#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-02-05

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[0:01] <swart> zleap: you failed the drinking 5 pints after work section? :)
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[0:04] <gordonjcp> zleap: heh
[0:04] <gordonjcp> "Many other religions are explained to children in all the schools as part of their lessons in religious education in the UK"
[0:04] <gordonjcp> the answer is apparently "True"
[0:04] <gordonjcp> it bloody wasn't when I was at school
[0:04] <swart> that's true
[0:04] <swart> my kids did 2 and 3rd year in the UK and they had that in the curriculum
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[0:05] <gordonjcp> The voltage supplied to almost all properties in the United Kingdom is ______
[0:05] <gordonjcp> none of the answers supplied are correct
[0:05] <swart> 220V?
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[0:05] <gordonjcp> 110V, 150V, 240V and 480V
[0:05] <gordonjcp> the correct answer is 230V
[0:05] <swart> 240 is close enough?
[0:05] * gordonjcp has 230V and 415V
[0:05] <gordonjcp> three phase, bitches \m//
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[0:06] <gordonjcp> well I failed the test, with 62%
[0:07] <gordonjcp> which isn't bad after living in this country for 39 and a bit years
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[0:08] <swart> lol
[0:08] <swart> they'd probably deport you if you got over 90%
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[0:08] <swart> at least you'd get your name on a list :)
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[0:10] <PredaGR> hi all, trying to find the kernel config file but failing, can someone point me to the right direction"
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[0:17] <zleap> I am averaging 3 / 4 out of 4 on the US one
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[0:18] <pksato> Wow... Model A on sale...
[0:18] <ParkerR> Yeah
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[0:21] <ldionmarcil> how much is it?
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[0:21] <ParkerR> 25
[0:21] <ldionmarcil> not bad
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[1:24] <ivotkl> Hello everyone.
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[1:41] <DeliriumTremens> whats the fastest shipping US distro right now?
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[1:46] <ivotkl> I would like to know if anyone could briefly explain how Pi's warranty works, if any. And if it would work internationally.
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[1:47] <pksato> ivotkl: need to contact your seller.
[1:47] <chithead> generally you send it back to rs/farnell at your own cost. and if they find that the fault is covered by warranty, they will send you a replacement and refund your shipping cost
[1:54] <DeliriumTremens> bah, i guess nobody has them in stock
[1:55] <Torikun> what country?
[1:55] <DeliriumTremens> US
[1:55] <Torikun> you looking for a pi?
[1:55] <DeliriumTremens> i am
[1:55] <Torikun> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/content/en-US/raspberry-pi
[1:55] <DeliriumTremens> nice i just clicked into that site
[1:55] <Torikun> in stock
[1:57] <DeliriumTremens> thanks
[1:57] <Torikun> np
[1:57] <DeliriumTremens> freow, they get ya on shipping
[1:57] <Torikun> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-14387 "You are learning to use the small Linux based board, " I did not know boards were made from linux now
[1:57] <Torikun> yup
[1:58] <Torikun> when did linux start making circuit boards?
[1:59] <DeliriumTremens> i dont need another one that bad -.-
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[1:59] <PredaGR> anyone knows if the kernel in the git has CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION enabled?
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[2:01] <Torikun> really DeliriumTremens?
[2:02] <Torikun> i might have a code for shipping discount
[2:02] <DeliriumTremens> i might accept it -.-
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[2:02] <Torikun> ah jan 27 it ended
[2:02] <DeliriumTremens> hah, thanks anyway
[2:02] <DeliriumTremens> i'll sleep on it
[2:02] <Torikun> that is another day w/o a pie
[2:02] <DeliriumTremens> probably end up getting one anyway
[2:03] <DeliriumTremens> i already have one
[2:03] <DeliriumTremens> i want another
[2:03] <Torikun> oh
[2:03] <Torikun> what you doing with it
[2:03] <DeliriumTremens> current one is BMC
[2:03] <DeliriumTremens> XBMC
[2:03] <DeliriumTremens> new one will be a bbs
[2:03] <Torikun> http://linux-toys.com/
[2:03] <Torikun> that;s what I did with mine
[2:03] <Torikun> nice
[2:03] <Torikun> I would love to try it when its done =)
[2:03] <DeliriumTremens> sure thing
[2:03] <DeliriumTremens> i've tried once before with an old box and got stuck getting door games to load into the pseudoterminal
[2:04] <Torikun> I am doing vpn, znc, ssh, email, web , dns, torrent and some other stuff
[2:04] <Torikun> lol
[2:04] <Torikun> did you use Bryan Lundukes BBS/
[2:04] <ivotkl> http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/ That would be my seller. I'm planning to buy it from there.
[2:04] <ivotkl> chithead: Thank you.
[2:05] <Torikun> lol chithead reminds me of that old steve martin movie "The Jerk "
[2:05] <Torikun> lol
[2:05] <Torikun> ivotkl: are you in the UK or US?
[2:05] <DeliriumTremens> Torikun: i dont even remember now
[2:05] <DeliriumTremens> i think i blacked out most of the memory in a fit of rage
[2:05] <Torikun> lol
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[2:06] <DeliriumTremens> the box is still in the basement wasting away because screw that computer.
[2:06] * DeliriumTremens has flashbacks
[2:06] <Torikun> http://lunduke.com/?page_id=1316
[2:06] <Torikun> check out that one DeliriumTremens
[2:06] <DeliriumTremens> nice
[2:06] <DeliriumTremens> i'll keep that bookmarked
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[2:07] <DeliriumTremens> now, DINNER
[2:07] <DeliriumTremens> (also, i have very little willpower and ordered one)
[2:07] <Torikun> lol
[2:07] <Torikun> awesome!
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[2:07] <Torikun> I own 4 , think I got enough =_
[2:07] <Torikun> lol
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[2:10] <ivotkl> I'm in Argentina, so I think prices in the UK are cheaper for me.
[2:10] <ivotkl> I've made comparison
[2:10] <ivotkl> Do you know of a US site that ships to Argentina?
[2:10] <Torikun> did you try that link I posted?
[2:10] <ivotkl> lunduke?
[2:10] <ivotkl> nope.
[2:10] <Torikun> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/content/en-US/raspberry-pi
[2:10] <Torikun> that one ivotkl
[2:10] <ivotkl> Will do, thanks.
[2:11] <ivotkl> Oh, thank you.
[2:11] <ivotkl> It's actually cheaper I think
[2:11] <Torikun> nice
[2:11] <Tickle> Is reddit down?
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[2:11] <Torikun> reddit loads for me
[2:12] <ivotkl> I've researched the full bundle and it is actually a bit more expensive. XD
[2:12] <Tickle> Nevermind, seemed to be just a one time thing.
[2:12] <ivotkl> Oh, wait... Bundle comes with HDMI wire as well. XD
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[2:19] <ivotkl> Torikum, I'd love to order it from US as it might get faster and some products are in stock. The thing is that AC adapter does not suit the ones here. And still, I believe it's more expensive for me than bringing it from UK.
[2:20] <Torikun> you can easilly buy one locally right?
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[2:25] <ivotkl> Me? I wish, my "great" president has decided to team up with some of Chavez's ideas and has placed a limitation to buy foreign currency and also some limitations to imports. This last ones do not apply for low amount purchases. In fact, my mother has brought from US via FedEx a Sony E-reader and had no trouble to get it.
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[2:28] <ivotkl> And I have a (erm... gallery?) downtown that is specialised in hardware + software but do not know anything about this little toys of ours. =P
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[2:28] <ivotkl> Order placed lol.
[2:29] <UnaClocker> Eh, sony e-reader.. Hated mine.. soooo slow.
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[2:47] <audy> # iw list wlan0
[2:47] <audy> nl80211 not found.
[2:47] * audy gasps
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[3:05] <Tickle> Lots of ping timeouts
[3:05] <Essobi> yawn
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[3:10] <ngc0202> I'm depressed I can't think of anything to do with my pi :(
[3:11] <IT_Sean> Send it to me. I'll do something clever with it.
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[3:11] <ngc0202> :)
[3:11] <Armand> ngc0202, use it to host a personal blog ?
[3:12] <s5fs> ngc0202: try each available linux distro and blog about it
[3:12] <ngc0202> hehe, I'm no writer
[3:12] <s5fs> ngc0202: take pictures of your pi in threatening situations, like suspended by a burning rope over a toilet, tied to a railroad track, that sort of thing
[3:12] * Essobi is building latest FreeBSD head armv6 arch.
[3:13] <ngc0202> :D
[3:13] <s5fs> Essobi: what are you building it with?
[3:13] <s5fs> Essobi: or are you compiling on the pi itself?
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[3:14] <Essobi> crossbuilding with freebsd of course. :D
[3:14] * Tickle is browsing Reddit, and feels like an under achiver...
[3:14] <Armand> ngc0202, use it to build an LFS and tell us how it goes ?
[3:14] <Essobi> Tickle: Your website is bad and you should feel bad too... j/k. :D
[3:14] <s5fs> Essobi: gotcha. i've been building images with angstrom lately, it's fun but there's a lot to learn.
[3:15] <Essobi> ehh ang's cool.
[3:15] <Essobi> everything has it's purpose. :D
[3:15] <Armand> Essobi, did you test Tickle ?
[3:15] * Armand smirks
[3:15] <Essobi> nosirt.
[3:15] <Essobi> sir
[3:15] <Tickle> Essobi: where did you find my website? And yes I know, it's more of a playground than anything.
[3:16] * IT_Sean brews a cuppa
[3:16] <s5fs> Essobi: i'm finding angstrom unfriendly, poorly documented and neat as heck. way more magic than i can grok.
[3:16] <Armand> IT_Sean, coffee please. ^_^
[3:16] <Essobi> Ah, I didn't play with it.
[3:16] <Essobi> Tickle: your site?
[3:17] <Essobi> s5fs: not on pi anyways... I was using qemuarm
[3:17] <Tickle> <Essobi> Tickle: Your website is bad and you should feel bad too... j/k. :D
[3:17] <Essobi> And another platform that's escaping me.. might have been my arm920t
[3:17] <ngc0202> are there any screen-sharing programs that work on the pi?
[3:17] <s5fs> Essobi: i gotta learn it for work, we use it for building images for beagles.
[3:17] <Essobi> ngc0202: screen -r -x? :D
[3:18] <Essobi> s5fs: cool cool.. what're you doing with beagles?
[3:18] <s5fs> Essobi: veterinary medical devices, woof!
[3:18] <ngc0202> hehe
[3:18] <Essobi> :D
[3:18] <Essobi> funnies
[3:19] <aDro> djazz: Hey
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[3:19] <Tickle> <Essobi> Tickle: Your website is bad and you should feel bad too... j/k. :D
[3:19] <Tickle> How did you find my site?
[3:19] <Essobi> Tickle: Oh, I meant Reddit. :D
[3:19] <s5fs> Essobi: it is kinda funny, but it's truth. still under NDA in active dev so I can't talk too much about it.
[3:19] * Essobi snickers.
[3:19] <Essobi> I was making jest of your previous sttement.
[3:19] <Essobi> Statement. 8
[3:19] <Essobi> *
[3:19] <s5fs> haha!
[3:19] <Essobi> jeez, I can't type decaffinated.
[3:19] <Tickle> Oh, I have a website and I thought you had found it.
[3:20] <Essobi> :D
[3:20] <Essobi> Naw, I was palying.
[3:20] <Essobi> Playing. sheesh. I givue up.
[3:20] * Tickle clutches heart.
[3:21] <Tickle> I hate NDAs, just had to sign one for some games I'm testing.
[3:21] <IT_Sean> Armand: no. not coffee. tea.
[3:21] <IT_Sean> coffe is evil.
[3:22] <Armand> O_O
[3:23] <Armand> Coffee is life (for a tech)
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[3:25] <Armand> I started a new job today, as a customer support tech.. so, yeah... coffee is essential.
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[3:27] <Tickle> congrats on the new job.
[3:27] <Armand> Thanks. :)
[3:27] <Armand> It's a great job, with great people. ^_^
[3:27] <Tickle> Does freenode not block ip listings when someone connects?
[3:27] <Armand> ?
[3:28] <Armand> You mean, host-masking ?
[3:28] <Tickle> Yes
[3:28] <Armand> You need to ask for a cloak, I think.
[3:29] <Tickle> How would I do that?
[3:29] <Armand> I'd probably start by asking in #freenode
[3:29] <Armand> I've never bothered myself.
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[3:33] <Zopiac> Just got my Pi today, and have had nothing but trouble
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[3:34] <Zopiac> five hours of trying to get it to boot, and the last two I haven't been able to get any video at all, neither via HDMI nor composite
[3:34] <Zopiac> tried multiple cards, tried wiping each several times before loading the ISOs (wheezy and arch), absolutely nothing works
[3:35] <Armand> Zopiac, tried Raspbian yet?
[3:35] <Zopiac> and when it did show any video, the furthest it's gotten is 'PANIC: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2)'
[3:35] <Zopiac> and yeah, Raspbian wheezy
[3:37] <UnaClocker> Sounds like the images aren't getting properly put on the SD media.
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[3:38] <Zopiac> used 'dd if=/media/Downloads/archiso.iso of=/dev/sde' as root
[3:38] <Zopiac> tried a number of block size options but dd seemed to hang whenever I did that
[3:39] <Zopiac> one of the cards can't do anything anymore, for instance gparted fails to load it claiming it is too small to even hold filesystem information (it's a 4G card)
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[3:40] <Zopiac> ah, just tried again and it works, but sees it as a 1.8GB card
[3:40] <Zopiac> bad chip maybe?
[3:41] <Zopiac> windows thinks it's 56mb
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[3:42] <Zopiac> aha, I think this card reader just can't read more than 1.8gb
[3:42] <Zopiac> that would cause a problem
[3:43] <alexhairyman> that would be odd
[3:43] <alexhairyman> a card reader not supporting a higher size
[3:43] <alexhairyman> is it partitioned oddly?
[3:43] <alexhairyman> use fdisk on it if you haven't already
[3:43] <ngc0202> Windows can't read the ext partitions
[3:44] <alexhairyman> oh, you're on windows.... yucky :(
[3:44] <Zopiac> well the reader does support up to 4gb (I had one a long time ago that only read 1GB)
[3:44] <Zopiac> I have a windows 7 laptop and my desktop running Arch
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[3:45] <Zopiac> but gparted still says 1.81gb, fdisk says "Disk /dev/sde: 1939 MB'
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[3:45] <Zopiac> windows reads it as 4gb
[3:46] <Zopiac> using the same card reader
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[3:47] <Zopiac> both cards are shown this way
[3:47] <Tickle> Request: Someone tell me what ip and hostname is when I connect, thank you.
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[3:47] <Zopiac> ~Tickle@c-98-253-186-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net
[3:47] <Tickle> Ugh
[3:48] <Zopiac> I guess I'll try Puppy since it's less than 1.81
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[3:49] <Tickle> Any change?
[3:49] <Zopiac> no
[3:49] <alexhairyman> Zopiac, arch is way small
[3:49] <Tickle> Okay, well thank you.
[3:49] <alexhairyman> it's only ~600 mb
[3:49] <Zopiac> the image is like 1.9gb
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[3:49] <Zopiac> or that's what dd writed
[3:49] <Zopiac> writes*
[3:50] <Zopiac> 1.9G Jan 22 10:41 archlinux-hf-2013-01-22.img
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[3:50] <illwill> anyone play around with the uart pins yet?
[3:51] <Tickle> Anyone attempt Ubuntu on their Pi? I know there's an issue with processors
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[4:00] <Zopiac> how big is the iso for arch supposed to be? both my arch and wheezy isos are the exact same size...
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[4:02] <alexhairyman> Zopiac, if you shrink the partition you can fit it on a 1gb
[4:02] <alexhairyman> I think
[4:02] <alexhairyman> you have to fdisk the image file though
[4:02] <Zopiac> ah
[4:02] <alexhairyman> make it smaller by about 300-400 mb
[4:02] <alexhairyman> and then resize2fs it
[4:02] <Zopiac> Never learned how to use fdisk to do this sort of stuff X_X
[4:03] <alexhairyman> cfdisk is easier
[4:03] <alexhairyman> the 'c' gives you a nice curses display
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[4:04] <Zopiac> ooh nifty
[4:04] <alexhairyman> 'tis true
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[4:04] <Zopiac> still no clue how to make it smaller... I see no option for it
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[4:05] <alexhairyman> hold on, investigating now
[4:05] <Zopiac> gparted didn't let me resize it neither, unless I'm missing something
[4:05] <Zopiac> Never dealt with an ISO in this way
[4:05] <burito> howdy folks
[4:05] <alexhairyman> parted no longer supports resizing apparently, but hold on
[4:05] <Zopiac> hey burito
[4:06] <Primer> You can't resizefs to make file systems smaller
[4:06] <Primer> only bigger
[4:06] <burito> Primer: well you *can*... but the chances of it not killing your partition are about on par with Microsoft releasing a linux distro
[4:07] <Primer> no, you can't
[4:07] <burito> maybe my mind's wandering in vfat land
[4:07] <Primer> I would make a file with dd that's the size you want, mkfs the file, loop mount it, then copy the contents over
[4:08] <Primer> but if the image needs to be bootable...then you have to jump through a few other hoops
[4:08] <Zopiac> how do I make a file of an explicit size?
[4:08] <burito> dd has a "count" argument
[4:08] <Primer> dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1024M count=10
[4:08] <Primer> makes a 10G file
[4:09] <alexhairyman> what primer said would work, but it'll take a while (not too terrible though)
[4:10] <Primer> mkfs.extX for your favorite flavor of X
[4:10] <Primer> mount -o loop file mountpoint
[4:10] <Primer> cp -a /path/to/source/* mountpoint
[4:10] <Primer> right, it would take a while to dd and cp
[4:10] <burito> as far as I remember, Primer's method is the distro folks do it
[4:10] <burito> ... way the distro folks do it
[4:10] <Primer> this technique is old as time
[4:11] <Primer> EPOCH TIME THAT IS!!!
[4:11] <alexhairyman> if it's a multi-part file you use fdisk -lu and mount -o offset=`echo START * 512 | bc` to get the right FS
[4:11] <burito> yup, last time I done it was back in 2001 on LFS
[4:11] <burito> IIRC, booting is the *fun* part
[4:12] <Primer> no reason why you can't install grub to a file
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[4:12] <Primer> or syslinux for that matter
[4:12] <alexhairyman> nope, it works fine
[4:12] <Primer> I use mapper for mounting a file with partitions
[4:12] <Primer> can't recall the syntax off hand though
[4:13] <Zopiac> can't mount arch or rasbpian imgs blargh
[4:13] <Primer> of course you can
[4:13] <Zopiac> well errors out
[4:13] <Primer> an image is just a file system
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[4:14] <Zopiac> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop1, blah blah blah we've all seen it
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[4:14] <Zopiac> bad magic number, can't find filesystem
[4:14] <Primer> probably because it has a partition
[4:14] <Zopiac> the sha sums are right though
[4:14] <Zopiac> never dealt with a partitioned ISO
[4:14] <alexhairyman> it's easy
[4:14] <alexhairyman> is mapper easy primer?
[4:14] <Primer> it's not an iso
[4:14] <Zopiac> well
[4:14] <Zopiac> image
[4:14] * Zopiac is learning all sorts of new things
[4:14] <Primer> kpartx
[4:15] <alexhairyman> because my method is somewhat hacky
[4:15] <alexhairyman> Primer not that.... oh noes
[4:15] <Primer> part of the gparted pacakge, I believe
[4:15] <Primer> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1419489/loopback-mounting-individual-partitions-from-within-a-file-that-contains-a-parti
[4:15] <Zopiac> I don't have it
[4:16] <Zopiac> What's the difference from gparted? qt frontend?
[4:16] <Primer> seems it's its own package
[4:16] <Primer> apt-get install kpartx
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[4:16] <burito> gparted supports a lot more thingies
[4:16] <Primer> check that URL
[4:16] <Zopiac> it's part of multipath-tools for me
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[4:16] <Primer> the second answer is what I followed
[4:16] <Primer> worked flawlessly
[4:17] <burito> fdisk is for "I want to mess with a MS-DOS partition table quick and dirty like"
[4:17] <burito> gparted is for everything else
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[4:18] <Primer> Not sure why any disk image would ship with a ton of empty space on it though
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[4:18] <SimonJ57> Evening
[4:18] <Primer> seems stupid when you can just fdisk + resizefs later
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[4:19] <burito> hello SimonJ57
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[4:19] <Zopiac> OK I have a 1gb empty file and the two partitions available to me
[4:19] <Zopiac> partitions of the raspbian image, that is
[4:19] <SimonJ57> burito: Whats good? You don't mind answering a couple of questions that may or may not been asked 100 times over?
[4:20] <Zopiac> What do I have to copy over? do I have to partition the image I made?
[4:20] <burito> it's my first day in the channel, but hey sure, I'm always up for investigating
[4:21] <SimonJ57> burito: Do you own a Rasp-Pi?
[4:21] <burito> yup, am using him right now as my desktop
[4:22] <burito> it's Summer here in Australia, so I'd much rather use my 4w RPi than my 850w QuadCore
[4:22] <SimonJ57> Cool, I'm looking at a model B package and a pre-installed (What I assume is Raspian) SD.
[4:22] <Primer> Zopiac: well, this is supposed to be a bootable image, so you probably want to replicate the partition layout of the source
[4:22] <Zopiac> gparted yells at me regarding the images though, saying that there is no proper superblock
[4:22] <Primer> Zopiac: keep in mind that you'll also need to make that image bootable later with whatever the pi uses. I'm guessing it uses grub2? If so, that's cake
[4:23] <burito> SimonJ57: the B's should be floating around the place, I got mine from a local electronics shop
[4:23] <Primer> Just now sure if that can be done on a different arch
[4:23] <Primer> s/now/not/
[4:23] <burito> the SD card is *really* easy to make, raspberrypi.org has very clear instructions
[4:23] <burito> for windows, linux and macosx
[4:24] <Primer> burito: except he wants to use arch on a 1G card, and the image is 2G
[4:24] <burito> erp, sorry Primer, was directed at SimonJ57
[4:24] <Primer> Zopiac: out of curiosity, what do df report for that loop mounted source image?
[4:24] <Primer> burito: my bad :)
[4:25] <Primer> what does*, even
[4:25] <SimonJ57> Would you say using a Rasp Pi is a good idea if you want to get into Linux? I've used Live CDs/DVDs and even installed Kubuntu on an old computer.
[4:25] <Primer> SimonJ57: IMO, no
[4:25] <Primer> but then I've only been using Linux since 1995
[4:25] <Zopiac> /dev/mapper/loop1p1 57288 16872 40416 30% /USB1
[4:25] <burito> SimonJ57: possibly... I've been overclocking mine pretty much permanently, and it has a tendency of stomping on the SD card, so I need a functioning linux box to fix it
[4:26] <Zopiac> /dev/mapper/loop1p2 1804128 1390088 322392 82% /USB2
[4:26] <bparker> just resize the image before you flash it?
