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IRC Log for 2013-03-02

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[0:17] <KiltedPi> Need some advice!
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[0:17] <KiltedPi> :S
[0:17] <KiltedPi> I want to have a PCB made up
[0:17] <KiltedPi> then I'm going to solder things to it!
[0:17] <KiltedPi> :D
[0:18] <KiltedPi> I have heard you can download software-
[0:18] <KiltedPi> and send copies to PCB manufacturers-
[0:18] <ParkerR> KiltedPi, Need more details than that :P
[0:18] <KiltedPi> anyone here use one of these? (preferabbly UK based)
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[0:18] <KiltedPi> Sure!
[0:18] <KiltedPi> You errm... Basically design a circuit board-
[0:19] <KiltedPi> like, on the software you get
[0:19] <KiltedPi> And they print it for you
[0:19] <mgottschlag> KiltedPi: for the software, I use eagle
[0:19] <KiltedPi> Thats it! Eagle
[0:19] <KiltedPi> I'll need a PCB manufacturer
[0:19] <A124> Proper software, manage to make it yourself, or find a one with good autoroute and supply schematic. Then you export to the manufactorer requested format, order and wait.
[0:19] <mgottschlag> most pcb companies accept formats which can be produced by eagle
[0:20] <KiltedPi> mgottschlagg: I'll use Eagle-
[0:20] <KiltedPi> Recommend a manufacturer?
[0:20] <mgottschlag> no idea
[0:20] <KiltedPi> A124: I've heard of people making it themselves sure-
[0:20] <KiltedPi> Ferric Oxide or whatever it is
[0:20] <KiltedPi> heh
[0:21] * KiltedPi realises Ferric oxide is 'rust'
[0:21] <KiltedPi> Ferric something.
[0:21] <KiltedPi> They make their own boards!
[0:21] <Nik05> Fer
[0:21] <KiltedPi> Ferric chloride maybe
[0:21] <KiltedPi> Thats Waaaaaaaaay too much trouble.
[0:22] <A124> Only one piece of board?
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[0:23] <A124> There are often options to let other people do the circuit while they are doing theirs.. So both sides save money
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[0:34] <KiltedPi> So, can anyone recommend a PCB manufacturer (preferably in the UK)
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[0:36] <plugwash> i've used newbury and lef before but they are fairly expensive
[0:36] <plugwash> there's also pcb pool in ireland
[0:36] <KiltedPi> newbury?
[0:37] <KiltedPi> have you got a link?
[0:37] <KiltedPi> I'd rly appreciate it
[0:37] <af1> wahey bought the programming raspberrypi book today
[0:37] <KiltedPi> new territory for me, all this hardware stuff
[0:37] <KiltedPi> is it mainly python af1?
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[0:37] <plugwash> http://www.pcbtrain.co.uk/
[0:37] <KiltedPi> I was curious about that book myself
[0:37] <KiltedPi> Ta!
[0:37] <af1> its all about getting started with python
[0:37] <af1> but im a programming novice so anything is a good start
[0:38] <KiltedPi> Pythons good for that definately.
[0:38] <KiltedPi> Its a long journey, learning to program.
[0:38] <KiltedPi> A fun one tho
[0:38] <A124> I like Ruby :D
[0:38] <KiltedPi> Itinerize.
[0:38] <KiltedPi> Thats my advice
[0:38] <KiltedPi> Itinerize everything. Set goals. Meet them
[0:38] <af1> as i always say, i just want my kids to have an understanding
[0:39] <KiltedPi> enjoy driving a ferrari in your retirement af1
[0:39] <KiltedPi> :)
[0:39] <af1> i feel i missed out at school, my generation at school just seemed to be taught how to use microsofts suite of office tools
[0:39] <KiltedPi> Same
[0:39] <plugwash> lef's website is http://www.pcb-manufacturers.co.uk/
[0:39] <KiltedPi> Do they use Eagle, plugwash?
[0:39] <KiltedPi> for the design?
[0:39] <af1> lol a porsche will do
[0:39] <KiltedPi> they are only realising the skills gap now
[0:40] <af1> i can see why
[0:40] <af1> my 4 year old takes my amiga apart, the master system all kinds
[0:41] <af1> just like i used to
[0:41] <plugwash> most PCB vendors i've used expect you to send them gerber and nc drill files
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[0:41] <plugwash> which any decent PCB package should be able to generate
[0:41] <ReggieUK> getting pcbs made for you is great, if you know your circuit will work
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[0:41] <ReggieUK> but for prototyping and debugging, etching your own is useful
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[0:42] <KiltedPi> I've a complicated design for a lightning detector
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[0:43] <A124> One thing is 'will work' and other is 'will fit the purpose'
[0:43] <plugwash> going further affield gold phoenix in china tend to be cheaper, especially if you want unusual stuff but you have the fun of dealing with a company in china...
[0:44] <plugwash> there is also olimex in eastern europe but their design rules can be a pain to work with and you have to be very careful if you want to avoid paying extras
[0:44] <plugwash> (haven't used olimex personally though i've considered it)
[0:46] <plugwash> afaict the big problem with doing your own boards is you can't do through hole plating
[0:46] <plugwash> and building a double sided board without through hole plating is a major PITA
[0:49] <mjr> watch out, language is (on occasion) policed rather aggressively
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[0:50] <A124> Kidding?
[0:51] <mjr> no
[0:51] <A124> Too much in my opinion
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[0:54] <KiltedPi> not rly
[0:54] <KiltedPi> I'm scottish tho
[0:54] <KiltedPi> I've had to reign it in myself. Pi is for kids too remember
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[0:57] <af1> isnt it solely for kids haha
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[1:01] <A124> Pi is for studies and reseach primarily
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[1:02] <tdy_> i wouldn't say "primarily"
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[1:03] <tdy_> it's primarily a hobbyist thing..
[1:03] <af1> its awesome.. full stop
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[1:09] <Nik05> its a have thing :P and my irc client host...
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[1:14] <KiltedPi> l2C and SPI
[1:14] <KiltedPi> If I have something- A circuit-
[1:14] <KiltedPi> which uses them
[1:14] <KiltedPi> How do I go about interfacing them with pi?
[1:16] <A124> (need to use google translate: http://www.raspi.cz/2012/07/pouziti-i2c-sbernice-detailni-postup-hodiny-realneho-casu-pro-rpi/
[1:17] <Viper-7> KiltedPi: slave or master? 3.3V or 5V? uses *THEM*? or one of them? :P
[1:18] <KiltedPi> Well!
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[1:18] <KiltedPi> I was wondering- If I buy an integrated circuit for lightning detection, (It uses l2C and SPI)-
[1:18] <KiltedPi> How I would go about hooking it up. Physically
[1:18] <KiltedPi> I can write code
[1:20] <KiltedPi> Heres a link to a datasheet for the IC : http://www1.futureelectronics.com/doc/AUSTRIAMICROSYSTEMS/AS3935.pdf
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[1:22] <Viper-7> got a breakout board or something for it?
[1:22] <Viper-7> hand soldering an MLPQ aint gonna be fun :P
[1:22] <Viper-7> or possible, but hey
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[1:24] <KiltedPi> MLPQ?
[1:25] <Viper-7> the package of that chip
[1:26] <Viper-7> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Ic-package-MLP-28L.svg
[1:26] <Viper-7> it looks like that
[1:26] <Viper-7> no leads / pins, just surface mount pads
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[1:26] <plugwash> you can probablly solder it with solder paste and either hot air or a hotplate
[1:26] <KiltedPi> I found a 'breakout board' for a lightning detector IC
[1:27] <KiltedPi> I can solder-
[1:27] <KiltedPi> The problem is understanding what they claim " The IC has support for both SPI or I2C bus making integration with your design nice and easy."
[1:27] <Viper-7> KiltedPi: you cant do this with a regular iron, the pads are on the bottom of the chip
[1:27] <KiltedPi> I don't know how to do that
[1:27] <Viper-7> KiltedPi: it means you can use either I2C or SPI
[1:28] <KiltedPi> I don't know how to use l2C or SPI :(
[1:28] <Viper-7> if you run the chip off 3.3V, which it will be happy with, its as easy as can be
[1:28] <KiltedPi> They are data protocols?
[1:29] <Viper-7> yes, they define the hardware interface required in your uC and how things are to be wired up
[1:29] <KiltedPi> roger that.
[1:29] <KiltedPi> I can't find much support on the forums for that-
[1:29] <Viper-7> i`d probably go for I2C, just because its a simpler connection
[1:29] <KiltedPi> Like, these are the GPIO pins
[1:29] <Viper-7> GPIO 0 and GPIO 1 are the I2C pins, SDA and SCL
[1:29] <KiltedPi> kk, i'll commit to l2C
[1:30] <KiltedPi> Roger that then.
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[1:30] <KiltedPi> Its as simple as hooking em up?
[1:30] <KiltedPi> Maybe a pull-up resistor
[1:30] <Viper-7> the pi has internal pull-ups on those pins
[1:30] <KiltedPi> it says
[1:30] <Viper-7> so yep, easy as can be
[1:30] <KiltedPi> Niiiiiiceeeee
[1:30] <KiltedPi> Okay-
[1:30] <KiltedPi> Pins out/in sorter
[1:30] <KiltedPi> sorted*
[1:30] <KiltedPi> Where does the data 'go'??
[1:31] <KiltedPi> It says into a register-
[1:31] <KiltedPi> So,- I guess my question is no longer an interfacing problem. More software
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[1:32] <KiltedPi> I get a free lightning 'creator'
[1:32] <KiltedPi> liek an emulator- with this circuit
[1:32] <KiltedPi> So I can simulate a lightning strike, for testing purposes
[1:33] <pksato> discrete eletronics lightning detector http://www.techlib.com/electronics/lightning.html
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[1:34] <KiltedPi> Ah! Thanks pksato!
[1:34] <KiltedPi> I'm going with this one tho: https://tindie.com/shops/TAUTIC/as3935-lightning-sensor-board/
[1:34] <KiltedPi> it has l2C and SPI
[1:34] <KiltedPi> And is pretty cheap-
[1:34] <KiltedPi> I was going to solder my own
[1:34] <Viper-7> KiltedPi: edit /etc/modprobe.d/raspi-blacklist.conf, comment out the blacklist i2c-bcm2708 line by adding a # to the start
[1:34] <Viper-7> edit /etc/modules and add a line to the end of just `i2c-dev` (no quotes)
[1:35] <KiltedPi> Whats that do then Viper?
[1:35] <Viper-7> reboot and i2c is now active on your pi
[1:35] <KiltedPi> BASH for what?
[1:35] <KiltedPi> AH!
[1:35] <KiltedPi> That will help too! This is great!
[1:35] <KiltedPi> Viper for op to be honest!!!
[1:35] <Viper-7> you can then run i2cdetect to see what I2C slaves are available on the bus
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[1:35] <KiltedPi> I'd like to use python
[1:36] <KiltedPi> with this-
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[1:36] <Viper-7> yup, all good
[1:36] <KiltedPi> So, its a case of a 'bit of reading' on the datasheet, to see what kind of format and stuff the data I'm getting is,-
[1:36] <KiltedPi> And then I can customise it in python?
[1:37] <KiltedPi> :))))
[1:37] <KiltedPi> this makes me happy
[1:37] <Viper-7> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-4-gpio-setup/configuring-i2c
[1:37] <Viper-7> that guide is probably a better reference than this conversation ;)
[1:37] <Viper-7> most of those examples it links at the top are even in python :P
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[1:38] <KiltedPi> this is all great stuff
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[1:41] <KiltedPi> Viper: question about that "sudo i2cdetect -y 1"
[1:42] <KiltedPi> I'm getting hungry for learning now
[1:42] <KiltedPi> Thats like a register, with hex values-
[1:42] <KiltedPi> And it stores data sent by l2C?
[1:44] <pksato> It is a device address.
[1:45] <KiltedPi> sorta like lsusb is for USB?
[1:45] <Matt> I appear to have started watching Wargames :)
[1:46] <pksato> no. more complicate.
[1:46] <KiltedPi> Would you like to play a game, Matt?
[1:46] <Matt> let's play global thermonuclear war
[1:46] <chod> i have a MCP23s17 on gpio any one got that far ?
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[1:51] <Viper-7> KiltedPi: no, I2C is a little more managed of a protocol. its set up for up to 127 slave devices per bus, each with its own address (actually two, one for reading, one for writing)
[1:51] <Viper-7> i2cdetect displays a table of all the possible device IDs, and tells you which ones were actually found
[1:54] <tdy_> is it possible to connect multiple i2c sensors on the pi w/o an expansion board?
[1:54] <chod> yes i believe so
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[1:54] <SpeedEvil> yes
[1:54] <SpeedEvil> i2c is a shared bus
[1:55] <tdy_> i just don't get how the connections work.. i can just connect multiple devices to the same SDA/SCL pins?
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> you can connect more than one sensor with different addresses together
[1:55] <Matt> it's a SpeedEvil :)
[1:55] <pksato> most i2c device have few address to choose.
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> basically, yes
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> with limits due to cable length and stuff
[1:56] <chod> tdy, i have two chips on that bus
[1:56] <tdy_> did you directly solder? or are there like stacking connectors
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> once you exceed maybe a meter of cable total, things get annoying
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[1:56] <SpeedEvil> any means of connection works
[1:56] <chod> an addon board with two on the bus (also stacking)
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> soldering, welding, ...
[1:57] <chod> hammering, mashing
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[2:00] <chod> got a load of code from www.erik-bartmann.de
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[2:01] <b3nt0> hello
[2:01] <chod> hello there
[2:02] <b3nt0> hi, just testing ircii on rapsberry pi
[2:02] <b3nt0> :D
[2:02] <chod> client?
