#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-02-10

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[0:04] <Injunire> just bought a pi today, then find out the SD card I have is shot...
[0:04] <ngc0202> I had some SD card issues as well
[0:06] <Injunire> when I plug the sd card into the reader in my laptop it becomes slow and anytime you try and access the sd card it locks up the program
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[0:07] <ngc0202> That's odd
[0:07] <Injunire> yeah I think the card is just junk
[0:09] <chupacabra> rickN
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[0:19] <ztag100> cd /boot
[0:20] <ztag100> shoot, wrong keyboard
[0:22] <chupacabra> lol
[0:22] <ztag100> haha, seems to happen to me pretty often when I'm working between two computers
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[0:23] <chupacabra> or more.
[0:23] <chupacabra> good way to fsck stuff up. hehehe
[0:23] <ztag100> haha
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[0:34] <B0101> Hi, does anyone know of a good text editor for the pi?
[0:35] <chupacabra> vi
[0:35] <tomw889> graphical or command line?
[0:35] <B0101> graphical
[0:35] <tzarc> gvim
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[0:36] <zeBeard> vim !
[0:36] <zeBeard> oh, graphical
[0:36] <squirtsmacintosh> stick to console vim
[0:36] <zeBeard> idd, console vim!
[0:36] <zeBeard> noone needs a gui
[0:36] <tzarc> ^this
[0:37] <squirtsmacintosh> ^seconded
[0:37] * squirtsmacintosh would marry vim if people weren't such prudes
[0:37] <squirtsmacintosh> YOU DONT UNDERSTAND OUR LOVE
[0:38] <tzarc> I started using it about 6mo ago, because I got sick of eclipse at work
[0:38] <zeBeard> eclipse!
[0:38] * zeBeard gasps
[0:38] <tzarc> steep learning curve, but omg, best decision ever
[0:38] <squirtsmacintosh> There is a lot of eclipse at my work but it is loathed
[0:38] * chupacabra never heard of eclipse
[0:38] <af1> well after gay marriage gets pushed through we can work on pushing through the marriage of code
[0:38] <tzarc> well the other offices use slickedit
[0:39] <tzarc> but IT neglected to buy licenses for our office
[0:39] <squirtsmacintosh> We have a lot of users of everything, vim, emacs are the biggest
[0:39] <tzarc> and we were left on our own because they don't care
[0:39] <squirtsmacintosh> Then eclipse and sublime
[0:39] <zeBeard> I like emacs aswell
[0:39] <squirtsmacintosh> and then a bunch of other random java ones like intellij
[0:40] <squirtsmacintosh> tzarc: Get yourself a copy of Practical Vim
[0:40] <chupacabra> how much overhead does one need to edit text?? lol
[0:40] <tzarc> oh I don't know how to read
[0:40] <squirtsmacintosh> and write your own config, don't use one of these "frameworks"
[0:40] <tzarc> and yeah I already have written my own conf
[0:40] <squirtsmacintosh> chupacabra: see above about not understanding
[0:41] <chupacabra> I saw
[0:41] <squirtsmacintosh> your vimrc is never done
[0:41] <chupacabra> ever
[0:41] <tzarc> something that's become quite obvious
[0:41] <tzarc> lol
[0:41] <tzarc> really need to finish up getting C++ competion working
[0:42] <squirtsmacintosh> Mine has gotten a bit big https://github.com/dbuckwalter/vim_config
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[0:42] <tzarc> hmmm, I'd been meaning to split out each bundle into its own config
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[0:43] <squirtsmacintosh> I did that before
[0:43] <tzarc> yeah I can see
[0:43] <squirtsmacintosh> It ended up being a pain in the ass
[0:43] <squirtsmacintosh> bunch of 1 line files
[0:43] <tzarc> lol, fair enough
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[0:44] <squirtsmacintosh> man, this dd is taking forfuckingever
[0:44] <ngc0202> failed to write (No space left on device)
[0:44] <ngc0202> crapples
[0:44] <squirtsmacintosh> woo speak of the devil she finished
[0:45] <squirtsmacintosh> 954204160 bytes transferred in 1098.705799 secs (868480 bytes/sec) 1100s for 90MB :\
[0:45] <tzarc> ouch
[0:46] <tzarc> 900MB silly
[0:46] <squirtsmacintosh> no wai
[0:46] <squirtsmacintosh> the img was only 90
[0:46] <squirtsmacintosh> whoops, I was wrong
[0:47] <squirtsmacintosh> 90MB compressed
[0:47] <squirtsmacintosh> 900MB inflated
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[0:47] <tzarc> I think I'm gonna spend today swapping my env over to zsh from bash
[0:48] <chupacabra> sick
[0:48] <squirtsmacintosh> tzarc: why?
[0:48] <tzarc> considering I'm using *nixes more often than not nowadays, it's time
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[0:48] <squirtsmacintosh> I like bash a good bit
[0:49] <tzarc> more control over args
[0:49] <tzarc> mostly
[0:50] <tzarc> gonna have to build it from source at work though, stupid ancient distro
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[0:57] <squirtsmacintosh> tzarc: which distro?
[0:57] <tzarc> an opensuse well past its used by date
[0:58] <ztag100> tzarc: Y U NO UPDATE?
[0:58] <tzarc> tried, we have constraints on our own software that make it incompatible
[0:58] <tzarc> forward thinking, that
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[1:03] <tensory> Can someone tell me what "BCM" means when calling GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BCM)?
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[1:04] <tzarc> bcm is usually broadcom's abbreviation, but in the context of the gpio, I have no idea
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[1:05] <nopslide> # to change to BCM GPIO numbering
[1:05] <nopslide> GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BCM)
[1:06] <nopslide> it is specific to broadcom afaik
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[1:06] <nopslide> "Use the pin numbers from the ribbon cable board"
[1:06] <mgottschlag> does it change between raspberrypi header pin numbers and peripheral reference gpio pin numbers?
[1:07] <tensory> I see the only other option that the GPIO API understands is GPIO.BOARD
[1:07] <mgottschlag> okay, then that's it
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[1:07] <mgottschlag> the peripheral reference document lists the "official" pin numbers from broadcom, but they are different to the pins on the raspberrypi header
[1:07] <tensory> so BCM would be 1-26 and BOARD would be ??? the weird ordering that i see on the pinout?
[1:07] <mgottschlag> (and they are much more than what is exposed on that header)
[1:07] <mgottschlag> probably
[1:07] <tensory> gotcha
[1:08] <tensory> thanks
[1:09] <nopslide> this might help see which ones are not used from the 2835
[1:09] <nopslide> http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs
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[1:12] <tensory> That's really helpful
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[1:12] <tensory> day one in pi world for me
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[1:13] <nopslide> welcome! :)
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[1:35] <tensory> my friend here with the RPi and I are having a spirited debate about the need for pull up/down resistors
[1:36] <tensory> can anyone weigh in?
[1:36] <tensory> it seemed to me that I would need to pull up/down a button to connect it to an i/o pin
[1:36] <Viper7> tensory: the pi has programmable pull-up and pull-down resistors built in
[1:37] <tensory> and it just depends on which pin group you're attached to?
[1:38] <tensory> that is, I mean: I see from the detailed pin diagram that some pins are high and some are low by default
[1:38] <tensory> I am thinking of using 22-25
[1:38] <Viper7> nah its per pin
[1:38] <pksato> no, only pin.
[1:38] <tensory> ah
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[1:39] <pksato> write some simple program... no need, just use default kernel GPIO sysfs.
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[1:40] <tensory> hmm.
[1:41] <pksato> http://www.elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals#GPIO_Pull_Up.2FPull_Down_Register_Example
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[1:42] <tensory> can you explain why some tutorials suggest using an outside 10K resistor with a switch and others just connect the switch between ground and the pin?
[1:42] <tensory> he sent me https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/3-more-leds-and-a-button/ and it seems like not how I would have thought it worked
[1:43] <tensory> but I am open to using whatever's built in to the board
[1:43] <UnaClocker> tensory: There's a feature in microcontrollers called an "internal pullup"...
[1:43] <Viper7> i use buttons with just ground / no-contact, and the internal pull-up
[1:44] <Viper7> but i do it in C, not via sysfs
[1:44] <tensory> oh, awesome
[1:44] <tensory> okay
[1:45] <UnaClocker> Holy cow.. That has to be the fastest shipment from China I've ever gotten.. ONE week?!
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[1:46] <pksato> some time ago, I tested pull-up/down function, but, no remember if used sysfs or python.
[1:48] <Viper7> bcm2835_gpio_set_pud(uint8_t pin, uint8_t mode) from memory, where mode is BCM2835_GPIO_PUD_OFF/DOWN/UP
[1:48] <Viper7> from memory
[1:48] <Viper7> using bcm2835.c
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[1:49] <tensory> now I gotta look up this sysfs idea.
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[1:50] <tensory> Viper7: nice
[1:50] <tensory> if you just rolled that out of your head :)
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[1:51] <Torikun> oi
[1:53] <IT_Sean> ?
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[1:53] <Torikun> english sayin
[1:53] <Torikun> lol
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[1:54] <Viper7> tensory ;)
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[1:56] <IT_Sean> I know what it is... i was ... nevermind
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[2:02] <lost_soul> does anyone happen to know if a third hardware revision is being planned any time in the near future?
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[2:03] <lost_soul> quite happy with the second revision, just figured I would ask before I purchase another unit
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[2:03] <GabrialDestruir> As far as I know that 512 revision is the last revision they're doing.
[2:03] <UnaClocker> They NEVER mention these things in advance.. Often, revisions are spotted in the wild before anyone mentions anything.
[2:03] <GabrialDestruir> But they may always decide to just pop another one out.
[2:04] <lost_soul> okay, thanks for the information
[2:05] <UnaClocker> lost_soul: What would you like to see revised?
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[2:05] <GabrialDestruir> I'd like to see a gigabit ethernet with PoE >.>
[2:05] <GabrialDestruir> But that's just me being picky... xD
[2:05] <UnaClocker> Me, I think the simplest most useful change I'd like to see is a better SD slot.. My SD cards keep bowing outward and or cracking in the middle.
[2:05] <lost_soul> power over ethernet would be awesome
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[2:06] <plugwash> mmm combine the foundations fear of the osbourne affect with the seeming inability of of the distributors to keep a secret..........
[2:06] <UnaClocker> Mmm, yeah.. POE would be cool..
[2:06] <lost_soul> as would gigabit, however as I said prior I'm quite happy with what I currently have. But would wait to make another purchase if a revision was in the not so distant future
[2:07] <GabrialDestruir> I want to get a 512 revision I haven't bothered to make the purchase yet.
[2:07] <lost_soul> UnaClocker: they have an awesome adapter for that
[2:07] <UnaClocker> plugwash: They'd certainly have a problem with Osbourne effect, because much like him, they take almost a year from the time they plan something to the time it actually happens.
[2:07] <lost_soul> just got it last week
[2:07] <GabrialDestruir> A PoE adapter or an sdcard adapter?
[2:08] <lost_soul> GabrialDestruir: an adapter to make the full sized sdcard in to a microsd so it will not stick out
[2:08] <plugwash> at some point if the rpf want to remain competitive they will have to do a MAJOR revision
[2:08] <plugwash> with a new SoC
[2:08] <UnaClocker> GabrialDestruir: Well there are definitely SD adapters??? Lets you put a uSD card into the SD slot and not have it stick out past the end of the board at all.
[2:08] <plugwash> but afaict it's likely to be a couple of years before that happens
[2:08] <plugwash> (at the earliest)
[2:09] <UnaClocker> Yeah.. Selling a million units, there's a good chance they're in a good bargaining position to get good prices on a better SoC..
[2:09] <GabrialDestruir> The only way they'd do an SoC revision is if they could get it at the same exact price.
[2:09] <UnaClocker> Though I do like to see the Linux community forced to write more efficient code..
[2:10] <UnaClocker> That's how Moore's law works.. 18 months, double the power, half the price.
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[2:11] <GabrialDestruir> True. So it could be possible, but I think as it is they had to pull favors to get the current SoC at the price it is.
[2:11] <plugwash> AIUI they only had to pull those favours because of low volume
[2:12] <lost_soul> I would imagine with a large volume no favors would need to be pulled too
[2:12] <UnaClocker> Yeah, they claim they expected a 10k volume.. At 1million, they're in the same arena as a small cell phone company.
[2:12] <plugwash> They gabled on getting at least 10k volume
[2:12] <plugwash> *gambled
[2:13] <UnaClocker> I totally would have predicted a million from the get go.. And I did, really..
[2:13] <plugwash> had they got less than that they would have lost a lot of money
[2:13] <lost_soul> and the pi's haven't actually been officially put on the market yet have they? I'm pretty sure I read that in an article a while ago.
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[2:13] <UnaClocker> lost_soul: They're on the market. Everyone is selliong them (reselling)..
[2:13] <GabrialDestruir> Sure they are... you can buy them directly from RS or Farnell or Newark etc.
[2:14] <GabrialDestruir> Can even get them for double the price on amazon
[2:14] <lost_soul> ok, I stand corrected
[2:14] <Viper7> how about model As ?
[2:14] <UnaClocker> I got my last one from SparkFun.. Adafruit sells them.. That's pretty retail level..
[2:14] <plugwash> UnaClocker, but would you have bet 20 million dollars or so on it?
[2:14] <UnaClocker> plugwash: I'd have run a Kickstarter.
[2:15] <lost_soul> I picked mine up from MCM electronics, however the box said Element14 on it
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[2:15] <lost_soul> made an excellent media center system
[2:16] <Viper7> re the earlier discussion
[2:16] <UnaClocker> Yeah, two of my Pi (old 256mb units) are RaspBMC units hooked to TV's in my house. :)
[2:16] <plugwash> AIUI the original plan was to do a release for early adoptors, devs etc first and then follow that up with an education release when the hardware/software was ready for it
[2:16] <GabrialDestruir> Actually a Kickstarter would have been the best way for them to do it.
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[2:16] <plugwash> but then the early adoptor/developer release went viral
[2:16] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not sure it would have went any smoother....
[2:16] <Viper7> apparently the bcm2835 has a hardware fft engine, but the docs for it werent given to the RPi team
[2:17] <Viper7> i could really use that engine >.<
[2:17] <lost_soul> UnaClocker: using openelec on mine, will get one more to have as a second media center system for bedroom and another to play with... I have seen people doing some really neat things with them.
[2:17] <plugwash> Also I think their education plans changed from a "big bang" education release to more of a slow buildup working with teachers on a small scale to get things gradually fleshed out
[2:17] <UnaClocker> GabrialDestruir: If they had pre-sales, cash in hand, for 300k units, things could have gone quite smooth..
[2:17] <plugwash> and what if they had made 300K units and then found a crippling problem
[2:17] <plugwash> and had no cash to replace them
[2:18] <GabrialDestruir> That's true... it could have gone smoother.
[2:18] <plugwash> ramping up too fast can be a very risky buisiness
[2:18] <GabrialDestruir> That happened as it was plugwash... xD
[2:18] <UnaClocker> They'd already developed the board, they had the working PCB like 6 months before they went on sale.
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[2:18] <GabrialDestruir> They got like the first 10,000 and the ethernet was broken
[2:18] <GabrialDestruir> they ended up having to send them back or something.
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[2:18] <UnaClocker> hehe, yeah, that was because of the chinese mfgr swapping parts on them.
[2:18] <UnaClocker> Normal made in china problems.
[2:19] <GabrialDestruir> and THEN they ended up needed to go through all that testing.
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[2:19] <sadbox> It's amazing what kinds of bugs people find when you have 100k people looking at something
[2:19] <Viper-7> apparently it can be done on the gpu, but theres no software available for it, just libraries, so it means custom code - and ugh
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[2:20] <plugwash> GabrialDestruir, right lukilly it passed that CE testing with only minor software tweaks but imagine it hadn't
[2:21] <plugwash> that could well have been $300K down the drain
[2:21] <plugwash> maybe more (I dunno how much profit there is in a Pi but i'm guessing not much)
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir> If they had $300k and backed that with whatever they were planning to use originally the issues would have still recovered....
[2:22] <GabrialDestruir> Though I have to admit.... I want a China Red Pi >.>
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[2:23] <plugwash> I suspect they will show up on ebay sooner or later
[2:23] <GabrialDestruir> Possibly...
[2:23] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder how much trouble I could get for owning one of those....
[2:24] <lost_soul> why would you get in any trouble?
[2:24] <GabrialDestruir> or if ownership isn't illegal... just importing >.>
[2:24] <lost_soul> sorry if I sound dense, I've just never heard of them until now
[2:24] <plugwash> My understanding is that as long as you don't try to sell it as a finished product you are ok
[2:24] <GabrialDestruir> Importing a China Red Pi into EU or the USA is illegal because they don't have CE testing done on them.
