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IRC Log for 2013-02-13

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[0:00] <chithead> you can power the pi by feeding back power through the usb-a ports, which have no fuses in current models
[0:00] <pksato> pa1983: can power RPi from GPIO header. To protect, use "wire" fuse.
[0:00] <shiftplusone> pa1983, I have asked a guy from the foundation how much current the board can actually carry from the input to usb if you short out the fuse. He didn't know off the top of his head though. You can run wries straight from the input to usb 5v/gnd lines to make sure it doesn't run through the board though
[0:00] <shiftplusone> or backfeed through a dodgy usb hub
[0:01] <pa1983> chickens, yes I know, thats a sulution I have considered if I had to little power. Guess I find out sonn enough
[0:01] <double-you> shiftplusone: is it ok to front- and backfeed 5V?
[0:01] <shiftplusone> If it's from the same supply
[0:01] <pa1983> shiftplusone, considered that to. The pi is low cost but feels kind of wrong that you must mod and break warrenty aout of the box
[0:02] <double-you> shiftplusone: yes same supply
[0:02] <pa1983> its not like Im asking it to do anything out of the ordinary
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[0:03] <shiftplusone> double-you, If you have 5V on the usb side and 5V on the input coming in from the supply, electrically, it is all the same node, which is fine.
[0:03] <pa1983> I do have som raly nice fine wire laying around specialy for tigth places where I need maximum current for the smallest footprint. Could use that
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[0:04] <double-you> shiftplusone: I just wondered when I wanted to switch off my raspberry by disconnecting the front power :-)
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[0:04] <double-you> and it kept running over the usb power
[0:04] <pa1983> using the wire trick shuld solve that but warrenty is bay bay
[0:05] <shiftplusone> I am not actually 100% sure what happens there. If you have current being sourced from two points and you have capacitive or inductive components and one of the sources is removed.... I don't know what happens
[0:05] <pa1983> so how much power is actually left for the usb ports on a 512Mb model running stock speeds?
[0:06] <chithead> no hardware modification is needed if you bypass the fuse via pin header or usb a
[0:06] <shiftplusone> Whether it instantly draws more current through the other source or if there is a brief supply issue until it settles again...
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[0:06] <pa1983> chickens, is there a pin header to bypas the polyfuse?
[0:06] <KiltedPi> urgh
[0:06] <chithead> earlier models had 140mA fuses on the usb ports, so that gives you an idea
[0:06] <KiltedPi> what should I use as my IP?
[0:06] <KiltedPi> My router-
[0:06] <KiltedPi> Or whatever I get with "Whatismyip.com
[0:07] <shiftplusone> pa1983, around 300mA, I think.
[0:07] <shiftplusone> pa1983, 750-350. And originally there were polyfuses on usb side limiting each port to 140mA, which confirms that a little.
[0:08] <KiltedPi> What did you guys put-
[0:08] <KiltedPi> when you installed your OS-
[0:08] <KiltedPi> as your IP address. Like, where did you get it
[0:08] <shiftplusone> KiltedPi, what are you doing exactly? Where are you putting that address and why?
[0:09] <pa1983> shiftplusone, well I think I can run stock at least then. Dont know what the wlan uses but I sue this model. http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/Reviews.asp?ProductID=13905
[0:09] <KiltedPi> Installing Raspbian
[0:09] <KiltedPi> It asks me what my IP is-
[0:09] <pksato> KiltedPi: ifconfig or ip command.
[0:09] <KiltedPi> for DHCP settings
[0:09] <pa1983> wlan is max 100mw plus what ever the chip uses so
[0:09] <Viper-7> i love how by design dasiy chaining raspberry pis kills them
[0:09] <pksato> or, dhcp server log.
[0:10] <KiltedPi> pksato-
[0:10] <KiltedPi> I'm in the install screen
[0:10] <KiltedPi> doing a network install
[0:10] <KiltedPi> no console :(
[0:10] <shiftplusone> KiltedPi, I still havent' figured out what you're doing. Are you running the raspbian installer rather than using the official image or something?
[0:11] <pksato> dhcp server log. (router status)
[0:11] <KiltedPi> running the raspbian installer-
[0:11] <KiltedPi> a clean install
[0:11] <shiftplusone> KiltedPi, no idea, wouldn't touch that thing,
[0:11] <KiltedPi> I just copied the files onto the SD
[0:11] <pa1983> chithead, you sad there was pins to bypass the polyfuse any picture or guide for that? If its just a jumper I need I have that from old PC hardwarte
[0:11] <pksato> screen?
[0:11] <chithead> the pin header is not protected by fuse
[0:11] <KiltedPi> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[0:12] <KiltedPi> thats where i got the advice
[0:12] <shiftplusone> pa1983, I wouldn't be so sure. wifi dongles like that can have spikes in current draw, especially when they are just plugged in. That can easily reboot your pi. Hard to say what the maximum current draw of a dongle like that is.
[0:12] <Viper-7> KiltedPi: why not just use an image?
[0:12] <shiftplusone> KiltedPi, stick to this http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[0:12] <KiltedPi> link?
[0:12] <KiltedPi> ah -
[0:12] <KiltedPi> That'll save some time hah!
[0:13] <Viper-7> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianImages
[0:13] <pa1983> shiftplusone, I know that you shuld not hotplug and It will never be removed
[0:13] <pksato> wait, KiltedPi you need help to?
[0:13] <shiftplusone> pa1983, might be fine then, yeah.
[0:13] <Viper-7> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-educational-linux-distro/occidentalis-v0-dot-2
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[0:16] <KiltedPi> I'm good now
[0:16] <shiftplusone> KiltedPi, pi:raspberry to log in, ssh is on by default, raspi-config is the configure tool if you don't want to do it manually.
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[0:18] <Viper-7> use the adafruit distro if you expect hardware features like i2c, spi, 1wire, rtc, wifi, etc to just work :P
[0:18] <Viper-7> each of those was a pain to get going using the standard raspbian distro :<
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[0:24] <gordonDrogon> i2c and spi work perfectly well with the standard Raspbian.
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[0:24] <gordonDrogon> don't know about the rest though, but I use I2c and spi regualrly.
[0:24] <Viper-7> except that the kernel modules are manually disabled
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> that's not exactly a problem though.
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> personally, I think it's much better that they are disabled - then you can use more GPIO pins if needed without having to remove them.
[0:25] <Viper-7> /etc/modprobe.d/raspi_blacklist.conf
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[0:26] <gordonDrogon> gpio load spi
[0:26] <Viper-7> blacklist, because `most users dont use these`, entirely undocumented
[0:26] <gordonDrogon> is not exactly hard to do.
[0:26] <Viper-7> i found that awesomely handy :/
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[0:26] <gordonDrogon> also the gpio load thingy changes ownership so you can run spi & i2c programs without being root if needed.
[0:26] <retrosenator> I dont have a micro usb how can I power this thing?
[0:27] <gordonDrogon> mobile phone charger.
[0:27] <retrosenator> dont have one
[0:27] <gordonDrogon> you live in a cave.
[0:27] <Viper-7> 5v to GPIO 2
[0:27] <retrosenator> a boat
[0:27] <ParkerR> Standard micro USB charges are only around 500mAh
[0:27] <shiftplusone> buy one, use gpio or a backfeeding hub.
[0:27] <retrosenator> Viper-7:: thank you, what about gnd?
[0:27] <Viper-7> gnd to GPIO 6
[0:27] <Viper-7> http://elinux.org/images/2/2a/GPIOs.png
[0:27] <retrosenator> shiftplusone:: you can backfeed on the other usb ports?
[0:27] <gordonDrogon> retrosenator, if you have a uUSB cable them plug it into a laptop or PC.
[0:28] <ParkerR> retrosenator, Yes that too
[0:28] <Viper-7> retrosenator: only on newer models without polyfuses for each usb port
[0:28] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, yup, if your hub is dodgy enough to do that.
[0:28] <retrosenator> cool I have spare cables wiht A plug I can
[0:28] <retrosenator> I like gpio way best
[0:28] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, That's not the best idea. Could fry the laptop
[0:28] <Viper-7> the usb fuses on old models wont allow enough power through for the pi
[0:28] <dRbiG> oh, seeing gpio - what interfaces to that do we have?
[0:28] <Viper-7> just remember the gpio is unfused
[0:28] <dRbiG> i remember hearing about a python one
[0:28] <Viper-7> so be careful :P
[0:28] <dRbiG> anything else?
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> ParkerR, I'll mention that to the laptop under my desk currently powering 2 Pi's then..
[0:29] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, Anything plugged into the Pi's?
[0:29] <Viper-7> dRbiG: between memory mapped io, the bcm2835.c library which automates that, and sysfs - bascially anything and everything :P
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> ParkerR, a gertboard on one of them and an LCD display on the other.
[0:29] <ParkerR> Never heard of a laptop supplying over than about 500 or so mAh
[0:29] <retrosenator> i have a 5 amp buck regulator to drop 12v down to 5
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> dRbiG, there is the wiringPi library for C/C++ use - also wrappers for it in Python, etc.
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, ugh. bcm2835.c ... ugh...
[0:30] <Viper-7> dRbiG: echo 24 > /sys/class/gpio/export; echo out > /sys/class/gpio/gpio24/direction; echo 1 > /sys/class/gpio/gpio24/value
[0:30] <retrosenator> is it true the raspberry uses almost as much power idle as under full load?
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, don't confuse folks with that )-:
[0:30] <ParkerR> retrosenator, No
[0:30] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, Model B, yeah.
[0:30] <dRbiG> ok, then - how tight can I get the timings?
[0:30] <ParkerR> idle will use elss power
[0:30] <shiftplusone> heh
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> more or less
[0:31] <ParkerR> *less
[0:31] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: if youre going to criticise, be specific, whats wrong?
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[0:31] <gordonDrogon> dRbiG, how tight do you want them? Remember it's normally running a multi-tasking OS ...
[0:31] <shiftplusone> ParkerR, have you measured current draw at full load and idle?
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, that library was copied from my wiringPi without any sort of attribution.
[0:31] <ParkerR> shiftplusone, Well I had one power supply that crapped out under a higher load
[0:31] <ParkerR> Not sure exactly
[0:31] <KiltedPi> Ach! don't worry gordon
[0:32] <KiltedPi> You're a legend
[0:32] <gordonDrogon> I don't - it's just mildly irritating.
[0:32] <shiftplusone> ParkerR, upi
[0:32] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: its basic reference implementations
[0:32] <shiftplusone> gah... can't type
[0:33] <dRbiG> gordonDrogon: I know. I'll have to check it. I did an usual-ir-remote receiver on a pic, it has a rs232 interface, i was wondering if i could do all that on the pic
[0:33] <ParkerR> shiftplusone, upi?
[0:33] <dRbiG> don't remember the timings
[0:33] <shiftplusone> ParkerR, we're talking about cpu/gpu load, right?
[0:33] <dRbiG> on the rpi*, sorry
[0:33] <ParkerR> Yeah and network too.
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[0:33] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, that it may be, but he copied wiringPi lock/stock/barrel from GPLv3 code without any ack.
[0:34] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, he also copied a lot of my other stuff that wasn't 'reference implementation' either.
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[0:34] <shiftplusone> ParkerR, pretty sure it's around 350mA either way. 'course there will be a difference, but not that much. The lan chip alone will use half of the power even when it's not used.
[0:34] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: sounds like a problem between you and him, not between me and the code
[0:34] <gordonDrogon> dRbiG, there is a kerlel module for that - look up LIRC.
[0:34] <ParkerR> shiftplusone, I thought model B was 700mAh min?
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[0:34] <Viper-7> he sounds like a dick, but shrug, most of that code youd be very hard pressed to even claim that it was copied, the implementation is so standard & simple
[0:34] <gordonDrogon> dRbiG, accurate timing on the Pi is not easy due to Linux and the GPU doing memory & video refresh.
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[0:35] <shiftplusone> ParkerR, that's what they recommend. around 350 for the actual pi and the rest for usb.
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[0:35] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, my code wasn't quite 'reference'..
[0:36] <retrosenator> 700 sounds high yeah
[0:36] <gordonDrogon> dRbiG, some things are actually easier to get more accurately on a pic or atmega, etc.
[0:36] <retrosenator> I have a pico projector from my beagleboard.. hopefully that can work too
[0:37] <dRbiG> gordonDrogon: true. i'll probably try doing rs232 from rpi, should make a decent platform for interfacing to other stuff
[0:37] <chris_99> you could do accurate timing if you removed the OS ;)
[0:37] <dRbiG> yeah
[0:37] <retrosenator> chris_99:: real time linux?
[0:37] <shiftplusone> What about the realtime patches or freertos?
[0:37] <chris_99> i mean just remove the OS and use straight asm
[0:38] <chris_99> so no kernel switching at all
[0:38] <retrosenator> chris_99: yea great idea, dont use c or some higher level language even
[0:38] <shiftplusone> You don't code your pi with butterflies?
[0:38] <Viper-7> <gordonDrogon> dRbiG, some things are actually easier to get more accurately on a pic or atmega, etc.
[0:38] <chris_99> haha shiftplusone
[0:39] <SwK> anyone around thats familiar with the MCP230XX i2c to GPIO chips?
[0:39] <shiftplusone> I've got 10 of those chips, but haven't used them yet.
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[0:39] <retrosenator> Viper-7:: less complicated.. easier to predict
[0:40] <SwK> shiftplusone: I'm eyeball deep in a cross between the adafruit 16x2 LCD + 5 button plate, plus a 12key 4x3 matrix keypad lol
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[0:40] <shiftplusone> heh, handy chip to have then.
[0:40] <SwK> yeah
[0:40] <SwK> actually have 2 of them, the 16 port fanout and the 8 port fanout
[0:40] <retrosenator> anyone using the zif connectors like S2?
[0:41] <Viper-7> sorry phone
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[0:41] <shiftplusone> I am still waiting for my 5v tolerant buffers to arrive before using it.
[0:42] <SwK> I'm pretty happy with them so far???
[0:42] <shiftplusone> SwK, could I steal some code from you for future reference then?
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[0:43] <SwK> shiftplusone: I stole code from Adafruit lol
[0:43] <shiftplusone> Heh, ok thanks I'll take a look there. Perfect
[0:43] <shiftplusone> Don't they stick to python though?
[0:44] <SwK> shiftplusone: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Raspberry-Pi-Python-Code <-- for python, if you want C, you'll want to look at gordonDrogon's i2c stuff
[0:44] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I was hoping you were using C. Fair enough.
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[0:44] <SwK> its on the horizon but i have not had time to figure out gordon's stuff yet???
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[0:45] <gordonDrogon> Hm. just had an email from a poor chap who's just blown up his Pi - via the Gertboard )-:
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[0:46] <gordonDrogon> you can't get accurate timing even in 'bare metal' mode. The GPU still does memory and video refresh which stalls the ARM from time to time.
[0:47] <Viper-7> <gordonDrogon> dRbiG, some things are actually easier to get more accurately on a pic or atmega, etc.
[0:47] <Scriven> Ew, gertboard blowup? What happened?
[0:47] <Viper-7> agree completely, except that i use msp430 or propeller :P
[0:47] <gordonDrogon> he connected what he thought was DC to the motor controller - turned out to be AC.
[0:48] <gordonDrogon> sounds like it's fried the motor controlle and the Pi. SoC gets red hot on the Pi now and it don't work.
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[0:49] <Scriven> wow, that's a big oops.
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[0:51] <retrosenator> can i use gparted to expand the partition?
[0:51] <gordonDrogon> probably.
[0:51] <retrosenator> ok
[0:51] <gordonDrogon> you can also use raspi-config
[0:51] <gordonDrogon> which will automatically do it all for you.
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> that ought to run at first boot time anyway.
[0:52] <retrosenator> it can do it on the raspberry itself?
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> yes
[0:52] <retrosenator> ok cool
[0:53] <retrosenator> i wonder if I should use wifi or ethernet
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> ethernet
[0:53] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, what about going even more bare metal and using the videocore directly? =D
[0:53] <retrosenator> is the usb wifi pretty bug free?
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> at least to start with.
[0:53] <ParkerR> retrosenator, Depends on the adapter
[0:53] <retrosenator> mostly mine are realtek
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, Hehe... someone might well do it, but even them, you still need to refresh the dram!
[0:53] <ParkerR> rtl8188cus is well suppoorted
[0:53] <retrosenator> cool
[0:54] <retrosenator> time to splice in some power...
[0:54] <ParkerR> retrosenator, ?
[0:54] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, I did once write some code for a processor which refreshed its own RAM in software. funky stuff.
[0:54] <retrosenator> ParkerR:: running power into gpio
[0:54] <ParkerR> retrosenator, Oh
[0:55] <retrosenator> from buck converter..
[0:55] <gordonDrogon> no usb cables at all? touch 5v to the 3.3v pin which is right next to it and ... byby pi
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[0:58] <retrosenator> i have a proper connctor
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[0:59] <retrosenator> for the pins,, not the micro usb
[1:01] <gordonDrogon> ok but double check before powering it up.
[1:03] <retrosenator> i'm triple checking
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[1:04] <gordonDrogon> :)
[1:04] <gordonDrogon> do you have an hdmi monitor?
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[1:05] <gordonDrogon> if so, then plug it in and make sure it's turned on first.
[1:05] <gordonDrogon> the Pi auto-detects and will fall-back to composite video if it doesn't detect a 'live' hdmi device.
[1:06] <retrosenator> yes
[1:06] <retrosenator> pprojector
[1:06] <retrosenator> headless is fine with me though
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[1:09] <gordonDrogon> as long as you can determin it's IP address the first time it dhcp's.
[1:09] <gordonDrogon> so you can ssh in.
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[1:11] <retrosenator> cant i mount the filesystem and modify it for fixed?
[1:11] <retrosenator> and also do wifi heh
[1:11] <retrosenator> not sure if my ethernet cable works
[1:13] <retrosenator> here goes...
[1:14] <gordonDrogon> get a picture? or smoke :)
[1:15] <retrosenator> neither
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[1:16] <retrosenator> how long does it take to boot?
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[1:17] <Viper-7> got link lights from the ethernet cable?
[1:17] <retrosenator> no ethernet
[1:17] <retrosenator> I have pwr and act
[1:17] <retrosenator> pwr is steady read, act flashes
[1:17] <Viper-7> watch for the ethernet lights to blink off a while after boot, shortly after that happens itll be booted
[1:17] <retrosenator> although it just stopped
[1:17] <Viper-7> heh or not
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[1:17] <Viper-7> act should be flashing slowly once booted
[1:18] <Viper-7> like 0.5Hz
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[1:18] <Viper-7> interestingly it seems occidentalis doesnt do that
[1:18] <retrosenator> yeah i'm getting no picture
[1:19] <retrosenator> but no way of knowing if this projector still works. it just has its default screen as if there is no hdmi cable
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[1:21] <retrosenator> editing config.txt
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[1:21] <pa1983> finaly got the wireless network up and running on the pi
[1:21] <Viper-7> serial console is enabled by default on pin 8 btw
[1:22] <Viper-7> 115200,8,1,0
[1:22] <retrosenator> 8 and 10?
[1:22] <retrosenator> is that 5v?
[1:23] <retrosenator> I dont actually have a serial port heh
[1:23] <Viper-7> 3.3
[1:23] <Viper-7> heh
[1:23] <retrosenator> maybe I can interface with an arduino
[1:23] <Viper-7> haha
[1:23] <retrosenator> what? I bet it would work
[1:24] <Viper-7> but then you need to get the data off the arduino >:D
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[1:24] <retrosenator> yes and bitbang the second serial port
[1:24] <Viper-7> to talk to ?
[1:24] <retrosenator> the other way is to remove the arduino chip itself
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[1:24] <Viper-7> heh yeah i guess
[1:24] <retrosenator> and just wires from its tx and dx to the pi and just use the ftdi chip on the arduino
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[1:25] <retrosenator> that would probably be easiest
[1:25] <Viper-7> yah
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[1:26] <Viper-7> i usually knock up a simple level shifter and use a usb or real rs232 port
[1:26] <Viper-7> rs232 phy being inverted makes that nice and easy
[1:26] <retrosenator> if I edit /etc/network/interfaces I should be able to configure the network
[1:26] <retrosenator> actually I might have a level shifter somewhere
[1:26] <retrosenator> maybe I can get wifi working headless.. then I'm set heh
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[1:34] <retrosenator> i'm getting picture now but it is messed up
[1:34] <retrosenator> because the DLP is still showing
[1:34] <retrosenator> I uncommented the safe line though, but it is not right
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[1:36] <retrosenator> and ethernet is not working
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[1:37] <retrosenator> but yeah it starts out in that ncurses screen for setting stuff up but its really hard to read I think the resolution is wrong
[1:39] <Viper-7> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
[1:39] <Viper-7> hdmi_mode
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[1:42] <UnaClocker> I'm tearing down a Sega Genesis right now.. Going to put a Raspberry Pi inside.. ;)
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[1:44] <Muzer> to play NES games? ;)
[1:44] <Muzer> (for troll purposes)
[1:44] <Viper-7> i have one of these http://playerschoicegames.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Atari-C-100-Pong_www.jpg
[1:44] <Viper-7> it`d make a great MAME console i think >:D
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[1:47] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, :D
[1:47] <UnaClocker> Trying to find a post somewhere on these here interwebs where someone has wired a Sega Genesis controller into a Pi..
[1:47] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Did you see the RetroPie image that was released?
[1:48] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: Was just about to download that.
[1:48] <ParkerR> Great emulation on ptretty much everything
[1:48] <ParkerR> I was impressed witht the genesis
[1:48] <ParkerR> *with
[1:48] <UnaClocker> My father gave my kids a dead Sega with like 6 controllers, and 10 games. I got it to kind of work with some resoldering.. Finally said screw it, I know a better way.. ;)
[1:48] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STN260k9BEQ
[1:49] <UnaClocker> Yeah, the Genesis emulator: http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id=227519 was just re-written with ARM assembly to maximize accuracy/performance.
[1:50] <ParkerR> Yeah it's pretty amazing
[1:50] <ParkerR> Not quite full frame rate but very playable
[1:51] <nopslide> does the rpi go through certifications? such as usb 2.0 certification? (im assuming not, if you can't hot plug devices into it)
[1:52] <ParkerR> nopslide, You can hotplug devices...
[1:52] <nopslide> in rev2?
[1:52] <ParkerR> Yes
[1:52] <plugwash> I belive the Pi only went through the legally required certification
[1:52] <plugwash> and USB certification is not legally required
[1:52] <nopslide> intresting, last year the devs were saying it wasn't possible when the polyfuses were changed out
[1:52] <retrosenator> i need 640x480.. what hdmi_mode is that?
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[1:53] <nopslide> the "rush in current problem"
[1:53] <ParkerR> Those devices have the possibility of drawing too much power but assuming they dont hotplug works just fine
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[1:53] <UnaClocker> nopslide: There's also this wonderful thing called a powered external hub..
[1:53] <nopslide> im quite familiar with usb hubs
[1:53] <ParkerR> ^
[1:53] <Viper-7> retrosenator: group 2 mode 4 ?
