#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-02-07

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[0:25] <thogue> There seem to be a lot of music player projects, think there is room another? I wrote one in python using pianobar, using adafruit pi plate shield.
[0:26] <thogue> er using pianobar as music player, it will also, start/stop shairplay and some other functions, default gw iface /ip , clock , system utilization.
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[0:31] <apollo> Anyone know if the pi can play video using hardware acceleration in an x11 window?
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[0:33] <mjr> it's not possible using current players at least
[0:33] * _Caleb_ is now known as Caleb
[0:34] <mjr> I _presume_ you might eventually get to play in something that resembles an X window, some sort of overlay system akin to Xv of yore, but that's just a presumption
[0:35] <pksato> apollo: you looking for a gui player? like vlc? xine?
[0:35] <apollo> mjr: thanks??? will keep my eyes open
[0:36] <apollo> pksato: I wrote a guy with gtk that plays videos. It's an ultrasound simulator that plays back prerecorded mp4 files...
[0:36] <apollo> http://www.edus2.com
[0:36] <apollo> guy/gui
[0:36] <apollo> uses mplayer/python
[0:37] <pksato> you can write a player that use openmax.
[0:37] <apollo> An option would be just to call omxplayer and play them fullscreen, but it takes a little away from the polish
[0:37] <pksato> or, call omxplayer
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[0:40] <TLoFP> woohoo, I have a 33 MHz SPI bus running : )
[0:41] <pksato> wow...
[0:42] <mjr> basically one would presume that you could patch omxplayer to not necessarily play fullscreen, but to position the video on top of an x window, but I don't really know how limited the openmax stack on the pi is
[0:42] <TLoFP> i know, exciting right
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[0:45] <pksato> and, my rpi is working as dust collector. :)
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[0:54] <mjr> pksato, well it works!
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[1:04] <owenmelbz> evening all- wondered if anybody could help me! Ive literally never touched linux until this morning, and ive installed vnc onto my Pi, however I was wondering if it was possible to view the desktop (as in the one id see via hdmi) and not a vnc desktop, eg IP:1
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[1:04] <Grievre> owenmelbz: you use a different VNC server for that iirc
[1:05] <owenmelbz> you mean different software? as in not xtightvnc?
[1:05] <owenmelbz> or like vncserver :2 to initiate another server??
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[1:05] <debenham> x11vnc can do that
[1:06] <debenham> it can take your X-session and share it out via VNC
[1:06] <mjr> yep, that's the one you want
[1:07] <mjr> one of them, anyway - gnome and kde come with their own things that might be descended from x11vnc IIRC, but anyway, that's the traditional standalone solution to this task
[1:08] <debenham> use "x11vnc -display :0" to share it out
[1:08] <debenham> for gnome there is 'vino-server'
[1:08] <debenham> normally found in /usr/lib/vino/vino-server
[1:09] <owenmelbz> i see, im running the rasbian lxde - so id use the x11vnc yes?
[1:09] <mjr> yes
[1:10] <owenmelbz> thanks- its just downloading at the moment :)
[1:10] <Triffid_Hunter> owenmelbz: if you're new to linux, you may also like to get acquainted with how powerful the terminal is.. connect using putty from windows, or use terminal app if you're on a mac
[1:10] <Triffid_Hunter> owenmelbz: then apt-get install screen on your pi, and screen -xRR when you log in for a persistent terminal session :)
[1:11] <owenmelbz> well im a web dev, so i know some basics like terminal naviation, ownerships and stuff, but apart from that installing stuff is a whole new one!
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[1:13] <owenmelbz> oh its screaming at me, error in binding IPv6 :( shouldnt matter if im not using it?
[1:13] <Coburn> ipv6 sucks, don't use it
[1:13] <mjr> no it doesn't suck, but why should it matter either if you're not using
[1:13] <Coburn> What was the options in the boot.txt that allowed you to overclock to 1Ghz or beyond without popping the overclocked flag on?
[1:13] <Dagger2> `modprobe ipv6` will probably fix it
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[1:14] <owenmelbz> does that launch the ipv6 driver?
[1:15] <Dagger2> it loads the v6 module
[1:17] <owenmelbz> okay- im just rebooting it as I got kicked out the vnc:1 for some strange rectangle error
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[1:23] <owenmelbz> has anybody used a makey makey with a pi?
[1:23] <Hydra> Hi guys
[1:23] <Hydra> I just published this:
[1:23] <Hydra> https://github.com/hydra/GestureRecognizer
[1:24] <Hydra> Gesture Recognition using MPU6050 accelerometer based on uWave sources
[1:24] <Hydra> supports continuous gesture recognition
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[1:30] <owenmelbz> hmm after about 60 seconds, i get kicked out the x11vnc session, then i try get back in and it says connection refused
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[1:31] <Coburn> Does anyone know what over_voltage setting is safe?
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[1:34] <Triffid_Hunter> Coburn: the one it comes with
[1:34] <Triffid_Hunter> Coburn: anything above that is "unsafe"
[1:35] <Coburn> ok
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[1:38] <Coburn> hmm
[1:38] <Torikun> http://linux-toys.com/?q=node/13 lol
[1:38] <Coburn> pwr light comes on
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[1:38] <Coburn> OK light flashes for a bit
[1:38] <Coburn> and then repeats
[1:38] <Coburn> like a POST error code
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[1:40] <Coburn> pwr light on
[1:40] <Coburn> blink blink blink
[1:40] <Coburn> repeat. halp?
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[1:47] <scummos> what did you do
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[1:51] <owenmelbz> anybodt got any ideas why my makey mey wont work on the pi
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[2:01] <Torikun> how long you think the Rpi will last? I am using it for production server at home
[2:02] <dape> a Pi lasts FOREVER !
[2:02] <Torikun> lol
[2:02] <dape> (btw, i'm almost finished compiling a nice server-like/development max. 4 gb image of Gentoo for Pi)
[2:03] <Torikun> ooooo
[2:03] <dape> will post it on friday at www.ip6.ro
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[2:03] <Torikun> I made a stage 4 for the pi
[2:03] <dape> you da' man
[2:03] <Torikun> but that is as far as I got
[2:03] <Torikun> compiling on the pi was horrible
[2:03] <Torikun> and I could not get cross compiling working
[2:03] <dape> i'm distcc-ing to a c2d 1.8 ghz, 4 gb ram thinkpad
[2:03] <Torikun> ah
[2:03] <Torikun> nice
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[2:04] <Torikun> I am using arch now with distcc and it still was hella slow with 4 pi's
[2:04] <Torikun> lol
[2:04] <Grievre> Torikun: cross-compiling /might/ be easier to get working with clang/llvm
[2:04] <dape> Torikun i read this and its working - http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Quick_Install_Guide
[2:04] <Torikun> I used that one also for my stage 4 on linux-toys.com
[2:04] <Torikun> I got it booted then zipped it and stuck it on dropbox for people
[2:05] <dape> nice thing to do, initial stage3 is almost useless for people that would like a dhcp/sshd startup image for their Pi
[2:06] <Torikun> I know!
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[2:06] <Torikun> and you still gotta compile the kernel
[2:06] <Torikun> lol
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[2:06] <dape> compile the kernel? nope, i just took the official from their git
[2:06] <Torikun> oh
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[2:08] <Primer> I can't believe people still use gentoo
[2:09] <dape> yeah, why do they use Gentoo when they could use a bloated linux os
[2:10] <Primer> heh, I used gentoo for about 3 years, back when amd64 was new. Believe me, I know all about it. Enough to know not to use it any more
[2:11] <Torikun> lol
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[2:11] <dape> i'm okay with it, using it all over enterprise and personal stuff with great success
[2:11] <Torikun> in the enterprise?
[2:11] <Torikun> wow
[2:11] <Torikun> that's shocking
[2:11] <Primer> I used to work at a hosting company that had it deployed
[2:11] <Primer> it proved to be quite a disaster
[2:12] <Primer> and yes, we even had a build host
[2:12] <dape> when i think about it almost 75% of romanian home internet access crosses a Gentoo gateway :)
[2:12] <Torikun> I bet Primer
[2:12] <Torikun> I hate upgrading world and having packages removed
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[2:12] <Torikun> or no longer working
[2:13] <Primer> "Customer is complaining that something isn't working." Investigate...find out some obscure USE flag caused the problem...make world...
[2:13] <Primer> "Oh, your glibc doesn't have NPTL. This binary-only thing you want? Yeah...it needs that..."
[2:13] <Torikun> Gentoo will never be good for enterprise
[2:13] <dape> eselect profile list
[2:13] <Torikun> no support
[2:14] <Torikun> and takes forever to get running
[2:14] <dape> Torikun tell that to the few million people here that gets their interwebs piped through gentoo server
[2:14] <Torikun> ok
[2:14] <dape> dual stacked @
[2:15] <dape> Torikun http://www.google.com/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption
[2:15] <dape> see that little green shaped country? it is so much green because of Gentoo :)
[2:16] <Torikun> lol
[2:16] <dape> fish looking country
[2:18] <Torikun> I never seen ipv6 yet
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[2:18] <dape> have patience it will hit you
[2:18] <Torikun> i hope it never does
[2:19] <john280z> dape++
[2:19] <Primer> oh please, it's not because of gentoo
[2:19] <Torikun> it is easy to memorize ipv6 addrress
[2:19] <Primer> it's because of Linux
[2:19] <Torikun> I mean ipv4
[2:19] <dape> it's okay, we have dns
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[2:21] <dape> i'm gonna get in the bed with my Pi, i wish you guys a very nice evening with your female Pis
[2:21] <Torikun> lol yours is male?
[2:21] <Torikun> lol
[2:21] <Torikun> j/k
[2:21] <dape> good idea, i'm gonna put them both together, see if they make me a little Pi
[2:22] <Torikun> lol
[2:22] <Torikun> the model a
[2:22] <Torikun> kik
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[2:44] <SebastianFlyte> Hey, is Adafruit a good place to order a Raspberry Pi or two from??
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[2:49] <cyclick> SebastianFlyte, if they have it in stock, why not?
[2:49] <Tickle> Would there be any reason to buy one of the new cameras if I already have a HD Webcam?
[2:50] <cyclick> Tickle, how about a wifi solar powered camera?
[2:51] <SebastianFlyte> cyclick: Apparently they do. Plus they're a cool company. Newark is kind of corporate, not that there's anything wrong with that...
[2:51] <Tickle> I would love to see a solar power kit, but I don't really trust them, ecspecially in Indiana when it's overcast during the winter season.
[2:51] <debenham> the advantage of the new camera is that it doesn't draw power from the usb port - so will still work evenif not on powered hub
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[2:52] <debenham> (many usb webcams need a bit more power than the pi can provide via usb)
[2:52] <Coburn> hnn,,,
[2:52] <Coburn> hmm*
[2:52] <Coburn> looks like my 256mb r-pi might be catcus
[2:52] <Tickle> I just bought the bullet and bought a powered hub so I can use a USB Wifi Dongle, Mouse and Keyboard plus anything else I wanted.
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[2:53] <Tickle> bit lol
[2:56] <Coburn> now my 512mb one is showing the same behaviour
[2:56] <Coburn> hmmm
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[3:19] <ParkerR> Coburn, What behavior?
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[3:23] <xiambax> Allo
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[3:27] <Torikun> Oi
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[4:04] <Coburn> Figured it out
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[4:05] <Coburn> there's a setting in my config.txt
[4:05] <Coburn> that can't be parsed
[4:05] <Coburn> and it won't boot start.elf
[4:05] <xiambax> So i had a brilliant idea.
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[4:05] <xiambax> What if by default raspbian configured the host name of your RPi to the serial number of your RPi
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[4:06] <xiambax> I was at a hack space yesterday and setting up host names and finding ips and ssh took over an hour
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[4:50] <Coburn> hey guys
[4:50] <pronto> hi
[4:51] <Coburn> can someone send me a line
[4:51] <Coburn> that has their cmdline
[4:51] <Coburn> as in
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[4:51] <Coburn> cat /proc/cmdline
[4:51] <Coburn> and paste it her
[4:51] <Coburn> here8
[4:51] <Coburn> here*
[4:51] <TAFB_zzz> Raspbian?
[4:51] <Coburn> yeah
[4:51] <TAFB_zzz> k. can't help :)
[4:51] <Coburn> I mean
[4:51] <Coburn> cmdline.txt on your r-pi
[4:51] <Coburn> I've lost my cmdline.txt
[4:51] <shurizzle> http://sprunge.us/CWce arch here
[4:51] <TAFB_zzz> it's in the original file
[4:52] <TAFB_zzz> I'll pull it for ya
[4:52] <TAFB_zzz> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait
[4:56] <Coburn> lol
[4:56] <Coburn> no wonder r-pi wasn't showing cable
[4:56] <Coburn> showing on hdmi cable
[4:57] <Coburn> hdmi lead plug that goes into monitor was unplugged
[4:57] <Coburn> lol fail
[4:57] <Zopiac> I was going to show mine but couldn't SSH in... turns out the ethernet cord slipped out
[4:57] <Zopiac> Replaced it with one with a better click-thing
[4:58] <atouk> i was going to post mine, but i got distracted by something shiny. did you see my new cat, i like turtles...
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[4:58] <ParkerR> atouk, Haha
[5:01] <atouk> was actually in the middle of updating one of my old neglected websites. damn time flies
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[5:12] <Viper-7_> PropBerry ftw :D
[5:13] <Viper-7_> udev to detect a usb thumb drive, a hacked pload to program the propeller ram from a binary file on the thumb drive over ttyAMA0, then a C library to communicate with the prop over the same ttyAMA0 serial link
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[5:15] <Viper-7_> rpi does heavy stuff like playing video/audio, calculating fft, etc - propeller does timing sensitive stuff like talk lighting control protocols like DMX, controlling the character LCD, and handling external IO / debouncing / etc
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[6:24] <ryankarason> so raspi users!, i am curious as to what games people have gotten to work on the pi. so far i have tried (armagetron [needs GLX], teeworlds [needs GLX], love-engine [needs GLX], battle for wesnoth [no sound], tuxmath [too laggy], command-line tetris [success!]. so mostly fails:P
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[6:24] <ryankarason> oh and also freedoom [no boom bug]
[6:26] <ParkerR> ryankarason, Quake 3
[6:26] <ParkerR> Emulators
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[6:31] <Assid> heya
[6:32] <Assid> so im thinking of running my own backup / cloud sync service using raspberry pi + an external drive
[6:33] <Assid> any suggestions on this?
