#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-02-01

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <Nik05> yes
[0:00] <Amadiro> nemo, you'd have to use a language that is not suited for scientific calculations, that nobody uses to do them, and that has no libraries (like ATLAS/etc) for what you typically want to do...
[0:00] <Nik05> with 'aptitude search ~c' you can see all packages that have not been purged
[0:00] <Amadiro> if this is a purely hypothetical scenario, sure
[0:00] <Tickle_> Okay when that is entered it says "... 1 to remove, and 8 will not upgrade"
[0:00] <Amadiro> but its highly impractical
[0:00] <Amadiro> and I suspect transferring the textures back to the CPU would also be really slow
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[0:01] <Nik05> tickle upgrade your system
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[0:01] <nemo> Amadiro: given the gpu and CPU share same ram, seems like it might be faster than you think
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[0:02] <Amadiro> nemo, well, maybe, we'd have to try that.
[0:02] <Tickle_> Nik05 via raspi-config?
[0:02] <Nik05> tickle are you using raspbian?
[0:02] <Tickle_> Yes
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[0:02] <Amadiro> nemo, but its not an operation that I would typically expect a vendor to optimize
[0:02] <Nik05> there is a #raspbian channel
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[0:03] <Tickle_> I will take my question there, thanks!
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[0:07] <KiltedPi^> Think this : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fujifilm-Card-Reader-SDHC-Cards/dp/B001725Y0Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1359673607&sr=1-1
[0:07] <KiltedPi^> will be okay with the pi?
[0:07] <KiltedPi^> :/
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[0:10] <nemo> oh well. taking CPU alone, the linpack score is about the same as an i7 (for all of 'em at once)
[0:10] <nemo> even if the GPU could be used in a way that doubled or tripled that, not practical apart from as a classroom tool :)
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[0:10] <nemo> KiltedPi^: huh. why is that needed?
[0:10] <nemo> one SD card isn't enough? :)
[0:10] <KiltedPi^> Does the pi have a built in SD card reader?
[0:11] <nemo> ofc
[0:11] <azk> yes
[0:11] <KiltedPi^> heh
[0:11] <pksato> one for boot, another to midia files. :)
[0:11] <KiltedPi^> Rly?
[0:11] <chithead> you can only boot from sd card and nothing else
[0:11] * KiltedPi^ re examines his pi
[0:11] <nemo> lol
[0:11] <nemo> KiltedPi^: it is a bit minimalist ;)
[0:11] <nemo> flip it over :)
[0:11] <chithead> you can use gpio to connect a second card (or even emulate a card to boot a second pi) :p
[0:12] <Aebleskiver> :)
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[0:12] <nemo> KiltedPi^: http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/RaspiModelB-1024x902.png
[0:12] <nemo> remember this?
[0:12] <KiltedPi^> Oh!
[0:12] <KiltedPi^> its on the bottom!
[0:12] <nemo> look at the lower left
[0:12] <Aebleskiver> It'll never boot from anything else than SD because the firmware is on the SD
[0:12] <KiltedPi^> Sneaky lil' pi!
[0:12] <KiltedPi^> Roger that
[0:12] <mgottschlag> I think someone mentioned in the forum that booting from USB would also be possible with proper drivers for the usb host
[0:13] <nemo> mgottschlag: network boot!
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[0:13] <chithead> I think there is some first stage loader in the bcm2835 which can be reprogrammed via jtag
[0:13] <nemo> chithead: good thing the pi is inexpensive 'cause that sounds like a risky operation
[0:13] <mgottschlag> chithead: nope, the bootrom is read-only afaik, but it already contains usb code
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[0:14] <mgottschlag> (there is some small ROM at 0x60008000 on the gpu)
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[0:14] <nemo> *sigh* every time I look at that picture, my pi feels so inferior w/ its 256MiB of RAM
[0:14] <nemo> that at the time was the high priced model
[0:15] <BillyBag2> hi, should i be able to us a ralink 3070?
[0:15] <mgottschlag> I don't think I've ever used more than 1MB during the last 3-4 months :)
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[0:15] <Tachyon`> hrm
[0:15] <Tachyon`> One does not simply Star Trek into Darkness!
[0:15] <Aebleskiver> nemo: could try upgrading it :)
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[0:15] <Aebleskiver> Not sure how you solder PoP type chips though o.O
[0:15] <nemo> Aebleskiver: heh. yes. for $35 :-p
[0:16] <nemo> http://shop.lego.com/en-US/Minecraft-21102 already dropped my cash on this
[0:16] * nemo is a big spender
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[0:16] <af1> oh hello irc, its been a long time!
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[0:17] <af1> been playing with my raspberry pi all evening, still as clueless as ever but enjoying it none the less
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[0:18] <Aebleskiver> hi af1
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[0:19] <Aebleskiver> That's weird, nemo
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[0:19] <BillyBag2> Hi, can I use a ralink 3070? I get the error that it the wrong device. I have tried the blacklist stuff. but then nothing.
[0:19] <Aebleskiver> Looks like a bunch of random lego parts
[0:19] <Aebleskiver> They probably swept the factory floor so they could put those sets together :P
[0:19] <plugwash> I don't think replacing the PoP chip is feasable, if you want an upgrade best bet is to buy a new one and sell the old one on ebay
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[0:20] <xiambax> Hey!
[0:20] <xiambax> My RPi came today!
[0:20] <xiambax> Stoked!
[0:20] <Aebleskiver> Woohoo, xiambax... welcome to the cult
[0:20] <Aebleskiver> :0
[0:20] <Aebleskiver> :)
[0:20] <xiambax> I may order a few more.
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[0:21] <nemo> yeep. the gpu can do 26gflops?
[0:21] <nemo> man. if programming it w/ shaders is practical, that's pretty awesome
[0:21] <nemo> I gotta find a problem to throw at it to see
[0:21] <nemo> GLES2 only right? so. I guess would have to copy from CPU to GPU. so. ideally. more churn, less texture transfer.
[0:21] <xiambax> Have a little server farm
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[0:21] <Aebleskiver> BillyBag2: http://mitchtech.net/realtek-wireless-dongle-rt3070-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[0:21] <xiambax> Anyone running a webserver on their rpi
[0:21] <xiambax> I think I may install slackware 14.00
[0:21] <nemo> Aebleskiver: I take it you've never played minecraft
[0:21] <xiambax> apparently it runs really fast.
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[0:21] <nemo> Aebleskiver: also. note how they connect
[0:21] <BillyBag2> HDR on the GPU. Should stonk along.
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[0:22] <Aebleskiver> nemo: Sorry, was just a joke :P
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[0:24] <pronto> http://raspberry.bagels.xxx/heh/del.jpeg OMG so much better
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[0:26] <af1> we are probably looking at least 10 years since i have used irc... and im only 25!
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[0:27] <af1> fiddling with the rpi, i have managed to ssh into it using the macbook, kind of cool that i can use use a standard ethernet cable and then power it off the macbook itself!
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[0:28] <nemo> BillyBag2: HDR as in High Dynamic Range?
[0:28] <nemo> BillyBag2: http://evanw.github.com/glfx.js/demo/ - shader image manipulation.
[0:28] <nemo> http://evanw.github.com/webgl-filter/ prettier interface
[0:28] <Aebleskiver> Cool stuff, af1 :)
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[0:28] <nemo> af1: I have mine plugged into my tv :)
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[0:28] <af1> its probably simple stuff to all of you!
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[0:28] <af1> i have had it on the tv the whole time but wanted to start experimenting
[0:29] <af1> just registering for irc was hard enough!
[0:29] <Hopsy> how do I create a bridge connection?
[0:29] <af1> on mac os?
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[0:30] <Hopsy> I am connected with wifi (raspberrypi) want to share the connection with my windows pc (through lan cable)
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[0:31] <KiltedPi^> Ah!
[0:31] <KiltedPi^> "Digital phot frame"
[0:31] <KiltedPi^> "Digital photo frame"
[0:31] <nemo> Hopsy: iptables.
[0:31] <KiltedPi^> Thats what I'm planning to use#
[0:31] <nemo> Hopsy: I can share a simple masquerading firewall if you like
[0:32] <Hopsy> sure
[0:32] <nemo> Hopsy: hm. can do it w/ the advanced routing API too. I suppose. I've never tried. always used iptables
[0:32] <nemo> might be faster w/ adv routing
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[0:32] <KiltedPi^> af1- I'm going to use a 'Digital Photo frame'
[0:32] <nemo> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/
[0:33] <KiltedPi^> those pointless things, the photo frames are cheap enough and good enough displays
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[0:38] <af1> i think i have a spare one hanging around
[0:38] <af1> easy to interface to?
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[0:42] <xiambax> What distros are people using? and why?
[0:43] <Armand> Raspbian, it worked. :P
[0:45] <linuxstb> Raspbian, because I use Debian everywhere else. Plus it's what most people are using.
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[0:55] <arigead> I'm having difficulty with my raspberry pi and rxtx library I'm using debian Wheezy. Basically I've written a small Java program but it's finding no serial ports at all?
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[0:57] <xiambax> how do you scroll up on irssi?
[0:57] <pksato> pg up?
[0:57] <af1> although i imagine this is asked a lot
[0:57] <xiambax> sweet jesus it works
[0:58] <af1> is there any good beginners guides to programming?
[0:58] <af1> i have been playing around with scratch with my 4 year old..
[0:58] <af1> ... if only he could read
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[1:01] <KiltedPi^> brilliant af1!
[1:01] <KiltedPi^> I'm a good guide
[1:01] <KiltedPi^> You going to experiment with Python?
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[1:02] <KiltedPi^> (After you're done with scratch)
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[1:06] <af1> id like to
[1:06] <af1> all this hardware lying round the house!
[1:07] <KiltedPi^> You going to be doing any interfacing?
[1:07] <KiltedPi^> :)
[1:07] <KiltedPi^> I'm new to interfacing with hardware
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[1:08] <af1> that does interest me
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[1:12] <xiambax> Any updates on the BSD ports?
[1:12] <xiambax> Are they stable?
[1:16] <pronto> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/content/productimages/s4/83-14421_3.gif ooo it spins
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[1:26] <ParkerR> Anybody have this https://github.com/rjw57/yt running on arch on the Pi?
[1:27] <ParkerR> It throws an error when i try to run the actual program. Says something about curses.wrapper. I can pull the error if need be
[1:28] <ParkerR> "ImportError: No module named 'curses.wrapper'"
[1:29] <Aebleskiver> ahh, python script?
[1:29] <ParkerR> Yeah
[1:29] <ParkerR> And I dont see any python-curses packages on arch
[1:29] <ParkerR> Closest thing is python-urwid
[1:30] <ParkerR> Still didnt work after installing that
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[1:30] <Aebleskiver> It's not a package I thought... thought it was just part of python now
[1:30] <Aebleskiver> like a function
[1:30] <ParkerR> Yeah I was reading that
[1:31] <Aebleskiver> http://docs.python.org/2/library/curses.html
[1:31] <Aebleskiver> so it shouldn't need to be installed as a module anymore, just function call in script...
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[1:34] <Aebleskiver> ParkerR: So yeah, try to modify the script so it calls curses.wrapper as a function instead of module
[1:34] <VetteWork> question. Getting "(warn) Root filesystem has insufficient free space; mounting tmpfs on /tmp ... (warning)" on bootup. have a 4gb card with wheezy installed. started getting the error and startx doesnt load now..
[1:34] <Aebleskiver> it sounds like an old script meant for older Python version
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[1:34] <enapupe> Anyone ran firefox os already?
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[1:37] <VetteWork> ok, chromium is breaking my pi
[1:37] <ParkerR> Aebleskiver, Worked(s) fine on Debian wheezy. Guess arch just completely deprecated it
[1:38] <Aebleskiver> ParkerR: Yeah, it's strange... I thought there would still be a symbolic link to keep backwards compatibility
[1:38] <VetteWork> installed chromium and it did above, uninstalled and it boots fine...
[1:38] <VetteWork> any alternatives for a good browser?
[1:40] <enapupe> chromium works fine here, slow but fine
[1:40] <Aebleskiver> Lynx? :P
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[1:40] <VetteWork> I had setup another card and had (assuming) the same thing happened... i installed a ton of things and then after reboot it wouldnt load
[1:40] <VetteWork> this time i installed and rebooted one by one.
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[1:44] <Aebleskiver> What size was other card, VetteWork?
[1:45] <VetteWork> enapupe chromium works fine on another machine, but its running july version of wheezy, this one is dec
[1:45] <VetteWork> Aebleskiver 4gb as well.
[1:45] <VetteWork> i am guessing if i put it in and uninstall chromium it will work..
[1:45] <VetteWork> (trying it now actually)
[1:46] <VetteWork> nm, already formated it
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[1:51] <VetteWork> hrmm, and i guess pi's dont like these dell keyboards, get super sticky keys with it..
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[1:54] <Aebleskiver> VetteWork: Yeah, ones that demand at least 5V...
[1:54] <Aebleskiver> i think the R-Pi was tested to output a bit less then 5V on USB ports..
[1:55] <VetteWork> this HP works fine, but have to run a USB hub for mouse (have wireless dongle installed)
[1:55] <VetteWork> dell has built in hub, so easier to use..
[1:55] <Aebleskiver> Ahh, well that's probably it
[1:55] <Aebleskiver> The built in hub is sucking too much extra power
[1:56] <VetteWork> surprised that the other hub (not externally powered) works fine
[1:56] <IT_Sean> ::sigh:: And thank you to &isp for hooking up THE WRONG APARTMENT'S PHONE LINE today. :/
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[1:56] <Aebleskiver> IT_Sean: How'd they do that? o.O
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[1:59] <VetteWork> that miught explain it.. chromium is chromium-browser
[1:59] <VetteWork> so WTF is chromium
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[2:06] <IT_Sean> I gave no idea.
[2:06] <IT_Sean> But they did
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[2:07] <IT_Sean> They hooked up unit 275. I'm in 328. How they managed that, i have no idea
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[2:07] <IT_Sean> So... Another day with no hardline innernet
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[2:08] <VetteWork> hopefully install is free
[2:08] <hybr1d8> That's okay - I've been going 4 years without hardline internet :(
[2:09] <xiambax> I cant wait to get home and install slackware on this thing
[2:09] <xiambax> Have to do a stupid inventory count tonight :|
[2:09] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[2:09] <IT_Sean> It is.
[2:10] <IT_Sean> Still... :|
[2:10] <VetteWork> get same warning on boot with chromium-browser, but startx actually loads!
[2:10] <VetteWork> hybr1d8 leeching wifi or using cell?
[2:10] <IT_Sean> 3G
[2:10] <hybr1d8> 3g
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[2:10] <IT_Sean> Oh... Sorry. :p
[2:10] <hybr1d8> (or 2.5g mostly ;) )
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[2:11] <VetteWork> crazy ppl
[2:11] <VetteWork> i couldnt live like that haha
[2:12] <hybr1d8> I wish I didn't have to - no wired internet available where I live :(
[2:14] <VetteWork> isnt 2gb required for wheezy?
[2:15] <enapupe> i'm almost running firefox os.. but the screen is not centered and i'm going to a 404 page (inside firefox)
[2:15] <xiambax> EDGE!
[2:15] <IT_Sean> Lol
[2:16] <xiambax> 14.44 Baud dialup!
[2:17] <xiambax> Oh i remember the day
[2:17] <xiambax> And im only 26
[2:17] * IT_Sean plays screechy modem noises
[2:17] <xiambax> Dubstep?
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[2:18] <IT_Sean> No. Dubstep is worse.
[2:18] <IT_Sean> :p
[2:18] <xiambax> LOL.
[2:18] <xiambax> I dont mind some dubstep.
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[2:18] <VetteWork> i remember how excited we were to get our 14.4k modem
[2:19] <IT_Sean> I do. It is an auditory plague, and should be eradicated without hesitation or question.
[2:19] <xiambax> I remember the day I got 56k
[2:19] <xiambax> I was stoked
[2:19] <axion> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4fphtrgrnksfuf6/dialup-final.png
[2:19] <IT_Sean> Lol
[2:20] <xiambax> I remember when I installed redhat 6 on my p120 with 12mb ram!
[2:20] <VetteWork> yeah 56k day was incredible. went to the LA computer show got a Zoom 56k internal modem
[2:20] <xiambax> I was ballin
[2:20] <xiambax> 120mhz!
[2:20] <xiambax> SICK!
[2:20] <VetteWork> so i forgot to expand boot partition.. so that explains som issues..
[2:20] <xiambax> Did you uninstall the install image from the boot partition
[2:20] <xiambax> some forget to do that
[2:21] <xiambax> depends on the distro you are installing
[2:21] <VetteWork> i imaged it from my dekstop
[2:21] <VetteWork> wheezy
[2:22] <xiambax> You got a puffer?
[2:22] <VetteWork> puffer?
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[2:26] <Aebleskiver> puffin
[2:26] <xiambax> a resperatory joke
[2:26] <xiambax> or rasparatory ;)
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[2:29] <VetteWork> oh yes, hah
[2:29] <VetteWork> inhaler :P
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[3:19] <Datalink> hm, I could use some help, I need to make an IR Blaster setup that can be used for a TV studio
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[3:20] <Datalink> anyone have any ideas?
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[3:27] <SpeedEvil> 'for a TV studio' ?
[3:29] <poli> Datalink: something like a universal remote?
[3:30] <Datalink> SpeedEvil, it's a city access cable studio, we're in a city of 200K people, so we don't have a professional budget, was considering adding a Pi for some stuff.
[3:30] <SpeedEvil> what do you want it to do?
[3:31] <Datalink> we have 2 televisions and a camera that I'd like to have more control possible in the director booth
[3:32] <Datalink> mainly, turning the TVs on remotely without having to find/dig out the remotes, turning on the camera remotely, etc
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[3:35] <poli> Datalink: Shouldn't be that hard. But I would go for a univesal remote with learning (because of the specific pro equipment) for prototyping, and only then work on some custom solution.
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[3:36] <Datalink> poli, I was thinking pi for front-end control, through IR or a remote sense (the audience monitor's a Sony TV, so would have a remote wire) we don't need lighting as we just got a pro solution for that
[3:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Anyone know what's up with overclocking and the warranty nowadays? Someone edited the rpiconfig elinux wiki page and removed the warranty void condition saying overclock no longer affects warranty. I am pretty sure that person is wrong.