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[2:25] <lost_soul> ah, okay. Thank you.
[2:25] <dRbiG> hmm, CE is European, why should it have an effect in the US? Secondly, I don't think that having a CE is a requirement.
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[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> I think in the US it's FCC or something
[2:26] <plugwash> it doesn't have the FCC stuff either
[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, it's completely untested.
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[2:26] <dRbiG> not having fcc certification seems to be more of a real problem
[2:26] <dRbiG> ce in europe is afaik more of a guideline than a requirement
[2:27] <plugwash> CE itself is a requirement but manufacturers are allowed to self-certify
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[2:27] <plugwash> and afaict they very rarely if ever get in any real trouble for applying the CE mark to things that really shouldn't have it
[2:28] <plugwash> AIUI without a CE mark you can't legally sell it as a "finished product"
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[2:30] <GabrialDestruir> Yea... if they had been just developers boards it would have been fine....
[2:30] <GabrialDestruir> but the demand for them was so great they for some reason had to get testing.
[2:31] <plugwash> AIUI the problem was that given the demographics of their customer base and the way it hadn't been promoted they didn't think they could get away with saying it wasn't a finished product
[2:31] <plugwash> *the way it had been promoted
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[3:08] <Viper-7> -
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[3:19] <roasted> herro
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[3:34] <Torikun> I got a 10% discount code if you order a pir from MCM
[3:34] <Torikun> who wants it
[3:35] <pronto> 'pir' ?
[3:35] <Torikun> *PI
[3:36] <cyclick> why dont you just give it out
[3:36] <Torikun> in case it is for 1 person only
[3:36] <Torikun> lol
[3:36] <cyclick> ok
[3:37] * Torikun still debating to get a 5th pi
[3:38] <ztag100> I'm debating getting a new model b, 1st onesince I have the
[3:38] <ztag100> since I have the 1st one*
[3:39] <cyclick> Torikun, do you use the 4 at 100% capacity?
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[3:40] <Torikun> dunno
[3:40] <Torikun> lol
[3:40] <ztag100> if you dunno, then you aren't
[3:40] <Torikun> dns,web,email,znc,torrent,openvpn
[3:40] <ztag100> you aren't using them at full capacity, until you can't use them anymore
[3:40] <Torikun> and squid
[3:40] <ztag100> "that's my motto"
[3:41] <Torikun> lol
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[3:42] <Torikun> im trying to get minecraft on my daughters pi now
[3:42] <Torikun> just released
[3:42] <cyclick> Torikun, look at the load using top
[3:42] <ztag100> Torikun: full version is out now?
[3:42] <Torikun> yup
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[3:43] <Torikun> her usb keyboard and wifi dongle are not working now!
[3:43] <Torikun> wtf
[3:43] <Torikun> lol
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[3:43] <cyclick> Torikun, do you have a powered usb hub?
[3:43] <Torikun> no
[3:43] <Torikun> trying a better power supply now
[3:43] <ztag100> I need to plug my pi into a hub, I keep having trouble with my bluetooth kbm not having enough power
[3:44] <Scriven> Torikun, I had a problem with a cheap hub I'm using, wifi only works in the usb port closest to the incoming power port of it, and it's a powered usb hub.
[3:44] <GabrialDestruir> I use a powered hub to power both of mine, works great.
[3:44] <Scriven> keyboard seems to work everywhere.
[3:45] <Torikun> oh
[3:45] <Torikun> this happens every time I clone systems
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[3:47] <Torikun> why would usb stop working on boot?
[3:47] <Torikun> i am using a better power supply now
[3:48] <ztag100> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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[3:48] <ztag100> hm, just plugged my hub into the pi hoping it would feed it oower
[3:49] <ztag100> (using the standard USB ports)
[3:49] <ztag100> but, it doesn't seem to work
[3:49] <ztag100> guess I need to plug it in twice...
[3:50] <pierut> o.o
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[3:51] <ztag100> if the power light is red, I'mg guessing that's not a good thing?
[3:51] <pierut> mine is red
[3:52] <pierut> mine works fine
[3:52] <Torikun> is there a way to reset the ram?
[3:52] <Torikun> like unlpugging it for a min
[3:53] <ztag100> you unplug it for a minute
[3:53] <pierut> :D
[3:53] <Torikun> ok will try that
[3:53] <ztag100> :)
[3:54] <Torikun> ztag100: regarding utilization with top, mosts tasks go to 100% cpu
[3:54] <pierut> i have my pi and desktop running synergy
[3:54] <pierut> \o/
[3:54] <Torikun> nice
[3:54] <ztag100> pierut: my pi is my desktop
[3:55] <pierut> o?
[3:55] <Torikun> pierut: synergy is just mouse and keyboard sharing right?
[3:55] <pierut> yea
[3:55] <Torikun> do you have 2 monitors?
[3:55] <pierut> i have 3 actually
[3:55] <pierut> my desktop is dualhead
[3:55] <pierut> :>
[3:55] <Torikun> so at least 1 per device?
[3:55] <pierut> yea
[3:55] <Torikun> coo
[3:56] <pierut> but 2 on my desktop
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[3:56] <pierut> just wish i had eyefinity
[3:56] <Torikun> ?
[3:56] <pierut> it stretches games across both monitors simultaneously
[3:57] <Torikun> wow
[3:57] <pierut> feature of ati graphics cards
[3:57] <pierut> :]
[3:58] <pierut> also i have a crt tv sitting here
[3:58] <Torikun> linux ?
[3:58] <pierut> so really 4 monitors
[3:58] <pierut> >_>
[3:58] <pierut> <_<
[3:58] <pierut> my desktop runs windows 7
[3:58] <Torikun> !
[3:58] <Torikun> lol
[3:58] <pierut> what
[3:58] <Torikun> no nix =(
[3:58] <pierut> yea
[3:59] <pierut> some things on windows are done with less peril than linux
[3:59] <pierut> some arent too though
[4:00] <ztag100> pierut: current laptop is running windows too
[4:00] <pierut> like trying to get my xbox 1 controller to work under 64bit windows
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[4:00] <ztag100> though, I also keep an old netbook running debian as a aserver
[4:00] <pierut> i miss my netbook :<
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[4:00] <ztag100> pierut, what happened to it?
[4:01] <pierut> i borked it one night when i didnt go to sleep after taking my medications
[4:01] <ztag100> oh god
[4:01] <pierut> ;z
[4:01] <ztag100> more detail please
[4:01] <pierut> it involved a soldering iron and poor motor skills :x
[4:02] <ztag100> now I'm intrigued
[4:02] <pierut> also i broke off the dc jack
[4:02] <Torikun> USB and wifi dongle dont work anymore on 2nd pi
[4:02] <Torikun> hmmmm
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[4:03] <pierut> but not just the jack.. part of the circuit board too
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[4:04] <pierut> unrepairable ;_;
[4:07] * pierut dances
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[4:08] <ztag100> Torikun, is minecraft for pi free
[4:08] <ztag100> ?
[4:08] <Torikun> yup
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[4:08] <pierut> why hasnt it released yet!?
[4:08] <Torikun> it is
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[4:08] <pierut> link ;o
[4:09] <Torikun> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=32494&p=282504
[4:09] <pierut> ty
[4:09] <Torikun> wireless keyboard works on mac nut not pi anymore?
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[4:09] <Torikun> aghhhhh
[4:10] <cyclick> wireless mouse/keyboard works fine on pi (logitech at least..)
[4:10] <Torikun> mine is
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[4:12] <ztag100> midori isn't as fast as I was expecting
[4:12] <Torikun> its horrible
[4:12] <ztag100> (I'm setting up my pi from a minimal debian install)
[4:12] <ztag100> what browsers do you guys use?
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[4:12] <Torikun> try chromium
[4:13] <Torikun> i heard raspian had it
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[4:14] <ztag100> I think it's in the repos
[4:14] <ztag100> yeah, i'm installing it now
[4:15] <Torikun> let me know how it runs
[4:15] <Torikun> i am not able to get it since my keyboard not working lol
[4:16] <ztag100> lol
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[4:17] <Torikun> nothing usb works lol
[4:18] <ztag100> http://i.imgur.com/tZWhQ8N.jpg
[4:18] <Torikun> nice
[4:18] <ztag100> here's a crappy picture of my desktop featuring the pi
[4:18] <ztag100> and my laptop hooked up to a monitor
[4:19] <ztag100> (you might notice an ethernet cable running between my laptop and the pi, that's how my pi is connected to the internet
[4:19] <nineteen67comet> Hello, to keep my wifi working with my RaspBMC kit I have to to to CLI and use "sudo ifup wlan0" then it works fine until re-boot. Making the settings in the GUI/UI doesn't make any difference .. help?
[4:19] <pierut> :D
[4:19] <ztag100> nineteen67comet, add the command to startup
[4:20] <nineteen67comet> ztag100: is it .. um .. /etc/rc.conf or something? I can never remember .. ;) ..
[4:20] <pksato> nineteen67comet: sudo echo "auto wlan0" >>/etc/network/interfaces
[4:20] <ztag100> i think it's something along those lines
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[4:20] <pksato> or, open interfaces on text editor and append auto wlan0
[4:20] <ztag100> or just do what pksato recommended
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[4:20] <nineteen67comet> thanks pksato and ztag100 . rebooting now .. crossing all my toes ..
[4:21] <ztag100> Torikun, it took like 10 seconds to load google.com in chromium
[4:21] <Torikun> =(
[4:21] <nineteen67comet> pksato: I did nano . waiting to see if it took ..
[4:21] <pierut> links!
[4:21] <ztag100> :/
[4:21] <pierut> or lynx
[4:22] <ztag100> nineteen67comet, that could be influenced by the slow connection my pi has though
[4:22] <nineteen67comet> isn't acting like ti stuck ..
[4:22] <ztag100> that last message was for Torikun not nineteen67comet
[4:22] <nineteen67comet> nope, I can ping it, but it doesn't connect ..
[4:24] <ztag100> n???ineteen67comet: try what I wrote
[4:24] <nineteen67comet> dang .. not impressed with raspbmc .. wifi worked hunky doory (after a load of work) in the regular Wheezy ..
[4:25] <nineteen67comet> ztag100: add it to startup? .. I can't remember what file Debian uses for start ups (Gentoo is's rc-update) ..
[4:27] <ztag100> add a scrit to /etc/init.d
[4:28] <ztag100> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28
[4:29] <pksato> or, best put allow-hotplug wlan0 on interfaces
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[4:30] <pierut> i think synergy is making it difficult to move in minecraft
[4:30] <nineteen67comet> pksato: got allow-hotplug wlan0 but it still wasn't sticking ..
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[4:33] <roasted> :D
[4:34] <ztag100> watchu smiling about?
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[4:46] <JakeSays> so anybody tried node.js on the pi?
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[4:47] <DeliriumTremens> compile you scurvy dog!
[4:47] <ztag100> seems like NetSurf might be a good lightweight browser
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[4:48] <ztag100> Torikun, if you're still curious, it loads google in 2 seconds
[4:48] <Torikun> what does
[4:48] <ztag100> (from my count, according to it, it got it in .7 seconds)
[4:48] <ztag100> NetSurf
[4:48] <Torikun> nice
[4:49] <Torikun> midori was not able to login google , pissed me off
[4:49] <Torikun> made it useless
[4:49] <Torikun> lol
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[4:49] <ztag100> I'm unstialling chromium and midori now
[4:49] <Torikun> can you do more stuff un netsurf
[4:50] <ztag100> is there anything you want me to test?
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[4:50] <axion> try xombrero
[4:51] <JakeSays> chromium runs on the pi?
[4:51] <Torikun> can you login gmail
[4:51] <ztag100> JakeSays, yes, but extremely slowly
[4:51] <Torikun> and youtube
[4:52] <JakeSays> ztag100: heh. i imagine so
[4:52] <JakeSays> is it the full chromium?
[4:52] <nineteen67comet> JakeSays: It's not horrible, but it also doesn't play YouTube, can't install Flash and doesn't handle HTML5 .. someday ..
[4:52] <JakeSays> that would be a bit much
[4:52] <Torikun> there is an html 5 parser module
[4:52] <Torikun> i seen on their site
[4:52] <JakeSays> nineteen67comet: what cant handle html5?
[4:53] <ztag100> though, it might just be that slow because I have the OG raspberry pi with only 256 MB of RAM
[4:53] <Tickle> nineteen67comet: Sounds like Internet Explorer
[4:53] <JakeSays> and not installing flash isn't an issue with chromium.
[4:53] <JakeSays> iirc adobe hasn't released a pi port
[4:54] <JakeSays> Torikun: which site are you talking about?
[4:54] <Torikun> adobe quit supporting arm awhile ago
[4:54] <Torikun> netsurf home page about section JakeSays
[4:54] <JakeSays> ah ok
[4:54] <ztag100> JakeSays, it doesn't have support for JS, though it can use the html version of gmail
[4:55] <Torikun> oh nice
[4:55] <JakeSays> ztag100: what doesnt? chromium?
[4:55] <ztag100> netsurf
[4:55] <JakeSays> oh
[4:55] <JakeSays> lol
[4:55] <Torikun> already a better browser than midori
[4:55] <JakeSays> i came in the middle and confused myself
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[4:56] <JakeSays> well, browsing isn't something i want to do with my pis anyway
[4:56] <Torikun> me either
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[4:57] <Torikun> even chrome over ssh on the pi was bad
[4:57] <JakeSays> chrome over ssh?
[4:57] <pronto> ssh -X with chrome?
[4:57] <Torikun> yup
[4:57] <pronto> that sounds horribad
[4:57] <squirtsmacintosh> even chrome? Chrome would be the worst
[4:57] <pronto> ssh -X sucks
[4:57] <ztag100> It would be
[4:57] <squirtsmacintosh> Memory hog
[4:57] <pronto> it works in a pinch...but omg , only last ditch effort
[4:57] <JakeSays> not sure what the significance of -X is
[4:57] <Torikun> pi sucks for anything graphical lol
[4:58] <pronto> JakeSays: x11 fowarding
[4:58] <JakeSays> pronto: ah ok
[4:58] <JakeSays> i use vnc
[4:58] <JakeSays> which works well enough
[4:58] <nineteen67comet> JakeSays: -C is also decent for compressing the data back and forth ..
[4:58] <pronto> yeah, stick with that...
[4:58] <JakeSays> the only time i use a GUI is when i want to edit a bunch of config files.
[4:58] <pronto> ssh -X is gonna be laggy on a gbit lan even
[4:59] <ztag100> Torikun: it doesn't look like the official MC came out
[4:59] <pronto> JakeSays: learn vim :D
[4:59] <ztag100> just that leaked version from a while ago
[4:59] <JakeSays> pronto: ew
[4:59] <Torikun> oh
[4:59] <pronto> :(
[4:59] <Torikun> that was a recent article
[4:59] <Torikun> lol
[4:59] <JakeSays> pronto: i've managed to survive 31 years as a developer w/o learning vi. i hope to die that way. lol
[4:59] <Torikun> good work JakeSays
[4:59] <Torikun> nano ftw!
[4:59] <pronto> JakeSays: btw vi is NOT vim
[5:00] <pronto> and vim is NOT vi
[5:00] <JakeSays> vi*
[5:00] <Torikun> lol
[5:00] <pronto> they're much differnet
[5:00] <JakeSays> Torikun: yeah nano isnt bad
[5:00] <pronto> vim is based on vi
[5:00] <pronto> but..as the name implies, improved :D
[5:00] <JakeSays> pronto: do they both require cryptic key sequences to get anything done?
[5:00] <Torikun> ahahahahah
[5:00] <pronto> JakeSays: but some of us are smart enough to learn them, and make our editors do tasks for us :D
[5:01] <Torikun> the linux way JakeSays
[5:01] <Torikun> lol
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[5:01] <JakeSays> pronto: and some of us are even *smarter* and can avoid the whole mess altogether
[5:01] <pronto> then again, i'm on a dev. i'm sysadmin/info-sec
[5:01] <Torikun> i love that Solaris 11 coems with nano
[5:02] <JakeSays> you better get off that dev
[5:02] <pronto> when ever i accidently nano, i usally just end up doing killall -9 nano
[5:02] <Torikun> lol
[5:02] <pierut> i like nano >_>
[5:03] <Torikun> nano is the only text editor as far as I am concerened
[5:03] <pronto> anyway, back to figuring out this ALIX.2D3 board
[5:03] <JakeSays> pronto: whats an alix.2d3 board?
[5:03] <pronto> http://store.netgate.com/ALIX2D3-2D13-Kit-Red-Unassembled-P174C82.aspx < kit thing i got
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[5:04] <JakeSays> very cool
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[5:05] <JakeSays> i want a gertboard
[5:06] <pronto> yeah those things look neat
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[5:07] <ztag100> what's it do?
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[5:10] <AC`97> ponies?
