#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-03-01

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:23] <KiltedPi> ut oh
[0:23] <KiltedPi> might of corrupted my sd
[0:23] <KiltedPi> PWR no ACT
[0:23] <KiltedPi> :(
[0:23] * KiltedPi tries to rescue his .python files!
[0:23] <KiltedPi> Advice?
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[0:29] <grimjoey> try to dd the sd to an image file using linux and you should be able to recover some stuff scanning the image file with some file decovery tool suitable for ext4
[0:30] <grimjoey> recovery*
[0:31] <grimjoey> or see if you can mount the sd in linux
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[0:32] <blz> Hey everyone. I'm having a bit of trouble with my volume control. My USB speakers work out of the box, but they're stuck at maximum volume. The volume bar responds to my remote control, but the volume doesn't change
[0:32] <blz> I'm not sure where to begin looking...
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[0:33] <chithead> blz: alsamixer -c 1
[0:33] <blz> I tried running alsamixer and PCM is selected as my default soundcard. I believe this is incorrect, and that it should be the USB audio device listed under the "select sound card" menu item in alsamixer.
[0:33] <blz> chithead: ok, let me give that a try =)
[0:34] <blz> chithead: invalid card index
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[0:34] <chithead> then look which indices are valid with aplay -l
[0:34] <pksato> run alsamixer
[0:34] <pksato> anf press f6
[0:34] <blz> pksato, Already did, as noted above
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[0:35] <pksato> no extras card?
[0:35] <blz> chithead: http://hastebin.com/lubemowefo.mel
[0:35] <blz> that's the output of aplay -l
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[0:35] <blz> pksato: There's PCM and an USB audio device
[0:36] <chithead> according to aplay -l, you have only one sound device
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[0:36] <blz> I believe that the USB audio device is what i want (I'm basing this assumption on the fact that my speakers are USB speakers)
[0:36] <KiltedPi> blooming bad internet connection
[0:36] <KiltedPi> I fear i've corrupted my SD card today
[0:36] <KiltedPi> Anyway -
[0:36] <blz> chithead: hmm... then maybe I was barking up the wrong tree?
[0:37] <KiltedPi> Whats the image file I need to 'read' with win32diskimager to back up an SD?
[0:37] <KiltedPi> kernel.img?
[0:37] <blz> chithead: I officially have no idea what to try next =)
[0:38] <blz> On an XBMCbuntu installation, I got it to work with "pacmd set-default-sink alsa_output.usb-1130_USB_AUDIO-00-AUDIO.analog-stereo", although that was when there were two competing cards: the onboard card and the USB speakers I'm not trying to use with raspbmc
[0:41] <blz> any thoughts?
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[0:41] <RedR> blz, have you seen this http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=1052
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[0:42] <RedR> also there is a #raspbmc channel on this server
[0:42] <ParkerR> TAFB_afk, I updated it a bit http://minecrafted.mooo.com/
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[0:42] <blz> RedR: Somehow I managed to miss the fact that this included USB speakers -- I thought it was just for sound cards
[0:42] <blz> that's what I get for speed-reading
[0:42] <blz> thanks!
[0:43] <RedR> gladly
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[0:43] <rymate1234> ParkerR, you're hosting minecraft on a pentium III?
[0:44] <rymate1234> http://minecrafted.mooo.com/specs.txt
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[0:44] <ParkerR> rymate1234, Four of them yes :)
[0:44] <rymate1234> oh
[0:45] <rymate1234> that makes more sense
[0:45] <ParkerR> 4 PIII 700mhz
[0:45] <rymate1234> so its just like 4 pi's!
[0:45] <ParkerR> Heh
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[0:45] <ParkerR> rymate1234, The photos page has a picture of the server
[0:47] <rymate1234> cool
[0:47] <rymate1234> I wish I had a server :/
[0:47] <rymate1234> All I have is a dying laptop, an iPad and a raspberry pi
[0:48] <ParkerR> rymate1234, Well the Pi can be a server :)
[0:48] <rymate1234> yes
[0:49] <rymate1234> yup
[0:49] <rymate1234> however, my ISP doesn't like me hosting stuff on a server for long periods of time
[0:50] <rymate1234> I used my Pi as a server for an irc bot for a few days
[0:50] <rymate1234> my internet got progressively more unstable
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[0:50] <rymate1234> once I took the Pi off
[0:50] <rymate1234> internet became stable again
[0:51] <ParkerR> Weird
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[1:18] <KiltedPi> what causes the SD card to not boot up anyway?
[1:18] <KiltedPi> Or is that a very broad question
[1:18] <KiltedPi> :/
[1:19] <ukscone> lots of things mostly a bad initial creation or a incorrect poweroff
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[1:21] <KiltedPi> incorrect poweroff sounds about right
[1:21] <KiltedPi> I've been using "sudo shutdown -h now"
[1:21] <KiltedPi> That causing probs you reckon?
[1:21] <mgabe> Does anybody here use WiringPi-Rubygem? Trying to figure out how to do PUD_UP via it but I'm thinking it wasn't built into the wrapper.
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[1:24] <ukscone> KiltedPi: that should be ok but did you give it a few seconds before unplugging?
[1:25] <ukscone> and maybe do a sync or two before doing the sudo shutdown
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[1:33] <KiltedPi^> ukscone: apologies! someone was at front door-
[1:33] <KiltedPi^> first! mgabe, the guy who created the wiringPi library hangs out in here usually. he's called 'gordondrogon' and is an admin in here-
[1:34] <KiltedPi^> I think I'll count to sixty
[1:34] <KiltedPi^> ukscone: Sixty secs should be plenty yeah?
[1:34] <KiltedPi^> In fact!
[1:34] <ukscone> yup, i take about that long to cross the room to reach my rpi
[1:35] <ukscone> and never had a problem touchwood
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[1:35] <KiltedPi^> Is that the 'west wing'?
[1:35] * KiltedPi^ grins
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[1:35] <KiltedPi^> You could climb my roof in sixty seconds I reckon :)
[1:36] <KiltedPi^> I live in what we call a 'wee hoose'
[1:36] <KiltedPi^> My pi is right next to me on a second monitor while I play with solder
[1:37] <ukscone> nope just the other room and i do a snail inpression
[1:37] <ukscone> mine are all headless and in 3 different rooms
[1:37] <KiltedPi^> I've not enough hours in the day to get my projects for pi done
[1:37] <KiltedPi^> I'm in second year of my CCNA networking exam
[1:37] <KiltedPi^> s
[1:37] <KiltedPi^> nearly finished
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[1:52] <NullMoogleCable> Is there a way to restore the default lx panel? I accidently deleted mine :-/
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[1:57] <ryankarason> i am having an issue
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[1:58] <ryankarason> i was attempting to run quake 3
[1:58] <ryankarason> which i have successfully ran before
[1:58] <ryankarason> whilst doing so, it crashed with some keyboard input error
[1:58] <ryankarason> so i attempted to reboot remotely
[1:59] <ryankarason> after reboot, no boot
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[2:00] <ryankarason> i get one quick green flash
[2:00] <ryankarason> and then only red for power
[2:00] <ryankarason> no link
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[2:01] <KiltedPi> how do you boot into lxde from root terminal?
[2:01] <KiltedPi> (LXDE is the windows like environment yeah?)
[2:02] <KiltedPi> PWR Light on, ACT not-
[2:02] <KiltedPi> :(
[2:02] <KiltedPi> Corrupt SD card?
[2:02] <KiltedPi> I had the same thing. I've not been powering off properly
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[2:03] <KiltedPi> ryankarason- If you have win32diskimager, and are putting Raspbian(Or whatever linux OS you are using on the pi) from a windows PC-
[2:04] <KiltedPi> You can back up SD card images as you go along-
[2:04] <KiltedPi> The files are quite large, but its a pretty good failsafe I think
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[2:04] <KiltedPi> Unfortunately- Once its knackered its knackered
[2:04] <ryankarason> nothing shows up on the monitor
[2:04] <ryankarason> so i have been remotely sshing into terminal
[2:05] <ryankarason> and anyways, i run dwm with x:)
[2:05] <ryankarason> i do not think the sdcard is corrupt
[2:05] <ryankarason> i sure hope it isn't :P
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[2:06] <KiltedPi> ACT means its an OS thing at least huh
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[2:06] <KiltedPi> At least-
[2:06] <KiltedPi> its most likely scenaro
[2:06] <ryankarason> so the ACT should be solid green
[2:06] <ryankarason> if the os is working correctly?
[2:06] <KiltedPi> mines blinking
[2:06] <ryankarason> ah i see
[2:06] <KiltedPi> and is in terminal
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[2:06] <ryankarason> well sucks i have a bunch of unique data on the pi
[2:07] <ryankarason> i have been messing around with it much lately:/
[2:07] <KiltedPi> Same.
[2:07] <KiltedPi> I lost my python files
[2:07] <ryankarason> shell scripts
[2:07] <ryankarason> rails web server:(
[2:07] <KiltedPi> When shutting down, count to sixty or so I've been told-
[2:07] <KiltedPi> I've been "sudo shutdown -h now"
[2:07] <KiltedPi> which is all good
[2:07] <ryankarason> i just did sudo reboot
[2:07] <ryankarason> and that is when it failed
[2:07] <KiltedPi> But you need to wait a bit
[2:10] <KiltedPi> shell as in BASH?
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[2:13] <NullMoogleCable> :-D
[2:13] <NullMoogleCable> I got minecraft running on my pi :)
[2:13] <ukscone> well not actually count to 60 but give it a few to settle down (or do a sync or two before shutting down as it gives everything time to finish writing if it is
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[2:18] <TomWij> A sync is performed upon shutdown as you unmount so this doesn't make much sense.
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[2:20] <TomWij> (And if you'd do a manual sync, it waits for the writing to complete)
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[2:26] <UnaClocker> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151001826833 Red Pi??? Mmmmmmm
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[2:32] <malcom2073> UnaClocker, same guy who got MTX working on a Pi?
[2:32] <UnaClocker> Yup
[2:33] <UnaClocker> :)
[2:33] <malcom2073> Awesome :) Good job!
[2:33] <UnaClocker> :) Thanks..
[2:37] <tdy_> why does it have to be a red board that can't be imported into the US/EU?
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[2:41] <SwK> you could always spraypaint one red
[2:41] <Flexnard> lol
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[2:45] <SpeedEvil> it can be legally imported by someone outside the EU
[2:45] <SpeedEvil> in that case, the receiver is liable in princuoke for nonconformity
[2:45] <SpeedEvil> principle
[2:46] <SpeedEvil> in practice, prosecution is vanishingly unlikely.
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[3:04] <NullMoogleCable> can you talk to another pi with spi?
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[3:18] <SwK> can you even run the spi or i2c port on the rpi in a mode other than master?
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[3:20] <pksato> can you emulate a slave mode with bit banging .
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[3:24] <b3nt0> This is cross posted: Anyone know if there is a lib for C++ to access the gpio?