[4:26] <Primer> Zopiac: yeah, that just doesn't make sense to me. Not sure why they would ship it like that
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[4:26] <Zopiac> but still, the 1.8gb partition is 82% full (supposedly)
[4:27] <burito> SimonJ57: RaspBMC is about as friendly as it gets, but that doesn't really give you a linux environment
[4:27] <Primer> Zopiac: I presume the first partition is the root fs. If it doesn't depends on anything in the other partition, then I'd say you'd have something to work with
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[4:28] <Primer> Zopiac: still, I'd probably search for a different image.
[4:28] <Primer> One that only had what you needed. For example, Raspbian was only 400m
[4:28] <Zopiac> well yeah I'm unxz'ing the puppy one as well
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[4:28] <SimonJ57> burito: A media centre sounds like a nice idea, but theres the old "If you don't know what you'll do with it, you don't need it" faff.
[4:29] <Zopiac> oh great, the puppy one is 4gb >_<
[4:29] <SimonJ57> burito: Learning to program; as it's been famously touted for, hell I've seen kids actually able to write programs, dedicated programming platform, yay or nay?
[4:29] <Zopiac> I like(?) how they allow you space to actually run the OS indefinitely after booting it, but I don't have a big card!
[4:29] <burito> SimonJ57: much better having a powerful desktop or that
[4:30] <burito> SimonJ57: the learning bit seems to come mostly from the GPIO pins on the RPi, with which some folks are making robots and the like
[4:31] <burito> SimonJ57: as a desktop computer, its very underpowered, I'm using it as a desktop because I don't mind using software from the 90's
[4:31] <burito> SimonJ57: anyone else would probably spill their drink over how slow chromium loads/runs
[4:31] <Zopiac> The main reason I bought this is to see if I can live with such software
[4:31] <ngc0202> Hmm
[4:32] <ngc0202> I can't seem to get my wifi adapter working with my pi
[4:32] <ngc0202> Could it be that it's missing a driver? How would I get one on it without internet?
[4:33] <jeff8907> The distros for the Pi have come a long way, When I first tried to use it it seemed much slower, now i can understand a bit more using it as your primary
[4:33] <jeff8907> What is it doing ngc0202
[4:33] <burito> SimonJ57: as far as a media center is concerned, it is *perfect*, the GPU can decode the highest quality 1080 video's I have without missing a beat, and while the menus on RaspBMC may not be instantly quick, it does the job amicably
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[4:34] <ngc0202> jeff8907: Well the Link light on my adapter doesn't appear to be on, and I don't see my pi on my list of "Attached Devices" in my router
[4:34] <Zopiac> How about hi10p 1080p?
[4:34] <jeff8907> Mine seems to reboot when airplaying, but it is probably the powersupply
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[4:34] <SimonJ57> jeff8907: I hear far too many times for people to use powered hubs, maby that'll fix it?
[4:35] <SimonJ57> jeff8907: If you allready are, I'm stumped.
[4:35] <jeff8907> It may be a driver issue, are you on Raspbian?
[4:35] <ngc0202> I desperately need a powered hub haha
[4:35] <burito> Zopiac: not sure, I have some 1080p "Planet Earth" videos, that will bring a PC that's slower than 3Ghz to it's knees, those vids are my benchmark for video-decoding, and the RPi flogs them silly
[4:36] <jeff8907> I tried it before, but I found it was apparently the USB cable seemed to be causing the issue? Since then I did a bad burn on the SD card and havent gotten it back up
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[4:36] <Zopiac> once/if I get this thing running ever, I will try some hi10p anime or something
[4:37] <ngc0202> Is there any way to get the needed drivers on the thing without internet?
[4:37] <Zopiac> although one video is about the size of my card, even when it is not bugging out and showing as 1.8gb
[4:37] <ngc0202> If that's the issue
[4:37] <SimonJ57> I found a hub with an on/off switch, a physical, rocker switch..
[4:37] <burito> amusingly, the RPi can play them perfectly off of an external HDD, but the bandwidth isn't there to play them over the network
[4:37] <Zopiac> don't have an external hard drive :\
[4:37] <burito> but they are too high bitrate for 100Mbs network :-)
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[4:38] <burito> external HDD caddies can be had for under $20
[4:38] <Zopiac> I should get one to stick my 2TB in
[4:38] <burito> they usually come with power supplies
[4:39] <SimonJ57> Well, heres a nice choice for UK residents looking for a powered hub, unfortunatly, 10 is far too many. http://www.ebuyer.com/259359-xenta-10-port-usb-2-0-hub-mains-powered-wall-mountable-n-uh1001
[4:39] <burito> I'm using a cheap chinese no-name "powered hub", and the power for the hub is the charger for my Sony PSP
[4:39] <burito> those 10 port hubs cause no amount of troubles
[4:39] <burito> 7port or 4 port are the only sane options
[4:40] <SimonJ57> burito: I'd be sticking random USB devices in just to fil the holes, thats no insane a 10-port choice is.
[4:40] <burito> The Sony PSP charger puts out a relatively clean 5v at 2amp
[4:41] <burito> the RPi's USB isn't perfect, in my experience one slightly dodgy USB peripheral can screw things up in a big way
[4:42] <burito> 10 port hubs have a very strong and well deserved reputation
[4:42] <illwill> can anyone help with a UART problem? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=31552&p=278612#p278612
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[4:43] <chithead> 10 port hubs are just three 4 port hubs in a compact package
[4:43] <burito> chithead: if only it was that simple
[4:45] <burito> the further you overclock the RPi, the more sensitive it becomes to the quality of it's power supply
[4:47] <burito> fully overclocked, the RPi is actually a pretty serious bit of computing power, it will run Quake3 at 1920x1200 at over 40fps on max detail
[4:48] <burito> *if* you can get it clean enough power to stay running
[4:48] <tonsit> you play quake reguarly on your rpi?
[4:48] <burito> not yet... still trying to find a clean enough power supply :-)
[4:48] <jeff8907> Which of the XBMC options do you guys prefer, if you use them at all?
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[4:48] <burito> mine will run it at that specs for about a quarter of a second before the power fluctuations reset it
[4:49] <SimonJ57> tonsit: well, playing quake on an old Windows 95 laptop runs like tapioca, If convinced to buy a Rasp-Pi maby i'll see how it runs and give you some matches.
[4:49] <burito> when the GPU kicks in it starts drawing power hard, at least hard enough for my PSP charger to let the voltage drop too far
[4:49] <tonsit> lol, i'm not running it but i'll keep that in mind
[4:50] <burito> lots of guides on the net on how to make your own linear power supply for the RPi
[4:50] <burito> sadly, switch mode PSU's cost like $10, linear PSU's cost about $50
[4:51] <burito> for the same wattage
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[4:51] <burito> if you've got an old Amiga 500 or Commodore 64, the PSU's they have are *perfect* for the job
[4:51] <SimonJ57> burito: And if you're cack-handed at your soldering, some of us can forget about making our own.
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[4:52] <burito> SimonJ57: yeah, and I'm a bit nervous about soldering up a 240v circuit
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[4:53] <BigBadGhost> but isn't a little bit of smoke normal?
[4:54] <burito> BigBadGhost: famous last words
[4:54] <UnaClocker> I only got a little bit of smoke out of my dead Pi when I killed it.. So yeah, little bit is normal.
[4:54] <BigBadGhost> haha
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[4:55] <BigBadGhost> Still going nuts trying to get my RaspBMC to see my media share from my Linux box. Keeps asking for username/password
[4:56] <BigBadGhost> I'm quickly starting to dislike samba
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[4:58] <UnaClocker> BigBadGhost: in your samba.conf file, make sure you have " security = share " and not = user
[4:59] <BigBadGhost> Yep, did that. Not sure why else it would keep asking though
[4:59] <UnaClocker> Under your shares, do you have guest ok = yes ?
[4:59] <BigBadGhost> Some funky errors when trying to /etc/init.d/samba restart too
[4:59] <Zopiac> good news! I got it to boot finally
[5:00] <UnaClocker> Zopiac: Cool, what was the problem?
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[5:01] <roasted> hello friends
[5:02] <roasted> any of you fellas have an xbmc build of some sort running on an rpi? I'm seing that forward/reverse functionality is non-existent it seems.
[5:02] <Zopiac> UnaClocker: my computer wasn't liking the card, and would only read it as 1.8gb (it's a 4gb card)
[5:02] <Zopiac> the images are 2gb because they have built-in free space to work in
[5:03] <UnaClocker> roasted: Forward/reverse, like fast forward or skip ahead 30 seconds? Works fine on RaspBMC..
[5:03] <BigBadGhost> UnaClocker: I had switched it back from user to share
[5:03] <Zopiac> For whatever reason, windows was able to see 4gb and I burned the SD from there and now all is good
[5:03] <Zopiac> just gotta find my spare ethernet cables now
[5:03] <BigBadGhost> UnaClocker: Is there another way to restart it after saving the .conf?
[5:03] <UnaClocker> Cool, that's what it sounded like.. Problem writing the initial image..
[5:03] <UnaClocker> Reboot.
[5:04] <roasted> UnaClocker: like the actual fast forward buttons... where it'll play at like 2x, 4x, 16x, 32x the speed
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[5:04] <roasted> UnaClocker: everything I've read suggests it's an r-pi issue and not necessarily xbmc, but xbmc devs seem to be open to bug reports regarding it
[5:04] <UnaClocker> Ahh, I use the skip ahead 30 seconds all the time, not sure I've ever used fast forward.
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[5:05] <roasted> UnaClocker: the skip ahead 30 seconds thing is borderline useless for me, but that may be largely due to the fact I'm streaming media over the LAN. The R-pi has to sit and think about it for a few seconds.
[5:05] <BigBadGhost> Rebooting it, UnaClocker. Thanks for trying to help. I've spent days trying to get this thing shared properly
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[5:05] <roasted> UnaClocker: perhaps a modest overclock is out of the question. Maybe I need to ramp it up.
[5:06] <UnaClocker> Shares can be a real pain in Linux.. Could even be a permissions problem.. Is the shared folder available to be read by any user? I have that problem from time to time.
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[5:06] <BigBadGhost> Hmm, pretty sure I specified everybody
[5:07] <roasted> BigBadGhost: chiming in late here... you're dealing with samba with your rpi?
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[5:08] <BigBadGhost> roasted: Yes. My media share is on my Linux machine and It's just not letting the RaspBMC read it
[5:08] <BigBadGhost> Just rebooted the machine though, will give it a shot again
[5:08] <roasted> BigBadGhost: got your smb.conf pastebin'd somewhere?
[5:09] <BigBadGhost> Will do that
[5:09] <ivotkl> Hello, I'm back. I had to cook to take something to eat tomorrow at work and something for right now. Hahaha. What are we discussing now?
[5:09] <ivotkl> Linux and permissions? Heavy stuff...
[5:09] <ivotkl> Can be painful indeed.
[5:09] <ivotkl> If it's a folder, I believe you can use chmod 777 [folder name].
[5:09] <roasted> once you get the hang of octal rights, they're not bad at all
[5:09] <BigBadGhost> ivotkl: yep, did the chmod 777 on it
[5:09] <roasted> but it surely takes about a hundred wrong turns before you start to put pieces together
[5:09] <roasted> BigBadGhost: what's the exact path of the media dir
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[5:10] <ivotkl> BigBadGhost what happens if you try to access those files from the net? Is there any special configuration you need to input on any box that you may have not done already?
[5:10] <chupacabra> wouldnt it be easier to put a media server on than fsck with Samba?
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[5:11] <BigBadGhost> roasted: /media/ghost/Skyline/Movies
[5:11] <roasted> how would you be mounting the files then?
[5:11] <burito> if you're after Samba help, I know more than any sane person should
[5:11] <roasted> BigBadGhost: let's see the smb.conf
[5:11] <roasted> burito: I'm sane. ;)
[5:11] <burito> BigBadGhost: there was talk of pastebinning your linuxbox smb.conf
[5:12] <BigBadGhost> Let me hop on that system. ssh isn't letting me gedit the conf and I'm not sure how I'd copy/paste the whole .conf in pico :P
[5:12] <roasted> nano could work
[5:12] <roasted> have to use the mouse to capture it tho
[5:12] <roasted> but I'm interested in the tail part anyways
[5:12] <roasted> where the shares are
[5:12] <burito> also, sudo cat /etc/samba/smd.conf
[5:12] <chupacabra> prolly a python script that just does pastebin
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[5:13] <chupacabra> most distros have at least one
[5:13] <burito> roasted: don't forget that sections of the smb.conf can override options in the shares section
[5:14] <roasted> yep, got it
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[5:14] <roasted> doesn't change the fact the tail end is what I'm most interested in ;)
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[5:15] <burito> a typical smb.conf doesn't need to be much larger than 10 lines
[5:15] <chupacabra> is smbd and nmbd running?
[5:15] <burito> oh that reminds me, the correct method to restart samba, is...
[5:15] <roasted> yar, 95% of the smb.conf is just #
[5:15] <roasted> service smbd restart
[5:15] <burito> sudo services smb restart
[5:15] <roasted> iirc
[5:15] <roasted> (works on my ubuntu server, anyway)
[5:16] <burito> but the most likely to work method is... sudo /etc/init.d/smbd restart
[5:16] <burito> (could be samba instead of smbd & nmbd, depends on distro)
[5:16] <chupacabra> after one changes the conf samba needs reloading
[5:17] <burito> my rpi has it as /etc/init.d/samba
[5:17] <roasted> burito: are you running xbmc on that pi
[5:17] <burito> nope, rasbian
[5:17] <roasted> as a regular OS?
[5:17] <BigBadGhost> Ok, here's the pastebin http://pastebin.com/CPbDAJpG
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[5:17] <burito> well, I have an sd card with RaspBMC, but I pwned it from overclocking and poor shutdown
[5:18] <burito> roasted: yes, as my desktop, with wmaker
[5:18] <roasted> why don't you add valid users to it, BigBadGhost
[5:18] <roasted> BigBadGhost: is your goal to have user-based authentication?
[5:18] <BigBadGhost> Not really, I'm only really sharing it with the Pi
[5:19] <roasted> well, some food for thought, here's what I did
[5:19] <roasted> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1611173/
[5:19] <roasted> htpc is a user I created
[5:19] <roasted> the pi (openelec xbmc) auto mounts it through the user htpc
[5:19] <roasted> I never touch it. It just works on each boot.
[5:19] <chupacabra> why would one use samba in a nix to nix enviornment
[5:19] <burito> if you want your samba to be nice and fast (well as fast as it can go), change lines 205 & 206 to read as follows....
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[5:19] <roasted> I'm a big fan of user based authentication tho, as opposed to that NFS bullshit where UID's have to match etc.
[5:20] <roasted> chupacabra: I find little/no reason not to use Samba, to be honest with you.
[5:20] <burito> socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
[5:20] <chupacabra> slow ans windows oriented
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[5:20] <roasted> chupacabra: user based authentication just makes sense to me. It always has. Samba has always been a prime part of my LAN even though I run exclusively Linux.
[5:20] <roasted> chupacabra: it's not slow. I've tested it against NFS many times.
[5:21] <chupacabra> crazytalk.
[5:21] <burito> it's only slow if it's a windows machine hosting it
[5:21] <roasted> chupacabra: they're almost always identical in speed. I've never seen NFS in the real world experience the speed bumps users used to say it did.
[5:21] <roasted> chupacabra: reality, bro. Been down that road many times bench testing it.
[5:21] <ivotkl> How quick would a Pi B work with a class 10 SDHC?
[5:21] <roasted> In fact, in a lot of cases with IDENTICAL experiments and only changing NFS vs SMB with each test, SMB was faster.
[5:21] <ivotkl> OS would be Raspbian.
[5:21] <roasted> ivotkl: rather well.
[5:21] <chupacabra> been doing linux since 96. Have worked with Tridgel on Samba
[5:21] <burito> ivotkl: the SD card will be the bottleneck
[5:21] <ivotkl> roasted: excellent.
[5:22] <roasted> chupacabra: been doing Linux since 2006. Doesn't change the fact that what I found is what I found on multiple instances.
[5:22] <burito> chupacabra: you know tridgel?
[5:22] <burito> chupacabra: how about rusty?
[5:22] <ivotkl> burito: cool.
[5:22] <ivotkl> Thank you guys. Class 10 is one of the best ones I can get and RS site in UK sells Class 6, so I would say I would be pretty fine. Right?
[5:22] <BigBadGhost> Ok, uncommented the TCP_NODELAY
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[5:23] <chupacabra> yup hung with all of them in 2003 while working on ltsp.
[5:23] <burito> and put the SNDBUF lines at the end of the TCP_NODELAY
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[5:23] <roasted> chupacabra: LTSP is pure <3
[5:23] <chupacabra> We were toying with using smb there
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[5:23] <roasted> BigBadGhost: are you going to give that valid users idea a test drive?
[5:24] <BigBadGhost> Absolutely
[5:24] <burito> chupacabra: do you know Rusty has his own Samba t-short now? :-)
[5:24] <roasted> BigBadGhost: it's what I always use. Hasn't ever let me down.
[5:24] <BigBadGhost> Would I just add the user that I normally log into the Linux machine with?
[5:24] <chupacabra> LOL hehe
[5:24] <roasted> BigBadGhost: in fact most of my shares are 755 perm'd
[5:25] <BigBadGhost> When prompted for the password and login on the pi, I tried my login credentials but no go there
[5:25] <chupacabra> all the devels are saying Samba is becoming irrelevant nowadays
[5:25] <roasted> BigBadGhost: in order ot add a samba user, the user must exist on the system first. Then you can add via sudo smbpasswd -a *username*
[5:25] <roasted> chupacabra: they're full of shit.
[5:25] <chupacabra> bout like perl
[5:26] <roasted> One can argue that samba becomes less relevant due to cloud based sharing, but samba is still the absolute golden ticket when it comes to LAN based sharing, especially with different types of operating systems.
[5:26] <BigBadGhost> Ok, I did that with for the user that I log in with
[5:26] <roasted> I don't see that need changing. ever.
[5:26] <burito> roasted: you probably want to listen to chupacabra, he knows enough to make me feel inadequate, and I've been coding since 1986
[5:26] <burito> in C and assembly
[5:26] <BigBadGhost> Will add the valid users line
[5:26] <roasted> burito: my opinion is based entirely on my own experience, and I stand by that firmly, regardless of who I'm talking to. ;)
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[5:27] <burito> roasted: that's the spirit :-p
[5:27] <roasted> BigBadGhost: good deal. check my pastebin for reference if you need.
[5:28] <chupacabra> Well, I for one will not put samba on my Pi.
[5:28] <roasted> why
[5:28] <chupacabra> wouldnt use it. Why have it?
[5:28] <roasted> oh
[5:28] <roasted> can't argue with that.
[5:28] <burito> I think it's safe call that chupacabra doesn't have any windows machines in his house
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[5:29] <BigBadGhost> So your pastebin only showed a writable, browseable and a valid users, do I not need guest ok, available, guest only and guest account lines?
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[5:29] <roasted> I drive a 4 cylinder to work because 4 cylinders is as effective as 8 cylinders is in terms of going A to B :P
[5:29] <chupacabra> a couple but i use minidnla to allow access
[5:29] <roasted> BigBadGhost: I've never used it.
[5:29] <roasted> BigBadGhost: I'm not a big fan of "guest access". Instead, I create a bogus account if I need a generic login for that.
[5:29] <roasted> BigBadGhost: personal opinion there.
[5:30] <chupacabra> Course my wireless is open so no telling how many may be on
[5:30] <roasted> BigBadGhost: in fact if I recall I think I created a user account entitled "guest" or "user" or some crap. I forget, I'll have to look. The only folder they have access to is "public" which is a random share I create on my server in case buddies come over and want to dump something on my file server.
[5:30] <BigBadGhost> is the ; before browseable a strange way for samba to comment the line out or is it needed
[5:30] <chupacabra> yup
[5:31] <burito> it's a comment
[5:31] <roasted> if I recall, ; is a comment, but a comment with a configurable option behind it
[5:31] <roasted> whereas # is simply a comment with informational purposes
[5:31] <BigBadGhost> Gotcha, will add it in
[5:31] <burito> TIL
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[5:32] <roasted> BigBadGhost: if it'll help I can post up my entire smb.conf
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[5:32] <roasted> I didn't change anything else in it tho besides adding shares
[5:32] <roasted> shares, users, save, restart samba, left it alone ever since. just kinda owrks.
[5:32] <roasted> works, rather.
[5:33] <BigBadGhost> Just saved the changes, see if I can actually restart samba this time
[5:33] <chupacabra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pastebinit
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[5:34] <roasted> BigBadGhost: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1611197/
[5:34] <roasted> I admittedly haven't given the ; browseable much thought
[5:34] <roasted> I surely do have access to whatever I need. Makes me wonder how relevant that function is.
[5:35] <chupacabra> has to be browsable
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[5:36] <chupacabra> we got a fact bot in here?
[5:36] <roasted> BigBadGhost: also, I'm not a fan of 777'ing anything whatsoever. Here's a listing of my perms if you'd like to have an idea as to what I have going on - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1611203/
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[5:38] <BigBadGhost> Does this look right for a restart http://paste.ubuntu.com/1611207/ ?
[5:39] <monkeymon> hi
[5:39] <roasted> where's root?
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[5:39] <BigBadGhost> Could've sworn I got the same error last time with sudo, hrm. That's odd
[5:40] <roasted> what OS are you working with in particular?
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[5:41] <BigBadGhost> Mint 14 Mate
[5:42] <roasted> Remind me, since you're working with Samba you're working with more than one system. What is running Samba? The Pi?
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[5:42] <BigBadGhost> The Mint desktop
[5:42] <BigBadGhost> That has the shares on it
[5:43] <roasted> What's on the Pi? Raspbian?
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[5:43] <BigBadGhost> RaspBMC
[5:43] <roasted> I see
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[5:44] <alexhairyman> gnight
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[5:44] <roasted> am I forgetting something? Is the command not sudo raspi-config to OC the pi?
[5:45] <BigBadGhost> Always thought it was in a config.txt
[5:45] <BigBadGhost> At least that's where mine was
[5:45] <home> hey guys :D
[5:45] <roasted> ah
[5:45] <home> what's about about the RPI
[5:45] <dr_willis> that config tool has a menu to set overclocking
[5:45] <home> mine is just sitting there
[5:45] <home> failing as an AP
[5:46] <home> anyone using RPI as a wireless aP?
[5:46] <roasted> I'm on openelec, I wonder if that changes things
[5:46] <dr_willis> i think im on the 2nd level of overclocking..
[5:46] <roasted> home: no
[5:46] <home> I have some serious connectivity problems, and ping problems..
[5:46] <roasted> dr_willis: I'm @ 800mhz on mine, but mine sucks hard at fast forwarding with xbmc (openelec) and whatnot when streaming over the LAN. I want to OC it like a banshee to see if it makes a difference (wouldn't bet a dollar it would matter tho)
[5:46] <dr_willis> #1 thng to check for any probems.. - get a better power supply.
