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IRC Log for 2013-01-24

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[0:00] <mervaka> on that note, does anyone know of any low cost dev boards that are SoC or uC+FPGA topology?
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> earl2, no idea, I'm not even thinking about it.
[0:00] <earl2> is that what you mean? that it's just difficult specialized development, like rewriting a python script into 100 bytes of asm?
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> no idea and I don't actually care.
[0:00] <earl2> gordonDrogon, I mean where did this statement about "million units" or "unless you've got lots of money" come from? (Even if it's just your impressions). I know almost nothing about this...
[0:00] <earl2> okay
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> I don't think I need a custome SoC. Even the RPI Foundation didn't use a customer SoC. They used one that was already avalable.
[0:01] <earl2> Is the reason you don't care, that you consider pi to really be totally acceptable for embedding in a commercial product, and for a small team it would be expensive to try to optimize this component away into something small and different?
[0:01] <pet0> ear12 what kind of soc do you have in mind?
[0:01] <groundnuty> dape: definately I'm trying to ssh a good device :) ssh root@10.0.10.164 password:root - soo not working :)
[0:01] <earl2> wait, gordonDRogon, what did you mean "custom"?
[0:02] <earl2> I didn't mean custom - I meant commodity COS.
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> earl2, yes, I think it's acceptible.
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> The Pi is good enough.
[0:02] <earl2> okay. I'm going to go ahead and go with the same belief then.
[0:02] <dape> groundnuty maybe someone hit it and changed the password before you? :)
[0:02] <earl2> I like the pi a LOT. It's like Perl - bam, it's just there, huge ecosystem, you can put together anything in minutes and then optimize where necessary.
[0:03] <debenham> or perhaps remote root logins are disabled
[0:03] <groundnuty> dape: I will ask my roomate who also has PI but I doubt he would be so baaad ;P
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[0:03] <earl2> I can't imagine what kind of embedded system development is as quick as ssh'ing into pi and adding a python script.,
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[0:03] <earl2> gordonDrogon, I'm curious what you're developing. Care to talk about it at all? :)
[0:03] <mervaka> pic? atmel? arm?
[0:04] <mervaka> depends what you're doing.
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> earl2, NDA. Can't talk about some of the projects I'm working on.
[0:04] <mervaka> and familiarity with tools
[0:04] <earl2> interesting. How abou this. What is the team structure like: you're working on the software side and they're working on the hardware which you see as an abstraction? Or are you doing both/everything?
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[0:05] <gordonDrogon> but right now all my paid-for projects involve Pi's! (which I rather like)
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[0:06] <gordonDrogon> earl2, varied. I have mechanical, electronics and software engineering skills.
[0:06] <earl2> very interesting.
[0:06] <earl2> say, gordonDrogon, what's your rate :-D
[0:06] <earl2> and do you have any capacity at that rate?
[0:06] <techkid6> 'Ello
[0:06] <gordonDrogon> earl2, depends, but ?300 a day + VAT is a starting point.
[0:07] <gordonDrogon> however my little grey cells need refreshing and so now I'm off to bed.
[0:07] <earl2> :)
[0:07] <earl2> okay
[0:07] <earl2> maybe I'll hit you up sometime :)
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[0:07] <gordonDrogon> you know my contact details..
[0:07] <earl2> yep :)
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[0:22] <Torikun> I rsynced my gentoo arm compiled binaries to my x86 system....guess what happened
[0:22] <Torikun> lol
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[0:35] <Coburn> lol Torikun
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[0:35] <Torikun> starting fro scratch lol
[0:35] <pronto> http://i.imgur.com/406Ia0M.jpg :D
[0:35] <pronto> Torikun: ...LMAO
[0:36] <Torikun> nice
[0:36] <pronto> Torikun: and i'm pasting that in random irc channels
[0:36] <Torikun> lol
[0:36] <Torikun> I figured out how to do gentoo on mylaptop
[0:36] <Torikun> and just rsync everything over
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[0:38] <Coburn> llo
[0:38] <Coburn> heh
[0:38] <Torikun> last time I just rsynced it to the wrong system
[0:38] <Torikun> lmfao
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[0:42] <groundnuty> dape: hdparm -tT http://pastie.org/5839940
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[0:43] <Torikun> groundnuty: is that good
[0:43] <dape> thx, so 20 mb/s limit
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[0:43] <Torikun> /dev/mmcblk0:
[0:43] <Torikun> Timing cached reads: 282 MB in 2.00 seconds = 140.66 MB/sec
[0:43] <groundnuty> Torikun: well depends, as dope suggested it seems to be max of PI
[0:44] <groundnuty> my card states 90MB/s read 50MB/s write
[0:44] <groundnuty> so it seems to excede PI capabilities
[0:46] <martk100> I want to install an app called Easystroke on Archlinux. Itis available in the comunity repo. But I can not find it when I type pacman -Q Easystroke on my pi. How do I search or add repos. I am new to Archlinux
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[0:47] <Torikun> -Qs I think
[0:47] <Torikun> or Ss
[0:47] <dape> isnt it pacman -Ss ?
[0:47] <Torikun> pacman -Ss easystroke
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[0:47] <Torikun> community/easystroke 0.5.6-1
[0:47] <Torikun> Use mouse gestures to initiate commands and hotkeys.
[0:47] <Torikun> works
[0:48] <martk100> Torikun: dape: Where is it?
[0:48] <Torikun> community
[0:48] <Torikun> pacman -Syf easystroke --noconfirm
[0:48] <martk100> Torikun: Will pacman -Ss Easystroke fid it?
[0:49] <Torikun> lowercase e
[0:49] <martk100> Torikun: Yes.
[0:49] <Torikun> works for me
[0:49] <martk100> Torikun: Is it source code or compiled app.
[0:49] <Torikun> compiled
[0:50] <Torikun> in community repo
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[0:51] <martk100> Torikun: What I really want is to find a file which i can use on Deban Wheezy. Where can I find this?
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[0:51] <Torikun> I do not understand the question
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[0:52] <martk100> I want to use easystroke on Debian. If the arh app was source I could copy the file and use it on Debian. If it is compiled I can not.
[0:53] <Torikun> Yes
[0:53] <martk100> Torikun: Ok thanks for your help.
[0:53] <Torikun> you can't just move a binary from distro to distro and expect it to work
[0:54] <Torikun> you may have dependancy or library issues
[0:54] <martk100> Torikun: No indeed.
[0:54] <Torikun> compile from source takes care of all that
[0:54] <Torikun> or let's you know when something is wrong
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[0:58] <earl2> so is there any shortage of rpi's, or does supply meet demand?
[0:59] <DarkKnightCZ> im trying to compile libcec on rpi, but it keeps kicking me on c++ compiler - "configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables", but gcc and g++ are installed, anyone has an idea?
[1:00] <pronto> lol, mplayer crashed :(
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[1:06] <Opinie> earl2: as far as I know, anyone who wants a pi can order one.. you may just have to wait a few weeks to get it
[1:07] <earl2> but say someone wants to buy 1,000 of them. can they do that in a 'few' weeks?
[1:07] <earl2> or, what ist he limit. what kind of capacity are we talking about?
[1:07] <linuxstb> DarkKnightCZ: Try to install the build-essential package.
[1:07] <Coburn> Does anyone know how to do a quick test to see if eth0 has an IP?
[1:08] <DarkKnightCZ> linuxstb: its installed, i've already tried to reinstall it, no changes
[1:09] <linuxstb> DarkKnightCZ: Does config.log shed any light?
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[1:09] <DarkKnightCZ> toolchain/arm-bcm2708/arm-bcm2708hardfp-linux-gnueabi/bin/arm-bcm2708hardfp-linux-gnueabi-g++ .... -> cannot execute variable
[1:10] <DarkKnightCZ> *binary file, cannot execute binary file
[1:10] <linuxstb> Hmm, you're cross-compiling?
[1:12] <DarkKnightCZ> nope, on rasp
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[1:12] <linuxstb> What does "file toolchain/arm-bcm2708/arm-bcm2708hardfp-linux-gnueabi/bin/arm-bcm2708hardfp-linux-gnueabi-g++" say?
[1:12] <DarkKnightCZ> oh, right
[1:13] <DarkKnightCZ> i cannot read :)
[1:13] <Torikun> lol
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[1:14] <DarkKnightCZ> yeah, cross compiling for raspberry on raspberry :D
[1:14] <pksato> cross comp on rpi to genereto to rpi? :)
[1:14] <Torikun> macbook to pi
[1:14] <Torikun> lol
[1:14] <Opinie> earl2: that I don't know, but why would you want 1000 pis in the first place?
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[1:15] <earl2> Opinie to sell them in an embedded solution
[1:15] <Primer> World domination, obviously
[1:15] <earl2> that is really not that many units, worldwide
[1:15] <earl2> so from the soudns of it, i should prototype on a pi, and then go into limited production while translating what i have to something that i can buy unlimited chips for
[1:15] <JokesOnYou77> Hi all, does the netfilx for linux app (special firefox window with WINE) work with any of the linux distros on the Pi?
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[1:16] <earl2> interesting question: does anyone use their pi as their desktop?
[1:16] <earl2> (i assume someone who really really likes the terminal)
[1:16] <Torikun> i tried it on my tv as a desktop earl2 too slow
[1:16] <earl2> yah i would think it is
[1:16] <Torikun> so I tirned it into a server
[1:16] <earl2> except just as a terminal
[1:16] <Opinie> earl2: err.. I think you may want to contact a solicitor and the pi foundation about stuff like that
[1:16] <earl2> solicitor?
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[1:17] <Opinie> a lawyer whatever they are called, my spelling is getting rusty
[1:17] <pksato> sales men of RS o Farnell.
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[1:18] <earl2> but why "lawyer"
[1:18] <earl2> what would i need that for
[1:18] <DarkKnightCZ> hmm, it appears that udev cannot be detected by libcec config script, any ideas?
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[1:20] <pksato> earl2: depend of regulation on you country. For sell a product, not to buy.
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[1:20] <earl2> I have no idea what we're talking about.
[1:21] <pksato> I just writing randon words. :)
[1:23] <DarkKnightCZ> nevermind, libudev-dev
[1:24] <builder> /whois earl2
[1:24] <earl2> hehe
[1:24] <earl2> I'm an american travelling thru europe and working an on embedded solution
[1:25] <earl2> can I run a raspberry (raspbian) image on my windows laptop in a VM like vmware?
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[1:25] <pksato> earl2: on qemu-arm.
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[1:26] <pksato> but, I dont know if emulate GPIO and other HW.
[1:26] <earl2> of course not :)
[1:26] <earl2> i am interested in the software side
[1:26] <earl2> even as i build the hw side
[1:27] <Opinie> earl2: I can't quote you any particular laws or anything, but to me it just seems probable that you'd need the permission of the Pi foundation to use their product as part of anything you want to be selling
[1:28] <earl2> of course you don't - that's ridiculous
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[1:28] <pksato> http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/
[1:28] <Opinie> earl2: and why not?
[1:28] <poli> Opinie: there was a lawsuit in the US in the past that determined that if you sell someone a product, they can do whatever they want with it. Completly different from a software license.
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[1:29] <pksato> earl2: read FAQ on raspberry pi site.
[1:29] <earl2> why would you even think that someone couldn't resell it
[1:29] <Opinie> poli: that's a little different. This is incorporating the Pi into a new product
[1:29] <earl2> it's just a computer.
[1:29] <Opinie> not someone just utilizing their property
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[1:29] <JokesOnYou77> Does anyone know if the netfilx for linux app (special firefox window with WINE) works with any of the linux distros on the Pi?
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[1:30] <earl2> pksato, I looked through the faq. it doesn't say anything about embedding.
[1:30] <axion> ou CAN resell a pi-based product. the name is trademarked however
[1:31] <Primer> I feel it would be quite ridiculous to try to enforce such a restriction
[1:31] <earl2> " You don?t need any special licence to resell, and they [meaning RS and Farnell, who pi exclusively sells to at discount rates] very happy to sell on to resellers." (meaning, sell to someone like me who himself will sell to a customer)
[1:31] <axion> right
[1:31] <earl2> but this we knew
[1:32] <earl2> if you don't make any modifications you always have the right to resell
[1:32] <earl2> it's the doctrine of first sale (and even in patent law - doctrine of exhaustion)
[1:32] <earl2> But I am saying that, OBVIOUSLY the same thing applies in this case to embedding it in a different product.
[1:32] <earl2> there is just no question legally.
[1:33] <earl2> "If, like Brian, you?re making a product which requires a Raspberry Pi to run, we don?t ask you to buy special permission or licences from us to use it. All we ask is that you include the words ?Powered by Raspberry Pi? somewhere on your packaging. If your business is successful, we?d be very grateful if you could consider donating a small portion of your profits to the Raspberry Pi Foundation ? but that?s all, and i
[1:33] <earl2> f you choose not to do that, that?s fine too." is also on the site
[1:33] <Opinie> if that satisfies you then go ahead
[1:33] <Opinie> it's really none of my business
[1:33] <Primer> Seems reasonable
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[1:34] <earl2> I don't get why we're talking about this
[1:34] <pksato> earl2: http://www.raspberrypi.org/trademark-rules
[1:34] <axion> you could resell a pi with your own software not even modified if you so wish. the foundation still gets more sales. just dont say you are affiliated with them, or use their logo
[1:34] <earl2> i dont want to even mention their trademark. I'm talking about just embedding the thing - as a chip.
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[1:34] <earl2> exactly.
[1:37] <Opinie> earl2: so what sort of product did you have in mind?
[1:37] <earl2> just something proprietary. it's not really aobut the pi.
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[1:38] <poli> Opinie: so you mean people might not be able to use their provided schematics to build it from scratch?
[1:40] <Opinie> poli: what I was merely suggesting that it's usually a decent idea to be sure that what you're doing is allowed
[1:40] <Opinie> I don't really see what the problem with that is
[1:41] <Opinie> I just found a post about this particular subject on raspberrypi.org; all they want you to do is to include the words "'Powered by Raspberry Pi' somewhere on your packaging"
[1:41] <Opinie> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1892
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[1:42] <earl2> yah i quoted it abov
[1:42] <poli> Opinie: I would do it just for the free marketing, but yes, I think it is a decent thing to do.
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[1:43] <Opinie> earl2: must have missed that
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[1:49] <Daemonx> I am trying to built an AP with raspberry with hostapd and I get this error message when launching the hostapd, the config file has been crosschecked several time and everything seems to be in order:
[1:49] <Daemonx> rfkill: Cannot open RFKILL control device
[1:49] <Daemonx> nl80211: Failed to add interface wlan0 into bridge br0: Operation not supported
[1:49] <Daemonx> nl80211 driver initialization failed.
[1:49] <Daemonx> does somebody ever experiance that ?
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[1:50] <pksato> Daemonx: not all wifi adapter work as AP.
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[1:51] <cohesioN> hey all, I was just wondering if anyone has experienced issues with their RPi shutting down/rebooting not too long after boot when it's overclocked to turbo (was running RetroArch SNES emulator on boot)
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[1:51] <cohesioN> or if there's anyway to debug what's causing the shutdown
[1:51] <chithead> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ has a list of hardware/drivers that support ap mode
[1:52] <Daemonz> pksato it works in Windows though
[1:52] <pksato> use lower max frequency.
[1:52] <chithead> without knowing your hardware/driver I'd say the driver or firmware that you use does not support AP mode
[1:53] <Daemonz> geez
[1:53] <Daemonz> all this time for nothing, it is not supported
[1:53] <Daemonz> :( Thanks a lot chithead
[1:53] <pksato> or, only dont support bridge mode.
[1:54] <Daemonz> rtl8187
[1:54] <Daemonz> does not support it
[1:54] <Daemonz> Thanks guys
[1:54] <pksato> 0bda:8187 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187 Wireless Adapter
[1:54] <poli> my gosh my screen is posessed. every time I hit Crtl-X Crtl-S it hangs
[1:54] <pksato> ?
[1:54] <Macer> alrighty
[1:54] <Macer> got my 32GB SD and my pi case
[1:54] <Macer> what's a good server only distro to use for a pi?
[1:54] <comradekingu> Macer: debian
[1:55] <Macer> comradekingu: there is an actual debian for pi?
[1:55] <Macer> no ui?
[1:55] <Daemonz> yup pksato
[1:55] <chithead> debian will be softfloat only
[1:55] <pksato> rasbian is a debian
[1:55] <chithead> the foundation recommended distro is raspbian, a hardfloat fork of debian
[1:56] <comradekingu> Macer: if you want to, they have a hardfloat one aswell
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[1:56] <pksato> but raspbian are more know as hardware float. And wheezy as float.
[1:56] <Macer> comradekingu: i thought the hardflot one was raspbian?
[1:57] <Macer> hardfloat
[1:57] <pksato> but, both are Debian.
[1:57] <chithead> debian itself has hardfloat only for armv7
[1:57] <comradekingu> Macer: Yes it is, that is a debian spin/flavour
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[1:57] <Macer> comradekingu: can you skip the ui install ?
[1:57] <Macer> i am going to use it as a server don't really need xorg/lxde
[1:57] <chithead> raspbian is not debian
[1:57] <comradekingu> Macer: yes, go with the expert install on the d-i
[1:58] <comradekingu> chithead: how is it different?
[1:58] <Macer> ah ok. thanks. i'll work on it later. i have to do a few things first heh
[1:58] <comradekingu> brb, must eat
[1:59] <Macer> The requested URL /downloads/raspberrypi/images/raspbian/2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian/2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian.zip was not found on this server.
[1:59] <Macer> uhm :)
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[2:00] <Macer> oh there it goes
[2:00] <Macer> weird
[2:00] <chithead> comradekingu: raspbian is made by separate people and downloads from separate repositories. it builds packages for armv6 hardfloat, which debian doesn't. also they make some changes to the default installed software (e.g. non-free firmware for the rpi and some usb wifi devices)
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[2:01] <Macer> chithead: well.. so long as it can run correctly ;) i just need a web server as well as a few other functions that work
[2:01] <Macer> might make it a secondary local dns too
[2:01] <chithead> that should work fine
[2:02] <Macer> my synology ds411j can't handle being used as a web server
[2:02] <Macer> total let down
[2:02] <Macer> not enough ram
[2:02] <Macer> i will need to change the gpu ram split as well to give as much as possible to the pi to use... i won't be needing the gpu at all it will be running headless
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[2:03] <Macer> what's the minimum split? 8MB?
[2:03] <pksato> 16
[2:03] <chithead> then use some web server which is low on resources, such as gatling
[2:03] <Macer> 16? :)
[2:03] <Macer> that seems a bit greedy
[2:04] <poli> hm does ruby on rails work somehow on the Pi?
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[2:06] <Geleia> can anyone help me with this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=30717 ?
[2:06] <Geleia> still no success
[2:06] <Geleia> :<
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[2:08] <Macer> so like.. do i just dd the img to the sd?
