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IRC Log for 2013-02-20

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[0:00] <rikkib> That cam runs from NFS... 2GB sd card holds boot and is read only
[0:00] <rikkib> The rest comes from the gateway server
[0:00] <necr0tik> Yes im supply enough power. Measure tp1-2 and the poly.
[0:00] <rikkib> This means no writes to sad
[0:00] <rikkib> sd
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[0:02] <rikkib> You can't measure voltage with a DMM and pick up fast fluctuations on the power rail
[0:02] <necr0tik> Well I tried three different powersupplys, and the USB port off a server.
[0:02] <rikkib> I run 1.2A power supplies and dc-dc converters and have never had any power issues
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[0:06] <rikkib> KCS NLA120050W1S are the supplies I use
[0:07] <grantsmith> necr0tik, what devices are you running off the usb ?
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[0:07] <necr0tik> raspberrypi + lan port. and combinations with more or less use devices, including none.
[0:07] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/ My toys on my desk
[0:08] <necr0tik> never seen that supply.
[0:08] <necr0tik> But I doubt 4+ power adapters have the same issue.
[0:09] <rikkib> Are any of the supplies capable of 1.2A?
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[0:10] <necr0tik> it has two ports rated at 3a total. 2.1a max per port.
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[0:11] <necr0tik> I only use one port.
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[0:11] <rikkib> SD card?
[0:12] <poli> Is there a way to use the USB port as a USB client, or USB-on-the-go?
[0:12] <rikkib> Most of the SD cards I run are class 10 but the one on the NFS cam on the net is class 4
[0:12] <necr0tik> The sd card is...
[0:13] <necr0tik> a sandisk ultra 30mb/s 32gb class 10 sdhc
[0:13] <grantsmith> rikkib, any arduino stuff in there ?
[0:14] <rikkib> No... Only real SBC here :) STM32V and MC9S08
[0:15] <rikkib> I have lots of different toys as well... Olimex ARM stuff and TI DSP
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[0:16] <rikkib> Now days I use modules like the relays and DC-DC converters and make break out boards as required
[0:16] <grantsmith> do you interface the STM32V to the raspi ?
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[0:17] <rikkib> I have two proof of concept projects underway... One just cams the other a gate opener/vid/audio to 150 meters
[0:17] <grantsmith> i built a brewery temp controller with an atmega328 and interface with it through a wifi connected pi
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[0:18] <rikkib> I have done the base work of connecting the STM32V board to the RPi but very little s/w to date
[0:18] <rikkib> I have both serial and spi hooked to the STM32V but only done a little s/w for the serial
[0:19] <grantsmith> yeah i do everything through ttyUSB0
[0:19] <rikkib> Nothing is hooked up apart from Power to a RPi/STM32V atm
[0:20] <grantsmith> connected through a small ftdi
[0:20] <rikkib> Working on other stuff ATM and busy doing mentoring for a business so devel has sort of stopped
[0:20] <grantsmith> ah i see
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[0:21] <rikkib> STM32V is hooked direct to the serial port on the RPi
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[0:21] <rikkib> I do have a ftdi board for testing
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[0:22] <rikkib> PL2303 board in front of the cam now
[0:22] <reZo> Hi, when plugging in my USB keyboard, it acts like the keys are 'stuck down' and spams the key I push. Does anyone know a fix to this problem? Thanks.
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[0:23] <rikkib> Also playing with a PIR
[0:23] <grantsmith> i see it
[0:24] <rikkib> I am pointing at the RPi running the cam
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[0:25] <grantsmith> what is that relay board ?
[0:26] <rikkib> This is the new case I made this morning
[0:26] <gordonDrogon> I see a desk'o'stuff ...
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[0:26] <grantsmith> i have a very similat looking relay board
[0:26] <rikkib> Ywrobot 4 realy module
[0:26] <gordonDrogon> slowly...
[0:26] <rikkib> But there is a better board to use
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[0:27] <rikkib> The two relay boards require drivers
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[0:27] <rikkib> Hang on I will get the link to the proper one that does not require a break out driver
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[0:29] <rikkib> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5V-12V-or-24V-4-Channel-Relay-Module-Unit-30MM-cables/632669677.html
[0:30] <grantsmith> so when you start a new project, you just buy a whole new STM32V ?
[0:30] <rikkib> I buy new stuff when I run out of development resources
[0:31] <grantsmith> ah yes, that relay board is very similar to what i have
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[0:32] <rikkib> NPN low side switching... The others I have a PNP high side switching and opto which require and npn 2n2222 switch
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[0:33] <grantsmith> you ever use SSR for that ?
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[0:33] <sku11knight> hey guys, how would I get my raspberry pi to boot up to a linux console? trying to get FBI to work, but on boot up my pi goes straight into x11
[0:33] * linuxthefish` is now known as linuxthefish
[0:33] <rikkib> SSR? acronym eludes me
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[0:34] <grantsmith> solid state relays
[0:34] <rikkib> No...
[0:34] <grantsmith> sku11knight, it should boot to console by default
[0:34] <poli> sku11knight IIRC you can setup that in the initial boot of the raspbian
[0:34] <sku11knight> right, and it does, but it boots into an x11 console
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[0:34] <rikkib> I use mosfets for that sort of stuff
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[0:35] <rikkib> logic level fetsa
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[0:35] <rikkib> fets
[0:35] <grantsmith> sku11knight, i dont think so.. when you type "startx", THEN it goes to X11
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[0:36] <sku11knight> yup you're right actually
[0:36] <sku11knight> whenever i try to run fbi i get this error : ioctl VT_GETSTATE: Invalid argument (not a linux console?)
[0:36] <sku11knight> so I'm a wee bit confused
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[0:39] <hybr1d8> sku11knight: if using raspbian - try running raspi-config and changing the 'start X at boot' option
[0:39] <rikkib> Made the second cam go... http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
[0:39] <sku11knight> hybr1d8 anyway to do it through command line?
[0:40] <hybr1d8> that is a command-line app
[0:40] <sku11knight> hybr1d8 onboard, thanks buddy
[0:40] <sku11knight> apologies for the noobiness guys, I'm a pi/linux noobie = P
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[0:41] <hybr1d8> no probs :)
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[0:42] <grantsmith> if it helps you feel better, i have no clue what fbi is :p
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[0:42] <sku11knight> frame buffered image i think
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[0:51] <rikkib> Damn google 12:50:52.613131 IP crawl-66-249-77-100.googlebot.com.42443 > bencom.co.nz.tproxy:
[0:52] <hybr1d8> robots.txt ;)
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[0:52] <rikkib> 12:50:52.410592 IP ppp-2-84-xx-xx.home.otenet.gr.48430 > bencom.co.nz.tproxy:
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[0:53] <rikkib> robot txt no work with motion
[0:53] <rikkib> I block google scum from my ftp server
[0:53] <rikkib> On sight
[0:54] <rikkib> I allow the http search engine
[0:55] <rikkib> I run my own server at home so I have ultimate control...
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[0:56] <rikkib> spammers do not have show of spamming me plus I am a nasty anti with a reputation.
[0:57] <rikkib> http://krebsonsecurity.com/tag/peter-bennett/
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[0:58] <rikkib> Lunch
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[1:11] <BlackFate> rikkib, the second ip was me
[1:11] <BlackFate> my ipv
[1:11] <BlackFate> 4
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[1:14] <rikkib> Greece
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[1:14] <BlackFate> yeap
[1:15] <rikkib> tcpdump -i eth1
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[1:16] <rikkib> Second root console on my gateway... First runs mc
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[1:16] <BlackFate> too messy for me... i prefer iptables logging
[1:17] <BlackFate> or just plain application logs
[1:17] <rikkib> My gateway is this machine
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[1:17] <BlackFate> my gateway is a mikrotik :|
[1:18] <rikkib> I do most things from this machine and have other machines for various tasks... Linux, Win95 and Win XP
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[1:20] <rikkib> Spare Linuix machine for cross compiling and other stuff for the RPi, Win95 for old stuff such as MC9S08 devel & auto CAD and win XP for my Ham radio logging and radio control.
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[1:21] <rikkib> I run ipmasq
[1:21] <rikkib> Which does all the iptables stuff
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[1:22] <rikkib> port sentry to whack dummies and tripwire
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[1:25] <BlackFate> ah i use it too... i block port scan ips for 2-3 days
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[1:25] <BlackFate> with plenty fail2ban rules
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[1:27] <chillywilly_m> which pin can i use to trigger a tip31 transistor
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[1:40] <NineTeen67Comet> Whelp .. trying to get the d-link DWA-131 to work in both Wheezy and RaspBMC (haven't tried Arch yet) but it doesn't show up at all even with wicd installed. Not sure what module needs loaded but lsmod doesn't show it either. help?
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[1:42] <NineTeen67Comet> also lsusb doesn't show as much as usuall: Bus 001 Device 006: ID 2001:330d D-Link Corp.
[1:43] <NineTeen67Comet> This is the second d-link I have tried; Assumed the other was faulty and exchanged it. (tried the other one in Windows XP and Ubuntu)
[1:43] <dfrey> Hi, I'm looking into using the i2c bus of the Pi in a Python program. It looks like there are libraries from quick2wire and from adafruit. Is one of them considered better/easier/faster/more reliable/etc?
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[1:43] <BlackFate> NineTeen67Comet, it doesnt always show up in the lsusb list?
[1:44] <NineTeen67Comet> Okay .. my next question is that is listed in the "out of the box" list for working; my Belkin usb wifi took some work but it worked eventually (it's just HUGE and I wanted a smaller one) ..
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[1:48] <brotoss> when downloading a file unto the Pi via SFTP from a remote server, how do i specify that it should download to my external hard drive plugged into the pi?
[1:48] <brotoss> im downloading via sftp right now but i have a feeling its going to the sd card
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[1:50] <applegekko> use the drive
[1:50] <applegekko> not the sd card
[1:50] <dfrey> brotoss: Are you running the sftp client on the pi or on another computer?
[1:50] <jacekowski> dfrey: i2c is very simple to use even without any libraries
[1:50] <jacekowski> dfrey: it's like 3 ioctls in total
[1:51] <brotoss> dfrey:i ssh into the pi via terminal on my mac, then run sftp from there
[1:51] <brotoss> i can see it now it downloaded to the sd card
[1:51] <dfrey> brotoss: Then it sounds like you just need to "cd" into the directory that you want to download into before issuing the sftp commands
[1:52] <brotoss> dfrey: ohh that sounds about right, thanks I am very new with linux
[1:53] <dfrey> brotoss: also, you can issue "help" from the sftp client and it will tell you that there is a "lcd" command inside sftp which can be used to change the local directory.
[1:53] <dfrey> brotoss: also, Tempest OP
[1:53] <brotoss> dfrey: awesome, and yes ;)
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[1:54] <dfrey> jacekowski: To be honest, I have never worked with ioctls before.
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[2:04] <jacekowski> you will have to at some point
[2:04] <jacekowski> it's just like any other function
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[2:04] <jacekowski> except rather than names, it has numbers
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[2:19] <slingle> Anyone in here?
[2:19] <applegekko> no no leave
[2:19] <applegekko> now*
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> I'm not here.
[2:20] <slingle> ok bye bye ;)
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[2:21] <slingle> you two up for a discussion?
[2:21] <applegekko> on what
[2:21] <slingle> window manager for raspi
[2:21] <pksato> new on irc?
[2:23] <slingle> im wondering if it is worth it to replace the window manager on the pi for a lighter weight one if the sole role of my pi is to boot up and run a opengl application
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[2:23] <Shift_> does that application even need X?
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[2:24] <pksato> slingle: install ratpoison or other. or even, no window manager.
[2:25] <slingle> im not sure
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[2:26] <xiambax> Is there anyway you can access the rpi via usb cable?
[2:27] <hybr1d8> if the other end of the usb cable is a ftdi serial connection ;)
[2:27] <Shift_> the question is a bit too vague, but I am guessing no, not in the way you're talking about.
[2:27] <xiambax> Ah
[2:27] <Shift_> yeah, a usb to serial adapter works fine.
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[2:29] <tdy> even if it needs X, it doesn't sound like a WM is needed
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[2:29] <tdy> or rather, something other than twm
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[2:29] <Shift_> The way I understood the question was whether it's worth changing the WM, in which case I'd say probably not. Openbox is pretty damn light anyway.
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[2:30] <Shift_> 'course you can just roll your own .xinitrc, but I doubt you'll see a performance difference.
[2:30] <slingle> Shift_: that's what i was thinking
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[2:31] <slingle> I am basically curious if running without a WM is worth it...im looking for boot speed and devoting as much resources to my app as possible
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[2:32] <Shift_> try and see
[2:32] <BlackFate> Shift_, usb tethering?
[2:32] <tdy> it's not a major undertaking to test
[2:32] <slingle> ok thanks
[2:32] <tdy> just change the .xinitrc to "exec <something>"
[2:33] <tdy> but if you're using the default raspbian image and thus lxde (neither of which i use), i would personally not use lxde
[2:33] <tdy> seems like a bunch of unneeded things being started if you're not actually using it to do desktop stuff
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[2:34] <slingle> im showing my ignorance here...is there a base debian install for raspi
[2:34] <slingle> so i can install the packages i need..to cut the fluff or do i need to start with the desktop image and trim down
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[2:35] <tdy> i guess you mention debian because that's the distro/workflow you're used tO?
[2:35] <slingle> correct...but i can change if need be to slim down
[2:36] <tdy> b/c the official arch image would fit your description otherwise
[2:36] <slingle> ahh...i forgot about arch
[2:36] <slingle> thanks
[2:36] <Shift_> there are minimal raspbian images out there as well
[2:36] <Shift_> or you can bootstrap your own as well
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[2:36] <slingle> the later sounds above my head atm
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[2:37] <slingle> i was looking for a "net install" raspi image
[2:37] <Shift_> raspbian has an 'installer', but.... meh
[2:38] <Shift_> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[2:38] <Shift_> Don't know how much support you'll find if something goes wrong with that.
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[2:40] <slingle> ok well...i have enough to keep my busy on this project for a while...thanks guys... means a lot
[2:47] <StubbornTurtle> Just got my Pi in the mail. Woot!
[2:47] <pronto> \o/
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[3:17] <pronto> http://www.doctormonk.com/2013/02/raspberry-pi-and-breadboard-raspberry.html <<<< USEFUL! if you do anything with the GPIO
[3:21] <StubbornTurtle> pronto: saw that earlier and printed one. pretty cool
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[3:25] <StubbornTurtle> For back-powered a Pi, does it actually power back through the USB 2.0 port or do you need to connect a second cable from the USB hub to the micro USB power port?
[3:25] <StubbornTurtle> back-powering*
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[3:31] <brotoss> can someone direct me to a guide to go about formatting an external hard drive to EXT4 using the Pi (Have RaspBMC installed)
[3:33] <Scriven> brotoss, google should help with that, once the pi is running it's the same as every other linux computer really.
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[3:34] <brotoss> scriven gotcha, thanks, i am searching!
[3:34] <pycoderf> hi all. will overclocking to 1ghz without chnging voltage void warranty or kill the life on the pi?
[3:34] <Scriven> https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto
[3:34] <Scriven> brotoss, short form: # mkfs.ext4 /dev/DEV
[3:34] <Scriven> followed by: # mount -t ext4 /dev/DEV /wherever
[3:35] <Scriven> # means "perform this action as root user", so you could use sudo as well.
[3:35] <brotoss> awesome thanks yeah i was looking at that but couldnt grasp it
[3:35] <Scriven> mkfs is the usual 'format' program in linux. /dev/DEV is the place your external device shows up as when plugged in.
[3:36] <Scriven> please note, if you pick the wrong /dev you will probably format things you didn't want formatted, so be sure you have the correct device!
[3:36] <brotoss> will do!! thanks for the help
[3:37] <Scriven> yw, good luck! I recommend doing some basic 'how to use linux' reading too, it'll help you get around the command line 'stuff'. :)
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[3:38] <brotoss> Scriven: wonderful tip! having fun learning this stuff already
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[3:41] <Scriven> brotoss, glad to help!
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[3:46] <ikhanh4x> Can someone explain how to increase the lines of scrollback (scrollback buffer)? I can only page up (Shift+Page Up) 3 times.
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[3:46] <hybr1d8> in what exactly? (ie lxterm, xterm, console etc)
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[3:47] <ikhanh4x> console (I believe that's what it is, no startx, just console)
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[3:49] <hybr1d8> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Scrollback_buffer
[3:49] <ikhanh4x> hybr1d8: thank you
[3:49] <hybr1d8> third link down when I searched for "linux console scrollback buffer" :)
[3:50] <ikhanh4x> hybr1d8: I was leaving "console" out of my searches :) Now I know, thanks again
[3:50] <hybr1d8> no worries
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[4:04] <ikhanh4x> Are the keyboard layouts separately configured for console and startx? The "@"sign works fine in console, but not when using startx.
