#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-02-18

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[1:21] <ParkerR> :D
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[1:21] <ParkerR> ZNC 1.0 is amazing
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[1:41] <Primer> I've asked this a few times here before but none of the suggestions have panned out. I want to make my pi run a command line when it detects that HDMI has "come alive" on the other end. I have a Denon AVR between my pi and my TV, and I want my pi to run omxplayer when I switch the input on my Denon to the pi
[1:41] <Primer> I see that tvservice -m shows an event when I switch, but it always reports it's "unplugged"
[1:42] <Primer> it outputs the same two lines when switching to and from the pi
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[1:44] <Primer> Was hoping someone knew a way to monitor events on HDMI, preferably using udev which could then just run a script
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[1:46] <hybr1d8> http://charlesmcruz.wordpress.com/2012/01/22/ubuntu-11-10-automatic-hdmi-toggle-with-audio/
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[1:47] <Primer> yeah, I saw that...it doesn't help
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[1:48] <hybr1d8> does 'xrandr -q' output change when the device is turned on?
[1:49] <hybr1d8> many AVRs keep the connection open/active even when changing to different output
[1:49] <Primer> that's what I'm trying to determine
[1:49] <hybr1d8> this is because otherwise the connection has to be re-configured after changing back which can mess with some DRM-type stuff
[1:49] <Primer> like I said, tvservice -M outputs this when I switch to the pi's input:
[1:50] <hybr1d8> I know on my media centre the HDMI connection to the AVR is always 'active' even when not being show to AVR output
[1:50] <Primer> [I] HDMI cable is unplugged
[1:50] <Primer> [I] HDMI in standby mode
[1:50] <Primer> and when I switch back to the DVR, out outputs the same 2 lines
[1:51] <hybr1d8> yep - the hdmi output is being kept active by the AVR
[1:51] <Primer> yet an event is generated upon switching
[1:51] <Primer> I suppose I could just detect that
[1:52] <Primer> but then I'd have to maintain the state with some sort of script variable, which could technically be off
[1:52] <hybr1d8> and you might see that same event pair when switching AVR between other inputs
[1:52] <Primer> yeah, it happens even when I switch to the PS3
[1:53] <Primer> anyhow, xrandr would require X, which I'm not running
[1:53] <hybr1d8> If you can get EDID info that may show up differently
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[1:54] <hybr1d8> on my AVR the EDID shows that the AVR is the target when output is not shown to TV - and shows the TV EDID info when output is shown to it
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[1:54] <Primer> Any idea how to get that without X?
[1:55] <hybr1d8> try the 'read-edid' package - I don't think that needs X
[1:55] <Primer> thanks
[1:59] <Primer> read-edid installs parse-edid, which just parses a file
[1:59] <Primer> the man page mentions get-edid, but no such program was installed
[2:00] <hybr1d8> should be in /usr/sbin (which may not be in user's path')
[2:00] <Primer> naw, dpkg -L doesn't show anything other than /usr/bin/parse-edid
[2:00] <hybr1d8> try 'sudo /usr/sbin/get-edid | parse-edid'
[2:00] <hybr1d8> maybe it doesn't exist on ARM :(
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[2:10] <hybr1d8> yep - just installed the package on one of my pi's and it is missing the get-edid command :(
[2:11] <KiltedPi> Reading about 'Geocoding' with the Google maps geocoding API. Its pretty cool.
[2:11] <hybr1d8> hmm - try 'tvservice -m DMT' or 'tvservice -m CEA' and see if one of them output differently depending on AVR state
[2:12] <KiltedPi> I saw that a guy created "Ron Weasleys" clock- like the one from the Harry Potter books.
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[2:13] <hybr1d8> Primer: also see if 'tvservice -s' gives a different bitfield for the state
[2:14] <hybr1d8> (I'm not at home so not able to actually test any of that - just been testing via pi plugged to monitor)
[2:18] <KiltedPi> Ron Weasleys clock : http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Weasleys'_family_clock?file=Weasley's_clock.gif
[2:18] <KiltedPi> The google geolocation API is pretty friendly. This would make a great project to work on. In fact, making a magic wand would be pretty cool too
[2:19] <KiltedPi> Have the wand voice activated, or even stick an accelarometer in there, no?
[2:20] <KiltedPi> You could detect 'swishes'
[2:20] <KiltedPi> Anyway. nite
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[3:23] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[3:24] <xiambax> ?
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[3:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
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[3:27] <Tater61757> just ordered my alamode :)
[3:27] <SwK> como esta?
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[3:29] <SwK> yay Fixed me crappy audio inputs!
[3:30] <ShiftPlusOne> yay... still messing around with opamps and not getting anywhere =/
[3:30] <SwK> lol
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[3:39] <alexhairyman> If I'm using a gpio pin for input, what should I limit the current to
[3:40] <alexhairyman> I was going to limit to use only 2mA
[3:40] <SwK> that should be fine
[3:40] <alexhairyman> by putting 1600 Ohm resistance on the 3v3
[3:40] <rikkib> I was going to say 5mA
[3:42] <SwK> alexhairyman: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/robot/buttons_and_switches/ check out those examples
[3:43] <rikkib> I use 860ohms
[3:43] <alexhairyman> Lol, I was actually on that page already :D
[3:44] <rikkib> I have tried higher values but they give variable results
[3:45] <rikkib> Non triggering with quick button pushes
[3:46] <alexhairyman> I use two in series, a one kilohm, and a 680 ohm
[3:46] <rikkib> And I use the internal pull up
[3:46] <alexhairyman> I could just take out the 680
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[3:47] <rikkib> From memory 1200 and 1500 ohms were the values I first tried and then moved down to 860ohms
[3:48] * rikkib puts his glasses on and checks...
[3:48] <SwK> anyone have any hints at cutting ABS sheeting? (making a case by hand w/out a laser cutter)
[3:49] <rikkib> green blue brown
[3:50] <rikkib> 560ohm
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[3:52] <rikkib> .0058 A
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[3:54] <ShiftPlusOne> yay, I think I've clobbered up an op amp circuit which does what I want. Now then... to add some filtering, pick up the parts, build it up and test it out without blowing anything up. =)
[3:55] <Twist-> SwK: ABS is pretty soft.. you can just score it with a razor and break it
[3:55] <Twist-> SwK: or get a razor saw
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[3:59] <rikkib> Case http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-sw-but.jpg
[3:59] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-dev.jpg
[4:00] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/stm32-rpi.jpg
[4:01] <SwK> I like that chasis
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[4:02] <SwK> rikkib: what do you use the keep the bottom of the RPi off the (assumption hah) metal chasis
[4:03] <rikkib> The stuff you find under switch mode supplies
[4:03] <SwK> cool
[4:04] <rikkib> But only as a precaution
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[4:04] <SwK> I wish there was better options for standoffs
[4:04] <rikkib> The way I build the case the board can not contact the ali case
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[4:04] <SwK> atleast they added 2 on the rev2 boards
[4:05] <SwK> case looks good tho
[4:05] <rikkib> The top holds the board
[4:05] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/ use vlc if you have it and I will show you
[4:05] <SwK> bend it yourself?
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[4:06] <SwK> ok
[4:06] <rikkib> U channel
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[4:06] <rikkib> Let me know when you have an image and I will put it close to the cam
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[4:07] <SwK> ahhh
[4:07] <SwK> ok
[4:07] <SwK> good idea
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[4:08] <SwK> I might have to borrow that Idea heh
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[4:09] <SwK> I think we just killed your camera tho
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[4:09] <Flexnard> lol
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[4:09] <rikkib> Opps the cam did not like being moved around
[4:09] <SwK> heh
[4:09] <SwK> were those LCDs for the RPi on your bench?
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[4:12] <rikkib> I have hooked them to the RPi but have not done much software to make them go... They are STM32V boards
[4:12] <rikkib> You can find them on ali express
[4:14] <SwK> amd I reading touch screen also?
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[4:15] <rikkib> Yes
[4:15] <blakespot> greetings
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[4:15] <rikkib> 320x240 lotsa colour
[4:15] <SwK> thats cool
[4:15] <blakespot> I just reg'ed here. I am this guy: http://bytecellar.com
[4:15] <rikkib> I will fire one up for you
[4:16] <ParkerR> blakespot, :O That guy
[4:16] <ParkerR> Love that computer room
[4:16] <blakespot> :-)
[4:16] <blakespot> you saw before?
[4:16] <ParkerR> Yes
[4:16] <blakespot> hah nice
[4:16] <blakespot> had not expected
[4:16] <blakespot> dragged my Pi back out
[4:16] <ParkerR> blakespot, You've been on reddit
[4:16] <blakespot> trying to get into Minecraft python fun
[4:16] <ParkerR> Many people have seen you before
[4:17] <blakespot> I missed the reddit story...
[4:17] <blakespot> Was on Engadget and Lifehacker true
[4:17] <SwK> rikkib: pretty nice little display
[4:17] <ParkerR> I think it was reedit
[4:17] <ParkerR> It was seomthing big like that :)
[4:17] <ParkerR> *something
[4:17] <blakespot> hah nice
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[4:17] <ParkerR> blakespot, Love the collection
[4:18] <blakespot> thanks
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[4:18] <ParkerR> blakespot, Can't believe I just now notice the Pi in the upper left monitor
[4:18] <blakespot> ah, yes
[4:18] <blakespot> it's sat dorman for a while, I confess
[4:18] <Ishpeck> My daughter loves to reboot so she can see the pi there.
[4:18] <blakespot> Just installed the lates Wheezy
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[4:19] <SwK> blakespot: nice 99/4a setup there
[4:19] <rikkib> SWK ARM Cortex M3... Easy to cross compile for it on a Linux machine
[4:19] <blakespot> http://instagram/p/V2xlwxj4He/
[4:19] <alexhairyman> Gotst it working, thanks rikkib for the ohm advice, and swk for reassurance ;D
[4:19] <blakespot> ah, yea - was my first computer
[4:19] <blakespot> 1982
[4:19] <rikkib> Has a serial boot loader but I also have JTag for them
[4:19] <SwK> blakespot: was my first as well
[4:19] <blakespot> ah nice
[4:20] <blakespot> brb one sec
[4:20] <SwK> blakespot: complete w/ the PEB heh
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[4:20] <rikkib> The little gray box from Olimex
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[4:22] * rikkib has to much stuff on the bench
[4:22] <SwK> rikkib: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-STM32-HY-MINI-STM32V-Development-Board-STM32F103VCT6-With-3-2-LCD/312788_425312334.html that the same one?
[4:22] <rikkib> Danger Will Robinson... Sooner or later I will short something out
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[4:22] <blakespot> back
[4:23] <blakespot> I missed whatever was said between my departure and now :-)
[4:23] <rikkib> SWK Thats the one
[4:23] <ParkerR> Heh not much
[4:23] <SwK> blakespot: i just commented complete w/ the PEB also ??? that was a good machien back in the day
[4:24] <rikkib> $35USD
[4:24] <rikkib> Free shipping to NZ
[4:24] <ParkerR> blakespot, That url is missing a domain " http://instagram/p/V2xlwxj4He/ "
[4:24] <rikkib> I have three to play with and have one running a Ham (Global clock) which displays 8 different time zones
[4:25] <SwK> nice
[4:26] <rikkib> Also have MC9S08 devel board which is handy to add A2D and other things to the RPI
[4:26] <rikkib> 16 pin chip
[4:26] <SwK> I need to find something like that to add to my project??? but that one is just a tad to large??? trying to stay in the 2.5" (65mm) width area
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[4:26] <boakun> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1312527055/micro-usb-on-off-power-switch-for-raspberry-pi?ref=home_location
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[4:28] <rikkib> SWK: have a look at the S08 board... I will put it up to the cam... It is running a little nokia lcd
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[4:29] <SwK> thats cool also
[4:29] <ParkerR> boakun, Neat
[4:30] <rikkib> s08 board costs a little more at $100 odd NZD
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[4:30] <rikkib> But the chips are cheap
[4:30] <boakun> i wouldnt want that imo ParkerR
[4:30] <boakun> suddenly shutting off the entire unit
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[4:30] <blakespot> repost: http://instagram.com/p/V2xiwxj4He/
[4:30] <boakun> i guess at least its flash memory, and not a moving hdd
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[4:30] <ParkerR> boakun, It doesnt suddenly shut it of
[4:30] <rikkib> Once you have developed you can just load the chip onto a board
[4:30] <boakun> it would
[4:30] <ParkerR> It calls a script
[4:31] <boakun> ah
[4:31] <blakespot> Yea, TI-99/4A was mice
[4:31] <blakespot> nice
[4:31] <ParkerR> That cleanly shuts down
[4:31] <boakun> getting up to power it off is annoying
[4:31] <blakespot> pretty hobbled machine
[4:31] <boakun> write a script to let me remote power button do it
[4:31] <blakespot> arch wise
[4:31] <blakespot> tho
[4:31] <blakespot> built linke a tank
[4:31] <SwK> rikkib: this the same LCD? https://www.adafruit.com/products/338
[4:31] <blakespot> I almost owned a Geneve
[4:31] <ParkerR> blakespot, I have a TI-99/4A
[4:31] <blakespot> 9640
[4:31] <ParkerR> Neat thing
[4:32] <blakespot> http://pinterest.com/blakespot/texas-instruments-vintage/
[4:32] <blakespot> yea
[4:32] <SwK> I almost bought a Geneve and a Graham Cracker
[4:32] <ParkerR> :D
[4:32] <rikkib> Yep I think that is the same one... 3.3v levels with SPI interface
[4:33] <rikkib> You do not need the level shifter to hook to RPi spi
[4:33] <SwK> blakespot: instead I think I ended up with a SYS34 lol
[4:33] <blakespot> nice
[4:33] <blakespot> TI was so arch screwed
[4:33] <blakespot> I went ot sell my TI-99/4A in 1984 and this happened
[4:33] <blakespot> ...
[4:34] <blakespot> http://www.bytecellar.com/2012/11/14/a-ti-994a-phone-call-ive-remembered-these-28-long-years/
[4:37] <SwK> blakespot: lol I ended up selling mine to a small private school, and replacing it with a TRS-80 mk IV with a 300/600 modem, and from that point I was hooked on this BBS thing heh
[4:39] <SwK> blakespot: are you collecting the hardware these days?
