#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-02-06

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[0:00] <flufmnstr> wheres the good place to get a few pis these days?
[0:00] <Mortvert> Anywhere but RS. :v
[0:01] <Joeboy> Is there any reason to believe their model As will be dodgy?
[0:01] <TomWij> Joeboy: Note how this guy is linking a single batch from some months ago...
[0:01] <Mortvert> Joeboy - Bad experience.
[0:02] <Mortvert> TomWij - and i've hit the same bad batch right now too.
[0:02] <flufmnstr> so the adafruit pis should still be ok i take it
[0:02] <Mortvert> Bought one from them 4 weeks ago, got shipped week ago, sent it back today.
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[0:03] <TomWij> Good experience, bad batches and bad units happen; and I don't see how yours is a bad batch, might be a single occasion until you find other reports.
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[0:04] <Mortvert> TomWij - look at the topic from "some months ago"
[0:04] <Mortvert> at last pages
[0:06] <TomWij> Mortvert: In the second topic, the user hasn't even reported back yet and these are the same characteristics as a bad SD card could give; I'll look at the first now.
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[0:06] <Redex> I dont know why Im confused but last year Im sure I read that there were two models A and B Rev 1 and then 2. Assumed model A was already out there somewhere during 2012
[0:06] <Mortvert> TomWij - one tip: They all were bought from RS
[0:06] <Redex> did they go straight into production with the model Bs then ?
[0:06] <TomWij> Fwiw, you need to pass certain kernel options or set certain sysctl settings for some SD cards.
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[0:07] <Redex> or were some As released?
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[0:07] <Joeboy> No As in production until a couple of days ago
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[0:10] <TomWij> mpalomer, jurmelius are both Allied (!= RS); radioelf is is from 7 batches earlier and thus not of this week; and yeah, then 3 users only there. Interesting, wonder if there are more...
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[0:12] <Mortvert> TomWij - Allied and RS use the same factory, no?
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[0:13] <swart> so what is the problem with the "bad batch"?
[0:13] <Mortvert> swart - they're half-baked
[0:13] <Mortvert> they shut themselves down after X minutes
[0:13] <swart> is there a specific component that is failing?
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[0:14] <hobo> anybody use xbees?
[0:14] <Mortvert> no idea, i don't have equipment/skills to check every single thing on the board.
[0:14] <TomWij> Mortvert: No idea about their internals (and thus there factory), I would assume them to be separated batches; you can especially notice this in the different serial numbers.
[0:15] <Mortvert> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=32239 Another one
[0:16] <Mortvert> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=32176 Another one.
[0:16] <Mortvert> >_>
[0:16] <Mortvert> I really hope that RS will look into their factory/whatever
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[0:16] <Joeboy> Are RS's pis not made in the same place as everybody else's?
[0:17] <TomWij> Mortvert: The first one doesn't even mention RS and the second one is the older 265 MB version...
[0:17] <swart> Mortvert: ah literally "half baked" - bad solder connections?
[0:17] <Mortvert> swart - yep.
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[0:17] <TomWij> 256*
[0:17] <Mortvert> TomWij - loloops.
[0:17] <flufmnstr> bad solders or bad waffers?
[0:18] <Mortvert> Still, it's pretty frequent for some reason.
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[0:18] <swart> one guy was suggesting you back them "gently" (take any plastic off first)
[0:18] <swart> bake
[0:18] <TomWij> So far 4 cases including you, so yeah, might have been a few units that got sent out bad.
[0:18] <swart> http://goughlui.com/?p=160
[0:19] <flufmnstr> supposedly works for GPUs and xboxes
[0:19] <flufmnstr> ^the rebaking thing
[0:19] <TomWij> swart: Given that RS worked through their queue a RMA wouldn't take that long, better not risk breaking it further these days... At least not if you still have warranty.
[0:19] <swart> fair enough
[0:20] <swart> was just thinking about ordering a couple. hoping this is sorted
[0:20] <Mortvert> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=30515 yet another one
[0:20] <swart> but is it only RS? are there multiple plants where these are being built?
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[0:21] <Mortvert> That i don't know.
[0:21] <mdszy> back
[0:21] <mdszy> and I found another SD!
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[0:21] <mdszy> gonna try it
[0:21] <TomWij> If you look at all the RPi's sent out, there is at probably at most 1% chance you end up with a broken one or gets lost in mail, or ...
[0:21] <Mortvert> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=31634 again.
[0:22] <Mortvert> TomWij - all i know that i'm mad at RS for not properly checking the board :<
[0:22] <swart> sounds like you should ask for a refund/replacement
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[0:23] <swart> I'm sure they've got a process in place by now
[0:23] <TomWij> These links again don't mention RS, and it would be nice if this people checked their dmesg; who knows we're looking at a bug at a firmware / kernel / software bug in an image too... :D
[0:23] <mdik> i guess they cut on quality assurance to satisfy the vast demand
[0:23] <TomWij> s/at a bug//
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[0:25] <Redex> could it be technically possible for some software to be written to pound the pi with tests? as part of the OS e.g. raspi-config ?
[0:26] <TomWij> Mortvert: Well, I don't know about these days how many they process a day; but if you look at how the order numbers progressed back in the days you really couldn't check each single RPi for several minutes. Especially not with the people complaining with "omg, got to wait so long!"...
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[0:26] <Redex> so when we receive the pis we can run the test and work out any shortcomings earlier rather tan few monthsw doen the line ?
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[0:26] <Redex> just thinking of the "kids" - nothing more disappointed than a toy broken at the start !
[0:27] <Redex> pi = toy , bad wording of course !
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[0:29] <JakeSays> so does java run on the pi yet?
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[0:31] <swart> JakeSays: yet?
[0:31] <JakeSays> yes
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[0:31] <swart> looks like it's been running for a while
[0:31] <JakeSays> ok good:)
[0:31] <swart> at least since last year
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[0:32] <JakeSays> is it the openjdk? i assume oracle isnt providing an install
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[0:32] <mdik> JakeSays: do you have a pi?
[0:32] <swart> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/articles/java/raspberrypi-1704896.html
[0:32] <JakeSays> mdik: i have two of 'em
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[0:33] <mdik> JakeSays: then why don't you look it up yourself?
[0:33] <JakeSays> swart: wow. very cool - thanks!
[0:33] <mdik> aptitude search openjdk
[0:33] <JakeSays> mdik: my pi's aren't in front of me at the moment
[0:33] <swart> yeah I would be cautious about Oracle's docs :)
[0:33] <KiltedPi> Jave runs on anything
[0:33] <KiltedPi> Thats what makes java awesome
[0:33] <KiltedPi> it has a JRE
[0:34] <swart> except Apple hardware :)
[0:34] <JakeSays> nothing makes java awesome
[0:34] <KiltedPi> It runs on coca cola machines :)
[0:34] <r4> systemd doesn't start a console and or a tty session on anything but /dev/tty1, correct?
[0:34] <ParkerR> swart, Umm nope Even Apple
[0:34] <JakeSays> running on anything makes it tolerable
[0:34] <ParkerR> swart, The beauty of jailbreaking
[0:34] <swart> well not their smaller, more popular computers
[0:34] <swart> bah
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[0:34] <swart> I don't have time to fight with apple
[0:34] <r4> i want to make sure nother is messing with the connection of my rpi->arduino via USB cable
[0:34] <r4> nothing*
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[0:35] <mdik> KiLaHuRtZ: C runs on anything, that's what makes C awesome
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[0:35] <swart> mdik: +1 :)
[0:35] <swart> except C doesn't run on a Blackberry
[0:35] <mdszy> AH HA
[0:35] <mdik> sorry, KiLaHuRtZ
[0:35] <mdszy> ITS THE SD CARD
[0:35] <mdszy> HOOORAY
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[0:35] <JakeSays> swart: it doenst?
[0:36] <swart> pity because they have such a nice keyboard
[0:36] <swart> it's Java only
[0:36] <JakeSays> wow
[0:36] <swart> I'm sure there's C somewhere
[0:36] <JakeSays> even with their new fancy os?
[0:36] <swart> no idea
[0:36] <mdik> swart: i would bet that it runs on a blackberry, but they don't let it
[0:36] <swart> similar with Android
[0:36] <JakeSays> android?
[0:36] <swart> I'd much rather use C
[0:36] <JakeSays> C runs fine on android
[0:36] <hybr1d8> C runs on nothing - C can be compiled to run on many things
[0:36] <hybr1d8> Java (the language) can be compiled to Java bytecode which can run on anything with a JVM
[0:36] <hybr1d8> So Java is *very* platform specific - but the platform itself is portable ;
[0:36] <JakeSays> so does c++
[0:36] <swart> I like high-level languages
[0:37] <swart> yeah pedantry!
[0:37] <hybr1d8> ;)
[0:37] <tonsit> i code with punch cards personally
[0:37] * mdszy tries restoring from the backup
[0:37] <hybr1d8> toggle switches FTW
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[0:37] <mgottschlag> butterflies!
[0:38] <JakeSays> so i want to do some experimenting with GPIO, but i'm afraid of blowing things up
[0:38] <swart> JakeSays: ah I see there is an NDK now
[0:39] <swart> JakeSays: don't be afraid. just be careful
[0:39] <JakeSays> swart: yeah the ndk has been around for a very long time
[0:39] <mdik> JakeSays: start by building a radio
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[0:39] <KiltedPi> JVM/JRE
[0:39] <JakeSays> a radio?
[0:39] <KiltedPi> Yeah
[0:39] <mdik> http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter
[0:39] <swart> JakeSays: I stopped mobile dev a few years ago
[0:39] <KiltedPi> Java runtime environment/
[0:39] <KiltedPi> Java virtual machine
[0:39] <JakeSays> swart: yeah, i only develop for my own phone
[0:40] <JakeSays> mdik: interesting
[0:40] <JakeSays> i have a device i built that contains a basic stamp controller running a servo motor. i'd like to replace the stamp controller with a pi
[0:41] <KiltedPi> The LED test circuit gordonDrogon made, or the one in the magpi magazine is a good place to start too
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[0:44] <Redex> love the FM transmitter idea !
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[0:48] <Mortvert> add a radio-in and you have a ham radio!
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[1:00] <JakeSays> ohhh gertboards are available?
[1:00] <swart> yeah but I didn't see the price - how much are they?
[1:00] <JakeSays> $48.60
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[1:00] <JakeSays> ah damn. out of stock :(
[1:00] <swart> how does it compare to a piface?
[1:01] <JakeSays> dunno. never heard of piface
[1:01] <swart> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-52857?ICID=rasp-accessory-group
[1:02] <JakeSays> looks like the gertboard is a lot more than piface.
[1:02] <JakeSays> the gertboard has its own onboard mcu
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[1:02] <swart> yeah piface is less complex
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[1:02] <swart> depends what you need I suppose
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[1:03] <JakeSays> but piface is available
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[1:03] <mdszy> Dang, I hope I don't have to start over with my Pi.
[1:03] <IT_Sean> ?
[1:03] <mdszy> Dunno if I can restore this 4GB SD card with the image from my 16GB one.
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[1:04] <JakeSays> man wish i had more time :(
[1:04] <mdszy> and no space left on device
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[1:05] <JakeSays> swart: ah farnell has gertboards in stock
[1:05] <JakeSays> wonder if they'll ship to the US
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[1:07] <mdszy> dangit
[1:07] <mdszy> the restore didn't work
[1:08] <Primer> duh
[1:08] <Primer> you can't fit 16g into 4g
[1:08] <swart> looks like piface is all controlled through SPI whereas Gertboard just gives you access to the gpio directly. I could be wrong. I often am
[1:08] <mdszy> Primer, well, there was only one way to find out: trying!
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[1:08] <Primer> mdszy: loop mount and copy
[1:08] <Primer> presuming there's > 12g of free space on that 16g image
[1:08] <JakeSays> lol the idea of having a mcu for my sbc is very cool
[1:09] <mdszy> Primer, well, already deleted the backup XD
[1:09] <mdszy> so I'll just start over with it, no biggie
[1:09] <Primer> Someone else was trying to do this here yesterday...
[1:09] <Primer> or was that you?
[1:09] <mdszy> I don't think it was.
[1:09] <mdszy> if it was me, it'd be under this nick.
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[1:11] <JakeSays> swart: i think i need one of each
[1:11] <swart> heh
[1:12] <swart> I still can't get my head around pull-up resistors
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[1:12] <swart> once I achieve enlightenment I will feel less likely to break things
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[1:12] <JakeSays> they're used to tie a line to vcc when it isn't connected
[1:13] <JakeSays> to anything
[1:13] <swart> yeah I read about it, and I kind of get that
[1:13] <JakeSays> otherwise the signal on the line can float
[1:13] <ParkerR> So
[1:13] <swart> but I'm looking at the diagram for wired-or circuits and it's not making sense to me
[1:13] <ParkerR> Cables for the lapdock just arrived
[1:13] <swart> I think I need to make some tables
[1:14] <JakeSays> hmm. since i have two pi's i'll need a gertboard and piface for each
[1:14] <swart> what are you making?
[1:15] <JakeSays> heh. no idea.
[1:15] <JakeSays> i'll think of something
[1:15] <swart> good for robotics I think
[1:15] <swart> especially the gertboard
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[1:16] <swart> I noticed adafruit is carrying rails for CNC machines. some sort of variation on that would be very cool
[1:16] <swart> like an eggbot, but more useful :)
[1:16] <JakeSays> about six years ago i purchased a surplus piece of lab equipment that has a 3 axis arm thing on it. i think it was made in the 80's. i'd really like to drive it with a pi.
[1:17] <swart> definitely
[1:17] <IT_Sean> you could, in theory.
[1:17] <swart> it's not going to get more awesome sitting in the garage :)
[1:17] <IT_Sean> go for it
[1:17] <JakeSays> swart: very true!
[1:17] <IT_Sean> sounds fun
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[1:18] <swart> you'll need motors. stepper motors are cheap
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[1:19] <BigBadGhost> Evenin' all.
[1:20] <flufmnstr> shot in the dark: Anyone familiar with compiling QLC or QLC+ on the pi?
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[1:29] <swart> so if I've got a switch and I want it to have +3.3V when it's open, and 0V when it's closed, would I use a pull-up resistor of like 5K ohms?
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[1:31] <plugwash> a pull up resistor is what you would use, the exact value is not critical
[1:31] <swart> or have I got that backwards
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[1:31] <swart> sure. but in general I'd use a small resistor < 1k for current limiting, and a > 1k for pullup/pulldown?
[1:32] <plugwash> by "current limiting" you mean protecting against idiot programmers setting the pin as an output?
[1:32] <swart> sure. idiocy is everywhere :)
[1:32] <swart> or for LEDs
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[1:33] <plugwash> well for LEDs the resistor value is set by the current you want to go through the LED
[1:33] <swart> right but usually they'll tolerate up to about 200 mA, so that's a simple calculation
[1:33] <IT_Sean> Not enough current = dim LED. Too much current = crispy LED.
[1:34] <pksato> port can be configured to make pup or pdown.
[1:34] <plugwash> most designs i've seen with "protection against idiots" resistors have them smaller than the pullups/pulldowns but there is no real reason it has to be that way
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[1:36] <plugwash> note: afaict resistors for protection against idiots are usually only included in designs intended to be programmed by kids/students
[1:37] <BigBadGhost> Doesn't a resistor prolong the life of the LED though?
