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IRC Log for 2013-02-17

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[0:15] <UnaClocker> Kinda funny, I'm using a Raspberry Pi to emulate a Sega Genesis.. The Pi could easily fit inside one of the game cartridges.. ;)
[0:15] <ParkerR> :D
[0:16] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: I'm designing a new motherboard for my Genesis.. ;)
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[0:34] <MrKeuner> hello, I think this is a heat sensor. Can I use it with raspberry pi? http://ubuntuone.com/3GloZKnVGG8JZ3ftcJABPv
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[0:36] <SpeedEvil> it's uncle war
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[0:36] <tdy> that's all the info you can get about it? a picture?
[0:36] <SpeedEvil> unclear
[0:36] <SpeedEvil> look up the number
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> it could be a strain gauge or a thermocouple too
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[0:39] <MrKeuner> SpeedEvil, looked up the number but could not get anything. may be you guys can: 103IM9 there is a logo like 5 at the beginning
[0:39] <mgottschlag> I would expect it to be a thermocouple
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[0:39] <MrKeuner> i possibly got this when I gotr a bare bone or something
[0:39] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, So plug in Pi catridge, it gets power, and hooks up to video and audio out?
[0:40] <MrKeuner> not sure how it made its way to my hardware arsenal
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[0:40] <mgottschlag> MrKeuner: google "thermocouple", I only know some good german tutorials on how to use them
[0:41] <MrKeuner> mgottschlag, sorry no Deutsch in here. My nick is because I like Brecht
[0:42] <mgottschlag> actually, what about http://learn.adafruit.com/thermocouple/?
[0:42] <mgottschlag> of course at first you need to find out what that thing you have there really is :p
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[0:43] <qasd> so you can run python on the rasp i suppose?
[0:43] <mgottschlag> and I have no idea how, doesn't look like a simple multimeter will be enough to sense the voltages
[0:43] <mgottschlag> qasd: sure
[0:43] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, So not many dwtails about the Pi cartridge yet? :P
[0:43] <ParkerR> *details
[0:44] <MrKeuner> mgottschlag, so assuming this is a thermocouple, it would not read me the temperature in a reliable way, correct?
[0:44] <qasd> is there an hdmi interface on the rasp? i want to make a mediacenter. could i run a torrent client on the raspberry?
[0:45] <mgottschlag> there is hdmi, and nobody stops you from running any network programs :)
[0:45] <mgottschlag> and torrent programs are available for ARM linux
[0:45] <mgottschlag> MrKeuner: why not? if you manage to interface it properly
[0:46] <MrKeuner> qasd, get one you'll find infinitely many uses for it
[0:46] <MrKeuner> I got mine a week ago, already realized need one more
[0:47] <MrKeuner> mgottschlag, i got that impression reading there is no interesting parts in it. just cables soldered together... :)
[0:48] <plugwash> thermocouples need special electronics to amplify the very small signal they produce and to provide "cold junction compensation"
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[0:48] <mgottschlag> MrKeuner: one other example of "just different metals put together": batteries :p
[0:48] <MrKeuner> true :)
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[0:49] <SpeedEvil> mgottschlag: err, no
[0:50] <SpeedEvil> they have electrolyte too
[0:50] <plugwash> you can get single chips with everything needed to interface to a thermocouple and provide the cold junction compensation
[0:50] <mgottschlag> SpeedEvil: hm, indeed
[0:50] <MrKeuner> mgottschlag's point holds though. But what I really meant was if I would need additional electronics to make a thermocouple work. I would not do it
[0:51] <plugwash> note that the chips are generally designed for a particular thermocouple type, so you need to know the type of your thermocouple when buying them
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[0:57] <qasd> So what do I need to play around with a Pi? a keyboard and a TV is enough to have a computer? then i can progrAm on it and see it on the TV? it comes preinstalled with a linux distro?
[0:57] <qasd> it is basically a 50 USD PC?
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[0:57] <mdszy> qasd, are you buying it with an SD card?
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[0:57] <reta> anyone have a clue why raspbmc and xbian won't boot on my RPi? both openelec and raspbian works fine
[0:58] <mdszy> as in, an SD card specifically with an OS on it?
[0:58] <mdszy> because if not, then you have to buy an SD card and put the OS onto it yourself, but otherwise you're correct
[0:59] <linuxstb> qasd: You also need to buy a power supply, and as mdszy says, an SD card (plus a network cable and hdmi cable, and a case if you want)
[0:59] <plugwash> qasd, the Pi loads it's OS from a SD card, no card is included you can either buy a preloaded card with your OS of choice or get a blank card and write the image yourself (this will require another computer though)
[1:01] <tdy> since he said 50USD, i guess he's looking at a bundle
[1:01] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: Sorry,went to fly a kite.. (Failed miserably).. Anyways, no, I was just noticing that it could fit in there..
[1:02] <pksato> reta: you using a same sd card?
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[1:04] <reta> yeah
[1:04] <tdy> there are definitely distro quirks with SD cards
[1:04] <qasd> takes skill to get a disttro onto an SD card? there a re ready for SD card downloads i suppoose?
[1:05] <tdy> there are wikis about success of distros/SDcards, but i dunno how often people actually update those
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> http://www.screwfix.com/p/copper-pipe-28mm-x-3m-pack-of-5/55533
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> err
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> nvm
[1:06] * plugwash wonders what SpeedEvil is doing with cooper pipe
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[1:07] <SpeedEvil> I was wondering about the plausibility of making vacuum insulated pipe.
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[1:09] <tdy> qasd: just think of the IMGs as ISOs
[1:10] <tdy> there's no skill involved, you just "burn" the img to the sd card
[1:10] <tdy> although.. i guess it's harder if you only have access to windows.. i don't even know how to dd in windows, i'd have to google that myself if i were in that situation
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[1:22] <qasd> can you make a cheaper mediacenter with a raspberry than it costs to buy one equally powerful?
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[1:24] <pksato> qasd: mk802 Android 4.0 media player cost arround 70USD.
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[1:25] <qasd> i guess
[1:25] <qasd> but i cant put what i want on it
[1:27] <pksato> http://liliputing.com/2012/07/linux-distributions-that-can-run-on-an-mk802-mini-pc.html
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[1:33] <ldionmarcil> qasd: define "put what I want on it"
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[1:37] <Osile> hey
[1:38] <Osile> everytime i try to re-mapping my keyboard i can't reboot
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[1:45] <Osile> everytime i try to re-mapping my keyboard i can't reboot
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[1:55] <timmmaaaayyy> i want to mount a drive from my qnap....it supports nfs, smb, afp, or pretty much everything else as well. what's the easiest? any ideas?
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[1:56] <pksato> smb or nfs
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[1:57] <timmmaaaayyy> if nfs builtin or do i have to install stuff?
[1:57] <lost_soul> I read somewhere that NFS is slightly less resource intensive... unsure exactly how true or not that is, but with such a minimalistic device such as the pi you might want to test both
[1:58] <pksato> smb is more resource intensive.
[1:59] <pksato> mount -t nfs server:export /mnt/qnap (first mkdir /mnt/qnap)
[2:00] <pksato> ah... some wrong.
[2:01] <pksato> no. is correct.
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[2:02] <pksato> and, or, mount -t smb -o auth_things //server/share /tmp/qnap (or any similar to it)
[2:04] <Osile> do you know how to change your keyboard layout ?
[2:04] <pksato> rasp-config ?
[2:05] <pksato> dpkg-reconfigure console-tools ? (or some like)
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[2:06] <Osile> yes but if did that and reboot my keyboard is still in the wrong layout..
[2:06] <Triffid_Hunter> don't use smb type, use mount -t cifs
[2:07] <pksato> Osile: root is mounted as read only?
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[2:07] <Triffid_Hunter> nfs hates me, I've stopped using it
[2:07] <pksato> Oh yes... cifs is a way...
[2:07] <Osile> how could i check this ?
[2:07] <pksato> Osile: mount
[2:08] <pksato> or, sd write lock .
[2:09] <Osile> oh mh kk how could i change it that i could write sd haven't a lock
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[2:15] <Osile> hm but i can create folders and so on
[2:16] <Osile> it looks that i have rw permissions for root
[2:16] <pksato> this file /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz
[2:17] <Osile> yes ?
[2:18] <pksato> and, this directory have keymaps /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/
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[2:18] <pksato> copy you map to /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz
[2:18] <Osile> this file is empty
[2:18] <pksato> Oh...
[2:19] <Osile> yes...
[2:19] <pksato> have a free space? (df -h)
[2:20] <Osile> what meens df -h ?
[2:20] <Osile> ok sry
[2:20] <pksato> Disk Free
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[2:21] <Osile> ehm it says that i have 2.9 gb total but i have a 16gb sd ??
[2:21] <timmmaaaayyy> is it possible to use something like this on a directory? find . -name .AppleDouble -delete
[2:21] <Osile> nope..
[2:21] <pksato> timmmaaaayyy: yes. can do.
[2:21] <Osile> and it says that i have 136 M avaible
[2:21] <timmmaaaayyy> pksato: sweet! any idea how?
[2:22] <Osile> nope no idea..
[2:22] <pksato> ah? it not work?
[2:22] <timmmaaaayyy> no it says the directory isn't empty....so i need something like -rf but it won't let me do that
[2:23] <timmmaaaayyy> find: unknown predicate `-rf'
[2:23] <pksato> Ah... you need do delete non empty directory.
[2:24] <timmmaaaayyy> correct
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[2:26] <pksato> danger command: find . -type d -name .AppleDouble -exec rm -rf {} \;
[2:27] <timmmaaaayyy> ooooh interesting. yet extremely scary
[2:27] <pksato> or, first delete files.
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[2:32] <jcath> morning
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[2:46] <Osile> good evening ;)
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[2:50] <jcath> :D
[2:52] <Osile> do you have any idea because of what if i copy a img (size 4 gb) to my 16gb sd this reduce the total space to 4 gb ?
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[2:56] <plugwash> the image contains the complete structure of stuff on the card including partition tables and filesystems
[2:57] <plugwash> so when you write it to the card the partitions will only occupy a small part of the card. You can enlarge them with partition editing software like gparted. Some images also come with tools to enlarge the partition on the Pi itself.
[2:57] <Osile> ok thank you
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[3:02] <Osile> ok i have a second problem if i try to change my keyboard layout it apply it to the file /etc/default/keyboard but the layout is even wrong
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[3:04] <Ademan-remote> Is it possible to create an opengl context without a display connected?
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[3:09] <timmmaaaayyy> i forgot to say thanks earlier.....THANK YOU pksato
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[3:12] <Viper-7> Osile: raspi-config should cover the partitioning stuff
[3:13] <Osile> ok thanks i try
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[3:38] <plugwash> Viper-7, please be careful to only suggest using the partitioning tools in raspi-config after you have confirmed they are using a compatible image
[3:39] <plugwash> in particular oslile's mention of a 4GB image suggests he is NOT using the raspberry pi foundation image
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[3:52] <Viper-7> plugwash: many/most images available are based on raspbian, there are a huge number of forks adding support for various features which still offer those same tools
[3:53] <Viper-7> in the chance that his distribution is not based on raspbian, and does not provide that tool, he`ll get a simple file not found error
[3:53] <Viper-7> how is that a bad thing?
[3:53] <Viper-7> why be careful? just let him try it...
[3:53] <Viper-7> far more useful than not telling him what he needs to try
[3:55] <plugwash> the worse case is that the image is based on raspbian and includes that tool but has a partition structure that isn't compatible with it
[3:55] <plugwash> i'm not at all confident that quickly hacked together set of scripts will behave sanely in such situations
[3:56] <Viper-7> in which case the distribution is broken, and that should be found / reported asap
[3:56] <Viper-7> as im sure the very first user that tried it found out
[3:56] <plugwash> (though I will admit I haven't looked in detail)
[3:56] <plugwash> maybe i'm just overcautious
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[4:00] <plugwash> hmm, reading the code it's not quite as bad as I feared, it seems it will only DTRT if the card only has two partitions but it won't break to horriblly in most other cases (though I bet there are cases where it will break)
[4:01] <Viper-7> yeah, partitioning tools are always scary, especially when they`re automated
[4:02] <Viper-7> but for the case of resizing an image they`ve just uploaded to an SD card, its not really a huge deal imo if things go terribly wrong
[4:03] <Viper-7> obviously they need a resolution, but data loss and such shouldnt be a drama
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[4:07] <xiambax> Anyone here live in Palo Alto?
