#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-31

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:00] <double-you> wow, getting tp-link wn821n to work was so easy
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[1:01] <Redex> ?
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[1:02] <brguy> ?
[1:03] <pronto> ?
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[1:04] <Redex> its irc but not as i remember it
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[1:08] <brguy> Redex, we are not in 1997. Deatl with it.
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[1:08] <brguy> *Deal
[1:10] <Redex> haha for sure!
[1:11] * WeeJeWel (~WeeJeWel@ Quit (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)
[1:11] <brguy> and lots of people are in this channel just for curiosity about raspberry pi
[1:11] <Redex> me too
[1:12] <Redex> connected using the pi just now
[1:12] <brguy> yes, I think if you want "old IRC" should look in another servers, like Rizon
[1:12] <brguy> are you here via pi? haha nice
[1:12] <Redex> was looking into setting up a IRC at home for noveltys sake
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[1:12] <Aebleskiver> I think it should have been called Blueberry Pi though
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[1:12] <brguy> Aebleskiver, why?
[1:13] <Aebleskiver> They have the most antioxidants of the common fruits, so it would have promoted health issues better
[1:13] <brguy> blueberry isn't known in my country lol
[1:13] <brguy> nobody eats it here
[1:14] <Aebleskiver> It's pretty nice
[1:14] <Aebleskiver> I like raspberries too, of course
[1:14] <ChaozHenchman> what about Cranberry Pi?
[1:14] <brguy> huehuehue
[1:14] <brguy> raspberry is quite good.
[1:15] <Aebleskiver> Ahh yeah, that would be good as well
[1:15] <brguy> how about blackberry? xD
[1:15] * Redex chuckles
[1:15] <brguy> and then we should say: lol motorola, our blackberry is better
[1:16] <ChaozHenchman> well at least they're getting physical keyboards again
[1:16] <Redex> maybe someone more savvy could hookup a blackberry keypad to the rpi
[1:16] <Aebleskiver> I have the HTC Desire Z (also known as G2) for my phone
[1:16] <Redex> I would pay to see that
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[1:17] <brguy> Redex, huehuehue
[1:18] <Redex> im still in the early days of pi-dom and linux/python
[1:18] <Redex> my next venture is to set up a buzzer alarm clock
[1:19] <Redex> got it to work on an LED but need to brush up on electronics and find a candidate buzzer somewhere
[1:19] <Redex> even the simplest things are exciting with the pi
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[1:20] <Armand> I want a Picade.
[1:20] <Armand> ^_^
[1:20] <Redex> Picade?
[1:21] <Aebleskiver> Picard
[1:21] <Armand> Pi + arcade
[1:21] <Redex> of course
[1:21] <brguy> hmmm Armand I like the idea
[1:21] <brguy> but it depends of a good designer
[1:22] <brguy> I'm just good at shell xD
[1:22] <Redex> I read that the chameleon distro has lots of emulators built in
[1:22] <Redex> could be wrong, but its still not in a cabinet for that arcade feel
[1:23] <Armand> Well, I can certainly build a good cabinet. :)
[1:24] <Redex> grab an old CRT TV and your 2/3rds there !
[1:24] <Redex> makey makey - for the joy pad !
[1:24] <brguy> it could be very nice if be possible playing Comodore 64 games
[1:25] * bel3atar (~bel3atar_@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:25] <Armand> LCD, of course.. CRT is just to big and heavy.
[1:25] <Armand> *too..
[1:25] <brguy> lol of course
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[1:25] <brguy> don't need a big screen, maybe portable?
[1:25] <brguy> :P
[1:25] <brguy> and more user friendly for programmers
[1:25] <Armand> Well, I can get a 15" LCD easily enough.
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[1:27] <bel3atar> need help. I can't order a board in Morocco.
[1:28] <Redex> :-( bel3atar
[1:28] <brguy> bel3atar, buy via amazon or international resellers
[1:28] <brguy> Armand, for sure!
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[1:29] <aDro> If i had all the money in the world.
[1:29] <bel3atar> brguy: I don't have a credit card nor a Paypal account...
[1:29] <aDro> bel3atar: how do you expect to pay for the pi?
[1:29] <brguy> bel3atar, I don't know about Morocco, but in Brazil you can also pay with bank deposit via paypal
[1:30] <bel3atar> aDro: classic money transfer
[1:30] <brguy> bel3atar, maybe you can pay for a friend or someone at an university to buy for you
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[1:31] <bel3atar> brguy: I don't know anybody =/
[1:31] <Redex> you know your computer - its ok :-)
[1:32] <brguy> bel3atar, you don't need to be a friend of anyone. Just go to a Computer Science department at the next university you have around you.
[1:32] <bel3atar> brguy: then what?
[1:32] <Redex> get the raspbian feeling using VM in the meantime
[1:33] <bel3atar> Redex: it's not about the OS u_u
[1:33] <brguy> bel3atar, talk to a professor at the univeristy. He buys for you and you pay for him.
[1:33] <elek> whats the default raspbian root pw?
[1:33] <brguy> Not a big deal.
[1:33] <brguy> elek: RTFM
[1:34] <bel3atar> brguy: that's kinda stupid, walkin to somebody I don't know asking him to buy a pi
[1:34] <elek> lol, classic response .. havent heard that in years
[1:34] <bel3atar> brguy: what if he doesn't have a CC
[1:35] <brguy> bel3atar, ahm... you should ask him first for CC? Omfg this is an university not a drug dealer.
[1:35] <bel3atar> brguy: credit cards are not very common in Morcco
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[1:35] <bel3atar> brguy: people here just use cash
[1:35] <Redex> they should at least know how to get one at the comp sci uni
[1:35] <bel3atar> brguy: even if he has one, it is probably local
[1:36] <Aebleskiver> bel3atar: You write a message to Raspberry Pi Foundation to ask if they have any contacts in Morocco?
[1:36] <bel3atar> brguy: so he won"t be able to buy thing from outside of Morocco
[1:36] <Aebleskiver> Maybe they can help...
[1:36] <Redex> its a difficult scenario bel3atar
[1:36] <bel3atar> Aebleskiver: I tried every reseller on the webpage
[1:36] <brguy> bel3atar, I think you should go and try at university first. You can't do anything without trying.
[1:37] <bel3atar> brguy: why does it have to be a university
[1:37] <bel3atar> brguy: pis are nowhere to be found in Morocco
[1:38] <brguy> bel3atar, because people at university use to research and because raspberry is something new then it's interesting. And maybe they already have. Also, at university researchers usually go to international events and because of that they usually have international cards.
[1:39] <atouk> but if you need a fez, morocco's your best bet
[1:39] <bel3atar> atouk: fez is a Moroccan city
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[1:39] <brguy> bel3atar, what I'm trying to say is: talk about your problem with someone who is from the Computer Science area because they will understand you. What else we can do in IRC for you?
[1:39] <brguy> if you don't try this is all bullshit :-)
[1:40] <brguy> elek, classic question, classic response :-)
[1:40] <Aebleskiver> It's an educational device too, of course
[1:40] <bel3atar> Universities in Morocco don't work like that ^^
[1:41] <bel3atar> The whole educational system is wrong
[1:41] <brguy> bel3atar, how old are you?
[1:42] <Aebleskiver> bel3atar: Have you tried a Chinese distributor of Raspberry Pi?
[1:42] <brguy> I think you don't know universities well. Are just saying without at least trying.
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[1:42] <Aebleskiver> Usually they will ship anywhere
[1:42] <brguy> Aebleskiver, the problem isn't about shipping.
[1:42] <brguy> He doesn't have a Credit Card.
[1:42] <Aebleskiver> Sorry, the payment too I mean
[1:42] <Aebleskiver> A lot of Chinese setups take wire transfers and so on
[1:43] <bel3atar> Aebleskiver: gimme a site
[1:43] <brguy> Aebleskiver, maybe he is just a troll.
[1:43] <brguy> don't take too serious.
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[1:44] <bel3atar> brguy: thanks
[1:44] <Redex> write to the foundation with your predicament - end of day comp science is a global challenge
[1:44] <Redex> IRC wont solve this for you, doubt we know Morroco as well as you
[1:44] <Redex> good luck
[1:44] <bel3atar> Redex: I'm not asking IRC to help...
[1:45] <Redex> I remember back in the day ...
[1:45] <Redex> MUDs anyone remember them?
[1:45] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[1:45] <Redex> mispent hours
[1:46] <Redex> trolls aplenty
[1:46] <Redex> superusers with superpowers to evict
[1:46] <Aebleskiver> bel3atar: You should become Morocco distributor for Raspberry Pi maybe, set up arrangement or something..
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[1:47] <bel3atar> Aebleskiver: I'm a student...
[1:47] <Redex> Aebleskiver: that could be life changing for bel3atar
[1:47] <dr_willis> Become the Pi King!
[1:47] <Redex> defo get in touch with the foundation directly
[1:47] <mumbles> my latest guide i followed http://john.edmondson-uk.com/raspberry-pi-tuxx-crossing-simulator
[1:48] <Redex> call it Morrocanpi
[1:48] <Redex> you saw it here first
[1:48] <Redex> (c)
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[1:49] <Redex> what projects will you do on the pi bel3atar ?
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[1:49] <brguy> Armand, are you there?
[1:49] <Redex> when you get one , whats the first thing you'll do ?
[1:49] <Armand> brguy, yup
[1:50] <bel3atar> Redex: I don't know yet.
[1:50] <dr_willis> go 'egads its so tiny!'
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[1:50] <brguy> Armand, I really liked the idea of raspberry as game interface :3
[1:50] <Armand> Me too.. I've seen it done.
[1:51] <Redex> have you seen makey makey ?
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[1:51] <Armand> Nope
[1:51] <Redex> thats cool
[1:51] <Redex> check it out!
[1:51] <Redex> youtube it
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[1:51] <brguy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfQqh7iCcOU this one? Redex
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[1:52] <Redex> im on CLI so cant tell
[1:52] <brguy> OH
[1:52] <brguy> MY
[1:52] <brguy> GOD
[1:52] <Redex> but its a couple of guys from MIT I think
[1:52] <Redex> you watching it ?
[1:52] <brguy> yes!
[1:52] <Redex> lol!
[1:52] <Redex> awesome right?
[1:53] <brguy> YES!
[1:53] * dano5 is now known as dano5_away
[1:53] <brguy> yes, from MIT
[1:53] <Redex> the mario playdoh ..
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[1:53] <brguy> I liked the piano stair
[1:54] <Redex> yes
[1:54] <Armand> I've been looking at making pressure buttons, with resistive foam.
[1:54] <bel3atar> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=14754
[1:55] * ukgamer is now known as ukgamer|away
[1:56] <Aebleskiver> bel3atar: Ahh it looks like you found a company in Morocco to buy from!
[1:56] <Redex> Armand: whats the plan with the foam ? for gaming ?
[1:57] <Armand> Yeah, to make the controller buttons.
[1:57] <brguy> Armand, I hear you man
[1:57] <bel3atar> Aebleskiver: It's in Casablanca
[1:57] <bel3atar> http://www.farnell.com/distributors/morocco_mes.htm
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[1:58] <Armand> Gnite all. .o/
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[1:58] <bel3atar> I'll contact them to see if they can send it to my city
[1:58] <Aebleskiver> bel3atar: Cool
[1:58] <Aebleskiver> I'm sure you'll be able to arrange the payment to them for it
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[2:00] <Redex> bye - may the pi be with us all!
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[2:05] <bel3atar> Their website is kinda abandoned http://www.mest.ma/
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[2:05] <bel3atar> The phone number in there is not valid anymore. The numbering system changed.
[2:06] <pronto> http://tasty.bagels.xxx/cam/cam0.jpeg trippy (every 5 seconds it changes)
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[2:11] <bel3atar> pronto: http://tasty.bagels.xxx/cam/wut/wut.jpeg
[2:11] <pronto> bel3atar: thank you good sir for linking me a photo on my own device
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[2:11] <bel3atar> pronto: you're welcome
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[2:27] <wowpin> hello crowd, test message, can you hear me?
[2:28] <SgrA> What is new in the new Arch Linux image released on 22 Jan?
[2:28] <SgrA> wowpin: Yes.
[2:28] <wowpin> SgrA: thank you
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[2:30] <brguy> wowpin, I HEAR YOU MAN
[2:30] <brguy> I HEAR
[2:30] <wowpin> brguy: good :0
[2:30] <wowpin> :)*
[2:30] <brguy> :3
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[2:42] <pronto> http://kpaste.net/555d < one way to bog down a rpi xD
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[3:25] <monkeymon> hi
[3:25] <pronto> hi
[3:25] <brguy> hi
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[3:31] <dr_willis> moo
[3:32] <pronto> oink
[3:33] <dr_willis> giraffe
[3:35] <Essobi> purple
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[3:48] <xiambax> my rpi comes tomorrow
[3:48] <xiambax> Stoked.
[3:49] <xiambax> Think I may do a slackware webserver.
[3:49] <brady2600> anyone here using a powered hub for their pi?
[3:49] <brady2600> to power their pi, and use usb devises with it?
[3:49] <brady2600> what should i look for when i go to best buy?
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[3:56] <xiambax> Just a powered hub
[3:57] <xiambax> Amazon.ca has free shipping right now
[3:57] <xiambax> Trial of amazon prime
[3:57] <xiambax> probably cheaper to order online to be honest
[3:57] <xiambax> http://www.amazon.ca/USB-Highspeed-Port-Adapter-Silver/dp/B003V395J0/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1359601053&sr=8-7
[3:58] <xiambax> I have bad blood with future shop and best buy. So I will recommend cheaper options at all costs.
[3:58] <xiambax> Lower costs.
[3:58] <xiambax> Think of the savings!
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[4:06] <MrJones> hi
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[4:07] <xiambax> Oh hai
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[4:08] <ugg> anyone know where to find debs for iozone or fio. I am not having much luck make(ing) fio here...