[3:38] <ShiftPlusOne> not in saying that overclocking won't affect warranty, but in editing out the warranty void condition
[3:38] <ShiftPlusOne> (force_turbo || current_limit_override || temp_limit>85) && over_voltage>0
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[3:40] <Torikun> ou
[3:40] <Torikun> overclocking may lead to filesystem corruption
[3:40] <pronto> i cool my RPI with liquid nitrogen and overclock to 2.4 GHz
[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but that's not something you'd go putting in a warranty claim for O_o
[3:40] <pronto> (not really)
[3:41] <Torikun> lol dam I was gonna ask you for help pronto
[3:41] <ShiftPlusOne> So, is the guy just a jerk who edited the page without knowing what he's talking about or am I missing something?
[3:41] <poli> pronto: I once lit a LED in liquid nitrogen. Took me about 2A to do it.
[3:42] <poli> like a 20mA LED
[3:42] <hybr1d8> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008
[3:42] <hybr1d8> you can overclock without losing warranty
[3:42] <ShiftPlusOne> hybr1d8, not in saying that overclocking won't affect warranty, but in editing out the warranty void condition
[3:42] <ShiftPlusOne> the warranty void condition doesn't mention the clock rate
[3:43] <ShiftPlusOne> because I am pretty sure that if you force_turbo and overvolt, you'll still void the warranty
[3:43] <ShiftPlusOne> (for example)
[3:44] <Torikun> I heard you can overclock w/o warranty void
[3:44] <hybr1d8> not anymore - check that link
[3:44] <Torikun> how can they prove it was overclocked?
[3:44] <ShiftPlusOne> ..... I am not talking about overclocking >_<
[3:44] <ShiftPlusOne> I am talking about other ways to void the warranty
[3:44] <hybr1d8> what is the page?
[3:44] <ShiftPlusOne> http://elinux.org/index.php?title=RPiconfig&diff=213944&oldid=213158
[3:45] <Datalink> Torikun, there's a flag when you OC
[3:45] <Torikun> where?
[3:45] <ShiftPlusOne> The part that he edited out that I am concerned about is this: (force_turbo || current_limit_override || temp_limit>85) && over_voltage>0
[3:45] <Torikun> its all on SD card right?
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[3:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Torikun, cpuinfo will tell you.
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[3:45] <Torikun> when the test it in house, they will see whatever their SD card says
[3:45] <Torikun> overclocking is done by config.txt
[3:45] <Torikun> right?
[3:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Torikun, yes, but it sets a bit inside the cpu
[3:46] <ShiftPlusOne> which you can read back
[3:46] <Torikun> ah
[3:46] <ShiftPlusOne> so if you change config.txt, they will still know
[3:46] <Torikun> godo to know ty
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[3:47] <xiambax> hey
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[3:48] <malcom2073> Can someone verify, that with "hdmi_force_hotplug=1" in the config file, I should get no video on RCA?
[3:49] <malcom2073> Sorry, with raspbmc and the offocial raspbian both
[3:49] <malcom2073> official*
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[4:05] <malcom2073> Hmm, it seems that every single HDMI mode I try is "Not Supported" by my tv :/
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[4:13] <Caleb> crappy tv?
[4:13] <Aebleskiver> hehe
[4:14] <Aebleskiver> ShiftPlusOne: Yeah, I think you're right
[4:14] <Aebleskiver> those conditions you mention would trigger the void bit
[4:14] <xiambax> Im at home slowly waiting for slackware to download
[4:15] <malcom2073> Caleb: Could be, only cost $300
[4:15] <Aebleskiver> (1GHz clock force plus overvolt)
[4:15] <malcom2073> Caleb: Everything else works though, xbox, wii, dvr, other htpc
[4:15] <Caleb> malcom2073: what name brand?
[4:15] <malcom2073> Caleb: Visio
[4:15] <Caleb> those are usually good tv's
[4:15] <Caleb> i have a 46" sony
[4:15] <Aebleskiver> Sounds like you might have a faulty board, malcom2073
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[4:16] <malcom2073> Setting hdmi drive and mode to 1, I get very fuzzy flickering green output from HDMI....
[4:16] <Caleb> malcom2073: just from the pi?
[4:16] <Caleb> malcom2073: maybe a bad cable?
[4:16] <Aebleskiver> <malcom2073> Caleb: Everything else works though, xbox, wii, dvr, other htpc
[4:16] <malcom2073> Caleb: Tried two difference cables, both of which work on other devices
[4:17] <malcom2073> Also tried both HDMI inputs to my TV
[4:17] <Caleb> oh sounds like it could be the pi then
[4:17] <malcom2073> Crpa.
[4:17] <malcom2073> Crap*
[4:17] <Aebleskiver> RMA time, malcom2073 :/
[4:17] <Caleb> pi works on my tv
[4:17] <Caleb> great actually
[4:17] <Caleb> unless some setting in the pi is set and isnt compatable with the tv
[4:17] <malcom2073> Wanted to attempt to replace my HTPC with this guy, since he's about 1/50th the size heh
[4:18] <Caleb> yeah
[4:18] <Aebleskiver> A lot of people are doing that though and then getting disappointed when they find out the Pi won't decode AC3, that kind of thing :P
[4:19] <Caleb> ac3 is audio right
[4:19] <malcom2073> I fully expect it not to be up to snuff, but it was worth a shot :)
[4:19] <Aebleskiver> Yep
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[4:19] <Aebleskiver> Well it'll play H.264/AAC just fine, malcom2073
[4:19] <Caleb> ok because i have movies on my external that says ac3 and they play
[4:19] <Caleb> unless its just a name and its a lie
[4:20] <Aebleskiver> Bur it's not very flexible for other codecs..
[4:20] <Aebleskiver> Caleb: Ahh, might be passthrough to your TV which is decoding the stream :)
[4:20] <Aebleskiver> That's a way to get around it..
[4:20] <malcom2073> Well I guess I'll stick mine on the shelf and RMA it sometime, thanks for the help
[4:20] <Caleb> well it works
[4:20] <Aebleskiver> Sorry you got a dud one, malcom2073...
[4:21] <malcom2073> It happens :) I'll just switch back to my giant htpc in the meantime lol
[4:21] <Aebleskiver> :D
[4:22] * axion is happy with the latest progress of retroarch psx core. i'm getting full speed psx emulation with perfect sound finally (on an overclocked pi)
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[4:25] <xiambax> Does RPI want someone to design them new packaging?
[4:25] <ShiftPlusOne> axion, nice
[4:25] <xiambax> I think it would be cool if they shipped it with packaging that could be folded into a case for it.
[4:25] <axion> it would actually be warmer
[4:25] <axion> hehe
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[4:28] <ShiftPlusOne> xiambax, I don't think the foundation has anything to do with the packaging, they just license the board design out to farnell and rs, then they distribute it in whatever packacing they want.
[4:28] <ShiftPlusOne> *packaging
[4:28] <axion> right
[4:28] <xiambax> Ah.
[4:28] <axion> each distributor packages differently.
[4:28] <axion> google punnet case, if you want a foldable case though
[4:28] <xiambax> Huh. Someone should speak to all the distributors and setup packing guidelines.
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[4:31] * ShiftPlusOne doesn't particularly care about packaging... as long as it gets here and it works, I am happy
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[4:31] <xiambax> Ship it inside of a static proof case with the box with punch outs
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[4:33] * SpeedEvil got a microwave in the post today from eBay.
[4:34] <xiambax> How many cats can you fit in it?
[4:34] <SpeedEvil> amazing packing.
[4:34] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd much rather they spent more effort on quality control.
[4:34] * ShiftPlusOne looks at RS
[4:34] <SpeedEvil> depends. probably a dozen kittens.
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[4:34] <SpeedEvil> maybe just a tiger leg
[4:35] <xiambax> http://www.amazon.ca/eForCity-Folding-Notebook-Cooling-Black/dp/B009S3KPZK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1359689686&sr=1-1 should i buy one of these for rpi cooling?
[4:35] <xiambax> amazon has free two day shipping right now
[4:35] <ShiftPlusOne> no
[4:35] <ShiftPlusOne> 1) it doesn't need cooling 2) that won't cool it
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[4:36] <SpeedEvil> sure it will
[4:36] <axion> not really, no
[4:36] <SpeedEvil> cooling isn't really needed
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[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> it won't cool it in any way that matters. I am pretty sure the temperature sensor won't see the difference, for example.
[4:38] <SpeedEvil> it most certainly will
[4:38] <SpeedEvil> the cooling happens by cooling the board
[4:38] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, how many degrees would you estimate?
[4:38] <SpeedEvil> more than cooling the pi itself
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[4:38] <SpeedEvil> it depends on how hot the environment is
[4:39] <SpeedEvil> I would expect under 15c
[4:39] <SpeedEvil> I should get out my IR thermometer and try.
[4:39] <SpeedEvil> but I can't be added.
[4:39] <ShiftPlusOne> wow, you're the people who have actually tried using fans haven't seen more than 2 degrees difference
[4:39] <SpeedEvil> arsed
[4:39] <ShiftPlusOne> -you're
[4:39] <axion> looks like quite a few unit loads
[4:39] <SpeedEvil> 2c is under 15
[4:39] <axion> for negligible effect
[4:40] <ShiftPlusOne> ir might tell you the surface temperature of the ram chip, but not the actual cpu/gpu temperature.
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[4:40] <SpeedEvil> I was meaning measure the underside of the board
[4:40] <SpeedEvil> that's the far more accurate measure
[4:40] <axion> one of those fans is bigger than the board
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[4:41] <ShiftPlusOne> and you know that the thermal conduction directly from the board to the chip is actually significant?
[4:41] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: very much
[4:41] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: it 's basically inherent in the construction
[4:41] <ShiftPlusOne> hm, would be interesting to see what difference a fan on the underside of a pi makes then. Not that it would be practical, but I would have to stop saying that it won't work.
[4:42] <SpeedEvil> the top of the SoC is a terrible place to heatsink
[4:42] <SpeedEvil> the ram attachment is not physically strong, and is poorly thermally coupled
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[4:53] <ReggieUK> indeed, it's pretty counter-intuitive :D
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[5:09] <mikey_w> good
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[5:11] <jcath> hi,friends. I get a raspberry pi board and install the openelec 3.0rc2 on sd. when I play the h264 1080p video over smb connection, the video is not so smooth, it keep halt every few minutes.the network is by wifi, with a usb wifi dongle, the openelect auto detect the rtl chip and the module load correctly. is it ok? or anything I may try to optimize the performance? everytime I switch back...
[5:11] <jcath> ...to the home (main) menu, or try to get into a menu (video, music), the screen halt for one second. is the default skin too much load for the hardware?
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[5:12] <hybr1d8> The video playing is probably just hitting the limits of bandwidth available over wifi
[5:12] <ShiftPlusOne> you could try #openelec as well
[5:12] <axion> use NFS. overhead too much for SMB for some peak points of high VBR h264
[5:12] <hybr1d8> every few minutes it needs to refill its buffer
[5:12] <axion> SMB is not very efficient
[5:16] <jcath> the video file is about 7GB for 90minutes,so I think the 54Mbps wifi is enough for the 13Mbps video
[5:16] <xiambax> where is the dock to enable turbo on the rpi
[5:16] <axion> you want to pay attention to the peak bitrate, not the overall size
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[5:17] <axion> nor the avg bitrate
[5:17] <jcath> ah, you are right, axion. thanks:)
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[5:19] <axion> NFS has much lower overhead
[5:19] <jcath> about the skin, with the default skin, everytime I switching the menu, it frozen for a moment. what's the main problem of this? Should I change to a 'light' skin? Some article suggest quartz or some name similar, but I cant find it in skin add-ons
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[5:19] <axion> well, you should watch the xbmc log. the first run, it may be DDS decoding the skin and every other image for faster decoding by the gpu later on
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[5:20] <axion> this takes a long time, and will hurt performance until it is done
[5:20] <jcath> axion, the videos is in a windows pc, so I just enable the share to try it.
[5:20] <axion> you can only verify by reading the log
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[5:21] <jcath> DDS stand for? thanks, axion
[5:21] <axion> http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Thumbnails/Cache#DDS_artwork
[5:22] <jcath> :) thanks!
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[5:30] <jcath> a question about the chip, the specification says it is broadcom's soc with 512MB memory. but I cant see the memory chip on board. so the broadcom's chip die and the momory's die is integrated into one package , right?
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[5:37] <Viper-7> the core is soldered to the top of the memory chip
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[5:37] <Viper-7> and the memory chip is soldered to the board
[5:37] <axion> he left
[5:38] <Viper-7> joy
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[5:47] <jcath> lost the connection just now :(
[5:49] <axion> jcath: the ram is stacked on top of the SoC
[5:54] <SpeedEvil> soldered to it
[5:54] <SpeedEvil> there are pads on top of the CPU
[5:54] <SpeedEvil> onto which the ram is soldered
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[6:07] <jcath> cool, thanks
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[6:08] <jcath> so, broadcom sell the combination? or as required by user?
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[6:17] <Xark> jcath: Well, the memory doesn't appear to be from broadcom.
[6:19] <jcath> yeah, i see. it should be samsung's or micron's
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[6:28] <jcath> anyone know how linux access the sd card on pi? with SPI protocol, or sd native protocol? some article say boot from usb disk will faster than sd card on pi.
[6:29] <xiambax> Sweet jesus it boots!
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[6:40] <jcath> so, how I install the boot loader to the usb disk? the bootloader should be different right?
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[6:42] <krosis> I was under the impression that you had to boot from the SD card, and then mount the USB storage
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[7:05] <lkthomas> hey guys
[7:05] <lkthomas> does linux have any tools which could help me to build an easy menu interface when people ssh into the box ?
[7:06] <krosis> you could write that in a short bash script
[7:06] <lkthomas> and replace bash into that script ?!
[7:07] <krosis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/1705/how-can-i-create-a-select-menu-in-a-shell-script
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[7:07] <krosis> bash is your shell, and you can write scripts in it
[7:07] <lkthomas> krosis: by the way, does raspberry GPIO could become a serial interface ?
[7:07] <krosis> that's an example of a simple script that prompts the user with a few options, and does something based on which they choose
[7:08] <krosis> I'm not sure about that, I haven't messed with it.
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[7:17] <ParkerR> So, having a staring contest with my Raspberry Pi compiling something. I'm gonna lose this
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[7:23] <jcath> so, still have to boot from sd? than after kernel up, mount the sd partition, do the rest things?
[7:24] <ParkerR> jcath, Still have to boot from SD. After that you can load a rootfs from elsewhere
[7:25] <jcath> ok, i c. thanks , parkerr
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[7:51] <jcath> so the board does not have any nand/nor flash chip onboard to embedded a tiny boot loader ...
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[7:56] <ParkerR> jcath, No
[7:56] <ParkerR> It doesnt
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[7:57] <ParkerR> Also I am sad now. Spent three hours compiling darkplaces from source (quake 1). The glx executable errors due to something with glx and the sdkl executable seg faults
[7:57] <ParkerR> *sdl
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[8:08] <ParkerR> :|
[8:08] <ParkerR> http://withg.org/parkerlreed/glx.txt
[8:08] <ParkerR> http://withg.org/parkerlreed/sdl.txt
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[8:31] <Joeboy> lkthomas: the pi has a uart enabled on pins 8/10, to which you can connect a (3.5v) serial cable
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[8:33] <lkthomas> Joeboy: I see, thanks
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[8:39] <xiambax> so many #raspberrypi hash tags on instagram
[8:41] <dape8708> hmm, weird, arch linux just updated mysqk to 5.5.30 and mysql site states 5.5.29 :)
[8:42] <ParkerR> dape8708, Arch: so upstream it swims past the others
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[8:50] <xiambax> Anyone want a free WRTG4GL?
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[8:52] <ParkerR> xiambax, Ooh I might just
[8:52] <krosis> 5.5.30 was supposedly released today, maybe they're slow at updating their site
[8:53] <xiambax> I have it hacked to run ddwrt
[8:53] <xiambax> and at one point i had to jumper it because it had the reset button disabled but you can have it
[8:53] <xiambax> pay shipping of course
[8:53] <ParkerR> Ahh
[8:54] <xiambax> Works fine.
[8:54] <xiambax> I got a rt-N56U this week
[8:54] <xiambax> best investment ever
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[8:55] <krosis> hmm.. I've been meaning to get a new wireless router for 5ghz support..
[8:56] <krosis> I wouldn't have normally considered asus for a wireless router, but I've had good luck with them and video cards / motherboards for almost 2 decades
[8:56] <xiambax> krosis, amazon has free two day shipping right now
[8:57] <ParkerR> <3 Prime
[8:57] <xiambax> This asus router can run custom firmware and its amazing
[8:57] <xiambax> http://code.google.com/p/rt-n56u/ < --- this firmware is nuts
[8:57] <xiambax> ssh and hfs included
[8:57] <xiambax> full ipv6 tunnel
[8:57] <xiambax> really nice
[8:58] <krosis> Nice
[8:58] <krosis> The few other routers I was looking at were nice on the spec sheet, but all had an abnormally high number of 1 star "crapped out after a month" reviews
[8:59] <xiambax> http://www.amazon.com/Diamond-Dual-Band-Wireless-N-Router-RT-N56U/product-reviews/B0049YQVHE/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_summary?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
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[9:00] <ParkerR> My current router is a E1200. Shit router but it was $5
[9:00] <xiambax> My old roommate ordered two
[9:00] <xiambax> it failed horribly when using to tunnel
[9:00] <xiambax> over vpn
[9:00] <xiambax> This thing was super easy to both connect to and serve vpn
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[9:00] <xiambax> Its rad. I connect to it over vpn on my s3
[9:01] <dape8708> you guys don't have the wonderfull tp-link wr1043nd ?
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[9:02] <ParkerR> Should we?
[9:03] <xiambax> It seems nice enough
[9:03] <xiambax> I think i need to order a switch soon
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[9:11] <dape8708> if anyone has apache tools installed with ab (apache benchmark) can you please link to a pastebin of your results with ab -n 100 ? thanks
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[9:14] <dape8708> this is mine with ab -n 100 and nginx, testing the linfo index.php - http://pastebin.com/k38AzP91
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[9:22] <nid0> pastebinning now
[9:25] <nid0> hold on, you wanted it benchmarking a locally hosted page, or linfo?
[9:27] <dape8708> not mine, a small page of yours
[9:28] <nid0> http://pastebin.com/VhraDMcD
[9:28] <nid0> thats against a wordpress index page
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[9:29] <dape8708> nice apache, well i tested from a core2duo on the same lan with pi
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[9:32] <nid0> I get a slightly better result testing from one pi to the other on the same lan
[9:32] <nid0> 9.3 secs to complete instead of 11.9
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[9:33] <]DMackey[> http://www.jeremymorgan.com/tutorials/raspberry-pi/how-to-raspberry-pi-file-server/
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[9:55] <gordonDrogon> morning ....