[1:37] <swart> I was mostly thinking about LEDs. I haven't shorted anythign out in software yet, but I'm sure I'll do that soon enough
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[1:41] <swart> BigBadGhost: you don't need much current at all to light up an LED
[1:41] <swart> even 1.5V without a resistor will definitely shorten the life of any LED
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[1:42] <swart> you can get away with a coin cell battery and an LED without a resistor though
[1:43] <BigBadGhost> Ya, I always figured that LED had a certain "ideal" input current that if you short changed it, it wouldn't be as bright
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[1:43] <swart> they last a long time
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[1:43] <BigBadGhost> I mean once you get to a certain point of brightness, all you're doing by adding more to it is shortening its life and generating excess heat
[1:44] <pksato> LEDs are Diodes. And, diodes are a special conductor.
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[1:44] <swart> I don't know. I've seen them get pretty bright before ending their lives
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[1:45] <IT_Sean> The more you feed them, above a set amount of current, the shorter their lifespan.
[1:45] <BigBadGhost> I've always just looked at their recommended current and chose the resistors based on that
[1:45] <IT_Sean> Hence the old saying: The LED that burns twice as bright, lives half as long.
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[1:49] <UnaClocker> I always just go overly cautious and use an oversized resistor. Generally have to REALLY go overboard on the resistor before it impacts the brightness in a real way.
[1:50] <UnaClocker> Except when I'm doing charlieplexing, then I go way below the resistance I actually need, because I'm turning them on and off too fast to damage them.
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[1:51] <TheShaun> new camera module looks good, pity of its size
[1:52] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, So I'mkinda irked that I had to cut down the microUSB female http://i.minus.com/ixwMJp29NptPP.JPG
[1:52] <flufmnstr> charlieplexing?
[1:52] <swart> really useful info. thanks
[1:52] <flufmnstr> never heard that term before
[1:52] <BigBadGhost> Camera module for Pi?
[1:53] <ParkerR> BigBadGhost, What about t?
[1:53] <ParkerR> (it
[1:53] <UnaClocker> flufmnstr: When driving an LED off a microcontroller, the pins have 3 states, HIGH, LOW, and high impedance (INPUT).. Using those 3 states to drive, say, 20 LED's off 5 IO pins, is called Charlieplexing.
[1:53] <BigBadGhost> I hadn't seen it before
[1:53] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: Yeah, that's a lot of hacking.. ;)
[1:54] <flufmnstr> thats awesome
[1:54] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: Is that IRC running on your lapdock? :)
[1:54] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Also lost a lot of stability of the connector
[1:54] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Nooo
[1:54] <ParkerR> Thats my laptop
[1:54] <Triffid_Hunter> charliepixeling can also exploit the number of leds in a string that can be illuminated given your supply voltage
[1:55] <UnaClocker> flufmnstr: Yeah, it's really handy.. I made a wearable PCB that has 20 individually addressable LED's that blink in cool patterns, and uses a 60cent microcontroller that only has 5 IO pins..
[1:55] <SwK> UnaClocker: hey you did the littel rpi laptop right?
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[1:55] <UnaClocker> Triffid_Hunter: Yeah, that too.. Might look like all 20 are lit, but only one at any one time is lit, so it saves battery life..
[1:55] <ParkerR> SwK, Many people have
[1:55] <UnaClocker> SwK: I have a lapdock..
[1:55] <SwK> or I should say the B to A model conversion
[1:55] <UnaClocker> Yes, I did the B to A..
[1:56] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Also I see what you mean by the lapdock cuts power then resupplies it
[1:56] <SwK> did you swap out the USB connector yet?
[1:56] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Sad that it doesnt work like the USB port
[1:56] <ParkerR> SwK, Swap out?
[1:56] <UnaClocker> No, doesn't seem necessary.
[1:56] <UnaClocker> If anything, I'd desolder both, and hardwire the thing into my lapdock. ;)
[1:56] <SwK> I want to remove it completely
[1:57] <SwK> UnaClocker: GMTA there
[1:57] <UnaClocker> GMTA?
[1:57] <SwK> great minds...
[1:57] <SwK> thats exactly what I want to do
[1:57] <UnaClocker> heheh, ahh.. :)
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[1:57] <SwK> remove that connector and hardwire it to a remote spot
[1:58] <UnaClocker> My charlieplexed device.. shameless plug??? https://tindie.com/shops/UnaClocker/wearable-valentines-day-heart-shaped-pcb/
[1:58] <SwK> i'm considering just doing a (non)destructive removal of the RCA and sound jacks also
[1:58] <ParkerR> Haha
[1:58] <pronto> BLOW IT UP WITH TNT
[1:58] <UnaClocker> hehe, I removed the RCA jack from my first Pi avbout a week after I got it..
[1:59] <SwK> i have a specific end goal, and thos things get in the way
[1:59] <BigBadGhost> I dig those LEDs that you used UnaClocker
[1:59] <UnaClocker> BigBadGhost: Thanks??? They were a real bugger to solder on. ;)
[1:59] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Nice prgramming header spot :)
[1:59] <BigBadGhost> UnaClocker: I can imagine. I have trouble with smt stuff
[1:59] <ParkerR> *programming
[1:59] <UnaClocker> SwK: Yeah, and in my application, they're certainly not needed..
[2:00] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: Yeah, I just press the pins in at an angle while programming..
[2:00] <BigBadGhost> Always dig the ATTiny projects
[2:01] <SwK> UnaClocker: my application is a small VoIP hardphone that does stuff that 'off the shelf' commercial voip hardware (like ciscos and polycoms) dont do
[2:01] <SwK> http://youtu.be/wTF6b1tL61c i made a video lol
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[2:02] <SwK> I would like to remote the ethernet too, but I think for enclosed module I'll just get or fab a rubber dust plug for it
[2:02] <UnaClocker> Sweet. :)
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[2:03] <SwK> i've already got it running secure voice via FreeSWITCH??? (I'm a freeswitch developer so raspbian + freeswitch wasnt that big of a stretch lol)
[2:03] <UnaClocker> :) Cool
[2:03] <ParkerR> SwK, A Model A might be right up your alley
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[2:03] <ParkerR> After it is setup all you would need is the one USB for wifi
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[2:04] <UnaClocker> It's a shame the real model A only has 256mb RAM.. REALLY glad they didn't come with the 128mb that had originally been planned.
[2:04] <SwK> ParkerR: I want the ethernet
[2:04] <ParkerR> Ohh
[2:05] <ParkerR> I read "remote" as "remove"
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[2:05] <SwK> heh
[2:05] <SwK> ParkerR: my end goal is single device that can be both portable (wireless) and wired
[2:05] <pronto> beep
[2:06] <ParkerR> Boop
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[2:06] <SwK> NACK
[2:06] <ParkerR> PING
[2:06] <ParkerR> ACK
[2:07] <pgrace> Hi, anyone here have experience with BerryBoot? I run it and as a test set it to boot memtest but in the process it rewrites the whole disk and removes the partition table. Will the Raspberry Pi boot without a FAT32 filesystem to receive the initial bootcode.bin from?
[2:07] <ParkerR> pgrace, It doesnt erase the entire SD card (if not using a USB drive)
[2:08] <ParkerR> It still leaves a small FAT32 partiton for booting
[2:08] <pgrace> Well, unfortunately it does appear to do just that, there's no partition table on it.
[2:08] <ParkerR> Umm
[2:08] <ParkerR> That wouldnt make any sense
[2:08] <pgrace> I checked with fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 and it showed no partitions right before I hit exit.
[2:08] <ParkerR> *doesnt
[2:08] <pgrace> Is there a minimum SD card size it expects?
[2:08] <pgrace> This is a 512mb card.
[2:08] <ParkerR> pgrace, Have you actualy tried rebooting?
[2:09] <pgrace> Yes. It does not boot. Red light comes on, green light never blinks.
[2:09] <ParkerR> Hmm
[2:09] <pgrace> this is with berryboot-20121230, not sure if there's a newer version and I'm just not finding it.
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[2:10] <ParkerR> I used a USB drive myself
[2:10] <pgrace> I also tried that -- it still erased mmcblk0 for some reason.
[2:10] <BigBadGhost> UnaClocker: I haven't seen that tindie site, really cool stuff there
[2:10] <ParkerR> O.o
[2:11] <UnaClocker> Yeah, it's a place for DIY electronics makers to sell their stuff.. :)
[2:11] <ParkerR> pgrace, Then either the build you have is bad or there is something you arent/are doing to it
[2:11] <pgrace> I wonder if the SD card is funky
[2:11] <pgrace> need to locate a second one I guess
[2:11] <BigBadGhost> UnaClocker: I'd like to see more kits like those at MakerFaire
[2:12] * UnaClocker nods.
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[2:13] <BigBadGhost> Problem is, they charge vendors so much money for booths, It's near impossible for an indie maker to actually make any money there
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[2:17] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I had a booth at the Seattle Mini Maker Faire.. We decided against selling because of the fees.
[2:17] <UnaClocker> And man they watched us like hawks to see if we were selling, the whole time.
[2:18] <BigBadGhost> From what I hear, SF was doing the same thing. It's unfortunate
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[2:19] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I'm really not a fan of "Make" at all.. It's a business, they're in it to make money.
[2:19] <BigBadGhost> Hope the Pi guys make an appearance this year
[2:20] <UnaClocker> Yeah, that'd push me over the edge of wanting to go and actually going..
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[2:20] <UnaClocker> But they went to the NY one, they probably won't go to any others.
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[2:21] <BigBadGhost> That would be a bit expensive with airfare for them
[2:22] <BigBadGhost> Why they'd chose NY over SF is beyond me
[2:25] <UnaClocker> They weren't very popular around the time the SF one was going. It was right after the epic fail that was their launch, followed by months of backorders after saying that both, they wouldn't sell through any vendors, and that they wouldn't take pre-orders.. By the time the NY one came around, most of the long term Pi enthusiasts had at least one..
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[2:26] <UnaClocker> I know the Seattle MakerFaire was a month after the SF one, the first 10k had finally shipped, my Pi was on display because nobody had seen one in the wild yet.. heh..
[2:27] <pgrace> ParkerR: just wanted to loop back and let you know it appears to be a SD card problem. The one i used was a Kodak one out of an old camera (512mb) and it was misbehaving. However, I tried a (probably even older) PNY 128mb SD card and it worked as expected.
[2:27] <BigBadGhost> I could use another 2 or 3 :P I was an early adopter so I only have 256mb on mine. Maybe 3 weeks later, they started shipping with 512
[2:27] <pgrace> Go figure.
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[2:28] <ParkerR> pgrace, Nice
[2:29] <UnaClocker> BigBadGhost: Yeah, I've got 4 256mb ones, (one died) and 2 512mb ones..
[2:29] <UnaClocker> One of my 512mb ones is a UK made one with the blue audio jack.. :)
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[2:34] <BigBadGhost> brb
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[2:36] <ngc0202> Should the RPi autoconnect to the last wifi network it was on?
[2:36] <pronto> if you set it up to do so
[2:36] <ngc0202> I didn't see an option for that
[2:36] <UnaClocker> ngc0202: Definitely. Mine does.
[2:37] <ngc0202> Was there a setting mine missed?
[2:37] <ngc0202> Oh also I'm on Raspbian
[2:37] <ngc0202> setting I missed*
[2:37] <UnaClocker> I don't recall a setting. I just set it once, and never had to do it again.
[2:38] <ngc0202> Hmm
[2:38] <ngc0202> I wish I knew why I then didn't
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[2:43] <ngc0202> it*
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[2:57] <pll_mac> Anyone here using raspbmc ?
[2:58] <pll_mac> I'm trying to ssh to my Rpi, but it's not accepting the default username/password.
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[3:01] <pll_mac> I'm wondering if it's just easier to use raspbian and apt-get the xbmc packages.
[3:01] <mdszy> I've had lots of issues with Raspbmc
[3:01] <mdszy> I never could get it to connect to the internet.
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[3:03] <sraue> or give OpenELEC a try :-)
[3:03] <mdszy> openelec never worked either
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[3:04] <sraue> what was not working?
[3:04] <hybr1d8> I've used raspbmc and default login worked for me
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[3:04] <hybr1d8> how are you accessing the pi?
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[3:08] <pll_mac> Does anyone know if the default username/password on raspbmc is different than the normal raspbian image?
[3:09] <pll_mac> Or if there's a reason why the normal default username/password wouldn't work via ssh on raspbmc ?
[3:11] <hybr1d8> http://www.raspbmc.com/wiki/user/frequently-asked-questions/
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[3:11] <hybr1d8> default user =pi and password=raspberry
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[3:31] <UnaClocker> sudo apt-get update
[3:32] <UnaClocker> durrr, wrong window
[3:32] <BigBadGhost> forgot the /exec :P
[3:32] <IT_Sean> ...
[3:33] <IT_Sean> this is IRC, mate... not Terminal.
[3:33] <IT_Sean> :p
[3:33] <UnaClocker> ;)
[3:33] <UnaClocker> ircii, runs in a terminal...
[3:33] <BigBadGhost> I normally use Irssi, that's in a terminal too
[3:33] <UnaClocker> And there's another, but just saying the name of it would get me kickbanned. ;)
[3:33] <BigBadGhost> BX
[3:33] <UnaClocker> ;)
[3:34] <BigBadGhost> That's no longer around is it?
[3:34] <UnaClocker> Probably discontinued, yeah.. But I've been killing time in IRC since like '96..
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[3:35] <BigBadGhost> I only just came back after installing Mint 14
[3:35] <jcath> mirc? pirch?
[3:35] <BigBadGhost> I never liked mIRC
[3:35] <BigBadGhost> i was always a CLI kind of guy
[3:36] <UnaClocker> I loved mIRC.. I use Textual on the Mac nowadays.. It's really nice, but lacks some of the features mIRC had..
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[3:36] <Triffid_Hunter> try kvirc if you want a feature rich client
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[3:36] <Triffid_Hunter> it's a bit ugly by default but you can make it look like almost anything you want
[3:36] <UnaClocker> I use XChat on the Pi..
[3:36] <BigBadGhost> On one of your 8 Pis?
[3:37] <BigBadGhost> Showoff
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[3:37] <UnaClocker> hehehe.. On my Pi in my Lapdock (showing off).
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[3:38] <UnaClocker> ;)
[3:38] <BigBadGhost> I should give that a shot. I have an Atrix so I'd be tempted to try it out for it's intended use but Pi is far cooler than my phone
[3:39] <UnaClocker> Yeah, it'd be easy enough to use either one..
[3:39] <UnaClocker> I'm half tempted to get an Atrix for my dock.. Shame I don't have a phone company that uses Sim cards..
[3:39] <BigBadGhost> I want to do something portable with the Pi though. Like a small screen, maybe that wireless keypad/touchpad thing that everyone uses. Maybe get it up and running to show off
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[3:40] <BigBadGhost> Nothing like a Pi laptop or anything but something I could throw in the backpack to tinker around with during a lecture
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[3:48] <SpeedEvil> I use quasselcore on my pi
[3:48] <pronto> i use disco dance on my pi
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[3:48] <BigBadGhost> I disco dance WITH my Pi
[3:51] <pronto> http://raspberry.bagels.xxx/temp.png *sigh* i should really fix my script to ignore outliers like that
[3:52] <BigBadGhost> I dig the .xxx
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[3:53] <DooMMasteR> I am done for the day??? worked a lot on the RGB-LED array https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFCBGKpy5rM
[3:53] * pronto hands DooMMasteR a beer
[3:54] <BigBadGhost> That's slick, Doom!
[3:54] <DooMMasteR> pronto: Already had one??? one is enoug for today :P
[3:54] <pronto> two!