[5:10] <AC`97> where's all the ponies? :(
[5:11] <odin_> in lasagna ?
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[5:44] <home> hey guys
[5:44] <home> I need help fixing latency problems
[5:45] <home> running my Raspberry Pi as an AP
[5:45] <home> and its having latency issues
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[5:45] <home> latency
[5:45] <home> and connectivity issues
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[5:54] <home> and then it started working okay
[5:54] <home> fml
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[6:01] <ztag100> home, happens to everyone
[6:01] <ztag100> lol
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[6:03] <home> it started wworking fine
[6:03] <home> could be a power issue
[6:03] <home> gonna find the answer to this
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[6:16] <Torikun> anyone know how to do usenet
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[6:19] <SpeedEvil> in what way?
[6:19] <home> it seems
[6:19] <SpeedEvil> you sign up for a Usenet server, or find a free, limited one.
[6:19] <home> 5.1V is the magic number
[6:19] <home> for me to not have any latency issues
[6:19] <home> fml
[6:20] <SpeedEvil> you point the client of your choice at it
[6:20] <home> I swear I was using that adapter all this time..
[6:20] <home> anyway...someone help me make a portable power solution for my rpi
[6:21] <Torikun> i never used usenet before
[6:21] <Torikun> dunno how to get started
[6:21] <Torikun> or what to use
[6:21] <Torikun> it was popular when I started using the net in 1995
[6:22] <axion> pay a good service provider and get a software client
[6:22] <SpeedEvil> home: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170734419936?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 and http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251187566532?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[6:22] <Torikun> what is it used for
[6:22] <SpeedEvil> Torikun: discussion groups, and sometimes binaries
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[6:22] <Torikun> binaries for?
[6:23] <home> SpeedEvil: how fast is the delivery?
[6:23] <SpeedEvil> multimedia
[6:23] <axion> anything and everything. usenet is bigger and older than http
[6:23] <SpeedEvil> home: a couple of days in my case
[6:23] <Torikun> oh
[6:23] <axion> most stuff is first propagated through usenet
[6:23] <home> how many days is a couple?
[6:23] <home> 3?
[6:23] <Torikun> so like bit torrent
[6:23] <home> 5?
[6:23] <Torikun> lol
[6:24] <Torikun> so how do you access it
[6:24] <Torikun> http://www.freeusenetnews.com/
[6:24] <Torikun> that lists the servers
[6:24] <SpeedEvil> home: I wasn't quite being serious, that will power a pi for over a month
[6:24] <SpeedEvil> home: and is only portable if you're into weightlifting
[6:24] <axion> except decentralized, uneditable, faster, and more security
[6:25] <home> lool
[6:25] <SpeedEvil> home: it is however, what's powering my pi.
[6:25] <axion> Torikun: i recommend usenetserver.com or astraweb.com
[6:25] <axion> giganews is popular, but a bit expensive too
[6:25] <Torikun> they all are pay =(
[6:26] <SpeedEvil> noon binary is cheaper
[6:26] <axion> of course. the only way to get any joy out of usenet is to subscribe
[6:26] <axion> i pay $40/3 months
[6:26] <Torikun> I am trying binreader now
[6:26] <Torikun> looks free
[6:26] <axion> cheaper is not better as far as usenet...by far
[6:27] <axion> the free ones are not worth your time for binary content either
[6:28] <Torikun> i connect to one and noting is ther
[6:28] <Torikun> elol
[6:29] <Torikun> i dont get this usenet
[6:29] <home> lol
[6:29] <home> I have access to a vps
[6:29] <axion> with a paid usenet subscription you can download anything as fast as your connection will allow, with about 950 days backwards posts, with more than 10TB posted daily
[6:29] <home> come AT ME
[6:30] <Torikun> how safe are they
[6:30] <Torikun> from getting in jail
[6:31] <axion> usenet providers do not log downloads, only uploads. the govt would have to ask for a record of who downloaded what, and they would be like sorry, we dont log that. but this ip uploaded it
[6:31] <Torikun> usenetserver ? is a safe on to register?
[6:31] <axion> been a member for 10 years there
[6:31] <axion> id say yes
[6:32] <Torikun> want to give me a referral axion
[6:32] <Torikun> it's asking for one =)
[6:33] <Torikun> axion: ?
[6:34] <axion> uhh what?
[6:34] <Torikun> give me your customer ID so I can say you referred me and you get credit
[6:34] <Torikun> http://www.usenetserver.com/en/referralprogram.php
[6:34] <Torikun> you will get $10 credit
[6:34] <axion> i tried logging into the web site but it locked me out due to bad password twice
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[6:34] <axion> i gotta wait 24h
[6:34] <Torikun> what does it mean 10 connections ?
[6:34] <Torikun> or 20 connections
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[6:35] <axion> it means you can download 10 or 20 threads simultaneously...or split it amoung computers.
[6:35] <Torikun> oh
[6:35] <Torikun> i am doing the $3 trai
[6:36] <Torikun> wtf locked out all ready
[6:37] <Torikun> is the lockout perioud 24 hours for me also?
[6:37] <axion> idk i guessed
[6:37] <axion> pm
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[6:39] <warrenvsmith> wow there is a lot of people in here
[6:39] <home> no really
[6:39] <home> most people idle
[6:40] <home> warrenvsmith: a lot of people idle..
[6:40] <home> anyway, what's up?
[6:40] <tensory> suppose I can drop, but this is an educational day1...
[6:40] <tensory> :)
[6:40] <warrenvsmith> not much
[6:40] <warrenvsmith> I am frustrated by my lack of linux experiance
[6:40] <home> warrenvsmith: we are all lacking linux experience...
[6:41] <home> nothing to be ashamed off
[6:41] <home> but you should learn more about Linux, till you become comfortable with it
[6:41] <home> we all have to start somewhere, and work our way up when needed
[6:42] <home> there are still a bunch of things that I don't know, but I am not too uncomfortable or frustrated...
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[6:42] <home> whatever you do, just make sure you do it in your own pace....
[6:42] <ztag100> is there gmake for debian on the pi?
[6:44] <_genuser_> hey guys, is the rpi backordered? or is the website showing 4wk shipping time normal?
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[6:46] <warrenvsmith> where are u purchasing from?
[6:47] <warrenvsmith> I ordered one from MCM electronics and it only took a few days to arrive
[6:47] <_genuser_> raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com, ordering from US. newark.com says 168 expected feb 18th.
[6:47] <yeboot> I'm trying to get my raspberry pi to play video through hdmi
[6:48] <yeboot> without having to have X11 runningo n it
[6:48] <yeboot> what do you guys use
[6:48] <yeboot> (if you do that)
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[6:49] <home> lol
[6:49] <yeboot> even if you don't I'm at a loss as to what to google
[6:49] <home> did they release the A version?
[6:50] <ztag100> yeboot: you want to play video, without X?
[6:51] <yeboot> ztag100 yes
[6:51] <axion> both omxplayer and xbmc, the only hardware-accelerated players, use openmax to talk to dispmanx, the videocore gpu's own window manager that does not need X
[6:51] <SpeedEvil> home: yes
[6:52] <home> how much CAD dollars is it
[6:52] <home> and how much RAM?
[6:52] <SpeedEvil> 256
[6:53] <SpeedEvil> it's ??19.50 IIRC in 100s
[6:53] <yeboot> why are gertboards so expensive
[6:54] <warrenvsmith> they arent
[6:54] <yeboot> when I was looking at them on amazon they were around $80usd
[6:54] <warrenvsmith> it just seems that way cause the pi is so cheap
[6:54] <yeboot> hahaha
[6:54] <yeboot> true
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[6:55] <yeboot> actually, really true. Most embedded arm stuff I was looking at was like $140 usd
[6:55] <yeboot> then you had the pi
[6:55] <yeboot> better stats for the most part, fractional price
[6:56] <home> I need a quad dev board
[6:56] <home> lol
[6:56] <home> to do kinect stuff
[6:56] <warrenvsmith> kinect stuff like what?
[6:56] <home> at this point, I just really need some good batteries
[6:56] <home> i dunno
[6:56] <home> navigating through a room?
[6:56] <warrenvsmith> lol
[6:56] <yeboot> shouldn't you know before you start putting money intoit
[6:57] <warrenvsmith> yeah thats on my to do list also
[6:57] <home> the kinect isnt mine though...
[6:57] <home> just borrowing it
[6:57] <home> but meh
[6:57] <warrenvsmith> i dont even have one yet
[6:57] <home> I have other "issues" this month
[6:57] <home> that I gotta fix first
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[6:57] <home> but the kinect is pretty cool
[6:58] <warrenvsmith> first I am gonna see how far i can get with just an ir sensor
[6:58] <home> lol
[6:58] <warrenvsmith> my programming skill is limited to say the least
[6:58] <yeboot> axiom neither omxplayer or xmbc show up in the arch-arm repos :(
[6:58] <yeboot> oh they're in aur, ofc
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[7:03] <axion> yeboot: they are in the binary aur repository specific to alarm
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[7:03] <axion> not the archlinux aur
[7:03] <axion> well they are there too, but not prebuilt
[7:03] <yeboot> ?
[7:03] <yeboot> I'm just getting them from AUR
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[7:04] <axion> and building yourself? ok but could be a while
[7:04] <axion> they are built freqnetly into binaries for you by the alarm team
[7:05] <warrenvsmith> @home http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRPEns8MS2o
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[7:05] <yeboot> axion I hope not. but I have to wait on that anyway Im expected in the outside world
[7:06] <yeboot> later
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[7:07] <home> warrenvsmith: my programming skills are limited too
[7:07] <home> doesn't mean I stopped trying
[7:08] <home> always keep trying to improve on something, if you think they are limited
[7:08] <home> urgh sleepy
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[7:46] <KidBeta> im in a bit of a dilemma
[7:47] <KidBeta> i dont have a HDMI screen anymore, im at uni and want to remote in my rpi but dont know the ip address
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[7:49] <elek> ah, i built a mono service that sends me a text of the local and external ip of my rpi. but i guess that wont help you now
[7:49] <elek> scan the network for it :]
[7:50] <KidBeta> my first real use of wireshark
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[7:55] <home> KidBeta: nice
[7:55] <home> I really want to know how to find the ip XD
[7:56] <home> but your router should be easily able to pick it up
[7:56] <home> anyway
[7:56] <home> there is always a way
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[7:58] <elek> nmap, scan for port 22
[7:59] <KidBeta> elek im not scanning the network im on that probably has over 1k devices for my pi by doing that
[7:59] <boakun> anyone sucessfully oc their rip to 1000 mhz
[7:59] <boakun> i find it pretty unstable
[8:00] <elek> 1k linux devices? if its on the same router as the box your own, you probably know the ip range
[8:01] <KidBeta> elek wouldnt surprise me
[8:01] <elek> if you have a router, check the routers routing table
[8:01] <KidBeta> lots of media servers
[8:01] <KidBeta> uh
[8:01] <KidBeta> im at uni
[8:01] <KidBeta> this isnt my router
[8:02] <elek> then scanning for it is your only option..
[8:02] <KidBeta> im current checking the ARP packets i get for the source of raspberry
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[8:03] <KidBeta> which worked :D
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[8:57] <ursus2600> maybe someone can help me out.... everytime I run sudo apt-get update, I get the error E: The list of sources could not be read. I am thinking the card is corrupted. pm me
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[9:21] <Tachyon`> ursus2600: try looking at /etc/apt/sources.list
[9:21] <Tachyon`> by the sounds of it it's missing or unreadable
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[9:36] <Gr33n3gg> boakun: hello
[9:36] <boakun> yo
[9:36] <boakun> you idle in here?
[9:36] <Gr33n3gg> all the time
[9:36] <boakun> you got a rpi?
[9:36] <Gr33n3gg> yes sir
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[9:36] <boakun> what you running on it
[9:36] <Gr33n3gg> raspbian
[9:37] <Gr33n3gg> I haven't played with it much
[9:37] <boakun> im using openelec
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[9:37] <Gr33n3gg> I got my NES controller hooked up to it by the GPIO pins and then just left it
[9:37] <boakun> cool
[9:37] <boakun> i got an ir reciver hooked up to gpio pins
[9:37] <boakun> works with my harmony remote
[9:37] <Gr33n3gg> ah nice
[9:37] <boakun> xbmc semi lags in menus
[9:37] <boakun> 1-2s at most
[9:37] <boakun> was worse before i oc'd the cpu/mem
[9:38] <Gr33n3gg> eh, I was thinking about it for xbmc
[9:38] <Gr33n3gg> but I have an apple tv 2 for xbmc/netflix
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[9:38] <Gr33n3gg> but atv2 is only 720p
[9:38] <boakun> yea
[9:38] <boakun> i have dts passhtru on my rpi
[9:38] <boakun> gotta love hdmi
[9:38] <Gr33n3gg> the only think I'd lose with the rpi is netflix
[9:38] <boakun> ya
[9:38] <boakun> my av reciveer/bluray player has netflix built in
[9:38] <Gr33n3gg> ah, that's always nice
[9:39] <boakun> and i ahve countless netflix boxes
[9:39] <boakun> i.e. my ps3
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[9:40] <rymate1234> trying to connect my pi to my bluetooth keyboar
[9:40] <rymate1234> d
[9:41] <rymate1234> I get this error:
[9:41] <rymate1234> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ sudo hidd --connect DC:2C:26:03:C0:30
[9:41] <rymate1234> Can't get device information: Host is down
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[9:46] <Tachyon`> hrm
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[9:47] <Tachyon`> have you already done the --server
[9:47] <Tachyon`> to start it
[9:47] <Tachyon`> if you need to
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[9:47] <Tachyon`> and the search to see if it's actually listed
[9:47] <Tachyon`> also, it may have gone out of pairing mode just before you entered the command
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[9:55] <rymate1234> so apparently
[9:55] <rymate1234> in order to connect my keyboard
[9:55] <rymate1234> I need to press the ID button on it
[9:55] <rymate1234> before connecting
[9:56] <Tachyon`> to pair it, aye
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[9:57] <Tachyon`> oh, did you just read the MAC from the label on the keyboard itself and attempt to connect without putting it itno pairing mode?
[9:57] <Tachyon`> that was never going to work, lol
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[10:24] <_ember> I asked on dev channel, but maybe i will be more lucky here :) have someone had problem similiar to " bash: line 1: 2437 Segmentation fault DISPLAY=:0.0 /home/pi/gauges/gauges" when trying to run app from QTCreator? Another project with same configuration works properly
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[10:29] <Triffid_Hunter> _ember: segfault means it tried to access memory it hasn't allocated, usually human error in the code, such as not checking errors
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[10:33] <Tachyon`> ahh
[10:33] <Tachyon`> actually on the pi I've found segfaults often indicate SD corruption too
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[10:52] <gordonDrogon> yea, turn off overclocking, reboot, check messages, etc. I've not had any SD card issues since I stopped overclocking.
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[10:53] <boakun> oc'ing working fine here
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> it worked OK for me for a while too - until I moved to the dynamic switching - then I started to get issues. I suspect there may be power spikes at the point it switches.
[10:58] <boakun> dynamic oc?
[10:58] <boakun> i have that off
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> I turned it all off and just left it. I've not really missed it TBH.
[10:58] <boakun> i found the little oc i did
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> yes - the new "turbo" mode.
[10:58] <boakun> made the menu's nicer/less laggy
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[10:58] <boakun> in xbmc
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> don't run that..
[10:59] <boakun> im sure not everyone does
[10:59] <boakun> only use i have for the rpi though
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[11:00] <gordonDrogon> ok
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> yea, I know that a great many are just using it for media!
[11:01] <boakun> ya
[11:01] <boakun> what do you use it for
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> quite fitting when the SoC was originally designed as a set-top-box...
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> programming, fun, writing new code ...
[11:01] <boakun> ah
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> earning moeny ..
[11:01] <boakun> i can do that on this pc
[11:01] <boakun> ivy bridge i7 / 16gbb ddr3
[11:01] <boakun> lol
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> sure, but your PC isn't a Pi :)
[11:03] <boakun> heh
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[11:04] <boakun> perhaps it could be
[11:05] <indi> I have quasselcore running on my pi 24/7. I find that fairly useful.
[11:05] <boakun> quasselcore?
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[11:07] <indi> The core part of the quassel IRC client. Which you then connect to from the quassel client on your other computers, phone (quasseldroid) etc
[11:08] <boakun> quassel net
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[11:11] <gordonDrogon> I wasspeakin to someone on Friday night wh's actually replaced 3 office servers with Pi's!
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> He's doing it to save energy - I think he's now some 300 watts lighter :)
[11:12] <boakun> what kinda server can run on it i wonder
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> reduced performance of-course, but maybe it's worth it...
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> it's just disk/files - running samba. One is a router/firewall.
[11:12] <coffe> maby there core sql server :P
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[11:12] <gordonDrogon> your average small office doesn't really need anything more in my experience.
