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IRC Log for 2013-02-12

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[0:00] <nemo> Hopsy: I believe so, yes.
[0:01] <zleap> so how do i add that to the lubuntu login screen
[0:01] <Hopsy> nemo: I am trying to use it, but I fail :')
[0:01] <zleap> k
[0:01] <zleap> i have vnc working
[0:02] <Hopsy> nemo: I found here an other script: http://sirlagz.net/2012/08/11/how-to-use-the-raspberry-pi-as-a-wireless-access-pointrouter-part-3/
[0:02] <Hopsy> I think it will do the same trick?
[0:03] <nemo> huh. I'm surprised you had trouble. it was only like a half-dozen lines.
[0:03] <nemo> wonder if I stripped too much out
[0:04] <nemo> Hopsy: anyway. that walkthrough is basically the same thing
[0:04] <nemo> Hopsy: soo. go to it?
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[0:04] <Hopsy> I skipped only the dhcp thing
[0:04] <nemo> Hopsy: as noted, linux advanced routing is probably an option too, but masquerading offers more control.
[0:05] <Hopsy> I am not sure where to change the option
[0:05] <nemo> or, you know, looking into one of the various GUIs/firewall wrapper tools I linked you to
[0:05] <Hopsy> where do I find dnsmasq.conf
[0:06] <Hopsy> yeah, but I want to learn more about this
[0:07] <pksato> Hopsy: what you need with masquarade?
[0:08] <Hopsy> yeah
[0:08] <pksato> Share a connection?
[0:08] <nemo> Hopsy: I'm not too clear why you need dnsmasq
[0:08] <nemo> Hopsy: the iptables script is the main part
[0:08] <DeliriumTremens> daingert
[0:08] <DeliriumTremens> my screen is pink
[0:08] <DeliriumTremens> no es bueno in la burrito
[0:09] <Hopsy> pksato: I am connected to a wifi AP (with my pi) and want to route the connection to my pc through lan
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[0:10] <Hopsy> nemo: sooo in fact, I need to create a bash file, and run it? I dont know how it exactly works
[0:10] <nemo> Hopsy: yeah. that bash file is not too different from the one I linked you to, and mentioned you'd need to run
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[0:10] <nemo> Hopsy: although he puts it in if-up, instead of running it once at startup
[0:11] <Hopsy> what I did so far is, uncommented /etc/sysctl.conf line 28 (#net.ipv4.ip_forward=1)
[0:11] <nemo> Hopsy: wrt dnsmasq etc, I would just leave the windows machine DNS setting as-is - they probably point to some external DNS unless you have local caching setup
[0:11] <nemo> Hopsy: and its IP address, meh, just make up one
[0:11] <nemo> 10.0.0.1 or something
[0:11] <pksato> Some time... I use this computer to share Internet for RPi or others.
[0:12] <Hopsy> hmm
[0:13] <pksato> WiFi is connected do AP, and rpi to ap via cable.
[0:13] <pksato> to AP
[0:15] <Hopsy> I am still confused what I should do now :p
[0:15] <nemo> Hopsy: did you save anything from our extensive chat before, where I tried to explain rules and such?
[0:15] <nemo> 'cause I sure don't wanna do it again
[0:15] <Hopsy> yes I did, wait I will read
[0:16] <nemo> Hopsy: but basically, w/ a script like that setup, and your windows machine told to use the RPI as the gateway, everything should just work
[0:16] <nemo> Hopsy: and you don't even need to put the script in startup, for initial testing
[0:16] <nemo> just run it as root
[0:16] <nemo> my script wasn't that different really. just had the net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 in it, and a flush in case you wanted to rerun it w/ new rules
[0:17] <nemo> otherwise. almost same thing :)
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[0:18] <pksato> conf of my setup http://pastebin.com/hVATJ3yc
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[0:20] <Cembo> Quick question, how much memory should be devoted to the GPU of model B Rev2 to run Quake 3 and alikes propperly?
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[0:20] <Hopsy> is this normal: http://puu.sh/217BZ
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[0:21] <pksato> no...
[0:21] <ParkerR> Hopsy, Not at all
[0:21] <Hopsy> :')
[0:21] <ParkerR> Try sudo apt-get purge nano and sudo apt-get install nano
[0:21] <pksato> fs corrupion.
[0:22] <Hopsy> apt-get purge nano returns also segmentation fault
[0:22] <pksato> or, swap. or memory. or some gamma particle flip some bits on ram.
[0:22] <ParkerR> Hopsy, Umm sorry to say this
[0:22] <Hopsy> sudo apt-get install nano, too
[0:22] <ParkerR> Your filesystem is screwed
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[0:23] <ParkerR> Surprised you are able to SSH in
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[0:23] <pksato> Hopsy: shutdown -F -r now
[0:23] <Hopsy> haha, it could be because of the iptables I ran 10 thousand times :p
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[0:24] <Hopsy> -bash: /sbin/shutdown: cannot execute binary file
[0:24] <ParkerR> Hoerie, Why...
[0:24] <ParkerR> * Hopsy WHY...
[0:25] <ParkerR> Just reflash a new image
[0:25] <Hopsy> interesting :P
[0:25] <ParkerR> Pull the power
[0:25] <Hopsy> wait I want to know what I did wrong
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[0:25] <Hopsy> I installed iptables
[0:26] <ParkerR> Hopsy, Running anythings 10 thousand times that accesses the filesystem would proably break it
[0:26] <ParkerR> *anything
[0:27] <Hopsy> aha from the moment I ran this it gone wrong, sudo sysctl -p
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[0:29] <sadbox> I wonder what the heck settings you loaded
[0:29] <Hopsy> I uncommented this: #net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
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[0:30] <pksato> Hopsy: Is just some randon error.
[0:30] <sadbox> I'm gonna go with ParkerR on this one. reboot, and avoid whatever you did to get to this point
[0:30] <sadbox> =)
[0:31] <Hopsy> pksato: its working now after a reboot :p
[0:31] <pksato> I think, SD card control of RPi not good.
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[0:37] <DeliriumTremens> hmm
[0:38] <DeliriumTremens> could the green screen be a hardware fault?
[0:38] <pksato> green screen?
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[0:38] <ParkerR> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7137
[0:38] <DeliriumTremens> screen is green for cli, background is pink when X loads
[0:38] <ParkerR> Seems to be hardware
[0:39] <ParkerR> Try config_hdmi_boost=4 in config.txt
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[0:40] <DeliriumTremens> i was doing that but config.txt was overwriting itself on bohttp://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7137ot
[0:40] <ParkerR> It shouldnt be overwriting...
[0:40] <DeliriumTremens> i just reimaged my SD card
[0:40] <DeliriumTremens> gonna try it all again
[0:40] <DeliriumTremens> still green...but i'll mess with config_hdmi_boost
[0:41] <Hopsy> pksato: should I change eth0 to dhcp?
[0:41] <Hopsy> Its now on stati
[0:41] <Hopsy> c
[0:41] <pksato> ?
[0:42] <Hopsy> I saw it here: http://pastebin.com/hVATJ3yc
[0:42] <pksato> eth0 is interface name
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[0:42] <Hopsy> yes I know
[0:42] <pksato> ah... to use dhcp?
[0:43] <DeliriumTremens> hah
[0:43] <DeliriumTremens> the last post on that thread fixed it ParkerR
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[0:43] <Hopsy> wait is this the same scenario?
[0:43] <DeliriumTremens> my monitor was using YPbPr+
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[0:43] <DeliriumTremens> changed it to RGB and it works
[0:43] <TonyRPi_> :D
[0:43] <ParkerR> DeliriumTremens, Sweet
[0:43] <pksato> Hopsy: Its is script runnig on my dekstop.
[0:43] <Hopsy> internet -> wifi -> pi -> lan -> pc
[0:44] <pksato> But, its can run on rpi to.
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[0:44] <pksato> internet (eth0) - PC - wifi (wlan0) - AP - cable - RPi.
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[0:45] <Hopsy> yeah its almost the same :p
[0:45] <Hopsy> wait i will try
[0:45] <pksato> ah.. tou case, share wlan0
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[0:47] <pksato> -s and -d options and parameters can be removed from iptables lines.
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[0:48] <Hopsy> pksato: those are my settings: http://puu.sh/218pw
[0:48] <ParkerR> Why are there two iface lines?
[0:49] <ParkerR> Oh nvm
[0:49] <ParkerR> I misread it
[0:49] <Hopsy> it was commented
[0:49] <pksato> and, wlan0 is a interface to share?
[0:49] <Hopsy> yeah I will remove it
[0:50] <Hopsy> pksato: uhm, how should I know that?
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[0:50] <pksato> that?
[0:51] <Hopsy> <pksato> and, wlan0 is a interface to share?
[0:52] <pksato> It is you setup. If you dont hnow, any one know..
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[0:53] <Hopsy> owww, yes sorry wlan0 is connected and would to route the connection
[0:53] <pksato> On my case, share eth0. Where is internet access interface
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[0:54] <Primer> Anyone think a pi has enough power to run a bluetooth dongle?
[0:55] <pksato> or, dont know if is applicable, can create a brigde between wlan0 and eth0.
[0:55] <pksato> but, some wifi interface can not "bridge".
[0:56] <mgottschlag> Primer: I think that depends on the dongle
[0:56] <Hopsy> ow didnt know that
[0:56] <Primer> mgottschlag: I figured their power consumption wouldn't vary too much
[0:57] <Primer> was more hoping for anecdotal reports
[0:59] <mgottschlag> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Uses tells me that their power consumption should vary by a great deal at least
[1:00] <Hopsy> pksato: I dont get your bash file, http://puu.sh/218L9
[1:00] <mgottschlag> (although there have been quite some reports on working bluetooth dongles)
[1:00] <Hopsy> it exits with all options?
[1:01] <pksato> ?
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[1:16] <pierut> i wonder if warcrack works on the raspberry pi
[1:17] <pierut> i need an intelligence pill so i can take it an be awesomely good at using the gpio for like 9 hours a day
[1:17] <swart> if you spend 9 hours a day on gpio it won't take you long to be awesomely good at it
[1:17] <Primer> mgottschlag: I just didn't want to have to use a powered hub if I could avoid it, but I suppose using one will be the for the best
[1:17] <pierut> but im terrible at c
[1:17] <pierut> :<
[1:18] <pronto> if you have 9 hours a day to spend on it, you need a job...
[1:18] <swart> read K&R. it's only about 100 pages
[1:18] <Primer> or to sleep more
[1:18] <pierut> pronto, you're completely leaving out those of us on disability
[1:18] <pierut> we do have 9 hours a day :P
[1:19] <pierut> swart k&r?
[1:19] <swart> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language
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[1:21] <Coburn> Is it safe to run a R-Pi on foam?
[1:22] <Coburn> Would it short or anything?
[1:22] <pierut> depends on the foam @_o
[1:22] <Coburn> Uh
[1:22] <Coburn> you know, the box foam that hdd enclosures come with
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[1:22] <Coburn> lemme get a photo
[1:23] <pierut> well.. if it is conductive the answer would be no
[1:23] <pierut> :p
[1:23] <Coburn> I don't know
[1:23] <pierut> me either :D
[1:24] <pierut> swart, http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-C-Programming-Language-ANSI-C-2nd-Ed-Kernighan-Ritchie-/150994266907?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item2327f5ab1b
[1:24] <pierut> ?
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[1:25] <Coburn> pierut: this stuff... http://puu.sh/219rV
[1:26] <pierut> yea
[1:26] <pierut> idk
[1:26] * pierut proposes an experiment
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[1:26] <pierut> test the conductivity :>
[1:26] <Coburn> how?
[1:26] <pierut> electricity!
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[1:27] <pierut> or maybe a multimeter
[1:27] <pierut> or smthn
[1:27] <pierut> im not exactly pro on the subject
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[1:27] <pierut> :D
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[1:28] <pksato> this lkind of foam can acumulate static eletricity.
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[1:28] <Coburn> confirmed....
[1:28] <Coburn> [10:27:08] <&CorrodedZoul> sec
[1:28] <Coburn> [10:27:39] <&CorrodedZoul> that's styrofoam, it isn't conductive at all
[1:31] <pksato> and, is a thermal insulation.
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[1:33] <NullMoogleCable> how much power does the average user of a pi need to power their pi?
[1:34] <DeliriumTremens> 5v
[1:34] <NullMoogleCable> 5v but how many amps?
[1:34] <pierut> 1.21 gigawatts
[1:34] <pierut> and 88 mph
[1:35] * pierut squeals tires in his delorean
[1:35] <grantsmith> i think its about 200 mA
[1:35] <pierut> :>
[1:36] <mgottschlag> NullMoogleCable: judgin from the various problems, the average user needs a lot more than what his psu is able to do
[1:36] <mgottschlag> and... gn8
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[1:36] <NullMoogleCable> would 3 amps be enough?
[1:36] <grantsmith> NullMoogleCable, http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/260
[1:37] <grantsmith> yes, more than enough
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[1:49] <sadbox> NullMoogleCable: The max that's useful is just over 1A, there's a fuse preventing it from pulling more
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[1:50] <sadbox> At least, that's what the wiki tells me
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[2:06] <marcolepsy> I have both OpenVPN and Hamachi VPNs configured on my Pi. Each routes traffic over separate interfaces (tun0 and ham0 respectively). Everything works fine except quite slow when run together. Not slow when run separately. Any ideas?
[2:07] <boakun> why are you using vpn's on your rpi
[2:08] <Neqoxec> does anyone have a working omxplayer ebuild? xmw's is out of date
[2:08] <marcolepsy> Hamachi, to make it a part of my mesh network that I use to tie together lots of devices (work and at home)... OpenVPN for privacy.
[2:08] <boakun> ah
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[2:09] <Primer> So I straced tvservice -M and saw that it opened /dev/vchiq. My goal is to have udev run a script when HDMI is connected and disconnected, preferably with the state being sent to the script. Anyone have experience with udev rules that cover this?
[2:10] <Primer> I know someone else here posted something regarding this, but that was specific to Ubuntu and someone using a laptop. Suffice it to say the hardware was just not the same and the code he used wasn't comparable
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[2:24] <GabrialDestruir> Soooo Minecraft Pi edition xD
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[2:27] <pierut> http://brandonginn.net:8000/listen.pls?sid=1
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[3:00] <IT_Sean> WOOT! Raspi package tracking finally updated.