[1:53] <UnaClocker> I'm quite familiar with trolls.
[1:54] <nopslide> my question is only if it actually goes through certification
[1:54] <UnaClocker> No, it's a $35 toy.
[1:54] <defiantredpill> lol
[1:54] <retrosenator> Viper-7:: ok.. how did you find that? is there a reference?
[1:54] <nopslide> well, for a 'toy', we manage to build a hell of a lot on it.
[1:54] <Viper-7> retrosenator: the link i gave before
[1:54] <Viper-7> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
[1:55] <plugwash> Lets put it this way I never heard any reports of the Pi going through USB certification and i'm pretty sure it wouldn't pass if it did.
[1:55] <UnaClocker> nopslide: Indeed, much like Lego's..
[1:55] <nopslide> thats all i was curious about if we deploying thousands of them, these are the questions that get asked.
[1:56] <retrosenator> ok didn't fully load before
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[2:02] <Aivaras> anyone have raspberry with larger uptime then two weaks?
[2:03] <pronto> not yet, mines currently at 6 days
[2:03] <pronto> http://raspberry.bagels.xxx/ <<
[2:03] <ParkerR> Umm please dont be porn
[2:03] <ParkerR> :P
[2:03] <nopslide> ascii porn!
[2:03] <Aivaras> mine is 11 now, but always it breaks in day 12-15
[2:04] <ParkerR> Breaks?
[2:04] <pronto> lol
[2:04] <nopslide> any console output or just freeze?
[2:04] <nopslide> (do you have wi-fi on it?)
[2:04] <TAFB> how does it detect the number of connections?
[2:04] <pronto> everything on *bagels.xxx is SFW
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[2:04] <Aivaras> reboots
[2:04] <Aivaras> btw - how to read temperature of cpu?
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[2:05] <retrosenator> anyone use the ti pico projector?
[2:05] <ParkerR> Aivaras, vcgencmd measure_temp
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[2:05] <UnaClocker> Aivaras: 17:04:03 up 44 days, 19:20, 1 user, load average: 0.24, 0.19, 0.11
[2:06] <pronto> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[2:06] <Aivaras> Thanks ParkerR! Mine is 26.1
[2:06] <ParkerR> Wow
[2:06] <retrosenator> also.. what is the root password?
[2:06] <ParkerR> Thats pretty low
[2:06] <ParkerR> Cool room?
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[2:06] <ParkerR> retrosenator, set one
[2:06] <ParkerR> sudo passwd
[2:06] <Aivaras> Near window with radiator on
[2:06] <retrosenator> the setup console is really impossible to use at 640x480
[2:06] <retrosenator> ParkerR:: how do I get a shell?
[2:06] <pronto> http://raspberry.bagels.xxx/templog.php << i hvate a temp log of my PI, you can tell when i opened the window today xD
[2:06] <ParkerR> retrosenator, Wait do you not have it installed yet?
[2:06] <retrosenator> the screen is very corrupted and almost impossible to read as well
[2:07] <ParkerR> Hmm
[2:07] <ParkerR> Can you not go any higher in res?
[2:07] <retrosenator> it flickers a lot and has noise on it
[2:07] <retrosenator> the projector I have is 640x480
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[2:07] <retrosenator> I think it has an overlay buffer or someting that needs to get cleared
[2:07] <ParkerR> You should be able to force more than that
[2:07] <UnaClocker> heh, are you using the composite video?
[2:08] <UnaClocker> That's always blurry and sucks.
[2:08] <retrosenator> because it shows DLP texas instruments on top of the other stuff
[2:08] <retrosenator> no hdmi
[2:08] <ParkerR> Most projectors are low res but support displaying higjher resolutions
[2:08] <ParkerR> *higher
[2:08] <retrosenator> let me see
[2:08] <ParkerR> Oh no HDMI
[2:08] <ParkerR> Not sure how to set the res of composite output
[2:08] <retrosenator> it is hdmi
[2:08] <ParkerR> I thought you just said "no HMDI"
[2:09] <Aivaras> You can't set resolution for composite
[2:09] <ParkerR> *HDMI
[2:09] <retrosenator> oh sorry, no, it is hdmi
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[2:09] <ParkerR> retrosenator, Oh yeah then try setting one a bit higher
[2:09] <retrosenator> you said are you using composite video? "no hdmi"
[2:09] <retrosenator> confusing heh
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[2:09] <retrosenator> 800x600...
[2:09] <ParkerR> retrosenator, UnaClocker asked about composite
[2:10] <ParkerR> I didnt see that he asked
[2:10] <ParkerR> Thought you were saying it didnt have HDMI
[2:10] <retrosenator> yeah I know sorry
[2:10] <retrosenator> wow, so does it internally stretch to the native resolution?
[2:11] <retrosenator> 800x600 seems to wwork as well, but still has the same problem
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[2:11] <retrosenator> it flickers a lot and has noise in the picture... I really think the framebuffer driver doesn't know how to handle this device or something.. it is designed to work on beagle board
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[2:12] <Aivaras> pronto, What are you using for temperature graph?
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[2:12] <pronto> Aivaras: bash script on cron every 5 min, that grabs temp and a gnuplot script to plot things
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[2:13] <Viper-7> retrosenator: try different refresh rates / blanking times
[2:13] <retrosenator> yeah.. so far its all the same
[2:13] <pronto> Aivaras: http://kpaste.net/44d6301e should be all the parts
[2:13] <pronto> three files, two things in cron
[2:14] <Viper-7> retrosenator: disable overscan ? try hdmi_boost ?
[2:14] <Aivaras> pronto, Thanks. I am looking something to draw outdors temperatures. I have data now from two weaks :D
[2:14] <retrosenator> Viper-7:: yes
[2:14] <retrosenator> both in fact
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[2:14] <retrosenator> too bad I cannot read it well enough to know what option sets the root password
[2:14] <Viper-7> retrosenator: did you try the hdmi_safe mode?
[2:14] <pronto> Aivaras: disclaimer: i have almost zero idea what i'm doing with gnuplot, only got it working via googlethings
[2:14] <retrosenator> then I could login on tty2 and get the network working since I cannot ping it
[2:14] <retrosenator> hdmi_safe is the same
[2:15] <Viper-7> Use "safe mode" settings to try to boot with maximum hdmi compatibility. This is the same as the combination of: hdmi_force_hotplug=1, config_hdmi_boost=4, hdmi_group=2, hdmi_mode=4, disable_overscan=0
[2:15] <Viper-7> yeah, should be the same as what youve tried already
[2:15] <retrosenator> I did that first, and it gives a picture but flickers a lot and has noise through it
[2:15] <retrosenator> maybe the projector is bad too.. but I doubt it would work at all
[2:15] <Viper-7> how long is the hdmi cable?
[2:15] <retrosenator> .5 meters
[2:15] <Viper-7> hmm :/
[2:16] <retrosenator> is there a way to force the console size to be smaller?
[2:16] <retrosenator> I can only see the upper left part so the instal program is really hard to use (on top of the flickering and corrupted pixels)
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[2:17] <Viper-7> not that i know of
[2:18] <retrosenator> maybe I can boot single user and set passwd that way
[2:19] <retrosenator> wait, I figured out how to exit the program heh
[2:20] <retrosenator> no its username pi :(
[2:20] <Viper-7> why do you care about setting the password?
[2:20] <Viper-7> thats standard, login with pi, password raspberry, then sudo for root tasks
[2:21] <retrosenator> so I can get the network working so I can use it headless
[2:22] <Viper-7> the standard login works over network
[2:22] <Viper-7> pi/raspberry
[2:22] <Viper-7> ssh
[2:22] <retrosenator> yes but the network isnt working
[2:22] <retrosenator> anyway I got it heh, sudo passwd
[2:23] <Viper-7> i never even plugged a display into mine
[2:23] <retrosenator> I can just very barely read anything
[2:23] <Viper-7> just a network cable, checked the dhcp leases to find its ip, then ssh`ed in
[2:23] <retrosenator> but you have dhcp
[2:23] <retrosenator> I would have to run a server or something
[2:23] <Viper-7> thats not hard
[2:23] <retrosenator> plus I dont think my ethernet cable actually works
[2:23] <Viper-7> dhcp is nice and simple
[2:23] <retrosenator> I know.. silly excuse heh
[2:24] <retrosenator> yeah I could try it
[2:24] <Viper-7> well just try it, plug the cable between your pc and the pi, see if it lights up
[2:24] <retrosenator> 100 lnk and fdx?
[2:24] <Viper-7> yah
[2:24] <retrosenator> I have no lights
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[2:24] <Viper-7> :<
[2:25] <Aivaras> any sed awk users? How to get just last value from line like this? 2013-02-13 01:20:02 , 0.312
[2:25] <retrosenator> does it need to be a crossover cable?
[2:25] <Viper-7> retrosenator: so using a wifi dongle?
[2:25] <retrosenator> I'm going to try
[2:26] <Viper-7> retrosenator: i dont think so, ive always used straight throughs, but my pc may be handling it
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[2:26] <retrosenator> I think my netbook can too
[2:26] <retrosenator> anyway, no lights
[2:26] <Viper-7> just thinking the adafruit distro with built-in support with several wifi dongles might be helpful :P
[2:26] <Viper-7> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-educational-linux-distro/occidentalis-v0-dot-2
[2:26] <retrosenator> I can try with my other laptop to try to narrow this down
[2:27] <retrosenator> oh.. it doesn't support wifi by default?
[2:27] <Viper-7> it may not have drivers for your dongle
[2:27] <clear`> i just got a wifi adapter for the pi
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[2:28] <retrosenator> too bad my display is so corrupted
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[2:29] <Shaan> hi guys hiw do i connect to a wifi network ??
[2:29] <clear`> lol
[2:29] <clear`> with a wifi adapter
[2:29] <Shaan> no the procedure
[2:30] <clear`> insert the wifi adaptor into the pi
[2:30] <clear`> or = er
[2:30] <Shaan> well duh but tge commands settings etc
[2:30] <Shaan> s/tge/the
[2:30] <clear`> that depends on the adaptor
[2:30] <clear`> and if your os has the drivers installed
[2:30] <clear`> or if you need to install them
[2:31] <nopslide> we need a #rasberrypi-help-where-you-dont-get-mocked channel
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[2:31] <clear`> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters
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[2:31] <Shaan> ya i hav one of those
[2:31] <clear`> that helps a lot...
[2:31] <clear`> which
[2:32] <Viper-7> Shaan: http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-3-network-setup/setting-up-wifi-with-occidentalis
[2:32] <Shaan> got it from modmypi.com
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[2:34] <Shaan> Viper-7: thanks
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[2:35] <Shaan> dude one last question what is locale and how do i know what to set mine too
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[2:38] <john_f> Shaan: language and regional settings, /etc/locale.conf in arch
[2:38] <Viper-7> Shaan: it sets types for strings, dates, numbers, currency, etc
[2:38] <Viper-7> UTF-8 is pretty standard now, just attach your country code
[2:39] <Shaan> ok thanks
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[2:42] <Shaan> weird i selected en us utf 8 but my @ key is my qout key
[2:43] <clear`> can you use terminal?
[2:44] <Shaan> i am using terminal
[2:44] <clear`> and the keys are screwed, hmm
[2:45] <john_f> that is a keyboard layout issue, maybe you have the uk layout
[2:45] <ParkerR> Shaan, sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[2:46] <john_f> aka keymap
[2:47] <ParkerR> Shaan, Use that to set the keyboard layout. Just setting the locale doesnt set keyboard
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[2:50] <Shaan> well did that still same thing on anither note wifi wont connect followwed that link by adafruit to the tee
[2:51] <Aivaras> pronto, Thanks mate, I have my graph now :) http://i.imgur.com/MbSOKZM.png
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[2:54] <pronto> Aivaras: nice
[2:54] <ParkerR> Aivaras, What exactly did you do to set it up? I see his script but it doesnt say where to put them or what order to run them in
[2:54] <ParkerR> *scripts
[2:55] <ParkerR> Oh nvm
[2:55] <ParkerR> I see in the cron scripts
[2:55] <ParkerR> Where does plot.sh go?
[2:56] <Aivaras> well, I used it in a bit different way.
[2:57] <Aivaras> no automatization. yet. :D
[2:57] <ParkerR> Aivaras, Mind sharing what you did?
[2:57] <Shaan> omg why for the life of me cant i get online ??
[2:57] <Shaan> any help please
[2:57] <Aivaras> ParkerR, one moment.
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[2:58] <ParkerR> Thanks
[3:02] <Shaan> any help please guys ??
[3:02] <ParkerR> Shaan, If you maybe linked to the tutorial you used and give more details
[3:02] <Shaan> iwconfig wlan0 essid netname key s:passphrase
[3:03] <ParkerR> Shaan, Did you run sudo dhclient wlan0 after that?
[3:03] <Shaan> im root so i just did without sudo yes
[3:04] <Shaan> dhclient wlan0
[3:04] <ParkerR> So is it just not connecting?
[3:04] <Shaan> nope
[3:04] <pksato> Shaan: WEP security?
[3:04] <ParkerR> What does ifconfig list under wlan0
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[3:04] <Shaan> wpa2
[3:05] <Shaan> it shows up
[3:05] <pksato> wpa2 psk, or wpa2 (enterprise)?
[3:05] <Shaan> wpa2 psk
[3:05] <Aivaras> ParkerR, http://pastebin.com/FFhBuSqu I think that is everyhing you need :)
[3:05] <pksato> need to use wpa_supplicant
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[3:06] <Shaan> how do i use wpa_supplicant
[3:06] <retrosenator> apparently my ethernet cable doesn't work
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[3:07] <pksato> Shaan: Viper-7 show a URL to do. http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-3-network-setup/setting-up-wifi-with-occidentalis
[3:07] <ParkerR> Aivaras, I don't see any command in there that are pulling temperature
[3:07] <ParkerR> *commands
[3:07] <pksato> Shaan: using raspbian?
[3:07] <Shaan> cant you do wpa-psk "key"
[3:08] <Shaan> yes
[3:08] <Aivaras> ParkerR, my temperature is from one-wire sensor, not CPU
[3:08] <pksato> flow adafruit tutorial,
[3:08] <ParkerR> Aivaras, Oh heh I was wanting cpu like pksato. Just couldnt figure out exactly what to do with everything in one paste
[3:08] <Shaan> followed it already doesnt work
[3:10] <ParkerR> Shaan, Do you have X running?
[3:10] <Aivaras> just log temperature to file every x minutes from crontab, command is "vcgencmd measure_temp", I don't know how to get only value from that.
[3:11] <Shaan> no
[3:11] <Shaan> ParkerR: no
[3:12] <Aivaras> Shaan, that is good tutorial, you have done something wrong. Try agian
[3:12] <pksato> Shaan: why dont work? you replaced quoted text from yours values?
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[3:16] <Shaan> yes
[3:18] <pronto> no
[3:18] <Aivaras> :))
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[3:19] <pksato> Shaan: check log files, on /var/log/
[3:19] <pa1983> any one compiled xorg on a pi?
[3:19] <Shaan> what log
[3:19] <pksato> less /var/log/syslog and less /var/log/messages
[3:20] <Shaan> what am i looking for
[3:20] <clear`> errors
[3:20] <Aivaras> I have computer and pi in range from router max 3M, While pinging from PC to pi - latecy is from 6ms (witch is good) to 200ms(with is terrebly bad) why is that?
[3:21] <Aivaras> average - 90ms
[3:21] <Shaan> all i see is no dhcp offers received
[3:21] <pa1983> could it be the usb hub again?
[3:21] <pa1983> usb subsystem on the pi seems to have latency problems, migth be related
[3:22] <Shaan> is it possible its because i got the wifi adapter wnd keyboard plugged in same time ??
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[3:22] <pksato> Shaan: you have RPi with 256MB or 512MB?
[3:22] <pa1983> Aivaras, I also get simmilar latencys on my usb wlan
[3:23] <Aivaras> pa1983, OK, thanks. :)
[3:23] <Shaan> 512
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[3:24] <pa1983> Aivaras, I had to run usb 1.1 becuse som latency issue with wireless keyboards. Apperently some latency in the usb hub etc on the pi.
[3:24] <pksato> Shaan: and use external powered usb hub?
[3:24] <Shaan> no using the 2 usb ports on pi
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[3:25] <pa1983> Aivaras, so my wlan is crippled at 12Mbit :P
[3:25] <ParkerR> pa1983, Haha
[3:26] <ParkerR> Kinda sad
[3:26] <pa1983> They are working on a new kernel with a patch
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[3:26] <pa1983> but the problem seems to have existed sens the pi was released so thatm akes me mad. I mean keayboards not working properly is quiet a problem
[3:27] <pa1983> and if you want xbmc or somthing you want wireless keyboard
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[3:28] <pa1983> compiling on the Pi takes for ever :P
[3:28] <Shaan> pksato: ?
[3:28] <pa1983> wounder if its worth setting up distcc and crosdev. Will let it compile over night see how fare it gets with all the xorg-server dependencys
[3:30] <pksato> Shaan: to use high power draw device like wifi dongle, is recomended to use a external powered hub.
[3:31] <Shaan> i just put it on hub still no luck
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[3:32] <pa1983> I use a Wlan dongel and a keyaboard/mouse wireless dongle atm
[3:33] <pa1983> Only problem I had was the keyboard repeating keys but that I fixed temporarily until a new kernel is out.
[3:33] <Shaan> darn help with wifi please guys
[3:33] <pa1983> I dont know what dist your running
[3:33] <Primer> btw, I ran a bluetooth dongle just fine last night. I even connected a PS3 controller to it and was moving the mouse around in X with it
[3:34] <pa1983> I hate wifi and I always have to read up on it when I configure it in gentoo
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[3:34] <hybr1d8> Check that you are even getting associated to the access point (see iwconfig output)
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[3:36] <Shaan> hybr1d8: what do you mean output?
[3:36] <pa1983> Shaan, you probebly have to edit a file for the networks settings like static ip or dhcp and also some wpa_supplicant settings, in gentoo thats /etc/conf.d/net then I edited /usr/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf I belive
[3:37] <pa1983> Any way there shuld be a guide for your distro
[3:37] <hybr1d8> If you run the command 'iwconfig' it should say if the interface is associated to any access point
[3:37] <pa1983> Shaan, what distro are you using?
[3:37] <Shaan> unassociated
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[3:40] <pa1983> Shaan, Distro???
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[3:42] * plugwash can imagine building stuff on the Pi is hell, it's bad enough on the imx boards we use
[3:43] <Torikun> oi
[3:44] <pa1983> plugwash, well I ahve built Midnigth-commander just now
[3:44] <pa1983> got wpa_supplicant compiled and its deps, ntp and its deps compiling now etc etc
[3:44] <pa1983> some small tools. Just geting a feel for tit.
[3:44] <pa1983> *it
[3:44] <Torikun> wasting time on gentoo
[3:44] <Torikun> lol
[3:44] <pa1983> migth set up distcc and crosdev
[3:45] <pa1983> gentoo is the only linux dist I will use.
[3:45] <Torikun> compiling horrible on pi
[3:45] <pa1983> good package manager, reliable etc
[3:45] <Torikun> i got a stage 4 hosted on my site pa1983
[3:45] <Torikun> you can save a few hours by copying it to sd card
[3:45] <pa1983> well my oi7 3930K@4Ghz with distcc and crossdev could cure that
[3:46] <Shaan> pa1983: wheezy
[3:46] <pa1983> Torikun, I dont want to save time. I want to waste time
[3:46] <Torikun> ok
[3:46] <pa1983> once Im done I supose I get bored at the pi so better get the msot out of it :D
[3:46] <Torikun> lo
[3:46] <pa1983> plus it can compile all it want when I sleep
[3:47] <Shaan> pa1983: ?
[3:47] <pa1983> soon time for bed its like 3 in the morning here. So I will see how fare it gets on xorg
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[3:48] <pa1983> Torikun, I was thinking of using a vertual computer in vertualbox. Dont like to add crap to my installs I dont need to
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[3:49] <Torikun> i did crossdev that way on my mac in vbox
[3:49] <pa1983> have a gentoo am64 machine running
[3:49] <pa1983> yea I just dont feel like breaking or wasting space on the primary OS
[3:49] <Shaan> pa1983: can you finish please?
[3:50] <pa1983> Shaan, what?
[3:50] <Shaan> you asked what distro i said raspbian wheezy
[3:50] <pa1983> Shaan, okay. never used it but shuld they not have a guide for wlan?
[3:51] <Shaan> i tried it this is soo weird
[3:52] <pa1983> but its based of debian so they migth have a guide
[3:52] <pa1983> give me link to the guide you used
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[3:54] <Shaan> one swc
[3:54] <pa1983> what protocol do you use? I use WPA2
[3:54] <Shaan> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-3-network-setup/setting-up-wifi-with-occidentalis
[3:55] <pa1983> Shaan, have you tried this
[3:55] <pa1983> http://www.raspberrypi-tutorials.co.uk/set-raspberry-pi-wireless-network/
[3:55] <pa1983> now you migth have another module for you nic
[3:56] <pa1983> but the important configuration part starts at "$ sudo nano /etc/wpa.config"
[3:56] <Shaan> ok
[3:56] <pa1983> you basicly have two files to edit to config the wlan card
[3:56] <Shaan> lets try
[3:56] <pa1983> similar to how I did it in gentoo
[3:56] <pa1983> make sure you know you accesspoint, if it uses WPA2 etc
[3:57] <pa1983> you know the name of your interface. that differs to on wlans
[3:57] <pa1983> atheros usualy are ath0 I belive and my realtek is wlan0
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[3:58] <Shaan> it does use wpa2
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[3:58] <Shaan> yes mine is wlan0
[3:58] <pa1983> then proto=WPA2
[3:58] <pa1983> well then your config is probebly the same as mine
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[3:59] <Shaan> i assume so
[4:00] <pa1983> I also had to specefy a driver for the wlan, usualy in gnetoo I dont know why its not in that guide cant see that it would differ from distro to distro unless they assume it can auto detect it but acording to gentoo manual thats not always the case
[4:00] <pa1983> what dose it way when you run sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[4:01] <pa1983> assuming you have don all the configuring
[4:02] <pa1983> do you know your ssid of you accesspoint to?
[4:03] <Shaan> hrmp
[4:03] <Shaan> yup
[4:03] <Shaan> i get ioctl errors
[4:06] <pa1983> well past the error here
[4:06] <pa1983> cut and past or write it down
[4:06] <pa1983> I dont know if you need to install some firmware. is it a realtek card
[4:07] <Shaan> ya asus n10
[4:07] <Shaan> the mini one
[4:08] <pa1983> well can you past the errors
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[4:10] <pa1983> if I donbt know the exact error I cant help
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[4:13] <Shaan> trying the new config one sec
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[4:14] <Coburn> Well
[4:14] <Coburn> For the record
[4:14] <Coburn> anyone who's using a ODROID, this is idling at 43*C
[4:15] <Shaan> failed to open statefile
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[4:17] <Shaan> pa1983: statefile permission denied
[4:19] <plugwash> Coburn, ooi which odriod do you have?