[4:39] <ParkerR> blakespot, http://i.minus.com/iDBUktqk5jkHt.JPG
[4:40] <SwK> I see a trs-80 model 2??? I have 3 x 8" FDD and I thing a small HDD (by small I mean storage capacity it weighs about 20 lbs)
[4:41] <SwK> ParkerR: Parsec was my favorite lol
[4:42] <ParkerR> :)
[4:42] <SwK> that or B1B??? B1B was sold on tape and written in Basic???
[4:42] <SwK> i had about 3 patch sets for it
[4:43] <boakun> is 25.3% idle decent for a rpi
[4:43] <ParkerR> boakun, CPU? Yes
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[4:43] <boakun> thought so
[4:44] <boakun> xbmc gui always shows like 92% but ssh top shows 25
[4:44] <boakun> discrepency
[4:44] <SwK> 25% in the id column on top?
[4:45] <ParkerR> boakun, The method used to poll the CPU on the XBMC info screen is what takes up that much CPU
[4:45] <boakun> id?
[4:45] <SwK> idle
[4:45] <boakun> CPU: 26.1% usr 2.6% sys 0.0% nic 71.0% idle 0.0% io 0.0% irq 0.2% sirq
[4:45] <SwK> oh ok
[4:45] <SwK> thats not to bad
[4:45] <boakun> it's oc'd a tiny bit
[4:46] <boakun> http://sprunge.us/XJLO
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[4:55] <DeliriumTremens> know what i've decided i hate?
[4:55] <DeliriumTremens> gentoo.
[4:56] <boakun> i like gentoo
[4:56] <boakun> i dislike cave though
[4:56] <DeliriumTremens> i'm going through my first gentoo install
[4:56] <boakun> whats so bad about it
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[4:56] <DeliriumTremens> aside from everything?
[4:56] <DeliriumTremens> i kid
[4:56] <boakun> its a source distro. its gonna be more involved
[4:56] <DeliriumTremens> getting the BCM4312 wireless card working was interesting
[4:56] <boakun> heh
[4:57] <boakun> prob a fw license issue
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[4:57] <DeliriumTremens> eh
[4:57] <DeliriumTremens> not just that
[4:57] <boakun> just no real advantage to gentoo these days
[4:57] <DeliriumTremens> i had to recompile the kernel a few times
[4:57] <blakespot> nice carts shot
[4:57] <boakun> i never even configure my own kernel in gentoo
[4:57] <blakespot> Yea Parsec was my fav
[4:57] <DeliriumTremens> emerge world overnight left me in tears
[4:57] <boakun> just use genkernel
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[5:06] <xiambax> DO THE HARLEM SHAKE!!!!
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[5:07] <xiambax> \o\ /o/ \o\
[5:07] <boakun> \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
[5:07] <boakun> \o\ /o/ \o\ \o\ /o/ \o\ \o\ /o/ \o\
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[5:28] <pa1983> Gentoo love :D
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[5:29] <pa1983> DeliriumTremens, I have used gentoo for 12 years and Im still a noob at it but I cant find a dist with better wikis or better devs that actualy helps and get things fixed.
[5:29] <pa1983> I remember back when one did a stage1 install and it took days to compile the base system :P
[5:30] <boakun> heh
[5:30] <boakun> i never did stage 1's
[5:30] <DeliriumTremens> i wont go into all the problems i have and am running into but its dumb
[5:30] <DeliriumTremens> big pile of dumb dumb
[5:30] <pa1983> that was alsmost standard back in 2001
[5:30] <boakun> ya
[5:30] <boakun> gentoo has no use these days
[5:30] <boakun> just install ubuntu
[5:30] <ShiftPlusOne> the gentoo wiki has been spotty for a while =/
[5:31] <pa1983> DeliriumTremens, will if you stick with it you will see its worth it. I was no gentoo or linux addopter over nigth. Took me a few months befor I feelt confident
[5:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Tend to favour archwiki nowadays
[5:31] <boakun> pa1983, what advantage do you feel gentoo has
[5:31] <pa1983> Once you get in to it, dont need to be an expert, im a noob but its all about geting use to it
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[5:31] <boakun> dont fuck up /etc/
[5:31] <pa1983> boakun, good documentation, its easy to find a sulution to anything on wants to do or fix
[5:31] <ShiftPlusOne> boakun, don't swear on this channel.
[5:32] <boakun> gentoo is more hassle than its worth these days
[5:32] <pa1983> and portage is just awsome
[5:32] <boakun> untill it breaks itself
[5:32] <pa1983> how is that?
[5:32] <pa1983> Nver breaks for me any more
[5:32] <boakun> it used to always break for me
[5:32] <boakun> around 2004
[5:32] <pa1983> usualy the users fault. My friends break there ubuntu isntalls on regular bases. Now days if I want I usually keeps the gentoo install but change hardware :P
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[5:32] <pa1983> trhats how long an install lasts for me
[5:33] <pa1983> well its easy to fix gentoo anyt way if it breaks
[5:33] <boakun> it can be
[5:33] <boakun> i just dont care for linux these days. running win 7 on this pc
[5:33] <rikkib> Language please... This is a kids friendly channel
[5:33] <pa1983> Most of the time it was I how made som error in fstab or somthing simple, a chroot later and it was fixed. Cant remember when I needed to us a live cd to recover
[5:33] <boakun> i didnt swear again
[5:34] <boakun> i wouldnt let children on irc though
[5:34] <rikkib> Sorry did not see ShiftPlusOne's comment
[5:35] <pa1983> I just find ubuntu very unstable. It tends to break on upgrades and sutch especialy back when it was new but still to this day its a bit unreliable
[5:35] <pa1983> debian is stable but it so out of date all the time
[5:35] <ShiftPlusOne> well, he didn't acknowledge it so I was conemplating a kick there.
[5:35] <pa1983> need a relic of a pc to have driver support
[5:35] <boakun> ya
[5:35] <boakun> my school runs debian still though
[5:36] <pa1983> I also liek the fact that I can select user flags as I wish. And I find most other package system lacking. Sure you can add more sources but so can you in gentoo to and its easy as pie with layman
[5:36] <pa1983> My isntalls usualy last the pc out and if still good I usually recompile it all to match the new cpu
[5:37] <pa1983> but gentoo is not for every one but if your like me and likes control and have the OS just the way you want its perfect
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[5:38] <pa1983> especially on faster hardware. But any modern cpu like an i3 should give good compile times.
[5:39] <boakun> i just hate recompiling x program
[5:39] <boakun> cause it wasnt compiled with use flag needed
[5:39] <pa1983> I have installed gentoo on Alpha, PPC, c86, x86_64 and now Arm :P
[5:39] <pa1983> *x86
[5:39] <boakun> how well does arm handle it
[5:40] <pa1983> well its all about CPU speed so :P
[5:40] <boakun> i hear gentoo runs on rpi tho
[5:40] <pa1983> but it works. CPU is slow but I dont see how thats ISA related. Sure 32bit arm have memory limits but there will be 64bit processors for arm to soon
[5:40] <pa1983> boakun, Yea mine runs it rigth now
[5:40] <pa1983> no problems at all
[5:41] <pa1983> 1h to set it up and boot
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[5:41] <pa1983> install is a LOT shorter for the pi then a normal system.
[5:41] <pa1983> Alpha was probebly the most fun tough
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[5:42] <pa1983> I have an old Alpha EV56. No loger in use and the gentoo install is broken sens I didnt finish an upgrade on it a long time ago
[5:42] <pa1983> But it runs ordinary sata 2 controller and networkcard and GFX card from a PC.
[5:43] <pa1983> thanks to linux and the Alpha machines x86 emulation of PCI cards I could upgrade it with PC hardware :P
[5:44] <pa1983> that old Alpha 500Mhz CPU did twize the Floating point operations of a P3. It calculated pi as fast as a Duron 1Ghz or P3 1Ghz.
[5:44] <pa1983> And the EV56 333Mhz I belive came out the same year as Pentium Classic 200Mhz
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[5:45] <pa1983> so by a magnitude faster then a x86 system. To bad Alpha died due to poor management.
[5:45] <boakun> i wonder if taht quad core android pcb will do well
[5:45] <boakun> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php#
[5:45] <pa1983> cant see why not
[5:46] <pa1983> that shuld be a lot faster
[5:46] <boakun> not a bad price
[5:46] <pa1983> the the pi
[5:46] <boakun> id ont think any usb powered board is gonna be gigabit tho
[5:46] <pa1983> compiling on that shuld be at least 10x times the pice preformance I suppose but 32bit memory buss will probebly hold it back
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[5:47] <pa1983> any way that is a LOT faster then a pi especially with gentoo. Cant say anything about the graphics tough.
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[5:48] <boakun> mail 400 iirc
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[5:48] <pa1983> I know to little about SoC to know how the linux support is
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[5:49] <pa1983> if there is xorg support that would be great etc but I doubt it.
[5:51] <pa1983> only problem I realy have now is that omxplayer is broken
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[5:52] <pa1983> not only is the overlay not up to date due to a new make file dated 1 february in git but ffmpeg is also updated breaking omxplayer I was told by some of gentoos dev. But there working on it so maby a fix with in a week or so.
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[5:52] <pa1983> But that I like. Ask on gentoo irc channel and you get some of the best devs on the case asap. I almost feel bad, like they are small slaves :P
[5:54] <pa1983> in ubuntu thay can know about bugs for years and not fix them. That is annoying. So you ahve to patch your self. I have patched stuff on my freends ubuntu machines and made workarounds on problem know and confermed that are well not trivial
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[8:01] <ssorg> I have a script that runs fine manually, but when run from cron, I get the following message: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4975375
[8:01] <ssorg> does something need to change in my cron configuration?
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[8:11] <doomy> ssorg: Make sure the dynamic loader can find the lib, which should be in /opt/vc/lib
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[8:12] <doomy> Set the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH to this value, or configure your /etc/ld.so.conf
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[8:13] <doomy> (I personnaly prefer the LD_LIBRARY_PATH way)
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[8:16] <jcath> good afternoon, friends
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[8:20] <Shift_> ahoy
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[8:39] <rmxircmonkey> is there are any packages of Qt5 for rasppi for raspbian image?
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[8:55] <_ember> rmxircmonkey: http://qt-project.org/wiki/RaspberryPi_Beginners_guide
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[9:21] <martk100> When I exit xbcm on Pi running Archlinux I have to press ctrl-alt-F7 followed by alt-right to restore my desktop. As I plan to run on touchscreen only .Can I generate these keystrokes automatically on xbmc exit? Possibly in a script.
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[10:28] <Davespice> morning
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[10:41] * Jck_true dreads having to crawl through the attic installing Cat-5....
[10:41] <mjr> if you're gonna crawl, I'd put in cat-6 while I'm at it
[10:42] <Jck_true> fiber would be overkill right?
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[10:44] <mjr> Depends but probably. You could drag a few cords along though to facilitate pulling new wires through without crawling if it ever becomes necessary. If that's a thing that might conceivably happen, anyway.
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[10:47] <nid0> or use cat6a to future proof that little bit more
[10:49] <mjr> well, plain 6 is good for 10 gigabits up to 55 meters, so depends
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[11:14] <hyppias> If iI want to do Samba, should I opt for samba 4?
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[12:19] <steve_rox> maybe
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[12:49] <axion> can any arch users share their default config.txt from the image?
[12:50] * SixtyFold has his rPi coming in 48 hours, yay, i think, hehe
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[12:53] <gordonDrogon> axion, watch the tumbleweed drift by as the one other Arch user isn't logged on right now ... ;-)
[12:54] <neilr> Probably having a get together with the other RISC OS user
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[12:54] * Zarek_ has Plan 9 now
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[12:56] <nid0> I randomly found out one of our customers has a pi running riscos a couple of weeks ago
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[12:56] <nid0> wanted help storing/accessing mail archives on it
[12:56] * gordonDrogon would type 'lol' at this point, but finds it hard to do so.
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> I undestand that still don't have imap for risc os ...
[12:57] <Joeboy> Fairly sure I'm the only person in the world running my OS
[12:57] <Joeboy> If indeed it is an OS
[12:57] <neilr> Oh, you *can* have IMAP. If you pay thirty quid.
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> if you wrote it, that's possibly hte case :)
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> neilr, eek!
[12:57] <nid0> ah he just wanted to download mail backups from his service with us to clear out his online storage, and just needed a way to access the archive if he ever needed to
[12:57] <Joeboy> It's on github, so conceivably not
[12:58] <nid0> so pointed him in the direction of any text editor
[12:58] <neilr> GordonDrogon, my reaction was of a more four-lettered form.
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[12:58] <Mortvert> \o\ woot woot, got a (i hope so) working pi
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> neilr, it's always going to be an issue with nieche platforms - you're relying on the goodwill of the community to support it..
[12:59] <Mortvert> Running the newclock.pl, it didn't crash yet
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[12:59] <gordonDrogon> neilr, or a commercial entity - who relies on your cash to support them to support it ..
[12:59] <neilr> yeah, and that's fine. For 99% of the time I'm happy with what it does, and it does it a whole lot faster than Linux.
[13:00] <neilr> For the other 1% of the time, well, I just have to remind myself that only 12 people in the world use it.
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> I'd love to port my little real timeish task scheduller to the Pi in bare-metal mode but I just don't have time - and I suspect the effort might be nothing more than academic too.
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[13:01] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: I think you have some fairly established competition
[13:03] <Joeboy> There seemed to already be options anyway, although I don't need task scheduling so I didn't check them out very far
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> Joeboy, sure - freertos has been ported AIUI.
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> I'm working my way through some Gertboard tutorials, so will include my command-line ATmega code there and base it round my mini thing.
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[13:04] <Mortvert> Okay, how do i kill X sesion in raspbian without a mouse?
[13:05] <Joeboy> At a guess, ctrl+alt+f1, log in, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[13:06] <Joeboy> might not be gdm, not sure
[13:06] <Joeboy> maybe killall X
[13:06] <Mortvert> i wanted the keycombo. Thanks o/
[13:06] <Jck_true> Alt+F2 to change to the terminal?
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> it's often Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[13:07] <Joeboy> Mortvert: it's "normally" ctrl+alt+backspace, but it tends to be disabled in newer distros I think
[13:07] <Mortvert> yeah, i tried that one, no dice.
[13:13] <axion> gordonDrogon: there are quite a few here. what is with you against arch?
