:54] <jacekowski> [Jan 22 14:13:55] VERBOSE[19609] chan_dahdi.c: PRI Span: 1 < Ext: 1 Cause: Protocol error, unspecified (111), class = Protocol Error (e.g. unknown message) (6) ]
[16:55] <markedathome> jacekowski: what are you using? asterisk?
[16:56] <jacekowski> asterisk
[16:56] <jacekowski> and i'm calling mobile number in this case
[16:57] <jacekowski> hmm, i've just had a ook through all the failures and it looks like it's always the same mobile number
[16:57] <markedathome> can you call a standard 01xxx 02xx number?
[16:57] <jacekowski> yes
[16:57] <mervaka> you doing DTMF detection/generation?
[16:57] <jacekowski> and other mobile numbers work fine
[16:57] <jacekowski> markedathome: ISDN
[16:57] <markedathome> is there a mechanism for isdn to have call blocking?
[16:57] <jacekowski> mervaka: ISDN*
[16:57] <mervaka> ah k
[16:57] <mervaka> havent read up yet :p
[16:58] <markedathome> on your isdn service that is
[16:58] <jacekowski> no
[16:58] <mervaka> i've just completed an rpi implementation of a DTMF decoder
[16:58] <markedathome> mervaka: using what input? usb mic in, or something to gpio?
[16:58] <mervaka> ALSA
[16:59] <jacekowski> hmm
[16:59] <mervaka> it's just DSP at the end of the day.
[16:59] <jacekowski> [Jan 22 14:13:34] VERBOSE[19610] chan_dahdi.c: PRI Span: 2 < Message Type: CONNECT ACKNOWLEDGE (15)
[16:59] <jacekowski> i get CONNECT ACKNOWLEDGE
[17:00] <jacekowski> and it gets as far as ALERTING
[17:00] <chubzee> yey, got my rpi-powered hd satellite receiver up and running, total cost: ??115
[17:00] <jacekowski> and then 21s later i get DISCONNECT with cause code 111
[17:00] <mervaka> chubzee: yey :>
[17:00] <chubzee> took 2 rpis, merv :p
[17:00] <mervaka> lol
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[17:01] <mervaka> had better have motorised tracking..
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[17:01] <chubzee> nah got a fixed dish
[17:01] <mervaka> :p
[17:01] <mervaka> nearly took home my uni's 5m dish
[17:01] <chubzee> dual lnb tho, got astra 28.2e and 19.2e
[17:01] <mervaka> then realised i couldnt get it home
[17:01] <chubzee> hah
[17:01] <IT_Sean> but... motorized tracking! !! MOTORIZE ALL THE THINGS!!!
[17:01] <chubzee> when i get some money, im gonna get a motorised dish
[17:02] <chubzee> heard tvheadends disecq control can be a bit ropey tho
[17:02] <mervaka> what i wouldnt mind doing is making a yagi based network link
[17:02] <mervaka> VHF
[17:03] <jacekowski> markedathome: i've got another piece of the puzzle
[17:03] <markedathome> jacekowski: is this a mobile on a specific network, and do other mobiles on that network work ok?
[17:03] <chubzee> for what purpose, mervaka ?
[17:03] <jacekowski> that number is currently abroad
[17:03] <jacekowski> markedathome: other calls to that network work
[17:03] <jacekowski> but person that has this number is abroad
[17:04] <jacekowski> and the call suceeds sometimes
[17:04] <mervaka> just a more robust, penetrative network link to stuff like radio control cars :P
[17:04] <markedathome> unfortunately, I don't know much about extra-country isdn networking
[17:04] <chubzee> so, just cause u can then? :)
[17:04] <mervaka> don't need a lot of bandwidth
[17:04] <mervaka> might see if i can hack a CB radio
[17:04] <markedathome> apart from it is a right PITA
[17:04] <IT_Sean> chubzee: "Because i can" is the reasoning behind some of the greatest hacks in human history.
[17:04] <chubzee> most definitely
[17:05] <chubzee> thats why ive just done my rpi-powered sat receiver :p
[17:05] <mervaka> heh
[17:05] <mervaka> fuck it, lets make a phased array radar, because i can.
[17:05] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[17:05] <markedathome> IT_Sean: isn't that the entire reason most of us have an rpi anyway?
[17:05] * mervaka was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[17:05] <IT_Sean> It is, markedathome. It is.
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[17:07] <markedathome> phased array radar requires micrometer precision milling doesn't it? beyond the average home, and most colleges, I thought
[17:07] <mervaka> :<
[17:07] <mervaka> i forget this channel is a bit less tolerant of language
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[17:08] <Davespice> don't worry mervaka, nothing personal, its because there are kids here etc
[17:08] <mervaka> indeed. i just haven't contributed in a while.
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[17:10] <jacekowski> markedathome: not exactly
[17:11] <jacekowski> markedathome: you can get very good results with high end CNC mill
[17:11] <markedathome> jacekowski: does it help to load other tonezone files?
[17:12] <markedathome> i might be misremembering an old hackaday project
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[17:12] <jacekowski> markedathome: i've compared two calls to the same number
[17:12] <markedathome> i was, i was thinking of synthetic aperture radar
[17:13] <jacekowski> markedathome: one that was ok and failed one
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[17:13] <gordonDrogon> wow. SAR. Can that be done at the hobby level?
[17:13] <jacekowski> gordonDrogon: easily
[17:14] <markedathome> gordonDrogon: >> http://www.glcharvat.com/Dr._Gregory_L._Charvat_Projects/$240_High_Res_Rail_SAR.html
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> last time I looked at it was ~20 years ago.
[17:14] <jacekowski> markedathome: and it looks like i'm not getting CONNECT from the network, instead i get DISCONECT
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> I built a supercomputer to decode SAR images. It had something like 60 x i860's in it.
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[17:15] <markedathome> gordonDrogon: there was a course recently for somewhere like mit to build sar for under $1000,
[17:15] <jacekowski> and with SAR you don't have to be very accurate with your positioning (it helps)
[17:16] <jacekowski> hardware to build SAR is simple
[17:16] <jacekowski> theory behind it is not very complex either
[17:16] <wishi> hey, I have a raspberry pi here... with arch linux arm. and arch on my desktop. I need to install wlan on the raspi... can I arch-chroot into the sd-card and download the necessary stuff with pacman/AUR
[17:16] * jprvita|afk is now known as jprvita
[17:16] <jacekowski> but it requires a lot of processing power to get good results
[17:16] <wishi> arch-chroot doesn't exist in AUR though
[17:16] <jacekowski> because you have to get a lot of images from different places
[17:16] <jacekowski> and then put them all together
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> we were taking tapes with SAR data on them - captured from "intersting locations" at very high altitude...
