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IRC Log for 2013-02-03

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[0:10] <scummos> does this channel have a bot which can deliver messages to other users?
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[0:13] <Armand> scummos, freenode has Memoserv.. for registered users.
[0:13] <scummos> ah cool, I'll go read on that
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[0:17] <hobo> anybody play with xbees and raspberry pi?
[0:20] <s5fs> hobo: not yet, i've been using bluetooth for short distances but do have interest in xbee. what's your experience been like so far?
[0:21] <scummos> xbee sounds like it used x rays for communication
[0:21] <scummos> which sounds fun
[0:21] <scummos> but something tells me this isn't an accurate guess
[0:21] <s5fs> scummos: not quite. it actually uses a series of directional lazers mounted on a variety of birds.
[0:21] <s5fs> lasers. ugh.
[0:21] <scummos> isn't there an RFC for that
[0:21] <s5fs> there is a pigeon protocol
[0:21] <scummos> ah yeah
[0:22] <scummos> this http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149
[0:22] <piney_> avian carrier
[0:22] <s5fs> man, that was a pretty hardcore geek-check
[0:22] <scummos> hm, what was?
[0:22] <s5fs> quoting obscure phony rfcs
[0:22] <scummos> lol
[0:22] <piney_> i like the april fools RFC's
[0:22] <scummos> wait it's an april fool
[0:23] <scummos> you destroyed my view of the world
[0:23] <Armand> "1 April 1990"
[0:23] <s5fs> haha!!
[0:23] <Armand> Duhh... :P
[0:23] <scummos> pah
[0:23] <scummos> i tought it was totally honest.
[0:23] <scummos> s/honest/serious(g
[0:23] <ccssnet> s/tought/thought/
[0:23] <piney_> someone did it. got ~ 50% packet loss on pings
[0:23] <scummos> s|(|g
[0:23] <Armand> "The carriers have an intrinsic collision avoidance
[0:23] <Armand> system, which increases availability."
[0:23] <scummos> ccssnet: uh yes sorry, thanks for correcting ;)
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[0:23] * scummos is not a native english speaker
[0:24] <Armand> It is funny. ^_^
[0:24] <scummos> and this thought taught th-... stuff is especially confusing
[0:24] <s5fs> scummos: what's terrible is that your english is better than many non-natives.
[0:24] <scummos> heh ;)
[0:24] <s5fs> yes, english is mean like that. read read reed
[0:25] <scummos> well, my mother tongue is german, and I can pretty well imagine it's quite a bit worse
[0:25] <s5fs> yes, my german is poor
[0:25] <piney_> scummos, i wouldn't of known you weren't a native english speaker. you speak better than some native speakers. :)
[0:25] * Armand understands English and Bad English. :P
[0:25] <scummos> piney_: thanks :)
[0:25] <s5fs> I specialize in restaurant dialects
[0:25] <s5fs> (ie, i learn enough to order things)
[0:26] <ccssnet> hah
[0:26] <scummos> that sounds like 90% of what you need of another country's language
[0:26] <s5fs> the only spanish i know is taco truck
[0:26] * plugwash has always wanted to open a document with "The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 3251"
[0:26] <scummos> taco... truck?
[0:26] <plugwash> and see if anyone notices
[0:27] <scummos> this RFC does not have to do anything with those words, does it?
[0:27] <s5fs> plugwash: nobody reads my documentation, i'm certain of it
[0:27] <hobo> s5fs: kind of annoying
[0:27] <ccssnet> s5fs: link, it will be read right now
[0:27] <hobo> and now i jsut got kernel panic
[0:27] <scummos> there's people who read documentation? I thought (sic!) everybody was just asking stupid questions
[0:28] <s5fs> hobo: haha! sorry, i hope you get it working. i'm planning on using you as a resource in the future ;-)
[0:28] <plugwash> scummos, RFC 3251 contains the statement "The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "DO", "DON'T", "REQUIRED", "SHALL",
[0:28] <plugwash> "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", "MAY BE"
[0:28] <plugwash> and "OPTIONAL" in this document do not mean anything."
[0:29] <scummos> hahaha, that's hilarious
[0:29] <hobo> s5fs: yeah was just wondering about getting serial with the gpio working
[0:30] <Amadiro> scummos, you might want to read the documentation to the word "sic" :P
[0:30] <scummos> Amadiro: why, I think I know how to use it
[0:30] <Amadiro> scummos, but you spelled "thought" correctly.
[0:30] <scummos> Amadiro: yes
[0:30] <scummos> that's what I wanted to emphasize!
[0:30] <scummos> ;)
[0:30] <s5fs> hobo: i haven't used gpio on the pi yet except for serial console access. i'm just building images right now, learning angstrom.
[0:30] <s5fs> (and systemd)
[0:30] <hobo> ah okay
[0:31] <scummos> I'm using the UART pins to program another ARM processor
[0:31] <scummos> works nicely!
[0:31] <Amadiro> scummos, you put "sic" after a word to highlight that it is *not* spelled correctly (but you don't want to correct it, in order to be faithful to the original text)
[0:31] <Tachyon`> well, any error, not just spelling
[0:31] <scummos> Amadiro: you put "sic" anywhere when you want the reader to spend special attention to what you wrote
[0:31] <scummos> Amadiro: its usage is not restricted to spelling errors, or any kind of errors at all
[0:32] <Tachyon`> sic erat scriptum, thus it is written
[0:32] <scummos> yes
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[0:32] <Amadiro> scummos, I have never seen it used as a "special attention marker".
[0:32] <scummos> (that's not what it means tough)
[0:33] <scummos> Amadiro: hm, in fact, I haven't seen it used a lot at all...
[0:33] <plugwash> normally it's used when quoting someone to indicate that the mistake was in the original text being quoted
[0:33] <plugwash> rather than a mistake by the person quoting it
[0:33] <Amadiro> It can be found frequently in old-ish translated texts
[0:34] <scummos> plugwash: that's an application I have seen too, yes
[0:34] <scummos> but yes you're right, it's more common for hinting at something that looks like a mistake.
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[0:45] <LilSnoop4> what's the best way to install the latest build of openelec.tv on to my sd card from windows?
[0:45] <hobo> low voltage on the supply or feeds from the USB ports can cause unexpected writes to the SD card
[0:46] <hobo> any EEs know if there is a way to change the hardware such that a newer revision can prevent this?
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[0:47] <plugwash> scummos, iirc you were talking about linux 3.6 a day or so ago
[0:48] <scummos> plugwash: hmm, are you sure? I don't recall
[0:48] <scummos> what do you think I said?
[0:49] * KiltedPi grows nervous as the bearded men begin to talk in assertive tones, causing conflict
[0:50] * plugwash checks his logs, maybe i'm confusing you with someone else
[0:50] <KiltedPi> I found a good place to begin my research into hooking a RaspberryPi into an IP camera.
[0:50] <KiltedPi> Check it out: http://gpio.kaltpost.de/?p=1618
[0:50] <KiltedPi> Its BASH too
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[0:51] <KiltedPi> Which is just awesome
[0:51] <KiltedPi> I dunno if the CPU on a pi can cope. who knows
[0:51] <KiltedPi> The idea is to use it on outdoor motion sensored cams tho, so it will just be snippets of wildlife at night
[0:51] <KiltedPi> So, black and white media for short periods. could work?
[0:52] <plugwash> scummos, sorry I was mixing you up with twolife
[0:52] <KiltedPi> So wrap up my poor pi's, hook em up to some cheap cams, leave em up some trees, hook in some motion sensors... and badda boom badda bing
[0:54] <KiltedPi> This part : "/dev/video0"
[0:54] <KiltedPi> I'm assuming thats the name of my external camera, how do I discover that tho?
[0:54] <scummos> plugwash: no harm done ;)
[0:55] <KiltedPi> We all have beards here, scummos and plugwash.
[0:55] <KiltedPi> We all...
[0:55] <KiltedPi> Have beards.
[0:55] <KiltedPi> :)
[0:55] <KiltedPi> (Even the women)
[0:55] <KiltedPi> Check out : http://gpio.kaltpost.de/?p=1618
[0:55] <KiltedPi> How would I discover my dev/ name?
[0:55] <KiltedPi> Will it just show up
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[0:56] <KiltedPi> I dunno... sod it... All I need to do is buy the IP camera now
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[1:04] <ngc0202> So I've determined
[1:04] <ngc0202> That my rpi is booting and working
[1:04] <ngc0202> It's just not displaying right
[1:05] <hobo> power supply issue maybe
[1:05] <hobo> do you get junk text?
[1:05] <KiltedPi> ah!
[1:05] <KiltedPi> ngc
[1:05] <KiltedPi> theres a config file there for you to play with. is the screen completely black?
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[1:05] <KiltedPi> Also, there are three wee lights, on the pi
[1:06] <KiltedPi> so like, OK, PWR, FDX, LNK 10M
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[1:06] <KiltedPi> if OK and PWR are lit up
[1:06] <KiltedPi> you've got an OS working I believe
[1:07] <KiltedPi> The FDX means theres output
[1:07] <KiltedPi> OK means the SD card is accesible
[1:08] <KiltedPi> The others are for ethernet or something
[1:09] <ngc0202> I don't have an OK
[1:09] <KiltedPi> oh dear
[1:09] <KiltedPi> Flash the OS
[1:09] <KiltedPi> (Erase it)
[1:09] <ngc0202> Like
[1:09] <KiltedPi> At least you've got power tho eh!
[1:09] <ngc0202> There's no OK label
[1:09] <KiltedPi> Re-install the operating system.
[1:09] <KiltedPi> Yeah
[1:09] <KiltedPi> The SD card is not accesible
[1:09] <KiltedPi> It takes a minute to install an os anyway
[1:09] <KiltedPi> You've got Raspbian installed?
[1:09] <KiltedPi> on your SD card?
[1:10] <ngc0202> How is this related?
[1:10] <KiltedPi> Well!
[1:10] <KiltedPi> If you think your pi is working, and theres no OK light....
[1:10] <KiltedPi> Its not a display thing :(
[1:10] <ngc0202> I'm not saying OK is not lit up, but none of the lights are labelled OK
[1:10] <KiltedPi> Eh?
[1:10] <KiltedPi> On your RPi?
[1:11] <ngc0202> Yeah
[1:11] <Zarek_> Is there a green light, ngc0202 ?
[1:11] <KiltedPi> On your Rpi-
[1:11] <pksato> led near audio jack, must flash on SD activity.
[1:11] <KiltedPi> In the top right of this image: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/05/05-31-2012dsc0213300-1338512994.jpg
[1:11] <KiltedPi> Yes, what pksato said
[1:11] <KiltedPi> Its not a display thing.
[1:12] <KiltedPi> Your operating system is likely not loaded.
[1:12] <ngc0202> Oh, it's called ACT
[1:12] <KiltedPi> ACT?
[1:12] <KiltedPi> heh
[1:12] <KiltedPi> chinese pi or something?
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[1:12] <pksato> act or ok
[1:12] <KiltedPi> Is it red!
[1:12] <KiltedPi> I WANT!
[1:12] <KiltedPi> :))))
[1:12] <ngc0202> :P no...
[1:12] <KiltedPi> Ah... Have you seen those ones>
[1:13] <KiltedPi> They made them in ted
[1:13] <ngc0202> I've seen pictures, yes :)
[1:13] <Zarek_> ngc0202, is the ACT light on, then?
[1:13] <KiltedPi> right, gtg walk the dog
[1:13] <KiltedPi> Flash OS
[1:13] <ngc0202> Well when I plug it in
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[1:13] <ngc0202> The power light goes on, then OK goes on for a couple seconds and goes off
[1:13] <Zarek_> yeah, you need to re-image the SD card by the sounds of it.
[1:13] <ngc0202> then my USB Stick starts flashing wildly (meaning activity)
[1:13] <ngc0202> Oh, I should've mentioned
[1:14] <ngc0202> I have the boot part of Raspbian on the SD
[1:14] <pksato> ngc0202: berryboot?
[1:14] <ngc0202> And the entire thing on the USB
[1:14] <ngc0202> I was trying to use berryboot before
[1:14] <ngc0202> But someone else was helping me and told me to just put the boot part on the SD
[1:15] <ngc0202> My SD card only holds like 120MB or so, that's why
[1:15] <pksato> and, you see berryboot screen?
[1:15] <ngc0202> No
[1:15] <ngc0202> I have so far not been able to get any reaction whatsoever to my screen
[1:15] <pksato> and, HDMI or RCA out?
[1:15] <ngc0202> HDMI
[1:16] <ngc0202> I've been trying tons of things all day
[1:16] * mark_vh is someone else
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[1:16] <ngc0202> hey!
[1:16] <Zarek_> latest firmware/kernel?
[1:16] <ngc0202> It should be
[1:16] <pksato> ok. HDMI can be no easy to make to work,
[1:17] <ngc0202> I have hdmi_safe=1 on the config
[1:17] <Zarek_> if the firmware's recent enough that it gives the "rainbow screen" on bootup, I'd try renaming kernel.img so you just get that screen, and just playing with config.txt until that displays properly
[1:17] <pksato> ngc0202: and no display?
[1:17] <Zarek_> (that's how I got my screen to work properly)
[1:17] <ngc0202> nope
[1:18] <mgottschlag> ngc0202: so you are booting raspbian via usb? then try ssh to see whether it is properly alive at least
[1:18] <pksato> humm.
[1:18] <pksato> wait...
[1:18] <ngc0202> :P
[1:18] <ngc0202> I can't connect it to the internet!
[1:19] <pksato> some tv dont activate HDMI input if no signal. and rpi do same if no hdmi dectectd.
[1:19] <hobo> is it plugged into ethernet?
[1:19] <mark_vh> (for the rest: the idea was to reconstruct the boot-from-usb setup here: http://jonathanmh.com/boot-raspberry-pi-from-a-usb-stick/ but without writing an image to the SD as it is only 120MB. So instead of writing an image all contents of the boot partition were copied from an imaged usb-stick onto the sd card)
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[1:20] <Zarek_> that should work fine. i'd say it's just an HDMI issue
[1:20] <pksato> gordonDrogon: try these options on config.txt hdmi_force_hotplug=1 hdmi_safe=1 hdmi_drive=2
[1:20] <mark_vh> (so basically it's a usb with latest raspbian image, and a sd formatted to fat filesystem with all files from boot partition copied onto it, and an extra root=/dev/sda1 in the cmdline.txt
[1:21] <Zarek_> do you have an RCA cable to test that, just to rule out other things?
[1:21] <pksato> hdmi_drive=2 if display is a TV. and 1 if is a monitor (DVI)
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[1:22] <pksato> and, config_hdmi_boost=4 (or 7)
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[1:23] <mark_vh> (sorry, i meant to write root=/dev/sda2)
[1:24] <ngc0202> pksato: Do you mean me?
[1:24] <pksato> yes
[1:24] <pksato> ops... nick miss... sorry.
[1:25] <Hopsy> ngc0202: you still didnt succeed?!
[1:25] <ngc0202> ok
[1:25] <ngc0202> Hopsy: No :(
[1:25] <Hopsy> So am I :p
[1:26] <Hopsy> stupid technology
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[1:27] <ngc0202> Still nothing :(
[1:27] <ngc0202> But the OS must be working
[1:28] <ngc0202> because my USB stick flashes wildly
[1:28] <pksato> defective RPi, or TV.
[1:28] <ngc0202> meaning lots of I/O
[1:28] <ngc0202> And if I switch the HDMI to my cable box
[1:28] <ngc0202> it works fine
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[1:29] <pksato> test from RCA composit TV out.
[1:29] <ngc0202> hm?
[1:29] <Hopsy> ngc0202: just but a serial cable!
[1:30] <Hopsy> ngc0202: thats that yellow thing on your board
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[1:30] <Hopsy> you can connect a cable from your tv to your raspberry
[1:30] <ngc0202> I don't think I have a wire for that
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[1:30] <ngc0202> My TV connects to the cable box via HDMI
[1:31] <ngc0202> which works fine
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[1:32] <pksato> or hdmi cable
[1:33] <pksato> hdmi to hdmi? or hdmi to vga or other?
[1:35] <ngc0202> hdmi to hdmi
[1:37] <pksato> and, test on other tv/dvi_monitor
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[1:45] <malcom2073> So my HDMI doesn't seem to work, all settings either result in "No input" or "Unsupported Input" on my TV (TV isn't broken, 3 other devices all work fine). If I plug in the raspberry pi to a DVI monitor with the hdmi settings set to DVI and it works, does that mean that my pi is good, just incompatible with my TV, or possibly HDMI is indeed broken?
[1:46] <ngc0202> :)
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[1:47] <mark_vh> perhaps it is possible to enable ssh, so you can check if the pi boots correctly?
[1:47] <B0101> Hi, how can I check the CPU speed in raspbian?
[1:47] <Opinie> enabling ssh isn't necessary; it's enabled by default, if you're using raspbian
[1:48] <mark_vh> normally you would do that on first boot using raspi-config
[1:48] <malcom2073> on mine, ssh is enabled, that's how I'm able to log in and make changes to the config file to try different values
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[1:48] <mark_vh> my mistake, i thought it was disabled by default
[1:48] <Opinie> malcom2073: I guess you could fiddle with config.txt, there's an option to boost HDMI, but that probably won't help you
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[1:49] <Opinie> or something akin to boosting anyway
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[1:49] <hays> is there anything I should get in addition to the plain raspberry pi
[1:49] <malcom2073> Opinie: I've tried near every combonation of options heh
[1:49] <malcom2073> RCA output works
[1:50] <hays> looks like there are a variety of accessories? any particularly needed?
[1:50] <malcom2073> and HDMI works with DVI mode over an HDMI cable, but it's extremly green and staticy
[1:50] <mark_vh> for hdmi options overview >> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[1:50] <Opinie> hays: well, you need something to power it up, but if you have suitable power cable then you don't need to buy one
[1:50] <Opinie> or whatever those things are called
[1:51] <pksato> malcom2073: try hdmi_drive=2 on config.txt
[1:51] <malcom2073> pksato: Tried that.
[1:51] <hays> is that just 1A microUSB?
[1:51] <malcom2073> When I say every option, I mean I tried for about four hours yesterday, with almost every different mode, etc.
[1:51] <rideh> hays: yep 1a 5v microusb, an sd card, either eithernet or monitor, mouse, keyboard
[1:51] <malcom2073> Hence my question about a DVI monitor
[1:52] <malcom2073> I'm gonna dig one out here in a bit, but figured I'd ask first if it was worth a shot
[1:52] <pksato> hdmi_force_hotplug=1 ?