[2:02] <b3nt0> ya
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[2:02] * chod is also on teh pi
[2:02] <b3nt0> be honest was testing all the command line utils
[2:02] <chod> irssi via tmux
[2:03] <b3nt0> tmux?
[2:03] <chod> install it
[2:03] <chod> 1920x1080 split into 4
[2:03] <chod> 4 terminals
[2:03] <b3nt0> oh cool
[2:03] <chod> two other boxes via ssh
[2:03] <b3nt0> probably a good idea
[2:03] <chod> this irc and some code on gpio
[2:04] <b3nt0> oh i see so you got 4 boxes
[2:04] <chod> erm
[2:04] <chod> more
[2:04] <b3nt0> oh just 4 ssh opened
[2:04] <b3nt0> lol..
[2:04] <chod> tmux
[2:04] <b3nt0> got a single pi
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[2:04] <chod> splits up a terminal
[2:04] <chod> install it and plat
[2:04] <chod> doh
[2:04] <chod> play
[2:04] <chod> then do what u like from each
[2:04] <b3nt0> installing on the other terminal window
[2:05] <chod> depending on how much u split it up
[2:05] <chod> ctrl b shift 5
[2:05] <b3nt0> mmh got it opened lets see what else i can do
[2:05] <chod> ctrl b shift 2
[2:05] <chod> vertical and horizzontal split
[2:06] <chod> ctrl b o move cursor
[2:06] <chod> or 'focus'
[2:06] <b3nt0> how do you split it up
[2:06] <Twist-> b3nt0: just google up an introductory tutorial.. tmux is ridiculously powerful.
[2:06] <b3nt0> i got 1 opeded at the moment
[2:07] <b3nt0> mmmh okay let me start xwindows
[2:07] <chod> read scrol back
[2:07] <chod> ctrl b o move cursor
[2:07] <chod> ctrl b shift 2
[2:07] <chod> ctrl b shift 5
[2:07] <tdy_> someday when i have more time (i.e. never) i'll drop screen and learn tmux
[2:07] <chod> there is so much more
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[2:07] * chod still learning
[2:08] <Twist-> tdy_: many of the keyboard commands are the same, save for leading with ctrl-b insteadof a
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[2:08] <b3nt0> do i have to open tmux twice?
[2:08] <tdy_> well actually i should rephrase
[2:08] <b3nt0> for this to work
[2:08] <chod> b3nt0: no
[2:08] <tdy_> it's more about configuration i guess
[2:08] <chod> but you can
[2:09] <chod> i keep meaning to script a setup
[2:09] <b3nt0> mmmh
[2:10] <tdy_> if i lost my screenrc at this point, i'd have no clue how to get my statusbar back to the way i like
[2:10] <tdy_> spent forever configuring it a long time ago and haven't touched it since
[2:10] <chod> i do like screen
[2:11] <tdy_> and at this point it just looks like a huge line of incomprehensible symbols
[2:11] <chod> not figured what i can do from tmux compared to screen
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[2:12] <b3nt0> sec brb
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[2:13] <Twist-> chod: you can google up "tmux vs screen" and find decent articles
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[2:14] <chod> thx]
[2:14] <chod> its just rembering
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[2:16] <b3nt0> test
[2:16] <b3nt0> :D
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[2:18] <b3nt0> mmmh how do you use the crt b + m-1 ?
[2:19] <chod> m1
[2:19] <chod> erm
[2:19] <chod> dunnpw
[2:19] <chod> bfn
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[2:24] <b3nt0> space seems to do it
[2:24] <b3nt0> :#
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[2:27] <b3nt0> anyone know, if there is if any graphical terminal web browser?
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[2:29] <ShiftPlusOne> graphical in what way?
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[2:29] <b3nt0> like... basic web browser with images, and some java script but for terminal. I been using lynx and some others but its all text base
[2:30] <ShiftPlusOne> I think links has a graphical mode, but I don't know about js
[2:30] <pksato> links
[2:30] <b3nt0> mmmh let me try
[2:31] <ShiftPlusOne> wikipedia says no javascript support in links
[2:31] <pksato> but, is not text console. need a framebuffer.
[2:32] <b3nt0> mmmh let me try links
[2:32] <b3nt0> links2 crashed
[2:33] <ShiftPlusOne> there's also w3m
[2:33] <ShiftPlusOne> but same deal, no js
[2:34] <b3nt0> I am just trying to do basic googling really
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[2:34] <tdy_> honestly, i suggest dwb or luakit
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[2:35] <tdy_> elinks, w3m, et al just aren't worth it..
[2:35] <b3nt0> what would you suggest, load xwindows to do web browsing?
[2:36] <crazedpsyc> hey, is there any way to disable the audio power saving? snd_bcm2835 appears to only have one unrelated option
[2:36] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[2:38] <Viper-7> crazedpsyc: you mean the analog jack turning on and off?
[2:39] <crazedpsyc> yes
[2:42] <b3nt0> is there a way to do something like apt-get list
[2:43] <Viper-7> thats not a power saving feature, its cost cutting.
[2:44] <crazedpsyc> oh? behaves basically the same as the power_save in snd_hda_intel, so I assumed. The question stands though, can it be disabled?
[2:45] <Viper-7> nope, the audio output is simple PWM, the noise you hear is when the drivers come off high-Z mode
[2:45] <b3nt0> another dumb question, is there a way to display a help file but only what fits on the screen?
[2:46] <crazedpsyc> ah. too bad
[2:46] <Viper-7> the only way to stop it clicking on and off would be to keep it constantly live
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[2:46] <Viper-7> for which you might be able to use MPD, Jack, etc
[2:46] <crazedpsyc> yeah, I've seen people suggesting pulse to do that... *shiver*
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[2:52] <plugwash> It may also be possible to "fade on" the pwm, it would mean a slight delay in audio startup but it could reduce the click considerblly
[2:52] <b3nt0> exit
[2:53] <Viper-7> plugwash: pulsing from hi-Z to what? vss? i cant see that reducing noise, just creating a bunch :P
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[2:56] <plugwash> with the PWM disabled the average voltage delivered to the output capacitors is 0, with the PWM enabled the average voltage delivered to the output capacitors is 2.5V
[2:57] <Viper-7> plugwash: no, with the PWM disabled the pins are in high impedance, input mode
[2:57] <Viper-7> there is no bias applied, they`re floating
[2:57] <Viper-7> which is what makes the clear and defined *click* when you turn it on
[2:57] <Viper-7> the sudden change from whatever voltage it had floated to, back to 0V
[2:57] <plugwash> sorry with PWM enabled at 50% duty cycle the average voltage delivered to the output capacitors is 1.65V (I keep forgetting this is a 3.3V system)
[2:58] <plugwash> NO
[2:59] <plugwash> actually I misread the schematic 1.65V is wrong too but the point remains, with the PWM lines at high impedance the average voltage delivered to the output capacitors will be zero thanks to R20 and R26
[3:00] <Opinie> you guys science, don't you?
[3:00] <plugwash> while with the PWM running at 50% duty cycle (as I presume it is doing when the audio is active but there is no sound output) the voltage will be considerablly more than zero
[3:01] <Viper-7> plugwash: except for the decoupling capacitor after those, which basically puts you back to hi-Z for DC signals, and the rectifier network at the end, allowing at least 2x diodes drop of free play
[3:02] <plugwash> the "fix" is rather than immediately powering on the PWM at 50% duty cycle to start it at 0% duty cycle and slowly ramp up to 50% duty cycle (do it slow enough and you will keep most of the energy out of the human hearing range)
[3:03] <plugwash> the output capacitors will block "DC" currents but they won't block the step change at thier inputs that comes when the PWM starts up suddenly which is what causes the click
[3:03] <Viper-7> plugwash: theres nothing keeping the outputs within a volt of 0
[3:03] <plugwash> True but irrelevent
[3:03] <Viper-7> plugwash: the outputs should never be 0V, thanks to the diodes
[3:04] <plugwash> those diodes are actually another design flaw
[3:04] <Viper-7> it`ll always be at most a forward diode drop away from center
[3:04] <Viper-7> yup heh
[3:04] <plugwash> but they aren't the cause of the startup click
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[3:06] <pi___> .
[3:06] <plugwash> no the diodes are going to the power rails so to forward bias them the output will have to go outside the range of approximately -0.7 to 4V
[3:06] <pi___> what did you guys say was a good irc client for cli?
[3:07] <Scriven> pi___, irssi
[3:07] <Scriven> but it's all personal opinion.
[3:07] <pi___> k brb
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[3:07] <plugwash> Still it's going to do pretty horrible things to larger audio signals, the dioes should really be placed before the output caps
[3:07] <pi___> well can't even change my name with epic5
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[3:07] <plugwash> but that is unreleated to the startup click, the startup click is caused by the sudden change in voltage at the input to the output capacitors
[3:08] <plugwash> and that is something that CAN be reduced considerablly in software
[3:08] <plugwash> (though at the cost of a startup delay)
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[3:19] <wowpin> everyones asleep I can see :)
[3:19] <wowpin> sleep well
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[3:20] <b3nt0> hello :D
[3:20] <wowpin> hello
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[3:21] <b3nt0> anyone familiar with irssi and how to save a config?
[3:21] <masafumi_ohta> hello
[3:21] <Scriven> b3nt0, /save I think.
[3:21] <Scriven> i'm just learning it myself (no not the client I'm currently using)
[3:21] <b3nt0> so if its saved, I should come back to this channel with this user name?
[3:22] <b3nt0> or no?
[3:22] <Scriven> theoretically, yes. Assuming someone doesn't take it in the mean time.
[3:22] <b3nt0> lol..
[3:22] <b3nt0> lets find out
[3:22] <Scriven> you could /save, then quit and load the config file to check.
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[3:22] <SpeedEvil> register the nick
[3:22] <Scriven> or just quit and test it that way. lol!
[3:22] <Scriven> SpeedEvil, that too.
[3:23] <wowpin> why would one not register with NickServ?
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[3:23] <chithead> because one might not want to have an account everywhere
[3:23] <tdy_> he might be new to irc completely and isn't aware of what that is
[3:23] <pi___> :# did not work
[3:24] <wowpin> chithead: good point actually..
[3:24] <Scriven> pi___, I tried to say after you left, you can just look at the config file to make sure it's setup the way you want. It's just a text file.
[3:24] <pi___> ya
[3:24] <pi___> :#
[3:24] <pi___> i need to change the user name
[3:24] <Scriven> .irssi/config is it's name.
[3:25] <tdy_> <3 weechat and /iset
[3:25] <Scriven> it's called "nick" in the "Settings" section, at least in mine.
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[3:25] <pi___> where is it suppose to be located?
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[3:26] <Scriven> /home/<username>/.irssi/config
[3:26] <tdy_> most likely either ~/.config/irssi or ~/.irssi/config
[3:27] <pi___> whats the tilde for?
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[3:28] <tdy_> shorthand for /home/<username>
[3:29] <Scriven> pi___, it sounds like you should read some beginner linux or beginner command-line stuff too.
[3:30] <pi___> the tilde home directory basicly?
[3:30] <Scriven> no, your user home directory.
[3:30] <Scriven> ~ is a shortcut, so you don't have to type /home/pi every time
[3:30] <pi___> fun
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[3:31] <Scriven> certainly!
[3:31] <pi___> one sec
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[3:32] <b3nt0> back :#
[3:33] <Scriven> There's lots of results for 'linux basics' in google FYI, some specific to different distributions. The most relevant one for raspbian is the debian version.
[3:34] <Scriven> Was that automatic this time b3nt0 ?
[3:35] <b3nt0> well between tmux and bittorrentcurses and omxplayer I am set
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[3:36] <b3nt0> Scriven, apprecite the help
[3:37] <Scriven> you're certainly welcome! Glad to do it.
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[3:40] <Scriven> I'm just learning the weirdness of irssi myself, after years of X-only. Not sure I want to try running X on a 256MB pi!
[3:40] <b3nt0> i got a 512 model b, xwindows is very laggy takes up everything
[3:40] <b3nt0> I am almost isolating the use ssh only soon
[3:41] <tdy_> i dunno.. it's not really meant to be used for a full desktop experience
[3:41] <b3nt0> well :# i don't know it works full desktop just feel things don't seem to at all
[3:42] <b3nt0> gonna attempt to install firefox lol..
[3:42] <masafumi_ohta> I have both 512m and 256m but laggy using Desktop.
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[3:44] <SpeedEvil> Firefox 1.5 works well with 256m
[3:44] <tdy_> it's just strange that a few minutes ago, you only wanted to use links...
[3:44] <masafumi_ohta> oh really? I will try
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[3:45] <tdy_> for me, dwb/luakit makes for a good compromise between w3m/elinks and firefox
[3:45] <Scriven> dwb/luakit, never heard of them, thanks! :D
[3:46] <tdy_> they're vim-based, so emacs users might hate it..
[3:46] <Scriven> SIX FOREVER! lol ;)
[3:46] <Scriven> Not into holy wars, but never could grok emacs.
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[3:47] <malcom2073> Have you ever heard someone use grok in verbal conversation? It's pretty funny :)
[3:47] <Scriven> er, I've done it. ;p
[3:47] <malcom2073> The funnier thing, is when they're talking with people who don't knoiw what it means
[3:48] <Scriven> love that word. :) Yeah, that makes it interesting for sure!
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[4:21] <b3nt0> anyone know a good way to use wget to grab the swf playing on youtube?
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[4:27] <A124> b3nt0: Grab a swf? Why would you want a swf?
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[4:28] <b3nt0> A124: prteety much just grab the video doesnt have to be swf
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[4:28] <A124> It's flv/webm/mp4
[4:28] <A124> And you can use 'youtube-dl' http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/
[4:29] <A124> What you need is python.. which is pretty standard
[4:29] <A124> Anything else to help with?