[17:16] <markedathome> http://hackaday.com/2012/12/18/build-a-360-synthetic-aperture-radar-with-mits-opencourseware/
[17:17] <jacekowski> and if your positioning is accurate it will save you a lot of processing power
[17:17] <markedathome> that is us 360$
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> they looked like inch-wide vhs video tapes..
[17:17] <Torikun> yo
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> not sure about the positioning from the stuff I was looking at - it was generated in a plane flying very high...
[17:19] <markedathome> gordonDrogon: a blackbird?
[17:19] <markedathome> or higher?
[17:19] <jacekowski> SAR gives you basically 1d image
[17:19] <jacekowski> distance to obstacles and stuff
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> markedathome, I really don't know. they wouldn't tell me.
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[17:20] <gordonDrogon> and in the place I was at, it was sometimes best not to ask/know...
[17:20] <jacekowski> if you get a lot of those images from different places it an be put together into 3d image
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> I was told that it was out of the way of most fighter aircraft, so relatively 'safe' ...
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[17:22] <gordonDrogon> my part was to design what was needed to actually interface the tape reader into the computer and get the data off the tapes.
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> the tape reader had a 16-bit digital interface - of sorts. and rs232 to control actions like play, rewind, etc.
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[17:23] <markedathome> someone has built an arduino shield for coffee-can radar http://reactancelabs.com/?p=272
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[17:24] <gordonDrogon> yea, by todays standard I'm sure it was pretty weak :)
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> but it did revolutionise their work - from 3-4 frames a night to real-time reading of the tapes...
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> i806 would have been ~80Mflops, so 60 of them would be 4.8Gflops. what the Pi do?
[17:26] <neilr> Has anyone measured PiFlops?
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> or your average PC ..
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[17:26] <markedathome> jacekowski: what are you using to interface with the isdn
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[17:27] <neilr> I'm hoping it's > 1 Gflop. So we can have PiGflops
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[17:27] <jacekowski> markedathome: openvox card
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> so the Pi's GPU is 2.4Gflops. So half what that computer could do 20 years ago...
[17:29] <markedathome> Full hardware floating point on Raspbian (-mfloat-abi=hard -mfpu=vfp) and arm_freq=1000 and core_freq=500, linpack 60,000 KFLOPS according to elinux.org/RPI_Performance
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[17:30] <markedathome> and ~40000KFLOPS at 700Mhz
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> Why is anyone using ISDN in this day & age?
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[17:33] <gordonDrogon> anyone know if the forums (raspberrypi.org) site have limits on things like signatures, PMs, etc. does a new user need a certian number of posts first before these are enabled?
[17:34] <zilog> gordonDrogon: we have a PRI connected to our PBX at work, and another PRI for backup WAN link in case our fibre link goes down (which has never happened in my 2 years here)
[17:35] <markedathome> spoke to an openreach engineer just before christmas, and he was saying that they are still installing a few a week.
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> yea, and ISDN2/30 is still popular...
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[17:39] <zilog> i'm sure there's still a few people out there who don't trust packet-switched networks for voice
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[17:39] <nid0> honestly, the fact that BT still market both products as "high bandwidth" in terms of net connections is horrible though
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> onceupon a time a 2Mv E1 was fast :)
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> er 2Mb
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[17:40] <zilog> i think 128k is still legally considered "broadband" here in ireland :/
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[17:40] <nid0> and even now it still is compared to almost any isdn setup, they top out at just under 2mbit afaik?
[17:41] <markedathome> a lot of users that I knew back 10-15 years ago were using it for things like direct connection for djs/radio announcers/field reporters to the larger radio stations. Then adsl came along.
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[17:42] <zilog> markedathome: i think it's still widely used in radio because of low latency and the sound quality is good enough for FM (think they use some form of NICAM encoding)
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[17:45] <markedathome> possibly, the stuff i remember was from miketodd of bbc engineering in the old cix forums
[17:46] <dape> erm.. so how safe is that overclock of Pi to 1 ghz ? would a 1Amp ps be needed?
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[17:47] <axion> i could not become stable with the same 1A psu that runs 700mhz stable
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[17:48] <axion> needed to use a 1.2
[17:48] <axion> but other than that, been up and running at 1ghz for almost 3 months uptime
[17:48] <Torikun> dape: I do not overclock anymore becasue overclocking led to filesystem corruption many times
[17:48] <Torikun> My 512mb PI has issues with overclocking
[17:48] <Torikun> my 256mb does not
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[17:49] <Torikun> Depends on the PI, try it out but if you have corruption, don't overclock
[17:49] <dape> got it.. well, i have a Pi running arch now with a 1,2 a ps and tomorrow will get another pi with a 1a ps
[17:49] <dape> axion do you run a raspbian by any chance on that o/c Pi? is it faster?
[17:50] <dape> i mean the lxde or whatever dm you use
[17:50] <axion> arch. and arch is faster by far even though both are compiled for hfp
[17:50] <Torikun> if arch is faster, I hate to try raspian then
[17:50] <dape> graphic arch or just console?
[17:50] <dape> Torikun i tried, its hell
[17:50] <Torikun> =(
[17:50] <axion> console of course
[17:50] <dape> lxde on raspbian made my mind go numb
[17:51] <Torikun> I have 3 arch pi's with no gui, 1 with gui
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[17:51] <Torikun> lxde
[17:51] * dape thinking to try fluxbox :P
[17:51] <axion> any window manager will be sow...even dwm
[17:52] <axion> slow
[17:52] <axion> if you need xorg, you're probably doing it wrong
[17:52] <Torikun> lol
[17:52] <Torikun> my daugher uses lxde to stream movies in her room
[17:52] <Torikun> and chrome over ssh
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[17:52] <axion> sounds like a family problem
[17:53] <Torikun> lol
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[17:58] <markedathome> wooh, just came across my old Protar 50DC Harddrive case. 80MB in a 35x35cm case.
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[17:59] <markedathome> wonder how many pi's I can fit in it?
[18:00] <Armand> Around abouts 2.5 ?
