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IRC Log for 2013-02-04

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[0:02] <chaz68> Yeah. I posted it above b4 interrupted.... http://pastebin.com/ZDQkvVfb
[0:02] <hybr1d8> that would be handy
[0:03] <hybr1d8> what I can see suggests that the disk went offline (ie: usb connection lost)
[0:03] <chaz68> It copies a bit then stops...
[0:03] <chaz68> Should I try ext2 / ext3 / NTFS?
[0:03] <chaz68> I have another pi running this same setup reliably but it uses a 1TB hard drive with different enclosure.
[0:04] <hybr1d8> don't think it would help - the error is with accessing the underlying device
[0:04] <darknite> i'm trying to use an arduino board without mcu as and usb/ttl converter to access the serial console via gpio. (i don't have any hdmi device to access the screen)
[0:04] <chaz68> I have a few different usb - sata adapters I can try as well.
[0:04] <darknite> i'm having trouble initializing a session using screen /dev/ttyxxx 115200 with the following setup
[0:04] <hybr1d8> try connecting via a powered USB hub - it would not surprise me if the communications to the drive are getting messed up due to a pwer drop
[0:04] <chaz68> Don't know if I'd be wasting my time.
[0:04] <darknite> http://i.imgur.com/Ic55EQ3.png
[0:05] <chaz68> I have a Rosewill 7 port hub but it is not on the compatbility list...
[0:05] <hybr1d8> pretty much any powered hub should be helpful
[0:05] <TAFB> everyone got the superbowl on their tv :)
[0:05] <chaz68> Actually have a couple of those Rosewill units. Too bad not on compatibility list.
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[0:05] <hybr1d8> I know the pi can work fine with 2TB disks (have done so myself)
[0:06] <darknite> it's not working, i'm not receiving any response, so does anyone have any suggestion for what could be wrong?
[0:06] <chaz68> So you think that may work with the powered hub even though it may not be on the compatibility list...
[0:06] <hybr1d8> worth a try ;)
[0:06] <Torikun> http://mbsy.co/lootcrate/99621 Check out Loot Crate! Good goodies for Geeks!
[0:06] <chaz68> Just don't want to waste my time on it if I'm barking up the wrong tree.
[0:06] <hybr1d8> darknite: Are you sure the arduino is setup for 115200 comms?
[0:07] <hybr1d8> also - make sure the device is correct and you have permissions (/dev/ttyAMA0)
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[0:08] <TAFB> Torikun: you watchin the superbowl?
[0:08] <Torikun> hell no lol
[0:08] <Torikun> you?
[0:08] <TAFB> lol. Yeah, I'm forced to, streaming it to a few friends :) http://rogerslive.click2stream.com :)
[0:08] <hybr1d8> chaz68: Both the OS and PI can work with 2TB drives - so problem must be in drive itself or communications with that driver
[0:08] <Torikun> lol nice
[0:08] <chaz68> I think I have one of these... http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_to_SATA
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[0:09] <darknite> hybr1d8: hmm, i didn't think i had to set up a specific speed in the arduino when just using it as a serial adapter, it should support 115200 since it supports it in programming i figured
[0:09] <chaz68> I guess I'll try that and the USB powered hub unit...
[0:09] <hybr1d8> When opening the serial connection from the arduino side you specify a speed
[0:09] <hybr1d8> ie "Serial.begin(115200)"
[0:10] <chaz68> Ubuntu laptop shows drive fine. I assume it's OK Drive. Passes SMART...
[0:10] <chaz68> Seems to work fine on other systems...
[0:10] <darknite> hybr1d8: there is no chip in the arduino, just using it as pure usb/ttl serial, connecting directly to the usb chip (the mega16u2)
[0:11] <darknite> the permissions looked right as well
[0:11] <hybr1d8> what is at the other end of the serial connection then?
[0:11] <hybr1d8> ie: what is actually listening for the serial connection?
[0:11] <darknite> oh, maybe i didn't specify. the arduino is connected to a laptop usb, so it's a bridge to serial laptop<>arduino<>rpi
[0:12] <hybr1d8> so is the laptop listening for serial at that speed?
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[0:12] <darknite> yeah, i use screen /dev/ttyxxx 115200
[0:13] <darknite> tried both with cs8 and cs7 as well (stop bits)
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[0:13] <hybr1d8> on both pi and laptop?
[0:13] <mgottschlag> darknite: you could try capturing some signal using normal gpio functions to see whether the signal from the arduino is correct
[0:13] <hybr1d8> the wiring looks like it should work (not ideal since no proper level converted - but good enough)
[0:13] <Hopsy> how do I do a reconnect when my wifi lost connection without reboot?
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[0:15] <darknite> mgottschlag: i'll double check my setup and then try to use one of the pins as a logic analyzer, thanks for the tip
[0:15] <darknite> hybr1d8: thanks for the look, then i know i'm working from sound principles. i might have made a mistake somewhere because i'm tired so i'll look it over one more time
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[0:16] <hybr1d8> Maybe try putting the chip back in the arduino board and confirming that comms work to there
[0:16] <chaz68> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_to_SATA
[0:16] <hybr1d8> you can always put a jumper from GND to RST on the arduino to force it to work in tri-state mode when you want to use it as a usb->TTL convertor
[0:17] <darknite> hybr1d8: :D what's tristate mode?
[0:17] <chaz68> Sorry didnt' mean to copy that again... hybr1d8 - thanks for the advice.
[0:17] <darknite> as in high impedance?
[0:17] <chaz68> Givin' it a shot right now...
[0:18] <hybr1d8> basically the chip is in a constant reset and so it doesn't get in the way of the USB->TTL
[0:18] <hybr1d8> (saves having to physically pull the chip out ;) )
[0:18] <darknite> hybr1d8: just googled, maybe that's what i'm doing wrong, i will try that right away. thanks
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[0:33] <ngc0202> hmm
[0:33] <ngc0202> so I'm on Raspbian
[0:33] <ngc0202> and booting up now it's asking me for a login
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[0:34] <ngc0202> and when I type something in it says "Unable to determine your tty name"
[0:34] <ngc0202> I'm not really sure what I should
[0:35] <ngc0202> ... do
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[0:38] <ngc0202> Any ideas?
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[0:49] <KiltedPi^> ngc: Have you formatted and installed Raspbian?
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[0:50] <KiltedPi^> on your SD card?
[0:50] <hybr1d8> how are you connected to the pi?
[0:50] <KiltedPi^> Yeah.
[0:50] <ngc0202> Uh
[0:50] <KiltedPi^> Do you use SSH?
[0:50] <ngc0202> No
[0:51] <ngc0202> I use a screen and a keyboard
[0:51] <KiltedPi^> So you are physically connecting? kk
[0:51] <ngc0202> yeah
[0:51] <KiltedPi^> Have you got an OK light?
[0:51] <KiltedPi^> oh wait
[0:51] <KiltedPi^> its booting up?
[0:51] <ngc0202> yeah
[0:51] <ngc0202> This is after going through the settings thing
[0:51] <KiltedPi^> Did you install the image with win32 disk imager?
[0:51] <KiltedPi^> Or off linux?
[0:52] <ngc0202> and pressing finish
[0:52] <ngc0202> yes, disk imager
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[0:52] <KiltedPi^> Try a fresh install
[0:52] <KiltedPi^> on your SD card.
[0:52] <KiltedPi^> Then come back :)
[0:52] <KiltedPi^> If its still knackered
[0:52] <KiltedPi^> We'll help then :)
[0:53] <KiltedPi^> It's best for a fresh install in this case
[0:53] <ngc0202> well it's on my USB stick
[0:53] <ngc0202> and I just did that
[0:54] <KiltedPi^> USB? heh
[0:54] <KiltedPi^> On the bottom of your Pi-
[0:54] <KiltedPi^> There is an SD card reader
[0:54] <KiltedPi^> :)
[0:55] <KiltedPi^> Put it in there. no?
[0:55] <ngc0202> *facepalm*
[0:55] <KiltedPi^> Otherwise, you will need drivers for the USB
[0:55] <ngc0202> Let's go from
[0:55] <ngc0202> what does it mean that it's giving this message
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[0:58] <KiltedPi^> It means you can't access USB from a debian distro I believe
[0:58] <KiltedPi^> I could get more complicated if you like.
[0:58] * KiltedPi^ shrugs
[0:58] <KiltedPi^> won't help you.
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[1:05] <armin> anyone here using mpd on their raspberry pi with alsa and hardware mixer_type?
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[1:56] <xiambax> wow. it got busy in here.
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[2:30] <TAFB> must have been Beyonce at the half time show :)
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[2:35] <xiambax> I saw the best grump cat meme today it said "I hope..... both teams lose"
[2:38] <TAFB> lol, half of the power just went out in the stadium
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[2:38] <TAFB> lost all the audio for the commentators!
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[2:46] <LilSnoop4> hello, can someone answer a question for me please. i have bought the raspberry pi board, a wifi dongle, sd card and power supply. everything runs great except no matter what addon i try to watch a movie/tv show from it buffers after only 1-5 constent. i have tried a few different images from raspbmc and openelec and same issue. i have a cable internet 50 download and 6 upload so i don't
[2:46] <LilSnoop4> think that's it. the same addon's on my apple tv play with no issue. please help. thanks
[2:49] <PhotoJim> LilSnoop4: could be as simple as the WiFi dongle for your Pi isn't as sensitive as the one on your AppleTV so you're not getting as consistent a stream. The best way to rule this out is to hook up the Pi using a wired connection (which is more reliable anyway).
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[2:51] <LilSnoop4> jim i tried that as well and same issue
[2:54] <PhotoJim> could be your Pi just doesn't have the horsepower to pull the content off the network and simultaneously play it without hiccups.
[2:54] <PhotoJim> Try throwing it on a USB flash drive or some such, and see if it can play it off that without pauses.
[2:54] <PhotoJim> if it is, then you know it's CPU limitations or network limitations.
[2:56] <LilSnoop4> Jim are you saying put the image on the usb flash or the movie i am trying to watch. the movies or shows i am trying to watch r coming from the addon's like 1channel, icefilms and navi-x.
[2:57] <PhotoJim> LilSnoop4: I thought you were streaming them from a server or NAS, prehaps.
[2:57] <LilSnoop4> no streaming using the addon's
[2:57] <PhotoJim> I'm afraid I don't have any experience in streaming on my Pi yet, so I have to defer to those here with more experience.
[2:57] <PhotoJim> the addons are confirmed to work at adequate speed on the Pi for other people?
[2:58] <LilSnoop4> ok, well thanks for your help appreciate it.
[2:58] <PhotoJim> no problem... hope you figure it out
[2:58] <LilSnoop4> ... me too
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[4:26] <xiambax> football eh
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[5:11] <ldionmarcil> can someone recommand a 4+ port usb hub for the pi?
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[5:26] <ldionmarcil> god damn you amazon.
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[5:26] <ldionmarcil> $19.95 in the US + free shipping. 50$ in canada + shipping fees..
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[5:38] <elek> pretty good deal
[5:38] <ldionmarcil> i simply cannot find anything thats not double the price in canada
[5:38] <ldionmarcil> what the heck.
[5:38] <ShiftPlusOne> You can't get the same thing for $10 on ebay or something?
[5:39] <ldionmarcil> I never used ebay, don't you get conterfeit stuff all the time?
[5:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't had any real problems
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[5:41] <LilSnoop4> how do you get the weather to show up in the upper left hand corner. i am using raspmc and i don't see that. thanks
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[5:44] <ldionmarcil> same thing on ebay
[5:45] <ldionmarcil> free shipping! oh canada? 20$ shipping!
[5:45] <ShiftPlusOne> You're doing it wrong.
[5:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Are you ordering from America or something?
[5:45] <ldionmarcil> ebay.ca
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[5:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Their shipping charges are stupid and you should never buy anything from America.
[5:46] * ccssnet sells on ebay, only ships to usa customers. actually reads things.
[5:46] <ldionmarcil> well I can't find anything decent _that can power the pi_
[5:46] <ldionmarcil> and that wont cost me twice the price of the actual pi
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[5:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I see a 2.5A one for $26 (including shipping) on ebay.ca
[5:49] <ldionmarcil> Thing is, I would like to make sure it works before ordering, so I was looking at the ones from the website
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[5:49] <ldionmarcil> I want to make sure it will power the pi. Just from the list, I can tell most of them will in fact not power the pi properly or at all
[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Are you talking about this list? http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[5:51] <ldionmarcil> ShiftPlusOne: yes
[5:52] <ShiftPlusOne> And when you say power the pi, are you talking about backfeeding or powering it properly?
[5:53] <ldionmarcil> im not familiar with the term "backfeeding", I just want to make sure the pi run without any problems with my devices
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[5:54] <ShiftPlusOne> ok
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[5:56] <xiambax> Anyone ever order from ModMyPi?
[5:56] <ShiftPlusOne> xiambax, yeah, I have a case form them.
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[5:57] <xiambax> I did the gamble option. I hope i don't end up with a pink case
[5:57] <ldionmarcil> is it cheaper to gamble it?
[5:57] <ShiftPlusOne> ldionmarcil, In that case, you're best bet it going to a local store, buying a hub and returning it if it doesn't work. (rinse, repeat). There is no guarantee anything will work until you actually try it.
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[5:57] <xiambax> Yeah. Two or three dollars i think
[5:57] <ldionmarcil> ShiftPlusOne: I imagined that... will do.
[5:57] <ldionmarcil> xiambax: how much did it cost you?
[5:58] <xiambax> 8.84 Canadian after shipping and tax.
[5:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I wasn't too impressed by the modmypi case though
[5:58] <xiambax> It was cheap.
[5:58] <ldionmarcil> I should get a case someday
[5:58] <xiambax> I figured i would buy it for when i order a second, third, or fourth board.
[5:58] <xiambax> I think I may order 4 in my next order
[5:58] <ldionmarcil> I don't trust the solidity of the lego one I built
[5:59] <xiambax> I have mine hiding in a hollowed out Airport extreme
[5:59] <ldionmarcil> xiambax: why so many boards?
[5:59] <xiambax> http://imgur.com/a/HUcsT
[5:59] <xiambax> Just for fun
[6:00] <ldionmarcil> oh ok
[6:01] <ldionmarcil> well, thats a great case
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[6:01] <xiambax> I think I may buy some of these http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1633/how-can-one-control-ac-power-220v-with-a-raspberry-pi
[6:01] <xiambax> and do switch outlets at my house
[6:02] <xiambax> make a web app and control my lights or something as a proof of concept
[6:03] <ldionmarcil> think I should get a case for mine? I just don't want it to explode if it falls on the ground: http://i.imgur.com/4XfV3ko.jpg
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[6:03] <ldionmarcil> the way I built it will make the case explode in every direction, hopefully absorbing the cash.
[6:03] <xiambax> People break that little shinny thing off to the left
[6:03] <xiambax> it can be soldered back on but its a known issue
[6:04] <xiambax> I think rpi or their distributors should package the unit in a box that folds into a case.
