#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-02-21

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[0:05] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, I could add that in....
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> SwK, read the fine manual.
[0:06] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, may be a useful thing I'd have thought.
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[0:07] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, maybe.
[0:08] <gregd> guys, i got xbmc on framebuffer as well as xorg installed on my rpi (512mb) with xbmc starting by default. How to manage both of them at the same time? I'd like to be able to invoke xorg from xbmc level
[0:08] <Scriven> Certainly not a huge deal, especially considering you've got them mapped at your website anyway.
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[0:29] <subv> Hey guys...
[0:30] <subv> what happens if i run an apt-get upgrade on my xbian?
[0:30] * KiltedPi (~Nbane@host-89-242-176-124.as13285.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[0:30] <subv> shows there many things to upgrade.. will it break anything?
[0:30] <mgottschlag> usually upgrade shouldn't break anything
[0:30] * tanuva (~tanuva@e180077146.adsl.alicedsl.de) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[0:30] <mgottschlag> after all, this isn't arch ;)
[0:30] * Retrospect (~Saicho@5ED312C6.cm-7-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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[0:31] <subv> ok .. does it make me current to the daily releases?
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[0:33] <Mortvert> Okay, what? Apparently, pi made my SD card case crack
[0:34] <subv> i doubt there are any moving parts that will crack yoru sd case ... perhaps you are stronger then you think?
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[0:35] <KittyPaws> okies...
[0:35] <KittyPaws> How do I get Raspbian to let go of the UART pins?
[0:36] <KittyPaws> I would like to use that portion of the GPIO header but can't because it's already in use by Raspbian. :/
[0:37] <Mortvert> subv - it's cracked on both sides
[0:37] * KiltedPi (~Nbane@host-89-242-176-124.as13285.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[0:37] <KittyPaws> Mortvert! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
[0:38] <KittyPaws> Also...
[0:38] <Mortvert> KittyPaws - why the nickchange?
[0:38] * LxKermit is now known as SixtyFold
[0:38] * KiltedPi (~Nbane@host-89-242-176-124.as13285.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:38] <KittyPaws> how come my VPN is banned? :o
[0:38] <KittyPaws> Mortvert: ?
[0:38] <Mortvert> KittyPaws is logged in as SophieB
[0:38] <KittyPaws> What?
[0:38] <Mortvert> ^That^
[0:38] <KittyPaws> ...
[0:38] <Mortvert> I was like "Who is this?"
[0:38] * KittyPaws is confuzzled
[0:38] <Mortvert> Why am i getting bombarded by smiley faces
[0:38] <KittyPaws> pls could u unban my VPN hun? :(
[0:38] <Mortvert> Not me. take it to ops
[0:39] <KittyPaws> Where?! :o
[0:39] <Mortvert> wait. what vpn and where?
[0:39] <KittyPaws> vpn.kottnet.net is banned. :/
[0:39] <Viper-7> KittyPaws: disabling the serial console to ttyAMA0 should be enough
[0:39] <KittyPaws> how very typical of u. :(
[0:39] <Viper-7> /etc/inittab and /boot/cmdline.txt
[0:39] <KittyPaws> Well I haven't got my pi with me atm
[0:39] <KittyPaws> is it okay if I snapshot this convo? :o
[0:40] <Viper-7> http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/raspberry-pi-serial-port
[0:40] <Mortvert> #raspberrypi *!*s98259@*.kottnet.eu set by shiftplusone!~Shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone (Sat Jan 26 20:47:32)
[0:40] <Mortvert> Take it to him, KittyPaws.
[0:40] <Viper-7> no worries :P
[0:40] <Duality> no despotify in pistore ?
[0:40] <KittyPaws> ShiftPlusOne: Whyy sooo mean to meee? :(
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[0:41] <KittyPaws> Viper-7: Thankies hun :3
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[0:41] * Coburn|Away is now known as Coburn
[0:41] <smallfoot-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers
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[0:42] * SS-Sleep is now known as SStrife
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[0:43] <KittyPaws> Going to be soldering some header onto a WRT54GL :D
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[0:44] <KittyPaws> oooooooh Viper-7
[0:44] <KittyPaws> thank goodness my distro doesn't has this! :D
[0:45] * KiltedPi (~Nbane@host-89-242-176-124.as13285.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[0:45] <Viper-7> heh
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[0:46] <KittyPaws> oooooh
[0:46] <KittyPaws> and I use minicom! :D
[0:46] * KittyPaws is all set already! :3
[0:46] <KittyPaws> Viper-7: Does the Raspberry Pi have a secondary UART interface like the WRT54GL? :o
[0:47] * KittyPaws has always been prepared
[0:47] <KittyPaws> it's always good to be prepared! :D
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[0:48] <KittyPaws> It's just...
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[0:49] <KittyPaws> I would like to have my netbook and WRT54GL hooked up to the pi via UART.
[0:49] * smallfoot- (~moo@unaffiliated/smallfoot-) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[0:49] <mgottschlag> no, the pi only has one uart
[0:49] <KittyPaws> :(
[0:49] <SStrife> the SoC might have two or mote uarts, but only one is exposed
[0:49] <mgottschlag> two different hardware blocks, but they interface the same output pins
[0:49] <KittyPaws> Does it have anything similar?! :o
[0:50] <SStrife> you could use a sort-uart on some of the other gpio pins
[0:50] <SStrife> bit-bang it
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[0:50] <mgottschlag> you could probably tunnel data through spi and a microcontroller as well, more reliable
[0:51] <KittyPaws> :o
[0:51] <SStrife> or a USB to serial adaptor even
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[0:51] <KittyPaws> I have a USB to UART adaptor coming
[0:51] <KittyPaws> :3
[0:51] <mgottschlag> bit-banging probably only will work at very low baud rates :)
[0:51] <SStrife> soft-uart, i meant earlier
[0:51] <SStrife> should get 9600 baud though? enough for a terminal
[0:51] <SStrife> i dont know what the performance is like in that respect
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[0:52] <KittyPaws> heyy KiltedPi :3
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[0:53] <mgottschlag> I actually use my router's uart as the primary way to connect to the pi, combined with switchable usb port for automatic reboot once something gets stuck :)
[0:53] <mgottschlag> but then I only work very low-level
[0:53] <KittyPaws> mgottschlag: :D
[0:53] <KittyPaws> but...
[0:53] <KittyPaws> I am trying to use my Pi...
[0:53] <KittyPaws> to gain access to a WRT54GL
[0:54] <mgottschlag> initially, I actually used the pi to load openwrt onto the router ^^
[0:54] <KittyPaws> just need to solder a couple of headers to the WRT54GL
[0:54] <KittyPaws> that's 4 headers btw
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[0:54] <KittyPaws> :o
[0:54] <KittyPaws> It has a JTAG and two UARTs
[0:54] <_pash> is there a way to find out the raspberry's ip address if it is using a shared ethernet cable from my laptop?
[0:55] <SStrife> my Pi is just a glorified AVR programmer these days...
[0:55] <SStrife> well, a networked AVR programmer :)
[0:55] <Mortvert> A networked AVR programmer that can play webcasts and HD movies
[0:55] <KittyPaws> the Pi feels like a mainframe from the 70s! :D
[0:55] <KittyPaws> with a vt100 frontend :3
[0:55] * KiltedPi^ (~Nbane@host-89-242-176-124.as13285.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[0:55] <KittyPaws> FEELS JUST LIKE IT!!!!!
[0:56] <KittyPaws> <3 uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu piiii
[0:56] <SStrife> thru ssh and vnc, i'm not watching many HD movies...
[0:56] * KittyPaws huggles Zoe
[0:56] * zproc (~zproc@laf31-6-82-241-3-109.fbx.proxad.net) Quit (Quit: zproc)
[0:56] <KittyPaws> Zoe is her Raspi
[0:56] <Mortvert> SStrife - you always can hook up a monitor to it
[0:57] <SStrife> I can, but it mainly lives on my workbench where there are plenty of other computers that can do that job
[0:57] <SStrife> like mu cubieboard...
[0:57] <SStrife> my*
[0:57] <_pash> is there a way to find out the raspberry's ip address if it is using a shared ethernet cable from my laptop?
[0:57] <applegekko> ip addr
[0:57] <SStrife> how do you mean "shared ethernet cable"
[0:57] <KittyPaws> _pash: type ifconfig on the pi
[0:58] <_pash> from ubuntu i share my wifi connection with an ethernet cable that is connected to my pi
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[0:58] <KittyPaws> KiltedPi^: heyy
[0:58] <_pash> KittyPaws: i cant ssh to it =) i need to fint its ip
[0:58] <SStrife> ah
[0:58] <KittyPaws> _pash: :/
[0:58] <SStrife> in that case, tcpdump
[0:58] <SStrife> and look for Pi's DHCP packets
[0:58] * thomashunter (~thomashun@ Quit (Quit: zZz)
[0:58] <SStrife> except maybe use ethereal instead of tcpdump
[0:59] <SStrife> or, wireshark, or whatever it's called now
[0:59] <KittyPaws> SStrife: Do you mean ettercap?
[0:59] * KiltedPi (~Nbane@host-89-242-176-124.as13285.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[0:59] <_pash> tcpdump: no suitable device found
[0:59] <Jayface> its called wireshark now
[0:59] <KittyPaws> nosuch thing as ethereal
[0:59] <SStrife> any of them are fine
[0:59] <Jayface> nmap?
[0:59] <Jayface> would probably work
[0:59] <chod> i was just about to type nmap also
[1:00] <SStrife> wireshark used to be called ethereal, KittyPaws
[1:00] <KittyPaws> oooooooh :3
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[1:00] <SStrife> _pash: sudo tcpdump, perhaps ;)
[1:00] <SStrife> not sure if you need root for these kinds of apps
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[1:01] <debenham> Try "avahi-resolve-host-name raspberrypi.local"
[1:01] * wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: I just broke my connection, but no worries, we can rebuild it. We have the technology.)
[1:01] <SStrife> or yeah, nmap as Jayface suggested, just sweep your subnet
[1:01] <debenham> if using raspbian avahi is setup and so that should tell you the ip of the pi
[1:01] <Jayface> but if you are passing it through your desktop to pass an internet connection to your device
[1:01] <KittyPaws> guys?
[1:01] <KittyPaws> neck RSI :(
[1:02] <Jayface> and you are using windows
[1:02] <Jayface> then they are probably sharing an ip address as far as your greater network is concerned
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[1:03] <_pash> how do i sweep my network with nmap?
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[1:04] <KittyPaws> There is something inbetween my legs :o
[1:04] <Jayface> dont remember and on my pi and fear booting a real browser on this thing
[1:04] <Jayface> is it your penis?
[1:04] <SStrife> i'll tell you shortly
[1:04] <KittyPaws> Jayface: I've done it already!
[1:04] * adb (~IonMoldov@ Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
[1:04] <KittyPaws> I'm a gal Jayface
[1:05] <KittyPaws> I ran chrome on my pi
[1:05] <KittyPaws> it isn't fast ofc...
[1:05] <KittyPaws> but it doesn't freeze up either
[1:05] <Jayface> nope its not
[1:05] <KittyPaws> just don't youtube or anything like that with it
[1:05] <SStrife> ok, great, apt-get install nmap...... 27MB of packages to download
[1:06] <Jayface> i throw up awesome as a gui then just use command line
[1:06] <Jayface> lol
[1:06] <debenham> did you try "avahi-resolve-host-name raspberrypi.local" ?
[1:06] <Jayface> oh well is it a vagina then
[1:06] <SStrife> different machine.
[1:06] <KittyPaws> Baby? Get off my keyboard! Stop stickin ur ass in my face! :/
[1:06] <KittyPaws> Baby is my kitty.
[1:06] <nemo> ah.
[1:06] <nemo> was gonna say
[1:06] <Jayface> lol you need a catrap
[1:07] <gordonDrogon> keep it family friendly, folks,
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[1:07] * Datalink-M (~Datalink@unaffiliated/datalink) Quit (Quit: Datalink offline)
[1:07] <Jayface> hahahaha
[1:07] * KiltedPi^ (~Nbane@host-89-242-176-124.as13285.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[1:07] <_pash> debenham: i am running arch on my pi
[1:07] <SStrife> nmap -v -sP
[1:07] <nemo> when our kid sticks their ass anywhere near our face, it's probably 'cause one of us is holding her wrong
[1:07] <Jayface> is that a real person or did you trigger a bot?
[1:07] * subv (subv@ool-44c5099b.dyn.optonline.net) Quit ()
[1:07] <SStrife> obviously change to match your network
[1:08] <KittyPaws> Jayface: me no bot :o
[1:08] <Jayface> lol i meant gordonDragon
[1:08] <Jayface> !help
[1:08] <Jayface> !rules
[1:08] <gordonDrogon> You appear to be beyond help.
[1:08] * g_r_eek (~g_r_eek@173-9-142-122-Miami.FL.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[1:09] <gordonDrogon> read the channel topic.
[1:09] <Jayface> yeah its a bot lol
[1:09] <KittyPaws> gordonDrogon: God put a smile on your face.
[1:09] <gordonDrogon> There is no god.
[1:09] <KittyPaws> Jayface: The devil removed your smile.
[1:09] <nemo> gordonDrogon: ?????????
[1:10] <Jayface> oh you
[1:10] <SStrife> gordonDrogon: What's different about your avrdude for gertboard?
[1:11] <KittyPaws> Jayface: I'm 1cm away from the router...
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[1:11] <KittyPaws> I'm getting 90% signal
[1:11] <SStrife> is it just avrdude.conf or are there other differences?
[1:11] * RaycisCharles (RaycisChar@cpc20-lutn10-2-0-cust20.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit ()
[1:11] <gordonDrogon> SStrife, it has a patch applied to it that allows it to use the Pi's GPIO as an ICSP programmer.
[1:11] <SStrife> ok
[1:11] <gordonDrogon> the conf has the gpio patch for the pins to use.
[1:12] <SStrife> ah
[1:12] <SStrife> so that change depends on some other changes you made
[1:12] <SStrife> gotcha. no problem, thanks. :)
[1:12] <gordonDrogon> SStrife, I just applied a patch that was on hte 'net ....
[1:12] <KittyPaws> Is the gertboard ESD sensative?
[1:12] <KittyPaws> I was thinking about getting one
[1:12] <KittyPaws> but i am scared
[1:12] <gordonDrogon> no more than the Pi is.
[1:12] <KittyPaws> I cased my pi because I knew it was a comp and it scared me.
[1:13] <KittyPaws> Are there cases for the gertboard? :o
[1:13] <SStrife> it's pretty rugged
[1:13] <KittyPaws> SStrife: Huh? :o
[1:13] <SStrife> gertboard
[1:13] <SStrife> it's all thru-hole components
[1:13] <KittyPaws> Jayface: I can't move my ankles
[1:13] <KittyPaws> :o
[1:14] <KittyPaws> SStrife: okies
[1:14] <SStrife> you'd have be deliberately trying to zap it,
[1:14] <KittyPaws> SStrife: What?!
[1:14] * _pash (~pash@host81-133-19-100.in-addr.btopenworld.com) Quit (Quit: WeeChat
[1:14] <SStrife> to cause damage, you would have to be going out of your way to do so.
[1:14] * Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
[1:15] * chod wanders about
[1:15] <SStrife> it's a fun board to experiment with
[1:15] <SStrife> if the buffered IO's are floating, you can make them come on by just touching the pins
[1:15] <KittyPaws> Not if you know you could be putting ESD into it!
[1:17] <SStrife> despite what you may have heard, it isn't that easy to kill stuff with ESD
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[1:17] <SStrife> some parts are more sensitive than others
[1:17] * grantsmith (~grantsmit@unaffiliated/grantsmith) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
[1:17] <SStrife> but you'd have to be pretty careless to actually do it.
[1:17] <Jayface> stay away from mc/chips of any kind
[1:17] <SStrife> take basic precautions and you'll be fine
[1:18] <Jayface> get one of those fashionable bracelets
[1:19] <SStrife> or just have a grounded surface nearby and touch it every now and then
[1:19] <KittyPaws> :o
[1:19] <KittyPaws> I <3 u
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[1:21] <Jayface> awwww
[1:21] <SStrife> um, cool! :)
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[1:22] <KittyPaws> :3
[1:23] <KittyPaws> What I want to know is...
[1:23] * Ose (~chatzilla@wikia/vstf/Ose) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[1:23] <KittyPaws> there are holes which look like they're missing a header
[1:23] <KittyPaws> on the raspberry pi
[1:23] <KittyPaws> what are they for? :o
[1:23] <Jayface> and the funny thing is
[1:23] <Jayface> some of the gen 1 boards had headers
[1:23] <Jayface> for some
[1:24] <Jayface> like p2
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[1:24] <gordonDrogon> yes there are some headers missing from the Rev 2 board. You need to solder them in if you want to use them.
[1:24] <Jayface> i assume its player 2
[1:24] <KittyPaws> gordonDrogon: What are they for tho?! :o
[1:25] <KittyPaws> Is one of em a secondary UART?! :D
[1:25] <SStrife> they are both JTAG
[1:25] <KittyPaws> :(
[1:25] <SStrife> one is for the GPU, one is for the LAN chip
[1:25] <KittyPaws> so JTAG isn't a part of the GPIO header?
[1:26] <gordonDrogon> J5 has 4 additional GPIO pins.
[1:26] <KittyPaws> oooooh
[1:26] <Viper-7> P5 next to the main IO header are just extra IO pins
[1:26] <KittyPaws> my neck :(
[1:26] <KittyPaws> RSI in neck :(
[1:26] <Viper-7> only there on rev2 iirc
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[1:26] <KittyPaws> I have the rev2
[1:27] <SStrife> ah, mine doesn't have J5, it's a launch model :-/
[1:27] <SStrife> both of them, in fact
[1:27] <Jayface> i kept getting janky boards so i have 3 rev2's and 1 rev1
[1:27] <gordonDrogon> The Rev 1's donw.
[1:27] <gordonDrogon> don't.