[18:00] <Armand> At a random guess..
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[18:14] <SpeedEvil> markedathome: 3.14
[18:14] <dape> ;-))
[18:14] <Joeboy> approximately
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[18:15] <markedathome> :-)
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[18:36] <Megaf> Hi folks, what emulators are you using to player good old games?
[18:37] <booyaa> whAt like dos? arcade? 8bit?
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[18:38] <Megaf> booyaa, general speaking, all good old games,
[18:38] <Megaf> nes, atari, arcade, dos
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[18:39] <booyaa> mame works on most low spec arcade games might be pushed to handle chds
[18:39] <booyaa> usuallt suspects like dosemu, nesticle should work
[18:40] <booyaa> Megaf: what distro tou got?
[18:40] <Megaf> raspbian
[18:40] <bparker> I tried snes9x-gtk package in raspbian but it just always showed a black screen on known working games
[18:41] <Megaf> I think its a bad idea to use the X server to do anything but web browsing on raspberry pi
[18:41] <Megaf> using framebuffer I managed to play 1080p videos
[18:42] <Megaf> and see hi-res photos
[18:42] <Megaf> XBMC works great on framebuffer
[18:43] <Megaf> I have an old AMD Duron @ 950 MHz, and I use it t play SNES games using ZSNES on framebuffer too
[18:43] <bparker> well yea, X is a giant overhead on slow systems
[18:44] <bparker> totally unnecessary for full-screen apps
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[18:45] <bparker> wayland is the future for running window managers on hardware like this
[18:46] <Torikun> Uubntu may make their own X
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[18:46] <Torikun> What is the delay with wayland? Not ready for prime time yet?
[18:46] <bparker> Torikun: "Mark Shuttleworth announced plans to eventually replace X with Wayland as the primary Ubuntu display server with their Unity desktop"
[18:46] <Torikun> bparker: and Jono said they may make their own in the next few years recently
[18:47] <bparker> oh really
[18:47] <bparker> why oh why :/
[18:47] <Torikun> yup
[18:47] <bparker> wayland is already here and stable
[18:47] <bparker> window managers just aren't caught up
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[18:48] <djazz> how can i try wayland on my pi? I'm running Arch
[18:49] <bparker> there's probably not a ready-made package for pi yet that uses it
[18:49] <bparker> Qt 5 has wayland support, but compiling all of that for pi is non-trivial
[18:49] <djazz> aha.. hardware accelerated?
[18:49] <bparker> yea
[18:49] <djazz> awesome
[18:50] <bparker> I would google wayland raspberry pi
[18:50] <Torikun> no major distro uses wayland I meant and wondered why
[18:50] <djazz> im on it now, no gui, just elinks ;p
[18:50] <djazz> yeah
[18:51] <shiftplusone> look at vgrade's youtube channel. He has some cool wayland and qt demos on the pi there.
[18:54] <shiftplusone> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RTk77JRAKw
[18:54] <booyaa> djazz++ browsing lofi
[18:55] <djazz> :D
[18:55] <booyaa> djazz: you ever give w3m a go?
[18:55] <Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com <--3 PI cluster running that site
[18:55] <djazz> w3m?
[18:55] * booyaa was a hardcore lynx man
[18:55] <booyaa> w3m i think its the most compliant text browser
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[18:56] <bparker> and supports images
[18:56] <bparker> on the console
[18:56] <Megaf> [15:54] <shiftplusone> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RTk77JRAKw
[18:56] <djazz> how? ;o
[18:56] <Megaf> impressive
[18:56] <bparker> framebuffer? :)
[18:56] <Megaf> and that show how a piece of shit X is
[18:56] <Megaf> shows*
[18:57] <shiftplusone> Megaf, can't argue with that, but mind the language please. (Check the topic)
[18:57] <djazz> yea, how can I run gui programs on a framebuffer, without a full desktop?
[18:57] <bparker> I like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j-Wakm5B84
[18:57] <Megaf> sorry
[18:57] <djazz> for example midori
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[18:58] <bparker> djazz: you can't run a GTK app on a non-GTK supporting compositor, for example
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[18:58] <djazz> ah
[18:58] <bparker> wayland support for gtk is being worked on, but not finished
[18:58] <bparker> but apps that specifically support writing directly to the framebuffer don't need X or wayland
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[18:59] <bparker> like for example, w3m, gstreamer with fbdevsink, or other apps
[18:59] <djazz> ok
[18:59] <Kane> hey o/
[18:59] <bparker> and of course those apps don't have any windows or mouse support/etc.
[18:59] <bparker> from a graphical standpoint
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[19:00] <djazz> how do i run w3m on the framebuffer?
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[19:01] <shiftplusone> btw elinks2 can also display images on the framebuffer
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[19:01] <shiftplusone> iirc
[19:01] <shiftplusone> but the formatting isn't all that great
[19:03] <booyaa> if its got fb support shouldnt it just work on the console?
[19:03] <bparker> yes
[19:03] <bparker> djazz: by running it... nothing special needed
[19:03] <djazz> what option should i use then? looks like any other text-based browser
[19:04] <djazz> i installed the dependency for "graphics"
[19:04] <bparker> if you go to for example www.google.com you should see the logo
[19:04] <djazz> imlib2
[19:04] <booyaa> mmm
[19:04] <djazz> i dont
[19:04] <bparker> as long as your console isn't old vga and is using a framebuffer driver
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[19:05] <bparker> you'll know if it's using one if your resolution is high (like 720 or 1080)
[19:05] <bparker> (on the console)
[19:05] <djazz> hdmi, 1080
[19:05] <booyaa> djazz: http://www.howtogeek.com/103574/how-to-browse-from-the-linux-terminal-with-w3m/
[19:05] <bparker> it also works from an xterm, I can see graphics in w3m
[19:06] <djazz> how do i open links in elinks from irc? D:
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[19:06] <booyaa> does raspbian have w3m-img?
[19:06] <djazz> irssi
[19:06] <booyaa> you prolly need an irsii plugin/script
[19:07] <djazz> ah, i went to another site, i see images
[19:07] <bparker> :)
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[19:08] <djazz> does it support javascript?
[19:08] <bparker> no, but there is an experimental project, w3m-js
[19:08] <djazz> aha
[19:08] <chithead> from the console browsers, only elinks supports javascript
[19:08] <booyaa> so just works?