[9:56] <ParkerR> Morning
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[9:57] <Hoerie> morning
[9:59] <markedathome> gordonDrogon: morgon
[9:59] <markedathome> morgen
[9:59] <Davespice> Oh my god, hung over. I am officially channelling Tard the Grumpy Cat this morning.
[9:59] <Davespice> Meh.
[10:00] <DrPiD> Consume bacon, always makes me feel less arse.
[10:00] <skope> yes, bacon. a lot of it. and few beers
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[10:01] <xiambax-laptop> Anyone have any experience with slackware for arm and the rpi?
[10:01] <markedathome> full breakfast of bacon rashers, beans, sausages, fried mushrooms, toast+butter, fried bread, and a mug of steaming slurry calling itself coffee from your nearest mobile cafe.
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[10:02] <DrPiD> Is there any difference between the UK suppliers? Need to get myself a pi for personal use..
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[10:03] <Davespice> DrPiD: not really, I have used both farnell and RS
[10:03] <nid0> theyll be made in different places
[10:03] <dape8708> if anyone has IPv6 enabled on his or her MX server can send me a test message at dani@pi6.ro , i'm testing exim ipv6 only :P
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[10:03] <Davespice> you sometimes get slightly different components used in the build though
[10:03] <DrPiD> Hmm.. Well looks like Farnell can ship immediately where RS have a 2 week backlog
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[10:05] <gordonDrogon> dape8708, I've sent you an email.
[10:06] <dape8708> thanks gordonDrogon, not in the logs yet (i'm IPv6 only)
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> dape8708, yea, it's just been returned as host unknown. let me check more.
[10:07] <markedathome> dape8708: doesn't appear to be set up correctly.
[10:07] <Draylor> interesting
[10:08] <markedathome> no, it is; sorry
[10:08] <Draylor> on the positive side you wont get much spam
[10:08] <Draylor> very little mail either, but the lack of spam would be nice :p
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> ah. Hm. well, it appears what sendmail needs to be re-configured to support IPv6 - I didn't realise that. let me make some adjustments... brb.
[10:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Davespice, hey, with the lapdock... is there something you need to do to get it to 'power up' I have my pi all hooked up but nothing happens. =/ No power from the microusb port, no power from the hub... just nothing =/
[10:09] <dape8708> np, no rush, thanks for the effort gordonDrogon
[10:09] <dape8708> Draylor, i'm just too lazy to set up a port forward on ipv4
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[10:11] <gordonDrogon> Hm. still happening. let me dig deeper.
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[10:20] <gordonDrogon> ok, different error now: Feb 1 09:20:02 unicorn sendmail[12377]: r119K0Ah012375: to=<dani@pi6.ro>, ctladdr=<gordon@drogon.net> (1000/1000), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=120520, relay=pi6.ro. [IPv6:2a02:2f0d:b110:1fd:ba27:ebff:fe20:3dce], dsn=5.1.1, stat=User unknown
[10:21] <dape8708> i see it, thanks !
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> So it's getting there, but....
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[10:21] <dape8708> it's okay, thanks. so far i got exim up, thinking if spamassassin would kill my ram, maybe i should just relay on a strong acl with timeouts on lack of dns and rfc problems
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> don't rely on lack of DNS for anti-spam. it's not a good one.
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> and yes, you can reject of non rfc compliant mailers too - but you'll lose valid email.
[10:23] <dape8708> if they don't have a reverse record delay them 30 sec until they drop it, if they're spammers they would tend to go on, if not - it will wait
[10:23] <dape8708> this would eat cpu and ram due to exim spawning instances
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> use greylisting - so if it fails your geeky tests, throw it at greylisting and if it gets through that, then it's probably OK.
[10:23] <dape8708> that's a valid idea
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> it's what I do.
[10:24] <dape8708> sqlite based?
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> I've had the same email address since 1995... I get 1000's of spams a day.
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> yes, sqlite.
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> I use sendmail + mimedefang + spamasassin + some custom rules + greylisting on RBL failures.
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[10:26] <gordonDrogon> I get about 3 or 4 a day that make it pass that into my inbox. I can cope with that OK.
[10:26] <dape8708> not bad
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[10:31] <gordonDrogon> Hm. well. now to rebuild sendmail on all my other servers - didn't realise that's what was stopping me getting IPv6 email. Hm.
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[10:38] <mvaneijgen> Does someone have a 300mbits wifi usb adapter that works on the Rasp without a aditional usb powerd hub
[10:39] <mvaneijgen> I have got a 150mbits but for using airplay thats a bit to weak
[10:39] <nid0> srsly?
[10:40] <mvaneijgen> nid0: whats the question
[10:40] <nid0> what can you possibly not manage to stream over a 150mbit n adaptor?
[10:41] <linuxstb> mvaneijgen: What actual transfer speeds can you manage with your current adapter?
[10:42] <mvaneijgen> if i try to stream a youtube clip thats about a 1 hour it works fine if i pluged in the UTP cable but if i try this over wifi ill get a error and the raspberry pi shuts down
[10:43] <mvaneijgen> linuxstb: i dont know
[10:43] <nid0> well thats a power issue, nothing to do with needing a faster adaptor
[10:44] <mvaneijgen> so get a less demanding usb adapter
[10:44] <mvaneijgen> ?
[10:44] <nid0> well pretty much any nano dongle will work with the pi fine assuming you're using a decent power supply
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[10:46] <mvaneijgen> nid0: thats fine mine works but not as i want it to be.
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[10:52] <Davespice> ShiftPlusOne: sorry for late response
[10:52] <Davespice> it only provides power once the HDMI is hooked up
[10:52] <ShiftPlusOne> I have hdmi hooked up =(
[10:53] <Davespice> ah right, have you made the Y cable like I did?
[10:53] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[10:53] <Davespice> diagram here; http://blogs.arcsoftwareconsultancy.com/pi/2012/06/15/a-raspberry-pi-laptop/
[10:53] <ShiftPlusOne> though I haven't 'tested' it. For all I know I've shorted everything inside.
[10:54] <Davespice> ah right
[10:54] <Davespice> I split the data and power lines out, but there is a hack way to do it which means you don't have to do any soldering
[10:54] <Davespice> but that way you lose a usb port on the lap dock itself
[10:55] <Davespice> anyway, I suppose the best thing to do is ensure the wiring is right
[10:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Right now, to rule any errors out, I have the hdmi plugged to the pi and the microsd thing connected straight to pi's power input.
[10:55] <Davespice> okay, that ought to power it up
[10:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Davespice, but also, if you just have the hdmi cable connected and power the pi from another source, it should also power up, yes?
[10:56] <Davespice> I actually use the HDMI connection as an on/off switch
[10:56] <Davespice> yes correct, I have done that also
[10:56] <Davespice> so if you use a phone charger
[10:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Ok, well I get nothing =(
[10:57] <Davespice> its at home right now, so I could try a few different things
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[10:57] <Davespice> are you running the lapdock from mains? or battery?
[10:57] <ShiftPlusOne> the battey is full and connecting the charger to the lapdock doesn't do anything other than light up the light
[10:58] <ShiftPlusOne> (the battey full/charging light), but nothing else)
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[10:58] <Davespice> okay right, well I am sure that I have used the lapdock as a display only before - having the Pi with a normal keyboard and mouse on it
[10:59] <Davespice> which means you only need the hdmi connection plugged in, the Pi should boot anyway when this happens
[10:59] <ShiftPlusOne> the pi boots (from another source), but the lapdock does nothing.
[11:00] <Davespice> right, okay - how are you adapting the male hdmi on the lapdock to the full size hdmi on the pi?
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[11:01] <Davespice> this is how I did it, I had a female to female adapter and then used a micro hdmi to full hdmi cable; http://blogs.arcsoftwareconsultancy.com/pi/files/2012/06/atrix-lapdock-dock.jpg.jpg
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> an adapter (micro female to micro female) and a cable (male to micro male)
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> that's exactly what I have
[11:01] <Davespice> right, sounds the same as me
[11:02] <Davespice> it sounds like the problem is with the hdmi connection getting through
[11:02] <Davespice> I think it might be worth it to try a different cable if you can get one
[11:03] <ShiftPlusOne> just the one cable unfortunately
[11:03] <Davespice> you could also try connecting a different display output to the lapdock, like a console or dvd player
[11:03] <Davespice> have you tried inverting the female to female?
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[11:03] <Davespice> just thinking of things to try :/
[11:04] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I have. I had a few of them so I tried all of them both ways, heh. I hope it's not the lapdock D=
[11:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Tried a different pi as well. So it's either the cable or the lapdock
[11:05] <Davespice> hmm
[11:05] <Davespice> have you got another micro hdmi device, like a camera, you could test it with?
[11:06] <Davespice> and is the lapdock new, or second hand?
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[11:06] <ShiftPlusOne> my phone, but I don't have the adaptor for it.
[11:06] <ShiftPlusOne> the lapdock is new but it has been laying around for about half a year
[11:07] <Davespice> hmm right, okay so... your phone has a micro hdmi output or mini?
[11:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Neither it has a microusb port which can connect to an adaptor with a microhdmi port, but I don't have one of those.
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[11:08] <Davespice> I'm just thinking it would be good to try the cable from some other device to say a TV, just to isolate the testing of the cable
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[11:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't have anything to make that happen. Ah well =/
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[11:09] <Davespice> I would offer to help if you lived in West London lol...
[11:09] <ShiftPlusOne> It would be a bit of a swim from where I am.
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[11:10] <Davespice> I think that is where you need to work towards though, test each part in isolation
[11:11] <Davespice> is it like 5 am for you then?
[11:11] <ShiftPlusOne> close
[11:11] <ShiftPlusOne> 9pm
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[11:12] <ShiftPlusOne> (I lied, you weren't close at all =p)
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[11:13] <Davespice> oh so you must be west coast ish then?
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[11:13] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll narrow it down a bit.
[11:13] <ShiftPlusOne> I am in Melbourne, Australia.
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[11:13] <Davespice> oh right, I had no idea
[11:14] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
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[11:14] <Davespice> I've got quite a few friends in nsw
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[11:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Me too =D
[11:15] <Davespice> they're Pilipino ozzies, used to share a house with them and they moved home late last year
[11:15] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
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[11:21] <Davespice> I watched an indie movie made in sydney the other day, the Tunnel?
[11:21] <Davespice> freaked me RIGHT OUT
[11:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Would you recommend it?
[11:21] <Davespice> its not a bad horror actually, but not one to watch at home alone when its dark outside
[11:21] <Davespice> anyway, if you get to the bottom of your lapdock issues, would you let me know what it was? I often get these kinds of questions and it'll do me good to know what the cause was
[11:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Will do, thanks.
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[11:24] <Nik05> the tunnel has a 5.9 on imdb...
[11:24] <Nik05> is it good? :P
[11:24] <Joeboy> Average ratings can be quite misleading. Lots of films that some people love and some people hate.
[11:25] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't mind a 'bad' horror movie once in a while. At the very least they can be amusing if they're bad enough.
[11:25] <Nik05> ah and its a free movie
[11:26] <Davespice> oh you mean like Brain Dead?
[11:26] <Nik05> well gratis film
[11:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Oh, it is free?
[11:26] <Joeboy> I like a bit of "classic" horror, but still have yet to see any of the newer "torture porn" variety. Should probably check out what I'm missing.
[11:26] <Davespice> one of Peter Jacksons earlier jobbies
[11:26] * ShiftPlusOne closes the tracker's page.
[11:26] <Joeboy> Can't be much worse than Cannibal Holocaust
[11:26] <Nik05> not free as in debian way i think :P
[11:26] <Nik05> but free as in gratis
[11:27] <Joeboy> Peter Jackson should make more films like BrainDead. He is a great disappointment ;-)
[11:27] <ShiftPlusOne> "The Website Ahead Contains Malware! Google Chrome has blocked access to www.thetunnelmovie.net for now" =/
[11:27] <Nik05> lol
[11:27] <Davespice> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1735485/
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[11:28] <Joeboy> Kill List was the last horror I really liked. Very odd.
[11:29] <Nik05> but about which 'The Tunnel' are we talking about?
[11:29] <Nik05> The Tunnel (2011)?
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[11:29] <ShiftPlusOne> The one with the sydney and the underground
[11:30] <Nik05> ok
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[11:33] <Hoerie> I saw [Rec] recently; was pretty good
[11:34] <Joeboy> Yeah, heard good things about it. I watched the first couple of mins but was dragged away.
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[11:37] <xzr> rec was alright
[11:37] <xzr> one of the few movies I actually shouted out a bit while watching :|
[11:37] <xzr> fkn shockers
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[11:47] <CruX|> hello can I use ext4 partition as a boot instead of vfat ?
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[11:47] <ShiftPlusOne> CruX|, no, the bootcode that lives on the gpu chip looks for a fat partition on the sdcard and loads the firmware from there.
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[11:49] <brady2600> .,,,
[11:49] <brady2600> woops
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[11:55] <Davespice> really can't shake this hang over, gah
[11:55] <Davespice> this is a sign of the onset of age
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[11:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Or that you should've drank more water.
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[11:56] <neilr> Davespice: Tea. More tea. Lots more tea.
[11:56] <Joeboy> Custard donuts
[11:56] <Davespice> I've just had a cup actually and a bit of orange cake... hasn't touched it :)
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> The way I understand it is a hangover is mostly dehydration. The body needs a lot of water to work through the alcohol, so once there is a shortage it tends to source it from the brain... which the brain doesn't like too much.
[11:57] <Nik05> yeah so drink water
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> Water, and a bit of sugar, but not much. Caffeine helps to, but just as a stimulant.
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> Irn-Bru to the rescue...
[11:58] <Megaf> good morning
[11:58] <Nik05> ethanal isnt good for you...
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> of-course the best hangover cure is to not drink to excess in the first place.
[11:58] <xzr> best hangover cure is more booze
[11:58] <xzr> \o/
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[11:59] <Nik05> well that helps to :P
[11:59] <neilr> Caffiene loaded glucose sports drinks are also good
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> just don't drink as much. I haven't had a hangover for over 20 years now.
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[11:59] <Nik05> never had a hangover :)
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> I enjoy a drink, but I don't drink to get drunk.
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[12:00] <FR^2> I haven't hat a hangover for over 35 years now. I simply don't get a hangover ;)
[12:00] <Nik05> i simply dont drink alcohol...
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> just watch those police programs of the various city-centres on a friday/saturday night - all those (literally) legless people. you really don't want to be one of them.
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[12:00] <Hoerie> <gordonDrogon> Irn-Bru to the rescue... <-- amen to that
[12:01] <Nik05> i dont do no drugs... lol
[12:01] <neilr> oooh, changing the subject... Pulse Width Modulation on GPIO pin 18...
[12:01] <Nik05> nice
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[12:01] <neilr> Trying to do this in BASIC on RISC OS - which has a centisecond timer - do I *need* more precise timing than this?
[12:02] <FR^2> neilr: Oh, come on! Again such a on-topic information exchange? You have to be joking!
[12:02] <neilr> I'm trying to avoid having to do it in assembler
[12:02] <neilr> Sorry!
[12:02] <neilr> Could talk about the weather if it helps :)
[12:02] <brady2600> i perfer pot to alcohol.
[12:03] <nid0> <3 my alcohol collection
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[12:06] <brady2600> i'll drink a beer or two, but I don't like to get drunk. The research these days shows well enough that alcohol actually inhibits development whereas marijuana only affects memory in the short-term. Long term alcohol drinkers show clearly reduced brain function that doesn't return after abstaining.
[12:07] <Davespice> just went to make a cup of tea
[12:07] <Davespice> no bl**dy milk
[12:07] <Davespice> *grumpy face*
[12:07] <brady2600> your censoring bloody>
[12:08] <Megaf> That's really cool http://wayland.freedesktop.org/raspberrypi.html
[12:08] <Davespice> no I typed it that way
[12:08] <Megaf> gonna try it here
[12:08] <brady2600> yes thats what i ment , self censoring
[12:08] <Redex> make a weak tea and add a bit of whisky
[12:09] <Redex> no milk needed ! silver lining etc
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[12:09] <Davespice> Megaf: is it gpu accelrated?
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[12:11] <Megaf> Davespice, No idea,
[12:11] <ShiftPlusOne> The demos I've seen looked like it
[12:11] <brady2600> http://www.political-humor.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/im-rather-offended-by-that.jpg
[12:11] <Davespice> cool, might be worth replacing LXDE with that in future then
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[12:12] <SpeedEvil> brady2600: research shows that pot can have very serious effects on the young
[12:12] <Davespice> brady2600: just remember kids are about and us mods have to police bad language
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[12:13] <brady2600> bad language is a myth
[12:13] <ShiftPlusOne> brady2600, myth or not, you've been warned.
[12:14] <brady2600> and such studies are typically conducted by government , or by government liscense, or by institutions that have bias before they do a thing.
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[12:15] <ShiftPlusOne> A study is a study. Dispute the data and methodology.
[12:15] * neilr goes to get his tin-foil hat
[12:15] <brady2600> Marijuana is the most studied substance on the face of the planet, and there are plenty of credible studies that demonstrate exactly what its efffects are on memory.
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[12:16] <Aciid> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/34174885.jpg
[12:16] <malcom2073> lol
[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[12:17] <malcom2073> Weird, most potheads I know aren't smart enough to use irc
[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Ey, keep it civil
[12:17] <Aciid> out of the scope of the channel, will ya guys keep it clean
[12:17] <brady2600> Once, in order to prove that marijuana permanently kills brain cells, scientists strapped face masks to monkey's , and fed in marijuana smoke
[12:17] <brady2600> only marijuana smoke
[12:17] <brady2600> for many hours
[12:17] <brady2600> every day
[12:17] <Davespice> crikey folks, stop posting memes
[12:18] <brady2600> so the monkeys literally went braindead from lack of oxygen.
[12:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> +m brady2600 30min
[12:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Aciid, do you think the discussion in general shouldn't be had here or that the way in which it is happening isn't approporiate?
[12:19] <brady2600> This is the kind of manipulation they go about to sell such nonsense.
[12:19] <Aciid> I think it doesn't belong in here, rapsb is an widely used tool for edu for example. why would you flood the chnanel with irrilevant discussion if there are people who follow this channel for specific studies and such
[12:19] <ShiftPlusOne> brady2600, ^
[12:20] <ShiftPlusOne> If you want to argue about it, take it to PM.
[12:20] <brady2600> im just responding to people who spout nonsense.
