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IRC Log for 2013-02-25

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[0:10] <humbolt> Thank god XBMC is open source
[0:10] <Nebukadneza> heho
[0:10] <Nebukadneza> in what respect? ;)
[0:10] <humbolt> That way, maybe somebody will lay hands on that idiotic interface some day
[0:10] <humbolt> OMFG
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[0:11] <humbolt> The framework seems good enough, transitions smooth and some kind of skinning available
[0:12] <humbolt> but man, I don not want to control my TV that way. No.
[0:14] <Nebukadneza> hehe
[0:15] <humbolt> Most programmers think way to complicated, when it comes to interfaces. They want the interface to be able to do anything. Instead of making it work well for what 80% of users want to do with it and forgetting about the rest.
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[0:16] <humbolt> But still, opensource is awsome. The frameworks are great. And at least we have the chance to improve on things.
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[0:17] <Nebukadneza> hehe ;)
[0:17] <Nebukadneza> i've also got a strange xbmc problem ATM and trying to find my way through the source
[0:18] <Nebukadneza> for some reason webradio streams (e.g. shoutcast2 addon) buffers only ~10sec, and after ~5-10 minutes the buffer is empty, but it won't stop playing
[0:18] <Nebukadneza> so i get "Playing 12:30 / 10:33", which obviously results in silence
[0:18] <Nebukadneza> even though the internet connection is fast enough, and the streaming server is fast enough
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[0:22] <xbskid> So I just bought a SanDisk 16GB MicroSD card (SU16G) and I'm trying it out with my Pi, but, uh, I'm encountering some strange behavior.
[0:23] <xbskid> When I reboot, the green ACT light stays on and the device won't boot unless I stick the card in my PC, back up, then rewrite the boot files.
[0:23] <Scriven> Anyone found a voltage/amperage meter I can plug into the gpio somewhere, or will I need to diy something?
[0:24] <Scriven> want to measure Rpi and other device draw, as well as battery conditions/usage.
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[0:27] <Nebukadneza> xbskid: what distro/package?
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[0:28] <Nebukadneza> i have a sandisk 16gb sdhc class10 card, and most bootloaders/firmwares won't boot from it
[0:28] <Nebukadneza> only raspbian so far
[0:28] <ParkerR> Scriven, You would have to monitor the main power input
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[0:29] <xbskid> Nebukadneza: It occurs with BerryBoot and Raspbian; I have not tried any others. I have another SanDisk SD card, 1GB, that does not show this behavior.
[0:30] <xbskid> Nebukadneza: It'll boot, but something gets corrupted during reboot.
[0:30] <xbskid> And then it won't boot. :P
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[0:30] <xbskid> And I think mine's a UHS-1-rated card
[0:31] <xbskid> Power cycling does not help
[0:31] <Scriven> ParkerR, I actually want to monitor at 2+ different places: 1) battery itself, 2+: Inputs for each load (pi, lcd, usb hub, etc).
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[0:31] <xbskid> I ran md5sum on the files compared to the backups I made, then rewrote to the card, and they're identical.
[0:32] <ParkerR> Scriven, I dont think the GPIO is going to help you there. You would have to be inline on every source you wanted to measure
[0:32] <ParkerR> Or output
[0:32] <Scriven> ParkerR, Will have to fine i2c or spi versions then, I suppose.
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[0:35] <piney> Scriven, an ADC (analog digital converter) and some resistors to act as a voltage divider would get you voltage readings
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[0:36] <piney> there are a few different ways to do current sensing, i like this approach myself http://www.adafruit.com/products/904
[0:38] <Scriven> Interesting, piney. I don't like the 3.2A maximum, I'd like 5A at least (similar rating to voltage regulator).
[0:38] <Scriven> The maths around this stuff has always screwed my head.
[0:39] <Nebukadneza> xbskid: strange... for me it didn't even boot oO
[0:40] <xbskid> When I run memtester, it also only grabs 190MB
[0:40] <Scriven> It seems there are the things I'm looking for, so at least that gives me hope. lol
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[0:45] <piney> Scriven, how accurate?
[0:45] <piney> a CT sensor converts amps to voltage, but they are typically for higher amperage readings
[0:46] <piney> CT sensor is what multimeters use when they clamp a wire to get current readings
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[0:47] <xbskid> Okay, so maybe the card is busted.
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[0:47] <xbskid> I put BerryBoot on my 1GB normal SD card, booted, installed memtester, rebooted with no issue, and memtester is correctly asking for ~450MB RAM
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[0:49] <Scriven> piney, Well, as accurate as i can w/o it being over expensive or over-my-head to implement. lol
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[0:49] <piney> openenergymonitor uses ct sensors for amps and ADC for voltage readings, they convert the readings to KWh (like the electric meter on the side of your house) and get ~5% accuracy
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[0:50] <piney> Scriven, i have to run out for a little, bbl
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[1:08] <TAFB_afk> piney: I'm going to be setting my Pi up as a data logger for my little solar panel and battery pack :)
[1:09] <nada0> what kind of data are you logging?
[1:09] <TAFB_afk> current draw between battery pack and solar panel, solar panel output voltage, Pi current draw and battery pack voltage.
[1:10] <TAFB_afk> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-02-22-CottonPickers_solar_panel_folder/2012-02-22-CottonPickers_solar_panel_folder_large.jpg
[1:10] <TAFB_afk> did some load tests on my battery pack :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-02-22-CottonPickers_solar_panel_folder/2012-02-22-battery_box_2amp_runtime_test_large.jpg
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[1:12] <nada0> looks interesting
[1:13] <nada0> more advanced then anything I have done with the Pi
[1:13] <SpeedEvil> I need to get my panels setup again.
[1:13] <SpeedEvil> making an AC diode is hard
[1:13] <SpeedEvil> to stop back feeding the grid.
[1:14] <TAFB_afk> I'm using this analog to digital converter: http://www.abelectronics.co.uk/products/3/Raspberry-Pi/17/ADC-Pi-V2---Raspberry-Pi-Analogue-to-Digital-converter
[1:14] <TAFB_afk> I'm using these to measure the current draw of the Pi and of the battery pack: http://www.ebay.com/itm/160898542592
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[1:31] <xbskid> I can't tell whether it's my card or my Pi at fault :<
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[2:46] <GabrialDestruir> This probably isn't the place to ask, but I was hoping someone here might know, I just recently updated my router and lost a bunch of features (ssh, bandwidth monitor, etc) is it possible to use an rpi as a network bandwidth monitor without having to put it between the router and modem?
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[2:48] <chithead> possibly, if the router supports querying that through snmp
[2:49] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not sure it does, it's a Cisco EA4500 running the Cloud Connect software.
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[2:54] <GabrialDestruir> Nope, it doesn't due to being a consumer product.
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[2:56] <Pokstreet> hello there, I'm using putty with ssh to log into RP, but now the session seems to be lost (the windows freezed) becasuse of the slow network, how can I reconnet the same session when I restart putty? thanks
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[2:56] <pksato> Pokstreet: no.
[2:57] <Pokstreet> :(
[2:58] <Scriven> Pokstreet, that's why some of us install 'screen' on our shells. So you can leave the shell, but screen hopefully keeps running. Next time you log back into the shell you re-connect to screen and Bam, everything's back.
[2:58] <pksato> Use screen or similar to keep session, between tty reopens. screen run on server side.
[2:59] <GabrialDestruir> Screen is a wonderful program.
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[2:59] <mdszy> tmux!
[2:59] <tzarc> +1 for tmux
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[3:04] <imperia> hello. i am running raspbian. i installed 'aptitude install openarena', but when i run the executable it can't find the opengl hardware. so does this package works out of the box or i have to install something else? maybe the package changed because openarena was working on my previous installation.
[3:04] <GabrialDestruir> Oh yay... my raspbmc doesn't want to see my windows shares by default... yay!
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[3:09] <chithead> screen and tmux are bloatware compared to dtach+dvtm
[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> Is there a way to put a device into promiscuous mode and calculate bandwidth that way? >.>
[3:13] <chithead> maybe if you perform a mac flooding attack on your switch. but that might skew your calculations
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm. ARP Poisoning... man in the middle... that could work.
[3:18] <SebastianFlyte> I was wondering in a Pi running Adafruit can mount a USB portable hard drive, either FAT or NTFS??
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[3:20] <pksato> ?
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[3:27] * Firehopper yays, my wireless dongle should arrive tomorrow
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[3:35] <Firehopper> is there a command line program that will monitor temps?
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[3:37] <malcom2073> Does lm-sensors work on the pi?
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[3:38] <Firehopper> no idea :)
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[3:42] <TAFB_afk> watch /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
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[3:45] <Firehopper> thanks TAFB_afk
[3:45] <Firehopper> :>
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[4:04] <TAFB_afk> np
[4:04] <TAFB_afk> you can setup a freaky status page if you want to, to remotely keep an eye on your pi temp :)
[4:05] <TAFB_afk> http://tafb.yi.org (source code at the bottom)
[4:05] <TAFB_afk> the box that page is running on doesn't support cpu temp query :(
[4:07] <xbskid> So, weird occurrence; my Pi booted my 16gig SD card, and memtester is actually detecting and getting more RAM than with the 1GB card
[4:08] <tzarc> is the gfx mem set differently?
[4:09] <xbskid> Nope. Same files, same installation steps, same mem-split
[4:10] <xbskid> Only difference I can find is my Pi runs my 1GB normal SD card with no issues, but reboots do something to the 16GB MicroSDHC card that prevent it from booting after a shutdown
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[4:18] <xbskid> Hey.... memtester finally made it through a loop without getting killed by the kernel
[4:20] <GabrialDestruir> Going from a router with bandwidth monitoring to a router without is like removing a vital sense.... I have a slow down in my internet speed but have no clue if something is pulling it.
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[4:36] <xbskid> Since I can't figure out what the hell is going on with my RasPi, should I invest in a serial cable?
[4:37] <s5fs> xbskid: totally worth it imho
[4:37] <xbskid> Luckily for me my only planned project can run on my 1gig card
[4:38] <s5fs> xbskid: i do all my rpi work via serial, it's dead easy. single cable provides power and data, perfect for what i need.
[4:38] <xbskid> s5fs: I was thinking the serial cable from Adafruit; is that what you use?
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[4:40] <s5fs> xbskid: yes, that's the one
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[4:40] <s5fs> xbskid: i am used to using rs232 with other devices, so it was a bummer i had to buy another cable just for the rpi
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[4:41] <xbskid> I had to hack together my own serial cable to break into a Sun Fire server I bought on eBay. :) RJ-45 on the other end.
[4:42] <s5fs> xbskid: you see that on cisco gear as well, 9-pin to some rj45-looking interface
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[4:46] <xbskid> s5fs: I might pony up for Adafruit's Starter Pack; get the wall wart, serial cable, USB card reader, breadboarding goodies.
[4:47] <s5fs> xbskid: if you have nothing, that's a good way to go. i had most of that crap already from other projects. gotta make the investment sometime.
[4:48] <xbskid> I don't have any of it, except for the MicroUSB cable.
[4:49] <ParkerR> TAFB_afk, You around?
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[4:53] <ParkerR> Anybody here using the Pi status page?
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[5:01] <ParkerR> I have it partially working http://minecrafted.mooo.com/
[5:02] <ParkerR> Some of the values aren't getting populate
[5:02] <ParkerR> d
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[5:17] <piney> I have almost been dreading getting back in to C programming cause I haven't done it in 2-3 years, been scripting in php basically. but It's going along a lot better than I thought
[5:20] <Scriven> piney, I'm afraid to make a similar leap. Never was great at C, but wanted to be. lol!
[5:20] <Xark> piney: It is a good language (and none look likely to totally replace it anytime soon), but it does force you to be careful and pay attention. :)
[5:21] <piney> i'm quick in php, and can do stuff in C. hence to say, i make php do things i should do in C until i hit a wall
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[5:22] <Xark> piney: That is reasonable. It makes sense to stay "high level" whenever possible (especially when you are more comfortable there).