[19:09] <booyaa> nice
[19:09] <djazz> booyaa: i think you must enable ecmascript in elinks
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[19:11] <chithead> yes, that is a compile-time option
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[19:11] <booyaa> wow sounds like i should revisit w3m
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[19:11] <djazz> chithead: what about the ecmascript enable/disable in options?
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[19:12] <chithead> djazz: this is only present if enabled at compile time
[19:12] <buruu> Hey, I'm back here asking more dumb questions. How can I force a resolution if I'm using the composite video output?
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[19:12] <djazz> chithead: ok
[19:12] <chithead> buruu: see http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[19:12] <djazz> buruu: framebuffer size or smth
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[19:18] <buruu> Ok, if I adjust the framebuffer does it work with the GUI?
[19:19] <aDro> I have a nice security camera now
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[19:20] <buruu> Or lxde display manager, whatever it's called.
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[19:24] <wishi> in regards to reapian... any laptop-mode/powersaving tools?
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[19:29] <Mortvert> Hm. Maybe my RPi will be sent tomorrow :3
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> wishi, I'm not sure there is any power to be saved on the Pi..
[19:30] <Mortvert> Dude. You want to save power on 5W board?
[19:31] <akk> Saving power is always important if you're running off batteries.
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[19:31] <Mortvert> how long a pi can run off 4xAA batteries?
[19:31] <IT_Sean> that's 6v. you'll need to regulate it.
[19:32] <IT_Sean> and... not long.
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[19:32] <IT_Sean> they will fairly quickly drop below 4.75, which is, as i recall ,the lower threshhold for the pi
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> I was running a Pi off 6 x AA's. couple of hours, but it was powering motors too.
[19:33] * Armand hurls a 2.5KG, 12v deep-cycle battery at gordonDrogon
[19:33] <akk> I'm planning to power mine off li-poly eventually, but need to build the voltage regulator circuit first.
[19:34] <dape> Mortvert good luck and don't forget a GOOD card
[19:34] <swart> wikipedia says a AAA battery capacity is typically 1000-1200 mAh
[19:34] <Mortvert> dape - i bought it 6 days ago, expected despatch time is 7
[19:35] <swart> AA is more like 1800-2600
[19:35] <Armand> AA goes upto around 2000mAh, if I recall..
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[19:35] <dape> Mortvert neat, i bought the second today and will get it tomorrow :P
[19:35] <swart> for some reason I read AAA
[19:35] <Armand> lol
[19:35] <akk> Interesting, the NiMH AAs are typically much less than that.
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[19:35] <Armand> <3 7Ah.. !
[19:35] <Armand> 4 of. ^_^
[19:36] <swart> I've got a big old battery pack from a macbook. I wonder what I can do with that
[19:36] <Torikun> radio shack has battery life extender packs also
[19:36] <Torikun> and small portable usb chargers
[19:36] <Armand> I've salvaged an 11v li-ion from a Dell laptop... should be interesting. ;)
[19:36] <Torikun> and even kits for triple a
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[19:37] <Torikun> made out of a mint can
[19:37] <Armand> Type: KD476, 11.1v, 85Wh.. no Ah rating.
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[19:38] <gordonDrogon> the mAh rating is usually for a certian current - they mostly will not give e.g. 2amps for 1 hour on a 2000mA cell...
[19:39] <shiftplusone> +1
[19:40] <shiftplusone> Dave from EEVBlog (youtube) has a few good rants on Ah ratings.
[19:40] <Armand> I still haven't tested the life on my batteries.. considering it could take a couple of days with only 1 rPi. -_-
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[19:41] <dape> whats geekier than Gentoo on Pi? -> http://www.intestinate.com/pilfs/
[19:41] <Torikun> lol I could not get Gentoo working
[19:41] <Torikun> on my pi
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[19:41] <Torikun> nice LFS
[19:42] <shiftplusone> dape, don't be silly, that's no geeky.
[19:42] * Torikun wishes I could have gentoo no pi
[19:42] <shiftplusone> It's pure masochism. He did all the compiling on the pi btw, no crosscompiling.
[19:42] <dape> shiftplusone i was just thinking what you typed ;-)
[19:43] <dape> i'm gonna do it on the Pi that arrives tomorrow, gonna slap a 16 gb sandisk on it and do the LFS
[19:44] <shiftplusone> good luck
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[19:44] <Torikun> anyone using gentoo on it?
[19:44] <dape> <- "You're a curious individual (with a lot of spare time) who would like to learn how a working GNU/Linux distribution is put together."
[19:46] <tdy> are you sure the LFS instructions apply to ARM?
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[19:46] <dape> tdy check the website i pasted above
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[19:46] <shiftplusone> tdy, there are a few extra steps, Mogwai (I think that's the name) lists those on the site.
[19:46] <tdy> ah i'll check the link
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[19:47] <Armand> dape: "Geekier"?? LFS, mayhaps?
[19:47] <Mortvert> dape - i bought from RS because it's quite a chunk cheaper
[19:47] <Armand> *neck-beard*
[19:47] <dape> Mortvert yeah, i payed almost double to have it from a local store stock next day
[19:47] * Mortvert sighs
[19:47] <dape> also don't feel like getting thru the customs waste of time
[19:47] <Armand> Apologies.. apparently I can't read. :P
[19:47] <Mortvert> Wish i could get a second one, just for emulating my consoles
[19:48] <shiftplusone> Armand, it's ok, you got there eventually.
[19:48] <Armand> lol.. indeed.
[19:49] * Armand should get stronger coffee??
[19:49] <Mortvert> Eat raw coffee :P
[19:49] <scummos> that doesn't taste too bad
[19:50] <scummos> try it
[19:50] <scummos> well roasted coffee that is
[19:50] <Armand> I've got a pack of grounds here.....
[19:50] <Armand> But, I'm not doing an episode of Red Dwarf, so.. no.. :P
[19:52] <Mortvert> grrr. waiting for the rpi is killing me
[19:52] * Armand is hoping his chinese/cali/commie pal has posted the damned switch controller..
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[20:03] <bparker> djazz: if you want another console friendly app, try this youtube client http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=21435&p=238489
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[20:08] <djazz> bparker: yeah i made a simple interface for youtube using omxplayer and node.js
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[20:09] <djazz> bparker: i also made a web interface for playing youtube videos/playing web radio on the pi
[20:09] <djazz> its like a remote control with a queue
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[20:11] <djazz> search for "omxradio" and you'll find it
[20:13] <djazz> bparker or anyone: is there a vnc viewer that works on the pi? with framebuffer/hw-accel?