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[4:30] <b3nt0> A124, just got to read on how to use the youtube-dl
[4:31] <b3nt0> A124: i am way nub with the cli on linux
[4:31] <A124> youtube-dl (link to youtube video)
[4:31] <b3nt0> so like wget youtube-dl http://youtube/someyoutube vid
[4:31] <A124> b3nt0: After installing just type "youtube-dl -h" There is all you need
[4:32] <b3nt0> surprsing enough youtube-dl is under apt-get in rasphiaz
[4:32] <A124> b3nt0: I'm using cli right now btw.
[4:33] <A124> b3nt0: Oh.. yes.. it was implemented .. some time ago as simple but useful script. You are right
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[4:33] <xiambax> /join #piratebox
[4:33] <A124> For?
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[4:34] <b3nt0> A124: is there a way to do -h but step threw it?
[4:34] <b3nt0> so it doesnt tak all of the command line
[4:34] <b3nt0> and floods
[4:34] <A124> youtube-dl -h | more
[4:34] <A124> or:
[4:35] <A124> youtube-dl -h | less
[4:35] <b3nt0> lol.. my cli can't find the pipe
[4:35] <A124> Do you have Pi with ethernet,
[4:36] <A124> *?
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[4:36] <b3nt0> ya
[4:36] <A124> Are you using it?
[4:36] <b3nt0> ya
[4:36] <A124> Then I recommend using SSH
[4:36] <b3nt0> probably true
[4:37] <b3nt0> original idea was just ssh in and run stuff on it... running it as a pc is prooving very difficult
[4:37] <b3nt0> here and there
[4:37] <b3nt0> how would you set keyboard to a certain standard
[4:38] <A124> Everything is hard before it is easy???
[4:38] <A124> ??? Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
[4:38] <b3nt0> oh ya, already using tmux like... and lynx for some quick web browsing
[4:39] <b3nt0> just down to last leg i think before i can make little scripts
[4:39] <A124> I'm now messagin you on Pi in cli. sudo nano /etc/default/keyboard
[4:40] <A124> If you know what to do.. or:
[4:40] <A124> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[4:40] <A124> Then reboot
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[4:40] <b3nt0> i see
[4:40] <A124> One is for keyboard other for locale
[4:41] <b3nt0> ya gonna reset local
[4:41] <b3nt0> the keyboard i dont know the code for it
[4:41] <b3nt0> unless you know american us
[4:42] <fr0g911> anyone good with unrealircd
[4:42] <b3nt0> brb A124
[4:42] <b3nt0> exit
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[4:44] <Scriven> isn't the code for us just us?
[4:45] <Scriven> I guess I should wait until he comes back.
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[4:45] <Scriven> A124, does youtube-dl work again??
[4:46] <b3nt0> A124: :# locales did no work
[4:46] <Scriven> b3nt0, standard layout is "US", regular model is "PC105"
[4:46] <b3nt0> thanks
[4:46] <Scriven> er, "us" may be better (lower case), as that's what's in the file for my pi.
[4:46] <A124> Scriven: again? I never had problems.. oh wait.. once a few days
[4:46] <b3nt0> where was it located again /etc/keyboard ?
[4:46] <Scriven> A124, I had it work for a while, then fail every time since.
[4:46] <Scriven> /etc/default/keyboard b3nt0
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[4:47] <Scriven> and did you read any of the linux beginner stuff I recommended earlier? ;)
[4:48] <b3nt0> Scriven: lol.. not yet
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[4:48] <Scriven> b3nt0, no worries, it's more fun to play than read, i understand. But DO read them, it'll help a lot.
[4:48] <Dayofswords> you guys know what the command is to get that intial setup screen?
[4:48] <b3nt0> Scriven: I will though, when i get home.. right now I have no real 2nd pc or monitor to read
[4:49] <b3nt0> btw is there a init.d keyboard restart?
[4:49] <b3nt0> even though pi restarts incredibly fast...
[4:49] <b3nt0> sec reboot again
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[4:50] <Scriven> Dayofswords, raspi-config? let me check.
[4:50] <Scriven> yeah, raspi-config I think.
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[4:51] <Scriven> Dayofswords, but it depends on which part you want to configure, there's also: sudo dpkg-reconfigure <packagename>
[4:51] <Scriven> which is a debianism.
[4:51] <Scriven> and this is presuming you're using raspian of course.
[4:52] <Dayofswords> raspi-config is probably it, and yes raspbian
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[4:52] <b3nt0> omg... my keyboard works now
[4:52] <b3nt0> I had already memorized the weirdness
[4:52] <b3nt0> :\
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[4:53] <b3nt0> thank you guy
[4:53] <Scriven> yay!
[4:53] <Scriven> Next up: Dvorak layout! ;)
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[4:55] <b3nt0> oh jesus
[4:55] <Scriven> lol! just jokingg btw. ;)
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[4:55] <b3nt0> messed up my windows
[4:55] <b3nt0> dvorak ?
[4:55] <Scriven> Google that one. ;) different keyboard layout from the traditional Qwerty.
[4:55] <A124> dvorak is alternative layout
[4:55] <Scriven> Back from the mechanical keyboard days.
[4:55] <fr0g911> what else fun stuff can i do with the pie besides xbmc irc server eggdrops ftpd nas server and bnc
[4:55] <Scriven> er, mechanical typewriter days.
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[4:56] <b3nt0> lol
[4:56] <A124> But.. For English and speed writing there is better than dvorak
[4:56] <Scriven> fr0g911, i'm trying to turn mine into a cellphone.
[4:56] <fr0g911> wow nice
[4:56] <Scriven> A124, the chording keyboards are reportedly MUCH faster.
[4:56] <fr0g911> mines doing so much right now
[4:56] <Scriven> I can't find the necessary dongle for Canada tho. :(( I can find european ones EASY, kinda upsetting me.
[4:56] <fr0g911> keep me upto date with that Scriven
[4:57] <fr0g911> that sounds fun
[4:57] <Scriven> I'm running one as raspbmc box (comparing it with a hacked Wii running WiiMC), the other is battery powered with wifi/bluetooth, but not yet cellphone.
[4:57] <Scriven> fr0g911, I'll certainly try. ;)
[4:57] <b3nt0> well i have to go
[4:57] <b3nt0> thanks alot guys be back in a few
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[4:58] <fr0g911> i have a pi running in my car hooked up to a foscam ipcamera running a wifi router so i can see whats going on by my car from my cellphone while im at work
[4:59] <fr0g911> but i really wanna get the pie running off battery how would i go about that
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[5:01] <Scriven> fr0g911, i can tell you how I did it if you like. ;)
[5:01] <Scriven> I'm using RC Vehicle parts.
[5:01] <Scriven> and bought a crimper for other projects. ;)
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[5:02] <Scriven> Battery plugged into what the RC folks call a BEC (Battery Elimination Circuit). These days it's just a switching voltage regulator, but they've kept the old name.
[5:02] <Scriven> i'm using a Castle Creations CCBEC, set to 5.2V. Wired into a splitter to power the pi and an external USB hub.
[5:03] <Scriven> But basically all you need is a voltage regulator wired to microusb, with your battery on the other side.
[5:04] <fr0g911> nice
[5:04] <fr0g911> whats the life on that lol
[5:04] <Scriven> Depends on the battery. Can handle 6S lipo! ;)
[5:05] <fr0g911> litheon battery
[5:05] <Scriven> My current test setup is an old NiMH battery, works for long enough for now. When I get more bits working I'll plug in a lipo and run more tests.
[5:05] <Scriven> yes. lithium Ion.
[5:05] <Scriven> as opposed to the LiFe, they'll work too tho.
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[5:07] <fr0g911> lol
[5:08] <Scriven> I also modded a 5V 2A power supply with a servo connector (same 3 pin as servos and other RC electronics), for a 'bench' setup. ;)
[5:08] <Scriven> i should take pictures really. lol
[5:08] <fr0g911> so my pi is hooked into the service port of my tv powering it running xbmc then my ipad is hooked upto it powering it running my foscams then its also powering my toshiba touch screen
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[5:09] <fr0g911> yea that sounds pretty nice
[5:09] <fr0g911> but one thing my pi doesnt do...
[5:09] <Scriven> make toast?
[5:09] <fr0g911> i put a pizza in the oven and forgot about it messing around with the pi now my pizza pie is burnt
[5:09] <fr0g911> damn you pi!!!
[5:10] <fr0g911> that should be on there website
[5:10] <fr0g911> lol
[5:10] <Scriven> LOL! Need to add an alarm, or a sensor in the stove. ;)
[5:10] <Scriven> That's not the pi's fault, you just need more sensors. :P
[5:10] <fr0g911> i had one
[5:10] <fr0g911> rofl
[5:10] <fr0g911> i was upstairs
[5:11] <Scriven> I DID see i2c smoke detectors during my searching BTW. no joke. ;)
[5:11] <fr0g911> lol
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[5:12] <Scriven> So there you go fr0g911, project #2: Smart Pi Oven!
[5:12] <fr0g911> where can i get a pi from like right now and not waiting and not paying over priced
[5:12] <fr0g911> smart pi oven
[5:12] <fr0g911> lol
[5:12] <fr0g911> hahahahaha
[5:12] <Scriven> lol, impossible. Good|fast|cheap pick two.
[5:12] <Scriven> Can't get "right now" and "not overpriced", at least not around me. lol!
[5:13] <fr0g911> rofl
[5:13] <piney> Scriven, so true
[5:13] <Scriven> here in Vancouver, BC, Canada area, can buy one OTC, but it's $50 plus taxes.
[5:13] <Scriven> or you can order (and pay shipping), and wait.
[5:13] <fr0g911> i hate paying 15$ shipping
[5:13] <Scriven> piney, sadly. :(
[5:13] <Scriven> fr0g911, order enough that shipping is free! ;)
[5:13] <SixtyFold> fr0g911 - where do you live?
[5:13] <fr0g911> lol
[5:14] <fr0g911> texas
[5:14] <SixtyFold> amazon
[5:14] <Scriven> That's my solution fr0g911
[5:14] <SixtyFold> youll pay 2 dollars more than newark now
[5:14] <fr0g911> yea i got one from amazon
[5:14] <Scriven> Amazon doesn't count as overpriced?...
[5:14] <SixtyFold> i got rPi from amazon for 45 bux even
[5:14] <Scriven> Hey, only $2 more? that's a great deal. Does it get free shipping SixtyFold ?
[5:14] <SixtyFold> free two day shipping
[5:14] <fr0g911> it was like 50
[5:14] <piney> newark.com has free shipping with orders over $100 with a coupon
[5:14] <fr0g911> shipping is free with amazon prime
[5:15] <SixtyFold> which i happen to have
[5:15] <fr0g911> yea but out of stock piney
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[5:15] <fr0g911> yea
[5:15] <piney> ahh
[5:15] <fr0g911> $46.98
[5:15] <fr0g911> free shipping
[5:15] <SixtyFold> weeeee
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[5:15] <fr0g911> i got one from there
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[5:16] <fr0g911> and got it in like 2days
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[5:16] <Scriven> I had to wait 4+ months for mine! After 3 months waiting to order!
[5:16] <fr0g911> Yes, I want FREE Two-Day
[5:16] <fr0g911> Shipping with Amazon Prime
[5:16] <Scriven> BUT, there was one bright point... I hit a sweet spot where they'd let me order as many as I wanted, so I got 3. lol!
[5:17] <fr0g911> lol
[5:17] <fr0g911> the owners kid called me the first day i ordered from newhawk
[5:17] <fr0g911> she was like my dad wants you to change your username
[5:17] <fr0g911> he doesnt like it
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[5:18] <fr0g911> it was poohbear
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[5:18] <fr0g911> they made me change it
[5:18] <SixtyFold> wow
[5:18] <Scriven> huh?? poohbear? What's wrong with that??
[5:18] <SixtyFold> he must hate honey
[5:18] <SixtyFold> hahahaha
[5:18] <fr0g911> lol
[5:18] <Scriven> man, some of us Canadians would be upset... pooh was a Canadian bear man!
[5:18] <fr0g911> hes kid she was laughing
[5:18] <Scriven> point daddy to wikipedia and keep the username. ;)
[5:18] <fr0g911> his*
[5:19] <fr0g911> yea but they did give me free shipping on my 3 pi's
[5:19] <SixtyFold> umm
[5:19] <SixtyFold> that's because that'd be 105 dollars anyhow
[5:19] <SixtyFold> :P
[5:19] <Scriven> DOOH!
[5:20] <fr0g911> i only paid 90 for some reason
[5:20] <fr0g911> but i sold one for 250
[5:20] <Scriven> the kid did you a solid behind the scenes. ;)
[5:20] <Scriven> WHAT?
[5:20] <fr0g911> yea
[5:20] <SixtyFold> who the hell paid you 250 for a rPi?
[5:20] <fr0g911> as xbmc server
[5:20] <Scriven> I've been wondering what to do with my last Rev 1 256MB... would certainly sell it for that! lol
[5:20] <fr0g911> just do a demo and bam
[5:21] <fr0g911> yea get a cheap case
[5:21] <fr0g911> put all the repos on it
[5:21] <SixtyFold> and find a moron
[5:21] <fr0g911> make sure the person has a samsung tv
[5:21] <fr0g911> and pawn it off
[5:21] <fr0g911> lol
[5:21] <Scriven> lol!
[5:21] <Scriven> MUAHAHAHAHA!
[5:21] <fr0g911> i sold one for my work too
[5:21] <fr0g911> its about to go into 11 stores
[5:21] <fr0g911> as a advertising box
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[5:22] <fr0g911> just plays pics off the usb drive
[5:22] <fr0g911> they supple
[5:22] <fr0g911> selling them for 190
[5:22] <fr0g911> each store needs 2
[5:22] <A124> ....
[5:22] <A124> Only in America
[5:22] <Scriven> that's nutty.