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[3:29] <SwK> b3nt0: theres a wiringPi but thats a C lib??? you could probably wrap it
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[3:31] <b3nt0> thanks SwK I found a couple of things on the net, I have not been able to find the libs
[3:32] <SwK> b3nt0: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[3:33] <b3nt0> cool thank you
[3:33] <pksato> b3nt0: scroll down http://hertaville.com/2012/11/18/introduction-to-accessing-the-raspberry-pis-gpio-in-c/
[3:33] <b3nt0> pksato, SwK thank you :D
[3:34] <pksato> next time, use the force. :)
[3:35] <b3nt0> pksato, ya i ran into the links as people posted them. I am using the pi to manoeuvre web browsing not the simplest thing to do
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[3:38] <b3nt0> anyone got a sexy bittorrent client
[3:38] <b3nt0> for pi?
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[3:42] <b3nt0> never mind using apt-get install bittorrent checking it out
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[3:47] <b3nt0> if anyone was wondering apt-get install bittorrent, use is btdownloadcurses [file name]
[3:51] <knoppies> If I use one SD card it boots fine, no issues. If I use my second SD card (same image file) then it says authentication error at the beginning of the boot and about 8 sec into the boot just freezes.
[3:52] <knoppies> I will upload the picture I just took of the dmsg output to show you, but does that mean that my SD card is bad or just not compatible?
[3:52] <pksato> authentication erro?
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[3:56] <knoppies> pksato, yes. Picpaste has made it almost impossible to read (and my phone camera sucks so it wasnt exactly a brilliant picture to begin with) but this is what the dmsg output looks like when it freezes: http://picpaste.com/thumbs/IMAG0428.1362106556.jpg
[3:58] <knoppies> "authentication failure" and the last line is "JNDZ: Error -5 detected when updating jounal superblock for mmcblk0p2-8."
[3:59] <knoppies> there is also a lot of "end request I/O error" and "Buffer I/O error"
[3:59] <pksato> bad sd
[3:59] <knoppies> think it could be the miniSD adapter?
[4:00] <knoppies> the SD card seems to work fine in my PC
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[4:01] <pksato> use badblock and check sd for errors.
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[4:17] <SwK> what award do you get for letting the magic smoke ot?
[4:17] <piney> that smell implanted in your brain forever
[4:18] <piney> if it looks like it came out of a toaster, pics would be cool :P
[4:19] <SwK> nothing that good
[4:19] <SwK> resistor did light up pretty good tho
[4:19] <SwK> i think its salvagable
[4:19] <piney> that would be cool
[4:20] <piney> how did you fry it? if you don't mind saying
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[4:21] <knoppies> if badblocks returns nothing then I assume there were no errors?
[4:21] <elek> noob question, but what is that input next to C5 on rev2 model B?
[4:21] <elek> almost looks like another sd card slot but i dont know
[4:22] <piney> the thing on top that there are two of?
[4:22] <elek> its like an inch long, white and block
[4:22] <elek> piece of tape or something over it
[4:22] <piney> that is s2, the camera connector
[4:23] <piney> or lcd camera, not sure which is which s5 or s2
[4:23] <piney> lcd screen*
[4:23] <elek> interesting
[4:23] <piney> ribbon cable plugs in to there
[4:23] <elek> ya that makes sense, was wondering what that was thanks!
[4:23] <piney> np
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[4:34] <yeik> so if I consider myself a bot, does that mean I am not authorised?
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[4:38] <ReggieUK> are you a bot?
[4:39] <yeik> probably
[4:39] <ReggieUK> I should probably kick you then....
[4:40] <yeik> your foot would hurt
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[4:44] <yeik> anything interesting going on here? is it just the wrong time of day?
[4:45] <knoppies> yeik, yes. I am trying to decide what to do.
[4:45] <knoppies> has anybody got ZNC to work on the Pi?
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[4:49] <ScrPiFone> it's irc yeik, it goes in waves. ;)
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[4:58] <penquin> @yeik I have done it on a pogoplug whats the issue?
[4:58] <penquin> woops *@Knoppies I have got ZNC working on pogoplug
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[4:59] <knoppies> penquin, I haven't started yet, I just wanted to know if there are any issues I should be aware of before I start.
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[5:10] <yeik> penquin, what do you mean?
[5:11] <yeik> knoppies, i understand the dilemma
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[5:26] <r0b-> hi.
[5:27] <r0b-> is it just me or does the 2013-02-09 raspbian image have problems iwth wifi.
[5:27] <r0b-> 2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.zip this is the image i am using and it will not connect to my wifi at all.... using 2 different aapters.
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[5:28] <nkei0> hello
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[5:28] <r0b-> the adapters work fine in Xbian... Raspbian is the only one i have issues with.
[5:29] <nkei0> So, I bought my pi but haven't had any luck with SD cards. Someone at work told me that due to being OC'd, raspbian will tend to brick your SD card more than raspbmc and other distros, This doesn't sound right to me, any input from you guys?
[5:30] <NullMoogleCable> get a new sandisk microsd card with adapter 16 gig 16$
[5:30] <r0b-> imma check out the Adafruit shit first.
[5:30] <r0b-> :|
[5:30] <NullMoogleCable> walmart. sandisk. cheeper
[5:31] <NullMoogleCable> sandisk made the sd spec they follow it to the dot
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[5:35] <nkei0> Well, there goes. I give up. I just tried my fifth SD card. I can't seem to get one that works.
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[5:35] <nkei0> 3 sandisk and 2 amazon
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[5:36] <NullMoogleCable> your doing something wrong then
[5:36] <r0b-> i use Transcend 4gb sdhc cards fine.
[5:36] <r0b-> though my Panda wireless thing is acting up now.
[5:37] <r0b-> i cant get Raspbian to detect it
[5:38] <r0b-> its loading the modules. but i cant get a connection on wifi
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[5:47] <Scriven> So anyone here have pointers for me to turn my pi into a phone? I can't find any compatible USB dongles, and it's getting rather frustrating. :|
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[6:04] <piney> http://pi.flsnj.com/images/ just added the top 3 pics. thats how my pi looks atm if anyone is interested
[6:04] <Scriven> You're in the FUTURE!
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[6:05] <TAFB_afk> piney: looks pretty freaky. did you solder stuff to the bottom of the Pi?
[6:05] <piney> yes, a bunch
[6:05] <TAFB_afk> I noticed, nice work ;) love the power input :)
[6:05] <piney> hoping the i2c and spi don't have RFI problems
[6:05] <piney> lots of wires in parallel
[6:06] <piney> the barrel connector?
[6:06] <piney> camera stuff laying around. you most likely have the same :)
[6:06] <TAFB_afk> the power feed from the board to under the Pi microUSBb
[6:06] <Scriven> piney, what's that coming out of HDMI? Just a plugged 90deg adapter?
[6:06] <piney> 270 degree to be exact
[6:06] <piney> i learned the hard way
[6:07] <TAFB_afk> lol
[6:07] <piney> 90 points down
[6:07] <piney> that other thing on top of it is a lantronix xport
[6:08] <Scriven> lol! ok, important safety tip, thanks! Was looking at that stuff just the other day.
[6:08] <piney> that connects to the UART and i can log in to the xport via telnet.
[6:08] <piney> and that gives me terminal access on the pi
[6:09] <Scriven> why not just ssh to pi?
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[6:09] <piney> well, if the network crashes i can reboot
[6:09] <piney> i mainly do
[6:10] <piney> the xport has 3 gpio pins of its own too, one will be to reboot it later on after i figure out how to control those pins
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[6:11] <Scriven> ah, very cool!
[6:11] <piney> the 2 ic's not connected are an MCP3008 and an amtel atmega 328P. future use
[6:13] <Scriven> future use FTW!
[6:13] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[6:13] <piney> i want to buy a few 3 inch usb cables. one with a big 'B' plug, a few with the mini 'B' plug. cant find them that short. thinking about cutting my own and soldering the large 'A' end on and shrinkwraping it
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[6:16] <TAFB_afk> Smallest I've seen is 18"
[6:16] <TAFB_afk> make sure you get ones with 24 gauge power wires :)
[6:16] <Scriven> yeah, have thought about that myself, would love some short usb of all combinations.
[6:16] <piney> someone needs to sell diy solder kits
[6:16] <piney> i would buy one
[6:16] <knoppies> you get two lengths of cable, too short and too long. I prefer too long.
[6:17] <piney> i have seen 12 inch. but still too long
[6:17] <TAFB_afk> I need some short ones for my motorcycle, to power my gopro and track timer.
[6:17] <piney> i like wire management as a subscriber to reddit's r/cableporn and r/cablefail, i take it to heart :)
[6:18] <TAFB_afk> link me up some cable porn :)
[6:18] <Scriven> lol!
[6:18] <Scriven> reddit.com/r/cableporn I'd think...?
[6:18] <piney> http://www.reddit.com/r/cableporn/
[6:18] <piney> yep
[6:18] <TAFB_afk> ohhhhh nice :) http://tafb.xxx/south_park_I_just_came.png
[6:18] <piney> get lots of ideas there
[6:19] <piney> don't know how appropriate that is for this channel...
[6:19] <Scriven> lol!
[6:20] <TAFB_afk> lol, ahh yes
[6:20] <Scriven> I was wondering actually.
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[6:24] <piney> anyone know if i can access the 1wire driver directly in C ?
[6:24] * Scriven knows not.
[6:24] <piney> reading a few ds18b20's and don't want to open / close files like that
[6:25] <piney> reading them, then putting the data in a mysql database. going to read that database in php and graph the results better
[6:26] <piney> doing that with a csv file atm, but file got too big to load quick
[6:29] <piney> http://i.imgur.com/zih4QuI.jpg thats a cool idea if you don't want to snake the walls
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[6:30] <Scriven> cool idea.
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[9:01] <TAFB_afk> nite nite, everyone enjoy your Pi :)
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[9:20] <Viper-7> Why, oh god why? Well, the guys at Shackspace got their hands on a laser cutter that can only be driven with a Windows program. Their solution was to run Win7 on RPi as a virtual machine.
[9:20] <Viper-7> bah, shame its lies
[9:20] <TeeCee> :(
[9:20] <Viper-7> they run a win7 vm on a real server, and use USBIP, to connect a USB device to the RPi, and proxy it through to the windows VM
[9:20] <nid0> ofc it is, cant run windows on the pi
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[9:21] <Viper-7> he said confidently
[9:21] <TeeCee> So... How about Wine?
[9:22] <gid> Hey folks, with a heatsink my Pi happily overclocks, but then it laid waste to the SD card. I came across initial_turbo= setting as a possible fix... has this worked for anyone?
[9:22] <Datalink> I figured it was QEMU
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[9:29] <Datalink> but not at that boot speed... yeah, that's gotta be a VNC or something
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[9:59] <NESIT> if i wanted to power the pi without the usb plug , which pins do i connect power and ground to
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[10:01] <Viper-7> NESIT: http://elinux.org/images/2/2a/GPIOs.png
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> well if someone wants to donate a laser cutter to me that needs win7 to work, I'l happily reverse engineer it and produce a Linux driver for it...
[10:01] <Viper-7> 2 and 6 will do, just be sure to note the position of the pin 1 marker
[10:01] <Viper-7> top left in that pic
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[10:06] <j0d3> hi
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[10:13] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[10:37] <dwatkins> hiya
[10:38] <dwatkins> My Pi has been running happily for 8 days, and my desktop PC has stopped crashing too, tranquility and consistency is restored.