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[3:00] <beers> hi 5
[3:01] <IT_Sean> I'll have my raspi within 48 hours.
[3:01] <beers> double five
[3:01] <beers> I just got XBMC going, I'm glad I put some heatsinks on with thermal adhesive, seem to heat up a decent amount even with them on there
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[3:02] <Flexnard> IT_Sean, I got mine today even though it said tomorrow :P.. unexpected yup, how ever it was a good thing :P
[3:02] <swart> I need another one too. you guys ordering from the US or the UK?
[3:02] <Flexnard> US
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[3:03] <pierut> http://brandonginn.net:8000/listen.pls?sid=1
[3:03] <pierut> :>
[3:03] * pierut streams
[3:03] <IT_Sean> US
[3:04] <swart> newark is still backordered. of course they were when I ordered my first one too
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[3:04] <swart> shipped within a day, but UPS ground was painful to watch
[3:04] <beers> I picked up one from Newark a couple days ago and it got out pretty quickly.
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[3:04] <tb01110100> Is there any way to get the pi to boot by default from a USB drive instead of the SD card?
[3:04] <swart> well I liked dealing with them so I'll order another
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[3:05] <swart> tb01110100: no
[3:05] <IT_Sean> tb01110100: no. the pi can ONLY boot off the SD. You can then hand off to a HDD, but, you need the SD to start the process
[3:05] <tb01110100> swart: Thx.
[3:05] <swart> I wonder if I need a gertboard :)
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[3:06] <ParkerR> :(
[3:06] <ParkerR> swart, He could have used berryboot
[3:06] <ParkerR> Or set the drives partition name in the cmdline.txt
[3:06] * swart shrugs
[3:06] <ParkerR> As the location of the rootfs partition
[3:07] <swart> technically it still boots from the SD
[3:07] <ParkerR> Technically yes :P
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[3:07] <IT_Sean> which is rather what i said.
[3:07] <ParkerR> IT_Sean, Oh didnt even notice you said anything. Thanks
[3:07] <swart> looks nice, but complex for newbies
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[3:08] <swart> I guess I'm a bit strange because I usually do a bit of research before I start asking questions in IRC
[3:09] <ParkerR> swart, You (and a few other people) are a dying breed
[3:09] <swart> doesn't stop me from asking stupid questions, but I like to think it helps a little
[3:09] <ParkerR> I'm one that looks first
[3:09] <ParkerR> And if I ask first it's only because I've been up all day and can barely type
[3:09] <ParkerR> XD
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[3:10] <swart> yeah it's easy to get into a mode where you're asking questions instead of trying things
[3:10] <swart> I like to hang out on IRC during UK daylight hours and then turn my computer off in the evening so I don't get distracted
[3:11] <ParkerR> Haha
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[3:12] <beers> Are there any significant differences in the sd card reading mechanism between something like Raspbian and Arch?
[3:13] <beers> I keep getting a lot of corruption on Turbo with Raspbian but none of the same behavior after using Arch, on all the same hardware
[3:13] <beers> and clock speed/voltage settings
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[3:15] <pksato> Raspbian use ext4 on root fs. and arch?
[3:16] <swart> does a gertboard run off the raspi's power, or does it have its own power supply?
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[3:17] <BenMcLean> hey guys
[3:17] <BenMcLean> i'm new
[3:17] <BenMcLean> Just heard of the raspberry pi today -- only because of the Minecraft release for it
[3:17] <shiftplusone> welcome
[3:17] <BenMcLean> I got some questions about maybe possibly buying one
[3:18] <BenMcLean> if they can get answered
[3:18] <beers> yeah /dev/root on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
[3:18] <BenMcLean> First big thing is, "What's with this 'Buy Codecs' link on the site?"
[3:18] <BenMcLean> Why would you need to buy codecs to go with these devices instead of using ffmpeg?
[3:18] <swart> what site?
[3:19] <shiftplusone> It has a powerful GPU, but you need a license to be able to use it for certain codecs
[3:19] <pksato> BenMcLean: codecs to hardware decode for mpeg2 and vc1
[3:19] <shiftplusone> BenMcLean, this device is built to be under a certain price point. Most devices include the cost of the codecs built in. Including your pc
[3:19] <shiftplusone> *pc's graphics card
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[3:19] <ParkerR> BenMcLean, Only mpeg2 and vc1 licenses need to be bought
[3:19] <BenMcLean> wow, this is spooky. raspberrypi.org says, "Keep an open mind - but not so open that your brains fall out " for the tip of the day ... which is almost exactly my Facebook status from earlier
[3:20] <ParkerR> It can do hardware decoding of h.264 out of the box
[3:20] <ParkerR> Which is the more popular format
[3:20] <BenMcLean> but only if you buy the codec liscense?
[3:20] <ParkerR> So the extra licenses arent needed in most cases
[3:20] <shiftplusone> BenMcLean, no, there are included codecs which are free
[3:20] <ParkerR> BenMcLean, Only for mpeg2 and vc1
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[3:21] <BenMcLean> I can hardware decode h.264 out of the box, but I have to buy liscenses to do mpeg2 and vc1?
[3:21] <ParkerR> Yes
[3:21] <shiftplusone> h.264 at 1080p at 30 fps to be exact
[3:21] <BenMcLean> What measures stop me from simply ordering the machine to do this without my buying a liscense?
[3:22] <shiftplusone> BenMcLean, the license is optional. If you don't need it, don't buy it. Most people don't.
[3:22] <BenMcLean> What I'm wanting to get at is whether or not this is a DRM-infected device
[3:22] <ParkerR> BenMcLean, Only the hardware manuafacturer has the abiity to generate the code based off of the serial number of the Pi
[3:23] <shiftplusone> And it's not DRM
[3:23] <beers> codec!=drm
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[3:23] <BenMcLean> shiftplusone, don't want to be accusatory, so if you could explain how that's not DRM, I'd appreciate it. Want to know these things because I don't want to accidentally be supporting DRM'd hardware.
[3:23] <shiftplusone> Like I said, every other peice of hardware you own which does accelerated decoding has the price of the codecs built in.
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[3:24] <BenMcLean> shiftplusone, right. that's reasonable because I'm buying hardware.
[3:24] <shiftplusone> BenMcLean, but, for the sake of full disclosure and because it seems like something you'd want to know, the GPU is closed and runs a binary blob.
[3:25] <BenMcLean> OK. That's not necessarily much worse than other stuff I have of course but it's worth knowing.
[3:25] <shiftplusone> The instruction set for it has been reverse engineered already ;)
[3:25] <shiftplusone> And yeah, there is nothing stoping you from decoding mpeg2 in software, other than the spec limitations.
[3:25] <BenMcLean> OK. I don't see hardware/software manufacturers as obligated to make it easy for hackers to mod their devices.
[3:26] <shiftplusone> It works fine at lower resolutions
[3:26] <BenMcLean> But I do see a problem when specific steps are taken to stop me from giving orders to a deivce I supposedly own to do what I tell it to, in deference to the wishes of the manufacturer over mine, after i've bought it
[3:27] <BenMcLean> so yeah ... binary blobs are nasty but not necessarily a dealbreaker
[3:27] <shiftplusone> BenMcLean, not the manufacturer's fault. Codecs are legally protected
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[3:28] <BenMcLean> sorry, by "manufacturer" I meant whatever corporate structure is behind the product, whether it's to actually make the device or to allow the sale of it blah blah yeah :)
[3:28] <shiftplusone> They would either have to buy the license for each device and charge more or make it optional (which they did)
[3:28] <malcom2073> How can software decode protected codecs for free, but hardware can't?
[3:28] <swart> BenMcLean: this might help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Foundation
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[3:29] <malcom2073> Or is that some loophole hidden in the legal mumbo jumbo?
[3:29] <BenMcLean> malcom2073, I'm wondering that myself but I suspect that may be due to government rather than to the foundation or anybody behind this device. :)
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[3:29] <beers> There's nothing stopping you from transcoding it into another hardware-supported format like H.264
[3:30] <BenMcLean> OK help me with this for a second. this is to use hardware to decode mpeg and v2? not encode: decode? as in watch movies?
[3:31] <shiftplusone> I beleive where the license allows they enable encoding as well.
[3:31] <shiftplusone> I think mpeg2 for example can be encoded or decoded
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[3:31] <shiftplusone> but I may be wrong there
[3:32] <shiftplusone> Some companies have different licenses for encoding and decoding.
[3:32] <BenMcLean> OK. And what stops the hardware from doing this is that it expects you to provide it with a code based on the serial number of the device every time it receives an instruction to decode or encode these formats? (in hardware, not software)
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[3:32] <hk-duo> general question to anyone who feels like answering, what do you use your pi for? any cool projects?
[3:33] <malcom2073> hk-duo: My plan was to do a HTPC origonally
[3:33] <malcom2073> replace my huge htpc heh
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[3:33] <hk-duo> thats cool, you said originally, plans changed?
[3:33] <malcom2073> Second use since my hdmi came broken, is to use it for an automotive datalogger
[3:34] <hk-duo> ah
[3:34] <malcom2073> yeah my HDMI turned out to be no good out of the box
[3:34] <beers> hk-duo: low power desktop replacement, probably pays for itself with the small amount of computing I do outside of gaming and the consumption of the overclocked FX8350
[3:34] <malcom2073> Tbh, for $35 it's not worth my time to RMA.
[3:34] <shiftplusone> BenMcLean, I don't know what the hardware does exactly. You enter the key into your config file and the firmware that runs on the hardware makes sure that those formats are decoded by the gpu.
[3:34] <BenMcLean> OK. That sounds like, "DRM in the firmware" to me. How is that not?
[3:34] <malcom2073> Codecs != DRM
[3:35] <hk-duo> beers, thats cool, just use it to code and whatnot?
[3:35] <BenMcLean> malcom2073, you've said that, but haven't justified it. What is it that makes this true?
[3:35] <pksato> no. Its only activate codec on GPU. It can be also on GPU rom mask.
[3:35] <BenMcLean> And BTW, I'm not trolling or anything. I really want to undersatnd that.
[3:35] <beers> Eh pretty much, I do a lot of stuff in terminal windows for networking
[3:36] <malcom2073> BenMcLean: The purpose behind it. Using codecs to protect media is DRM. Using a license to prevent hardware decoding is capitalism
[3:36] <beers> hk-duo: you?
[3:36] <beers> or considering one
[3:36] <hk-duo> dont have one yet
[3:36] <xiambax> All my munchkins playing minecraft?
[3:36] <malcom2073> The purpose of this is not to protect media, it's that hardware codecs aren't free
[3:37] <malcom2073> (as far as I understand it)
[3:37] <shiftplusone> If I thought you were trolling I would've kicked you by now. I share the same concerns, but as I said, this is the case for all the hardware you've bought. If some company created a new format and your graphics card didn't support it, it would be decoded by the CPU... and that's what happens.
[3:37] <malcom2073> some googling the definitions of a codec, and how it related to DRM may help
[3:37] <ParkerR> xiambax, I am. Everybody else is arguin the paid licenses
[3:37] <ParkerR> :P
[3:37] <hk-duo> i have a couple zipit z2's so want to upgrade and play around with the pi
[3:37] <ParkerR> *arguing
[3:37] <pksato> DRM control content of media.
[3:37] <xiambax> Its 3 dollars, Quit complaining
[3:37] <xiambax> Cheap bastards
[3:37] <ParkerR> hk-duo, May I suggest #zipit
[3:38] <ParkerR> Nvm I see you are there already :P
[3:38] <malcom2073> xiambax: It's not about the price, it's understand the concept.
[3:38] <malcom2073> which I believe is what BenMcLean is trying to do
[3:38] <xiambax> Ok, well they were nice enough to sell you a cheap computer.
[3:38] <BenMcLean> malcom2073, well, no, that's not how I'd define DRM. The fact that it's a lock against the device owner would seem to make it DRM, no matter what it is protecting. I'd rather have bought a device that unconditionally obeys my commands for $10 more.
[3:38] <xiambax> The computer would have cost 38 dollars if they sold it with a feature not everyone would want
[3:38] <xiambax> so why does it matter if you pay at point of sale or afterwards
[3:38] <pierut> http://brandonginn.net:8000/listen.pls?sid=1
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[3:38] <pierut> fixed.
[3:38] <malcom2073> It does obey your commands. You don't KNOW the commands to hardware decode, and you're paying for someone to tell you those commands.
[3:39] <malcom2073> How would you define DRM? The RPI is in no way stopping you from decoding
[3:39] <BenMcLean> malcom2073, aha. So, if I were to figure those out on my own, or find them out from somebody else, would I be breaking any laws?
[3:39] <xiambax> malcom2073: It's call business man. If you are good at something. Never do it for free. If your business mission is to sell decoders. never do it for free.
[3:39] <malcom2073> it's simply stopping you from decoding quickly :P
[3:39] <xiambax> Go spend 2000 on a macbook.
[3:40] <Armand> lol
[3:40] <shiftplusone> BenMcLean, do you beleive that that hardware manufacturers HAVE to provide you with documentation of all interfaces and/or provide software to use those interfaces fully? If they don't, is that DRM?
[3:40] <malcom2073> xiambax: Some people like to know exactly why they have to pay, even if it's only $3
[3:40] <BenMcLean> I understand there are alot of challenges involved in trying to make an affordable computer system for a charitable cause. Not trying to diss the raspberry pi folks here.
[3:41] <malcom2073> [21:35:35] <BenMcLean> malcom2073, aha. So, if I were to figure those out on my own, or find them out from somebody else, would I be breaking any laws? <- Look up reverse engineering laws
[3:41] <malcom2073> There are laws that protect AND limit that.
[3:41] <BenMcLean> shiftplusone, no. That's why I asked whether finding them out on my own would be against any laws.
[3:41] <xiambax> It's money. Business men get places. Unrealistic idealists never leave their parents basement while they wank off over their morals . Sorry dude. You wanna get things done. You gotta charge people.
[3:41] <Armand> xiambax, I beg to differ. :P
[3:41] <malcom2073> Armand: seconded.
[3:42] <malcom2073> I get a lot of things done without charging people. It's called open source.
[3:42] <xiambax> When I believe in the open source philosophy. Proprietary driven commercial business has driven industry into what it is now.
[3:42] <IT_Sean> xiambax: easy there...
[3:42] <BenMcLean> xiambax, nah, I just got to wait a few more years for a similar but unencombered device.