[2:08] <Macer> and boot it and it runs the installation?
[2:09] <pksato> Yes. no.
[2:09] <Geleia> it's already installed
[2:09] <Geleia> you just run it
[2:09] <Geleia> and config
[2:09] <pksato> .img is a complete functional instalation.
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[2:09] <Macer> so how does it use the rest of the sd then?
[2:09] <Macer> i figure it would run something at boot in order to use the rest of the sd
[2:09] <Geleia> you'll have to manage partitions
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[2:10] <Geleia> I think raspi-config will do it for you
[2:10] <Macer> hm
[2:10] <Macer> ok... well.. let me dd it then
[2:10] <Geleia> never used raspbian myself
[2:10] <Geleia> just boot tested it :3
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[2:11] <Macer> heh
[2:11] <Macer> well.. i'm writing the sd now
[2:11] <Macer> so hopefully all goes well
[2:11] <Macer> i just hope i have a kb that can run without a powered hub on it
[2:12] <Macer> just until i can get ssh working
[2:12] <poli> kb?
[2:12] <Macer> keyboard
[2:12] <Geleia> keyboard
[2:13] <poli> oh
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[2:13] <Geleia> I've got a wireless mouse and keyboard that runs from a single usb adapter
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[2:13] <Geleia> hope it works on pi
[2:16] <axion> it will with a powered hub
[2:16] <Macer> heh
[2:16] <Caleb> i got lucky
[2:16] <Caleb> well
[2:16] <Caleb> my tv can power my pi
[2:17] <Geleia> axion: raspi doesn't like wireless mouse/keyboards?
[2:17] <Macer> my tv can power my pi as well
[2:17] <Macer> works rather well too with openelec
[2:17] <Macer> but this one is for server use
[2:17] <axion> Geleia: sure it does. but the power consumption may be too much for the usb ports in the pi
[2:17] <Geleia> even with a 2A power supply?
[2:17] <axion> which revision pi?
[2:17] <Geleia> V2
[2:17] <Macer> i think the usb ports max out at 500mA don't they?
[2:18] <Geleia> Macer: not for the Pi
[2:18] <Geleia> I didn't see any fuses
[2:18] <Geleia> just at the power supply for the pi
[2:18] <Geleia> the usbs are unfused
[2:18] <axion> Geleia: i believe the 140mA restriction was removed in rev2. you may have luck
[2:18] <Macer> 140mA??
[2:18] <Geleia> axion: I was going to build a hub anyway :<
[2:18] <Macer> wow that's incredibly low heh
[2:19] <Geleia> btw, how does Pi react to homemade passive hubs?
[2:19] <axion> Macer: no, thats just over 1 unit load
[2:19] <Macer> hm. this img is still writing
[2:19] <Macer> seems to be going for a long time for being just 400MB
[2:19] <Geleia> Macer: USB devices are designed for a max 100mA load
[2:19] <Geleia> but they could use more
[2:19] <Macer> oh
[2:19] * Macer stares at this dd
[2:20] <axion> Geleia: not sure. i use a 4A powered hub to power py pi, kb/mouse receiver, 2 gamepads, wifi stick, thumb drive, 2.5" hdd, and maybe more
[2:20] <Geleia> the img extracts to 1.8GB
[2:20] <Macer> oh
[2:20] <Macer> sure does heh
[2:20] <Macer> i guess that makes a bit more sense now :)
[2:21] <Geleia> I will probably build a case with more USBs and a 3~4A power supply
[2:21] <axion> also worth mentioning it is overclocked to 1ghz, so uses considerably more draw
[2:21] <Geleia> but I was hoping I could build a passive hub
[2:21] <Geleia> not willing to buy an active hub
[2:21] <axion> (my 1A charger wont run the pi by itself...12A will though)
[2:21] <axion> 1.2
[2:21] <poli> Geleia: I managed to have a passive hub working. But there are a ton of powered hubs for R$25 available at mercadolivre.com.br ;)
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[2:22] <Geleia> poli: by passive I mean no circuits
[2:22] <Geleia> it will be powered
[2:22] <Geleia> but no active usb chips
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[2:22] <poli> Just the power?
[2:22] <Geleia> yeah, and the data lines to one of the USB ports of the pi
[2:23] <poli> and the power lines isolatd?
[2:23] <axion> if you buy those 7-port squid hub wires on amazon for like $1.99, you can apply power to them. quite tiny
[2:23] <Geleia> ground connected
[2:23] <Geleia> but 5V isolated
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[2:24] <Geleia> axion: half of the fun is building the things I use myself :3
[2:24] <Geleia> sadly I can't build a raspi myself
[2:24] <Geleia> lol
[2:24] <poli> Geleia: IIRC USB data lines are differential and I don't think they really matter much, I would check the USB specs.
[2:25] <Geleia> poli: yes, they are
[2:25] <Geleia> but a single usb controller should be able to drive up to 127 devices
[2:25] <Geleia> that means you could use usb hubs just by connecting the data lines to 127 devices
[2:25] <poli> Geleia: each with its individual bus, IIRC
[2:25] <Geleia> everything on a single usb port
[2:26] <Geleia> the data transfers would be incredible slow though
[2:26] <Geleia> :<
[2:26] <poli> Geleia: Don't think so. I think a hub can address 127 but not stack more than 1 Master/1 slave in a single bus.
[2:26] <poli> But yet it has been 10 years since I read the specs.
[2:27] <poli> But do check it.
[2:27] <Geleia> I
[2:27] <Geleia> I'll just try it on a breadboard
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[2:30] <Daemonz> does anybody has ever recompiled a kernel of their rasspberry ?
[2:31] <pksato> a passive (fake) usb hub http://www.flickr.com/photos/drug123/5127906425/
[2:31] <poli> Daemonz xenomai patched kernel once
[2:32] <Daemonz> did you have any problem doing it ?
[2:32] <poli> cross compiled. the cross tools gave me a little head ache to get going, but basically it.
[2:34] <Daemonz> I have recompiled kernels back then I was 18 and I was running slackware 7.0 lol
[2:34] <Daemonz> I have been told that maybe my rtl8187 drivers weren't up to date that's why it woouldn't support hostapd
[2:36] <poli> Daemonz you want to compile a newer version of the kernel that ships with the OS?
[2:37] <Daemonz> I think it would be an interesting idea, wouldn't be ?
[2:38] <poli> might work, but remember that you need to recompile all the modules and preferably have a .config from the original OS kernel
[2:39] <Daemonz> sounds a bit tricky
[2:39] <poli> but then a newer version of the kernel doesn't necessarily mean a newer version of your driver
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[2:39] <poli> check the source of the version you have and the newer one for the driver file,a nd check the codes in them
[2:39] <Daemonz> recompiling a kernel on a raspi will be a very long journey
[2:40] <Daemonz> and kinda risky using ssh lol
[2:40] <poli> Daemonz cross compile it in your PC
[2:40] <poli> save to the SD card
[2:40] <Daemonz> hummm cross compile
[2:41] <Daemonz> never do that
[2:41] <poli> there is a tutorial somewhere, just search for it
[2:41] <Daemonz> I think it is too laborious for tonight
[2:41] <Daemonz> gotta study :(
[2:41] <pksato> how long take to compile kernel on RPi? One week? :)
[2:42] <Geleia> seems I won't get Gentoo booting on my Raspi for a while
[2:42] <poli> gentoo is all-compile
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[2:42] <poli> you know something the raspi isn't particularly good at? compiling.
[2:43] <Geleia> it hangs on boot
[2:43] <Geleia> but you can cross compile
[2:43] <poli> emerge everything elsewhere everytime you need a new software?
[2:43] <Geleia> also, 23MB base memory
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[2:44] <poli> The only chance I won't run raspbian is if I need debian to boot the xenomai kernel. :)
[2:44] <Geleia> poli: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Quick_Install_Guide#Cross_building
[2:45] <pronto> ...and how i'm just watching CollegeHumor videos via my raspberry pi and xbmc...
[2:46] <poli> Geleia: like I said. :)
[2:46] <poli> Geleia: I never really saw much good in emerge or pkgsrc or source-driven package managers, as I really never needed to tweek with compiler options or such.
[2:47] <poli> (except for my own code)
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[2:47] <Geleia> wish I had a HDMI cable
[2:48] <Geleia> I can only use my raspi through serial console/SSH right now
[2:49] <techkid6> I only can too
[2:49] <pronto> Geleia: check out monoprice.com
[2:49] <techkid6> (chatting with it now)
[2:49] <pronto> using a hdmi to dvi
[2:50] <Geleia> pronto: I'll buy a HDMI cable tomorrow
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[2:50] <Geleia> I just wish I had one right now
[2:50] <Geleia> :<
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[2:50] <Geleia> btw, PSP power supply looks good for a raspi
[2:50] <Geleia> 5V 2A
[2:50] <poli> Geleia: if you live close to Av Paulista I can lend you one ;)
[2:50] <Geleia> will just need to modify the connector
[2:50] <pronto> i'm powering it off my cellphone charger
[2:50] <Geleia> I'm at S??o Paulo right now
[2:51] <Geleia> but I'm going to S??o Carlos Friday
[2:51] <Geleia> and I'll need one there anyway :3
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[3:03] <Primer> How do most people control their rpis when running xbmc?
[3:03] <Caleb> i have a keyboard
[3:03] <Caleb> thats an airmouse
[3:03] <Primer> I used to run xbmc on a real xbox back in the day, I used an IR remote
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[3:03] <Primer> it was terrible though, very unstable
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[3:14] <axion> telepathy
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[3:19] <JokesOnYou77> Does anyone know if the netfilx for linux app (special firefox window with WINE) works with any of the linux distros on the Pi?
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[3:20] <asaru> dont think wine works on the pi
[3:22] <axion> even if it did the video would not be buffered by the gpu
[3:23] <axion> and would be totally unwatchable
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[3:26] <JokesOnYou77> WHy wouldn't it get gpu buffering?
[3:26] <axion> because video has to pass through openmax
[3:27] <axion> at least to be displayed in time to be watchable with a decent resolution
[3:27] <factor> Wonder why rasp cant do browsers very well , like html 5
[3:27] <JokesOnYou77> openmax? I'm a bit of a Pi noob, srry
[3:27] <axion> JokesOnYou77: the only hardware video players are xbmc or omxplayer
[3:27] <factor> mysql apache2 php seems to work and office do
[3:28] <factor> will be using it as a presentation device.
[3:28] <JokesOnYou77> axion, b/c they support hardware decoding/encoding?
[3:28] <axion> right
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[3:30] <JokesOnYou77> So you'd have to get a browser or it's plugin, (firefox in this case) to access gpu functions? And that's not really doable because there's not full documentation for the gpu features and drivers for the Pi if I remember correctly
[3:30] <axion> JokesOnYou77: there is no video acceleration under Xorg. window dragging will be jerky even.
[3:31] <JokesOnYou77> oh, wow, I completely forgot about that :P
[3:31] <axion> xbmc and omxplayer run outside of X on their own, using special libraries that interface with the hardware
[3:31] <JokesOnYou77> now I just feel silly
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[3:31] <JokesOnYou77> I didn't realize they didn't run on X
[3:31] <pksato> even xbmc is slow to draw user interface.
[3:32] <axion> not at all
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[3:32] <axion> if the interface is decoded to bcm2835 images, which can take a while
[3:33] <JokesOnYou77> Is there a way to get netflix on the Pi as of yet?
[3:33] <axion> xbmc is very quick if given the chance to decode all of its image cache
[3:33] <axion> no
[3:33] <pksato> JokesOnYou77: ask to netflix. :)
[3:33] <JokesOnYou77> :(
[3:33] <axion> there is no linux support at all
[3:33] <JokesOnYou77> I've signed the petition
[3:33] <JokesOnYou77> I know, it's why I was so excited about the new app. I love my *nix box
[3:34] <axion> i dropped netflix years go due to the fact
[3:34] <axion> ago*
[3:35] <JokesOnYou77> Anyone know where I can find out about the status of the android build for the Pi?
[3:35] <pksato> ask broadcom. :)
[3:36] <Geleia> axion: omxplayers needs no X?
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[3:36] <axion> the android port does not support hw acceleration yet either
[3:38] <JokesOnYou77> bummer :(
[3:38] <axion> Geleia: yeah. it may need a couple libraries. but no running X.
[3:39] <JokesOnYou77> Why is hw acceleration taking so long? Not that I'm complaining, just curious
[3:39] <axion> it needs ffmpeg pcre rtmpdump fbset ffmpeg-compat freetype2 to be built
[3:39] <Geleia> axion: I see
[3:39] <axion> JokesOnYou77: because broadcom driver is crap and nobody has been able to
[3:39] <Geleia> nice :3
[3:39] <Geleia> did they choose broadcom chips because of the price?
[3:40] <Geleia> seems an horrible choice for an open project
[3:40] <Geleia> a horrible*
[3:40] <axion> indeed
[3:40] <JokesOnYou77> ahhhh! That's what I was remembering about the lack of full documentation for the gpu
[3:41] <JokesOnYou77> I'm just guessing here, but you're probably right about it being for the price
[3:41] <axion> and also Broadcom is a leader in Soc's
[3:41] <dniMretsaM> good evening, everybody
[3:41] <axion> SoC's
[3:41] <JokesOnYou77> howdy dniMretsaM
[3:42] <pksato> See for this perspective, RPi is a refence board of one of broadcom SoC.
[3:44] <JokesOnYou77> axion, check it out: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1700 :)
[3:45] <Geleia> pksato: but they could at least make the datasheet open for they "reference board"
[3:46] <pksato> Sign a NDA and get all doc.
[3:46] <factor> Why is HTML5 not working so well , while android arm linux works fine
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[3:46] <factor> anyone done testing for this
[3:47] <savagecroc> hey.. is it possible to manufacturer your own boards?
[3:47] <axion> JokesOnYou77: cool didnt see android 4 on the pi yet...missed that.
[3:47] <savagecroc> i.e. are the designs free to use?
[3:47] <axion> but...android on a device without a touchscreen...practical?
[3:47] <IT_Sean> savagecroc: you cannot get the SOC anyway.
[3:47] <dniMretsaM> savagecroc: I doubt you could get hold of the SoC
[3:48] <savagecroc> From broadcom.. they don't sell them?
[3:48] <pksato> Who is Eben? The answer, answer why broadcom?
[3:48] <savagecroc> I didn't think the SoC was special to the pi
[3:48] <IT_Sean> Not to individuals
[3:49] <JokesOnYou77> yeah, unfortunately it looks like it's being developed by Broadcom (weird huh?) and they haven't released it yet
[3:49] <savagecroc> IT_Sean: we'd buy at least 1000
[3:49] <IT_Sean> The SoC is not available to you, unless you are a licensed manufacturer willing ot by them by the thousands
[3:49] <savagecroc> oh, our component manufacturer presumably purchases them by large amounts
[3:49] <pksato> I go to sleep.
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[3:49] <IT_Sean> DO you have the equipment to do BGA work?
[3:49] <savagecroc> usually we only have to commit to an order of 250 for anything we currently make
[3:50] <savagecroc> IT_Sean: yeah, we have a company that does the hardware research side of things
[3:50] <savagecroc> at the moment we manufacturer irrigation controllers
[3:50] <savagecroc> they do the hardware, we do the firmware and server software
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[3:51] <savagecroc> the irrigation controller has a very low powered SoC, couple of relays, a bunch of optic-coupled pulse inputs and some analog inputs
[3:52] <savagecroc> actually can i explain what we are trying to achieve!
[3:52] <savagecroc> :)
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[3:55] <pkx> hi, I just got my little rasp pi, and would like to use it w/ plan 9, but don't have monitor or keyboard ...
[3:55] <pkx> can I ssh / telnet in ?
[3:55] <pkx> or, whats a nice distro do to that w/ ?
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[3:56] <pkx> I've got plan 9 booting fine and getting dhcp, since I see the lease on my router, but I have no other servers up and can't connect ...
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[3:57] <pkx> there seem to be some incantations I could put in, if I were at a console, but, technically, I'm not.
[3:57] <pkx> ...
[3:57] <savagecroc> ok so i'm in central china, and the quality of education in the regional areas is no where near as good as the city areas. With educational software we can vastly improve the standard of education and monitor the progress of the students. The problem however is not the internet connectivity or the software.. it's the cost of the hardware. The average wage of a teacher is 1000Y per month ($153) and they typically have to look afte
[3:57] <savagecroc> r 40 students per class. (sometimes upto 70). We need to build reliable, very low cost devices that can run linux, have ethernet and have a screen and a keyboard (cheap touch screens don't' work and aren't worth it at the moment.
[3:57] <savagecroc> We're trying to work out what the lowest cost we can get for screen/keyboard/pi(or other board)/powersupply if we purchase in groups of 1k - 5k.
[3:57] <savagecroc> We can start of and buy enough for 1 class (for a year) per school and/or use government grants to purchase the equipment. In conjunction with this we hope to take charity donations to help fund the effort.
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[4:01] <Primer> savagecroc: interesting. Seems the pi is perfect for that
[4:03] <savagecroc> you can see why we can't afford to spend $230 on a laptop
[4:03] <pkx> anyone about plan 9 ?
[4:06] <savagecroc> This maybe a stupid question
[4:06] <savagecroc> but is it possible to add chips to the rasberry-pi board
[4:06] <savagecroc> specifically wi-fi and TPM?
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[4:06] <pkx> savage, could you do usb wifi ?
[4:08] <pkx> also, looks like some sort of expansion at p2 and p3 ...
[4:09] <pkx> p5 ...
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[4:12] <savagecroc> pkx: could do
[4:12] <savagecroc> is that cheaper?
[4:12] <savagecroc> http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.10.66.UWaLoD&id=10341107189 << wow
[4:13] <savagecroc> 25 USD
[4:13] <savagecroc> although 2.5" screen is a bit too small
[4:13] <savagecroc> 64kb ram..
[4:13] <savagecroc> haha
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[4:16] <pkx> s, I guess its all a question of what is "cheap" ... but, I bet just putting in usb modules is going to be simpler than soldering in ...
[4:16] <pkx> perhaps you are good w/ that sort of thing ...
[4:16] <savagecroc> oh.. i dont' actually do any of the hardware stuff (apart from playing)
[4:17] <savagecroc> but we do have really good hardware guys
[4:17] <savagecroc> i do management (and software :) )
[4:17] <savagecroc> i found a 7" tft for $13 USD
[4:17] <pkx> what do you want to do w/ tpm ?
[4:17] <savagecroc> pkx: encrypt the entire thing
[4:17] <pkx> what sort of input?
[4:17] <pkx> encrypt what ?
[4:17] <savagecroc> keyboard
[4:17] <savagecroc> the OS
[4:18] <pkx> no, tft ?
[4:18] <savagecroc> if we can make them tamper-proof we can use them for tests/examinations
[4:18] <pkx> tamper proof ?