[10:39] <dcorona_irc_2020> @dwatkins lucky you I still struggling to setup my netgear n150 dongle with my Pi
[10:39] <dwatkins> dcorona_irc_2020: wireless USB adapter?
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[10:41] <dcorona_irc_2020> yeah! ref. my post raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/4687/setting-up-netgear-n150-usb-wifi-adapter-with-raspberrypi-wheezy
[10:41] <dcorona_irc_2020> it detects the router but not connecting. I don't have any clue. I'm debugging this for every weekend for last couple of months :(
[10:42] <dwatkins> I'm confused, is it a dongle or a router? You say you powered the Netgear with the Raspberry Pi's port, so is the device listed in lsusb?
[10:43] <dwatkins> I guess the first thing, assuming it's a wifi network adapter, is whether it's listed in lspci or lsusb and whether the correct module is loaded in lsmod.
[10:43] <dwatkins> it seems to be detected correctly, so I'd go for a manual configuration at the command line, dcorona_irc_2020, to be sure of each step above the module loading.
[10:44] <dwatkins> i.e. iwlist and iwconfig
[10:44] <dwatkins> ah, you put iwlist scan there, so it's being detected and seems to have a working driver, so you should be able to configure your wifi manually, assuming your router has a supported security protocol
[10:45] <dcorona_irc_2020> i tried to manually enter the wpa_config file
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[10:45] <dcorona_irc_2020> and it is listed with lsusb. Refer my post where i've posted output
[10:46] <dwatkins> yeah, I'd go through the process of entering the WPA/WEP key manually with iwconfig so that you can be sure of each step along the way
[10:46] <dwatkins> then dhclient should show if it's getting a DHCP address, assuming the router is providing one
[10:48] <dcorona_irc_2020> I dont have mac id filter setup in my router. Any new devices, iDevices connect without issues. and the dongle is also works as expected with a windows pc.
[10:50] <dwatkins> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14119446/iwconfig-connect-network-via-wifi-on-terminal might help
[10:50] <dcorona_irc_2020> i also tried to use the http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/3839/wlan-using-netgear-wna1000m-fails-what-am-i-doing-wrong accepted answer config with appropriate value for ssid and passwd
[10:51] <dwatkins> yeah, do it manually with iwconfig so you can see what the errors are exactly
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[10:52] <dcorona_irc_2020> any particular log files to inspect for errors. When i tried the steps last time (wpa_suppliant) there was no error in the console
[10:53] <dwatkins> check /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages and the output of dmesg
[10:54] <dcorona_irc_2020> dwatkins: btw sudo iwconfig wlan0 key s:HBAQXK7W6Y
[10:54] <dcorona_irc_2020> the key is the password for the connection?
[10:54] <dwatkins> I believe so
[10:55] <dcorona_irc_2020> one more imp. My router doesn't broadcast ssid (hidden) I have also tested by broadcasting/open accesspoint removed wpa
[10:56] <dcorona_irc_2020> "iwconfig doesn't support WPA/WPA2, only unencrypted networks or WEP" quoting from the SO link you shared. dwatkins
[10:56] <dcorona_irc_2020> does it support wpa2? or need to set router to use WEP?
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[11:01] <dwatkins> oh, I didn't know this
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[11:04] <dwatkins> in that case I guess you need to use wpa_supplicant as it says... http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-wpa-wpa2-wireless-wifi-networking/
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[11:25] <dcorona_irc_2020> okay will try this later. thank you @dwatkins
[11:26] <dcorona_irc_2020> may be I'll login same time tomorrow. (right now @ work :)
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[11:36] <NESIT> im using a l7805 regulator to drop 12v 2A to 5v but the pi keeps reseting :/
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[11:38] <dwatkins> NESIT: what does a voltmeter say the actual voltage is?
[11:39] <NESIT> 5
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[11:40] <dwatkins> you can also check what the Pi is receiving by putting a voltmeter between T1 and T2 pins on the board, NESIT - that might help
[11:40] <dwatkins> this assumes it's a smooth supply, of course
[11:41] <NESIT> im using pin 2 for input for the voltage comeing from the regualtor
[11:42] <dwatkins> pin 2?
[11:44] <NESIT> the 5v pin
[11:45] <dwatkins> are you using the MicroUSB port to power the Pi or applying power to the GPIO, NESIT?
[11:46] <NESIT> to the gpio
[11:46] <NESIT> trying to power my project with a 12v wallwart
[11:46] <NESIT> to i wanted to drop down to 5v with the regulator
[11:46] <dwatkins> did you do all this? http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1617/how-do-i-supply-power-through-the-gpio
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> a 7805 is a 1 amp regulator - no real issues there, but it's going to get very hot feeding it with 12v.
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> it might be cutting out due to thermal overload.
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> I've used one from a 9v supply and it got too hot to touch...
[11:48] <dwatkins> I imagine going down to 5 Volts, the current will easily go above an amp in that case
[11:48] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: well the package is only rated to 5 watts, even with a heatsink
[11:48] <Viper-7> 5V from 12V @ 1A is 7W of heat
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[11:49] <NESIT> i just didnt want 2 plugs for the projects
[11:49] <dwatkins> what's the other plug for, NESIT?
[11:49] <NESIT> i need the 12v for an lcd and a door lock actuator
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> Pi only pulls 200-300mA though
[11:50] <NESIT> have a small 4.5" lcd connected to svideo
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[11:50] <gordonDrogon> you'd probably be better off with a SMPS regulator - they cost more though.
[11:51] <NESIT> something like http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/180947008880?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[11:51] <NESIT> i guess im stuck with 2 plugs for now
[11:53] <NESIT> or maybe run that 5v to a chopped up micro usb
[11:54] <NESIT> but youre saying that the heat from it will be too much
[11:54] <dwatkins> does it make sense to have a single 5 Volt supply and transform that up to 12 Volts for the peripherals, perhaps? Just thinking what other options there might be, NESIT.
[11:55] <NESIT> i figured stepping down the voltage would have been a better idea
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[11:58] <gordonDrogon> NESIT, yes, those look OK. Not used them myself, but you will need a multimeter to set them to 5v *before* you connect it to the Pi!
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> best to step-down - especially if driving high current things like door solenoids.
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> this: http://uk.farnell.com/xp-power/sr10s05/switching-regulator-5v-1a-o-p/dp/1861095?Ntt=sr10s05 is a drop-in 7805 replacement. I've not used it, but a friend uses when when refurbishing spectrums...
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[12:07] <NESIT> what makes it better than the 7805?
[12:08] <NESIT> do you think its better to use the 7805 and push it through the usb instead of gpio pins for better protection
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[12:18] <gordonDrogon> these are better than the 7805 because they are more efficient in terms of power wastage - probably more aimed at battery use, however they run cooler, so less danger of overheating and thermal shutdown.
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> If you go via the microUSB then you have a polyFuse to protect the PSU and maybe the Pi.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> if you go via the GPIO then no protection unless you decide you need some.
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[12:19] <gordonDrogon> When I did it, I didn't bother, but you need to assess that risk for yourself.
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[12:21] <Viper-7> heh, dx have the monolithic units in now too
[12:21] <Viper-7> http://dx.com/p/dc-6-5-24v-to-5v-mini-buck-converter-power-supply-module-for-diy-156969
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> oddly enough I think I'd rather buy from Farnell than Dx!
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> ?5.75 from Farnell vs. $6.30 from Dx + currency conversions + import duty, taxes, etc. and a dodgy returns policy...
[12:27] <Viper-7> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/dc-12v-7v20v-to-dc-5v-1a-max-converter-voltage-regulator.html
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[12:27] <Viper-7> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/cpt-dc-12v-to-dc-5v-15w-converter-voltage-regulator.html
[12:27] * gordonDrogon wonders why people ever buy from Dx, etc.
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> Haha... goodluckbye.com - about sums it up!
[12:28] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: thats like US$9, and farnell has a minimum order or shipping cost
[12:28] <Viper-7> for dx or goodluckbuy thats the only price you pay, no shipping, no duty, no taxes, etc
[12:28] <Viper-7> when they`re half the price or less for most items
[12:28] <Viper-7> it makes plenty of sense
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> never ever say "no duty" when importing to the UK.
[12:29] <Viper-7> considering they`ll happily lie on customs forms, sure i will
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> I've been stung several times.
[12:30] <dwatkins> it classes as fraud, I believe
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> I've never had any issues buying from Farnell though. I'll use them all the time - no issues with postage (free) or minimum quantities. They "just work" and I get it next working day.
[12:30] <dwatkins> Farnell have been superb, including when I had to return something that was faulty.
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> and I'll happily pay a bit more for that.
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[12:34] <Viper-7> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/cpt-dc-12v-to-dc-5v-15w-converter-voltage-regulator.html
[12:34] <Viper-7> that`d make a good pi driver
[12:34] <Viper-7> 8-20V, up to 3A, easy usb plug
[12:36] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: farnell have a minimum order of $150 to qualify for free shipping here
[12:36] <Viper-7> im rarely buying that much in one go
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[12:36] <Ryanteck> Happy Birthday Pi!
[12:36] <Viper-7> more like $50 here and there
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> just oder a Pi with it. Free shipping with Pi's :)
[12:38] <NESIT> i pushed the 5v from the 7805 through a hacked usb cable and into the micro usb port
[12:39] <NESIT> boy does that 7805 heatsink get hot
[12:40] <Viper-7> NESIT: yeah, supposed to be like 1W max without a heatsink
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/farn.png <--- looks pretty free to me
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[12:40] <Viper-7> you`d be pushing out 2-3A
[12:40] <Viper-7> 2-3W
[12:40] <Lartza> Rev 2 <3
[12:41] <Lartza> Since mine is made in china, what defects should I look for? ;)
[12:41] <Lartza> Functional ones
[12:41] <double-you> whats the reason for sd corruption? too high cpu mhz, too high ram mhz or too high voltages?
[12:41] <Lartza> Filled GPIO holes? I can't find anything else
[12:42] <Lartza> and mine ain't filled
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[12:45] <NESIT> still going through that its not enough juice
[12:45] <NESIT> the ethernet doesnt work
[12:45] <NESIT> im just gonna settle with 2 adapters
[12:46] <metaman> double-you: wasn f??r ne sd karte? guck ma hier http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards und hier http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
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[12:52] <double-you> metaman: i dont have corruption yet, just want to clock my pi to the maximum without getting errors
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[12:53] <metaman> double-you: you cool it?
[12:53] <double-you> yes
[12:53] <dwatkins> does over-clocking void the warranty?
[12:53] <metaman> with
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[12:56] <Lartza> dwatkins: Not anymore with latest fw
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[12:56] <Lartza> Or well overclocking never did, but overvolting did
[12:56] <dwatkins> ah ok, I'm not sure what over-volting would do, but thanks
[12:57] <metaman> try to mount the root partition from a usb device
[12:57] <metaman> double-you
[12:57] <Lartza> dwatkins: Overvolting allows bigger, more stable overclocks
[12:58] <Lartza> I'll be back in a minute, switching to my new Pi :)
[12:58] <double-you> there can't be any usb drive corruption?