[4:09] <MrJones> http://fpaste.org/PwT1/ can someone help with this? some weird python error broke the debconf upgrade, so I tried a reinstall of debconf and then the reinstall part of the reinstall failed, and now I cannot even install debconf again.
[4:09] <MrJones> I also can't update python since that makes apt want to install or upgrade debconf first
[4:09] <MrJones> using raspbian wheezy
[4:14] <debenham> The problem is that python is a bit messed up.
[4:14] <debenham> you could try manually readding the packages via dpkg though
[4:15] <debenham> ie: dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/python2*
[4:16] <debenham> it will probably still bomb out with debconf errors - but might fix things enough to re-install the debconf package via 'dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf*'
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[4:21] <MrJones> debenham: so everyone upgrading is running into this right now? :| odd
[4:21] <debenham> I haven't hit that issue
[4:21] <ugg> not here - python seems okay as does debconf
[4:22] <MrJones> ah ok, you made it sound a bit like a known issue
[4:22] <debenham> nah - just thinking of possible ways to work around your current status ;)
[4:26] <dj_pi> does anyone know what state the SPI pins on the RPi idle at?
[4:28] <MrJones> debenham: the python2* command says archive not found
[4:29] <debenham> are any python packages still around (run 'ls /var/cache/apt/archives/py*' to have a look)
[4:30] <MrJones> no it's just debconf in there
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[4:32] <debenham> apt-get install --reinstall python2.7-minimal python2.7
[4:32] <pronto> my god, i finnaly took the second to figure out how to use macros im vim ... my life is forever changed o_o; this is amazing
[4:32] <debenham> to try and download then re-install them
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[4:36] <dr_willis> pronto: ;) every time i reread my using-vim book i learn somthing new...
[4:37] <MrJones> debenham: http://fpaste.org/dToo/
[4:37] <pronto> dr_willis: i've known vim had macro support, but i'd usally just rage when i accendlty went into the record mode
[4:37] <dr_willis> pronto: dont overlook the retangular selection options also. ;) handy in some cases
[4:37] <dr_willis> pronto: i tend to just do a thing once. then use the '.' key to repeate
[4:38] <Gordio> pronto, http://vimcasts.org/episodes/archive ;)
[4:39] <debenham> MrJones: it is trying to fix up debconf first :(
[4:39] <debenham> maybe now try "dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/*python*" and see if it will install just those packages but not try to finish setting up debconf
[4:40] <MrJones> yup it appears to set up things without touching debconf :)
[4:40] <MrJones> now the question is, will debconf install
[4:40] <MrJones> but yay for python update :)
[4:41] <MrJones> should I try the same command with debconf?
[4:43] <MrJones> yay debconf is back :)
[4:43] * MrJones hugs debenham
[4:43] <debenham> I've spent a lot of years fixing deb stuff so have had a bit of practice ;)
[4:44] <MrJones> now let's see if the upgrade works
[4:45] <MrJones> btw does anyone know a nice active (external power supply) usb hub?
[4:45] <MrJones> I have one but it's rather old, and a looooot of hardware appears to be broken with it
[4:46] <MrJones> some works others does weird things which appears to be caused by some timing mess or whatever the hub introduces that confuses them
[4:46] <MrJones> *do weird things
[4:48] <debenham> Yay - my pi-powered doorbell works :)
[4:49] <MrJones> I want my pi-powered network storage
[4:49] <MrJones> but my usb hard disk is being constantly reset by the kernel when on the usb hub
[4:49] <MrJones> and drains too much power for direct connection...
[4:50] <debenham> bare-bones arduino controlling 4 sets of RGB light strips (via TLC5940 PWM chip ;)) and reading from an old hacked doorbell (hooked in where led on receiver normally is) - all passing to a pi via level-shifter to onboard UART.
[4:50] <debenham> all being controlled by python-based web server (so can control from phone etc)
[4:51] <debenham> when the doorbell is pressed the pi starts playing an ogg file and flashing the lights to the music :)
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[4:52] <debenham> now just to make a decent box to contain it all :(
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[4:54] <r4> From a performance standpoint...how beneficial is using Raspbian (floating point) over Arch?
[4:55] <r4> rpi will be the brains behind a robot I'm working on and I'm thinking about switching (from arch to raspbian)
[5:00] <libc> any particular reason for switching?
[5:01] <libc> I don't know much about raspbian, but arch will give you a very minial/light system. It depends on what libraries you need though
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[5:02] <r4> i'm very familiar with arch (that's why I chose it) but I'm curious about the benefits of soft vs. hard float
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[5:02] <r4> and i also chose it for the minimal/light reason (of course)
[5:02] <debenham> Both raspbian and arch use hard-float so basic performance should be the same
[5:03] <Quietlyawesome94> Anyone recommend a cheapo Wifi adapter for my Pi? Want to connect it for XBMC cover art and remotely controlling it. ;)
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[5:03] <debenham> it really depends on what you are going to add - and what is already available for the distro
[5:03] <r4> debenham: isn't their a soft-float version of raspbian?
[5:03] <MrJones> there is, but why would anyone use it?
[5:03] <debenham> if you are familiar with arch then you may as well stick with it
[5:03] <r4> debenham: k
[5:03] <MrJones> it's slower than hard float obviously...
[5:03] <debenham> there is a soft-float version - but you only use that if you *need* soft-float
[5:04] <r4> ahh
[5:04] <debenham> and about the only thing that is for is the Oracle JVM
[5:04] <r4> then i guess the next real question is...how safe is it to overclock to 1 GHz?
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[5:04] <debenham> if you are fine using openjdk then I'd skip soft-float
[5:04] <r4> i've read a little on it and it seems like a nice benefit if stable
[5:04] <MrJones> I feel mine gets quite hot at regular speed already, so I don't feel safe to overclock it
[5:04] <r4> debenham: i am
[5:04] <debenham> overclocking to 1ghz is fine but if you are going to do that you will need to add a heatsink
[5:05] <r4> gotcha
[5:05] <debenham> too unstable otherwise
[5:05] <r4> maybe after im done with my robotics competition and repurpose my pi :)
[5:05] <MrJones> the day I end up with too much money I'll buy an openpandora :)
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[5:16] <cellofellow> Hi all. I just downloaded raspbmc and dd'd it to an SD card, but I don't have a USB keyboard. What should I do to install raspbmc on on my pi? I need network, I know that...
[5:17] <cellofellow> The plan is to use an Android or iOS remote to control XBMC.
[5:21] <debenham> can be done (by mounting sdcard on another computer and modifying some config files) but is not simple
[5:21] <cellofellow> I'm game
[5:22] <cellofellow> debenham: what do I need?
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[5:23] <debenham> http://whatswhat.no/computer/linux/raspberry-pi/481-raspberry-pi-mediacenter-raspbmc-setup-and-use-ipad-or-iphone-as-remote
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[5:23] <debenham> looks to be a way to do it via ssh :)
[5:24] <cellofellow> ok
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[5:39] <cellofellow> hmm, part way through the install process the network connection (wired ethernet to my laptop working as a wifi bridge) drops, and then it tries to download the rootfs and can't so it reboots. It's done that several times.
[5:39] <cellofellow> I have a wifi dongle, can I use that somehow?
[5:39] <SixtyFold> anyone have arch installed on pi?
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[5:53] <TAFB> I have arch installed on my Pi like device :)
[5:53] <TAFB> did the new kernel update break yours?
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[6:02] <SixtyFold> TAFB - i havent bought one yet
[6:02] <SixtyFold> i was just wondering how well it worked on the pi, b/c im interested in buying one
[6:04] <SixtyFold> you have kernel 3.7.3?
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[6:20] * cellofellow feels dumb, all problems went away after checking the mA rating on his power supplies
[6:21] <Gordio> =)
[6:25] <dr_willis> cellofellow: not the first time ive seen that happen in here
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[6:29] <cellofellow> ok, I've got Raspbmc running now, but it's not connecting through my Airlink nano wifi dongle, and I have no USB keyboard and mouse to configure it
[6:29] <cellofellow> through ssh, how do I set up the wifi?
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[6:32] <dr_willis> theres a file in /etc/ you edit
[6:33] <cellofellow> /etc/network/interfaces
[6:33] <dr_willis> but i forget the name..
[6:33] <cellofellow> ?
[6:33] <dr_willis> one specifically for wireless configuration
[6:33] <cellofellow> interfaces worked on raspbian
[6:33] <cellofellow> This is a wep connection (I know, dumb) most stuff I see is for WPA.
[6:34] <dr_willis> it may be /etc/wpasuplacant
[6:35] <dr_willis> or somthjing like that. it holds the key/passsword info for the access points
[6:35] <dr_willis> im not on a pi so cant look.
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[6:36] <TAFB> SixtyFold: sorry, was afk. Torikun on here runs arch on 3 Pi's, I'd ask him how it runs :)
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[6:51] <SixtyFold> TAFB - thanks
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[6:59] <TAFB> np, good luck :)
[6:59] <TAFB> my Arch on a little Seagate Go Flex Home box: http://tafb.yi.org
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[7:00] <TAFB> it's got a way newer kernel, I just haven't rebooted it in ages :)
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[8:35] <Kriss3d> Hi everyone. Uhmm does anyone know how to get and install wpa_supplicant or in another way make raspberry (running raspbmc) connect to a peap-mschap network ? when i plug in the wifi dongle it finds it just fine but when i want to connect to the network it just asks for a passphrase.. not username and password
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[9:06] <Peetz0r> Okay, so I mudered my rev2 Pi yesterday by conencting a phone to the usb port. It still doesn't work now, so I don't think the polyfuse is the problem.
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[9:06] <Peetz0r> Anything else I can do?
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[9:13] <Pitel_IPEX> I am tryuing to send mail from CLI... but it says command "mail" is not found. Does anyone know i what package is it?
[9:16] <Peetz0r> I think you want to use the command 'sendmail'
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[9:17] <Pitel_IPEX> in fact, I wnat to be able to send mails from php
[9:18] <Peetz0r> oh, that way :)
[9:18] <Peetz0r> do you have a working smtp server somewhere?
[9:18] <Peetz0r> if yes, configure php to use it (php.ini)
[9:18] <Peetz0r> if no, then try to get sendmail to work
[9:19] <Peetz0r> your ISP and/or email-provider should have a smtp server
[9:19] <Pitel_IPEX> well, I guess gmail has one too :)
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[9:20] <Peetz0r> yes, gmail has one, but you need to login to use that
[9:20] <Peetz0r> and it only supports ssl, which is actually a good thing, but I don't know how well that works with php
[9:22] <Pitel_IPEX> https://www.dokuwiki.org/plugin:swiftmail this seems to be axactly what I want :)
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[9:23] <Peetz0r> you're using DokuWiki?
[9:23] <Pitel_IPEX> yup
[9:23] <Peetz0r> ah :)
[9:23] <Peetz0r> then this would be a solution
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[9:24] <Peetz0r> but I'd recommend fixing this in php, so other scripts besides DokuWiki can send mail as well
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[9:24] <Peetz0r> but hey, if it works... ;)
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[9:26] <nid0> back to the original question, mail() is part of the php core and needs no configuration for the command itself to work, precisely what error were you seeing?
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[9:33] <Peetz0r> nid0: mail() definately needs configuration
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[9:34] <nid0> no, it doesnt. you have to set the sendmail path for it to actually work, but not doing that returns a specific error - you should never ever get a command/function not found error when calling mail()
[9:34] <Peetz0r> especially when you cannot contact other smtp servers directly, and you are forced to use a 'smarthost' (which can be the case for consumer internet connections)
[9:34] <Peetz0r> nid0: you don't always use sendmail, I usually use my ISP's smtp server, which I have to configure in php.ini
[9:35] <nid0> irrelevant
[9:35] <Peetz0r> irrelevant? I just explained why and how you need to configure mail() to work
[9:36] <nid0> you're missing the point. Not configuring the sendmail path, smtp server, or smarthost will return a specific error from php that the message cant be submitted
[9:36] <nid0> php will/should never ever return a command or function not found error for mail()
[9:36] <nid0> regardless of whether its configured
[9:36] <nid0> and thats the error Pitel_IPEX mentioned
[9:36] <Peetz0r> "I am tryuing to send mail from CLI... but it says command "mail" is not found." that error isn't from php, it's from CLI
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[9:37] <Peetz0r> he never said what error he gets from php
[9:37] <Peetz0r> and php may very well not give any error at all
[9:38] <nid0> his comment immediately following it suggested he was trying to run through php from the command line
[9:38] <Peetz0r> maybe
[9:38] <rikkib> bencom:/home/pb# mail
[9:38] <rikkib> No mail for root
[9:38] <nid0> which was why before you started arguing an irrelevant point with me, the very first thing I said 10 minutes ago was asking him from the error from PHP :\
[9:38] <Peetz0r> Pitel_IPEX: what did you try to do exactly?
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[9:42] <rikkib> apt-get install mailx maybe what you are looking ofr
[9:43] <rikkib> It may install the mail command
[9:44] <rikkib> MAIL(1) BSD General Commands Manual MAIL(1)
[9:44] <rikkib> NAME
[9:44] <rikkib> mail, mailx, Mail ? send and receive mail
[9:44] <nid0> itll be mailutils on debian
[9:45] <rikkib> I run Debian 6
[9:45] <nid0> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mailx
[9:45] <nid0> virtual package for mailutils
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[12:26] <simonkey> hello folks, can anyone here run nano? its not possible to edit anything.
[12:27] <skope> war. vim <3
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[12:28] <Weaselweb> simonkey: check you don't have a read-only filesystem or file
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[12:28] <simonkey> just nano from the cli has issues
[12:29] <linuxstb> simonkey: In Raspbian?
[12:29] <simonkey> wheezy, yes.
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[12:29] <simonkey> do you know of a stable release?