[3:54] <pronto> hundred
[3:55] <BigBadGhost> Would it be possible to have the chasing sequence, display alternating colors on every other LED?
[3:56] <BigBadGhost> like red, blue,red,blue...
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[4:16] <JakeSays> swart: the platform already has the stepper motors on it.
[4:20] <ngc0202> woo!
[4:20] <ngc0202> Found a 2GB SD Card
[4:21] * ngc0202 finally has two free USB Ports!
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[4:22] <BigBadGhost> ngc0202: Nice!
[4:22] <jcath> is it possible to connect a dvb-c tunner to the rasberrypi through the gpio connector?
[4:22] <BigBadGhost> ngc0202: I really need a hub for mine. I've bought so many usb hubs over the years and they've all died
[4:23] <ngc0202> Hehe, I need one for mine as well I think
[4:23] <ngc0202> Because I think I'll need a USB Stick on it anyway because after putting Raspbian on it
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[4:23] <ngc0202> I'm left with ~0.7 GB of space
[4:24] <ngc0202> Can't do all that much with that
[4:24] <ngc0202> But at least I get get wifi and mouse/keyboard to my pi at the same time!
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[4:26] <ngc0202> Why does the thing reboot when I plug in USB things?!
[4:27] <pronto> sounds like a power issue
[4:27] <ngc0202> Yeah after googling I realized that
[4:28] <BigBadGhost> Needs more amps! :)
[4:28] <ngc0202> I have a mouse and keyboard in one USB port
[4:28] <ngc0202> Very sudden drop I'd assume
[4:28] <thogue> yeah most likely.
[4:28] <Triffid_Hunter> charging the device's input capacitors
[4:28] <Triffid_Hunter> I plan to add some 10u ceramics to the usb power pins on my pi if it becomes problematic, that should hold the volts up
[4:29] <Triffid_Hunter> the ESR on those things is astonishingly low
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[4:34] <ngc0202> Hmm
[4:34] <ngc0202> so my mouse/keyboard fell out of the USB port
[4:35] <ngc0202> and so, trying not to have it reboot, I unplugged the mouse/keyboard and just put the USB to dual PS/2 connector in and that alone killed it
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[4:40] <BigBadGhost> May have something to do how ps/2 connection works
[4:40] <BigBadGhost> it's constantly "pinging" the connection to check it's state
[4:41] <BigBadGhost> Which is why it was so easy to fry a PS/2 port on a computer when you tried to unplug it while it was on
[4:41] <ngc0202> oh ok
[4:42] <BigBadGhost> Not saying that is why but that's what I'd think
[4:42] <SpeedEvil> the connector is not unplug safe
[4:42] <SpeedEvil> ground is not guaranteed to break last
[4:42] <BigBadGhost> The PS/2 to USB?
[4:43] <SpeedEvil> this can do bad things. the PS/2 connector
[4:43] <BigBadGhost> Makes sense
[4:43] <SpeedEvil> it is usually OK
[4:43] <BigBadGhost> Yeah, I've seen far too many fried PS/2 ports over the years
[4:45] <Triffid_Hunter> I plugged PS/2 devices almost daily, never had a fried port
[4:45] <BigBadGhost> Wow
[4:46] <Triffid_Hunter> had several machines that wouldn't recognise the plugged device, but poke of kernel modules or reboot and all was well
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[4:49] <raspberrypoo> http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/89046/bh-photo-video-2pack-16gb-sony-sdhc-class-10-memory-cards-sf16nxtqm 2 16gb sd cards for $15
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[4:51] <UnaClocker> heh.. Adium.. Can't imagine that makes a good IRC client..
[4:51] <BigBadGhost> raspberrypoo: Nice find
[4:53] <BigBadGhost> UnaClocker: I finally got my Irssi setup to connect to multiple servers so I can be on spotchat in the linuxmint channel and freenode for this one
[4:53] <UnaClocker> :) Cool
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[4:59] <UnaClocker> heh, 38 days uptime on one of my RaspBMC machines.. :)
[4:59] <ParkerR> :D
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[4:59] <ParkerR> Keboard mouse hun now working on my lapdock
[4:59] <UnaClocker> Yay
[5:00] <ParkerR> *hub
[5:00] <UnaClocker> :)
[5:00] <ParkerR> Keyboard is a little weird
[5:00] <UnaClocker> raspi-config to set it up..
[5:00] <ngc0202> I'm using my HDTV as a monitor, but for some reason the resolution is _terrible_. How do I fix that?
[5:00] <UnaClocker> You got a US or UK one?
[5:00] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, No I just mean to type on
[5:00] <UnaClocker> Ahh, seems the same as my MacBook Air, so I'm used to that..
[5:01] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, And I have the UK layout. Gonna leave US set because muscle memory will take care of the labels not marching the buttons
[5:01] <ParkerR> *matching
[5:02] <UnaClocker> Mmm, yeah, I've got UK, and I left it set to UK.. Easy enough to find the relocated keys when they're labeled.. :)
[5:02] <ParkerR> :P
[5:02] <ParkerR> My brain will have a much better time using shift 2 for @ than shift '
[5:02] <UnaClocker> I should run apt-get update/upgrade on my RaspBMC machines more often.. One of them has been going for over an hour now.
[5:03] <UnaClocker> Yeah.. Where ya gunna find ~?
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[5:04] <ParkerR> |||||\p:P
[5:04] <ParkerR> * :P
[5:05] <UnaClocker> :) Yeah, I don't see the pipe | on there anywhere..
[5:05] <UnaClocker> err, there it is.
[5:05] <UnaClocker> above the backslash..
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[5:16] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, I feel the UK keyboard makes up for the fact that my Pi was made in China XD
[5:16] <UnaClocker> ;)
[5:16] <UnaClocker> My Pi says it was made in the UK, after I peeled off ghe sticker.. heh
[5:16] <ParkerR> Yep :)
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[5:17] <ParkerR> Woot UK layout setup
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[5:17] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, No raspi-config so I dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration :P
[5:17] <UnaClocker> Ahh, weird.
[5:18] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, I did a netinstall a while back
[5:18] <ParkerR> Never did the base image
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[5:18] <ParkerR> I think thats why
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[5:19] <UnaClocker> Ahh
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[5:20] <ParkerR> Always loved netinstalls
[5:21] <ParkerR> Thats the only way I did debian on my laptop
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[5:29] <ParkerR> D: he left
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[5:34] <BigBadGhost> So many Pi cases to chose from :/
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[5:34] <pronto> i got the r2d2 one
[5:35] <BigBadGhost> oh?!
[5:35] <pronto> thats can be moved via the pi itself
[5:35] <pronto> yeah, it's pretty neat
[5:35] <ParkerR> So http://i.minus.com/iQXy1aNQLHMgO.JPG
[5:37] <BigBadGhost> pronto: Was r2 an actual case?
[5:37] <BigBadGhost> I didn't see it anywhere
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[5:52] <elek> why cant i `su` with the default password raspberry? is it different for root?
[5:53] <elek> this is for raspbian
[5:53] <Triffid_Hunter> elek: most likely no root password is set, use sudo for that
[5:53] <hybr1d8> don't use 'su' - root has no password setup
[5:53] <ParkerR> elek, You have to set the root password
[5:53] <ParkerR> sudo passwd
[5:53] <hybr1d8> use 'sudo -s' instead
[5:53] <elek> ah, sudo su
[5:53] <elek> thanks
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[5:58] <raspberrypoo> blah
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[6:27] <JakeSays> TomWij: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
[6:28] <JakeSays> bah
[6:28] <JakeSays> stupid fingers
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[6:47] <ParkerR> One more use for the lapdock. Externak monitor http://i.minus.com/ibyCHRcmFeBclf.JPG
[6:47] <ParkerR> *External
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[7:56] <krosis> or you can sudo su :)
[7:56] * krosis scrolls down
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[8:47] <wlashell> anyone around using pygame on their raspberry pi? I am having some odd permission errors when running under a non-root user. user account was added to all the various obvious groups with no success.
[8:47] <Triffid_Hunter> wlashell: strace will help
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[8:55] <mdik> wlashell: obvious in what sense?
[8:56] <mdik> like: adm:x:4:pi // dialout:x:20:pi // cdrom:x:24:pi // sudo:x:27:pi // audio:x:29:pi // video:x:44:pi // plugdev:x:46:pi // games:x:60:pi // users:x:100:pi // pi:x:1000: // netdev:x:105:pi // input:x:999:pi // indiecity:x:1001:pi ?
[8:56] <wlashell> yeap
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[8:56] <mdik> :(
[8:56] <wlashell> (long time linux user, so I had assumed that this would just work)
[8:57] <wlashell> i can play video on this thing.... I just can't seem to get pygame to initialize the display
[8:59] <wlashell> Here is a snippet of the strace: http://dpaste.org/wMaFn/
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[9:05] <linuxthefish> what voltages can the regulator on the RPi manage?
[9:08] <ryanteck> Not sure about the regulation part but I know that if you put more than 5v into it the network chip runs at 5v direct off it I think
[9:08] <ryanteck> the regulator only regulates 3v3 (I think)
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[9:19] <nopslide> linuxthefish: here's the datasheet on the SE8117 voltage regulator https://dl.dropbox.com/u/170310/SE8117T33.pdf
[9:21] <ryanteck> Only thing I can see is the USB Chip as (Not fully sure) but I don't think thats on a regulator nor the USB ports
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[9:31] <mdik> am i seeing this right, that one might put up to 9 volts on the rpi?
[9:31] <tapout> what's the best way to play sound from a *.wav file? is mplayer the best ?
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[9:32] <ChampS666> good morning everyone
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[9:33] <mdik> tapout: they're all good. mplayer, vlc, etc.
[9:34] <ChampS666> I want to install the fedora remix on my 32GB Samsung SD Card
[9:34] <Triffid_Hunter> tapout: I've had mplayer running for a couple of weeks solid on a pi here, playing music across the network
[9:34] <rm> tapout, aplay is perhaps the simplest
[9:34] <rm> if you only need to play .wav files
[9:34] <ChampS666> so I picked up the Installer on Win7 with right click and "run as administrator", chose my image
[9:35] <ChampS666> and then I wanted to pick a device but there is still no device to select
[9:35] <ChampS666> anyone a idea why?
[9:36] <tapout> how would you 'repeat' the same wav over and over with aplay? there isn't a --repeat
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[9:39] <Joeboy> while [ 1 ]; do aplay myfile.wav; done
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[9:40] <tapout> i just wrote a wrapper in bash
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[9:45] <rm> heh, I'd use "while true;" which has more overhead...
[9:46] <tapout> i want to launch /home/pi/music.sh on each startup without having to login, which file would i put this in?
[9:46] <tapout> /etc/rc.d/somewhere?
[9:47] <tapout> hrm, rc.local
[9:47] <rm> yep
[9:48] <tapout> wow it worked!
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[9:53] <mjr> rm, why does it have more overhead
[9:53] <mjr> I mean, bash does have internal true
[9:53] <rm> 'true' is an actual program too
[9:53] <rm> but ok
[9:54] <rm> btw it will be difficult to terminate the playback if launched as above (and from rc.local)
[9:55] <rm> so a better way would be
[9:55] <rm> while aplay myfile.wav; do true; done
[9:55] <rm> then just "skill aplay" to stop
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[9:56] <Chetic> how can I find out how gcc pads a struct when compiling on the pi?
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[9:59] <gordonDrogon> read the internal documenation.
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[9:59] <gordonDrogon> it's probably padded on a word boundary though.
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[9:59] <linuxstb> Chetic: Or just create an instance, then print out the locations of each member.
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> You could try creating a struct with 2 ints either side then compare the addresses - might work unless they get re-ordered.
[10:00] <Chetic> ah yeah I'll print the locations
[10:00] <linuxstb> I would also suspect that on ARM gcc would align each member to 4 bytes.
[10:01] <Chetic> there's no way to universally do no padding on a struct, is there?
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> byte & 16-bit word addressing seems efficient though, so it may be clever if you compile optimised for space...
[10:01] <linuxstb> I think there's a gcc extension for it, something like "packed"
[10:02] <Chetic> I want it to not be compiler-specific
[10:02] <Chetic> but also space optimized
[10:02] <Chetic> which I guess isn't doable
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[10:02] <linuxstb> I suspect you would need to setup macros for each compiler you wanted to support.
[10:03] <Chetic> yeah I'll just go ahead and leave that up to the lib user then :p
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[10:04] <Joeboy> Presumably if you support eg. gcc, it'll still work elsewhere, just not so efficiently
[10:04] <Joeboy> So it's not a disaster
[10:05] <linuxstb> Chetic: An easy thing is to order your struct members sensibly - e.g. don't put a char between two ints.
[10:05] <Chetic> it's unfortunately too late for that
[10:05] <Chetic> but can it be done in a universal way?
[10:06] <linuxstb> Why? If you change the struct by adding "packed", you break any compatibility.
[10:06] <Chetic> even if you do put them sensibly?
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[10:06] <linuxstb> If you for example do int, int, char, char, char I would hope that no compile would add any padding (apart from one byte at the end)
[10:07] <linuxstb> ^no compiler
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[10:07] <Xark> Chetic: If you order the struct elements to avoid excessive padding (basically assume alignment needs to match sizeof) you are largely immune to padding (and you don't hurt performance - you help it, unlike brute force "packed" options).
[10:07] <linuxstb> Chetic: Are you just targeting ARM, or do you need to consider all architectures?
[10:08] <Chetic> want to target all architectures
[10:08] <linuxstb> Why do you say it's too late to change the order?
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[10:10] <Chetic> because it's part of a protocol
[10:10] <Chetic> and it wouldn't be worth the trouble
[10:11] <Chetic> the struct currently looks like this: pointer, short, unsigned char, unsigned short, enum, unsigned char*
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[10:12] <linuxstb> OK, so the ideal order would be something like: pointer, unsigned char*, short, unsigned short, unsigned char, enum
[10:12] <linuxstb> This is a network protocol?
[10:12] <Chetic> actually by unsigned char* I meant unsigned char[configurable_define]
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[10:13] <linuxstb> Ah, so it's X number of chars at the end?
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[10:13] <Chetic> yeah
[10:13] <Chetic> my bad
[10:13] <linuxstb> But this is a network protocol?
[10:13] <Chetic> I'm not sure what constitutes a network protocol
[10:13] <Chetic> it's a HDLC-based protocol for testing embedded systems
[10:14] <Chetic> automatic regression testing, continuous integration etc etc
[10:14] <Chetic> it's used over uart, spi, i2c & ethernet, so yeah, maybe?
[10:15] <linuxstb> I guess by "network" I mean from one "computer" to another.
[10:15] <Chetic> then yes
[10:15] <Chetic> why?
[10:15] <linuxstb> In which case you probably also need to care about endianness. I wouldn't use a struct for this, but would rather build the packet in memory directly.
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[10:16] <linuxstb> That way, you ensure it's 100% portable across all compilers, architectures etc
[10:17] <Chetic> what do you mean by "build the packet in memory directly"?
[10:17] <linuxstb> Copy the elements from the struct into an unsigned char array, taking care of endianness conversion (if needed) and packing the data.
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[10:17] <Aartsie> hi all
[10:18] <Aartsie> is the RPI serving FLAC ?
[10:18] <krosis> ohi
[10:18] <krosis> it could
[10:18] <linuxstb> Chetic: So your protocol needs to define an endianness for the values.
[10:18] <Aartsie> krosis: so it depends on the software ?
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[10:19] <linuxstb> Chetic: It's probably not the most efficient way to do things, but it's simple and reliable.