[1:52] <hays> rideh: do I need an SDcard receptacle
[1:52] <malcom2073> Yep, that's required to get the "Unsupported input" from my TV, otherwise I just get "No Input"
[1:52] <KiltedPi^afk> negative
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[1:52] <Nbane> Theres a built in SD card reader
[1:52] <Opinie> hays: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Power_adapters
[1:52] <malcom2073> Reading edis, it says it supports the mode I'm using too, which is odd.
[1:52] <pksato> hdmi_safe=1 ?
[1:52] <Nbane> on the bottom of the Rpi
[1:52] <malcom2073> pksato: First one I tried.
[1:53] <pksato> hdmi...boost?
[1:53] <Nbane> malcom, do you have an OK light?
[1:53] <malcom2073> 4 and 7
[1:53] <malcom2073> Nbane: The PI works good except HDMI output
[1:53] <Nbane> Or just PWR?
[1:53] <Nbane> kk
[1:53] <pksato> TV dont lik you RPi. :)
[1:53] <malcom2073> I can SSH in, and RCA works
[1:53] <pksato> like
[1:53] <malcom2073> pksato: My TV likes everything else :( lol
[1:53] <Nbane> You need to mess with your tv
[1:53] <hays> is 4GB the maximum size sdcard, or just the most commonly used
[1:54] <Nbane> if you've tried messing with the config.txt
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[1:54] <malcom2073> Nbane: My TV has no options really for HDMI, it's all automatic
[1:54] <Opinie> hays: it isn't the maximum size for sure
[1:54] <mark_vh> ah, found the config.txt file i was looking for: https://raw.github.com/Evilpaul/RPi-config/master/config.txt
[1:54] <Opinie> hays: get the kind you think you'll need, if you plan on storing everything on the SD card, then get a large SD card
[1:54] <Opinie> hays: I personally have gone with just booting from the SD card and keeping all my data on a USB drive
[1:55] <mark_vh> this config.txt has most options listed in it, so that might help in experimenting with hdmi
[1:55] <malcom2073> mark_vh: Yeah that looks a lot like the wiki page
[1:55] <malcom2073> Not seeing any options not listed on the wiki page, but I'll read through it
[1:55] <Opinie> hays: better do some research though, not sure 64 GB SD cards will work, etc..
[1:55] <Nbane> try booting in safe mode whoever it was
[1:56] <Nbane> If it doesn't boot, even in safe-
[1:56] <Nbane> Well, you should maybe re-install your OS
[1:56] <hays> Do I need an ethernet patch cable?
[1:56] <hays> or just regular ethernet cable and switch
[1:56] <Nbane> RJ45
[1:56] <rideh> there is no difference
[1:56] <Nbane> Is the standard
[1:56] <rideh> ^
[1:56] <hays> patch cable has the crossover thing i thought
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[1:56] <Nbane> So, yeah, industry standard
[1:56] <Iota> Hey.
[1:57] <hays> rx/tx switched around
[1:57] <rideh> rhays nope, crossover is cross over, patch cable just means a cable that joins things :)
[1:57] <Nbane> crossover or straight through wouldnt matter anyway
[1:57] <ShiftPlusOne> hays, any cable is fine, the pi hardware handles it.
[1:57] <Nbane> its all copper
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[1:57] <Iota> So my two domains, raspberryip.com/.org are about to expire. Should I renew?
[1:57] <rideh> hays, what are you trying to do
[1:57] <hays> rideh: i don't know yet :)
[1:57] <Nbane> Hays is just curious as to what peripherals he wants
[1:57] <hays> creative inspiration at this point
[1:58] <Nbane> So far-
[1:58] <hays> i may use it as a way to control a coffee roaster
[1:58] <hays> but maybe not... arduino may be better for that
[1:58] <Nbane> I've bought an old 'Video Picture frame'
[1:58] <Nbane> As my display
[1:58] <rideh> hays, you'll want to supply internet to it and have some way to interact with it, either through ssh or directly on the device.
[1:58] <Nbane> it was cheap and is high resolution
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[1:58] <rideh> i'm wanting to salvage some old laptop screens for displays
[1:58] <rideh> but will need to learn the wiring pinout
[1:58] <Nbane> Yeah, an ethernet cable with two RJ45 connectors
[1:59] <Nbane> One to plug in your internet, and the other end into your pi
[1:59] <Nbane> otherwise-
[1:59] <Nbane> go wireless :)
[1:59] <pksato> rideh: you need a lcd controler, find one on ebay.
[1:59] <Nbane> I've gone wireless
[1:59] <Nbane> But it doesn't hurt to have a cable
[1:59] <Nbane> A wireless USB 'dongle'
[2:00] <Nbane> is a great way to plug in to your existing internet connection
[2:00] <Nbane> What you got your pi for?
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[2:00] <Nbane> Interfacing with robots? :)
[2:00] <Nbane> Or learning to program?
[2:00] <rideh> pksato: thanks, guess i gotta start there
[2:00] <Nbane> Or maybe a media centre?
[2:00] <Nbane> Or for your kid!
[2:01] <rideh> i'm using one for raspbmc and the other will be for some gpio stuff. waiting for breakout cable
[2:01] <hays> what is a gertboard
[2:01] <pksato> rideh: or program some FPGA to use DSI connector.
[2:01] <Nbane> I'm teaching my friends kids to program, and then volunteering to teach at th youth project
[2:02] <rideh> pksato: ideas on good resources for me to get started?
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[2:03] <Nbane> A gertboard?
[2:03] <Nbane> Its just an 'add on'
[2:03] <Nbane> So, a circuit with stuff for you to play with
[2:03] <Nbane> like, LED's.
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[2:03] <Nbane> And a buzzer
[2:03] * Nbane is guessing
[2:03] <Nbane> At least I'm guessing a buzzer
[2:04] <Nbane> Basically, theres this thing... called the GPIO
[2:04] <Nbane> And the GPIO means you can re-program... well.. just about anything
[2:04] <Nbane> so a 'big trak' toy... or a robotic arm...
[2:04] <Nbane> anything.
[2:05] <Nbane> a camera... thermistor... motion sensor....
[2:05] <scummos> as long as it doesn't need to be very fast... yes
[2:06] <Nbane> 512 mb of RAM yeah
[2:06] <Nbane> its a wee computer. that fits in your hands basically
[2:06] <Nbane> The camera thing I'll have some experience with soon
[2:07] <scummos> I was more like hinting at the timing problems with the GPIOs
[2:07] <Nbane> Ah
[2:07] <Nbane> Yeah, they can link into Arduino for that or something.
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[2:07] <scummos> yep
[2:07] <Nbane> Its a learning device, at the end of the day
[2:08] <hays> yes i got a gert board. I think it will be useful for my coffee control and data collections
[2:08] <Nbane> Scratch doesnt run too great for it tho :(
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[2:08] <Nbane> I think Scratch is pretty poorly coded.
[2:08] <hays> i wonder if running android OS or something is an option
[2:08] <Nbane> You can.
[2:08] <Nbane> run android
[2:08] <hays> very interesting
[2:09] <SpeedEvil> sausage time!
[2:09] <SpeedEvil> http://www.andoria.co.uk/b3ta/SausageCrossingHuge.gif
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[2:09] <KiltedPi> (Nbane)
[2:10] <KiltedPi> Didn't notice I was using my gaming nick
[2:10] <TAFB> that gif looks like the weather up here lately :(
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[2:21] <KiltedPi> Where you at TAFB?
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[2:31] <generalzero> i am having some problems with my keyboard on the raspberrypi
[2:32] <UnaClocker> Yeah, that's normal.
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[2:32] <generalzero> is there any fix?
[2:32] <xiambax-pi> sweet jesus i cant wait to get off work
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[2:41] <generalzero> guessing not?
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[2:48] <tdy> "having some problems with my car, any fix?"
[2:48] <tdy> i doubt any mechanic could answer that question either
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[2:50] <hobo> lol
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[2:54] <TomWij> generalzero: Yeah, there are ton of fixes available. Which one do you want?
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[2:56] <TomWij> Avoid keyboards that use too much power, or use some external powered USB hub if you do want to use such keyboards.
[2:56] <generalzero> i have heard that its a power problem but i have been using a 5V 1A adapter
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[2:57] <hobo> have you checked with a multimeter?
[2:58] <TomWij> For instance, a keyboard with extra LEDs, extra keys, key backlight and more magic will most likely not work; a simple keyboard with at most soft green / blue light / LEDs for the numlock and no other magic will likely work.
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[2:58] <generalzero> i checked the raspberrypi and it is always at a little over 5V with and with out the keyboard RJ45 or HDMI cable
[2:58] <TomWij> Although there can still be keyboards in either category that are power efficient or heavily consuming, so YMMV.
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[3:00] <generalzero> i guess ill have to wait for my ps2 to usb cable comes in and use a old keyboard
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[3:02] <generalzero> thank you for the information
[3:06] <TomWij> Good luck.
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[3:22] <parabyte> lvds?
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[3:27] <xiambax> What about lvds?
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[3:32] <parabyte> pi do it?
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[3:32] <xiambax> Yes
[3:33] <parabyte> :O ooo
[3:33] <parabyte> it gets the edid from the panel itself?
[3:33] <xiambax> http://www.chalk-elec.com/?p=1553
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[3:33] <xiambax> its an expansion board
[3:34] <xiambax> Converts hdmi to lads. about as expensive as a model b itself.
[3:34] <xiambax> s/lvds
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[3:35] <xiambax> http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#ecwid:category=3094861&mode=category&offset=0&sort=priceAscinternet enabled?
[3:35] <xiambax> the newyork times just said the rpi wasn't internet enabled. are they referring to model a?
[3:36] <mdszy> xiambax, yep, the model a doesn't have ethernet
[3:36] <mdszy> though I'm sure you could manage to use a wireless dongle, somehow
[3:36] <xiambax> Is the foundation still making and shipping a board because of price point?
[3:36] <mdszy> I'm using one with my model B.
[3:36] <mdszy> xiambax, what do you mean?
[3:37] <xiambax> are they still producing model a boards
[3:37] <mdszy> I'm fairly sure they are.
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[3:39] <xiambax> You know how OLPC had a buy one give one promotion. Why doesn't rpi start a similar project.
[3:39] <xiambax> Where people can buy an rpi for 70 dollars and donate one in exchange.
[3:39] <mdszy> I think I heard they might do one at some point
[3:39] <mdszy> I believe it's in the FAQ
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[3:41] <mdszy> Horray! I got a Ruby web app running on my Pi!
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[3:43] <xiambax> :O they just added a netbsd forum!
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[4:11] <Viper7> http://xkcd.com/303/
[4:11] <Viper7> i get this a lot with the pi :P
[4:12] <mdszy> that's for sure
[4:12] <IT_Sean> lol
[4:12] <IT_Sean> what is this "work" think you speak of?
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[4:16] <ParkerR> :<
[4:16] <IT_Sean> ?
[4:17] <ParkerR> I have arm freq set at 800 but when I check the frequency it reports 700
[4:17] <ParkerR> Oh min 700 max 800. I thought just settings arm freq would stay at that
[4:18] <ParkerR> *settings
[4:18] <ParkerR> *setting
[4:18] <ParkerR> I cannot type today
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[4:24] <ParkerR> http://i.minus.com/ibdrpJi6vQfx1I.png
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[4:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Is your font large enough there?
[4:25] <ParkerR> Monospace 9 on an 11" 1366x768 screen is tiny
[4:26] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[4:26] <ParkerR> Before I was sitting almost at the screen (Lapdock)
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[4:37] <ParkerR> http://i4.minus.com/ixlw9b8FyBlaE.jpg
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[4:45] <swart> anyone here get an apple bluetooth keyboard working with raspbian?
[4:46] <Opinie> umm, do you have some sort of a bluetooth device for the Pi?
[4:46] <mdszy> yeah, the Pi doesn't have any bluetooth built in.
[4:46] <swart> yes. lsusb shows there is a broadcom adapter - I checked the wiki for one that works
[4:47] <swart> but hciconfig shows the network is down
[4:47] <swart> I thought "hey I don't want no stinking USB keyboard, I'll buy a bluetooth dongle"
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[4:48] <xiambax> All I have connected to my pi is a network cable and power. with a sd card
[4:49] <xiambax> all you need really
[4:49] <xiambax> SSH is your friend.
[4:49] <swart> depends on your application
[4:49] <xiambax> True ture
[4:49] <xiambax> True
[4:49] <swart> I want to run it on my TV and I don't want to be curled up on the floor beside the monitor
[4:50] <swart> also, minecraft :)
[4:50] <ParkerR> Good music, monitoring, and browsing. This is the life http://withg.org/parkerlreed/term.png
[4:50] <mdszy> all I have is power, SD, and a wifi dongle
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[4:52] <xiambax> Fluxbox?
[4:52] <ShiftPlusOne> openbox with the onyx theme
[4:53] <ShiftPlusOne> at least that's my guess
[4:53] <ParkerR> xiambax, Openbox, terminator, pianobar, htop, links2
[4:53] <xiambax> Ah
[4:53] <xiambax> I was always a flux box guy myself.
[4:54] <ParkerR> Only thing I don't like about this etup. Switching windows takes a good second
[4:54] <mdszy> mine doesn't have any WM, only arch linux arm
[4:54] <ParkerR> But I guess to be expected
[4:54] <mdszy> currently running a simple ruby web app that uses sqlite3
[4:54] <xiambax> could you use an rpi to run a remote x session on another computer
[4:54] <xiambax> may be faster
[4:54] <mdszy> working really super well
[4:55] <xiambax> I have no practical use for my pi until my WD drive comes back on rma
[4:55] <xiambax> god bless 5 year warranties
[4:55] <ParkerR> xiambax, x forwarding to my good laptop from a remote server is painfully slow
[4:55] <ParkerR> I could even imagine on the Pi
[4:55] <ParkerR> *couldnt
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[4:58] <Tickle> Does anyone have an experince with Motion?
[4:58] <xiambax> On Mac OS X?
[4:58] <Tickle> No, the webcam software for RPis
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[4:58] <ParkerR> Tickle, Umm motion is multiplatfirm
[4:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know if any of them are on right now, but stick around, I see it mentioned all the time.
[4:58] <Tickle> Oh.
[4:59] <ParkerR> *multiplatform
[4:59] <ivotkl> Hello. Am I on the right channel to ask about Raspberry Pi and config related issues?
[4:59] <xiambax> I was referring to the motion graphics application btw
[4:59] <ParkerR> Yes
[4:59] <ShiftPlusOne> ivotkl, for the most part, yes.
[4:59] <ivotkl> Great. Hello. I would like to know if there would be any incompatibility issues if I buy a Class10 Sandisk SD Card to use with Type B Pi board.
[4:59] <Tickle> Anyways, when I connect to my cameras IP, the image only updates for a few seconds, then it stop loading the webpage and the image freezes.
[5:00] <Tickle> ivotkl no there is not
[5:00] <Tickle> How many gigs?
[5:00] <ivotkl> 64
[5:00] <ivotkl> =$
[5:00] <ivotkl> But it is available in 8, 16 and 32 as well.
[5:00] <ParkerR> ivotkl, Should be just fine
[5:00] <ivotkl> Excellent. =)
[5:00] <ShiftPlusOne> ivotkl, I'd recommend you check the verified peripherals list to make sure. It should be fine, but it might not be.
[5:00] <Tickle> Yes, I have the 32 gig card.
[5:01] <ivotkl> http://www.sandisk.com/products/memory-cards/sd/extremepro-sdxc-sdhc-uhs-1-95mbs/?capacity=32GB This one?
[5:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ivotkl, http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
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[5:01] <Tickle> It will work.
[5:01] <Tickle> I have a Sandisk 32 gig
[5:01] <Tickle> Anyone know the reason behind the image freeze?
[5:01] <chaz68> Hey... any of u guys using SqueezePlug on the Pi?
[5:01] <ShiftPlusOne> image freeze?
[5:02] <Tickle> When running Motion, when I connect to my cameras IP, the image only updates for a few seconds, then it stop loading the webpage and the image freezes.
[5:02] <ParkerR> Tickle, Freeze>
[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> rikkib might be the guy you want to talk to, when he's online.
[5:02] <ParkerR> Tickle, Umm well it only captures images when it sees "motion"
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[5:04] <Tickle> What should I use to capture 24/7?
[5:05] <ParkerR> Hmm
[5:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I've heard something about the current kernel not working too well with webcams. AFAIK rikkib uses an old kernel.
[5:05] <chaz68> What is the Media Library function in SqueezePlug if anyone knows?
[5:05] <ShiftPlusOne> or firmware
[5:05] <chaz68> I think I may be able to skip this part of the setup but was looking for advice from someone more experienced with SqueezePlug on the Pi.
[5:06] <ParkerR> Never heard of it
[5:07] <Opinie> I think there was some guy here that once went on about squeezeplug
[5:07] <Opinie> but I don't remember his name or when that was
[5:07] <Opinie> so me saying this is totally helpful
[5:07] <chaz68> http://www.squeezeplug.de/
[5:07] <xiambax> SqueezePlug somehow related to squeezebox?
[5:07] <chaz68> It works and sets up Debian with Samba real easily....
[5:08] <Opinie> you could of course google logs of this channel..
[5:08] <Opinie> *the
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[5:08] <chaz68> Yeah, but I don't care about music streaming with my Pi...
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[5:08] <Opinie> chaz68: setting up samba is pretty simple, have you looked into it?
[5:08] <chaz68> I like it for web server automated install, crashplan, etc.
[5:09] <chaz68> Nothing simpler than pressing a button and having it done for you... :-)
[5:09] <chaz68> I use ubuntu on my desktops, so I am familiar.
[5:09] <Opinie> k
[5:09] <ParkerR> Yes there is something better
[5:09] <ParkerR> Actually know whats going on and set something up yourself
[5:10] <tonsit> or know whats going on and hit a button that does it for you... best of both
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[5:10] <Opinie> chaz68: to be honest, you want to set it up yourself, that way you'll learn, for example, how to restart samba when necessary etc
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[5:10] <Opinie> I've found that very useful
[5:10] <ngc0202> D:
[5:10] <chaz68> Easily said unless you have 20 systems in the house trying to setup...
[5:10] <ngc0202> So I was hoping that it was just a problem with my HDMI cable
[5:10] <ngc0202> as it turns out it doesn't work on the CVBS either
[5:10] <tonsit> yeah, automation is nice if you implement it successfully
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[5:11] <xiambax> my god!
[5:11] <marmulak> ?
[5:11] <xiambax> I had 30 gigs of iPhone backups on my computer
[5:11] <marmulak> gross
[5:11] <Opinie> xiambax: how did you remove them?