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[5:23] <piney> if php did threads, i don't know if i would know C lol
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[5:24] <Xark> piney: Heh, C doesn't really do threads either (the language proper). :)
[5:25] <piney> no, but pthreads works for me though, i have spawned seperate processes in php. but can still hit a wall doing that in php
[5:26] <ParkerR> Ok since there are more people active: anyone using the Pi status page?
[5:27] <piney> this project will be simple. it's just reading a few ds18b20 1wire temperature sensors and outputting that to a sql database
[5:27] <piney> ParkerR, i did once for 5 minutes, that was it
[5:27] <ParkerR> piney, Ahh ok. Just trying to figure out why some values are populating but others arent
[5:28] <piney> check the php error log?
[5:28] <ParkerR> Where?
[5:29] <piney> not sure
[5:29] <piney> /me gives the wise remark of checking documentation
[5:29] <piney> fail
[5:30] <piney> mine is /var/log/php-fpm.log might be different for you
[5:31] <piney> might be in an apache log too
[5:35] <ParkerR> I would never let apache near my Pi XD
[5:36] <piney> ^ wise man
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[5:38] <ParkerR> lighttpd atm
[5:38] <ParkerR> + php-fastcgi
[5:38] <piney> nginx + php-fpm here
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[5:39] <piney> chrooted php, different user for each virtualhost
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[5:40] <ParkerR> Nice
[5:40] <piney> that's why i couldn't get that pi status page working easily. all the exec() commands
[5:40] <ParkerR> I think php and lighttpd are just running as a service atm for me. So root
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[5:46] <Scriven> ParkerR, where'd that status page software come from, it looks interesting.
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[5:47] <ParkerR> Scriven, http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/piwww.zip
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[5:47] <Scriven> TY, is there a webpage that talks about it too?
[5:48] <ParkerR> Not sure
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[5:49] <piney> atouk made it, he's in here sometimes. i don't know of a webpage for that app though
[5:54] <TAFB_afk> there's a readme text file in that zip
[5:54] <TAFB_afk> that talks a bit about how to set it up
[5:54] <TAFB_afk> any questions, lemme kno
[5:55] <TAFB_afk> http://tafb.yi.org is my customized version of it for Arch :)
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[6:16] <Scriven> tres cool, thanks. Will peak at it tomorrow.
[6:16] <Scriven> Just learned the Wii Nunchuck is I2C too, so more ideas I'm getting now... lol
[6:16] <piney> never knew that was i2c
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[6:18] <ParkerR> Hahahahaha
[6:18] <ParkerR> Couldnt figure out why a php exec call wasnt working
[6:19] <ParkerR> Was trying $cmd="espeak hello" then exec($cmd)
[6:19] <ParkerR> Turns out I had to sudo usermod -a -G audio www-data
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[6:23] <ParkerR> Well... if you want to have fun making my Pi say things add anything you want after the /q= http://minecrafted.mooo.com/speak.php?q=
[6:23] <Scriven> piney, there's even 2 different breakout boards for it, that plug right into the nunchuck and provide pins.
[6:23] <ParkerR> */q=
[6:23] <ParkerR> *?q=
[6:23] <piney> Scriven, i haven't had a use for it yet, but knew it existed if that makes sense
[6:24] <piney> nice to know its i2c though
[6:24] <piney> i have that on my pi breadboard already
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[7:14] <anish[1]> hello, I am trying to compile linux for raspberry and I followed the steps mentioned here http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation. I was getting cc1 not found problem eventhough it was present in raspberry tool chain.
[7:14] <anish[1]> anyone have tried it?
[7:15] <ShiftPlusOne> You followed the steps exactly?
[7:16] <anish[1]> I think i have not set cross compiler path correctly but just wanted to know if followed the steps mentioned will it work?
[7:16] <anish[1]> @ShiftPlusOne:
[7:17] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't used that page, but at a glance, all the information is there.
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[7:17] <anish[1]> @ShiftPlusOne:It would be nice if I try whatever has been tried before by someone.Would you mind sharing the link?
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[7:18] <anish[1]> @ShiftPlusOne:I am planning to by a hdmi monitor just for this purpose.Right now I am using my TV for the output.
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[7:19] <ShiftPlusOne> No, I don't have a link, I just know how to compile a kernel through experience.
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[7:19] <SwK> to hack the RCA and 1/8" jacks off my rev1 pi or not
[7:19] <ShiftPlusOne> do it
[7:20] <ShiftPlusOne> for some reason it takes a lot of heat to melt the solder though =(
[7:20] <SwK> yeah
[7:20] <SwK> lotta mass to those tabs
[7:20] <Grievar> for some reason other than it's lead-free?
[7:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Even mass aside, just removing a diode took ages.
[7:21] <anish[1]> @ShiftPlusOne:last question:will ubuntu 10.10 will pose any problems in creating a image?I think downloaded tools of raspberry pi should be enough.
[7:21] <SwK> i'm sure the ROHS thing has something to with it also
[7:21] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
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[7:22] <Grievar> ShiftPlusOne: add leaded solder to the joint to dilute the lead-free, it'll melt more easily
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[7:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Makes sense
[7:23] <ShiftPlusOne> anish[1], I don't know about ubuntu. If that version is compatable with this particular ARM, then sure. Ask in #ubuntu-arm
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[7:23] <anish[1]> @ShiftPlusOne:but I am using downloaded cross compile how does it matter?
[7:24] <SwK> damn it
[7:24] <ShiftPlusOne> You're going to recompile all of the ubuntu packages? O_o
[7:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Oh nvrm, I see what you are saying, my mistake
[7:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah ubuntu is fine
[7:24] <SwK> i cant find my cutters
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[7:27] <Viper-7> hmm
[7:27] <Viper-7> receiving IR on the pi
[7:27] <Viper-7> best way? ideas?
[7:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Viper-7, http://aron.ws/projects/lirc_rpi/ ?
[7:29] <SwK> anyone with eagle6 around mind looking at a design before I waste money on it lol
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[7:30] <ShiftPlusOne> I would, but I use kicad and probably wouldn't notice anything you haven't anyway. >.>
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[7:31] <SwK> you might lol
[7:32] <SwK> its been a long time since I had boards spun
[7:33] <Viper-7> ShiftPlusOne: nice, but not a fan of needing a real receiver module
[7:33] <anish[1]> and one more thing yesterday I noticed.When I was using dd bs=4M and was using this flash the wheezy or all the downloaded images raspberry pi was not booting so when I started trying out the windows image downloader tool and it worked.I wonder what is the problem.
[7:33] <Viper-7> should be easy enough to bandpass the 38kHz signal in software, but looks like that module doesnt support it
[7:33] <Viper-7> maybe ill get coding >:D
[7:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Good luck
[7:34] <neirpyc> Dangit! Was tired of my WiFi constantly dropping on the Pi so I went through the motions of setting up an actual wired router and I don't have a spare LAN cable anywhere in the house...
[7:34] <Viper-7> timing issues on the pi will give me grief im sure
[7:34] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't have a clue about digital filtering
[7:34] <Viper-7> maybe edge detection will save me there, but thats a whole lot of interrupts :S
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[7:35] <Viper-7> the pi can only decode up to about 100Hz in software reliably
[7:35] <Viper-7> thanks to the kernel ninjaing time when it feels like it
[7:35] <anunnaki> neirpyc: did you have a hdmi adaptor connected?
[7:35] <ShiftPlusOne> What about the real time patches for the kernel?
[7:35] <Viper-7> even with them
[7:36] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[7:36] <Viper-7> they help, and get the maximum delay time for a process scheduled for real-time to just under 10ms
[7:36] <ShiftPlusOne> And using an attiny or something isn't something you want to do?
[7:36] <neirpyc> anunnaki: Yeah, to the TV. Why?
[7:36] <Viper-7> but yeah, that gives you a nyquist of like 50Hz
[7:36] <Viper-7> well i intially thought about doing this with a USB PIC
[7:37] <Viper-7> it`d be nicer to use the gpio, but im too cheap to spend the $0.50 on a real IR receiver module :P
[7:37] <Viper-7> (more like dont want to wait for it)
[7:37] <anunnaki> neirpyc: i read in a couple forums of people having bad wifi connection, and it was they were the ones who used the adaptors. I guess the adaptors arent shielded well and interfere with the frequency
[7:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I doubt you'll code up anything faster than the time it takes to receive the module >_<
[7:38] <SwK> Viper-7: you could wire up something like a ATtiny45 to the i2c bus
[7:38] <Viper-7> SwK: i`d sooner just use USB
[7:38] <neirpyc> anunnaki: Ah, it's not the signal. It's my adaptor itself. It needs more power than the Pi can deal with so if too many connections hit it at once it just turns off.
[7:38] <Viper-7> my i2c channels are usually in use ;)
[7:39] <Viper-7> ShiftPlusOne: well in theory, the whole process should be as simple as setting a gpio pin to input, enabling the pull-up resistor, and connecting an IR receiver diode directly between that GPIO pin and ground
[7:39] <SwK> more then 7 bits worth of addressing?
[7:39] <Viper-7> the rest should be possible in software
[7:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Viper-7, I think I've seen that done already.
[7:39] <ShiftPlusOne> I think if you exercise your google-fu, you'll find it.
[7:40] <SwK> http://funduino.blogspot.com/2012/02/tiny-ananta.html that
[7:40] <Viper-7> ShiftPlusOne: kinda why i was asking here :)
[7:40] <Viper-7> SwK: nope, but its already carrying data bursts which saturate the bus from a single address for short periods
[7:40] <Viper-7> and sif tiny :P MSP430 or PIC ftw :D
[7:41] <SwK> Viper-7: http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slaa330/slaa330.pdf
[7:41] <Viper-7> i wonder if i can just constantly shift in from SPI at 76kbit
[7:42] <SwK> with the MSP430 as an i2c slave
[7:42] <Viper-7> SwK: lol yeah, i have several doing that atm ;)
[7:42] <Viper-7> the main i2c slave is a parallax propeller tho
[7:42] <SwK> that particular datasheet shows IR also
[7:43] <Viper-7> SPI @ 76kbit should give me nyquist for 38kHz, and the RPi`s hardware buffer should sort my timing issues out
[7:43] <Viper-7> band-pass and decode, and im golden
[7:43] <Viper-7> the only issue there will be gain
[7:43] <Viper-7> i doubt the IR receiver will give a clean logic signal :P
[7:44] <SwK> that propeller looks interesting
[7:44] <Viper-7> the pad drive strength and programmable pull-up are unrelated arent they?
[7:45] <piney> I want to make my msp430 in to a real time clock for the pi and communicate over i2c. i haven't programmed an msp430 yet though, and will start simpler than that.
[7:45] <SpeedEvil> IR receiver modules do give pretty much logic out
[7:45] <Viper-7> i cant adjust the strength of the pull-up when in input mode?
[7:45] <Viper-7> SpeedEvil: IR receiver diode, not a module with actual decoding
[7:45] <Viper-7> aka, 2 pins, not 3
[7:45] <SpeedEvil> sure
[7:45] <SpeedEvil> doing that right is annoying
[7:46] <SpeedEvil> the modules have filtering, gain, all in one blob
[7:48] <Viper-7> programmable pull-up has a fixed 10k resistor
[7:48] <Viper-7> bugger :<
[7:48] <Viper-7> ok fine, time to scavenge some old stereos / vcrs for a receiver module
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[8:24] <andoma> can the rpi do 1080p50 or 1080p60 ?
[8:24] <andoma> at which level? . my google-fu is low
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[8:30] <andoma> 1080p30 it seems
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[8:56] <MrDrake> Hi, can anyone here help with sharing the internet via ethernet with Mac OS X?
[8:56] <ShiftPlusOne> probably, but a mac channel might be more helpful.
[8:57] <MrDrake> This is a Pi specific question
[8:57] <ShiftPlusOne> not really, most of what needs to be done will be done on the mac.