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[4:23] <DaxxRuckus> hey all, question has anyone seen this error before
[4:23] <DaxxRuckus> "SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xc2'"
[4:23] <xiambax> Key mapping issue
[4:24] <DaxxRuckus> what does that mean?
[4:24] <xiambax> What key did you press?
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[4:24] <DaxxRuckus> i pasted in some code from a tutorial
[4:24] <DaxxRuckus> and when i tried to run the progam, I got that error
[4:24] <DaxxRuckus> http://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-e-mail-notifier-using-leds/python-script
[4:24] <DaxxRuckus> I pasted in the code from there
[4:25] <steve_rox> has cam module been released or has this news website screwed up?
[4:26] <pksato> Not on sale.
[4:27] <steve_rox> so im right then
[4:27] <steve_rox> wish news sites wouldent be so missleading
[4:28] <pksato> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3224
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[4:30] <steve_rox> i usually monitor google news feed for pi updates and theres a entry saying the cam is available
[4:30] <steve_rox> how annoying
[4:30] <pksato> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=32605
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[4:32] <steve_rox> should be some really interesting projects made with that
[4:33] <pksato> but, model A is on sale on EU.
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[4:35] <pksato> pre-production camera module and sales of model A are announced together. It can make confusion.
[4:36] <Tater61757> best to double check with those actually making it :)
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[4:36] <Tater61757> I wouldn't buy the first run of cameras anyway. let it go for about two months, then make a purchase.
[4:37] <Tater61757> let others iron out the bugs ;)
[4:37] <DaxxRuckus> Anyone have any ideas about this "SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xc2
[4:37] <pksato> DaxxRuckus: no.
[4:37] <DaxxRuckus> in file...but no encoding declared
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[4:38] <DaxxRuckus> I tried declaring UTF-8
[4:38] <DaxxRuckus> but just got more errors
[4:38] <pksato> that file?
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[4:40] <ParkerR> Dat Pi http://withg.org/parkerlreed/pictures/IMG_0760.JPG
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[4:42] <pksato> Oh... some mouse eat RCA connector. :)
[4:42] <ParkerR> :)
[4:43] <ParkerR> That was my crappy desoldering job that ended in me just wiggling the connector off
[4:43] <Tater61757> why remove it?
[4:44] <steve_rox> could probly neaten it up with fine side cutters
[4:44] <ParkerR> I never use it and less to remove when making cases
[4:44] <steve_rox> could still solder wires onto it and use it
[4:44] <ParkerR> Yep
[4:44] <steve_rox> or wire a smaller jack connector to it
[4:44] <ParkerR> Kinda why I left it like that
[4:45] <steve_rox> did you see that pi pic which had been allmost vaporised by 150v?
[4:45] <Tater61757> Parker> making custom cases? what's your project
[4:45] <Tater61757> steve, nope, got a link?
[4:46] <steve_rox> http://i.imgur.com/fcYna4w.jpg
[4:46] <steve_rox> http://i.imgur.com/zbB4ZAL.jpg
[4:46] <ParkerR> Tater61757, Not much atm. Just didn't feel like cutting an extra hole in an Altoids tin http://imgur.com/a/oL7Ay
[4:46] <ParkerR> Makes it look (slightly) neater
[4:47] <steve_rox> someone said he was trying to control xmas light with em
[4:47] <steve_rox> and got the pins wrong
[4:47] <pksato> use of soldering pot to remove parts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHL0a80_oJc
[4:47] <ShiftPlusOne> jesus
[4:47] <ShiftPlusOne> That's a crispy pi O_O
[4:47] <steve_rox> yup
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[4:48] <steve_rox> the most destroyed one ive seen so far
[4:48] <steve_rox> apparently the sd was melted too
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[4:48] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[4:48] <plugwash> if you want to get rid of a connector and you don't have a solder pot my advice is to get a set of strong but cheap side cutters and use them to destroy the connector
[4:48] <plugwash> then desolder the individual pins one at a time
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[4:49] <steve_rox> i use the connector anyways
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[4:50] <Viper-7> steve_roxL oh wow
[4:50] <Viper-7> /L/:/
[4:51] <steve_rox> :-p
[4:52] <steve_rox> guess ppl shouldent play with high voltage
[4:52] <steve_rox> ironically i have a disposible camera inverter in my hand
[4:52] <Viper-7> >:D
[4:52] <ParkerR> :D
[4:52] <ParkerR> SO many shocks
[4:52] <ParkerR> But I still mess with those
[4:53] <ParkerR> Made a taser out of one once. Sure purns tiny holes in people >:D
[4:53] <ParkerR> *burns
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[4:54] <ParkerR> And my current Pi setup is... http://i.minus.com/iChdypi2m7Pm2.JPG
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[4:57] <steve_rox> yeah theres kinda legality issues in the uk with them
[4:57] <steve_rox> apparently you can use them to charge caps and bring ni-cad bats back to life
[4:57] <steve_rox> using em
[4:58] <steve_rox> wonder if that pi smells good when cooked at 150v
[4:59] <ParkerR> Hehe
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[5:01] <steve_rox> :-D
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[5:10] <xiambax> Do you think there will be a second digital revolution?
[5:11] <Tater61757> define second digital revolution :)
[5:11] <xiambax> from 1980 to the dot com boom
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[5:12] <xiambax> Something that big and revolutionary
[5:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I think that if there is, it will be in the lab, not in garages.
[5:15] <mdszy> I think it'd have something to do with totally redefining the internet, something that would definitely keep it out of the hands of gov'ts that want to control it.
[5:17] <xiambax> I feel like i missed something
[5:17] <xiambax> Like I was born too late
[5:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Heh, same here. I had that thought while reading iWoz.
[5:18] <xiambax> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFL9IyJ_qHk watching this three part doc from 1996
[5:18] <xiambax> very interesting
[5:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Seen it =)
[5:18] <xiambax> I work retail and am just scrapping by and feel entirely unfulfilled with life. I need to do something. I just don't know what it is
[5:19] <ShiftPlusOne> I've recently bought myself a C64 and cleaned it up. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/C64_clean.jpg It has been quite interesting to learn about and mess around with.
[5:20] <xiambax> I owned a apple 2 c i woz edition
[5:20] <xiambax> and a personal computer xt for awhile
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[5:20] <xiambax> my iMac g4 running openbsd is the oldest system i own now
[5:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I disagree with the whole 'missing something' idea though. There's nothing back then that you can't do now. You can design your own cpu or gpu on an fpga, start modding old hardware and extending its capability and so on. Then there are heaps of open source projects you can contribute to. Even things like raspberry pi open up many possibilities.
[5:23] <SpeedEvil> my oldest working system is a Cambridge z88 portable computer.
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[5:24] <SpeedEvil> put in 4 aa batteries and it f ires right up
[5:24] <SpeedEvil> as to things you can't do.
[5:25] <SpeedEvil> with a c64 or a spectrum or ... you can learn essentially the whole system, hardware and software
[5:26] <SpeedEvil> this is basically impossible with todays systems.
[5:26] <xiambax> I want to start a computer company.
[5:26] <Flexnard> Speed you got me wanting to dig out my old C-pet and see if it still boots :P
[5:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Sure, but you couldn't learn the whole of todays systems back then either. Old hardware is still fun to learn about, despite having insanely complicated modern alternatives.
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[6:29] <mukti> I haver my raspberry pi in a clear adafruit case, and it seems to get pretty hot. Are there any remedies fort this,I'm not sure if its the case or the pi
[6:30] <clear`> how hot?
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[6:34] <mukti> clear`: not too hot, but pretty warm. Its not going to melt the case or anything,I'm just worried for the long term
[6:35] <mukti> Is there anyway I should cool it?
[6:36] <Eartaker> add a heat sync?
[6:37] <clear`> see how hot it gets with and without the case
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[6:38] <mukti> I was considering a heatsink, but I don't know how much that would help. Have you used them before?
[6:39] <mukti> How do they stick on, do you just use the stickiness of thermal paste
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[6:42] <ShiftPlusOne> heatsinks are pointless, stop being silly, people.
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[6:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Check the actual reported temperature if you're concerned. If it's under 80c (and it is), then you have nothing to worry about.
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[6:46] <mukti> What do you use to check temperature, LM_sensors?
[6:46] <ShiftPlusOne> vcgencmd
[6:47] <ShiftPlusOne> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
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[6:52] <mukti> Okay,looks decent (47C)
[6:53] <mukti> Is vcgencmd included in most Linux distros, or is it just a raspberry pi thing?
[6:54] <ShiftPlusOne> pi
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[7:10] <steve_rox> mines 46'c
[7:12] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Ping :D
[7:13] <UnaClocker> Sup.. Debugging my Sega control pad decoder??? ;)
[7:13] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, 5 hours and 52 mintes uptime with the Lapdock
[7:13] <ParkerR> *minutes
[7:13] <UnaClocker> The "multiplexed" buttons are funky..
[7:13] <ParkerR> IRCrunning the entire time
[7:14] <UnaClocker> Not bad for a model B.. You swap in a better voltage regulator?
[7:14] <ParkerR> Nope
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[7:14] <ParkerR> Just stock backpowering
[7:14] <UnaClocker> Cool.. :)
[7:14] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, I had just checked the uptime then (powers off)
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[7:15] <ParkerR> Hehe
[7:15] <UnaClocker> :)
[7:15] <steve_rox> wernt you that guy that ripped the lan chip off?
[7:15] <UnaClocker> Yup
[7:15] <steve_rox> thought so
[7:15] <UnaClocker> That was me. I get 8.6 hours out of my Lapdock.. ;)
[7:15] <ParkerR> UnaClocker got 8 hours out of that
[7:15] <steve_rox> hows that working out?
[7:15] <ParkerR> I might do it
[7:16] <ParkerR> Or just buy a model A
[7:16] <UnaClocker> Works great, I went ahead and removed a few other components to get the weight down.. ;)
[7:16] <steve_rox> makes ya wish they dident discontinue the lapdock eh?
[7:16] <ParkerR> Might buy another Model B just to rip the chip out of
[7:16] <UnaClocker> No more RCA jack (composite), audio jack, and ethernet jack..
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[7:16] <UnaClocker> You can still get the lapdock for like $77 on Amazon in the US..
[7:16] <ParkerR> steve_rox, Well they disontinued the phone and la[dpk
[7:16] <ParkerR> *lapdock
[7:17] <steve_rox> anyone figure out the battery capasity in the lapdock yet?
[7:17] <UnaClocker> Yeah, if Apple had a flop like the lapdock, the anti-fanboi's would be having a field day, but since it's just one of the thousand android's, nobody's laughing.. heh..
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[7:18] <UnaClocker> steve_rox: It's a custom flat lipo, much like the one in a macbook air.. It doesn't have any markings from what I've seen in some teardowns.
[7:18] <steve_rox> sounds explosive
[7:18] <ParkerR> steve_rox, "Battery: 36Wh 3 cell"
[7:18] <UnaClocker> Yeah, don't bypass the charger, overheat, or drop the thing...
[7:19] <steve_rox> ive seen them things blow
[7:19] <steve_rox> nasty things
[7:19] <UnaClocker> And don't try to power a Boeing nightmareliner with it.
[7:19] <ParkerR> ?
[7:20] <UnaClocker> Boeing "dream"liners are grounded, due to self destructing lithium ion battery packs...
[7:20] <ParkerR> :O
[7:20] <UnaClocker> Seems like more of a nightmare than a dream, to me..
[7:20] <steve_rox> ahh yeah i rember
[7:20] <steve_rox> i think nasa had some the batts on order
[7:20] <steve_rox> or something
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[7:22] <ParkerR> Well whatever the battery capacity I just love how I can get fives hours out fo a charge
[7:22] <ParkerR> *five
[7:22] <ParkerR> *of
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[7:22] <UnaClocker> Yup, I'm right there with you..
[7:22] <steve_rox> now you have a long power portable pi , what do ya do with it?
[7:22] <UnaClocker> Love the battery life..