[5:12] <ngc0202> It sucks that I can't use my RPi at all :(
[5:12] <xiambax> move to trash
[5:12] <marmulak> ngc0202, why can't you use it
[5:12] <ngc0202> I can't get video output
[5:12] <Opinie> xiambax: where were they located?
[5:12] <ngc0202> from HDMI or the yellow one
[5:12] <Opinie> ngc0202: you don't need video output to do that, but it'd sure be nice
[5:12] <Opinie> you could just use vnc for GUI
[5:12] <xiambax> I think in /Users/xiambax/Library/Application/MobileSync/
[5:13] <Opinie> xiambax: k, thanks
[5:13] <ngc0202> but there's no reason I shouldn't be able to get video :P
[5:14] <chaz68> Anybody using this on their Pi and like it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logitech_Media_Server
[5:15] <xiambax> 30 gigs of Tim Sykes DVD's lol
[5:16] <ngc0202> I really hope somethings not wrong with the pi itself
[5:16] <ngc0202> I've been playing with it for hours, haven't gotten anything on my screen
[5:16] <marmulak> ngc0202: is it brand new?
[5:17] <ngc0202> well, I bought it unofficially
[5:17] <marmulak> either you didn't follow the instructions properly or it's a bad unit
[5:17] <ngc0202> From some guy that had it
[5:17] <marmulak> oh
[5:17] <marmulak> you mean some guy that broke it and tried selling it
[5:17] <ngc0202> But a relatively trusted person, I believe
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[5:17] <ngc0202> Hopefully not
[5:17] <tonsit> are you booted off sd?
[5:17] <tonsit> booting*
[5:18] <ngc0202> Well I have Raspbian
[5:18] <ngc0202> But I put only the boot part in the SD card
[5:18] <ngc0202> and the entire thing on a USB stick
[5:18] <tonsit> ah, gotcha
[5:18] <ngc0202> Which I hoped would work
[5:18] <Opinie> so did you make changes to cmdline.txt?
[5:18] <Xark> ngc0202: Do you at least see the "rainbow" at boot (on composite or HDMI)?
[5:18] <marmulak> I'm thinking of ordering a Pi, but I don't know really if I'll use it or if it'll gather dust next to my other novelty gadgets
[5:18] <ngc0202> Xark: No :/
[5:19] <Xark> ngc0202: You might try a "stock" SD card and double check you get that.
[5:19] <ngc0202> I have goten _absolutely_ no reaction from my TV
[5:19] <tonsit> i have two, one is going to my niece to be her dedicated video player
[5:19] <ngc0202> Well my only spare SD card is only ~120MB
[5:19] <tonsit> if you do the set up for someone, they are quite versatile gifts =D
[5:19] <ParkerR> Heh
[5:19] <Opinie> ngc0202: unless you tell where the OS is, when only booting off SD, booting won't work
[5:19] <ParkerR> The gift that keep on giving
[5:19] <Opinie> have you done that
[5:19] <Xark> ngc0202: Well, I suspect you need a special setup for that to boot properly.
[5:20] <ngc0202> I believe I changed the cmdline
[5:20] <ngc0202> I can't even remember now
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[5:20] <ngc0202> It's this now:
[5:20] <ngc0202> smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/sda2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait
[5:20] <ParkerR> ngc0202, try just flashing an image to the SD card
[5:20] <ParkerR> Remove the flash drive from the equation
[5:21] <Opinie> if that works, then try the USB system
[5:21] <Xark> ngc0202: The rainbow is basically the "BIOS" boot screen (shown after firmware image loaded). If you don't see that, it hasn't booted AFAIK.
[5:21] <ngc0202> Xark: It hasn't booted, or it's having troubles outputting video
[5:21] <ngc0202> Opinie: My SD Card is too small to hold Raspbian
[5:21] <Xark> ngc0202: Well, composite is hard to mess up. It is possible it has HDMI issues if you are testing with that.
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[5:22] <Xark> ngc0202: I suspect you need to get a proper SD card (or get someone to prepare a special image).
[5:22] <ngc0202> What concerns me is that absolutely nothing shows up on the screen
[5:22] <Opinie> or use on the SD the image that doesn't have a GUI
[5:22] <ngc0202> I wish it at least gave that 4 color thing
[5:22] <ParkerR> ngc0202, Right input?
[5:22] <Xark> ngc0202: As I would expect with wonky boot image.
[5:22] <Opinie> then edit its cmdline.txt to refer to the USB disk
[5:22] <ParkerR> Cheap HDMI cable maybe?
[5:23] <Xark> ngc0202: You can try composite if you suspect HDMI issues.
[5:23] <ngc0202> I'm using composite now
[5:23] <Opinie> ngc0202: if the green led doesn't flash at all, it hasn't booted
[5:23] <ngc0202> It does
[5:23] <ngc0202> It flashes for a bit
[5:23] <ngc0202> Then my USB thing starts flashing a lot
[5:24] <ngc0202> (It has a built in light signifying I/O Activity)
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[5:24] <ngc0202> Well the SD doesn't flash
[5:24] <ngc0202> It goes on for a couple seconds then off
[5:25] <Xark> ngc0202: Easiest explanation is incorrect SD image. RPi is also somewhat picky about SD card type IME.
[5:28] <Tickle> I think I fixed my Motion issue: There was a limit on frames to deliver upon connection, set it to 0 (disabled)
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[5:30] <ngc0202> Hmmm
[5:30] <ngc0202> I just put BerryBoot on it
[5:30] <ngc0202> Still nothing
[5:32] <ngc0202> Nevermind!!
[5:32] <Tickle> Yeah that fixed it and upped the FPS
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[5:34] <Viper7> hardware visualization of music (mp3s) from the RPi
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[5:35] <Viper7> where should i be looking? heh
[5:35] <Viper7> surely im not the pioneer of this
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[5:35] <Viper7> been trying to find a media player which will a) run without X (or at least with only xvfb), and b) which will run a visualization plugin without a display connected
[5:36] <Viper7> so far the closest ive found has been Palace for XMMS2, which was designed for parallel port interface, which should be easy to adapt - but it wont compile against current glib/gtk distributions, or cross compile against old versions of the libs unless the current system is actually using them
[5:37] <Viper7> hasnt been updated since 2003 :<
[5:37] <Torikun> wow
[5:38] <Viper7> found a video on youtube of someone doing it on an RPi, but he gave _no_ details heh
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[5:40] <tonsit> andyo: b) which will run a visualization plugin without a display connected <-- I'm not sure what you mean, w/o a display what is being visualized?
[5:40] <tonsit> andyo? wth
[5:41] <tonsit> oh nvm i copied too much
[5:41] <Viper7> tonsit: without a hdmi/composite video display
[5:41] <Viper7> something more like
[5:41] <Viper7> http://www.electronics-lab.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/fft_avr.JPG
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[5:42] <tonsit> oh nice, is that what you have? i'm not gonna be much help here
[5:42] <tonsit> you're looking for a plugin to work off the GPIO i guess? or usb?
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[5:44] <Viper7> im not worried about that side of things, a plugin specifically for the RPi probably doesnt exist yet, but im thinking if i can find one made for parallel ports or such it would be very simple to convert
[5:45] <Viper7> failing that, i need a library which can play mp3s, and pass the audio samples to an FFT routine, so i can do it all myself
[5:45] <Viper7> what i have isnt even as nice as that, just a dozen or so LEDs at the moment
[5:45] <Viper7> but i have bigger plans >:D
[5:46] <tonsit> hehe
[5:46] <tonsit> sounds cool man
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[5:49] <Viper7> yay for random youtube videos
[5:49] <Viper7> MPD using FIFO output, plus FFTW
[5:49] <Viper7> sold!
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[5:52] <Tickle> Okay so now I have a question: I cannot seem to get port 8081 (webcam steam) to let me connect.
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[5:56] <xiambax> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10501&cs_id=1050108&p_id=8072&seq=1&format=2 <---- cheap network adaptor!
[5:56] <tonsit> i used a 20% off coupon for two of those by signing up for their newsletter
[5:56] <tonsit> made my total like $14 with shipping
[5:56] <xiambax> Wow
[5:57] <tonsit> my linux box will be happy, its sharing internet off my win7 with an ethernet cable ;)
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[5:57] <Viper7> Tickle: lsof -P -i:8081
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[5:58] <xiambax> Someone should make a pi list of the cheapest accessories
[5:59] <tonsit> if you make the list, i have some web space
[5:59] <tonsit> hehe
[5:59] <Viper7> xiambax: they call it dx.com
[5:59] <xiambax> I have a domain and a few servers too from home
[5:59] <tonsit> dx is for the pi?
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[5:59] <Viper7> tonsit: no, but they have tons of modules there that work well with it
[5:59] <tonsit> cool, thanks
[6:00] <Viper7> $1.80 bluetooth dongle, $2.60 wifi dongle, $1.90 sound card, and tons of modules built for arduinos which will work on the RPi's GPIO port
[6:00] <xiambax> dx is crazy
[6:00] <xiambax> do they accept visa debit?
[6:00] <xiambax> They are new to canada
[6:01] <swart> Viper7: no kidding - a friend just sent me the link yesterday
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[6:01] <swart> Fry's can go rot
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[6:02] <xiambax> Where do they ship too?
[6:02] <Viper7> xiambax: yeah they take credit :P free shipping worldwide
[6:02] <xiambax> i mean from
[6:02] <xiambax> I hate paying duty
[6:02] <Viper7> hong kong
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[6:02] <Viper7> they're good at lying on customs forms too :P
[6:03] <Viper7> i think you can choose that in the checkout these days heh
[6:03] <Viper7> like what value you'd like them to put on the customs form :P
[6:04] <Viper7> goodluckbuy.com is the other one
[6:04] <Viper7> both quite similar
[6:04] <Viper7> while im dropping names, might as well mention http://taydaelectronics.com/
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[6:05] <Viper7> cheapest provider of through-hole components i know of, very cheap shipping rates, fast/good service - but a limited catalogue
[6:06] <swart> nice
[6:06] <swart> I can build up my library of 7400 chips in case I get sick of fighting with linux drivers :)
[6:06] <tonsit> thats fantastic, ty
[6:07] <xiambax> lol B link
[6:07] <UnaClocker> Anyone else using their Pi to chat on IRC? :)
[6:07] <xiambax> Is all this stuff Chinese knock off
[6:07] <Tickle> I use my as an IRC server
[6:07] <Tickle> but also to chat
[6:07] <xiambax> Most chinese knock off stuff is just repackaged original stuff isn't it
[6:07] <xiambax> Stuff that doesn't pass quality assurance
[6:07] <tonsit> it all comes from china
[6:08] <swart> xiambax: it's all been chinese knockoffs for 15 years or more
[6:08] <tonsit> lol
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[6:08] <ngc0202> hmm
[6:09] <UnaClocker> Can also be stuff with a namebrand on it that was made by a 3rd party.. Not real.
[6:09] <ngc0202> So there's this rapsi-config thing that came up
[6:09] <xiambax> : http://dx.com/p/usb-1-1-10-100mbps-ethernet-3-usb-2-0-ports-hub-adapter-white-10cm-125259 could you use that on a model a?
[6:09] <ngc0202> Can I use it without a keyboard?
[6:10] <xiambax> I dunno how i feel giving some shady chinese website my credit card number
[6:10] <tonsit> good news, if its visa or mastercard
[6:10] <tonsit> or amex
[6:10] <tonsit> or pretty much any major cc
[6:11] <tonsit> they'll cover ya in case of theft
[6:11] <xiambax> They don't ensure visa debit cards
[6:11] <ShiftPlusOne> does omxplayer default to hdmi or analog?
[6:11] <ShiftPlusOne> (for audio)
[6:11] <UnaClocker> I've had more trouble with local restaurants and my credit cards than I ever have had online.
[6:11] <xiambax> Really?
[6:11] <swart> UnaClocker: same here
[6:11] <tonsit> same
[6:12] <KameSense> xiambax: USB 1 doesn't provide enough BW for a 100Mbps ethernet NIC
[6:12] <tonsit> we got charged $400 dollars at a steak hour for 3 people because the waitress switched cards in the back ><
[6:12] <tonsit> steak house*
[6:12] <Viper7> xiambax: they take paypal too
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[6:12] <KameSense> dx is reliable, but I always paid with paypal
[6:12] <xiambax> Idr rather go paypal
[6:13] <swart> my wife had problems for 2 years with her mastercard because a local restaurant made a copy of her card. someone was using it in Florida and every month she had to sign off saying it wasn't her charges, until the card expired
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[6:13] <xiambax> Couldn't she just cancel the card
[6:13] <tonsit> ouch, they make things so painful sometimes
[6:13] <swart> xiambax: she reported it, that's what they made her do
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[6:14] <xiambax> America. Here in Canada they lock that stuff down fast.
[6:14] <Viper7> xiambax: i'd say it'd be fine, but you might want to download that driver cd image they link to and confirm raspbian has a driver for it
[6:14] <xiambax> I had my card skimmed at an ATM
[6:14] <swart> xiambax: it was in Canada
[6:14] <swart> restaurant was in Vancouver
[6:14] <xiambax> unlike most people, I have a 6 six digit pin hard to crack
[6:14] <xiambax> Really. Wow.
[6:14] * xiambax is from Whistler
[6:14] <ngc0202> bwah
[6:15] <UnaClocker> My credit union shut down my card in a heartbeat when it got two "test" charges and then an attempted large charge in France (I'm near SEattle)...
[6:15] <ngc0202> I'm stuck on a menu
[6:15] <swart> xiambax: North Vancouver here :)
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[6:15] <UnaClocker> Got a call telling me that a new card was in the mail..
[6:15] <ngc0202> Because I don't have a USB keyboard
[6:15] <xiambax> swart, You a member of the Ubuntu Lug?
[6:15] <swart> no I'm in Silly Valley for a while
[6:16] <xiambax> CA?
[6:16] <swart> yeah San Jose
[6:16] <xiambax> Nice. Can you get me a job? I'm getting sick of working retail lol
[6:16] <swart> spending my days sending obnoxious volumes of XML around, hoping I can get time on the weekend to play with electronics :)
[6:16] <ngc0202> Any recommendations? :p
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[6:17] <swart> ngc0202: get a USB keyboard?
[6:17] <ngc0202> I don't own one :P
[6:17] <ngc0202> Is there a way to get it to work with a mouse?
[6:17] <swart> I have one but it uses to much power for the pi
[6:17] <xiambax> You should ssh in ngc0202
[6:17] <swart> so today I went and got a bluetooth keyboard and a dongle
[6:17] <ngc0202> well it's a gui menu
[6:18] <swart> xiambax: yeah that's what I'm doing right now. trying to get my bluetooth drivers to work
[6:18] <ngc0202> I think it just needs arrow keys :P
[6:18] <swart> gui menus all have command line equivalents
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[6:19] <Viper7> ngc0202: how about network?
[6:19] <Viper7> just ssh in?
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[6:20] <ngc0202> Well its not connected to the internet
[6:20] <Tickle> Dumb question: is it possible to SSH from an outside IP address?
[6:20] <Tickle> Just open port 22?
[6:20] <piney_> Tickle, yes
[6:21] <Tickle> Thanks
[6:21] <Viper7> ngc0202: a local network?
[6:21] <tonsit> ngc, i'm in a similar spot as you, i'm about to connect it over ethernet to get around not having a keyboard to use
[6:21] <tonsit> my wireless dongle is two days out hehe
[6:21] <ngc0202> I can't get ethernet in my room :(
[6:21] <tonsit> do you have an open ethernet port on your win7 pc?
[6:21] <tonsit> or w/e you are on
[6:21] <Tickle> tonsit, did you order from amazon?
[6:21] <tonsit> monoprice i think
[6:21] <swart> if you have a mac you can connect directly with a regular ethernet cable
[6:21] <tonsit> yes, monoprice
[6:21] <Viper7> i only use my pi over ssh, I plug it in to the local network, check the router for what DHCP leases have been given out, and ssh to that IP
[6:22] <swart> I just put a static address in mine
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[6:22] <tonsit> yeah like swarts saying, you can do internet sharing with just about any os
[6:22] <Viper7> you cant do that if you cant configure it :P
[6:22] <swart> it's a chicken and egg problem :)
[6:22] <tonsit> so set the ip before you upload the sd img
[6:22] <tonsit> or good luck
[6:22] <tonsit> ;)
[6:23] <Tickle> I had to reconfigure all of my RPi IPs becuase when I got my wifi dongle it changed the DHCP
[6:23] <tonsit> dhcp will be nice
[6:23] <xiambax> Am I the only one who statically sets ips at home?
[6:23] <tonsit> wifi on my linux box will be nice too
[6:23] <swart> you can also configure your router to always give out the same IP address for each mac address
[6:23] <tonsit> i set them when its needed
[6:24] <xiambax> Everything in my house has an ip and a name. That way when i ssh into my router, i know whats up
[6:24] <piney_> xiambax, no, all static here except laptops, tablets and cellphones
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[6:24] <Tickle> swart yeah but I don't change locations much
[6:24] <tonsit> i do that too with what swart said, let the pcs worry about ips
[6:24] <tonsit> router rather
[6:24] <swart> I find it nice for setting up rules and whatnot
[6:24] <xiambax> I got bored last week and setup ipv6 for my whole house
[6:24] <xiambax> lol
[6:25] <tonsit> let the router maintain what gets what ip
[6:25] <swart> some people want to run minecraft servers, I have some rules for ssh etc.
[6:25] <Tickle> Is it possible to run a full scale Minecraft servr off a Pi?
[6:25] <swart> doubtful
[6:25] <ShiftPlusOne> As long as nobody joins
[6:25] <tonsit> full scale or personal to the pi
[6:25] <Tickle> ahaha
[6:25] <piney_> Tickle, memory will be the limit
[6:25] <swart> I was running minecraft server on a linux box with 1Gb of ram and it was beyond slow
[6:25] <ShiftPlusOne> no, cpu is the limit
[6:26] <piney_> interesting
[6:26] <ShiftPlusOne> cpu is at 100% before memory fills up
[6:26] <Tickle> Minecraft isn't known for efficiency.
[6:26] <swart> it's java. everything is the limit :)
[6:26] <tonsit> lol
[6:26] <piney_> lol
[6:26] <swart> so does pi edition of minecraft java based or C/C++?
[6:26] <swart> is
[6:26] <tonsit> i figured it wasn't around, maybe its python
[6:27] <ShiftPlusOne> pi edition is not java
[6:27] <tonsit> so whats that, c?