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[4:57] <xiambax> Has anyone made one of these pirate box's yet?
[4:59] <steve_rox> whats a one of them
[4:59] <necr0tik> Whats a pirate box?
[5:00] <necr0tik> Anyone know how to fix the usb resetting after about 2-3 minutes of being on, two-three times before dieing completely? BS1238 pi. Checked tp1-tp2 on 5+ power sources. Im using the stable one atm with highest amps ( 2.1a max port ). Poly is fine.
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[5:05] <xiambax> http://piratebox.aod-rpg.de/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=raspberry
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[5:06] <xiambax> http://daviddarts.com/
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[5:09] <chupacabra> what does it do?
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[6:45] <StubbornTurtle> Apple iPhone USB charger suitable for RPi B rev2? Says "5v 1A"
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[6:46] <des2> Yes
[6:46] <des2> Provided it's a genuine Apple charger not a counterfeit/clone
[6:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd say so, some people say not
[6:46] <ShiftPlusOne> but I hear they kick puppies... so...
[6:46] <StubbornTurtle> lol
[6:47] <nutcase> Why would my rasberry pi keep locking up when I am doing a library scan in xbmc?
[6:48] <StubbornTurtle> des2: I could alternatively back-power it with a powered usb hub. Is that reliable?
[6:48] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on the hub's supply
[6:49] <des2> Is it a genuine apple charger ?
[6:49] <StubbornTurtle> des2: yes
[6:49] <des2> It will be fine unless you are using a high power wireless usb adaper on the pi
[6:49] <StubbornTurtle> des2: nope. I'll give it a shot
[6:52] <StubbornTurtle> booting, so far so good
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[6:54] <StubbornTurtle> Should one "expand root partition to fill SD card"?
[6:55] <ShiftPlusOne> one should
[6:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Assuming said one has not done so already.
[6:56] <StubbornTurtle> k
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[7:04] <Scriven> ShiftPlusOne++ lol!
[7:04] <StubbornTurtle> Oh good, I see a traditional shell now. Feelin' right at home.
[7:05] <Scriven> and they don't kick puppies, but they do employ nearly-slave child labour, so, well, shop aware.
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[7:08] <StubbornTurtle> On this multimeter, the first V setting on the left is what I would use to measure the voltage on the PI (with the tp1/2 terminals) right?
[7:08] <StubbornTurtle> ( http://www.homedepot.com/buy/klein-tools-digital-multimeter-mm200.html#.USRoQ1pevlc )
[7:09] <StubbornTurtle> It looks like it auto detects AC/DC, right?
[7:10] <ShiftPlusOne> StubbornTurtle, yeah, but I wouldn't trust that multimeter at all
[7:10] <StubbornTurtle> says 4.8V
[7:10] <StubbornTurtle> ShiftPlusOne: why's that?
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[7:11] <ShiftPlusOne> give or take a volt =p
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[7:11] <StubbornTurtle> Is it really that bad?
[7:11] <Viper-7> i think hes just that paranoid
[7:11] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, I am exagerating
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[7:12] <StubbornTurtle> lol, fair enough
[7:12] <StubbornTurtle> I don't know what to believe since I'm new to all of this electronics business
[7:13] <piney> gotta be better than my multimeter. mine was $2.99 at harbor freight
[7:13] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
[7:13] <ShiftPlusOne> I have a cheap one myself, but I have a scope and a DC power supply to verify
[7:13] <Viper-7> eevblog multimeter reviews
[7:13] <Viper-7> kgo :P
[7:13] <SStrife> I put my Pi on a DC power supply with an ammeter built in
[7:13] <SStrife> it never goes over 750mA
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[7:14] <SStrife> no USB peripherals mind you
[7:14] <SStrife> that's the kicker with this thing
[7:14] <ShiftPlusOne> 'course it wouldn't
[7:14] <ShiftPlusOne> the model b uses about 350mA iirc
[7:14] <SStrife> i have gertboard attached, and a few bits and bobs attached to its atmega
[7:14] <StubbornTurtle> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/klein-tools-mm200-multimeter/
[7:15] <SStrife> running nfsroot
[7:15] <SStrife> i was surprised it uses that much
[7:15] <ShiftPlusOne> SStrife, how much did it use?
[7:15] <SStrife> 750mA is peak too
[7:15] <SStrife> while booting it shoots up somewhere near there
[7:16] <SStrife> normally, ah, 400ish?
[7:16] <StubbornTurtle> Viper-7: I recognized your name from over in #php (just made the connection; no electronics pun-intended)
[7:16] <SStrife> it fluctuates a lot with CPU usage
[7:16] <SStrife> so there's that, and once you throw on a USB keyboard, mouse, and wifi, it's no wonder it's crashing with 1A phone chargers.
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[7:17] <ShiftPlusOne> SStrife, don't forget the polyfuse. On my pi it's a 750mA one
[7:17] <SStrife> yea, that too
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[7:17] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know how quick that reacts, so maybe the peaks don't affect it though.
[7:18] <SStrife> it's just a device with resistance related to heat,
[7:18] <SStrife> so short bursts of over 750mA should theoretically be ok
[7:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I always used to say that the polyfuse is responsible for the pi resetting when a usb device is plugged in.
[7:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Turns out I am wrong on that one.
[7:19] <SStrife> the polyfuse wouldn't make it reboot, I don't think, you have to let it cool down for a while before it will work again
[7:19] <SStrife> reboots would be voltage sags
[7:20] <SStrife> because crappy power supplies aren't linear over their load range
[7:20] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I didn't think it through before saying that since the rev2 came out to every noob that would ask about it on here >.> (oops)
[7:20] <SStrife> hehe
[7:22] <piney> some cheap usb chargers don't have a capacitor on the output side too. i think their theory is a usb phone charger is for charging, and cheaping out on a capacitor can be fine if connected to a battery and save them quite a bit in the long run
[7:22] <SStrife> which is why the Apple ones are better... they aren't cheap.
[7:23] <SStrife> more expensive isn't always better, but when it comes to any kind of power supply...
[7:23] <piney> i won't own it just cause it's an apple product :)
[7:23] <SStrife> that's dumb.
[7:23] * piney finds the samsung equivalent
[7:23] <SStrife> i get not using them, but "I won't use this suitable things because it has some logo on it"
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[7:23] <piney> stubborn, i know. but i dislike apple
[7:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I've never bought an apple product, but people tend to leave their apple chargers around and never bother getting them back, so I have 2 just from people being lazy.
[7:24] <ShiftPlusOne> actually, no, that's a lie, I had an ipod.
[7:24] <SStrife> it's like people that won't use raspbian because they're Gentoo freaks, but complain because nothing works.
[7:24] <StubbornTurtle> piney: woah woah waoh
[7:24] <StubbornTurtle> :-P
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[7:24] <SStrife> Hurr durr, i won't touch it because apt-get
[7:24] <SStrife> man. just use it. it won't make your head fall off.
[7:24] <SStrife> you know?
[7:24] <SStrife> </rant>
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[7:30] <StubbornTurtle> Is C the primary language for using the GPIO on the Pi?
[7:31] <ShiftPlusOne> What do you mean by primary language?
[7:31] <StubbornTurtle> most commonly used or recommended?
[7:31] <piney> i would say the defacto would be python, but any language is acceptable basically
[7:31] <StubbornTurtle> The example on this page looks like it has some sort of C files attached (http://elinux.org/RPi_Tutorial_EGHS:LED_output)
[7:31] <ShiftPlusOne> I thinkt he official recommended language is python
[7:31] <ShiftPlusOne> I would stick to C though, but I like C.
[7:31] <StubbornTurtle> Oh good, python is great :)
[7:32] <ShiftPlusOne> check the ladyada pi tutorials then. IIRC they are python based
[7:32] <ShiftPlusOne> *adafruit
[7:32] <ShiftPlusOne> http://learn.adafruit.com/category/raspberry-pi
[7:32] <rikkib> Interpreted languages are way different to a real language (C)...
[7:33] <piney> C is too high level even. asm for life! (not really)
[7:34] <rikkib> asm requires a much deeper understanding of hardware
[7:34] <StubbornTurtle> ShiftPlusOne: Google figured out ladyada
[7:34] <piney> which really helps when it comes time to debugging
[7:34] <StubbornTurtle> even though I had no idea you meant adafruit (which I've actually heard of)
[7:34] <Scriven> Um, SStrife Some of us don't own apple products because of their child labour choices.... hardly dumb I think...
[7:34] <ShiftPlusOne> same thing/person
[7:34] <rikkib> Usually only the people who deal with abstraction write in asm
[7:35] <Scriven> the brand is their marker, so we avoid their marker because it marks them as uncaring crapheads.
[7:35] <StubbornTurtle> Do I need to look out for if tutorials are for rev 1 vs 2?
[7:35] <ShiftPlusOne> I appreciate your very forced effort to avoid profanity there =)
[7:36] <Scriven> thank you.
[7:36] <Scriven> it was hard.
[7:36] <Scriven> StubbornTurtle, well, that depends. Some of the GPIO stuff is slightly different, yes.
[7:36] <Scriven> but for software-only I don't see why you would need to differentiate.
[7:36] <ShiftPlusOne> you probably have a rev2, but you can use rev1 tutorials if you adjust for the differences
[7:36] <StubbornTurtle> Scriven: Got it. I'm look at GPIO stuff here (http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-4-gpio-setup/the-gpio-connector), but I found the raspberry pi leaf printout which describes the rev 2 pins
[7:36] <Scriven> StubbornTurtle, you can cat /proc/cpuinfo and look for the rev number in there to be sure.
[7:37] <Scriven> yeah, the leaf HAS 2 versions. Just printed one out today for my rev 1.
[7:37] <ShiftPlusOne> careful though, ithe 'revision' shown by cpuinfo is not the actual revision.
[7:37] <Scriven> the elinux site has the correct pin-outs available for both versions.
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[7:37] <Scriven> ShiftPlusOne, well, yes it is, it's just not numerically matching. :P
[7:38] <Scriven> the FIRST version via /proc/cpuinfo is "0...02" (unsure how many 0's
[7:38] <Scriven> )
[7:38] <ShiftPlusOne> damn... I've been out-pedant...ed?
[7:38] <Scriven> lol. Whoo!
[7:38] <Scriven> ShiftPlusOne, and I also wanted to note that I didn't swear in the child-friendly channel, while talking about certainly-not-child-friendly technology... ;)
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[7:39] <Scriven> but then again, children should learn where their tech comes from as much as us, as they'll be living with it longer than my old arse will be.
[7:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Also, I'd avoid elinux, I see it being wrong all the time and a lot of stupid edits lately. https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
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[7:39] <piney> with the revision number, last two digits are all your looking at. some of the others can change if overclocked / etc
[7:39] <Scriven> piney, only the 1st IIRC tho isn't it, changing to 1 for "violated warranty conditions"?
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[7:40] <Scriven> Ah, didn't know that about elinux actually ShiftPlusOne, thanks for the update. drogon's got the stuff now, eh? :)
[7:40] <piney> Scriven, not too sure. i know the first digit. and the last two are revision / where it's built (manufacturer plant)
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[7:41] <piney> brb
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[7:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Elinux is fine, it's just something to be careful about. Don't assume things are true because the wiki says so, but I guess that applies for all wikis.
[7:42] <Viper-7> Scriven: FYI, checking /proc/cpuinfo is a very bad way to check the board revision
[7:42] <Scriven> Wikipedia isn't canon??
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[7:42] <Viper-7> my cpuinfo suggests i have a very early revision 1 board
[7:43] <Viper-7> when i actually have a final rev2
[7:43] <Scriven> that seems to me to be a terrible, terrible thing.
[7:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Viper-7, dom can fix that up for you if it's a problem.
[7:43] <Viper-7> they had a changeover period
[7:43] * Scriven shakes his head in sad disbelief.
[7:43] <Viper-7> where you can have a model b, on a rev2 board, with only 256mb ram, and an old cpuid
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[7:44] <Scriven> So how the heck are we supposed to know what we have?
[7:44] <Viper-7> Mark I Eyeball
[7:44] <Scriven> isn't that the whole point of the cpuinfo check in the 1st place?
[7:44] <Viper-7> check for usb polyfuses
[7:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Scriven, it's very unlikely that that cpuinfo is wrong.
[7:44] <Scriven> ok, so is there a reliable picture I can use?
[7:44] <ShiftPlusOne> heh... though polyfuses are actually not any more accurate
[7:44] <Scriven> and now I'm getting 2 opposite things being said. :P
[7:45] <ShiftPlusOne> since there are rev1 boards without polyfuses
[7:45] <Scriven> so is it reliable or not? And if not, what is? And if it's polyfuses, is there a clear picture of what they look like?
[7:45] <Viper-7> (but places for them)
[7:45] <Viper-7> rev2 boards dont have them
[7:45] <Scriven> my cpuinfo says what I thought was true, Model B, Rev 1, 256.
[7:45] <Scriven> so I never bothered to look for the polyfuses....
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[7:46] <Scriven> I also figure I was in the wait queue(s) early enough that that makes sense, but I didn't know there was a half-and-half period too, cause I got my pis about a week b4 the 512 free upgrade was announced.
[7:47] <ShiftPlusOne> There's this board out there "Model B Revision 1.0 + ECN0001 (no fuses, D14 removed)"
[7:47] <ShiftPlusOne> no polyfuses, rev1. cpuinfo reports revision code as 3
[7:47] <Viper-7> my order to RS says a 512mb model
[7:47] <Viper-7> but i received a 256mb one
[7:47] <Viper-7> with a rev2 board, but an oldass cpu
[7:47] <Scriven> wow.
[7:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I just ordered another pi from RS >.> figured I should get a model A for the lapdock
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[7:48] <Viper-7> i wont order another thing from RS
[7:48] <Scriven> So, is there a good, verified picture of what the polyfuses are supposed to look like, so I can visually verify my pi's versions?
[7:48] <Viper-7> liars.
[7:48] <Viper-7> (not for the 512/256mb thing, rather delivery issues)
[7:48] <Scriven> IIRC I ordered mine from Allied, but would have to check again.
[7:49] <ShiftPlusOne> allied is rs in north america, isn't it?
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[7:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Scriven, search google images for raspberry pi polyfuses
[7:49] <ShiftPlusOne> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5i-L_MwIauA/T9013yPu8NI/AAAAAAAAAW4/KBeVpY5GiCs/s1600/1.jpg
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[7:50] <Scriven> That's the one I was just looking at, but again as I didn't realise this exact thing, google's not exactly verified knowledge, if you know what I mean.
[7:50] <Scriven> So is that an accurate picture?
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[7:50] <ShiftPlusOne> in what way?
[7:50] <Viper-7> http://elinux.org/RaspberryPi_Boards
[7:50] <Viper-7> that should give you an idea what a mess things really are
[7:51] <Scriven> That is a picture representing the polyfuses, and not some hack job/mistag/mistake?
[7:51] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, yeah, those are definitely polyfuses
[7:51] <ShiftPlusOne> the 14 means .14A, 140mA
[7:51] <StubbornTurtle> I guess this is a more linux type of question, but can I connect to my Pi with a hostname even if the IP changes?
[7:51] <StubbornTurtle> (SSH)
[7:51] <ShiftPlusOne> StubbornTurtle, depends on your router
[7:51] <Viper-7> rev1: http://elinux.org/File:RPi-Front-JPB.jpg
[7:51] <Viper-7> rev2: http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/sony-rasp-pi.jpg
[7:52] <Viper-7> look next to the usb jack
[7:52] <StubbornTurtle> ShiftPlusOne: Probably some cable company provided one
[7:52] <ShiftPlusOne> try and see, raspbian and arch both set a hostname by default and they both work with my router
[7:52] <StubbornTurtle> I'm just talking local network though (not port forwarding)
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[7:53] <Ben64> where can i get some 3d demos i can run from the command line to show the awesome graphics
[7:53] <StubbornTurtle> ShiftPlusOne: ssh pi@raspberrypi ?
[7:54] <ShiftPlusOne> in my case, since I use arch, it's alarmpi, but yeah, it's probably raspberrypi on raspbian.
[7:54] <StubbornTurtle> yeah, I checked with 'hostname'
[7:54] <StubbornTurtle> but can't connect that way apparently
[7:55] <ShiftPlusOne> again, depends on your router, you may have to specify a domain like raspberrypi.home or raspberrypi.local or whatever your router is set to or uses.
[7:56] <Scriven> hrm, ok now I'm really confused.