[6:04] <xiambax> that has cutouts
[6:04] <ldionmarcil> but think about the current distributers! they would run out of business :-(
[6:04] <xiambax> naw, not everyone wants a cardboard case
[6:04] <xiambax> I think i may go hunting for old books and cut one apart.
[6:05] <xiambax> like a leather bound book. i could probably fit three or four of them in there
[6:05] <ldionmarcil> but the knowledge
[6:05] <xiambax> old books are a dime a dozen
[6:05] <xiambax> especially the old leather readers digest books
[6:06] <xiambax> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lovely-1965-Book-Leather-Spine-in-Original-Slipcase-Reader-s-Digest-Condensed-Bo-/400400325387?pt=Antiquarian_Books_UK&hash=item5d39b81b0b&_uhb=1#ht_500wt_1156
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[6:07] <xiambax> i could wire these on the outside https://www.wiredco.com/v/vspfiles/photos/ebay/cat6jack4.jpg and plug cables into the book
[6:07] <xiambax> i could even sire a usb hub inside of the book
[6:07] <xiambax> s/wire
[6:09] <xiambax> The cases APC makes inspired me. Too bad their boards and community suck!
[6:12] <xiambax> This is how you hollow out a book. http://rive.rs/projects/how-to-hollow-out-a-book
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[7:28] <Eartaker> anyone running freepbx?
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[8:06] <ParkerR> Heya
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[8:15] <Jck_true> Anybody stumble across a comparionson chart with the other "raspberry like boards"- The Pi simply aint fast enough to drive the nautical charts i had in mind (But going straight to the 182USD Pandaboard ES seems a bit steep)
[8:15] <Eartaker> anyone running raspbx?
[8:15] <Jck_true> and the Beagleboard doesn't look fast enough on specs vs the pi)
[8:15] <Triffid_Hunter> Jck_true: how about cubieboard or mk802 etc?
[8:16] <Eartaker> Jck_true: look at the odroid http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/main.php
[8:16] <Eartaker> 1.7ghx QUAD core
[8:16] <Eartaker> ghz
[8:16] <ParkerR> Eartaker, Never heard of it
[8:16] <Triffid_Hunter> Jck_true: what about your nautical charts is so cpu intensive that the pi can't keep up?
[8:16] <Eartaker> ParkerR: im going to order one soon
[8:17] <ParkerR> Eartaker, UUmm from what I gogoled raspbx was a distro?
[8:17] <Eartaker> yes
[8:17] <ParkerR> *Googled
[8:17] <ParkerR> Order a distro?
[8:17] <ParkerR> :P
[8:17] <Eartaker> oh i thought you were talking baaout the odroid
[8:17] <Jck_true> Not sure how much is lack of graphic acceleration... and how much is rendering 2.0gb of vector based charts :)
[8:17] <Eartaker> about
[8:17] <ParkerR> Hahaha
[8:17] <Jck_true> ANd how much is just bad coding in OpenCPN :)
[8:18] <Eartaker> put yeah i want to run a PBX on the pi so I can connect google voice to a VoIP phone
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[8:18] <Eartaker> im fashing my SD now
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[8:20] <Jck_true> Quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 1.7GHz - 89USD Whatttttttt?!?
[8:20] <Eartaker> Jck_true: yeah its crazy... look up the youtube vids
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[8:20] <Jck_true> Eartaker: There has to be a catch somewhere
[8:21] <Eartaker> made in Korea?
[8:21] <Eartaker> lol
[8:21] <Eartaker> not sure... there are many videos of it. I want to order one but have no idea what I would do with it
[8:21] <Jck_true> no display port...
[8:21] <ParkerR> What's worse then web browsing on the Pi? Web browsing via ssh -X user@remote chromium-browser
[8:21] <TAFB> this one? http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135341370451&tab_idx=1
[8:21] <Eartaker> Jck_true: its micro HDMP
[8:21] <Eartaker> HDMI
[8:22] <Eartaker> TAFB: yes
[8:22] <TAFB> nice
[8:22] <Eartaker> or this one http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135235611947
[8:22] <Jck_true> Eartaker: Thanks for the link - At half the price it looks alot more tempting than the Panda / Beagle boards
[8:22] <TAFB> Eartaker: dat's a lot o ports!
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[8:23] <TAFB> no sata?
[8:23] <Eartaker> Jck_true: just do some research... I have not played with this board yet but will soon i hope =]
[8:24] <Eartaker> TAFB: do you need SATA?
[8:24] <TAFB> yeah, for SSD
[8:24] <Jck_true> Buy a USB<->Sata converter for 5USD in china
[8:24] <Eartaker> the Pi wont do SATA...will it ?
[8:24] <TAFB> i did, but is's soooo slow over USB :(
[8:24] <TAFB> My Pi with SSD: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
[8:24] <Eartaker> oh
[8:25] <Jck_true> haha remind me of the guy on here few weeks back - Asking why the raspberry didn't have USB3.0...
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[8:25] <Eartaker> nice case
[8:25] <Jck_true> I tried explaining him that even many of the 1000 USD laptops you buy today doesn't even have USB3.0
[8:26] <TAFB> here's the I/O performance, Fast SD card on Pi, SSD over USB on Pi, and same SSD on Seagate Go Flex Home (running arch linux, 1.2ghz, 128mb ram): http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2012-12-23-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_hacked_with_Arch_Linux_SSD_test_vs_RaspberryPi.png
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[8:27] <TAFB> shows how important actual sata is for i/o :)
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[8:28] <Eartaker> or... SFTP
[8:28] <TAFB> i was running 30 e-mail domains (exim + citadel, webmail plus imap and pop3) and 8 websites, on the Pi! lol. i/o got murdered and everything slowed to a crawl. Loaded them on the go flex, everything runs peachy, even in 128mb ram! lol http://1676900148
[8:28] <Eartaker> I have no need for SATA
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[8:30] <ParkerR> Hexxeh, I know you cant do much to fix this but: compiled despotify on my Pi and everything goes fine until I hit enter on a song. It then segfaults. Do you have a build that might work or should I just stick with respotify for now?
[8:30] <ParkerR> Really like the desptoify interface
[8:31] <TeeCee> TAFB: How did you get that URL? Is it DEC encoded IP?
[8:31] <TAFB> http://www.elfqrin.com/LongIP.php
[8:32] <ParkerR> :O
[8:32] <ParkerR> Thats some URL shortener
[8:32] <TAFB> very freaky, yep
[8:34] <TAFB> alright, 2:30am here, big day tomorrow, gotta upgrade 14 windows XP computers with SSD drives, old computers that don't support trim, yay :) nite nite.
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[9:14] <martk100> Is it possible to run chromium-browser on archlinux?
[9:14] <ParkerR> Yes
[9:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Anything that runs on one linux distro can run on another (if compiled properly)
[9:15] <ShiftPlusOne> (in the context of raspberry pi)
[9:16] <martk100> ParkerR: SHiftPlusOne: In the Archlinux aur I can only see source for armv7. How do I compile for armv6?
[9:16] <ParkerR> There are some prebuilt ones for arm floating around
[9:16] <ShiftPlusOne> you could try being sneaky and just editing the pkgbuild file or whatever it's called. That often works.
[9:17] <martk100> ParkerR: Can you give me a link?
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[9:28] <Triffid_Hunter> hi, does anyone know how to remove the pops and crackle from the onboard audio out when programs start and stop playing sound?
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[9:29] <ParkerR> Triffid_Hunter, Not really possible. that is just what happens when the audio hardware gets initialized
[9:30] <Triffid_Hunter> ParkerR: was hoping there was some way to keep it initialised between programs opening and closing
[9:31] <Triffid_Hunter> perhaps I need to write a program that does nothing but constantly play silence
[9:31] <Triffid_Hunter> then let alsa dmix sort it out
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[9:36] <Kubsle> f
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[10:25] <Joeboy> Is there some straightforward way of installing the kernel headers for the default raspbian kernel?
[10:26] <Joeboy> google and apt are not being immediately forthcoming
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[10:30] <ParkerR> Joeboy, apt-cache search header
[10:31] <Joeboy> Currently installing linux-headers-3.2.0-4-common linux-headers-3.2.0-4-rpi
[10:32] <Joeboy> I guess that's what I want
[10:32] <Joeboy> (one of both of them)
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[10:32] <ParkerR> Joeboy, and config.txt entry
[10:32] <ParkerR> # Set params for "raspbian debian-style kernel" boot
[10:32] <ParkerR> kernel=vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-rpi
[10:32] <ParkerR> initramfs initrd.img-3.2.0-4-rpi followkernel
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[10:33] <Joeboy> Oh Ok. That's odd.
[10:34] <Joeboy> So, is it not possible to just install the headers for the default version?
[10:35] <ParkerR> Noy sure
[10:35] <ParkerR> I know rpi-update pulls from https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[10:35] <Joeboy> I'll just do what you suggest. Ta.
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[10:39] <k1i> is anyone here familiar with the network-manager package and dbus integration thereof?
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[10:41] <Triffid_Hunter> I tried networkmanager once.. it completely broke my network configuration and could not be made to work
[10:41] <k1i> oh
[10:41] <k1i> I am trying to use it in a read-only setting
[10:41] <k1i> to be able to get system interface info via dbus
[10:42] <k1i> but after googling, etc, I can't figure out why it wont work on rpi - the ip4address reads as "/"
[10:47] <Davespice> morning
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[10:48] <dape8708> hey there
[10:49] <dape8708> i wonder what's the lightest syslog for a small toy like pi.. metalog, rsyslog, syslog-ng or old plain sysklogd..
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[10:58] <FR^2> yeah, more raspberries coming to me by farnell... But the broken one sent by RS still lies around and RS didn't react on my inquiry
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[11:21] <ryanteck> Hia!
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[11:35] <gordonDrogon> dape8708, just turn it off...
[11:35] <dape8708> syslogd? why?
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> unless it's doing something critical, or public facing, is there really a need to log various random stuff?
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> note that I do have servers, etc. that do log stuff, but for stuff rattling round a private LAN, I often don't bother.
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> I do prefer the older sysklogd to the new rsyslog though. Just make sure you '-' the filenames in the config file to stop the fsync on every write - that's a performance killer on something like the Pi if it starts logging frequently.
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[11:46] <k1i> gordonDrogon you linux guru, have you ever used NetworkManager?
[11:48] <dape8708> gordonDrogon, nice idea, okay
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[12:03] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Wait what - You saying that I shouldn't run the backend for my 200 000 pacemaker customers on my RaspberryPi?
[12:03] <ryanteck> 0.o
[12:04] <ryanteck> pacemaker being the heart thingys?
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[12:12] <Joeboy> Jck_true: When Amazon web services went down a while ago there was a support request along those lines
[12:13] <Joeboy> https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=65649&tstart=0
[12:14] <ryanteck> at least if one Pi breaks you can just put it in another
[12:14] <Joeboy> ...after two weeks, when Farnell deign to send you one
[12:15] <Joeboy> (ok, you might have a spare)
[12:15] <ryanteck> It's why you have two if your using it in business ;)
[12:15] <ryanteck> And I got my replacement within 1 week for one of mine
[12:15] <Joeboy> but if you're that sensible, you wouldn't be running your cardiac monitoring system on aws
[12:15] <ryanteck> Nor do I think on a RPi
[12:16] <Joeboy> :-)
[12:16] <dape8708> wait, you guys had issues with your pis ?
[12:16] <ryanteck> I had one issue with one of my 3
[12:16] <ryanteck> turned out to be a genuine issue
[12:16] <Joeboy> No issues with my 1
[12:16] <ryanteck> I would have been very confused if it was a "User error"
[12:17] <ryanteck> The USB / Lan chip went on mine, kept resetting every few seconds
[12:17] <ryanteck> that and the charger CPC sent with it was giving me electrical shocks which probberbly broke it
[12:18] <dape8708> the only problem so far was that a 1A adapter wasn't enough to power one of my pis with a ms comfort curve 2000 keyboard and network but with another one of 1.2A worked well
[12:21] <ryanteck> hmm
[12:21] <ryanteck> I have 2 0.7A chargers
[12:21] <ryanteck> an 1.2A charger for my tablet
[12:22] <bge> Need to get a better charger myself
[12:22] <ryanteck> But normally I find it easier to just use my PC
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[12:22] <ryanteck> (Protop you shouldn't)
[12:22] <bge> The only spare keyboard is logitech g11
[12:22] <ryanteck> protip* - Fail :(
[12:22] <dape8708> PC usb gives like.. 0.5A ?
[12:22] <bge> 0.7A charger in use atm
[12:24] <ryanteck> Actually on a USB3 port I think a Pi should be perfectly fine running off a PC
[12:24] <Triffid_Hunter> dape8708: in theory it gives 0.1A until the device asks for up to 0.5A which is then provided. in practice most PC USB ports have nothing but an 0.5A polyfuse between system 5v and the port, which generally won't open below 0.8-1.2A
[12:24] <ShiftPlusOne> I think in most cases it will run fine on a desktop pc usb port anyway
[12:24] <mjr> most probably
[12:25] <ryanteck> Yeh I find it fine, but if needed USB3 gives 0.9A out
[12:25] <ryanteck> Probs a bit more
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[12:26] <ShiftPlusOne> In reality, they provide whatever the hell they feel like and the specifications are more of a vague suggestion.
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> k1i, Hi. I never use networkmanager.
[12:27] <k1i> gotcha
[12:28] <ryanteck> I wonder if you could do "Troll physics" with a Raspberry Pi
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> All my PCs, Pi's are hardwired - some use dhcp, some static IP addresses.
[12:28] <k1i> with /etc/network/interfaces?
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> My Laptops use dhcp and I use the WiCd program to access Wi-Fi on them.
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> k1i, yes with /etc/network/interface.
[12:28] <k1i> gotcha
[12:29] <Triffid_Hunter> most of my computers have eth0 and wlan0 bonded for active backup, preferring eth0
[12:29] <Triffid_Hunter> try setting that up with networkmanager ;)
[12:29] <k1i> I am trying to develop an embedded device on the rpi platform
[12:29] <k1i> need to easily be able to write a web interface to change networking settings fluidly
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> k1i, not that hard...
[12:29] <ryanteck> I think I know my next youtube video :3
[12:29] <ryanteck> Pi powering Pi!
[12:30] <k1i> networkmanager uses dbus, so its fairly "easily" - lol - implemented, I guess
[12:30] <mjr> it could work by backpowering the first pi from its usb host ports
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> k1i, Hm. I did that some 10 years ago - developed a litle small office firewall/file server applicance...
[12:30] <Triffid_Hunter> ryanteck: is that the one where you hook the first pi to a 10A bench supply and see how many you can chain before the end one won't run properly?
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> Heh... you'll lose a fraction of a vold on each one via the polyfuse...
[12:31] <ryanteck> brb
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> volt, even...
[12:33] <k1i> I guess I could write a wrapper for ifconfig
[12:33] <k1i> or /etc/interfaces
[12:33] <k1i> I want it to be fairly user friendly tho
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[12:35] <gordonDrogon> I re-write /etc/network/interfaces in my app.
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> my little embedded pbx does the same.