[6:27] <swart> the apple version was definitely in c
[6:27] <ShiftPlusOne> but it doesn't run a server
[6:27] <swart> no java on ios
[6:27] <Tickle> Most likely Python, but don't expect anything near what youd imagine minecraft is.
[6:27] <swart> and since it's arm and gles
[6:27] <swart> not python I think
[6:27] <ShiftPlusOne> no, not python
[6:27] <tonsit> its just a big black box with a line
[6:27] <tonsit> follow it
[6:27] <swart> python is much slower htan java
[6:27] <ShiftPlusOne> c or c++ afaik
[6:27] <tonsit> heh
[6:29] <ShiftPlusOne> There are C implementations of the minecraft server which people have had some success with.
[6:30] <swart> it's practically open source. the java sdk is basically all the minecraft source code decompiled and unobfuscated
[6:30] <Tickle> I want to see someone make a Google Glass like HUD with a Pi
[6:30] <ShiftPlusOne> But by success I think they mean they joined and it didn't crash straight away.
[6:30] <swart> porting minecraft to c would be a lot of work, but there are a lot of people who would be willing to do that
[6:31] <swart> :)
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[6:31] <Tickle> I love how Google made it seem like Glass was going to be what all of imagine the future as, only to turn around and say it was only going to show notification icons :(
[6:31] <swart> Tickle: it's one thing to make a movie, quite another to make a useable product
[6:31] <Torikun> really?
[6:31] <Torikun> that's it?
[6:32] <Tickle> I hope they keep it somewhat open source and have the screen be larger than what they show.
[6:33] <Tickle> I can see where they are coming from with safety being an issue, but still I want to watch a movie with my glasses!
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[6:34] <ngc0202> woops
[6:36] <tonsit> hmm
[6:36] <tonsit> they had technology like that 20 years ago if i can find it, it was like $200 back then no idea what it would be now
[6:36] <tonsit> it had A/V inputs
[6:36] <tonsit> would work with the pi
[6:37] <Tickle> Google Glass?
[6:37] <tonsit> it projected the image onto whatever you were looking at
[6:37] <tonsit> no it was for tv
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[6:38] <Tickle> They've had rear projection televisions for years, the only issue was that the image would continue past the glass, unlike the TVs wich would be a white screen.
[6:38] <Torikun> what website you know of that has a lot of ads?
[6:38] <swart> you shouldn't think about what it would be like 20 years ago for people to see what we have now. it makes much more sense to think about what you can make that most people aren't thinking about yet
[6:38] <Torikun> I want to test out the squid plugin
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[6:38] <tonsit> yes, it required you to look at a white screen i believe
[6:39] <tonsit> or a wall or some white object
[6:39] <Tickle> Someone did a project like that using colored tape and a projector to do a protable computer.
[6:40] <tonsit> they're doing similar things for holograms now, projecting them inside cubes
[6:40] <xiambax> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/17nlas/trying_to_host_an_irc_server_but_cant_portforward/
[6:40] <Tickle> ^That was me.
[6:40] <xiambax> I figured
[6:41] <xiambax> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/16v7k3/how_loud_are_rpis/ <--- bahahaha
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[6:41] <Torikun> lol
[6:41] <Torikun> what website you guys know of with lots of ads?
[6:41] <xiambax> Google.com
[6:42] <xiambax> ads everywhere
[6:42] <Torikun> where
[6:42] <ShiftPlusOne> All of them
[6:42] <Tickle> livejasmin.com
[6:42] <swart> lol
[6:42] <Torikun> ok
[6:42] <Torikun> lol
[6:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Tickle, check topic
[6:42] <Torikun> I do not see any on google
[6:42] <swart> hey Tickle this is a family friendly channel
[6:42] <Tickle> sorry
[6:42] <swart> lots of under 13 here
[6:42] <swart> np I'm not an op :)
[6:42] <Torikun> where do you see ads on google
[6:43] <xiambax> Im referring to the old google i think
[6:43] <xiambax> or maybe a different google.
[6:43] <Torikun> i cant find any site with ads now
[6:43] <Torikun> lol
[6:43] <xiambax> the invite only google
[6:43] <Torikun> and I wanna test the squid plugin
[6:43] <xiambax> You were not invited i guess
[6:43] <Torikun> lol
[6:43] <Tickle> Yahoo has the most annoying ads ever, they interupt the whole screen!
[6:43] <Torikun> i can;t find any on yahoo i tried them first
[6:44] <xiambax> The only thing yahoo is good for is Yahoo Finance
[6:44] <elek> as a yahoo developer, i find this offensive!
[6:44] <UnaClocker> I haven't surfed without adblock in like 6 years.
[6:44] <xiambax> :D
[6:44] <Tickle> Torikun are you look to put ads on a site?
[6:44] <Torikun> live jasmin has no ads
[6:44] <xiambax> Yahoo Developer?
[6:44] <Torikun> no Tickle
[6:44] <Torikun> I want to test adzapper plugin for squid
[6:44] <xiambax> What does yahoo develop?
[6:44] <elek> specifically, a developer on the ad serving platform ;\
[6:44] <Torikun> and see how good it removes ads
[6:45] <Tickle> I can throw some ads on a webpage real quick.
[6:45] <Torikun> for once in my life I want to see ads and can not find it
[6:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Torikun, usually youtube has a massive ad on top of the front page IIRC
[6:45] <xiambax> I dunno. I guess something is only big to you if you use it.
[6:45] <UnaClocker> I had to delete my 17 year old Yahoo account about a month ago.. Kept getting hacked, no matter how massive a password I used.. Tired of my friends/relatives getting spammed..
[6:45] <xiambax> Ive never heard someone say "Hey let me yahoo that"
[6:45] <Torikun> lol
[6:45] <elek> xiambax: quite a lot.. still big internationally
[6:45] <xiambax> In Japan?
[6:45] <Tickle> UnaClocker sounds like a local issue like a rootkit or keylogger.
[6:45] <Torikun> dam no ads on youtube either
[6:45] <xiambax> Everyone is big in Japan
[6:46] <UnaClocker> Every person I know that still has a Yahoo account has the same problem.
[6:46] <xiambax> Sorry. Im just bugging you now.
[6:46] <Tickle> I've had the same yahoo account for 15+ years and never been hacked.
[6:46] <Tickle> same password for six years lol
[6:46] <elek> no i think your sentiment is shared across the entire company, including the ceo. we need to make risky moves now
[6:47] <UnaClocker> My gmail account never gets hacked. Done with yahoo.
[6:47] <xiambax> Me either but that could be because I never use my yahoo account
[6:47] <ShiftPlusOne> xiambax, I think that's because google was the first search engine to be verbed up like that. Yahoo was very popular a while back. You probably haven't heard anyone say "let me altavista that" either, for example.
[6:47] <Torikun> omg I have adblock installed
[6:47] <Torikun> that is probably why
[6:47] <Tickle> :)
[6:47] <xiambax> Wait lemme ask beeves
[6:47] <xiambax> s/ geeves
[6:47] <Tickle> ask jeeves
[6:47] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it was with aj, yes
[6:47] <xiambax> ya thats it
[6:47] <piney_> i didn't know people still use yahoo. thought that went away like myspace did
[6:47] <UnaClocker> webcrawler.com What I used before Yahoo.. ;)
[6:47] <Torikun> ty
[6:47] <Tickle> that site was, IMO, better than Google for a good while.
[6:48] <Tickle> Ask Jeeves that is
[6:48] <tonsit> i used yahoo to search for my own tripod page ;)
[6:48] <UnaClocker> piney_: It did, exactly like myspace.
[6:48] <ShiftPlusOne> heh... tripod and geocities pages
[6:48] <elek> yahoo news and finance, flickr.. we got a few good things ;\
[6:48] <Tickle> Myspace is actually redesigning itself.
[6:48] <UnaClocker> So is digg.. hahaha..
[6:48] * xiambax is now known as systemx
[6:48] <ShiftPlusOne> a bit late
[6:49] <ShiftPlusOne> can't be reactive in that industry
[6:49] <Tickle> I remember when Flickr was bought my Yahoo.
[6:49] <tonsit> microsoft is still around
[6:49] <UnaClocker> tonsit: Barely.
[6:49] <tonsit> heh
[6:49] <UnaClocker> If MS didn;'t have the XBox, they'd be done.
[6:49] <ShiftPlusOne> ms will probably always be around in one form or another
[6:49] <tonsit> but halo is the only game worth owning
[6:50] <piney_> ms office keeps em around IMO
[6:50] <Tickle> If they didn't have MS Office they'd be gone
[6:50] <UnaClocker> tonsit: I prefer Forza
[6:50] <Xark> UnaClocker: Heh, Xbox division lost money this year...
[6:50] <tonsit> i install internet explorer on my android devices
[6:50] <ShiftPlusOne> actually, IIRC their server software is their biggest income source.
[6:50] <Tickle> Forza 4 was so much better than Horizon.
[6:50] <UnaClocker> Xark: Probably embezzled by the Windows division.. How can you lose money when you keep selling the same machine to the same people over and over, and then charge a monthly fee to use the thing....
[6:51] <tonsit> are we talking about my cable tv box? cause i hate that thing
[6:51] <Xark> UnaClocker: Well, they are probably investing in 720 or whatever too...
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[6:51] <tonsit> or maybe my phone
[6:51] <tonsit> brb
[6:51] <Tickle> For the longest time Sony LOST money on every Playstation 3 they sold, a large percentage of income for Consoles is kickbacks from developer's games.
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[6:52] <UnaClocker> hehe, cable TV.. I remember when I used to have that.. Back when I had a landline phone too..
[6:52] <Xark> Tickle: Yeah, that is kind of normal (but Sony did lose a lot at first).
[6:52] <UnaClocker> Tickle: Yeah, there are a lot of ways they make money.. I don't buy that they're not making a killing.
[6:52] * systemx is now known as xiambax
[6:53] <Xark> Tickle: Still, I think the PS3 had a "payback" of like 5 games (which is not too uncommon in the life of a system).
[6:53] <Xark> Tickle: Probably less now.
[6:53] <Tickle> Sony tried to fix it by creating a cheaper Playstation 3, they are litterally terrible machines, cheaply made.
[6:53] <xiambax> Im on a mission to see how long i have been a free node user
[6:54] <Tickle> Is there a limit?
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[6:54] <UnaClocker> MS was brilliant when they came out with their SmartGlass app for ALL phones/tablets (except the blackberries).. Totally took the WiiU's only unique feature and made it obsolete..
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[6:54] <Xark> Tickle: The newest version does indeed seem crap (top loader?, come on). However, the Slim wasn't too bad (and those were much cheaper for Sony than the original ones - with PS2 chips etc.).
[6:55] <Tickle> I have one of the last surviving backwards compatiable PS3s.
[6:55] <UnaClocker> Didn't realize there was something newer than the slim ps3..
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[6:56] <Tickle> But I sold most of my PS2 games, they didn't render as well on the 3 though.
[6:56] <Xark> UnaClocker: Yep -> http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/09/18/tgs-2012-smaller-lighter-ps3-model-unveiled/
[6:56] <swart> so it wasn't a ps4 after all?
[6:56] <swart> these guys are going to be devoured
[6:56] <Tickle> I remember when I got my Playstation 1, then got a Playstation 2, then a 3.
[6:57] <Xark> swart: Huh? No, this was last year, not next month. :)
[6:57] <swart> not that a ps4 would have saved them
[6:57] <swart> ah
[6:57] <UnaClocker> Yeah, they're going the way of Nintendo.. sit on their butts and get passed up..
[6:57] <UnaClocker> I hear the corporate environment inside of Sony is pretty bad nowadays..
[6:57] <swart> announcemnt is next month? I thought it was any day now
[6:57] <xiambax> :( I can't recover my old user account
[6:57] <xiambax> Shame,
[6:57] <Tickle> Its like Feb 20th
[6:57] <swart> I used to like Sony a lot
[6:57] <xiambax> I have been a free node user for 10 years or so
[6:58] <UnaClocker> I used to like Sega a lot..
[6:58] <swart> heh
[6:58] * Xark is not a fan of clunky "sliding top load" PS3 -> http://www.explosion.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/super-slim-ps3-pictures-gamescom-2012-01-600x415.jpg?cda6c1
[6:58] <xiambax> Gamegear was the bomb!
[6:58] <UnaClocker> I still think Microsoft paid them to get out of the market.
[6:58] <xiambax> Full colour, could play it in the dark
[6:58] <UnaClocker> ;)
[6:58] <xiambax> Gameboy took years to catch up
[6:58] <Tickle> The Playstation 2 was such a HUGE success that they were still making games for the 2 five years into the Playstation 3 life span.
[6:58] <swart> soon living rooms across the planet will be filled with raspi mame consoles
[6:58] <xiambax> Remember when we usta blast lasers into our eyes!
[6:58] <xiambax> Virtualboys were rad
[6:59] <ParkerR> My Xbox 1 and PS2 are my favorite consoles
[6:59] <piney_> I had a sega saturn, i think there were like 30 games made for that thing. last console i owned
[6:59] <UnaClocker> xiambax: Was that the 3d red laser one that was bad on the eyes? I played that a couple times.
[6:59] <ngc0202> My PC is my favourite console
[6:59] <Tickle> I had a Green Gameboy Color, that was amazing to me!
[6:59] <UnaClocker> I still have a working XBox1.. :)
[7:00] <ParkerR> ngc0202, That too
[7:00] <Tickle> The only thing i remember about the Xbox 1 was the horrible black/green UI, it game me a headache to look away from it in a bright room.
[7:00] <ngc0202> :)
[7:00] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Softmodded with an 80gb drive and XBMC as the launcher
[7:00] <UnaClocker> Yup.. :)
[7:00] <ParkerR> All is good
[7:00] <xiambax> UnaClocker: Yeah it was boss, I was so pissed when my parents took it away
[7:00] <xiambax> northlane36
[7:01] <xiambax> whoos
[7:01] <xiambax> whoops
[7:01] <UnaClocker> My kids used it for years to play movies.. Finally moved to an AppleTV.. Now they have a Pi..
[7:01] <ngc0202> hehe
[7:01] <UnaClocker> Never give kids optical media.
[7:01] <Tickle> Ahahaha
[7:01] <UnaClocker> Might as well throw it away.
[7:02] <Xark> UnaClocker: I have some DVDs that would make good sanding discs...
[7:02] <UnaClocker> Also got a Softmodded Wii with a 1TB USB hard drive plugged into it..
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[7:02] <Tickle> I remember shattering a CD ROM and having to pull pieces out of my hand.
[7:02] <ParkerR> I ONLY use the Wii for homebrew
[7:03] <Tickle> or Netflix
[7:03] <ParkerR> Only thing its good for
[7:03] <UnaClocker> eh, Pi is better at homebrew than the Wii.. heh..
[7:03] <ParkerR> Excitebots is the one Wii game I have and like
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[7:04] <ParkerR> Well and obv Wii sports. They bundle that XD
[7:04] <Tickle> I use my Wii controllers with my Android, and the balance board as a midi pad.
[7:04] <UnaClocker> I lost 40 pounds last year with the Wii Fit logging it.. :)
[7:04] <UnaClocker> Makes a nice graph.. :)
[7:05] <ParkerR> Pi: Browsing at the speed of slug
[7:06] <Tickle> How do I add LX Terminal to the bottom Panel?
[7:06] <ParkerR> If there is one thing I wish the Pi did better is chromium and javascript
[7:06] <UnaClocker> Yeah.. Iceweasel has been the best browsing experience on the Pi for me, but it still sucks..
[7:06] <UnaClocker> Yeah, better chromium and YouTube.
[7:07] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Naah no need for better youtube. Can already do that in command line and have 1080p playback
[7:07] <ParkerR> :)
[7:07] <UnaClocker> I don't want it in the command line, I want it in the browser like a civilized person.
[7:07] <ParkerR> <3 omxplayer
[7:08] <Tickle> Raspberry Pi: A command line with a nice logo behind it!
[7:08] <ParkerR> https://github.com/rjw57/yt
[7:08] <ParkerR> For an ncurses youtube browser
[7:09] <UnaClocker> ncurses.. That's what I'd be doing, cursing...
[7:09] <pronto> pie
[7:09] <swart> what do you guys expect for $35?
[7:10] <ParkerR> Exactly what I expected
[7:10] <swart> come back in 20 years and I'm sure it will be better :)
[7:10] <ParkerR> Does everything I want it to do and more
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[7:10] <Tickle> I'd imagine in 20 years, YouTube won't be around, least not in the sense it is now.
[7:11] <UnaClocker> I made quite a bit of money off my YouTube channel last year.. Had an impact on my tax return.. ;)
[7:11] <swart> I was around 20 years ago, and even though it wasn't actually that long ago, I still couldn't have predicted what we have now
[7:11] <swart> otherwise my stock portfolio would be doing much better :)
[7:11] <UnaClocker> Yeah, 20 years ago I was writing doorgames for BBS's..
[7:12] <Tickle> Just think, 10 years ago no one knew what an iPhone was...
[7:12] <swart> if someone said to me 20 years ago "Apple is going to kick microsoft's ass" I would have laughed in their face
[7:12] <ParkerR> swart, I still laugh
[7:12] <Tickle> You mean those see through pannel computers?!
[7:12] <swart> hah
[7:12] <ParkerR> :P
[7:12] <UnaClocker> hehe, yeah, they were "Macintrash"... Now it's all I run...
[7:12] <tonsit> yeah, and next we'll all be able to talk to our cell phones or unlock them by looking at them
[7:12] <UnaClocker> Aside from the Pi that runs Linux.
[7:12] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, nooooooo
[7:13] <swart> and linux 20 years ago? you were lucky to have a command line :)
[7:13] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, And I had respect for you
[7:13] <ParkerR> :P
[7:13] <UnaClocker> heh, at some point you get fed up getting virii and trojans and say screw it, I'm done with Windows.
[7:13] <Tickle> A friend of mine still has a working Apple II
[7:13] <swart> I just gave up trying to make windows act like a reasonable OS
[7:13] <ParkerR> Umm dude. I've ran without UAC and just MSE and have been fine
[7:14] <ParkerR> Firewall is even off
[7:14] <UnaClocker> Great, I haven't.
[7:14] <swart> like, please can I have symlinks?
[7:14] <ParkerR> swart, It has symlinks...
[7:14] <tonsit> you can in the recovery console swart, dunno anywhere else
[7:14] <Tickle> MSE is amazing, compared to Norton which is a virus in itself.
[7:14] <swart> ParkerR: really?
[7:14] <tonsit> i moved users and program files to my secondary drive, created sym links and install to c:\ like its really there
[7:14] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I can't imagine using dropbox the way I do without symlinks..
