#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-02-19

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[0:00] <ParkerR> kieppie, It's possible but PXE images would have to be made for the Pi
[0:01] <DDave> Hey, how come when i am (for example) typing in vi, the rpi will lock up for a few seconds and then resume as normal? Its quite weird
[0:01] <ParkerR> DDave, Anything else running?
[0:01] <Dyskette> kieppie: you can do network boot, but specifically PXE - it's an x86/BIOS thing, doesn't really apply in embedded ARM land.
[0:01] <kieppie> ParkerR - that's fine. I'm in the process of setting up a nice PXE server for my network & saw the new BerryBoot - http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot
[0:02] <Joeboy> DDave: I was finding that too. I put it down to my awful wireless adaptor, but dunno realy
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[0:02] <kieppie> If I can ass a look-on-the-lan-for-PXE option, that'll rock
[0:03] <kieppie> I've done the NFS network boot hack for my OpenELEC & I quite like it
[0:04] <kieppie> means I can flash a bunch of SD's with the same image & then pull the OS & configs form my network. Looking at Foreman+Puppet for auto-provisioning & sexy setups
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[0:07] <kieppie> ParkerR, Dyskette - is PXE on PRi a no-go, or do you know of any references?
[0:08] <Dyskette> kieppie: it could theoretically be possible I suppose with u-boot or something
[0:09] <kieppie> u-boot?
[0:09] <Dyskette> kieppie: but I'm pretty sure there are no existing solutions
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[0:10] <Dyskette> kieppie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_U-Boot
[0:10] <kieppie> that's a pity. I don't mind loading a SD to bootstrap the PXE client code. I can certainly understand why it's not in the firmware
[0:10] <Dyskette> Yeah, you'd need to basically replace the kernel image with a bootloader to then handle the PXE stuff.
[0:11] <kieppie> nasty!
[0:11] <Dyskette> I'm not sure about the extent to which a bootloader that'll easily do that and run on the pi exists yet.
[0:11] <kwixson> I've done the steps on the wiki (command line) to set up the SD card. I've done it before (way back) and it worked, but today I can't get the Pi to boot up. What gives?
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[0:13] <Dyskette> kieppie: this might be of some use: http://www.emdebian.org/~zumbi/mx53/u-boot-fsl/doc/README.pxe
[0:14] <kieppie> cheers
[0:15] <kwixson> I may have missed some fine print. Please standby while I pull my head out of my rear.
[0:15] <kieppie> Dyskette - quick read; nothing jumps out to indicate that it's not possible, as such
[0:16] <kieppie> kwixson - checksum the images used to flash
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[0:16] <Dyskette> kieppie: no - just that it would be fairly hacky, and maybe a bit of work
[0:16] <kieppie> & check that it's readable on the host
[0:16] <kieppie> Dyskette - tru dat
[0:17] <kwixson> kieppie: how do I check it's readable on the host?
[0:17] <kwixson> I can't mount it once it's flashed.
[0:17] <kieppie> something run as an app in 'userspace'(?) & not formware
[0:18] <kieppie> kwixson - probably means the image is busted or flash has failed. (assuming Linux PC) wipe all partitions on the SD & start again with a new copy of the img
[0:18] <kieppie> is there a RPi wishlist/
[0:18] <kieppie> ?
[0:19] <kieppie> http://xinu.mscs.mu.edu/Raspberry_Pi#Booting <- Dyskette?
[0:20] <kwixson> kieppie: On a mac
[0:20] <Dyskette> kieppie: does GRUB run on the pi? I didn't think it did...
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[0:20] <Zopiac> I think it just runs a single boot line
[0:21] <kwixson> kieppie: Okay, made progress. I had the of= destination wrong. Flashing it to a partition and not the device.
[0:21] <kieppie> kwixson - dd should work, but process is slightly different. you'll have to refer to the docs, but start by dl'ing (wget) a new img & do a checksum to see if it's not corrupted. dd generally doesn't care if your image is currpt - it'll flash as-is
[0:21] <Dyskette> kieppie: oh wait, I see it's using uboot despite talking about grub in the preamble
[0:21] <kwixson> Now I'm getting it to boot and display on RCA but not HDMI
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[0:22] <kieppie> kwixson - need to force the HDMI on
[0:22] <kieppie> in the config txt somewhere
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[0:23] <kieppie> Dyskette - ow!
[0:23] <kwixson> kieppie: I'm seeing there's a new config wizard...
[0:23] <kieppie> not elegant, but progress...
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[0:23] <kwixson> ???can i change it here?
[0:24] <kieppie> no idea what you're talking about, sorry
[0:24] <Dyskette> kieppie: I dunno that you'll ever get an elegant solution, sadly! I should imagine it would be possible to have uboot do PXE automatically without having to interact with it via a serial console
[0:24] <Dyskette> kwixson: from the rpi itself? Sure :)
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[0:25] <kwixson> There's a configuration assistant when I'm booting up for the first time.
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[0:26] <Dyskette> kwixson: you might even be able to set it in that. If not, config.txt is in /boot/
[0:27] <kieppie> Dyskette - is there an official bug report or ticket system for the project? all I can find is requests for such a system in the forums?
[0:28] <Dyskette> kieppie: I'm afraid I have no idea
[0:28] <kieppie> https://github.com/raspberrypi/ <- Dyskette
[0:29] <kieppie> best I can hope for
[0:29] <Dyskette> kieppie: I doubt you'll get the foundation to put pxe functionality in the firmware...
[0:30] <Dyskette> kieppie: but uboot does run on the pi, can do pxe, and I'm sure it would be possible to automate its doing so somehow.
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[0:30] <Dyskette> That's pretty much where my knowledge stops ;)
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[0:44] <kwixson> Hurray. HDMI working!
[0:44] <kwixson> Verrrrryyy tiny text though.
[0:44] <double-you> when I start a shell application over ssh, how to access over another ssh session?
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[0:44] <Zopiac> terminal multiplexer
[0:45] <Zopiac> look up 'screen' or 'tmux'
[0:45] <double-you> thanks
[0:45] <chithead> or 'dtach'
[0:45] <Zopiac> haven't heard of dtach
[0:46] <chithead> dtach is precisely a terminal multiplexer, without the fancy features, customizability and scripting capabilities of screen and tmux
[0:46] <double-you> can I also access running shell scripts? .sh
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[0:47] <chithead> it is possible to reparent such a script into a screen session with some limitations, but the easier way is to terminate it and start again in screen
[0:48] <kwixson> How do I change the display settings in the GUI?
[0:49] <double-you> chithead: I was thinking about writing a main .sh script to automate the most important things
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[0:59] <kwixson> Stuff I found searching on Google have not helped so far. How do I get the text big enough to read my 42" screen from the couch?
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[0:59] <chithead> on the console? use a consolefont that is big enough. in X? set desired dpi value
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[1:03] <SpeedEvil> kwixson: binoculars
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[1:06] <kwixson> SpeedEvil: Ha.
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[1:06] <kwixson> chithead: how do I change the consolefont?
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[1:07] <kwixson> And where in X can I set the dpi?
[1:07] <Zopiac> ./emulationstation: error while loading shared libraries: libbcm_host.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [zopiac@alarmpi /]$ ls /lib | grep libbcm_host libbcm_host.so
[1:07] <Zopiac> booo why does it not find the lib
[1:08] <chithead> how to change consolefont is distro dependent. xorg dpi can be changed via xorg.conf monitor section, DisplaySize option
[1:08] <debenham> Zopiac: try 'ldconfig -v' to rebuild linker cache
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[1:09] <Zopiac> ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libbcm_host.so: No such file or directory
[1:10] <Zopiac> libbcm_host.so is in both /lib and /usr/lib
[1:10] <debenham> maybe there is a dangling link
[1:10] <Zopiac> well
[1:10] <debenham> 'ls -l /lib/libbcm_host.* /usr/lib/libbcm_host.*'
[1:10] <Zopiac> /lib symlinksto /usr/lib, durr
[1:11] <Zopiac> aha
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[1:12] <Zopiac> all right dependencies finally fixed
[1:12] <Zopiac> ./emulationstation: symbol lookup error: ./emulationstation: undefined symbol: _ZN5boost11filesystem36detail6statusERKNS0_4pathEPNS_6system10error_codeE
[1:12] <Zopiac> bugger
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[1:20] <kwixson> Okay! Progress. Set the console font with sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
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[1:21] <kwixson> Now, to set up X for couch-distance viewing.
[1:21] <Roukoswarf-M> hello, anyone know their way around omxplayer? i run it and it just blanks the terminal and thats it, only output is the clear screen excape code
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[1:23] <Roukoswarf-M> does omxplayer support .webm files?
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[1:24] <ParkerR> Roukoswarf-M, That black screen may be due to the video codec being used
[1:24] <ParkerR> For stock Raspberry Pi it needs to be h.264 to have hardware decoding
[1:24] <Roukoswarf-M> ParkerR: so test with a standard mp4?
[1:24] <Roukoswarf-M> well, its a 264 webm youtube file
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[1:26] <ParkerR> Roukoswarf-M, It may not support webm then. I can try real quick
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[1:27] <Roukoswarf-M> ParkerR: im getting Invalid framerate 1000, using forced 25fps and just trust timestamps have a nice day ;) when running omxplayer.bin directly with the file
[1:28] <Roukoswarf-M> finds video stream, audio streams, ect in output before that
[1:28] <ParkerR> Roukoswarf-M, It's not h.264 "Codec: Google/On2's VP8 Video (VP80)"
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[1:29] <Roukoswarf-M> ah.. ive seen people using omxplayer to play youtube videos, how? this is a youtube-viewer download
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[1:33] <ParkerR> Roukoswarf-M, mp4 versions
[1:34] <ParkerR> Roukoswarf-M, https://github.com/rjw57/yt
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[1:34] <Roukoswarf-M> that grabs mp4? youtube-viewer seems to only grab webm now.. asked maintiner
[1:35] <ParkerR> Roukoswarf-M, omxplayer -o hdmi $(youtube-dl -g "$1")
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[1:35] <ParkerR> $1 being the URL
[1:35] <Roukoswarf-M> hm, alright, il try that
[1:36] <Roukoswarf-M> ParkerR: does the pi handle the video well from within X11? or recommend only from tty?
[1:36] <ParkerR> Roukoswarf-M, Either way actually
[1:36] <ParkerR> PLays 1080p in both ways
[1:36] <ParkerR> Since GPU decoding
[1:36] <Roukoswarf-M> ParkerR: ah, didnt know it had the power to from within X
[1:36] <ParkerR> That's why it can do it when X is running
[1:36] <Roukoswarf-M> X and cron (for some reason) randomly cpu spike me
[1:36] <ParkerR> Because it's not depending on the CPU as much
[1:37] <ParkerR> Roukoswarf-M, Also needs this if you dont already have it http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/download.html
[1:37] <ParkerR> That command line yt and just the bare command
[1:38] <Roukoswarf-M> ParkerR: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/any/youtube-dl/ should do
[1:38] <ParkerR> Roukoswarf-M, Oh yeah yt doesnt want to work on arch. arch deprecated the old pythin-ncurses calls
[1:39] <ParkerR> *python-ncurses
[1:39] <Roukoswarf-M> even though this version is using py3.3?
[1:39] <Roukoswarf-M> in the repo
[1:39] <ParkerR> Roukoswarf-M, I;m not talking about that
[1:39] <Roukoswarf-M> ParkerR: explain
[1:39] <ParkerR> The yt github I linked
[1:39] <ParkerR> https://github.com/rjw57/yt
[1:39] <Roukoswarf-M> ah, yeah, i want things i can keep packaged
[1:40] <Roukoswarf-M> manual installs are dirty
[1:41] <Roukoswarf-M> ParkerR: if i run the -o hdmi from an ssh session
[1:41] <ParkerR> Yes
[1:41] <Roukoswarf-M> with the display open through hdmi
[1:41] <ParkerR> It will work
[1:41] <Roukoswarf-M> okay good
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[1:42] <Roukoswarf-M> does youtube-dl default to 1080p if available?
[1:42] <ParkerR> Yes
[1:42] <ParkerR> Thats the only bad part if on a crappier network
[1:42] <Roukoswarf-M> and the command you gave, i am unfamiliar with the function of youtube-dl, will it download then pass the filename, or stream?
[1:43] <Roukoswarf-M> ParkerR: network is not an issue, issue is the storage on the sdcard
[1:43] <ParkerR> Roukoswarf-M, omxplayer -o hdmi $(youtube-dl -g "youtubeurl")
[1:43] <Roukoswarf-M> ParkerR: that will stream? or will it save, store, then load?
[1:43] <ParkerR> Roukoswarf-M, As far as I know that pipes directly to omxplayer
[1:43] <ParkerR> Not cache anywhere permanently
[1:43] <Roukoswarf-M> okay good, dont have that much space to play with
[1:44] <ParkerR> Check /tmp and the current folder when playing
[1:44] <Roukoswarf-M> okay
[1:44] <ParkerR> Just to see
[1:44] <Roukoswarf-M> yay! you are the best ParkerR
[1:45] <ParkerR> :)
[1:46] <ParkerR> Roukoswarf-M, You can also save that to a script file http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=BPG8wdwX
[1:46] <ParkerR> Then just pass the youtube URL as the first argument
[1:46] <ParkerR> ./script.sh youtubeurl
[1:46] <Roukoswarf-M> oh i will, dont worry
[1:46] <Roukoswarf-M> just needed it *working*
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[1:54] <ParkerR> http://i.minus.com/ibixaudDTIaFNc.JPG
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[1:57] <SwK> ParkerR:didnt like the RCA jack?