[1:27] <KittyPaws> Jayface: What do u mean by janky? hun
[1:27] <KittyPaws> :o
[1:28] <Jayface> they kept being really heat sensitive
[1:28] <KittyPaws> :(
[1:28] <Jayface> and would shut off constantly
[1:28] <DeliriumTremens> something is taking up large amounts of CPU
[1:28] <DeliriumTremens> and it's not showing in htop
[1:28] <KittyPaws> DeliriumTremens: :/
[1:28] <KittyPaws> that's probs
[1:28] <KittyPaws> my inbetweener
[1:28] <KittyPaws> okies
[1:28] * DeliriumTremens restarts it
[1:28] <Mortvert> DeliriumTremens - not even with sudo? :3
[1:29] <KittyPaws> Who's watched the inbetweeners?! :o
[1:29] <DeliriumTremens> not even with sudo
[1:29] <Jayface> lol
[1:29] <Viper-7> P5 = GPIO 28-31, or I2C-0 (I2C-1 is exposed on the main header) + CTS/RTS for the UART, or I2S audio
[1:29] <KittyPaws> Jayface: Do u have any non-janky boards so far? :o
[1:30] <Jayface> jah
[1:30] <KittyPaws> Jayface: :D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[1:30] <KittyPaws> :3
[1:30] <Jayface> my rev1 board had no probs
[1:30] <KittyPaws> Ur PM function no worky Jayface :(
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[1:30] <Jayface> and my 3rd board of rev2 was fine
[1:30] <KittyPaws> :D
[1:31] <KittyPaws> !!!!!
[1:31] <Jayface> they wre all chinese but i dont know if thats makes any difference
[1:31] <KittyPaws> My neck :(
[1:31] <KittyPaws> :'(
[1:31] <KittyPaws> Jayface: nope
[1:31] <KittyPaws> mine is made in china
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[1:32] <KittyPaws> it isn't heat sensative either
[1:32] <Jayface> i once read a thread that the british ones were better built but i dont see how
[1:32] <KittyPaws> China are cheap
[1:32] <Jayface> yes but they have far more experience building electronics
[1:32] <KittyPaws> Jayface: There are however two rev2's
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[1:32] <KittyPaws> You should look at the Audio jack socket
[1:33] <KittyPaws> sometimes it's blue...
[1:33] <KittyPaws> sometimes it's not
[1:33] <Jayface> how do you tell which rev2 you have
[1:33] <Jayface> mines black
[1:33] <KittyPaws> mines blue
[1:33] <Jayface> 1 sec
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[1:33] <Jayface> on all four boards
[1:34] <KittyPaws> black?
[1:34] <KittyPaws> told you
[1:34] <KittyPaws> there are two
[1:34] <Jayface> blackjack
[1:34] <Jayface> thats how you tell. got it
[1:34] <KittyPaws> Now to show you what they both look like
[1:34] <KittyPaws> Jayface: sometimes the RCA isn't yellow
[1:34] <KittyPaws> but black
[1:35] <Jayface> that would be a trip yo
[1:35] <Viper-7> i have a BS1245, very new board, but it has 256mb ram and a rev1 core :P
[1:35] <Viper-7> determining the version is basically pot luck
[1:35] <Jayface> thats a little weird
[1:35] <Viper-7> http://elinux.org/RaspberryPi_Boards
[1:36] <KittyPaws> Yep
[1:36] <KittyPaws> they're all different
[1:36] <KittyPaws> I noticed different components that do the same thing look different
[1:36] <Jayface> wow how many production lines do they have
[1:37] <Jayface> yes in terms of electronic components
[1:37] <KittyPaws> and I was like... O.o
[1:37] <KittyPaws> but the components don't work any different
[1:37] <KittyPaws> but they can be dumber than others
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[1:38] <Jayface> dumber?
[1:38] <KittyPaws> Jayface: sometimes...
[1:38] <Jayface> lol
[1:38] <KittyPaws> the components can be a bit faulty
[1:38] <KittyPaws> but that's based on the component type
[1:38] <KittyPaws> not type
[1:38] <KittyPaws> I mea
[1:39] <KittyPaws> er can't explain :/
[1:39] <KittyPaws> Your 2 boards that are heat sensative explains it well
[1:41] <SStrife> the heat issue is a design problem
[1:41] <KittyPaws> Jayface: You can buy heatsinks
[1:41] <KittyPaws> 1min...
[1:41] <SStrife> there's a pin on the LAN chip that is connected ti Pi's 3v3 rail, that shouldn't be
[1:41] <Jayface> how so? the package on the soc?
[1:41] <SStrife> to*
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[1:41] <Jayface> huh
[1:41] <gordonDrogon> a mistake on the Rev 1's.
[1:41] <Viper-7> the lan chip has a builtin 3.3v regulator
[1:42] <KittyPaws> Jayface: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Heatsink-For-The-Raspberry-Pi/dp/B009A8ATOK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1361407309&sr=8-1
[1:42] <Viper-7> on rev1 pi`s they supplied 3.3v from the pi`s regulator to this pin
[1:42] <Jayface> well that should be easy to fix with a soldering irom
[1:42] <Viper-7> so the lan chip kinda backpowers the pi, and yeah, causes excess heat
[1:42] <gordonDrogon> it's a buried pin. You'll not fix it easilly.
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[1:43] <Jayface> is it true that the pi boards have eight layers?
[1:44] <gordonDrogon> 6
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[1:44] <KittyPaws> burried pin?
[1:44] <KittyPaws> I've been messing
[1:44] <KittyPaws> trying to hook a TX line to a chip
[1:44] <Jayface> between too layers on the board
[1:45] <KittyPaws> so the TX line has access to the CPU within the chip
[1:45] <Jayface> which chip?
[1:45] <KittyPaws> the soldering iron overheated...
[1:45] <KittyPaws> and SHIT!
[1:45] <KittyPaws> it turned the copper black :/
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[1:45] <Jayface> d d d d damn
[1:45] <KittyPaws> now I need to do a cleanup on the damn board
[1:45] <KittyPaws> Jayface: This was being performed on a router
[1:45] <gordonDrogon> cleanup your language too.
[1:45] <Jayface> there goes that bot again
[1:45] <KittyPaws> which doesn't have a proper UART
[1:46] <Jayface> oh jah
[1:46] <gordonDrogon> Jayface, not a bot.
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[1:46] <KittyPaws> Jayface: I'd only perform it on a raspi if it got very old.
[1:46] <KittyPaws> also...
[1:46] <KittyPaws> there is no reason to perform it
[1:47] <KittyPaws> the TX line already has CPU access.
[1:47] <Jayface> T T T True
[1:48] <Jayface> what kind of soldering iron are you rocking
[1:48] <Jayface> ?
[1:48] <KittyPaws> idk the wattage
[1:48] <KittyPaws> I'd done things like...
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[1:48] <KittyPaws> lift off chips and solder on chips
[1:48] <KittyPaws> too
[1:49] <KittyPaws> You can make a fool of yourself while doing it and make a complete mess :/
[1:49] <Jayface> good enough for the girls i go wirh
[1:49] <KittyPaws> takes a lot of heat if the chips have been there for a while
[1:49] * ukgamer is now known as ukgamer|away
[1:49] <SStrife> a hot air station is better for that kind of thing
[1:50] <KittyPaws> and you've got to touch the pins with the tiniest bit of solder possible
[1:50] <SStrife> there is a great sub-$50 one on eBay from atten
[1:50] <SStrife> chinese brand
[1:50] <KittyPaws> it is too easy to get solder over two or three pins
[1:50] <SStrife> but great
[1:50] <KittyPaws> well...
[1:50] <KittyPaws> leads
[1:50] <SStrife> that'w why you use hot air ;)
[1:50] <SStrife> that's*
[1:50] <KittyPaws> SStrife: Yep
[1:50] <gordonDrogon> I did a soldering video a while back.
[1:51] <KittyPaws> Jayface: It's probs possible to upgrade the RAM on a raspberry pi.
[1:51] <KittyPaws> and upgrading the RAM on a router.
[1:51] <KittyPaws> OMFG!
[1:51] <KittyPaws> bloody annoying
[1:52] <gordonDrogon> so's our language on this family friendly channel )-:
[1:52] <KittyPaws> I don't class "bloody" as swearing.
[1:52] <KittyPaws> oh
[1:52] <KittyPaws> woopsies sorry for the F
[1:52] <KittyPaws> minus the F
[1:53] <KittyPaws> *omg
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[1:53] <Jayface> it is in britania
[1:53] <KittyPaws> what?
[1:53] <Jayface> britainia
[1:53] <Jayface> where the pi was devved
[1:53] <KittyPaws> gordonDrogon: No rly I am sorry.
[1:53] <gladier> its part of the daily vernacular in australia
[1:53] <Jayface> hahaha
[1:54] <SStrife> i would limit myself to "gosh darn"
[1:54] <Jayface> well you guys are upsidedown all the time i forgive you for any foul langauge
[1:54] <SStrife> "dag nabbit"
[1:54] <SStrife> so forth
[1:54] <Jayface> shucky darn
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[1:54] <KittyPaws> I will tell you truthfully that my foul language comes from soldering and cooking.
[1:54] <KittyPaws> I will explain why too
[1:54] <gordonDrogon> please don't.
[1:54] <KittyPaws> you burn yourself you automatically shout a swear word haha
[1:55] <SStrife> Fire hot... Mm yes, fire indeed hot.
[1:55] <Jayface> lol i believe its lead poisoning
[1:55] <gordonDrogon> shout yes, type - no - that's a concious decision.
[1:55] <Jayface> hahaha
[1:55] * piney thought it was the solder fumes
[1:55] <Torikun> yo
[1:55] <gladier> RoHS = no lead and tin shiskers
[1:55] <KittyPaws> pronto: Ever breathed those in?
[1:55] <gladier> whiskers*
[1:55] <KittyPaws> er...
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[1:55] <KittyPaws> I meant piney
[1:56] <KittyPaws> ever breathed those in?
[1:56] <piney> yep, hard to avoid
[1:56] <KittyPaws> I found it quite easy.
[1:56] <KittyPaws> but I have accidentally breathed them in
[1:56] <KittyPaws> uncomfortable :(
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[1:56] <Jayface> you do even if you dont think so
[1:56] <KittyPaws> Jayface: If you wear a mask
[1:57] <Jayface> ah
[1:57] <KittyPaws> it's hard to breath em in!
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[1:57] <Jayface> well in that case
[1:57] <Jayface> thats really the way to go
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[1:57] <KittyPaws> I'm already infertile
[1:57] <KittyPaws> don't want to be anymore unfunctional
[1:57] <KittyPaws> Goggles is a MUST tho
[1:57] <Jayface> because lead free solder is too finicky to ever use
[1:57] <SStrife> overshare.
[1:58] <Jayface> lol
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[1:58] <KittyPaws> If you don't wear goggles when soldering then you are a complete fool.
[1:58] <KittyPaws> Solder can splatter at any time even if you think you're careful enough
[1:58] <Jayface> goggles, not only do you look cool, they protect your eyes
[1:58] <KittyPaws> and I am only saying this to protect you
[1:59] <KittyPaws> I know that if you don't wanna wear goggles you wont take in this advice
[1:59] <gordonDrogon> I've been soldering for over 35 years - if you splatter it then you're pretty inept and should consider giving up.
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[1:59] <Jayface> lol i second this
[1:59] <Jayface> never seen it
[1:59] <KittyPaws> as a girl people have told me I look sexy while soldering with all the gear on. lol
[2:00] <Torikun> lol
[2:00] <Jayface> lol
[2:00] <KittyPaws> guys mainly
[2:00] <Jayface> i believe it
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[2:00] <KittyPaws> I've had the odd girl tell me that too
[2:00] <Jayface> lol ive had the odd girl tell me my nixie is sexy
[2:00] <KittyPaws> :D
[2:01] <KittyPaws> but guys
[2:01] <KittyPaws> ?
[2:01] <KittyPaws> I gotta brb cause I kicked over a glass of vodka :/
[2:01] <Torikun> abuse!
[2:01] <Torikun> kick him from channel!
[2:01] <Torikun> lol
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[2:02] <KittyPaws> okay back
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[2:04] <Jayface> hahaha
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[2:04] <KittyPaws> Yeah all over my computer
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[2:04] <Jayface> these big clumsy breast
[2:04] <Jayface> s
[2:04] <KittyPaws> lol
[2:04] <KittyPaws> more like...
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[2:05] <KittyPaws> these tiny breasts
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[2:05] <SStrife> saw that coming...
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[2:09] <gordonDrogon> Hmph.
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[2:15] <KittyPaws> gordonDrogon: /mode gordonDrogon -o
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[2:18] <Zopiac> Anyone know what the best supported Android image is?
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[2:20] <chupacabra> what is the most popular os download besides Raspbian?
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[2:20] <DeliriumTremens> arch maybe?
[2:21] <ShiftPlusOne> I am going to guess arch, but don't know.
[2:21] <DeliriumTremens> i really have no idea
[2:21] <DeliriumTremens> ^5 ShiftPlusOne
[2:22] <chupacabra> just got my first and trying to decide.
[2:22] <ShiftPlusOne> What do you normally use on your pc?
[2:23] <chupacabra> mostly Fedora but Slack now. have used em all and hate debian based stuff
[2:23] <ShiftPlusOne> well, fedora and slack are both available for a pi, I think. (not too sure about slackware)
[2:24] <ShiftPlusOne> though they are not recommended
[2:24] <DeliriumTremens> debian is pretty laid-back
[2:24] <chupacabra> why does everyone push raspbian
[2:24] <DeliriumTremens> i dont mind it
[2:25] <DeliriumTremens> it's getting things done that i want to get done
[2:25] <ShiftPlusOne> because it's compiled especially for the pi and has the most work put into it
[2:25] <Zopiac> Because it was the first majorly supported OS designed strictly for Pi
[2:25] <chupacabra> i mean why not recommended?
[2:25] <DeliriumTremens> and it's either user friendly, or i'm just getting a lot more comfortable with linux
[2:25] <Zopiac> I have CentOS and Fedora at my workplace and have been turned off from YUM by them...
[2:25] <ShiftPlusOne> the debian folks didn't do anything to support the pi, fedora has a lot of problems, though a lot of work was put into it, arch is seen as too much for newcomers.... so that leaves raspbian.
[2:25] <DeliriumTremens> i had been using Salix (slack based) for a long time
[2:26] <DeliriumTremens> then i pulled that box because i didnt have room
[2:26] <chupacabra> i been doing embedded lots of years and its always been hard
[2:26] <DeliriumTremens> replaced it with a storage server running ubuntu headless
[2:26] <DeliriumTremens> sitting on a gentoo laptop right now
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[2:26] <chupacabra> arch is too much hmmmm
[2:26] <DeliriumTremens> and two pi's, raspbmc and raspbian
[2:26] <Zopiac> I have yet to grab gentoo
[2:26] <DeliriumTremens> gentoo on this laptop was a pain in the butt
[2:27] <DeliriumTremens> a notorious wireless card
[2:27] <DeliriumTremens> (bcm4812)
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[2:27] <chupacabra> whats raspbmc
[2:27] <DeliriumTremens> raspbmc is raspbian, but specifically designed and minimalized around XBMC
[2:27] <ShiftPlusOne> one of the xbmc distros
[2:27] <ShiftPlusOne> don't they deny that it's built on raspbian?
[2:27] <chupacabra> and xbmc is a media player?
[2:27] <DeliriumTremens> anymore raspbmc, openelec, and xbian are all decent options
[2:28] <ShiftPlusOne> xbmc is a media centre thing
[2:28] <DeliriumTremens> ??\_(???)_/??
[2:28] <Zopiac> I've run OpenELEC but haven't even found a way to get to command line ._.
[2:28] <DeliriumTremens> hah
[2:28] <DeliriumTremens> no ssh?
[2:29] <ShiftPlusOne> there's a way to enable ssh, but forget about the command line
[2:29] <Zopiac> I like it for videos on the Pi except it stutters when you put subtitles on top of a 1080p video
[2:29] <ShiftPlusOne> it's all read only apart from the storage partition
[2:29] <chupacabra> why forget command line?
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[2:29] <ShiftPlusOne> openelec isn't designed with the command line in mind
[2:30] <DeliriumTremens> if i get this BBS running strictly inside of DOS i might not have to isolate it on my network
[2:30] <chupacabra> oh ok. i can see that. never even heard of that.
[2:30] <Zopiac> take away my terminal and I am nothing :<
[2:30] <ShiftPlusOne> it's basically useless there
[2:30] <Zopiac> I just wish it did subtitles well
[2:30] <ShiftPlusOne> I am only saying that because of the read only rootfs thing
[2:31] <Zopiac> of course
[2:31] <chupacabra> Im gonna do Fedora first I guess. or slackware. whichever downloads first
[2:31] <Zopiac> I'm trying to get Android right now but I'm not sure which one is the most stable as of right now
[2:31] <ShiftPlusOne> good luck with fedora
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[2:32] <ShiftPlusOne> if you want a stable, polished os raspbian is the way to go though (imho)
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[2:34] <chupacabra> ShiftPlusOne, raspbien have lots of AV apps?
[2:35] <Zopiac> define AV app
[2:35] <ShiftPlusOne> +!
[2:35] <ShiftPlusOne> +1 even
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[2:38] <montgoej> has anyone seen an issue with wrong colors on HDMI in raspbian? I am seeing http://imgur.com/sdJR5jT,Ebgw75l
[2:38] <malcom2073> montgoej: Mine did that the one time I actually got it working, never got HDMI working again afterwards :/
[2:39] <malcom2073> That being said, maybe it's just a wrong setting
[2:39] <pa1983_> TP1 and TP2 are conencted directly to 5V usb srouces rigth?
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[2:39] <ShiftPlusOne> pa1983_, yes, but I'd double check with the schematics.
[2:41] <pa1983_> I got 4.64V with a 2.1 dektaco charger and 4.9V with a 2A Nexcus 7 charger
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[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> going out on a limb here, but I suspect you might want to use the nexus one
[2:42] <pa1983_> I got the problem that my Vlan dongle stops responding and requiers reboot, modprobe -r and modprobe 8192cu fins the dongle but its imposible to connect again. Sense I use gentoo and hav set up the init script my self I know it shuld work
[2:42] <pa1983_> Reciving is usualy not a problem but I can stress it to failure with Tx and Rx at the same time. Rigth now with the Nexus one it seems stable
[2:42] <pa1983_> doing a loop transfire to and from the filserver at the same time
[2:43] <pa1983_> *wlan
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[2:44] <pa1983_> if the main polyfuse where tripping I would expect the raspberry pi to crash, kernel panic etc
[2:44] <pa1983_> IR temprature sensor say the polyfuse are 35C so not realy hot
[2:45] <pa1983_> well now the network went down with the nexus one to :(
[2:45] <necr0tik> Anyone know how to fix the usb resetting after about 2-3 minutes of being on, two-three times before dieing completely? BS1238 pi. Checked tp1-tp2 on 5+ power sources. Im using the stable one atm with highest amps ( 2.1a max port ). Poly is fine.