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[20:15] <aDro> How do i cleanly close a program running in the background?
[20:15] <aDro> Motion is running in Deamon mode, and I want to close it without just killing it.
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[20:16] <shiftplusone> Depends on the program. You might be able to bringt it to the foreground, or it might have a command you can send it. You'll probably end up killing it though.
[20:17] <aDro> Well, it's motion.
[20:17] <aDro> It's got a http control server
[20:17] <aDro> And I can quit the program with a command from that menu
[20:17] <aDro> But I would like to use the terminal
[20:18] <Damme> anyone with gpio-experience ? Not actually RPI devel but thinking of developing to both. using openwrt and rpi and trying to speak with hdmi-CEC via one gpio pin.
[20:21] <plugwash> The big problem with doing GPIO from userspace is lack of timing gaurantees
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[20:22] <pronto> is there something like this list http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages?format=txt.gz for raspbian ?
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[20:25] <aDro> pronto: I am not sure what you are looking for
[20:25] <pronto> just a package list
[20:25] <pronto> found one
[20:25] <aDro> like apt-cache search?
[20:25] <plugwash> not that i'm aware of, all the information in that file is in the "packages" file in the repository but that is a LOT more verbose
[20:25] <pronto> yeah
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[20:25] <pronto> but its hard to apt-cache search on a device/distro you dont currently have
[20:26] <aDro> Oh I see
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[20:26] <aDro> A list online
[20:26] <pronto> http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/lists/ <
[20:26] <pronto> found it
[20:26] <pronto> i learned2google
[20:26] <pronto> and not seeing wvdial in it, damn :(
[20:26] <pronto> http://ftp.gnome.org/mirror/raspbian/raspbian/pool/main/w/wvdial/ oh nice, but it is in the repo
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[20:29] <plugwash> <pronto> http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/lists/ <-- I don't think that is what you are looking for, afaict those are the lists from the debian repositories we pull from
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[20:29] <pronto> plugwash: ah, well , i found the package that i might need
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[20:29] <pronto> wvdial :D
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[20:31] <plugwash> http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-armhf/Packages.bz2 <-- that is the file you want for a list of packages that are actually in raspbian
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[20:59] <earl2> so what kind of boot times can we get down to for an embedded ethernet + python script and nothing else application?
[21:00] * jelly1 wonders if anyone uses F2FS on the PI ;)
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[21:05] <earl2> what I'd really like to see is an embedded system that just reads the whole file system on boot and then bam never uses it again. completely volatile, but also completely in ram.
[21:06] <earl2> come on, linux used to run off of a 1.44 mb floppy ...now we have 512 mb ram. you can fit your whole image in there, after you know what your hardware is exactly and you never want to write to disk again...
[21:08] <jelly1> why wouldn't you want to use a disk ?
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[21:10] <pronto> because the chinese have malware on them
[21:10] <jelly1> earl2: i'm pretty sure you can tweak your distro to run in ram; )
[21:10] <pksato> earl2: most embedded do it, load all need to ram.
[21:11] <pksato> but, OS are very small.
[21:11] <earl2> THe reason I wouldn't want to use a disk at all is because Linux is not a real-time operating system. But one thing that you know for sure will block you for many, many ms, is reading something off of the disk instead of ram. If there *is* no disk, that cannot happen.
[21:12] <earl2> though to be fair this applies less to flash.
[21:12] <IT_Sean>
[21:12] <earl2> IT_Sean, your text did not comed through for me, could you repeat?
[21:12] <jelly1>
[21:12] <pksato>
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[21:12] <aDro> lol
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[21:12] <Joeboy> oops
[21:13] <IT_Sean>
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[21:13] <jelly1> did earl2 leave?
[21:13] <IT_Sean> He did
[21:13] <jelly1> ugh
[21:13] <aDro> lol
[21:13] <jelly1> i wanted to tell him there is linux-rt :P
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[21:14] <earl2> sorry
[21:14] <IT_Sean>
[21:14] <pksato> RT is a illusion.
[21:14] <jelly1> earl2: linux-rt
[21:14] <jelly1> go go
[21:14] <jelly1> earl2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTLinux
[21:14] <earl2> I am not seeing the text you all are writing
[21:14] <earl2> can you see IT_Sean's text?
[21:15] <Joeboy> earl2: I don't think you even need a special kernel, you just need to set your scheduler options
[21:15] <pksato> Low latency is more realistic. :)
[21:15] <jelly1> Joeboy: pretty sure you do
[21:15] <Joeboy> depending on how realtime you need to be
[21:15] <jelly1> i am not saying linux-rt is really realtime
[21:16] <Joeboy> I think you can get the scheduler to make sure fs reads/writes don't interrupt rt processes, anyway
[21:16] <Joeboy> without the rt kernel
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[21:18] <earl2> so, do people have success running rtlinux on a raspberrypi?
[21:18] <earl2> btw before I left channel I don't know what jellyl and pksato were writing, it didn't show up for me
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[21:20] <Joeboy> earl2: If you set a process to sched_fifo, I don't think it'll be interrupted by anything except, er, interrupts
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[21:22] <earl2> okay
[21:22] <earl2> btw how many x faster is the ram on a pi than reading from a class 10 sd card?
[21:22] <earl2> also latency?
[21:22] <Amadiro> a *lot*
[21:22] <Joeboy> Lots, I should think
[21:22] <jelly1> earl2: try it
[21:23] <Joeboy> 10,000 ?
[21:23] <Joeboy> (complete guess)
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[21:23] <earl2> okay I whipped up a quick script and did it ten times. Both of them were "very fast", the first one (disk) was slightly faster but maybe I got tired of pressing the enter key.
[21:23] <earl2> (this is just a joke)
[21:24] <jelly1> hu what script
[21:24] <Amadiro> I don't know what RAM interface the rpi uses, but compare things like DDR, DDR2 and DDR3 with sdcards, and you'll get an idea
[21:24] <jelly1> earl2: what distro do you run?
[21:25] <earl2> none, yet
[21:25] <jelly1> ugh
[21:25] <earl2> but apparently rt-linux is the one I want
[21:25] <jelly1> there is no distro
[21:25] <earl2> (I dont have a pi yet, I am evaluating it as an option)
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[21:25] <jelly1> oh..