[10:19] <krosis> Aartsie: sure? what kind of "serving" do you mean?
[10:19] <Aartsie> krosis: if it support it :)
[10:19] <krosis> Aartsie: it's powerful enough to decode FLAC, and it's powerful enough to stream < 1mbit..
[10:19] <Aartsie> oke nice :)
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[10:20] <gordonjcp> Chetic: how quickly do you need to generate packets?
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[10:24] <linuxstb> Aartsie: FLAC is very easy to decode (easier than MP3), unless you're talking about multi-channel, 24-bit/192KHz streams...
[10:25] <Aartsie> linuxstb: it is for 7.1 HD audio
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[10:26] <Chetic> gordonjcp: damn quickly I'd say
[10:26] <linuxstb> Aartsie: That's just madness ;) You may struggle a little with that - only way is to know is to test.
[10:26] <Chetic> since it's meant to be a general solution for most embedded systems, and non-invasive
[10:26] <Chetic> as much as possible
[10:26] <gordonjcp> Chetic: well, what sort of connection are you using to the host machine?
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> there are some good & fast functions for swapping endianness though.
[10:27] <Chetic> linuxstb: thanks for the tip about endianness, I'll think about that
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[10:27] <Chetic> gordonjcp: spi, i2c, ethernet and uart
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> htole32() and htobe32(), etc.
[10:27] <gordonjcp> okay so out of that, the fastest is going to be ethernet
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[10:28] <gordonjcp> Chetic: swapping byte order is probably the least of your concerns, to be honest
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> they're part of the tcp networking code, so very optimised. may not be present on all platforms though.
[10:28] <gordonjcp> just let the network stack worry about that
[10:28] <gordonjcp> gordonDrogon: exactly
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> I had to use one recently on some SPI code where the remote device needed 16-bit data the wrong way round from the Pi.
[10:29] <Chetic> I'll just worry about alignment for now
[10:29] <gordonjcp> Chetic: structs and unions can let you do fun stuff
[10:30] <Chetic> this I know
[10:30] <gordonjcp> a while back I needed to split an array of 32-bit values into two arrays of 16-bit values
[10:30] <gordonjcp> so what I did was made a union of a uint32 and two uint16s across it
[10:31] <Chetic> an mcu I worked with last year let me do something like GPIO->Port_A->Pin_2 = 1; thanks to structs and unions
[10:31] <Chetic> i thought it was quite intuitive
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[11:00] <aDro> I am confused. Has the Model A not been released for retail perchase?
[11:00] <ryanteck> Yeh it has
[11:01] <aDro> So a Rev 2 Model A is coming in 2013?
[11:01] <aDro> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3224
[11:02] <ryanteck> http://uk.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-moda-256m/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-a-256mb/dp/2254699
[11:02] <ryanteck> Or
[11:02] <ryanteck> http://cpc.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-moda-256m/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-a-256mb/dp/SC12879?Ntt=SC12879&CMP=NLem2
[11:03] <ryanteck> CPC are doing free PNP til friday
[11:03] <ryanteck> making it ??189in total
[11:03] <ryanteck> ??19*
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[11:07] <nid0> why would there be a rev 2 model a?
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[11:08] <ryanteck> Not sure
[11:08] <ryanteck> They already doubled the memory in it
[11:08] <ryanteck> and all of the rev2 b changes are already in it
[11:09] <aDro> Wait so Model A and model B are both 256?
[11:09] <aDro> wait no
[11:09] <ryanteck> No
[11:09] <aDro> Model A is 256MB and Model B is 512MB
[11:09] <ryanteck> Model B is 512MB
[11:09] <ryanteck> Model A is 256
[11:10] <ryanteck> Originally it was Model A = 128, B = 256
[11:10] <aDro> They doubled the memory of both a while back.
[11:10] <aDro> yeah
[11:10] <ryanteck> Then on launch for B they doubled model a
[11:10] <aDro> Nice.
[11:10] <ryanteck> and then about septemberish they doubled the B
[11:10] <aDro> Model A does not come with the camera.
[11:10] <aDro> ?
[11:10] <mjr> neither comes with camera
[11:10] <ryanteck> Neither do
[11:10] <aDro> Thought so
[11:10] <ryanteck> the camera is coming out soon
[11:10] <mjr> both come with the interface needed to plug it in
[11:10] <aDro> Any idea of the price?
[11:11] <ryanteck> Estimated about the same
[11:11] <aDro> same, as in?
[11:11] <ryanteck> ??25 ish
[11:11] <ryanteck> I think
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[11:11] <aDro> Makes Sense.
[11:12] <ryanteck> Possibly a bit less
[11:12] <aDro> This is going to be better than a USB Camera?
[11:12] <mjr> yes
[11:12] <ryanteck> Better than most yes
[11:12] <ryanteck> its 5MPixels
[11:12] <aDro> That's a great price.
[11:12] <mjr> it'll have a faster interface to the SoC
[11:12] <ryanteck> Most webcams are about 1 or 2M Pixels
[11:12] <aDro> yeah, incredible!
[11:12] <ryanteck> and also Better power usage I think
[11:13] <mjr> and it can apparently be fed directly to the accelerated video encoder
[11:13] <aDro> All the old Raspberry Cases will have to be redesigned.
[11:13] <ryanteck> I don't think I'm going to get the camera
[11:13] <aDro> ryanteck: How many Pis do you have?
[11:13] <ryanteck> But once they release the screen I think I will get that
[11:14] <ryanteck> aDro I have 2 Model B rev 1 and 1 Rev 2 512MB
[11:15] <aDro> I only have 1.
[11:15] <aDro> Model B Rev 2
[11:15] <ryanteck> I remember waking up about a year ago at 6am
[11:15] <ryanteck> about 2 hours later I reserved one
[11:15] <ryanteck> and finished order at 5PM
[11:16] <aDro> I ordered mine Dec 24th 2012
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[11:16] <aDro> It came to my apartment on the 27th
[11:16] <aDro> I didn't get home until January 2nd.
[11:16] <nid0> 29th feb I ordered mine
[11:16] <ryanteck> ^^
[11:16] <nid0> got em at like the end of april
[11:16] <ryanteck> ^^
[11:17] <aDro> When I got home and picked it up, the whole week felt like Christmas! More than Christmas did that year.
[11:17] <gordonjcp> oh hey
[11:17] <gordonjcp> I solved my broken socket problem
[11:17] <aDro> If I had a little extra money (poor student) I would buy another and a GPIO kit
[11:17] <gordonjcp> with my raspi in a pibow case, there's about a 1.5mm gap between the top of the card and the case
[11:18] <aDro> The Raspberry Pi is making me very comfortable with the physical wiring of computers more than just programming.
[11:18] <gordonjcp> I have some double-sided sticky foam strips, which are about 1.7mm thick
[11:19] <gordonjcp> with the wax paper protective layer peeled off one side and stuck to the inside of the case it provides a slight interference fit for the card
[11:19] <nid0> my pis rattle a bit in my cases :(
[11:19] <gordonjcp> the wax paper strip on the socket side stops the card getting stuck
[11:19] <gordonjcp> tbh even if my socket wasn't damaged I'd probably do the sticky pad trick
[11:21] <aDro> gordonjcp: What Socket is broken?
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[11:22] <gordonjcp> aDro: the SD card socket
[11:23] <gordonjcp> aDro: originally I was just going to replace it
[11:23] <aDro> Good with the Soldering Iron?
[11:23] <gordonjcp> aDro: moderately
[11:24] <gordonjcp> tbh I'm not sure about doing the SD card slot
[11:24] <gordonjcp> I don't think I've got a big enough nozzle for my welding torch
[11:24] <gordonjcp> those pins are huge
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[11:28] <gordonjcp> aDro: I work on radio equipment where in the newer stuff all the passives are grain-of-sugar at the largest
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[11:29] <gordonjcp> http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/capacitor.jpg <- stock fault on one particular Kenwood, that wee ceramic capacitor goes leaky and the microphone stops working
[11:29] <gordonjcp> that's a standard 15mm scalpel...
[11:34] <linuxthefish> can i power my RPi from the 5v Arduino output pin?
[11:34] <ryanteck> I beleive so
[11:34] <linuxthefish> 800mA from the arduino regulator
[11:34] <linuxthefish> also running a webcam and a Wifi usb s
[11:34] <linuxthefish> tthing*
[11:35] <ryanteck> Possibly, the only thing is that you may find it crashes out
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[11:35] <linuxthefish> i'm only using the arduino as a power supply
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[11:37] <gordonjcp> linuxthefish: the Arduino voltage regulator can only provide a couple of hundred mA
[11:37] <gordonjcp> it will get very hot
[11:38] <linuxthefish> oh...
[11:38] <linuxthefish> i'll try and find a 5v regulator from some other project]
[11:38] <gordonjcp> the best thing is a good-quality mobile phone charger, or similar
[11:38] <gordonjcp> linuxthefish: what are you trying to do?
[11:38] <linuxthefish> looking for a quick method of powering my pi from a few batterys
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[11:39] <ryanteck> I just ran 4X AA Batterys (Rechargables)
[11:40] <ryanteck> 1.2*4 = 4.8V
[11:40] <ryanteck> Was enough to power the pi and Wi-Fi for about an hour or two
[11:40] <gordonjcp> yeah
[11:40] <gordonjcp> linuxthefish: bear in mind that any "simple" regulator like the 7805 used in the Arduino or that you find in other linear regulators will need at least 7-8V input
[11:41] <Jck_true> linuxthefish: What kind of battery? 12V car batteries?
[11:41] <linuxthefish> any type i can find :p
[11:41] <Triffid_Hunter> linuxthefish: get a car phone charger, feed it 12v
[11:42] <Triffid_Hunter> linuxthefish: hint: 3S R/C batteries give pretty close to 12v
[11:42] <gordonjcp> good choice
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[11:42] <Jck_true> linuxthefish: You can get one of thoose USB power packs - By far the easiest to setup
[11:43] <Aartsie> i use the omxplayer on the raspberry pi but which codecs does it support, could't find it on their site
[11:43] <Jck_true> linuxthefish: http://dx.com/p/universal-use-2300mah-emergency-mobile-power-rechargeable-battery-pack-black-152593?Utm_rid=58973692
[11:44] <linuxthefish> perfect, thanks
[11:44] <Jck_true> linuxthefish: Poweres my pi for 1-1? hours :)
[11:45] <Jck_true> linuxthefish: Alternatively you can buy this and feed it whatever battery you got http://dx.com/p/mini-dc-dc-voltage-stabilizer-regulator-module-red-126106?Utm_rid=58973692
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[12:01] <mdik> can I use pm-utils (especially pm-suspend) on the pi? and if i suspend, how do i resume?
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[12:04] <gordonDrogon> hardly worth suspending a 3 watt device ...
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> however I don't think there is any support for that anyway.
[12:05] <mdik> gordonDrogon: the use-case i was thinking about was using the pi for sensor-measurements in an environment without powersupply and extending the battery lifetime by pm-suspend
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> mdik, use an arduino...
[12:06] <mdik> gordonDrogon: if you want to write your data to sd card an arduino becomes more expensive ??? and it is still harder to set up (at least for me)
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> from what I gether, the SoC is really designed fo a stop top box type scenario, so lacks the power handling stuff that e.g. a mobile phone SoC might have...
[12:07] <Triffid_Hunter> mdik: I'd use suspend to disk for stuff like that
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[12:07] <Triffid_Hunter> doesn't need any hardware support, only downside is the wake-up time is at least several seconds
[12:07] <ryanteck> I have to say I agree with you mdik on the price part
[12:07] <raspberrynewbie> i found out something yesterday, that could be usefol for some people maybe: as i connected my raspberry to my tv monitor the screen from the raspberry was shown squiggly and this morning i found out why: if the scart cable is connected and running it seems to interfere with the hdmi cable, i dont know if it is only on my tvmodel but wanted to mention it if someone should experience the same problem
[12:07] <mdik> ok
[12:08] <ryanteck> It costs like ??20 for an SD Card adaptor
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[12:08] <ryanteck> :(
[12:09] <linuxthefish> what does "Cannot find a proper format for codec_id 0, pix_fmt -1." mean in FFMpeg?
[12:09] <linuxthefish> i'm trying to stream my usb webcam using http://sirlagz.net/2012/08/04/how-to-stream-a-webcam-from-the-raspberry-pi/
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[12:11] <gordonDrogon> price vs. effort to implement power saving on the pi...
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> arduino is low power out of the box - designed for long-term battery use.
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> and there are solutions to storage other than SD card - SPI flash memories for example.
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> and unless you're going bare bones you still have the whole of linux to wory about.
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> I've been giving it all some thought myself recently, althoug power isn't a concenr for this project, but it would need to have Linuxy devices scatters about the country - and they absolutely must "just work"...
[12:13] <Triffid_Hunter> if you want low power, see if msp430 is up to the task. those things have insanely low consumption in deep sleep
[12:13] <rm> ryanteck, Arduino SD adapter $3.20 http://dx.com/p/sd-card-module-slot-socket-reader-for-arduino-arm-mcu-133709
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> I don't think there's an easy solution, alas.
[12:14] <ryanteck> I prefer the Pi anyway
[12:14] <ryanteck> lot easier to write and manage files
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> great if the Pi is next to you - what if it's 1000 miles away and it fails ...
[12:15] <ryanteck> What about model a?
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> what if you have 1000 of them scatteres all over the UK and the failure rate is 1 a day ...
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> sadly that's the sort of thing I have to consider for this project )-:
[12:16] <mdik> yes. although, the linux part, to me it is more support and relief than worry (;
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> for a hobby project you might well get away with it though...
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> Go for a model A. Big big battery and a big solar panel...
[12:17] <ryanteck> you could possibly use a heat to power thing aswell if it would work
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> need a lot of heat!!!
[12:17] <mdik> gordonDrogon: but sounds like a nice project.
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> steam engine :)
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> you can probably ge the model A down less if you replace the 3.3v regulator too - I've seen projects doing that.
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> you could use the GPIO to power down external circuits - but most sensors are very low-power anyway.
[12:18] <mdik> ryanteck: you mean this powerelement they use in these stoves (whose name i forgot...)
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> Peltier for elextricity, or stirling engines for movement.
[12:19] <ryanteck> not fully sure xD
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[12:20] <mdik> http://biolitestove.com/ imho it's hipsterware, but still not fully uninteresting
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[12:37] <gordonDrogon> a-ha.. that's pretty nifty.
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> that stove design has been about for donkeys years - used to make them out of tins, but bolting on a phone charger is neat :)
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[13:12] <gordonDrogon> Hm. my bulb's just blown.
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> that's not fair.
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[13:14] <gordonDrogon> I guess it didn't like beingon for 3 days.
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/bulb.jpg is no more.
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> the LEds are still going though, but hey ho, that's modern technology for you!
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[13:20] <Armand> Stick with LEDs, ehh.. :)
[13:20] <frikinz> Does anyone know how to capture one frame from a webcam stream? Under linux. My mplayer fu is not so good
[13:21] <Kooothor> frikinz: improve your mplayer fu I guess..
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[13:23] <frikinz> ...
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[13:27] <Jck_true> frikinz: mplayer -vo png -frames 1 tv://
[13:28] <Jck_true> frikinz: replace tv:// with your device path
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[13:29] <frikinz> its an http stream
[13:29] <frikinz> I managed with vlc but I'd like to use mplayer
[13:30] <Jck_true> frikinz: mplayer -vo png -frames 1 http://mystream.com/
[13:30] <Jck_true> I don't know - Suppose it depends on the format
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[13:30] <frikinz> doesn't work, filling cache and never stops and record nothing
[13:30] <frikinz> lately I've seen mplayer failing quite a lot.