[7:56] <Scriven> cause my pis are rev 00...002, but appear to have polyfuses?
[7:56] <ShiftPlusOne> there's always avahi, but I don't know anything about that
[7:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Scriven, what does cpuinfo say?
[7:56] <Scriven> 0000002 or whatever.
[7:57] <ShiftPlusOne> then it's a rev1
[7:57] <ShiftPlusOne> it's clearly a rev1
[7:57] <Scriven> Revision : 0002
[7:57] <ShiftPlusOne> nothing to be confused about
[7:57] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/09/checking-your-raspberry-pi-board-version/
[7:57] <Scriven> didn't think rev 1 had polyfuses?
[7:57] <ShiftPlusOne> they had polyfuses which were later removed
[7:57] <Scriven> AH, ok.
[7:58] <Scriven> had that backwards!
[7:58] <ShiftPlusOne> they turned out to be evil
[8:00] <StubbornTurtle> http://www.digiart-av.com/articles_img/full/761.jpg <-- Apple or Apple ANSI/ISO/JIS?
[8:00] <Scriven> The Google of polyfuses?
[8:00] <StubbornTurtle> (keyboard configuration)
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[8:02] <Scriven> Dvorak
[8:02] <StubbornTurtle> lol
[8:02] <StubbornTurtle> I tried to learn Dvorak once
[8:02] <StubbornTurtle> too hard constantly switching though
[8:02] <ShiftPlusOne> I stuck stickers on my old keyboard and everything
[8:03] <Scriven> my dvorak-fu is rusty, cause yeah I had hardware problems and had to keep switching. I can still type it.
[8:03] <hyperair> dvorak's good if you haven't achieved a high enough speed with qwerty.
[8:03] <Scriven> ShiftPlusOne, I have Model M's, I just switched the keys around. ;)
[8:03] <Scriven> hyperair, lol! 100+ wpm in both IIRC.
[8:03] <ShiftPlusOne> tried it twice and went back to qwerty
[8:03] <hyperair> i switched the keys around on my zen powerlogic q200
[8:03] <Scriven> didn't need to switch for speed, wanted to get faster than the fast I already was.
[8:03] <hyperair> Scriven: eh really? that's nice.
[8:03] <Scriven> switched the keys on the zen, nice!
[8:03] <StubbornTurtle> 100+ in qwerty, good enough
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[8:04] <hyperair> Scriven: my qwerty speed is ~140wpm max
[8:04] <Scriven> haven't been tested in ages, so I may be rusty now, and typing on crappy laptops with missing keys doesn't help the speed either. i could dig out a model M and put it into a usb adapter if I really wanted to machine-gun it again.
[8:04] <Scriven> certainly fast, 140wpm is FTW
[8:05] <hyperair> yeah
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[8:05] <StubbornTurtle> So, I really want to make an LED light up (life goal)
[8:05] <StubbornTurtle> but I don't think I have what I need to connect to my GPIO
[8:05] <Scriven> StubbornTurtle, went to a hackspace to learn that, is pretty cool!
[8:06] <Scriven> ribbon cable, resistor, led.
[8:06] <StubbornTurtle> I don't have a ribbon
[8:06] <StubbornTurtle> (in the mail)
[8:06] <Scriven> can do it without, but it's tricky and more dangerous.
[8:06] <StubbornTurtle> (with a fancy T cobbler type of dealio)
[8:06] <Scriven> Well, not entirely dangerous, depending on how you do it.
[8:06] <StubbornTurtle> I have jumpers but my male-female jumpers are ALSO in the mail
[8:06] <StubbornTurtle> #fail
[8:06] <Scriven> ok, nevermind that option then...
[8:06] <Scriven> can hand-twist the wires around the pins...
[8:06] <StubbornTurtle> lol
[8:06] <Scriven> it'll work, but.... ;)
[8:06] <StubbornTurtle> yeaaaaaaaahhhh
[8:07] <StubbornTurtle> I told myself I would try not to break my pi on the first night :-P
[8:07] <Scriven> it appears what you need most then is patience and a fast postie! ;)
[8:07] <hyperair> actually there's this little tool that you can use to twist wires around pins
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[8:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm, just dick a speed typing test without rushing myself with text I haven't seen before. The results are that I suck =/
[8:07] <ShiftPlusOne> *did
[8:07] * hyperair used it for some course in university
[8:07] <Scriven> hyperair, really? Cool, got a url?
[8:07] <ShiftPlusOne> wow... typo
[8:07] <Scriven> ShiftPlusOne, lol, great typo!
[8:07] <ShiftPlusOne> wth brain
[8:08] <Scriven> child-friendly channel, makes awesome typo ftw. ;)
[8:08] <StubbornTurtle> the problem with typing tests is you can't correct things after with "correct-spelling*"
[8:08] <StubbornTurtle> :-P
[8:08] <hyperair> Scriven: hmm, i can't remember the exact term for it..
[8:08] <StubbornTurtle> My wife took a typing class recently, and I took a quiz for her, so her results were like 30 WPM, 30 WPM 120 WPM
[8:08] <StubbornTurtle> her teacher got a kick out of it
[8:08] <plugwash> presumablly a wirewrap tool
[8:09] <StubbornTurtle> (online)
[8:09] <plugwash> of course you will need the wirewrap wire to go with it
[8:09] <hyperair> Scriven: aah wire wrap
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[8:09] <hyperair> Scriven: something like http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/WSU-30/K104-ND/5985
[8:10] <StubbornTurtle> I've got some Dip Shunt "Shorting Jumpers" I could use
[8:10] <StubbornTurtle> one half of the jumper on the GPIO pin and the other half connected to the jumper cable?
[8:10] <hyperair> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Crossbar-banjo1-hy.jpg
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[8:12] <StubbornTurtle> hyperair: Is that what I'm supposed to attempt? or is that a different congo? lol
[8:12] <StubbornTurtle> convo*
[8:12] <hyperair> StubbornTurtle: nah that was addressed at Scriven
[8:12] <hyperair> regarding wire wrapping
[8:13] <Scriven> Ah, very cool!
[8:13] <Scriven> crossbar banjo looks cool too. lol1
[8:13] <Scriven> will have to remember that wire-wrap tool next time I need to hyper-ghetto electrical connections.
[8:13] <hyperair> heh the crossbar banjo thing is what the wirewrapped stuff looks like after you're done
[8:13] <hyperair> like plugwash mentioned, you need the wire-wrap wire as well
[8:14] <hyperair> it's a very flexible wire that can be twisted around easily
[8:14] <rikkib> Wirewrap tool in my hand now
[8:14] <hyperair> and the connection is pretty nice and secure.
[8:14] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
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[8:15] <ShiftPlusOne> What's the deal with wire wrapping anyway? Why is (was?) it used?
[8:16] <Scriven> cheaper than soldering, requires no power?
[8:16] <Scriven> those are my first 2 guesses. ;)
[8:16] <StubbornTurtle> Does wiring to the GPIO pins need to be done while the Pi is off?
[8:16] <Scriven> rikkib, cool camera, nice bench!
[8:16] <hyperair> Scriven: i'm not sure it's cheaper than soldering, but it definitely doesnt't need any power.
[8:16] <rikkib> My toys
[8:16] <ShiftPlusOne> StubbornTurtle, as long as you don't do anything stupid, no.
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[8:17] <Scriven> StubbornTurtle, as ShiftPlusOne said, be vewy vewy careful /elmerfudd
[8:17] <Scriven> cause short the wrong pin and you'll let out the magic smoke.
[8:18] <Scriven> rikkib, What's with all the LCDs? Got a favourite? I'm shopping for a nice touchscreen. ;)
[8:18] <rikkib> Hmmm magic smoke
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[8:18] <rikkib> STM32V
[8:18] <rikkib> $35USD
[8:19] <rikkib> I have three that I play with
[8:19] <rikkib> and 6 RPi
[8:19] <rikkib> 2 rev1 & 4 rev2
[8:20] <Scriven> nice! I thought my 3 rev1's were overkill! lol
[8:20] <piney> ^ sounds like a raspberry kitchen
[8:20] <rikkib> One rpi here http://122.61.65.146:8081
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[8:21] <rikkib> 2 RPi on the bench running cams
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[8:22] <rikkib> I must do more work on the RPi/STM32V marriage
[8:23] <rikkib> I need to write it all up so I don't have to look stuff that I have already done
[8:24] <rikkib> Things like setting up the serial so it does not load the STM32V up with crud via the serial port interface
[8:25] <Scriven> holy crap rikkib, you hiring? lol! I used to work at a computer recycler up here, and it looks like that camera at 8081!
[8:26] <StubbornTurtle> I was going to use this jumper guy here to connect to the pins. Looks like it will work out??? ya? (http://cl.ly/image/0u2O2o2e0W43)
[8:26] <rikkib> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait
[8:27] <Viper-7> StubbornTurtle: just find an IDE cable
[8:27] <rikkib> computerrecycle.co.nz
[8:27] <Viper-7> much easier
[8:27] <StubbornTurtle> IDE cable, is it like a hard drive cable?
[8:27] <rikkib> And yes he is hiring
[8:27] <Viper-7> yep
[8:27] <rikkib> Looking for a tech to make laptops go
[8:27] <Scriven> aren't IDE cables twisted in certain places, or is that only floppy? Couldn't remember that, so didn't use one!
[8:27] * StubbornTurtle is going to search the garage for an IDE cable
[8:27] <Scriven> rikkib, I think the commute from Vancouver to NZ would be a killer tho.
[8:27] <Viper-7> floppy ones are (and its obvious), ide isnt
[8:28] <rikkib> haha
[8:28] <Scriven> yeah, the floppy twist is obvious, thought there was something more subtle about IDE.
[8:28] <rikkib> Beware IDE cables
[8:28] <Scriven> what about 80-pin would they work?
[8:28] <rikkib> test before using...Some have pins shorted
[8:28] * ShiftPlusOne has used an IDE and a floppy cable just fine.
[8:28] <rikkib> I think
[8:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Just test the pins first to make sure you're connecting what you think you're connecting
[8:29] <Scriven> StubbornTurtle, I see no reason why that wouldn't work, but I'm new to this gpio/direct hardware stuff too.
[8:29] <Viper-7> 80 conductor cable should be fine
[8:29] <Viper-7> http://www.unixwiz.net/images/ide-cable-select-easy.gif
[8:29] <Viper-7> is the only thing to watch out for
[8:29] <Viper-7> at least that ive encountered
[8:29] <rikkib> I use cable from PC... The ones to the front panel
[8:30] <rikkib> I have access to lost of that sort of stuff
[8:30] <rikkib> lots
[8:30] <rikkib> from the recycle co
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[8:30] <rikkib> I consult for that company... Business mentoring
[8:31] <Viper-7> 80 conductor cables may bundle the ground pins
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[8:32] <Scriven> rikkib, same here re: access. It falls from the sky almost. too bad I can't make money from it anymore.
[8:32] <rikkib> Put new idc connectors on them
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[8:33] <rikkib> Scriven, I have to hold myself back when I look around the recyclers... He has way more than just PC junk... Telecoms/audio/radio all sorts.
[8:35] <piney> it's amazing what some people call scrap
[8:35] <rikkib> Sometimes I get down on some of the nice stuff... Now have four different guitar amps to play with
[8:36] <ShiftPlusOne> rikkib, do they get vintage electronics and consoles as well or is it mostly businesses getting rid of their "old windows xp computers"?
[8:37] <rikkib> Yep... Amiga, comador, C64
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[8:37] <rikkib> all sorts stashed away... Part of my job is to sort through it over the comeing months
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[8:38] <rikkib> There is a big warehouse behind the cam you see
[8:38] <Scriven> rikkib, I happily almost completely my Apple 2 collection when I was working @FreeGeek. Only apple stuff I like anymore, before Jobs took over and made them evil and stupid.
[8:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Do they let random people pick stuff up for free or buy it?
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[8:39] <Scriven> at least during the apple 2 phase, Woz still had influence.
[8:39] <rikkib> 7 staff... 2 doing refurbish 5 doing break down
[8:39] <rikkib> boss and his wife also
[8:39] <rikkib> and me two days a week
[8:40] <ShiftPlusOne> I wouldn't mind finding a local recycling center and trying to get some vintage computers, but I am not sure how it works =/
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[8:41] <rikkib> They let people drop stuff off up and others pay them to collect and dispose stuff
[8:41] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[8:42] <rikkib> I think we will be putting some of the vintage stuff on ebay
[8:42] <ShiftPlusOne> C64's go for silly amounts on ebay over here.
[8:42] <rikkib> I am working on setting up a special bench to test stuff
[8:43] <rikkib> I can do component level repair
[8:43] <Viper-7> ShiftPlusOne: you mean 6581 SID chips go for silly amounts on ebay, and come with a free C64 :P
[8:43] <rikkib> computer, audio and RF
[8:43] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[8:44] <ShiftPlusOne> People use them for chip music or something?
[8:44] <rikkib> I still have old books for that sort of stuff... CRT controllers and other things
[8:45] <Viper-7> all kinds of audio effects - everything from guitar pedals, to mixers, to synthesisers yep
[8:45] <ShiftPlusOne> oh, didn't know that
[8:45] <rikkib> I started in the space invader industry before PC's came along
[8:45] <Viper-7> due to the manufacturing process, the chip has many analog features that cannot be emulated, or even reproduced on modern production lines
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[8:45] <rikkib> z80
[8:45] <ShiftPlusOne> I've only messed around with the c64 briefly, but didn't hear anything special =/
[8:47] <rikkib> C64 was one of the first business machines I used... Used to get GDP and other data and enter into the C64 for the trade unions
[8:48] <rikkib> Duel 5 3/4 floppies
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[8:48] <Viper-7> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_SID#Features
[8:48] <StubbornTurtle> found a 40 pin ribbon cable
[8:48] <StubbornTurtle> will that work?
[8:49] <Viper-7> StubbornTurtle: yep. just either use the master connector, or stick to the pin 1 side
[8:49] <ShiftPlusOne> double check that there are no shorts and the pins are where you think they are.
[8:49] <Viper-7> cable = |-----------|----|, use the first |------------|, not the extra ----| bit, which has a missing conductor around pin 36-38 for cable select
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[8:50] <Viper-7> for 40 conductor cables, they`ll be very simple crimp fittings
[8:50] <Viper-7> direct 1 to 1 wire relation
[8:50] <StubbornTurtle> I see no missing pins...
[8:51] <Viper-7> it`ll likely be a missing conductor in the crimp fitting on the end of the cable, or might not be there at all (if the cable is ancient enough to not support CS)
[8:51] <Scriven> StubbornTurtle, some cables actually had a little bit cut out, I think that's what Viper-7 is referring to.
[8:51] <Viper-7> yup
[8:51] <Viper-7> either a chunk missing from the cable between the master and slave connectors, or a missing pin on the slave connector
[8:51] <Scriven> also, some had a pin filled in on some of the heads.
[8:52] <Scriven> for use as a key.
[8:52] <Scriven> IIRC.
[8:53] <StubbornTurtle> http://cl.ly/image/3J423I3s0n2T
[8:53] <StubbornTurtle> (cable I'm working with
[8:53] * rikkib hits 53 tomorrow. And I have to go to work tomorrow. Damn.
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[8:56] <gordonDrogon> Hurrah! and Boo! at the same time :)
[8:56] <StubbornTurtle> How can I test which pins are which?
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[8:57] <gordonDrogon> StubbornTurtle, I hace to say that if you can't work that one out then maybe you ought to put the cable down and do someting else.
[8:57] <StubbornTurtle> gordonDrogon: aw
[8:57] <gordonDrogon> it's jot hard.
[8:58] <gordonDrogon> not.
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[8:58] <gordonDrogon> The red wire is pin 1.
[8:58] <StubbornTurtle> Got that
[8:58] <gordonDrogon> and the one next to it... that's pin 2.
[8:58] <StubbornTurtle> So, I guess my question, to clarify, is will the GPIO pins be outputting voltages and such already
[8:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Connect to mains and do the lick test. Alternatively use your multimeter. If it has a continuity test use that, otherwise just measure the resistance. Then there's also the common sense approach, but I don't trust it.
[8:58] <gordonDrogon> and so on - right up to pin 26.
[8:58] <StubbornTurtle> or do I need to run a program to make a pin "hot"
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> yes. you need to run a program to change the input/outputmode of a pin.
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[8:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Viper-7, I think I am starting to see the appeal of that chip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8jtf14VUGg
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> Beep. Out of breakfast error. Back later.
