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IRC Log for 2013-02-08

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[0:01] <pierut> i think everyone is looking into colocating their pis now
[0:01] <pierut> :D
[0:01] <Torikun> lol
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[0:01] <Torikun> i would but my pi has too many home use advantages for being home
[0:02] <pierut> i already have a vps
[0:02] <pierut> so no need for me to
[0:02] <pierut> ;)
[0:02] <tonsit> i do too, but that costs me monthly
[0:02] <pierut> yar
[0:02] <pierut> $12/mo here
[0:02] <tonsit> and honestly the rpi is probably stronger than my $6 slice
[0:02] <tonsit> lol
[0:02] <Torikun> and cheaper
[0:02] <tonsit> ^
[0:03] <pierut> mhm
[0:03] <Torikun> Linode here charges $20
[0:03] <Torikun> for the cheapest option
[0:03] <Torikun> and you can not do torrenet =(
[0:03] <pierut> i know a girl that works for linode
[0:04] <pierut> well.. as much as anyone knows anyone on the internet
[0:04] <pierut> she claims shes a she
[0:04] <pierut> :s
[0:04] <KingPin> I know *a* girl.
[0:04] <tonsit> :p
[0:04] <KingPin> does that count?
[0:04] <pierut> irl?
[0:04] <KingPin> sure
[0:04] <pierut> more than i can say :P
[0:04] <KingPin> haha
[0:05] <KingPin> as far as VPS go check out buyvm.net
[0:05] <KingPin> their prices are awesome
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[0:05] <KingPin> lowest one : $15 for a year for 128MB ram with 128 burst
[0:05] <pierut> hrm
[0:05] <pierut> mines $12 and i get 512mb ram
[0:06] <KingPin> for a month.
[0:06] <KingPin> reread mine
[0:06] <pierut> oh
[0:06] <KingPin> :)
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[0:06] <tonsit> their 512 package is only 5.95 a month
[0:06] <KingPin> mhm
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[0:06] <pierut> word
[0:06] <KingPin> i just pick up the 128s as they come in stock
[0:07] <tonsit> heh
[0:07] <KingPin> and just put individual servies as needed on each one
[0:07] <pierut> i actually get 7 something cos i asked for it and know the owner
[0:07] <pierut> ;s
[0:07] <Grievre> So
[0:07] <pierut> ymmv
[0:08] <pierut> ;p
[0:08] <Grievre> fun fact: while the "official" way to try and get the Pi's UART to run at 250000 bps doesn't work, you can actually just poke the right values into the UART registers
[0:08] <Grievre> and the linux serial driver won't notice
[0:08] <pierut> you hacker
[0:08] <plugwash> KingPin, mmm cheap but how reliable are they?
[0:09] <KingPin> plugwash, for me they are very reliable so far
[0:09] <KingPin> check WHT for reviews
[0:09] <KingPin> its where I found them
[0:09] <KingPin> lots and lots of glowing reviews
[0:10] <KingPin> hell they have a a decent sized underground market that just resells buyvm's vps' because they keep running out of stock every time they add new nodes
[0:11] <plugwash> heh
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[0:11] <pierut> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqAtj5Uy6Q8
[0:11] <pierut> :>>
[0:11] <xtaylor> KingPin: how many ips does buyvm.net allow?
[0:11] <KingPin> 1 per VPS and you can purchase more at $1 per ip
[0:11] <xtaylor> hmm, not bad
[0:11] <xtaylor> i'm with linode right now, but tempting to buy a 128mb slice just to play with :)
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[0:12] <KingPin> PS i dont work for or with them, check their site :) i just love what they offer
[0:12] <xtaylor> lies!
[0:12] <KingPin> haha
[0:12] <xtaylor> :P
[0:12] <KingPin> yeah its why I picked one up
[0:12] <KingPin> and just couldnt stop getting more.....
[0:12] <KingPin> they used to be only in san jose, then added buffalo, NY
[0:12] <xtaylor> so hey, back to raspberry pi -- whats everyone doing with theirs?
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[0:12] <KingPin> now last month they mvoed all sanjose machines to nevada
[0:13] <xtaylor> i tried openelec, very cool, but a bit laggish sometimes so I installed raspbian
[0:13] <BigBadGhost> doh! would've been nice to have one in San Jose, that's where I am
[0:13] <xtaylor> any recommended isntalls that aren't apart of the norm?
[0:13] <KingPin> Im using m Rpi as a file/streaming server once i get everything setup
[0:13] <double-you> I want to use mine as nas
[0:13] <xtaylor> hmm, i'm not sure if its powerful enough for a full blown nas?
[0:13] <KingPin> BigBadGhost, nah the DC was shitty, the new one in vegas is awesomer
[0:13] <KingPin> people are getting better response time etc
[0:13] <xtaylor> seeing that xbmc was a *little* sluggish
[0:13] <KingPin> xtaylor, same on xmbc
[0:13] <KingPin> xbmc*
[0:14] <BigBadGhost> Excellent, well, Vegas isn't that far from here anyway, 7-8 hour drive
[0:14] <xtaylor> 4hr drive for me
[0:14] <xtaylor> <-- socal here
[0:14] <BigBadGhost> xtaylor: I use mine as a RaspBMC
[0:14] <pierut> im using arch linux on mine.. it has this weird problem with not finding the firmware stuff though... i found a temporary fix but it'll be gone after a reboot
[0:14] <xtaylor> has anyone got aircrack to work on theirs?
[0:14] <KingPin> pierut, im sticking with raspbian now
[0:14] <xtaylor> that's my next step to tackle
[0:14] <xtaylor> tried the debian sid package
[0:14] <xtaylor> but airodump segfaults.
[0:15] <xtaylor> it creates mon0 no issues though
[0:15] <pierut> reaver is in the repos, you'd probably have more luck with it
[0:15] <pierut> or it is for arch, anyway
[0:15] <xtaylor> yea, dont think it is for raspbian
[0:16] <pierut> i havent tried raspian yet, king
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[0:16] <BigBadGhost> Just put the Adafruit distro on a spare sdcard. Wanted to see what that was about
[0:17] <pierut> xtaylor, anywhere near bullhead city, az? i used to live there.. its near needles, ca
[0:17] <plugwash> xtaylor grab the SOURCE package from sid and build it on raspbian
[0:18] <pierut> i live in kentucky now :(
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[0:20] <xtaylor> plugwash: i thought about doing that.. that's my next step.. i gotta learn the debbuild process
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[0:21] <xtaylor> i'm an rpm ninja, debs are still cryptic to me
[0:21] <xtaylor> pierut: los angeles
[0:21] <pierut> o
[0:21] <pierut> it seems like everyone on the internet lives only in the main ca cities
[0:21] <pierut> ;s
[0:22] <BigBadGhost> I dunno, It seems like there's a whole lot of people in Kentucky
[0:22] <pierut> maybe our streams are crossed ;p
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[0:23] <xtaylor> KingPin: very tempting to buy a 128mb slice and throw a few wraiths on it, lol
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[0:23] <KingPin> :)
[0:24] <xtaylor> i hate you
[0:24] <xtaylor> thanks alot!@#
[0:24] <KingPin> it really is a great way to experiment
[0:24] <KingPin> hahaha
[0:24] <KingPin> np
[0:24] <VetteWork> "PANIC: VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2)" "Entering kdb (current=0xdb82ac80, pid 1) due to Keyboard Entry
[0:24] <VetteWork> one of my Pis just died with that
[0:24] <pierut> d'ph
[0:24] <pierut> d'oh
[0:24] <pierut> x2
[0:25] <xtaylor> KingPin: 128mb slice in vegas is out of stock :(
[0:25] <xtaylor> thats probably a good thign for my bank account
[0:25] <KingPin> they usually are
[0:25] <xtaylor> all they got is 512 in vegas.
[0:25] <KingPin> http://www.doesbuyvmhavestock.com/
[0:25] <KingPin> yes... someone made a site
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[0:26] <xtaylor> lol!
[0:27] <VetteWork> anyone know if that means card is bad?
[0:27] <Torikun> out of stock in San Jose =(
[0:27] <KingPin> VetteWork, i googles your exact words
[0:27] <KingPin> 187 results
[0:28] <KingPin> "PANIC: VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2)"
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[0:28] <Torikun> $6 a month?
[0:28] <Torikun> KingPin: using ext4?
[0:28] <BigBadGhost> What exactly do people use those for?
[0:28] <Torikun> VPS got really cheap
[0:28] <KingPin> that company did
[0:28] <KingPin> not everyone
[0:28] <VetteWork> KingPin, I did that, reading some now, mixed results... this is 2nd time its happened to us.
[0:28] <Torikun> https://my.frantech.ca/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=0
[0:28] * KingPin tosses a disappointed glance at that company with tree in its name
[0:29] <VetteWork> reimaged it last time.. others are saying bad card.
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[0:29] <Torikun> what is the catch with this cheap as hell vps?
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[0:30] <KingPin> Torikun, none that I have seen so far
[0:30] <KingPin> they allow almost everything
[0:31] <KingPin> I have torrented, run irc stuff
[0:31] <Torikun> hmmmmmm
[0:31] <Torikun> wow
[0:31] <KingPin> actually this bouncer im on is on one of their vps
[0:31] <Torikun> will linode get cheaper? lol
[0:31] <KingPin> i doubt it
[0:31] <xtaylor> probably not
[0:31] <xtaylor> at least, not for sometime.
[0:31] <Torikun> how can anyone else compete
[0:31] <xtaylor> in the last year or two, they dropped the 512 price to $20
[0:31] <xtaylor> linode has a badass manager for your nodes though
[0:32] <xtaylor> that's where they win.
[0:32] <Torikun> oh
[0:32] <Torikun> what does the other one have
[0:32] <xtaylor> some have nothing, all done through support requests
[0:32] <plugwash> as long as you stick within your traffic allowance and don't bring in threatening mails from the??AA why would the vps provider care what you use your vps for
[0:34] <Torikun> I got a 3 pi cluster, do not need a VPS right now =)
[0:34] <Torikun> but I will consider it
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[0:36] <plugwash> personally i've been using bytemark for years and found them pretty reliable but not especially cheap
[0:37] <Torikun> A year of that $5 vps will be cheaper than PI
[0:37] <Torikun> lol
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[0:37] <plugwash> (and bytemark also provide raspbian with a free dedicated server on a gigabit uplink which we are very thankful for)
[0:37] <KingPin> Torikun, they have a custom made control panel
[0:38] <KingPin> based on some commercial one available
[0:38] <Torikun> nice
[0:38] <KingPin> i dont recall the name atm
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[0:39] <KingPin> ah Torikun solusvm
[0:39] <Torikun> ah
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[0:50] <pksato> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python-pygame_1.9.1release+dfsg-8_armhf.deb (--unpack): corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[0:50] <pksato> lots of errors like it.
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[0:53] <gordonDrogon> you may have a currupted SD card... check the output of dmesg...
[0:54] <pksato> Yes, waiting to upgrade ends.
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[0:57] <pksato> I need more fast SD card.
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[1:01] <pierut> i need a powered usb hub.. then i can boot to a usb hdd
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[1:10] <pksato> some errors on root fs.
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[1:11] <Coburn> fix them with e2fsck
[1:11] <Coburn> also, turning my R-Pi 256MB into a chat bot
[1:11] <Coburn> I swear that USB I/O is faster than SD I/O
[1:11] <xtaylor> you should make it a pornbot
[1:11] <BigBadGhost> lol
[1:12] <Coburn> I'm running my R-Pi off a USB drive and it's faster
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[1:13] <Coburn> In other news, I'm running my RPi on 900Mhz and 450Mhz DDR clock speed
[1:14] <Coburn> Tried to get 1Ghz but it failed to boot (start.elf failed to boot)
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[1:14] <pierut> do you notice a performance increase?
[1:14] <Coburn> Yup
[1:15] <Coburn> It feels a little faster.
[1:15] <felipealmeida> Does anybody is experiencing problems with arch linux arm while doing too much I/O with USB or SD?
[1:15] <Coburn> Define 'problems' ?
[1:15] <felipealmeida> kevent 2 dropped
[1:15] <Coburn> goes AWOL, crashy, etc
[1:15] <felipealmeida> and lots of alloc failed
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[1:15] <felipealmeida> in dmesg
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[1:16] <Coburn> Hm.... alloc failed... sounds like memory errors
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[1:16] <felipealmeida> after that it becomes unstable
[1:16] <Coburn> what kernel does arch r-pi use?
[1:16] <felipealmeida> lots of memory free though
[1:16] <felipealmeida> 3.6.11
[1:16] <Coburn> I'm on 3.2.x and yet to experience those issues
[1:16] <Coburn> Maybe it needs a patch or something.
[1:16] <felipealmeida> I've seen lots of these problems in google, but with older kernels and turbo_mode=N seemed to fix
[1:16] <Coburn> Yeah, let's say it's a kernel bug
[1:17] <felipealmeida> but I'm already using this option
[1:17] <Coburn> alloc error means that something tried to grab memory that it needed but failed
[1:17] <Coburn> even if you have lots of free memory
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[1:17] <felipealmeida> yes
[1:17] <Coburn> it might be grabbing invalid addresses due to the hardware
[1:17] <Coburn> and that's why it's going unstbale
[1:17] <Coburn> I'd file a bug report
[1:17] <felipealmeida> I've read it seems to be problems with the ethernet and USB conflicts
[1:18] <felipealmeida> but with older kernel versions
[1:18] <felipealmeida> where do I file a bug report?
[1:18] <Coburn> arch arm website should have a bug tracker
[1:18] <Coburn> Well, like I said, I have a USB Flash Drive plugged in (LEXAR 4GB) and using the LAN at the moment... no crashes from downloading stuff via Apt-get
[1:19] <pksato> corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive
[1:19] <felipealmeida> there's a forum, bug tracker in github only I think
[1:19] <pksato> :(, clean cache and down again...
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[1:20] <felipealmeida> there is an irc though ?)
[1:20] <felipealmeida> :)
[1:21] <Coburn> Maybe
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[1:21] <Coburn> I really didn't like Arch Linux in my experience
[1:21] <Coburn> I mean, last time I tried Arch ARM, I softbricked my install
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[1:22] <Coburn> couldn't log in via SSH or console
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[1:23] <felipealmeida> I use arch linux as my PC distribution
[1:23] <felipealmeida> so it is kinda familiar
[1:23] <felipealmeida> and it is usually very updated, which is good for what I need to develop
[1:24] <felipealmeida> but too much updated might not be that good in more unstable (in drivers) architectures
[1:25] <felipealmeida> I've used openembedded/angstrom for beagleboard, but it was hellish difficult to compile it from scratch
[1:25] <felipealmeida> I guess all are
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[1:34] <pksato> lots of errors on console screen. :(
[1:35] <pierut> :<
[1:35] <pksato> # dmesg
[1:35] <pksato> Segmentation fault
[1:35] <pierut> that's never good
[1:36] <pksato> lots of errors related to mmcblk0p2
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[1:59] <BigBadGhost> Is TightVNC my best bet for a VNC client to control my Pi from another linux box?
[2:00] <pronto> no
[2:00] <pronto> no no no
[2:00] <pronto> ssh
[2:00] <pronto> :(
[2:00] <BigBadGhost> Would ssh allow me to access the Pi's gui?
[2:01] <BigBadGhost> Guess I should've put that in the original question:)
[2:01] <hybr1d8> no - ssh is for terminal access
[2:01] <pierut> http://apc.io/products/paper/
[2:01] <BigBadGhost> I ssh to my desktop but I want to SEE the pi
[2:01] <hybr1d8> you can display X-apps back via the ssh connection - but it won't give you a full desktop
[2:01] <pierut> ^ kinda neat
[2:01] <pronto> ssh -X
[2:02] <pronto> (disclaimer:i'm a linux sysadmin and CLI lover)
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[2:02] <pksato> BigBadGhost: any vnc client are fine.
[2:02] <BigBadGhost> Oh, I'm totally with you on CLI. I just wanted to see the Pi's desktop
[2:03] <Zopiac> I wonder if x11vnc is on arm...