[5:47] <dr_willis> Im just a znc server here.. so 800 works fine. makes the console snappier for me
[5:48] <home> lol dr_willis
[5:48] <roasted> I've tried many power supplies, and even metered my r-pi. the power supply I have is the most accurate one I've found.
[5:48] <illwill> has anyone tried using UART pins yet
[5:48] <home> how does one use those
[5:48] <home> what are those pins...actually
[5:49] <BigBadGhost> So using the sudo smbpasswd -a username and then adding valid users = said username to the .conf SHOULD work in theory right?
[5:50] <roasted> BigBadGhost: yes. By doing that, you're basically saying that only the users within valid users can authenticate to that share.
[5:51] <roasted> BigBadGhost: your octal rights have to be correct tho. If you have root:root 770 on it and you try to authenticate fred, it'll backfire.
[5:51] <BigBadGhost> hrm, pi is still not taking the username/pass though
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[5:51] <roasted> did you restart samba
[5:51] <BigBadGhost> sudo service smbd restart yep
[5:51] <roasted> the samba user you added, was this a new system user or an existing system user
[5:52] <BigBadGhost> existing, the login I normally use, ghost
[5:52] <roasted> and the format for the share is
[5:52] <BigBadGhost> so I did the sudo smbpasswd -a ghost
[5:52] <roasted> valid users = ghost
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[5:54] <BigBadGhost> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1611228/
[5:55] <roasted> certainly looks good
[5:55] <roasted> are your perms still 777?
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[5:56] <BigBadGhost> Yah
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[5:56] <roasted> try, as root
[5:56] <roasted> /etc/init.d/samba restart
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[5:58] <monkeymon> hi!
[5:58] <Jayface> hello
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[5:58] <BigBadGhost> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1611235/
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[6:00] <roasted> BigBadGhost: not overly positive on that one, to be honest.
[6:00] <roasted> BigBadGhost: if all else fails, you can reboot and see (I know that's painful to suggest on a linux system tho)
[6:00] <BigBadGhost> Yeah, it's a bid odd isn't it?
[6:00] <dr_willis> i know ubuntu has several books on using samba (older ones) in the samba-doc package that basically walk ya through setting up a simple server
[6:01] <roasted> BigBadGhost: I'd try that to be honest, just for funsies.
[6:01] <dr_willis> i tend to enable the home share feature of samba.
[6:01] <roasted> home share?
[6:01] <dr_willis> then smbpasswd -a username for eachuser
[6:01] <dr_willis> Each user can access //server/theirname and it goes to /home/theirname
[6:02] <home> :
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[6:02] <dr_willis> its a dynamic share. ;) based on username
[6:02] <roasted> ah
[6:02] <roasted> I remember reading about that
[6:02] <roasted> I've never used it tho
[6:02] <dr_willis> about the only share i normally enable
[6:02] <dr_willis> i sometimes share /media/ also
[6:02] <BigBadGhost> How do I check if the samba service is actually running?
[6:02] <roasted> I always create my shares manually, but then again I always have a raid array mounted at /media/storage which is where the data lives on my server
[6:02] <roasted> BigBadGhost: service --status-all gives you a list of everything
[6:03] <roasted> I'm not sure how my /media/storage antics would compare to the home sharing capabilities of samba, though...
[6:03] <BigBadGhost> odd how smbd and samba have [?] next to them
[6:03] <roasted> mine do too
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[6:06] <dr_willis> perhaps you have no shares defined?
[6:06] <roasted> dr_willis: he does
[6:07] <dr_willis> Hmm i have a lot of ? in my service listing.. including one on GPM that is running. ;)
[6:07] <dr_willis> not sure wat the ? means
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[6:09] <BigBadGhost> Worst case scenario is that I have to boot into Windows on that machine to get the shares to work properly but that's just...eww
[6:09] <roasted> BigBadGhost: I'm quite unsure of how your setup is not woking, to be honest iwht you
[6:10] <roasted> BigBadGhost: did you try rebooting the samba server (mint desktop etc)
[6:10] <BigBadGhost> I did just now. Worth a shot
[6:10] <dr_willis> samba shares can take some time to show up.. :)
[6:11] <roasted> true
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[6:13] <BigBadGhost> Strange thing is, when I view the server over the network on my laptop, those shares don't even show up there
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[6:14] <roasted> how are you viewing the shares on your laptop
[6:14] <roasted> are you going to nautilus and doing a ctrl L smb://ip.of.server.here?
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[6:14] <monkeymon> anyone else doing openframeworks on the pi?
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[6:16] <BigBadGhost> Wasn't doing it that way. I did though and can see the shares. It's asking for login/pass
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[6:16] <roasted> BigBadGhost: how were you doing it?
[6:16] <roasted> BigBadGhost: hitting "network" and seeing what gets broadcasted?
[6:16] <BigBadGhost> Yep
[6:16] <roasted> BigBadGhost: I find that to be less reliable.
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[6:17] <roasted> BigBadGhost: I only see that working whent he server has been running for a while.
[6:17] <roasted> BigBadGhost: instead I create bookmarks within nautilus to smb:// (ip of server)
[6:17] <roasted> then I just click it and bingo, shares pop up
[6:17] <roasted> every once in a while I get a delay, I just count to 10, hit F5, and then they appear
[6:17] <roasted> it's somewhat rare though
[6:17] <BigBadGhost> This isn't taking my credentials either. Thinking that this may be the problem
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[6:18] <roasted> if it's not taking your credentials then it's either a permissions or authentication problem
[6:18] <roasted> make sure the full path has the proper perms (you said earlier it was 777)
[6:18] <roasted> but make sure parent directories aren't cut off either
[6:18] <BigBadGhost> Yes, I went to the parent directory and just did a chmod 777 Movies
[6:18] <roasted> aka, let's say /media/storage is root:root 770, but your samba path is /media/storage/music
[6:19] <roasted> even if music is 777, storage is still 770 root:root
[6:19] <roasted> meaning all other users - no go
[6:19] <BigBadGhost> So chmod /full/path/Movies?
[6:19] <roasted> I wouldn't do that
[6:19] <BigBadGhost> Ya
[6:19] <roasted> I would just go to each level and ls -l
[6:19] <roasted> and see what it is
[6:20] <roasted> cd /media, ls -l... see what storage is
[6:20] <roasted> then cd storage, ls -l, see what music is
[6:20] <roasted> etc
[6:20] <roasted> one step at a time
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[6:20] <Zopiac> Wish my computer could read 4gb of these cards though, still stuck at 1.81gb
[6:21] <BigBadGhost> Not overly familiar with deciphering permissions unfortunately
[6:21] <BigBadGhost> drwxr-x---+ is what the first one is
[6:21] <roasted> BigBadGhost: the skinny of it is this. you have 3 sets of 3, rwx... read, write, execute
[6:21] <roasted> ah
[6:21] <roasted> that may be it
[6:21] <roasted> what directory is that
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[6:22] <BigBadGhost> I'm in /media and that's what ls -l said for the next directory up the chain
[6:22] <BigBadGhost> which is ghost
[6:22] <roasted> so ghost is rwxr-x---?
[6:22] <BigBadGhost> drwxr-x---+
[6:22] <roasted> right. that's /media/ghost?
[6:22] <roasted> or /media?
[6:23] <BigBadGhost> that's /media/ghost
[6:23] <roasted> who is the owner/group
[6:23] <roasted> should have a name there
[6:23] <BigBadGhost> root
[6:23] <roasted> for both?
[6:23] <BigBadGhost> ya root:root
[6:23] <roasted> bingo
[6:23] <roasted> look at those permissions in a singular line
[6:23] <roasted> you have rwxr-x---
[6:24] <roasted> break them up into three groups
[6:24] <roasted> owner/group/others
[6:24] <roasted> thw rwx is for the owner, meaning the owner has full reign since he has rwx - read write execute
[6:24] <BigBadGhost> so owner can read/write/ex
[6:24] <roasted> group has r-x, so he can read-execute
[6:24] <BigBadGhost> group can only read and x
[6:24] <BigBadGhost> others can't do a darn thing
[6:24] <roasted> anybody else (aka people not the owner, and people not in the group assigned), got nadda
[6:24] <roasted> exactly
[6:24] <roasted> so
[6:24] <roasted> sudo chmod 755 /media/ghost
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[6:25] <roasted> that will give "others" read/execute
[6:25] <roasted> fyi, the d in the front simply stands for directory
[6:25] <roasted> just in case you ls -l a file and wonder why no d is there
[6:25] <roasted> do another ls -l within /media, you should see rwxr-xr-x root:root for ghost
[6:26] <roasted> drwxr-xr-x that is
[6:26] <roasted> (forgot the d)
[6:27] <BigBadGhost> So next directory is root ONLY
[6:27] <BigBadGhost> owned by ghost:ghost
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[6:27] <roasted> what is "next directory"
[6:27] <BigBadGhost> Skyline
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[6:27] <roasted> what do you mean it's root only
[6:27] <roasted> you say its ghost:ghost
[6:28] <BigBadGhost> rwx------
[6:28] <roasted> that doesn't mean root only
[6:28] <roasted> that means owner only
[6:28] <roasted> ghost:ghost = owner:group
[6:28] <roasted> that's ghost (owner) only
[6:28] <BigBadGhost> drwx------ 1 ghost ghost 28672 Feb 4 18:45 Skyline
[6:28] <roasted> yep
[6:28] <BigBadGhost> Ah gotcha
[6:28] <roasted> :)
[6:28] <roasted> cd into Skyline
[6:28] <roasted> ls -l
[6:28] <roasted> whatcha got?
[6:29] <BigBadGhost> owner ghost rwx
[6:29] <roasted> that's music or videos or something
[6:29] <BigBadGhost> for the Movies folder
[6:29] <roasted> right?
[6:29] <roasted> k
[6:29] <roasted> can you authenticate now?
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[6:30] <BigBadGhost> Not through Nautilus
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[6:31] <roasted> er
[6:31] <roasted> you're authenticating as ghost, right
[6:31] <BigBadGhost> yep
[6:31] <roasted> it just returns the login box back to you?
[6:31] <BigBadGhost> Yep, username/domain/password
[6:31] <roasted> okay
[6:32] <roasted> /media/ghost/Skyline/Movies
[6:32] <roasted> is what you're working with, right?
[6:32] <BigBadGhost> correct, well smb://ipaddress then double click Movies
[6:32] <roasted> right
[6:33] <roasted> do this
[6:33] <roasted> cd /
[6:33] <roasted> ls -l
[6:33] <roasted> what are the perms of media
[6:33] <BigBadGhost> rwxr-xr-x
[6:33] <roasted> k, good
[6:33] <roasted> bear with me here
[6:34] <roasted> some of this may seem repetitive
[6:34] <roasted> but it's a killer when I'm not seeing it first hand
[6:34] <roasted> in fact, fk it, try this
[6:34] <BigBadGhost> No worries at all. Really appreciate the help. I've spent so much time trying to get this thing gould
[6:34] <roasted> sudo chmod -R 755 /media/ghost
[6:34] <BigBadGhost> going*
[6:34] <roasted> that'll filter 755 perms from ghost downward
[6:35] <roasted> BigBadGhost: we're almost there, I'm sure of it.
[6:35] <BigBadGhost> done
[6:35] <roasted> It's just a permissions/authentication issue. The real meat is already there, though.
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[6:35] <roasted> close nautilus, reopen
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[6:35] <roasted> CTRL + L and smb://ip.of.samba.server
[6:35] <roasted> success??
[6:36] <DooMMasteR> 13x13 RGB-LED array http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFCBGKpy5rM :)
[6:36] <BigBadGhost> roasted: no :/
[6:36] <roasted> was this server rebooted?
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[6:37] <BigBadGhost> a while ago
[6:37] <roasted> k, so
[6:37] <roasted> just to recap
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[6:38] <roasted> /media/ghost and downward is all ghost:ghost 755 perms
[6:38] <roasted> valid users = ghost is in smb.conf
[6:38] <roasted> smb.conf's dir path is /media/ghost/Skyline/Movies
[6:38] <roasted> and you're trying to access the server via Nautilus - smb://192.168.what.ever
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[6:38] <roasted> all correct?
[6:38] <BigBadGhost> Yep
[6:38] <xiambax> Could you in theory solder a ethernet header on the model a and pull your usb?
[6:38] <roasted> To be honest... I say f it... reboot the server
[6:39] <roasted> I distantly recall a similar issue I had at some point and I refused to reboot my server... but ultimately I got impatient and did so and it fixed my issue.
[6:39] <roasted> There was a service I was needing to restart that I was missing.
[6:39] <roasted> I just didn't want to devote the time to find it since I knew restarting would reboot all services anyway
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[6:40] <roasted> I feel like this issue is all-but-fixed, but I'm running on fumes and want to see it work, but I have nothing else to advise besides rebooting it.
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[6:40] <BigBadGhost> Rebooting now.
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[6:40] <ShiftPlusOne> xiambax, Not sure what you're asking. What do you mean by ethernet header and 'pull your usb' ?
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[6:40] <BigBadGhost> It's a clean install on the server too, which is why It's so strange. When I say clean install, I mean less than 5 hours old
[6:40] <xiambax> Install an ethernet jack and pull the usb port
[6:41] <roasted> BigBadGhost: all it takes is one wonky character in the smb.conf, one wrong permission setting, or one service you can't figure out how to individually reboot to give you a massive headache :P
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[6:42] <BigBadGhost> Poking around the conf now and see if I inadvertantly bumped something :)
[6:44] <roasted> no dice after the reboot?
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[6:44] <BigBadGhost> No:/
[6:44] <ShiftPlusOne> xiambax, you can install an ethernet jack, but it won't do anything, since there's no ethernet controller. I am still not sure what you mean by pull the usb port. Just remove it?
[6:44] <roasted> shit
[6:44] <ShiftPlusOne> roasted, >=/
[6:44] <roasted> BigBadGhost: I hate to do this to you but I'm running on fumes here
[6:45] <roasted> BigBadGhost: do you post on ubuntuforums or anything like that?
[6:45] <xiambax> ShiftPlusOne: well there isn't a hub on the board so i figured you would have to pull the jack
[6:45] <BigBadGhost> No worries, I am not giving up :) Will see what else I can come up with.
[6:45] <roasted> ShiftPlusOne: >=/
[6:46] <BigBadGhost> roasted: I do appreciate all of the help though. I'm glad it wasn't me going crazy or anything
[6:46] <xiambax> BigBadGhost: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html try this
[6:46] <ShiftPlusOne> xiambax, it's the word 'pull' I am not getting. You want to tug on it or something? =p
[6:46] <xiambax> aka remove
[6:47] <roasted> BigBadGhost: post the issue up on ubuntuforums or something like that, see if you can get some hits.
[6:47] <ShiftPlusOne> xiambax, yay. You can, but you shouldn't. There is no hub, but it's connected straight to the bcm chip which has a usb controller.
[6:47] <BigBadGhost> Someone brought it up earlier but the question was, "Why are you using samba to share a *nix to *nix"
[6:47] <roasted> yeah
[6:47] <roasted> you don't need Samba for linux to linux file sharing
[6:47] <ShiftPlusOne> xiambax, so you can still either use 1 device or plug in your own hub.
[6:47] <xiambax> Did they recommend NFS?
[6:47] <roasted> instead you can use NFS, but I find NFS to be kind of :/
[6:48] <BigBadGhost> Only reason I could come up with was because I don't know how to set it up any other way :P
[6:48] <roasted> In order for NFS to work, you need to have matching UID's on both systems, which is a royal pain in the tailpipe.
[6:48] <xiambax> Yeah, I have never been able to get nfs to work properly.
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[6:48] <xiambax> I use Apple file shares as I own a mac
[6:48] <xiambax> Isn't samba painfully slow?
[6:48] <roasted> No.
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[6:48] <roasted> I've compared Samba to NFS many times. In most cases, it's nearly dead on identical in speed.
[6:49] <roasted> Some people swear it's slow, but I have yet to see it in any experiment I've done.
[6:49] <roasted> Just my 2c speaking though.
[6:49] <Triffid_Hunter> I've stopped using nfs, it caused too many problems for me.. I tend to prefer sshfs these days
[6:49] <xiambax> That reminds me, I should check my RMA status on my WD drive
[6:49] <xiambax> All Hail 5 Year Warranties!
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[6:49] <roasted> BigBadGhost: don't let this issue go. We're close dude. It'll be one of those "Wow! That was amazingly stupid!" things that we overlooked, guaranteed.
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[6:50] <BigBadGhost> roasted: Yep! haha. I'm checking that Samba guide that Xiam linked
[6:50] <roasted> BigBadGhost: it's just beyond difficult to really pinpoint this without having my hands on the keyboard.
[6:50] <roasted> BigBadGhost: do you frequent this channel?
[6:50] <bonks> Guys I finally figured out how to make my rpi an access point, using an $8 usb wifi dongle!
[6:50] <BigBadGhost> New as of today but I plan on making it my new home
[6:51] <BigBadGhost> Was always looking for a Rpi channel
[6:51] <roasted> BigBadGhost: sounds good. I'll keep your name in mind then. I hope next time we meet I hear of a success story.
[6:51] <Triffid_Hunter> bonks: iwconfig wlan0 mode master ?
[6:51] <BigBadGhost> You and me both. Thanks again, roasted
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[6:52] <roasted> and if it's not a success story, I'll surely be wel rested by then to give it another crack. :P
[6:52] <roasted> on to bed - later fellas!
[6:52] <BigBadGhost> roasted: take care, thanks again!
[6:52] <roasted> anytime, good luck
[6:52] <bonks> Triffid_Hunter: Nope, need to use hostapd. That was half the hard part. The other part was finding a dongle compatible with the pi and allowed master mode... and cheap
[6:52] <xiambax> I need to figure out how I am going to lock down my ipv6 network
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[6:57] <BigBadGhost> oh geez, I just noticed what might be a problem afterall with the smb.conf
[6:58] <BigBadGhost> Since I was trying to use a verified users list...I failed to change the security = share to = user
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[7:12] <BigBadGhost> Anyone happen to use RaspBMC and know how to remove a source from Movies or Music?
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[7:13] <Twi7ch> umm
[7:13] <Twi7ch> I did have to do that
[7:14] <Twi7ch> let me see if I can recall the steps
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[7:14] <BigBadGhost> Found it, just gotta open the context menu
[7:14] <Twi7ch> ah okay
[7:14] <BigBadGhost> Don't have a remote so wasn't sure what the keyboard shortcut was...much to my surprise, it was 'c'
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[7:16] <Twi7ch> It took me a while to figure it the first time
[7:16] <Twi7ch> I had to delete a bunch of sources and readd them to get the correct structure going for movies and tvshows
[7:17] <BigBadGhost> I'm pretty happy with the naming structure of the files now. They were a mess.
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[7:18] <BigBadGhost> From what I gather if I use Batman (1990).avi then it'll be picked up by whatever moviedb it uses
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[7:19] <Twi7ch> I'm not sure how picky it is. I'm using usenet which ties into sickbear and couchpotato. They handle all the renaming of movies and tvshows
[7:19] <Twi7ch> sickbeard*
[7:20] <BigBadGhost> Usenet, as in the old newsgroups thing? I had no clue that was still around
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[7:22] <Twi7ch> You bet. I prefer it over torrents for speed and SSL
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[7:23] <crenn> If you're in Melbourne, Australia, I'd recommend this: http://www.meetup.com/Melbourne-Raspberry-Jam/events/103010182/
[7:23] <BigBadGhost> Wow, I've never seen sickbeard and couchpotato, I dig it!
[7:24] <BigBadGhost> Do you have to pay for couchpotato?
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[7:24] <Twi7ch> nope
[7:24] <Twi7ch> both are free
[7:24] <Twi7ch> They are extremely nice if you want to automate all your downloading
[7:24] <BigBadGhost> and they know which newsgroups to search?
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[7:25] <Twi7ch> You have to provide that
[7:26] <Twi7ch> So you need to register with a nzb provider that gives you an API key
[7:26] <Twi7ch> then you plug that into couch and sickbeard
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[7:27] <BigBadGhost> Any recommendations on nzb provider? I've never seen these before.
[7:28] <BigBadGhost> and WOW, removing sources takes a long time to clean the database
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[7:47] <Twi7ch> check out r/usenet
[7:47] <Twi7ch> You'll find everything you need for the best providers
[7:48] <Twi7ch> And yeah the deletion/population of sources is a bitch
[7:48] <piney_> Twi7ch, watch your language please
[7:48] * piney_ refers to the topic
[7:48] <BigBadGhost> I probably have about 1TB of movies in the directory and it easily takes 30+ minutes to populate the first time
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[9:07] <Juul> anyone know how to reset the root password on raspbian?
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[9:15] <geordie> you can't
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[9:17] <geordie> log in as pi and use sudo
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[9:23] <Dyskette> Juul: sudo passwd
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[9:23] <Dyskette> Juul: or failing that, sudo su should let you login as root with your sudo password, then you can simply 'passwd' as root
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[9:28] <tapout> for some reason, I cannot get Networking to work, I can ping the windows box but from the raspberry pi i cannot access \\ for example, and when i Go->networking and then double click on "Windows Network" it says .. "Failed to retreive share list from server"
[9:29] <Juul> Dyskette, ok thanks
[9:30] <Triffid_Hunter> tapout: you need to change a bunch of stuff in windows permissions and security settings for that to work, I can't remember all the stuff you need to touch
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[9:30] <tapout> ah damn, well lemme ask you this. A one-time move of files to the raspberry pi, how would you do it?
[9:31] <Dyskette> tapout: I'd probably use pscp from the windows box
[9:31] <tapout> what is pscp? never heard of it, sounds great
[9:31] <tapout> googling :)
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[9:31] <Dyskette> tapout: basically the PuTTY scp client
[9:32] <tapout> OMG
[9:32] <tapout> lol so dumb, i didn't know that existed
[9:32] <Triffid_Hunter> was about to say sshfs, but that doesn't work on windows
[9:33] <tapout> does the raspberry pi halt on keyboard/mouse missing?
[9:33] <tapout> i want to test it but this damn update has been going 1 hour at least
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[9:34] <Dyskette> tapout: shouldn't do
[9:34] <PredaGR> anyone knows if the kernel in the git has CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION enabled?
[9:34] <Triffid_Hunter> tapout: no it boots fine without kb/mouse. that's a legacy bios thing with x86 motherboards that support PS/2
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[9:34] <Dyskette> tapout: I've never had a keyboard or mouse plugged into mine
[9:35] <tapout> god damn i love you for telling me about pscp
[9:36] <Dyskette> Useful little thing
[9:37] <nid0> if you're more used to an ftp client style interface theres also winscp and a whole bunch of other scp software available
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[9:39] <tapout> i wish there was a way to speed up the raspberry pi
[9:39] <tapout> it's awesome but imagine the same sized thing running just as fast as a computer today
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[9:41] <Triffid_Hunter> tapout: sure, there's quad core ARM around these days, that'll be what you're after
[9:41] <tapout> i've got X auto booting, how can I auto-start VNC on 1 video file? Essentially making a baby sleep assister :) .. playing that 10 hour relaxation file from youtube (i have it downloaded)
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[9:43] <gordonjcp> tapout: stick it in .xinitrc
[9:43] <tapout> sweet
[9:43] <gordonjcp> tapout: I doubt you even need a window manager
[9:43] <tapout> to play music?