[4:18] <savagecroc> http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.10.190.1YLGfc&id=13182594170
[4:18] <savagecroc> pkx: we can't have students bringing modified versions
[4:18] <savagecroc> of the boards running their own software
[4:19] <rubiconjosh> I wrote a program in C++ using Qt that listens too a TCP port, I just wrote a basic Python program that auto runs on my raspberry pi so that when it boots up it connects to my server program over the network, now I am going to add modules to both the client and the server program to handle things like a webcam and motor controllers. Anyone else working on something similar?
[4:19] <pkx> wo bu neng kan chong wen !
[4:19] <savagecroc> ??????????????????
[4:19] <savagecroc> hahah, neither do i really :)
[4:19] <savagecroc> but enough to get around
[4:20] <pkx> ...
[4:20] <savagecroc> i can speak a lot more than i can read
[4:21] <pkx> sounds like too much survelliance, savage ... and locking and so forth ...
[4:21] <savagecroc> you've not lived here
[4:21] <savagecroc> cheating is endemic
[4:21] <pkx> oh, I have ... but, what do you do when you catch them ?
[4:21] <pkx> have you ever caught anyone ?
[4:21] <savagecroc> oh yeah
[4:21] <savagecroc> soo they got the exams
[4:21] <pkx> I mean, it must suck, but, when you catch them, what do you do
[4:21] <pkx> ?
[4:21] <savagecroc> of the staff printer
[4:22] <savagecroc> basically the printer works via tcp
[4:22] <Opinie> savagecroc: so you're a teacher/professor?
[4:22] <savagecroc> ftp so they wrote a program to grab the postcript files
[4:22] <savagecroc> the second they turned up
[4:22] <savagecroc> and got copies of all the exams
[4:22] <savagecroc> and then sold them
[4:22] <savagecroc> if one of the students hadn't spilled, they would have gotten away with it
[4:23] <pkx> so, you made a new exam ?
[4:23] <savagecroc> pkx: they failed all their exams for that semester, and got a warning that they would be precluded from all universities
[4:23] <savagecroc> on a similar repeat offence
[4:23] <savagecroc> Opinie: no, I own a software company that makes education software
[4:24] <Opinie> savagecroc: damn that's the harshest punishment I've ever heard of..
[4:24] <savagecroc> for cheating?
[4:24] <savagecroc> your kidding right
[4:24] <Opinie> yeah
[4:24] <savagecroc> that's soft
[4:24] <savagecroc> i was surprised they didn't get expelled
[4:24] <Opinie> are you from the US?
[4:25] <savagecroc> nah, from Aus
[4:25] <savagecroc> there was this student in china
[4:25] <savagecroc> who was going over every page
[4:25] <savagecroc> with an eraser
[4:25] <savagecroc> teachers thought it was suspect
[4:25] <rubiconjosh> My school would expel you for cheating especially trying to sell exams
[4:25] <savagecroc> so they took the eraser
[4:25] <savagecroc> and it had some camera/scanning thing
[4:25] <savagecroc> he had a transmitter in his pocket
[4:26] <savagecroc> and an earpiece.. and 5 teachers
[4:26] <savagecroc> helping him answer the questions
[4:26] <Opinie> lol
[4:26] <savagecroc> true story.. guy was trying to get into peking uni
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[4:26] <Opinie> dude must have had much resources to through around
[4:27] <Opinie> *throw
[4:27] <savagecroc> yeah dad was rich
[4:27] <savagecroc> cheating needs to be so heavily discouraged
[4:28] <savagecroc> it's awful.. it lowers the quality of the education and makes university degrees meaningless
[4:28] <savagecroc> if it's widespread that is
[4:28] <savagecroc> it's good to make it impossible, then the students have to resort to study
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[4:31] <Opinie> over here in Finland, if caught cheating in leaving examinations, you fail all the exams you've taken that fall/spring.. (you can spread your exams over a longer period of time, for example, spring, winter, spring etc.)
[4:31] <savagecroc> Opinie: that's how it should be :)
[4:31] <Opinie> compared to that the punishment you mentioned sounds draconian
[4:31] <savagecroc> they jsut failed their exams too?
[4:31] <savagecroc> it's only if they get court twice
[4:31] <savagecroc> caught*
[4:32] <savagecroc> do the face explusion from all uni's for 2 years
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[4:32] <Opinie> oh, k
[4:32] <savagecroc> hmm cheapest keyboard i can find is 28Y
[4:32] <savagecroc> ohh
[4:32] <savagecroc> $4:31
[4:32] <savagecroc> $4.31 probably not that bad
[4:33] <Opinie> savagecroc: you can always just use synergy for free..
[4:33] <savagecroc> haha this is for the rasberry pi's
[4:33] <Opinie> synergy runs on them fine
[4:34] <savagecroc> each student needs their own
[4:34] <Opinie> oh yeah right
[4:34] <savagecroc> so we're looking at $4.30 for keyboard $13 for 9" display, $35 for the pi, ? for the powersupply ? for the casing
[4:34] <savagecroc> mouse.. i'll make optional
[4:35] <savagecroc> 52.30 + ? + delivery
[4:35] <Opinie> libreoffice writer runs fine on RPi
[4:35] <savagecroc> but i'm assuming delivery will be almost nothing per unit
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[4:35] <savagecroc> Opinie: that's excellent :)
[4:36] <savagecroc> what about a web-browser?
[4:36] <savagecroc> like chromium
[4:36] <savagecroc> single0tab
[4:36] <savagecroc> single-tab
[4:36] <Opinie> savagecroc: chromium is a little heavy, but renders everything correctly for sure
[4:36] <Opinie> midori is lighter
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[4:36] <savagecroc> :*(... does midori do web-sockets?
[4:36] <Opinie> and also renders everything correctly
[4:37] <Opinie> savagecroc: I'm a noob so I'm not sure what you mean
[4:37] <savagecroc> ohhh yes it does!
[4:37] <savagecroc> http://www.greenhughes.com/content/arch-linux-and-desktop-adventures-raspberry-pi
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[4:37] <Opinie> and for the record, I'm using the earlier version of the Pi; chromium does run quite a bit better on the newer versions
[4:37] <savagecroc> right..
[4:38] <savagecroc> web sockets allow you to stream data
[4:38] <savagecroc> so lets say i'm managing 60 students
[4:38] <savagecroc> i can instantly get updates on whether they are working
[4:38] <Opinie> ah, ok
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[4:39] <savagecroc> Opinie: hmm have you got it now?
[4:39] <savagecroc> your pi?
[4:40] <Opinie> yeah, I'm sending these messages from it
[4:40] <savagecroc> if so can you tell me what your browswer gets for http://html5test.com/
[4:40] <Opinie> sure
[4:40] <Opinie> both chromium and midori?
[4:40] <savagecroc> web applications / communication
[4:40] <savagecroc> and storage
[4:40] <savagecroc> yeah love to find out :D
[4:41] <savagecroc> oh and audio
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[4:42] <Opinie> is there some way to share you the results I got?
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[4:43] <savagecroc> i can't see anywhere :/
[4:43] <pronto> then you need glasses
[4:43] <savagecroc> haha screen shot?
[4:43] <savagecroc> oh file save as pdf?
[4:44] <savagecroc> file -> print -> pdf
[4:44] <savagecroc> i eman
[4:44] <Opinie> savagecroc: yeah pdf works
[4:44] <savagecroc> ohh nice
[4:45] <savagecroc> love to see the results
[4:45] <savagecroc> i have to goto lunch
[4:45] <savagecroc> brb
[4:52] <Geleia> :#
[4:52] <Geleia> :3
[4:53] <Geleia> can I use the HDMI output with the analog audio?
[4:54] <axion> yes but analog audio quality is lacking
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[5:06] <Geleia> I see
[5:06] <Geleia> thanks
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[5:26] <pronto> http://tasty.bagels.xxx:8080/ << running off raspberry pi lol
[5:26] <TAFB> I love your .xxx :) I got http://tafb.xxx :)
[5:27] <pronto> nice
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[5:27] <TAFB> running apache? yuk ;)
[5:27] <pronto> :D
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[5:27] <TAFB> hehe
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[5:28] <TAFB> if you can switch to nginx the performance with PHP is WAY better (nginx + php-fpm) :)
[5:28] <TAFB> what do you plan on hosting on it? I hope not wordpress or drupal ;)
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[5:28] <pronto> xD
[5:28] <pronto> just playing around with it
[5:28] <pronto> just got it today
[5:28] <TAFB> good stuff :)
[5:28] <TAFB> wow, you're fast! previous linux experience?
[5:28] <pronto> linux sysadmin
[5:28] <TAFB> haha
[5:29] <TAFB> I had never used linux before, took me a lil longer ;)
[5:29] <pronto> ah, nice
[5:29] <TAFB> my Pi powered camera, let me know what you think :)
[5:29] <TAFB> http://tafb02.click2stream.com/
[5:29] <pronto> you have a pool table in your house?
[5:29] <pronto> hahaa, was that you
[5:30] <TAFB> yep, and it has a ping pong table that goes on top too :)
[5:30] <pronto> niiice
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[5:30] <TAFB> yeah, I could see you connect into the camera, so I waved ;)
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[5:33] <pronto> i should of gotten two raspberry pis :(
[5:33] <pronto> one didnt show up
[5:34] <TAFB> that sucks! :( which supplier did you order from?
[5:34] <pronto> mcm electronics
[5:34] <pronto> i emailed them about it
[5:34] <pronto> tomorrow i'll call
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[5:34] <savagecroc> Opinie: back
[5:34] <savagecroc> still around?
[5:35] <XpineX> TAFB: what sw are you using for the webcam? I have been playing around with motion, but quality is very poor
[5:35] <TAFB> XpineX: I have not got solution to record it yet :( I agree, motion was very poor. Maxed out CPU, slow frame rate and poor image quality :(
[5:36] <TAFB> XpineX: I'm streaming that camera live with CRTMPSERVER (it is IP camera)
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[5:37] <XpineX> TAFB: Thanks, I will give that a go
[5:37] <pronto> http://tasty.bagels.xxx:8080/stats/ diffenrt info thing
[5:37] <TAFB> XpineX: were you running motion, to capture pictures/video when there was motion on the camera?
[5:38] <TAFB> pronto: The Pi source code for my status page is available at the bottom of http://tafb.yi.org if you want a really funky status page :)
[5:38] <pronto> lol nice
[5:38] <XpineX> TAFB: Nah, just want to use it for streaming (nanny cam)
[5:39] <TAFB> XpineX: ahh. Which camera are you using?
[5:40] <XpineX> TAFB: So far I am playing around with a very old and very cheap Labtech USB camera
[5:41] <TAFB> XpineX: I see :) If you want a REALLY good quality camera, this one works AMAZING for streaming over the web (works with the free click2stream service you just saw): http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-Original-Wanscam-Wireless-Outdoor-use-Waterproof-Security-System-Wifi-Network-IR-NightVision-IP-Camera/449395708.html
[5:42] <TAFB> Only $63 including (slow) shipping :) It's wireless and wired, 0.3 megapixel (640x480@15fps) :)
[5:42] <savagecroc> $63 sounds expensive
[5:43] <XpineX> Well, one of the reasons for using the rPi was that I did not want to spend "a lot of" money on an IP camera
[5:43] <savagecroc> XpineX: i'm really interested in the same thing
[5:43] <TAFB> for an IP camera with progressive scan sensor, you will not find cheaper price ;)
[5:43] <savagecroc> do you want to do the video processing on the PI itself?
[5:43] <savagecroc> TAFB: you're on!
[5:43] <savagecroc> :)
[5:44] <TAFB> XpineX: Ahh, I see. Most USB cameras suck. If you find one with HARDWARE h264 encoder, then it will be pretty good. They are in the $30 range.
[5:44] <savagecroc> yeah
[5:44] <rubiconjosh> I have not started yet, but I plan on having a USB webcam connected to my Pi, send the video over my network and my desktop will use opencv to determine steering commands to my Pi
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[5:47] <savagecroc> TAFB: how does this one compare ?
[5:47] <savagecroc> http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.10.10.2qJa0r&id=8496217026
[5:48] <savagecroc> http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.10.19.2qJa0r&id=18649444765 ($40 US)
[5:48] <TAFB> specifications are not in english? lol
[5:48] <savagecroc> google translate will do it for you
[5:49] <dniMretsaM> that's not exactly the most reliable method
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[5:49] <savagecroc> dniMretsaM: for simplified chinese it's fine
[5:49] <savagecroc> and the more technical the document the better
[5:49] <TAFB> 2nd link looks like good camera, wonder the shipping charge? :)
[5:49] <savagecroc> 25Y
[5:49] <TAFB> I'ma run it through google translate and see what it says :)
[5:49] <dniMretsaM> yeah, true
[5:50] <savagecroc> dniMretsaM: we translated a 300 page tech document into english
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[5:50] <savagecroc> with google translate.. then getting people to go through it
[5:50] <savagecroc> and fix it up
[5:50] <savagecroc> and we only had to ask about 20 or so questions
[5:50] <savagecroc> i.e. what exactly does this mean
[5:51] <savagecroc> and most of the time it's because the chinese wasn't good enough to begin with :)
[5:51] <savagecroc> ah also that price
[5:51] <TAFB> google translate doesn't change any of the text :(
[5:53] <savagecroc> $40.. you can probably get them down to $35 - $30
[5:53] <savagecroc> TAFB: hmm
[5:53] <savagecroc> TAFB: http://dpaste.com/889707/
[5:54] <TAFB> what is currency on that page? I tried Yen, but gave me funny number in CDN currency.
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[5:54] <savagecroc> in google
[5:54] <savagecroc> 100 RMB IN USD
[5:55] <TAFB> so from the specs, looks like MJPEG only, no h264 right?
[5:56] <savagecroc> hmmm
[5:56] <savagecroc> yeah no idea why
[5:56] <savagecroc> h.264 encoding chips are cheap
[5:57] <TAFB> I've seen some cheap cameras come without h264 encode. No problem for click2stream.com, they can do mjpeg, but requires lots of bandwidth :(
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[5:57] <savagecroc> what quality is 640*480 like
[5:57] <savagecroc> i went to the security dept in our building complex
[5:57] <savagecroc> and their cameras were s**T
[5:57] <savagecroc> as in couldn't even read number plates
[5:58] <TAFB> on a progressive scan CMOS it is very good, on analog CCD it looks like garbage.
[5:58] <savagecroc> they had this huge room.. with about 80 screens on it
[5:58] <savagecroc> but the quality of the feeds
[5:58] <savagecroc> :/
[5:59] <TAFB> http://tafb02.click2stream.com is 720p with 2.8mm lens (that stream is running at 1mbps due to my crappy internet connection, but camera is capable of 4mbps)
[5:59] <savagecroc> what camera is it?
[5:59] <TAFB> My internet connection :( http://www.speedtest.net/result/2429595216.png
[6:00] <TAFB> That camera is: http://www.kl-security.com/products/network_cameras/720P-WDR-HD-Camera/86.html
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[6:01] <savagecroc> that looks excellent
[6:01] <TAFB> my internet speed? or the camera?
[6:01] <savagecroc> the quality
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[6:01] <TAFB> of the live stream? Yes, it's very very nice. I'll walk in front of camera so you can see the frame rate.
[6:02] <savagecroc> yeah thats not to bad!~
[6:02] <savagecroc> too bad
[6:02] <savagecroc> if we had this on a 100mb network
[6:02] <savagecroc> the speed would be awesome right?
[6:03] <TAFB> my upload bandwidth is only 1mbps upload, so if you had faster upload it would look better :)
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[6:03] <TAFB> (if you were streaming the camera)
[6:03] <savagecroc> interesting.. i would like to hook up every classroom in a school
[6:03] <savagecroc> and every corridor
[6:03] <savagecroc> then keep it all
[6:04] <TAFB> I just put 5 of those cameras in a child daycare, and they sell the password to parents for $5/week, they are blown away by the quality :)
[6:04] <TAFB> works REALLY great on mobile device like iPhone, android, etc.
[6:04] <savagecroc> where are the cameras from?
[6:04] <TAFB> they have Samsung Note 2, OMG the quality
[6:04] <Macer> pistore?
[6:04] <rubiconjosh> TAFB, is that an accepted thing? It sounds weird to me to sell parents access to monitor video of a daycare.
[6:05] <Macer> when i boot my pi with raspbian it went straight to a console.. didn't even try to start lxde
[6:05] <savagecroc> rubiconjosh: do you want fries with that?
[6:05] <Macer> which was awesome
[6:05] <Macer> :)
[6:05] <TAFB> rubiconjosh: the public is not allowed to view, but parents of children that attend day care can watch, to make sure their kid is being treated good.
[6:05] <rubiconjosh> savagecroc, I do not understand your comment
[6:05] <Opinie> savagecroc: did you receive the email?
[6:05] <savagecroc> rubiconjosh: it's an add-on-service
[6:05] <savagecroc> Opinie: oh let me check :)
[6:06] <rubiconjosh> TAFB, I understand the reasoning behind it, it just sounds like something I would read people complaining about in the newspaper where I am at
[6:06] <TAFB> rubiconjosh: I see. There was a case here where a daycare locked up a bad behaving kid in the closet all day, so I guess parents here would rather watch :)
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[6:08] <Macer> so if i did an apt-get upgrade in raspbian will everything still work? :)
[6:08] <rubiconjosh> TAFB, I understand some parents would want to watch, the part that seems odd to me is a parent purchasing the password could give it to someone else. Like what if they did this in elementary or high schools? I could see an outrage that peoples kids could be watched by other parents all day, or if a password is given out by anyone.
[6:08] <Macer> heh
[6:08] <savagecroc> TAFB: at the school do you record the feeds?
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[6:08] <TAFB> savagecroc: yes. Using VLC player to record the streams, chops into 1hr segments, saves 1 week worth of video :)
[6:09] <savagecroc> genious
[6:09] <savagecroc> Opinie: yes! got them reading at the moment
[6:09] <rubiconjosh> TAFB, Does every parent sign a waiver saying that their child and their comings and goings are being recorded and are viewable by other parents that pay for the service?
[6:09] <Opinie> savagecroc: k, good :)
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[6:10] <savagecroc> Opinie: midori does everything!
[6:10] <TAFB> rubiconjosh: yep :) it was hard at first, because they were worried about pedofile watching the stream, etc. but when you pay you get your own password and it logs your ip address and device, and your password changes every week, so it's pretty secure.
[6:10] <savagecroc> oh except for indexeddb :(
[6:10] <rubiconjosh> TAFB, interesting... thanks for the information
[6:11] <savagecroc> TAFB: how much data is a days worth of data at 720p?
[6:11] <savagecroc> for 1 camera
[6:11] <TAFB> rubiconjosh: no problem, I understand your questions, lots of parents here had the same thing. But put it this way, if YOUR kid is in there, you're not going to be giving password out to weird people ;)
[6:11] <TAFB> savagecroc: It was surprisingly small! (no audio). 1 sec I'll check the file size :)
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[6:12] <Triffid_Hunter> TAFB: yet on the other hand, there's still a surprising amount of people who can't keep their netbank details safe..
