#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-23

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[0:01] <markedathome> fayimora: hi, did you get your xbmc video issues sorted?
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[0:01] <fayimora> markedathome: yeah i did.. i got OpenELEC
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[0:03] <biberao> markedathome: onre more hand please?
[0:04] <biberao> it detects the card but i cant output to it
[0:04] <markedathome> biberao: you need to change the line, options snd-usb-audio=-2 to options snd-usb-audio=0 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf
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[0:05] <markedathome> biberao: also you can tell mplayer, and aplay to explicitly route to the device
[0:05] <markedathome> aplay -l will give the name of the device
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[0:06] <biberao> markedathome: ive done that
[0:06] <biberao> and changed asound.conf
[0:07] <biberao> ever used omxplayer ?
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[0:07] <biberao> ive always used -o hdmi
[0:07] <biberao> but that outputs to the card directly
[0:07] <biberao> hum
[0:07] <markedathome> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Right.wav -D sysdefault:CARD=Device
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[0:08] <markedathome> where Device is the name, and may or may not actually be "Device"
[0:08] <biberao> markedathome: ever used omxplayer
[0:08] <biberao> ?
[0:08] <biberao> im using that to play my staff
[0:09] <markedathome> yeah, hangon I need to move my audio around a bit
[0:09] <biberao> card 1: Set [C-Media USB Headphone Set], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
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[0:12] <markedathome> it might be card 1: mine defaults to card 0: with card 1: being the onboard jack
[0:12] <biberao> ok aplay works
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[0:12] <biberao> the problem is making omxplayer work it
[0:12] <biberao> :X
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[0:13] <markedathome> right omxplayer is defaulting to the jack, not the usb dev on mine, mplay and aplay are to the usb device
[0:14] <biberao> ya
[0:14] <biberao> how do i change that?
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[0:16] <biberao> doesnt work
[0:16] <biberao> so mplayer it goes
[0:16] <biberao> can i run mplayer on console?
[0:16] <markedathome> yes
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[0:17] <markedathome> i'm looking to see how omx routes audio to find out why it isn't going to the usb device
[0:17] <biberao> from what i googled
[0:17] <biberao> it just doesnt work
[0:17] <biberao> on omxplayer
[0:17] <biberao> so a apt-get install mplayer
[0:17] <biberao> will be sufficient???
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[0:19] <biberao> how can it output to the tv like omxplayer?
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[0:19] <markedathome> er, think so, it get's a bunch of other support packages
[0:20] <markedathome> I think it can use fbdev
[0:20] <biberao> ok thanks
[0:20] <AndrevS> I am not familiar with the debian-like distros (I'm an archlinux user). Anyhow, on arch, you have to add your user to the video group to use the framebuffer
[0:21] <markedathome> I've had a vnc session in and seen it just play a video (rather slowly) in the standard ui, however I am normally in an ssh session
[0:21] <biberao> small image
[0:22] <biberao> and the sound doesnt play either markedathome
[0:22] <markedathome> it appears in the sound and video menu on a raspbian image.
[0:22] <biberao> what should i change
[0:22] <biberao> thanks AndrevS
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[0:23] <AndrevS> What I said holds for archlinux image. It may or may not be the same on raspbian. check the rights of the framebuffer ( ls -l /dev/fb0 )
[0:23] <markedathome> I think at the moment you have the order reversed for the cards. I had to reboot to get a working setup which would then have a usb dev as first card hw:0,0 and onboard as second hw=1,0
[0:24] <AndrevS> and if nessesairy add yourself to the group (I think raspbian uses sudo by default?) sudo groupmems -a username -g groupname
[0:24] <AndrevS> where username is your username, and the groupname is the group as outputted by ls
[0:25] <AndrevS> which is on ArchLinuxARM "video", but it might differ on other distros
[0:25] <biberao> ok sound fixed for now
[0:25] <biberao> now i need to make it full image
[0:25] <biberao> :X
[0:26] <AndrevS> I just tried this myself an hour ago, and went on doing other things. I will have a look at it later.
[0:26] <biberao> now i need to get a full image size and decrease sound
[0:26] <biberao> lol
[0:26] <markedathome> decrease sound?
[0:26] <biberao> the usb headphone button doesnt work
[0:26] <biberao> :p
[0:26] <biberao> yes
[0:27] <AndrevS> I wanted to pauze it in my first test, and I pressed space, but it seems it lowered the volume.
[0:27] <biberao> lol
[0:27] <biberao> sound fixed
[0:27] <biberao> now i need the larger image
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[0:28] <AndrevS> anyhow.... since omxplayer can't handle all codecs ( like old divx3 ) and software decoding is fast enough, I want to investigate if it is possible to configure xbmc to choose a player based on the codec.
[0:29] <AndrevS> mplayer plays (at least my test file) well. (still have to find out how to resize though )
[0:29] <markedathome> click and drag?
[0:29] <biberao> dont know AndrevS
[0:29] <biberao> i cant make it larger
[0:29] <biberao> :|
[0:30] <AndrevS> markedathome, using framebuffer output, no X, no gui
[0:30] <markedathome> mplayer -h : -x <x> -y <y> set display resolution (for use with -vm or -zoom)
[0:31] <biberao> mplayer crashed
[0:31] <biberao> lol
[0:31] <biberao> i made it run at 1366:768
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[0:32] <biberao> with omxplayer it gets fullscreen
[0:32] <markedathome> for different values of fullscreen?
[0:33] <AndrevS> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/MPlayer.html#fbdev says to use -vf scale
[0:33] <biberao> i did that
[0:33] <biberao> it went nuts
[0:33] <markedathome> -fs?
[0:34] * Zarek_away is now known as Zarek_
[0:34] <biberao> like the file res is 640x360
[0:34] <biberao> and with mplayer it stays small
[0:35] <biberao> with -fs its still small
[0:35] <MAN-AT-ARMS> first run of RTCW on Raspberry Pi: http://youtu.be/XlKlRu20PNI
[0:35] <markedathome> rtcw is?
[0:35] <MAN-AT-ARMS> return to castle wolfenstein
[0:36] <markedathome> ah return to castle wolfenstein
[0:36] * markedathome is straight in at 1 view :-)
[0:37] <biberao> any idea
[0:37] <biberao> full screen centers the video but still small
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[0:39] <pksato> biberao: mplayer -vf scale=1366:768 movie
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[0:39] <chithead> mplayer -fs -x 1366 -y 768
[0:39] <biberao> pksato: it killed the video
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[0:40] <pksato> killed?
[0:40] <biberao> yes
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[0:40] <biberao> it gets stuck
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[0:41] <biberao> it drags the video
[0:41] <pksato> yes. BCM CPU dont have to play videos at this resolution.
[0:41] <biberao> pi died again
[0:41] <markedathome> what codec?
[0:41] <pksato> dont have power
[0:41] <biberao> pksato: it is used powered
[0:41] <biberao> and such
[0:41] <biberao> i just wanted to make omxplayer work with my usb headset
[0:41] <biberao> :|
[0:42] <biberao> omxplayer plays the video ncely
[0:42] <pksato> biberao: request to devel.
[0:42] <biberao> but the audio is the issue
[0:42] <biberao> pksato: like they care :P
[0:42] <SwK> anyone know about that USB packet dropping issue?
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[0:42] <biberao> any idea for that pksato ?
[0:42] <biberao> or it really doesnt run?
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[0:44] <biberao> markedathome: let me check
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[0:45] <biberao> markedathome: Xvid
[0:45] <biberao> pksato: what does it do "local" on omxplayer
[0:45] <biberao> ?
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[0:48] <biberao> doesnt work also chithead
[0:48] <biberao> oh well
[0:48] <biberao> need to improvise
[0:48] <biberao> :X
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[0:56] <prjkt> is there a cheap risc board like raspberry pi but even more powerful and in the same price range? ($15-$35 for the whole thing)? Maybe with fewer components, like just pins but no usb ethernet video etc. I mostly care about the processing power, and that it is a 'complete' system.
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[0:58] <chithead> prjkt: yes, the android tv dongles
[0:58] <knoppies> prjkt, what about a micro processor?
[0:59] <knoppies> prjkt, oh more powerful. HMMM
[1:00] <markedathome> odroid x2/u2 quadcore chipset. about 80-130USD
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[1:01] <chithead> that's a far cry from $15-35
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[1:03] <markedathome> yea, but there is nothing down at rpi level that is better. cheaper and you are looking at something like the stm32 stelaris launchpad (sp?) about 10usd/ukp
[1:04] <markedathome> better and you are looking at allwinner a10cpu at 20-50usd more
[1:04] <prjkt> yes, that is much much more expensive
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[1:04] <prjkt> for $80-$130 you get quad processors at like 1.2 ghz.
[1:04] <prjkt> (in the same format, I mean)
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[1:05] <Coburn> I got the $80 model. ODROID-U2
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[1:05] <prjkt> $20 more sounds about the limit
[1:05] <Coburn> 1.7Ghz Quad Core
[1:05] <biberao> bye good night and thanks
[1:05] <prjkt> yeah that's the type of thing I was asking about, but instead of $80, more like $40-$50 or maybe like $55 REALLY pushing it.
[1:05] <markedathome> the odroid u2 is a quad core 1.7ghz, 2 gb board for 89usd
[1:05] <prjkt> anything like that? in the same space as odroid-u2 and allwinner a10pcu?
[1:06] <prjkt> yes. is there anything like that more like $50-$55?
[1:06] <chithead> mk802 / allwinner a10, http://www.aliexpress.com/item/HD-Android-4-0-4-Mini-PC-Wifi-TV-BOX-Wi-Fi-IPTV-Google-Internet-TV/729110159.html $34.99 with free shipping
[1:06] <prjkt> because $89 is 61% more expensive.
[1:06] <prjkt> that is good
[1:06] <chithead> the dual-core models are around $45
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[1:07] <prjkt> right chithead, this is what I was asking about - thanks!
[1:07] <prjkt> I would say that this is in the same price space as raspberry pi
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[1:07] <markedathome> http://apc.io/products/8750a/
[1:07] <markedathome> 49usd
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[1:07] <chithead> be aware that distro support for these is limited. an ubuntu port exists, but for other distros some tinkering is required
[1:08] <prjkt> the "like this" on the bottom also shows some other candidates
[1:08] <prjkt> so, what would they run instead? stock android or what?
[1:08] <prjkt> whatever they run, I imagine I can get at quite a bit of the on-board processing very quickly
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[1:09] <chithead> they come with android preinstalled
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[1:09] <markedathome> there are ubuntu images for 802, and 808. from what i remember you really want an 802 mk II
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[1:10] <markedathome> rather than a straight 802. the 808 is better, but I don't know anything about the 809
[1:10] <chithead> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Rikomagic-MK802-II-Mini-Android-4-0-PC-Android-TV-Box-A10-Cortex-A8-1GB-RAM/658117615.html $37.88
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[1:13] <Coburn> I don't trust Chinese android boxes.
[1:13] <Coburn> ODROID-U2 is Korean
[1:13] <Viper-7> https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A13/A13-OLinuXino-MICRO/ ?
[1:13] <Coburn> I've had a 10" Android tablet and it was sh*t
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[1:13] <Viper-7> same processor as that android stick
[1:13] <Coburn> Do note that Allwinner = garbage
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[1:14] <chithead> there are worse than allwinner. rockchip, amlogic and telechips to name a few
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[1:15] <markedathome> builtin wifi -> https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A13/A13-OLinuXino-WIFI
[1:15] <Coburn> rockchip dualcores are good apparently
[1:15] <chithead> 256mb for the linuxino is a bit on the low side
[1:15] <Coburn> yeah
[1:15] <Coburn> Look at the CuBox. $150 and you get 800Mhz ARMv7 Power and 1GB DDR3
[1:15] <Coburn> CuBox pro is an extra $10
[1:15] <Viper-7> standard ver is $10 more
[1:15] <Coburn> 2GB DDR3
[1:15] <Viper-7> 512mb ram
[1:15] <Viper-7> https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A13/A13-OLinuXino/
[1:16] <Viper-7> btw prjkt, did you end up seeing the final link i gave the other night? the single all-in-one module for $6? :P
[1:16] <chithead> I do think $50-$55 was established as hard limit in this discussion already
[1:16] <Viper-7> EUR $45 is probably over that already :P
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[1:17] <prjkt> Viper-7: i forget what the discussion was about. were we talking about micros (with adc and rf) or something else?
[1:17] <prjkt> Viper-7 can you tell me the context again?
[1:17] <Viper-7> prjkt: yep
[1:17] <Viper-7> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/msp430f2121-bk2421-nrf24l01-wireless-module-msp430-development-board.html
[1:17] <prjkt> No, I missed it, this is interesting.
[1:17] <Viper-7> thats the nRF 2.4ghz wireless module, and an msp430, setup on the one pcb ready for battery/power + sensors
[1:18] <Viper-7> the only caveat, it doesnt have a `real` ADC on the msp430
[1:18] <prjkt> but so it only comes with one, huh,a nd its tx rx?
[1:18] <prjkt> so what does it have?
[1:18] <prjkt> aac?
[1:18] <Viper-7> a timer and comparator
[1:18] <Viper-7> so sweep adc
[1:18] <Viper-7> which can be more precise, just slower
[1:19] <Viper-7> and yep, full tx/rx, although you could use one of the cheaper modules with just an nRF chip for the receiving side
[1:19] <prjkt> like, how many samples per second? and how many channels could that support?
[1:19] <Viper-7> it has an 8 channel mux
[1:19] <prjkt> so, if you were reading all 8 as adc, then how many samples would that "slow" translate to?
[1:19] <Viper-7> as for samples per second, depends on the precision you want
[1:20] <Viper-7> maybe up to like 100Hz ?
[1:20] <prjkt> Also I gotta say I saw this pi project video with radio transmission and the latency was so incredibly slow. I'll try to find it. Like easily 300 ms.
[1:20] <prjkt> oh that's fine
[1:21] <Viper-7> heh, the one with the pi bit banging FM radio?
[1:21] <prjkt> how much latency do you think this chip introduces as opposed to a wired connection?
[1:21] <Viper-7> yeah latency wasnt exactly a priority there :P
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[1:21] <prjkt> I'm not sure
[1:21] <prjkt> it had two leds
[1:21] <prjkt> hold on a moment maybe I can find it. Unfortunately I bookmarked about 400 links in the past three days lol
[1:21] <Kanerix> hooray for full framerate 720p x264 decode with dts 5.1
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[1:23] <jackmackg> yay
[1:23] <Viper-7> prjkt: "As long as you give the 24L01 time to get settled in active RX/TX mode (130 uS from startup), the packet will be transmitted very quickly, and should take far less than 1 ms."
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[1:24] <Viper-7> i find that assertion supported by several projects using the nRF24L01 quoting latencies between 2 and 20ms, which are primarily protocol specific (the 2ms is a USB dongle, the 20ms is a bluetooth audio device)
[1:25] <prjkt> out of curiosity could you link one or two these projects if you recall them specifically offhand?
[1:25] <prjkt> i'd be interested in looking at them.
[1:25] <Viper-7> http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/HONSHI/20080429/151183/?P=2
[1:26] <Viper-7> http://globalaccessibilitynews.com/2012/04/05/danish-company-develops-innovative-hearing-aids-that-streams-wireless-audio-from-tvs-and-smartphones/
[1:26] <Viper-7> http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/archive/index.php/t-24768.html
[1:26] <Viper-7> bbl
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[1:27] <prjkt> okay
[1:27] <prjkt> thank you
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[1:42] <mdszy> if there was a device in /etc/fstab that wasn't currently connected, would that cause the thing to fail to boot?
[1:43] <mdszy> huh, nevermind
[1:43] <mdszy> seems it does
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[1:47] <scummos> mdszy: if you set it to noauto it won't be mounted by mount -a
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[1:47] <scummos> (thus not breaking startup if not present)
[1:47] <mdszy> ahh
[1:47] <mdszy> so like, under options I'd up
[1:47] <mdszy> *put
[1:47] <mdszy> defaults,noauto
[1:48] <mdszy> ?
