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IRC Log for 2013-02-22

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[0:00] <plugwash> if you just power the 3.3V pins then either the core won't get power at all or it will only get it through backfeeding a regulator which is not generally considered a good thing
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[0:00] <plugwash> better to remove the 3.3V reg and replace it with a wire if you want a 3.3V powered Pi
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[0:13] <uriah> hello... I'm having problems with my pi's ethernet device, whereas the network stalls after about 500kb are transferred... has anyone experienced this before?
[0:15] <hobo> nope
[0:15] <hobo> but the default question is: how is your pi powered
[0:17] <uriah> hobo, with a phone charger. 850mA
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[0:19] <uriah> it's able to power the pi and a USB WiFi dongle fine... the dongle isn't connected atm.
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[0:22] <uriah> hobo, should I try a more powerful PSU?
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[0:22] <hobo> well it should be fine, but i dunno
[0:22] <hobo> might be the dongle?
[0:22] <hobo> what is it
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[0:23] <martk100> Has anyone managed to get xbmc working with a touchscreen?
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[0:25] <uriah> hobo, it's a charger for my xperia mini. I'll try someone else's 1A charger...
[0:26] <hobo> it might be your wifi dongle? which one do you have
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[0:31] <uriah> hobo, nah, this is with the onboard ethernet
[0:31] <hobo> oh
[0:33] <hobo> what kind of files?
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[0:37] <uriah> hobo you mean what kind of files am I downloading? anything, from ssh to ping, to updating packages. it doesn't change a thing :-S
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[0:41] <hobo> weird...
[0:41] <hobo> what os?
[0:43] <hobo> can't say i know anything about the problem
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[0:46] <Mortvert> How do i stop things from running at boot?
[0:46] <uriah> hobo, arch. I guess I could try raspbian
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[0:48] <hobo> yeah, seems like a weird problem
[0:48] <hobo> would think it might be sd card, but i doubt it
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[0:58] <uriah> hobo, same problem with a different sd card running raspbian
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[1:00] <hobo> then i have no idea :S
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[1:01] <hobo> ugh why don't more peopl have documented stuff with xbees and Rpi :(
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[2:35] <oconnore> Hi, I'm trying to put a wireless access point into Monitor mode with iwconfig, and keep getting "Device or resource busy". This typically occurs when NetworkManager is grabbing the device, but I don't have NetworkManager running or installed. Any idea what else could be causing this error message?
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[2:37] <chithead> oconnore: interface must be down in order to change to monitor mode
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[2:39] <gschanuel> hello :)
[2:39] <gschanuel> does anyone here got raspi+xbmc+wiimote working?
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[2:40] <gschanuel> i have a sensorbar, with "wminput -c ir_ptr -d -w" i get it workig, but cursor is laggy
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[2:41] <SwK> wiringPi rocks btw
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[2:43] <oconnore> chithead: yes, it is down
[2:43] <oconnore> I am doing: ifconfig wlan0 down; iwconfig wlan0 mode Monitor -> "Device or resource busy"
[2:44] <chithead> some services will occasionally bring up the interface behind the user's back, in order to scan for networks etc.
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[2:44] <oconnore> chithead: do you know of any services like that on the raspian distro?
[2:45] <SwK> wont the dhcp client fo that when you arent looking?
[2:45] <chithead> wpa_supplicant
[2:45] <oconnore> chithead: ps -A | grep wpa -> ""
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[2:46] <npm> on latest upgrade, says "lxde" has been kept back. So did "apt-get install lxde" and it tries to install many uneeded packages, e.g. mobile-broadband-provider-info modemmanager network-manager network-manager-gnome obexd-client policykit-1-gnome pppusb-modeswitch usb-modeswitch-data wireless-regdb
[2:46] <chithead> also verify that monitor mode is supported at all by the driver. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/
[2:46] <npm> how do i upgrade lxde w.o hauling in gnome network-manager etc.
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[2:47] <oconnore> chithead: it works on my laptop running ubuntu. And yes, it's on that list, too.
[2:47] <oconnore> this is specific to raspian/raspi
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[2:55] <oconnore> whoah, a race condition!
[2:55] <oconnore> if I do ifconfig wlan0 down; iwconfig wlan0 mode monitor on the same line it works
[2:55] <oconnore> do you guys see any process running that could be messing with the interface? http://pastebin.com/22M5Aaix
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[3:25] <SwK> oconnore: dhclient possibly
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[3:34] <Aivaras> if I type in to broweser my external ip and if ir works, it should work for everyone?
[3:35] <SpeedEvil> maybe
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[3:36] <Aivaras> http://82.30.211.63/ does it work for you?
[3:36] <SpeedEvil> your server may allow internal IP range
[3:36] <SpeedEvil> yes,
[3:36] <Aivaras> oh, then it's good. :)
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[4:08] <Torikun> oi
[4:10] <Armand> oi-oi!
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[4:11] <mdszy> oi-oi-oi!
[4:11] <Armand> You slaaa..... *coughs*
[4:11] <yeoj> hello, does anyone know if there are any companies building custom raspberry pi's without video and with wifi?
[4:11] <yeoj> or how hard it would be to approach a chinese manufacturer about making a batch of say, 1000, or so of them?
[4:12] <Armand> Not a snowball's chance in hell.
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[4:26] <SixtyFold> this sdcard look like it'll work fine in rPi? http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Class-Flash-Memory-TS8GSDHC10E/dp/B003VNKNEG/ref=sr_1_20?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1361503521&sr=1-20&keywords=raspberry+pi+sd+card
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[5:01] <SixtyFold> this sdcard look like it'll work fine in rPi? http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Class-Flash-Memory-TS8GSDHC10E/dp/B003VNKNEG/ref=sr_1_20?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1361503521&sr=1-20&keywords=raspberry+pi+sd+card
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[5:06] <Ballresin> I just picked up a PNY 8GB flash card from Best Buy for $4, and it is working fine...
[5:06] <SixtyFold> kool
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[5:28] <ztag100> does anyone know a tool like gparted that works with windows?
[5:28] <ztag100> Ballresin, 4 bucks? is that possible?
[5:28] <Ballresin> Well??? they sold it to me.
[5:29] <Ballresin> The 4GB version was double the price.
[5:29] <ztag100> dafuq?
[5:29] <ztag100> even if, 8 dollars?
[5:29] <Ballresin> yup
[5:29] <ztag100> I bought an sd card last year for like 20 bucks
[5:30] <Ballresin> The whole world is on its head. I bought a 60" plasma for less last month than the 42" i bought 6 years ago - AT COST.
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[5:30] <Ballresin> *less than
[5:31] <ztag100> technology...
[5:31] <Ballresin> And now $35 computers capable of 1080P video.
[5:31] <Ballresin> yup
[5:31] <ztag100> haha
[5:31] <Ballresin> Though it shouldn't be surprising. My Apple TV is roughly the same size as the Pi.
[5:32] <uriah> hello... still having the same problem with ethernet on the pi. it downloads a file fine until it reaches a certain amount of kb, then stalls...
[5:32] <Ballresin> uriah: network firewall?
[5:32] <uriah> i've even tried using a more powerful (1000mA) pwoer supply, to no avail
[5:33] <uriah> Ballresin: i wouldn't think so, i'm running a NAT from my laptop
[5:33] <Ballresin> try downloading a large JPG or something..?
[5:33] <uriah> i did
[5:33] <Ballresin> hmm
[5:33] <uriah> a large tarball
[5:34] <Ballresin> how many kb? pattern?
[5:34] <Ballresin> disclaimer - I've had my Pi running for not even half an hour. Not an expert on the Pi. Just a systems/network guy.
[5:35] <uriah> it doesn't seem to be a pattern... i think it might be when the speed gets too high, but not sure
[5:35] <uriah> right now i'm ssh'ed into it with top running, but that's ultra low throughput
[5:35] <uriah> ah, ok ;)
[5:36] <Ballresin> I kinda doubt it would be related to high speed transfer. However, the power envelope on the Pi might make my insight downright stupid.
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[5:36] <uriah> indeed...
[5:36] <uriah> what i need right now is someone who can help debug the hardware, i think :-/
[5:36] <Ballresin> I've got a 10 Watt power supply on my model B, and I was able to pull down Chromium without an issue.
[5:37] <Ballresin> The Pi can pull 1200mA naked, and the power requirements go up as you add hardware, as I recall.
[5:37] <uriah> wow, 10watt!
[5:37] <Ballresin> er...
[5:37] <uriah> where did you get that?!
[5:37] <Ballresin> yeah, 10 Watt. 2A at 5v.
[5:38] <uriah> oh
[5:38] <uriah> yeah
[5:38] <uriah> k
[5:38] <uriah> :)
[5:38] <uriah> tired
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[5:38] <Ballresin> Enough juive to charge an iPad.
[5:38] <uriah> Ballresin: got a link to where you got it?
[5:38] <Ballresin> Best Buy took $21 for it.
[5:38] <uriah> ah, k
[5:38] <Ballresin> I felt OK with that since I got the 8GB SD card for $4.
[5:38] <uriah> cool
[5:38] <uriah> lol
[5:39] <Ballresin> It is a RocketFish power supply.
[5:39] <Ballresin> No idea if it is good, but my Pi didn't die.
[5:40] <uriah> k
[5:40] <uriah> Ballresin: does it have multiple usb ports?
[5:40] <Ballresin> Anyone writing C for the Pi? I'm debating between C and Python.
[5:40] <Ballresin> Yup.
[5:40] <Ballresin> oh.. the power supply? no.
[5:40] <uriah> ah, ok
[5:41] <uriah> i was wondering if it was this: http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/rocketfish-rocketfish-dual-usb-wall-charger-rf-dac01-rf-dac01/10169160.aspx?path=275da42ca182a2bac5a8221d121ee6c0en02
[5:41] <Ballresin> It is roughly analogous to an iPhone power supply.
[5:41] <Ballresin> Oh, so you're saying I got suckered. Awesome.
[5:42] <Ballresin> Wish I didn't live 1 block from a Best Buy.
[5:42] <uriah> no no, not necessarily suckered
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[5:42] <uriah> the two-port ones *might* be 500mA per port :-/
[5:42] <Ballresin> I guess I threw out all my old Droid chargers, otherwise I'd have been set I think.
[5:43] <Ballresin> oh.
[5:43] <Ballresin> Zing, then.
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[5:43] <Ballresin> No developers present right now?
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[5:44] <uriah> ah, so it doesn't seem to be a speed issue, as the ethernet just dropped again :(
[5:44] <Ballresin> oh, suckage.
[5:44] <uriah> indeed
[5:45] <Ballresin> need mo' power, Scotty.