[5:23] <fr0g911> put a sdcard 3gb i got for 2.50cents from bestbuy
[5:23] <Scriven> licence to print money!
[5:23] <fr0g911> lol
[5:23] <A124> Here they would rather usw Windows and computers.. or do it themselves (not probably :D)
[5:23] <fr0g911> people are dumb here in texas
[5:24] <Xark> fr0g911: Maybe you can put an Apple sticker on it and double the price yet again. :)
[5:24] <fr0g911> rofl
[5:24] <SixtyFold> for a computer from 1999
[5:24] <fr0g911> i have 2 apple tv's
[5:24] <SixtyFold> hahahahh
[5:24] <fr0g911> and man
[5:24] <fr0g911> the pi blows them away
[5:24] <fr0g911> even with the upgraded video card
[5:24] <fr0g911> and hd
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[5:24] <Scriven> Xark, ftw!!! lol
[5:25] <fr0g911> you got any extra stickers Xark
[5:25] <fr0g911> lol
[5:25] <Xark> fr0g911: Hehe, I do in fact (even old "rainbow" ones from Apple II). :)
[5:25] <fr0g911> lol
[5:26] <fr0g911> wait rainbow pi!! thats a seller $500
[5:26] <fr0g911> lol
[5:26] <Xark> fr0g911: Didn't you get some white ones with your Apple TVs?
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[5:26] * Xark notes some where included with his MacBook...
[5:26] <fr0g911> no my brother gave me them he runs a mod shop and has lots and lots of them
[5:26] <Scriven> Xark, you have rainbow apple 2 stickers??
[5:27] <SixtyFold> i have an iPad, i have some mac stickers somwhere here i could put on my rPi
[5:27] <SixtyFold> lol
[5:27] <Scriven> They'd go so nice on my apple 2's!
[5:27] <Scriven> ;)
[5:27] <fr0g911> lol
[5:27] <Xark> Scriven: Yep. I have several I believe.
[5:28] <Xark> Scriven: Sadly, I binned my Apple //e a few years ago (moved into a small place, then back into big house and now regret it).
[5:28] <fr0g911> rpad copyright 2013-2050
[5:28] <Scriven> Xark, I have a growing collection. 2+ clone (made by my uncle, our 1st computer, still works), 2e, 2c, 2gs. missing an original 2, and a 1 of course. ;)
[5:29] <Xark> Scriven: Yeah, I had a rainbow apple sticker on my Apple. :)
[5:29] <Scriven> AFAIK all still work. 2+ even has our original Hayes 300 baud modem!
[5:29] <A124> Btw: Any ideas how to get better image on TV out?
[5:29] <Scriven> Screaming modem for 1985 man.
[5:29] <Scriven> A124, use hdmi? ;)
[5:29] <Xark> Scriven: Very cool. I still have about a half dozen "classic" systems, but I had to ditch another six or so (that didn't seem too rare - C64's etc.).
[5:29] <A124> *facepalm*
[5:30] <Scriven> i don't think it's possible to change RCA resolution, is it?
[5:30] <Xark> Scriven: Is your Hayes an external model?
[5:30] <Scriven> internal.
[5:30] <A124> The thing is.. The view is unproportional and distorted.. is that normal?
[5:30] <Scriven> "in #2" to initialize. Applesoft basic FTW!
[5:30] <SixtyFold> Hayes xD
[5:30] <SixtyFold> i almost forgot about Hayes
[5:30] <Xark> Scriven: Ok. I believe my aunt had one from when they were brand new (and it had a card that connected to an external black box).
[5:30] <Scriven> A124, you can adjust the screen overlay in one of the settings screens, had to do that recently too.
[5:31] <Scriven> some were like that IIRC, ours was pure internal, plug phone line into back of computer.
[5:31] <A124> Scriven: Have not found it :D
[5:31] <Scriven> SixtyFold, Hayes was the original!
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[5:31] <Scriven> A124, Did this myself yesterday, hang on I'll check IRC logs.
[5:32] <Xark> Scriven: It looked like the one pictured here -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_Microcomputer_Products
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[5:32] <A124> Scriven: config.txt?
[5:32] <Xark> Scriven: I played Adventure at 300 baud for many hours with that (as well as racking up huge BBS phone bills). :)
[5:32] <fr0g911> ok
[5:33] <fr0g911> so ive done the math
[5:33] <Scriven> Xark, Actually, sorry, mine was raspbmc specific! :(
[5:33] <Scriven> er, A124 I mean lol
[5:34] <Xark> :)
[5:34] <fr0g911> adafruit comes to $43.94 shipped amazon is $46.98 but adafruit ships reg mail postal and amazon sends ups 2nd day air
[5:34] <Scriven> Xark, I BBSed more for chat and downloads than games at the time... and was very careful in rural canada to NOT rack up phone bills, lest my rear get beaten.
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[5:35] <A124> I just managed to get the Pi running as it should today :D
[5:35] <Scriven> Xark, Wow, that's cool. i wonder if mine wasn't a real hayes. Next time I'm in Ontario I'll have to dig it up and see (in storage near my parent's house)
[5:35] <Xark> Scriven: Yeah. I used the UCLA mainframe (which was at least a local call). I only racked up the bills *once* (like $250 bill). :)
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[5:36] <b3nt0> yello again :\
[5:36] <Scriven> wb b3nt0
[5:36] <Zhaofeng_Li> b3nt0, hi
[5:36] <b3nt0> I think my pc keyboard + mouse at home take too much power
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[5:36] <Scriven> Xark, I actually met a high school english teacher over the BBS, while I was still in elementary school. Small Town Ontario FTW, my parents were his friends. lol!
[5:36] <Xark> fr0g911: I always get Quantum UPS with Adafruit (but not 2nd day).
[5:37] <b3nt0> the keyboard input started going haywire. So i had to hook up a older keyboard
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[5:37] <Scriven> b3nt0, that's certainly a possibility. especially if you're not using powered USB hub.
[5:37] <b3nt0> yep
[5:37] <Scriven> and a GOOD one at that, i've tried the 2 I have and both are crappy.
[5:37] <Scriven> wifi dongle ONLY worked in plug nearest power even. :((
[5:37] <Scriven> and that 'bug' took me 2 hours to figure out, lol!!
[5:38] <Scriven> and lots of swearing.
[5:38] <fr0g911> hmm quantum ups
[5:38] <fr0g911> never heard of that
[5:38] <fr0g911> about to click place order on amazon
[5:38] * Scriven crosses his fingers for fr0g911 ! ;)
[5:38] <fr0g911> should i do it
[5:39] <Scriven> go for it. ;)
[5:39] <fr0g911> tems: $46.98
[5:39] <fr0g911> Shipping & handling: $0.00
[5:39] <Scriven> do you have some way to power, and all the other 'bits'?
[5:39] <fr0g911> no tax
[5:39] <Scriven> that's the only bummer I can see.
[5:39] <fr0g911> yes heres the funny thing
[5:39] <SixtyFold> ofc no tax hehe
[5:40] <fr0g911> i got alot of 8gb cards for like 3 bucks from bestbuy
[5:40] <fr0g911> and alot of 32gb samsung class 10
[5:40] <fr0g911> cards for 15 bucks
[5:40] <fr0g911> now the power cords
[5:40] <fr0g911> servers at my resterant
[5:40] <fr0g911> leave the android powers there all the time
[5:40] <fr0g911> lol
[5:40] <fr0g911> zoink
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[5:40] <Scriven> lol!
[5:40] <fr0g911> i have like 10 now
[5:41] <piney> fr0g911, mean lol
[5:41] <fr0g911> rofl
[5:41] <Scriven> so I guess that means yes. ;p
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[5:41] <fr0g911> ok im ordering screw it
[5:41] <fr0g911> i'll sell it for 300
[5:41] <fr0g911> put a 32gb sd card in it
[5:41] <fr0g911> and call it a day
[5:42] <Scriven> LOL!
[5:42] <fr0g911> im going to hell
[5:42] <fr0g911> arent i
[5:43] <fr0g911> this is crazy being back on mirc
[5:43] <fr0g911> i quit mirc back in 2003
[5:43] <SixtyFold> i havent left irc since 1995
[5:43] <SixtyFold> hahaha
[5:43] <fr0g911> lol
[5:43] <Scriven> SixtyFold, lol, almost the same here!
[5:43] <fr0g911> lol wow
[5:44] <Scriven> maybe 1997ish for me, i was late.
[5:44] <Scriven> Was on the interewebs in 1992 though...
[5:44] <fr0g911> i was here when dalnet started
[5:44] <SixtyFold> ive spent literally over half my life 'living' on irc
[5:44] <fr0g911> i became an oper
[5:44] * Scriven was part of the September That Never Ended!
[5:44] <fr0g911> then ran 3 networks
[5:44] <Scriven> runnin networks is cool.
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[5:44] <Scriven> have done that a few times too, small private ones. ;)
[5:44] <SixtyFold> yah, i remember when dalnet had > 10,000 users
[5:44] <SixtyFold> hahah
[5:44] <fr0g911> mine were pretty big
[5:44] <fr0g911> absurd-irc
[5:44] <SixtyFold> <
[5:44] <fr0g911> ruined-irc
[5:45] <fr0g911> and some others i can say
[5:45] <fr0g911> lol
[5:45] <SixtyFold> then left dalnet when ddos attacks started in 2000
[5:45] <fr0g911> cant*
[5:45] <fr0g911> yea the ddos started getting real bad
[5:45] <Scriven> fr0g911, the ones you can't say are the best. ;)
[5:45] <SixtyFold> yep, from 2000-20002
[5:45] <fr0g911> i was in helpdesk when that crap started
[5:45] <SixtyFold> 2000-2002*
[5:45] <SixtyFold> non-stop
[5:46] <fr0g911> i remember when our server got hit bad and i was the services admin
[5:46] <Scriven> oops!
[5:46] <Scriven> time for coffee break for a month!
[5:46] <fr0g911> i was linking all kinds of servers up
[5:46] <SixtyFold> i went back to dalnet in 2003? and was there until 2007/2008 and havent been back again
[5:46] <fr0g911> we had a tree of 30 servers
[5:46] <SixtyFold> no more friendly channels there for me
[5:46] <Scriven> Did you get to watch them cascade and fail fr0g911 ?
[5:46] <fr0g911> i was on dalnet the other day
[5:47] <fr0g911> lol Scriven yes
[5:47] <Scriven> wonder if the kids in here can appreciate the collective IRC wisdom! lol!
[5:47] <xiambax> Anyone configure a piratebox yet?
[5:47] <Scriven> hundreds of irc-years here right now!
[5:47] <fr0g911> the masive netsplit of 3000+ users
[5:47] <Scriven> xiambax, there's a website about someone doing it, but I haven't yet no.
[5:47] <fr0g911> locked up my acer computer
[5:47] <fr0g911> lol
[5:47] <Scriven> lol!
[5:47] <xiambax> I set one up, pretty cool.
[5:47] <Scriven> xiambax, was that yours? cool!
[5:47] <xiambax> I just did a whole redesign of the front end too
[5:47] <Scriven> lol, referencing your own site back to you BTW. ;)
[5:47] <SixtyFold> ive been on irc for 17 years
[5:47] <SixtyFold> hahah
[5:48] <xiambax> I was here before the big oftc split
[5:48] <xiambax> what was the network called back then?
[5:49] <fr0g911> ohh i even wrote a big ass irc script that was everywhere i think you can still good search and download it called triad-script
[5:49] <Scriven> i've even heard of that I think!
[5:50] <fr0g911> lol i was working with raidenftpd
[5:50] <fr0g911> at the time
[5:50] <fr0g911> think my nick back then was wonderzone
[5:50] <fr0g911> or xmind
[5:51] <Scriven> cool.
[5:51] <fr0g911> i wrote a 10x better one then that but that was back in the day its all useless now lol
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[5:52] <timmmaaaayyy> i just plugging in a random USB stick....no idea what it's format is. it df -h supposed to see it?
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[5:53] <Scriven> timmmaaaayyy, I'd say so yes.
[5:53] <timmmaaaayyy> hmmmmmm, that's no bueno then
[5:53] <Scriven> unless it's a modem dongle or something, then it may need drivers.
[5:53] <fr0g911> it should
[5:53] <ShiftPlusOne> not until you mount it
[5:53] <Scriven> timmmaaaayyy, lsusb
[5:53] <Scriven> ShiftPlusOne, nah, it should say the detecting filesystem, here's the partition stuff
[5:53] <timmmaaaayyy> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 154b:0041 PNY
[5:53] <fr0g911> yeah your gonna have to mount it first
[5:54] <Scriven> er, sorry df.
[5:54] <Scriven> lol, read that as dmesg lol!!
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[5:54] <Scriven> df will see when mounted, as they said. dmesg should tell you if it's been seen.
[5:54] <Scriven> and if so, what it is.
[5:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Doesn't sound right to me, but I'll take your word for it O_o
[5:54] <ShiftPlusOne> can't check right now
[5:54] <Scriven> ShiftPlusOne, now read what I just wrote, cause you were right. lol! I read "df" as "dmesg".
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[5:55] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, lol
[5:55] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
[5:55] <fr0g911> lol
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[5:55] <timmmaaaayyy> how do i mount it without knowing it's location?
[5:55] <Scriven> timmmaaaayyy, dmesg will tell you it's location if it's been found.
[5:55] <Scriven> as well as fdisk results.
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[5:55] <timmmaaaayyy> oh sweet!
[5:55] <timmmaaaayyy> thank you!
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[5:56] <Scriven> you may want to: dmesg | tail -n 20 or something
[5:56] <Scriven> to give you the last 20 lines, and not the whole log.
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[5:56] <Scriven> OK, I can tell by the position of the sun in the sky that it is time for me to go AFK for the night.