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[1:58] <ParkerR> SwK, Yep
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[1:59] <SwK> I've considers that same mod myself??? well that and the 1/8"
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[2:00] <ParkerR> SwK, Considering what I've put this Pi through I'm surprised it's still running XD
[2:00] <SwK> lol
[2:00] <SwK> I'm surprised I havent blown a polyfuse yet :P
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[2:02] <SwK> ParkerR: ok looking at that pic of your board??? the 'pads' near C1 (up and left), above d4, just to the right of the marking for r16-r18 and between the zif ribbon connector and eth jack??? do you know what those are for?
[2:03] <Shift_> Fiduciary marker?
[2:03] <SwK> ?
[2:04] <Shift_> helps align the pick and place machine or something, but I am not sure if that's what it is in this case.
[2:04] <SwK> ahh
[2:04] <SwK> could be
[2:04] <Shift_> https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=Fiduciary%20marker&tbs=imgo:1&biw=1920&bih=965&sei=W88iUZe_NoyLkwWq0IDQAw#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&tbs=imgo:1&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=PCB+Fiducial&oq=PCB+Fiducial&gs_l=img.3...4266.9588.1.9775.,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42553238,d.dGI&fp=b682c8d314bc055f&biw=1920&bih=965
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[2:04] <plugwash> helps aligns things in general throughout the production process
[2:04] <Shift_> yeah
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[2:05] <SwK> I see 3 on the back labed FD2 FD3 FD4
[2:05] <Shift_> that's definitely it then
[2:06] <Shift_> http://www.ladyada.net/library/pcb/fiducials.html
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[2:25] <zopiac> The package linux-raspberry isn't depended on by anything? o_O
[2:26] <zopiac> linux-raspberrypi rather
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[2:28] <zopiac> the application pacgraph shows that it's an independent package... kind of disconcerting
[2:28] <zopiac> I can remove it at any time, and a list of files included in the package makes it look like it's heavily relied upon by the system
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[2:31] <plugwash> what distro is this?
[2:31] <zopiac> Arch
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[2:33] <Shift_> zopiac, something to bring up in #archlinux-arm
[2:33] <zopiac> all right
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[2:34] <plugwash> I don't know many details of arch but my experiance from other systems is it's unusual for other stuff to depend on kernel packages because they are system specific and not everyone uses packaged kernels
[2:34] <plugwash> users are assumed to be smart enough not to remove their last kernel ;)
[2:34] <zopiac> understandable
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[2:40] <xrosnight> morning :)
[2:45] <chupacabra> lol
[2:45] <xrosnight> chupacabra: what
[2:45] <chupacabra> lusers assumed ......
[2:46] <zopiac> I figured you were laughing at the fact that chupacabras do not experience morning. Everything is perpetually night
[2:46] <zopiac> ....dun dun dunnn
[2:46] <chupacabra> hehe
[2:48] <Datalink-M> Stupid 3TiB hard drive and Linux being stupid about it...
[2:49] <zopiac> how so?
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[2:50] <Datalink-M> It was a pain to expand a copy of an existing 1TiB drive and now it's not booting due to needing to make it a GPT drive
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[3:13] <pksato> :) http://www.doctormonk.com/2013/02/raspberry-pi-and-breadboard-raspberry.html
[3:17] <SwK> why is it desks are never big enough lol
[3:17] <Armand> pksato, https://www.modmypi.com/gpio-accessories/Adafruit-Pi-Cobbler-Breakout-Kit-for-Raspberry-Pi
[3:17] <elek> love the GPIO header labels
[3:18] <Shift_> SwK, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/desk.jpg =( The pile has doubled since that was taken >.>
[3:18] <elek> casette player?
[3:19] <Shift_> datasette (the c64 casette player thing)
[3:19] <elek> ah
[3:19] * SpeedEvil sighs
[3:19] <SpeedEvil> I recently 'gave up' and took the seminucular option,
[3:19] <SwK> Shift_: load *,8,1 (i forget the serial address for the datasette tho)
[3:20] <Shift_> heh, just 'load' will do
[3:20] <SpeedEvil> ordered about 50 30l transparent containers
[3:20] <SwK> Shift_: jiffydos ftw
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[3:20] <Shift_> =)
[3:21] <SpeedEvil> now at least my crap is sort of organised, even if I haven't got it thrown out yet
[3:21] <SwK> pretty sad I can remember some of the stuff I had 1581s 1541s, etc
[3:21] <SpeedEvil> throwing stiff out is a problem
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[3:22] <SwK> lol
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[3:22] <SwK> I think I just made a booboo...
[3:22] <SwK> plugged soldering iron into power strip, turned it on, UPS starts screaming at me
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[3:23] <Armand> nub. :P
[3:23] <SwK> lol
[3:23] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[3:23] <SpeedEvil> you need a bigger ups
[3:24] <SpeedEvil> mine can (just) boot my freezer
[3:24] <SwK> 5kva isnt what it used to be
[3:24] <Shift_> heh
[3:24] <SpeedEvil> or you reeeeely need to replace the batteries
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[3:25] <SwK> its on mains
[3:25] <SwK> it was bitching that I was drawing to much wattage thru it
[3:25] <Armand> Reminds me.. must buy more deep-cycle batteries.
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[3:27] <SpeedEvil> that's a big soldering iron :-)
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[3:29] <SwK> its drawing about 40w
[3:33] <SpeedEvil> got lots else plugged?
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[3:37] <SwK> just a couple of servers, a desktop and a juniper M5
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[4:30] <SwK> sparkfun kit for the save
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[4:41] <chupacabra> does one really have to buy the codec licenses?
[4:41] <chupacabra> arent there open source ones?
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[4:43] <debenham> the codec licenses are far hardware encode/decode
[4:43] <piney> chupacabra, there is hardware and software encoding / decoding. the hardware ones for the pi anyway need licenses, and software isn't as fast
[4:43] <debenham> without them you can still encode/decode stuff - but it will be a fair bit slower
[4:44] <chupacabra> cool
[4:44] <des2> You don't need to buy the windows video one...
[4:45] <piney> the licenses are fairly inexpensive imo.
[4:45] <chupacabra> mplayer should come with all the codecs.
[4:47] <chupacabra> or is that stupid to say?
[4:47] <debenham> it does
[4:48] <des2> This is about hardware decoding on the Broadcom chip
[4:48] <chupacabra> havnt tried loading a version up with my fave programs.
[4:48] <debenham> the license is to access the hardware decoding engine built into the gpu. without mplayer can still decode via software
[4:49] <chupacabra> gotcha. Oh noes! Broadcom.....
[4:51] <debenham> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1839
[4:52] <xiambax> wanna hear the best story ever!
[4:52] <xiambax> I RMA'd a drive with WD
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[4:52] <xiambax> They lost the drive i sent them and sent me a drive.
[4:53] <xiambax> They found the drive and did another rma and sent me another one
[4:53] <xiambax> I sent one drive. They sent me two. :D
[4:53] <xiambax> Different serial numbers. WINNING
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[4:53] <Shift_> return them and you'll have 4
[4:53] <xiambax> Hahaha
[4:53] <xiambax> I wish that logic would work. I won't push it though
[4:53] <piney> seems legit
[4:53] <xiambax> Bonus is i didn't do the advanced
[4:54] <xiambax> so they don't even have a credit card to charge me for the drive.
[4:54] <xiambax> Im not going to tell them
[4:54] <Shift_> And if they try to get one of them back?
[4:54] <xiambax> They don't have any info one me other then an address
[4:55] <SStrife> that's pretty lousy and dishonest.
[4:55] <xiambax> How is it lousy.
[4:55] <xiambax> Giant corporation.
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[4:55] <des2> The joke will be on you when both drives fail in 2 months.
[4:56] <xiambax> Haha.
[4:56] <xiambax> Likely true
[4:56] <SStrife> Knowingly keeping both drives is pretty much theft.
[4:56] <SStrife> You know you should only have one drive
[4:56] <SStrife> They will likely find the mistake at some point
[4:56] <xiambax> I will wait to see if they contact me
[4:57] <SStrife> You should contact them.
[4:57] <xiambax> Nah
[4:57] <SStrife> Well, yeah, "finders keepers" doesn't really work with adults.
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[5:00] <xiambax> Giant corporation takes extremely long to warranty a product, ships you two in return. and I am the bad guy?
[5:01] <Shift_> To be honest, if it were me, SStrife would've shamed me enough to return one with his judgment there, heh.
[5:01] <Shift_> Giant corporation and all, but the blame will probably be pinned on one guy.
[5:02] <SStrife> Since you're knowingly keeping something that isn't yours, and gloating about it, yeah, you're pretty much lord of the bad guys.
[5:02] <xiambax> Well then I will sit with my back turned to the door in my dimly lit office and continue to pet my cat.
[5:02] <xiambax> Muahahahaha
[5:02] <Shift_> lol
[5:03] <xiambax> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1j7lyRnxVE
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[5:06] <xiambax> SStrife: You telling me if Telstra accidentally under billed you one month you would call them up to tell them they made a mistake?
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[5:07] <SStrife> I would, because i'm not a deplorable human being.
[5:07] <SStrife> and I know they'd come after me for it later, maybe on not-so-friendly terms
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[5:07] <SStrife> honesty now avoids confrontation later
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[5:08] <des2> I would write them and tell them what happened and ask for a prepaid return label for the 2nd drive.
[5:08] <SStrife> if WD contacts you, you'd just lie to them anyway, so what's the point? their fault right?
[5:08] <xiambax> No, I would be like. I received two drives. They have tracking numbers.
[5:08] <xiambax> They would probably tell me to keep it anyway
[5:09] <SStrife> So make the call, let them tell you that, then it IS on them.
[5:09] <Shift_> Interesting clash of ethics there. It's like virtue ethics vs utilitarianism or something.
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[5:09] <SStrife> but you're implicitly lieing about the number of drives you received, why wouldn't you lie to them if they called you?
[5:09] <xiambax> I have ethics when it comes to people. Corporations are not people though.
[5:09] <xiambax> No matter what they want to tell you.
[5:09] <SStrife> Corporations are made of people,
[5:09] <des2> Corporations are people, my friend
[5:09] <xiambax> Nope.
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[5:10] <SStrife> somebody who works there will wear the rap for your dishonesty
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[5:10] <SStrife> If corporations are not people, and they are not made of people, then how the hell to they do anything?
[5:10] <SStrife> robots?
[5:11] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlPQkd_AA6c
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[5:12] <xiambax> Who's pockets?
[5:12] <xiambax> Rich business man pockets
[5:12] <SStrife> anybody that invests in that company, some are rich, some are regular people that invest through their retirement funds and whatnot.
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[5:13] <SStrife> are you saying that because some individual stakeholder is "rich" that you have carte blanche to rip them off?
[5:13] <Shift_> I think a graph of the average worker wage and minimum wage vs average CEO wage over time would be approporiate here.
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[5:14] <Shift_> (though not a complete argument in itself)
[5:15] <xiambax> If you get a 120,000 dollar roaming phone bill. Do you feel obligated to pay it because you signed on the dotted line?
[5:15] <SStrife> If I did the roaming, sure.
[5:15] <SStrife> my idiot fault.
[5:16] <SStrife> if it was a billing error, and those services were not rendered to me, different story.
[5:16] <SStrife> if the device was faulty, I would ask the manufacturer to come to the table.
[5:16] <xiambax> I think it's easy to see we are just going to have to disagree
[5:16] <SStrife> I could ask for leniency from the telco,
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[5:16] <SStrife> but i wouldn't throw up my hands and not pay it
[5:17] <pa1983> ircing from my pi :P
[5:17] <SStrife> well, yeah, clearly :)
[5:17] <SStrife> (that wasn't @ you, pa1983 :P)
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[5:17] <pa1983> ?
[5:17] <SStrife> the "well, yeah, clearly :)" remark
[5:18] <SStrife> was at someone else, as response to something said before you joined
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[5:19] <pa1983> xchat is slow :P
[5:20] <SStrife> anything GUI on Pi is slow
[5:20] <pa1983> yea, im compiling atm to on it
[5:20] <SStrife> try using Arduino :P
[5:20] <pa1983> recompiled xchat with fastscroll see how that works later on
[5:20] <SStrife> do you have a 512MB Pi?
[5:21] <pa1983> yes
[5:21] <pa1983> brand new
[5:21] <SStrife> that will help, then.
[5:21] <pa1983> recompiling xine-lib, made atypo so no fb support :P
[5:21] <SStrife> both of mine are 256MB.. don't bother using it while compiling :P
[5:21] <zopiac> is there a visual difference on the Pi that makes it obvious that it's the 512mb version?
[5:21] <pa1983> seems xv dose not work in with xorg fb driver
[5:22] <SStrife> zopiac: The screen printing on the RAM chip
[5:22] <Shift_> zopiac, just the markings on the ram chip AFAIK
[5:22] <pa1983> zopiac, sees 4G on the mem
[5:22] <zopiac> ok, makes sense
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[5:22] <SStrife> teamwork! *high-5*
[5:22] <zopiac> haha
[5:22] <Shift_> =D
[5:22] <pa1983> had 3compiles running at once befor
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[5:23] <pa1983> my internetz is fubar this morning, on and off all the time
[5:23] <pa1983> see how long its befor my isp kills it self again
[5:23] <SStrife> you can do a lot to speed up Pi... like moving rootfs to a faster device, like a USB HDD, or an nfs mount
[5:23] <SStrife> the SD interface is pretty awful.