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> neilr yes, you'll need more than 100th time resolution.
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> neilr my softPWM in C has 100uS resolution for a range of 100.
[12:20] <neilr> Cool - thanks for confirming that
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[12:21] <brady2600> you know. The biggest thing that keeps people who should be free , slaves, is their fellow slaves shouting down such percieved liberty.
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> neilr, if you had a range of 10, then at half brightness, you'll have 5 x 1/100th seconds on and the same off. - that's a 20Hz flicker.
[12:21] <ShiftPlusOne> brady2600, who are you talking to?
[12:22] <brady2600> a room.
[12:22] <brady2600> who are you talking to?
[12:22] <ShiftPlusOne> From what I gather, the room isn't interested.
[12:22] <neilr> Yup, ta. I'm planning on using it to control a motor
[12:22] <brady2600> im sorry, i don't believe you speak for the entire room.
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[12:22] <gordonDrogon> neilr, why not use the hardware pwm?
[12:23] * ShiftPlusOne sighs
[12:23] <malcom2073> Heh, I'm fairly certain that +o means you do.
[12:23] <neilr> That's what I'm trying to do - I'm just not sure if I'm doing it right :)
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[12:24] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't, but he was just flooding the channel with conspiracy theory nonsense. And arguing with everything =/
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[12:24] <gordonDrogon> neilr, do you get register level access from riscos or do they provide functions?
[12:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Which is fine, I just don't think this is the place for it.
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[12:24] <neilr> functions
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> neilr, and they're not working?
[12:25] <neilr> There's a module that provides GPIO functions (setting pin assignments, reading, writing data etc,)
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[12:25] <gordonDrogon> right.
[12:25] <neilr> But, I don't see how to set, say, 50% PWM on GPIO18
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> pwmWrite (18,512)
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> well -in C and my BASIC, anyway ...
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> :)
[12:26] <neilr> :)
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[12:26] <gordonDrogon> the usual range is 1024.
[12:26] <neilr> Yeah, and that's what's missing from the RISC OS !GPIO module
[12:26] <Ryanteck> Hey guys!
[12:26] <neilr> Hence trying to do it myself !
[12:26] <Ryanteck> Another *fun* day in college
[12:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Ryanteck, ahoy
[12:27] <Ryanteck> at least today was pretty fun compared to normal
[12:27] <Ryanteck> I think I went overkill on a simple task
[12:27] <neilr> I grabbed the C source from the Gertboard demos, but that relies on /dev/mem
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> look at wiringPi to see how to poke the registers directly. it's not srtaightforwards, but I spent a long time tryin to make sure it was right.
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> yes, it's the only way to poke the GPIO, really.
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> so if you can memory map it in riscos, then ...
[12:27] <neilr> Good idea - I'll grab a copy and take a look, thanks
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi
[12:28] <neilr> You have PEEK and POKE available in BASIC, even if the syntax has changed
[12:28] <neilr> Can I download a .zip rather than git?
[12:30] <neilr> No worries - got it from git
[12:30] <neilr> ta
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[12:31] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> there is https://git.drogon.net/ which gives you a tar.gz file...
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[12:33] <gordonDrogon> does riscos still use adfs with it's weird no-dot filenames? I rememb c.filename. etc. where c was a directory...
[12:33] <neilr> s'ok - I remember that I do have a linux pi in the corner, so just used git from there, and ShareFS to clone it straight onto my RISC OS machine
[12:33] <neilr> Yup
[12:33] <neilr> . is the directory seperator
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:34] <neilr> and there's no need for extensions, as that's contained in the metadata
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> oh - files are no-longer straight text files anymore?
[12:35] <neilr> Nope - each file header contains the file type, so the filer knows how to handle it
[12:36] <neilr> So for example, an Obey file is type 'feb'
[12:36] <neilr> BASIC is 'ffb'
[12:36] <neilr> etc.
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[12:45] * Davespice sighs
[12:46] <Davespice> sadly... it doesn't look like there is much interest in the Open Arena Tournament idea for the 28th of Feb
[12:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Might be because it's still a long time away
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[12:47] <Davespice> yeah, perhaps people can't think that far ahead :)
[12:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> ?? url etc
[12:47] <Davespice> its a topic in the Gaming forum
[12:47] <Davespice> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=78
[12:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> kk
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[12:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> may be worth running a trial over the weekend ? - get people used to the idea etc... but ap[art from that - ...
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[12:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> the forums are so busy it is hard to follow anything [I use show new posts and mark read whole sections]
[12:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm
[12:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> back later
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[12:53] <VetteWork> wow, h.265, 1/2 the size of h.264.. 4-5 times the processing power to encode/decode though.
[12:53] <VetteWork> oops, wrong channel
[12:53] <azk> still interesting
[12:54] <azk> :)
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> double the patents )-:
[12:56] <Davespice> RaTTuS|BIG: yeah this is what I want to do
[12:56] <Davespice> to test its still playable when large numbers of players are all fighting
[12:57] <VetteWork> maybe we can update the ATSC and QAM standards to include h.265
[12:58] <DrPiD> Probably worth asking Liz to post it on the blog, would get signups that way
[12:58] <DrPiD> I don't often read the Pi forum outside of the Store subforum :)
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[13:04] <Davespice> yeah we may do that in the end actually
[13:04] <Davespice> probably best to wait till closer to the time
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[13:05] <Davespice> but in the mean time, I'd like to get 8 or so volunteers together to do a trial death match game to see what performance is like
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[13:09] <megaproxy> guyzzzz, is there any recommended solar panels?
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[13:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> Monocrystalline 12V 80W ?
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[13:14] <SpeedEvil> 80 w is small, if you want 24*7 in many climates
[13:14] <megaproxy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SOLAR-POWERED-PANEL-12V-2-4W-BATTERY-TRICKLE-CHARGER-/200818619264?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item2ec1b8f380
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> you need about 250w, and a 110ah 12v battery if you want to approach it in Scotland.
[13:15] <megaproxy> i assume that is underpowered
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> 4w - may run while in direct sun
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[13:15] <megaproxy> hm
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> (with an appropriate converter)
[13:15] <megaproxy> its for a backpack.. im going to try power a pi while hiking
[13:15] <megaproxy> to log gps and things
[13:15] <megaproxy> so i guess ill need biger
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> a pi is a basically stupid solution.
[13:16] <megaproxy> well yea, but its a fun one
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> if you are happy with daytime only, 80w might about work
[13:17] <megaproxy> its going to be too big to put on a rucksack haha
[13:17] <megaproxy> le poop
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> unfortunately, yes. 3w continuously is a lot of power
[13:18] <megaproxy> if only i could utilise my walking power
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> a phone, doing GPS logging may use .3w
[13:18] <megaproxy> dynamo on my knee's or something
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[13:20] <megaproxy> SpeedEvil: i could make it a hat like one of these : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/LinusPaulingGraduation1922.jpg/220px-LinusPaulingGraduation1922.jpg
[13:20] <megaproxy> hah
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[13:21] <SpeedEvil> tilted to meet the sun with a little servo
[13:21] <megaproxy> hahaha
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[13:23] <megaproxy> hmr, how else could i do this
[13:23] <megaproxy> im basically building a ghostbusters backpack, but with computers, and sensors and.. stuff
[13:23] <FR^2> I assume there's no way to use both the analog 3.5mm jack and the hdmi for audio output a) at the same time or b) switching without rebooting?
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[13:25] <ShiftPlusOne> FR^2, I think there should be.
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[13:26] <mjr> I am of the impression that it should be possible, b at the least, but not in a position to check
[13:26] <mjr> at least some of the programs ask which output to use...
[13:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Other than omxplayer, what?
[13:27] <mjr> some little game that was included IIRC, not sure which
[13:27] <FR^2> Ah? Well, if there are programs that ask for the output to use, then it's a definite "yes" to variant b ;)
[13:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Not definite, since omxplayer, for example, uses the outputs directly, it doesn't go through alsa.
[13:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Check with alsamixer if it shows up as two different devices or not
[13:28] <ShiftPlusOne> If so, then you can use pulseaudio to magic up all kinds of things.
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[13:36] <FR^2> thanks, I'll look :)
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[13:52] <megaproxy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12v-30w-Monocrystalline-Solar-Panel-/130770065036?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item1e7280d68c Do you think that would work guys?
[13:53] <pronto> depends
[13:53] <megaproxy> on?
[13:53] <pronto> if theres sunlight
[13:54] <megaproxy> does it have the capacity to work..
[13:54] <megaproxy> like that + car battery
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[13:55] <nid0> are you looking for a 24x7x365 setup?
[13:56] <megaproxy> nope
[13:56] <megaproxy> about 5 hours max ontime
[13:56] <megaproxy> during a hike
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[13:57] <megaproxy> it may also power other things, like a small tft screen (off most of the hike)
[13:57] <nid0> why dyou need solar at all then, a battery will merrily see you through 5 hours on a pi
[13:57] <megaproxy> and i guess most of the power will come from the battery, but the solar would keep it topped up
[13:57] <megaproxy> nid0: incase i camp :P
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[13:58] <nid0> something like a powermonkey extreme would probably be more than ample, sorts you for battery and solar charging and can power/recharge just about anything
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[14:01] <nid0> thats a 9Ah battery, which will keep a pi going for a good 12 hours or so on its own - the solar panel wont recharge the battery while the pi's also running, but it'd at least hold it steady in good sunlight
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[14:02] <Ryanteck> Afternoon
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[14:03] <Ryanteck> Woo we have a presentation about "Internet Safety"
[14:03] <Ryanteck> :L
[14:04] <pronto> xD
[14:04] <pronto> fun
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[14:04] <pronto> Ryanteck: tl;dw is: stay away from that internet thing
[14:04] <Ryanteck> well, first thing we got told in general "Don't put your details online"
[14:04] <Ryanteck> Oops
[14:04] <pronto> internet = cesspool of horribleness
[14:05] <Ryanteck> so as we have this talk I will be on a computer
[14:05] <Ryanteck> hunting for the many places you can find my details xD
[14:05] <pronto> xD
[14:06] <pronto> sounds like you work for a gov or somethign
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[14:07] <pronto> http://www.theturtlepi.com/ ooo neat
[14:07] <Ryanteck> Im in college
[14:08] <Ryanteck> cool at that tank!
[14:08] <Ryanteck> I used to have a livestream of my fishtank before Pi
[14:08] <enthusi> hi
[14:08] <enthusi> anyone had suddenly dead USB/ethernet ports?
[14:08] <enthusi> after days of opertation
[14:09] <enthusi> overclocked to 950 Mhz but it died without particular load
[14:09] <enthusi> was fine again then after some time until it quite USB/ethernet again
[14:09] <enthusi> VERY annoying
[14:09] <Ryanteck> Not here, I had my USB chip die as soon as I got it
[14:09] <enthusi> I read it might be correlated to the X1 crystal?
[14:09] <pronto> http://vps3.pronto185.com/curr.html got my pi hooked up to a webcam pointed outside
[14:09] <enthusi> Ryanteck: so you needed a replacement in the end?
[14:10] <Ryanteck> Yeh, just kept dieing out every few seconds
[14:11] <Ryanteck> Pronto: Currently got an old android plugged into my Pi
[14:11] <Ryanteck> planning to make it as a text to it thing
[14:11] <Ryanteck> display on site, turn stuff on and off
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[14:17] <Ryanteck> Wow, I apparently am A cyber stalker :L
[14:17] <Ryanteck> Just because I am fat :S
[14:17] <Ryanteck> I should go, getting distracted
[14:17] <Ryanteck> ttyl
[14:17] <megaproxy> its true
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[14:26] <prjkt> hi
[14:26] <prjkt> anyone ever use the m802 pc on a stick? it seems to be similar to the raspberry pi in specs/maybe a bit better...
[14:27] <FR^2> Hmm. I assume I'm not the only one with a constant lack of usb ports? ;) I need a bigger usb hub!
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[14:28] <nid0> i've got 4 spare usb ports on my 2 runing pi's
[14:29] <prjkt> yep, the pi has 6 built in usb ports, as long as you have three of 'em
[14:30] <FR^2> keyboard, infrared remote, mouse, bluetooth, webcam...
[14:30] <nid0> power and lan going into each of mine, and frankly thats 1 cable more than i'd like :<
[14:32] <prjkt> FR^2, could you talk about how hard it was for you to get infrared remote, bluetooth and webcam working?
[14:32] <prjkt> did you follow some tutorials, was it tricky? (esp bluetooth/web cam)?
[14:32] <FR^2> prjkt: I'm not there, yet ;)
[14:33] <prjkt> That answers my question.
[14:33] <FR^2> prjkt: At the moment I'm using my model A, since the model B sent by RS is faulty and doesn't work.
[14:33] <prjkt> oh no, the model b is supposed to be faulty - it was designed that way.
[14:33] <prjkt> you shouldnt have returned it. you're supposed to complain in the forums.
[14:33] <FR^2> You mean it's supposed to stop working after a few minutes?
[14:33] <prjkt> yes, especially with usb
[14:34] <prjkt> that's why i was surprised at all the peripherals you listed!
[14:34] <FR^2> At the moment I've got only keyboard, keyboard, mouse, harddisc, infrared remote connected.
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[14:35] <prjkt> how's taht remote working for you?
[14:35] <prjkt> how much did it cost and how did you install it?
[14:35] <FR^2> At the moment - not at all. I'm working on it. It came with a DVB-C PCI card by terratec.
[14:36] <FR^2> Hmm. Right now it isn't connected and I'm at work, so I can't tell you what lsusb or such output.
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[14:37] <prjkt> ah okay
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[14:38] <FR^2> But since it doesn't work yet, ...
[14:38] <FR^2> The 1-wire usb adapter works fine :)
[14:41] <prjkt> hey il catch you guys later
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[14:41] <FR^2> But maybe I'll switch to i2c instead of usb for the 1-wire bus
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[14:44] <frikinz> Hello. Is there a page on the wiki which shows which video formats (and maybe at which bitrate) are possible to be played on the pi? I'm only now starting to use it as a video player. omxplayer is the recommended one for GPU decoding right?
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[14:45] <pronto> frikinz: i used xbmc, and it played a mkv whih x264 @ 1080p with no issue
[14:46] <enthusi> frikinz: omx is the only one
[14:46] <enthusi> consider getting those codec-licenses
[14:46] <pronto> make sure you gave the GPU enough ram though
[14:47] <linuxstb> frikinz: The list is quite short - H264 and MPEG-4 ASP (aka divx/xvid) out of the box, MPEG-2 and VC1 if you buy those licenses.
[14:47] <frikinz> xbmc on raspbian installs?
[14:47] <pronto> nah, i just used that pre-made xbmc image
[14:48] <pronto> <lazy and it worked great
[14:48] <frikinz> I don't even need the complete lxde, I need ssh access and video
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[14:48] <pronto> http://www.raspbmc.com/ this is the one i used
[14:48] <mjr> nowadays the list is slightly larger, what with experimental support for theora, vp6, vp8 (webm) and mjpeg, though it can't do full hd with those
[14:49] <mjr> come to think of it, not sure about full hd on mjpeg
[14:49] <pronto> use the magical x264 :p
[14:50] <frikinz> This pi will also do gpio stuffs. I'm wondering about the quality of raspbmc apart from xbmc
[14:50] <frikinz> Pure debian inside?
[14:51] <angelos> raspbmc is just a raspbian with xbmc preinstalled
[14:51] <pronto> ^
[14:51] <angelos> so if you don't need xbmc, use raspbian
[14:51] <frikinz> oh ok
[14:51] <pronto> but it auto does things for you, which is nice
[14:51] <pronto> i just keep an SD card with raspbmc on it
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[14:52] <frikinz> auto does things for you is fine until it does stupid things. it will be connected to real hardware on the gpio side.
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[14:53] <frikinz> and xbmc currently installs as apt-get in raspbian? Last time, there were some conflicts dependenices issues
[14:53] <frikinz> I'll inspect raspbmc I think
[14:54] <frikinz> x264 @ 1080p with no issue is what I'm going to try to see the bitrate limit
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[14:55] <angelos> h264@1080p plays fine here
[14:55] <angelos> audio decoded by external hardware though
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[14:55] <frikinz> hdmi audio is ok iirc. just analog had pops
[14:56] <pronto> http://xkcd.com/1168/ xD so true
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[14:58] <arcanescu> is there a temprature sensor i could use to interface to the bacnetstack on the rpi?
[14:58] <booyaa> bacnet?
[14:58] <booyaa> bacon network?
[15:00] <arcanescu> BACnet :(
[15:00] <arcanescu> no bacon
[15:00] <booyaa> oh shame :(
[15:00] <arcanescu> bacon kills u
[15:00] <arcanescu> but then again what doesnt
[15:01] <booyaa> yeah but its magical foodstuffs
[15:01] <arcanescu> 'magical' is a matter of perspective
[15:02] <Armand> "Magic" is a bacon sandwich that makes itself.
[15:02] <Armand> Why don't we have this yet?
[15:03] <arcanescu> maybe you could program the pi to do that for you
[15:04] <arcanescu> make sure you add the right set of "ifs" to stop it consuming the sandwich
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[15:06] <Armand> arcanescu, I'd rather have the gf do it.. I KNOW she won't eat it. :P
[15:07] <arcanescu> so you're basically trying to say ur gf is hot?
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[15:07] <l1f3> hi guys, can someone help me with external USB harddrive? I have a 2.5 one with a usb cable with 1 head splitted into 2. I assume 1 of them is for power supply. can I cut it off and solder a 5v supply instead of buying a USB hub?
[15:08] <VetteWork> why not just get a usb wall plug and an extension cable?
[15:09] <VetteWork> like $5 worth of stuff
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[15:09] <mjr> if you have an usb-polyfuseless pi, you can probably power both the pi and the hard drive from the extra USB power lead
[15:10] <l1f3> mjr: I try to plug both head into the usb ports of the pi but it doesnt work.
[15:10] <nemo> l1f3: hrm. sure hope the device doesn't balance the power across the two
[15:10] <mjr> if you don't, I'm not sure how advisable it is to have a 5 V source on either end of the pi
[15:10] <nemo> l1f3: like 500mA on one, 250mA on the other, then get surprised when it can't regulate it
[15:10] <l1f3> i have alot of 5v adapter lying around that why i want to use them instead of buying a powered usb hub
[15:11] <l1f3> which just do the same thing. powering the hard drive cus the pi don't have enough power.