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[13:31] <frikinz> cvlc http://mystream --video-filter=scene --vout=dummy --scene-ratio=1 --scene-path=. vlc://quit --rate=1 --start-time=1 --stop-time=3
[13:31] <frikinz> doesn't stop though
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[13:54] <raspberrynewbie> if i want to use a package manager with a gui on my raspbian, are there alternatives for synaptic?
[13:55] <Jck_true> raspberrynewbie: Well - The pistore?
[13:55] <Jck_true> raspberrynewbie: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html
[13:56] <raspberrynewbie> oh didnt see that until now thank you Jck_true
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> dselect is an older alternative - aptitude slightly newer...
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> neither are GUI though - text based.
[13:57] <raspberrynewbie> ok i have a slight problem with synaptic so i am looking for an alternative as i want to install xbmc but want to save a bit time doing so
[13:58] <Jck_true> apt-get install :)
[13:58] <raspberrynewbie> um
[13:59] <raspberrynewbie> really?
[13:59] <raspberrynewbie> i found this
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[13:59] <raspberrynewbie> http://www.edv-grauzone.de/raspberry-pi-als-multimedia-center/ its german but the commands i would have to enter are the same
[14:00] <Jck_true> raspberrynewbie: When it comes to XBMC - I would suggest you use one of the premade systems :)
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[14:00] <Jck_true> Raspbmc - Xbian - OpenElec
[14:00] <Triffid_Hunter> anyone know a remote that works with rpi and xbmc?
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[14:01] <raspberrynewbie> @ Jck_true so i should use apt-get then and sudo apt-get install xbmc should do it i guess?
[14:01] <Jck_true> Triffid_Hunter: http://www.raspbmc.com/wiki/user/configuring-remotes/
[14:02] <Triffid_Hunter> lovely, thanks
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[14:03] <Jck_true> Triffid_Hunter: MCE remotes seems to be pretty widely accepted :)
[14:05] <raspberrynewbie> Jck_true, one more quick question:i should add the repository first and then apt-get install right?
[14:06] <Jck_true> raspberrynewbie: Yeah - Add the repository - then run "apt-get update"
[14:06] <Jck_true> And i suggest you do an "apt-get upgrade" before aswell
[14:06] <raspberrynewbie> ok
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[14:06] <raspberrynewbie> another question whats the difference between get update and get upgrade
[14:08] <raspberrynewbie> ah ok found it
[14:08] <nid0> update updates its local info on files
[14:08] <nid0> upgrade actually upgrades packages
[14:08] <raspberrynewbie> and ugrapde upgrades existing files?
[14:09] <raspberrynewbie> oh so update updates only the info and upgrade the actual package then
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[14:10] <Dyskette> raspberrynewbie: yeah
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[14:10] <Dyskette> raspberrynewbie: update is the package index, upgrade actually reintalls newer versions (if they exist) of installed packagesd
[14:11] <Dyskette> *update refreshes the package index
[14:11] <raspberrynewbie> so only update is pretty useless over a long time
[14:11] <Jck_true> Anybody know of a software package for sending SMS/TXT message on a USB 3G modem?
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[14:11] <Jck_true> raspberrynewbie: Yeah - And upgrade is pretty useless without an update first :)
[14:11] <raspberrynewbie> true
[14:11] <Jck_true> I really don't wanna write all the AT commando handling from scratch
[14:12] <Dyskette> raspberrynewbie: doing just update won't do anything other than update the package index - so you'll have a recent list of what versions of packages are available, but all your installed packages will still be whatever version they were when they were installed
[14:12] <raspberrynewbie> so could i shorten it by doing update && upgrade or do they have to be separated
[14:12] <Triffid_Hunter> Jck_true: apt-cache search gsm perhaps?
[14:12] <Triffid_Hunter> or sms?
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[14:16] <Dyskette> raspberrynewbie: you'd have to do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" I think...
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[14:16] <Jck_true> Triffid_Hunter: Yeah I did - Just didn't find much usefull in towards for running generic AT commands - Mostly seems to be target towards specific hardware
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[14:17] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, look for smstools.
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[14:17] <Grievre> Ah phooey, I think I just blew two of the GPIO pins on my pi
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, cool. what did you do?
[14:18] <Grievre> well to access the second i2c bus I removed the on-board pullup resistors because it made the pad bigger to solder a wire to
[14:18] <Grievre> so I was like "well okay I'll just add my own pullups"
[14:18] <Grievre> neglected to remember to pull up to 3.3V instead of 5
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[14:19] <Holden> if you only pulled up to 5V I don't think you have damaged them... the resistor will have limited the current
[14:20] <Perkele> are there any plans to bring mplayer with hardware acc to the pi? omxplayer is lacking a lot of features
[14:21] <Perkele> or should i not hold my breath?
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[14:22] <raspberrynewbie> thanks for the informations on update& upgrade
[14:23] <Triffid_Hunter> Perkele: that would be awesome, I vote for that
[14:23] <raspberrynewbie> do i have to reboot everytime i do an update/upgrade? would be better i think but its not mandatory?
[14:23] <Holden> Perkele, I have not read anything about that on the various mplayer's mailing lists... but I believe they prefer that new decoders gets integrated in ffmpeg, so mplayer and other applications can use them
[14:23] <Perkele> raspberrynewbie: no, only when the kernel is updated. even then it's not mandatory
[14:24] <raspberrynewbie> because it will automatically reboot if i shut it down and restart it
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[14:24] <Dyskette> raspberrynewbie: you only really need to reboot for firmware and kernel upgrades
[14:25] <chickens> or if you can figure out a way to do something so stupid the thing reboots itself
[14:25] * chickens coughs
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[14:25] <Grievre> Holden: It was a pretty strong pullup
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[14:26] <Holden> Grievre, in the order of 1K?
[14:26] <Grievre> yeah about
[14:26] <Grievre> oh hey I guess it still works
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[14:27] <Holden> Grievre, well 1K, worst case on 5V is only 5mA, not really a strong current
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> why do you need the 2nd I2C bus?
[14:27] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: Oh great this conversation again
[14:27] <Grievre> because I'm maxing out the bandwidth of one bus and I want more
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> that answer is good enough for me.
[14:28] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: I was actually kind of hopeless because it was looking like the bus was way too unreliable at 400kHz but adding a level shifter made it work
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[14:29] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, how many devices?
[14:30] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: 18 in total
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[14:31] <Grievre> and it runs board to board, total bus length probably like 30-50 feet
[14:31] <raspberrynewbie> i'm getting the hang of linux again
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> wow. that's somewhat impressive :)
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[14:32] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: I finally got my hands on a scope and scoped it, the i2c waveform looks almost like a sawtooth
[14:32] <Triffid_Hunter> yup that's what it looks like maxed
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, doesn't surprise me at that length. there will be a lot of capacitange on the wires.
[14:33] <Triffid_Hunter> Grievre: time to start looking at rs485 or similar, maybe even ethernet
[14:34] <Grievre> Triffid_Hunter: already looked at
[14:34] <Grievre> this will do just fine :)
[14:34] <Grievre> but for future projects, definitely not doing i2c
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[14:36] <gordonDrogon> not for long-distance connections.... (where long distance is more than 5x the Pi's board length ;-)
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[14:40] <pronto> so i put a tiny heat sink in my pi, dont think it did anything though xD http://i.imgur.com/ZgUzfeU.jpg
[14:40] <dape> pronto cooltek or what's the name of the heatsink maker..
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[14:41] <chickens> pronto: it made your pi look "awesome"!
[14:41] * chickens coughs
[14:41] <pronto> XBRdepot 1 Pack of 4 Premium Self-Stick Copper Heatsinks for XBOX 360 RAM ANA and Southbridge Cooling (4 individual PCS)
[14:43] <chris_99> you guys seen this http://www.edis.at/en/server/colocation/austria/raspberrypi/
[14:44] <nid0> yes
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[14:44] <gordonDrogon> pronto, Hahaha ;-)
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[14:44] <pronto> chris_99: they dont offer that any more though
[14:44] <pronto> i emailed them about possible US locations
[14:45] <chris_99> even in austria?
[14:45] <pronto> they said they dont offer it any where
[14:45] <pronto> at least this is what they told me
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> wonder why they want a USB stick for it?
[14:45] <nid0> theyre "out of stock" if you try to order it
[14:45] <chris_99> oh
[14:45] <Grievre> man I really wish this ribbon cable was just a bit shorter
[14:45] <Grievre> how does one shorten a ribbon cable?
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> by cutting off a connecting and crimping on a new one.
[14:46] <arcanescu> what isthis colocation O_o ?
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[14:47] <nid0> whats colocation in general, or what are they offering?
[14:47] <arcanescu> well what they are offering
[14:47] <nid0> to colocate raspberry pi's for free
[14:47] <arcanescu> okay whats co locate
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[14:47] <chris_99> to put your RPi in a datacenter basically
[14:47] <arcanescu> :]
[14:47] <arcanescu> why wud i want to do that?
[14:47] <nid0> colocation = hosting equipment of your own in a datacentre
[14:48] <raspberrynewbie> i just found out something reeeeally interesting: its a baad idea to work on the terminal when a two year old boy can reach and use the keyboard
[14:48] <FR^2> pronto: Is the temperature of your pi alarming?
[14:48] <chris_99> why wouldn't you arcanescu if it was free ;)
[14:48] <dape> perhaps the price of a 1U server, the power it consumes and the traffic it would made divided to the ammount of Pis for it - would be extremely low so they offer it FREE
[14:48] <pronto> FR^2: nah, only like 30c to 45c
[14:48] <arcanescu> chris_99: i cud put my webserver on it and then it wud be intresting
[14:48] <FR^2> pronto: So to speak it's just decoration? ;)
[14:49] <chris_99> er, you can run a webserver on the Pi ;)
[14:49] <arcanescu> or maybe its just a scam to get free PiS?
[14:49] <nid0> they probably just did it as a bit of cheap publicity
[14:49] <chris_99> yah
[14:49] <dape> you could run your own vpn server, they give /112 IPv6
[14:49] <nid0> which they've evidently now abandoned
[14:49] <pronto> FR^2: pretty much
[14:49] <Dagger2> oh boy, a /112
[14:49] <dape> :P
[14:49] <pronto> it looks cool :D
[14:49] <FR^2> pronto: indeed :)
[14:49] <chris_99> what's a /112?
[14:50] <chris_99> wrt ipv6
[14:50] <dape> http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/3463/ipv6-subnetsize-64-96-112-wtf
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[14:50] <pronto> http://raspberry.bagels.xxx/ i run a webserver on my pi :D
[14:50] <Dagger2> chris_99: an indication that the network operator hasn't really got their head around IPv6
[14:50] <chris_99> aha heh
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[14:51] <dape> weird subnetting anyway
[14:51] <FR^2> pronto: How did you manage to get your pi cool down to -800'000?C?
[14:52] <pronto> FR^2: i work for CERN
[14:52] <dape> chris_99 would you need more than 65k addresses? :)
[14:52] <pronto> we have a cluster of Pis powering the LHC
[14:52] <chris_99> haha, no dape
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[14:53] <Dagger2> dape: see? that kind of thinking suggests that you haven't got your head around IPv6 :p
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[14:53] <dape> Dagger2 well, i'm drowning in /36s
[14:53] <Dagger2> you're not supposed to think about "number of addresses"... there's so many that it's just silly to do so
[14:54] <dape> actually good for them edis or whatever isp is that, at least they offer ipv6
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> wonder if a heatsink would help my Pi if I put it here: http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMAG0559.jpg
[14:54] <pronto> FR^2: graph fixed
[14:54] <chris_99> heh, i love those thermometers
[14:54] <Dagger2> that's true, but from the sound of things they won't do a routed block even if you ask for it
[14:54] <crenn> -800c? Bull....
[14:55] <pronto> FYI: every so often the temp sensor on the pi freaks out
[14:55] <Dagger2> and IPv6 without being able to get routed space from your provider is... really only half of the solution
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> I have a /48 ...
[14:55] <pronto> http://raspberry.bagels.xxx/templog.php < for a time range (i suck at gnuplot)
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[14:55] <dape> it's np, i think they just colo
[14:55] <Dagger2> although it allows interoperability with people who /are/ doing it right, so that's good
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. I could offer a Pi co-lo on a broadband line - but IPv6 only :)
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> although I only have a /56 at the end of the broadband line ..
[14:57] <FR^2> pronto: thx ;)
[14:57] <Dagger2> gordonDrogon: I could go for that ;)
[14:57] <Dagger2> except it wouldn't be any faster than hosting it myself
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> indeed...
[14:57] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: /56? That's not future safe at all... Imagine if your service suddenly gets populat :D
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[14:58] <Weaselweb> "only" /56? afaik /64 is for end-users. and sixxs even gives /48
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, well... it'll do me for a year or too...
[14:58] <pronto> http://kpaste.net/794b825eb < is my gnuplot scriptthing for it
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> My ISP gives out /56's. I have a /48 in the co-lo.
[14:59] <Dagger2> Weaselweb: end users really ought to get more than a single /64
[14:59] <Dagger2> and I'd argue that a /60 is also potentially limiting
[14:59] <Dagger2> it's much harder to make that argument for /56s
[15:00] <Weaselweb> Dagger2: why is /64 or even /56 limiting?
[15:00] <Dagger2> (though I'd prefer a /48 because less typing)
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[15:01] <Dagger2> Weaselweb: if you only have one /64 then you can only do one network
[15:01] <Dagger2> many people run guest wifi networks, and thus need more than one /64
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[15:02] <gordonDrogon> in-theory a /64 is for one network, but in practice there is nothing to stop you subnetting & routing a /64 internally if you want to.
[15:02] <Dagger2> gordonDrogon: unless you want SLAAC to work
[15:02] <Weaselweb> Dagger2: ah, ic where are you pointing at
[15:02] <Dagger2> which I guess isn't important if you have no iOS/Android devices on the wifi...
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> actually, I ought tp IPv6 my home wifi LAN and see what happens..
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> I've just done the main wired LAN so-far.
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> and then I might tackle dhcp ...
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[16:22] <gordonDrogon> well I eanbled ipv6 on my wifi lan and nothing happened. nothing connects via ipv6 and I don't know if that's because radvd isn't working over it or the device themselves are just stupid. need to wait until wifey gets home to try to galaxy tab thingy, but my laptops with wicd don't.
[16:23] <Dagger2> gordonDrogon: I have encounted some wireless APs that refuse to forward RAs
[16:23] <Dagger2> (VM's SuperHub is, unfortunately, one of them, and they refuse to even try to fix it)
[16:24] <Dagger2> you could try seeing if IPv6 works if you configure it statically
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[16:25] <gordonDrogon> it does.
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> I have draytek APs
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> might be an incentive to get dhcp6 working though as I'm not a fan of autoconf...
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[16:28] <Dagger2> you will still need RAs to work, to distribute the default route
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> can't dhcp do that?
[16:30] <Dagger2> nope
[16:31] <Dagger2> routes are done with RAs
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> or statically.
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[16:31] <Dagger2> or statically, but presumably nobody does that
[16:32] <Dagger2> even in a test network, it's easier to get radvd running than it is to statically configure things...
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[16:39] <gordonDrogon> I need my servers to be statically configured
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> I could probably live with my home/office dynamic if I could be bothered to setup dns for them.