[6:33] <Assid> im trying to keep my costs low
[6:33] <ParkerR> SSH plus rsync
[6:33] <Assid> windows based.. and i would mostly have multiple devices syncing
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[6:35] <ryankarason> ParkerR: ha, i am actually installing OpenArena as we type
[6:35] <ryankarason> hopefully that will work...
[6:35] <ParkerR> ryankarason, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=18853
[6:35] <ryankarason> thanks ParkerR
[6:35] <ryankarason> Assid, get Cygwin
[6:36] <ryankarason> and then use SSH, it is wonders:D!
[6:36] <Assid> im considering iqbox on the windows client.. and running an svn server
[6:36] <ryankarason> ah
[6:36] <ryankarason> have you ever used Cygwin?
[6:36] <BigBadGhost> I feel like my Pi running RaspBMC is a waste of a Pi
[6:37] <BigBadGhost> Or, wasted potential rather
[6:37] <Assid> ryankarason: a long time ago when i wanted X11 on windows to stream x11 forwarding from my box
[6:37] <ryankarason> depends what you do with it:P
[6:37] <ryankarason> ah, yeah it does good with that
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[6:37] * ryankarason likes running tmux session on pi, so i can attach and tell it to play music out of speakers:)
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[6:41] <Assid> err anyone tryied ajaxplorer ?
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[6:56] <ParkerR> BigBadGhost, Umm How is it wasted?
[6:56] <ParkerR> Raspbmc runs the best out of all of them
[6:57] <BigBadGhost> I mean, there's so much I could be doing with the thing..but it's just sitting there as a media center
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[7:00] <SixtyFold> buy another
[7:01] <ParkerR> BigBadGhost, Hey great media center
[7:01] <BigBadGhost> A good option. Starving college student though.
[7:01] <BigBadGhost> ParkerR: I agree, the thing runs GREAT
[7:01] <SixtyFold> i mean, it's not that powerful, haha there's way more powerful computers being used for similar things indeed
[7:02] <SixtyFold> if it's working great and you're constantly using it as a media center its not a waste at all
[7:02] <BigBadGhost> Roomate is going to China next month, I wonder if I can convince him to bring me one of the new red Pis
[7:02] <SixtyFold> what are the specs?
[7:02] <BigBadGhost> They're just your standard Rev. B, just red pcb
[7:03] <SixtyFold> oh
[7:03] <ParkerR> But only sold in China
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[7:03] <SixtyFold> i still havent bought my rPi yet
[7:04] <SixtyFold> im trying to decide what i want to do
[7:04] <BigBadGhost> ParkerR: Yeah, apparently not allowed to import to EU or US because of the lack of some stickers. Wonder if he'd get in trouble buying one there and just bringing it here
[7:04] <SixtyFold> my friend just bought two of them, one off ebay which was only 3 more dollars than buying from newark b/c the seller wasnt being a douche and then he got his newark one today
[7:04] <ParkerR> BigBadGhost, I dont think so
[7:05] <ParkerR> Product he owns over there
[7:05] <ParkerR> Brings it with him
[7:05] <SixtyFold> might be a good idea to put it in a case first lol
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[7:05] <SixtyFold> might think he's gonna blow up the plane with it just the way it is
[7:05] <SixtyFold> hahahaha
[7:05] <ParkerR> I dont think anybody would stop him...
[7:06] <BigBadGhost> SixtyFold: You know, that's a possibility, I didn't think of that, lol
[7:06] <SixtyFold> as dumb or purposely assholish as the TSA is, who knows
[7:06] <SixtyFold> haha
[7:07] <piney_> shipping from china is cheap. have him ship it back
[7:07] <BigBadGhost> Trying to explain to a less than intelligent person that that little board is actually a computer may be tough
[7:07] <Shaan> hey whats up
[7:07] <SixtyFold> or learn how to build one from scratch with whatever colour circuit board you like
[7:07] <SixtyFold> make a rainbow circuit board
[7:07] <SixtyFold> hahahaha
[7:08] <BigBadGhost> Heck, if they made kits, I'd do it in a heartbeat
[7:08] <piney_> raspibow
[7:08] <ParkerR> Or altoids tin
[7:08] <Shaan> i wish someone would put truecrypt in the repo
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[7:45] <xiambax> Shaan: You know what true crypt really is right?
[7:45] <xiambax> Shaan: shits run by the government
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[7:46] <ParkerR> xiambax, ...
[7:46] <xiambax> Its true
[7:47] <ParkerR> So what is Truecrypt really?
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[7:47] <xiambax> CIA honeypot with a backdoor.
[7:48] <ParkerR> They can have al the porn they want
[7:48] <ParkerR> *all
[7:48] <ParkerR> I dont use it all
[7:48] <xiambax> If someone goes to great lengths to hide something???. they're probably guilty. Thats the mindset anyway
[7:48] <Macer> lol
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[7:49] <xiambax> So what do you do? Give them a platform which you hold all the keys for.
[7:49] <Macer> xiambax: maybe... but you still have to give them the keys :)
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[7:49] <Macer> although.. lost of people use encryption to secure documents
[7:49] <Macer> like i scan documents onto an encrypted share on my synology
[7:50] <xiambax> Security by obscurity. MicroSD cards are pretty easy to hide these days.
[7:50] <Macer> and keep the keys on a truecrypt encrypted thumb drive
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[7:50] <Macer> xiambax: yeah but if they are found then....
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[7:50] <Macer> kind of defeats the purpose heh
[7:50] <piney_> obscurity is not security
[7:50] <ParkerR> Macer, But then what if you lose the key for the flash drive? :P
[7:50] <Macer> i doubt shoving a microsd into the panel of your door :)
[7:50] <Macer> ParkerR: it uses passphrase :-P
[7:50] <Macer> that is a long sentence
[7:51] <xiambax> You don't need true crypt to have good encryption
[7:51] <Macer> personally i think encryption is a good thing. not everybody who uses it does so for their collection of child pornography
[7:51] <Macer> xiambax: didn't say you did... but it was a good cross OS option for a thumb drive
[7:51] <piney_> i just do it the old fashioned way on a per file basis. bcrypt / scrypt work for me
[7:52] <Macer> for those of us that use more than 1 os ;)
[7:53] <xiambax> It was just a info tidbit thats all
[7:53] <xiambax> CIA = TrueCrypt
[7:53] <ParkerR> This = crap?
[7:53] <ParkerR> Possibly
[7:54] <Macer> xiambax: well good thing the fbi investigates domestic issues
[7:54] <Macer> doubt the cia and fbi share haha
[7:54] <piney_> lol
[7:54] <xiambax> Haha. the NSA and CIA generally deal with tech related stuff
[7:54] <Macer> i thought it was funny when the fbi couldn't crack an android pattern lock on some drug dealers phone
[7:55] <Macer> seriously lost a lot of faith in their investigative resources :)
[7:55] <xiambax> The NSA is pretty insane
[7:55] <hyperair> xiambax: wait a sec, truecrypt has a backdoor?
[7:55] <xiambax> hyperair: Thats the word on the street
[7:55] <hyperair> it's open source, surely someone would have noticed?
[7:55] <Macer> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/fbi-android-phone-lock
[7:55] <xiambax> Not entirely.
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[7:56] <hyperair> well the word on the street is also that openssh and the freebsd kernel has backdoors planted by NSA
[7:56] <Macer> i mean there are a thousand ways to get access to an android phone if it isn't encrypted.. and they got stumped at the pattern lock lol
[7:56] <Macer> FBI FTW!
[7:56] <xiambax> Yes, Windows also has NSA keys.
[7:57] * _elek puts a sheet of tin foil on top of head
[7:57] <Macer> elek: lol
[7:57] <Macer> don't drink tap water
[7:57] <hyperair> Macer: perhaps they wanted to play dumb so that they don't reveal that they have such a capability?
[7:58] <Macer> hyperair: doubt it
[7:58] <hyperair> Macer: internal storage should be de-solderable, shouldn't it?
[7:58] <Macer> hyperair: well.. not only that but a pattern lock on an android phone means it wasn't encrypted
[7:58] <Macer> since encryption requires a pin :)
[7:58] <xiambax> ANYWHO
[7:58] <hyperair> yes, that's quite right.
[7:59] <Macer> they could have just used adb and gotten access
[7:59] <xiambax> I ordered 3 more pis today
[7:59] <hyperair> hmm, if only android could generate keys based on the pattern. :-)
[7:59] <xiambax> I regret not buying a switch while I was in Van
[8:00] <Macer> i mean... a pattern lock? you see shows like ncis and shake your heaad
[8:00] <Macer> talk about hollywood lying to the masses :)
[8:00] <xiambax> The pattern lock locks the phone after so many incorrect patterns
[8:00] <xiambax> if he had disk encryption
[8:01] <xiambax> it would default to a long string after awhile
[8:01] <xiambax> my password is 15 to 20 characters long
[8:01] <xiambax> Which is of a decent size
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[8:09] <steve_rox> pattern lock? makeing a star trek like transporter out of a pi?
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[8:12] <hyperair> xiambax: i actually find the password lock ridiculously hard to type in when you're in a rush.
[8:13] <xiambax> Yeah its kind of a pain if your phone locks all the time.
[8:13] <xiambax> Some corporations make you do it.
[8:13] <xiambax> Buddy usta work for ATT and their sec policy was that when his phone locked he had to type in his password.
[8:13] <xiambax> and his password was a mess of stuff
[8:13] <hyperair> heh
[8:13] <xiambax> kind of a pain
[8:14] <hyperair> yeah, secure passwords work really well with a physical keyboard, but with a phone keyboard, it's really annoying.
[8:14] <hyperair> it's not like you can dig out the OTG cable and a USB keyboard each time you want to unlock your phone though.
[8:15] <xiambax> Get a Q10 ;)
[8:15] <hyperair> q10?
[8:15] <xiambax> I ordered my Z10 today actually.
[8:15] <piney_> such a pain logging in to some websites from my phone cause of my passwords
[8:15] <hyperair> ah, blackberry.
[8:16] <hyperair> actually it would be really nice if your phone just prompted you for a password to decrypt while booting up, and after that lets you use the pattern
[8:16] <xiambax> I have played with a few Z10s the past two days.
[8:16] <xiambax> Totally blown away. Blackberry did exactly what they needed to do. Its really nice
[8:16] <piney_> kind of late though
[8:17] <xiambax> Its never to late in this landscape.
[8:17] <xiambax> In a few years when their eco system is grown. It won't be too late.
[8:17] <piney_> they made the smartphone business, then didn't bother keeping up. hard to re-gain what you lost
[8:17] <xiambax> Yes they should have listened years ago??? but people are getting sick of iPhone and all the loyalists will go back
[8:17] <xiambax> BB is still popular in Arab and Spanish countries too.
[8:18] <xiambax> piney_: I think they learnt their lesson. They will do fine. Trust me
[8:18] * hyperair is pretty happy with CM10.1
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[8:19] <xiambax> I did the CM thing for awhile with my nexus s but found it lacked a lot of feature rich things my samsung or htc rom had
[8:19] <xiambax> like email clients etc..
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[8:19] <hyperair> email clients?!
[8:19] <hyperair> isn't it the same client?
[8:20] <hyperair> actually come to think of it, nexus should be using AOSP, shouldn't it?
[8:20] <hyperair> my CM10.1 comes with a mail client, and i've got gmail heree
[8:20] <hyperair> here*
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[8:22] <xiambax> No the samsung email client is different so is the htc one
[8:23] <xiambax> Honestly I sit in front of a computer at work and then when I get home. I use my phone for instagram, facebook, email, and the odd text and call.
[8:23] <xiambax> The new Ubuntu phone hits home if i can dock it and have a full desktop
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[8:31] <ParkerR> xiambax, I think thats what they are going for
[8:31] <ParkerR> All in my eyes no phone could ever replace a full desktop
[8:31] <xiambax> ParkerR: is really nice
[8:31] <ParkerR> *Although
[8:32] <xiambax> Its doable.
[8:32] <ParkerR> *never
[8:32] <xiambax> I think thats what microsoft tried to do with tablets and windows 8
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[8:34] <ParkerR> A bit
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[8:37] <Qasaur> Hey
[8:38] <ParkerR> Hey
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[8:50] <Assid> argh
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[8:50] <Assid> so.. im stuckj trying to get a solution
[8:51] <Assid> so im thinking i;ll just use my raspberry pi for a "backup solution" which is effectively some sort of "dropbox"
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[8:52] <Assid> now while i want my windows devices to "sync" automagically.. i also want to be able to access it from my android phone
[8:53] <Assid> anyone setup something on these lines?
[8:53] <xiambax> owncloud?
[8:53] <xiambax> http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Owncloud-dropbox-clone/
[8:53] <Assid> i am planning to allow my other house members backup their crap too
[8:54] <Assid> i tried owncloud.. and it wasnt really nice to me.. pretty darn slow sync
[8:54] <Assid> and thats with a full fledged pc with iis and everything
[8:54] <xiambax> If you were using a mac i know of some solutions but i dunno about windows as I am not familiar with it
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[8:54] <Assid> err my bro uses a mac and im gonna give him sync access as well
[8:55] <xiambax> http://kremalicious.com/ubuntu-as-mac-file-server-and-time-machine-volume/ this tutorial works great for macs
[8:55] <xiambax> and outlines how to setup a system to act as a time capsule
[8:56] <Assid> aah if i wanted to setup a dedicated box.. i'd setup freenas :D
[8:56] <xiambax> I should make a time caplse and shairport distro. Call is ApplePI
[8:56] <SixtyFold> so is the point of that to turn a rPi into a time machine for mac OSX?
[8:56] <SixtyFold> nm
[8:56] <SixtyFold> question answered
[8:56] <SixtyFold> :P
[8:56] <SixtyFold> hehe
[8:56] <xiambax> s/it
[8:57] <xiambax> Yes...