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[5:24] <pa1983> Im out off usb ports and I have the dam usb bug so need to run usb 1.1 to get mey keybord to work
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[5:24] <SStrife> ooer,
[5:24] <pa1983> I get 17Mb/sec+ on my sd card during reads
[5:24] <SStrife> yeah, not terrible if your USB ports are stuck in 1.1
[5:25] <pa1983> got a transend class 10 16Gb
[5:25] <pa1983> I run /usr/portage/distfiles from nfs but all my gentoo machines have that
[5:25] <pa1983> then samba for storage on my fileserver
[5:26] <pa1983> just hope the new kernel? for the pi comes soon with the usb fix they promised
[5:26] <SStrife> that will be nice
[5:26] <SStrife> i do pretty much everything on my Pi via SSH or VNC
[5:26] <pa1983> I got wireless network and keyboard so both ports are full
[5:27] <pa1983> yea I have vnc and ssh avalible to
[5:27] <Viper7> Sa
[5:27] <pa1983> rigth now Im installing the last stuff and doing the last configuration on my pi
[5:27] <Viper7> Oops
[5:27] <SStrife> i even had to set up one of the tty's to auto-start minicom, so i don't have to have a keyboard attached :P
[5:28] <pa1983> got the ms 800 keybarod and mous kit
[5:28] <pa1983> got it in sale for almost nothing
[5:28] <SStrife> good stuff.
[5:28] <pa1983> my pc keayboard and arm wrest cost 10x that of this ms 800 kit :P
[5:28] <SStrife> haha
[5:28] <SStrife> that's the way
[5:28] <pa1983> its carp in comparison but for the pi it will do
[5:29] <pa1983> slaped the pi on a old Samsung SyncMaster 172x TFT screen
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[5:29] <SStrife> hah, same on I'm using :P
[5:29] <SStrife> one*
[5:29] <pa1983> Im just sad that omxplayer is broken for gentoo atm
[5:30] <pa1983> I hade two 172x once in twinview. sold one but have this one as spare for my servers and sutch when needed. Got another old hercules screen to
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[5:32] <pa1983> btw is there some way of geting the pi to get the pi to set the screen i nstandby. I configured xscreensaver but dose not seem to work
[5:33] <pa1983> * little to much pi there
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[5:57] <pa1983> no one?
[5:57] <SwK> pa1983: hey usb bug??? is that just a crappy driver from bcm or does something tickle it?
[5:58] <SStrife> pa1983, I don't think there is, sorry
[5:58] <SStrife> haha
[5:59] <pa1983> I dont know
[5:59] <SStrife> that was sitting in my text box
[5:59] <pa1983> I know a lot of people with wireless keybaords get sticky keys
[5:59] <SStrife> about your monitor standby question
[5:59] <SStrife> i get sticky keys with a wired keyboard :-/
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[5:59] <SStrife> and i've tried about 5 different ones
[5:59] <pa1983> has stomthign to do with the pis usb and lattency, it drops hid packadges or somthing
[6:00] <pa1983> well have you tried usb 1.1 fix in the mean time?
[6:00] <SStrife> nah, that's why i abandoned USB and went ssh/vnc
[6:00] <pa1983> I read they where going to fix the usb keyboard in a new kernel update
[6:00] <pa1983> well if you dont need super fast usb ports you coudl try that fix
[6:00] <SStrife> i don't need them at all ;)
[6:01] <SStrife> i use wired ethernet and ssh/vnc, so I don't use USB anything
[6:01] <pa1983> well 100Mbit network runs of usb to you know
[6:01] <SStrife> yep
[6:01] <SwK> SStrife: add dwc_otg.speed=1 to your cmdline.txt will fix that??? but like pa1983 says that locks you to usb1.1
[6:01] <SStrife> no problems there, it seems.
[6:01] <pa1983> thats the fix I use
[6:01] <SwK> i see it in wired keyboard and usb headset
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[6:01] <SwK> thats the fix I used...
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[6:01] <pa1983> but it will make your 100Mbit lan a 10Mbit lan :D
[6:02] <SStrife> ethernet seems to work just fine though
[6:02] <SStrife> i use nfsroot
[6:02] <SwK> pa1983: i dont need more then 100kbit for what I am doing
[6:02] <pa1983> I run 150Mbit WLan but its cripled by the usb 1.1 atm
[6:02] <SStrife> and it's as fast as running off the SD card,
[6:02] <pa1983> router is 54Mbit tough but I suppose I could upgrade my linux router with a new wlan card to but to lassy for that
[6:03] <SwK> any faster then 10meg to the interwebs is wasted for me at home lol centurylink has the suck dsl
[6:03] <pa1983> My primary PC and server runs 2Gbit
[6:03] <pa1983> got 8Mbit adsl. no fibera valible here :(
[6:04] <SwK> thats close to what I have
[6:04] <pa1983> thats why I buffer everything I DL on my ilserver
[6:04] <pa1983> *filserver
[6:04] <SwK> where I keep my servers, i have diverse gig-e's tho heh
[6:05] <pa1983> gona try out xine now with framebuffer support
[6:05] <SwK> all I have to say is i2c is fun
[6:05] <pa1983> well I have to buffer, 28T of buffer :P
[6:06] <SwK> we do voip so buffering is pretty useless there
[6:06] <pa1983> Im just hoarding :D
[6:06] <SwK> and people complain if even try to jitter buffer to 10 or 20ms to long lol
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[6:08] <pa1983> I cant evne play sd material on this pi with xine and framebuffer
[6:09] <pa1983> need omxplayer to work
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[6:33] <pa1983> have vlc support for the pi gpu for decoding like omxplayer?
[6:33] <Shift_> nope
[6:34] <pa1983> what Im I gona use then
[6:34] <Shift_> the other thing you mentioned
[6:34] <pa1983> omxplayer is no go, xine lags beyond reason even with fbsupport enabled
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[6:34] <Shift_> why not omxplayer?
[6:34] <pa1983> its broken
[6:34] <pa1983> latest ffmpeg broke it apparently
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[6:35] <pa1983> gentoo devs are fixing the ebuild but its not the ebuild only that needs proper fix to the patches, ffmpeg is fubar to apparently due to changes made recently
[6:35] <Shift_> not sure that makes sense, but I'll take your word for it. Downgrade
[6:35] <pa1983> well Im no expert
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[6:36] <SStrife> or grab another SD card and try Raspbian...
[6:36] <pa1983> I told them the patches was no loger working sens omxplayers makefile was updated 1:e february so they tryed to fix that but realised that the new ffmpeg was now incompatible
[6:36] <pa1983> I hate apt-get
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[6:36] <Shift_> omxplayer uses ffmpe g?
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[6:37] <pa1983> they sad they igth have patched up problem in a new ebuild a week or so from now if Im luckey
[6:37] <SStrife> everybody hates (insert package manager that isn't "their one")
[6:37] <pa1983> yeas its like a BIT dependency
[6:37] <Shift_> and yeah... apt-get.... I hate tools that just work >=/
[6:37] <pa1983> if you grab the omxplayer from git and run the make ffmpeg it will pull ffmpeg from git but its no loger compatibel so it wont compile
[6:37] <pa1983> emerge works better :P
[6:38] <pa1983> portage :P
[6:38] <SStrife> everybody thinks theirs is better
[6:38] <pa1983> Yea
[6:38] <pa1983> Ubuntu realy killed the respect I hade for debian haha
[6:38] <Shift_> ah, yeah I vaguely remember omxplayer pulling in ffmpeg, yeah.
[6:38] <pa1983> plus my hardware is to new for me to run stable debian so whats the point then
[6:38] <SStrife> i don't really care, as long as I can go "(something) install (package)" i'm good
[6:38] <SStrife> your hardware might be, but Pi isn't
[6:39] <SStrife> ;)
[6:39] <pa1983> I have more problems with ubuntu that my friend runs then gentoo
[6:39] <pa1983> just the fact that stock theres fare less packadges avalible
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[6:39] <SStrife> for everyday stuff? meh.
[6:39] <pa1983> and every time he adds some the system usualy breaks during upgrades. SO i have to fix it seens he cant install a pc
[6:40] <pa1983> so I hate apt-get :P
[6:40] <SStrife> if you just want to see if the Pi hardware will do what you want, there would be no harm plopping the raspbian image on a spare sd card...
[6:40] <pa1983> I would rather put XBMC on a sd card
[6:41] <pa1983> Im just trying to get this system to have some basic tools if you know what I mean
[6:41] <SStrife> i think your friend might be an idiot :P I don't have any of the random problems that arch/gentoo/redhat people keep whining about
[6:41] <SStrife> yea, fair nuff.
[6:41] <pa1983> well I install ubuntu, he complains about bugs, I fix the bugs, he upgrades ubuntu when it asks, ubuntu breaks
[6:41] <pa1983> thats about it
[6:41] <SStrife> Raspbian isn't Ubuntu though ;)
[6:41] <SStrife> it's Debian
[6:42] <pa1983> until say last few versions of ubuntu I dont know how often it broke during automated upgrades for him
[6:42] <pa1983> I know
[6:42] <pa1983> but there very much alike
[6:42] <pa1983> expet ubuntu is the unstable crap of it
[6:42] <SStrife> blame Canonical
[6:42] <pa1983> have debina in vertualbox but its usless sens debian stable is like 4 years out of date
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[6:43] <pa1983> no modern laptop or desktop can run debian with out usntable packages if you want to get anything out of the harware
[6:43] <pa1983> not even intel HD grapchis support
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[6:43] <SStrife> Pi isn't a modern desktop or laptop ;)
[6:43] <pa1983> no but I still dont like it
[6:43] <pa1983> just reminds me of all the crapy system I have to fix
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[6:44] <SStrife> horses for courses is all i'm saying. You shouldn't write off an option because of past issues with some related item.
[6:44] <SStrife> There's a lot I don't like about Linux as a whole, but I use it all over the place
[6:44] <pa1983> I don like binarys. I like to add or remove what ever I like
[6:44] <SStrife> bla bla bla I'm sure you get it
[6:44] <pa1983> I dont like having 2 binary options when I have a ton of user flags to select from in portage
[6:45] <SStrife> Linux people are so fussy. :P
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[6:45] <SStrife> but all the user flags in the world aren't fixing your media player problem on Pi, are they? ;)
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[6:46] <pa1983> and?
[6:46] <pa1983> I dont want a year old binary ithere thats crap
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[6:47] <pa1983> and out of date
[6:47] <pa1983> dont know how many times ubuntu the latest and greatest is 2 years behind in support compaird to my stable gentoo install
[6:47] <pa1983> Just hate patchin and adding just becuse they cant get there tump out of there behinds
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[6:48] <SStrife> OK
[6:48] <pa1983> and I had plenty of use with the flags. Stripped most stuff from the gui parts etc unless I specificly want it and a lot of other stuff to to slim this install down
[6:48] <SStrife> That's good
[6:48] <SStrife> but does it fix the playback problem ;)
[6:49] <pa1983> no but its not my fault that I was 7 days to late emerging it befor omxplayer was updated and ffmpeg so they broak
[6:49] <pa1983> Had I emerged before february it would most likely have worked
[6:50] <SStrife> it is your fault that you use a distro that puts packages in their stable tree that don't work together ;)
[6:50] <pa1983> and that also means a upgrade for raspian probebly wont come untill its fixed properly any way
[6:50] <kwixson> Anybody willing to help a noob-ish with audio over HDMI problems?
[6:50] <pa1983> SStrife, its an overlay
[6:50] <SStrife> overlay/package/potato
[6:50] <pa1983> and as fare as Im concenred its omxplayer and the creators fault
[6:50] <SStrife> whatever
[6:50] <pa1983> He runs one git branch. He updates and where screwed basicly if it breaks
[6:50] <SStrife> blame gentoo for not QC'ing that version before they let it go live
[6:51] <pa1983> thay cant do anything about it
[6:51] <SStrife> then that's the price you pay for that paradigm
[6:51] <pa1983> when the crator changes the sources and have no distrubution of older versions
[6:51] <pa1983> and its not marked stable ithere
[6:51] <pa1983> for the very reason
[6:52] <pa1983> but theres not many dist where a dev emidiatly jumps on the case and will fix it
[6:52] <SStrife> so. switch to stable?
[6:52] <pa1983> but thats gentoo devs
[6:52] <pa1983> is no stable omxplayer
[6:52] <pa1983> how can there be when theres only git sources
[6:52] <pa1983> I could create my own binary with portage once it works but untill then I have to wait
[6:53] <SStrife> or with sane distributions, you would have slightly-old version that at least works.
[6:53] <pa1983> well do rasbian have omxplayer in stable sources?
[6:53] <SStrife> let me check
[6:53] <pa1983> if not then do not comapair
[6:54] <pa1983> how do you know that upgrading ffmpeg on resbian wont break omxplayer deb ?
[6:54] <pa1983> when ever you get a new ffmpeg that is :P
[6:55] <SStrife> if raspbian adds an ffmpeg to their stable, they'd have likely tested that it works with whatever depends on it
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[6:55] <pa1983> I run the same ffmpeg on my primary machine, mpleyer work, xine work, vlc work with it
[6:55] <pa1983> but not omxplayer
[6:56] <pa1983> id not think omxplayer have high priority even in debian
[6:56] <pa1983> but any way if they fix it Im happy
[6:56] <pa1983> will find out in a week or so I hope
[6:57] <pa1983> Cant remeber the last time I had this kind of a problem. Have 5 gentoo machines. Used it for 12 years
[6:58] <SStrife> well it looks like i didn't leave my Pi on, so I couldn't tell you off hand.