[11:18] <_ember> thanks for advice, but mine SD card id brand new, and I highly doubt it'd corrupted. havent OC either
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[11:22] <_ember> what's also strange, the program worked yesterday no problem. hmm, I will try write image on SD one more time
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[11:45] <gordonDrogon> did you check the output of dmesg to see if they were SD errors or just program errors?
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[11:59] <_ember> czesc
[11:59] <_ember> no this window, sorry
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[12:00] <_ember> I'm kind of newbie to linux so I did not yet :) dmesg outputs:
[12:00] <_ember> [14855.392994] mmcblk0: error -84 transferring data, sector 7, nr 1, cmd response 0x900, card status 0x0
[12:00] <_ember> [14855.393003] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 7
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[12:07] <gordonDrogon> yea, that does sound like issues with the SD card - or interface to it.
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> the number is [] is the time in seconds since boot.
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[12:56] <savagecroc> hey.. does anyone know of a way of adding a TPM chip to the rasberrypi
[12:56] <savagecroc> or how one would go about adding it
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[12:57] <rm> why, Raspberry Pi not evil enough for your purposes?:)
[12:58] <savagecroc> rm: i'm guessing you don't understand what tpm does
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[13:00] <savagecroc> I know you can purchase tpm chips individually from companies like inferion but without manufacturing the entire PCB i'm not sure how you would extend the rasberri pi so that it could interface with the chip
[13:01] <savagecroc> tp Infineon
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> Broadcom make TPM chips.. They could probably produce a custom GPU code module to emulate one...
[13:02] <savagecroc> gordonDrogon: yeah i need something that i can bolt onto the pi
[13:03] <savagecroc> i doubt i could call them up and ask them to make custom boards
[13:03] <lantizia> Lo, is there anyway to give the rPi both a Speaker and Microphone port? (I can see a blue 3.5mm port - that's speaker right?)
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[13:03] <lantizia> p.s. *without* using a usb sound card :P
[13:03] <savagecroc> lantizia: i'm very interested in that answer as well.. i'd assumed it had come with both :/
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> no microphone input.
[13:04] <savagecroc> hmm google says use USB microphone
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[13:04] <gordonDrogon> some folks are (I think) working to get access to the I2S interface, so that might be able to be used - but you'd need a mic. with an I2S output!
[13:04] <savagecroc> probably too expensive howerver
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> easier to use a usb sound "card" ..
[13:05] <lantizia> I have a Spectrum 128k, and I usually use a little USB sound card with it so I can play/record tape images to/from my PC (without having to use my main sound card) - but basically I'm looking for a little device now that is Speaker/Mic to Ethernet
[13:05] <lantizia> That way *any* of my pc's can simple stream to/from the spectrum over the network
[13:06] <lantizia> was hoping the rPi might be useful in that way without having to plug the USB sound card in to that
[13:06] <savagecroc> gordonDrogon: would it be possible to manufacture something?
[13:07] <savagecroc> i.e. something very cheap that plugs into the board
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> I'd just buy a usb device.
[13:07] <savagecroc> any idea what the cost per unit is?
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> the issue with using e.g. the GPIO - SPI or I2C is timing.
[13:08] <savagecroc> usb microphones i think i really expensive
[13:08] <savagecroc> are*
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> you'd need some clever kernel drivers to do the sampling accurately.
[13:08] <savagecroc> :(
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> that's not impossible in the kernel.
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[13:09] <savagecroc> are there any pi alternative boards at the moment
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> but the effort ...
[13:09] <savagecroc> at similar prices?
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> usb soundcard is ?2.77 on amazon.
[13:10] <savagecroc> $6 USD
[13:10] <savagecroc> ?
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> just plug in standard 3.5mm PC microphone
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> probably $5
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[13:11] <savagecroc> ok so i'm probably looking at a base cost of $60 per computer $14 (screen), $35 (pi), $10 (case). $6(kb), $5 (usb), $1 microphone, $1 headphones
[13:12] <savagecroc> sorry $73
[13:12] <savagecroc> ohhh 2.77 on amazon
[13:12] <savagecroc> i can probably source it cheaper if i purchase in bulk
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[13:15] <savagecroc> i've still got no idea how to implement the encryption though :/
[13:15] <savagecroc> nice.. found them for 0.80c
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[13:17] <gordonDrogon> what's the application?
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> I'm guessing sending encrypted speech from A to B ?
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> in real-time ?
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[13:19] <savagecroc> yeah
[13:19] <savagecroc> oh no
[13:19] <savagecroc> not encrypted speech
[13:19] <savagecroc> it's for taking exams
[13:20] <savagecroc> and general education
[13:20] <savagecroc> problem is that for it to work it has to be next to unhackable even by professionals
[13:20] <savagecroc> since there is going to be a strong incentive (i.e. money) for it to get hacked
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[13:24] <lkeijser> hi, I'm unable to install any packages: http://dpaste.com/918505/
[13:25] <lkeijser> not very familiar with debian, unfortunately, so I don't know if this is easily fixed
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[13:29] <schnuws> possible to purge the packages in question?
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[13:30] <lkeijser> purge as in deinstall/remove?
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[13:32] <aaa801> no its hhis package cache thats curropted
[13:32] <lkeijser> yeah, looks like it
[13:32] <aaa801> i dont have the commands to hand, but he needs to purge the package cache and then apt-update
[13:32] <aaa801> apt-get update*
[13:32] <lkeijser> dpkg --clear-avail worked :)
[13:32] <aaa801> ye thatd do it
[13:32] <aaa801> :D
[13:32] <lkeijser> cool
[13:34] <lkeijser> anyone know of an equalizer prog that I can use from the cmdline? My mpd is kind of distorted with so much bass :)
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[13:36] <Hopsy> hi can someone help me?
[13:37] <schnuws> Maybe
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[13:37] <Hopsy> does this support AP mode? http://dx.com/p/3800mw-2-4ghz-150mpbs-802-11-b-g-n-usb-2-0-wlan-wifi-wireless-network-adapter-111493
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[13:37] <Hopsy> I cant find it here http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers
[13:38] <Hopsy> only at the notes 'Tested with RT2870/RT3070 driver '
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[13:42] <gordonDrogon> taking exams .... audio ... encrypted link .... sounds like cheapting to me :)
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[14:00] <savagecroc> cheating?
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[14:08] <B0101> Hi, for the raspberry pi version of the freebsd OS, how can I install LXDE?
[14:09] <jelly1> using ports i guess
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[14:12] <B0101> ports doesn't exist?!?
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[14:21] <Duality> hey all
[14:21] <schnuws> hiho
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[14:29] <Duality> is there any limit on sd class that can be used with pi ?
[14:30] <jelly1> sure
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[14:38] <Triffid_Hunter> Duality: I wouldn't expect so but also haven't looked.. I've read a few things that suggest that class 6 is best though
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[14:44] <xarvox> Hi guys and gals!
[14:44] <schnuws> elo!
[14:46] <dape> Duality 20 MB/s
[14:46] <xarvox> I'm having some technical problems with my raspberry, i think its mainly user error, so i need a tech-savvy linux expert, or pretty much anyone who can install emulators on xbmc-equipped system with bluetooth support (ps3 six axis gamepad.
[14:47] <xarvox> the current issue (following tutorials) is that a tool called hciconfig is not found and "hcitool scan" shows no devices, altho a dongle is connected
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[14:56] <B0101> for freebsd, how can I access manual files?
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[15:05] <jelly1> man foo
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[15:09] <B0101> jelly1: I tried it and i get: man: command not found
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[15:19] <yeboot> so I'm having a hard time getting hdmi out working with software
[15:20] <yeboot> like
[15:20] <yeboot> if hdmi is running I don't get audio out
[15:21] <ParkerR> yeboot, What audio source do you want?
[15:21] <ParkerR> *output
[15:21] <yeboot> alsa, I guess
[15:21] <yeboot> unless I misunderstand your question
[15:22] <PhotoJim> does the analog audio output work?
[15:22] <ParkerR> No I mean
[15:22] <PhotoJim> are you saying it wont' output audio on HDMI?
[15:22] <ParkerR> HDMI or the headphone jack
[15:22] <yeboot> yeah the analog does
[15:22] <PhotoJim> or that it won't on analog when you use HDMI?
[15:22] <yeboot> when hdmi isn't connected
[15:22] <yeboot> but when hdmi is connected it outputs on neither
[15:22] <yeboot> and I can't get anything running to hdmi from ssh
[15:22] <ParkerR> yeboot, Try sudo amixer cset numid=3 1
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[15:22] <ParkerR> Should set the ananlog audio output
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[15:22] <yeboot> what am I supposed to see afterwards
[15:23] <ParkerR> *analog
[15:23] <yeboot> anaolg is on
[15:23] <yeboot> now
[15:23] <yeboot> is there no hdmi audio?
[15:23] <ParkerR> Try a 2 instead of 1
[15:23] <yeboot> but on top of this, hdmi video isn't working
[15:23] <yeboot> ParkerR no sound
[15:24] <ParkerR> yeboot, Hmm. Pastebin your /boot/config.txt
[15:24] <yeboot> sorry, hdmi video is working on boot, but I'm connected through ssh trying to put video to the framebuffer
[15:24] <yeboot> what's the command to pastebin from console
[15:24] <yeboot> ah sprunge
[15:24] <ParkerR> Hmm can you not just copy out of SSH?
[15:24] <ParkerR> That works too
[15:25] <yeboot> http://sprunge.us/GfGZ
[15:25] <yeboot> this will sound dumb
[15:25] <yeboot> but I'm sshing on a different computer because I was playing a game while doing some work on the RP
[15:25] <yeboot> RPi*
[15:25] <ParkerR> Ok so uncomment #hdmi_drive=2
[15:25] <yeboot> k
[15:26] <ParkerR> Then try rebooting
[15:26] <yeboot> anyoene else have issues with entropy running out on occasion
[15:26] <yeboot> I installed rngd and it's running but I still run out every so often
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[15:27] <ParkerR> Never had that error
[15:27] <ParkerR> Bad SD card maybe?
[15:28] <yeboot> have you been running headless
[15:28] <yeboot> with ssh
[15:28] <ParkerR> That and with an HDMI monitor
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[15:28] <yeboot> I just bought the sd card and it seems to have been fine otherwise
[15:28] <yeboot> so I don't believe so
[15:28] <_ember> turned out, that SD card was ok - I tried to access /sys/bus/w1/devices/*/w1_slave
[15:29] <_ember> btw, somone know how to acces that file from QT app? it's BS1820
[15:29] <_ember> *DS1820
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[15:30] <yeboot> ParkerR audio still isn't working
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[15:31] <ParkerR> yeboot, Try sudo amixer cset numid=3 0
[15:31] <yeboot> nope
[15:31] <ParkerR> Is it possible the HDMI cable is low quality?
[15:32] <yeboot> could be
[15:32] <yeboot> it's working fine for video
[15:32] <ParkerR> yeboot, Better question, has HDMI audio worked on thsi install beeofr?
[15:32] <yeboot> I'll test it later today on a gaming system
[15:32] <ParkerR> *this install before
[15:32] <yeboot> No, it has never worked on this install ever before
[15:33] <ParkerR> yeboot, Oooohh do sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835
[15:33] <ParkerR> Them sudo alsactl init
[15:33] <ParkerR> Then try audio
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[15:35] <yeboot> I already have snd_bcm2835 in lsmod
[15:35] <ParkerR> Well just try both
[15:35] <ParkerR> To make sure it is loaded and alsa in initialized
[15:36] <yeboot> no audio
[15:36] <yeboot> I just bought the cable so it'll suck if it's crap
[15:38] <yeboot> does raspberry pi use an alternative to alsa-store and alsa-restore
[15:40] <ParkerR> Never heard of either
[15:40] <yeboot> they're systemd alternatives for the alsa initscript
[15:41] <ParkerR> Oh well debian hasnt adopted systemd yet
[15:41] <yeboot> I'm asking the archlinux guys what the deal is with them
[15:41] <yeboot> yeah that's going to be a huge jump
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[15:41] <yeboot> arch left me behind when they first did it, one of my computers running arch didn't switch to systemd until 6 months after they dropped support
[15:41] <yeboot> all kinds of weird stuff was going on
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[15:42] <yeboot> but that's tangential
[15:42] <yeboot> alsa has been giving me a bunch of errors/warnings even when it does run
[15:43] <yeboot> maybe I've messed something up somewhere anyway
[15:44] <yeboot> OH MY GOD
[15:44] <yeboot> libbcm2835 is not installed.
[15:44] <yeboot> probably a significant player
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[15:46] <yeboot> I still can't get libbcm_host.so
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[15:50] <Qasaur> Hey guys
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[15:51] <yeboot> hi
[15:51] <Qasaur> I'm wondering
[15:51] <Qasaur> is it worth to buy the RPI?
[15:52] <Qasaur> and if I want to buy it, where should I buy it?
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[15:52] <Qasaur> I live in Sweden
[15:52] <PhotoJim> worthwhile, hard to say... depends what you expect from it
[15:53] <PhotoJim> as for where, I live in Canada so my preferred vendor wouldn't make sense for you :)
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[15:53] <Qasaur> PhotoJim, I always thought it is like an Arduino that runs on Linux
[15:53] <Qasaur> and with HDMI outputs and such
[15:53] <PhotoJim> well, it's more than an Arduino.
[15:53] <mgottschlag> and less, doesn't have ADCs :)
[15:54] <PhotoJim> agreed, if it's an Arduino you want, it's an Arduino you want.
[15:54] <PhotoJim> but the Pi can do a lot of stuff an Arduino has no hope of doing.
[15:54] <yeboot> in fact if you get the gertboard it comes with an arduino
[15:54] <yeboot> well an AVR chip
[15:55] <Qasaur> mgottschlag, ADC?
[15:55] <Qasaur> PhonicUK, yeah
[15:55] <mgottschlag> analog digital converter
[15:55] <Qasaur> well if I wanted an ADC wouldn't I just hook up an Arduino to a RPI?
[15:55] <Qasaur> or make the RPI interface with the Arduino
[15:55] <mgottschlag> works.
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[15:57] <mgottschlag> actually, that's exactly what the gertboard does
[15:58] <mgottschlag> also, 3.3V atmega chips are easier to interface with the pi than 5V parts afaik
[15:58] <Qasaur> mgottschlag, is the gertboard 3.3V?
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[15:59] <mgottschlag> I think it is 5V and uses level converters
[15:59] <yeboot> Arduino is pretty terrible for digital control systems
[15:59] <yeboot> it'd be good as a sensor or to manage sensors
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[16:00] <mgottschlag> ah, okay, the gertboard is 3.3V
[16:00] <yeboot> but having to use a mux for digital i/o gets boring
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[16:26] <Ardivaba> Hello.
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[16:26] <Ardivaba> Can anyone help me for a second? I'm trying to add node into my global $path but can't figure it out.
[16:29] <yeboot> any video players to send data to hdmi
[16:29] <yeboot> from a command given in ssh
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[16:32] <Amadiro> Ardivaba, did you compile it yourself
[16:32] <Ardivaba> Nope.
[16:32] <Ardivaba> That is the issue.
[16:32] <Amadiro> how did you install it
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[16:33] <Ardivaba> Downloaded compiled binary.
[16:33] <Ardivaba> So no...installation per se.
[16:33] <Amadiro> Ardivaba, what distribution do you run on your pi
[16:33] <Ardivaba> Debian
[16:33] <Ardivaba> The default one.
[16:33] <Amadiro> Ardivaba, just type "sudo apt-get install nodejs"
[16:34] <Amadiro> and you're done
[16:34] <Ardivaba> Hah.
[16:34] <Ardivaba> I feel dumb now.
[16:34] <Ardivaba> Thank you :).
[16:34] <Amadiro> YW
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[16:35] <Amadiro> Ardivaba, note that pre-compiled binaries in general will not work on the rpi, because those are usually for x86 or x86-64
[16:35] <Amadiro> but the rpi is ARM
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[16:36] <Amadiro> So in general, to install any piece of software on the rpi, you have to either use apt-get or compile it yourself
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[16:36] <Ardivaba> I downloaded nodejs that was compiled for arm pi.
[16:36] <Ardivaba> So it worked.
[16:36] <Amadiro> okay
[16:36] * linuxthefish` is now known as linuxthefish
[16:36] <Ardivaba> Now i just have to figure out how to read usb data from my netduino and i'll be good to go with my home automation project.
[16:37] <Amadiro> Ardivaba, if you still feel that you need a newer version than debians repositories provide you with, it is customary to put software into /opt/. So you could put your pre-compiled binary into /opt/nodejs or so, and then add /opt/nodejs/bin or so to your PATH
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[16:37] <Amadiro> but there are many disadvantages in doing that, so you want to avoid it if you at all can
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[16:38] <Ardivaba> Thanks for that. I am really new to that whole Linux scene and have lots of catching up to do.