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[12:59] <metaman> never heard of
[13:01] <double-you> but my pi resets sometimes on heavy load and turbo mode
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[13:01] <Lartza> Anyone wanna buy a rev 1 board and modmypi case? ;)
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[13:04] <metaman> double-you, imine is running stable in turbo with sandisk card and stick
[13:04] <metaman> those are expensive, and i never tried something else, but it works fine
[13:05] <metaman> double-you, is the governor active?
[13:05] <double-you> no idea, I set turbo mode in raspi-config
[13:05] <metaman> double-you, do you have heavy load on ethernet?
[13:06] <double-you> wifi
[13:06] <metaman> double-you, you can see the governor switching on during boot
[13:06] <metaman> wifi via usb
[13:06] <metaman> or sd
[13:06] <double-you> usb
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[13:08] <metaman> maybe the sd card is simply old, do you compile on it? this may burn the sd card quite fast
[13:08] <double-you> I just want to set max. cpu frequency without getting restarts
[13:09] <Lartza> What does smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N do?
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[13:10] <Lartza> Also how much is the minimum for gpu?
[13:11] <double-you> if 900 mhz works and 1000 doesnt, then perhaps 950 works or 1000 and lower voltage or ram frequency, no idea
[13:12] <adeus> interesting, I get better upload than dl speeds with a 4G modem on the RPi
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[13:15] <double-you> does it make sense to change cpu to 1000mhz and set ram to normal voltage and speed?
[13:16] <metaman> i dont think that 1000 is running stable without overvolt?
[13:16] <Lartza> Is 1000mhz stable at all?
[13:16] <Dyskette> Generally people are overvolting to get 1000MHz, aren't they?
[13:17] <Dyskette> But, every chip is differnet.
[13:17] <Dyskette> Some will do it with ease, others won't at all.
[13:17] <Lartza> Alright, I will try then ;)
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[13:33] <gordonDrogon> just don't overclock
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[13:35] <pronto> over clock all the things, bro
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[13:47] <Viper7> i have a long HDMI cable that has issues with almost anything i plug it in to
[13:47] <Viper7> a) is it safe to leave the hdmi boost at 4 on the pi for extended periods
[13:48] <Viper7> b) does it go any higher than 4 ? >:D
[13:48] <Lartza> Viper7: hdmi_boost 4 should be safe
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[13:49] <Lartza> Viper-7: Why so long cable? :/
[13:50] <Viper-7> Lartza: was ages ago shopping online just for a `spare cable` to have around, one of those cases where it was an extra dollar for twice the length, then an extra dollar for twice again, and so on :P
[13:50] <Viper-7> and yeah, i went a bit overboard
[13:51] <Viper-7> it works in my desktop pc, but has issues with audio
[13:51] <Viper-7> doesnt work in playstations, laptops, etc
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[13:53] <Viper-7> oh nice, boost goes all the way up to 11
[13:53] <Lartza> Viper-7: That's because the signal only goes so far with HDMI :P Usually longer doesn't matter but...
[13:53] <Lartza> :D
[13:53] <Lartza> It does with coaxial cables used for internet and HDMI ;)
[13:54] <Viper-7> brb
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[14:49] <keen_commander> hi room!
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[14:59] <sinni800> hey guys, do you know of any nice small LCD text displays which are more than 10 x 10 CM large?
[14:59] <sinni800> and sport, maybe, 3 lines of text...
[14:59] <sinni800> (use case: readable from farther away)
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[15:01] <FR^2> you mean something like those displays at a train station? ^^
[15:02] <sinni800> not THAT huge ^^
[15:02] <sinni800> haha
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[15:02] <sinni800> but yeah, basically
[15:02] <FR^2> okay.
[15:02] <FR^2> sinni800: conrad? ^^
[15:02] <sinni800> i looked on reichelt and didnt find anything... guess ill do that then
[15:03] <FR^2> http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/180856/OLED-Display-VGB25664A-S001-Blau-Anzeige-Flaeche-7678-x-1918-mm-Aufloesung-256-x-64-Pixel-Display-Groesse-792-cm
[15:03] <FR^2> something like that?
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[15:03] <FR^2> erm. No, that's smaller than you said.
[15:03] <FR^2> I mistook it for 76cm, but it's 76mm
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[15:03] <sinni800> 76 cm?? :D
[15:03] <sinni800> that's a little much
[15:04] <sinni800> it shouldnt exceed 20 cm though
[15:04] <keen_commander> sinni800: how is connected to raspi?
[15:04] <keen_commander> gpio?
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[15:04] <keen_commander> :S
[15:05] <sinni800> keen_commander: i havent done anything yet, i need a display first
[15:05] <keen_commander> sinni800: umm
[15:05] <sinni800> the display will decide how i will connect it
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[15:20] <spots> hi
[15:21] <spots> is there a way to make a .deb package after cross compiling so one can install it, or how do i move cross compiled programs to the rpi except copying each file hand by hand?
[15:23] <arcanescu> is there a version of thttpd with php?
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[15:25] <Nik05> spots: debuild can make deb packages, and also for cross compiling
[15:25] <Nik05> but not sure what you are crosscompiling
[15:25] <spots> php
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[16:18] <mlpug> My brandnew device says "mmc0: Controller never released inhibit bit(s). mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt - cmd13". Boot does not make real progress after these. Is this wellknown issue: what to do?
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[16:21] <nid0> what type/size sd card are you using
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[16:24] <mlpug> class 10 8GB
[16:24] <mlpug> verbatim
[16:24] <nid0> "Premium"?
[16:25] <mlpug> I dont see word "premium" in this box. BTW,This card was sold next to raspberry separately from the other cards and the store presonnel said it means that this is compatible.
[16:25] <mlpug> sorry, actually I see premium here
[16:26] <mlpug> is that good or bad
[16:26] <nid0> "premium" verbatim cards are on the hardware list as bad, though that could just mean unknown - what type/brand/power rating power supply are you using
[16:29] <mlpug> tinyplug TPE50 series 5V/700mA sold next to raspberrypi as well meaning the store thinks this is compatible
[16:29] <IT_Sean> 700mA is the bare minimum for a raspi.
[16:29] <mlpug> ok. mine qualifies then for that metrics
[16:29] <IT_Sean> You're probably better off with a ~1A supply.
[16:32] <IT_Sean> whadowe think gents? power issue, or SD card compatability issue?
[16:32] <IT_Sean> (does theraspi still have issues with some class 10 cards, or was that solved?)
[16:32] <nid0> it doesnt have general class10 problems but some specific cards do still cause issues
[16:32] <nid0> and his card is listed as causing exactly this problem
[16:32] <nid0> but then, that could just be the person that reported it also having power problems and not checking fully
[16:33] <nid0> mlpug: do you have any usb devices connected to the pi?
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[16:33] <mlpug> wireless keyboard and wired mouse
[16:33] <nid0> unplug them
[16:33] <nid0> then boot the pi again
[16:34] <mlpug> ok. can do. should I use DVI or HDMI does it matter if this is power issue?
[16:36] <mlpug> throws the very same mmc0: ... message without mouse and kbd
[16:37] <IT_Sean> sounds like the card _might_ be at fault
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[16:37] <SixtyFold> 8 more dollars for a new card then id guess
[16:38] <mlpug> thats 6 euros in my case
[16:38] <SixtyFold> hhe
[16:39] <mlpug> I have some much smaller and older SD cards. Are those worse or better. does it make sense to try those
[16:39] <SixtyFold> im waiting on a class 10 card to come today, not the same one tho, so hopefully i dont have this issue
[16:39] <SixtyFold> mlpug, what size?
[16:39] <nid0> mlpug: if you have any half decent class 6's theyll do fine
[16:39] <mlpug> 2GB
[16:39] <nid0> thats big enough to test at least
[16:39] <SixtyFold> kinda small but itd be worth trying just to see if it boots up i guess
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[16:42] <mlpug> okay. my actionplan is then to try that one and if it does not work I study those card compatibility lists and buy a new one. tnx.
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[16:49] <cityLights> hi
[16:49] <cityLights> I am not using the raspbian distro, but rather gentoo
[16:50] <cityLights> my first boot partition is FAT
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[16:50] <cityLights> I want to use the rootfs on the second partition as btrfs
[16:51] <cityLights> current boot file only supports vfat,ext2,3,4
[16:51] <cityLights> how to use btrfs as rootfs?
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[16:51] <cityLights> I already have btrfs.ko
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[16:52] <cityLights> how to build initramfs if I can't apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-4-rpi ?
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> from what I understand you can have root on any type of partition on the Pi - including various network ones - all you need is the kernel compiled to support it. good luck!
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[16:58] <cityLights> then i need to boot the kernel with the initramfs and these modules
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[17:02] <gordonDrogon> the kernel would neet btrfs compiled in. then the initrd+modules can be on the 2nd partition.
[17:04] <Torikun> cityLights: yeah you need to modify the initrd. I been trying to boot off LVM, no luck.
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[17:13] <Matt> LVM is fun
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[17:13] <cityLights> ok, i hope to share the kernel and initrd
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[17:19] <mlpug> IT_Sean, SixtyFold nid0, FYI: ref: my 8GB case discussed one hour ago. it boots ok with that old 2GB card confirming (?) that my 8GB card is not good for this purpose. Is there some database where one can report incompatibilities
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[17:20] <nid0> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[17:21] <nid0> yours is already listed as incompatible, you could just add your name as well though to show more than one person's had the same problem
[17:21] <SixtyFold> i have a class 10 8gb transcend coming today
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[17:24] <Twist-> Does the Pi run noticibly faster with a class 10 while remainingstable?
[17:26] <Twist-> Let's say boot noticeably faster, to avoid a discussion about unlike work loads.
[17:27] <SixtyFold> idk, i just assumed it would be a bit faster, but i havent even booted mine up yet, so idk
[17:27] <nid0> Twist-: no
[17:28] <nid0> it obv depends to some extent on the specific cards, but a decent class 6 vs a decent class 10 there's generally going to be no difference at all
[17:29] <Twist-> I've been working off a stack of class 4s
[17:30] <IT_Sean> Aren't class 10s optimized for sequential writes? If so, you won't see any benefit to them on the pi.
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[17:31] <nid0> pretty much all sd cards are designed for sequential read/write, its not just a symptom of class 10 cards
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[17:45] <SixtyFold> well, as long as the sucker works in my rPi, that's all that really matters to me
[17:46] <SixtyFold> it was like 7 bux and some change for an 8gb class 10 one, so
[17:47] <|Jeroen|> quite cheap
[17:47] <Twist-> SixtyFold: that's how I wound up with the class 4 4GB cards I'm using. "$3 each? hells yeah." *grab*
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[18:28] <narcos> Hi all. I've loaded the "Soft-float Debian ?wheezy?" - but I don't currently have a monitor. Will SSH come up by default? Or any other remote admin?
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[18:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> use hf raspbian
[18:36] <pksato> narcos: why you using a `slow' soft-float ?
[18:37] <narcos> So, on http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads I see two options "Raspbian ?wheezy?" or "Soft-float Debian ?wheezy?". I'm using some tools which require Debian.
[18:37] <pksato> sun/oracle java?
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[18:38] <mgottschlag> narcos: it should bring up ssh by default I think
[18:38] <narcos> https://github.com/pwnieexpress/Raspberry-Pwn
[18:38] <pksato> both theses are debian wheezy basead distribution to raspberry pi.