[9:01] <Viper-7> ShiftPlusOne: hehe ;)
[9:01] <Viper-7> ShiftPlusOne: voice synthesis, PCM playback, effects MIDI could only dream of, etc
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[9:02] <Viper-7> most of it wasnt intended in the chip design, but had been figured out (ab)using chip features and bugs :P
[9:03] <Scriven> gordonDrogon's here for breakfast, and I'm 1/3 of the way around the world just heading to bed. ;)
[9:04] <ShiftPlusOne> voice synthesis with a few oscillators? O_o
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[9:04] <Viper-7> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx2FDZIvg_0
[9:05] <Viper-7> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm4ZCGgzeeU better
[9:05] <Viper-7> not bad for 1982 :P
[9:06] <ShiftPlusOne> hm O_o
[9:07] <ShiftPlusOne> interesting, thanks
[9:07] <Tachyon`> pah
[9:07] <Tachyon`> I know that chip
[9:08] <Tachyon`> SP0256-AL2 without a doubt
[9:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Sure you would... I see you chilling over at #c-64 on efnet >=/
[9:08] <rikkib> I have a Korg AX30G guitar effects unit... It does some amazing things with DSP.
[9:09] <Tachyon`> lol
[9:09] <Tachyon`> and #amiga among others
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[9:10] <Tachyon`> that chip was used in the Currah ??speech on the spectrum
[9:11] <Tachyon`> fairly popular interface if you could get past it speaking every damn keypress when you were working on things
[9:13] * ShiftPlusOne is not sure what Tachyon` is talking about anymore >.>
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[9:13] <ShiftPlusOne> When was SP0256-AL2 in a c64? O_o
[9:13] <Viper-7> neither
[9:13] <Viper-7> considering that was done in software, with a SID 6581
[9:14] <Tachyon`> was it?
[9:14] <ShiftPlusOne> could be a peripheral, I suppose, but that's not what the description says
[9:14] <Tachyon`> well, perhaps not
[9:14] <Tachyon`> btu that sounds like the SP0256-AL2, there was a software speech program for the C64 from Superior Software but it sounded nothig like that good
[9:14] * Xark remembers SAM (but on Atari). :)
[9:14] <Viper-7> it sounds identical to how SAM sounded on my C64, when i tried it back in like 86 heh
[9:15] <Viper-7> SAM on atari/amiga was far worse than c64
[9:15] <Viper-7> thanks to the 6581 on the c64
[9:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Would be interesting to see how it's done exactly.
[9:16] <ShiftPlusOne> (What oscillators are used, what waveforms and the theory behind it)
[9:16] <Tachyon`> well break out the 6502 disassemblers and SID datasheets and have a look -.o
[9:16] <ShiftPlusOne> never
[9:16] <Tachyon`> aw -.o
[9:16] <ShiftPlusOne> I do need to dive into some 6502 again soon, but I am putting it off.
[9:17] * cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccy_RegeaneWolf
[9:17] <Tachyon`> yes, so do I actually, still working on the improved SDFS ROM for the BBC
[9:18] <StubbornTurtle> Can you use any of the GND pins interchangeably from the GPIO?
[9:18] <ShiftPlusOne> StubbornTurtle, indubitably
[9:18] <Tachyon`> ground is ground -.o
[9:19] * rikkib is going to bed soon... Night all.
[9:19] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[9:19] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[9:19] <Xark> rikkib: Night
[9:20] <StubbornTurtle> Tachyon`: thanks
[9:20] <StubbornTurtle> Sorry all for the noob questions :/
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[9:21] <StubbornTurtle> I found a couple of LEDs lying around. Do I need to know the specs of the LEDs to know what resistor to use?
[9:22] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, but nuh, not really.
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[9:23] <Tachyon`> somethign around 420R? I dunno, lol
[9:23] <Tachyon`> it's not that critical as long as there's something of a vaguely correct value there
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[9:24] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd be more paranoid about drawing too much from the pin.
[9:24] <StubbornTurtle> So I should use multiple resistors?
[9:24] <StubbornTurtle> I've got some 270 ohm resistors handy it appears
[9:25] <StubbornTurtle> and red and green LEDs with what appear to be large diffusers
[9:25] <ShiftPlusOne> StubbornTurtle, find yourself a tutorial and stick to it
[9:26] <StubbornTurtle> following this one (http://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-e-mail-notifier-using-leds/wire-leds)
[9:27] <ShiftPlusOne> but yes, you'll need a resistor for each led, though there are different way to hook it up, but stick to the basics.
[9:28] <Tachyon`> (or a resistor per few LEDs if you want to go with a common ground or something, although there are limitations with that approach... plus resistors are cheap)
[9:28] <StubbornTurtle> It recommends between 330 ohm and 1000 ohm for each, so I could use 2 270ohms in series to effectively do the same, correct?
[9:29] <Tachyon`> yes
[9:29] <Tachyon`> but tbh 270 will probably do
[9:29] <Tachyon`> there is some margin for error
[9:29] <plugwash> 270 ohm will result in about 5ma through the LEDs which is well within the safe range for most LEDs
[9:29] <plugwash> (assuming a LED forward votlage of 2V and a voltage at the IO pin of 3.3V)
[9:30] * Tachyon` growls
[9:30] <Tachyon`> yes, you too can plan your project for 5v, then receive the gertboard and realise both the pi and that are all bloody 3.3
[9:31] <plugwash> mmm, the buffer design on the gertboard leaves a lot ot be desired IMO
[9:32] <Tachyon`> hrm?
[9:32] <plugwash> primeraly using buffers from the same chip for input and output
[9:32] <Tachyon`> tbh I'll likely use the AVR for most of it
[9:33] <plugwash> which means you can't supply those buffers from different voltages
[9:33] <plugwash> honestly if you have a modicum of electronics experiance I wouldn't bother with the gertboard at all
[9:33] <Tachyon`> only a modicum, I'm mostly a programmer, got into a bit of electronics in recent years but I'm by no means an expert, heh
[9:34] <plugwash> quick tip, if you want to go from 3.3V to 5V use 74HCT, if you want to go from 5V to 3.3V use 74LVC
[9:34] <Tachyon`> I tried to do the electronics course on MITx last year but was defeated half way through by the maths
[9:34] <Tachyon`> ahh
[9:35] <StubbornTurtle> here we go: breadboard: http://cl.ly/image/2i0w1L2W3n0s
[9:35] <StubbornTurtle> Pi: http://cl.ly/image/3T3k2e3A1c0k
[9:35] <Tachyon`> so I could just put the output through a couple of inverters on a 74HCT and get a 5v
[9:35] <Tachyon`> how fast
[9:35] <Tachyon`> say doing serial data would it break down if the data transfer exceeded a particular speed? I have no idea of the limits of those chips
[9:35] <Tachyon`> 5 to 3.3 is easy enough, two resistors, lol
[9:36] <Tachyon`> but the 3.3 to 5 was looking like a problem
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[9:37] <StubbornTurtle> worked on the first run. second run says "channel already in use"
[9:38] <Tachyon`> hrm, no google labs either
[9:38] <StubbornTurtle> terminated the program with a keyboard interrupt; is there something else I should do to turn back off the pin or something?
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[9:39] <Tachyon`> ah well, was only 30 quid
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[9:40] <plugwash> how fast you can go depends a bit on what assumptions your circuit makes about timing but HCT is probablly ok to 20MHz or so in such applications
[9:40] <plugwash> If you need faster there is 74VHCT.............
[9:40] <Tachyon`> oh wow
[9:40] <Tachyon`> 20MHz is way more than I'd ever need, was just wondering, lol
[9:41] <Tachyon`> was thikning more 115k2, lol
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[9:42] <Tachyon`> in case I wanted to use them for level convesion between 3.3v and 5v serial (my BBC interface drops the user port output down to 3.3 for SD use but just sends the 3.3 back assuming it's as good as a 1 o the user port (which it is, but it's not ideal))
[9:43] <Tachyon`> some cards work and some don't which suggests I might have bent things a bit far
[9:43] <plugwash> Note that using resistors for level shifting is less than ideal
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[9:44] <Tachyon`> it's how I was taught to do it at college from what little I remember
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[9:44] <Tachyon`> potential dividers etc., lol
[9:44] <Tachyon`> what's wrong with doing it that way
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[9:45] <plugwash> The problem is that the output of your voltage divider has a much higher source resistance than a normal logic gate
[9:45] <Tachyon`> although given someone at teh same college tried to claim the best way to slow down a program in a multitasking OS was with delay loops
[9:46] <plugwash> combine that with parasitic capacitances and that means longer transition times which limits the maximum speed you can run at reliablly
[9:46] <Tachyon`> hrm, I'd not even considered that, as I say, quite new to this -.0, excuse my ignorance
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[9:47] <Tachyon`> perhpas I should have persevered with the MITx course, it needed calculus though and I was never taught it -.-
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[9:48] <StubbornTurtle> Success! Go team. High fives all around.
[9:49] * StubbornTurtle awkwardly high fives everyone
[9:49] <ShiftPlusOne> got some blinkelights going?
[9:49] <StubbornTurtle> Turns red when I don't have email, and green when I do
[9:49] <ShiftPlusOne> The future is now
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[9:49] <StubbornTurtle> Only took 3 hours
[9:49] <StubbornTurtle> Talk about productivity
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[9:49] <StubbornTurtle> !
[9:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, but next time you need to work with an LED it will only take 2 hours.
[9:50] <StubbornTurtle> True story.
[9:50] <StubbornTurtle> Seriously though, thank you all for the help!
[9:50] <des2> I thought email was replaced by texting ?
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> well that was breakfast!
[9:51] <SwK> StubbornTurtle: lookin good
[9:51] * ShiftPlusOne is starting to suspect gordonDrogon finds excuses to leave when gpio talk comes up so that people don't bug him. -.-
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[9:51] <SwK> lol
[9:51] <StubbornTurtle> lol
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> :)
[9:51] <SwK> ShiftPlusOne: you should see what he does when people start talking i2c :P
[9:51] * gordonDrogon mutters.
[9:51] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[9:52] <StubbornTurtle> have a good night/day/whatever all!
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[9:53] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night, enjoy your blinkenlights
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[9:53] <des2> Quick someone send Turtle some email...
[9:54] <SwK> lol
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[10:01] <plugwash> I2C level shifting is fun........
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[10:02] <gordonDrogon> a lot o the time you can get away without doing the level shifting.
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> since the bus is an open-collector pull down bus... as long as no device drives it high (which some new high-speed devices do), then it's generally OK.
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[10:24] <SwK> plugwash: they have some simple i2c level shifters out there
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[10:33] <SwK> gordonDrogon: you even mess with the MCP23017s?
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> SwK, yes.
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[10:36] <gordonDrogon> SwK, the I2C and SPI variants.
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[10:36] <SwK> you know of a C lib for that leveraging the rest of wiringpi?
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[10:36] <gordonDrogon> Yes. The wiringPiI2C library.
[10:37] <SwK> k I didnt know if you had any wrappers in there for that specific chip
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> sample code for the 23017 here: http://unicorn.drogon.net/q2w.c
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> not chip specific - yet.
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> however I have plans to extend wiringPi with generic gpio devices.
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> so you'd write the driver for the device, then at run-time bind it into wiringPi, then you use the existing digitalWrite, etc. functions with the new pin numbers for that device.
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[10:38] <gordonDrogon> I've got drivers for the 23017, 23s17 and 595 shift registers waiting to go.
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> I just need time to clean up the interface and do more testing with it.
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[10:39] <SwK> I'll test the 23017 for you, and help with any mods for the 23008
[10:40] <SwK> (i have uses for both)
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> it does have a marginal speed impact on wiringPi, but I have to say, people wanting the absolute top-speed out of it are probably using the wrong platform.
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[10:41] <SwK> http://switchpi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/IMG_0040.png
[10:41] <SwK> I'm using python for PoC and hardware prototyping
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> ok
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> PoC ?
[10:42] <SwK> but I want to integrate it with other code thats written in C??? and speeds not a big deal???
[10:42] <SwK> Proof of Concept...
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> Ah. ok.
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[10:42] <gordonDrogon> it's a few weeks away for me though - got some other stuff to do first.
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[10:43] <SwK> that pic is a pair of 23017s, but I dont need the full 16 i/os on the 2nd on and the 23008 saves a little money on chip cost and PCB real estate
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> but look at that link above for current I2C code in wiringPi to access a 23017.
[10:43] * gordonDrogon nods.
[10:43] <SwK> I'm about to compile it lol
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> you could still u ethe Pi's own GPIO for one of those devices.
[10:43] <des2> Wear eye protection
[10:43] <SwK> I'm assuming compile it like the rest of the wiringpi demo's
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[10:44] <gordonDrogon> gcc -o q2w q2w.c -lwiringPi
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> but you need the latest wiringPi compiled with the I2C module.
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[10:45] <gordonDrogon> I did that for the quick 2 wire board, but I also have a little board hanf the size of the Pi with 2 23017's on-board hooked up to a 8x8 2 colour LED display thing.
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[10:46] <jelly1> awesome.. i can't reach my pi after i started mjpg-streamer..
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> grow longer arms .. :)
[10:46] <SwK> you've seen the adafruit 16x2 LCD w/ RGB backlight and 5 button plate i'm going to assum
[10:46] <SwK> (although I shouldnt really assume lol)
[10:46] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: via ethernet ofcourse ;)
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> SwK, think I have.
[10:46] <SwK> but I'm just mod'ing that to include that 4x3 matrix keypad
[10:46] <jelly1> damn
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> SwK, I think I was talking to someone about using it with wiringPi. I didn't see any real issues with it - it just has one 23017 on-board.
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> IIRC.
[10:47] <SwK> yeah
[10:47] <SwK> it should work...
[10:47] <SwK> it might have been me you were talking about lol
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> it's all a blur :)
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> offline for a while. back later.
[10:48] <SwK> well I can tell you this, q2w is toggling the outputs on bus 1 0x20 heh
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> oh excellent :)
[10:52] <SwK> this I think will do nicely, thanks gordon!
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[12:29] <Walther> Hmm.. What would be the smartest and cheapest way of building a home server / nas with the things I currently have: pi, powered hub, usb hdd, some regular hdds, cabling
[12:29] <Walther> the thing is, the Pi manages to cause powercycles to the hdd even if the usb hdd is connected to the powered hub
[12:30] <Walther> i'm suspecting the pi manages to fluctuate the hub's power somehow with its half-broken usb stack
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> or maybe the hubs PSU isn't as good as you think it is.
[12:35] <Walther> gordonDrogon: rated at 2A it should be able to power a single slim 2.5" usb hdd
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[12:39] <hellsing> the hdd is connected to the pi or the hub?
[12:40] <hellsing> i mean in the 2 cases it doenst work?
[12:40] <nid0> imo the smartest and cheapest way to do it would be to plug in your pi to use it as something else, and buy a decent nas such as a small synology box or if you want something a bit more diy, a microserver + freenas
[12:40] <Walther> hellsing: yep, it doesn't work reliably either way
[12:40] <Walther> as in, a powercycle every 5min or so
[12:41] <hellsing> can you monitore the voltage?
[12:41] <Walther> nid0: i've also considered building a server on my own... But that's going to be in the hundreds of euros range, whereas if I could reliably strap this usb hdd + pi together I'd have a no-additional-costs one
[12:42] <Walther> hellsing: nope, I don't have a multimeter available, the one i had went all wonky so i threw it away
[12:42] <Walther> (can't expect much from a ~10eur one)
[12:42] <nid0> the question really is how good you want this nas to be - even if you overcome your power cycling problem, the pi generally makes a pretty awful nas
[12:43] <nid0> whereas you can buy proper nas's for less than 200 euros
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[12:43] <Walther> of course this would only be a project / testing one
[12:43] <hellsing> have you tryed with a power supply for the pi and another for the hub?
[12:44] <Walther> to see if I actually have use for a one :P
[12:44] <markedathome> Walther: not terribly difficult the problem tends to be ensuring reliabile mounting of the drive in the same place, or if using logical volumes etc across multiple disks ensuring they have the same ids.
[12:44] <Walther> hellsing: of course
[12:44] <hellsing> and?
[12:45] <Walther> But yeah, before even going to multiple disk setups or anything, i point out again that I currently can't reliably have even a single usb hdd plugged in
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[12:45] <Walther> hellsing: well, if it worked, I wouldn't be asking questions here :P
[12:45] <hellsing> so it an idle status to set i think
[12:46] <Walther> I've tried the following setups: usb hdd straight to pi, pi and hdd powered by a powered hub, pi powered separately and usb hdd powered by hub
[12:46] <hellsing> and each time the hdd go to sleep?
[12:46] <markedathome> Walther: what is the drive? and does lsusb -v give any indications as to what it thinks is the requirement for power?
[12:46] <Walther> in all three cases, there's a sudden powercycle
[12:47] <Walther> hellsing: Not really *sleep*, there's a split-second on-off on the hub and/or hdd, while writing
[12:47] <markedathome> any messages in kern.log, syslog, messages or dmesg?