[21:25] <earl2> I guess raspbian
[21:25] <jelly1> >_>
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[21:26] <jelly1> earl2: google if you can run debian in ram :P
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[21:26] <earl2> dude if you google "Can you" the answer is always yes
[21:26] <Torikun> earl2: check out www.linux-toys.com
[21:26] <jelly1> earl2: ...
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[21:26] <Torikun> small cluster at home
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[21:26] <Torikun> to power that site
[21:26] <earl2> sometimes it's wrong and will make you take apart your whole house and you can't put it back tomorrow and you end up homeless in southeast asia... but some wiseguy will tell you exactly what stps t follow
[21:27] <earl2> back together agan
[21:27] <jelly1> what
[21:27] <earl2> don't know where "tomorrow" came from
[21:27] <Torikun> wow that was random
[21:27] <jelly1> and silly
[21:27] <earl2> I mean, "Can you" always has some guy saying, "Yes, here is how" even when the results are a disaster.
[21:27] <earl2> so I wouldn't go by that.
[21:27] <earl2> I mean, just take all the people who have built midi converters for instruments. total fail, but "totally possible"
[21:27] <jelly1> earl2: so now your going to base your discssion just on our judgement lovely
[21:27] <jelly1> :P
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[21:28] <jelly1> if we say it's 100% faster in ram and yes you can do it
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[21:28] <earl2> well...
[21:28] <earl2> okay
[21:28] <jelly1> :P
[21:28] <mjr> been there done that (running linux from ramroot)
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[21:29] <earl2> mjr, what was your experience?
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[21:29] <mjr> not on the pi, though, but it's very doable if you don't need a whole lot on it
[21:29] <earl2> also, didn't get an answer. anyone running rtlinux on a pi?
[21:29] <Joeboy> earl2: What exactly are you trying to do? Why do you need rt?
[21:29] <earl2> in an embedded feedback system.
[21:30] <Joeboy> I don't know what that means :-(
[21:30] <mjr> earl2, it worked, keeping it current was a bit of a hassle though
[21:30] <Joeboy> but that's fine
[21:30] <Joeboy> earl2: You might want to look at http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl2_sched_setscheduler.htm
[21:30] <mjr> might depend according to how you go about it exactly
[21:32] <jelly1> i wodner why you have to need for RT
[21:32] <jelly1> of stuff in ram
[21:32] <Tachyon`> lol, "Do you realise what would happen if the little people stopped paying their taxes?" "The rich people would have to start paying theirs"
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[21:34] <earl2> I wonder what percent of taxes come from the little people. I bet everyone who owns less than $1 million net worth could pay $0 and the economy would still function (kind of) off the existing taxes of rich people.
[21:35] <jelly1> nah
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[21:36] <rikkib> Obnoxious teens making a lot of noise outside last night. Asleep in tent this morning. At 8am I started the lawn mower. 8:30am chain saw and stick grinder. 9:35 100w + of music aimed at them.
[21:38] <andoma> rikkib: :)
[21:38] <Draylor> thats doing it wrong
[21:38] <Draylor> shouldve started the tunes before 8, the older the better :)
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[21:38] <rikkib> three steps going now
[21:39] <rikkib> Fender Stage 112 SE 160W
[21:39] <rikkib> And I am playing guitar along side
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[21:57] <pierreghz> Greetings, I have a quick question for people who run MAME??on their Pi:??does Street Fighter IIx (Super Street Fighter II Turbo) run at a decent framerate even with sound on?
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[21:59] <jorick> whooohooow i got my pi's and they work !!!
[21:59] <Torikun> Awesome!
[21:59] <Torikun> what will you do now
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[21:59] <jorick> I'm stripping down raspbian, running it headless as a server
[21:59] <Torikun> Nice
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[22:00] <Caleb> jorick: why not run something like arch
[22:00] <jorick> i just setup my git hosting, and wrote some wrapper scripts for creating new users/repositories
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[22:00] <mdik> jorick: do you need pointers to what to aptitude purge?
[22:00] <jelly1> gitorius
[22:00] <jorick> Caleb: I'm probably going to experiment a lot
[22:01] <jelly1> gitorious
[22:01] <jorick> mdik: i already went through all packages once, if there's a list somewhere i'd love to compare
[22:01] <jorick> i saved a dpkg -l from before and after purging
[22:02] <mdik> jorick: let me check (and pastebin) mine, because i'm eager to compare, too (;
[22:03] <jorick> also i installed tmux and created an alias on my laptop which runs "tmux attach || tmux" on it, that's pretty cool
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[22:04] <mdik> jorick: http://pastie.org/5826947
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[22:05] <mdik> yep. tmux here aswell. and deborphan
[22:06] <jorick> mdik: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=96PckJxt (i overdid it slightly, had to reinstall console-setup to get loadkeys back; though not reallly needed on a headless "server")
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[22:07] <mdik> mine is save
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[22:08] <mdik> but i sadly didnt do the dpkg -l. my list is from "history|grep purge", so there is a lot hidden in automatic purges
[22:08] <jorick> oh there's a while LXDE i forgot to purge
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[22:11] <mdik> it's odd that it didn't come down with X then...
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[22:17] <mdik> getting too tired, but will continue cleaning tomorrow. thanks so far, jorick
[22:17] <mjr> With the X server? It doesn't depend on a _local_ server, see. You could run a remote desktop.
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[22:23] <jorick> mdik: i ran your commands too, but it only saved me 1mb; running apt-get clean brought it all down to 870MB
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[22:24] <ech0s7> raspbian by default uses dhcpcd for set IP address ?
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> ech0s7, yes.
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[22:27] <ech0s7> gordonDrogon: it's possible to use dhcpd with static ip ?
[22:28] <mjr> if you have control of the dhcp server and configure it so
[22:28] <ech0s7> mjr: i would that raspberry at bot set itself with address
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[22:29] <ech0s7> (at boot)
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> ech0s7, yes - set it in the dhcp server
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> ech0s7, then edit /etc/network/interfaces and fix it there - but that won't use dhcp.
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[22:31] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/interfaces has an example of what I have..
[22:31] <ech0s7> gordonDrogon: /etc/network/interfaces is autogenerated ?
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> I don't think do.
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[22:31] <gordonDrogon> but then again, I remove all the other network rubbish from my systems anyway.