[6:58] <SwK> can you just install an older version from portage?
[6:58] <SStrife> or my Pi has frozen. :-/
[6:58] <pa1983> I have ubuntu on one and have used debian but I find gentoos dev are more on the case to fix stuff so I usualy nver have a problem with stuff like this and if there are there usualy fixed over night
[6:59] <SStrife> but anyway, i'm not having a go at gentoo, not saying it's useless, s**t, whatever, but this is the risk when the repo's aren't vetted.
[6:59] <pa1983> SwK, there is on ebuild. it runs of omxplayer git, if git breaks the ebuild then no
[6:59] <SStrife> binary-based distros aren't bleeding-edge, but are usually better vetted/tested/whatever,
[6:59] <SStrife> it's a trade off, and all are welcome
[6:59] <pa1983> git was updated and broke some patches but that was not the big problem. Big problem is that newer ffmpeg seems to have problem compiling with omxplayer
[7:00] <SStrife> and it's silly to completely write off a distro, or family of distros, because you "don't like" some aspect.
[7:00] <SwK> you cant tell the ebuild to use a specific git hash?
[7:00] <pa1983> well thats what I find strange. My gentoo machines runs ither stable or unstable or a mix. THere rock solid unless the hardware breaks. I have more problems with binary distros that run what is suppos to be true and tested
[7:00] <SStrife> what are you doing to them to have problems even?
[7:00] <pa1983> Only time my gentoo machines are down is for Hardware services
[7:01] <pa1983> take my frinds that runs ubuntu
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[7:01] <pa1983> its crap. Next update there is a bug shutting the dam backligth off
[7:01] <SStrife> i brought up a ubuntu-server box to do dhcp/dns/etc about 4 months ago, and it's been up every day since.
[7:01] <pa1983> or usb ports break with the new kernel
[7:01] <pa1983> always somthing
[7:01] <SStrife> rebooted once to "do-dist-upgrade"
[7:01] <kwixson> I can't get audio working. I've googled, messed around a fair bit. No joy. Help?
[7:02] <pa1983> always seems to be somthing thats breaks with say ubuntu
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[7:02] <pa1983> I have always selected my kernel soruces my self and compiled it my self for example
[7:03] <pa1983> If gentoo breaks its your fault usualy. If ubuntu breaks its usually due to bugs
[7:03] <SStrife> you must be cursed then.
[7:04] <pa1983> I erpsonaly hate precompiled kernels. My Pi is the only one that have on that I havent configured manualy and compiled
[7:04] <SStrife> but i don't use linux on desktops, only headless servers
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[7:04] <SStrife> Pi being the exception (also Cubieboard if you cound Android as Linux)
[7:04] <pa1983> well google for ubuntu and e-machines. THey know about a backligth bug that kills the backligth at boot and that was know for 2 YEARS
[7:04] <pa1983> I mean thats kind of serious but not to ubuntu team thats ju a minor bug
[7:05] <SStrife> that's unfortunate.
[7:05] <pa1983> yea they decided it was time to fix it for the next releas
[7:05] <pa1983> been there troug out 10.10 to 12.10
[7:05] <pa1983> a howl range of emachines was effected and many intel grapich powered laptops in general
[7:05] <SStrife> but a distro that's build for one single SBC (raspbian for Pi) shouldn't be compared to a "for everybody's crappy clone machines" distro like Ubuntu/xubuntu/etc
[7:06] <pa1983> DIdent say that ithere
[7:06] <SStrife> i know
[7:06] <SStrife> but the things that put you off Ubuntu don't really apply to Raspbian
[7:06] <pa1983> but I refuse to run debian sens it outdated for my hardware and the howl point of true and tested is lost if you need to update it to unstable.
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[7:07] <pa1983> ubuntu is so unstable and its not even nearly as up to date as a gentoo stable system and even a unstable gentoo install is more reliable
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[7:07] <pa1983> Took ubuntu team almost 2 years to get vdpau suport in
[7:07] <pa1983> It was demed "unstable"
[7:08] <SStrife> Debian squeeze is only 4 months old.
[7:08] <SwK> and its alive! heh http://imgur.com/a/7VBBA
[7:08] <pa1983> still there os crashes a hell of a lot more and I used vdpau for 2 years while ubuntu users had to wait or patch it in. I patched it in for my friends
[7:09] <pa1983> my debina stable install runs kernel 2.6.... so modern
[7:09] <Shift_> hmm... that style of keypad might be handy for my project
[7:09] <SStrife> so, install from new media then?
[7:09] <pa1983> cant even use the gpu on a sandybridge on that sense theres no drivers, vesa of fb is so fun
[7:09] <SwK> theres something to be said about old and boring when it comes to production servers
[7:10] <pa1983> SStrife, I find gentoo to be up to date and stable at the same time. SUre you ahve to set it up and dont make any missakes but it pays of down the road
[7:10] <SwK> Shift_: keypad is ~4USD at Adafruit??? if you dig around some of the other places you can find it a little cheaper if you can handle waiting on shipping from china
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[7:11] <SwK> compiling everything from source??? Aint no body got time fo dat
[7:11] <Shift_> I actually need something with a different mask/layout. Just directional arrows and an enter sort of deal would do. Otherwise I'd just end up using a keypad for navigation, which is a bit silly.
[7:11] <pa1983> SwK, on mu primary rig the adsl is the limit most of the time
[7:11] <SwK> Shift_: you just need 5 gpios for that
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[7:12] <Shift_> For what I need, I can get away with 3
[7:12] <SwK> up down enter?
[7:12] <Shift_> are you including the power and gnd?
[7:13] <SStrife> pa1983, you've made that abundantly clear. I'm saying that there is an inherent risk in having bleeding-edge everything, as you have experienced here today. Through luck or through fastidiousness, you've avoided it so far, and good for you for achieving that.
[7:13] <SwK> nope
[7:13] <Shift_> wait... my brain derped a little there, heh
[7:13] <SwK> Shift_: you only need 5 GPIO and gnd for a DPad and select/enter key
[7:13] <Shift_> yeah 6 >.>
[7:13] <Shift_> dpad, enter, cancel
[7:13] <pa1983> SStrife, well I used gentoo for 12 years on a howl range of computers, alpha, ppc etc. Its extremly flexible.
[7:13] <SStrife> that's nice
[7:13] <pa1983> SStrife, one hiccup like this is not much considering.
[7:14] <SStrife> I've used debian and relatives for quite a long time (not quite 12 years) on a decent variety of systems. It is likewise quite flexible.
[7:14] <SwK> you could do that with 5 GPIO 3 external pullups and Vcc
[7:15] <SStrife> Your trouble with Ubuntu is lamentable, but it's hardly an indictment on the entire debian-like "family" (for want of a better term... :-/)
[7:15] <SwK> 6 buttons is the break over point from discrete to matrix keypads heh
[7:15] <pa1983> SStrife, well I have used debian to but was some time ago not counting vertual machines. BUt a lot of people that are beginers use ubuntu and thats just a unstable mess as fare as I am conserned
[7:15] <SStrife> So don't use Ubuntu
[7:15] <pa1983> SStrife, my frinds new latops hsa problems all the time, howl unity crawls to a halt and is unresponsive for 5 minutes on an i5 and 6Gb ram
[7:16] <pa1983> SStrife, I usualy dont but other people
[7:16] <SStrife> I have never, ever, ever said "I would never use apt-get because x"
[7:16] <pa1983> + do
[7:16] <pa1983> SStrife, I tryed another dist for him but he got mad and wanted ubuntu again
[7:16] <SStrife> I have never said "I would never use X because Y"
[7:16] <pa1983> my fault, shuld see when he has windows, 1 week and 250 viruses
[7:16] <SStrife> if a use case comes up where X is going to work, I'll use it.
[7:17] <pa1983> I dont like apt-get but im pricky and I still rate it second after portage
[7:18] <SStrife> "prickly" is the word I've wanted for a while now, but couldn't pick it. Thanks! :P~~~
[7:18] <pa1983> -r then
[7:18] <Shift_> This looked good until I saw the price http://au.element14.com/mec/9509136118/switch-module-black/dp/1390595
[7:19] <SwK> Shift_: you need a LCD?
[7:19] <pa1983> this ms 800 keyboard is very soft and not that fun to write on :P
[7:20] <SwK> Shift_: or do you need to have something that looks pro
[7:20] <Shift_> nuh, I'll probably just end up cloberring together whatever I find in the parts bin. Just looking around to see what else is out there.
[7:20] <Shift_> But yeah, It'll need an LCD.
[7:20] <des2> Try typing on it instead of writing.
[7:22] * Shift_ has grown fond of his razer mechanical keyboard.
[7:22] <kwixson> Grrr.
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[7:24] <SwK> Shift_: https://www.adafruit.com/products/1110 no cancel/back button??? but its cheap idk if that will fit your needs but its 25 bucks for the kit
[7:24] * SStrife is now known as SS-Away
[7:24] <Shift_> plus <insert silly amount here> for shipping from America. =D
[7:24] <SwK> lolol
[7:24] <SwK> there is that part also
[7:24] <piney> Shift_, http://dx.com/p/lcd-keypad-shield-for-arduino-duemilanove-lcd-1602-118059 ??
[7:25] <Shift_> ooh
[7:25] <Shift_> 5v though, isn't it?
[7:25] <SwK> i suppose we could parcel post it down to you and you would receive it about time to go on holiday for xmas
[7:25] <Shift_> heh
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[7:26] <Shift_> the dx one looks like a good deal, though I am guessing it's 5v rather than 3v3
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[7:26] <piney> yea, not too sure if 3v3 would ve enough for a high state on that one
[7:26] <piney> be*
[7:27] <SwK> Shift_: cram a i2c chip in there and a i2c level shifter
[7:27] <piney> a few transistors / mosftes can fix that though
[7:27] * piney is typoing left and right tonight
[7:27] <SwK> smomething like a MCP23017 for i2c works well w/ rpi (i've got 2 on that breadboard in those pix
[7:28] <Shift_> Yeah we've talked about that before, heh. I've go 5 of those and another 5 5v tolerant buffers.
[7:29] <Shift_> didn't know dx carried stuff like that though, so thanks for the heads up, piney.
[7:30] <piney> yea, dx is one of my new favorite sites
[7:30] <SwK> i know the MCP23017 is tolerant of both 3v3 and 5v....
[7:30] <piney> that item is in my wish list, working on an order
[7:30] <Shift_> last time I head that dx took months to ship though, is that still the case?
[7:31] <piney> i don't know yet
[7:31] <piney> haven't ordered in the past
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[7:31] <Shift_> fair enough
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[7:39] <des2> I gave up on DX due to long ship times
[7:39] <des2> These days I find the same thing from an ebay seller in china that ships faster
[7:41] <des2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Keypad-Shield-Blue-Backlight-For-Arduino-Duemilanove-Robot-LCD-1602-Board-/180830096802
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[7:53] <kwixson> Okay. Audio in CLI, check. Audio in X, not so much.
[7:57] <Shift_> There's no difference, check what backend it's using.
[7:57] <kwixson> How do you mean?
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[7:58] <Shift_> pulseaudio? alsa? is it using the hardware directly?
[7:58] <Shift_> This chart will clear everything up http://www.indygo.de/misc/linux_audio.png
[7:59] <Shift_> (it won't, linux audio is terrible)
[7:59] <kwixson> Got me.
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[7:59] <kwixson> Looked at that and my eyes crossed.
[7:59] <Shift_> What is the application that's not working?
[7:59] <kwixson> I was all excited about Minecraft on the rpi
[8:00] <kwixson> No audio.
[8:00] <kwixson> I'm looking for some way to play mp3's in X to test it out, but haven't found anything yet.
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[8:01] <Shift_> X doesn't have its' own audio backend, it shouldn't matter whether it's X or not.
[8:01] <kwixson> Well, I can use aplay to play a WAV file and mpeg321 to play an mp3
[8:02] <SwK> setting the right device to use in X?
[8:02] <Shift_> Are you sure minecraft pi edition has audio to begin with?
[8:02] <kwixson> SwK: How's that?
[8:02] <kwixson> Shift_: Umm. No?
[8:03] <Shift_> I'd verify that first. I am looking at the gameplay videos and I am not hearing any in-game audio.
[8:04] <SwK> kwixson: lol how to do that? lol idk ??? i havent used X in ages??? i was just asking??? i know i didnt have much issues last time I check out pjsip (I think thats the right one) on the rpi in X (its a softphone)
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[8:05] <kwixson> Shift_: Okay. I'll buy that. Hmm. What could I use to play an mp3 (GUI-wise)?
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[8:05] <Shift_> try audacious
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[8:06] <kwixson> Thanks! Installing.
[8:06] <Shift_> not sure why, but good luck
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[8:12] <kwixson> Audacious installed. MP3 doesn't do anything, and playing a WAV file makes some noise???sorta...
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[8:13] <Shift_> go into the options and play with the backend settings
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[8:23] <kwixson> Nothing works.
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[8:27] <kwixson> *sigh* Well, another time. Thanks for the input.
[8:27] <rikkib> Can't be that bad.
[8:28] <kwixson> rikkib: Maybe I can figure it out after I've gotten some sleep.
[8:28] <rikkib> Always a good isea
[8:28] <kwixson> Currently failing on my Data Search extended test. (Shadowrun reference)
[8:28] <rikkib> idea
[8:29] <rikkib> Many times back in the early 90's I got very frustrated with Linux
[8:30] <rikkib> After a while I learned to get over that.