[2:03] <hybr1d8> then yes - tightvnc will work okay
[2:03] <pksato> run slow x11vnc on RPi and connect to
[2:03] <hybr1d8> but you will have to run some vnc server on the pi such as vino or x11vnc
[2:04] <hybr1d8> (and also run some sort of desktop on the pi - since by default with raspbian (and most other distros for pi) the X-server is not run on startup
[2:04] <xtaylor> pronto: i want a bagels.xxx vhost :)
[2:04] <pierut> i like running console apps on the pi
[2:05] <pierut> it seems to be best suited for it
[2:05] <pierut> performance-wise
[2:05] <pierut> irssi \o/
[2:05] <pronto> xtaylor: paypal me some money(not much like $5 or $10, and give me an IP , and tell me which <something>.bagels.xxx you want
[2:05] <pierut> i had it hooked to my crt tv last night while lying in bed
[2:05] <pierut> :3
[2:05] <BigBadGhost> Love irssi
[2:05] <mgottschlag> no apps at all, bare metal - even better performance :p
[2:05] <pierut> ;p
[2:05] <pronto> and it wont be a vhost, it'll be for rdns
[2:06] <pierut> you can do lots of things simultaneously in the console with the resources that xorg and wm would use
[2:06] <BigBadGhost> So ssh -X opens the gui on the system you're connected to, right?
[2:06] <pronto> xtaylor: if you acuatly want one; pm me
[2:07] <xtaylor> ah, you want to delegate a subdomain eh
[2:07] <BigBadGhost> Definitely a ssh novice but from what I've used it for, I love it.
[2:07] <pronto> xtaylor: all i can do; i dont set 'vhosts' on this network, but i can give you access to rdns set up
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[2:08] <xtaylor> all i need is AAAA
[2:08] <pronto> oh :( currnetly the dns thing i use dont do aaaa , the one i use for my ifconfig.pro is able to do aaaa
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[2:09] <xtaylor> aye, too bad.
[2:09] <pierut> now i have a vhost
[2:09] <pierut> except its real >_>
[2:09] <pierut> openvpn \o/
[2:09] <pronto> if you toss some cash my way; i'll set you up with a bagels.xxx aaaa subdomain htough (i'll move it)
[2:09] <pronto> ...that bagels.xxx costs me like $70/year >.<
[2:09] <pierut> :>
[2:10] <The_Kraken_> did someone say openvpn?!
[2:10] <pierut> y i said openvpn ;3
[2:10] <xtaylor> yea, i know xxx is damn pricey
[2:10] <xtaylor> i only buy vanity domains when they're $1
[2:10] <pronto> lol
[2:10] <The_Kraken_> Any tips on running your own server on the pi? I can't seem to get mine to mask my external IP
[2:10] <xtaylor> and then let them expire a year later.
[2:10] <xtaylor> unless i can find a renewal for $1
[2:10] <pronto> i own pronto185.com;beer-nation.com;ipconfig.pro;bagels.xxx
[2:11] <xtaylor> never heard of .pro, wtf.
[2:11] <pierut> oh.. no.. im running it on my vps
[2:11] <pierut> somehow i got it working on that
[2:11] <pierut> ;z
[2:11] <pronto> i set up ipconfig.pro so if you use curl, it'll return just the IP
[2:11] <pronto> i'll add more features and what not
[2:11] <The_Kraken_> bah okay -- I can get my client to connect, but it doesn't change my apparent IP
[2:11] <pierut> oh
[2:11] <pronto> ...urgh
[2:11] <pierut> so you want to route your connection through it
[2:11] <pronto> ifconfig.pro
[2:11] <pronto> >.<
[2:12] <pronto> not ip
[2:12] <pronto> <drunk
[2:12] <Primer> you can put anything in /etc/hosts
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[2:12] <The_Kraken_> pierut: yep
[2:12] <Primer> and it'll resolve
[2:12] <pierut> i had to edit iptables with masquerade smthnsmthn
[2:12] <Primer> or a DNS server for that matter
[2:12] <pierut> let me see if i can find that tutorial
[2:12] <pronto> http://ifconfig.pro :D
[2:12] <The_Kraken_> thanks; I was hoping it would be automatic
[2:12] <xtaylor> i got linuxhq.org, operationivy.net, stacking.co.in, jewboo.com, madchild.org, mosthated.net, rapeface.net
[2:13] <The_Kraken_> I suppose I could script it if I really wanted to
[2:13] <xtaylor> :)
[2:13] <pronto> xtaylor: that last one...wat
[2:13] <xtaylor> hahaha
[2:13] <xtaylor> kobe bryant reference.
[2:13] <pronto> oh
[2:13] <pronto> okay
[2:13] <xtaylor> <-- LA native.
[2:13] <Primer> pro. 172800 IN NS a0.pro.afilias-nst.info.
[2:13] <pronto> <dont get ref>
[2:13] <pronto> i know who the guy is
[2:13] <xtaylor> well, you remember his rape case?
[2:13] <xtaylor> with the white girl?
[2:13] <xtaylor> that got banged by a bunch of dudes supposedly
[2:14] <pronto> not at all
[2:14] <Primer> I used to own sh.nu
[2:14] <xtaylor> http://wilymomoonshot.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/kobe21.jpg
[2:14] <pronto> i follow NFL; and sometimes NHL when that DC team does well
[2:14] <pierut> The_Kraken_, http://blog.wains.be/2008/07/18/openvpn-routing-all-traffic-through-the-vpn-tunnel/
[2:14] <pronto> thats it
[2:14] <xtaylor> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant_sexual_assault_case
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[2:14] <pierut> not the one i used but it looks similar
[2:14] <Primer> but then the .nu people wanted ???250 to renew it one year. Needless to say, I wasn't about to pay that much to keep it
[2:14] <The_Kraken_> pierut: thanks. All the guides I found suggested appending a line to the client config, but that didn't work for me
[2:14] <The_Kraken_> because it was supposedly windows-specific
[2:15] * The_Kraken_ uses a mac
[2:15] <pierut> it took me awhile to figure it out
[2:15] <pierut> i thought it would be automatic, also
[2:15] <pierut> ;s
[2:15] * pierut releases The_Kraken_
[2:15] <pierut> :p
[2:16] <pierut> on windows it still tells me i dont have internet though the vpn connection
[2:17] <pierut> but i do
[2:17] <pierut> took me awhile to realize that too
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[2:19] <The_Kraken_> peirut: :P
[2:20] <pierut> The_Kraken_, i'd worry less about the openvpn configuration and focus on the iptables line and the line above it
[2:20] <pierut> if you're already able to connect to it
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[2:20] * Torikun runs openvpn on the pi. Need help?
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[2:21] <pierut> The_Kraken_ was/is having trouble routing his traffic through the vpn connection
[2:21] <Torikun> DNS or does he want all traffic to go through
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[2:22] <pierut> im not sure
[2:22] <pierut> i mentioned this page.. http://blog.wains.be/2008/07/18/openvpn-routing-all-traffic-through-the-vpn-tunnel/
[2:22] <pierut> which worked for me on my vps
[2:22] <The_Kraken_> Torikun: all traffic
[2:22] <Torikun> i can show you my iptables and config file
[2:22] <The_Kraken_> I'd like my aparent IP to change
[2:22] <The_Kraken_> Torikun: Please.
[2:22] <Torikun> dm me
[2:23] <Torikun> and I will share
[2:23] <pierut> dm o_O
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[2:35] <aaa801> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tar.png
[2:36] <pierut> tar -xf archive.tar
[2:36] <pierut> \o/
[2:36] <pronto> tar -potato
[2:37] <hybr1d8> you can save one character and skip the - ;)
[2:37] <Torikun> lol
[2:37] <pierut> ;s
[2:37] <hybr1d8> tar xf archive.tar
[2:37] <Torikun> yup
[2:37] <pronto> i always use tar xvff
[2:37] <pronto> i always use tar xvf
[2:37] <aaa801> and pronto is dead
[2:37] <aaa801> :P
[2:37] <pronto> :(
[2:37] <pronto> why
[2:37] <aaa801> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tar.png
[2:37] <aaa801> :P
[2:37] <hybr1d8> same here generally - except when connected via slow net ;)
[2:37] <pronto> but xvf works...
[2:37] <aaa801> xvff!
[2:37] <pronto> oh
[2:37] <pronto> right
[2:37] <pronto> darn
[2:37] <aaa801> first try u dead
[2:37] <aaa801> ;P
[2:37] <pronto> ;_;
[2:38] <pierut> is -potato an easteregg
[2:38] <Torikun> the radiation is compressed in the bomb lol
[2:38] <pierut> ._.
[2:38] <pronto> -.-
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[2:38] <pksato> tar of that variant of unix?
[2:38] <Torikun> lol
[2:38] <Torikun> Solaris !
[2:38] <aaa801> O GOD NO
[2:38] <aaa801> KILL IT
[2:39] <hybr1d8> don't know solaris - very good for server-side tasks :)
[2:39] <Torikun> lol
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[2:39] <Torikun> on Solaris tar, you gotta gzip with pipe to tar
[2:39] <pierut> tar -xzf
[2:39] <pierut> or um
[2:39] <pierut> tar xzf?
[2:40] <pierut> ;o
[2:40] <Torikun> switches are different
[2:40] <Torikun> lol
[2:40] <hybr1d8> not on solaris 11 - with that tar supports the z option
[2:40] <Torikun> nice!
[2:41] <hybr1d8> (was added in about 5 years ago)
[2:41] <pierut> im so new school
[2:41] <Torikun> lol
[2:41] <hybr1d8> and even before then you could use gtar if you wanted gnu tar stuff
[2:41] <aaa801> see solaris this is why your on the naughty step of linux, along with arch
[2:41] <Torikun> Solaris 11 gives away the software for free now
[2:42] <Torikun> Free repos!
[2:42] <Torikun> unlike 10
[2:42] <aaa801> i dont want it even if it is free,
[2:42] <aaa801> q_q
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[2:42] <hybr1d8> eventually linux will catch up with solaris for servers - but still a bit off yet ;)
[2:42] <pksato> http://sourceforge.net/projects/suicide-linux/files/
[2:42] <Torikun> such as hybr1d8?
[2:43] <Torikun> you want your zones?
[2:43] <Torikun> lol
[2:43] <hybr1d8> mostly in stuff like zfs and dtrace along with packaging
[2:43] <Torikun> ah
[2:43] <Torikun> I like lvm better
[2:43] <hybr1d8> (and no - btrfs is not even close to zfs yet)
[2:44] <pierut> lol suicide linux
[2:44] <pierut> ;s
[2:45] <Torikun> hybr1d8: how is zfs coming along on Linux
[2:45] <hybr1d8> not 'too' bad for data filesystems, but not for boot as yet
[2:45] <Torikun> oh
[2:45] <Torikun> you like zfs more than linux lvm?
[2:45] <hybr1d8> performance is still not up there with other FS's yet - and licensing makes things hard
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[2:46] <hybr1d8> by a long shot - zfs is the volume manager + filesystem in one
[2:46] <hybr1d8> makes things much simpler and more capable
[2:46] <Torikun> but linux can have different FS on LVM
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[2:47] <hybr1d8> you 'can' put a different FS on a zpool - but not recommended since performance will never be as good as keeping it all in the same basket ;)
[2:47] <Torikun> I like how expanding and shrinking is better on LVM rather than ZFS
[2:47] <Torikun> more flexible
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[2:48] <Armand> Torikun, I don't know much about LVM.. can that be used on a RAID set, to expand storage by adding drives?
[2:48] <Torikun> I like how creation and snapshots are fast though on zfs
[2:48] <Torikun> you can mix RAID and LVM
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[2:48] <Torikun> LVM has some raid capability also
[2:49] <Armand> Say I were using CentOS, would that be a typical way to do it?
[2:49] <Torikun> mirroring an striping
[2:49] <Torikun> Yeah
[2:49] <Armand> Coolies.. :)
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[2:49] <Torikun> Lvm supports: Snap shots, RAID 0 RAID 1
[2:49] <Armand> I'm reading up on server-side stuff.
[2:49] <hybr1d8> For zfs there is generally no need to expand/shrink on zfs - you just set quotas on datasets
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[2:49] <Torikun> but to increase your volume size
[2:49] <hybr1d8> and adding disks to the volume is a simple 'zpool add <disk>' command
[2:49] <Torikun> or pool size
[2:50] <Torikun> VxFS FTW!
[2:50] <Armand> So.. that would work on say, a cloud arrangement ?
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[2:50] <hybr1d8> zpools can be set to autoexpand to the space available - so just add a disk and nothing more needs to be done
[2:50] <Torikun> Armand: all my VM's are stored on a linux lvm volume
[2:50] <Armand> :)
[2:51] <Torikun> instead of a file, it's on /dev/vg/vol
[2:51] <Armand> I'm just trying to get a few concepts clear in my head, so it's all good info. :)
[2:51] <Torikun> makes it easy to mirror and copy vm's
[2:51] <Torikun> and clone
[2:51] <Armand> Coolies.
[2:51] <Armand> I have to look into all of that.
[2:51] <Torikun> Logival Volumes are the coolest
[2:51] <Torikun> saved me many times
[2:51] <Torikun> and check out snapshots
[2:51] <Armand> Ohh, I'll have to.
[2:52] <hybr1d8> yep - always snapshot before making major changes (package updates/changes included)
[2:52] <Torikun> i want lvm on the pi
[2:52] <Armand> I've recently started working at a webhost/server providers.. so, I have a lot to learn
[2:52] <Torikun> hybr1d8: use lvm on the pi?
[2:52] <Torikun> Armand: in the bay area?
[2:52] <hybr1d8> no - lvm is a bit of overkill on the pi - If I need snapshots I'll just use btrfs
[2:52] <Armand> I'm doing customer support at the moment.
[2:53] <Torikun> oh
[2:53] <pierut> The_Kraken_, any luck?
[2:53] <hybr1d8> but the way I use the pi I'm not too worried (rootfs is imaged to another machine so even if sd card dies I'm back up and running quick)
[2:53] <Armand> I have some experience there.. I'm working on my Linux skills. :)
[2:53] <Armand> I bought the Pi as a learning tool for this exact purpose.
[2:53] <pierut> i got mad skillz
[2:53] <Torikun> THe pi helped me a lot Armand, learned more about email and dns
[2:54] <Torikun> and some other stuff
[2:54] <Armand> Ohh, I'll be rolling in that stuff. :)
[2:54] <Torikun> I got 4 PI's at home powering the house
[2:54] <Torikun> lol
[2:54] <Armand> I've been looking at domain transfers and e-mail servers.
[2:55] <pierut> home automation?
[2:55] <Torikun> proxy, openvpn,
[2:55] <Torikun> email
[2:55] <pierut> o
[2:55] <Torikun> Armand: I can help you with email, struggeld hard on that on the pi
[2:55] <pierut> i use google apps for my email >_>
[2:55] <Torikun> cheating lol
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[2:56] <pierut> its so easy and reliable though ;p
[2:56] <Armand> Torikun, It's not high up the list, but I do want an e-mail server for my domain.
[2:56] <Torikun> my PI's use gmail as a smtp relay
[2:56] <pierut> ;D
[2:56] <Torikun> only because they have to lol
[2:56] <Torikun> stupid isp's!
[2:56] <Armand> ?
[2:56] <pierut> o>
[2:56] <Armand> What's the issue there?
[2:57] <Torikun> ISP's do not let you send emails out
[2:57] <JakeSays> pierut: heh. i use google apps too.
[2:57] <Torikun> Armand: linux-toys.com -> I wrote a guide on there how to do email with gmail relay
[2:57] <Torikun> bookmark it lol
[2:57] <Armand> That's typical, I here.. I'm hoping I won't have that issue.
[2:57] <Torikun> You will
[2:57] <Armand> I might contact my ISP before I setup the e-mail serfer.