[3:42] <BenMcLean> Or decide to compromise and buy one of these
[3:42] <BenMcLean> But I just wanted the relevant information to make that choice.
[3:42] <BenMcLean> Thank you folks for giving me some honest answers. :)
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[3:43] <Armand> I am one of those unrealistic jerk-offs.. I do ok working for no pay. :P
[3:43] <shiftplusone> BenMcLean, as you probably know, the legal system is different in different countries and is usually outdated. It's hard to say what's legal and what isn't when it comes to reverse engineering. The raspberry pi foundation would definitely be breaking laws if they released firmware which decoded the media formats without a license.
[3:43] <malcom2073> BenMcLean: I believe (and I may bewrong) that most PC's decode this kind of thing in software. The RPI does not have the processing power to do so, which is why doing it in hardware is so cool, however software is available to do it for free, hardware not. You're right, at some point in the future someone may release an open source hardware decoder
[3:43] <pksato> BenMcLean: buy some mk802+mali400 device. no need do buy extra codec. :)
[3:43] <malcom2073> and I'll look forward to that.
[3:43] <xiambax> I spend more on coffee in a day then what the licence costs.
[3:43] <Armand> Although I do now have a full-time job. ^_^
[3:43] <malcom2073> xiambax: I'm glad you have disposable income. Paypal me some? :P
[3:43] <xiambax> Its not hard to make money in the tech industry.
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[3:44] <malcom2073> heh, and this is the kind of conversation I won't get pulled into.
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[3:44] <xiambax> People beg me for help and i charge 100 and hour and don't have time for everyone.
[3:44] <malcom2073> BenMcLean: Thanks for keeping civil :)
[3:44] <xiambax> Im sure you could apply yourself and be making the same kind of money
[3:44] <Armand> Too late, malcom2073... *pulls him in* :P
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[3:44] <malcom2073> Haha noooo! :)
[3:44] <Armand> :D
[3:44] <malcom2073> I don't do the income/money conversation.
[3:44] <Armand> Part of my rPi project will be charitable.. because it's as much a learning tool for me.
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[3:45] <Armand> And, I'll be powering the majority with solae.
[3:45] <Armand> *solar
[3:45] <malcom2073> I plan on having a solar panel in my car to help keep my rpi running 24/7
[3:45] <hk-duo> armand that is cool
[3:46] <ztag100> malcom2073: I just read solar panel and rpi, I need to tell you, you are a genious
[3:46] <malcom2073> I'm not the first, nor last, to put the two together
[3:46] <malcom2073> Armand mentioned it first :)
[3:46] <malcom2073> at least in this conversation
[3:46] <shiftplusone> It has been mentioned every day since before the pi came out >_<
[3:46] <Armand> I'm looking at a paid service, using <other_arm> because that will cost me more.. but, the rates will still be quite low.
[3:46] <ztag100> I haven't heard of it
[3:46] <ztag100> lol
[3:47] <ztag100> :/
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[3:47] <Armand> ztag100, I've got a single 20W panel and about 28Ah of deep-cycle battery.
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[3:47] <hk-duo> how big is the solar panel to power the rpi?
[3:47] <hk-duo> i see
[3:47] <Armand> It's only phase 1, so.. there's lots to do yet.
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[3:48] <beers> ztag100: I mean you could really apply "Where can I generate 5 watts from" to any sort of situation, like a wind or river turbine if you were into that sort of thing
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[3:48] <malcom2073> 5w max, if you get a lot of sun, what, a 50w panel with a battery would give you lots of headroom :P
[3:48] <malcom2073> Armand: Does that run it 24/7, and where in the world are you?
[3:48] <Armand> A single 20W mono-crystalline will do around 1.2A peak.. the Pi should draw around 400mA, at a guess.
[3:48] <BenMcLean> It is really amazing how cheap computers are getting these days
[3:48] <Armand> malcom2073, it will.. once it's fully installed.
[3:48] <Armand> London, England.
[3:49] <malcom2073> Oh nice
[3:49] <malcom2073> 20w's aren't horribly expensive either
[3:49] <Armand> Not too bad.. I'll look at building panels in future, which will save me a bit.
[3:49] <BenMcLean> I'm kind of wondering, would one be able to develop for Android on a Pi? I'm thinking probably not because of the RAM limitations
[3:49] <Armand> Or just buying eff-off BIG panels. :P
[3:49] <malcom2073> Heh, I looked into that once upon a time. It seemed that my time was worth more than how long it would take to build it :/
[3:50] <Armand> malcom2073, depends on panel size.. and targets, I guess.
[3:50] <malcom2073> BenMcLean: Google! :)
[3:50] <malcom2073> IOohhhh
[3:50] <malcom2073> sorry, you said develop FOR android
[3:50] <BenMcLean> malom2073, well the problem with that is that the Android SDK does not come with clear system requirements.
[3:50] <malcom2073> I misunderstood
[3:50] <pksato> BenMcLean: Broadcom have a Adroind running on RPi, but not public.
[3:51] <BenMcLean> yeah, I saw that some people were looking at using it to run android OS. I meant develop android apps
[3:51] <malcom2073> I wouldn't want to use eclipse on it heh, that's for sure
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[3:51] <Armand> BenMcLean, actually running the dev tools ON rPi.. forget it.
[3:52] <BenMcLean> yeah probaby not
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[3:52] <BenMcLean> but Google really ought to list some recommended system requirements for the Android SDK
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[3:52] <Armand> Agreed
[3:52] <malcom2073> Recommend system for running eclipse fast: No such power exists in the world yet.
[3:52] <malcom2073> :(
[3:53] <Coburn> pfft eclipse
[3:53] <Armand> It's a PITA to run on a regular PC. ?_?
[3:53] <shiftplusone> Are there some non-official, non-eclipse or stripped down tools?
[3:53] <ParkerR> Eclipse runs
[3:53] <BenMcLean> these comments sound weird to me because eclipse seemed to run reasonably well on my old pentium 4
[3:53] <ParkerR> Not fast at all
[3:53] <Coburn> Java is crap
[3:53] <ParkerR> Kinda horribly actually
[3:53] <Coburn> But
[3:53] <Coburn> Well
[3:53] <malcom2073> Java has its place, desktop apps is not it (PURELY) imo
[3:53] <Coburn> ^ amen
[3:53] <hk-duo> haha
[3:54] <Armand> I wanted to run it on a Q6600 with 2GB RAM, so I could play a few games.. what a total <censored>
[3:54] <ParkerR> BenMcLean, P4 has many advantages over the arm chip in the Pi
[3:54] <Coburn> What I want to see
[3:54] <Coburn> R-Pi Model C/D: Dual Core CPU (ARM7, which is backwards compatible with ARM6 apps) with 1GB RAM
[3:54] <Armand> Pfft
[3:55] <Coburn> And seperate buses for USB and LAN
[3:55] <Coburn> I have a ODROID
[3:55] <Armand> Quad, 1.7GHz, 2GB RAM. :P
[3:55] <Coburn> ^ I have that
[3:55] <Armand> U2. *cough*
[3:55] <Coburn> Same
[3:55] <Armand> I want a few of those bad boys. :D
[3:55] <Coburn> Problem is
[3:55] <pksato> +SATA and USB3
[3:55] <ParkerR> The heatsink on the U2 looks kind bulky compared tot he actual device
[3:55] <ParkerR> *to the
[3:55] <Coburn> Mali400 = Limited 2D acceleration on Xorg
[3:55] <Armand> ParkerR, bothered? :P
[3:56] <BenMcLean> the web site seems to indicate students will use this to make programs in python
[3:56] <ParkerR> Aranel, Naah just for my uses it may not work :P
[3:56] <BenMcLean> isn't python slower than Java ?
[3:56] <Armand> Coburn, for my project... it's all ssh. :)
[3:56] <Coburn> Well, I wanted to use one as a loungeroom OS dev
[3:56] <Armand> I won't need to touch Xorg at all.
[3:56] <BenMcLean> I mean, based on the admittedly little I know about languages, python is not supposed to be faster than Java.
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[3:56] <Coburn> But it is
[3:57] <Coburn> THE HORRIBLE TRUTH
[3:57] <BenMcLean> how the hell is it
[3:57] <malcom2073> In some ways.
[3:57] <BenMcLean> i mean, that makes no sense
[3:57] <BenMcLean> surely the garbage collector can't be THAT BAD
[3:57] <beers> I always felt Java ran pretty horrendously from a performance perspective
[3:57] <Coburn> lol
[3:57] <Armand> Python+Java = caffeinated snake ?
[3:57] <malcom2073> poorly programmed java runs horribly.
[3:57] <Coburn> Java GC = Sh*t
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[3:57] <Coburn> Seriously
[3:57] <Coburn> make some vars
[3:57] <malcom2073> 100% of all desktop apps I've ever run that I've not written == poorly programmed.
[3:57] <Coburn> use them once
[3:57] <Coburn> then look at the vars
[3:57] <Coburn> they'll likely have been missed taking out the trash
[3:58] <BenMcLean> hrm
[3:58] <ParkerR> Oh Java.
[3:58] <Armand> So glad I don't code..
[3:58] <ParkerR> Ohgod
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[3:58] <malcom2073> So glad I don't often have to code java
[3:58] <Coburn> I just let my game studio compile stuff for me
[3:58] <Coburn> Just point it to a working SDK of Android
[3:58] <Coburn> volia
[3:58] <malcom2073> That reminds me, I need to get Qt installed on my rpi sometime heh
[3:58] <Coburn> APK
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[3:59] <Armand> I don't do *any* coding.. I can look at PHP, and that's about it. :P
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[3:59] <Armand> I've done a little C&P chopping on it.. at most.
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[4:00] <Coburn> I code in PHP
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[4:01] <Coburn> but I've been swimming in C#, avoiding the sharks
[4:01] <malcom2073> I enjoy c# for rapid application prototyping
[4:01] <malcom2073> You can show concepts super quick
[4:01] <Armand> I'll most likely pick up some PHP, as part of my job.. but, it's not something I *want* to learn.
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[4:01] <malcom2073> Never really dealt with the web side, except as a user, so I don't like it for that :P
[4:02] <elek> /join #irssi
[4:02] <Armand> ^ FAIL!
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[4:03] <Armand> try again, elek :P
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[4:07] <ParkerR> /join #inyoubutt
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[4:07] <NullMoogleCable> I think im designing a pi shield that will be very very popular :)
[4:08] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, Ohai there :D I see more Zipit people in here all the time
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[4:08] <NullMoogleCable> Im callling it Time2PowerPI
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[4:08] <NullMoogleCable> http://wtfmoogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Time2PowerPI.png
[4:09] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, So basically rtc and alternate power source?
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[4:09] <NullMoogleCable> 5v 3amp switching voltage regulator, i2c rtc and power on and off buttons :)
[4:09] <ParkerR> :)
[4:10] <ParkerR> I like how I guessed that just from the schematic
[4:10] <ParkerR> Noticed the cell battery
[4:10] <NullMoogleCable> with polarity protection
[4:10] <NullMoogleCable> 6v-40vdc input
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[4:10] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, Shut up and take my money :P
[4:11] <NullMoogleCable> :-D
[4:11] <NullMoogleCable> i still have to add the software poweroff jumpers
[4:11] <ParkerR> Software poweroff jumpers?
[4:12] <ParkerR> Oh power it off via software
[4:12] <ParkerR> Neat
[4:12] <NullMoogleCable> yes
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[4:12] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, Naah just bridge the P6 jumper :P
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[4:13] <NullMoogleCable> why do that when you can just turn off the regulator :D
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[4:13] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, Good to see you here
[4:14] <NullMoogleCable> ty :)
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[4:14] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, Did you see my Pi laptop?
[4:15] <NullMoogleCable> not yet
[4:15] <NullMoogleCable> probably have
[4:15] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/71679/mcd.jpg
[4:15] <BenMcLean> I like Java ... but I hate Java programmers.
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[4:15] <BenMcLean> Which means I hate myself I guess.
[4:16] <BenMcLean> when i screw up
[4:16] <NullMoogleCable> im working on stuffing a pi into a augen laptop :D
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[4:16] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, And http://i.minus.com/iQXy1aNQLHMgO.JPG and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0hc_z1L03Q
[4:16] <BenMcLean> basically, students are supposed to be able to write python programs on the Pi
[4:17] <BenMcLean> what would these probrams be able to usefully do?
[4:17] <ParkerR> Pythin isnt bad at all
[4:17] <ParkerR> Runtime compilation is nice
[4:17] <BenMcLean> wait, i thought python was interpreted, not "compiled"
[4:17] <NullMoogleCable> what laptop was that originally?
[4:17] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, Wasn't :) Atrix 4g lapdock
[4:17] <Hodapp> BenMcLean: It's compiled into bytecode which is then interpreted by a virtual machine.
[4:18] <ParkerR> BenMcLean, Technically yes
[4:18] <ParkerR> I just think about it that way
[4:18] <pierut> http://brandonginn.net:8000/listen.pls?sid=1
[4:18] <pierut> :>
[4:18] <Hodapp> BenMcLean: That it's interactive doesn't matter. Scala and Clojure and OCaml are compiled, but can be used interactively.
[4:19] <BenMcLean> ok
[4:19] <BenMcLean> well anyway, what kinda programs would you be expecting from students on this thing?
[4:19] <ParkerR> Depends on the student
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[4:19] <Hodapp> the same sort of programs I'd expect from Python run on anything else
[4:20] <BenMcLean> would someone be able to use that GPU to do stuff with 3D graphics through pygame + a 3D engine library?
[4:20] <NullMoogleCable> http://wtfmoogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/snowflakes4.mp3
[4:20] <shiftplusone> BenMcLean, as long as it uses opengl es
[4:20] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, Nice
[4:20] <BenMcLean> so you can make opengl games on it. aha.
[4:20] <Hodapp> I just tried those OpenGL ES demos from pyopengles
[4:20] <NullMoogleCable> http://wtfmoogle.com/?p=1826
[4:21] <NullMoogleCable> i wonder if i can turn a pi into a midi mixer :D
[4:21] <pierut> :>
[4:21] <Hodapp> couldn't get the Python scripts to run, but the demos you can use by the bash script worked
[4:21] <Hodapp> impressive that they could do ray-marching in realtime on there
[4:21] <BenMcLean> NullMoogleCable, i'm sure you could totally do that
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[4:21] <BenMcLean> in fact, that's a pretty good use for one of these. use it onstage to sync different devices MIDI clocks
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[4:22] <BenMcLean> i don't know how good it would be actually doing the actual mixing of the audio in realtime though
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[4:22] <BenMcLean> but then, you might just want to go analog for that
[4:23] <BenMcLean> analog mixers might pop but at least they don't skip
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[4:24] <clueful> what does it mean if the pi crashes and then only the power light is lit?