[12:35] <k1i> I am a firm believer in "simplest solution is usually the best"
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> biggest issue is writing root owned files from php... butI wrote a wrapper to enable that.
[12:36] <k1i> are there required permissions on ~/interfaces?
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> nothing special, but the files are normally owned by root.
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[12:36] <k1i> my main thing is
[12:36] <k1i> if say wlan0 or eth0 get misconfigured
[12:37] <k1i> or the device goes crazy
[12:37] <k1i> I need to have a physical button sequence (konami?) to set eth0 back to dhcp and standard settings
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> jumper over the gpio pins.
[12:37] <k1i> commercial
[12:38] <k1i> no access to the pins
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> put a little botton somewhere - the sort you push with a paper clip...
[12:38] <k1i> ah
[12:38] <k1i> good idea
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[12:38] <k1i> and then perhaps just CP a fresh /interfaces file
[12:38] <k1i> and restart
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[12:39] <gordonDrogon> something like that...
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[12:40] <gordonDrogon> I run my little PBXs purely from RAM, so a 128MB ramdisk for the OS and 128MB for linux. You can get a lot into 128MB if you try.
[12:40] <k1i> it would be cool if the devices could just fire up an ad-hoc network with dhcpd running or something
[12:40] <k1i> to connect and reconfigure if the need ever arose
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> it should be fine with a 512MB Pi, but I've no inclanation to try.
[12:41] <Triffid_Hunter> k1i: 169.254 block is set aside for ad-hoc networks
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> my idea was to never write to the OS part of the CF card it booted from.
[12:41] <k1i> Triffid_Hunter: I was just thinking in terms of autoconf
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[12:46] <nid0> fwiw my webserver pi currently serves everything directly from ram, it just has a 30MB ramdisk thats formatted and mounted on boot and everything copied from the disk, and apache executes from there
[12:46] <nid0> works very well
[12:47] <darknite> and apache performs well on it?
[12:47] <nid0> yep
[12:48] <darknite> i haven't tried the limits of my pi, but i figured that nginx would be a more lightweight choice for webserver
[12:48] <nid0> http://www.ratherdisturbing.co.uk - thats my pi-served wordpress install, nothing on it but loads very quickly
[12:48] <nid0> nginx or lighttpd are very light on resource usage for static content, but for dynamic php code you might just as well use apache
[12:48] <k1i> i have ruby 1.9.3 running rails and thin smoothly
[12:49] <k1i> I wish I could run mongodb
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[12:51] <gordonDrogon> in the 128MB ramdisk I use, I have a bare-bones debian system, apache, php & asterisk with room to spare. The asterisk sound files are kept on CF storage on a read-only partition.
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[12:52] <gordonDrogon> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> /dev/ram0 136M 84M 52M 62% /
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> Ah, that's a 140MB system :)
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> I just don't have inclanation to do this on the Pi though although it makes an OK asterisk server, but the issues with the Ethernet sort of put me off. I'm really not sure it can handle many calls.
[12:53] <k1i> what issues?
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> VoIP needs low latency full duplex. it's also small (160 byte) packets at 50/sec in and 50/sec out - per call.
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[12:54] <gordonDrogon> so any issues that detract from that are going to give you call quality problems.
[12:55] <k1i> did you create a web interface to smooth over the /interfaces file
[12:55] <k1i> or did you just provide a raw editor for it?
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> web interface.
[12:55] <k1i> things like the ability to toggle dhcp on/off, etc?
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[12:56] <k1i> lol 100mbps downstream
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[12:57] <gordonDrogon> k1i, the 'acccess box' I did 10-12 years ago was a dhcp server, but there was pages to configure it.
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> what's 100mbps downstream?
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[12:57] <k1i> er
[12:57] <k1i> the VOIP
[12:57] <opieng> hi all, anyone have any neat solutions on attaching a mini camera to the Raspberry pi?
[12:57] <k1i> so the interface is only half-duplex?
[12:57] <k1i> and you can only get full speed one direction
[12:57] <k1i> ?
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> speed isn't everything - yes, the pi is 100Mb/sec and VoIP needs 80Kb/sec, but it's the full-duplex nature and the packet rate that's critical in VoIP
[12:58] <nid0> the ethernet port itself handles duplex but its hooked up to a usb hub, it isnt a dedicated lan interface
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[12:58] <k1i> ah
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> it's no worse than Wi-Fi which is somewhat sub-optimal (IMO) for VoIP
[13:00] <mjr> I'm not very pessimistic about the voip prospects but it's certainly something to keep in mind (and perhaps benchmark in practice)
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> I've been "doing voip" for 5 or 6 years now - won't say I'm an expert, but I have a feel for what is easy and what's not :)
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[13:03] <mjr> at some point there was a huge overhead for small packets on the usb ethernet - but only for one direction, don't recall which. If that's still the case, it might amplify the potential latency issues nastily.
[13:03] * linuxstb finds VOIP relatively straightfoward, apart from when it comes to SIP and NAT
[13:03] <k1i> SIP and NAT is unfortuante, honestly
[13:04] <k1i> ipv6 would make the VOIP world so much nicer
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[13:04] <gordonDrogon> that's just part of the problem. greedy ISPs are another.
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[13:06] <gordonDrogon> and attitude. Skype is free, so selling voip is hard - especially if the call quality isn't 100%. people (even businesses!) will put up with crappy skypeee quality as long as its free and it's impossible to compete with that.
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> so I've more or less given up selling it, just maintaining my existing VoIP customers until I work out a new plan...
[13:07] <k1i> PBX is where you can sell it
[13:07] <k1i> heh
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[13:07] <k1i> that, and proper DID porting and management
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[13:08] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I was goin for a coffee and somehow got distracted... to the coffee engine, batman!
[13:09] <ryanteck> gordonDrogon skype is quite handy in most ways
[13:09] <ryanteck> a lot simpler for people to use as they already know how, some VOIP software people find confusing
[13:09] <Joeboy> Hopefully webrtc will kill it
[13:11] <Joeboy> or at least make it interoperate
[13:11] <ryanteck> Model A is now on sale in Europe!
[13:12] <Joeboy> Yeah!!?
[13:12] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: I'm surprised you say businesses don't care about quality. I setup a VOIP system for our company, and our priority was definitely quality (and reliability) above price (we chose AQL as our provider, and have been happy)
[13:13] <ryanteck> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3215
[13:13] <Joeboy> ryanteck: It's true! blimey!
[13:13] <ryanteck> http://uk.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-moda-256m/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-a-256mb/dp/2254699
[13:13] <ryanteck> I predict 1 Hour til there sold out
[13:14] <nid0> linuxstb: most companies dont agree
[13:14] <k1i> I easily got mine from newark
[13:14] <k1i> my model b
[13:14] <ryanteck> I would get one but I would never use it, a Pi without network is usesless to me
[13:14] <ShiftPlusOne> ryanteck, <grammarnazitime> *they're </grammarnazitime>
[13:14] <ryanteck> My grammar is bad, I got an E & D in english
[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Same here =)
[13:16] <Armand> ShiftPlusOne, BAD grammar.. you missed some spaces. ?_?
[13:16] <ryanteck> I did get a few Bs and a C
[13:16] <ryanteck> Don't remember getting any As
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[13:17] <ryanteck> wow, not gone down in stock at all
[13:18] <ShiftPlusOne> There are only three things that really get to me though (they're/there you're/your and 'could of'). I normally leave it, since my own English sucks as well.
[13:19] <ryanteck> God, its been almost one year since the Pi came out
[13:19] <ryanteck> I remember waking up at like 5:55AM
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[13:19] <k1i> model-A seems like a wifi machine
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> linuxstb, quality has always been my priority, but when people can get free calls they'll put up with less than excellent.
[13:20] <ShiftPlusOne> model A seems perfect for a lapdock
[13:20] <k1i> carPC
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> might wait a bit - just bought 2 new Pi's too.
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[13:23] <ryanteck> I only really use 2 out of my three at the moment
[13:23] <ryanteck> one is mounted to a wardrobe the other on my desk
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[13:27] <gordonDrogon> might sell one on friday though at the local LUG meet. you never know.
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[13:28] <ryanteck> I have an LUG meet near me soon
[13:28] <ryanteck> Not sure if I should go to i
[13:28] <ryanteck> t
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[13:28] <ryanteck> Hate to say it but the google plus invite looks like a lot of older people
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[13:31] <gordonDrogon> they probably are. boring old folks like me :)
[13:32] <ryanteck> Little scared going to something with a lot of older people
[13:32] <ryanteck> Im very anti social as it is at college
[13:32] <nid0> I suppose it depends firstly on your definition of "older"
[13:33] <ryanteck> about 20-40 years
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> well that's ok. I'm positively ancient by that standard then...
[13:38] <ryanteck> Sorry......
[13:39] <markllama> don't be sorry about ancient. It
[13:39] <markllama> It's experience!
[13:39] * markllama suspects he's ancient by any standard.
[13:39] <ryanteck> I'm too young half the time
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[13:43] <nid0> I reckon i'm somewhere comfortably in the middle
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> I am more than 3 times ryanteck's age...
[13:44] <ryanteck> ...
[13:44] <ryanteck> So either i'm very young or your old for computing
[13:44] <ryanteck> xD
[13:44] <ryanteck> You would have a lot more experience than me
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> I don't think anyone can be too old for computing.
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> but I started at your age.
[13:45] <ryanteck> hmm
[13:45] <ryanteck> I started at 7 or 8 I think
[13:45] <ryanteck> I had my own PC from around that age
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> computer hadn't been invented when I was 7 or 8 ...
[13:45] * ryanteck has to go and hunt through the backups somewhere
[13:45] <ryanteck> My PC was magical
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[13:45] <gordonDrogon> well, not quite true, however... easilly accessible computing was almost unheard of.
[13:45] <ryanteck> It had lights of red and blues and greens
[13:46] <ryanteck> and a really cool graphics card which allowed me to run around the computer in a 3D envrioment to open up an application such as word or C&C Red Alert 2
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> we typed commands back then. Hm. I still do ...
[13:47] <ryanteck> I do more typing of commands now than when I first got a computer
[13:47] <nid0> my first computer ran dos and Pathfinder
[13:47] <ryanteck> Ran Win XP I think
[13:47] <ryanteck> Had 1GB of memory
[13:47] <ryanteck> 2.3 Ghz CPU I think
[13:47] <ryanteck> Amd athalon
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_9800_series_desktop_computers <-- first computer I typed at.
[13:49] <ryanteck> Brb
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[13:50] <Joeboy> ZX Spectrum. Probably a closer analogue to the rpi than the BBCs, I reckon.
[13:50] <Joeboy> BBCs were the ones only the rich kids could afford
[13:51] <ryanteck> aha
[13:51] <Joeboy> Sinclair cut costs and corners at every opportunity
[13:51] <ryanteck> 2005
[13:51] * linuxstb had half a BBC - an Electron
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[13:53] <ryanteck> Found the image :D
[13:53] <ryanteck> https://twitter.com/ryanteck/status/298413896740515841/photo/1 - Me in 2005 with my first computer
[13:53] <ryanteck> You can guess what my favorite color is
[13:54] <ryanteck> BRB for about 10
[13:54] <Davespice> wow gordonDrogon, thats old school :)
[13:54] <Davespice> it's a BBC Micro B for me, at primary school
[13:55] <Davespice> in secondary school it was these, RM Nimbus 186; http://www.surfplus.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/rm_nimbus_pc.jpg
[13:55] <Armand> ryanteck, looks like a PC case I have in the shed.
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[13:57] <opieng> hi all, anyone have any neat solutions on attaching a mini camera to the Raspberry pi?
[13:58] <SixtyFold> anyone have the best suggestion where to buy pi besides newark or is that everyones best suggestion?
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[14:01] <SixtyFold> id love to buy it off amazon because i wanna use that account but all those people are gouging the price so bad it's pathetic the greed on that shit, 59 usd when they paid 35 ona non-profit project
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[14:09] <ShiftPlusOne> I think you are asking about buying in America specifically?
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[14:09] <fairuz_> Hi guys
[14:10] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, my 2nd experience was with a dial-up modem (acoustic coupler @ 110 baud!) on a tty 33 to the local computer centre - you dialled the number and asked for basic, then they connected you!.
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[14:10] <fairuz_> Is it ok tu supply rpi with a unstable power supply?
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> I just don't have any nostalgia at all for "PC's" ...
[14:11] <fairuz_> It's solar, so sometimes there will be not enough power. So I'm afraid if the filesystem will be corrupt or something
[14:11] <Davespice> heh cool, those are the ones where you can see each line coming up one char by char?
[14:11] <ShiftPlusOne> unstable as in unregulated?
[14:11] <fairuz_> ShiftPlusOne: No, as in there is probability that the power will be cut off
[14:11] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, if there's not enough power, corruption is quite likely, yes.
[14:11] <fairuz_> My concern is just on the corruption issue
[14:12] <fairuz_> Which storage device that is not prone to these kind of things?
[14:12] <fairuz_> what about emmc?
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I think anything other than the sdcard. I don't know for sure, but I think using something like ext3/4 over usb might get around the issue.
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[14:13] <fairuz_> So there is storage type factor and filesystem factor too?
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[14:14] <Macer> hm
[14:14] <Macer> how can i install unrar-nonfree?
[14:14] <Macer> i have nonfree in apt.sources
[14:14] <Macer> doesn't seem to have it in the repo i suppose :-/
[14:15] <ShiftPlusOne> filesystem - definitely, storage - not 100% sure, but the sdcard driver is prone to corrupting data, especially when overclocking, cutting off power or using a bad voltage.
[14:15] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't personally had my pi corrupt any data yet.
[14:17] <Triffid_Hunter> fairuz_: if you're worried about corruption from flakey power, mount root read-only and push data over the network
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[14:22] <FR^2> So. who of you is using the raspi to watch DVDs and using what software? Did you purchase the key for the mpeg2 decoder?
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[14:23] <SixtyFold> ShiftPlusOne - yes, im near chicago in the usa, so im referencing buying in the USA specifically, i cant find s&h info on newark, maybe i need to sign up first, but is there anyone else actually selling it at actual cost in the US?
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[14:24] <ShiftPlusOne> SixtyFold, I am not sure, I was just trying to clear up the question so that it's more likely that someone will answer.
[14:24] <SixtyFold> ShiftPlusOne - np, thanks
[14:25] <SixtyFold> i dont mind waiting but if i have to pay s&h from newark anyways i know a dude on the up and up on ebay selling it for 47 s&h included
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[14:34] <Kristina> Hm, how hard would it be to hook up a JTAG debugger to a RPi?
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[14:38] <fairuz_> ShiftPlusOne: Triffid_Hunter: oh ok thanks for the suggestion
[14:39] <fairuz_> ShiftPlusOne: So ext3 is a good candidate?
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[14:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, as long as you have journaling on, I think so.
[14:40] <fairuz_> Triffid_Hunter: No network available. This thing will be left alone somewhere in the middle of nowhere for days. :)
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[14:41] <dape8708> Kristina, try #raspberrypi-dev too
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[14:44] <fairuz_> Triffid_Hunter: ShiftPlusOne: I will read some sensors data and save the data in the storage. One other way to avoid corruption is to frequently flush the data to the disk right? I wonder how we can achieve this? Can we disable caching in the ram or something similar
[14:44] <fairuz_> ?