[6:13] <TAFB> lol :)
[6:13] <Triffid_Hunter> if they can't keep their bank details safe, how are they gonna secure access to school surveillance?
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[6:14] <TAFB> savagecroc: it's about 10gb per camera per day :)
[6:14] <savagecroc> woah
[6:14] <savagecroc> thats huge :)
[6:14] <savagecroc> can you chop out empty bits
[6:15] <savagecroc> or does that not matter
[6:15] <savagecroc> because the video compression does that?
[6:15] <savagecroc> and thats storing in h264?
[6:15] <TAFB> lol :) I thought it was going to be way more, I put in 2TB hard drive for 1 week of video :)
[6:15] <savagecroc> so if i had 80 camerasw
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[6:15] <TAFB> savagecroc: the camera is in CBR mode (not VBR), so the stream is always exactly 1mbps regardless of content, so the compression is not very good.
[6:15] <savagecroc> cameras
[6:15] <piney0> TAFB, what framerate is that?
[6:16] <TAFB> 30fps@1mbps
[6:16] <savagecroc> TAFB: ok so probably could get a better compression then
[6:16] <TAFB> er, actually, might be 25fps, can't remember on those specific cameras, they are either 25 or 30 :)
[6:16] <savagecroc> i was expecting about 4gb per day (since most of the day not much happens)
[6:16] <piney0> up there either way. you didn't reduce it to save space
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[6:17] <TAFB> space was of no worry :) they want to watch smooth on mobile device or over the web, so I couldn't record at less FPS.
[6:17] <savagecroc> 800gb per day.. need 6 hdd's for 2 weeks
[6:17] <savagecroc> I don't see the point of security footage unless it's smooth
[6:17] <piney0> smooth on mobile device or over the web if you figure that out, a lot of people want to know :)
[6:18] <TAFB> piney0: fire up http://tafb02.click2stream.com on your mobile device ;) let me know when it's loaded and I'll run around and you can see smooth ;)
[6:18] <savagecroc> smooth and high quality.. otherwise it's too hard to work out what's going on.. and you can't even do facial recog on most stuff
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[6:19] <piney0> i get your point, but it wouldn't be smoothe on my mobile cause of service
[6:19] <TAFB> savagecroc: for license plate recognition I use crazy 5mp camera at only 7FPS and it's freaking amazing, you can read license plate from all the way across parking lot! :)
[6:19] <dr_willis> anyone happen to know if the mounting holes on the Revb pi can be enlarged just a bit? they seem to be just under 1/8th of an inch. ;) making a case for one right now.
[6:19] <savagecroc> TAFB: yeah!
[6:19] <savagecroc> awesome
[6:20] <savagecroc> is there open source number plate recongition software?
[6:20] <savagecroc> it would be nice to know
[6:20] <savagecroc> every plate that comes in and out of the school carpark
[6:20] <piney0> license plates are the hardest to catch. megapixel cameras sure have helped make it easier
[6:20] <TAFB> savagecroc: I use software called J-surveilance (sp? lol), it does license plate capture, counts cars coming in and out, etc.
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[6:21] <brady2600> hey guys
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[6:22] <TAFB> hey brady2600 :)
[6:22] <TAFB> I use this camera for 5mp license plates: http://www.kl-security.com/products/network_cameras/1080P-HD-Camera/79.html
[6:22] <brady2600> if i am creating a web application , that data logs into sql
[6:22] <brady2600> its for enviromental control of hydroponic grows
[6:22] <TAFB> cost is only $175ish shipped :)
[6:23] <brady2600> im creating a "manage grows" tab in the application now
[6:23] <brady2600> and im uncertain if i should have each new grow created, to create a new table, or a whole new database
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[6:24] <brady2600> each grow would store settings, images, data log devises, etc.
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[6:25] <brady2600> or should i create a table for each grow, and its associated devises, and then have other tables for each devise and all their logged data?
[6:25] <TAFB> might be a question for the #sql peeps :)
[6:28] <brady2600> someone over in #codeigniter said i should handle it with multiple tables, not multiple db
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[6:30] <TAFB> user xrosnight is also in central china :)
[6:30] <TAFB> whops, wrong window
[6:32] <Datalink> anyone here familiar with CUPS?
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[6:35] <daaku> anyone seen a kernel not boot with a "unable to open rtc device (rtc0)" error? (i'm setting up a new archlinuxarm image)
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[6:35] <Geleia> daaku: is the real time clock enable? raspi has no real time clock
[6:36] <Geleia> enabled*
[6:36] <daaku> Geleia: i'm using the raspberrypi kernel from the archlinuxarm repos, so i'm not sure
[6:37] <Triffid_Hunter> daaku: I wouldn't expect that to be fatal.. as Geleia points out, the RPi doesn't have an RTC
[6:37] <daaku> i see, there's no output after that, so i just assumed it was the problem. maybe there's some other issue
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[6:38] <Geleia> daaku: is the boot hanging after that?
[6:39] <daaku> yep
[6:39] <Geleia> try solving it
[6:39] <Geleia> if the boot still hangs
[6:39] <Geleia> seems you have the same problem as me
[6:39] <Geleia> my raspi stops booting after loading usb devices
[6:39] <Datalink> I'm trying to figure out how to log into cups on my pi
[6:40] <Geleia> without errors
[6:40] <daaku> i have the september image with some older firmware/kernel working, it's just this new image i'm setting up that wont boot
[6:40] <ParkerR> Datalink: http://hplipopensource.com/node/231
[6:40] <Opinie> anyone know of any law related channels on freenode_
[6:40] <Geleia> daaku: lol
[6:40] <Geleia> same here
[6:40] <Opinie> ?
[6:41] <Geleia> I can boot december raspbian
[6:41] <Geleia> but can't boot gentoo with new stage3
[6:41] <daaku> Geleia: sounds similar
[6:42] <Geleia> I can't find an old gentoo stage3 to test
[6:42] <Geleia> but seems like this is the problem
[6:42] <daaku> is there any firmware flashing involved on the pi or is putting the stuff in /boot all it takes to upgrade firmware?
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[6:44] <ParkerR> daaku: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
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[6:46] <Datalink> ParkerR, doesn't apply, I get "access denied but no auth challenge, manually sendinding auth also fails, this is from network or pi itself, would prefer network as I run my pi headless
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[6:47] <daaku> ParkerR: i'm using my system package manager (pacman on arch) to manage the stuff in /boot as well as the kernel.. and i don't think rpi-update does anything more
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[6:47] <daaku> as in it just grabs new stuff from github and puts it in the right place, but no flashing etc
[6:47] <ParkerR> daaku: Ahh arch manages updates. rpi-update is just for debian based
[6:48] <ParkerR> Yeah that should be it
[6:48] <daaku> cool, just checking. still a n00b
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[6:48] <Datalink> exact Cups error: Unauthorized:
[6:48] <Datalink> Enter your username and password or the root username and password to access this page. If you are using Kerberos authentication, make sure you have a valid Kerberos ticket.
[6:49] <Datalink> it doesn't prompt... ever
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[7:00] <Viper7> sprintf(cmd, "/usr/bin/mplayer \"/mnt/thumb/%s\" < /dev/null 2>/dev/null >/dev/null & echo $! > /var/run/mplayer.pid", dir->d_name);
[7:00] <Viper7> i disgust myself sometimes :/
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[7:12] <factor> Do any apps exist to do gpio
[7:12] <factor> any gui ones
[7:12] <factor> and is it dev.gpio
[7:13] <factor> /dev/gpio
[7:13] <Gordio> awesome sucks!
[7:14] <Viper7> /sys/class/gpio
[7:15] <Viper7> or just use http://www.open.com.au/mikem/bcm2835/index.html
[7:16] <factor> Viper-7, thanks
[7:17] <Viper7> http://codepad.org/3LYsWGhY
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[7:20] <factor> does anyone use vnc to work on rasp pi
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[7:26] <Geleia> nice
[7:26] <Geleia> irc from the serial console
[7:26] <Geleia> lol
[7:26] <Viper7> haha
[7:26] <Viper7> Geleia++
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[7:29] <NESIT> can anyone here help with wifi connection issue
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[7:35] <Datalink> NESIT, it helps to describe it, there's a lot to wifi in Linux and I know only some for example
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[7:39] <NESIT> http://pastebin.com/jEXNj8yx this is the /etc/network/interfaces & /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[7:39] <NESIT> im connecting to a router with wpa2-personal aes with a preshared key
[7:40] <Coburn> What kernel is the R-Pi currently at?
[7:40] <Coburn> I know the official ones are at 3.2
[7:40] <Coburn> any above that?
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[7:50] <Geleia> nice
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[7:53] <axion> 3.2?
[7:53] <axion> my rpi has 3.6.11
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[7:55] <NESIT> damn nobody knows wifi?
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[8:00] <Datalink> ParkerR, http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/ref-cupsd-conf.html#AuthType this solved my issue after a restart of the router
[8:00] <Datalink> er cupsd
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[8:17] <SuperLag> Geleia: you're using Gentoo on an rpi? :O
[8:17] <Geleia> I'm trying to
[8:17] <Geleia> lol
[8:17] <SuperLag> Geleia: you're cross-compiling, I hope...
[8:17] <Geleia> I will
[8:18] <Geleia> I can't even boot right now
[8:18] <SuperLag> Geleia: I'm interested to hear if you get this working.
[8:18] <Geleia> there are guides for it
[8:18] <Geleia> it should work
[8:18] <Geleia> but it's not working
[8:18] <Geleia> for me
[8:18] <Geleia> at least
[8:19] <Geleia> SuperLag: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Quick_Install_Guide
[8:20] <SuperLag> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=707&start=50
[8:20] <SuperLag> this was the one I found
[8:20] <SuperLag> Geleia: I think you're crazy... but I completely understand, and would probably do the same thing.
[8:21] <SuperLag> Geleia: However, I opted to spare myself the pain.
[8:21] <SuperLag> Linux rpi 3.6.11-4-ARCH+ #1 PREEMPT Wed Jan 16 19:06:54 UTC 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[8:21] <Geleia> it's not like I have to use it all the time
[8:21] <SuperLag> right
[8:21] <Geleia> changing SD cards is easy
[8:21] <SuperLag> yeah, I have a second one with a stock Raspbian install
[8:21] <Geleia> SuperLag: but for my final project
[8:21] <Geleia> I would like to have it running on gentoo
[8:21] <Viper7> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[8:21] <Geleia> if possible
[8:22] <Viper7> thats stock
[8:22] <SuperLag> right on
[8:22] <SuperLag> Viper7: you've compiled 250 times?! :O
[8:22] <Viper7> nope
[8:23] <Viper7> again, its the stock image
[8:23] <SuperLag> Viper7: then what's the #250? I thought that counter incremented with every subsequent kernel compile
[8:23] <Viper7> havent recompiled a thing
[8:23] <Viper7> certainly not the kernel
[8:23] <SuperLag> interesting
[8:23] <Viper7> maybe whoever built the image did? heh
[8:24] <SuperLag> Okay. Time to crash. No wonder sleep deprivation is a legitimate form of torture. *ugh*
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[8:29] <Geleia> >.>
[8:29] <Geleia> I was here on the net
[8:30] <Geleia> and my brother accessed my raspi without saying a thing
[8:30] <Geleia> and put it to play music
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[8:31] <mdik> Geleia: and now you want to know how you can prevent him from doing that?
[8:32] <Geleia> no
[8:32] <Geleia> just talking to myself on irc
[8:32] <mdik> fine. i'm gonna make some coffee (:
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[8:35] <dape8708> Viper7, pacman -Syu
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[8:53] <Viper7> ok, my pi now plays music as soon as i plug in a thumb drive
[8:53] <Viper7> and tells ???something??? over i2c that its started or stopped
[8:53] <Viper7> stage 1 complete >:D
[8:54] <Geleia> what's the goal? :3
[8:54] <Geleia> music box
[8:54] <Geleia> ?
[8:54] <Viper7> bit more than that
[8:55] <Viper7> http://viper-7.blogspot.com.au/
[8:55] <Viper7> thats the system it'll be connected to
[8:55] <Viper7> automating _everything_ heh
[8:55] <Viper7> they plug a thumb drive in containing the show they want to run, and off it goes :D
[8:55] <Viper7> music, amps, foggers, lasers, lights, strobes, etc
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[8:58] <dape8708> Viper7, how much is one of these laser writtin' projectors please?
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[9:03] <Viper7> dape8708: around $300 each for the lasers
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[9:04] <dape8708> not bad i think
[9:04] <Viper7> the whole setup is worth around $2000
[9:06] <dape8708> not so cheap
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[9:07] <Viper7> they wanted about $8000 for a control system for it
[9:07] <dape8708> but i guess you are into the business and have money for what you need
[9:07] <Viper7> so far my solution is around $100, and has far more features :P
[9:07] <Viper7> its been built up over time
[9:07] <dape8708> inclues a pi? :P
[9:07] <Viper7> wasnt just one big outlay
[9:07] <Viper7> yup
[9:07] <dape8708> so we'll see more and more "industry" around the Pi
[9:08] <Viper7> pi reads show files, plays music (or video), handles wireless control from staff iphones and such
[9:08] <Viper7> then talks to a PIC mcu which handles DMX to control everything, an LCD screen, some status lights and local buttons
[9:08] <Viper7> it means the pi can shutdown and everything still works
[9:09] <Viper7> just turn it on and things suddenly become automagic :D
[9:09] <dape8708> Pi Power !
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[9:36] <factor> Anyone know why pi wont do html 5 very well
[9:37] <mjr> too little horsepower and memory for html 5 browsers
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[9:37] <mjr> it's not really more complicated than that
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[9:39] <factor> my samsung gplayer canview html 5 just fine
[9:39] <factor> it runs android
[9:39] <factor> 2.3.5
[9:40] <NESIT> holy crap i finally got this EW-7811Un wifi to work
[9:41] <factor> my trendnet G worked really easy
[9:42] <NESIT> took forever , theres 20 million blog posts and none of them worked
[9:42] <rikkib> Choice... Scored a Hitachi V1050F 100MHz duel channel scope for free... Way better than my Voltcraft 30MHz duel channel scope.
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[9:42] <mjr> it's got a more powerful cpu
[9:42] <mjr> also probably gpu acceleration for the browser
[9:43] <mjr> less memory than the _newest_ pi b revision though
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[9:46] <factor> galaxy player looks like it runa 1Ghz proc while pi is 700mhz
[9:46] <factor> but has less meme than my pi
[9:46] <Macer> heh
[9:46] <factor> mem^
[9:46] <Macer> i just realized
[9:46] <Macer> raspbian has a 100M swap?
[9:47] <Macer> wth? :)
[9:47] <mjr> factor, also a newer arm architecture, more bang per clock
[9:47] <Macer> does it use a swapfile?
[9:48] <Xark> Macer: I believe so. Won't hurt to have one "just in case".
[9:48] <Macer> Xark: i was just curious because the swap is like 100MB
[9:48] <Macer> and i wanted ot make it like 1GB heh
[9:48] <Macer> and i don't know how it is mounting the swap
[9:49] <mjr> one could probably do better html5 on the pi than is currently available were one to write a browser rendering in opengl es
[9:49] <Xark> Macer: Hehe, OK, just hope you don't actually need to use that much swap. :)
[9:49] <plugwash> I belive that the raspberry pi foundation's raspbian image is indeed setup with a swapfile
[9:49] <plugwash> using something called dphys_swapfile iirc
[9:49] <factor> Is the pi GPIO cable based on any standard computer cable or custom pin outs.
[9:49] <Macer> plugwash: yeah i noticed that
[9:49] <Macer> i will look into it later
[9:49] <Xark> factor: Standard 26 pin (IIRC) cable, but pinout is custom (and a few revs).
[9:49] <Macer> Xark: i don't know.. at least 512mb heh
[9:49] <mgottschlag> factor: you can use a floppy drive cable if you swap some pings, just a bit too large
[9:50] <factor> oh nice
[9:50] <mgottschlag> s/pings/pins
[9:50] <factor> Xark, yes that is what i ment
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[9:50] <Xark> factor: You can cut an old IDE cable, so I hear. :)
[9:50] <factor> mgottschlag, I mean
[9:50] <Macer> if it were me i'd probably get a cable specific to the pi heh
[9:51] <mgottschlag> 2-3$ in your local electronics shop
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[9:51] <Macer> well.. i have apache working
[9:51] <Xark> Yep, even adafruit is $2.95 -> http://www.adafruit.com/products/862
[9:51] <Macer> nice
[9:51] <plugwash> personally I tend to think that if you need swap the Pi is probablly not the right tool for the job
[9:51] <mgottschlag> (assuming you are somewhere near one, gets a bit trickier if you live far away from any major city)
[9:51] <Macer> running at least :)
[9:52] <factor> yes the radio shack in town even left here.
[9:52] <Xark> plugwash: Occasionally it is handy to compile something, but yes, if you are using it a lot, you aren't getting much done. :)
[9:52] <nid0> my pi's apache install is still giving me grief :<
[9:52] <flufmnstr> just a shot in the dark, anyone here have experience with the Lumos: Light Orchestration System?
[9:52] <factor> I can order something , jsut wanted to know if I could use old hardware for now
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[9:53] <plugwash> Xark, mmm, iirc my imx53 board has 5GB of swap configured so it doesn't run out when builing stuff
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[9:55] <Xark> plugwash: Yeah, not sure the biggest thing I have built, but not that big. :)
[9:55] <Xark> (native on pi)
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[10:17] <martk100> Can I run the Easystroke program on Debian? It is available on Archlinux. Is the source code available for ARM devices?
[10:22] <linuxstb> martk100: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/easystroke/wiki/BuildInstructions
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[10:23] <martk100> linuxstb: Thanks very much. Iwill give it a go
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[10:26] <martk100> linuxstb: I have tried the download yesterday. It does not work on ARM. It is for x86 devices.
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[10:31] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[10:50] <Gordio> Hm. Possible to control size for rendering video with hardware acceleration?
[10:50] <Gordio> size and position
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[11:26] <linuxstb> Gordio: Yes.
[11:28] <linuxstb> Gordio: http://home.nouwen.name/RaspberryPi/documentation/ilcomponents/prop.html#OMX_IndexConfigDisplayRegion
[11:29] <Gordio> linuxstb, thank you.
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[11:35] <linuxstb> Gordio: The Pi can even handle multiple simultaneous decodes, rendering in different parts of the screen. I've done a test with 4 quarter-screen windows, 2 decoding HD digital TV streams, and 2 decoding SD streams.
[11:35] <factor> nice
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[11:36] <Gordio> Wow! Cool!
[11:36] <Zelest> porn^4 *ahem*
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[11:37] <Armand> Zelest, "The internet is for....... "
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[11:37] <Gordio> linuxstb, OpenSource project?