[12:47] <markedathome> or is it just usb reset errors
[12:47] <Walther> No useful messages in logs, except for IO errors caused by the suddenly disconnected drive
[12:47] <Walther> markedathome: the drive is a previous-generation (usb2.0 only) lacie rikiki 2.5" slim 320gb
[12:48] <markedathome> does the drive remount in the same place ie, /dev/sdb -> /dev/sdb, or go /dev/sdb -> /dev/sdc
[12:48] <Walther> on a powercycle, it doesn't remount
[12:48] <Walther> i have to manually remount an/or reboot the pi
[12:49] <Walther> and*
[12:49] <Walther> and it only really happens while writing, not on idle
[12:49] <markedathome> the drive doesn't reappear? so a lsusb -t would show that it has dropped off the hub's port
[12:49] <Walther> or well, at least i have observed it only while writing
[12:50] <Walther> markedathome: not sure if it reappears in the usb devices, haven't really checked to be honest (at work now)
[12:50] <Walther> i might be suspecting that the pi's usb port manages to somehow fluctuate the power in the hub, even if the hub is powered externally
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[12:52] <hellsing> no problem with another hdd?
[12:52] <markedathome> and it's a 2A into a 4 port (or 500mA provision per port from the power supply?), anything else plugged into the hub?
[12:53] <markedathome> walther: I had a similar setup in that a WD elements SE 2.5 plugged in would reboot the pi, and fail, on a powered hub it works fine.
[12:53] <markedathome> i have a pi 512mb chinese, whatever rev. that is.
[12:53] <Walther> i've got the original, model b rev1 256mb one without mounting holes
[12:53] <markedathome> made in china, not a red one.
[12:54] <Walther> and yeah, the hdd powercycles even if the hub has nothing else connected to it
[12:54] <Walther> but *only* if it is hosted on the pi
[12:55] <Walther> on other computers (my desktop, laptop) the hub and hdd work fine
[12:55] <Walther> and can take a sustained write operation
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[12:58] <markedathome> can you interrogate the drive with hdparm and or smartctl (from smartmontools) you may need to search to find the right command to specify the usb bridge.
[12:59] <markedathome> for my drive i have to specify a type 'sat' IIRC.
[12:59] <Walther> hmm, why would that be relevant?
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[13:03] <Walther> But yeah, getting this to work would be great - having a fist-sized home server/nas that consumes about as much energy as an energy saving light bulb, <3
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[13:40] <gordonDrogon> size & power vs. reliability... I'm sticking to my Atom based servers for now.
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> (and firewall/router)
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[13:45] <ngc0202> Heya
[13:46] <steve_rox> havein fun?
[13:46] <ngc0202> I was wondering if the rpi supports HDMI in
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[13:46] <mjr> no
[13:46] <LxKermit> get my rPi today
[13:46] <LxKermit> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[13:46] <ngc0202> :(
[13:47] <ngc0202> it doesn't?
[13:47] <steve_rox> why would it?
[13:47] <LxKermit> not for 10 hours yet probably because im just about last on UPS route, but still funs
[13:47] <ngc0202> Why wouldn't it...
[13:47] <steve_rox> :-)
[13:47] <jelly1> ngc0202: why would it
[13:47] <mjr> hdmi input isn't really a common use case to spend circuitry (and money) on
[13:47] <ngc0202> I was relying on that for a project I was working on
[13:47] <mjr> especially for an el cheapo device
[13:47] <LxKermit> anyone worried about shorts with not having a case for rPi or do most of you just get at it without one?
[13:48] <steve_rox> i have a case
[13:48] <mjr> not really worried
[13:48] <steve_rox> it offers no impact protection
[13:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> dont put it on a metal desk and you'll be fine
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[13:48] <LxKermit> all my desks are homemade wood ones
[13:48] <LxKermit> so im save on that part with the except of a couple screws i can cover wtih duct tape
[13:48] <LxKermit> safe*
[13:49] <LxKermit> exception*
[13:49] <LxKermit> yes, i did just wake up, lol
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[13:49] <steve_rox> and im about to pass out
[13:49] <LxKermit> nice
[13:49] <LxKermit> steve_rox - that's my usual schedule
[13:49] <steve_rox> my sleep time is upside down
[13:50] <LxKermit> but ive been seeing a lot of doctors and friends the last two days, so im on like a normal 8-5 work schedule like as if i had a tie and suit type thing
[13:50] <steve_rox> sounds fun
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[13:51] <LxKermit> it's a break from the monotomy i guess, even though i'd rather just stay in my own agoraphobic world at the heart of it
[13:52] <LxKermit> anyone have any documentation for suggestions on working on a building a basic robot with a few servos and such for someone new in that arena?
[13:52] <steve_rox> ive still yet to find a interesting purpose for my rpi
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[13:54] <LxKermit> steve_rox, ahhh
[13:55] <steve_rox> was able to make it read my digital cam the other day tho
[13:55] <LxKermit> at worse i figure i can just run it as a server or xmbc, though i own a 'real' htpc already tbh, so idk if im interested in doing that for real
[13:55] <steve_rox> like get thumbnails/download images etc
[13:56] <steve_rox> i have a mumble server on mine at moment
[13:56] <LxKermit> noice
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[13:57] <steve_rox> if i ever figure out how to make the rpi fire a relay i can probly hook it into my cams trigger
[13:57] <LxKermit> i might buy one of the arduino soons if i cant find any useful projects to follow in robots for the rPi
[13:57] <LxKermit> yah, i would think and idk the leg work for this but itd be cool if you used the rPi as a center for an automated security cam system
[13:58] <steve_rox> was thinking more the time delayed shot thing
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[13:58] <steve_rox> so you can make a progressive image/vid over time
[13:58] <LxKermit> yah, that could be cool, like set it outside?
[13:59] <steve_rox> nah i wouldent wana leave my best cam outdoors
[13:59] <LxKermit> ahh okay, idk much about cams, that's my gfs area of expertise
[13:59] <steve_rox> alough reciently i hotwired a radio trigger relay into wired shutter on it
[13:59] <steve_rox> i placed it next to where birds land
[13:59] <steve_rox> got some amazing shots
[14:00] <LxKermit> isnt it possible you could
[14:00] <steve_rox> one cheeky bird did land on my cam
[14:00] <LxKermit> add a sensor to the rPi and have your camera automagically take photos at any point that a certain object moves?
[14:01] <LxKermit> or am i thinking way above it's capabilities?
[14:01] <steve_rox> hmm
[14:01] <steve_rox> i did think of that idea allready
[14:01] <steve_rox> using a alarm pir motion detector
[14:02] <steve_rox> in theory should work
[14:02] <LxKermit> like even design code to pick out certain dimensions or colours that the object might be, which might require a lot of math though and a sensor more expensive than possible
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[14:03] <steve_rox> i dont really know how to program on the pi as such , thats whats holding me back
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, what languages have you programmed in?
[14:04] <steve_rox> heh basic mostly
[14:04] <steve_rox> then vb6 came along
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> basic is good.
[14:04] <steve_rox> then ms destroyed it
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> you can run basic on the pi.
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/return-to-basic/
[14:05] <neilr> Ah-ha! I can mention RISC OS again :)
[14:05] <LxKermit> whats good for c/c++?
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[14:05] * gordonDrogon groans.
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> LxKermit, C and C++ is good for C and C++
[14:06] <LxKermit> lol, aww, no special projects page for them? :D
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> LxKermit, ie. the GNU C and C++ compilers are already installed as standard with Raspbian.
[14:06] <Draylor> emacs
[14:06] <LxKermit> true
[14:06] <jelly1> LxKermit: clang
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[14:06] <steve_rox> typically when i learn something they make it obsolete or broken
[14:06] <neilr> And steve_rox: BBC BASIC comes as standard with RISC OS
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> which is obsolete and broken ;-)
[14:07] <LxKermit> LOL
[14:07] <steve_rox> yeah i rember screwing around with it on the bbc micro
[14:07] <steve_rox> fun times
[14:07] <neilr> The languages is still good. The operating system is, well, a bit of an aquired taste to be honest
[14:07] <jelly1> basic is silly
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[14:07] <LxKermit> ^
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> I had a Beeb and an Arc way back.
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> BASIC is fine for what it is - and moderns BASICS are very capable.
[14:08] <LxKermit> i dont mine basic, i 'learned' to program on it, but i hate VB .NET with a passion
[14:08] <LxKermit> s/mine/mind
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> the issue for me is that I was also using Unix at the same time as I had the Arc, so when Linux was avalable there really was no competition.
[14:08] <steve_rox> everyone seems to use python on the pi so i figure i should be using it to learn from examples better etc
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[14:09] <jelly1> python ftw
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[14:09] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/snake.rtb <-- Demo program written in BASIC.
[14:10] <steve_rox> damn im so sleepy
[14:10] <hnsr> more coffee!
[14:10] <tristanStrange> hey all. I'm having issues setting the resolution correctly on my rpi... I'm using an HD TV, have set hdmi_mode to 5 and tweaked overscan so stuff fits nicely but I'm getting a rez of 1808x1016
[14:11] <tristanStrange> this is not the optimal res for the screen..... fonts are blurry as hell and I've seen a friends laptop plugged in via a VGA cable with much better res
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> you may need to explicityl set the resolution in /boot/config.txt ..
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> I need to do that for my 720p TV
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[14:12] <tristanStrange> ah ok i'll have a go. trouble is i don't know what the optimal resolution is....
[14:13] <tristanStrange> don't even know if i'm 1080 or 720
[14:13] <tristanStrange> and tvservice won't start - (i'm on arch linux - get a libvchiq_arm.so cannot be found type issue)
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[14:14] <tristanStrange> whats optimal rez for 720p and 1080p generally?
[14:14] <LxKermit> 1366x768
[14:14] <jacekowski> 1080opp
[14:14] <jacekowski> 1080p*
[14:14] <LxKermit> 1920x1080
[14:14] <jacekowski> it is a resolution
[14:14] <jacekowski> as in, it's vertical components
[14:14] <tristanStrange> thanks guys I'll give those a try
[14:14] <jacekowski> yyyx1080 progressive
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[14:15] <steve_rox> why industry has to mesure in P these days i dont know , it confuses the issue
[14:15] <jacekowski> tristanStrange: you want to set it to default 1080p and disable all overscanning
[14:15] <jacekowski> tristanStrange: what TV are you using?
[14:16] <jacekowski> but it it sounds like overscan (which is sadly enabled by default on most of screens)
[14:17] <tristanStrange> it's a "MATSUI" that afreind kindly donated. I've got no manual so don't know the exact spec. think its 42 inch
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[14:18] <tristanStrange> so just disable overscan?
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[14:18] <tristanStrange> ^would be best thing to try first ?
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[14:20] <LxKermit> kwixson - you mind if i query you and ask a question?
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[14:24] <steve_rox> could rez be changed without reboot?
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[14:28] <steve_rox> passing out
[14:28] <LxKermit> l8r g8r
[14:28] <steve_rox> errr okay
[14:29] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, yeah, you can change the resolution using tvservice or whatever it's called iirc
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[14:45] <steve_rox> sleeping is hard
[14:46] <doomy> staying awake is hard too
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[14:46] <steve_rox> no win situation
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[14:47] <doomy> I'm going crazy with opengl es... I came from opengl 1.4 world and everithing changed in a... strange way
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[14:48] <doomy> everything*
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[15:09] <IT_Sean> ahoy
[15:09] <Armand> Yaarrr!
[15:09] <IT_Sean> o_O
[15:10] <Armand> There be no plunder today. :(
[15:10] <IT_Sean> yar?
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[15:10] <subv> hey all... Totally love my new toy... but im having problems with xbian... runs smoothly everything is configured... however... when i try to mount my windows share through xbmc... i get an immediate timout... when i try to mount cifs via CLI... i get this error "
[15:10] <subv> mount error(12): Cannot allocate memory"
[15:10] <Armand> "ahoy" ??
[15:10] <Armand> Seemed an appropriate response to me. :P
[15:12] <Grievar> So this is cool
[15:12] <subv> if anyone knows what i should do id be most greatful
[15:12] <Grievar> texas instruments makes an ARM chip that basically has a pair of microcontroller cores embedded in it
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[15:15] <subv> is there any gurus here?
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[15:18] <FR^2> subv: Well, if it tells you it can't allocate memory necessary for that task, how about giving some information on your model (512MByte? 256MByte?) and the current mem config (gpu mem? swap? currently free mem?), information on your exact linux distribution and such could be helpful as well - otherwise no one will be able to help you
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[15:23] <subv> its Model b...(ethernet two usb ports and 512 of mem) I installed xbian using the windows installer..
[15:23] <subv> I'm currently trying to figure out what my memory split is what should be optimal.. i also clocked it at 800hz
[15:23] <subv> mhz
[15:24] <Jck_true> subv: The prepackaged XBMC distroes sets the memory spliut for you so you don't have to mess with it
[15:25] <subv> i want the gpu to have 100MB as i have read its a good stable split... leaving me 412 for the system.. this should be enought to access my massive network shares right?
[15:26] <subv> let me try mounting the shares to a more exact location... perhaps its too much data before i get into my media files.
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[15:26] <subv> nah makes no difference
[15:26] <Jck_true> Ehh I joined halfway into this conversation - Good luck with it
[15:27] <IT_Sean> Jck_true: you only missed this:
[15:27] <subv> convo really just started.
[15:27] <IT_Sean> <subv> hey all... Totally love my new toy... but im having problems with xbian... runs smoothly everything is configured... however... when i try to mount my windows share through xbmc... i get an immediate timout... when i try to mount cifs via CLI... i get this error "
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[15:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd blame windows and move on.
[15:29] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[15:29] <IT_Sean> I would do the same
[15:29] <Jck_true> subv: My best advice first is to maintain the stock xbian install (they set the memory split for you unless you have a really good reason i don't think you should change it)
[15:29] <IT_Sean> That's why i don't allow Windows machines onto my netowkr.
[15:29] <subv> ugh.... do i need to format my server and install slack or something :\
[15:30] <subv> just an old server i use... maybe freenas
[15:30] <IT_Sean> Are you sharing your media content to more than one device? or is it just going to the raspi?
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[15:32] <subv> well.. I have a workstation with 2TB drive on it running windows 7(sickbeard,sabnzbd,couchpotato).. this machine shared out my media to a laptop i have connected to the tv.. I been watching my media there. before the laptop i used to use boxee and before that tversity with my 360... so the shares are primarily accessed by whatever i have connected to my tv at the moment.
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[15:33] <IT_Sean> Okay, so, it's just the one TV then. In that case, why not mount the media locally (i.e. plug the harddrive into whatever you have hooked to the TV, instead of sharing over the network)?
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[15:34] <subv> ok the reason for this is because I fear that my powersupply isnt sufficient...
[15:35] <subv> i just got this yesterday and i have a iphone charger powering it.
[15:35] <subv> 5v/1amp
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[15:35] <IT_Sean> you will need a powered hub or externally powered HD enclosure to plug a HD into the pi anyway
[15:35] <IT_Sean> the raspi's USB port will not power a harddrive.
[15:35] <IT_Sean> regardless of what power supply you are using for the pi.
[15:35] <subv> wait this 2TB drive has AC power
[15:36] <IT_Sean> DINGDINGDING!
[15:36] <subv> so it shouldn't hinder it much.. let me test
[15:36] <IT_Sean> Tha'll do!
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[15:37] <subv> hmmmmm.
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[15:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ with a bit of hacking you can make the 2TB drive power teh RPi
[15:38] <IT_Sean> lets not go there yet.
[15:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[15:38] <IT_Sean> Let's get his Pi working, and THEN break it.
[15:38] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:38] <subv> but still... i have sickbeard and sabnzbd automatically putting media into my HDD
[15:39] <Number5> Hello guys, Are there more guys having issues with webcam? It seems like RPi can't handle camera data over usb well. Often it suddenly stops, or it flickers. Anyway, it doesn't seem to work stable enough and it even crashed a few times. I've never had a Linux crashed on pc, so I got an "oops".
[15:39] <subv> so this will take some getting used to.. unless i can share the drive over the network and have windows save it to the HDD attached to the RPi?
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[15:40] <IT_Sean> subv: that would be slow. Networking on the Pi is less than quick.
[15:40] <IT_Sean> pastable, but slow.
[15:41] <Number5> I don't want to bash RPi, I really like it, but is it true that maybe it's too hard for RPi to handle webcams (and yes the webcams are powerd by a separate hub).
[15:41] <IT_Sean> Number5: depends on the webcam
[15:41] <mjr> the performance will probably not be stellar
[15:42] <Number5> I had an old small one with low resolution.