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[14:45] <ShiftPlusOne> in theory you can run 'sync' each time you write, but It won't really do anything, since it will probably sync straight away anyway.
[14:47] <Triffid_Hunter> fairuz_: you might be able to attach a large capacitor, and add an ADC to monitor its voltage so the rpi has warning that the power is failing
[14:47] <Triffid_Hunter> fairuz_: that is unless you have batteries or something, in which case monitor those instead
[14:48] <fairuz_> Triffid_Hunter: Great idea!
[14:49] <Triffid_Hunter> fairuz_: when you detect power is failing, sync and remount root readonly. anything that can go in a tmpfs should go in a tmpfs, eg boot service statuses etc
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[14:50] <cityLights> hi all
[14:50] <cityLights> how to reduce memory used by gpu?
[14:50] <SixtyFold> anyone in the USA able to tell me what shipping and handling was from newmark for rPi?
[14:50] <Triffid_Hunter> fairuz_: there's also stuff you can do about _how_ the data is written.. eg always create a new file for new data, then delete old files if there's not enough free space.. there's a discussion somewhere about how dhcp manages its lease files in as atomic a fashion as is possible
[14:51] <cityLights> I tried to put gpu_mem=32 in /boot/config.txt
[14:51] <Triffid_Hunter> fairuz_: may also want to separate data from operating system partitions, and leave the OS partition readonly during boot. this way, the OS can't be taken out by power disappearing unexpectedly
[14:51] <pronto> SixtyFold: if you're in usaland order from MCM electronics
[14:51] <SixtyFold> pronto - thanks, will check it out
[14:51] <cityLights> yet: vc_mem.mem_size=0x10000000
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[14:51] <SixtyFold> i am indeed in amerikaLand
[14:52] <pronto> ordered two Pi's from them, got here with in a week or so
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[14:54] <cityLights> where can I download arm240_start.elf from?
[14:55] <ryanteck> cityLights I think its done using config.txt now and not different elf files
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[14:55] <cityLights> I tried putting 32 yet the gpu uses 256Mb
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[14:56] <ryanteck> not fully sure, have you tried using Raspi-config?
[14:57] <TeeCee> Anyone here knows gnuplot/pywws and can help me with som colorization of the graph? :D
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[14:57] <ShiftPlusOne> cityLights, that's not needed anymore.
[14:57] <ShiftPlusOne> cityLights, the memory split is now defined in config.txt
[14:57] <BCMM> TeeCee: not sure what it has to do with the pi, but i know some gnuplot
[14:57] <ShiftPlusOne> make sure you update your firmware
[14:57] <cityLights> what is your start.ellf md5?
[14:58] <ShiftPlusOne> can you pastebin your config.txt
[14:58] <ShiftPlusOne> also, https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update might be a good idea if you're using an old image
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[14:59] <ShiftPlusOne> can't check the md5sum right now.
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[15:10] <cityLights> yep it was an old start file
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[15:16] <Joeboy> Is there some lovely person with a stock raspbian install that could paste the contents of their /boot/config.txt and /boot/cmdline.txt ?
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[15:18] <FR^2> Joeboy: Download the image, mount it, read it?
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[15:18] <Joeboy> Ok
[15:20] <Joeboy> ...can I actually do that? It's not a partition image, it's a raw disk image
[15:21] <fairuz_> Triffid_Hunter: thanks for all the great suggestions.
[15:21] <fairuz_> I will go into mounting the OS partition to read only, and prepare additional partition for my data
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[15:29] <IT_Sean> Morning!
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[15:30] <pronto> http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/17v55o/xbmc_file_traversal_vulnerability/
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[15:53] <gordonDrogon> Vlad, ping...
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[16:31] <smiba> Oh, Hey! There is a raspberry channel xD
[16:31] <IT_Sean> ...
[16:31] <IT_Sean> Yes. Yes there is.
[16:31] <IT_Sean> Welcome.
[16:31] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:32] <ShockAbsorber> Hi...
[16:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm model A ordered
[16:32] <IT_Sean> WOOT!
[16:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=2254699&CMP=i-bf9f-00001000
[16:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> or http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/product/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-type-a/raspberry-pi-type-a-single-board-computer-256mb/7568317.aspx
[16:33] <ShockAbsorber> Anyone using wordpress on the pi?
[16:33] <IT_Sean> I saw on the website this morning that they are shipping the Model A to Europe now.
[16:34] <IT_Sean> Soon to be shipped to the rest of the globe.
[16:34] <nid0> ShockAbsorber: http://www.ratherdisturbing.co.uk
[16:34] <nid0> thats an (empty) install I have on a pi
[16:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> ShockAbsorber http://www.dingleberrypi.com/
[16:35] <ParkerR> RaTTuS|BIG, Better yet. Buy a model B, take off the USB hub/ethernet controller, and bridge two bad with a 0ohm resistor (piece of wire) Basically makes it a model A with 512mb of RAM
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[16:35] <ParkerR> *bridge two pads
[16:36] <ShockAbsorber> cool, I was able to get something similar on my pi...but not sure how to link it to a URL like that, or make it available outside my home network.
[16:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> bt still draws more power - model A is perfect for other things
[16:36] <nid0> ShockAbsorber: first step is buy a domain if you dont have one, or use any number of free URL services
[16:36] <ParkerR> RaTTuS|BIG, Not much more power. The extra power the B was pulling is from the usb hub/ethernet chip
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[16:37] <ParkerR> Take that out and it's about the same power consumption
[16:37] <ParkerR> If no the same
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[16:37] <ParkerR> *not
[16:37] <ShockAbsorber> Nid: TY...ok. Was afraid of that. i guess I need to get a Fixed IP address then. also a ay item...getting more expensive.
[16:37] <ShockAbsorber> pay item that is...
[16:38] <IT_Sean> You will either need a fixed IP, or a DynDNS type service.
[16:38] <nid0> you can get free dns addresses from... free
[16:38] <ParkerR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1EihTxIdnQ
[16:38] <nid0> its your choice if you want to spend ??5 on a domain
[16:38] <IT_Sean> A fixed IP would be preferable, of course.
[16:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> I have model B 256MB [and a 512] 256 is just what I need in some things
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[16:38] <ParkerR> RaTTuS|BIG, Thats the video describing it
[16:38] <ShockAbsorber> free dns address?! Cool! TY, I'll check into it.
[16:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> yarg see it
[16:39] <ShockAbsorber> Also: How do you do your wordpress website on a PC and upload it to the pi? Working on the pi is Waaaaay too slow.
[16:39] <nid0> whats slow about working on the pi?
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[16:39] <nid0> you wget the wordpress package, extract it, and its there
[16:39] <nid0> takes like 20 seconds
[16:40] <IT_Sean> nid0: i think ShockAbsorber is talking about doing the content creation on his PC, as he feels the pi is too slow for that. Not the actual install itself.
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[16:41] <IT_Sean> That said... if you have WP running on the Pi, can't you publish from any web browser, including one on your PC, phone, tablet, etc... ?
[16:41] <nid0> well in that case you just login to the wordpress install from any browser
[16:41] <ShockAbsorber> The GUI...but maybe my memory for the GPU is too low. as I am typing the usage meter on the bottom right is up at the top and it doesn't accept the characters I am typing.
[16:42] <nid0> forget the pi's gui, if you're planning on using it as a server ditch the ui and any screen/keyboard you have hooked up, and access it via ssh
[16:42] <ShockAbsorber> you can use wordpress without the GUI?!
[16:42] <ShockAbsorber> I hate the GUI!
[16:43] <nid0> wordpress and your pi's gui have nothing to do with each other. maybe you should clarify what you're doing and what you're wanting to do
[16:43] <ShockAbsorber> ok, i'll look up SSH, thanks
[16:43] <IT_Sean> you can publish content from the web broswer on your pee cee.
[16:43] <IT_Sean> you do not need to do it directly on the pi
[16:43] <Kubsle> hey I have B with 256MB, there are a lot of performance jump when I change it to model 512?
[16:43] <nid0> Kubsle: depends entirely on what you're doing with it
[16:43] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[16:43] <IT_Sean> How much ram are you using now?
[16:44] <ShockAbsorber> I'm following an example on how to get the pi online
[16:44] <ShockAbsorber> from a book
[16:44] <Kubsle> I for a lot of thinks
[16:44] <Kubsle> but sometimes for XBMC
[16:44] <Kubsle> xbian distro
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[16:44] <ShockAbsorber> I think it said to set the 32k
[16:45] <ShockAbsorber> Actually, I am using the adafruit distro and the book's directions, maybe there is a conflict.
[16:46] <ShockAbsorber> adafruit=occidentalis, I think.
[16:46] <IT_Sean> Kubsle: if you are running close to the 256mb limit on your current Pi, then upgrading to the new rev might be a good idea. That said, if you are currently not using all of the 256mb available on your current Pi, then upgrading to the 512mb model will give you no benefit.
[16:47] <Kubsle> XBMC when I running movie uses 60% mem in ps aux
[16:47] <Kubsle> so I thing I won't get any benefits
[16:47] <Kubsle> I think*
[16:48] <IT_Sean> So, it sounds like xbmc is using a little over half of the available memory.
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[16:48] <ShockAbsorber> So, so I can log onto the pi by using my pc and going to the address 192.168.72.1 or something like that, and it picks up the index.html file on the pi...but how do you upload? I haven't used FTP in about 15 years...but I am guessing it is something like that, and I need to find a way to 'log in' and 'get write access' to that folder?
[16:48] <IT_Sean> Don't let us talk you out of getting one... 'cause you can do some interisting stuff with multiple Pis, but, if your only reason for upgrading is the 512mb of RAM, it sounds like you won't really see the benefit with your stated usage.
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[16:48] <nid0> you dont need to upload anything from your pc to your pi to install wordpress
[16:49] <IT_Sean> ShockAbsorber: have you ever used wordpress?
[16:49] <nid0> have you actually managed to get a webserver, php, and mysql running on your pi yet?
[16:49] <ShockAbsorber> Nid0: yes...
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[16:50] <Torikun> yo
[16:50] <nid0> so login to it via ssh (using putty or any other ssh client), navigate to your web folder, wget the wordpress install package, extract it, login to the mysql command line, create a database and mysql user, then access the wordpress package's folder via any browser and itll run you through the install process
[16:50] <ShockAbsorber> I just need a decent webpage editor on the pi cmd line now I guess...that way I don't need the pc.
[16:50] <nid0> no need to upload anything from your pc to your pi
[16:51] <ShockAbsorber> Ok, I'll go look up this 'ssh' thing now and see what it is.
[16:51] <IT_Sean> ShockAbsorber: to publish stuff to your wordpress blog thinger, you don't need to do the content creation on the Pi. You can do it from any PC, via Wordpress's web iinterface.
[16:51] <IT_Sean> did he really just say "this 'ssh' thing" ?
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[16:51] <zleap> ShockAbsorber, why not use a gui one on the pi and use via ssh -X to view grapical apps over the network
[16:51] * DDave copy pastes that into notepad, lines to remember
[16:51] <DDave> :D
[16:52] <ShockAbsorber> is it a program?
[16:52] <zleap> bluefish is a web editor
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[16:52] <zleap> but geany does html highlighting
[16:53] <ShockAbsorber> ok. is ssh like starts?
[16:53] <ShockAbsorber> oops...startx
[16:53] <nid0> it gives you a command terminal like the one where you type startx to start your gui yes
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[16:56] <ShockAbsorber> ok, i'll try it, thanks!
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[17:03] <gordonjcp> hi
[17:03] <gordonjcp> I'm trying to create a raspbian image on a Windows machine but I don't know where to start
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[17:04] <gordonjcp> the Easy SD Card Setup page says to use Wn32DiskImager but there doesn't seem to be a download link for it
[17:05] <bge> http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
[17:06] <gordonjcp> aha, a zip file
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[17:06] <gordonjcp> now how do I install it?
[17:06] <gordonjcp> (I'm completely new to this Windows)
[17:06] <bge> You unzip it
[17:06] <bge> http://www.rarlab.com
[17:06] <bge> ^ with that
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[17:07] <lee> nah, use 7zip, 7zip.org
[17:07] <ryanteck> 7zip is better ^^
[17:07] <bge> Or that, personal preference
[17:07] <ryanteck> Or you can just use built in unzipper
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[17:08] <bge> 7zip doesn't let you queue extractions
[17:08] <bge> Which is why I mostly use winrar
[17:09] <gordonjcp> o_O
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[17:11] <gordonjcp> hrmm, lost
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[17:14] <SixtyFold> thanks for the look out, but MCM isnt any cheaper than buying from amazon or ebay with s&h, the s&h is horrible with MCM, 13 usd
[17:15] <ParkerR> So
[17:15] <ParkerR> I am starting to wonder why the powersave govenor is set by default
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[17:15] <ParkerR> It wasn't even going up to my base arm_freq
[17:15] <ParkerR> Was staying at 700
[17:15] <lee> gordonjcp: download raspbian image. unzip image. run win32diskimager, tell it where the unzipped image file is, tell it which drive to write the image to
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[17:16] <ParkerR> ondemand is working much better
[17:16] <gordonjcp> lee: run whatnow?
[17:16] <gordonjcp> lee: you're assuming that I know how to do that on Windows
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[17:16] <bge> The program we just linked to you
[17:16] <bge> http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
[17:17] <lee> I'm assuming you downloaded it from http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ like bge said a few minutes ago
[17:17] <bge> Since it's a zip file, you need to unzip it first, with 7zip or winrar
[17:17] <gordonjcp> yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to do that
[17:17] <bge> Then you download the raspbian image and upzip that as well, again, using 7zip or winrar
[17:17] <gordonjcp> you know what, this is doing my head in
[17:17] <gordonjcp> I'll just do it in Linux at home
[17:18] <lee> download it from http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/files/latest/download?source=files
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[17:18] <bge> Start up Win32 Disk Imager, point it to where you extracted the aforementioned image and point it to your usb stick/sd card
[17:18] <gordonjcp> yeah, I'm trying to figure out where it's downloaded it to
[17:19] <bge> Probably in your user folder, under Downloads folder
[17:19] <bge> Depends on the browser
[17:19] <bge> Might be on the desktop
[17:19] <lee> oh, can't help you with that, depends on your OS and browser settings...
[17:19] <gordonjcp> don't know what OS, Windows of some sort, looks like early KDE4
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[17:20] <gordonjcp> it's definitely not NT 3.5, I used to know how to drive that ;-)
[17:20] <gordonjcp> aha, found it
[17:20] <Hoerie> right-clicking on 'My computer' and selecting properties should tell you
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[17:21] <gordonjcp> okay, now how do I know what device it's going onto?