[1:48] <mdszy> or just noauto?
[1:48] <scummos> defaults,noauto
[1:49] <mdszy> awesome, thanks!
[1:49] <scummos> you can still mount it by "mount <mount point or device name>" then
[1:49] <mdszy> ah
[1:49] <scummos> it won't be mounted automatically tough... which might be what you wanted...
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[1:50] <scummos> apparently there's a "nobootwait" option, maybe you can try that
[1:50] <mdszy> oh XD
[1:51] <mdszy> haha, that is kinda what I wanted, I'll try nobootwait though
[1:51] <scummos> but apparently that's an ubuntu thing...
[1:51] <scummos> then there's "nofail" :D
[1:51] <scummos> anyways that's a few things you can try, maybe one works? :D
[1:51] <mdszy> haha, thanks a ton!
[1:51] <scummos> nofail sounds good
[1:52] <scummos> googling for "fstab usb device" or similar gives many more suggestions...
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[1:53] <mdszy> ah, alright. Thanks again, scummos
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[2:35] <hobo> i have an issue with installing the raspberry pi os onto the sd card on os x
[2:35] <hobo> i get permission denied when trying to sudo access to dev/disk1
[2:37] <brady2600> is the sd card locked?
[2:37] <linuxstb> hobo: You shouldn't need sudo on OS X. The problem is probably that the disk is mounted - try "diskutil umount /dev/disk1s1" and then do your dd.
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[2:39] <hobo> it's not mounted
[2:40] <hobo> i unmounted the disk, then tried to dd and it said permission denied
[2:40] <linuxstb> What does "ls -l /dev/disk1" show?
[2:40] <axion> flip the write-protection switch
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[2:40] <hobo> ^ that was it
[2:40] <hobo> lol
[2:41] <axion> :p
[2:42] <techkid6> Odd... i didn't tell my client to join this chhan xD
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[2:48] <hobo> thanks axion :P
[2:48] <axion> np
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[3:21] <jya_> gordonDrogon: I'm at the site, ready to reset the pi
[3:21] <jya_> i tried your trick of powering the pi from the usb hub??? to won't even start that way...
[3:22] <jya_> my guess is that's it's a rubbish cheap powered usb hub and doesn't even output the right voltage
[3:22] <jya_> the pi will only start when powered by the power adapter that cam with it
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[3:41] <MrPockets> hey!
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[3:49] <MrPockets> Ive got a 16g sd card in my pi, but no reader on any of my PCs, Can I install via USB?
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[3:51] <akk> You'll probably need to get a USB SD reader.
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[3:52] <rubiconjosh> Woot, got my pi today, setting up vnc went very smooth
[3:54] <jackmackg> wow, i did not know there was no real time clock on the pi. I mean its not a big deal but something that just got past me
[3:57] <akk> I was surprised by that too.
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[4:08] <jya_> hum??? i activated the watchdog, and now it resets every 10s :(
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[4:10] <jya_> don't get enough time to log in and disable it ??? bummer
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[4:14] <rubiconjosh> Could you mount your sd card on your normal computer and disable it?
[4:15] <jya_> i only took a laptop with no sd card reader silly me
[4:15] <jya_> hum...
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[4:15] <jya_> ssh pi@ip sudo rm /etc/watchdog.conf did the trick
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[4:16] <jya_> what special option do you guys have in watchdog.conf ? i followed the instructions here :http://pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/post/001-who-watches-the-watcher
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[7:15] <LZZ> can anyone help me with this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=30717 ?
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[7:22] <ariqs> is there a raspberry pi with wifi?
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[7:24] <rikkib> No... You need a usb dongle and a powered hub
[7:27] <ariqs> is there a better raspberry pi-like deal for wifi?
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[7:34] <ariqs> rikkib: all I really want to do is connect wifi from one house to another house with an outdoor directional antenna. The raspberrypi seemed useful for this if it had any solution :P I guess I would just have to get a usb dongle that supported an external antenna and I'd be set?
[7:35] <rikkib> That would be one solution I guess
[7:35] <rikkib> I am not the best person to give advice as i have no wifi gear here
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[7:37] <rikkib> I use wired network and fixed ip... Reason. I have fixed IP adsl and run all my own services in my home office.
[7:38] <rikkib> Not that I have not run wireless long distance because I have.
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[7:39] <rikkib> 15km with 23db gain antenna and .5w
[7:39] <ariqs> nice
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[7:40] <Daemonx> lol 151 km
[7:40] <Daemonx> 15 km
[7:40] <Daemonx> insane man
[7:40] <Daemonx> lol
[7:41] <ariqs> he could have done better than that
[7:41] <ariqs> 20 miles is possible ;P
[7:41] <Daemonx> does somebody have ever made a bridge with an alfa and raspberry ?
[7:41] <rikkib> I am a radio ham and computer tech so my understanding is a little better than most... Have used Linux since floppy disk days
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[7:42] <Daemonx> yeah but it has to be bi directional in order to have something realiable
[7:43] <Daemonx> how can you boost you dpi that much rikkib ?
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[7:44] <rikkib> There are many factors that influence the distance. Noise floor now days can kill long dx
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[7:44] <rikkib> dpi?
[7:44] <rikkib> db
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[7:44] <rikkib> dish
[7:44] <rikkib> 23db
[7:45] <Daemonx> sorry it's 1:44 here in the morning
[7:45] <Daemonx> had a long ass day
[7:45] <rikkib> Expensive cable
[7:45] <Daemonx> any pictures of that setup ?
[7:46] <rikkib> Think about $250NZD for 7m or so from memory
[7:46] <rikkib> I was doing that in the early days of wifi
[7:46] <Daemonx> how old are you ?
[7:47] <rikkib> wifi is limited to .5w (250mW) here in NZ
[7:47] * rikkib is 52
[7:48] <rikkib> Worked in the PC industry from xt days
[7:48] <rikkib> before PC space invaders
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[7:49] <rikkib> Duel floppy 8080 machines running cpm
[7:49] <Daemonx> nust be a pseudo microwave around your project lol
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[7:49] <rikkib> One my early clients that ran cnc lathes
[7:49] <rikkib> for cutting contact lenses
[7:49] <Daemonx> I am happy people here are not kids
[7:50] <rikkib> Although kids can be hard to deal with they are the future
[7:51] <rikkib> and really what the RPi is all about
[7:51] <Daemonx> I am new to it but Amazed by it
[7:51] <Daemonx> god a problem bridging my alfa antenna with my eth0
[7:52] <rikkib> It is pretty innovative
[7:52] <Daemonx> gotta watch that carefully tomottow
[7:53] <Daemonx> *tomorrow, im tired ass hell now my typing is a bit off
[7:53] <Daemonx> was nice to know about your project though
[7:54] <rikkib>
[7:55] <rikkib> Off to change this RPi cam with one that runs from nfs and a linux server for the gateway
[7:55] <rikkib> Best viewed with vlc
[7:56] <rikkib> 2gb sd card with boot partition on it... The rest on the Linux server
[7:57] <rikkib> motion running on both the Linux gateway and the RPi
[7:57] <rikkib> This is the best sort of thing the RPi is most useful at
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[7:59] <rikkib> The other current project involves the same sort of cam technology expanded to an intercom plus gpio used to control a gate opener/take user input to call fixed station which can open the gate
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[8:00] <randomdev> how good is voice recognition stuff? I was thinking a voice controller spotify client would be awesome
[8:00] <Daemonx> what do you use as the extention of your raspberry for the domotiqu
[8:01] <Daemonx> I mean what module ?
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[8:03] <rikkib> cams use uvc driver
[8:03] <Daemonx> cool
[8:03] <rikkib> But beware
[8:03] <Daemonx> I am intending to the same
[8:04] <rikkib> New kernels has bugs that mean the cam will not hold up under load
[8:04] <Daemonx> after I finish my access point
[8:04] <rikkib> I use kernel ver 3.1.09
[8:05] <Daemonx> yeah recompiling my kernel was a part of the plan actually
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[8:05] <Daemonx> Ok it's time to go to bed
[8:05] <Daemonx> got school and appointments tomorrow
[8:05] * rikkib has to water the garden... Wed Jan 23 20:05:34 NZDT 2013
[8:06] <Daemonx> catch up with you layer
[8:06] <rikkib> Night
[8:06] <Daemonx> please to have talked to you :)
[8:06] <Daemonx> ciao chaps
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[8:42] <randomdev> dont suppose anyone is using spotimc ?
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[9:05] <LZZ> I'm having a problem while booting
[9:05] <LZZ> after loading the USB devices
[9:05] <LZZ> just before de udevd line or something like this
[9:05] <LZZ> my raspi hangs
[9:06] <LZZ> there's nothing on the USB and no ethernet cable connected
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[9:06] <LZZ> I'm running gentoo
[9:06] <LZZ> any ideas?
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[9:09] <factor> I cant seem to get my usb wireless keybaord to work on boot up
[9:10] <factor> You wouod think it would be able to use a usb keyboard
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[9:12] <factor> ok rebooted now it seems to work
[9:12] <TomWij> LZZ: First install? Does it report any error or anything?
[9:12] <LZZ> it just hangs
[9:12] <LZZ> raspbian boots just fine
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[9:14] <LZZ> it hangs at [ 3.116771] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: register 'smsc95xx' at usb-bcm2708_usb-1.1, smsc95xx USB 2.0 Ethernet, b8:27:eb:f7:69:6d
[9:17] <LZZ> if there are more usb devices, like flash drives
[9:17] <LZZ> it loads it before hanging
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[9:19] <factor> using my mini projector on the pi , works great with it on the RCA out
[9:20] <factor> installed raspbian on it , or doing so now
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[9:25] <jimboy> has anyone tried any javafx stuff on raspberrypi here?
[9:26] <TomWij> LZZ: Which parameters do you pass, those from the wiki guide?
[9:27] <LZZ> TomWij: I've followed the guide 3 exactly as it's there
[9:27] <LZZ> and did some tests
[9:27] <LZZ> nothing works
[9:27] <LZZ> tried changing kernel, etc
[9:27] <LZZ> same thing
[9:28] <TomWij> Hmm, weird.
[9:28] <TomWij> Which kernel, 3.2 or 3.6?
[9:28] <LZZ> 3.6 and 3.2
[9:28] <LZZ> tried both
[9:28] <TomWij> The line it hangs at seems to be the ethernet driver, though it might hang on the line after that.
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[9:29] <TomWij> smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: register 'smsc95xx' at usb-bcm2708_usb-1.1, smsc95xx USB 2.0 Ethernet, b8:27:eb:f0:45:32
[9:29] <LZZ> it hangs after that it seems
[9:29] <TomWij> EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): mounting ext3 file system using the ext4 subsystem
[9:29] <LZZ> as I said
[9:29] <LZZ> if I connect a USB device
[9:29] <LZZ> it loads it after the ethernet
[9:29] <TomWij> LZZ: root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=1
[9:29] <LZZ> but hangs after
[9:29] <LZZ> at cmdline.txt?
[9:30] <TomWij> 1 one might be too low, try 2 or higher. It's in seconds so don't put it too large either.
[9:30] <TomWij> Yeah.
[9:30] <LZZ> doing it
[9:31] <TomWij> The guide tells you to do 2 somewhere (on one other pages maybe it links to).
[9:31] <TomWij> But well, 1 seems to work alright too...
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[9:33] <LZZ> ok, did it
[9:33] <LZZ> but it didnt work
[9:33] <LZZ> it prints the ethernet line
[9:33] <LZZ> then it mounts the root
[9:34] <LZZ> but hangs just after
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[9:34] <LZZ> and before udev
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[9:43] <factor> takes a while to generate all the locale files
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[9:45] <TomWij> LZZ: So, one step furthre?
[9:45] <TomWij> devtmpfs: mounted
[9:46] <LZZ> not really
[9:46] <LZZ> it just did the mountig after the usb
[9:46] <LZZ> before adding the delay, it did it before.
[9:46] <TomWij> Make sure DEVTMPFS is enabled.
[9:48] <LZZ> devtmpfs: mounted
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[9:52] <enthusi> Hi
[9:52] <enthusi> dies any of you know if the gcc in the current wheezy automatically enables armhf for compiling?
[9:52] <enthusi> or will I have to patch the Makefiles accordingly?
[9:52] <TomWij> LZZ: So, it also frees kernel memory, do sd / usb but does NOT do "udevd[149]: starting version 171"?
[9:52] <factor> was reading facebook post, does raspberry have a PDF of the layout , png I would have to resize to match DPI
[9:53] <LZZ> Yes
[9:53] <factor> pdf makes better templates
[9:53] <TomWij> LZZ: Hmm, think there is something up with udev on it then... :S You could try another stage3 file.
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[9:54] <LZZ> I did
[9:54] <TomWij> (#gentoo topic also mentions "boot hangs after init-early.sh? enable CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT")
[9:54] <TomWij> Though I suppose init-early is later than the udev dmesg message.
[9:55] <LZZ> I tired january 17 and january 10 stage3
[9:55] <LZZ> should I try an earlier one?
[9:55] <TomWij> LZZ: Try early December.
[9:56] <LZZ> Ok, ill do that, but will take some time
[9:56] <TomWij> Hope it works for you then. Or there's something broken in current kernel / firmware...
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[10:00] <LZZ> hum
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[10:00] <LZZ> http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/arm/autobuilds/
[10:00] <LZZ> no stage3 from december here
[10:02] <yaayaa> hi all. I still have problem to use omxplayer under archlinux, with xfce desktop. it works once (if I launch just after boot) but any further trial fails.
[10:02] <yaayaa> can someone help ?
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[10:03] <yaayaa> no error message, the console just disappears, the omxplayer process still run in the background, with low cpu usage, and a blank screen
[10:03] <yaayaa> everything else is working fine, resolution is ok (720p)
[10:05] <Damme> hello, The hdmi-cec pin on rpi hdmi-connector. Where is this connected? is it connected to a GPIO ?
[10:07] <linuxstb> Damme: I would assume all HDMI pins are connected to the Broadcom chip - you could look at the schematics (ask google)
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[10:11] <Damme> linuxstb after looking all over again, I found it.. :) connected to BCM2835
[10:12] <LZZ> Well, I can't find an older stage3
[10:13] <LZZ> I guess I'll have to wait to see if more people have this problem.
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[10:21] <booyaa> have you tried the forum?
[10:22] <LZZ> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=30717
[10:24] <TomWij> Heh, they release often.
[10:26] <LZZ> every day
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[10:51] <pierreghz> I have a quick question for people who run MAME??on their Pi:??does Street Fighter IIx (Super Street Fighter II Turbo) run perfectly on it?
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[10:55] <Viper-7> pierreghz: i would certainly expect so, but i havent tried on mine
[10:56] <Viper-7> dont have it here tho, might give it a spin tomorrow if you still havent found an answer
[10:56] <Davespice> morning folks
[10:57] <neilr> 'ello
[10:57] <Davespice> I had a go on that glint NES emulator and found, to my horror, that my reflexes are very rusty now
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[11:00] <Davespice> I could only get to level 8 on Tetris :)
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[11:11] <mdik> jorick: after some more fiddling (and purging console-kit also): http://pastie.org/5829101
[11:11] <wishi> has anybody used a usb tv card on the raspberry?
[11:13] <factor> I cant get my usb mouse to work on pi
[11:13] <factor> I have it booting up into gfx, keyboard worked , but mouse is not.
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[11:16] <mdik> factor: what kind of mouse is it? does it show up when you enter "lsusb" at the commandline?
[11:17] <factor> let me see mdik
[11:17] <mdik> another command to see, if the system registers the mouse is "dmesg"
[11:17] <factor> I cant get the keyboard to work wither
[11:18] <factor> finds it in dmesg
[11:18] <factor> on bootup
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[11:18] <mdik> factor: but the keyboard worked before some time?