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[8:57] <SixtyFold> you should
[8:57] <SixtyFold> not because i want to use it, but because it would PISS THE FUCK out of Apple
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[8:57] <SixtyFold> and i would be quite happy with that
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[8:58] * Assid needs to think on how to do this.. which is nice and quick as well
[8:58] * xiambax once worked for Apple
[8:58] <SixtyFold> because as a company, apple are the worst kind of people, their products, depending on what ones are awesome
[8:58] <SixtyFold> but as a company, theyre a bunch of evil pricks
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[10:14] <aDro> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/08/24/the-gamepi-raspberry-pi-game-boy-case-mod-piday-raspberrypi-raspberry_pi/
[10:14] <aDro> This is just great
[10:16] <xiambax> :O
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[10:17] <FR^2> aDro: indeed :)
[10:17] <xiambax> Thats pretty rad! Someone should do it with a clear one
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[10:21] <SixtyFold> hook the rPi up to the screen in a game boy colour after gutting the rest and play UT99 on it, haha
[10:21] <SixtyFold> oh, nm, i didnt see the link yet
[10:22] <xiambax> Is there a list of cheap mini lcd displays available for the pi?
[10:22] <SixtyFold> mcm i think has a few
[10:22] <aDro> I have an old Color gameboy
[10:22] <aDro> :|
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[10:23] <SixtyFold> see if you can hook it up, haha itd be cool if the controllers and all would work
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> lots of the little 3" "Reversing monitors" work on composite video.
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> there's no reason the controllers won't work - I suspect the gameboy ones are different to this though, https://projects.drogon.net/nes-controller-on-the-raspberry-pi/ however it's only 8 buttons. Simples.
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> that's using composite video I suspect.
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[10:28] <gordonDrogon> Ga. Why don't people use tripods for video!
[10:29] <azk> they don't have them I guess?
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> the little gorilla grippers are perfect for little cameras like the lumix he has.
[10:30] <aDro> I would love to have a composit lcd screen
[10:30] <aDro> A little one
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[10:31] <gordonDrogon> http://www.johnlewis.com/230429537/Product.aspx
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[10:31] <gordonDrogon> aDro, car reversing monitors - that's what they are.
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> https://www.adafruit.com/products/913
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> first ebay hit: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-3-LCD-Car-Monitor-for-CCTV-Reversing-Rearview-Camera-/300548723239
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> cheaper too.
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> but that's the sort of thing to look for.
[10:33] <aDro> Nice
[10:33] <aDro> I am looking for something like that
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=car+reversing+monitor
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[10:34] <gordonDrogon> I'd buy from amazon myself, however... a good selection there.
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[10:45] <ech0s7> hi all
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[10:45] <Davespice> halfords were selling one really cheaply too actually, I saw one for about ??15 - but I think this was a limited offer
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[10:59] <xiambax> http://www.chrismarion.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=170:firehero-3&catid=43:pyrotechnics&Itemid=226 <--- this dude is awesome!
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[11:03] <Davespice> xiambax: is there a Pi somewhere in amongst all his gear then?
[11:03] <xiambax> scroll down there is a picture
[11:03] <xiambax> arduino and pi controlled.
[11:04] <xiambax> The whole thing is pretty impressive!
[11:04] <xiambax> But anything with fire or explosions usually does the trick for me
[11:14] <Davespice> crikey moses, thats awesome actually :)
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[11:24] <xiambax> I'm off to bed, 8am conference call. Lame sauce.
[11:25] <gordonjcp> xiambax: you've missed it, it's 10:25
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[11:28] <isasha> slight snafu: http://imgur.com/a/8UqWm
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[11:39] <steve_rox> i hate them cheap usb conectors :-P
[11:39] <steve_rox> damn cost cutting
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[11:42] <SixtyFold> i love this enclosure
[11:42] <SixtyFold> www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-Model-Revision-512MB/dp/B009SQQF9C/ref=pd_bxgy_e_img_y
[11:42] <SixtyFold> the green one
[11:42] <SixtyFold> 13.90 tho
[11:42] <SixtyFold> the more ugly colours are like 11.99 lol
[11:42] <rm> RS'es "Clear" enclosure is cheap
[11:43] <rm> and SUPER awesome
[11:43] <rm> really, you don't anything else
[11:43] <SixtyFold> RS?
[11:43] <SixtyFold> clear would be fine, who is RS?
[11:43] <rm> http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/product/rs/raspberry-pi-type-b-case-clear/caseclr.aspx
[11:43] <rm> "who is RS"...
[11:43] <SixtyFold> how much is s&h?
[11:44] <SixtyFold> s&h for me is free from amzon
[11:45] <gordonjcp> SixtyFold: electronics and electrical supplier
[11:45] <gordonjcp> SixtyFold: they're not cheap but they're pretty good, although lots of stuff has to be ordered in if you want to pick it up in store
[11:45] <isasha> is anyone having issues with ordering from farnell?
[11:46] <gordonjcp> I just order it through the workshop account
[11:46] <gordonjcp> isasha: are you using a debit card?
[11:46] <SixtyFold> what state is the store?
[11:46] <gordonjcp> SixtyFold: what do you mean?
[11:46] <SixtyFold> you said 'in store'?
[11:46] <isasha> well i personally didn't order it, but there was a slight snafu when we tried to order 16 raspi's for our local hs
[11:46] <rm> shipping with them is rather interesting
[11:46] <gordonjcp> SixtyFold: yeah, they have trade counters in most biggish cities
[11:46] <rm> its $8.02 for one case, and STILL $8.02 for an order of 10 cases and 10 Pi's
[11:47] <gordonjcp> rm: probably comes in the same size box...
[11:47] <rm> in fact it seems to be flat rate up to 100/100 :)
[11:47] <rm> not sure if it's correct
[11:47] <gordonjcp> isasha: Farnell's online ordering freaks out if you use a debit card
[11:47] <gordonjcp> isasha: you can pay over the phone though
[11:47] <isasha> nah they told our guy that he can't have the normal price because he's not a business customer
[11:48] <isasha> so instead they want us to go to their only other distributor in the country which sells the pi for 25$ more
[11:48] <gordonjcp> strange
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[11:48] <gordonjcp> I get the same prices when I order for myself or for work
[11:48] <isasha> yeah well you're probably in the US or UK
[11:49] <SixtyFold> isasha - what country?
[11:49] <isasha> switzerland
[11:50] <gordonjcp> seems odd that they're pricing stuff in dollars then
[11:50] <SixtyFold> everything about the whole deal with rPi gets weird with a lot of places and money
[11:51] <SixtyFold> isasha, you could check out ebay and see if you can find someone who will ship cheap to switzerland, idk if that would be cheaper for you though
[11:51] <isasha> nah but we'll figure something out
[11:52] <SixtyFold> i know some people on ebay are being really good about it and only marking it up literally 3 bux
[11:52] <double-you> isasha: you can't order from RS components?
[11:52] <isasha> There is one member who's company has a business account, and he may be able to order it for the normal price
[11:52] <SixtyFold> like 47 usd with shipping and handling free in the US of course
[11:52] <isasha> I haven't looked in particular at RS components
[11:52] <SixtyFold> which if you factor in the s&h at newark or most anywhere thats only 3 bux more
[11:53] <double-you> I ordered to germany for 38 euro
[11:53] <SixtyFold> doube-you - total price?
[11:53] <isasha> Oh and ebay has minimum 60$, when we are supposed to get it for 34$+shipping from farnell
[11:53] <double-you> 38 Euro, yes
[11:54] <SixtyFold> isasha - ebay would be a min 60 usd for shipping to switzerland you mean
[11:54] <SixtyFold> with the rPi too i mean ofc
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[11:55] <rm> RS are okay, except I wish they would ship with a tracking number
[11:55] <rm> not fun waiting for an $100 package untracked
[11:55] <SixtyFold> double-you - what you paid is exactly what ive been thinking about paying on amazon, ive seen it for 50.50 usd on amazon 2 day delivery which is just a little less than 38 euros
[11:56] <SixtyFold> rm, whatd you order, all just pi's or accessories too?
[11:56] <rm> SixtyFold, I ordered 2 Pi's and 2 cases
[11:56] <SixtyFold> how much was shipping?
[11:56] <rm> $8
[11:56] <SixtyFold> ok
[11:56] <rm> like I said above they seem to have flat rate shipping
[11:56] <rm> no matter how much you order, and to which country
[11:57] <rm> http://authenticate.rsdelivers.com/
[11:57] <SixtyFold> should be agood place for isasha then
[11:57] <SixtyFold> why are class 4 sdcards soooo expensive at these places though
[11:58] <SixtyFold> you can get a class 10 8gb sdcard for the same price as the 4gb class 4 theyre selling
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[12:03] <Kisume> Sigh. My WiFi adapter shuts down my Pi once I plug it in...
[12:03] <Kisume> Seems I need a powered hub.
[12:03] <Gr33n3gg> oh nice, a camera module
[12:03] <discorpia> Kisume: yeah that's the standard behaviour if you overdraw current from the usb port
[12:04] <Kisume> I'm afraid so!
[12:04] <Kisume> Oh well.
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[12:05] <discorpia> Kisume: you can have a look here; http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters but the vast majority of wifi dongles requires powered usb hub
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[12:13] <isasha> 3 weeks lead time? that kinda sorta sucks :/
[12:14] <SixtyFold> only 3?
[12:14] <SixtyFold> hehe
[12:14] <SixtyFold> 29 days from newark
[12:15] <isasha> ok we really need farnell :)
[12:15] <SixtyFold> though my friend got one from newark after only 7 days
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[12:15] <SixtyFold> from newark
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[12:45] <Ace2cat> yo
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[12:45] <Ace2cat> anyone here?
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[12:46] <isasha> yes
[12:47] <Ace2cat> im having some problems with SDL2.0 working with GLES2.0 and broadcom
[12:48] <SixtyFold> does bluetooth work on rPi well?
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[12:48] <Ace2cat> I got SDL2.0 compiled with libraryes and include EGL / GLES2 path are also fine
[12:48] <mjr> I wonder if that should even work, the Pi's GLES doesn't quite integrate as usual...
[12:49] <mjr> SixtyFold, it works just about as well as the same dongle on another linux pc :]
[12:49] <SixtyFold> figured so, just making sure mjr, before i buy a dongle for it
[12:49] <mjr> bluetooth dongles shouldn't take too much power for the pi, I think
[12:50] <SixtyFold> i have a logitech k810, so it'd be perfect with that
[12:50] <mjr> since even some wifi ones work, and bt is lower power
[12:50] <Ace2cat> well since it compiled and got the libraries i thought they will be fine
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[12:50] <Ace2cat> but as soon as im doing init of window render and texture (SDL2.0) I get glGetError 0??500 that's all
[12:51] <mjr> this may be helpful http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=128327
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[12:54] <Ace2cat> Thank you mjr !
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[14:06] <TLoFP> chromium --type=service
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[14:50] <Viper-7> how can i get an FFT (well, spectum analyser) of the audio output (not HDMI) of the pi ?!?
[14:51] <Viper-7> im working on getting mpd + a fft library working, but looks like i need to write my own app to connect them and give me a simple output
[14:53] <Viper-7> i was hoping some media player would give me a nice simple plugin interface, but none like supporting visualizations when running in console mode
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[14:59] <isasha> yo guys
[14:59] <isasha> i'm having a bit of an issue ssh ing into my raspi
[15:00] <isasha> basically it's not recognizing my password
[15:01] <nid0> obvious questions 1, 2 and 3 are are you using the right user/password, are you really really sure, and did you mess with the passwd or shadow files
[15:02] <isasha> no I have a feeling that I took someone else's raspi yesterday my local hackerspace, and the default password was still on
[15:02] <isasha> then I connected it to a network which is connected via domain name to the internet
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[15:03] <TLoFP> I am getting large delays on the RPI, on the order of 10 ms
[15:04] <TLoFP> is there anyway to reduce these lags?
[15:04] <ShiftPlusOne> doing what?
[15:04] <arcanescu> get a better sd card
[15:04] <arcanescu> if ur doing alot of read/write
[15:04] <TLoFP> In my example I am toggeling a pin every 2 uS or so, but every now and then there is a lag time of 10 ms where the pin is either stuck high or low
[15:04] <TLoFP> ShiftPlusOne: ^^
[15:05] <Viper-7> TLoFP: welcome to linux
[15:05] <arcanescu> TLoFP: if its a program change the priority to RT?
[15:05] <TLoFP> will increasing my proccess priority help?
[15:05] <arcanescu> yes
[15:05] <Viper-7> help, but not fix
[15:05] <TLoFP> can I elevate it above system priority?
[15:05] <Viper-7> linux isnt rtos
[15:06] <Viper-7> if the kernel needs time, it takes it
[15:06] <Viper-7> regardless of priorities
[15:06] <arcanescu> but you can assign it RT priority to kind of make it RT
[15:06] <double-you> oh my edimax wifi dongle has arrived
[15:06] <ShiftPlusOne> I think something like bare bones or FreeRTOS might be what you're after.
[15:06] <TLoFP> on the RPi?
[15:06] <arcanescu> but then why would you need a Pi then ... get a cheap PIC32 platform costs 15pounds or somethign then freertos on it
[15:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, doesn't freertos run on the pi now?
[15:07] <arcanescu> ive used free rtos on a pic works great.
[15:07] <Weaselweb> there are rt-preempt patches for linux which make them pretty hard realtime (depending on load of course)
[15:07] <TLoFP> RPi is faster and has ethernet, so it is the chepest platform at 35 USD
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[15:07] <Viper-7> arcanescu: or a $0.30 16-bit msp430
[15:07] <ShiftPlusOne> TLoFP, look at STM32 F4 Discovery
[15:07] <arcanescu> TLoFP: pic32 platform with ethernet costs same... ive used it
[15:07] <arcanescu> Viper-7: exactly :)
[15:09] <ShiftPlusOne> There's nothing wrong with using linux and raspberry pi though, as long as you know what y ou're doing. Like someone said, there are RT patches.