[5:45] <uriah> i hope i don't have a faulty pi :(
[5:45] <Ballresin> is that a thing?
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[5:46] <Ballresin> Because statistically, the likelihood of me having a Pi with a bad flux capacitor is nearly certain.
[5:46] <Ballresin> I'm surprised mine booted instead of exploding.
[5:47] <uriah> Ballresin: ok, so if i unplug the ethernet cable and plug it back in, the network starts again
[5:48] <ztag100_> anyone here got steam running yet?
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[5:48] <ztag100_> I don't mean to play games, but just for the community aspect
[5:48] <uriah> lol, steam
[5:48] <uriah> i believe it's only for x86 / x86_64
[5:49] <ztag100_> thanks
[5:49] <uriah> i don't think they've got an arm version out
[5:49] <uriah> ztag100_: however, if you want to try, you can install qemu
[5:49] <Ballresin> Wut about mine craft? I didn't see it in the Pi store.
[5:49] <uriah> and emulate x86 on arm...
[5:49] <Ballresin> oh boy
[5:49] <uriah> but that'll be very slow
[5:50] <uriah> Ballresin: minecraft is available for raspi
[5:50] <Ballresin> Couldn't find it. I know it is out there.
[5:50] <Ballresin> (Read: Didn't google hard enough)
[5:50] <ztag100_> you can download minecraft from pi.minecraft.net
[5:50] <Ballresin> oh
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[5:51] <Ballresin> Is it the full game, or chopped down big time?
[5:51] <ztag100> uriah: I never thought about that, but it would be suicide
[5:51] <ztag100> lawl
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[5:52] <uriah> ztag100: lol :)
[5:52] <uriah> Ballresin: not sure if it's full or not, haven't tried it :-(
[5:52] <Ballresin> oh
[5:53] <ztag100> Ballresin, only creative
[5:53] <ztag100> I'm playing right now
[5:54] <Ballresin> oh
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[5:54] <ztag100> It makes me sad
[5:54] <ztag100> with the amount of optomization they've done, it feels like I'm playing on my rig
[5:54] <ztag100> No lag, at all
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[5:56] <Ballresin> wow
[5:56] <Ballresin> Still runs on Java?
[5:58] <ztag100> not sure, it is a port of pocket edition
[5:58] <ztag100> it runs out of the box
[5:58] <ztag100> so I don't think so
[5:58] <ztag100> (just did a fresh debian install)
[5:58] <ShiftPlusOne> it is definitely not java
[5:59] <Ballresin> Hmm
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[6:00] <ztag100> try it
[6:00] <ztag100> it's great
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[6:00] <ztag100> even on my OG raspberry pi
[6:00] <ztag100> (the 256 model B
[6:00] <ztag100> )
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[6:02] <uriah> hrm... ever strange
[6:03] <uriah> i think sending packets to the pi works fine when it stalls, but receiving stops...
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[6:21] <Torikun> oi
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[6:23] <Tater61757> anyone get an alamode yet?
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[6:30] <SwK> whats an alamode?
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[6:37] <Twi7ch> hey, does anyone know if it's possible to use bootchart with Raspbian?
[6:39] <code-guru> I haven't heard about it. But have tried compiling it from source ?
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[6:43] <Twi7ch> its not so much the compiling
[6:44] <Twi7ch> the instructions ask for some lines to be added to the kernel command line
[6:44] <Twi7ch> and it assumes grub is installed
[6:44] <Twi7ch> how would i add these lines to the kernel command-line for the pi?
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[6:56] <Torikun> probably cmdline.txt
[6:56] <Torikun> in /boot
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[7:27] <Torikun> anyone able to play prboom ?
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[7:27] <Torikun> mine freezes after a few min
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[7:34] <steve_rox> whats prboom
[7:35] <ParkerR> Doom for linux
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[7:36] <steve_rox> oh right
[7:36] <steve_rox> not tryed it
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[7:58] <Torikun> ah man
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[8:02] <Torikun> does gnash work with midori/
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[8:15] <|Jeroen|> Morning
[8:17] <steve_rox> possibly
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[8:17] <Torikun> morning
[8:17] <Torikun> how does one watch youtube on the pi
[8:18] <Jck_true> youtube-dl
[8:18] <Torikun> with a browser
[8:18] <Torikun> for a kid
[8:18] <Jck_true> you're screwed
[8:18] <uriah> really?
[8:18] <Torikun> lo
[8:18] <uriah> how about html5?
[8:18] <uriah> :-/
[8:19] <uriah> http://www.youtube.com/html5
[8:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ...if someone codes html5 to use omxplayer for video
[8:19] <uriah> oh yeah
[8:19] <ShiftPlusOne> or rather openmax
[8:19] <uriah> :-/
[8:19] <Torikun> does vlc play videos yet?
[8:20] <Jck_true> Torikun: It always has :)
[8:20] <Torikun> on the pi
[8:20] <Torikun> they had some issue where it would not play properly
[8:20] <Torikun> and ocerheat the pi
[8:20] <Torikun> due to a codec
[8:21] <Jck_true> Torikun: It will play video on the raspberry - Just won't use the GPU
[8:21] <Jck_true> So anything with a bit of resolution will put CPU usage through the roof
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[8:22] <Jck_true> Torikun: If it needs to be easy accessible have you considered looking at the XBMC distroes for the raspberry? Even includes Youtube frontends :)
[8:23] <Torikun> i want a normal arch
[8:23] <Torikun> lo
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[8:26] <Jck_true> Yay! They just shipped my 4th and 5th Pi! :)
[8:26] <Torikun> lol
[8:27] <Torikun> what you going to do with it
[8:27] <Torikun> i got 4 lol
[8:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I ordered me a model A a few days ago as well >.>
[8:27] <Torikun> wow
[8:27] <Torikun> i am waiting for the camera module before I buy #5
[8:27] <ShiftPlusOne> ordered with RS though since they were a lot cheaper... don't know if or when I'll get it though.
[8:28] <Jck_true> 1) My webserver 2) I fried 3) Runs my workbench 4) Carry around demo device 5) XBMC media center
[8:28] <Torikun> mcm elecronics always has them in stock
[8:29] <Jck_true> Should have ordered an extra - A collegue is leaving the company - A Pi would have been a good gift for him
[8:29] <SixtyFold> Jck_true - howd you fry one?
[8:30] <Jck_true> SixtyFold: 2Amp@5V on a GPIO pin....
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[8:31] <SixtyFold> ahh, i have my rPi sitting here, i havent gotten that far yet, waiting on sdcard and case
[8:31] <SixtyFold> i think i have a microsd 4gb with adapter around here somewhere, but ill just wait anyhow
[8:31] <SixtyFold> what was the GPIO pin connected to that fried it?
[8:31] <Jck_true> SixtyFold: ATX powersupply
[8:32] <SixtyFold> oh
[8:32] <SixtyFold> hehe
[8:32] <SixtyFold> what were you trying to do?
[8:32] <Jck_true> SixtyFold: Letting the Raspberry control the power state of an ATX power supply
[8:32] <SixtyFold> ShiftPlusOne - i didnt think they made the model A anymore?
[8:33] <SixtyFold> Jck_true - oh, cool
[8:33] <ShiftPlusOne> SixtyFold, why wouldn't they?
[8:33] <Jck_true> I thought! Hey I can just test this circuit quickly by shorting the collector pin to 5V!
[8:33] <SixtyFold> ShiftPlusOne - wasnt the model a the 256 version?
[8:34] <ShiftPlusOne> SixtyFold, no, you're thinking of Rev 1, I think. But yes, it's a 256mb version, but it's also more (or less?) that that.
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[8:34] <ShiftPlusOne> it's the version without the usb/lan chip
[8:35] <SixtyFold> where did you order it from?
[8:35] <ShiftPlusOne> <ShiftPlusOne> ordered with RS though since they were a lot cheaper... don't know if or when I'll get it though.
[8:36] <Jck_true> but my setup works for now - Touching the metal frame signals the Pi to turn on the ATX PSU which powers the LVDS converter a satadrive and usb 5v power saving rail
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[8:38] <SixtyFold> yah, idk
[8:39] <SixtyFold> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-51668/l/raspberry-pi-model-a-versus-model-b-chart
[8:39] <SixtyFold> there's no way to buy model A on the sites ive been on
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[8:39] <ShiftPlusOne> the sit eyou just linked has a 'buy now' button for each O_o
[8:39] <ShiftPlusOne> *site
[8:39] <SixtyFold> and the buy now button is not linked for the A anymore
[8:40] <SixtyFold> you didnt look close enough
[8:40] <ShiftPlusOne> http://export.farnell.com/rp/order/index.html
[8:41] <SixtyFold> yah, that links me to the B
[8:41] <Viper-7> my new module : http://imgur.com/a/LrPdr
[8:41] <Viper-7> ... i think it`ll work... :D
[8:41] <SixtyFold> http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?id=43W5302&Ntt=43W5302&
[8:41] <ShiftPlusOne> must be your region or something
[8:42] <SixtyFold> yah, i dont think A is available in the USA anymore
[8:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think that should be "anymore", but rather "for now"
[8:43] <SixtyFold> All new and existing Raspberry Pi and Raspberry Pi bundle orders fulfilled will ship with the new Raspberry Pi model B (512MB) with additional RAM at no extra cost.
[8:43] <SixtyFold> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/content/en-US/raspberry-pi
[8:44] <Viper-7> SixtyFold: 1) that doesnt relate to model A vs B, 2) RS told me that too, then sent me one with 256mb
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[8:45] <SixtyFold> well, there is no US site to buy A that i can find anymore, that's all im saying
[8:45] <Viper-7> SixtyFold: they`re referring to the 256mb model Bs there
[8:45] <Viper-7> afaik they havent even gone into full flight production on model As yet
[8:45] <Viper-7> limited release, since demand is so much higher for the Bs
[8:47] <ShiftPlusOne> SixtyFold, you're right, I've checked the distributors and the American sites don't need to have the Model A (for now)
[8:47] <Viper-7> if you just want something small that runs linux, how about https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/iMX233/iMX233-OLinuXino-MICRO/ ?
[8:48] <SixtyFold> seems to be pretty expensive for what it is
[8:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess you weren't in the market for a cheap linux dev board before the pi came out?
[8:49] <Viper-7> heh
[8:49] <ShiftPlusOne> They'd probably be charging 3 times as much if it weren't for the pi.