[7:15] <UnaClocker> Still aggravates me that I can't sync my dropbox with my Pi..
[7:15] <swart> how do you create a symbolic link in windows?
[7:15] <UnaClocker> Windows doesn't even come with ssh.. haha..
[7:15] <elek> swart, mklink
[7:15] <Tickle> I don't like Dropbox, they can get into anything you put on their servers, not sure I trust them. SpiderOak is the way to go!
[7:16] <swart> elek: no kidding. wow
[7:16] <Tickle> UnaClocker: I know, I hate that!
[7:16] <Torikun> mega!
[7:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Or don't store anything you're worried about people getting into online =/
[7:16] <elek> UnaClocker: not sure how that defines an OS
[7:16] <tonsit> they call them junction points
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[7:17] <ParkerR> Dem layers http://i.minus.com/iNhR2h9eZRadm.jpg
[7:18] <Tickle> Does anyone have the clear RPi case that Element 14 sells? I almost broke it trying to get it open.
[7:18] <swart> ParkerR and elek: can you guys tell me how to get rid of drive letters too? :)
[7:18] <tonsit> tickle: operator error or poor design
[7:19] <ParkerR> swart, Um
[7:19] <ParkerR> :P
[7:19] <tonsit> swart, to swap them or do you want mount points?
[7:19] <elek> you can hide them..
[7:19] <Tickle> Poor design, it has four little clips on each side, you have to take the front two out, rotate the case without snapping them back in, it's just terrible to get open because it is so snug.
[7:19] <swart> actually I think the symlinks are dangerous enough :)
[7:20] <xiambax> pebkac error
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[7:23] <Tickle> All these post about clustering RPi. I don't think the benefits outweigh the cost, it's still cool though.
[7:23] <Xark> swart: Make sure you don't make circular junction links under Windows. Always a bad idea under any OS, but the tools don't die very gracefully on windows IME. :) Had to diagnose this for a coworker (Explorer mysteriously would hang etc.)
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[7:24] <Xark> Tickle: More of a way to experiment and learn about "real" supercomputer design and architecture without buying a bunch of expensive boxes than a way to get on any supercomputer "top" list I believe. :)
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[7:24] <UnaClocker> They still lack a way of utilizing the GPU in the clusters.. And that's where the real power lies..
[7:25] <Tickle> Yeah it's still cool, a friend said he was gonig to do a Beowulf cluster.
[7:25] <Xark> UnaClocker: If they were going for "real power". I suppose they could use OpenGL ES shaders for some tasks (but it would be a PITA vs a nice OpenCL etc.).
[7:25] <swart> Xark: thanks. I have a corporate IT disk partition policy that needs tweaking. hopefully I don't need to do anything too crazy
[7:26] <Tickle> I've got to run, have fun.
[7:26] <Xark> swart: There may be a tool in newer Windows, but I have always just used this which has worked since Win2K I believe -> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896768.aspx
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[7:28] <Xark> swart: Very handy to solve certain issues in Windows (I needed it recently to add a D:\Program Files for stupid apps that couldn't grok user directory on D:). :)
[7:28] <swart> Xark: thanks again. did't realize they wanted you to buy a separate product to create directory links. wtf
[7:29] <tonsit> http://code.google.com/p/symlinker/ if you're looking for open source
[7:29] <Xark> tonsit: Thanks
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[7:30] <tonsit> personally i use command line hehe
[7:30] <swart> tonsit: all I need is a package manager for windows :)
[7:30] <tonsit> for installing software?
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[7:30] <Xark> tonsit: The MS one is command line at least (but it pops up a EULA window once, so I'll try the open source). :)
[7:32] <tonsit> i dont know any package managers for windows that actually work well with windows
[7:32] <tonsit> lol
[7:32] <tonsit> system mechanic for windows 95 maybe ;)
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[7:35] <tonsit> after extensive googling, the best answer for package manager on windows is, install linux
[7:35] <xiambax> Who was the person using the command line pandora client earlier
[7:35] <UnaClocker> I do that all the time.
[7:35] <ParkerR> xiambaxme
[7:36] <ParkerR> xiambax me
[7:36] <ParkerR> In the screenshot
[7:36] <xiambax> ParkerR: How can you force it to prefer ipv6?
[7:36] <xiambax> I have american ipv6 addressing
[7:36] <xiambax> Canadian ipv4
[7:36] <ParkerR> xiambax assuming I have ipv6 :P
[7:36] <ParkerR> I have no clue
[7:36] <xiambax> what was it called again
[7:37] <ParkerR> pianobar
[7:37] <tonsit> swart: if you want to build your own install packages that play well with windows add/remove programs, check out http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php
[7:37] * xiambax hearts MacPorts
[7:37] <ParkerR> xiambax if you get a tls error when trying to login dont fret
[7:37] <ParkerR> There is a solution
[7:38] <tonsit> i used it for an addon pack i sent out
[7:38] <xiambax> I don't have an account for can i access pandora from canada
[7:38] <ParkerR> Ahh
[7:39] <swart> xiambax: you can always set up a proxy on aws. expensive though
[7:39] <xiambax> aws?
[7:39] <swart> amazon
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[7:39] <swart> or some other hosting service
[7:39] <xiambax> :O
[7:39] <xiambax> Do tell
[7:39] <swart> there are a number of proxy services you can pay for
[7:40] <swart> there'a actually one in canada for about $8 a month
[7:40] * xiambax is cheap
[7:40] <swart> was thinking of getting one so I can get my cbc stuff
[7:40] <xiambax> id rather pay for a subscription to RDIO for that price
[7:40] <tonsit> google 'free us proxy'
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[7:40] <swart> you always pay somehow
[7:40] <tonsit> heh
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[7:41] <swart> I cancelled my cable - saving about $85 a month. spending about 3x that because I'm not wasting so much time watching tv anymore :)
[7:42] <swart> but I'd much rather digikey adafruit and sparkfun have my money than comcast
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[7:43] <ParkerR> amazon and teefury for me
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[7:43] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I haven't had cable TV in years.. Just the internet is already more money per month than I want to spend, but it's a neccessity..
[7:44] <tonsit> pray that fios opens in your area, i finally have comcast giving me better pricing
[7:44] <swart> fios is dead
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[7:44] <tonsit> its pretty popular in the dc area
[7:44] <swart> verizon stopped new rollouts last year
[7:44] <tonsit> i lucked out then, we got notice in december
[7:44] <swart> I have a friend in baltimore who loves it, but it's not available in the bay area
[7:45] <tonsit> i called comcast and got upgraded
[7:45] <piney_> verizon is waiting on federal grants to roll out more fios. anywhere it was profitable to put fios, they did
[7:45] <swart> my comcast internet service is pretty good. as long as my kid isn't downloading new games :)
[7:45] <tonsit> i may still switch, comcast hasn't given me any new speeds
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[7:45] <tonsit> so the 'upgrade' was for naught
[7:46] <swart> fios would be fantastic. it's the first thing I looked for when I moved here
[7:47] <tonsit> i've only had it for one year a few years back, its pretty crazy how fast the upload speeds can be
[7:47] <tonsit> and in my experience it was stable
[7:47] <swart> but I spend too much time online anyhow. better to be in the garage building stuff
[7:47] <tonsit> hehe
[7:47] <tonsit> what are you building?
[7:48] <tonsit> robots controlled by pi!
[7:48] <swart> I've got a few things in mind
[7:48] <piney_> i'm real rural(for where i live), im glad i can get dsl here. no cable lines on the poles even out here
[7:48] <swart> stuff like that
[7:48] <tonsit> thats what i want to build anyway
[7:48] <swart> I want to make a mame console
[7:48] <swart> also arduino clock-like gadgets
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[7:48] <tonsit> oh ouch piney, i can't leave the city cause i need my internet fix
[7:48] <swart> and robots, but that's more for my son's FIRST club
[7:48] <tonsit> or the suburbs
[7:49] <tonsit> i had a lego robot kit that hooked up to apple II's
[7:49] <piney_> my dsl is very reliable, and I have a VPS for high bandwidth stuff/serving when i need
[7:49] <tonsit> it had a light sensor too
[7:49] <swart> lego's great
[7:49] <swart> arduino is fantastic too
[7:50] <tonsit> ^
[7:50] <tonsit> i'm new to this, i dunno how i missed it all
[7:50] <tonsit> the arduino platform i mean
[7:50] <swart> pi is too powerful. I can't keep track of the applications
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[7:50] <tonsit> heh
[7:50] <swart> arduino is very easy to add sensors and stuff
[7:50] <swart> much more forgiving than pi
[7:50] <tonsit> i'm excited
[7:51] <swart> gpio on pi is pretty advanced. you can fry things easily if you don't know what you're doing
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[7:52] <swart> I've already destroyed two pi cobblers because I'm so incompetent at soldering
[7:52] <tonsit> hehe
[7:52] <piney_> i think i prefer the ti msp430 over arduino, but i barely have experience with either product yet.
[7:52] <tonsit> its more of an art
[7:52] <swart> that's even before I hooked up the volts :)
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[7:52] <tonsit> soldering i mean, i suck at it too
[7:52] <tonsit> i was trianed by teh military and never got the hang of it
[7:52] <swart> the IDE for arduino is very nice. great for beginners
[7:53] <piney_> are you using thin diameter solder? that helps for me
[7:53] <tonsit> i have shaky hands and not enough clamps i think
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[7:53] <piney_> i have very shaky hands too
[7:53] <swart> yeah I think so, but my problem was shaky hands too
[7:53] <piney_> if i have to stay still, i can't lol
[7:54] <tonsit> heh
[7:54] <swart> also I lost my bulb. $2 part and I'm too cheap to buy a new one because I know it's around here somewhere :)
[7:54] <swart> so gooping way too much solder all over things that shouldn't have solder on them :)
[7:54] <tonsit> lol
[7:55] <tonsit> then trying to fix that and just destroying the board
[7:55] <swart> also I managed to solder a header to the wrong side of the pcb. wtf
[7:55] <tonsit> or at least that would be my next step
[7:55] <swart> at least it was nicely soldered to the wrong place :)
[7:55] <tonsit> haha
[7:55] <piney_> if you don't have any, get some solder wick, it helps
[7:55] <ngc0202> How fragile are the pis?
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[7:55] <Xark> swart: That is all to easy to do...like misspelling a huge sign you paint (with nice neat letters). :)
[7:56] <Xark> too*
[7:56] <JakeSays> so iirc one of the ribbon connectors on the pi is for a touch screen.. has anyone tried using it?
[7:57] <JakeSays> swart: lol i've done that with a header before
[7:57] <piney_> JakeSays, it's for a touch screen that the Raspberry Pi Foundation plans on releasing in the future.
[7:57] <swart> once it's on, it's not coming off :)
[7:57] <Xark> swart: Hope you have solder wick... :)
[7:58] <swart> I should get a desoldering thing
[7:58] <piney_> I don't think that the software for that port is even in the firmware yet to use it. (I could be wrong there)
[7:58] <ngc0202> Are the RPis good at being dropped and not broken?
[7:58] <swart> ngc0202: best not to drop it
[7:58] <ngc0202> but would it break?
[7:58] <swart> it's fragile electronics
[7:58] <piney_> ngc0202, I wouldn't want to try it
[7:58] <JakeSays> piney_: but its a standard connector though, right?
[7:58] <ngc0202> ok
[7:59] <ngc0202> It already fell once
[7:59] <swart> ngc0202: maybe. depends what you drop it on and from how high
[7:59] <Xark> swart: In a pinch, you can try some thick stranded copper wire like stripped AC cord as a wick.
[7:59] <ngc0202> But it landed on a bag thankfully
[7:59] <piney_> JakeSays, yes. I'm not sure if the pinout is standard, but the connector is
[7:59] <swart> Xark: yeah I was thinking of trying something like that. but it was faster just to go online and order a second one :)
[7:59] <JakeSays> i have several old phones. i'm wondering if any of their screens would work
[8:00] <piney_> JakeSays, they are releasing a camera module for the other port real soon (sent to manufacturers already) so, they should start working on it soon (soon being relative)
[8:00] <swart> I successfully built a power supply the other day, so there is still hope
[8:00] <Xark> swart: That works well too. :)
[8:01] <JakeSays> piney_: yeah i'm not too interested in the camera
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[8:12] <steve_rox> the lil cam addon seems interesting?
[8:12] <piney_> I think so
[8:13] <piney_> would be nice if it could handle IR
[8:13] <steve_rox> would have to remove filter
[8:13] <steve_rox> if posible
[8:13] <piney_> and that cant be removed
[8:13] <steve_rox> are you sure?
[8:14] <piney_> thats the general consensus of what people are saying on the forum
[8:14] <steve_rox> lot of cams can be taken apart to remove filters
[8:14] <steve_rox> may be too early to declare it a loss?
[8:16] <steve_rox> if it can be removed things like night vision could be made
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[8:19] <piney_> steve_rox, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=24633
[8:20] <piney_> liz mentions that it's likely a coating rather than a filter. i read that elsewhere too, but cant find that link
[8:21] <steve_rox> oh so maybe some dodgy chemical could desolve it off
[8:22] <tonsit> scratch it off!
[8:22] <tonsit> something sharp should do it
[8:22] <piney_> maybe solder on a different camera, where i can change the lens too
[8:23] <steve_rox> scratching it would be bad
[8:23] <tonsit> ;)
[8:23] <steve_rox> :-P
[8:23] <piney_> buff it out
[8:23] <ngc0202> Yeah, go with the acid
[8:25] <steve_rox> fun
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[8:44] <ParkerR> :/
[8:45] <ParkerR> Another thing that doesnt work with open wifi networks
[8:45] <ParkerR> Berryboot installer
[8:45] <ParkerR> Why are things expecting WPA now? Seems stupid
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[8:46] <ParkerR> I want my network open and I want things to respect that
[8:46] <tonsit> no option to force it open?
[8:46] <tonsit> damn
[8:46] <tonsit> er, pardon that
[8:47] <ParkerR> tonsit, Berryboot comes up with a network list and a field for WPA password. I left it blank and it errors out
[8:47] <ParkerR> Set a password and it works
[8:47] <tonsit> so any password with no WPA, is ok?
[8:47] <tonsit> nvm
[8:47] <tonsit> gotcha
[8:48] <ParkerR> tonsit, I set a WPA password on thre router
[8:48] <tonsit> yeah, i got ya
[8:48] <ParkerR> Just so berryboot would work
[8:48] <tonsit> i wasn't asking for clarification, i was surprised it wasn't an option
[8:48] <tonsit> ;)
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[8:49] <ParkerR> Same with Raspbmc
[8:49] <ParkerR> Errors out if you try to connect to an open nettwork
[8:49] <ParkerR> Works is using encryption
[8:49] <ParkerR> *if
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[9:42] <Iota> Should I renew the raspberryip.com/.org domains?
[9:42] <piney_> cool domain
[9:45] <Joeboy> Doesn't look like you're doing much with them
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[9:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Iota, I think only you would know the answer to that question.
[9:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Though I suppose you could use them for a dyslexic raspberry pi user group.
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[9:56] <Iota> Haha.
[9:56] <Iota> I was going to start using it for a little project. But then gave up, so put it on freedns for free subdomains.
[9:57] <Iota> There are about 20-30 people using it. I'd feel guilty not renewing it for them to use.
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[10:38] <apo> heh
[10:39] <Iota> :o
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[10:48] <apo> I could add vinyl-scrat.ch, but effort :P
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[10:49] <pecorade> Hi.
[10:51] <Iota> Hey.
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[11:12] <gordonDrogon> morning Pi Peeps.
[11:13] <zeBeard> mornin'
[11:14] <Joeboy> Morning
[11:14] <ivotkl> Morning. 09
[11:14] <ivotkl> *=)
[11:15] * Joeboy is bored of trying to make hardware work. I want to write code :-(
[11:15] <ivotkl> Do I just close the window to log out ?
[11:15] <Joeboy> of irc? yeah, that'll do it
[11:15] <ivotkl> Alright, I'm going back home. See you. =D
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[11:17] <zeBeard> So, whatsup? ^__^
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> The sky...
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> although all I see here is cloud.
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> Low cloud at that: http://www.dartcom.co.uk/dartcam/index.php
[11:18] <Joeboy> Nice
[11:19] <zeBeard> seems nice idd
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[11:19] <Joeboy> http://services.edp24.co.uk/norfolk/webcam/image.jpg?1019
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[11:20] <Joeboy> That seems to be a shot from an hour in the future
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> well, maybe that's norfolk for you :)
[11:25] <Joeboy> Yes, famously forward looking and ahead of the crowd
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[11:59] <ParkerR> Hexxeh, Ping
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[12:01] <isasha> Yo raspians, any ideas why the GUI won't start?
[12:02] <zeBeard> Which gui are we talking about?
[12:02] <isasha> well, the main one
[12:02] <zeBeard> When did it stop working?
[12:03] <zeBeard> What did you do, I mean ^^
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[12:03] <isasha> I dunno
[12:03] <isasha> :P
[12:03] <zeBeard> Installed anything, upgrades?
[12:03] <isasha> I was trying to set up the airplay thing, whilst downloading things from my FTP server
[12:04] <isasha> and then all of a sudden SSH froze
[12:04] <isasha> and when I turned on the raspi's screen, it was all frozen
[12:04] <zeBeard> you're not even getting a shell on the pi ?
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[12:06] <isasha> no, I'm getting in
[12:06] <leechbook> what output does startx give
[12:07] <isasha> yeah tried that
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[12:07] <isasha> it says like no protocol specified
[12:09] <gladier> try renaming your ~/.Xauthority
[12:09] <zeBeard> seems other people having problem with their Xauthority
[12:09] <zeBeard> oh, nvm
[12:09] <leechbook> what 's the output from df -h
[12:10] <isasha> it's still running that no protocol specified, won't respond to ctrl + c
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[12:12] <zeBeard> tried renaming the ~/.Xauthority then reboot ?
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[12:12] <isasha> um how?
[12:13] <leechbook> mv ~/.Xauthority ~/.Xauthority.old; reboot
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[12:14] <isasha> no sudo?
[12:14] <leechbook> I thought the pi user was in the shutdown group
[12:14] <leechbook> if not, you'll need sudo for the reboot command
[12:15] <isasha> indeed
[12:15] <isasha> it's so nice being able to control something that's on your desk from your bed
[12:15] <leechbook> truly, we live in the future
[12:15] <isasha> just as it is nice to have an old android phone duck taped to your window so that you don't have to get up to check the weather
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[12:17] <zeBeard> leechbook: we live in the present o.o
[12:17] <isasha> Ok, still nothing
[12:18] <leechbook> zeBeard: /you/ might
[12:18] * zeBeard gasps
[12:18] <leechbook> OK, Xauthority was a bit of a shot in the dark
[12:18] <leechbook> restore it
[12:18] <isasha> what like re-install raspian?