[11:37] <mjr> linuxstb, cool. I presume the HD ones were 720p though? (Multiple 1080p ones would be more than I'd expect it to handle)
[11:37] <linuxstb> 1080i
[11:37] <shiftplusone> Zelest, ... family friendly channel.
[11:37] <mjr> linuxstb, even cooler then
[11:38] <Zelest> shiftplusone, sorry :-(
[11:38] <shiftplusone> not a problem, just a heads up to be careful.
[11:39] * Zelest argues that the previous mentioned word is good for making families though ;-)
[11:39] <linuxstb> Gordio: https://github.com/linuxstb/pidvbip/ - I hacked a version to display the video in a quarter of a screen and then ran four copies of it, each tuning to a different channel.
[11:40] <linuxstb> The GPU even mixes the audio, so I got audio from all four channels simultaneously as well ;)
[11:40] <mjr> Zelest, not to challenge the policy at this juncture, but I too think that the term "family friendly" is quite disingenuous, it's more about "fussy parent friendliness"
[11:40] <shiftplusone> yup
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[11:40] <Zelest> yeah, sorry again.. I'll behave. :-)
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[11:41] <mjr> of course, fussy parents may not like reminding that they're the ones being pandered to, so saying it's "family friendly" may actually be also "fussy parent friendly"
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[11:42] <Zelest> I'm probably the other kind of parent though.. just to even out the balance :-)
[11:43] <Zelest> Hah!
[11:43] <Zelest> mjr, May I privmsg you?
[11:44] <Gordio> linuxstb, thx! Happy day for you ;-)
[11:45] <Zelest> 15 min till lunch.. then I'll go buy a new SD-card and my nano wifi usb-dongle. :-D
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[11:51] <Davespice> just found there is a fairly okay comic book reader for Raspbian, looks like they brought it over during making it reach parity with Debian Wheezy
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[11:52] <Davespice> "comix" is the package
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[12:11] <dape8708> Davespice, 4.0.3 ?
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[12:11] <Mortvert> :( No despatch mail yet
[12:11] <dape8708> Mortvert, keep yourself together, it will come
[12:12] <Davespice> 4.0.4
[12:12] <Mortvert> dape8708 - still, one thing was wierd as hell yesterday
[12:12] <Mortvert> got a phonecall. Answered it, got a single tone and a "Goodbye"
[12:12] <dape8708> stop cheating your gf :P
[12:12] <Mortvert> I hope it wasn't RS.
[12:12] <Mortvert> dape8708 - we don't use english in poland :P
[12:13] <dape8708> don't worry, it will come, i waited like one month for something from hong kong
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[12:13] <Mortvert> RS sends from hong kong, not UK?
[12:14] <dape8708> no, some other product i got, yours should be from uk
[12:14] <dape8708> how long from the order?
[12:14] <Mortvert> 16-01-2013 18:50 was when i got confirmation mail
[12:14] <dape8708> more than a week, not so long
[12:15] <Mortvert> expected despatch was a week D:
[12:15] <dape8708> probably some custom dog sniffed too much your Pi and got stucked with nose inside the box
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[12:17] <Mortvert> dape8708 - what if it didn't even get sent yet?
[12:17] <dape8708> whats the order status on the web page?
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[12:18] <Mortvert> You can't check it on web page
[12:18] <dape8708> silly.. even shops in .ro allow that
[12:19] <Mortvert> RS doesn't do that for Pi
[12:19] <Mortvert> for everything else, yes.
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[12:39] <Davespice> \o/ yes! my aluminium pi case has arrived!
[12:40] <dape8708> the one with the three heatsinks?
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[12:41] <Davespice> yeah
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[12:42] <Davespice> I got they have an ebay shop called cooltrays which sell them
[12:43] <Davespice> I ordered it on the 14th and it came today, so 10 days shipping from USA isn't bad
[12:47] <dape8708> how much please? iirc was like double the pi
[12:47] <dape8708> ah, you're EU then, let me try searching for cooltrays
[12:48] <dape8708> Davespice ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-rev-1-w-Billet-Aluminum-Case-by-CoolTrays-/251218218802?pt=US_Computer_Cases&hash=item3a7dc5cf32
[12:50] <megaproxy> i kinda want one of these
[12:50] <Davespice> yep, thats is what I've got
[12:51] <Davespice> http://myworld.ebay.com/cooltrays?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:GB:1181 <- this is the shop
[12:51] <pronto> http://tasty.bagels.xxx:8080/stats/ lolol, still runnning
[12:51] <pronto> (apache on raspberry pi)
[12:53] <megaproxy> thats a nice stats page
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[12:54] <dape8708> linfo is not bad, realtime not like phpsysinfo i think
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[12:57] <megaproxy> you have 0 zombies
[12:57] <megaproxy> this can only be a good thing
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[13:03] <MalMen> raspberry pi broadcast fm.. it works :D
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[13:21] <gordonDrogon> a zombies. I know them well ...
[13:22] <discorpia> before i go and make my own, are there any commercial breakout boards/shields for raspberry pi that groups the gpio pins by function or similar?
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[13:29] <gordonDrogon> discorpia, there are a few that just extend the gpio.
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> then there's the quick to wire board that does what you want, but it might be a bit overkill..
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/quick2wire-boards-are-here/
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/adafruit-pi-tcobbler-breakout-kit-for-raspberry-pi-p-1164.html
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[13:31] <discorpia> that's exactly what i was looking for, funny i couldn't find any premade options when i googled.
[13:31] <discorpia> many thanks
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> looks like skpang are selling the q2w kits too:
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-quick2wire-boards-c-240_248.html
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[13:40] <Zelest> I don't have any network cable available.. but I did buy a supported wifi dongle, is there any way I can configure/setup my wifi settings on the card using my mac?
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[13:44] <discorpia> gordonDrogon: thank you for the links, the interface board kit looked perfect so i ordered one
[13:45] <linuxstb> Zelest: You don't have a USB keyboard? I guess you could do it from your Mac if you can find a way to read ext4 filesystems.
[13:45] <Zelest> linuxstb, well, no screen ;-)
[13:46] <linuxstb> You could type blind ;)
[13:46] <Zelest> Hehe
[13:47] <linuxstb> But I've no idea how to setup wifi on Raspbian (assuming you're using that).
[13:47] <Zelest> Ah, so the thing the mac mounts is /boot ?
[13:47] <Zelest> Which is some other filesystem
[13:47] <mjr> yes, fat32
[13:48] <Zelest> Ah, might be able to mount the ext4 using vmware fusion or something then :-)
[13:48] * Zelest gives it a try :)
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> discorpia, the Q2W one?
[13:53] <discorpia> gordonDrogon: no the q2w i signed up for the mailing list to get announcements, i ordered one "t-cobbler"
[13:54] <discorpia> there was no timestamp on their frontpage, so hard to say how recently they felt they were "days away" from quantity shipping (q2w that is)
[13:55] <wishi> I use raspbmc which - to my knowledge - uses a raspbian. Can I update the kernel easily (testing or something) to gain support for a WiFi Chip?
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> discorpia, ah, ok.
[13:55] <wishi> I mean from a repo
[13:56] <discorpia> gordonDrogon: oh, now i see you're the one who wrote the review i just read :D i'm not mistaken regarding the q2w not being publicly available yet am i?
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> discorpia, yea, I have one of the prototype Q2W boards + the IO expander - I think they're almsot there with the production ones now.
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> I was surprised to see it on the skpang site, but it does sound like they're quite close to it.
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> discorpia, you'll need to solder up the cobbler board though..
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> I have 2 of their Mk 1 cobblers. quite handy, but the new one looks much better in terms of accessibility.
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[13:58] <discorpia> yeah, i scanned it and it looked like only through hole parts, so i feel safe :D
[13:59] <moritz_89> Somebody knows a good store to buy the raspberry for Germany?
[13:59] <discorpia> is there a name for those connector headers? the one used for IDE etc as well, ribbon cable thingy
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> discorpia, yes, it's just pins - no components at all. easy to do if you can solder.
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> box headers ..
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> insulation displacement connectors/cable is the generic term for the cable ones (IDC)
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[14:02] <discorpia> ah, idc. thank you
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[14:07] <Zelest> hmms.. I have a wlan0 and if I set the IP manually, I can reach it over wifi.. but if I try to set it using dhclient, it won't get any lease (and when trying to sniff the network on my other machine, it can't see the DHCP requests)
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[14:19] <earl2> so what is the defining thing that makes us have to use an inductor instead of a capacitor?
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[14:21] <moritz_89> Somebody knows a good store to buy the raspberry for Germany?
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[14:23] <flufmnstr> earl2 http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/12930/capacitors-or-inductors
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[14:38] * Zelest don't get this
[14:41] <linuxstb> Zelest: Just go and buy a cable ;)
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[14:45] <DooMMasteR> mexicow -.-
[14:45] <Zelest> linuxstb, this isn't related to my other issue before. ;-)
[14:46] <Zelest> linuxstb, the wifi is just odd, it works when setup manually.. but it somehow refuse to get IP from DHCP (as it can't broadcast the dhcp request)
[14:46] <linuxstb> Zelest: OK, but I think the advice still holds. All wifi issues can be solved with the purchase of a cable ;)
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[14:48] <Zelest> linuxstb, Correct. :-)
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[15:18] <SirLagz> Still as busy as ever in here I see.
[15:19] <SirLagz> Does anyone know of a web interface for WiFi configuration for the Pi ?
[15:21] <dape8708> like a wireless access point management web for multiuser?
[15:23] <pronto> <3 ssh tunnels
[15:23] <SirLagz> something like that dape8708
[15:23] <chithead> if you run openwrt, then you can use luci
[15:24] <chithead> I think from all web-based interfaces for configuring networking, luci is the best
[15:24] <SirLagz> Nope, running Raspbian at the moment
[15:24] <SirLagz> is luci portable to Raspbian ?
[15:24] <dape8708> SirFunk, like http://www.chillispot.info/ ?
[15:24] <chithead> probably not
[15:24] <dape8708> meh, many Sirs
[15:24] <SirLagz> lol
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[15:29] <SirLagz> chillispot seems a bit too fully featured for me
[15:29] <pronto> http://vps2.pronto185.com:10000/stats/ got my silly raspberry pi webserver back up :D
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[15:29] <wsmsg> im adding a 64gb thumbdrive to my raspberry pi for backup purposes (from other boxes) -- what FS would you use?
[15:31] <mjr> ext4
[15:31] <pronto> wsmsg: ext4
[15:31] <wsmsg> ty
[15:31] <pronto> unless you need to plug said usb into a windows box
[15:31] <mjr> yeah
[15:31] <wsmsg> hopefully not :D
[15:31] <wsmsg> and if so, i have virtualbox
[15:31] <mjr> basically, ext4 if you don't have a particular reason to do otherwise
[15:31] <pronto> ext2fs for windows, check that out to
[15:31] <SirLagz> pronto, doesn't *quite* work for ext4 though
[15:31] <pronto> it works with ext3, not sure about 4
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[15:32] <SirLagz> now, to find an easy way to modify a text file via a webpage haha
[15:32] <Armand> Ok... besides adding IPs to my iptables, what's a good way to block spambots from my drupal site? (running on raspbian)
[15:33] <pronto> Armand: fail2ban might be able to help with that
[15:33] <pronto> not sure if fail2ban can interface with drupal
[15:33] <wsmsg> oh geesh.
[15:33] <wsmsg> is #83 - Linux ext4 ?
[15:33] <pronto> also theres this other service, one second
[15:33] <Armand> drupal I'm not so fussed about.. accounts require approval.
[15:33] <Armand> deleting accounts is easy enough.
[15:33] <dape8708> SirLagz, http://dev.wifidog.org/ http://coova.org/CoovaChilli http://pepperspot.sourceforge.net/
[15:34] <Armand> pronto, I'm putting blocks on IPs (and certain ranges) at the moment, but it's not really reducing the attempts.
[15:34] <SirLagz> Thanks for the links dape8708, checking them out now
[15:34] <mjr> wsmsg, 83 is used for all the ext?
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[15:35] <wsmsg> mjr: jsut reads "linux"
[15:35] <mjr> and probably some other common linux fses as well, but not sure
[15:35] <mjr> yes
[15:35] <SirLagz> Armand, I ended up blocking entire ranges because of spambots.
[15:35] <Armand> SirLagz, It certain reduced the overall number of unwanted hits on my site. ;)
[15:35] <SirLagz> which wiped out access to a few innocent people haha
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[15:36] <Armand> A simple whois would give anyone my e-mail address, so.. they can work that out for themselves. ;)
[15:36] <Armand> Registered domain and all...
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[15:37] <SirLagz> haha
[15:38] <Armand> I've got 3 years on it for now.. I'll most likely extend it even if the project dies.
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[15:40] <DarkKnightCZ> has anyone here tried libcec as library in c++? i would like to see some examples
[15:40] <SirLagz> dape8708, Still too fully featured for what I want haha
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[15:42] <wsmsg> What do you guys use for monitoring? Im thinking a simple script with integrated webserver (or just bash @ xinetd) -- with last log entrier, a quick system overview
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[15:42] <SirLagz> wsmsg, what sort of monitoring ?
[15:43] <SirLagz> I have snmp installed on my Pi, with Cacti on another box polling it
[15:43] <wsmsg> that would also be a way of doing it.. tho, i prefer munin..
[15:43] <wsmsg> guess i could do munin node
[15:43] <wsmsg> was thinking something in the range of phpsysinfo.. just lighter
[15:44] <SirLagz> pronto has something similar at http://vps2.pronto185.com:10000/stats/
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[15:44] <SirLagz> using Linfo
[15:44] <wsmsg> pretty much that.. wouldnt die of the last 5 entries in auth etc either
[15:45] <SirLagz> can't imagine that would be too hard to add
[15:45] <SirLagz> Linfo is PHP based too
[15:46] <Zelest> For some reason, I seem to be forced to have eth0 up for my wifi (wlan0) to work.. if I run ifconfig eth0 down, my wifi does as well.. why is this and how can I change this behaviour?
[15:47] <wsmsg> what usb stick do you use for wifi, if you dont mind me asking, Zelest ?
[15:48] <Zelest> wsmsg, A D-Link DWA-121 nano thingie.. found it on http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters
[15:48] <wsmsg> kcool, thanks
[15:48] <SirLagz> Zelest, what does ifconfig show when you run ifdown eth0 ?
[15:49] <Zelest> SirLagz, if I run ifconfig eth0 down, I lose connectivity.. so I can't check.. let me try restart it and see what it gives me when it's up
[15:50] <SirLagz> Headless Pi hey ? such a PITA lol
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[15:50] <Zelest> Mhm :(
[15:50] <SirLagz> run ifdown eth0 && ifconfig > ~/ifconfig && ifup eth0
[15:50] <Zelest> but hey, it's Linux.. I'm used to it ;)
[15:51] <Armand> 'ssh SirLagz@127.0.0.1'
[15:51] <Zelest> and preferably in a screen.. as ifdown ran dhclient and kicked me off.. lol
[15:51] <SirLagz> haha
[15:51] <SirLagz> that too
[15:51] <Armand> I only ever use ssh to access mine. :P
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[15:52] <SirLagz> Armand, I only use ssh to access my Pi normally, but I'm making a page for the hell of it haha
[15:52] <SirLagz> plus then I can stick it somewhere remote and as long as it has power, I'll be able to access it with the way I have mine setup :D
[15:52] <Zelest> I don't really see why one would want to run it non-headless.. but that's just me. :-)
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[15:52] <SirLagz> Zelest, very very low power desktop ? :P
[15:52] <Armand> I have my drupal site on there, SirLagz.. but, I'm talking system access. ;)
[15:53] <wsmsg> For solitaire and such? :P
[15:53] <SirLagz> haha
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[15:53] <SirLagz> Armand, I'm *planning* to stick mine outside with a webcam and battery, and have it act as a wireless client normally, but in the event of a power outage, it will start up hostapd so I can still access my webcam outside
[15:53] <Zelest> SirLagz, i guess.. but you're pretty limited to what you can do.. and you still have to have a power-eating monitor with it ;)
[15:53] <SirLagz> sort of a security camera of sorts
[15:54] <Armand> SirLagz, sounds like fun.
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[15:54] <Armand> I have a solar source for mine, but it's not installed just yet.
[15:54] <SirLagz> Zelest, true, but if it's next to a power socket it's not really an issue :P
[15:54] <SirLagz> Armand, that's for later down the track ahah
[15:55] <groszek> Hi. I'm looking to get raspberry as media player for my tv, with xbmc installed, does anyone use it as so? I know it's possible, xbmc is ported, but i wonder how good the experience is?
[15:55] <Triffid_Hunter> pi would make a decent router.. I've run pppoe and lan through the same ethernet port before.. useless for proper security of course but you have to take over the router from outside to do anything useful with it
[15:56] <groszek> also: what's the deal with buying license keys for mpeg2 etc?
[15:56] <Zelest> SirLagz, seems down still :(
[15:56] <jelly1> groszek: so you can let them get decoded by your gpu
[15:56] <mjr> thank patents for that
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[15:57] <jelly1> indeed
[15:57] <Zelest> I don't mind the fiddling to get it working.. kind of charming.. my boss breathing down my neck, seeing it's a waste of time, that I do mind. :-D
[15:57] <jelly1> >_>
[15:57] <jelly1> if you want DVB you want mpeg2
[15:57] <Triffid_Hunter> groszek: mpeg group want monetary return for their work in creating the standards, thus need license to use the vpu to decode it
[15:57] <SirLagz> Zelest, bugger.
[15:57] <Triffid_Hunter> groszek: rpi seems to be too slow to decode it in software with decent result
[15:57] <Zelest> *reboots it and hopes that the output was saved though*
[15:57] <SirLagz> haha
[15:57] <groszek> ooh i see, was about to ask about software decoding
[15:57] <SirLagz> fingers crossed
[15:57] <jelly1> Triffid_Hunter: seems == is
[15:58] <jelly1> cpu is major weak, gpu is fast
[15:58] <Zelest> SirLagz, to make it even more annoying.. it's standing next to my boss.. so i have to walk into his office to reboot it :D
[15:58] <groszek> What about mpeg4? that works OOTB?
[15:59] <jelly1> you can google what the pi supports..
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[15:59] <Zelest> SirLagz, http://pastie.org/private/tnidk5bgxjgh0olxmnua
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[15:59] <SirLagz> Zelest, worst location ever
[16:00] <SirLagz> next to boss is fail haha
[16:00] <Zelest> :D
[16:00] <SirLagz> if you run ifdown eth0, then can you ping 10.0.1.200 ?
[16:00] <Zelest> nope
[16:00] <SirLagz> and/or access the Pi on that addresss ?
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[16:00] <Zelest> nope
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[16:00] <mjr> groszek, yes , the protection money for that is included
[16:00] <Zelest> wlan0 only is what I want really
[16:01] <SirLagz> Zelest, I'm assuming wlan0 is actually connected, and has gotten an IP address from a dhcp server ?