[8:49] <Torikun> that is slower than the pi
[8:49] <SixtyFold> i go by now, not what something would have cost 1 1/2 years ago :P
[8:49] <Viper-7> https://www.adafruit.com/products/513 is expensive for what it is
[8:50] <Viper-7> Torikun: and cheaper (than model b)
[8:51] <Torikun> adafruit expensive 2
[8:51] <Torikun> pi is better
[8:51] <Viper-7> https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A13/A13-OLinuXino-MICRO/ beats the pi in many ways imo
[8:51] <Viper-7> Torikun: thats RRP
[8:51] <Viper-7> element14 want $110 for it
[8:51] <Torikun> the xino is nice but pi has more ram
[8:52] <Viper-7> digikey want 89
[8:52] <SixtyFold> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/main.php
[8:52] <Viper-7> Torikun: not than my pi
[8:52] <Viper-7> i ordered a model B, was told by RS it would have 512mb ram, but it only has 256
[8:52] <Torikun> i got 2 of those
[8:53] <Viper-7> <SixtyFold> seems to be pretty expensive for what it is
[8:53] <Viper-7> lol, thats the entire issue with the market
[8:53] <Viper-7> nothing costs what it should :P
[8:54] <Viper-7> but the euro is poor atm, so the olimex offerings arent too bad really
[8:54] <Viper-7> considering most people thought the price point of the pi was revolutionary
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[10:04] <Jck_true> mgolisch: How can I control the local terminal when im connected remotely with SSH
[10:05] <Jck_true> (In other words - I wanna show something else than the login screen on the raspberry screen when I haven't got a keyboard connected)
[10:06] <frikinz> screen or ttysnoop? I've used both methods but can't remember how and have no pi atm
[10:06] <Perkele> Jck_true: check fbi maybe
[10:06] <Perkele> if it's just about showing a picture
[10:06] <Jck_true> Perkele: I know about that :)
[10:06] <Perkele> k nvm
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[10:06] <Jck_true> But would I really like is like frikinz dscribe - Connect to a screen irssi session
[10:07] <Perkele> tmux does that
[10:07] <Jck_true> How :|
[10:07] <Perkele> with the caveat that the screen size is the one of smallest screen of the client attached
[10:07] <Jck_true> I don't mind that
[10:07] <Perkele> you start tmux locally on the pi
[10:07] <Perkele> then do ssh pi@raspi -t tmux a
[10:07] <Jck_true> Yeah - I don't have a keyboard on the pi...
[10:07] <Perkele> from your client
[10:08] <Perkele> maybe put tmux in some sort of startup script
[10:08] <Jck_true> Ohhh - That might be a way
[10:08] <Perkele> so maybe screen also works instead of tmux, but i always use tmux
[10:09] <Perkele> cause tmux >> screen
[10:09] <Jck_true> I'm a screen guy - But you're right tmux looks nice from the descriptions :)
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[10:10] <Jck_true> and it seems silly just having the pi stuck at the login screen forever... Might aswell put that 15 inch monitor to use when it's not playing a video file
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[10:10] <Perkele> true
[10:10] <Perkele> in my case it blanks to black after 10m anyway
[10:10] <Perkele> and stays that way
[10:11] <Perkele> but i already thought about creating some sort of screensaver
[10:11] <Jck_true> Perkele: My raspberry powers on an ATX PSU that turns on the display :)
[10:11] <Perkele> that shows pictures or patterns or w/e via framebuffer
[10:11] <Perkele> no i mean the terminal blanks
[10:11] <Perkele> the display is my tv and it's unaffected
[10:11] <Perkele> it's like the terminal screensaver
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[10:11] <Perkele> but it only does blank screen
[10:12] <Jck_true> I know - I have that disabled
[10:12] <Perkele> i see
[10:12] <des2> Next try having the Raspberry PI turn itself on.
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[10:12] <Jck_true> des2: No need - Runs from the standby line on the ATX-PSU
[10:13] <des2> Ha!'
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[10:14] <Jck_true> des2: Touch the metal frame on my desk = Atx starts for 30 minutes - Then autopowers down :)
[10:14] <des2> I guess that's what is called a touch screen
[10:15] <Jck_true> *facepalm*
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[10:31] <martk100> Has anyone managed to get xbmc working with a touchscreen?
[10:32] <tonsit> as long as you can find a driver that works with touchscreens and linux?
[10:33] <tonsit> that was meant to be more of a question. its late or early
[10:34] <tonsit> good luck :)
[10:34] <martk100> Early for me in the UK. My touchscreen works weel in other applications but not in xbmc.
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[10:34] <tonsit> ahh i'm sorry, i assumed anything with a drive would be able to simulate mouse clicks within xbmc
[10:34] <tonsit> driver*
[10:35] <martk100> tonsit:
[10:35] <tonsit> maybe you could find an application that simulates mouse clicks from touch screen responses. i used something in windows that did that irc
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[10:35] <tonsit> iirc*
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[10:36] <martk100> tonsit: Xbmc (and everthing else sees it as an N-Trig device.
[10:36] <tonsit> is that like my wii remote?
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[10:36] <tonsit> :)
[10:37] <martk100> tonsit: No idea I have no experience of wii system. Does it run on Linux?
[10:37] <tonsit> Its a nintendo remote that works off bluetooth and infrared, it can be used with a PC on any operating system as long as you have the right driver
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[10:39] <tonsit> ie, the touchscreen is a good theory. google would know better than me tbh :)
[10:39] <Jck_true> The Wii is bluetooth?!? I thought it was a custom protocol...
[10:39] <tonsit> its custom protocol over bluetooth afaik
[10:40] <Jck_true> +custom hardware :) Thanks - I definately gotta check that out eventually :)
[10:40] <tonsit> its awesome, search for glovepie
[10:40] <tonsit> it does the translations
[10:40] <tonsit> my 'driver' if you will.
[10:41] <tonsit> enough of the water cooler for me, good night guys :)
[10:42] <martk100> tonsit: I have googled for hours and not found a workable solution. Lots of people are having the same problem. In the the Rpi forum lots of simillar problems but no solutions.
[10:42] <tonsit> well how much is it worht to you. I have a week off till i start school :) but i dont own a touchscreen
[10:43] <martk100> tonsit: God night.
[10:43] <martk100> good*
[10:43] <tonsit> god night to you too buddy
[10:43] <SS-Sleep> are you handy with code? there is an SDL port of ScummVM that makes a touchscreen work more like a trackpad/mouse
[10:43] <tonsit> hehe
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[10:43] <SStrife> rather, an Android SDL port
[10:44] <martk100> SS-Sleep: That sounds interesting. My coding skills are not good.
[10:46] <SStrife> http://anddev.at.ua/load/scummvm_svn55436/1-1-0-7
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[10:46] <SStrife> that's not much help though, if you're not a programmer
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[11:04] <troulouliou_dev> hi is it possible to increase the resolution when connecting from vnc to the pi .
[11:04] <troulouliou_dev> ?
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[11:06] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[11:06] <Jck_true> troulouliou_dev: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> you can specify the resolution of the virtual display when you start vncserver on the Pi.
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> so ssh into the Pi, kill any running vncserver, then restart it with the higher resolution.
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> so vncserver -geometry 1920x1080
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> for that big screen experience.
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> You'll need to make sure that you run vncviewer in full-screen mode on the machine you're viewing the Pi's video on.
[11:09] <troulouliou_dev> gordonDrogon, thanks and for autostart en entry in /etc/xdg/autostart is a good solution no ?
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[11:12] <gordonDrogon> possibly, but it's not something I've ever used, so I've need to read up on it.
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[11:12] <gordonDrogon> I just run up vncserver on the rare occasions I need it.
[11:12] <SStrife> I turn on the vncserver section in lightdm.conf
[11:13] <SStrife> and init 5
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[11:13] <troulouliou_dev> gordonDrogon, with x11vnc and the geometry param i have it in full screen but it is like scaled
[11:13] <troulouliou_dev> i mean font looks like 40 instead of 12 :)
[11:14] <troulouliou_dev> guess i have to tweak the xorg conf as weel
[11:14] <troulouliou_dev> well
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> dunno! It just seems to work for me - I've never really fiddled with it to be honest...
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> I only set it up once as an experiment - it's a lot faster than running applications using ssh -X
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[11:18] <troulouliou_dev> maybe tightvnc works better then x11vnc then will check this out
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[11:38] <adeus> vinagre has worked great
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[11:42] <Cynar> hi all. Does anyone here have much experience with either TV tuner drivers, or kernel upgrades?
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[11:46] <gordonDrogon> TV tuners? I guess you could connect the composite video output to a UHF modulator..
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> for a kernel upgrade - apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade seems to work..
[11:47] <Cynar> tried that. My TV tuner was supposed to be linux compatible, It only works with version 3.7 and up
[11:47] <Cynar> it's a USB TV Tuner card btw
[11:48] <SStrife> you might need to "apt-get dist-upgrade" to upgrade the kernel
[11:48] <Cynar> I either need to somehow get the drivers, or upgrade to 3.7
[11:49] <Cynar> dist-upgrade only gets to 3.6.11
[11:49] <Cynar> at least on raspbian and raspbmc
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[11:53] <frikinz> Is the 3.6 in the repository or still needs offline rpi-update tool?
[11:54] <frikinz> oh ok, just read your message
[11:54] <Cynar> i tried the rpi-update tool, :(
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[11:56] <Cynar> if it if it helps, the ID of the card is 0CCD:00D7
[11:57] <Cynar> it apparently uses the RTL2832U & E4000 chipsets, which I know work with linux
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[12:00] <frikinz> http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0ccd:00d7
[12:01] <frikinz> probably only checks against 3.2 kernel from what I see
[12:01] <frikinz> not relevant then
[12:01] <mike_t> I thint it's USB ID
[12:02] <frikinz> oh yeah :)
[12:04] <mike_t> Cynar, try modprobe rtl2832
[12:07] <Cynar> will do, what should it do?
[12:07] <Cynar> i'm a linux noob right now still, learning on the fly
[12:07] * Armand now has his backup controller switch. :D
[12:08] <mike_t> Cynar, run sudo modprobe rtl2832
[12:08] <Cynar> have done
[12:08] <Armand> Or, backup switch controller... whatever. :P
[12:10] <mike_t> Cynar, bad news :( http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=23478
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[12:12] <gordonDrogon> why don't you connect the Pi directly to the TV via the composite video output?
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> most TVs in the past 20 years have a composite input - it's usually yellow.
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[12:18] <mjr> or it might take composite in via scart, a simple adapter would do
[12:19] <mjr> oh, are we talking to cynar. I though he had a TV _input_ USB device he wanted to use
[12:19] <Cynar> I've got it talking to the TV via HDMI right now
[12:20] <mike_t> TV via HDMI on TV? :)
[12:22] <Cynar> got my HDD working, and can play films etc back from it, just need to get the TV part working. (TV won't retune itself)
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> A-Ha... INPUT to the Pi, not output... Doh!