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[4:26] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, So are your Zipits also just sitting on a shelf now?
[4:26] <pronto> clueful: kinda sounds like your powersource isn't providing enough power
[4:26] <pierut> im listening to http://brandonginn.net:8000/listen.pls?sid=1
[4:26] <pierut> ftw
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[4:26] <pierut> live streaming internet audio http://brandonginn.net:8000/listen.pls?sid=1
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[4:27] <NullMoogleCable> mostly ParkerR
[4:27] <ParkerR> pierut, We saw your link like 5 times now
[4:27] <NullMoogleCable> one is borked. i think i overheated it litecoin mining lol
[4:27] <pierut> just making sure :>
[4:27] <ParkerR> pierut, Streaming via the Pi?
[4:27] <pierut> well no
[4:28] <pierut> but i could
[4:28] <shiftplusone> pierut, as a general rule of thumb, don't paste the same link here more than once per day.
[4:28] <ParkerR> Well then why pasting so much? :P
[4:28] <pierut> its a network of things
[4:28] <shiftplusone> (unless asked)
[4:28] <pierut> my apologies
[4:28] <pierut> :>
[4:28] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, My only Zipit is sitting in pieces in a pastic bag
[4:28] <ParkerR> *plastic
[4:29] <ParkerR> Still works but might never get it back together
[4:29] <steve_rox> wonder if the network manager ever worked in X
[4:29] <ParkerR> steve_rox, It does if you set it up
[4:30] <ParkerR> http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager
[4:30] <steve_rox> keeps giveing me error no permission
[4:30] <steve_rox> using the icon/gui
[4:30] <ParkerR> Are you part of the netdev froup?
[4:30] <ParkerR> *group
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[4:30] <steve_rox> no idea
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[4:30] <ParkerR> Type @groups@ in a terminal
[4:30] <ParkerR> *"groups"
[4:31] <steve_rox> i assume i have to elivate my clearence somehow
[4:31] <ParkerR> Darn UK keyboard XD
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[4:31] <steve_rox> err
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[4:32] <steve_rox> netdev is not listed
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[4:33] <ParkerR> steve_rox, sudo usermod -a -G netdev username
[4:33] <ParkerR> username being your username on the Pi
[4:33] <ParkerR> Then reboot
[4:33] <steve_rox> i just login with the pi usersname
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[4:34] <steve_rox> cmd complete
[4:34] <steve_rox> rebooting it
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[4:36] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, Other great thing about the lapdock. Get about 5 hours off of one charge
[4:36] <ParkerR> Even with wifi
[4:37] <steve_rox> wonder what the mdl a could do
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[4:37] <steve_rox> and whats battery capasity?
[4:38] <ParkerR> Not sure exactly
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[4:38] <ParkerR> Battery: 36Wh 3 cell
[4:39] <steve_rox> oh
[4:39] <steve_rox> that error is still present btw
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[4:40] <ParkerR> steve_rox, Try sudo killall nm-applet then sudo nm-applet
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[4:40] <steve_rox> errr
[4:40] <ParkerR> Then it should have perms. There is a way to do it as normal user but dont remember
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[4:42] <ParkerR> steve_rox, Ohh did groups list network as a group?
[4:43] <steve_rox> erm
[4:43] <steve_rox> on
[4:43] <steve_rox> no
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[4:43] <steve_rox> i restarted that applet with sudo
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[4:43] <ParkerR> steve_rox, Ok add yourself to the network group then reboot again
[4:43] <steve_rox> erm okay
[4:44] <steve_rox> group network does not exist
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[4:47] <ParkerR> steve_rox, Hmm
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[4:54] <mdszy> Hooray! Got my Raspi running a nice little ruby web app, and just made it even better!
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[5:09] <ParkerR> :D http://withg.org/parkerlreed/ss.png
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[5:12] <Armand> ParkerR, what's the system display program?
[5:13] <ParkerR> Aranel, conky
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[5:14] * Armand searchs
[5:14] <ParkerR> Updates every second. Could probanly set that to update a little less often and save a little CPU
[5:14] <ParkerR> *probably
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[5:18] <Armand> Huummm.. it runs on Debian/KDE, but a little strangely.
[5:20] <Armand> I'll look closer tomorrow. thanks, man. :)
[5:20] <Armand> time for bed now. .o/
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[5:22] <ParkerR> Aww he left
[5:22] <ParkerR> Was gonna tell him I had a custom config
[5:27] <steve_rox> havein fun?
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[6:03] <john_f> what is the spi_ce0_n gpio pin used for?
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[6:14] <john_f> nvm got it
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[6:25] <Datalink-M> john_f, SPI or GPIO... heh
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[6:27] <ParkerR> https://github.com/nhajratw/minecraft_api
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[6:29] <john_f> Datalink-M: I was just confused by ce standing for chip select.
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[6:30] <Datalink-M> Yeah, there are 2 on the SPI for the Pi though
[6:30] <Datalink-M> Chip enumerate if I remember right
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[7:24] <TonyRPi> So today I cut a RPi case from some acrylic i had laying around.. I popped him in the laser cutter, found a nifty design on Thingiverse.com and voila: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200326983804595&set=pcb.10200327003685092&type=1&theater
[7:24] <TonyRPi> things fit well: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200326983524588&set=pcb.10200327003685092&type=1&theater
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[7:25] <Datalink-M> That's the pibow, didn't know he thingaversed it
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[7:26] <TonyRPi> ya
[7:26] <TonyRPi> pibow :D http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:33443
[7:26] <TonyRPi> i didn't want to fiddle around with the engraving stuff, although it was way pro... i just am not familiar enough with the machine to do that part of it, but the enclosure itself was great
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[7:27] <TonyRPi> gotta love thingiverse
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[7:28] <Datalink-M> Yeah, i'd be doing one in opaque grey with layer 2 and uh... 7 I think, in transparent blue if I cou
[7:28] <Datalink-M> D light it
[7:28] <Datalink-M> Stupid phone
[7:29] <TonyRPi> Ooo yah
[7:29] <TonyRPi> I have to buy some more acrylic, mcmaster has some great choices (as always) http://www.mcmaster.com/#acrylic-sheets/=lfwlnr
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[7:45] <SpeedEvil> I assume you're in the us?
[7:45] <SpeedEvil> if in the UK, cabp.co,UK
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[7:46] <TonyRPi> ?
[7:46] <TonyRPi> I am yes (if you were talking to me)
[7:48] <Datalink-M> My local hardware store hadps acrilic in good sizes
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[8:19] <Primer> I've currently got my PS3's controller hooked up to my pi via bluetooth. My goal is to try to play minecraft on the pi with it, but it seems X refuses to use it as a pointer device
[8:19] <Primer> Anyone know what the secret sauce for getting X on the pi to use a joystick for input is?
[8:20] <Primer> [120898.886] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Sony Computer Entertainment Wireless Controller (/dev/input/js0)
[8:21] <Primer> yet, it doesn't work
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[8:21] <Primer> [120898.886] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[8:22] <Primer> heh, guess I should have kept reading
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[8:27] <rm> xserver-xorg-input-joystick - X.Org X server -- joystick input driver
[8:27] <rm> installed??
[8:27] <Primer> yeah, that was it (found it on my own though)
[8:28] <Primer> heh, can move the pointer but none of the buttons work
[8:28] <Primer> or seem to be mapped to X buttons, that is...jstest shows every button working
[8:29] <Primer> nm, select worked
[8:30] <steve_rox> havein fun?
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[8:32] <Primer> heh, not really :)
[8:32] <Primer> it runs
[8:32] <Primer> I've laid some blocks down
[8:32] <Primer> but I can't move
[8:32] <steve_rox> heh
[8:32] <steve_rox> i had the alpha leak
[8:33] <Primer> I can pan but I can't move
[8:33] <Primer> no sound either
[8:34] <Primer> part of the desktop is leaking through the water too
[8:35] <steve_rox> win32 minecraft map format cross compatible
[8:35] <steve_rox> least it was on alpha
[8:35] <Primer> I wish I could full screen ir
[8:35] <Primer> it
[8:35] <Primer> I should probably try getting a real mouse working though
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[8:36] <steve_rox> probly
[8:39] <steve_rox> not sure what to do with it now
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[8:40] <Primer> I bought mine with a purpose, which is to serve as a client for my home security system. Basically I watch the 5 camera mosaic stream that's served up from my server on my TV in the living room
[8:41] <Primer> Took all of 5 minutes to setup the pi to do that
[8:41] <Primer> it works perfectly too
[8:41] <Primer> all I do is select the HDMI input the pi is connected to on my Denon
[8:41] <Primer> I saw a skunk not long ago :)
[8:41] <ParkerR> Anybody messed with the RetroPie image yet?
[8:42] <steve_rox> a skunk in minecraft?
[8:42] <steve_rox> explodeing skunks!
[8:42] <Primer> my security camera
[8:42] <Primer> the one I just finished describing...
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[8:42] <steve_rox> :-)
[8:43] <steve_rox> i guess my pi is teaching me a bit of linux
[8:43] <steve_rox> and potential fustration
[8:44] <ryanteck> Morning
[8:44] <steve_rox> strange apptitude installed some bootloader thing
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[8:45] <steve_rox> or updated it
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[8:46] <steve_rox> gonna need some vpn for a minecraft online game
[8:48] <boakun> why is everyone so into minecraft
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[8:51] <ryanteck> boakun minecraft is a good game
[8:51] <boakun> i should check it out
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[8:52] <ryanteck> but even may fanboyism for pi and minecraft still makes me doubt how good pi edition is
[8:52] <ryanteck> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/compiling.png - Best bit about the RPi's slowness
[8:54] <steve_rox> in other news north korea do something stupid again
[8:54] <steve_rox> they tire/bore me
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[8:56] <ryanteck> and now horse burgers may contain donkey!
[8:56] <ryanteck> Yum
[8:57] <boakun> horse burger you say
[8:57] <boakun> i dont eat horses
[8:57] <ryanteck> neither do I
[8:57] <ryanteck> but the beef burgers turned out to be horse
[8:57] <steve_rox> or so you think
[8:57] <ryanteck> and some of it may also be donkey
[8:58] <steve_rox> whatever they could find i guess?
[8:58] <steve_rox> rats next?
[8:58] <Weaselweb> ryanteck: any sources for that?
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[8:58] <ryanteck> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/horsemeat-found-in-british-supermarkets-may-be-donkey-8489030.html
[8:58] <steve_rox> "may"
[8:59] <ryanteck> (07:57:41) Ryanteck: and some of it may also be donkey
[8:59] <ryanteck> I said may xD
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[9:00] <steve_rox> who can tell
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[9:02] <ryanteck> mmm donkey horse
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[9:05] <Weaselweb> mh, does that mean, they sold donkey meat as horse? or that donkey is sold as beef?
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[9:11] <ryanteck> they could have sold donkey as horse or beef
[9:12] <ryanteck> but they sold that horse as beef
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[9:16] <Weaselweb> yep, i know about horse as beef
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[9:23] <ParkerR> :D Playing Sonic the Hedgehog 2 on my Pi
[9:23] <ParkerR> Genesis emualtor
[9:23] <ParkerR> *emulator
[9:24] <TonyRPi> this is so legit
[9:24] <TonyRPi> http://www.cooking-hacks.com/index.php/documentation/tutorials/raspberry-pi-to-arduino-shields-connection-bridge
[9:24] <TonyRPi> I want to make my own 0_o I really just want to put a radio on a pi shield
[9:25] <TonyRPi> like the atzb-a24-ufl
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[9:26] <joukio> morning all
[9:28] <ryanteck> Morning
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[9:41] <gordonDrogon> markedathome, is now know as someone who can't make their mind up.
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[9:42] <ParkerR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STN260k9BEQ
[9:42] <markedathome> was grouping nicks - forgot it changes everywhere
[9:43] <gordonDrogon> ParkerR, neat :)
[9:43] <ParkerR> Genesis and a few other emulators ^
[9:43] <gordonDrogon> ParkerR, thats one of those motorolla lap-dock thingys?
[9:43] <ParkerR> Yeah
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[9:43] <markedathome> is it only the atrix one or are there others that work?
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[9:47] <ParkerR> I think there is a Bionic one
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[10:02] <gordonDrogon> A chang from Pi's :) https://projects.drogon.net/theyre-chickens/
[10:03] <joukio> can anyone tell me what the status is on the DTS license thingy????
[10:05] <ryanteck> om nom chicken
[10:06] <ryanteck> :3
[10:06] <ryanteck> Or more like eggs
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[10:07] <kvarley> Anybody figured out how to get minecraft-pi to go fullscreen yet?
[10:08] <ryanteck> I think it could be a setting
[10:09] <kvarley> There is options.txt but I see no documentation on any flags
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[10:09] <kvarley> Also, I've just flashed the latest raspbian image from raspberrypi.org and I don't seem to have audio over HDMI. Do I have to manually install ALSA?
[10:09] <zilog> minecraft is playable on a pi?
[10:10] <kvarley> zilog: http://pi.minecraft.net
[10:10] <mjr> the pocket edition has a pi port
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[10:13] <zilog> how well does it run? because my 5 year old laptop was barely able to cope (GPU running at 90 degrees etc.)