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[16:42] <gordonDrogon> it annoys me now that my workstation has 2 IPv6 addresses, so I can't use host base IP address firewalling as it now prefers the dynamic one - which admittedly should not change, however...
[16:42] <Dagger2> I'd argue that you don't need the *default route* setting to be statically configured on your servers
[16:43] <Dagger2> IP, yes (although I distribute "static" IPs with DHCP in v4 land), but not the default route
[16:44] <Dagger2> in particular changing routers will be a bigger pain than it needs to be if you've statically configured the router address
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[16:49] <gordonDrogon> when I change routers, their IP address doesn't change.
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[16:50] <Dagger2> that sounds like you'll have downtime when switching
[16:50] <Dagger2> it also means that you'll have to change the DNS records for any other services running on your current router, to reflect its new IP
[16:50] <Dagger2> (though perhaps your routers will never have such services running on them)
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> I had no downtime last time.
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[16:51] <gordonDrogon> I don't really care about downtime for my office/home network, but the router there had has the same IP address over severla hardware incarnations.
[16:51] <Dagger2> presumably not magically?
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> statically.
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[16:52] <gordonDrogon> I just copy the /etc/network/interfces file to the new hardware...
[16:52] <Dagger2> if you had to go to any effort at all to avoid downtime, then you exerted more effort than not doing so
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> huh?
[16:53] <Dagger2> and you're also exerting effort to statically configure default routes, for no reason
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> as I said, I don't care about downtime on my soho network.
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> I replace the router every now & then.
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> the servers in my co-lo are treated somewhat differently, but even then the routers are statically configured.
[16:54] <Dagger2> well yes, I do the same. I normally leave the old router running for a time though, because it'll be running services that I still want to access
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> It's a linux box - I do not have any problems copying data/services to another Linux box.
[16:55] <Dagger2> so my choice is either to give the new router a new IP, or to give the old router a new IP. either way you'd have to reconfigure stuff
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> No, I don't.
[16:56] * IT_Sean wonders why gordonDrogon doesn't just use an off the shelf router as a router.
[16:56] <Dagger2> but I'd be able to move my default router to a new IP without reconfiguring static routes on any of my machines
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> because I've not found one I'm happy with.
[16:56] <IT_Sean> fair enough
[16:57] <Dagger2> ok, back to the start then. why bother configuring your default route statically when you can announce it with RAs?
[16:57] <Dagger2> it seems like extra effort for no advantage
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> because announcing it with RAs isn't working over my WiFi.
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> I also don't want a host to have an IP address that looks random.
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[16:58] <gordonDrogon> I like nice neat IP addresses.
[16:59] <IT_Sean> o_O
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> and I choose to excercise my choice by doing so.
[16:59] <Dagger2> you can assign nice neat IP addresses statically without also assigning the default route statically
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> it's not working.
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> that's the issue. RAs are not working over my wifi.
[16:59] <IT_Sean> that remind me... i want to set up a couple of static IPs for stuff on my home network tonight.
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[17:00] <Dagger2> ok, there's an issue. but that's not a reason to *want* to statically configure the default route; it's a reason for being forced to do so
[17:00] <Dagger2> (and the appropriate fix is to use hardware that actually works)
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> please buy me some...
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> but one thing right now thats irritating me is that when I run radvd my workstation gets a 2nd IP address - which is then prefered and when I try to connect to some remote sites that are firewalled, I'm blocked )-: And that's annoying me.
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[17:03] <Dagger2> there will be a way to fix that, but I don't currently know what it is
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> I've tried telling Linux to ignore RAs but either I'm doing it wrong or it's not working ):
[17:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> looks like farnell website has gone west
[17:05] <Dagger2> you can turn accept_ra off, but then it won't get any information from the RA, which isn't (or shouldn't be) what you want
[17:05] <IT_Sean> RaTTuS|BIG: gone west?
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[17:05] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, until this afternoon I've been running without RAs since I got IPv6 2 years ago.
[17:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> dead as the proverbial
[17:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> An error occurred while processing your request.
[17:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> Reference #97.aefb3d17.1360166741.9e50fff
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> or running without radvd anyway.
[17:05] <IT_Sean> Ahh.
[17:06] <IT_Sean> Thats... um... not good.
[17:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://uk.farnell.com/
[17:07] <Dagger2> gordonDrogon: see, I wouldn't do that. static = :effort:. but then I don't use static IPs anywhere; I'm happy with the SLAAC ones (which are hidden by DNS)
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, I really don't think 3 lines in /etc/network/interfaces is effort.
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[17:08] <gordonDrogon> sorry, 4.
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> iface eth0 inet6 static
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> address 2001:4d48:ad51:8901::2
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> netmask 64
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> gateway 2001:4d48:ad51:8901::1
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> no effort.
[17:08] <Dagger2> that's a huge amount of effort compared to not adding them
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[17:08] <Dagger2> and you'll be kicking yourself if you ever need to renumber
[17:08] <devswap> hi all - isnt there an app for downloading iplayer videos onto the pi so that they can be watched later or am i dreaming about that?
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[17:09] <gordonDrogon> I have no plans to renumber, and when I do, it's still no effort.
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> devswap, look for get_iplayer
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> devswap, but that's just for BBC stuff really.
[17:10] <Dagger2> except ok, you'd have to change all your static IPs when renumbering, so changing the gateway too is only a small amount of extra effort
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[17:10] <devswap> gordondrogon: thats fine - 4od and itv would be good too but iplayer is ok
[17:11] <Dagger2> well, it looks like the solution is to set net.ipv6.conf.*.autoconf = 0
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> I have tried that.
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[17:11] <Dagger2> but the other solution is to turn SLAAC off in your RAs
[17:11] <swart> does get_iplayer work outside of the uk or do I need a proxy?
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[17:12] <Dagger2> but then you have to manually configure a v6 address for *every* machine, which I would find to be silly
[17:12] <devswap> swart: i believe there are vpn services which will help yopu
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> For the number of machines I have, I'm happy with it.
[17:13] <Dagger2> I would be happy too, provided I had one machine (the router)
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[17:13] <Dagger2> beyond that... ugh, no. automatic config for everything possible
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> and for firewalling based on host IP?
[17:14] <Dagger2> I put the host IP in the firewall
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> and when you change your workstation ?
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[17:16] <Dagger2> I use DNS names in my firewall script, so I just need to rerun it
[17:17] <Dagger2> or I manually set the IP, I guess (but only the IP! not the default router, DNS server or whatever)
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> I'll stick to manually setting the IP.
[17:19] <Dagger2> and that's ok, but I'd still run radvd for the network
[17:19] <Dagger2> I can just imagine trying to dictate IPs and routers to my mother for her to use her iPhone on the network when she's here
[17:20] <Dagger2> not that the iPhone even has UI for this stuff, I suspect...
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[17:28] <gordonDrogon> ah. my phone doesn't support ipv6 apparently so this whole thing has been a waste of time.
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> I will stick to ipv4 on my wifi LAN.
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[17:33] <chris_99> could you not use both
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> that's what I've been trying to do.
[17:36] <raspberrynewbie> i try to do: sudo echo "deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list but it tells m permission denied
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> raspberrynewbie, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> then add the line in.
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> the reason it fails is that the file after the >> is opened by the current shell, not the sudo shell.
[17:38] <raspberrynewbie> aah ok4
[17:38] <raspberrynewbie> thank you so much
[17:39] <raspberrynewbie> so i only add: deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free in the nano
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[17:39] <nid0> yes
[17:39] <swart> yes the >> is a unix shell command to append to an existing file
[17:39] <swart> if you use only > it will overwrite the whole file. you don't want to confuse those :)
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[17:40] <raspberrynewbie> yes i definitely dont want that
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[17:40] <raspberrynewbie> what is the difference in my nano file with this i have already an entry and it says wheezy behind my first entry and squeeze behind the one i added now
[17:41] <nid0> theyre adding repositories for different versions of debian
[17:41] <swart> usually it's safer to edit the file manually, but often you see commands on websites that let you copy and paste without knowing what the commands are doing. it's usually worth understanding those first
[17:41] <nid0> which may or may not be a problem, depending on what you're trying to do
[17:41] <Torikun> http://www.wired.com/design/2013/02/raspberry-pi-camera-module/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Top+Stories%29
[17:42] <raspberrynewbie> yes if i work with the console i definitely want to know what i am doing before i f** up my system accidentially
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[17:42] <raspberrynewbie> oooh neat a cheap camera module
[17:42] <IT_Sean> sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
[17:42] <raspberrynewbie> so nid0 if they are for different versions of debian, can they still kind of "work" together? or do i have to get a different repository for the one i am using now?
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[17:42] <Torikun> none of my cases support it lol
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[17:46] <Torikun> anyone have a case that it would work good with?
[17:46] <raspberrynewbie> is there a good irc client for raspberry pi?
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[17:47] <Torikun> irssi raspberrynewbie
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[17:47] <Torikun> znc is a good irc bouncer to stay logged in anywhre.
[17:47] <raspberrynewbie> irssi
[17:47] <Torikun> I use znc on my pi and connect to it via my other machines
[17:47] <flufmnstr> also, instal screen
[17:48] <flufmnstr> you can do multiple things from one terminal
[17:48] <raspberrynewbie> sounds good
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[17:50] <raspberrynewbie> i am fighting with xbmc right about now and wanted to show my terminal entries with sourcepod or so
[17:51] <raspberrynewbie> installing irssi now
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[17:51] <Torikun> raspberrynewbie: its better to use znc then you can use any client on any device
[17:51] <Torikun> and always be connected to irc even when the client is off
[17:52] <flufmnstr> unless you just need a quick connection to irc
[17:52] <flufmnstr> a bouncer requires some setup
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[17:52] <Torikun> bouncer not that hard
[17:52] <raspberrynewbie> ok um i'm going to install this later i just want to quickly get online with irssi now to share my stuff
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[17:53] <flufmnstr> idealy you put znc on a hosted system so you wouldnt have to worry about the residential connection
[17:53] <Torikun> Yeah
[17:53] <Torikun> VPS too expensive
[17:53] <raspberrynewbie> how do i startup irssi ?
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[17:53] <flufmnstr> irssi
[17:54] <Torikun> i love my irc uptime with znc at home
[17:54] <raspberrynewbie> oh
[17:54] <flufmnstr> /connect <server>
[17:54] <pronto> irssi ftw!
[17:54] <flufmnstr> /join #<channel>
[17:54] <BigBadGhost> pronto: Agreed, that's what I use
[17:54] <flufmnstr> /nick <nick>
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[17:54] <raspberrynewbie> brb
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[17:55] <flufmnstr> theres fancy auto join stuff you can do, but its not nessisary for a quick connection
[17:55] <flufmnstr> you should give the irssi quick start a read through though
[17:55] <Torikun> its quicker because you never leave the rooms your in
[17:55] <flufmnstr> to get a feel for what it can do
[17:55] <swart> I use irssi with screen so I never have to disconnect :)
[17:55] <Torikun> lol
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[17:55] <raspberrynewbie> i'm back right?
[17:55] <Torikun> yes
[17:55] <flufmnstr> nope
[17:56] * flufmnstr snickers
[17:56] <raspberrynewbie> aww now i have to redo it :(
[17:56] <flufmnstr> ?
[17:56] <flufmnstr> oh apparently you were gone for a minute there
[17:56] <flufmnstr> theres fancy auto join stuff you can do, but its not nessisary for a quick connection
[17:56] <flufmnstr> ?
[17:57] <flufmnstr> you should give the irssi quick start a read through though
[17:57] <raspberrynewbie> will do flufmstr
[17:57] <raspberrynewbie> her i did that to install xbmc
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[17:57] <raspberrynewbie> http://www.sourcepod.com/lvprll99-13934
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[17:58] <flufmnstr> and screen + irssi = ircing without having to start X
[17:58] <flufmnstr> if you enjoy working form the CLI that is ;)
[17:58] <pronto> ^^ i use irssi on a vps
[17:58] <raspberrynewbie> according to this tutorial http://mbignell.com/2012/04/19/getting-started-with-the-raspberry-pi/
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[18:01] <raspberrynewbie> what have i done to my raspberry? or not done? i edited my nano file as you suggested
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[18:05] <raspberrynewbie> am i still on?
[18:05] <Torikun> yup
[18:05] <raspberrynewbie> oh ok i'm not used to chat via terminal
[18:05] <pronto> 9 days till shmoocon \o/
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[18:09] <raspberrynewbie> what can i do when i get this error: W: Failed to fetch http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/InRelease Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-armhf/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
[18:11] <swart> did you get that when you did apt-get update?
[18:11] <raspberrynewbie> yes
[18:11] <swart> looks like a syntax error in your sources.list
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[18:11] <Torikun> aint nobody got time fo dat
[18:12] <raspberrynewbie> do i have to put ; at the end of each line in nano?
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[18:14] <swart> raspberrynewbie: no. it should just be formatted similarly to the other entries
[18:14] <swart> watch for spaces in the url - it won't like that
[18:14] <Dagger2> there are some examples for sources.list syntax in `man sources.list`
[18:14] <Dagger2> (but the short answer is no)
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[18:14] <raspberrynewbie> hunh my entries in nano are those:
[18:14] <raspberrynewbie> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[18:14] <raspberrynewbie> deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free
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[18:15] <raspberrynewbie> do i have to add contrib and rpi too?
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[18:16] <pksato> deb-multimedia are ported to raspberry pi?
[18:16] <Dagger2> there are no armhf binaries in deb-multimedia.org's repository. you'll have to remove that altogether
[18:16] <swart> there's your problem :p
[18:16] <raspberrynewbie> then which repository do i have to add for xbmc?
[18:17] <raspberrynewbie> in my tutorial it says i hav eto add this line: echo "deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:17] <raspberrynewbie> and his seems to be wrong
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[18:19] <Dagger2> the tutorial is probably right for armel (the original Foundation Squeeze release, and maybe their Wheezy release too), but not for Raspbian, which is armhf
[18:19] <raspberrynewbie> aaah
[18:19] <raspberrynewbie> dang
[18:20] <raspberrynewbie> do i have to install and compile and make it by hand then?
[18:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC that used to work - not tried it for a while
[18:21] <BCMM> raspberrynewbie: the problem here is that you can't just set up and use an x86 (PC) repository in the Pi
[18:21] <Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com/?q=node/13 <--Raspberry Pi joke
[18:21] <BCMM> because the software is all compiled for PC...
[18:22] <raspberrynewbie> ok then i'll go all the way RaTTuS|BIG suggested
[18:22] <BCMM> raspberrynewbie: also there are special versions of XBMC for the Pi. have a look at this repository; i'm using it and it works OK for me http://michael.gorven.za.net/raspberrypi/xbmc
[18:22] <raspberrynewbie> special versions? how special?
[18:23] <BCMM> raspberrynewbie: well, uses openelec to do video decode, etc.
[18:23] <pksato> xbmc not in raspbian repository?
[18:23] <raspberrynewbie> ok
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[18:24] <BCMM> raspberrynewbie: my point is it is not just the same codebase as the x86 version, but recompiled for armhf, like most raspbian software is
[18:24] <raspberrynewbie> ah ok now i get it thank you BCMM
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[18:24] <BCMM> raspberrynewbie: btw not all repos support all architechtures
[18:25] <raspberrynewbie> ok
[18:25] <BCMM> raspberrynewbie: specifically, official Debian repos won't have armhf packages. i can't see why unofficial repos intended to be used with stock debian would either
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[18:26] <raspberrynewbie> good to know thank you
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[18:28] <BCMM> ah, contrary to what somebody said deb-multimedia.org does seem to do armhf
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[18:28] <BCMM> http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-armhf/
[18:28] <raspberrynewbie> then why doesnt it work?