[9:43] <tapout> i didn't know a console app would play a *.flv or anything
[9:44] <tapout> i'm just trying to get vnc running to play the sound
[9:44] <gordonjcp> well mplayer has various backends
[9:44] <gordonjcp> why vnc?
[9:44] <tapout> oh if i said vnc, sorry
[9:44] <tapout> vlc rather
[9:44] <gordonjcp> I *did* wonder
[9:44] <gordonjcp> window manager != X
[9:44] <gordonjcp> X just draws stuff
[9:44] <tapout> i thought X windows = what i see
[9:45] <gordonjcp> *kind of*
[9:45] <gordonjcp> X Windows is the thing that actually draws stuff
[9:45] <gordonjcp> you say "draw a line", X draws a line
[9:45] <gordonjcp> that's why it's called an X *server*
[9:45] <tapout> what window manager is this using?
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[9:47] <tapout> nid0,thanks for winscp
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[9:51] <tapout> what's the max speed of a class 10 card reading on a raspberry pi?
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[9:51] <Tachyon`> how long is a piece of string
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[9:51] <Tachyon`> it depends on the card and what you're doing
[9:52] <ShiftPlusOne> tapout, overclocked - https://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/shiftplusone_sd_speed_test_with_iozone.png
[9:52] <tapout> i'm sending this file over ssh and it's capping out at 200KB/sec after peaking early
[9:53] <tapout> is there a way to force 16K blocks?
[9:53] <tapout> look at the spike
[9:53] <Tachyon`> use dd to copy it? I dunno
[9:53] <Tachyon`> It shouldn't matter
[9:54] <Tachyon`> I'd suggest something else is slowing it down
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[9:55] <tapout> i'm doing an iozone .. perhaps these kingston 16gb class 10's suck
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[9:55] <ShiftPlusOne> No, it doesn't sound like an sd problem
[9:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Is this over wifi?
[9:55] <tapout> yes
[9:56] <ShiftPlusOne> That's what I think the problem is.
[9:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Just a guess though
[9:56] <ParkerR> Anbody here good with php?
[9:56] <tapout> whoever backed the raspberry pi must have a great morning each and everyday knowing they made such a change in the world for everyone...
[9:57] <tapout> I'd walk like a pimp and hey, I'M WHITE lol
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[9:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd imagine they get harassed by trolls derping on about how it doesn't connect to their $10k projector and is therefore not a multimedia center and so on.
[9:58] <tapout> lol
[9:59] <tapout> where did you get the iozone deb file shift?
[9:59] <tapout> do you have a sources.list entry that covered it?
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[9:59] <Tachyon`> ah, kingston cards have brought me nothing but problems, mostlydue to the nasty plastic casings than the electronics though
[9:59] <ShiftPlusOne> No, I use arch and I just compiled it myself.
[10:00] <tapout> you use 'arch'? arch linux?
[10:00] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[10:00] <tapout> i thought we were stuck with raspberian pi or whatever it is.. wheezy
[10:00] <ShiftPlusOne> doesn't matter though it will take a minute to download iozone and compile it on raspbian
[10:00] <Tachyon`> raspbian
[10:00] <ShiftPlusOne> No, you can use a large range of distros
[10:00] <Tachyon`> arch is for people who are overly masochistic
[10:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Tachyon`, not true, that would be gentoo or lfs
[10:01] <ShiftPlusOne> arch isn't any more 'complicated' than raspbian, imho
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[10:02] <Tachyon`> I didn't have muchluck with it
[10:03] <ShiftPlusOne> That's because you're doing some trippy web server cluster voodoo
[10:03] <Tachyon`> actually I just didn't know which packages to installto make it usable, lol
[10:03] <ShiftPlusOne> isable in what way?
[10:03] <ShiftPlusOne> *usable
[10:03] <Tachyon`> well,e xcept on teh pandora where it wouldn't boot at all
[10:04] <tapout> is there one distro that works the best, in performance than another or are they all similar
[10:04] <nid0> theres not much difference performance wise, which distro you use is largely just personal preference
[10:04] <Tachyon`> they're all much the same
[10:04] <ShiftPlusOne> tapout, I think all the hardfloat distros will have the same performance, apart fromt he different boot times and preinstalled bloat.
[10:04] <Tachyon`> things like overclocoking and debug will make some difference
[10:04] <Tachyon`> as will hardhf if the apps actually use it
[10:07] <tapout> my | key doesn't work, anyone ever have that? i get ~ or #
[10:08] <ShiftPlusOne> change the keyboard layout
[10:08] <tapout> rapsi-config ?
[10:08] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[10:08] <ShiftPlusOne> sudo raspi-config to be exact
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[10:10] <tapout> should a normal keyboard be Generic 105 key?
[10:11] <ShiftPlusOne> not sure, just make sure it's usa (I am guessing that's what you're after), and then if it doesn't work, try again.
[10:12] * ShiftPlusOne has never counted the number of keys on a keyboard and is not sure why they use that as a standard.
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[10:13] <Dyskette> ShiftPlusOne: because it varies based on whether or not you have windows-keys, and you hardly want to ask if they have a mircrosoft-style keyboard
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[10:14] <ShiftPlusOne> why not?
[10:14] <Dyskette> But yeah, 105 is a standard keyboard + winkeys and the rmb-alike-key
[10:14] <ShiftPlusOne> better than asking the user to count the number of keys and wonder if media, function or macro keys count
[10:15] <Dyskette> ShiftPlusOne: those keys are not generic
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[10:15] <SimonJ57> Evening
[10:15] <nid0> isnt 105 european, and 104 us?
[10:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Doesn't mean it's not silly
[10:15] <nid0> being as us keyboards have 1 less key
[10:15] <Dyskette> nid0: what is a european keyboard exactly? You mean UK?
[10:15] <erska> US keyboard has 104 keys, I think.. many european layouts have 105 keys, the extra key is located between left shift and Z, and it usually has the | in it (among other varying characters)
[10:16] <Dyskette> Because there are lots of countries in europe, and they all use different keyboard layouts/keycounts
[10:16] <SimonJ57> Dyskette: Anywhere from europe, French, spanish, german, even nordic languages IIRC.
[10:16] <Dyskette> My Danish keyboards have two-three more keys than my UK keyboards
[10:16] <nid0> Dyskette: as far as I know in terms of key number, european keyboards are all 105 regardless of whether they're uk qwerty, german azerty, etc
[10:16] * Dyskette shakes her head
[10:16] <SimonJ57> Dyskette: You and your SS key, what is that symbol for?
[10:16] <Dyskette> SimonJ57: SS?
[10:17] <Dyskette> SimonJ57: it's the ?? and ?? mainly
[10:17] <SimonJ57> Dyskette: Top left of your keyboard, looks like two S's stacked.
[10:17] <Dyskette> (28-letter alphabet, plus w)
[10:17] <Dyskette> SimonJ57: er... no?
[10:18] <SimonJ57> Dyskette: I might be confusing the danish to a norweigan layout.
[10:18] <SimonJ57> as far away as they are.
[10:18] <tapout> hey ShiftPlusOne, how long does your iozone usually take to rung?
[10:18] <tapout> run?>
[10:18] <SimonJ57> And I apologise.
[10:18] <ShiftPlusOne> tapout, depends on the options. If defaults, then forever.
[10:19] <Dyskette> Anyway, worktime.
[10:19] * Dyskette runs away
[10:19] <tapout> ShiftPlusOne, i got .. 51200, 4 .. and then nothing
[10:19] <tapout> one line
[10:19] <Tachyon`> hrm, a dyskette, somewhere to store your bites
[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> tapout, ask TAFB about it, I don't use iozone. I just pasted the command he gave and he generated the chart.
[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB_zzz, wake up! ^
[10:20] <SimonJ57> I'm looking for Raspian emulation through Qemu, Is it wise to start here or in the linux IRC?
[10:20] <ParkerR> Simon-, There is a qemu build the emulaes the Rpi
[10:21] <ParkerR> *emulates
[10:21] <ParkerR> Or patches https://github.com/Torlus/qemu-rpi
[10:21] <ParkerR> Or if you use arch linux https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/qemu-rpi-git/
[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> SimonJ57, how close do you need the emulation to be?
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[10:22] <SimonJ57> ShiftPlusOne: Not very, I'm on windows using Qemu manager, probably should update it before trying it.
[10:23] <ShiftPlusOne> SimonJ57, this should be good enough http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/
[10:23] <burito> evening folks
[10:23] <SimonJ57> ShiftPlusOne: Reguardless, I'm wondering about Kernel images and RAM disk images.
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[10:23] <ShiftPlusOne> If you want to boot the real kernel, you need to use torlus' patches
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[10:24] <burito> Wow SimonJ57 you've really jumped in head first in the few hours since I was here
[10:24] <burito> top stuff
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[10:25] <SimonJ57> burito: I thought I'd give raspian a look-in, even if emulated. Saves me spending ??10 on a preinstalled SD card and buy a balnk 8Gb one to try other OSes instead.
[10:25] <SimonJ57> burito: Not that Minix 3 asked for Kernel images or the like.
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[10:33] <ghallberg> Is anyone using an R_Pi as a torrentbox?
[10:33] <ghallberg> I'm trying to find good settings to get high throughput without crashes...
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[10:43] <SixtyFold> does anyone have bluetooth on there rPi?
[10:43] <SixtyFold> s/there/their
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[11:09] <Ryanteck> Morning
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[11:16] <martk100> Is it possible to install chromium-browser on archlinux? My skills don't run to modifying pkgbuilds.
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[11:20] <darknite> martk100: hmm, seems to be a package for it? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Chromium
[11:20] <darknite> ok then
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[11:28] <thunkee> hi, sound playback with mpg312 only works with sudo mg321 any issues to fix it working without sudo?
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[11:55] <Weaselweb> thunkee: is there an audio group and your user is in it?
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[11:55] <Davespice> anyone here use a Squeezebox Touch?
[11:56] <Davespice> I was just wondering if the screen might have a dsi connector inside, so it could be cannibalised to make a screen for the Pi
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[12:03] <linuxstb> thunkee: Are you running Raspbian? Are you the default (pi) user, or have you created a new account?
[12:04] <thunkee> Weaselweb: thx adding user to group audio and relog does
[12:04] <thunkee> linuxstb: yes got a new user
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[12:05] <linuxstb> thunkee: Then what Weaselweb said. For reference, the "pi" user is in the following groups - pi adm dialout cdrom sudo audio video plugdev games users ssh input
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[12:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> I has a model a in my hands
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo :)
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> Farnell delivery?
[12:15] <companion> Woke up my doughter by saying 'Ive slept with your mom' she got pissed but she was out of bed verry rapidly this time
[12:15] <Armand> O_O
[12:15] <Armand> Harsh!!
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[12:18] <Phrewfuf|work> hey guys...have you ever seen windows 7 run on a pi? :D
[12:18] <nid0> no, because it doesnt
[12:18] <Davespice> Phrewfuf|work: I've seen it done through Remote Desktop Protocol
[12:18] <Phrewfuf|work> Davespice: check this out http://youtu.be/WYQyUqFck6I
[12:18] <Phrewfuf|work> :D
[12:19] <Phrewfuf|work> it is booting straight to windows :P
[12:19] <mjr> well, there's bochs
[12:19] <nid0> no it isnt
[12:19] <Phrewfuf|work> oh, don't mind the bosch tape, i don't know where we got it
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> companion, why did you get your daughter drunk?
[12:20] <companion> Gordio, I dint
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> I'm not Gordio, I'm Gordon. You said she got pissed ... that's drunk.
[12:21] <Phrewfuf|work> nid0: i see you, fine sir, have no sense of humour at all
[12:21] <Davespice> Phrewfuf|work: I presume that is RDP then? I've heard talk about schools doing this and using the Pi's a dumb terminals for a citrix type system
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[12:21] <mjr> yeah the video looks definitely like RDP
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[12:21] <companion> gordonDrogon, my language aint that well xD
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[12:21] <mjr> I can't hear it properly here so I can't tell what they're saying
[12:21] <Phrewfuf|work> yeah, it is rdp, though i still find it hilarious
[12:21] <nid0> I have plenty of sense of humour, but "omg windaz on a pi" threads and videos crop up on like a weekly basis with people just running rdp/citrix/whatever
[12:21] <mjr> there was even some typical rdp tiling stuff
[12:22] <mjr> nid0, yeah
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> companion, 2 nations separated by an (un) common language.
[12:22] <companion> gordonDrogon, nah I am too lazy to use propper language on IRC
[12:22] <Davespice> Phrewfuf|work: it does prove the Pi is usable for a citrix system though, where all the IT people in the school really don't want to have to give up their Windows knoweldge and experience, but want nice and cheap terminals for the users
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[12:23] <Phrewfuf|work> though the hardest part was getting the USBoIP to run, serious PITA
[12:23] <Hoerie> isn't there already a citrix ready image available
[12:23] <Davespice> oh, you're not just using ethernet?
[12:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> gordonDrogon yes farnell
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:24] <Phrewfuf|work> Davespice: problem was, that the windows needs to talk to the lasercutter
[12:24] <nid0> Hoerie: yeah, theres a "thin client project" image with pretty much every remote desktopping client under the sun preconfigured on it
[12:24] <Phrewfuf|work> like...directly...this thing has no linux support at all >.<
[12:24] <Hoerie> I guess that solves the "I want to read comics, but my computerroom is too cold" problem
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[12:25] <Hoerie> so you use the pi as a conduit between a lasercutter and a windows box?
[12:25] <Phrewfuf|work> Hoerie: if your computer room is too cold, your computers are not computing hard enough :D
[12:25] <Phrewfuf|work> Hoerie: essentially, yes
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[12:25] <Phrewfuf|work> well..."windows box"
[12:26] <Phrewfuf|work> it's a virtual machine in the server room on the other end of the building
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[12:27] <Hoerie> I wonder if my 40" tv would work as a display for comics or if I would need to sit really close to be able to read
[12:28] <SixtyFold> umm, dpends on the resolution
[12:28] <SixtyFold> really
[12:29] <SixtyFold> on my 50" tv 1366x768 resolution you can read just fine from 10 feet away, i dont like to do it, but you definitely can and if i read comics, id probably do it for that since its not exactly 1,000 words
[12:30] <Hoerie> 1080p in my case
[12:30] <Hoerie> I guess it's a question of trying it out
[12:30] <Hoerie> now to find a comic reader that works on the pi
[12:31] <SixtyFold> well, it's a computer, you can always drop the resolution to 720p ofc
[12:31] <Hoerie> but then I would need to scroll :-(
[12:31] <SixtyFold> idk, would you?
[12:31] <Hoerie> or maybe not if it autoscales
[12:31] <SixtyFold> gotta just try like you said i guess
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[12:33] <Phrewfuf|work> Hoerie: just use one for windows :P
[12:33] <SixtyFold> i think his idea was to lay in bed and read comics or something
[12:33] <SixtyFold> i could be wrong, idk
[12:34] <Phrewfuf|work> SixtyFold: yeah, still possible...just RDP into a windows box and read comics as usual...while laying in the bed
[12:34] <SixtyFold> if he has a device to read from bed ofc you mean
[12:34] <SixtyFold> hehe
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[12:34] <SixtyFold> in which he could probably just load the comics on that anyhow
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[12:35] <SixtyFold> he also didnt seem to want to scroll the comics, so anything for bed short of mounting a 22" monitor to his wall on a swinging arm for his bed like i have done, would be too small xD
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[12:36] <Phrewfuf|work> :D
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[13:17] <Hoerie> actually it's for my livingroom, not my bed. Same difference though
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[13:18] <Hoerie> I could either remote to my windows box or do it on the pi itself, the latter saves power though
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> Ugh. I'm getting spam from Farnell now. At least one a day too )-:
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> I've un-ticked all the boxes that allow them to send me emails and they're still sending me their spam.
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> they are as bad as RS now. I had to totally block RS too.
[13:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Did you try unsubscribing using the link at the bottom of the email?
[13:19] <nid0> "several weeks to remove you from lists" blahblah
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, I didn't ask to be subscribed - I un-ticked all the boxes when I placed my last order.
[13:20] <Hoerie> at least Farnell won't use the unsubscribe link to confirm your e-mail as one interesting for spam lists
[13:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, just throwing out an option you can try.
[13:20] <nid0> did you read the unticks carefully though? :P
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
[13:20] <nid0> "untick if you wouldnt like to not be not unsubscribed to our newsletter"
[13:21] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[13:21] <TLoFP> do the GPIO pins route to the ARM Processor or the Broadcom BCM 2835 ?
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> the latter AIUI.
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[13:23] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: that suprises me, how come GPIO is handled by the GPU and not the CPU ?
[13:23] <TLoFP> am I missing something?
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[13:24] <gordonjcp> TLoFP: because it's a CPU, not an MPU
[13:24] <gordonjcp> MCU rather
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[13:27] <TLoFP> I see
[13:27] <TLoFP> I guess I am too ignorant to not find that combination strange
[13:27] <TLoFP> thanks though : )
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> just think of it as a bunch of hardware bolted onto the cpu.
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> or a cpu bolted onto a bunch of other hardware - which is probably more the case here!
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[13:29] <TLoFP> I just kept thinking of the ARM as the "primary CPU"
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[13:29] <gordonDrogon> well.. the GPU is 10x bigger than the ARM and it really controlls everything.
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[13:30] <gordonjcp> TLoFP: does the CPU in your desktop PC control the GPIO?
[13:31] <TLoFP> mhh
[13:31] <TLoFP> no I suppose the CPU talks to a chip that controlls the PCI bus
[13:31] <gordonjcp> TLoFP: of course it doesn't, that's the Southbridge's job
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[13:31] <TLoFP> ok, I am quickly becoming confortable with the idea now
[13:32] <TLoFP> I guess I was thinking too arduinoi
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[13:32] <gordonjcp> I wonder if you call the tracks on the PCB that run underneath the Southbridge chip the Cowgate
[13:34] <Hoerie> lol
[13:34] <Hoerie> then you could call something crossing the tracks the ox ford
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[13:39] <TLoFP> in all of your guys infinite wisdom, do you think it is possible to rewrite the broadcom driver for SPI to allow the use of all GPIO for SS pins ?
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> yes, it's possible.
[13:40] <TLoFP> good, ill give it a shot then : P
[13:41] <TLoFP> its that or redesign hardware which is already build :(
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> However the existing CE pins are part of the hardware driver, so the get toggled automatically when you kick off a SPI oprtation.
[13:41] <TLoFP> right
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> you just need to wrap the transactions with equivalent toggles of your own gpio pins.
[13:41] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: I am talking about modefing the bcm2835 driver so that that does NOT happen
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[13:41] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, you can't - the existing ones are toggled by the hardware, not software.
[13:42] <TLoFP> : (
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> it's not an issue.
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> you just don't connect anything to them and use your own.
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[13:42] <TLoFP> I need exactly 7 SS and 7 GPIO
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> I think I might be tempted to use one of them though and AND it with the user-defined CE pin to keep the timing on the CE signal to the same as before.
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[13:43] <gordonDrogon> use a shift register for the CE pins then? slower...
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[13:44] <Brianetta> Wow. You guys must be talking hardware, because since I wandered in I've understood... nothing. Nothing at all. (:
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> or an I2C gpio device (even slower)
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[13:44] <TLoFP> I need it fast though, I might have to give up a channel then, but that means redesign of hardware : (
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[13:44] <TLoFP> also: http://www.open.com.au/mikem/bcm2835/ have you seen that?
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> yes, I have seen his stuff.
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> he ripped off my wiringPi libraries to write his early stuff.
[13:45] <TLoFP> but it is irrelevent now, because you say that it is impossible to tell the bcm to not toggle the ss pins
[13:45] <TLoFP> oh, I see
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[13:45] <gordonDrogon> that's my understanding - it's all part of a hardware solution - designed to make the software easier.
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[13:46] <gordonDrogon> why not front the Pi with a microcontroller more suited to your needs, then you can just talk high-level to it via e.g. serial to get the results?
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[13:46] <TLoFP> its a speed issue
[13:47] <Brianetta> Can GPIO pins be commanded to effectively short together, such that they could act as a switch to another Pi's hardware reset?
[13:47] <TLoFP> I would need a micro that can simulatenously read out 20 Mbits of data and spit it back to the PI at the same rate
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[13:47] <Jck_true> 20Mbits?!
[13:47] <TLoFP> oh this is a major bummer
[13:48] <Jck_true> TLoFP: What you doing with the data?
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> the A/D doesn't sample that fast. you can turn the clock down.
[13:48] <mgottschlag> Brianetta: you might want a resistor inbetween so that it doesn't release smoke when you accidently configure both as output
[13:48] <mgottschlag> or do you mean software side connection, without external parts?
[13:49] <mgottschlag> in that case, you should rather use a watchdog timer
[13:49] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: no but 7 of them put together sample that fast
[13:49] <Brianetta> Well, I'm thinking a simple way to get one Pi to reset another Pi
[13:49] <Brianetta> assuming that the target Pi has reset headers added
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> Brianetta, if you want one Pi to reset another Pi, then yes - but you only need 1 Pi on the resetting Pi to go to the reset pin on the other Pi (plus ground)
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> *1 pin on the resetting Pi ...
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> although I'd check the schematic first - I think it's a high value pull-up resistor on it.
[13:50] <Brianetta> OK (:
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, the Pi really isn't the right device for it.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, not without a lot of hacking.
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[13:51] <Jck_true> TLoFP: And even if you say it's 20Mbit of data a second - Can't you just do more processing on the MCU?
[13:53] <TLoFP> Jck_true: what would I process ont he MCU ?
[13:53] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: when SPI initialized it sets the CE1 and CE0 pin to its alternate function, as the SS pins
[13:53] <Jck_true> TLoFP: I don't know - depends on what your original goal - I joined halfway in - But you're not planning on storing 20mbits a second to a file a you?
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[13:54] <TLoFP> what if I don't initialize them that way and simply set them as input/output
[13:54] <TLoFP> Jck_True I plan to spit it out over ethernet
[13:54] * TLoFP regreds not knowing anything about electronics : (
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[13:55] <Jck_true> TLoFP: 20Mbit is still alot of data over ethernet... What you gonna do with it on the receiving end?
[13:55] <TLoFP> Store it
[13:56] <Jck_true> 20Mbit a sec? that's 100 mb in 5 second - That's a gb in a minutl...
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[13:57] <TLoFP> ok, its more like 4 MBit to 14 MBit, but the point is that it isn't continious
[13:57] <TLoFP> but yes, that is alot of data
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[13:59] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, CE or SS - You are the onlt one I've heard refer to the SPI Chip Enable pins as SS, however yes, they are set to alternative mode.
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[14:00] <TLoFP> Sorry, I got to know them as Slave Selects
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> same thing.
[14:04] <Weaselweb> I only read slave selects in freescale data sheets
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[14:12] <mdik> is there a bot around which i could ask something like "!lastseen"?