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[10:13] <kvarley> zilog: It's not minecraft, it's minecraft pocket edition forked and changed to run on the pi
[10:14] <zilog> ok, i didn't know what the difference was
[10:16] <kvarley> zilog: But FYI I'm running it now and it's at 50 degrees with no overclock
[10:16] <kvarley> Way smoother than I thought too
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[10:39] <ParkerR> zilog, Also the Pi edition isn't java
[10:40] <ParkerR> So it is actually efficient and runs smoothly
[10:40] <zilog> ah, that makes sense
[10:40] <mjr> I guess I'm gonna have to finally try minecraft out then, even if just a stripped down version
[10:40] <ParkerR> kvarley, Naah just sudo modprobe snd_bcm2837 and sudo alsactl init
[10:41] <ParkerR> zilog, Funnily enough it has a little mouse lag bu that lag is because it syncs every frame. So it looks great but very slight lag
[10:42] <ParkerR> *but
[10:42] <kvarley> ParkerR: Module not found
[10:42] <ParkerR> kvarley, Try 2836
[10:42] <kvarley> Not found
[10:42] <ParkerR> Heh was trying to remmeber off the top of my head
[10:43] <kvarley> ParkerR: You were so close, it's 2835 ;)
[10:43] <ParkerR> Heh
[10:43] <ParkerR> kvarley, Also make sure hdmi_drive=2 is in /boot/config.txt
[10:43] <ParkerR> Then reboot
[10:44] <kvarley> ParkerR: Ok, thanks :)
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[12:23] <mrmoney2012> i've got some of those lasagnes in the freezer???.. "and they're OFF!"
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[12:25] <Coffe> is there any progress in porting android ?
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[12:48] <DDave> Raspberrypi alarm clock.
[12:48] <DDave> Need I say more?
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[13:04] <gordonDrogon> DDave, er... easy to do, bit of a hassle though?
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> I've used a mobile phone as an alarm clock for a number of years now.
[13:05] <DDave> smart thinking, I completely forgot about that one
[13:05] <DDave> :D
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[13:13] <FR^2> Kids at school today: "My alarm clock has far more BogoMIPS than yours!!!"
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[13:19] <gordonDrogon> my wife is quite radical - she uses something called an "alarm clock" as an alarm clock ..
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[13:20] <pronto> gordonDrogon: aka cellphone?
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[13:20] <shiftplusone> an alarm clock would make a pretty lousy cell phone, I think.
[13:21] <shiftplusone> It rings, but when you pick up, there's nobody there O_o
[13:21] <Joeboy> That would mostly be preferable ime
[13:21] <shiftplusone> it can be, true
[13:22] <shiftplusone> Don't need to worry about reception either
[13:22] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I am starting to come around on this
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[13:34] <gordonDrogon> pronto, yes mobile phone = cell (.us), mange (.de)
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> er, s/mange/handy/
[13:35] <pronto> lhttp://raspberry.bagels.xxx/templog.php yay, temp is staying down
[13:36] <pronto> http://raspberry.bagels.xxx/templog.php ...i dont knwo how to post urls apeprnetly
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> both those are identical
[13:37] <pronto> nope
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[13:37] <pronto> not at all
[13:37] <pronto> well not for people with crappy url regex
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> I think you're too bosessed with temperature.
[13:38] <pronto> :D
[13:41] <boazb> i'm working on a putting together a location-analytics service using the Pi and i'm looking for any volunteers willing to test it out for the first time... all you need is a pi, a wifi dongle and 10-15 minutes. anyone?
[13:41] <pronto> what do you need us to do?
[13:42] <pronto> if you want me to run airodump and send the data to you LOLNO
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[13:56] <lkeijser> hi, I've installed the raspbian distro and have set up mpd, but now I'd also like to play movies (output hdmi to my tv), is this possible without changing the distro?
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[14:01] <Dyskette> lkeijser: sure. omxplayer is included with raspbian I think
[14:02] <Dyskette> lkeijser: (if it isn't, "sudo apt-get install omxplayer" will fix that)
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[14:04] <Tachyon`> hi, has anyone had an assembled gertboard form cpc/farnell? I need to know if it comes with the gpio cable and patch wires
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[14:09] <double-you> what happens when I start raspbian with read only (locked)?
[14:10] <Tachyon`> near on 500 people and nobody has a gertboard? I don't believe that, heh
[14:11] <IT_Sean> heck... i'm still waiting on my raspi
[14:11] <Tachyon`> I'd expect not much, it might just ignore the switch,might start with the fs mounted read only in which case it'd fail on anything that writes
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[14:12] <IT_Sean> double-you: how are you setting it to read only?
[14:12] <double-you> there's a switch on the sd adapter (LOCK)
[14:12] <IT_Sean> Ahhh. I thought as much. The raspi ignores that.
[14:13] <IT_Sean> The raspi does not read the lock switch position.
[14:13] <double-you> but oh..
[14:13] <double-you> I thought the switch is a physical write protection
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[14:13] <IT_Sean> the lock switch on an SD card is read by the SD slot. It works exactly like the write protect switch on a floppy disk
[14:14] <IT_Sean> it depends on the SD SLOT to READ the position of it, which the SD slot on the raspi does not do
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[14:14] <double-you> ok
[14:14] <Armand> It's a mechanical system.
[14:14] <double-you> I was just thinking about getting the max out of the sd life by disable writing :-)
[14:15] <IT_Sean> There is no actual physical connection between that switch and the innards of the SD. It's just a gob of plastic that can slide around.
[14:15] <IT_Sean> I wouldn't worry about SD life. By the time you wear out your SD card, the OS will be long obsolete
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[14:17] <IT_Sean> aaaaaaaand it still looks like tomorrow will be the delivery date for my rsapi
[14:17] <IT_Sean> *raspi
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[14:17] <double-you> ok, IT_Sean thank you
[14:17] <Tachyon`> ah, didn't realise there was nothing in the slot to read it
[14:18] <Tachyon`> argh
[14:18] <Tachyon`> I didn't realise that because there's a switch in the slot to read it
[14:18] <IT_Sean> No prob
[14:18] <Tachyon`> I just looked
[14:18] <Tachyon`> maybe the OS ignores it
[14:18] <Tachyon`> but it's there
[14:18] <IT_Sean> Really? You sure about that? My understanding is that the raspi ignores it.
[14:18] <IT_Sean> It may not be wired in, i suppose.
[14:19] <Tachyon`> well, all I did was just eyeball the sd slot now and confirm the switch is there to read the position
[14:19] <Tachyon`> after that, who knows, lol
[14:19] <Tachyon`> the pandora has them and ignores them though so I wouldn't be too surprised to find the pi did too
[14:20] <IT_Sean> http://elinux.org/RPi_Noob_Guide_to_the_Pi_image#SD_Card_Lock_a_heads_up
[14:21] <double-you> heh, nice
[14:21] <Tachyon`> hrm
[14:21] <Tachyon`> that's just wrong
[14:21] <IT_Sean> ?
[14:21] <Tachyon`> well, it might be right
[14:21] <Tachyon`> let me trace the connections
[14:21] <Tachyon`> oh right, I can't
[14:21] <IT_Sean> I'm pretty sure i've heard the same from A Reliable Source
[14:21] <Tachyon`> multilayer baord
[14:21] <Tachyon`> oh well
[14:22] <IT_Sean> You can confirm it easily enough... set your SD card to write locked, then write to it. :p
[14:22] <Tachyon`> all that'll tell me is if the OS pays attention
[14:22] <Tachyon`> I want to know if it's actually wired to anything
[14:23] <Tachyon`> as now I'm curious to see if it is possible to use it at all
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[14:23] <IT_Sean> I rather doubt that it is
[14:23] <Tachyon`> the kernel can be set to ignore it even if it's there
[14:23] <IT_Sean> But, i don't know for sure
[14:23] <Tachyon`> ah welel, I suppose I'll jsut buy the gertboard and hope
[14:24] <IT_Sean> and how for what?
[14:25] <Tachyon`> it deosn't say whether it contains the GPIO cable or the patch wires
[14:25] <Tachyon`> hence my original question, lol
[14:25] <IT_Sean> ooh. I have no idea. Sorry.
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> the new gertboard has no cable.
[14:25] <Tachyon`> argh
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> I think it comes with some jumpers though.
[14:25] <Tachyon`> and thanks
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> The new gertboard doesn't need a cable - it plugs directly on-top of the Pi.
[14:26] <Tachyon`> what
[14:26] <Tachyon`> it won't when I'm done
[14:26] <Tachyon`> who the hell thought that waws a good idea
[14:27] <IT_Sean> i'm guessing.... Gert? :p
[14:27] <Tachyon`> I'd suspect not
[14:27] <IT_Sean> :p
[14:27] <Tachyon`> sounds like farnell skimping on parts if anything
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> I think it was always his plan.
[14:28] <Tachyon`> I'll remove it, add IDC pins and fit a cable
[14:28] <Tachyon`> boards plugging into boards, the horror
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[14:29] <IT_Sean> According to package tracking, my raspi is in Ohio. :|
[14:30] <Tachyon`> ah well, they also sell pin headers as an accessory so I'm clearly not the only person of that mind -.o
[14:30] <Tachyon`> glad I have hot air to get the existing connector off
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> trying to find photos ...
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> I had the very first one that Gert hand-made for a while..
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[14:31] <IT_Sean> you got rid of it?
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[14:31] <IT_Sean> Shoulda kept that... might have been worth something one day. :p
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/x/gert2/IMGP0971.JPG
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> Gert wanted it back.
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> However I have another of the through-hole ones that Gert hand asembled too :)
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> there's lots of photos in that lot: http://unicorn.drogon.net/x/gert2/
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> I'm pretty sure it was Gerts decision and not Farnells too - as gert asked me to take those photos to give to Farnell...
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[14:37] <Tachyon`> ahh
[14:37] <Tachyon`> well, I still very much dislike that idea, lol, mounting it all in a box and it'd be flimsy as anything like that
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[14:42] <lkeijser> Dyskette: sorry for the slow reaction .. thanks for the tip!
[14:42] <Dyskette> No worries :)
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[14:45] <gordonDrogon> I have seen people use cables with the new setup though - it's not hard, you just need the right set of pins.
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> or remove the socket on the Gertboard and replace with a header.
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[15:16] <g0sy> hello everyone
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[15:17] <g0sy> could anyone like to enlighten me on how to insert an external hdd on my raspberrypi and use it as a local network hdd where ppl can put/take whatever they want
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[15:19] <g0sy> would*
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[15:21] <g0sy> is this channel dead :p ?
[15:21] <IT_Sean> it's a bit quiet now
[15:23] <IT_Sean> but no, this channel is usually far from dead
[15:24] <g0sy> hm ok
[15:25] <g0sy> i tried googling my question, and it seems to be a hard task to complete
[15:26] <IT_Sean> Ok, well, for starters, you will need a powered USB hub for the HDD.
[15:26] <IT_Sean> Then, you will want to enable FTP access to it.
[15:26] <g0sy> why ftp?
[15:26] <g0sy> i just want local ppl to acess it
[15:27] <g0sy> access
[15:27] <IT_Sean> ohhhkay... HOW do you want them to access it?
[15:27] <IT_Sean> sneakernet?
[15:28] <Flexnard> guessing what you want is more like what Samba offers.. http://elinux.org/R-Pi_NAS
[15:28] <g0sy> no, by beeing on the same network
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[15:28] <IT_Sean> Okay, then you want to set it up as a NAS.
[15:28] <IT_Sean> I apologize... i thought you were setting up a sort of social dropbox.
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[15:28] <g0sy> Thanks
[15:28] <g0sy> Hehe np IT_Sean
[15:28] <g0sy> The link was very helpful
[15:29] <Flexnard> np
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[15:37] <lkeijser> aw , getting an error in omxplayer: /usr/bin/omxplayer.bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/omxplayer.bin: undefined symbol: vc_tv_get_display_state
[15:37] <pronto> well define the symbol!
[15:37] * lkeijser defines it
[15:37] <pronto> yay
[15:37] <lkeijser> :P
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[15:38] <Cyberworm> hi
[15:39] <Cyberworm> why is my Pi running only with 464.48 MHz ?
[15:39] <lkeijser> aha, according to this site it's a package bug: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=32339&p=283660
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[15:59] <pronto> ...wellthen
[15:59] <pronto> somoene needs to learn2irc
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[16:04] <elek> Cyberworm: check the config file in /boot see if you're underclocking
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[16:15] <pronto> http://i.imgur.com/gIfTXgf.jpg this just looks kidna neat, Pi only connceted to a 4g card :D
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[16:42] <lkeijser> yeeha .. omxplayer rules :D
[16:42] <lkeijser> just needed to reboot with the hdmi cable attached, else I didn't have video
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[16:43] <IT_Sean> lkeijser: HDMI is detected at boot. If it's not plugged in, the Pi defaults tothe composite out.
[16:44] <mgottschlag> is that output detection stuff again a software limitation? I couldn't imagine any reason why it shouldn't support HDMI output detection
[16:45] <IT_Sean> it's part of the boot process. Beyond that, i dunno what to tell ya.
[16:45] <mgottschlag> in the end even if it doesn't support any continuous output detection, it could periodically ask for a monitor over the i2c bus
[16:45] <angelos> you can also force it to use hdmi
[16:46] <IT_Sean> yes, you can force it to use hdmi. But, again, you would have to reboot after making that change.
[16:46] <IT_Sean> you cannot switch between composite and hdmi on the fly.
[16:47] <angelos> ah, didn't sound like he wanted to do that
[16:48] <lkeijser> IT_Sean: thanks
[16:48] * IT_Sean nods
[16:49] <IT_Sean> My raspi should arrive tomorrow. WOOT!
[16:49] <lkeijser> I don't really mind rebooting as it's just for serving music/video for myself
[16:49] <mgottschlag> hm, the tvservice utility seems to have commands to enable/disable hdmi
[16:49] <angelos> well, if you never use the composite, I'd just force hdmi, that way you can just plug and unplug the hdmi cable
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[17:15] <kvarley> Is there a webui or android app that will let me set a file to download onto my raspberry pi?
[17:16] <IT_Sean> automatically? or with manual intervention on both ends?
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[17:24] <Neal_> I wanted to switch from a 4GB sdcard to 32GB. Would duplicating it work? (so i don't have to reinstall everything again)
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[17:26] <beers> Sure, I used that win32image app to backup my card and install it on another card, worked fine. You'd just have to expand the partition afterward
[17:26] <aDro> Neal_ are you on windows?
[17:26] <Neal_> Mac OS
[17:27] <Torikun> OSX Ftw!
[17:27] <IT_Sean> Disk Futility might do it. Take an image of the SD card, then write the image to the new SD card. Again, you'll have to expand the partitioning for the bigger card after.
[17:27] <Neal_> Okay, will try it. Thanks!
[17:28] <aDro> I am not sure what default program on Mac's OS to create an image of an sd card.
[17:28] <IT_Sean> Disk Utility can do that, aDro
[17:28] <Torikun> disk utility is not reocmmend
[17:28] <IT_Sean> No?