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[15:10] <Viper-7> raspberry pi`s love companion chips for any real-time interaction
[15:10] <mgottschlag> also, one can connect a microcontroller to the pi to combine their advantages
[15:10] <TLoFP> thats the problem, I do NOT know what I am doing
[15:10] <ShiftPlusOne> I actually like the micocontroller idea the most so far
[15:10] <TLoFP> Also the afformentioned STM32 runs at 168 MHz
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[15:11] <Viper-7> eg im talking to a msp430 which outputs DMX at 250kbps, from the pi, at 2mbps
[15:11] <Viper-7> and sending differential output, instead of sequentially sending every channel every frame
[15:12] <TLoFP> if I am offloading data from ADCs at a rate of 16 MHz -> Do some Processing -> Offload at 16 MBit/s, I would be afraid that is not enough headroom
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[15:12] <mjr> I'd first try adding a call to sched_setscheduler into the program, setting its scheduling policy to one of the (soft) realtime ones and seeing if that's good enough for your purposes. That's not hard realtime, but it's the easiest thing to try if you don't know what you're doing ;)
[15:12] <TLoFP> mjr: thanks
[15:12] <TLoFP> also the problem with these other solutions is that programming them scares the shit out of me
[15:13] <TLoFP> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/STM32F4DISCOVERY/497-11455-ND/2711743?adpos=1t1&WT.term=stm32f4discovery&WT.mc_id=STMicroelectronics&WT.medium=cpc&WT.campaign=STMicroelectronics&WT.srch=1&WT.content=text&type=Exact&WT.source=google&cshift_ck=b1b0a1eb-a536-44e9-bf3b-fa6988bef051csjeVwt7cK&network=g
[15:13] <TLoFP> are you kidding? 15 USD ?
[15:13] <TLoFP> The Chip itself costs 13 USD on mouser
[15:13] <Viper-7> ive got plenty of IO pins left, only takes 1 to output to 512 devices >:)
[15:14] <TLoFP> why so cheap?
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[15:15] <Assid> err cna i use a non-self powered drive for an external drive on the pi ?
[15:16] <ShiftPlusOne> TLoFP, so that you can try the chip and then have your company order 1000s of them for the next project, I think.
[15:16] <Viper-7> costs $0.56 for the msp430s i use, and thats if you only buy one
[15:16] <mjr> Assid, no (without a powered hub at least)
[15:16] <TLoFP> yea, but I am used to evaluation kits from analog and linear costing on the order of 200 to 500 USD
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[15:16] <Assid> mjr: im thinking of the best way to setup my "backup" solution
[15:17] <TLoFP> ShiftPlusOne: how would you add ethernet to that board?
[15:17] <Hodapp> flufmnstr: you PMed yesterday but then my VPS went down. Did you ever reply back?
[15:17] <ShiftPlusOne> TLoFP, There is a 'shield' for it, but I think a a magjack is probably all it needs.
[15:17] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't used ethernet on it though, so no idea.
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[15:18] <TLoFP> But this isn't really different from say a PicChip Uno32, is it ?
[15:19] <ShiftPlusOne> no idea
[15:19] <ShiftPlusOne> different in what way?
[15:21] <TLoFP> I am saying it is NOT different
[15:21] <TLoFP> seems like its just a 32 bit micro witha bunch of IO
[15:21] <TLoFP> I dunno, I am too noob
[15:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I know, I am asking in what way are you worried that it might be different? I haven't used the uno32, or many other dev boards for that matter, so I don't know, but it might help to clarify the question, that's all.
[15:23] <TLoFP> No I was thinking that if this dev board you mentioned is a good way to go, then I think the Uno32 could accomplish the same
[15:23] <TLoFP> I am just scared of not being able to program these things
[15:24] <mgottschlag> well, the uno32 doesn't seem to have usb, but otherwise it should work
[15:24] <TLoFP> uControllers representa new world to me
[15:24] <mgottschlag> I mean, "real" usb
[15:24] <TLoFP> true
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[15:24] <ShiftPlusOne> You could look at some example code
[15:24] <TLoFP> yea, I just saw it, that is really exciting
[15:25] <ShiftPlusOne> I am told they provide easy to use libraries
[15:25] <TLoFP> do you know if that is the most powerful board they offer?
[15:25] <Viper-7> nobody on audio FFT on RPi?
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[15:26] <Viper-7> a guy on youtube shows himself doing it, exactly what i want, but provides no links / reference / background / etc
[15:26] <ShiftPlusOne> example code here: http://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadBody/51670-102-1-265477/STM32F4DIS-BB%20Software%20Examples.zip
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[15:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll check
[15:27] <Viper-7> ShiftPlusOne: talking to TLoFP ?
[15:27] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, sorry
[15:27] <ShiftPlusOne> (for being ambiguous)
[15:28] <Viper-7> ;) np
[15:30] <ShiftPlusOne> TLoFP, Yeah, looks like the F4 is the most powerful
[15:31] <Assid> man there are no enclosures available for my pi :(
[15:31] <DeliriumTremens> wat
[15:31] <ShiftPlusOne> ???
[15:31] <Assid> not in india atleast
[15:31] <TLoFP> ShiftPlusOne: Thanks alot for the link btw
[15:31] <DeliriumTremens> make your own?
[15:31] <ShiftPlusOne> np
[15:31] <TLoFP> I think ill byte the bullet and get one in
[15:31] <DeliriumTremens> do they sell legos in india?
[15:32] <Assid> i was hoping for a pre-made well cut one
[15:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Assid, why can't you order from overseas?
[15:32] <IT_Sean> Assid: you can still order one from elsewhere.
[15:32] <Assid> yeah i guess
[15:32] <Assid> lemme chek
[15:32] <Assid> hmm.. thinking of running owncloud on the pi...
[15:33] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd recommend you stop thinking of that. =P (It's slow)
[15:33] <Assid> hmm
[15:33] <ShiftPlusOne> There are php accelerators you can use to make it usable but meh
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[15:34] <Assid> so how else can i setup a dropbox type system.. using the pi
[15:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Depends on what you need. For me, ssh and nfs would be more than enough.
[15:35] <Assid> nah i want an actual folder type sync..
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[15:36] <Assid> also i would like to gain access to it from my phone (android)
[15:36] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know what all the options are, but there has to be something.
[15:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Owncloud might not be too bad if you're using the android client though
[15:36] <FR^2> owncloud is nice :)
[15:36] <Assid> android client is just one of them
[15:37] <Assid> FR^2: but on a pi ?>
[15:37] <FR^2> Assid: Not much to do for that application... owncloud on php on lighttpd with a mysql (or mariadb) doesn't take much.
[15:37] <Assid> 10 seconds for 10mb and 3 mins for a 350mb file
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[15:38] <faLUCE> hi. I installed xbmc on raspbian by following these instructions: http://michael.gorven.za.net/raspberrypi/xbmc . However, I can't add addons on it. It doesn't show the addons list. In particular, I would like to install the youtube plugin. how can I do?
[15:38] <ShiftPlusOne> except that php times out with the default lighttpd and nginx settings when using owncloud
[15:38] <nid0> owncloud works fine on a pi
[15:38] <Assid> nid0: you ever sync'd lots of tiny files and some really big ones
[15:38] <ShiftPlusOne> nid0, with a php accelerator of some sort?
[15:39] <nid0> ShiftPlusOne: it would help, but i've had it running fine with default nginx and apache installs
[15:39] <ShiftPlusOne> In my experience, owncloud was terrible =/
[15:40] <nid0> its not the most amazing system ever but for an out of the box "setup your own syncing/streaming cloud" piece of software its pretty much the best going
[15:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, it looks good, but was terribly slow on the pi.
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[15:41] <Assid> ShiftPlusOne: when did you last use it
[15:41] <Assid> nid0: what kinda speeds were you gettng
[15:41] <ShiftPlusOne> about 4 months ago I would guess
[15:41] <Assid> oh thats not too long ago
[15:41] <Grievre> I wonder if I can get the UART on the raspberry pi to receive DMX512
[15:42] <Grievre> linux has a way to detect break conditions incoming on a terminal but it's given to you out of band
[15:42] <ShiftPlusOne> and I am not talking about the transfer speeds, but php calls. So the actual site was terrible. I don't have experience with other clients for it though.
[15:42] <nid0> Assid, I cant say I bothered syncing many really tiny files, I just tested general navigation through it, syncing (probably music files) and streaming, and all worked fine
[15:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Grievre, aren't there some cheap dmx512->uart chips?
[15:43] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: Er, in terms of the signaling yeah, but the protocol no
[15:43] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: DMX512 is basically serial, except that each "packet" is preceded by a space and then mark
[15:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I saw something called something like opendmx I think and there was a chip like that in there. I am not too familiar with the protocol though.
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[15:43] <Assid> ok so i have an idea
[15:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I know the basics.
[15:43] <Assid> before i actually buy another hard drive
[15:44] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: which can deifnitely be detected at the hardware level but I think linux's abstraction kind of hides it from you
[15:44] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: and since the raspbian kernel has the serial driver compiled straight in I don't think it'll be easy to modify
[15:44] <Assid> i'll try the pi with lighttpd+php+mysql+owncloud.. with a USB flash drive.. and if it works fine.. then i invest in a proper hard drive
[15:45] <ShiftPlusOne> So... you don't want to use proper uart serial, but to actually do dmx512 directly?
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[15:46] <Assid> and for my emails/thunderbird.. i'll just use rsync to backup my data
[15:46] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: ?
[15:47] <Assid> actually thats a better idea.. i use a flash drive for "sync" stuff (owncloud based) and use an external drive for "backups" rsync
[15:47] <ShiftPlusOne> I have a suspicion I don't know what I am talking about or what you're trying to do exactly =p
[15:47] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: dmx512 /is/ "proper uart serial", just a particular funny type of it that linux might not deal with very well
[15:47] <darknite> is owncloud a webapp or a dist?
[15:47] <Assid> does that make sense?
[15:47] <Grievre> the hardware can definitely do it
[15:47] <Assid> darkbasic: webapp
[15:47] <Grievre> would be extremely surprised if it couldn't
[15:47] <darknite> Assid: aha, cool. found it now, will read, thanks
[15:49] <Assid> hmm.. will a 5v 0.7A do the job for a pi ??? it doesnt really say what its true power requirements are for the model B
[15:49] <mjr> it should if you don't have usb devices powered from it
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Grievre, ah, then I don't really know what uart serial really is then. Worst case scenario though, you write your own driver I guess.
[15:50] <Assid> will have a usb flash drive connected for now
[15:50] <Assid> and lan cable..
[15:50] <Assid> thats t
[15:51] <Assid> mjr: if theres no mouse/keyboard.. should be alrite right ?
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[15:52] <Assid> err bbiab.. getting kicked outta office..
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[15:53] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: basically what makes a UART serial line different from just a plain old logic signal is that the clock re-synchronizes at the beginning of each frame
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[15:53] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: you can put arbitrary pauses between the bytes and it'll still work
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[15:53] <Grievre> the receiver's clock restarts when it sees the start bit
[15:54] <jakeri> hi
[15:54] <jakeri> iwas thinking if it is possible to install dalvik on raspbian
[15:54] <jakeri> to run android apps
[15:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Grievre, after a bit of research, I think my mistake was thinking of uart as rs232 at a lower voltage... so a bit of stupid of my behalf there =p
[15:55] <jakeri> or if there is a good grooveshark client for raspbian
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[15:55] <Qasaur> hey
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[15:57] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: Well once you use a transceiver chip to turn the differential pair in DMX into a single wire, it's /almost/ rs232
[15:57] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: in fact it's rs485 to begin with
[15:57] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[15:58] <Grievre> although it uses a much higher datarate than RS232 generally supports
[15:58] <Grievre> usually over a real serial cable you don't go higher than 115200, dmx is at 250000
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[16:18] <arcanescu> any ideas when the PI camera will be up for grabs?
[16:18] <IT_Sean> "soon"
[16:18] <mjr> as Liz said on the web, probably not for a month, possibly not for several
[16:18] <IT_Sean> beyond that... no.
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[16:19] <arcanescu> i only asked cuz of the "soon" bit
[16:19] <arcanescu> soon is more of a perspective thing really
[16:19] <IT_Sean> true
[16:20] <IT_Sean> but, considering how long the camera module has been in the works... i'd say 'several months' qualifies as 'soon' at this point.
[16:21] <arcanescu> hmmm....guess would have to go with cheap webcams for now
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[16:42] <Grievre> Well that's annoying
[16:42] <Grievre> linux won't let me set arbitrary baud rates on the uart
[16:43] <jakeri> by the way is there some kind of list of installed programs available in raspbian
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[16:43] <jakeri> kinda like in windows control panel the add / remove thingy
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> the baud rates are fixed in linux (and most unixes)
[16:44] <ShiftPlusOne> jakeri, dpkg --get-selections ?
[16:44] <mjr> dpkg -l lists installed packages
[16:44] <mjr> dpkg -L package lists a package's files
[16:44] <jakeri> thanks :)
[16:44] <mjr> don't know if raspbian has a gui frontend for dpkg
[16:44] <pronto> potato -bake bakes you a potato
[16:45] <ShiftPlusOne> if you want something like 'add /remove thingy' you might want to install synaptic
[16:45] <mjr> synaptic is one of those, yes
[16:45] <mjr> probably the thing to get if you want a gui
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> dselect ftw :)
[16:46] <mjr> *spontaneous vomit*
[16:46] <mjr> 'scuse me
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> old habits die hard. it still works for me.
[16:46] <hsp> has anyone compiled xfce 4.10 for raspbian?
[16:48] <jakeri> its weird how i've forgot totally everything about linux in few years :|
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[16:49] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: why do you state on your page that SPI min speed is 500 kHz, I seem to have it running at about 4kHz ?
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[16:52] <Viper-7> ive been told the raspberry pi i/o pins are easy to kill, but also that they are current limited to 8mA by default
[16:52] <Viper-7> they should be safe and fine, as long as you dont exceed 3.3v no?
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[16:54] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, that's probably ok - that's just the slowest I tested it to.
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[16:54] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, they are not current limited at all.
[16:55] <Torikun> oi
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, the limits is the current you can pull while the pin maintains sufficient voltage to register a logic 1 to anothe 3.3v device.
[16:56] <Viper-7> so why are there pad_drive settings for pin groups on the bcm2835?
[16:56] <Viper-7> default 8mA, ranges from 1 to 16mA
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[17:00] <Viper-7> also, the internal pull-ups are designed to be shorted to ground, thats why you usually enable them on inputs - not sure if they`re the same as output HIGH from the chip, but i would assume at least output LOW would follow that setting
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> ok - one thing at a time - the internal pull ups and pull downs are for when the pins are in input mode.
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> they're very "weak" somehwere in th eregion of 10K to 60K ...