[15:42] <mjr> the csi camera will be an improvement for camera apps, but of course not yet
[15:42] <IT_Sean> that should be out soonish
[15:42] <Number5> csi cmaera? let me google it
[15:42] <subv> im thinking of dropping windows 7 and getting slackware or another one of my favorite flavors
[15:43] <IT_Sean> subv: you cannot go wrong with not-Windows. :p
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[15:43] <Number5> subv, you should start with Mint if you're new. Use Mint based on XFCE.
[15:43] <Number5> Ubuntu is also good
[15:43] <ShiftPlusOne> if slackware is his favourite, I don't think he's new.
[15:43] <Number5> ShiftPlusOne, ooh well, than I said nothing :P
[15:44] <subv> lol... was my first distro i installed as a young pre-teen :)
[15:44] <ShiftPlusOne> well the windows bit threw me off too so.... who knows
[15:45] <subv> :)
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[15:46] <subv> so far smooth playback ..... i will try and get rid of linux... i think i will attempt to install another HDD on my workstation and loading linux on it. my windows drive has many many years of data... lol
[15:47] <subv> rid of windows!
[15:47] <Number5> My boss had SDXC card with 64 GB and tried to format it to FAT32, but Windows 7 refused, only exFAT and NTFS was possible. So I formatted on Linux with FAT32 and now it works on our mircocontroller based hardware which doesn't understand exFAT. -1 for Windows
[15:49] <Number5> (I wrote the SD interface voor our device and it just works with SDXC :P)
[15:49] <mjr> Yeah, windows has an artificial limit on fat size, they're just wanting to make you use one of the other filesystems, there's no technical reason
[15:49] <mjr> mind you, last I heard it can _use_ a larger fat fine, just not format
[15:49] <subv> i wish i could use a live linux .. but i need to install sickbeard and sabnzbd... if the system reboots a live run of linux won't save these extra apps...
[15:49] <subv> maybe slax live usb would work.. :\
[15:50] <Number5> mjr, they want us to pay for their exFAT license.
[15:50] <mjr> among other things, yes
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[15:50] <mjr> and the pooheads at sd consortium are helping
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[15:52] <Number5> mjr, yes I guess so, but don't they only just put exFAT on the cards?
[15:52] <Number5> It's actually force Windows users to use IE.
[15:52] <Number5> I mean it's like that
[15:53] <egrouse> subv you could always just make a live linux with sabnzbd and sickbeard installed?
[15:53] <egrouse> sabnzbd + sickbeard = ftw btw
[15:53] <egrouse> i love that stuff
[15:53] <egrouse> for all my public domain tv series ofc
[15:53] <mjr> making exfat the default for sdxc forces manufacturers into paying protection _or_ having to bother users with reformatting
[15:54] <mjr> but, gym now
[15:55] <spm_Draget> What is the latest kernel for the BC SoC / RPi?
[15:57] <subv> IT_Sean: is iphone charger sufficient?
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[15:57] <subv> or should i try and find a 2amp PS?
[15:58] <IT_Sean> To run the Pi? No. I couldn't get an iPhone charger to work.
[15:58] <IT_Sean> an iPad charger will work. But not an iPhone / iPod charger.
[15:58] <subv> well i just watched a show with 5v 1amp
[15:58] <IT_Sean> 5v 1a is enough to run the pi
[15:58] <subv> maybe it is an ipad charger
[15:59] <IT_Sean> you need 700mA to run a raspi
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[16:00] <subv> whoa... i restarted windows and now the shares work
[16:00] <IT_Sean> o-O
[16:00] <subv> should i mount via xbmc or cli?
[16:00] <subv> does it matter performance wise?
[16:01] <IT_Sean> shouldn't matter
[16:01] <subv> :cracks fingers: lets see how the playback is
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[16:04] <subv> ... Here is another question.. the board must head up some... would it be a good idea to attach a fan to the board?
[16:04] <subv> something small and silent..
[16:05] <IT_Sean> you don't need a fan
[16:05] <IT_Sean> it'll be fine on it's own
[16:05] <subv> head=heat.. ok even if i mount it behind a plasma.. which emits a good amount of head
[16:05] <subv> heat
[16:05] <subv> damn i need head lol
[16:05] <IT_Sean> ...
[16:06] <egrouse> lol
[16:06] <subv> ok.. thanks for all that
[16:06] <subv> :)
[16:06] <IT_Sean> this is a family friendly channel, so, if you mean what i think you mean... watch it.
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[16:06] <IT_Sean> That said, the Pi will auto-shutdown if it overheats. Don't worry about it though. It shouldn't need a cooler.
[16:06] <subv> referring to a cold beer.. and i will watch my words
[16:06] <IT_Sean> Ah, okay.
[16:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Actually, turns out it just turns off overclocking if it overheats
[16:07] <IT_Sean> I was totally in the gutter there. :p
[16:07] <ShiftPlusOne> because it's pretty much impossible to get to a high temperature without overclocking
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[16:07] <bge> I get the Raspberry logo twice sometimes when I boot up my Pi
[16:07] <subv> bge: means its twice as nice.. jk
[16:07] <IT_Sean> really? my understanding was the SoC would shutdown above a set temp...
[16:07] <ShiftPlusOne> so it gets to 85c, turns off OC and cools down automagically.
[16:07] <bge> Assumed it was because of updates or something
[16:08] <IT_Sean> ahh... okay....
[16:08] <bge> Only have RaspBMC on it
[16:08] <ShiftPlusOne> so was mine, but dom said something else on the forum, so I am sticking to this new theory
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[16:08] <subv> this channel will be my new home.. my raspberry is 2 days old... :))
[16:09] <pronto> yay
[16:09] <IT_Sean> I got mine last week. :p
[16:09] <IT_Sean> put OpenELEC on it.
[16:09] <subv> I tried openelec... but it seemed choppy
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[16:10] <subv> i tried last night openelec rasbian wheezy.. and i left it at xbian because i passed out
[16:10] <subv> to my suprised the interface was smooth on xbian
[16:10] <subv> But if OpenELEC seems to be the best build... id gladly go back to it
[16:11] <ParkerR> subv, A comma would help there. I was confused at first when reading "OpenELEC Raspbian Wheezy
[16:11] <subv> lol.. ParkerR.. true true..
[16:11] <subv> hybrid.
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[16:12] <IT_Sean> I haven't had any issues with OpenELEC
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[16:13] <ParkerR> RaspBMC has runn the best for me. I only use it over OpenELEC because it works with my wifi adapter
[16:13] <ParkerR> *run
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[16:13] <IT_Sean> Ahh. I use an ethernet / wifi bridge.
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[16:14] <subv> IT_Sean: thats my setup.. ethernet wifi bridhe...
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[16:14] <ParkerR> I use that setup for my old Xbox
[16:14] <subv> IT_Sean: how did you get OpenELEC on the sd... linux enviornment?
[16:15] <ParkerR> Yeah the download for OpenELEC Pi just has a linux installation script
[16:15] <IT_Sean> subv: I downloaded the OpenELEC image, popped a blank SD card into my thinkpad, and then followed the instructions provided with the download.
[16:15] <subv> I used the windows method.. using w32imgflasher
[16:15] <ParkerR> There are also some premade images
[16:15] <subv> or something like that
[16:15] <IT_Sean> I used the linux install script
[16:15] <IT_Sean> t'was stupid easy
[16:15] <subv> hmm... would the linux install script provide a more stable build then the prebuild images?
[16:16] <IT_Sean> no idea
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[16:16] <ParkerR> subv, Naah
[16:16] <ParkerR> If the premade images are up to date they are the same as if you used the script
[16:16] <IT_Sean> subv: yours is a 512 / rev b?
[16:16] <IT_Sean> *512 / model b ?
[16:16] <subv> how long did it take for the linux script to complete? | IT_Sean: yes that is correct.
[16:17] <IT_Sean> subv: it was very quick. a minute?
[16:17] <IT_Sean> a 512 / B should have no trouble running OpenELEC.
[16:17] <subv> hmm.. im going to try OpenELEC again..
[16:17] <subv> i just noticed the UI was slightly choppy
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[16:20] <ParkerR> subv, http://openelec.thestateofme.com/
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[16:20] <subv> i ran r13349.img and it was slightly choppy
[16:20] <subv> maybe its my SDCARD
[16:21] <ParkerR> "OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20130220030830-r13352.tar.bz2 20-Feb-2013 06:18 90M "
[16:21] <ParkerR> Is the latest dail build
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[16:21] <subv> i have a SanDisk SDHC 4GB card
[16:21] <ParkerR> subv, There is something you can try for choppiness
[16:21] <ParkerR> subv, Settings > System > Video > Always sync
[16:22] <subv> ok guys.. ill be right back. im going to jump on the linux box.
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[16:46] <spm_Draget> Are there kernel-patches that a somewhat portable and eventually have been ported to 3.4 / 3.7 / 3.8 ?
[16:47] <ParkerR> Hmm "Setting up multiarch-support (2.13-38+rpi1) "
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[16:47] <Weaselweb> spaola: afaik there is only 3.2 and 3.6
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[17:02] <_pash> hello! my rasp arrived today, i am thinking to put arch on it. do you think thats a good idea? over squeeze
[17:02] <_pash> "wheezy"*
[17:03] <jelly1> it's different
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[17:03] <_pash> whats the main difference? i have been using arch for a long time, so i am used to it
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[17:04] <_21h_> stupid asus wifi sometimes die (
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[17:12] <Duality> hey all
[17:12] <comradekingu> _21h_: Install tomatousb?
[17:13] <Duality> analog video is without color ?
[17:13] <IT_Sean> Duality: No.
[17:13] <IT_Sean> the composite out should be in color.
[17:13] <Duality> it is here, do i have to set some settings ?
[17:13] <IT_Sean> Check your settings. Sounds like an NTSC / PAL mixup, perhaps.
[17:13] <comradekingu> Or http://www.lostrealm.ca/tower/node/79 if its a recent wirelessrouter
[17:14] <Grievar> _pash: more people use raspbian, that's about it
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[17:15] <_pash> Grievar: why?
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[17:22] <Grievar> _pash: because it's easier? Why do you think :P
[17:22] <Grievar> also because it's debian
[17:22] <Grievar> and more people are familiar with debian-like distros (ubuntu, for example)
[17:23] <_pash> ahh
[17:23] <_pash> well well well... ;p i never got used to debian myself to be honest
[17:23] <jelly1> but arch has systemd <3
[17:24] <_pash> yessir
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[17:35] <Torikun> oi
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[18:06] <Flipo> Hello, I just did an apt-get upgrade and my rc.local file doesn't seem to work anymore, any ideas ? Thanks !
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[18:09] <pksato> Flipo: Its is not good to do a autmatic upgrade. But, run first apt-get update?
[18:10] <Flipo> pksato: I did apt-update then apt-upgrade
[18:10] <DeliriumTremens> raspbian has /etc/samba/smb.conf ??? no /etc/init.d/samba
[18:10] <DeliriumTremens> how do i start/restart that service?
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[18:13] <thogue> DeliriumTremens: sounds like samba service is not installed
[18:13] <DeliriumTremens> i tried to apt-get samba and cifs-utils..
[18:13] <DeliriumTremens> hmm
[18:14] <DeliriumTremens> guess i derped it
[18:14] <DeliriumTremens> thanks thogue
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[18:15] <thogue> no problem, if you want to check what packages are installed try dpkg --get-selections |grep PKGNAME
[18:16] <thogue> I would guess you ended up with samba-common but not the samba server
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[18:24] <_pash> hello, i am trying to share my internet connection from my mac to the raspberry with the D-link ethernet adapter, but it doesnt seem to be working
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[18:29] <KameSense> I just updated my Raspbian and wiringPi doesn't work any more
[18:29] <KameSense> root@raspberrypi:~# /usr/local/bin/gpio mode 7 out
[18:29] <KameSense> /usr/local/bin/gpio: Unable to initialise wiringPi mode
[18:29] <KameSense> any info on that anyone ?
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[18:30] <gordonDrogon> KameSense, possibly..
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> have you tried recompiling wiringPi
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> cd ; cd wiringPi ; ./build clean ; ./build
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> although I've just updated my Pi's and not run into that issue.
[18:32] <KameSense> I installed it as a package
[18:32] <KameSense> thru apt-get
[18:32] <KameSense> (I think)
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> odd. I've never produced a wiringPi package.
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> wonder who has...
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> does: dpkg -l | fgrep -i wiring
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> give anything:
[18:34] <rikkib> Thu Feb 21 06:34:28 NZDT 2013
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[18:35] <KameSense> oh sorry, from git
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> ok
[18:35] <rikkib> Happy birthday to me
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> so just do the above - cd ; cd wiringPi ; ./build clean ; ./build
[18:35] <rikkib> Up at down getting ready to do to work
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, happy dumps!
[18:35] <rikkib> dawn
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[18:36] <gordonDrogon> dawn? it's almost dark here..
[18:37] <IT_Sean> Ignore him. He lives on Earth's bottom. Everyone knows it's about midday.
[18:37] <KameSense> compiled it again but same error
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[18:39] <gordonDrogon> KameSense, most odd. what does gpio -v give you (version)
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[18:39] <KameSense> 1.7
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[18:40] <KameSense> rev 1 board
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> try git pull to update...
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> although that should be fine.
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[18:41] <KameSense> v1.12
[18:42] <KameSense> Yeah ! That works again ! Many many thanks
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> ok. most odd. must be some library issue after the update.
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> you have a new command there: gpio readall
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> or an updated version of that anyway.
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[18:43] <KameSense> I just use it to switch an external hdd on and off thru a relay
[18:44] <KameSense> so it's quite simple
[18:44] * gordonDrogon nods.
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> I orginally write the gpio command just to let me test the library, but I've seen many many people use it in its own right in some pretty big and complex bash scripts!
[18:45] <KameSense> but it simplifies the access of the GPIO in my bash scripts
[18:45] <KameSense> that's a nice work anyway, thanks for that again
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[19:39] <Tachyon`> ANyone know if the new (prebuilt) gertboards are intended for the new pi and gpio layout? I have both and am expecting issues
[19:40] <ryanteck> I think the new pi should work fine with it
[19:40] <ryanteck> They have been out for quite a while now.
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> both rev 1 and rev 2 will be fine.
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[19:43] <DoWhileGeek> ok so I have a possibly toasted rasp pi, I put a new raspbian img on my sd card and loaded it up. It goes to some kernel, but not the regular one. How do I get it to boot properly?
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[19:43] <IT_Sean> o_O
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[19:47] <DoWhileGeek> I did a query on the kernel, if that helps
[19:47] <DoWhileGeek> http://i.imgur.com/i7GVs5M.jpg
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> that's a standard kernel for raspbian.
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> why do you think its toast?
[19:48] <pronto> because he tasted it
[19:48] <pronto> after putting jelly on it
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> if you run sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade ; sudo reboot
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> then it will get the 3.6 kernel.
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[19:52] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, Mind if I pick your brain later about the gpio command-line program? I'm still having trouble using it to duplicate the adafruit blinky.py first-blinky-led script.
[19:52] <Scriven> Can't do it now, have to get children from school. :|
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, ok - if I'm about.
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> or email me.
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[19:55] <DoWhileGeek> gordonDrogon: http://i.imgur.com/3GAfrMe.jpg
[19:55] <Scriven> I'd like to try in channel, in case others also have the problem. I'll lyk when I'm back near the computer, thanks!
[19:56] <DoWhileGeek> gordonDrogon: and when I do andything with sudo it gives me sudo: not found
[19:56] <Scriven> with the # you don't need to sudo, # prompt means "user is root".
[19:56] <Scriven> but sudo should still work.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> DoWhileGeek, oh. Hm. well - fascinating. not seen that before. I'd re-flash the SD card..
[19:56] <DoWhileGeek> mmk, thanks
[19:58] <chod> mabe the path was not defined, other commands missing also ?
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> I think that kernel gets loaded when the main one fails to load - so the SD dard might be corrupted.
[20:00] <chod> aye
[20:00] <chod> a fresh image on sd easy fix if you have not much on it
[20:01] <DoWhileGeek> the problem is, I just put this image on
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[20:01] <DoWhileGeek> and this is a brand new micro sd specifically for this pi
[20:02] <chod> what image
[20:02] <DoWhileGeek> raspbian?
[20:02] <Duality> can i start he composite manually from command line ?
[20:02] <DoWhileGeek> I've used the same img multiple times and its worked before
[20:02] <chod> from raspberry.