[11:18] <factor> its a keyboard mouse combo
[11:18] <factor> yes the keyboard worked
[11:18] <factor> not either in GFX
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[11:18] <mdik> but it does not anymore?
[11:18] <mdik> it works in commandline but not X?
[11:18] <factor> correct
[11:19] <factor> I cant do a ctrl-f1 to get to console
[11:19] <mdik> i reached the end of what i can do. but now there is lots of information others might be able to figure out what it is with...
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[11:20] <factor> how can I boot up with out going into X
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[11:21] <factor> bootup into init 1
[11:21] <mdik> factor: isnt it the default behaviour of the pi to _not_ boot into X?
[11:22] <factor> I set it up in rasp config to boot into X
[11:22] <Davespice> factor: I've seen wierd behaviour if your mouse wants to use more than 100 mA, it should be printed on the bottom along with the voltage
[11:23] <factor> its wireless dongle
[11:23] <Davespice> oh right ah
[11:23] <factor> keyboard and mouse are on the same dongle
[11:23] <Davespice> okay, and this dongle, is it he only usb device plugged in?
[11:23] <factor> and keyboard worked while setting up
[11:23] <mdik> it being wireless doesnt mean it uses no power
[11:23] <factor> yes
[11:24] <factor> besides the SD card
[11:24] <Davespice> okay, do you know its current requirement?
[11:24] <factor> and usb power
[11:24] <factor> the keyboard works
[11:24] <Davespice> in terms of amps
[11:24] <factor> or worked
[11:24] <factor> it shoud be less than any other config uisng the same dongle for both mouse and keyboard
[11:24] <Davespice> the pi can only supply 200 mA to usb devices, if the dongle wants more than that (say 210 mA) you're going to get issues
[11:25] <factor> I imagine it would be less
[11:25] <Davespice> it'll probably be printed on it
[11:25] <factor> its using the same usb port for both mouse and keyboard
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[11:26] <Davespice> what I am saying isn't sinking in is it? :)
[11:26] <factor> well it could be X not setup for it
[11:26] <factor> the command line worked
[11:26] <factor> but I cant get into console mode
[11:26] <factor> all i care about now is getting back into console on boot
[11:26] <factor> this worked already with this dongle
[11:27] <factor> How can I boot into pi with only text
[11:27] <dape8708> give it a little time Davespice :P
[11:29] <Davespice> factor: if you're using raspbian, you login and just DONT type startx
[11:29] <factor> It starts X when I boot into it
[11:29] <Davespice> oh what sd card image do you have?
[11:30] <factor> raspian the newest one
[11:30] <Davespice> I'm starting to wonder if this is a troll now, as I am pretty sure the latest image does not auto start x
[11:31] <factor> dont be a dunce
[11:31] <factor> of course it does
[11:31] <factor> what is wrong with you dude , you even have a pi
[11:31] <factor> I see scratch IDLE python games pi stires etc.
[11:32] <Dyskette> The latest raspbian image does not autostart X.
[11:32] <factor> store^
[11:32] <Dyskette> Surely.
[11:32] <factor> yes it does if you set it up to do so
[11:32] <Dyskette> I helped a friend set their pi up yesterday, and it does not boot X by default.
[11:32] <factor> its starts raspian config , its an option
[11:32] <Dyskette> factor: the pi does [x] if you set it up to do so, where [x] is pretty damn near anything
[11:32] <factor> but you dont get that option after you set it up .
[11:32] <Davespice> oh so you configured it to auto start x then, right
[11:33] <factor> yes
[11:33] <factor> it asked if I wanted it.
[11:33] <factor> now I cant get it to not do so
[11:33] <Davespice> factor: lets just be clear on one thing, no one here is obliged to help you, this is not the official support channel for the raspberry pi, if you want people to help you, don't call them a dunce mkay?
[11:33] <factor> should ctrl f1 get me a console
[11:33] <Dyskette> factor: from a terminal, run sudo raspi-config
[11:33] <factor> you dont have to be a jack hole either
[11:34] <Dyskette> factor: and you can use tty1 or an xterm, either should work
[11:34] <factor> ctrl-alt-f1 is not working
[11:34] <Dyskette> factor: then open an xterm and run it from there
[11:34] <Davespice> factor: if you contine to be offensive, I'm just going to kick you
[11:34] <Dyskette> Or whatever software terminal it has
[11:35] <factor> I am the one being called a troll by some sumb arse
[11:35] <Dyskette> factor: you're the one using words like 'arse'
[11:35] * factor was kicked from #raspberrypi by Davespice
[11:35] <Davespice> lol
[11:35] <Dyskette> Yep
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[11:36] <Davespice> what do you reckon, troll or just some stupid kid?
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[11:37] <Dyskette> Davespice: is there really a difference?
[11:37] <Davespice> okay, well, we kick once, that's a warning, next offence is a ban
[11:37] <factor> go ahead and ban me
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[11:38] <Davespice> anyway, what Dyskette said is probably right
[11:39] <Davespice> run LXTerminal, do raspi-config and turn off the option you set to auto startx x
[11:39] <Dyskette> sudo raspi-config, even ;)
[11:39] <Davespice> I think you should be able to tab to the icon
[11:39] <neilr> err... if the keyboard isn't working, how do you type "raspi-config" ? :)
[11:40] <Davespice> neilr: I think his problem was the mouse
[11:40] <neilr> Ah, sorry - just sat down with a cuppa. Missed the first part.
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[11:43] <mdik> it's both the keyboard and the mouse
[11:44] <mdik> but maybe you can borrow another set of keyboard/mouse, just to set it up, factor
[11:44] <factor> plugged in another usb keyboard and then plugged in the keyboard mouse combo again and it started working.
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[11:45] <factor> does not seem to be consistent.
[11:45] <Dyskette> Really sounds like a power issue.
[11:45] <mdik> odd. so maybe it is a powerproblem after all
[11:45] <neilr> Anything in dmesg and/or /var/log/messages?
[11:46] <factor> its finds it in var log, any programs to show amperage uage
[11:46] <mdik> which brings me to:
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[11:46] * mdik is listening to Daft Punk - Human after all
[11:46] <mdik> (:
[11:46] <Davespice> I have seen this kind of thing with usb devices that want to draw too much power, I used a keyboard that had a load of those extra buttons at the top for volume - browser launching and stuff, as well as a normal mouse
[11:46] <factor> amperage usage program
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[11:47] <Davespice> the classic sign of that is when the characters you type repeat a lot for no reason, so you press h and you get hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[11:47] <Dyskette> factor: you'd need a multimeter for that, really
[11:47] <neilr> Doubtful - I don't think the current draw from the USB port is made available in software. Could be wrong though - I don't use linux.
[11:47] <factor> it shoudl be in the usb config
[11:47] <Dyskette> It isn't.
[11:48] <factor> its max setting that is not detecting
[11:48] <KnMn> That repeating thing happens with my little Rii keyboard which I understand lots of people use with RPis :/
[11:48] <factor> does pi come with libusb, that is what has this data.
[11:49] <Davespice> yeah ideally you should only have 100 mA for each USB port, or if only one is being used 200
[11:49] <Davespice> just check what power its using KnMn
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[11:49] <mdik> $ aptitude search libusb
[11:50] <factor> lsusb -v gove some info
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[11:56] <factor> found it was in lsusb -v
[11:56] <factor> 98ma
[11:56] <factor> logitech rec.
[11:57] <factor> so it is really close to 100ma but less than. not overclocking it either.
[11:59] * nid0 rips hair out
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[11:59] <factor> so if the limit is 100ma, that could vary from time to time for sure with a margin of error
[11:59] <pierreghz> Thank you Viper-7. Send me a memo if you can :)
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[12:01] <nid0> i'd be eternally grateful if anyone could conjure up a reason why apache segfaults and dies because of APC when doing a graceful restart, but from a forced stop and start both apache and APC work perfectly fine :<
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[12:03] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[12:03] <factor> also if i do a lsusb -v|grep Maxpower it will show all the power req. which mine are 2mA + 2Ma+ 98Ma = 102Ma
[12:03] <factor> sorry lsusb -v|grep MaxPower
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> hever had a segfault - the usual reason I've seen it break is someone uploading an invalid ssl certificate, but that stops it starting in the first place..
[12:03] <factor> so the usb bus is using a total of 102mA
[12:04] <Mortvert> Afternoon.
[12:04] <Mortvert> gordonDrogon - never had a segfault? That's a good thing!
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[12:04] <gordonDrogon> Mortvert, on apache..
[12:04] <dape8708> hey Mortvert , got the Pi ?
[12:04] <Mortvert> dape8708 - not yet.
[12:05] <Mortvert> Not even a despatch mail
[12:05] <dape8708> just hold on, it will come
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> at least not that I can remember...
[12:05] <nid0> i've confirmed that the fault is definitely to do with loading APC because it will gracefully restart fine if php.ini's altered to not load APC
[12:05] <Mortvert> dape8708 - but the waiting time is killing me ;_;
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[12:06] <dape8708> nid0, apc compiled for other php version/package/etc ?
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[12:06] <nid0> I just can't for the life of me think what APC might be doing differently between a cold start and a graceful restart
[12:06] <dape8708> Mortvert, i totally understand, i am waiting for my second since this morning
[12:06] <Mortvert> dape8708 - at least you don't have to wait for a despatch mail then +5 days
[12:06] <nid0> dape8708: shouldnt be, its from debian's apc package, and it does run perfectly when apache is cold started
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[12:07] <nid0> its also fine if the extension is loaded but apc is set in php.ini to disabled
[12:07] <nid0> its just having apc actually enabled and running + a graceful restart that borks it
[12:08] <dape8708> nid0, perhaps turning logging more verbose could help you
[12:09] <nid0> hm, fixed it
[12:09] <nid0> this has gotta be a bug in apc
[12:09] <factor> And to get the keyboard and mouse combo to work I have to unplug the dongle after everything is loaded and plug it back it, it seems to be tripping the 100ma limit on the USB bus.
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[12:15] <jacekowski> nid0: what APC has to do with apache
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[12:15] <jacekowski> nid0: you shouldn't be using mod_php anyways
[12:15] <Mortvert> dape8708 - it was a choice between waiting and paying double the worth of a pi :|
[12:15] <dape8708> so you waited.
[12:16] <Mortvert> Yep. Waiting. For the despatch mail.
[12:16] <nid0> mod_php is perfectly fine
[12:17] <factor> need to make a USB in between connector with a reset button it.
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[12:18] <dape8708> Mortvert, well, i got one and second is coming so i'm gonna take care of them and feed them and cherish them and all sorts of lovely things
[12:18] <factor> or a usb in between connector with external power source. not using bus power.
[12:18] <factor> only passing data.
[12:18] <dape8708> screw iphone, rpi is the best gadget to have
[12:18] <Armand> ^
[12:18] <Mortvert> dape8708 - we'll see for how long ;)
[12:18] <factor> should be easy mode
[12:18] <factor> mod^
[12:18] <Mortvert> iphones are overrated sponge phone
[12:18] <dape8708> Mortvert, as long as they run at 900mhz of course
[12:19] <Mortvert> They soak up all yer moneys
[12:19] <Mortvert> dape8708 - all i want my rpi for is all sorts of console emulation.
[12:19] <dape8708> doesnt matther as long as they love me back
[12:19] <Mortvert> There's even a full-speed PS1 emulator no.
[12:19] <Mortvert> now*
[12:20] <Mortvert> then there's mame, nes, snes, c64, gba, gbc and all other sorts of things
[12:20] <Mortvert> I killed the chat, didn't i?
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[12:24] <Davespice> factor: you haven't got a powered USB hub around have you? as that would probably solve a power consumption issue
[12:24] <Mortvert> dape8708 - do you know if there is any way that i can wire in my c64 gamepad into rpi?
[12:24] <factor> yes i have a power hub as well
[12:24] <Davespice> might be worth it for process of elimination
[12:25] <dape8708> Mortvert, nope, i'm not so hardware addicted, i'm only doing soft stuff on these
[12:25] <Mortvert> Aw.
[12:25] <LilSnoop4> Good morning, well i have receieved the case, sd card and wifi card yesterday. just waiting on the board to get this up and running.! cant wait, how do i control xbmc on raspberry is there a remote for it. Thanks
[12:25] <dape8708> LilSnoop4, i think there are android and iphone apps for phones connected to the same wifi AP as your pi
[12:25] <Mortvert> At least you got a case, i have to build my own. From lego. :V
[12:27] <LilSnoop4> nice, thanks sir... wish the board was here yesterday with the other stuff. not have to wait longer. after installing the board and stuff in the case about how long after till im up and running xbmc on raspberry?
[12:29] <jelly1> 24 hours
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[12:29] <factor> using the usb hub on my main system, so wont try it anytime soon, but I imagine that is the case, being @ 102mA rating of the wholeusb bus right now.
[12:30] <jelly1> LilSnoop4: openelec takes < 10 minutes ;)
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[12:37] <aDro> It's so cold in my room that my CPU temp of my home server reached below 40C
[12:38] <LilSnoop4> jelly1 - thanks i am eager to try this out. just wanna see how good xbmc runs navi-x or 1channel through it.
[12:38] <aDro> I need a blanket or something.
[12:38] <Shift_> Nice, that's going to be the room temperature here tomorrow
[12:38] <jelly1> what is navi-x or 1channel?
[12:39] <cdan2> LilSnoop4
[12:39] <jelly1> if it's wmv* your going to hate it :p
[12:39] <cdan2> LilSnoop4, I have my arduino connected to my LCD TV through HDMI and I can controle xbmc with the TV's remote
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[12:40] <jelly1> cdan2: could just buy an ir receiver for the Pi
[12:40] <cdan2> LilSnoop4, not arduino but raspberrypi :))
[12:40] <jelly1> or a remote which is like 10 dollars
[12:40] <jelly1> navi-x looks useless
[12:41] <LilSnoop4> thanks cdan2
[12:41] <Mortvert> aDro - run something CPU-heavy ;)
[12:41] <Mortvert> like i dunno, folding@home
[12:41] <cdan2> jelly1, no need, if you just want XBMC , then the TV's remote will do. Besides, I already have it, no need to spend extra money
[12:41] <jelly1> cdan2: hmm i might do that
[12:42] <jelly1> cdan2: but how do you make it control the Pi instead of your TV :D
[12:42] <jelly1> ;)
[12:42] <cdan2> jelly1, the HDMI protocol actually sends commands back to pi
[12:42] <jelly1> wut
[12:42] <jelly1> huh
[12:43] <cdan2> jelly1, though, one of my friends has a TV that does not seem to play nice with HDMI and the remote control
[12:43] <jelly1> why would hdmi do that O.o
[12:43] <cdan2> jelly1, mine works like a charm
[12:43] <jelly1> ok interesting
[12:43] <jelly1> atm i use my phone
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[12:44] <cdan2> jelly1, well, I do know for sure that it works, because this is how I play movies on my pi + xbmc setup
[12:44] <jelly1> :)
[12:44] <mjr> so you can actually use the control channel on the pi? that's nice
[12:45] <mjr> jelly1, and it'd do that because it's nice ;]
[12:45] <jelly1> lol
[12:45] <jelly1> didn't expect hdmi to have support
[12:45] <jelly1> for that kind of feature ;)
[12:45] <cdan2> jelly1, check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
[12:46] <cdan2> look up for CEC
[12:46] <aDro> anyone use mksquashfs?
[12:46] <jelly1> cdan2: aha
[12:46] <jelly1> cool
[12:47] <jelly1> hdmi 1.4 also has ethernet :)
[12:47] <jelly1> there is a gameplug ( hdmi stick ) that get's it's power from hdmi
[12:48] <jelly1> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/872297630/gamestick-the-most-portable-tv-games-console-ever
[12:48] <Shift_> aDro, what about mksquashfs?