[14:14] <Jck_true> /topic #raspberrypi
[14:14] <Jck_true> mdik: No - But there's logs here http://srv.datagutt1.com
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[14:15] <Brianetta> Jck_true: Everybody here is registered with services. You could try /nickserv info Bob
[14:16] <Brianetta> Sorry, meant to direct that at mdik
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[14:19] <mdik> / nickserv is an unknown command?
[14:20] <ShiftPlusOne> /msg nickserv help
[14:21] <ShiftPlusOne> (you missed the msg there)
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[14:21] <mdik> ok. thank you
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[14:24] <FR^2> mdik: And if you'd like to leave a message, memoserv can help you: /msg memoserv help
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[14:40] <mdik> man, do i feel leet now (:
[14:41] <Brianetta> ShiftPlusOne: I didn't - my client sends anything id doesn't understand to the server as a QUOTE. I kind of assumed they all did that...
[14:41] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[14:42] <Brianetta> Still, now I'm better educated
[14:43] <pronto> http://raspberry.bagels.xxx/temp.png past few days of my Pi CPU temp (the numbers on the bottom mean nothing...gnuplot is confusing kinda)
[14:44] <nirox> uh, didnt know they started using .xxx tld
[14:44] <egrouse> yep
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> eek. .xxx's are expensive.
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[14:48] <pronto> nirox: they been out for about 2.5 years now or so
[14:48] <pronto> nirox: but like me and three other people use them, and none of us for acutal porn xD
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> ?160 for a 2-year registration.... think I'll leave it..
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[14:48] <pronto> woah
[14:49] <pronto> i pay about $70USD a year
[14:49] <pronto> expensive but not anywhere close to that
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[14:50] <Jck_true> 13USD each for my 4 domains I think
[14:51] <Jck_true> had to cancel my .info domain - GoDaddy suddenly started to get expensive after the first year or so :D
[14:51] <pronto> <insert required comment about how horrible godaddy is>
[14:53] <Jck_true> pronto: They are horrible... Absolutly... I only discovered later i couldn't close my account - every guide just reffered to how i could disable marketing emails from them
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[14:53] <pronto> Jck_true: who did you switch to?
[14:53] <pronto> i personally use namecheap
[14:54] <Jck_true> pronto: And 2 weeks after I cancelled - They gave me "%20 off if you come back"
[14:54] <Jck_true> pronto: I got them all at my local registor now (for .dk danish domains)
[14:54] <Armand> I need to move my domain reg.. I just started work with a web-services provider. :)
[14:55] <Jck_true> Someone really needs to create a simple no fuzz domain reseller
[14:55] <pronto> Jck_true: i heard gandi.net is pretty good
[14:55] <Jck_true> And they can look at VPS sellers
[14:55] <pronto> http://en.gandi.net/
[14:55] <Jck_true> On how to run their stuff
[14:56] <Armand> Jck_true, we do all that.. domain reg, VPS, cloud services.
[14:56] <Jck_true> Armand: From a simple interface? Prefferably with an API?
[14:57] <Armand> https://www.tsohost.com/
[14:57] <Jck_true> pronto: They look good! .dk and .re domains <3
[14:57] <Armand> Simple is a matter of opinion.. ;)
[14:57] <Armand> I've not used the services as a client yet.
[14:57] <pronto> Jck_true: when ever i see .dk i think of tha t horrible .tk (i think?) that did free domains, but only via some weird iframe thing
[14:58] <pronto> Armand: expect incoming PM
[14:58] <Armand> Sure
[14:58] <Jck_true> pronto: Danish Tld - Needed for my personal site :)
[14:58] <Jck_true> Armand: And sorry - You don't have .com or .re domains
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[14:59] <Jck_true> And that's really my basic requirement - To have all my domains in one place
[14:59] <Armand> We have .com
[14:59] <megaproxy> we sell .com
[14:59] <megaproxy> and can probably sell .re
[14:59] <Armand> ^ :)
[14:59] <megaproxy> leme check
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> I use a bunch called totalregistrations.co.uk although I'm considering migrating to portfast.co.uk for domains.
[15:00] <megaproxy> Jck_true: looks like we probably can do re domains
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[15:00] <gordonDrogon> Armand, I suggest you don't host your own domains with the company you work for :)
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[15:01] <Jck_true> pronto: Thanks for the link through - Gandi looks very tempting
[15:01] <Armand> gordonDrogon, dare I ask, why?
[15:02] <pronto> Jck_true: i've never used them, but a few of my friends do. and they've had zero complants that i know of
[15:03] <Jck_true> I was a customer with linode VPS till i got my first raspberry - They were expensive - But their homepage didn't have ads, they had actual life staff that wasn't outsourced indians, they had a well designed dashboard etc etc
[15:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Not to mention their uptime is great.
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> Armand, well - what if you decide they don't like you & fire you ...
[15:04] <ShiftPlusOne> In all my time with them, they only forced a reboot once and let me know way in advance.
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> Armand, worst case scenario....
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> Armand, and just the general keeping work & play separate.
[15:05] <af1> so how many of you guys have a study or *manspace*
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> I have an office.
[15:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> I have a shed
[15:05] <af1> i have to put up with using the rpi on the tv when no-one wants to watch it
[15:05] <Armand> gordonDrogon, if that's the case, which I'm sure it's not.. I'm sure they will remain professional. :)
[15:05] <af1> shed is too cold as is loft!
[15:06] <megaproxy> we will
[15:06] <megaproxy> well, i wont
[15:06] <Jck_true> ShiftPlusOne: I had a "accident" with a rogue script that caused my server to get flagged - even in that case - They wrote me an email - Suspending network to my box - and let me stop the job
[15:06] <megaproxy> ill point your domains to naughty things
[15:06] <megaproxy> muahah
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> right. spot of lunch time.
[15:07] <IT_Sean> af1: my apartment is my manspace
[15:07] <Jck_true> megaproxy: Well the 2-3 visitors we get a month won't really care :D
[15:07] * ShiftPlusOne wonders if registering a domain with megaproxy was a good idea D=
[15:07] <megaproxy> muahahaha
[15:07] <Jck_true> Was a big day the first time GoogleBot crawled my site....
[15:08] <af1> lol
[15:08] <megaproxy> my podcast site goes through a lot of bandwidth
[15:08] <megaproxy> gets a fair few hits too...
[15:08] <megaproxy> but ive not done a show in aaaaaaaages
[15:09] <Jck_true> Weird how your old useless junk is what people link to - and the new stuff you make doesn't get picked up
[15:09] <Jck_true> I made a google chart back in 2009 with app compatability for a jailbroken iphone... And I'm still getting hits...
[15:10] <Jck_true> Even if it's been outdated for half a 4 years
[15:10] <IT_Sean> af1: You can pick up an inexpensive television, you know, if you cannot get enough Pi time.
[15:10] <af1> i have a monitor and a desk and everything needed
[15:10] <af1> but no space
[15:11] <IT_Sean> oO
[15:11] <af1> 5 bed house and no space
[15:11] <IT_Sean> It's the size of a credit card...
[15:11] <IT_Sean> And an LCD TV is thin...
[15:11] <af1> to have somewhere to set it up
[15:11] <IT_Sean> ... you can put the lot of it anywere!
[15:11] <af1> lol
[15:11] <Jck_true> CeilingPi - Watching you in your sleep
[15:12] <af1> thats an idea
[15:12] <DeliriumTremens> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045IIZKU/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00
[15:12] <DeliriumTremens> that wont take up much space
[15:12] <af1> lol i like my eyesight though!
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> af1, http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/office.jpg
[15:15] <Gordio> WARNING: /boot appears to be a seperate partition but is not mounted. You probably just broke your system. Congratulations.
[15:16] <Gordio> Congratulations!!!
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> :)
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> what did you do?
[15:16] <gordonjcp> gordonDrogon: well while we're at that, http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/workbench.jpg <- an oldish pic
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> bit busy there! :)
[15:17] <af1> lol what is it all?
[15:18] <megaproxy> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/752/how-do-i-prevent-the-screen-from-going-blank < is that the right way to stop the pi blacking out the screen
[15:19] <af1> i know what a coffee cup is
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[15:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> megaproxy yes editing kbd file
[15:20] <megaproxy> i did what it says, so we shall wait and see
[15:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> for the console - for X need xset
[15:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> possibly I dont use x on my RPi
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[15:27] <megaproxy> anyone know if there is a way to get midori to open zoomed in?
[15:27] <megaproxy> having to go up to the tv and pressing ctrl + is annoying
[15:28] <darknite> megaproxy: try -e fullscreen
[15:28] <megaproxy> i have that, but its far too small
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[15:28] <megaproxy> like the page itself
[15:29] <darknite> aha
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[15:30] <darknite> megaproxy: http://wiki.xfce.org/midori/faq seems to mention something about a zoom level in settings file, might be what you're looking for
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[15:31] <megaproxy> any idea where the config file is?
[15:32] <locusf> is there a usb-hub that could power eg. 6 pi's, so the output would have to be like 12A?
[15:32] <mjr> more like 6A, but I don't know of any
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[15:34] <locusf> ok
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[15:36] <megaproxy> ok so that zoom setting..
[15:36] <megaproxy> how do i know what to set it too :|
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[15:37] <nid0> you can happily get 4A usb hubs, which is plenty for 6 pi's unless you're stringing usb devices off all the pi's
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[15:38] <megaproxy> y this no work !!
[15:38] <IT_Sean> locusf: if you are clustering, my recommendation would be to use a very well regulated 5v supply (capable of 1A * [number of Pis]) and power them via the 5v pin on GPIO
[15:39] <megaproxy> IT_Sean: make it work :(
[15:39] <IT_Sean> megaproxy: make WHAT work?
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[15:40] <megaproxy> zomm level in midori
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[15:40] <megaproxy> i want it to default to 200% zoom
[15:40] * IT_Sean turns the zoom knob to 200% and then glues it down
[15:40] <megaproxy> apparently there is a zoom-level setting you can add to config, but that does not seem to work
[15:40] <IT_Sean> i dunno what midori IS, let alone how to set a default zoom level in it. sorreh.
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[15:41] <Jck_true> 6Amps is alot....
[15:41] <megaproxy> deafult browser on raspbian
[15:41] <IT_Sean> ooh
[15:41] <azk> my zoom knob goes to 11
[15:41] <flufmnstr> could be an undocumented feature that disables the zoom setting
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[15:41] <locusf> IT_Sean: ok
[15:41] <Jck_true> locusf: I would run a 12V backend and then use a 12V->5V for each :)
[15:43] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[16:13] <roasted> hello friends
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[16:14] <Mortvert> Oh herro.
[16:15] <IT_Sean> yello
[16:16] <lucasorion> hey everyone - any linux permissions gurus here? I'm having issues with sabnzbd/sickbeard downloads not having full rwxrwxrwx permissions, particularly when they are moved by sickbeard into a mounted folder on my NAS (every file has rw-rw-rw- perms)
[16:16] <Mortvert> Sent my rpi back just now, a express mail even :D
[16:16] <Mortvert> (got one from faulty batch from RS)
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[16:18] <SwK> lucasorion: not all files are supposed to have x set in their perms that means a file is executable???
[16:18] <lucasorion> ok, so that won't interfere with xbmc working with the files at all?
[16:18] <egrouse> nope
[16:18] <SwK> in theory no
[16:18] <egrouse> shouldnt do
[16:19] <IT_Sean> installing xbmc on your Pi?
[16:19] <lucasorion> got xbmc installed, on Raspbmc
[16:19] <IT_Sean> neat
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[16:20] * IT_Sean has xbmc on a 1st gen AppleTV (crystalbuntu). Working on getting a USB tuner working with it.
[16:20] <lucasorion> I've been having issues with permissions, but seemed to resolve them last night by mounting my NAS as the sickbeard user
[16:20] <lucasorion> that fstab line is tricky
[16:20] <lucasorion> I threw everything but the kitchen sink at it trying to resolve this
[16:21] <SwK> IT_Sean: how hard was getting that on gen1 ATV?
[16:21] <lucasorion> "/etc/fstab"
[16:21] <IT_Sean> SwK: it was very easy.
[16:21] <IT_Sean> It installs from a USB thumbdrive.
[16:21] <SwK> oh kool
[16:21] <IT_Sean> Takes all of half an hour, including download time.
[16:22] <SwK> imo apple screwed up dropping local storage from the ATV
[16:22] <IT_Sean> What took longer was cracking the thing open to swap the wifi card out with a better graphics card, to enable 1080 output
[16:22] <SwK> lol
[16:22] <IT_Sean> But even that i can do in my sleep.
[16:22] <lucasorion> any of you figure out ways to minimize power usage with storage when you aren't going to be using it? I have a 3T usb movie drive that I don't want spinning all day and night
[16:23] <SwK> wait? swaping for grafix card? mini-pci?
[16:23] <IT_Sean> It's a pretty sweet rig. I boot off the internal HDD, but i keep my emdia on an external 500 gig (quickly running out of space on it, may need to upgrade soonish).
[16:23] <IT_Sean> SwK: yup.
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[16:40] <mdik> i'm waiting for the moment the first people get arrested for broadcasting the star wars opener on 103.3 MHz <:
[16:41] <frikinz> Anyone has an idea about a fix for the omxplayer regression? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=32339&p=278981
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[16:42] <Torikun> http://www.mcmelectronics.com is having a Raspbery PI and accessory sale that ends Feb 10!
[16:42] <Torikun> I can email you the promo if you want the code
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[16:45] <megaproxy> where are the accesories?
[16:45] <megaproxy> oh to the right
[16:45] <megaproxy> derp
[16:46] <megaproxy> aw its US too :(
[16:46] <DeliriumTremens> Torikun: what is the sale?
[16:46] <DeliriumTremens> and did this just happen today?
[16:47] <Torikun> Yes
[16:47] <Torikun> I just got the email
[16:47] <Torikun> I know you ordered yesterday
[16:47] <DeliriumTremens> (????????????)???????????????
[16:47] <Torikun> lol
[16:47] <IT_Sean> O_O
[16:47] <Torikun> dm me your email addresss
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[16:48] <Torikun> maybe you can cancel your order DeliriumTremens
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[16:48] <Torikun> if the sale applys to you
[16:48] <DeliriumTremens> ah, neither of those help me any
[16:49] <Torikun> ah ok
[16:49] <DeliriumTremens> the case would have been marginally cheaper than the one i bought today
[16:49] <Torikun> Yeah I liked those prices!
[16:49] <DeliriumTremens> i already have a 5V supply and 4GB card at home i can use
[16:49] <linuxstb> frikinz: Perhaps you also need to update the firmware with rpi-update
[16:49] <DeliriumTremens> http://www.etsy.com/listing/117463447/raspberry-pi-computer-case
[16:50] <frikinz> linuxstb: could be yes. Unfortunatly I don't think I have enough space for that. I downgraded oxmplayer
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[16:52] <megaproxy> id stand on that case
[16:52] <megaproxy> and give myself horrible splinters
[16:52] <megaproxy> it just seems so... stand-on-able
[16:53] <DeliriumTremens> just dont stand on it barefoot
[16:54] * Torikun hates outlook!
[16:54] <frikinz> the last update (from a fresh latest raspbian) also introduced some regression on keyboard. some keys are missed. hummm
[16:56] <megaproxy> Torikun: use thunderbirf
[16:56] <megaproxy> uh
[16:56] <megaproxy> bird
[16:56] <Torikun> work
[16:56] <megaproxy> so?
[16:57] <megaproxy> thunderbird can do everything outlook can tbh
[16:57] <megaproxy> unless you dont have admin rights..
[16:58] <Torikun> corporate thing
[16:58] <Torikun> lol
[16:59] <frikinz> You could also try lotus notes for a day and you'd be happy to come back to outlook
[16:59] <Torikun> I used Lotus notes for a year and was the worst thing ever
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[17:02] <megaproxy> was it like gimp?
[17:02] <megaproxy> has potential, but utterly wasted
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[17:04] <Torikun> worse than gimp
[17:04] <Torikun> gimp is golden compared to lotus notes
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[17:06] <frikinz> Anyone else getting this keyboard stuck keys or missing keys? I didn't check what the update included. I suspect only the kernel would casue this.
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[17:15] <frikinz> Ok it comes from the usb hub. wonder why it only shows now
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[17:20] <peterrus> frikinz, that might be an power issue
[17:20] <peterrus> try a powered hub
[17:20] <peterrus> or connecting the keyboard directly
[17:21] <peterrus> I had those problems as well
[17:22] <frikinz> yes, I connected it directly. no powered hub here.
[17:22] <peterrus> made my regular hub into a powered one ;)
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[17:28] <frikinz> linuxstb: yes, that was it, an rpi-update solved it. too bad these files are not as .deb and handled as dependencies
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[17:31] <martk100> Is it possible to install chromium on archlinux? My skills don't run to modifying pkgbuilds or cross compiling.
[17:33] <darknite> martk100: have you checked https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Chromium ?
[17:34] <martk100> darknite: I have looked at it. It does not mention running on arm. There is a source package for armv7 but not armv6. I really want a binary. Any idea.
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[17:36] <darknite> i've seen it talked about on xda-dev but never looked closer i'm afraid
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[17:37] <martk100> darknite: I will have a closerf look at the wiki thanks.
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[17:43] <jeffszusz> hello
[17:44] <linuxstb> frikinz: Yes, it does seem a bit of a mess. I think it's perhaps that the rpi-update script gets the latest bleeding-edge firmware, whereas the repositories contain older, stable releaes.
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[17:54] <megaproxy> can someone help with rsync?
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[17:55] <chris_99> whats the problem megaproxy
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[17:56] <megaproxy> well... how do i do it
[17:56] <megaproxy> it says it uploaded. but i never put the password in
[17:56] <megaproxy> nor did it upload
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[18:13] <megaproxy> sorted it
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[18:16] <jeffszusz> is there a recommended / popular GPIO interface that protects the PI pins from over-voltage besides the Gertboard? maybe one that isn't as expensive?
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[18:17] <jeffszusz> i know there's a list on elinux of different devices but i'm not really clear on what i'm looking at there
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[18:19] <ShiftPlusOne> jeffszusz, you could just use a 5v tolerant buffer
[18:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Something like 74ac244 or 74AHC245 I think
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[18:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I think the 245 is bidirectional so you can use it for input and output, while the 244 can only be one or the other. I don't know too much about this myself though
[18:25] <jeffszusz> hmm
[18:25] <ShiftPlusOne> But I guess that wasn't really your question though
[18:25] <Uthark> What about opto-coupling? Overkill maybe?
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[18:26] <jeffszusz> i'm looking for something a *little* less simple - i do want a breakout board just not something as fully kitted out as the gertboard
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[18:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Roll your own =)
[18:27] <IT_Sean> jeffszusz: the only "ready built, just plonk it in" option that i know of is the gertboard
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[18:27] <IT_Sean> if you don't want that, you can make your own.
[18:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I think there are other options
[18:28] <jeffszusz> I'm an electronics newb; looking to learn to use the RPi's GPIO and basic electronics by the seat of my pants; not really at the point where i could design my own solution for this sort of thing
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[18:29] <Uthark> And you want to protect your GPIO pins, right?
[18:29] <jeffszusz> I need something that will let me get started learning to make LEDs blink
[18:29] <jeffszusz> yeah
[18:29] <jeffszusz> lol
[18:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't mean to push you towards anything, but designing your own would be a great way to learn those things. I'll shut up now though.
[18:29] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
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[18:30] <Uthark> Do you have any background in electronics?
[18:30] <ShiftPlusOne> jeffszusz, for blinking LEDs and such - https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
[18:30] <jeffszusz> well, experimenting and making mistakes is not something i want to do when the risk is burning out my pi ;)
[18:30] <swart> jeffszusz: look at the tutorials on Gordon Henderson's site
[18:30] <ShiftPlusOne> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/gpio-examples-1-a-single-led/
[18:30] <jeffszusz> and no, no background on electronics
[18:30] <swart> jeffszusz: you will make mistakes. it's not a bad thing :)
[18:30] <swart> that's how learning happens
[18:31] <IT_Sean> indeed
[18:31] <jeffszusz> well. highschool electronics course. ohms law and made some blinkenlights stuff. I remember little
[18:31] <ShiftPlusOne> swart, I think the bad thing that he's worried about is the pi burning
[18:31] <swart> I picked up a pi cobbler from adafruit and assembled it incorrectly. twice
[18:31] <ShiftPlusOne> not the mistake itself
[18:31] <jeffszusz> swart: i've no problem making mistakes; just not on something that is supposed to protect my pi from my mistakes
[18:31] <jeffszusz> lol
[18:31] <swart> starting with arduino is maybe a bit easier.
[18:31] <swart> maybe more forgiving
[18:31] <IT_Sean> If nobody ever made mistakes, we wouldn't have Gorilla Glass, kevlar, nuclear energy, or moisture-wicking pants.
[18:32] <swart> so this week I learned how to desolder
[18:32] <jeffszusz> probably but i already have an RPi
[18:32] <ShiftPlusOne> to be fair, Gorilla Glass is kind of pants.
[18:32] <swart> got some blisters. now I'm less inclined to repeat my errors
[18:32] <Uthark> jeffszusz: You can follow those tutorials. The blinking light is easy and safe
[18:32] <swart> just be careful not to short anything out
[18:32] <swart> don't do anything with motors yet :)
[18:32] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne: Gorilla Glass is awesome! My 1st gen iPad has not a single scratch!
[18:33] <jeffszusz> >.< that's what i'm worried about. i'm likely to short something out if left to my own devices
[18:33] <IT_Sean> And it's invention was a complete accident. So, it was good for the point i was making.
[18:33] <IT_Sean> jeffszusz: just doublecheck your connections before you power the Pi on, and you will be fine
[18:33] <swart> well an LED is like a short circuit, so it always needs to have a small resistor in series
[18:33] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, I don't have personal experience with it, but I have seen it crack due to fairly small drops.
[18:33] <swart> if you do that you'll be fine :)
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[18:34] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, wait, 1st gen ipods has gorilla glass? Then yeah, I have personal experience with it. My ipod fell from a height of about 30cm and the screen cracked.
[18:34] <af1> Cool IRC on ipad!
[18:34] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne: first gen iPad. i said iPad, didn't i?
[18:34] <Uthark> jeffszusz: Try with small LEDs and higher resistance resistors if you're afreaid
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[18:35] <IT_Sean> iPods don't have it
[18:35] <Uthark> afraid*
[18:35] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, yeah, well reading things people say properly takes effort
[18:35] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[18:35] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:35] <IT_Sean> reading is haaaaarrrd
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[18:40] <steve_rox> got fun?
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[18:42] <steve_rox> i was able to hotwire 2 wires into my cams remote shutter now i just need to find a way to control a relay on the rpi etc
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[18:45] <gordonjcp> steve_rox: what kind of camera?
[18:45] <gordonjcp> steve_rox: is it supported by libgphoto?
[18:45] <steve_rox> no
[18:45] <steve_rox> i dont think so
[18:47] <tonsit> someone linked to gpio example earlier
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[18:48] <swart> can you operate it with the wires you connected?