[12:29] <nid0> exactly what issue are you having
[12:29] <nid0> (nano on raspbian works fine)
[12:30] <simonkey> nano symbol lookup error
[12:30] <linuxstb> simonkey: Can you create a new file, e.g. by typing "touch myfile.txt" ?
[12:30] <nimmis|work> Nice eft tangentbord med en e-ink display p?? varje tangent http://www.yankodesign.com/2013/01/29/best-keyboard-ever/
[12:30] <linuxstb> Sounds like your install is messed up then.
[12:30] <simonkey> seems fine now, i changed the gpu from 64 to 128 in raspi-config, i think that did it
[12:31] <nimmis|work> sry wrong chat
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[12:33] <simonkey> thanks Weaselweb and linuxstb for your time, its good to see an such a response :)
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[12:33] <simonkey> i prefer not to have a desktop environment, the boss wants me to program it so he can take it to the golf course
[12:34] <simonkey> he wants to use gps to plot his route around the holes lol
[12:34] * simonkey <rolls-eyes>
[12:34] <nid0> whats wrong with a smartphone like everyone else uses
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[12:34] <simonkey> i said that
[12:35] <simonkey> but his golf buggy goes missing from time to time
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[12:35] <simonkey> and wants a device to log its position over night and possibly for weeks
[12:36] <Redex> yw
[12:36] <dape8708> hehe
[12:36] <simonkey> but last night the pie died around 7:20pm, not sure why, even with the latest version of wheezy updated
[12:36] <simonkey> *pi -pie
[12:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm dead pie
[12:37] <skope> great boss. i would flip out
[12:37] <simonkey> its a toy really, isnt it? would anyone know of a board a bit more stable and robust?
[12:37] <nid0> my pi's are perfectly stable
[12:37] <simonkey> thanks nid0
[12:37] <nid0> and the pi has a hardware watchdog
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[12:37] <Dyskette> Yeah, 35 days of uptime on mine now, haven't had a crash in many many months (but a few kernel-update reboots)
[12:38] <simonkey> nice one Dyskette, sounds like my desktop at home mint maya
[12:38] <FR^2> simonkey: My first one (A variant, 256MBytes) runs perfectly stable for weeks; A newly purchased from RS (variant B, 512 MBytes) is crap.
[12:38] <osfameron> simonkey: if you don't need the capability of a pi, try an arduino?
[12:38] <osfameron> I don't think any of the current full Linux distro capable boards are much more robust are they?
[12:38] <osfameron> well, the beaglebone "looks" a bit more solid somehow, not sure it actually is though
[12:38] <simonkey> thank FR^2
[12:39] <skope> rpi is like a drug. now i have to get another one
[12:39] <skope> to act as http server
[12:39] <simonkey> lol@skope
[12:39] <FR^2> skope: I ordered three more raspberry pis a few days ago ;)
[12:39] <simonkey> ftb is my addiction for now
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[12:40] <skope> FR^2: i think i'll just order one for now
[12:40] <skope> maybe more later
[12:40] <dape8708> i'm gonna order third too tomorrow
[12:41] <FR^2> skope: this time at farnell like the first, and three pis because of the p&p ;)
[12:41] <nid0> just wish there was a pi variant or something similar priced designed for headless use, strip out the beefy gpu and video/audio out, and spend the cost on a better cpu and proper i/o for ethernet
[12:41] <nid0> and ideally poe :(
[12:41] <dape8708> and a rtc
[12:42] <FR^2> dape8708: ack, that seems to be an issue, so either an external addon or ntp is the key
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[12:43] <dape8708> ok, dreaming over, the Pi is great as it is at this price.
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[12:43] <simonkey> i am with you nid0
[12:44] <ryzen2010> how do i backup my SD image on MAC OSX
[12:44] <simonkey> dd
[12:46] <ryzen2010> hmm yeah but need the commands
[12:47] <nid0> dd if=/path/to/sd/card of=/path/backup.img
[12:48] <ryzen2010> dd if=/dev/diskx of=/path/to/image bs=1m
[12:48] <ryzen2010> cool thanks
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[13:02] <Triffid_Hunter> anyone ever hooked a decent dac up to their pi? the onboard one is too noisy for a standalone music box
[13:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> use the HDMI audio ?
[13:03] <mjr> some have plugged in usb audio
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[13:14] <Viper-7> nid0: they dont tick all the boxes, but have you checked out the offerings from olimex?
[13:14] <Joeboy> I have some stranded copper wire I want to stick into a solderless prototyping board. Is it wise / unwise to tin the ends?
[13:15] <Viper-7> ideally you should get some screw terminals
[13:15] <Viper-7> but yeah tin, as long as youre careful to leave them thin and constant
[13:15] <Joeboy> Cool, ta
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[13:15] <Joeboy> Will I screw up my prototyping board?
[13:15] <Viper-7> nup
[13:16] <Joeboy> fabulous
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[13:18] <Triffid_Hunter> Joeboy: best wire to use with breadboard is solid core cat5 or phone cables
[13:19] <Jck_true> I want a breadboard that instead of holes got cat5 plugs...
[13:19] <Viper-7> Joeboy: http://www.taydaelectronics.com/connectors-sockets/terminal-blocks/pcb-mount/dg128-screw-terminal-block-2-positions-5mm.html
[13:19] <Viper-7> Jck_true: they call it a patch panel
[13:21] <Joeboy> Viper-7: If you were me, would you go out and buy a set of those or would you just plug the goddam wires into the board, right now?
[13:21] <Joeboy> Viper-7: From what you said it doesn't really sound necessary
[13:21] <Viper-7> considering i have a few lying around the place, and solid code wires just push into the crimp fittings on the back, and straight into a breadboard... :P
[13:22] <Joeboy> I'll stick some on my next RS order
[13:22] <Viper-7> heh
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[13:23] <Viper-7> btw, that tayda site has some great stuff for breadboarding - cheap prices with cheap shipping, and no minimum ;)
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[13:25] <Joeboy> Wrong continent unfortunately
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[13:26] <Viper-7> im in australia
[13:26] <Viper-7> same here lol
[13:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://au.element14.com/ <- any use
[13:29] <Viper-7> not as cheap, especially for small orders :P
[13:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> ebay or futurlec ;-p I dunno wrong side of the world from me ...
[13:31] <double-you> my atheros wifi dongle keeps disconnecting when downloading something... any ideas?
[13:32] <double-you> power supply is 2,5A
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[13:40] <Redex> using the edimax nano wifi , works a treat, sounds like its a power issue tho - does the dongle work fine for other devices?
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[13:40] <double-you> of course
[13:41] <double-you> and it keeps disconnecting when pluggin in directly to pi or to hub
[13:41] <Redex> running headless?
[13:42] <double-you> ?
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[13:44] <Redex> ie remote in from another computer via wifi if poss and disconnect everything else
[13:46] <Redex> did you say you are putting in 2.5A? into the pi ?
[13:46] <Redex> 5v 1A I think is the requirement for the power supply
[13:46] <double-you> no I start downloading over ssh
[13:46] <double-you> the hub has 2,5A
[13:47] <Redex> ah
[13:47] <Redex> phew
[13:47] <Redex> ;-)
[13:47] <double-you> but the hub also powers the pi
[13:48] <Redex> hmm dont have that set up.. can you power it separately for a test?
[13:49] <double-you> yes I'm doing it atm
[13:52] <double-you> exactly same problem
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[13:54] <simonkey> oh noes, i have that nano error again
[13:54] <simonkey> nano: symbol lookup error: /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libncursesw.so.5: undefined symbol: COLOR_PAIRS
[13:57] <Redex> has the pi ever downloaded in this way ? wondering if its somethng earlier in the chain of wifi set up
[13:57] <Redex> ie do you know for sure the wifi is crashing, does it get part way ?
[14:00] <double-you> downloading over ethernet works fine
[14:04] <double-you> that's messages output: http://pastebin.com/FSKuwuqD
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[14:27] <simonkey> how do i tell if i have a dodgy/crappy pi?
[14:27] <Armand> Is it made from toffee?
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> does it work OK? if not, it's a dodgy/crappy pi ...
[14:28] <Bochi> interesing question
[14:28] <Bochi> if it barks, it might even be a doggy pi.
[14:29] <Redex> dy: has wifi ever worked ?
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[14:30] <double-you> Redex: no, I got the wifi dongle yesterday
[14:31] <azk> if it quacks like a duck, it's probably a dodgy/crappy pi
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[14:37] <simonkey> omg i feel stoopid, the externally powered usb strip was turned off
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[14:39] <simonkey> seems like the usb port closest to the board had nearly enough power to run 3 usb devices, thats not bad
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[14:39] <Redex> fwiw if its a wifi set up issue could be a number of things, manually setting up can be a pain, using the raspbian desktop shortcut works well
[14:39] <Redex> can you ping your router?
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[14:42] <pronto> http://vps3.pronto185.com/cam/cam.jpeg it's like this webcam gets worse by the day xD
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[14:43] <double-you> Redex: of course, it only disconnects on high traffic
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[14:44] <azk> pronto: is it outside?
[14:44] <azk> lens must be getting dirty
[14:44] <azk> :)
[14:44] <pronto> azk: it's inside, but pointed outside
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[14:44] <azk> ah ok
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[14:45] <pronto> azk: it was a 2 for $5 (inc shipping) direct from china webcam
[14:45] <azk> hehe
[14:45] <azk> I have some IP based security cameras I need to find something to do
[14:45] <azk> with
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[14:47] <Redex> dy: dunno sorry .. have you got another dongle to try in case its dodgy. I think the pi struggles with some dongles . the edimax appears most stable from what Ive read
[14:47] <chris_99> pronto, that's way out of focus!
[14:48] <pronto> chris_99: it's getting worse and worse every day xD
[14:48] <chris_99> haha now i'ts all grey
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[14:51] <mumbles> wonder whats happend to my edimax dongle
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[14:53] <wiuempe> hello, i want to install on my rspi this: http://code.google.com/p/light-pack/source/browse/#git%2FSoftware
[14:54] <wiuempe> how to do it?
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[14:59] <double-you> Redex: it seems to work fine with 54 mbit/s :-(
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[15:09] <shirish> hi all, does anybody how to update the firmware from a linux machine ?
[15:10] <shirish> I am seeing this http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Updating_firmware but no instructions are provided how to do it.
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[15:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> have a look at the rpi-update script and copy the files from where it gets them to the 1st partition of the sd card
[15:17] <shirish> RaTTuS|BIG: if the above is for me, please tell me how ?
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[15:17] <shirish> RaTTuS|BIG: wait a minute, for 1st partition do you mean the FAT partition ?
[15:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes
[15:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/rpi-update
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[15:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> and https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
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[15:24] <shirish> RaTTuS|BIG: thanx, d/l them and copying them to the FAT partition .
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[15:35] <shirish> RaTTuS|BIG: lemme know when you
[15:35] <shirish> are back.
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[15:39] <shirish> does anybody know how big the repo. is ? https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
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[15:40] <pronto> shirish: well the zip is 90MB
[15:41] <shirish> pronto: saw that. But the repo. seems to be a lot bigger - see
[15:41] <shirish> eceiving objects: 2% (695/31396), 22.58 MiB | 66 KiB/s
[15:41] <shirish> Receiving objects: 2% (695/31396), 22.58 MiB | 66 KiB/s
[15:41] <pronto> well yeah, zip does compress
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[15:42] <shirish> pronto: see
[15:42] <shirish> see up
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[15:50] <Weaselweb> pronto: you can't compare a zip from a snapshot to a repository with complety history
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[15:56] <shirish> start from the beginning.
[15:56] <shirish> I have a pi dunno if it's model 'A' or model 'B' any way to know for sure ?
[15:57] <IT_Sean> It's a model b
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[15:57] <IT_Sean> The A isn't out yet
[15:57] <IT_Sean> But, to further answer your question, the B has 2 USB ports, and ethernet, The A has one USB port, and no ethernet.
[15:58] <shirish> IT_Sean: so it's a model 'B' but how to know if it's the 256 MB one or the 512 MB one ?
[15:59] <Jck_true> shirish: Does it say "Made in the UK" anywhere?
[15:59] <IT_Sean> Ahh... that's an entirely different ball of fermented cheese.
[15:59] <linuxstb> shirish: Look at the model number on the RAM chip - if it includes 4G it's 512MB, 2G means 256MB
[15:59] <IT_Sean> ^ Wot 'e said
[16:00] <shirish> linuxstb: I can't read it, it's too small to know. Any other way. I do the FN No. with me.
[16:00] <Jck_true> shirish: Does your board have mounting holes?
[16:01] <shirish> Jck_true: no idea what mounting holes are, but if you are saying if there are any free holes, doesn't look like it.
[16:02] <linuxstb> shirish: If you have Linux up and running, do "grep ^MemTotal /proc/meminfo" - what does that say?
[16:02] <shirish> linuxstb: that is the other problem.
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[16:03] <shirish> linuxstb: what is happening is the keyboard and the mouse are being rejected by the pi although the keyboard and mouse are good. I tested them.
[16:03] <shirish> linuxstb: I do get some errorno while starting up and then blank screen.
[16:03] <Jck_true> shirish: Yeah a hole on the board that will let you screw the board onto something - Then it's a 256mb ram rev 1 board :)
[16:03] <Jck_true> (If it hasn't got the mounting holes it's a rev1)
[16:04] <shirish> Jck_true: do you or anybody know of a diagram which shows the diff. between Rev. 1 and Rev. 2
[16:04] <shirish> of the board.
[16:05] <pronto> shirish: Receiving objects: 100% (31396/31396), 908.83 MiB | 1.64 MiB/s, done.
[16:05] <IT_Sean> There is an article on the raspi website that describes all of the differences between revisions
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[16:05] <pronto> shirish: 1.1G .
[16:05] <shirish> pronto: whopee, good I didn't do that it would have take me ages to download the repo.
[16:05] <Jck_true> shirish: http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/09/raspberry-pi-board-revisions/
[16:06] <shirish> Jck_true: thanx.