[12:48] <cdan2> jelly1, you can also plug in a wireless USB keyboard + mouse but it is too much hassle just for watching some movies
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[12:48] <jelly1> cdan2: i know
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[12:48] <jelly1> cdan2: i need a LCD tv ;)
[12:48] <jelly1> still using a crt one and text is blurry :)
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[13:00] <aDro> Shift_: Trying to create an img of arch for berry boot.
[13:00] <aDro> Didn't work the first time, don't know why.
[13:00] <Shift_> if you unsquash, does it all look right?
[13:01] <Shift_> I could just 'mksquashfs rootfs file.sqfs' and it would work. Not with berry boot (never used it), but with other things.
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[13:33] <megaproxy> anyone have experience with xdotool
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[13:35] <FR^2> hiho - my raspberry pi (512mb variant) hangs after about one or two minutes, only the red LED still on. Tried raspbmc and raspbian. I'm planning to change the power source (currently using one by RS components) - any other hints on tracking down that issue
[13:35] <FR^2> are welcome ;)
[13:36] <Shift_> sound like a faulty pi that you should get replaced
[13:36] <Shift_> check your voltage though
[13:39] <bxc> anyone know if the assembled gertboard comes with a connecting wire to the pi
[13:39] <bxc> (or whatever i need)
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[13:41] <aDro> How many Mac users does it take to screw in a light bulb?
[13:41] <FR^2> Shift_: That was my first thought. But if it's really a hardware fault, well, I'm screwed :/
[13:42] <Shift_> FR^2, why? Contact the distributor and get them to send you a new one.
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[13:43] <Octupus3> sofyan?
[13:44] <FR^2> Shift_: international shipping (I'm in germany) and such ;)
[13:44] <Shift_> FR^2, shouldn't matter. You paid for something and didn't get it. It's their job to correct the problem and pay for any additional shipping costs.
[13:44] <aDro> The Pi finally made it to Germany.
[13:46] <FR^2> Thanks, I'll try :)
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[13:46] <Shift_> Rule out supply and sd card issues first though
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[13:48] <LilSnoop4> question, i was told that i can use my iphone square wall charger plus a usb to micro for the power of the raspberry pi. is this ok, because then i read its not recommended. what is a good one to get? thanks
[13:48] <aDro> I wish I could open a Raspberry Pi & Pie shoppe.
[13:49] <mjr> aDro, is it illegal where you live?
[13:49] <aDro> Sell Raspberry Pi and Accessories, and sell Raspberry Pie and Acessories..
[13:49] <Shift_> LilSnoop4, I don't know why it wouldn't be recommended, works great.
[13:49] <aDro> mjr: What? The Raspberry Pi being illegal?
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[13:50] <mjr> aDro, just wondering why you can't
[13:50] <Shift_> It would be illegal to open a "Raspberry Pi" shop, since it would infringe on the trademark.
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[13:50] <aDro> $Green$
[13:50] <mjr> though frankly, doesn't sound like a winning business plan
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[13:50] <aDro> All I really want to see is a Raspberry Pi, inside a Raspberry Pie.
[13:50] <LilSnoop4> i didn't order one cause you guys said i could use that just wanted to make sure if i had to order one to have here by the end of the week to get this up and running
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[13:51] <linuxstb> LilSnoop4: I think I read an article that said that the voltage isn't very stable. But that probably depends on the exact model of iphone wall charger, or even your luck.
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[14:16] <gccster> guys im reading this example http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#GPIO_Driving_Example_.28C.29 for GPIO Output in C it works fine.. but how can i get input from GPIO?
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[14:18] <B0101> hi, can the raspberry pi use a PS/2 to USB converter for keyboard input?
[14:18] <neilr> Yup
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> yes
[14:18] <neilr> I use a convertor for keyboard and mouse, no worries
[14:18] <gccster> guys please anybody for gpio input?
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[14:20] <neilr> gccster: I'd hang around a bit and see if GordonDrogon pops up. He's kind of the local expert on GPIO stuff. Sorry, I can't help you myself.
[14:22] <gccster> neilr: ok man thx
[14:23] <erska> gccster: you might also want to check out wiringPi library, it's made to simplify GPIO usage
[14:23] <erska> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[14:24] <gccster> i would but i want to compile both in pc and raspberry
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[14:29] <Weaselweb> gccster: how would that work? your posted examples accesses directly the registers in the GPIO controller within /dev/mem, you don't have that hardware on your pc
[14:29] <gccster> Weaselweb: i mean i want to compiel for both
[14:29] <gccster> and call funcs like if(isRaspberry) ;; else ;;
[14:30] <gccster> the example i gave compiles for x86
[14:30] <Weaselweb> ah, ic. btw: there is /sys/class/gpio
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[14:31] <gccster> that would compile for both?
[14:31] <B0101> neilr: I just tried out my PS/2 to USB converter on my pi, I only see the lights the keyboard turn on and off and it does not work, any ideas?
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[14:32] <gccster> Weaselweb: ?
[14:33] <Weaselweb> gccster: /sys/class/gpio is a userspace interface for GPIOs via the /sys filesystem. AFAIK the rpi supports it and your GPIO hardware on PC should also do. Its features are somewhat limited, but there is progress to increase that. depends on your needs if that fits to you
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[14:34] <gccster> ok i see
[14:34] <gccster> the bets thing would be an example like the output one in C i posted before
[14:35] <neilr> B0101: errrr, not really! I just plugged mine in and it worked OK. I don't even know how you'd begin to diagnose it to be honest. Does your keyboard show up if you run lsusb ?
[14:35] <Mortvert> where do i mail my inquiry to RS about despatch?
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[14:36] <B0101> neilr: for your information, I cannot even type anything to the pi because all the keyboards I have are PS/2
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[14:38] <gordonDrogon> gccster, hello?
[14:38] <azk> I've been looking around the forums in regards to the analog audio popping sounds between playback and it seems to be related to the hardware. Are there any fixes around that I might not be aware of?
[14:39] <gccster> gordonDrogon: hello sir could please help with this? i need an example like this http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#GPIO_Driving_Example_.28C.29 but for input
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> gccster, it might be much easier to just use a library that already does this for you. e.g. my wiringPi librarly.
[14:39] <steve_rox> whats ppls facination with "wardriveing"? :-P
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[14:40] <gccster> gordonDrogon: i would liekto have common source for pc also
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, gives them something to do?
[14:40] <gccster> thats why i use the bare example
[14:40] <neilr> B0101: right - that makes diagnosis a bit trickier then! Sorry - not much more I can suggest, as I've never had to diagnose any problems with mine. What type of adaptor do you have?
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> gccster, pc running linux or MS?
[14:40] <gccster> gordonDrogon: Linux
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[14:40] <steve_rox> is it not a waste of fuel?
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> gccster, does it have ant gpio?
[14:40] <steve_rox> unless your out scanning for vunrable ap
[14:41] <gccster> gordonDrogon: the exampel i gave you before compiles in pc and i do if(isRaspberry) ;; else printf
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> gccster, you might be better to use conditional complication than run-time checking.
[14:43] <gccster> gordonDrogon: this is true, but i might have critical speed problems later with a lib
[14:43] <gccster> if there is an example for input i would prefer it
[14:43] <Octupus3> hello mates, i want to connect my huawei e173 to rpi
[14:43] <Octupus3> it's a 3D dongole
[14:43] <pronto> :D my raspberry pi's should be here today \o/
[14:44] <Octupus3> 3G*
[14:44] <aDro> Your Raspberry Pi's what?
[14:44] <gccster> gordonDrogon: you think its impossible to be found?
[14:44] <techman2> pronto: how many are you expecting?
[14:44] <gccster> or somebody knows how to do it
[14:44] <mjr> most dongles are 3D ehheh. But seriously, you'll probably want to use a powered hub (or some of the other kludges for running high-powered usb gadgets)
[14:44] <pronto> techman2: two
[14:44] <techman2> cool
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> gccster, the Pi's GPIO is limited to 20MHz access speed. Any library witten in C can trivially beat that.
[14:45] <techman2> I need to order another one I think, only have a rev 1 256MB atm
[14:45] <pronto> Octupus3: if it's anything like the verizon wireless 3/4g usble dongles you're going to need to use wvdial
[14:45] <B0101> neilr: http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=11286 here is how it looks like, sorry for blurred image though!
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> gccster, if you're looking at timing critical stuff on the Pi, then you have the wrong platform.
[14:45] <gccster> gordonDrogon: i see
[14:45] <gccster> anyways for the history.... theres no such example available
[14:46] <gccster> gordonDrogon: ^
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[14:47] <gordonDrogon> gccster, example of what?
[14:48] <gccster> gordonDrogon: theres also an other problem i sync the source with pc and raspberry and its not easy to have #ifdef FLAG because i would then need to edit the files in every sync
[14:49] <gccster> so i would prefer the bare example of input for rasp gpio
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[14:49] <gordonDrogon> gccster, well the bare example is there. Good luck.
[14:49] <B0101> neilr: if its too blurred for you, well, its just converts 1 PS/2 connection to USB
[14:49] <gccster> gordonDrogon: sir its not its just the output
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[14:49] <gccster> theres no input example
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> gccster, so... write it!
[14:50] <neilr> B0101: Yup, having a look now - I guess without a keyboard it's tricky to get at any diagnostic information. Is it plugged straight into the pi, or through a hub?
[14:50] <gccster> that means i would have to study the hardware....
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> gccster, yes. that's what I did.
[14:50] <mjr> B0101, looks like a passive converter, where the device has to match it and know how to talk USB in addition to PS/2 itself.
[14:51] <gccster> gordonDrogon: sir you wrote the lib?
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> gccster, I wrote wiringPi - that's my library.
[14:51] <gccster> gordonDrogon: thx for that
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[14:51] <mjr> B0101, that would not work with an arbitrary keyboard.
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> gccster, go and fetch the source code for it if you like. git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi
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[14:52] <mjr> B0101, active converters are relatively cheap nowadays though
[14:53] <neilr> B0101: I know there's a thread about PS/2 keyboards on the forum - could be worth a check there? I tried a quick search, but the simple search syntax won't take PS/2 as a search term :-/
[14:53] <gccster> gordonDrogon: sir would you have to make big changes in this code http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#GPIO_Driving_Example_.28C.29 example of C output to become an Input example?
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[14:53] <gccster> gordonDrogon: thats the last question and sorry for disturbing you
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> gccster, I really do not care for that code at all. I wrote my own code called wiringPi - thats what I use myself and all I really care about. If you want to use wiringPi then I can help you, but if not then there is little help I can give you other than the point you at the source code for wiringPi.
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> gccster, you will not (really not!) get any more performance by using that code on the wiki.
[14:55] <B0101> mjr, neilr: thanks for your help anyway!
[14:55] <gccster> gordonDrogon: ok sir
[14:55] <gccster> thx
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[14:58] <Octupus3> sofyan: hello!
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[15:00] <Mortvert> I wonder, if i'll get a despatch mail overnight.
[15:00] <Octupus3> could you mates take a moment to greet sofyan, he is new to IRC, we are both Mechatronics Engineering students.
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[15:01] <Octupus3> :)
[15:01] <Mortvert> I mean, i haven't got a mail that says that despatch time extended - though on RS website it says Expected Despatch Time - 2 week(s)
[15:01] <Mortvert> Hi sofyan.
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[15:10] <sofyan> Mortvert: thanks :D
[15:10] <Mortvert> Urgh. I should be barred from looking at shipment part of forums
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[15:11] <Mortvert> People whine at RS a lot. And i've bought it from them. :|
[15:11] <shiftplusone> Mortvert, that can be arranged
[15:11] <Mortvert> God damn. I really wonder if i'll ever get the despatch mail. And the pi on time
[15:11] <skiski> hey peepz!
[15:11] <shiftplusone> Still no word from RS?
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[15:12] <Mortvert> Today is the 7th day, they supposedly send packages overnight.
[15:12] <Mortvert> We'll see how it goes.
[15:13] <shiftplusone> Not a good sign. Have you called to see what's up?
[15:14] <Mortvert> If i don't get a word till tomorrow, i'll be mailing them.
[15:15] <RobCWDudley> hello all, just got my 512mb Pi yesterday. Is an apt-get distro-upgrade on the latest image sufficient to update the firmware or do I need to manaually overwrite files in /boot?
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[15:15] <skiski> is there a way to see if my custom built toolchain really has the hard float enabled?!
[15:15] <shiftplusone> RobCWDudley, it should be fine, but if you want the absolute latest, there's a tool called rpi-update (google it)
[15:17] <Mortvert> shiftplusone - well, according to RS they despatch stuff at night. Maybe i'll wake up to despatch mail? :D
[15:17] <RobCWDudley> shiftplusone: thanks! Do you know where rpi-updater sources files? Tried manul update to latest /boot from Github last night and broke things
[15:17] <shiftplusone> RobCWDudley, from a github mirror of the official files.
[15:18] <shiftplusone> Mortvert, I ordered from element14 and got the dispatch email on the same day as the pi, so yeah, could be. Don't get your hopes up though.
[15:18] <RobCWDudley> shiftplusone: ah it's a shel script - never mind I'll just read it :)
[15:18] <Mortvert> shiftplusone - that's what i get for ordering from RS. Thought i really don't want to buy from a local retailer that costs way more than RS. :|
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[15:25] <Viper-7> Mortvert: i ordered from RS, only got it 3 days ago, took nearly a month.. arrived only 3 days after calling them and hassling them out
[15:25] <Viper-7> funny how that works :P
[15:25] <Mortvert> Viper-7 - if i didn't live in poland :P
[15:25] <Viper-7> australia cant be that much better :P
[15:26] <shiftplusone> It is, we had a better stock of rpis than usa, I think.
[15:27] <Mortvert> d:
[15:27] <Mortvert> D:
[15:27] <Mortvert> I really don't want to wait a month.
[15:27] <Mortvert> I'll bother them tomorrow, if i don't get despatch mail
[15:27] <Mortvert> Viper-7 - is there phone # somewhere
[15:27] <Mortvert> ?
[15:27] <shiftplusone> storm into their office
[15:27] <Mortvert> too far away
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[15:29] <Mortvert> Viper-7?
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[15:33] <factor> Whatis the device pi runds as , mmcblk
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[15:34] <factor> the rasp config program was suppose to resize the sd card but looks like it did not
[15:34] <factor> does it do it via another partition.
[15:34] <factor> i.e. two partitions not just one
[15:34] <shiftplusone> no
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[15:35] <shiftplusone> it deletes the partition and re-creates it with the full size
[15:35] <shiftplusone> then when you reboot, it resizes the fs to fit the partition
[15:35] <shiftplusone> note that there are always two partitions (at least), since the boot partition is fat32.
[15:35] <factor> I have a 16G SD but is only showing 2 as initial image was.
[15:35] <shiftplusone> have you restarted?
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[15:37] <pronto> factor: open it in gparted, and resize
[15:37] <pronto> the image is 2G, you need to resize the partition
[15:37] <pronto> at least this is what i had to do last weekend when playing around with a friends RPI
[15:37] <shiftplusone> pronto, read what he said, he ran the resize script which comes with raspbian. He knows that he needs to resize.
[15:38] <pronto> ah
[15:38] <factor> ok . just thought the raspian config tool would do that.
[15:38] <shiftplusone> it does
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[15:38] <shiftplusone> I prefer to do it with gparted right after dding the image though. But the raspbian script works well too.
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[15:39] <factor> trying it again, rebooting
[15:39] <factor> on the rasp config
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[15:39] <pronto> resizing partitions while booted from said parition just sounds terrofying
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[15:40] <factor> just getting started so not a biggie if lost.
[15:40] <factor> says its doing a resize now
[15:40] <shiftplusone> pronto, ext supports online resizing.
[15:41] <factor> did not do that last time I did it
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[15:41] <pronto> shiftplusone: yeah, but still sounds like a scary thing
[15:42] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I wouldn't do it with a partition containing important files without a backup.