[2:57] <Armand> *server
[2:57] <Torikun> y
[2:57] <JakeSays> Torikun: depends on the ISP and the configuration of your email server
[2:58] <Armand> I have no intention of spamming.. so, they've no reason to block it.
[2:58] <Torikun> Yeah good luck
[2:58] <Armand> I know.. :P
[2:58] <Armand> If that doesn't work, I'll just order an e-mail server at work.
[2:58] <Torikun> znc is a must on the Pi
[2:59] <JakeSays> znc?
[2:59] <Torikun> IRC bouncer
[2:59] <JakeSays> ah
[2:59] <Torikun> you connect to the pi to do irc from any client on any device, always connected
[2:59] <Armand> I was looking at that.. but on a laptop I have spare
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[2:59] <JakeSays> i use quassel for that
[2:59] <Hodapp> I just do irssi in a screen in an SSH session
[2:59] <Torikun> that is a client right?
[2:59] <JakeSays> its both
[2:59] <Armand> I don't like the idea of logging on the SD.
[3:00] <Armand> Especially IRC
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[3:00] <Torikun> irssi in screen is not as good because znc is good from any device/client
[3:00] <Hodapp> Armand: why not?
[3:00] <Armand> Hodapp, writes. O_o
[3:00] <Torikun> Armand: you will replace the PI before teh SD wears out
[3:00] <Armand> I hope not.. lol
[3:00] <Torikun> Yes
[3:00] <Torikun> we are all geeks here
[3:00] <Torikun> we replace devices
[3:00] <JakeSays> use a hard drive for logs
[3:00] <pierut> i use znc on my vps
[3:00] <Torikun> SD write limitation is not bad as you think
[3:01] <Armand> Well.. I'll keep it minimal. ;)
[3:01] <Torikun> your PI will be toilet paper
[3:01] <Hodapp> Armand: Try something. Look at the number of write cycles and estimate the amount of data that logging will write.
[3:01] <Torikun> by the time
[3:01] <Armand> I won't use a HD, as that will require extra power.
[3:01] <pierut> might as well make a swap partition too
[3:01] <pierut> if we're killing sdcards
[3:01] <pierut> ;p
[3:01] <Torikun> i do not use swap on any of my PI's
[3:01] <Torikun> I balance the load good lol
[3:01] <Armand> Mine never touches the swap..
[3:02] <JakeSays> i just went with the default partitions. i have no idea if i'm using swap
[3:02] <Armand> I'll remove the swap eventually.
[3:02] <Torikun> free -m
[3:02] <JakeSays> so any of you guys tried a gertboard yet?
[3:02] <Torikun> no
[3:02] <Torikun> I want the camera module!
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[3:03] <JakeSays> i'm thinking of getting a couple of those gerts
[3:03] <Torikun> for?
[3:03] <BigBadGhost> Gah, vnc server on pi keeps refusing connection
[3:04] <Armand> https://www.modmypi.com/gpio-accessories/Adafruit-Pi-Cobbler-Breakout-Kit-for-Raspberry-Pi
[3:04] <Armand> I want those..
[3:04] <Torikun> nobody wants the cam?
[3:04] <Armand> Not me..
[3:04] <Armand> Maybe in future.
[3:05] <Torikun> home surveillance system
[3:05] <Armand> Can't be arsed.. I have a dog. :P
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[3:07] <JakeSays> Torikun: the cam is interesting, but i'm more interested in controlling things
[3:07] <Torikun> ah
[3:07] <Armand> And, taking over the world, right?
[3:07] <pierut> mad as a hatter
[3:08] <JakeSays> lol no, just the many stepper motors i have laying around
[3:08] <pierut> midi keyboard -> rpi -> stepper motors -> ??? -> music!
[3:09] <Torikun> i love how whatismyip.org an whatismyip.com has two different values
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[3:09] <pierut> whatismyhostname.com is nice too
[3:10] <Torikun> how do I know who to trust
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[3:11] <Armand> Hint: Not Microsoft. :P
[3:11] <Torikun> lol
[3:11] <JakeSays> i'd like to build a whiteboard plotter
[3:13] <Torikun> haha whatismyhostname says a different device
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[3:14] <Torikun> all three sites reporting different data
[3:14] <Red_M> hey i was wondering if it was possible to run Jasager
[3:14] <Red_M> on the pi?
[3:15] <JakeSays> jasager?
[3:15] <Torikun> isn't that a drink ? =)
[3:15] <pierut> i think its a usb thingy
[3:15] <pierut> hak5 talks about it lots
[3:15] <pierut> er
[3:15] <pierut> isnt that what they use in the wifi pineapple?
[3:15] <Armand> Right.. time for bed. .o/
[3:15] <Armand> Gnite all
[3:15] <hybr1d8> It mostly could - but would need a fair bit of effort
[3:16] <Red_M> yes.
[3:16] <pierut> mitm
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[3:16] <pierut> hax0rz are afoot
[3:16] <hybr1d8> (since jasager normally sits on backtrack/x86 so I'm not sure all the same packages are built for debian/arm
[3:16] <Red_M> i was wondering because i recently invested in an alfa wifi card
[3:16] <Red_M> looking at some wifi packet injections
[3:17] <JakeSays> Red_M: to what end?
[3:18] <Red_M> ive got ha-pi and raspian on the pi atm
[3:18] <Torikun> ha-pi>
[3:18] <Torikun> ?
[3:18] <Red_M> one sec
[3:18] <JakeSays> Red_M: i mean, why the packet injections?
[3:18] <Torikun> high availabilitY?
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[3:19] <xiambax> Any new rad rpi news today other then their sick new office?
[3:19] <Red_M> check the wiki for the dist you can put on the rPI
[3:19] <Red_M> *dists
[3:19] <Red_M> but ha-pi seems to have alot of the backtrack stuff on it
[3:20] <Red_M> metasploit, reaver, aircrack, etc
[3:20] <JakeSays> so you're not going to answer?
[3:20] <Red_M> well im hoping to effectively turn the rPI into a pineapple
[3:21] <pierut> he is questioning your motives
[3:21] <Torikun> http://map.honeycloud.net/ ---> see all the pi's getting hacked
[3:21] <Red_M> because i love to pick things apart
[3:22] <Red_M> lol i dont see my home IP there
[3:22] <Red_M> so im good
[3:22] <Torikun> lol
[3:22] <JakeSays> Red_M: so you're in the security business?
[3:22] <Red_M> plus i only have ssh open on to my home server then to get my pi you need to then ssh to it on my home LAN
[3:22] <Red_M> JakeSays: somewhat
[3:22] * Torikun is a pimp looking to see how the Raspberry PI's will help his hoe business
[3:23] <pierut> hoe business, eh
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[3:23] <JakeSays> somewhat meaning probably not so much
[3:23] <Red_M> JakeSays: well i work as a sysadmin
[3:23] <Red_M> i got to build defenses what is better than knowing all the attacks
[3:24] <hybr1d8> you can never know all the attacks :(
[3:24] <Red_M> i hack so i can build something to stop that
[3:24] <Torikun> I am sure everyone here gets their home ssh server attacked by China daily
[3:24] <hybr1d8> best bet is to minimise attack vectors
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[3:24] <Red_M> hybr1d8: thats why most of my exeturnal servers have DOME9 on them
[3:24] <Torikun> My home does get attacked by China daily
[3:24] <hybr1d8> (and if anyone is still using a pi with default user/password then they deserve to get hacked :P)
[3:25] <Torikun> lol
[3:25] <Torikun> I decided to keep it safe and use the default ssh keys that came with arch. Im elite.
[3:26] <hybr1d8> that's not elite - thats 133t :P
[3:26] <Red_M> lol i use 2048bit RSA ssh keys for all my servers. and the priv key is password protected. then my phone's ssh key is 4096bit RSA with password as well.
[3:26] <Torikun> lol
[3:26] <Red_M> plus i tunnel over these 2048bit and 4096bit keys too
[3:27] <Torikun> and your phone has a pistol attached to it for physical security
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[3:27] <Red_M> yush
[3:28] <Red_M> well sorta
[3:28] <Red_M> i just use overkill sec
[3:28] <Red_M> but im really looking to turn my rPI into a pineapple
[3:28] <Torikun> all your servers use encrypted boot disks?
[3:28] <Red_M> Torikun: no need...
[3:28] <Red_M> you cant even get in the door
[3:28] <Torikun> that would suck in a server enviornment wouldn't it?
[3:29] <Red_M> yes
[3:29] <Torikun> hard to reboot remotely
[3:29] <Red_M> seeing as you cant actually connect to it
[3:29] <Torikun> I guess bmc card may help
[3:29] <Red_M> or the ssh server
[3:29] <Torikun> BMC could help
[3:29] <Red_M> need my IP address
[3:29] <hybr1d8> simple - go to nearest power substation and trigger EMP
[3:29] <Torikun> BMC can use static
[3:29] <Torikun> or dhcp
[3:29] <hybr1d8> transformer restarts and all your servers reboot
[3:29] <Red_M> hybr1d8: then gg.... data center.... UPS....
[3:29] <hybr1d8> (unless you have UPS of course ;) )
[3:30] <Torikun> then you can access BIOS/console over a display
[3:30] <Red_M> i have 4 exturnal servers. 2 US ones and 2 AU ones
[3:30] <Red_M> one click they dump HDD
[3:30] <Torikun> what do you mean dump?
[3:31] <Red_M> and it only takes me one hour to get them back in working order
[3:31] <Red_M> Torikun: uses dd to 0 out the hDD
[3:31] <Torikun> oh
[3:31] <Red_M> well
[3:31] <Red_M> sorta
[3:31] <Red_M> its more of... lets format / and then dd over that
[3:31] <hybr1d8> if you want secure delete for hdd then dd'ing with 0 is not enough ;)
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[3:32] <hybr1d8> with suitable equipment you can still recover the data
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[3:32] <Red_M> hybr1d8: not if i then tell it to reimage
[3:32] <JakeSays> i find the best way to whipe a hdd is magnesium
[3:32] <hybr1d8> thermite FTW
[3:33] <Red_M> no
[3:33] <Torikun> Lava
[3:33] <Torikun> lava is the best way
[3:33] <Red_M> think about the other servers in the rack
[3:33] <Red_M> you use lightning strikes
[3:33] <Red_M> on the HDD disk
[3:33] <hybr1d8> for a DoD compliant disk wipe (5220.22-? from memory) you need to write data multiple times
[3:33] <hybr1d8> and the data must change each time
[3:33] <Red_M> while its spinning
[3:33] <JakeSays> drop a magnesium flare on top box in the rack and the entire rack will be taken care of nicely
[3:34] <hybr1d8> 7 passes - F6,00,FF,random,00,FF,random
[3:34] <Torikun> still not as good as lava
[3:34] <JakeSays> Torikun: possibly, but then lava is 1) hard to come by and 2) hard to hold.
[3:34] <Torikun> lol
[3:34] <Torikun> molted metal like what killed the terminator?
[3:34] <hybr1d8> truth is nothing in software can do it 100% securely - so a burn box is needed
[3:35] <Red_M> sigh
[3:35] <hybr1d8> (a special 'oven' which burns the disk and then crushes it)
[3:35] <Red_M> lightning strikes destory the disk
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[3:35] <Red_M> as in you are left with no metal in disk
[3:35] <JakeSays> hybr1d8: they're shredded then burned/melted
[3:35] <Red_M> so there is nothing to store data on
[3:36] <hybr1d8> hmm - the last one I used did it the other way around
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[3:36] <MrKeuner> hello, is it a bad idea to put raspberry pi in a closed iphone cardboard box? :)
[3:36] <MrKeuner> i drilled 4 holes at the top though
[3:36] <Torikun> good idea got a pic?
[3:36] <MrKeuner> plus two holes for cables
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[3:37] <hybr1d8> as long as you didn't drill the holes while the pi was in the box (and go right through the pi) you should be right ;)
[3:37] <JakeSays> hybr1d8: i've only used military facilities, so commercial boxes might do it differently
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[3:37] <BigBadGhost> MrKeuner: That IS a cool idea
[3:37] <UnaClocker> I have a Pi in the clear plastic box the iPod Touches come in.. It works fine.
[3:37] <MrKeuner> BigBadGhost, Torikun it fits in quite well actually
[3:37] <Torikun> Pic!
[3:37] <MrKeuner> Torikun, no pics sorry
[3:37] <Torikun> lol
[3:38] <Torikun> aw
[3:38] <MrKeuner> wait I'll try to take one
[3:38] <JakeSays> i'm gonna use legos when i get around to building cases
[3:38] <ParkerR> I use an Altoids tin
[3:38] <BigBadGhost> My pi is laying on the floor next to the tv, I really should get something to put it in:P
[3:38] <Torikun> http://linux-toys.com/?q=node/13 funny pi pic
[3:38] <JakeSays> ParkerR: i thought about that but too much metal
[3:38] <ParkerR> JakeSays, Who says http://imgur.com/a/oL7Ay
[3:39] <JakeSays> ParkerR: yeah, i wasn't in the mood to isolate all the metal.
[3:39] <Red_M> looks like someone made a thing similar to what hak5 did with the occu-pineapple
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[3:39] <ParkerR> JakeSays, Heh
[3:40] <Torikun> i lvoe the altoids
[3:40] <JakeSays> ParkerR: it took me 5 months to get my pis
[3:40] <Red_M> wonder if i can just compile from source on the pi Jasager and see if that works
[3:40] <ParkerR> JakeSays, ine was 5 days :)
[3:40] <ParkerR> *Mine
[3:40] <ParkerR> Estimated ship was like 3 weeks in the future
[3:41] <hybr1d8> last one I bought arrived two days after ordering ;)
[3:41] <Red_M> hmmm Jasager needs a fireware thing
[3:41] <ParkerR> Red_M, Firewire?
[3:42] <Red_M> *firmware
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[3:42] <Red_M> i type abit too quick sometimes
[3:42] <ParkerR> Hahaha
[3:42] <JakeSays> apparently i oreded my pis just before the rev2's were released
[3:42] <ParkerR> JakeSays, D:
[3:42] <BigBadGhost> Same here
[3:42] <BigBadGhost> Was soo mad
[3:42] <hybr1d8> the firmware is only relevant for the Fon device
[3:43] <JakeSays> BigBadGhost: it was ok - i got the rev2s
[3:43] <BigBadGhost> Got the Pi, and a week later they said new Pi would ship with 512mb
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[3:43] <Red_M> i got the rev2 B board
[3:43] <markbook> shit changes.
[3:44] <Red_M> stupid thing wont overclock to 800MHz and sdram clock to 500MHz
[3:44] <BigBadGhost> Yep, just not USUALLY right after I buy them
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[3:44] * Red_M cats /proc/cpuinfo
[3:44] <Red_M> *700MHz*
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[3:45] <MrKeuner> http://ubuntuone.com/29QOWMKI8BsL33nsHVmz8E
[3:45] <MrKeuner> http://ubuntuone.com/2DhrwxvI35UdUQMxAz2FVy
[3:46] <ParkerR> 700mhz seems to be working fine for me
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[3:46] <MrKeuner> hey, I do not want my raspberry pi burn :) So, heating wouldn't be a problem in this box?
[3:47] <Red_M> ParkerR: thats the default clock
[3:47] <ParkerR> MrKeuner, Anything below 80c should be OK
[3:47] <ParkerR> Anything under 60c is optimal
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[3:47] <ParkerR> I think the chip is rated at about 80ish
[3:48] <ParkerR> vcgencmd measure_temp
[3:48] <MrKeuner> ParkerR, does rpi have a heat sensor bundled in? :)
[3:48] <ParkerR> MrKeuner, That command
[3:48] <Torikun> Nice MrKeuner
[3:48] <ParkerR> vcgencmd measure_temp
[3:48] <ParkerR> MrKeuner, The CPU does
[3:49] <defiantredpill> the pi has a heat sensor, yes
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[3:49] <MrKeuner> ParkerR, cool in both meanings
[3:50] <MrKeuner> showing only 53c and it is currently under my desk lamp providing extra heat for the box
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[3:50] <Torikun> not bad
[3:50] <Torikun> is it with cover on?