[15:11] <nid0> you're missing the point though, you dont need a hub at all, just a usb wall wart
[15:11] <nid0> surely you must have plenty of them lying round as well
[15:12] <mjr> l1f3, and no, that wouldn't work
[15:12] <mjr> having both of them on the pi, that is
[15:13] <VetteWork> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817196089&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Hubs-_-N82E16817196089&gclid=CPHpmbCllbUCFQyDnQodgkEASw
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[15:13] <VetteWork> wouldnt something like that work? plug pi into one and power into other
[15:13] <nid0> why would that be useful, its the power bit that he needs
[15:13] <VetteWork> plug that into whatever is powering the pi now
[15:14] <VetteWork> instead of using 2 wall plugs
[15:14] <mjr> l1f3, but if you have a recent model pi, just go ahead and try it, without a separate power source for the pi (if your 5v source is sturdy enough for both the pi and the hard drive)
[15:14] <l1f3> VetteWork: i think i read somewhere that the pi need 1000mA supply and
[15:14] <l1f3> my adapter only around that so it lack abit i think.
[15:15] <mjr> VetteWork, no
[15:15] <VetteWork> l1f3 IIRC 700ma is recommended. u can get 1.5-2A easily
[15:15] <nid0> the pi needs nearer 400
[15:15] <mjr> 100mA has some leeway for low-power USB gadgets also
[15:15] <mjr> 1000mA I mean
[15:16] <l1f3> so how much mA would you recommend to power both the pi and USB hdd with 1 adapter?
[15:16] <VetteWork> mjr, explain why that cable wouldnt work
[15:16] <nid0> l1f3: 400 ish plus whatever the HDD needs
[15:17] <mjr> 1.5A sounds like it would probably suffice
[15:17] <l1f3> nid0: thanks. so I assume my 1000mA adapter should work
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[15:18] <mjr> if the HDD has a two-pronged USB lead it probably means it can draw more than 500mA...
[15:18] <mjr> wouldn't count on 1000mA covering the both of them
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[15:20] <mjr> VetteWork, I probably misunderstood what you were saying. It would likely work but be a somewhat wasteful use of a hub to use it just as a power splitter
[15:21] <l1f3> mjr: oh, ok. in that case I think I will use 2 adapters if i cant find anything higher than 1A.
[15:21] <VetteWork> I was just thinking single 1.5A wall wart into that would be clean solution. All depends on what install area looks like, if outlets are plentiful then no worries
[15:21] <VetteWork> l1f3 most tablet chargers are over 1A i beleive
[15:22] <l1f3> VetteWork: ones in my drawer are old phone chargers :)
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[15:22] <VetteWork> might need dual than..
[15:23] <mjr> Going to put one on the pi's usual power input and one on the two-pronged usb cable, eh?
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[15:23] <VetteWork> $10 for a 2.1A at amazon
[15:24] <VetteWork> dual port
[15:24] <VetteWork> even comes in pink!
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[15:24] <ssm2017> hello
[15:25] <l1f3> :))
[15:26] <ssm2017> i am a happy new raspberry pi user. after installing raspbian, i have made a apt-getupdate/upgrade and now i would like to upgrade the firmware. do you have a link to a web page explaining the actual way to do it please ?
[15:27] <pksato> raspbian update firmware if need.
[15:28] <pksato> but, you can update manualy. install rpi-update. https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[15:28] <nid0> stable firmware is pushed to the repositories so apt-get upgrade gets you the latest stable
[15:28] <nid0> whereas that ^ rpi-update script will give you bleeding-edge releases
[15:28] <l1f3> mjr: yes, is it safe to do so or do i need some extra regulator or safety circuitry with it?
[15:29] <pksato> but, it can broken you RPi (no boot).
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> ssm2017, personally, I'd leave it at that.
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> unless you think there is something you must have from the latest release.
[15:30] <Davespice> folks, I'm thinking about organising a bit of Open Arena deathmatch this afternoon, 4:30 pm UK time onwards, if you want to participate please hop over to #raspi-event
[15:30] <mjr> l1f3, don't know
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> all my Pi's are on the standard release schedul now - if/when the foundation think a new version of the kernel+firmware is suitable, then I'm sure it'll make it into the system...
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[15:30] <mjr> can't think of why it'd fail spectacularly though
[15:31] <ssm2017> ok, thank you pksato nid0 and gordonDrogon for your answers, i dont need exta
[15:31] <mjr> if the sources are rather close to each other in voltage anyway
[15:31] <xzr> Davespice: muted :f
[15:31] <ssm2017> ri dont need extra features so i ill leave it as it is beacause apt-get upgrade maybe did the job
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[15:40] <sweed> hi
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[15:42] <sweed> I'd like to buy raspberry mobel b, and I want to know what can I do with it...
[15:43] <IT_Sean> have you looked at the website?
[15:43] <mjr> that's usually the order that people do these things in, yes
[15:43] <IT_Sean> lol
[15:43] <Megaf> sweed, hi
[15:43] <Viper-7> sweed: take over the world!
[15:43] <IT_Sean> It's a small, low power computer, with user accessable GPIO, HDMI, USB, and networking. Use your imagination.
[15:43] <Megaf> you can do with it whatever you want
[15:44] <Megaf> sweed, you can use it as a low cost, energy saving, low power, low performance desktop computer
[15:44] <Viper-7> any sigma delta adc lib for rpi yet?
[15:44] <Megaf> sweed, you can use it as low power high performance robot brain/controller
[15:45] <Megaf> swart, you can you it as a home automation control system
[15:45] <Megaf> sweed, *
[15:45] <IT_Sean> mediacenter
[15:45] <IT_Sean> build a robot
[15:45] <sweed> I'd like learn how to use linux, programming, and surf internet without any problem
[15:45] <IT_Sean> take over the world
[15:45] <Megaf> you can use it as a media center
[15:45] <Megaf> sweed, for that you better use just a regular pc
[15:45] <pronto> http://vps3.pronto185.com/curr.html i use the pi to show a webcam
[15:45] <Viper-7> IT_Sean: know much about alsa?
[15:45] <VetteWork> for surfing i have found it a tad laggy
[15:46] <Megaf> because of X
[15:47] <VetteWork> we used one to show a status page that is generated from our sharepoint server.. just a static display in our newsroom..
[15:47] <Megaf> it would be great for surfing if we could use a framebbufer webkit browser
[15:47] <Megaf> framebuffer*
[15:47] <sweed> yes, but given the cost I wanted to know if we could do it on raspberry
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[15:48] <VetteWork> BTW< anyone have a USB keyboard recomendation that has a built in USB port for mouse? The dell one I have has SERIOUS stutter problems
[15:48] <Megaf> sweed, yes, you could, but it would be rather slow
[15:49] <VetteWork> also no youtube support
[15:49] <Viper-7> sweed: youd be far better off with virtual machines?
[15:49] <sweed> Viper-7: it's not the same
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[15:50] <VetteWork> sweed, dual boot
[15:50] <VetteWork> i installed mint on my laptop along side XP, use it almost exlusivly now
[15:50] <IT_Sean> <--- Mint 14 is the only OS on my laptop
[15:51] <VetteWork> sean, have to have windows for a few things :\
[15:51] <Ripukku> what makes mint better than ubuntu
[15:51] <Ripukku> same here
[15:51] <Fah> Invert it. Run winders in a vm :)
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[15:52] <IT_Sean> It's a bit smoother. More polished. And it doesn't have that Unity junk.
[15:52] <sweed> VetteWork: my laptop have problems with linux because uses optimus techlonogy
[15:52] <Ripukku> fair enough
[15:52] <VetteWork> DOD card stuff doesnt work well outside it... FAH, tried running VM windows, still doesnt work right
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[15:52] <Megaf> no windows at all here
[15:52] <Ripukku> although unity dash has a nice search tool
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[15:52] <Fah> VetteWork: Cool. That was mostly in jest :)
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[15:53] <Megaf> android on my phone, Debian Squeeze on my PC and server, Debian Wheezy on my Raspberry, Mac OS X Mountain Lion on my MacBook Pro
[15:53] <VetteWork> it literally only gets booted to XP once a month to check my DOD email...
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[15:53] <Ripukku> is it possible to upgrade from ubuntu 12.04 to mint?
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[15:54] <Ripukku> in any humane way
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[15:54] <IT_Sean> Ripukku: Nuke & fresh install
[15:54] <Ripukku> was affraid to hear that
[15:54] <Fah> Ripukku: the only thing I can think of is a chroot and some partition flipping
[15:54] <Ripukku> I dislike the unity shell too
[15:54] * IT_Sean has Jelly Bean on his phone, iOS 5 on his iPad, Mint 14 on his laptop, and OS X on his iMac.
[15:54] <Ripukku> I see fah
[15:55] <Ripukku> but Im not that advanced in partitioning and chrooting
[15:55] <Fah> replaced an old redhat box with debian that way. kind of nerve wracking
[15:55] <IT_Sean> The Very Best way is a backup of your important files, and a nuke and reinstall. Minimum amount of clutter and fragmentation.
[15:55] * VetteWork doesnt know what fah and chrooting is :P
[15:55] <Ripukku> actually my knowledge of linux came from programming in shell php and java
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[15:56] <Ripukku> my point Fah
[15:56] <Ripukku> nerve wrecking
[15:56] <Ripukku> I got a lot of nerves to wreck :p
[15:56] <Fah> Well, the box was remote
[15:56] <Ripukku> I go with IT_Sean with all due respect
[15:56] <enapupe> I need some help with framebuffer, anyone? I'm trying to fix firefox os, it's cropped on the left side
[15:56] <Ripukku> think Ill backup some stuff
[15:56] <Fah> so i carved a small partition out of the swap partition, setup a chroot and converted over
[15:57] <Ripukku> how long did you take to get this working Fah
[15:57] <Fah> worked great to be honest
[15:57] <Fah> spent the better part of an afternoon on it
[15:57] <Ripukku> couldnt I just remove the whole unity shell and go back to classic
[15:57] <Ripukku> I mean
[15:57] <Ripukku> gnome classic
[15:58] <Ripukku> but then again, might better install Mint
[15:58] <IT_Sean> As long as you are going to the trouble, you may as well just install Mint.
[15:58] <Ripukku> ye
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[15:58] <Ripukku> was thinking the same
[15:58] <IT_Sean> just drag your Musci, Documents and Pictures folder to a thumbdrive, then do a nuke & reinstall.
[15:58] <Fah> partition, format, bootstrap, install grub pointing to new install and reboot. Then format, rsync to proper disk, reinstall bootloader and reboot
[15:58] <IT_Sean> There is nothing like the feel of a fresh OS.
[15:59] <Ripukku> alright
[15:59] <Fah> i mean, really, what could possibly go wrong? ;)
[15:59] <Ripukku> agree on that
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[15:59] <Ripukku> everything Fah
[15:59] <Armand> IT_Sean, new car?
[15:59] <IT_Sean> The backup / nuke / reinstall procedure can be done in half an hour, less the time spent downloading the mint install image
[15:59] <IT_Sean> Armand: I wouldn't know. My car is 26 years old.
[15:59] <Armand> Depends on the car.. :P
[15:59] <Fah> yeah, fresh install was a lot easier. But at the time physical access was a gigantic pain
[15:59] <Ripukku> since I am here anyhow
[16:00] <Ripukku> did anyone played with the rpi as a webcam server
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[16:00] <Ripukku> I've plugged in 2 webcams
[16:01] <Viper-7> ask TAFB when hes awake
[16:01] <Ripukku> and stream it with mjpg-streamer
[16:01] <Ripukku> works great
[16:01] <Ripukku> very easy to do realy, Im just wondering if I could capture the audio too
[16:02] <Ripukku> who's TAFB Viper-7
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[16:03] <Armand> TAFB is great.. definitely chat with him.
[16:04] <Ripukku> Ok, thank you for the recommendations
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[16:06] <enapupe> So.. my mirrors list seems to be broken, every URL listed is returning 404, wth?
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[16:07] <enapupe> Err http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/main upower armhf 0.9.17-1
[16:07] <enapupe> 404 Not Found
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[16:07] <frikinz> did you do an apt-get update before?
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[16:08] <enapupe> yes, but, let me try again
[16:08] <IT_Sean> sudo apt-get install donut --on a plate = true
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[16:09] <frikinz> "yes but let me try again" is the long term version of "no" :)
[16:09] <enapupe> After this operation, 86.0 MB of additional disk space will be used.Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[16:09] <enapupe> Err http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/main libgnome-bluetooth10 armhf 3.4.2-1 404 Not Found
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[16:09] <Ryanteck> Good Afternoon
[16:10] <enapupe> Yes men, I'm running dist-upgrade but it's all 404
[16:10] <enapupe> apt-get update ran sucefully
[16:11] <frikinz> upower 0.9.17-1 is indeed there http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/u/upower/
[16:11] <frikinz> not sure how this mirror thing is handled
[16:11] <enapupe> yes, I did it too.. IDK wth happened, but this night, I left pi upgrading and had to turn it off in the middle
[16:12] <enapupe> (i guess it was on the middle, I just unplugged the power without seeing what was goin on)
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[16:12] <frikinz> can you wget http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/u/upower/upower_0.9.17-1_armhf.deb ?
[16:12] <enapupe> nop
[16:12] <frikinz> if you have wget .. or a browser
[16:13] <enapupe> yeah.. I'm guessing it is some issue on the brazilian mirror
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[16:13] <Viper-7> http://tafb02.click2stream.com/
[16:13] <Viper-7> lol its still up
[16:13] <enapupe> frikinz: http://pastebin.com/26nQ2fvV see?
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[16:15] <enapupe> http://raspbian.ufms.br/raspbian/pool/main/u/upower/upower_0.9.17-1_armhf.deb It is actually 404
[16:15] <enapupe> How can I NOT use this mirror?
[16:16] <frikinz> looks like then only host centos for now.
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[16:17] <frikinz> I think I get redirected to this one: raspbian.dh.bytemark.co.uk
[16:17] <enapupe> Yes, because you are in uk? :(
[16:17] <frikinz> not that close to brazil
[16:17] <frikinz> thank god no
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[16:17] * frikinz runs
[16:17] <enapupe> ahahaha
[16:18] <enapupe> where r u?
[16:18] <frikinz> france
[16:18] <IT_Sean> ahh... that must be what that smell is.
[16:18] <frikinz> blablabla :p
[16:18] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:19] <enapupe> Well.. The only thing left is report the issue ..
[16:19] <frikinz> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianMirrors
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[16:20] <enapupe> Yes, I'm right there frikinz
[16:20] <enapupe> Looking for a report e-mail addr
[16:20] <enapupe> I guess root(at)raspbian(dot)org
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[16:21] <frikinz> meanwhile you have the choice of US or EU or Asia. Which one do you chose? :)
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[16:21] <enapupe> US but how do I chose?
[16:22] <Armand> "U R GAY!"
[16:22] <enapupe> Unfortunatelly, to access EU or ASIA, brazilian requests go thought US
[16:22] <Armand> Sorry.. Simpsons flash-back. :P
[16:22] <double-you> homer simpson?
[16:22] <enapupe> so, It's the best option
[16:22] <double-you> heh
[16:22] <Armand> D'oh!
[16:22] <frikinz> ok. well, change mirroretc in etc/apt/sources.list to point to the adress
[16:23] <enapupe> Yes, there is only one: mirrordetect.raspbian.org
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[16:25] <enapupe> Done..
[16:25] <enapupe> more 404 on the select mirror, next.
[16:30] <Hopsy> Viper-7: do you stream that camera?
[16:30] <Hopsy> at http://tafb02.click2stream.com/
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[16:35] <enapupe> http://xkcd.com/1168/ this comic was so 'today'
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[16:43] <ReggieUK> tar -V
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[16:44] <ReggieUK> epic fail
[16:44] <ReggieUK> tar --version
[16:44] <pronto> ReggieUK: and you now are dead
[16:44] <mano1979> is there maybe a rpi sd inage with opencv included?
[16:44] <mano1979> image
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I use tar most days too.
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> well most weeks.
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> tar cf file.tar .
[16:48] <arcanescu> is there a reason why gpio21 is not active?
[16:48] <mano1979> anyone?
[16:48] <arcanescu> or/im not able to output or use it
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[16:48] <gordonDrogon> you're using a rev 2 board and it's gpio27.
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[16:49] <gordonDrogon> the solution is to use wiringPi and it's own pin numbers which do not change between board revisions.
[16:49] <arcanescu> hmmm gordonDrogon -> 21 = 27 ?
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[16:49] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> and 0 -> 2 and 1 -> 3.
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> unless you use wiringPi.
[16:50] <arcanescu> gordonDrogon: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals -> there is no 27
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> in which case 21 or 27 is 2.
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[16:50] <gordonDrogon> it's a user-edited wiki and has not been updated.
[16:50] <arcanescu> ah okay i get it ... sigh hmm
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> try this: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[16:51] <arcanescu> gordonDrogon: is there an update soruce where these changes are highlighted?
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> arcanescu, buried in the raspberry pi blog there is something from eben.
[16:52] <Nik05> hey guys
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[16:52] <arcanescu> gordonDrogon: ill try to dig it out /look or jsut use wiring
[16:52] <Nik05> how here was/is using rpi-update (Hexxeh)?
[16:52] <Nik05> how = who -_-
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> arcanescu, if you like, or you could just trust me.
[16:54] <K4k> Is there a way to diagnose reasons my Rpi doesn't turn on? I get a single flash of the ACT light and then just the green PWR light. I'm running off of a 5V 1A wall adapter so I'm fairly certain it's got enough juice
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> K4k, it's probably a corrupt sd card. Try re-imaging it.
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[16:55] <gordonDrogon> K4k, hang on - the power light is red, not green.
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> which one flashed?
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[16:55] <K4k> no no, sorry, red power light
[16:55] <K4k> my mistake
[16:56] <K4k> solid red power, single flash from ACT
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> K4k, so the green led flashed then went off?
[16:56] <K4k> yes
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> ok - still probably a corrupt SD card. check it in another computer if you can.
[16:56] <K4k> I ran fsck on the SD card from another machine, it fixed many errors but I was able to mount the SD card successfully
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[16:57] <K4k> maybe the fat32 partition went bad?
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> what about the first partition - the fat32 one?
[16:57] <K4k> can you fsck that?
[16:57] <K4k> or are you asking if I can mount that?
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> I think so, but not sure. you could try to mount it and check the files.
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> what did you do that make it so badly corrupted?
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[16:58] <K4k> it was just running as my home server, running 24/7 running screen/weechat
[16:58] <K4k> nothing fancy
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> ok
[16:58] <K4k> then one day it stopped letting me ssh in
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[16:59] <gordonDrogon> are you overclocking?