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[2:53] <pa1983_> necr0tik, any one else with that problem. I run my usb ports at 1.1 becuse keyaboard keeps geting sticky keas
[2:53] <necr0tik> I've tried throttling the usb, no dice. I don't even have to use the USB ( besides the integrated lan ) for it to happen.
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[2:56] <pa1983_> well I suspect the usb is the problem for me to.
[2:56] <pa1983_> when pinging during tranfire I get from 40ms to 3000ms
[2:56] <montgoej> I don't think the wrong colors issue is an incorrect setting. The only setting in my config.txt is config_hdmi_boost=4 from a troubleshooting guide I found but that didn't seem to change anything. Pi is running fine still though, even under a bit of load, just wrong colors
[2:57] <pa1983_> sens I use 54mbit vlan and 150mbit dongle I shuld not see so high latencys with 12Mbit usb unless its the usb causing the latency and maybe even the drivers for the dongle to go nuts. From waht I get about the sticky key problem I have is that the pi drops hid usb packages due to to high latency before the cpu responds
[2:58] <pa1983_> I suspect somthing similar sense enoug power and voltage is within usb 2.0 stanadards with margin.
[2:58] <pa1983_> montgoej, there is an alpha option. Ahave you tryed that?
[2:59] <montgoej> what's the alpha option?
[2:59] <pa1983_> must find the wiki first
[2:59] <pa1983_> I set it when I decided to use 32bit colors our you get the wrong colors they say
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[3:00] <pa1983_> montgoej, framebuffer_depth console framebuffer depth in bits per pixel. Default is 16. 8bit is valid, but default RGB palette makes an unreadable screen. 24bit looks better but has corruption issues as of 20120615. 32bit has no corruption issues but needs framebuffer_ignore_alpha=1 and shows the wrong colors as of 20120615.
[3:00] <pa1983_> go to "http://elinux.org/RPiconfig"
[3:01] <montgoej> hmm ok
[3:01] <pa1983_> I use 32bit and framebuffer_ignore_alpha=1 and that works fine jsut liek default 16bit
[3:01] <montgoej> ok
[3:01] <montgoej> I'll give that a shot
[3:01] <montgoej> thanks
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[3:01] <pa1983_> there are more options on that page that migth solve it for you
[3:01] <jcath> hi, friends.
[3:02] <pa1983_> if you read that wiki page you see some intresting options
[3:02] <montgoej> ok
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[3:03] <chupacabra> can one power the pi using a usb cable plugged into a laptop?
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[3:08] <pa1983_> necr0tik, I just ran minecraft pi and top so see cpu use and also mesure my voltage, droped another 0.1V but still with in USB 2.0 specs. And transfire is still going strong with latency being all over the place tough
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[3:08] <pa1983_> ither I have a wlan driver isseu or its another usb issue for me
[3:08] <necr0tik> pa1983_, I don't think our issues are related?
[3:08] <pa1983_> necr0tik, depends I supose
[3:09] <montgoej> pa1983_ still no luck with the colors. Going to try messing around with the various settings in that wiki some more. TRied a different HDMI cable and different port on the monitor too
[3:09] <pa1983_> necr0tik, sens they figure they could fix the keyboard issue with a kernel update and lower the latency
[3:09] <necr0tik> My device powered + LAN. Boots for 1-2 minutes. LAN lights go out. Relight, out again, sometimes one more time but usually the USB just dies at that point and stops coming up till power cycle.
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[3:09] <necr0tik> Someone with a bs1238 on elinux mentioned in the manufacture code page they had the same issue, same model.
[3:09] <pa1983_> necr0tik, what OS are you running?
[3:10] <necr0tik> I've tried raspi and raspbian
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[3:10] <pa1983_> hum
[3:10] <pa1983_> necr0tik, anoying problem for you. My vlan on usb can work 5 days or stop responding 3 times in an hour and I cant find the fault
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[3:11] <montgoej> I think this might be a hw issue. Even the color screen on startup doesn't display the color blue at all
[3:11] <pa1983_> montgoej, I specifyed resulution and that I did not want audio tourgh hdmi before my first boot. Migth try manualy setting all comon options
[3:12] <pa1983_> montgoej, tryed another screen?
[3:12] <Ben64> where can i get some 3d demos i can run from the command line to show the awesome graphics
[3:12] <montgoej> havent tried another screen yet, but this one is working fine with the other devices connected to it. Don't have another screen around the house to test with
[3:12] <pa1983_> I dont know what quality the pi is. Mine died after 5 days and refused to poost at ALL for over 5 minutes. after that it has magicaly worked again
[3:13] <pa1983_> montgoej, hard to say then if its jsut the pi that get som info wrong from the screen or if its broken
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[3:15] <oconnore> hi, I just booted a raspberry pi into LXDE, and only have a keyboard
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[3:15] <oconnore> how can I do anything?
[3:16] <oconnore> like, terminal? alt-f2? run program? open the menu?
[3:17] <oconnore> windows key doesn't work
[3:17] <oconnore> i can ctrl+alt+del into the task manager, but i can't launch anything else from that
[3:17] <montgoej> if you want to get to straight command line ctrl+alt+f1 will take you to just command line, ctrl+alt+f7 takes you back
[3:19] <pa1983_> ctrl + alt + Fn shuld take you to a console
[3:19] <pa1983_> try F1
[3:19] <pa1983_> google and see if there is any mouse emulation trough keyboard for raspbian
[3:19] <ShiftPlusOne> There's also mouse emulation using the keypad, but I don't remember what you need to press to enable that
[3:19] <pa1983_> migth be able to use numpad
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[3:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ... >=/
[3:19] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, :P
[3:19] <oconnore> ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't work.
[3:20] <oconnore> i don't have an fn key
[3:20] <pa1983_> fn is F1-F12
[3:20] <oconnore> oh
[3:20] <pa1983_> n for variable
[3:20] <oconnore> well, I did ctrl+alt+f# for 1-12, nothing
[3:20] <pa1983_> google for mouse emulation + numpad + raspbian
[3:20] <pa1983_> see if that gives you a hint
[3:20] <pa1983_> what I would do
[3:20] <pa1983_> My pi makes me mad
[3:21] <pa1983_> Any one know how hot those polyfuses can be befor they start limiting current?
[3:21] <oconnore> this is silly, like any other distro has alt+f2 :P
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[3:21] <oconnore> but a distro for an embedded device? you need a mouse!
[3:21] <pa1983_> My ses 38C with IR sensor but I think that heat is mosly from a mosfet or transistor above that reads 40C on the other side of the PCB
[3:21] <ShiftPlusOne> oconnore, you're jumping to conclusions there
[3:23] <oconnore> ShiftPlusOne: about it being possible, not about it being easy. but yes, sorry, I will pipe down.
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[3:23] <ShiftPlusOne> this is definitely raspbian you're using?
[3:24] <ShiftPlusOne> ctrl-alt-Fn should work. I know it has worked for me in the past.
[3:24] <pa1983_> for some reason I can get Ip with both usb chargers now
[3:25] <ShiftPlusOne> also, X doesn't start unless you configure it to start
[3:25] <pa1983_> mus be som problem with the driver or the pi....
[3:25] <oconnore> ShiftPlusOne: it's the hard float version from http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[3:25] <pa1983_> is there some know issue with the 8192cu driver and raspberry pi?
[3:25] <ShiftPlusOne> you could search the issues on github
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[3:29] <oconnore> ShiftPlusOne: I found a usb hub in the bottom of my closet. Disaster averted. But I stick to my "this is silly" opinion.
[3:29] <oconnore> thanks for your help
[3:30] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, runin minecraft pi realy stressed the pi but still it held out longer then any test befor so power seems to be a none issue but I will see if I can feed it form on of the usb ports instead se if I still can trigger it then. If so Its deffenetly not a power issue
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[3:31] <ShiftPlusOne> btw measuring the voltage across the polyfuse is a better way to tell how much of a factor it's playing than using IR
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[3:34] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, yea sounds like a plan
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[3:34] <ShiftPlusOne> I think you should post on the forum instead. Make sure you mention that your power is fine.
[3:37] <ShiftPlusOne> though people who have no clue tend to reply the most, so I don't know
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[3:39] <Torikun> I just installed raspbian and I can not login, default username and password not working
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[3:40] <Torikun> nm figured it out
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[3:41] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, so fare around 145mV
[3:41] <ShiftPlusOne> seems fine to me
[3:42] <pa1983_> but even with the lousy deltaco and minecraft pi running thats just at the 4.4V limit but with the nexus 7 one it would be at 4.8V so and it fails with that one to
[3:43] <pa1983_> with the nexus 7 one I would need 530mw to go below the limit of usb 2.0 standard
[3:43] <ShiftPlusOne> 4.8 is a bit sketchy still. 4.4 is terrible and minecraft working is not really an indicator of anything.
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[3:43] <pa1983_> run minecraft to increas the power draw
[3:43] <pa1983_> figure it would trip more esaly
[3:44] <ShiftPlusOne> usb devices and ethernet are the way to increase more power
[3:44] <pa1983_> Nexus 7 one reads 4.92V at PT1 and PT2
[3:44] <ShiftPlusOne> "increase more power"? wth brain?
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[3:44] <pa1983_> well the GPU shuld draw a bit more that what was I figured
[3:44] <pa1983_> sens its normaly not used
[3:45] <pa1983_> I get 4.65V from the deltaco one with minecraft off and 4.56V with it on when using the wlan constinously
[3:46] <pa1983_> but as I sad the nexus 7 with its 4.93V makes no differnece the problem remains just as randomly as befor
[3:46] <ShiftPlusOne> so... to the forum and/or github then =D
[3:46] <Viper-7> pa1983_: doesnt matter if it seems the same or not, any tests performed when you know the voltage is that far out of spec are useless
[3:47] <pa1983_> usb 2.0 ses minim 4.4V
[3:47] <pa1983_> so spec or not its with in sad toleranse
[3:47] <Viper-7> pi doesnt communicate for extra current
[3:47] <Viper-7> so its already out of spec
[3:48] <pa1983_> and the nexus 7 is with in 98.6% of sad tolerance
[3:48] <pa1983_> well it always seems to come back to a bad desing this pi
[3:49] <Viper-7> the micro-usb power connector on the pi is not real USB, its just a power jack, http://www.gsma.com/publicpolicy/universal-charging-solution/
[3:49] <pa1983_> ever sense I got it theres just more and more out of spec stuff Im being told and that I find
[3:49] <Viper-7> sure, just look at the analog audio dodgyness
[3:50] <pa1983_> I know its a chardger not a "PSU" and unregulated
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[3:50] <pa1983_> seems liek a crapy sulition if its such a big problem for the end users
[3:50] <Viper-7> the pi wasnt built to be perfect, it was made mostly for education purposes, where students would play with its features on the most rudimentary of levels
[3:51] <Viper-7> 4.93V should be fine
[3:51] <pa1983_> fun learning that shit dont work :P
[3:51] <ShiftPlusOne> originally the pi was designed to use a barrel jack and have it's own regulator on the board for 6-12v input or something like that.
[3:51] <Viper-7> im just saying dont bother posting tests when you`re at 4.56V
[3:51] <Viper-7> even if it seems the same
[3:51] <pa1983_> well I have the same problem with 4.93V
[3:51] <pa1983_> thats what Im sayng
[3:51] <Viper-7> ok, so test at 4.93V, reproduce it, and post details on the forums
[3:52] <pa1983_> Tryed two diffrent chardgers same problem diffrent voltage
[3:52] <ShiftPlusOne> then due to feedback from the community and people saying that phone chargers are just all over the place and that usb connectors are the future... they were persuaded to switch to the phone charger thing.
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[3:52] <Viper-7> ive used many different chargers, and regular PC usb ports, and never had my pi crash or fail in any way due to lack of power
[3:52] <pa1983_> I realy dont care if they bundled a chardger. I still had to get another one sense I use all others for phones and tablets :P
[3:52] <piney> typically, customers don't know what they want
[3:53] <Viper-7> so its probably an issue with your pi, and likely means you need to get it fixed / replaced
[3:53] <pa1983_> I rather have them bundle a proper PSU for the same money
[3:53] <Viper-7> but performing tests at 4.56V is _useless_
[3:53] <Viper-7> do them again at 4.93V then talk
[3:53] <pa1983_> Viper-7, I did at 4.93V and same problem
[3:53] <pa1983_> network dies
[3:53] <Viper-7> so do it again, and post details of that on the forums
[3:53] <ShiftPlusOne> I forget what the original issue is, but it sounds more like a usb stack issue... in which case... github.
[3:53] <Viper-7> dmesg and such
[3:53] <ShiftPlusOne> we can't help with that.
[3:53] <pa1983_> wlan dongle that is
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[3:54] <pa1983_> Yea Im starting to think its more usb related sens I have the sticky key issue to
[3:54] <pa1983_> had to run usb 1.1
[3:54] <Viper-7> pa1983_: just because the problem seems the same to you, doesnt mean its failing in exactly the same way under the hood
[3:54] <pa1983_> so was not of to the best of starts. But there working on a patched kernel so maby that solvs my wlan dingle to
[3:55] <pa1983_> Viper-7, no but Im no guru so how do you figure I test it?
[3:55] <ShiftPlusOne> did you run rpi-update recently?
[3:55] <pa1983_> no I use gentoo so I pulled latest firmware from git monday last week
[3:55] <pa1983_> kernel and modules
[3:55] <ShiftPlusOne> ah right, forgot you're the gentoo guy
[3:55] <Viper-7> pa1983_: run on a stable power supply, reproduce the issue, run:
[3:55] <pa1983_> Figure I wait untill that "usb" issue they where fixing was solved then pull it from git again
[3:55] <Viper-7> dmesg | tail -n 100 > log.txt
[3:55] <Viper-7> post log.txt to the forums
[3:56] <Viper-7> along with a full description and measured voltages during the test
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[3:57] <pa1983_> well I have goten so fare that it works to restart net.wlan0 initscript and it eventualy gets connected and gets it static Ip again
[3:57] <pa1983_> and gets connection back
[3:57] <Viper-7> dmesg will mention why it got disconnected
[3:57] <pa1983_> but I have one latop, ubuntu, two nexus 7 and X numbers of phone running of my gentoo router and it has worked for years so Im pretty sure the router is not at fault
[3:57] <pa1983_> Viper-7, yea will check as soon as it fails again
[3:58] <pa1983_> doing more test as we speak
[3:59] <Viper-7> :< @ http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/260
[3:59] <Viper-7> onboard switching wouldve been so much nicer
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[4:00] <Viper-7> i`d have pushed for more, make the front line buck-boost, allow the pi to run from anything, 0.5 - 30V :P
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[4:00] <Viper-7> then these such issues simply dont exist
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[4:33] <SpeedEvil> Viper-7: and add $5ish to the cost
[4:34] <Viper-7> throw in a real analog audio interface and you`ve got a deal :P
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[4:38] <NESIT> is there anyway to turn off pins if python code crashes
[4:38] <NESIT> kind of like KeyboardInterrupt
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[4:41] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, I went trough my routers log again and found an interesting anomaly that only happens to the pi. did som googling and I think CCMP migth be the problem. Removing that and using TKIP ony migth solv it
[4:41] <pa1983_> so if that works it migth be a driver issue
[4:41] <pa1983_> better that then hardware if it can be fixed :P
[4:41] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the chipset again?
[4:42] <pa1983_> on second
[4:42] <pa1983_> RTL8188CUS
[4:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I have similar problems on my desktop, different chipset though
[4:42] <ShiftPlusOne> might just be a driver thing as you said
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[4:43] <pa1983_> well people having this problem had diffrent chip to but the comon thing for those that solved it was disabeling CCMP so I tryed that now. see if it trips again
[4:43] <pa1983_> I hope that works, would be lovely
[4:43] <pa1983_> I suck at wireless :P Was a pain to set up my linux wlan accesspoint :
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[4:44] <pa1983_> but everything is suppose to be wireless to day. If I was allowed to make a hole it the wall the pi would have a wire to :P
[4:44] <pa1983_> not like I dont have 16 ports free in my switch
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[4:46] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, thats odd. I run ping and log the latency, lost the connection for a while but it came up again. never happend before and the file transfire contiues. Improvment at least
[4:46] <pa1983_> and ping is now very low to. strange things are happening :P
[4:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I am clueless about this sort of thing
[4:46] * ShiftPlusOne hates network problems and just hopes everything works
[4:47] <pa1983_> ping is 2.8ms avradge :P
[4:47] <pa1983_> maxing out usb interface 1.1
[4:47] <pa1983_> odd
[4:47] <pa1983_> it recovered and got uber low ping and transfire is going strong
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[4:49] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, gave it one hour work of file transfer to do. If it manages that I think I have solved it. Find out in 55 minutes or so :P
[4:49] <ShiftPlusOne> fun
[4:50] <pa1983_> ping is no where over 20ms. Befor it started climbing up to 3000ms eventualy but was all over the place before that in the 300ms range. Now its 2-17ms give or take
[4:50] <sadbox> How solid is the pibow case?
[4:51] <sadbox> I got one of the adafruit acryllic cases... the pi just kidna floats around inside of it
[4:51] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, the ping usualy climbed before it failing so it being much more stable seems promessing
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[4:51] <pa1983_> sadbox, I got a deltaco case for the pi. its very solid and low cost
[4:51] <pa1983_> pi snapps in place and sitts fermly. tigth fit
[4:52] <pa1983_> its all with out screws.
[4:52] <sadbox> Where did you get it/
[4:52] <pa1983_> dustin in sweden
[4:53] <pa1983_> but it shuld be avalible else where to I shink
[4:53] <pa1983_> http://www.dustinhome.se/product/5010665336/deltaco-chassi-for-raspberry-pi-black/#intcmp=searchProvider_SiteSeeker
[4:53] <pa1983_> check it out there
[4:53] <pa1983_> its simple. I have had the pi out of it to. So no problems
[4:54] <pa1983_> considering the price I think its a solid product.