[8:57] <Triffid_Hunter> MrDrake: how is it pi specific?
[8:58] <MrDrake> Because I want to share the internet with the Pi
[8:58] <Triffid_Hunter> MrDrake: when your mac is set up to do dns forwarding, nat routing and dhcp server then it doesn't matter what's on the ethernet port; it'll be able to get internet
[8:58] <MrDrake> And I've tried all sorts of changes to /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf without any luck so far
[8:59] <Triffid_Hunter> MrDrake: you have to change things on the mac if you want the mac to act as a nat router
[8:59] <ShiftPlusOne> There is nothing special you need to do on the pi to get it to work. If you have a dhcp server of some sort running on your mac and have the connection forwarded, it will work straight away.
[8:59] <MrDrake> Ahhh so perhaps it is on my Mac end...
[8:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Is it going to be a static IP or is there a dhcp server?
[9:00] <MrDrake> I have set my Pi up with static IP
[9:01] <MrDrake> My Mac has DHCP with custom IP
[9:01] <Triffid_Hunter> MrDrake: well if your pi has static ip, then set mac as gateway and dns server, rest is done on the mac
[9:02] <MrDrake> I've tried setting the gateway and nameserver as the Mac IP, but still nothing. Is there something else I'm missing?
[9:03] <Triffid_Hunter> MrDrake: most likely your mac isn't set up to perform NAT routing between the two interfaces
[9:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Only you can know that. Either read more about networking or follow a clear step-by-step guide. This is not a pi specific question so there should be lots of resources out there, just search for mac to linux connection sharing.
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[9:04] <MrDrake> Okay, thanks for the help guys
[9:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Not that we were any, but no problem.
[9:05] <MrDrake> You've given me a direction to go, it was helpful!
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[9:40] <j0d3> buenos d??as
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[9:56] <gordonDrogon> morning...
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[11:39] <Joeboy> Morning
[11:41] <neirpyc> heya
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[14:20] <cityLights> hi
[14:20] <cityLights> when I build gcc for raspberry pi need I use the hardend flag?
[14:21] <cityLights> is this ok:
[14:21] <cityLights> [ebuild NS ] sys-devel/gcc-4.6.3:4.6 [4.5.4:4.5] USE="cxx fortran mudflap nls nptl openmp (-altivec) -doc (-fixed-point) -gcj -graphite -gtk (-hardened) (-libssp) (-multilib) -multislot -nopie -nossp -objc -objc++ -objc-gc {-test} -vanilla"
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[14:22] <Weaselweb> cityLights: harded is only used for a specific profile. you don't set it manually
[14:22] <cityLights> how long will it take the raspberry pi to build gcc?
[14:22] <cityLights> 1 day?
[14:23] <cityLights> somehow I can't build avahi for it
[14:23] <cityLights> by the way I am using gentoo on it
[14:23] <Weaselweb> yeah, i know you're using gentoo
[14:24] <cityLights> second question, how to connect a simple push button to the GPIO?
[14:24] <cityLights> I am thinking of two resistors
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[14:24] <cityLights> and a small capacitor in parallel to the button
[14:25] <cityLights> Weaselweb: I had to increase the ionodes for the /var/tmp/portage file system
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[14:34] <Weaselweb> cityLights: I do cross-compiling asmuch as I can
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[14:38] * Joeboy has been trying to build a cross compiler for ~2 days
[14:39] <Joeboy> It's not a quick or easy process
[14:40] <TomWij> cityLights: You can't compile gcc on the Raspberry Pi.
[14:41] <cityLights> I now have an ubuntu laptop so its harder to match a gcc version
[14:41] <anew> how do i connect my rapberry to my laptop to set it up? i plugged in the hdmi but then what ?
[14:41] <cityLights> TomWij: why not?
[14:42] <cityLights> Weaselweb: can you quickpkg gcc 4.6.2 and share it?
[14:42] <cityLights> gcc untar is 622Mb
[14:42] <Weaselweb> Joeboy: on gentoo with crossdev it is pretty simple
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[14:43] <Weaselweb> cityLights: no space/place to upload
[14:43] <TomWij> cityLights: arm stage3 has a pre-built compiler that does not intent to recompile gcc, so in order to put a new compiler on it you'll need to cross-compile one.
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[14:44] <cityLights> Weaselweb: torrent?
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[14:45] <Weaselweb> cityLights: I'm not at my home box atm.
[14:45] <Weaselweb> IIRC I updated to gcc-4.6 some weeks ago on my rpi box itself
[14:45] <cityLights> no problem, I can wait
[14:45] <Joeboy> I can provide an ad-hoc web-based uploader if that's any help
[14:45] <cityLights> good
[14:45] <Joeboy> although I don't want to host anything for any length of time
[14:46] <Joeboy> aargh, "C compiler cannot create executables"
[14:46] <Joeboy> Yes it can!
[14:46] <cityLights> this is my issue
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[14:50] <cityLights> or use dropbox
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[14:52] <anew> hey guys once i connect my rpi to my laptop with hdmi
[14:52] <anew> how can i use my laptop as a monitor ?
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[14:54] <TomWij> Weaselweb: Updating and compiling is a world apart, and you can only compile it if it came with a compiler which is capable of compiling itself.
[14:55] <TomWij> anew: Connecting two output ports sounds dangerous to me; ignoring that possible risks, since they are both output you can't do such thing I think.
[14:56] <anew> dangerous?
[14:56] <anew> so what are the hdmi ports for then tomwij
[14:56] <anew> i thought it was to connect rpi to a monitor
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[14:56] <ShiftPlusOne> the one on your laptop is likely to be output as well
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[14:57] <Weaselweb> TomWij: having a compiler to compile itself is default on gentoo
[14:57] <anew> i dont understand how it's dangrous to do
[14:57] <TomWij> It's probably protected against it since both sides have the same end, but there are kinds of cables where this can end up frying the port(s).
[14:58] <metaman> i would like to connect an old telephone to my raspberry pi, so that it rings me up on changed dyn ip (this happens unregularly), so that i can call it back and it tts me the new ip. has anyone heard of something like that and do you think it is posible?
[14:58] <TomWij> anew: Yes, it is used to connect it to a monitor, which has an "input" port for it. But the ports on both your RPi and Laptop are most likely "output". The video data can only go from "output" to "input".
[14:58] <TomWij> If both sides are sending out video data, but no side is listening, there isn't going to happen much.
[14:58] <anew> ok
[14:58] <anew> damn
[14:59] <anew> so if i connect to my network can i ssh into it before i put an os on it ?
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> metaman, you need an analog telephone adapter (ATA) to connect your old telephone to. These hae Ethernet ports. You then need to run something on the Pi like Asterisk (a software PBX) then you need to write some software to get asterisk to call the phone when the Pi detects a changed IP address. Good luck.
[15:00] <ShiftPlusOne> If you don't have an os on it, you cannot connect to the network O_o
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[15:00] <ShiftPlusOne> You don't pop a cd in and run through an installation. Read the instructions.
[15:01] <anew> yeah everything says plug into a monitor - i dont have a monitor :S
[15:01] <Hodapp> well, this is silly, I can really only run Weston & Wayland on my Raspberry Pi :P
[15:01] <anew> what are my options with no monitor ?
[15:01] <metaman> gordonDrogon: i want to do it with the gpio, and write an own daemon to manage everything
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> metaman, good luck.
[15:01] <Hodapp> my other machine is Nvidia and I need CUDA so I can't run Nouveau and actually get KMS
[15:01] <Hodapp> and I guess this is still Wayland without EGL?
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[15:04] <cityLights> TomWij: so far gcc is building well
[15:05] <cityLights> but, yes I prefer a gcc tbz
[15:05] <cityLights> my aim is to emerge avahi
[15:05] <Hodapp> metaman: why not do it with something like Google Voice? You can do calls there, can't you?
[15:05] <cityLights> I can emerge many other programs
[15:05] <cityLights> nfs-utils failed to emerge untill I rememrged glibc
[15:06] <metaman> i dont want to outsource anything of it
[15:06] <cityLights> does anyone here know the hardware side to connect a push button?
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[15:06] <cityLights> is there someone I should wait for?
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[15:06] <Hodapp> cityLights: if it's a single-ganged push button, it probably has only two terminals, maybe three.
[15:07] <Hodapp> cityLights: what are you trying to do?
[15:07] <cityLights> right, I am asking about the electronic side
[15:07] <cityLights> which resistors and which capacitor
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> cityLights, wires?
[15:07] <cityLights> I want to have a push button
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> cityLights, for a switch you don't need resistors or capacitors.
[15:08] <Hodapp> cityLights: 'terminals' pertains to the electronic side, really
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[15:08] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: well, if it's left floating in one condition and perhaps he wants it pulled high, he might need a resistor
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, the Pi has internal resistors designed for that.
[15:08] <cityLights> Hodapp: I didnt understand your last answer
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[15:09] <cityLights> which GPIO has pull ups?
[15:09] <cityLights> and how am I adviced to connect the push button
[15:09] <cityLights> ?
[15:09] <cityLights> I want a capacitor in parallel to the button to potect from nosie
[15:09] <cityLights> protect
[15:09] <cityLights> protect from noise
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> the Pi's GPIOs have internal pull up and pull-downs which you can activate via software.
[15:10] <cityLights> really?
[15:10] <hellsing> for a switch on only need an anti bounce in your code
[15:10] <cityLights> how?
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> cityLights, You do not want a capacitor in parallel.
[15:10] <cityLights> why?
[15:10] <cityLights> 10nf
[15:10] <cityLights> 1nf
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> oh well, have it your way.
[15:10] <cityLights> it will charge fast
[15:10] <cityLights> please exaplin why not
[15:10] <cityLights> I wan to know
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> please explain why you think it's needed.
[15:11] <hellsing> the noise on a switch?
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[15:11] <gordonDrogon> what noise?
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[15:11] <cityLights> yes the noise the switch makes
[15:11] <hellsing> even if you commute up to 10khz (and you re fast)
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> bounce?
[15:11] <Hodapp> I'm assuming he's referring to the bounce that's inherent in most mechanical switches
[15:11] <cityLights> mechanical noise turns to electrical noise
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[15:11] <hellsing> yeah the bounce, but in the code you manage it
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> well you're wrong.
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> bounce yes, noise no.
[15:12] <cityLights> ok sir
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> go read some simple electronics & circuit diagrams
[15:12] <cityLights> how to activate the pull ups?
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> Actually, do you have a Pi in front of you?
[15:12] <cityLights> yes I do
[15:12] <hellsing> the electrical noise of a switch must be very small, the noise come from thermic noise and 1/f...
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> turn it over.
[15:13] <cityLights> ok
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> look at the SD card. IT has a swtich in it. Look at it. Look at it on the circuit diagram. You will not find a capacitor or a resistor between that switch and the Pi's GPIO.
[15:13] <cityLights> min, call
[15:15] <Hodapp> debouncing in software is going to handle most of this.
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[15:17] <Hodapp> most debounce routines - if you get some spurious noise that doesn't culminate in a full transition, it will just ignore it.
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[15:18] <gordonDrogon> people want to make things complicated )-:
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> switches are the simplest of things.
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[15:18] <Hodapp> not to mention - how much do you even need debouncing, unless you're setting up something like rising-edge interrupts?
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> I've found the cheap PCB button types bounce for 1-5ms typically.
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> so even a crude 20mS delay is enough.
[15:19] <hellsing> no debouncing is needed with push switch
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> if you say so.
[15:20] <hellsing> was responding to Hodapp
[15:20] <Hodapp> hellsing: pretty much all mechanical switches are going to have bounce that you can see on a scope if you look.
[15:20] <hellsing> a delay can act as a good debouncing indeed
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[15:21] <Hodapp> hellsing: even if it's an extraordinarily smooth switch, you are still liable to get things like tiny ephemeral arcs when the switch is close to being closed, but not quite there yet.