[4:19] <Coburn> U2
[4:19] <Coburn> 1.7Ghz Quad Core
[4:19] <plugwash> same here
[4:20] <pa1983> Shaan, did you fallow the guide I posted?
[4:20] <pa1983> Shaan, I would try this.
[4:20] <pa1983> Try replacing "wpa-conf /etc/wpa.config" with "pre-up wpa_supplicant -Dwext -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa.config -B"
[4:21] <Scriven> Coburn, Got any thoughts, I'm thinking about one of them too?
[4:21] <Coburn> Sexy little thing
[4:21] <pa1983> In gentoo I had to specefy the proper driver (how the card is going to interface with the AP or if suppose to be an AP etc) and with my realtek -Dwext worked. There is -Dnl80211 also and other options
[4:21] <Coburn> the heatsink may look unattractive but it's smaller than the r-pi
[4:21] <Coburn> Proper USB support
[4:22] <Coburn> No problems for current etc
[4:22] <Coburn> Runs Android, Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch, etc etc
[4:22] <Coburn> QUAD CORE POWAH
[4:22] <Coburn> 2GeeBees of RAM
[4:22] <clear`> ubuntu gui or just command line?
[4:22] <Coburn> both
[4:22] <hybr1d8> cost?
[4:22] <clear`> full functional?
[4:22] <Coburn> Yeah
[4:22] <Coburn> $85
[4:22] <plugwash> pros: small fast (by arm standards), fairly cheap, lots of ram (by arm standards) reasonable software support
[4:22] <Coburn> plus $30 shipping
[4:22] <clear`> vlc?
[4:23] <Coburn> Uh
[4:23] <Coburn> Although Xorg 3D acceleration and 2D acceleration is still in the air since Samsung are tightbuttocked about Mail400 firmware blobs
[4:23] <Coburn> Haven't tested video performance
[4:24] <clear`> i bought the pi for a cheap media player
[4:24] <plugwash> cons i've spotted so far: graphics output is apparently limited to HDTV resoloutions only, all storage ends up on USB, also IIRC the graphics support is X only no framebuffer console
[4:24] <Scriven> Coburn, what about USB-device support, same as full-sized w/ same OS?
[4:24] <pa1983> Shaan, I asume your root when you try to run the init script or use sudo?
[4:24] <Scriven> plugwash, odroid too?
[4:24] <retrosenator> does the root fs get mounted readonly or something in raspberrian?
[4:24] <ldionmarcil> hey. I think I nuked my SD card... I get weird errors due to a premature pull out during dd'ing. is there a way to reset the state of such a card? or should I just buy a new one.
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[4:24] <Scriven> AH, saw up the conversation, same as Coburn... cool.
[4:24] <Scriven> ldionmarcil, fsck on another computer?
[4:24] <Coburn> USB works fine
[4:25] <Coburn> alternative
[4:25] <ldionmarcil> I don't have another computer
[4:25] <ldionmarcil> would that really help?
[4:25] <Coburn> remount root filesystem readonly
[4:25] <Coburn> then run e2fsck
[4:25] <Scriven> Coburn, It'd be cool to test it w/ USB cellphone card, odroid phone!
[4:25] <plugwash> oh and they built their kernel without swap support meaning I had to rebuild it :(
[4:25] <Coburn> native compiling on odroid is sexy
[4:25] <ldionmarcil> Coburn:did you meant to say that to me?
[4:25] <Coburn> yeah
[4:26] <Coburn> Before you do
[4:26] <Coburn> prime me on the details
[4:26] <Coburn> what are you experiencing
[4:26] <ldionmarcil> let me remember the error
[4:26] <Scriven> odroid in #rpi ftw. ;)
[4:26] <Armand> lol
[4:26] <Coburn> ext4fs-error: error at X , repeat sector Y
[4:26] <ldionmarcil> let me boot up the computer first
[4:27] <ldionmarcil> should I boot with or without it
[4:27] <Coburn> without what
[4:27] <Coburn> I have the Galaxy Note, the one that uses the CPU before the ODROID U2
[4:28] <ldionmarcil> the SD card
[4:28] <Coburn> well
[4:28] <Coburn> you neeed the sd to boot pi, right?
[4:28] <ldionmarcil> I'm booting my netbook
[4:28] <Coburn> oh
[4:28] <ldionmarcil> because the image is corrupt
[4:28] <Coburn> uh
[4:28] <Coburn> well, get it at least to a console
[4:28] <Coburn> Android on the U2 is like sex on wheels
[4:28] <ldionmarcil> alright
[4:29] <Coburn> Figure of speech
[4:29] <Coburn> It's smooth like a baby's butt
[4:29] <Coburn> Although it feels odd using Android on a TV
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[4:30] <Coburn> holy gumdrops batman
[4:30] <Coburn> Fedora 18 on ODROID U2 has 3D acceleration
[4:30] <Coburn> WINNAR
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[4:31] <ldionmarcil> http://pastebin.com/shvcy0GL
[4:31] <ldionmarcil> that's just from plugging in the SD card
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[4:31] <risc> hey all
[4:31] <Coburn> SD Card looks like it's toasted
[4:31] <ldionmarcil> heh does it...
[4:32] <Coburn> You *could* run a fdisk and wipe it
[4:32] <ldionmarcil> I tried
[4:32] <ldionmarcil> i'll try again...
[4:32] <ldionmarcil> is there a way to clear dmesg?
[4:32] <Scriven> Coburn, plugwash, Any thoughts on eMMC vs SD?
[4:32] <Tachyon`> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/dodgycard bs=65536
[4:32] <Tachyon`> then just repartition and reformat
[4:32] <ldionmarcil> also tried that Tachyon`
[4:32] <Coburn> Scriven: eMMC 50x faster than SD class 10
[4:32] <Tachyon`> oh, must actually be dead then if that didn't work
[4:32] <Coburn> Well
[4:33] <Coburn> Yeah
[4:33] <Coburn> Trash it
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[4:33] <Coburn> GAME OVER
[4:33] <Coburn> Insert new SD Card to continue
[4:33] <Shaan> pa1983: sudo
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[4:34] <ldionmarcil> that's really saddennig...
[4:34] <ldionmarcil> first time I lose hardware because of software
[4:34] <Tachyon`> one thing ldionmarcil, are you overclocking?
[4:34] <ldionmarcil> no
[4:34] <Tachyon`> oh, okay, never mind that then
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[4:34] <ldionmarcil> can you guys recommand a SD card then? preferably 8gb...
[4:34] <Coburn> yeah
[4:34] <Tachyon`> sd cards do fail, particularly when bought from ebay
[4:35] <ldionmarcil> yeah thats what I did
[4:35] <Coburn> ...Sandisk Ultra Class 10 *GB
[4:35] <Tachyon`> sandisk card
[4:35] <ldionmarcil> how much are those?
[4:35] <Coburn> most of the time
[4:35] <Tachyon`> not too bad
[4:35] <ldionmarcil> last I paid for was like 4$
[4:35] <Tachyon`> but you do want at least class 10
[4:35] <ldionmarcil> I'd rather quality this time
[4:35] <Coburn> nongenuine
[4:35] <Coburn> over 50% of the sandisk cards are fake
[4:35] <Tachyon`> do you want me to link the good 16GB sandisk I got from amazon?
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[4:36] <Tachyon`> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007BJHETS/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
[4:37] <Tachyon`> I know that one from that seller is real, best I can do, lol
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[4:38] <ldionmarcil> heh. 10 pounds
[4:38] <ldionmarcil> that'll be like 50$ cad
[4:38] <ldionmarcil> how does one switch countries on amazon?
[4:38] <ldionmarcil> I know going to .ca will do but then I lose the item
[4:39] <ldionmarcil> never mind I got it
[4:39] <ldionmarcil> 24 bucks!
[4:39] <Tachyon`> you don't usually lose the item, I often replace .com with .co.uk and find the same item there, in pounds
[4:39] <Tachyon`> well, it's a good 16
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[4:40] <ldionmarcil> I dont reckon I need 16gb though
[4:40] <ldionmarcil> I was actually planning on buying an externally powered USB hub to power
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[4:40] <ldionmarcil> my external 1Tb drive*
[4:40] <Tachyon`> it's onyl 25% less for 8GB
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[4:40] <Tachyon`> you might as well get the 16
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[4:41] <Tachyon`> I had difficulties with an external USB disk on my pi, it kept losing it on the USB then redetecting it as another device, thus invalidating all the previvous mounts etc.
[4:41] <Tachyon`> but that could well have been a power issue
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[4:42] <ldionmarcil> most probably is...
[4:42] <SStrife> power issue, or one of those funny USB problems with the old firmwares.
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[4:43] <ldionmarcil> hehhh 27$ for a SD card. I don't think I want this
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[4:46] <Scriven> Hrm, anyone here have experience with USB keyboard/trackpad combo? Looking for one for the portable pi, but not sure if they're any good.
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[4:50] <Tachyon`> Scriven: the ones by perixx are quite nice
[4:50] <Tachyon`> and not too expensive
[4:50] <Tachyon`> I have one of their keyboard/trackball combinations
[4:51] <Tachyon`> although they do make some with trackpads I think
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[4:51] <SwK> Any Eagle experts about?
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[4:54] <UnaClocker> SwK: Yeah, sup?
[4:54] <UnaClocker> Speaking of which, KiCad run great on a Pi.. ;)
[4:55] <ldionmarcil> http://www.amazon.ca/Kingston-Digital-Memory-SD10G2-16GB/dp/B004TS1IG4/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=A2F70SVPQPLKPH
[4:55] <ldionmarcil> you guys think this is legit?
[4:55] <SwK> UnaClocker: d00t, quicky the defaults on the board layout checkers, are they pretty good?
[4:55] <UnaClocker> No, I always get the DRC from either the fab house I'm using, or one with looser standards, and use that.
[4:56] <SwK> FML
[4:56] <SwK> eagle crashed on my now the schematic wont open lol
[4:56] <UnaClocker> Mmm.. Running Windows
[4:56] <UnaClocker> ?
[4:56] <SwK> OSX actually
[4:57] <UnaClocker> Odd, never had it crash on me in OSX..
[4:57] <SwK> error: line 6716, column 6: redefinition of name 'GPA[0..7]' in tag <bus>
[4:57] <UnaClocker> Running the latest version? 6.4.0?
[4:57] <SwK> yep
[4:57] <UnaClocker> Mountain Lion?
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[4:58] <SwK> I can never keep up with apples rev codenames, but if thats 10.8 then yes lol
[4:58] <UnaClocker> hehe, I know the feeling..
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[4:58] <SwK> i have a hard enough time keeping up with the software I develop lol
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[4:58] <Scriven> Tachyon`, would rather trackball, but found them hard to find. Thanks, will look it up!
[4:58] <ldionmarcil> well isn't that great
[4:59] <ldionmarcil> from the verified SD card wiki page. SD10G2/16GB ultimateX 100X: ok
[4:59] <ldionmarcil> one line under, SD10G2/16GB ultimateX 100X : nok
[4:59] <UnaClocker> If you check in your project directory, every time you hit save, it'll create a backup of the previous schematic, you should be able to rename one of those and load it..
[5:00] <UnaClocker> SwK: Making anything interesting?
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[5:01] <Scriven> Tachyon`, what model # is yours?
[5:01] <Scriven> And do they make a bluetooth w/ trackball? :D
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[5:02] <UnaClocker> bluetooth mice are exceptionally rare.
[5:02] <SwK> UnaClocker: mixing i2c + 16x2 LCD (the RGB backlit one from Adafruit) with some keypad
[5:02] <UnaClocker> Ahh, cool.
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[5:02] <Tachyon`> Scriven: mine isn't sold anymore it seems
[5:03] <Tachyon`> at least not on amazon
[5:03] <UnaClocker> SwK: Where ya having the board made? Oshpark?
[5:03] <SwK> UnaClocker: if you've seen the LCD + 5 button shield they make, that plus a DTMF pad
[5:03] <Tachyon`> Periboard-706W is the model name however
[5:03] <SwK> UnaClocker: IDK yet lol
[5:03] <Scriven> Tachyon`, bummer. Thanks for the recommendation, I'll look them up. ;)
[5:03] <Tachyon`> I do like it, it's got an optical trackball
[5:03] <SwK> UnaClocker: I was about to ask you for a recommendation lol
[5:03] <Tachyon`> best trackball I've used and I've used a few, despite it being marble sized
[5:03] <Tachyon`> also a scroll wheel between left/right buttons
[5:03] <Scriven> Anyone know bluetooth wireless ones, since I'll have BT working anyway?
[5:04] <Tachyon`> somethign often left out
[5:04] <Scriven> hey cool.
[5:04] <Scriven> yeah, for sure.
[5:04] <Tachyon`> beware bluetooth keyboards, some don't work, the serial ones
[5:04] <Tachyon`> make sure it's HID type device
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[5:04] <UnaClocker> OSHPark is nice for small boards, or quick turn around.. Bigger boards, check out elecrow.com, they're in China, so it can take a month to get them back, but the price is better, though you'll end up with 10 boards...
[5:04] <Tachyon`> I just made that error and had a buy a device driver to use it with my phone
[5:04] <Scriven> Tachyon`, ah, thanks! didn't know that.
[5:05] <SwK> UnaClocker: so I'm getting this bus redefinition error, the file looks like XML, can I just combine manually the segments under the first definition for the bus?
[5:05] <Scriven> 2.4GHz Wireless version of it Tachyon` http://perixx.com/en/products/perixx-pro-8.html
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[5:05] <Tachyon`> ah, that's not really the same
[5:05] <Tachyon`> close though
[5:05] <UnaClocker> SwK: I dunno.. :)
[5:06] <Tachyon`> http://www.avalon.pc.pl/img/allegro/706w
[5:06] <Tachyon`> mine
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[5:06] <SwK> lol, well lets find out
[5:06] <Tachyon`> although oddly, mine has a battery indicator in place of the num/caps/scroll lock lights
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[5:07] <SwK> UnaClocker: the answer is yes you can lol
[5:07] <UnaClocker> :)
[5:08] <UnaClocker> Well the new OSX GUI SD card creation utility for the Pi doesn't seem to work.. crashed on me..
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[5:11] <ldionmarcil> what exactly is a video sd card?
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[5:15] <Tachyon`> ldionmarcil: one fast enough to capture good quality 1080p recording
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[5:23] <ldionmarcil> now to find a verified USB hub that can power the pi and ships to Canada...
[5:25] <ldionmarcil> in the verified peripherals wiki page, one goes
[5:25] <ldionmarcil> Powers the pi quite well, 4.85V across TP1&2 during idle and load. The PSU for the hub is a 2.5A 5v made in china. Seems solid. Does backfeed the mini USB port
[5:26] <ldionmarcil> what does that mean: Does backfeed the mini USB port
[5:26] <SwK> ldionmarcil: I have this one http://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP-H720P-High-Speed-7-Port-USB/dp/B0006TIA8Y and I actually use one of the ports from it to power my B rev2s
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[5:30] <ldionmarcil> most people mention no backfeeding...
[5:30] <ldionmarcil> i cant tell if its good or bad.
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[5:36] <retrosenator> yay finally ssh in over wifi
[5:36] <Datalink> ugh, non-pi issue but I have to kernel upgrade a redhat system I have no login for, on a drive it can't hande
[5:37] <Datalink> handle
[5:37] <retrosenator> kind of hard to do since I had to configure it all blind
[5:37] <retrosenator> so wit scripting errors there wasnt any feedback heh
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[5:38] <Datalink> I've done that
[5:39] <retrosenator> but yeah, now all working
[5:39] <retrosenator> I had to do an ad-hoc wifi nettwork since none of the cards support master mode
[5:40] <Datalink> I need to reconfigure my 703n some day
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[5:53] <SStrife> [14:26] <ldionmarcil> what does that mean: Does backfeed the mini USB port
[5:53] <SStrife> it means it shoots power out the "in" plug on the hub
[5:53] <ldionmarcil> so.. that's bad.
[5:54] <SuperLag> Datalink: do you have physical access to that RH system?
[5:54] <SStrife> for Pi, it doesn't matter
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[5:54] <ldionmarcil> oh
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[5:54] <SStrife> but it's not how they're supposed to work
[5:54] <ldionmarcil> why do people mention it on the peripehrical list then?
[5:54] <SStrife> because it's possible to power Pi using those hubs, so you don't need an extra cable from the hub's "out" to the Pi's power connector
[5:55] <SStrife> it just saves you a cable
[5:55] <ldionmarcil> so backfeeding = powers the pi?
[5:55] <SStrife> yeah
[5:55] <SStrife> through the Pi's USB ports.
[5:55] <ldionmarcil> so then it's good!
[5:55] <SStrife> for most cases, yeah, i think so
[5:56] <SwK> crappy usb hubs either backfeed power, or they keep trying to power devices plugged into them via the RPi's power bus when they shouldnt
[5:56] <ldionmarcil> I see
[5:56] <SStrife> yeah, a "good" usb hub shouldn't do it
[5:57] <ldionmarcil> but in the pi's case, we want that
[5:57] <SStrife> but it can be handy, and it doesn't usually negatively affect the operation of the Pi,
[5:57] <ldionmarcil> so for the peripherical list
[5:57] <ldionmarcil> " Powers the pi quite well, 4.85V across TP1&2 during idle and load. The PSU for the hub is a 2.5A 5v made in china. Seems solid. Does backfeed the mini USB port "
[5:57] <ldionmarcil> this is something I would be intesreted into ^ right?
[5:57] <SwK> I have my pi drawing power from the same hub i'm using for other devices being driven by the pi
[5:58] <SStrife> I remember something about Pi's polyfuses, I don't know whether that was to do with powering it thru the USB host ports or not.
[5:58] <SStrife> yeah, it's a pain in that circumstance.
[5:58] <shiftplusone> 4.85v is a bit on the low side, but should still work.
[5:58] <shiftplusone> I would aim for closer to 5v though.
[5:58] <Datalink> SuperLag, it's a 3TB hard drive sitting next to me, this is a case of physical hardware, not 'lol hlp me pwn some doob' or however the kids are saying it these days.
[5:59] <ldionmarcil> heh well this is the only "verified" one I could find that shipped to canada for less than 40 bucks
[5:59] <ldionmarcil> I guess I'll skip
[5:59] <SStrife> I power Pi through the GPIO header, personally. I don't like using the micro USB port for power cycling
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[6:00] <Datalink> mine sits on a wall wart or... currently... plugged into my server.
[6:00] <SwK> I working on getting mine power by a LithIon battery heh
[6:00] <SStrife> technically i power it via Gertboard, which is connected to the GPIO header ;)
[6:00] <SwK> I might have to try a LiPo at some point
[6:00] <SStrife> SwK ooh, fun DC-DC converter project time :)
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[6:02] <SwK> SStrife: I found a good 10Ah battery thats works good
[6:02] <SwK> SStrife: but its a little large for my application heh
[6:02] <SStrife> nice
[6:03] <SStrife> there a good high-capacity LiPo batteries available from remote-control car places like Hobby King
[6:03] <SStrife> are*
[6:03] <SwK> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009USAJCC/
[6:03] <SStrife> but they are only 3ish volts, I think.
[6:03] <shiftplusone> I am too lazy to do it myself right now, but I would pay about $5 for a small board with a barrel jack that takes about 7-20v and gives the pi a nice 5v supply through gpio, while still exposing the gpio pins for other purposes as well.
[6:03] <SwK> thats the one I have now??? 3A @5vdc max out, and only $40
[6:03] <retrosenator> SStrife:: buck regulator?
[6:04] <retrosenator> I have a 10ah 30v battery..
[6:04] <retrosenator> but my main bank is 800ah at 12 volts heh
[6:04] <SwK> shiftplusone: lol the board would probably cost that much to produce in short runs
[6:04] <SStrife> that amazon one looks good, it has the DC-DC converter built in
[6:04] <SStrife> a buck module could be the ticket
[6:04] <shiftplusone> SwK, I am hoping the Chinese are here.
[6:05] <retrosenator> there are $3 ones that can do 3 amps
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[6:05] <retrosenator> also they make $1 ones for usb that give 5 volts from up to 30
[6:05] <shiftplusone> SwK, for a more realistic price of about $10-$15, I would do it myself, heh.
[6:05] <SwK> I get about 10 hours outta this one
[6:06] <retrosenator> then put a solar panel on it for unlimited runtime heh
[6:06] <SStrife> going from higher voltages to 5 is easy to do cheaply, since there are nearly-1-chip switchmode PSU designs available
[6:07] <shiftplusone> Speaking of which. I need to get 6v from 5v in a cheap way =/
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[6:07] <SwK> now if I could just talk the RPi foundation into doing a C model lol, no ethernet, no RCA, no 1/8" audio, header pins for the USB, and 512M Ram heh
[6:07] <shiftplusone> looking into it now
[6:07] <SwK> oh and drop the camera connector I dont need that
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[6:08] <Hodapp> "*pspsfasfhhhtt* NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR USE CASE. *psssfshhht*"
[6:08] <SStrife> the easiest way to get 5V from a 3.7v LiPo would be to use two in series to get 7.4v, then regulate down with an LM switching reg
[6:09] <SStrife> cheap to build, wouldn't generate much heat
[6:09] <SStrife> if any
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[6:09] <SwK> Hodapp: lol ikr
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[6:10] <SwK> SStrife: yeah and I would be cool with that
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[6:14] <SwK> hah the BatteryPlate
[6:14] <retrosenator> is there a maximum sd card size? it only expanded to 8.4 gigs
[6:15] <SwK> what size is the card?
[6:15] <retrosenator> 16g
[6:16] <retrosenator> also. it failed to boot after doing that.. am I not supposed to write anything to disk after expanding?
[6:16] <SwK> i've always just rebooted at that point
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[6:16] <retrosenator> yeah probably a good idea
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[6:16] <retrosenator> I didn't, I decided to apt-get stuff heh
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[6:35] <retrosenator> I reimaged thee sd twice now and it isn't booting :(
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[6:44] <retrosenator> maybe first book takes a while?
[6:45] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, do you see the green LED flashing once in a while or is it just the red one?
[6:45] <retrosenator> just once
[6:45] <retrosenator> right at power up then never again
[6:45] <shiftplusone> that smells like a badly imaged or incompatible sdcard... or just dust in the connector.
[6:45] <retrosenator> I did the exact same as before
[6:46] <retrosenator> it was working then I expanded the partition and it quit working so I had to reimage
[6:46] <shiftplusone> Are you 100% sure you're imaging the whole disk and not just one partition?
[6:46] <retrosenator> I used dd
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[6:46] <retrosenator> on /dev/sdb
[6:47] <retrosenator> after that command it makes two partitions
[6:47] <shiftplusone> yup, sounds right. Have you checked the checksum of the file just incase?
[6:47] <retrosenator> I used the same file before
[6:47] <retrosenator> and it worked
[6:47] <shiftplusone> Then I blame magic O_o
[6:47] <retrosenator> is there any state in the pi that can be changed and stored after power is lost?
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[6:48] <shiftplusone> Not anything that I know of and certainly not anything that would cause it to fail to boot like that.