[4:54] <ShiftPlusOne> that's the RS case
[4:54] <ShiftPlusOne> it even says RS on it
[4:54] <ShiftPlusOne> and it's the one I have
[4:54] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, deltaco sells lots of stuff under there name here
[4:54] <pa1983_> and other places
[4:54] <sadbox> snazzy
[4:54] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[4:55] <pa1983_> its like Hunkey PSU's are rebranded Deltaco
[4:55] <pa1983_> so the RS case migth be made by Deltaco and renamed
[4:55] <pa1983_> I dont know
[4:55] <pa1983_> I know Deltaco also purchases and renames stuff with there own brand
[4:55] <ShiftPlusOne> doubt it
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[4:56] <pa1983_> wont mater much to me what name is on the box as long as the Hardware is what I ordered
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[4:56] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, sees RS on mine to. But as I sad Deltaco sells Huntkey PSU under there own bran aka Deltaco
[4:57] <pa1983_> so not suprised
[4:57] <pa1983_> deltaco mostly sells crap but if you just need a cable or so I supose it works. But one shuld not get a PSU or anything complex from then sense its mostly bottom end crap
[4:58] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, so what you think of the RS case then?
[4:58] <ShiftPlusOne> It's good. Nice and snug.
[4:59] <pa1983_> yea
[4:59] <pa1983_> transfer still strong at low latency :D
[5:00] <pa1983_> I really hope this fixed it
[5:00] <pa1983_> if so Im making a stage4 tarball :D
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[5:01] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, even sees manufacturer Deltaco on the dustin page :D
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[5:02] <pa1983_> I was a bit suspicious about it tough :P But they rebrand everything the little bastards
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[5:07] <Coburn> Thinking of using a Pi as a thin client
[5:07] <Coburn> that connects to a desktop
[5:08] <ldionmarcil> yay finally found a use to my pi. detecst when my phone is on the wifi and boots my main box. never have to boot when i get back from work again!
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[5:14] <pa1983_> Coburn, vns?
[5:14] <pa1983_> *vnc
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[5:14] <Coburn> Maybe RDP
[5:14] <pa1983_> might be better ways but I tried that with over ssh and works pretty well
[5:15] <pa1983_> why did I say vnc I used xforwarding over ssh :D
[5:15] <pa1983_> VNC still to be tested
[5:16] <pa1983_> have it on my main PC
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[5:17] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, 30 minutes and 550Mb Rx and 550Mb TX still stable and low latency :D
[5:18] <pa1983_> promessing this is
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[5:18] <pa1983_> a new record it is
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[5:34] <subv> hey all..
[5:34] <subv> so i see there is a quake3 port... and it points here
[5:34] <subv> how does the game run?
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[5:36] <Coburn> smooth from what i have seen
[5:37] <Coburn> maybe not as smooth as a baby's bottom but close enough
[5:37] <Coburn> 60fps+
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[5:37] <Duality> I rebooted my raspberry pi and now i don't have sound, also can't open alsamixer
[5:38] <ldionmarcil> well that'll teach yuo
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[5:39] <pa1983_> Duality, is the module for the sound loaded?
[5:39] <Duality> just loaded it with modprobe and played a file
[5:39] <Duality> there was sound after that :)
[5:40] <Duality> this happend right after the overclock ..
[5:40] <pa1983_> lsmod | grep snd-bcm2835
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[5:40] <pa1983_> well its probebly not autoladed
[5:40] <pa1983_> probebly need to add it to what ever file is probeb for modules to load at boot
[5:40] <pa1983_> I had to do that on my gentoo install
[5:41] <Duality> mopidy sound on jack out is horible
[5:42] <pa1983_> Well I think I solved my wlan problem :D
[5:42] <pa1983_> 93% transfired of 1.12Gb up and down. new record by a factor of almost 10x
[5:42] <pa1983_> dualhbridge, do you happen to use wlan on your pi?
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[5:47] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, one hour and 1.12Gb Rx/Tx completed. Seems to work now :D
[5:47] <Duality> alright thats it, think i need to get me a hdmi audio cable :S
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[6:05] <subv> hmmmm.. i wonder how xbian puts xbmc on the screen.. i don't see X windows system
[6:07] <hyperair> Coburn: 60+fps is faster than your typical monitor refresh rate
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[6:36] <pa1983_> Yes omxplayer works :D
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[7:02] <steve_rox> its annoyingly slightly colder in the uk tonight
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[7:36] <StubbornTurtle_> When you turn a GPIO pin "on", is it outputting 3.3V? I'm using this code: https://gist.github.com/ladyada/3062225
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[7:38] <rikkib> No
[7:39] <rikkib> Normally open collector
[7:39] <rikkib> Which mean you have a pull up resistor
[7:40] <rikkib> If the internal is not enabled you need an extrernal resistor
[7:40] <rikkib> To make the pin drive high you need to set its mode
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[7:41] <rikkib> The standard mode is called positive logic
[7:41] <StubbornTurtle_> So, I have a pin (18 ) on going to a 270ohm resistor and then to what I believe to be a 2V max LED and then to the GND
[7:42] <rikkib> Wrong way of doing it.
[7:42] <rikkib> You hold the pin high and pull it low (to ground)
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[7:43] <StubbornTurtle_> So is this tutorial wrong? (http://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-e-mail-notifier-using-leds/overview) or am I missing something?
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[7:43] <rikkib> And you use an external resistor to pull it high
[7:43] <rikkib> Otherwise you draw to mich current from the pin
[7:43] <rikkib> much
[7:43] <StubbornTurtle_> So the resistor limits the current
[7:45] <rikkib> One resistor goes to +3.3 and you use another serias resistor to limit current
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[7:46] <rikkib> The RPi is at its limits to drive a resistor... More than a couple of leds and you are overloading the RPi
[7:48] <rikkib> drive the led that should have been
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[7:49] <rikkib> I am not good at describing the principles of electronics
[7:49] <StubbornTurtle_> Fair enough. I'm still learning the basics, but I'm trying to understand where I need to learn about how the Pi works vs. the actual electronics beyond it.
[7:50] <rikkib> Unless it is very low current you should never drive anything directly from an I/O pin of a micro
[7:51] <rikkib> And if you mix 5v and 3.3 stuff there are dangers
[7:51] <StubbornTurtle_> Most power should come from an external source and the Pi basically controls a separate circuit of sorts? like with a relay or something?
[7:51] <rikkib> Yep
[7:51] <rikkib> Or a npn transistor like a 2n2222
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[7:53] <rikkib> If you switch to ground there is less chance of exceeding the devices current limits but of course even switching to ground can blow up a port
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[7:54] <rikkib> So you put a resistor from 3.3v to the pin which holds the pin high, led on, then switch to ground, low.
[7:55] <rikkib> The series resistor plus the pull up resistor equals the led current
[7:56] <rikkib> .......3.3v
[7:56] <rikkib> .........|
[7:56] <rikkib> .........|
[7:56] <rikkib> .........R
[7:56] <rikkib> .........|
[7:56] <rikkib> .........|
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[7:57] <rikkib> ----------------R----led----grnd
[7:57] <rikkib> if you can understand the txt diagram
[7:57] <rikkib> pin----------------R----led----grnd
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[7:58] <rikkib> is better
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[7:59] <StubbornTurtle_> pin ---- R ---- LED ----- GND is what I have now
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[8:01] <rikkib> That will work if you have just one led but not good practice... Best practice is to use a transistor
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[8:05] <rikkib> I have to water the garden before it gets dark.
[8:07] <StubbornTurtle_> rikkib: Ok. Thanks for the help!
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[8:11] <Jck_true> rikkib: Time for Pi automation?
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[8:17] <StubbornTurtle_> Jck_true: zing! lol
[8:20] <Coffe> (08:05:08) rikkib: I have to water the garden before it gets dark. , and i look out of the window, this early morgning seeing alot of snow.. toughts drift away to the summer.
[8:21] <piney> i can relate. spring would even be nice now
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[8:21] <Coffe> we are happy yo have the pi as a sun in our lives :)
[8:22] <StubbornTurtle_> Captain's log. Star date 309860.34614408936...
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[8:24] <StubbornTurtle_> (what I felt like happened above)
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[8:28] <rikkib> 23 deg C in my workshop
[8:28] <rikkib> Thu Feb 21 20:28:43 NZDT 2013
[8:29] <rikkib> Hey that is my birthday :)
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[8:30] <Coffe> rikkib: congratz
[8:30] <rikkib> 53 clicks old
[8:31] <rikkib> Much closer to death than birth that is for sure.
[8:31] <Coffe> EOL happnes to all of us.
[8:33] <rikkib> Don't remind me... My sister, 2 years younger, has cancer again... Not good.
[8:33] <Coffe> owwh,.. sorry
[8:33] <ShiftPlusOne> argh.... hate cancer =(
[8:34] <rikkib> First breast cancer now bone cancer...
[8:34] <rikkib> I fear the worst.
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[8:35] <rikkib> I had cancer as well by my cancer is not so bad and was cut out and not one that spreads so much.
[8:35] <rikkib> but
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[8:36] <rikkib> cycle cell carninoma or however you spell that
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[8:39] <rikkib> I tested over 100 LCD screens today.
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[8:40] <rikkib> My feet hurt
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[8:46] <StubbornTurtle_> What's involved in testing a LCD screen?
[8:47] <StubbornTurtle_> Are you doing it with repaired LCDs? or manufactured ones?
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[8:52] <NESIT> what kind of lcds
[8:52] <rikkib> Second hand ones at the PC recycle company... Plug them in clean the screen make sure no scratches
[8:53] <rikkib> no go send overseas... scratched pulled apart. good for sale
[8:54] <StubbornTurtle_> Got it. Interesting
[8:54] <rikkib> 15" to 19" mostly 17"
[8:55] <rikkib> Boring and not the best use of my time... I am supposed to be sorting out other stuff that just is just sitting around and not being dealt with...
[8:57] <rikkib> He is resisting which is not unusual when you are trying to force changing his/companies bad habits.
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[8:58] <rikkib> He gave me several no's so rather than force the issue I just complied... No change of attitude and I will be forced to walk away from trying to mentor him in his business.
[8:59] <rikkib> A colleague I have known for many years... Am helping him for free.
[9:00] <rikkib> Nothing ventured sort of thing.
[9:00] <rikkib> If he is not willing to take my advice there ain't nothing I can do about it.
[9:01] <rikkib> His warehouse is a huge mess.
[9:01] <rikkib> Stiff piled up floor to ceiling sort of thing.
[9:04] <NESIT> he listing them on ebay etc?
[9:04] <rikkib> trademe the NZ site
[9:05] <rikkib> He has lots of other stuff that would be best suited to ebay
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[9:05] <rikkib> Vintage audio, amiga, comodore
[9:05] <NESIT> i have stuff around my computer shop i have to list , rather do that then trash it
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[9:06] <rikkib> When I ran my own PC company we would have open days
[9:07] <rikkib> give it away almost
[9:07] <rikkib> otherwise is just keeps building up.
[9:07] <rikkib> it
[9:08] <rikkib> BER
[9:08] <rikkib> Beyond economic repair
[9:09] <NESIT> i have some junkguys that come and give me like 3-4$ for broken desktops
[9:09] <NESIT> saves me a trip to recyclers and i get paid
[9:09] <Macer> wonder how much they get heh
[9:09] <Macer> do they melt it down in open pits
[9:09] <Macer> like the chineese
[9:10] <rikkib> circuit boards get sent to Belgium for the gold and silver
[9:10] <rikkib> cup's
[9:10] <Macer> i saw a 2020 about recycling companies that illegallz shipped it off to near slavelike melting plantations
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[9:10] <rikkib> cpu's
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[9:11] <rikkib> It is all regulated here
[9:11] <Macer> chinese workers with melt burns all over their hands melting down electronics with rags over their mouths
[9:11] <Macer> it was here too
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[9:11] <Macer> the profit far outweighs the fine
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[9:12] <Macer> and nobody cares about chinese workers anyways so long as they get their iphones and ealmarts
[9:12] <rikkib> All old TV's after the changeover to freeview here in NZ have to be dealt with here and are going to landfill... Govt in NZ are you know what for brains
[9:12] <Macer> walmarts
[9:12] <Macer> heh
[9:13] <rikkib> My friends company is one of a few allowed to export to ethical recyclers.
[9:13] <Macer> rough world out there
[9:13] <Macer> who is to saz if thez are or not
[9:13] <NESIT> blah i figured out how to add stuff to github
[9:13] <Macer> once thez get the permit it is out of their hands
[9:14] <Macer> argh! qwertz
[9:14] <Macer> driving me crazy why cant germans use qwerty
[9:15] <rikkib> I have gitweb running on this machine somewhere... http://www.bencom.co.nz/gitweb I think
[9:16] <rikkib> yep that works
[9:16] <NESIT> i am playing around with rfid reader and sqlite3
[9:16] <NESIT> https://github.com/xillwillx/RFPiD/blob/master/rfid.py
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[9:16] <rikkib> near field devices
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[9:17] <NESIT> noones done just regular rfid yet, theyve done nfc
[9:17] <NESIT> i cheated and used a usb breakout board
[9:17] <NESIT> i couldnt get the rx pins to recive the data from the reader
[9:18] <rikkib> try different pull up resistor values
[9:18] <rikkib> That is if it uses pull ups
[9:18] <rikkib> may be nrz
[9:19] <NESIT> doesnt need them
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[9:20] <NESIT> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJauI9QPwXI
[9:20] <rikkib> That's me. Worn out and heading for bed... Night all.
[9:21] <NESIT> yea im about to too 330 am
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[9:32] <StubbornTurtle_> what's the difference between RFID and NFC?
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[9:35] <ShiftPlusOne> "NFC builds upon RFID systems by allowing two-way communication between endpoints, where earlier systems such as contactless smart cards were one-way only.[6] Since unpowered NFC "tags" can also be read by NFC devices,[2] it is also capable of replacing earlier one-way applications."
[9:35] <ShiftPlusOne> wikipedia
[9:36] <SStrife> RFID is strictly a tag/reader system, NFC is peer-to-peer
[9:36] <SStrife> or yeah, what he said
[9:36] <ShiftPlusOne> looks like same technology, just a different standard
[9:36] <SStrife> you can read RFID tags with an NFC-equipped smartphone, as long as the bands used are the same
[9:37] <SStrife> yea, same technology
[9:37] <StubbornTurtle_> Interesting. I was looking at this board to play with eventually: https://www.adafruit.com/products/364
[9:38] <StubbornTurtle_> I have an idea, but I don't know if RFID is really the right technology for what I want to do anyway.
[9:39] <ShiftPlusOne> What's the idea?
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[9:40] <StubbornTurtle_> I have some different ideas for different applications
[9:41] <StubbornTurtle_> but basically
[9:41] <StubbornTurtle_> track movement of game pieces like chess
[9:41] <StubbornTurtle_> being able to tell specifically what piece is on what square
[9:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Would you need a reader for each square?
[9:41] <StubbornTurtle_> The two approaches that came to mind were some sort of RFID/NFC or something webcam/projector based
[9:41] <StubbornTurtle_> http://www.reactable.com/products/live/
[9:41] <ShiftPlusOne> 'cause.... that would get pricy.
[9:42] <StubbornTurtle_> like that ^
[9:42] <StubbornTurtle_> yeah, it would be pricey any way you cut it I think :-P
[9:42] <pierut> nerrrrd
[9:42] <pierut> :)
[9:42] <ShiftPlusOne> pierut, O_o what is this nonsense?
[9:42] <StubbornTurtle_> ?
[9:42] <pierut> :P
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[9:42] <ShiftPlusOne> StubbornTurtle, usually they use cameras for that sort of thing
[9:42] <StubbornTurtle_> aren't we all nerds?
[9:42] <StubbornTurtle_> lol
[9:43] <StubbornTurtle_> ShiftPlusOne: It just doesn't seem as slick
[9:43] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah.... I am about to kick pierut for not being one.
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[9:43] <pierut> :D
[9:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I think rfid would be tricky or expensive.
[9:44] <ShiftPlusOne> the readers can have quite recent range, so you might be picking up neighbouring squares instead and so on.
[9:44] <StubbornTurtle_> Yeah, that was a main issue I was foreseeing
[9:44] <ShiftPlusOne> but I have limited experience with rfid, so maybe there's some better way of doing it.
[9:44] <StubbornTurtle_> and I thought I could use other neighboring readers to verify which square the pieces are really on
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[9:45] <ShiftPlusOne> to avoid that you could check whether the previous move was valid.... if you read a peice where it shouldn't be, then you can adjust for that sort of thing.
[9:45] <StubbornTurtle_> I guess from a programming standpoint too, a camera and projector involves a lot of image recognition vs. with specific sensors, it seems a bit easier to work with
[9:45] <StubbornTurtle_> ShiftPlusOne: I'd want to be able to give user feedback for invalid moves though
[9:45] <StubbornTurtle_> ShiftPlusOne: make the board flash red (for example)
[9:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I think that they tend to use cameras for this sort of thing for a reason. I am sure they have done their research.
[9:47] <ShiftPlusOne> good excuse to play around with opencv
[9:47] <StubbornTurtle_> opencv?
[9:48] <StubbornTurtle_> "Open Source Computer Vision"
[9:48] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, Wlan seems stable and omxplayer works now :P
[9:48] * pa1983_ happy
[9:48] <ShiftPlusOne> what fixed it?
[9:48] <pa1983_> removed CCMP from /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[9:49] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks, I'll give that a go on my desktop and see if that fixes my issues.
[9:49] <pa1983_> that seems to lower the ping and the router wont think the pi is disconnecting
[9:49] <ShiftPlusOne> I have been using windows because I have given up trying to get wireless working properly with wpa_supplicant >=/
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[9:50] <pa1983_> make sure you have TKIP instead
[9:50] <ShiftPlusOne> alright
[9:50] <pa1983_> DOnt know for sure how all this work togheter but I think CCMP have priority over TKIP
[9:51] <pa1983_> well my ubuntu netbook work fine but Im not sure how its configured sens its al gui :P hardly use it and I had gentoo on it many years ago but cant remember what settings I hade for wpa_supplicant
[9:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, when I use networkmanager, it works fine. It's using wpa_supplicant directly (which I would prefer, since I am running Arch) that's the problem.
[9:52] <pa1983_> I have had a few latops with gentoo and wpa_supplicant set up manualy, usualy some fideling but I dont remember settings I used 10 years ago :P
[9:52] <pa1983_> yea well expericne tells me its pricky. Get it wrong and it wont work. get it rigth and its stable as a rock
[9:53] <Coffe> know this is the wrong channel, but i like to see ipv6 support in raspbmc, i did have to manualt hack it in.
[9:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Get it almost tright and it will work, but drop out randomly and annoy the hell out of you.
[9:53] <pa1983_> My gentoo based via 3 router is rock solid. It never losses a device if its configuerd properly.
[9:54] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, well what happened to me. checked the routers logs and it seems like the router got a signal from the pie to cut its authentication.