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[12:35] <Fleck> hey, some says that under HDMI connector is a chip for HDMI... is it true?
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[12:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Not that I know of, but you can easily check the schematic
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> I didn't notice one on the schematic - looks like it's corectly connected to the SoC
[12:37] <mjr> I understood hdmi to be a basic feature of the SoC but I'm no authority on the hw...
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> which is 2 chips, one on top of the other...
[12:38] <mjr> the memory chip probably doesn't do much hdmi-related stuff though
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> true!
[12:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Fleck, where did you get that information?
[12:42] <mike_t> I think from crazy boy :)
[12:43] <Fleck> ;p
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[13:05] <troulouliou_dev> i would like to use one of my pi as htpc cause it support cec out of the box; however i don't have the cable and i m watching a lot of flash on the TV ; actually neither lightspark / gnash is working; is there any other possible solution in the near future ?
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[13:08] <Jck_true> troulouliou_dev: Don't have the cable?
[13:09] <jelly1> troulouliou_dev: don't use flash
[13:09] <jelly1> else use mplayer to flash
[13:09] <jelly1> but flash on arm just plain sucks
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[13:14] <troulouliou_dev> jelly1, yep didn't know about that just discovered
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[13:15] <jelly1> troulouliou_dev: flash always sucked :p
[13:16] <troulouliou_dev> jelly1, yeah looks like the android port is not possible due to the arm cpu type/archi ; guess the only solution in 2 - 4 year will be the new firefox js flash plugin
[13:16] <jelly1> troulouliou_dev: no the solution is not to use flash
[13:16] <jelly1> and use open standards
[13:17] <troulouliou_dev> jelly1, yeah but i have like 5 daily site that i m watching per day in flash on my xtreamer
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[14:18] <mgottschlag> hey everybody
[14:18] <pronto> moin
[14:18] <mgottschlag> I want to power my pi from a battery, or from 230V AC if it is plugged in
[14:18] <mgottschlag> preferably without needing to manually flick a switch somewhere, without interruption
[14:19] <mgottschlag> anybody can give me a hint on how to connect different power supplies?
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[14:19] <mgottschlag> the battery side will probably be a LM2576-5.0, but I'd need to disable output from that once I get power from a USB power supply?
[14:21] <mgottschlag> ah, I think I found something
[14:21] <pronto> whatcha find>?
[14:21] <double-you> a switch? ;)
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[14:22] <pronto> your name is for some reason freaking me out, double-you
[14:22] <pronto> :(
[14:22] <mgottschlag> http://saeedsolutions.blogspot.de/2012/05/how-to-switch-between-power-supplies.html
[14:22] <double-you> pronto: why? :(
[14:22] <pronto> i don't know D:
[14:22] <mgottschlag> looks like it needs quite some space though
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[14:23] <double-you> mgottschlag: how about switching source manually by using a hand switch?
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[14:29] <mgottschlag> it should also act as an uninterruptible power supply
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[14:29] <double-you> oh
[14:29] <nid0> you could just buy a small ups.
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[14:32] <mgottschlag> this is going to end up in a project in a solar power system ^^
[14:32] <mgottschlag> so I already have huge batteries backing the thing
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[14:38] <gordonDrogon> A single diode is often good enough if you don't want the charge the batteries.
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> you just make sure the PSU is slightly higher voltage than the batteries.
[14:39] <mgottschlag> hm, I cannot use a 5V power supply anymore then though, I'd have to go higher than that and add a regulator after the diode
[14:39] <mgottschlag> could also work though
[14:39] <mgottschlag> and sounds much easier
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[14:49] <gordonDrogon> yea, you'd probably need a regulator off the batteries anyway.
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[14:50] <pronto> The technique requires nothing additional except a 20cm wire to serve as an antenna. The trick is to map GPIO pin number 4 to a position in memory. < this is neat http://hackaday.com/2012/12/10/transmit-fm-using-raspberry-pi-and-no-additional-hardware/ though,.... 6 bit
[14:50] <pronto> so not even chiptunes(8bit)
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[14:55] <nicksydney> is it possible to buy to raspberry pi from digikey ?
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[15:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> v
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[15:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> nicksydney probably not as easy as farnell
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[15:18] <nicksydney> RaTTuS|BIG: ok cool.....bcause for some reason i can't find the product when searching through their catalogue
[15:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?id=2191863&Ntt=2191863&
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[15:39] <des2> Why would digikey have Raspberry PIs ? They're not owned by Farnell or RS.
[15:40] <IT_Sean> digikey sell Pis too.
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[15:41] <IT_Sean> As do a lot of other places.
[15:41] <pronto> why would a place have to be owned by a company to sell their product?
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[15:47] <Shock> hey all
[15:47] <Shock> how can I find out if the OTP fuse has been blown?
[15:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure that there is only one. Are you talking about the warranty bit?
[15:48] <Shock> yes
[15:48] <IT_Sean> Have you overvolted?
[15:48] <Shock> yes
[15:48] <ShiftPlusOne> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[15:48] <IT_Sean> then it's blown
[15:48] <ShiftPlusOne> what does the revision say?
[15:48] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, no
[15:48] <Shock> Revision : 000e
[15:48] <ShiftPlusOne> not blown
[15:49] <Shock> cool
[15:49] <ShiftPlusOne> if it were 1000e, then yeah
[15:49] <Shock> does this question get asked a lot?
[15:50] <nid0> now and then
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, most people don't care and take pride of void warranties
[15:50] <Shock> :))
[15:50] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne: i thought OVing blew the OTP?
[15:50] <ryanteck> If it was done using the overclock tool It don't
[15:50] <IT_Sean> Oooh, right... i forgot about that
[15:50] <Shock> IT_Sean: only with force_turbo = 1
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't remember the exact condition, but IIRC it's overvolting and then a set of or's relating to other settings
[15:51] <ShiftPlusOne> some jerk removed the warranty void condition from the wiki
[15:51] <IT_Sean> jerk!
[15:52] <Shock> (force_turbo || current_limit_override || temp_limit>85) && over_voltage>0 blows the OTP
[15:52] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[15:52] <Shock> sure
[15:52] <ryanteck> I want to blow up a Pi soon
[15:52] <IT_Sean> Ahhh... okay. Thanks fer clarifying
[15:52] <ryanteck> I wonder if Deviding by 0 works
[15:53] <IT_Sean> dividing by zero voids your warranty. :p
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[15:55] <Shock> are board revision numbers incremental?
[15:56] <des2> The PI is an unusual electronic device because it's the result of a partnership between the foundation and 2 electronic distributors, RS and Farnell.
[15:56] <ShiftPlusOne> they are based on the actual board revision (which doesn't directly translate to the revision reported by cpuinfo) and also the factory they are made in.
[15:56] <nid0> Shock: mostly
[15:56] <nid0> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=32733
[15:56] <Shock> i.e. a board with revision 0x000f was manufactured after a board with revision 0x000e?
[15:57] <des2> Normally distributors sell items made by manufacturers.
[15:57] <nid0> no, e and f are both rev2 b boards with 512MB, its probably a farnell/rs difference
[15:57] <nid0> yeah
[15:57] <nid0> '000d' => 'Model B Revision 2.0 512MB', (Egoman)
[15:57] <nid0> '000e' => 'Model B Revision 2.0 512MB', (Sony)
[15:57] <nid0> '000f' => 'Model B Revision 2.0 512MB', (Qisda)
[15:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Shock, I don't think so, no
[15:58] <ShiftPlusOne> so e would be the made in uk ones
[15:58] <ShiftPlusOne> and f are... the other ones, and they are both still being made afaik
[15:58] <des2> Farnell is responsible for the UK ones.
[15:58] <ShiftPlusOne> so that's not an indication of one being made before the other.
[15:58] <Shock> nid0: fiy, i got both boards from element14
[15:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Farnell==Element14
[15:59] <Shock> excellent
[15:59] <Shock> thanks
[16:02] <Shock> do you know where I can find libvcos.so on raspbmc?
[16:03] <Shock> /opt/vc/lib seems to be missing
[16:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't know about raspbmc, but there's always 'find / -iname libvcos.so'
[16:03] <ShiftPlusOne> and #raspbmc
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[16:04] <Shock> ShiftPlusOne: tried both :(
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[16:04] <ShiftPlusOne> well... if it's not found then... it's not there
[16:05] <Shock> nevermind...found it on a closer look
[16:05] <Shock> /opt/xbmc-bcm/xbmc-bin/lib/xbmc/system/libvcos.so
[16:06] <ShiftPlusOne> ... in which case the find command would've found it....
[16:06] <ShiftPlusOne> what are you trying to pull here? >=/
[16:06] <Shock> it did find it
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[16:06] <Shock> i just didn't see it in a sea of permission denied errors on /proc files
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[16:07] <Shock> re-ran find using sudo and, sure enough, it found it :)
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[16:32] <troulouliou_dev> hi when i try to launch tightvnc with a password, i have an error about the defaul tfont path; anybody here have a magic solution for it ?
[16:32] <troulouliou_dev> or the good link ?
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[16:33] <Shock> kinda hard to answer your question without the specific error
[16:33] <dwatkins> sounds very familiar, troulouliou_dev - I think I had the same issue on SuSE, there's probably an x11 fonts package you need. Did you look the error up in relation to Debian?
[16:33] <troulouliou_dev> yep xfonts-base is installed
[16:34] <troulouliou_dev> i have created all the link recommended
[16:34] <troulouliou_dev> will trace will strace on open call to see wich font path os missing
[16:34] <troulouliou_dev> seems it is hardcoded
[16:35] <dwatkins> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=12993 troulouliou_dev
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[16:35] <troulouliou_dev> dwatkins, great thanks :)
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[16:40] <FR^2> Is it possible (e.g. using pulseaudio) to use the analogue audio output jack and the hdmi audio a) at the same time or b) switching the output between those two?
[16:44] <troulouliou_dev> dwatkins, was just a param missing to the rfauth param
[16:44] <IT_Sean> FR^2: i believe it is possible to switch between them, but i do not believe you can use 'em at the same time.
[16:44] <dwatkins> troulouliou_dev: linux solves an otherwise disastrous day ;)
[16:45] <FR^2> IT_Sean: I assumed so. Any hints on keywords to search the web with? ^^
[16:45] <dwatkins> XBMC has a [software] switch to choose analog or digital output
[16:45] <IT_Sean> I do not know how to switch audio routing, sorry.
[16:45] <FR^2> ok
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[16:45] <FR^2> dwatkins: Really? Hmmmm, thanks, I'll have a look for information on that one.
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[16:46] <Shock> I don't understand this: http://pastebin.com/A6TxcPdv WTH?! anyone got a clue?