[18:38] <narcos> "Raspberry Pwn is built on DEBIAN - not RASPBIAN - and will not work on RASPBIAN images!! This install guide was tested with the "Soft-float Debian Wheezy" build and works as expected."
[18:39] <narcos> Anyway, it doesn't seem to be DHCPing
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[18:40] <pksato> Raspberry Pwn?
[18:40] <narcos> Yes
[18:41] <narcos> Bunch of security tools
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[18:41] <narcos> Kind of like BackTrack.
[18:41] <IT_Sean> 'security' tools, or prepubescent scriptkiddy tools?
[18:41] <IT_Sean> 'cause those are the only people i know who use the word "pwn"
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[18:41] <narcos> IT_Sean: http://pwnieexpress.com/
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[18:42] <narcos> They have some useful tools.
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[18:42] <narcos> Well, I think without monitor output, I'm not going to know what's going on with my Pi. I shall have to go buy a converter.
[18:42] <IT_Sean> you don't have a screen that will take HDMI or composite?
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[18:43] <pksato> conflicting information, hard fload and soft float non oficial version of Debian are same base. And, result is/are called Raspbian.
[18:43] <_21h_> ???????????? :)
[18:44] <IT_Sean> _21h_: Please speak english in #raspberrypi
[18:44] <narcos> IT_Sean: My screen has DVI DSUB
[18:45] <IT_Sean> I see.
[18:45] <narcos> *DVI and DSUB
[18:45] <narcos> and nothing in my DHCP leases
[18:45] <IT_Sean> you'll need an HDMI DVI converter, then, i suppose.
[18:45] <narcos> Yip :)
[18:45] <_21h_> IT_Sean: it english
[18:46] <narcos> Going to go try find a shop that's still open - thank for the input.
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[18:48] <pksato> nice last command on Raspberry Pwn install scrip, reboot. :)
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[18:50] <SwK> newark doing free shipping for the RPi B'day
[18:50] <Torikun> wha wha wha
[18:51] <Torikun> is mcm part of newark
[18:52] <SwK> Newark is Element14
[18:52] <Torikun> oh
[18:52] <SwK> Newark is for US where Element14 is UK/Europe
[18:52] <|Jeroen|> international shipping?
[18:53] <SwK> doesnt say
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[18:54] <Torikun> newark has no pi's!
[18:54] <Torikun> MCM is the only reliable one
[18:54] <Laurenceb> who ate all thje pi's??
[18:55] <|Jeroen|> sorry
[18:55] <SwK> Newark is constantly backordered on the Pi's but they usually ship much faster then their estimated ship dates
[18:56] <SwK> I think they learned early on about under-estimating the lead times
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[18:57] <SixtyFold> whoo
[18:57] <SixtyFold> good, my card for rPi is in the list of ok sdcards
[18:57] <SixtyFold> TS16GSDHC10E
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[18:58] <SwK> hah you should check the "check more stock" thing on newark for the Pi??? they are getting like 7000 units in every few days right now and staying sold out
[18:58] <SixtyFold> err, maybe
[18:58] <SixtyFold> mine is TS8GSDHC10E
[18:58] <SixtyFold> mine is TS8GSDHC10 shows good, and the 16 gig E shows good but they dont have the 8 gig E, hrmm
[18:59] <SwK> I would just try it and see
[18:59] <SwK> i've had good luck so far with the 4G microSD's from sandisk
[19:00] <SixtyFold> yah, it should be here in 2-3 hours, so well find out either way
[19:00] <SixtyFold> hehe
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[19:01] <SwK> SixtyFold: if it doesnt work the first time, reimage the card lol
[19:01] <SwK> and check your voltage across TP1 and TP2
[19:02] <SixtyFold> ok
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[19:03] <SwK> i've got about a dozen rpi's and (knock on wood) no issues so far but I did smoke check a LCD plate from adafruit last night lol
[19:06] <steve_rox> what can someone use so many rpi for?
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[19:06] <SwK> steve_rox: phones
[19:06] <SwK> secure phones
[19:07] <steve_rox> how in what sence?
[19:07] <SwK> as in very heavily encrypted VoIP
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[19:07] <steve_rox> oh i dont know of any voip progs for it yet
[19:07] <SwK> switchpi.org
[19:07] <steve_rox> cant get the goons to give us a arm skype
[19:08] <SwK> screw skype
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[19:08] <SwK> SIP and XMPP FTW
[19:08] <steve_rox> id rather not screw it
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[19:09] <steve_rox> wonder who will make the first video call when rpi cam comes out
[19:09] <linuxstb> SwK: Is that your project, or are you just a user?
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[19:10] <SwK> linuxstb: my project
[19:11] <linuxstb> SwK: So is that using the Pi as the actual phone, or just as a proxy to a hardware VOIP phone?
[19:11] * linuxstb guesses the former
[19:11] <SwK> yes it is using the Pi as the actual phone
[19:11] <frozenpi> I'm pretty new to linux, what is the earliest point I can run a program at boot on debian? at the moment I'm running at /etc/init.d/rcS but that can take 3-7 seconds to hit
[19:12] <SpeedEvil> SwK: what phone hw?
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[19:12] <SpeedEvil> frozenpi: boot your program in place of the boot loader
[19:13] <SwK> SpeedEvil: the Pi??? using wiringPi by Gordon, and some MCP230XX i2c gpio expanders to interface with LCD and Keypad, and using USB audio interface for sound i/o, using FreeSWITCH to drive it all
[19:13] <SpeedEvil> SwK: oh, right, I assumed something more sane using USB
[19:14] <SwK> something more sane?
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[19:14] <SpeedEvil> voice over USB
[19:14] <frozenpi> I still want the OS though, I want to write a mini splash screen/ intro game because the pi can take quite a while to boot so I don't really want to write baremetal and would prefer not to recompile the kernel
[19:14] <SwK> frozenpi: look at debian and starting programs on boot
[19:14] <SwK> frozenpi: like maybe rc.local
[19:15] <mgottschlag> frozenpi: probably what you really want first is to reduce the kernel as much as possible
[19:15] <frozenpi> that gets hit even later than rcS
[19:15] <SwK> SpeedEvil: and whats wrong with voice over USB?
[19:15] <SpeedEvil> SwK: nothing, I mean only one connection, not lots
[19:15] <SpeedEvil> oh, misread
[19:15] <SpeedEvil> nvm
[19:15] <BCMM> frozenpi: i don't think i saw the start of this conversation, but graphical boot screens generally require some kernel support, and if raspbian doesn't use a boot splash, its stock kernel probably doesn't support it
[19:16] <BCMM> also, on a nice SD card, boot can be pretty quick
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[19:17] <linuxstb> frozenpi: Have you looked at berryboot? I've never used it, but IIUC it brings up a boot menu before loading the OS, so perhaps that could help you.
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[19:17] <SwK> SpeedEvil: with FreeSWITCH we can actually drive multiple USB Audio devices??? say we could have 1 RPi, driving probably 3 or 4 "phone heads" max??? I think we're run out of CPU transcoding the 44k SLIN to say G711 or G722 at that point
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[19:18] <SpeedEvil> SwK: yeah, I misread the above connections as all going to a phone
[19:18] <SwK> including handling the crypto for the media stream
[19:18] <frozenpi> I'll take a look at berryboot thanks, but just to check there isn't any script anywhere I could insert into which runs before the /etc/init.d/rcS that anyone knows of?
[19:18] * SpeedEvil wishes he could find the paper on pushing voice-like coded data over GSM
[19:19] <mgottschlag> frozenpi: maybe you could write a wrapper around init, that would be the first possible point in time
[19:19] <SwK> SpeedEvil: you mean using the GSM audio stream as a to transmit data?
[19:19] <SpeedEvil> SwK: yes.
[19:19] <mgottschlag> but I don't think there is anything easier
[19:20] <SpeedEvil> you basically have a data controlled synthetic throat.
[19:20] <BCMM> SpeedEvil: given that GSM supports data, why would you want to do that? it sounds interesting
[19:20] <SpeedEvil> and recogniser on the other side. they achieved 1300bps
[19:20] <SwK> SpeedEvil: have you seen the work david rowe is doing with codec2 and FDMDV ?
[19:20] <BCMM> also i bet the compression would totally break something like just plugging a 56k modem in where the mic is supposed t obe
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> BCMM: because most carriers don't support data. or require the user to call and find a operative with a clue, or charge ridiculously. of more than one of the above
[19:21] <SwK> BCMM: i can think of a few use cases off the top of my head
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> BCMM: see above - synthetic throat
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> you drive that with your (FEC'd) data.
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[19:22] <SpeedEvil> you absolutely can't send random non voice like data, the GSM codecs shred it
[19:22] <SwK> SpeedEvil: check this out http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?page_id=2458 I've been meaning to try it via cell phone and see what happens with GSM and AMR
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> absolutely useless, alas.
[19:23] <SwK> you should see what GSM and AMR do to something as simple as DTMF
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[19:24] <SpeedEvil> the codec does not broadly reproduce any sound the human voice can't make
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[19:24] <SpeedEvil> a single voice
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> this includes wierd sounds - if you can beat box it, it's fine
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> buy polyphony - no.
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[19:45] <Ryanteck> Hello
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[19:47] <steve_rox> hello
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[19:57] <Geshh> New guy question: if I am ssh'd in and am currently running a script, will termination of the ssh session stop the script?
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[19:59] <larsks> Geshh: Probably. You can use "nohup" to insulate the script from HUP signals, which may allow it to continue running, or you can use something like "screen" or "tmux" to run the script into session that will persist after you log out (and to which you can re-attach later).
[19:59] <larsks> *into --> "in a"
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[20:01] <Geshh> ok, i assume that those commands that are ran in terminal on the raspberrypi
[20:02] <larsks> ...well, they are commands that you would run in your shell after sshing into the raspberrypi.
[20:02] <larsks> If that's what you meant, then yes :).
[20:04] <Geshh> oh, I have a script running right now. its been going on for the past 6 hours. I am going to have to end my ssh session soon and dont want the script to stop
[20:04] <larsks> There's not too much you can do with a script that is already running.
[20:04] <Geshh> ideally i would take the raspberry pi with my as well, but I cant turn the power off
[20:04] <Geshh> ok
[20:05] <Geshh> I didn't realize this script would take this long
[20:05] <Geshh> lol
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[20:06] <dexta> evening
[20:06] <larsks> dexta: maybe!
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[20:23] <linuxstb> Geshh: But for future reference, just do "nohup scriptname &" and that will put all script output in a file called nohup.out, and the script will keep running after you logout
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[20:28] <Geshh> ahhh, ok
[20:28] <Geshh> thanks
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[20:49] <keen_commander> anybody know anything about encrypt the data on raspi?
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[20:51] <DeliriumTremens> how would one go about creating a persistent pts for a user...(i'm guessing one doesn't do that :P)
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> keen_commander: encrypting what data? you mean the filesystem?
[20:53] <keen_commander> a complete partition
[20:53] <keen_commander> home for example
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[20:58] <schnuws> hello!
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[21:00] <pr0clivity> anyone successfully using an xbmc distribution on their rpi with wifi only?
[21:01] <pr0clivity> if so, what brand/model wifi nic are you using? my linksys (rt2500 chipset) is giving me nothing but fits
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[21:10] <blz> Hello dudes and dudettes!