[8:30] <rikkib> Now days it just come naturally
[8:30] <rikkib> Plus time to read and search the Internet
[8:32] <kwixson> I'll make myself feel better by printing a new case for one of my rpi's
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[8:37] <rikkib> Bed time.
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[8:45] <Jck_true> Annnnnd two more Raspberries on the way :)
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[8:50] <_ember> someone have experience with wiringPiI2C ?
[8:51] <Jck_true> _ember: I used the raw I2C functions - It's not that complicated
[8:51] <_ember> my setup executes correctly (return 11), buto read returns -1. errno is 9 (wchis is EBADF - bad file number)
[8:52] <_ember> Jck_true: from which library? i2c-dev ?
[8:52] <Jck_true> _ember: Yeah
[8:52] <Jck_true> _ember: Have you tested that your device discovers? i2cdetect
[8:52] <Jck_true> _ember: https://bitbucket.org/furyfire/raspi/src/dfae0260cab55073b3ceca22b8f72eb14332d839/hw/pcf2119x/main.c?at=default
[8:52] <_ember> yes, I can communicatee with it via CMI no problem
[8:53] <_ember> *CMI = CLI
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[8:54] <_ember> Jck_true: thanks, I will check it
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[9:33] <gordonDrogon> _ember, I have some experience with wiringPiI2C ...
[9:36] <markedathome> does anyone know how to stop i2c-adapter log messages being spammed into dmesg/messages?
[9:36] <gordonDrogon> turn off syslog :)
[9:36] <markedathome> yeah, but that is useful for other things :-)
[9:36] <gordonDrogon> although I can't say I've ever noticed any myself.
[9:37] <_ember> gordon - no doubt :)
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[9:37] <markedathome> I get this, for a pcf8635 realtime clock >> i2c-adapter i2c-0: master_xfer[0] W, addr=0x51, len=2
[9:38] <gordonDrogon> what are you doing to get that message?
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[9:40] <gordonDrogon> _ember, are you stuck with anything, or just a general enquiry?
[9:41] <_ember> I'm stuck
[9:41] <_ember> one moment :)
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> just read your forum msg.
[9:41] <_ember> yes, so this is my problem, I don;t know how to move it
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[9:42] <_ember> although i just manages to do it using i2c-dev directly
[9:42] <gordonDrogon> when you i2cdetect, does it return the right number?
[9:42] <_ember> yes, I can read time via python
[9:43] <gordonDrogon> and you call wiringPiI2CSetup() with that same number?
[9:44] <_ember> one moment, i just noticed something
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[9:51] <_ember> gordonDrogon: stupid mistake of mine, I passed device ID to wiringPiI2CReadReg8, insted of opened file resource
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> :)
[9:51] <_ember> thanks for help !
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> is it working OK now?
[9:51] <_ember> yes :)
[9:52] <gordonDrogon> excellent.
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[9:53] <gordonDrogon> you may find that you need to read the clock in a single operation though - most of these RTCs do - as it then freezes the time read during that operation (although you may already be doing that!)
[9:54] <_ember> actualy my rtc is just test device, i do not need it yet :)
[9:54] <_ember> it's cheap, so I prefer to destroy it, rather then ma gy-80 :)
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[9:54] <_ember> but thanks for advice
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[9:55] <gordonDrogon> well it's a good test.
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[9:55] <gordonDrogon> I've been playing with RTCs recently too. One is the pfc8365 chip - not mine, but on a Remote Pi.
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> The other is the DS1302 - that's not I2C, but a bit-banged protocoll.
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> all good fun!
[9:56] <_ember> :)\
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> I've actually written a driver for that one and put it in wiringPi.
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[9:56] <_ember> mine doesn;t even have battery supply now, so it's kindof usless :)
[9:57] <gordonDrogon> yes - somewhat sub-optimal... but good for testing I2C stuff though.
[9:57] <_ember> exactly
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> Have to say; I'm not a great fan of I2C, but it does seem to have its uses.
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[10:10] <gordonDrogon> Can you post a -solved follow-up to that message on the forum when you get a moment?
[10:14] <_ember> sure
[10:15] <_ember> hm, i cannot edit my posts
[10:15] <_ember> just the last one
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> yea, just add another.
[10:17] <_ember> ahh, yes, I did it already :)
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> gotta show this again - I'm still quite chuffed by it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSCBj6rabIU&feature=youtu.be
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[10:20] <_ember> nice :)
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[10:27] <rymate1234> jdk8 is best jdk
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[10:39] <TeeCee> Is there an easy way for me to get my Pi to send mail to my gmail when i.e. cron fails? I've seen a couple solutions, but all involve me putting my gmail password in some config file... is that really neccessary?
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[10:40] <egrouse> most probably TeeCee, yes
[10:41] <egrouse> you could install sendmail and use the 'mail' app to send mail without using the authentication
[10:41] <egrouse> however your ISP may block the outgoing mail as spam
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[10:41] <chithead> also gmail may block the mail as spam if you don't have proper rdns and/or are on dialup
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[10:46] <TeeCee> But will cron send me mail when failing using this solution?
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[11:32] <pa1983> waned to see how the graphics was on the pi
[11:32] <pa1983> ./minecraft-pi: symbol lookup error: /opt/vc/lib/libGLESv2.so: undefined symbol: client_tls
[11:32] <pa1983> well got that instead
[11:32] <pa1983> latest firmware from the git
[11:33] <Shift_> updated using rpi-update or manually?
[11:35] <pa1983> think I foudn the problem
[11:35] <pa1983> I alwasy ask to soon :D
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[11:36] <Shift_> what was the problem?
[11:36] <pa1983> lets say the info I got was missleading
[11:36] <pa1983> it sad it was from the git but it was a mirror and it was well old
[11:36] <pa1983> so think thats why
[11:36] <pa1983> do it manualy instead
[11:37] <pa1983> Will sue git to pull it down my self
[11:41] <pa1983> *use
[11:42] <pa1983> xmw overlay for gentoo is well out of date in all respects it seems
[11:42] <pa1983> anoying
[11:42] <egrouse> gentoo on raspi?
[11:43] <pa1983> yea
[11:43] <Shift_> Wait... were you the guy who was all "wah, I am not going to use Arch because it's not maintained wah" or was that someone else?
[11:45] <Zarek_> is there a GPIO driver under plan 9? going to install it tomorrow, and just wondering
[11:46] <egrouse> pa1983: compiling on some other box i gues? i looked briefly at gentoo but i figured it take a million years to install anything on the pi lol
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[11:57] <gordonDrogon> I suspect that with Plan 9 you may be the first to write the gpio driver for them... :)
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[12:00] <pa1983> this is geting anoying
[12:00] <pa1983> think I need to bypass that main polyfuse or somthing
[12:00] <pa1983> probebly why my wlan dies
[12:01] <Shift_> check the voltages first. TP1-TP2 and across F3
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[12:02] <pa1983> yea have to do somthing
[12:02] <pa1983> seems to happen when I recive and send at the same time
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[12:03] <Kisume> Plugging in my Sitecom WiFi adapter shuts down my Pi due to overvoltage. Should a powered hub fix this?
[12:03] <Kisume> Looking at a 7-port hub...
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[12:04] <pa1983> overvoltage?
[12:04] <af1> i know its not pi related but you lot are the coolest hardware hackers i know.. its for an amiga do you think i can get the compenents to make this from maplin, i know i will need to cut down a parallel connector http://www.ianstedman.co.uk/Amiga/amiga_hacks/Amiga_SCART/amiga_scart.html
[12:04] <Kisume> Overvoltage, I assume so... yes.
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[12:06] <Shift_> af1, i don't know about maplin, but definitely farnell/newark/element14 or digikey
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[12:06] <af1> but i want it today lol
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[12:07] <InControl> doubt maplin will have 23 pin D plug
[12:07] <Shift_> Why scart? why not audio and composite directly through the resistors? am I missing something?
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[12:08] <Shift_> nvrm >.>
[12:08] <Shift_> "In Europe, SCART used to be the most common method of connecting audio-visual equipment together"
[12:08] <Shift_> not common here afaik
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[12:09] <af1> you can cut down a parallel connector
[12:09] <InControl> composite is crap, that is why you want scart for the RGB
[12:09] <pa1983> how safe is it to bypas the polyfuse or feed it from the usb ports instead?
[12:10] <af1> composite it terrible and rf is worse
[12:10] <Shift_> pa1983, exactly as safe as you think. backfeeding through usb is the safer option.
[12:11] <af1> shift_ i imagine it was common 10 years ago
[12:12] <pa1983> Shift_, see if they have some cables in the local store
[12:12] <Shift_> pa1983, what? I don't need cables O_o
[12:12] <af1> its me that does!!
[12:13] <af1> im gonna see if i can find one in the loft
[12:13] <Shift_> af1, get them yourself! >=/
[12:13] <af1> Shift_ can you just stop moaning and pop out and get me one :P
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[12:13] <af1> ;)
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[12:14] <af1> lol
[12:14] <Shift_> af1, can't you check the maplin online catalog first?
[12:15] <af1> i guess that could work
[12:16] <Shift_> from what I can tell, Maplin is a consumer electronics store, not a real electronics store. O_o
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[12:17] <af1> its a kind of electronic store
[12:17] <Shift_> looks sucky
[12:18] <Shift_> well I see scart plugs and sockets there, so... halfway there
[12:19] <Shift_> Don't know what the other connector style is called.... and it's not DIN as the other guy suggested
[12:19] <markedathome> af1: register your postcode on maplin, and then search for the product, it will tell you if your store has the item / quantity in stock
[12:19] <af1> which type of cable do i need? does it need to be sheilded or anything
[12:20] <Shift_> You can buy a standard scart cable and cut off an end and mod it as needed. I would buy just the plug/socket and solder the wires directly.
[12:21] <markedathome> probably fully wired scart
[12:21] <markedathome> should be around 5-10ukp
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[12:21] <af1> i shall do that!
[12:21] <Shift_> The DB-23 connector is going to be the tricky one
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[12:23] <markedathome> try some of the audio/visual places as well. maplins have cables for 15 for 0.75m, to 20 for 3 m length.
[12:23] <af1> db25 and cut last 2 off
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[12:24] <Shift_> if you have something that will do the job, you should be set
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[12:24] * Jck_true still remember when SCART was the bomb :|
[12:25] <af1> i remember my dad buying stupidly thick scart cables for ultra vhs sexiness
[12:25] <Shift_> I see a lot of those on ebay though
[12:26] <Jck_true> af1: ATleast that made sense - Compared my dad buying 50? HDMI cables today after the store clerk said it would make the image better
[12:26] <Shift_> heh
[12:26] <af1> i had this argument with one of my colleages
[12:26] <double-you> hehe
[12:26] <double-you> I really bought the cheapest hdmi calble from ebay...
[12:26] <double-you> and sometimes the screen goes off
[12:27] <Jck_true> double-you: How long a cable?
[12:27] <mjr> how long is the cable?
[12:27] <double-you> so I prefer buying the second cheapest :-)
[12:27] <af1> so i just said, " next time you upload images to your laptop with your digital camera make sure you use a really big cable"
[12:27] <double-you> 1 metre
[12:27] <markedathome> using a 1ukp poundland hdmi cable.
[12:27] <af1> i am using a tesco value one
[12:28] <Jck_true> Only trouble I've seen with HDMI was one guy thinking he could pull 10 meters the wrong way around the walls in his living room
[12:28] <mjr> double-you, well that's a pooy cable then (presuming it's its fault, which isn't a given unless diagnosed properly)
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[12:28] <malcom2073> Yeah I have all sorts of issues with audio on one of my cheaper cables
[12:28] <malcom2073> second-cheapest is usually good though ehh
[12:28] <malcom2073> heh*
[12:29] <mjr> on short cables there really shouldn't be a difference but I suppose people will make shoddy products in any case
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[12:30] <Jck_true> I had to buy 5 differnt microusb cables from DealExtreme before having luck :P
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[12:33] <double-you> first I thought it is a physical problem with the cheap hdmi cable... but there was no way to stop the issue
[12:34] <Jck_true> double-you: try the hdmi_boost thing?
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[12:34] <af1> maplin may be sucky but i still like going to a store and getting things physically in my hand
[12:35] <double-you> it is not really pi-related. I should just throw away the cable
[12:35] <dwatkins> do people here have any thoughts on buying a Pi from modmypi.com, please?
[12:36] <neilr> dwatkins: I've had some cases from them in the past. Seem like a good bunch of people. No problems at all.
[12:36] <Shift_> I bought a case there as well. Not a fan of the case, but no problem with the service.
[12:38] <dwatkins> thanks folks, they seem to have good reviews and if I can get all my stuff in one place for my 2nd Pi, that's easier :)
[12:38] <Shift_> They lose points for selling heat sinks though
[12:39] <dwatkins> I thought my Pi was a little warm the other day, but not enough to need a heatsink.
[12:39] <dwatkins> I had also managed to run out of RAM running cpan, which ground it to a halt and didn't help my diagnosis ;)
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[12:40] <Jck_true> haha yeah that's a nice one - Letting it chew on something for a few hours - then discover it crashed because you didn't have swap set up
[12:40] <Jck_true> On that note... Anybody know the measurements size of the CPU/RAM block?
[12:40] <dwatkins> I had 500 MB of swap, perhaps there was something else going on, but I ended up installing cpanm (the minimalist version) and was able to get the library I needed
[12:41] <dwatkins> I ended up cheating and running a system command for this temperature probe, as the library didn't work with my USB device.
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[12:48] <gordonDrogon> dwatkins, does /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp not work for you?
[12:48] <Mortvert> Any of you compiled synchro.net on rpi yet?