[15:21] <hellsing> yes i know, that why i told to use debouncing code :p
[15:21] <Hodapp> you said no debouncing is needed.
[15:21] <hellsing> ok i get it: no, debouncing
[15:21] <hellsing> sorry typo error
[15:21] <Hodapp> :)
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> I think I'll go get some lunch. switches need debouncing. the Pi has internal pull up/down resistors. people like to make things complicated for themselves for no real reason, so who am I to tell them otherwise!!!
[15:22] <Hodapp> It's odd working as a software developer with a degree in EE. Sometimes I slip into the mode where when $developer says something is 'fast', he means microseconds or nanoseconds, not seconds.
[15:23] <Joeboy> What's a factor of 10**9 between friends
[15:23] <cityLights> gordonDrogon: ok I see
[15:23] <Hodapp> Joeboy :P
[15:24] <hellsing> i'm a EE and for me fast is ps...
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[15:24] <Joeboy> I'm trying to build a cross compiler and fast would be < 3 days
[15:25] <Hodapp> Joeboy: ahhhh, summon-arm-toolchain
[15:25] <Hodapp> Joeboy: I did that on an MK802 and basically melted an SD card after 3-4 days.
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[15:25] <Joeboy> Hah
[15:25] <hellsing> i'm working with 100ghz signal, 3 days is the simulation time :p
[15:25] <Hodapp> Joeboy: seems like crosstools-ng is a bit more robust
[15:25] <Joeboy> Hodapp: Everyone seems to have different recommendations though
[15:26] <cityLights> thanks for all the help, may I please see how to activate the input pullup , or pull down?
[15:26] <cityLights> can anyone share a simple de-bouncing code?
[15:26] <Joeboy> Hodapp: will crosstools-ng build newlib libs and run on bare metal?
[15:26] <Hodapp> hmm, run on bare metal? what do you mean?
[15:27] <Joeboy> I mean, produce a compiler / libs that will produce binaries that run on bare metal
[15:27] <Joeboy> Hodapp: Not linux
[15:27] <Hodapp> as far as I know, it will do this.
[15:27] <Hodapp> I built a toolchain for TI Stellaris this way.
[15:27] <Joeboy> I think I'll see how summon gets on, then maybe try that one next
[15:27] <Hodapp> let us know how it goes!
[15:28] <Joeboy> Will do
[15:28] <Joeboy> Will probably also ask dumb questions
[15:29] <Joeboy> Hodapp: Did you have to do any kind of patching stuff to get things to work?
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[15:30] <Hodapp> I don't think I had to.
[15:31] <Joeboy> Ok
[15:32] <Joeboy> I think my needs might be a bit niche
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[15:53] <Jck_true> First case I've bought - What a waste :| I could build a case from chewing gum and have it look better :|
[15:53] <ParkerR> Jck_true, What case?
[15:54] <Jck_true> Multicomp :|
[15:54] <Jck_true> From the danish RaspPi reseller
[15:54] <ParkerR> This? http://www.amazon.com/Multicomp-Clear-Raspberry-Pi-Enclosure/dp/B009NKNDVG
[15:55] <Jck_true> ParkerR: Looks like it - Just got mine in black - http://raspberrypi.dk/produkt/multicomp-case-til-raspberry-pi-model-b/
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[15:56] <Jck_true> Atleast I won't feel as bad when I tape it to the back of the tv :)
[15:59] <anew> anyone setup an rpi with no monitor ?
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[16:00] <ParkerR> anew, I have one setup to use without a monitor. You most likely need one to do the actual setup
[16:00] <Jck_true> anew: Boot -> SHH - No problem
[16:00] <ParkerR> Jck_true, But dont you have to enable SSH on first boot?
[16:00] <ParkerR> In raspi-config
[16:00] <Jck_true> anew: SSH is enabled by default on the recent distros - Just run sudo raspi-config
[16:01] <Jck_true> To setup memory split etc (On a headless server set it to 16mb)
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[16:02] <Jck_true> IT_Sean: Yeah - I regret not getting that now :(
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[16:03] <Jck_true> IT_Sean: But I still have some velcro - Just hope it's strong enough
[16:07] <anew> jck_true yeah i'm wondering if i can do the setup with no monitor
[16:07] <anew> i dont have a monitor or a tv :S
[16:07] <anew> am i screwed or what
[16:07] <metaman> anew, what setup??
[16:08] <anew> metman installing the OS
[16:08] <Jck_true> anew: No you're not - Just plug it into your router and SSH in
[16:08] <Jck_true> SSH is enabled by default on the newer versions (Since august 2012)
[16:08] <anew> i can ssh with no OS ?
[16:08] <anew> oh
[16:08] <anew> shit
[16:08] <anew> ok let me try that
[16:09] <metaman> anew, you do have an installed an os on your sd card
[16:09] <IT_Sean> you need to write the OS image to the SD card
[16:09] <anew> yes i havd the os on the sd
[16:09] <metaman> i think he already sshd
[16:09] <anew> but i still need to see what i'm doing dont i ?
[16:10] <IT_Sean> you should be able to SSH in if you know the IP of the Pi
[16:10] <metaman> via ssh, dont you?
[16:10] <Jck_true> anew: That's what you do over SSH :|
[16:10] <anew> ok yeah right
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[16:10] <anew> ok let me give it a shot
[16:10] <rbeef> hello
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[16:10] <rbeef> I just received my first RPi!
[16:10] <Ryanteck> Congrats!
[16:10] <rbeef> thanks!
[16:10] <IT_Sean> congrats dude
[16:10] * rbeef is really enthusiastic about it
[16:10] <metaman> anew, do you type it into the pi via usb, or what?
[16:11] <SixtyFold> i still need to get my SD card and a case for mine
[16:11] <rbeef> so I plugged it in using the analog video and nothing happens
[16:11] <anew> no i'm going to plug in my router and ssh in
[16:11] <Jck_true> SixtyFold: Cases are overrated - Where did you but it?
[16:11] <anew> is that what u mean metaman ?
[16:11] <SixtyFold> i need to do that today so i can have them by wednesday
[16:11] <IT_Sean> rbeef: No video at all?
[16:11] <rbeef> I don't have a card with an OS, just plugged the card from my photo-camera
[16:11] <SixtyFold> Jck_true - amazon basically at cost
[16:11] <IT_Sean> you need the OS first, rbeef
[16:11] <Jck_true> SixtyFold: Just cut in the box with a scissor
[16:11] <IT_Sean> with no OS, you won't get video
[16:12] <metaman> anew, sorry? you use another computer or handheld or something to ssh into the pi
[16:12] <SixtyFold> would have cost 43 usd from newark, cost me 45 from amazon
[16:12] <rbeef> so it's normal that nothing will happen?
[16:12] <IT_Sean> yes
[16:12] <rbeef> without an OS
[16:12] <IT_Sean> it is
[16:12] <rbeef> oh, good
[16:12] <IT_Sean> No OS = no video
[16:12] <anew> metaman going to ssh into it with my laptop
[16:12] <SixtyFold> Jck_true - use the element 14 box you mean for a case?
[16:12] <SixtyFold> hehe
[16:12] <rbeef> I'm off to the mall soon to get a card and some HDMI-DVI adapters
[16:12] <Jck_true> Indeed :)
[16:12] <metaman> anew, ok, fine, and you did sudo raspi-config?, what ssh client are you using?
[16:13] <anew> putty
[16:13] <SixtyFold> Jck_true - i thought about that seriously
[16:13] <SixtyFold> Jck_true it is the right size
[16:13] <anew> no i havent done any commands yet
[16:13] <metaman> and when you run raspi-config, you should see some menu, do you?
[16:13] <anew> i will get it going now
[16:13] <anew> and let you know
[16:13] <SixtyFold> i could just make a case out of used cd cases too
[16:13] <anew> will get it started, brb in 10 min
[16:13] <SixtyFold> just melt the plastics together haha
[16:14] <Jck_true> I just cut a small hole for microusb and for the lan cable - Then taped up everything and stuck it next to the router as a server
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[16:14] <SixtyFold> Jck_true - nice, i might do that too
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[16:15] <SixtyFold> Jck_true - what are you using for power then?
[16:15] <SixtyFold> or is your router near a computer?
[16:15] <Jck_true> SixtyFold: I use the USB port on my router
[16:16] <SixtyFold> Jck_true - that's what i was wondering
[16:16] <SixtyFold> :)
[16:16] <Ryanteck> You can use many things to power a Pi
[16:16] <Jck_true> Used a USB wall adapter first
[16:16] <Ryanteck> USB Wall, USB on pc, Usb on router
[16:16] <SixtyFold> would a Nexus 7 wall adapter work without frying it?
[16:16] <IT_Sean> Just so long as it delivers enough power.
[16:16] <Ryanteck> Yeh I have used mine
[16:16] <Ryanteck> its on the top end of recommended power
[16:16] <Jck_true> But it ran stable enough on the router even if the power is a bit low
[16:16] <IT_Sean> SixtyFold: should do, so long as it's USB
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[16:16] <SixtyFold> what about iPad?
[16:16] <IT_Sean> should be 5v
[16:17] <Ryanteck> Never used iPad
[16:17] <IT_Sean> iPad adapter works
[16:17] <IT_Sean> I can confirm
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[16:17] <Ryanteck> Nexus 7 is 5V 1.2A
[16:17] <SixtyFold> i have both a nexus 7 and iPad but i dont use the iPad one
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[16:17] <SixtyFold> i might try the nexus 7 one
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[16:19] <IT_Sean> Ryanteck: 5v and 1.2A is fine for thw Pi.
[16:19] <SixtyFold> has anyone used a bluetooth dongle on their rPi?
[16:19] <Ryanteck> I know ;)
[16:19] <SixtyFold> i would love to have bluetooth on rPi
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[16:19] <Jck_true> SixtyFold: http://furyfi.re/raspberrypi/accessories.pdf
[16:20] <Ryanteck> Most things that run a computer should work via USB
[16:20] <SixtyFold> i have a logitech k810, so it'd be perfect
[16:20] <Jck_true> SixtyFold: A bluetooth usb adapter is 2 USD in china
[16:20] <Twist-> SixtyFold: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[16:20] <Ryanteck> but drivers or a powered usb hub may be needed for high power ones.
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[16:20] <Viper7> US$1.80 delivered, worldwide.
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[16:20] <Viper7> for a bluetooth dongle
[16:20] <Viper7> dx.com :P
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[16:20] <SixtyFold> Ryanteck - the nexus 7 wall adapter would be enough to handle that though wouldnt it?
[16:20] <Viper7> nb: might take a month or two to arrive tho :P
[16:21] <Ryanteck> Should be
[16:21] <Viper7> SixtyFold: anything that claims 1A should be
[16:21] <Viper7> in theory :P
[16:21] <SixtyFold> hehe
[16:21] <Viper7> and yes, it`d claim at least that
[16:21] <Ryanteck> Modl B takes around 500-700 mA
[16:21] <Viper7> to itself, add usb on top
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[16:21] <Jck_true> In practice the Model B shouldn't even run on a computer usb port
[16:21] <Viper7> 980mA peak in theory in versions with fuses
[16:21] <Jck_true> But specs etc
[16:21] <zleap> hello
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[16:21] <Viper7> could be over 1A in practice with modern boards
[16:22] <SixtyFold> if i had bluetooth dongle then i would never need anything else but a usb stick occasionally plugged into it
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[16:22] <Viper7> but in practice, most people dont load up every device on the pi at once, and the usb ports
[16:22] <Viper7> which 1A is enough for
[16:22] <Jck_true> SixtyFold: Why the USB stick? Wired LAN all the way
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[16:22] <cityLights> by the way , I studied electronics for five years then work at it for 5 years
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[16:22] <Viper7> mine runs at like 300 to 400mA, since i dont use hdmi or the gpu
[16:22] <SixtyFold> usb stick for data
[16:22] <SixtyFold> no wireless
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[16:22] <SixtyFold> im using the LAN
[16:22] <IT_Sean> I think he means a flash drive
[16:22] <SixtyFold> connected from a switch
[16:22] <cityLights> and I commanly put a capacitor on switchs
[16:23] <cityLights> its common practice
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[16:23] <SixtyFold> yah, just meant flash drive
[16:23] <zleap> cityLights, that makes te switch more reliable iirc,
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[16:23] <zleap> or stops bounce which is spikes when you don't get proper contact or someting isn't it
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[16:25] <Jck_true> Yeah should stop debouncing
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[16:26] <zleap> thought so
[16:26] * zleap has studies electronics too
[16:26] <zleap> afaik you only need someting like a low uf cap for that anyway
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[16:27] <Jck_true> Bit torn if debouncing should be done in hardware or software anyway
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[16:30] <IT_Sean> soffware
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[16:31] <Jck_true> IT_Sean: Feels unclean through - Running 20ms timers etc
[16:31] <IT_Sean> seems simpler to me, and easier to adjust, then doing it in hardware.