[16:59] <K4k> gordonDrogon: I can mount /dev/sdc1 (fat32 partition) without issue
[16:59] <K4k> and yes, overclocked to 1Ghz
[16:59] <K4k> But I thought that that was the safe limit
[16:59] <mano1979> Does anyone know about a RPI sd Image that includes opencv allready?
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> K4k, ok - I'd remove overclocking if I were you.
[17:00] <K4k> know problems?
[17:00] <K4k> s/know/known
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> also, check the checksums - the files themselves might be currupt - run md5sum * on the files - check with http://unicorn.drogon.net/sum.txt
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> well I get problems with overclocking, so I don't overclock anymore.
[17:01] <K4k> gordonDrogon: does the md5sum work for all distros or just raspian?
[17:02] <enapupe> probably all distros, which is yours?
[17:04] <K4k> I've got the arch build on mine
[17:04] <K4k> brb, going afk
[17:04] <K4k> thanks for the help so far
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[17:05] <gordonDrogon> K4k, md5sum is universal.
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[17:18] <Joeboy> You could run md5sum with a pencil and paper if you were so inclined
[17:18] <Joeboy> Would take quite a long time though
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[17:18] <VetteWork> rpi-update, how does that work? command not found and package not found.
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[17:19] <mdik> VetteWork: you mean like "sudo aptitude update" and "sudo aptitude full-upgrade"?
[17:20] <VetteWork> one of the sites i saw said to upgrade firmware/etc to run rpi-update..
[17:20] <aldasa> VetteWork: that was for an older distro
[17:20] <mdik> link?
[17:20] <VetteWork> oh
[17:20] <VetteWork> not on page anymore :P
[17:20] <aldasa> apt-get update gets the firmware/kernel updates
[17:21] <mdik> btw: why are all the people still using apt-get instead of aptitude? i heard the latter has better dependency resolving.
[17:21] <VetteWork> never heard of the latter
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[17:22] <mdik> VetteWork: if you use it with commands it works more or less like apt-get/apt-cache
[17:22] <mdik> but if you invoke it without parameters it is a gui
[17:23] <VetteWork> fancy
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[17:24] <mdik> VetteWork: i just dropped the question in oftc/#debian-next. so let's see.
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[17:26] <VetteWork> neat little installer. will remember that next time
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[17:30] <Davespice> Open Arena testing about to start over in #raspi-event if you want to join folks :)
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[17:33] <mdik> ok. aptitude and apt-get/apt-cache both serve the same purpose. they both do a similar job similarly well. so the only difference one might ponder about is the curses interface aptitude delivers
[17:35] <VetteWork> mdik thanks for showing that, will be a lot easier to browse stuff
[17:35] <mdik> my egoshooting days are way behind me
[17:35] <mdik> np, VetteWork
[17:35] <mdik> learned something myself along hte way
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[17:36] <VetteWork> general question. Possible with a USB SD card reader to do a scheduled backup of main card? not looking to boot from it, but in a remote site if I SSH in and make changes, for it to trickle/replicate to the 2nd card. that way if something happens i have a backup at site to just throw in and boot
[17:38] <mdik> VetteWork: again i am no expert. but i heard experts using rsync
[17:38] <mdik> so i guess you will find more than one tutorial if you search for "debian rsync backup"
[17:39] <VetteWork> ty. checking now
[17:39] <mdik> (the debian being a qualifier because the tutorials are generally solid)
[17:41] <VetteWork> http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/nix/disk/general/disk16-CloneOrBackupDisks/single/
[17:41] <VetteWork> bookmarked that, will visit it when I am awake. but seems like its likely what i want
[17:42] <VetteWork> guess a better idea would be to have card here and back them up over network
[17:43] <VetteWork> probably build the program with all the remote site setups commented out, so dont have to worry about keeping 6 backups, just uncomment site if ever needed
[17:43] <VetteWork> and change IP :P
[17:43] <mdik> a thing you might think about is, that, if you want the backup card ready-to-go, you might do the imagecopying->booting->expanding-root-partition---step before putting it in the reader and incrementally backing up
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[17:45] <VetteWork> so many things i want to do at work and home, but no ideas how on most of them :P
[17:45] <mdik> dito
[17:46] <VetteWork> i have agood programmer at work that i rely on, just wish i could spend the time to learn atleast basics...
[17:46] <VetteWork> i do OK when tweaking stuff, but starting from scratch. not so much
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[17:46] <mdik> ask him/her to show you some code
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[17:47] <mdik> "how does it work?"
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[17:48] <mdik> i, personally, learned a lot just by reading blogposts from developers (of software that i use).
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[18:01] <pasky> Hi! I'd like my RPi to auto-connect to any wifi network it sees with the wifi usb dongle, without explicit ESSID etc. configuration (assuming it's not password protected). Any idea how to achieve that easily?
[18:01] <Davespice> need more people for open arena testing folks, come on its Friday! #raspi-event
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[18:04] <K4k> gordonDrogon: What I meant to ask was "would the md5sums on the site you posted work for any distribution or are they just the md5sums for the files in raspian"?
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[18:08] <Nebukadneza> heho
[18:08] <Nebukadneza> this card: http://tinyurl.com/cbec52j should work fine on the rbpi, right?
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[18:14] <elek> pasky: there is a github project.. ill look it up for you
[18:15] <elek> https://github.com/maxogden/joinopenwifi
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[18:16] <elek> im going to try it out, also built a small service that tweets the external and local ip once the network addr changes.
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[18:16] <hellsing> Nebukadneza, what are the spec ?
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[18:25] <gordonDrogon> K4k, sorry - been afk for a bit - I imagine the bootloader ones ought to be the same.
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[18:25] <gordonDrogon> K4k, so bootcode.bin and start*.elf
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[18:28] <Dagger2> has anybody done benchmarks for routing between two VLANs with an RPi?
[18:28] <Dagger2> particularly with automatic overclocking?
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, er... you know it all goes over once single USB, don't you?
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[18:32] <gordonDrogon> or are you talking purely on the Pi itself?
[18:32] <Kane> hey o/
[18:32] <Dagger2> it'll be limited to 100 Mbit in each direction anyway by the ethernet interface
[18:32] <mjr> he's talking vlans, I presume he's planning on routing on the single ethernet interface
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> you can vlan route internally....
[18:33] <nid0> the pi's routing capacity will easily outstrip what the ethernet interface, and by extension the usb bus, can manage
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> but if going via the usb, then the throttle is that it's half duplex.
[18:33] <mjr> The usb should be mostly enough for that, though there was the thing about the driver / ethernet chip having a lot of usb overhead, has that been improved at all?
[18:33] <K4k> gordonDrogon: I'm just re-imaging the card
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> K4k, probably the best thing!
[18:34] <K4k> after digging a bit it seems a lot of files are missing from /home and /var
[18:35] <xiambax> Whats the best OS for rpi if I want to run a headless server.
[18:35] <xiambax> I couldn't get slackware to run after install
[18:35] <nid0> raspbian or arch, depending on your preference
[18:35] <Dagger2> well, if the USB is the bottleneck then so be it; that means I have extra CPU available for firewall rules and the like
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[18:35] <K4k> xiambax: I tried slackware 14 and didn't have luck either
[18:35] <Dagger2> but how big is that bottleneck?
[18:36] <xiambax> I got the install done, after install no keyboard
[18:36] <K4k> xiambax: same here
[18:36] <K4k> I liked arch while it worked on mine. Currently trying to figure out what went wrong though, it died a few days ago on me.
[18:36] <AtomPhil> xiambax: same here too
[18:37] <AtomPhil> got partway through booting, would identify the keyboard, but got stuck after that
[18:37] <K4k> seems it wasn't getting any usb support at all from what I could tell
[18:37] <xiambax> So raspian seems to be the way
[18:37] <xiambax> How can i strip all the x11 stuff?
[18:37] <AtomPhil> That what I went with, having failed with slackware
[18:37] <xiambax> scale it down to a shell with some command based utilities
[18:37] <AtomPhil> you can uninstall it, but unless you're short of space just don't start it on boot
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[18:38] <AtomPhil> you could even boot into a lower runlevel
[18:38] <hellsing> dagger high I/O on the usb eat a lot of cpu on the pi sadly
[18:38] <mdik> elek: regarding the ip-addr-change-notification. how did you do it?
[18:39] <mdik> (i had an adventure in python-jabberbot)
[18:39] <xiambax> http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages <---- wouldn't this be the best minimal install
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[18:40] <K4k> xiambax: Yea, I would just change inittab to start in runlevel 3 instead of 5
[18:40] <AtomPhil> Personally I wouldn't use the Hexxeh image because you're borrowing configuration pain
[18:40] <AtomPhil> I'd rather strip back the vanilla install than build on a minimal
[18:41] <xiambax> So how can i strip?
[18:41] <Dagger2> it is looking like the answer to my original question is 'no' :-)
[18:41] <Dagger2> time to benchmark it myself
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, while possible, I'd not personally us it as a firewall - mostly due to the half duplex nature of USB
[18:41] <mjr> Dagger2, probably good idea, do tell then
[18:41] <mdik> http://pastie.org/5829101 is my take on removing not needed packages
[18:41] <hellsing> it depends the level of performances you want
[18:42] <Dagger2> gordonDrogon: I'm a bit worried about how well traffic shaping will work, given that (and the slow CPU)
[18:42] <K4k> xiambax: strip or just not run X?
[18:42] <xiambax> No X and no X based apps
[18:42] <AtomPhil> then mdik's list looks good
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[18:42] <Dagger2> hellsing: my connection is 63/3 Mbit/s, so the answer is "quite a bit" :/
[18:43] <mdik> the rest will be dragged away by the dependencies
[18:43] <Dagger2> especially when I have a pile of ip{,6}tables rules and traffic shaping and accounting
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[18:43] <K4k> Look into the debian package groups xiambax, I'll see if I can find you a link, you should just be able to uninstall the @X11 or @Desktop groups, whatever they're called
[18:43] <AtomPhil> but I'd just not start X on boot, unless you're very short of space on your SD card
[18:44] <AtomPhil> don't see any huge advantage in stripping out X and X apps
[18:44] <K4k> ^^ this
[18:44] <xiambax> it would save tons of space no
[18:44] <mdik> K4k: but there is some custom raspberry stuff aswell, like the penguinspuzzle and pistore packages
[18:44] <K4k> mdik: does raspian have something like the tasksel tool?
[18:45] <mdik> xiambax: i haven't measured. but do sudo aptitude clean and df -h before the purge and then same after and report if you want
[18:45] <mdik> K4k: yes
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[18:45] <AtomPhil> xiambix: I would guess in the order of a few hundred mb - not all that much in the grand scheme of things
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[18:46] <AtomPhil> but it won't hurt, so if you're short of space go ahead
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[18:50] <Davespice> Open Arena death match testing in progress over in #raspi-event if you want to join folks :)
[18:50] <pasky> elek: Thanks. I found out that adding a semi-empty network {} block to wpa-supplicant.conf should also do the trick; if i hit any trouble, i'll try joinopenwifi out
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[18:52] <xiambax> I just want to make a hardened rpi raspbian server essentially. no need for all that other crap
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[18:54] <elek> nice pasky
[18:54] <pronto> so i have a powered usb hub, is i okay to both power the Pi from that, and use it as a hub for the pi?
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[18:56] <IT_Sean> Yes
[18:57] <IT_Sean> make sure it doesn't backfeed before you hook up both cables to it
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[18:57] <xiambax> Im going to go get a coffee, this may be an all day project
[18:57] <pronto> IT_Sean: how would i do that?
[18:58] <IT_Sean> plug a cable from the Pi's USB port to the hub, and then plug in the hub.
[18:58] <IT_Sean> See if any LEDs some on on the pi
[18:58] <xzr> mine does that backfeed thing
[18:58] <xzr> is it bad
[18:58] <xzr> :o
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[18:59] <IT_Sean> xzr: is it enough to power the Pi?
[18:59] <xzr> nope
[18:59] <xzr> well
[18:59] <xzr> to some extent
[18:59] <xzr> but it's not functional
[18:59] <IT_Sean> Then you will want to cut the Vpos cable in that USB lead.
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[18:59] <xzr> could it harm the pi?
[18:59] <xzr> or is it just an inconvenience
[18:59] <IT_Sean> If you are both backfeed powering and powering normally, yes.
[18:59] <xzr> hmm alright
[18:59] <IT_Sean> Which is why you want to cust the Vpos lead in the USB cable.
[18:59] <xzr> will have to look into that
[19:00] <xzr> thanks
[19:00] <xzr> yup
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[19:00] <Nebukadneza> hellsing: there is data on this site: http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[19:00] <xzr> don't have the equipment for that at home but can do it at work
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[19:01] <AtomPhil> xiambix: will be interested to hear how it goes, I run mine as a server and I just cleaned up the default ssh config, downgraded the pi user and stuck openVPN on it
[19:01] <Nebukadneza> hellsing: """SanDisk SDHC 16 10 Ultra(30MB/s) (SDSDU-016G-U46) Works with debian6-19-04-2012 (Misox12). Kernel Panic with debian6-19-04-2012. Worked fine with Wheezy image (Casestudies) Misox12 30 May 2012, Casestudies 30 Jun 2012 """
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[19:01] <K4k> gordonDrogon: yup, image must have been corrupt. Re-imaging fixed the issue. Now I just need to remember how I expanded the / partition last time :P
[19:02] <satellit> gparted will do it- or has in past
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[19:02] <Gordio> Hi. How convert 5V to 3V for GPIO?
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[19:04] <Chronax> Hey everybody. I've been working on a hack project with a Raspberry Pi and everything was working great. Now suddenly when I boot into it I'm unable to write any files because it says the file-system is full. Here's what df- H shows me: http://i.imgur.com/0gu62iz.png Can anybody tell me how I can fix this but preserve all of the files on the disk? I've got a ton of work into this and just need to write one more small ruby file!
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[19:04] <pronto> IT_Sean: so, powered usb on, then plug a M-M usb cable from hub to pi's usb port, and the red light came... that's what you're talking about?
[19:05] <ryzen2010> got my pi and bfgminer all setup
[19:05] <ryzen2010> waiting for my bitforce ASIC
[19:05] <xzr> Chronax: maybe the sd card is acting up and has went read only?
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[19:05] <xzr> it's not unheard of
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[19:05] <Chronax> xzr: Anything to look for there? I want to be REALLY careful because this was a lot of work so far.
[19:06] <Chronax> But I think you're right; that's what it feels like to me.
[19:06] <Nebukadneza> hellsing: i bought it because it was listed as working ;/
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[19:06] <arcanescu> Chronax: try the sd on the pc see if you can still write files? or this is the image from the PC?
[19:06] <Nebukadneza> could it be that i need another // newer // somehow fixed // different bootloader.bin?
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[19:06] <Chronax> I looked at the card itself to see if there was a little switch or something, but couldn't see anything without removing the card.
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[19:06] <xzr> well
[19:06] <xzr> as long as you can read
[19:06] <arcanescu> Chronax: had this problem. inserter card to a reader on the pc, wrote some files , plugged to pi and all was ok
[19:06] <xzr> you can just copy the files / take an image off it and use another sd card?
[19:07] <Chronax> arcanescu: Thanks. Any dangers to be aware of with plugging it in elsewhere and just writing to it?
[19:08] <arcanescu> Chronax: not that I am aware of no. However there shouldn't be a problem
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[19:08] <arcanescu> Chronax: id still recommend if you want to be super careful ... back it up first
[19:08] <Chronax> Alright.
[19:08] <Chronax> Thanks everybody.
[19:08] <arcanescu> Chronax: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=10543&p=201482
[19:09] <arcanescu> get the script from here to backup simple shell
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[19:09] <arcanescu> Chronax: more exactly: rpi-backup-restore.tar.gz
[19:10] <xiambax> I don't know why but I love McDonalds coffee
[19:10] <Chronax> Was just going to plug it into a machine and copy it. ;)
[19:11] <arcanescu> xiambax: it is the worst tasting crap ever
[19:11] <xiambax> The new coffee they have in Canada isn't that bad
[19:11] <arcanescu> xiambax: i went to order one and the lady gave me an empty cup and goes like theres the machine go pour one for urself....it felt like being in an office
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> Gordio, if simple inputs then 2 resistors will work.
[19:11] <nid0> <3 my tassimo
[19:12] <xiambax> arcanescu: What city?
[19:12] <arcanescu> xiambax: Manchester
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[19:12] <xiambax> Ah yes, Brits. Rude people.
[19:12] <Linear_> Hey everyone :-)
[19:12] <arcanescu> xiambox: Touch'e to that
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[19:12] <Chronax> Gah.
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[19:12] <gordonDrogon> Chronax, you have written 16GB to a 16GB SD card - it's full.
[19:12] <nid0> hey, dont bundle us all in with mancs and londoners
[19:12] <Chronax> Just pulled the card out, flipped it to locked and back to unlocked and the problem persists.
[19:13] <Chronax> Have no machine that has an SD reader at work.
[19:13] <Chronax> Any other suggestions for how to tell if the card has suddenly become read-only and how I might fix it?
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> Chronax, copy the data with the Ethernet to another PC...
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[19:13] <gordonDrogon> it's full. why do you think it's read only?
[19:13] <Chronax> Because it's a 16GB card with almost nothing on it.
[19:13] <Chronax> http://i.imgur.com/0gu62iz.png
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> not according to df.
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[19:14] <Chronax> It was working fine, and suddenly after a reboot it thinks it's full.
[19:14] <arcanescu> nid0: tell me a place with nice place in britian ill move there
[19:14] <nid0> well, its a 16GB card with 16GB on it, you just need to find out what
[19:14] <arcanescu> nid0: people*
[19:14] <Chronax> :(
[19:14] <Chronax> So close to finishing this project.
[19:14] <Chronax> Literally need to write 1 .rb file.
[19:14] <nid0> I live in Norwich, and we're all very nice
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> cd / ; sudo df -h * | sort -rn
[19:14] <arcanescu> nid0: are they nice to black people aswell there?
[19:15] <Chronax> http://i.imgur.com/zgVJwKU.png
[19:15] <nid0> i'm sure you'd find the typical generational casual racism you tend to get from old people anywhere but beyond that, sure
[19:15] <Chronax> That's the output of that, gordonDrogon
[19:16] <arcanescu> nid0: ill visit soon if thats teh case
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> Chronax, sorry - I meant du -sm * | sort -rn
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[19:17] <Chronax> ?
[19:17] <Chronax> This is so weird.
[19:17] <arcanescu> nid0: tassimo is nice let me see if i can get one off ebay
[19:17] <Chronax> Literally between reboots.