[17:01] <Viper-7> kk
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> in output mode there are a number of pad drivers you can enable.
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> they are drivers not current limiters - and the default is to allow a pin to source (or sink) up to 8mA while maintaining a logic 1.
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> however the drivers will source much much more, but the output voltage will drop.
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> and you run the risk of burning out the drivers.
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> so what is it that you're trying to do, it is it just to understand the chip?
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[17:06] <gordonjcp> Viper-7: you can stuff more current down an output pin by adjusting that drive setting
[17:06] <gordonjcp> Viper-7: but you have to balance that against the total current that can be sourced by the chip
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[17:08] <gordonDrogon> you can't change the drive settings on individual pins - they're 3 banks of them to cover the entire 56 pins....
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[17:08] <gordonjcp> gordonDrogon: yes
[17:08] <gordonjcp> and you can't set all 56 to be 16mA, IIRC
[17:09] <gordonjcp> well, presumably you *can*, briefly
[17:09] <jakeri> but seriously is there no way of running android apps on raspberry without installing android :| ?
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> you can.
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> well, I have (set all 56 to be 16mA)
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> I think the upper bank are already set to high level too, but it's a while since I looked.
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> I never bother changing them. Not really worth it.
[17:12] <gordonjcp> yeah but did you actually pull the full 900mA from all the pins?
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[17:12] <gordonjcp> and if so, how deeply did the bits of chip package get embedded in the bench?
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[17:13] <Viper-7> so you can safely source AND sink 16mA on all pins once setting all banks to that mode (providing you dont exceed total device limits)
[17:13] <Viper-7> but if you try to drive more, itll do it
[17:14] <Viper-7> so wouldnt it be ok to set it to like 4mA, and direct drive an LED ?
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> the default appears to be 0 3 3 for the pad drivers - that's 2mA for the upper block, 8mA for the middle and lower blocks.
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> the total limits is supposedly 50mA on the 3.3v supply - that's what spare.
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[17:15] <gordonDrogon> However...http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> They're sucking 10mA each.
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> I don't particularly recommend that for a long time though.
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[17:16] <gordonDrogon> I have sucked 35mA out a single pin in the past.
[17:16] <Viper-7> for the LED, or the Pi?
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> again, it's not something I recommend.
[17:16] <Viper-7> im worried about per pin, not totals
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> 17 LEDs at about 10mA each = 170mA
[17:17] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: have you Daniel'ed a Pi yet?
[17:17] <faLUCE> hi. I installed xbmc on raspbian by following these instructions: http://michael.gorven.za.net/raspberrypi/xbmc . However, I can't add addons on it. It doesn't show the addons list. In particular, I would like to install the youtube plugin. how can I do?
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, no!
[17:17] <IT_Sean> Just checking! :p
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> I have rebooted a Pi by shorting a GPIO pin to 0v and turning it on.
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> the pin still works...
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> something else I don't recommend ...
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> I do these so you don't have to ;-)
[17:18] <Viper-7> but if the voltage drops to the right level without exceeding pin or total current limits, lighting, and even dimming an LED by direct connection would be fine?
[17:18] <Hodapp> I noticed by accident that one effective way to reboot a computer, even back to AT power supplies, was to touch the +12VDC or +5VDC rail to ground.
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[17:19] <Viper-7> ive already done so with PWM and simple transistor boosters, but it`d be nice to add some analog style fine tuning too
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, yes.
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> in-general the Pi will directly drive most LEDs without any issues.
[17:19] <IT_Sean> even without a current limit resistor?
[17:20] <IT_Sean> Won't the LED go crispyduck?
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> use a resistor!
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> always with LEDs.
[17:20] <IT_Sean> LOL
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[17:20] <IT_Sean> That's what i thought!
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[17:20] <gordonDrogon> however the time I got 35mA was when I shorted the limiting resistor with my ammeter - just to see what would happen. I suspect I'd have gotten more mA if the LED wasn't there...
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[17:21] <gordonDrogon> LED got very bright, but I didn't measure the voltage over it.
[17:21] <Viper-7> but that was with drive set to 16mA ?
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[17:21] <gordonDrogon> no, 8ma
[17:21] <Viper-7> heh k
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> that was way back - before I discovered the drive settings. (before Gert published it after there was much confusion about the pins having a limiter or not)
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> That bit comes from the secret Broadcom manual that no-one normally gets to see IIRC ...
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[17:23] <Viper-7> yeah, i noticed it wasnt in the datasheet
[17:24] <gordonjcp> IT_Sean: "Daniel'ed"?
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, didn't Daniel drop a blob of solder on his Pi thought?
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> He was the first to publicly ruin a Pi ..
[17:24] <IT_Sean> I use it as a general term for killing a Pi
[17:24] <IT_Sean> He was also the first person to get banned from #raspberrypi
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> I wish I hadn't overvolted my original Pi now, but hey ho..
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> I did give it some abuse ...
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> and it's still going strong!
[17:25] <Viper-7> btw, is there a simple way to use hardware PWM or the GPIO clocks at a slow-ish rate? does bcm2835.c do it?
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi has some facilities to change the PWM clock and to set the GPIO clock.
[17:26] <Viper-7> or even a fast rate? >:D
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> the limit on the gpio clock is 19.2MHz / 2^12
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> so about 4.5KHz.
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[17:28] <Viper-7> 2^12 ?
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> it's a 12-bitwide divider.
[17:28] <Viper-7> so divide by 1?
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> so I suppose 2^12-1 really.
[17:28] <Grievre> are there any limits on what you can set init_uart_clock to?
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, no idea. I've never looked in detail as the standard bored rates are fine for my own purposes...
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, there was talk of setting it to support MIDI rates though, so it may be possible.
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[17:31] <Viper-7> V1 uses the UART , V2 uses the mini-UART ?
[17:31] <Viper-7> on the header
[17:31] <Viper-7> i have a V1 chip & ram, on a V2 board.. somehow
[17:32] <Viper-7> so im guessing the routing will match V2
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> V1? Do you mean the board version? Both Rev 1 and Rev 1 use the same uart.
[17:32] <Viper-7> theres some such change
[17:32] <Viper-7> just the I2C ?
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> on the I2C, but not the uart.
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> an gpio pin 21 -> 27.
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> When you say V1 chip what do you mean? There is only one 'chip' that's been shipped to my knowledge.
[17:35] <gordonjcp> how different are the boards?
[17:35] <gordonjcp> are the pads for the chips the same?
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> to my knowledge they are, but I've not checked in detail.
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[17:36] <gordonDrogon> The Rev 2 board has mounting holes and a bug fix or 2...
[17:36] <gordonjcp> hm, so it shouldn't be too hard to upgrade a 256 to 512?
[17:36] <IT_Sean> ...
[17:36] <IT_Sean> It would still be Quite Difficult
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> virtually impossible unless you have top-quality SMT rework tools.
[17:36] <gordonjcp> gordonDrogon: not really
[17:36] <gordonjcp> the raspi stuff is huge
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> the memory sits on-top of the cpu, so you have to un-solder that leaving the cpu in-place.
[17:36] <Viper-7> http://pastie.org/6088261
[17:37] <gordonjcp> gordonDrogon: easy enough
[17:37] <gordonjcp> just unstick the memory with some hot air
[17:37] <gordonjcp> if the CPU comes off it's just going to need reballed and stuck back down
[17:37] <IT_Sean> gordonjcp: you need specalized equipment to work with the BGA pads
[17:37] <Torikun> how does the memory stick on the CPU? never heard of it
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> people have done it...
[17:37] <gordonjcp> IT_Sean: not very specialised
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[17:37] <jacekowski> not that specialised
[17:38] <IT_Sean> Torikun: it's called POP. Package on Package. the SOC has pads on top of it for the RAM chip
[17:38] * gordonjcp hasn't got BGA reballing stuff *at home*
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, there is a Rev 1.1 board.
[17:38] <Torikun> ah
[17:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Does anyone have a video of them removing the ram and cpu and soldering it back?
[17:38] <Viper-7> also GPIO 27 is in the rev 2 position
[17:38] <jacekowski> big stuff is more complicated
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, yes it is.
[17:38] <Viper-7> yet yeah, 256mb ram, and very early chip revision
[17:38] <gordonjcp> I'd need to take it into work to do it, but it's not a huge job
[17:38] <ShiftPlusOne> If not, then all talk of how easy it is is kind of moot.
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[17:39] <gordonDrogon> and you have to be able to buy the memory in the first place - but I've no idea how easy/hard that is.
[17:39] <Viper-7> like.. 2nd batch chip heh - which doesnt really matter, just seems odd to be on a new board, with a small amount of ram
[17:39] <Viper-7> only just purchased too
[17:39] <Viper-7> from RS
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, does it have made in the UK on it?
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[17:39] <Viper-7> it has nothing
[17:40] <franknbeans> gordonDrogon have you ever messed with rfid
[17:40] <SwK> gordonDrogon: quick question, has WiringPI tacked interupt support?
[17:40] <Torikun> The CPU /memory is that squage black chip in the middle right?
[17:40] <Viper-7> no stickers, stamps, etc
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> franknbeans, nope.
[17:40] <Viper-7> the RS box? not sure
[17:40] <gordonjcp> ShiftPlusOne: to be honest I'd be more inclined to pull apart a broken one first, just to see
[17:40] <Viper-7> probably
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> SwK, yes.
[17:40] <SwK> gordonDrogon: thanks! now to find it heh
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> SwK, look for wiringPiISR ...
[17:40] <Viper-7> dont have it here
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> the revision you have 000f indicates a rev 2 board with 512MB of RAM.
[17:41] <Torikun> Is the black samsung chip in the middle the memory?
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> the memory and the cpu (under it)
[17:42] <Torikun> ok
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> there is a nice picture somewhere..
[17:42] <Torikun> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Model-A.jpg
[17:42] <Torikun> looking there now
[17:42] <mjr> yeah it's a layer cake
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2012-09-21-10.58.22.jpg
[17:43] <Torikun> oh nice
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[17:44] <aDro> My GPU fan on my old box was not spinning, I took it off, cleaned out some dust and the difference is night and day
[17:44] <aDro> It doesn't have a temperature sensor, but the heatsink to my touch is cool, compaired to before when it burned.
[17:44] <Viper-7> Torikun: yes to samsung
[17:44] <Torikun> ty
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> burn: > 45C typically ...
[17:44] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: i have 0002 not 000f
[17:45] <Viper-7> reporting
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, oh. that's supposed to be a Rev 1 board.
[17:45] <Viper-7> yeah, but its not :/
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, but you say it has mounting holes?
[17:45] <Viper-7> yep
[17:45] <Viper-7> 2 of em
[17:46] <SwK> gordonDrogon: ${wiringPI-git-root}/wiringPi/wiringPiISR.c , bottom of the file I seem to see a fprintf thats truncated??? in the int wiringPiISR() function??? am I cross eyed or is the file from git buggered?
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> there were a number of Rev 1.1 boards made - but I don't know of they have mounting holes. They had the polyfuses removed and the 3.3v chip bug fixed.
[17:46] <Viper-7> it sucks to have 256mb ram on a brand new model B :> but shrug
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[17:46] <Torikun> that happened to me Viper-7!
[17:46] <Viper-7> its got 2 mounting holes, with big copper pads
[17:46] <Torikun> i bought 2 from this guy a few months back lol
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[17:46] <Viper-7> direct from RS :<
[17:46] <Viper-7> took ages too
[17:46] <Torikun> oh wow
[17:47] <Torikun> that is worse
[17:47] <Torikun> mcm electronics has 512 in stock all the time
[17:47] <Torikun> I ordered 2 from tehre recently
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> SwK, that's a superfluous file - I should have deleted it.
[17:47] <Viper-7> they said they had stock
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> SwK, the actualy code is in wiringPi.c
[17:47] <Torikun> they never do
[17:47] <Torikun> lol
[17:47] <Viper-7> then they said they wouldnt until may
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[17:47] <Viper-7> then they said it was held up in customs
[17:47] <Torikun> haah
[17:47] <Viper-7> then they said it was at their local distributer
[17:47] <SwK> gordonDrogon: heh??? cool
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> SwK, see examples/isr.c for a demo of it.
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[17:48] <Viper-7> then we asked if theyd be able to handle 100/month, or should we look at alternative targets/platforms - and we got it 4 days later :P
[17:48] <Torikun> lol
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, seriously - if you have a Rev 2 board and only 256MB of RAM then something somewhere has gone wrong in production and I'd send it back.
[17:48] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: to who? RS?
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, to whoever you bought it from.
[17:49] <Viper-7> another 3 months, great
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[17:49] <Torikun> Viper-7: what was the item description on your receipt
[17:49] <Torikun> 512 or 256
[17:49] <SwK> gordonDrogon: and thanks for doing the LGPL, i work on software thats MPL1.1 so +1 for compatible licenses
[17:49] <Viper-7> its not handy
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[17:49] <Viper-7> just model B
[17:49] <jakeri> :|
[17:49] <Torikun> i would agree with gordon and fight back
[17:49] <Torikun> they gave you old hardware
[17:49] <Torikun> are you in US?
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, model B has Rev 1, Rev 1.1 and Rev 2 boards.
[17:50] <Viper-7> australia
[17:50] <Torikun> they made you wait months for old hardware
[17:50] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: yep, i know
[17:50] <Torikun> try ordering frmo mcm Viper-7 they always ready
[17:50] <Torikun> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CEQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mcmelectronics.com%2Fcontent%2Fen-US%2Fraspberry-pi&ei=UtsTUaWAFOOZyAHUzYC4AQ&usg=AFQjCNEbWJbNWWjsWFSbFMoy3sFQA4MDaw&sig2=1Y5cdEr7Z96EGDCNoxPi2Q&bvm=bv.42080656,d.aWc
[17:50] <Viper-7> but its a revision 0002 chip (early batch), with 256mb ram, yet most certainly a rev 2 board
[17:50] <Torikun> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/content/en-US/raspberry-pi
[17:50] * djazz just got a Model A! :D
[17:50] <Viper-7> which should have a revision 000f + chip
[17:50] <nid0> there were rev2 boards with only 256MB
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[17:51] <gordonDrogon> oh? Hm. I thought they switched at Rev 1.1 time.
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> that must be very old stock from somewhere then...