[16:38] <Amadiro> the main advantage is that the nodejs installed through debians repositories is automatically updated for you whenever you run a system update, to get speed benefits and patch security holes
[16:39] <Amadiro> your own installation you have to take care of yourself, or it will rot eventually
[16:39] <conra> hi, i have problem with vlc under raspbian @cubieboard, whats wrong, whats plugin is missing?: $ vlc
[16:39] <conra> VLC media player 2.0.3 Twoflower (revision 2.0.2-93-g77aa89e)
[16:39] <conra> [0x787908] main libvlc error: No plugins found! Check your VLC installation.
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[16:39] <Ardivaba> Amadiro, apt-get installed node but it's still telling me that the command is not found. Hmm.
[16:39] <Amadiro> conra, what do you want to use VLC for?
[16:39] <Amadiro> Ardivaba, it's "nodejs"
[16:40] <Ardivaba> Ooh.
[16:40] <Amadiro> apt-get install nodejs
[16:40] <conra> Amadiro: playing hd videos
[16:40] <Ardivaba> And how do i access npm?
[16:40] <Amadiro> Ardivaba, for reading usb data, you can use libusb(x)
[16:40] <Amadiro> what is npm?
[16:40] <Ardivaba> Node modules repository.
[16:40] <Ardivaba> npm install libusb
[16:40] <Amadiro> conra, I don't know what kind of CPU the cubieboard has exactly, but you probably can't do that with vlc.
[16:41] <Amadiro> libusb is a C library, not a nodejs library
[16:41] <Ardivaba> Oh.
[16:41] <Ardivaba> Well it was just an example.
[16:41] <conra> Amadiro: under other linux distro i can run hd videos in vlc...
[16:41] <Amadiro> there may be bindings for it, but you probably have to write them yourself
[16:41] <Amadiro> conra, vlc likely has no backend that is able to talk to the GPU on your cubieboard
[16:41] <conra> Linux raspberrypi 3.4.24-a10-aufs+ #1 PREEMPT Sun Jan 27 00:28:21 CET 2013 armv7l
[16:42] <Amadiro> you need to use a player (like omxplayer) that is able to talk to your GPU
[16:42] <conra> Amadiro: but xserver is running
[16:42] <Amadiro> conra, doesn't matter, the GPU just ignores the xserver and blits the hardware-decoded video images on top of it
[16:42] <Amadiro> you don't even need to have the xserver running
[16:42] <conra> ok, i will try with omxplayer
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[16:44] <conra> * failed to open vchiq instance
[16:44] <conra> ioctl FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO: Invalid argument
[16:44] <Amadiro> conra, your omxplayer is compiled against broadcoms (vchiq) libraries
[16:44] <Amadiro> it only works on the raspberry pi
[16:44] <conra> wrrr :)
[16:45] <Amadiro> really, why did you install raspbian on your cubieboard in the first place
[16:45] <Amadiro> that makes absolutely no sense at all
[16:45] <Amadiro> and why do you ask about it in #raspberrypi, that makes no sense either, really
[16:45] <conra> Amadiro: its configured for cubieboard
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[16:45] <Amadiro> its clearly not
[16:45] <conra> Amadiro: because its os from rpi
[16:45] <Amadiro> yeah, its not compiled against the correct libraries to work on the cubieboard
[16:46] <Amadiro> get some OS that is made for the cubieboard
[16:46] <conra> i was...
[16:46] <Amadiro> you ain't gonna get far like this
[16:46] <conra> its sux
[16:47] <pksato> conra: you need openmax libs for Mali400
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[16:47] <pksato> Or, correct OS to Cubieboard
[16:49] <Amadiro> http://cubieboard.org/2012/11/15/install-ubuntu-with-berryboot/ you could try this
[16:49] <conra> pksato: under correct os hd videos is playing to slow
[16:49] <conra> without full speed frames
[16:49] <Amadiro> because you're not using the hardware-acceleration
[16:49] <pksato> conra: these OS have openmax liv?
[16:49] <conra> Amadiro: i telling about this
[16:49] <pksato> lib?
[16:49] <conra> maybe :)
[16:50] <conra> cedar?
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[16:50] <pksato> I dont know actual support leveto to Mali400
[16:50] <pksato> But, its work on androind.
[16:50] <Amadiro> there is the LIMA driver that supports mali400
[16:50] <conra> Amadiro: like you see, on second position is raspbian...
[16:50] <conra> pksato: android was lags too
[16:50] <conra> with hd videos
[16:51] <Amadiro> just get an RPi and wait until the ecosystem around the cubieboard has stabilized and produced an easy-to-use distribution for you
[16:51] <Amadiro> its clearly all still very alpha-stage
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[16:51] <Amadiro> and if you don't know how to build and install your own drivers, you probably won't have a lot of fun with it
[16:52] <Amadiro> alternatively, send me one for free, and I'll figure it out for you
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[16:55] <conra> Amadiro: lol, rpi?
[16:55] <conra> there is sata? none...
[16:55] <Amadiro> raspberry pi
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[16:55] <conra> there is vga? i dont think so
[16:55] <conra> ram? 512 vs 1024
[16:55] <Amadiro> doesn't help you a lot if you can't get it to work, now does it :)
[16:55] <conra> and... i need gpio
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[17:03] <gordonDrogon> afternoon.
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[17:12] <roasted> :)
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[17:14] <atouk> ola, sir gordon
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[17:15] <gordonDrogon> looks like a slow day, but we got new chickens.
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[17:17] <pelleke> I've got a question. I don't know whether I'm on the right channel right now, but please hear me out and tell me where to go otherwise. :)
[17:17] <pelleke> My Raspi won't boot up any more. Coloured splash screen that just stays on. I read on the net that it should be caused by a broken kernel.img.
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[17:18] <pelleke> Since I'm using arch, I am looking for the download of the linux-raspberrypi package.
[17:18] <pelleke> That lead me to this page: http://www.archarm.org/?page=PackageDetails&repo=core&arch=armv6h&pkgname=linux-raspberrypi
[17:18] <pelleke> I wanted to download the package, to manually install the files on my SD card.
[17:18] <pelleke> But I found out the download link is broken.
[17:18] <pelleke> How should I proceed?
[17:19] <axion> pelleke: it can be caused by a multitude of things. the color splash is common with power problems or agressive overclocking
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> personally, I'd grab a copy of Raspbian and try that - if nothing else, that will eliminate (or prove!) hardware issues.
[17:20] <axion> first thing i would do is remove config.txt and try without. if that fails reflash a card
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[17:21] <pelleke> Fine.
[17:21] <pelleke> Where is config.txt?
[17:21] <pelleke> Never mind, found it.
[17:21] <pelleke> (My bad for actually asking.)
[17:21] <markedathome> if anyone is interested, I got a massive 200KB/s write. 2MB/S read on zfs-fuse with samba, using a win7 client
[17:21] <DeliriumTremens> JEEZ WTG
[17:21] <axion> remove (backup) and reboot
[17:22] <DeliriumTremens> finally got BBS running
[17:22] <DDave> DeliriumTremens, like, a "real" bbs from the 90ies etc?
[17:23] <DeliriumTremens> yes
[17:23] <DDave> w00t, Ive been dying to "try one" ()
[17:23] <pelleke> Removed config.txt, didn't fix a thing. I did overclock to max 500-1000 ondemand
[17:23] <DDave> (Too young to have used them)
[17:23] <DeliriumTremens> its pretty simple
[17:23] <DeliriumTremens> i dont have door games running right now because that gets a little more...involved
[17:23] <DDave> DeliriumTremens, could you point me out to some keywords?
[17:23] <DeliriumTremens> i'm using Synchronet
[17:24] <Amadiro> pelleke, other people have mentioned earlier today that archlinux is broken, so you're likely looking at a distro bug there
[17:24] <DDave> DeliriumTremens, thanks!
[17:24] <axion> pelleke: now try a different power source. perhaps the usb port of your tv or computer
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[17:25] <atouk> unplug anything in usb, too
[17:25] <axion> then try reflashing arch linux, verifying its checksum first
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[17:26] <pelleke> Well, I can unplug a lot of things, but my external HDD. Got root on that.
[17:26] <DDave> What is generally faster on the rpi, raspbian or arch? (Please dont bash my head in for asking)
[17:26] <pelleke> But I'll try and see whether I got kernel messages (or anything else than what I get now)
[17:26] <atouk> if you reflash, root will be on the sd
[17:26] <Amadiro> DDave, raspbian used to be faster, but now they are both hardfloat.
[17:26] <pelleke> Yes, I know.
[17:26] <axion> arch has a much fater package manager with faster dynamic linking
[17:26] <atouk> you can change it back to the hd later
[17:26] <Amadiro> DDave, so there isn't really any difference.
[17:27] <DDave> Amadiro, thank you
[17:27] <Amadiro> pacman is indeed somewhat faster than apt-get, though that isn't usually a huge deal, since you don't install packages all the time
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[17:27] <Amadiro> DDave, but more importantly, archlinux is a distribution you should use if you always want to have the newest software, if you already know your way around GNU/linux, and you don't mind things breaking.
[17:28] <Amadiro> debian does more handholding in many regards.
[17:28] <DDave> Because im dying to try systemd :)
[17:28] <axion> also debian packages has compile-time support for too much stuff increasing binary and library sizes and execution speeds
[17:29] <Amadiro> DDave, yeah, then you probably want to go for arch
[17:29] <DDave> Thanks for the explicit replies guys :)
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[17:34] <axion> s/handhold/spoonfeed/
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[17:35] <Torikun> Is it possible to support booting root partition under LVM? (Arch)
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[17:44] <pelleke> @axion I fixed my issue.
[17:44] <axion> cool
[17:44] <pelleke> Turned out my kernel.img was dirty after all.
[17:45] <Torikun> what distro
[17:45] <pelleke> I downloaded the latest arch image, extracted the kernel.img
[17:45] <axion> arch
[17:45] <pelleke> arch
[17:45] <Torikun> I have that issue a lot
[17:45] <Torikun> some times updates don't go smooth
[17:45] <axion> i never got it, though i do not run off of unreliable sd
[17:45] <pelleke> I looked at the dates (which were 16 jan 2013 and 13 jan 2013)
[17:45] <pelleke> I thought: those must be the same version,
[17:45] <pelleke> (Although they may not have been)
[17:45] <pelleke> I did a MD5 hash check, and got a mismatch.
[17:45] <pelleke> Copied the one from the image over to my SD, and BAM!
[17:46] <pelleke> Booted like a charm. :)
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[17:49] <Amadiro> pelleke, check if running "sudo pacman -Suy" breaks it again
[17:49] <pelleke> I don't think it will even update it,
[17:49] <pelleke> It still thinks it's up to dat.e
[17:49] <pelleke> I'm reading about how to force upgrade a package.
[17:49] <Amadiro> (you can back up the kernel.img first or just press "no" when it asks you)
[17:50] <Torikun> axion: I am working on putting running my arch on LVM
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[17:50] <Torikun> will make life better
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[17:50] <Torikun> snapshots and backups and mirroring
[17:50] <pelleke> @Amadiro I'll try, but I don't think it will even recognise the change,
[17:50] <axion> not a fan of lvm
[17:50] <pisi> I just got a raspberry but unfortunately currently only have a 32MB SD card around.
[17:50] <Torikun> its awesome!
[17:50] <axion> another point of failure in my experiences
[17:50] <pelleke> I need to use some flag in pacman that will reinstall the package,
[17:50] <Torikun> lol
[17:50] <pisi> Is there anything I can put onto it that would show "something" on the screen ?
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[17:50] <Amadiro> pelleke, ah, I thought you wiped the whole system.
[17:50] <pelleke> even though it's up to date (according to its metadata)
[17:50] <pelleke> No,
[17:50] <axion> its another layer on topof raw data
[17:50] <pelleke> I just mounted the SD on my workstation,
[17:51] <ParkerR> mrtn, Maybe berryboot
[17:51] <pelleke> And replaced the kernel file.
[17:51] <ParkerR> Then install stuff to a flash drive
[17:51] <Amadiro> pelleke, just request the package and pacman will re-install it
[17:51] <pelleke> Yet I want to make sure I'm up to date,
[17:51] <Amadiro> clean your package cache first, to force it to re-download it
[17:51] <pelleke> Didn't know that. Will try right now.
[17:51] <ParkerR> apt-get clean
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[17:51] <Amadiro> I don't know what the package is called exactly, probably linux-rpi or something
[17:51] <Scriven> mrtn, what's wrong with using a 32GB?
[17:51] <Scriven> Think that's what I'm using, seems ok..?
[17:51] <ParkerR> Scriven, mb
[17:52] <ParkerR> "only have a 32MB SD card around"
[17:52] <Scriven> LOL.... sorry!
[17:52] <Scriven> too early in the morning.
[17:53] <Scriven> Couldn't the /boot fit on that to chainload tho? haven't checked the size of the files.
[17:54] <Amadiro> /boot/ is like 20MiB
[17:54] <Amadiro> but you could cut it down a bit
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[17:55] <pelleke> @Amadiro I figured you're right. It reinstalled the package, this time its md5sum is exactly as the shipped one,
[17:55] <Amadiro> pelleke, as the bad one, you mean?
[17:55] <pelleke> The good one.
[17:55] <pelleke> The previous kernel went bad,
[17:56] <pelleke> Maybe power outage while upgrading or so,
[17:56] <pelleke> Or simply a failure of my SD.
[17:56] <axion> latter is quite common
[17:56] <Amadiro> pelleke, or maybe they've uploaded a fix. check when the package was submitted
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[17:56] <axion> most Pi issues go away with a dedicated root drive
[17:56] <pelleke> Hmm, that may well be the case. :)
[17:56] <mrtn> sigh.. and the 32MB one seems to be broken...
[17:56] <pelleke> OR reinstalling linux-raspberrypi didn't touch kernel.img,
[17:56] <pelleke> But I doubt that.
[17:57] <axion> including being able to overvolt higher without datacorruption
[17:57] <pelleke> Anyway, I rebooted after running sudo pacman -S linux-raspberrypi
[17:57] <Amadiro> pelleke, check the atime on the filesystem to find that out
[17:57] <pelleke> Good point.
[17:57] <pelleke> No!
[17:57] <pelleke> It's FAT16 :P
[17:57] <Amadiro> well, if you've already rebooted...
[17:58] <pelleke> Weird.
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[17:58] <pelleke> No, it may have been untouched.
[17:58] <pelleke> It says: 16 january 19:11
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[17:58] <pelleke> I'll rename it and run the install command again. See what happens.
[17:59] <Amadiro> sounds good
[17:59] <pelleke> It may be the time the file was distributed, don't know how pacman handles times.
[17:59] <Amadiro> pelleke, what query did you run
[17:59] <Amadiro> to get that time, I mean
[18:00] <pelleke> I just got it from ls -l. That shouldn't matter, cause AFAIK FAT16 doesn't have separate atime and mtimes.
[18:00] <axion> i would mount with noatime anyway of sd media
[18:00] <axion> of = on
[18:00] <pelleke> Depends on fs.
[18:01] <pelleke> Let's see, /boot is mounted rw,relattime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro.
[18:02] <pelleke> no specific mention of noatime, but that may well be implicit given the fact that the file system is FAT16.
[18:02] <Amadiro> pelleke, http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=4901 another person having the issue. Pretty sure they just pushed a bad kernel image to the repo
[18:02] <pelleke> Anyway,
[18:02] <pelleke> I got proof.
[18:02] <pelleke> I renamed kernel.img,
[18:02] <pelleke> Re-ran pacman -s linux-raspberrypi
[18:02] <pelleke> And got a new kernel.img with the exact same hash.
[18:02] <pelleke> :)
[18:03] <pelleke> Issue fixed.
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[18:05] <Amadiro> pelleke, which kernel version is that?
[18:05] <Amadiro> or rather, what's the exact version of the package
[18:06] <Amadiro> also, what mirror is in your /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist?
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[18:27] <home> so latency
[18:27] <home> yay
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[18:43] <lkeijser> nice, I got a 500G usb hd attached, filled with music and mpd running on the rpi. Tomorrow I'll go buy bluetooth speakers and a usb wifi adapter so I can get rid of all the cables.
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[18:44] <lkeijser> all nicely tucked away so my wife won't complain about the "geeky computer stuff that's lying around everywhere" :D
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[18:45] <pronto> http://i.imgur.com/haIGH7N.jpg ... [netgate]->seiral->M to M adapter->F-M null modem adapter->Seiral to USB ... all the adapters :D
[18:45] <lkeijser> haha
[18:45] <pronto> ...and to be relevent to this channel, on the right behind a bunch of things, you can see a raspberry pi
[18:46] <lkeijser> I should order another one and get a raspberry pie shaped case
[18:46] <home> i want a free rpi
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[18:47] <lkeijser> oooo lego cases
[18:48] <schnuws> how about a lego car case, with motors?