[18:48] <raspberrynewbie> hello everyone
[18:48] <swart> yeah https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/ is a similar library to what the arduino has
[18:48] <swart> it will let you control leds and relays in the same way
[18:48] <bertrik> I think I've seen a few circuits on how to interface with flashes and cameras, some kind of opto-triac IIRC
[18:49] <steve_rox> i can touch 2 wires together and cam takes shot
[18:49] <swart> but relays have back-voltage, so you might need some protection
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[18:49] <gordonjcp> you'd need a transistor, a couple of resistors and a diode
[18:49] <swart> yeah that sounds safer :)
[18:49] <gordonjcp> important: the diode goes *backwards* across the relay coil
[18:49] <IT_Sean> o_O
[18:49] <gordonjcp> with the cathode to positive
[18:49] <tonsit> to protect the pi i take it?
[18:49] <gordonjcp> there are a couple of million examples on the internet ;-)
[18:50] <gordonjcp> tonsit: yeah
[18:50] <steve_rox> panasonic lumix dmc-fz150
[18:50] <swart> yes the voltage spike can be quite damaging
[18:50] <tonsit> haven't started playing with gpio yet ;)
[18:50] <steve_rox> i used the remote shutter port
[18:50] <gordonjcp> when you turn the relay off, the magnetic field in the coil collapses very quickly
[18:50] <tonsit> so thx guys
[18:50] <gordonjcp> so
[18:50] <raspberrynewbie> i got a problem with my today delivered raspberry pi model B. i especially looked for the components to be compatible with it. but if i connect it with the power the PWR led flashes red. if i insert an SD-card then nothing happens i have tried it with several SD cards but nothing an HDMI output isnt there either. is my Pi broken already?
[18:50] <bertrik> or maybe just an optocoupler
[18:50] <steve_rox> got a cheap remote shutter button and hotwired into it
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[18:50] <swart> raspberrynewbie: you may have incorrectly formatted your SD card
[18:51] <swart> order one from pihut
[18:51] <steve_rox> or format it correctly and save money
[18:51] <gordonjcp> tonsit: although the 5V that energised the relay took a few tens milliseconds to pull the relay in, the field collapses about 100 times faster, and because it's moving through the coil faster you get a short pulse of about 500V
[18:51] <swart> or spend money and support the pi community :)
[18:51] <gordonjcp> my pibow case came today
[18:51] <mgottschlag> raspberrynewbie: okay, probably stupid question, but: did you put the sd card in *first* and then connect power?
[18:52] <raspberrynewbie> i used an image and put it on the SD-card with 16GB with win32diskimager
[18:52] <raspberrynewbie> mgottschlag i tried both ways
[18:52] <mgottschlag> good then :)
[18:52] <swart> did you check the wiki to see if the card is confirmed to work?
[18:52] <swart> some don't
[18:52] <IT_Sean> the correct order is: [card in] [power on] by the way
[18:52] <raspberrynewbie> yes i especially ordered one that is confirmed to work
[18:53] <gordonjcp> oh speaking of broken Pis
[18:53] <swart> can you see the file system in windows after you copied the disk image over?
[18:53] <gordonjcp> does anyone sell replacement SD card sockets?
[18:53] <raspberrynewbie> @ IT_Sean i know but as it didnt work, i tried it the other way around, but thank you for this information
[18:53] <raspberrynewbie> i'll check
[18:53] <pronto> man, i'm trying to make an init script for wvdial... never really looked at init scripts before... ....that's some insane bash scripting
[18:53] <mgottschlag> in any case it should start flashing yellow if it cannot read any bootloader
[18:53] <gordonjcp> pronto: wvdial <shudder>
[18:53] <raspberrynewbie> i see kernel.img and a few other images on the card
[18:54] <raspberrynewbie> and i have a total of 55,9 MB from which 39.4 are used
[18:54] <pronto> gordonjcp: ?
[18:54] <swart> raspberrynewbie: is that a raspbian image?
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[18:55] <mgottschlag> raspberrynewbie: usually the next question is, how many ampere does your power supply provide?
[18:55] <raspberrynewbie> yes
[18:55] <steve_rox> gordonjcp , i broke my socket too ,creative super glue job fix
[18:55] <mgottschlag> although early boot shouldn't need more than 500mA to just flash an led
[18:55] <raspberrynewbie> 1200mA
[18:55] <swart> I'm learning to appreciate stuff that's not shiny, but bashed up and working :)
[18:55] <pronto> gordonjcp: what's wrong with wvdial?
[18:55] <tonsit> lol
[18:55] <steve_rox> like terminators
[18:55] <gordonjcp> pronto: horrible stuff, I'm glad I don't have to work on it any more
[18:56] <jeffszusz> is Raspbian a lot more polished than the arch for rpi?
[18:56] <pronto> is there something better?
[18:56] <gordonjcp> pronto: sadly not
[18:56] <gordonjcp> steve_rox: I did think about that, but I'd like to be able to swap cards ;-)
[18:56] <steve_rox> nah you dont glue the card in
[18:56] <gordonjcp> glue an adaptor in?
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[18:57] <steve_rox> if you have the fragments from the shatter you can do reconstruction
[18:57] <gordonjcp> I thought of that too, but I've yet to find a micro-SD card and adaptor that work well
[18:57] <gordonjcp> steve_rox: I don't
[18:57] <steve_rox> oh dear
[18:57] <gordonjcp> I could make something up but it's just going to be easier to replace the socket
[18:57] <steve_rox> if we can find a supplyer
[18:57] <raspberrynewbie> i think i'll go back to square one
[18:58] <angelos> anyone have experience with the xbox 360 controller drivers on the rpi? do they work fine?
[18:58] <raspberrynewbie> i format my SD-Card and put raspbian on it again
[18:58] <raspberrynewbie> stupid question since i dont have it in my mind anymore: fat 32 is ok?
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[18:58] <tonsit> that image writing tool should be formatting it into ext4 i believe
[18:58] <mgottschlag> don't format at all
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[18:59] <steve_rox> the writeing of image technically formats it
[18:59] <steve_rox> if that makes sence
[18:59] <tonsit> ^
[18:59] <steve_rox> ;-)
[18:59] <raspberrynewbie> oh ok
[18:59] <raspberrynewbie> so half an hour and i get a fresh brand new image and i'll try that one
[18:59] <tonsit> haha
[18:59] <raspberrynewbie> please stay tuned for more stupidity
[18:59] <steve_rox> ensure card is firmly in too , ive seen others have this issue
[18:59] <tonsit> you could do an sha1 checksum
[18:59] <tonsit> your image might be fine
[19:00] <raspberrynewbie> how to do that checksum on windows?
[19:01] <tonsit> i think i use some open source freeware, one sec for the name
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[19:01] <raspberrynewbie> thanks
[19:01] <steve_rox> wonder if theres any pi cases that offer any real protection
[19:01] <raspberrynewbie> if you cover them in bubblewrap?
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[19:01] <swart> steve_rox: you could mount it inside an AT case :)
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[19:01] <steve_rox> :-P
[19:02] <swart> if it's too heavy to lift you'll never drop it
[19:02] <tonsit> rasp, can i msg you this link?
[19:02] <tonsit> its for nirsoft hash my files
[19:02] <tonsit> it adds right click into windows shell for sha/md5
[19:02] <raspberrynewbie> sure you can
[19:03] <steve_rox> i made a prog for that
[19:03] <tonsit> oh really?
[19:03] <steve_rox> i then went on to intergrate it into a file search
[19:03] <steve_rox> search for file by md5 value
[19:03] <tonsit> nice
[19:04] <steve_rox> then certain code difficultys got in my way and i had to stop
[19:04] <tonsit> what code were you using?
[19:04] <steve_rox> bad code hah
[19:04] <tonsit> asd: in language
[19:04] <tonsit> ; as iin
[19:04] <steve_rox> vb6 ;-)
[19:04] <tonsit> my keyboard skips its keys sometimes hehe
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[19:05] <Xeph> "hmm, i got this file w/ md5 b228aa986af911e0ef890b2a6beffbd1??? but where is it?"
[19:05] <steve_rox> i couldent use that vb.net rubbish
[19:05] <tonsit> its in the folder
[19:05] <tonsit> heh
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> Xeph, use the find & fgrep commands...
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[19:07] <gordonDrogon> cd / ; find . -type f -exec md5sum {} \; | fgrep b228aa986af911e0ef890b2a6beffbd1?
[19:08] <Xeph> gordonDrogon: Nah I just tried to imagine why one would need a search-by-md5 program :)
[19:08] <tonsit> lols
[19:08] <steve_rox> :-P
[19:08] <steve_rox> i found it handy
[19:08] <tonsit> i guess if you're on a website and they have the md5 listed ... and you rename your files after downloading?
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> find & grep ...
[19:09] <steve_rox> no
[19:09] <tonsit> in windows
[19:09] <steve_rox> it was handy for searching for malware related files
[19:09] <tonsit> gui
[19:10] <tonsit> nirsoft does lots of cool freeware utilities that makes windows work better
[19:10] <steve_rox> i found inactive bad files i never knew i had
[19:10] <tonsit> i have one that lets me adjust volume by left clicking my mouse while using the scroll wheel
[19:10] <s5fs> tonsit: haha, that is pretty slick
[19:11] <tonsit> yeah, its great since my keyboard doesn't have them
[19:11] <tonsit> volume controls i mean
[19:12] <s5fs> yeah none of my keyboards do either
[19:12] <s5fs> logitech k120!
[19:12] <tonsit> i spilled a drink last week, haven't made it out to the store for a new one, so i'm using this dinosaur i had in the closet
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[19:12] <tonsit> its labeled 'dell' which makes me think its from the 90s when i owned a dell.
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[19:15] <s5fs> i'm not super picky, but i need a full-sized escape key
[19:15] <s5fs> and usb, of course
[19:15] <steve_rox> to punch better in panic mode?
[19:15] <s5fs> vim
[19:16] <s5fs> haven't bothered to remap it yet
[19:16] <tonsit> hehe
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[19:18] <s5fs> github is down
[19:18] <s5fs> and so is my productivity!
[19:21] <Essobi> Hah
[19:21] <Essobi> nice
[19:21] <s5fs> its back now, crap
[19:21] <s5fs> guess i'd better work
[19:23] <tapout> i'm using mplayer to play a flv file and it plays but the sound is choppy, it keeps cutting out
[19:23] <tapout> is there a better way to play the audio from a *.flv file .. ignoring the video?
[19:23] <tapout> i'm just trying to get a looping audio track for my daughter when she sleeps..
[19:23] <gordonjcp> tapout: -vo null
[19:24] <|Jeroen|> why, do you want to drive her mad ?
[19:24] <s5fs> no, he's programming her (duh)
[19:24] <gordonjcp> tapout: better yet, use -ao pcm to dump the audio to a .wav file, then encode it to something sane like ogg
[19:24] <gordonjcp> "You Are Sleeping. You Do Not Want To Believe."
[19:24] <s5fs> "Smoking is a choice, you can quit at any time"
[19:25] <gordonjcp> tapout: if all you want is the audio file, like I say, just strip the audio and use that
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[19:26] <tapout> put this on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdIJ2x3nxzQ and your baby will sleep every night without issue
[19:26] <tapout> gordonjcp, i'm going to try the -vo null first, this file is 2.5GB and it took 45 minutes to get it on there lol
[19:27] <gordonjcp> tapout: do it on a sensible PC
[19:27] <gordonjcp> tapout: actually, if you do -ao pcm -vo null it'll do it faster than realtime
[19:28] <mythos> mplayer? -benchmark is the parameter you search
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[19:32] <tapout> gordonjcp, YOU are brilliant
[19:32] <tapout> i did 30 seconds of the clip into audio wav, no audio chops happening now
[19:32] <tapout> woot
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[19:47] <pronto> http://kpaste.net/ed8d5c5 init.d script i made to hopefully work with wvdial, anyone who has delt with init.d scripts before...does this look right?
[19:47] <raspberrynewbie> i am in the /etc/default/keyboard and changed gb to de
[19:47] <raspberrynewbie> how do i save and exit
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[19:48] <Holden> raspberrynewbie, with nano?
[19:48] <Shaan> hey guys i did the visudo command, and i sort of deleted that whole file however i was logged into root so i added the sudo lines to add the users back but is there anything else i might be missing that needs to be in there?
[19:48] <raspberrynewbie> whats nano Holden?
[19:49] <Holden> raspberrynewbie, a text editor... what editor are you using?
[19:49] <raspberrynewbie> ah nano sorry :D
[19:49] <raspberrynewbie> how do i save and exit there? i can't quite put it together right now haven't used this stuff in ages
[19:49] <Holden> raspberrynewbie, ctrl-o to save, and ctrl-x to exit
[19:50] <raspberrynewbie> aah ctrl
[19:50] <raspberrynewbie> yes thank you so much
[19:50] <Holden> np
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[19:56] <ech0s7> hi
[19:56] <ech0s7> do you know if it's possible to view page written with jquery/js on raspberry ?
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[19:57] <BCMM> ech0s7: pretty sure it is
[19:57] <BCMM> you can run chrome on the pi, though it's not too quick
[19:58] <ech0s7> BCMM: my idea is to use raspberry to show html page within video and photo slideshow
[19:59] <BCMM> midori might even do it; i have no idea what midori is capable of
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[19:59] <BCMM> oh apparently it's webkit, so most thing then
[19:59] <mjr> Good luck with that. You're probably gonna have to make a browser that renders with opengl es and/or openmax first.
[20:00] <BCMM> mjr: ?
[20:00] <ech0s7> why mjr ?
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[20:02] <b03tz> Hi Y'all :)
[20:03] <b03tz> How do I use the Raspberry PI SPI pins as normal GPIO pins with wiringpi?
[20:03] <b03tz> It seems that when I write/read my PI crashes :/
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[20:04] <KiltedPi> Does XBMX hook into an online database?
[20:04] <DeliriumTremens> for?
[20:04] <KiltedPi> Or does it only load media from your Hdisk?
[20:04] <KiltedPi> I dunno
[20:05] <KiltedPi> Don't rly know what XBMC is all about
[20:05] <b03tz> http://pastebin.com/9hyzhHfB
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[20:05] <b03tz> It crashes on the readAdc....it prints "Starting main loop"
[20:05] <b03tz> And crashes before even printing "Starting read" :s
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[20:05] <DeliriumTremens> i use xbmc to stream movies/tv/music from my storage server to my tv
[20:05] <DeliriumTremens> i knwo some people stream with it
[20:05] <DeliriumTremens> from various websites..
[20:06] <BCMM> KiltedPi: xbmc can play loads of things
[20:06] <b03tz> DeliriumTremens: Like me
[20:06] <KiltedPi> Thats pretty cool.. My g.f is a massive movie fan, and I was thinking about setting up a media centre
[20:06] <DeliriumTremens> i'm loving mine
[20:06] <DeliriumTremens> i use it almost every day
[20:06] <BCMM> KiltedPi: a local drive full of media, a network share, and various internet things via plugins
[20:06] <b03tz> I have one for XBMC downstairs, one upstairs...and one for home automation xD
[20:06] <DeliriumTremens> i have one for XBMC and one on the way for a BBS
[20:06] <BCMM> KiltedPi: also, it uses an online DB to index your local stuff
[20:07] <KiltedPi> So just hook up a 1TB External HDD?
[20:07] <KiltedPi> Yeah, thats what I meant BCMM, it will detect like "The godfather"
[20:07] * IT_Sean uses xbmc, but not onna pi
[20:07] <b03tz> But does anyone know? --> How do I use the Raspberry PI SPI pins as normal GPIO pins with wiringpi?
[20:07] <BCMM> KiltedPi: yeah
[20:07] <KiltedPi> And stick in a desc
[20:07] <KiltedPi> neat
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[20:08] <BCMM> KiltedPi: yeah, you put The Godfather.avi in your films folder and XBMC will show you the cover art and rating and so on
[20:08] <DeliriumTremens> KiltedPi: sometimes it's finnicky about indexing your files, but there are relatively easy ways to fix it
[20:08] <KiltedPi> At the moment, my g.f uses an ipad! she converts her films-
[20:08] <BCMM> KiltedPi: finnicky as it in doesn't understand all file naming schemes cause that's a hard AI problem
[20:08] <KiltedPi> sticks them on her ipad, and plays them that way
[20:08] <IT_Sean> KiltedPi: you can stream from an xbmc box to an iPad
[20:08] <BCMM> but if you use a crazy one there is a file you can edit to teach it to understand it
[20:09] <BCMM> KiltedPi: basically you put all your films in a folder and tell it that's the films collection, same with tv episodes and music
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[20:09] <IT_Sean> I'm pretty sure i saw an app for that the other day in Cydia
[20:09] <DeliriumTremens> i used some app called the renamer to rename all of my movies
[20:09] <BCMM> for TV episodes it can understand stuff like SE01E04 out-of-the-box
[20:09] <DeliriumTremens> because i was just naming them whatever
[20:10] <BCMM> IT_Sean: can the ipad not play uPNP media without jailbreaking???
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[20:10] <KiltedPi> Thats pretty awesome. I might buy a Pi for that specific purpose, and -
[20:10] <KiltedPi> Oh!
[20:10] <IT_Sean> dunno
[20:10] <IT_Sean> mine is JBing
[20:10] <KiltedPi> She uses a program called 'handbrake'
[20:11] <IT_Sean> * JB'd
[20:11] <KiltedPi> To convert films to make them ipad friendly
[20:11] <KiltedPi> It takes fecking ages, and annoys me
[20:11] <KiltedPi> :/
[20:11] <BCMM> KiltedPi: it also has addons, kinda firefox style, in python. you can select which "scraper" you use to get metadata
[20:12] <KiltedPi> imdb?
[20:12] <KiltedPi> I'd use that
[20:12] <IT_Sean> KiltedPi: there are some xbmc related apps in the iOS app store
[20:12] <IT_Sean> i dunno if any of them support media viewing
[20:12] <BCMM> KiltedPi: that's not the default but it's an option
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[20:13] <BCMM> the default scraper seems to favour newer films btw, so call your stuff "name of film (1986)" if you don't want to see the cover art for crappy remakes :)
[20:13] <KiltedPi> So a good setup would be:
[20:13] <KiltedPi> Wireless dongle, Pi, Big external HDisk...
[20:14] <KiltedPi> Power.... what else
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[20:15] <IT_Sean> BCMM... Woould the default scraper still pick up (1994) Name of Film... or does it have to be Name of Film (1994) ?
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> b03tz, you just use the pins with pinMode() and they 'just work' as normal gpio pins.
[20:15] <IT_Sean> 'cause i've been having trouble getting that working
[20:15] <IT_Sean> (I have the year first, 'cause i like my movies sorted by year)
[20:16] <BCMM> IT_Sean: the scraper is responsible for the internet stuff, not actually parsing filenames i think
[20:16] <IT_Sean> oh.
[20:16] <IT_Sean> Okay.
[20:16] <BCMM> IT_Sean: but there is some file you can edit to control how XBMC parses filenames
[20:16] <megaproxy> so i need to set up a cron to rsync some files ever hour
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[20:16] <BCMM> can't remember where, ask #xbmc
[20:16] <megaproxy> however, to rsyc to this server i need to enter a password
[20:16] <megaproxy> how can one do that..
[20:17] <BCMM> i think you can pretty much program it to understand arbitrary crazy schemes for file naming
[20:17] <megaproxy> could i use "user:pass@server"
[20:17] <b03tz> gordonDrogon: Ok, thanks alot!
[20:17] <BCMM> which reminds me, i've got to find a way to get get_iplayer's output automatically scraped in XBMC...
[20:18] <IT_Sean> BCMM: it's at the bottom of my list of priorities. Still trying to get my USB TV tuner working
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> b03tz, just make sure the spi modules aren't loaded - they're not normally though.
[20:19] <BCMM> IT_Sean: i'm thinking about getting one of those; they're a good bit cheaper than standalone freeview tuners aren't they?
[20:19] <IT_Sean> I got mine ages ago.
[20:19] <BCMM> sorry, i was assuming you're UK - Freeview is the british word for DVB-T
[20:20] <KiltedPi> no idea megaproxy sorry
[20:20] <KiltedPi> :(
[20:20] <megaproxy> KiltedPi, i think ill just try make ssh key
[20:20] <KiltedPi> Yeah
[20:21] <KiltedPi> I've got a wee freeview box
[20:21] <b03tz> They are for me
[20:21] <KiltedPi> They break far too often. Seems like I'm getting a new one every 3-4months
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[20:21] <b03tz> gordonDrogon: When I use lsmod I see 2 SPI modules
[20:21] <IT_Sean> BCMM: i honestly don't remember what i paid for mine. It wasn't too expensive, however.
[20:22] <b03tz> gordonDrogon: Would a modprobe -r suffice?
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> b03tz, yes. (sudo first)
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[20:23] <b03tz> gordonDrogon, ok. They will not come back after reboot?
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[20:23] <gordonDrogon> b03tz, I've no idea. it depends on your distro. Raspbian normally doesn't load them at boot as they're blacklisted.
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[20:24] <b03tz> gordonDrogon: Ok thanks. I will test this.
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[20:26] <b03tz> gordonDrogon, got it working. Thanks man :)
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> b03tz, enjoy wiringPi :)
[20:27] <[ill]will> blah i cant figure out the UART crap
[20:27] <b03tz> omg...
[20:27] <b03tz> gordonDrogon, I just realized ;)
[20:27] <b03tz> gordonDrogon, You are the creator...right?
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> that uart works ok ... what are you doing with it?
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> b03tz, sure am.
[20:27] <[ill]will> gordonDrogon trying to recieve data
[20:28] <b03tz> gordonDrogon, awesome...you did a fine job :) I'm a webdeveloper myself...very familiar with programming (not with electric stuff and SPI though ;))
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> [ill]will, have you disabled it in /boot/cmdline.txt and /etc/inittab ?
[20:28] <b03tz> gordonDrogon, you did an awesome job :)
[20:28] <[ill]will> yep
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[20:28] <gordonDrogon> b03tz, cheers!
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[20:28] <gordonDrogon> [ill]will, how are you reading it?
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[20:28] <b03tz> autoscroll bug...
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[20:30] * Gordio think find BUG IN DRIVER snd
[20:30] <[ill]will> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=278612#p278612
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> [ill]will, something like minicom is good for simple testing.
[20:30] <Gordio> or in alsa. amixer -q set PCM toggle
[20:30] <[ill]will> thats where im at with it
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> checking..
[20:30] <Gordio> mute and unmute but sund not return
[20:30] <[ill]will> i even tried attach tx and rx together to see if i can cat and echo data, but still nada
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[20:30] <Gordio> only if amixer -q set PCM +1 - return
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> [ill]will, run minicom on device /dev/ttyAMA0
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> [ill]will, that will work - tail won't work.
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> [ill]will, easie to set the baudrate too.