[16:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Shock, http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15006
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[16:48] <ShiftPlusOne> try "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/pi/.xbmc-current/xbmc-bin/lib/xbmc/system /opt/vc/bin/tvservice"
[16:49] <Shock> /opt/vc/bin/tvservice: error while loading shared libraries: libvcos.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:49] <Shock> I don't get it
[16:50] <Shock> it finds libvchiq_arm.so which is also in /home/pi/.xbmc-current/xbmc-bin/lib/xbmc/system/
[16:50] <ShiftPlusOne> when running the command I just gave?
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[16:50] <Shock> ShiftPlusOne: yes
[16:50] <Shock> root@raspbmc:/etc# LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/pi/.xbmc-current/xbmc-bin/lib/xbmc/system /opt/vc/bin/tvservice
[16:50] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, then it might just be a firmware version mismatch or something
[16:50] <Shock> /opt/vc/bin/tvservice: error while loading shared libraries: libvcos.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:51] <ShiftPlusOne> in other words, no idea then.
[16:51] <Shock> thanks for the help
[16:52] <Shock> maybe I'll be more resourceful tomorrow
[16:52] <ShiftPlusOne> well for starters, why is everything in /home and where did you get it from?
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[16:53] <Shock> FR^2: http://askubuntu.com/questions/57319/analog-and-digital-audio-output-at-the-same-time should apply if you use pulseaudio
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[16:53] <Shock> ShiftPlusOne: it's the default raspbmc :-/
[16:54] <ShiftPlusOne> If you're not making a mistake and it's actually that stupid, then it's best to take it to #raspbmc and wait until they reply.
[16:55] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know how well rpi-update plays with raspbmc, but it's worth trying
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[16:56] <Shock> ShiftPlusOne: if I'm making a mistake it's something so stupit it flies right under my radar
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[16:57] <Shock> I don't think I'm making any mistake, though
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[16:57] <Shock> ldconfig segfaults when run as root
[16:57] <Shock> so something is amiss
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[16:58] <dniMretsaM> good morning everyone
[16:59] <FR^2> Shock: cool, thank you!
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[16:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> 'noon dniMretsaM
[17:00] <Shock> FR^2: sure. np. this might help if you want to go the alsa route: http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg27141.html
[17:00] <FR^2> bookmarked.
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[17:05] <Shock> morning dniMretsaM
[17:05] <dniMretsaM> how goes it today in the world of Pi?
[17:06] <IT_Sean> it goes.
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[17:06] <IT_Sean> the sky is still up. the ground is still down, and im at work.
[17:07] <dniMretsaM> everything is as it should be, then, IT_Sean. lol
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[17:08] <IT_Sean> I suppose.
[17:08] <catcher> gordonDrogon, wiringpi is looking great over here. Are there any utilities to display the state of the internal pullup resistor?
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[17:11] <Hopsy> anyone here who lives in france?!?
[17:12] <IT_Sean> you think they would readily admit it?
[17:12] <doomy> Hopsy: I do !
[17:12] <Hopsy> IT_Sean: yes :D
[17:12] <doomy> :)
[17:13] <Hopsy> doomy: I have a question, can I buy a .fr domainname without having a company in france?
[17:13] <Hopsy> there was a rule like that?
[17:14] <doomy> err... I don't really know in fact. I know from a friend there are some restrictions but I don't know which
[17:14] <IT_Sean> Some TLDs are restricted. Others are not.
[17:14] <Hopsy> wikipedia tells me this: 'The rules for registering French domains changed on December 6, 2011 and the registrant of a French domain need no longer be based in France. Any European individual, company or organization can register a .fr domain, or any of the others managed by AFNIC:'
[17:15] <Hopsy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.fr
[17:15] <schnuws> hello !
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[17:15] <Hopsy> IT_Sean: which?
[17:16] <IT_Sean> ?
[17:16] <doomy> oh, My informations were from before 2011
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[17:21] <gordonDrogon> catcher, Hi - it's not possible to read that information back from the system, alas.
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[17:22] <catcher> gordonDrogon, okay, thanks. What happens if I enable the pullup on a pin set to output?
[17:22] <catcher> (accidentally)
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[17:23] <VetteWork> catcher, u want to see status of the GPIOs?
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> catcher, nothing.
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> gpio readall will show the status of all gpios'.
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> apart from the internal pull-up/down resistor settings.
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> oddly enough they're stored in non-volatile RAM and are supposed to be saves between power cycles too, but it's a one-way process...
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[17:27] <catcher> gordonDrogon, I want to make sure I don't fry my board, just wondering if mistakes with the pullup resistor can do that.
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> I've just added in the physical pin numbering on the gpio readall command too - someone asked for it... It's not published yet - got a couple more things to check first.
[17:27] <VetteWork> I installed webiopi, gives a decent web gui of status. live update. can also control and switch i/o
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> catcher, no issues with them at all. They're quite 'weak' anyway - 68K I think.
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> VetteWork, yea, that's ok, but it's a bit heavy if you just want a quick command-line thing.
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[17:28] <VetteWork> true
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/readall.txt
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> output from the latest version on a Rev 2 Pi.
[17:29] <VetteWork> I have been using it just for instant gratification while doing stuff.
[17:29] <catcher> gordonDrogon, great, thanks. When I connect a hardware switch to a pin, is it very important to have it on input mode with pullup disabled?
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[17:30] <gordonDrogon> catcher, no - however if it's in output mode and you push the switch you might short-circuit the gpio pin.
[17:30] <VetteWork> I had found it before I found gpio..
[17:30] <VetteWork> gordon, doing anything with SNMP?
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> catcher, some people put a small value resistor just in-case.
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> VetteWork, not planning to...
[17:31] <VetteWork> ok. thats what we are working on right now.. have it working for reading status, but traps and setting we dont have yet (havent really worked on setting yet)
[17:31] <catcher> perfect, thanks. Last question for now - why is wiringpi faster than the filesystem controls? How does it access the pins more efficiently?
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> I saw some mention of it on the forums - I presume that was you?
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> catcher, wiringPi uses direct memory mapped IO - the downside is that it needs root...
[17:32] <VetteWork> negative. havent been on the forums (read but not post). been in #net-snmp a little asking
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> ok
[17:33] <VetteWork> most of this stuff is WAY over my head :(
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> mine too :)
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[17:38] <SixtyFold> why is there no channel on basic understanding, very very basic progressing to more complicated understandings of electricity?
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[17:39] <ShiftPlusOne> SixtyFold, what?
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[17:39] <gordonDrogon> it can be difficult to understand some basic electronics, but how to try to help get that across...
[17:39] <nid0> there's ##physics
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[17:40] <ShiftPlusOne> and ##electronics
[17:43] <SixtyFold> thanks
[17:45] <ShiftPlusOne> but really, you need to read books and tutorials, nobody is going to teach you the basics.
[17:45] <ShiftPlusOne> I'm a fan of www.allaboutcircuits.com for that sort of thing.
[17:45] <nid0> just to clear something up here, are you looking for the basics on electricity, or electronics?
[17:45] <nid0> because obv, theyre not the same thing.
[17:46] <ryanteck> Just insert 240V into the Raspberry Pi
[17:46] <catcher> I'm reading through allaboutcircuits.com at the moment, I'm really liking it.
[17:46] <ryanteck> watch as both the pi and you get electrocuted
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[17:48] <SixtyFold> yah, i was looking for a channel to see the topic basically, usually channels like that have a reference to a beginners series of books, etc, ill check that site out too
[17:48] <SixtyFold> thanks
[17:49] <SixtyFold> ShiftPlusOne - that site looks super useful, thanks.
[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> if you have questions feel free to ask here as well, though it's not an electronics channel, I am sure there are lots of people willing to help
[17:50] <SixtyFold> cool
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[17:51] <schnuws> Hello! Whatsup? =D
[17:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> the sky
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[17:52] <schnuws> correcting myself, Whats going on?! :D
[17:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pp89tTDxXuI
[17:52] <schnuws> o.o
[17:52] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[17:52] <ShiftPlusOne> crazy
[17:53] <schnuws> That's just scary
[17:53] <SixtyFold> brb
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[17:58] <martk100> Does xbmc on the pi support N-Trig usb touchscreens?
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[18:41] <Neutron19> does anyone know of some USB charger with feedback at the USB plug itself, so it compensates for the voltage loss in the cable?
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[18:42] <|Jeroen|> don't think that exists
[18:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Is that a thing that you know exists or fif you just make that up?
[18:43] <|Jeroen|> if your cable has to be that long,you beter use a hub at the end
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[18:45] <IT_Sean> lol
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[19:13] <applegekko> can someone suggest a really cheap hub that will power the pi
[19:13] <applegekko> and several 2.5 hdds
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[19:13] <IT_Sean> Any powered hub that isn't some non-standard pile of chinese garbage should do.
[19:14] <ShiftPlusOne> As long as you don't mind it electrocuting you, connecting your electronics directly to mains or burning your house down.
[19:14] <nid0> look for one with at least a 3-4A power supply if you want several disks into it
[19:15] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne: that's why i specified "not a pile of chinese garbage"
[19:15] <IT_Sean> (although, i suppose "chinese garbage" is a bit redundant)
[19:15] <ShiftPlusOne> oh I missed the n't part of isn't
[19:16] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
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[19:27] <Hoerie> <ShiftPlusOne> oh I missed the n't part of isn't <-- I misread as chinese cabbage, hungry
[19:27] <IT_Sean> nope. chinese garbage.
[19:27] <ShiftPlusOne> >_<
[19:27] <IT_Sean> you lot all need your eyes checked.
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[19:33] <zleap> lol
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[19:51] <Torikun> oi
[19:53] <schnuws> yo
[19:55] <Torikun> vassup
[19:55] <IT_Sean> wasabi!
[19:55] <Torikun> lol
[19:55] <schnuws> wasabi is up?
[19:55] <ParkerR> Ohai
[19:55] <IT_Sean> WASABI!
[19:56] <schnuws> o_O
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[20:03] <Torikun> http://linux-toys.com/?q=node/13
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[20:06] <SwK> Torikun: lol
[20:06] <Torikun> lol
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[20:09] <chaotix> hi... i have no sound working on my raspi, whether in raspbian, raspbmc, or openelec xbmc..... is this a commonly fixable problem? i have been looking at diff threads, but cant find where it happens on multiple distros... is there a hardware malfunction comon to the ras pi?
[20:09] <Torikun> run alsaconf or alsaunmute
[20:10] <pksato> chaotix: output from jack or hmdi? display is hdmi?
[20:11] <chaotix> both... i tried with hdmi, and i tried using vga and 3.5mm jack, and got no sound at all
[20:12] <pksato> if hdmi-vga is connected, audio goes from hdmi.