[16:08] <shirish> Jck_true: one another way I guess is the copyright years. See http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/IMG_4810.jpg and http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/raspberry_pi_model_b_rev2_01.jpg
[16:09] <shirish> Jck_true: see the copyright years just below the raspberry logo the second one says 2011.12 while the first one just says 2011, mine says 2011.
[16:09] <shirish> Jck_true: also the color of the ethernet connector is black rather than whatever the other color is.
[16:10] <shirish> Jck_true: the mounting holes thing , was that near the GPIO pins which I see on the left above ?
[16:11] <shirish> Jck_true: if those are the holes, they are absent in this one.
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> Blue 3.5mm jacks on my Rev 2's.
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[16:13] <Jck_true> shirish: It's the screw hole right below the berry -
[16:13] <shirish> gordonDrogon: mine is black, that the audio connector not the ethernet, my bad.
[16:13] <mgottschlag> shirish: what you mean is an unpopulated second gpio header
[16:13] <IT_Sean> shirish: if you don't have mounting holes, you have a rev 1
[16:14] <shirish> mgottschlag: well, not into geekspeak so don't really know that.
[16:14] <shirish> IT_Sean: the more I am comparing with the reference images, the more it's this one http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/IMG_4810.jpg
[16:15] <shirish> IT_Sean: so yes it's Rev 1.
[16:15] <Jck_true> shirish: Rev 1 - 256mb ram :)
[16:16] <shirish> Jck_true: now for the usb k/b and mouse not responding I was told to try to upgrade the firmware using the SD card, is that the way to go ?
[16:16] <shirish> for all :- now for the usb k/b and mouse not responding I was told to try to upgrade the firmware using the SD card, is that the way to go ?
[16:17] <shirish> I get some errNo. while booting up and the screen goes into blanking.
[16:17] <mgottschlag> "unpopulated gpio header" = solder a row of pins onto it and get 8 more GPIOs for free
[16:18] <shirish> mgottschlag: o.k. cool. One of my friends who's into this GPIO thing would love it.
[16:18] <mgottschlag> also, any exact error message?
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[16:18] <Jck_true> shirish: Flash the newest version of debian - Check, then double check and finally triple check your power supply...
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[16:21] <shirish> mgottschlag: would have to try multiple times to get the whole thing written down. Probably do it tomorrow.
[16:23] <Jck_true> shirish: I would try to flash Raspbian again - Then go from there
[16:23] <shirish> Jck_true: I have the newest version of debian flashed on the pi as given on the site
[16:24] <Jck_true> shirish: Good
[16:24] <shirish> Jck_true: o.k. will try that.
[16:24] <Jck_true> shirish: You have a multimeter?
[16:24] <shirish> Jck_true: not atm but can be borrowed.
[16:25] <Jck_true> shirish: Measuring the voltage between TP1 and TP2 is really handy to verify that your powersupply works (somewhat) decent
[16:27] <shirish> Jck_true: can spot TP2 which is near the yellow component cable connector, trying to find TP1.
[16:27] <shirish> Jck_true: it's near the Pi logo.
[16:28] <Jck_true> shirish: Correct :)
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[16:29] <Jck_true> shirish: You wanna be as close to 5V as possible... 4V9 is fine 4V8 might work under 4V75 you're in trouble
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[16:30] <shirish> Jck_true: thanx, will attempt to get a multimeter and see tomorrow.
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[16:31] <Jck_true> shirish: and a screwy keyboard tends to be low power input (missing keystrokes, stuck keys, unresposive, dropping lan connection etc )
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[16:32] <shirish> Jck_true: it's a brand new k/b bought for this, and tried it on a desktop, no issues there at least.
[16:34] <IT_Sean> What kind of kbd is it. Is it a big fancy one? with lots of extras? or a very simple one?
[16:35] <IT_Sean> Also... what is the rating on your power supply.
[16:35] <IT_Sean> ?
[16:36] <Jck_true> shirish: a "normal" usb plug will let you draw 500mA for the device (In the case of a desktop computer often more even) Now the raspberry will only give you 140mA
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[16:38] <SwK> d00t turned by RPi into a cordless hard phone
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[16:43] <shirish> Jck_true: thanx for imparting that know-how.
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[16:43] <shirish> IT_Sean: it's a logitech KB200 k/b
[16:44] <IT_Sean> Not familiar with that one. Pretty basic?
[16:44] <shirish> IT_Sean: sorry Logitech mk200 k/b
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[16:44] <shirish> IT_Sean: this is the one http://www.flipkart.com/logitech-mk200-usb-2-0-keyboard-mouse-combo/p/itmcz9jqgg4anhtz
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[16:45] <shirish> IT_Sean: dunno if it's basic or not.
[16:46] <IT_Sean> Is it backlit? Does it have an LCD screen? Is it a gaming keyboard, or a normal one? Do you understand the definition of the word "basic"?
[16:47] <shirish> IT_Sean: no, no backlit or LCD screen, nor gaming k/b . It is normal .
[16:47] <IT_Sean> Okay. So, it should work, in theory.
[16:47] <shirish> IT_Sean: guess it's 'basic' then.
[16:47] <IT_Sean> What is the rating on your PSU?
[16:48] <shirish> IT_Sean: checking.
[16:49] <shirish> IT_Sean: it says Input - 110V-240AC 50-60 Mhz and Output 4V-11AC Dc 850 Max 4W
[16:50] <IT_Sean> wiat...
[16:50] <IT_Sean> 4 - 11V AC???
[16:50] <IT_Sean> O_O
[16:50] <shirish> IT_Sean: I'm just sharing what's written on the box of the PSU.
[16:51] <IT_Sean> that sounds highly suspect.
[16:51] <IT_Sean> What sort of supply is it?
[16:51] <IT_Sean> Is it meant ot be used to charge a USB device?
[16:51] <ryao> If the Raspberry Pi gets stuck on the colorful boot image (not showing the kernel), should I assume that the kernel image is bad?
[16:52] <shirish> IT_Sean: it's a mobile charger thing.
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[16:53] <IT_Sean> I would get a multimeter and actually measure the voltage. If i am reading what you are saying correctly, that power supply is not only incorrect, it could fry your pi
[16:54] <shirish> IT_Sean: o.k. would do it.
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[17:00] <mgottschlag> very often such power supplies hava screw somewhere to change the output voltage, or they have different connectors for different voltages
[17:00] <xiambax> my rpi comes today!
[17:00] <xiambax> STOKED
[17:00] <Torikun> Awesome xiambax!
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[17:01] <xiambax> Im going to install slackware on it and turn it into a webserver
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[17:02] <shirish> mgottschlag: didn't know that.
[17:02] <mgottschlag> shirish: might of course not apply to your power supply
[17:02] <mgottschlag> and if it does, then it should be obvious
[17:02] <shirish> mgottschlag: right.
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[17:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> \o
[17:10] <IT_Sean> is the ouput on that power supply AC or DC (i'm assuming DC, as AC would do Bad Things to a pi)
[17:10] <IT_Sean> ?
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[17:12] <shirish> IT_Sean: it's AC
[17:12] <IT_Sean> stop using it
[17:12] <IT_Sean> Hopefully you didn't damage anything on the pi. disconnect it now.
[17:12] <shirish> IT_Sean: not using it atm.
[17:12] <shirish> IT_Sean: don't really know if it's AC or DC but all the current coming to my home is AC.
[17:13] * IT_Sean facepalms
[17:13] * shirish not really into electricity.
[17:13] <IT_Sean> Well. yes. Of course it is.
[17:13] <IT_Sean> But, the power supply can still be DC.
[17:13] <shirish> IT_Sean: so it could convert from AC to DC
[17:13] <IT_Sean> It could, yes.
[17:14] <IT_Sean> I have no idea what type of power sully you are using, though.
[17:14] <IT_Sean> And based on what's written on it, it sounds highly dubious.
[17:14] <shirish> IT_Sean: how do I/can I know that ?
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[17:14] <IT_Sean> It should say on it. You want one that says "Output: 5v DC) and has a rating of a MINIMUM of 750mA
[17:15] <IT_Sean> And if you don't know what any of that means, you should do some googling and give yourself a lesson in basic electronics.
[17:15] <IT_Sean> No disrespect meant, but, it wouldn't hurt to know these things if you are going to be playing with a Pi
[17:16] <shirish> IT_Sean: no offence taken at all. It's just that I don't know.
[17:16] <IT_Sean> And thats fine. It's just that the wrong type of power supply can destroy your shiny new toy, and we'd all hate to see that.
[17:17] <IT_Sean> I'm happy to try to answer any questions you have on the subject. Just be aware that i may not respond straight away, as i am at work.
[17:17] <IT_Sean> :p
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[17:18] <IT_Sean> For now, i would recommend going to RadioShack, or some other electronics store, and getting a generic mobile phone charger. Just make sure it can output 750mA or greater.
[17:19] <IT_Sean> ... and that it uses a USB connector.
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[17:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> find an example of that PSU on the web and post a link here
[17:19] <IT_Sean> If you have a modern mobile phone, or a kindle, or an iPad, or similar, you can use the charger for that.
[17:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> but IT_Sean knows what he's talking about
[17:20] <IT_Sean> Thanks RaTTuS|BIG :D
[17:20] <IT_Sean> I try to, anyway. :p
[17:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> [mostly]
[17:22] <IT_Sean> hey! :/
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[17:22] <totic> Hi, can I install windows in raspberrypi, I want to get a bunch of them in the office to test different version of our website in ie6 and ie7
[17:23] <Caleb> no
[17:23] <Caleb> totic: unless they made arm versions of it
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[17:23] <IT_Sean> totic: no.
[17:23] <Caleb> which they didnt and im sure they havent released the arm version of win8
[17:23] <IT_Sean> There are no versions of windows that will run on the Pi
[17:23] <totic> :( pitty
[17:24] <totic> it seemed fast enough for xp
[17:24] <IT_Sean> There are no versions of windows that will run on the ARM processor the Pi uses.
[17:25] <IT_Sean> It has nothing to do with speed.
[17:25] <totic> I know
[17:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> some forms of windows CE will run ok .. but that again is an exercize in Meh
[17:25] <IT_Sean> Win CE? I'd rather rip my own eyeballs out.
[17:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[17:26] <dape> let's just be satisfied with our nixes and bsds
[17:26] <IT_Sean> (although, i did carry a WinMo device for a while. ::shudder:: )
[17:26] <IT_Sean> Yeah... be happy with a *nix distro for it.
[17:26] <totic> believe me I want nothing to do with windows normally I use ubuntu and osx, but the world still sees fit to use ie6 & 7 and I dont want VMware in my machine
[17:26] * Hoerie had two (and found them quite ok)
[17:26] <IT_Sean> I actualyl did like it. I had an iPaq HX4700. It was nice.
[17:26] <IT_Sean> I still have it sitting in a drawer somewhere.
[17:29] <elek> does anyone know if mono works on raspbian?
[17:30] <elek> trying to see if i can easily port a windows service to linux
[17:30] <IT_Sean> totic: What version of 'buntu are you running?
[17:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> not well - I dont see the need TBH
[17:30] <pronto> mcm eletroncis has $5 shipping on all the things with: EMC325 promo code
[17:30] <mdik> hi. anybody running a distributed search engine like YaCy on the rpi?
[17:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> elek what sort of service - just write it properly
[17:31] <totic> IT_Sean: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[17:31] <IT_Sean> Nice. I had 12.04 on my ThinkPad until recently. I replaced it with Mint 14.
[17:31] <elek> basic service that attachs to the networkchanged event
[17:32] <Torikun> pronto: I wish I had that code a few weeks ago
[17:32] <elek> NetworkAvailabilityChangedEventHandler
[17:33] <pronto> Torikun: well go order more things :D
[17:33] <Torikun> lol
[17:33] <Torikun> 4 pi's is enough for me
[17:33] <Torikun> lol
[17:33] <elek> mono supports it.. just need to know if raspbian will run mono
[17:33] <pronto> need 60 more
[17:33] <dape> IT_Sean you another fan on thinkpads? i love them
[17:33] <IT_Sean> I am
[17:33] <Torikun> yacy seems interesting
[17:33] * IT_Sean <3s ThinkPads
[17:33] <pronto> thinkpads ftw++ (just recnetly got a x230)
[17:33] * Torikun Macbook FTW
[17:33] <IT_Sean> I have an X220t
[17:34] <IT_Sean> which i love
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[17:34] <Torikun> IT_Sean: is that the tablet version that has a swivel monitor?
[17:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> elek if that is called when your Ip changes or stuff there are other ways under linux much more friendly ....
[17:34] <dape> i had t42,t42,t60,t61,z60m,x60,x61s, x60t, there is nothing compared to them as good and durable
[17:34] <IT_Sean> Torikun: yup!
[17:34] <Torikun> wow that rules
[17:34] <IT_Sean> It does
[17:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> anyhoo back in a bit
[17:34] <Torikun> Mucho de niro though
[17:34] <IT_Sean> I paid about $1200 for it, BTO, with some options.
[17:35] <totic> I have a Macbook pro retina that my company got for me
[17:35] <totic> and I love it
[17:35] <dape> current usual plastic crap laptops are more expensive than thinkpads
[17:35] <Torikun> awesome!
[17:35] <elek> RaTTuS|BIG: yeah i couldnt figure it out in python.. maybe ill try c/c++
[17:35] <IT_Sean> I got it right before the X230 line came out (and i'm glad... not a fan of the new style keyboard)
[17:35] <totic> but I dont know if I would pay for it myself
[17:35] <Torikun> IT_Sean: Your lenovo offers more for the money than mac books
[17:35] <dape> totic second hand you can find good macs
[17:35] <IT_Sean> I keep computers for a looong time. My last laptop served me for 10 years. so... when i do buy a new one, i buy top of hte line.
[17:35] <Torikun> nice
[17:35] <Torikun> you run win7 on it?