[12:48] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: oh cool, an internal one? I wanted to check the ambient temperature in the room but will look into that too...
[12:49] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: awesome, that wasn't an option last time I checked: temp=39.0'C
[12:49] <dwatkins> I can forgive the use of an apostrophe ;)
[12:49] <tzarc> you mean ?? ? :P
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[12:50] <dwatkins> tzarc: indeed, I'd just run the output through sed to get that symbol
[12:50] <dwatkins> C2B0 iirc
[12:50] <dwatkins> 0xC2B0, that is
[12:50] <tzarc> pretty much
[12:50] <tzarc> well, more likely to be 0xB0C2, considering endianness :P
[12:51] <tzarc> of course, it'd be { 0xC2, 0xB0 } in mem, but eh
[12:51] <dwatkins> ah yes, I think I had to write it that way around in my echo/printf statement when I was printing it for use in my GNU Screen status line
[12:51] <dwatkins> echo -e "$Green$Temperature\xC2\xB0C"
[12:52] * tzarc nods
[12:52] <pa1983> still get ./minecraft-pi: symbol lookup error: /opt/vc/lib/libGLESv2.so: undefined symbol: client_tls
[12:52] <dwatkins> I should probably put these scripts onto github.
[12:52] <pa1983> latest firmware from git did not help
[12:52] <pa1983> anoying
[12:53] <tzarc> sounds like a missing dep
[12:53] <pa1983> question is what
[12:53] <pa1983> I added libpng12.so.0 that was missing so no wining about that
[12:54] <Viper-7> tls would suggest SSL ?
[12:54] <Mortvert> libGLES, like it says. I think.
[12:54] <Viper-7> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=9693 looks relevant tho
[12:54] <tzarc> I'd have thought openssl too, but
[12:54] <tzarc> yeah
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[12:54] <tzarc> dunno, I run my pi's headless
[12:54] <pa1983> ssl for minecraft?
[12:55] <Viper-7> why not?
[12:55] <chithead> tls means thread local storage in this context
[12:55] * tzarc has never used minecraft
[12:56] <pa1983> Im checking
[12:56] <pa1983> see if I miss that
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> dwatkins, that's been avalable for a few months IIRC.
[12:57] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: cool (no pun intended...)
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> dwatkins, don't worry until it reaches about 70C.
[12:58] <pa1983> op?enssl 1.0.1c isntalled
[12:58] <pa1983> was sure I had it
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[12:59] <pa1983> to new to old?
[12:59] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: good to know, thanks - I might add it to my munin graph just for fun, though
[13:00] <pa1983> what version is there on raspian
[13:01] <chithead> "/opt/vc/lib/libGLESv2.so: undefined symbol: client_tls" is not related to transport layer security in any way
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[13:02] <pa1983> well I have the latest libGLESc2.so from git now any way an all other librarys
[13:02] <pa1983> dident make a difference
[13:02] <pa1983> I missing somthing but I dont know what
[13:03] <Jck_true> Does anybody have some more specs on the Audio port? Wondering if you could run the old "R/L audio to IR" trick
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[13:29] <linuxstb> Jck_true: What's the "R/L audio to IR" trick?
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[13:30] <Jck_true> linuxstb: http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Infrared-transmitter-for-iPhone-iPod/
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[13:31] <Jck_true> Connect two IR emitters to L/R on a stereo soundcard
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[13:31] <Jck_true> By playing a properly formatted wav file you emulate IR codes
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[13:32] <Jck_true> http://code.google.com/p/ledrem/
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[13:34] <markedathome> why not just connect ir to the gpio?
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[13:35] <Jck_true> Avoid messing too much with timing
[13:36] <markedathome> the problem is that the audio jack has a 'thump' to start, -- too much applied bias? i can't rightly remember the details, but it is noisy.
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[13:38] <Jck_true> IR blast? That's still pretty harmless to humans :D
[13:38] <Jck_true> Worse if it was UV
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[13:40] <Mortvert> Try microwave
[13:40] <markedathome> someone posted the wave form from an audacity input for a silent opening of the audio. it looked something like __/-------- rather than _______
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[13:42] <Jck_true> I'll give it a go one of the days - Worse can happen is blow up the analog output which i'm not using anyway :)
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[13:51] <gordonDrogon> unlikely to 'blow' the analog output from the Pi.
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> it's not that complicated - and it's AC coupled too.
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[14:00] <pa1983> I hade to use "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib ./minecraft-pi" to get it to run
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[14:05] <jacekowski> minecraft on pi, that has to be slow
[14:06] <pa1983> worked better then expected but yea
[14:07] <pa1983> had to try out the gpu
[14:07] <pa1983> make sure stuff work
[14:09] <steve_rox> mc on pi is speedy
[14:09] <steve_rox> more clipping tho
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[14:48] <Mortvert> DeliriumTremens - o/
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[15:09] <IT_Sean> Good morning
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[15:09] <applegekko> woot kernel 3.8 is out
[15:10] <applegekko> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_f2fs_benchmarks&num=1
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[15:15] <jelly1> woot stupid link
[15:15] <jelly1> https://lwn.net/Articles/538914/rss
[15:16] <Shift_> woot... a slight number increase with no other noticable difference =D
[15:17] <jelly1> Shift_: wrong
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[15:17] <Shift_> how so?
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[16:00] <jelly1> Shift_: ext4 changes are nice
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[16:26] <elek> anyone get the new f2fs going on raspbian yet?
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[16:27] <jelly1> elek: no 3.8 and a Pi yet
[16:28] <elek> been awhile since i compiled a kernel.. ill give it a shot tonight
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[16:45] <Weaselweb> elek: afaik there are only branches for 3.2 and 3.6
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[16:52] <sofyan> hello guys :D
[16:52] <sofyan> anyone has experience with ipv6? o.o
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[16:55] <gordonDrogon> sofyan, Me.
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[17:15] <sofyan> gordonDrogon: hello
[17:16] <sofyan> gordonDrogon: i made a ipv6-4 tunnel using netassist okay?
[17:16] <sofyan> gordonDrogon: and i ran motion on my raspberry pi
[17:18] <sofyan> gordonDrogon: i want to access the webcam stream from my laptop using windows 7 or ubuntu
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[17:19] <sofyan> gordonDrogon: how can i do that? please am hopeless
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[17:46] <TopGear> Hi. I'm trying to get the GUI from the RPi to my OS X 10.8.2 via SSH, but I can't get it to work. Anyone who knows what I should do?
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> sofyan, Hi. Sorry - I have native IPv6 here. I've no idea about tunnels.
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> sofyan, I've no idea about streaming a webcam either - sorry.
[17:47] <sofyan> gordonDrogon: hmmm
[17:47] <sofyan> i just need to know how to use ipv6 address in server or client
[17:47] <zopiac> TopGear: do you have X forwarding enabled in your /etc/ssh/sshd.conf file?
[17:49] <TopGear> zopiac: Yes, I do. If you mean /etc/ssh/sshd_config.
[17:49] <zopiac> yeah that's probably the file I meant :P
[17:50] <zopiac> and are you trying to connect using the ssh flag -X?
[17:50] <TopGear> Yes. But the ssh_config had no, so I'll give it a go this way.
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[17:52] <TopGear> zopiac: Always the same error: "Can not open display ' '."
[17:53] <zopiac> OS X comes with an X server installed by default right?
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[17:54] <TopGear> Not sure, actually. It worked via W7, but my mac won't really listen to me :/ I guess X11 was removed since 10.7 or 10.8
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> sofyan, there are some good Debian tutorials on IPv6 - and remember Raspbian is just Debian for the Pi.
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[17:55] <zopiac> Well you can install an X server... in your apps directory there is no X11 app, even in subdirectories?
[17:56] <TopGear> I'm an idiot. I haven't installed X11 yet -_-
[17:56] <xiambax> My RPi's get here and noon. Stoked.
[17:56] <zopiac> Hehe, I've made those mistakes as well :P
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[17:57] <TopGear> (I must be honest, my OS X is running on a PC. Poor teenagers you know :p)
[17:57] <xiambax> I tried OSXLATITUDE once
[17:58] <xiambax> graphics drivers and sound didn't work
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[17:58] <zopiac> Hackintoshes, yeah, I still need to set one up for myself
[17:59] <TopGear> It's really fun. Though my hardware is supported so well I had it running within two hours. So much for a project...
[18:01] <zopiac> I haven't even thought of setting one up in a while
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[18:01] <TopGear> Anyway, got to log off and log on again soon. X11's installed.
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[18:02] <zopiac> you have to reboot after installations?
[18:02] <TopGear> Nah, just log out and in.
[18:02] <zopiac> still, interesting
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[18:02] <zopiac> I'd think you could just run the programme from the applications directory
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[18:03] <TopGear> No, it says it isn't installed. Some kind of post-installation config probably.
[18:03] <zopiac> interesting
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[18:09] <TopGear> Not gorgeous, but it works.
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[18:14] <usc911> Hey, anybody got a link to a build of debian without any gui?
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[18:16] <nid0> apt-get remove xserver lxde
[18:17] <nid0> will pretty much get rid of raspbian's ui
[18:17] <usc911> winner
[18:17] <usc911> cheers
[18:17] <nid0> you'll then want to do an autoremove to get rid of (lots of) orphaned packages
[18:18] <usc911> yeah this was what I kind of wanted to avoid
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[18:20] <usc911> hmmm
[18:20] <usc911> guess I will have to
[18:20] <angelos> what's wrong with those two steps?
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[18:21] <usc911> nothing I guess, just if there was an image about with what I want already I thought I would just grab that
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[18:22] <DoWhileGeek> how do I set my pi to boot into cli, not desktop?
[18:22] <TopGear> What's the Raspbian filemanager called?
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[18:24] <Torikun> pcmanfm or thunar probably TopGear
[18:25] <TopGear> Thanks
[18:25] <beers> DoWhileGeek: If using Raspbian it should be a setting in raspi-config
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[18:33] <beers> What's the average upper overclock limit on these things
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[18:34] <IT_Sean> beers: SOME people have gotten 'em to 1GHz
[18:34] <IT_Sean> with overvolting
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[18:35] <beers> Hm, I bumped mine to 1150/500/600 but it keeps chugging along.
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[18:41] <ParkerR> beers, It may still be on a powersave govenor. cat /sys/devices/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
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[18:41] <ParkerR> Thats from memory may be wrong
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[18:42] <ParkerR> It's i that general location
[18:42] <ParkerR> *in
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[18:46] <beers> thanks, looks like it's on ondemand. I was curious if there was a huge amount of headroom left but probably isn't looking like it
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[18:53] <deadalps> can some1 help me compiling a arm linux kernel for qemu?
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[18:56] <DoWhileGeek> beers: Thanks, I got it working
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[19:01] <Flexnard> wtf "No site configured at this address" LOL that was ebay.. hmm
[19:02] <Kane> o/
[19:02] <Flexnard> its back up now though
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[19:10] <zopiac> I have my raspi set up hooked up to a monitor displaying my IRC, controlled via ssh from my work computer
[19:11] <zopiac> only problem is that it keeps idling out and blanking the screen :\ Not sure which setting would fix that
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[19:15] <scummos> zopiac: what desktop environment are you using
[19:16] <zopiac> Screen
[19:16] <zopiac> all terminal
[19:18] <scummos> so, X is not running
[19:18] <scummos> uuh, actually I don't know what's responsible for screen blanking then
[19:19] <scummos> go through the process list ;)
[19:20] <zopiac> I figured it might be screen itself but I added a noblanking line in .screenrc to no avail
[19:20] <scummos> maybe some acpi stuff?
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[19:22] <DeliriumTremens> i tried a bunch of stuff to get screen blanking to stop
[19:22] <DeliriumTremens> never did figure it out
[19:22] <zopiac> I've got the screen session on two computers, and only the one not getting direct input is blanking
[19:23] <zopiac> Makes sense, but I'm not sure if that would point towards the TTY or screen as being the culprit
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[19:23] <Primer> man stty
[19:24] <piney> not sure either. never had that problem with screen, and i have 2 VPS's and 2 pi's running headless with screen
[19:25] <zopiac> I have the raspi hooked up to a monitor without a keyboard plugged in, to monitor IRC from
[19:25] <zopiac> I control it from my desktop via ssh'ing and then screen
[19:26] <piney> ahh the local monitor is what hoes black
[19:26] <piney> goes*
[19:26] <zopiac> yup, but it never goes into sleep mode -- the activity light stays green instead of yellow
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[19:27] <Primer> blank does not imply sleep
[19:27] <Primer> like I said earlier, man stty
[19:27] <zopiac> I'm not sure if the raspberry-local screen session blanks out or what
[19:27] <zopiac> I skimmed the man page but saw nothing, looking through it again
[19:28] <Primer> I don't recall what the option is
[19:28] <zopiac> searched it for screen, blank, and idle
[19:30] <piney> zopiac, did you see this? http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/3713/stopping-raspberry-pi-display-sleep
[19:30] <Primer> ahh it was setterm, my bad
[19:31] <zopiac> setterm: cannot (un)set powersave mode: Invalid argument
[19:31] <Primer> You need to use the real tty
[19:32] <piney> you could add consoleblank=0 to cmdline.txt and reboot
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[19:32] <piney> from what that page says
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[19:32] <zopiac> all right executed it on tty1 and went back to screen, if that doesn't work I'll try changing cmdline.txt
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[19:45] <DoWhileGeek> ok, I just played with the gpio pins a bit, put the 5v and gnd to a 3v coil relay and now somethings wrong
[19:46] <DoWhileGeek> the activity light is flashing, but I cant ssh into it anymore and the hdmi isnt giving a signal
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[19:46] <DoWhileGeek> pls tell me I ddint kill it
[19:46] <kwixson> So LXDE is /really/ small on my 42" plasma and I'd like to use it from the couch. So how do I get LXDE to run at a lower resolution than the display is capable of?