[6:48] <retrosenator> grr
[6:48] <retrosenator> maybe I just have to keep trying
[6:48] <retrosenator> its my only sd card
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[6:49] <shiftplusone> You've checked that the newly created partitions are not the same as the ones you had before, after you expanded?
[6:49] <shiftplusone> (the size of the second partition is around 2GB, not the whole sd card, right?)
[6:49] <retrosenator> yeah
[6:49] <retrosenator> right
[6:49] <retrosenator> its 1.8G
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[6:49] <shiftplusone> ... >=S
[6:50] <shiftplusone> Perform an exorcism on it and try again.
[6:50] <retrosenator> yeah trying
[6:51] <retrosenator> it was starting to work :-/
[6:51] <shiftplusone> 'starting to work'?
[6:51] <retrosenator> I mean I had wifi going and stuff
[6:51] <retrosenator> I was installing stuff
[6:51] <shiftplusone> Ah, before the reflash. That doesn't count.
[6:51] <retrosenator> but I gues you have to reboot right after expanding or it breaks it
[6:52] <retrosenator> then reflashing is not very lucky heh
[6:52] <retrosenator> 3rd try should be luck
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[6:52] <shiftplusone> Are you using a built in sdcard slot or some usb adapter?
[6:52] <retrosenator> built in
[6:53] <retrosenator> can you use a usb adapter?
[6:53] <shiftplusone> I mean on your pc, not the pi
[6:53] <shiftplusone> (to flash the card)
[6:53] <retrosenator> its built in but I think it actually is usb internally
[6:54] <shiftplusone> should be fine then. I was thinking maybe it's one of those cheap adapters which randomly disconnect and are unreliable.
[6:54] <retrosenator> right
[6:55] <retrosenator> still the same
[6:55] <retrosenator> green flashes once then its just red
[6:56] <retrosenator> hmm
[6:56] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, I had a pi which was a bit dodgy. It would read one of my sd cards fine every time, but the other would need to be reinserted 20 times before it would boot.
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[6:57] <retrosenator> but it worked every time after the first flash
[6:57] <retrosenator> and I removed and inserted the card like 15 times because I was modifying scripts
[6:57] <shiftplusone> I am grasping at straws here!
[6:57] <retrosenator> yeah
[6:58] <retrosenator> I found another sd card its only 4g though not 16
[7:03] <shiftplusone> any luck with the 4gb card?
[7:03] <retrosenator> still flashing
[7:03] <retrosenator> i think its slow
[7:05] <retrosenator> hmm still going...
[7:05] <shiftplusone> how long did the other card take to flash?
[7:05] <retrosenator> ok good
[7:05] <retrosenator> twice as long
[7:06] <retrosenator> 4.6MB/s (from dd)
[7:06] <retrosenator> instead of 9 or whatever
[7:06] <retrosenator> the 16gb card is cheap and old
[7:06] <retrosenator> this one is much newer maybe thats why
[7:06] <shiftplusone> Was just trying to make sure it wasn't quietly failing halfway through somehow.
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[7:07] <retrosenator> yeah, could have actually
[7:08] <shiftplusone> Also, I actually don't think that modifying the partition table and trying to write to the partition before you resize the filesystem would just corrupt the whole thing like that. It sounds more like you possibly have a failing sdcard.
[7:08] <retrosenator> yeah perhaps
[7:08] <retrosenator> I have another one just like it I got the same time
[7:08] <retrosenator> like 4 years ago
[7:08] <shiftplusone> on your pc, run dmesg and check if there are any write errors.
[7:08] <retrosenator> and it doesn't work at all
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[7:08] <retrosenator> no errors in dmesg
[7:08] <shiftplusone> hm
[7:08] <retrosenator> I have so much failed electronics its sad
[7:09] <retrosenator> butt being surrounded by salt water isn't exactly a good thing for it
[7:09] * Tachyon` blinks
[7:09] <Tachyon`> not usually
[7:10] <shiftplusone> Depends on how literal he's being. If your electronics are submerged in the salt water, that could be a problem, yes. =p
[7:10] <shiftplusone> I don't know how much salt affects electronics, but it certainly isn't too good for cars and such, so there might be some truth to that.
[7:11] <retrosenator> I mean I'm on a boat and salt water in all directions
[7:11] <retrosenator> and it gets in the air which blows in
[7:11] <retrosenator> all my plants taste salty
[7:11] <shiftplusone> I want a boat =(
[7:11] <retrosenator> i'll sell you mine
[7:11] <retrosenator> are you in new zealand?
[7:12] <shiftplusone> Melbourne
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[7:12] <retrosenator> not far, I could sail there
[7:12] <shiftplusone> How much do you want for it? =D
[7:13] <retrosenator> do you have any animals like llamas or camels?
[7:13] <shiftplusone> none that I know of
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[7:13] <Scriven> Hrm, did the raspbmc people break something? apt-get update fails on a few packages, one a b0rked dependency circle w/ xbmc itself.
[7:13] <retrosenator> i got it for $1000 but its probably worth like 5 or 6k now because its much more functional
[7:14] <shiftplusone> Scriven, don't know, but #raspbmc is an option.
[7:14] <shiftplusone> Ah, not in the right order of magnitude for me then.
[7:14] <Scriven> ah, thanks shiftplusone
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[7:16] <shiftplusone> I do wonder why you're in the market for a llama though. What good are they?
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[7:17] <retrosenator> carrying things
[7:17] <shiftplusone> ah
[7:18] <retrosenator> grr.. now trying to get wifi working without a display...
[7:18] <shiftplusone> no ethernet at all?
[7:20] <retrosenator> no cable
[7:20] <shiftplusone> If not, I think the only other option is serial. Actually, you could also use qemu and chroot into it and set it up from your pc.
[7:20] <retrosenator> I dont have serial either
[7:20] <retrosenator> I dont need qemu I can mount the filesystem and edit the config file
[7:20] <retrosenator> problem is, it isn't working for some reason
[7:21] <retrosenator> but I can type commands blind heh
[7:21] <shiftplusone> if you need to install the driver or firmware, you might need to apt-get some stuff.
[7:21] <shiftplusone> Which is where the chroot might come in
[7:21] <retrosenator> it worked before, I know the usb wifi I have will
[7:21] <shiftplusone> ah, true
[7:21] <retrosenator> so yeah no drivers needed
[7:21] <retrosenator> I did like "iwconfig > file"
[7:21] <retrosenator> to figurre stuff outheh
[7:22] <sadbox> Anyone here have a "pi holder" case? The milled aluminum one?
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[7:23] <Tachyon`> don't those cost as much as 2 or 3 pis?
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[7:23] <sadbox> roughly 2x a model B
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[7:25] <Tachyon`> I thought I was being wildly extravagant with the pibow
[7:26] <Tachyon`> lol
[7:26] <retrosenator> you could make a case out of an old inverter
[7:26] <retrosenator> i have plenty of broken ones heh
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[7:30] <sadbox> I ended up just buying one of the acrylic cases made by adafruit
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[7:31] <shiftplusone> Is that the one with the cutout for a gpio cable which doesn't actually fit a header through it? >=/
[7:31] <sadbox> shiftplusone: Both of them are like that
[7:32] <sadbox> (I prefer that style, personally)
[7:32] <shiftplusone> Is it stupid by design and they expect people to take the cable apart before passing it through or what?
[7:32] <sadbox> Though, I ordred it before I knew about the pibow... probably would have gotten one of those instead
[7:33] <sadbox> shiftplusone: wait, what? The slot is fully open when the top of the case is off
[7:34] <shiftplusone> I am talking about the adafruit one with the cutout for access to the GPIO.
[7:34] <sadbox> lemme check
[7:34] <shiftplusone> I have one like that, but I am not sure if it's "the pi house" or the adafruit case.
[7:35] <sadbox> shiftplusone: http://adafruit.com/products/859
[7:35] <sadbox> I ordred that one
[7:35] <shiftplusone> Either way, I am not happy with the acrylic cases I have tried. The pi rattles in them (mine doesn't have mounting holes) and they just seem poorly designed.
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[7:35] <shiftplusone> Yeah, that's not the one I am thinking of
[7:36] <Tachyon`> the cheap ones CPC sell for 4 or 5 quid don't rattle
[7:36] <Tachyon`> they hold the pi in with clips
[7:36] <sadbox> Again though, had I known about the pibow, I probably would have bought one =)
[7:36] <sadbox> I think they look damn snazzy
[7:36] <Tachyon`> I'm certainly happy with mine, that's for the demonstration pi though, lol
[7:37] <Tachyon`> even comes with a laser cut tool for assembling it
[7:38] <Scriven> local hack space laser-cut some custom clear acrylic cases, seems to hold the pi well once you figure out the puzzle.
[7:38] <shiftplusone> nice
[7:38] <Scriven> vancouver hackspace btw.
[7:38] <shiftplusone> I guess I shouldn't have bought those cases so soon after the pi came out.
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[7:39] <Scriven> I bought the original cases for my pi when they came out, the red ones. One round, 2 square. Using the round one for my Rpi-pvr.
[7:40] <xiambax> Are there any other variants like suss studio?
[7:40] <xiambax> suse
[7:40] <Tachyon`> sure
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[7:45] <xiambax> Oh
[7:45] <xiambax> Hair Scriven :D
[7:45] <xiambax> lol
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[7:45] <xiambax> Hair?
[7:45] <xiambax> I said oh hai.
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[7:45] <retrosenator> I get device or resource busy when I try to set mode on wlan0...
[7:45] <retrosenator> anyone know what makes it busy?
[7:45] <retrosenator> ifdown wlan0 doesn't seem to free it up either
[7:46] <xiambax> The Vancouver Hack Space was pretty rad.
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[7:47] * shiftplusone has never been to a hacker space yet.
[7:47] <xiambax> Its nerd heaven.
[7:47] <Scriven> xiambax, yeah, I had fun my visit.
[7:47] <shiftplusone> There's a good one here, but it's a bit too far away and expensive to be worthwhile for me right now.
[7:47] * Tachyon` points out nothing has been rad since the 1980s
[7:47] <Scriven> Yeah, VHS isn't cheap for full-key membership either.
[7:48] <xiambax> its only 50 dollars a month
[7:48] <Scriven> too rich for my blood anyway, at least until I start making $.
[7:48] <xiambax> its not bad
[7:48] <xiambax> Id pay 50 dollars to hang out there
[7:48] <Scriven> not terrible, no, but still too rich for me.
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[7:48] <Scriven> If they had more woodworking stuff I'd be more interested, cause I hack more than just computers and plastic. ;)
[7:48] <xiambax> You don't have to be a key holder.
[7:48] <a5m0> are there any cool r-pi python git repositories i can clone to my adafruit ide?
[7:48] <Scriven> xiambax, yeah I know, and can't be for 1st 3 months anyway, but for me 24/7 access would be the point.
[7:49] <xiambax> Scriven, There was a machining group that wanted to share space with them, you may want to look into that
[7:49] <Scriven> go down there after my kids go to sleep and hack a bit.
[7:49] <shiftplusone> That's close to what the Melbourne one charges. They're ok with people showing up to check it out without paying and they have a student/unemnployed rate as well, but still, it's more than it's worth for me.
[7:49] <Scriven> xiambax, machining would be cool too, another skill to learn.
[7:49] <Scriven> I donated $5 when I was there, for the case and knowledge. no problem doing that.
[7:49] <Scriven> IIRC they made $40 their 1st Raspberry Pi night.
[7:50] <xiambax> I took a case and forgot to donate, so i did over paypal. Then I found out the case i took was a dud
[7:50] <Scriven> and I learned my first gpio program. ;)
[7:50] <Scriven> xiambax, Bummer! :(
[7:50] <xiambax> Im not too worried. I have a pretty nice rpi case as it is :D
[7:50] <Scriven> and Hair scriven is totally appropriate, in my case. ;)
[7:50] <Scriven> <-- dreadlocks to his ass.
[7:50] <shiftplusone> What do you go to the hackerspace for? The machinery, the knowledge, socialising?
[7:50] <shiftplusone> all of the above?
[7:50] <Scriven> shiftplusone, all, yes.
[7:51] <xiambax> Scriven: I was the awkward kid to the left of you.
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[7:51] <xiambax> My RPi case. http://imgur.com/a/HUcsT
[7:51] <Scriven> they had an rpi night, so that got me in the door. They also had 3d printers, so that made me want to go. Have some friends who are members.
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[7:51] <Scriven> xiambax, Nice to see you again then! :)
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[7:51] <Scriven> Yeah, I like that case better than the child-soldered junk that would have been in there originally!
[7:51] <xiambax> :)
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[7:52] <xiambax> It was a really really old airport extreme that had a g range of 25 feet
[7:52] <Scriven> I've got an RT-N66U but I haven't flashed tomato on it yet, not sure what version, am thinking shibby.
[7:52] <xiambax> once of their first g devices
[7:52] <xiambax> Scriven: The russian firmware I am running is really nice
[7:53] <xiambax> Except firewall doesn't filter ipv6 :(
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[7:54] <xiambax> First world problems, My chair keeps lowering and won't stay up. so I am typing at a really awkward angle.
[7:54] <xiambax> My chair has E.D.
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[7:56] <siekoku> +1 shibby firmware
[7:56] <shiftplusone> xiambax, try something new.
[7:57] <tapout> is it the raspbmc that people use? I saw someone talking about xbmc on raspberry pi
[7:57] <xiambax> ;) I don't know what my chair is into.
[7:57] <xiambax> OpenELEC
[7:57] <xiambax> and Raspbmc
[7:57] <xiambax> By SAM at STM
[7:57] <tapout> which is better?
[7:57] <xiambax> Maintainer of CrystalBUNTU
[7:58] <xiambax> I would go with raspbmc
[7:58] <xiambax> for a media related os.
[7:58] <tapout> thx bro
[7:58] <xiambax> pibang or raspbian for desktop
[7:58] <xiambax> Sam takes all the hardwork out and has nice config scripts in raspbmc
[7:58] <shiftplusone> I'd go for OpenELEC as a media distro
[7:59] <shiftplusone> but yes, some people like raspbmc
[7:59] <tapout> media distro? what's the difference?
[7:59] <retrosenator> do you guys all use sd cards? or is there a better storage medium
[7:59] <xiambax> Yeah, Its all personal pref. Try both of them
[8:00] <xiambax> Class 10 SD cards are the way to go.
[8:00] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, you need the sdcard for the kernel and videocore firmware, but you can have your root partition on a hard drive over usb or even NFS.
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[8:01] * Tachyon` idly wonders why his doctor, in his town, in york, has sent him a mailshot from bath
[8:01] <xiambax> retrosenator: http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards <--- list of SD cards etc
[8:01] <tapout> do you guys with the class 10 cards find you're always io bound?
[8:01] <retrosenator> so solid state hd even
[8:01] <shiftplusone> xiambax, I was under the impression that the controller on the pi doesn't achieve class 10 speeds anyway and that there's no point going above class 4 O_o
[8:01] <tapout> i've got a kingston 16gb class 10 and it's always io bound
[8:01] <xiambax> Well no that would be a bad idea retrosenator
[8:02] <xiambax> Your SSD is limited by your usb bus.
[8:02] <xiambax> shiftplusone: it supports class 10 cards, I was unaware of restrictions.
[8:03] <xiambax> Nope, Some cards get better read write speads.
[8:03] <xiambax> *speeds
[8:04] <xiambax> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards#SD_card_performance
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[8:04] <Tachyon`> http://www.waeplus.co.uk/product/1291968/IOMEGA-Flash-Drive-Portable-External-Sol?ref=gooshop <- that'd nip along on the pi, 1.8" 64GB SSD
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[8:04] <Tachyon`> 191 read, 130 write (MiB/sec)
[8:05] <retrosenator> does it have to go thru usb?
[8:05] <retrosenator> well how else can you interface memory?
[8:05] <xiambax> On an RPI?
[8:06] <xiambax> http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#USB_bus
[8:06] <xiambax> peaks 31mbs
[8:06] <xiambax> so it is a little faster.
[8:06] <xiambax> Theoretical 60mbs
[8:07] <retrosenator> my problem isnt speed but reliability
[8:07] <retrosenator> the cards tend to go bad after a while
[8:07] <retrosenator> especially if you use swap on them
[8:08] <xiambax> Cost wise, Once you start adding ssd and all that other jazz the rpi might not be best suited for your purpose.
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[8:09] <Tachyon`> I tried adding a small 1.8" HDD
[8:09] <Tachyon`> but the power requirements are too high
[8:09] <Tachyon`> an SSD would be far better in that respect at least
[8:10] <shiftplusone> xiambax, thanks for the link earlier. Looks like some class 4 cards are faster than some class 10 cards, but the overall pattern is that class 10 are much faster. Thanks for clearing that up.
[8:10] <Tachyon`> (also, 1.8" drives are the same size as the pi
[8:10] <Tachyon`> don't buy kingston
[8:10] <Tachyon`> their speed really suffers on small files
[8:10] <Tachyon`> also, the c asings are prone to disintegration
[8:11] <Tachyon`> although maybe not on the pi so much, but on anything where you have to push teh card to eject it, they don't like that at all
[8:11] <xiambax> I wonder if anyone has implemented this on any of the rpi distros http://wiki.maemo.org/Swap_on_microSD
[8:11] <xiambax> "Swappiness is a kernel parameter which tells it how aggressively to swap. The more aggressive it is, more RAM is freed, but there is a performance impact, because more data needs to be swapped (written to the slower drive). "
[8:11] <Tachyon`> ah, asn't aware of that
[8:12] <shiftplusone> as far as I know, the default raspbian swapiness is something like 1 or 3
[8:12] <tapout> so it's either OpenELEC or Raspbmc? i'm installing raspbmc.. just wondering if there are others
[8:12] <shiftplusone> tapout, you can also just install xbmc on the distro of your choice, but it may be tricky, I don't know. Haven't tried.
[8:13] <tapout> my uncle is blind.. i'm hoping they have text to audio in xbmc so I can get this guy poking around and listening to his favorite programs
[8:14] <Tachyon`> you don't need to configure microsd for swapping
[8:14] <Tachyon`> as it already does swap on SD
[8:14] <Tachyon`> creates a 100MiB swapfile by default
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[8:14] <shiftplusone> raspbian does? O_o
[8:14] <Tachyon`> a swap partition avoids the potential problem of swapfile fragmentation (which is a seperate problem to swapspace fragmentation mentioned on that page)
[8:14] <Tachyon`> aye
[8:14] <shiftplusone> ah, good
[8:15] <xiambax> try both, its really easy to flash distros
[8:15] <retrosenator> cant you also have multiple swaps with different priority?
[8:15] <xiambax> see which one you like
[8:15] <retrosenator> I guess it always fills the highest priority swap first
[8:15] <shiftplusone> explains why they made sure swapiness was set low by default as well.
[8:15] <xiambax> I installed 4 distros on my laptop the other day
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[8:16] <xcadaverx> i'm confused here. I'm running arch linux ARM trying to over clock my rpi. I've edited /boot/config.txt and uncommented the arguments i wanted (modest settings.). after reboot, cat /proc/cpuinfo shows 450mips (weird???not even 700.) and /sys/devices/system/..../scaling_cur_freq still shows 70000. does arch control this differently?
[8:16] <Tachyon`> MIPS != MHz
[8:16] <xcadaverx> alright, is there another way i can check to ensure the settings too effect?
[8:16] <shiftplusone> also check the scaling governor
[8:16] <Tachyon`> it depends on a lot of things, primarily the architecture
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[8:17] <xcadaverx> "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq" returns "700000"
[8:17] <xcadaverx> took effect*
[8:17] <shiftplusone> What's the scaling governor though?
[8:18] <xcadaverx> how can i check that?
[8:19] <shiftplusone> Have a read of this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CPU_Frequency_Scaling
[8:19] <Tachyon`> I'd like to know why my new 512MB pi occasionally boots with no USB working
[8:19] <shiftplusone> Tachyon`, because you ordered from RS? =P
[8:19] <retrosenator> does the stock kernel have i2c support?
[8:19] <Tachyon`> I didn't though
[8:19] <Tachyon`> it's from CPC
[8:19] <xcadaverx> argh, i really have to check and set a governor to see if config.txt options took effect?
[8:20] <xcadaverx> that seems, odd.
[8:20] <shiftplusone> Tachyon`, rule out any obvious software issues and send it back anyway.
[8:20] <shiftplusone> xcadaverx, you probably don't have to. I am sure it took affect, it's just the way that I would check. I am sure there are other ways.
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[8:26] <factor> Has anyone in here used the c lib bcm2835 for the SPI interface?
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[8:27] <factor> I cant find out how to do the Data Command switch says GPIO 22 in some stuff , but not the official pin for it.
[8:27] <factor> No official pin for it , which sucks.
[8:28] <factor> Python nokia lib uses the serial TX pin, but dont want to block my serial connector
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[8:28] <factor> Think the bcm2835 lib is what i want , just wanted to know if the GPIO22 was it for that lib
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[8:30] <SwK> is there a super genius in the house that can tell me what the symbol in sector C1 of this schematic is? http://learn.adafruit.com/system/assets/assets/000/003/861/original/pilcdplate.png?1360171818
[8:30] <retrosenator> can the pi monitor its own power usage?
[8:31] <SwK> its the funky one off pins 15 16 and 17 of Ic1 (IC1 is a i2c to GPIO)
[8:31] <xiambax> I have three more rpis coming
[8:31] <SwK> retrosenator: not without you building something to do it
[8:31] <xiambax> Think I may turn one into a citadel email server
[8:32] <shiftplusone> SwK, haven't seen it myself. Try ##electronics
[8:32] <retrosenator> so like a spi adc sampling a resistor
[8:32] <retrosenator> but yeah.. its not built in
[8:32] <tensory> could someone help me understand the code sample on http://learn.adafruit.com/playing-sounds-and-using-buttons-with-raspberry-pi/code ?
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[8:33] <tensory> I'm trying to make sure I understand why the mp3 play would be triggered if GPIO.input(23) == False
[8:33] <tensory> is that the idiom in RPi.GPIO for a pin being set low?
[8:34] <tensory> or pulled low by input
[8:34] <SwK> tensory: probably biasing the input high, then the button is pulling it low
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[8:36] <tensory> thanks, SwK
[8:36] <tensory> now I'm hunting around for that really detailed chart of which pins start out at which level
[8:37] <tensory> ah yeah. this bad boy. http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs
[8:37] <SwK> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://elinux.org/images/2/2a/GPIOs.png&imgrefurl=http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals&h=581&w=254&sz=161&tbnid=3wMSyjIGZxyZ0M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=39&zoom=1&usg=__p0f_lIZJN_pECQfBa1pMYhNNFRY=&docid=PehAY2N2I2o8lM&sa=X&ei=laQaUesrh4LbBd_bgLgP&ved=0CD4Q9QEwAQ&dur=1220
[8:37] <SwK> that one?
[8:37] <SwK> lol
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[8:41] <factor> SwK, did you find out what it was?
[8:41] <factor> Looks like a simple switch to set address port.
[8:41] <factor> three ports.
[8:41] <factor> like a jumper
[8:42] <factor> normally they are set to low or gnd for the first port.