[21:10] <blz> I'm running rpi-update and I have a message asking me whether I want to install the package maintainer's version of udev or whether I want to keep the current version
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[21:11] <blz> This is a fresh raspbmc install, so I'm guessing that I should just install the package maintainer's version, but I wanted to double check
[21:11] <blz> Any recommendations?
[21:11] <Viper-7> it would be asking about a configuration file, not the library itself?
[21:12] <blz> Viper-7, yes, of course
[21:12] <blz> But I could have been more explicit ^^
[21:12] <Viper-7> well unless you`ve changed it yourself, yeah just take the one that comes with the version of the library you`ll be using
[21:12] <Viper-7> aka the package maintainers version
[21:12] <blz> Ok, sounds like my intuition was good. I guess that's a good general rule any time I get a similar message
[21:13] <Viper-7> yup
[21:13] <Viper-7> generally it means you`ve changed something yourself
[21:13] <Viper-7> but when in doubt, restoring to what the distro does by standard shouldnt be a problem :P
[21:13] <blz> I don't think I have =/ I literally just installed the OS 5 minutes ago
[21:13] <blz> Of course it's Raspbmc so maybe they have a modified version of these files?
[21:14] <blz> I guess I can always mount manually if it comes to that
[21:14] <Scriven> blz, if y ou're knowledgeable enough with Linux in general, you could use the 'display difference' option that's normally offered, to see what's being changed.
[21:15] <blz> Scriven, yeah I looked at that, but honestly I don't really know the ins and outs of udev configuration files
[21:15] <Scriven> but if you aren't already familiar with /etc/ setup in general, that may just be more confusing.
[21:15] <blz> I'm probably a mid-level user
[21:15] <Scriven> yeah, in that case what Viper-7 said. ;)
[21:15] <blz> A mid-level user who never bothered to learn bash scripting, at that =/
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[21:16] <blz> BTW, does this channel officially support raspbmc?
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[21:16] <xzr> I would think there's a dedicated channel for raspbmc
[21:16] <xzr> on another note
[21:16] <blz> Indeed there is!
[21:17] <xzr> has anyone actually managed to use a regular usb gamepad as a controller on these rpi xbmc distros
[21:17] <Viper-7> blz: as far as im aware, raspbmc is just raspbian with a custom repository added, and a few extra packages selected by default
[21:17] <xzr> I'm hitting a brick wall
[21:17] <blz> Viper-7, that was my impression, too
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[21:18] <Viper-7> blz: check /etc/apt/sources.list and find out :P
[21:18] <blz> Viper-7, I did! That's what led me to that impression =)
[21:18] <Viper-7> hehe
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[21:22] <Scriven> Viper-7, that's not exactly true, b/c for some reason using the raspbian/debian apt-get system is known to break the xbmc 'stuff', and so is not recommended.
[21:22] <Scriven> there is a mention in the forums of this.
[21:22] <blz> Scriven, you're saying I shouldn't use apt-get?
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[21:23] <Scriven> blz, let me dig up the link, hang on.
[21:23] <blz> Scriven, that would be great. I've been using apt-get like my life depended on it
[21:24] <Scriven> http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=6214
[21:24] <Scriven> specifically this part near the bottom: apt-get upgrade is KNOWN to break Raspbmc installation. It has always been advised NOT to use upgrade. Installing packages or apt-get update is safe (depending on the package of course).
[21:24] <blz> whoops
[21:24] <blz> I *just* got done upgrading
[21:25] <Scriven> I have done it and had no functional issues, but that post made me quite disappointed.
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[21:25] <Scriven> so I guess YMMv and be warned and all that. :(
[21:25] <blz> Yeah, but now that you mention it, the same was true of XBMCbuntu
[21:26] <blz> And I trashed an XBMCbuntu installation by doing dist-upgrade
[21:26] <blz> oh but I guess that's a bit different...
[21:26] <Scriven> gotta jet for lunch, good luck blz !
[21:26] <blz> enjoy!
[21:27] <blz> On offtopic note, It appears as though I am internet famous: https://twitter.com/SamNazarko/status/307587146003390466
[21:28] <Viper-7> update should certainly be safe, and if it breaks up upgrade they`ve screwed something up hardcore
[21:28] <Viper-7> dist-upgrade is a whole different story
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[21:29] <isasha> Hello
[21:30] <pronto> ????s??s?? oll????
[21:30] <isasha> How do I install windows on the raspberry pi? This whole linuxy thing is too complicated.
[21:30] <IT_Sean> isasha: you don't
[21:30] <sraue> raspbmc uses raspbian as a base system and add/replace packages without using the packagemanager, there is no own apt repo behind the raspbmc own stuff... its all about wget'ing precompiled binarys in the system
[21:30] <isasha> IT_Sean: lies
[21:30] <isasha> http://shackspace.de/?p=3859
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[21:30] <pronto> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs Will it run WINE (or Windows, or other x86 software)?
[21:30] <IT_Sean> The raspi will not run Windows.
[21:30] <pronto> No.
[21:31] <pronto> to lurkers: i reccomend not clicking that url
[21:31] <sraue> this makes apt-get in raspbmc useless in most cases
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[21:32] <blz> Uh oh, we have an Australian, here...
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[21:32] * blz is referring to pronto's greeting
[21:33] <|Jeroen|> it could run wine i guess
[21:33] <pronto> ????????? ?????? ????????????????????? ????????? ???????????? ??????????????????????????? ???????????????
[21:33] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!*sasha@*.fixme.ch
[21:33] * isasha was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[21:34] <Scriven> er?
[21:34] <blz> Streissand effect all up in here...
[21:34] <Scriven> violates channel policy how?
[21:34] <|Jeroen|> lol
[21:34] <xzr> postin those refer links is just retarded
[21:34] <xzr> oh never mind
[21:35] <Scriven> I mean, the linked URL explicitly doesn't contain 'how to install winders on pi' link, it's a vnc-style remote-head... so the lies comment was uncalled for...
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[21:35] <Grievar> wait why does that content violate channel policy?
[21:36] <Viper-7> <pronto> to lurkers: i reccomend not clicking that url
[21:36] <Viper-7> why?
[21:36] <Viper-7> i read that article last night
[21:36] <Viper-7> looked fine... mostly misleading nonsense, but safe enough..
[21:36] <xzr> I somehow automatically thought it was a referral link to one of those get clicks get pics things
[21:36] <xzr> :D
[21:36] <pronto> Viper-7: *shrugS* only reason i said that, it was some random join/rant/parter with a .ch rdns
[21:36] <Grievar> what's wrong with switzerland?
[21:37] <Grievar> there are lots of scammers from switzerland?! o.o
[21:37] * Grievar didn't know that
[21:37] <Viper-7> IT_Sean: what was the issue there?
[21:37] <Grievar> pronto: I didn't know .ch was sketchy
[21:37] <pronto> Grievar: got it ocnfused with .cn *faceplam*:
[21:37] <Viper-7> actually, reading that article last night got me playing with usbip
[21:37] <pronto> but i dont not to trust the swiss either >.>
[21:37] <Viper-7> so i`d say its very relevant, on-topic, etc
[21:37] <pronto> i dont liek their cheese
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[21:44] <mikey_w> hi
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[21:49] <isasha_> I'm sorry, why did my other account get blocked? Have none of you heard of sarcasm?
[21:50] <|Jeroen|> sarcasm can't be installed on a pi either
[21:50] * ReggieUK sets mode +b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.
[21:50] <Scriven> WHY?
[21:50] * isasha_ was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[21:50] <Scriven> ok, this is stupid.
[21:51] <Grievar> Why was he banned in the first place?
[21:51] <ReggieUK> I have no idea
[21:51] <Scriven> what part of his perfectly fine link violated policy, please?
[21:51] <ReggieUK> I guess one of the ops didn't like what he did
[21:51] <Scriven> the op said it violated policy.
[21:51] <Scriven> what policy?
[21:51] <Scriven> IT_Sean, ?
[21:52] <IT_Sean> Sorry... didn't mean to ignore you... was on a support call.
[21:52] <IT_Sean> The content posted was a violation of the channel family friendly language policy.
[21:52] <xzr> well, he was hardly misbehaving
[21:52] <Scriven> IT_Sean, HOW? IT was a link to a use-pi-as-vnc page?
[21:52] <Scriven> did you even look at it?
[21:52] <IT_Sean> I did.
[21:52] <ReggieUK> I looked at it too and concur
[21:52] <xzr> lol :D
[21:53] <Viper-7> IT_Sean: because it has a swear word with censored letters in the topic?
[21:53] <xzr> you guys living in cotton candy or something
[21:53] <Viper-7> wow, what a tolerant community.
[21:53] <xzr> :D
[21:53] <Scriven> and the F word in one place.
[21:53] <Viper-7> its the internet yo, climb out from under your rock
[21:53] <xzr> that's ridiculous
[21:53] <ReggieUK> I rebanned him because he'd tried to get round the original ban
[21:53] <Scriven> wow. Some times people get a break, other times they get double-banned.
[21:53] <Scriven> that's stupid, IMNSHO.
[21:54] <xzr> the average kid on the internet will run into far more offensive things in 5 minutes
[21:54] <xzr> every day
[21:54] <Viper-7> IT_Sean: that link is _everywhere_ atm, it was on hackaday last night, expect it to be posted more often.
[21:54] <Twist-> Seems like it's fundamentally an overaction to the "lies" wisecrack.
[21:54] <xzr> but hey if you guys are running a bible club down in here, who am I to judge
[21:54] <ReggieUK> he could've pm'd it_sean about why he was banned, they could've discussed it but nope, seems he would rather try and assert himself on the channel
[21:54] <Twist-> And the profanity justification came after the fact.
[21:54] <Viper-7> to be fair, the guy looked like a troll from the start
[21:55] <Viper-7> ReggieUK: i was questioning IT_Sean`s action before he evaded the ban
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[21:55] <Scriven> 'looked like' and 'was' are different.
[21:55] <ReggieUK> that's fine about kids running into more offensive things on the net, that's fine, elsewhere :)
[21:55] <Viper-7> Scriven: yup
[21:55] <xzr> you consider f***ing offensive?
[21:55] * xzr was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[21:55] <Scriven> offensive enough to ban w/o warning?
[21:55] <Scriven> lol!
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[21:55] <Scriven> no ban for him tho?
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[21:55] <xzr> :D
[21:56] <Viper-7> after ban evasion yeah bad luck, he`ll be lucky if he doesnt get his freenode account killed
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[21:56] <xzr> cotton candy ^
[21:56] <Viper-7> but posting a link with a censored swear in the topic = bannable? ugh
[21:56] <Viper-7> might be time for a new home guys
[21:56] <xzr> is f******** acceptable then
[21:56] <xzr> it could be fahrenheit
[21:56] * ReggieUK sets mode +b *!*@troopers.fi
[21:56] <IT_Sean> Guys... we're trying to run a pretty open and friendly community here, while acting in the best interests of The Foundation. As we are operating with their blessing, we have to keep some things in mind, such as the fact that the raspi, in it's educational role, is targeted towards a younger market. As such, we have a zero tolerance policy for, among other things, foul language.