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[19:47] <zopiac> Does xrandr show any lower resolutions?
[19:47] <jacekowski> DoWhileGeek: wait, what?
[19:48] <jacekowski> DoWhileGeek: where did you get your 5v?
[19:48] <kwixson> xrandr?
[19:48] <DoWhileGeek> from the 5v pin?
[19:48] <jacekowski> 5v pin where?
[19:48] <zopiac> kwixson: run the command in a terminal -- it's a tool for configuring X options
[19:48] <DoWhileGeek> top left?
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[19:48] <jacekowski> after the polyfuse?
[19:49] <zopiac> running xrandr on its own should display all available detected modes
[19:49] <kwixson> zopiac: Thanks. I'll try that.
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[19:49] <piney> DoWhileGeek, did you try disconnecting the relay and rebooting the pi?
[19:49] <IT_Sean> I think he's referring to the 5v pin on the GPIO port
[19:49] <jacekowski> DoWhileGeek: top left looking at it how?
[19:49] <kwixson> zopiac: command not found
[19:49] <zopiac> well
[19:49] <jacekowski> DoWhileGeek: http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/sony-rasp-pi.jpg
[19:50] <zopiac> kwixson: it can be installed from the xorg-xrandr package
[19:50] <jacekowski> DoWhileGeek: ahm, ok
[19:50] <DoWhileGeek> piney: I did, and the act light is flashing, but nothings going
[19:50] <kwixson> zopiac: Thanks
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[19:50] <DoWhileGeek> jacekowski: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/robot/images/254px-GPIOs.png
[19:50] <jacekowski> DoWhileGeek: it may be good idea to turn it of for a while
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[19:50] <jacekowski> make sure that polyfuse had time to cool down
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[19:52] <DoWhileGeek> jacekowski: soooo, I killed it?
[19:53] <piney> DoWhileGeek, im wondering if you drew too much power from the device and had the sd card go corrupt on you.
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[19:53] <richardUK> Hi, this is my first time on an IRC channel. :)
[19:53] <jacekowski> DoWhileGeek: are you sure that it was only 5v to gnd?
[19:53] <jacekowski> DoWhileGeek: nothing else?
[19:53] <piney> DoWhileGeek, http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting see if any of this helps you find out why it's not starting
[19:53] <jacekowski> DoWhileGeek: and, how long did you wait for it to cool down?
[19:54] <DoWhileGeek> jacekowski: I just used those two pins on a relay that wasnt hooked to anything else
[19:54] <jacekowski> well, turn it of for 5 minutes
[19:54] <jacekowski> and check again
[19:54] <DoWhileGeek> jacekowski: a minute or something
[19:54] <DoWhileGeek> ok
[19:54] <DoWhileGeek> piney: Thanks
[19:54] <kwixson> zopiac: the only thing that apt-get sees for xrandr is x11-xserver-utils
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[19:55] <Walther> Hello again! Just wondering if anyone else has had similar problems - an usb hdd powercycling every now and then even if it is connected to a powered usb hub
[19:56] <IT_Sean> does it still do it if the hub is not connected to the Pi?
[19:56] <richardUK> Sounds like the driver could be going to sleep?
[19:56] <zopiac> kwixson: that might be so, I'm using arch so the packages may be different
[19:57] <Walther> IT_Sean: No, the HUB works fine on other computers and so does the hdd
[19:58] <Walther> the hub is rated at 2A so a small 2.5" pocket HDD should be perfectly fine
[19:58] <piney> Walther, is the hub powering the pi too?
[19:58] <Walther> piney: with or without powering the pi from the hub, same issue
[19:58] <piney> there goes that thought
[19:58] <piney> :)
[19:58] <Walther> tested both powering from the hub and powering from a 2A tablet charger
[19:58] <richardUK> What is the time between the powercycle?
[19:59] <Walther> richardUK: varies. But I can't say, download a 720p copy of Big Buck Bunny from the official servers via wget
[19:59] <Walther> idk, 5-10 minutes and it snaps a powercycle, causing IO errors
[19:59] <richardUK> So it power cycles whilst files are being accessed?
[19:59] <Walther> yup
[20:00] <richardUK> Bang goes my theory.
[20:00] <Walther> and as I'm mainly considering making the pi a pocket-sized low-power NAS / backup server...
[20:00] <Walther> ...it's not looking too good :P
[20:00] <richardUK> Can you borrow another usb drive to test with?
[20:01] <IT_Sean> might be an issue with that particular hub
[20:01] <piney> anything related to the usb driver in the logs when it power cycles?
[20:01] <Walther> no, not really. And both the hub and the drive work perfectly on other computers
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[20:01] <kwixson> zopiac: so x11-xserver-utils includes xrandr. I run it and it's saying both the minimum and maximum are 1792x952
[20:01] <Walther> piney: nothing I've seen - just drive IO errors
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[20:02] <zopiac> kwixson: I was afraid of that... I'll see if I can find something in a bit. Have you looked at changing DPI for lxde?
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[20:03] <kwixson> zopiac: No. Someone mentioned that but I couldn't find any info about how to do that.
[20:04] <Walther> But yeah, has anyone been able to reliably use a separate drive with the Pi?
[20:04] <Walther> as in, a HDD of any sorts attached via something
[20:04] <zopiac> Well for now try googling around for it, "linux dpi" or something. I'd help but I'm tied up in a drafting project right now :)
[20:04] <neilr> Walther: Yes. I use an external WD drive, USB attached.
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[20:05] <neilr> Current uptime: 32 days
[20:05] <Walther> neilr: do you have it straight on the pi or in a hub? also, external power source or not?
[20:05] <neilr> It's straight into the pi, with an external power supply as well.
[20:05] <Walther> hmm.
[20:05] <Walther> My usb hdd doesn't have a separate power subbly possibility, hence the powered hub
[20:06] <IT_Sean> I have an external harddrive working with a Pi. Uses it's own power supply. Works perfectly.
[20:06] <kwixson> zopiac: no sweat. Thanks for the pointers
[20:06] <piney> Walther, do you think you can buy another cable to make it plug in to power seperately?
[20:06] <zopiac> no problem, and good luck! if you haven't gotten it figured out later I'll see if I can do something more
[20:07] <Mortvert> how i can test sound output on pi?
[20:07] <piney> i have seen usb hard drive cables, not sure if they are all a standard
[20:07] <Walther> piney: that's why i mentioned "no possibility"; it only has a single USB connector, no possibility even for a purchase-separately power
[20:07] <Amadiro> Mortvert, connect speakers or headphones and play the sample video
[20:07] <Mortvert> Amadiro - over ssh
[20:08] <Walther> Of course I could just buy a new usb hdd that has separate power, but... that would be spending way more money than I want for this project
[20:08] <Mortvert> no remote X set up yet.
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[20:08] <Walther> and especially so as the hub should definitely work
[20:08] <Amadiro> there is no need for X
[20:08] <Amadiro> you can type the command via ssh
[20:08] <Amadiro> Mortvert, "omxplayer -o hdmi" plays the sound through the HDMI port, without the -o it plays through the analog jack.
[20:08] <Mortvert> o_O what command?
[20:09] <piney> Walther, something like this won't work? http://www.bixmart.com/assets/images/laptopparts/CabUSB-YBlack.jpg
[20:09] <neilr> Walther: what are your power supplies rated at?
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[20:09] <Amadiro> Mortvert, the sample video is in /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_video
[20:09] <Mortvert> Works. \o/
[20:10] <Walther> neilr: both the pi supply and the hub supply are rated at 2A
[20:10] <Mortvert> Can i make the analog default somehow?
[20:10] <Mortvert> for everything
[20:10] <Amadiro> Mortvert, the analog should be the default by default.
[20:10] <Mortvert> I see. Thanks.
[20:10] <neilr> OK - that should be enough. Is there anything else in the hub or the other USB port on the pi?
[20:10] <Walther> nope
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[20:11] <Walther> i'm running the pi headless, with only ethernet and the hub in it
[20:11] <Amadiro> Mortvert, note of course that the audio quality of the jack is totally horrible, so you'd want to prefer the hdmi audio output or an external usb soundcard, normally.
[20:11] <piney> Walther, is it more than a 4 port hub?
[20:11] <Mortvert> It's only for my hi-fi
[20:11] <Walther> piney: Nope, 4ports exactly
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[20:11] <Mortvert> Amadiro - and the quality is bearable
[20:11] <Mortvert> trust me, i heard worse
[20:11] <piney> 7 and 8 port hubs are 2 hubs internally. so that doesn't apply
[20:11] <neilr> walther: same here - I just run the drive directly attached, that's the only difference - but like you say, you can't do that
[20:11] <Amadiro> well, it's good enough for playing ioquake, but I wouldn't want to listen to music with it.
[20:12] <Mortvert> and it's playing over Hi-fi
[20:12] <Mortvert> so i can't hear anything too bad.
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[20:12] <Walther> This is just so weird. And annoying; the external hdd not working with the pi is ruining the whole thing for me
[20:12] <Mortvert> Amadiro - if i can make out the words in music, it's totally fine.
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[20:13] <zopiac> Good news is, my screen isn't blanking out from idle any more!
[20:14] <Mortvert> zopiac - if it gone blank from idling
[20:14] <Mortvert> did all the diodes go dark too?
[20:14] <Mortvert> only leaving PWR diode on
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[20:15] <neilr> Walther: Is there a possibility to test another external drive with it's own power supply? As I mentioned, mine is boringly stable, so it *can* work.
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[20:17] <zopiac> it was just the screen
[20:17] <zopiac> all lights stayed on and all contact with the pi remained intact, and the screen was back on instantly if I pressed a key on the pi's keyboard
[20:17] <Walther> neilr: again, i don't have another usb hdd, not to even mention a one with its own PSU
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[20:18] <zopiac> I disconnected the keyboard half an hour ago and the pi's screen is still lit
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[20:18] <Mortvert> pretty sure it's some powersave thing
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[20:27] <BCMM> is it normal for xbmc to use about 50% cpu when idle, even when on the blank screensaver?
[20:27] <BCMM> (i'm using the repo for raspbian)
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[20:29] <Amadiro> BCMM, how are you measuring that
[20:29] <BCMM> Amadiro: top, over ssh
[20:30] <Amadiro> BCMM, I see. I don't remember the exact numbers when I tried it, but that seems fairly reasonable, seeing how xbmc is constantly pushing stuff through the OpenGL ES driver to the videocore and the CPU is fairly weak.
[20:31] <Amadiro> My own GLES applications tend to hang around 9% or so CPU usage just from rendering stuff at 60-or-so fps
[20:31] <Amadiro> but I really just use GLESv1
[20:31] <BCMM> by the way my pi is overclocked to "turbo", and i'm not sure how to check current freq scaling
[20:31] <Amadiro> vcgencmd measure_clock arm
[20:32] <BCMM> Amadiro: so does xbmc's dirty regions patch not work on the pi?
[20:32] <Amadiro> BCMM, I don't know is.
[20:32] <Amadiro> s/is/it/
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[20:33] <TopGear> There's something strange going on here. I can't make any folders no my Download harddrive. I am not allowed to do it, but SUDO isn't either. Wrong group, maybe?
[20:34] <zopiac> Is the drive mounted with rw permissions?
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[20:34] <pksato> TopGear: that file system on harddrive?
[20:34] <Amadiro> (the `mount` command will show you the flags)
[20:35] <TopGear> pksato: It's NTFS. I'll check Amadiro/zopiac
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[20:35] <pksato> permission on NTFS is on mount time. not per user/group.
[20:35] <BCMM> Amadiro: since Eden, I think, xbmc can avoid redrawing bits of the screen that haven't changed
[20:35] <TopGear> There you go: http://pastebin.com/SxEbJtHY (It is rw)
[20:35] <pksato> and, writing on NTFS is not safe.
[20:36] <Amadiro> BCMM, xbmc uses opengl, so the whole screen is re-drawn by the GPU anyway, there is nothing you can really do to change that
[20:36] <pksato> TopGear: raspbian?
[20:36] <Amadiro> BCMM, but maybe xbmc is drawing some things in software internally.
[20:36] <TopGear> Yes sir.
[20:36] <BCMM> Amadiro: uh...
[20:37] <pksato> its like a kernel ntfs module.
[20:37] <TopGear> pksato: I can cd in it easy, but I have no rights to do anything. Even the pcmanfm can't do anything. I'm working via SSH -X, FWIW.
[20:37] <Amadiro> pksato, I'm pretty sure writing to ntfs has been safe for a few years now?
[20:37] * jelly1 wonders if it's nice to run xbmc with a mysql db
[20:37] <pksato> kernel ntfs need explicity rw mode enabled.
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[20:38] <zopiac> chmod +x the directory it's mounted to TopGear
[20:38] <BCMM> most people use ntfs-3g instead
[20:38] <pksato> best to use ntfs is NTFS-3G
[20:38] <Amadiro> at least I remember the 3g driver to be very stable.
[20:38] <Amadiro> yeah.
[20:38] <zopiac> That's the problem I've had before
[20:38] <BCMM> despite the FUSE overhead
[20:38] <zopiac> also check the permissions of the files in the directory (ls -al or such)
[20:38] <pksato> use ntfsmount
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[20:40] <pksato> or problem I've had before
[20:40] <TopGear> zopiac: The +x did not help.