[9:54] <pa1983_> To translate. The Router sad the Pi asked for it :P
[9:55] <xiambax> Am I the only one that finds it odd they stopped broadcasting real time radiation levels after 2011?
[9:55] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, suspiciously similar to my problem. I haven't looked at the router's logs, but that's sort of what wpa_cli was showing.
[9:55] <ShiftPlusOne> real time radiation levels? O_o
[9:56] <ShiftPlusOne> 'they'?
[9:56] <xiambax> The people who run the networks
[9:56] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, I remeber I had hig ping liek a 100ms to a local machine. I also remeber some one here asked if it was normal with a wlan dongel on raspberry and I sad I have it to so seems like it. So even if you dont lose connection, if you have high ping or poor preformance CCMP might be the problem
[9:56] <xiambax> I remember reading an article the other day stating they are finding high levels or radiation in milk
[9:56] <xiambax> meaning the food they are eating is radioactive
[9:56] <xiambax> meaning, we are all screwed.
[9:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Pretty sure horse meat is all the rage nowadays.
[9:57] <pa1983_> theres radiation veryware
[9:57] <pa1983_> its norma?
[9:57] <pa1983_> normal :P
[9:57] <xiambax> the UK isn't of the coast of Japan
[9:57] <frikinz> TKIP has some security weakness. I constantly disable it on my routers and only allow AES CCMP
[9:57] <ShiftPlusOne> neither is Australia >=/
[9:57] <pa1983_> ShiftPlusOne, I bet a horse burger on the grill would be a feast right about now :D
[9:58] <xiambax> My router only does AES
[9:58] <pa1983_> frikinz, well my usb dongle on the pi will go nut with CCMP
[9:58] <frikinz> http://www.radajo.com/2008/11/wpatkip-chopchop-attack.html
[9:58] <pa1983_> usualy I have CCMP ant TKPI set
[9:59] <frikinz> I think TKIP is sometimes done in hardware while CCMP needs CPU work
[9:59] <pa1983_> well I suck on wlan. I have WPA2 and a LONG key and mac address filter
[9:59] <pa1983_> think that should hold most neighbours out of the wlan.
[9:59] <frikinz> Its not as critical as WEP though..
[9:59] <ShiftPlusOne> well... work time... 'night
[10:00] <pa1983_> well people call me paranoid with my wlan settings when guest tries to use it haha
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> don't bother with encryption or mac filtering. just firewall the Wi-Fi LAN to go via a VPN endpoint and VPN from the devices..
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> not always device friendly though...
[10:00] <pa1983_> thats beyond me atm.
[10:01] <pa1983_> I stream media and do stuff on my nexus 7 over the lan
[10:01] <pa1983_> once in on the wlan I have access to all my computers
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[10:01] <pa1983_> well you cant get in to the router from the wlan directly tough
[10:01] <pa1983_> would be dumb :P
[10:02] <pa1983_> *wlan
[10:02] <frikinz> but then use certificate as this attack chopchop allows injecting traffic for say arp spoofing and you can be fooled by MITM attacks
[10:03] <pa1983_> say what?
[10:03] <frikinz> that's in theory..
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[10:04] <pa1983_> well Im not that intresting, and as long as the scriptkids cant get in it shuld be fine :P
[10:04] <pa1983_> I do have a firewall and some protection against systematic attacks
[10:04] <pa1983_> but Im no guru so just try to keep the fort closed down as best as posible
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[10:07] <frikinz> gordonDrogon: yes. a pity some handle IKEv1, others IKEv2 .. i'm actually setting up again a vpn
[10:08] <pa1983_> got som vpn support I think in my switch but never used it :P
[10:08] <pa1983_> Its layer 2 only but works fine
[10:08] <pa1983_> passive 19" rack model
[10:08] <pa1983_> silent as a mouse
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[10:13] <violator> Hi, is it possible to use adafruits USB to TTL Serial Cable via a breadboard?
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[10:21] <des2> Which cable ? (url)
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[10:24] <violator> des2: I have one of these http://www.adafruit.com/products/954 which I know works.. I tried connecting it to a breadboard but the pi does not power up.
[10:25] <violator> des2: I connected one of these https://www.adafruit.com/products/1105 from the pins to my breadboard.
[10:25] <des2> ok it should work
[10:26] <des2> No reason it wouldn't if the connections are correct.
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[10:26] <des2> So it works when connected directly to the PI ?
[10:26] <violator> Thanks, I'll have to investigate. It power up over USB but I've no network and no tools :)
[10:27] <des2> But not when connected through the ADA fruit cobbler on the breadboard ?
[10:27] <violator> yup, works when connected to the pi.. but not when connected to the same pins on the breadboard.
[10:27] <des2> Do you have an ohmmeter ?
[10:27] <violator> That's the thing. I have no tools. I've to borrow some stuff from work and leave this be for now.
[10:28] <violator> Thanks
[10:28] <des2> ok
[10:30] <violator> Are all the GPIO pins off by default when powered up via USB?
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[10:32] <aldasa> i think the 5v pin is always on.
[10:32] <Viper-7> heh
[10:33] <Viper-7> at least the serial tx pin will have active output
[10:33] <Viper-7> on raspbian
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[10:33] <violator> Oufh.. I might have the cable upside down :)
[10:33] <des2> uh oh
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[10:34] <violator> Oh well.. thanks for your time. I'll take my shame with me and go hide.
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[10:37] <des2> I kile problems that are easily solved.
[10:38] <des2> like
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[10:42] <Pitel_IPEX> any idea why after reboot from cron, nginx is not started, but after manual reboot via ssh, nginx is started?
[10:44] <TeeCee> Pitel_IPEX: This happens every time?
[10:44] <Pitel_IPEX> seems so
[10:45] <Pitel_IPEX> 0 */12 * * * /sbin/reboot #this is in root's crontab
[10:47] <Pitel_IPEX> also, php-fpm is not started
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[10:54] <martk100> Has anyone managed to get a touchscreen working correctly on xbmc?
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[11:24] <dwatkins> I just use a remote with xbmc.
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[11:32] <gordonDrogon> Today is toast day!
[11:32] * dwatkins toasts the day with a cup of tea
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> coffee here :)
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[11:42] <neilr> mmmm. Tea. Top idea.
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[11:45] <dwatkins> always
[11:45] <dwatkins> apart from within a few hours of trying to sleep
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[11:55] <gordonDrogon> I have decaf for that.
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[11:56] <dwatkins> yeah, I do too, and one of those funky aeropress things for making coffee with, it's rather nice
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[11:59] <neilr> Actually, I think I enjoy making tea too much to try to automate it.
[12:00] <neilr> <Mrs. Doyle>maybe I like the misery</Mrs Doyle>
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[12:01] <markedathome> didn't the guy who timeshifted radio4 originally plan to use a teasmaid?
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[12:04] <neilr> I'm wondering if anyone from outside of the UK is reading this, and wondering what we're talking about, using a teasmaid to timeshift radio 4...
[12:06] <markedathome> wonders if UK submariners need timeshifting r4? or do they get streamed radio5live
[12:06] * markedathome thinks that was a convoluted train of thought to get there.
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[12:09] <SStrife> i know what a teasmaid is, and i know what radio 4 is
[12:09] <SStrife> but how are they connected?
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[12:11] <markedathome> a teasmaid should come on at the same time as radio 4 in the morning
[12:12] <markedathome> ready for that nice cuppa as you listen to the news, as you ponder getting out of bed
[12:12] <SStrife> that part i get
[12:12] <SStrife> timeshifting with it though? like, starting a recording so you can have your radio 4 morning program with tea, at any time during the day?
[12:13] <markedathome> no, the guy lives in the states, and as he says, god created radio 4 for the express purpose of having the today show in the morning, not at some random time of the day because you are several timezones away
[12:14] <SStrife> ahh
[12:14] <SStrife> makes more sense than what i came up with
[12:14] <SStrife> i was thinking of a shift worker or some such
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[12:14] <markedathome> --> https://hylobatidae.org/?action=articleinfo&id=52
[12:15] <markedathome> used an old roberts radio.
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> I have a dualit espresso machine.
[12:16] <SStrife> that is a sensational mod
[12:16] <SStrife> i love every part of it
[12:16] <markedathome> does anyone have a wavefinder working on their pi? -- I am in a resurrecting old kit mood...
[12:16] <SStrife> especially that the radio can still work as a radio kinda
[12:16] <SStrife> there's love in it
[12:17] <markedathome> especially when it was shipped from the UK for the express purpose of being modified...
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> This: http://unicorn.drogon.net/coffee1.jpg is a rubbish photo of a coffee machine in a cyber cafe/hackspace in Cornwall which is controlled by a Pi
[12:18] <markedathome> isn't that rather exposed to the ambient steam from the coffee machine?
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[12:18] <gordonDrogon> dunno - I didn't make it, but it seems to work every time I've visited.
[12:18] <SStrife> that's pretty neat
[12:18] <SStrife> what does it trigger, exactly?
[12:19] <SStrife> oh wait
[12:19] <SStrife> never mind
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[12:19] <gordonDrogon> The Pi is connected to the water heater and temp. sensor, water level, and inlet solenoid as well as the pump to dispense coffee.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> There is a web interface to it - which doubles as the shop's till...
[12:19] <SStrife> now that's cool
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> So they put grounds in it, cup under it, go to the 'till' (a laptop) push the one shot or double button and the coffee maker dispenses the right amount of water.
[12:20] <SStrife> i figured it might have been opto-coupled to the "make coffee" button, and it was otherwise "just a coffee machine"
[12:20] <SStrife> but that's so much more
[12:20] <SStrife> nice
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> it's a proper little hackspace and projects like that which are fun - they basically got given the coffee machine which is a low-end cafe type for nothing because the logic board was broken and would cost a few 100 to replace...
[12:21] <SStrife> that's great
[12:21] <SStrife> there isn't a hackerspace where i live
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> none near me either.
[12:21] <SStrife> but i've been building up my own personal workshop in bits and bobs over the last few years
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> however I live in an area with a very low population density, so it's hard to get anything going here.
[12:22] <SStrife> last weekend, i finally got a press for my dremel, so I can do PCB holes more straigher-er.
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> :)
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> I have little in the way of mechanicals - other than the usual house DIY stuff.
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> but my office has a nice workbench, soldering iron and other stuff.
[12:22] <SStrife> ah nice
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[12:23] <SStrife> my office has... computers, and a nice dual-head A0 inkjet plotter
[12:23] <SStrife> but that's about it
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[12:23] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/office.jpg
[12:23] <SStrife> oh your home office, i meant at work :P
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> I've re-arranged it since that photo - swapped workstation & workbench.
[12:23] <SStrife> my home office is a tiny room
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> I'm lucky. You get a lot of house for your money here.
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> or we did - nearly 11 years ago when we bought it.
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> Hm. 11 years in April!
[12:25] <SStrife> that is lucky
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[12:46] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: I noticed in a thread on the forum that someone from a temperature logging company was asking if someone could tidy-up an install for commercial use as a temperature sensor, sounds like it might be a fun project, not sure of the legal side of that.
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[12:53] <gordonDrogon> why would there be any legal issues?
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> the Pi's a pretty expensive temperature sensor though :)
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[12:54] <mjr> also frankly I'd like a simpler device for a temperature sensor for robustness' sake
[12:55] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: I'm just wondering how the GPL applies in this situation, no idea how all that works, and yes, it's a pretty expensive temperature logger.
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[12:57] <dwatkins> mjr: agreed, here's a neat little one I've been considering making: http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/temperature-recorder/
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> GPL isn't an issue.
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[12:58] <gordonDrogon> I livense my code under 2 licensed - one is GPL, the other private.
[12:58] <dwatkins> I imagine using a PIC chip means it only has about 24 hours capacity to log, so perhaps an Arduino would suit it better.
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> So I can sell a copy of wiringPi to someone and they can change it with no need to publish the sources.
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> if they write their own code from scratch then there's no issue selling it complete with a Pi to go with it.
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> However they should make the sources of the Pi's GPL code avalable to anyone who asks.
[12:59] <dwatkins> yeah
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> in practice that means keeping a local copy of Debian.
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> (or Raspbian)
[12:59] <dwatkins> I'm always surprised at the price of temperature loggers, considering what they are.
[12:59] <dwatkins> The USB ones tend to be about ??60 or ??70, iirc.
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[13:00] <dwatkins> anyhoo, lunchtime, ttfn
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> it's what the market will pay...
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> cheap ones don't have "value" in that if they're too cheap, people won't buy them because they don't think they're worth it...
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> Got a link to the thread?
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[13:21] <Jck_true> dwatkins: DHT11 - 3 wires to the GPIO pins and you're running :)
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[13:31] <Defolos> Hi Guys, I have a strange problem with my pi, as soon as I start aptitude or apt-get (on raspbian) the pi seems to crash (ssh-session hangs, doesn't respond to pings any more), after a restart everything is fine again, but so I cannot install software. Any ideas what could be the problem?
[13:31] <Grievar> how are you powering it?
[13:31] <Defolos> USB power supply bought from amazon
[13:32] <Defolos> the package says 2.1 A current
[13:32] <Defolos> so it should be enough
[13:33] <Grievar> Defolos: might want to run some tests on it to see if it can actually do that
[13:33] <Grievar> Defolos: also, try the serial console. If you're getting a kernel panic, that's the best place to look
[13:33] <Defolos> Grievar: can I measure the power consumption using the pi?
[13:34] <Grievar> not if it's not working
[13:35] <Defolos> by serial console, you mean attaching it via hdmi to a monitor?
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[13:40] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[13:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Defolos, http://lavalink.com/2012/03/raspberry-pi-serial-interfacing/
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[13:43] <Defolos> ShiftPlusOne: thanks, but I am afraid I dont have a cable for that
[13:46] <Defolos> Is there a log file where I could look for a kernel panic or a power supply failure?
[13:46] <linuxstb> Defolos: You could try opening up another ssh session and do "tail -f /var/log/messages" at the same time as trying apt-get
[13:46] <Grievar> Defolos: how is it going to write a kernel panic to a log file?
[13:46] <Grievar> if the kernel is panicing that means you don't have a kernel with which to write files
[13:47] <Defolos> linuxstb: thanks, I will try that
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[13:48] * linuxstb isn't confident it will help, but it's free
[13:48] <Defolos> Grievar: you are right, but I dont think its a kernel panic, because the network diodes only go out for half a second and are then back on (the pi however does not respond over the network)
[13:51] <Grievar> Defolos: yeah you might want to hook it up to a monitor via HDMI and see what goes on, if it's only a network thing
[13:51] <Grievar> Defolos: have you tried unplugging and replugging the ethernet jack when it happens?
[13:52] <Grievar> Defolos: it still sounds like a power issue to me. Unfortunately without a scope those are hard to diagnose
[13:52] <Defolos> Grievar: trying it right now
[13:52] <Defolos> linuxstb: /var/log/messages didn't show anything
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[13:53] <Walther> kheh, http://www.xkcdb.com/9234
[13:53] <Defolos> Grievar: replugging the ethernet didn't help...
[13:54] <Defolos> Grievar: I also think it might be a power issue, because I first run it from the usb port of my laptop and it died far more frequently, and now only after starting apt
[13:55] <Grievar> Defolos: plug a keyboard into it and see if the caps lock/scroll lock keys respond after it locks up
[13:55] <Grievar> Defolos: if it kernel panics they'll flash
[13:55] <Grievar> if it's locked up they won't respond
[13:55] <Defolos> Grievar: I dont have a USB keyboard???
[13:55] <Grievar> wow
[13:55] <Grievar> :x
[13:55] <Defolos> yeah I know???
[13:55] <Defolos> sucks to be me
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[13:58] <Defolos> Grievar: what would be the best way to diagnose a power issue?
[13:59] <Grievar> with a scope
[14:00] <Defolos> ok, thanks
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[14:01] <Walther> Oh, whoops, sorry, linked to wrong channel
[14:01] <Walther> Disregard my earlier link
[14:02] <Defolos> ah, does someone know how to find out whether I have a revision 1 or 2 board?
[14:02] <Walther> Defolos: does it have mounting holes?
[14:02] <Grievar> Defolos: you could also try connecting, say, a 5 ohm resistor across the power lines on the USB port and then measuring the voltage across it to make sure it stays 5V
[14:02] <Defolos> 2 off them
[14:02] <Walther> as in, bolt-sized holes
[14:02] <Walther> then it's rev2
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[14:06] <dwatkins> Jck_true: thanks, I'll look into it
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[14:13] <Datalink> hm, I wonder how hard it'd be to use a RPi for Sony's LANC protocol
[14:13] <Datalink> though it's a 5V protocol, it seems similar to I2C
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[14:20] <Datalink> http://www.boehmel.de/lanc.htm hmm, 9600 baud... hm, if I build the tranciever it should be doabe with the right code
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[14:21] <smallfoot-> Is Raspberry Pi Foundation planning or considering any Model C ?
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[14:23] <Dyskette> smallfoot-: not at present
[14:24] <Dyskette> As far as anyone is aware, anyway...
[14:24] <Joeboy> I hope we don't get lots of slightly different models
[14:24] <smallfoot-> :(
[14:24] <smallfoot-> Joeboy, but I would really like ARMv7 and Gigabit Ethernet
[14:24] <Joeboy> One of the awesome things about the pi is that there are loads of them, and they are all (mostly) the same
[14:24] <smallfoot-> but ARMv6 sucks :(
[14:25] <Joeboy> I totally agree about ARMv6
[14:25] <Walther> I have only two hopes - a more stable USB stack (not only in terms of power but a one that doesn't randomly bork the usb hdd even if it is powered via a powered HUB) and armv7
[14:25] <Dyskette> The pi's already so far beyond the 240k or whatever that was supposed to be enough for anyone ;)
[14:25] <Joeboy> Like, I agree a lot :-)
[14:25] <Walther> i don't mind about the ram or about eth speed or anything
[14:25] <Walther> but the usb stack is too unstable to be used for anything storage-related, at least in my experience
[14:26] <Walther> Plus, armv7 would bring a significant amount of extra software available
[14:26] <Dyskette> I've had no issues with it, though I was using independently-powered devices
[14:26] <smallfoot-> and ARMv7 would make everythins so much easier, run stock Debian and stock Fedora and stock Ubuntu
[14:26] <Walther> pi b rev1 + 2A usb hub + 2.5" slim usb hdd -> can't get a stable 5min write
[14:26] <Walther> random powercycles
[14:26] <Walther> causing IO errors
[14:27] <Dyskette> Walther: did you try disconnecting the power line on the host usb port?
[14:27] <Joeboy> Does anybody know how much faster NEON is compared to VFP?