[20:02] <chod> k
[20:02] <chod> edit the config file to enable the composite
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[20:03] <Duality> chod: yea i know how to enable composite, but was just wondering if it were able to start it after hdmi was selected
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[20:13] <DoWhileGeek> gordonDrogon: different sd card, same emergency kernel result
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[20:16] <DoWhileGeek> could my raspbian image be corrupt?
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[20:24] <Perkele> what's the most light weight browser on raspbian that supports javascript?
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[20:26] <DoWhileGeek> im going to try redownloading the image and flashing it to the sd again
[20:28] <DoWhileGeek> and I have two pi's. The other one's pwr led is solid when I turn it on, and the act light flashes, but theres no signal from the hdmi
[20:30] <SwK> gordonDrogon: hey do you know how much delay I should use on a 23017 when switching from output to input before sampling the input?
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[20:33] <smallfoot-> It really sucks that RPi is ARMv6, and it makes me cry! :(
[20:33] <smallfoot-> I really wish it was ARMv7 instead, and could run modern distributions such as Ubuntu Server
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[20:33] <smallfoot-> Please make a Model C with ARMv7
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> SwK, no idea, but it's not something I've ever though about - I'd start with zero delay.
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[20:34] <gordonDrogon> smallfoot-, pleae give the foundation lots of ?$? to make one with that spec, so they can subsidise it to $35 each.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> smallfoot-, however better still, do some reading and you'll find that Debian is just as capable of doing what you want as Ubuntu is.
[20:36] <SwK> gordonDrogon: yeah ??? zero delay sorta works lol??? i might need to add a few microsecs of sleep in there heh??? ugly hack of q2w to monitor the matrix keypads is working (sorta lol)
[20:36] <smallfoot-> yeah, but Debian is not so easy to use as Ubuntu Server
[20:36] <mjr> on a positive note, I don't think an armv7 model is unlikely, given several years
[20:36] <smallfoot-> and Ubuntu Server much more easy to install, configure, set up, and has better commercial support
[20:36] <smallfoot-> and how long will Debian support the old legacy ARMv6 architecture?
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[20:37] <SwK> ARMv6 isnt going anywhere anytime soon
[20:37] <smallfoot-> mjr, but then there will be ARMv8
[20:37] <smallfoot-> SwK, no phones or tablets use ARMv6 anymore, they all use ARMv7, so they all ditched ARMv6
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[20:37] <mjr> Debian actually doesn't support armv6 anyway
[20:37] <mjr> raspbian is custom-built for the pi
[20:37] <smallfoot-> SwK, ARMv6 has gone away, Ubuntu isn't supporting it, they only support ARMv7
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[20:38] <smallfoot-> oh
[20:38] <mjr> (debian does support armv4 though, and that works, but doesn't take full advantage of the pi)
[20:38] <ParkerR> mjr, Debian supports armv6. They have armv6 packages in the main repos
[20:38] <SwK> smallfoot-: the CPU on the RPi was never intended for phones/tablets??? its a set top SoC
[20:38] <smallfoot-> well, it would be really nice to be able to use any stock distribution such as Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, without have to rely on a special-purpose custom-built Raspberry distribution
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[20:39] <SwK> you are always going to have a custom distro for something like the RPi, anytime you stick something from BCM in, the drivers are almost always non-free according to the debian definition
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[20:41] <smallfoot-> SwK, well Ubuntu ship with linux-firmware which contains non-free binary blobs
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[20:41] <SwK> so does debian
[20:41] <pierut> :>
[20:41] <smallfoot-> and wasn't Raspberry Pi meant for education, then why does it ship with non-free binary blobs and black box that cant be studied?
[20:41] <SwK> and where does ubuntu based on...
[20:42] <SwK> the RPi is not meant for teaching you the guts of the SoC??? its mean to teach entry level coding, and robotics
[20:42] <SwK> you dont need to know how the CPU drivers or how the video drivers work for that
[20:42] <SwK> you just need the ABI/APIs for that
[20:43] <smallfoot-> true, but surerly would have been nice if an educational device was more open and free and less of a mysterious blackbox
[20:43] <mjr> while the blob is a concern, indeed it isn't really an obstacle for the purpose
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[20:44] <SwK> i dont find the driver blob all that big of a problem
[20:44] <mjr> surely, but I can understand that they make do with what they can have while it's not actually possible to get much more open cheap chips
[20:44] <SwK> the fact is most people couldnt even understand the code in some of those drivers anyway
[20:44] <smallfoot-> well it prevents students from installing any distro and play with and learn, and instead they're forced to use a specially-purpose custom-built rpi distro
[20:44] <mjr> the blob isn't preventing that
[20:44] <SwK> ^^^
[20:45] <mjr> of forcing the use of raspbian
[20:45] <smallfoot-> well i cant install stock debian or stock ubuntu on it, i need raspbian
[20:45] <SwK> people run arch, fedora, debian, rasbpian and others
[20:45] <smallfoot-> they run debian? i thought they could only run raspbian
[20:45] <mjr> I already said stock debian armv4 will work, you'll just rather want raspbian
[20:45] <applegekko> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
[20:46] <mjr> heck, stock debian was the first officially recommended distro anyway
[20:46] <mjr> raspbian came along later
[20:46] <DoWhileGeek> has anyone had a problem where the pi doesnt display to hdmi, and the act light flashes twice continuously?
[20:46] <smallfoot-> oh
[20:46] <DoWhileGeek> theres error codes on the wiki for 3 - 7 flashes, but not two
[20:46] <plugwash> The Pi needs a device specific kernel but that is the norm among arm boards due to lack of standardisation :(
[20:46] <smallfoot-> so what's the difference between debian and raspbian?
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[20:46] <smallfoot-> ARMv4? thats from the 80s? I wish we could run Ubuntu Server and other ARMv7 dists on Rpi
[20:46] <SwK> the main difference is a customized kernel
[20:46] <mjr> yes, the arm situation is suboptimal to say the least but it's not really a pi specific problem
[20:47] <mjr> arm kernel situation
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[20:47] <mjr> moving the goalposts much
[20:47] <plugwash> smallfoot-, debian has two arm ports, armel and armhf, debian armel will run on the Pi but is far from optimal for it. debian armhf has minimum CPU requirements too high to run on the Pi
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[20:48] <SwK> apt-get installs alot of armhf packages
[20:48] <SwK> in raspbian
[20:48] <mjr> If the pi's not up to your spec, whining about it isn't going to help. There are other small arm boards that should satisfy your needs, for a price anyway.
[20:48] <plugwash> raspbian takes debian armhf and lowers the minimum CPU requirement (which means recompiling everything :( ) so it will work on the Pi while keeping the hardfloat goodness
[20:48] <SwK> from the main debian repos
[20:48] <SwK> and theres nothing wrong with that???
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[20:49] <plugwash> DO NOT ADD DEBIAN REPOS TO A RASPBIAN SYSTEM
[20:49] <SwK> i mean really are you going to complain about a $25/35 computer software?
[20:49] <plugwash> or you will very quickly end up with a system that won't run on a Pi
[20:50] <SwK> heh
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[20:50] <SwK> plugwash: i keep seeing stuff grabbed from debian mirros I thought
[20:50] <SwK> (maybe that was an old image or something)
[20:52] <smallfoot-> mjr, any board has Ethernet and ARMv7 and works with Ubuntu Server?
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[20:53] <smallfoot-> SwK, only that it doesn't have ARMv7. Imagine it running stock Debian armhf, and Ubuntu Server...
[20:53] <mjr> See the supported board list for ubuntu server for arm. I doubt they support very many boards out of the box (like you want it) due to said problems with arm platform standardization or lack thereof. You often need the custom kernel build and/or bootloader.
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[20:53] <mjr> the list appears to be three boards long: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/arm
[20:54] <smallfoot-> mjr, yeah, I thought that platform standardization had gotten better lately with Linaro, and later kernels, idk
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[20:55] <plugwash> There has been a push for it but afaict we haven't really seen the fruits of that push yet
[20:56] <SwK> smallfoot-: why would even consider that??? if you want a server buy a server
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[20:56] <frikinz> for a lot of servers, hardfloat won't make a difference
[20:57] <smallfoot-> SwK, but lots of people use Rpi has a HTPC/media center and server
[20:57] <dmitri1> guys, please help, is there a way to connect raspberry pi to laptop and use laptop as keyboard and display to make all basic configuration (set up ssh etc.) ?
[20:58] <DoWhileGeek> dmitri1: I dont think so
[20:58] <IT_Sean> You would need to SSH into the Pi to do that
[20:58] <IT_Sean> There is no way to use a laptops leyboard / display for the Pi other than over the network
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[20:58] <dmitri1> IT_Sean: :(
[20:59] <IT_Sean> The raspi is a computer... not a peripheral. The same stands true for your laptop.
[20:59] <DoWhileGeek> dmitri1: You might be able to edit the config file to set that up from your computer
[21:00] <dmitri1> IT_Sean: i want to use rasp from my laptop with ssh, but as i understand to config ssh for example I need some display or tv.. etc
[21:00] <IT_Sean> You can edit the config file on the SD card to enable SSH
[21:00] <dmitri1> really?) it sounds amazing
[21:01] <dmitri1> why didn't think about it
[21:01] <DoWhileGeek> dmitri1: But you still need to get the internal ip address, which involves running ifconfig in a terminal on the pi
[21:01] <IT_Sean> He can also get the IP address (internal) from his router, once the raspi is on then etwork and booted.
[21:01] <frikinz> or looking at your router if it keeps track of ip adress it gave
[21:01] <smallfoot-> how many packages are in the raspian repo?
[21:01] <frikinz> I thought ssh was enabled by default on latest images?
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[21:01] <DoWhileGeek> >implying he has access to the router
[21:02] <frikinz> then use nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24
[21:02] <IT_Sean> I'm assuming he is on his own network, if he is setting up an SSH enabled raspi on it.
[21:02] <smallfoot-> Can I use lighttpd, apache, mysql, postgresql, python, ruby, perl, php, git, java, mono on rpi?
[21:03] <dmitri1> thx, guys
[21:03] <IT_Sean> no prob dmitri1
[21:03] <frikinz> smallfoot-: most of what exists in debian is in raspbian. not sure about mono
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[21:09] <Torikun> Another dropbox alternative launched today: https://www.copy.com/price/
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[21:11] <frikinz> Do you know if it has automatic sync of a directory with the linux version? I need some other member for my network raid :)
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[21:14] <DoWhileGeek> lets say you really fuck up, and you think the polyfuse is derping, how long does it take to recrystalize?
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[21:14] <DoWhileGeek> I left mine off overnight and its being weird
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[21:17] <DoWhileGeek> can someone please help me, I have two seemingly dead pi's on my hand x.x
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[21:17] <IT_Sean> Symptoms?
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[21:18] <DoWhileGeek> I plug in my pi. red led is lit, green led flashes twice perpetually, no signal from hdmi
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[21:19] <IT_Sean> Did you properly image the SD card?
[21:19] <DoWhileGeek> yes
[21:19] <IT_Sean> what are you using for a power supply?
[21:19] <DoWhileGeek> a micro sd phone charger, its worked before
[21:19] <IT_Sean> with a Pi?
[21:19] <DoWhileGeek> I was playing with the gpio yesturday, and then this happened
[21:19] <IT_Sean> What were you doing with the GPIO?
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[21:19] <DoWhileGeek> yes, the pi has booted normally before
[21:20] <IT_Sean> Okay, okay... Just checking the basics first.
[21:20] <IT_Sean> What were you doing with the GPIO?
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[21:20] <DoWhileGeek> I connected the 5v lead to a relay, and the other part of the relay went to gnd
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[21:20] <IT_Sean> and you turned the relay on and off?
[21:20] <DoWhileGeek> the relay switched, but then the pwr led flickered and now this
[21:20] <IT_Sean> you may have killed it.
[21:20] <IT_Sean> :/
[21:21] <DoWhileGeek> I've done this with another pi
[21:21] <DoWhileGeek> let it sit for like a week, and now it boots into the emergency kernel
[21:21] <IT_Sean> wait... so, it DOES boot?
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[21:21] <DoWhileGeek> this is a different pi I did the same thing with
[21:21] <IT_Sean> oh. I see.
[21:22] <DoWhileGeek> I dont understand why the gpio has these pins, but when you actually use them it kills it x.x
[21:22] <IT_Sean> Someone with better electronics-fu can explain better, but, i seem to recall there being a reason why it was a bad idea to do that...
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[21:22] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: you about?
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[21:23] <DoWhileGeek> so should I assume theyre busted
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[21:24] <IT_Sean> I'm not ready to delcare time of death just yet, but, that one might be.
[21:24] <Hoerie> doesn't the pi work off 3.3V instead of 5V?
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[21:24] <DoWhileGeek> Hoerie: Thats what I read, but theres a 5v pin on the gpio
[21:24] <Hoerie> "GPIO voltage levels are 3.3 V and are not 5 V tolerant. There is no over-voltage protection on the board"
[21:24] <IT_Sean> Hoerie: there is a 5v supply pin in the GPIO.
[21:25] <DoWhileGeek> oh
[21:25] <IT_Sean> As long as you don't short the 5v to one of the 3.3v pins, you SHOULD be okay.
[21:25] <Tachyon`> hrm, can the pi output 848x480 via HDMI
[21:25] <DoWhileGeek> it was the 5v to gnd
[21:25] <IT_Sean> 5V to GND should be okeh.
[21:25] <DoWhileGeek> well idk why it did this
[21:25] <Tachyon`> I got a very cheap projector and it seems that's what it is
[21:25] <IT_Sean> I recall something about a relay possibly causing a surge or something when it switches off.
[21:26] <IT_Sean> It's a bit above my understanding... i only saw part of the convo
[21:26] <Hoerie> there's some stuff about this in the MagPi iirc
[21:26] <Hoerie> and gordondrogon's website may have some insights too
[21:27] <IT_Sean> it sounds like it might be crispy duck, though.
[21:27] <pierut> mmm
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[21:28] <DoWhileGeek> well shit
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[21:28] <aldasa> DoWhileGeek: what relay were you using?
[21:28] <DoWhileGeek> both pi's were company property x.x
[21:28] <DoWhileGeek> aldasa: a small one with a 3v coil
[21:28] <IT_Sean> ouch
[21:28] <IT_Sean> company property?
[21:29] <IT_Sean> were you SUPPOSED to be playing with their GPIOs?
[21:29] <mjr> hooking a relay to the 5v output seems to be a bit futile anyway, considering it's not software controllable...
[21:29] <DoWhileGeek> IT_Sean: yeah, were derping around with automation
[21:30] <DoWhileGeek> mjr: I was derping
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[21:30] <IT_Sean> Indeed... if you were on the 5V output... how were you switching it on/off?
[21:30] <IT_Sean> you didn't go from 5v to one of the 3.3v pins, did you!?
[21:30] <DoWhileGeek> plugging the wire into the breadboard
[21:30] <IT_Sean> oooh
[21:30] <DoWhileGeek> IT_Sean: no
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[21:31] <IT_Sean> Just for your own future knowledge, it's probably best to build some sort of protection into ANYTHING you will be plugging into GPIO, in future. The Pi is fairly sensitive to electronic shenanigans.
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[21:33] <smallfoot-> anyone knows a site that lists alternatives to rpi and their price?
[21:34] <DoWhileGeek> shoulda followed this x.x http://www.susa.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Relay-Sample.png
[21:37] <DoWhileGeek> okay, just ordered a new pi. Gonna try and quietly switch them out without anyone noticing x.x
[21:37] <Cykey> lol
[21:38] <Cykey> don't forget diodes man
[21:38] <Cykey> also, if it doesn't boot
[21:38] <IT_Sean> You made an honest mistake. It's probably better to just own up to it. tell your higher ups you've already sourced a replacement, etc...
[21:38] <Cykey> just wait a day or two
[21:38] <Cykey> It happened to me a few weeks ago
[21:39] <Cykey> just leave it unpowered somewhere
[21:39] <Cykey> wait and then try again
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[21:39] <IT_Sean> Cykey: If he's toasted one of the GPIO pins, it's likely shagged. Waiting a few days is fairly likely to do squat all.
[21:39] <Cykey> oh well.
[21:39] <Cykey> worked for me once haha
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[21:40] <IT_Sean> DoWhileGeek: Ifi tm akes you feel any better, at my old job, i once released the magical blue smoke from a two-of-a-kind, very expensive prototype device.
[21:40] <smallfoot-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers
[21:41] <DoWhileGeek> IT_Sean: dat smell
[21:41] <IT_Sean> It was a very expensive smell.
[21:42] <doomy> Hi guys
[21:42] <IT_Sean> I was evaluating firmware for a new prototype device... Had it powered up on my bench. Knocked a paperclip off the shelf above the tech bench... It landed perfectly, shorting 24v to 3.3v. FRAPOWFF!