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[13:17] <Jck_true> So the only sensible solution for doing GPU accelerated raw graphics is QT?
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[13:17] <Jck_true> Or should I just sit down and mash everything together with OpenVG?
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[13:17] <Jck_true> (Simply need to display some sensor values)
[13:17] <axion> i directly use dispmanx
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[13:18] <Jck_true> I would prefer avoiding X
[13:18] <axion> that is not
[13:18] <axion> X
[13:18] <axion> that is as raw as you can get
[13:18] <pksato> sensor values? and need accel GPU?
[13:18] <axion> pass it an egl context, draw with gl
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[13:20] <Jck_true> pksato: Shouldn't stop me from doing it "the right way"
[13:21] <Jck_true> dispmanx
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> axion, oh nothing more than teasing! I respect your right for choice.
[13:22] <axion> hehe
[13:22] <axion> well i certainly would not use a single-device distribution over a distrubution i have used on all my systems for over 10 years
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> axion, Raspbian isn't a single device distro - it's 100% Debian - which I've been using for 18 years now..
[13:23] <axion> yes but it will not run on anything debian runs on
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> my desktop runs Debian - it's the same Debian - just compiled fo a different processor.
[13:23] <Dyskette> axion: and your arch images won't run on anything that isn't an rpi
[13:24] <axion> yes it will
[13:24] <axion> it is for a whole range of arm computers
[13:24] <Dyskette> axion: as is debian
[13:24] <axion> i have 4 with it to be exact
[13:24] <Dyskette> axion: but if you download the raspi arch image, THAT ITSELF will not run on anything else. Raspbian is effectively just the name for the raspi debian iamges
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> Personally, I think Debians decision to publicly lamblast the Pi was a poor one, however thanks to the community we now have a working Debian on the Pi.
[13:25] <Dyskette> Sure arch linux arm or arch will run on other stuff. So will debian arm, or debian.
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[13:32] <crenn> https://twitter.com/crennsmind/status/303481418414182400/photo/1 Shot of the moon and jupiter here, the moon is that colour because of the bushfires here :D
[13:32] <Mortvert> gordonDrogon - well, any linux can run on pi with some amount of work
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[13:33] <Mortvert> And yay, my pi is 100% operational.
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[13:34] <axion> at least my pi boots in ~5s and i dont have to use a testing repo
[13:34] <Dyskette> axion: see that IS a fair criticism :)
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> it takes the linux kernel 4-5 seconds to boot on any Pi.
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> and if you're using 'testing' as a criticism, then you realyl don't know what Debian is about.
[13:35] <Mortvert> gordonDrogon - testing is latest
[13:36] <Mortvert> stable is few years old
[13:36] <Weaselweb> gordonDrogon: not really. "[ 3.298420] Freeing init memory: 108K" with rootdelay=2, so the kernel is ready after ~1.2s
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[13:37] <Dyskette> More like ~1.3s, isn't it? :P
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, ok - i'll give you that - there is then a few seconds of usb probing, etc.
[13:38] <Weaselweb> gordonDrogon: sure, but that is pure asynchronous. it doesn'tmatter for booting
[13:38] <axion> not true gordon
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> [ 1.727844] Freeing init memory: 124K
[13:38] <axion> Feb 17 19:35:24 axbook systemd[1]: Startup finished in 1s 958ms 625us (kernel) + 1s 838ms 649us (userspace) = 3s 797ms 274us.
[13:39] <Xtrato> Weaselweb. Are you the Weaselweb from priyom.org?
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> Have to say; I gave up caring about boot times years ago. It's really not important. If I were rebooting things hourly then I might care.
[13:39] <Weaselweb> Dyskette: ok. ~1,3 :)
[13:39] <Weaselweb> Xtrato: as I don't know that site, I would say no
[13:39] <Xtrato> ok :)
[13:40] <Weaselweb> axion: where do you get that information?
[13:40] <axion> systemd-analyze, or journalctl -b|grep finished
[13:40] <ParkerR> Has anyone tried a wired PS3 controller in Raspbian? From what I read PS3 controller support was added in kernel 2.6, it shows up in dmesg https://pastee.org/xzpdm , but when I try to use it with something the button presses aren't recognized
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[13:41] <Dyskette> ParkerR: I got one to work. It was a bit of a faff, though I can't remember what it needed doing exactly
[13:41] <Weaselweb> axion: ah, thanks
[13:41] <treeherder> @@evening
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[13:42] <Weaselweb> ParkerR: that depends on what you want to recognize it?
[13:42] <treeherder> hey gordonDrogon, are you around? i made some progress and have some new questions for you about the gertboard avr setup...
[13:42] <ParkerR> Weaselweb, Well specifically emulationstation but if the jeys were working it would let me map the buttons
[13:43] <ParkerR> *keys
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[13:44] <Weaselweb> ParkerR: do you have /dev/js* (iirc it was that path)
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, hello!
[13:44] <axion> sometimes, or sometimes /dev/input/js*
[13:44] <treeherder> hello hello
[13:45] <ParkerR> Weaselweb, Actually no. It shows up as /dev/input/input6
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[13:45] <Weaselweb> well, it have been a long since I needed that info. plugged in and works out of the box where I used it
[13:45] <ParkerR> I could try a simlink to js0
[13:45] <Weaselweb> ParkerR: i guess you mean event6, that's a slightly different interface. i think you no the joydev driver or how it was called
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[13:46] <treeherder> hehe ok so, because i lack hardware (mainly an external resonator) i used the rpi gpio @ 3,3v to burn a new bootloader nd actually successfully uploaded my sketch to it
[13:46] <ParkerR> Oh nwm
[13:46] <ParkerR> There is a js0 in /dev/input/
[13:46] <treeherder> but when i take it out of the cradle on the uno
[13:46] <treeherder> it no longer works
[13:46] <Mortvert> Err http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org wheezy Release.gpg
[13:46] <Mortvert> Temporary failure resolving 'mirrordirector.raspbian.org'
[13:46] <Mortvert> Uhh..?
[13:46] <treeherder> i guessi need to set some fuses for suing internal resonator, and i was wondering how to do that through the pi
[13:47] <treeherder> because it's the onlything that seems to be working
[13:47] <Weaselweb> ParkerR: that should be all from the kernel side
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, yes, you need to change the fuses to make it use the internal osc.
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, also, the bootloader needs to know the cpu frequency - a 16MHz bootloader will not load a sketch when the Atmega is running at 12 or 8MHz.
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, if you look at my avrsetup script - it has the fuse values for a 12MHz ATmega with external resonator. You need to read the datasheet to work out the magic values for a 8MHz internal one.
[13:49] <treeherder> ok
[13:49] <treeherder> thank you
[13:50] <treeherder> and one more question
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[13:51] <Mortvert> is the repo down?
[13:51] <Mortvert> Temporary failure resolving 'mirrordirector.raspbian.org'
[13:51] <treeherder> well it might be two fold
[13:51] <treeherder> if i find the right bootloader, can i upload it using the current hardware configuration?
[13:51] <treeherder> or does it need to be upladed @ 8mhz
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[13:52] <treeherder> k
[13:52] <Mortvert> gordonDrogon - i need help with the apt-get ._.
[13:52] <Mortvert> Can you help?
[13:52] <Triffid_Hunter> gordonDrogon, treeherder: https://github.com/triffid/ESC/blob/master/esc.c#L550 <-- fuses can be this easy
[13:52] <treeherder> and the second part is what is the assumed gertboard config?
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> Mortvert, yes..
[13:52] <Armand> Mortvert, seems ok to me.
[13:52] <Mortvert> gordonDrogon - did the gpg keys change or anything?
[13:52] <treeherder> should i update boards.txt for a standalone chip
[13:52] <Mortvert> I get errors while trying to resolve
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[13:52] <treeherder> Mortvert: apt-get up[date
[13:52] <Mortvert> that's where i get errors
[13:52] <Mortvert> too
[13:53] <treeherder> --fix-missing
[13:53] <treeherder> which errors
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> I have: deb http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> however the mirrordirector may be offline itself.
[13:53] <treeherder> my sources is a mess
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[13:53] <treeherder> i have like all of them
[13:53] <treeherder> but it works
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> you probably should use the mirrordirector, but if it's offline, then use that directly.
[13:53] <Armand> Hit http://archive.raspberrypi.org wheezy InRelease
[13:53] <Armand> Get:1 http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org wheezy InRelease [12.5 kB]
[13:53] <treeherder> i updated like an hour ago
[13:54] <treeherder> anyway gordonDrogon does the gertboard use an external crystal, or is it minimal circuit?
[13:54] <Armand> Pings fine too.. maybe it's a routing issue.
[13:55] <treeherder> for the boards option you installed already
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[13:55] <treeherder> Mortvert: try upgrading
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[13:56] <Mortvert> same thing, cannot resolve
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[13:56] <Mortvert> I'll re-flash the SD card and try again.
[13:57] <Armand> I'd suggest changing the sources
[13:57] <Mortvert> doesn't connect either
[13:57] <Armand> So, you've got no internet access from the Pi ?
[13:57] <Walther> Hello folks! I'm trying to get my Pi setup working again, but my build is failing me again - for the same reason it failed last year (causing me to abandon my pi for over 6mo)
[13:57] <Mortvert> Armand - it can ping IPs just fine
[13:57] <Mortvert> something messed up
[13:57] <Armand> Ahh..
[13:57] <Walther> I am powering the Pi from a 2A tablet charger, and have a 2A external USB HUB, and a usb hdd plugged into the hub
[13:57] <treeherder> Walther: why the melodrama?
[13:58] <treeherder> download a working img and it 'just works"
[13:58] <Walther> treeherder: no melodrama, i just became overly frustrated and did other things in the meanwhile
[13:58] <treeherder> 0 problems
[13:58] <Walther> However, every now and then there is a power cycle to the HDD / usb
[13:58] <Walther> -> IO error
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[13:58] <Mortvert> low voltage i guess
[13:58] <treeherder> hdd usb/
[13:58] <treeherder> ??
[13:58] <Walther> Again, I can confirm this is not a power issue; it is something caused by the Pi's usb stack
[13:58] <treeherder> y u no use sd card
[13:59] <Armand> treeherder, I would suggest the usb drive is an addon ?
[13:59] <Walther> I do use the SD card for booting. I just want a disk for data; a home NAS
[13:59] <Armand> ;)
[13:59] <Walther> But yeah, on a desktop computer / laptop / anything else but the pi, the usb hdd on the powered hub is fine and can sustain a longer write operation
[13:59] <treeherder> Walther: whats the power draw on the usb drive?
[13:59] <treeherder> have you tried jumping the fuses to provide more power
[13:59] <Walther> treeherder: should be withing spec, haven't measured it but it can't top 1A
[14:00] <treeherder> well
[14:00] <treeherder> the usb on the pi
[14:00] <Walther> and again, the usb hdd sits on a *powered hub*
[14:00] <treeherder> doesnt do more than 500 a
[14:00] <treeherder> each
[14:00] <treeherder> so ther eis probably your problem
[14:00] <Walther> will you please read my lines
[14:00] <treeherder> attach it to a powere usb hum
[14:00] <treeherder> hub
[14:00] <Walther> it is there
[14:00] <Armand> He has
[14:00] <treeherder> ah
[14:00] <Walther> please, read my lines more carefully before assuming silly things ;)
[14:00] <treeherder> no i will not read your lines
[14:00] <Armand> Walther, Have you powered it from the hub before ?
[14:01] <Dyskette> treeherder: hardly much sense responding if you're not going to read what you're responding to
[14:01] <Walther> Armand: Yes, and like I said, the usb hdd is perfectly fine with or without that hub on desktop or laptop
[14:01] <Walther> so it's not about the hdd nor about the hub
[14:01] <Armand> Bizarre.
[14:01] <treeherder> Dyskette: no body asked for your dourness
[14:01] <Dyskette> treeherder: likewise
[14:01] <Armand> I can certainly see why you suspect the Pi, Walther
[14:01] <Walther> somehow the pi's usb stack manages to interfere with the ext hub, causing a powercycle to the HDD, causing IO error
[14:02] <Dyskette> Walther: it could be that the hub is taking power from the host, and that just doesn't cause issues with your laptop/desktop since they are capable of powering the hdd directly
[14:02] <Walther> I get no similar powercycles on any other device than the pi, with or without the hub.
[14:02] <frikinz> what are the error messages?
[14:02] <Walther> Dyskette: I have the AC adaptor attached, it shouldn't
[14:02] <Walther> the AC adapter is rated at 2A
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[14:02] <Armand> Oh damn.. gotta fly, laters. .o/
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[14:02] <treeherder> Dyskette: if you bother to read his lines he said he hasnt measured it
[14:02] <Dyskette> Walther: it shouldn't, yeah, but that's not quite the same thing as it not doing so
[14:03] <Dyskette> treeherder: oh, so now you ARE reading his lines?
[14:03] * treeherder feels trolled
[14:03] <Walther> But just as a side question, has anyone ever confirmably managed to attach a HDD of any sorts to the Pi, without getting random powercycles / IO errors?
[14:03] <treeherder> sounds like a question for google
[14:03] <Dyskette> Walther: I have
[14:04] <Walther> treeherder: do you think I would ask the question here if I hadn't googled? :P
[14:04] <treeherder> i don't know
[14:04] <treeherder> i'm just grumpy now
[14:04] <Walther> Dyskette: ok, what's your confirmed setup? Also, can it sustain longer operations?
[14:04] <Dyskette> Walther: but it was a drive with its own powersupply
[14:04] <Walther> treeherder: no offense, it shows
[14:04] <Walther> Ah. I would strongly prefer the powered hub approach
[14:05] <treeherder> anwyays i had a very simialr issue with my webcam
[14:05] <treeherder> i would say nearly identical
[14:05] <treeherder> and i fixed it by jumping the fises
[14:05] <Walther> because a) i have a one already b) allows for further expansion
[14:05] <treeherder> fuses
[14:05] <treeherder> what would happen was
[14:05] <treeherder> when it would power up
[14:05] <treeherder> it would i/o error
[14:05] <treeherder> and sometimes brownout
[14:06] <treeherder> get stuck booting and rebooting
[14:06] <Dyskette> Walther: I seem to recall someone having an issue like that, and solving it by cutting the power lines to the host port on the hub, since it was trying to draw power from the host port despite being powered
[14:06] <treeherder> until the camera was unplugged
[14:06] <Dyskette> Walther: obviously, that means the hub can then only be used powered, as it cannot draw power from the host
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[14:06] <treeherder> Dyskette: a simple solution
[14:07] <treeherder> is to use a usb extension
[14:07] <treeherder> oon the host line
[14:07] <treeherder> and cut the power cords in the extension
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, the gertboard uses a 12MHz ceramic resonator thing.