[17:35] <IT_Sean> Nope.
[17:35] <IT_Sean> Mint 14
[17:36] <Torikun> touch screen works?
[17:36] <dape> yeah, totally compatible
[17:36] <IT_Sean> Works perfectly.
[17:36] <totic> 16Gb in this one
[17:36] <IT_Sean> Multitouch, and stylus.
[17:36] <Torikun> awesome
[17:36] <IT_Sean> Both work brilliantly.
[17:36] <dape> damn, i miss my x60t, i'm going to browse for something close to IT_Sean's
[17:37] <IT_Sean> The only options on mine are the multitouch display (non-ooutdoor), and the extended battery.
[17:37] <Torikun> so how do you seach in YaCY
[17:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> elek look at https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=89854 for examples
[17:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=698819#p698819 is probablu a good start
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[17:44] <Torikun> mdik: I am compiling it now
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[17:55] <mdik> Torikun: nice
[17:55] <Torikun> did you get it working yet?
[17:56] <mdik> Torikun: not yet, i was rather investigating if there were other distributed SE which wouldn't require java
[17:56] <Torikun> ah why you do not want java
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[17:56] <mdik> but i will try after i fixed some other minor problems, Torikun
[17:56] <mdik> Torikun: there are reports of scary bugs
[17:56] <Torikun> oh wha
[17:56] <Torikun> with java
[17:56] <Torikun> or yacy
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[17:57] <mdik> java
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[17:58] <mdik> and since yacy would be a service permanently accessible from the internet, i want to make sure that this is no problem
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[17:58] <Torikun> Good point
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[18:00] <Torikun> some yacy security tips here http://www.yacy-forum.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=204
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[18:08] <mdik> I'm kinda astonished that yacy is the only distributed search engine out there.
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[18:39] <TheBlunderbuss> Hey all! Just got my new RasPi !
[18:39] <TheBlunderbuss> Damn it's tiny
[18:39] <qrwteyrutiyoup> yay :)
[18:40] <Torikun> Congrats!
[18:40] <Armand> TheBlunderbuss, surprised me too.. even in a case, it's barely bigger than a pack of cards. :)
[18:40] <Torikun> follow some guides on www.linux-toys.com TheBlunderbuss
[18:40] <Torikun> for performance lol
[18:41] <Torikun> TheBlunderbuss: if you install arch linux, avoid ext4 root filesystem
[18:41] <pronto> TheBlunderbuss: ...must...resist...joke......
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[18:51] <pronto> ...so in theory, could you hook a USB devicee to a breadboard, then the 2/3 (data) pins to the usb on the Pi, an dthe 1/4 pins (+5v and GND) to the GPIO, so then be able to control if the usb device gets power in software?
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[18:55] <pksato> Direct no. Need some circuit to switch power from GPIO pin. GPIO only draw 16mA.
[18:55] <pronto> ah
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[18:56] <pksato> and GPIO are 3.3V, USB power is 5V.
[18:56] <mjr> the 5V line on the gpio header isn't software controlled anyway, and the actual gpios are 3.3V (aside the current thing)
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[18:56] <pronto> basicaly what i want to do is be able to cut power completly to a 4G usb card (sometimes it goes into a loop, and the ONLY way to fix it is to unplug it, not even a reboot does it)
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[18:59] <pksato> If you have a 500mA P-Channel mosfet, it is very simple circuit.
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[18:59] <pronto> http://www.newark.com/vishay-siliconix/si1025x-t1-ge3/p-channel-mosfet-60v-500ma-sc-89/dp/16P3677 pksato ?
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[19:00] <pksato> yes, like it. But it is a SMD. Very hard to work.
[19:01] <Aebleskiver> I'm going to glue stepper motors and legs to my R-Pi and make it walk around :)
[19:02] <pronto> pksato: meaning i should look for something simlar to work on abread board?
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[19:15] <arcanescu> hopw do you enable gpio access on the pi?
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[19:19] <pronto> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[19:19] <pronto> arcanescu:
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[19:28] <arcanescu> the 'high' on the gpio is what voltage?
[19:29] <double-you> 3.3V
[19:29] <double-you> There is no over-voltage protection on the board
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[19:31] <damianos> I'm trying to choose a platform for a project and am considering the RPI. I would like to bring in 4 analog audio signals via the GPIO and use PureData to do pitch detection and send midi data out either via wired connection or xbee. Will the RPI have enough power to do this? I tried to research this on the web but apparently mine is not a common use case. Also, I did find some forum posts where people were saying that when
[19:31] <damianos> bringing in midi signals via GPIO the CPU was at 40% at IDLE.
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[19:37] <yahtaa_> what would be the correct syntax for using the -r (framerate/resolution) command on omxplayer?
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[19:44] <sofyan> Hello Mates :D
[19:44] <IT_Sean_> ahoy
[19:44] <yahtaa_> what would be the correct syntax for using the -r (framerate/resolution) command on omxplayer?
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[19:45] <IT_Sean_> yahtaa_: is there a MAN page for it?
[19:45] <yahtaa_> no
[19:45] <sofyan> did anyone succseed using E173 huawei 3g dongle?
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[19:46] <yahtaa_> i've tried omxplayer -r 1280x720 file.ext but it does nothing
[19:46] <IT_Sean_> Sorry... I don't know.
[19:47] <arcanescu> pronto: thanks that did it :)
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[19:52] <double-you> anybody has an edimax EW-7811Un?
[19:52] <nid0> lots of people
[19:52] <double-you> how is the signal quality
[19:52] <nid0> fine
[19:53] <double-you> as good as a dongle which size is 10 times larger?
[19:54] <murphycr> double-you: I've used a Netgear N150 about that size with very good results
[19:54] <Redex> dy: still having trouble ?
[19:54] <murphycr> double-you: This to say that size isn't everything... at least with electronics :P
[19:55] <sofyan> did anyone succeed using E173 huawei 3g dongle?
[19:55] <double-you> no but i succeeded with E160
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[19:56] <sofyan> double-you: u used AT commands right?
[19:56] <double-you> I used a package called sakis3g
[19:56] <double-you> I have no idea ;)
[19:57] <sofyan> double-you: can u give me a link of how u did it?
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[19:57] <sofyan> double-you: because ur dongle is in the same category as mine
[19:58] <murphycr> Is there a reference for what providers use what? ie is there a dongle that is RPi compatible that I could use on T-Mobile USA?
[19:59] <double-you> sofyan: I dont know if sakis3g supports shell commands
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[20:00] <IT_Sean_> murphycr: there is no such thing as a "raspi compatable" anything, in so far as an "offiical known good list" is concerned. That said, as long as there are linux drivers for it, you should be able to get it to work
[20:00] <IT_Sean_> Some things may take more work than others to work, but...
[20:00] <murphycr> IT_Sean_: Right; that's what I meant, you just said it much better than I :P
[20:03] <sofyan> double-you: i checked the net they said that it will work if i used sakis3g i'll be thankful if u provide me the link that you used to make it work
[20:03] <double-you> sofyan: I'm looking atm for a link to get sakis3g ;)
[20:04] <double-you> www.sakis3g.org is down
[20:05] <sofyan> double-you: yah i noticed that :'(
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[20:07] <sofyan> double-you: is there anyway to download it? o.o
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[20:08] <double-you> haven't found it, look for sakis3g.gz
[20:09] <double-you> or ask me again next week, I have exams tomorrow ;)
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[20:26] <pronto> http://vps3.pronto185.com/cam/cam0.jpeg rather sillly method to get my Pi to show me it's CPU temp :D
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[20:29] <Kisume> ... What?!
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[20:30] <IT_Sean_> O_o
[20:32] <IT_Sean_> "the image cannot be displayed because it contains errors" pronto
[20:32] <Armand> pronto, that's awful!
[20:32] <pronto> IT_Sean_: refreash
[20:33] <IT_Sean_> OW! My eyes! >.<
[20:33] <pronto> xD
[20:33] <IT_Sean_> :|
[20:33] <pronto> updates every 10 seconds
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[20:33] <IT_Sean_> good gord man... that was actually painful to look aty
[20:33] <IT_Sean_> *at
[20:33] <Armand> Yup
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[20:34] <SanMysterious> Hi, does anybody know where i can find the .config for compilation in the raspbian image... instructions say in /proc/config.gz actually proc is empty when i am seeking on my flash card
[20:35] <pronto> the /boot/config file?
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[20:35] <double-you> F5
[20:35] <SanMysterious> no the config for kernel builds
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[20:35] <[ill]will> anyone good with regex?
[20:36] <SanMysterious> perhaps i need to boot up the pi and look in /proc/config.gz then?
[20:36] <pronto> only config.gz i found
[20:37] <SanMysterious> actually what i was looking for
[20:37] <pronto> SanMysterious: find / -iname 'config.gz' only returned the /proc one
[20:37] <chithead> I think the raspbian config is very close to the bcmrpi_defconfig
[20:37] <SanMysterious> ok... then it might be a at runtime thing
[20:37] <pronto> SanMysterious: CONFIG_HAS_IOMEM=y
[20:37] <pronto> has stuff like that in it
[20:37] <chithead> /proc is only mounted after the kernel has booted
[20:38] <SanMysterious> ok thank you
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[20:39] <Kane> oL
[20:40] <pronto> SanMysterious: though
[20:40] <pronto> # Automatically generated file; DO NOT EDIT.
[20:40] <pronto> # Linux/arm 3.2.27 Kernel Configuration
[20:40] <Kane> o/
[20:40] <SanMysterious> that's fine
[20:40] <SanMysterious> thank you
[20:40] <pronto> side note: zcat is awesome
[20:41] <SanMysterious> :)
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[20:41] <Job-> http://puu.sh/1VrVu
[20:41] <Job-> any ideas?
[20:41] <pronto> ^link is safe, just a jpeg
[20:42] <Job-> o sory, show as suffix'ed it
[20:42] <Job-> http://puu.sh/1VrVu.png
[20:42] <Job-> =P
[20:42] <pronto> kinda rung some alarm bells in my mind ;p
[20:42] <pronto> Job-: i'm going to take a guess.. you're trying to display a webcam?
[20:42] <Job-> ha
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[20:43] <Job-> yessir
[20:43] <pronto> known good cam?
[20:43] <Job-> "Trust"
[20:43] <Job-> ie. no
[20:43] <Job-> lmao
[20:43] <dero> guys, following problem: no sound when doing "hdmi_force_hotplug=1"
[20:43] <dero> without that setting, I have sound
[20:44] <pronto> Job-: try any other things, like vlc or? also try streamer -c /dev/video0 -o img.jpeg
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[20:44] <Job-> not tried any others nope
[20:45] <Flipo> Hello, I see a lot of GPIO switch/button tutorials using a 10k pullup resistor to work, but If I understand correctly, isn't there built-in resistors on the pins that could be used instead ?
[20:45] <pronto> Job-: what is the comman you're running (the -flags for lucview)
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[20:46] <Job-> none :$
[20:46] <Job-> ime clueless with unix as a whole
[20:46] <Job-> what should i try
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[20:46] <pronto> Job-: try like lucview -L and -l
[20:47] <pronto> -L Query valid video formats.
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[20:47] <pronto> -l Query valid controls and setting
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[20:47] <pronto> Job-: also, what kind of webcam is it?
[20:48] <bparker> Job-: gst-launch v4l2src ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink sync=false
[20:48] <Job-> brb
[20:48] <Holden> luvcview*
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[20:53] <Torikun> amazon.com is down
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[20:54] <IT_Sean_> darn. It is. wow.
[20:54] <IT_Sean_> that's Not Good
[20:54] <Torikun> nope
[20:54] <Torikun> anonymous!
[20:54] <Torikun> lol
[20:54] <IT_Sean_> don't be silly.
[20:55] <Torikun> their loosing millions of dollars now!
[20:55] <Torikun> lol
[20:55] <axion> just their www host is. i'm happily selling some electronics on the marketplace
[20:55] <Torikun> nice
[20:55] <pronto> amazon.com works he re
[20:56] <pronto> loaded slow
[20:56] <IT_Sean_> http/1.1 service unavailable
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[20:56] <Torikun> is ec2 down?
[20:56] <JakeSays> any suggestions on a jabber server for the raspi?
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[20:56] <Torikun> http://aws.amazon.com/
[20:56] <Torikun> works
[20:56] <Torikun> ok back up
[20:56] <Torikun> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=down
[20:57] <Torikun> that link works but www.amazon.com don't
[20:57] <pronto> ah, now i'm getting the http 1.1 error
[20:57] <Torikun> http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox?ie=UTF8&ref_=cs_top_nav_gb27\
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[20:59] <Torikun> http://sitedown.co/amazoncom\
[20:59] <Torikun> interesting site
[20:59] <Torikun> me gusta
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[21:07] <linuxthefish> anyone here use a power supply other than a USB phone charger thing?
[21:08] <double-you> yes
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[21:10] <Torikun> yes
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[21:20] <feeshon> I have a script running sendemail but I am getting a TLS error
[21:21] <feeshon> an 31 15:21:34 raspbmc sendemail[9118]: ERROR => No TLS support! SendEmail can't load required libraries. (try installing Net::SSLeay and IO::Socket::SSL)
[21:22] <JakeSays> linuxthefish: i'm currently using a power strip with a builtin usb port
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[21:23] <feeshon> Anyone have any idea?
[21:23] <pronto> FREDR1K: question, have you tried doing what the error says to do?
[21:23] <DoWhileGeek> my pi wont boot up. the pwr led is on, but the act led isnt
[21:23] <feeshon> yes
[21:24] <DoWhileGeek> Have I fried it somehow?
[21:24] <IT_Sean_> Have you done anything that may have fried it? :p
[21:24] <DoWhileGeek> and yes, the sd is in there
[21:24] <feeshon> DoWhileGeek: what video connection are you connected to? what distro are you using?
[21:24] <IT_Sean_> Lets start from the beginning... what distro is on your SD card?