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[12:18] <leechbook> no, like rename it back to .Xauthority
[12:19] <leechbook> mv ~/.Xauthority.old ~/.Xauthority
[12:19] <zeBeard> Nextstep... Would reinstalling the xserver be a bad idea?
[12:19] <leechbook> google she say that this sort of thing can be caused by a full partition
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[12:19] <leechbook> so let's see the output from df -h
[12:20] <isasha> ah
[12:20] <isasha> That may be the problem
[12:20] <zeBeard> "downloading from the ftp server"
[12:20] <zeBeard> heh
[12:20] <isasha> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[12:20] <isasha> rootfs 1.8G 1.8G 0 100% /
[12:20] <isasha> devtmpfs 93M 0 93M 0% /dev
[12:20] <isasha> tmpfs 19M 220K 19M 2% /run
[12:20] <isasha> tmpfs 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock
[12:20] <isasha> tmpfs 37M 0 37M 0% /run/shm
[12:20] <isasha> tmpfs 37M 0 37M 0% /tmp
[12:20] <leechbook> haha
[12:21] <leechbook> that'll be the one then
[12:21] <isasha> yes but that is strange however, because I have an 8gb card
[12:21] <leechbook> ah, easy fix then
[12:21] <zeBeard> the resize tool in the .. ehm, raspi-config (?)
[12:21] <isasha> and how do I get to that?
[12:22] <zeBeard> just type raspi-config ! =)
[12:22] <leechbook> the raspbian image assumes you've got a 2gb card, so when you put it on your card it creates a ~2gb partition
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[12:22] <isasha> pffft....
[12:22] <leechbook> 6gb is currently empty unpartitioned space
[12:22] <isasha> whoa
[12:22] <isasha> a gui in shell?
[12:22] <leechbook> ncurses
[12:22] <leechbook> it is deep magic
[12:23] <isasha> So I expand root fs?
[12:23] <mjr> yes
[12:23] <leechbook> yup
[12:23] <gladier> <3 ncurses
[12:23] <mjr> it'll need a reboot, then it's filled
[12:23] <zeBeard> and once again, magic saves the day
[12:23] <isasha> there was an error....
[12:23] <zeBeard> what does it say?
[12:24] <isasha> There was an error
[12:24] <isasha> running do_expan_rootfs
[12:24] <isasha> *expand
[12:24] <leechbook> you ran it as superuser, right?
[12:24] <zeBeard> sudo raspi-config
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[12:25] <isasha> yeah
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[12:26] <isasha> man, wtf is taking so much space?
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[12:27] <leechbook> according to df, nothing
[12:27] <leechbook> only 2gb accounted for
[12:27] <isasha> I know
[12:27] <zeBeard> the expand script might need some space for temp files
[12:27] <isasha> but I've been downloading ftp to an external hdd
[12:28] <mjr> zeBeard, that's certainly a possibility
[12:28] <isasha> are there any temp files that i can delete?
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[12:28] <mjr> so yeah, try to free up some space and try again
[12:28] <isasha> how :) ?
[12:28] <leechbook> you can also resize using gparted on another machine with an SD card reader
[12:28] <zeBeard> do you have any files you can just delete? =)
[12:29] <isasha> well I didn't directly download anything onto the raspi
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[12:29] <isasha> only programs and stuff
[12:29] <leechbook> have a look in /tmp - your ftp program may cache parts there
[12:29] <isasha> Hmmm interesting
[12:29] <isasha> I do ls to list everything, right?
[12:30] <zeBeard> ls -a
[12:30] <zeBeard> to list Everything
[12:30] <isasha> there are 2 folders
[12:30] <isasha> one is empty
[12:31] <isasha> and so is the other one
[12:31] <isasha> can I delete python-games?
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[12:33] <zeBeard> I would say yes, you can
[12:33] <mjr> did the pi log on the card? is there stuff in /var/log that you might toss?
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[12:36] <isasha> is there a windirstat type thing in linux?
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[12:37] <ShiftPlusOne> xdiskusage
[12:37] <ShiftPlusOne> not as pretty, but does the same thing
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[12:39] <isasha> apparently doesn't exist
[12:40] <leechbook> could use find and du to get big files
[12:41] <isasha> meh I'll just whip out gparted
[12:41] <leechbook> that's the easy way for sure
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[12:55] <isasha> yo which file can I edit to use the full partition?
[12:55] <zeBeard> use gparted to edit the partition
[12:56] <zeBeard> as superuser
[12:56] <isasha> disk utility tells me that it's using it fully
[12:56] <zeBeard> try gparted
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[12:59] <isasha> yeah no I'm on mac
[12:59] <isasha> my ubuntu laptop doesn't recognize the sd card
[13:00] <ryanteck> is the SD card mounted on mac? not sure how they work
[13:00] <zeBeard> gparted runs on mac though
[13:01] <flowsnake> there's a gparted livecd too
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[13:01] <zeBeard> but at this point I would consider just redoing the rasbian and resize the first thing you do =P
[13:01] <ryanteck> are you not able to resize it later on?
[13:02] <mgottschlag> I thought raspi-config could always let the system resize the partition after a reboot
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[13:02] <ryanteck> I thought the same
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> you can resize at any time.
[13:03] <isasha> well lemme try again
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> don't need gparted, just some paper and a few commands - of let raspi-config do it for you.
[13:03] <ryanteck> I like gParted for editing on a PC the partitions
[13:03] <ryanteck> even though I normally crash it out somehow and end up reinstalling it
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/ <-- wrote that way back, but the section on expanding the root fs is still valid.
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[13:08] <isasha> Ok i need to settle this: is rtorrent better than transmission?
[13:09] <zeBeard> imo, yes
[13:09] <isasha> :D
[13:09] <isasha> great, now why isn't there an easy way to install it?
[13:10] <zeBeard> sudo apt-get install rtorrent ?
[13:10] <isasha> yeah tried that
[13:10] <isasha> also tried this: http://whattheserver.me/billing/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=38
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[14:47] <Davespice> folks, if anyone fancies some Open Arena death match - my mate and I are currently in a game, if anyone would like to join you're more than welcome
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[14:47] <Davespice> come over to #raspi-event
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[14:49] <Amadiro> aw, I wrote a cec client, but my TV doesn't support it.
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[14:59] <TomWij> Amadiro: Or your client doesn't work. Try the test client first.
[14:59] <martk100> Is the rt73 driver the correct driver for archlinux? It works ok on Debian.
[14:59] <Amadiro> TomWij, nah, the TV doesn't support it. I tested it with a friends TV, and it works.
[14:59] <Amadiro> If I scan for devices my TV doesn't show up.
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[14:59] <martk100> The device is a Belkin dongle
[15:00] <scummos> martk100: the correct driver for what? an rt73 chipset wireless card? then yes ;)
[15:00] <scummos> the kernel drivers are the same for all distros
[15:00] <Amadiro> martk100, if you boot debian and connect the device, you can run `lsmod` to figure out what driver is loaded for it.
[15:01] <martk100> scummos: Thanks. In that case. How do i make wlan0 connect to my dongle?
[15:01] <Amadiro> martk100, does it already show up as "wlan0"?
[15:01] <martk100> Amadiro: I have done that. The setup is identical.
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[15:03] <martk100> Amadiro: If i type ifconfig I see no wlan0. If I type iwconfig I see wlan0 I see wlano but no mac association.
[15:03] <Amadiro> martk100, "ifconfig -a"
[15:04] <martk100> Amadiro: I have not tried that. What does the a swith do?
[15:04] <scummos> martk100: if an interface called "wlan0" shows up at all, then the driver side is already done with.
[15:04] <Amadiro> show interfaces that are offline as well
[15:04] <Amadiro> ifconfig per default only shows online interfaces
[15:04] <scummos> martk100: then you just need to configure the connection properly
[15:04] <Amadiro> but as scummos said, the driver side is already fixed
[15:05] <scummos> also I think ifconfig shows all interfaces which are up -- that doesn't necessarily mean a connection is established
[15:05] <scummos> could also be a LAN card waiting for a cable
[15:05] <martk100> Amadiro: Is that in wpa_supplicant.conf or network.d interfaces?
[15:05] <Amadiro> yes, "online" in the sense of the interface being activated
[15:05] <scummos> martk100: afaik you can use either
[15:05] <scummos> Amadiro: yep ;)
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[15:06] <scummos> martk100: or, if you're up for easy configuration, use network manager which allows to use an abundanty of GUI tools
[15:06] <scummos> *abundance
[15:06] <scummos> (difficult word ;))
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[15:06] <martk100> scummos: I have tried wicd. But it i crashes the system.
[15:06] <scummos> haha
[15:07] <scummos> ok, did you try NetworkManager?
[15:07] <Amadiro> I have never really gotten wicd to work for me either. I'm just using wpa_supplicant manually.
[15:07] <scummos> a lot of people are very excited about wicd, but I personally... yeah
[15:07] <scummos> never really got it to work nicely either ;p
[15:08] <martk100> scummos I am not sure if NetworkManager is part of the arc setup. Not much is available in the repos.
[15:08] <scummos> martk100: i'm using network manager on arch, you just need to install it.
[15:09] <martk100> scummos: Thanks that helps. I will try this afternoon.
[15:09] <Amadiro> its really not that hard to just write a small wpa_supplicant config file either, though
[15:09] <scummos> yes
[15:09] <Amadiro> wpa_supplicant does most things automatically anyway, you just need to provide it with the network name and password, really
[15:09] <scummos> but there's much more things you can do wrong ;)
[15:09] <martk100> scummos: wpa_supplicant I find mind blowingly complex
[15:10] <PhotoJim> reading this is making me glad I use wire :)
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[15:10] <Amadiro> martk100, my wpa_supplicant config file: 'network={ssid="My Network Name" psk="my password"}'
[15:10] <scummos> martk100: it's not. you run wpa_passphrase ssid key > /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[15:11] <scummos> then you call wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[15:11] <Amadiro> works with my wpa2 encrypted network.
[15:11] <scummos> then you do dhcpd wlan0, and that's it
[15:12] <martk100> Amadiro: scummos: YOu have been very helpful. I have lots to try. Thanks.
[15:12] <Amadiro> Good luck
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[15:50] <isasha> BTW, I fixed my Raspi
[15:50] <isasha> I just rebooted and did that raspi-config thing
[15:50] <zeBeard> lol
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[16:12] <hsp> hi, has raspbian no git-core package? i cannot found this
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[16:18] <sweed> hi guys
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[16:20] <sweed> In your opinion what is the operating system for raspberry that offers better performance in terms of speed and stability?
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[16:21] <swart> sweed: if you ask a dozen people you'll get 12 different answers :)
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[16:22] <AHammar> sweed, that depends greatly upon what you want to do with the pi
[16:22] <swart> why not decide what performance metrics are important to you, and compare a bunch of distros?
[16:22] <swart> you could set up a wiki page and save someone hours of work :)
[16:22] <scummos> there's probably not going to be huge differences
[16:23] <scummos> except if your application needs the last 5% of peformance then I'd say it doesn't matter
[16:23] <swart> there are certain things you can do. for example, if you care about graphics performance, don't use X11 :)
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[16:23] <scummos> xD
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[16:29] <discorpia> if i use a usb-ttl converter, can i wire that to the gpio pins and setup a console on it, so that the usb/ttl converter becomes a serial device on the pc i can open a terminal connection to?
[16:31] <mjr> if it's spesifically an usb ttl _serial_ converter, yes
[16:32] <mjr> oh also check that it's spesifically 3.3V
[16:32] <discorpia> ah yeah, it has the ft232rl chip
[16:32] <sweed> I think to install arch
[16:32] <discorpia> ah, cool
[16:32] <mjr> the term TTL level is used for both 5V and 3.3V, and if it's 5V, it'll fry the pi
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[16:33] <discorpia> :D thanks for that heads up
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[16:34] <discorpia> oh, i just found this one; http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi/blog/2012/07/18/look-ma-no-display-using-the-raspberry-pi-serial-console
[16:36] <discorpia> mine is a 5v so i'll add a 4050, thanks
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> 2 resistors are good enough for 5v input to the Pi for a serial line....
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[16:39] <mjr> and theoretically the 3V3 signals from the Pi "should" be sufficient to be detectable by a 5V serial interface, YMMV
[16:39] <discorpia> aha, voltage divider? would 10k/15k work? (3v)
[16:39] <discorpia> ah valid point
[16:42] <mjr> sounds likely
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[16:43] <mjr> somebody was using 10k/18k
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[16:47] <Hopsy> how do I connect to a wifi router? I am running this line 'sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid <name of the router> key <password>'
[16:47] <Hopsy> is this wrong?
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[16:49] <scummos> this only works for WEP
[16:49] <Hopsy> ow
[16:49] <Hopsy> that concludes everytthing, and wpa?
[16:50] <scummos> for wpa you want to use wpa_supplicant
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[16:50] <scummos> if you want to do it from CLI, ask google, otherwise use networkmanager ;)
[16:50] <flufmnstr> Hopsy, if youre using the edimax http://www.raspberrypi-tutorials.co.uk/set-raspberry-pi-wireless-network/
[16:51] <Hopsy> yes edimax
[16:51] <flufmnstr> but ive gotten it to work better/more realiably doing startx and using the gui. after that itll auto connect to the same AP
[16:52] <Hopsy> flufmnstr: I know that site you gave me, my firefox crashed each time I visit it
[16:52] <Hopsy> weird
[16:52] <flufmnstr> awe, lame :-(
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[16:53] <flufmnstr> pastebin version ;) http://pastebin.com/z99k7g9M
[16:54] <Hopsy> ow haha, thanks I was visiting using chrome
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> I've used 3.3k and 2.2k ...
[17:01] <Hopsy> hmm, can I download this manually from somewhere as a file? 'apt-get install firmware-realtek'
[17:06] <flowsnake> you want to download the package?
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[17:07] <Hopsy> yeah but I already found http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek
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[17:08] <Hopsy> its working
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[17:37] <Nebukadneza> heho
[17:37] <pronto> http://pronto185.com/uas/potluck/fire_4.jpg fire! :D
[17:38] <Nebukadneza> hrhr
[17:38] <IT_Sean> FIRE BAD!
[17:38] <Nebukadneza> say, somehow after flashing the fresh image -> aptitude update -> aptitude full-upgrade ( http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?699 ), rbpi-config and rpi-update are missing oO
[17:40] <nid0> raspi-config doesnt do anything?
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[17:41] <Nebukadneza> its not there
[17:41] <Nebukadneza> find / -name raspi-config ... no results
[17:41] <Nebukadneza> same for rpi-update oO
[17:41] <nid0> had you previously installed rpi-update?
[17:41] <nid0> because it isnt there by default on raspbian
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[17:41] <Nebukadneza> but raspi-config should be there, right?
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[17:42] <nid0> assuming you installed the standard raspbian image from the foundation's download page yes
[17:42] <Nebukadneza> yes, i did that
[17:43] <Nebukadneza> mh
[17:43] <Nebukadneza> the package is listed as installed, but dpkg -L raspi-config lists no files
[17:43] <Nebukadneza> *aptitude reinstall*
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[18:31] <Torikun> oi
[18:31] <zeBeard> yo
[18:32] <pronto> hi
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[18:33] <Torikun> what going on
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[18:36] <|Jeroen|> nothing
[18:36] <Nebukadneza> woohooo
[18:36] <Nebukadneza> turbo mode -> aptitude -> segfault
[18:36] <Nebukadneza> :P
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[18:39] <Ryanteck_> Hello
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[18:44] <Torikun> overclocking can lead to corruption
[18:44] * Torikun was a victim
[18:44] <Nebukadneza> hehe
[18:44] <Nebukadneza> i'm okay with segfaults
[18:44] <Nebukadneza> silent corruption is whats nasty
[18:44] <Torikun> I was referring to FS corruption
[18:46] <Megaf> foks, how do you start OpenArena?
[18:47] <Megaf> I mean, id like to run it using framebuffer
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[18:52] <Armand> Torikun, I thought politics and capitalism led to corruption ?
[18:52] <Armand> :P
[18:52] <Torikun> lol
[18:52] <Torikun> hahah
[18:52] <Torikun> I am using capFS
[18:52] <Torikun> lol
[18:52] <flufmnstr> power corrupts, ergo remove power
[18:53] * flufmnstr chuckles
[18:54] <Armand> ;)
[18:54] <discorpia> gordonDrogon: how sensitive is the gpio? if using 10k/22k resistors for voltage divider i get approx 3.45v from 5v, is that acceptable or should i aim for more precision?
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[18:57] <gordonDrogon> discorpia, probably good enough...
[18:59] <discorpia> i'll give it a try and keep my fingers crossed
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[19:02] <gordonDrogon> last time I did it, I used 3.3k and 2.2k.
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> you could probably get away with 2 resistors the same value - drop the 5 to 2.5 which is high enough to read as a 1 (maybe a shade unreliable though)
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[19:06] <mgottschlag> 3.3V zener diode ftw
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[19:10] <gordonDrogon> still need a resistor, so still 2 components...
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> but sometimes you make do with what's in your electronics box :)
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[19:10] <ngc0202> :D
[19:10] <mgottschlag> hm, indeed
[19:11] <ngc0202> My Pi is working beautifully now
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[19:11] <Torikun> awesome
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[19:14] <ngc0202> :D
[19:14] <ngc0202> Oh
[19:14] <yankhates> ngc0202: nice!
[19:14] <ngc0202> How do I enable overscan via the console
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[19:15] <mgottschlag> ngc0202: use a text editor of your choice to edit /boot/config.txt
[19:15] <ngc0202> hmm
[19:15] <ngc0202> It's been a sad amount of time since I've last used Linux
[19:16] <mgottschlag> or http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
[19:16] <mgottschlag> (use nano, or copy it to a different computer ^^)
[19:17] <mgottschlag> there are even step-by-step instructions for nano at http://elinux.org/R-Pi_ConfigurationFile :D
[19:20] <ngc0202> :)
[19:20] <ngc0202> I remembered how to use nano once it came up
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[19:21] <UnaClocker> Yeah, nano is great.
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[19:23] <gordonDrogon> on-screen destructions with nano too - bottom 2 lines. I use vi(m) but nano is fine for quick hacks..
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[19:26] <xiambax> Goodmorning!