[8:42] <tensory> SwK: that one's helpful as well
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[8:44] <factor> looks like the chip has two 8 bits ports.
[8:45] <factor> But looking at the microchip data it sets the port number for i2c
[8:45] <factor> not the chip ports
[8:45] <SwK> factor: yeah??? I know what it does, but i wasnt familiar with the symbol
[8:45] <factor> so will be related to the driver port you specify to send it to , i imagine
[8:46] <factor> ok
[8:46] <SwK> I think i just figured it out tho??? the symbol looks like it might actually match up to a solder bridge heh
[8:46] <SwK> like here http://www.rapidtables.com/electric/solder-bridge.htm
[8:46] <factor> yes that as well like a jumper
[8:46] <factor> hardcoded jumper
[8:46] <SwK> but 2 way solder bridge, tie it high or low
[8:47] <shiftplusone> Hmm, good to know. Haven't stumbled upon that symbol before.
[8:47] <factor> Have not done i2c yet working on SPI at the moment
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[8:49] <SwK> i'm working on a mod of her board there...
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[8:49] <SwK> basically same exact thing, but adding another 8 bits of GPIO via the smaller version of the MCP chip, and adding a 4x3 matrix keypad (literally like a DTMF pad on a phone)
[8:51] <factor> SwK: also a kicad channel on freenode , its a linux program for schematics, they have libraries of those symbols
[8:53] <tapout> wow there is like ZERO lag on a movie with the raspberry pi, i wonder how an mkv will play, trying
[8:55] <SwK> factor: i dont use linux on the desktop
[8:55] <Xark> tapout: The GPU is pretty nice (arguably its best feature).
[8:55] <factor> SwK, sorry to hear that.
[8:56] <tapout> OMG , this is so damn great
[8:56] * gordonDrogon waves... rainy morning here.
[8:56] <tapout> is it better to have a USB drive or feed some shows off the class 10 card? is it able to move more bits on usb vs the card?
[8:56] <shiftplusone> hey
[8:57] <shiftplusone> tapout, usb is a little faster, yes.
[8:57] <Xark> tapout: Probably USB will be faster.
[8:58] <tapout> what about network vs usb?
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> you should be able to stream at ~20MB/sec from a local card which is plenty fast enough.
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> network will be 10MB/sec max. (100Mb Ethernet).
[8:59] <tapout> for some reason my mouse doens't work in raspbmc, anyone else have that?
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> which is also more than fast enough...
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[9:00] <tapout> how fast is the USB streaming then?
[9:00] <shiftplusone> around 30MB/sec peak I think
[9:00] <shiftplusone> just a guess though, so... double check.
[9:01] <tapout> won't this burn out the raspberry pi tho? running a media machine from it 24/7 ?
[9:01] <shiftplusone> http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#USB_bus
[9:01] <shiftplusone> tapout, does your mobile burn out running android 24/7?
[9:01] <shiftplusone> (it certainly shouldn't)
[9:02] <tapout> no but i saw the temps reported.. 135F .. and stuff
[9:02] <shiftplusone> What's that in real currency?
[9:02] <SwK> factor: I'm not sorry about it???. until they have the apps I require, its not worth the pain of rebooting or dealing with virtualization all the time
[9:02] <gordonDrogon> yea, ugh. multiply by 5, divide by 9, take away your shoe size.
[9:03] <shiftplusone> just checked, that's around 57 degrees. That's far from 'hot' for an arm chip.
[9:03] <shiftplusone> Start worrying if it's over 70
[9:03] * gordonDrogon nods.
[9:03] <factor> Swk: Microchip stuff pretty much works on Linux now.
[9:03] <shiftplusone> at 85 (by default, but adjustable) the firmware turns off all overclocking to cool it down.
[9:04] <gordonDrogon> breakfast time I think.... omlet today!
[9:04] <shiftplusone> And without overclocking you're not going to get anywhere near 80.
[9:05] <SwK> factor: yeah but photoshop doesnt, nor does any reasonable exchange client, nor does MS Office (and no the alternatives are not the same)
[9:05] <factor> Gimpshop does , it uses photoshop plugins as well and looks like it
[9:05] <factor> Linux office is more than fine
[9:06] <SwK> still not the same thing
[9:06] <factor> true its free
[9:06] <SwK> and until they all can read every last word doc and not screw the formatting its not the same
[9:06] <factor> http://www.gimpshop.com/
[9:06] <SwK> 1/2 the spreadsheets i have wont even recalc properly
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[9:07] <SwK> and its not just photoshop its the entire creative suite
[9:07] <factor> Its just embarrassing using windows. I feel bad for you.
[9:08] <SwK> i dont use windows either
[9:08] <factor> What do you use?
[9:08] <SwK> I use a OSX
[9:08] <factor> have not heard of it :P
[9:09] <shiftplusone> factor, why? people should use whatever works for them. SwK obviously has experience with his distro and linux and has decided that whatever he uses suits his needs in a way that linux doesn't.
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[9:09] <SwK> I develop software that runs mainly on Linux??? I have many racks of Debian servers heh
[9:11] <SwK> the thing is you choose what fits your needs and you go with it??? OSX allows you to develop software that runs on any *nix platform, compile test whatever locally (using all the autodrools/gcc/etc things you would use on linux then scp it over and recompile, a very narrow group of things are different
[9:11] <Hydra> shiftplusone, i second that. horses for courses.
[9:11] <SwK> you can even compile and run X apps heh
[9:13] <factor> its bad based.
[9:13] <factor> BSD^
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[9:13] <tapout> MAN I WANNA SCREAM THIS IS SO AMAZING lol
[9:13] <tapout> why isn't everyone doing this? damn this is SWEET
[9:13] <tapout> i hooked up my media center remote .. boom, worked almost instantly (enabled a few options)
[9:13] <tapout> media center ftw
[9:14] <shiftplusone> tapout, which distro?
[9:14] <tapout> i went with raspbmc
[9:14] <tapout> i haven't tried openelec yet
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[9:15] <SwK> factor: it was originally based off the fbsd userland to an extent???
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[9:20] <retrosenator> anyone use opengl?
[9:20] <retrosenator> does egl2 work?
[9:20] <factor> I just compiled the example. works good.
[9:21] <retrosenator> can it do glsl?
[9:21] <factor> yes
[9:21] <factor> egl2 is what the demos are.
[9:21] <retrosenator> i'm apt-get egl2 I hope that works
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[9:21] <retrosenator> which demos?
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[9:21] <factor> /opt/vc/src/
[9:22] <factor> has allthe source for openGLES 2 demos
[9:22] <factor> and it works
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[9:23] <retrosenator> oh, you don't need to download anything
[9:23] <factor> nope
[9:23] <retrosenator> fatal ft2build.h no such file
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[9:23] <retrosenator> is that normal?
[9:23] <factor> run rebuild.sh
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[9:24] <retrosenator> cool it does work
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[9:24] <retrosenator> too bad my display is really screwed
[9:24] <retrosenator> but I can kinda see it
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[9:25] <factor> yes, nice to have a gpu on the rasp pi
[9:25] <retrosenator> can you plug an lcd directly in without hdmi?
[9:25] <factor> I am working on a lcd via SPI currently
[9:25] <factor> non standard pins though. No standard D/C pin
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[9:25] <a5m0> are there any cool r-pi python git repositories i can clone to my adafruit ide?
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[9:26] <retrosenator> factor:: does gles work on it?
[9:26] <factor> it works , the code is gles2
[9:26] <SwK> a5m0: adafruit has a whole repo on github
[9:26] <factor> spinning cube
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[9:26] <a5m0> SwK, the ones it autoclones looked like it was all for their hardware kits
[9:29] <SwK> could be they have a ton o repos there
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[9:37] <retrosenator> factor:: did you have to write a kernel module?
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[9:40] <factor> nope, the c lib bcm2835 works fine
[9:40] <factor> http://www.open.com.au/mikem/bcm2835/index.html
[9:40] <factor> afk
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[9:46] <SStrife> [18:13] <factor> its bad based.
[9:46] <SStrife> Darwin is BSD based.
[9:47] <SStrife> OSX is primarily the userland stuff, which certainly is not.
[9:47] <SStrife> But a lot of the cool stuff in OSX is open source
[9:47] <SStrife> like Grand Central Dispatch
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[9:48] <SStrife> </pedantry>
[9:49] <shiftplusone> come now, it's IRC, there's no </pedantry>, only <pedantry>
[9:50] <SStrife> hahaha
[9:51] <shiftplusone> In fact I am surprised nobody has been pedantic enough to point that that would mean IRC doesn't care much for syntax.
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[9:53] <Xark> shiftplusone: You think that is bad, somebody forgot to close a quote a few pages back... :)
[9:53] <shiftplusone> D=
[9:53] * ChanServ sets mode +o shiftplusone
[9:53] <shiftplusone> who? >=/
[9:54] <Xark> Hehe
[9:54] * ChanServ sets mode -o shiftplusone
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> factor, nah, wiringPi ftw ;-)
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[9:55] <SStrife> I got a Cubieboard a few weeks ago
[9:55] <Xark> SStrife: How do you like it?
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[9:56] <SStrife> for web browsing and stuff, it whomps Pi, understandably
[9:56] <SStrife> but i do have a few complaints
[9:56] <SStrife> the gpio headers have the same pitch as the IDE connectors on 2.5" HDDs
[9:56] <Xark> SStrife: What OS are you running?
[9:56] <SStrife> so I can't use my regular-sized jumper straps and stuff
[9:57] <Xark> SStrife: Hmm, that is mildly annoying...
[9:57] <SStrife> Just the standard ubuntu image from Berryboot
[9:57] <SStrife> 12.04 i think, not the latest, but the repo is reasonably complete.
[9:58] <Xark> SStrife: Does it have any video support under Linux?
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> bit o fan odd size, but ...
[9:58] <SStrife> It's flaky...
[9:58] <SStrife> the Mali400 GPU isn't well supported in Linux from what I can tell
[9:58] <Xark> SStrife: Right.
[9:58] <jelly1> luckily the RPi GPU isn't too :D
[9:59] <SStrife> The RPi's GPU has some support though, you can run Quake 3 on it
[9:59] <jelly1> SStrife: yes but other then that it's useless, but the foundation isn't the blame it's the weak company's
[10:00] <jelly1> </rant>
[10:00] <mgottschlag> you should be able to run q3a on quake, too :)
[10:00] <mgottschlag> eh
[10:00] <mgottschlag> on mali
[10:00] <SStrife> yes yes! i agree with both those things, helly1 and mgottschlag
[10:00] <SStrife> jelly1 even
[10:00] <mgottschlag> both should provide proper gles2
[10:00] <jelly1> we miss some codecs
[10:00] <jelly1> and the RPC API is just silly
[10:00] <SStrife> i can't find a generic gles2 version of quake3
[10:00] <jelly1> but it's also unqiue that broadcom released it
[10:01] <SStrife> the foundation's one is hardcoded to use the broadcom stuff in /opt
[10:01] <jelly1> time for a opensource gpu ;)
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[10:01] <shiftplusone> jelly1, is 2013 the year of the opensource gpu?
[10:01] <jelly1> shiftplusone: haha
[10:01] <jelly1> i dunno
[10:01] <mgottschlag> the lima people are much more advanced than we are with the videocore - if you want to help us, https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv/wiki/VideoCore-IV-Programmers-Manual :)
[10:01] <SStrife> Android runs really nicely, but that's because there's vendor support because the Mali400 is in so many phones
[10:01] <jelly1> shiftplusone: well it's an arm issue
[10:01] <mgottschlag> anyways, bbl
[10:01] <jelly1> shiftplusone: on normal desktops you can accel any codec
[10:03] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv/wiki/VideoCore-IV-Programmers-Manual is amazing, yeah. I do hope you get more capable people coming aboard.
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[10:06] <jelly1> oh cool didnt see that
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[10:08] <shiftplusone> They've got some of the instructions working with llvm, so we might even have a proper compiler for the videocore eventually.
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[10:09] <SStrife> i guess y'all know about the red RasPi's ?
[10:09] <shiftplusone> However, when I try to fiddle with the videocore directly I feel like I should be playing with legos instead of using a computer. =( It's not that complicated but there's a bit to learn.
[10:09] <shiftplusone> SStrife, yeah, people know, it was on the front page. Some people have them already too.
[10:10] <SStrife> i mean
[10:10] <SStrife> about why they made them red?
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[10:10] <SStrife> it's cool that people have them though, the foundation makes pretty horrible decisions sometimes, i really don't understand it
[10:10] <shiftplusone> ah right... to distinguish them as chinese only
[10:11] <steve_rox> not available in uk
[10:11] <SStrife> and to catch out people trying to export them from china, to stop chinese sellers undercutting element14/rs
[10:11] <steve_rox> no CE stamp
[10:11] <shiftplusone> Makes it harder to resell and easier to spot them
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[10:11] <SStrife> but holy crap, i want the hell out of a red 512 Pi.
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[10:13] <jelly1> red 512Pi?
[10:13] <SStrife> a red Pi with 512MB ram :)
[10:13] <jelly1> i demand pics!
[10:14] <SStrife> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3195
[10:14] * jelly1 has already got 512MB ram
[10:14] <SStrife> my Pi's are launch units
[10:14] <SStrife> 256MB
[10:14] <SStrife> one of them doesn't even have the compliance marks on it
[10:14] <shiftplusone> I have one without the markings too =)
[10:14] <shiftplusone> I regret modding it though. Should've kept it stock for when it's worth millions
[10:14] <SStrife> i have no idea what to do with two, especially now I have a cubie board to play with
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[10:16] <SStrife> what mod(s) did you do?
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, yea, I have one of the first batch which I overvolted - no hardware mods though.
[10:16] <shiftplusone> just removed the polyfuses and linked the pads =(
[10:17] <shiftplusone> not even any fancy mod, just what they ended up doing later anyway.
[10:17] <SStrife> haha, dang.
[10:18] <SStrife> both of mine have toasty ethernet chip syndrome too
[10:18] * gordonDrogon nods.
[10:18] <shiftplusone> I know they'll never be worth millions of dollars, but maybe at least a million Vietnamese dong.
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[10:18] <shiftplusone> Isn't the ethernet chip always toasty?
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> pobblebeads.
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> there is a small wiring error on the Rev 1 boards to do with the ether/usb chip
[10:19] <SStrife> on some units, the ethernet chip overheats and causes all sorts of mis-behaviour
[10:19] <SStrife> that.
[10:19] <shiftplusone> O_o first time I am hearing of it, heh.
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> it has an internal 3.3v regulator - with an external pin which was supposed to have a decoupling capacitor fitted..
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> however they mis-read it and connected it to the Pi's own 3.3v line..
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> so on some, when it generates a higher 3.3v than the Pi's it ends up supplying more 3.3v, so gets hotter.
[10:20] <shiftplusone> ah ok
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> not sure if it was fixed on the 1.1, but it's foxed on the rev 2's.
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> er, fixed :)
[10:21] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I decyphered that. I didn't think that they were trying to fox it.
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[10:25] <SStrife> hmm, the rpi version of quake3 has bcm_sys_init() in sys_main.c
[10:25] <SStrife> i wonder what the mali400 equivalent is...
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[10:33] <retrosenator> isnt that a waste of power?
[10:33] <retrosenator> anyone put a bucking regulator on?
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[10:39] <gordonDrogon> retrosenator, is what a waste of power?
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[10:40] <retrosenator> the regulator
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> oh.
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> Yes. it is.
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> However an SMPS regulator would have added to the cost - which was a big factor.
[10:42] <retrosenator> aren't there ones which are under $1?
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> people have used 5v and 3.3v SMPS units to power their Pi's - and they do save a few mW. Good for battery operation.
[10:42] <retrosenator> I guess you need caps too
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> and an inductor :)
[10:42] <retrosenator> right
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> and board space.
[10:43] <retrosenator> yeah of course not everyone wants everything and everyone wants things that there aren't
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> quite a few projects doing it - e.g. first google hit: http://hackaday.com/2012/07/07/another-switch-mode-regulator-swap-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> retrosenator, you can please some of the people some of the time, etc. :)
[10:45] <retrosenator> well I'm still trying to figure out why 90% of the time I can't boot into ad-hoc mode using the debian network script...
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> no idea - I don't use Wi-Fi
[10:45] <retrosenator> its like it doesn't know it has to ifconfig wlan0 down; iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc; ifconfig wlan0 up
[10:45] <retrosenator> yeah I have no alternative to wifi
[10:46] <retrosenator> at the moment anyway.. eventually I'll try to get a serial cable and ethernet
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> why ad-hoc and not infrastructure?
[10:48] <retrosenator> what is infrastructure?
[10:48] <retrosenator> does that require access points?
[10:48] <retrosenator> like mode managed?
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> standard client to an access point
[10:48] <retrosenator> yeah I'm trying to do figure out hostap actually that may work for me
[10:48] <retrosenator> ad-hoc is just simpler
[10:49] <SStrife> or spend like $19 on a TP-Link access point ;)
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> if you have an access point then it's not.
[10:49] <retrosenator> I can't just go buy stuff like that
[10:49] <retrosenator> I have to mail order it and it takes weeks
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> why not?
[10:49] <retrosenator> i'm in new zealand
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> you're in Brazil then?
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> Ah, probably just as bad.
[10:49] <SStrife> i never got ad-hoc working properly, barring Nintendo DS multiplayer...
[10:50] <retrosenator> they probably have it but it would cost $59 not $19
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> so you have Ethernet to your PC, then trying to bridge PC to Pi via Ad-Hoc Wi-Fi ?
[10:50] <retrosenator> ad-hoc works great
[10:50] <retrosenator> evene masquerading so the pi goes ad-hoc to the netbook then that gets online
[10:50] <retrosenator> just isn't working with the debian scripts
[10:50] <retrosenator> netbook has 2 wifi devices
[10:51] <retrosenator> there is no ethernet anywhere heh
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> just run an Ethernte cable from the netbook to the Pi?
[10:51] <retrosenator> I don't have one
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> no cable?
[10:51] <retrosenator> the one I have dosn't work
[10:51] <SStrife> that is something I enjoy about gigabit ethernet, if not for the speed, then just for the abolition of crossover cables...
[10:52] <retrosenator> yeah well.. it even autonegotiates I think
[10:52] <SStrife> thats what i mean
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> yea, but it's been a long-time since I needed an x-cable on 10/100. I think the Pi is auto too.
[10:52] <SStrife> :)
[10:52] <retrosenator> but yeah no cable no good
[10:52] <retrosenator> and my splice tool completely rusted
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> go & buy one?
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> no local shops at all?
[10:52] <retrosenator> yeah possible to buy for $20
[10:53] <retrosenator> but its almost midnight so they aren't open.. maybe tomorrow
[10:53] <retrosenator> and if you are wondering why I can't just have the pi connect to the access point the netbook uses...
[10:53] <retrosenator> I need a special long range hookup to even get internet at all
[10:53] <retrosenator> so I only have one of those
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> your internet comes in via Wi-Fi ?
[10:54] <retrosenator> yes
[10:54] <retrosenator> hence the need for two wifi devices one to get internet the other for the pi
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> ok. no real issues - the pick-up will be a client bridge with ethernet? If so, then connect it to a local router & use that.
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> I ran a Wi-Fi broadband setup like that for abou 300 people onceuponatime...
[10:55] <retrosenator> I have a buffalo router...
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> most people just connected their 1 PC to the bridge, but some bought routers off us, or used their own
[10:55] <retrosenator> I think it has tomato on it
[10:55] * gordonDrogon nods.
[10:56] <retrosenator> anyway I forget the config and it needs ethernet to configure it anyway
[10:56] <SStrife> I wish i could get dd-wrt or tomato for my Airport Extreme
[10:57] <SStrife> it's got screaming fast wifi and LAN-WAN speed, but damn thing reboots every time you do so little as change a port forward
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[10:57] <retrosenator> I have a wood fire less than half a meter from all this
[10:57] <retrosenator> i'm going to bake something
[10:57] <retrosenator> i picked up some driftwood floating by today
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[10:58] <SStrife> picking up driftwood, raw fire for cooking, AND wifi internets? what a life! ;)
[10:58] <retrosenator> i'm going to run hostap on the netbook I think
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> I have a wood fire behind me ...
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/officeFire.jpg
[11:00] <SStrife> lovely
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[11:01] <SStrife> We used to have a fireplace like that at my folks' old place
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[11:01] <gordonDrogon> we have a bigger one in the livingroom.
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> Hm. might light it up today - it's a bit chilly.
[11:01] <SStrife> Right now I have a noisy window-mount air conditioner humming away... pretty much the dead opposite of a nice fireplace.
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> 7C outside...
[11:01] <SStrife> we had 32C today ;)
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> I have some beach pebbles that masquerade as coal...
[11:02] <retrosenator> the fire is in a discarded gas bottle I found
[11:02] <retrosenator> with an exhaust pipe welded to it heh
[11:02] <retrosenator> nice, mine is pretty small but my boat is pretty small too
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> ah, boaty person.
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> right. some local stuff to do now. laters.
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[11:04] <SStrife> seeya.
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[11:09] <retrosenator> I wonder if people use pi
[11:09] <retrosenator> set them up places to download stuff and come back for them later
[11:10] <retrosenator> you could hide them pretty easily in range of public wifi
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> heh... just seen an egg being laid. opend the nest box, the chick stood up and out popped a hot egg!
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[11:14] <SStrife> delish
[11:16] <retrosenator> i thought about getting a laying hen
[11:17] <retrosenator> I have a mating pair of praying mantises
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[11:20] <steve_rox> how romantic
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[11:56] <doomy> hi
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[12:06] <dhbiker> mornin
[12:07] <dhbiker> err... why does my mouse lag so much ? when i move it the cpu load gets big too
[12:07] <dhbiker> what am i doing wrong ? :/
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[12:07] <retrosenator> I got it! hostapd
[12:07] <retrosenator> now the pi automatically connects no problems
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[12:10] <retrosenator> I wonder if people consider making rpi into routers
[12:10] <retrosenator> or access points anyway
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[12:10] <Weaselweb> retrosenator: just 1 LAN port (on model B). useless for a router
[12:10] <Dyskette> retrosenator: I've seen at least one guide for doing exactly that with iptables
[12:11] <mjr> access points have been done, probably routers too (with extra ethernet), but it's not a use case where the pi would especially shine
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[12:12] <retrosenator> what if someone hypothetically put two wifi cards in and broadcast as a free wifi network
[12:13] <retrosenator> then relaying all the data, and manipulating things so that any ssl certificats get "repackaged" with a new cert allowing the rpi plain text view of the data
[12:13] <retrosenator> then hid this device in a public place like the top of a tree in a park powered by a small solar panel
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> retrosenator, it's possible - main issue is the single USB which is half duplex, but I know some people who are using as a router/firewall.
[12:14] <retrosenator> ok, so the bandwidth is limited
[12:14] <SStrife> without being trusted by everybody you intended to impersonate, users would receive "Certificate does not match host name" and or "Certificate not issued by trusted issuer"
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> retrosenator, that hack with the ssl's isn't as possible as you might think. clients would detect the man-in-the-middle attack with ssl.