[21:24] <DoWhileGeek> I put the cobbler expansion thing on there, but I dont think that'd do anything bad.
[21:25] <IT_Sean_> Did it ever boot?
[21:25] <DoWhileGeek> feeshon: I used hdmi like I always do
[21:25] <IT_Sean_> i.e. was it working, and then stopped?
[21:25] <DoWhileGeek> IT_Sean_: yes
[21:25] <IT_Sean_> Okay.
[21:25] <DoWhileGeek> no I just brought it into the office, plugged it in and it wont boot
[21:25] <IT_Sean_> Unplug everything. Try it with just the powr supply, video cable and SD card.
[21:25] <IT_Sean_> oooh
[21:25] <IT_Sean_> okay.
[21:25] <IT_Sean_> Did you write the OS to the SD card?
[21:25] <DoWhileGeek> tried that, still doesnt work
[21:26] <DoWhileGeek> yea, I have wheezy on there and I've booted into it several times before today
[21:26] <IT_Sean_> Are you using the same power sully now as you were when it was booting properly?
[21:26] <IT_Sean_> *supply
[21:26] <DoWhileGeek> yes
[21:27] <IT_Sean_> Have you done anything that may have corrupted the SD card? i.e. sudden shut downs... updates... etc...?
[21:27] <IT_Sean_> It sounds like it cannot find the OS to boot.
[21:27] <DoWhileGeek> I turn it off by unplugging the power supply
[21:27] <IT_Sean_> Do you HALT the system first? or just yank it?
[21:27] <DoWhileGeek> too lazy to do it the right way XD
[21:27] <DoWhileGeek> I just yank it when I want it out
[21:27] <IT_Sean_> You'vep robably corrupted the SD card.
[21:28] <IT_Sean_> re-flash it, and retry.
[21:28] <DoWhileGeek> oh good, ok
[21:28] <DoWhileGeek> is there a way to shut down a pi via ssh?
[21:28] <DoWhileGeek> I LOVE ssh
[21:28] <mjr> "halt"
[21:28] <DoWhileGeek> ah k
[21:28] <IT_Sean_> The halt command should do it.
[21:28] <mjr> as root)(
[21:28] <IT_Sean_> or the shutdown command, i would thing.
[21:28] <DoWhileGeek> thanks guys, I was gettin all nervous
[21:28] <IT_Sean_> *think.
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> halt doesn't,t stop it drawing power
[21:28] <IT_Sean_> :p
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> that needs hardware
[21:29] <IT_Sean_> aye... halt just stops the OS. You need to then unplug it.
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> if that's what you mean
[21:29] <IT_Sean_> But you should halt it before unplugging
[21:29] <mjr> oh yeah, it doesn't, but it does put it in a state where you can safely remove the card
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> indeed
[21:29] <elek> i recall there being a github project that searched or updated firmware, does anyone happen to know the name?
[21:30] <linuxthefish> is 4.79 volts on my pi ok?
[21:30] <IT_Sean_> it's within the range.
[21:31] <linuxthefish> i only have a 25mA usb keyboard, and a powered USB hub plugged in
[21:31] <Holden> DoWhileGeek, you're like my friend, he used to think "Oh well, life's too short to halt the pi properly", until he ran into serious file system corruption :D
[21:31] <IT_Sean_> lol
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[21:31] <DoWhileGeek> well thankfully I havnt applied any serious tasks/data to it yet
[21:32] <axion> linuxthefish: yes
[21:32] <linuxthefish> none of my power supplys work on the pi :'(
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[21:32] <linuxthefish> few seconds into quake 3, and the voltage drops to around 4.20v and restarts :(
[21:33] <axion> +/- 0.25v is within usb spec
[21:33] <IT_Sean_> linuxthefish: what's the rating on the PSU?
[21:33] <linuxthefish> apple charger, 5v 1a
[21:34] <linuxthefish> my 2.1a nexus 7 charger does the same thing
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[21:37] <Job-> (19:47:49) <+bparker> Job-: gst-launch v4l2src ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink sync=false
[21:37] <Job-> what does all that mean bparker :-$
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[21:42] <Job-> what software packages can I use to access websites? luvcview doesnt work ;-0\
[21:42] <Job-> webcams*
[21:47] <Torikun> cheese
[21:48] <Job-> ^o)?
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[21:49] <lars_t_h> linuxthefish, some PSUs are oversold, i had bought a 5 volt, 2,5 ampere PSU with protection circuits - works perfectly, but it was expensive, approx. DKK kr 130 (= GBP 14,=USD $ 22)
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[21:52] <linuxthefish> i'll just borrow a lab power supply from a friend at work, and chop the end of my USB cable off ;)
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[21:55] <linuxthefish> any dangers with using a 5amp power suply?
[21:55] <linuxthefish> supply*
[21:55] <IT_Sean_> Nope
[21:55] <IT_Sean_> Long as it's 5v
[21:56] <IT_Sean_> The Pi will only draw what it needs, up to 700mA. THe output rating on the PSU is the MAXIMUM that psu CAN supply.
[21:56] <linuxthefish> does the polyfuse thing protect the GPIO ports etc
[21:56] <linuxthefish> ? *
[21:57] <IT_Sean_> No
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[21:57] <IT_Sean_> There is NO protection on the GPIO ports!
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[21:58] <linuxthefish> i'll put some tape over them or something
[21:58] <IT_Sean_> make sure it's non-conductive tape!
[21:58] <IT_Sean_> or just ignore 'em
[21:59] <linuxthefish> i don't like the idea of 5 amps going through my RPi :(
[21:59] <IT_Sean_> your Pi will not have 5 amps going through it
[21:59] <murphycr> linuxthefish: it won't
[21:59] <IT_Sean_> it will only have a maximum of 700mA
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[21:59] * IT_Sean_ was pretty sure he explained that
[22:00] <murphycr> linuxthefish: If by some wierd accident it does, at least you'll get a pretty fireworks show :)
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[22:00] <mjr> there was probably a misunderstanding; if you're feeding in power from the standard microusb input, the fuse protects the gpio header 5v output
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[22:00] <mjr> the actual gpios are unprotected
[22:00] <IT_Sean_> The raspberrypi board will only draw up to 700mA. Even if you are using a 5A supply.
[22:00] <IT_Sean_> That's .7 of an A
[22:01] <Torikun> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mCCYLC-4xA
[22:01] <IT_Sean_> i.e. it will only have 700mA "flowing through it"
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[22:02] <IT_Sean_> It is not physically possible for the traces on the board to handle 5A. It would go POOF in a pretty spectacular manner :p
[22:02] <IT_Sean_> That said, you CAN use a 5A supply safely.
[22:02] <murphycr> IT_Sean_: ^ as I said. Pretty fireworks :P
[22:02] <IT_Sean_> indeed.
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[22:02] <murphycr> agh. so that wierd issue I had yesterday was because I had the ribbon cable going to the cobbler backwards. The Pi still functions, but should I be worried that I now might have 'dead' GPIO lines from potentially shorting them out, or would it have fried the whole chip?
[22:03] <IT_Sean_> If you managed to short anything, you probably would have released the magical blue smoke.
[22:03] <IT_Sean_> You are probably alright. But, for crissakes man... be Careful
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> shorting gpios can do either nothing, kill those iOS, or do more damage
[22:04] <murphycr> crap. Now I'm nervous >_<
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[22:04] <IT_Sean_> well... get testing then.
[22:04] <IT_Sean_> Besides... if you did nuke it... a replacement will be cheap.
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[22:05] <IT_Sean_> That's part of the beauty of the raspi. It's not a $1,200 laptop you need to worry about and baby. It's cheap enough you can afford to make mistakes with it.
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[22:05] <murphycr> the difficult part is finding the darn things
[22:05] <IT_Sean_> Not so much finding them... waiting for them to arrive. :p
[22:05] <IT_Sean_> But still...
[22:05] <pronto> http://i.imgur.com/i4LX9Qo.jpg so...um, wow xD
[22:06] <IT_Sean_> The heck!!!???
[22:06] <pronto> appetnly it worked at one time to
[22:06] <IT_Sean_> that's... ... That's just poor. That's a prime example of start over and route the board again.
[22:06] <pronto> my boss and coworker made it years ago , they needed a prototype out that day, didnt have time to get it printed right
[22:06] <murphycr> That is a prime example of why EEs commit suicide
[22:07] <IT_Sean_> murphycr: if it makes you fell better... I've released the magical blue smoke from much more expensive stuff.
[22:07] <pronto> they did get it printed right later
[22:07] <pronto> but, wow
[22:07] <murphycr> IT_Sean_: As have I. If I knew right now i'd be fine. The suspense is what kills
[22:08] <IT_Sean_> I was working on an embedded device that the company i was working for manufactured. Mind you, this was a prototype. One of only two in existence. At a pre-production build cost of around 5k.
[22:08] <DoWhileGeek> hey so I reimaged the sd card, and the act led is still unlit and it wont boot
[22:08] <Armand> I'll have to show you guys the switching controller my friend is making. :D
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[22:08] <IT_Sean_> I knocked a metal bodied pen off a shelf onto the main board. shorted 12v to 3.3v lines.
[22:09] <IT_Sean_> BANG POOF fzzzl POP
[22:09] <murphycr> Ouch.
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[22:09] <IT_Sean_> I had been working there all of three days at the time.
[22:09] <Armand> IT_Sean_, much more fun to switch an ATX PSU from 110v to 240v while it's powered. :P
[22:10] <IT_Sean_> The head elec. engineer, my supervisor, walked over, patted me on the back, said "welcome aboard" and handed me the other prototype. :p
[22:10] <Armand> Or, was it the other way?? No matter.
[22:10] <DoWhileGeek> IT_Sean_: lolwut
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[22:10] <murphycr> Armand: What happened?
[22:11] <Armand> *BANG!*
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[22:11] <murphycr> IT_Sean_: I would have done something I can't describe due to this channel's language policy.. It has to do with bricks though
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[22:11] <IT_Sean_> a 110v PSU plugged into 240 goes BANG. a 240v PSU into 110 also goes pop, but less dramatically.
[22:11] <IT_Sean_> lol
[22:11] <Armand> Ohh, this was like a gunshot.
[22:12] <IT_Sean_> At the same job, we got a pile of secondhand Cisco switches in.
[22:12] <IT_Sean_> I was given the job of testing them.
[22:12] <IT_Sean_> They all tested fine 'till i got to Big Bertha. A monster 4 RU jobbie.
[22:12] <IT_Sean_> I plugged 'er in, and ***BANG!***
[22:12] <IT_Sean_> The PSU exploded.
[22:12] <Armand> Oops ?
[22:12] <IT_Sean_> Shot the capacitors clear off the board.
[22:13] <Armand> Dayum!
[22:13] <IT_Sean_> Dented the lid with 'em.
[22:13] <Armand> Well done..
[22:13] <IT_Sean_> People two buildings over heard it.
[22:13] <IT_Sean_> (windows were open, it was summer)
[22:13] <Armand> I did once drag a bare 240v cable across a live motherboard. :P
[22:13] <IT_Sean_> My hearing wasn't quite right for days.
[22:13] <Armand> That was funny..
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> wiring a tantalum capacitor over the main makes for a good flashbang...
[22:15] <IT_Sean_> I've released the magical blue smoke from lots of devices.
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[22:15] <IT_Sean_> It sort of happens, sometimes.
[22:15] <IT_Sean_> I used to work with a lot of prototypes.
[22:15] <scummos> I built an amplifier and when I connected it it smoked a bit
[22:15] <scummos> but it's working fine
[22:15] <murphycr> IT_Sean_: In my sophomore year of college, was working on a gauss rifle as a proof of concept for a physics class. I was effectively dumping 400V from a 3.3 F capacitor into a giant inductor. My calculations indicated a peak current of 800A. Used a 1200A rated IGBT (souped up MOSFET). Accidently left the gate input floating during a test charge. There are still pieces of that IGBT embedded in the cieling of that dorm room
[22:15] <scummos> I didn't find out until now what caused the smoke ;P
[22:15] <murphycr> ceiling*
[22:15] <IT_Sean_> I was usually the one to discover, by way of smell, that someone had accidentally routed the board in such a way as to short 12v to ground, or 48v to 3.3v, or whatever
[22:15] <scummos> hahaha
[22:16] <scummos> 48v to 3.3v sounds funny
[22:16] <IT_Sean_> murphycr: LOL
[22:16] <IT_Sean_> 48v to 3.3v leaves trenches in the board where the 3.3v traces USED to be.
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[22:16] <IT_Sean_> ... and creaters some very expensive ICs.
[22:17] <murphycr> IT_Sean_: 600V at 800A leaves dents in anything close by when the event occurred
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[22:17] <murphycr> 400**
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[22:18] <murphycr> I did have one successful discharge of it though at full power. I was using an arduino to control it through my computer; I didn't have a projectile in it, but I knew the dischagre was successful because about 10 seconds later my computer BSOD'ed. The HDD waas completely wiped from the EM pulse
[22:19] <Hodapp> o_O
[22:19] <murphycr> That entire project probably wasn't my brightest idea
[22:20] <IT_Sean_> HAHAHAHAHAH!
[22:20] <IT_Sean_> E P I C
[22:20] <Armand> I have a switching controller on the way, which will control my 240v transformer... the controller itself is all 12v DC though.
[22:20] <murphycr> Yeah.... I didn't really think so at the time
[22:20] <Armand> I would have NO idea how to make that work. :P
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[22:22] <Armand> Thankfully the genius EE in Cali knows exactly what to do. ^_^
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[22:23] <murphycr> You want a real fireworks show, through an old pentium into a microwave
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[22:23] <IT_Sean_> That's just mean.
[22:24] <IT_Sean_> Poor microwave. :(
[22:24] <murphycr> I'm going to get banned from this channel for being an idiot
[22:24] <_pash> hello, ordered my raspberry pi today =) good decision? gonna be doing some hacking soon!