[18:28] <pksato> raspberrynewbie: If you intend to use RPi as Media Center, use one of these OpenELEC, Raspbmc, XBian and others
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[18:28] <raspberrynewbie> i dont only want to use it as media center
[18:29] <BCMM> they even seem to have xbmc-bin; though it might well be "regular" version compiled for ARM and expect GLX and whatnot
[18:29] <raspberrynewbie> but if i use Raspbmc then i can still add the other stuff i want to use it with right?
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[18:33] <pksato> raspberrynewbie: Yes, other packages ported to raspberry pi (or armhf).
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[18:33] <raspberrynewbie> but then i should use raspbm and there in terminal mode i can boot up as usual with startx or is it not supported in raspbmc?
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[18:33] <pksato> and BCMnot-remember-numbers SoC used on Raspberry Pi.
[18:34] <faLUCE> hi, is there an image that contains xbmc and a web browser?
[18:35] <pksato> raspberrynewbie: use other SD card to another application.
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[18:35] <raspberrynewbie> yes thats probably for the best
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[18:36] <raspberrynewbie> is a 4GB enough for raspbmc?
[18:36] <pksato> Its like a Atary 2600 video game, swap cartridge to play other game. :)
[18:37] <raspberrynewbie> well but thats cool so you can create as many systems as you like and boot them up in any way you decide, try that with windows
[18:37] <BCMM> pksato: what's wrong with running XBMC from http://michael.gorven.za.net/raspberrypi/xbmc on raspbian?
[18:37] <BCMM> i do that in order to have a multi-functional system and it's working OK
[18:37] <pksato> nothing, I looking to this link. :)
[18:37] <tooka> Hey. Just set up my pi and trying to access it via ssh. Works fine via Putty on my PC (which is on the same network) but can't seem to access it via any ssh client on my android phone (on the 3g networks). What could be the issue?
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[18:38] <pksato> Just need a xmbc compliled to support openmax and other rpi things.
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[18:39] <tooka> The IP adress you use to access a linux system via SSH should be the same no matter which network the connecting PC is on, right?
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[18:40] <BCMM> pksato: it is a build of the Pi version of XBMC
[18:40] <pksato> raspberrynewbie: id you have a big SD, can use baerryboot to chosse OS on boot time.
[18:40] <pksato> 'choose `
[18:41] <BCMM> pksato: it's listed on this page now, (wasn't when i installed it), so i guess i'm not the only person using it happily http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC
[18:41] <raspberrynewbie> baerryboot sounds neat
[18:41] <raspberrynewbie> i am trying BCMM 's link right now
[18:42] <BCMM> raspberrynewbie: when i said "openelec" above, i meant "openmax". openelec is another distro
[18:42] <pksato> or small SD (~128M) and a big external self powerd HDD/SSD.
[18:42] <raspberrynewbie> what did i break here? E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[18:42] <BCMM> i'm keeping the OS on the SD card so the big external HDD can spin down when nobody is watching videos
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[18:43] <BCMM> raspberrynewbie: are you trying to install software when you are not root?
[18:43] <raspberrynewbie> no if it happens only accidentially but usually no
[18:44] <raspberrynewbie> oh i found it: i had synaptic still open it seems to have blocked the process then
[18:45] <BCMM> raspberrynewbie: well the usual reasons for that error are running apt-get without root privileges, running apt-get when apt-get is already running, or running apt-get after the system crashed while apt-get was running
[18:45] <BCMM> or i suppose you could be out of disk space...
[18:45] <raspberrynewbie> no it was because synaptic was still running
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[18:46] <raspberrynewbie> great its installing now :) but howcan i make my user join the groups audio, video, input, deialout and plugdev?
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[18:48] <faLUCE> I'm searching for an image that contains a web browser and xbmc... is there any one?
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[18:50] <BCMM> raspberrynewbie: usermod
[18:51] <raspberrynewbie> thank you BCMM
[18:51] <BCMM> raspberrynewbie: specifically usermod username -aG groupname
[18:51] <BCMM> (as superuser ofc)
[18:51] <raspberrynewbie> the repository you suggested is working great so far
[18:52] <raspberrynewbie> so i do sudo usermod Pi -ag Video for example
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[18:54] <raspberrynewbie> allright thank you so much for your help i have to bring my kid to bed now
[18:55] <raphie> hey, does anybody have a recommendation for a cheap kit? I don't need a Cobbler or anything like that, just a case, power, SD card, and maybe a WiFi dongle
[18:55] <IT_Sean> You are probably best off peicing it together yourself, as opposed to paying a premium for a prebuilt "kit"
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[18:56] <raphie> IT_Sean: okay!
[18:56] <IT_Sean> just a thought.
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[18:56] <IT_Sean> If you buy a kit, you are paying for the parts, as well as the time someone spent doing it all up together
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[18:59] <swart> otoh if you don't have a bunch of stuff lying around a kit can be a time saver
[19:00] <pronto> http://raspberry.bagels.xxx/templog.php lolol, must be cold in my apartment right now (raspberry pi CPU temp log)
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[19:01] <bge> Got heatsinks pronto?
[19:02] <pronto> bge: not on that one, on my other one ido
[19:02] <bge> Was thinking of getting some from modmypi.com
[19:03] <pronto> on my other pi, i got some xbox ram mem heatsink
[19:03] <pronto> http://i.imgur.com/ZgUzfeU.jpg
[19:04] <faLUCE> apt-get update is very slow on the last image. My network is ok, and pings ar good. where can be the problem?
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> it's slow. it's just slow.
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get install eatmydata ; eatmydata sudo apt-get update ; eatmydata apt-get upgrade
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> er, with a sudo...
[19:12] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, ?
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[19:12] <gordonDrogon> eatmydata is a utility that makes some things go faster.
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[19:13] <gordonDrogon> it stops programs doing an fsync operation.
[19:13] <ParkerR> Ahh
[19:13] <ParkerR> Well apt-get isnt that slow
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[19:13] <gordonDrogon> which happens a lot with the database updates that apt-get does.
[19:13] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, Did it make it faster for you?
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> it appeared to.
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> I often forget to use it though.
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I suppose I could test it on 2 Pis..
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[19:15] <acriax> Hi, I'm trying to get SSH and network share working with my rpi and raspbmc. I have network access from the rpi and can ping google, but I cannot ping the rpi from the rest of the network. What is going on?
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[19:16] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, So does it basically save the sync operations until the end?
[19:16] <Torikun> is your router have 22 open acriax?
[19:16] <Torikun> and forward to the pi?
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[19:17] <gordonDrogon> ParkerR, yes.
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[19:18] <acriax> Torikun: I think so. My router interface confuses the everloving crap out of me though so it's hard to know. :P
[19:18] <Torikun> ok nevermind my statement, its local
[19:19] <Torikun> are you runnign firewall rules on the pi?
[19:19] <acriax> Not on the router no
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[19:19] <Torikun> what about the piu
[19:19] <acriax> It's as default as can be
[19:19] <Torikun> iptables -L
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[19:21] <acriax> command not found
[19:21] <Torikun> what distro?
[19:21] <Torikun> nmap -a | grep -i ssh
[19:21] <acriax> raspbmc
[19:21] <Torikun> *netstat -a | grep -i ssh
[19:23] <acriax> tcp 0 0:0 LISTEN
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[19:23] <Torikun> sounds liek teh daemon not on
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[19:24] <wlashell> Anyone have any thoughts on how to fix the permission errors generated by pygame trying to initialize the display for non-root users? I have made sure the user is in the video, adm and other group and have tried chmoding various devices but it has not worked yet.
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> Hm. well that was inconclusive. 2 apt-get update/upgrades on 2 Pis, one with eatmydat one without - similar times.
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[19:51] <tooka> anyone using the pi to control their lights? (with a tellstick + wall socket recievers or similar) Did you find it easy to get started?
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[19:52] <|Jeroen|> not yet, still have another arm
[19:52] <|Jeroen|> but planning to switch to pi
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[20:00] <Torikun> you need many pi's |Jeroen|
[20:00] <Torikun> one does not simply buy one Raspberry Pi
[20:00] <Torikun> =)
[20:00] <|Jeroen|> i am planning to do it with one
[20:01] <|Jeroen|> gonna make some i2c io expanders
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[20:04] <chupacabra> I havnt gotten my first one and already wanting another one
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[20:07] <faLUCE> hi. I have a problem on resolution: my raspberry detects the monitor but I see a black frame around the desktop (---> this means that the size is smaller than the monitor's one)....
[20:07] <|Jeroen|> aren't they easyer to get by now?
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[20:07] <mgottschlag> faLUCE: check your config.txt overscan settings
[20:08] <chupacabra> at least 2 week wait
[20:08] <faLUCE> mgottschlag: which file?
[20:08] <faLUCE> mgottschlag: which file+path?
[20:08] <mgottschlag> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
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[20:09] <mgottschlag> it is the central bootloader/gpu config file
[20:10] <faLUCE> mgottschlag: thanks
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[20:10] <mgottschlag> oh
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[20:10] <mgottschlag> faLUCE: btw, you can just let raspi-config disable overscan for you
[20:10] <mgottschlag> easier than editing that file
[20:11] <ryanteck> I have to say, the RPi works better on HDMI than my actual PC does
[20:11] <ryanteck> Never got it correct so I have to use VGA for one of my monitors
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[20:11] <faLUCE> mgottschlag: how can I disable that?
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[20:12] <mgottschlag> "sudo raspi-config" in a terminal should give you the initial setup program
[20:12] <mgottschlag> there should be an option somewhere there
[20:13] <faLUCE> mgottschlag: it was already disabled
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[20:13] <mgottschlag> does it pick the right resolution? (you can get the current resolution with "xrandr" I think)
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[20:14] <ryanteck> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3KSxa1CMAAX4EE.png :)
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[20:14] <faLUCE> I don't have xrandr command
[20:14] <faLUCE> mgottschlag:
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[20:15] <mgottschlag> ok, I should let someone else talk then, my pi hasn't seen any monitor for a long time now
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[20:15] <mgottschlag> faLUCE: you could try forcing a certain resolution and overscan settings in your config.txt though
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[20:16] <faLUCE> mgottschlag: yes, but it doesn't seem a proper way to solve the problem
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[20:17] <faLUCE> mgottschlag: you were right
[20:17] <mgottschlag> but afterwards you'd at least know which part of it is the problem (monitor mode or overscan)
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[20:17] <mgottschlag> hm?
[20:17] <faLUCE> solved by disabling overscan
[20:17] <faLUCE> I thought it was disabled
[20:17] <faLUCE> but it was not
[20:17] <faLUCE> thanks
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[20:17] <mgottschlag> good :)
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[20:22] <faLUCE> Now another problem. I can't launch xbmc. Here's the error that I obtain:
[20:22] <faLUCE> /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin: undefined symbol: vc_tv_get_display_state
[20:22] <faLUCE> XBMC has exited uncleanly 3 times in the last 32 seconds.
[20:22] <faLUCE> Something is probably wrong
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[20:23] <jelly1> woot
[20:23] <jelly1> faLUCE: recompile
[20:23] <faLUCE> jelly1: I did not compile anything. just installed the package from repo
[20:24] <jelly1> hrrm then it sounds like stuff is wrong
[20:25] <faLUCE> I know. I wonder if is there an image with xbmc included
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[20:25] <jelly1> openelec works
[20:25] <chupacabra> is xbmc the default media player? I've never used it.
[20:26] <faLUCE> jelly1: does it support youtube browsing?
[20:26] <IT_Sean> xbmc is a media center system, chupacabra
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[20:26] <jelly1> faLUCE: sure
[20:26] <chupacabra> Yes but I hear more about it here than anywhere else.
[20:27] <jelly1> aboutwut
[20:27] <IT_Sean> A lot of people use the pi for xbmc
[20:27] <jelly1> oh
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[20:27] <pronto> one of my SD cards has the xbmcbain distro on on it, quite nice
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[20:29] <|Jeroen|> try openelec pronto its faster
[20:29] <Torikun> a company could easilly switch to a PI for DNS right? IT should be able to handle the load?
[20:29] <mjr> probably, but frankly I'd not go that way due to stability concerns
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[20:30] <Torikun> since there are no enterprise distros for it ?
[20:30] <faLUCE> jelly1: but ... which is the best way to install it on raspbian?
[20:30] <faLUCE> the fastest way
[20:30] <jelly1> openelec is a seperate distro
[20:30] <jelly1> Torikun: what
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[20:30] <pronto> |Jeroen|: nice, i'll check it out
[20:30] <mjr> mostly concerned about the stability of the usb/usbnet drivers
[20:30] <faLUCE> jelly1: does it include a web browser too?
[20:31] <jelly1> i don't know
[20:31] <Torikun> are there known issues mjr? I never heard about stability issues yet
[20:32] <jelly1> Torikun: on a production env you don't want to use toys
[20:32] <Torikun> jelly1: some consultants in england offer services to move cell towers to the pi
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[20:32] <jelly1> right
[20:32] <Torikun> if it can handle that, i think it is more than a toy
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[20:35] <nid0> dns on a pi is perfectly fine, the pi with a half decent power supply is more than stable
[20:35] <nid0> and very rare downtime is why you have 2 dns servers
[20:35] <faLUCE> well, I'm going crazy: Is there a tested distro with a browser and xbmc ?
[20:35] <faLUCE> :-)
[20:35] <Torikun> what is the point of DNS servers when routers do it?
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[20:36] <nid0> what routers?
[20:36] <jelly1> routers do dns these days :o
[20:36] <Vlad> badly
[20:36] <Torikun> Home routers handle DNS
[20:36] <Torikun> gateway/dns
[20:36] <Torikun> I have 1 PI for DNS at home
[20:37] <Torikun> but why use your own DNS server?
[20:37] <nid0> home routers are resolvers, i've never seen a consumer router that can act as a dns server out of the box
[20:37] <jelly1> Torikun: control?
[20:37] <Torikun> ah
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[20:37] <Vlad> because some ISP ones are poor or redirect to adverts for NX domains
[20:37] <jelly1> dnsmasq <3
[20:38] <Torikun> I wish I could make my ISP router use my DNS server first
[20:38] <Torikun> so I do not have to manually put it on my machines
[20:38] <pronto> once i set up dnsmasq incorrectly, and it was poitned to the internet
[20:38] <pronto> ...thatwas fun
[20:38] <jelly1> lol
[20:38] <jelly1> pronto: dhcp over the internets ?
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[20:38] <pronto> my vps provider was like "OMG WHY"
[20:39] <jelly1> :P
[20:39] <pronto> and i forogot it was running
[20:39] <pronto> for a a month
[20:39] <jelly1> lol
[20:39] <BCMM> pronto: including DHCP?
[20:39] <jelly1> pronto: how many leases did you get :P
[20:40] <pronto> wait maybe it was dnsmasq
[20:40] <pronto> it was some dns thing i was playing with
[20:40] <pronto> ah it was, but i set it up for dns only
[20:40] <jelly1> oh
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[20:47] <Vlad> Torikun: can you not disable DHCP on the ISP supplied router?
[20:47] <Torikun> no gives me error lol
[20:47] <|Jeroen|> you can put a descent router behind it
[20:47] <Vlad> :/
[20:47] <Torikun> I did but then dns not worky
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[20:48] <pronto> so has anyone done anythign with those ribbon cable slots on the pi?