[5:56] <Scriven> extra points who can tell me where I stole that quote from. ;)
[5:56] <fr0g911> how do i mount a internal hard drive thats in a box that has never been opened and is still at the store?
[5:57] <Scriven> none of you kids are old enough I don't think. ;p
[5:57] <Scriven> fr0g911, The Force!
[5:57] <fr0g911> lol
[5:57] <fr0g911> i tryed that
[5:57] <Scriven> Do, or do not, there is no try! :P
[5:57] <Scriven> man, I think that just cost me another grey hair.
[5:57] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[5:57] <fr0g911> E: Unable to locate package force
[5:57] <Scriven> lol!
[5:57] <fr0g911> ?
[5:58] <fr0g911> hhahahaa
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[5:58] <Scriven> ok, night all. It's been fabulous as always. ;) hope to help others tomorrow, assumin I don't get banned for yelling at the ops again.
[5:58] <fr0g911> ok see ya
[5:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Scriven, take care. You can yell at us any time =)
[6:00] <fr0g911> lol
[6:00] <Scriven> <mr.burns>Excellent!</mr.burns>
[6:00] <timmmaaaayyy> my googlefu is failing miserably......i want to make a bootable usb drive using the debian netinstall iso i just downloaded
[6:00] <ShiftPlusOne> for the pi?
[6:01] <timmmaaaayyy> no....i'm doing it on the pi though
[6:02] <ShiftPlusOne> well for starters, you may have noticed that there is no cd drive on the pi. It only boots from sdcard (though the rootfs can be anywhere). But also, the debian netinstall isn't designed for a pi, you'll have a Bad Time taking that approach.
[6:03] <timmmaaaayyy> i'm not going to try booting the pi using this....i'm trying to create this on the pi
[6:03] <fr0g911> hmm
[6:03] <fr0g911> ohh you already have the iso
[6:03] <timmmaaaayyy> yes
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[6:04] <ShiftPlusOne> the iso just contains a kernel and an initramfs, AFAIK
[6:04] <ShiftPlusOne> but you're better off using qemu than a pi
[6:04] <timmmaaaayyy> i just tried regular ol dd.....see if it works
[6:04] <ShiftPlusOne> no, it won't work
[6:04] <fr0g911> yeah its not gonna work
[6:04] <timmmaaaayyy> why not?
[6:04] <timmmaaaayyy> don't answer that....and i dea how i can make it work?
[6:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I think you need to learn a bit about the boot proccess of the pi and also linux in general first
[6:05] <timmmaaaayyy> i did it the way i normally do it on my mac three different times, and my other laptop keeps saying it's corrupt....so i thought i'd try creating the bootable USB on the PI
[6:05] <fr0g911> yeah
[6:05] <fr0g911> the pi runs its own ver of a boot
[6:05] <timmmaaaayyy> i know
[6:06] <timmmaaaayyy> i'm using the pi to create a bootable image for a different computer!
[6:06] <fr0g911> ohhh
[6:06] <fr0g911> lol
[6:06] <timmmaaaayyy> lol
[6:06] <fr0g911> rofl
[6:06] <ShiftPlusOne> timmmaaaayyy, pay attention. You're still using the PI... you are trying to boot the iso ON THE PI.
[6:06] <timmmaaaayyy> lol......no no no. i am NOT ever trying to boot the pi from this usb stick i'm creating
[6:07] <timmmaaaayyy> the pi is not getting rebooted at all
[6:07] <fr0g911> why do you want to us the pi to make a usb boot image for a computer system
[6:07] <fr0g911> do you not have a computer you can make the jumpdrive on
[6:07] <ShiftPlusOne> timmmaaaayyy, is that other computer an ARM or x86/64?
[6:07] <timmmaaaayyy> i need to install debian on a laptop i have......i've tried three times to create it using my mac and it's corrupt each time
[6:08] <timmmaaaayyy> so i thought i'd try creating it on the pi and see if it works better than my mac
[6:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Oh... so you just want a bootable usb stick... easy enough.
[6:08] <timmmaaaayyy> lol, yes
[6:08] <tzarc> try unetbootin
[6:08] <timmmaaaayyy> headless pi......can unetbootin work via cli?
[6:08] <tzarc> no I mean on the mac
[6:08] <fr0g911> hey timmmaaaayyy
[6:08] <timmmaaaayyy> ok
[6:08] <timmmaaaayyy> yes?
[6:08] <fr0g911> your using mac
[6:09] <timmmaaaayyy> currently, yes
[6:09] <fr0g911> by change the files you download get corrupt
[6:09] <fr0g911> like
[6:09] <fr0g911> iphone
[6:09] <fr0g911> software
[6:09] <fr0g911> ipad software
[6:09] <fr0g911> by change are you on road runner
[6:09] <fr0g911> chance*
[6:11] <timmmaaaayyy> i download it three different times.....i'm wondering if the usb tick just took a shit
[6:11] <timmmaaaayyy> which is possible but i doubt it.....i installed debian wheezy just fine four hours ago
[6:11] <fr0g911> lol
[6:11] <fr0g911> nope
[6:11] <fr0g911> you know what it is
[6:11] <timmmaaaayyy> time warner
[6:11] <ShiftPlusOne> timmmaaaayyy, watch the language there. Nuh, I think the usb stick is fine and you're just doing something wrong there.
[6:11] <Viper-7> http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=96305&d=1238774506
[6:11] <fr0g911> this is going to go over your head
[6:12] <fr0g911> road runner has some problem downloading large files zips and other compressed files
[6:12] <fr0g911> my brother had the same problem
[6:12] <fr0g911> using mac
[6:12] <fr0g911> and road runner
[6:12] <fr0g911> the trick we found
[6:12] <fr0g911> he uses my computer using team viewer
[6:13] <fr0g911> downloads the iso's
[6:13] <fr0g911> zips them
[6:13] <fr0g911> and sends it back to him
[6:13] <ShiftPlusOne> you could always verify the file first... maybe even should.
[6:13] <fr0g911> and bam the files arent messed up
[6:13] <timmmaaaayyy> thank you for thinking that would go over my head :) i am quite retarded
[6:13] <fr0g911> google road runner corrupt my files
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[6:14] <fr0g911> lol it went over my head too timmmaaaayyy
[6:14] <fr0g911> when i first thought of it
[6:14] <Viper-7> so does sarcasm it seems
[6:14] <fr0g911> its because of road runners hop and net traces
[6:14] <fr0g911> lol Viper-7
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[6:15] <fr0g911> [TWC] File Corruption on Certain Downloads - Time Warner Internet ...
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[6:15] <fr0g911> All Large (~3GB+) Files Download Corrupt
[6:15] <Viper-7> lol
[6:15] <fr0g911> they suck
[6:15] <fr0g911> lol
[6:15] <timmmaaaayyy> this is 128Mb
[6:16] <timmmaaaayyy> or something like that
[6:16] <fr0g911> crc check it
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[6:16] <fr0g911> if it checks out usb might suck or it hates running on the pi
[6:17] <timmmaaaayyy> they don't tell you the hash: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
[6:17] <fr0g911> hey so why does the pi restart when you remove a usb drive
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[6:18] <timmmaaaayyy> mine doens't
[6:19] <fr0g911> you have the 512 pie
[6:19] <fr0g911> pi*
[6:19] <fr0g911> or the first gen
[6:19] <timmmaaaayyy> uhhhhh.....256
[6:19] <timmmaaaayyy> i have both...want me to try in the 512 s well
[6:19] <fr0g911> dont think it will matter though
[6:20] <fr0g911> hmm
[6:20] <fr0g911> have you tryed dual booting your mack
[6:20] <fr0g911> with windows to make the drive
[6:20] <timmmaaaayyy> nah, i have other computers.....i just wanted to try using the pi
[6:20] <fr0g911> using like virtualbox
[6:21] <timmmaaaayyy> it's not that big of a deal....i'll get it one way or another
[6:21] <timmmaaaayyy> but i thought there was a way to do it in linux..... cat debian.iso < /dev/sda or something like that
[6:21] <timmmaaaayyy> noone seems to know, so i guess i'm not going that route
[6:21] <ShiftPlusOne> timmmaaaayyy, you can't just write an iso to a usb drive.
[6:22] <ShiftPlusOne> iso's are cd images and cds are treated differently by the computer
[6:22] <timmmaaaayyy> ok. all these turorials are lying to me then....but i believe you becuase it's not working! lol
[6:23] <ShiftPlusOne> though according to their documentation, "Debian CD and DVD images can now be written directly a USB stick, which is a very easy way to make a bootable USB stick."
[6:23] <ShiftPlusOne> That might depend on the computer
[6:23] <fr0g911> zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX
[6:23] <fr0g911> ?
[6:24] <ShiftPlusOne> timmmaaaayyy, if you want to do it manually, without using something like unetbootn, the steps are here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en (4.3.3)
[6:24] <fr0g911> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en
[6:25] <fr0g911> lol
[6:25] <fr0g911> i was just looking at that ShiftPlusOne
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[6:25] <fr0g911> you prob googled the same thing as me
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[6:26] <ShiftPlusOne> "debian netinstall usb" >.>
[6:26] <fr0g911> lol
[6:26] <timmmaaaayyy> ahh sweeet. that's the juice! lets me try. thanks!
[6:26] <fr0g911> im watching back to the future part 2
[6:27] <timmmaaaayyy> http://pastebin.com/SbrhbYZw --- what the heck
[6:28] <ShiftPlusOne> what? You're not root.
[6:28] <fr0g911> sudo
[6:28] <fr0g911> sudo cat debian-6.0.7-amd64-netinst.iso > /dev/sda
[6:28] <ShiftPlusOne> just putting sudo in front won't work
[6:28] <fr0g911> why?
[6:29] <fr0g911> is your sd mounted
[6:29] <timmmaaaayyy> trying again as actual root
[6:30] <timmmaaaayyy> it's letting me this time.....i had no idea that was different than sudo
[6:30] <ShiftPlusOne> I think in that case the 'cat' part is executed as root, but the pipe part isn't.
[6:30] <fr0g911> yea
[6:30] <fr0g911> should be good
[6:30] <timmmaaaayyy> ooooooooohhh. aaaand she loves it!!!
[6:30] <timmmaaaayyy> thank you!
[6:31] <timmmaaaayyy> please don't be corrupt again.....
[6:31] <fr0g911> lol
[6:31] <fr0g911> may the force be with you
[6:31] <fr0g911> hey i have a big problem
[6:31] <fr0g911> my pi
[6:31] <ShiftPlusOne> timewa1ker, so.... why the hell are you not using unetbootin?
[6:31] <ShiftPlusOne> timmmaaaayyy, *
[6:31] <fr0g911> it doesnt know what time back to the future part 2 was set in
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[6:32] <timmmaaaayyy> integrity check complete! beautiful!
[6:32] <ShiftPlusOne> wah?
[6:32] <timmmaaaayyy> i knew the pi would save the day
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[6:33] <fr0g911> lol
[6:33] <fr0g911> now to see if it works timmmaaaayyy
[6:33] * ShiftPlusOne thinks it won't
[6:33] <timmmaaaayyy> it's working like a dream....it just passed the integrity check (where it didn't earlier)
[6:33] <ShiftPlusOne> oh, on the actual laptop?
[6:33] <timmmaaaayyy> it's gonna take a while to install, but it's chugging along like a champ
[6:34] <timmmaaaayyy> yea on the laptop
[6:34] <ShiftPlusOne> timmmaaaayyy, for future reference.... provide a lot more information when asking questions.
[6:34] <fr0g911> lol yeah timmmaaaayyy we would of had this in afew seconds
[6:34] <ShiftPlusOne> if you had mentioned that the usb actually boots and only fails the integrity check, we could have been a lot more helpful
[6:35] <fr0g911> thought you were first trying to install the iso image onto the pi and run it from the pi
[6:35] <fr0g911> i was like wth
[6:35] <timmmaaaayyy> all i asked was how to make a bootable usb drive from an iso
[6:35] <timmmaaaayyy> not to be a jerk or anything, but you all starting going off on side topics as to why i wanted that and how that wouldn't wok in the pi
[6:36] <timmmaaaayyy> i definitely appreciate the help
[6:36] <ShiftPlusOne> well, that's to do with the mindest we are in... this in #raspberrypi after all.
[6:37] <timmmaaaayyy> fair enough.....i guess i could ahve just asked this in the linux channel to avoid that confusion
[6:37] <ShiftPlusOne> but fair enough. Still more information as to what you wanted to accomplish would have helped avoid that.
[6:37] <timmmaaaayyy> no waorries......we got it figured out
[6:37] <timmmaaaayyy> thanks again
[6:37] <fr0g911> glad we could help
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[6:37] <timmmaaaayyy> "That's about as funny as a screen door on a battleship."
[6:38] <A124> How to implement copy paste in term? :D
[6:38] <ShiftPlusOne> gpm
[6:38] <A124> Thx
[6:38] <A124> Too lazy to reboot :D
[6:38] <A124> Or relog.
[6:38] <ShiftPlusOne> selecting text copies automatically, middle (or in some cases right) mouse button to paste.
[6:38] <Viper-7> timmmaaaayyy: screen door on a submarine you dork
[6:39] <fr0g911> lol
[6:39] <A124> ShiftPlusOne: Oh thanks. I'm used on right so it would boggle my mind. gotta change it afterwards :D
[6:39] <timmmaaaayyy> go watch back to the future with fr0g911 and you'll know what i'm talking about
[6:40] <timmmaaaayyy> dangit
[6:40] <fr0g911> viper-7 you dont happen to be viper-x are you
[6:40] <Viper-7> timmmaaaayyy: maybe you should rewatch it :P
[6:40] <timmmaaaayyy> hahahahahahah i just realized that
[6:40] <Viper-7> fr0g911: nope
[6:40] <A124> Any tips for audio managment/players?