[16:01] <Zelest> nope, it can't send dhcp broadcasts at all
[16:01] <Zelest> (for some unknown reason)
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[16:01] <Zelest> but if I set it manually (like that) I can reach it through that IP
[16:01] <Zelest> but only if eth0 is up
[16:02] <SirLagz> strange
[16:02] <SirLagz> set a gateway for wlan0 ?
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[16:02] <SirLagz> and/or routes ?
[16:03] <Zelest> http://pastie.org/private/evn7xvoopdejdl5ed96kg
[16:03] <Zelest> (i know, rc.local is ugly, but nothing else I've tried so far works)
[16:04] <groszek> hmm okay, I guess I don't need mpeg2/vc1. is anyone using r.pi as his media center? I'm looking for first-hand experience, whenever it's worth it :p
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[16:04] <Matt> playing video works fine
[16:05] <Matt> however the rest of the gui is kinda sluggish :)
[16:06] <SirLagz> lol Zelest
[16:06] <groszek> I remember how blazing fast and awesome xbmc was on xbox1 ..
[16:06] <Zelest> SirLagz, uhm? :o
[16:07] <SirLagz> at the rc.local comment
[16:07] <SirLagz> I've used much uglier hacks haha
[16:07] <Zelest> aah :D
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[16:10] <SirLagz> is it actually connecting to the wifi network ?
[16:11] <SirLagz> can you ssh in and then run iwconfig ?
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[16:11] <SirLagz> or sudo wpa_cli status
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[16:15] <Mortvert> Grrrr. Seems i'm going to whine to RS daily :V
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[16:17] <SirLagz> Zelest, or can you check the AP to see if the Pi has connected via WiFi ?
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[16:21] <Zelest> hmms..
[16:22] <Zelest> doesn't seem connected.. (trying my own wifi thingie now, another card) ..
[16:22] <Zelest> also, i need to leave work now.. but I'll continue fiddling with my raspberry and my card at home tonight :D
[16:22] <SirLagz> have fun with that :)
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[17:07] <Torikun> yo
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[17:11] <Armand> yo-yo! *spins*
[17:13] <Torikun> lol
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[17:21] <Armand> I want to play 1942. -_-
[17:21] <Torikun> ? never heard of it
[17:21] <Armand> O_O
[17:21] <Armand> Classic arcade game..
[17:22] <Armand> Moar dakka!
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[17:24] <Armand> http://www.arcade-history.com/?n=1942&page=detail&id=6
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[17:41] <Torikun> close to ditching gentoo and going back to arch...
[17:41] <yaMatt> on the Pi?
[17:41] <Torikun> yup
[17:41] <Weaselweb> interesting. why? I'm happy with it
[17:41] <Torikun> Even on USB hard drive , it sucks
[17:42] <Torikun> Weaselweb: how do you compile on it
[17:42] <Weaselweb> (nearly) none at all
[17:42] <yaMatt> explains why you need a cluster then :D
[17:42] <Weaselweb> i do cross-compilation on my host
[17:43] <Torikun> how exactly do you do that
[17:43] <Torikun> xmerge?
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[17:44] <Weaselweb> Torikun: check out http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#crossdev and http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/?part=1&chap=3#doc_chap3
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[17:44] <Torikun> yeah did that
[17:44] <Torikun> ran into bunch of required use flags missing
[17:45] <Torikun> how can I set profile on my powerful machine
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[17:46] <Weaselweb> /usr/arm.../etc works like the usual /etc
[17:47] <Weaselweb> so there is a make.profile link you can change
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[17:54] <Torikun> I linked it just like the guide now Weaselweb
[17:55] <Weaselweb> Torikun: i've chosen a different one, but this is up to you which to choose
[17:55] <Torikun> how can I set it to desktop
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[17:57] <Torikun> ln -s /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/arm/10.0 ${SYSROOT}/etc/make.profile
[17:57] <Torikun> I did that but still getting use flag issues
[17:58] <Weaselweb> that should work
[17:58] <Torikun> do you manually specify use flags?
[17:59] <Weaselweb> some, not much, e.g. i had to disable acl. this does not work with crosscompiling due to libtool .la nightmare
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[18:00] <Torikun> oh
[18:00] <Torikun> do you rsync $SYSROOT to sd then?
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[18:02] <Weaselweb> no, i create a squashfs on my host (without distfiles and packages) and put that on the rpi
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[18:02] <Torikun> oh
[18:03] <Torikun> rsyncing $SYSROOT works 2?
[18:03] <Weaselweb> you see, I'M not a standard but a more advanced user
[18:03] <Weaselweb> ah, wait
[18:03] <Weaselweb> i do squashfs for portage, not sysroot
[18:03] <Torikun> oh
[18:04] <Weaselweb> i started from http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#Stage_3 oder stage4, don't remember
[18:04] <Weaselweb> and do rolling update in the gentoo way. nothing special
[18:04] <Torikun> that takes a long time
[18:04] <Torikun> right?
[18:05] <Weaselweb> not, if you're cross-compiling and create bin packages
[18:05] <Geleia> hey
[18:05] <Weaselweb> but I'm off for today
[18:05] <Geleia> do you guys have the last stage 3 running?
[18:05] <Geleia> my boot hangs everytime
[18:05] <Geleia> :/
[18:05] <Torikun> i made a stage 4 Geleia
[18:05] <Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com
[18:05] <Geleia> hmmm
[18:05] <Torikun> compiled kernel
[18:06] <Torikun> and you can get to boot
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[18:07] <Geleia> anyway
[18:07] <Geleia> I guess I won't go the troble of gentoo
[18:07] <Torikun> try my stage4
[18:07] <Geleia> don't wanna cross compile
[18:07] <Torikun> lol
[18:07] <Torikun> yeah it is troublesome
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[18:07] <Geleia> and compiling on pi is crazy stuff
[18:07] <Torikun> yup!
[18:07] <Torikun> i am having use flag issues now
[18:07] <Torikun> trying to manually put them in
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[18:15] <TomWij> Torikun: Can I help you with anything?
[18:15] <Torikun> Hey!
[18:15] <Torikun> I been waiting for you to be back here!
[18:15] <Torikun> lol
[18:15] <Torikun> trying to setup desktop profile to crosscompile
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[18:15] <TomWij> I've been here all the time...
[18:16] <Torikun> I did ln -s /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/arm/10.0 ${SYSROOT}/etc/make.profile
[18:16] <TomWij> Or well, was gone between 16 - 10 hours ago because server maintenance.
[18:16] <Torikun> but I still have useflags complaints
[18:16] <TomWij> Torikun: Have you considered distcc?
[18:17] <Torikun> Kinda
[18:17] <Torikun> I wanted to get a good image up first
[18:17] <TomWij> (It's pretty nice with pump mode and all)
[18:17] <Torikun> i need a system with distcc befoer I can use it
[18:17] <Torikun> that is why I wanted to get cross compiling working
[18:18] <TomWij> Torikun: I didn't set the profile in my case, I think. You should probably follow the main crossdev guide instead of something RPi specific, which would miss some things.
[18:18] <Torikun> i did
[18:20] <Triffid_Hunter> Torikun: don't think you need an arm rootfs on the host for distcc, just crossdev -t arm-hardfloat-gnueabi-glibc or whatever the appropriate tuple is for arm-gcc and friends
[18:20] <TomWij> Torikun: distcc doesn't take long to compile on the RPi.
[18:22] <TomWij> And yeah, what Triffid_Hunter said, distcc just needs the cross-compiler and such, no explicit rootfs; the rootfs is only handy when you're explicitly cross-compiling and not using distcc.
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[18:23] <Torikun> k
[18:23] <Torikun> trying to emerge xorg
[18:23] <Torikun> following keyword changes are necessary to proceed
[18:23] <Torikun> no ebuilds to satisfy x11-libs-libdrm
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[18:24] <TomWij> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml
[18:24] <Torikun> been following that
[18:25] <TomWij> Torikun: Yeah, you need to do the keyword changes then.
[18:25] <Torikun> how lol
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[18:26] <TomWij> Torikun: What it says, or use --autounmask-write
[18:26] <Torikun> i did
[18:26] <TomWij> after which you can do `dispatch-conf` or `etc-update`.
[18:27] <Torikun> i did
[18:29] <Torikun> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy ">=x11-libs/libdrm-2.4.36[video_cards_omap]".
[18:29] <Torikun> (dependency required by "x11-drivers/xf86-video-omap-0.4.2" [ebuild])
[18:29] <Torikun> (dependency required by "x11-base/xorg-drivers-1.13[video_cards_omap]" [ebuild])
[18:29] <Torikun> (dependency required by "x11-base/xorg-server-1.13.1[xorg]" [ebuild])
[18:29] <Torikun> (dependency required by "x11-drivers/xf86-video-fbdev-0.4.3" [ebuild])
[18:29] <Torikun> localhost ~ #
[18:29] <Torikun> oops I should have pastebin that sorry
[18:29] <TomWij> Torikun: `emerge xorg-server
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[18:30] <TomWij> Argh, hit enter too soon.
[18:30] <TomWij> Torikun: `emerge xorg-server |& wgetpaste`
[18:30] <Torikun> ok
[18:30] <TomWij> You might need to emerge wgetpaste.
[18:30] <Torikun> I am doing this on my laptop
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[18:30] <Torikun> xmerge will compile wgetpaste for arm
[18:31] <Torikun> TomWij: http://pastebin.com/qJpngmmP
[18:32] <TomWij> Don't do video_cards_omap
[18:32] <Torikun> Where is that specifiyed?
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[18:33] <TomWij> VIDEO_CARDS="omap" would expand to video_cards_omap, but it is likely the case that you don't have VIDEO_CARDS set so it might expand all of them, not sure...
[18:33] <TomWij> You will want dummy instead.
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[18:33] <TomWij> If I remember correctly.
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[18:35] <Torikun> where is that specified
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[18:36] <TomWij> Torikun: Follow the xorg guide if you want to install xorg.
[18:36] <Torikun> xorg is easy when the profile is set right
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[18:36] <TomWij> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml#doc_chap2 You can probably skip the kernel part.
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[18:40] <mbelmiro> I just buy the raspbarry pi, someone indicates a nice tutorial?
[18:40] <TomWij> Hmm, a quick search yields some people set VIDEO_CARDS="fbdev omapfb dummy v4l" so you might try that instead of just dummy to get the best thing available.
[18:40] <Torikun> ty
[18:40] <Torikun> make.defaults?
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[18:42] <Torikun> TomWij: http://pastebin.com/4ihLK5FL
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[18:42] <TomWij> * IMPORTANT: 11 config files in '/usr/armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi/etc/portage' need updating.
[18:42] <Torikun> how do you edit them
[18:42] <Torikun> etc-update returns nothing
[18:43] <TomWij> That's because you aren't running etc-update in the rootfs.
[18:43] <herdingcat> what's the meaning of "l" in armv6l ?
[18:43] <Torikun> lol how are you supposed to do this in cross compile
[18:44] <TomWij> The same way the rest uses the sysroot. See http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/cross-development.xml
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[18:44] <TomWij> Code 5.3 is a good example.
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[18:46] <Torikun> pkg: /usr/armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi/var/tmp/binpkgs: No such file or directory
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[18:48] <Torikun> no worky
[18:48] <Torikun> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy ">=x11-libs/libdrm-2.4.36[video_cards_omap]".
[18:48] <Torikun> maybe a portage sync TomWij
[18:48] <Torikun> ?
[18:49] <TomWij> It's much easier to just use the RPi itself and distcc with pump enabled, there's not much benefit to using a cross-dev rootfs unless you have a specific need for it..
[18:50] <Torikun> Yeah
[18:50] <Torikun> =(
[18:51] <TomWij> No, not a portage sync, follow the xorg guide and you won't get that anymore.
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[18:56] <Torikun> the ebuild wants a later version of what is available in the portage tree
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[19:01] <bicou> Hi there. I'm using gmediarender on my raspi to stream music to the audio jack. I've been noticing that the gmediarender process can use a lot of CPU, it can go as high a 80% (I saw peaks at 99%).
[19:01] <bicou> Is that a normal behavior? It's a rev. B raspi.
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[19:01] <bicou> I should mention that before playing any music the CPU was 99% idle.
[19:02] <bicou> There's also its friend pulseaudio that can eat a bit of CPU, too.
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[19:10] <Zelest> http://pi.ifconfig.se/ :-D
[19:10] <Zelest> my new love is finally up and running!
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[19:13] <Torikun> congrats
[19:15] <dape> Zelest nice but where's your linfo? :P
[19:16] <Zelest> linfo? :o
[19:16] <Zelest> Ah, found it :D
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[19:23] <Torikun> TomWij: changing use to -omap seemed to fix it I think
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[19:25] <viric> Hello
[19:25] <viric> doesn't the raspbian kernel include netconsole?
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[19:29] <TomWij> Torikun: That's what setting VIDEO_CARDS="..." from the xorg guide would have done, it overrides the profile's default which I assume defines all these video card USE flags.
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[19:30] <Torikun> i put -omap in video card and said invalid option
[19:31] <Torikun> TomWij: just to be clear, omap should not be used right?
[19:32] <Torikun> that's the goal right
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[19:34] <TomWij> Torikun: Yes, omapfb, not omap. Unless there is some hidden rewrite between both that I am unaware of, probably not...
[19:34] <TomWij> VIDEO_CARDS="fbdev omapfb dummy v4l"
[19:34] <Zelest> I'm new to both debian and raspberry, but what am I doing wrong here? http://pastie.org/private/2zahynhgba4toofsllku1q
[19:34] <Torikun> I copied and pasted that when you did it before and same prob
[19:35] <Torikun> looking for ebuild that is not in the tree
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[19:36] <Torikun> i removed the tool chain and recompiling it fro mscratch again TomWij I wanan start clean
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[19:56] <aDro> my key based ssh is not working :(
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[19:58] <gordonDrogon> Zelest, run sudo apt-get update before the upgrade.
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[20:02] <Zelest> gordonDrogon, I did, the issue seems to be a corrupt filesystem.
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[20:05] <bLiNdRaGe> just got my rasppi, installing redsleeve, but i'm curious, do all distros use hdmi out of the box?
[20:06] <bLiNdRaGe> i ask because either: my memory card reader was bad, or hdmi wasn't enabled..installed it to the drive, booted it up, nothing showed up on my screen
[20:06] <Torikun> hdmi is same as a monitor port on the pu
[20:06] <bLiNdRaGe> i asked since it has component also, wanted to make sure that one wasnt default without some config changes
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[20:08] <AndrevS> hdmi usually overrides composite, unless specified otherwise in config.txt on the fat partition
[20:08] <bLiNdRaGe> awesome, so it's prob my reader
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[20:10] <plugwash> BTW a fairly common newbie screwup is to write the image to a partition rather than to the whole card
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[20:11] <bLiNdRaGe> haha yea i made that already
[20:11] <bLiNdRaGe> not this time
[20:11] <bLiNdRaGe> still nothing. power led is on and that's it...no output
[20:11] <bLiNdRaGe> i'll try the debian image
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[20:20] <Zelest> how can I force fsck -y upon boot without a screen/keyboard?
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[20:20] <aDro> I got it
[20:20] <aDro> :)
[20:21] <Zelest> nvm
[20:21] <viric> anyone using nfs?
[20:21] <viric> how to make debian start rpcbind, idmap, and all that?
[20:22] <FrankBlues> Zelest, sudo shutdown -rF
[20:22] <FrankBlues> I think...
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[20:23] <Zelest> FrankBlues, Ah, apparantly you can create a file called forcefsck in / it seems..
[20:24] <FrankBlues> Yeah, in the past I've always done it from single user mode, but I don't think you can do that without keyboard / mouse
[20:24] <Zelest> mhm
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[20:24] <FrankBlues> I'm also a fan of using shutdown instead of "halt", "reboot", or power buttons
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[20:38] <megaproxy> !seen shocdoc
[20:38] <megaproxy> !seen shockdoc
[20:38] <shiftplusone> megaproxy, nope
[20:38] <megaproxy> ... im not even in the right chan
[20:38] <megaproxy> haha
[20:38] <shiftplusone> go get some coffee
[20:38] <IT_Sean> a lot of coffee
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[20:39] <megaproxy> good idea...
[20:40] <bLiNdRaGe> anybody using their pi's for anything 'cool'? looking to make it an audio access point downstairs...right now i have an airport express but i hate it since you can't control it via a phone
[20:40] <megaproxy> everything i do is cool.
[20:40] <bLiNdRaGe> looking to make this an airplay device as well as bluetooth
[20:40] * megaproxy snickers
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[20:41] <megaproxy> ill be setting up a pi in the office with a webcam soon
[20:41] <megaproxy> to take pics every min or so and upload em
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[20:42] <bLiNdRaGe> haha the uses are uh...unlimited
[20:42] <bLiNdRaGe> we'll hope you mean for 'security'
[20:42] <bLiNdRaGe> another idea i had for my rasppi was as a sync device...aptly named for my car
[20:43] <bLiNdRaGe> my car has ford sync and supports usb/bluetooth..prob with usb is that i have to keep the drive up to date...thinking of making the rasp pi keep it up to date
[20:43] <enthusi> my pi is my main desktop machine
[20:43] <enthusi> surfing etc via ssh+VNC at work-machine
[20:43] <pronto> enthusi: sounds painful
[20:43] <Mortvert> wtf is ford sync?
[20:43] <bLiNdRaGe> ie. rasp pi polls for my wifi..if found and music not playing, gather list of tracks not on drive and download them
[20:43] <wsmsg> Tha
[20:43] <wsmsg> t
[20:43] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[20:43] <bLiNdRaGe> ford sync is microsoft sync
[20:43] * Mortvert was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[20:43] <bLiNdRaGe> forgot they don't own it anymore
[20:43] <enthusi> pronto: well usually I surf, read/write emails, read irc
[20:44] <bLiNdRaGe> it's connectivity to windows phone
[20:44] <bLiNdRaGe> bluetooth, text msg reading, phone control, etc
[20:44] <enthusi> for photostuff I fire up the big machine
[20:44] <bLiNdRaGe> i do a lot of dev, so i couldn't make this my main machine =\
[20:44] <enthusi> me too
[20:44] <bLiNdRaGe> well i guessi could...most of my dev is through sftp connection. not the c# stuff though
[20:45] <enthusi> but I dev via ssh :)
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[20:45] <enthusi> yesterday I compiled vice natively
[20:45] <enthusi> took about an hour :)
[20:45] <bLiNdRaGe> i could always spin up a vm that hosts c# and vnc
[20:45] <bLiNdRaGe> use the rasp pi as an access point
[20:45] <enthusi> thats whaty I do
[20:45] <enthusi> 100% silent
[20:45] <bLiNdRaGe> hmmm
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[20:45] <enthusi> low power at home
[20:46] <bLiNdRaGe> haha the power doesn't concern me, the office pays for that
[20:46] <bLiNdRaGe> i'd still have to use my laptop for skype
[20:46] <enthusi> vnc is handy in either case since I can access it from work as well
[20:46] <bLiNdRaGe> we have overseas contacts
[20:46] <enthusi> ah ok
[20:46] <enthusi> nothing skype-like that runs on pi?