[7:22] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, http://i.minus.com/iChdypi2m7Pm2.JPG
[7:23] <ParkerR> steve_rox, I use it as I would a laptop
[7:23] <UnaClocker> heheh, made in the UK, but has a black audio jack.. I suspect not.. ;)
[7:23] <ParkerR> Notes, a little web browsing
[7:24] <ParkerR> Games
[7:24] <ParkerR> (Using the RetroPie image)
[7:24] <UnaClocker> Took mine to the local hackerspace last weekend.. Did some Arduino coding on it..
[7:25] <ParkerR> I've taken mine to McDonalds http://dl.dropbox.com/u/71679/mcd.jpg
[7:25] <ParkerR> Not nearly as cool as UnaClocker's location
[7:25] <steve_rox> hope it dident get fat
[7:25] <UnaClocker> hehe, I didn't get any pictures.. But was happy it joined their wifi without any drama.. ;)
[7:26] <ParkerR> I've got wifi setup with just network-manager and wpa_supplicant
[7:26] <ParkerR> No hoggy daemon like wicd
[7:26] <steve_rox> i cant get wifi working with default pi os
[7:26] <UnaClocker> I just used whatever that icon is in X.. Works well..
[7:26] <steve_rox> i can on xbmc tho
[7:26] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, wpagui?
[7:26] <UnaClocker> Yeah
[7:26] <ParkerR> Yeah tis nice
[7:27] <steve_rox> mine always denies me access to its settigns
[7:27] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Every time I hold this lapdock in my hands I just think to myself "Such amazing build quality for so cheap"
[7:27] <steve_rox> lucky im using cat5 cable for now
[7:28] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: Yeah, I'm spoiled by my MacBook Air.. It's about the same..
[7:28] <UnaClocker> Granted, yes, $40 is alot better than the $700 I paid for the air..
[7:28] <ParkerR> Haha
[7:28] <UnaClocker> Or, $110 when you factor in the pi, SD card, adapter cables and wifi adapter..
[7:29] <UnaClocker> steve_rox: I use cat5 whenever possible.. Both my XBMC Pi's are hardwired..
[7:31] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Did you ever find a way to get it to not power cycle when closing?
[7:31] <steve_rox> better speed as well as less snoopers
[7:32] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: No, I haven't gotten back into that.. I suspect there's a mosfet on the motherboard that's triggered by a magnetic switch.. If I can identify the mosfet, I can just jumper around it.
[7:32] <UnaClocker> I failed to find the switch in my previous attempt.
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[7:32] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Or remove reed switch :P
[7:33] <ParkerR> Might be able to find it with a separate magnet
[7:33] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I didn't want to get that deep into this thing.
[7:33] <UnaClocker> I'm pretty sure it's in the palm rest, or above the screen.
[7:33] <steve_rox> suprised they put magnets near electronics
[7:34] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Also you probably already know this but FN + Key right next to P control the brightness
[7:34] <UnaClocker> heh, doesn't hurt them at all.
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[7:34] <ParkerR> steve_rox, That only has the possibility of mattering if normal HDD
[7:34] <ParkerR> Evn then low chance
[7:34] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: Yeah, it's got brightness icons.. :) Shame the volume doesn't work.
[7:34] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Yeah I was messing around and was like :O hardware brightness control
[7:35] <ParkerR> Battery saver right there
[7:35] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I've not only had magnets near HDD's, I've had alternating magnetic fields near them (water pump in a water cooled computer) with no problems.
[7:35] <UnaClocker> Yeah, definitely.
[7:35] <steve_rox> avoid magnets near chips
[7:35] <UnaClocker> Not to mention the screen really washes out if you go all the way up..
[7:35] <ParkerR> Magnets dont affect flash chi[s
[7:35] <ParkerR> *chips
[7:36] <UnaClocker> steve_rox: I take it you've never used an iPad2 or later..
[7:36] <steve_rox> nah i hate apple
[7:36] <ParkerR> Good answer
[7:36] <steve_rox> ;-)
[7:36] <UnaClocker> heh, and hence why you're living in the dark..
[7:36] <steve_rox> well it is 6am
[7:36] <steve_rox> nighttime
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[7:37] <steve_rox> :-)
[7:37] <UnaClocker> Time for more coffeee??? ;)
[7:37] <steve_rox> hehe
[7:37] <steve_rox> i made a radio remote shutter for my digicam , managed to get some amazing pics with it
[7:40] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Found the reed switch
[7:40] <UnaClocker> Screen or armrest?
[7:40] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, to the left of the touchpad, bottom, halfway across
[7:40] <ParkerR> Armrest
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[7:41] <UnaClocker> Ok.. So either get to it and disable it, find where it's wires lead and disable them, or remove the magnet from the screen.
[7:41] <UnaClocker> I suspect the screen is glued together, like an MBA..
[7:41] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Oops
[7:41] <UnaClocker> heh
[7:42] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Immediately to the right of right click
[7:42] <ParkerR> Yeah thats definitely it
[7:42] <UnaClocker> Ahh, thought you meant oops like you just tore the screen open.. ;)
[7:42] <ParkerR> Hahaha
[7:42] <mukti> I'm trying to install tightvnc on my pi, and it works. The only problem is that when you connect, my DE isn't shown; it is only the default xorg setup
[7:42] <mukti> Does anyone know what could call this?
[7:42] <UnaClocker> No VNC experience, myself.
[7:43] <mukti> I've done it on other boxes in the past, but this one doesn't seem to work...
[7:44] <ParkerR> "<UnaClocker> I suspect the screen is glued together, like an MBA.." Only one way to find out.
[7:44] * ParkerR carefully takes an old plastic card around the edge
[7:45] <UnaClocker> hehe..
[7:47] <mukti> Ahhh, I might have used x11vnc in the past, I'll try that
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[7:48] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDIt snaps
[7:48] <UnaClocker> eh?
[7:48] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Well may be slightly glued but not easy to break the seal
[7:49] <ParkerR> * not hard
[7:49] <UnaClocker> Ahh.. But will it go back together without new glue?
[7:49] <ParkerR> Mebbe
[7:49] <ParkerR> Ony way way to find out (tm)
[7:49] <ParkerR> XD
[7:49] <ParkerR> *Only one
[7:49] <UnaClocker> Well, after you find that pesky magnet.
[7:50] <steve_rox> fun
[7:50] <UnaClocker> What else would you do late on a Saturday night? hehehe
[7:51] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, I can stream this if you want :)
[7:51] <steve_rox> im not sure
[7:51] <UnaClocker> hehe, nah..
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[7:51] <UnaClocker> I'm still trying to get this Sega controller to work..
[7:51] <ParkerR> Well Illstream it anyways to have it recorded
[7:51] <steve_rox> i got a sega saturn usb pad
[7:52] <steve_rox> i asume you mean messing with the originals?
[7:52] <UnaClocker> Yeah, this is a Genesis pad, going into a Teensy microcontroller, which will eventually pretend to be a keyboard pressing the right keys for the game emulator.. ;)
[7:52] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, http://twitch,tv/parkerlreed :P
[7:53] <steve_rox> can you put commers in domain names?
[7:53] <clear`> no
[7:53] <steve_rox> oh
[7:53] <UnaClocker> Ahh, that's why it wouldn't let me click it..
[7:53] <steve_rox> i feel tired but not tired enough to sleep
[7:54] <UnaClocker> steve_rox: Mmm, that'll be me after this cup of coffee. ;)
[7:54] <steve_rox> hehe
[7:54] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: Don't go cracking your LCD. That'll make me sad.
[7:56] <ParkerR> Im being careful(ish)
[7:56] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: They use heat guns (the very temp controlled SMD soldering kind) to get the glue to release on the MBA's..
[7:57] <steve_rox> they seem to make everything these days mega sealed and impossible to open without great damage
[7:57] <steve_rox> very annoying
[7:58] <UnaClocker> steve_rox: Some strange desire to make them smaller.. Me, I'd rather my iPhone 5 be as big as the original, with like 7 days of 4G battery life..
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[7:59] <steve_rox> oh er i see
[7:59] <steve_rox> still havent thought of a grand purpose for my pi yet
[7:59] <steve_rox> the sd card reader broke on it again the other day
[7:59] <steve_rox> that was a creative superglue job
[8:00] <UnaClocker> heh..
[8:00] <steve_rox> its holding tho
[8:01] <steve_rox> i have it hosting a mumble server which i guess is what i mainly use it for
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[8:01] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: that's the magnet you need to remove, has nothing to do with holding it closed.
[8:02] <UnaClocker> Hmmm...
[8:02] <steve_rox> wish they would port over some version of skype
[8:02] <UnaClocker> And flash.
[8:03] <steve_rox> im not crazy on flash heh
[8:03] <steve_rox> but it would be fun
[8:03] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: Tweazers
[8:04] <ParkerR> yeah
[8:08] <UnaClocker> Sewing needle? heh
[8:08] <ParkerR> :DDDDDDDDDDDD
[8:11] <UnaClocker> :)
[8:12] <UnaClocker> On a side note, my 11 year old son beat Quake 3 today.. ;) heh..
[8:13] <steve_rox> yay
[8:13] <mukti> Is there an fstab in archlinux arm for the pi?
[8:13] <UnaClocker> I suspect he'll royally kick my butt in the next deathmatch.. ;)
[8:13] <mukti> Whoops, fat fingered it
[8:15] <UnaClocker> Sweet!
[8:15] <UnaClocker> Problem solved, out like a bad tooth.
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[8:16] <UnaClocker> You Nuh Clocker.. ;)
[8:16] <UnaClocker> hehehe
[8:17] <UnaClocker> Congrats.
[8:18] <UnaClocker> hehe, I've gotta dig into mine now.. ;)
[8:19] <UnaClocker> heh
[8:20] <UnaClocker> :)
[8:20] <UnaClocker> Sure beats the supercap I saw some people using..
[8:21] <ParkerR> I feel like a dentist now
[8:21] <ParkerR> Prying at that magnet
[8:21] <UnaClocker> heh, yeah..
[8:21] <DeliriumTremens> sudo /etc/init.d/portmap restartand a big DERP goes out to me for not restarting NFS after changing export permissions
[8:21] * DeliriumTremens sighs
[8:21] * DeliriumTremens sets up cron
[8:21] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Kinda surprised screen didnt just go caput
[8:22] <UnaClocker> Woulda really sucked to crack the screen.
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[8:24] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, I kinda want to publish this to Yotube now but just realized I'm wearning my work shirt
[8:24] <ParkerR> Time to download and inly do that last little bit
[8:24] <UnaClocker> hehe, Noticed you were dressed rather nice.. ;)
[8:24] <ParkerR> *only
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[8:25] <ParkerR> Ahh I can cut out the good part in twitch
[8:29] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Thank you so much for inspiring me in my sleepy state
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[8:29] <UnaClocker> hehe, glad to help, now I know how to fix mine too.
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[8:32] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Kinda wish I could fix the touchpad. Nice big area but always seems to lag for a slight bit before it moves
[8:32] <ParkerR> Afraid thats something built into the hardware
[8:32] <UnaClocker> Mmm, I hadn't noticed..
[8:35] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Seems to have kinda glued itself back together
[8:35] <UnaClocker> Very nice. :)
[8:37] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vVwtvdOzHzk
[8:39] <UnaClocker> :)
[8:39] <ParkerR> Unlisted atm because meh
[8:39] <ParkerR> Might just pull some stills from the video and make a tutorial
[8:39] <UnaClocker> heh.. 20 mins, still a bit long.. ;) Gotta chop down to the meat.. ;)
[8:40] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Assming I can video edit at all :P
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[8:40] <UnaClocker> hehe.. iMovie.. ;)
[8:40] <ParkerR> heh Yotubes built in editor
[8:40] <ParkerR> *Youtube's
[8:44] <steve_rox> wish i knew how to update filetea on the pi , im still useing the alpha
[8:45] <steve_rox> i assume i have to compile it from their github but im clueless
[8:45] <UnaClocker> Ahh, got all the buttons on the sega controller working.. Gave up on my own code, used someone elses.. ;)
[8:45] <UnaClocker> Just have to adapt it to the teensy's USB keyboard control.