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[21:56] <Scriven> <isasha> Yo can you just pass onto IT-Sean that I have more than one IRC accounts, and I do have VPNs. But it really wasn't my intention to troll. Not at all.
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[21:57] <mjr> this is getting ridiculous
[21:57] <Scriven> IT_Sean, then the mods need to figure their crap out and either be ban-hammer-heavy or give warnings. Cause it's stupid.
[21:57] <chithead> bans are always at the ops' discretion. they need no justification whatsoever. freenode still has plenty namespace for your own channel with your own rules
[21:57] <IT_Sean> Scriven, thank you for you input.
[21:57] <ReggieUK> indeed it is, we're clearly not going to move on our stance, so anyone that wants to push buttons knows the consequences, plain and simple
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[21:58] <Scriven> lol! IF we know that the stance will be consistent, it woudl be easier to not find it laughable.
[21:58] <Viper-7> IT_Sean: if he used foul language then fair enough, but i see nothing warning people away from posting links with potentially dubious :/
[21:58] <Viper-7> content*
[21:58] <Scriven> and clicking on the links isn't mandatory, but reading the page is. Big difference.
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[21:58] * Twist- shrugs.
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[21:59] <Scriven> unbelievable and sad.
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[22:00] <Viper-7> ^ this
[22:01] <Scriven> been on irc nearly 20 years, haven't seen an overreaction like this in a decade. Seriously makes me rethink my involvement.
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> it all boils down to wanting to create a safe place for everyone young and old. posting links that people will click on that removes that idea of safety isn't good.
[22:01] <Viper-7> we have very strict policies on language in ##php, enough that we have a bad reputation on freenode for it
[22:01] <Twist-> This is perhaps an educational example of the hazards of defying ostensibly irrational people in positions of authority.
[22:01] <Viper-7> if he swore, or the URL he posted contained swearing, or the page it pointed to contained uncensored swearing, then sure
[22:01] <Viper-7> but it was none of that..
[22:01] <Twist-> Pick your battles.
[22:01] <Viper-7> it was a single censored word in the page content lol
[22:01] <Scriven> no, the F word did appear one time uncensored.
[22:02] <chithead> Scriven: go to ##otw and you will be banned for idling
[22:02] <Scriven> omgg I said F I may get banned.
[22:02] <Scriven> chithead, if that was an obvious rule, so be it. This violated no rules.
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> so what projects have we all got lined up for our Pi's for the weekend?
[22:02] <Viper-7> Scriven: oh yep, halfway through the page hidden in the content, sigh
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> anyone going to Pi Jamboree next weekend?
[22:02] <Scriven> Viper-7, yes. Sadly.
[22:02] <Viper-7> well i was going to be playing with USB/IP
[22:02] <Viper-7> but since the link that gave me the idea got the last guy banned
[22:03] <Viper-7> i might just play cricket instead
[22:03] <Scriven> lol.
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[22:03] <mjr> so essentially one is _not_ to link anything here that one hasn't thorougly read and verified as being swear-word free
[22:03] <Scriven> or not share the maybe-controveresial progress here.
[22:03] <mjr> of course, linking to any site that allows user comments is risky, as there might be new ones
[22:03] <Scriven> better not link to hackaday either.
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> I'm doing a 45 minute presentation at the Pi Jamboree with Andrew wossisname who designed the PiFace if anyones coming along..
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> and a 15-minute stint on using wiringPi.
[22:04] <Xeph> Are you guys from the US? (to all the f-word people here)???
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> should be fun!
[22:04] <Scriven> Xeph, seems the only 'safe' way to reference the most-evil-word.
[22:04] <mjr> Scriven, I actually wonder _why_ it's safe if xzr's version wasn't
[22:05] <Scriven> mjr, me too. lol
[22:05] <mjr> but oh well
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[22:05] <Xeph> Scriven: Nah, I did not mean the people here, but the people discussing about "the fword"
[22:06] <Scriven> Xeph, we were discussing it that way b/c any other way will apparently get us kickbanned, and it was spawned b/c of a link to a new pi how-to that contained the word once clear and once *****'d out.
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> working on wiringPi2 ...
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> anyone have any thoughts on what they'd like to see in wiringPi?
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[22:07] <Xeph> Scriven: I ask because I could not imagine other people than US-citizens discussing about swear words like that [/prejudice]
[22:07] <Xeph> No one cares???
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[22:07] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: DMA output ala pi-blaster?
[22:07] <Xeph> In other parts of the world, I guess
[22:07] <Scriven> Xeph, I'm Canadian, but how else can we talk about the word w/o referencing it? Since apparently the ops DO care, over-much IMNSHO.
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[22:08] <Scriven> haven't been this disappointed and frankly gobsmacked in ages. Makes me wonder how long the ops have, well, been ops.
[22:08] <Viper-7> Xeph: i`m australian, nuff said
[22:08] <Viper-7> im actually swearing every second word, my irc client just censors me :P
[22:08] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, haven't worked with wiriingpi enough to know what I want to change/add, sorry.
[22:09] <Scriven> Viper-7, lol!
[22:09] <mjr> Scriven, I've seen it before on #ubuntu-offtopic, so I'm not _that_ surprised. I wrote an opinion piece on it. I can link in private if you like. Too afraid to link here.
[22:10] <Xeph> Viper-7: Then I'll have to adjust my prejudices. The english speaking world is nonsensically mad about swear words.
[22:10] <Scriven> lol, it's probably safer mjr
[22:10] <Scriven> Xeph, agreed. I tend to swear a lot, and have done so in this channel and been told to not to. But kickban (and still banned I'll point out) on 1st offence is stupid.
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[22:12] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, yea, I'll look at that at some point - ie. using the DMA for timing, I presume you mean, but servoblaster and pi-blaster are both kernel modues, aren't they?
[22:13] <Xeph> Scriven: Swearing is fine, just to be clear.
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[22:13] <Xeph> One would not do, if it wasnt fine.
[22:14] <Scriven> Xeph, I tend to agree. :)
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> my plans for wiringPi 2 are to make it easy to add in more gpio expanders - e.g. the i2c and spi ones and simple things like 74x595 shift registers.
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> and analog support too!
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> s oyou can use digitalWrite (100,0); to set pin 100 - which might be allocated to a 23017 gpio expander chip.
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[22:17] <Scriven> Stll not unbanned? Really? That'll teach the kids tolerance for sure... zero-tolerance FTL.
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[22:19] <Torikun> Type "do the harlem shake" into youtube and wait 10 seconds
[22:20] <Scriven> Torikun, careful, if there's swearing they'll kickban... better make sure it's perfectly clean forever...
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[22:21] <Torikun> it is
[22:21] <mjr> actually the page that you get by doing said search on youtube contains nsfw imagery. Tsk tsk.
[22:21] <Scriven> MY EYES!!!! MY BEAUTIFUL EYES!!!!
[22:21] <Torikun> lol
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[22:24] <Scriven> that's a HUGE banlist...
[22:24] * SixtyFold slaps Scriven around a bit with a large trout
[22:24] <SixtyFold> im hungry, brb, haha
[22:24] <Scriven> lol
[22:24] <Scriven> abuse is ok tho. ;p
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> that's an old one.
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> google: tilt
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> and: do a barrel roll
[22:26] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: i thought so too, but apparently not
[22:26] <Viper-7> pi-blaster creates a device node, a simple fifo buffer, but it doesnt require a kernel module, just a daemon
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[22:27] <Viper-7> even then the fifo just looks like a convenient method of control/access
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[22:27] <Scriven> I've avoided the harlem shake 'stuff'... maybe I should watch one. lol
[22:27] <mjr> on my google "do a barrel roll" returns search results including a borderline word, tsk tsk
[22:28] <Scriven> "Oh my god, won't someone think of the children!!!"
[22:29] <Torikun> lol
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, Hm. Yes 'Joan' on the forums said something about i being userland. I get ok results for softPWM just with timers though.
[22:29] <martk100> I want use a program called easystroke on a touchscreen display on archlinux. My problem is what do I use as a gesture button or key when I finally remove the kb and mouse.
[22:29] <Scriven> mjr, have skimmed your link, I agree very much.
[22:30] <Scriven> martk100, shouldn't the touchscreen itself identify as HID device?
[22:30] <Scriven> i haven't played with them yet, so that's just speculation.
[22:30] <mjr> google results do vary a bit according to person, time and location, so essentially I'm going to have to assume it's not safe to suggest people to google particular keywords
[22:31] <martk100> Scriven: I can set easystroke to initiate gestures every time I touch the screen. How do I then touch to select or scroll?
[22:31] <Scriven> better just run everything through one of the net.nanny things, just in case other borderline things like female-body-part-names show up...
[22:32] <Scriven> martk100, sorry, I don't know. I haven't played with touchscreens yet myself. Could be a setting for a specific gesture, assuming the HID driver can tell them apart.
[22:32] <Scriven> perhaps similar to right-mouse-click vs left-mouse-click?
[22:32] <Scriven> hopefully someone with more experience can help.
[22:32] <martk100> Scriven: Any idea where I can ask?
[22:33] <Scriven> martk100, here or #raspberrypi-dev
[22:33] <Scriven> IRC requires patience, so if you don't get an answer from someone right away, wait and ask again later.
[22:33] <Scriven> Remember we're from all over the world, so some who know may be sleeping, for instance.
[22:33] <mjr> is -dev for raspberry development, development for raspberry, or both btw?
[22:34] <Scriven> I've seen both types of convo on there mjr
[22:34] <martk100> Scriven: Yes I am often in this irc. So I think I know the rules.I will try later and maybe in -dev. Thanks.
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[22:34] <Scriven> martk100, you're welcome. Sorry I coudln't be more actual help.
[22:35] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: does the pi have a counter exposed for use?
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[22:37] <Scriven> tempted to start new channel, hate to divide such a generally-not-idiotic community. *shrug*
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[22:39] <Scriven> mjr, after reading some more, I'm tempted to point out OMG has been said in here recently, and w/o acronym protection.
[22:39] <Xeph> martk100: the easystroke website has some hints on mapping gestures to xinput-events
[22:39] <mjr> that part is probably not overly relevant on here. As said, the text was written about the other channel earlier.
[22:39] <Scriven> This: "Rules that are used as running gags are not worthy of their label."
[22:40] <Scriven> It is tho, because depending on the personal opinions of the offended op, for example a fundamentalist christian WOULD find 'oh my god' to be 'swearing'.
[22:40] <martk100> Xeph: Could you give me a link?
[22:40] <Xeph> martk100: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/easystroke/wiki/TipsAndTricks
[22:41] <Xeph> martk100: i dont own such a fancy device, so no experience here ;) but it sounds like what you want
[22:41] <Scriven> since the rules seem to be so randomly and arbitrarily applied in here, how is someone to know?
[22:41] <martk100> Xeph: I have seen that. It does not help. thanks anyway.
[22:41] <mjr> Scriven, fair point
[22:42] <Scriven> a simple grep of my logs will for SURE show some 2nd chances given, and yet still the bans remain for the non-violation earlier. So again, how are we to know?
[22:42] <martk100> Xeph: That relates to touchpads.
[22:42] <Scriven> Same as the H.E.Double-hockey-sticks word... is that swearing, or only for Christians?