[19:17] <Chronax> Is there any chance that this is happening because I'm logging in as pi?
[19:17] <Chronax> Instead of my regular user acct?
[19:17] <Chronax> Seems unlikely.
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[19:18] <gordonDrogon> Chronax, no.
[19:18] <Dagger2> tip: `du -sh * | sort -rh`
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> Chronax, it is possible that the filesystem is currupt though.
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[19:19] <Dagger2> nicer space usage numbers, still sorts just fine
[19:19] <Chronax> That's going to recurse every directory, right?
[19:19] <Chronax> That's going to be a looooong list.
[19:19] <Dagger2> -s makes it give one line per input argument
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> Chronax, pipr it into head -20 then.
[19:20] <Dagger2> (the * is expanded by the shell, so it's one line per file/folder in the current folder)
[19:20] <Chronax> Going to try to backup quick first.
[19:20] <Nebukadneza> mh
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[19:20] <Chronax> Wonder if arcanescu's suggestion will work. To simply plug it into another machine and write a file onto it.
[19:21] <arcanescu> Chronax: thats what resolved it for me
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> if you have another machine that runs Linx.
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> but if you have, I'd suggest running fsck -fC on it first.
[19:21] <Nebukadneza> just tried again .. sandisk sdhc ultra 16gb class 10 vs. ages old verbatim 2gb micro-sd in an adapter, same image (current xbian) dd'ed to both, the old one boots, the new one continuously-lights the green LED (when connected via svideo), or shortly flashes green (when connected via hdmi)
[19:22] <Davespice> Open Arena death match testing in progress over in #raspi-event if you want to join folks :)
[19:22] <Torikun> nice
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[19:23] <Nebukadneza> what the hell could the reason for that be? Oo
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[19:28] <Chronax> So weird.
[19:28] <Chronax> How the hell did this card just suddenly become full?
[19:29] <chris_99> anyone going to MAKE faire UK?
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[19:29] <Chronax> Can I run fsck -fC on the device now? Would that be beneficial?
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[19:31] <nid0> no
[19:31] <nid0> you'd want to run fsck -nfC on the device but thatll only tell you if there are problems, not actually fix them
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[19:35] <arcanescu> chris_99: do you win something ?
[19:35] <arcanescu> at the faire i mean
[19:35] <chris_99> wine comething?
[19:35] <chris_99> *win
[19:36] <arcanescu> yea as in if youve made something really cool do you win something?
[19:36] <arcanescu> im implying money
[19:36] <chris_99> oh, i don't think so
[19:38] <arcanescu> sigh!
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> nid0, fsck usuall asks unless you use -y ...
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, too far away )-:
[19:40] <nid0> yeah, but he doesnt want it asking and him blindly hitting y to fix all the errors :p
[19:40] <nid0> thats not good for anyone
[19:40] <chris_99> darn :( yeah it is sort of out of the way for a lot of people i guess
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> nid0, sure, but if there are errors, then there is little choice, as even mounting it read-only will sometimes crash out )-:
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, everything is too far away from Devon )-:
[19:42] <ryanteck> wow
[19:42] <nid0> well no but he can take your original suggestion and fix them from another system, doing it on a mounted drive is a pretty sure-fire way of toasting it completely
[19:42] <ryanteck> red pi
[19:42] <chris_99> gordonDrogon, heh
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> nid0, I wasn't sugesting he do it in the live pi! He indicated he had another machine...
[19:43] <nid0> yeah he then suggested doing it on the pi itself
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> ah, missed that. fsck gets really whiney if you try it live ...
[19:44] <FrankBlues> You can fsck upon reboot with shutdown -rF now
[19:44] <nid0> he wouldnt be able to
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[19:44] <gordonDrogon> /dev/mmcblk0p2 is mounted.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting.
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[19:46] <nid0> ah, behaves slightly differently to on rhel then, thatll let you fsck a mounted drive but just with a warning
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[19:49] <gordonDrogon> eek! You can never fsck a mounted FS. it's just .... bonkers!
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> another good reason to avoid RH then :)
[19:49] <K4k> you can, but read-only is advised ;)
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[19:55] <sqrrl> hi there, is there some short but more or less detailed guide about peripherals (power supply/sd card) that i can buy for rpi model b?
[19:57] <nid0> any sd card, any power supply that isnt absolutely terrible, best results will generally be had with a decent branded one
[19:58] <FrankBlues> IIRC you can do a live fsck from single user mode, but all mounts switch to R/O mode automatically when going to single user.
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[19:58] <Linear_> Hmm, is it sacrolige to ask for help with pi edition minecraft? Im having a slight video error glitch, which im 99% sure is my fault.
[19:58] <sqrrl> nid0: sdhc and other sd** will do too?
[19:59] <nid0> sqrrl: SDXC cards are problematic but SDHC is fine
[19:59] <Linear_> Any SD card (8gb+ is best) will be fine, better to get one made by a brand though, and a good power supply is a must for efficient use
[19:59] <FrankBlues> sqrrl, I've had good results with most name-branded SDHC. There's only two SDXC cards on the verified list, probably because they can/do speak SDHC by default.
[20:00] <sqrrl> mhm i see
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[20:00] <sqrrl> can i use micro usb with adapter?
[20:00] <sqrrl> micro sd i mean
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[20:00] <nid0> yeah the pi doesnt actually support sdxc at all, its just that "sdxc" cards that are 64GB support sdhc
[20:01] <nid0> sqrrl: yeah, there're various guides on hard wiring in a microsd adaptor
[20:01] <FrankBlues> sqrrl, I've got a Transcend and Sandisk microsd cards for Plan 9 and RiscOS - I've read that Fedora doesn't like mircosd
[20:01] <sqrrl> i thought the difference was merely physical
[20:02] <IT_Sean> You can put a MicroSD card into a MicroSD-SD adapter
[20:02] <FrankBlues> Should be, yeah.
[20:02] <IT_Sean> Or you can wire in a MicroSD slot
[20:03] * IT_Sean flicks a 1gig microSD card at sqrrl
[20:03] <sqrrl> adapter sounds easier
[20:03] <sqrrl> eheh
[20:03] <IT_Sean> Aye
[20:03] <IT_Sean> It would be
[20:04] <sqrrl> there are sdhc classes, as in sdhc class 6 or sdhc class 10, should i worry about these?
[20:04] <FrankBlues> 1 gig isn't enough for most distros.
[20:04] <IT_Sean> FrankBlues: I know. ;p
[20:04] <IT_Sean> sqrrl: yes, you should.
[20:04] <sqrrl> gawd
[20:05] <sqrrl> isn't there a guide
[20:05] <IT_Sean> Actually, you should be okay with any card. There WAS a problem with some Class 10s, but, i think that's been resolved.
[20:05] <FrankBlues> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
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[20:08] <sqrrl> oh, nice
[20:08] <sqrrl> a guide ^__^
[20:08] * sqrrl hugs FrankBlues
[20:08] <Chronax> Since I suddenly ran into this full SD card issue, would this help me? http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/499/how-can-i-resize-my-root-partition
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[20:10] <Torikun> I actually got openvpn working on the pi!
[20:10] <Torikun> what a great day
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[20:11] <K4k> Chronax: what distribution are you using?
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[20:12] <Chronax> Raspbian.
[20:13] <Chronax> Everything was fine, I rebooted and now this: http://i.imgur.com/0gu62iz.png
[20:13] <Chronax> Need to write 1 tiny ruby file, but can't. :(
[20:14] <K4k> and that's the full size of your SD card or just the size of the partition?
[20:14] <Chronax> Full size of SD card.
[20:14] <Chronax> Which had tons of free space.
[20:14] <xiambax> Word.
[20:14] <xiambax> I have done the install
[20:14] <Chronax> I suddenly booted up and now can't write any files because obviously the FS is full.
[20:14] <xiambax> stopped a lot of stuff
[20:14] <xiambax> Whats the easiest way to deselect packages in debian. The app deselect?
[20:15] <K4k> Chronax: I have something that might help you figure out what's taking up all the space, I'll pastebin it for you
[20:15] <sqrrl> is the hdmi output port standard size? not some weird mini hdmi or sth?
[20:15] <nid0> its standard hdmi
[20:15] <Chronax> Thanks a lot, K4k.
[20:15] <IT_Sean> normal hdmi
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[20:16] <Chronax> K4k: Somebody else suggested that they simply plugged their SD card into a computer and wrote a file on it, and that resolve their problem.
[20:16] <K4k> Chronax: actually, here it's not that long, I'll just one line it for you
[20:16] <Chronax> I mean, there's NO way it used every single available byte on the disk.
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[20:16] <K4k> for dir in $(ls .); do du -sh $dir; done
[20:17] <K4k> run that inside of your / directory and it will tell you which dirs are the largest
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[20:17] <K4k> from there you can cd into them and run it again to hunt down the one taking up all the space (if it is indeed actually full)
[20:18] <Chronax> Seems like something must be corrupted, right?
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[20:18] <Chronax> Because there's just no way that the file system became absolutely FULL.
[20:18] * K4k shrugs
[20:18] <Chronax> After a quick reboot.
[20:18] <K4k> I've not encountered that before
[20:18] <sqrrl> is the hdmi port standard size? not some weird mini hdmi or sth?
[20:18] <nid0> see right underneath the last time you asked
[20:18] <K4k> sqrrl: standard, yes
[20:19] <sqrrl> i assume there are like.. hdmi -> dvi+sound cables.. nice
[20:19] <Chronax> It's saying /var is taking 14G?
[20:19] <Chronax> WTF?
[20:19] <sqrrl> i think i know everything i wanted yay thanks guys
[20:19] <nid0> probably logs then
[20:19] <Chronax> And in var, log?
[20:19] <K4k> cd into /var and run it again to see what in /var is taking up all the space
[20:19] <Chronax> Can I delete the log directory ?
[20:19] <nid0> I wouldnt
[20:20] <nid0> you can delete or truncate any massive logs in it though
[20:20] <Chronax> Yeah, it's /var/log
[20:20] <Chronax> Can I delete kern.log safely?
[20:20] <K4k> I would investigate which log file and what it's saying
[20:20] <K4k> there might be an underlying issue that will crop up again at a later time
[20:20] <Chronax> Right.
[20:20] <Chronax> Tailed the big ones.
[20:21] <Chronax> Yeah /var/log is 13G
[20:21] <Chronax> This is a great tip, btw K4k
[20:21] <Chronax> Thanks.
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[20:21] <Chronax> Hrm...
[20:21] <K4k> your welcome
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[20:22] <Chronax> So theoretically, is it safe to delete messages and kern.log?
[20:22] <Chronax> Lots of these inside messages:
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[20:22] <Chronax> Jan 7 18:36:54 raspberrypi kernel: [23756.715471] Emergency Thaw on mmcblk0p2
[20:22] <pronto> well maybe you should stop putting your pie in the freezer
[20:23] <Chronax> Hah
[20:23] <Chronax> Is that concerning? Also, can I delete kern.log and messages?
[20:23] <Chronax> brb
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[20:23] <Linear_> hey guys what would you consider a safe temp range for the pi? :-)
[20:24] <IT_Sean> somewhere between "cool" and "warm"
[20:24] <Linear_> hehe
[20:24] <K4k> I think it's thermally limited at 80C (?)
[20:24] <IT_Sean> It'll auto-shutdown at 80c
[20:24] <Linear_> Unfortunatly, in the UK, warm is about 12c
[20:24] <Linear_> Okay, well its apparently at 54c now. :-)
[20:25] <nid0> anything < 70 is fine
[20:25] <IT_Sean> Well... move to a 1st world country, and you won't have that problem :p
[20:25] <arcanescu> Linear_: if ur in the uk dont worry abt it just throw it in the rain
[20:25] * IT_Sean hides
[20:25] <arcanescu> to cool
[20:25] <Linear_> Haha!
[20:25] <Linear_> And sean thats a very poor view? ;-)
[20:25] <arcanescu> Yea 1st world country like Iraq or something
[20:25] <Linear_> however i admit 90% of the UK isn't first world.
[20:26] <IT_Sean> Linear_: i was just joking.
[20:26] <IT_Sean> It wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
[20:26] <arcanescu> a joke is funnier if it real
[20:26] <arcanescu> *its
[20:26] <IT_Sean> I've only ever been over to that side of the pond once, but, i did enjoy it, so...
[20:26] <Linear_> As am i. I was just worried because where i keep my Pi is stupidly warm compared to everywhere else.
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[20:28] <K4k> Chronax: Out of curiousity, what is the output of `uname -r` on your pi?
[20:28] <K4k> I'm looking into a possible kernel bug that was reported elsewhere that may be related
[20:28] <sqrrl> btw anyone running websites on rpis?
[20:29] <sqrrl> that a good idea?
[20:29] <K4k> sqrrl: I was hosting a gopher site from mine, does that count ;-P
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[20:30] * sqrrl looks up ???gopher???
[20:30] <K4k> no, in all seriousness though
[20:30] <K4k> I ran lighttpd on it without an issue
[20:30] <K4k> as long as you don't need to run mysql it works well
[20:30] <K4k> mysql was a little heavy though
[20:30] <sqrrl> nah i need some static pages and a tiny blog
[20:31] <sqrrl> probably blog will be generated into static pages
[20:31] <K4k> lighttpd or nginx would be fine then
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[20:34] <Davespice> Open Arena death match testing in progress over in #raspi-event if you want to join folks :)
[20:34] <Chronax> K4k: 3.2.27+
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[20:39] <K4k> nope, that's not the kernel that I'm seeing was affected.
[20:39] <Chronax> K4k: Does that help?
[20:39] <Chronax> Hrm...
[20:39] <Chronax> So, is it safe to delete messages and kern.log ?
[20:40] <K4k> I'm finding some other people saying they had similar problems crop up on Debian and Ubuntu
[20:40] <K4k> not raspberry pi specific
[20:40] <Chronax> Interesting.
[20:40] <K4k> some were saying it was due to unexpected/malformed keyboard input
[20:40] <K4k> but I don't know how much of that was just speculation
[20:40] <Chronax> Last time I'll ask, is it safe to delete messages and kern.log from /var/log?
[20:41] <Chronax> They appear to just be logs to me.
[20:41] <Chronax> So??? seems safe?
[20:41] <K4k> I don't think it /isn't/ safe
[20:41] <IT_Sean> It's not necessarily UNSAFE
[20:41] <K4k> true
[20:41] <K4k> I don't know what will happen
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> K4k, nothing
[20:42] <K4k> ^^
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> K4k, and the intersting thing is that deleting /var/log/kern.log won't free up any space either - until you restart syslogd or reboot.
[20:42] <K4k> interesting
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[20:42] * K4k knows little about the different log files and implications on their removal
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> it's just the way *nix works..
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> if you delete an open file, then it stays on disk until the file is closed, then the space is freed.
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> is kern.log large?
[20:43] <K4k> his /var/log is 13GB
[20:43] <Chronax> Yes.
[20:43] <Chronax> They're both huge.
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> wow. delete them.
[20:44] <Chronax> kern.log is 5GB
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> but... something is wrong.
[20:44] <K4k> gordonDrogon: "Chronax | Jan 7 18:36:54 raspberrypi kernel: [23756.715471] Emergency Thaw on mmcblk0p2"
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[20:44] <Chronax> Any way to safely delete them?
[20:44] <Chronax> Immediately?
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> really - if kern.log is that big, then something is wrong and actually looking at it might be good.
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> and/or type: dmesg | tail
[20:45] <IT_Sean> lol
[20:45] <K4k> gordonDrogon: he is getting "Emergency Thaw on mmcblk0p2" I've tried to see what that might be but I'm not finding anything concrete
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> sudo /etc/init.d/rsyslog stop ; sudo rm /var/log/kern.log*
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> you've had a kernel oops of some sort.
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[20:46] <gordonDrogon> if you're overclocking, then turn it off, do the above and reboot.
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[20:50] <Gordio> anybody play Minecraft on RPi? xD
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[20:51] <nemo> Gordio: seems unlikely that would work too well
[20:51] <nemo> Gordio: official client uses quite a bit more RAM.
[20:51] <nemo> can run a server on it probably, although 512 is awfully low for a server too
[20:52] <Gordio> nemo, how about official alpha for RPi? :D
[20:52] <nemo> er. you mean old alpha versions of the client? don't follow...
[20:52] * Gordio try but not have all libs =)
[20:52] <nemo> or you mean http://hothardware.com/News/Minecraft-Ported-To-Raspberry-Pi-Platform/?
[20:52] <Gordio> nemo, RPi edition
[20:52] <Gordio> yes
[20:52] <nemo> ah. is that even released?
[20:52] <nemo> I thought it was some internal mojang thing
[20:53] <Gordio> alfa version leak
[20:53] <nemo> huh. neat
[20:53] <nemo> well. prob won't run on mine anyway. I just have 256 :-/
[20:53] <Chronax> gordonDrogon: Not seeing anything concerning in dmesg.
[20:53] <nemo> eh. plenty of other things to do w/ it
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> Chronax, fair enough.
[20:54] <Chronax> Just deleted those 2 files.
[20:54] <Gordio> sdcv plenty
[20:54] <Chronax> Rebooting now in hopes I'll have some filesystem.
[20:54] <Gordio> ops. sorry
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[21:13] <pronto> http://raspberry.bagels.xxx/templog.php CPU temp chart :D
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[21:21] <gordonDrogon> pronto, so the temperature is constant within the limits of sensor accuracy...
[21:22] <pronto> gordonDrogon: ?
[21:22] <pronto> does the pi havea bad/cheap censor or something?
[21:22] <libc> Chronax: what were you doing?
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> 31.5 to 32.5 - that's 1C which is as accurate as most digital temp. sensors are.
[21:23] <Chronax> libc: Too vague a question. What do you mean?
[21:23] <pronto> ah
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> it has a sensor - it's just that most sensors are not really accurate to better than 1% over their range - so if the range is 0-100C then theyre accurate to +/- 1C
[21:24] <pronto> also note:i have no idea what i'm doing with gnuplot , so i'm hoping that graph is right
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> so your graph by having such a higely magnified scale is sort of misleading when you first look at it )-:
[21:24] <libc> Chronax: you were wondering how your SD card suddenly filled up, I asked what you were doing to see if there was something that caused it.
[21:24] <libc> *might have
[21:24] <Chronax> Well, I have a suspicion.
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[21:25] <Chronax> I'm running an infinite loop in a ruby script that reads the value of a GPIO pin (to which is attached a piezo).
[21:25] <Chronax> Wondering if that's somehow generating log entries or something.