[18:48] <lkeijser> I have kids
[18:49] <lkeijser> it would be a waste of a perfectly good computer ;)
[18:49] <schnuws> hehe
[18:50] <lkeijser> googling for rpi .... some of the wooden ones look awesome
[18:51] <pronto> http://i.imgur.com/ZgUzfeU.jpg i just got a clear case,,, cheap
[18:51] <schnuws> whats the fun in that? =P
[18:52] <lkeijser> I got one from modmypi .. all white to match the external usb hd
[18:53] <FR^2> The main thing about all those cases is that they only enclose the raspi, and not even that completely (sd-card). And such a neat, wooden box doesn't look better when the many connectors are in use
[18:53] <J0k3r> is anyone else getting these from time to time ? http://pastie.org/private/rixiyywjjjrjfwv3fzgra
[18:53] <J0k3r> using archlinux-arm
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[18:55] <lkeijser> yeah it looks great until you start using it :)
[18:56] <Ardivaba> Any good Python users here?
[18:56] <Amadiro> define "good"
[18:56] <schnuws> user, yes. Programmer, no ;P
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[18:56] <pronto> i use python, but i'm not a good person
[18:57] <lkeijser> methinks #python has lots of good people
[18:57] <pronto> hahah
[18:57] <Amadiro> Yes, I too like to use python to plot my plan to enslave the world.
[18:57] <lkeijser> import antigravity
[18:57] <schnuws> Ardivaba: throw your question!
[18:57] <Ardivaba> How can i read /usr/ folder using fo.open
[18:57] <pronto> import automagic
[18:57] <pronto> do things!
[18:57] <Amadiro> Ardivaba, do you want to get a list of files in there?
[18:57] <Ardivaba> Actually i want to create file there.
[18:58] <Ardivaba> But i can't figure out how to write that path thingy.
[18:58] <schnuws> then just open a file in there ?
[18:58] <Amadiro> then just open the file and start writing to it
[18:58] <Ardivaba> open( "/usr/data.txt", "wb" ) tries to open: pythonscriptPath/usr/data
[18:58] <schnuws> fo.open("/usr/foo") ? just guessing on the syntax
[18:58] <lkeijser> file = '/usr/yourfile' ... f = file.open('w') ... f.write('python rules') ... f.close() something like that?
[18:58] <Amadiro> Ardivaba, really? That's peculiar
[18:59] <Ardivaba> Wait, no, im stupid.
[18:59] <Ardivaba> When i do: cd in linux.
[18:59] <Amadiro> Well, I didn't wanted to say it that rudely.
[18:59] <Ardivaba> What folder do i end up in?
[18:59] <Amadiro> your home folder
[18:59] <Ardivaba> So it's /home/?
[18:59] <Amadiro> its /home/yourusername/
[18:59] <Amadiro> usually, anyway
[18:59] <Ardivaba> /home/raspberrypi
[18:59] <Ardivaba> ?
[19:00] <Amadiro> type "whoami"
[19:00] <pronto> whoami
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[19:00] <Amadiro> or type "echo $HOME"
[19:00] <home> sigh
[19:00] <home> fml
[19:00] <Ardivaba> Thanks.
[19:00] <Amadiro> eyyup.
[19:01] <Ardivaba> Finally got it working, many thanks! :)
[19:01] <lkeijser> bbl
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[19:01] <Ardivaba> Now i has webserver that can control K8055 USB Experiment Board.
[19:02] <Amadiro> does it register as CDC serial device?
[19:02] <Ardivaba> You have to dumb down your question :).
[19:03] <Amadiro> paste the output of "lsusb -v"
[19:03] <Ardivaba> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 10cf:5500 Velleman Components, Inc. 8055 Experiment Interface Board (address=0)
[19:03] <Amadiro> well, to a pastebin, not the channel
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[19:04] <Ardivaba> Oh.
[19:05] <Ardivaba> http://pastebin.com/VQiWTbuV +1 For failed attempt to color stuff.
[19:05] <Ardivaba> Anyways gtg, thanks alot for your help Amadiro...i am absolute Linux noob.
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[19:05] <Amadiro> YW
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[19:06] <Amadiro> huh, looks like it registers as HID DC
[19:06] <Ardivaba> It's cool thing and doesn't cost you much.
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[19:07] <Amadiro> Well, you can basically do this with any microcontroller like an arduino or stellaris, though.
[19:07] <Amadiro> but you have to write your software yourself.
[19:07] <Ardivaba> Writing software isn't the issue.
[19:07] <Amadiro> well, and you have to write the firmware yourself too.
[19:07] <Ardivaba> But K8055 saves you lots of trouble...because you don't have to stick resistors everywhere.
[19:08] <Ardivaba> Why?
[19:08] <Ardivaba> Would i need to write my own firmware to communicate with Arduino?
[19:08] <ch4r0s> hi. got problem. tool works on rpi(rev2), but not on rpi(rev1). both got raspbian and the same config. tool source: http://pastebin.com/88cf0piV
[19:08] <ch4r0s> any ideas
[19:08] <Amadiro> Ardivaba, by firmware I mean the program running on the arduino/stellaris/etc
[19:08] <Ardivaba> Oh.
[19:08] <Amadiro> Since it isn't configured by default to take commands and act on them
[19:09] <Amadiro> but with the arduino ide or so, implementing that is really just a 10-minutes job.
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[19:09] <Ardivaba> I'm quite Keen with writing Netduino, Arduino, Unitronics and K8055 applications so that wouldn't be problem...im just extremely inexperienced with Linux.
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[19:10] <Amadiro> Ardivaba, basically the easiest way to establish communication between a linux machine and a microcontroller like the arduino is to have it act as a CDC, which means you get an "emulated" serial terminal
[19:10] <Amadiro> (also works on windows, but requires extra drivers)
[19:10] <Amadiro> on linux, a serial terminal is just like a file that you can write some data to, then it will appear on the arduino-side
[19:11] <Amadiro> and conversely, if the arduino writes something, you can just read from the file and you will get the data
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[19:11] <Amadiro> For anything more fancy (and more high-speed like USB bulk transfers) you need libusb on the linux side and LUFA on the arduino side, so a good deal more work
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[19:13] <pierut> amadiro is a leet linux hax0r
[19:13] <pierut> :D
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[19:30] <DeliriumTremens> compiling dosemu is not going well -.-
[19:30] <DeliriumTremens> no code16 functional gas
[19:31] <shiftplusone> First time I am hearing of it, but "DOSEMU, alternatively rendered dosemu, is a compatibility layer software package that enables MS-DOS systems, DOS clones such as FreeDOS, and DOS software to run under Linux on x86-based PCs"
[19:31] <shiftplusone> Wikipedia says it's x86 only
[19:32] <shiftplusone> and it uses virtualization, so if it's for pi, forget it.
[19:32] <home> I want nds emulator on rpi
[19:32] <home> is it psosible?
[19:33] <DeliriumTremens> boourns
[19:33] <DeliriumTremens> guess i'll keep trying dosbox
[19:33] <shiftplusone> heh
[19:34] <shiftplusone> home, I am not sure, but it looks like ds is unlikely... very unlikely
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[19:34] <shiftplusone> From the pandora boards "No, DS emulation isn't going to happen. If DS emulation used to be slow on my 2.2Ghz Athlon 64 3800+, it just won't happen on a 600Mhz ARM Cortex."
[19:36] <shiftplusone> Though I see there is at least one emulator for it running on pandora and it looks decent
[19:36] <shiftplusone> though pandora is a much faster device
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[19:40] <jbaanus> Hi there, I have a small issue with RTL8188CUS driver - it is reporting maximum transmit rate as 72 Mbit/s, but it should be 150 Mbit/s according to Wifi dongle (TEW-648UBM) specs. Is it a know issue?
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[19:40] <Amadiro> DeliriumTremens, many emulators like bochs have no problem to run MS-DOS or freedos
[19:40] <DeliriumTremens> Amadiro: thanks i'll check it out
[19:41] <mjr> indeed, if you want to run a spesific dos, not dosbox, bochs would be one way
[19:41] <shiftplusone> I'd still go with dosbox
[19:41] <mjr> not sure if qemu works well for x86 on arm, it would be faster but IIRC there were some problems
[19:41] <DeliriumTremens> i did see people having problems with qemu
[19:42] <DeliriumTremens> freedos is probably my aim, since most people end up using that for many door games
[19:42] <DeliriumTremens> on BBS's
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[19:42] <DeliriumTremens> a least *nix flavored bbs'
[19:42] <shiftplusone> home, http://boards.openpandora.org/index.php/topic/11333-drastic-nintendo-ds-emulator-teaser-video/ it's a different device, but their code can be stolen and ported over. So it might be possible, probably not full speed any time soon, but that thread might be worth looking into if you're interested in nds on pi.
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[19:44] <Amadiro> desume should already run on the pi, but performance will probably be really poor
[19:45] <Amadiro> Even with a 3GHz Athlon CPU I got pretty bad performance in places
[19:46] <Amadiro> noca$h is pretty much considered the definitive ds & gba emulator, but it's even more resource-hungry
[19:46] <Amadiro> but way less bugs
[19:47] <axion> afaik there is a desmume implementation for retroarch which has been ported for the pi, and can emulate most PSX games fine with a slight overclock, so NDS may be quite good
[19:47] <home> yeah
[19:47] <home> I used that
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[19:49] <Cyberworm> hi
[19:50] <pronto> hi
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[19:50] <Cyberworm> I have a belkin powered usb hub attached to my Pi, to which a usb powered extern drive (Western Digital My Passport) is attached
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[19:51] <Cyberworm> after a while I received a Buffer Input/Output error on my external drive
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[20:06] <pierut> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=lego&_sacat=0&_from=R40
[20:06] <pierut> :>
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[20:15] <KiltedPi^> pierut thats pretty cool
[20:15] <KiltedPi^> A kid could build a housing out of that
[20:15] <KiltedPi^> A few kids actually.
[20:15] <KiltedPi^> some of them are 500+ legos
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[20:16] <|Jeroen|> nah they tested that, you can't build a stable beam form lego
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> Mmmm Lego by the Kilo...
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> You can build a house out of Lego that you can sleep in.
[20:16] <KiltedPi^> beam form?
[20:16] <sadbox> |Jeroen|: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC1nTGje0pw
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> yes - James Mays!
[20:17] <sadbox> Behold the lego house!
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[20:17] <KiltedPi^> You can build a housing for a pi out of lego, course you can
[20:18] <|Jeroen|> sadbox, that the one i meant, they cheated and used wooden beams
[20:18] <|Jeroen|> ah a housing yes
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[20:18] <sadbox> |Jeroen|: Ah, damn, didn't know that
[20:18] <netw1z> shucks i think i crashed my pi - from a full disk
[20:19] <luxor> Hello, i have an issue about memory split, i'm using a 256MB raspberry version and i set gpu_mem=128 but free return 209Mb is available, how can i set up memory split ?
[20:19] <home> how did you get 209 free
[20:19] <home> wow
[20:19] <home> I really need the 512mb pi
[20:20] <linuxstb> luxor: Sounds like you either haven't created the config.txt file correctly (e.g. put it in the wrong place), or you're running an older firmware that doesn't recognise that option.
[20:20] <luxor> it's a fresh archlinux install
[20:20] <jacekowski> luxor:
[20:20] <jacekowski> gpu_mem_512=128
[20:21] <luxor> i tryed gpu_mem_512 and gpu_mem_256 same issue
[20:21] <KiltedPi^> what do you call the 'little arms' that you get (usually with a magnifying glass attached)- for things that require a delicate touch, like electronics or painting miniatures
[20:21] <piney0> KiltedPi^, helping hands
[20:21] <KiltedPi^> helping hands?
[20:21] <KiltedPi^> kk
[20:22] <luxor> linuxstb: it is in /boot/ same way i set the cec option to disable power on, this option work...
[20:22] <linuxstb> luxor: "fresh" doesn't imply you are running the latest versions of things. Do you see a file called "fixup.dat" in /boot/ ?
[20:22] <luxor> i runned pacman -Syyu and i see this file :)
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[20:23] <luxor> i don't see start_*.elf i only see start.elf and start_cd.elf
[20:23] <luxor> same for fixup
[20:23] <linuxstb> That sounds like the right firmware version then.
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[20:24] <pierut> i wonder what fdx refers to
[20:24] <linuxstb> So that just leaves something wrong with your config.txt "gpu_mem=128" is the right line to use though.
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[20:25] <luxor> linuxstb: http://pastie.org/6111482
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi^, third hand.
[20:25] <luxor> i tryed gpu_mem gpu_mem_256 gpu_mem_512 same result
[20:25] <pierut> apparently fdx is 'full duplex
[20:25] <pierut> '
[20:26] <pierut> =======* the more you know
[20:26] <linuxstb> luxor: Ah, you've enabled CMA - isn't that the dynamic memory split thing? So I guess gpu_mem is being ignored.
[20:26] <luxor> aha...
[20:26] <luxor> i'll try that
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[20:27] <luxor> correct
[20:27] <KiltedPi^> Full duplex? Neat. Didn't know that
[20:27] <luxor> CMA option disable split linuxstb
[20:28] <luxor> thanks a lot, i didn't know this option, fresh install is good but not always ^^
[20:28] <linuxstb> So archlinux is enabling CMA, or you added it?
[20:29] <KiltedPi^> Sometimes I wonder if IRC is simplex...
[20:29] * KiltedPi^ ponders
[20:29] <luxor> linuxstb: archlinux auto enable CMA...
[20:29] <home> KiLaHuRtZ: nah of course not
[20:29] <pierut> fun fact: irc has been around since before web browsing
[20:30] <home> irc is useless though :P
[20:30] <pierut> no u r!
[20:30] <pierut> :p
[20:31] <pierut> someone should make a bot on their raspberry pi that controls things via irc commands >:)
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[20:40] <Ardivaba> What is the easiest, most straight-forward FTP server i could install on PI?
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[20:41] <axion> most ftp clients support SFTP, which is runing by default on *bian or arch on the pi
[20:41] <schnuws> so, just use the openssh server
[20:41] <axion> yes
[20:42] <mjr> yeah I'd actually advise against using ftp these days unless your needs are very spesific
[20:42] <axion> it is also more secure and not clear text
[20:42] <axion> not to mention poking another hole in your firewall
[20:43] <mjr> mind you, with the pi, there might be more of a case for ftp (vs. sftp) precisely because ftp is unencrypted and therefore has much lower cpu overhead
[20:43] <axion> if speed is a factor, use NFS. it is much faster than raw FTP, or SMB
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[20:44] <|Jeroen|> not sure of that, i had better results with smb then nfs
[20:44] <axion> SMB has a much higher overhead than NFS
[20:44] <|Jeroen|> still its faster here
[20:45] <|Jeroen|> nfs seems to have a higher cpu load on the server also
[20:45] <axion> which protocol version did you try?
[20:45] <|Jeroen|> 4
[20:45] <axion> mount options? something sundsvery off
[20:45] <axion> sounds
[20:45] <|Jeroen|> dunno, nothing special i guess
[20:45] <cyclick2> axion, you probably hit the pi limits before you hit the ftp limits
[20:46] <axion> i cannot play some peak points of high VBR h264 over SMB
[20:46] <|Jeroen|> no probs here
[20:46] <wr> in case anyone is interested, i wrote a "berrystats" web app yesterday: https://github.com/willroberts/berrystats
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[20:47] <|Jeroen|> i did tweak my samba a few years back :-)
[20:47] <|Jeroen|> i could get about 80 Mbit with just a 100mbit network card
[20:48] <|Jeroen|> wel on a pc, not the pi
[20:48] <|Jeroen|> was a few years back
[20:50] <axion> just tested SMB vs NFS on my vanilla image of arch linux on the web site: ~4M/s for SMB. ~11M/s for NFS
[20:51] <|Jeroen|> try -> socket options = TCP_NODELAY IPTOS_LOWDELAY SO_RCVBUF=65536 SO_SNDBUF=65536
[20:51] <dRbiG> s5fs: http://logs.drbig.one.pl/articles/clockbox.html done, comments/questions etc. welcome
[20:51] <|Jeroen|> in smb.conf under global
[20:51] <|Jeroen|> how do u measure that?
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[20:52] <dRbiG> and if anyone is interested http://logs.drbig.one.pl/articles/clockbox.html - comments welcome
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[20:54] <illmatik> im having trouble getting XBMC to display on a certain TV. on my 40inch Seiki 1080P... i can see the raspberry pi logo on bootup... and then the XBMC background with the blue bubbles.... but when the menu is about to appear I lose picture. it is unique to this TV as it works fine on other TVs in my house... any ideas?