[17:52] <Viper-7> all i read online says my device shouldnt exist
[17:52] <nid0> rev2 came along about a month before the memory upgrade
[17:52] <Viper-7> at worst newer revision chips on old boards
[17:52] <djazz> i have a rev2 with 256MB ram
[17:52] <nid0> so there's a good month's worth of production for boards that are rev2 with 256mb
[17:53] <Viper-7> djazz: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[17:53] <djazz> Viper-7: which is it? cant remember
[17:53] <Viper-7> revision
[17:53] <djazz> "Revision: 4"
[17:53] <Viper-7> should be 000X
[17:53] <Viper-7> Chip Revision
[17:54] <Viper-7> err, just Revision, not CPU Revision *
[17:54] <jakeri> by the way
[17:54] <Torikun> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-14402
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> Revision : 1000002
[17:54] <Torikun> I want that!
[17:54] <djazz> "CPU Revision: 7"
[17:54] <jakeri> has anyone tried connecting n900 display to raspberry pi
[17:54] <Viper-7> CPU revision : 7
[17:54] <Viper-7> Hardware : BCM2708
[17:54] <Viper-7> Revision : 0002
[17:54] <jakeri> and if someone has succeeded what is the pinout
[17:54] <Viper-7> its the 0002 i care about here
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> Torikun, it's compost input only...
[17:55] <jakeri> and what else do i have to do
[17:55] <djazz> Viper-7: yeah and I have 0004
[17:55] <jakeri> to use it
[17:55] <djazz> and 4 is..?
[17:55] <Torikun> gordonDrogon: why does it matter on that small screen?
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[17:55] <gordonDrogon> Torikun, it probably doesn't! 640x480 is good enough for anyone :)
[17:55] <Viper-7> Model B Revision 1.0 2
[17:55] <Viper-7> Model B Revision 1.0 + ECN0001 (no fuses, D14 removed) 3
[17:55] <Viper-7> Model B Revision 2.0 4, 5, 6
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> Torikun, oh - that's only saying: Resolution: 480 x RGB x 234
[17:55] <Kane> poy
[17:55] <Torikun> what are you saying lol
[17:56] <Torikun> can you recommend a better one?
[17:56] <Viper-7> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1929
[17:56] <djazz> Viper-7: i have a rev1 board too (ordered in late feb last year)
[17:56] <Viper-7> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=23520
[17:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ that is a 1st replase one
[17:56] <Viper-7> (not me)
[17:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> oops was scrolled back
[17:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=32733 <- may help
[17:57] <djazz> how many got Model A?
[17:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> I have one
[17:57] <aDro> Nope
[17:57] <aDro> I guess I should
[17:57] <Viper-7> i thought they only made like 100 and gave up
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[17:58] <Viper-7> id take 4 model A`s right now
[17:58] <djazz> i just got mine :D
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[17:58] <Viper-7> where from?
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[17:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> got rev 2 , 8 & 15
[17:58] <djazz> Viper-7: Farnell's swedish reseller
[17:58] <Torikun> anyone know of HDMI input LCD screens?
[17:59] <IT_Sean> Um... most modern TVs?
[17:59] <IT_Sean> Or are you looking for a really small one?
[17:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> and monitors
[17:59] <Torikun> amazon has 7 inch but expensive
[17:59] <swart> I saw those. you're better off getting a 19" display for 1/2 the price
[17:59] <IT_Sean> Yeah, the really small ones are generally for more specalized applications, and thusly, will be a little bit more spendy
[18:00] <Torikun> =(
[18:00] <swart> I'm looking for a 17" but have had no luck
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[18:00] <Torikun> it be nice to turn the pi in a mini laptop somehow
[18:00] <swart> I've got an old 16" sony from 2001 but my son is using it on his machine. it's perfect but he doesn't want to part with it
[18:01] <swart> I don't want a laptop. thinking more of a console
[18:01] <Viper-7> djazz: in person? heh
[18:01] <djazz> Viper-7: lol
[18:01] <mjr> so get him a bigger one in trade ;P
[18:01] <djazz> Viper-7: they had to import it from UK first, then send it to me
[18:01] <djazz> i ordered it two days ago
[18:01] <swart> mjr: he doesn't want a bigger one. kids are weird
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> I got a refirbished 16" TV with HDMI input for about ?64 IIRC.
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> it's only 720p, but good enough.
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[18:02] <mjr> strange
[18:02] <swart> I saw a new 19" 1080p monitor at Target for $150
[18:02] <swart> that's close to ??64 :)
[18:03] <Torikun> i guess the hard part would be making the pi and monitor appear like 1 device
[18:03] <swart> yes. it involves carpentry I think :)
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[18:03] <IT_Sean> Best option is probably a case with a VESA mount
[18:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ use a vesa mount
[18:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> dang not quick enough
[18:04] <swart> that will work for a tv, but even the smallest tv screens are bigger than I want
[18:04] <Torikun> what is vesa mount
[18:05] <swart> although probably a lot easier than dismantling a monitor and trying to figure out how to fix that
[18:05] <swart> Torikun: just a wall mount for a flat-screen tv
[18:05] <Torikun> ah
[18:05] <IT_Sean> VESA = a standard mounting arrangement for LCDs.
[18:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCcAXLnCUAAkLiw.jpg
[18:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://twitter.com/pimoroni/status/299208298488549377/photo/1 <- better link
[18:06] <swart> nice thing about standards is they drive prices down
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[18:06] <BigBadGhost> I want to find a 10-12" monitor with VESA mount, those 7" monitors are too small and a 19" lcd are just too big to haul around
[18:07] <IT_Sean> BigBadGhost: what about a 15" ?
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[18:07] <IT_Sean> I'm not ure you are going to find a 12" TV with a VESA mount
[18:07] <swart> 13" used to be pretty common too
[18:07] <BigBadGhost> Hrm, if it was thin enough and not too bulky, I reckon it would be ok
[18:07] <IT_Sean> Quite frankly... you might have trouble finding anything under 17"
[18:08] <IT_Sean> I'm not sure though
[18:08] <Torikun> gordonDrogon: http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-TFT-LCD-Color-Car-Rearview-Headrest-16-9-Monitor-DVD-VCR-with-IR-Remote-/110816841661?pt=US_Rear_View_Monitors_Cams_Kits&hash=item19cd32cfbd will that be good?
[18:08] <swart> a used display might be easiest and cheapest
[18:08] <Torikun> ebay only has car ones
[18:09] <IT_Sean> A car one would have the benefit of running at 12v.
[18:10] <Torikun> the resolution sucks on the car ones =(
[18:10] <IT_Sean> fair 'nuff
[18:11] <Torikun> gordonDrogon: pointed out that the 480 * 234 composite
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> Torikun, same resolution: Number of Dots: 480W * RGB * 234H
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[18:11] <Torikun> HD LCD over $100
[18:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.ebuyer.com/434880-lg-19-m31-monitor-tv-m1931d-pz
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> if you ca nforce the font to about 60 characters wide it'll be readable, but 80 might be channelging ...
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[18:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> not that I use ebuyer
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> the car ones are really designed for video from e.g. reversing cameras, etc.
[18:12] <Torikun> yeah
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[18:13] <Torikun> not worth spending that much on the PI
[18:13] <Torikun> for my *laptop* use
[18:14] <swart> still 12V
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[18:14] <swart> maybe you should think about some other use cases than a laptop :)
[18:14] <Torikun> yup
[18:15] <Torikun> i want the camera module
[18:15] <Torikun> no case yet that can support it
[18:15] <swart> yeah I was thinking it would be fun to build a telepresence bot
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[18:15] <Torikun> maybe a clear case will be good with the camera modulel
[18:15] <swart> then I could leave it at the office and play with electronics at home all day :)
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[18:17] <Torikun> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-14631
[18:17] <Torikun> think the camera module would work good in that?
[18:17] <Torikun> just tuck it in the case?
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[18:24] <TLoFP> I am having trouble using GPIO 0 and GPIO 1, or the 3rd and 5th pin on the headder, as outputs. can I not use those for GPIO?
[18:25] <pksato> TLoFP: some pins are controled by some kernel module, like uart, spi, i2c and others
[18:26] <Viper-7> are there any RPi cases (model B / Rev 2) that have extra room for addon boards?
[18:26] <aDro> Viper-7: I think I've seen some
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, they don't exist on a Rev 2.
[18:27] <Viper-7> aDro: i want to crap a 40 pin DIP on there along with some GPIO breakout
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, what software are you using to drive them?
[18:27] <TLoFP> pksato: how may I tell those kernel module to quit it? I need those GPIO pins (SDA and SCL
[18:27] <Viper-7> trying to get that down to a 16 pin DIP, but still..
[18:28] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: you mean version two of the RPi has less GPIO?
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, no - they're just different. on a rev 2 they are BCM_GPIO_2 and 3, or use wiringPi and they're 8 and 9 regardless of the hardware rev.
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[18:29] <TLoFP> I see thankgs gordonDrogon
[18:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#General_Purpose_Input.2FOutput_.28GPIO.29
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> RaTTuS|BIG, that diagram refers to a Rev 1 Pi.
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[18:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> arg yes it does
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> My master GPIO pins diagram.
[18:30] <aDro> This is exactly what the Rev 2 needs for the Reset Switch
[18:30] <swart> it'd be nice to have a printed copy I can pin to my prototyping board
[18:30] <aDro> http://canada.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=20M2276
[18:30] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: thanks gordon, I now have them both working
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> I keep meaning to re-do that diagram - the main problem is that I printed it out recently, forgetting there are now 6 or 7 pages of comments on it!!!
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, use wiringPi, then the pin numbers don't change and work on any Pi rev :)
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[18:35] <swart> aDro: $0.12 for a 2 pin header?
[18:35] <swart> tayda has 40 pin headers for $0.15 each
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[18:39] <Torikun> anyone use distcc on arch
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[18:44] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: I am ashamed to admit that I am not using that library :(
[18:44] <TLoFP> yours seems far more complex and thus more difficult to edit
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, ah well ...
[18:45] <TLoFP> im sorry :(
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, edit?
[18:45] <TLoFP> yes. I have disabled the SPI slave selects
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> I don't provide an editor...
[18:45] <TLoFP> so now when I fire up SPI it does NOT toggle the Slave Select Pins
[18:45] <TLoFP> instead I can bit bang GPIO Slave Selects
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, what library are you using - I'm really confused about the editor bit - you can use any editor you like...
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[18:46] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon you know to edit the source and abuse the SPI hardware
[18:47] <TLoFP> I am using the bcm2835 library
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[18:47] <TLoFP> and basically made some quick changes to it, which I belive will allow me to have 14 SPI devices
[18:47] <Grievre> Hey who maintains the raspberry pi fork of the linux kernel?
[18:47] <Grievre> I have a bug report
[18:47] <Grievre> or rather a feature request/
[18:47] <Grievre> ?
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[18:48] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, of that. well - good luck there then. You know he stole all the wiringPi code to write it with initially, don't you?
[18:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd suggest that feature requests are a bad idea at this stage, but bugs can be filed here https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues
[18:49] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon that is why I am ashamed
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, no wories.
[18:49] <TLoFP> I think I really need to dive into your source code and make the same edits
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, I decided to stick to the standard Linux kernel way of doing SPI rather than bit-bang it.
[18:49] <TLoFP> because I do want to credit you for that work
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[18:49] <TLoFP> that is if your library can be modified the same way
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, if you're using his lib, then credit him.
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, no - I just provide wrappers round the standard linux kernel.
[18:50] <TLoFP> doesn't seem right if he stole the work from u
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, *shrug* wiringPi was GPLv3 at the time and he never acknowledged that.
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[18:51] <gordonDrogon> I latterly changed the license to LVPLv3, but that was after he based all his early stuff on it.
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[18:51] <gordonDrogon> He has subseuently re-written some of it too.
[18:51] <djazz> why do I get so bad quality when I use a webcam with a powered hub, when it's almost flawless direct connected to the pi?
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[18:52] <djazz> I'm using mjpg-streamer with an Eye toy PS2 webcam
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[18:53] <gordonDrogon> maybe it's a rubbish hub?
[18:53] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: your library is very overwhelming to me, so many files, and I am such a noob
[18:53] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: I dunno if it's a bug or a feature that the uart driver ignores the custom bitrate setting
[18:53] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: I notice only some of the uart drivers actually honor it. Interestingly, PL010 does but 011 doesn't
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[18:55] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: do you have somthing analogous to these lines in your library: http://pastebin.com/TZkgW1Fx
[18:55] <TLoFP> all I had to do is comment out the pin assignment for CE0 and CE1
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[18:56] <djazz> dmesg says: gspca_main: ISOC data error
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[18:57] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, no - I use the standard kernel driver, I do not drive the SPI hardware directly.
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[18:58] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: ok, I see. thank you for the clarification
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> My aim is to keep things as standard as possible and utilise the kernel to my advantage.
[18:58] <TLoFP> that makes the most sense to me too
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> so if I use the kernel drivers for SPI and I2C,then they (in theory) do the hard work and can use DMA, interrupts and so on which should take the load off the CPU somewhat.
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> e.g. I currently have an application where I need to send about 40K bytes down the SPI bus as fast as I can, and the last thing I want to do is sit in a loop stuffing them into the FIFO )-:
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> so I just tell the kernel to write them, then I can get on with something else while the hardware interrutps the kernel when it needs more byte stuffing into the fifo until its done ...
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[19:03] <swart> gordonDrogon: with your approach does it mean wiringPi shouldn't need to run as root?
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> swart, most of the time.
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> swart, same for anything that's directly accessing the hardware, however ... there is a way to run it as non-root.
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> swart, You can setup the exports via the sys/class/gpio interface before you run your program then initialise wiringPi with wiringPiSetupSys ()
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> then wiringPi will import the exported pins and work with them. It's somewhat slower than going direct, but it does work.
[19:11] <swart> I see
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> the gpio utility (part of wiringPi) can do the exports for you without you needing to be root.
[19:11] <swart> I just got i2c working last night with adafruit's python library, but I'd like to try with wiringPi next
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> you can call it from inside a program via system() if you want to...
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> ah, I2C. ok.
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> If you use the gpio program to load the i2c drivers, then it will change the permissions on the /dev/ entries so you don't need to be root.
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> so: gpio load i2c
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> then run your C program.