[21:26] <libc> what is your script doing with that data?
[21:27] <pronto> http://kpaste.net/511bf4783 < is how i'm doing gnu plot (then i have a cron every 5 minutes do plot.pg > /var/www/temp.png
[21:28] <Chronax> libc: It tweets when the sensor's value changes.
[21:28] <Chronax> That's literally all I've got running on this instance.
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[21:29] <Chronax> Is there any chance that reading values from GPIO inadvertently writes log entries or something?
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[21:41] <ParkerR> Was going to type this in IRC but was too long http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=budTSCcq
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[21:57] <aDro> ParkerR: Wow, seems like you need to go in next time with a photo from wikipedia
[21:57] <ParkerR> aDro, Naah I solved mt problem another http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Adapter-Set-Motorola-Atrix/dp/B007RFRHIY/
[21:57] <ParkerR> *my
[21:57] <ParkerR> *another way
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[21:59] <aDro> ParkerR: makes sense. I would think it would be hard to find a female micro-usb female cable without requesting it specifically
[21:59] <aDro> I am jealous of your Atrix
[21:59] <mdik> ParkerR: there are online stores for this kind of socket
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[21:59] <mdik> they come in dozens and even then don't cost 10 cent the piece
[21:59] <[ill]will> does 5v pin push out constant 5v?
[22:00] <aDro> element14 allows you to buy components if you want to build the cables yourself.
[22:00] <nemo> say. I'd like to fiddle w/ GPIO
[22:00] <nemo> I was wondering if someone might have a link to a nice set of basic components for the novice
[22:00] <aDro> I am going to order a 13 cent 2 ping header for the reset switch, and solder it onto the pi myself.
[22:00] <nemo> small breadboard, LEDs, resistors, wires, whatnot
[22:01] <aDro> Nemo, where do you live?
[22:01] <nemo> but, you know, w/o an arduino or somesuch that I don't need right now, and would prefer to use the money on more pieces
[22:01] <nemo> aDro: USA
[22:01] <aDro> element 14 perhaps
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[22:01] <ponytailrick> ordered a PiFace
[22:01] <aDro> or newark
[22:01] <nemo> aDro: kinda vague though. have a kit suggestion? :)
[22:01] <InControl> element14 sux
[22:01] <ponytailrick> from canada.newark.com
[22:01] <InControl> sparkfun or adafruit are a lot better
[22:02] <aDro> Nemo http://www.newark.com/adafruit-industries/955/starter-pack-raspberry-pi/dp/44W3510
[22:02] <InControl> why not order adafruit direct, what advantage is newark ?
[22:02] <ponytailrick> assembled gertboards are already sold out
[22:03] <nemo> aDro: hm. that has a bunch of stuff I don't need
[22:03] <ponytailrick> (i really need to assemble mine...)
[22:03] <aDro> InControl: Good advice.
[22:03] <nemo> aDro: basically everything on the left
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[22:03] <aDro> nemo: http://www.newark.com/twin-industries/tw-e40-510/breadboard-solderless-400-tie-points/dp/56T0249
[22:03] <aDro> http://www.newark.com/wisher/wjw-70b/jumper-wire-kit-140pcs/dp/62M1076
[22:03] <aDro> or http://www.newark.com/global-specialties/wk-2/140-jumper-assortment-kit/dp/10R0134
[22:04] <InControl> get breadboards and the like from ebay really cheap
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[22:04] <InControl> I don't think anyone would bother with E14 if it wasn't for them having an arrangment for the pi
[22:04] <InControl> they are not exactly v freindy to individuals
[22:04] <nemo> aDro: ok. that 2nd link is just the breadboard, not a kit. was hoping to avoid buying each thing individually. *checks the others*
[22:05] <InControl> adafruit on the other hand are awsome
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[22:05] <nemo> I guess combining the last 3 would give me most things, apart from toys like LEDs
[22:05] <aDro> Nemo, you can probably find these items locally
[22:05] <aDro> They are not exclusive to the Pi.
[22:05] <nemo> aDro: I went to a couple of radioshacks
[22:05] <aDro> No breadboards?
[22:05] <nemo> aDro: they sold arduino kits, and individual parts
[22:06] <aDro> Ok.
[22:06] <nemo> aDro: sure. individual boards. but to buy all the pieces individually at the radioshack was kinda pricey
[22:06] <InControl> RadioShack will be out of business soon
[22:06] <nemo> the kits were actually cheaper
[22:06] <nemo> but I was paying for the arduino which seemed silly
[22:06] <nemo> I was hoping for something like that RPI starter pack only without the USB cables and other stuff I already have
[22:06] <nemo> (basically don't need all the stuff to make the RPI go - already had that lying around the house)
[22:07] <nemo> actually, probably have some useful stuff lying around the house if I stripped the old computers too :)
[22:07] <InControl> trouble is a starter pack is going to have all those things
[22:07] <nemo> InControl: there must be some "starter pack" for people getting into electronics
[22:07] <InControl> they can't do a starter pack and an almost starter pack
[22:07] <nemo> InControl: erm. assuming people have HDMI and micro usb cables doesn't seem like that odd an assumption :-p
[22:07] <InControl> Electronics is a wide market
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[22:08] <nemo> meh. fine. I'll just have to buy all the separate pieces. bleah. or maybe get one of those arduino kits. maybe I'll find a use for it :-/
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[22:08] <InControl> I mean anything from , LED's to robotics, or mains control etc
[22:08] <InControl> would be difficult to put together something that would apeal to everyone
[22:09] <nemo> just small components. a grab bag. basically like any kit out there, but w/o platform specific stuff
[22:09] <InControl> Even the Pi gets an army of complaints
[22:09] <InControl> it shouyld have this or that or the other
[22:09] <nemo> surely there must be a "generic" starter kit. :)
[22:09] <nemo> oh well. was just asking hoping someone knew :-/ guess I'll just have to buy individually
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[22:10] <InControl> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10003
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[22:11] <InControl> You are better off buying a range of parts that are tailored to your needs
[22:11] <nemo> InControl: mm. well. dunno what my needs are :D
[22:11] <nemo> InControl: the kit would probably also be a bit inspirational :D
[22:11] <nemo> anyway. that one looks interesting
[22:11] <nemo> no board, but plenty of those elsewhere
[22:11] <InControl> I mean if you are just going to get a few LED's to lightup on a breadboard
[22:12] <nemo> well. that would be step 1. but I was hoping to move on from there once I got a bit more confidence :D
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[22:12] <InControl> or planning using ready made modules for things like motion control, accelerometers, motor controlers and the like
[22:12] <InControl> such a broad subject it is difficult to say what would be useful in a kit
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[22:13] <InControl> Maybe for example if you want to start playing with GPIO on the Pi
[22:13] <InControl> get a breadboard
[22:13] <InControl> follow the articles in theMagpi
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[22:13] <SanMysterious> Hi, I got trouble compiling the kernel. I have found others having the same problem but theres no solution: http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=14655.0
[22:13] <InControl> instead of buying the individual parts buy a selection, i.e a pack of resisors
[22:14] <InControl> selection of LEDs etc.
[22:14] <nemo> InControl: well. clearly someone had the idea that there are things that are useful in a kit, or they would not have made
[22:14] <nemo> http://www.newark.com/adafruit-industries/955/starter-pack-raspberry-pi/dp/44W3510
[22:14] <nemo> :-p
[22:14] <InControl> except you don't want half of it lol
[22:15] <nemo> InControl: just the stuff that I already had dozens of from every camera out there
[22:15] <nemo> the USB and HTML
[22:15] <nemo> er
[22:15] <nemo> HDMI
[22:15] <nemo> the parts themselves seem like a nice idea
[22:16] <nemo> oh. wouldn't need the SD card either. obv.
[22:16] <nemo> case is cool.
[22:16] <xiambax> Who wants to be the first person to connect to my web server externally?
[22:16] <InControl> The parts are all available separately from adafruit
[22:16] <xiambax> I have it all setup!
[22:16] <nemo> InControl: typically buying individual pieces costs quite a bit more
[22:16] <nid0> whats your address then]
[22:17] <InControl> can do but the cobbler is https://www.adafruit.com/products/1105
[22:17] <InControl> $7.95
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[22:17] <InControl> Breadboards are cheap on ebay
[22:18] <nemo> typically buying 1 of anything cheap on ebay means you lose on shipping
[22:18] <InControl> as are a big bag of LEDs
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[22:19] <nemo> don't need a big bag of LEDs :)
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[22:19] <nemo> well. not right away. might be fun to make a crude monitor like the tetris pumpkin, but...
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[22:19] <xiambax> nid0: www.metaxy.ca
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[22:20] <InControl> Well I think a cobbler from adafruit and a big selection of components + breadboard could be had easily for under $40
[22:20] <nemo> cobbler thing does look handy
[22:20] <bge> Could use some help: got my Pi today, been fiddling with it for a couple of hours, can't seem to get it connect to a media server running on my PC
[22:21] <bge> Not a beginner with this stuff, just tried everything to no avail
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[22:21] <bge> If anyone got a few mins, could explain in detail
[22:22] <mdik> bge: explain the detail, pastebin it, then if someone reads it and can help may do so. if not, you can still use the pastebin to post to the forums
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[22:22] <bge> Fair enough
[22:23] <mdik> bge: you should search the forums first anyway...
[22:23] <bge> Oh believe me, I have dug up every bit of data I could
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[22:24] <bge> Been here past 5 hours trying to get it to work :p
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[22:33] <xiambax> trying to follow this tutorial
[22:33] <xiambax> http://jordanburgess.com/post/38986434391/raspberry-pi-airplay
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[22:33] <xiambax> I get an error
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[22:37] <xiambax> Anyone familiar with share port? http://pastebin.com/NTz3LJZ0
[22:38] <ParkerR> xiambax Do you have anything in ~/.asoundrc?
[22:39] <xiambax> What folder?
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[22:39] <ParkerR> shairport works for me
[22:39] <bge> mdik http://pastebin.com/VQWeq1SW
[22:40] <ParkerR> xiambax ~/ is your home folder
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[22:40] <xiambax> no nothing in that file
[22:40] <ikhanh4x> Does the default distro on a RasberryPi include curl?
[22:40] <ParkerR> ikhanh4x, sudo apt-get install curl
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[22:41] <ikhanh4x> I don't own a Pi, but was wondering if it was installed by default. I'm familiar with apt-get.
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[22:43] <ParkerR> xiambax ok by chance do you have pulseaudio installed?
[22:43] <linuxstb> ikhanh4x: I think so. At least, it's installed on my Pi, and I can't see it in /var/cache/apt/archives/, so don't think I installed it manually.
[22:43] <aDro> ikhanh4x: There is no default Pi distro, but Raspian has apt-get
[22:43] <xiambax> how an i check
[22:43] <linuxstb> ikhanh4x: (assuming you're talking about Raspbian)
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[22:43] <ParkerR> xiambax sudo dpkg -l | grep pulse
[22:43] <chithead> the foundation recommended distro is raspbian
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[22:44] <xiambax> yes
[22:44] <xiambax> yes i do
[22:44] <ParkerR> xiambax Try removing that sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio
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[22:45] <ikhanh4x> thanks for the input guys. I'm helping a friend with a project that uses curl to pull his public ip address from ipogre.com (For example, "curl ipogre.com" or "curl ipogre.com/host")
[22:46] <xiambax> IT WORKS!
[22:46] <ParkerR> xiambax so you just had to remove pulseaudio?
[22:46] <xiambax> This works awesome because i have wireless headphones and my base station is by my raspberry pi
[22:46] <xiambax> Yeah, ParkerR
[22:46] <ParkerR> Sweet
[22:47] <xiambax> So I now have airplay capable wireless headphones :D
[22:47] <ParkerR> Yeah alsa and pulse are supposed to play well togther but dont always
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[22:48] <bge> http://pastebin.com/zEPgcm8m any suggestions highly appreciated
[22:49] <ParkerR> bge, #xbmc #raspbmc
[22:49] <bge> Cheers
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[22:50] <aticus> good evening O-nil
[22:50] <O-nil> plop aticus
[22:50] <xiambax> Man this is so awesome.I want 10 of them!
[22:50] <ParkerR> aticus, Hola
[22:51] <ParkerR> xiambax $350 please
[22:51] <ParkerR> :P
[22:51] <aticus> Hola ParkerR
[22:51] <xiambax> 350 dollars isn't a lot of money
[22:51] <xiambax> I will likely order at least 4 more
[22:51] <ParkerR> It is when you dont have it :/
[22:52] <malcom2073> Heh
[22:52] <malcom2073> I wish I could afford 64 of them :-D
[22:53] <ParkerR> malcom2073, Any particular reason for 64?
[22:53] <mjr> it's a nice round number?
[22:53] <malcom2073> ParkerR: Just to duplicate that supercomputer that that uni made
[22:53] <xiambax> I'm running web, file and airplay server
[22:53] <ParkerR> Ahh
[22:53] <xiambax> proc at 10%
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[22:56] <bge> Any suggestions? http://pastebin.com/zEPgcm8m highly appreciated
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[22:58] <ParkerR> bge, You message got through the first couple of times
[22:59] <ParkerR> *Your
[22:59] <Torikun> yo
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[23:00] <[ill]will> blah tried to enable UART by editing cmdline.txt following adafruits NFC tutorial and it would bootup now :/
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[23:03] <SwK> anyone noticed their RPi B rev2's rebooting when plugging in certain USB devices like HeadSets?
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[23:06] <xiambax> Im so stoked on this right now.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/2400000.png
[23:06] <ParkerR> SwK, Yes that happens when the device draws too much power. My hard drive does that but the Pi boots back up and uses it fine
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> 2.4MHz being generated from a Pi's GPIO pin.
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[23:10] <SwK> ParkerR: K thanks??? thats the same thing I'm seeing??? if I boot with it already plugged in no problem if I'm already booted, welp theres a reboot heh
[23:11] <InControl> you need a 1A PSU
[23:11] <ParkerR> InControl, It did that with a 2A
[23:11] <[ill]will> mine freezes when i plug in my edimax wifi dongle
[23:11] <InControl> then you are probably better off with a powered hub
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[23:19] <Hopsy> can someone help me with setting up a wifi hotspot
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[23:19] <Hopsy> http://gyazo.com/2a99690396308b739e2b816677c0bfc3.png?1359748664
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[23:21] <Hopsy> http://gyazo.com/5e59c2e655239f14ee67affa3cc379ac.png?1359757254
[23:21] <ParkerR> Heh rtl8188cus?
[23:22] <xiambax> Check it ! http://imgur.com/a/HUcsT
[23:23] <pksato> Hopsy: iwlist scan wlan0 , show near access points?
[23:23] <Hopsy> yes
[23:23] <Hopsy> it shows
[23:23] <pksato> or is iwlist wlan0 scan ? :)
[23:23] <ParkerR> xiambax :D
[23:23] <ParkerR> Haha nice
[23:23] <xiambax> All three of those devices run linux, its rad
[23:23] <Hopsy> iwlist wlan0
[23:24] <pksato> Hopsy: and, that kind of security this hotspot use?
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[23:25] <Hopsy> iwlist scan sorry :P
[23:25] <Hopsy> how do you mean pksato?
[23:26] <ParkerR> Hopsy, Are you just trying to connect the Pi to a network?
[23:26] <Hopsy> no, I am trying to set an hotspot
[23:26] <ParkerR> Hmm
[23:26] <pksato> set an? not to connect to one?
[23:27] <Hopsy> I can connect, thats working
[23:27] <ParkerR> I think he mean set up a hotspot
[23:27] <ParkerR> *means
[23:27] <s5fs> if you want to use the pi AS a hotspot, check out hostapd
[23:27] <Hopsy> but, creating an hotspot fails
[23:27] <ParkerR> a
[23:27] <wry> an = a
[23:27] <ParkerR> Umm
[23:28] <ParkerR> a != an
[23:28] <wry> I'm trying to describe it better for him...
[23:28] <pksato> Hopsy: you try to make RPi a Access Point?
[23:28] <Hopsy> yes, thats the same
[23:28] <Hopsy> access point == hostpot ?
[23:28] <ParkerR> Hohttp://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=19517
[23:29] <ParkerR> * Hopsy http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=19517
[23:29] <pksato> hotspot.
[23:29] <ParkerR> Even realtek
[23:29] <Hopsy> I already tried this, but wait I will try one more time
[23:29] <Hopsy> give me 5 minutes
[23:29] <s5fs> Hopsy: I've got a project using beagleboards where I need to have the device act as a "wireless access point", kinda like your wifi router at home (think linksys or netgear). I'm using hostapd and udhcpd for the software, hardware is custom but shows up as wlan0 on the host.
[23:31] <s5fs> We don't intend to use the device as a real wifi router (ie, connecting the ethernet port to the public internet does't mean wireless clients can surf the web), but you can do that with a little bit of iptables work.
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[23:37] <Torikun> can someone explain interent object caching to me? I do not understand it
[23:38] <Torikun> like what is squid caching
[23:39] <Torikun> nm foudn a good article
[23:39] <aDro> Sneed's Feed and Seeds; Formerly Chuck's
[23:41] <pksato> some goods from china http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/6397/pcbad9850ch.jpg
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[23:42] <gordonDrogon> pksato, grubby keyboard :)
[23:42] <xiambax> What else could i do with this board?
[23:43] <xiambax> My WD drive comes back on rma in a week and a half
[23:45] <s5fs> xiambax: program it to blink an led via gpio, then attach a big magnet and throw it way up on a sign or something. rpi throwie!
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[23:46] <xiambax> That would be expensive. I could do that with a resistor. a battery and an led
[23:46] <af1> hello raspberry pi
[23:46] <xiambax> way cheaper
[23:46] <s5fs> xiambax: well, you never specified parameters for project ideas, so i just tossed that out there
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[23:47] <s5fs> xiambax: you could play with some of the pre-built distros, see if you like one more than the others. if you hate them all, build your own using yocto or angstrom.
[23:47] <xiambax> I wanted to get armedslack working but it did not.
[23:47] <xiambax> I was disappointed
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[23:57] <s5fs> i hear ya. took me about 3wks to build my own bootable angstrom image, i spent a ton of time on a bad sdcard, haha!
[23:57] <s5fs> now i can begin working on package creation and learning the rest of the tool chain
[23:58] <Hopsy> ParkerR: doesnt work, also my wlan doesnt scan any hotspots now
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[23:58] <xiambax> I have 5 micros cards.
[23:58] <xiambax> 64gb, 16gb, 8gb, 4gb, 2gb
[23:59] <xiambax> so i can swap between them

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