[17:21] <bge> Computer -> check for removable drives
[17:21] <nid0> how many devices are there in the dropdown
[17:21] <nid0> if the answer's 1, its that one
[17:21] <gordonjcp> just one, "F:\"
[17:21] <bge> Or the name of your usb thing
[17:21] <gordonjcp> oh that's simple enough
[17:22] <gordonjcp> yeah, just one
[17:22] <bge> Hehe
[17:22] <bge> :P
[17:22] <bge> Probably that then
[17:22] <Hoerie> it's refreshing to see someone used to linux try and bend their head around windows instead of the other way around ;-)
[17:22] <gordonjcp> man I thought that Windows was supposed to be easy and Linux was supposed to be for borderline autistic geeks
[17:22] <nid0> windows is easy
[17:22] <bge> Windows is easy
[17:22] <gordonjcp> you have to be the Rain Man to figure this stuff out
[17:22] <bge> Mac is easier
[17:22] <bge> But Windows is very easy
[17:23] <gordonjcp> *if* you're used to it
[17:23] <nid0> and also if you're used to any form of ui at all
[17:23] <gordonjcp> nid0: well making stuff happen is easy
[17:23] <Hoerie> I remember trying to find out how to really close an application on Mac, only to find out it was Apple-button Q much later
[17:23] <gordonjcp> making the *right* stuff happen is where a spot of local knowledge comes in handy
[17:24] <gordonjcp> nid0: can you drive a car?
[17:24] <gordonjcp> nid0: I bet you'd struggle to get a backhoe moving, without the instruction manual
[17:24] <gordonjcp> but if you're used to any sort of throttle pedal and steering wheel at all... ;-)
[17:24] <bge> Not if you've used a different kind of a backhoe before
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[17:25] <bge> Pointless to argue since it doesn't help your case either way :P
[17:26] <gordonjcp> well yeah
[17:26] <bge> If you don't know how, you don't know how
[17:26] <gordonjcp> it's a silly analogy
[17:26] <bge> You ask
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[17:26] <gordonjcp> also, if you can drive a Case backhoe you will be deeply weirded out by a JCB
[17:26] <gordonjcp> but that's probably not relevant either
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[17:29] <gordonjcp> yay, done
[17:30] <gordonjcp> thanks for all the help, with this strange and baffling ordeal
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[17:31] <bge> :)
[17:32] <swart> if you have the right attitude you can figure out anything :)
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[17:35] <FR^2> Hooray, today three raspi B were delivered by farnell and now the response by RS concerning my non-working raspi got in
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[17:39] <steve_rox2> guess i have to endure rpi model A unboxing vids on utube now
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[17:40] <IT_Sean> Yup
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[17:42] <FR^2> I'm not quite sure what the benefits of model A are...
[17:42] <steve_rox> trying to find page on power consumption comparison
[17:42] <FR^2> Ah, okay.
[17:42] <nid0> the model A uses about 1/3 as much power, and costs less
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[17:43] <IT_Sean> The Model A will be primarily used by schools. The Model B is more in line with the needs of Devs doing Dev-ey things.
[17:44] <steve_rox> like faster file transfer
[17:44] <steve_rox> :-p
[17:44] <FR^2> interesting for headless installations. Not sure if it can power a wlan usb stick
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[17:45] <fperkins> ordered my pi, but 6 weeks to deliver :-(
[17:45] <steve_rox> wonder when the cam module will appear
[17:45] <mjr> people have managed to run wifi sticks on the B, so it'll probably be fine on the A what with more power being available for the USB
[17:46] <IT_Sean> FR^2: any USB wlan stick that wokred on a B will work on an A
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[17:46] <FR^2> sure, but on B I don't have the need for a wlan stick ;)
[17:46] <steve_rox> how do you plug in keybord? usb hub time?
[17:46] <IT_Sean> You can plug most keyboards right into the pi...
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[17:47] <steve_rox> if it only has one usb
[17:47] <steve_rox> wifi+keyboard
[17:47] <IT_Sean> then you need a hub, if you want more than one device
[17:47] <nid0> ...
[17:47] <nid0> or you buy a model b
[17:47] <IT_Sean> Or that.
[17:47] <steve_rox> oh well
[17:47] <nid0> you know, the one with 2 usb ports
[17:47] <IT_Sean> :p
[17:48] <steve_rox> wonder if someone will make a hack to disable lan chip by a jumper switch
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[17:48] <steve_rox> wellprobly more than one jumper
[17:48] <FR^2> Yes, that's the thing, but as soon as you have a working headless installation, you don't need the hub anymore, the wlan stick is the only usb device ;)
[17:48] <IT_Sean> I doubt it. It would be more than a simple one jumper affair, steve_rox
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[17:49] <steve_rox> i said more than one ;-)
[17:49] <IT_Sean> And leep in mind, disabling the lan chip also disables the 2nd USB port.
[17:49] <IT_Sean> *keep
[17:49] <steve_rox> exactly
[17:49] <IT_Sean> I see... you want a Model A Model B switch
[17:49] <IT_Sean> Innnnnteresting.
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[17:49] <steve_rox> just a speculaton
[17:49] <IT_Sean> I think some of the traces you would need to jumper might be in an inner layer...
[17:49] <steve_rox> econimy power switch mode ;-)
[17:50] <IT_Sean> So... not really something you could do at home.
[17:50] <IT_Sean> But, it's a very interisting concept.
[17:50] <IT_Sean> I wouldn't mind seeing a Model C, with that function. I doubt it'll happen, though.
[17:50] <dape> second usb port is linked to ethernet port/usb?
[17:50] <IT_Sean> dape: yes.
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[17:50] <IT_Sean> The ethernet is actualyl a SUB device plugged into the same hub in the chip that provides the 2nd USB port
[17:51] <dape> is that the lower usb? so i should use the upper port with ethernet together and avoid plugging to second?
[17:51] <IT_Sean> *USB
[17:51] <steve_rox> there was that guy from utube that de soldered his lan chip and made it a 512 mdl A
[17:51] <steve_rox> he was in here the other day
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[17:51] <steve_rox> he jumped a few tracks to get usb back online
[17:51] <steve_rox> works fine
[17:52] <Essobi> nice
[17:52] <mjr> dape, both of the USB ports on the B are on the same hub
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[18:22] <Hopsy> is it possible to monitor 3g signal?
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[18:23] <Hopsy> I cant find a kit in the shop of adafruit
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[18:24] <TLoFP> Good Day, has anyone gotton SPI to work on the RPI?
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[18:24] <Hopsy> TLoFP: whats that?
[18:25] <TLoFP> Hopsy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Peripheral_Interface_Bus
[18:25] <swart> TLoFP: Adafruit has an arduino version, did you check if they've made a pi version?
[18:26] <swart> http://guy.carpenter.id.au/gaugette/blog/2012/11/08/controlling-an-adafruit-spi-oled-with-a-raspberry-pi/
[18:26] <TLoFP> yes, python.
[18:27] <TLoFP> I was trying to do this over C
[18:27] <TLoFP> but thanks for the link, I was following another tutorial
[18:27] <swart> haven't tried it myself :)
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[18:29] <TLoFP> http://www.brianhensley.net/2012/07/getting-spi-working-on-raspberry-pi.html
[18:29] <swart> TLoFP: do you use something like a Gertboard for GPIO or just direct connection to the pi board?
[18:29] <TLoFP> swart: direct GPIO on RPi
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[18:30] <TLoFP> I am looking to achive close to 20Mbit/s throughput
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[18:31] <swart> through the UART?
[18:31] <TLoFP> no
[18:31] <TLoFP> UART is a differn interface
[18:31] <TLoFP> the RPi has two hardware SPI interfaces
[18:32] <TLoFP> theoretically capable of running at 20 MHz
[18:32] <TLoFP> so an almost 20 Mbit/s throughput should be approachable
[18:32] <swart> I see. I guess the arduino library wouldn't be much use then, because it won't take advantage of the SPI hardware?
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[18:33] <blabla_> Hello, Im trying to stream a webcam from a home server using vlc to the pi. Using OMX player on the pi end its reading the UDP stream fine(tried rtsp and others) but the lag is terrible, 7 + second delay, any ideas on how this could be reduced?
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[18:35] <swart> TLoFP: did you see this? http://www.open.com.au/mikem/bcm2835/
[18:35] <blabla_> using vlc to vlc from to PC's the steam is less than 1 second
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[18:35] <blabla_> oops two, not to
[18:35] <linuxstb> Well, one of the tos should be two ;)
[18:36] <linuxstb> blabla_: I've always found omxplayer slow to start playing a stream, it's just the way it is...
[18:37] <linuxstb> You could experiment with different container formats - what are you using now?
[18:37] <blabla_> shucks, thought there might be a way to reduce the caching level or something, thanks for the input :)
[18:38] <blabla_> using mpeg2
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[18:39] <blabla_> seems like OMXplayer was my best chance, since I've read that its the only player that supports hardware decoding
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[18:41] <blabla_> has anyone tried MPlayer for receiving a stream?
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[18:44] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, 32MHz.
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[18:45] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, that link from BrianH is quite old now - you don't need a new kernel - the standard Raspbian one works quite well.
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[18:46] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, what is is that you're hooking up?
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[18:49] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, I put some stuff together for the Pi's SPI here: https://projects.drogon.net/understanding-spi-on-the-raspberry-pi/ and some easy to use wrappers for the SPI deivce access here: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/spi-library/
[18:50] <xiambax> Hey gordonDrogon
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[18:53] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: thanks for the reply
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> xiambax, evening...
[18:53] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: I am doing some ADC
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, ok. a popular thing, it seems :)
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[18:54] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: its crucial in the world of electronics : )
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, yea, I meant a popular thing for people to add into their Pi's...
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[18:55] <xiambax> gordonDrogon: Mornin :D
[18:56] <swart> xiambax: you need to keep your local clock on CET so your head is in the right space :)
[18:56] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: alright, following your instructions. lets see how it goes
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[18:56] <IT_Sean> it's afternoon, i think you will find, xiambax
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. my clock is GMT... 17:58 here ..
[18:57] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: also my SPI slaves are only capable of 20 MHz
[18:57] <IT_Sean> 12:57 here
[18:57] <swart> my body is in California but my IRC client is in Germany. my clock is 18:00
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, not an issue. what chips are you using?
[18:58] <TLoFP> LTC2449
[18:58] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: I was just saying, because that justifies why I stated a max SPI speed of 20 MHz
[18:58] <TLoFP> I have 112 channels, or 7 of these devices
[18:59] <TLoFP> I want to see how fast I can read them all
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, accurate but not that fast.
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> Hm.you have a lot :)
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[19:00] <TLoFP> yes :)
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[19:06] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: the wiringPi on your git.drogon.net is just a mirror, or did you write that?
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, git.drogon.net is my main git repository.
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> it's not mirrored anywhere. the one on github is maintained by someone else who uses it to make wrappers for python, ruby, etc.
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> your issue might be addressing more than 2 of these on the Pi.
[19:08] <TLoFP> I see
[19:09] <TLoFP> well, after I get something to work I will want to play with low level access
[19:09] <TLoFP> as long as I can tell the RPi to put out a clock
[19:09] <TLoFP> and tell it what to put on the MOSI pins, read on the MISO pins, then I can controll the slaves by bitbanging GPIO ports
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[19:10] <DGMurdockIII> hi
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, that's a solution - you could use other GPIO pins as the select pins.
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[19:13] <Tachyon`> can you have the pi put out a reliable clock without a real time kernel?
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[19:14] <TLoFP> thanks gordonDrogon I now have spidev0.0 and spidev 0.1
[19:14] <isasha> Is it normal that rtorrent is taking over an hour to install?
[19:14] <TLoFP> now to see if I can manage to put a clock on the CLK pin : )
[19:14] <mgottschlag> there is a section about GPIO clocks in the peripheral reference, but no idea how that works
[19:14] <DGMurdockIII> are there any good patterns that people have made for a basic square case so i can have somthing tape to my case
[19:14] <mgottschlag> "The General Purpose clocks can be output to GPIO pins."
[19:15] <mgottschlag> you have little control about the PLLs behind it
[19:15] <DGMurdockIII> so use with stand offs
[19:15] <mgottschlag> but you have a stable 19.2MHz oscillator
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[19:17] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, great :)
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, I've just been playing with that...
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[19:18] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, essentially you can route the 19.2MHz clock via a divider into a small number of the GPIO pins - realistically only one on a Rev 2 Pi thought.
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[19:19] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, I've not properly documented it yet, but: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=275973#p275973
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> I never bothered to put anything into the code to control the MASH filter though...
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[19:31] <swart> gordonDrogon: what do you mean by dividers? is that done by the cpu?
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[19:32] <mgottschlag> no, in hardware
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[19:34] <xiambax> Bahaha. My inbox is exploding
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[19:35] <edgy> Hi, I want to buy one of those miniture things but I am lost, .eg. raspberrypi or mk808?
[19:36] <edgy> what's the use cases of each?
[19:36] <swart> edgy: best to check the forums
[19:37] <swart> there are a ton of youtube videos
[19:37] <edgy> swart: I am looking at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKNPnBE-ouI
[19:37] <edgy> swart: but it didn't answer my questions, can I install archlinux in both of them? or the mk808 just for android?
[19:37] <swart> well it's pretty unrealistic to list the use cases of a general purpose computing device in an irc channel :)
[19:38] <swart> don't know anything about mk808
[19:38] <swart> arch runs on pi
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[19:39] <edgy> swart: all the books, all the docs, speak about raspberrypi, the others seems nice but no enough info :(
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[19:39] <swart> edgy: it's 2013. a shortage of info is the least of my problems :)
[19:40] <edgy> swart: really? you just mentioned you don't know about mk808, doesn't this might mean shortage of info for that device?
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[19:41] <gordonDrogon> swart, there is a hardware divider after the 19.2MHz clock before it gets to the GPIO pin.
[19:41] <swart> this is not an mk808 channel. there are lots of things I don't know about
[19:41] <swart> gordonDrogon: thanks I was just looking at the code
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> swart, so you can divide it down to almost any frequency within the limits of a 12-bit divider and a 12-bit fraction.
[19:42] <swart> I just installed wiringpi but I will have to wait until I get home to play with the hardware
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[19:43] <swart> I don't have any SPI devices but I have an i2c display I can use. I was thinking a little clock might be a nice starting point
[19:43] <edgy> swart: thanks for your care
[19:43] <linuxstb> edgy: What do you want to do with it?
[19:44] <edgy> linuxstb: install linux for my kids, so they can learn as much as possible
[19:44] <swart> edgy: pi is great for that
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[19:44] <gordonDrogon> get a breadboard some LEDs, ressitors and switches for simple IO stuff too.
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> Just lighting an LED can be great.
[19:45] <swart> yes I've got a lot of those things kicking around
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[19:45] <gordonDrogon> you'll be at-home then :)
[19:46] <edgy> swart: ok thanks
[19:47] <swart> I'm more of a software guy, and I understand basic logic circuits. I struggle with limiting resistors and capacitors however :)
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> swart, for simple stuff stick to a 220 or 330?? resistor for LEDs on the Pi.
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> that's all you need.
[19:47] <Hodapp> hmmm... haven't used my MK802 for much besides Netflix
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> red red brown, or orange orange brown :)
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[19:48] <xiambax> exit
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[19:49] <swart> gordonDrogon: yes I think I've gotten past burning out LEDs
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> stage left, followed by a bear ...