[8:47] <steve_rox> err okays
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[8:48] <steve_rox> think my pi has gone werid
[8:49] <steve_rox> i restored from a backup and my pi logo at boot was blue
[8:49] <UnaClocker> heh
[8:49] <steve_rox> might explain why the color in this flv is so funky
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[8:51] <|Jeroen|> Morning
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[8:52] <steve_rox> possibly
[8:52] <steve_rox> yup my desktop wallpaper color is screwy too
[8:53] <steve_rox> i rember haveing this when trying to install retro arch or something i cant rember
[8:54] <steve_rox> no idea how to fix that , may have to start over
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[9:04] <steve_rox> would run the sudo update cmd but the last time i did that the sd was corrupted
[9:05] <mukti> Anyone know how to set the time/timezone on arch for the rasppi?
[9:05] <ShiftPlusOne> the arch wiki does
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[9:19] <steve_rox> wonder what it means when theres like a red skull top right of xbmc
[9:20] <|Jeroen|> mhz
[9:20] <Twist-> Is there a good answer for the "no ARM dropbox client" problem yet?
[9:22] <steve_rox> yay red skull gone
[9:22] <steve_rox> apparently it was a red speaker
[9:22] <steve_rox> on a crt it looks skull
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[9:26] <|Jeroen|> lool
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[10:37] <_21h_> i trying to connect rtc ds1302 to raspberry and use linux driver for it
[10:37] <_21h_> i dont know what values put in driver
[10:38] <_21h_> look at this code http://paste.org.ru/?vjau1t
[10:39] <_21h_> rtc connected to: CLK - GPIO23, DAT - GPIO24, RST - GPIO25
[10:40] <_21h_> please, help me to put new values to linux driver
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[10:43] <dwatkins> _21h_: that looks different from the sourcecode on this page http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/raspberry-pi-real-time-clock
[10:44] <_21h_> this page not helps at all
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[10:44] <dddh> hi
[10:44] <dddh> I ordered rpi model b
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[10:45] <|Jeroen|> good
[10:45] <dddh> I guess I'll need arduino or something similar
[10:45] <dwatkins> I'm tempted to get another Model B now they have more RAM.
[10:45] <|Jeroen|> no you don't need anything
[10:46] <dwatkins> _21h_: perhaps if you could cite where your driver is from originally
[10:48] <_21h_> dwatkins: /linux-3.8-rc7/drivers/rtc/rtc-ds1302.c
[10:48] <_21h_> or i can put it fully at pastebin
[10:48] <dwatkins> _21h_: that's just the file on your system
[10:48] <dwatkins> where did the driver come from, _21h_?
[10:49] <mgottschlag> looks like an official linux tree to me
[10:49] <_21h_> linux kernel
[10:49] <dwatkins> ah ok
[10:50] <dwatkins> why do the values need to change?
[10:51] <mgottschlag> _21h_: this looks wrong
[10:51] <mgottschlag> the pi has two different registers for clearing and writing GPIO levels
[10:52] <mgottschlag> *clearing and setting
[10:52] <mgottschlag> e.g. "set_dp(get_dp() & ~(RTC_RESET | RTC_IODATA | RTC_SCLK));" would rather be a write of "RTC_RESET | RTC_IODATA | RTC_SCLK" to the clear register
[10:52] <dwatkins> http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/rtc/rtc-ds1302.c appears to be the original file
[10:52] <mgottschlag> while "set_dp(get_dp() | RTC_RESET);" would be a write of RTC_RESET to the set register
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[10:52] <mgottschlag> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=blob;f=drivers/rtc/rtc-ds1302.c;h=fdbcdb289d605d21e26f7bb0006db8bd7709bbf4;hb=HEAD :)
[10:54] <mgottschlag> _21h_: do you have the rpi peripheral documentation
[10:54] <mgottschlag> ?
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[10:56] <_21h_> mgottschlag: no
[10:57] <mgottschlag> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
[10:57] <mgottschlag> read the section about GPIO
[10:58] <mgottschlag> that should give you information about things like "how do I set pin 25 to HIGH?"
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[11:02] <_21h_> crap
[11:03] <_21h_> some adaptation and driver will work
[11:03] <_21h_> :)
[11:04] <Serano> would I be able to display 4 videos/pictures/... on a raspberry pi with tmux/byobu/screen solution?
[11:04] <Serano> simultaniously that is
[11:04] <Zhaofeng_Li> does tmux support rpi's gpu?
[11:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Does tmux use the gpu in any way that the console doesn't?
[11:07] <Serano> but would that be possible to split my screen in 4 pieces [+] and display stuff in those 4 squares with any of the above applications
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[11:09] <Zhaofeng_Li> Serano, yes, if tmux can be configured that way
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[11:19] <ShiftPlusOne> tmux is not special in any way when it comes to the gpu AFAIK. It doesn't need to use it directly and it doesn't need GPU acceleration.
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[11:21] <dwatkins> Isn't tmux entirely text-based, or can it support console graphics as well?
[11:23] <Xark> dwatkins: If you have an ANSI compatible terminal, you can probably play BBS games. :)
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[11:23] <dwatkins> Xark: indeed, but for displaying images, I would think tmux wouldn't do so well
[11:24] <dwatkins> there's an ASCII driver for mplayer, but it looks pretty awful
[11:24] <Serano> I did the basic split with screen xD
[11:24] <Serano> and that worked but don't find any way to make it a 4-piece with screen
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[11:24] <Xark> dwatkins: I agree, text based AFAIK.
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[11:25] <dwatkins> Serano: I don't believe you can display images nor video in GNU Screen except as ASCII.
[11:25] <dwatkins> If it's just images, how about a [refreshing] webpage?
[11:25] <Serano> that's also fine by me but i'm not using a gui. I'm trying to keep it as lightweight as possible
[11:26] <dwatkins> ah ok, perhaps you can use fbi, not sure: fbi - Linux frame buffer image viewer
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[11:27] <dwatkins> if the images aren't changing, or you can stitch them together into a single image, that might make it easier
[11:27] <Serano> ok i'll take a look at that dwatkins
[11:27] <Serano> thanks for the pointer
[11:27] <dwatkins> welcome :)
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[11:28] <dwatkins> I have a temperature sensor connected to my Pi and munin creates graphs, but I can view the results externally via web browser - I could use this to show the graph on the local console, in fact
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[11:35] <gordonDrogon> What Ho Pi Peeps!
[11:35] <aDro> :D
[11:35] <aDro> I discovered a very easy and free method to aquire more ram
[11:35] <dwatkins> hiya gordonDrogon
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> aDro, do tell...
[11:38] <aDro> You can apparently download it very easily.
[11:38] <aDro> downloadmoreram dot com
[11:38] <dwatkins> that site is highly amusing and silly
[11:38] <dwatkins> The angry looking ram at the top corner is my favourite part.
[11:39] <aDro> Makes it legit. It's got a logo
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[11:39] <aDro> I got a malicious url warning for twitter buttons dot com from that site
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[11:39] <dwatkins> The secret club I started when I was 12 years old had a logo, so clearly it was legit too ;)
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[11:40] <dwatkins> It has resulted in some useful passwords, however.
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[11:42] <dwatkins> bah, libcurl3-gnutls is a required package for fbi but fails to download on raspbian.
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[11:44] <gordonDrogon> fbi ?
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[11:49] <gordonDrogon> bread time!
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[11:54] <dddh> I wish I could make a quadrotor using RPi
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[12:05] <gordonDrogon> dddh, why? easier to make one out of an arduino.
[12:09] <dddh> gordonDrogon: maybe faster is buying parrot ar.drone
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[12:11] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: framebuffer image display application
[12:13] <_21h_> something wrong.. i trying to use GPIO23, 24 and 25
[12:13] <_21h_> after program run wifi lost connection
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> dddh, big issue with the Pi is lack of proper real-time control.
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> dwatkins, ah ok.
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, nothing special about those pine...
[12:16] <_21h_> gordonDrogon: im using your wiringPi to control pins
[12:16] <dddh> gordonDrogon: trying to imagine what raspberry pi should be used for
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[12:17] <_21h_> gordonDrogon: trying to connect ds1302 to my rpi
[12:17] <_21h_> it a realtime clock
[12:17] <jacekowski> hi people
[12:18] <jacekowski> i was just wondering, HDMI path on rpi is only one way, not reversible?
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, oddly enough I have one of those on my desk right now in a module with a battery..
[12:18] <_21h_> gordonDrogon: i connected this rtc to pins: int PinClk=16; int PinDat=18; int PinRst=22;
[12:19] <_21h_> its a GPIO23, 24 and 25. right?
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> yes. physical pins 16, 18 and 22 -> BCM_GPIOs 23, 24 and 25.
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> did you get a module or build it yourself?
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[12:21] <_21h_> gordonDrogon: module
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[12:22] <_21h_> gordonDrogon: http://paste.org.ru/?xojxkm
[12:23] <_21h_> gordonDrogon: src and console output
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[12:23] <_21h_> after " sending 8 bits..." wifi dies
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[12:25] <_21h_> gordonDrogon: heh. usb fully shutted down ))
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[12:25] <gordonDrogon> nothing untowarsd there.
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, however - there is no call to wiringPiSetupgpio ()
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> without that the program will crash.
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> I'm surprised it's not crashing at the very first pinMode() call.
[12:27] <_21h_> gordonDrogon: it placed in main(). i just hide it
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, ok - what setup are you using - wiringPiSetup() or wiringPiSetupGpio() ?
[12:27] <_21h_> wiringPiSetup()
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> ok. change that to wiringPiSetupGpio()
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[12:28] <gordonDrogon> You are using the native wiring Pi pin number with that - in this case they would be: 4, 5 and 6 respectively.
[12:28] <_21h_> ah. it working now. thanks :)
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> Maybe I should get mine going now..
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> :)
[12:30] <crenn> Hey gordonDrogon
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[12:31] <gordonDrogon> crenn, hullo.
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[12:34] <crenn> What's up?
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[12:35] <_21h_> gordonDrogon: heh. something wrong again :))) i changed pin numbers to 4, 5, 6 as you said and now usb turning off again :))
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[12:39] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, Yes. To use pins 4,5,6 you need to use wiringPiSetup() to use pins 23,24 & 25 you need to use wiringPiSetupGpio()
[12:39] <_21h_> aaaa, ok ))
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> you need to understand the relationship between the pin numbering and the 2 ways to initialise wiringPi.
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> read this: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> study the diagram.
[12:40] <_21h_> i see
[12:41] <treeherder> did you ever enable i2c on wiringpi?\
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> there is a set of "helper" function in wiringPi for I2C now.
[12:42] <treeherder> like wrappers
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> Nothing more than wrappers round what the standard kernel gives you, but they're functional.
[12:42] <treeherder> for snd/rc
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[12:42] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> see http://unicorn.drogon.net/q2w.c for an example
[12:42] <treeherder> is it done in userspace with iotcl and i2c.h
[12:42] <treeherder> linux/i2c.h
[12:43] <treeherder> oh
[12:43] <treeherder> k
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> i2c-dev.h
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> but you don't need that in your programs using it - just #include <wiringPiI2C.h>
[12:43] <treeherder> i am trying to incorporate some of the android sensor drivers into my raspian build
[12:43] <treeherder> it's been making me crazy
[12:44] <treeherder> almost done though i think
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> at the kernel level?
[12:44] <treeherder> yeah
[12:44] <treeherder> so it will have a "sensors" suite
[12:44] <treeherder> with a bunch of bult in device drivers
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> only if people use your kernel though.
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> and that's the big issue right now as I see it )-:
[12:44] <treeherder> well i will be using it
[12:44] <treeherder> lol
[12:44] <treeherder> lolol
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> sure :)
[12:44] <treeherder> and a few friends and colleagues
[12:45] <treeherder> see where it goes from there
[12:45] <treeherder> i'm not looking for linux fame
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> and I know that 'traditionally' kernel drivers are arguably the way to do it, however more and more people are connecting up more and more weird things to the Pi at the user-land level.
[12:45] <treeherder> the adk arduino crossover
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> so treating it like a microcontroller with a posh OS, really.
[12:45] <treeherder> has given rise to a huge library of linux / sensor combos
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> yes - not always for the better, however I can't see it changing for a while.
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> I regularly get requests to add code for sensor this, that and the other...