[15:44] <LilSnoop4> would this be good to power the raspberry pi: http://www.amazon.com/PowerGen-Dual-Port-Travel-Charger/dp/B0073FE1F0/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
[15:44] <factor> raspberry pi works great with my mini projector
[15:44] <Zelest> can the raspberry play full HD movie?
[15:44] <jacekowski> Zelest: yes
[15:44] <Zelest> 1080p that is
[15:44] <Zelest> oh
[15:44] <jacekowski> Zelest: if it's one of the hardware accelerated codecs
[15:44] <knoppies> Zelest, YES but it helps if they are h264 encoded.
[15:44] <jacekowski> Zelest: x264, mpeg2 or vc1
[15:44] <Zelest> ah
[15:45] <shiftplusone> Zelest, depends on how it's encoded
[15:45] <jacekowski> x264 is the majority of all the HD movies
[15:45] <jacekowski> so it will decode pretty much every movie you throw at it
[15:46] <shiftplusone> Also, depends on what media player you use. Don't expect great results with vlc, mplayer and anything else that wasn't written for the pi or with the pi in mind.
[15:46] <Zelest> what player is recommended then?
[15:46] <shiftplusone> omxplayer
[15:46] <factor> I have a single plugin in charger. , but will get another usb port for non-bus powered usb ports. .
[15:46] <Zelest> ah
[15:46] <jacekowski> Zelest: xbmc
[15:47] <angelos> xbmc is not a player though, it uses omxplayer
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[15:52] <Zelest> ah
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[15:53] <Zelest> i thought the bottleneck was reading it from a slow "disk" ..
[15:53] <Zelest> but doing some calculations on one of the movies i got on my laptop, it's 3.55MB/s
[15:53] <Zelest> no problems at all :D
[15:53] <Zelest> thought there was a lot more I/O for movies
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> I guess it might depends on the codec and quality - higher quality, mode bit/sec needed...
[15:54] <Zelest> mhm
[15:54] <timmmaaaayyy> i'm running an irc bouncer (among a few other things) on my pi, and i thought i had the scrollback set to only remember 50 messages. today i noticed that it's remembering hundreds for all of my channels. is there a way to tell how much memory a process is using?
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[15:56] <TomWij> timmmaaaayyy: top, htop, ...
[15:56] <shiftplusone> 'free'
[15:57] <shiftplusone> I like htop though
[15:57] <TomWij> Since when does free list process memory?
[15:57] <shiftplusone> sorry, misread, heh
[15:57] <shiftplusone> yeah, I thought he just wanted to see the free memory.
[15:57] <TomWij> Though would be handy if it gave a really detailed overview.
[15:58] <TomWij> Like how much of each process is in swap, ...
[15:58] <dape8708> timmmaaaayyy, ps ax -o rss,command | grep PROCESS
[15:58] <timmmaaaayyy> thanks everyone!
[15:58] <Weaselweb> how much does a process actually use if e.g. htop display 100M, but most of then is from shared objects which are also used by other processes?
[15:59] <TomWij> Weaselweb: Don't look at shared, look at private.
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[16:00] <TomWij> At least I'd assume logs to end up in private, as there's most likely no reason to share them.
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[16:03] <Weaselweb> i think it's not that easy. I currently have a automount process which has 393MB VIRT and 1164kB RES. how much memory does is use?
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[16:07] <TomWij> RES
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[16:10] <steve_rox> anything interesting going on?
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[16:12] <SpeedEvil> I'm getting a delivery!
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> that's sort of interesting.
[16:12] <steve_rox> potentially
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[16:12] <SpeedEvil> perhaps not strictly on topic, as it's from tesco.
[16:12] <steve_rox> unless its from iraq/iran
[16:12] <steve_rox> tesco/iran/iraq whats the difference :-P
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> less horsemeat in Iraq.
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> having said that,
[16:13] <steve_rox> thats possible
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[16:13] <SpeedEvil> I'd be quite happy to purchase 100kg of the affected burgers.
[16:14] <steve_rox> at a hightly reduced price
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[16:14] <steve_rox> seems like a good way to eat during these times of poverty
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> I'm trying to keep my food budget down to 60 quid or so a month
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> I bet if teco has re-labelled them and put them on-sale for half price they'd have been sold in a jiffy...
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, 60 ? for one person?
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> yes
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> me, specifically
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> that's achievable.
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> if you're a good cook.
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> 30 is doable
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> boring, but doable
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[16:15] <steve_rox> hehe
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> cook, chill/freeze bigger meals into smaller portions.
[16:16] <neilr> Probably OK if you like potatoes
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> at that, you're eating a lot of flour
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> if there is a local asian supermarket it's a good place to get bulk rice.
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> potatoes are expensive per calorie
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> flour is cheaper
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> belly pork is the cheapest meat other than offal (but I like good offal, me!)
[16:17] <SpeedEvil> you can get all your daily calories for about 20p of white flour
[16:17] <neilr> I just remember as a kid when we were skint having endless baked potatoes.
[16:17] <steve_rox> i guess its like world war 2 when they had to rassion foodz etc
[16:17] <steve_rox> in other news i just read that intel is going to stop makeing pc desktop motherboards
[16:18] * Joeboy does bulk wholefood order and splits it with friends
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> there's plenty of competition in that market...
[16:18] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: lots of it from arm!
[16:18] <Joeboy> assuming you mean the mobo market, not the wholefool market
[16:18] <steve_rox> pc feels like a dieing breed lately
[16:18] <steve_rox> ms not helping one bit
[16:19] <Davespice> interesting topic folks :) lol
[16:19] <steve_rox> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/01/23/040239/intel-leaving-desktop-motherboard-business?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed
[16:20] <neilr> I don't understand why there aren't a lot of routers/switches based on ARM processors, given that they stay powered up for years, guzzling power.
[16:20] <steve_rox> what are they based on then
[16:21] <jelly1> cause routers and switches use mips
[16:21] <steve_rox> oh
[16:21] <jelly1> good routers don't use arm anyway
[16:22] <neilr> Depends on the vendor really. Cisco is all proprietory. JunOS is based on BSD.
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[16:22] <jelly1> sure
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[16:24] <neilr> I've got an SRX210 on my desk at the mo. Let me open it up, and see if there's anything on the board. I'm curious now :)
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[16:27] <neilr> mmm, not much visible really other than the fan and a load of heatsinks
[16:28] <arcanescu> is there a good enough tutorial/article somewhere on autologin as root on the pi, ive tried a number of things including adding 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f pi tty1 </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1 to etc/inittab but nothing works
[16:29] <arcanescu> ideally i have no idea why this still hasnt been incorporated in the raspi-config
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[16:30] <Triffid_Hunter> arcanescu: don't think init understands shell redirects
[16:30] <arcanescu> Triffid_Hunter: any recommendations?
[16:30] <Triffid_Hunter> arcanescu: you'll want to have a play with the getty lines
[16:31] <Triffid_Hunter> even if init did do the redirects, having both a getty and login trying to talk to the same terminal isn't likely to work well
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[16:31] <arcanescu> Triffid_Hunter: http://elinux.org/RPi_raspi-config look at "first boot activity" section
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[16:32] <arcanescu> it does mention something, but either it is now obselete or i cant insert a line properly in a document
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[16:33] <Triffid_Hunter> arcanescu: pastebin your current inittab
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> probably the lack of support for ARM processors in the high-speed IO department too.
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[16:34] <arcanescu> Triffid_Hunter: http://pastebin.com/wBWRPRDN
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[16:36] <Triffid_Hunter> arcanescu: what does adding '-a root' to a getty do?
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[16:36] <arcanescu> Triffid_Hunter: instead of -f root ?
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[16:38] <Triffid_Hunter> arcanescu: no as in 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -a root 38400 tty1
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[16:39] <Triffid_Hunter> arcanescu: just fired up my rpi, getty --help says -a, --autologin <user> login the specified user automatically
[16:39] <arcanescu> Triffid_Hunter: let me test that getty line
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[16:40] <arcanescu> Triffid_Hunter:1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -a root 38400 tty1 > didnt do anything
[16:40] <arcanescu> i still got a login prompt
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[16:42] <Triffid_Hunter> arcanescu: works for me, did you comment the other line with tty1?
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[16:43] <Triffid_Hunter> I got one terminal auto-logged as pi and another auto-logged as root
[16:43] <arcanescu> Triffid_Hunter: yes i did, let me paste my inittab, also im doing this through the serial port
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[16:43] <gordonDrogon> kill -1 1 ?
[16:43] <Triffid_Hunter> arcanescu: serial port? wouldn't that be ttyS0 rather than tty1?
[16:44] <Triffid_Hunter> arcanescu: or ttyAMA0?
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[16:44] <arcanescu> Triffid_Hunter: hmmmmm
[16:44] <arcanescu> http://pastebin.com/F5X1kpZ1
[16:44] <Triffid_Hunter> arcanescu: #Spawn a getty on Raspberry Pi serial line -> T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyAMA0 115200 vt100
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[16:45] <Triffid_Hunter> arcanescu: ttyn are the text consoles on the local graphics output
[16:46] <arcanescu> 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -a root 38400 tty1 so i change this to 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -a root 38400 ttyAMA0 ?
[16:46] <Triffid_Hunter> arcanescu: no, alter the existing AMA0 line
[16:47] <Triffid_Hunter> otherwise you'll have two things arguing over the port, which won't work
[16:47] <arcanescu> T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyAMA0 115200 vt100 -> to to
[16:47] <Triffid_Hunter> arcanescu: getty -a root -L ...
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> /dev/ttyS? are standard PC serial ports. Pi is /dev/ttyAMA0
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[16:49] <arcanescu> Triffid_Hunter: well that worked, thank you...
[16:50] <mailto_devnull> hey everybody, quick question... I'm trying to copy files from my pi to another computer using WinSCP, but the speed seems to cap out at ~1MB/s. Normally, I should be able to get 10x that... is this an issue with dropbear?
[16:50] * jelly1 should hack in usb -> serial for his pi
[16:50] <mailto_devnull> wondering if I should uninstall dropbear and install openssh-server instead
[16:50] <dape8708> try with another port mailto_devnull
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[16:50] * jelly1 wonders if dealextreme has something like usb to serial for the pi
[16:50] <chubzee> mailto_devnull, are the files being copied on the sd card or a usb device?
[16:51] <dape8708> jelly1, just get a regular ca-42 adapter
[16:51] <Triffid_Hunter> jelly1: standard usb-serial modules work fine..
[16:51] <jelly1> dape8708: how does that work for the Pi :o
[16:51] <jelly1> Triffid_Hunter: really
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[16:51] <mailto_devnull> chubzee, interesting, didn't think of that. Normally, via HDD (SATA), now accessing same HDD via usb hub. Problem solved. argh.
[16:51] <rstrt> Holy hell this thing is fly.
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[16:51] <dape8708> jelly1, you cut the phone end cable and identify the gnd, rx and tx then solder them to the gpios marked rx tx gnd
[16:52] <rstrt> Just got mine booted for the first time into Arch and installed irssi.
[16:52] <mailto_devnull> dape8708, chubzee, thanks for your help :)
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> mailto_devnull, ssh - just don't use it. use plain olf FTP.
[16:52] <dape8708> rstrt, yep, arch linux runs fast and smooth
[16:52] <chubzee> mailto_devnull, np, i max out at 1.3mb/sec so you might still have room for improvement :)
[16:52] <jelly1> dape8708: leet
[16:52] <mailto_devnull> gordonDrogon, I suppose that would work. Just intra-network file transfer is all.
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[16:52] <jelly1> dape8708: that cable converts the signal too i suppose
[16:53] <dape8708> jelly1, yeah, its 3,3v iirc, just hope you get a real ca-42 with a usable pl2303 driver for linux and not a cheap fake clone
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> mailto_devnull, ssh is slow on the pi )-:
[16:53] <mailto_devnull> gordonDrogon, I see... now I want to benchmark, heh
[16:53] <mailto_devnull> chubzee, I suppose through usb 2.0(?), then through a cat5 cable to a switch to a router, and THEN to the other computer... ~1MB/s is not bad.
[16:53] <jelly1> dape8708: https://www.modmypi.com/shop/raspberry-pi-accessories/cables/USB-to-TTL-Serial-Cable-Debug-Console-Cable-for-Raspberry-Pi
[16:53] <dape8708> jelly1, if you want to know more just lurk on the openwrt wiki for serial adapters, lots of cool info
[16:54] <Triffid_Hunter> I'd get ftdi over pl2302
[16:54] <dape8708> jelly1, thanks, thats a neat thing you found
[16:54] <jelly1> dape8708: wut
[16:54] <jelly1> oh openwrt <3
[16:54] <dape8708> Triffid_Hunter, check the driver module size of ftdi over pl2303 :)
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[16:54] <jelly1> didnt the pound drop :p
[16:55] <jelly1> 7,50 euro hmm
[16:55] <jelly1> and i could just use ethernet
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[16:55] <jelly1> but it's cooler over serial :P
[16:55] <LilSnoop4> can you buy a power supply for the raspberry board at radio shack or a best buy?
[16:56] <dape8708> jelly1, yeah, that adapter from the modmypi site is the best thing for pi
[16:56] <Triffid_Hunter> dape8708: 95k vs 21k, what's your point? ftdi has way more features and is far more robust in my experience
[16:56] <dape8708> Triffid_Hunter, more features in a usb-to-serial driver..?
[16:56] <Triffid_Hunter> dape8708: in the chip itself
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[16:56] <dape8708> alright,i use it just for console stuff, i have other things to warm my food :P
[16:58] * jelly1 could use a case too
[16:58] <jelly1> 6 pound too hmm
[16:58] <dape8708> its not that expensive for such a beautiful little toy after all
[16:58] <jelly1> and i wont break it if i take it with me
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[17:04] <factor> I am running a 500mA wireless G device and a 98mA keyboard mouse combo. Everything seems fine. Although the wireless was not initiated until loading X was done
[17:05] <factor> have to pull the mouse keyboard combo out and put it back in after X loads to get it to work
[17:06] <dape8708> 500ma wireless device..?
[17:06] <factor> trendnet wireless G
[17:06] <factor> andits working
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[17:16] <LilSnoop4> what cable is needed for the raspberry usb to micro?
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[17:19] <factor> microUSB I think it is called
[17:20] <LilSnoop4> thx
[17:21] <factor> my tablet uses miniUSB but my mp3 player and rasp pi use miniUSB
[17:21] <factor> sorry micro
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[17:21] <factor> the ultra thin one , mini is a bit thicker
[17:23] <arcanescu> im trying to echo -e "A:SRF3000,0\r" > /dev/ttyUSB1 on a autoscript at .bashrc do i need to add some escape characters in there?
[17:24] <steve_rox> they seem to reinvent a new usb form factor every 5 mins
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[17:25] <gordonDrogon> arcanescu, you're better off writing a program to do it - that way you can set the baud rate, etc.
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[17:25] <arcanescu> gordonDrogon: dont need to set the baudrate ive actually done that well using stty in the script
[17:25] <arcanescu> its just this one line
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[17:28] <gordonDrogon> ok
[17:30] <arcanescu> not sure why its causing that
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[17:35] <factor> installing open office
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[17:36] <factor> need the Impress to do presentations.
[17:36] <factor> as i am hooked to the projector
[17:37] <Flemzard> Hi
[17:38] <Flemzard> Sorry to bother but I've questions, for my last year school project I'm want a do a nice UI (OpenElec style) but for "retrogaming", like the "ugly" one of EmulationStation. And I want to be able to play games with smartphone as the gamepad too.
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[17:38] <Flemzard> But now I'm a bit confuse about that, should I fork RetroArch and add modifications to handle smartphone as gamepad, or recode a new one using libretro ?