[14:07] <treeherder> aah ok
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[14:07] <Jck_true> Whats the GPCLK0 for?
[14:07] <Dyskette> treeherder: yeah, that would work too
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> for whatever you want to use it for.
[14:07] <treeherder> gordonDrogon: if i add my own entry to avrdude.conf and boards.txt
[14:07] <Jck_true> Just the raw clock or?
[14:07] <treeherder> is there any thing funny i have to do
[14:08] <treeherder> or is it like edditing them on any other system (which i've done)
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, you can program it to be an output from 19.2MHz down to about 5KH.
[14:08] <Dyskette> But the key is to make sure that only the data lines are connected to the host's usb, one way or another
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, that's all I do - just edit them directly. however an update of the avrtools will overwrite it ...
[14:09] <Dyskette> Walther: it's pretty common for usb devices and hubs to not conform strictly to spec. Most of the time it's not an issue, but with the raspi it can be.
[14:09] <treeherder> gordonDrogon: could i use gpclk0 for a clk signal to burn the bootloader?
[14:09] <Walther> Dyskette: now that's a nice idea, i do have spare USB cables so I could just plain cut the power pins
[14:09] <Walther> I have no problems having the usb hub powered at all times
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[14:09] <Walther> I just want to a) have a pi and a hdd b) make it tiny, tiny tiny
[14:10] <Jck_true> Walther: Get one of thoose power split cables
[14:10] <treeherder> Walther: try jumping the fuses on the usb ports
[14:10] <frikinz> Isn't the problem with dwc_otg still present? searching google for dwc_otg
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[14:11] <Jck_true> Walther: http://dx.com/p/usb-2-0-mini-5-pin-to-a-male-power-y-cable-62-cm-65630?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate
[14:11] <Walther> Jck_true: one of those won't help here: if you would have attentively read my lines, I'm trying to reliably use an external powered hub
[14:11] <Walther> Jck_true: and it seems that it is still trying to chew some pwoer from the pi
[14:11] <treeherder> Jck_true: if you can't read his lines, you should just killyourself becauee you're human refuse
[14:11] <Walther> treeherder: No need to be rude there
[14:12] <Jck_true> Walther: My bad - I just read the part "have a pi + hdd = tiny"
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[14:12] <Walther> Jck_true: yeah. Thing is, i have a powered usb hub but it still powercycles / io errors every now and then, Dyskette suggested it might be still trying to grab some power from the pi
[14:13] <Walther> Another good thing is that if cutting the power cables actually works, I can make the Pi be backpwoered from the hub as well, effectively having one less cable as well
[14:13] <Walther> as the HDD is specced 800mA and pi at max 1A
[14:13] <Walther> hub specced at 2A
[14:13] <Jck_true> Walther: Yeah you can do that
[14:14] <nid0> do you have a rev2 board?
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[14:14] <Walther> at least by cutting the power pins I could make sure it is not trying to take power from the pi
[14:14] <Walther> nid0: No, model b rev1
[14:14] <Walther> I wish I had a rev2... those mounting holes would be so useful
[14:14] <Dyskette> Walther: if it doesn't work, it's still a useful diagnostic test ;)
[14:14] <Walther> Dyskette: True. That would mean the only possible solution is some sort of kernel errors
[14:15] <treeherder> also, to just put my 2 cents in one more time
[14:15] <Dyskette> Well, it would defintely narrow it down to being an issue with the pi itself, anyway
[14:15] <treeherder> backpowering isn't the best idea
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[14:17] <zleap> gordonDrogon,
[14:17] <treeherder> the most popular guy on freeenode
[14:17] <zleap> :)
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[14:18] <TeeCee> Is it correct that my pi also draws power from the regular USB-ports?
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> zleap, hi - hm. the lug IRC down?
[14:19] <TeeCee> That is, when I connected my powered USB-hub to my Pi, it booted up...
[14:19] <Viper-7> TeeCee: yup
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, not sure you need to use that clock - the patched avrdude I have doesn't need it.
[14:19] <nid0> TeeCee: yes, if your hub backfeeds power, your pi can run from it
[14:19] <nid0> assuming you have a rev2 board
[14:19] <Walther> oh, i'm not trying to backfeed :P
[14:20] <Walther> i was just thinking of, er, have the pi connected to the hub both ways
[14:20] <zleap> gordonDrogon, yup and the e-mail
[14:20] <Viper-7> TeeCee: if you have an old board (rev1) then you`ll likely pop the polyfuses by doing that, but it should be fine once they reset
[14:20] <Walther> which might work or not
[14:21] <Walther> so technically, i wouldn't be backfeeding (as in, getting power from the USB ports)
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> zleap, Ahhh... we've not changed your email over yet, have we?
[14:21] <zleap> not yet
[14:21] <Walther> and just as a disclaimer, that's not relevant to the usb hdd thing we were discussing
[14:21] <ParkerR> Dyskette, I just don't know to do. I've tried symlinks. jstest showed that /dev/input/js2 was the one responding to the controller. I tried symlinking that to /dev/js0 and /dev/input/js0 with no luck.
[14:21] <treeherder> TeeCee: Viper-7 is correct i blew my polyfuses had to put my pi in the freezer for a week
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> zleap, ok - hang on - I'll get it setup shortly and give you new details.
[14:21] <treeherder> backffeding off of an arduino
[14:21] <zleap> ok
[14:21] <zleap> np
[14:21] <Dyskette> Walther: that should work as long as the hub's power lines are disconnected from the USB
[14:22] <Viper-7> Walther: there wont be much point
[14:22] <Walther> Viper-7: will be one less cable
[14:22] <Dyskette> ParkerR: sorry, beyond my ken. It's a while since I got it working, and it was mostly following instructions from people on irc
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[14:23] <Viper-7> if your hub backfeeds power to the pi, and you have a rev2 board, then connecting both the regular power input and backfeeding from a usb port wont change anything - in fact, the regular power connection probably wont be used at all, due to the internal resistance of the polyfuse
[14:23] <Walther> Dyskette: yeah, when I get home I'll make the hub's host cable data only and see if the issue gets fixed
[14:23] <zleap> i am trying to e-mail neil from hotmail and its seriosuly slow for some reason
[14:23] <Walther> Viper-7: again, i'm not backfeeding nor thinking of backfeeding
[14:23] <Viper-7> so you will be backfeeding, and just have an extra power lead connected for no reason
[14:23] <Walther> and I don't have a rev2
[14:23] <Dyskette> Viper-7: he's thinking about attaching his powered hub to the usb with data lines only.
[14:23] <Viper-7> Walther: not intentionally, but if your hub supplys power to the source port, you dont have much choice
[14:23] <Dyskette> Viper-7: so defintely no chance of backfeeding :)
[14:23] <Viper-7> *supplies
[14:24] <Viper-7> heh, fair enough i guess
[14:24] <Viper-7> data + ground :P
[14:24] <Walther> well, D+ and D-
[14:25] <Viper-7> you should have ground with that too
[14:26] <Dyskette> Yeah, probably worth mentioning that there's no need to cut ground, and it's probably best to leave that connected too
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[14:26] <Walther> hmm
[14:26] <Walther> so only cut the 5v
[14:26] <Viper-7> usb isnt a purely differential bus, the D+ and D- lines also carry offsets to indicate device speed / usb revision
[14:27] <zleap> ok just gone to www.outlook.com, looks like something out of the dark ages LOL
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[14:29] <evilC> anyone know much about cron jobs? I am trying to make a cron entry to launch a spreadsheet, but I suspect the cron job cannot launch a GUI application or something? any ideas
[14:29] <Mortvert> okay, what
[14:29] <Mortvert> i still get errors
[14:29] <evilC> err not spreadsheet, presentation
[14:29] <Mortvert> Err http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org wheezy Release.gpg
[14:29] <Mortvert> Temporary failure resolving 'mirrordirector.raspbian.org'
[14:29] <Mortvert> Err http://archive.raspberrypi.org wheezy Release.gpg
[14:29] <Mortvert> Temporary failure resolving 'archive.raspberrypi.org'
[14:29] <Mortvert> yet i can reach it from windows box
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[14:30] <nid0> resolvers on your pi set right?
[14:31] <Mortvert> thought it was set up somehow by default?
[14:31] <nid0> check /etc/resolv.conf
[14:31] <Mortvert> it's a fresh raspbian image
[14:31] <nid0> should have at least 1 line, pointing to your lan gateway
[14:31] <Mortvert> oh great
[14:31] <nid0> if not, add
[14:31] <nid0> nameserver 208.67.222.222
[14:32] <Mortvert> yep. and i disabled the DNS cache in router
[14:32] <Mortvert> why not 8.8.8.8? google's
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[14:32] <nid0> your choice, mine's opendns
[14:32] <Mortvert> nid0 - don't i need to restart the ETH0?
[14:32] <Mortvert> Okay, no, now it works.
[14:32] <nid0> no
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[14:34] <Mortvert> Thanks nid0 o/
[14:35] <Macer> hm
[14:36] <Macer> is there a way to installl unrar-nonfree on the pi?
[14:36] <Macer> i have non-free in apt.sources
[14:36] <Macer> but i guess it isn't in the repos :-/
[14:36] <Walther> Sadly there's no GHCi in the repos either :/
[14:36] <Macer> unar doesn't work either
[14:37] <Macer> unar: symbol lookup error: unar: undefined symbol: main
[14:37] <Macer> wow
[14:37] <Mortvert> bad port is bad
[14:37] <Macer> is it possible to build unrar-nonfree?
[14:37] <Macer> or is it closed?
[14:38] <Macer> it is a real pain to use another machine to do what i should be able to do on the same box from a shell :)
[14:38] <Mortvert> well, aren't nonfree always closed?
[14:38] <Macer> i just figured some may have incompatible licenses
[14:39] <Triffid_Hunter> Mortvert: no, patent encumbered, disagreeable license, no binary distribution allowed, etc
[14:39] <frikinz> what about unrar-free ?
[14:39] <Viper-7> Macer: top hit for `raspberry-pi unrar`
[14:39] <Viper-7> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=151313
[14:40] <Viper-7> seems to explain it nicely
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[14:40] <nid0> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/3617/how-to-install-unrar-nonfree also seems to give you a guide
[14:40] <Viper-7> http://blog.dasrecht.net/2012/11/24/installing-unrar-on-raspberrypi/
[14:40] <frikinz> hum ok now debian has unrar-free and unrar (the latter being the nonfree)
[14:40] <Viper-7> theres the top 3 hits from google
[14:40] <Viper-7> #raspberrypi is now officially a search engine :P
[14:41] <Macer> thanks
[14:41] <Macer> Viper-7: might want to add a !google option to a bot :-P
[14:41] <Mortvert> Any of you knows where pcsxr holds the bios?
[14:41] <Mortvert> (from apt-get)
[14:42] <Macer> why is unrar-free so non-functional?
[14:42] <Macer> heh
[14:42] <Viper-7> Macer: i`d join my bot in here (after spinning it up on my pi of course :P), but its against the rules i think
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[14:44] <axion> Macer: 7z does rar too quite well as it does others
[14:44] <Macer> axion: ah ok. yeah might try that instaed of unrar.. but i'm already in teh process of installing it
[14:45] <Macer> unrar-free doesn't support multipart archives it seems
[14:45] <Macer> that's a bit fail :)
[14:45] <axion> it might be the p7zip package on raspbian, idk
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[14:45] <ssorg> I have a problem running a script in cron with vcgencmd (to measure temp), but it thows this error: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4975375
[14:45] <ssorg> The script works fine through the shell
[14:47] <axion> ssorg: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib vcgencmd <command>, or change your ld.so.conf and update it
[14:47] <ssorg> does anyone know what I could do to fix this? I've added "include /opt/vc/lib/" to /etc/ld.so.conf, but it didn't seem to do anything
[14:47] <ssorg> whoops, didn't mean to say that first part, forgot to backspace...
[14:47] <axion> the first option then...its a bug upstream
[14:48] <axion> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib vcgencmd measure_temp
[14:48] <ssorg> okay, I'll try that, thanks
[14:48] <axion> just export the envvar in your shell profile
[14:49] <ssorg> I do have "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARYPATH:/opt/vc/lib" in my bashrc
[14:49] <ParkerR> ssorg, source ~/.bashrc
[14:50] <ParkerR> Then try the script again
[14:52] <frikinz> include /opt/vc/lib is wrong, this is for including a .conf . should be /opt/vc/lib
[14:53] <SwK> ssorg: if you use the ld.so.conf way you dont use the include directive, you just put the directory with the libs in there??? else on raspbian, just create a file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ like this echo "/opt/vc/lib" > /etc/ld.so.conf.d/vc.conf
[14:53] <SwK> ssorg: then ldconfig
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[14:53] <SwK> then run your program
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[14:55] <ssorg> ParkerR: I don't have source, is it in a common package (I'm running Arch)
[14:57] <SwK> ssorg: man source
[14:58] <ParkerR> SwK, He said he doesnt have it. ssorg: was the export line ALREADY in .bashrc?
[14:58] <frikinz> type -f source
[14:58] <Macer> what is kworker?
[14:58] <Macer> 23696 root 20 0 0 0 0 R 47.0 0.0 0:24.25 kworker/0:1
[14:59] <ssorg> ParkerR: I added the export line
[14:59] <ParkerR> "Kworker is what controls the ACPI wakeup signals from the BIOS."
[14:59] <doomy> but 'source' is a shell directive, not a command
[14:59] <ParkerR> ssorg, Ok now reboot or logout and back in
[14:59] <Macer> ParkerR: didn't think pi had acpi
[15:00] <ParkerR> I dont think it does
[15:00] <Macer> then why is it there eating up 47% of my cpu? :)
[15:00] <doomy> you have to 'man bash' to got source's doc
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[15:03] <ssorg> ParkerR: rebooted, and stil throws the error
[15:03] <ParkerR> Macer, That may be one of the main threads
[15:03] <ParkerR> Also seeing mention of it being "kernel worker thread"
[15:03] <ParkerR> I think kinda like svchost on windows
[15:04] <ssorg> axion: If I use LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib vcgencmd measure_temp, do I replace the command with $LD_LIBRARY_PATH when I call it?