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[14:27] <Walther> Dyskette: haven't had the chance yet, been a bit too busy
[14:27] <Joeboy> I'm kind of guessing it doesn't suck as much, bicbw
[14:28] <Dyskette> Walther: because that sounds like a classic not-conforming-to-spec hub drawing power from the host usb as well as the powersupply
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[14:28] <Walther> Dyskette: but then again, both the usb drive and the hdd work perfectly fine on other computers
[14:28] <Dyskette> Walther: because basically all other computers are capable of supplying power beyond the USB spec
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[14:29] <Dyskette> Walther: much like the fact that something renders correctly in IE doesn't mean it's valid HTML ;)
[14:29] <Joeboy> It's probably good to apply Postel's principle here and allow for crap drives though
[14:29] <Walther> Dyskette: yeah
[14:29] <Dyskette> It would be, if you didn't have a very strict budget
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[14:30] <Walther> Joeboy: hm?
[14:30] <Joeboy> Walther: The Postel principle is, you should conform to the spec yourself ,but be generous if other people violate it
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[14:31] <Walther> sounds reasonable
[14:31] <Joeboy> Walther: So, whatever the spec says, it would be a good thing if the pi supplied more power
[14:31] <Dyskette> It would indeed, but when you need to be able to sell them at $35/$25 a pop...
[14:31] <Joeboy> (unless it's somehow expecnsive)
[14:31] <Walther> it certainly would - and not only "more" but keyword being "stable"
[14:32] <Walther> Obviously it would make things more expensive
[14:32] <Dyskette> Walther: in this instance, they're the same thing
[14:32] <Walther> perhaps
[14:32] <Dyskette> Walther: the usb stack will unstable if you're trying to draw more power than it can supply
[14:32] <Walther> But yeah, i wonder what would be the best way of making a data-only cable
[14:32] <Dyskette> Walther: draw power within its supply capabilities, should be perfectly stable
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[14:32] <Walther> as I don't have any openable/closable DIY usb heads
[14:33] <Dyskette> Walther: you could just tear out the appropriate pin from an extension cable with a pair of pliers/tweezers
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[14:34] <Dyskette> (Probably easier on the female than the male end)
[14:34] <Dyskette> (But still fiddly)
[14:34] <Walther> mmh. sadly, the usb cable in question for the hub is usb B
[14:35] <Walther> so not much room for tweezers/pliers
[14:35] <Dyskette> So? You can run that into an extension cable that isn't...
[14:35] <Walther> derp, or just take it from the other end :D
[14:35] <Dyskette> Yeah
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[14:36] <Walther> I also need to find some sort of as-small-as-possible sturdy case for pi + hdd
[14:36] <Walther> with (hopefully) only ethernet and one power cable to plug into
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[14:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ use a 3.5" exteral HD case with a 2.5" Sata drive and power the RPI from that - it should all fit into the case
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[14:41] <SixtyFold> are most of you using a dedicated power plug for the verions 2.0 b rPi or just have it plugged into the usb port on your PC?
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> Both.
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[14:42] <gordonDrogon> also currently powering one off a hub.
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[14:42] <SixtyFold> a powered hub/
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[14:42] <SixtyFold> ?
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[14:43] <SixtyFold> if you just buy a powered hub you dont really have to worry about making sure its 5v 700ma or anything really because that's taken care of just by you're plugging it in as micro usb to usb yah?
[14:44] <dwatkins> I tend to use my Tomtom charger to power my Pi.
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[14:44] <gordonDrogon> yes powered!
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[14:44] <dwatkins> I bought a fairly cheap mains transformer, but either it wasn't connected too well or the plug was badly designed, as it had problems with arcing.
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> Pi's micro usb is plugged into the hub.
[14:45] <dwatkins> I think it's time I got a MicroUSB port protector
[14:45] <pronto> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/07/30/fritzing-library-update-adafruit-pi-cobbler-for-raspberry-pi/ oo neat
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[14:45] <SixtyFold> MicroUSB port protector?
[14:45] <dwatkins> SixtyFold: https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi-power-port-protector
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[14:45] <dwatkins> just an adapter that you leave plugged in
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[14:46] <Walther> RaTTuS|BIG: what do you mean power the pi and hdd by "the case"?
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[14:46] <gordonDrogon> I bought the hub way back but I've never really used it for more than just powering the Pi (or 2)
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[14:48] <SixtyFold> gordonDrogon - how many pie could you power off a POWERED 4 port usb hub you think or would mileage vary?
[14:48] <SixtyFold> i dont know much about electricity unfortunately
[14:49] <Dyskette> SixtyFold: it depends on its current rating (how many amps it can put out)
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[14:50] <SixtyFold> Dyskette - i kinda figured that, but thanks for confirming
[14:52] <Walther> i have hopes that by cutting the power pins from the hub's usb cable i could power both the pi and a usb hdd from the hub
[14:52] <Walther> it's rated at 2A so it *should* be able to do that
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[14:52] <Walther> but on the other hand, with the current experience of not being able to even reliably have only the hdd in the hub... it's looking bad
[14:52] <SixtyFold> this is a stupid question/favor, but can someone give me the main site for rPi that comes on the element14 box, i have OCD and i dont want to touch the box atm, i havent taken mine out b/c im waiting on and sd Card
[14:53] <SixtyFold> Walther - 'luckily' all my external hard drives are powered, so i wont have to deal with that kinda thing
[14:54] <Walther> mine aren't, and the hub approach seems to be unbelievably unreliable
[14:55] <Walther> Plus, I don't want to spend *another* 100ish eur on a usb hdd
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[14:57] <SixtyFold> i guess ill go hope i layed the box with the site showing up
[14:57] <SixtyFold> hehehe
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[14:58] <SixtyFold> raspberrypi.org/downloads
[14:58] <SixtyFold> weeee
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[15:06] <Dyskette> Walther: your experiences powering a different device plugged into a hub plugged into the pi will hardly reflect on the ability to power a pi from a hub
[15:07] <Walther> Dyskette: very much true
[15:07] <Walther> never claimed otherwise. I certainly hope it would be possible to do that though :/
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[15:09] <pa1983> hello :D
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[15:38] <gordonDrogon> SixtyFold, I power 2 Pi's off mine. I've not tried 3.
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[15:39] <dreamreal> re gordonDrogon
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, what?
[15:40] <dreamreal> "re-hello," been a while :)
[15:40] <dreamreal> that's all :)
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[15:42] <gordonDrogon> lunch time.
[15:43] * IT_Sean 'urps
[15:44] <bodin> Has anyone manage to get Gitlab up and running using the tutorial https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq/blob/stable/doc/install/installation.md ? Im ending up with a 502 Bad Gateway when im finished with all the steps
[15:44] <bodin> Got this error in gitlab_error.log: [error] 21399#0: *16 upstream prematurely closed connection while reading response header from upstream, client:, server:, request: "GET /users/sign_in HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://unix:/home/gitlab/gitlab/tmp/sockets/gitlab.socket:/users/sign_in", host: ""
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[15:49] <pronto> i see theres a few raspberry pi thin client projects, anyone here use the rpi as a think client?
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[15:51] <markedathome> I use windows 7 as a thin client to the pi. Does that count?
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[15:59] <Kane> o/
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[16:29] <pa1983> ShiftPlusOne, network down again. but not the same error. Seems to get disconnecte due time out but I did a network transfire. started after I shut it down and moved the pi. I suspect the pi is not telling the router its connected but me runing ping for hours before probebably made sure it staid up. Still I solved the other problem sense runing ping the did not help
[16:29] <pa1983> its always somthing
[16:30] <pa1983> now I got to figure out why the router thinks the pi is not connected
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[16:30] <lupinedk> root@raspberrypi:~# uptime
[16:30] <lupinedk> 16:29:14 up 134 days, 5:49, 1 user, load average: 0,00, 0,01, 0,05
[16:32] <pierut> 10:32:12 up 19:54, 3 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.05
[16:32] <pierut> ;s
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[16:36] <Coffe> i cant check.. dont have ipv6 here :(
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[16:36] <Coffe> found a server @ work with uptime 1414 today
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[16:40] <gordonDrogon> uptimes?
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> hmm
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> 15:40:37 up 1577 days, 18:46, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[16:40] <Coffe> nice :)
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> that's due for replacement later this year.
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> it's a linux box acting as a router.
[16:41] <IT_Sean> Oh come on... you have to get it to 2000 days. :p
[16:41] <pronto> 10:41:29 up 2139 days, 20:42, 1 user, load average: 0.91, 0.93, 0.90
[16:41] <Coffe> :)
[16:41] <IT_Sean> I tired to get a desktop machine to a full year of uptime once. Accidentally did a soffware update on day 362 :/
[16:41] <IT_Sean> So bloody close.
[16:42] <Coffe> when my pi grows up he will beat all of you :P
[16:42] <pronto> i swear i didnt just: uptime|sed 's/19/2139/'
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[16:46] <gordonDrogon> another year.5 for 2000 days.. Hmm... Well it's one of a pair, so I could replace it's shadow and see what happens :)
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[16:51] <IT_Sean> lol
[16:52] <IT_Sean> Don't do it on my account... I just like nice round uptimes. I'd retire it at 2000 days 00:00
[16:52] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:53] <IT_Sean> My only linux machine always has really low uptimes, as it's a laptop
[16:53] <IT_Sean> 10:53:19 up 1:54, 3 users, load average: 0.16, 0.28, 0.31
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> my desktop is 74 days.
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[16:56] <egrouse> 15:56 up 2 days, 7:56, 1 user, load averages: 2.51 2.21 2.05 my laptop
[16:56] <egrouse> pitiful
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[16:56] <IT_Sean> heh
[16:56] <egrouse> 16:55:41 up 191 days, 3:00, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.03, 0.05
[16:56] <egrouse> server bit better
[16:56] <egrouse> but hey long server uptime is bad :d
[16:56] <IT_Sean> my laptop is barely breaking a sweat at the moment. It's running a couple of Chrome tabs (two work related, and pandora) and IRC. :p
[16:57] <egrouse> :)
[16:57] <egrouse> im in work right now so i have loads of stuff up
[16:57] <egrouse> wew
[16:57] <egrouse> much of which isnt work related, but hey!
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[16:57] <IT_Sean> All our stuff is web based, and i have a desktop PC here as well (Win 7)
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[17:14] <Joeboy> http://www.joebutton.co.uk/blog/baremetal-pi-midi-hardware/
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[17:17] <egrouse> ooo9
[17:17] <egrouse> ooo*
[17:17] <egrouse> whats hte latency like on that
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[17:19] <egrouse> is this your site Joeboy ?
[17:19] <Joeboy> egrouse: ~2ms, if my back of the envelope maths is right, which, um, it could be
[17:19] <Joeboy> yeah
[17:19] <egrouse> im going to bristol on saturday :0
[17:19] <egrouse> to see ed rush
[17:19] <egrouse> 4 hour drive :D
[17:19] <egrouse> but yea cool project man i wanted to do something similar with mine ie a little synth
[17:19] <Joeboy> Do you mention that because my site still says I live there? Cos that's not true anymore if so.
[17:19] <egrouse> never got round to actually doing anything though
[17:20] <egrouse> haha yea i just read it on there
[17:20] <Joeboy> other end of the country (Norwich)
[17:20] <egrouse> it was from a 2009 post or something tho
[17:20] <egrouse> ah cool
[17:20] <egrouse> my gfs brother lives there
[17:20] <egrouse> haha
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[17:20] <Joeboy> egrouse: If you want to do a synth, you could just write an LV2 synth plugin and plug it in
[17:21] <egrouse> yea aye
[17:21] <egrouse> that could be cool
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[17:21] <Joeboy> This is the one in the video: https://github.com/Joeboy/pixperiments/blob/master/pitracker/plugins/piano.lv2/piano.c
[17:21] <Joeboy> Which is frankly a terrible synth, but that's not the point
[17:22] <Joeboy> and you can dev on Linux
[17:23] <Joeboy> (in theory, I haven't actually tried plugging any real LV2 plugins into the pi or vice versa)
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[17:31] <markedathome> anyone got linux 3.8 running on their pi yet?
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[17:42] <dmitri> hi guys
[17:42] <Caleb> dhello
[17:42] <dmitri> maybe somebody could help me
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[17:44] <dmitri> i have my raspberry pi connected to my local network and know its IP, but while connecting via ssh i had an error - 'Connection refused'
[17:44] <dmitri> raspbian wheezy 09.02.2013
[17:44] <dmitri> but no display or tv
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[17:45] <dmitri> i want to setup it via ssh from my laptop
[17:45] <IT_Sean> is SSH enabled on the Pi?
[17:46] <dmitri> how could I know it? somebody said that on last wheezy distrs it's enabled by default
[17:46] <dmitri> maybe i can enable it via my sd card on laptop?
[17:46] <IT_Sean> It may be enabled by default. Depends on the OS. You can pop the SD card into your laptop andcheck the config file
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[17:47] <dmitri> in config file there's nothing about ssh :(
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[17:48] <IT_Sean> There should be a way to enable SSH access via the SD. Never done it myself, though. Sorry. :/
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[17:48] <SixtyFold> cant just enable in the OS the normal way you would on any other linux computer?
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[17:49] <IT_Sean> Not without a screen he can't. :p
[17:49] <SixtyFold> ohh
[17:49] <SixtyFold> my bad, i missed the no screen part
[17:49] <SixtyFold> xD
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[17:50] <dmitri> yep, no screen)
[17:50] <dmitri> only laptop
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[17:51] <dmitri> it is said - "The officially downloadable Raspbian ???wheezy??? image starts the sshd per default."
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[18:05] <hobo> anybody use xbees?
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[18:07] <IT_Sean> dmitri: sure you got the right IP?
[18:07] <dmitri> IT_Sean: yep
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[18:15] <nid0> really really sure?
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[18:18] <bodin> Has anyone manage to get Gitlab up and running using the tutorial https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq/blob/stable/doc/install/installation.md ? Im ending up with a 502 Bad Gateway when im finished with all the steps
[18:18] <pronto> (?????????????????? ?????????
[18:19] <DeliriumTremens> ????????????( ?? _ ?????)
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[18:19] <bodin> :O
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[18:29] <IT_Sean>
[18:29] <pronto>
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[18:31] <IT_Sean> You don't say.
[18:31] <pronto> indeed
[18:32] <|Jeroen|> i don't believe it
[18:32] <IT_Sean> sounds like malarkey to me
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[18:38] <pronto> btw, if anyone here is in central maryland(howard county): http://lists.opensource-md.org/pipermail/omg/2013-February/000102.html the "OMG...opensource-MD" group is having a raspberry pi meeting
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[18:39] <IT_Sean> central MD? Meh... too far north.
[18:39] <pronto> yeah
[18:40] <pronto> north of DC, south of baltimore
[18:40] <pronto> i figure it's kinda of a long shot, but figured i'd menthion it
[18:41] <pronto> also i figure i like to figure things, figuratively
[18:41] <IT_Sean> you figure?
[18:41] <pronto> i figure so
[18:42] <pronto> ...and semantic satiation is slowly starting to take effect
[18:42] <IT_Sean> o_O
[18:43] <pronto> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_satiation
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[18:49] <SwK> gordonDrogon: hey in general whats the license on your code?
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[18:51] <Mortvert> Hm. Is it normal for analog audio out to 'pop' every time i change music source?
[18:51] <SwK> gordonDrogon: looks like lgplv3 lol
[18:51] <Mortvert> There's a rather audible pop every time i switch from one webcast to other
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[18:53] <hobo> is there like an electronics room?
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[18:54] <Joeboy> I think there's a #electronics on freenode
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[19:05] <gordonDrogon> SwK, yea, lgpl v3 for the libraries and examples that use it (although technically the examples ought to be gpl rather than lgpl, but I'm not worying right now)
[19:06] <SwK> gordonDrogon: do you have a problem if I rip off a bit of the q2w.c example for use in MPL1.1 OpenSource?
[19:07] <DeliriumTremens> bridge, y u no come back up
[19:07] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: I'm never sure how much code it's ok to borrow before it becomes infringing. I mean, if you're ripping off the whole thing that's obviously not OK, but if eg. somebody's put something up as a tutorial, surely it's OK to copy and paste bits?
[19:07] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: (thinking more of what I've done with David Welch's stuff than you)
[19:09] <SwK> Joeboy: I just always ask lol, I want to use the code in a FreeSWITCH module, FreeSWITCH is MPL1.1, and I cant use GPL code there, LGPL'd library yes but not GPL
[19:09] <Joeboy> My project involves various bits of code that derive from "found" code with different free/freeish licences, and the licensing is a bit of a concern
[19:09] <Joeboy> Yeah, I emailed one guy whose code I used and he was delighted
[19:09] <SwK> Joeboy: licensing on large projects is always a pain
[19:09] <Joeboy> (I've now rewritten 95% of his code, sadly)
[19:10] <Joeboy> It seems like if you're writing code for educational purposes, you really ought to let people do what they want with it
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[19:11] <SwK> Joeboy: in FreeSWITCH we have about 2.1million lines of code just in the .c files (this includes comments white space etc)??? but a nice chuck of that is 3rd party libs etc??? I did a license audit last year and it was a royal pain
[19:12] <Joeboy> Some of my code is from some random forum post, and is therefore technically unlicensed
[19:13] <Joeboy> I can't imagine this is going to come back and bite me though
[19:13] <SwK> well IANAL as they say, but I have seen some stuff where things like headers are not copyrightable etc...
[19:13] <Joeboy> eventually everything gets refactored / rewritten to the point of unrecognisability
[19:14] <SwK> most OpenSource people wont bug you as long as you are open sourcing it
[19:14] <Joeboy> No, I'm sure nobody intends for it to be a PITA
[19:14] <SwK> there are some Zealots in any group tho that will harass you if you dont use their favorite license???
[19:14] <SwK> oh no you cant use the BSD that lets someone close source it
[19:15] <Joeboy> I think my LICENSE file says something like "GPL unless the individual files say otherwise"
[19:15] <SwK> I prefer the MPL, it lets you close source my work and try to make a few bucks off it, but you cant call it my project, and you need to send me patches
[19:16] <Joeboy> Actually no, it says: https://github.com/Joeboy/pixperiments/blob/master/pitracker/LICENSE
[19:16] <SwK> heh thats pretty close to a standard BSD license
[19:17] <SwK> Joeboy: http://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause
[19:18] <Grievar> isn't the MIT license logically equivalent to the BSD-sans-advertising-clause?