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[16:32] <Jck_true> yeah
[16:32] <Jck_true> Anyway! Work is over for today - Tomorrow peeps!
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[16:32] <gordonDrogon> you can hardware dbounce with a flip-flop, but you still need to wait some time to reset the flip-flop - the decision then is to wait in hardware - or wait in software...
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[16:37] <zleap> gordonDrogon, so which is better capacitor or flip - flop
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[16:39] <gordonDrogon> software.
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[16:39] <zleap> ok
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[16:40] <gordonDrogon> in 35 years of making/using electronics I've never seen anyone use a capacitor on a switch input - with one exception. power on reset circuits.
[16:42] <zleap> we did learn about it at school
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[16:46] <SwK> IT_Sean: dont forget the decoupling capacitors on the data lines controlling the switches
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[16:50] <gordonDrogon> groovy.
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[16:52] <zleap> gordonDrogon, if I want a share on social media link on my website , do i need to remove the current google+ one and install another that does more than just google+ i am guessing having 2 they clash with each other
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[16:54] <gordonDrogon> zleap, I've absolutely no idea.
[16:55] <nid0> if you're talking about wordpress plugins or similar they may conflict, if you're just putting links into your pages manually then no, they wouldnt
[16:55] <zleap> ok
[16:56] <zleap> nid0, i have a plug in for google+
[16:56] <zleap> but want to also share on others, and allow people to share stuff on others, so i guess in that case i need to remove the google+ one and then install another that allows multiple social network buttons
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[17:18] <Torikun> oi
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[17:30] <metaman> poll: who is in this channel via a raspberry pi, and if with what os and client? thank you for your answers
[17:30] <metaman> raspbian wheezy pidgin
[17:31] <Nik05> raspbian irssi
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[17:31] <Torikun> metaman: I am using znc
[17:31] <Nik05> ssh -> screen -> irssi !!! :D
[17:31] <Torikun> znc lets met have all my computers/devices connect to the pi for irc
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[17:33] <gordonDrogon> I'm using Linux - which runs on a pi, but not using a pi itself...
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[17:35] <metaman> gordonDrogon, why not
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[17:37] <gordonDrogon> well - right now i'm using my laptop in a clients office, it's vpn'd to my office network
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> where I'm ssh'd to my normal workstation and I've run xchat from there.
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> If I used a Pi as a 'desktop' PC then I'd run xchat on it.
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> I run Linux everywhere, so don't really feel the need to use a Pi for anything I'm not doing on my desktop...
[17:41] <IT_Sean> i'm using XChat, but not on a Pi.
[17:41] <IT_Sean> I'd probably recommend irssi on the Pi.
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[17:42] <TomWij> Or weechat, if you want support.
[17:43] <TomWij> Though I dunno if that runs on the Pi. :D
[17:43] <metaman> gordonDrogon, for me the pi is the 'TV' PC in the living room, i am using it here because it is silent.
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[17:43] <TomWij> Appears it does... https://plus.google.com/102544516035551247301/posts/MLBMcM8Dq5t
[17:45] <Twist-> metaman: I'd be using weechat if I were ircing from a Pi.. but I don't use a Pi as a primary workstation.
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[17:45] <Twist-> metaman: And I like to leave my irc client running in tmux on a remote server.
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> I have a TV as my TV in the livingroom. it's silent too.
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[17:46] <gordonDrogon> until I turn the volume up.
[17:47] <Torikun> Any way to get LVM for root?
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[17:47] <Twist-> The Pi is not very satisfying as a desktop.
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[17:47] <Torikun> I agree Twist-
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[17:48] <metaman> gordonDrogon, my TV doesn't behave like a TV, it is more like a big screen 3 meters away
[17:48] <mundofr> hey there, i'm very interested in starting a new project based off rpi's
[17:48] <mundofr> the thing is, i'm currently studying away and buying all the requirements for my rpi is not an option atm (small monitor, keyboard, etc..)
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[17:49] <mundofr> and it occurred to me that maybe I could use my own laptop as a HMI for my rpi
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[17:49] <mundofr> i've already checked an the VNC route is very possible and doable
[17:49] <mundofr> and that's what i'm thinking
[17:49] <Twist-> Kind of.. you'll need a monitor and keyboard to do the initial setup.
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[17:50] <mundofr> however, i havent been able to find any reference for the setup WITHOUT using direct hardware
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> You can ssh into raspbian from when it's first booted - no scren & keyboard needed - just LAN
[17:50] <mundofr> that's exactly what i was about to ask :P
[17:50] <mundofr> is there some default way to connect to the rpi?
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> So connect Pi to LAN, put in raspbian SD card image, boot Pi - then you need to work out it's IP address and SSH in - user pi pass raspberry
[17:50] <Twist-> gordonDrogon: really? I thought I had to explicitly enable remote ssh in the setup util the first time through
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> Twist-, originally yes, but that's not been the case for quite some time now.
[17:51] <mundofr> the other thing I thought was to modify the os in the sd from my laptop
[17:51] <mundofr> i dunno, insert some custom cronjob somewhere that automatically boots it up with ssh enabled or something
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> only if your laptop runs Linux.
[17:52] <mundofr> couldn't it work with os x?
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> if os x can read ext4 then yes.
[17:52] <mundofr> i've never had any trouble managing remote servers via ssh
[17:52] <mundofr> i think i might be able
[17:52] <mundofr> my local freenas runs on ext iirc
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> howeve you don't need to - just boot raspbian and find the IP address and ssh into it.
[17:53] <mundofr> and i think i've been able to connect the hdd directly to my laptop
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[17:53] <mundofr> what's the default password for root?
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> none, you login as pi password raspberry and use sudo
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> you cn set a root password after that if you like.
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[17:54] <mundofr> excellent!
[17:54] <mundofr> another thing, do you have any recommended vnc server for the pi?
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[17:56] <gordonDrogon> vncserver.
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> ii tightvncserver 1.3.9-6.4 armhf virtual network computing server software
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> that one.
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> you'll want to ssh in first and run raspi-config though.
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> then do the usual update/upgrades.
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[18:00] <mundofr> thanks, i'm taking note haha
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[18:01] <mundofr> while we are on it, any recommendation for developing for the pi?
[18:02] <mundofr> any special framework I should be aware of?
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[18:02] <mundofr> I was mostly thinking about python, but I have yet to check how it runs on the pi
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> vi and makefiles work very well .
[18:02] <metaman> lazarus^^
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> and C is a good language to program in, as is BASIC.
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[18:04] <gordonDrogon> te beauty of Linux is that you have a choice of progrmaming whatever way you want to.
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[18:05] <mundofr> :D
[18:05] <mundofr> fair enough, many thanks for the help!
[18:05] <metaman> gordonDrogon, doesnt actually any os with an assembler compiler eable you to code whatever
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[18:05] <metaman> enable
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> no. Any OS with a C compiler enables me to code whatever.
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[18:06] <gordonDrogon> and a choice of text editors.
[18:07] <metaman> i didnt mean you, but anyone (and i think you know that) pls answer the question
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[18:08] <gordonDrogon> no-one in their right mind is going to code anything more than a few lines in assembler these days.
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> if you want that argument, go join DavidS on the forums )-:
[18:08] <Twist-> mundofr: did you have a particular project in mind for the Pi?
[18:09] <Twist-> mundofr: that may suggest certain development tools.
[18:09] <mundofr> eventually it'll be a POS-kind-of terminal
[18:09] <mundofr> point of sale
[18:10] <mundofr> but for now it's just for messing around with it, to get to know what can really be done with it
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[18:10] <metaman> i think so too, but actually you could port some c compiler when you can assemble, the thing is that not linux is not the only os to enable you coding anything, but it is the one which makes it most easy, as you will get whole lots of support by kind people like you, thank you
[18:10] <mundofr> we've written the backend using python-rpc
[18:10] <mundofr> sending short json packets back and forth
[18:12] <mundofr> that's why I asked about python, to try and simplify the system, but anything's good actually
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> pythons supported as well as it's supported on all Linux platforms.
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> ie. quite well.
[18:12] <Twist-> mundofr: I was more wondering if you had designs on using the gpio pins to interface with custom electronics
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[18:13] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian is just Debian for the Pi - so you can check all the Debian data/forums, etc. for details on the packages.
[18:13] <Twist-> mundofr: If not, your concerns are the same as with any other linux system.
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[18:13] <Twist-> mundofr: side note.. X11 performance is pretty bad at present.
[18:14] <mundofr> atm we don't have plans for the gpio pins, but maybe eventually we'll develop some kind of locking mechanism or so
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> I looked at some free epos software a couple of years ago too - way before the Pi. Biggest issue is the physical form of it all.
[18:14] <mundofr> how are the python libraries for interfacing with the gpio pins at the moment?
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> they work.
[18:15] <mjr> apropos X11 performance not, I was quite positively surprised with chromium (browser) performance in X11, mostly due to having low expectations. It wasn't completely horrible after all ;)
[18:15] <mjr> s/not/note/
[18:15] <mundofr> and what about touchscreen support?
[18:15] <mundofr> will the X11 perfomance make a crappy user experience?
[18:15] <Twist-> Midori was a pile of.. something.
[18:16] <mundofr> I mean, i'm gonna test this all eventually, but a heads up is always nice :D
[18:16] <Twist-> mundofr: If you don't need fluid animation, you won't see any huge problems.
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[18:16] <scummos> hey, the pi can do 1920x1200 shaders @60fps
[18:16] <Twist-> Who knows.. a few months down the road there may be an accelerated X11 driver
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[18:16] <Twist-> scummos: sure. OpenGL and mpeg performance are fine.
[18:16] <scummos> oh, what isn't?
[18:17] <Twist-> it's just x11 2d that's crap
[18:17] <scummos> ah, okay.
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> something like an epos system with mostly static displays will work just fine. I've done stuff using SDL on the Pi and it runs OK - no hardware acelleration, but it's fine.
[18:17] <Twist-> dragging windows around on the desktop
[18:17] <Twist-> scrolling
[18:17] <scummos> sorry, I jumped into the discussion from somewhere ;)
[18:17] <mundofr> gordonDrogon: yup, that's pretty much it :D
[18:17] <Twist-> the GPU is pretty strong, from what I've seen
[18:17] <Twist-> it's just missing a decent x11 driver
[18:18] <mundofr> i'm certain that our bottleneck will be the physical design of the terminals
[18:18] <mundofr> but the pi certainly opens up many design possibilities
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> that's what we faced - althoug there are lots of PC platforms - miniITX boards and things like till drawers with a 5v solenoid input out there - none too cheap though.
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> if you can make a nice box for it all, you're more than half way there.
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[18:20] <Twist-> Have sheet metal brake, will travel
[18:20] <Twist-> though not quickly. those things are fucking heavy.
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> family friendly channel Twist- ....
[18:21] <Twist-> okay
[18:21] <mundofr> i've also read about the power limitations of the usb ports in the pi
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[18:21] <gordonDrogon> it's all true.
[18:21] <mundofr> eventually, i'd like to plug in some 3g modem or so
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> so use a powered hub.