[15:04] <axion> huh?
[15:04] <axion> that is verbatim
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[15:08] <treeherder> gordon i've made more progress, but something queer is happeneing
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> ?
[15:09] <treeherder> i eddited my boards.txt to include the standalone 328p-pu with all the right magic numbers, etc
[15:09] <treeherder> but i don't think i'm using your gpio protocol correctly
[15:09] <treeherder> for the programmer
[15:09] <treeherder> because i am getting this complex error atthe end saying "are you sure you've selected the correct com port?"
[15:09] <treeherder> when, as we know, there isn't a com port involved with gpIo programmer
[15:10] <treeherder> D:
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> indeed. sure you have the right version of avrdude?
[15:10] <treeherder> i just got all this stuff together last night
[15:10] <treeherder> it works for theuno board
[15:10] <treeherder> or any other board
[15:10] <treeherder> would you be willing to check my entry
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[15:11] <ssorg> axion: I added that line, but when run from cron, it complains "command not found" for vcgencmd (in the line I added)
[15:11] <ssorg> It still runs fine from the shell
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> ok
[15:13] <treeherder> http://ideone.com/yCVB88
[15:13] <treeherder> s my entry
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[15:14] <ssorg> is there any other way to get the temperature of the box?
[15:16] <ParkerR> ssorg, What does the cron line look like?
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[15:17] <frikinz> put the complete path to vcgencmd
[15:17] <Macer> heh
[15:18] <treeherder> gordonDrogon: did you see my link
[15:18] <Macer> i think the repo needs to be replaced as far as the name goes
[15:18] <Macer> maybe non-open
[15:18] <Macer> ?
[15:18] <Macer> UNRAR 4.10 freeware Copyright (c) 1993-2012 Alexander Roshal
[15:18] <Macer> because it's obviously "free"
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, ok, got it. can you confirm you have the version of avrdude I built?
[15:18] <treeherder> yes
[15:18] <ParkerR> Macer, Use the just plain unrar
[15:18] <ssorg> ParkerR: 5 * * * * /home/eric/scripts/checktemp.sh
[15:18] <Macer> non-gnu ? heh
[15:18] <frikinz> freeware!=free
[15:18] <treeherder> i installed it last night
[15:18] <treeherder> avrsetup works fine
[15:18] <treeherder> etc etc
[15:19] <Macer> frikinz: free doesn't = free? :)
[15:19] <Macer> maybe non-gnu.. non-lic ?
[15:19] <ParkerR> ssorg, Ok in that script put the complete path to vcgencmd
[15:19] <ssorg> ParkerR: This is the script: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4975381
[15:19] <ParkerR> INstead of just vcgencmd
[15:19] <Macer> ParkerR: i was able to download and build from src using a repo and install it.... seems pretty free to me
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[15:20] <treeherder> gordonDrogon: i appended this to the same boards.txt i found your gertboard entries in, using them as a template
[15:20] <treeherder> important note: burning the bootloader worked fine
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[15:20] <ssorg> ParkerR: Unless I'm missing somthing, I have it in the script as the full path
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, ok - looking at it now. but I've no idea about the bootlaoder sectiuon. I don't use it.
[15:21] <ParkerR> Macer, No I mean in the repos there is unrar and unrar-free. The just plain unrar uses some proprietary code or soemthing. Don't remember exactrly
[15:21] <ParkerR> *something
[15:22] <Macer> ParkerR: unrar-nonfree is not in the repo
[15:22] <Holden> Hi guys, I've written a small cli program to make a voice call between two rpis (or two linux boxes in general). Would someone be interested in testing it? (you will need a usb sound card connected to your rpi)
[15:22] <Macer> you have to add dep-src and build the deb yourself
[15:22] <ExeciN> I am trying to follow this guide http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-5-using-a-console-cable/test-and-configure but there is no cu.PL* in /dev what am I doing wrong?
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[15:22] <Macer> which is the one i just pasted that said "freeware"
[15:22] <ParkerR> Macer, Plain unrar is nonfree
[15:22] <Macer> yet the repo is named non-free heh
[15:22] <ParkerR> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=unrar
[15:22] <frikinz> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/u/unrar-nonfree/current/copyright
[15:22] <Macer> ParkerR: i know
[15:23] <Macer> but just because it isn't OPEN doesn't make it nonfree
[15:23] <Macer> or just because the license conflicts with the gnu
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, ok, so you need /etc/avrdude.conf - did you patch that for the Pi's GPIO first?
[15:23] <Macer> it is still for all intents and purposes free
[15:23] <treeherder> no
[15:23] <treeherder> probably now
[15:23] <treeherder> not
[15:23] <treeherder> gordonDrogon: please elucidate
[15:23] <mjr> it's free for _quite limited intents and purposes_
[15:24] <mjr> which is the point
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[15:24] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, well you're not going to be able to use avrdude on the Pi via GPIo without it. that's pretty fundamental. I thought you'd done al lthis as you indicated you'd already used it. I was just checking.
[15:24] <mjr> apropos unar is a free unarchiver that can unpack rars, not sure if it's in raspbian
[15:25] <treeherder> where in the ocnf do i edit it
[15:25] <treeherder> conf
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[15:25] <Macer> mjr: it's still free
[15:25] <Macer> heh
[15:25] <ssorg> Does anyone have any other ideas for what I can do to fix this problem, or get the temperature of my pi?
[15:25] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, /etc/avrdude.conf - it may have been installed with avrdude though.
[15:25] <gordonDrogon> ssorg, google get pi temperature - there are several ways.
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> ssorg, type: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
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[15:26] <treeherder> i thought avrdude.conf was in /usr/share/arduino/hardware/tools/avrdude.conf
[15:26] <treeherder> or something
[15:26] <treeherder> are they different
[15:26] <mjr> Macer, and you're still just playing word games
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, I've no idea.
[15:26] <treeherder> k that's where it is for me
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, it's 6 months since I did all this .
[15:26] <treeherder> lol but it's a huge file
[15:27] <treeherder> what am i doing here?
[15:27] <treeherder> editing the 328 section to say what?
[15:27] <ParkerR> Macer, Free in this context does not refer to money
[15:27] <ssorg> gordonDrogon: Right now I've been having trouble with vcgencmd, but I'll look for other methods
[15:27] <ParkerR> It refers to how open it is
[15:27] <axion> ssorg: cat /sys/devices/virtual/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[15:27] <treeherder> i thought this would have been covered in getting everyhting else t use gpio as programmer
[15:27] <mjr> doesn't even refer to openness as such, but to freedom
[15:27] <frikinz> ssorg: did you put LD_LIBRARY and full path? if yes, what is the error message?
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[15:27] <treeherder> i don't know if i mentioned -- but i can program my UNO using rpi gpio no problem
[15:28] <frikinz> ssorg: yeah, do with a "cat"
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[15:28] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, ok, that's good it's probably setup ok then. I just wantec to check.
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[15:28] <treeherder> everyhting that you included in the arduino pkg works fine
[15:28] <treeherder> i just want to add this one board
[15:28] <treeherder> and have it work tooooooooo
[15:29] <treeherder> lol
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[15:29] <gordonDrogon> ssorg, if you have "problems" with that, then your Pi is not setup correctly, or its broken. These commands work OK under Raspbian for me.
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> treeherder, I'm sort of pushed for time right now. Please read the datasheet to work out the right fuses for your device.
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[15:30] <treeherder> i'm past that part, i'll just bug you some other time, i guess... i's an issue with recognizing the programmer at this point
[15:30] <treeherder> as far as i can tell
[15:30] <treeherder> thanks for your patience thought
[15:30] <treeherder> though*
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[15:31] <treeherder> nope, i fixed it
[15:32] <treeherder> well sort of
[15:32] <treeherder> lol
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[15:39] <treeherder> gordonDrogon: i got it working.. i needed to add the line about flushing serial to boards.txt
[15:39] <treeherder> thanks for letting me pester you
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[15:40] <ssorg> axion: it worked with the cat /sys/devices/... line you gave me. Thanks!
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[15:41] <axion> sure it is faster in a script too as it doesnt load any libraries dynamically and just fetches the temp already exposed to userland from the kernel
[15:43] <ssorg> axion: Yeah it will be better since I'm calling it so much
[15:43] <axion> why so much?
[15:45] <ssorg> Well, I figured if I check every 5 minutes to see if the temperature gets too high I can get it shut down before it gets too high to cause damage (at first I was going to do 30 min, but I thought I should check more often)
[15:45] <ssorg> Do you think it is too much?
[15:45] <ParkerR> ssorg, Unless it's hitting 80c+ you are fine
[15:46] <IT_Sean> it should also shut itself off before it gets hot enough to do damage.
[15:46] <IT_Sean> doesn't it have a cutoff?
[15:46] <Mortvert> woop
[15:46] <ParkerR> IT_Sean, I believe it does
[15:46] <Mortvert> recycled RS case to be a housing for my pi
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[15:46] * IT_Sean is fairly sure it does
[15:47] <ssorg> IT_Sean: Would it have to be in root's crontab then?
[15:47] <IT_Sean> wot?
[15:47] <ssorg> To shut it down
[15:47] <IT_Sean> are you referring to the auto overtemp cutoff?
[15:48] <IT_Sean> if so... that's not controlled by the OS.
[15:48] <SwK> dwc_otg.speed=1 FTW!
[15:48] <Mortvert> IT_Sean - it would have to be a script, right?
[15:48] <ssorg> Oh, you're saying it will automatically shut off if it gets too hot? I misread
[15:48] <Mortvert> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[15:49] <SwK> IT_Sean: do you know the upper thermal limit of the polyfuse?
[15:49] <IT_Sean> no idea
[15:49] <IT_Sean> it's also not a specific point
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[15:49] <ssorg> I thought you meant I would need to add a something to my script to shut my pi down if it got too hot. If I were to do that, would I need to add it to root's crontab?
[15:50] <IT_Sean> the sensitivity of the poly fuse is based on a number of factors, including but not limited to ambient temp and the number of times you've tripped it in the past
[15:50] <IT_Sean> ssorg: you do not need to add anything
[15:51] <ParkerR> ssorg, The hardware has a failsafe if the temperature gets too high
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[15:56] <Macer> wtf
[15:56] <Mortvert> is 45.5 C degrees fine?
[15:57] <Mortvert> (It's running in the plasic case from RS
[15:57] <Mortvert> (No ventilation holes made
[15:57] <Mortvert> )
[15:57] <ParkerR> Mortvert, Yes
[15:58] <ParkerR> That's about wha mine runs just open
[15:58] <ParkerR> *what
[15:58] <Mortvert> Well, i recycled the plasic case that PI comes in when you order from RS
[15:58] <Mortvert> Made two holes, ethernet/power. Didn't do anything else
[15:58] <Mortvert> It looks nice. And the "case" is stable enough
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[16:14] <Mortvert> How can i stop my resolf.conf from switching from a remote DNS (8.8.8.8) to my router?
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[16:20] <Mortvert> Yep. Made few holes, instantly better. \o/
[16:24] <frikinz> Mortvert: you can by having a line in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf like this: supersede domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8;
[16:24] <nid0> or add them to your interfaces file
[16:26] <frikinz> correct although I don't remember how. with a post up ? or a dns line?
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[16:27] <nid0> hm never mind your way's easier
[16:27] <frikinz> ah yeh a nameserver line but this needs resolvconf
[16:27] <nid0> i'm used to being able to set it via
[16:27] <nid0> dns-nameservers x.x.x.x
[16:27] <nid0> but it needs resolvconf, not provided normally with raspbian
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[16:53] <Davespice> hey folks; this is pretty cool, especially for you xbmc people; http://shop.pimoroni.com/collections/pibow/products/pibow-vesa-mount-layer
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[17:30] <Mortvert> Rawr. Can't compile synchronet :(
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[18:31] <Hopsy> its time toooo
[18:31] <Hopsy> Netsplit!
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[18:41] <hobo> hi regen
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[18:52] <liquidee> hello
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[18:55] <liquidee> i have a problem with powering up my RPI - i was unable to successfuly power it through my laptop's USB port, so i bought a 5V, 1A adapter. When i connect my RPI to it, the red PWR diode flashes. Any idea what could cause that?
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[18:56] <hobo> led you mean, umm what kind of adapter is it?
[18:56] <hobo> does it just always stay flashing?
[18:56] <Mortvert> Hm
[18:56] <Mortvert> This case seems to hold my pi at 50 celcius.
[18:56] <liquidee> it stays flashing
[18:57] <liquidee> when i power it up from laptops usb port it boots ok
[18:57] <liquidee> <almost ok>
[18:57] <Ivotkl> Hello everyone. I would like to know if you could provide me with RS's e-mail address or phone number as I've ordered something to them 2 weeks ago and never heard a thing from them since I received purchase confirmation email.
[18:57] <hobo> it shouldn't be able to power from laptop usb
[18:57] <zleap> gordonDrogon, wb
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[18:58] <hobo> i'm going to say it's not getting enough power, do you have a multimeter?
[18:58] <Mortvert> hobo - noone follows the specs for USB max amperage iirc
[18:58] <IT_Sean> liquidee: might be a crap charger
[18:58] <hobo> ^
[18:58] <liquidee> i think it is, but i dont know what might be wrong with it
[18:59] <Mortvert> pulse charger, perhaps?
[18:59] <Ivotkl> Anyone?
[18:59] <IT_Sean> I would try a different charger, one that is known to be compatable.
[18:59] <mjr> well, a USB host isn't _required_ to stop at 500mA so going over is not really breaking the spec. There were some safety limits but not in the immediate vicinity where the Pi lies.
[18:59] <Mortvert> Ivotkl - it's on the site
[19:00] <IT_Sean> I have successfully booted my raspi off of an iPad charger (note, the iPad one looks identical to the iPod one, but has a higher rating, the iPod one won't work) as well as a Nexus 4 charger.
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[19:00] <liquidee> Mortvert: i think that might be the case. How i can determine if it is a pulse charger?
[19:01] <hobo> oscilloscope?