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[19:19] <SwK> Grievar: close??? the 3-clause BSD license dropped the advertising clause many years ago??? the old 4 clause still lingers around tho
[19:19] <Grievar> ..?
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[19:19] <Grievar> what?
[19:19] <SwK> theres 2 BSD licenses
[19:19] <Grievar> yes, I know
[19:19] <SwK> the "old 4 clause" and the new 3 clause
[19:19] <Grievar> thus why I specified "BSD sans advertising clause"
[19:19] <Grievar> as opposed to the old one, with advertising clause
[19:21] <SwK> the MIT is pretty close to the new BSD, the MIT doesnt have the acknowledgment in the documentation clause
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[19:22] <mjr> Indeed. Functionally almost equivalent. Both also GPL-compatible.
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[19:28] <SwK> mjr only 1 way compatible
[19:29] <SwK> you can use BSD in a GPL project, but you cant use GPL in a BSD project
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[19:30] <mjr> that's strictly true, though you can decide that you're fine with the project as a whole moving from BSD to GPL, integrate the GPL code and continue, so it's still compatible
[19:30] <mjr> anyway, that's what compatibility means in this context
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[19:31] <SwK> example I work on an MPL project, you can use my code in your GPL project, but I can not use GPL as I am not willing to relicense to the GPL
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[19:56] <Tachyon`> Mortvert: yes, the analogue audio is known for popping, mine certainly does
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[19:56] <Mortvert> That's kind of annoying.
[19:57] <Tachyon`> there might be software ways around it, like constantly playing silence, I assume it can mix several sound sources
[19:57] <Tachyon`> not that that's particularly elegant, but heh, if it works...
[19:58] <Mortvert> I hope someone will get around to patching that somehow
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[20:08] <Torikun> any arch users here?
[20:08] <Torikun> I been struggeling for days with the latest glibc update, ruins my system
[20:08] <Tea> Torikun: You must make sure you install it with the latest version of 'filesystem'
[20:09] <Torikun> I tried that
[20:09] <Torikun> and rebooted
[20:09] <Torikun> then installed glibc
[20:09] <Torikun> same problem
[20:09] <Tea> You installed filesystem first?
[20:09] <Torikun> Yes
[20:09] <Tea> Yeah that's the problem
[20:09] <Torikun> i first tried pacman -Syuf
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[20:09] <Tea> Never use -f!!
[20:09] <Mortvert> syucide
[20:09] <Torikun> And then I tried it w/o f
[20:10] <Tea> You've already messed it up, I think. filesystem and glibc had to be installed *in the same instance of pacman*
[20:10] <Torikun> what should I do then
[20:10] <Mortvert> start anew
[20:10] <Torikun> pacman -Sy filesystem glibc
[20:10] <Torikun> will that work?
[20:10] <Tea> The nuclear option would be to reflash with the latest image, which should already have the latest version of both
[20:10] <Tea> I suppose it *might* do. I wouldn't expect it to though
[20:11] <Tea> Try it, see what happens
[20:11] <Tea> If it still messes up, you'll have to reflash
[20:11] <Torikun> I originally did an upgrade to the OS with pacman -Syuf
[20:12] <Tea> With Arch you must keep up to date with the news. Before you confirm an -Syu just check the website for announcements regarding this sort of thing. They make it quite clear that the two packages must be installed together.
[20:12] * IT_Sean votes for the nuclear option
[20:12] <Tea> Yes, never use -f and and never use --force. That is suicide.
[20:12] <Torikun> what does it do
[20:12] <Torikun> (2/2) upgrading glibc [######################################] 100%
[20:12] <Torikun> call to execv failed (No such file or directory)
[20:12] <Tea> Yep. Nuclear option time.
[20:12] <Tea> Hope there was nothing important on your card
[20:12] <Torikun> oh just a bunch of servers!
[20:12] <Torikun> and this znc session
[20:13] <Torikun> -bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory
[20:13] <Torikun> lol
[20:13] <Tea> Yeah.
[20:13] <Tea> Well, plug the SD card into another machine and salvage those configs
[20:13] <Tea> Then reflash. Then *keep up with the Arch news in future*.
[20:13] <Torikun> i never had issues with -f before
[20:14] <Tea> --forces FORCES the operation to continue, ignoring file conflicts and replacing old files with new ones
[20:14] <Torikun> https://www.archlinux.org/news/update-filesystem-201301-1-and-glibc-217-2-together/
[20:14] <Tea> You shouldn't do it unless, like the glibc update last year, are told to by the Arch announcements
[20:15] <Tea> Or in otherwise exceptional circumstances
[20:15] <Torikun> I an reflash to a point before this and try again with out -f
[20:15] <Torikun> I am sure it will happen again
[20:15] <Tea> No, just make sure filesystem and glibc are upgraded at the same time and there should be no issue
[20:15] <Tea> Otherwise, use the latest image which has this change already made
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> SwK, sure - I'd appreciate a mention somewhere though.
[20:16] <Torikun> That is what pacman -Syu does
[20:16] <Torikun> does it all together
[20:16] <scummos_angry> Torikun: wait wait, I know that one
[20:16] <scummos_angry> I had it too
[20:16] <scummos_angry> it's easy to fix
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> SwK, lglpv3 doesn't stop you doing that, as long as you publish your own sources.
[20:16] <Torikun> how scummos_angry
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[20:16] <scummos_angry> first tell me what you did exactly
[20:16] <Torikun> I tried a big update with pacman -Syuf
[20:16] <Torikun> then that did not work
[20:16] <Torikun> so then I tried excluding glibc
[20:16] <scummos_angry> you used f in a system upgrade ._.
[20:16] <Torikun> and update everything else
[20:17] <scummos_angry> ok let's assume that did *not* break everything
[20:17] <Tea> scummos_angry: `ls` is giving him no file or directory. He broke everything.
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[20:17] <scummos_angry> Tea: I already fixed that error on my system ;)
[20:17] <scummos_angry> ok, you deleted the /lib link by removing glibc
[20:17] <scummos_angry> you have to recreate it
[20:17] <scummos_angry> then everything will work again, and you can pacman -Sf filesystem
[20:17] <scummos_angry> which will overwrite your manually created link with the right one
[20:18] <markedathome> Mortvert: popping only occurs on the audio jack as far as I know.
[20:18] <Tea> Torikun: This is an exception circumstance in which you're allowed to use -f
[20:18] <Torikun> ah
[20:18] <scummos_angry> but never do -Syuf :D
[20:18] <markedathome> usb and hdmi audio should have no issues
[20:18] <IT_Sean> I hear the occasional POP over HDMI audio, actually, on my Pi
[20:18] <Torikun> scummos_angry: ty
[20:18] <Tea> Never do -f full stop unless you have the go ahead either by your own judgement or in a situation like this
[20:19] <SwK> gordonDrogon: definately will credit you, it still uses wiringPi heh??? will post the code and schematics shortly
[20:19] <markedathome> IT_Sean: as in switching audio on, or whilst playing?
[20:19] <scummos_angry> Tea: actually almost nothing is broken, the system is only missing one single symlink ;)
[20:19] <IT_Sean> as in switching audio on
[20:19] <scummos_angry> but with rather fatal consequences
[20:19] <IT_Sean> once it's on, HDMI audio is flawless.
[20:19] <SwK> USB audio can have issues...
[20:19] <IT_Sean> scummos_angry: that's like saying "well, he's perfect. Just missing half his brain".
[20:20] <Tea> scummos_angry: Interesting. I hadn't run into the problem before so I repent for presenting Torikun with the nuclear launch button.
[20:20] <scummos_angry> IT_Sean: it just means it's easy to fix
[20:20] * markedathome ___/------------ <-- wonderful ascii art of representation of audacity profile of silence from audio jack...
[20:20] <|Jeroen|> lool
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[20:20] <scummos_angry> Tea: the problem is that the ELF interpreter is in /lib/...
[20:20] <odin_> how do I add kernel param to /boot/config.txt ? is there a man page for this file ?
[20:20] <scummos_angry> Tea: and if you remove the /lib directory, then everything will give you "no such file or directory"
[20:20] <scummos_angry> i.e. you cannot execute any ELF binary, since the interpreter is missing
[20:20] <SwK> odin_: just edit the file with your favorite editor
[20:20] <Tea> aye
[20:21] <scummos_angry> but from a live system it's trivial to fix: just restore the symlink
[20:21] <markedathome> usb audio tends to lag a bit, around 100ms/or frames (can't remember which, and I don't have audio out of my usb audio adapter at the moment - 5quid dynamode job from PCW)
[20:21] <SwK> odin_: but kernel options go in /boot/cmdline.txt
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[20:21] <scummos_angry> Tea: I would never have guessed if I didn't have that exact problem ;)
[20:21] <odin_> SwK, ah ha... /boot/cmdline.txt
[20:22] <markedathome> so all in all, don't do an upgrade at the moment? or wait until 3.8 gets put in raspbian?
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[20:22] <odin_> I have installed kernel module bcm2708_wdog, then 'watchdog' DEB package and started it ... but strace on the watchdog process shows no activity on /dev/watchdog, the "lsmod" shows no module use reference count up by one
[20:22] <SwK> markedathome: have you tried restricting the usb to 1.1 to see if that makes a difference? made a world of difference for me on USB audio in and out
[20:23] <odin_> the config file /etc/watchdog.conf has "#watchdog-device = /dev/watchdog" and /dev/watchdog does exist
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[20:23] <odin_> man page for 'watchdog' indicate it uses /dev/watchdog" by default, so what gives
[20:24] <markedathome> no, I have recently changed something to sms*=N in /boot/c* to force better ethernet/disk behaviour, yet to see what happens to the audio
[20:24] <ParkerR> Is there a kernel module that has to be loaded?
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[20:24] <ParkerR> @ odin_
[20:24] <ParkerR> Try sudo modprobe wat<tab><tab>
[20:25] <odin_> lsmod => "bcm2708_wdog 3546 0" ... dmesg | tail => [16003.132336] bcm2708 watchdog, heartbeat=10 sec (nowayout=0)
[20:25] <ParkerR> Aha
[20:25] <odin_> this was done, maybe 5 '/etc/init.d/watchdog restart' ago
[20:25] <ParkerR> So maybe modprobe bcm2708_wdog
[20:25] <ParkerR> Or that too
[20:25] <ParkerR> Not sure
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[20:27] <odin_> yes yes I did this already as per my first comment, read the comment for I talk of /etc/watchdog.conf
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[20:28] <odin_> no I 'strace -p <pid>' my running /usr/sbin/watchdog process, and it only does 3 syscalls (every second for over 2 minutes, no activity with /dev/watchdog)
[20:28] <Torikun> scummos_angry: I see /lib is missing
[20:28] <odin_> really funny as it does not use read() for any data.. here.... nanosleep({0, 500000000}, NULL) = 0; open("/proc/uptime", O_RDONLY) = 1; close(1) = 0'
[20:28] <Torikun> reflashing my sd card
[20:28] <Torikun> and will upgrade the os without -f
[20:29] <Torikun> i know it will fail again =)
[20:29] <Torikun> good thing I had backup before this lol
[20:29] <odin_> over and over, once per second every second, those 3 syscalls... but I do not have "max-load-X" config enabled in /etc/watchdog.conf and it does not read() the data from /proc/uptime so this seems like useful context switches
[20:30] <odin_> *useless
[20:30] <scummos_angry> Torikun: just recreating the symlink and continuing the update would have been enough...
[20:30] <scummos_angry> no need for the backup
[20:30] <Torikun> i tried linking /lib to usr/lib and i could not chroot in
[20:31] <odin_> ok now I uncommented "#watchdog-device = /dev/watchdog" in /etc/watchdog.conf, I can see it has /dev/watchdog open doing what it should
[20:31] <Torikun> so when I boot it next, I need to pacman -Syu filesystem glibc
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[20:31] <Torikun> and should be good?
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[20:32] <odin_> how do I update entry at pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/post/001-who-watches-the-watcher ? this seems to be the semi-official instructions on this matter
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[20:33] <Torikun> scummos_angry: ?
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[20:35] <odin_> maybe gordonDrogon runs gadgetoid.co.uk ?
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[20:38] <gordonDrogon> alas no.
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> That's run by gadgetoid.
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[20:38] <odin_> maybe you know their IRC nick ?
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> he's the chap who's done the wiringPi wrappers for Ruby, Python and a few others IIRC.
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[20:39] <gordonDrogon> his irc nick is Gadgetoid - but I've not seen him online for a while now ...
[20:39] <Joeboy> gadgetoid is a local to me
[20:39] <odin_> ok thanks anyway
[20:39] <scummos_angry> Torikun: yes, after reboot do pacman -Sf filesystem
[20:39] <Torikun> not glibc?
[20:39] <Joeboy> I expect I'll see him on March 9th
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[21:15] <Joeboy> whoa, why did nobody tell me about https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv ?
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[21:18] <_pash> hello i am trying to set up my sound to work with analog. after sshing onto pi i get this error: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/30588/
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[21:20] <KillmeSoftly> hello
[21:20] <KillmeSoftly> I just got my model b raspberry pi and i have a question about getting power to it
[21:21] <KillmeSoftly> i have a microusb cable that i use for my nexus 7..and the plugin for it says output is 5V is that enough to power the pi?
[21:21] <pronto> it should be
[21:21] <sco`> Hi what was the latest with the rpi overclocking... with the newer kernels am i right in thinking its dynamic? e.g. ondemand ?? can i still specify the frequencies in the config.txt though ?
[21:21] <pronto> i use cellphone chargers for my rpi
[21:22] <_pash> hello i am trying to set up my sound to work with analog. after sshing onto pi i get this error: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/30588/
[21:22] <HoldenC> _pash, cat /proc/asound/{cards,pcm}
[21:22] <KillmeSoftly> will it harm my raspberry pi if i try to power it with this?
[21:22] <KillmeSoftly> and it doesn't work i mean...will it harm it in anyway?
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[21:23] <pronto> not that i know of, mine's been running off a few differnt cellphone chargers for a few weeks now
[21:23] <pronto> also...
[21:23] <hobo> it should work
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[21:23] <KillmeSoftly> okay thank you
[21:23] <KillmeSoftly> sorry dude im very new to this device.
[21:23] <pronto> KillmeSoftly: no worries, i was just listenting to your nickname
[21:24] <IT_Sean> KillmeSoftly: as long as the power supply you are using is 5v DC, it will not harm your raspi. As long as it is capable of delivering a minimum of 750mA, your Pi should work properly.
[21:24] * IT_Sean kills KillmeSoftly softly
[21:25] <KillmeSoftly> ok thanks guys appreciate it
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[21:26] <HoldenC> sco`, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Overclocking
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[21:28] <pronto> http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro this should be included with the rpi >.> also included with ubuntu
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[21:31] <sco`> thx HoldenC:
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[21:34] <markedathome> _pash: you don't appear to have a sound card according to ALSA at hw=0,0 have you done modprobe snd_usb_audio and snd_bcm2835?
[21:34] <odin_> ok what is best resource over android on Raspberry Pi ? i.e. I want to use my 512Mb device as my first android, I also want a touchscreen, someone sent me a link so such item for reasonable price
[21:36] <markedathome> disnae work, captin. http://androidpi.wikia.com Check out #razdroid, for a 4.x android build
[21:37] <odin_> http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/~/product/category=3094861&id=14647624 ... 10" LCD LVDS bundle with capacitive touchscreen and ambient light sensor (RaspberryPi)
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[21:46] <_pash> markedathome: got it to work, didnt have the user added to the audio group
[21:46] <_pash> is it worth creating a user on the rasp? or just do everythng in root may be more useful?
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[21:48] <markedathome> use a default user as pi, as most distributions seem to :-)
[21:48] <nid0> I just do everything as root, if you're using raspbian you do need to enable root and delete the pi user tho
[21:48] <markedathome> or at least change the password away from raspberry
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[21:49] <_pash> i am using arch
[21:50] <plugwash> are any raspbian users here suffering problems with the videocore libraries not being found after updating to the latest libc6 packages from raspbian?
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[21:55] <voyo> hi. i have a question- can I put rbpi in standby/sleep mode, and then what event can wake it up? can we use some signal on gpio ? (or i2c or spi configured on it)
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> voyo, you can reboot it from a halt state but I don't think there is sleep/hibernate modes.
[21:59] <voyo> is this typical halt state, when cpu is doing nop ? but I think it still drains a lot of power ?
[22:00] <nid0> define "a lot", the pi uses ~2w when fully up and running with no usb devices plugged in
[22:00] <voyo> a lot > 500mA
[22:00] <voyo> :)
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[22:01] <voyo> Im thinkin about running it on batteries
[22:01] <hobo> what kind of batteries?
[22:01] <nid0> the pi never uses >500mA if you dont have usb devices plugged in
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> get big batteries and budget a 2W drain.
[22:02] <voyo> with addition of something able to be yet more energy-efficient as "master" device
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[22:02] <voyo> small and cheap bateries, like 4*AAA
[22:02] <granjero> hi, got keyboard isuues.... low or none response at all... runnig raspbian power supple 5V 1.2A
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> you might save some juice with a Model A and replae the 3.3v regulator with a SMPS one.
[22:03] <voyo> thats why I tought about puting my rbpi in sleep mode, and wake it up only if needed.
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> voyo, single digit hours run-time on AA's.
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> if you need low power then move to ATmega...
[22:04] <IT_Sean> voyo: if you use 4 AAAs you will need to regulate it to 5v
[22:04] <IT_Sean> and your runtime will be Quite Short
[22:04] <voyo> gordonDrogon : Im using MSP430, but as I said - Im thinking about cooperation with PI
[22:04] <pronto> https://twitter.com/TSAgov/status/304692346308673536 ohman, i love this twitter account
[22:04] <voyo> IT_Sean : yup , exatcly, thats why Im thinking about sleep/standby mode
[22:05] <IT_Sean> How long to you plan it to last?
[22:05] <voyo> a year ? or more
[22:05] <IT_Sean> A year? On 4 AAAs? Is this in the real world, or in magical fairy land?
[22:05] * IT_Sean lols
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> sprinkle liberally with magic fairy dust...
[22:06] <voyo> thats why Im asking about sleep/standby mode. you know what is that ?
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> I have an atmega that's been running since june on a 3.3v lithium...
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> voyo, it does not support sleep or standby.
[22:06] <IT_Sean> I know what it is. And there is NO way you are getting a year of usable Pi power out of AAAs.
[22:06] <hobo> ^
[22:06] <voyo> gordonDrogon : ok, thats shame :(
[22:07] <voyo> IT_Sean : running it "normally" - yes, I know that..