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[17:41] <factor> libre office works fine , excellent
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[17:45] <mark_vh> Flemzard: check out http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3075
[17:45] <factor> What is the program to change resolution
[17:45] <mark_vh> don't know about best way to code such a thing, but this might be nice to look at
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[17:47] <Flemzard> I already saw that video if I remember
[17:47] <Flemzard> But I want more recent console you see, like gameboy, psx, etc ...
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[17:48] <Flemzard> but yes that's the idea :)
[17:48] <Flemzard> do a UI simple as that
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[17:50] <factor> How can I change resolution of the RCA out
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[17:53] <DarkKnightCZ> hi, anyone has experience with wifi dongle with zydas zd1211 chipset? I have tplink WN322G and if i install correct drivers, it doesnt scan (no scan results), which is not correct
[17:53] <Kane> o/
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[17:57] <timmmaaaayyy> for mysql, do you use service mysql start or service mysqld start?
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[17:58] <Torikun> what distro
[17:58] <timmmaaaayyy> raraspbian
[17:58] <timmmaaaayyy> lol. raspbian
[17:58] <Torikun> redhat uses seervice
[17:58] <Torikun> /etc/init.d/mysqld start
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[17:58] <Torikun> you can start it that way
[17:59] <Torikun> wow I forgot how debian manages their services!
[17:59] <timmmaaaayyy> basically i'm trying to see if mysql server is installed. i only need my pi to be a mysql client, but webmin says that i have mysql (assuming it means server) installed
[17:59] <timmmaaaayyy> and i have mysql in /etc/init.d/
[17:59] <nid0> assuming you installed mysql via apt itll be installed as mysql
[17:59] <DarkKnightCZ> debian has service too... try service mysql status
[17:59] <Torikun> so start it like I said
[17:59] <nid0> so service mysql status
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[18:00] <nid0> will give its status
[18:00] <timmmaaaayyy> it returns nothing
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[18:00] <Torikun> DarkKnightCZ: are they moving to systemd?
[18:00] <timmmaaaayyy> not even a "not running" like others would
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[18:00] <shiftplusone> Torikun, still =p
[18:00] <shiftplusone> ?
[18:00] <timmmaaaayyy> i'm assuming that means it's not installed becuase bind9 does the same after i uninstalled it
[18:00] <Torikun> shiftplusone: I realized I forgota module step lol
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[18:01] <Torikun> i made a good desktop setup in virtualbox last night
[18:01] <nid0> timmmaaaayyy: mysql -V
[18:01] <DarkKnightCZ> Torikun: who? debian? a long time ago
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[18:01] <shiftplusone> Ah, that's the sort of thing you'd want if you want a working distro =D
[18:01] <Torikun> and they still use service?
[18:01] <Torikun> the NIC modules did not work lol
[18:01] <timmmaaaayyy> nid0: mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.5.28, for debian-linux-gnu (armv7l) using readline 6.2
[18:02] <Torikun> anyone interestign in me making a gentoo stage 4 for the pi?
[18:02] <Torikun> it's almost done
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[18:02] <shiftplusone> I never understood what these 'stages' are. =/
[18:02] <Torikun> basically extract and reboot
[18:02] <Torikun> stage 3 means you need to compile boot loader and kernel
[18:02] <Torikun> and reboot
[18:03] <shiftplusone> and 2 and 1?
[18:03] <Torikun> that is where you compile like gcc and stuff
[18:03] <Torikun> never did it
[18:03] <shiftplusone> fair enough, thanks
[18:03] <Torikun> np
[18:04] <pronto> http://mainframed767.tumblr.com/post/41201454530/a-mainframe-on-your-raspberry-pi neat,
[18:05] <timmmaaaayyy> Package 'mysql-server' is not installed, so not removed???..so i assume i'm good. that output earlier was the version of mysql-client?
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[18:05] <aDro> next project?
[18:05] <aDro> What needs to be set up?
[18:05] <alexj> did anyone try firefoxon on rpi?
[18:05] <shiftplusone> ...ArchBSD D=
[18:05] <timmmaaaayyy> ^output from sudo apt-get automremove mysql-server
[18:05] <shiftplusone> interesting
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[18:05] <shiftplusone> Looking forward to giving this a go http://archbsd.net/
[18:05] <DarkKnightCZ> so noone has an idea, why are wlan scanning results empty?
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[18:07] <sofyan> hello guys
[18:07] <DarkKnightCZ> debian -> install zd1211-firmware, sudo iwlist scan -> results | raspbian -> install zd121-firmware, sudo iwlist scan -> no results
[18:07] <sofyan> can i ask u something?
[18:08] <shiftplusone> sofyan, as long as it's not asking to ask.
[18:08] <DarkKnightCZ> what the hell... apt-get remove openssl, apt-get install openssl and its scanning
[18:08] <shiftplusone> DarkKnightCZ, =/
[18:09] <shiftplusone> That's an odd one
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[18:09] <sofyan> shiftplusone: okay am using battery pack to power my raspberry pi ,,, can i use a 3g dongle in this case ?
[18:10] <factor> nice
[18:10] <shiftplusone> sofyan, without a powered hub, probably not.
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[18:10] <yaMatt> if it gives enough current I don't see why not
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[18:10] <LilSnoop4> can u use a usb on your tv to power your raspberry pi?
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[18:10] <shiftplusone> yaMatt, because it won't. There's a current limit on the pi's input.
[18:10] <shiftplusone> LilSnoop4, depends on the tv, but usually yes.
[18:11] <arcanescu> raspi-config puts the settings for overclocking in a file which file exactly? ... is it true that silicons on all the PI's are not capable of 1Ghz?
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[18:11] <shiftplusone> arcanescu, /boot/config.txt
[18:11] <mjr> LilSnoop4, depends... possibly, if it is willing to supply enough current, but it's not required to do so by the usb standard, so it's not guaranteed
[18:11] <shiftplusone> my pi runs at 1ghz just fine.
[18:11] <aDro> Nice
[18:11] <yaMatt> shiftplusone, new to me, the guys I spoke to said they put 6A through the Pi without much problem
[18:11] <aDro> Temp?
[18:12] <arcanescu> shiftplusone: thats what i meant... some Pi's can some cant?
[18:12] <sofyan> shiftplusone: aha but i saw ppl doing that in some sites o.o
[18:12] <shiftplusone> yaMatt, the power itself isn't the problem. The 3g dongles draw too much current and trip the polyfuse (usually)
[18:12] <shiftplusone> arcanescu, I think most will run at 1ghz just fine, but there's no guarantee. That's the same with all cpus, they will overclock differently.
[18:12] <mjr> sofyan, they probably bypassed the input fuse some way or another. One would be to use the GPIO 5V/GND pins for power input instead of the (officially supported) microusb
[18:13] <shiftplusone> sofyan, I saw someone mod a 3g dongle, hang on, i'll find the link.
[18:13] <shiftplusone> and yes, you can short out the polyfuse.
[18:13] <chithead> there is no fuse on the usb a sockets, so you can feed as much power as you wish back through these ports
[18:13] <factor> raspberry pi doc says its a gpu , does that mean it can do openGL
[18:13] <mjr> or you can hack extra power wires to the dongle, or whatever
[18:13] <shiftplusone> factor, not opengl, but opengl es, yes.
[18:14] <factor> very nice
[18:14] <factor> thatis good enough
[18:14] <mjr> factor, OpenGL ES, which is the embedded systems subset of OGL
[18:14] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't trust a hub that feeds back power though
[18:14] <factor> yes
[18:14] <chithead> the battery pack can be connected that way
[18:14] <shiftplusone> You can hook up power to the dongle directly as well. http://hackaday.com/2012/11/27/injecting-power-into-a-wifi-dongle-for-the-raspberry-pi/
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[18:15] <shiftplusone> or you can run wires from the input to the usb 5v/gnd lines, which is probably the best solution.
[18:15] <chithead> or bridge the input fuse...
[18:15] <shiftplusone> chithead, ah, good point, sorry. Or use gpio
[18:15] <shiftplusone> actually... gpio!
[18:15] <shiftplusone> if you're using a battery, power it though gpio and you'll be fine.
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[18:16] <shiftplusone> 'course then you're responsible for supplying the right voltage and not frying your pi.
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[18:17] <DarkKnightCZ> by the way, how to make video/music player out of raspberry? run some player through X, use wayland, or are there any special packages?
[18:17] <shiftplusone> either omxplayer or an xbmc distro
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[18:18] <shiftplusone> (xbian, openelec and raspbmc are the main xbmc distros)
[18:19] <catcher> Hey guys, I'm looking to connect 4 basic switches to the gpio pins, and fire state change events (interrupt or polling, either is fine). Do I need a board like a gertboard, or can I wire it directly?
[18:19] <catcher> Example switch: http://www.amazon.com/Bally-Williams-Rollover-Microswitch-5647-12693-25/dp/B009082CZ4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358961416&sr=8-1&keywords=rollover+microswitch
[18:19] <shiftplusone> if you know what you're doing, you can do it directly
[18:19] <catcher> sorry, should have minified that url
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> catcher, directly for simple mechanical switches is fine.
[18:20] <shiftplusone> and if you don't, you can learn... so yeah, you can do it.
[18:20] <DarkKnightCZ> shiftplusone: xbmc is too big for this, so omxplayer is the most lighweight?
[18:20] <catcher> I'm a software guy, very new to this stuff. Do I need to get power to the switch?
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> catcher, enable the internal pull-up and connect the switches from gpio pin to ground and off you go.
[18:20] <shiftplusone> DarkKnightCZ, omxplayer is just the xbmc backend for raspberry pi hacked out into a standalone player, so yeah, it would be perfect if you want something minimal.
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> catcher, no power if it's a simple switch.
[18:20] <DarkKnightCZ> shiftplusone: nice, thanks
[18:21] <catcher> gordonDrogon, can I trouble you to elaborate on enabling the internal pull-up?
[18:21] <catcher> I'm assuming it's resistor in the GPIO section?
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> catcher, each pin has an internal resistor to bias the pin to either +3.3v or 0v. without one the pin will float about with nothing connected and will randonly read 1 or 0.
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> catcher, you can use external ones - and most circuits you'll find for the pi do use external ones, but they're a waste IMO.
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> catcher, the only real 'danger' you have is if you accidentally re-program the pin as an output, then short it to ground via the switch - some people use a series resistor to protect against that (I don't)
[18:23] <sofyan> shiftplusone: can i power my 3g dongole with the 5v and gnd pins in the gpio? o.o
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[18:23] <gordonDrogon> (actually, I did on my ladder board though, just to make it idiot proof)
[18:23] <shiftplusone> sofyan, yes, because you're bypassing the polyfuse if you do that.
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[18:24] <gordonDrogon> catcher, what language do you program in?
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[18:24] <catcher> gordonDrogon, great info, thank you. I see these switches have 3 leads..
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> catcher, one will be normally open, the other normally closed + a common.
[18:25] <catcher> gordonDrogon, I'm competent in the langs Pi likes - C, bash, python
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[18:25] <shiftplusone> sofyan, well actually I am not guaranteeing it will work. I am not even saying that doing it 'normally' won't work. I am just saying what I think is likely to happen, so... that's my disclaimer.
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> catcher, lots of C stuff here: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[18:25] <factor> Does Rasp have a skype arm version
[18:25] <shiftplusone> not afaik
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[18:25] <factor> ok
[18:25] <catcher> gordonDrogon, where can I learn what open/closed/common means?
[18:25] <mjr> sofyan, and note that the idea is to power the Pi itself through those pins, along with its USB ports. Not to draw power from the GPIO pins separately to the dongle.
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> catcher, Eh? Open means open - not connected, open... closed means closed .. connected, joined together ...
[18:26] <shiftplusone> mjr, sofyan yeah, sorry if I am being vague.
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[18:27] <gordonDrogon> catcher, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normally_open#Contact_terminology
[18:27] <catcher> gordonDrogon, ah, kk. I'm just trying to visualize how 3 leads connect to 1 pin.
[18:27] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, don't you have a good tutorial on switched on your site?
[18:28] <shiftplusone> If not, there are lots of arduino centered tutorials for which the hardware part will be applicable. (Keep in mind the voltages though)
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> simple intro: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
[18:29] <pksato> I see a lot of people want to use the GPIOs, but lack basic knowledge of electronics.
[18:29] <Torikun> omg emerge is so slow!
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[18:30] <shiftplusone> heh
[18:30] <catcher> pksato, indeed.
[18:31] <pksato> if I remember, the magpi have some lessons about eletronics http://www.themagpi.com/
[18:32] <catcher> gordonDrogon, shiftplusone, thanks for the info. Lets me know the idea will work, and I can go ahead and order the Pi.
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[18:32] <pksato> And, electronics needs to use GPIO are very simple, most complex is the Ohms Law.
[18:33] <shiftplusone> pksato, for people who aren't into electronics, electricity is not very intuitive.
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[18:33] <pksato> Yes.
[18:34] <shiftplusone> But I think it's mostly a communication problem, since we assume too much knowledge sometimes.
[18:34] <shiftplusone> and scare people off
[18:34] <shiftplusone> Would be good to take the arduino tutorials and translate them over to pi
[18:35] <shiftplusone> or sparkfun
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[18:35] <gordonDrogon> I fancy writing a book, but there are already several out there.
[18:35] <aDro> How can I have passcodeless ssh access to my pi?
[18:35] <aDro> can I set a whitelist?
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> aDro, generate a key.
[18:35] <shiftplusone> aDro, looks up ssh keys
[18:35] <aDro> k
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[18:36] <gordonDrogon> on the end you're ssh-ing in from, run the command ssh-keygen -t rsa
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[18:36] <gordonDrogon> (assuming it's *nix of-course)
[18:36] <booyaa> please stick a passphrase on your secret keys
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[18:36] <booyaa> ssh-agent/ssh-add should make lofe easier
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[18:38] <booyaa> only time ive not got a passphrase is for a backup and the shell pn the pter end is locked down
[18:39] <chubzee> hi all, im trying to get tvheadend to run every time i boot up my rpi with raspbian, tvheadend is installed in /usr/local/bin/tvheadend and i've tried adding a line to my crontab, "@reboot /usr/local/bin/tvheadend -f" but it doesn't work. i've been pointed at /etc/init.d/ but i have no idea whatsoever where to begin with those scripts, my few attempts have ended up in nothing happening. any advice?
[18:39] <sofyan> shiftplusone: thanks alot thats so helping
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[18:40] <shiftplusone> sofyan, np, good luck.
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[18:42] * Torikun watches gentoo compile on the pi on 50inch tv
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[18:43] <shiftplusone> Torikun, ..... you might want to go get some coffee.
[18:44] <Torikun> lol
[18:44] <Torikun> so slow
[18:44] <shiftplusone> Like a few gallons.
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[18:44] <Torikun> gentoo was not that bad on a normal pc
[18:44] <Torikun> but horrible on pi
[18:44] <chithead> tip: do not compile on the sd card, that is especially slow
[18:44] <catcher> Anyone using ubuntu on the pi?
[18:44] <Torikun> how can I compile then
[18:44] <chithead> use an external usb hdd
[18:44] <Torikun> hmmm
[18:45] <chithead> ubuntu does not support armv6
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[18:50] <Torikun> chithead: I am using a usb flash drive for root
[18:52] <jelly1> Torikun: ccache
[18:52] <Torikun> k
[18:52] <chithead> ccache will cost you extra ram
[18:53] <Torikun> oh
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[18:53] <chithead> unless you recompile stuff frequently it will rather hurt than help
[18:53] <TomWij> Torikun: distcc
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[18:54] <Mortvert> O_o
[18:54] <Mortvert> Just got a phone call with that had a short tone and a "Goodbye"
[18:55] <Mortvert> From god-knows-where
[18:55] <Mortvert> I'm in poland so i assume it was RS
[18:55] <TomWij> Huh... You picked up, then heard a tone, then Goodbype, then they hang up?
[18:55] <TomWij> s/p//
[18:55] <Mortvert> Yep.