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[19:32] <Torikun> OI1
[19:32] <Torikun> How you doing xiambax
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[19:43] <xiambax> Not having a good start to today, Torikun
[19:43] <Torikun> y
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[19:45] <Porpado> Is there any way to have my pi act as a USB mass storage device or is this a hardware limitation?
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[19:46] <Joe_KD2AKU> clear
[19:46] <mgottschlag> Porpado: short answer: hardware limitation. long answer: someone in the forums hinted that something like that might be possible
[19:47] <mgottschlag> hm, or no, they said, booting from usb was possible, but only as usb host, not as usb device
[19:47] <mgottschlag> so no, not possible
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[19:48] <Porpado> damn
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[19:49] <xiambax> Waking up at 9:57 and starting work at 10:00. Luckily I live close to work and can run fast.
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[19:53] <mjr> Yeah no go. It's not completely clear if the model A can be a gadget or not though.
[19:53] <mjr> at least to me, it might be to somebody else.
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[19:55] <Datalink|Elsewhe> not RPi specific question but Ubuntu related, will init 3 throw Ubuntu into a console type state?
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[19:55] <Torikun> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNbMPz5CPY8
[19:56] <Soldats> Is there anyone around who can help me with wlan drivers on an rpi?
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[20:00] <mjr> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8089&p=97007 indicates as I suspected that a model A (without the USB hub) could probably work as a gadget, given suitable drivers (which I don't know anything about)
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[20:17] <UnaClocker> I think for my next assault on my Pi with a soldering iron will involve the installation of a decent SD card slot..
[20:17] <UnaClocker> Tired of the worthless one they come with bending my cards.
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[20:18] <Soldats> bending/scratching
[20:19] <xiambax> Huh. I just leave my pi in its case so i have no worries
[20:19] <xiambax> mind you im not doing anything rad with mine
[20:19] <xiambax> yet
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[20:20] <Soldats> mines runiing rbmc atm
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[20:20] <Soldats> but the wireless seems to be less than reliable with this image
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[20:23] <ParkerR> Hexxeh, You around?
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[20:38] <KiltedPi> Hey you old beardy nerds- I'm trying to find a 470 ohm resistor
[20:38] <KiltedPi> by color code-
[20:38] <KiltedPi> Then I've got a multimeter here-
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[20:38] <KiltedPi> can someone link an image of a 470 ohm?
[20:39] <KiltedPi> I don't rly know electronics at all!
[20:39] <KiltedPi> I'm a softie
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[20:39] <Soldats> I'd help if I could bud
[20:40] <Soldats> but I dont know what color it is either :P
[20:40] <KiltedPi> Yeah!
[20:40] <KiltedPi> You have yellow ones
[20:40] <KiltedPi> then the metal film ones, which are blue
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[20:40] <KiltedPi> I'm googling it, but getting mixed results
[20:40] <ParkerR> KiltedPi, yellow purple brown
[20:40] <KiltedPi> Yellow purple brown. Roger that
[20:41] <KiltedPi> Thats what I've got
[20:41] <KiltedPi> Damn
[20:41] <ParkerR> What?
[20:42] <KiltedPi> I just spent 25 quid out of rage on a shit load of resistors from tandy
[20:42] <KiltedPi> Because All the circuits I need to make-
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[20:42] <KiltedPi> Need either 270 or 470 ohms
[20:42] <KiltedPi> I bought some 'lucky bags' from maplin
[20:42] <KiltedPi> :(
[20:42] * KiltedPi is not so lucky it seems!
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[20:42] <ParkerR> KiltedPi, is it not 470?
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[20:43] <KiltedPi> I've fingered through a load i got
[20:43] <KiltedPi> No joy
[20:43] <KiltedPi> :(
[20:43] <ParkerR> Ok
[20:43] <ParkerR> What value are they reading as?
[20:43] <ParkerR> Is what I was really wanting to know
[20:43] <KiltedPi> i went by color code
[20:43] <ParkerR> Oh
[20:43] <KiltedPi> I've none to examine with my multimeter alas
[20:43] <Joeboy> KiltedPi: Oh, I made the exact same mistake (bag of shitty random resistors fro Maplin)
[20:44] <KiltedPi> Hah!
[20:44] <KiltedPi> Yeah.
[20:44] <KiltedPi> 'lucky bags'
[20:44] <KiltedPi> Well! I ordered a lock box/cabinet
[20:44] <Joeboy> Kind of thought they'd be sensible values, not random leftover shite
[20:44] <KiltedPi> And intend to fill it with components
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[20:46] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, did you find a suitable box of wee drawers?
[20:47] <xiambax> imgur is hiring!
[20:47] <Joeboy> They have money?
[20:47] <xiambax> http://imgur.com/jobs
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_color_code
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> 470?? is yellow, purple brown.
[20:48] <Joeboy> xiambax: They have a cunning page layout where the footer disappears when you scroll to the bottom of the page
[20:48] * Xark hopes Imgur hires some up-time experts...
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[20:49] <KiltedPi> ta!
[20:49] <KiltedPi> Alas, none in my pile :(
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> what do you need it for?
[20:49] <KiltedPi> I've a 1000 ohm
[20:49] <KiltedPi> Ach. just a test circuit.
[20:50] <KiltedPi> I'll get there!
[20:50] <KiltedPi> Eventually
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[20:50] <KiltedPi> Oh! Yeah I got a nice bax with drawers
[20:51] <KiltedPi> I was a bit naughty and ordered the big one. :/
[20:51] <KiltedPi> My missus will not be happy!
[20:51] <KiltedPi> box*
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[20:54] <linuxthefish> help, my RPi just has it's red light lit up!
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[20:55] <nid0> rewrite your sd card, check your power supply
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[20:56] <linuxthefish> thanks, the SD card had come out a little bit!
[20:56] <linuxthefish> i was about to start crying! :'(
[20:56] <linuxthefish> <3
[20:58] <KiltedPi> I haven't bricked my pi yet
[20:58] <KiltedPi> I've ordered another one anyway
[20:58] <KiltedPi> for when I do! hah
[20:58] <linuxthefish> are they easy to "brick" !?
[20:59] <mdszy> linuxthefish, no.
[20:59] <mdszy> you can't.
[20:59] <mdszy> if you make it unbootable, rewrite the SD card.
[20:59] <mdszy> The only way to make it impossible to boot is if you physically damage it
[20:59] <mdszy> or bridge a couple of the GPIO pins in the wrong way and fry it.
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[21:01] <KiltedPi> power yeah
[21:01] <KiltedPi> If you're interfacing with the GPIO
[21:01] <KiltedPi> You can break a pi
[21:03] <linuxthefish> i have my GPIO ports covered with a bit of tape :p
[21:04] <mjr> I wrapped my GPIO in tinfoil to be sure!
[21:04] <KiltedPi> hehe
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[21:05] <linuxthefish> good idea, i'll try that also
[21:05] <blackthor> hello. looking for tips where/how to get a "custom keypad" produced in asia
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[21:18] <ngc0202> Well, now that I got my RPi working, I have no clue what to do with it
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[21:21] <blackthor> lol ngc0202
[21:21] <blackthor> build a robot around it?
[21:21] <ngc0202> hehe
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[21:22] <ngc0202> I wasn't planning on buying extra hardware for it
[21:22] <Gordio> ngc0202, use as Desktop :D
[21:22] <Gordio> My RPi from inside - http://ompldr.org/vaGM4dg/fb.png
[21:22] <KiltedPi> ngc, have a read of the magpi magazine
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[21:23] <ngc0202> magpi?
[21:23] <chupacabra> Hidy yall.
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[21:23] <KiltedPi> Yeah its great
[21:23] <ngc0202> What is it?
[21:23] <chupacabra> waiting on mine to get here
[21:23] <KiltedPi> An online magazine
[21:23] <KiltedPi> for the raspberry pi
[21:23] <ngc0202> ah cool
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[21:23] <KiltedPi> Just ordered mine too chupacabra
[21:24] <chupacabra> Wheee looks like fun
[21:24] <KiltedPi> There's two options, ngc
[21:24] <KiltedPi> Interfacing with the Pi
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[21:24] <KiltedPi> (Interacting with real life physical electronics)
[21:24] <KiltedPi> Or!- doing anything you would do with any other computer!
[21:25] <KiltedPi> Why not learn how to code?
[21:25] <KiltedPi> With Python?
[21:25] <KiltedPi> Its calming. Like doing sudoku
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[21:25] * chupacabra chunked his suduko machine
[21:25] <KiltedPi> Anyway: http://www.themagpi.com/
[21:26] <KiltedPi> Thats the link for the magazine. its free and everything
[21:26] <KiltedPi> You bricked your pi!?
[21:26] <KiltedPi> Awwww damn!
[21:26] <KiltedPi> Is there still a waiting limit on ordering a fresh one?
[21:26] <KiltedPi> I waited 12 WEEKS
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[21:26] <KiltedPi> So now, I've got two! Muhahaha
[21:26] <chupacabra> no, had a sudoku machine. got mad at it
[21:26] <ngc0202> woops
[21:26] <KiltedPi> Hah! An ACTUAL sudoku magazine
[21:27] <chupacabra> not calming for me
[21:27] <KiltedPi> heh
[21:27] <KiltedPi> Coding is like that. sometimes. But if you're patient, and not facing a deadline or anything, I love it
[21:28] <chupacabra> i been doing embedded since the 90s. have a number of linux devices and stuff. been out of it
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[21:29] <thoonai> hi
[21:29] <KiltedPi> how do!
[21:29] <thoonai> how do I get 5V on a GPIO pin if I set it on high?
[21:30] <KiltedPi> I think the output on GPIO is 3.3V
[21:30] <KiltedPi> So 'high' or '1' is 3.3v in CMOS logic
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[21:30] <KiltedPi> or an 'on state'
[21:31] <KiltedPi> You can boost voltages I believe. it takes a transformer to do such an operation? I dunno. I'm more of a softie
[21:31] <KiltedPi> Better off just powering your circuit seperately. GordonDrogon is a legend with the electronics here.
[21:32] <KiltedPi> I don't have a clue in truth! I build my first circuit about last week!
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[21:33] <chupacabra> I'm not going to know how to act with more than 16 Meg memory.
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[21:34] <aep> hi, i heared that you can attach a small display panel to the rpi. which one would that be?
[21:35] <aep> i mean to the pins, not the hdmi/component out
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[21:37] <KiltedPi> the GPIO?
[21:37] <aep> yeh
[21:38] <KiltedPi> Dunno! probly
[21:38] <aep> actually there is another connector that looks more like an lcd thing
[21:38] <aep> at least on the model b
[21:38] <KiltedPi> There will be so0me kind of AV ou
[21:38] <KiltedPi> tput*
[21:38] <aep> whut?
[21:39] <KiltedPi> AV output
[21:39] <KiltedPi> The GPIO is 11 pins, each has different capabilities
[21:39] <aep> ah
[21:39] <aep> i think i want this: http://learn.adafruit.com/drive-a-16x2-lcd-directly-with-a-raspberry-pi/overview
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[21:40] <aep> exccept this is for an arduino :(
[21:40] <mjr> the display connector is the dsi, which is so far unused. But yes, you can kludge simple displays to the gpio
[21:40] <KiltedPi> you can hook an arduino into a pi
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[21:40] <aep> hehe
[21:40] <aep> mjr: dsi being?
[21:41] <mjr> in fact, the pi mini arcade cabinet uses a 320x240 lcd via gpio.
[21:42] <KiltedPi> they're working on dsi still yeah
[21:42] <aep> whuts that?
[21:44] <KiltedPi> Camera/video interfacing stuff
[21:44] <aep> oh interesting. didn't know it has one
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[21:44] <KiltedPi> I've put my youth projects wildlife with cameras stuff on hold,
[21:44] <KiltedPi> until its all sorted
[21:44] <KiltedPi> I'm doing the motion sensor stuff in the meantime
[21:44] <KiltedPi> and LED test circuits with them
[21:44] <KiltedPi> The kids love it
[21:45] <KiltedPi> Well, 'kid'.
[21:45] <KiltedPi> Andy is my test subject. he's eight, and can't wait for his birthday for his own pi
[21:45] <KiltedPi> :)
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[21:57] <s5fs> KiltedPi: very cool. my two girls are completely disinterested in tech, despite my coaxing.
[21:57] <s5fs> well, at least from the 'how it works' standpoint. they're both end-users of course.
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[22:06] <chupacabra> is debian the most popular distro for the pi?
[22:07] <TomWij> chupacabra: Hard to tell since it's hard to track the numbers, there is for instance no way to really track how much people use something like Arch or Gentoo.
[22:07] <chupacabra> thats Linux for you. hehe
[22:08] <TomWij> It's more likely that the images they provide are more popular than the images you need to produce yourself. ~ Insert some rule of lazyness / usability / ... here.
[22:09] <hybr1d8> raspbian (based on debian) is probably the most popular simply because it is the one noted first on the raspberry pi pages (and most people tend to pick option 1 ;) )
[22:09] <chupacabra> yup
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[22:11] <ParkerR> OHMUHGOSH
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[22:12] <chupacabra> I have a while to deide I guess
[22:12] <chupacabra> decide
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[22:13] <chaz68> Anyone trying 2TB external USB drives with their Pi?
[22:13] <swart> SD cards are cheap. you can use different distros for different projects
[22:13] <Amadiro> chaz68, yes.
[22:13] <chaz68> I'm having some issues with i/o
[22:13] <chaz68> or so it seems...
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[22:14] <chaz68> Will try copying couple hundred GB's of picture file to the Pi via network / Samba connection and it dies.
[22:15] <chaz68> Drive disappears from the mount and will not return without reboot...
[22:15] <Amadiro> dies how?
[22:15] <Amadiro> chaz68, is the drive self-powered?
[22:16] <chaz68> Yes. I have it hooked up with Sabrent external USB (also has esata connector).
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[22:16] <chaz68> It's an enclosure.
[22:16] <Amadiro> so it has its own power-supply?
[22:16] <chaz68> Tests fine in Disk Utility in Ubuntu 12.04 on my laptop.
[22:17] <chaz68> Correct. It's an external USB Hard Drive enclosure..
[22:17] <Amadiro> Have a look at what dmesg says, I guess
[22:17] <Amadiro> it should report the disk disappearing and possibly give a reason
[22:17] <mjr> sounds like usb bugginess
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[22:17] <chaz68> http://sabrent.com/category/hard-drive-enclosures/EC-UEIS7/
[22:18] <chaz68> This is the unit...
[22:18] <chaz68> USB bugginess is my suspicion.
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[22:19] <xiambax> I cant wait for my drive to come back on RMA
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[22:20] <chaz68> Anything in dmesg I should be on the lookout for?
[22:21] <Amadiro> chaz68, anything that has "usb" in it. It should at least give a "usb device disconnected" message.
[22:21] <Amadiro> But sometimes there are other useful debugging informations in there
[22:21] <ngc0202> hmm
[22:21] <ngc0202> so I found a spare wifi adapter for my RPi
[22:21] <ngc0202> then realized I don't have any spare USB ports for it :(
[22:22] <swart> powered bus?
[22:22] <ParkerR> Minecraft Pi http://i.minus.com/i3ye8XqgeyAYY.JPG
[22:23] <ngc0202> I don't have one
[22:23] <chaz68> Well I rebooted and there does not seem to be a dmesg output of concern.
[22:23] <Amadiro> chaz68, it would first show up after the harddisk disconnects.
[22:23] <chaz68> Should I try a big copy job again and then run dmesg after it fails..?
[22:24] <chaz68> That's what I'm saying. See if I can make it fail again and then run dmesg right?
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[22:24] <xiambax> Whats the best kind of wiki software to run?
[22:25] <k1i> is anyone here familiar with the MCP20137 GPIO expander and I2C?
[22:25] <Amadiro> chaz68, sure
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[22:31] <ngc0202> Damn
[22:31] <ngc0202> I can't find my old camera
[22:31] <ngc0202> It'd solve all my problems
[22:31] <ngc0202> sort of
[22:31] <k1i> MCP23017 sorry
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> k1i, yes.
[22:32] <k1i> gordonDrogon: from drogon.net?
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> that's me.
[22:32] <k1i> Okay, interesting problem, if you've got a few minutes to answer it
[22:32] <k1i> and its probably right up your ally
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> if I can....
[22:33] <k1i> wiringpi related
[22:33] <k1i> I bought an adafruit LCD + MCP23017 I2C board kit, built it, everything works perfectly
[22:33] <k1i> it has 5 IO buttons
[22:33] * gordonDrogon nods.
[22:33] <k1i> I wrote a ruby driver for it
[22:33] <k1i> anyway
[22:33] <k1i> the problem is, I threw the button-checking loop/code into a new thread
[22:34] <k1i> and when I go to write to the chip it screws up the LCD
[22:34] <k1i> (in a separate thread)
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> doesn't surprise me.
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> you need to "lock" access to the device, so only one thread can access it at any time.
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> otherwise they'll treat on each others toes.
[22:35] <k1i> is multithreading the proper method to handling button presses, etc, polled stuff?
[22:35] <k1i> and writing at the same time
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> I know nothing about ruby, but a lot about Linux & C and there I'd use a mutex.
[22:35] <xiambax> Did anyone ever answer my
[22:35] <k1i> so i2c-dev doesn't have transactions built-in?
[22:35] <xiambax> "what the best wiki" question
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> multithreading is one way - sometimes an easy way by splitting your application up into blocks/modules that all run concurrently.
[22:36] <ParkerR> Minecraft Pi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUgjIVACwT8
[22:36] <ParkerR> (leaked version)
[22:36] <swart> xiambax: there probably aren't a whole lot of people running wikis on their pi
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> k1i, I think the issue with i2c dev is that you need to make several separate transactions to do just one thing, so other processes can get in in-btetwen the display transactions for example.
[22:36] <swart> you'd be better off researching wiki software for linux in general
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[22:37] <gordonDrogon> the i2c driver won't know when you're done...
[22:37] <UukGoblin> hi
[22:37] <Amadiro> k1i, typically you wouldn't use multi-threading for that.
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[22:37] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, typically it's a good way to separate functions in a project.
[22:37] <k1i> well I am polling the device in a loop for button state
[22:37] <k1i> gpio reads
[22:37] <UukGoblin> why so much power consumption? Are there ways to reduce it (i.e. supplying the correct voltages directly, or disabling subsystems such as GPU, USB or Ethernet)?
[22:37] <k1i> I want to be able to write to it concurrently
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> just use a mutex.