[17:28] <Torikun> command line DD is better
[17:28] <IT_Sean> Fair 'nuff
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[17:28] <Torikun> I elarned the hard way
[17:29] <Torikun> diskutiliy can back it up but restoring won't work
[17:29] <aDro> dd is the same in unix and Max OS?
[17:29] <Torikun> Yes
[17:29] <Torikun> you need to unmount it with cli diskutility first
[17:29] <Torikun> then use dd
[17:29] <IT_Sean> aDro: Mac OS X *IS* Unix. so.,.. yes.
[17:29] <aDro> Oh. Still learning
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[17:35] <xiambax> WD RMA department is the worst!
[17:35] <xiambax> I think companies make it as hard as possible for you to warranty something
[17:35] <IT_Sean> Western Digital?
[17:35] <IT_Sean> They are generally all around horrid.
[17:35] <xiambax> yeah
[17:35] <IT_Sean> I refuse to by WD HDDs.
[17:35] <xiambax> drive had a 5 year warranty though
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[17:36] <xiambax> its either seagate or Wd in this world though
[17:36] <xiambax> I like seagate
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[17:36] <aDro> 5 year warrenty, unless you turn it on.
[17:36] <IT_Sean> I've seen Seagate drives with 10 year ones. And Seagate have failed less often for me.
[17:36] <xiambax> but the company i worked for was selling these drives
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[17:36] <nid0> dunno where you live but wd's warranty in europe couldnt be much easier
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[17:37] <nid0> enter drive serial, complete like 3 questions, receive new drive in 2-3 days and send dead drive back in new drive's box
[17:37] <xiambax> http://www.opencompute.org/projects/motherboard-design/ <--- does anyone know what Opencomputer runs on their arm boards?
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[17:38] <xiambax> nid0: mail drive. They receive it, they hold it for several days before making it as received. they sit on it for a few more days, decide to send you a drive. provide you with a tracking number then leave the box to sit for a few more days before they give it to ups.
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[17:38] <xiambax> Im at the state where i am waiting for ups to get it
[17:38] <beers> Eh, with all the problems of Seagate in the 1.5 TB era and toning down their warranty to 2 years they don't seem that greatly viable either.
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[17:39] <nid0> xiambax: speak for yourself, I always get my replacement drives before sending the dead one back, in the box the new one came in (as I just said)
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[17:39] <xiambax> I don't have a CC
[17:39] <nid0> bummer
[17:39] <xiambax> I refuse
[17:39] <xiambax> Debt = Enslavement
[17:39] <beers> It's only debt if you use it irresponsibly.
[17:39] <IT_Sean> having a CC doesn't = debt, unless you are irresponsible with it...
[17:40] <nid0> i've had a credit card for 11 years and have never had a penny of debt on it
[17:40] <xiambax> Yes and no. I hate paying interest too.
[17:40] <nid0> its your problem if you're crap at paying it on time
[17:40] <nid0> interest?
[17:40] <IT_Sean> I have a CC that autopays every month out of my checking account. I use it for fuel and groceries.
[17:40] <nid0> you only pay interest if you have debt on it
[17:40] <nid0> and it only has debt on it if you're irresponsible at paying it off
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[17:40] <IT_Sean> I pay no interest or fees, 'cause i pay on time, every time.
[17:40] <beers> Plus a lot of cards have rewards on them, so it can turn out being cheaper than just paying straight up for everything
[17:40] <nid0> ditto
[17:41] <xiambax> I moved out at a young age and was never taught money management so I'm bad with money.
[17:41] <nid0> I pay 0 for my credit card, and end up with about ??80 of amazon vouchers every year just for using it
[17:41] <xiambax> I became debt free a year ago and now have a savings account
[17:41] <IT_Sean> In the past year, i've gotten about $14 in cashback rewards, just for carrying a bit of plastic in my pocket, and using it to pay for fuel.
[17:41] <Torikun> thats small
[17:41] <IT_Sean> I don't buy a lot of fuel.
[17:41] <IT_Sean> :p
[17:41] <Torikun> lol
[17:41] <IT_Sean> My commute to work is about 6 minutes.
[17:42] <Torikun> nice
[17:42] <IT_Sean> It's really all i use it for. Everything else (utility bills, internet, etc..) all autopays directly from my cehcking account.
[17:42] <IT_Sean> I keep the CC for emergencies, since you need one to rent a car, buy airline tickets, etc...
[17:42] <Torikun> Yup
[17:42] <xiambax> or RMA harddrives ;)
[17:42] <Torikun> I use my credit card for everythign to get points
[17:43] <IT_Sean> But... it's basically $14 that only cost me a pocket in my wallet. :p
[17:43] <IT_Sean> I did put my raspi on it.
[17:43] <IT_Sean> so, that'll be a bigger than usual bill.
[17:43] <Torikun> on your credit card?
[17:43] <Torikun> lol
[17:43] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[17:43] <IT_Sean> Why is that funny?
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[17:43] <Torikun> I read it as loading it on your credit card
[17:43] <beers> I pay my rent with a card, and then pay it off once it hits. It's like ~$12/mo in cashback rewards
[17:43] <xiambax> I used my bosses CC to order 3 more RPi's
[17:43] <IT_Sean> It's all the same money, from the same account.
[17:44] <IT_Sean> xiambax: does he know?
[17:44] <Torikun> *installing raspi on credit card I meant
[17:44] <IT_Sean> no, i meant i PAYED for my raspi with it
[17:44] <Torikun> i know lol
[17:44] <xiambax> IT_Sean: hahaha, Yes he knows
[17:44] <xiambax> I gave him cash
[17:45] <xiambax> I like cash. Prefer it
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[17:45] <zilog> why do you need a CC for RMAing a HDD?
[17:45] <beers> advance replacement usually requires a CC
[17:45] <xiambax> for the fast replacement option
[17:45] <nid0> advance rma's need a cc
[17:46] <zilog> ah, ok
[17:46] <zilog> i take the "suffer for a few weeks" option
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[17:47] <xiambax> Suffering sucks.
[17:47] <xiambax> I hate waiting for stuff in the mail
[17:47] <xiambax> My first RPi i ordered on amazon cause I couldn't wait weeks for newark to fill my backorder
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[17:48] <zilog> i had to RMA my desktop graphics card a few weeks ago - very annoying when you don't have a spare, but fortunately i was able to borrow one from work
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[17:50] <beers> I wish my work lent out hardware. I had to swipe a stick of RAM from a computer in the closet for my workstation since the 2 GiB given was pretty lethargic for the amount of crap I have open
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[17:52] <Hodapp> I used to have to do 3D CAD work on a workstation with a Pentium III and 512 MB RAM... this was in 2008.
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[17:54] <beers> eep
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[17:56] <Hodapp> ...guess which co-op job I didn't stay at :)
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[17:58] <zilog> beers: it was nothing official, just one of the benefits of working in IT :)
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[18:04] <beers> At least they are lax about it. At the places I've worked, if you even longingly looked a a Cisco device they'd get all paranoid about theft
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[18:11] <markit> I've set frequency to 1000, rebooted but cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq shows still 700000... does it "go up" only under load?
[18:12] <mgottschlag> depends on which cpu governor is sekected
[18:12] <mgottschlag> *selected
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[18:15] <markit> mgottschlag: what do you mean?
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[18:16] <markit> raspi-config -> set overclock
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[18:18] <markit> mm I see, probably I've an old config.txt file, now there is force_turbo parameter
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[18:21] <Hopsy> where can I see the changes of those images http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[18:21] <Hopsy> I have the 2012-12-16 version
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[18:28] <xiambax> http://www.metaxy.ca:8000/listen.m3u who wants to test my nicecast?
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[18:30] <cyclick2> it works xiambax
[18:30] <xiambax> audio quality?
[18:30] <cyclick2> good, but bad music;)
[18:31] <xiambax> What would you prefer the dj playeR?
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[18:32] <cyclick2> much better
[18:32] <cyclick2> gotta go bye
[18:33] <xiambax> I wonder if it would be possible to take shairport, take the audio it outputs and pipe that into a ice cast or shout cast server
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[18:51] <Torikun> https://www.box.com/signup/o/dell_50gb_give_get
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[18:51] <Torikun> Special offer from hacker news on box.com!
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[18:56] <g0sy> hm
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[19:15] <josteint> Hi! Has anyone here had any luck installing Slackware ARM on the latest Raspberry Pi?
[19:15] <josteint> I've installed the raspi-slack-installer_01Aug12.img.xz to a 32 GB SanDisk card using xz and dd, but when I boot the card it displays a gradient CMYK image on the screen. No text at all. The Raspbian wheezy works fine, though
[19:16] <ParkerR> josteint, Try redownloading, reextracting, and reflashing
[19:16] <josteint> Actually tried it three times
[19:16] <Torikun> verify md5?
[19:17] <Torikun> are you dding to the partition or whole device?
[19:17] <josteint> mm.. no :/
[19:17] <josteint> let me check
[19:17] <ParkerR> Post the command you are using too
[19:17] <ParkerR> *comands
[19:17] <ParkerR> *commands
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[19:20] <josteint> yep. shasum reports the same value as the included sha1 file
[19:20] <josteint> i'm using: dd if=ArmedSlack-13.37-23-05-2012.img of=/dev/disk4 bs=1m
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[19:21] <josteint> sd card is disk4 from 'diskutil list' from os x
[19:21] <josteint> Also did try to dd the image to sd card from a linux slackware machine. same result
[19:22] <Torikun> dd if=image of=/dev/disk4
[19:22] <Hodapp> I am continually surprised at all the things that run on the Pi...
[19:22] <Torikun> ok your doign that right
[19:22] <Torikun> try another image lol
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[19:22] <josteint> I just got the Pi. could it be incompatible with that slackarm image?
[19:23] <Flexnard> is the new card a SanDisk? (the one your attempting to install slackware) not that it matters but I ended up taking my Sandisk out of my camera because I couldn't get the pny card to work for crap with the PI
[19:23] <Torikun> I would try another distro like arch or raspian
[19:23] <Torikun> just to ensure the pi works
[19:23] <josteint> no other image... well, there are already installed images with slackware 13.37, 14 and current. tried all!, but nothing happens when I boot. again, the raspbian wheezy is working perfectly fine
[19:24] <josteint> Torikun: yes, raspian is fine
[19:24] <Torikun> wow
[19:24] <Torikun> is theres a slackware-arm channel
[19:24] <josteint> not sure... checking
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[19:25] <Torikun> do you have to compile everything on slack?
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[19:25] <josteint> there is a slackware channel. i'll try asking there
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[19:25] <josteint> Torikun: yes, thats usually the way but there is slackpkg
[19:25] <Flexnard> #armedslack
[19:26] <josteint> thanks, Flexnard
[19:26] <Flexnard> np
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[19:27] <t3ch> hello all, i have only this files on boot
[19:27] <t3ch> bootcode.bin fixup_cd.dat issue.txt start_cd.elf
[19:27] <t3ch> cmdline.txt fixup.dat kernel_emergency.img start.elf
[19:27] <t3ch> config.txt fixup_x.dat kernel.img start_x.elf
[19:27] <t3ch> where can i fidn boot_enable_ssh.rc
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[19:27] <t3ch> or it must start by default
[19:27] <ParkerR> Does anyone have wpa_gui working on their Raspbian install? I am in the netdev group, /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf has the netdev line, but when I launch wpa_gui as either normal user or as root I get "Could not get status from wpa_supplicant"
[19:29] <t3ch> if i check rc*.d there exists ssh
[19:30] <t3ch> and i have set static ip in interfaces
[19:30] <t3ch> but cant connect.. :x
[19:30] <ParkerR> t3ch, Try sudo updaterc.d sshd defaults
[19:30] <t3ch> :)
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[19:30] <t3ch> dont have monitor
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[19:30] <t3ch> maybe blind
[19:31] <t3ch> and just put keyboard in
[19:31] <t3ch> uu
[19:31] <ParkerR> t3ch, update-rc.d actally
[19:31] <t3ch> hm
[19:31] <ParkerR> *actually
[19:31] <t3ch> will try
[19:31] <ParkerR> t3ch, Well for a surefire way to start it up to sudo service sshd start
[19:31] <ParkerR> * ssh not sshd
[19:32] <t3ch> ok
[19:32] <t3ch> how long it take to boot?
[19:32] <ParkerR> It should be started
[19:34] <t3ch> on keyboard lights will not shine ?
[19:34] <t3ch> because they are not
[19:35] <ParkerR> t3ch, Wifi or ethernet?
[19:35] <t3ch> i am trying to use ethernet
[19:35] <t3ch> i have set static ip in interfaces to mount the sdcard and edit on my computer
[19:36] <ParkerR> It should light up as soon as you supply power. What is your power supply rated at?
[19:37] <t3ch> from computer usb to mini usb in raspberry
[19:38] <angelos> your computer's usb might only supply 0.5A, which is not enough
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[19:39] <t3ch> now i havemore lights
[19:39] <t3ch> maybe it will work
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[19:40] <josteint> Torikun: ah... :) http://lists.armedslack.org/pipermail/armedslack/2013-February/001528.html
[19:41] <josteint> Torikun: Finally sometime with the same issue. I think I can take it from there
[19:41] * Torikun laiods
[19:41] <Torikun> ah good
[19:41] <Eliatrope> I've got a question about XQuery
[19:41] <Eliatrope> There was an example in the demo showing construction like "where some $var in ... satisfies <condition>" is it possible to change that to something like "where 3 $var in ..."?
[19:41] <Eliatrope> thus changing "some" to "at least 3"?
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[19:42] <Torikun> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/n900-slice-raspberry-pi?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+linuxjournalcom+%28Linux+Journal+-+The+Original+Magazine+of+the+Linux+Community%29
[19:43] <Eliatrope> oops, wrong channel :)
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[19:50] <t3ch> now i see it
[19:50] <t3ch> :))
[19:50] <t3ch> on iftop
[19:50] <t3ch> :)
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[19:51] <t3ch> juhuuu
[19:51] <t3ch> working
[19:51] <t3ch> :)
[19:54] <t3ch> that is normal that is readonly file system? cant apt-get update ?
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[19:56] <t3ch> hm and cant edit interfaces etc?
[19:56] <t3ch> what am i doing wrong :)?
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[20:03] <t3ch> ok i have rebooted and no more readonly
[20:03] <t3ch> :)
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[20:06] <linuxstb> t3ch: Linux normally remounts filesystems readonly if it detects an error. Presumably the error was fixed when you rebooted.