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[20:21] <chaotix> what if nothing works?
[20:21] <chaotix> hdmi works for video, and vga works for video also
[20:21] <chaotix> no audio
[20:22] <chaotix> imma call cust service
[20:22] <chaotix> at elem 14
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[20:23] <pksato> alsa modules are loaded? lsmod | grep snd
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[20:27] <marl_scot> hi guys, i keep getting my network dropping out on my pi, the usb appears to drop at the same time, so i presume it is something to do with the usb driver, does anyone have a script that will monitor the network/usb and restart the usb driver if it drops out? (if that makes sense! lol) running model b 512 - Linux reprap1 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[20:29] <IT_Sean> sounds like USB is dropping off. Keep in mind, the ethernet port is a USB -> ethernet adapter. Sure it's not a power issue?
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[20:31] <marl_scot> kinda figured it was the usb driver causing the problem, i have a 9 foot network cable into the pi, and a single usb port to a powered hub (pi is powered from the hub as well as a reprap printer, but the hub has a 2.1A psu on it and theprinter doesnt use a lot)
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[20:32] <chaotix> i cant find why does reason my usb keyboard work fine in raspbmc, but if i take it out and plug in my wireless keyboard usb dongle, that wont work? both worked in openelec xbmc, and in raspbian...
[20:32] <chaotix> not simultaniously i mean
[20:32] <chaotix> but they work
[20:32] <marl_scot> chaotix, worked on the same board or did you have openelec on another board?
[20:32] <chaotix> same board
[20:33] <chaotix> i erased my openelec sd card and installed raspbmc on it to see if the sound worked on that
[20:33] <marl_scot> did the sound work?
[20:33] <chaotix> nope
[20:33] <marl_scot> what rating is your power supply?
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[20:34] <chaotix> no sound output from either way
[20:34] <chaotix> i tried 2...
[20:34] <chaotix> ill look now
[20:34] <chaotix> two power cords
[20:34] <marl_scot> i ask becasue the only time i have had problems (other than drivers) with usb dongles was down to the power they wanted, hence my reason for putting powered hubs/external devices on all my pis
[20:35] <IT_Sean> Aye... pounds to peanuts it's a power problem.
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[20:36] <marl_scot> if you start on your dongle, then switch to your usb keyboard (without turning off) does the usb keyboard work?
[20:36] <chaotix> the one i bought in the mail from newark/element along with my pi does not say on it, but it said output was 5v i believe... and the other one i had already is a huawei 5.0v-400mA
[20:36] <marl_scot> (if not you got a similar problem to me, in the usb driver crashing)
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[20:36] <marl_scot> 400mA is VERY low!
[20:37] <chaotix> ok
[20:37] <IT_Sean> 400mA is too low
[20:37] <IT_Sean> you need 700mA MINIMUM
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[20:37] <marl_scot> you need at leaste 700mA jsut for the pi
[20:37] <chaotix> the one i got from newark element should be hgh enough though right?
[20:37] <IT_Sean> Then more overhead for USB devices
[20:37] <IT_Sean> Try to get a 1A supply.
[20:37] <marl_scot> if you have a dongle or such then go for 1.5A (1500mA)
[20:37] <IT_Sean> ^ or that
[20:38] <marl_scot> or grab a powered usb hub, and use that to power your pi and your devices, as they are normally 2A power supplies
[20:39] <marl_scot> (plug psu into powered hub, plug one cable from powered hub to PI power connector, and a cable from PI usb to powered hub usb input, if that makes sense)
[20:39] <chaotix> sorry the one from newark is 1000mA... i thought it didnt say, but it was just hard to read
[20:40] <marl_scot> do you have a powered hub to test using that (dont need to run the pi from it, if your pi supply is 100mA)
[20:40] <chaotix> it sas input ac100-200v, output DC 4.5 to 9 .5v max 1000mA
[20:40] <chaotix> should i try to aquire something stronger?
[20:41] <chaotix> no powered hub :(
[20:41] <marl_scot> NOTE THOUGH!!!!!!! ALWAYS plug your supplies into the same power socket, unless you can be certain that your house doesnt have 2 ring mains
[20:41] <chaotix> what is "2 ring mains"?
[20:41] <chaotix> sorry
[20:41] <chaotix> noob
[20:41] <chaotix> lol
[20:41] <marl_scot> i have never liked using variable power supplies, they are not very reliable
[20:41] <chaotix> i c
[20:42] <chaotix> what if i rig a 9v battery up to it
[20:42] <marl_scot> sorry, 2 power rings, is where you have 2 fuses in your electric cuboard for your mains power
[20:42] <marl_scot> not without a voltage regulator
[20:42] <chaotix> i powered my cell phone like that durring hurricane sandy
[20:42] <chaotix> oh
[20:42] <chaotix> i just wrigged it... prolly not a good idea
[20:43] <chaotix> could the power be affecting the sound too?
[20:44] <marl_scot> its posible, are you trying for sound through HDMI or via the audio jack?
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[20:44] <chaotix> iv tried both
[20:44] <chaotix> neither work
[20:44] <chaotix> picture works... and ethernet works
[20:45] <marl_scot> ok, because i made an arse of myself a while ago, when i spent ages trying to get sound to work, only to discover i had it set to send sound via hdmi and i was testing with a pair of headphones in the audio jack! lol
[20:45] <chaotix> and it was functioning ok, did a fine job of streaming from web on xbmc, just no sound or wireless keyboard
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[20:45] <chaotix> lol
[20:46] <chaotix> yeah i tried switching back and forth
[20:46] <marl_scot> it is very easy to blame the power supplie for all the problems, but it is worth investing in a ?10-?15 usb powered hub, just to be certain.
[20:46] <chaotix> it would have come on right away right?
[20:46] <chaotix> im planning on getting a hub for sure
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[20:47] <marl_scot> if your playing a track, and the sound is working, you should get something as soon as you plug in a speeker to the jack or switch on the sound on your tv for the hdmi
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[20:47] <chaotix> ok
[20:50] <chaotix> i hope i can figure this out... it would be great if my whole fam can use these... xbmc has been a mainstay in my house for a while.. and the pi will be great... right now i am running a 2004 era laptop(broken screen/keyboard) behind my living room tv, with flirc hooked up for remote, streaming everything... we wouldnt be able to afford cable anyway, plus there is so much garbage on there
[20:51] <chaotix> and streaming seems to work great on the pi
[20:51] <TAFB_afk> solar panel arrived :) Solar powered Pi time! http://ecuflashking.com/2012-02-22-CottonPickers_solar_panel_folder/2012-02-22-CottonPickers_solar_panel_folder_large.jpg
[20:51] <chaotix> just gotta get this stuff troubleshooted
[20:51] <chaotix> nice!
[20:52] <TAFB_afk> might need to get the new A model to make this happen, but we'll see how the B does.
[20:52] <chaotix> i thought the b is the new one
[20:52] <TAFB_afk> there's a "new" A that's 1/3 the power.
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[20:53] <marl_scot> i use one of my 256 PIs connected to an external powered drive, and it runs as a full file server and media streamer (although im having issues with the streaming servers ive tried)
[20:53] <marl_scot> TAFB_afk, the oringal spec the A was 300mA IIRC
[20:53] <IT_Sean> chaotix: The Model B was the first to be released. The Model A was released more recently. The B has networking, and two USB ports. The A has 1 USB port and no networking
[20:54] <chaotix> hmm this is interesting... according to the eiki, K400 wireless keyboard with touchpad (completely non-functional on debian6-19-04-2012), thats my model... but im trying to use it in raspbmc not debian
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[20:54] <chaotix> IT_Sean, oh
[20:54] <chaotix> why did they release a lower end one after
[20:54] <TAFB_afk> marl_scot: I was having issues streaming 1080p from my Pi connected drives, even SSD was not fast enough, so I swapped my Pi to a SGFH and it's a MONSTER in i/o compared to the Pi (with gigabit ethernet too): http://tafb.yi.org
[20:54] <IT_Sean> because they wanted to get the B into the hands of devs, as the A is meant for the edu market.
[20:55] <IT_Sean> Also, the A is just a B minux some components.
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[20:55] <TAFB_afk> chaotix: for people needing lower power solutions, i.e. my solar powered Pi camera project :)
[20:55] <marl_scot> chaotix, doesnt raspbmc use the debian kernel?
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[20:56] <marl_scot> TAFB_afk, my main issues was the media server not registering files and dropping out fo site of my VLC software on my pc
[20:56] <TAFB_afk> freaky
[20:56] <TAFB_afk> wow, 46 days uptime, nice :)
[20:57] <marl_scot> nas1 : 19:57:28 up 31 days, 19:24, 0 users, load average: 0.15, 0.07, 0.05
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[20:58] <marl_scot> no down time on my PI NAS since i plugged in my external drive :)
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> I've just rebooted all my Pi's after a kernel upgrade..
[20:59] <TAFB_afk> I've done probably 5 or 6 kernel upgrades, no reboots. somethin gonna break soon for sure.
[20:59] <marl_scot> what is the latest raspbian kernel?
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> 3.6.11+ #371
[21:01] <marl_scot> lol, maybe i should upgrage my reprap pi then its running 3.2.27 just now! :(
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[21:10] <gordonDrogon> if it's raspbian then apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade will do it.
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[21:10] <gordonDrogon> (followed by apt-get dist-upgrade for good measure!)
[21:12] <marl_scot> it is running as i type, i had to wait to start my last print job before running it
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[21:12] <Torikun> what is the difference between dist-upgrade and update
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[21:14] <zleap> gordonDrogon, i put the instructions tom gave me on my website for updating systems http://zleap.net/debian-updates/
[21:14] <marl_scot> Torikun, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/whats-the-difference-between-apt-get-upgrade-and-apt-get-dist-upgrade-165998/
[21:15] <Torikun> tu
[21:15] <Torikun> ty
[21:15] <marl_scot> basicly upgrade, just upgrades the packages you have installed, and dist-upgrade is meant to take you to the next release of the os
[21:15] <Torikun> ah
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[21:18] * plugwash slaps marl_scot arround a bit with a large trout
[21:18] <marl_scot> plugwash, what have i done now?
[21:18] <plugwash> the real difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is that upgrade will only upgrade packages that are already on the system
[21:18] <IT_Sean> you exist
[21:18] <IT_Sean> that's enough
[21:18] <Torikun> http://askubuntu.com/questions/81585/what-is-dist-upgrade-and-why-does-it-upgrade-more-than-upgrade
[21:18] <Torikun> dist-upgrade is better
[21:19] <marl_scot> ok, i stand corected
[21:19] <marl_scot> IT_Sean, i was put on this earth to piss of IRC members that know more than me!