[20:32] <[ill]will> yea i tried minicom but i dont know if i was doing something wrong or not
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[20:32] <[ill]will> is there some check to see if its in the right mode, i did edit those files so i should be good
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> [ill]will, if you run minicom then use the menus - Control-A to get into them. You can make sure the settings are right - /dev/ttyAMA0 and the baud rate.
[20:34] <Gordio> minicom... picocom - better!
[20:34] <Gordio> :D
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> ?
[20:35] <pronto> errmerrgawrd! it works! init.d script for wvdial! :D http://kpaste.net/cd5d7bd
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> minicom's ok. some people don't like it though...
[20:37] <[ill]will> with minicom running
[20:38] <[ill]will> how can i check
[20:38] <[ill]will> echo "12345677" > /dev/ttyAMA0
[20:38] <[ill]will> or something
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> no
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> that's work work.
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> you could remove the reader and connect the Pi's Tx and Rx together.
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> then type on the terminal... you should see what you're typing.
[20:39] <swart> gordonDrogon: do you find logic analyzers useful?
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> swart, I might do if I had one ...
[20:40] <swart> I picked up one of these, it's kind of fun http://www.saleae.com/logic
[20:40] <swart> I showed some kids at my son's school how pwm works with it, but haven't used it in anger yet
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[20:41] <gordonDrogon> swart, looks like it even runs under linux. neat.
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[20:42] <gordonDrogon> I just have a cheap quad DSO
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[20:42] <swart> I'm using a multimeter :)
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[20:42] <[ill]will> Welcome to minicom 2.6.1 - OPTIONS: I18n - Port /dev/ttyAMA0
[20:42] <[ill]will> @ 9600 baud
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[20:42] <gordonDrogon> swart, gives output like: http://unicorn.drogon.net/2400000.png
[20:42] <swart> I found out it wasn't measuring current. turns out I blew a fuse a few years back and didn't notice
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[20:43] <gordonDrogon> [ill]will, yes, that'll work.
[20:43] <swart> gordonDrogon: I saw that. looks nice
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[20:43] <[ill]will> \0/
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit fiddly to use, but got the hang on it now.
[20:43] * KindOne- is now known as KindOne
[20:43] <swart> I was thinking of getting a used analogue scope, but still too cheap
[20:43] <[ill]will> it recieved the echo
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> [ill]will, ok, that's a good start.
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> [ill]will, now you can hook up the reader and see if you get anything.
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[20:44] <[ill]will> i gotta wait until i get to my hackerspace later, i left the rfid :(
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> ok :)
[20:44] <[ill]will> at least i know the UART is working
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> bunch of us are trying to get a hackspace going near us.
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[20:45] <gordonDrogon> hard work - we're in a very low population density area.
[20:45] <[ill]will> us too, plus the fact theres 4 others that sprung up around us
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[20:45] <swart> gordonDrogon: where are you located?
[20:45] <[ill]will> weve been open for almost 3 yrs now
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> swart, Devon.
[20:46] <swart> that is a ways out :)
[20:46] <swart> looks nice though
[20:46] <[ill]will> im actually trying to update our door, i built the rfid door when we open with an arduino, but now i want more functionality out of it with a database etc
[20:47] <[ill]will> i tried going with a nanode arduino clone but i didnt like it and there wasnt alot of support
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[20:48] <raspberrynewbie> is there a possibility to install xbmc via the startx view?
[20:49] <swart> raspberrynewbie: you should be able to use the synaptics package manager for that
[20:49] <raspberrynewbie> ah thank you
[20:49] <[ill]will> by the spec sheet on this rfid reader it should spit out the card data over 9600 baud once a card is swiped
[20:50] <[ill]will> i hope the pi's 5v pin is enough to power it
[20:50] <IT_Sean> how much does it draw?
[20:50] <IT_Sean> the reader... that is.
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[20:51] <megaproxy> ssh keys make me cry
[20:51] <megaproxy> it will be easy they said
[20:51] <Primer> it is
[20:51] <megaproxy> it wont ever break they said
[20:51] <Primer> it doesn't
[20:51] <megaproxy> first part is right. its easy to make
[20:51] <megaproxy> 2nd part minewont work
[20:51] <megaproxy> so i did the first bit wrong :(
[20:51] <Primer> naw
[20:52] <[ill]will> 5vdc @ 64Ma
[20:52] <megaproxy> whenever i try to connect now it just closes the connection
[20:52] <Primer> you probably just didn't get the perms on ~/.ssh/authorized_keys right
[20:52] <[ill]will> 65mA
[20:52] <Primer> chmod 700 .ssh
[20:52] <Primer> chmod 600 .ssh/authorized_keys
[20:52] <Primer> chown youruser .ssh -R
[20:52] <Primer> and voil??
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[20:53] <megaproxy> still bork
[20:53] <megaproxy> q_q
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[20:54] <Primer> You need to understand the concepts. It's not hard. 1) your local ssh client must supply the proper private key
[20:54] <megaproxy> local client = pi
[20:54] <Primer> usually that's automatic, as it'll search for ~/.ssh/id_rsa or ~/.ssh/id_dsa or ~/.ssh/identity (and perhaps a few others)
[20:54] <megaproxy> generated the key on thepi. then pasted into hostbox
[20:54] <[ill]will> IT_Sean should that be ennough to power it without making the pi crap out
[20:54] <megaproxy> its in rsa.pub
[20:55] <megaproxy> afaik
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[20:55] <Primer> the public key goes on the server side
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[20:55] <raspberrynewbie> where do i find synaptics on my raspbian? i think i am blind
[20:55] <Primer> guessing since you "paste" it, you have no control over it
[20:55] <Primer> so what I wrote regarding chmod and chown doesn't apply
[20:55] <mgottschlag> raspberrynewbie: maybe just not installed at all?
[20:56] <Primer> ssh -I /path/to/private_key user@host
[20:56] <raspberrynewbie> could be
[20:56] <mgottschlag> if it is, then you can launch it from a termial with "synaptics"
[20:56] <mgottschlag> if not, use apt-get or aptitude :)
[20:56] <Primer> err -i that is
[20:56] <Primer> ssh -i /path/to/private_key user@host
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[20:56] <gordonDrogon> right. TV time now.
[20:57] <megaproxy> invalid elf header@?
[20:57] <swart> raspberrynewbie: sorry I don't have GUI access to my pi right now
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[20:58] <swart> raspberrynewbie: I was looking at my Ubuntu screen at work. it's probably different
[20:59] <raspberrynewbie> oh ok
[20:59] <swart> raspberrynewbie: yes it looks like it's not yet installed.
[20:59] <raspberrynewbie> i'll do it via terminal then
[20:59] <raspberrynewbie> whats better
[20:59] <swart> if you can tolerate the command line you can get it set up using this tutorial http://www.peteronion.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=35.0
[20:59] <raspberrynewbie> install the stuff i need by hand
[20:59] <swart> I prefer the command line, but I'm a cranky old codger
[20:59] <raspberrynewbie> or install it synaptics and then choose the stuff i need
[21:00] <swart> it's the same thing underneath
[21:00] <swart> once youv'e got synaptics installed you can use that
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[21:00] <raspberrynewbie> its less typing with synaptics, right?
[21:00] <swart> yes
[21:00] <swart> and easier to show kids what to do
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[21:00] <swart> except watch out for disk space limits
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[21:02] <raspberrynewbie> yes
[21:02] <raspberrynewbie> its installing right now i got a 16GB sd card so there should be neough space left
[21:02] <raspberrynewbie> any idea why my picture looks squiggly right now? could it be the hdmi cable?
[21:03] <Primer> define "ugly"
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[21:04] <raspberrynewbie> well its doubled and tripled and that in slightly shifted layers
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[21:08] <IT_Sean> wiggle the HDMI lead.
[21:08] <IT_Sean> Do you have a different one to try?
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[21:09] <mjr> I don't know if that's really useful but you might try playing with the hdmi levels in the config file
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[21:11] <raspberrynewbie> i wiggled it nothing happend
[21:12] <raspberrynewbie> its sudo rapsi-config, right?
[21:13] <rikkib> Yep with correct spelling
[21:13] <raspberrynewbie> yes raspi of course
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[21:14] <raspberrynewbie> now its so squiggly where is the hdmi levels located?
[21:14] <rikkib> But you will need to do it manually to adjust config.txt
[21:14] <raspberrynewbie> i can only guess which it is
[21:14] <rikkib> in the boot dir
[21:14] <rikkib> sudo nano /boot/config.txt
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[21:15] <megaproxy> my pi just reported it was downloading afile at 8PB/s
[21:15] <rikkib> Locate the wiki page on elinux
[21:15] <megaproxy> somehow... i doubt it
[21:15] <rikkib> That will tell you what config option to set
[21:15] <raspberrynewbie> oh my that doesnt look good at all
[21:15] <raspberrynewbie> i can barely read it
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[21:16] <rikkib> Drive level for hdmi is configurable
[21:16] <raspberrynewbie> this only started after! i updated my raspbian
[21:16] <raspberrynewbie> before it looked acceptable
[21:17] <IT_Sean> probably a config issue then
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[21:18] <raspberrynewbie> ok i'll redo the image
[21:18] <raspberrynewbie> and then look in it again
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[21:21] <raspberrynewbie> installing a raspbian is waaaaaaaaaaaay more easy and fast than installing windows heh
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[21:22] <IT_Sean> everything is easer than installing windows.
[21:22] <IT_Sean> :p
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[21:22] <[ill]will> windows would be the same way if you were pushing over an image on the same hardware
[21:23] <Shaan> visudo
[21:23] <[ill]will> whats a bitch is trying to get wifi working from the cmdline with wpa_supllicant.conf
[21:23] <raspberrynewbie> i dont know
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[21:23] <raspberrynewbie> i'd say rocketscience is a bit more complicated than installing windows
[21:23] <[ill]will> it works, then it doesnt work then it works again
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[21:25] <VetteWork> raspberrynewbie, what resolution are u trying to use?
[21:25] <raspberrynewbie> for my hdmi problem?
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[21:25] <VetteWork> yeah
[21:25] <raspberrynewbie> well just put the raspbian on the sd card again
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[21:25] <raspberrynewbie> but my hdmi is still squiggly
[21:25] <raspberrynewbie> so it should be the cable i guess
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[21:26] <VetteWork> autosensing or hard coded?
[21:26] <raspberrynewbie> putting it on the sd card? i use win32 diskimager for the .img
[21:26] <VetteWork> also, dont forget to expand filesystem in raspi-config, bit me last week :P
[21:27] <raspberrynewbie> yes first thing i did when i configurated it
[21:27] <VetteWork> the HDMI output resolution, did you set it in config.txt?
[21:27] <raspberrynewbie> not much to do with 55MB nowadays
[21:27] <raspberrynewbie> no i could not read it at all on the monitor
[21:27] <VetteWork> aw ok..
[21:28] <VetteWork> u have something that takes composite video?
[21:28] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!*ill]will@*.hsd1.ct.comcast.net
[21:28] <VetteWork> i had issue of wrong refresh rate being selected
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[21:28] <raspberrynewbie> no i dont
[21:29] <VetteWork> bah
[21:29] <mgottschlag> "<raspberrynewbie> not much to do with 55MB nowadays" - the 55MB are only the boot partition, the other root partition (operating system, home directory, etc) is rather 2GB
[21:30] <mgottschlag> and *that* one was expanded by raspi-config
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[21:30] <mgottschlag> ("df -h" for a list of partitions+sizes in a terminal)
[21:30] <VetteWork> I installed chromium-browser and was getting disk spave issues :\
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[21:30] <pronto> gordonjcp: :D got an init.d script to start/stop wvdial
[21:30] <VetteWork> before i remembered to expand
[21:30] <gordonjcp> pronto: nice
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[21:31] <pronto> http://kpaste.net/cd5d7bd << the restart dont seem to work
[21:31] <ngc0202> Silly NickServ was gone, I couldn't join :/
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[21:32] <raspberrynewbie> thanks for this command mgottschlag
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[21:32] <pothibo> very noob question, I'm no tsure where to ask so bare with me: I have a sainsmart 8 relay module and I want to hook it up to my pi, what kind of connectors I need to connect those 2? (I don't knwo what's it called...)
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[21:34] <mgottschlag> pothibo: you certainly need a level shifter because it is 5V while the pi is 3.3V
[21:35] <mgottschlag> but the connectors, well, those are both standard jumper pin rows, any connector with 0.1" pin spacing would do :)
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[21:36] <pothibo> mgottschlag: Hmm ok, I probably misunderstood, but I thought that somehow GPIO could drive 5v
[21:37] <mgottschlag> ah, actually the document says that 3.3V already is interpreted as high voltage
[21:37] <mgottschlag> no, the pi can only output 3.3V, which is far too little for some 5V input signals
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[21:38] <VetteWork> sainsmart should work with 3.3V of the Pi from what i have researched
[21:38] <pothibo> mgottschlag: ok so I need to level 3.3v to 5v
[21:38] <mgottschlag> but in your case it might just work, you should still probably decouple it
[21:38] <mjr> pothibo, no you don't, as they just said
[21:38] <pothibo> lol
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[21:38] <pothibo> I was typing and didn't read what VetteWork wrote sorry
[21:38] <mjr> but you do need to lower the 5V coming in from the sainsmart to 3V3 for the Pi, or you'll fry it
[21:39] <mjr> luckily that's a relatively simple matter of a couple of resistors
[21:39] * pothibo twitches
[21:39] <VetteWork> pothibo, there are a few hits on google about doing what you want. I dont have any bookmarked for quick reference though
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[21:39] <pothibo> VetteWork: yeah
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[21:39] <pothibo> I saw something with relay sometimes frying the pi cuz of the fireback when switching the relay
[21:40] <pothibo> so I need to protect the pi against it right?
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[21:40] <mjr> that's a somewhat different story with relays
[21:40] <pothibo> o.O
[21:40] <gordonjcp> pothibo: "back emf"
[21:40] <gordonjcp> pothibo: do not connect a relay directly to the GPIO pins
[21:41] <gordonjcp> pothibo: and use a diode across the coil
[21:41] <mgottschlag> pothibo: the board already has those diodes btw
[21:41] <pothibo> gordonjcp: ok but doesn't the sainsmart channel already provides diode & protectiong ?
[21:41] <pothibo> k ;)
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[21:41] <mgottschlag> what it maybe doesn't have is additional decoupling to separate the input pins from and 5V line
[21:41] <mgottschlag> *any
[21:42] <pothibo> that would be done using the shift lever as you mention? Or the relay
[21:42] <gordonjcp> pothibo: maybe, have a look at it and see
[21:42] <pothibo> sorry, I'm retarded when it comes to electronics
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[21:42] <mjr> oh sorry, I didn't actually notice that we _were_ talking about a relay module. Silly me.
[21:42] <mgottschlag> you could use a level shifter, a bunch of zener diodes, or an optocoupler
[21:42] * b03tz (52485bdd@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Quit: Thanks again gordonDrogon !)
[21:42] <mjr> sorry, disregard everything I
[21:42] <mjr> 've ever said
[21:43] <pothibo> http://www.rocketnumbernine.com/2009/04/10/5v-33v-bidirectional-level-converter
[21:43] <pothibo> mjr: no problem ;)
[21:43] <hobo> has anybody talked with an xbee using the gpio?
[21:43] <hobo> or do i need a breakout board?
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[21:44] <pothibo> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8745 this would be what I need correct?
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[21:45] <mgottschlag> both links look good to me, although I am not that experienced at electronics either
[21:46] <pothibo> mgottschlag: ok
[21:46] <mgottschlag> but as you need 4 of those modules, there might be an easier solution
[21:46] <mgottschlag> (to drive 8 relays)
[21:46] <pothibo> well 8 I have 8 relay
[21:46] <pothibo> ahem
[21:47] * KutmasteR tickles IT_sean with OKCupids love arrow
[21:47] <KutmasteR> ;)
[21:47] <mgottschlag> that module contains two ICs afaics
[21:47] <KutmasteR> you got quite the following now
[21:47] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!*Kurt@68.142.94.*
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[21:48] <hobo> lol
[21:48] <franknbeans> someones mad
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[21:48] * linuxthefish is now known as linuxthefish`
[21:48] <IT_Sean> [censored] trolls. :/
[21:49] <pronto> wait, is there a mode that makes it show up as [censored] ? i knwo some networks have that
[21:49] <IT_Sean> no
[21:49] <IT_Sean> i just typed [censored]
[21:49] <pronto> ah
[21:49] <franknbeans> [censored]
[21:49] <franknbeans> it works
[21:49] <IT_Sean> indeed.
[21:49] <Caleb> lulz
[21:49] <pronto> i think on unrealird it's mode +G or something
[21:49] <|Jeroen|> i don't believe it
[21:49] <IT_Sean> we don't have that feature here on freenode
[21:49] <pronto> ah
[21:50] <franknbeans> [censored] freenode
[21:50] <IT_Sean> alllright
[21:50] <pronto> efnet for life!
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[21:50] <franknbeans> 4lifes!
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[21:50] <franknbeans> [censored] [censored] irc [censored] [censored]
[21:50] <franknbeans> also pi
[21:51] <franknbeans> how come they guy got kicked for saying okcupid
[21:51] <franknbeans> that*
[21:51] <hobo> any north america distributers for slice of pi?
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[21:51] <pronto> hobo: meaning yo u want to buy a pi? mcm has them
[21:51] <pronto> https://www.mcmelectronics.com/
[21:52] <hobo> i want a slice of pi breakout board
[21:52] <franknbeans> mcm is cheaper [censored] adafruit
[21:52] <pronto> not sure if all of northamerica, but it's at least USA
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[21:52] <hobo> http://www.abra-electronics.com/products/K000-Slice-of-Pi-%252d-Add-on-for-Raspberry-PI.html
[21:53] <pronto> ah
[21:53] <pronto> they have things that look similar, but i dont think they have that specificly
[21:53] <hobo> yeah, been trying to find in canada but no luck
[21:54] <franknbeans> http://25.media.tumblr.com/eb713584f4d8cdb659a423933b57a149/tumblr_mhcyn6b19P1qam8b5o1_400.gif suddenly cows
[21:54] <pronto> suddenly dinner
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[21:56] <Shaan> hey guys anyone ever install TrueCrypt on pi?
[21:56] <pronto> i'm sure someone has
[21:57] <Shaan> well, i googled it and a few people have however i am getting some issue's so i figured maybe someone in the channel could help
[21:57] <pronto> though, i'm not seeing it in the rasbian repo's
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[21:57] <Shaan> how can i check what is on raspbian repo's?
[21:58] <pronto> apt-cache search thingsgohere
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[21:58] <Shaan> and is there a request list to get it added perhaps later on down the road?
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[21:58] <pronto> well it is open source, so someone will have to cross compile it for arm
[21:58] <Mensch-Maschine> Hi everyone, little question (somehow I can???t find the answer???)
[21:59] <pronto> i don't know, can you?
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[21:59] <Shaan> i dont know how to how code :(
[21:59] <pronto> Mensch-Maschine: FYI: most irc channels go by "dont ask to ask; just ask"
[21:59] <pronto> Shaan: you most likely wouldnt need to program antyhing, just run gcc on it with arm options
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[21:59] <pronto> then toss it on the pi
[22:00] <Shaan> ok
[22:00] <Mensch-Maschine> I???m typing actually typing the question, I was just saying hi
[22:00] <pronto> theres documentation on cross compiling in places
[22:00] <Mensch-Maschine> Does the arch distrib available on pi website comes with sshd running at startup or should I configure it beforehand?
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[22:01] <pronto> i'm pretty sure it auto starts, but i dont know 100%
[22:02] <raspberrynewbie> goot night everyone
[22:02] <Mensch-Maschine> Cheers, I guess I???ll find out once I get my pi in the mail. And it won???t work. And I???ll spend hours trying to figure it out
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[22:02] <tonsit> night
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[22:08] <pothibo> So to fisnish with the level converter problem from raspberry-pi to relay module. I only need unidirectional conversion right? 3v3 to 5.
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[22:11] <gordonDrogon> pothibo, most 5v logic will work from 3.3v.
[22:11] <pothibo> gordonDrogon: ok
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> just not the other way round ...
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[22:12] <pothibo> and there's no risk of frying up the pi right?
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[22:12] <pothibo> I just want to be sure before playing with it
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[22:12] <gordonDrogon> as long as it's outputs from the Pi to inputs on another device...
[22:12] <pothibo> yu
[22:12] <pothibo> haha i feel so stupid
[22:13] <pothibo> I'm like a child asking his mom if it's ok to do something
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[22:14] <pothibo> gordonDrogon: And if it doesn't work, I can just apply resistor to the 3.3v source to increment it to 5v right?
[22:14] <IT_Sean> wait what?
[22:14] <mgottschlag> pothibo: that only works the other way round
[22:14] <IT_Sean> ... you can't use a resistor to make 5v from 3.3v...
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[22:14] <pothibo> lol
[22:14] <pothibo> I'm useless
[22:15] <pronto> we know
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[22:16] <Joeboy> Everybody starts somewhere :-)
[22:16] <mgottschlag> pothibo: you can use a transistor to make 5V from 3.3V
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[22:16] <pothibo> ok
[22:16] <pothibo> transistor? Not capacitor
[22:16] <blomblom> Hey, could it be the new kernel upgrade (arch user), the disabling of composite effects, divine intervention, hallucination or pure luck that just made my raspie lightning fast after reboot? :D
[22:17] * pothibo is reading wikipedia at the same time
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[22:17] <swart> if he's running 8 relays does it really make sense to have those powered directly from the pi?
[22:18] <mgottschlag> pothibo: a transistor is an electrical switch, you can use 3.3V gate/base to switch a larger voltage/current
[22:18] <pothibo> mgottschlag: ok basically same as the relay
[22:18] <pothibo> swart: only 1 relay will be open at the same time
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[22:18] <swart> the gertboard has one of those http://www.tech-fruits.com/archives/6042
[22:19] <swart> kind of expensive but I just picked up a couple of ULN2803s for $1.50 each :)
[22:19] <swart> still out of my depth on building circuits with multiple voltage levels. sticking with LEDs this week
[22:20] <mgottschlag> pothibo: the ULN2803 is a chip with 8 transistors usable for something like this
[22:20] <mgottschlag> well, actually 16 transistors, but that's mostly details :)
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> uln2803's are good. make good relay drivers.
[22:20] <swart> why would you use one of those instead of a MOSFET? just convenience?
[22:20] <swart> 8 MOSFETS :)
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> or incandescent bulb drivers: http://unicorn.drogon.net/bulb.jpg
[22:21] <mgottschlag> in this case, 8 normal mosfets certainly are good enough, yeah
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> swart, one package that can drive 8 devices. small, compact, trivial to use.
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[22:21] <swart> and heat dissipation isn't an issue? I was surprised there was no place to put a heat sink on that chip
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[22:21] <pothibo> hmmm ok so I would power the transistor from the power supply directly, and use IN as GPIO and OUT to drive the relay, correct?
[22:22] <mgottschlag> is a normal mosfet already at saturation at 3.3v btw?
[22:22] <gordonjcp> swart: it's not generally used in a linear mode
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> swart, it's good for a total draw of 500mA
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> pothibo, how many relays?