[20:49] <IT_Sean> ribbon cable slots?
[20:49] <mgottschlag> csi/dsi?
[20:49] <IT_Sean> you mean the CSI / DSI connectors?
[20:49] <IT_Sean> those are for the camera and display modules, which are as of yet unreleased.
[20:50] <pronto> IT_Sean: all i know they looked liek ribbon cable things, wasn't sure what they ewre for
[20:50] <IT_Sean> those are for the camera and display modules, which are as of yet unreleased.
[20:50] <pronto> any word on an ETA for those?
[20:51] <IT_Sean> Camera should be out soon.
[20:51] <IT_Sean> Display... dunno.
[20:51] <mjr> I don???t have a release date for you yet, but we???re probably at least a month away (and possibly more) from being able to sell these at the moment.
[20:51] <mjr> - Liz yesterday
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[20:56] <mjr> (on cameras)
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[21:04] <sofyan> hello guys :D
[21:05] <pronto> hi
[21:05] <sofyan> anyone knows how to make a server on 3g? o.o
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[21:07] <mjr> The same way as on any other network, though getting a non-natted and preferrably static IP will be harder
[21:08] <mjr> depending on your specific needs, the pi initiating a port forward through some other, better connected host may suffice
[21:08] <mjr> or a VPN, even
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[21:11] <ech0s7> i have an application that start from shell on framebuffer
[21:12] <ParkerR> ech0s7, Ok
[21:12] <ech0s7> it's possible to serve framebuffer over VNC ?
[21:12] <ParkerR> I dont think so
[21:12] <ech0s7> i would see this application from vncviewer from remote
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[21:16] <ech0s7> ParkerR: i have found this
[21:16] <ech0s7> http://pocketworkstation.org/fbvnc.html
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[21:20] <sofyan> mjr: am gonna use it to run motion on 3g but i cant get access to the raspberry pi
[21:21] <nid0> have you got 3g on the pi hooked up and working for outbound connections?
[21:22] <nid0> if so then its what mjr said, you have a natted address from your provider so cant connect inbound to it
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[21:22] <mjr> Sounds like it'd perhaps be possible to use it by having the pi open an incoming ssh port forward from another host and then use it through that. (Failing that, a VPN to a network you control would do.)
[21:23] <mjr> no experience with motion, it just seemed from a quick look to be plausible to do it the easy way
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[21:24] <ech0s7> mjr: i haven't understand
[21:25] <sofyan> mjr: what i need is that i want to access my rpi when its connected to 3g network and watch the stream from motion,, in the home network(wifi) am using port forwarding
[21:26] <hobo> so 5mp camera module
[21:26] <sofyan> mjr: but now i dont know what i need to do the same functionality and watch the video stream in motion
[21:26] <sofyan> mjr: so can u tell me some keywords to start searching or some tips to make it work ? o.o
[21:27] <Primer> You need to understand that all phone networks are going to NAT you
[21:27] <faLUCE> how can I launch rpi-update ? it doesn't find it as a command
[21:27] <Primer> and you have no control over their network
[21:27] <Primer> So when you'll need to do is setup some sort of tunnel to another host on the outside
[21:28] <Primer> I'd recommend an ssh tunnel, as it'd be the easiest to implement
[21:28] <rm> you can run an IPv6 tunnel on the Pi, e.g. http://www.gogo6.com/freenet6 works over NAT
[21:28] <rm> in Raspbian it should be enough to just install "gogoc" to use that
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[21:28] <rm> but then the other side also needs IPv6 to be able to connect
[21:28] <rm> can be a tunnel too
[21:29] <mjr> taking a v6 tunnel for that is a bit exotic but can be workable
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[21:30] <Primer> I would say that's a last resort
[21:30] <mjr> Primer, not strictly true, there's at least one provider in Finland that will give you routable v4 addresses. But that is probably very uncommon globally.
[21:31] <Primer> agreed
[21:31] <rm> what else was proposed, an ssh port forward tunnel to "some other host"? what if they don't have one
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[21:31] <mjr> (they've also started to offer nats semi-randomly to save IPs but you can request settings to get a routable address specifically)
[21:31] <sofyan> so what i need now to install gogoc ?
[21:31] <Primer> Then they don't have much recourse
[21:31] <rm> gogo6 provides you such "other host" for free
[21:31] <Torikun> so you all are saying that in europe you do not get a global IP but have NAT for home IP's
[21:31] <Torikun> ?
[21:31] <rm> and learning IPv6 in the process is something you can't go wrong with
[21:32] <rm> Torikun, on 3G
[21:32] <Primer> well, consider that he may be wanting to see it from a random place, such as a cafe
[21:32] <sofyan> is this gonna take along time guys?
[21:32] <Torikun> oh
[21:32] <Primer> where it's very very unlikely they'll have ipv6
[21:32] <mjr> rm, yeah, I was just about to mention that I wouldn't really call it a last resort since you do get that other tunnel endpoint "for free" as you say
[21:32] <Primer> sofyan: yes
[21:32] <rm> pretty much universally; on home connections not so often
[21:32] <Primer> a very long time
[21:32] <sofyan> omg
[21:32] <rm> wat
[21:32] <Primer> What do you expect? You don't control the network
[21:32] <Torikun> The entire mobile industry should go NAT so we will never have to worry about running out of ipv4 addy's
[21:33] <Primer> s/NAT/ipv6/
[21:33] <rm> Primer, which question have you been answering? :)
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[21:33] <mjr> sofyan, just try to set up the ssh tunnel from the pi first and get to the other stuff if that doesn't work
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[21:33] <rm> <sofyan> is this gonna take along time guys? <Primer> sofyan: yes
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[21:33] <Primer> yes
[21:33] <rm> how is "apt-get install gogoc" takes a long time?
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[21:33] <Primer> sigh
[21:33] <rm> and then it just works
[21:33] <rm> no configuration or registration needed
[21:33] <Primer> he'll still have to setup ipv6 on the client end
[21:34] <Torikun> I got Virtualb Box running on the Pi and running win7!
[21:34] <Primer> if he expects to connect over ipv6
[21:34] <mjr> say motion uses port 8080 (I dunno), do something like ssh yourbox -R 8080:localhost:8080 and then try to browse to yourbox:8080, it should take you to the pi if you're lucky
[21:34] <rm> then we need more details on what OS is on the client
[21:34] <mjr> Torikun, no you didn't
[21:34] <Torikun> lol
[21:34] <rm> if it's Ubuntu/debian, same steps
[21:34] <sofyan> am using raspbian guys
[21:34] <Primer> He doesn't sound like a Linux desktop kind of person
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[21:35] <Primer> sofyan: he meant what are you using to WATCH the stream?
[21:35] <sofyan> windows :D
[21:35] <Primer> of course
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[21:36] <mjr> well, the ssh route would require an ssh server somewhere, though you _can_ install ssh on a windows box
[21:36] <mjr> but frankly, it sounds like you have some studying to do in any case
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[21:36] <sofyan> do you mean putty? o.o
[21:37] <mjr> putty is a client, not a server
[21:37] <ryanteck> ^^
[21:37] <Primer> it can be used as an ssh tunnel end point though
[21:37] <ryanteck> I'm currently installing painfully windows 98 for the third time today
[21:37] <ryanteck> then once I get the qemu image fully setup correctly I'm putting on an external HDD to use on the Pi
[21:37] <sofyan> aha
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[21:37] <mjr> Primer, yes but it doesn't help if the problem is that you can't reach the pi from outside directly without it punching a hole first
[21:38] <sofyan> so what i need to do now to install gogo6 in my rpi
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[21:38] <Primer> sofyan: I really don't think ipv6 is the answer, but that's just my opinion
[21:38] <Primer> because the bigger question is what will it take for you to setup ipv6 on windows
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[21:38] <ryanteck> sorry, missed out . ipv6 for what?
[21:38] <mjr> I also think that it's probably too involved for you, though frankly, anything might be at this point
[21:38] <ryanteck> Its still quite rare tbh
[21:39] <Primer> mjr: I think you hit the nail on the head there
[21:39] <ryanteck> I only just about get a ipv6 address on an high end router
[21:39] <ryanteck> but most isps don't support it
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[21:39] <mjr> I've been lead to understood that windows does pretty automatic ipv6 tunneling these days though if you don't have native. Not sure, haven't tried.
[21:39] <ryanteck> Win 7 sets up ipv6 auto I think
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[21:40] <ryanteck> can't fully say as its lan only, no wan
[21:40] <sofyan> i can use ubuntu guys if u think windows will make a problem
[21:40] <sofyan> am using both of them
[21:40] <Primer> he's talking about tunneling
[21:40] <mjr> sofyan, well, setting up the ssh tunnel method at least would be more straightforward on ubuntu
[21:41] <Primer> heh, watch him be behind NAT on both ends :)
[21:41] <Primer> without control of either
[21:41] <mjr> Primer, good point, hadn't though of that
[21:41] <mjr> t
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[21:41] <mjr> are you behind nat on your desktop too?
[21:41] <Primer> it's still possible though, but you'd have to bring something like STUN into it
[21:42] <sofyan> o.o
[21:42] <rm> sofyan, just apt-get install gogoc on the Pi
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[21:42] <rm> "sudo apt-get install gogoc"
[21:42] <Primer> http://samy.pl/pwnat/ <-- that's also pretty interesting
[21:42] <rm> then "sudo ifconfig" and check if you got a new network interface called "tun"
[21:43] <sofyan> rm: okay if the port of motion is 8080 then what the address of the client would be?
[21:43] <rm> the client will access that IPv6 address, and the same port
[21:44] <sofyan> rm: so its gonna be an easy thing to do right?
[21:44] <mjr> Primer, that... is... perversely genius
[21:45] <Primer> mjr: quite
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[21:46] <rm> sofyan, it should be, but really it depends on your knowledge of GNU/Linux
[21:46] <rm> and of networking
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[21:47] <rm> also I know no other way to access a host behind NAT, that would be easier and still free
[21:47] <rm> if anyone knows, please suggest
[21:47] <Primer> I really would like to know how the pi is "connected" to 3g in the first place
[21:47] <Primer> Because I have a feeling we're not hearing the full story
[21:47] <Primer> rm: check that URL I linked
[21:48] <sofyan> am connected to 3g by using sakis3g o.o
[21:48] <double-you> sofyan: good
[21:48] <sofyan> double-you: thankss ;)
[21:49] <sofyan> am using huawei E173
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[21:50] <rm> Primer, I would not say this is easier
[21:50] <rm> sounds more like a kludge
[21:50] <Primer> surely not for him since he's on windows
[21:50] <rm> also it is not in debian/raspbian, so requires a separate installation/configuration
[21:51] <Primer> it looks pretty damn simple
[21:51] <Primer> Guessing it'd compile just fine for ARM
[21:51] <rm> and ultimately, despite their exciting description, I'm sure this can't possibly be *guaranteed* to work
[21:51] <Primer> it'd surely depend on the NAT implementation
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[21:52] <Primer> this might have a harder time passing through a real stateful firewall
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[22:06] <sofyan> thanks alot guys am gonna try what u told me about
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[22:16] <zleap> hi
[22:17] <IT_Sean> o/
[22:17] <pronto> \o
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[22:21] <xtaylor> has anyone successfully got aircrack to run on their rPi using the debian armhf packages?
[22:21] <xtaylor> mine segfaults, haven't attempted to compile it yet.
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[22:21] <Torikun> does that program actually work?
[22:22] <pronto> i know someone who has, sadly he hasn't released it pubicly yet
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[22:37] <Twi7ch> i have airecrack suite working fine on my pi
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[22:44] <Torikun> Wow, chrome has a ssh client plugin!
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[22:44] <mjr> xtaylor, debian armhf is armv7, pi is armv6, thus debian armhf packages will not work. This is pretty much why the Raspbian recompile was necessary.
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[22:45] <mjr> if it isn't on raspbian yet, try to build the package yourself first
[22:46] <Twi7ch> xtaylor, I pulled and compiled from this svn and it works fine for me on my Pi running wheezy. http://trac.aircrack-ng.org/svn/trunk
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[22:46] <_elek> how do i down/up eth0 remotely? i know it will drop my ssh connection and that is fine
[22:47] <mjr> ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0
[22:47] <Twi7ch> When you say remotely? via ssh?
[22:47] <_elek> yes, via ssh
[22:47] <mjr> if won't if it comes back up on the same ip
[22:47] <Twi7ch> ifconfig eth0 up
[22:47] <Twi7ch> or what mjr said
[22:47] <_elek> okay, thanks ill give that a try
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[22:49] <JoeTrippy> Anybody know how configure speakers to work plugged into the 3.5mm jack on raspbmc? I already tried changing the audio output in the settings to analog.
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[22:50] <gordonjcp> that should work
[22:50] <gordonjcp> do the speakers work?
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[22:51] <_elek> that didnt work, dropped my ssh connection and never came back up
[22:52] <_elek> pulled the plug and retarted it
[22:52] <_elek> restarted*
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[23:29] <comradekingu> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/crystalfontz/cfa-10036-open-hackable-linux-arm-embedded-gpio-mo
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[23:34] <nopslide> comrade: i have a large of stack of random boards ive purchased from kickstarter.. that ive never powered up. ill add this one to the stack :P
[23:35] <mgottschlag> i.MX28? incredibly slow. I have a 5 year old mp3 player with an iMX23 lying around which I still want to convert to a usb sound card though :)
[23:37] <pronto> so, after a day or so of running, my rpi will just stop ... not sure why, have to physcially power down, and back up, http://kpaste.net/c9d8c61 < potatonally revenelt logs
[23:38] <swart> pronto: where did you buy it?
[23:39] <pronto> swart: the rpi? mcm
[23:39] <swart> recently?
[23:39] <pronto> yeah
[23:40] <swart> some people were complaining about a bad batch from RS back in November
[23:40] <pronto> like i ordered it jan1st , got here jan10th i think
[23:40] <pronto> maybe i'll try a diffenrnt power source
[23:41] <gordonjcp> pronto: tried it with a different OS?
[23:41] <swart> I got mine from Newark back in October. haven't had any problems
[23:42] <swart> but I've only just started leaving it running
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[23:43] <Twi7ch> Make sure the power source is providing a constant 1A 5V src
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[23:52] <r00723r0> What's a good use for a Raspberry Pi?
[23:53] <swart> a robot. or a media player. or a robot media player
[23:53] <r00723r0> I want to gather data.
[23:53] <swart> you can put sensors on it too
[23:53] <r00723r0> I'm thinking about possibly attaching it to an RC copter.
[23:53] <swart> sounds like a robot to me :)
[23:54] <r00723r0> OK, so I'm going to make a robot of some sort.
[23:54] <Twi7ch> Have it scrape data from websites
[23:54] <r00723r0> I can do that on my desktop.
[23:54] <r00723r0> I want to take advantage of the portable nature of a Raspberry Pi.
[23:54] <swart> google for raspberry pi quadcoptor
[23:54] <mdik> Twi7ch: you got good links for something in that direction (websitescraping/personal web search)?
[23:54] <TLoFP> a music player robot that will dance to what ever music you play, in the style which is standard for that type of music
[23:55] <swart> and play drums with 6 arms
[23:55] <r00723r0> What are you guys doing with your Pis?
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[23:56] <Twi7ch> mdik: no sorry, I haven't played around with that stuff. I'm working on my pi interacting with an LCD and buttons right now
[23:56] <swart> mostly yelling at mine
[23:57] <swart> maybe make a mame console once I get my cabinet design sorted out
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[23:57] <swart> I guess that was all the info he needed
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