[3:50] <MrKeuner> yes
[3:50] <Torikun> cool
[3:50] <Red_M> oh right i booted my pi to ha-pi
[3:50] <Red_M> no vcgencmd measure_temp
[3:50] <ParkerR> Red_M, /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[3:51] <VetteWork> is there a way to get a F outa that vs C?
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[3:52] <UnaClocker> degreesC * 9/5 + 32
[3:53] <ParkerR> VetteWork, cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp | awk '{ $1 = (((9/5)*$1)+32)/1000 } 1''
[3:53] <Red_M> ParkerR: ha-pi not the raspian OS
[3:53] <Red_M> wont work
[3:53] <ParkerR> Should still be there somewhere
[3:53] <ParkerR> sudo find / | grep vcgencmd
[3:53] <JakeSays> VetteWork: thats what happens when you let those britts build machines
[3:53] <BigBadGhost> lol
[3:54] <VetteWork> jake, ya i knoe
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[3:55] <ParkerR> That's also what you get when they make UK versions of the laptop by just modifying the US layout http://i.minus.com/ibthqa8Ob75XSQ.JPG
[3:55] <ParkerR> *lapdock
[3:55] <monkeymon> has anyone done much benchmark testing of the graphics performance on the various system on a chip arm offerings?
[3:56] <Red_M> oh right i mounted the sd card as /sd
[3:56] <Red_M> i can access it from ha-pi
[3:56] <ParkerR> Heh
[3:56] <ParkerR> Red_M, Right location?
[3:57] <Red_M> /sd/usr/bin/vcgencmd
[3:57] <ParkerR> Ahh
[3:57] <ParkerR> Yeah I used opt because not all OSs make a symlink or put it in /usr
[3:57] <Red_M> and it wont work
[3:57] <ParkerR> How so?
[3:58] <Red_M> no i made it boot into ha-pi by making the bootloader mount my usb as / instead of the sd card partition with raspian on it
[3:58] <Red_M> so i can switch OS by changing what it mounts / from
[3:59] <Red_M> then reboot
[3:59] <hybr1d8> Are you changing at the bootloader - or at fstab level?
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[4:00] <Red_M> /boot/cmdline.txt
[4:00] <groundnuty> hey, anyone ever userd/saw a donwload link of http://weblog.rogueamoeba.com/2012/04/26/arm-support-in-airfoil-speakers-for-linux/ ?
[4:01] <hybr1d8> that would mean the kernel stays the same though (so modules may not load properly if the kernels are not similar enough)
[4:01] <groundnuty> I'm setting airplay and wish airfoil had atm binary :)
[4:01] <groundnuty> *arm
[4:02] <monkeymon> ?
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[4:14] <ParkerR> Haha
[4:14] <Red_M> hybr1d8: i seem to have gotten metasploit running on the pi
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[4:16] <Red_M> and the CPU is dying
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[4:18] <Red_M> i could do this via a VM
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[4:20] <Red_M> think i could get virtual box on to the pi?
[4:21] <Red_M> hmmm wont be able to do anything but ARM OSes
[4:21] <ztag100> Red_M: um, why?
[4:21] <Red_M> wonder if there is a openwrt ARM build
[4:21] <Red_M> ztag100: wifi hacking
[4:22] <ztag100> haha
[4:22] <ztag100> well, I was thinking about buying a cheap 7inch monitor, and a battery pack
[4:22] <Red_M> lol im like fuck a monitor... i do everything via ssh
[4:22] <Red_M> the real man's way
[4:22] <ztag100> then, I'm going to put my raspberry pi in my locker at school, and be epic like Kim Possible
[4:23] <ztag100> Though, powering the monitor will be a struggle
[4:23] <Red_M> cool story i have this thing called an android phone
[4:23] <ztag100> Haha
[4:23] <Red_M> i do hacks from that too
[4:23] <Red_M> wait a sec
[4:23] <Red_M> i could get ha-pi to run on my phone
[4:24] <Red_M> YES! THEN I CAN HAZ METASPLOIT ON MA PHONE
[4:24] <ztag100> I don't use my locker at school (I just keep everything at home) so, I figured I could just make it an extremely station
[4:24] <ParkerR> So I suck at bash but
[4:24] <ztag100> epic*
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[4:24] <ParkerR> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=hfmsLK1T
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[4:25] <ParkerR> Converts the vcgencmd measure_temp output to fahrenheit
[4:25] <Red_M> where did i put that script...
[4:25] <ParkerR> Red_M, Anywhere
[4:25] <Red_M> ParkerR: i could do a oneliner python script
[4:25] <ParkerR> The chmod +x script.sh
[4:25] <Red_M> because i fuckin rock
[4:25] <ParkerR> Red_M, Yeah a bash one liner could be done too
[4:25] <ztag100> Is there such thing as a battery powered monitor?
[4:25] <ParkerR> I just havent bash'd much yet
[4:26] <ParkerR> ztag100, Yes
[4:26] <Red_M> ParkerR: one sec
[4:26] <ParkerR> Well how big of a monitor
[4:26] <ParkerR> The Atrix lapdock is an HDMI monitor
[4:26] <ParkerR> Powers from a built in battery
[4:26] <ztag100> That would be perfect!
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[4:27] <ztag100> It would also serve as a secondary laptop
[4:27] <ztag100> (although, epically under powered)
[4:27] <ParkerR> Well yeah
[4:27] <ParkerR> The Pi wpuld be the brains
[4:28] <ParkerR> *would
[4:28] <ztag100> Heh
[4:28] <ztag100> 200 bucks
[4:28] <ztag100> never mind..
[4:28] <ParkerR> ztag100, nope
[4:28] <ztag100> ?
[4:28] <ParkerR> If you can find it in stock at some places http://www.bensoutlet.com/products/motorola-lapdock-atrix-4g
[4:29] <ParkerR> It was $40
[4:29] <ztag100> Hm
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[4:32] <shurizzle> woah
[4:32] <ParkerR> ztag100, And the end result http://i.minus.com/iI1QnllhXex4t.JPG
[4:33] <ParkerR> http://i.minus.com/iQXy1aNQLHMgO.JPG
[4:34] <ztag100> So much dust on this guys screen
[4:34] <ztag100> lol
[4:34] <ParkerR> :P
[4:34] <shurizzle> ParkerR: does bensoutlet ships in italy?
[4:34] <ParkerR> shurizzle, Im not sure but they are out of stock and may forever be
[4:34] <ParkerR> Not sure
[4:34] <shurizzle> ParkerR: it's not for atrix
[4:35] <ParkerR> Oh in geberal not sure
[4:35] <ParkerR> *general
[4:35] <shurizzle> hopefully
[4:36] <shurizzle> >Do you ship outside the United States?
[4:36] <shurizzle> >No. Our sincerest apologies to all of our Ben???s Outlet brethren who live internationally, but at this time we only ship within the United States.
[4:37] <ztag100> I need to get my wifi dongle working on my Pi too
[4:37] <shurizzle> it's a pity
[4:37] <ztag100> then, I can get on my school network
[4:37] <ztag100> but, powering the setup would be a pain
[4:37] <ParkerR> ztag100, Does the wifi adapter work when at home?
[4:38] <ztag100> ParkerR: It needs drivers and stuff that I haven't bothered to setup yet
[4:38] <ParkerR> ztag100, Are you talking about the lapdock powering?
[4:38] <ztag100> ParkerR: well the Pi and the Lapdock
[4:38] <ztag100> I'd have to bring them home to charge
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[4:38] <ParkerR> ztag100, Powering is not a pain
[4:38] <ParkerR> ztag100, about 5 hours per charge
[4:38] <ParkerR> With wifi going
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[4:39] <ztag100> for the pi or the lapdock?
[4:39] <ParkerR> ztag100, The lapdock has a built in baterry...
[4:40] <ParkerR> And that would be the whole setup
[4:40] <ztag100> wait, could I run the pi off the lapdock battery?
[4:40] <ParkerR> YES thats the point
[4:40] <ParkerR> About 5 hours powering it off the lapdocks battery
[4:40] <ztag100> haha
[4:40] <ztag100> sorry, I wasn't following completely
[4:40] <ztag100> alrigh
[4:42] <ztag100> well, now I need to figure out if I could get a lapdock (at a reasonable price, I'm not looking to spend more than like 50 bucks on this project)
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[4:43] <Torikun> http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Bionic-Lapdock--Retail-Packaging/dp/B005OOIS1U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360294989&sr=8-1&keywords=lapdock
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[4:56] <ParkerR> ztag100, What Torikun posted will also work
[4:57] <ParkerR> Just another version of the lapdock
[4:57] <ztag100> Yeah, I checked it out, though, it still isn't at as cheap a price as I wanted
[4:57] <ztag100> (which may not be possible)
[4:58] <ParkerR> Sadly
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[5:02] <ztag100> :/
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[5:15] <Torikun> $80 not bad
[5:15] <Torikun> 8used from 67.99
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[5:23] <ParkerR> ztag100, Just for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0hc_z1L03Q
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[5:25] <yeboot> netsplit over?
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[5:28] <yeboot> hello Rpi
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[5:30] <ztag100> ParkerR, thanks! :)
[5:30] <ztag100> still watching, but it seems pretty legit!
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[5:32] <ztag100> ParkerR: I didn't know you could power the Pi through the standard USB ports
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[5:35] <ParkerR> Yep
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[5:41] <ztag100> what DE are you using?
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[5:45] <ParkerR> ztag100, Openbox
[5:45] <ztag100> Ah
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[5:51] <BigShip> Heyo peeps
[5:51] <BigShip> Anyone using one of those LCD backup screens with their Pi?
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[5:52] * SpeedEvil wonders how well synced you could get two pis playing one video screen.
[5:52] <SpeedEvil> BigBadGhost: no, but I'm aware of them, what
[5:52] <BigShip> Just wondering if this would work: http://www.amazon.com/Camera-Monitor-Support-Rotating-Screen/dp/B007SLDF7O/ref=pd_sim_e_5
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[5:56] <BigBadGhost> That is pretty low resolution
[5:56] <BigBadGhost> 480x234
[5:56] <BigBadGhost> Depends on what you want to do with it though
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[5:56] <SpeedEvil> should be done
[5:56] <SpeedEvil> fine
[5:57] <SpeedEvil> viewed from a distance
[5:57] <ParkerR> Well
[5:57] <ParkerR> Stll tiny
[5:57] <ParkerR> 8Still tiny
[5:57] <ParkerR> Fonts would pretty much be useless imo
[5:58] <BigBadGhost> I kind of agree with Parker on that
[5:58] <BigBadGhost> I mean it'll work, no problem. Just may not look all that great
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[5:59] <BigBadGhost> Price certainly does make it appealing though. The HDMI 7" screen is 160 bucks.
[6:00] <BigShip> You can increase the text size. Just wanted to make sure the connector would work :)
[6:00] <BigShip> Are there any other options for a seven inch screen with higher resolution?
[6:00] <BigBadGhost> https://www.adafruit.com/products/1033
[6:01] <BigBadGhost> 1280x800
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[6:01] <BigShip> nice, but ouch price tag @_@. I'll stick with cheapy for now ;) thanks guuys
[6:01] <ParkerR> Or an HDMI 11" screen for around 60
[6:01] <ParkerR> (lapdock)
[6:03] <BigBadGhost> I like the lapdock but I've not really seen one all that clean looking. They just look a little "frankenstein-y"
[6:03] <BigShip> ParkerR: I'm thinking I'm leaning towards a slightly smaller beat laptop so I can trash it and not feel bad. Probably better to stick with something small so I can make it a bit bulkier and save cash on speakers and whatnot
[6:04] <BigShip> and not have it be massive after I'm done
[6:04] <nineteen67comet> BigBadGhost: I've got a Lapdock for my Bionic, it's fine; but I still use my small old Acer One Netbook most (Lapdock doesn't have a good office suite, puts things to sleep in the background and gets sluggish when you have big applications open)
[6:05] <BigBadGhost> nineteen67comet: Yeah, using the lapdock for it's intended use is less than spectacular, I have the Atrix 4g and played around with the dock. It's a neat toy. I WOULD like to have one to hook up the Pi to
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[6:06] <BigBadGhost> Would need to do some sort of cable management on it. I just can't stand cables going all over the place. Just looks like an amateur build.
[6:06] <nineteen67comet> I'm not sure how it would worked .. Gotta find the right HDMI cable to go with it .. from the Pi to the Lapdock would be a strange cable.
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[6:07] <nineteen67comet> Are there some repositories we can add to sources.list for w32codecs, libdvdcss2 and the such?
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[6:07] <BigBadGhost> There's been a quite a few people that have done that. It's not too bad and only uses a few non-standard connections
[6:08] <ParkerR> Or just one HDMI connector
[6:08] <monkeymon> hey guys, I'm doing development on my rPi for some c++ stuffs.
[6:08] <monkeymon> i know theres code:blocks
[6:08] <BigBadGhost> Is it just a straight m-to-m hdmi cable?
[6:08] <monkeymon> whats a good err command line ide?
[6:08] <monkeymon> something lightweight
[6:08] <BigBadGhost> nano
[6:08] <BigBadGhost> That's what I use
[6:08] <ParkerR> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008LRJBY0/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00
[6:08] <monkeymon> is nano an ide?
[6:09] <ParkerR> nano isnt an ide
[6:09] <monkeymon> or just a text editor?
[6:09] <ParkerR> monkeymon, vim can be I think. There a little bit of setup to make it ide'ish
[6:09] <monkeymon> any ide recommendations?
[6:09] <BigBadGhost> Text editor BUT, it does do syntax highlighting :)
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[6:09] <ParkerR> Also thats the adapter I bought
[6:09] <monkeymon> heh.
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[6:09] <monkeymon> err nyeah.
[6:09] <BigBadGhost> ParkerR: Ah cool. That's not bad.
[6:10] <monkeymon> yeay gender conversion.
[6:10] <monkeymon> and size conversion
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[6:10] <ParkerR> BigBadGhost, And it supports the Pi on the back
[6:11] <ParkerR> Minimal shaving required
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[6:12] <BigBadGhost> Trying to think of a lightweight ide, hmm
[6:12] <BigBadGhost> I mean, Geany is what I have installed on all of my other Linux machines and it seems pretty lightweight
[6:13] <BigBadGhost> Will give it a shot on the Pi right now and see
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[6:14] <tzarc> went from geany to vim a couple of months ago, don't think I'll be going back
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[6:18] <BigBadGhost> Yeah, I'm not a fan of ide in general
[6:19] <BigBadGhost> Geany seems ok on Pi though, running fine on my 256mb B
[6:21] <monkeymon> why don't you like ides?
[6:21] <ParkerR> Make you a lazy programmer in some cases
[6:21] <BigBadGhost> ^
[6:21] <ParkerR> Not forced to learn everything
[6:21] <monkeymon> why should you be forced to learn EVERYTHING?
[6:22] <BigBadGhost> So you understand it better
[6:22] <monkeymon> which is inherently a good thing?
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[6:22] <BigBadGhost> I believe so
[6:22] <monkeymon> er ok.
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[6:23] <BigBadGhost> It depends on what you're using it for though. A hobbyist doesn't really need to understand every little detail
[6:23] <monkeymon> and what's a hobbyist?
[6:23] <BigBadGhost> Someone who doesn't get paid for it. Does it for fun
[6:23] <monkeymon> so when you get paid for it you should be forced to learn everything.
[6:24] <BigBadGhost> I think if you want to consider yourself a decent programmer, you should be able to understand more than the average joe who went through a C++ book.
[6:25] <BigBadGhost> No need to get defensive though, this is strictly opinion
[6:25] <monkeymon> which is a completely different argument than where we started, but i get the idea.
[6:25] <monkeymon> I'm not being defensive. just trying to follow your logic.
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[6:25] <BigBadGhost> My logic is often flawed
[6:25] <monkeymon> my take is...
[6:25] <BigBadGhost> It makes sense in MY brain but doesn't always come out like that :P
[6:25] <monkeymon> programming languages are tools
[6:25] <monkeymon> learn what you must to be effective
[6:25] <monkeymon> if you want to dive in really deep go for it.