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[21:19] <plugwash> while dist-upgrade is more agressive and will install and remove packages to ugprade others, Dist-upgrade is useful but it's a tool that should be used with care
[21:19] <marl_scot> (which is pretty much all IRC members!!!!)
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[21:20] <martk100> Where can I find a typical touchscreen.xml for xbmc?
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[21:25] <Grievar> plugwash: to be more precise: dist-upgrade will install new packages and remove installed ones, upgrade will only upgrade packages for a new version
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> zleap, good oh!
[21:26] <Grievar> like if you have application foo that didn't use to depend on libbar, but now does in the new version
[21:26] <zleap> gordonDrogon, is that ok, i guess it could be useful,
[21:26] <Grievar> apt-get upgrade will not upgrade foo, because it would have to install libbar to do so
[21:26] <Grievar> apt-get dist-upgrade will
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> I suspect dist-upgrade is only applicable when doing a real dist-upgrade, or when running 'testing' ...
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> hopefully that will go away when testing becomes stable ... real soon now ?
[21:28] <Grievar> gordonDrogon: There are situations in which "stable" will still require you to dist-upgrade. Kernel updates in particular I think
[21:28] <Grievar> although
[21:28] <Grievar> it depends on the particular distro
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> Grievar, dunno - I rarely use the stock kernels, so not seen that...
[21:29] <Grievar> gordonDrogon: I almost always do dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade
[21:29] <Grievar> but I also very rarely run stable
[21:29] <zleap> i ran all thast on my pi and it seems to work ok still
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[21:30] <gordonDrogon> Pi is the first Debian box I've run in 16+ years that's not been the stable release!
[21:31] <Grievar> gordonDrogon: wow, you must not have played quake much :P
[21:31] <Grievar> gordonDrogon: back in 03 or so, I couldn't do /anything/ 3D without running unstable
[21:31] <Grievar> forget testing
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> Grievar, I've not played quake at all.
[21:32] <Grievar> gordonDrogon: /testing/ was still using XFree86 4.2.x when 4.3.x had been out for two years and 4.4.x was just about to come out
[21:32] <Grievar> it had /ancient/ versions of mesa3D and DRI
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> Grievar, it's just a desktop for me. I don't need 3D anything.
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[21:33] <Grievar> gordonDrogon: *nods* still, I dunno how much better they've gotten, but stable used to be extremely out of date
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> Grievar, it's still out of date, but it's ok for what I need. plays videos OK, lets me run up xterms... firfox & chrom work... and that's just about that...
[21:34] <Grievar> gordonDrogon: oh well it's gotten a lot better than what I'm used to then
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[21:35] <Grievar> first of all, without working drivers for your video card, playing videos was painful, and my video card was too new to have drivers in debian stable. Secondly, there was like zero codec support present in the debian repositories so you had to compile and install something like mplayer or VLC yourself
[21:35] <Grievar> and then of course mplayer and vlc demanded newer versions of libraries than what debian had...
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[21:37] <gordonDrogon> I guess I'm not really into 3d games and high-end "media" stuff.
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[21:38] <Grievar> gordonDrogon: well in general, stable also had older kernel versions, which were missing drivers...
[21:38] <Grievar> and newer kernels did things like change the arrangement of things in /proc and create /sys which broke the userland
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> I do tend to compile later kernels though.
[21:38] <Grievar> so upgrading to a too-new kernel without upgrading other things wasn't an option
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[21:39] <gordonDrogon> currently running 3.6.2 on my desktop - with debian stable...
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> all my servers have a 2.6 kernel on still..
[21:40] <Grievar> the 2.4 -> 2.6 jump was a huge deal
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> yea, I remember it!
[21:40] <Grievar> that was a big part of why I didn't run stable, stable still had 2.4.x
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> It took me a long time to move from 2.4.
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[21:40] <Grievar> and I was using a lot of things that needed a 2.6.x kernel
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[21:40] <gordonDrogon> maybe debian isn't the distro for you then... :)
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[21:41] <Grievar> well there weren't things like ubuntu back then
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> I did almost switch a couple of months ago when I read the most vile piece of email from someone who works for Debian though. Completely slating the Pi and ignoring the fact that Debian just had a bump of 1,000,000 new users ...
[21:45] <Torikun> we all run Arch in here l=)
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[21:46] <Torikun> Arch has been pissing me off lately, tried moving to raspbian but had issues
[21:47] <plugwash> Note that debian is a pretty loosely knit project
[21:49] <plugwash> and it doesn't have employees, only unpaid developers who are pretty much free to say what they like, I wouldn't let one guy's rants get to you
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[21:50] <Grievar> plugwash: ?
[21:50] <Grievar> who's ranting?
[21:50] <Grievar> oh
[21:50] <Grievar> gordonDrogon: what email was this?
[21:51] <zleap> Grievar, it was on our local lug mailing list,
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[21:55] * plugwash gets the impression that there are a number of developers of arm linux boards who are extremely scared and/or jelous of the Pi
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[21:56] <gordonDrogon> Grievar, yea, the LUG list local to me (& zleap here)
[21:57] <zleap> yea i caused a stir at the start of the year by having the cheek to suggest a new website, and the pi comments came from the resultant, argument,
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[21:58] <gordonDrogon> (that's a new website for the LUG)
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> the current one was somewhat... dated at the time, but some work has been put into it now.
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[21:59] <gordonDrogon> Still - the guy who owns & whinges about the cost of running it lives 200 miles from the county that's home to the LUG, but hey ho :)
[21:59] <Grievar> gordonDrogon: so offer to take over from him :P
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[22:07] <gordonDrogon> Grievar, we did...
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> and nothing happened.
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[22:08] <gordonDrogon> The domains are owned/controlled by someone in the US. The website by someone in Oxford, the mailing list by someone Wales (I think). good, eh? After the little 'debate' earlier this year I just decided to mostly leave it...
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[22:53] <exo-squad> hello. is there atime when everyone here talks ?
[22:53] <mdszy> No.
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[22:53] <mdszy> This is an IRC channel, not a scheduled conference call.
[22:54] <TAFB_afk> rofl
[22:54] <TAFB_afk> it's 5pm for me, time check!
[22:54] <exo-squad> well im sorry to be a noob in your channel
[22:54] <mdszy> exo-squad, I'm pretty sure that applies to every IRC channel ever.
[22:54] <TAFB_afk> noobs are welcome, and the only dumb questions are the ones not asked
[22:54] <mdszy> and that one question.
[22:54] <TAFB_afk> lol
[22:55] <IT_Sean> exo-squad: there are varying levels of activity through the day. This is a global chatroom. So, high noon for you might be the middle of the night for other users
[22:55] <exo-squad> my raspberry pi has been in the mail for weeks and now its delayed cause of the snow storm here
[22:55] <IT_Sean> exo-squad: bummer. :/
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[22:55] <TAFB_afk> exo-squad: what are your plans for it when it arrives?
[22:55] <mdszy> that sucks
[22:55] <mdszy> I hope you get it soon, exo-squad!
[22:55] <IT_Sean> If it makes you fell better, i only got mine a couple of weeks ago
[22:55] <TAFB_afk> and I hope the snow here goes away, my motorcycle is feeling lonely :( I should maybe go out and rev it a bit.
[22:55] <IT_Sean> (ok... i only ORDERED it a couple of weeks ago, but, still)
[22:56] <mdszy> It's snowing pretty bad here too.
[22:56] <mdszy> I'm thinking of a case to get for my Pi.
[22:56] <exo-squad> well first im going to just make a standard os. and then im going to try that one guys mame os
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[22:56] <exo-squad> mdszy, i bought a bunch of legos to make a awesome case out of
[22:56] <mdszy> exo-squad, nice
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[22:56] <TAFB_afk> mdszy: rule for your case, it must cost twice what your Pi did! http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
[22:56] <mdszy> haha
[22:56] <mdszy> damn
[22:57] <mdszy> well
[22:57] <exo-squad> that is insanely fancy
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[22:57] <mdszy> I'm sure if I bought that, it wouldn't cost more than my Pi.
[22:57] <mdszy> I got mine for christmas and my dad said "I'll bet you you couldn't find one for $35"
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[22:57] <TAFB_afk> just the aluminum case is $70 plus shipping :)
[22:57] <mdszy> And I'm thinking he got it off of Amazon
[22:57] <demure> or four times as much, and mill it out of titanium
[22:58] <exo-squad> i got these amazing legos from the lego store here
[22:58] <mdszy> yup, amazon sells them for like $50.
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[22:58] <TAFB_afk> the aluminum case? link?
[22:58] <mdszy> I might just go cheap and buy this one https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11623
[22:58] <TAFB_afk> there's a cheaper version with no heatsink posts :)
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[22:58] <mdszy> is there really any point to a heatsink on a Pi?
[22:59] <IT_Sean> nope
[22:59] <exo-squad> i was wondering that
[22:59] <mdszy> Unless you're overclocking it more than the config lets you?
[22:59] <mdszy> ah
[22:59] <TAFB_afk> yep, my Pi was running 32 degrees C average, vs almost 50 degrees in a plastic case
[22:59] <mdszy> ah
[22:59] <TAFB_afk> not that either of them are exceptional :)
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[22:59] <TAFB_afk> anything under 70c and you should be good
[22:59] <mdszy> I'm wondering if I could somehow do *something* with my old iPod Touch 4th gen and my Pi together.
[22:59] <mdszy> Somehow.
[22:59] <TAFB_afk> i just like my electronics to run as cool as possible :)
[23:00] <demure> anyone use the usb shields from http://www.pridopia.co.uk/ixx-rspi.html ?
[23:00] <TAFB_afk> mdszy: I just purchased my very first iDevice ever :) Ipod touch 4th gen.
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[23:00] <mdszy> TAFB_afk, nice!
[23:00] <mdszy> Mine's old, and it's all busted up
[23:00] <TAFB_afk> mdszy: It's getting installed on my motorcycle though, to record GPS on the race track. It's never even even played one song :)
[23:00] <mdszy> ahh, lol
[23:01] <TAFB_afk> http://ecuflashking.com/r1/2012-12-06-iPod_track_timer.jpg
[23:01] <mdszy> nice!
[23:01] <TAFB_afk> that's all it's ever gonna do :)
[23:01] <mdszy> heh
[23:02] <mdszy> My HTC One X replaced my iPod for me.
[23:02] <exo-squad> have any of you made a power source for the pi
[23:02] <mdszy> Made one?
[23:02] <exo-squad> to run it off batterys
[23:02] <mdszy> That seems like a less-than-great idea unless you know exactly what you're doing.