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> swart, :)
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> if a man has tired of burning out LEDs, he has tired of life.
[19:50] <IT_Sean> Exactly
[19:50] <swart> hehe
[19:51] * IT_Sean grabs a handful of small LEDs, hookes them up to a 12v source, and flips a switch. [fzzzl] [pop!] [pop!] [pop!] [pop!]
[19:51] * IT_Sean grins
[19:51] <swart> well I'm just trying to avoid expensive mistakes. but as long as I haven't wired anything up to my laptop how expensive can it be? :)
[19:52] <IT_Sean> Just don't release the magical blue smoke
[19:54] <swart> yesterday I desoldered last week's clever mistakes
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> I've just connected an incandescent lamp to a Pi. 4.5volt, 200mA
[19:54] <swart> it would have been more cost-effective to just order new parts, but I got some practice at desoldering and some blisters on my fingers to help remind me to be more careful next time
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[19:55] <swart> gordonDrogon: is that with a gertboard? I want to move on to some high-voltage stuff soon
[19:55] * SpeedEvil has been pondering a silly 'tactical' led light.
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[19:56] <gordonDrogon> swart, yes, it is with a gertboard - but just using the uln2803 chip..
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> basically a palm-sized 1kW LED light.
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> which will melt if you use it for more than 10s
[19:57] <swart> I've got a couple of these sitting around, trying to figure out what to do with them http://macetech.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=9
[19:57] <bertrik> I think I've seen a LED light about 5 years ago that could be used to set stuff on fire
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[19:59] <Varro> any of you guys set up a LAMP before? (with lighttpd)
[19:59] <jfinn> I dont know if you can get that much heat from an LED light.. Sure youre not thinking of this: http://www.wickedlasers.com.hk/torch ?
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/bulb.jpg
[19:59] <IT_Sean> jfinn: some very bright, high powered LEDs require active cooling to not melt
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[20:00] <SpeedEvil> jfinn: yes
[20:00] <Zehle> Hello there!
[20:00] <Zehle> mdik: you there? :P
[20:01] <nid0> Varro: yes, many people
[20:01] <SpeedEvil> jfinn: there are 10w LEDs that emit the same amount of light as 10*10cm of sunlight at noon, and are 3mm square
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> you can make a light that emits a square meter worth of bright sunlight, with an emitter about 40mm in diameter
[20:02] <DGMurdockIII> are there any good patterns that people have made for a basic square case so i can have somthing tape to my case help when cutting out the hole for the cables and sd card slot and
[20:02] <DGMurdockIII> ribbin cable pin out
[20:03] <DGMurdockIII> i would like to make my own case
[20:03] <Zehle> I'm going to hook up a ds18b20 to my Pi, how should the code look to get the temperatures as variables in a python script?
[20:03] <SpeedEvil> one wire filesystem
[20:04] <swart> DGMurdockIII: there are a lot of case designs out there if you can get access to a laser cutter
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[20:04] <DGMurdockIII> but i want to have all the mesurments before i start
[20:04] <swart> check the wiki - looks like there are a lot here http://elinux.org/RPi_Cases
[20:04] <pksato> Zehle: first, decide how to access ds18b20, direct via gpio or kernel module access?
[20:04] <DGMurdockIII> swart: but what if i dont have a laser cutter
[20:05] <swart> many are open source so the measurements should be there
[20:05] <swart> then you need to do it more slowly :)
[20:05] <swart> you could probably do it want hand tools
[20:05] <Zehle> pksato: Will use the GPIOs but I find a webpage with a wiing diagram and everything so I'll try to solve it;) I'll update you!
[20:05] <swart> the main thing is knowing where to cut
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[20:07] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: I followed your instructions and I get output on MISO and MOSI but not CLK
[20:07] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: ha lol, as soon as I procced what I just said I realize that that implies I switched my MISO and CLK line :P
[20:07] <TLoFP> anyways, thanks for the epic write up
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, Ah, good - glad it's going!
[20:08] <pksato> Zehle: kernel http://blog.turningdigital.com/2012/09/raspberry-pi-ds18b20-temperature-sensor-rrdtool/
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[20:09] <gordonDrogon> I've not looked at the 1W stuff on the Pi myself yet.
[20:09] <FR^2> pksato: I still hate the usage of rrdtool ;)
[20:09] <pksato> Just ignore rrdtool stuff... :)
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[20:09] <FR^2> pksato: Alternatives?
[20:10] <pksato> for plotting? direct use of gnuplot?
[20:11] <ryanteck> Yuris Revenge / RA2 here I come!
[20:11] <FR^2> well, then I would have to implement my own data storage, because gnuplot doesn't work well on millions of measurement lines ;)
[20:11] <s5fs> pksato: that's a great link, love it! we've got php, python and perl listings on that page, not bad!
[20:11] <s5fs> plus, i loves me some rrdtool
[20:11] <s5fs> (too much cacti usage maybe)
[20:11] <pksato> I never used rrdtool. But I use lots mrtg.
[20:12] <s5fs> pksato: it's all rrd underneath, all hail tobias oetiker
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[20:17] <Kubsle> hello
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[20:18] <Kubsle> I'm newbie, I want to start programming, which lagnuage is the best for begginers?
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[20:19] <Zehle> pksato: What would you recommend? GPIO or Kernel
[20:19] <gordonjcp> Kubsle: good way to start a flame war
[20:19] <Kubsle> oh, sorry
[20:19] <hobo> Kubsle: this is the rpi channel
[20:19] <gordonjcp> Kubsle: Raspbian seems particularly geared up to getting new users to learn Python
[20:19] <hobo> not programming
[20:20] <gordonjcp> Kubsle: so asking in #python might be a good place to start
[20:20] <Kubsle> so start with python, thanks.
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[20:22] <|Jeroen|> i would rather go with php then python
[20:23] <|Jeroen|> python is crap :-)
[20:23] <Kubsle> ##started the flame war
[20:24] <swart> |Jeroen|: keep in mind this is for programming pi, not web sites
[20:24] * IT_Sean grabs the fire extinguisher, and points it at Kubsle
[20:24] <|Jeroen|> php can be used as cli to
[20:24] <|Jeroen|> i used it for gpio and stuff
[20:24] <|Jeroen|> works
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[20:25] <ryanteck> I use PHP for CLI once
[20:25] <ryanteck> It worked quite well
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[20:25] <ryanteck> Cron job every 24 hours to do stuffs
[20:26] <swart> all programming languages are computationally equivalent. nothing interesting to see here, move along :)
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[20:30] <gordonDrogon> Kubsle, Start with BASIC of-course ..
[20:30] <pksato> Zehle: kernel is more simple, to read temp, just open /sys/bus/w1/devices/28-*/w1_slave (or similar), read and close. Any prog. lang. do it.
[20:31] <ParkerR> http://withg.org/parkerlreed/rpi.png
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[20:36] <millerii> i'm trying to get ir module work with gpio but not lucky so far, i dont get any data with 'mode2 -d /dev/lirc0' when i press remote. i was thinking that does it matter that http://pastebin.com/Ht47CTYn there is last row "in lo" when aron's lirc site it is "in hi"?
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[20:37] <millerii> ir module is connected on raspberry gpio-23
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[20:39] <DJRWolf> since the Raspberry Pi uses a micro USB for a power plug, could one use somthing like this 24-port USB hub to power a bunch of them? http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e5be/
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[20:41] <ParkerR> DJRWolf, I dont see any mention of power output per port
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[20:41] <mjr> I doubt it even gives 500mA per port, and the model B (might) need(s) more
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[20:41] <ParkerR> mjr, Definitely needs more
[20:42] <ParkerR> Lowest recommended is 700 with little to no US connected
[20:42] <ParkerR> *USB
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[20:45] <ryanteck> ParkerR 700 Runs fine with USB connected
[20:45] <ParkerR> Ahh ok.
[20:45] <ryanteck> I normally can run perfect plugged into PC
[20:45] <ryanteck> I think if its wi-fi or heavy on power it requires more
[20:45] <ryanteck> But Keyboard and mouse shouldn't I don't think
[20:45] <ParkerR> Also. Two minutes after launching eclipse. Still no signs of it actually opening
[20:46] <ryanteck> I'm about to try putting Red Alert 2 on one of mine
[20:47] <ryanteck> Quick confirmation, a Class 4 SD card should be faster than an HDD in an computer which would have come with 95 or 98 on it yeh?
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[20:48] <ParkerR> Umm
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[20:48] <ParkerR> Can't really compare that
[20:49] <ryanteck> Yeh very hard to compare without knowing HDD speeds
[20:49] <pet0> hi
[20:49] <DJRWolf> thinking of making a large cluster system with dozens of Model B's, looking for ways to simplify power supply and thought large port hubs might work
[20:50] <pet0> i just installed raspbian and when i startx it seems a little slow lagging all the time.. is it normal?
[20:50] <ParkerR> 5 minutes after launching eclipse. Signs of life!
[20:50] <DDave> pet0, assign more memory to the gpu perhaps?
[20:50] <pet0> or would it help if i overclock the arm?
[20:50] <IT_Sean> DJRWolf: most hubs won't supply enough power.
[20:50] <pet0> DDave: will try thanks
[20:51] <fperkins> i saw an article recently with a supercomputer made of pi's
[20:51] <IT_Sean> I would recommend supplying 5v directly to the 5v GPIO pin on each Pi in the cluster.
[20:51] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: do you know of a down side of transfering 32 bits at a time?
[20:51] <IT_Sean> ... from a suitable PSU, of course.
[20:51] <ryanteck> Whats the Bitrate for class 4 SD card?
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[20:51] <DJRWolf> ok, thanks for the wisdom :)
[20:52] <IT_Sean> Your power supply should be capable of suppling 800mA * [number of raspis]
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[20:52] <Macer> ryanteck: i assume the class is actually the MINIMUM write speed to the SD
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[20:53] <ryanteck> hnm
[20:53] <ryanteck> well Minimum speed is 4MB/s
[20:53] <Macer> so a class 4 has a minimum speed of 4MB/s
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[20:53] <Macer> typically they go a little bit faster tho at least in my experience
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[20:53] <ParkerR> Umm
[20:53] <ParkerR> I have some class 4's that dont quite reach that at time
[20:54] <ParkerR> Wouldnt call that a minimum
[20:54] <ryanteck> well the oldest IDE HDD I have is 133MB
[20:54] <ParkerR> *times
[20:54] <ryanteck> I would guess average for a windows 98 PC is 66MB
[20:55] <Macer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speed_Class_Rating
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[20:55] <ryanteck> Yeh I just found that
[20:55] <ryanteck> Well I think the idea of it being the same as an 98 Computer HDD is a lot less
[20:55] <ParkerR> If you ever want a great staring contest http://withg.org/parkerlreed/eclipse.png
[20:55] <Macer> if it doesn't reach the minimum speed it is probably some noname or low quality sd
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[20:56] <Macer> or a misrated one
[20:56] <ParkerR> Macer, I only buy Sandisk
[20:56] <ryanteck> SanDisk here
[20:56] <Macer> ParkerR: could be a sandisk knockoff
[20:56] <ryanteck> I also have an unbranded Play.com one but I use my sandisk one 99% of the time
[20:56] <ParkerR> Umm
[20:56] <ParkerR> I doubt Radioshack sells Sandisk knockoffs
[20:56] <ryanteck> hmm, whats the class of the element 14 SD cards they send predone?
[20:57] <ryanteck> Yeh I would doubt Amazon selling knockoffs
[20:57] <Macer> maybe if it is from amazon direct
[20:57] <ParkerR> ryanteck, Amazon would be more likely. Since there are 3rd party sellers
[20:57] <Macer> but who knows... lots of people bought counterfeit capacitors
[20:57] <Macer> which ruined almost a decade of electronics
[20:57] <ryanteck> I always by direct from them, rarely via the 3rd party
[20:57] <Macer> even mainstream board manufacturers
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[20:58] <ryanteck> will this game work without a CD in
[20:58] <ryanteck> Moment of truth
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, assuming you mean via SPI - no - it's fine.
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, and it's actually the only way to do it - as the enable line gets toggled for every transfer which would reset the device if you tried to xfer e.g. 4 bytes one at a time.
[20:59] <ryanteck> Idea failed of the no CD
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[20:59] <ryanteck> I guess I have to get my big external CD rom out
[21:00] <Macer> http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918
[21:00] <ParkerR> Actually my latest SD card (and current Pi card) is a 16gb Sandisk class 10 fro Radioshack. Somehow where I got it after tax it was 16 even
[21:00] <ParkerR> *from
[21:01] <fperkins> did you have to buy batteries with it?
[21:01] <ParkerR> Haha
[21:01] <Macer> i'm sure there are better more reliable places to read about fake SDs but they do happen
[21:02] <fperkins> I know a site all about fake sd's. Oh wait, that's dd's
[21:02] <Macer> and amazon buys from distributors as resellers just like anybody else
[21:02] <Macer> not sure if you have ever had to deal with a distributor but there are some shady ones
[21:03] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon thanks for the info, now why are we restricted to only two Slave Select lines, pin 8 and 7. Slave Select Lines don't need special hardware behind them, they just have to be able to toggle on and off, how can we make use of the other GPIO pins to toggle chips on and off?
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[21:03] <fperkins> i actually just bought a transcend 16gb class 10 yesterday
[21:03] <fperkins> from amazon
[21:04] <ParkerR> I dont know if it's my card or my power source but the Pi will only boot about 7 times out of 10. For the times it doesnt boot the green light just stays solid green
[21:05] <ryanteck> QQ
[21:05] <ryanteck> I need to go to the shed to get a USB cable
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[21:06] <ech0s7> hi all
[21:07] <ech0s7> i have attached to raspberry two usb device: wifi usb adapter and usb 3g modem. Seems that rpi does not have enough power to handle both
[21:07] <ech0s7> how can i check this ?
[21:07] <gordonjcp> ech0s7: it won't have enough power to handle one
[21:07] <ParkerR> ech0s7, Have a multimeter?
[21:07] <ryanteck> gordonjcp Not correct
[21:07] <ech0s7> yes ParkerR
[21:07] <ech0s7> i have it
[21:07] <gordonjcp> if you're going to use anything radio-y you really need a powered hub
[21:07] <ryanteck> I would guess it can just about handle one of them , Probberbly not both
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[21:07] <ParkerR> ech0s7, Check the voltage between TP1 and TP2 on the board
[21:08] <gordonjcp> ryanteck: meh, iffy
[21:08] <ryanteck> My Wi-fi adaptor works fine on it
[21:08] <gordonjcp> ryanteck: with pretty much any 3G stick you're sailing pretty close to the wind
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[21:08] <ryanteck> only uses about 100-140 at a max
[21:08] <gordonjcp> o_O
[21:08] <gordonjcp> what is it?