[6:26] <monkeymon> but if you don't feel the need, thats cool too.
[6:26] <monkeymon> or else we'd all be looking at the state of electrons all day.
[6:27] <BigBadGhost> As an engineering student, I tend to think one should learn absolutely everything one could learn about something. I don't even plan on going into Software Engineering (I'm going for Electrical) but I'd rather be the guy that knows more than the other guy that's interviewing for the job
[6:29] <BigBadGhost> That's getting a bit further away from the original ide discussion though :P
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[6:30] <monkeymon> aha
[6:31] <monkeymon> well i already have a great job. so no need to memorize everything :)
[6:31] <BigBadGhost> There you go!
[6:31] <ztag100> Do the newer model Bs have 512 MB?
[6:31] <BigBadGhost> yep
[6:31] <ztag100> that's what I get for buying it launch week
[6:32] <yeboot> What Oses do you guys run
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[6:33] <ParkerR> Raspbian
[6:33] <BigBadGhost> monkeymon: I look at a lot of the other students in class that are using the IDE as a crutch. They don't need to know what they did wrong, they see the compiler error and boom, it's highlighted for them to fix. Perhaps the future engineer in me wants to be able to look at his code and know exactly where it went wrong
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[6:34] <monkeymon> makes sense
[6:34] <BigBadGhost> yeboot: On the Pi? Adafruit's distro for now. On home PCs, Linux Mint 14
[6:34] <yeboot> for the pi, yeah
[6:35] <BigBadGhost> Just put on Adafruit yesterday. Seems...like a Pi OS.
[6:35] <yeboot> I'm going to be using ARM arch
[6:35] <BigBadGhost> As far as I know, there isn't much different. SSH on by default and a few other extra modules
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[6:36] <ztag100> BigBadGhost, I was just about to install adafruit, you like it?
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[6:37] <BigBadGhost> It works :) I don't like it more than any other of them but I don't dislike it either. I'll keep using it until I see something better
[6:37] <ztag100> ha, awesome
[6:37] <ztag100> actually, yeboot just reminded me that arch for the pi was a thing, and I think I want to test that out
[6:38] <ztag100> anyone know how I can img the sd from a windows computer?
[6:38] <BigBadGhost> I was waiting on Puppy Linux but I think it's still Alpha
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[6:39] <nineteen67comet> ztag100: I haven't cracked a MS box in months, but I think there are a couple tools for it. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer is one I keep seeing over and over ..
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[6:41] <ztag100> thanks, I'm on my laptop right now without any linux machine near by
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[7:07] <ztag100> omaigosh, the arch boots in like 5 seconds!
[7:07] <BigBadGhost> Hmm
[7:08] <BigBadGhost> May have to throw it on another sdcard
[7:08] <ztag100> and, I haven't used arch in like a year, so I can't remember how pacman works...
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[7:08] <BigBadGhost> pacman?
[7:09] <ztag100> the package manager
[7:09] <BigBadGhost> oh eek, not debian?
[7:09] <ztag100> nope
[7:09] <ztag100> arch is a whole other beast
[7:09] <BigBadGhost> I'm scared
[7:09] <ztag100> You should be
[7:10] <BigBadGhost> I'm still traumatized by rpm
[7:10] <ztag100> BigBadGhost, don't worry, pacman makes sense
[7:10] <BigBadGhost> Heard that before! :D
[7:11] <ztag100> haha
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[8:00] <Macer> lol
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[8:00] <Macer> http://dbareactions.tumblr.com/post/42308549410/reading-the-logs-of-what-happened-right-before-the
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[8:26] <Tachyon`> good morning -.o
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[8:27] <Tachyon`> might I take this opportunity to declare maplin to be a den of thieves (and the trained chimps that work behind the counter)
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[8:33] <B0101> Hi, for the raspberry pi model B, what is the maximum clock speed I can overclock the device to?
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[8:39] <rymate1234> B0101, about 1000Mhz, although some people experience crashes
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[8:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Is there a limit to what you can set the clock speed to?
[8:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought you can make it whatever you want, but stability is another issue.
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[8:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Either way, if there's a maximum it's higher than a stable clock rate for your pi. So... experiment. 1GHz works fine for me.
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[8:47] <wishi> hey, is anyone aware of IO or USB hacks, that could improve the raspis performance on debian?
[8:47] <wishi> anyone tried BFQ?
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[10:02] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, Maplin?
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> wishi, I'd suggest learning patience ;)
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[10:11] <Tachyon`> gordonDrogon: electronics shop
[10:11] <Tachyon`> their staff specialise in blank stare number 4
[10:11] <Tachyon`> when asked questions
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, Yea, I know Maplin.... Sometimes you get lucky though, but they've gone downhill in the past 20 years
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[10:13] <Tachyon`> I was tehre yesterday, needed among other things 4 relays, they had a couple of usable types, the first one they had only 1 of, the other only 2, lol, they couldn't find me a small electrolytic cap at all and charged me 70 quid for a few project boxes and connectors
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[10:13] <Tachyon`> should just buy the stuff online, the experience of their bricks and mortar store here is very lacking, lol
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[10:20] <gordonDrogon> 70- quid? Seems excessive.
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> I use the order & collect service from my local store.
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> If I have to use it at all - only in desparation usually.
[10:21] <Jck_true> Least you still got a physical store - Nearest store selling DIY stuff like that is 2 hours away...
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> well - I have 2 equidistant - Exeter & Plymouth. They're both about 30-40 minutes hour away.
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> never been to the Pylmouth one though - my wifes often in Exeter, so the order & collect things has worked ok a couple of times.
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> 2 hours - you must live in the middle of no-where (or Cornwall!)
[10:23] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: I wasn't sure if you were in britain or massachusetts
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[10:24] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: If you were living in boston, there are in fact a plymouth and an exeter that are both about 40 minutes away
[10:24] <wishi> gordonDrogon: I think you missunderstand my intention. I use the Pi for some cool project and I want it as efficient as possible. right now I cross compile a kernel + bfq
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> :)
[10:24] <wishi> not sure if it even works on arm
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> I've lived in/near Boston, MA
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> however I live in Devon, UK.
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[10:26] <gordonDrogon> what's bfq ?
[10:26] <wishi> an IO sheduler
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> Ah, OK.
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> I'd be really surprised if you can eek out more than a percent or 2 by fiddling with that, but you never know.
[10:28] <Grievre> wishi: which "performance" are you trying to improve?
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[10:32] <gordonDrogon> what's the concensus on apt-get update vs. rpi-update for making sure you have the latest kerne? I've not run rpi-update for a very long time now, and my Pi's have the 3.2.27+ #250 kernel on them - is the kernel provided by rpi-update considered stable, or experimental?
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[10:35] <Dyskette> Gnnn. Is it just me, or have Raspbian pushed a version of omxplayer that requires a firmware version that they haven't pushed?
[10:36] <Dyskette> Heh. omxplayer.sconde.net implies so
[10:37] <Dyskette> That's really really silly.
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[10:41] <gordonDrogon> sounds like you need to rpi-update :)
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> So that means that the answer to my question is that rpi-update is considered stable kernels.... but I'm not convinced.
[10:42] <Dyskette> Aye, but they've pushed new kernels/firmware via the repositories before.
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> I know - that's what's confused me.
[10:42] <Dyskette> Seems pretty silly to push something that requires you to have run a not-included updating utility.
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> can't find anything concrete on the forums either.
[10:43] <Dyskette> (And I rolled back omxplayer rather than using rpi-update)
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[10:45] <gordonDrogon> I've fallen into the trap of releasing stuff that depended on newer stuff I've implemented on my own Pi, forgetting that others might not have that version )-:
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[10:45] <gordonDrogon> so it's easy to do, but it essentially means there's a bit of QA missing...
[10:45] <Dyskette> Aye, I suppose my question is just as much as to why they're not pushing the new kernel/firmware
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[10:51] <Dyskette> Heh, rpi-update isn't even in the repositories itself, either
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[11:00] <gordonDrogon> Hm..
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> It's installed in Raspbian though - it's sort of self-updating isn't it?
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[11:03] <ShiftPlusOne> it is self updating, yeah. I didn't know that it was included by default though
[11:05] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: so the feature request/bug report I was going to submit: The serial port driver ignores custom baud rates
[11:05] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: despite the fact that the chip's UART is extremely flexible with baud rates
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> yea, included, but not in a package..
[11:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Grievre, sounds like a reasonable issue to report
[11:06] <Grievre> to whom should I report that then?
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, it's a standard linux thing. You don't set the baud rate in Linux you use a pre-defined value.
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> so it's not a bug.
[11:06] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: um, but it has an interface for doing custom ones
[11:06] <Grievre> and some serial drivers support it
[11:06] <Grievre> The Pi's, however, just silently ignores it
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> ok, that's relatively new then.
[11:06] <Grievre> well it's from 2006...
[11:07] <Grievre> at least
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> new.
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[11:07] <gordonDrogon> what's the syscalls for it?
[11:07] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: ioctl(fd, TIOCSSERIAL, &a_serial_struct)
[11:07] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: you set a flag in one of the bitfields of the struct and then you set a_serial_struct.custom_divisor
[11:08] <Grievre> it's apparently deprecated but they deprecated it without replacing the functionality
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> maybe because no-one was using it. it's really hard to implement on most standard hardware I imagine.
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[11:09] <Dyskette> gordonDrogon: rpi-update doesn't come with raspbian
[11:09] <Dyskette> gordonDrogon: I don't have it on my pi, at least
[11:09] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: it would also be nice if there was a more raw interface to the UART offered by the kernel
[11:09] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: I would write a driver for that myself but the default serial driver is compiled straight in so I'd have to recompile the whole kernel
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[11:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Grievre, If you do decide to report it, just report on the github link I gave you yesterday, not to anyone in specific.
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[11:10] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: you sent me a github link yesterday?
[11:10] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues
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[11:10] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/105
[11:11] <ShiftPlusOne> There are a few uart baud rate issues already reported
[11:11] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd recommend you read through those
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> Dyskette, Hm. odd. I seem to have it on mine...
[11:12] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/78
[11:12] <Dyskette> gordonDrogon: most people do, but it's not because it comes with the system :)
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> Dyskette, oh - no. My raspbian was an older one - a brand new Pi I have with 'stock' raspbian doesn't have it ..
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> so I must have installed it on that Pi at some point.
[11:13] <Dyskette> gordonDrogon: pretty sure mine is quite old, too - it's certainly not the current image. I just don't think rpi-update ever came as part of Raspbian
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> Dyskette, yea, I must have installed it manually at some point - I cloned that SD card for 2 other Pis, so that's what probably threw me. I have a new Pi that came with the standard raspbian and it's not there..
[11:14] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: yeah that's another unrelated issue
[11:14] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: even if the uart clock is set high enough you can still only set one of the "standard" baud rates
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> and you know what, I've decided that I don't much care for little trivialities like baud rates and so on. I'm going to work with what's provided unless it's a real show-stopper. The standard bauds are supported and if it doesn't do non-standard bauds, then *shrug*
[11:15] <Grievre> ShiftPlusOne: I set the uart clock to 4 megahertz. I wanted to set the baud rate to 250000 bps (which is 4 MHz/16) but it would only let me do 230400
[11:15] <Grievre> which is actually not an even division of the clock
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[11:16] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm, well you have the link if you feel that that's something that should be reported. It's not something that affects of interests me, so I haven't looked into it.
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> radical :)
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, it's a great project, but maybe the Pi isn't the right device.
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[11:19] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: The only issues in my way are software ones so far
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[11:22] <gordonDrogon> well you have the source ..
[11:22] <Joeboy> Grievre: If you need to set a non-standard baud rate you could look at https://github.com/Joeboy/pixperiments/tree/master/pimidi_kernel_module
[11:23] <Joeboy> (May or may not actually work properly)
[11:23] <Joeboy> And it's hard-coded to 31250 baud atm I think
[11:24] <Grievre> Joeboy: oh sweet, interesting
[11:24] <Joeboy> Grievre: Feel free to hack in ioctl stuff so it'll do other baud rates
[11:24] <Joeboy> atm eg. pyserial won't open it cos it chokes when you try to set the rate
[11:25] <Grievre> Joeboy: So one other thing I bumped in to: can you think of a way to detect the mark-after-space condition that DMX uses to indicate the beginning of a new packet?
[11:25] <Grievre> or can you just not do that in hardware?
[11:26] <Joeboy> Grievre: No idea I'm afraid, I just hacked it to do what I needed.
[11:29] <Grievre> Joeboy: oh, what did you use as a starting point?
[11:30] <Joeboy> Grievre: I hacked it together from the tldp examples and some code I had that runs on baremetal
[11:31] <Joeboy> It's not like a fork of another module or anything
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[11:31] * Grievre nods
[11:31] <Joeboy> Grievre: Do please let me know if you run into issues with it, afaik nobody else has tried to use it yet
[11:31] <Grievre> I don't have any MIDI devices to try it with unfortunately
[11:31] <Joeboy> and I haven't tried installing it on a virgin raspbian install
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[11:33] <Joeboy> The whole thing may be horribly misconceived for all I know :-)
[11:33] <Grievre> hm, are you using the UART's DMA feature?
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[11:34] <Joeboy> No
[11:34] <Grievre> I'm not sure detecting break conditions is even possible if you do
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[11:52] <double-you> my own built case is pretty finished http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1970/rpik.jpg
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[12:23] <dape8708> uhm, raspbian uses kernel 3.6.11 ?
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[12:25] <megaproxy> is there a reason my pi keeps killing SSH connections to it?
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[12:25] <jacekowski> no ssh server running?
[12:26] <megaproxy> its running, and i can connect
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[12:26] <megaproxy> but it will time out randomly
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> dape8708, Raspbian uses 3.2.27+ but you can upgrade to someting else ...
[12:26] <jacekowski> ahm
[12:26] <jacekowski> wifi/
[12:26] <jacekowski> ?
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[12:27] <megaproxy> lan
[12:27] <Jck_true> megaproxy: you could try ClientAliveInterval 60
[12:27] <megaproxy> does it over internet connected session
[12:27] <megaproxy> or lan
[12:27] <Jck_true> megaproxy: Add that to your sshd_config
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[12:28] <megaproxy> ah ok
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[12:30] <megaproxy> hm
[12:30] <megaproxy> there is no clientaliveinterval
[12:32] <FR^2> TCPKeepAlive yes, ServerAliveInterval 10, ServerAliveCountMax 20, .. could be interesting in your client's ~/.ssh/config
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[12:32] <megaproxy> the only one i can see is the tcpkeepalive
[12:32] <megaproxy> rest arnt there
[12:36] <FR^2> Their meaning is described in man 5 ssh_config
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[12:51] <groundnuty> hey, anyone ever userd/saw a donwload link of http://weblog.rogueamoeba.com/2012/04/26/arm-support-in-airfoil-speakers-for-linux/ ?
[12:51] <groundnuty> I'm setting airplay and wish airfoil had atm binary :)
[12:51] <groundnuty> *arm
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[13:24] <SanMysterious> Hi, has anyone gotten rid of the noise while using SoundBlaster's X-Fi HD yet?
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[13:41] <Solarbaby> \
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[14:56] <Reptar> \wc
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[15:02] <cairne> so im trying to vnc into my raspberry pi running bodhi linux and i keep getting Xsession: Unable to start x session --- no "/root/.xsession" file i know X is working because I have it running on my tv atm
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[15:03] <gordonDrogon> did you start vnc server on the Pi
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[15:03] <cairne> yes, it says the usual vncserver raspberrypi :1
[15:04] <cairne> i follow the same setup that i use on raspbian which worked fine, and I did manage to get it working yesterday, but today no joy
[15:04] <darknite> are you running a wm or just x?
[15:05] <pierut> cp /etc/X11/.Xsession ~
[15:05] <pierut> ?
[15:05] <cairne> running just the default settings, i don't remember doing anything special yesterday. just vncserver :1 -geometry 1280x1080
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[15:08] <cairne> copy that file to the root directory?