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> however the Rev 2 boards are better in that respect.
[18:22] <Twist-> And then watch the hub fry your pi. or not.
[18:22] <mundofr> are there / will there be cellphone-based (as in, low power) 3g adapters?
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> unlkkely. at least it's not happened to me and I've not heard of it happening to anyone else...
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[18:23] <Twist-> mundofr: this may be of interest http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> mundofr, plenty of usb 3g modems ..
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[18:26] <mundofr> sweeet!
[18:26] <mundofr> i think i'll officially say bye to my arduinos
[18:27] <unkle_george> Could I get some peer review of a tutorial I put together on building a kernel module to read a temperature sensor
[18:27] <unkle_george> http://www.bitflippersanonymous.com/raspberry-pi-projects/i2c-temperature
[18:27] <Twist-> mundofr: The Pi and the Arduino don't really fill the same niche
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[18:28] <mundofr> haha yes I know
[18:28] <mundofr> still, I think most of my free time will now be dedicated to the pi
[18:28] <Twist-> They work nicely together in fact
[18:28] <unkle_george> I could use some feedback on the content, esp. the latter part of how to use the module
[18:28] <mundofr> have you tried the new 32bit arduino?
[18:28] <Twist-> Heh.. the Pi is the same price or cheaper than the arduino ethernet shield.
[18:28] <Twist-> so it makes a nice front end
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> mundofr, arduinos have their place.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> mundofr, the Pi is not as good as an arduino for 'hard' real time control.
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[18:32] <mundofr> now, changing the subject completely, i've also been reading about the rpi xbmc port
[18:32] <mundofr> how's that currently doing?
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[18:32] <mundofr> my house still has our old xbox1 consoles plugged in
[18:33] <mundofr> we've been waiting for the right predecessor, and we believe the rpi might be it ;)
[18:33] <Torikun> na
[18:33] <Torikun> it wont be
[18:33] <Torikun> ;lool
[18:34] * IT_Sean is running OpenELEC on his raspi, for xbmc
[18:34] <Torikun> hows it working IT_Sean?
[18:34] <Torikun> OpenELEC was more stable than raspbianXBMC
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> mundofr, why not go right now and order a Pi?
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> save all this asking on forums/irc, etc. :)
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> just do it...
[18:36] <mundofr> that's what i'm doing atm :D
[18:36] <mundofr> but it's gonna be a loooong week
[18:36] <mundofr> haha
[18:37] <mundofr> thanks again for the help btw
[18:37] <mundofr> you guys were the deciding factor ;)
[18:37] <Twist-> mundofr: Also, have several SD or SDHC cards.
[18:37] <Twist-> mundofr: it's really nice being able to rapidly flip back and forth between projects.
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[18:38] <mundofr> reminds me of my old gameboy :P
[18:38] <Twist-> I'm having okay luck with micro SDHC cards and an adapter.. if space is a huge concern. :D
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[18:41] <mundofr> how big is raspbian?
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[18:42] <gordonDrogon> 2GB
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> but get a 4GB card.
[18:42] <Twist-> get 4GB cards
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[18:42] <mundofr> definitely better 2 4gb than 1 8gb right?
[18:43] <mundofr> i won't be doing media or anything (i think)
[18:43] <Twist-> Yes. But seriously, they're down to like a buck a gig.
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[18:48] <IT_Sean> Torikun: sorry, was afk. It works brilliantly.
[18:48] <Torikun> nice
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[19:02] <Ben-> Hi folk! Havent used my rpi for some months now. What's the best debian based image atm? The official wheezy from raspberrypi.org?
[19:03] <metaman> best for what?
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[19:05] <Ben-> best performance I guess? only purpose is downloading torrents actually
[19:05] <hellsing> take the last debian based on the website
[19:06] <hellsing> if you want a more media oriented take the xbmc distro
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[19:07] <Ben-> can I still run torrents on this?
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[19:07] <mundofr> woot! my rpi is on my way! ;)
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[19:08] <Ben-> ah right, there are 3 different xbmc distros
[19:08] <Ben-> I remember that OpenELEC was the fastest of them
[19:08] <Ben-> is that still the case?
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[19:09] <hellsing> yes
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[19:09] <metaman> Ben-, right now RaspBMC is best
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[19:09] <metaman> it runs way faster than openelec
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[19:12] <Ben-> okidoki
[19:12] <sraue> so?
[19:12] <chod> whats the darkelec
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[19:13] <sraue> darkelec is openelec with a few stuff included by default (afaik some addons)
[19:13] <chod> xbmc felt like it overloaded with pi
[19:14] <chod> that was on a 256mb pi
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[19:14] <Ben-> could I install RaspBMC, turn off autostart and run rtorrent? So XBMC is on demand then
[19:14] <Ben-> and rtorrent on autostarts
[19:14] <chod> have a few sd's and use what u like
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[19:15] <chod> any one tested faster sd's o a pi ?
[19:15] <chod> on a.
[19:16] <hellsing> faster than what?
[19:16] <chod> class 4
[19:16] <Flexnard> lol yes I use a class 10 because I already had it laying around
[19:16] <hellsing> i have a class 6, it's working fin
[19:16] <hellsing> fine*
[19:16] <chod> need to benchmark some
[19:17] <chod> can the pi actually make advantage of them
[19:17] <tdy_> of class10 speed?
[19:17] <chod> aye
[19:17] <tdy_> my class10 card is noticeably faster
[19:17] <tdy_> i use class4 and class10 cards
[19:18] <chod> that may help pi xbmc
[19:18] <chod> and sluggish x11
[19:18] <chod> riscos is fast on a pi
[19:18] <mjr> pi'll max out at was it 20 or 25 MB/s though so past a certain point there's no point
[19:19] * chod nods
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[19:20] <hellsing> everything is limited to 20 mb/s on the pi
[19:20] <metaman> Ben-, i think this should work
[19:20] * ShadowJK would imagine random write speed, and number of open allocation units of a sd card matters far more than class rating or sequential write/read speeds
[19:20] <hellsing> that's the magic value :p
[19:20] <metaman> +----------------------------
[19:21] <hellsing> ShadowJK, be happy, sd card are a bit more reliable than usb stick....
[19:22] <rikkib> I am using nfs on one of the camera's I have on the web... OS and other are loaded into ram from a 2gb class 4 sd card. So for certain configs sd card read/write speed is by the by.
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[19:23] <ShadowJK> hellsing; heh, been running rootfs on various forms of sd and usbflash since 2005 now, I've had two SD cards fail, and one usb stick..
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[19:23] <hellsing> i crashed 5 usb stick this year -_-'
[19:23] <ShadowJK> and several cards that just start timing out suddenly
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[19:24] <ShadowJK> and one usb stick that does that
[19:24] <mjr> I used a sandisk stick for root at one point, but the stick crashed (!) every now and then, about maybe once a week on average. Yes, the stick. Not the computer running off it.
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[19:25] <mjr> After that I used a kingston for a while with no problems.
[19:26] <mjr> The sandisk would just cease giving out data and start flashing its access light in an apparent error signal
[19:27] <mjr> I still use the stick, seems to work for non-prolonged constant use
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[19:28] <steve_rox> my pi crashed when i dropped a laptop on it , the screen display screamed obout IO error :-p
[19:29] <steve_rox> turns out it broke the sd reader again
[19:29] <steve_rox> during a update of pi too
[19:29] <steve_rox> makes it more fun
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[19:30] <steve_rox> dispite its ablilty to still boot i restored from backup , there was probly file damage i was not seeing
[19:30] <demure> I want to make a rock, paper, scissors joke about that >_>
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[19:30] <steve_rox> i see
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[19:31] <subv> hey #raspberrypi
[19:32] <hellsing> hey subv
[19:33] <ShiftPlusOne> hello, kind sir
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[19:33] <subv> anyone having audio video sync with xbian... any pointers?
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[19:35] <steve_rox> i did have a issue with utube playback on xbmc probly not related tho
[19:35] <steve_rox> the vid playback would stop about 3 seconds early but sound continued
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[19:41] <subv> what is the best xbmc distro for rpi?
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[19:42] <Caleb> subv: try a few and decide for youself
[19:42] <|Jeroen|> openelec
[19:43] <angelos> depends on what you want to do
[19:43] <angelos> if xbmc is all you want, I'd also say openelec
[19:43] <subv> play HD content no sync issues
[19:43] <angelos> if you want more, raspbmc or xbian - while I'd say you have the most control with xbian
[19:43] <subv> im running xbian
[19:43] <angelos> well, video playback is the same on all three
[19:43] <angelos> I never had sync issues on xbian
[19:44] <subv> maybe its this file
[19:44] <hellsing> <metaman> Ben-, right now RaspBMC is best-> previous answer
[19:44] <ShiftPlusOne> I also vote openelec, but it's a personal preference
[19:45] <Ben-> so one says raspbmc, one says xbian, another one says openelex
[19:45] <Ben-> -x+c
[19:45] <Ben-> :f
[19:45] <subv> im going to try
[19:45] <angelos> buy three sd cards :P
[19:46] <|Jeroen|> yeah and make a speed test and let us know the benschmarks
[19:46] <subv> ha. wonder if there will ever be multiboot loaders
[19:46] <|Jeroen|> setup-time, boot-time, time to navigate x levels deep
[19:47] <|Jeroen|> i think there already are
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[19:47] <|Jeroen|> berryboot
[19:47] <|Jeroen|> dunno how it works
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[19:48] <|Jeroen|> mhzz looks like a full linux that just modifies the cmdline
[19:48] <ShiftPlusOne> quite simple, it provides a little environment that you can pivot/switch_root from
[19:49] <|Jeroen|> but how does it return to the bootload afterwards
[19:49] <ShiftPlusOne> does it?
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[19:49] <|Jeroen|> it can change it to a distro, but when you reboot you won't return into the bootloader
[19:50] <|Jeroen|> if it doesn't its not a bootloader
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[19:50] <|Jeroen|> then its stupid
[19:50] <ShiftPlusOne> it is definitely not a bootloader
[19:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure what you mean, I haven't used it myself, I have only looked at the source a little and it's very similar to how my multiboot thing worked ages ago.
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[19:51] <zleap> wb gongoputch
[19:51] <zleap> wb gordonDrogon
[19:51] <subv> ooo found berryboot...
[19:51] <subv> looks cool downloads the distros for you..
[19:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, it's very polished from what I've seen.
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[19:52] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I'm back.
[19:52] <subv> damn just sucks to rebuild my damn library everytime.. going to see if i move the db..before i make the change
[19:52] <|Jeroen|> put it on a mysql server subv
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[19:54] <subv> hmm.. maybe i should dabble with db's never really bothered with them
[19:54] <subv> |Jeroen|: wouldn't even know how to start messing with that..
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[19:54] <|Jeroen|> its pretty easy, just a few lines in advancedconfig.Xml
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[19:55] <subv> ill google it
[19:58] <subv> http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Advancedsettings.xml looks simple
[19:59] <|Jeroen|> http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Sync_multiple_libraries/Setting_up_XBMC
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[20:14] <subv> ok so im following the steps.. how will i know if the connect to mysql is being established... is there any way to check if connections are being made?
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[20:17] <|Jeroen|> subv, it will create the database
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[20:21] <rikkib> mysql db's live in /var/lib/mysql/dbname
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[20:37] <subv> Ok i followed the instructions.. and forgive the fact that i only have one available machine to install mysql... which is windows.. .but the installation was fine i created the xbmc account with xbmc as a password... edited the advancedsettings.xml... exported the library to multiple files and i still see no db with a todays modified date
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[20:42] <|Jeroen|> subv, try entering the root user and password in the config
[20:42] <|Jeroen|> the user has to have rights to create a db
[20:43] <|Jeroen|> and make sure mysql listens on all ip's
[20:43] <subv> ok
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[20:46] <subv> sigh...
[20:46] <bede> hi
[20:46] <subv> i can't tell if it is making the connection or not.