[22:24] <IT_Sean_> murphycr ??
[22:24] <IT_Sean_> _pash: Def'nitly a good decision.
[22:24] <murphycr> IT_Sean_: Every idea I think I've metioned thusfar ends up in fire or an explosion
[22:24] <IT_Sean_> There are no rules against releasing of the magical blue smoke.
[22:25] <IT_Sean_> :D
[22:25] <murphycr> _pash: Yes. I got mine a week a go and am still completely engrossed in it. _Well_ worth it
[22:25] <_pash> IT_Sean_: any suggestions where to start from? im planning for it to run arch
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[22:25] <IT_Sean_> Well... I'd start by writing the OS to the SD card, and booting the thing.
[22:25] <murphycr> _pash: I would recommend Raspian simply because it's most common AFAIK
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[22:26] <LordThumper> Hi, has anyone managed any kind of GBA emulator on the Pi?
[22:26] <LordThumper> *emulation
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[22:27] <_pash> murphycr: really? well i heard it was a bit laggy? or no?
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[22:30] <_pash> i've bought the B model.. thats the only one shipped right now ye?
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[22:33] <DoWhileGeek> so my rasp pi wont boot. The pwr led is on, but the act led doesnt
[22:33] <mdik> LordThumper: have you tried mednafen (sudo aptitude install mednafen)?
[22:33] <mdik> DoWhileGeek: has it ever booted?
[22:33] <SwK> anyone know of a good 12 to 16 button keypad that would be ideal for using with an RPi? (i2c interfacing is ok)
[22:35] <DoWhileGeek> mdik: yes, It has a lot before today. Someone suggested that when I pull the plug without shutting down the os caused a corruption with the sd card so I wrote a new img and it still wont boot.
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[22:35] <LordThumper> mdik: Not yet, thought it only emulated GB/C. Thanks :)
[22:35] <LordThumper> brb
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[22:35] <IT_Sean_> _pash: yes. Only the B is out right now.
[22:36] <mdik> DoWhileGeek: that sounds bad :(
[22:36] <DoWhileGeek> mdik: Is it fried? x.x
[22:37] <DoWhileGeek> is there a way to test?
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[22:39] <cityLights> hi
[22:40] <cityLights> I can't boot when I give the gpu 16Mb ram
[22:40] <cityLights> I am not using a screen , but connecting using ssh
[22:40] <cityLights> did this works for anyone?
[22:42] <Armand> Works fine on mine.
[22:42] <pksato> last time, worked with 16MB gpu
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[22:46] <qasd> Does it make sense to make a mediacenter from a raspberry? pricewise? fnctionalitywise?
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[22:46] <Nik05> works here too with 16mb
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[22:47] <hybr1d8> raspbmc is a pretty good media centre install for the pi
[22:47] <hybr1d8> works nicely - but as a warning fullHD stuff doesn't work so well (ie: it can be tricky for 1080p videos)
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[22:50] <jacekowski> no
[22:50] <jacekowski> 1080p works just fine
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[22:51] <feeshon> h> does the polyfuse thing protect the GPIO ports etc
[22:51] <hybr1d8> yes - but the encoding is much more important for 1080p
[22:51] <feeshon> [feeshon(+i)] [4:freenode/#raspberrypi(+cgnrt)]
[22:51] <IT_Sean_> feeshon: there is no protection on the GPIO.
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[22:51] <hybr1d8> I have a number of 1080p files that struggle on the pi
[22:52] <feeshon> Jan 31 16:51:13 raspbmc sendemail[9400]: ERROR => No TLS support! SendEmail can't load required libraries. (try installing Net::SSLeay and IO::Socket::SSL)
[22:52] <feeshon> SO I am getting that error
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[22:52] <qasd> basically i want a mediacenter that is constantly online and downloading and i want to be able to communicate with it. id rather make it myself, just wondering if it is suitable for it
[22:52] <ParkerR> Anybody else had the issue of getting typing to work in XBMC from minimal installs? I tried sudo chown -R parker /dev/input/ as a temporary test and it still doesn't ;et me type in XBMC
[22:52] <IT_Sean_> That said, if you are powering via the microusb power input, the 5v supply gpio pin is polyfuse'd
[22:52] <ParkerR> *let
[22:52] <hybr1d8> qasd: the pi is good for that sort of thing
[22:52] <jacekowski> feeshon: install required libraries
[22:53] <hybr1d8> apt-get install libnet-ssleay-perl libio-socket-ssl-perl
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[22:55] * KiltedPi has got his breadboard, tactile PCB switch, LED and resistors.
[22:55] <KiltedPi> :)
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[22:55] <KiltedPi> All I need now, is a 3.3v power transformer, and a display for my pi
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, what are you driving?
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[22:56] <KiltedPi> I heard a rumour some ppl have used those 'digital photo frame's' as a display
[22:56] <KiltedPi> Drogon! I'm impressed! I've seen your website
[22:56] <pksato> KiltedPi: ATX PSU have all needs. :)
[22:56] <KiltedPi> I recognise the name
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[22:56] <gordonDrogon> hello...
[22:56] <KiltedPi> :)
[22:56] <KiltedPi> How do!
[22:56] <KiltedPi> I'm just making an LED test circuit
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:56] <cityLights> Armand I am using 32 now and I see 121Mb total memory - does this make sense?
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[22:57] <feeshon> I was missing one of them which I thought had installed
[22:57] <Armand> cityLights, none at all... to me.
[22:57] <pksato> KiltedPi: for safety, use 2x1.5AA battery,
[22:57] <feeshon> Now I am getting a new error but I think I have a fix for
[22:57] <pksato> 1.5V AA
[22:58] <qasd> hybr1d8: What about storage, can i just connect an external harddrive?
[22:58] <KiltedPi> ah, I might have a NICAD batt
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[22:58] <IT_Sean_> qasd: you will need a powered hub, or an externally powered HDD
[22:58] <hybr1d8> qasd: external HD works good as long as the drive is powered
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> 2 x AA's won't drive a Pi..
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> Pi needs 5v
[22:58] <hybr1d8> (no usb-powered drive since the pi is too weak to power it)
[22:58] <KiltedPi> The Pi will be powered seperately Gordon
[22:59] <KiltedPi> I'm using a seperate supply for the circuit
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[22:59] <gordonDrogon> does the circuit need extra power?
[22:59] <pksato> 3v to power led from simple transistor switch.
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> LEDs shouldn't ...
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
[22:59] <hybr1d8> The GPIO outputs are 3.3v
[23:00] <hybr1d8> so to power a led just a small resistor is needed
[23:00] <IT_Sean_> da.
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> unless they're really high power LEDs you don't need transistors..
[23:00] <cityLights> can I deactivate the ethernet and gpu to reduce power usage?
[23:00] <pksato> modern LED have a high brigth with low corrent as 5mA.
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[23:00] <double-you> hybr1d8: dont rely on it
[23:00] <KiltedPi> rbh
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> cityLights, not without a soldering iron...
[23:00] <IT_Sean_> cityLights: no.
[23:00] <KiltedPi> To be honest-
[23:00] <double-you> someone comes around and wants to connect a 50mA LED directly
[23:00] <KiltedPi> I'm not very good with electronics
[23:00] <hybr1d8> :)
[23:01] <KiltedPi> I know software tho!
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> a 50mA LED - that's one BIG led!
[23:01] <hybr1d8> ooh - shiny
[23:01] <IT_Sean_> that's in the "Signal ET" catagory.
[23:01] <IT_Sean_> :p
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[23:01] <KiltedPi> hehehe
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[23:01] <KiltedPi> I had a circuit diagram somewhere-
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> I have connected some 80mA LEDs though.
[23:02] <hybr1d8> One of my pi's does control 4 RGB 12V led strips which can be quite bright - but needed separate power + various transistors for that
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[23:02] <KiltedPi> What about this? -> http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv158/NightsBane666/ledtestdiagram_zps3560a8dc.png
[23:03] <KiltedPi> I started with that, then added three resistors and a switch
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[23:05] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/gpio-examples-1-a-single-led/
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[23:09] <qasd> @IT_Sean_: why a powered hub?
[23:10] <sofyan> am trying to install wvdial by using this command sudo apt-get install wvdial
[23:10] <sofyan> i get this E: Unable to locate package wvdial
[23:10] <sofyan> anyone knows how to fix it?
[23:12] <hybr1d8> qasd: the powered hub is needed if you are using a usb-powered drive (since the pi can't provide enough power for it)
[23:12] <hybr1d8> if you are using a powered drive then a powered hub is not needed
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[23:15] <qasd> i c
[23:15] <KiltedPi^> gordon
[23:15] <KiltedPi^> okay to PM you?
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[23:16] <qasd> but a HDD is quite expensive, 150$ for 500 GB. THAT+ RASP THEN MIGHT as well buy a cheap laptop almost.
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[23:17] <KiltedPi^> In this diagram- https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/example1.jpg
[23:17] <KiltedPi^> What kind of connector fits with the GPIO?
[23:18] <hybr1d8> It's just a 1-pin socket
[23:18] <KiltedPi^> So what should I get from Maplin?
[23:18] <KiltedPi^> (Electronics shop)
[23:18] <pksato> I dont know name of these conector, but it is very comon.
[23:18] <hybr1d8> you can buy wires that go from socket to pin
[23:19] <double-you> ata cable? ;)
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[23:19] <KiltedPi^> ATA?
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[23:19] <pksato> 40 pin IDE ATA, are a flat cable.
[23:19] <KiltedPi^> Ah ha!
[23:19] <KiltedPi^> I've got one
[23:19] <KiltedPi^> Its the connector I'm after though
[23:19] * KiltedPi^ digs up his old IDE cable
[23:20] <hybr1d8> http://littlebirdelectronics.com/products/jumper-wires-f-m-65-pack
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[23:20] <pksato> It is large, but, pin spaacinh are same.
[23:20] <hybr1d8> there is an example of a suitable wire
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[23:20] <hybr1d8> IDE cable does work well (hangs over the edge a bit but have used that before ;) )
[23:21] <KiltedPi^> I'm dropping by maplin electronics tommorow
[23:21] <KiltedPi^> in Glasgow
[23:21] <KiltedPi^> So I'll just pick some up-
[23:21] <hybr1d8> http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=PS0987
[23:21] <KiltedPi^> thnx!
[23:21] <hybr1d8> That is the sort of plug you really want though - grab one of them plus a 26-pin ribbon cable and you can split out all the pins :)
[23:22] <hybr1d8> (the urls are for stores in australia - but they should explain what they are enough for you to find the equiv near you ;) )
[23:22] <hybr1d8> unless you feel the need to fly over to .au :P
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[23:23] <Joeboy> KiltedPi^: http://www.maplin.co.uk/productsearch?criteria=pcb+terminal would be an option (the first few, I mean)
[23:24] <Joeboy> although not if you need both rows of the header
[23:24] <KiltedPi^> Joeboy- they look like they are twin females?
[23:24] <pksato> or, go to some electronic recycle facility. :)
[23:24] <KiltedPi^> I'm looking for single pin connectors
[23:24] <KiltedPi^> http://littlebirdelectronics.com/products/jumper-wires-f-m-65-pack
[23:24] <KiltedPi^> I found that under 'jumper wires'
[23:24] <KiltedPi^> That do?
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[23:25] <KiltedPi^> Ooops
[23:25] <KiltedPi^> bad link-
[23:25] <KiltedPi^> This one: http://www.maplin.co.uk/flexible-jumper-wires-2013
[23:25] <hybr1d8> You need Female to Male jumper wires
[23:26] <hybr1d8> those ones are male to male
[23:26] <KiltedPi^> urgh
[23:27] <qasd> but a HDD is quite expensive, 150$ for 500 GB. THAT+ RASP THEN MIGHT as well buy a cheap laptop almost. making your own media center ends up just as expensive?
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[23:28] <pksato> qasd: if but a new ones.
[23:28] <mjr> that's an expensive HDD
[23:28] <hybr1d8> KiltedPi^: http://www.maplin.co.uk/gpio-cable-for-raspberry-pi-682482
[23:28] <Aebleskiver> Yeah, expensive o.O
[23:29] <KiltedPi^> How did you you cut off the end connector of your IDE cable?
[23:29] <double-you> no
[23:29] <qasd> so pricewise, making your own mediacenter is cheaper if you are willing to put in some time yourself?
[23:29] <double-you> thats expensive http://www.ebay.de/itm/Raspberry-Pi-GPIO-Kabel-26-polig-2x13-Buchse-Buchse-gratis-Wannenstecker-/200886194942
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[23:29] <pksato> KiltedPi^: https://www.adafruit.com/category/105
[23:30] <Aebleskiver> qasd: Where you get your HD from?
[23:30] <KiltedPi^> I just want single connectors tho! :S
[23:30] <Aebleskiver> You can get a 3TB drive for about $120 equiv here
[23:30] <KiltedPi^> for individual ports on the GPIO
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[23:30] <KiltedPi^> :/
[23:30] <hybr1d8> I had a look around maplin but didn't find any suitable ones :(
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[23:31] <pksato> KiltedPi^: you can find some on old computer case.
[23:31] <KiltedPi^> Yeah, got an IDE cable in my lap
[23:31] <Aebleskiver> use an old floppy cable
[23:31] <KiltedPi^> right now. and a stanley knife
[23:31] <KiltedPi^> Dunno where to begin!
[23:32] <KiltedPi^> Floppy! Jesus, how old are you guys!
[23:32] <KiltedPi^> >_<
[23:32] * KiltedPi^ doesn't have a floppy drive
[23:32] <qasd> aebleskiver: ok good, i was just checking the normal component store i use, elfa
[23:32] <qasd> where do you buy?
[23:32] <KiltedPi^> Maplin
[23:32] <hybr1d8> Don't cut the header - just cut off the last few leads
[23:32] <KiltedPi^> thats the UK one
[23:32] <Aebleskiver> qasd: Look at Amazon maybe, lots of cheap HD there..