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> example here: http://unicorn.drogon.net/q2w.c
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> I've not done much docs. for the I2C thing yet.
[19:12] <swart> that seems pretty straightforward. thanks
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> you'll need to: sudo apt-get install i2c-dev before building wiringPi
[19:13] <swart> I think I did that already
[19:13] <Grievre> do you really need a library to use I2C?
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> but I'm looking to fix that for later builds.
[19:13] <Grievre> it's just open() the device, do the ioctl to set address and then write()
[19:14] <swart> only for high-level access to your components I think
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, no - but some people want easy to use wrappers - that's all my wiringPi thing is.
[19:14] <swart> depends on how complex the device is
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[19:14] <gordonDrogon> so: fd = wiringPiI2CSetup (0x20); // register device 0x20
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> then wiringPiI2CWriteReg8 (fd,, reg, value) ;
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> just makes is a little easier.
[19:15] <swart> yes looks good
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> the wiringPiI2C setup knows what rev Pi you're on, so opens the right device for you too.
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[19:16] <gordonDrogon> same for the SPI really - just wrappers round the kernel /dev/ interface. simplifies life somewhat.
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> and I'm "eating my own dogfood" too - I have a combined I2C/SPI device which I'm currently driving with my own code :)
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[19:22] <DeathMan|> hello all
[19:23] <pronto> hi
[19:23] <DeathMan|> can someone tell me what is user:group of raspbian?
[19:23] <pronto> pi:pi
[19:23] <DeathMan|> ah thnx
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[19:24] <DeathMan|> was not sure about group
[19:24] <pronto> ls -l
[19:24] <DeathMan|> mm sweet thnx
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[19:31] <Grievre> AHA
[19:32] <Grievre> I got the raspberry pi to receive DMX!
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[19:32] <Grievre> Unfortunately I have no way of detecting the start of a frame because it doesn't seem to detect break conditions...
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[19:38] <gordonDrogon> DMX512?
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[19:39] <gordonDrogon> wish I had time to play with all that stuff.
[19:40] <nid0> hm, anyone particularly hot with Varnish?
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> what if you put the serial pin into input mode, then polled it until you detected the break, then put it back into serial mode for the uart to listen to?
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> nid0, sorry - no..
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[19:45] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: The problem is that since the UART is buffered by the kernel, it's not apparent where in the stream the break occurred
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, ah, yes that'll be an issue.
[19:46] <DeathMan|> anyone did install owncloud on pi?
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[19:47] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: I enabled parmrk so now a break appears as ff000000
[19:47] <nid0> DeathMan|: yes
[19:47] <DeathMan|> i have a lil problem
[19:47] <Grievre> which is kind of convenient because this faderboard doesn't actually output FF very easily
[19:47] <DeathMan|> after installation you must configure owncloud in browser right?
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> are you making the Pi a controller of "stuff" ?
[19:48] <DeathMan|> and you make admin account and pick the path to the files
[19:48] <DeathMan|> how to change that path after you did that?
[19:48] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: ?
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[19:48] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: I'm using the pi as a controller for my light board, and I thought just for fun I'd put a DMX bridge on there
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[19:49] <DeathMan|> to be more precise i mean the setting in advanced at this screen http://cdn1.nwlinux.com/owncloud1.png
[19:49] <nid0> config/mount.php
[19:49] <DeathMan|> hmmm
[19:49] <DeathMan|> ok lemme see that then
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[19:55] <felipealmeida> hello
[19:55] <felipealmeida> I'm trying to use qemu with archlinuxarm
[19:55] <felipealmeida> But I would like to use the kernel from arch linux. Is that possible?
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[20:01] <DeathMan|> ok i messed something up :)
[20:02] <DeathMan|> will need super help i think
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[20:02] <felipealmeida> Has anybody used qemu for running arch linux arm for raspberry pi?
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[20:06] <DeathMan|> ok so with owncloud maybe someone can help me
[20:06] <DeathMan|> i want to use external ntfs hard drive as place for files how to do so?
[20:06] <DeathMan|> i did mount it already in pi
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[20:06] <DeathMan|> but no idea what to do now
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[20:10] <DeathMan|> no idea how to do it -_-
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[20:15] <rubiconjosh> DeathMan|, when you mounted the hard drive you assigned its contents to appear as a directory on your filesystem, you simply place files in that directory
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[20:16] <rubiconjosh> DeathMan|, type mount in a terminal with no parameters, it will display where everything is mounted. You should see a line like /dev/yourdevice on /mnt/whatever The directory after "on" is the location where you can access that device
[20:17] <DeathMan|> yes i know
[20:17] <DeathMan|> i have that
[20:17] <DeathMan|> but my owncloud do not see it
[20:17] <rubiconjosh> Ahh, sorry I did not see that part of the question.
[20:17] <DeathMan|> also if i modify config.php and do the path to mount folder there the owncloud does not work
[20:18] <DeathMan|> sorry im quite noob when it comes to that stuff
[20:18] <rubiconjosh> I have never used owncloud
[20:18] <Hodapp> I'm using it now.
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[20:21] <DeathMan|> so any idea how to make it see my drive?
[20:25] <Hodapp> what do you mean it just doesn't see your drive?
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[20:39] <DeathMan|> well
[20:39] <DeathMan|> i have mounted ntfs drive
[20:39] <DeathMan|> i did chown the folder on it
[20:39] <DeathMan|> for www-data
[20:39] <DeathMan|> still i dont see it in owncloud
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[20:44] <DeathMan|> pfff still no idea how to make it work
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[20:46] <DeathMan|> meh i give up for now
[20:46] <pronto> :(
[20:46] <DeathMan|> anyway thnx for all help guys
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[20:46] <pronto> drink beer;try again!
[20:46] <DeathMan|> i will try later :)
[20:46] <DeathMan|> now i need to go
[20:46] <DeathMan|> well see ya guys
[20:46] <pronto> to drink beer :D
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[20:47] <DeathMan|> who knows ;)
[20:47] <pronto> i knows
[20:47] <DeathMan|> bye then
[20:47] <pronto> llaters
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[21:02] <cyanboy> Hi! I recently got my Rpi, and I wanted to get the maximum performance out of it. However, when I set it to turbo mode it fails to boot, but the 950mhz goes fine. Is there something I can do to kick it to the max?
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[21:02] <ngc0202> cyanboy: It could be a power issue
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[21:05] <cyanboy> I use a 5V USB nexus 4 charger. it's 1200mA
[21:05] <double-you> my pi reboots on heavy load on max settings
[21:05] <double-you> and I have 2,5A
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[21:07] <ReggieUK> overclocking isn't garuanteed on any rpi chip
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[21:07] <ReggieUK> that's the nature of overclocking :)
[21:07] <TiredOf> been out the loop a bit, work commitments
[21:07] <ReggieUK> you're pushing the chip to it's limits, unfortunately, your chips limits might stop short of 1Ghz
[21:07] <IT_Sean> overvolt the bugger, and OC to 1GHz, i say! YAAAR!
[21:07] <TiredOf> bit of a noob question
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[21:07] <TiredOf> has wheezy taken over from squeeze?
[21:08] <IT_Sean> cyanboy: got a Nexus 4 to go with that charger? :p
[21:08] <TiredOf> updates no longer seem to be availbale for squeeze when i try
[21:08] <cyanboy> IT_Sean, yes I do!
[21:08] <IT_Sean> Awesome! I just got one recently.
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[21:09] <Cooleo> Hi guys, Does anyone want to buy my Raspberry Pi? I'm finding it harder and harder to merit keeping as I rarely use it now :/ I'm in the UK.
[21:10] <cyanboy> also a theoretical question. if I had two rpi's. Could I potentially combine them, and overclock them to one 1Ghz each, and get a 2Ghz system?
[21:10] <ngc0202> Of course!
[21:10] <ngc0202> If you know how
[21:10] <ngc0202> (I don't)
[21:11] <IT_Sean> cyanboy: the short answer is "not really". Two 1 GHz computers do not equal one 2 GHz computer.
[21:11] <IT_Sean> While you can build a cluster with raspis, the processing power does NOT scale that way
[21:11] <cyanboy> But do you know how many it would take to get the equality of 2Ghz?
[21:12] <IT_Sean> I do not know.
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[21:14] <cyanboy> I'll just guess I have to get rich and by like 20 and see what happens :P
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[21:14] <mgottschlag> it really depends on what you want to do
[21:15] <ngc0202> Rich?
[21:15] <mgottschlag> there is no way you can make them look/feel like one single computer, such an operation system simply does not exist (or does it? didn't Inferno do something like this?)
[21:15] <ngc0202> 20 rpis cost like 1/4 my laptop does
[21:16] <mgottschlag> no, how many you need/how fast and usable the system will be ^^
[21:16] <ngc0202> and I'm not even rich
[21:16] <mgottschlag> oh
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[21:16] <pierut> ahoy
[21:16] <cyanboy> I'm a student, I can't waste my money on pi, when I need food.
[21:16] <mgottschlag> well, I am unable to read today
[21:16] <mgottschlag> anyways, back to reverse engineering the GPU :)
[21:16] <pierut> ;o
[21:18] <ngc0202> Hehe
[21:18] <ngc0202> Was that intentional?
[21:18] <cyanboy> maybe..
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[21:19] <ngc0202> hehe, I love making jokes with the name
[21:21] <pksato> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/university-builds-cheap-supercomputer-with-raspberry-pi-and-legos/
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[21:24] <pksato> Is possible make RPi inter-comunication for cruster using GPIO? And is faster that USB NIC?
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[21:25] <mgottschlag> possible? sure, somehow. faster? certainly not :)
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[21:26] <mgottschlag> SPI, I??C and the UART could somehow be used, that's enough to build a ring network, but a very slow one :)
[21:27] <pksato> data exchange between GPUs using DSI port? :) (I only asking stupind questions)
[21:28] <mgottschlag> isn't the dsi port basically a one-way data connection (maybe with a very slow channel for control information like monitor DDC data into the other direction)
[21:28] <mgottschlag> ?
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[21:28] <mgottschlag> at least I would expect that, but hdmi afaik has fast connections into both directions
[21:28] <jakeri> :(
[21:28] <pksato> DSI have one bidirection line.
[21:29] <jakeri> my raspberry doesn't recognize my dvd drive :/
[21:29] <mgottschlag> oh, looks like hdmi also only has i??c for DDC data
[21:29] <pksato> and have a CSI (input) DSI to output.
[21:30] <pksato> mad ideias. :)
[21:30] <mgottschlag> I doubt they have anything in common :D
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[21:31] <mgottschlag> jakeri: any messages in dmesg?
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[21:32] <jakeri> device oflined not ready after error recovery
[21:32] <pksato> jakeri: power issues.
[21:32] <mgottschlag> I think the fastest connection possible would be a switched ethernet network with a powerful switch
[21:32] <jakeri> well that shouldn't be possible :|
[21:33] <jakeri> the drive has its own psu
[21:33] <pksato> jakeri: ok.
[21:33] <mgottschlag> jakeri: can you pastebin the complete dmesg and any other information you have? (dvd player model etc)
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> I looked at using SPI to implements a ring type network from the Pi to a number of Atmegas. I built a 2 device tester and it worked, but it's not that useful in reality.
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> for Pi's just use Ethernet..
[21:35] <jakeri> http://pastebin.com/UK1USaUq
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[21:36] <jakeri> hitachi model gd-8000
[21:36] <jakeri> with hp c4504-26500 rev. a2 usb board
[21:37] <mgottschlag> http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components/ProdBrief/10L02_TC358743_ProdBrief.pdf :D
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[21:39] <jakeri> damn now it doesn't even find windows driver :|
[21:39] <jakeri> i guess i'll have to change the usb board
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[21:40] <mgottschlag> okay, that's ugly, but I don't think the pi has broken your drive
[21:40] <jakeri> yep
[21:40] <jakeri> i guess the 13years were enough for that board :D
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[21:45] <jakeri> hell now it works like dream :)
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[21:46] <mgottschlag> language
[21:47] <jakeri> sorry :(
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[21:48] <jakeri> didn't think mentioning imaginary places was bad :(
[21:48] <mgottschlag> ^^
[21:49] <rikkib> scummos, Got your message... Welcome to the arm world. Glad to be of assistance.
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[21:51] <scummos> rikkib: heh, fine ;)
[21:51] <rikkib> :)
[21:52] <jakeri> X(
[21:52] <jakeri> now i ropped the drive
[21:52] <jakeri> *dropped
[21:52] <jakeri> and i'll have to glue back the front that i glued just few days go
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[21:53] <jakeri> well lucky it didn't break
[21:55] <pierut> i am the raspberry pierut, yarhar!
[21:55] <jakeri> yarr
[21:55] <pierut> :>
[21:56] <jakeri> but yeah next in my plans: making dual atari compliant ports for gamepads and using old cd players front panel for controllnig cd playback or something on one of by raspberries :)
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[22:01] <pierut> sounds like fun
[22:02] <pierut> i didn't really have any plans for my gpio
[22:02] <pierut> just wanted a tiny computer
[22:02] <pierut> i got it yesterday in the mail
[22:03] <pierut> only to realize that i needed a sdhc compatible card reader and that the one i had was not
[22:03] <pierut> ended up dding on my asus transformer
[22:03] <pierut> but that worked albiet sloooowly
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[22:08] <jakeri> :)
[22:08] <pierut> :)
[22:08] <pronto> (:
[22:08] <pierut> (:
[22:08] <pronto> :)
[22:08] <jakeri> one challenging thing i have on my mind is using the old cd players screen for something
[22:08] <pronto> ...
[22:09] <cyanboy> Hey anyone who has any experience compiling "The Powder Toy" for rpi? I am currently compiling, anyone who has an estimate on how long it will take?
[22:09] <pierut> use it as a mail counter
[22:10] <pierut> im not sure what the powder toy is
[22:10] <pierut> :<
[22:10] <pierut> sounds illegal though
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[22:11] <cyanboy> It's a fun little physics game where you play with different elements. pierut, quite amusing indeed
[22:11] <pierut> neat
[22:12] <mgottschlag> jakeri: what kind of screen? :D
[22:13] <jakeri> it's one of those segmented vacuum fluorescent screens
[22:13] <jakeri> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_fluorescent_display
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[22:13] <pierut> heehe. i pulled one of those from a credit card reader i found at goodwill once
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[22:14] <pierut> it was beyond me how to drive it though
[22:14] <jakeri> yeah i should find that out too
[22:14] <pksato> I have one of these VFD on my junk box.