[12:15] <linuxstb> retrosenator: You would be much better buying a cheap router that can run dd-wrt or similar. I expect you could buy one on ebay cheaper than a Pi...
[12:15] <retrosenator> SStrife:: maybe (even though you can download cracked certs) but its proven 99% of people click yes anyway because they just want to use the site
[12:15] <retrosenator> linuxstb:: but it would lack in horsepower for packet manipulation
[12:16] <retrosenator> I know I've had to click yes.. and this is especially true when its free wifi.. you figure you have to do whatever it takes to gain access and people all do
[12:16] <linuxstb> The Pi isn't exactly overflowing with horsepower, unless you can harness the GPU
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[12:17] <retrosenator> compared to a ddrt
[12:18] <retrosenator> ok it's a bad idea anyway
[12:18] <retrosenator> It could be useful for control algorithms like an autopilot with inertial sensors
[12:18] <Weaselweb> hell, it lacks a switch and gigabit link
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[12:19] <retrosenator> Weaselweb:: not for a wifi<->wifi bridge
[12:20] <Weaselweb> bridging wifi is not that easy though, especially with enabled encryption
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[12:21] <retrosenator> open networks don't use encryption
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[12:27] <retrosenator> hardware accelerated gl doesn't work in x yet right?
[12:28] <retrosenator> just egl
[12:29] <FR^2> what are you up to?
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[12:31] <retrosenator> I want to run opencpn on the pi.. but it helps to have opengl
[12:32] <Dyskette> retrosenator: the rpi gpu doesn't support opengl, just opengles.
[12:33] <retrosenator> which is just a subset anyway of opengl
[12:33] <retrosenator> you mean the driver not the actual gpu
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[12:33] <retrosenator> well if it would be possible to use wxwidgets without x and have it run on top of gles not gtk...
[12:34] <retrosenator> gtk can run on top of framebuffer already
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[12:34] <retrosenator> so basically no, it isn't going to work
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[13:01] <doomy> does it exist a graphical web browser, which can run with egl (so I won't have to startx) ?
[13:02] <Dyskette> doomy: dunno about egl, but I think links2 -g can run in framebuffer
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[13:02] <Dyskette> It's hardly a very modern browser, though
[13:03] <factor> iceweasle works, but not to full capability.
[13:04] <factor> no html 5
[13:04] <factor> let alone webgl
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[13:06] <doomy> Dyskette: you're right, I just forgot about framebuffer support
[13:06] <doomy> still interresting for iceweasel
[13:07] <doomy> thanks both of you
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[13:20] <code-guru> hi
[13:20] <ParkerR> Hello
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[13:20] <code-guru> anybody can confirm if they have this issue https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/146 ?
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[13:20] <ParkerR> Wb Viper-7
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[13:22] <ivotkl> Hello everyone.
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[13:23] <code-guru> hi ivo
[13:24] <code-guru> so many people, why so quiet ?
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[13:24] <ivotkl> Hahaha.
[13:25] <ivotkl> Here I go: I have a bit of a concern about my Pi order. I ordered it on Monday Feb 4th, around 1-2 a.m. UK time. I cannot track it and have not received e-mail that package has left rsdelivers dispatch.
[13:25] <ivotkl> Order said dispatch expected within a week...
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> ivotkl, RS? Hm.
[13:25] <DDave> ivotkl, send an email to them, expect a reply in 2-3 working days
[13:26] <code-guru> then you should contact RS
[13:26] <DDave> My email actually arrived the day I got my rpi in the mail.. :D
[13:26] <ParkerR> code-guru, For a lot of people this is very early in the morning
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> I ordered a Pi at about 2pm on a Friday - 3 weeks ago and got it the following morning (saturday). Farnell.
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> ParkerR, in the UK it's lunchtime :)
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> ish.
[13:26] <ivotkl> Will do. Thanks. gordonDrogon and DDave.
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[13:27] <code-guru> Parker, oh sorry
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> ivotkl, are you in the UK?
[13:27] <code-guru> do you know if any RPi firmware developer around here ?
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[13:29] <ivotkl> gordonDrogon: nope. I'm in Argentina
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[13:30] <gordonDrogon> ivotkl, Ah. If it's anything like delivery to Brazil, then expect a long wait...
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[13:31] <ivotkl> Well, we are next to Brazil.
[13:31] <ivotkl> I was expecting it to arrive in 3 weeks tops, but I was hoping I could track it within a week on DHL's site. =(
[13:32] <Viper-7> RS have issues
[13:33] <Viper-7> apparently they dont do tracking at all on Pi orders, and can leave people hanging for months, unless you call and hassle them out
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[13:33] <Tachyon`> refund, cpc order, sorted
[13:33] <Tachyon`> oh, argentina, maybe not
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[13:34] <ivotkl> But I called DHL here and was told that with number I was given I could track it once package is in their hands.
[13:35] <ivotkl> Maybe I should've bought it from the US instead...
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> maybe you should have bought a big box of them to resell locally...
[13:37] <Viper-7> when i ordered RS claimed they had stock, yet when i called them after a month they said it was waiting on backorder. called them back the next day they said they had plenty of stock, and it was already on its way. the next day it was held up at customs, the next day it their stock was moving between warehouses and hadnt been dispatched to me yet, the next day it arrived
[13:37] <Viper-7> funny how it takes more than 1 day to get here from their local office, and how it arrived 4 days after i started calling and hassling them
[13:37] <ivotkl> gordonDrogon, Hahahaha. Nah, not really. I've thought about it, but here we have customs things...
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[13:38] <ivotkl> Viper-7, where do you live?
[13:38] <Viper-7> Sydney
[13:38] <ivotkl> I believe distance is somewhat similar.
[13:38] <Viper-7> so basically, everything they told me was a lie, from the initial stock report on their website, to every word out of their staff`s mouth
[13:38] <ivotkl> xD
[13:38] <Viper-7> i`ll certainly never be dealing with them again
[13:39] <Viper-7> btw, a friend ordered one from element 14 two days after i ordered mine
[13:39] <Viper-7> took less than 2 weeks for him
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[13:39] <ivotkl> Will do next time. =P
[13:39] <ivotkl> Is it at the same price?
[13:39] <Viper-7> yup
[13:40] <Viper-7> the only reason i didnt order from e14 initially, was because RS claimed they had stock, e14 said `call`
[13:40] <nid0> delivery costs to argentina may vary though
[13:40] <Viper-7> silly me
[13:40] <ivotkl> I know, I have to pay customs as well.
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[13:42] <ivotkl> You know what's the most sad thing? Element 14 links to a store in Brazil, which I believe would've given me little to none time until I get it.
[13:43] <ivotkl> Sorry, saddest thing.
[13:43] <nid0> chances are it'd still be coming from the uk though
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[13:44] <ivotkl> Yeah, and it is overpriced as well. So...
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[13:44] <ivotkl> Just the board is around 86 USD from Brazillian site.
[13:44] <ParkerR> ...
[13:44] <ParkerR> D;
[13:45] <nid0> thats a markup and a half
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> I think there are some interesting practices going on when importing to S. American countries...
[13:46] <ivotkl> Such as?
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[13:51] <ivotkl> gordonDrogon, Such as?
[13:52] <Tachyon`> hrm, CPC have just sent me a gertboard, a coiple of connectors and a pcb drill in a box a full desktop pc could fit in, including monitor
[13:52] <Tachyon`> it's almost all airbags
[13:52] <ivotkl> Cool.
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[13:54] <Tachyon`> well, no, not so much, lol, wasteful!
[13:55] <ivotkl> But at least your stuff did not get damaged. =P
[13:55] <ivotkl> what's their site BTW?
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[13:56] <Armand> ivotkl, it's google.com :P
[13:56] * Armand smirks
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[13:59] <ivotkl> Armand, Google gave me anything on first page but their site.
[14:00] <ivotkl> found it.
[14:00] <Armand> http://cpc.farnell.com/ < first match on Google.co.uk
[14:00] <ivotkl> =$
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[14:03] <gordonDrogon> ivotkl, high import duties, taxes, delays, etc.
[14:04] <ivotkl> Oh, yeah. I know. But let's hope I get it by the beginning of March. =P
[14:04] <ivotkl> Keep your fingers crossed for me.
[14:05] <ivotkl> CPC prices are really low!
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[14:06] <ivotkl> And I believe they are better than RS in deliveries...
[14:07] <Flexnard> anythings gotta be better then Allied/RS
[14:07] <Flexnard> hell I'd rather ebay then use Allied/RS
[14:07] <ivotkl> Shame on me then. =P
[14:08] <ivotkl> Should've asked more than I did here before buying. =P
[14:08] <Flexnard> lol
[14:08] <Flexnard> I ordered originally from allied
[14:08] <ivotkl> And what happened?
[14:08] <Flexnard> they completely lost the order and told me the number I was given from the site was invaild..
[14:09] <ivotkl> OMFG. =P
[14:09] <ivotkl> Sorry for the Foul Language. =$
[14:09] <ivotkl> OMG.
[14:09] <ivotkl> Now we're good. =P
[14:09] <ivotkl> Hahaha, anyways... So next time should I order from CPC? =D
[14:09] <Flexnard> the good news is they they where so incompient they didn't take any money out of my account..
[14:10] <Flexnard> not sure never ordered from them
[14:10] <ivotkl> So it came out for free?
[14:10] <Flexnard> no I ended up getting (ordering a second time) at Element 14
[14:10] <ivotkl> Cool. How do those guys work? I guess better.
[14:11] <Flexnard> well they didn't loose the order and I ordered my pi on a friday and goes it on a monday :P
[14:11] <Flexnard> err
[14:11] <ivotkl> You got it the following business day?
[14:11] <Flexnard> and it got here on monday
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[14:11] <ivotkl> Woah!
[14:11] <Flexnard> yup
[14:12] <ivotkl> Element14 UK?
[14:12] <Flexnard> nah US
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[14:12] <ivotkl> Ok, then I'm ordering from E14 US next time. =P
[14:12] <Flexnard> lol
[14:13] <ParkerR> Yeah
[14:13] <ParkerR> E14 US had my Pi to me in 5 days
[14:13] <ParkerR> Exoected ship was like 3 weeks into the future
[14:13] <ParkerR> *Expected
[14:13] <ivotkl> As long as I'm getting my Pi, I don't care as money was already charged to my card.
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[14:17] * IT_Sean Raspi Shipping Update: Out for Delivery
[14:18] * pronto wants one of the red pi's :(
[14:19] <IT_Sean> They will start turning up on fleebay soon enough
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[14:19] <Flexnard> haha IT_sean
[14:20] <IT_Sean> ?
[14:20] <Flexnard> smiling with you that your pi is out for delivery
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[14:20] <IT_Sean> Ah. Yes. I am pleased. )
[14:22] <pronto> how many Pis did you order?
[14:22] <IT_Sean> ... ...
[14:22] <IT_Sean> One.
[14:22] <pronto> oh :(
[14:23] <pronto> http://pibanglinux.org/ this distro looks intersting
[14:23] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
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[14:28] <ivotkl> ME? 1 just to begin with.
[14:32] <ivotkl> Downloading PiBang. =P
[14:33] <ivotkl> I'm thinking maybe more than one 4 GB SD HC card and installing different OSs in it.
[14:34] <pronto> they're cheap on amazon
[14:35] <FR^2> First two sdcards I bought where class 10 16GByte, but then I noticed that the linux installation doesn't take that much space and I'll be using an usb harddrive anyway ;)
[14:37] <ivotkl> Cool, So I'll ask at a local IT gallery if they have 4GB Class 10 or 8 GB Class 10. Will any USB Hub work? I mean, it's just connections, right?
[14:38] <IT_Sean> you want a powered hub, for anything other than mice / keyboards
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[14:39] <ivotkl> Yes, I know. Only 2 slots on Pi B
[14:39] <ivotkl> Yes, I know. Only 2 slots on Pi B.
[14:40] <pronto> Yes, You know. Only 2 slots on the Pi B.
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[14:41] <ivotkl> Are Transcend SD Cards good? I've never used them and I blindly trust in Sandisk.
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[14:42] <Flexnard> never used them, I wouldn't use a PNY card though.
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[14:43] <ivotkl> What is a PNY carD?
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[14:43] <Flexnard> PNY is a brand of SD card
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[14:43] <ivotkl> Oh, it's a brand. I just googled it. =P
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[14:44] <ivotkl> Thanks Flexnard, I was between choosing Sandisk or Sandisk in the first place anyway.
[14:44] <ivotkl> I found one rather cheap.
[14:44] <ivotkl> around 15 USD, which is cheap where I live in. =P
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[14:45] <mjr> so your choice is between sandisk and sandisk knockoff with no idea which is which ;)
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[14:45] <ivotkl> Hahaha.
[14:45] <dhbiker> i have Transcend card 32GB class10 works fine
[14:45] <ivotkl> How long ago have you bought it?
[14:45] <dhbiker> month ago
[14:45] <ivotkl> is it 90MB/sec?
[14:46] <mjr> 90MB/s is rather wasted on the pi
[14:46] <Weaselweb> does rpi actually support UHS?
[14:46] <ivotkl> Oh, ok.
[14:46] <dhbiker> i *think* its around 23MB/s
[14:46] <mjr> it'll do whatwasit, 20MB/s
[14:46] <mjr> it was 20-25 anyway
[14:46] <ivotkl> You're right.
[14:47] <ivotkl> It's more than enough for Linux needs. =)
[14:47] <dhbiker> umm anyone knows why the GUI is so laggy ? :/
[14:47] <pronto> because its an ARM cpu?
[14:47] <pronto> justsaying
[14:47] <dhbiker> lol pronto ...
[14:47] <ivotkl> Hahaha.
[14:48] <pronto> a slow one at that >.>
[14:48] <mjr> slow cpu with no acceleration for the GUI, that'll do it
[14:48] <dhbiker> nice combo
[14:48] <dhbiker> xD
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[14:48] <ivotkl> Ok, so if I buy an Class 6 instead will it work as fast on any Rasp OS as Class 10?
[14:48] <dhbiker> meh i'll be using it for music player anyways so no GUI needed
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[14:49] <pronto> dhbiker: they're great for 1080p play back as well
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[14:51] <dhbiker> i know.. but no need for that atm
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[14:51] <SixtyFold> dhbiker - what is a great CLI music player that handles .pls .m3u?
[14:52] <pronto> http://raspberry.bagels.xxx/cam/aa.html got one of mine set up as a 'secuirty cam' :D
[14:52] <pronto> mpd i think
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[14:53] <dhbiker> SixtyFold: i use XMMS2
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[14:55] <ivotkl> pronto, is that your house?
[14:55] <pronto> ivotkl: yeha
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[14:56] <ivotkl> It seems nice. It also looks like a pretty place/neighborhood to live in.
[14:56] <pronto> $$$$ as well :(
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[14:57] <ivotkl> Oh... Well, you usually can't have both lol. Where is it?
[14:57] <SixtyFold> dhbiker - thanks
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[14:57] <SixtyFold> im highly interested in just using almost 90% all CLi from the future on
[14:57] <pronto> ivotkl: maryland
[14:57] <SixtyFold> and im always looking for new programs for it
[14:57] <Hodapp> eeep, was somehow conned into giving a talk at a hackerspace on the Raspberry Pi and it ended up with a crowd of 40-45 people
[14:58] <pronto> Hodapp: which hackerpsace?
[14:58] <Hodapp> Hive13 in Cincinnati, same one I always talk about :)
[14:58] <dhbiker> SixtyFold: it's pretty easy to use xmms2 in CLI so enjoy
[14:58] <SixtyFold> the only thing i want a windows manager for is Firefox
[14:58] <pronto> ... i think i've asked you this before haha
[14:58] <SixtyFold> dhbiker cool
[14:58] <Hodapp> Doesn't mplayer handle .pls and .m3u?
[14:58] <pronto> << the one from UAS
[14:58] <Hodapp> people came to learn about the Pi but I ended up learning about various cool projects too
[14:59] <SixtyFold> Hodapp - does mplayer work solely in the terminal without a windows manager?
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[14:59] <pronto> Hodapp: visit UAS and to a Pi presidnetation :D
[14:59] <Hodapp> SixtyFold: If you invoke it on audio, that's the default behavior
[14:59] <SixtyFold> ok
[14:59] <Hodapp> SixtyFold: with a video - it may try to use aalib, idk :P
[15:00] <SixtyFold> ahh, i doubt id need a video, but yah
[15:00] <Hodapp> A guy came who had done a lot of work with openFrameworks and with OpenGL ES on the Pi and I thought that was pretty awesome
[15:00] <ivotkl> Will 15MB/s work good enough?
[15:01] <ivotkl> (Talking about SD Cards)
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[15:04] <Hodapp> for what?
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[15:06] <IT_Sean> ahoy
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[15:23] <ivotkl> Hodapp, for normal use, I will probably get a HDD USB powered bay or a USB HDD directly.
[15:25] <woshty> what is the max transfer speed i will get from the sd? any suggestions on what card to buy?
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[15:25] <nid0> 20MB/s is where you'll top out on a pi
[15:25] <Grievre> Sweet I managed to make the raspbian kernel panic
[15:25] <nid0> any decent class 6 will manage thaty
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[15:27] <woshty> nid0: thx
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[15:31] <woshty> and max size, what about sdxc?
[15:31] <mjr> xc maximum size is 2 terabytes
[15:32] <woshty> and that is supported?
[15:32] <mjr> I don't see why not if xc works at all
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[15:32] <woshty> :)
[15:34] <pronto> welp ... looks like after ~6 days of uptime some how my pi went down
[15:34] <Grievre> How to crash raspbian kernel: enable the I2C driver, set it to 400kHz
[15:35] <Grievre> then start two processes that write random 96-byte packets to random addresses on each of the two i2c buses
[15:35] <Grievre> (one process per bus)
[15:35] <nid0> sdxc is not supported by the pi
[15:36] <nid0> most 64GB sdxc cards will work because they conform to sdhc standard, but larger ones wont
[15:36] <Grievre> OH
[15:36] <Grievre> it helps if you don't have a full disk
[15:36] <Grievre> :<
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[15:38] <woshty> nid0: so basically most i can buy with 32gb should work then? what fs are to be used on sdcards with the pi?
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[15:39] <Grievre> blah
[15:39] <Grievre> okay so
[15:39] <Grievre> crash is probably due to running out of disk ><
[15:40] <Hopsy> hii cant someone help me? my internet connection doesnt work http://puu.sh/21CCj
[15:41] <Hopsy> this are my settings: http://puu.sh/21CAy
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[16:23] <kgee> has anyone gotten the piFace daughterboard relays working?
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[16:23] <kgee> There's close to zero documentation as far as hardware/wiring goes, and I don't want to explode my board
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[16:25] <gordonDrogon> kgee, I have ...
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> kgee, if you want to use shell or C then I did a library for them.
[16:27] <kgee> gordonDrogon: Neat. All the software has been python-ified, and I'm more comfortable with C (although depending on the level of python support, the ease of python might make this not true)
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> kgee, cd ; git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi ; cd wiringPi ; ./build
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> will get you started.
[16:28] <kgee> Also, each relay is rated for over 200v @ 10A, but the documentation says don't exceed 20v @ 5A. Which is true?
[16:28] <kgee> thank!
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> then: cd examples ; make piface
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[16:28] <gordonDrogon> kgee, the documentation - it's to do with safety and pcb track width/thickness.
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> you'll need to do gpio load spi after making wiringPi too.
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> unless you already have the spi driver loaded.
[16:29] <kgee> okay. Good to know. I didnt want to take chances, but now I certainly won't risk it/
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> I'd not personally put mains through it myself though, even if it is capable!
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> it's just a bit too close to the Pi to stick 230V ..
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> for my personal liking...
[16:29] <kgee> yeah, I'm currently updating my little arch linux install. I'm low on space since I havent extended the partition to fill hte card yet, so that's probably the next step
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> don't know what Arch providesto expand the partition - I do everything under Raspbian.
[16:30] <Hopsy> pksato!!
[16:30] <kgee> yeah my project isnt using mains power. I'm trying to make an RC crawler / tank for telepresence style research
[16:30] <Hopsy> can you help me
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[16:31] <gordonDrogon> kgee, the piface.c program in examples is just a demo of using the board from C.
[16:31] <pksato> Hi Hopsy , no. :) After you ask, may be. :)
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[16:31] <Hopsy> haha
[16:31] <kgee> even then, some of the larger servos draw over 10A, so I'll have to look out. Troublesome, since most of the store info describes the number of turns in the coil rather than voltage/current draw, which I think is pretty dumb
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[16:32] <Hopsy> pksato: I tried your iptables rules, then I tried some other
[16:32] <Hopsy> its not working for me :(
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> kgee, that's some BIG motors..
[16:32] <Hopsy> this is what I have
[16:32] <Hopsy> http://puu.sh/21CAy
[16:32] <Hopsy> for so far
[16:32] <kgee> gordonDrogon: probably. Hard to tell from a fuzzy snapshot of the product with no reference to scale
[16:32] <kgee> that's the risk with internet purchases :)
[16:32] <Hopsy> that should be work, but this is the result: http://puu.sh/21CCj
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[16:33] <gordonDrogon> kgee, pictures here: https://projects.drogon.net/piface-mk2/
[16:33] <kgee> I already bought a pack of assorted resistors that turned out to be micro-scale with no leads for my proto boards. Oops. Money wasted.
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> kgee, although I suspect you were thinking of the motors there!!!
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[16:34] <Hopsy> nice chickens gordonDrogon
[16:34] <kgee> gordonDrogon: not quite. A little more niche, but RC rock crawler competitions have some nice high-torque solutions http://www.rcplanet.com/Rock_Crawler_Motors_s/864.htm
[16:35] <pksato> Hopsy: you drop all forward (default policy) and no create rules to permit.
[16:35] <kgee> This robot is built out of some bike sprokets and heavier metal. A little bigger than the plastic toys seen in a lot of hackaday posts
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> kgee, expensive hobby!
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> Hopsy, thanks! Got 3 eggs so-far.
[16:36] <pksato> and, no packet coming to forward, erro on "client" side.
[16:36] <Hopsy> pksato: http://pastebin.com/hVATJ3yc
[16:36] <Hopsy> those are the rules
[16:36] <Hopsy> you gace me
[16:36] <Hopsy> gave *
[16:37] <kgee> gordonDrogon: A little. My rationale is that if I make a very durable, extendible base vehicle, I am not limited in my 'accessorization' research. If I can carry enough batteries and extra weight to utilize more instrumentation, I can make a mini mars rover
[16:37] <Hopsy> I should add this? iptables -I FORWARD -i wlan0 -o eth0 -s 192.168.0.0/24 -d 0.0.0.0/0 -j ACCEPT
[16:37] <Hopsy> whats that ip address?
[16:37] <kgee> I'm already considering some GPS utilities, cameras for telepresence streaming, or maybe a robo arm
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[16:38] <pksato> Hopsy: get a pencil and paper, and draw you network.