[22:38] <Amadiro> Also not sure whether the problem is actually caused by you using multithreading, since ruby doesn't have threads that can run concurrently
[22:38] <s5fs> xiambax: I recently saw a talk by Ward Cunningham, he's working on something called a 'federated wiki', looked pretty neat. I recommend checking it out. He demo'd it running on a pi.
[22:38] <Amadiro> but maybe it does allow the writes to happen concurrently
[22:38] <k1i> http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-1.9.3/Mutex.html
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> so whenever you access the device set/wait on the mutex.
[22:38] <k1i> looks like mutexing is built into ruby 1.9.3
[22:38] <k1i> nice
[22:38] <UukGoblin> (or going to some sleep mode?)
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[22:40] <mjr> probably be simpler to handle all the i2c io in one thread, but ymmv
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> how does ruby handle the i2c?
[22:40] <k1i> yeah
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> I know virtually nothing about ruby.
[22:40] <k1i> I am using a modified version of this
[22:40] <k1i> https://github.com/andec/i2c
[22:41] <k1i> modified to support the mp30127 pullup resistors
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[22:41] <k1i> by me
[22:41] <k1i> uses i2c-dev
[22:41] <k1i> I will probably fork and modify this library to use mutexing
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> I've spent years working with parallel/concurrent systems though - far prefer some of those techniques to the "big loop" type of scenario.
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[22:41] <k1i> i hate the idea of a main loop in general
[22:41] <k1i> and polling for that matter
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> sometimes you have to poll.
[22:41] <k1i> yea
[22:42] <k1i> I am going to add mutexing to this gem
[22:42] <k1i> at an IO level
[22:42] <Amadiro> k1i, it's usually the best solution, though.
[22:42] <mgottschlag> UukGoblin: there are hardware mods to replace the linear regulator with a switching one
[22:42] <Amadiro> and often the only solution feasible
[22:42] <k1i> Amadiro: yeah, at some point polling is going to happen
[22:42] <mgottschlag> the 3.3V regulator
[22:42] <k1i> gordonDrogon: this library is inspired by wiringpi
[22:43] <k1i> nice thing with ruby is
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> k1i, there is a set of wiringPi wrappers round ruby though - https://github.com/wiringpi I think (I didn't do them)
[22:43] <k1i> yea
[22:43] <k1i> I used that too, works welll
[22:43] <UukGoblin> mgottschlag, ah, interesting, I'd like to read more about it... http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/260 seems to indicate they decided for using a switching-mode PSU from the BCM2835 die, but doesn't have any details...
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[22:44] <k1i> but I had to switch to i2c for this LCD
[22:44] <k1i> and that's where the problem came in
[22:44] <frikinz> I often solve parallel/concurrent problems with concurrent programming and event programming. perl POE to not name it
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[22:44] <k1i> I think the simple solution
[22:44] <frikinz> define events, actions, timers
[22:44] <k1i> will be to add mutexing to
[22:44] <k1i> https://github.com/andec/i2c/blob/master/lib/i2c/backends/i2c-dev.rb
[22:44] <UukGoblin> although... no sorry, it does mention an LDO *and* the internal bcm2835 one
[22:44] <k1i> around the read and write functions
[22:45] <UukGoblin> so I'm guessing 5V-> 3.3V is done via an LDO, which is probably not super-efficient
[22:45] <mgottschlag> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=12387
[22:45] <UukGoblin> thanks :-)
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[22:45] <mgottschlag> there is a second LDO, but I don't know what voltage it provides
[22:46] <Amadiro> k1i, could work -- try it. But as I said earlier, the problem might be actually from somewhere else.
[22:46] <bonks> Anyone know a usb wifi dongle that supports access point mode and raspberry pi?
[22:46] <pksato> 1.8v
[22:46] <k1i> Amadiro: the problem is definitely due to concurrent read/write
[22:46] <plugwash> The core is powered by a switcher inside the SoC
[22:46] <k1i> on this mcp30127 chip
[22:46] <plugwash> everything else is powered by linear regulators
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[22:46] <Amadiro> k1i, okay. I guess ruby allows threads to concurrently do I/O, then.
[22:46] <k1i> yes
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[22:46] <k1i> and more specifically this library
[22:47] <k1i> I am going to write a monkeypatch to add mutexing to the IO
[22:47] <ngc0202> uh
[22:47] <ngc0202> My USB memory stick used to have 2GB on it
[22:47] <ngc0202> Now it says it only has 55 MB
[22:47] <ngc0202> What the hell happened xD
[22:48] <k1i> phantom data loss
[22:48] <ngc0202> I mean capacity
[22:49] <pksato> ngc0202: you dump .img to usb stick?
[22:49] <ngc0202> yeah, but then I formatted it
[22:49] <pksato> format only fat partition.
[22:49] <ngc0202> sorry?
[22:50] <pksato> rpi .img have two partition. One is a ~60MB fat, and other is a ext4 or other.
[22:51] <pksato> Some OS show only fat.
[22:51] <pksato> use fdisk or other disk manager to create one partition.
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> I'm adding some extensions to wiringPi that will make adding devices like 23017's work just like the Pi's on-board GPIO.
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> it'll deal with the I2c, SPI, shift-registers internally for you.
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[22:54] <k1i> gordonDrogon: pulldowns?
[22:54] <k1i> err pulups
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> k1i, if the devices support it.
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[22:54] <k1i> does wiringpi use i2c-dev?
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> k1i, not directly, but I have provided some i2c-dev wrappers for easy use.
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[22:55] <Iota> o/
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> k1i, see http://unicorn.drogon.net/q2w.c for an example program that uses a 23017 on I2C on the Pi using the wiringPiI2C module.
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[22:56] <Zehle> Hello there! :D
[22:56] <Iota> Hey, Zehle.
[22:56] <k1i> checking
[22:56] <Zehle> Does anyone here have any experience with raspberyypi's comvined with temperature?
[22:56] <Zehle> I mean like termometers
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[22:57] <gordonDrogon> yes.....
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> but what kind of interface - there are many...
[22:57] <Zehle> I need to get a Pi to recieve a temp and then using for example python to send it to a php script and then up to a webpage
[22:58] <xiambax> What pbpbb theme does the raspberry pi forum use?
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> python or php - don't use both...
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[22:58] <gordonDrogon> Zehle, but there are many many different types of temperature sensor.
[22:58] <Zehle> Okej, then I??ll have to use PHP? Need to get it up on a webpage
[22:58] <Zehle> Yh, I know
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> Zehle, use what you're most familiar with..
[22:58] <mdik> Zehle, gordonDrogon: there is a gpio module for python one might use to e.g. hook up a one-wire thermosensor, right?
[22:59] <Zehle> mdik: Yeah exactly
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> there is a 1W kernel module, but I've never used it.
[22:59] <Zehle> Tha is what I've been hearing before
[22:59] <mdik> Zehle: and in the python code you could produce an html page you put in /var/www/... or run the python webserver directly
[22:59] <Zehle> Oh, okej, so I don''t need the PHP transfer? I can go directly from Python to HTML?
[23:00] <mdik> Zehle: if you succeed, i would be interested in your findings/scripts -> malte@wk3.org
[23:00] <mdik> sure
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> I think your first challenge is finding a sensor you can read easily...
[23:01] <Zehle> mdik: Sure! But it's a futureistic project, I'm not so good at all this yet but my fathers work needed some of those, and I'm more cheap then the big companys ;)
[23:01] <mdik> hehe
[23:01] <Zehle> gordonDrogon: Yeah, and it has to be digital right?
[23:02] <mdik> the ds18b20 sensors are quite common and cheap
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[23:03] <Zehle> mdik: Thanks, I'll check it out! Is it okej if I throw some quiestions in your mail if needed?
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[23:03] <Amadiro> Zehle, it doesn't have to be, but if it is analog, you'll need an ADC as well, and its a lot of hassle to calibrate them etc
[23:03] <mdik> Zehle: you may. but you should see that i put it here, so i could learn from _you_ (:
[23:04] <Zehle> mdik: onw problem with the ds18b20 is the accuracy...+/- 0.5C
[23:04] <mdik> nontheless i may provide pointers for some subproblems
[23:04] <Zehle> Amadiro: Just as I thought
[23:04] <Amadiro> Zehle, how much accuracy do you need
[23:04] <mdik> Zehle: what kind of project is it that you'd need it more precise?
[23:04] <Zehle> Amadiro: I mean 0.1 would be nice
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[23:04] <pksato> Zehle: that application?
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[23:05] <chaz68> Now my copy is working but stops after a few items and has to be retried. dmesg output to follow.
[23:05] <Zehle> It's for monitoring some "warming facilities" in a mini kind of hotel
[23:05] <chaz68> Uhhh.... Looks like the drive stopped again...
[23:05] <Cykey> Guys, I had working HDMI output on my pi and then I update the firmware
[23:05] <Cykey> boom, no more HDMI output
[23:06] <Amadiro> Zehle, well, check if you find a sensor that can give you that accuracy and then see if you can figure out how to connect it to an rpi
[23:06] <Zehle> pksato: huh?
[23:06] <Cykey> updated*
[23:06] <Amadiro> Zehle, worst-case is you'll have to spend like 10 bucks for a small microcontroller that reads it for you, that you can attach to the rpi via usb/rs232/etc
[23:06] <Zehle> Amadiro: Yeah, I guess, but I'll try to find a digital, analog will be messy
[23:07] <Amadiro> (assuming you're not afraid of programming a little C)
[23:07] <Zehle> Amadiro: Well yeah, ten bucks isn't too much though
[23:07] <Zehle> mdik: It's for monitoring some "warming facilities" in a mini kind of hotel
[23:07] <mdik> Zehle: i have no idea what a "warming facilty" is...
[23:07] <Zehle> mdik: I can give you what I figure out but I think you can teach me some to!
[23:08] <Zehle> mdik: I don't know the english word ^^
[23:08] <mdik> gimme german
[23:08] <Amadiro> radiator?
[23:08] <pksato> Zehle: select on from http://para.maximintegrated.com/en/search.mvp?fam=temp_sens&tree=sensors
[23:08] <Zehle> mdik: The place where you fire up wood to get a warm house or warm water ;)
[23:08] <Amadiro> fireplace
[23:08] <Amadiro> oh, more like a boiler, I guess
[23:08] <k1i> is there a reason
[23:08] <k1i> that you would need to write to I2C before reading anything?
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[23:08] <Zehle> pksato: Thanks will check it out
[23:08] <mdik> Zehle: but for that 0.5 degree accuracy should be fine.
[23:08] <chaz68> OK... Here's my dmesg output. http://pastebin.com/ZDQkvVfb
[23:08] <Amadiro> k1i, yes
[23:08] <Zehle> Amadiro: yes
[23:08] <Macer> has anybody tried to use a scanner on the pi? :)
[23:09] <k1i> Amadiro: to set address?
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> Zehle, yes, digital unless you use some external A/D converter.
[23:09] <Amadiro> Macer, what scanner
[23:09] <k1i> Amadiro: a la http://pastebin.com/msUHGz1n
[23:09] <Zehle> gordonDrogon: yepp
[23:09] <Amadiro> k1i, you probably need to send a request to the device first before it can answer you anything
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[23:09] <k1i> good point
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[23:10] <Zehle> Is the TempBitrate then accuracy?
[23:10] <Zehle> How many bits should be needed for 0.1 accuracy?
[23:10] <chaz68> So. I'm assuming USB weirdness here... Any ideas?
[23:10] <k1i> anyone here have experience with RS485?
[23:10] <k1i> just by chance?
[23:10] <mdik> Zehle: it depends on the range and the acutal sensor.
[23:11] <OpenSys> kli, yes
[23:11] <Zehle> mdik: Okej can you find onw for me here? http://para.maximintegrated.com/en/search.mvp?fam=temp_sens&tree=sensors Digital, 0.1 accuracy, 40-->100C, those are my needs :)
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[23:12] <mdik> Zehle: don't put to many stones in your own way. if i understood the problem correctly. 0.5 degree accuracy are more than fine and the ds18b20 is good in so far that it is not expensive and there are _loads_ of tutorials online describing how to hook it up.
[23:12] <OpenSys> 0.1 accuracy = military
[23:12] <OpenSys> normal = 0.5
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[23:12] <OpenSys> its like GPS
[23:13] <Zehle> mdik: okej, maybe you'r right, but I think 0.1 accuracy would be nice, but allright I'll check if it's really necessary.
[23:13] <Zehle> OpenSys: I find that hard to believe
[23:13] <Zehle> Opensys: we're talking temperature
[23:13] <Zehle> mdik: brb
[23:15] <OpenSys> Zehle, normal electronic components are build to costumers, automation and military
[23:15] <mdik> Zehle: a common misconception: only because a digital thermometer has a display like xx.y doesn't mean its precision is to 0.1 degrees...
[23:15] <Zehle> OpenSys: Okej :)
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[23:16] <Zehle> mdik: That's true. Sorry bout that. Anyhow, my Dad said that 0.5 degrees accuracy would be just fine!
[23:17] <Zehle> mdik: so I'll go with the DS18B20 :)
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[23:26] <dape> meh, anyone tried gentoo on the Pi? i cannot make the keyboard work, i tried a good usb hub too, nothing
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[23:26] <dape> i actually tried both microsoft comfort curve 2000 and a steelseries
[23:26] <Macer> sorry
[23:26] <Macer> fujitsu snapscan s1500
[23:27] <Macer> going to buy one soon since sane supports it
[23:27] <Macer> i jsut wanted to see if anybody here tried it in raspbian
[23:27] <Macer> i might use a pi as an office "desktop
[23:27] <Macer> "
[23:28] <Amadiro> Macer, if you can get over the slow X performance and the low memory
[23:28] <Macer> http://www.amazon.com/Fujitsu-ScanSnap-Instant-Sheet-Fed-Scanner/dp/B001V9LQH0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1359916256&sr=8-2&keywords=scansnap+s1500
[23:28] <Amadiro> even 512MiBs are kinda little if you want to run something like libreoffice (assuming it even works on ARM)
[23:28] <Macer> meh. i'll run fluxbox on it or something heh
[23:28] <k1i> gordonDrogon: added mutexing at a driver level and app level, seems to ave completely solved the problem
[23:28] <Amadiro> well, the window-manager will be your least concern :)
[23:28] <Macer> Amadiro: i didn't check to see if it was in the repo
[23:28] <Macer> let me see
[23:29] <Amadiro> Macer, it is
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[23:29] <Amadiro> but how it runs -- I don't know. I think libreoffice uses java, and if the jvm can't JIT on ARM, it might end up being super-slow
[23:29] <Macer> libreoffice - office productivity suite
[23:29] <Macer> yah
[23:29] <Macer> does libreoffice use java?
[23:30] <Amadiro> I think so
[23:30] <Macer> i figured libreoffice ditched java
[23:30] <Amadiro> I'm not sure
[23:30] <Macer> i'm not either
[23:30] <Macer> i wonder
[23:30] <Amadiro> I haven't really kept up. I write all my things in LaTeX these days.
[23:31] <Macer> http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/5375/can-i-use-libre-office-without-java/
[23:31] <Macer> seems a few things still depend on it
[23:31] <Macer> hopefully they move away from it :)
[23:31] <Macer> java kind of lost its intention long ago anyways
[23:31] <k1i> yeah
[23:31] <Macer> as the "any platform" deal
[23:32] <k1i> what was it that saved java?
[23:32] <Macer> the whole point was to be a jvm/jre that was common across all systems
[23:32] <k1i> the implementation of exec?
[23:32] <Macer> that was totally fail :)
[23:32] <k1i> for things like jruby/scala
[23:32] <Macer> nobody knows haha
[23:32] <k1i> im thinking
[23:32] <k1i> exec
[23:32] <Macer> dalvik saved java :-P
[23:32] <Macer> heh
[23:32] <k1i> yea
[23:32] <Amadiro> you do not need to call exec() to run either jruby or scala
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[23:32] <k1i> what is it
[23:32] <k1i> that jruby exploits?
[23:32] <hybr1d8> java is still a better proposition on the server side than on the client ;)
[23:32] <k1i> to be able to run the interpreter
[23:33] <k1i> that made it possible
[23:33] <k1i> < not a java ugy
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[23:33] <Amadiro> k1i, nothing, it just has to provide a layer that dynamically resolves function invocations and such
[23:33] <Macer> k1i: i think i'd still have the world using java than python :-P
[23:33] <Amadiro> much like you need in CRuby
[23:33] <k1i> heh
[23:33] <k1i> everyone should be using cobol
[23:33] <Amadiro> although there was talk of newer JVM versions getting dynamic_invoke, which would make that faster
[23:34] <Macer> asm
[23:34] <Amadiro> I don't know if that ever happened, though
[23:34] <Macer> python turned into its own beast
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[23:34] <Macer> where scripting has been considered a "language"
[23:34] <Macer> heh
[23:34] <Macer> that was the beginning of the end
[23:35] <k1i> you want to see the beginning of the future?
[23:35] <k1i> Macer: http://meteor.com
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> k1i, sounds good!
[23:35] <k1i> gordonDrogon: this really should be implemented into a native driver of some kind
[23:35] <k1i> for this kind of chip
[23:36] <Macer> k1i: heh
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[23:36] <k1i> whether you like it or not
[23:36] <k1i> there will be some serious cash to be had
[23:36] <k1i> in either meteor or derbyjs
[23:36] <Macer> yeah.. too bad
[23:36] <k1i> I fell in love with everything about it
[23:36] <k1i> e
[23:36] <Macer> seems like the world is going backwards
[23:36] <k1i> except for their development cycles
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> the i2c driver doesn't know when you're stated or stopped when you're doing a multi-transaction transaction with a device...
[23:36] <Macer> when i saw win8 market angry birds as awesome
[23:36] <Macer> i thought if cheesy 1990s games
[23:37] <Macer> like really? angry birds? :)
[23:37] <k1i> gordonDrogon: good point
[23:37] <Macer> why not market pong?
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> however it's zed time for me.. time to dream about something other than Pi's :)
[23:37] <k1i> Macer: wordswithfriends
[23:37] <k1i> goodnight
[23:37] <Macer> lol
[23:37] <k1i> appreciate the help
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[23:41] <xiambax> I just did the gamble option on modmypi, i hope it works out. i hate pink
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[23:49] <k1i> mutexes are great
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[23:56] <chaz68> i/o error just listing the mounted external USB 2TB drive: http://pastebin.com/gAdwFVD3
[23:57] <chaz68> Is this normal or a hardware issue?
[23:57] <chaz68> Debian 7 - Wheezy. Running on SqueezePlug.
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[23:59] <hybr1d8> can you grab the dmesg output as well? That output just shows that ls was unable to read the filesystem (due to IO error)

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