[6:40] <fr0g911> lol just checking old really smart porgram from back in the day
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[6:41] <fr0g911> hey i got a q'
[6:41] <fr0g911> not sure if i was just being dumb prob was
[6:42] <Viper-7> we all are sometimes :P sup?
[6:42] <A124> Umm.. any tips.. apart from aplay?
[6:42] <fr0g911> but when i first got the first pi i used hdmi so the video rca wouldnt work or vise virsa
[6:43] <ShiftPlusOne> A124, I don't like the idea of 'libraries' and all of that, so I don't know about music managment, but I find mocp to be a good player.
[6:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I think cmus might be what you're after though
[6:43] <fr0g911> does it set the default display into config file
[6:43] <Viper-7> A124: without any idea of your requirements, desired features, etc - nope
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[6:44] <Viper-7> fr0g911: there are settings in the config file which can force composite or hdmi mode, but they`re both off by default, and raspbian wont just change the config file itself on you
[6:44] <A124> Viper-7: Anything decent. Could be only player, could be with or without interface, may have management.. blah.
[6:44] <ShiftPlusOne> A124, take your pick https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List_of_Applications#Command-line_players
[6:45] <fr0g911> hmm maybe it was just raspbmc then
[6:45] <Viper-7> A124: still hard to pick one from the dim
[6:45] <fr0g911> it was awhile back ago
[6:45] <Viper-7> fr0g911: raspbmc is raspbian, just with some junk added on and other stuff broken
[6:46] <A124> ShiftPlusOne: Thanks
[6:46] <Viper-7> A124: mplayer? mpd? vlc? mpg123?
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[6:47] <fr0g911> yeah thats what i tought
[6:47] <Viper-7> im using mpd for the ultimate level of control it gives me, but it turns the whole process on its head :P
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[6:47] <fr0g911> hey i havent tryed vlc on the pi in command does it work fine im sure it should
[6:47] <Viper-7> yep, just dont expect good video playback from it
[6:47] <Viper-7> no support for the GPU hardware
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[6:47] <fr0g911> aww yuck
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[6:48] <fr0g911> but xbmc has support
[6:48] <fr0g911> weird
[6:48] <A124> Viper-7: mpd you say.. new to me. Going to check that as well :)
[6:48] <Viper-7> fr0g911: xbmc doesnt use vlc
[6:49] <Viper-7> fr0g911: seeing as i dont even have X11 installed, i cant say as ive noticed :P
[6:49] <fr0g911> i mean xbmc running perfect with videos
[6:49] <fr0g911> 1080p and all
[6:49] <Viper-7> yes, its not using vlc for playback
[6:49] <Viper-7> its using omxplayer or such
[6:49] <Viper-7> which DO support the pi`s GPU
[6:50] <fr0g911> yea
[6:50] <fr0g911> i like vlc alot though
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[6:50] <fr0g911> use it for my security biz
[6:50] <fr0g911> to encode all the ipcams
[6:50] <Viper-7> A124: the MPD daemon handles both playback of tracks, and managing your library of tracks. The clients are very thin & simple, they let you update the library, search for / filter tracks, queue up a playlist, and control the playback
[6:50] <A124> Fck.. run out of space
[6:51] <fr0g911> lol
[6:51] <Viper-7> the advantages are there are clients for just about every method of interface you could think of
[6:51] <A124> Viper-7: Thank you for info.
[6:51] <Viper-7> and it`s internal filtering and output stream handling leave even Jack off in the dust
[6:51] <A124> Yeah I just got RPi running today on a 2GB SD.. so ..
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[6:52] <Viper-7> its cool to be able to fork your audio output to a fifo buffer, and start playing with FFTs on it and such :P
[6:52] <A124> Finding it's way to full cli.. googling hundreds of tabs
[6:52] <Viper-7> or send it straight out a network stream, whatever
[6:52] <A124> FFT :D
[6:52] <Viper-7> very rough, but this was my first play
[6:52] <fr0g911> yeah
[6:52] <Viper-7> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR0mNuYp_ys
[6:52] <A124> Network stream you say..
[6:53] <fr0g911> and all the encodes you can use on the fly
[6:53] <Viper-7> took maybe.. 3 hours from first installing MPD to having that running
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[6:53] <A124> Humm.. this would fit in my old idea just nice
[6:53] <Viper-7> the FFT routine is from a library, but everything else is entirely custom
[6:55] <A124> You better hide cursor next time :D
[6:55] <fr0g911> hey whats a good cheap TFT LCD for use with the pi in a car lol
[6:55] <Viper-7> heh
[6:55] <Viper-7> fr0g911: depends how you define cheap :P
[6:55] <fr0g911> like under 100
[6:55] <fr0g911> usd
[6:56] <fr0g911> i really wanna use the psp old school one
[6:56] <fr0g911> lol
[6:56] <Viper-7> http://dx.com/p/3-5-tft-lcd-monitor-visual-reversing-vehicles-reverse-camera-ntsc-pal-dc8-15v-49796
[6:56] <fr0g911> wow
[6:56] <fr0g911> really
[6:56] <fr0g911> ?
[6:57] <Viper-7> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/3-5-inch-tft-lcd-car-rear-view-digital-monitor-dvd-vcr-2chs-video-gadgets.html
[6:57] <Viper-7> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/4-3-inch-tft-lcd-car-rearview-digital-monitor-vcd-dvd-vcr-gadgets.html
[6:57] <A124> LoL
[6:57] <Viper-7> i have one of the 2nd 3.5 inch ones
[6:57] <Viper-7> the 4.3 inch is the best value for money, but no chassis :P
[6:57] <Viper-7> the two 3.5 inchers are basically identical
[6:57] <fr0g911> thats not bad at add
[6:58] <fr0g911> all*
[6:58] <Viper-7> the catch? hong kong drop shippers, usual delivery time is between 1 and 2 months
[6:58] <fr0g911> 4.3" inch
[6:58] <fr0g911> is the same as the 3.5?
[6:58] <Viper-7> its a widescreen version
[6:58] <Viper-7> but otherwise yea
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[6:58] <fr0g911> yea
[6:59] <fr0g911> whats the board next to it
[6:59] <fr0g911> oh its its board duh
[6:59] <fr0g911> lol
[6:59] <Viper-7> the logic board for it
[6:59] <Viper-7> the lack of a photo of the cables is concerning for the 4.3 inch
[6:59] <A124> Ehm.. facepalm?
[6:59] <A124> It is
[6:59] <fr0g911> so how does the pi plug in
[6:59] <Viper-7> composite vidoe
[6:59] <Viper-7> *video
[7:00] <Viper-7> look at the 3.5 inch one
[7:00] <fr0g911> aww thats why
[7:00] <fr0g911> im looking at the 4.5
[7:00] <Viper-7> it includes an audio jack too, no clue why, theres no speaker or headphone output
[7:00] <fr0g911> rofl
[7:00] <fr0g911> dumb
[7:00] <fr0g911> lol
[7:00] <fr0g911> so you have one
[7:00] <fr0g911> the screen is ok
[7:00] <Viper-7> yup
[7:01] <fr0g911> 1 - 2 months
[7:01] <fr0g911> hmmm
[7:01] <Viper-7> not the greatest pic for showing it off, but https://www.dropbox.com/s/7c6t1b1encz48f0/demo_board_2.jpg
[7:01] <Viper-7> i was playing with composite video output from the propeller there, which is why the pallette is so... blue :P
[7:01] <Viper-7> but it looks nicer than i expected
[7:01] <Viper-7> just... difficult to mount heh
[7:01] <fr0g911> yeah
[7:02] <fr0g911> i'd have to figure it out
[7:02] <fr0g911> i dont wanna mess up the new car
[7:02] <Viper-7> silastic fixes all
[7:02] <fr0g911> just got the 2013 mustang
[7:02] <Viper-7> if not, break out the 2400 watts of `make it fit`
[7:02] <Viper-7> lol, ok maybe not :P
[7:02] <fr0g911> lol
[7:02] <Viper-7> then buy the screen with a casing lol
[7:02] <fr0g911> lol
[7:03] <fr0g911> you know how much it cost for that damn car
[7:03] <fr0g911> im broke
[7:03] <fr0g911> lol
[7:03] <A124> :O Do you have schematics? .D
[7:03] <Viper-7> its like one dollar more..
[7:03] <Viper-7> A124: for ?
[7:03] <A124> Umm.. sharing?
[7:03] <A124> The picture you posted
[7:03] <Viper-7> no, i mean what schematics
[7:04] <A124> Amp, Ethernet etc
[7:04] <Viper-7> theres about 3 different projects going on there heh
[7:04] <A124> Yeah I'm aware of that
[7:04] <Viper-7> it was destined to become version 2 of this https://www.dropbox.com/s/obdfl6oj59gz6nm/demo_board.jpg
[7:05] <A124> Ehm.. got a little out of hand I guess
[7:05] <A124> xDS
[7:05] <Viper-7> A124: i was exploring interfaces
[7:05] <A124> That v1 is insanely neat
[7:05] <Viper-7> its that breadboard
[7:05] <Viper-7> sideways rows
[7:05] <Viper-7> its awesome
[7:05] <A124> Out of hand on v2 I mean
[7:05] <fr0g911> lol
[7:06] <fr0g911> one more thing Viper remote for pi and xbmc cheap
[7:06] <fr0g911> lol
[7:07] <Viper-7> the usb sound card is directly from a microchip application note, the propeller composite video is using the same circuit as the propeller demo board (schematics available), the ethernet isnt even fully hooked up there, but again just lifted the circuit straight from the datasheet there, and the ADC/UART up the top is just an 8-bit wide parallel connection, plus a clock - the rest is tricky code on that USB UART micro
[7:08] <Viper-7> fr0g911: lirc_rpi
[7:08] <Viper-7> its in raspbian apt repos now i believe
[7:09] <Viper-7> just needs an IR reciever module, $2-$3 at your local overpriced electronics store
[7:09] <A124> Viper-1: Ah. I see. The v1 Looks interesting.. you collect all the data through USB?
[7:09] <Viper-7> can use any remote you want
[7:09] <fr0g911> like radio shack
[7:09] <Viper-7> yup
[7:09] <fr0g911> that rips me off
[7:09] <Viper-7> yup
[7:09] <Viper-7> part is worth about 30c
[7:09] <fr0g911> yea
[7:09] <fr0g911> i hate them
[7:09] <Viper-7> not worth stuffing around with an online order for tho, especially after shipping
[7:09] <Viper-7> so meh
[7:09] <fr0g911> check this out
[7:09] <fr0g911> i went in there the other day
[7:09] <Viper-7> A124: yep, USB CDC, basic serial emulator, ~10mbit throughput
[7:10] <fr0g911> and was like i need a heat sink
[7:10] <fr0g911> they said ohh yea we got that
[7:10] <Viper-7> A124: yet again, lifted straight from the microchip example library
[7:10] <fr0g911> and gave me the thermal compound
[7:10] <fr0g911> i was noooo
[7:10] <Viper-7> fr0g911: lol
[7:10] <fr0g911> the damn heat sink you sob
[7:10] <fr0g911> and they were like oh we dont have that
[7:11] <fr0g911> wtf you sell the shit for it then
[7:11] <A124> Is the v1 in schematics elsewhere?
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[7:11] <Viper-7> A124: not really
[7:11] <Viper-7> it wasnt a planned design, it just happened :D
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[7:12] <Viper-7> fr0g911: http://www.taydaelectronics.com/ir-receiver-module-38-khz-tsop4838.html
[7:13] <Viper-7> or if you really want to cheap out, http://www.taydaelectronics.com/ksm-2012-ir-receiver-module-36-7-khz-ksm-2012te2s-2.html
[7:13] <fr0g911> lol
[7:13] <A124> 36?
[7:13] <Viper-7> they`ll only charge a couple of bucks shipping, even if you throw in a ton of other junk, and you`ll most likely have it in a week
[7:14] <fr0g911> i need to have the board for that right
[7:14] <Viper-7> they`re really cheap for tons of through-hole components
[7:14] <Viper-7> great for hobbyists / hackers
[7:14] <fr0g911> i only have the pi main board
[7:14] <Viper-7> fr0g911: nope, the pins on those are literally +5V, Ground, and Data
[7:14] <Viper-7> Data goes directly to a GPIO pin on the pi
[7:15] <fr0g911> awww
[7:15] <Viper-7> no need for a board if you dont want it, just get a connector for the GPIO port and build it in to place :P
[7:15] <fr0g911> thanks this should be fun
[7:15] <A124> Solder it onto GPIO *evil*
[7:15] <fr0g911> tired of using my tv romote and cell phone and ipad
[7:16] <Viper-7> yes 36.7kHz, it wont work quite as well, but will still do the job, especially in an enclosed environment like a car (38kHz is still within its filter pass range)
[7:16] <Viper-7> but yeah, the 38kHz one should have better sensitivity
[7:17] <fr0g911> pretty cool thanks again
[7:17] <Viper-7> np
[7:17] <fr0g911> hmmm i just had another idea
[7:18] <fr0g911> i've used ubuntu to and a candle to controll my mouse using a wii numbchuck
[7:18] <fr0g911> what are your thoughts on that for the pi
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[7:23] <fr0g911> im gonna goto sleep see yall later have a wonderful night
[7:23] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[7:24] <fr0g911> :)
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[8:01] <timmmaaaayyy> anyone use any network mgmt tools to monitor their pi? cacti/zenoss/etc?
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[8:05] <Zhao|nap> timmmaaaayyy, I just write a script to ping my pi to see if it's up
[8:06] <timmmaaaayyy> sweet. i'm trying to get LOTS of info. i have cacti graphing all the basics, but i'd like to get apache worker info and stuff like that as well
[8:07] <Zhao|nap> timmmaaaayyy, can you set custom shell commands on cacti?