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> the SoC was designed as a set-top-box SoC, so no need for that sort of stuff when you're plugged into the mains all the time.
[22:07] <voyo> yup. I touhgt maybe it can sleep ;)
[22:07] <voyo> always better to ask, right guys?
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> sure.
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[22:08] <gordonDrogon> My sky box uses 4 watts when running.... and 4 watts when in standby mode )-:
[22:08] <voyo> lol not standby ;)
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> Yea, 10th June 2012 when I put the battery into the Atmega :)
[22:08] <markedathome> well there is sleeping, and then there is comatose...
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> it's one of these: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/bigtime-watch-kit-p-940.html
[22:09] <voyo> gordonDrogon : learn about msp430 or new PIC's , drains nano wats .. :) 3v3 battery lasts 10years...
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[22:10] <gordonDrogon> voyo, hate PICs.
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[22:11] <voyo> me too, thats why Im using msp430. you can buy devkit (Launchpad) fpr 4$
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> voyo, this is watch with a big 4-digit LED display on it. Even a PIC won't last long running that all the time....
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> yea, seen those. no real world use for them. locked into microsoft. dev tools. no thanks.
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[22:12] <voyo> http://www.ti.com/ww/en/launchpad/msp430_head.html
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[22:12] <voyo> ?? M$ tools? are you kidding
[22:13] <voyo> you can use gcc if you want
[22:13] <|Jeroen|> its apple$ now
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> voyo, I really don't care for them. I have enough with Pi & atmega right now.
[22:14] <voyo> sure
[22:14] <Joeboy> Fully appreciate the "not enough time" issue, but I think the msp430 is cool, and you can totally use gcc on it
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[22:15] <Joeboy> The power usage is ridiculously low
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:16] <voyo> I like it because of fact I bought evaluation kit for 4$, can use it as programmer, debuger, got two MCU , extremaly high price/value ratio
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[22:16] <voyo> I can't understand why it is not as popular as andruino...
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[22:17] <gordonDrogon> because the arduino has been doing its thing for a lot longer.
[22:17] <voyo> mby... not sure
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> and people don't like change. why learn something new when atmega/pic will do?
[22:18] <Mortvert> Chips for arduino are easy to come by
[22:18] <voyo> I think its just better marketing. and probably a late product. dont know..
[22:18] <Mortvert> And you can make yer arduino from scratch
[22:19] <Mortvert> It's pretty much open-source, with PCB layouts and whatnot
[22:19] <Joeboy> You can make an msp430 based board from scratch too
[22:19] <voyo> but such kit is far more expensive than Launchpad (even when DIY), and is not better
[22:20] <voyo> Imho TI just screwed with marketing.. shame.
[22:20] <Mortvert> voyo - arduino's been around for quite a bit longer than launchpad
[22:21] <Joeboy> It's cool that the more open thing is winning
[22:21] <Mortvert> Joeboy - isn't 90% of stuff open for arduino?
[22:21] <Joeboy> Yeah, that's what I mean
[22:21] <Mortvert> if not 100%
[22:21] <Joeboy> arduino is open, and is winning
[22:22] <voyo> same for launchpad, you can even use kits for arduino (with proper 5v-3v converter)
[22:22] <Joeboy> technically, the msp430 is OK though
[22:22] <Joeboy> and also openish
[22:23] <voyo> btw Launchpad can talk directly to RBPI, (same 3v3), while for arduino you need converter from 5v
[22:23] <Mortvert> voyo - And? :p
[22:23] <voyo> lol nothing. just btw.
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[22:24] <gordonDrogon> I have an arduino that runs at 3.3v.
[22:24] * IT_Sean pins a "Cpt. Obvious" on voyo's shirt
[22:24] <voyo> tnx :P
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> it has a little switch on the side of it.
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> technically it's a seeeduino mega, but ...
[22:25] <voyo> so its not orginal arduino :P
[22:26] <Joeboy> I heard the arduino was 1% horsemeat
[22:26] <IT_Sean> Joeboy: up to 2% if you buy it in the UK.
[22:27] <voyo> what it does mean? Im not native english speaker
[22:27] <voyo> horsemeat
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[22:27] <IT_Sean> voyo: horsemeat. meat... from a horse.
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[22:27] <IT_Sean> you know... the big animal... usually seen on farms...
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[22:27] <Joeboy> voyo: Literally, the meat of a horse. It was a joke about the newpapers being full of stories about horsemeat being found in beef products here.
[22:28] <Joeboy> cos we're a bit weird about eating horses in the UK
[22:28] <IT_Sean> could have been worse. Could have been squirrel meat. ... or people meat.
[22:28] <voyo> kk I see
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[22:28] <Joeboy> Yeah, still waiting for "Human flesh in iceland ready meals"
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[22:28] <voyo> lol
[22:28] <Joeboy> Sure it's just a matter of time
[22:28] <IT_Sean> If anyone did, it would be iceland.
[22:29] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:29] * Mortvert coughs
[22:29] <double-you> look for soylent green ;)
[22:29] <IT_Sean> you okay there Mortvert ?
[22:29] <Mortvert> It's already been done in polish kabobs
[22:29] <Joeboy> voyo: We have a frozen foods supermarket here weirdly called "iceland", btw
[22:29] <voyo> I dont have time for newspaper or TV , but yeah, I heard something recently..
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[22:29] <IT_Sean> HAHA!
[22:29] <IT_Sean> epic.
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[22:30] * voyo is from Poland...
[22:30] * IT_Sean isn't
[22:30] <voyo> btw kabobs are not from Poland. its Turkish.
[22:30] <Mortvert> voyo - w kebabie znalezli
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[22:31] <Mortvert> gdziestam iles lat temu
[22:31] <Mortvert> /polish
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[22:31] <IT_Sean> keep it to English please, if you don't mind. It's the official channel language.
[22:31] <voyo> a to nie wiedzialem. ale zjad?bym jesli by smakowa?o tak samo jak krowa :P
[22:31] <IT_Sean> If you don't speak English, we cannot tell if you are talking about us.
[22:31] <IT_Sean> ;)
[22:31] <Mortvert> We're not. Soylent green, you know.
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[22:32] <voyo> I said I could eat horsemeat if it taste like normal cow :P
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[22:32] <IT_Sean> I bet you it doesn't
[22:32] <IT_Sean> Probably tastes of horse.
[22:33] <IT_Sean> would be my guess.
[22:33] <voyo> and what is taste of horse? :P
[22:33] <IT_Sean> Horse. clearly.
[22:33] <voyo> rotfl
[22:33] <Mortvert> It tastes of NEIGH
[22:34] <IT_Sean> ... that was just poor, Mortvert.
[22:34] <Mortvert> I know. Just horsing around.
[22:34] * IT_Sean groans
[22:34] <Joeboy> such a nag
[22:35] * IT_Sean groans again
[22:35] <voyo> lol
[22:35] * IT_Sean throws a peanut at Joeboy
[22:35] <Mortvert> IT_Sean - don't be such a foal.
[22:35] <debenham> rein in in chaps
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[22:36] <IT_Sean> Alright guys... stop beating a dead horse.
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[22:36] <[diecast]> raspi on cover of nuts n volts this month - http://www.nutsvolts.com/
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[22:36] <[diecast]> the new $25 w/o ethernet is being showcased.
[22:37] <IT_Sean> I prefer the raspi that's on my TV stand. :p
[22:37] <IT_Sean> But, awesome for the Model A being showcased.
[22:37] <Mortvert> I wish that they could make the PCB for A little smaller.
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[22:37] <TAFB_afk> wow, that's sweet: http://www.nutsvolts.com/index.php?/blog/post/transparent_oled_display_module
[22:37] <IT_Sean> Mortvert: the A uses the same PCB as the B to keep costs down
[22:38] <[diecast]> TAFB_afk: yea, those are really cool. they are expensive though
[22:39] <Mortvert> IT_Sean - doesn't that mean that we could solder on the components that are missing and use them as ver b?
[22:39] <IT_Sean> you would need some fine soldering equipment, and a pick 'n place, but, in theory, yeah. Someone's done the reverse... make an A from a B.
[22:40] <IT_Sean> Making a B from an A would be more expensive, in the end, than just buying a B
[22:40] <Mortvert> A good soldering excerciese i guess
[22:40] <IT_Sean> a neigh impossible one. The tolerances are tiny for the ethernet controller
[22:40] <voyo> they could also made C version, w/o hdmi and RCA and audio . makes sense for thos one who needs B version ;)
[22:41] <Mortvert> I still wish for a Rpi with VGA output
[22:41] <IT_Sean> voyo: no benefit
[22:41] <voyo> VGA is discontinued
[22:41] <Mortvert> Not really.
[22:41] <IT_Sean> The HDMI and composite are built into the SoC. Breaking out the ports costs peanuts. There would be no real savings.
[22:41] <voyo> IT_Sean : still yet 1-2$ less :P
[22:41] <IT_Sean> Not even that much.
[22:42] <Mortvert> We're thinking $0.50 i think
[22:42] <voyo> just without ports
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[22:42] <IT_Sean> Yeah, were talking cents, not dollars.
[22:42] <IT_Sean> Not worth the added cost of marketing, stocking, and producting a new version.
[22:42] <IT_Sean> It would end up COSTING the foundation, in the end.
[22:43] <voyo> also you would be able to cut a PCB a little (yourself)
[22:43] <IT_Sean> probably not. There are other traces in the way.
[22:43] <voyo> yes, probably you right
[22:43] <IT_Sean> The raspi is about as tiny as it can get, at the moment, without costing A LOT more.
[22:45] * plugwash notes that the foundation won't tell us what they actually pay for parts
[22:45] <Mortvert> I wish that the foundation would change the chinese producer
[22:46] <Mortvert> Bad luck with 'em i say.
[22:46] <plugwash> I do know that connectors are often a surprisingly expensive part of a design
[22:46] <voyo> why so ?
[22:46] <TAFB_afk> my two undercooked Pi's were from china :( paid more for a UK one off ebay and it's been flawless.
[22:46] <chithead> vga is not dead yet, but will no longer be on mainstream computing devices in less than 5 years http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/01/20/167248/vga-and-dvi-ports-to-be-phased-out-over-next-5-years
[22:47] <voyo> is a difference between rbpi made in china and in uk ?
[22:47] <TAFB_afk> quality of the solder? probably. that's about the only one.
[22:47] <voyo> dont know the origin of my PIs..
[22:48] <TAFB_afk> it says right on them ;)
[22:48] <Mortvert> check on the board
[22:48] <TAFB_afk> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi_problem_made_in_china.jpg
[22:48] <TAFB_afk> watch out for the sticker
[22:48] <IT_Sean> plugwash: true, they are expensive, but, when you buy in massive bulk, the price can come down considerably. I used to work for a device mfgr.
[22:48] <Mortvert> And yes, quality of solder.
[22:48] <Mortvert> Why, TAFB_afk?
[22:48] <|Jeroen|> witch one are from china ?
[22:49] <|Jeroen|> the RS one's
[22:49] <TAFB_afk> it was just a joke, they put a "made in china" over the made in UK writing.
[22:49] <voyo> I dont have such stickers from china.
[22:49] <|Jeroen|> do they even make electronic stuff in UK?
[22:49] <TAFB_afk> the PCB's were printed in the UK, but ended up getting shipped to china for assembly/soldering, hence they had to put a sticker over the made in UK
[22:50] <Mortvert> Oh jesus
[22:50] <Mortvert> My brain is on vacation
[22:50] <Mortvert> how do i start/stop services again?
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[22:50] <TAFB_afk> Sony's UK plant was originally going to make all the Pi's, but they couldn't keep up/could do it cheaper in China. There's a youtube video about the Sony UK plant.
[22:50] <nid0> service xxxx stop/start
[22:51] <Mortvert> I mean, from the /etc/???? folder
[22:51] <plugwash> RS make all their Pis in china
[22:51] <nid0> then /etc/init.d/xxxx stop/start
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[22:51] <plugwash> Farnell make some at the sony plant in the UK but were also using manufacturing in china, i'm not sure if that is still the case or not
[22:51] <|Jeroen|> why is sony involved with the pi's?
[22:51] <nid0> because sony make electronic things
[22:52] <|Jeroen|> yeah but why in the UK
[22:52] <nid0> why not?
[22:52] <|Jeroen|> its to expensive
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[22:52] <nid0> well the fact that the pi's price didnt change from when it was being made in china to when it was being made in the uk says its clearly not
[22:53] <Joeboy> It might just reflect that the volume of sales meant lower margins were acceptable
[22:54] <|Jeroen|> the uk where probably just tests
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[22:54] <nid0> er no, farnell moved all their production from china to the uk
[22:54] <Joeboy> Oh ok
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[22:54] <nid0> that was @ |Jeroen|
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[22:55] <Joeboy> Oh ok
[22:55] <|Jeroen|> strange
[22:55] <nid0> the fact that farnell ended up selling a *lot* more pi's than originally expected probably did help with bringing production to the uk, yes
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[22:55] <nid0> i'm assuming the foundation also found a way to mitigate/avoid the tax issue
[22:57] <voyo> customs rather, not tax.
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[22:57] <plugwash> I notice that the foundation never said just how bad the customs issue was
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[22:57] <plugwash> IIRC it was never their main reason for not manufacturing in the uk, it was just a side disadvantage
[22:57] <voyo> maybe becasue they are "the fundation" they dont need to pay customs? no idea..
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[23:06] <sco`> force_turbo=0 in config.txt is what enables ondemand ? if i "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" i get ondemand but if i " cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq" i get 70000 (i am doing heavy stuff when testing) .... do i have to set arm_freq=100000 for scaling_max_freq to show the increase ?? (soz if this has been asked a million times already)
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[23:09] <xiambax-laptop> Alo
[23:09] <xiambax-laptop> I made the mistake of buying two class 10 kingston cards. not impressed
[23:11] <xtaylor> i went with samsung class 6
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[23:13] <xiambax-laptop> I have a few small cards, one, two and four gigs
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[23:14] <|Jeroen|> i use old cheap 2g cards
[23:14] <|Jeroen|> works perfect for a media center
[23:14] <voyo> xbmc ?
[23:16] <|Jeroen|> uhu
[23:16] <|Jeroen|> openelec
[23:16] <hobo> do you get 1080p working nicely?
[23:17] <cody_> hey girls
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[23:17] <cody_> look at my car
[23:17] <|Jeroen|> yeah works out of the box
[23:17] <cody_> http://www.abload.de/img/20130221_001huey5.jpg
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[23:18] <voyo> cody_ : what it is capable of ? what reason for rbpi
[23:18] <sraue> with a i7 your car will be faster?
[23:18] <cody_> i can control it via wlan with my android tablet
[23:19] <cody_> and i will add a webcam
[23:19] <voyo> kk
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[23:19] <sraue> hehe a spycar?
[23:19] <voyo> how long it runs on batteries ?
[23:19] <cody_> but the real reason is i have a rpi and a car
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[23:20] <|Jeroen|> lol a voyojeur car
[23:20] <cody_> i think the rpi batterys run 3h
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[23:20] <cody_> but the driving battery doesnt
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[23:20] <voyo> separate batteries for rbpi and car engine ?
[23:21] <cody_> yes i didnt have a voltage regulator thats strong enough
[23:21] <cody_> the rpi crashed when the motor started
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[23:21] <Torikun> oi
[23:22] <voyo> try LM7905 and decent capacitor
[23:22] <Torikun> just reloaded arch lol
[23:22] <cody_> und of course the battery sucks anyway, i got it from a vacuum cleaner
[23:22] <hobo> can you use java on rpi?
[23:22] <cody_> ok voyo
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[23:24] <voyo> cody_ : I mean 7805 , for +5V , not -5V
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[23:32] <gordonDrogon> I've powered a Pi using a 7805 off 6 x AA's.
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> it gets hot, but I needed 9v for the motors I was also driving.
[23:32] <hobo> how long was the battery life?
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> about 2 hours.
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> if I didn't move the robot much :)
[23:33] <cody_> probably no high-speed-motor
[23:34] <cody_> it draws so much power that voltage goes below 6v sometimes
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[23:35] <voyo> gordonDrogon : you wasted lots of power for heating (9V -> 5V ) , 5*AA should be fine, also try with 4*AA , if you can build stabilizator on LM317
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[23:36] <voyo> ah you need 9V for motors, oki.
[23:37] <voyo> but maybe you can move out a wire from 4 batteries, not from all of them,
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> voyo I had 9v motors.
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> voyo, and yes, I know I was wasting power but I didn't have an SMPS to hand. This was just for a quick hack/demo.
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/adafruit-protoplate-for-the-rasbperry-pi/
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[23:39] <voyo> gordonDrogon : maybe you can just solder additional wire to 4th battery ?
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> can't be bothered.
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[23:39] <plugwash> voyo, the trouble with using shorter strings of batteries is that your voltage drops as they discharge
[23:40] <plugwash> if you use 4xAA then even with an ultra low dropout regulator the batteries don't have to discharge much before the reg goes into dropout
[23:40] <voyo> hm. yup true
[23:40] <plugwash> IMO a long string an a switcher is the only sane way to go
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[23:40] <hobo> anybody use xbees?
[23:41] <cody_> i use xbees
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[23:42] <hobo> with rpi
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[23:42] <cody_> no:)
[23:42] <hobo> :(
[23:43] <voyo> btw I wonder what is reason why rbpi needs 5V if its running on 3v3... there should be alternative way power
[23:43] <cody_> but it shouldnt make a difference with what kind of board you use it
[23:43] <cody_> 5v is for usb and hdmi
[23:43] <voyo> maybe it is possible to power it with 3v3 using gpio pins? does anyone tried that ?
[23:44] <voyo> yup.. but I wonder it it will work (without usb&hdmi) when powered trough gpio for 3v3
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[23:48] <gordonDrogon> I've used the ciseco radios wth the pi but only the usb ones.
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[23:48] <gordonDrogon> Pi needs 5v
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> as well as 3.3
[23:49] <cody_> but 3.3v may be enough to power just the 3.3v stuff
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[23:49] <plugwash> 5V is also used to power the switcher that powers the core
[23:50] <plugwash> though I don't think that is too fussy about voltage, I suspect if you don't need the HDMI and USB ports you could remove the 3.3V regulator, replace it with a wire and then run the pi off 3.3V
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[23:51] <cody_> but you dont need to power the 3.3v regulator, you can just use the 3.3v pins
[23:51] <cody_> maybe
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[23:56] <voyo> cody_ : yeah Im thinking same
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