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[16:40] <Hopsy> its easy, internet -> router (192.168.157.1) -> wlan0 (192.168.175.15) -> pi -> eth0 (192.168.1.120) -> windows pc (192.168.1.121)
[16:40] <kgee> gordonDrogon: In any case, the wiring information I was worried about is more general than the piFace board. A little reading on hooking up relays in general has cleared up some misconceptions.
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> souds like a lot of fun.
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[16:40] <Hopsy> @ pksato
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> kgee, personally - I might not use the PiFace for this project - the issue is that it blocks all the other GPIO lines.
[16:41] <pksato> Hopsy: ok, and windows PC have what ip as default gateway?
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[16:41] <gordonDrogon> so while it has 8 outs and 8 in's you might want to use e.g. the I2C or SPI for some sensors, etc.
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> especially if you want speed control of the motors and not just on/off.
[16:42] <pksato> Hopsy: and, have a low cost AP on market to do it.
[16:42] <kgee> gordonDrogon: already considered that to a degree. While I agree that it's not optimal, I'm not beyond putting multiple pi's on board. I've been working on some networking/clustering projects, and if I want to do computer vision applications I might need the extra CPU/GPU power anyway
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> some of those motors look like chinese fireworks! e.g. http://www.rcplanet.com/Traxxas_Stinger_Motor_p/tra1275.htm
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> kgee, sure - the Pi is fine - just maybe not the PiFace, but if you have several...
[16:43] <kgee> gordonDrogon: yeah, and if you look at the 'technical specs', it merely says diameter and turn count. real descriptive.... ugh
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[16:45] <kgee> gordonDrogon: I've been working on some of the latest javascript/w3c specifications to create a message passing interface in a website, as well as the latest and greatest in WebRTC video/audio streaming. With multiple PI's around, and a smartphone as a master controller, and maybe even a remote desktop for long-term number crunching, I can have a pretty clever little brain roaming the countryside
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> kgee, Yea, it's a bizarre way to describe motors!
[16:45] <kgee> gordonDrogon: some of the name brand motors on that site come with more description
[16:46] <IT_Sean> are you really going to set your raspi, and all the other bits and bobs, loose to "roam the countryside" ?
[16:46] <kgee> IT_Sean: that's the plan. If I meet some milestone deadlines, I might even get to present the project in california at this years IEEE convention
[16:46] <IT_Sean> nice
[16:47] <IT_Sean> How big of a "rover" are you building?
[16:47] <kgee> IT_Sean: Think of a suitcase with tank treads
[16:47] <IT_Sean> neat.
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[16:47] <Hopsy> pksato: sorry I am back
[16:47] <Hopsy> my internet connection lost :\
[16:47] <IT_Sean> I would be tempted to take it a step further, and base it on a late model body on frame sedan, but... the suitcase with tank treads is... a lot more doable. :p
[16:47] <pksato> Hopsy: Windows PC have what ip as default gateway?
[16:47] <Hopsy> Yes, my default gateway is well configured: http://puu.sh/21VEm/d6128331c5
[16:48] <kgee> something that you could sit a laptop on, but not much bigger I guess. Today I'm talking to my mechanic so I can get a crash course in welding and figure out how the axles are coming together
[16:49] <pksato> Hopsy: You have other computer direct connected to access point?
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[16:49] <Hopsy> currently not
[16:50] <Hopsy> but I can ping from my raspberry
[16:50] <Hopsy> to google
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[16:50] <pksato> Hopsy: you using RPi only to connect a wired network to a wireless?
[16:51] <pksato> Hopsy: windows ping raspberry pi (1.120)?
[16:51] <Hopsy> yes
[16:52] <pksato> and windows ping raspberry pi wifi ip (175.15) ?
[16:52] <pksato> I think, not.
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[16:53] <pksato> Hopsy: iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT, and sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[16:53] <Hopsy> uhm, I dont get you
[16:54] <pksato> now, windows pc and ping 192.168.175.15)
[16:54] <Hopsy> it will not work
[16:54] <Hopsy> because I am not connected to the same network
[16:54] <Hopsy> on*
[16:55] <pksato> ah?
[16:55] <Hopsy> connected to mobile atm
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[16:56] <pksato> Hopsy: Ah... you not on network in question.
[16:57] <pksato> When you return, clear all rules. iptables -F, iptables -F -t nat, etc... (or clean boot, with out any firewall script loaded).
[16:57] <catcher> Let's say you're a switch, and you have 3 terminals (NC, NO, C). Does this mean there are two different circuits in there? If so, am I right that NC is the better choice for GPIO?
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[16:58] <pksato> and, do only sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[16:58] <Hopsy> http://puu.sh/21VXW/a232605942
[16:58] <pksato> Hopsy: now, windows pc can ping 192.168.175.15 (rapi wlan ip)
[16:58] <Hopsy> so I should clear now all rules?
[16:59] <pksato> Yes.
[17:00] <pksato> kernel default rules.
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[17:00] <pksato> or, accept all packets.
[17:00] <pksato> but, atm, windows pc get replay when pint 192.168.175.15?
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[17:01] <Hopsy> http://puu.sh/21W0M/d60fa83e0e
[17:01] <Hopsy> no
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[17:01] <Hopsy> ow
[17:01] <Hopsy> its 178 :p
[17:01] <Hopsy> no 178 also losing all packages
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[17:02] <pksato> Hopsy: on win, tracert 192.168.178.15
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[17:02] <Hopsy> pksato: I flushed all the rules, does that matter?
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[17:03] <pksato> do sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 and iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
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[17:04] <pksato> and, disable windows firewall.
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[17:06] <pksato> Hopsy: when windows pc get ping replay from wlan0 ip, we can go to next step.
[17:06] <Hopsy> pksato: weird, all packages are lost
[17:07] <Hopsy> even without firewall on
[17:09] <Hopsy> http://puu.sh/21Wcc/154f766bba pksato
[17:09] <pksato> Hopsy: rpi eth0 ip is 192.168.1.120?
[17:10] <pksato> Hopsy: windows dont have a gateway.
[17:10] <Hopsy> http://puu.sh/21WdM/f58ba77fd3
[17:10] <Hopsy> 120 yes
[17:10] <Hopsy> hmm
[17:11] <pksato> on win, route print
[17:12] <Hopsy> yes
[17:12] <Hopsy> big list haha
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[17:12] <pksato> big?
[17:12] <pksato> ah... windows create some network routes.
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[17:13] <Hopsy> http://puu.sh/21WhD/ac2c4750d2
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> catcher, NC means Normally Closed.
[17:14] <Hopsy> I hate windows :(
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> catcher, so C is the common and one side is normally closed, the other side normally open. You'd typically wire the C to 0v and one of the others to the GPIO pin - it really doesn't matter which as you can accommodate either in software.
[17:15] <pksato> Hopsy: have two defalt gw. and.. AFK
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[17:24] <Torikun> OI
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[17:28] <Hopsy> Torikun: :D
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[17:29] <Torikun> hI Hopsy
[17:29] <Hopsy> hii
[17:29] <Torikun> ANY PROGRESS ?
[17:30] <Hopsy> nope
[17:31] <Hopsy> Instead of progress I am going backwards Torikun :D
[17:31] <Torikun> LOL
[17:32] <Hopsy> do you want to give it a second try (a)?
[17:32] <Torikun> get the iptables working first
[17:33] <Hopsy> well its easy to say :p
[17:33] <Torikun> run the commands
[17:33] <Hopsy> in fact its complicated!
[17:35] <Hopsy> Torikun: http://puu.sh/21WLR/a606f30769
[17:36] <Torikun> one second, save that link on a work call
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[17:40] <Torikun> copy and pasteteh iptables commands in thescript
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[17:49] <D481A3> anyone any good with VPN? i've got it working remotely but can't forward web i.e. HTTP requests through it
[17:49] <pksato> Hopsy: route print show two default gateway, Its windows have other internet connection?
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[17:50] <Torikun> i got openvpn working D481A3
[17:50] <Torikun> are you referring to that?
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[17:51] <D481A3> i've set it up based on http://wellsb.com/post/29412820494
[17:51] <D481A3> PPTP
[17:51] <Torikun> i know what your missing
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[17:52] <Torikun> ;push "redirect-gateway def1 bypass-dhcp"
[17:52] <Torikun> push "dhcp-option DNS 192.168.1.71"
[17:52] <Torikun> Add those two uncommented
[17:52] <Torikun> change dns to your DNS
[17:52] <Torikun> \
[17:52] <D481A3> i'll give that a go two tics
[17:52] <Torikun> make it three tics
[17:52] <Torikun> lol
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[17:53] <catcher> gordonDrogon, glad I asked - C to 0V, not 3.3V?
[17:53] <Weaselweb> D481A3: you know PPTP is unsecure?
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[17:54] <D481A3> unsecure ish... am I worth going for openvpn instead?
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[17:54] <Weaselweb> openvpn (which uses ssh AFAIK) or IPsec
[17:55] <D481A3> i'll dig out a tutorial and give that a go instead then, I will more than likely be back!!
[17:55] <Torikun> D481A3: i was talking about openvpn
[17:55] <Torikun> lol
[17:55] <Torikun> dunno what your using
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[17:56] <gordonDrogon> catcher, I prefer it that way.
[17:56] <Hopsy> pksato: yes! it has 2 internet connection (one from mobile the other one from rpi)
[17:57] <Hopsy> Torikun: I have used this script: http://pastebin.com/rGssPZz6
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> catcher, what you will need to do is 'bias' the pin to +3.3v so that it's not floating when the switch isn't pushed. you can do this with the internal pull-up resistors.
[17:57] <Hopsy> you gave me yesterday
[17:57] <catcher> gordonDrogon, so that means the pin needs 3.3v normally, and flipping the switch will..
[17:57] <D481A3> thx Torikun
[17:57] <Torikun> ok
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[17:57] <Torikun> D481A3: I can send you my server.conf for openvpn if you want
[17:57] <Torikun> hardest part will be generating the keys lol
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[17:58] <Torikun> for the keys, follow official instructions from the openvpn wiki
[17:58] <D481A3> i'll come back to you if I get any issues ta
[17:58] <catcher> gordonDrogon, so then hitting the switch will open it, disconnecting it from 0v, right?
[17:58] <Torikun> ok
[17:59] <pksato> Hopsy: two connection, its explain that not work. :)
[17:59] <Hopsy> huh?
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[18:00] <Hopsy> pksato: I dont get it
[18:00] <catcher> gordonDrogon, I almost get it, but how does opening the connection from the pin to 0v cause the pin to drop to 0v?
[18:00] <Hopsy> when I disconnecy my mobile, I dont have internet
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[18:01] <pksato> Hopsy: What is you which with rpi routing?
[18:02] <Hopsy> haha want to use it for something like NAS
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> catcher, if you connect the NC pin to the gpio, then the gpio reads 0 when the switch is not pushed. When youpush the switch it opens and if you have a pull-up resistor then it reads 1.
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[18:03] <pksato> Hopsy: Is very confused for me.
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[18:04] <catcher> gordonDrogon, click, it makes sense. thank you for explaining.
[18:05] <catcher> gordonDrogon, and I can use an internal pull-up resistor instead of wiring one externally?
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> catcher, that's what they're there for. Some people don't like to use them though.
[18:06] <catcher> gordonDrogon, this is a set-it-and-forget-it project, so I won't be accidentally switching input to output.
[18:08] <catcher> gordonDrogon, last Q for now, just to understand - if I were wiring my own pull up resistor, I'd then also need a connection to 3.3V so the pin has a logical 1 when the circuit is open, is that right?
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[18:12] <gordonDrogon> catcher, yes. (but the internal one will do that for you)
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[18:13] <catcher> gordonDrogon, thanks. I'll look on your site to see how to activate the internal pull-up resistor.
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[18:22] <Hopsy> iptables
[18:22] <Hopsy> oepz
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[18:26] <b0ot> If I wanted to allow other computers to connect to my pi wirelessly what hardware would i need to get?
[18:26] <b0ot> I want to put a lamp server and be able to access it wirelessly
[18:27] <catcher> b0ot, usb wireless card, like this: http://www.amazon.com/Edimax-EW-7811Un-Wireless-Adapter-Wizard/dp/B005CLMJLU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360776459&sr=8-1&keywords=edimax
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[18:33] <b0ot> Edimax EW-7811Un 150
[18:33] <b0ot> catcher, purchased!
[18:34] <catcher> b0ot, mine's on the way too :)
[18:34] <dshep> b0ot: if you want your rpi to act as a wifi access, your usb wifi adapter needs to be supported by hostapd
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[18:34] <dshep> the dimax does not afaik
[18:34] <dshep> s/dimax/edimax/
[18:35] <catcher> port forwarding :80 to the pi should do the trick, no?
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[18:36] <b0ot> dshep, it is listed as an access point on their website
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[18:37] <gordonDrogon> catcher, it depends on the s/w you're using, but using wiringPi it's fairly easy. If you use the gpio command you can do it from the command-line too which makes for easy testing.
[18:37] <com_kieffer> How can I find out what the Ip of rpi is without actually connecting a creen to it ?
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> com_kieffer, look in the dhcp logs on your router.
[18:37] <catcher> com_kieffer, nmap
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> there is that too..
[18:38] <dshep> b0ot: the edimax does not support hostapd, i have one
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[18:38] <com_kieffer> waht command line would I need with nmap ?
[18:38] <catcher> com_kieffer, I believe -pS
[18:38] <catcher> then your network - x.x.x.x/24
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[18:39] <catcher> your network gateway, rather
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[18:39] <dshep> b0ot: i use the TP-Link TL-WN722N adapter
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[18:40] <com_kieffer> catcher : as in 192.168.**** or my external ip ?
[18:40] <catcher> com_kieffer, correct, internal
[18:40] <catcher> probably 192.168.0.1
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[18:41] <catcher> com_kieffer, -sP
[18:41] <catcher> flipped 'em :)
[18:41] <com_kieffer> thanks, I'm starting right now.
[18:43] <b0ot> dshep, that thing is massive compared to the edimax
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[18:43] <b0ot> So your saying the issue with the edimax is without a router elsewhere no one would be able to acess my webserver on my raspberrypi?
[18:43] <b0ot> wirelessly
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[18:44] <dshep> b0ot: yea, but it works in ap mode
[18:45] <b0ot> ap mode?
[18:45] <com_kieffer> catcher : how long should it take to complete the scan ?
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[18:46] <catcher> com_kieffer, on a normal home network, < 10s
[18:46] <b0ot> dshep, you mean it can extend wireless but not provide wireless
[18:47] <com_kieffer> Is ssh actually enabled by default on the raspian image ?
[18:47] <catcher> com_kieffer, yepyep
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[18:47] <catcher> com_kieffer, at least it was on mine.
[18:48] <com_kieffer> Found it. The first scan was a bit long
[18:48] <com_kieffer> I did a second on 192.168.1.1/8 and found it. Thanks
[18:48] <catcher> cool, glad you found it
[18:48] <dshep> b0ot: it can do what your wifi router can do, in other words.. provide a wireless access point for other devices to connect to
[18:49] <catcher> b0ot, you'll be able to access your webserver just fine, but it won't be a wireless access point.
[18:50] <catcher> b0ot, if you're behind a router and you want to access your server from the outside world, you'll have to forward the port you want (default 80) to the Pi's IP.
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[18:53] <b0ot> hmm still confused. Can I do this: With only the raspberry pi and a laptop (no router) connect the webserver on the pi from the laptop
[18:54] <catcher> b0ot, sure
[18:54] <catcher> wait, no router?
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[19:06] <beers> Hi5
[19:07] <beers> Any grand plans for it?
[19:08] <IT_Sean> xbmc
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[19:10] <Torikun> wow minecraft on pi is loading for first time!
[19:11] <swart> how's performance?
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[19:11] <Torikun> horrible now
[19:12] <Torikun> actually loading is slow
[19:12] <Torikun> gameplay is ok
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[19:12] <jaegeri> java 3d games....
[19:12] <swart> loading all the chunks is pretty intensive I think
[19:12] <swart> I don't think it's java
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[19:13] <jaegeri> minecraft is java :|
[19:13] <swart> the iOS version isn't java
[19:13] <jaegeri> or at least it was
[19:13] <shiftplusone> jaegeri, no
[19:13] <swart> java doesn't run on iOS
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[19:13] <jaegeri> when i played it last time :)
[19:13] <swart> I presume they ported that to the pi, since they're both OpenGL ES and ARM
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[19:13] <jaegeri> ok
[19:14] <shiftplusone> jaegeri, the xbox and mobile versions are not java. The PC version is, but the pi version is just pocket edition ported over.
[19:14] <jaegeri> ok
[19:14] <jaegeri> java based games are one of the most terrible ideas in the world :(
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[19:15] <swart> minecraft on the desktop was pretty successful. I have seen much worse ideas
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[19:15] <jaegeri> i wonder how light it would be if it was programmed with some proper programming language.
[19:16] <swart> it probably never would have been made
[19:16] <swart> read notch's articles on java and maybe you'll learn something
[19:16] <swart> there are far more bad programmers than bad programming languages
[19:16] <jaegeri> yes
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[19:17] <jaegeri> but java is and always was a big no no :/
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[19:17] <swart> it has its place. C++ has problems too. nothing is perfect
[19:17] <jaegeri> yeah nothing is
[19:17] <shiftplusone> I don't understand the 'bad programmer' argument. Is java the exclusive domain of bad programmers? Why are most desktop applications written in Java so terrible whereas the C alternatives of similar applications aren't?
[19:18] <shiftplusone> vuze and eclipse being examples
[19:18] <jaegeri> java is horrible and with bad coders it's even more terrible
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[19:18] <swart> I think a bad programmer can actually ship something in Java. In C it will never work if you don't know what youre doing
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[19:19] <bertrik> people are prejudiced against java I think
[19:19] <shiftplusone> And I am sure eclipse is written by people who know what they're doing more than most.
[19:19] <swart> but there are bad programs in every language
[19:19] <swart> eclipse is a nice tool, for people who need all those features
[19:19] <swiftos> Hi, just a question : is it possible to emulate the behaviour of a SPI flash chip (slave) with the raspberry GPIO ? (I've seen that there is gpio for SPI but only in master mode...what if I use others ?)
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[19:20] <swart> most people just want to get things done. there's nothing wrong with that. I'm surprised that it's even controversial
[19:20] <jaegeri> java wastes perfomance and energy
[19:20] <swart> swiftos: gordonDrogon might be able to help with that
[19:21] <jaegeri> it's crime against nature to use it ^____^
[19:21] <swart> jaegeri: you only spend computer cycles on socially beneficial activities. good for you
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[19:21] <jaegeri> ;)
[19:21] <swiftos> gordonDrogon: hi
[19:21] <mpmc> Anyone here in the UK having issues receiving satellite from 28e atm?
[19:21] <swiftos> swart: thx
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> Hi.
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> swiftos, the Pi can't do slave SPI, only Master.
[19:24] <swiftos> gordonDrogon: I can't program some GPIO to act as SPI slave ? like standard gpio ?
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> swiftos, you could, but you'd need to poll the clock pins - it wouldn't be fast.
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> there is only hardware support for the designated pins in master mode.
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[19:26] <swiftos> gordonDrogon: ok, didn't know that was by polling. I was thinking perhaps it can throw a event on clock change
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> you can - and you could throw it at an interrupt too.
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[19:26] <gordonDrogon> the limit is about 65K interrupts/sec.
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[19:26] <gordonDrogon> might be faster if you write a kernel module though.
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> however it's still all being done in software.
[19:27] <swiftos> okay, so my goal is tu emulate a 104Mhz SPI flash
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> that's not going to happen.
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> even with the hardware SPI port, the max. clock is 32MHz.
[19:28] <swiftos> oh shit
[19:28] <swiftos> ok
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> polling the GPIO is limited to 20MHz too.
[19:28] <swart> swiftos: pls check topic
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> swiftos, *cough* family friendly channel...
[19:28] <swiftos> sorry
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> if you want a 104MHz SPI device, then you might need to go & buy one...
[19:30] <swiftos> i've already one, don't know if 104Mhz is used on the device, but that the capacity of the flash
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> they can usually be clocked much slower.
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> so you could test it using the Pi as a master.
[19:31] <swiftos> but i need a device that can change frequently the chip content
[19:32] <swiftos> it's for a device that has a spi flash chip that store the firmware
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[19:32] <gordonDrogon> maybe just have to wait a bit longer for (re) programming...
[19:32] <swiftos> and I want to do automatic reboot with firmware modification
[19:33] <DeliriumTremens> yay DOS
[19:33] <swiftos> I only can program it with 8Mhz
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[19:34] <pksato> spi flash chip? a memory? a adc? :)
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> pksato, if you think about it - an ATmega has SPI flash...
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[19:34] <swiftos> memory : S25FL064P
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> well the Pi can run it at 32MHz.
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> but you'd need the software.
[19:34] <swiftos> I can do the software
[19:34] <pksato> for 104MHz, I think was ADC.
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> to get the high speed, you need multiple SPI buses.
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[19:36] <swiftos> mm, I don't understand the multiple SPI buses
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[19:38] <Scriven> Is there any good general place to learn about spi i2c? for instance, can there be multiple masters on each bus? Am thinking about interfacing with a touch screen, but it uses i2c or serial to communicate.
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> well it's essentially a 40MHz chip, but you can read the 2 halves in parallel, so you need 2 inputs.
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, I2C and SPI are 2 separate things..
[19:38] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, yes, meant to put a / in there
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, no - they're 2 physically different things.
[19:38] <swiftos> gordonDrogon: exactly, and with a specific read command, the input became output
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, your touchscreen will use I2C only.
[19:39] <Scriven> touchscreen CAN use i2c and serial, but not spi.
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> swiftos, it probably need some specific hardware to interface to.
[19:39] <swiftos> but even, it's 40Mhz
[19:39] <Scriven> but I'm ignorant of spi too, so also wondered if there's a place to learn the basics of it too.
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, right. So you need I2C.
[19:39] <Scriven> Can there be multiple masters on an I2c bus?
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, https://projects.drogon.net/understanding-spi-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[19:40] <tdy> 1 master, 1+ slaves
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, yes, you can have multiple masters, but the Pi can only be a master device, not a slave.
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> I've not yet written a page like that for I2C though, but I've written a library for it.
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> spi is one master only.
[19:40] <Scriven> can masters be programmed to talk to each other as masters, or will one need to be able to slave? And in this specific case, the screen will need to be able to slave?
[19:41] <tdy> maybe i'm confused.. what's the relationship between i2c and smbus then?
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, no - a master can only talk to a slave.
[19:41] <Scriven> bah. :(
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> tdy, smbus is a newer protocol invented by intel - it's mostly i2c compatible.
[19:41] <swart> tdy smbus is a subset of i2c designed by intel - check wikipedia
[19:41] <Scriven> serial it is then.
[19:41] <tdy> oh
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, if you want to read a touchscreen using I2C then it's perfectly possible.
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> I have a device that's doing just that.
[19:42] <mgottschlag> smbus is 99% compatible though, just like TWI
[19:42] <mgottschlag> (afaik, that is what I was told)
[19:42] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, yeah, I was just wondering about the specific interface I wanted to use, am not sure if it can be put into slave mode, or if doing that also removes features I wanted to use.