[21:42] <Ose> so I can successfully SSH into my pi from my laptop on my home network. now how do I figure out how I get in over the internet?
[21:42] <doomy> I accidentally killed my console using SDL+EGL (blank screen + mouse pointer, which I can't move). Any way to retrieve it ?
[21:42] <IT_Sean> It was one of only two in existence, and was worth quite a bit. And i was two weeks on the job.
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[21:43] <chod> Ose, have you a firewall?, have you a fixed ip
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[21:44] <Ose> yes and yes I think. i'm not very familiar with the tech, but i'm guessing I need to forward a port (22?)
[21:44] <chod> yes
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[21:49] <Cykey> IT_Sean: whoa, what are the odds lol
[21:49] <Ose> looking at the port forwarding menu on my router, I see no field for picking a port, but there is a dropdown for services, with no option for SSH. do I pick telnet?
[21:49] <Tachyon`> hi, bit off topic but does anyone know of clips that can program TSOP56 flash devices in circuit? perhaps an adapter for a willem or similar programmer?
[21:49] <Tachyon`> the little NES from dealextreme has a TSOP56 flash chip containing the games, however as it's made from the finest quality chinesium I don't want to risk the hot air near it in case it melts...
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[21:52] <aldasa> Ose: telnet is a different port. Is there another option to add services?
[21:52] <DoWhileGeek> IT_Sean: oh poopdamn
[21:53] <Ose> aldasa: an advanced option seems to have appeared out of nowhere. here I can pick external/internal starting/ending ports and service type TCP and/or UDP
[21:54] <DoWhileGeek> Ose: you seem knowledgeable on ssh. I can ssh into my pi fine on lan. But I cant connect to it over wan with an external ip. How do?
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[21:54] <Ose> I know nothing
[21:54] <chod> set a port fwd on your firewall
[21:55] <mjr> Ose, cool. Then forward 22 (or whatever) to Pi's 22
[21:55] <chod> then ssh to the external ip and port you just set
[21:55] <mjr> 22 is good if you only want to forward ssh to one box
[21:55] <chod> which then port forwards internally to the ip & port on your pi
[21:56] <Ose> do I pick tcp, udp, or tcp/udp?
[21:56] <chod> sorry mrj, i was just typing not reading
[21:56] <chod> ssh is tcp i believe
[21:56] <doomy> yes, it is
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[21:57] <DoWhileGeek> I dont know much about networks. When you port forward, do you just open up a port whily nilly, or do you open port on a specific ip?
[21:57] <chod> nearly any external port would work
[21:58] <chod> low ones can conflict with existing equimpment
[21:58] <Ose> great success!
[21:58] <chod> nice one
[21:58] <Ose> thank you
[21:58] <chod> the specific external is *your* ip
[21:58] * chod looks about
[21:59] <aldasa> some routers dont do port translation. you need the both port numbers to match
[21:59] <chod> i got berryip on my pi atm
[21:59] <chod> aldasa: yes, i use ipcop
[22:00] <chod> doh
[22:00] <chod> berryIO
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[22:19] <SwK> anyone around that is using wiringPi and a 23017 to drive a matrix keypad? having some issues with spurious inputs maybe you can help me with...
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[22:20] <Ose> okay, how about FTP? I tried using filezilla to connect to my pi over LAN, didn't work. any tips?
[22:20] <Ose> tried ports 20 and 21 because my router uses those for the FTP preset
[22:21] <Vlad> have you installed an ftp daemon on it?
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[22:21] <Ose> nope, I know pretty much nothing about FTP except how to down/upload in filezilla
[22:21] <Ose> how do I do that?
[22:21] <chod> Ose use file transfer over ssh
[22:22] <chod> ftp is in secure and uses two ports
[22:23] <Ose> uh-huh
[22:24] <chod> u got ssh working already so its there
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[22:27] <dwatkins> yay, my Pi ran happily for 4 days without hanging
[22:28] <chod> have ppl had pi's hanging ?
[22:28] <IT_Sean> Mine's been running since i got it.
[22:28] <IT_Sean> :p
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[22:28] <Mortvert> I got mine back from RMA
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[22:28] <Mortvert> works flawlessly
[22:28] <chod> uptime IT_Sean
[22:28] <dwatkins> my original one would hang when CPU load got high
[22:29] <chod> heat?
[22:29] <Mortvert> dwatkins - all diodes went dark? :3
[22:29] <chod> or just load
[22:29] <IT_Sean> chod: im not at home right now, but, over a week?
[22:29] * chod nods
[22:29] <dwatkins> Mortvert: don't think so, no
[22:29] <Mortvert> Hm. Got a pi pulling webcasts from internets. What to do next..
[22:30] <Ose> more port forwarding: I have django up and running, it is now available on http://127.0.0.1:8000/, but what does that mean the port forwarding should be to get to it from the internet? the default for http is port 80 for every field
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[22:30] <D481A3> hi, I keep getting screen flickers but I have config_hdmi_boost=4 set, any ideas?
[22:31] <IT_Sean> Ose: what's your external IP?
[22:31] <IT_Sean> that 127.0.0.1 is internal.
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[22:31] <Ose> well duh
[22:32] <Ose> that's why i'm forwarding ports :P
[22:32] <Vlad> no no. Ose
[22:32] <chod> ose nothing pulls
[22:32] <Vlad> he means internal as in local host
[22:32] <chod> its a port forward from the fire wall
[22:32] <Vlad> it's internal to _that host_ only
[22:32] <chod> the pi needs a lan ip aswell as its own internal
[22:32] <Vlad> you need to find your IP on the LAN
[22:33] <Vlad> and forward to that
[22:33] * chod nods
[22:33] <IT_Sean> what's your LAN IP?
[22:33] <chod> 'ifconfig'
[22:33] <Ose> the pi is 192.168.1.18, 212.251.211.132 is my external ip
[22:33] * Vlad shakes his head at chod :(
[22:33] <Vlad> ip a
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[22:33] <Vlad> ifconfig is old and smelly :p
[22:33] <Ose> I tried forwarding port 8000, couldn't get anything on http://212.251.211.132:8000/
[22:33] <chod> :P
[22:34] <IT_Sean> what lan IP did you forward to?
[22:34] <Ose> 192.168.1.18
[22:34] <Vlad> it's unlikely you will be able to see it on your external IP from inside the LAN, Ose
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[22:34] <Vlad> very few routers will let you do that
[22:34] <Ose> I used http://whatismyipaddress.com/ for that
[22:34] <IT_Sean> yah... you need to test from OUTSIDE your lan.
[22:35] <Ose> I was able to SSH into the pi both internally and over the internet
[22:35] <Vlad> also, i'm surprised people still use sites like that :P
[22:35] <chod> Vlad its just a differnet output and proto
[22:35] <Ose> now i'm trying to get http working
[22:35] <Vlad> just google "ip". it'll return your IP address it sees
[22:35] <Vlad> works for v6 too, which is quite nice
[22:35] <Ose> I just googled "my ip" and got that for top result
[22:35] <chod> on some boxes yes
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[22:43] <chod> ip a dont work on fedora or riscos
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[22:44] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, here now ...
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[22:45] <IT_Sean> nevermind. :p
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[22:46] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: i was trying, and failing, to recall why it was a Bad Idea to run a relay directly from a Pi, so i could asplain it to DoWhileGeek
[22:46] <Tachyon`> it would draw too much power
[22:46] <Tachyon`> and kill the output
[22:46] <Tachyon`> you need a transistor at least
[22:46] * IT_Sean pokes DoWhileGeek with the above three lines
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[22:50] <DoWhileGeek> huh what
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[22:51] <chod> a diode for back emf
[22:51] <DoWhileGeek> Tachyon`: so I did fry it correct?
[22:51] <chod> normal use is a uln2003a or equilivent
[22:51] <chod> darlington driver i believe
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[22:53] <NineTeen67Comet> Hello, looking for some autofs help for USB sticks. I'm running Raspbian and would like any usb device to be mounted in /media and available to samba. I can set it up manually, but I need to to automount the sticks or hdds .. help? (It's CLI / headless)
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[22:53] <NineTeen67Comet> This raspberry pi is going to my cousin and he needs it to be pretty magical since he's got zero interest in Linux other than to have me hook him up with backup equipment and the such.
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[22:56] <chod> i dont know if there is a nice nas system for the pi
[22:56] <Guest10197> Save your self some hassle and get him to buy a Stora NAS. 60 quid and all plug'n'play
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[22:56] <gordonDrogon> yea, needs more power as she canny take it, capt.
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[22:59] <leonixyz> Hi, how is it possible to set vga kernel parameter?
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[23:00] <chod> there are some config options
[23:00] <chod> vga?
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[23:02] <leonixyz> chod, yes i mean vga, which config options? i see only hdmi configuration options in http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[23:02] <chod> what are you trying todo
[23:02] <chithead> there is only hdmi and composite output, no vga
[23:02] <leonixyz> to set a smaller screen resolution
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[23:03] <leonixyz> sorry i mean composite
[23:03] <chod> there is a mode line
[23:03] <chod> that will give smaller defined modes
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[23:03] <chod> google knows where the list is
[23:04] <chod> the entry goes in rpi_config.txt
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[23:08] <Ose> asking again: I have a Django server up and running on my pi, can see it on http://localhost:8000/. How do I forward ports so that I can get to it on the LAN and from the internet?
[23:08] <Torikun> how do you all play nintendo gaems on the pi
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[23:08] <gordonDrogon> Ose, read the manual that came with your router.
[23:08] <Torikun> what emulaters you recommend
[23:09] <chod> ose
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[23:09] <chod> set a port forward from the firewall
[23:09] <chod> Torikun: install an emulator
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[23:09] <chithead> if the router supports upnp you can open ports via that. either by using curl to talk soap directly, or some upnp library
[23:09] <Torikun> recommend any?
[23:10] <chithead> try all those that come in your distro's repo and stick with the one you like most
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[23:10] <applegekko> Ose: portforward.com
[23:10] <SwK> gordonDrogon: I think I found a bug lol
[23:11] <Dyskette> Torikun: I think retroarch is the most widely used on the pi
[23:11] <Torikun> ty
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[23:14] <SwK> gordonDrogon: http://pastebin.ca/2316108 bastardized q2w to scan the bus looking for inputs on GPIO1-7, 8 is in output??? no inputs changing any hints?
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[23:15] <Ose> chod: i'm an idiot when it comes to how networks work? the router asks for external/internal starting/ending ports. I don't know what those are supposed to be, I just know I want to use my browser to view what the pi shows on port 8000
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> SwK, checking..
[23:16] <Scriven> Ose, the 'external' port is the port you want to open for the outside world
[23:17] <Scriven> the inside port is your 8080 at the pi's ip.
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[23:17] <Scriven> they don't have to be the same.
[23:17] <Scriven> so you could forward port 12345 to 8080 if you want.
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[23:18] <Scriven> and they want starting/ending ports b/c the router can forward a range to 1 internal ip, or a range to a range.
[23:18] <Scriven> if you only want 1 port, just make start/end the same
[23:18] <Ose> 8080, not 8000?
[23:18] <SwK> gordonDrogon: notice the changing inputs on bits 5-7 in the output
[23:18] <Scriven> whichever you like. I missread it as 8080, but 8000 works too.
[23:18] <Scriven> The numbers are all up to you.
[23:18] <Ose> ok
[23:18] <Scriven> the easiest would be to forward 8000 external to 8000 internal pi ip.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> SwK, ok... are they supposed to change?
[23:19] <Ose> well django wants to use 8000 by default, so i'll go with that
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[23:19] <Scriven> yup, but you can pick any outside port you want and still use 8000 internally, they are joined via the router itself.
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[23:19] <Ose> well I tried 8000 for all fields, couldn't connect
[23:19] <SwK> arg??? i hate that
[23:20] <Scriven> did you have the internal ip right? And is the pi listening on an external address, or localhost only?
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[23:20] <SwK> gordonDrogon: I missed that last message??? clicked the wrong 3mm^2 on the screen to close it
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> SwK, if nothings connected to it, they may just be floating at random..
[23:20] <Scriven> <gordonDrogon> SwK, ok... are they supposed to change?
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[23:20] <Scriven> lol!
[23:20] <Scriven> dooh!
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[23:21] <SwK> arg
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[23:21] <SwK> gordonDrogon: external pullup resistor tied to Vcc
[23:21] <Scriven> so gordonDrogon, if I wanted to blink physical pin 12 (gpio pin 18 IIRC), what are the CLI commands I should be using w/ gpio program?
[23:21] <Scriven> it works via wiringpi, but not via cli.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, gpio mode 1 out ; gpio write 1 1 ; gpio write 1 0
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[23:21] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, mode 1? not mode 12 or 18?
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, how did you intialise wiringPi in your program?
[23:22] <Scriven> er, pin 1?
[23:22] <Scriven> will pastebin, hang on.
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> wiringPiSetup() or wiringPiSetupGpio() ?
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[23:22] <Ose> Scriven: the internal ip is definently correct, SSH works, using that IP. not sure about the second question, how do I check that?
[23:22] <_pash> hello guys
[23:22] <Scriven> Ose, check via WWW inside, not ssh.
[23:22] <Scriven> IE does http://ip:8000/ work?
[23:22] <_pash> i am trying to share my internet connection from my mac, but i am using a d-link dub-e100 and it doesnt work from mac, but only from linux
[23:22] <Ose> no
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, wiringPiSetup() or wiringPiSetupGpio() ?
[23:23] <Ose> not on the pi
[23:23] <Scriven> yeah, i'd say that means the pi's www interface is listening on the loopback device and not the eth0/wlan0 device.
[23:23] <Scriven> GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BOARD)
[23:23] <Scriven> GPIO.setup(ledPin, GPIO.OUT )
[23:23] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, ^^^
[23:23] <Scriven> ledPin is set to 12.
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> that's python. Ive no idea.
[23:23] <Ose> I know some of these words
[23:24] <Ose> so I need to change some config thing on the pi?
[23:24] <Scriven> Ose, the way linux works w/ networking is that you have the program listen on a port via the device... but if the device is the 'local' machine, it basically means 'only listen here to myself'
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, where have you physically connected the wire?
[23:24] <Guest10197> _pash, how is your Mac connected to the net?
[23:24] <Scriven> Ose, so yes, something with the django config is setup to listen to itself only, and not the outside interface
[23:24] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, pin 12.
[23:24] <Ose> aha
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, ok, physical pin 12 is BCM_GPIO 18 is wiringPi pin 1.
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, So from the command-line: gpio mode 1 out ; gpio write 1 1 ; gpio write 1 0
[23:25] <Scriven> it'll be listening to 'loopback' or 'localhost' or something, and that should change to eth0/wlan0
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[23:25] <Scriven> OIC! I missed that extra mapping! let me check.
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, OR: gpio -g mode 18 out ; gpio -g write 18 1 ; gpio -g write 18 0
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, your program probably wants to use pin 1.
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, but I've no idea how the python wiringPi wrappers work.
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[23:27] <Scriven> oh, that worked!! OK.
[23:27] <Scriven> That was the next question, is there a page showing gpio/wiringpi/physical mapping?
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
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[23:28] <Scriven> AH HAH!
[23:28] <Scriven> now I have to run around naked yelling Eureka!
[23:28] <Scriven> ;)
[23:28] <Scriven> tyvm, I knew it was something minor.
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[23:28] <Scriven> didn't realise there was an extra mapping I was missing, had gpio bcm confused w/ wiringpi numbers.
[23:28] <Scriven> tyvm!
[23:29] <Scriven> now anything can blink... muahahahahah! >:)
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[23:30] <gordonDrogon> the gpio command is very handy - you probably have an older version. try: gpio readall
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> back in 5...
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[23:31] <Ose> thanks for the help Scriven, the guys over at #django knew what to do
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[23:33] <SwK> gordonDrogon: you know what
[23:33] <SwK> gordonDrogon: I probably need to enable the internal pullups!
[23:33] <_pash> Guest, through wifi
[23:33] <SwK> stupid me
[23:33] <SwK> the external pull ups are on gpioA 1-4
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[23:37] <steve_rox> iam awake again , did i miss anything fun?
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[23:38] <Scriven> yw Ose
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[23:41] <gordonDrogon> SwK, good idea.
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[23:44] <SwK> gordonDrogon: you dont know the register for the pullups do you? lolol (as i go looking for the datasheet heheh)
[23:44] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, Is there some way to add the physical pin number to the readall command in gpio? even as a flag?
[23:46] <Scriven> now I need a breadboard and moar LEDs! Moar Blinking!!! ;)
[23:46] <SwK> gordonDrogon: heh 0x06 yay!
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[23:46] <chod> LED fest!
[23:47] <Scriven> exactly! LED party!
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