[18:56] <TomWij> Sounds creepy!
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[18:57] <Mortvert> I assume it was RS because noone else would use english-speaking thingmabob
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[19:01] <sofyan> shiftplusone: i have managed to buy powered usb hub !
[19:01] <sofyan> is there any usb hub that is powered from battery pack?
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[19:08] <shiftplusone> sofyan, you should be able to run it from the same battery by modifying the power cord (throwing out the power supply and attaching the wires directly. Make sure your battery can handle a load that high though.
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[19:14] <catcher> Have people gotten wireless networking going?
[19:15] <aDro> yes
[19:15] <jelly1> sure
[19:15] <aDro> http://www.elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters
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[19:18] <S0-2> I haven't had any updates on my Arch install for 4 or 5 days.
[19:18] <S0-2> Is it just me?
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[19:20] <booyaa> catcher: provided youve got a compat wifi dev its a cinch even wpa networks
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[19:22] <catcher> awesome.
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[19:22] <catcher> If you have a sufficiently-powered USB hub, is there a limit to the number of devices you can plug in via USB?
[19:23] <shiftplusone> I don't know what the real limit is, but the current driver can get quite iffy if you try to do too much.
[19:25] <sofyan> shiftplusone: i have idea ...am gonna hack a regular usb hub and cut the usb wire and connect the 5v and ground wires to the battery pack and insert the usb micro in the raspberry pi to power it
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[19:25] <shiftplusone> sofyan, that will work
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[19:26] <sofyan> shiftplusone: and connect the data in and out from the usb hub wires to the usb port of raspberry pi
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[19:26] <sofyan> shiftplusone: then connect anything i want to power in the usb hub o.o
[19:26] <shiftplusone> Yup, I think you also need ground along with the D+/D-
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[19:27] <shiftplusone> but you can just use power the hub from the battery, power the pi from the hub and plug the hub into the pi.
[19:27] <shiftplusone> The tricky bit is the battery, I hope you know what you're doing there.
[19:28] <sofyan> shiftplusone: focus with me :D
[19:29] <sofyan> shiftplusone: am not gonna use powered usb hub
[19:29] <shiftplusone> ah right, 'regular hub'
[19:29] <sofyan> shiftplusone: am gonna use a regular hub
[19:29] <sofyan> and cut its wire then i will get 4 wires right?
[19:29] <sofyan> gnd vcc and D+/D-
[19:29] <shiftplusone> I am not sure, I haven't considered this method before.
[19:30] <shiftplusone> Getting too creative for me there
[19:30] <sofyan> so i connect the gnd and vcc to battery pack two wires
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[19:31] <sofyan> then connect these to the micro usb port in raspberry pi
[19:31] <sofyan> after that i connect D+/D- of the usb hub to the regular usb port in the raspberry pi
[19:32] <shiftplusone> No comment. I don't want to say whether it will or won't work without having thought about it.... and I don't want to think about it =D
[19:32] <sofyan> lol
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[19:34] <sofyan> shiftplusone: thanks mate i'll try it and tell you what i get :P
[19:34] <shiftplusone> thanks
[19:34] <mjr> sofyan, if you're gonna kludge around like that, you might as well backfeed the Pi's 5V from its USB host ports as well. (That should work likewise with the GPIO kludge, though yes, unsupported officially.)
[19:34] <mjr> but YMMV
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[19:37] <sofyan> mjr: i didnt understand clearly what u said ... but do u think it will work or not? o.o
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[19:39] <Torikun> Catch 22 on gentoo on the PI: install distcc for fast compile. However, you need 152 packages to get distcc installed....
[19:39] <shiftplusone> lol
[19:40] <shiftplusone> Going to come to your senses and switch to arch?
[19:40] <Torikun> I have 3 arch pi's already
[19:40] <Torikun> lol
[19:40] <shiftplusone> ah, good.
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[19:43] <Torikun> My 3 PI cluster is now 2 nodes , node 3 is compiling gentoo
[19:43] <Torikun> plan was to move all to gentoo for super geekiness
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[19:44] <biberao> yo
[19:45] * biberao spits on mplayer hardware acc
[19:45] <shiftplusone> ...there is not mplayer hardware acceleration for the pi O_o
[19:45] <jelly1> no
[19:45] <biberao> nope
[19:45] <shiftplusone> *no
[19:46] <biberao> thats why i spit on it
[19:46] <DarkKnightCZ> does anyone know, how to force omxplayer to fill background? if i run omxplayer with -r, it fits the video to the screen resolution, if i run it without -r, there is terminal in the background
[19:46] <Torikun> lol that suscks
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[19:46] <jelly1> Torikun: not mplayer devs fault
[19:46] <biberao> DarkKnightCZ: you running
[19:46] <biberao> omxplayer
[19:46] <jelly1> biberao: not even remotely mplayer devs fault
[19:46] <shiftplusone> DarkKnightCZ, there's something you can do with setterm or something like that. I don't remember exactly.
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[19:46] <biberao> on X
[19:46] <biberao> or console?
[19:46] <DarkKnightCZ> console
[19:46] <biberao> jelly1: i cant play audio to usb
[19:47] <biberao> with omxplayer
[19:47] <shiftplusone> or was it fbset....?
[19:47] <biberao> i was testing mplayer it works but no good video
[19:47] <biberao> DarkKnightCZ: it shows you the letters on the background right?
[19:47] <DarkKnightCZ> yep
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[19:48] <biberao> damn cant remember the full comand
[19:48] <biberao> :|
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[19:48] <biberao> its something like setterm -linux and then /dev/null
[19:48] <biberao> in the end
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[19:48] <biberao> that way will hide the letters
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[19:49] <shiftplusone> some info here http://superuser.com/questions/152347/change-linux-console-screen-blanking-behavior
[19:49] <DarkKnightCZ> biberao: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3//viewtopic.php?f=35&t=9789 this?
[19:50] <shiftplusone> but that script looks like it will work, yes
[19:50] <SanMysterious> Hi, has anyone successfully set up wayland on raspi?
[19:50] <shiftplusone> SanMysterious, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RTk77JRAKw
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[19:51] <shiftplusone> I don't know how, but yes, someone has.
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[19:52] <SanMysterious> Hm I followed these instructions http://wayland.freedesktop.org/raspberrypi.html but still have some dependency issues :/
[19:53] <shiftplusone> Ah, didn't know they had instructions there, thank you.
[19:53] <SanMysterious> ^^
[19:58] <DarkKnightCZ> shiftplusone, biberao: that script works, but it doesnt hide omxplayers output, any ideas?
[19:58] <shiftplusone> redirect it to null
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[19:59] <shiftplusone> run it like you normally would, but add '> /dev/null' at the end
[19:59] <shiftplusone> (though there's probably a cleaner way of doing it)
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[20:02] <DarkKnightCZ> ok, thanks
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[20:05] <biberao> something like that DarkKnightCZ
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[20:12] <Zelest> might be a mac question, but can I use the HDMI port on my macbook pro as "HDMI in" and using the Raspberry as "HDMI out" ?
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[20:13] <factor> raspberry hdmi is already out ,is it not
[20:13] <shiftplusone> factor, 'course
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[20:14] <shiftplusone> so yeah, 100% a mac question.
[20:14] <mjr> Zelest, that's really a macbook question.
[20:14] <Zelest> Fair enough, sorry for being off-topic then. :-)
[20:14] <shiftplusone> off-topic isn't a problem here
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[20:14] <mark_vh> anyone experience with sd card corruption, and ways to prevent it?
[20:15] <Torikun> do not overclock!
[20:15] <mark_vh> (installed flexget/sickbeard and few days of operation killed the card it seems: card status 0x200b00 in fsck on boot)
[20:15] <Torikun> I had the problem when overclocked mark
[20:15] <mark_vh> no overclock
[20:15] <Torikun> hmm no idea then lol
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[20:16] <mark_vh> i'm suspecting the sd card is shot due to limited write cycles, but didn't expect it to go this fast
[20:16] <mark_vh> (based on: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=20659 / http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.beagleboard.user/39884)
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[20:17] * Zelest dd'ed to the partition and not the disk.. *sigh*
[20:17] <shiftplusone> happens
[20:17] <swart> that's a common mistake
[20:18] <Zelest> Do I really need to format it? Seeing I rewrite the whole disk?
[20:19] <shiftplusone> not at all
[20:19] <Zelest> As I thought
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[20:21] <pronto> raspberry pi: Out For Delivery :D
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[20:24] <mark_vh> would it be better to run the rpi from USB rather than sd card?
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[20:24] <Torikun> mark_vh: I hate the performance running on usb memory stick
[20:24] <Torikun> have not tested usb hd yet
[20:24] <yaMatt> and you'll still need an SD card to boot
[20:24] <mjr> Torikun, sticks vary
[20:25] <Torikun> yaMatt: yo!
[20:25] <Torikun> i tried a few different sticks
[20:25] <yaMatt> Torikun, hey! :)
[20:25] <mjr> yaMatt, still, probably less corruption problems
[20:25] <yaMatt> mjr, how so?
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[20:25] <yaMatt> newer USB sticks do seem to be faster in my experience
[20:25] <mjr> yaMatt, if you only read the boot files off of the SD and don't really write there at all, it has less chance to get corrupted, no?
[20:26] <mark_vh> using sd to boot is ok, as long as i can avoid writing repeatedly to it...e.g. by running the rest from usb stick
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[20:27] <yaMatt> mjr, ah, I see what you mean
[20:27] <mark_vh> then again, maybe i was just unlucky with this particular sd card, so i wonder if it's worth it
[20:27] <shiftplusone> mark_vh, I don't know if it would be better, haven't tried, but you can certainly do try and see.
[20:27] <shiftplusone> -do
[20:27] <Torikun> on my 3 Pi cluster, I moved to SD only because the website loaded faster
[20:27] <Torikun> than having it on usb memory stick
[20:27] <mjr> mark_vh, quite possibly
[20:28] <mjr> quite possibly unlucky I mean
[20:28] <mjr> though it's not unheard of for the actual Pi to have strange problems :/
[20:29] <mark_vh> i know...just sorted through all the usb problems, and finally got it stable after setting vm.min_free_kbytes and smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N
[20:30] <mark_vh> that is, stable until now ;)
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[20:32] <Torikun> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7m0dilz3me76mr8/stage4-01232013.tar
[20:32] <Torikun> does that work for anyone
[20:33] <mark_vh> Torikun: showing up fine
[20:33] <Torikun> ty
[20:33] <Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com/?q=node/12 My stage4 for Gentoo on the Pi
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[20:58] <mark_vh> anyone running flexget and/or sickbeard?
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[21:00] <mark_vh> (I wonder if these are the source of the problems of my sd card)
[21:00] <Tachyon`> bah, in a bidding war with someone on ebay for a Z88 that might not even work, lol
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[21:01] <Tachyon`> oh, a new player, okay, it went over ???42, someone else gets it -.-
[21:01] <Tachyon`> it says it doesn't work but it seems I'm not the only person who knows they look dead if you don't prod the reset button with a paperclip after changing dead batteries
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> Tachyon`: I have one within 6m
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> 3m
[21:02] <Tachyon`> I had one years ago, lol
[21:02] <Tachyon`> this one had the 128K RAM, 128K EPROM and PC Link modules so would have been worth haivng if just for those
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[21:03] <pet0> hello.. can i get some help with install?
[21:05] <pet0> i have a 8gb card and am a linux user.. how should i format and partition the card before copying the image?
[21:05] <pet0> also i want to install arch
[21:07] <mjr> pet0, you should not, the image contains partitioning and formatting
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[21:20] <groundnuty> hey, I just got my RaspPi. I'm archlinux user on my desktop. What is recomended os for PI? I imagine debian might be more supported yea?
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[21:21] <flowsnake> arch works well
[21:21] <qrwteyrutiyoup> +1 for arch works well
[21:21] <qrwteyrutiyoup> do you have 2 SD cards? try both :)
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[21:22] <groundnuty> qrwteyrutiyoup: just one, nice 32GB class 10, 90MBs read :)
[21:22] <pksato> if you know arch, arch is ok.
[21:22] <qrwteyrutiyoup> cool one, groundnuty :)
[21:22] <flowsnake> i've noticed a few missing packages in the armv6 repos, that's about it
[21:22] <qrwteyrutiyoup> I use both, but since I am also an arch desktop user, I feel more comfortable with it. both work fine, IMO
[21:22] <groundnuty> pksato: ok, but isnt there more software in debian repos.... or more tuorials use debian etc? :)
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[21:23] <pksato> groundnuty: yes, debian is a official distro.
[21:23] <groundnuty> qrwteyrutiyoup: might be a stupid question but... AUR works with ARM?
[21:24] <groundnuty> qrwteyrutiyoup: or rather is there anyting that works on PI :)
[21:24] <enthusi> groundnuty: class 10, 90MBs read?
[21:24] <enthusi> I think the pi itself will limit it to about 18 or 20 MB
[21:24] <groundnuty> enthusi: 90r/50w
[21:24] <pksato> I recomend to get other sd card, 2GB is fine, to test other OSs.
[21:25] <groundnuty> enthusi: Patriot SDHC 32GB EP Pro Series UHS-I 90/50 MB/s
[21:25] <groundnuty> pksato: will do that thx :)
[21:25] <enthusi> does it say so or did you measure within raspi?
[21:26] <enthusi> hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0p1
[21:26] <groundnuty> enthusi: just got my PI will play with it after torrent is downloaded :)
[21:26] <Tachyon`> hrm, I really need to read ebay ads more carefully
[21:26] <Tachyon`> that's the second time I've almost bought a magazine advert rather than an actual item
[21:26] <enthusi> groundnuty: dont me disappointed when it will be about 20 mb/s
[21:27] <enthusi> be
[21:27] <groundnuty> enthusi: I wont price on this SD was good ;P
[21:27] <flowsnake> groundnuty: not everything on aur will work, but most aur packages just download source and compile it which works fine
[21:27] <enthusi> the pi's 'bus' aint that fast
[21:27] <flowsnake> well, for limited values of "fine" since there are broken things
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[21:27] <groundnuty> flowsnake: 'most' is a good word I feared 'few' or almost none :)
[21:28] <flowsnake> groundnuty: not that I've installed that much off it, so YMMV
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[21:28] <flowsnake> also, you have to add arch=(armv6h) to the PKGBUILD but that doesn't take much
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[21:31] <qrwteyrutiyoup> flowsnake: I think there is a flag for makepkg to ignore the arch (hence you don't need to change the arch manually in the PKGBUILD.
[21:32] <qrwteyrutiyoup> flowsnake: this one: -A, --ignorearch
[21:32] <flowsnake> qrwteyrutiyoup: ah ok, i use yaourt usually
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[21:32] <flowsnake> not sure if you can pass in makepkg options
[21:33] <groundnuty> flowsnake: the guys on archlinux would kill you for using yaourt ;P
[21:34] <groundnuty> (I use it as well ;) )
[21:34] <qrwteyrutiyoup> ah I see, flowsnake. indeed, it would be nice if we could set it somewhere :)
[21:34] <flowsnake> groundnuty: is there anything wrong with it or do they just hate aur helpers?
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[21:36] <groundnuty> flowsnake: plenty of arguments, one that I recall that made sence was that PKGBUILD gets sourced before beeing showned to edit
[21:36] <groundnuty> flowsnake: as in it is potentialy dangerous
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[21:42] <pronto> D: raspberry pi is delivered , and i'm still at work .xx
[21:43] <s5fs> pronto: you feeling okay? ate something weird at lunch maybe?
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[21:43] <s5fs> ..prob should go home, don't wanna infect the team..
[21:43] <biberao> yoyo
[21:43] <pronto> lol
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[21:46] <pet0> after i copyied the image on the card i should be able to power up the rpi and ssh to it as root right?