[22:15] <pksato> But, I dont know specifications.
[22:16] <jakeri> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-QUIET-ACE-BLACK-EDITION-750W-ATX-PSU-MOLEX-SATA-PCI-E-PFC-120mm-FAN-/280754464830?pt=UK_Computing_PowerSupplies_EH&hash=item415e45283e these things should be illegal to sell :|
[22:17] <jakeri> someone sould really think that that'd be a good buy
[22:18] <jakeri> and burn their house :S
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[22:22] <aaa801> ReggieUK: do you know if the videocore is running threadX?
[22:23] <aaa801> Also why the balls is MSDOS5.0 in the start.elf
[22:23] <_elek> ya, i had a psu spew flames out once
[22:24] <chithead> this is used as boot identifier for fat filesystems
[22:24] * pierut wonders if it has to do with the fat32 fs
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[22:24] <_elek> thankfully i was home.. was an enermax. never again
[22:24] <Primer> _elek: I had one explode in my face
[22:24] <_elek> jeez
[22:24] <aaa801> aha
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[22:24] <aaa801> i found some references to threadX in it too
[22:24] <_elek> i also had a crappy inverter catch fire
[22:24] <aaa801> Copyright (c) 1996-2009 Express Logic Inc. * ThreadX/SMP VideoCore Version G5.3.5.2 (SP1) SN: 3009-115-1301
[22:25] <Primer> Came home to a head machine, pulled the PSU, unplugged it, plugged it back in, and (I'm guessing) one of the capacitors in it blew up
[22:25] <jakeri> _elek are you sure it was genuine enermax :O
[22:25] <_elek> wasnt home for that, destroyed my system thankfully my case kept the mini fire contained
[22:25] <chithead> aaa801: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table even explains
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[22:25] <aaa801> ye i saw the far references near it after cleaning out all the junk strings
[22:25] <_elek> yea, this was many years ago.. i'm sure their QA is much better
[22:25] <_elek> bought from directron
[22:25] <aaa801> still, that threadX line is prety intresting
[22:26] <jakeri> as enermax is and always was like the second best quality manufacturer of psu's 'in the world
[22:26] <_elek> ya, maybe it was just a fluke thing
[22:26] <jakeri> and that's why they always cost about 200euros :P
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[22:27] * ShadowJK has it as 1 Seasonic - 2 Antec and Nexus in his head
[22:28] <jakeri> antec :DD
[22:28] <nid0> tbh you typically cant go wrong with a pcp&c, antec, coolermaster, or enermax
[22:28] <jakeri> hell is there worse quality than antec
[22:29] <jakeri> i would never dare to even try to boot a pc with antec psu
[22:29] <ShadowJK> Though calling antec a manufacturer is kinda wrong, seasonic makes their PSUs
[22:29] <jakeri> yeah seasonic makes them but those aren't seasonic components inside
[22:30] <ShadowJK> I only get the "scared to turn it on" when I see HEC, FSP or Fortron :)
[22:30] <jakeri> it doesn't matter what factory makes them as long as the components are the crap antec always uses
[22:30] <jakeri> FSP :D ?
[22:31] <jakeri> seasonic, enermax, fsp(fortron,nexus) are the top quality ones
[22:31] <faLUCE> hi. I installed xbmc on raspbian by following these instructions: http://michael.gorven.za.net/raspberrypi/xbmc . However, I can't add addons on it. It doesn't show the addons list. In particular, I would like to install the youtube plugin. how can I do?
[22:31] <ShadowJK> My nexus psu has horrible PF, my UPS growls very angrily at it :)
[22:32] <_elek> i dig corsair psus, but i use pcp&c also
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[22:32] <jakeri> i've had 2fortron fails ever
[22:32] <jakeri> and one nexus
[22:32] <jakeri> fixed them in 5 minutes :)
[22:32] <ShadowJK> pf of about 0.5 :/
[22:32] <jakeri> pf ?
[22:33] * pierut thinks picofarad
[22:33] <ShadowJK> powerfactor
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[22:33] <jakeri> 0.5 :| ?
[22:33] <ShadowJK> yah
[22:34] <jakeri> you've got some very bad quality chinese copies :D
[22:34] <ShadowJK> to be fair it improves to .7 when I load the CPU, and .8 when I spin up all harddrives
[22:34] <jakeri> well of course at almost no load they have bad pf
[22:35] <jakeri> any high power psu has
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[22:35] <jakeri> if it isn't platinum 80+
[22:36] <ShadowJK> Even Plat 80 has very wide allowed pf at idle loads
[22:36] <jakeri> well ofcourse
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[22:36] <ShadowJK> Although this is plain 80+
[22:36] <jakeri> they aren't designed to run at 10watts
[22:36] <jakeri> :P
[22:37] <jakeri> but chinese psu's arent designed to run at any load :|
[22:38] <ShadowJK> Wish they were available in, say, 200W
[22:38] <grantsmith> that is inaccurate, and racist, jakeri
[22:39] <VetteWork> anyone here doing SNMP work with their pi? (or linux in general)
[22:39] <jakeri> well from my experience it's pretty correct and it isn't racistic
[22:39] <ShadowJK> jakeri, all PSUs are chinese
[22:39] <jakeri> nope
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[22:42] <jakeri> but yeah
[22:42] <jakeri> i'll use antec psus never again
[22:42] <jakeri> after one started burning when it wasn't even on
[22:43] <jakeri> lucky it was jsut few hours after connecting it
[22:43] <jakeri> if that was at night it would've been much worse
[22:43] <jakeri> nice blue flames from back of that pc
[22:44] <chithead> sounds to me like +5vsb problem
[22:45] <aaa801> This device cannot start. (Code 10)
[22:45] <aaa801> A device which does not exist was specified.
[22:45] <aaa801> stupid freking serial port ._.
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[22:46] <ShadowJK> Shortcircuit at $work today, kept blewing one or two 35A slowblow fuses. Luckily theres a big carton full of spare fuses :D
[22:46] <ShadowJK> Eventually the short WILL be vaporized.
[22:46] <ShadowJK> or the unknown wire leading up to the unknown short location
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[22:47] <jakeri> and that wasn't the only antec psu i've had burn of break
[22:48] <jakeri> one of the best was one that gave full 230volts to the mainboard
[22:48] <jakeri> surprisingly there wasn't lot of motherboard left :)
[22:50] <steve_rox> sounds sparky
[22:51] <aaa801> freking chinese usb ttl driving me nuts
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[22:54] <jakeri> w00t :D
[22:54] <aaa801> Anyone want to translate the gibberish output from putty? http://i.imgur.com/BnxMDiP.png
[22:55] <jakeri> just found two bags of chipses from my megadrive box
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[22:55] <aaa801> Serial console.. why do you hate me soo D: http://i.imgur.com/jPmGFA6.png
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[22:56] <ShadowJK> speed looks wrong
[22:57] <aaa801> 9600
[22:57] <aaa801> i think it was because i had flow control on, trying it now
[22:57] <aaa801> is it 152000?
[22:57] <mjr> wasn't the pi's default 115200?
[22:57] <mgottschlag> 9600 on both ends?
[22:57] <mgottschlag> yeah, it is
[22:57] <aaa801> god i hate serial
[22:58] <aaa801> well
[22:58] <aaa801> i got different gibberish now
[22:58] <aaa801> http://i.imgur.com/WVRNm4q.png
[22:58] <ShadowJK> 8N1?
[22:58] <aaa801> ?
[22:59] <ShadowJK> data, parity, stop
[22:59] <aaa801> got it working, tpyed speed in wrong again
[22:59] <aaa801> http://i.imgur.com/qum30SM.png
[22:59] <aaa801> :D
[22:59] <mjr> whee
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[23:00] <mjr> yeah, serial is a bother with multiple parameters that need to match on both ends
[23:01] <ShadowJK> I dont remember the name of the terminal, or the actual keycombo, but I'm sure my fingrs would remember the hotkey to cycle speed :)
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[23:07] <faLUCE> hi. I installed xbmc on raspbian by following these instructions: http://michael.gorven.za.net/raspberrypi/xbmc . However, I can't add addons on it. It doesn't show the addons list. In particular, I would like to install the youtube plugin. how can I do?
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[23:13] <ParkerR> faLUCE, xbmc 12 is in the main repo if I remmeber correctly
[23:14] <ParkerR> It got updated when I did an upgrade and I dont think I added any custom repos
[23:15] <ParkerR> I can check
[23:15] <faLUCE> ParkerR: thanks
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[23:16] <Torikun> yio
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[23:18] <ParkerR> faLUCE, Nope I only have main repos
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[23:18] <ParkerR> Try removing that one, apt-get update, then apt-get install xbmc
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[23:22] <ParkerR> faLUCE, Oh wait
[23:23] <ParkerR> I only checked in sources.list
[23:23] * dniMretsaM_away is now known as dniMretsaM
[23:23] <ParkerR> Lemem see if there is a mene.list
[23:25] <ParkerR> faLUCE, Oh heh I do have that source. Lemem see if the addons list shows up
[23:25] <ParkerR> *Lemme
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[23:27] <faLUCE> ParkerR: ok??
[23:27] <ParkerR> faLUCE, If I may aks, is keyboard inpput worlking for you? (Like textboxes and such) I have been trying to get it working but even mene's 99-input.rules doesnt work
[23:27] <ParkerR> *ask
[23:29] <ParkerR> faLUCE, It takes a little bit to load but I do get a list. Try removing ~/.xbmc/
[23:29] <faLUCE> ParkerR: it doesn't work well. I can use arrows, but I can't use textboxes
[23:30] <ParkerR> Same here
[23:30] <faLUCE> ParkerR: in addition, I can't close xbmc
[23:30] <ParkerR> The input rule should work but I dunno
[23:30] <faLUCE> it hangs when I try to close it
[23:30] <ParkerR> faLUCE, Yeah same for me
[23:30] <ParkerR> That's why I have a Raspbmc card
[23:30] <ParkerR> Do I dont have to mess with it in debian
[23:30] <ParkerR> *So
[23:31] <pierut> xbmc runs painfully slow on the rpi
[23:31] <faLUCE> ParkerR: but in this way I don't have a browser
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[23:31] <ParkerR> pierut, Raspbmc runs great
[23:31] <faLUCE> ParkerR: if I use raspbmc
[23:31] <ParkerR> faLUCE, You can still install X and web browsers in Raspbmc
[23:31] <ParkerR> Its still debian at heart
[23:31] <pierut> i installed it this morning.. it might be ok for local videos (didnt try that) but for the addons it creeps
[23:31] <faLUCE> ParkerR: it would be not easy
[23:32] <ParkerR> faLUCE, It would be very easy. sudo apt-get install xorg somewebbrowser somewindowmanager
[23:32] <faLUCE> ParkerR: do you think it would not be a mess?
[23:33] <pierut> or maybe i did something wrong
[23:33] <faLUCE> I mean, how can I stop xbmc and access the windowmanager ?
[23:33] <ParkerR> faLUCE, In Raspbmc you exit then it gives you a few seconds to press esc
[23:33] <ParkerR> Then it drops to a shell
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[23:33] <ParkerR> I mean pressing escape during those few seconds drops you to a shell
[23:34] <ParkerR> Login pi
[23:34] <ParkerR> password raspberry
[23:34] <faLUCE> ok, but it's not for me. I have to give it to a person that must access the desktop after exiting
[23:34] <ParkerR> Unless you changed it in Raspbmc
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[23:35] <faLUCE> ParkerR: I can give an environment with a shell to this person
[23:35] <faLUCE> ParkerR: I can'T give an environment with a shell to this person
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[23:40] <faLUCE> ParkerR: unfortunately it's a bad solution. too many disadvantages
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[23:48] <Rotselleri> I'm thinking of getting a pi for a mumble/irc server.
[23:49] <Rotselleri> Is this a good idea?
[23:49] <tonsit> do you run those at your house currently?
[23:49] <tonsit> i think it would put a lot of strain on your internet connection, but otherwise should be fine
[23:49] <Rotselleri> No, I have neither.
[23:50] <Rotselleri> Well, as long as the computer itself can handle it. They wouldn't be used very intensively.
[23:50] <tonsit> rPi should be able to, no idea personally
[23:53] <pierut> theres a place in austria where you can colocate your raspi for free
[23:53] <pierut> :>
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[23:53] <ParkerR> Colocate?
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[23:53] <pierut> yes.. they'll hook it up in their data center
[23:54] <ParkerR> Oh so you buy the Pi thwn you can SSH into it?
[23:54] <tonsit> i mean, no experience
[23:54] <pierut> yeah, buy the pi, ship it to them with a power cable and all the other necessities and they'll give it a network connection
[23:55] <pierut> then you can run daemons
[23:55] <pksato> ParkerR: yes, like others big colocate servers.
[23:55] <Rotselleri> That's brilliant
[23:55] <pierut> like ircd and stuff on their network with a dedicated ip
[23:55] <tonsit> hah
[23:55] <ParkerR> pierut, Never heard it called colocate
[23:55] <ParkerR> Ive more commonly heard VPS
[23:55] <tonsit> colocate is usually when the same information is shared in two datacenters
[23:55] <pierut> its not a vps
[23:55] <pierut> its more like a dedicated server but a very low-powered dedicated server
[23:56] <tonsit> its exactly a dedicated server ;)
[23:56] <ParkerR> A VPS can do that too
[23:56] <plugwash> colocate is where you own the server where you host it
[23:56] <plugwash> * you own the server and they host it
[23:56] <pierut> a vps is a virtual server on a real server with other virtual servers running on it
[23:56] <plugwash> while "dedicated sever" usually means you rent the server and hosting together from a hosting provider
[23:57] <tonsit> w/e its all symantecs, thats pretty cool of them
[23:57] <tonsit> do you know the name of the company?
[23:57] <pierut> yar
[23:57] <pierut> i can find it
[23:57] <tonsit> i have a spare rpi, maybe i'll send it to them =d
[23:57] <pierut> http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/colocate-your-raspberry-pi-in-a-massive-datacenter-for-free-20121010/
[23:57] <tonsit> ty
[23:57] <pierut> np
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