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[20:47] <|Jeroen|> let it scan, and it will imediaty create the db
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[20:49] <subv> i did the export like instructed.. i deleted my old database and rescanned and i don't know from where but it sees my library.. but i think its from the export of seperate files
[20:49] <subv> anyways need to go get my on from school brb
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[20:55] <bede> under network load one of my ??s seems to reset the NIC and USB bus, effectifely losing it's IP address
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[20:56] <bede> using smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N seems to introduce other problems, one is eth0 appearing late, so no ip either
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[20:59] <bede> awesome and sysctl oopses
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[21:10] <Baddy> good evening, will also speak German or it is permitted?
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[21:12] <|Jeroen|> keep it english
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[21:17] <Baddy> hm, sorry, then I have to write everything on google translate, partly because a lot of garbage comes with rum :) well maybe else can I find a German-speaking irc chan W??hre here actually been ideal, since I'm gonna be on the server on the way :)
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[21:30] <gordonDrogon> if more english speaking people use the Pi then maybe you have a greater chance of sorting things by sticking to english...
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[21:32] <Baddy> clear, I think to myself also somehow, but wants to work with the English wenns nich really;)
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[21:34] <anew> hey i'm a total noob... how do i ssh into my rpi ?
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[21:35] <bertrik> ssh -l root <ip address>
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> not -l root, no. root login isn't enabled by default.
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> so: ssh pi@ip.address
[21:35] <anew> what is 'pi' ?
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> the username
[21:36] <bertrik> oh sorry
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> you can use ssh -l pi ip.address if you like.
[21:36] <anew> hmmm how do i know what the ip of my rasp is ?
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> might be worth asking which OS, anew.... windows?
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[21:36] <anew> i dunno i just plugged in my rpi ... i have the OS on my sd card
[21:36] <anew> i dont have a monitor to plug it into
[21:36] <des2> usually your router will tell you
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> you need to look at your router/dhcp logs if you don't have a screen on it.
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> your pc's OS... the one you're sshing from.
[21:36] <anew> so i was hoping i could connect it into my router and ssh into it to get started
[21:37] <anew> i'm on windows with putty
[21:37] <ShiftPlusOne> well.. that's all there is to it. enter the ip and click connect.
[21:37] <bertrik> might try a ping first to see if you can reach it
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[21:37] <anew> i have 8 ip's here no idea how i have so damn many, ok i'll just go down the list one by one
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[21:38] <tdy_> it should have a pi-ish hostname
[21:38] <tdy_> e.g. arch images default to "alarm" as the hostname
[21:38] <anew> hostnames are all blank
[21:38] <tdy_> not familiar with the others
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[21:39] <anew> will do one by one and report back ;)
[21:39] <tdy_> oops alarmpi*
[21:39] <tdy_> anyway moot point for you
[21:39] <Martin-I-DE-NRW> Hi, I wantet do do some things with the gpio of the pi. I connected some LEDs to the gpio and they are glowing right after connecting to the gpio
[21:40] <Martin-I-DE-NRW> I thought they only should glow when I set the gpio pin to be true (in python)
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[21:41] <Martin-I-DE-NRW> any ideas why they are glowing?
[21:41] <VetteWork> check the voltage?
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[21:42] <VetteWork> and are they set as I or O?
[21:42] <tdy_> you can't guarantee what the previously written values are, so i would only worry about it unless you just can't turn them off period
[21:42] <Martin-I-DE-NRW> set as I or O? Where should I check that?
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[21:43] <tdy_> s/unless/if/
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[21:45] <VetteWork> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/the-gpio-utility/ I am using that
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[21:47] <Amnesia> is there anyone over here who actually gets what the RPI bootloader do?
[21:47] <IT_Sean> not sure i follow you?
[21:47] <Amnesia> cause I can't get my distro to boot up
[21:48] <IT_Sean> okay... are you sure you copied it to the SD card correctly?
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[21:48] <Amnesia> well all the firmware files are in /boot, which resides on a fat 32 partition
[21:48] <Amnesia> It's definitely pebcak btw:)
[21:48] <IT_Sean> you folloowed the instructions to dd it to the SD carD?
[21:48] <IT_Sean> *card
[21:48] <Amnesia> I'm not using a raw image
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[21:49] <IT_Sean> ... Then... how did you write the card?
[21:49] <Amnesia> I copied over the files
[21:49] <tdy_> then that will definitely not work
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[21:49] <IT_Sean> That's.... not going to work.
[21:49] <Amnesia> (rootfs + firmware files + kernel + kernel modules)
[21:49] <IT_Sean> totally not going to work
[21:50] <Amnesia> I noticed:)
[21:50] <Amnesia> what does the bootloader look for?
[21:50] <Martin-I-DE-NRW> VetteWork: and then I should switch off the pin where the LED is connected to?
[21:50] <IT_Sean> You need to write the OS image to the card, following the instructions on the website
[21:50] <Amnesia> mmcblk0p1/boot/kernel.img?
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[21:50] <zleap> Amnesia, the .img file is a image of the file system, you need to use dd to directly write the whole image to the card, if it works once booted you can make the file system the same size as the card
[21:50] <Amnesia> IT_Sean: I'm not using a raw image cause my distro doesn't supply them..
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[21:50] <djazz> anyone here using Spotify?
[21:50] <djazz> on their pi
[21:50] <djazz> or want to
[21:50] <rymate1234> you can use spotify?
[21:50] <rymate1234> ON YOUR PI?
[21:50] <djazz> i do atm
[21:50] <djazz> YESSS
[21:51] <rymate1234> HOW
[21:51] <rymate1234> TELL ME
[21:51] <rymate1234> XD
[21:51] <djazz> not despotify
[21:51] <IT_Sean> Amnesia: sorry... no idea then... I can't see how that is ever going to work.
[21:51] <linuxstb> Amnesia: Do you have the GPU firmware files there?
[21:51] <djazz> ok
[21:51] <rymate1234> ah
[21:51] <djazz> rymate1234: i use a libspotify wrapper
[21:51] <rymate1234> I tried despotify once, and never got it to work
[21:51] <Amnesia> linuxstb: yep in mmcblk0p1/boot/
[21:51] <linuxstb> Amnesia: i.e. bootcode.bin, start.elf, fixup.dat
[21:51] <Amnesia> yep
[21:51] <djazz> rymate1234: you know node.js?
[21:51] <zleap> Amadiro, and these are built for ARM
[21:51] <linuxstb> Amnesia: And kernel options in cmdline.txt
[21:51] <rymate1234> yes
[21:51] <Amnesia> linuxstb: yep
[21:51] <djazz> got it installed?
[21:52] <rymate1234> no
[21:52] <djazz> what version is in the repo?
[21:52] <djazz> 0.8.20 is the latest
[21:52] <Amnesia> linuxstb: pm ?
[21:52] <linuxstb> Amnesia: No point, I've nothing more to add really ;)
[21:52] <Amnesia> ah fsck:p
[21:52] <djazz> rymate1234: I have only tested on Arch Linux ARM
[21:53] <djazz> but it should work on Raspbian
[21:53] <rymate1234> lemme check
[21:53] <rymate1234> can I run spotify headless?
[21:53] <djazz> yeah
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[21:53] <djazz> its in the cli
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[21:53] <zleap> Amnesia, what distro are you trying to copy to the card, where are you downloading from ?
[21:53] <linuxstb> Amnesia: Maybe you could get the Raspbian image, and then modify it, rather than starting from scratch.
[21:53] <rymate1234> k
[21:53] <djazz> rymate1234: but it segfaults sometimes
[21:54] <djazz> rymate1234: it does on my 64-bit linux laptop too
[21:54] <djazz> very rare though
[21:55] <djazz> rymate1234: install instructions + example player: http://pastebin.com/dntPx5he
[21:55] <djazz> rymate1234: you need to have premium
[21:55] <rymate1234> ok
[21:55] <rymate1234> I do
[21:55] <djazz> and a spotify application key
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[21:56] * rymate1234 bookmarks
[21:57] <djazz> rymate1234: I hope the instructions work ^_^
[21:57] <djazz> rymate1234: https://developer.spotify.com/technologies/libspotify/keys/ <- get a key here
[21:58] <rymate1234> well
[21:58] <rymate1234> they appear to be
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[22:01] <anew> hmmmm i just get network time out
[22:01] <anew> when i try the ip's in my dhcp list
[22:02] <anew> i just open putty, put in the ip and hit connect
[22:02] <anew> is this correct ?
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[22:08] <rymate1234> djazz, raspbian is missing the "node-gyp" command
[22:08] <rymate1234> :(
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[22:10] <djazz> rymate1234: version? $ node -v
[22:11] <rymate1234> 0.6
[22:11] <rymate1234> ^_^
[22:11] <rymate1234> ah well
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[22:12] <chupacabra> what is this? kernel-kirkwood-devel-3.7.7
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[22:15] <djazz> rymate1234: then you must compile xD
[22:15] <djazz> takes 2 hours or so
[22:15] <djazz> or find a ppa
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[22:15] <rymate1234> nah, its fine
[22:15] <rymate1234> I don't need spotify on my Pi
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[22:29] <anew> hmm seems my rpi is not showing in my dhcp list when i plug it in ?
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[22:36] <anew> are you sure you can ssh into it with no OS on it ?
[22:36] <subv> for openelec... if i download the daily image... how do i keep up to date.. keep reflashing the latest image?
[22:36] <subv> anew: what do you currently have... rpi.... sd card... what is on the sd card?
[22:37] <IT_Sean> With no OS, you will not be able to SSH to it, nor will you see any video
[22:37] <subv> i never powered on my rpi without an sd or with blank sd
[22:37] <subv> i don't think anything happens
[22:37] <anew> ok ok
[22:37] <anew> i'm an idiot
[22:37] <IT_Sean> without an OS, you have a fancy electronic paperweight.
[22:37] <anew> i have to insert the sd first
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[22:37] <anew> lol
[22:38] <frikinz> insert it while the pi is OFF!
[22:38] <anew> oh shit
[22:38] <subv> anew: you need the sd card to have an os on it...
[22:38] <anew> *shoot
[22:38] <anew> ok thanks frikinz
[22:38] <subv> so you need to prepare yur sd card on your computer first
[22:38] <anew> was about to do it with it on
[22:38] <IT_Sean> ahem....
[22:38] <anew> yeah it should have come with an OS on it
[22:38] <IT_Sean> anew: language.
[22:38] <anew> sorry :(
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[22:38] <anew> i tried to correct it
[22:39] <anew> ok let me unplug the pi
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[22:39] <anew> insert the sd
[22:39] <anew> and watch the magic (i hope)
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[22:39] <dwatkins> I'm curious - what distro are you using, anew?
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[22:40] <frikinz> sandisk, its written on it!
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[22:40] <subv> frikinz: lol
[22:40] <IT_Sean> lol frikinz
[22:40] <subv> version 4gb
[22:40] <subv> i kid i kid :)
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[22:44] <anew> dwatkins raspbian wheezy
[22:44] <anew> is what i have
[22:44] <anew> actually can you run windows on this (not for me) but someone asked me if they could have windoes on it to do word processing etc
[22:44] <anew> but it's not powerful enough is it
[22:45] <mjr> power doesn't really enter into it (directly); windows is not pi-compatible
[22:45] <anew> ok
[22:45] <mjr> certainly you can do word processing on it though...
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[22:45] <IT_Sean> anew: no, the Pi cannot run windows.
[22:45] <mjr> libreoffice might be a bit of a stretch (didn't think to try actually), but there's lighter options like abiword
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[22:46] <rymate1234> >not using vim
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[22:47] <dwatkins> yeah, abiword is in the repos
[22:47] <Zarek_> >not using butterflies
[22:47] <anew> hmmm so i booted the pi with the sd inserted, but still nothing on my dhcp
[22:48] <dwatkins> do you have a screen connected to it, anew?