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[12:46] <treeherder> i've been mostly using my pi as a linux exploration
[12:46] <treeherder> and i'm rather happy with the experience
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> sadly I'm regularly getting requests from people incapable of making minor changes to my code too, which is dissapointing )-:
[12:47] <treeherder> i find that hooking sensors up is just easier (and thereby more fun) with my arduino
[12:47] <treeherder> so i often just hoolk my arduino to uart
[12:47] <treeherder> i'm working on a shield with 328p on it
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> you've no idea how many people find that hard )-:
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> thought there already was a Pi "shield" with a full arduino on it?
[12:48] <treeherder> i've been messing around with arduino for a year and some now
[12:48] <treeherder> so i feel pretty comfortable with it
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> I did this within a day of getting my Pi :) http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[12:48] <treeherder> just ordered up a bunch of blank 328ps for the first time
[12:49] <treeherder> mine is a very neat package now
[12:49] <treeherder> i got the low-profile adafruit proto shield
[12:49] <treeherder> and put some other little dips on it
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> have you programmed the fuses in a 328p yet?
[12:50] <treeherder> it works really nicely right now for mobile computing / location based experiments
[12:50] <treeherder> i have been struggling
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:50] <treeherder> to make a standalone
[12:50] <treeherder> 328p
[12:50] <treeherder> i got an attiny85 working
[12:50] <treeherder> easily
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> you need a programmer to do it properly - otherwise they default to 1MHz
[12:50] <treeherder> but i don
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> on the internal clock.
[12:50] <treeherder> t have a proper programmer
[12:50] <treeherder> exactly
[12:50] <treeherder> im ordering one this weekend
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> you can do it directly from the Pi.
[12:51] <treeherder> orly?
[12:51] <treeherder> how2
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> oyes.
[12:51] <treeherder> i can do 1mhz
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gertboard/
[12:51] <treeherder> i thought the ones i order default at 8mhz
[12:51] <treeherder> internal
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> ignore the gertboard part and power the Atmega at 3.3v
[12:51] <treeherder> i wonder if that's the issue i've been having
[12:51] <treeherder> ooh ok
[12:51] <treeherder> i have a bunch of level converters
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> it has an internal 8MHz clock and the divider defaults to 8 -> 1MHz clock.
[12:52] <treeherder> i cna use to power it at 5 v
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> at 3.3v the max. stable external clock is 12MHz
[12:52] <treeherder> ok i don't understand well enough but i'll do as you say since nothing else worked so far :3
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> however most seem to run at 16MHz OK at 3.3v
[12:52] <treeherder> should i use a resonator for that?
[12:53] <treeherder> do you have a mouser part rec.. for clock
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> your choice... personally I'd live with 8MHz if you can - then no clock and you gain 2 IO pins..
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> no, sorry.
[12:53] <treeherder> yeah
[12:53] <treeherder> ok so wait
[12:53] <treeherder> i can power at 3.3 v and get 8 mhz without a clock
[12:53] <treeherder> without a programmer?
[12:53] <treeherder> only with the pi?
[12:53] * treeherder is blown away
[12:54] <treeherder> or only using the pi will i be at 1 mhz
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> well you can go to 8MHz
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> but yes, you can use the Pi as programmer, and use it to set the fuses too.
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> you just need 4 wires to the GPIO connectors, power + 0v.
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> and my patched version of avrdude and setup scripts.
[12:56] * treeherder starts tinkering
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> just follow through the stuff on gertboard on my site - the gertboard has an ATmega328p at 12MHz.
[12:56] <treeherder> so i want to install wiringpi then
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> read the manual to get the right fuse values though.
[12:56] <treeherder> ?
[12:56] <treeherder> or can i just grab
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> actually no - that version of avrdude doesn't use it - it uses the /sys/class method.
[12:57] <treeherder> avrdude
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> so it's slow, but it works.
[12:57] <treeherder> k actually better for my purposes
[12:57] <treeherder> ty
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[12:57] <treeherder> by "read the manual" you mean? the 328p datasheet?
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[12:57] <treeherder> k
[12:58] <treeherder> thank you very much
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> right. the smell of fresh bread is killing me. time for a coffee and some bread...
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> my first bread for 6 weeks...
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[13:00] <dwatkins> sounds like you've been on the same diet as me, gordonDrogon
[13:00] <dwatkins> [keto]
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[13:07] * Viper-7 is gluten intolerant
[13:07] <Viper-7> havent had bread in about 4 years
[13:07] <Viper-7> god i miss hamburgers and hotdogs
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> dwatkins, highly likely.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, there are plenty of gluten free breads now.
[13:09] <regen> doesnt taste to good though:(
[13:09] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: yeah, but you dont find them at mcdonalds
[13:09] <Viper-7> and yeah, unless you find an actual gluten free bakery, they`re crap
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> don't go to McD's then!
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[13:10] <regen> ate some glutenfree gingerbread a while ago, tasted like paper=/
[13:10] <regen> or wood
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> I am an advocate of home cooking - and I'm happy to go to a real butchers for my meat too.
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> In my life I have visited a McD's twice. once was over 30 years ago when I had a burger just to see what the fuss was about and once was a couple of years ago when I had a coffee - which wan't too bad.
[13:11] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: i was a real butcher for a while
[13:11] <Viper-7> i wont touch supermarket meat heh
[13:11] <Viper-7> nor frankfurts :P
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, ah, so you know what I'm getting at then :)
[13:12] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: gluten intolerance means you need to watch that stuff too anyway, supermarkets throw breadcrumbs in *EVERYTHING*
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> I'm fortunate to live in an area where farm shops abound...
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[13:12] <gordonDrogon> and organics too.
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, I know )-:
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[13:13] <Viper-7> ive got some really nice biscuits now
[13:13] <Viper-7> freedom foods
[13:13] <Viper-7> brownies and such
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> My MiL is gluten intolerant too - so I'm experimenting with making scones for her...
[13:13] <Viper-7> its wierd knowing theyre based on potato, rice & corn
[13:13] <Viper-7> but hey, they taste good :D
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, indeed! I have some doves farm gluten free flour and it's all those...
[13:14] <Viper-7> ive found the flours that use potato tend to be much better
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> I'll find out how well it makes scones in a few days.
[13:14] <Viper-7> let me know :)
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> well that was nice. home made bread and butter :) One small loaf to last me the whole week until I make another next weekend.
[13:15] <Viper-7> thats been the other tough part - gluten free on a budget sucks
[13:16] <Viper-7> rice works well, but you can only eat so much heh
[13:16] <Viper-7> i miss being able to grab 10 packs of 2 minute noodles for $1
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[13:17] <Viper-7> forcing me to eat real meals isnt a terribly bad thing tho :P
[13:20] <Viper-7> now to finish my bench power supply build
[13:20] <Viper-7> ATX PSU ftw :)
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> isn't there "pot rice" now?
[13:22] <Viper-7> ?
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> however i'd not personally touch that ...
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[13:23] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_Rice
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[13:24] <Viper-7> `discontinued in the early 2000s`
[13:24] <Viper-7> and yeah nah, sounds nasty
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[13:25] <Viper-7> although ive enjoyed worse - those instant cup of cheese & bacon mash potato things :P
[13:25] <Viper-7> and wow that was a bad move
[13:25] <Viper-7> google image for cheese & bacon potato
[13:25] <Viper-7> now im hungry.
[13:25] <Macer> the flopping in soccer/football cracks me up
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[13:28] <treeherder> lol k gordonDrogon at the part wher eit wants me to hook it up to the "isp" on the gerboard
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[13:29] <treeherder> i just hook it up to pins 11-13 on the 328?
[13:29] <treeherder> and reset
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[13:31] <gordonDrogon> I think so - I'd need to check the actual pins, but it's probably right.
[13:31] <treeherder> k i was just asking the general idea
[13:31] <treeherder> i an work out specifics
[13:31] <treeherder> cool thank you
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[13:47] <treeherder> gordonDrogon: i don't think it recognizes the 328p i got might i have to edit avrdude.conf
[13:47] <treeherder> ?
[13:47] <_21h_> gordonDrogon: please, help me understand why i see seg fault http://paste.org.ru/?1ttwh8
[13:47] <_21h_> i trying to read and write ds1302
[13:48] <dangerousdave> anyone know how to set control for minecraft pi eddition?
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, I forget - would need to look it up.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, where does it segfault?
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, howevre regardless, I'd suggest not naming your own function read() - call it something else - read() is a fairly important system call.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, compile with -Wall too.
[13:50] <jacekowski> as long as it's in different namespace it's ok
[13:51] <jacekowski> nevermind
[13:51] <jacekowski> i've just had a look at that paste
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[13:54] <gordonDrogon> the tobin() function is missing and the declaration of char t[8] = "" ; is somewhat suspicious.
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[13:56] <Osile> Hey
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[13:57] <_21h_> gordonDrogon: segfault vanished, but ds1302 not reads. do you have sample code for 1302?
[13:57] <_21h_> im using shiftout and shiftin to read and write ds1302
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[13:59] <Osile> have anyone a idea how to change my keyboard layout ?
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, no - while I have one on my desk, I've not written code for it.
[14:00] <regen> raspberry-config, right?
[14:00] * gordonDrogon ponders... How bored am I this afternoon..
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[14:01] <Osile> regen : i tried it many times but it doesn't work with raspi-config
[14:01] <regen> im sitting with a swedish keyboard and thats works great, no idea then:(
[14:02] <regen> i can write my precious ??, ??, ??
[14:02] <Osile> mh k thanks
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[14:04] <gordonDrogon> ok. I have connected my ds1302 up to a Pi - bear with me.
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[14:10] <Macer> methinks efnet got hax0red again
[14:11] <Joeboy> ?
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[14:12] <steve_rox> oh i was wondering what everyone use their pi's for
[14:13] <steve_rox> i guess thats it
[14:14] <regen> use? you can use them for something to?:P
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[14:15] <steve_rox> well he said he thinks efnet got haxed
[14:15] <steve_rox> damn im sleepy
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[14:21] <regen> anyone tried to use gdb to debug your sdl apps? Anyone not having to restart your pi by pulling the power after that?
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[14:23] <treeherder> hmph
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[14:23] <treeherder> doesn't seem to work as simply as it wants to
[14:23] <ryanteck> Hello
[14:24] <regen> make me unsure if a want to use sdl at all=/
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[14:39] <dwatkins> steve_rox: mine is currently logging the temperatunre in my lounge to munin
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[14:56] <ryanteck> Anyone here got a cool Raspberry Pi project? Need a few for my site I'm launching next week.
[14:56] <regen> my long term goal is to put a camera on and use it for star-finding!:)
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[14:57] <regen> /planet/UFO-findings as well:)
[14:58] <double-you> regen: what camera? my webcam was able to see the moon, but not more :-)
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[14:59] <regen> the plans are vert undefined right now, im still doing the really basic things. But hopefully theres a webcam that cen see the monn AND the planets?
[14:59] <regen> need to make it waterproff and put it out in some dark forest though
[15:00] <regen> or maybe fields are preferd:)
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[15:03] <double-you> no idea
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[15:07] <regen> also, me and a colluege have a compition, first one to get the raspberry around our office build by itself wins.
[15:07] <regen> remote control or autonomous
[15:08] <regen> office building*
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[15:14] <ewanmd> can't get a silicon labs cp210x usb-serial convertor working, shows up in dmesg though, any ideas?
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[15:17] <wh1p> hello :)
[15:18] <wh1p> anyone know where i can get my hands on the "strippedpi" script for removing all unnecessary bloat from raspian
[15:18] <wh1p> ?
[15:18] <wh1p> please :)
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[15:20] <ewanmd> wh1p, may be of no use but think adafruit do a modified version with more io access and much smaller image.
[15:21] <wh1p> anyone on here aware of a good script that is only available for removing all the bloat from raspian?