[8:07] * Zhao|nap hasn't used cacti before
[8:07] <timmmaaaayyy> you can query any snmp mib you want
[8:08] <timmmaaaayyy> i think you can do command stuff if you're smarter than i am
[8:08] <timmmaaaayyy> but i can't
[8:08] <Viper-7> yeah, rrdtool
[8:09] <Zhao|nap> timmmaaaayyy, try "sudo apachectl status"
[8:10] <Viper-7> you can dump whatever you want into the rrd
[8:10] <Viper-7> declare what fields you want and how often you`ll be updating it
[8:10] <Viper-7> then define graphs in cacti to chart the data
[8:10] <Zhao|nap> Viper-7, oh yeah
[8:11] <Viper-7> as for actually updating it, cron and such works :P
[8:11] <Viper-7> http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/tut/rrd-beginners.en.html
[8:11] <steve_rox> is there a cmd to check a disk for errors on the pi? ive forgot it
[8:11] <timmmaaaayyy> "/usr/sbin/apachectl: 99: /usr/sbin/apachectl: www-browser: not found"
[8:11] <Viper-7> steve_rox: fsck?
[8:12] <steve_rox> thanks
[8:12] <Viper-7> timmmaaaayyy: that makes basically no sense to me
[8:12] <Viper-7> why is your webserver configured to run a www-browser module? and where did it go? :P
[8:14] <timmmaaaayyy> no idea.....lol
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[8:15] <timmmaaaayyy> i'm a newb man.....that's the default apache2 installation
[8:15] <Viper-7> timmmaaaayyy: well its not a normal part of apache, at least on any regular linux systems
[8:15] <Viper-7> havent tried it on my pi
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[8:55] <treeherder> alo
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[8:57] <wry> Weird.
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[9:12] <b3nt0> yello
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[9:13] <wry> Green!
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[9:47] <Crenn-NAS> KITTIES! https://twitter.com/crennsmind/status/307722178751762432/photo/1
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[10:31] <wry> Kitties!
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> morning ...
[11:00] <bkm> hello
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[11:25] <schnuws> hello!
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[11:35] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Guten Morgen
[11:35] <Crenn-NAS> wry: Yep!
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[12:20] <notlistening> hi all, sd card that sed to boot and just stopped, any ideas. I have wiped and created a new system/partition table?
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[12:21] <notlistening> *used
[12:22] <notlistening> when i switch on the pi i get red light only no flash to show its reading the sd card, i get the same behaviour on blank cards
[12:23] <notlistening> its running openelec
[12:24] <notlistening> my laptop can use the card just fine
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[13:22] <gugaua> hwllo
[13:22] <gugaua> hello :)
[13:22] <A124> Hey
[13:23] <gugaua> i flashed my raspberry pi image to an hard drive via usb
[13:23] <gugaua> and now it boots from the hard drive
[13:23] <ryanteck> Hi
[13:23] <A124> I don't see any question or problem.
[13:23] <gugaua> and i am using the watchdog module to restart the pi when 1 minute load gets ver 21
[13:24] <ryanteck> Over 21!
[13:24] <A124> WTH?
[13:24] <gugaua> can i configure the raspberry pi??s watchdog if there is a read write error to restart automatically?
[13:24] <ryanteck> If I figured out what load is correctly that would even be a struggle for my computer
[13:25] <gugaua> today i couldnt connect to my pi because of read write error and watchdog needs to be configured to restart automatically if that happen bit how?
[13:25] <A124> Maybe you should fix the media, not the load
[13:26] <ryanteck> Possibly the automatic restart is corrupting it
[13:26] <gugaua> media is ok it happend the first time and i??m using this for 2 weeks right now
[13:26] <gugaua> do you think if it restart automatically it will corrupt data?
[13:27] <gugaua> i had to power cycle my py i didnt touch my harddisk and it worked
[13:27] <ryanteck> It depends weather it can fully shutdown cleanly
[13:27] <gugaua> if there is a read write error the whole pi is not longer working until a power cycle
[13:27] <ryanteck> I'm not fully sure what to recommend
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[13:28] <mike_t> gugaua, try checks mtite for /var/log/syslog
[13:28] <ryanteck> Either way I think it may be worth putting it slightly less than 21 for the load
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[13:29] <ryanteck> If correct as one website put it each core can manage 1.0 Load well
[13:29] <mike_t> or wtites test and run via test-binary
[13:29] <ryanteck> Do you have a computer with linux on (such as ubuntu) or possibility to be able to read the SMART data
[13:30] <gugaua> i could
[13:30] <gugaua> i have ubuntu
[13:30] <gugaua> and i can conncet it directly to the mb
[13:30] <ryanteck> if the disk fails tests on computer it could be why
[13:30] <gugaua> it could be also overclock
[13:30] <gugaua> to 950
[13:31] <ryanteck> Yeh overclocking has a possibility of corrupting
[13:31] <gugaua> with 1xxx overclock i cannot even start
[13:31] <gugaua> might this help?
[13:31] <gugaua> # Check if syslogd is still running by enabling the following line
[13:31] <gugaua> pidfile = /var/run/syslogd.pid
[13:32] <A124> Do you have heatsink?
[13:32] <gugaua> no
[13:32] <A124> Blasphemy
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[13:32] <mike_t> gugaua, no, see file and change options
[13:32] <A124> Don't OC mroe than 800MHz without heatsink
[13:32] <ryanteck> Heatsinks on Pi are very overrated in my opninon
[13:33] <A124> Depends on environment
[13:33] <ryanteck> A124 I had my Pi running a web server at 1Ghz overclock, No heatsink
[13:33] <ryanteck> Ran perfect for over a week until I had the New VPS sorted
[13:33] <A124> Under heavy load and certain cases / conditions.. you would see for yourself
[13:33] <mike_t> ryanteck, what temperature?
[13:33] <gugaua> mike_t: #file = /var/log/messages
[13:34] <ryanteck> I can't remember, it never crashed out I think it was about 50-60 Degrees
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[13:34] <ryanteck> Then again thats the handy reason of using the raspi-config to manage it as if it does overheat it turns the overclock off
[13:34] <gugaua> my pi is lways between 50 and 55
[13:34] <ryanteck> Brb
[13:35] <mike_t> gugaua, yes, and enables mark messages in rsyslog.conf
[13:35] <gugaua> i know that the pi sets the cpu freq dynamicly
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[13:37] <gugaua> mike_t: this one? #$ModLoad immark # provides --MARK-- message capability
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[13:40] <ryanteck> I overvolted one of mine when I first got it :3
[13:40] <gugaua> :) :) :)
[13:41] <gugaua> i will try to plug off the hard drive and plug back in and see if the pi restarts
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[13:43] <gugaua> ok it didnt work is didnt restart it has shown the io errors
[13:44] <mike_t> gugaua, yes
[13:44] <gugaua> mike
[13:44] <Hopsy> hmm, why can I change my macaddress with linux but isnt possible with windows
[13:44] <gugaua> mike_t: oh so you expected it not to restart automatically?
[13:45] <gladier> Hopsy: you can on some cards
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[13:45] <gladier> http://www.online-tech-tips.com/computer-tips/how-to-change-mac-address/
[13:45] <gladier> its all about the driver capabilties
[13:45] <mike_t> gugaua, watchdog restarts if mtime for log isn't change
[13:46] <gugaua> mike_t: what is mtime?
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[13:46] <mike_t> gugaua, man 5 watchdog.conf
[13:48] <ryanteck> Linux allows modification of more settings over Windows most of the time
[13:49] <gugaua> mike_t: do you think value "1407"(default) is ok for "change"
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[13:52] <mike_t> gugaua, maybe I'm not sure
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[13:54] <gugaua> mike_t: with default value it didnt restart automatically when plugged out waited 30 sek
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[14:13] <Diaoul> Hi
[14:15] <Diaoul> I think the SD card is the bottleneck to my PHP script being slow. Is there a way to speed up performances by using the extra free RAM I have (~200MB) to a little fs and make PHP use it ?
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[14:19] <ryanteck> what is the PHP script doing?
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> quite - php scripts are normally tiny - so they'll run entirely in ram..
[14:23] <rymate1234> if the php script accesses a database, then maybe move the database to ram
[14:24] <ryanteck> i think it took up to 30 Seconds for my Pi to get from DB and put into a .json string using PHP over 18,000 Records
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[15:44] <bkm> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libc6 : Depends: libc-bin (= 2.13-37+rpi1) but 2.13-38+rpi2 is installed
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[15:45] <bkm> is that solvable or have i ruined this raspbmc installation?
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> if that doesn't solve it, then .... good luck!
[15:46] <bkm> it never solves it. i'm not sure why apt lets you get yourself into so much trouble
[15:46] <bkm> thanks, though
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[16:13] <gravypod> Hello, I am in need of some help. My raspberry pi wont start. I have had it for a few weeks and it has been working fine. I have used 3 different SD cards and have looked at the wiki page and none of the things mentioned there are the problem
[16:13] <gravypod> The red power light turns on, but thats it
[16:14] <IT_Sean> what power supply are you using? what's the rating on it?
[16:15] <gravypod> Its a standard plug to USB. 1000 ma
[16:15] <gravypod> Any information you need? I can get it and read the things off of the plug
[16:15] <IT_Sean> that should do. Are you sure you copied the OS to the SD card correctly?
[16:16] <gravypod> Yup, it has been working fine for the past month or two
[16:16] <IT_Sean> oh, it was working, and then stopped?
[16:16] <gravypod> Yup
[16:16] <IT_Sean> If you have a spare SD card, try making a new boot card... the one you have may be corrupted. It sounds like it cannot find an OS to boot.
[16:17] <bkm> the one(s) he has?
[16:17] <gravypod> I have tried 3 different cards, all of them worked untill today
[16:18] <IT_Sean> Okay... okay. What were you doing just before it stopped working?
[16:18] <gravypod> I was seeing if one of my connecters could be attached to the GPIO pins. It has a plastic top. Its just to bridge a connection to something else
[16:18] <gravypod> Want me to take a picture?
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[16:20] <IT_Sean> Could you have possibly shorted some of the pins?
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[16:20] <gravypod> Uuuh, no clue.... this cable should do that
[16:21] <gravypod> One seccond
[16:21] <ShiftPlusOne> gravypod, I have seen some people say that some connectors have some pins shorted and I think an IDE cable might be an example of that.
[16:21] <gravypod> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ag5dgkrxtjrppbl/2013-03-02_10-20-26_102.jpg
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[16:21] <IT_Sean> I'm not familiar with that particular connector, but, make sure none of it's pins connect to any of the other pins.
[16:22] <IT_Sean> If you somehow shorted the wrong pns to one another (5v to 3.3v, or 5v to any of the data pins, for example) you may have killed it.
[16:23] <gravypod> I am gussing, and just saying this to be sure, no way to fix it right?
[16:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Assuming you haven't killed it, try blowing in the sd card connector. Might just have gotten dust in there. I had a pi that needed the card to be reinserted a few times before it would start.
[16:23] <IT_Sean> Well, __IF__ you shorted the wrong pins to one another, it's shagged.
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[16:24] <bkm> ShiftPlusOne: any low level diagnostics like a telnet session that could tell if anything is happening when the board is plugged in?
[16:26] <ShiftPlusOne> bkm, serial is as low level as it gets but by the stage that's brought up the kernel would be loaded by then and the green LED would have flashed a few times. You could try custom videocore code to output something over serial to see if the bootloader is even finding the firmware.
[16:26] <gravypod> anyone know where I can buy a pi?
[16:26] <gravypod> Makershed seems to be out
[16:27] <bkm> ShiftPlusOne: thx
[16:27] <ShiftPlusOne> bkm, try this as an example. Hook up serial (make sure your adapter is 3.3v) and follow these steps https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv/tree/master/dumpbootrom
[16:27] <ShiftPlusOne> keep in mind running that code can be a violation of some laws, so make sure it's legal in your country and all that </disclaimer>
[16:29] <bkm> thx
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[16:32] <bkm> ShiftPlusOne: can i ask about raspbian? what kind of formatting is required for an sd card? must the first partition be vfat32 and the second partion ext3? can there be extended partitions? i deleted the factory partitions on a new sd card, and have not seen a definitive description of how to prepare the card for raspbian, thanks
[16:33] <ShiftPlusOne> bkm, raspbian is distributed as a disk image. when you write it to disk all the partitions are written as well.
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[16:33] <bkm> so, i could dd /dev/zero to the card and the image would `just work`?
[16:34] <ShiftPlusOne> why would you dd /dev/zero?
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[16:34] <bkm> to get it in some known state
[16:34] <ShiftPlusOne> It's not like a casette tape where you have to erase it first to get clean audio...
[16:34] <ShiftPlusOne> you can just dd the image straight on it
[16:34] <ShiftPlusOne> as long as nothing on that card is mounted so that it's not in use.
[16:35] <bkm> well, it had stuff on it from the manufacturer
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[16:35] <IT_Sean> you can just dd the image.
[16:35] <ShiftPlusOne> doesn't matter, it will be overwritten anyway
[16:35] <bkm> interesting. i will try then
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[16:43] <UnaClocker> Red Pi Red Pi!
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[16:49] <ChampS666> is there a way to use firefox and firefory plugins on fedora remix?
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[16:51] <gravypod> Well, I back ordered a pi
[16:51] <gravypod> Luck for me another shipment is moving out march 8th
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[16:53] <UnaClocker> "Sell out a little, to sell a lot" - Eben Upton
[16:53] <IT_Sean> Model B?
[16:53] <gravypod> yup
[16:55] <gravypod> http://puu.sh/2aPnx
[16:55] <ryanteck> Pi are on back order again?
[16:55] <gravypod> yup
[16:56] <ryanteck> what country?
[16:56] <gravypod> US
[16:56] <ryanteck> ahh
[16:58] <gravypod> I guess I will have to setup a temp media center and devboard :<
[16:59] <UnaClocker> I want a Red Pi.