[23:02] <TAFB_afk> exo-squad: Mine runs of batteries/solar power
[23:02] <TAFB_afk> I'll link ya up the battery box I used, has dual 5v usb output, fully regulated, perfect for the Pi
[23:03] <mdszy> this is my iPod http://i.imgur.com/NsonimS.jpg
[23:03] <TAFB_afk> yikes, lol
[23:03] <exo-squad> i was going to try rechargable NiMH batter
[23:03] <exo-squad> s
[23:03] <TAFB_afk> exo-squad: I'm using 4 x 18650 3400mah Li-Ions, crazy powerful :)
[23:04] <exo-squad> oh man thats awesome
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[23:04] <TAFB_afk> here's the battery box: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-USB-5V-2A-Mobile-Power-Supply-18650-Battery-Charger-box-iphone-4s-5-/170922278103?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item27cbc2fcd7
[23:04] <TAFB_afk> I'll link ya up the best batteries to use
[23:04] <mdszy> I might get a Pibow.
[23:05] <mdszy> heard a lot of good things about those
[23:05] <TAFB_afk> best batteries money can buy: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4pcs-NEW-Panasonic-18650-NCR18650B-3-7V-3400mAh-Li-ion-Rechargeable-Battery-/251232457639?pt=US_Rechargeable_Batteries&hash=item3a7e9f13a7
[23:06] <exo-squad> TAFB_afk, what battery cells does it use
[23:06] <TAFB_afk> use unprotected batteries with that box (protected won't fit). box has deep discharge protection, etc.
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[23:06] <TAFB_afk> it uses any UNPROTECTED 18650 Lithium Ion batteries.
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[23:06] <TAFB_afk> it can use 1, 2, 3 or 4 batteries.
[23:07] <exo-squad> is the pink/white one you posted earlier good enough to run the pi for a few hours?
[23:07] <TAFB_afk> just make sure, when putting in more than one battery, they are all matched (similar age, use history, current charge voltage, etc.)
[23:07] <TAFB_afk> with four of those batteries I linked up, absolutely.
[23:08] <KiltedPi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV6kxQYGVs0
[23:08] <exo-squad> the 46 dollars batteries?
[23:08] <KiltedPi> Thats a link for a neat trick
[23:08] <TAFB_afk> yep, unfortunatly :(
[23:08] <KiltedPi> for AA batteries
[23:09] <exo-squad> i was thinking of making an 8 AA NiMH batteries with a volt regulator
[23:09] <TAFB_afk> I had it run my "b" 512mb Pi for 12 hours, battery box was flicking between 50% and 25% left, so still had room to go.
[23:09] <exo-squad> i feel like a little kid again with all these neat ideas
[23:10] <TAFB_afk> This is my solar panel I'm using, puts out a little over 4 amps in full sun, charges two of those battery boxes I linked up (so 8 of those above batteries): http://ecuflashking.com/2012-02-22-CottonPickers_solar_panel_folder/2012-02-22-CottonPickers_solar_panel_folder_large.jpg
[23:11] <exo-squad> how much did tjhat solar panel cost
[23:11] <exo-squad> also is it sturdy
[23:11] <TAFB_afk> probably around $200, I bought it with some other stuff. It's fully weatherproof, rock solid, can survive in a camping backpack, etc.
[23:12] <TAFB_afk> http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?229002-FS-Solar-Powered-amp-USB-Chargers-2-panels-added
[23:12] <Torikun> long time no see TAFB_afk
[23:12] <TAFB_afk> yeah, been super super busy :(
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[23:13] <Torikun> nice paels
[23:13] <exo-squad> TAFB_afk, do you think its worth it to makemy own person supply, or should i just abandon that and just buy one
[23:13] <TAFB> thanks :) Just waiting for a few current sensors and a board to hook em up to the Pi and I'll have some super awesome solar powered pi pics/graphs :)
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[23:14] <Torikun> what will this pi do
[23:14] <TAFB> exo-squad: so many things can go wrong. That battery box is cheap, has a charge controller, regulated output controller, etc. Can't beat that deal :) Charges at 2amps too (adjustable to 1amp and 0.5 amps too), so it's powerful.
[23:14] <TAFB> Torikun: It's for the local police. It will be mounted in a tree can stream a video feed/motion detection over 3G cell network.
[23:15] <Torikun> 1984!
[23:15] <Torikun> nice
[23:15] <Torikun> that will use a lot of bandwith
[23:15] <TAFB> yep, I think the police get the 3G modem for free :)
[23:17] <SpeedEvil> 4a at what voltage?
[23:18] <TAFB> 5v
[23:18] <TAFB> super nice not much gets lost in conversion :)
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> I hope you have lots of sun' and that's 100% unshaded.
[23:19] <TAFB> I'm in Canada, sun? lol :) I'm thinking I might need to downgrade to A pi :)
[23:19] <SpeedEvil> I,m in Scotland
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> to run a pi 24*7 needs about a 250w solar panel and a 110ah/q12v battery
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> 12v
[23:20] <TAFB> 250w, yikes! lol.
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> and that'll likely fall over 2 or 3 days
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[23:22] <SpeedEvil> winter weeks can be very, very dim.
[23:22] <TAFB> I've got current and voltage sensors coming for the Pi, so it'll measure solar output and plot it over the day, and measure the Pi's current draw and the battery draw/output/voltage so I should get an idea pretty quick, about what it'll need to run :)
[23:23] <Torikun> nice
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[23:25] <rvalles> hm, any sane way to reset (by hardware) a rev1 pi?
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> have a normally closed button on the power input. Push it - it turns it off momentarily.
[23:26] <rvalles> *cough*
[23:26] <rvalles> I'm trying to do it automated from another board.
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[23:26] <gordonDrogon> normally closed relay.
[23:27] <rvalles> I'm considering just putting a transistor in there :P
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[23:27] <rvalles> I have no relays handy.
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[23:27] <gordonDrogon> make sure the voltage drop over the transistor isn't too much - and that it'll handle the 700mA needed....
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[23:28] <gordonDrogon> You could ..... use a power transistor to simply short the +5v to ground ..
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[23:28] <rvalles> yeeah.
[23:28] <bennypr0fane> Hello, I have a Logitech K260 wireless keyboard+mouse set that both connect to the same USB receiver. If I unplug the usb dongle from the RasPi while the OS is running, and then plug it back in, it's dead, I can't get the mouse+keyboard back to life unless I reboot
[23:28] <SpeedEvil> TAFB: best plan is to find a local solar installation providing data
[23:28] <rvalles> I've thought about that already. A bit violent.
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> but you're then relying on the polyfuses, etc. and the PSUs own protection...
[23:29] <rvalles> I curse the idiot that didn't think about it for rev1
[23:29] <rvalles> reset should really be at the very least in the big gpio header
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> a lot of modern PCs don't have a reset button now either...
[23:30] <rvalles> the boards still have the headers
[23:30] <TAFB> SpeedEvil: There's a company going around installing full solar on peoples roof's for free. They get 50% of your energy savings for life! But they wouldn't do our roof, too many vents/obstructions, huge tree and roof peek goes wrong direction (needs to be east/west so solar panels will face south/north)
[23:30] <rvalles> if it was me I'd have gone even further
[23:30] <rvalles> and provided at least the footprint for a microsw
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[23:31] <rvalles> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/598344_10200292731060072_510011818_n.jpg
[23:32] <rvalles> Somebody went overkill.
[23:33] <SpeedEvil> TAFB: for example
[23:33] <SpeedEvil> http://pvoutput.org/aggregate.jsp?id=11202&sid=9215&v=0&t=w
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> this is an installation in Washington
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?df=20130127&dt=20130202&id=11202&sid=9215&t=w&gs=0&v=0 for example - the week of the 27th Jan
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[23:36] <SpeedEvil> on the 28th, output was about .4kwh/kw. or for your 20w panel, 8wh.
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> this would have run the pi - without anything else - for around 4 hours
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> neglecting any other inefficiencies
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> is your charger a peak power tracking charger?
[23:38] <TAFB> the charger is a cc/cv charger, sucks up any available current as long as voltage doesn't drop below 4.4v, and tried to provide up to 2amp charging current (for 4 x 18650 3400mah batteries)
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[23:40] <TAFB> I have two of those chargers running off the solar panel (so charging 8 x 18650 batteries total, up to 4 amps)
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> it's a linear chwqrger?
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> charger
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[23:41] <TAFB> not sure, charges all four of the batteries in parallel
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> does it have a big transistor that gets hot
[23:41] <TAFB> nope, barely gets warm. It's only taking 5v in, 4.2v out :)
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> the load is cut off if the cells drop voltage?
[23:42] <TAFB> yep, it drops USB output if battery voltage falls below 3.25v
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[23:43] <SpeedEvil> TAFB: east/west facing panels can be OK in some sites
[23:44] <SpeedEvil> http://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvgis/apps4/pvest.php is a useful calculator
[23:44] <SpeedEvil> (clearly more useful for Europe)
[23:44] <TAFB> rofl
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[23:46] <SpeedEvil> but an east facing panel gets about 650kwh/kw/year, while a south facing 850
[23:47] <TAFB> ahhh. the solar guys made it sound like you'd get 0% east :)
[23:47] <SpeedEvil> (middle of Scotland)
[23:47] <SpeedEvil> shading matters lots
[23:47] <TAFB> we have a huge blue spruce tree, like 100ft tall, right beside our house.
[23:47] <SpeedEvil> the 'rent a roof' people want to cherry pick, for the obvious reasons.
[23:48] <SpeedEvil> that 30% drop may make it uneconomic for them
[23:48] <SpeedEvil> cut off at 60 feet, bare the last 15 feet of trunk, bolt panels to it,
[23:48] <TAFB> ahhh, so they wouldn't be making much money off us, because we wouldn't be saving as much. makes sense now.
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[23:54] <Torikun> This may mean Pi will be more expensive soon =( Read more:??http://www.minyanville.com/sectors/technology/articles/Foxconn-Is-Failing-and-You2527re-About/2/22/2013/id/48322#ixzz2LfgIK7Dt
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[23:56] <Grievar> Torikun: that's a bit like complaining about cotton prices going up after the civil war
[23:56] <Torikun> lol
[23:56] <Grievar> the prices are going up because they're prices that should never have been charged in the first place
[23:56] <Torikun> Yeah
[23:56] <Torikun> Look how cheap laptops and desktops got
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[23:57] <Torikun> The free market made it this way at the cost of jobs and outsourcing
[23:57] <Grievar> If you think the pi is too expensive then buy the components and try to assemble it yourself
[23:57] <Torikun> I am saying the pi is a good price now
[23:57] <Torikun> i hope it will not go up too much in near future
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