[20:46] <enthusi> it should be able to handle it
[20:46] <megaproxy> im sure there will be voip programs
[20:46] <bLiNdRaGe> it sounds awesome, but i'd still have my work laptop...prob but i do healthcare
[20:46] <megaproxy> sip bassed etc
[20:46] <bLiNdRaGe> hipaa requires secure connections
[20:46] <megaproxy> id quite like to set up a pi as a pbx
[20:47] <bLiNdRaGe> i doubt any of the opensource ones are as easy to set up and are allowed
[20:47] <bLiNdRaGe> we use go-to-meeting for some of the stuff
[20:47] <scummos> is there software which uses the raspberry pi GPIOs as an arm JTAG programmer?
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[20:48] <megaproxy> http://www.raspberry-asterisk.org/
[20:48] <megaproxy> ohwow
[20:48] <bLiNdRaGe> pi is finally working
[20:48] <bLiNdRaGe> bbiab =)
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[20:53] <plugwash> scummos, not that I know of but if you find software with bitbang jtag support on some other interface (e.g. paralell port) it shouldn't be too hard to convert
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[20:54] <scummos> plugwash: hm, alright...
[20:55] * rikkib has a ARM-USB-OCD-H that I run on Linux
[20:56] <scummos> my situation is this, I have basically nothing than an arm cortex M0 microcontroller (LPC1110) and I'm looking for the simplest way to program it
[20:56] <scummos> "program" as in "transfer a binary to the chip"
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[20:57] <rikkib> A linux machine, eclipse and the JTag interface from Olimex
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[20:57] <rikkib> That is what I use
[20:57] <scummos> how much is the jtag interface?
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[20:58] <rikkib> I doubt a RPi would run Eclipse
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[20:58] <scummos> rikkib: it's not like I couldn't run a few CLI commands ;)
[20:58] <rikkib> Cost me $150 NZD
[20:58] <scummos> hm ok, that's quite a bit of money for something that I'll not use too frequently probably...
[20:59] * plugwash hasn't tried eclipse on the Pi but suspects it would be more a case of crawl than run
[20:59] <rikkib> I also have an old parallel interface but never used it
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[20:59] <spling> wtf I heard you can't say wtf in here and I had to come see if it was true
[20:59] <spling> pfft. not true
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[21:00] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!*@*.ss.shawcable.net
[21:00] <scummos> lolol
[21:00] <rikkib> lol
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[21:00] <scummos> hmm. so I won't get around a jtag interface?
[21:00] <scummos> i.e. buying one
[21:01] <rubiconjosh> Has anyone tried using a 720p webcam with a Pi? I am reading 640x480 can be too much for the CPU to keep up with, however I run my Pi without a monitor and just want to send the webcam video over my LAN to my desktop.
[21:01] <scummos> if it's really 150 bucks then I'll build one ;)
[21:01] <rikkib> Correct
[21:01] <scummos> ok, thanks!
[21:02] <rikkib> Well... There is an alternative for some devel boards such as the STM32V which I use
[21:02] * IT_Sean sets mode -b *!*@*.ss.shawcable.net
[21:02] <rikkib> It has a serail boot loader
[21:02] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!(spling@*.ss.shawcable.net
[21:03] <IT_Sean> whoops
[21:03] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!spling@*.ss.shawcable.net
[21:03] * IT_Sean sets mode -b *!(spling@*.ss.shawcable.net
[21:03] <shiftplusone> got there in the end
[21:03] <pronto> ban all the things
[21:03] * aDro sets ban on all the things
[21:03] * IT_Sean sets ban on aDro
[21:03] * shiftplusone sets a ban on IT_Sean
[21:03] <aDro> The power, she consumes me
[21:03] * pronto bans the bans
[21:03] <pronto> KA-BOOM
[21:03] * IT_Sean sets ban on shiftplusone
[21:03] <IT_Sean> :p
[21:03] * Armand bans the internet.... I win!
[21:04] <erska> rubiconjosh: seemed to work okay when I tried with mjpg-streamer, I think it used about 15% CPU at 1280x720 @ 30fps
[21:04] * IT_Sean sets ban on *@*.*
[21:04] <shiftplusone> I think pronto won that one
[21:04] * pronto bans Armand FROM the internet
[21:04] * Armand evades!
[21:04] <pronto> shiftplusone: i always win...expcept when i try to get iptables to do thi ngs
[21:04] <pronto> then it's like HAYOUFAIL
[21:04] <pronto> :(
[21:04] * IT_Sean sets ban on Armand's mum
[21:04] <erska> although I didn't get 30fps all the time, I think
[21:04] <pronto> can't touch this
[21:04] <IT_Sean> >>
[21:04] <IT_Sean> <.<
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[21:04] <erska> it was a while ago, but mjpg-streamer gave the best results
[21:04] * Armand bans IT_Sean from humping my mother. ?_?
[21:05] <shiftplusone> Wth just happened to this channel!?
[21:05] <rubiconjosh> erska, thank you I will look into mjpg-streamer
[21:05] <IT_Sean> aaaaalright... let's just leave that one alone
[21:05] <Armand> :P
[21:05] <IT_Sean> mooooving along
[21:05] <Mortvert> IT_Sean - *@*.* won't work
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[21:05] <erska> rubiconjosh: it streams video only, if you want audio too it requires some other software too I think
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[21:06] <rubiconjosh> erska, I am going for video only, I have OpenCV with CUDA support on my desktop so I plan on streaming video from the webcam on the Pi to my desktop for processing then sending steering commands over the network to the Pi which sends them out its serial interface to a motor controller
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[21:07] <scummos> rikkib: just to make sure, I don't need any debugging or testing capabilities -- do I still need the full JTAG interface, or is there a simple alternative?
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[21:08] <rikkib> Unless the lpc has a serial boot loader you are stuck
[21:08] <scummos> alright :(
[21:08] <scummos> what's this "ISP", is it a defined protocol, or just a general... word?
[21:08] <rikkib> Serial boot load is slow... Jtag very fast...
[21:08] <scummos> okay
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[21:09] <rikkib> ISP I thank = serial boot loader
[21:10] <scummos> ah, alright.
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[21:10] <rikkib> What is the model of devel board you have?
[21:10] <scummos> I just have this thing lying around here http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1524904.pdf and I'd like to use it ;)
[21:10] <rikkib> Give me a min to check it out
[21:11] <scummos> sure, thanks for help!
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[21:12] <no_maam> hi
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[21:13] <rikkib> That is the data sheet for the processor... There must be a model of devel board?
[21:13] <scummos> hm, devel board? I have the processor -- as a chip ;)
[21:13] <scummos> this QFN thing
[21:13] <scummos> no wiring or anything yet, I'll do that myself
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[21:14] <rikkib> Ahhh I that case you need JTAG I would think but not sure... Some arms come with serial boot loader per-programed
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[21:15] <rikkib> per-programed
[21:15] <rikkib> ahhhh
[21:15] <rikkib> pre
[21:15] <Hodapp> pre-programmed*
[21:15] <scummos> ;)
[21:16] <scummos> datasheet says "in-system and in-application programming via on-chip bootloader software", so it sounds like this one supports that.
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[21:16] <scummos> what would communication with a computer look like then?
[21:17] <rikkib> In that case all you need is something like a pl2303
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[21:17] <rikkib> $20 or so
[21:17] <scummos> looks like an... USB to RS232 converter?
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[21:18] <rikkib> And an adapter board from someone like schmart board
[21:18] <scummos> hmm, what's the RS232 for? is it just used for toggling the individual pins?
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[21:19] <rikkib> Thats what the boot loader uses
[21:19] <rikkib> serial bootloader
[21:19] <scummos> ah! I understand
[21:19] <rikkib> Go for it... That is a great way to get started
[21:20] <scummos> yeah, especially since I have plenty of USB -> RS232 connectors here... :D
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[21:20] <rikkib> You will also need a cross compiler
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[21:20] <scummos> yeah, not an issue. "it's in the repos" ;)
[21:20] <scummos> I guess avrgcc will do
[21:21] <rikkib> Probably
[21:21] <scummos> and -- sorry, one last question -- what program would I use to do the actual programming then? avrdude?
[21:21] <martk100> I am attempting to run enlightenment desktop on Archlinux. I get _ecore_con_event_server_error. This seems to a segmentation fault. Anyone any ideas how to solve it?
[21:22] <scummos> martk100: maybe start e17 from gdb?
[21:22] <scummos> hm probably not, since it says "avr" ;)
[21:23] <martk100> scummos: How do I do that. I am using xinit followed by enlightenment_start.
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[21:24] <bumbar> how many cores does cpu in pi have?
[21:24] <Geleia> 1
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[21:24] <rikkib> So you hook the serial - usb converter to the serial port of the chip. have a switch to set the mode lines to allow bootloading and away you go
[21:25] <scummos> rikkib: right. but is there a tool for writing the program data to the serial port from the computer?
[21:25] <scummos> I mean, I could just dd it there, but that sounds weird ;)
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[21:25] <rikkib> Any debugging has to be done in code and using the serial port for output to a console
[21:25] <scummos> yeah... that's what JTAG would give me over this I guess
[21:25] <scummos> better debugging
[21:25] <rikkib> Yes
[21:26] <rikkib> Linux and probably win
[21:26] <scummos> I'm using linux anyways
[21:26] <rikkib> Trying to remember what it is called
[21:26] <scummos> but still, I'm missing this one step in my mind, I write a program, then I compile it into object code with avrgcc, then I do the wiring and then...?
[21:26] <scummos> what do I run to get the program flashed onto the processor, to phrase it like a beginner ;)
[21:27] <rikkib> I have used it to make sure it could be done from the RPi for my stm32v boards
[21:28] * rikkib is old (52) and a stroke survivor... My memory not all that great sometimes
[21:28] <scummos> hehe ;)
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[21:28] <rikkib> I am sure a search will find the the Raspbian package
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[21:29] <rikkib> armloader or armflash
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[21:29] <rikkib> It eludes me atm
[21:29] <bLiNdRaGe> say i want to try different things with my rasp pi, what's the best way to make a literal image of the sdcard....dd ?
[21:29] <scummos> rikkib: "aur/stm32blctl-git"
[21:30] <scummos> "Open source tool used to program flash for the STM32 ARM processors using the ST bootloader."
[21:30] <rikkib> That does not ring a bell
[21:30] <scummos> but it says STM32, is that the right processor family? doesn't sound like it
[21:30] <scummos> hm alright
[21:31] <rikkib> There will probably one for the lpc which is very similar
[21:31] <rikkib> STM32 is armv8 M3 cortex
[21:32] <scummos> alright, so not what I have
[21:32] <shiftplusone> Does the file system make much of a difference to disk writting speed? Assuming big files and comparing ext to ntfs.
[21:32] <scummos> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lpc21isp/ this one looks right
[21:32] <rikkib> The thing is the loader works on a protocol
[21:33] <scummos> yeah, sounds reasonable ;)
[21:33] <rikkib> Which is probably the same across several versions of Cortex
[21:34] <rikkib> The only diff between m3 and m0 would be a few instructions
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[21:34] <scummos> okay
[21:34] <rikkib> and maybe reg layout and functionality of modules
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[21:35] <scummos> hm, but register layout will not affect the flash tool, will it?
[21:35] <rikkib> No
[21:35] <scummos> that's the compiler's work to do
[21:35] <rikkib> Yep
[21:35] <scummos> alright! so now I can go design my board layout ;)
[21:36] <scummos> (I'm trying to build an USB function generator using a DAC)
[21:36] <rikkib> You are onto it... I am sure with what you know it will not be hard to work out...
[21:36] <scummos> yeah I hope so, thanks! :)
[21:36] <rikkib> If I can just give me a yell and I can try to help you on the way
[21:37] <scummos> that's great, thank you very much
[21:37] <rikkib> I am in NZ so GMT +12
[21:37] <scummos> oh dear, GMT +12... I'm GMT +1 ;)
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[21:37] <rikkib> ie 9:30am now
[21:37] <scummos> 21:30
[21:37] <scummos> (the one missing hour is "winter time" probably)
[21:38] <rikkib> Actually gmt -13 atm sumer time
[21:38] <rikkib> +13
[21:38] <scummos> ah, alright
[21:39] <rikkib> I live in front of my PC and it beeps if you use my nick
[21:39] <scummos> well, I do have quite some experience with programming and hard/software in general, and a bit of experience with electronics, I just never really worked with microcontrollers so far
[21:39] <scummos> it beeps? nice :D
[21:39] <rikkib> xchat
[21:39] * scummos is using konversation
[21:39] <scummos> you can configure it to beep too but I'm personally a bit annoyed by stuff beeping
[21:40] <scummos> vi is bad enough :)
[21:40] <axion> who needs gui for text?
[21:40] <axion> hehe
[21:40] <rikkib> That is if I am not on site... And I have been assigning Thursday to do work in the city (Auckland)
[21:40] <IT_Sean> irssi ftw
[21:40] <scummos> you get more colors for highlighting the text
[21:40] <axion> weechat > irssi
[21:40] <IT_Sean> irssi > *
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[21:40] <axion> proof?
[21:40] * scummos is happy with konversation
[21:40] <axion> hehe
[21:40] <axion> i can proove my argument
[21:41] * shiftplusone is quite content with hexchat =/
[21:41] <Armand> hex-lax ?
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[21:41] * FrankBlues likes Xchat. I know.
[21:41] <rikkib> Bench service work at a friends PC recycle company... He gets lots of other stuff such as audio and radio stuff that i fix or test and flog off
[21:41] <scummos> real programmers use netcat for IRC
[21:41] <scummos> (try it, it works quite well in fact)
[21:41] <scummos> rikkib: sounds like fun!
[21:41] <axion> netcat was fun
[21:41] <axion> so is emacs for irc
[21:41] <scummos> haha
[21:41] <axion> but i prefer weechat
[21:42] <pronto> irssi!
[21:42] <pronto> <wars>
[21:42] <IT_Sean> </wars>
[21:42] <axion> weechat is irssi and more
[21:42] <IT_Sean> or not
[21:42] <pronto> xD
[21:42] <axion> haha
[21:42] <rikkib> He just gave me a Hitachi V1050F 100MHz scope so I have two scopes now.
[21:42] <scummos> netcat can do everything xchat can do too
[21:42] <scummos> rikkib: what's your other one?
[21:43] <rikkib> Voltcraft 30MHz dual chan
[21:43] <FrankBlues> Tired of wars. Distro wars. Client wars. Browser wars. Editor wars. All useless, in the end.
[21:43] <rikkib> Model 630
[21:43] <pronto> http://blog.chromium.org/2013/01/native-client-support-on-arm.html
[21:44] <axion> agreed, was just trolling. use what works best for you for the task at hand
[21:44] <axion> thats why i use vista
[21:44] <scummos> rikkib: alright, no digital scope for uc work? ;)
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[21:44] <scummos> FrankBlues: try IDE wars
[21:45] <FrankBlues> I'm gonna start using plan 9 on pi for *everything*. Once I can figure out how it works.
[21:45] <FrankBlues> (That should have had some <sarcasm> </sarcasm> tags around it.)
[21:45] <rikkib> No... Not that rich... If I were i would have a spec analyzer
[21:45] <axion> i like wmii for its use of p9p
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[21:46] <rikkib> Extra money goes no stuff for my Ham shack
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[21:46] <scummos> heh
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[21:47] <pronto> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_NvDTZIaS4
[21:47] <rikkib> $800 MFJ 269 antenna analyzer being one of the handies things I have
[21:48] <scummos> what's it, SWR meter and freq counter?
[21:48] <rikkib> Think I have about ten grand tied up on my high power radio station... The other side of the world is no prob at all... :)
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[21:49] <scummos> nice :D
[21:49] <IT_Sean> Nice.
[21:49] <FrankBlues> I've had trouble with MFJ stuff being real junk - with the major exception of their antenna analyzers.
[21:49] <IT_Sean> That's a lot to spend on radio kit. :p
[21:49] <rikkib> Yep swr and all that
[21:50] <rikkib> It is the source to allow me to tune up my system without causing interference on the bands... Dummy load at 800W continuous.
[21:50] <rikkib> Amp does 600+W PEP
[21:50] <scummos> at what frequency is that?
[21:51] <rikkib> 5 element tri band yagi
[21:51] <rikkib> 160 meters to 10 meters
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[21:51] <rikkib> All the HF ham bands
[21:51] <scummos> you can build yagi antennas for 160 meters? aren't they like huge?
[21:52] <rikkib> Wire antenna to cover the bands not covered by the tri bander... 20-15-10 meters
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[21:52] <scummos> ok
[21:52] <FrankBlues> I have a friend with a SteppIR... need to go over to his house and play radio more often... ;)
[21:53] <rikkib> One has to run vertical unless you have lots of space for 160m
[21:53] <scummos> yeah sure
[21:53] <rikkib> My longest antenna does 80 meter
[21:53] <FrankBlues> SteppIR = variable dimension yagi...
[21:53] <rikkib> OCF dipole
[21:54] <rikkib> and $4K to land here
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[21:54] <scummos> heh
[21:54] <rikkib> that is stepper
[21:55] <scummos> I'm trying to do some radio astronomy at 408 MHz (73cm)... that's quite similar to the 432MHz ham stuff
[21:55] <scummos> except for that it doesn't need any power at all
[21:55] <rikkib> You can tell who runs a stepper... They are the strongest sigs on the bands
[21:55] <scummos> ok
[21:56] <rikkib> I run a Kenwood TS2000 $3.3K
[21:56] <rikkib> All bands 160m - 70cm
[21:56] <scummos> yeah that kind of stuff isn't cheap ;)
[21:57] <rikkib> G1000 rotor $1,500
[21:57] <FrankBlues> iirc the TS2k can take a 1.2ghz module as well.
[21:57] <rikkib> I do not have that
[21:58] <rikkib> Nothing happening in NZ on that band really
[21:58] <FrankBlues> I haven't been playing with radio in a long time. Fired up the scanner this morning because we had really bad freezing rain here and wanted to know what was going on locally.
[21:59] <rikkib> Have some tube gear for 1.2 gig but that is one of those round2it projects
[21:59] <FrankBlues> I've thought about compiling jnos (TCP/IP over ham radio) for the pi and playing around with some long distance networking stuff.
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[22:00] * rikkib breakfast time
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[22:01] <rstrt> Is there a Office solution for the Pi running Rasbian?
[22:01] <rstrt> Like open office or something equivelent
[22:01] <Hodapp> OpenOffice probably runs, just very slowly.