[22:31] <mjr> it's not
[22:31] <ech0s7> gordonDrogon: this is mine http://pastebin.com/BYgwmDAs
[22:32] <jya> damn??? my pi crashed again this morning??? this got to be the most unstable boards I've ever played with...
[22:32] <mdszy> jya, what are you trying to do with it?
[22:32] <ech0s7> http://pastebin.com/mrRWACbi
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> ech0s7, yea, I saw something like that before I wiped it and made mine sane.
[22:32] <ech0s7> i'm not using dhcpcd for now, are you agree ?
[22:32] <mjr> Ah, a bridge setup.
[22:33] <mjr> no, you're not
[22:33] <jya> very simple task, I have two rs485/232 PL2303 converter connected to it, and collect data that i upload every minute
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> jya, are you overclocking?
[22:33] <ech0s7> yes mjr bridge setup
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> I think the bridge thing is an attempt to try to make it sane/easier for the dhcp listener to listen to wifi or ethernet at the same time...
[22:34] <mjr> you really don't want to have the lo interface commented out, you know
[22:34] <ech0s7> mjr: but what happens if when raspberry starts and there is yet another device with this address connected to network ?
[22:34] <mjr> ech0s7, confusion
[22:34] <jya> i had written a cron job that would test the various fault conditions i had noticed and reboot the board: like network not responding anymore, pl2303 kernel module being deactivated etc??? but there's nothing i can do about a hard crash??? and i'm not on site to find out why
[22:34] <nid0> well, you could use watchdog
[22:34] <jya> no over clocking, good power supply (came with the pi from element14), even got an external powered usb hub
[22:35] <nid0> fwiw, from some people's experience you're possibly not using a good power supply
[22:35] <nid0> some of the ones shipped as "compatible" by the suppliers are kinda crummy
[22:35] <jya> is there a hardware watchdog on this? how do i use it ?
[22:35] <ech0s7> mjr: ?
[22:35] <mjr> the pi is also kinda extremely picky about the supplies...
[22:35] <ech0s7> what kind of confusion ?
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[22:36] <nid0> jya: a starting point for you may be http://pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/post/001-who-watches-the-watcher
[22:36] <mjr> ech0s7, of the "either or both computers will have network trouble" variety
[22:36] <jya> nid0: it's powered by two power supply really, as I've noticed the pi will be powered by just the 18W power coming from the usb hub
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[22:36] <gordonDrogon> ech0s7, 2 devices with the same IP ... it's just not good.
[22:36] <ech0s7> i think that raspberry doesn't start network interface
[22:37] <ech0s7> i have to try
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> jya, 2 5V supplies going into the same 5v device isn't that good... the PSUs will sort of fight each other, or one will just shut down.
[22:37] <mjr> oh, you had lo there later on anyways, fine
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> jya, if the hub has a good PSU, you can powe the Pi from that - via a usb -> uUSB lead.
[22:38] <mjr> if the hub feeds power to its upstream, that's generally frowned upon. But you might actually try how it goes with that power alone.
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> so 2 cables from the hub to the Pi.
[22:38] <jya> gordonDrogon: you would hope that their would be a power controller to do just that. I designed electronic board for a living, and two power supply is never an issue normally??? and in any case??? you just can't win can you? been told that i need to use a powered usb hub, and the pi can be powered by the usb hub directly...
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> I'd run 2 cables rather than just one to get better power distribution (maybe, who knows)
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> jya, there is no power controller - these are sub $5 chinese devices we're talking about )-:
[22:39] <mjr> jya, a "powered usb hub" doesn't mean one that will feed power to the host, but one that will feed power to the devices.
[22:39] <IT_Sean> ^
[22:39] <jya> gordonDrogon: you're talking about the pi here?
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[22:40] <mjr> but yes, one would wish the pi'd be more robust wrt. power, I guess that's just one of those penny-pinching things
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> jya, the pi has no power control and the psu's are cheap.
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> rev 1 Pi's also had polyfuses on the USB ports which complicated matters.
[22:41] <jya> one thing that doesn't help is that the doc states the power supply should be 750mA, that's not even sufficient for 2 USB port
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[22:41] <gordonDrogon> that's why a powered hub is recommended.
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> I'm also sure I've read that the PCB tracking might not be up to supplying more than 200mA to the usb on the rev 1 boards too
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[22:43] <gordonDrogon> a few compromises to make it all fit - that plus the 700mA polyfuse on the Pi's 5V input ... and there's generally only 200mA left over from that 700mA too (ie. the Pi needs 500mA @ 5V)
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[22:44] <gordonDrogon> I powered my first Pi with a hub - found out that the hub beck-fed into the Pi, but due to the polyfuse it was tripping, so I connected up a power cable to the Pi from the hub too and it was perfect.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> a rev 2 pi might just be OK with the USB lead on its own.
[22:45] <mjr> I'm actually somewhat surprised that so many of the hubs do that, backfeed I mean
[22:45] <mjr> I guess I shouldn't be, shoddy cheap crap and so on
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> made to a budget ...
[22:46] <jya> gordonDrogon: oh, I see what you mean??? so the micro-usb is connected to the usb hub too??? did that improve things for you ?
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> they make the hub to take power from the host, then sell them with and without a PSU... without swtiching circuitry or even a switch to turn off the power with a psu as that'll add an extra cent to the cost which mounts up when you make a million ...
[22:47] <wooy> Hi, anyone using raspi as seedbox could share his experience? I have heard that there is a problem with upload speed stability.
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> jya that worked fine for me. (still does)
[22:47] <jya> it's frustrating me to no end that it keeps crashing
[22:47] <jya> i have a 512MB pi
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> rev 2.
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> anything in the logs?
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[22:53] <jya> gordonDrogon: for this last crash I can't tell.. becuase I've lost access and I'm not on site.
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[22:53] <jya> but usually you see errors about either the network card disappearing or the usb stuff missing
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[22:54] <gordonDrogon> do you have a usb key/drive too?
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[22:56] <gordonDrogon> only asking as there may still be issues there - copying data from usb drive to ethernet and back... there is only one USB on the Pi, so it's all shared on the same bus...
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> although there are people using their Pis for torrenting with big drives attached, so who knows...
[22:57] <chubzee> ive used my rpi for torrents with a usb hdd
[22:57] <chubzee> it's VERY slow
[22:57] <mdszy> ergh, why in the heck isn't this hostname resolution working
[22:57] <chubzee> maxed out at about 1.2mb/s
[22:57] <mdszy> It's worked every single time I've done it before XD
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[22:59] <jackmackg> is the compost out of the pi good?