[21:46] <pet0> but if i connect it to my router it doesnt show up
[21:47] <RobCWDudley> pet0: should be able to
[21:48] <RobCWDudley> pet0: not sure if the config screen loads before the network inits on first boot though
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[21:48] <Holden> could one person open this stream and tell me if it sees anything (not all together, don't have enough bandwidth :D)
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[21:49] <s5fs> Holden: I see a video on an rpi screen background
[21:50] <s5fs> login screen w/video overlay
[21:50] <Holden> s5fs, ok, great thanks
[21:50] <s5fs> np
[21:50] <pksato> go to waste Holden upload band. :)
[21:50] <Holden> lool
[21:51] <pksato> no complet image here.
[21:51] <Holden> pksato, uh? what player?
[21:51] <pksato> mplayer
[21:51] <pksato> vlc ok.
[21:52] <pksato> some music clip.
[21:52] <Holden> pksato, yes, mplayer seems to have problems with some ogg streams
[21:52] <Holden> others should be ok: firefox, ffplay, vlc, totem etc
[21:52] <pksato> [0x9c0a58c] main input error: ES_OUT_SET_(GROUP_)PCR is called too late (pts_delay increased to 1628 ms)
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[21:53] <pksato> now stoped.
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[21:53] <Torikun> any gentoo PI users?
[21:53] <pksato> I stop.
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[22:01] <dape> uhm, anyone seeing more than 20 MB/sec speed with hdparm? i had 20 with a 8 gb sandisk labelled with 30 mb/sec and 19 with a sandisk extreme labelled 45 mb/sec
[22:01] <Holden> pksato, could you try one more time?
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[22:01] <axion> Torikun: what's the real question?
[22:02] <Torikun> are you on gentoo ?
[22:02] <axion> LFS
[22:02] <pksato> Holden: wtaching...
[22:02] <pksato> some freeze
[22:02] <Torikun> How long it take you to get up and running axion
[22:02] <axion> a couple days
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[22:03] <Torikun> gentoo is so slow on the pi
[22:03] <Torikun> *compiling*
[22:03] <axion> lack of ram hurts the most
[22:03] <Torikun> i am not using a swap file/partition
[22:03] <Torikun> would it help?
[22:03] <Holden> pksato, hmm ok, still slow?
[22:03] <axion> change your MAKEFLAGS to 2
[22:03] <Torikun> it is
[22:03] <axion> ok
[22:04] <Torikun> would swap help?
[22:04] <axion> yes, if you dont have a swap, you will likely fail
[22:04] <axion> even more likely on a 256m pi
[22:04] <Torikun> 512mb here
[22:04] <pksato> Holden: some freezes, but, bw issues.
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[22:04] <Torikun> doing ok, just trying to get ssh and ntp and screen isntalled now
[22:04] <Holden> pksato, ok, perfect thanks
[22:04] <pksato> Holden: image is good.
[22:05] <Torikun> i made a stage4 on my website to help people save time axion
[22:05] <Holden> pksato, it's actually my rpi hooked up to a tv card
[22:05] <Torikun> extract and boot
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[22:05] <axion> i dont download binaries
[22:06] <Torikun> its just the kernel compiled
[22:06] <axion> i would certainly compile that myself to tailor it to what i need if i was going the route of a tailored system like gentoo/lfs
[22:06] <Torikun> takes forever and you have tosetup cross compiling
[22:06] <Torikun> ah
[22:07] <Torikun> i wish I could chroot on my laptop and make the system there first
[22:07] <Torikun> would save much time
[22:07] <Torikun> distcc requires 150 packages to be compiled..........mind blowing
[22:07] <mjr> you can actually, with qemu's help
[22:07] <Torikun> oh?
[22:08] <Torikun> would compiling be better on NFS/Cifs share on the pi/
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[22:09] <mjr> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8478 points at how you can run a pi system on an x86 box in a chroot using qemu-static
[22:09] <axion> check out the cross linux from scratch book for info on how to setup a cross-compiler for the armv6 hardfloat sub-architecture
[22:09] <Torikun> ty
[22:09] <Torikun> I setup cross compiler on my gentoo laptop
[22:09] <Torikun> does not let you chroot though
[22:10] <Torikun> you can but cant run any binaries lol
[22:10] <RobCWDudley> any idea how to get back to x from login screen? login is looping and won't let me in :(
[22:10] <axion> then your tools are not built for the host cpu
[22:10] <mjr> 'course, everything there runs under emulation, so if you have a working cross-compiler, it's probably faster
[22:10] <Torikun> laptop is intel
[22:10] <Torikun> cross compiling setup worked for the kernel
[22:10] <Torikun> per teh wiki guide
[22:10] <axion> so you need a proper cross-compiling toolchain
[22:11] <Torikun> Yes
[22:11] <Torikun> got a guide for hat?
[22:11] <axion> sec
[22:11] <Torikun> 1 more package left to compile and I can ssh into the box lol
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[22:11] <pecorade> Hi.
[22:12] <Torikun> axion: so far I did this http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
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[22:13] <Torikun> ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/usr/bin/armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi- emerge firefox-bin INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/mnt/raspberrypiroot/
[22:13] <Torikun> maybe like that axion?
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[22:13] <axion> Torikun: chapter 6: http://cross-lfs.org/view/clfs-embedded/arm/
[22:13] <Torikun> ty
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[22:14] <pet0> failed retrieving file 'mpfr-3.1.1.p2-2-armv6h.pkg.tar.xz'
[22:14] <pet0> im trying to install gcc.. any help pls
[22:15] <axion> which operating system?
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[22:16] <axion> pet0: arch?
[22:16] <pet0> ye
[22:16] <pet0> s
[22:16] <axion> pet0: pacman -Syyu then retry what you were doing
[22:16] <pet0> ty
[22:16] <axion> two y's
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[22:30] <pet0> one more thing.. if i installed 2 gb arch on a 8gb card how should i resize?
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[22:31] <dape> with gparted
[22:31] <dape> boot with gparted livecd on a mac, linux or pc or just use your linux distro gparted package
[22:31] <pet0> should i first edit fstab then format?
[22:32] <dape> after you dd arch linux on the 8 gb card use gparted to resize and thats it
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[22:32] <axion> pet0: you should resize the filesystem, and then the partition itself. or just use parted...or if youre really lazy gparted
[22:33] <pet0> probably gonna go with parted but never done it before
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[22:34] <pet0> since parted is already on arch img
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[22:46] <groundnuty> can I just plug freshly dd-ed PI to network and expect it to work?
[22:46] <groundnuty> no hdmi cabel around atm
[22:46] <dape> if its arch it will dhcp and run sshd with username root and password root
[22:46] <pet0> yes just did it while ago
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[22:46] <groundnuty> debian this time
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[22:47] <groundnuty> arch will go after I play with debian :)
[22:47] <dape> i'm sorry, i tried raspbian and the slowness made me dd the next os
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[22:48] <groundnuty> dape: so arch it is :)
[22:49] <dape> groundnuty my experience is mine, you are free to try whatever you like until you made your own opinion
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[22:49] <groundnuty> dape: I'm arch user on my desktop
[22:49] <groundnuty> dape: just wnated to try debian since it is official
[22:50] <dape> cool, i didn't install any graphical stuff on my Pi arch yet
[22:50] <groundnuty> dape: I probbaly wont fell such need either
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[22:51] <pet0> what should i set the dump field in fstab when im adding the extra space partition as /home ? i dont really know what it does from man
[22:51] <dape> 0 0 ?
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[22:52] <mjr> dump field is pretty much unused, it's part of an old backup system
[22:52] <mjr> 0 is fine
[22:52] <mjr> the pass field should probably be 2
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[22:52] <mjr> since fscking the filesystems is not similarly obsolete
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[22:53] <mjr> (1 for the root filesystem, 2 for others, generally)
[22:53] <pet0> yes i set that to 2
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[22:53] <pet0> thanks
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[22:54] <groundnuty> dape: for home better to go with ext3 or ext2?
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[22:54] <groundnuty> i remmeber one was more I/O efficient
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[22:56] <mjr> I'd just go for ext4. ext2 would probably do slightly less writing, but at cost of filesystem reliability
[22:56] <dape> groundnuty was a time (in kernel speak :P) when ext4 was a bit slower with defaults than ext3 but now, with arch's 3.6.11 i think its safe to use ext4 and tune its mount params if you feel the need
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[22:57] <groundnuty> dape: ok, I must have read about it ~2 years ago when choosing fs for my ssd drive
[22:57] <groundnuty> archlinux wiki had a section about it
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[22:59] <pronto> wtf, only one of the two rasbperry pis were shipped >.<
[23:00] <groundnuty> dape: btw. care to share your usecase of PI?
[23:00] <pet0> for how long is it safe to run rpi? wont it get overheated in time? as i can feel the case is already warm
[23:01] <dape> groundnuty yeah, put pics on two articles on my little blog - http://www.ip6.ro/raspberry-pi/ghid-rapid-instalare-arch-linux-raspberry-pi/
[23:01] <dape> pet0 it may seem a little warm but if you keep it at 700mhz you should not worry
[23:01] <groundnuty> dape: tanks god for google translate ;>
[23:02] <dape> groundnuty yeah, latest post has the pi with the transparent simple case, the article before has pics with the pi and the white case
[23:02] <groundnuty> dape: case or not, I rather asked what you use it for :)
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[23:03] <groundnuty> I planed to make it 24/365 home sever, with irc, torrent clients
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[23:03] <groundnuty> some samba
[23:04] <dape> ah, got it, usecase you mean the purpose.. well i took the first to discover its features with raspbmc and raspbian then i got the second on a cheaper deal with the cool translucent case to put arch on it and keep the first for graphical tests and maybe pilfs or gentoo compiles
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[23:04] <dape> your plans seem pretty bald
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[23:04] <dape> or it ot bold? good luck you might just make it if you use a little overclocking.. ;-P
[23:05] <groundnuty> dape: you think torrents wont do? :)
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[23:05] <Aciid> babbys first rasperrypi project overclocking, instant regret
[23:05] <dape> i'm not sure, never ran a OS on a sdcard until now, tho i am confident in the power of Sandisk i have rather big doubts
[23:06] <Gordio> Who use wayland now?
[23:06] <dape> excuse me, be back a bit later from shower
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[23:06] <dape> hmm, should i take the pi with me?
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[23:06] <groundnuty> dape: got Patriot SDHC 32GB EP Pro Series UHS-I 90/50 MB/s - I'm not worried yet :)
[23:07] <groundnuty> Gordio: wayland is usable yet? :)
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[23:10] <axion> wayland is not an X replacement anyway
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[23:21] <gordonDrogon> dape, my sandisk SD's are fine.
[23:21] <DarkKnightCZ> how to achieve auto mounting usb drives? if i mount it via sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb, its just readonly
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[23:24] <Gordio> axion, no way to use "X11 programs" with H.A.? :(
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[23:26] <mjr> H.A.?
[23:26] <mjr> also Wayland is for most people's purposes an X replacement, though not for all purposes
[23:26] <omnicitadel> using vanilla x as included with raspbmc ~/.xsession works great however the absence of & causes teh rest of the desktop to not load, and the presence of & causes a login loop??? any suggestions?
[23:27] <omnicitadel> errr not raspbmc but raspbian
[23:27] <earl2> what do you guys suggest is a viable path to go from a prototype to production of a device that would embed linux? Should I target development for the pi, "finish" it and when everything is working, think about porting it to something more mass-production that doesn't have interfaces I don't need?
[23:28] <earl2> or do people actually ship devices with an embedded pi in it?
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[23:36] <dape> gordonDrogon and groundnuty would you mind telling me the second result of hdparm -tT on your sdcards? thanks
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[23:39] <gordonDrogon> dape, 19.7MB/sec.
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> which is as fast as it gets.
[23:39] <dape> same here
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[23:39] <dape> both sandisk 8 gb ultra 30 mb/s and extreme 16 gb 45 mb/s top at 20 mb/s
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> that's to be expected.
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> it's the limit of the Pi's IO.
[23:40] <dape> i see.. thanks for confirmation
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> could be worse... actually it was worse in the bad old days - 3MB/sec was good :)
[23:41] <dape> we're blessed with good developers then..
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> earl2, I know people are in the process of shipping a device with a Pi 'embedded' into it, running Linux.
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[23:42] <mjr> dape, you should've seen the rates that the original broadcom sd reader driver got. Which were not 20MB/s ;)
[23:42] <earl2> gordonDrogon, that is a bit ambiguous. Do you mean "I know some people who are in the PROCESS of shipping a device" (ongoing) or, "Raspberry being shipped as a component at scale."
[23:42] <groundnuty> dape: will as soon as PI is up :)
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[23:43] <dape> you guys are a nice community
[23:45] <earl2> what do you mean, 'is up'?
[23:45] <earl2> oh
[23:45] <earl2> sorry i thought you were gordon
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> earl2, it's not shipped yet, but will be, soon.
[23:45] <earl2> gordonDrogon, I thought that's what you might mean. So, it's not really being shipped in a device by anyone at present...?
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> earl2, not yet, but they have plans.
[23:46] <earl2> gordonDrogon, also, am I right that they are gong to ship something in low volume and "very proprietary" (high gross margin)?
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> earl2, not terribly proprietary and low volume initially.
[23:46] <earl2> gordonDrogon: what makes them want to embed a pi, instead of simply prototyping for pi and then getting it onto a commodity SOC etc?
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> earl2, good point. mostly because I'm doing the work on it.
[23:47] <earl2> ah, lol. and you don't do soc work? :)
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> pi makes an excellent ethernet shield to an arduino.
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[23:47] <gordonDrogon> I don't design boards with SoCs on. Atmegas are my limit right now.
[23:48] <earl2> or, the arduino makes an excellent ADC component for a pi.
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> so plan A: Pi + Arduino + 'breakout interfacing modules'. Plan B: Pi + custom ATmega board with interface components on-board.
[23:48] <earl2> it's all point of view :)
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> it's all point of easiness.
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> it's a good rapid development platform.
[23:50] <earl2> I mean, you can call a Pi + Arduino "an excellent pi ethernet shield for the arduino" or you can call it "an excellent adc etc expansion for the pi"
[23:51] <earl2> It's like, "Plan A is we use an Arduino with a pi instead of an ethernet shield and to help with the processing." "Plan B is we use a Pi with an Arduino to help with the analog" :-D same system.
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[23:52] <earl2> gordonDrogon, I know you don't develop for SoC's, but did you explore or hear anything about them? What would be a natural migration path if someone were to prototype on the pi with the expectation of going SoC for production?
[23:52] <earl2> or do you really have to do it all over again for the soc, so that the pi is just a proof of concept but you can't use the code or architecture?
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[23:54] <groundnuty> hmm just installed archlinux on PI, trying ssh root/root does not work
[23:56] <dape> you sure on the right ip? caps lock?
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[23:57] <groundnuty> dape: is default hostname raspberrypi? :)
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[23:57] <pet0> no
[23:57] <dape> it's alarmpi
[23:57] <pronto> raspberrypi.home
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[23:58] <gordonDrogon> earl2, unless you've got lots of money, stick with the Pi, I reckon.
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[23:58] <dape> groundnuty "Jan 23 18:59:50 wndr daemon.info dnsmasq-dhcp[1965]: DHCPACK(br-lan) b8:27:eb:20:3d:ce alarmpi"
[23:58] <mervaka> i hate the word "shield".
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[23:58] <earl2> gordonDrogon, this is very interesting advice. (And a bit surprising, given how low unit costs can be for some soc's). Could you elaborate?
[23:58] <mervaka> it infers that it keeps the uninitiated uninitiated.
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> if I was going to sell a million then maybe I'd look for a custom unit..
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> Hm. So I can get 65K interrupts//sec into a user program via the GPIO with my new ISR handler in wiringPi.
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> I think that's good enough.
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[23:59] <earl2> gordonDrogon, so are you saying it takes like months to translate something from pi onto a soc?

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