[22:03] <mjr> one might suggest gnumeric for spreadsheets and abiword for word processing as somewhat lighter options
[22:03] <Hodapp> yes.
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[22:03] <Hodapp> or LyX for document editing because frankly I hate the WYSIWYG model in word processors
[22:04] <mjr> don't know really if open/libreoffice runs tolerably, didn't try it. They'll certainly _work_, but how fast...
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[22:04] <axion> or latex/sc
[22:05] <mjr> wait, scratch the "certainly", there was some funkiness involved in libreoffice porting, I'm not sure if it's available for arm
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[22:05] <Hodapp> LyX exports to LaTeX but gives a nicer GUI
[22:05] <Hodapp> but I ran it way back when on a Pentium
[22:05] <axion> why do you need a gui for text markup?
[22:06] <Hodapp> axion: For common tasks, it greatly simplifies a lot of things.
[22:06] <Hodapp> seeing near-instant results on equations is also pretty handy.
[22:08] <axion> nothing vim could not do
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[22:15] <plugwash> There is a libreoffice package in raspbian and supposedly it works
[22:15] <plugwash> how well it works I don't know
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[22:16] <mjr> Yeah, well, one can always try. It might not be horrible on the 512M model.
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[22:18] <ciboulette> i can't get the keyboard working on my RPi, some indicators are working, but there is no input at all
[22:18] <ciboulette> any ideas what's going on?
[22:19] <axion> yup
[22:19] <axion> power
[22:19] <ciboulette> axion: was my first thought to, but now i have a proper 1.2A power supply
[22:19] <axion> wireless?
[22:20] <ciboulette> eh? wireless power supply?
[22:20] <axion> kb
[22:20] <ciboulette> no, the keyboard is powered
[22:20] <ciboulette> according to the specs it should do with 75mA
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[22:20] <ciboulette> which should be well within range of the Pi usb port
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[22:20] <axion> which model?
[22:20] <ciboulette> logitech elite
[22:21] <Eliatrope> My keyboard transmitter reboots the Pi if I plug it. If I turn Pi on when it's plugged, input is very laggish. But it has no problems when transmitter is plugged into a non-powered hub.
[22:22] <axion> a few have had problems with that keyboard. i think if you re-modprobe the driver it fixes it
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[22:22] <ciboulette> trouble is that it is very, very hard to do much with your computer when you don't have a keyboard
[22:22] <axion> thats what ssh is for
[22:23] <ciboulette> if i had a working setup with ssh running, yes
[22:24] <ciboulette> i.e. if had actually managed to more than boot the computer and look at the nice installer screen
[22:24] <axion> most distros have ssh enabled on first boot. i never attached a kb or mouse or monitor to my pi
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[22:25] <ciboulette> most *distros* don't ship a bootable system at all...
[22:25] <axion> flash sd, boot, ssh, modprobe, done
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[22:26] <ciboulette> axion: that way will forever prevent me from ever installing a system properly however
[22:26] <axion> what?
[22:27] <axion> you make no ense
[22:27] <ciboulette> sigh
[22:27] <ciboulette> i
[22:27] <ciboulette> do
[22:27] <ciboulette> not
[22:27] <ciboulette> want
[22:27] <ciboulette> to
[22:27] <ciboulette> run
[22:27] <ciboulette> a
[22:27] <ciboulette> SD image
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[22:27] * Mortvert hands Armand a frying pan
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[22:27] <Armand> Ooohhh!!
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, latex ftw...
[22:28] * Armand thwaps ciboulette with the hot frying pan!
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, I run LaTeX on the Pi too - my BASIC reference manual is all LaTeX.
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[22:30] <rikkib> Going to be another hot day in NZ... 38 deg C on the sensor in direct sunlight. Already 28 deg c in here with the door open...
[22:30] <axion> meanwhile it's -57 here with the windchill
[22:30] <rikkib> wow
[22:31] <rikkib> You live in Antarctica
[22:31] <Hodapp> I'm in Ohio, which means it might be 80 F and -10 F in the same day just to mess with you.
[22:31] <axion> NY, USA. visiting north dakota
[22:32] <axion> yeah NY too can have all 4 seasons in the same week
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[22:32] <Hodapp> pffft, we get them in the same day
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[22:32] <axion> well yeah
[22:32] <axion> was 50 the other day...and -20 at night
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[22:32] <rikkib> Todays mission. Set up the gateway server remotely with motion to grab and proxy the internal RPi cam at clients place...
[22:33] <Joeboy> Would anybody, eg. maybe gordonDrogon, be able to suggest a suitable audio adc for hooking up to the pi? I'm not very good at hardware.
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[22:37] <steve_rox> one thing about unboxing vids , they show you whats possibly missing from your kit when you have to return it and how to properly box it :-D
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[22:39] <vlt> Hello. Does anyone know how to start the xbmc GUI from a console on raspbmc?
[22:39] <Zelest> what's "the" mp3 player people use on the Pi?
[22:39] <vlt> ylt|offline: Maybe mpd
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[22:40] <Gordio> Zelest, moc, cmus, mpg123, mplayer
[22:40] <Torikun> I gave up on Gentoo, ARCH FTW
[22:40] <axion> there is no 'the' player. but many are great on the pi
[22:40] <Torikun> Gentoo so much better on Desktop
[22:40] <Torikun> than Pi
[22:40] <axion> especially my fav 4 listed above
[22:41] <Zelest> Gordio, cheers
[22:41] <axion> Torikun: gee, what gave that away? lol
[22:41] <shiftplusone> Torikun, welcome back to the people who prefer to do sane things club.
[22:41] <axion> lol
[22:41] <Torikun> lol
[22:41] <Torikun> On my laptop, compiling is fast
[22:41] <Torikun> not that big of a deal
[22:42] <axion> what provoked that statement then
[22:42] * rikkib wonders what would be a good port to use for a web cam... Port 8081 as per motions default is not a good choice as the tproxy port gets hit by google search engine.
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[22:42] <axion> why not 80?
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[22:45] <aDroPi> ;)
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[22:45] <rikkib> 80 is in use
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[22:46] <axion> set up your port 80 server to 'mount' your other 'server' under a path, with robots.txt and no linkage
[22:46] <rikkib> 8082 to 8085 is not listed in wiki... 8082 would be easy to remember for the client as he already uses 8081 to view the cam internally...
[22:46] <axion> and only bind the webcam server to your local interface
[22:48] <rikkib> That is sort of what I do... I provide http interface to view the cam and also a port such as 8081 to view the raw stream
[22:48] <aDroPi> How do I configure irrsi?
[22:48] <aDroPi> irssi*
[22:48] <axion> /set
[22:48] <rikkib> I need to change 8081 to 8082 to stop google proxy scanner hitting the cam on 8081
[22:48] <axion> or use weechat, it has a menu-driven configuration and more features than irssi
[22:48] <aDroPi> nice, ty
[22:49] <rikkib> google scum lists open proxies and uses that info to block
[22:50] <axion> aha raw stream...is that for over your network or the wider internet?
[22:50] * rikkib is starting to dislike google practices... I have to block the googlebot from continually grabbing the same files over and over again from my ftp server
[22:50] <rikkib> wide area
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[22:51] <axion> ftp is so insecure. also another un-needed port open
[22:51] <axion> just use sftp or scp
[22:51] <Torikun> iptables ftw!
[22:51] <rikkib> I have lots of data sheets and stuff for my users... my zlham.geek.nz web site
[22:52] <axion> any ftp client can connect to ssh these days
[22:52] <axion> the same as ftp
[22:52] <rikkib> yeah... i sue sftp lots for admin stuff but the ftp server is for the purpose stated
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> Joeboy, get a USB one.
[22:53] <axion> doesnt specify why you prefer clear text
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[22:53] <gordonDrogon> Joeboy, ie. a usb soundcard. sampling with accurate timing an ADC for audio might be challenging.
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[22:54] <gabriel_> hello
[22:54] <gabriel_> my Rpi stuck during boot, what can i do?
[22:55] <axion> stuck where?
[22:55] <Torikun> plug into monitor or ssh in
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[22:55] <axion> that wont work if it never booted and became stuck in the process as he said 'during' boot
[22:55] <gabriel_> yeah of course
[22:56] <gabriel_> it stuck after
[22:56] <gabriel_> smsc95xx USB 2.0 Ethernet, MACADDRESS
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[22:56] <gabriel_> it discover all the usb device, then it stuck
[22:57] <axion> disconnect them all, and retry
[22:57] <Mortvert> Ngh- why RS doesn't keep it's promises and send despatch mails?!
[22:57] <gabriel_> no one is connected
[22:57] <gabriel_> ethernet it is, but i cannon disconnect it
[22:57] <gabriel_> *ethernet is
[22:57] <axion> sounds like your kernel is booting and not passing over to systemd/init
[22:57] <axion> ie, no userland
[22:57] <gabriel_> yeah
[22:57] <gabriel_> with 3 different sd card
[22:58] <gabriel_> everytime stuck at that point
[22:58] <axion> how exactly did you flash the cards? command
[22:58] <gabriel_> dd if=blabla.img of=/dev/sdb
[22:58] <gabriel_> and another argument =1M
[22:58] <gabriel_> don't remember the name
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[23:00] <axion> do you have another power supply to try? or a usb port nearby to power from? (pc, tv, etc) ?
[23:00] <gabriel_> i can provide 5v to the gpio
[23:00] <gabriel_> but it is the same
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[23:01] <gabriel_> usb cable from desktop pc -> the same
[23:01] <axion> you should get a kernel panic if the rootfs cant be found...hmm
[23:01] <gabriel_> usb cable from desktop pc -> the same
[23:02] <axion> just for giggles ensure /boot/cmdline.txt is point to the correct root device
[23:02] <gabriel_> the sd cards were working 'till now
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[23:02] <rikkib> http://122.61.65.146:8081
[23:03] <axion> ah, could be corrupt then.
[23:03] <gabriel_> ?
[23:03] <rikkib> Truck just arrived to pick up the 40 foot container that was filled over the last few days
[23:03] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: Not running linux, innit :-)
[23:03] <Joeboy> So no usb
[23:04] <axion> gabriel_: do you have a thumb drive or something to copy the rootfs to?
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[23:04] <gabriel_> yeah
[23:04] <rikkib> Man that is pretty good quality out of a 320x240 cam... Pretty colours
[23:05] <axion> gabriel_: you might try that to ensure it isnt an sd problem...then edit /boot/cmdline.txt to point to that device for root
[23:05] <gabriel_> it has no sense... i have 3 working sd card
[23:06] <gabriel_> the one i were using could be corrupted
[23:06] <gabriel_> not the other 2
[23:06] <axion> could be a software problem though
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[23:06] <rikkib> The gray haired guy wondering around is the boss
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> Joeboy, you're not running Linux? barebones?
[23:07] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: yeah
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[23:08] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: We were talking about my midi player thing the other day
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> Joeboy, well you still need a timing source.
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> plenty of SPI ADCs out there.
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[23:09] <gabriel_> axion, how can i find the name of that device?
[23:09] <Joeboy> Does it make sense to just buy one and hope I can get it working?
[23:09] <Joeboy> I don't really know what I'm doing :-)
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> biggest issue might be sampling stereo - you really need to run 2 concurrently or they'll be marginally off. it might not matter though.
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> SPI is easy to interface to.
[23:10] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: do dual ones not sync their channels automatically?
[23:10] <Joeboy> seems weird to have to do it externally to the adc
[23:10] <axion> gabriel_: when you insert it, dmesg will say
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> Joeboy, the only dual ones I've seen need 2 SPI ports.
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[23:10] <Joeboy> Oh ok
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[23:11] <no_maam> hi
[23:11] <no_maam> I just installed xbmc on my raspberry pi
[23:11] <no_maam> previously, I was using mpd
[23:12] * mark_vh curses at his sd card full of damaged blocks
[23:12] <gabriel_> exist RMA for RPi ?
[23:12] <no_maam> What would you suggest, replace mpd with xbmc, or should I keep on using it in parallel?
[23:12] <axion> no_maam: for just music?
[23:12] <no_maam> I assume xbmc is not a great choice, when you want the full user interface on a differnet device like an androind phone?
[23:12] <no_maam> axion: yes, sometimes I would just like to listen to music, without switching my tv on
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[23:13] <no_maam> axion: and control it with gmpc from my pc or with an android app
[23:13] <axion> xbmc puts unecessary load on the gpu and cpu if just using it for music
[23:13] <axion> you dont need to see music, anyway
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[23:14] <axion> client/server model of mpd makes more sense in your scenario
[23:15] <no_maam> axion: I assume there is also no nice way for having the control of xbmc somewhere else while my tv is switched off?
[23:16] <axion> there is
[23:16] <axion> xbmc settings. enable web control
[23:16] <axion> point remote pc to url
[23:16] <no_maam> yes, but the control there is not so great
[23:16] <no_maam> I mean I cannot even use my host pc keyboard to enter something
[23:16] <axion> indeed
[23:16] <no_maam> or is there a way in the web interface how I can enter for example a band name?
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[23:18] <axion> there are third-party addons for different web interfaces, but i have ot tested them
[23:18] <axion> also i havent used the default much, so i dont know
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[23:22] <LilSnoop4> question, do you need a keyboard to setup your raspberry pi?
[23:22] <shiftplusone> Nope, you can ssh in
[23:23] <LilSnoop4> k, is there a guide i just got my board so need to put all together
[23:23] <LilSnoop4> can't wait
[23:23] <shiftplusone> what OS do you want to access your pi from?
[23:23] <gabriel_> axion, ok... my usb drive looks like dead
[23:23] <gabriel_> what can i do?
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[23:24] <LilSnoop4> windows 7
[23:24] <shiftplusone> Look up 'PuTTY'
[23:24] <axion> we already established your pi is not getting past the kernel, so you have to move to a different machine
[23:24] <LilSnoop4> have it already
[23:24] <shiftplusone> then you're set
[23:25] <axion> preferably one with an sd card reader
[23:25] <gabriel_> ok
[23:25] <gabriel_> i haveit
[23:25] <LilSnoop4> k, i will you be here in a little
[23:25] <LilSnoop4> gonna put togher
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[23:25] <LilSnoop4> together
[23:25] <shiftplusone> Yeah, but anyone will be able to answer relevant questions if I am afk a bit.
[23:25] <LilSnoop4> great thx
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[23:27] <shiftplusone> Basically, follow the guide to get you sdcard flashed, plug it in, connect your pi to the network and power it up. Wait a while, then figure out the IP (by checking your router, though the default hostname 'raspberrypi' on raspbian may work as well if your router supports it) and enter that ip into putty.
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[23:33] <gabriel_> axion, ?
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[23:34] <axion> yes?
[23:34] <gabriel_> can i do something ? or just throw it?
[23:35] <axion> throw it, then try to RMA it
[23:35] <axion> or keep hacking and discover the problem
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[23:36] <gabriel_> i'm tring with serial
[23:37] <axion> try another distribution.
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[23:37] <axion> there may be a firmware/kernel compatibility issue
[23:38] <axion> could be just about anything. more diagnosis is needed
[23:38] <gabriel_> yeah but it always worked...
[23:38] <axion> so?
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[23:39] <gabriel_> it has been damaged by?
[23:39] <gabriel_> le me that connect gpio header in a wrong way, maybe
[23:39] <gabriel_> or using the serial without max3232
[23:39] <axion> software changes often. bad blocks do occur.
[23:39] <gabriel_> :/
[23:40] <gabriel_> bad blocks on 3 different sd card?
[23:40] <gabriel_> hw issue is more probably
[23:40] <axion> power line can have interference. too many factors
[23:40] <rstrt> Could be gremlins.
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[23:41] <mark_vh> axion: are you running any programs that do many writes to the sd?
[23:41] <axion> i dont write to the sd at all
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[23:41] <axion> it houses my /boot partition only
[23:42] <axion> why are you asking?
[23:42] <mark_vh> just dealing with sd card with damaged blocks as well, so i was curious if there are any similarities between our setups
[23:43] <axion> mark_vh: i went to /boot only 6 months ago after 6 (yes 6) damaged sd cards. havent had one since
[23:43] <axion> it is also considerably faster with the rootfs on an SSD
[23:43] <gabriel_> also me... 2 or 3 damaged sd card
[23:43] <Mortvert> how do you guys keep damaging yer SD cards?
[23:43] <gabriel_> but the shop changed it :D
[23:44] <axion> there are some pi versions that are not so great
[23:44] <gabriel_> :/
[23:45] <dape> axion grep -i revision /proc/cpuinfo please
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[23:45] <axion> mark_vh: please dont pm. ask here so everyone can see
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[23:46] <axion> 1000003
[23:46] <mark_vh> axion: in your previous setup, before moving to only /boot from sd, did you do intensive writing to the sd cards, or do you suspect another issue breaking them?
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[23:46] <BaroMeter> is there a solution for it, when the rasberry wont start at all....
[23:46] <axion> mark_vh: no, actually. sometimes it would corrupt on just reading (many times during boot with extensive file reading)
[23:46] <gabriel_> BaroMeter, what?
[23:47] <BaroMeter> gabriel_, I only have a red power led, and nothing more happens.
[23:47] <gabriel_> tryed with other sd card?
[23:48] <BaroMeter> gabriel_, I have also done sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx
[23:48] <gabriel_> i got a red led only when the sd is corrupted
[23:48] <BaroMeter> gabriel_, Idon't ha another SD at the moment
[23:48] <gabriel_> probably it is corrupted
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[23:48] <axion> BaroMeter: red led means the proper boot files cannot be found, or sd cannot be read from
[23:48] <gabriel_> yeah
[23:49] <BaroMeter> axion, the card works fine on my laptop so :-)
[23:49] <gabriel_> mine works good on some sd reader
[23:49] <gabriel_> only on some
[23:49] <BaroMeter> ok, strange
[23:49] <axion> BaroMeter: on one of my pi's i have to foribly push the sd card in more ocassionally, despite it seeming intact or i get that
[23:50] <axion> also, ensure the /boot partition has the needed files
[23:50] <axion> and that the sd is actually on the supported hardware list
[23:50] <BaroMeter> it worked like 1h ago
[23:51] <Torikun> I jsut had another random filesystem corruption on the Pi
[23:51] <Torikun> and it is not overclocked
[23:51] <Mortvert> axion - i don't think that SD card has anything to do with it.
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[23:51] <Mortvert> (I mean, if it's on supported hardware list or not)
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[23:51] <BaroMeter> overclocked to 900MHz only
[23:51] <Mortvert> Torikun - do you unplug the pi from power without halting?
[23:51] <axion> you could have tripped the thermoresistor
[23:52] <Torikun> Mortvert: no
[23:52] <Torikun> journal supposed to help with that anyways right
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[23:52] <Mortvert> Journal doesn't always work, you know
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[23:53] <BaroMeter> gona run sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx and see if it helps
[23:53] <Mortvert> If things break in linux, they break like a firework show
[23:54] <Torikun> yup\
[23:54] <Torikun> lol
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