[21:08] <ParkerR> ech0s7, If it drops below about 4.5 or so you need a better power supply
[21:08] <mjr> the wifi is probably okay, yeah, the modem probably ... not
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[21:08] <gordonjcp> just the RF end of a 3G modem is going to pull at least a watt
[21:09] <ryanteck> I think it depends on the 3 modem
[21:09] <ngc0202> I still have no idea what to do with my RPi xD
[21:09] <gordonjcp> ngc0202: raspbmc
[21:09] <ryanteck> One of my 3G modems uses two USB ports to be able to work with power
[21:09] <Macer> i just turned 2 of mine into xbmc players and the 3rd one into a server
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[21:09] <ParkerR> I'm using my one Pi as a laptop
[21:09] <Macer> ParkerR: i was considering a 4th one for a "desktop
[21:10] <Macer> if it can run libre or openoffice
[21:10] <Macer> and sane heh
[21:10] <ParkerR> Macer, Its availble
[21:10] <ech0s7> with only wifi adapter attached T1-T2 measure 4.65v
[21:10] <ParkerR> I dont know about "running" it though :P
[21:10] <ryanteck> BRB all
[21:10] <ParkerR> ech0s7, Thats slightly low
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[21:10] <Macer> ParkerR: yeah i haven't met anybody who has used it yet heh
[21:10] <ParkerR> ech0s7, What is your power adapter rated at?
[21:10] <ngc0202> gordonjcp: what's that?
[21:10] <Macer> i would install it on my server one but xforwarding libreoffice the ssh overhead would be too high
[21:11] <gordonjcp> ryanteck: do you know what class 3G modem it is?
[21:11] <mjr> ech0s7, essentially you need a powered hub (possibly backpowering the pi through there while you're at it) or you need to power it through the gpio 5v/gnd pins which bypasses the input fuse and cross your fingers
[21:11] <ParkerR> mjr, Or just use a better power supply
[21:11] <ParkerR> Easiest solution
[21:11] * gordonjcp uses a 5.5V supply
[21:11] <gordonjcp> you lose a good 300mV across the polyfuse
[21:12] <gordonjcp> if the 5V supply or cable is in any way marginal, you will have problems
[21:12] <mjr> ParkerR, no, the input fuse will limit the current through the microusb power input, I doubt it lets through enough for both the wifi and the 3g stick no matter how good the power brick is
[21:12] <ParkerR> mjr, Where did you get a 3g stick from? All I saw him say was wifi and keyboard/mouse receiver
[21:13] <ech0s7> ParkerR: i don't know there isn't written behind the device
[21:13] <ParkerR> Oh I see
[21:13] <Macer> someone should just make a usb hub with a small battery that charges from the pi ports at their max
[21:13] <Macer> :)
[21:13] <ech0s7> i'm buying powered hub
[21:13] <Macer> yeah but with a powered hub you have all that clutter
[21:13] <Macer> heh
[21:13] <ech0s7> which must be the right value beetween TP1 and TP2 ?
[21:14] <Macer> i don't use my server pi as anything but a server so i just have it on top of my synology powered by its usb port
[21:14] <Macer> works fine
[21:14] <ParkerR> ech0s7, About 4.7 or 4.8 and up
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[21:14] <ech0s7> ok thanks so much for your time
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[21:15] <ParkerR> No problem
[21:15] <ryanteck> Brr its freezying outside
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[21:16] <ParkerR> So Eclipse: Running at the speed of snail
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[21:16] <ryanteck> Well I'm going afk for a bit
[21:16] <ryanteck> ttyl
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[21:17] <ech0s7> ls
[21:18] <ParkerR> Error ls command not found
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[21:19] <FrankBlues> ls: Can't find ld.so
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[21:20] <ParkerR> FrankBlues, Did you rm -rf root again? :P
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, the Pi internally only supports those 2 select lines.
[21:20] <FrankBlues> Maaan.
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[21:21] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, you could use ordinary GPIO lines as select lines - program them as outputs, set them high, then set one low, do the SPI xfer then set it high agaim immediately after.
[21:21] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: what is the reason for this? SS lines are equivalent to GPIO lines
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[21:21] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, the SS lines are controlled by the SPI hardware driver on the chip.
[21:21] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: yes, that is exactly what I would like to do, but how to disable the original slave select line
[21:21] <FrankBlues> Actually, in ye olde days, I compiled a new ld.so, then thought that deleting it and copying the new one was a good idea, without realising that cp, ls, rm, and the like all rely on ld.so. Reinstall of linux (Slackware 1, so about 25 "A" disks, and 11 or so "X" disks). :|
[21:21] <TLoFP> fancy
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, you can't disable them - I'd probably ignore them.
[21:22] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: ever tried bit bannging SPI?
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, no - it's possible to drive it directly, but I belive that using the kernel driver is the best way.
[21:22] <ParkerR> FrankBlues, ouch
[21:22] <ParkerR> We all have our moments
[21:22] <ParkerR> Like the time I accidentally rm -rf /usr/share on my Pi
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[21:23] <ParkerR> I had tried to tab complete something and without looking tapped enter
[21:24] <ParkerR> It hadnt tab completed
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[21:24] <ParkerR> Actually that was on debian on my laptop
[21:24] <ParkerR> I was so mad at myself
[21:24] <IT_Sean> that'll learn ya
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[21:25] <gordonDrogon> at least it wasn't rm -rf / use/share/
[21:25] <ParkerR> Haha
[21:25] <ParkerR> That requires extra work
[21:26] <ParkerR> --no-preserve-root
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[21:26] <gordonDrogon> really?
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[21:26] <ParkerR> Yeah
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[21:26] <gordonDrogon> since when?
[21:26] <ParkerR> rm prevent root deletion that way
[21:26] <ParkerR> *prevents
[21:26] <ParkerR> Quite a while
[21:26] * gordonDrogon sighs. More command bloat.
[21:26] <angelos> well, it protects you from rm -rf / usr/share
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> last time I did that on debian sarge it didn't need it.
[21:26] <ParkerR> Command bloat vs not accidentally erasing root
[21:27] <angelos> and that's the whole point
[21:27] <ParkerR> I take prevention for 100
[21:27] <angelos> I even like alias rm='rm -i' and dropping the habit of using -f
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> I've been using *nix for over 30 years now and not accidentally rm -rf /
[21:27] <TomWij> Hmm, I wonder whether --no-preserve-root is GNU or POSIX...
[21:28] <angelos> prolly GNU
[21:28] <ParkerR> angelos, -i is annoying if deleting a bunch of small files
[21:28] <ParkerR> *bunch of files
[21:28] <angelos> in which case I use -f
[21:28] <angelos> -f overrides -i
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[21:28] <angelos> but I've deleted files too often while accidentally typing rm instead of mv
[21:29] <angelos> or mistabbing
[21:30] <ParkerR> http://withg.org/parkerlreed/ide.png
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[21:30] <Cykey> Eww, java
[21:30] <angelos> eclipse on a pi?
[21:31] <mjr> ParkerR, yay
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[21:31] <ParkerR> Cykey, Are you the Cykey. The Cykey that is in a lot of other channels I frequent? :P
[21:31] <Cykey> ParkerR: Yuuup :P
[21:31] <ParkerR> angelos, Yes
[21:31] <angelos> my eclipse is at 331M memory usage right after startup, I don't even want to install it on a pi :P
[21:31] <enthusi> darn
[21:31] <enthusi> could it be that the recent omxplayer update is bad?
[21:31] <ParkerR> Cykey, Didnt we originally meet in #iphone on saurik?
[21:32] <enthusi> just upgraded
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[21:32] <Cykey> ParkerR: Probably
[21:33] <enthusi> /usr/bin/omxplayer.bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/omxplayer.bin: undefined symbol: vc_tv_get_display_state
[21:33] <ParkerR> Cykey, Oh I was qwertypo there if you werent remembering
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[21:33] <Cykey> oh, yes, I remember you now :P
[21:33] <ParkerR> Cykey, :P
[21:34] <ParkerR> Cykey, Not to be confused with qwertyuiop or however it was spelled
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[21:34] <Cykey> qwertyouiop
[21:34] <ParkerR> That
[21:34] <Cykey> or so
[21:34] <Cykey> :P
[21:34] <ParkerR> Cykey, Good time :)
[21:34] <Cykey> evasi0n!
[21:34] <ParkerR> *times
[21:35] <Joeboy> Does anybody have any educated opinions on how to write kernel modules? What is the right way to ensure a device node is created with suitable permissions with minimum fuss?
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[21:35] <angelos> system("mknod"); :P
[21:36] <Joeboy> I did device_create and created a /dev entry, but it's recreated as owned by root:root every time the module loads
[21:36] <ParkerR> Joeboy, You need to write a udev rule to change the permsiions or make it part of a specific grooup
[21:36] <ParkerR> That you can then add the normal user to
[21:36] <ParkerR> *permissions
[21:38] <Joeboy> ParkerR: Would it be reasonable to just make the source available as is and let hypothetical packagers worry about that?
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[21:38] <ParkerR> I guess...
[21:39] <ParkerR> Or you could learn a new skill udev rule writing
[21:39] <Joeboy> Yeah, but I'm not that bothered about it working on my box
[21:39] <Joeboy> I'd like it to be easy for other people to use
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[21:39] <Joeboy> or at least to not be too lazy about it
[21:39] <ParkerR> Joeboy, What are you working on?
[21:40] <ryanteck> what is the average max usb write speed on pi?
[21:40] <Joeboy> ParkerR: Various people are employing skanky hacks to get the uart to work at the MIDI rate of 31250, which linux won't readily do. I was trying to make a module that works with minimum fuss.
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[21:41] <ParkerR> Ahh
[21:41] <angelos> can the rpi turn other devices on via hdmi-cec? or just off?
[21:41] <Joeboy> It "works", but at the moment I'm not sure it's less fuss than the hacks it's supposed to replace
[21:41] <ParkerR> angelos, ON too
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[21:41] <Joeboy> I am not a kernel hacker :-)
[21:42] <angelos> ParkerR: do I have to enable that somewhere? or are there any restrictions?
[21:42] <ParkerR> angelos, What distro are you running ti on?
[21:43] <ParkerR> *it
[21:43] <angelos> raspbmc
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[21:44] <ParkerR> angelos, Settings > System > Video > Peripherals or Settings > Video > Peripherals
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[21:45] <ParkerR> Dont remember exactly where
[21:45] <ParkerR> Then just hit enter on the cec entry
[21:45] <ParkerR> It has options there
[21:45] <SwK> any experts on WiringPI around?
[21:45] <linuxstb> angelos: I think you may have to enable it on the other devices as well, not just the Pi
[21:46] <SwK> trying to figure out if WiringPI has interrupt handling with updated drivers
[21:46] <angelos> ParkerR: gonna take a look at that, thanks
[21:47] <angelos> linuxstb: specifically the powering? hdmi-cec in general works, the rpi can switch inputs on tv and av receiver
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[21:48] <linuxstb> angelos: I recall my TV having some settings related to power. Although it could just have been the other way round - the TV powering off devices.
[21:50] <angelos> yeah, I know my tv can power other devics off when it's turned off
[21:50] <angelos> gotta take a look at the av receiver's manual though, tons of hidden settings there
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[21:55] <steve_rox> so much for power saveing modes eh
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[22:15] <DGMurdockIII> is there a way to start the rasberry pi with a remote if it is off
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[22:16] <ParkerR> DGMurdockIII, If your TV has CEC it can tun it on
[22:16] <ParkerR> *turn
[22:16] <ParkerR> You might be able to do without with the GPIO pins
[22:16] <DGMurdockIII> what elec do i need to be able to do that
[22:16] <DGMurdockIII> eles
[22:16] <ParkerR> DGMurdockIII, Just a Pi and a TV that supports CEC
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[22:19] <gordonDrogon> if you power cycle it, it will reboot.
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> I have used this to effect when plugging in a display module - the display crowbars the PSU, so reboots the pi.
[22:19] <IT_Sean> DGMurdockIII: if it's plugged in, it's on.
[22:19] <DGMurdockIII> so press power on my remote wheile it on it would rebote
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> so I halt the Pi. remove the display (needs to be programmed in another PC), then plug the display in, it crowbars the power and reboots...
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> crude but effective.
[22:20] <IT_Sean> Why would you have it powered on, but halted?
[22:20] <IT_Sean> It'll still be using electricity...
[22:21] <DGMurdockIII> you know you can turn it off from the os
[22:22] <TLoFP> does anybody know how much current the GPIO pins can drive?
[22:23] <darknite> 25ma i think it's listed as
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[22:24] <darknite> hmm, can't find it when googling now though so maybe i made that number up
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[22:24] <TLoFP> darknite: is that per pin or in total?
[22:26] <darknite> sorry, it seems to be 16mA per pin, but not exceeding 51mA in total according to a element14 post
[22:26] <darknite> http://www.element14.com/community/message/65207
[22:26] <TLoFP> great
[22:26] <TLoFP> lets push 15 and see how it goes
[22:27] <IT_Sean> careful... if you try to draw too much current via GPIO, you could damage the Pi.
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, 16mA max.
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> however...
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> the current limit is the current that the pin is guaranteed to keep a voltage at to represent a logic 1.
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[22:29] <gordonDrogon> and by default that's 8mA.
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[22:29] <gordonDrogon> you can pull over 35mA out a single GPIO pin.
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> and you can reboot a Pi by shorting a pin to 0v, setting the drive strenght to max and turning it on.
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> I do these things so you don't have to...
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[22:30] <gordonDrogon> that's 100% not something I recommend by the way.
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[22:30] <IT_Sean> lol
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[22:31] <ParkerR> On Model B rev 2 boards, P6 is a jumper you can short to reset the Pi
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[22:32] <ParkerR> To the left of the HDMI port
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[22:33] * Joeboy loses a bunch of work to dead SD card. Could really have done without that.
[22:34] <ParkerR> Joeboy, :( What happened?
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[22:34] <IT_Sean> Joeboy: you just learned a valuable lesson in backing up your data
[22:34] <jelly1> Backups
[22:34] <Joeboy> Dunno. Just doesn't boot / work anymore.
[22:34] <jelly1> !backups
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[22:35] <Joeboy> It's the sister of another one I had that went the same way. Probably serves me right for not binning it.
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> can you check it in another PC?
[22:35] <Joeboy> My laptop wouldn't read it
[22:35] <ParkerR> Joeboy, Are you overclocking at all?
[22:35] <Joeboy> nope
[22:35] <IT_Sean> Have you been powering off the Pi without halting?
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[22:35] <Joeboy> Nope
[22:35] <SixtyFold> what's the highest anyones clocked it? 900mhz?
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[22:36] <jelly1> 1000
[22:36] <SixtyFold> how long did that last?
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[22:36] <ParkerR> SixtyFold, I did 1025
[22:36] <SixtyFold> nice
[22:36] <ParkerR> But with ondemand governor the filesystem started crapping itself
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[22:37] <dniMretsaM> SixtyFold: I'm running mine at 1GHz via Turbo Mode. Works without issue
[22:37] <Joeboy> "EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): bad geometry: block count 1925120 exceeds size of device (458240 blocks)"
[22:37] <SixtyFold> dniMretsaM - awesome
[22:37] <Joeboy> does that mean anything to anyone?