[15:09] <cairne> hmm there is no .Xsession just Xsession
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[15:10] <megaproxy> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135341370451&tab_idx=1#
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[15:11] <pierut> that's what i meant
[15:12] <pierut> was typing from memory
[15:12] <pierut> :>
[15:12] <pierut> idk if it will work
[15:12] <cairne> lol its ok, just wanted to make sure
[15:12] <pierut> but if it is going to you will have to change the X to x
[15:12] <cairne> oh i see what you are saying
[15:13] <pierut> and put a . infront
[15:13] <pierut> ;s
[15:13] <cairne> just take the normal file and make it whatever the error wants
[15:13] <pierut> yar
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[15:13] <pierut> though.. im just guessing..
[15:14] <pierut> its what i would try ;3
[15:14] <cairne> worth a try as soon as apt-get updates i'll try it
[15:14] <pierut> :>
[15:15] <cairne> that is the beauty of the pi, if i screw it up just flash the image back onto the sd card lol
[15:15] <pierut> mhm
[15:16] <pierut> it wont screw anythign up
[15:16] <pierut> worst case, what you're trying still wont work
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[15:18] <cairne> not sure if positive progress or not lol, gray screen when i vnc in but no error
[15:18] <pierut> hm
[15:18] <pierut> what window manager do you have installed
[15:18] <cairne> enlightment
[15:19] <pierut> do you have a .xinitrc in /root/
[15:19] <pierut> ?
[15:19] <pierut> ls -a will show the hidden files (the ones with . in front)
[15:19] <cairne> no
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[15:20] <pierut> ok
[15:20] <cairne> there is no xintrc should i just copy the whole X11 folder from /etc to root?
[15:20] <pierut> no
[15:20] <pierut> im not sure the command to start enlightenment
[15:20] <pierut> type "start" and hit tab
[15:21] <pierut> to see if there is a command like "startenlightenment"
[15:21] <pierut> or maybe "en" tab
[15:21] <pierut> to see if it is just "enlightenment"
[15:21] <pierut> maybe e17?
[15:22] <cairne> enlightnement_start seems to be what comes up when i search google, however on the pi itself enlightnment is running
[15:22] <pierut> what user are you running it as
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[15:22] <cairne> root
[15:22] <pierut> weird
[15:23] <pierut> well
[15:23] <pierut> we can try enlightenment_start
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[15:23] <pierut> or type enlightenment and hit tab to double check first
[15:23] <cairne> Enlightenment set up window management for all the screens on your system
[15:23] <cairne> failed. Perhaps another window manager is running?
[15:24] <pierut> might have to kill the running instance of enlightenment
[15:24] <pierut> brb
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[15:25] <cairne> ok, i restarted the device without the hdmi cable plugged in it should run headless now
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[15:26] <pierut> gl
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[15:32] <cairne> lol gotta love when the only google information i can find is in another language
[15:33] <pierut> :P
[15:34] <pierut> google chrome has this nice translate button that pops up
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[15:34] <cairne> i think im gonna pass out for a bit thanks for the help tho. the part that really annoys me is that it worked, wish i never turned the pi off after that lol
[15:35] <pierut> :z
[15:35] <pierut> have a nice nap :)
[15:35] <markedathome> does anyone know of a decent disk/filesystem benchmarking tool?
[15:35] <markedathome> running on raspbian
[15:35] <pierut> not i :<
[15:36] <cairne> can do it with dd but got to be careful
[15:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> df -h
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[15:37] <cairne> theres a good one that was ported from bsd also in the debian package system but im drawing a blank :/
[15:38] <markedathome> dbench?
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[15:41] <cairne> take a look at fsck
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[15:47] <gordonDrogon> markedathome, bonnie is quite an old one, but often useful for quick checks.
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[15:48] <gordonDrogon> one of the issues though is that you're never quite sure what you're testing some times - do bonnies write character at a time is often more a test of the efficiency of the underlying kernels ability to shift data..
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[15:49] <markedathome> gordonDrogon: seems like it will do what I want for the moment. I just want to do some comparison across different filesystems
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[15:55] <gordonDrogon> markedathome, on the Pi?
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[15:56] <markedathome> yeah, testing for speed on external 2.5disk with different filesystems.
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[15:56] <gordonDrogon> ok
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> not sure you're going to find anything significant these days though... I guess it's ext4, brtfs and xfs maybe?
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[15:59] <markedathome> trying zfs-fuse atm; it seems very slow, don't know whether it is because of the fuse layer, the cifs (samba) running over it, or just not properly compiled with optimisations
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> the fuse layer will make it slow from what I father.
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> gather too.
[16:02] <markedathome> I'm going to try compiling zfsonlinux to see if that makes a difference, as well as zfs own cifs sharing. zfs-fuse doesn't seem to have that capability, or it's commented out.
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> good luck :)
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[16:03] <gordonDrogon> not convinced it all worth it on a Pi, but you never know!
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[16:05] <faLUCE> hi, 1) is it safe if I unplug the power cable from the rpi without shutting down it from the user interface before? 2) what can happen if I remove the sd card while the rpi is on?
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> faLUCE, it's safe in that it wont kill you, it's not safe in that you may get data corruption - in both cases.
[16:06] <mjr> I'm not convinced either, but hey, the Pi's pretty much about playing around with stuff so why not zfs as well
[16:06] <nid0> in both cases you risk corruption of the filesystem, but its not a particularly high risk in either case unless you're in the middle of writing something to it
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[16:06] <mjr> (Just don't expect wonders from it.)
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[16:07] <markedathome> not expecting wonders, just a temp dedupe store, as I shuffle stuff around.
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[16:08] <mjr> iirc deduping wants memory, which is in relatively short supply on the pi
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[16:08] <markedathome> I played with the mirroring aspect a few weeks ago, and had fun with unplugging flash drives on a 3x16GB raidz
[16:09] <markedathome> 1GB per 1TB for <64KB files
[16:09] <mjr> apparently it can keep dedup tables on disk too (not very surprising) but that'll slow things down (even less surprising)
[16:09] <faLUCE> ok. now: I need to format a sd card with an old image of raspbian. I see sdb1 and sdb2 associated to it. How can I format them?
[16:09] <IT_Sean> flash drive raid?
[16:10] <markedathome> my data is around 512KB up.
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[16:10] <mjr> faLUCE, you don't, you just dump the image to sdb (without numbers), it contains the new partition and formatting
[16:10] <mjr> partitions
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[16:11] <markedathome> IT_Sean: yes. I'm not the only one.... http://raspberry-python.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/zfs-file-system-on-raspberry-pi.html
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[16:11] <IT_Sean> I tried a flash drive raid once. Did 4x8gig.
[16:11] <IT_Sean> Just for fun.
[16:12] <faLUCE> thanks mjr gordonDrogon
[16:13] <mjr> (don't have sdb1 or 2 mounted while writing the image)
[16:13] <dape8708> cool, distcc compilation on a Pi with a c2d 1.8 ghz/4 gb ram/ssd works pretty fast
[16:14] <mjr> (also don't mount it directly after writing the image without removing the card first, it'll ensure that the new partition tables are read)
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[16:22] <ivotkl> Hello everyone. I'm trying to use a program similar to TeamViewer that would work under Raspbian and that would also let me login remotely without having to open any program after login in locally.
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[16:29] <FrostyX> Hi, I wanna ask, Can raspberry pi (in plastic case and room temperature) handle being nonstop powered and running?
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[16:29] <FR^2> hmm. only about 500kbyte/sec writing speed on a 2,5" usb hdd using vfat and therefore fuseblk
[16:29] <FR^2> FrostyX: sure
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[16:31] <IT_Sean> FrostyX: Yup!
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[16:31] <FrostyX> ok, I asked only for sure if I should make some cooling or there is no problem wihout it. I am going to let pi running at home and go for few weeks to school ..
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[16:32] <VetteWork> anyone played with GPIOs? when i hookup a ribbon cable (from a HD) they start freaking out
[16:32] <IT_Sean> are you just leaving them float?
[16:32] <FrostyX> so far my new LAMP
[16:32] <IT_Sean> you need to pull 'em high or low
[16:32] <IT_Sean> or they may, as you say "freak out"
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[16:33] <VetteWork> IT, im not doing anything to them, literally just pluggin on ribbon cable
[16:33] <VetteWork> http://trouch.com/2012/08/21/webiopi-control-your-pis-gpio-with-a-browser/
[16:33] <VetteWork> using that to monitor (and eventually test)
[16:34] <VetteWork> unfortunatly I bought M-M cables, so figured a ribbon cable would help me out
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[16:34] <IT_Sean> Yeah, it sounds like they are floating. Which would leave them susceptible to interference.
[16:34] <VetteWork> guess i need to order up some M-F
[16:35] <IT_Sean> You need to pull them high / low for them to work reliably. i.e. draw it low, and let it go high for inout, or vice versa
[16:35] <VetteWork> i was getting .7V across an open
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[16:36] <VetteWork> certain type of ribbon cable I should use?
[16:36] <VetteWork> or just get M-F cables
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[16:38] <FR^2> http://pastie.org/private/b9n9ko97tptwyfepkkmow <-- primitive benchmark using dd on an usb hdd formatted with ntfs, mounted by fuseblk ;) 500kByte/sec writing speed...
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[16:42] <gordonDrogon> VetteWork, lots of GPIO stuff done here...
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[16:49] * pierut np; tiny tim - im a lonesome little raindrop
[16:50] <pierut> pitter patter pitter patter
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[17:01] <ivotkl> Hello everyone. I'm trying to use a program similar to TeamViewer that would work under Raspbian and that would also let me login remotely without having to open any program after login in locally.
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[17:38] <DDave> Has anyone binded multiple IPs to the raspi?
[17:39] <markit> DDave: it's GNU/Linux, what is the problem?
[17:40] <markit> just ifconfig eth0:0 additionalip
[17:40] <DDave> Just curious if there is any limitarion (hardware-wise)
[17:40] <DDave> limitation* my bad
[17:40] <markit> like ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.44.1
[17:40] <mjr> there pretty much can't be a hardware limitation like that
[17:40] <mjr> it'll work
[17:41] <DDave> woah, thanks
[17:41] <DDave> I tried editing the interfaces file..ended up losing connectivity to the rpi ;)
[17:41] <markit> mjr: lol, years of sofware have made me aware that you can't say "it works for sure" until you really test it
[17:41] <DDave> Just wanted to ask for a quick way, ty!
[17:41] <markit> DDave: in /etc/network/iterfaces add a section like the eth0 one but with eth0:0
[17:41] <markit> and NO gateway line
[17:42] <markit> you can have only ONE default gateway
[17:42] <DDave> Ty ;) I wasnt thinking properly
[17:42] <DDave> as I thought I had to define a "real" nic
[17:42] <mjr> the point is that the software is known to work with it and the hardware is nothing special wrt. that particular feature
[17:43] <markit> DDave: the great thing about raspberry is that is REAL GNU/Linux
[17:43] <markit> (if you use raspbian, of course not other os ;P)
[17:43] <DDave> ;)
[17:43] <DDave> I got better stuff to do than toy around with riscos.. :D
[17:43] <markit> btw, I'm trying to figure out if I can use it at school for childrens
[17:44] <markit> I don't want to fight, just talke pacefully and have some suggestions
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[17:44] <markit> a) I've installed kturtle, tried to navigate a little, is really TOO slow
[17:44] <markit> b) is expensive if you add all the needed components
[17:45] <markit> I've checked RS prices, and with cables, power supply, sd card etc
[17:45] <markit> is about 90 euros
[17:45] <markit> and you need a monitor with hdmi
[17:45] <markit> with 210 euros you have a netbook with 10" screen and keyboard
[17:46] <markit> also if I give it to children to bring at home
[17:46] <markit> they will have troubles with TV
[17:46] <dape> yes, Pi is expensive for what it offers in the end.
[17:46] <markit> at least I had a lot, ton of fine tune to make it work at full resolution
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[17:46] <markit> dape: cubieboard is just a little pricer, but I think is 2x powerful
[17:47] <markit> but in any case, I'm more warried by the "not expert try to make it work at home" problems
[17:47] <markit> with tv
[17:47] <dape> well, i don't really want to blame , i just use it for text-server-like stuff
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[17:51] <SixtyFold> markit, did you check out the ODROID stuff?
[17:54] <markit> SixtyFold: no, never heard, let me check, but I want GNU/Linux not android
[17:55] <markit> ehm, no one here using it at school to teach children programming?
[17:55] <nid0> a relatively easy way to cheapen it is to remote boot the pi from centralised storage
[17:55] <nid0> you only need 1 sd card to share round when first turning each pi on then
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[17:56] <nid0> the assumption is also that most schools already tend to have screens, even if theyre old ones
[17:56] <markit> nid0: I need children to take it home
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[17:56] <home> ...
[17:56] <markit> we have GNU/Linux computers at school, but lessons there are very limited
[17:56] <markit> home: lol
[17:57] <nid0> well, 2gb sd cards are less than ??4 on amazon
[17:58] <xiambax> I work for a carrier. I was able to order 8 gig cards for 5 dollars.
[17:59] <nid0> markit: do you need model b's, or will a do?
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[18:00] <home> A is out?
[18:00] <home> wow
[18:00] <home> awesome
[18:00] <home> I need A
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[18:00] <nid0> because im not seeing where you're getting your pricing from - even at RS's prices, a model a + 4gb sd card + power supply + hdmi cable is 46 euros
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[18:01] <nid0> even with a model b instead of a, and an ethernet cable thrown in, its still only 57 euros
[18:01] <markit> nid0: B of course, I need internet
[18:01] <nid0> well then I make it 57 euros, not 90
[18:01] <markit> nid0: let me load my calc sheet
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[18:02] <nid0> model b pi = 27.40, 4gb sd card = 8.23, european power supply = 6.20, hdmi cable = 4.30, ethernet cable = 1.23
[18:02] <nid0> total with tax of 56.83
[18:03] <markit> nid0: I've counted a keyboard, a mouse
[18:03] <markit> cable hdmi, case
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[18:03] <markit> 3 euros for delivery
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[18:03] <markit> from a different shop, 8GB sd at 7euros
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[18:03] <nid0> well if you're gonna be extravagent, ofc the price goes up
[18:03] <SixtyFold> lol
[18:04] <markit> nid0: I was comparing a working solution with a netbook
[18:04] <markit> nid0: of course if you buy just wheels your Ferrari is not that costly
[18:04] <markit> but if you want to have something that works.. .you need all the pieces
[18:04] <koichirose> Hello everyone. My raspberry pi just crashed back home, I'm at the office and can't ssh into it anymore. This isn't the first time it happens. The RPi wasn't doing anything in particular, it just crashed. How can I know what caused it?
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[18:05] <markit> koichirose: /var/log/messages
[18:05] <markit> or syslog
[18:05] <markit> but usually when it crashes has no time to log anything
[18:05] <koichirose> markit: even after a reboot?
[18:05] <koichirose> right
[18:05] <nid0> leaving aside the crappy analogy because it isnt normal for people to just have the rest of the parts of a ferrari lying around when schools tend to have piles of keyboards and mice
[18:05] <nid0> im still at less than 70 euros with all that added
[18:05] <markit> if is frozen, you can attach a monitor and see if is a kernel panic
[18:06] <markit> nid0: maybe you did not read my question at the beginning, that explains why we are arguing
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[18:06] <markit> I want students have a raspberry to bring at home, complete of needed pieces so they don't have to take away from their father's computer
[18:06] <markit> and just connect with TV
[18:06] <SixtyFold> markit - btw, you can run linux on ODROID
[18:07] <nid0> well, I make it about 65 euros for absolutely everything sans tv
[18:07] <markit> SixtyFold: I'm googling
[18:07] <SixtyFold> www.hardkernel.com
[18:07] <nid0> and honestly, a case is a luxury, if price is a factor dont bother, you get the cardboard case it comes in
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[18:08] <markit> SixtyFold: http://cubieboard.org/ is just 49$ and has GPIO, while odroid seems not and is much more expensive
[18:08] <pierut> odroid looks interesting
[18:08] <markit> nid0: case is needed if you don't want to have short circuits
[18:08] <SixtyFold> odroid also has 4x ram and CPU power from my initial looks at cubieboard
[18:08] <pierut> along similar lines, http://apc.io/products/paper/
[18:08] <pierut> with gpio i2c etc
[18:09] <nid0> not really true, but either way you can just push holes in the cardboard case it comes in
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[18:09] <markit> SixtyFold: which model ?