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> jackmackg, good enough.
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[22:59] <gordonDrogon> I've had 640x480 on a TV and a monitor.
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> picture with pi driving a 30 year old monitor via compost video..
[23:00] <jackmackg> I mean composite*
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> compost is apt :)
[23:00] <Torikun> wow
[23:00] <Torikun> neat
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[23:00] <jackmackg> ok im looking to replace my wii
[23:01] <jackmackg> for video
[23:01] <Torikun> gordonDrogon: what is the andruino doing there
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[23:01] <gordonDrogon> it's just a little test bed I put together some time back (that photo was taken way back) it has some LEDs some switches and a pot.
[23:02] <Torikun> what is the test bed sued for
[23:02] <Torikun> looks cool
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> it's running a program that's acting as a 'remote control' so the Pi's sending it digitalWrite(), etc. commands ove the serial.
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> a testbed for my remote control protocol.
[23:02] <Torikun> oh
[23:02] <Torikun> neat
[23:02] <wooy> chubzee: damn, sounds really bad.
[23:03] <mdszy> jackmackg, why not just use HDMI?
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is running a program in BASIC that does the graphics - the bar-graph at the bottom and the circles are triggered from the Arduino
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[23:03] <gordonDrogon> mdszy, don't know about jackmackg but I didn't have anything HDMI capable for a long time...
[23:03] <mdszy> ah, yeah
[23:03] <mdszy> The only HDMI stuff I have are the TVs in my house XD
[23:03] <jackmackg> mdszy oh just cause I have this old set up and I watch 480p stuff on it anyway
[23:03] <mdszy> ah, alright
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> I bought hdmi to dvi converter, then I bought a reconditioned 16" TV with HDMI @ 720p.
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[23:04] <mdszy> I saw a cheap monitor on Amazon for like $100 though that did HDMI, was thinking about getting that.
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[23:05] <mjr> jackmackg, note that the analog audio out of the pi is not very good quality, so if you're planning on doing video, you might want a usb audio thing or something that extracts the audio from the digital hdmi signal
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> it's ok for playing Doom with :)
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> which is all I've used it for!
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[23:06] <Torikun> Good for playing movies back
[23:06] <Torikun> on tv plugged into speakers
[23:06] <jackmackg> ok that I liked to know about the audio. I am getting a usb audio thing
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[23:06] <mdszy> I'm trying to turn mine into a streaming music thing
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[23:09] <SanMysterious> hi, i have been installing xorg acceleration "EXA" for x11 but it says: screens found but none have a useable configuration... has anyone experienced such problems?
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[23:10] <pksato> X11 on rpi dont have access to GPU. EXA or other dont work.
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[23:12] <mjr> I presume he tried the preliminary exa driver that's in the works
[23:12] <mjr> (I haven't, and know little of it)
[23:12] <SanMysterious> indeed
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[23:13] <pksato> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=28294
[23:13] <jya> gordonDrogon: no.. The only thing attached to the pi are two pl2303 adapter, supposed to draw 18mA each . So normally, even the 1A power supply should be sufficient. I have the ethernet port in use and a SD card (class 10, 30MB/s stated)
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[23:15] <gordonDrogon> jya, only thing I can suggest is to get a 2nd and see if it behaves the same way...
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[23:19] <jackmackg> does the pi have overheating problems? .
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[23:21] <pierreghz> I have a quick question for people who run MAME??on their Pi:??does Street Fighter IIx (Super Street Fighter II Turbo) run at a decent framerate even with sound on? (sorry to ask again, just thought it would be more likely to be answered if I asked it later)
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[23:22] <nid0> jackmackg: no
[23:23] <aeny> hi folks... looking for some help w/ exim.
[23:23] <aeny> i'm trying to get mail sent to root/postmaster/etc. forwarded to an external address. looks like you're supposed to use /etc/email-addresses, but my config seems to be ignoring it. i've used dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config to setup exim initially. any ideas?
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[23:25] <nid0> assuming you have a standard config, you can just edit /etc/aliases
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[23:27] <aeny> x
[23:28] <aeny> hmmm... something's up here... not seeing all my responses
[23:28] <aeny> one more try...
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[23:29] <aeny> the file /etc/aliases doesn't normally allow external addresses -- though I did try it, just in case... no dice
[23:29] <aeny> (ah... I had started my reply with "/etc/aliases" - forgot about the leading slash)
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[23:32] <aeny> it's as if the /etc/email-addresses file is completely ignored. when I look at /var/log/exim4/mainlog, it looks as though exim is relaying absolutely everything without consulting with /etc/email-addresses
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[23:36] <jya> gordonDrogon: a 2nd what ? Pi ?
[23:38] <pronto> pizza pi
[23:39] <booyaa> its amore
[23:39] <booyaa> lalalalala
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[23:44] <markedathome> aeny: have you forced exim to reread the config files?
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[23:44] <TAFB> aeny: WarheadSSE over in #archlinux-arm is an exim expert :)
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[23:45] <aeny> I've restarted it (/etc/init.d/exim restart)
[23:45] <HylianSavior> do the USB ports get their 5V line straight from the microUSB power plug?
[23:46] <aeny> thanks, tafb, i'll head over there in a few and see if warheadsse can give me a hand
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[23:49] <TAFB> some ripping John Mayer comin up with the Pi powered stream :) http://mayer.click2stream.com
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[23:52] <biberao> yo
[23:52] <biberao> anyone knows
[23:53] <biberao> how can i enable my sound to my usb headset?
[23:53] <biberao> the usb was detectred
[23:54] <markedathome> you need to tell alsa and/or pulseaudio where to route depending on device. /etc/pulse/default.pa
[23:54] <biberao> i believe i found it also
[23:54] <biberao> one moment
[23:54] <markedathome> enter a line that is explicit: load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:0,0
[23:55] <markedathome> i have a 5ukp usb mic/audio out that if it is not inserted the hw:0,0 refers to the audio jack
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[23:57] <markedathome> might also need load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:0,1 for the mic input
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[23:57] <biberao> i did alsamixer
[23:57] <biberao> change card
[23:57] <biberao> but doesnt change
[23:58] <biberao> hum
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[23:58] <biberao> how can i disable the other one?
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