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[20:55] <aaa801> illmatik, you using the same power supply on the other tv2
[20:55] <aaa801> tvs
[20:55] <illmatik> yes
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[20:55] <aaa801> try hdmi_hotplug=1 in config
[20:56] <illmatik> did that as well as the boost command
[20:56] <aaa801> mhm
[20:56] <aaa801> dmesg it
[20:56] <illmatik> not familiar with dmesg... whats that?
[20:56] <aaa801> its a terminal command
[20:56] <steve_rox> interesting clock thing dRbiG
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[20:57] <illmatik> i see... can you elaborate on how i should use it?
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[20:59] <aaa801> ssh into your pi and run dmesg
[21:00] <illmatik> also i just noticed if I run a reboot from SSH I get picture back on the screen... so its something to do with XBMC
[21:00] <aaa801> mhm odd
[21:00] <illmatik> aaa801: I did. what am i looking for?
[21:00] <aaa801> just any errors
[21:00] <aaa801> pastebin the output
[21:00] <illmatik> sure one sec
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[21:01] <illmatik> http://pastebin.com/YB5iP3mJ
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[21:01] <dRbiG> steve_rox: thanks :) i'll have to check my ideas with some wm and workspaces, this could add a lot more options to it
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[21:07] <illmatik> sigh im stumped. what sucks is I dont much want to run the raspberry pi on this TV anyways... i just wanna get it set up and running well before I bring it into the living room
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[21:11] <Kasreyn> so I have a problem.. the RPi seems to enter sleep mode (only red no green/yellow LED on), is this normal? I use OpenELEC-RPi.arm-2.99.1..
[21:11] <aaa801> mhm odd
[21:11] <|Jeroen|> isn't that a cec option?
[21:12] <Kasreyn> ok maybe if i switched CEC off?
[21:12] <|Jeroen|> worth a try
[21:12] <Kasreyn> turned out my TV doesn't support it anyway
[21:12] <sraue> i have such rpi too... and i think at least here its a hardware problem, because its not the case on a different rpi
[21:12] <sraue> here the rpi does this after some minutes byself
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[21:12] <Kasreyn> sraue: i have 2 more i can try on..
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[21:13] <Kasreyn> it only seems to happen after i have powered down the receiver+TV
[21:13] <sraue> ok, here its after some minutes runtimes
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[21:13] <illmatik> aaa801: I was able to get picture by setting it to 24Hz. strange as my TV supports 120 but it is a cheapo. thanks for the help
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[21:15] <aaa801> wierd
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[21:16] <q2on> hi guys newbie here.. anyone using raspberry pi to build their own tablet? curious where to source parts like a display, etc?
[21:17] <|Jeroen|> never heard of that
[21:17] <q2on> ah okay
[21:17] <|Jeroen|> don't think its easy to add a touchscreen
[21:17] <q2on> howcome?
[21:17] <q2on> you'd need custom hardware I assume
[21:17] <|Jeroen|> well the pi only has hdmi
[21:18] <q2on> ah
[21:18] <|Jeroen|> lcd screens are lvdi or somthing
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[21:21] <designbybeck> Is it safe to say, maybe sort of? that any port on computer/tv that has a USB plug should power the Pi?
[21:21] <shiftplusone> not any, but probably most.
[21:22] <designbybeck> shiftplusone: this is the back of a LG 42" tv... it had a USB for jumpdrive photo viewing
[21:22] <designbybeck> it is working at the moment so that is good!
[21:23] <designbybeck> 2) Question: Is it ideal to use synergy to use a keyboard and mouse across the newtork on the Pi?
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[21:23] <shiftplusone> In my opinion, yes.
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[21:23] <designbybeck> ok.. (sorry I'm new at this)
[21:23] <shiftplusone> synergy is pretty good at what it does
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[21:23] <sadbox> One of my friends modded a touch screen on to an eeepc... you might be able to find something like that
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[21:23] <designbybeck> oh nice
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[21:24] <designbybeck> I"m making a slideshow type setup that can be plugged into any tv and runs at start up
[21:24] <sadbox> I'll shoot him an email, but I know that you used to be able to buy overlays for normal screens
[21:24] <|Jeroen|> still you can get a cheap tablet for 150$
[21:24] <sadbox> |Jeroen|: Cheaper, try sub-100
[21:24] <|Jeroen|> ow
[21:24] <|Jeroen|> haven't looked in a while
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[21:25] <designbybeck> I modified this HTML slideshow: http://www.buildinternet.com/project/supersized/
[21:25] <designbybeck> In hopes that I can just launch firefox --fullscreen on start up and it pulls the correct .html file to run
[21:25] <sadbox> The allwinner tablets are hella cheap, but they lack the fun factor of building it yourself
[21:25] <sadbox> =)
[21:25] <sadbox> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=allwinner+tablet
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[21:26] <q2on> yeah I have an iPad and all that, I just want to build something for fun
[21:26] <q2on> thanks though
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[21:27] <|Jeroen|> mhzz are these allwinner tablets open?
[21:27] <DeliriumTremens> grrr dosbox yuno
[21:27] <shiftplusone> DeliriumTremens, what's the problem?
[21:27] <DeliriumTremens> it half launches then freezes
[21:28] <DeliriumTremens> went through various threads in the forum
[21:28] <sadbox> |Jeroen|: I doubt it.
[21:28] <shiftplusone> I'd build from source and gdb through it.
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[21:28] <DeliriumTremens> good idea
[21:28] <|Jeroen|> i read somthing on wiki about linux and freebsd support
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[21:29] <|Jeroen|> ah allwinner is the cpu brand
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[21:38] <Macer> omg this nokia e7 is awesome
[21:38] <Macer> how did symbian fail? :)
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[21:42] <|Jeroen|> i guess android was better, and free
[21:43] <Macer> i thought symbian was made free at one point heh
[21:43] <Macer> i wouldn't call android better.. especially when it first came out
[21:43] <Macer> it was awful :)
[21:43] <Macer> it has gotten a bit better.. .but it's still just an ad driven os
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[21:44] * shiftplusone hasn't seen a single ad in android
[21:44] <shiftplusone> What are you talking about>
[21:45] <Macer> heh
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[21:45] <Macer> maybe if you use some type of hackery to get rid of all of them :) but eventually you find one
[21:45] <Macer> not to mention the search engine itself
[21:46] <shiftplusone> So you're talking about stuff you find on the market for free, not android.
[21:46] <Macer> shiftplusone: well. the rest of android mines the data from you ;)
[21:46] <shiftplusone> No, no it does not.
[21:46] <Macer> but i suppose everything does nowadays
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[21:47] <shiftplusone> There are some things you need to opt out of, but the major stuff you need to opt in. That and I run cyanogenmod, so I don't know what the official roms do.
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[21:49] <Macer> We use the information we collect from all of our services to provide, maintain, protect and improve them, to develop new ones, and to protect Google and our users. We also use this information to offer you tailored content ??? like giving you more relevant search results and ads.
[21:49] <Macer> http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/
[21:49] <Macer> if you are using a google account you are being mined
[21:49] <Macer> plain and simple.. it's what they do
[21:50] <Macer> it is their main source of revenue
[21:50] <shiftplusone> Sure, that doesn't have much to do with android. You don't even have to have any google apps on it
[21:50] <sadbox> That is a general statement regarding google as a whole, which may or may not be relevant to any specific service
[21:50] <Macer> shiftplusone: sure. but using an android device without a google acct? :)
[21:50] <Macer> it's really no fun
[21:50] <Macer> finding and installing a bunch of apks heh
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[21:51] <sadbox> For the most part, you can opt out of any sort of data mining/tailored ads
[21:51] <shiftplusone> I don't know what it's like now, but there used to be a few alternative markets.
[21:51] <|Jeroen|> well isn't that ubuntu phone comming out soon?
[21:51] <Macer> sadbox: i don't know.. looking at how google was using cookies to get past safari's "opt out" option...
[21:51] <Macer> then just took the settlement because the money they made far outweighed the fine
[21:51] <shiftplusone> You can already install ubuntu (the proper phone version) on some phones, yeah.
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[21:52] <Macer> yeah. fully functional too
[21:52] <|Jeroen|> on witch phones?
[21:52] <Macer> i'm waiting for a full version of a device that runs it
[21:52] <Macer> |Jeroen|: stronger ones
[21:52] <Macer> i think they want you to use 4 core devices with 2GB of ram
[21:52] <Macer> seems a bit much if you ask me :)
[21:52] <Macer> you can put it on a nexus7
[21:52] <Macer> i miss maemo :(
[21:53] <|Jeroen|> they should force phone makers to open up there phones, so the user is free to choose the os
[21:53] <sadbox> Macer: Again, it depends on the service.
[21:53] <Macer> |Jeroen|: heh. they can't do that
[21:53] <Macer> manufacturers don't own the IP :)
[21:53] <|Jeroen|> its should be a law
[21:53] <Macer> that is a huge reason you will never see a FULLY open device
[21:53] <Macer> |Jeroen|: blame china :-P
[21:53] <|Jeroen|> like pc's are open
[21:53] <Macer> they'd replicate things to death if that was the case
[21:53] <shiftplusone> |Jeroen|, who's they? and why should it be a law?
[21:54] <|Jeroen|> the goverment
[21:54] <shiftplusone> which
[21:54] <sadbox> |Jeroen|: Phones generally have piles of patents under the hood
[21:54] <Macer> it would never happen heh
[21:54] <|Jeroen|> mine
[21:54] <Macer> |Jeroen|: if your govt did that
[21:54] <Macer> they jsut wouldn't sell phones there :)
[21:54] <Macer> the cost would be too high
[21:54] <Macer> like i said.. china would take them and replitcate them to death
[21:54] <shiftplusone> Well, when Belgium declares war on the rest of the world to open up phones... maybe.
[21:54] <Macer> you'd see like 8934723984732 knock offs within a month
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[21:54] <sadbox> I wonder if they have ubuntu running on the n4 yet
[21:55] <|Jeroen|> sombody has to start it
[21:55] <Macer> |Jeroen|: the only way that would happen is if someone put up the money to develop and engineer a whole device
[21:55] <Macer> that probably costs tens of millions all on its own
[21:55] <Macer> then they have to make a prototype... then manufacture it.. all with NEW hardware
[21:55] <shiftplusone> What do you mean by pcs being open though?
[21:56] <Macer> PCs aren't "open" heh
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[21:56] <Macer> no hardware is truly open unless a company that owns the IP allowed it to be
[21:56] <|Jeroen|> there sort of open
[21:56] <Macer> so are other devices
[21:56] <|Jeroen|> no but you can freely choose the os
[21:56] <|Jeroen|> that would be eneugh
[21:56] <Macer> |Jeroen|: try putting a different os on the x86 surface ;)
[21:56] <Macer> let me know how that works out
[21:57] <Macer> if they really wanted to close off an os from a pc they can do it
[21:57] <Macer> or at the very least make it a bit more difficult for joe user to swap over to a different os
[21:57] <Macer> but i don't consider being able to install a different os on something as it being "open"
[21:57] <shiftplusone> I think we can thank IBM for standardising pcs like that, correct me if I am wrong.
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[21:57] <Macer> open means that all the resources a developer would need to get any type of functionality from the device
[21:57] <|Jeroen|> no , but its a start
[21:58] <Macer> even the pi isn't really open
[21:58] <|Jeroen|> even the pi isn't open then
[21:58] <Macer> heh
[21:58] <|Jeroen|> lol
[21:58] <Macer> lmao
[21:58] <Macer> jinx ;)
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[21:58] <Macer> ah well.. i'm off to take a shower. just saying tho... symbian has these other phones beat as far as power use goes
[21:58] <Macer> android and ios = stupid fart noise making apps for the cattle to laugh about
[21:59] <sadbox> |Jeroen|: I think a good chunk of android's problems come from phones being somewhat-crazy still
[21:59] <Macer> symbian = awesome power user
[21:59] <Macer> heh
[21:59] <sadbox> Every phone requires shitloads of customization and bug fixes
[21:59] <Macer> you mean their android os being completely in the wind :)
[21:59] <sadbox> specific to it's model
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[21:59] <|Jeroen|> well i'm not a big fan of android either
[21:59] <Macer> they tried to fix that with honeycomb
[21:59] <shiftplusone> sadbox, careful there, you get kicked and possibly banned for swearing around these here parts.
[22:00] <sadbox> shiftplusone: Did not know that, thanks =)
[22:00] <Macer> shiftplusone: you can say it on tv :)
[22:00] <Macer> but the pi itself uses blobs i'm sure
[22:00] <shiftplusone> We're not broadcasting O_o
[22:00] <designbybeck> shiftplusone: what version of synergy did you use on the Pi?
[22:00] <shiftplusone> designbybeck, don't remember, it was a while back.
[22:00] <designbybeck> the one in the repos is 1.3 ish
[22:00] <designbybeck> are you using the commandline to run it?
[22:01] <designbybeck> i'm just trying to figure out how to install the 1.4 version
[22:01] <shiftplusone> again, it was a long time ago. I just know it works and it works well.
[22:01] <sadbox> I view the android world the same as if they were releasing a new pi each month. Every one with it's quirks and bugs. Until it settles down and becomes more standard (like PC's eventually did) you won't see a large amount of choice
[22:01] <designbybeck> ok, I'll keep hunting thank you shiftplusone
[22:01] <designbybeck> at least I know it is possible now
[22:01] <shiftplusone> good luck
[22:03] <jbaanus> Is it possible to disable NIC? Will it have *any* USB performance benefits?
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[22:03] <|Jeroen|> buy the A model
[22:04] <shiftplusone> You can disable it by desoldering it or getting a model
[22:04] <sadbox> On an unrelated note: I want a pi! waiting forever is lame
[22:04] <shiftplusone> and yeah, it should improve usb performance
[22:04] <shiftplusone> sadbox, who did you order from?
[22:04] <sadbox> shiftplusone: newark
[22:04] <|Jeroen|> can't u just build a kernel whout it
[22:05] <sadbox> it's been less than a week, I'm just impatient
[22:05] <jbaanus> shiftplusone: only desoldering is an option, no other way to do it? I remember a command to disable it.
[22:06] <shiftplusone> afaik, there is no way to disable it in software. You can just not connect or leave it unplugged, but it's still powered and using up a silly amount of power even when the pi is halted.
[22:08] <defiantredpill> just don't use it and you usb should be as fast as it can be
[22:08] <defiantredpill> usb 2.0 only gets like 20-30MB/s max
[22:08] <jbaanus> defiantredpill: I'm using USB for WiFi only, so I need all power and bandwidth I can get
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[22:09] <jbaanus> Getting Model A is probably the best option though
[22:10] <defiantredpill> like 1/3 the power
[22:11] <sadbox> How serious is the power draw for a raspi? Should I bother trying to find something bigger than a 2A charger
[22:11] <mjr> you should not
[22:11] <shiftplusone> not at all
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[22:11] <shiftplusone> Model B uses around 350mA (without any usb devices plugged in) and has a 750mA (correct me if I am wrong) polyfuse on the input.
[22:11] <sadbox> Cool beans, Everything i've read about people having problems seems to stem from power issues or something
[22:12] <jbaanus> Quality of the power adapter seems to matter a bit, but 1A should be generally safe bet
[22:12] <shiftplusone> power adapter and the cable, yeah.
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[22:13] <sadbox> jbaanus: I thought that only the original model B had the polyfuses
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[22:13] <shiftplusone> the original had the polyfuses on usb side as well
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[22:13] <shiftplusone> those were removed and now it's just the input polyfuse
[22:14] <defiantredpill> the voltage drops as u pull more current, I got the 5.5V (charger)
[22:15] <shiftplusone> not necessarily
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[22:16] <shiftplusone> The phone chargers can have bad regulation to begin with and you'll have losses in the wire. Some cables can drop as much as half a volt and that will vary with current draw.
[22:16] <defiantredpill> http://www.adafruit.com/products/501
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[22:16] <defiantredpill> its the 5.5Volt one
[22:17] <shiftplusone> * 5.25 ?
[22:17] <defiantredpill> opps
[22:17] <rikkib> That is border line... I use one rated at 1.2A
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[22:18] <defiantredpill> yes thats what i ment, sorry
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[22:23] <sadbox> One more question: does anyone here know about how much current a backlit keyboard would pull? (80+ individual LED's)
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[22:25] <Primer> omxplayer.bin: undefined symbol: vc_tv_get_display_state <-- solution apparently is to "update firmware", yet the thread I'm reading doesn't show how to do this, and searching for that yields a lot of apt-get update, but the pi is fully updated
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[22:26] <Primer> Thoughts?
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[22:27] <Primer> Basically omxplayer stopped working after the last update
[22:28] <steve_rox> sound on one my emulators died after one update
[22:28] <steve_rox> fun times
[22:28] <elek> Primer: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[22:29] <Primer> thank
[22:29] <Primer> s
[22:29] <rm> my R Pi works with a crappy 850 mA phone charger with a thing and long cable
[22:29] <rm> but
[22:30] <rm> with either a keyboard, or mouse
[22:30] <rm> not both :D
[22:30] <coffe> anyone here got WOL to work ?