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[20:13] <Hopsy> anyone familiar with iptables?
[20:18] <Torikun> Yes
[20:18] <Torikun> I can try to help
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[20:19] <Torikun> Hopsy: http://code.google.com/p/mephistobackup/source/browse/branches/server/firewall That is my SVN for my firewall script . Hope it helps
[20:19] <Hopsy> Torikun: well I am trying to masquerade my wlan0 to eth0
[20:19] <Hopsy> this is what I have so far: http://puu.sh/21vP4
[20:20] <Torikun> Try this #iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE #openvpn
[20:20] <Hopsy> I guess I did something wrong
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[20:20] <pecorade> Hi.
[20:20] <Hopsy> Torikun: I dont get the port, whats that port related to?
[20:21] <Torikun> do a postrouting for the wifi network
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[20:21] <Torikun> see if that works
[20:21] <Torikun> ensure ip forwarding is enabled with sysctl
[20:21] <Hopsy> this is my static ip: http://puu.sh/21vT9
[20:21] <Hopsy> wait
[20:21] <Hopsy> yes its on
[20:22] <Torikun> so wifi network is the same hmmmm
[20:22] <Torikun> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE
[20:22] <Torikun> Maybe that will work
[20:22] <Hopsy> http://puu.sh/21vVB
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[20:23] <Hopsy> and this is the other one: http://puu.sh/21vWS
[20:23] <Hopsy> I dont see much differences :p
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[20:24] <Hopsy> @ Torikun
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[20:25] <Torikun> so wifi network ip start at 10.0.0.x
[20:25] <Torikun> your forward policy is DROP
[20:25] <Hopsy> Torikun: I seriously dont know
[20:25] <Torikun> clear your rules
[20:25] <Torikun> change forward to ACCEPT
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[20:27] <Torikun> download my script and change the NAT line
[20:27] <Torikun> and run it
[20:27] <Hopsy> yes puu.sh/21w3f
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[20:27] <Torikun> your rules show DROP
[20:28] <Torikun> FORWARD = DROP for soem reason
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[20:29] <Hopsy> how do I find the ip address of my wifi network? I cant find it here http://puu.sh/21w5O
[20:29] <Torikun> ifconfig
[20:30] <Hopsy> the controll panel is on 192.168.178.1
[20:30] <Torikun> your wifi not connected
[20:30] <Torikun> no address listed
[20:31] <Torikun> no IP and access point
[20:31] <Torikun> brb lunch
[20:31] <Hopsy> okay
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[20:33] <t3ch> what is gpu and why it need memory?
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[20:34] <|Jeroen|> its the video card
[20:34] <t3ch> ok then i can set to 16
[20:34] <|Jeroen|> it needs memory to decode movies etc
[20:34] <|Jeroen|> if you don't need to play movies or x you can
[20:34] <t3ch> if i run only ssh then i dont need that
[20:34] <t3ch> ok
[20:34] <|Jeroen|> indeed
[20:35] <t3ch> cool everything working for now
[20:35] <t3ch> :)
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[20:37] <t3ch> how to remove all x programs, games etc? any good line for that
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[20:39] <Hopsy> is this correct? http://puu.sh/21wph
[20:39] <mjr> off the cuff removing libx11-6 (or what was the package name in raspbian) should remove pretty much any X client with it
[20:41] <t3ch> ok will try to search with aptitude
[20:41] <martk100> What is the difference between archlinux-hf-2013-01-22 and archlinux-hf-2013-2-11?
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[20:43] <b03tz> Hi y'all, anyone have an idea how to get w1-gpio in the kernel if it isn't there by default?
[20:43] <b03tz> modprobe gives me a fatal error module not found
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[20:43] <b03tz> Can I install it somehow?
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[20:44] <b03tz> gordonDrogon, hey man... :) you have any idea?
[20:44] <t3ch> libx11-6 remove a lot of x stuff nice
[20:44] <t3ch> :)
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[21:01] <t3ch> is possible to upgrade distro to squeezy ?
[21:01] <t3ch> squeeze
[21:02] <ParkerR> t3ch, That would be a downgrade...
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[21:02] <ParkerR> Squeeze is getting old and outdated. Raspbian uses Debian Wheezy
[21:03] <t3ch> ow didnt know that
[21:04] <ParkerR> I just noticed you said "squeezy" haha
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[21:04] <t3ch> :)
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[21:05] <t3ch> cool wlan work too
[21:05] <t3ch> in debian it didnt worked
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[21:05] <t3ch> ralink
[21:05] <t3ch> juhu
[21:06] <t3ch> now i have everything to put camera on my dog
[21:06] <t3ch> :)
[21:06] <|Jeroen|> why
[21:06] <ParkerR> t3ch, Heh thanks for the idea
[21:06] <ParkerR> |Jeroen|, Dogs point of view
[21:06] <netw1z> hey guys, im getting a mmcblk0 error -110 when i boot up
[21:06] <t3ch> because someone is giving him something
[21:06] <netw1z> does that mean my card is toast?>
[21:07] <ParkerR> netw1z, May onyl need a reflash
[21:07] <ParkerR> *only
[21:07] <|Jeroen|> maby its better to attach it to you wife then
[21:07] <|Jeroen|> would be more intresting
[21:07] <Torikun> Hopsy: back
[21:07] <netw1z> gotcha, anything i can try before i reflash?
[21:07] <Hopsy> wb
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[21:08] <Torikun> where we at Hopsy
[21:08] <Hopsy> http://puu.sh/21wph
[21:08] <Hopsy> here
[21:08] <|Jeroen|> you can't fash a pi
[21:08] <|Jeroen|> l
[21:09] <Hopsy> Torikun: it was right, my pi disconnected for some reasons
[21:09] <netw1z> i take it you mean just copying a new copy over to the SD card and starting from scratch
[21:09] <Hopsy> its now connected
[21:09] <netw1z> it drops to a KDB> prompt
[21:09] <Torikun> ok
[21:09] <netw1z> PANIC no init found.
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[21:09] <Hopsy> Torikun: should it work?
[21:09] <Torikun> Try it
[21:09] <Hopsy> I dont see any dfferents
[21:10] <Torikun> wifi is on same network as ethernet right?
[21:10] <Hopsy> Torikun: http://puu.sh/21xmG
[21:11] <Torikun> so no
[21:11] <Torikun> ?
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[21:11] <Hopsy> no
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[21:13] <Hopsy> Torikun: soo :p
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[21:15] <t3ch> :)
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[21:38] <Shaan> hey guys how can i make the raspberry pi come online by itself via wifi rather then ethernet interface
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[21:39] <t3ch> iwconfig wlan0 essid "YOUR_ESSID" & dhclient wlan0
[21:39] <t3ch> put that to script.sh
[21:40] <t3ch> update-rc.d add script.sh defaults
[21:40] <t3ch> if you dont have passwd
[21:40] <t3ch> if you have use wpa_supplicant
[21:40] <t3ch> :)
[21:40] <Shaan> thanks
[21:41] <t3ch> something like that
[21:41] <t3ch> np
[21:41] <t3ch> :)
[21:41] <Hopsy> Torikun: are you still here?
[21:41] <Torikun> on a call with a customer
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[21:41] <t3ch> if you have pass: wpa_passphrase "YOUR_ESSID" "yourpassword" > your.conf
[21:41] <t3ch> wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c your.conf
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[21:42] <t3ch> and then dhclient of corse
[21:43] <t3ch> and change etc/network/interfaces so it fits to your configuration..
[21:44] <chithead> Shaan: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK
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[22:02] <_ember> I just installed DS1307 on my RPi, I managed to see it in i2cdetect at 0x68, but when I install the drivers and try to hwclock -r I get:
[22:02] <_ember> hwclock: Timed out waiting for time change.
[22:02] <_ember> hwclock: The Hardware CLock registers contain values that are either invalid (e.g. 50th dat of month) or beyond the range we can handle (e.g. Year 2095)
[22:02] <_ember> hwclock --print --debug generaly tells that synchroziation failed.
[22:02] <_ember> any ideas? thanks in advance :)
[22:05] <necr0tik> So I am on my third charger now. This one has to be solid. I am still getting usb restarting itself 2-3 times before dieing completely after working fine for 2-3 minutes after boot. This ofcourse losses the USB port as well as lan. Does it with nothing plugged in, or everything plugged in.
[22:07] <chithead> do you have anything plugged into the usb port? tried a powered hub yet?
[22:07] <necr0tik> Nothing in hub, only have two powered hubs. those dont work either.
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[22:12] <Scriven> Anyone have experience with command-line gpio use? Still trying to figure out the differences between command-line gpio failures but wiringPi python success w/ gpio pins.
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[22:15] <Weaselweb> Scriven: you mean /sys/class/gpio/?
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[22:18] <Torikun> Hopsy: ok back
[22:19] <Torikun> so your wireless is on a seperate router from ethernet network and you want to forward the wireless network to the ethernet
[22:19] <Hopsy> Torikun: whats wrong with this? http://puu.sh/21z7r
[22:19] <Torikun> What is the network for wlan0 ?
[22:20] <Torikun> is 192.168.1.x ethernet?
[22:20] <zleap> wlan0 is wireless i think
[22:20] <Torikun> yeah
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[22:20] <zleap> ether net is eth0
[22:20] <Torikun> Yes
[22:20] <tonsit> would depend on your router/dhcp settings
[22:20] <zleap> if you look at ifconfig
[22:21] <Hopsy> wlan0 is 192.168.175.15
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[22:21] <Torikun> you have iptables rule POSTCONFIG for 192.168.175.0/24
[22:21] <Hopsy> Torikun: something is wrong with this: http://puu.sh/21z7r
[22:21] <Torikun> *POSTROUTE
[22:22] <Hopsy> my internal network address does not match the network address in my firewall rules
[22:22] <Hopsy> so I need to change something, but what?!
[22:22] <Torikun> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.175.0/24 -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE
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[22:23] <Torikun> flush your rules first
[22:23] <Scriven> Weaselweb, no, I mean the gpio command-line program directly. just trying to make an LED flash w/ it instead of wiringpi.
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[22:31] <Muzer> huh.... is there anywhere documenting the 2012 board revision? I just got a free pi today, there look like there are quite a few changes compared to my original one.
[22:31] <Muzer> (I'm assuming there's nothing important but I'm interested nonetheless)
[22:32] <KiltedPi> write 0
[22:32] <KiltedPi> write 1
[22:32] <KiltedPi> etc, Scriven?
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[22:33] <KiltedPi> between the model A and model B, Muzer?
[22:33] <IT_Sean> I think he means a rev 1 vs rev 2
[22:33] <KiltedPi> Model A is 256 mb of RAM.
[22:33] <Scriven> KiltedPi, yes, that.
[22:33] <KiltedPi> oh, kk
[22:33] <Scriven> with Rev 1 (256mb) board.
[22:33] <KiltedPi> Never heard of Revision 1/2...
[22:33] <KiltedPi> :/
[22:34] <KiltedPi> The model A has wicked low power consumption and less RAM tho
[22:34] <IT_Sean> Muzer: A Model A has no ethernet, and 1 USB port. A Model B has ethernet and 2 USB ports. Also, the A has less RAM.
[22:34] <KiltedPi> so is good for ROBOTZ
[22:34] <KiltedPi> Didn't know that either sean!
[22:34] * IT_Sean should be getting his new Model B tomorrow. :D
[22:34] <Torikun> i can has more ram?
[22:34] <Torikun> finally IT_Sean =)
[22:34] <KiltedPi> no ethernet?
[22:34] <IT_Sean> lol
[22:34] <KiltedPi> makes sense.
[22:34] <IT_Sean> KiLaHuRtZ: the Model A has no ethernet.
[22:35] <IT_Sean> A = no enet, 1 USB. B= Enet & 2 USB
[22:35] <KiltedPi> No point cabling my ROBOTZ into an RJ45 in a wall!
[22:35] <IT_Sean> the A also has less RAM than the B
[22:35] <IT_Sean> But uses less powah
[22:35] <KiltedPi> Robotz!
[22:35] <Torikun> IRC Bots!
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[22:36] <KiltedPi> They're still trimming less power too apparently.
[22:36] <Muzer> no
[22:36] <KiltedPi> out the Model A.
[22:36] <Muzer> not model A and model B
[22:36] <Torikun> Its easy to consume less power with half the features
[22:36] <Muzer> between 2011 model B and 2012 model B
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[22:36] <Muzer> the 2012 model B seems to have a rearranged board layout slightly
[22:36] <KiltedPi> roger that.
[22:36] <Muzer> eg and it has ACT instead of OK on the silkscreen
[22:36] <Muzer> (and 10M corrected to 100)
[22:37] <Muzer> and more holes :P
[22:37] <Muzer> (seems to have mounting holes for screws or something)
[22:37] <Torikun> Soon terrorists will be buying pi's for low-cost/power bomb
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[22:38] <Torikun> Jack Bauer will be the Pi Killer
[22:38] <Muzer> what I do know is that my free Pi has more RAM than my old one
[22:38] <Muzer> that's well-documented
[22:38] <Muzer> what I'm more interested to know is what the extra empty headers are for, for instance
[22:39] <Muzer> and why the header was removed from P2
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[22:41] <piney0> p2 headers were there on accident. they forgot to take them out of the build sheet when it went to manufacturing
[22:42] <piney0> p6 (i believe p6, the ones next to p1) add 4 gpio pins, some 3v3, 5v and ground
[22:42] <Muzer> P6 is the one next to the voltage regulator
[22:42] <Muzer> I dunno what the one next to P1 is
[22:42] <Muzer> it's unlabelled
[22:42] <piney0> they were added when hardware board revision/serial? was removed (never used)
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[22:43] <piney0> there is a 2 pin header next to the hdmi port, thats for a reset switch
[22:43] <Muzer> ah, yes, that's P6 then
[22:43] <Muzer> (it's also next to the voltage regulator :P)
[22:44] <piney0> i don't have a rev2 in front of me :)
[22:44] <Muzer> that's cool, a reset switch might be useful for some applications
[22:44] <piney0> yea, i like that feature
[22:44] <Muzer> the connectors for camera and screen seem more solid too
[22:44] <Muzer> in that they click nicer
[22:44] <IT_Sean> Muzer: ooohaky, you are talking about rev 1 vs rev 2. Rev 2 added more ram, removed the USB polyfuses, and added mounting holes.