[22:43] <Scriven> or even heck, since it's an obvious reference to it, same as ***** with an F in front?
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, there is a single 32-bit counter that can tick at a variable rate that you can access & program.
[22:43] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: pi-blaster seems to top out at ~7 bits resolution with 1kHz PWM, which is still pretty respectable compared with software considering the lower cpu usage and all
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, yea, getting lower than my 0.5% cpu usage is impressive.
[22:44] <Viper-7> at that rate?
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[22:44] <Scriven> sadly the ops seem to be silent now, when actual relevant discussion is going on.
[22:44] <Scriven> will banhammer but not discuss.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, my code runs with 100uS pule resolution for a range of 100 pulses.
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, mostly because you're boring....
[22:45] <Scriven> and this too: "The rules (or guidelines) are enforced very arbitrarily, many of them being regularly broken and/or used as running gags. A regular user can easily get the impression that operators bend the guidelines when the they agree with what's being said, and start being more strict if they disagree."
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[22:45] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, Sorry you think that. I happen to think it's relevant, as do many others from the back-channel discussion going on.
[22:45] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: at 1kHz, 100uS granularity on pulse width would give you 10 possible states?
[22:45] <Viper-7> heh
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, I think you're being really boring. give it up.
[22:46] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, no.
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, 101. 0-100
[22:46] <Scriven> unless 'boring' isn't allowed either?
[22:46] <Scriven> cause it's harmful to the children?
[22:46] <Xeph> martk100: i think they write about touchscreen input. is the touchscreen recognized at all? do you get input information?
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> you're not impressing anyone, you're just being boring now.
[22:46] <Scriven> Xeph, he left already.
[22:46] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, you're welcome to have your opinion...
[22:46] <Scriven> I obviously don't agree.
[22:46] * ChanServ sets mode +o gordonDrogon
[22:47] <Xeph> Scriven: ah
[22:47] <Scriven> Xeph, he may be in -dev still, haven't checked.
[22:47] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: uhh, hows that work?
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, for '1' then it's one pulse of 100uS then 99 pulses of 0. For 99 it's 99 times 100uS on and 100uS off.
[22:47] <Viper-7> 1000Hz, so 1mS per cycle, 10 * 100uS == 1mS
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[22:48] <Viper-7> so 100Hz, not 1KHz
[22:48] <Xeph> Scriven: i dont care, got no touchscreen and ??? wont own one voluntarily
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> 100uS.
[22:48] <Viper-7> 100Hz with 100uS granularity
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> that's it.
[22:48] <Viper-7> the frequency doesnt change with PWM.. duty cycle does
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[22:48] <Viper-7> heh ok, so pi-blaster can do 10 times the rate of yours
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[22:49] <Scriven> Xeph, understood. Was just providing potentially helpful information. ;)
[22:49] <feeshon> anyone use laptop lcd controller boards from ebay to setup a laptop screen? I have a picture frame computer made out of an old laptop but want to pull the motherboard on it and put a pi in it
[22:50] <Scriven> feeshon, from what I've read the parts have to match exactly, and that's a very hard thing to do w/o lots of previous knowledge.
[22:50] <ReggieUK> I'm sure I saw someone do something like that, can't remember where though
[22:50] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: ok, back to my question then (and i am going somewhere with this), can said timer/counter be used as a direct frequency counter?
[22:50] <feeshon> Yea thats what I was just readin g
[22:50] <Scriven> there was one example, as ReggieUK said, but don't know where I read it either.
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[22:50] <Viper-7> an interrupt would do, but total cpu offload would be far better
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, getting accurate times under 100uS without using a timing loop, or some other way to de-schedulle is not easy.
[22:50] <ReggieUK> they got the lcd controller from nyjtouch I think
[22:51] <Scriven> I thougght it was ebay, so may have been a different post, or I may be wrong.
[22:51] <feeshon> Scriven: What barebones screen can I find to put into my own housing?
[22:51] <ReggieUK> you give them the model of your lcd panel and choose the inputs that you want
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, the timer I know about - no. there is a pre-scaler into it I think. I did originally have it running at 1MHz and would poll it until it reached a value, but that needs 100% cpu.
[22:51] <Scriven> feeshon, I have no idea I'm afraid. I've been mostly following gordonDrogon 4D systems stuff, I don't want to play around with maybe-will-work solutions and would rather a drop-in one, at least for now.
[22:51] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: still might be ok
[22:51] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: sigma delta adc
[22:52] <ReggieUK> feeshon, http://stores.ebay.co.uk/njytouch?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
[22:52] <feeshon> ReggieUK: Yea njytouch are the guys I found
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, the issue is de-schedulling your process for the duration - so that one process doesn't hog 100% cpu.
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, unless hogging is acceptible that is!
[22:52] <ReggieUK> but what Scriven is saying is correct, you do need to be careful doing this, so read up first
[22:53] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: theres no reason why a GPIO cant output ~10MHz with *NO* CPU intervention
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[22:53] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, you can throw a clock at one GPIO.
[22:53] <Viper-7> if a counter or ISR can tally the incoming pulses that have arrived in the last <period>
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> userland ISRs max-out at about 66KHz.
[22:53] <feeshon> I used to be a laptop tech....I know how it works....Thanks guys!
[22:54] <Scriven> it's VERY easy to waste a lot of money trying to match existing pieces to new ones.
[22:54] <Scriven> lol, ok!
[22:54] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: regarding output, i didnt think that pi fm transmitter thing used the gpclk output?
[22:54] <Scriven> feeshon, then when you figure it out let us know! :D
[22:54] <Viper-7> and its spewing forth a 100MHz carrier
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[22:54] <feeshon> I know those inverters are some nasty lil bugger
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> Viper-7, I'm not sure what clock it uses - the default is 19.2MHz, but there are several clocks to choose from.
[22:54] <Scriven> Bah, time to get children from school. afk.
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[22:56] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2109
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[22:56] <ReggieUK> 5th post
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[22:58] <ReggieUK> the lcd panels are specific so they have a range of generic boards with programmable controllers on them, they simply update them with the timings etc. for your specific panel
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[22:59] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: my bad, it is using the GPCLK0 output
[22:59] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: so no way to get the internal timer to use an external clock?
[23:00] <Viper-7> even with pre-scaling it`d work
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> I don't think so.
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[23:03] <mgottschlag> most atmega/attiny can count pin level changes though, so attaching one via spi/i2c would work
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[23:06] <Viper-7> 4x 32-bit and 1x 64-bit system timers, plus another 32-bit timer `arm side`
[23:06] <Viper-7> and they all drive off core clock just with dividers? ugh :/
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> it's a cheap chip designed for set-top boxes... it's quite limiting from some aspects.
[23:07] <mgottschlag> they are driven from either 1) 19.2 MHz crystal 2) one of the three PLLs on the board which multiply the crystal frequency 3) some weird HDMI clock which is just another PLL
[23:09] <Viper-7> looking at the DMA interface to the PWM is interesting tho
[23:09] <mgottschlag> is it possible to do DMA from a normal GPIO? if yes, then you could let the DMA hardware sample the signal at regular signals
[23:09] <mgottschlag> and then postprocess that data
[23:09] <Viper-7> 16x32 bit fifo, so 512 bits of buffer
[23:09] <mgottschlag> PWM is the wrong direction though
[23:09] <Viper-7> mgottschlag: even then, the only code ive seen selecting clock sources like that has been for the PWM sub system
[23:10] <Viper-7> well since it includes a timer, i figured i`d check if it exposes it
[23:10] <Viper-7> but no such luck
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[23:11] <Viper-7> Last data in FIFO is transmitted repetedly until
[23:11] <Viper-7> FIFO is not empty
[23:11] <mgottschlag> timers are the wrong word anyways, you want a counter, and the pi doesn't have that
[23:11] <mgottschlag> timer = counter connected to internal clock
[23:11] <mgottschlag> usually at least
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> no way to count external pulses.
[23:11] <Viper-7> so the DMA channel can set up a 512 bit pattern, for the PWM pin to endlessly output with no cpu intervention
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> there is one free counter in the pi.
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[23:12] <gordonDrogon> which you can connect to a clock.
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> page 196 of the peripherals manual.
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[23:14] <Viper-7> what is the apb clock?
[23:14] <mgottschlag> advanced peripheral bus, the arm bus system
[23:15] <Viper-7> yeah, but whats it running at
[23:15] <Viper-7> The clock from the ARM timer is derived from the sy
[23:15] <Viper-7> stem clock
[23:15] <Viper-7> ^^ re: the `free` counter
[23:16] <Viper-7> im looking SPI squarely in the face now :P
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> good luck.
[23:16] <Viper-7> 16 word buffer, internal/external clock support ...
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> and some rather questionable hardware )-:
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> it seems to add a clock or a clock and a half's delay between outputting bytes when doing multi-byte xfers.
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> and the latency with the current linux driver is rather high, although there is work being done on that.
[23:17] <Grievar> gordonDrogon: is that an issue?
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> Grievar, I've not found it to be, but it does slow-down long xfers.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> Grievar, and there is some weird and whacky LED driver that seems to not like it either.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> some people were trying to output pulses to simulate 1.2uS for an 'on' pulse and 1.8uS for an off pulse to thise LED string to send it data ..
[23:19] <Grievar> gordonDrogon: nod. I was thinking about using the Pi's SPI output to drive an LED array but I think I'd put a small FPGA or something as a middleman
[23:19] <Grievar> have it buffer a whole frame and then send it out with precise timing when triggered
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> Grievar, sure - I know it will drive the usual wsxxxx chips OK Though - they're not timing dependant.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> I'm driving some LCD displays via it at high speed and it seems OK.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> it's just small xfers that have high latency.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> e.g. my audio recording experiments on the Gertboard - max 8KHz sampling or playback!
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSCBj6rabIU
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[23:26] <Viper-7> gordonDrogon: so given your earlier comments on interrupt timing, shouldnt filling the SPI buffer every 100uS be feasible? especially since the hardware can generate an interrupt to trigger refilling the buffer for you
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[23:27] <Viper-7> heck, even every 1mS, thats still what, 500kHz of 9-bit accurate PWM ? heh
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[23:28] <Viper-7> better still, data can be INCOMING at that rate
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> probably - but it seems to be the call from userland into kernel land to kick the xfer off that takes the time.
[23:29] <Viper-7> and breaking that data down into a simple frequency counter should be feasible too
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[23:30] <gordonDrogon> I'd need to read that chapter of the manual. I must admin I only concentrated on the bits I actually needed...
[23:30] <Viper-7> all of which add up to mean the pi has a very accurate high speed ADC on-board, just waiting for a feedback resistor and some capacitance to be unleashed :P
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[23:31] <gordonDrogon> Heh...
[23:32] <Viper-7> which im sure would be of interest to many :P
[23:32] <Viper-7> it`d make wiringPi2 leave a mark :D
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> I have connected 2 GPIOs together with an LDR and small cap to make a gpio controlled oscillator to measure the light falling on it.
[23:32] <Viper-7> heh
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> used one gpio pin to start the charge & do the discharge. probably violating everything in the book, but it did work!
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> afk for a bit
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[23:34] <Viper-7> sounds like sigma delta adc in a nutshell :P
[23:34] <Viper-7> but frequency matters, so sampling stuff like audio is still feasible
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