[22:30] <steve_rox> wake on lan?
[22:30] <sadbox> coffe: World of Logs?
[22:30] <sadbox> I'm pretty sure the pi won't play WoW <3
[22:30] <coffe> steve_rox, yes.
[22:30] <steve_rox> westwood online?
[22:30] <steve_rox> i dont think wake on lan is supported?
[22:30] <steve_rox> not sure
[22:30] <coffe> sadbox, no Wake on Lan .
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[22:31] <coffe> steve_rox, what i can read.. is that controller should support it .
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[22:32] <mjr> controller supporting it doesn't necessarily mean it's wired on the board to do wol
[22:32] <elek> really? its a usb controller that runs the nic
[22:32] <steve_rox> im not sure on it
[22:32] <nid0> the ethernet controller supports wol but it basically has nothing to do
[22:32] <nid0> the pi is either on or off
[22:32] <nid0> you cant hibernate it
[22:32] <mjr> also, the pi can't really be turned off anyway without pulling the input
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[22:32] <steve_rox> was my thoughts
[22:32] <steve_rox> how to get pi into standby state in first place
[22:33] <coffe> when i select wrong option in my raspbmx .. it shuts down , dont know what state.. then i like to get it back .. without getting out of the sofa
[22:33] <steve_rox> sudo halt makes it kinda power down but its probly too brain dead at that stage to think to do anything
[22:33] <defiantredpill> it can be shutdown, thats like off with a pwr led. no WOL
[22:34] <nid0> yes, if you halt the pi its off
[22:34] <nid0> not sleeping
[22:34] <defiantredpill> pwr led is hard wired to th power sup.
[22:34] <nid0> turning it back on = disconnecting then reconnecting power
[22:34] <DeliriumTremens> hrm
[22:34] <defiantredpill> light stays on so it looks like its sleeping but its really dead, lol
[22:34] <mjr> yeah you can halt it but it isn't really off
[22:34] <axion> on closer inspection, it looks like smb is more performant than nfs. at least by default
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[22:35] <axion> http://codepad.org/hX48FbAh
[22:35] <defiantredpill> if u halt it its off just the led is on
[22:35] <mjr> IIRC there was a firmware update that allowed for a wakeup from halt via gpio
[22:35] <sadbox> coffe: There's a few remote controlled power sources out there
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[22:35] <coffe> sadbox, i guess i need to get something like that . or have 1 pi controlling power to the others.
[22:35] <sadbox> for use with christmas lights or fountains, that kidna stuff
[22:36] <shiftplusone> mjr, yeah, with the right firmware.
[22:36] <sadbox> coffe: I agree, more pi's!
[22:36] <DeliriumTremens> well GDB doesn't tell me a whole lot, freezes in the same spot without any extra output in gdb
[22:36] <sadbox> And then a pi to reset the second pi..
[22:36] <coffe> sadbox, could be a nice first hardware project to make
[22:36] <shiftplusone> DeliriumTremens, do you see the source and did you set some breakpoints?
[22:37] <pksato> use power control chip.
[22:37] <coffe> pksato, where that addressed to me ? got any link i can read from.
[22:38] <nid0> and right here we see why the pi should have poe
[22:38] <coffe> nid0, yes
[22:38] <coffe> poe + wol would be nice :)
[22:38] <home> I have no idea
[22:38] <home> what you guys are talking about
[22:38] <home> someone please enlighten me...thx
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[22:39] <coffe> home, how to start a shutdown pi
[22:39] <sadbox> coffe: I think all you'd have to do is somewhow get your second pi (or something else) to short the restart pins
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[22:40] <DeliriumTremens> shiftplusone: no breakpoints, i can see the source path
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[22:41] <home> how do you
[22:41] <elek> nice axion
[22:41] <shiftplusone> single step through and set some breakpoints until you find where it hangs. I am sure there's a better way to do it, but I am a gdb noob.
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[22:41] <home> that is a very legitimate question
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[22:41] <home> shiftplusone: I am a super gdb noob
[22:41] <home> ha
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[22:41] <DeliriumTremens> shiftplusone: you know more than me
[22:41] <DeliriumTremens> haha
[22:41] <DeliriumTremens> it halts at the very first thread
[22:41] <shiftplusone> well... good luck with it >.>
[22:42] <DeliriumTremens> trying to find an audio device, which it doesn't find
[22:42] <DeliriumTremens> which is okay
[22:42] <coffe> sadbox, will se what i can do of that.. would be nice .
[22:42] <DeliriumTremens> ^C stops that operation, then is stops again
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[22:44] <sadbox> coffe: http://www.boeeerb.co.uk/pitx-an-atx-style-solution-for-the-pi/
[22:45] <sadbox> might be able to adapt some of his work =)
[22:46] <coffe> sadbox, Tnx :)
[22:46] <KiltedPi> Whats the benefit of ATX psu?
[22:46] <KiltedPi> :?
[22:47] <elek> whats a good cli audio player?
[22:47] <sadbox> KiltedPi: Dunno, I just remembered reading it
[22:47] <lost_soul> mpg123 or mplayer
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[22:48] <hybr1d8> That circuit isn't really about the ATX PSU - rather it is about making the power go off fully when telling the pi to poweroff
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[22:48] <KiltedPi> Ah. fair enough
[22:48] <hybr1d8> (you may have noticed that when you run 'poweroff' the OS shuts down but the pi remains powered until you pull the microusb cable)
[22:48] <KiltedPi> Remote shutting down
[22:48] <KiltedPi> heh
[22:49] <KiltedPi> Put a remote switch in the power cable
[22:49] <KiltedPi> :)
[22:49] <axion> moc, mpd, cmus are some more good ones
[22:49] <axion> cli audio players
[22:51] <KiltedPi> What are some 'essentials' with regards to your Pi fun
[22:51] <KiltedPi> I keep needing to buy more bits for my interfacing experiments
[22:52] <KiltedPi> Like helping hands, solder, LED's Resistors etc-
[22:52] <KiltedPi> Multimeter
[22:52] <DeliriumTremens> i see people with dosbox working...i need to track them down and bug them
[22:52] <dwatkins> greetings fellow Pi fans
[22:52] <KiltedPi> how do
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[22:53] <dwatkins> I'm good thanks, KiltedPi - does anyone know of the intracacies of UTF-16 on Raspbian? I'm surprised to discover this is the default, whereas my linux boxen use UTF-8 as far as I can tell.
[22:53] <dwatkins> I trust eveyone here is doing well this fine and dark Sunday evening, also.
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[22:54] <DeliriumTremens> ugh
[22:54] <DeliriumTremens> i see what's happening here
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[22:54] <hybr1d8> it's monday morning here ;)
[22:54] <hybr1d8> what sort of problem is the locale setting causing for you
[22:54] <KiltedPi> dwatkins, should be a simple affair changing the default
[22:54] <KiltedPi> :)
[22:54] <mjr> at least the locale _cannot_ use utf-16
[22:54] <dwatkins> hybr1d8: you're living in the future from my perspective ;)
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[22:54] <KiltedPi> Didn't know that about pi tho!
[22:54] <hybr1d8> most apps should be able to handle whatever locale is being used
[22:54] <mjr> so I doubt your problem is what you think it is
[22:54] <dwatkins> KiltedPi: yeah, I'm just not sure where it's set, perhaps the default bashrc
[22:55] <dwatkins> I'm trying to print a degree symbol, which is different depending on the UTF'ness
[22:55] <hybr1d8> which distro are you runnning?
[22:55] <KiltedPi> yeah
[22:55] <KiltedPi> distro
[22:55] <KiltedPi> :)
[22:55] <KiltedPi> Check google for how to, on debian wheezy
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[22:55] <elek> just discovered despotify.. going to try that
[22:55] <dwatkins> hybr1d8: rasbian wheezy (latest, I imagine)
[22:55] <hybr1d8> raspbian has 'raspi-config' that can be used to configure a bunch of stuff - including locale
[22:55] <KiltedPi> (If you are using Raspbian)
[22:55] <KiltedPi> there ya go then!
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[22:55] <dwatkins> yeah, I thought I'd set UTF-8 en_GB in there
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[22:55] <KiltedPi> Where you from hybrd?
[22:56] <hybr1d8> .au
[22:56] <KiltedPi> You're in here most weekends I've noticed, along with gordo
[22:56] <pksato> dwatkins: dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
[22:56] <dwatkins> pksato: thanks, I'll have a look at that and raspi-config as hybr1d8 suggests :)
[22:56] <mjr> dwatkins, where exactly are you seeing utf-16 and how?
[22:56] <KiltedPi> yeah! Curious
[22:57] <KiltedPi> I'm in Scotland. (Is that obv?)
[22:57] <hybr1d8> http://elinux.org/RPi_raspi-config#change_locale_-_Set_locale
[22:57] <dwatkins> mjr: using a backtick from my .screenrc I run a command which shows the temperature
[22:57] <dwatkins> KiltedPi: heh, me too (Edinburgh)
[22:57] <KiltedPi> No kidding!
[22:57] <KiltedPi> You been warned about your swearing yet dwatkins? >_<
[22:57] <dwatkins> thanks hybr1d8 :)
[22:58] <KiltedPi> Glasgow here.
[22:58] <KiltedPi> well, near enough
[22:58] <dwatkins> KiltedPi: not today... I'm on a lot of IRC channels, so I tend to keep my language family-friendly all the time anyway as far as possible
[22:58] <coffe> NN from sweden . sadbox tnx for the page.. will do something of it.
[22:58] <home> everyone should swear
[22:58] <home> its good for yo health and mind
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[22:59] <Primer> Is there any program that can tell me if HDMI is connected? Not just physically, because it'll always be such, but if there's something on the other end
[22:59] <axion> cec-client?
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[22:59] <mjr> dwatkins, still doubting that there's actual utf-16 involed and you've just misinterpreted something
[23:00] <dwatkins> mjr: quite possibly, but the difference on the Pi is that I have to provide two bytes to produce a degrees symbol, whereas the same script on an i386 linux system only needs one byte
[23:00] <DeliriumTremens> shiftplusone: feel free to punch me in the grundle, i've been doing this all from ssh
[23:00] <DeliriumTremens> guess what happened when i connected HDMI and ran it locally...
[23:00] <Doxin> how hard would it be to get a RPi running from a PC PSU? I know they supply 5v, but afaik the RPi takes 4.5v. (before you start screaming about it being overpowered for just a pi, calm down, I have solenoids running on it too)
[23:00] <pksato> Primer: tvservice ?
[23:00] <dwatkins> i.e. the Pi requires '\xC2\xB0' whereas the i386 machine prints a degrees symbol just with '\xB0'
[23:00] <mjr> dwatkins, you should've told us that from the start
[23:00] <dwatkins> mjr: oh sorry, I was going down the wrong rabbit hole?
[23:01] <Primer> pksato: thanks
[23:01] <mjr> the degree symbol is not in ascii, and utf-8 does indeed require two octets for communicating it
[23:01] <axion> Doxin: the rpi takes usb spec'd power requirements. 5v +/- 5%. the atx molex has 5v so you are set. a bit overkill but set.
[23:01] <dwatkins> ah my bad, I thought UTF-16 was what needed two bytes
[23:02] <mjr> utf-16 uses 16-bit units, one or two of them per unicode point
[23:02] <pksato> utf-8 is multi-byte
[23:02] <Doxin> axion: how about power fluctuations though. PSUs are fairly well regulated, but will a power spike on the 12v line kill/reboot the pi?
[23:02] <mjr> utf-8 uses 8-bit units, one to was it four of them per unicode point, depending on the point
[23:02] <dwatkins> so I guess the question is now something I should take the #ubuntu-uk to find out why my i386 machines aren't using UTF-8 ;)
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[23:03] <dwatkins> or perhaps simply why they allow the single-byte spec
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[23:03] <dwatkins> well today I learned something, thanks folks :)
[23:03] <axion> Doxin: that is why usb is designed to work with 4.75-5.25v afaik. 12v will fry it. you must only use ~5v
[23:04] <Doxin> axion: obviously,
[23:04] <home> lol
[23:04] <Doxin> axion: but I'll have other magic connected to the 12v line, and I'm worried about spikes carrying over into the 5v line.
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[23:05] <shiftplusone> DeliriumTremens, lol I was afk, but that's brilliant >_<
[23:05] * dwatkins switches to using \xC2\xB0 everywhere and all the boxen are happy
[23:06] <dwatkins> thanks mjr :)
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[23:08] <Doxin> axion: and then there's the problem of getting the power into the pi, I'd rather not solder anything to the board directly.
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[23:10] <axion> i am not sure about 12v spikes. personally i power from a 12/9/5v portable psu, with a usb wire spliced to gpio pins
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[23:11] <hybr1d8> you can put power in via the header pins - but you should clean it since that input is un-protected
[23:11] <Doxin> right
[23:11] <axion> yep
[23:11] <Doxin> hrm
[23:12] <Doxin> axion: would wiring 5v into the mini-usb work?
[23:12] <mgottschlag> it is easy to filter out spikes btw, so that should not be your worry
[23:12] <axion> of course
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[23:12] <axion> that is recommended over header pins
[23:12] <Doxin> mgottschlag: define "easy"
[23:12] <Doxin> axion: just wondering, since the usb spec says 4.5v
[23:12] <axion> 4.5v?
[23:12] <Doxin> afaik
[23:13] <mgottschlag> Doxin: a zener diode construction to filter everything above 5.x volt out
[23:13] <hybr1d8> that is the minimum for the spec - but the pi will have problems if you just give it that
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[23:13] <axion> 5v +/- 5%
[23:13] <Doxin> mgottschlag: right
[23:13] <axion> 4.75-5.25 is within spec
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[23:13] <axion> though the pi can handle slightly more
[23:13] <Doxin> hmm
[23:13] <axion> i wouldnt recommend it
[23:13] <mgottschlag> (don't use 5V though, if you have a powerful supply which is at 5.05V, you'll fry the diode
[23:14] <Doxin> mgottschlag: right
[23:14] <Doxin> sounds like a problem solved then.
[23:14] <Doxin> mgottschlag: I doubt that ATX PSUs don't have those already though.
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[23:14] <Doxin> how bad would it be to wire the power the wrong way around?
[23:15] <mgottschlag> I'd expect that to fry the pi
[23:15] <mgottschlag> and if not, you'd at least fry the capacitor :)
[23:15] <dwatkins> I wondered about converting an old ATX PSU to supply 5V, 12V etc. for various things. I imagine I'd need to protect the outputs with fuses at very least, though.
[23:16] <lost_soul> cheaper in the long run to buy a multimeter so you know you wire it properly
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[23:16] <mgottschlag> actually, I still have an unused ATX supply which I want to convert to a power supply for experiments here
[23:16] <mgottschlag> maybe even with an adjustable voltage regulator :)
[23:17] <piney0> atx diy benchtop power supply is on my todo lidt too
[23:17] <dwatkins> I was thinking I'd just put USB sockets and molex connectors on mine with standard voltages as you'd find on/in a PC.
[23:17] <Doxin> mgottschlag: what voltages do you need besides 0v +5v (possibly -5v) +12v and -12v?
[23:17] <Doxin> mgottschlag: you can build quite some voltages from those
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[23:18] <mgottschlag> 1.2V, 1.8V, 3.3V... (although ATX includes 3.3V already) :D
[23:18] <mgottschlag> no idea
[23:18] <KiltedPi^> ROBOT's of course!
[23:18] <mgottschlag> haven't needed it yet, but I want to play with FPGAs some time this year, and those are usually lower voltage afaik
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[23:19] <dwatkins> Robot's what? ;)
[23:19] <KiltedPi^> voltages for robots
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[23:20] * dwatkins wonders if robots are ATX-compliant
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[23:21] <KiltedPi^> Oh! yeah. thats true
[23:21] <KiltedPi^> wouldn't be very mobile
[23:21] <KiltedPi^> heh
[23:21] <hybr1d8> long extension cord ;)
[23:21] <dwatkins> Perhaps Skynet runs off 110 Volts, and the UK will be safe from invasion.
[23:21] <KiltedPi^> My answer to most questions- "ROBOTS"
[23:21] <KiltedPi^> Skynet is real!
[23:22] <KiltedPi^> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet
[23:22] <dwatkins> KiltedPi^: it is, I worked at a place where they had a lab machine called skynet.
[23:22] <dwatkins> oh that, yeah - not as fun as a 512-core Altix ;)
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[23:38] <Fudge> anyone know if there is a raspbian channel?
[23:38] <shiftplusone> there is
[23:39] <beers> #raspbian seems to have a reasonable amount of people
[23:40] <dwatkins> it has one more now
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