[20:40] <pksato> ops
[20:40] <pksato> or ntfs-3g
[20:40] <zopiac> bugger, I'm out of ideas then xD
[20:40] <TopGear> I guess I can't get any more rights, can I? http://pastebin.com/cDVMu9ZZ
[20:40] <TopGear> totaal=total
[20:41] <TopGear> Dutch translation.
[20:41] <markedathome> walther what is the drive? and the filesystem on the drive? I have a WD ElementsSE 500GB running 24x7, powered from a hub.
[20:43] <BCMM> Amadiro: basically, you don't have to have a constant fps in opengl
[20:43] <BCMM> so xbmc dirty regions can avoid rendering a frame if nothing has changed
[20:43] <TopGear> DERP
[20:43] <jelly1> TopGear: run mount and paste that
[20:43] <jelly1> `mount`
[20:43] <TopGear> It's bloo'y GPT
[20:43] <BCMM> it can also reduce the area of the screen that's being drawn
[20:43] <TopGear> Stupid Mac -_-
[20:44] <jelly1> also fuuu pastebin.com sucks
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[20:44] * zopiac likes pastebin ._.
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[20:44] * TopGear likes Pastebin as well...
[20:45] <TopGear> Anyway, I've got to convert the GPT to MBR in order for Raspbian to recognize it. Wonderful.
[20:45] * |Jeroen| is undecided about pastebin
[20:45] <jelly1> TopGear: are you sure :p
[20:45] <TopGear> Yes
[20:45] <|Jeroen|> gdisk can do it TopGear
[20:45] <Amadiro> BCMM, I'm sure that is something that must happen before the opengl part, then, during rendering of the menu textures/fonts etc
[20:45] <TopGear> The problem is, it contains also some backup stuff.
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[20:46] <TopGear> Yes, it's GUID/GPT and Raspbian can't eat it. That's way Mint wouldn't edit the partitions.
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[20:48] <Amadiro> BCMM, from the description of the patch, it looks indeed like the patch only applies to the uploading of textures -- the GPU will still render the whole frame and draw it to the screen.
[20:48] <Amadiro> but its great that they managed to optimize that.
[20:49] <Amadiro> BCMM, I'd try to just pull it from the git repo and compile it.
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[20:50] <BCMM> Amadiro: it is an insanely long build
[20:50] <Amadiro> well, yeah, it's C++... just let it run over night
[20:50] <jelly1> what patch are we talking about?
[20:51] <BCMM> Amadiro: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Dirty_Regions#Technical_notes
[20:51] <markedathome> TopGear: seems to suggest that there should be no problems with ntfs-3g -> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=15519
[20:51] <BCMM> Amadiro: and i found the option to visualise dirty regions while looking for that so i'll use that to find out what's going on
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[20:52] <Amadiro> BCMM, are you most concerned about power usage or about the GUI feeling snappy?
[20:53] <BCMM> Amadiro: power/resources
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[20:53] <BCMM> means i basically want to stop xbmc when it isn't in use
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[20:54] <BCMM> on an nvidia linux x86 htpc, i found dirty regions basically dropped idle cpu usage from 5-10% to negligible
[20:55] <Amadiro> BCMM, well, xbmc is generally very wasteful with resources, not sure if you'll manage to get it to behave to your liking
[20:56] <Amadiro> the rendering is one thing, but it also does a lot of other things very efficiently, spawns new threads with python interpreters in it left and right, etc etc
[20:56] <Amadiro> I just ended up writing a replacement
[20:56] <BCMM> for xbmc?
[20:56] <Amadiro> well, for the parts of xbmc I personally need.
[20:56] <|Jeroen|> yeah they should remove python from xbmc
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[20:57] <BCMM> i was going to say, it is ridiculously feature-rich
[20:57] <Amadiro> |Jeroen|, I doubt that is possible, all the plugins seem to be written in python
[20:57] <BCMM> the addon system is pretty good
[20:57] <|Jeroen|> i don't like python
[20:57] <BCMM> and python is not inherently low-performance
[20:57] <|Jeroen|> its slow and problematic
[20:57] <BCMM> it really isn't slow
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[20:58] <BCMM> it's kind-of compiled, and performs like C
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[20:58] <Amadiro> uh, no
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[20:58] <zopiac> it's all script, noncompiled
[20:58] <Amadiro> BCMM, it's fairly slow as far as scripting languages go, and optimizations such as pypy, psyco & co don't work on the ARM architecture
[20:58] <Amadiro> it is compiled to an intermediate bytecode representation
[20:58] <Amadiro> but that doesn't really mean a lot as such.
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[20:59] <zopiac> my biggest beef with python right now is it's kind of big :P I don't have a large card...
[20:59] <|Jeroen|> even php would be loads faster
[20:59] <BCMM> not a good choice of words, sorry
[20:59] <BCMM> i mean more comparable to c than to fully interpreted stuff
[21:00] <Amadiro> BCMM, that is definitely untrue.
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[21:00] <Amadiro> BCMM, its fairly slow even for the class "fully interpreted scripting languages"
[21:00] <Amadiro> but that is irrelevant here anyway
[21:00] <Amadiro> the problem is not the raw execution speed of the plugins
[21:00] <_ember> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qWmNaEBmCfc jaki debil <rotfl>
[21:00] <Amadiro> the problem is that xbmc keeps spawning new interpreter threads
[21:01] <Amadiro> which eats lots of memory and CPU
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[21:01] <jelly1> the problem with xbmc is it's design :P
[21:01] <jelly1> it needs a rewrite
[21:01] <Amadiro> once the new instance is intialized, python is plenty fast enough
[21:01] <_ember> sory, I choosed wrong window
[21:01] <jelly1> python isn't slow, your I/O is
[21:01] <jelly1> :p
[21:01] <|Jeroen|> yeah a new lite media center would be welcome
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[21:01] <Amadiro> after all, most plugins only do CPU-trivial things such as downloading videos or parsing a few kilobytes of HTML
[21:01] <|Jeroen|> competition is always good
[21:01] <jelly1> Amadiro: xbmc needs LXML to be awesome
[21:02] <jelly1> Amadiro: srsly the devs of xbmc should add it
[21:02] <jelly1> it pwns BS at speed
[21:02] <Amadiro> just don't use xml in the first place
[21:02] <Amadiro> if you can avoid it
[21:02] <jelly1> Amadiro: lxml parses html too :p
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[21:14] <Walther> btwm any news on the raspi ghci support?
[21:16] <jelly1> woot haskell
[21:16] <Amadiro> Walther, do you mean to get ghc to run on the rpi or a rpi-related functionality-library for haskells ffi?
[21:16] <Walther> Amadiro: *ghc* does install, but ghci (interactive shell) doesn't :P
[21:17] <Walther> at least last time i checked, ghci doesn't exist in the repos
[21:17] <Amadiro> Walther, I see. Seems it's still not there
[21:18] <Amadiro> if its a separate package, anyway
[21:18] <Amadiro> on my archlinux box it doesn't seem to be
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[21:33] <double-you> what can I use for accessing folders over websites? something like a http filebrowser
[21:34] <applegekko> most browsers can use ftp protocol
[21:34] <applegekko> so just do ftp://address.ran
[21:34] <Amadiro> there are softwares for getting folder browsing via http, yes
[21:35] <Amadiro> there are also extensions like webdav that aim to make it more convenient/flexible/secure
[21:35] <double-you> no, ftp is not that good. I want to access files from f.e. my android tablet
[21:35] <chithead> the protocol to access files over http is called webdav
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[21:35] <Amadiro> double-you, surely you'll be able to find an ftp client for your android tablet.
[21:35] <nemo> if you only need read-only, apache does indexing built-in
[21:36] <nemo> Amadiro: heck. there's scp clients too
[21:36] <chithead> ftp, sftp and webdav clients for android abound
[21:36] <Amadiro> I don't doubt it.
[21:36] <double-you> yes, read only. I think ftp clients aren't able to stream mp3s, mp4s directly...
[21:37] <rikkib> ftp://website.add:port to be totally correct
[21:37] <rikkib> :port if not on standard ftp port
[21:37] <Amadiro> double-you, do you mean the ftp client will not be able to play the file directly in-browser?
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[21:38] <Amadiro> (or conversely, "in-client")
[21:38] <double-you> I have no idea :-)
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[21:39] <rikkib> In Linux file extension mapping takes care of launching applications
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[21:40] <rikkib> IE If you click on a pdf file in a browser it will launch a pdf reader if set up correctly
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[21:41] <nemo> double-you: well. I don't know about mp3 and mp4, but I play my webm and ogg files in firefox on my android tablet no problem
[21:41] <hyppias> the console font is very small. How can I make it larger?
[21:41] <nemo> double-you: default media player can be launched too, although, not streaming in that case
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[21:42] <double-you> I know that mx player can do it
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[21:42] <double-you> I'll give it a try
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[21:42] <Amadiro> double-you, at any rate, setting up your webserver to generate a directory listing with links for files that don't have an index.html will probably be fine for your purposes
[21:43] <TopGear> What am I doing wrong...? http://pastebin.com/vXdC81EZ
[21:43] <nemo> Amadiro: heck. that was one of the very first apps on jailbroken iphone 1st generation a couple of weeks after release :)
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[21:43] <nemo> Amadiro: apache w/ indexing of media folder
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[21:43] <double-you> ok thanks
[21:43] <nemo> for simple local network sharing
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[21:54] <TopGear> Yes! Did it.
[21:55] <TopGear> Still needed ntfs-3g.
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[21:55] <brotoss> Does HFS run well with Linux? Sorry for the lame question in advance
[21:56] <brotoss> Don't have a way to format ext3/4 unless you can do it with a Pi
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[21:56] <Walther> brotoss: of course you can format ext3/4 with the pi
[21:56] <Walther> i can think of no reason why you couldn't, to say the least
[21:57] <brotoss> Ok i suspected that but wasn't sure if it required more processing power than the Pi has
[21:57] <TopGear> I converted GPT to MBR.
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[21:57] <TopGear> But how do I mount these automatically?
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[23:10] <nid0> quiet here tonight
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[23:37] <BlackFate> i usually get corrupted fs (with different "recommended" power adapters) and different sd cards. Setting root and boot partitions to read only would eliminate this problem?
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[23:42] <grantsmith> BlackFate, how do you shut down the pi ?
[23:42] <rikkib> RPi work just fine with NFS
[23:42] <rikkib> Boot on the sd card read only
[23:42] <BlackFate> grantsmith, always with sudo poweroff
[23:43] <BlackFate> for now i just set ro to my fstab file...
[23:43] <BlackFate> will see....
[23:44] <rikkib> This machine runs with NFS...
[23:45] <rikkib> Of course NFS requires a NFS server
[23:45] <BlackFate> what software you use for streaming?
[23:45] <rikkib> motion
[23:45] <rikkib> both rpi and the Linux gateway
[23:46] <rikkib> The gateway can consolidate more than one camera
[23:46] <BlackFate> i tried mjpg-stream but the stream would die after a while... i was getting an error in dmesg... usb driver related or something...
[23:46] <rikkib> run an old kernel
[23:46] <rikkib> 3.1.09
[23:46] <rikkib> New kernel does not work
[23:46] <BlackFate> is it a known issue with mjpeg?
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[23:47] <BlackFate> or usb driver in general?
[23:47] <rikkib> incompetent developers
[23:47] <rikkib> usb
[23:48] <rikkib> fragmented packets
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[23:48] <rikkib> bad error routines
[23:48] <BlackFate> rikkib, same happens to motion too?
[23:48] <rikkib> There is more than one issues
[23:48] <rikkib> yes
[23:48] <rikkib> It is a uvc/usb issue
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[23:49] <rikkib> I went so far in my debug efforts but...
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[23:49] <rikkib> After being tossed off the RPi forum I have no desire to help anymore.
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[23:50] <BlackFate> i tried to find an answer... but nobody mention the old kernel solution
[23:50] <rikkib> My fix is to use 3.1.09 kernel
[23:50] <BlackFate> mentioned*
[23:50] <BlackFate> :-O
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[23:52] <rikkib> My time cost $120 per hour... For me to offer my services free I have to get some respect and action when I offer solutions... ASB would not take that advice after i wrote software for him os they are their worse enemy
[23:52] <rikkib> so
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[23:53] <Duality> hi
[23:53] <Duality> i can't ping raspberrypi for some reason and don't know why
[23:53] <rikkib> But according to "the foundation" it is just an educational toy
[23:53] <grantsmith> rikkib, awww.. you changed the default password on that machine :(
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[23:55] <rikkib> The machine you are accessing is not a RPi... It is X86. The cam is RPi and that is inside the firewall.
[23:55] <necr0tik> happy 540th birthday copernicus
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[23:56] <grantsmith> oh ok lol
[23:57] <necr0tik> Anyone know how to fix the usb resetting after about 2-3 minutes of being on, two-three times before dieing completely? BS1238 pi.
[23:57] <grantsmith> rikkib, what cam do you use ?
[23:57] <rikkib> Cheap and nasty UVC cams
[23:57] <rikkib> Venus I think that one is
[23:57] <grantsmith> necr0tik, are you supplying enough power to the pi ?
[23:58] <rikkib> The ones with vid/aud via usb
[23:58] <rikkib> No 3.5mm audio jack
[23:58] <grantsmith> rikkib, seems to work really well
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[23:59] <grantsmith> is that a recycling depot ?
[23:59] <rikkib> Pretty much.... Main issue being router connectivity can cause issues
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