[15:21] <wh1p> *openly (not only) xD
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[15:32] <jacekowski> wh1p: do it yourself
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[15:33] <wh1p> my problem is that i am not sure which packages to remove :/
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[15:34] <wh1p> sa far my pi is idling at 100mb ram usage with apache, php, mysql and an ssh connection
[15:34] <wh1p> seems alot of ram usage when the web server isn't doing anything
[15:35] <jacekowski> where did you get that number
[15:35] <jacekowski> and 100MB is quite decent memory usage
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[15:36] <wh1p> from here: http://www.arctechsystems.co.uk/raspi.php
[15:37] <jacekowski> you can optimise mysql and apache to use less memory
[15:37] <jacekowski> but 111MB used by those is a quite low usage
[15:37] <wh1p> i was thinking about moving over to nginx or lighttpd
[15:38] <jacekowski> it won't help that much
[15:38] <wh1p> i am just trying to find ways to optimize my pi as much as possible though
[15:38] <jacekowski> it'll be easier to cut down apache to use less
[15:39] <jacekowski> bear in mind that by reducing memory usage you will increase cpu load probably
[15:39] <wh1p> i will probably end up moving over to nginx soon anyway as i have always know apache is full of bloat
[15:39] <jacekowski> nginx can't do 10% of things apache can
[15:39] <jacekowski> and besides, most of those can be disabled
[15:40] <megaproxy> nginx can do everthing you would need apache to do
[15:40] <megaproxy> for a basic page.
[15:40] <jacekowski> apache in my case is using 30MB
[15:40] <jacekowski> mysql, 1G
[15:40] <wh1p> what are you doing with sql that uses 1gb ram?
[15:40] <jacekowski> on top of that various fcgi processes
[15:41] <jacekowski> caching
[15:41] <wh1p> oh ok
[15:41] <jacekowski> as in, mysql is set to cache a lot
[15:41] <jacekowski> otherwise HDD would have problem
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[16:00] <kelm> hi
[16:01] <kelm> anybody know what is the maximum supported level for x264 on the rpi?
[16:01] <kelm> i encode many video in x264 and after some google search i found nothing about that
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[16:02] <kelm> level 4.0 its ok but what is the max supported?
[16:02] <bennypr0fane> Hello, does anyone have problems with the rasPi not booting reliably when plugged in? I wonder if someone has tried making an on/off button for it or sth. The problem is when it's plugged in, but not booting, you have to unplug it while and that's supposed to damage the SDcard data - I suspect that has happened to me too...
[16:02] <megaproxy> could be dodgy power supply
[16:03] <bennypr0fane> kelm h.264 or x264? never heard about x264 before actually
[16:03] <bennypr0fane> megaproxy dodgy meaning what exactly?
[16:03] <megaproxy> meaning not working?
[16:03] <jacekowski> bennypr0fane: it's not damaging data
[16:03] <kelm> bennypr0fane: its the same (just the free lib encoder)
[16:03] <jacekowski> bennypr0fane: unless something is being written at the same time
[16:03] <jacekowski> bennypr0fane: is it overclocked?
[16:04] <bennypr0fane> jacekowski yes, 800MHz
[16:04] <jacekowski> try stock clocks
[16:04] <jacekowski> and see if you still have the same problem
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, just FYI - been slightly diverted, but I can now read the clock - some of the time - I'm seeing glitches, so probably some timing issues...
[16:04] <kelm> bennypr0fane: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Levels
[16:05] <bennypr0fane> my power supply is 1,2A, ordered from RScomponents together with the rpi. anyone have the same?
[16:05] <kelm> bennypr0fane: i search the max supported by raspberry pi hardware , you have an idea?
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[16:06] <_21h_> gordonDrogon: can you share your code?
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[16:07] <kelm> bennypr0fane: try with a good usb hub maybe you dont have enough amp your power supply could be dead
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[16:08] <bennypr0fane> basically I want to run XBMC on it, and have been having one or the other kind of issue with everything I tried so far. On Raspbian, xbmc just won't install, I also tried xbian and raspbmc
[16:08] <chod> they do 'just work'
[16:09] <bennypr0fane> kelm sorry, I don't know about video encoding. Is level 4.0 not good enough for you? looks pretty decent in numbers...
[16:10] <jacekowski> bennypr0fane: try running it at stock clocks first
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[16:11] <kelm> bennypr0fane: yeah its good but if i can use more its better for other device
[16:11] <kelm> bennypr0fane: thx
[16:12] <bennypr0fane> If my power supply was actually dead, it'd always fail to boot, but it only fails sometimes. when it fails to boot, I do see the little red indicator on the board turned on, but the screen is black. will try stock clocks. Amp being too low should not be the case with this psu, as 1,2A is already the max. recommended for the rpi
[16:12] <bennypr0fane> will try stock clocks now
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[16:13] <bennypr0fane> what kind of power supplies do you guys use? anyone below 0,7A?
[16:13] <kelm> and if you clone your card in an other one (with dd per exemple) do you have the same prb?
[16:14] <chod> 1A 5V phone charger here
[16:14] <kelm> maybe your memory chip are drunk and a new one fix your prb
[16:15] <bennypr0fane> kelm yes, same problem with different SDcards, if that's what you mean. Also different OSs though
[16:15] <kelm> arg :-(
[16:15] <bennypr0fane> chod wow, which phone comes with 1A charger? The juiciest one I've came across was 0,55 I think
[16:16] <chod> htc
[16:16] <bennypr0fane> big new one with Android?
[16:16] <chod> (sensation)
[16:16] <chod> yup
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[16:18] <bennypr0fane> I bought 3 SDcards to experiment with several OSs, but buy now I've tried an number of them so I can't remember which OS is on which card anymore. Anyone have the same problem? One day already all the exchangeable media like flash drives and SDcard should come with a lil display on them that you can label
[16:19] <jacekowski> i've got a marker pen for that
[16:20] <jacekowski> all phones come with 1A+ charger
[16:20] <jacekowski> old nokia chargers used to be 1.6A
[16:20] <bennypr0fane> jacekowski yeah, and when you put a different OS on that card? you just slap label over sticky label on it?
[16:21] <chod> i label them
[16:21] <chod> xbmc,riscos,raspbian,wabdav
[16:22] <bennypr0fane> no they don't. My 2 Nokia chargers are 0,35 and 0,5A
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, I'll publish it once I'm happy it's working - it's not working right now.
[16:22] <jacekowski> eeee?
[16:22] <jacekowski> really?
[16:22] <bennypr0fane> I'd have three layers of labels on each card by now
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[16:23] <jacekowski> standard ac-5x is 800mA
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[16:24] <bennypr0fane> chod you tried Riscos? I read the description, sounds neat! what you use it for?
[16:24] <chod> been running riscos for years
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[16:24] <bennypr0fane> on which devices, before the Pi?
[16:25] <chod> A3000,A5000,Riscpc
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[16:25] <chod> riscos os a deskop
[16:25] <chod> doh
[16:26] <chod> riscos is a desktop
[16:26] <chod> it lacks servers
[16:26] <chod> it has a few
[16:26] <chod> but very light and fast or slow hardware
[16:26] <chod> on.
[16:27] <chod> too many keyboards here typos etc.
[16:27] <chod> need synergy for raspbian
[16:27] <chod> or some other ingenous solution
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[16:28] <hyppias> trying to install weezy and apache with perl. But .img misses libperl5.14
[16:28] <chod> been messing with GPIO on riscos
[16:29] <bennypr0fane> chod I thought I had an elegant solution for that, with just one screen and just one keybd and mouse, switching between the Rpi and my desktop PC
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[16:29] <chod> got more screens and an odd mix of machines
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[16:31] <bennypr0fane> I have a wireless keybd and mouse both received by the same little USB dongle. 2 machines attached to the vga and dvi ports of the screen. So to switch, I need to switch the screen signal from vga to dvi, and plig the usb into into the other PC
[16:33] <bennypr0fane> which seems an acceptable amount of effort for the benefit of not needing to clutter my desk with 2screens, keybd and mice.
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[16:34] <bennypr0fane> It doesn't work though because the raspberry never likes my wireless keybd/mosue dongle, I get weird random typos like 4 characters for 1 keystroke
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[16:38] <vis> is it normal to get about 6 megabit ethernet speeds on the pi, and if so can I increase it by overclocking? I tried to overclock yesterday and corrupted my SD card :/
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[16:39] <Eliatrope> how are those sockets/connectors with a lock for flex cable called, like the camera socket on Raspberry Pi?
[16:39] <Eliatrope> can they be purchased in normal shops?
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[16:42] <chod> bennypr0fane: riscos can also be upset by odd keyboard/mouse
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[16:43] <vis> oops. connection tripped out after I fiddled with the router. Is 6meg connection expected?
[16:43] <vis> I'm talking about local network speeds with gigabit cabling
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[16:57] <mjr> you should get rather higher (though are you sure you don't mean you're getting 6 mega_bytes_ per sec?
[16:57] <mjr> but no gigabit here, it's a 100M interface
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[16:59] <nid0> vis: you can get pretty close to 100mbit through a pi, though obv practical speeds depend on what data you're transferring and what you're doing to it at each end
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[17:10] <applegekko> hey guys when yo usudo halt, is the pi ment to start back up?
[17:10] <mjr> no
[17:11] <mjr> that would be sudo reboot
[17:11] <applegekko> i do sudo halt, it turns of and comes back on
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[17:12] <applegekko> is there like a switch on the pi or something i i have to press?
[17:13] <mjr> apparently my powered usb hub is 1) good enough to not backfeed power (yay...) 2) apparently poo enough to not communicate with the host that it's indeed powered (resulting in complaints about not being able to go over 100mA when trying to initialize an old wifi stick)
[17:16] <mjr> there's no switch
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[17:17] <mjr> properly halting the pi is a bit useless anyway as it'll remain mostly powered on as I understand it
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[17:17] <mjr> unless you're going to cut the power input right after the halt, of course
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[17:18] <applegekko> i saw a youtube video a few days ago, the chap did a sudo halt, it shold down, and only the red light lite up and nothng else happend
[17:18] <applegekko> this is the case for me, but instead of doing nothing all the lights come on and starts the boot process again
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[17:19] <regen> hi! I have edited my /etc/sudoers file in some bad way and now sudo is broken=/ I tried to hold shift while restarting to get into recoverymode but nothing happend. What to do?
[17:20] <Amadiro> regen, pop the SD-card into your computer and fix the sudoers file
[17:20] <applegekko> login as root and edit the file
[17:20] <regen> ahaaaa
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[17:21] <regen> Im not very good at linux, i have been runing as the default pi user now for a while. how do i even login as root?
[17:21] <regen> is it this sudo -i ?
[17:21] <nid0> unless you've setup the root user, you dont
[17:21] <Amadiro> regen, at the login prompt, you can type "root"
[17:22] <Amadiro> but if you haven't set a password for root, you can't log in as root that way
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[17:22] <regen> can i do that in raspi-config?
[17:22] <Amadiro> I don't think so
[17:22] <chod> here a sudo shutdown -h now takes it down to the red light only and halts
[17:22] <madmarx> sudo su should work from you user prompt
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[17:23] <regen> everytime i start something with sudo it nags about me editing the sudoers file wrong:(
[17:23] <Amadiro> chod, that's pretty much all you can get. You have to pull the power plug if you want to make everything completely powerless.
[17:23] * chod understood
[17:24] <chod> on riscos it wont go off.
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[17:24] <regen> popping the sd cart it is then, thanks!
[17:24] <tdy> try --poweroff
[17:24] <tdy> or `man shutdown' to see the options for whatever is on riscos shutdown
[17:24] <chod> riscos is not like that
[17:25] <Amadiro> does riscos even have a command line?
[17:25] <chod> yes
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[17:43] <andoma> i've got some dispman elements that does not cover the full screen, thus the normal framebuffer console is still visible. What's the best way to get rid of that?
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[18:21] <cdan> good evening
[18:22] <schnuws> hiho
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[18:23] <cdan> anybody using an A13-OLINUXINO ? I am interested on how does it compare to RaspberryPi.
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[18:35] <schnuws> its more expensive...
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[18:41] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, The good news is that I can now read the clock without any glitches. it's a bit of a funny one, but using my existing shiftIn/Out code won't work that well with it..
[18:41] <_21h_> gordonDrogon: i wrote my own send\recv funcs, but no luck
[18:42] <_21h_> gordonDrogon: show me your code
[18:43] <_21h_> i think something wrong with delays
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[18:46] <Hodapp> whoa. someone else actually tried to build my Raspberry Pi project to control ShiftBrites!
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, have a look at this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/ds1302.c
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, get it, compile it with cc -Wall -o ds1302 ds1302.c -lwiringPi
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, however, do check the pins in hte setup - I'm using different ones to you.
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> I'll turn this into a proper wiringPi library shortly.
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> or I might just leave it as a stand-alone program..