[22:37] <ParkerR> Luckily was able to set it back without too much damage. Only a handful of fsck's
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> have to say I've given up on overclocking.
[22:38] <gordonjcp> Joeboy: sounds like either the partition table or fs reckons your SD card is bigger than it reall yis
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> I had 3 Pis stable at 900MHz the old way, but when I moved to the new way I got more instability, so just stopped.
[22:38] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, "the new way"?
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> news way = "Turbo mode"
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> with the automatic speed up/down.
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> rather than being fixed at one speed.
[22:38] <ParkerR> Well forcing turbo is just a bad idea all together
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> My Pi's ran for months at fixed 900MHz.
[22:39] <KiltedPi> How does a 'transistor' work?
[22:39] <KiltedPi> How does it 'boost' power? Does it store it up?
[22:39] <[ill]will> how do i computer
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, witchcraft.
[22:39] <KiltedPi> :)
[22:39] <KiltedPi> It seems odd to me
[22:40] <KiltedPi> A 3.3v supply, stick a transistor on the circuit-
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, imagine a soft hosepipe with your fist round it. squeeze your fist and the flow slow down...
[22:40] <KiltedPi> Voila!
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, open your fist and the flow speeds up.
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, that's the best water analogy.
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> that I can think of.
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[22:40] <KiltedPi> See. I can understand that.
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[22:40] <KiltedPi> The magpi isn't as friendly as it could be
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> the squeeze is the voltage on the base and the flow is between the emitter & collector.
[22:41] <KiltedPi> I'm thirty yrs old, but had difficulty understanding it
[22:41] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, I like you
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, where are you from?
[22:41] <mjr> You put a little current into the transistor base and it'll flow a big current through the other two terminals. It's an electric switch, basically.
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> ParkerR, er, thanks :)
[22:41] <KiltedPi> Near Glasgow
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, ah neat. I'm originally from near Stirling.
[22:41] <KiltedPi> yeah, it talks about 'switching'
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> yes, the extremes act like a switch.
[22:42] <KiltedPi> I've read your website gordon, good stuff!
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> thanks.
[22:42] <mjr> (though you can use it as an analog component, we computer people frown on that!)
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> nah, analogs are good :)
[22:43] <KiltedPi> I loved the second issue or 1st... of the magpi
[22:43] <mjr> But yeah, the "big" current is also proportional to what you put into the base. To keep things relatively simple.
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[22:43] <KiltedPi> It used an analogy for electric current as a piece of string on a windy day
[22:43] <KiltedPi> and it being 'tied' down
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> analog computer: http://unicorn.drogon.net/slide.jpg
[22:43] <KiltedPi> to CMOS logic 1 or 0
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[22:43] <KiltedPi> "on" or "off"
[22:44] <KiltedPi> They need to use your analogy gordon!
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> in essence the current through the transistor is proportional to the voltage on the base.
[22:44] <KiltedPi> The transistor stuff is going to go way over an eight yr olds head
[22:44] <KiltedPi> Directly proportional?
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[22:44] <gordonDrogon> it depends on the transistor, range, temp. phase of moon ...
[22:44] <KiltedPi> :D
[22:44] <zleap> i had a book from tandy that explained stuff like tht
[22:44] <zleap> that
[22:45] <KiltedPi> I'm a newbie with electronics.
[22:45] <KiltedPi> Circuits, at least.
[22:45] <KiltedPi> I'm a coder tho.
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> some are designed to work more like switches, some designed like audio amplifiers.
[22:45] <mjr> at least it's not usually inversely proportional. Unless you fry the thing.
[22:45] <zleap> current at base allows current to go from collector to emitter, or not go depending
[22:45] <KiltedPi> I envisioned it like a capacitor
[22:46] <KiltedPi> That 'stored' up
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[22:46] <gordonDrogon> capacitor is like a baloon.
[22:46] <KiltedPi> Yeah
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[22:46] <mjr> yeah no, a transistor stores nothing
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[22:46] <gordonDrogon> transistor doesn't store.
[22:46] <KiltedPi> gordons analogy is great
[22:46] <KiltedPi> A squeezed hose
[22:46] <KiltedPi> Thats how I'll teach it
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> now imagine a billion of them inside a box and you have a processor ;)
[22:47] <KiltedPi> I used to love getting capacitors full up, and sparking them off the door handle in my physics class
[22:47] <KiltedPi> :)
[22:47] <mjr> now imagine a billion of them inside a box and you are hosed
[22:48] <KiltedPi> Apparently, no 1 individual fully understands how a CPU works
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> I've built sequencers with pure pneumatics... you can get pneumatic logic gates..
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[22:48] <xiambax> Siiiiick. TED Talks is coming to Whistler!
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[22:48] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, not sure - some of the early small CPUs are very well understood.
[22:48] <zleap> is this helpful
[22:48] <zleap> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-Electronic-Switches-Work-For-Noobs-Relays-and/step5/How-a-Does-a-Transistor-Work/
[22:48] <KiltedPi> Might of been a quote about a quad core
[22:48] <mjr> yeah it's the modern cpus that are magic
[22:49] <KiltedPi> No one individual understands all the processes in a quad core
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[22:49] <gordonDrogon> http://www.visual6502.org/JSSim/
[22:49] <zleap> ah
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[22:49] <zleap> seen that one before
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[22:50] <Torikun> http://phandroid.com/2013/02/04/sandisk-micro-sd-card-deals/
[22:51] <Torikun> will microsd work on pi?
[22:51] <Torikun> should with adapter right?
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> I've used kingston ones.
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[22:51] <Torikun> IO is worse on them?
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[22:53] <mjr> "depends"
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> I didn't notice.
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[22:54] <mjr> they can be decently fast, especially these days
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[22:54] <mjr> they're probably likelier to use n-level mlc and stuff which might make them slightly less reliable, but that's conjecture
[22:54] <thelambaster> Polycase raspberry pi card cases for FREE
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[22:55] <thelambaster> not really, but their site is vulnerable to client side attacks on the shipping price and even accepts negative values
[22:55] <thelambaster> Not actually advocating hacking them.
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> have you told them?
[22:56] <thelambaster> I tried to, but they haven't called me back. It tempts me to get a few free cases
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[23:02] <gordonDrogon> not terribly responsible though.
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[23:03] <mdik> Torikun: have you got the yacy search working?
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[23:05] <[ill]will> http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/88972/amazon.com-sandisk-memory-32gb-ultra-class-10-sdhc-memory-21-64gb-ultra-class-10-microsdxc-uhs1-memory-47-32gb-cruzer-usb-2.0-flash-drive
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[23:05] <[ill]will> cheap 32gb/64gb class 10 sd cards
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[23:10] <Torikun> no yacy lol
[23:10] <Torikun> u?
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[23:14] <Dagger2> ok, I did some routing benchmarks. the tl;dr is about 60 Mbit/s when you have iptables loaded
[23:14] <Dagger2> (the full version is at http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=YC1yj115)
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[23:15] <krosis> nice
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> surprises me that there is any difference with/without modules, but I presume you had some iptables rules as well as just loading the modules?
[23:16] <Dagger2> I didn't properly test to see how slow it gets with many iptables rules. it gets a bit slower with each rule, but nothing like the 30 Mbit/s drop that just loading the modules caused
[23:16] <Dagger2> nope, no rules
[23:16] <Dagger2> surprised me as well
[23:17] <Dagger2> well, I expected some drop from loading them... but not 30 Mbit/s
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[23:17] <krosis> maybe one or two modules in particular are causing the slowdown
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[23:19] <gordonDrogon> so it's not much use as a rouer then ;-)
[23:19] <Dagger2> I can test, but the modules I had loaded were all kinda required for a firewalling router
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> I have a 1GHz Intel router box with 8 Ethernets on it - 4 Gb, 4 10/100 and it routes over the Gb networks at more or less line speed...
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[23:20] <krosis> didn't you have all modules loaded?
[23:21] <Dagger2> x_tables, ip_tables, iptable_filter, iptable_mangle, nf_conntrack, nf_defrag_ipv4, nf_conntrack_ipv4, nf_nat, iptable_nat, ip6_tables, ip6table_filter, ip6table_mangle
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[23:21] <Dagger2> ohh... I guess it does conntracking even when not doing NAT
[23:21] <Dagger2> that would explain it
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> could be.
[23:22] <Dagger2> I think it's pretty useful as a router... if you're on ADSL
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[23:22] <Dagger2> our downstream is 60 Mbit/s though, so it'll be a tad slow once all my firewall rules and accounting is in place
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's in the limits for FTTC here.
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> I use an atom box, but I only have 15Mb/sec.
[23:23] <scummos^> hmm, I'm too stupid to use the gpio CLI tool
[23:24] <scummos^> what can one do wrong with that... the pins just don't toggle
[23:24] <scummos^> from python it works fine
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[23:24] <scummos^> I did gpio -g mode 11 out; gpio -g write 11 on
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[23:24] <scummos^> and I expected that to turn on pin #23 on the header
[23:25] <scummos^> but it doesn't
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> ?
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[23:26] <gordonDrogon> 11 is pin 26.
[23:26] <Dagger2> ok, unloading the conntrack modules gives ~87 Mbit/s. that explains that big drop
[23:26] <scummos^> huh, why is that
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> oh no - sorry...
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> 11 is not a pin.
[23:26] <scummos^> http://elinux.org/images/2/2a/GPIOs.png
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[23:26] <gordonDrogon> yea, brainburp there.
[23:26] <scummos^> ;)
[23:26] <scummos^> I assumed the -g would use the GPIO identifiers
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> 11 is #23.
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> so...
[23:27] <scummos^> yeah, alright.
[23:27] <scummos^> so... it doesn't toggle *g
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[23:27] <gordonDrogon> just in-case, try gpio -g write 11 1
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[23:27] <scummos^> hah
[23:27] <scummos^> that works
[23:28] <scummos^> the manpage even says it...
[23:28] <scummos^> thanks
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> yea, it should work.
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> /**/ if ((strcasecmp (argv [3], "up") == 0) || (strcasecmp (argv [3], "on") == 0))
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> val = 1 ;
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[23:29] <scummos^> -v says version 1.2 which is probably quite old, maybe you fixed it recently?
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[23:30] <scummos^> ha, so now I can go ahead to fully automatically reflash and reboot my microcontroller *g
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> er, 1.11 now ...
[23:30] <scummos^> heh ;)
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[23:31] <scummos^> well, updates on the pi are like... never touch a running system
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> absolutely.
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> just cd wiringPi ; git pull ; ./build to update it...
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> (famous last words ;-)
[23:33] <scummos^> ;)
[23:33] <scummos^> yeah, I should do that
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[23:33] * gordonDrogon ponders... was it in GIT at 1.2....
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[23:34] <scummos^> wait, I'll look it up
[23:35] <scummos^> no, it wasn't
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> ah well. a very old version then.
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[23:35] <gordonDrogon> probably with a static library too..
[23:35] <scummos^> yep -- I installed it when I got the pi, which was like 6 months ago, and never updated
[23:35] * gordonDrogon nods.
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> it's stood the test of time then :)
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[23:36] <gordonDrogon> cd ; git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi ; cd wiringPi ./build
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[23:38] <ngc0202> I know this'll probably sound like a stupid question
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[23:38] <ngc0202> But what're those two rows of pins do?
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[23:38] <gordonDrogon> those are the GPIO pins.
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> you can do "stuff" with them.
[23:39] <swart> there's a great web site that tells you all about it :)
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> many great websites :)
[23:39] <ngc0202> ok, I'll google around
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[23:39] <gordonDrogon> have a look on the wiki pages.
[23:39] <scummos^> gpio -g mode 10 out; gpio -g mode 11 out; gpio -g write 10 0; gpio -g write 11 0; gpio -g write 11 1; ./flash/lpc21isp -bin test.bin /dev/ttyAMA0 19200 12500; gpio -g write 10 1; gpio -g write 11 0; gpio -g write 11 1;
[23:39] <scummos^> isn't it pretty ;)
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> but you can use them in programs.
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, that's what shell-scripts are for :)
[23:40] <scummos^> it's in a makefile
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[23:40] <swart> you have blinky lights to tell you when your build is done?
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[23:41] <scummos^> no, this toggles the reset pin on a microcontroller, enables the bootloader, flashes the program, disables the bootloader, and restarts the controller
[23:41] <swart> why is it in a makefile?
[23:41] <swart> is it the install target?
[23:41] <scummos^> because I can type "make flash" to compile and re-flash my program
[23:41] <swart> interesting
[23:41] <zleap> if you want to use basic chat to gordon about return to basic,
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> I did something similar when I was playing with the atmega on the gertboard initially.
[23:42] <swart> I still think blinky lights to show build progress is a good idea :)
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> not sure these folks want to use basic, zleap ...
[23:42] <Davespice> Hello my name is Dave - and I am a Ricardian =)
[23:42] <gordonjcp> basic considered harmful
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> nah, that was goto....
[23:42] <gordonjcp> man, if only more 1980s home computers had come with Forth in ROM like the Jupiter Ace ;-)
[23:43] <scummos^> swart: well you get that for free if you attach a LED to the reset pin ;)
[23:43] <scummos^> which I did ofc
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> gordonjcp, there's a Jupiter Ace on ebay right now.
[23:43] <gordonjcp> :-O
[23:43] <scummos^> also it's not that useful, since the build process takes like... 1 second
[23:43] <swart> well some people were rebuilding the os on their pi :)
[23:43] <scummos^> now I just have to find out why this thing is so slow
[23:43] <scummos^> oh yeah
[23:43] <gordonjcp> gordonDrogon: I have one but the case has broken up, fragile vacuum-formed plastic that deteriorated
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[23:44] <gordonDrogon> yea, probably very susceptible to UV light too.
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[23:44] <gordonjcp> gordonDrogon: there are four!
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> 4 on ebay?
[23:44] <gordonjcp> yup
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> wow. I only saw 1 the other day.
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[23:45] <gordonjcp> two in the UK, one in Denmark and a 4000 in the states
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> Hm. see 1 sell, others jump on the bandwaggon :)
[23:45] <gordonjcp> hah
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[23:45] <gordonDrogon> hey ho. zed time now anyway.
[23:46] <gordonjcp> the one in Denmark is closer to me than the one in King's Lynn
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> more expensive postage though...
[23:46] <gordonjcp> naw
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> oh well - add to the collection.
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> anyway zzzzzz
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[23:46] <gordonjcp> I'll get my mate's in-laws to pick it up
[23:46] <gordonjcp> get it next time he and his wife are over
[23:46] <scummos^> just 1.7MHz toggling the pins... pretty ridiculous
[23:47] <scummos^> (the uC)
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[23:48] <gordonjcp> I wonder how hard it would be to write a bootable Forth environment on the RaPi
[23:49] <zleap> gordonDrogon, ok
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[23:49] <zleap> just thought to mention it so its an option
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[23:57] <SwK> now if I could just figure out getting gordonDrogon's lib to drive the LCD plate from Adafruit I'd be happy lol
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[23:59] <zleap> i just tried to take tje life in the Uk test, and failed, I would fair betterif I took the US immigration test
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