[23:32] <double-you> I have about 10 of those ide cables at home...
[23:32] <KiltedPi^> Its how to cut the connector tho yeah
[23:33] <KiltedPi^> Any tutorials anywhere?
[23:33] <KiltedPi^> Shame maplin dont have any, so its IDE for broke gais!
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[23:33] <Aebleskiver> Just grab a floppy cable :)
[23:33] <Aebleskiver> It has a slightly better fit, with a small overhang
[23:34] * KiltedPi^ has none :(
[23:34] <KiltedPi^> Damn
[23:34] <hybr1d8> http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/male-to-female-jumper-wires-10pk.html
[23:34] <Aebleskiver> It's amazing that no-one uses IDE cables anymore... seems to be all SATA these days
[23:34] <KiltedPi^> The 'black' connector on my IDE-
[23:34] <KiltedPi^> Its thick, black plastic
[23:34] <hybr1d8> that store seems to be in the OK
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[23:35] <KiltedPi^> Do I cut that bit off to make the female connector?
[23:35] <hybr1d8> OK=UK
[23:35] <KiltedPi^> (To the GPIO)
[23:35] <KiltedPi^> YAY
[23:35] <Aebleskiver> KiltedPi^: Well, no need to bother really if you don't care about the overhang
[23:35] <KiltedPi^> Thanks hybr1d8!
[23:35] <KiltedPi^> That'll do nicely!
[23:35] <KiltedPi^> Thanks all of you in fact-
[23:35] <pksato> 25 wires http://imageshack.us/a/img819/3074/ppcable00.jpg
[23:36] <KiltedPi^> Tandy is UK yep
[23:36] <Aebleskiver> Yep, those jumper wires are nice
[23:36] <hybr1d8> An IDE cable will have two or more connectors.
[23:36] <hybr1d8> You just need one - cut it off but make sure to leave some ribbon still on there ;)
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[23:36] <Aebleskiver> Didn't realise they still had stores o.O
[23:36] <pksato> 26 http://imageshack.us/a/img341/677/cable26vias.jpg
[23:36] <hybr1d8> second link down when searching for "uk jumper lead female to male"
[23:36] <nemo> Hey folks. I was curious. How much raw power does that southampton rpi cluster have (gpu/cpu) - is it enough to truly call it a supercomputer?
[23:36] <nemo> I poked around, but their site doesn't seem to mention any estimates or measurements
[23:37] <KiltedPi^> I read about it too
[23:37] <KiltedPi^> You hashing passwords or summink nemo!
[23:37] <nemo> hehe
[23:37] * KiltedPi^ tuts
[23:37] <pksato> And, I used this lasta to make it http://imageshack.us/a/img526/4088/rpigpiobreadxyz01.jpg
[23:37] <nemo> KiltedPi^: naw. just was curious if it was a practical approach :)
[23:37] <KiltedPi^> That'd do it mind you.
[23:37] <KiltedPi^> Nah, use gfx cards
[23:37] <Amadiro> nemo, definitely not a practical approach
[23:37] <nemo> presumably easier to keep cool :)
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[23:38] <KiltedPi^> Expensive
[23:38] <Amadiro> but there might be some way to utilize at least some of the silicone on the videocore to do some computations
[23:38] <nemo> KiltedPi^: he put 16GiB SSD which seems excessive
[23:38] <Amadiro> (but not most of it, probably)
[23:38] <nemo> KiltedPi^: over here, an 8GiB class 6 SSD sells for $10 at staples
[23:38] <Aebleskiver> Yep, use Teslas GPUs if you want a supercomputer.. don't really understand the RP-i cluster thing
[23:39] <nemo> he estimated $4k for the whole setup which seems like way too much. get smaller SSDs, $5/SSD, $25/PI.. $30*64 is $2k
[23:39] <nemo> gotta spend a bit on the cables but...
[23:39] <nemo> Aebleskiver: well. the boards and everything are all setup for you. presumably the GPUs you'd need to invest a bit in infrastructure
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[23:40] <nid0> nemo: basically, its alright on a budget but its nothing amazing. its a cheap way to get some slow parallel processing power but its nothing a very small blade cluster couldnt absolutely destroy
[23:40] <Amadiro> for that price you can get a big-ass FPGA board or a very powerful motherboard + cpu with many cores anyway, which will probably outperform the thing
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[23:40] <Amadiro> I don't know what a server setup with 64 CPUs costs nowadays, but it's probably not that expensive anymore?
[23:40] <Aebleskiver> Does the VideoCore IV have any kind of support for OpenCL or similar?
[23:40] <Amadiro> Aebleskiver, nah
[23:40] <KiltedPi^> Its pretty cheap for a super computer tho!
[23:41] <nemo> Amadiro: hm. could you really get superior perf out of a $2k ordinary mobo + CPU?
[23:41] <nemo> 64 PIs is quite a lot, 1Ghz ARM per pi... no idea s to the GPU
[23:41] <KiltedPi^> I think the point of that uni project was to show the modular nature of supercomputers...
[23:41] <KiltedPi^> or something...
[23:41] <chithead> the cpu can do gpu compute, a firmware was just published that does vp8/theora decode on the gpu
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[23:41] <nid0> depends on your code requirements
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[23:41] <KiltedPi^> Theres some protocol or the other-
[23:41] <KiltedPi^> for multi threading pc's like that
[23:41] <Amadiro> nemo, the CPU on the pi is very weak, a single modern intel CPU can probably outperform 10 or more of them
[23:41] <nid0> for something massively parallel the pis would win, as you wont get 64 threads of x86 for 2 grand
[23:42] <nemo> Amadiro: 10 or more? serious? a multicore intel CPU mebbe. single core, seems unlikely
[23:42] <DoWhileGeek> lets say you accidentaly connect any given two GPIO pins. Could any possible combination fry your pi?
[23:42] <chithead> the videocore gpu is not weak at all compared to other mobile gpus
[23:42] <nemo> nid0: not to mention the GPU
[23:42] <KiltedPi^> You could do billions of hashes on em
[23:42] <KiltedPi^> and cheap
[23:42] <Amadiro> nemo, well, all the modern ones are multi-core
[23:42] <Aebleskiver> Seems a waste of money really, and not the purpose of the R-Pi...
[23:42] <nid0> nemo: even relatively cheap core processors these days run 8 threads
[23:42] <nemo> Amadiro: something like 4 cores tho. not sure a 4 core modern could outperform 10 RPIs. seems it'd be close
[23:42] <DoWhileGeek> Aebleskiver: lemme guess someones asking about bitcoin mining
[23:42] <nid0> but scaling that up to 64 costs more than 2 grand
[23:42] <Aebleskiver> For that cost, you could buy a couple of Teslas which would way outperform any R-Pis you could cluster for that price
[23:43] <Amadiro> nemo, my server is running a 64-core xeon... I don't know what it would cost to buy, though
[23:44] <pksato> I have a idea to use connector like it to easy GPIO access http://www.ebay.com/itm/24-Speaker-Cable-Spring-Load-12-Push-In-Connector-ST12-/300562739846?pt=US_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item45faef7286
[23:44] <qasd> so pricewise, making your own mediacenter is cheaper if you are willing to put in some time yourself?
[23:44] <Amadiro> you can also probably get a few Virtex or so for 2k and stash more than 64 ARM cores in there (probably?)
[23:44] <nemo> Amadiro: hm. prices on xeons are insanely high. 8 core for $5k+
[23:44] <Aebleskiver> qasd: Well yeah, plus you get better control over its function, of course
[23:44] <Amadiro> I don't know how many ARM cores you could stash into one high-end FPGA
[23:44] <nemo> Amadiro: also, the RPIs, even full-throttle, are only sucking down like 4 watts a piece no?
[23:45] <chris_99> Amadiro, FPGAs don't clock as fast
[23:45] <nemo> Amadiro: hm. I can't even find a 64 core xeon anywhere to check the price
[23:45] <nemo> 16 was highest I found
[23:45] <nemo> and that was expensive
[23:45] <Amadiro> chris_99, I don't really know how fast you can clock the high-end virtex ones, I've only used spartans at like 200-500MHz
[23:45] <jacekowski> Amadiro: probably no
[23:45] <chris_99> yeah normally around 500MHz tops i _think_
[23:46] <Amadiro> nemo, yes, but like 90% of those 4 watts are wasted on things you don't use, like the external networking chip, the usb host controller and the videocore in general
[23:46] <nemo> Amadiro: well. for distributed cluster, networking is not a waste ;)
[23:46] <jacekowski> Amadiro: you can probably stick one high end ARM core on virtex
[23:46] <chris_99> cool, what do you use FPGAs for
[23:46] <chris_99> i just got one to play with
[23:46] <nemo> Amadiro: USB host controller I doubt is a huge amount of that 4. most of it is probably cpu/gpu
[23:46] <Amadiro> nemo, it is not, but doing it on an external chip is a huge energy waste
[23:46] <nemo> Amadiro: besides. you could power down USB
[23:47] <Aebleskiver> Achronix Speedster FPGA = 1.5GHz
[23:47] <Amadiro> jacekowski, well, maybe ARM wouldn't be the best choice, I've seen some people do 8 cores or more on it with full FPU support
[23:48] <Amadiro> nemo, yeah... it's probably not the worst deal around if you care about flops/watt, but it isn't hard to engineer something better either (assuming you don't care about engineering cost)
[23:49] <nemo> well. rpi does seem to have simplicity of assembly going for it :)
[23:49] <Amadiro> besides, having many weak cores with very slow networking interconnects will, for many applications, severely limit your application throughput
[23:49] <nemo> anyway. I was mostly curious if there was some way to ballpark max bogomips that could be eked out of it
[23:49] <nemo> (their 64 pi one)
[23:49] <Aebleskiver> Would be nice to see a slightly more expensive Rasp-Pi based on AllWinner A20 or A31..
[23:49] <nemo> I know bogomips for the CPU
[23:49] <nemo> no clue on the GPU
[23:49] <Amadiro> if you were instead to, say, put a few MPUs on a single board with a high-speed bus that are each equivalent to the ARM core on the rpi, you'd probably still get vastly superior performance
[23:50] <nemo> I doubt "a few" would be vastly superior. depends on the code I suppose
[23:50] <nemo> how often the units need to talk
[23:50] <nemo> and how much data they need to exchange
[23:50] <Amadiro> nemo, I mean as many as you have raspberry pies
[23:50] <nemo> well. that's obvious ;)
[23:50] <Amadiro> because for most of the code that runs on most supercomputers, IPC latency is a huge deal
[23:50] <nemo> depending on vastly being sufficiently vague :D
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[23:51] <Amadiro> well, latency and throughput
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[23:51] <Amadiro> there are few problems that are so nice that you can just have each core chugging away at its own workload without ever having it have communicate/synchronize with the others
[23:51] <nemo> hm. he mentioned a tflop value in the video
[23:51] * nemo listens again
[23:52] <nemo> Amadiro: I can think of a few probs :) also. there's "without ever" and there is "minimal exchange of data" :)
[23:52] <Amadiro> so getting one mainboard with 8-or-so xeon cores will probably still have superior performance for your average supercomputing application, even if it is inferior when you add the FLOPS
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[23:55] <nemo> hm. ok. 60.8KFLOPS on linpack. looks like they just did the CPU tho, not the GPU :-/
[23:55] <Amadiro> nemo, well, an intel sandybridge with 8 cores supposedly has something like 150 gflops, feel free to figure out what the bcm chip has and do the math
[23:55] <nemo> er
[23:55] <nemo> my bad
[23:55] <chris_99> Aebleskiver, is that FPGA you mentioned out
[23:55] <nemo> 60.8MFLOPS
[23:55] <chris_99> sounds intriguing
[23:56] <nemo> Amadiro: I know what the BCM chip has
[23:56] <nemo> Amadiro: I have no idea how to turn that into flops
[23:56] <Amadiro> nemo, didn't you just say 60 mflops
[23:56] <nemo> Amadiro: CPU only
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[23:56] <Amadiro> nemo, well, we can't really use the GPU
[23:57] <nemo> no idea on GPU. and comparing it based on freq seems apples to bricks comparison
[23:57] <nemo> Amadiro: why not?
[23:57] <Amadiro> nemo, broadcom doesn't allow you to
[23:57] <chithead> the gpu can be used, but only as broadcom permits
[23:57] <nemo> can get quite a lot done w/ a shader
[23:57] <Amadiro> well.. that's extremely cumbersome
[23:57] <nemo> there are some truly creative examples of that in webgl
[23:57] <Tickle_> I recently installed a package but now I want to uninstall it, but when I do "sudo aptitude remove "package name
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[23:57] <nemo> Amadiro: not at all
[23:57] <nemo> Amadiro: unless you have a different idea of "extremely"
[23:57] <Tickle_> I recently installed a package but now I want to uninstall it, but when I do "sudo aptitude remove "package name", it does not remove all of the files, is there a way to fix this?
[23:58] <Amadiro> nemo, then tell me how you easily get big amounts of data out of the GPU after processing them with your vertex/fragment-shader
[23:58] <Nik05> what does it remove?
[23:58] <Nik05> aptitude purge "package name"?
[23:58] <Tickle_> the package is "ircd-hybrid"
[23:58] <Nik05> *what does it not remove?
[23:58] <pksato> Tickle_: use aptitude purge pkg
[23:59] <Tickle_> it doesn't remove /etc/init.d/ircd-hybird
[23:59] <pksato> purge remove conf. files.
[23:59] <nemo> Amadiro: just read out a texture. don't see the big issue here. I'm trying to think of where you see the catch as being
[23:59] <Nik05> yep use purge
[23:59] <nemo> Amadiro: amount of data? depends on max texture size. but. you know. that's also relative to what the processing is
[23:59] <Tickle_> I assume I replace pkg with "ircd-hybrid"

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