[22:44] <Muzer> ah, yeah
[22:44] <Muzer> I noticed the fuses were gone
[22:45] <piney0> the header next to p1 is made to be mounted on the bottom side. there can be clearance issues if mounted on top
[22:45] <Muzer> incidentally out of interest, I assume now that the serial number sticker is gone there's now no externally-visible identifying features, or am I wrong?
[22:46] <piney0> I never had a serial number sticker on mine
[22:46] <piney0> or the packaging either
[22:46] <Muzer> oh, odd
[22:46] <Muzer> my rev1 has one
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[22:46] <Muzer> sticker next to the SD slo
[22:46] <Muzer> t
[22:46] <Muzer> (on the back)
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[22:46] <IT_Sean> I think the rev 1s, or the early rev 1s at least, had SN stickers.
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[22:47] <piney0> hmm, maybe mine does. (it's double side taped to something so i cant check)
[22:48] <Scriven> KiltedPi, one of the other differences between rev 1/2 model B boards is gpio pin mapping, IIRC. They've changed the pins some on the newer ones.
[22:48] <Muzer> anyway, came as a bit of a surprise to me when I got this, I didn't realise there was more than one board revision
[22:48] <IT_Sean> Yes, some of the pins got moved for rev 2
[22:48] <Muzer> I suppose I should have known though.
[22:48] <Muzer> Scriven: oh, thanks, that really is good to know
[22:48] <Muzer> is there some site/other docs that will tell me? I don't remember seeing anything that applied to more than one revision differently
[22:49] <Scriven> Muzer, yw. there is a page mapping the differences, but I can't remember which site I saw it on now.
[22:49] <Scriven> elinux one maybe.
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[22:49] <Scriven> Muzer, http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[22:49] <Muzer> ah, thanks muchly
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[22:50] <Scriven> yw
[22:50] <Muzer> yeah. I bet I'm going to like the increased RAM though
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[22:50] <Scriven> I bet you are too. All of mine are Rev 1, I tried to get in the very first batch but was one of the ones instead trapped in multiple waiting lists for 6 months.
[22:51] <Muzer> Scriven: I did that
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[22:51] <Scriven> Got my Rev 1 a week before Rev 2 were announced as 'now shipping w/ all orders and Moar Ram"....
[22:51] <Muzer> heh
[22:51] <Torikun> lol
[22:51] <Muzer> I got mine after that was announced, I got in so late
[22:51] <Muzer> but it was still one of the old ones
[22:51] <Muzer> :P
[22:51] <Scriven> I've been following rpi for like 3 years, waiting for it to be ready. ;)
[22:51] <Muzer> piney0: FWIW that page says the one next to p1 is called p5, for future reference.
[22:51] <Scriven> So anyone want to buy a Rev 1? Collectors Item! :D
[22:51] <Torikun> Scriven: waitign 3 years for 10 year old technology
[22:51] <Torikun> lol
[22:51] <Scriven> Torikun, exactly!
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[22:52] <Scriven> May actually get an odroid to try as well actually. ;)
[22:53] <Muzer> so if P5 is a useful header why is it unpopulated?
[22:53] <Muzer> or was it too expensive to put a header on the back?
[22:53] <IT_Sean> I ordered last week.
[22:53] <IT_Sean> Getting it tomorrow.
[22:53] <Scriven> IT_Sean, an odroid?
[22:53] <IT_Sean> ... my Pi.
[22:53] <IT_Sean> I'm talking about my pi
[22:54] <Scriven> ok, lol just making sure
[22:54] <IT_Sean> o_O
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[22:54] <Muzer> I've had a lot of fun with mine already, though I am sceptical on whether or not the whole education thing will happen.
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[22:55] <Scriven> I dunno, I've already learned stuff w/ it I never had b4. direct gpio communication is kinda cool, seeing that led blink the way you want on purpose.
[22:56] <Muzer> indeed, I'm not doubting it can teach you things - I'm doubting the whole Pis used in classes to teach school children to program thing ;)
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[23:02] <Muzer> also, isn't the headphone jack on the rev 2 Pi the wrong colour? It's light blue (line in) rather than lime green (stereo out)
[23:04] <SHNSH> Hi, on my Rev2 the headphone jack is black
[23:04] <Muzer> huh
[23:04] <Muzer> on my rev 1 it's black
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[23:04] <Muzer> did they just choose random colours from the factory? ;)
[23:04] <SHNSH> lol perhaps...
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[23:05] <SHNSH> Someone knows where the pi cam will be connect on ? GPIO ? P5??!
[23:06] <Muzer> nah, one of the two ribbon cable connectors
[23:06] <Muzer> (I forget which)
[23:06] <SHNSH> Oh yeah ok thanks !
[23:06] <Muzer> S2 or S5
[23:06] <Muzer> ah, it's S5
[23:07] <Muzer> S2 is for the currently-nonexistent LCD screen ;)
[23:07] <SHNSH> Ok thanks ;)
[23:07] <SHNSH> lol
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[23:10] <pa1983> hello
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[23:13] <waver_> Hello all!
[23:13] <waver_> I've started recently doing work with WebIOPi, is anyone else using this project?
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[23:16] <pa1983> I have a question. I got my pi to day and I wounder is fbdev the current standard driver to use with xorg or is there a working accelerated driver out there thats relativly stable. I found some guides for a driver under development. OR is the only way to use OpenGL ES to have apps that directly can use it like the quake3 port people are running?
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[23:25] <shiftplusone> pa1983, I don't know the specifics, but whatever raspbian uses seems to have some patches to help speed things up. The performance there is much better than what it was when the pi just came out. I don't know if they're using the standard fbdev driver and the optimization was done elsewhere or if it's a special driver. If you're using arch, then fbdev is the way to go. There is an accelerated d
[23:25] <shiftplusone> river in the works, but it's experimental at this stage. elinux.org/RPi_Xorg_rpi_Driver
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[23:31] <plugwash> There isn't any actual acceleration per-se afaict. IIRC they did rewrite some memory copying and filling code though (and hacked it in through a library called raspi-copies-and-fills)
[23:32] <pa1983> it was the rpi xorg driver I read about. I use gentoo so I supose I will add the frame buffer driver to my use flags for xorg
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[23:33] <pa1983> I was hoping for some gpu offloading. I was under the impression that there where. But I learn more about the more I install on it :P
[23:33] <shiftplusone> plugwash, so is the actual driver modified or is all the optimisation done in the official firmware and modules?
[23:34] <pa1983> I also suffer from the USB 2.0 latency bug in the hub so my keyboards commands is not getting trough so keys keep repeating so I had to sett it to usb 1.1 atm. Bit uf a bummer for the lan part
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[23:34] <pa1983> I read there is a patched kernel in the works for the keyaboard problems people hare having. Will in the official git once its done?
[23:34] <shiftplusone> pa1983, check the forum, there is a thread called something like accelerated xorg driver testing which has all the info of what the problems are. It seems that there's a limit to what can be offloaded to the gpu and that X is inherently a cpu hog.
[23:35] <plugwash> iirc it's done through a shared library and LD_PRELOAD or something
[23:35] <pa1983> shiftplusone, yes I read that to in that thread. But google thends to give me 8 months old forum hits to :P
[23:35] <plugwash> but i'm not positive on the details
[23:35] <shiftplusone> thanks
[23:35] <shiftplusone> pa1983, is it the keyboard fix a community thing or is it done by the foundation folks?
[23:36] <pa1983> Well onmce I get it running I shuld be able to try the rpi xorg driver, shuld be easy enoug to switch between them in xorg.conf if theres trouble
[23:36] <pa1983> shiftplusone, well Im new to this so I dont know. See if I have that tab up in the browser
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[23:37] <shiftplusone> fair enough. First time I am hearing of it and would like to know what that's about.
[23:38] <pa1983> shiftplusone, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=9331&start=50 search for gsh his the moderator posting about it
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[23:39] <shiftplusone> that's over a year old, heh
[23:39] <shiftplusone> oh nvrm, I looked at the 'joined' date
[23:39] <pa1983> shiftplusone, well I got my pi to day and I was anoyed that the keyboard didnt want to work and apparently theres some latency in the usb hub or somthing and wireless keyboards with there added latency aggravates the problem from what I can tell
[23:39] <pa1983> was it not februare 4:e or somthing so a patch is at least a week out?
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[23:39] <pa1983> Keyboard works fine on my stationary i7 3930K
[23:40] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't put any faith in estimates like that, but yeah, that sound promising.
[23:40] <pa1983> works fine on the pi in usb 1.1 mode
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[23:41] <pa1983> well I totally missed that usb sucked so much on the pi. I know all about the "do not hotplug on the new boards" and the limited power but I went with a 2.1A USB adapter so that leaves 400mha and the keyboards dongle use 50mha
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[23:42] <chithead> 2.1A won't help at all. the input fuse is rated 700mA
[23:42] <pa1983> I dont know what the micro usb dongel uses. Its on of those that are 4mm high not counting the usb connector but signal is no more then 100mW for fireless so I would supose im still under those 400mW budget I have
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[23:42] <Torikun> anyone get LVM root filesystem ?
[23:42] <pa1983> chickens, was it not rated at 1100mAh I was under the impression the model-b uses 700mAh
[23:42] <shiftplusone> Anyone happen to know if the usb driver is tricky because of the bcm chip or the lan/usb chip?
[23:43] <ParkerR> shiftplusone, Tricky?
[23:43] <pa1983> so 400mAh budget. The old boards hade 140mAh fuses but the fuses them selfs drops the voltage makeing any more then 50mAh almost uselss
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[23:43] <pa1983> I figure the 2.1A would make sure I maintain 5V at least even at 1.1A loads
[23:43] <shiftplusone> ParkerR, yeah, there are some hardware limitations which they have to work around in software which is causing a lot of issues is what I gather. Don't know the specifics though.
[23:44] <ParkerR> shiftplusone, I haven't had any USb issues.
[23:44] <ParkerR> *USB
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[23:44] <shiftplusone> ParkerR, a lot of people haven't, a lot of people have. There's a bit of luck involved
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[23:45] <ParkerR> shiftplusone, What issues have people been having? I think it's mostly just low amperage power supples
[23:45] <ParkerR> *supplies
[23:45] <pa1983> chithead, it sees 1.1A fuse on the raspberry pi wikipedia page
[23:45] <shiftplusone> ParkerR, again, don't know the specifics. There's a few usb threads on the forum though. A bit too long for me to bother reading them, since I don't have much of an issue there myself.
[23:46] <pa1983> and the board stock maxes at 700mAh so 400mAh shuld be avalible for usb
[23:46] <ParkerR> shiftplusone, Ahh ok.
[23:46] <af1> im going to start trying to learn C!
[23:46] <af1> difficult for a simpleton like myself
[23:46] <shiftplusone> af1, it's pretty straight forward. Pick up "The C programming language" by K&R and go from there.
[23:47] <af1> i shall
[23:47] <pa1983> ebook?
[23:47] <shiftplusone> pa1983, that doesn't sound right to me. There was a mistake in the schematics that said the fuse was something like 1.2A, in reality it's much less than that.
[23:48] <shiftplusone> pa1983, the stock model b board uses around 350mA and the fuse will start to trip around 750mA afaik.
[23:48] <pa1983> shiftplusone, okay any link so I can read about it?
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[23:48] <pa1983> they recomed a 1A powersupply
[23:48] <pa1983> minimum
[23:49] <pksato> real 1A rated PSU.
[23:49] <pa1983> hehe
[23:49] <pa1983> I know there are crap psu's. Figured a 2.1A if dicent at least will keep relativly stable voltage. Its not like theres good usb psu reviews
[23:50] <shiftplusone> pa1983, yes, that's to help rule out issues. If the supply says it can provide 5V at 750mA max , you don't know if it's really going to be 5V, since they are usually designed to charge phones.
[23:50] <shiftplusone> In other words, check your voltage between TP1 and TP2 if you are seeing issues.
[23:50] <pksato> and, have a switching noise.
[23:51] <shiftplusone> pa1983, Nothing I can link you to, but check the schematic, look at your own pi and see the polyfuse markings, pull up the datasheets and check. That's what I did, but it was a while back.
[23:51] <pa1983> okay your probebly rigth
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[23:52] <KiltedPi> hmm
[23:52] <pa1983> just weird the wiki say 1.1A and some other sources to but I know my self when I have taken stuff apart that there are supprices
[23:52] <KiltedPi> Do you -have- to have ethernet connection to install your OS?
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[23:52] <KiltedPi> I've got PWR, no OK today.
[23:52] <pksato> My RPi have polyfuse 1.6A F3 :)
[23:53] <shiftplusone> pksato, slapped that on yourself?
[23:53] <pksato> yes.
[23:53] <KiltedPi> Can I just install from SD card?
[23:53] <KiltedPi> I've got power in, HDMI out to a telly-
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[23:53] <KiltedPi> and my SD in there
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[23:53] <KiltedPi> :/
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[23:53] <KiltedPi> No loading
[23:54] <shiftplusone> pa1983, I am looking at my own unmodified pi and the polyfuse says 075, meaning 0.75A. The polyfuses are a bit tricky since there's the trip current and some area just before it trips, I am not sure which one the 750 is referring to, but I am pretty sure that's where it just starts to increase in resistance. Again.... datasheets.
[23:54] <pksato> http://pksato.blogspot.com.br/2012/12/replacing-polyfuses-of-raspberry-pi.html
[23:55] <KiltedPi> urgh
[23:55] <KiltedPi> I'm installing Raspbian wrongly or something
[23:55] <pa1983> thats annoying. all the info I can get from the foundation etc seems to be wrong...
[23:55] <shiftplusone> pksato, I have a 2.1A polyfuse around, just haven't gotten around to replacing the stock one yet.
[23:55] <KiltedPi> What does the SD card have to be partitioned with?
[23:55] <KiltedPi> FAT ok?
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[23:56] <KiltedPi> Yeah. FAT32
[23:57] <shiftplusone> pa1983, the rpi part of the elinux wiki has been hijacked and I have seen a lot of stupid edits which are plain wrong, I wouldn't put much faith in it either.
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[23:58] <pa1983> I dont have any polyfuses ithere. People seems to just bypass them. Wounder how big the risk of damadge is
[23:59] <pa1983> And elfa in sweden is SO expensive so will costa fortune for a single component for me
[23:59] <pa1983> mostly labour and delivery

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