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[22:22] <pothibo> 8
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> pothibo, use a uln2803.
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> however the Pi will not power 8 relays directly, you'll need an external power supply.
[22:23] <mgottschlag> btw, the board already has drivers, so he doesn't need that function
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> oh - thought he was building from scratch.
[22:23] <mgottschlag> he only needs a decoupler
[22:23] <pothibo> gordonDrogon: yup, that's what I was saying power the uln2803 directly from my power supply?
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> there are lots of boards on ebay with 8 relays.
[22:23] <pothibo> rofl
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> some of them need 5 volts though.
[22:24] <pothibo> mine does
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> is it one of them ones with opto isolators in-front of the relays?
[22:24] <VetteWork> Python 2 or 3 better?
[22:24] <pothibo> yes
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> yea, they're somewaht challenging for the 3.3v of the Pi.
[22:24] <pothibo> ok
[22:24] <pothibo> so uln2803 it is
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> VetteWork, whatever you're most familiar with.
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[22:25] <VetteWork> gordon, I am 100% new to it..
[22:25] <pothibo> so it's the bridge between the pi and the relay module(excuse my lack of technical terms)
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[22:25] <swart> I wouldn't hestitate to recommend basic for new programmers
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[22:25] <gordonDrogon> you might as well make your own relay board though... or get a relay board that works off 3.3v.
[22:25] <VetteWork> trying to get pysnmp but its for 2 or 3, different installs.. so wondering which i should go with :P
[22:26] <pothibo> gordonDrogon: bought the relay board already...
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[22:26] <swart> basic only starts to become a problem with large programs
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> VetteWork, I've no idea. I don't program in Python. C, BASIC and some others for me...
[22:26] <VetteWork> copy
[22:26] <palango> hey, if I run speaker-test I get this error: Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
[22:26] <pothibo> http://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/IC/uln2803a.pdf what does COM means?
[22:26] <palango> any ideas what could cause that?
[22:26] <pothibo> palango: what driver are you using?
[22:26] <VetteWork> Common most likely?
[22:27] <pothibo> Common?
[22:27] <pothibo> Common as power input?
[22:27] <pothibo> :P
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> you need to make sure that works with the relay board first.
[22:27] <palango> pothibo: it's a usb sound card and I changed alsa-base.conf to make it default
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> which relay board did you buy?
[22:27] <pothibo> sainsmart 8 relay board with opto isolator
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> ok. rings a bell.
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> I think on those you can change the resistors, but they're small smt ones..
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[22:28] <mgottschlag> actually, the board should already work at 3.3V
[22:28] <pothibo> mgottschlag: ok ok
[22:28] <pothibo> so Let's give it a spin
[22:28] <pothibo> I'll probably be back for more hah
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, the resistors on the LEDs are too high for 3.3v to work reliably...
[22:28] <mgottschlag> I only said that some decoupling might be useful because I don't see anything in the document
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[22:29] <mgottschlag> huh, okay, it says 2.5V-5V
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> oh, ok.
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> just remembering the last one I looked at...
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> in which case, connect it up..
[22:31] <palango> pothibo: it even shows up in alsamixer but I can#t get a tone out of it
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[22:34] <pothibo> one last thing and this, you will laugh: I bought a power supply black long gray bars is the power or ground? /ducks
[22:35] <pothibo> salesman there was probably as clueless as I am
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[22:35] <mgottschlag> black long gray bars?
[22:35] <swart> ULN2803A is $0.48 each on taydaelectronics.com
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[22:36] <IT_Sean> o_O
[22:36] <pothibo> well I don't know??? the guy said I could use it, and I forgot to ask him which was the ground (even if I'd ask he wouldn't have known probably) it's like a power supply for cellphones
[22:36] <pothibo> it's 5v 4a
[22:37] <IT_Sean> what colors are the wires?
[22:37] <pothibo> black & black
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[22:37] <IT_Sean> got a multimeter?
[22:37] <pothibo> not yet lol
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[22:37] <mgottschlag> camera?
[22:37] <pothibo> camera?
[22:37] <mgottschlag> well, a picture might help :)
[22:37] <pothibo> oh
[22:38] <pothibo> sec
[22:38] <mgottschlag> otherwise you probably could find out with 3-4 parts (like, diode, resistor, led)
[22:38] <IT_Sean> aye
[22:40] <pothibo> iPhoto uploading
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[22:41] <mdszy> my Raspi won't boot D:
[22:41] <hobo> what did oyu do?
[22:41] <mdszy> I have no idea!
[22:41] <pothibo> http://cloud.pothibo.com/image/2c2S2r2t3M1b
[22:41] <mdszy> I checked that the SD card was in order, AFAIK it is.
[22:41] <pothibo> palango: well, have you rebooted your audio service?
[22:41] <mdszy> power supply is fine
[22:42] <mdszy> dunno if I could've gotten it with a bit of static electricity and fried it
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[22:42] <hobo> lights not turning on?
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[22:42] <mdszy> hobo, the power light does, the ACT light doesn't though
[22:43] <Mortvert> mdszy - bought it from RS?
[22:43] <mdszy> I did get it to KINDA boot just a few minutes ago, it got to the GPU test screen (the funky color box)
[22:43] <mdszy> Mortvert, RS? I have no idea. I got it as a present.
[22:43] <mdszy> It was from my dad, I imagine he got it off of Amazon because he said something about it not being near $35.
[22:43] <Mortvert> mdszy - chances are the people got it from RS which got a bad batch lately.
[22:43] <mdszy> Oh no, this is from a while ago.
[22:44] <mdszy> I got it on Christmas, have had it for a while
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[22:44] <mdszy> it's been working fine ever since I got it, just today started acting up.
[22:45] <mgottschlag> pothibo: I have no idea
[22:45] <mgottschlag> you'd need to test it somehow
[22:45] <pothibo> mgottschlag: well, I'll play around
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[22:46] <mdszy> I'm backing up the SD card right now.
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> http://vimeo.com/48514003 <- street pong with traffic lights.
[22:46] <mdszy> Gonna try restoring it and see if I didn't fuck something up on the OS
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[22:46] <mdszy> erm, mess something up :S
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[22:48] <piney_> mdszy, please watch your language
[22:48] * piney_ refers to the topic
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[22:48] <mdszy> piney_, sorry
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[22:49] <piney_> it's all good imo. we all slip on accident here and there. just making sure you even knew :)
[22:50] <mdszy> I did see that, I thought I remembered this channel had a no-swearing policy, and it did :S
[22:50] <mdszy> Is it possible though to fry the thing with static electricity? I'd imagine, since that can be a danger to any computer.
[22:51] <swart> yes. although I've been handling RAM carelessly for years and never experienced that
[22:51] <mdszy> ah.
[22:51] * swart has now brought the curse of the gods upon himself
[22:52] <s5fs> oh wth, someone drops an "F" bomb and nothing, yet I bring an "a" word and get booted?
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[22:52] <piney_> mdszy, did you look at this page? http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[22:52] <piney_> s5fs, it all depends on who's watching i would assume
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> more than likely.
[22:53] <mdszy> piney_, yes, I did.
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[22:53] <piney_> so, you still think you fried it?
[22:53] <palango> pothibo: yep, (in case it is init.d/alsa-utils restart)
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[22:54] <mdszy> It's a possibility.
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[22:54] <gordonDrogon> most electronics are reasonably safe when assembled, but individual components can be susceptible to static. some more than others
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[22:54] <s5fs> piney_: indeed. i dislike heavy-handed administration, esp when it's inconsisently applied
[22:54] <palango> should there be something in asound.conf ?
[22:54] <mdszy> piney_, I'm backing up the SD card right now and am going to try restoring it to the installation image.
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[23:00] <Out`Of`Control> HI, is there OS with libre-kernel that i can run on raspberry pi?
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[23:00] <palango> I renamed the asound.conf fiel and now I can hear noise with "speaker-test -D plug:front", however "speaker-test" remains silent
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[23:02] <palango> how can I set this as default?
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[23:10] <mdszy> oh hey, done backing up. Gonna try restoring now.
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[23:27] <gordonDrogon> Out`Of`Control, libre-kernel?
[23:27] <Out`Of`Control> gordonDrogon: yes you know what is libre kernel?
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[23:27] <gordonDrogon> Out`Of`Control, indulge me ...
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[23:28] <Out`Of`Control> gordonDrogon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-libre
[23:29] <swart> hey is it possible to control gpio from scratch?
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> swart, yes.
[23:29] <swart> ah no need to reinvent the wheel :)
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> Out`Of`Control, yes, I could have found that for myself, but a quick one-liner would have been handy.
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> Out`Of`Control, so the answer to your question is: google it.
[23:30] <Out`Of`Control> gordonDrogon: as i can see there is non. So maybe someone compile one with libre-kernel?
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[23:30] <gordonDrogon> feel free.
[23:31] <mdszy> Shoot.
[23:31] <mdszy> Still doesn't work.
[23:32] <linuxstb> Out`Of`Control: Are you aware that the Pi relies on a large GPU firmware binary blob?
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[23:33] <Out`Of`Control> linuxstb: As i read it was at start later they free it umm
[23:33] <linuxstb> No, not at all.
[23:33] <Out`Of`Control> linuxstb: but i can run it without GUI i guess
[23:33] <linuxstb> All they opened was the wrapper API to communicate with that blob.
[23:34] <Out`Of`Control> linuxstb: oh that sucks :/
[23:34] <adav> anyone got gstreamer-1.0 working on raspi with openmax h/w acceleration? atleast H264 decoding of 1080p video?
[23:34] <linuxstb> The GPU isn't just the GUI. The GPU boots first, then starts the ARM. You can't use the Pi without the GPU.
[23:35] <Out`Of`Control> linuxstb: i see, thanks for info
[23:36] <Out`Of`Control> linuxstb: if i understand it right GPU drivers are NOT free/open
[23:36] <mdszy> I'm kinda thinking I fried the thing.
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[23:37] <swart> did you try booting off another SD card?
[23:37] <swart> the backup card you surely made? :)
[23:38] <mdszy> swart, I don't have a backup card. I only have this one SD card. I did make a backup of the SD card, and tried restoring to the installation image to no avail.
[23:38] <swart> ah just scrolled back. so you're not sure if this one even works
[23:38] <mdszy> mmhm.
[23:39] <mdszy> I've had this Pi and SD card for a couple of months, it's worked flawlessly until now.
[23:39] <swart> what did you change?
[23:39] <mdszy> absolutely nothing.
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[23:40] <mdszy> I fear I may have fried it with static
[23:40] <swart> something changed
[23:40] <mdszy> Nothing did.
[23:40] <swart> you may have fried your SD card
[23:40] <mdszy> The SD card works fine when I put it in my computer
[23:40] <swart> it worked before, now it doesn't. therefore something changed. QED
[23:40] <Out`Of`Control> linuxstb: huh as i see here its open? http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221
[23:41] <mdszy> swart, QED?
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[23:41] <mdszy> swart, well OBVIOUSLY something changed, you just seem to be assuming that I know what changed.
[23:41] <mdszy> Like I said, I could've fried it with static.
[23:41] <swart> no I never said taht
[23:41] <swart> it's just something that needs to be narrowed down
[23:41] <KiltedPi> How do!
[23:41] <mdszy> I'm trying to do that.
[23:41] <KiltedPi> Been showing scratch to my pals 9 yr old today
[23:41] <mdszy> The SD card works fine in my computer, so it's not the SD card.
[23:42] <KiltedPi> Its amazing how quick they pick it up
[23:42] <mdszy> The power supply is the same as it always is, so it's not that.
[23:42] <KiltedPi> mdszy, do you have the OK light?
[23:42] <KiltedPi> or just PWR?
[23:42] <mdszy> KiltedPi, just PWR
[23:42] <swart> is it possible you damaged one of the pins when you replaced the SD card?
[23:42] <KiltedPi> oh dear :(
[23:42] <KiltedPi> Have you been doing stuff with the GPIO? (interfacing)
[23:42] <mdszy> swart, upon inspection that doesn't seem to be the case
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[23:42] <mdszy> KiltedPi, nope, never touched those
[23:42] <KiltedPi> Well, thats good.
[23:43] <KiltedPi> Hard to break a pi.
[23:43] <KiltedPi> :)
[23:43] <swart> have you plugged anything into it?
[23:43] <KiltedPi> It takes 5 volts
[23:43] <KiltedPi> Yeah- what swart said
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[23:43] <KiltedPi> and around about 1000 amps
[23:43] <swart> 1000 amps?
[23:43] <linuxstb> Out`Of`Control: IIUC, none of that code is interesting. What is interesting is the code running on the GPU, which is closed-source.
[23:43] <mdszy> swart, nope, I had a USB Wifi adaptor in it, but I've unplugged it when I started having issues
[23:43] <KiltedPi> so you can knacker it by putting too much power through it
[23:44] <KiltedPi> oh, or is it 700 amps?
[23:44] <mdszy> KiltedPi, I've been powering it from this powered USB hub which has worked fine before
[23:44] <KiltedPi> I forget :/
[23:44] <flufmnstr> milliamps
[23:44] <KiltedPi> hmmmmm!
[23:44] <flufmnstr> ma
[23:44] <swart> mA I think you mean:)
[23:44] <KiltedPi> ma yeah
[23:44] <KiltedPi> lol
[23:44] <KiltedPi> 1000 AMP PI!
[23:44] <mdszy> haha
[23:44] <KiltedPi> (As seen from the moon!)
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[23:44] <flufmnstr> 700amps is a helluva computer
[23:44] <swart> it would get nice and warm with 1000A
[23:44] <KiltedPi> hahah!
[23:44] <KiltedPi> Anyway!-
[23:44] <KiltedPi> Have you got a voltmeter?
[23:44] <mdszy> nope.
[23:44] <Out`Of`Control> linuxstb: thanks for info
[23:45] <swart> try a different power source
[23:45] <KiltedPi> or multimeter. whatever
[23:45] <mdszy> not on hand, unfortunately
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[23:45] <flufmnstr> get one. multimeters make life a lot easier
[23:45] <swart> does your usb hub still work with other devices?
[23:45] <mdszy> swart, yep
[23:45] <swart> i.e. power
[23:45] <mdszy> mmhm
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[23:45] <KiltedPi> Surely not an ESD thing
[23:45] <KiltedPi> :/
[23:45] <mdszy> ESD?
[23:45] <swart> it's a powered hub?
[23:45] <KiltedPi> Have yet to hear about a-
[23:45] <swart> static
[23:45] <mdszy> swart, yes
[23:45] <KiltedPi> Static
[23:45] <mdszy> Oh, that's good
[23:46] <swart> electrostatic discharge I think
[23:46] <mdszy> very reassuring
[23:46] <swart> the wifi thing seems to be related
[23:46] <mdszy> swart, oh?
[23:46] <swart> well you said you took the wifi off after you started having issues
[23:47] <mdszy> right
[23:47] <mdszy> if it makes a difference, it's a reccomended adaptor for the Pi
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[23:47] <mdszy> I've seen it in tutorials and I believe it's one on the hardware list
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[23:47] <mdszy> it's the little Edimax one.
[23:47] <swart> you need to find a known working SD card and try booting off that
[23:48] <mdszy> this one DOES work.
[23:48] <mdszy> I know for a fact it does
[23:48] <swart> you tried it on another pi?
[23:48] <mdszy> It works perfectly fine in my computer.
[23:48] <chupacabra> so this needs a regular SD card, not micro. Right?
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[23:48] <mdszy> Could it be possible that it works in the computer and not the Pi?
[23:48] <mdszy> chupacabra, yep
[23:48] <chupacabra> tks
[23:48] <swart> mdszy: yeah I think it's possible that could happen
[23:48] <mdszy> I'll scrounge around for a second for another SD
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[23:48] <swart> if something got corrupted on the ext4 partition
[23:49] <flufmnstr> you sure the image isnt knackered?
[23:49] <mdszy> flufmnstr, I've used this image 5+ times
[23:49] <KiltedPi> I dunno. What was the last thing you did with your pi?
[23:49] <KiltedPi> You flashed the SD card?
[23:49] <KiltedPi> Like, rebooted the OS?
[23:49] <mdszy> KiltedPi, the last thing I did was unplugged it, I believe
[23:49] <Mortvert> OOOOH. RS will refund the postage for me.
[23:49] <mdszy> could the hard poweroff have done something?
[23:49] <Mortvert> How nice of them
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[23:50] <KiltedPi^> If you are getting PWR light, and no OK, it basically means the device/circuit is fine- but the OS is the prob
[23:50] <KiltedPi^> Flash SD card
[23:50] <KiltedPi^> Solution to all the worlds problems!
[23:50] <mdszy> KiltedPi^, I've done that. And I have no OK light.
[23:50] <KiltedPi^> "African children starving?" -> Flash SD
[23:50] <mdszy> as in, it doesn't exist on my Pi.
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[23:50] <KiltedPi^> How did you stick the OS on there
[23:51] <mgottschlag> OK = ACT
[23:51] <KiltedPi^> you use win32 diskimager?
[23:51] <Mortvert> Heh.
[23:51] <mdszy> KiltedPi^, dd
[23:51] <Mortvert> Is someone else having that wierd crashing issue?
[23:51] <Mortvert> aka. only pwr light stays on, everything else halts
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[23:51] <Mortvert> (I already returned my PI)
[23:52] <mdszy> brb, dinner
[23:52] <swart> I had that problem when I bought mine
[23:52] <flufmnstr> Mortvert mine seems to do that after a few days of leaving it running
[23:52] <KiltedPi^> Pi is fine then
[23:52] <swart> then I ordered an SD card from pihut, and it worked
[23:52] <KiltedPi^> PWR light on means you haven't bricked your pi yet
[23:52] <swart> so I assume I was flashing the card wrong
[23:52] <flufmnstr> the wifi and power led stay on but the whole thing is locked up
[23:52] <flufmnstr> i just power cycle it and its fine again
[23:52] <KiltedPi^> Possibly swart
[23:52] <Mortvert> KiltedPi^ - i tried 3 different SD cards, 3 different power sources
[23:53] <Mortvert> and booting with/without ethernet
[23:53] <KiltedPi^> Its a software thing
[23:53] <Mortvert> with/without RCA
[23:53] <swart> if you have ram errors things could freeze unexpectedly
[23:53] <KiltedPi^> PWR light on, OK off = software problem
[23:53] <mgottschlag> KiltedPi^: isn't the power led wired directly to the 5v rail?
[23:53] <Mortvert> mgottschlag - i'm 90% sure it is.
[23:53] <mgottschlag> there could be lots of possibilities (bad/fried chip) where the led would still be on
[23:53] <Mortvert> since even without SD it lights up, no?
[23:53] * KiltedPi (KiltedPi@host-92-28-21-9.as13285.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[23:53] <KiltedPi^> The OS
[23:54] <KiltedPi^> what OS did you load?
[23:54] <KiltedPi^> Raspbian?
[23:54] <Mortvert> raspbian
[23:54] <Mortvert> It was fun, i managed to do voltage read when it went down
[23:54] <KiltedPi^> Download a later image. Flash card.
[23:54] <mgottschlag> without SD the ROM bootloader is still running, but it doesn't touch any LED :)
[23:54] <Mortvert> jumped from 4.85v to 5.10
[23:54] <Mortvert> KiltedPi^ - imagine that i tried everything
[23:54] <hobo> bad power?
[23:54] <KiltedPi^> mgott, whats the most likely tho?
[23:54] <Mortvert> hobo - two out of three power sources were reccomended.
[23:55] <KiltedPi^> Eliminate the most likely first :/
[23:55] <hobo> what do you have plugged into usb
[23:55] <Mortvert> if i count my laptop, 2 out of 4
[23:55] <KiltedPi^> Basically pray its not hardware related
[23:55] <Mortvert> hobo - initially - nothing
[23:55] <KiltedPi^> You can DO something about the OS
[23:55] <Mortvert> It just went down without any watning
[23:55] <hobo> sounds like a broken unit then?
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[23:55] <Mortvert> It sometimes managed to die during boot
[23:55] <Mortvert> sometimes i had to put a little load on CPU
[23:55] <swart> sounds like bad memory
[23:56] <swart> I think there are some diagnostics you can run
[23:56] * Mortvert shrugs
[23:56] <KiltedPi^> bummer
[23:56] <swart> if you can at least boot
[23:56] <KiltedPi^> :(
[23:56] <KiltedPi^> Just remind yourself its not a 500 quid laptop you smoked!
[23:56] <swart> exactly
[23:56] <KiltedPi^> and its a 25 quid pi!
[23:56] <flufmnstr> is there a memtest for the pi?
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[23:56] <Mortvert> swart - it seems that RS got a bad batch
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[23:56] <KiltedPi^> I can finally muck around with-
[23:56] <swart> every time you get one order 2 more :)
[23:56] <KiltedPi^> oh, was it a model A?
[23:56] <Mortvert> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=20657 http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=32414
[23:56] <palango> I can hear sound output with "aplay test.wav -D plug:front" but don't get naything without the '-D plug:front' argument. What do I need to put into the asound.conf file to default to that?
[23:57] <KiltedPi^> There was something on forums.
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[23:57] <Mortvert> KiltedPi^ - no, model B, A ain't out yet
[23:57] <KiltedPi^> no idea palango
[23:57] <KiltedPi^> Unix virgin.
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[23:57] <KiltedPi^> Broke my cherry on my pi.
[23:57] * KiltedPi^ smiles smugly at his pun
[23:57] <Mortvert> Ew, shooo
[23:57] <flufmnstr> lol
[23:57] <KiltedPi^> All new to me!
[23:57] <KiltedPi^> :)
[23:58] <KiltedPi^> Has anyone else seen these red chinese pi's!
[23:58] <Joeboy> Mortvert: yes it is! In europe at least.
[23:58] * KiltedPi^ WANTS
[23:58] <Mortvert> Joeboy - hm?
[23:58] <KiltedPi^> The model A will be great for robotics
[23:58] <KiltedPi^> power slimmed pis
[23:58] <flufmnstr> KiltedPi^ yes. and i want one so bad!
[23:58] <KiltedPi^> I don't know why I want one.
[23:58] <Joeboy> They're available in the UK from farnell / rs
[23:58] <flufmnstr> almost willing to switch to communism to get one
[23:58] <KiltedPi^> I just know I do
[23:58] <KiltedPi^> :)
[23:58] <Mortvert> Joeboy - No, version A isn't out >_>
[23:59] <KiltedPi^> You know it comrade
[23:59] <Joeboy> Mortvert: Ive got two in my shopping cart
[23:59] <Mortvert> Joeboy - derp, ignore me, didn't look on main page
[23:59] <KiltedPi^> are they 512 MB?
[23:59] <Joeboy> admittedly not in my hand
[23:59] <Joeboy> nope, 256 I believe
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[23:59] <KiltedPi^> or like -
[23:59] <Mortvert> Joeboy - don't order from RS D:
[23:59] <KiltedPi^> neat
[23:59] <Mortvert> They have bad luck lately
[23:59] <Mortvert> (quite a big bad batch was sent out)

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