[19:01] <liquidee> http://www.sklep.lechpol.pl/towar/7585 -> sorry for the polish lang but im afraid that it is a polish product :P
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[19:01] <jacekowski> liquidee: it is
[19:01] <regen> cd ..
[19:01] <regen> :$
[19:02] <jacekowski> liquidee: anything like that is switchmode
[19:02] <jacekowski> liquidee: proper transformer stuff would be much bigger and heavier
[19:02] <Ivotkl> Mortvert: I apologise, but I can't seem to find it. =(
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[19:02] <liquidee> jacekowski: so i guess it uses some kind of transistors to create DC with much pulsation?
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[19:05] <Zopiac> How can I get ipv4 on raspi arch? Router I'm connected to doesn't have ipv6 support
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[19:05] <Zopiac> I've tried disabling ipv6 via /boot/cmdline but that cuts out all attempts to connect to a network
[19:06] <Dagger2> you don't need to disable ipv6 support to use ipv4
[19:06] <Ivotkl> Is it RaspberryPi@rswww.com?
[19:06] <Zopiac> network service status complains about no ipv6 support from the router and I don't get a connection after that
[19:06] <Ivotkl> That's the sender of my message.
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[19:07] <Dagger2> yeah, but the "no ipv6 support" message is harmless (except it means you have no ipv6, but other than that)
[19:07] <Zopiac> ok
[19:08] <Zopiac> disabling ipv6 shouldn't disable 4 though right?
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[19:08] <Dagger2> right
[19:08] <MrKeuner> hello, is dist-upgrade good enough? I remember a pi-update or something like that...
[19:08] <Zopiac> once I add ipv6-disable=1 to /boot/cmdline running 'ip addr' shows only lo, and not eth0
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[19:09] <Ivotkl> Ok, so it definitely was RaspberryPi@rswww.com. Thanks.
[19:10] <Dagger2> that's because eth0 then has no addresses. it'll presumably show up in `ifconfig -a`
[19:10] <Zopiac> yup
[19:10] <MrKeuner> ah ok, rpi-update it was... for updating the firmware
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[19:18] <Zopiac> 'cannot assign requested address' is the primary error I get upon investigating 'systemctl status network'
[19:18] <regen> if i have a simple button with 4 (!?!?) legs, wich legs are connected and wich legs will be connected/unconnected when i press the button?:S
[19:18] <regen> any way to know?=/
[19:18] <IT_Sean> depends on the button
[19:19] <regen> oki, to bad, but thanks!
[19:19] <regen> why do they put 4 legs on them in the first place?:(
[19:20] <Zopiac> put a multimeter up to it and see which are electrically connected when you press the button
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[19:21] <regen> i would, but it's my dad's old, his words: "it's a bit glitchy, but works fine!"
[19:21] <Zopiac> What I've seen is that two legs tend to be grounded (probably for module stability more than any electrical reason)
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[19:22] <regen> yeah, i would have guessed on stability too
[19:23] <regen> there are some text under it but waaaay to hard for me to read:P
[19:23] <Zopiac> got a loupe?
[19:23] <regen> dont know what it is, so i guess no?=/
[19:23] <Zopiac> magnifier
[19:23] <regen> ahhhh
[19:23] <regen> no
[19:24] <Zopiac> http://www.belomo.us/images/belomo-10x-triplet-loupe-magnifier-crystal.gif
[19:24] <Zopiac> I assume people have them but that might be because I'm a hobbiest :P
[19:25] <regen> Im just starting with this and begin to realize all the things needed to make this pain free:P
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[19:25] <regen> multimeter, solder, loupe etc
[19:25] <regen> steady hands....
[19:25] <Zopiac> hate to bust your bubble, but I think pain-free is impossible to achieve
[19:25] <IT_Sean> lol
[19:26] <regen> hehe, well, as pain free as possible then:)
[19:26] <regen> i spent a whole night cursing my led that didnt want to work only to realize it wasnt a led the next day=/
[19:26] <Zopiac> at some point down your list of things to achieve to obtain a pain-free setting you'll be rewriting some assembly code muttering about some failure in the linux kernel
[19:27] <AeroNotix> Zopiac: and you've done that, right?
[19:27] <AeroNotix> right
[19:27] <IT_Sean> regen: what was it? O_o
[19:27] <Zopiac> let
[19:27] <Zopiac> let's just say I'm avoiding that in my attempt to get an internet connectiong right now
[19:27] <IT_Sean> O_o
[19:27] <regen> some kind of light ressistor
[19:27] <AeroNotix> ldr?
[19:28] <AeroNotix> regen: ldr?
[19:28] <regen> i dont know, but the hardware guys at work laught at me:P
[19:28] <AeroNotix> Naturally
[19:28] <Zopiac> basic response really
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[19:29] <regen> it looked like a led except the legs was equally long=/
[19:29] <AeroNotix> Sometimes it's easy to mix things up. LEDs and LDRs on not on that list.
[19:29] <AeroNotix> regen: show pics, then
[19:29] <AeroNotix> s/on not/are not/
[19:29] <MrKeuner> I have a problem with hosting two ssh servers on home network. They both run on port 22 but one of them is connected to port 62 on the WAN side. When doing ssh from a third machine (currently in LAN) I get warning that there is an Offending key for IP. Can I resolve this issue without disabling this alert?
[19:29] <Zopiac> translucent plastic end node or a wavy coil thing?
[19:30] <MrKeuner> sorry this must be off topic here, I'll ask somewhere else
[19:30] <IT_Sean> MrKeuner: is this related to a RaspberryPi?
[19:30] <AeroNotix> MrKeuner: You don't really have ssh 'servers'
[19:30] <IT_Sean> Off topic is okay... I'm just curious.
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[19:30] <regen> i dont have a pics and no easy way uploading pics...
[19:30] <AeroNotix> MrKeuner: you run ssh services
[19:30] <regen> but it have short legs
[19:31] <MrKeuner> IT_Sean, yes, raspberry is running on 62
[19:31] <regen> about 1 cm
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[19:31] <regen> or less
[19:31] <regen> white
[19:31] <AeroNotix> regen: k. Get a book.
[19:31] <Zopiac> leg length is just accessibility, doesn't really lend to the identification of LED vs LDR
[19:31] <MrKeuner> AeroNotix, I would think an ssh daemon is a ssh connection server
[19:31] <Zopiac> either one could have 5cm leads or be soldered directly to a board
[19:31] <regen> well, it's kinda hard to google or describe such a simple thing with no text on
[19:32] <AeroNotix> MrKeuner: right - but thinking of it like a server is like 'centralizing' it for your whle network.
[19:32] <AeroNotix> MrKeuner: it's a minor, point.
[19:32] <Zopiac> translucent plastic end node or a wavy coil thing regen?
[19:32] <regen> translucent
[19:32] <Zopiac> Sounds LED to me
[19:32] <regen> maybe something requiring a high voltage then
[19:32] <regen> it didnt even glow for me=/
[19:33] <regen> higer*
[19:33] <regen> higher
[19:33] <Zopiac> might be burnt out
[19:33] <IT_Sean> sounds like a toasted LED
[19:33] <regen> i thought so to, but i have a whole bag at home=/
[19:33] <Zopiac> I know I've 'sploded a few LEDs before
[19:33] <regen> from a cource in school i never started
[19:33] <IT_Sean> 'sploding LEDs is fun
[19:33] <IT_Sean> 'sploding caps is funner
[19:34] <Zopiac> unless it's your last LED
[19:34] <IT_Sean> meh... LEDs are cheap.
[19:34] <ParkerR> Hey hey
[19:34] <IT_Sean> you can buy a small bucket of them for pocket change
[19:34] <Zopiac> I guess, this was back when I didn't have a means of transportation to go buy them though :P
[19:35] <ParkerR> Click click instead of zoom zoom :P
[19:35] <IT_Sean> o_O
[19:35] <ParkerR> Online is so much cheaper for stuff like that
[19:35] <Zopiac> I got my LEDs from dissecting CD drives and taking out their activity indicators
[19:35] <regen> not if your just buying a few leds:)
[19:35] <AeroNotix> how expensive
[19:35] <Zopiac> Well no ten-year-old has a card to buy online
[19:35] <ParkerR> There are some
[19:35] <Zopiac> I had a good two dozen old disk drives though
[19:36] <ParkerR> Kids these days... XD
[19:36] <Zopiac> any way, no matter
[19:36] <IT_Sean> LEDs should be bought in bulk. The packaging costs more than the LED does, if you buy a small number. You need to buy 'em by the pint. :p
[19:36] <hobo> yeah just buy a couple hundred :D
[19:36] <hobo> make cool led boxes
[19:36] <Zopiac> I should get a bunch of parts, I haven't even started trying to use my raspi for those things yet
[19:36] <Zopiac> suggestions for sites?
[19:37] <hobo> where do you live?
[19:37] <Zopiac> US
[19:37] <hobo> ebay has cheap LEDs
[19:37] <IT_Sean> ebay prices are usually inflated.
[19:37] <hobo> and www.dx.com has a ton of electronics
[19:38] <Zopiac> never heard of this site
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[19:38] <hobo> yeah, really depends on how long you want to wait for parts, sometimes i wait like 2 months
[19:38] <hobo> oh man, dx is great, it's pretty much just a ton of cheap stuff from china
[19:38] <Zopiac> ooh solar powered turn table
[19:38] <regen> cooool
[19:39] <Zopiac> laser diodes, woo
[19:39] <hobo> be warned, the cheap price reflects the quality usually
[19:39] <Zopiac> yeah, I deal with plenty of chinese knockoffs :P
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[19:42] <Zopiac> solar panel flashlight, looks too small to have a battery
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[19:43] <Zopiac> looks like it's a simple panel -> button -> light circuit... light redirection? aka high-tech reflector?
[19:43] <IT_Sean> ahh... yes... the pleasure of buying cheaply made chinese knockoffs that work for two minutes. :p
[19:43] <hobo> ^
[19:43] <hobo> probably just charges a capacitor
[19:44] <zleap> gordonDrogon, you there
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[19:44] <Zopiac> I'm into fountain pens and get most of my pens from chinese markets, most are pretty good but my latest one had a dragon-shaped clip which broke within a few hours
[19:44] <hobo> knockoff mont blancs? :P
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[19:44] <Zopiac> Actually they've been pretty unique so far, except for Parker 51 knockoffs
[19:45] <Zopiac> what was also fun was getting a webcam for $3 that came with the USB plug not soldered to the wire
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[19:45] <Zopiac> the cords just kind of rested on the back end of the connector plates
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[19:46] <hobo> im excited for the new rpi camera
[19:47] <Zopiac> still debating getting one when it comes out
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[19:48] <Zopiac> There are tons of uses for it, but I'm not sure I have a proper excuse for getting one
[19:48] <hobo> porch cam
[19:48] <Zopiac> Maybe the next time one of our barn cats has kittens I'll set up the raspi connected to the webcam and external hard drive to record kitten-cam
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[19:49] <Zopiac> maybe wireless it to my desktop if I get a wireless repeater
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[19:51] <Hodapp> friend of mine hooked a GPS up to his cat to see what the critter was doing all day when he'd wander off and return hours later
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[19:52] <Zopiac> mine would just keep running between the hayloft and food dish
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> zleap, Hello!
[19:53] <Zopiac> 20pc LEDs for $2.30 is the best I see at dx.com
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[19:57] <hobo> i think that's an average price, could probably find cheaper if you really wanted to search around i guess
[19:58] <Hodapp> Zopiac: got any recommendations for fountain pens that don't break in hours?
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[19:59] <Zopiac> My main pen for half a year has been a Hero 300, got it for like $5 and works perfectly
[19:59] <Zopiac> can't find one on ebay right now though
[20:00] <Zopiac> it has two small dents and the finish on the end is just barely rubbing off, but I use the end to put hard creases in paper
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[20:01] <Zopiac> in fact I can't even find a picture of it online
[20:02] <Zopiac> this saddens me because I wanted to buy another one or two
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[20:11] <Hodapp> wonder if DX has any fountain pens..
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[20:15] <treeherder> fountain pens?
[20:15] <treeherder> like a real one
[20:15] <treeherder> or a cheap=o one/
[20:15] <treeherder> cheap-o one
[20:15] <treeherder> ?
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[20:18] <Zopiac> All the chinese ones I've gotten so far have been metal-body
[20:18] <Zopiac> $4 pens with better build quality than western $40 pens
[20:19] <Zopiac> except for my latest one, the clip was some weird metal composite that was probably needed for the detailed molding of the dragon
[20:19] <hobo> i thought the main thing was looking at decent tips
[20:19] <hobo> for better ink flow
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[20:20] <Zopiac> nibs are important for smooth writing, feeds are important for good flow, but I don't want a pen that will get crushed in my pocket
[20:20] <hobo> fair enough
[20:20] <Zopiac> in fact that drago one has one of the best nibs I've used, as smooth as my expensive Waterman fountain pen
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[20:25] <treeherder> i'm sorever a fan of paying a few extra bucks
[20:25] <Zopiac> I've used a number of Jinhao, Hero, Duke, and Baoer pens, which are present on dc
[20:25] <treeherder> i've only ever had one fountian pen
[20:25] <Zopiac> dx*
[20:25] <treeherder> by cross
[20:25] <Zopiac> I've had a cross pen but didn't like it
[20:25] <treeherder> and i hope to only h= ever have one more
[20:25] <treeherder> by monte blanc
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[20:26] <Zopiac> I'm saving up for a Namiki Falcon
[20:26] <treeherder> i love the flow of my cross pen
[20:26] <treeherder> and the weight
[20:26] <Zopiac> soft gold nib, resin body, Japanese make <3
[20:26] <treeherder> the silver is really nice to hold
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[20:28] <treeherder> pens are an individual thing i think
[20:28] <treeherder> i have gotten great pleasure form bc medium point ball point pens
[20:28] <treeherder> from* bic*
[20:28] <treeherder> sorry my keyboard sucks
[20:29] <treeherder> what style of nib do you like, Zopiac ? are you a colligrapher or something
[20:29] <treeherder> calligrapher
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[20:29] <Zopiac> I prefer stub italics and flex pens, but for everyday writing I use a medium stiff nib
[20:30] <Zopiac> My newest pen hasn't seen much use because it's a broad nib, so I can't fit a whole lot on a sticky note (of which I use plenty in a day's time)
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[20:32] <Zopiac> I'm no professional but I do have plenty of fun with calligraphy
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[20:33] <Zopiac> here's my constant-use pen's nib http://i.imgur.com/IowuP.png
[20:33] <Alpha> iridium-coated eh?