[19:42] <Scriven> one of the 4d systems ulcd screens.
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, the only one I have used is always in slave mode.
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> oh, do you get access to the touchscreen interface on those?
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> I thought they were serial only...
[19:43] <Scriven> am not sure, on a few steep learning curves at once.
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> I think they're serial only.
[19:43] <Scriven> they're apparently both i2c and serial, serial-mode they just send back results of their own interaction.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> I've only used visi genie on those displays though.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> and that's very high level in serial mode.
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[19:44] <Scriven> yeah, that's how I understand it too, just from reading so far.
[19:44] <Scriven> don't have the $300 necessary to buy the one I want yet. lol
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> they're pretty cool. I did some driver software for them for the Pi.
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/4d-systems-intelligent-displays-and-the-raspberry-pi/
[19:45] <Scriven> your pages may have been some of the ones I was reading actually, yeah.
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> :)
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> there's a bunch of demos on youtube too.
[19:46] <pronto> so anyone here using http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ on the pi? if so, is it stable/decent?
[19:46] <Scriven> They look like fantastic little mini-computers on their own, as well as looking crisp and apparently functioning very well.
[19:46] <Scriven> Their rpi adapter is serial only, which is what prompted the question... can I talk to it multiple ways to get different results from the same device...
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[19:48] <FR^2> pronto: I assume most use raspbian
[19:48] <Scriven> Ah, yeah, this video in fact. lol! I wondered if the 'drogon' was the same when I first saw your nick.
[19:48] <pksato> pronto: this port is not to ARM used on RPi.
[19:48] <swiftos> gordonDrogon: so I can't do this on the raspberry I think. Do you know a hardware that can do want I want ?
[19:48] <pronto> pksato: oh? FR^2 yeah i dont reallly care for rasbian
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> pronto, we all used Debian initially, then moved to Raspbian - which is Debian wheezy compiled specifically for the Pi.
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[19:48] <Hopsy> pksato: this will illustrate it :D http://puu.sh/21ZDv/05719bf136
[19:49] <pronto> all that education stuff/gui on it by default
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> swiftos, I'm afraid not...
[19:49] <pksato> port is to ARMEL, and RPi use ARMHF
[19:49] <a5m0> does the csi camera interface allow multichannel? ie. could i somehow connect two camera boards to one pi?
[19:50] <Scriven> only thing I wanted that the 4d systems don't appear to do is also bare console display. lol ;)
[19:50] <IT_Sean> a5m0: no
[19:50] <a5m0> ok, thanks IT_Sean
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[19:50] <IT_Sean> no prob
[19:50] <pksato> Hopsy: if you have another internet connection on windows PC, this setup not work.
[19:51] <swiftos> gordonDrogon: ok, thank you for your help. My school sell me a such device but for 700CHF+work...juste a FPGA with a USB chip...that cost too much.
[19:51] <Hopsy> I dont get why pksato
[19:51] <swiftos> so perhaps i'll find or do myself a device for that for less money
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[19:51] <pksato> Hopsy: ip routing.
[19:51] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, one question re: spi. Are their similar permission issues w/ it, such that maybe you want to setup an spi 'group' to put your user in? If one wanted multiple users to access it?
[19:51] <a5m0> i'm sad that the camera module coming out is only 5mp, the original demo on the model a back in the day claimed something like a 14mp
[19:51] <pksato> Only one default gateway is allowed.
[19:52] <Hopsy> pksato: so you say when I disconnect now, I will connected with rpi?
[19:52] <pksato> Hopsy: Yes, if all are corrent to RPi.
[19:52] <pksato> correct
[19:52] <Hopsy> I disaggree because windows dont see a second connection
[19:53] <Hopsy> pksato: http://puu.sh/220b9/6ea35f6367
[19:54] <pksato> Hopsy: It show me two default gateway http://puu.sh/21WhD/ac2c4750d2
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[19:54] <Hopsy> where do you see the second one?
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[19:55] <pksato> second line begin with 0.0.0.0, and it is a current gateway.
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[19:56] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, you can do that with SPI, but you need to be root to do it, or use my gpio utility to load the kernel module.
[19:57] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, was just reading at your 'create the necessary devices' step, you make u/g the same as current user, so was wondering if that should be more linux-like in it's sharability.
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, what page is that? I'll need to re-read..
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[19:57] <Hopsy> pksato: brb I will try
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[20:04] <b0ot> catcher, no wireless router
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[20:12] <b0ot> If I want to the network my raspberry pi is providing available wirelessly directly laptops (NO ROUTER) could I do it with the Edimax-EW-7811UN or do I need something else
[20:13] <b0ot> like the TL-Wn722N? and if I do need something else, are there any other smaller ones than the TL-WN722N
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[20:15] <Hopsy> pksato: that didnt work like I expect
[20:15] <Hopsy> hmm
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[20:20] <IT_Sean> http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/3383/img20130213130947.jpg
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[20:27] <swart> it's hard to type with a pi on your keyboard :)
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[20:29] <Datalink> so, to transplant a kernel from one copy of Linux to another, it's which files?
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[20:31] <Hopsy> swart: why should you have a pi on your keyboard? can you explain me that?
[20:33] <swart> I was commenting on IT_Sean's photo
[20:33] <swart> I often have wires strewn across my keyboard. it's kind of annoying :)
[20:34] <Torikun> Raspberry Keyboard! I want one!
[20:34] <Torikun> lol
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[20:35] <Torikun> IT_Sean: is that a new keyboard? Looks like it has the new windows 8 logo on it
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[20:39] <steve_rox> they need to make more keyboards without the widows logo on em , would probly make em cheaper ;-)
[20:39] <Torikun> lol
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[20:40] <steve_rox> plus a windows logo on keyboard is not something to take pride in
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[20:41] <Flexnard> could (on a lot of keyboards) take the windows key off and spray paint it with black :P
[20:42] <steve_rox> but the cost of keyboard remains the same
[20:42] <steve_rox> maybe a bit more to pay for spray paint
[20:42] <Flexnard> ya
[20:43] <Flexnard> I always have paint around in some form I wouldn't go out and buy some just for the windows key just saying its one way :P
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[20:43] <steve_rox> think the windows logo on keyboard may symbolise os slavery today or perhaps a humliation tag because windows/ms no longer matter
[20:44] <steve_rox> something like that
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[20:45] <whatts[RhN]> Hi folks. a) After i've did configuration of RPi, where can i find that config script again?
[20:45] <mgottschlag> execute "raspi-config" or edit /boot/config.txt
[20:46] <whatts[RhN]> thanks.
[20:46] <whatts[RhN]> i'll write that down....
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[20:47] <whatts[RhN]> b) When i was in raspi-config, i've edited to SI/SL locale, but it's still in english (altho both were installed 2 "enters"-presses later). Could that be fixed in raspi-config with removal of english locale?
[20:47] <steve_rox> i find myself saveing all the cmds i learn to a text file :-)
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[20:48] <whatts[RhN]> heh steve_rox it's trick that it's not in this room and i'll rather write it down on paper before i forget it. :)
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[20:48] <steve_rox> :-)
[20:51] <whatts[RhN]> and c) how can i fix resolution. I'm unfortunately not using HDMI (yet!). maybe i just can't fix resolution on composite? ;)
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[20:51] <steve_rox> config.txt again
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[20:52] <steve_rox> you define it in there
[20:52] <steve_rox> should be ### un commended lines to guide you in syntax
[20:54] <steve_rox> if someone else wishes to explain better do so i feel too dead to go into detail
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[20:54] <whatts[RhN]> ok, so multiple-times "check config.txt" ;)
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[20:55] <whatts[RhN]> will see tomorrow as i'm getting HDMI cable. got PI home like 5 hours ago. :P
[20:55] * IT_Sean got his around lunchtime... Gets to go home & play with it in 2 hours or so
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[20:57] <DeliriumTremens> IT_Sean: what if you get a bad cable? huh? WHAT THEN?
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[20:58] <IT_Sean> DeliriumTremens: then people die.
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[20:59] <SpeedEvil> harsh, but fair.
[20:59] <IT_Sean> But, i have a known good HDMI cable already hooked to my TV, and a PSU that other people have reported to work.
[20:59] <IT_Sean> So, i should have no trouble.
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[21:43] <Torikun> Hopsy: i am trying to make 2 VM's and see how to test your config
[21:44] <Torikun> i think the pi will need a dhcp server cause how will it know otherwise to accept and route the traffic
[21:44] <whatts[RhN]> IT_Sean, i've got lucky that i've made PSU myself. Simply a 220-12v adapter and then a car adapber 12v-5v 2.1A.
[21:45] <whatts[RhN]> so i can unplug that and go in car, and have maaad fun.
[21:45] <Torikun> and the windows box will need to get an IP from the pi
[21:45] <whatts[RhN]> see y around!
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[21:46] <tmy__> Im looking for a way to cheap tether a cell signal to a pi for a remote webcam. would anyone know something that works well? or possibly have any sort of leads to what might work, speed doesn't not need to be fast
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[21:47] <malcom2073> There are pay as you go USB keys, like $30 a month
[21:48] <tmy__> ok, cool. maybe i was over thinking it
[21:48] <Hodapp> malcom2073: for a moment I envisioned someone buying a USB flash drive on an installment plan.
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[21:49] <malcom2073> Heh
[21:49] <b0ot> how do you check if certain tools are supported with the raspberrypi operating system (specifically rancid)
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[21:49] <Hodapp> b0ot: run them and see?
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[21:51] <b0ot> Hodapp, I don't have my pi with me right now
[21:51] <b0ot> so i was wondering if i could check online
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[21:54] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, sorry, had to get 1 kid from school. The page I was reading was the spi page you linked to previously.
[21:54] <Hodapp> b0ot: check package repos.
[21:54] <b0ot> found it
[21:54] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, https://projects.drogon.net/understanding-spi-on-the-raspberry-pi/ :)
[21:55] <Scriven> nothing wrong with your method, but it's not particularly good for a multi-user system.
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[22:01] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, hi..
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, no - but since when has the Pi been used multi-user...
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> lets face it, 90% of Pi people treat it like a microcontroller IME.
[22:02] <IT_Sean> Mine 'll be running xbmc
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> not that I agree with that, but you might as well make it easy. The gpio program changes the ownership of the spi & i2c devices to the person using it...
[22:02] <swart> also hardware-level interfacing - usually people build a stack to help deal with user applications
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, so a single-user 'pc' then :)
[22:02] <IT_Sean> Aye
[22:02] <Torikun> your better off buying the small WD player than the raspberry PI
[22:02] <Torikun> for a media center
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> back inna bit supper time.
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[22:05] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, Yeah, that's all correct, and I agree. I was just mentioning for multi-users that it wouldn't work, for the few of us who care about such things. :) Enjoy your dinner!
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[22:05] <beers> the tv live hub?
[22:07] <IT_Sean> I'm going to play with raspian for a bit, but, eventually, this 'll be a media center device.
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[22:09] <|Jeroen|> i guess most pi's end up as an xbmc
[22:09] <IT_Sean> a fair percentage do, i think.
[22:09] <IT_Sean> They are pretty good at running it, so...
[22:09] <|Jeroen|> yeah indeed
[22:09] <|Jeroen|> cheap, cheap to run, and great support
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[22:10] <Primer> What do most people use to control their xbmcs on their pis?
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[22:10] <|Jeroen|> cec
[22:10] <swart> which is fine, as long as you have another pi for hardware hacking :)
[22:11] <|Jeroen|> all new tv's have it
[22:11] <|Jeroen|> works great
[22:11] <Primer> |Jeroen|: was that in response to my question?
[22:11] <swart> Primer: I've got a logitech wireless keyboard. need to get a mouse . . .
[22:11] <|Jeroen|> yes Primer
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[22:11] <Primer> interesting
[22:11] <Primer> never heard of this
[22:11] <|Jeroen|> with cec you can use your tv's controller tru hdmi
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[22:11] <Primer> So you use an existing remote
[22:11] <Primer> right
[22:12] <swart> well it's just a wireless usb keyboard. nothing fancy
[22:12] <|Jeroen|> it works out of the box with openelec etc
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[22:12] <swart> xbmc is keyboard-friendly :)
[22:12] <Primer> |Jeroen|: except there's a Denon between my TV and my pi
[22:12] <Quietlyawesome94> Primer: Android and iOS have some great remote apps for XBMC
[22:12] <Quietlyawesome94> I just need to get a cheapp WIFI adapter
[22:12] <|Jeroen|> whats a denon ?
[22:13] <Quietlyawesome94> Anyone recommend one for me?
[22:13] <|Jeroen|> but you can also use a mce remote
[22:13] <|Jeroen|> that also works out of the box
[22:13] <Primer> http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-1613-Channel-Networking-Receiver/dp/B007R8U5QW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360789986&sr=8-1&keywords=denon+1613
[22:13] <swart> check the wiki for the latest info
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[22:13] <Primer> Quietlyawesome94: that's good to know too. I think I might just take that route
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[22:14] <Quietlyawesome94> yeah, it finds your XBMC install through the router
[22:14] <Primer> well, my pi is hard wired and my phone would be on the same network segment
[22:14] <Primer> just over wifi
[22:14] <|Jeroen|> yeah u can use the remotes over the normal eth
[22:15] <|Jeroen|> no need for a wifi dongle
[22:15] <Quietlyawesome94> I'd need a dongle
[22:15] <Primer> as long as they're on the same network segment
[22:15] <Quietlyawesome94> Which I should probably go order...
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[22:15] <Primer> or have a route to your xbmc if not
[22:15] <Primer> Quietlyawesome94: why though? Is your pi not already on your network?
[22:15] <Quietlyawesome94> I've just found that I can use some software to stream 1080p MP4s to my Wii U
[22:16] <|Jeroen|> still a normal remote works better then an app
[22:16] <Quietlyawesome94> I've hardly used my Pi since where I'd want to hook it up is unreachable with ethenet and I haven't ordered a dongle.
[22:17] <Quietlyawesome94> Yep, I saw a guy demoing it with a remote
[22:17] <Quietlyawesome94> I wondered how he did it
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[22:17] <Scriven> Wiimote + bluetooth adapter == pi control. ;)
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[22:18] <Scriven> Does work, but is still not 'optimal' I'd have said.
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[22:19] <Quietlyawesome94> this is just two bucks... http://www.amazon.com/Esky-150Mbps-WIRELESS-ADAPTER-802-11/dp/B0058XSZGU/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1360790330&sr=1-4&keywords=wifi+dongle
[22:19] <|Jeroen|> but isn't cec suppost to go over all hdmi devices like a bus
[22:20] <Primer> |Jeroen|: I'm going to look into that
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[22:20] <|Jeroen|> yeah i think it could work
[22:20] <Primer> since the only control my TV actually receives from my remote is power
[22:20] <|Jeroen|> its the cheapest solution
[22:20] <Primer> the rest goes to the Denon, PS3, or DVR
[22:21] <|Jeroen|> maby your denon supports cec
[22:21] <|Jeroen|> doesn't have to be a tv, as long as it has a remote
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[22:21] <Primer> exactly
[22:22] <|Jeroen|> you can c the connected devices in xbmc
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[22:22] <Primer> HDMI version 1.4a with support for 3D video, Audio Return Channel, Deep Color, x.v.Color, auto lip-sync, and HDMI-CEC
[22:22] <Primer> lovely
[22:22] <|Jeroen|> indeed
[22:22] * IT_Sean wonders if his TV supports CEC
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[22:23] <Quietlyawesome94> I have a Toshiba Regza from like 2011
[22:23] <Quietlyawesome94> Doubt it supports it
[22:24] <|Jeroen|> u guess so, cec has been around a while
[22:24] <piney0> it might
[22:24] <piney0> worth checking
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[22:25] <|Jeroen|> yeah it could be that you have to turn it on on your tv
[22:25] * IT_Sean rather hopes his does
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[22:25] * IT_Sean has never seen a menu option for it, so, he doubts it though
[22:25] <|Jeroen|> samsung call's it anynet+
[22:25] <Primer> so I guess there's some command line utility that can listen for CEC command coming in over HDMI?
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[22:27] <|Jeroen|> yeah there is, someone even wrote somthing to capture the status and do stuff
[22:28] <Quietlyawesome94> I'm not sure what model it is
[22:29] * Quietlyawesome94 looks
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[22:29] <Quietlyawesome94> yay model number is on the side
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[22:32] <Quietlyawesome94> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Toshiba-46-LCD-1080p-120Hz-HDTV-46XV645U/14118825
[22:32] <Quietlyawesome94> "REGZA-LINK?? (HDMI??? CEC)**"
[22:33] <|Jeroen|> there you go
[22:33] <Primer> |Jeroen|: I'm using raspbian. It seems cec stuff's not included?
[22:33] <|Jeroen|> i think most vendors have a different name for it
[22:33] <Primer> I have no idea what openelec is
[22:33] <|Jeroen|> openelec is an media center with xbmc
[22:33] <IT_Sean> openelec is an xbmc distro for the pi
[22:33] <|Jeroen|> its great if you only need xbmc
[22:33] <Primer> although there are libcec1 and libcec2 packages
[22:34] <Primer> but their descriptions...
[22:34] <Primer> USB CEC Adaptor communication Library (shared library)
[22:34] <Primer> libcec2 is installed, and I'm hoping it was pulled in as a dependency of xbmc
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[22:37] <Quietlyawesome94> So I have Regzalink... that means I can just use the controller that came with my TV?
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[22:39] <|Jeroen|> yes
[22:39] <Quietlyawesome94> That's a problem. We haven't had that remote in years. D:
[22:40] <nid0> any remote will do
[22:40] <Quietlyawesome94> Interesting
[22:40] <nid0> CEC sends signals over the hdmi port, if you turn the tv to turn off itll tell any cec connected device to also turn off, it doesnt matter *how* you tell the tv to switch off
[22:41] <Quietlyawesome94> The Wii U controller can control most controls on a TV
[22:41] <Quietlyawesome94> I should hook my Pi up and see if it'll do anything with the Wii U controller
[22:41] <Quietlyawesome94> or my DirecTV controller
[22:43] <rymate1234> good luck
[22:44] <Quietlyawesome94> I'll report back. I need to burn the latest raspbmc .
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[22:45] <hyppias> can I run an Apache server with mysql and php on a pi?
[22:46] <|Jeroen|> sure
[22:46] <hyppias> thnx
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[22:48] <Quietlyawesome94> Shoot. it needs internet to install.
[22:49] <Quietlyawesome94> I need to order a dongle tonight
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[22:53] <Canisaur> you can get a raspbmc image that doesn't need internet
[22:53] <Canisaur> scroll down to "Standalone Image"
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[22:54] <Canisaur> http://download.raspbmc.com/downloads/bin/filesystem/prebuilt/raspbmc-final.img.gz
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[22:58] <Torikun> anyone know how to forward traffic from one interface to another?
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[22:58] <Torikun> I have a VM with two NICS
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[23:03] <swart> anyone here familiar with the gerboard?
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[23:03] <swart> gertboard
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[23:08] <swart> gordonDrogon: are you available to answer some quick questions about the Gertboard?
[23:08] <swart> hate to bother you but it's not clear from any of the sites I could find what power supply I need to use it
[23:09] <swart> or supplies
[23:09] <john_f> Torikun: if they are on the same subnet you can add them to a bridge interface, if not use nat which is mostly just a few iptables rules
[23:09] <Torikun> yeah all teh tutorials not working
[23:09] <Torikun> for nat
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[23:12] <john_f> Torikun: like this? http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/nat.html
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> swart, hi...
[23:12] <Torikun> will try it now ty
[23:12] <swart> hi
[23:13] <john_f> Torikun: that doesn't make it permanent
[23:13] <swart> I have some darlington arrays on order so maybe I don't really need a gertboard immediately
[23:13] <john_f> well later on, but taht is distro specific
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> swart, what do you want to know?
[23:13] <swart> does the Gertboard need its own 5V power or does it get it from the pi?
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> it takes 5v from the Pi and then generates its own 3.3 from that.
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[23:14] <Torikun> You save me john_f
[23:14] <swart> if I add some higher power devices, will all those need a common ground?
[23:14] <Torikun> it worked
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> You an feed it 5v externally though, but you don't need to.
[23:14] <Torikun> ty
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> swart, what sort of higher power devices?
[23:14] <swart> ok that helps. I guess it comes directly from the ribbon. makes it easy
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[23:14] <swart> I was thinking of some 12V motors
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> swart, you can drive them off the darlingtons.
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> there is a separate common supply for that.
[23:15] <Torikun> i got confused with masquerading
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[23:15] <gordonDrogon> the limit is 500mA in total through the uln2803 though.
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[23:16] <swart> for a mobile application (e.g. a robot) - I would need a custom PS or is that something I could just order
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> 6 channels, so 120mA each...
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> is PS = PSU, then make your own from batteries? You'll need a 5v regulator of some kind.
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[23:17] <swart> yes that's what I meant
[23:17] <swart> I could use an LM317 or something like that?
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> I've driven a Pi off batteries in the past.
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> I used a 7805 ...
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[23:17] <swart> ok I think I have some of those too
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> not that efficient though.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> they get a bit warm :)
[23:18] <swart> I think I have some old laptop batteries I can use :)
[23:18] <swart> then I need to think about a charging circuit :p
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> you might want to look at an SMPS type DC to DC converter.
[23:19] <swart> I think I've seen some tutorials for that
[23:20] <swart> they use a microcontroller to generate high voltages?
[23:20] <swart> ok google has a heap of stuff on this
[23:20] <swart> thanks for your help
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[23:21] <gordonDrogon> an oscillator.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> but yea, and ebay has loads of them too.
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[23:29] <Pi_Sean> Based on my past experiances, the typical first thing to with a raspi is log into IRC with it, and say hello. so... hello.
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[23:55] <Viper-7> Hai Sean`s Pi
[23:55] <Viper-7> aww
[23:55] <Flexnard> lol
[23:55] <IT_Sean> sorry... I just popped in quickly from it
[23:56] <IT_Sean> working on getting openelec working now...
[23:56] <IT_Sean> BOOTED!
[23:56] <clear`> i need to work on getting openelec working also
[23:57] <clear`> but i am lazy
[23:57] <clear`> which image did you use?
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[23:57] <swart> openelec > raspbmc?
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[23:57] <clear`> swart: no clue, i was running raspbian for a while
[23:57] <swart> the raspbmc installer is really easy
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> I think openelec >> raspbmc, but to each his own. Many people prefer raspbmc. It comes down to personal preference.
[23:57] <IT_Sean> this one
[23:57] <clear`> works on linux?
[23:57] <IT_Sean> http://openelec.tv/get-openelec/download/viewdownload/10/30
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[23:58] <swart> I had it up and running in a few minutes
[23:58] <swart> openelec is lighter weight
[23:58] <clear`> i tried openelec when my pi first came in last year, switched to raspbian + xbmc
[23:58] <swart> I need to rearrange some furniture to get it working anyhow. no ethernet in my tv room
[23:58] <clear`> my wifi adapter came in and i have a dedicated external drive for the pi now

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