[22:48] <anew> no :( i dont have a television
[22:48] <subv> ok so anew doesn't have a tv to connect to.. he is running a preloaded sd card with some sort of debian... first boot... and he can't get an ip address.
[22:48] <subv> my guess its asking for initial setup of some sort
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[22:48] <IT_Sean> it should still get a DHCP address
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[22:49] <dwatkins> anew: I take it you can't connect it to your PC's monitor either
[22:49] <anew> i dont have a monitor :(
[22:49] <subv> anew: how are you checking for a dhcp client list... from the router?
[22:49] <anew> no monitor/no tv
[22:49] <anew> yes i'm logged into the router right now
[22:49] <dwatkins> anew: no video input on your laptop either, I take it
[22:49] <dwatkins> just considering other options
[22:50] <anew> well i have an hdmi port, but afaik that wont work
[22:50] <subv> and the ethernet cable is good... and not a cross over?
[22:50] <anew> yes ethernet works on my laptop
[22:50] <subv> anew: hdmi on laptop is normally output
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[22:50] <anew> yes it's output afaik
[22:50] <ShiftPlusOne> doesn't matter if it's a crossover.
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[22:50] <subv> no i mean the ethernet connected to your RPi... try another cable
[22:50] <Scriven> rpi can handle crossover cables properly.
[22:50] <subv> and do you see lan activity lights?
[22:51] <Scriven> Can't remember what that's called, but it hasn't been an issue for ages.
[22:51] <subv> Scriven / ShiftPlusOne : so im realizing.. which is a cool feature
[22:51] <dwatkins> auto negotiation, iirc, Scriven
[22:51] <subv> wait so you can connect a straight cable from laptop to rpi and it will communciate?
[22:51] <IT_Sean> yes
[22:51] <anew> the pi gives me red/yellow/green lights
[22:51] <dwatkins> I thought that was only possible on gigabit ports.
[22:51] <subv> beautiful
[22:52] <IT_Sean> dwatkins: nope
[22:52] <dwatkins> cool
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[22:52] <IT_Sean> 100meg ports have been doing that for ages
[22:52] <subv> :jaw drop:
[22:52] <Scriven> Automatic MDI/MDI-X
[22:52] * subv thinks about all the frankenstein cables he hacked up
[22:52] <IT_Sean> lol
[22:52] <Scriven> subv, same here. lol!
[22:53] <IT_Sean> it never occured to either of you to just see if it worked, before hacking up a cable?
[22:53] <KiltedPi> What could you do, with a straight through hooked up to Rpi?
[22:53] <Scriven> IT_Sean, I haven't done it in enough years that MDI wasn't an issue. lol
[22:53] <KiltedPi> Just transfer data?
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[22:53] <Scriven> this was 'back in the day', as it were.
[22:53] <subv> ok anew... best bet... is connect that bad boy directly to your laptop and share internet.. and see if you can guess the ip address or something lol im sure there is a way
[22:53] <anew> connect the rpi to my laptop?
[22:53] <anew> with what ?
[22:53] <subv> yea via ethernet
[22:53] <KiltedPi> Straight through cable
[22:53] <IT_Sean> KiltedPi: the same you could do with any two other computers connected. Share files from one to the other... share out an internet connection, etc...
[22:54] <KiltedPi> ethernet
[22:54] <KiltedPi> heh
[22:54] <KiltedPi> Saves me swapping my sd card out, ta!
[22:54] <KiltedPi> I've ordered a load of RJ45 connectors too
[22:54] <anew> so connect ethernet to laptop... but then wouldnt it have the same ip as my laptop ?
[22:54] <subv> share the wifi to the lan.. which will assign the rpi an ip address until you can properly configure it?
[22:54] <KiltedPi> No. DHCP
[22:55] <KiltedPi> DHCP is quite hard to get your head around as a beginner I think-
[22:55] <anew> so wifi from laptop to router
[22:55] <KiltedPi> Took me a while, and I'm a cisco engineer!
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[22:55] <anew> and ethernet cable from rpi to laptop
[22:55] <subv> he wants to use the RPi as a headless webserver
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[22:55] <anew> and figure out the ip from there ?
[22:55] <anew> well let me plug it in and see what happens
[22:56] <subv> you can either download a free dhcp server for windows... if thats your flavor.
[22:56] <anew> actually wait
[22:56] <anew> we have life
[22:56] <subv> and let it assign the ipaddress for you ... this should atleast let you assign a static address and reconnect it back to your network
[22:56] <anew> if that's my wife on her phone i'm going to kill her :)
[22:56] <KiltedPi> :D
[22:56] <KiltedPi> Bloody wives.
[22:57] <KiltedPi> Interrupting our electronics. These robotz aren't going to build themselves ya know?
[22:57] <anew> oh yeah baby
[22:57] <anew> i'm logged in
[22:57] <anew> so cool
[22:57] <anew> thanks guys
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[22:57] <subv> so what did you do.. what stopped you before?
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[22:57] <anew> i just unplugged the ethernet cable... then plugged it back in
[22:57] <anew> lol
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[22:58] <anew> so headless startup is pretty easy then
[22:58] <ShadowJK> mjr; I've had similar with sheevaplug and a usb hub. Eventually I worked out to boot from kingston in logical port #1 (physical #4), data usb stick (sandisk) in logical port #7, second hub in port #5, and bluetooth in port #3
[22:58] <ShadowJK> any other combination has random fail
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[22:58] <anew> so one question... this might be more of an #debian question tho
[22:58] <jfmherokiller1> anyone ever have problems with samba servers?
[22:59] <anew> i am on cli right now... how would i be able to login with cli then view a gui ?
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[22:59] <anew> i am testing gui apps so need to see those
[22:59] <ShadowJK> Anyone running f2fs?
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[23:00] <subv> anew: yes you can tunnel x through ssh
[23:00] <anew> ok let me google that
[23:00] <anew> thanks subv
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[23:01] <subv> http://blog.nth-design.com/2010/05/19/x11-putty-xming/
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[23:02] <anew> ah sweet
[23:02] <anew> thanks man
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[23:04] <subv> so im flashing OpenELEC r13369.img to my sd card.. do i need to keep reflashing to get the latest nightly... or is there something i can do in the distro to update to the latest changes
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[23:07] <anew> so one last question... powering off is just unplugging the thing right
[23:07] <Nik05> well then your power is off :P
[23:08] <anew> ,o
[23:08] <Nik05> but dont do it when you got something running on it
[23:08] <subv> anew... yup
[23:08] <Nik05> shut it down first
[23:08] <Nik05> anew what are you running on it?
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[23:10] <Nik05> Well doesnt really matter, use 'shutdown -h'
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[23:12] <subv> i love how i can use my tv remote to control it
[23:12] <subv> too bad lg doesn't have a back button that HDMI-CEC recognizes in xbmc
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[23:13] <anew> what the... what is the root pass for raspberry wheezy ?
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[23:13] <grantsmith> anew: just sudo su - from the pi login
[23:13] <anew> nevermind i sudo su
[23:13] <anew> yeah
[23:13] <anew> thx
[23:13] <subv> yup
[23:14] <subv> if you need to set it.. sudo su
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[23:14] <subv> and passwd
[23:14] <anew> grr but shutdown still doesnt work
[23:14] <subv> sudo shutdown now
[23:14] <subv> doesn't work?
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[23:14] <anew> should the red light turn off ?
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[23:15] <subv> not if yu halted
[23:15] <anew> sudo shutdown now
[23:15] <subv> if you shutdown -h i believe that halts the system requiring physical powering off
[23:15] <subv> wait
[23:16] <anew> oh
[23:16] <anew> i did do that
[23:16] <subv> RPi doesn't have that feature i don't think.. its either on or off
[23:16] <anew> oh rly
[23:16] <anew> so sudo shutdown now
[23:16] <anew> should shut everything down
[23:16] <anew> yeah i cant ssh in, but lights are still there
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[23:16] <chod> sudo shutdown -h now
[23:17] <anew> well i'm in limbo now... cant ssh and lights on. i'll just unplug it and plug it back in
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[23:18] <chod> will it ping?
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[23:18] <anew> to late lol
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[23:19] <subv> anew: i think the RPi is on or off with the cable... i don't think it can stay in a powered off state.
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[23:20] <subv> probably because it has no control over the psu.
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[23:20] <subv> Does openelect have any fixed accounts other then root?
[23:20] <SwK> anew: shutdown -p now does not remove the power from the Pi
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[23:22] <subv> Can the RPi suspend/sleep/wakeup? Shortcut: #Suspend/Resume The RPi has no support for wakeup/suspend/hibernate/poweroff so this cant be done. like the most ARM devices the RPi is always on but reduces the powerusage byself if parts are not needed.
[23:22] <SwK> soooo??? anyone have a copy of eagle6 and want to tell me if I've screwed up a design? files are at https://github.com/swk/switchpi
[23:22] <SwK> subv: there is no power control on the RPi
[23:22] <subv> like i said
[23:22] <pksato> subv: no. board dont have power control circuitry
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[23:46] <double-you> does the shutdown or reconnect command unmount all drives (also ntfs-3g) automatically?
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[23:51] <subv> hmmm.. i was explaining the power thing to anew.. but thanks..
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[23:51] <subv> also i think i actually set up my xbmc to use mysql.. yay
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[23:52] <KiltedPi> whats a good text editor then, for linux?
[23:52] <Spiffy> vim
[23:52] <KiltedPi> I tried "apt-cache search notepad++"
[23:52] <KiltedPi> vim?
[23:52] <KiltedPi> roger that then
[23:52] <Spiffy> Yes, vim
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[23:53] <double-you> i prefer nano
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[23:53] <KiltedPi> did a search of aptitute-
[23:53] <KiltedPi> loads of options for vim
[23:53] <KiltedPi> Whats the basic one?
[23:54] <KiltedPi> just 'vim'?
[23:54] <KiltedPi> "Vi IMprove - enhanced VI editor"?
[23:54] <subv> KiltedPi: vim.. i personally like making quick changes in nano
[23:54] <KiltedPi> nano eh?
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[23:55] <subv> KiltedPi: since im not to familiar with the key commands for vim
[23:55] <KiltedPi> I'll try nano, since two ppl suggested it
[23:55] <subv> KiltedPi: for instance.. nano /path/to/file.name
[23:55] <subv> ^ = control
[23:56] <subv> ok.. so i setup OpenELEC with mysql db for the library... however i don't see my library added to my tv shows list..
[23:56] <double-you> nano is like a normal editor, even me can handle with it
[23:56] <KiltedPi> yeah its desc is "Simple text editor" thats all I'm after
[23:56] <KiltedPi> It has fonts/font colors etc?
[23:56] <subv> its cli
[23:56] <subv> commandline.. no gui.
[23:56] <Dyskette> It has support for colours though only for markup, not actual font properties.
[23:57] <subv> but it is smart to suppor color for tags and markups
[23:57] <Dyskette> It's a plaintext editor, it produces plain text :P
[23:57] <KiltedPi> Ah, thats no good-
[23:57] <Dyskette> (Think notepad rather than Word)
[23:57] <KiltedPi> I need something akin to msWord
[23:57] <KiltedPi> Not powerful, but with colors and things
[23:57] <Dyskette> That'd be a word processor, rather than a text editor
[23:57] <KiltedPi> whats the GNU equvalent?
[23:57] <KiltedPi> Open office?
[23:57] <subv> KiltedPi: welllll.. Abi
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[23:57] <Dyskette> There's others, too. Abiword.
[23:58] <subv> Dyskette: :)
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[23:58] <Dyskette> KWord
[23:58] <Twist-> Is any of this a good idea on a Pi?
[23:58] <subv> kword is a resource hog
[23:58] <subv> Twist-: my thoughts exactly
[23:58] <Dyskette> Ted
[23:58] <Dyskette> Ted might work on a pi
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[23:59] <Twist-> It's not really intended for use as a fully featured desktop workstation
[23:59] <subv> the most i would put on there for a desktop would be something like LXDE or puppylinux :)

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