[20:34] <Zopiac> Yup, pretty good for a cheap chinese knockoff pen
[20:34] <bertrik> use of a fountain pen was mandatory when I learned to write
[20:34] <Zopiac> They're really getting better at this
[20:34] <Zopiac> bertrik, nobody I had met in my schools had ever even seen a fountain pen in real life before until I started growing my collection
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[20:35] <Zopiac> http://i.imgur.com/P2M4T.jpg
[20:35] <Zopiac> I might be addicted
[20:36] <cody_> whats wrong with you?
[20:36] <Zopiac> I get a bit obsessive about things
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[20:36] <Hodapp> ...how about a picture of some actual writing you've done with the pens?
[20:37] <Zopiac> I don't take many pictures of those
[20:37] <Zopiac> this might be my best example http://i.imgur.com/TiI9n.png
[20:37] <Alpha> Zopiac - i think you'd break my arms if you could see my handwriting
[20:37] <Hodapp> I have a fair collection of cameras but practically no pictures of the cameras themselves >_>
[20:37] <Zopiac> http://i.imgur.com/v3qIM.jpg
[20:38] <Alpha> (dysgraphic, i can write but it's horribly disfigured)
[20:38] <Zopiac> what's that? I can't hear you over the sound of my blackletter fonts
[20:38] <treeherder> i don't have particularly GOOD hadwriting
[20:38] <treeherder> but it's unique
[20:38] <treeherder> and i like the lines in it
[20:39] <treeherder> i often get compliments
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[20:39] <treeherder> before people realize they can't actually read it
[20:39] <Zopiac> heh
[20:39] <treeherder> it's sort of spidering
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[20:39] <Zopiac> I would just spend class periods bored throughout grade school and I'd make myself learn a new hand or modify an old one
[20:39] <treeherder> long across the page and short in depth of vertical strokes
[20:39] <treeherder> looping letters and whatnot
[20:40] <Zopiac> I don't have a single perfect handwriting but I have a large repertoire of decent-looking hands
[20:40] <treeherder> Zopiac: i would just read novels under the desk
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[20:40] <Zopiac> I'd do drafting reading and practice
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[20:42] <Zopiac> I've got a scribble hand, legible one, modified cursive, scripty, semi-scripty, plus a bunch of other ones like Spencerian, Schwabacher ("old english"/gothic), copperplate
[20:43] <Zopiac> haven't been able to perfect the loopy girly handwriting that I always admired though (I'm no girl though, which might be the problem)
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[20:45] <treeherder> Zopiac: it's all in the writ
[20:45] <treeherder> wrist
[20:45] <treeherder> lol the first one is punny though
[20:46] <Zopiac> I do finger-writing instead of arm-writing (some call it writing vs. drawing words)
[20:46] <Zopiac> can't remember which is which though, I think finger-writing is considered drawing
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[20:46] <treeherder> for loops, i know you gotta move a lot fo your body
[20:46] <treeherder> think of yourself as zoro
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[20:47] <_ember> Did someone had problems with wiringPiI2CReadReg8 returning -1, even though wiringPiI2CSetup return 11?
[20:47] <_ember> errno after wiringPiI2CSetup is 9, which is EBADF (Bad file number)
[20:48] <_ember> *this errno is after calling wiringPiI2CReadReg8 , not wiringPiI2CSetup
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[20:53] <Zopiac> I still have to get internet working on this thing
[20:53] <Zopiac> Since I brought it here to the office I haven't been able to get it to connect
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[20:56] <treeherder> Zopiac: waht thing
[20:56] <treeherder> the rpi?
[20:56] <Zopiac> yeah
[20:56] <treeherder> i have crazy issues getting linux to connect to some commercial cisco routers
[20:56] <Zopiac> We're using a linksys with Tomato on it
[20:57] <treeherder> have you hooked it up hardwire
[20:57] <Zopiac> no, it's on the other side of the building. It's being run through a switch up here to the front office
[20:57] <treeherder> so no where to plug the pi in at all?
[20:58] <Zopiac> It's hooked up via ethernet
[20:58] <Zopiac> just not directly to the router
[20:58] <treeherder> what happnes when you iwlist scan
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[20:58] <Zopiac> and I'm not about to hook up everything on the other side of the building and scale a wall to access the router directly
[20:59] <Zopiac> "interface doesn't support scanning"
[20:59] <treeherder> well if it's hardiwred it shouldnt amtter any more than that
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[20:59] <Zopiac> for lo, eth0, ifb0, and ifb1
[20:59] <treeherder> not suprising if it's ethernet cable
[20:59] <treeherder> sorry there is a delay between when i talk and whe i resd
[20:59] <Zopiac> all right, understandable
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[21:00] <Zopiac> systemctl status network.service replies with an error "eth: sendmsg: Cannot assign requested address"
[21:00] <treeherder> sounds like
[21:00] <treeherder> maybe a static IP vs DHCP issue
[21:00] <Mortvert> Hmmm
[21:00] <Mortvert> Is it fine if my pi hangs about 50c degrees?
[21:01] <Mortvert> The case raised the temp per 5 celcius
[21:01] <Zopiac> not sure how to request a DHCP address from systemd
[21:01] <treeherder> that's HOT
[21:01] <Zopiac> quite hot
[21:01] <treeherder> dhcpclient
[21:01] <treeherder> i think
[21:01] <treeherder> ... havent done cli wireless in a while
[21:01] <Mortvert> 50 is hot?
[21:01] <treeherder> or internet at all
[21:01] <Zopiac> that did it, treeherder
[21:01] <treeherder> 50c is hot
[21:01] <treeherder> <3
[21:02] <treeherder> i helped somebody!!!!!
[21:02] <Zopiac> yay!
[21:02] * treeherder goes back under his bridge
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[21:02] <Zopiac> I didn't have this problem at my home nor at my girlfriend's house (and they have a wonky router setup) so this kind of boggled me
[21:02] <treeherder> i started using *nix for everyhting about a year ago
[21:03] <treeherder> and i sued to run into all kinds of crazy routers
[21:03] <treeherder> some are still intractable
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[21:03] <treeherder> used to run*
[21:03] <Zopiac> I've been running pure linux for a good five years now, but all of my internets have been plug-and-play no hassle
[21:05] <treeherder> lucky
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[21:08] <Zopiac> That means I never learned how to diagnose these things
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[21:11] <treeherder> i'd rather have the available rom in my brain for useful information
[21:11] <treeherder> :P
[21:11] <treeherder> linux is such a headache sometimes
[21:11] <treeherder> but then i try to use window
[21:11] <treeherder> windows
[21:11] <treeherder> or osx
[21:11] <treeherder> and i alternatingly want to gag and cry
[21:12] <treeherder> so much .... untouchable mystery stuff
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[21:12] <Zopiac> I'm OK with OS X because I can get a proper terminal right out of the box with access to SSH
[21:13] <treeherder> i hate that it has more intensive graphical req.s than freaking league of legends
[21:15] <SwK> hackintosh with a video card that apple doesnt use?
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[21:18] <Zopiac> I still have to get a hackintosh up
[21:18] <Zopiac> I couldn't before because I was running on 1gb free hard disk space for a year or two but now I could
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[21:19] <Zopiac> I did manage to get a virtualbox setup but had to delete it to make room for other, more important things
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[21:22] <SwK> i keep debating new mac pro or hack pro
[21:22] <Zopiac> Do you want to have any money afterwards?
[21:23] <FrostyX> Hi, I have just connected usb 3 external hard drive to raspberry but in fdisk, I cant see it. Its problem of my distribution or raspberry just cant power that disk? Raspberry is powered by adapter from htc desire z
[21:23] <Zopiac> hm, startx is just loading up a black screen
[21:24] <Zopiac> my .xinitrc has 'exec icewm'
[21:24] <nid0> FrostyX: unless you're using a very very frugal disk you'll need it to be externally powered
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[21:24] <nid0> either via a power adaptor or using a powered hub
[21:25] <FrostyX> crap
[21:25] <SwK> Zopiac: thats why I'm more looking at imacs and hack pros lol
[21:25] <SwK> Zopiac: apple is way to proud of the mac pro
[21:25] <FrostyX> Its 1TB WD elements portable.
[21:26] <Zopiac> I'd buy a Mac Pro case on eBay and put a normal desktop in it SwK :P
[21:26] <SwK> the only good thing about macs is OSX??? and then they keep making it worse and worse
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[21:26] <IT_Sean> FrostyX: you either need a USB hub, or an externally pwered harddrive
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[21:26] <Zopiac> I love the aesthetics of the aluminum mac pro case
[21:27] <Zopiac> ooh, $110 for case and mobo
[21:28] <FrostyX> ok, thx guys
[21:28] <Zopiac> on another, more on-topic hand, nifty acrylic RasPi case for $11.50
[21:29] <Zopiac> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Case-Brand-New-Gloss-Black-Acrylic-/330863240046
[21:29] <Zopiac> might buy one and upgrade from my M:TG card pack case
[21:30] <Zopiac> but hey, these things are the perfect size http://media.trollandtoad.com/products/pictures/303864.jpg
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[21:37] <ech0s7> hi all
[21:38] <Zopiac> hello, ech0s7
[21:38] <IT_Sean> hello ech0s7
[21:39] <ech0s7> i would encrypt the whole root (/) partition of rpi with a password, set automatically at boot
[21:39] <ech0s7> have you any idea ?
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[21:40] <Zopiac> I still have to venture into the land of data security and encryption...
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[21:40] <ech0s7> Zopiac: :) is a lost island
[21:40] <Gx4> hi
[21:41] <Zopiac> Hey Gx4
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[21:42] <Gx4> I was wondering has anyone tried to build a raspberry farm for webservices i.e. balance loader > rpi + rpi + rpi
[21:43] <Zopiac> I know RasPi quasi-supercomputers have been built, but I'm not sure to what effect
[21:44] <Viper-7> they`re incredibly slow, but useful for teaching interconnected systems
[21:44] <tdy> just for novelty
[21:44] <Viper-7> not quite
[21:44] <Gx4> I think if I can launch 4 ff on one its sufficient
[21:45] <ParkerR> Hey the Pi is good enough to run a PS1 emulator decently. Give it time :P
[21:45] <Zopiac> wait, is it?!?
[21:45] <Viper-7> tdy: its a good way to let people get their hands dirty with MPI and such
[21:45] <ParkerR> Zopiac, Yes. Part of RetroPie but you can compile the emulator by itself
[21:45] <Zopiac> this changes everything! screw work, it's Spyro time
[21:45] <Viper-7> Gx4: but i cant see it being useful in production :P
[21:46] <tdy> ah
[21:46] <Viper-7> http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~sjc/raspberrypi/pi_supercomputer_southampton.htm
[21:46] <Gx4> connect to your TV and play Crash bandicoot
[21:46] <Gx4> Viper-7 testing websites
[21:46] <Viper-7> i still love the vast field ot plugpacks
[21:47] <Viper-7> Gx4: why not just use a real server, and virtual machines?
[21:47] <Viper-7> /ot/of/
[21:47] <Gx4> I already do but the thing is one vm can launch only 4 ff's due grid stupid limitations and they won't give me more than two vm's
[21:48] <Viper-7> lol
[21:48] <Viper-7> so go get a free one from amazon
[21:48] <Viper-7> and more free ones from other providers
[21:48] <Viper-7> :P
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[21:48] <ParkerR> Zopiac, You run the RetroPie setup and only select the emulators you want to install
[21:49] <ParkerR> Zopiac, https://github.com/petrockblog/RetroPie-Setup
[21:49] <Viper-7> as for actually attempting to do this on the pi, i suppose something coded in Go or such could work fairly well ;P
[21:49] <Viper-7> being single core, concurrency handling would be key, which is golang`s strength
[21:50] <Viper-7> i certainly wouldnt expect a regular PHP installation or such to work effectively :P
[21:50] <Zopiac> thanks ParkerR
[21:50] <chupacabra> yay... my Pi shipped
[21:50] <ParkerR> Zopiac, It comes with a nice little launcher too "Emulationstation"
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[21:51] <ParkerR> Best part. Doesnt run in X :D
[21:52] <Zopiac> oooohh
[21:53] <Zopiac> ugh not enough disk space
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[21:53] <Zopiac> not sure how to expand the partition on my card right now either, I would if I were running raspbian but I'm on arch instead
[21:54] <Viper-7> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=arch+expand+partition
[21:54] <Viper-7> :P
[21:54] <chupacabra> fdisk?
[21:54] <Zopiac> not sure what the disk is labeled as
[21:55] <Gx4> arch makes aches in my back
[21:55] <chupacabra> fdisk will tell you that
[21:55] <Zopiac> 'mount' shows /dev/root is mounted as /, but /dev/root doesn't exist
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[21:59] <Zopiac> I know how to expand partitions but I don't even know what device this is
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[22:00] <Viper-7> what does fstab say?
[22:00] <Zopiac> there are no /dev/sd* or hd*, no /dev/dev/disk/by-uuid, no fstab file either
[22:00] <Zopiac> er
[22:00] <Zopiac> I searched for fdisk
[22:00] <Zopiac> there's my problem
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[22:02] <applegekko> if you want more help with arch #archlinux-arm
[22:02] <Zopiac> I've got it done now
[22:02] <Zopiac> thanks though, that'll help later
[22:04] <applegekko> i normally just do it with a live cd on the desktop nice and simple
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[22:07] <treeherder> this standalone arduino setup is gas
[22:07] <Zopiac> Desktop doesn't have a card reader sadly
[22:07] <treeherder> i wish the rpi proto shield was a little bit better laid-out
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> make your own :)
[22:08] <treeherder> yah... but it wouldn't be as shiny
[22:08] <Viper-7> sure it would be :P
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[22:08] <Viper-7> http://imall.iteadstudio.com/open-pcb/pcb-prototyping.html
[22:08] <treeherder> i really like this enamled metal material adafruit uses
[22:09] <treeherder> and honestly, i am not that great at soldering, so the bus being already on there
[22:09] <Viper-7> use free software to design the board, get 10 for 10 bucks, sell em to your mates for a buck each :P
[22:09] <treeherder> helps a lot
[22:09] <Viper-7> hehe yeah ;)
[22:09] <plugwash> hmm, the adafruit boards look to me like they use much the same stuff everyone else does
[22:09] <treeherder> maybe... it's not plastic though
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> I got one Pi proto plate from adafruit.