[18:48] <Hodapp> maybe I'll switch the project to use wiringPi so I can harass gordonDrogon with bug reports that are my fault
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> er ...
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> bug reports in wiringPi are welcome...
[18:48] <Hodapp> I am a bug magnet.
[18:49] <_21h_> gordonDrogon: thanks
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[18:53] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, if you run that it should dump a memory test of the RAM then read the RTB registers.
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> er, RTC register.
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, what's the project?
[18:54] <Hodapp> https://github.com/Hive13/RPi-Shiftbrite
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[18:56] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, got a link to a data sheet on those?
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/shiftbrite-p-827.html <- these?
[18:58] <Hodapp> look up Allegro A6281
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[19:00] * gordonDrogon nods.
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> pretty straightforwards. you should have trouble with those.
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> it's fairly standard SPI.
[19:01] <Hodapp> yeah, except I've done it, and it's not.
[19:01] <Hodapp> can't use spidev.
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> why not?
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> at least looking at the data sheet, I can't see why not ..
[19:02] <Hodapp> you need a separate latch line you have to be able to control alongside the data lines.
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> that's the CE line.
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[19:03] <gordonDrogon> when you write to the SPI, CE goes low, then the clock wiggles and data is clocked out, then the CE gies high - at that point the chip latches the data to the LED driver.
[19:03] <Hodapp> and I get only indirect control over CE.
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> you don't want/need to control it - the spidev driver does it for you.
[19:04] <cdan> I am looking for a good, 4.3'' - 7'' LCD + touch solution for RPI. Any advice ?
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[19:05] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, how many LEDs do you have?
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> cdan: plug in either a nexus 4 or 7
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[19:06] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: I looked at it on a scope. spidev was most definitely not doing the needed pattern.
[19:06] <cdan> SpeedEvil, then what's the need for a RaspberryPi ?
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> :-)
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[19:10] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: spidev in Linux sets CE0 and CE1 based on whether I write to /dev/spidev0.0 and /dev/spidev0.1.
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, ok. So I guess it's working ok with MMC's bit-banged driver then?
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, yes, that's right.
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> they're normally high when a device is opened.
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> they go low when you start a write, stay low while the write is clocked out (N bytes) then go high again.
[19:11] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: so when I need to drive the latch low before the next clock pulse, I don't really have a way to do that.
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, from my reading on the data sheed, you need to keep it high for each 32-bit write sequence per LED. So if you have 10 LEDs then it stays low for 10 * 32 bits = 40 bytes.
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> er, low.
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[19:12] <gordonDrogon> and that's what will happen if you do a 40 byte write.
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> I currently have a device I'm doing a 80KB write to in a single operation and it's working perfectly.
[19:13] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: Is that device a ShiftBrite?
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> no, but it is a bunch of LEDs.
[19:15] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: I examined it on a scope. I wasn't bringing the latch low before the clock pulse.
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> so if you write (fd, buf, 4); where buf is 4 bytes repretesnting the 3 x 10-bit values it ought to do it to the first LED in the chain.
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[19:24] <ParkerR> Not too bad for a floppy drive camera http://i2.minus.com/isNDJgZNQ0xcS.JPG
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[19:30] <gordonDrogon> floppy drive camera?
[19:30] <mjr> not bad indeed
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[19:31] <mjr> presumably one of those funky old-time digital cameras that use floppy disks as storage
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, Did you actually try it with the spidev driver?
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[19:45] <ikonia> I've got the revision B pi, I'm considering making it a retro emmulator box, eg: mame, zsnes, etc. I'm curious if other users have used it for emmulator style functions ?
[19:45] <|Jeroen|> yes there is a thing for it
[19:46] <|Jeroen|> retropi i think
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[19:54] <ParkerR> mjr, Indeed. Sony Mavica MVC-FD87
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[20:41] <hyppias> I am trying to install apache2 with perl module, but aptitude keeps saying it cannot find libperl5.14_5.14.2-16+rpil_armhf.deb. what is going on here in raspian?
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[20:50] <frikinz> hyppias: you ran an aptitude update first? the package is indeed present and even has a newer version
[20:50] <rikkib> hyppias, apt-get update
[20:50] <frikinz> -17
[20:52] <ParkerR> frikinz, -17?
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[20:52] <frikinz> -17+rpi1_armhf
[20:52] <frikinz> ParkerR: for hyppias
[20:53] <hyppias> ok . itry
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[20:53] <pa1983> any one managed to compile omxplayer recently?
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[20:55] <ParkerR> Oh
[20:55] <ParkerR> frikinz, I thought you were decrementing rikkib for using apt-get :P
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[20:56] <ikonia> I'm currently reading the http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5851 hdmi setup guide
[20:57] <ikonia> I'm trying to get / set my TV to a sane 720p mode.
[20:57] <ikonia> as I understand it from reading, I've set the hdmi_mode=4 in the /boot/config.txt
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[20:57] <ikonia> (I may have that setting wrong)
[20:58] <ikonia> but either that is wrong, or the EDID info my TV is offering is garbage
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[20:58] <martk100> When I exit xbmc I have to press ctrl-alt-F7 followed by alt-right to get back to my desktop. As I plan to eventually run without mouse or kb (touchscreen only). Can I add the keystrokes to a script. If so which one.
[20:58] <ikonia> as it's no-where near a 720p display resolution
[20:59] <ParkerR> ikonia, on the Pi run tvservice -d edid.dat then edidparser edid.dat
[20:59] <ParkerR> It will tell you the best mode reported by the TV
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[20:59] <ikonia> ParkerR: ahh edidparser, I was missing that earlier
[21:00] <ikonia> I'd dumped but couldn't read, thank you
[21:00] <ParkerR> Or for a quicker print out " edidparser edid.dat | grep best "
[21:00] <ikonia> ok, so it lists the perferfed format as 1280.x720p
[21:00] <ikonia> at 50hz
[21:00] <ParkerR> ikonia, Paste the line
[21:00] <ikonia> which seems reasonable
[21:01] <ParkerR> It mentions the mode and number in that line
[21:01] <ParkerR> Either CEA or DMT
[21:01] <ParkerR> And a number
[21:02] <ikonia> DMI:EDID found CEA format: code 4, 1280x720p @ 60Hz (native)
[21:02] <ikonia> that would be a a good resolution,
[21:02] <ParkerR> ikonia, Thats what you were using hdmi_mode=4 720p 60Hz
[21:02] <ikonia> code 4 suggests hdmi_mode 4 as I understand it
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[21:03] <ikonia> ParkerR: so if I set it to mode 4 it should go to that resolution ?
[21:03] <ParkerR> "<ikonia> as I understand it from reading, I've set the hdmi_mode=4 in the /boot/config.txt"
[21:03] <ParkerR> You said 4 didnt work
[21:03] <ikonia> ParkerR: correct
[21:03] <ikonia> it doesn't appear to, the monitor display is huge
[21:03] <ikonia> it certainly doesn't look like a 720p display
[21:04] <ikonia> xdpyinfo suggests otherwise
[21:04] <ikonia> screen #0: dimensions: 1600x900 pixels (423x238 millimeters)
[21:04] <ikonia> resolution: 96x96 dots per inch
[21:04] <ParkerR> ikonia, Wait do you have hdmi_group set anywhere in config.txt?
[21:04] <ikonia> ParkerR: yes, 2
[21:04] <ParkerR> ikonia, Thats why
[21:04] <ikonia> ahhh
[21:04] <ParkerR> Set that to 1
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[21:04] <ikonia> ok, so I've missunderstood that parameters use then
[21:05] <ParkerR> ikonia, That was set to DMT mode 4 then hdmi_mode=4 640x480 60Hz
[21:05] <ParkerR> So hdmi_group=2 and hdmi_mode=4
[21:05] <ParkerR> Should do it
[21:05] <ParkerR> 1
[21:05] <ParkerR> Gaah
[21:05] <ParkerR> hdmi_group=1
[21:05] <ikonia> ParkerR: I'll try that
[21:05] <ikonia> thank you
[21:05] <ParkerR> I cant think today
[21:05] <ikonia> I wasn't %100 clear on the hdmi_group function.
[21:08] <ikonia> ParkerR: that looks much better, just need to sort out the little top/bottom boarders
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[21:09] <ParkerR> :)
[21:10] <ParkerR> ikonia, You can disable overscan to make it fit the screen
[21:10] <ParkerR> disable_overscan=1
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[21:16] <regen> Anyone know why i need to run my sdl app as sudo, otherwise i get a segmentation fault?
[21:16] <regen> one user can run it without sudo though=/
[21:17] <scummos> well probably you call fopen() or something somewhere
[21:17] <scummos> and don't check the result
[21:17] <scummos> and if access is denied it returns 0 and your app crashes
[21:18] <scummos> run it through gdb and see what happens!
[21:18] <regen> cant do that
[21:18] <regen> gdb dont like sdl=/
[21:18] <scummos> that's because... what?
[21:18] <scummos> what
[21:18] <regen> it crashed, totally
[21:18] <scummos> gdb crashed?
[21:18] <regen> need to unplug my rpi
[21:18] <regen> yeah
[21:18] <scummos> ._.
[21:18] <scummos> gdb gdb
[21:18] <regen> apperently im not the first one=/
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[21:20] <regen> i dont know what to do more then compile with -g and then start gdb and run my app?
[21:21] <scummos> what exactly happens, can you describe in more detail?
[21:21] <scummos> e.g what do you do and what happens at which point in time
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[21:23] <regen> hmm, its a simple program with a few rectangles flying around. as soon as i start it I get a segmentation fault, and if i run it in gdb it crashed (pitch black screen, no response)
[21:23] <scummos> so you open the binary it in gdb, type "run" and it crashes immediately
[21:23] <regen> but this last seg error happend after I moved the project folder to another user and chowned it
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[21:24] <regen> yeah
[21:24] <regen> gdb ./Flyingcubes
[21:24] <regen> run
[21:24] <scummos> are you doing this on the pi?
[21:24] <regen> yeah
[21:24] <regen> whezzy
[21:25] <scummos> did you try doing the same on your desktop computer, on x86?
[21:25] <regen> ....i don thave any:P
[21:25] <regen> but i tried one thing
[21:25] <scummos> oh you do everything on the pi? ok :D
[21:25] <regen> I used git to get the same version to another user
[21:25] <regen> worked perfect:S
[21:26] <regen> without sudo
[21:26] <scummos> is the program public
[21:26] <scummos> ?
[21:26] <regen> yeah, user Reicher
[21:26] <regen> "FlyingCubes"
[21:26] <scummos> can you give me a link, I'll gdb it on x86
[21:27] <regen> https:/github.com/Reicher/FlyingCubes.git
[21:27] <regen> ops, missed a / in the begining
[21:27] <regen> thanks a LOT btw!
[21:28] <regen> should be noted that i run it without any arguments now, so now gpio etc.
[21:28] <scummos> nice binary in the git repo :D
[21:28] <regen> shit:P
[21:29] <regen> i thought a took all those away:P
[21:29] <regen> im new to github:)
[21:29] <scummos> also Makefile should have a capital letter ;)
[21:29] <scummos> hm, program runs in gdb for me
[21:29] <scummos> as well as without gdb
[21:29] <scummos> let's ask valgrind
[21:30] <regen> doesnt makefiles work either way?
[21:30] <scummos> yes, but...
[21:30] <scummos> you could also name your files main.CpP
[21:30] <scummos> ;)
[21:30] <regen> hmm, tradition then i guess:P
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[21:31] <scummos> yeah, exactly.
[21:31] <scummos> hmm, looks totally harmless to me :(
[21:31] <scummos> I can't see a fault
[21:31] <scummos> runs in gdb, no errors in valgrind
[21:31] <regen> hmm, to bad:(
[21:31] <regen> must be something with premissions on my pi then=/
[21:32] <scummos> try stracing it
[21:32] <regen> what why how?
[21:32] <doomy> runs well at home too
[21:32] <regen> dammit=/
[21:33] <regen> but thanks for checking!
[21:34] <scummos> regen: strace -f ./FlyingCubes 2>&1 |grep 'open'
[21:34] <scummos> look if there's any failed calls or so
[21:34] <scummos> maybe also grep for something else
[21:34] <regen> oki, will try
[21:36] <regen> well... im not sure what to make of the output
[21:37] <scummos> it prints all the syscalls made by your program
[21:37] <scummos> i.e. it tells you whenever your program interacts with the operating system
[21:37] <regen> so i guess i should check for the last one?