[18:09] <nemo> nid0: that's what I did :)
[18:09] <SixtyFold> U2 for 95 usd
[18:09] <markit> SixtyFold: quad core, wow
[18:09] <SixtyFold> the 69 USD one would still have 4x the processor speed
[18:09] <nid0> thing is though, there are plenty of "not much more expensive" solutions to the pi available but you still need all the accessories either way
[18:09] <markit> but really I think for education a I/O expansion is fantastic
[18:10] <markit> nid0: yep, I had 2 complains, a) was compuutational power b) was price
[18:10] <markit> I mean, price for a complete solution compared to a netbook
[18:10] <nemo> nid0: well, dunno about you, but I had most of the accessories lying around the house anyway
[18:10] <nid0> nemo: yeah that was my argument too but markit apparently wants an "absolutely everything included" solution
[18:11] <nid0> so every accessory needs to be priced
[18:11] <nid0> but its still less than 65 euros absolutely all in
[18:11] <bge> I had most of them lying around as well :P
[18:11] <bge> Snagged the SD from my phone since I wasn't using it much
[18:11] <nemo> bge: I didn't technically have the 8GiB class 6 SD card lying around, but it only cost $10
[18:11] <bge> Farkton of phone chargers, 0.7A at 5V
[18:11] <pierut> odroid says it has 50pin IO expansion port for LCD/I2C/UART/SPI/ADC/GPIO interfaces
[18:11] <nemo> bge: was an excuse to upgrade my camera's card
[18:12] <bge> 2 extra mice, 1 extra keyboard
[18:12] <bge> Big tv
[18:12] <bge> At least 5 extra ethernet cables
[18:12] <bge> You always need those, so I haven't thrown them away
[18:13] <SixtyFold> pierut ;)
[18:13] <bge> I did have to buy a new card reader because my old one wasn't working
[18:13] <double-you> why my user password isnt accepted over wireless keyboard, but wired keyboard works?
[18:13] <bge> So I probably spent around 70euros for my Pi
[18:13] <pierut> :>
[18:14] <nemo> bge: er. card reader? why?
[18:14] <nemo> bge: not like the pi needs one?
[18:14] <bge> How else was I supposed to get raspbmc on the sd? :p
[18:14] <bge> I had one before but it was borked
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[18:14] <pierut> i flashed it on my tablet when i found my card reader doesnt support sdhc
[18:14] <pierut> ;s
[18:15] <nemo> bge: you didn't have any laptops w/ SD readers? or any friends w/ laptops that you could borrow for 5m?
[18:15] <pierut> i didnt >_>
[18:15] <bge> Perhaps, but I don't want to go to them everytime I need to access the SD
[18:15] <nemo> bge: oh well. price of a USB SD reader is like $3 :)
[18:16] <bge> Sure, if you get one with microSD only (which is what I had)
[18:16] <bge> I got some Kingston one, 20euros
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[18:16] <bge> Supports more than microSD
[18:17] <SixtyFold> pierut - #odroid btw if you need
[18:17] <nemo> bge: http://www.beepbee.com/allin1-mini-usb-sd-mmc-card-reader-p-4852.html#.URUzD3xn6mU
[18:17] <pierut> i don't but ill go anyway ;p
[18:17] <SixtyFold> Supported Distros: OpenSUSE, Arch Linux ARM, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Debian, Fedora, Android and CyanogenMod (U2 only)
[18:17] <nemo> bge: there are plenty of micro and standard for <$5
[18:17] <bge> Yeah, i really didn't want to wait for 2 weeks for the delivery
[18:17] <nemo> heh
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[18:17] <bge> I only figured after I got my Pi that my card reader didn't work
[18:18] <bge> So I went to the nearest shop and picked up the only one they had
[18:18] <bge> I didn't really care
[18:18] <bge> Just wanted the Pi running
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[18:20] <nid0> Varnish is not liking my pi very much :(
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[18:21] <VetteWork> markedathome, sent you a PM, found a "benchmark" http://trouch.com/2013/01/12/raspberry-pi-benchmark/ know nothing about it..
[18:21] <markedathome> VetteWork: got it, thanks. just looking at it now
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[18:22] <VetteWork> cool. i have a habit of missing PM's, so wanted to double try :P
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[18:22] <zproc> hello
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[18:23] <zproc> anyone tried Hatari on Risc OS? should i have sound? (or maybe it's related to my lapdock setup?)
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[18:58] <dRbiG> hello - who knows here of web browsers that can do 'kiosk mode' (no tabs, address bar, status bar etc.) other than chromium and opera?
[18:58] <VetteWork> sorry, using chromium for mine..
[18:58] <markit> back, also some test should be done to understand what class of SD is needed, I've class 10 to be safe, but maybe raspberry can't do enough I/O to saturate it
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[19:00] <VetteWork> GPIO guys, I am getting .9-1V across GPI-Ground. so if i dont have a ground connected my input goes on and off randomly... is that normal? On install I will ground the switches, but in testing its not as easy..
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[19:05] <aDro> Anyone install RaspBMC?
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[19:08] <aDro> It's not working. After it boots I lost keyboard and mouse after the screen flickered twice.
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[19:16] <swart> aDro: boots for me. I just installed it for the first time. connecting to the update server - did you get that far?
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[19:19] <SanMysterious> Hi, I have read @e-linux wiki that the raspberry pi's 3,5mm audiojack lacks some proper dc coupling that prevents audio equipment from being damaged. Has this been fixed in the October 2012 Release of the board?
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[19:32] <swart> Raspbmc looks great. dead easy to set up. aDro I suggest you check your power supply. no problems here and I started from zero
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[19:40] <ukscone> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=346128438824815&set=a.219929018111425.39713.219902294780764&type=1&theater
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[19:48] <BigShip> heyy, so has anyone here set up retropie? I'm having an issue with the script
[19:48] <plugwash> pierut, the real question is software support
[19:49] <pierut> it is?
[19:49] <pierut> o.O
[19:49] <s5fs> dRbiG: midori will go full screen, friend set up a beaglebone with chrome and nodm for a touchscreen kiosk.
[19:50] <plugwash> sorry I was responding to your messages from last night, should probablly have given some more context
[19:50] <pierut> i forget what i was talking about last night ;s
[19:50] <plugwash> <pierut> http://apc.io/products/paper/
[19:50] <pierut> oh
[19:50] <pierut> yea
[19:51] <dRbiG> s5fs: went for uzbl-core, but thanks for another option
[19:51] <plugwash> afaict for the first gen APC they never released full kernel sources and didn't seem to care much about regular linux (even though they sent mpthompson and I free boards). Is there any inidication things will be different this time?
[19:52] <pierut> not that im aware of
[19:52] <pierut> tbh i just liked the case design
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[19:54] <s5fs> dRbiG: interesting, never heard of it. looks webkit-based tho, so that's good.
[19:58] <dRbiG> s5fs: i heard about it before - it's meant to be minimal and easily hackable/scriptable. the uzbl-core has no visual elements except for the rendered page :)
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[19:59] <s5fs> dRbiG: nice, that's pretty close to what i was needing, but the requirement has dropped off the project.
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[20:01] <b0ot> How well can raspberry handle rtp video stream if it doesn't have to do anything except store them to disk and stream them to a destination
[20:01] <b0ot> I use to use vlc to do this with my normal linux pc, but i don't think vlc works to well
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[20:02] <dRbiG> s5fs: yeah. on bigger hardware i use chromium. on rpi i first used luakit, but wanted something less resource-draining
[20:03] <s5fs> dRbiG: i haven't done any gui work on the pi, still just dorking with serial console and image creation. my current projects all involve a remote viewer of some sort, always web-based.
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[20:05] <s5fs> dRbiG: what is your use-case? kiosks are pretty fun
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[20:07] <dRbiG> s5fs: it's not really a kiosk - far from it - currently it's a clock and date display with a nice picture off flickr every couple of minutes.
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[20:08] <dRbiG> i'll write a post on my 'blog' about, even though I'm not breaking ground here
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[20:08] <s5fs> dRbiG: sounds neat, i've been keeping my eyes peeled for a cheap photo frame that i can use as an external display
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[20:08] <s5fs> it would be cool to make a dashboard of some sort for around the house
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[20:09] <dRbiG> s5fs: yes, the concept of using a web browser as the 'interface' leaves the possibilities to your imagination
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[20:09] <dRbiG> honestly i did it first on the remains of a laptop
[20:09] <dRbiG> with a (relatively) big-ass 12" display
[20:10] <dRbiG> the funny thing is that I did the 'random photo from internetz' as a place-holder
[20:10] <s5fs> dRbiG: yup, absolutely. for my work and personal project, i figure a display is unnecessary as long as you can provide a web interface somehow. most folks have smartphones or tablets or laptops, good to go.
[20:10] <dRbiG> ...and I found it appealing and it stayed in that way for half a year :)
[20:10] <s5fs> haha, nice!
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[20:11] <dRbiG> s5fs: i agree, but for time/date/really_important_stuff there is no substitute for 24h/7d physical display
[20:11] <plugwash> s5fs, the trouble with having no display or means of entering stuff locally is the chicken and egg problem
[20:12] <plugwash> that is how do you configure the network settings without a working network connection
[20:12] <s5fs> plugwash: ah, you mean initial network configuration?
[20:12] <dRbiG> i'll share the link to the post when i get it done. as far as it's simple to do and not really innovative, the use cases are endless imho
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[20:12] <s5fs> plugwash: right, there are a few ways to get around it. think about your router at home, how did you get into it for the first time?
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[20:13] <s5fs> dRbiG: if you wanna be a real ultimate hero you'll post a parts list too, so folks can easily replicate your work
[20:13] <plugwash> indeed there are ways arround it but they are all messy, particually for a device that is going to sit on an existing network rather than starting a new network
[20:13] <plugwash> and even more so for a device that only has wireless not wired
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[20:14] <s5fs> plugwash: i'm not sure i agree entirely. it's a tricky problem, but far from insurmountable. many network-enabled devices are configurable without an interface on them.
[20:15] <s5fs> plugwash: heck, if you only have a wireless interface, why not just stand up your own access point for initial configuration? then, grab your phone/tablet/laptop, connect to the wireless network and you're on your way.
[20:15] <dRbiG> s5fs: hehe, yeah, i can actually write a bit more about the setup - i power the rpi from the hub it's attached to, all it takes is a U-shaped piece of plastic/paper between the usb plug and socket :)
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[20:16] <s5fs> plugwash: you're correct though, all approaches feel like a hack. still beats configuring networking via an lcd display (like on printers)
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[20:17] <s5fs> dRbiG: cool, i think lots of folks would appreciate it, esp ppl new makers.
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[20:38] <carli2> hi
[20:38] <carli2> are there video drivers for arch linux?
[20:38] <carli2> I only have the fbdev fallback drivers
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[21:02] <axion> that is correct
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[21:10] <ngc0202> On Rasbian
[21:10] <ngc0202> How do I get 'Wifi Config' to start on boot
[21:10] <ngc0202> It's annoying to have to launch it to get wifi to work
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[21:14] <Nik05> #raspbian ?
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[21:18] <carli2> how can I install the gles drivers from packman?
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[21:22] <aaa801> Can i use 5v on the 3.3v pin of the gpio?
[21:22] <aaa801> or will that be very bad?
[21:23] <IT_Sean> no
[21:23] <IT_Sean> that would be A Bad Thing
[21:23] <IT_Sean> that WILL fry your pi
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[21:24] <pksato> 5v and 3.3v on GPIO are power output, not input.
[21:25] <aaa801> aware of, but im just hooking up through a usb ttl adapter, and it has 3v and 5v outputs
[21:25] <pksato> execept if you do know that doing, 5V can be used to power RPi.
[21:25] <IT_Sean> No, the GPIO outputs on the pi are 3.3
[21:25] <IT_Sean> you can apply 5v to the 5v pin to power the pi
[21:26] <aaa801> so top left pin
[21:26] <aaa801> above the 3.3
[21:26] <aaa801> ?
[21:27] <aaa801> yep that worked :D
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[21:28] <timmmaaaayyy> isn't minecraft for the pi out? their page show's that's it's avaliable soon
[21:31] <KiltedPi> No idea Timmay
[21:31] <KiltedPi> There was an article or something on the main website about TTL with GPIO
[21:32] <KiltedPi> I forget where I saw it. Check the forums
[21:32] <KiltedPi> I've NO idea why you wanna do it tho heh
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[21:33] <KiltedPi> I was reading about 'lightning detector' circuits
[21:33] <KiltedPi> Now thats just... well... cool
[21:33] <KiltedPi> The problem is the antenna with them needs to be a few feet
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[21:34] <KiltedPi> A kid would definately get into that, if you could tell them you can record lightning strikes by listening for their radio pattern.
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[21:45] <BigShip> hey guys. Finally getting to work on my pi... just got pianobar running. Now for eiskaltdc++ :)
[21:45] <BigShip> what's everyone else up to?
[21:46] <pierut> compilin' xboxdrv is taking foreveerrr
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[21:48] <BigShip> xboxdrv? *to the googlemachine*
[21:48] <pierut> driver for xbox controllers
[21:48] <pierut> ;p
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[21:49] <BigShip> oh.. wow i'm dumb.
[21:49] <IT_Sean> ?
[21:49] <xeviox> hi guys, I run openelec on my raspberrypi rev1, for a better feedback I want to overclock it a bit
[21:49] <BigShip> What do you plan on using the controller for?
[21:51] <xeviox> can somebody tell me what has to go into config.txt to enable "dynamic" overclocking (I mean if cpu is to busy) to an value of 825 mhz for the cpu, but don't touch other values (e. g. gpu speed or overvoltage)
[21:53] <Perkele> how can i blank tty1 remotely?
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[21:54] <dRbiG> hmm, blank?
[21:55] <Scriven> OK, have a GPIO question. Went to the Vancouver HackSpace's RPI night on Tuesday, and figured out the initial gpio 'blinky led' 'stuff', but am now havin a problem doing it w/ command line... I think the problem is pins, but I'm not sure even how to debug that, this direct HW interaction is new to me.
[21:57] <Scriven> And if anyone else is on the fence about doing it, don't be, it's such a cool thing to see. Have it flashing morse-code at me in python now, but can't figure the equivalent command line magic out
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[22:07] <BigShip> having trouble getting eiskalt to run on my Pi. Does anyone else have a dc++ client running?
[22:07] <Scriven> hadn't thought of that... neat idea!
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[22:08] <ParkerR> Never even heard of eiskalt
[22:09] <BigShip> It's great for Mac or linux. Looks very similar to Apex
[22:09] <axion> i use linuxdcpp
[22:09] <ParkerR> ...
[22:09] <ParkerR> What's Apex?
[22:09] <axion> similar to DC++
[22:09] * ParkerR is lost
[22:09] <BigShip> ApexDc++??
[22:09] <BigShip> its the windows client
[22:09] <pksato> P2P network
[22:10] <ParkerR> Never heard of DC++
[22:10] * ParkerR is out fot he loop
[22:10] <ParkerR> *of the
[22:10] <Scriven> ParkerR, one of the many P2P datasharing protocols.
[22:10] <ParkerR> So kinda like IRC DCC?
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[22:11] <axion> no, the DC protocol designed by neomodus
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[22:11] <BigShip> oh hey, what browsers do you guys use on your pi? Chromium is slowww
[22:11] <xeviox> when I set "force_turbo=0" and "arm_freq=825" will it use dynamic overclocking and DON'T use overvalting?