[22:10] <treeherder> yeah gordonDrogon that material
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> if that's the ones you mean.
[22:10] <treeherder> that's what i'm using
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> it's bog-standard Fr4 I think.
[22:10] <treeherder> it bugs me to all hell that the bus traces are not equal in umber or proportion to my 328
[22:10] <treeherder> number*
[22:11] <treeherder> and that the ones on the side wouldblock the longer ones if you put a dip on them
[22:11] <treeherder> as they have in the demo pic
[22:11] <plugwash> There are basically two common PCB base materials, FR2 and FR4
[22:12] <plugwash> FR2 is paper based, breaks easilly and doesn't take vias too well so it's usually only used for single layer boards. FR4 is fiberglass based and is what is used for most PCBs.
[22:12] <treeherder> ty very iformative
[22:13] <plugwash> (there are also specialist materials used for some high frequency work)
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/pitrak6.jpg
[22:14] <treeherder> so gordonDrogon what do i have to do to preserve my boards.txt form being overwritten
[22:14] <treeherder> from*
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> take a copy.
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> and put your copy back.
[22:14] <treeherder> ah ok
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> I'm going to re-write the installer thingy.
[22:15] <treeherder> also, if anybody ever has the issue i had.. the answer is that serial buffer line in boards.txt
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> I goofed and didn't think that the apt-get upgrade would overwrite files you changed, but it seems it does )-:
[22:15] <Zopiac> backup backup backup
[22:15] <treeherder> if you're re writing it, cna i give you a snippet for the 328p-pu standalone
[22:16] <treeherder> just a boards.txt entry
[22:17] <treeherder> then i don't have to worry about backups :3
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> going to try recording audio via the Gertboard..
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[22:18] <treeherder> the question is
[22:18] <treeherder> why
[22:18] <treeherder> the onboard audio is good
[22:18] <treeherder> OOh recording
[22:18] <treeherder> sorry brain fart
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> yea, just crappy quality, but I don't care.
[22:19] <Joeboy> ? the pi's onboard audio is terrible
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> what does a .wav file format look like.
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[22:19] <treeherder> "terrible"
[22:19] <Joeboy> at least the jack, dunno about the hdmi
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> actually, I can invent my own format.
[22:20] <Zopiac> waaahhh I want 96khz audio with built-in DAC on my Pi ;)
[22:20] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: use libsndfile?
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[22:20] <gordonDrogon> reading the 10-bit ADC on the Gert and turn it into uLaw I think. just store raw samples.
[22:20] <Joeboy> (maybe, I have no idea what you're doing)
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> Joeboy, ok - I'll look at that, my plan is to record it & play it back on the gertboard.
[22:21] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: wav isnt too bad, if you stick to PCM
[22:21] <Viper-7> https://ccrma.stanford.edu/courses/422/projects/WaveFormat/
[22:21] <treeherder> gordonDrogon: i've used this
[22:21] <Joeboy> I would really like there to be some kind of daughterboard/shield thing with decent audio IO
[22:21] <treeherder> http://www.hackerspace-ffm.de/wiki/index.php?title=SimpleSDAudio
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, the Gertboard only has an 8-bit DAC.
[22:22] <Joeboy> I am considering designing one and getting pcbs made up, but it will stretch my electronics abilities severely
[22:22] <treeherder> anyways, i dind't think the audio quality was too poor, considering what it's coming off of...
[22:22] <treeherder> but i didn't use the jack, i used hdmi
[22:22] <Joeboy> If anybody wants to save me the hassle.....
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> I'm thinking telephone quality here :)
[22:23] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: so? you can have 8 bit PCM
[22:23] <IT_Sean> the HDMI audio on the Pi should be good. It's the headphone jack that's of poor quality
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[22:23] <Viper-7> Joeboy: nothing wrong with pushing boundaries :P
[22:24] <Joeboy> Viper-7: Takes time though, and I've expended way too much on the pi already
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, yes - I'll be doing 10-8 bit conversions.
[22:24] <Joeboy> but I'm enthusiastic about doing it
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> assuming the microphone I have actually works...
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> just need to work out how to accurately do the sample timing.
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[22:29] <gordonDrogon> 125uS sampling period. that's right on the limits of "ease" on the Pi.
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> might even be too fast for the SPI bus too. Hm.
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[22:30] <gordonDrogon> well not the bus, but the kernel latency.
[22:30] * gordonDrogon does some timings.
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[22:35] <gordonDrogon> phew! Time taken for 8000 samples: 0.627642
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[22:36] <gordonDrogon> so as long as that's under a second I have some space... not much though...
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[22:37] <gordonDrogon> actually... the time taken to do a sample is the same as the time taken to send one to the DAC, so I don't need to time it at all.... (famous last words ;-)
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> Time taken for 8000 reads: 0.620217
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> Time taken for 8000 writes: 0.620507
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> Good enough for jazz...
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> wonder how I can hear the output.
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> do you think a piezeo disc connected to the DAC would work?
[22:41] <IT_Sean> it would, without a doubt, produce some sort of noise. For how long, and of what relevance is open to debate.
[22:41] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:41] <Joeboy> I reckon you'd get the gist
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> Lets see..
[22:43] <IT_Sean> a piezeo would produce fairly poor quality sound
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[22:46] <gordonDrogon> egads, brain, it worked!
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> I bet no-ones ever done this before!
[22:47] <Joeboy> audiophile quality?
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[22:48] <gordonDrogon> no, absolutely terrible!
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[22:49] <gordonDrogon> but this is soo cool!
[22:49] <IT_Sean> lol
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> it's very quiet. I have a 64?? speaker- might have to buffer the output - which is only 2v max from the DAC.
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[22:50] <Joeboy> In other pi audio news, I hooked my midi keyboard up to the insane baremetal audio plugin host project and I can play tunes!
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> I don't even have any old amplified speakers.
[22:50] <Joeboy> Very exciting
[22:50] <chupacabra> Who should I talk to about a Raspberry Pi presence at SXSW in March
[22:50] <Joeboy> Should video and blog it
[22:50] <Joeboy> Wanna fly me to Austen?
[22:50] <chupacabra> lol
[22:50] <Joeboy> er, austin
[22:50] <chupacabra> its possible actually
[22:51] <Joeboy> No, you really don't want me :-)
[22:51] <Joeboy> although I'd love to go and help keep Austin weird
[22:51] <chupacabra> If they will sponson Stallman they will sponsor anyone.
[22:52] <chupacabra> Joeboy, Where should I ask, Forums?
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> if I send an inverted signal to the 2nd DAC on the Gertboard and wire the speaker between them...
[22:53] <Joeboy> chupacabra: Probably email the foundation, not sure what address though..
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> .. then that won't work as it'll halve the output speed. bother.
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> going to try it anyway.
[22:53] <chupacabra> ill try to find em
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[22:57] <cody_> which voltage regulator is good for the raspi when powered from a 7.2v battery pack?
[22:58] <cody_> i mounted the raspi on a rc-car and it reboots when the motor starts when powered by integrated regulator of the motor controller
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[23:00] <chupacabra> ok contacted everybody i could find.
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[23:01] <plugwash> not sure what to suggest but my feeling is you are going to stuggle to find something that will work well
[23:01] <plugwash> because while the battery pack is nominally 7.2V I bet is drops quite a bit under full load
[23:02] <plugwash> have you measured the battery voltage with the motor running and loaded?
[23:02] <cody_> not yet
[23:02] <cody_> just measured with running motor without load
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSCBj6rabIU&feature=youtu.be
[23:03] <cody_> not when the motor starts
[23:03] <plugwash> what voltage does the battery pack give when the motor is running without load?
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> that's my record/playback demo :)
[23:03] <cody_> 7.5
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[23:04] <cody_> the 5v rail gives 4.8 or 4.9
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[23:06] <plugwash> times like this are times when you REALLY need a scope :(
[23:06] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: What a lovely lilting accent you have
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> Joeboy, not bad for a scott that's been out of Scotland for half his life now ... )-:
[23:07] <plugwash> it's pretty much impossible to spec out a soloution to a problem without numbers on just how bad the problem is and to get those numbers you need a scope :(
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[23:08] <cody_> ok lets see if i can get some numbers
[23:08] <Joeboy> plugwash: I just debugged a state machine with only an LED for debugging
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[23:16] <KiltedPi> Hmmm
[23:16] <KiltedPi> :-)
[23:16] <KiltedPi> Anyone ever use the google maps geocoding API?
[23:17] <Joeboy> A long time ago
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[23:18] <KiltedPi> Finding it hard
[23:18] <KiltedPi> :(
[23:18] <Joeboy> What seems to be the problem?
[23:18] <KiltedPi> I get a 'request denied' when i input into the browser
[23:18] <KiltedPi> https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/geocoding/#ReverseGeocoding
[23:18] <KiltedPi> Thats the website- I'm just copy pasting the example
[23:19] <Joeboy> Do you have a valid api key?
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[23:19] <KiltedPi> No idea! completely new to all this stuff
[23:20] <KiltedPi> Will I have to buy the API?
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[23:20] <KiltedPi> ah. I'll look into android...
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[23:20] <KiltedPi> I wanted to stay away from using Eclipse and Android. But needs must?
[23:20] <Joeboy> My recollection is of having to sign up for a key
[23:20] <KiltedPi> Its free tho??
[23:20] <Joeboy> Which is free
[23:20] <Joeboy> yes
[23:20] <KiltedPi> Whew
[23:20] <KiltedPi> Well- Joeboy-
[23:20] <Joeboy> for a reasonable number of lookups
[23:21] <Joeboy> my info is old though
[23:21] <KiltedPi> The reason I'm looking into this-
[23:21] <KiltedPi> Yeah, 2500
[23:21] <KiltedPi> I want to make a Ron Weasley Harry Potter clock device
[23:21] <Joeboy> The key is (presumably) so they can tell how many lookups are coming from your site
[23:21] <KiltedPi> Which will fire sequential updates according to where my mobile phone is
[23:21] <KiltedPi> maybe every 15 mins.
[23:22] <Joeboy> My Potter lore is a little rusty I'm afraid
[23:22] <KiltedPi> And then the pi (inside the clock) will change - AH!
[23:22] <KiltedPi> Hold on!
[23:22] <KiltedPi> http://images.wikia.com/harrypotter/images/6/67/Weasley's_Clock_(WBshop).jpg <--- there ya go!
[23:23] <KiltedPi> It has things like 'Dentist', 'Prison' etc
[23:24] <Joeboy> So, the clock will adjust according to where you are?
[23:24] <KiltedPi> Exactly!
[23:24] <Joeboy> Cool
[23:24] <KiltedPi> :)
[23:24] <KiltedPi> It is isn't it!
[23:24] <Joeboy> (in a terrifying and dystopian kind of way)
[23:24] <Zopiac> It isn't.
[23:24] <KiltedPi> :DDD
[23:24] * Zopiac bah humbug's
[23:24] <KiltedPi> It's not an original idea- I saw it on the RPi forum
[23:25] <KiltedPi> But I want to make my own
[23:25] <KiltedPi> I wasn't happy with how they went about theirs,- it was too simple :)
[23:26] <KiltedPi> I want the API to hook into google, and return the business parameter, and fire that back to the clock :)
[23:26] <KiltedPi> The parameter for "Mortal Peril" will be for when I visit the in-laws
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[23:32] <ParkerR> "Official Android 4.0.3 (built by Broadcom): Boots, very fast with hardware acceleration, lacks AudioFlinger support. NOTE: Not yet released by Broadcom!" Why must they be like that :(
[23:34] <Flexnard> lol
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[23:35] <treeherder> sorry i accidentally dced myself
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[23:45] <Zopiac> stupid menus
[23:46] <KiltedPi> Is it possible to make an android app that runs in the background?
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[23:46] <Zopiac> I'm trying to figure out what the problem is with the compilation of RetroPie's emulationstation but it just errors out and immediately goes back to the menu
[23:46] <Zopiac> I need to read the error, darn you!
[23:46] <ParkerR> KiltedPi, Yeah
[23:47] <ParkerR> Zopiac, It has a compile log
[23:47] <ParkerR> Check /tmp/
[23:47] <Zopiac> Don't see it there
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[23:47] <ParkerR> Or find / | grep .log
[23:47] <Zopiac> it says it dumps to a certain log file but the file doesn't show compilation data
[23:47] <ParkerR> Might not be the best way but
[23:47] <ParkerR> Oh
[23:48] <ParkerR> Zopiac, Any data in that file
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[23:48] <xiambax> Hello
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[23:48] <Zopiac> shows the emulator configurations and some other info but not installer-related files
[23:48] <Zopiac> er, not files
[23:48] <ParkerR> Zopiac, D:
[23:48] <ParkerR> Hmm
[23:51] <Zopiac> I've already had to watch the compiling to learn that I needed to install some dependencies
[23:51] <Zopiac> I haven't seen a dep list though
[23:52] <ParkerR> Zopiac, The script should do everything. Did you make sure to have the install packages option checked?
[23:52] <Zopiac> It only does that for .deb I believe
[23:52] <Zopiac> rather, synaptic
[23:52] <ParkerR> Zopiac, Oh you not on debian?
[23:52] <Zopiac> nope, arch
[23:52] <ParkerR> Ahhhhh
[23:52] <Zopiac> I've successfully compiled the emulators though
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[23:53] <ParkerR> Zopiac, Shouldve warned you
[23:53] <ParkerR> Very debian centric script
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[23:53] <kieppie> ?PXE
[23:53] <kieppie> !PXE
[23:53] <steve_rox2> when in tryed to install retro arch it made the pi colors go screwy
[23:54] <Zopiac> I think you mean "made the pi colors go retro"
[23:54] <Zopiac> xD
[23:54] <steve_rox2> the pi logo at boot went blue
[23:54] <steve_rox2> desktop in x went crazy as did vid playback
[23:54] <ParkerR> Oh it probably set a different bit depth
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[23:54] <ParkerR> That can sometimes invert colors
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[23:58] <kieppie> is there an image or mod to bootstrap the RPi to book off PXE
[23:58] <kieppie> ?
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