[21:37] <regen> where it failed?
[21:38] <scummos> I'm sorry, since I have no idea what the problem might be I can't really tell you
[21:38] <scummos> I can just give you the tip to look through it and watch for things that look wrong
[21:38] <scummos> if you're unlucky, nothing will look wrong
[21:38] <regen> oki, thanks again, will look it trough
[21:38] <scummos> especially, look for "permission denied" or similar erros
[21:38] <regen> if im unlucky, it will, and i will miss it:P
[21:38] <scummos> or that ;)
[21:39] <scummos> you can also omit the grep stuff, and paste everything, and I'll take a look at it
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[21:40] <regen> hmm there's 3 that i saw, 2 about the mouse?:S and one about tty0?
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[21:40] <scummos> permission denied?
[21:40] <scummos> can you paste them?
[21:41] <scummos> also make sure to compare whether they're present too for the user where the program works / doesn't work
[21:41] <regen> to be honest, i dont even know how to cut outside emacs
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[21:42] <scummos> xD
[21:42] <scummos> depends on where you are
[21:42] <regen> terminal
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[21:42] <regen> i have no mouse=/
[21:42] <scummos> oh, that's difficult then ;p
[21:42] <frikinz> you can also use pastebinit command line tool to paste output directly
[21:43] <regen> hmm, how does pastebinit work?
[21:43] <KiltedPi> what would happen...
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[21:43] <KiltedPi> If I stuck the HDMI output from my Rpi
[21:43] <frikinz> strace -f ./FlyingCubes 2>&1 | pastebinit -
[21:43] <ParkerR> regen, cat somefile | pastebinit
[21:44] <KiltedPi> Into my laptop?
[21:44] <BlackFate> hey! anyone else got problem with mjpg streamer... after a few minutes... mjpg freezes
[21:44] <scummos> KiltedPi: I'd say "NOTHING"
[21:44] <KiltedPi> Nowt?
[21:44] <KiltedPi> ;)
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[21:46] <regen> ok, tried pastebinit now
[21:46] <regen> now what:P where did it go?:P
[21:47] <scummos> it should output a link
[21:48] <regen> https://paste.debian.net ?
[21:49] <regen> gah, it's a pain not to be able to copy/paste=/
[21:49] <scummos> do you really not have a mousE?
[21:49] <scummos> I mean... a mouse
[21:49] <scummos> everyone has a mouse
[21:49] <regen> well, i do but im in the sofa
[21:49] <regen> and the cord isnt long enough
[21:49] <regen> :P
[21:49] <scummos> ._.
[21:50] <ParkerR> Type it out
[21:50] <ParkerR> The URL isnt that long
[21:50] <rikkib> Wooot... It lives. Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11PBv1-g95009db #1 PREEMPT Mon Feb 18 00:14:28 NZDT 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[21:50] <scummos> rikkib: it once didn't?
[21:50] <regen> it out?
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[21:51] <scummos> regen: the pastebin tool should print a link
[21:51] <scummos> like pastebin.com/?paste=i7zi5OSHG75v
[21:51] <frikinz> sometimes it doesn't
[21:51] <rikkib> New cross compiled kernel to test a bug fix yesterday
[21:51] <regen> thats the only link it pasted=/
[21:51] <scummos> ok but it lacks the paste ID :D
[21:52] <regen> haha yeah it looked a little wierd but i dont know how to make it spit out anything more:P
[21:52] <frikinz> regen: then maybe do strace -o foo -f ./FlyingCubes; pastebinit foo
[21:52] <rikkib> The bug has existed for several months and effects most uvc cameras
[21:52] <ParkerR> regen, did you do the - after pastebinit?
[21:53] <regen> ....no
[21:53] <frikinz> doesn't matter
[21:53] <ParkerR> "strace -f ./FlyingCubes 2>&1 | pastebinit -"
[21:53] <ParkerR> Oh
[21:53] <ParkerR> Ok thought it might
[21:53] <frikinz> it appears that pastebinit won't paste if it is only one line. without endofline
[21:53] <regen> hahahaha, same frekin https
[21:54] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/ Lets see how the cams hold up now.
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[21:54] <rikkib> Fell over straight away
[21:54] <scummos> rikkib: extreme FPS :D
[21:55] <rikkib> Uggg watchdog keeps rebooting
[21:57] <frikinz> humm 4s RTT from here
[21:57] <treeherder> ugh
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[21:57] <treeherder> anybody with gertboard experience in here
[21:57] <treeherder> is gordonDrogon still awake
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[21:59] <frikinz> anyone into vpn here? I've set up a vpn at home. so I can connect to the machine that is doing the vpn termination. now what :) I wonder how to do the remaining bits like connect to all my lan remotely or even surf from my home ISP
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[22:02] <rikkib> Great bug fix from the kernel developers... Made the situation worse.
[22:03] <frikinz> The pi does a good job at terminating the vpn. it's ipsec Xauth RSA and I use an android 4.1 as client
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, What ho!
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[22:05] <regen> pkexec bash
[22:05] <regen> opsi
[22:05] * Hodapp gasps
[22:06] <KiltedPi> element14 have run out of PI
[22:06] <KiltedPi> :(
[22:06] <KiltedPi> and power supplies and cases!
[22:06] <KiltedPi> :(
[22:06] <lost_soul> ugh
[22:06] <lost_soul> I was going to order two more this week too
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> I have a spare Pi & SD card...
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> brand new...
[22:07] <lost_soul> any indication of how long it will be before they are back in
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[22:08] <gordonDrogon> no idea..... ask them?
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[22:09] <treeherder> lol
[22:09] <treeherder> gordonDrogon: you're a nut
[22:10] <treeherder> ok so last night i was talking to you about programming a 328p from the rpi
[22:10] <treeherder> i have it all hoolked up the right way and all, i've got your modded arduino ide running...
[22:10] <treeherder> i'm not working with an external clock
[22:10] <treeherder> do i need to burn a bootloader?
[22:11] <treeherder> lol, in general, wat2do now?
[22:11] <treeherder> oi'm getting a funny error when i try to upload a skeptch
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> a nut?
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> almond I hope.
[22:11] <treeherder> or even just wehn i run avrdude setup
[22:11] <treeherder> lol the best kind of nut
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> You don't need to burn a bootloader - unless you want to use serial.
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> you should be able to always download code via the SPI interface.
[22:12] <treeherder> ok i can use i2c no big deal
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> or rather ICSP.
[22:13] <treeherder> so i want it hooked to ce
[22:13] <treeherder> ce0
[22:13] <treeherder> to reset, right
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> I'll need to check. it's 6 months since I did that. hang on.
[22:13] <treeherder> everything else is mosi-mosi miso -miso sclk - sclk
[22:14] <treeherder> do i need pull ups or pull downs or caps or anthing
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[22:14] <gordonDrogon> yes. 8/ce0 goes to reset.
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> note that the SPI driver must not be loaded.
[22:15] <treeherder> the error i get is AVR device not responding initialization rc = -1
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[22:15] <treeherder> something about double check connections use -F to override
[22:15] <treeherder> spi driver must not be loaded
[22:15] <treeherder> hmm how to unload driver
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[22:18] <gordonDrogon> rmmod ....
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> s/^/sudo /
[22:19] <treeherder> sudo rmmod spi?
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> _21h_, still there? How are you getting on? I've written a full program to set the clock from Linux and vice versa now.
[22:20] <Hodapp> hmmm... play with WebGL or use the same shading languages on the Pi...
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> use lsmod to get their names - lsmod | fgrep -i spi
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[22:20] <gordonDrogon> there will be 2 of them - a bcm_ one and spidev
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> rmmod them both.
[22:21] <treeherder> ki
[22:21] <treeherder> k i did that
[22:21] <treeherder> restarting arduino ide
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[22:23] <treeherder> damn same error
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[22:26] <gordonDrogon> Unfortunately I've seen a few others report this too. Do you have anything else connected to the pins - in particpur PB5 or pin 13 on the Arduino?
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[22:27] <treeherder> totally unconnected
[22:28] <treeherder> if i plug it into the arduino uno board
[22:28] <treeherder> witht hte chip inside the board
[22:28] <treeherder> it works
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> I'm wondering if avrdude leaves the Pi pins in the wrong mode.
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[22:37] <treeherder> now im getting a verification error
[22:37] <treeherder> mismatched bytes
[22:37] <treeherder> seems like progress maybe
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[22:43] <rikkib> Hmmm new error.
[22:43] <rikkib> [1] Started stream webcam server in port 8081
[22:43] <rikkib> Application transferred too few scanlines
[22:43] <rikkib> *** glibc detected *** motion: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x00862fd8 ***
[22:43] <rikkib> Aborted
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[23:14] <faLUCE> hi. I made an img of my sd card with dd if=/dev/sdx of=/path/to/image.img ... now, how can I see the content (directories, files etc.) of this img file?
[23:15] <ParkerR> faLUCE, You cant reallly. Its a raw image of the card
[23:15] <ParkerR> Multiple partitions and such
[23:15] <faLUCE> ParkerR: but I guesss I can mount it on a virtual device... how can I do?
[23:15] <ParkerR> You could however
[23:16] <ParkerR> faLUCE, dd if=/dev/sdx2 of=image.img
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[23:16] <ParkerR> ONly dd'ing the rootfs partition to the image
[23:16] <ParkerR> Or /dev/mmcblk0p2 on some systems
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[23:16] <scummos> mounting something with a partition table might be a bit more difficult
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[23:17] <faLUCE> [23:16] <ParkerR> faLUCE, dd if=/dev/sdx2 of=image.img <--- that's what I did
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[23:17] <ParkerR> faLUCE, No I mean adding the partition number
[23:17] <ParkerR> INstea dof only /dev/sdx
[23:17] <ParkerR> *INstead of
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[23:18] <faLUCE> ParkerR: but I only want to see the content of an already produced (some days ago) image
[23:18] <faLUCE> I don't want to make
[23:18] <faLUCE> sorry I can't make an image again
[23:19] <scummos> faLUCE: you can probably dd one of the partions of the image to another image, then mount it
[23:19] <scummos> but don't ask me how to get the offsets, probably through fdisk ;)
[23:19] <ParkerR> Well then flash the image to another SD card (dd if=image.img of=/dev/sd<whatever>) then dd if=/dev/sd<whatever><x> of=someimage.ing
[23:19] <scummos> or that
[23:19] <faLUCE> scummos: ParkerR I don't have another sd card
[23:19] <scummos> my method does not involve another SD card
[23:19] <faLUCE> ParkerR:
[23:20] <scummos> it just involves reading fdisk output
[23:20] <faLUCE> scummos: your method is too difficoult
[23:20] <ParkerR> Well chose one
[23:20] <scummos> lol
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[23:20] <ParkerR> Buy another card or use his method
[23:20] <scummos> I'd say, bad luck then :D
[23:21] <faLUCE> but, can I use an usb stick instead of a sd card?
[23:21] <scummos> yes
[23:21] <ParkerR> Yes
[23:21] <faLUCE> ok I'll use it thanks
[23:21] <scummos> can also use a floppy disk
[23:21] <ParkerR> schnuws, Haha
[23:21] <ParkerR> * scummos
[23:21] <scummos> "please insert disk 741"
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[23:22] <steve_rox> bad disk sector start over error
[23:22] <ParkerR> Heh
[23:26] <pksato> faLUCE: yes you can mount this .img created by dd. but...
[23:26] <pksato> need to calculate some offsets.
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[23:27] <blahee> not needed -> kpartx
[23:27] <scummos> or go read the FS by hand
[23:27] <blahee> kpartx creates those /dev/mapper/loopxx devices
[23:27] <scummos> interestingly you can cat /dev/sda |grep <some text>
[23:27] <scummos> find in files 2.0
[23:29] <pksato> faLUCE: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=28860&p=254639#p254639
[23:30] <hybr1d8> You can use 'lomount' to mount partitions within an image file
[23:30] <hybr1d8> that can be found in the xen-utils package
[23:30] <faLUCE> thanks
[23:30] <ParkerR> pksato, Nifty
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[23:32] <scummos> hybr1d8: that's cheating
[23:32] <hybr1d8> :)
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