[22:11] <xeviox> *overvolt
[22:11] <Scriven> BigShip, links2
[22:12] <axion> xeviox: no
[22:12] <Scriven> Have an original 256, so haven't used the browser in X, only RaspBMC on one and command line on the other. ;)
[22:12] <xeviox> axion: what will it do? How do I setup dynamic overclocking (without overvolting) for the cpu only?
[22:12] <axion> overvolt is set with 2 other options
[22:13] <ParkerR> netsurf-gtk is decent
[22:13] <xeviox> axion: I don't want overvolt
[22:13] <xeviox> axion: just dynamic overclock for the cpu
[22:13] <axion> dynamic overclocking by default uses overvolting in order to clock the cpu higher
[22:14] <xeviox> damn, don't want overvolting as it voids warranty afaik
[22:14] <axion> you could set over_voltage=0 to prevent it maybe, but you wont be able to achive high clock rates
[22:14] <Torikun> oi
[22:15] <axion> i personally set over_voltage=2 and over_voltage_min=0 for a slight voltage boost when needed
[22:15] <xeviox> axion: so I could try with "over_voltage=0 / arm_freq=825 / force_turbo=0" to achive dynamiv overclocking without overvolting?
[22:15] <xeviox> k
[22:15] <axion> 6 or less is ok to use, and doesnt void
[22:16] <xeviox> aha
[22:16] <xeviox> at which freq does yours run?
[22:16] <axion> 1000
[22:16] <xeviox> oh wow, any problems?
[22:16] <xeviox> with heating or instability?
[22:17] <axion> no, 1000 is supported by the dynamic clocking by default
[22:17] <axion> there are configs for it for arch and raspian...and is supported y the foundation to work without voiding
[22:18] <xeviox> ok, so I could enter following into config.txt "over_voltage_min=0 / over_voltage=2, arm_freq_min=700 / arm_freq=1000 / force_turbo=0 " and don't void warranty? I use openelec
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[22:19] <farsonic> morning all
[22:19] <axion> you may have problems if you use the usb ports of the pi, or have weak power supply
[22:19] <farsonic> gotta quick question on powering raspberry pi???obviously the main way is to power through the USB...
[22:19] <farsonic> and directly to TP1 and TP2???.
[22:19] <axion> i use a 4amp hub to power the pi and attached devices...i dont use the pi's usb ports
[22:19] <xeviox> axion: think I've a 750 mA power supply and there is USB-Wifi adapter in work
[22:19] <farsonic> however, can I connect directly into any of the connectors on the GPIO interface?
[22:20] <axion> but you can put over_voltage=6 and min to 0, and it will only use op to what is needed
[22:20] <IT_Sean> farsonic: for powering the Pi?
[22:20] <farsonic> ya
[22:20] <IT_Sean> You can power the Pi via the 5v pin on the GPIO header
[22:20] <BigShip> Okay, the eiskalt package is giving me hell... I keep getting E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f
[22:20] <farsonic> or is GPIO only providing external power to devices external
[22:20] <IT_Sean> but it's not really recommended
[22:20] <axion> 750 is pretty weak. dont expect much more than the default clock rate
[22:21] <farsonic> ok, USB is an option???I'm just looking for alternatives. Looking to house a PI within an existing device that will only provide 3.3 or 12v
[22:21] <xeviox> axion: oh, might be a 1.2 mA (checked on RS)
[22:21] <axion> especially with usb wifi
[22:21] <farsonic> so, having to adapt this
[22:21] <axion> use a powered hub!
[22:21] <Scriven> farsonic, I'd agree w/ powered hub. Or just a small, pi-only 12-5 stepdown?
[22:22] <farsonic> I guess it isn't recommended as it is bypassing onboard fuses etc
[22:22] <xeviox> axion: will a 1.2A power work with usb-wifi? So with settings I've postet I won't void warranty?
[22:22] <farsonic> yeah, I'm looking at a 12-5v converter
[22:22] <farsonic> to provide stable 5v
[22:22] <Scriven> farsonic, I'm using one from RC vehicles, called a "CC Bec"
[22:22] <BigShip> if I run sudo apt-get -f install i get back E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) after it runs through a bunch of lines
[22:22] <farsonic> but probably at 3A
[22:22] <farsonic> I had a BEC I threw out recently :)
[22:23] <farsonic> bummer
[22:23] <Scriven> CC Bec can provide 5A @ 12V.
[22:23] <farsonic> I was looking at something like this
[22:23] <Scriven> 7A @< 12V
[22:23] <farsonic> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Car-Led-Display-Power-Supply-12V-To-5V-3A-15W-Car-Power-DC-DC-Power-Converters-/280844178945?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item41639e1601&_uhb=1#ht_4110wt_1160
[22:23] <axion> xeviox: over_voltage=6 or less is okay. 1.2A may or may not be enough depending on the draw of your devices, since you are using the pi to power them
[22:23] <farsonic> eventually I'm looking to make a circuit mount the pi on that would provide my specific interface I'm looking to build
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[22:23] <xeviox> axion: ok big thanks!!! will check with the settings I posted (should be similar to yours) and will see if it works with the power adapter
[22:24] <tb01110100> Do you think KDE would work ok on the RPi?
[22:24] <farsonic> although that converter looks kinda big for my application
[22:24] <Scriven> Hrm, never thought of overclocking the RaspBMC.... what are those warranty-safe settings again?
[22:24] <axion> xeviox: i use this to power everything (4A): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817364025
[22:25] <Scriven> farsonic, there's also some USB charge plugs that fit into the lighter adapter of a car that can work good from what I've read.
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[22:25] <farsonic> so, that type of adapter would be all good then...
[22:25] <xeviox> axion: thanks! Any ideas why the raspy (with openelec default settings) shows a arm_freq of ~464 ?
[22:25] <axion> by everything i mean 2 gamepads, wifi, wireless keyboard receiver, 2.5" ssd in my pi's case, external 3'5" hdd, thumb drive, and maybe more :)
[22:25] <axion> with 1ghz and no issues
[22:25] <Scriven> xeviox, is that an internally-chained hub? And if so, do you experience any of the problems listed in the website of other usb-chained hubs?
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[22:25] <Scriven> er, axion I meant.
[22:26] <xeviox> ^^
[22:26] <farsonic> I mean converter
[22:26] <Scriven> farsonic, you want a good one, not a resistance-based one that'll just get super hot... but I can't remember what the 'good' ones are called....
[22:26] <xeviox> is it possible to set "arm_freq_min" to something like "500" ?
[22:26] <axion> Scriven: not sure, and no problems
[22:26] <Scriven> axion, if you lsusb, how many hubs show up? That's how you can tell IIRC.
[22:26] <farsonic> ok???thanks
[22:26] <axion> i own 2 of them and ran the pi with an uptime of over 2 months at 1ghz
[22:26] <farsonic> good point
[22:26] <axion> if that helps
[22:27] <Scriven> both connected to pi axion, w/ no ports dead/give issues?
[22:27] <axion> checking
[22:27] <axion> no only 1
[22:28] <axion> Scriven: it is 2 7 port hubs in 1 i guess
[22:28] <xeviox> what means the options "initial_turbo=30"?
[22:28] <ParkerR> BigShip, Pastebin the apt-get install -f output
[22:28] <axion> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 1a40:0201 Terminus Technology Inc. FE 2.1 7-port Hub
[22:28] <axion> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 1a40:0201 Terminus Technology Inc. FE 2.1 7-port Hub
[22:28] <Scriven> axion, and so it shows...er, 13 ports, or 14?
[22:29] <axion> xeviox: it means to not use dynamic clocking for the first 30 seconds and to use full speed, in order to boot faster
[22:29] <xeviox> axion: ok thanks
[22:29] <Scriven> BTW, if folks are interested in a morse-code modded adafruit blikie GPIO script I can pastebin it. ;)
[22:29] <xeviox> so just to be sure
[22:30] <BigShip> ParkerR: what?
[22:30] <axion> Scriven: it physically only has 13 sets of pins on the pcb
[22:30] <xeviox> if I set "arm_freq=800" it will run at 800mhz the hole time, but when I set "arm_freq_min=500" and "arm_freq=800" it will dynamically clock between those borders?
[22:30] <Scriven> Ah, 13 port... so one of the first 7 is used to run the second 7... I get it.
[22:30] <axion> i took one out of the case to embed in my pi case
[22:30] <axion> ah makes sense
[22:31] <Scriven> yeah, I decased a hub too, but it turned out to be a crappy only-partially-powered one. :(
[22:31] <axion> they are pretty small
[22:31] <Scriven> will decase the next one when I find a good one that's not too massive.
[22:31] <axion> one thing to note though
[22:31] <ParkerR> BigShip, Upload the output of when you tried apt-get install -f to somewhere like pastebin
[22:31] <BigShip> ParkerR: I had no idea something like pastebin existed. Cool.
[22:31] <axion> 4amps t 13 ports is not enough for the spec'd 5 unit loads per device
[22:32] <chupacabra> try pastebinit from the command line
[22:32] <axion> but you shouldnt notice unless you have an array of 2.5" disks or something
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[22:32] <Scriven> With the 2nd hub I'm using, I even see a problem between ports... wifi works in port nearest power, but not in port nearest usb-in. :(
[22:32] <Scriven> THAT caused me an hour of problems. lol!!
[22:33] <BigShip> ParkerR: http://pastebin.com/jyDcKwRu
[22:33] <axion> lol yeah
[22:33] <axion> i should look into see which ports are of which meta-hub
[22:34] <axion> so i dont ever run into a similar issue
[22:34] <Scriven> certainly wouldn't hurt.
[22:34] <ParkerR> BigShip, :O never seen errors like that before
[22:34] <axion> i assume they allocate 2a per hub, but i could be wrong
[22:34] <ParkerR> "dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: internal gzip read error: '<fd:4>: invalid block type'" maybe SD card is going bad?
[22:34] <Scriven> some of them are 2A first hub, 1A max 2nd too.
[22:34] <ParkerR> BigShip, Try apt-get clean
[22:35] <ParkerR> The apt-get install -f again
[22:35] <ParkerR> *Then
[22:35] <Scriven> is there some reason you're forcing the apt-get BigShip ?
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[22:36] <plugwash> BigShip, try removing /var/cache/apt/archives/libqtscript4-core_0.2.0-1_armhf.deb and then running apt-get -f install again
[22:36] <BigShip> I installed eiskaltdcpp but it wouldn't run. So I ran "sudo apt-get remove eiskaltdcpp" and that failed. So now it's neither installed or uninstalled...
[22:36] <ParkerR> plugwash, Thats what apt-get clean does
[22:37] <ParkerR> Clears out the archives folder
[22:37] <BigShip> yeah, I just ran apt-get clean... now what?
[22:37] <ParkerR> BigShip, Try apt-get install -f
[22:37] <farsonic> right, so a generic 5V BEC should work here then
[22:37] <farsonic> http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__15212__HobbyKing_Micro_UBEC_3A_5v.html
[22:37] <Scriven> Switching bec, that's what they're called IIRC, not resistance becs.
[22:38] <Scriven> Haven't used that one specifically, but theoretically yes.
[22:38] <Scriven> only one I've used is the CC, and it seems to work great.
[22:38] <ParkerR> Scriven, -f isnt force
[22:38] <Scriven> had to mod some cables to 'servo power', but that's easy.
[22:38] <ParkerR> It fix dependencies
[22:38] <farsonic> ok, so does this need to be connected to a battery???.I guess any DC output would be fine
[22:38] <ParkerR> *It's
[22:38] <Scriven> farsonic, not Any, most of them have limits on max-in.
[22:38] <farsonic> yeah, CC stuff is good but expensive
[22:38] <Scriven> ParkerR, yeah, you're right.
[22:38] <farsonic> right???I'm expecting a very stable 12v into it
[22:39] <Scriven> 12V should be within the range. most of them give range in lipo-cell numbers too, 2S, 3S, etc.
[22:39] <farsonic> to from a car battery but another component
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[22:39] <farsonic> yep, let me check
[22:39] <farsonic> to=not
[22:39] <farsonic> this takes in 6-23V
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[22:40] <Scriven> ah, cool, same range as the CCBec.
[22:40] <farsonic> and it costs $4
[22:40] <farsonic> :)
[22:41] <KiltedPi> Whats the power req on a model B gais
[22:41] <KiltedPi> 5v 700 mA?
[22:41] <Scriven> HK FTW. lol! I love their lipo batteries. Nanotech have worked for me for my other RC vehicles. my test-mode battery is an old NiMh 7.2V ;)
[22:41] <Torikun> You should have 1a
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[22:41] <Torikun> 700 is min
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[22:41] <Scriven> KiLaHuRtZ, that's the spec for draw, they recommend as Torikun said a 1A available supply.
[22:42] <KiltedPi> 1A. Roger that
[22:42] <Scriven> farsonic, how many amps will it allow, I forgot to look.
[22:42] <farsonic> Scriven - you connect your bec to the USB ??? GPIO or Test points?
[22:42] <Scriven> nope, hacked a microusb cable.
[22:42] <Scriven> goes right into the main power plug.
[22:42] <Scriven> just chopped it short and rewired the +/- to a servo-style plug.
[22:43] <Scriven> Did the same w/ a 2.1mm power for the powered USB, so it's all portable.
[22:43] <Scriven> run from the CCbec through a servo-power splitter.
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[22:43] <farsonic> 3Amp
[22:43] <farsonic> ok, so you hacked the microusb
[22:43] <farsonic> cool
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[22:44] <Scriven> yeah, the cables are cheap enough, I didn't feel bad. lol
[22:44] <farsonic> yep
[22:44] <farsonic> I have a few lying around
[22:44] <farsonic> thanks
[22:44] <Scriven> yw!
[22:44] <Scriven> I should upload more updated pics to my photobucket, have the old USB hub and no new cables in there.
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[22:46] <Scriven> farsonic, I also wanted it to go into 'main' power to take advantage of any circuitry inside that may protect from over voltage, which I understand the GPIO input doesn't do.
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[22:47] <Scriven> just need a voltage meter to hook up and monitor battery voltage/current.
[22:48] <Scriven> I'd look for a charge circuit too, but I'm not sure it's worth the potential lipo explosion when done properly. ;)
[22:48] <Scriven> improperly I meant.
[22:50] <Scriven> Ok, stay-at-home dad duties to do. afk for a bit until I rescue child from school. ;)
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[22:52] <BigShip> ParkerR: still won't launch eiskalt. Should I remove it and it's dependencies and try to reinstall it?
[22:53] <ParkerR> Not sure
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[23:01] <BigShip> eiskaltdcpp-qt: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDBus.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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[23:01] <TomSlominski> Hi. Ive got a sane server but my scanner is only available under root. As in, I scanimage -L and it only shows up if I do it as sudo
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[23:04] <plugwash> is your user in the scanner group? if not add them (and then logout and back in to make group changes take affect)
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[23:06] <TomSlominski> plugwash, he is. I've rebooted and it didn't help.
[23:08] <TomSlominski> plugwash, I definitely am. This is very weird. The last time I did it it pretty much just worked, now I've been trying for like two days and it doesn't work.
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[23:10] <plugwash> Sounds like a permissions issue of some sort might want to try #sane, see if they can give you any clues
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[23:14] <TomSlominski> plugwash, thanks
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[23:54] <dRbiG> s5fs: i'll credit you as the support for making my post really easily accessible - i'll most probably ask you for a review to make it better :) when i finally mange to put something online,
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[23:55] <dRbiG> it takes even more time than usual given it's my birthday and I'm enjoying the 4th beer :)
[23:55] <pronto> dRbiG: sounds like you need four more beers
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[23:55] <dRbiG> pronto: yeah, got four more in the fridge
[23:56] <pronto> :D
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[23:56] <dRbiG> hopefully, unless i somehow managed to do a off-by-one-error
[23:56] <dRbiG> an*
[23:56] <dRbiG> hmm, i hate doing language mistakes :S
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[23:58] <dRbiG> but i still hate more having not enough beer :D
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[23:59] <dRbiG> damn it, i'll go and check

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