[16:59] <IT_Sean> move to china.
[16:59] <UnaClocker> Mmm, I hear the air is really bad there.
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[16:59] <gravypod> How much is a Red Pi?
[17:00] <UnaClocker> Not sure yet, waiting for the auction to end. ;)
[17:00] <ryanteck> gravypod at least you didn't order it on the 29th Of Feb Last year ;)
[17:00] <ryanteck> Url to auction?
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[17:01] <tonsofpcs> any suggestions for a RAD IDE that is (or can be made) gpio aware?
[17:01] <UnaClocker> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151001826833 Darn! I missed the end of the auction last night.
[17:01] <ryanteck> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RTC-PI-REAL-TIME-CLOCK-MODULE-SUPPORTS-RASPBERRY-Pi-ARDUINO-/121054388961?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item1c2f6762e1
[17:02] <UnaClocker> Looks like it went for $90 shipped.. Eee Gads..
[17:02] <UnaClocker> That gold plating sure looks good on the dark red PCB.
[17:02] <ryanteck> that is a bit cheap for a RTC board?
[17:03] <UnaClocker> 211 is cheap?
[17:03] <UnaClocker> 2.11 would be a fair price.
[17:03] <ryanteck> I was being sarcastic ^^
[17:03] <UnaClocker> ;)
[17:03] <UnaClocker> Gotta be a typo..
[17:03] <ryanteck> 12 sold?
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[17:05] <slysir> /quit
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[17:10] <SixtyFold> so about that RTC Pi clock
[17:11] <SixtyFold> if im looking at this right, i attaches on the GPIO and then leaves you the ability to have more GPIO use with it's own leads as well?
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[17:12] <Viper-7> SixtyFold: yep, its I2C, which is a simple bus, you can just stack devices together
[17:12] <Viper-7> 127 addresses
[17:13] <Viper-7> it doesnt otherwise change the rpi gpio header
[17:13] <Viper-7> just moves it higher
[17:13] <SixtyFold> Viper-7 - also, the reason you would want a RTC is if you dont have a constant connection to network time right?
[17:14] <Viper-7> and for plenty of cases where accurate timing is important
[17:14] <SixtyFold> cool
[17:14] <plugwash> In theory you have 127 addresses on I2C but in reality most chips have a limited set of addresses they can use.
[17:14] <Viper-7> yup
[17:14] <SixtyFold> is there some site to read about the addressing and stuff like that?
[17:14] <SixtyFold> i dont know much about anything like that
[17:15] <Viper-7> since hes just considering the possibility of having more than one, i dont think he has to worry about address collisions just yet ;)
[17:15] <plugwash> so you can find it's no longer possible to get a nonconflicting set of addresses long before you reach 127 devices
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[17:15] <Viper-7> SixtyFold: there are plenty of guides for I2C, even specific for the pi - adafruit have some good ones from memory
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[17:15] <plugwash> you can find the i2c spec at www.nxp.com/documents/user_manual/UM10204.pdf
[17:15] <SixtyFold> so does the RTC use only 1 of the 127 addresses?
[17:16] <Viper-7> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-4-gpio-setup/configuring-i2c
[17:16] <plugwash> for details of what addresses a particular device can use you need to look at that part's datasheets
[17:16] <Viper-7> SixtyFold: yes, but it may be fixed to a specific address or small range of options
[17:16] <SixtyFold> ahh okay
[17:16] <SixtyFold> thanks for the guides, ill check them out
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[17:18] <plugwash> yes it only uses one address but looking at the datasheet for the rtc IC they used it's address is fixed
[17:19] <Viper-7> well its a reasonably safe assumption that you only need one real time clock on a bus
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[17:49] <biberao> yo
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[18:10] <reverendp> just got back from the lego store, anyone have any tips about building a case for a pi? It is ok to sit the board down on a lego foundation correct?
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[18:10] <maxped> hi all, i am trying to edit lxde-rc.xml to configure some keybindings. i make changes, save restart lightdm, startx and get an error in that file on a line nowhere near where i was making my edit. mine looks just like the one given to start the filemanager. cant figure out wht my code wont work. im at a loss.
[18:12] <maxped> reverendp: i think i read 9x13 grid is a good base. have you seen the youtube video with a rack of pis in a lego rack system?
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[18:13] <reverendp> maxped, I will check that out thanks. I am building it higher on the outsdie edges for clearance and now working on securing it in place for cable insertion
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[18:20] <gordonDrogon> afternoogn.
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[18:24] <maxped> reverendp: are you planning on gluing the blocks once your design is worked out?
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[18:43] <maxped> hi all, i am trying to edit lxde-rc.xml to configure some keybindings. i make changes, save restart lightdm, startx and get an error in that file on a line nowhere near where i was making my edit. mine looks just like the one given to start the filemanager. cant figure out wht my code wont work. im at a loss.
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[18:55] <KiltedPi^> Hey gais: is DO (Digital output) something I can access with the Pi easily, heres a link for an interesting Integrated circuit I found and might use to automate my plant watering: http://propellerpowered.us/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=208
[18:55] <KiltedPi^> I am undertaking a project that uses l2C/SPI
[18:56] <KiltedPi^> This Soil moisture measurer looks like a rly good circuitm (ery cheap!)
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[19:02] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi^, that's a bit short on detail - doesn't say what the digital output is..
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[19:03] <gordonDrogon> if you could find a data sheet...
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> however I'm guessing it's just a resistance meter
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[19:06] <KiltedPi^> checking out the arduino forums at the mo...
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[19:38] <tonsofpcs> KiltedPi^: seeing as people have used the 500 MHz GPO to synthesize FM, I don't think there will be a problem...
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[20:04] <Cymon> Morning guys. I'm running through http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-8-using-a-servo-motor/software and all I get is "error writing to: servo value X" where X keeps chaning.
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[20:05] <arnsa> Hi, could anyone tell me the exact price of RP?
[20:06] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on the distributor, since they factor in shipping differently.
[20:06] <Cymon> arnsa, what do you mean "exact price". Do you want the price plus tax for just the board or the price to get you up and running?
[20:07] <ShiftPlusOne> generally, model A is $25 + taxes and shipping and model b is $35 + taxes and shipping, IIRC
[20:08] <Cymon> You probably want a Model B.
[20:08] <arnsa> Cymon the price plus tax plus shipping etc
[20:08] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on the country and distributor
[20:09] <Cymon> Why not just go on to your distributor of choice, run through the purchase process, and cancel before final confirmation?
[20:09] <arnsa> ShiftPlusOne I find it to be 65$ in my country... isn't that a little bit too much?
[20:10] <masafumi_ohta> arnsa where you now living?
[20:10] <arnsa> masafumi_ohta Lithuania
[20:10] <ShiftPlusOne> which distributor? I am not 100% sure about this, but I don't think they're supposed to do that.
[20:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Unless you're actually ordering from a neighbouring country and you are being charged international shipping or something
[20:11] <DeliriumTremens> i'm sure some folks in here work in IT for a living...
[20:11] <DeliriumTremens> any of you have a term for the mysterious effect of a problem fixing itself just by having the IT guy look at it?
[20:11] <arnsa> Oh, I've found one for 43$ http://lt.rsdelivers.com/product/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-type-b/raspberry-pi-type-b/7568308.aspx
[20:12] <arnsa> Damn, I thought I could get RP for 25$... :/
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[20:13] <mjr> the model B has always been $35, plus tax
[20:13] <arnsa> mjr model A is cheaper?
[20:13] <masafumi_ohta> In my case I got $35+tax+shipping fee to Japan.
[20:14] <mjr> yes, and with less memory and less an ethernet chip (and less in energy consumption as a bonus)
[20:14] <ShiftPlusOne> model a just has one usb jack, doesn't it?
[20:14] <masafumi_ohta> arnsa Model A doesn't have Ethernet port.you might prepare any network adaptors.
[20:15] <mjr> true, I mentally included that in the ethernet chip but it bears mentioning
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[20:15] <arnsa> masafumi_ohta I don't even use ethernet cable
[20:15] <masafumi_ohta> arnsa got that.you thinking of using wifi?
[20:15] <arnsa> Hm, but I can't find RP model A anywhere
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[20:15] <arnsa> masafumi_ohta ye
[20:16] <|Jeroen|> rs has them
[20:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Isn't model A UK only for now?
[20:16] <arnsa> |Jeroen| nop
[20:16] <mjr> I thought it was Europe only for now, but *shrug*
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[20:17] <|Jeroen|> arnsa, yep you can select them in the shop
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[20:17] <masafumi_ohta> https://www.modmypi.com
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[20:17] <arnsa> |Jeroen| no, there's only model B for my country
[20:18] <|Jeroen|> well here they sell both
[20:18] <|Jeroen|> but why would sombody want an A
[20:19] <arnsa> |Jeroen| why not?
[20:19] <KiltedPi^> For robotz Jeroen
[20:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Why wouldn't you? Hook it up to a lapdock and you've got yourself a laptop.
[20:19] <KiltedPi^> Low power
[20:19] <|Jeroen|> whitout a nic
[20:19] <KiltedPi^> its 256 RAM Jeroen means, I htink
[20:19] <|Jeroen|> that to
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[20:19] <KiltedPi^> But it is a low power consumption device
[20:19] <KiltedPi^> so...
[20:19] <KiltedPi^> ROBOTZ
[20:20] <|Jeroen|> but the B is only 5W
[20:20] <|Jeroen|> whats the 1w gonna mather
[20:20] <KiltedPi^> Power is important with botz
[20:20] <ShiftPlusOne> 5W and half of that is the ethernet/usb chip
[20:20] <masafumi_ohta> Checking ModmyPI website we can buy model A.
[20:20] <ShiftPlusOne> 1w?
[20:21] <mjr> robots yes and other battery-operated use cases
[20:21] <ShiftPlusOne> modmypi charge a silly amount and all they do is resell, so I am not a fan.
[20:21] <KiltedPi^> Say, for example you want to make a robot that eats garden slugs, and uses them as a power source.
[20:21] <mjr> or solar or whatnot that people have been wanting to do
[20:21] <KiltedPi^> or solar. Pft. I'd got with slug-powered robot tho... whatever. :)
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[20:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, I take back my criticism of modmypi. They sell it with the case and some people charge more than the cost of a pi just for a case. Considering that, they're adding some value and not just scalping like some other stores.
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[20:50] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi^, there are already robots that eat garden slugs -they're called ducks.
[20:50] <chithead> and hedgehogs
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[20:51] <gordonDrogon> but rare round here, sadly. I'd love a 'hog in my garden.
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> my chickens don't eat slugs unfortunately. Hm. they didn't eve eat the wurm I threw at them earlier today. stupid chickens.
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[20:54] <gordonDrogon> Hm. apparently not: http://thehedgehog.co.uk/diet.htm
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[20:58] <Grievar> can you buy reversed pots? Or does the pin orientation always correspond with the direction of turning in a specific way?
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[20:59] <gordonDrogon> cross the wires over.
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[21:08] <adeus> are there any case designs out there that are bigger than the board?
[21:09] <adeus> I'd like to enclose usb stuff inside
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[21:11] <Grievar> gordonDrogon: this is for a single-sided board... I guess I could just flip the pot over
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[21:39] <gordonDrogon> Grievar, you could always reverse it in software.
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[21:47] <frikinz> Hey. Anyone knows if there is any progress about rtl8192cu for wifi dongles to be able to do AP mode?
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[22:06] <martk100> Has anyone managed to get a touchscreen working on xbmc yet?
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[22:22] <n2deep> hey does anyone know about netbsd on the rapsberry pi? Is the current netbsd development port a soft float or hard float?
[22:22] <n2deep> ...As seen is this post here: http://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/netbsd_6_1_release_candidate
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> why not try it - it says "nearly full support" ...
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[22:28] <n2deep> gordonDrogon: yes, I'm planning on giving it a shot, just was looking for more info
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[22:31] <gordonDrogon> n2deep, I've not used any *bsd for over 15 years now.... Not sure I have any enthusiasm to try it again...
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[22:32] <n2deep> recent netbsd releases are pretty slick, and seem very stable
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[22:33] <gordonDrogon> I used freebsd and bsdi - they were stable 15 years ago - I don't see why they'd not be now though... I just lack the enthusiasm for them now..
[22:34] <n2deep> you can easily get a free shell account to play with on a netbsd machine at SDF
[22:36] <exangel> greetings, i'm new to pi. logged in from mine :)
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[22:37] <exangel> i am loving tweaking raspbian and the very low power draw. i'm just having a little trouble getting my monitor to properly suspend
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> n2deep, don't need it - got shell onna Pi :)
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[22:39] <n2deep> gordonDrogon: yes, for sure!
[22:40] <exangel> i've not found what i'm looking so far on forums but i have an ASUS DVI/HDMI 1080p monitor and i've used a manually defined mode so the screen doesn't blank/flicker
[22:41] <n2deep> exangel: Are you sure you don't have a bad cable?
[22:41] <exangel> i installed xscreensaver and the screen standby/suspend/poweroff options do show up
[22:41] <exangel> I can definitely try a HQ cable but i'm using a short one currently
[22:42] <exangel> I'll come back after the swap =)
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[22:50] <exangel> would "blank screen only" mode go directly to dpm? is there away to instantly initiate standby or suspend?
[22:51] <exangel> Oh, "quick power-off" should do it
[22:52] <exangel> no dice, my gold plated HDMI cable hasn't changed things. the screen goes black but doesn't suspend/standby/off and the backlight is still on
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[22:52] <n2deep> exangel: well it was worth a shot, easy enough to rule out
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[22:55] <exangel> this is pretty much the one thing that's in the way of my hopes of running it 24/7 >.> the monitor's power draw when idle
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[22:55] <anli_> raspbmc update problems url?
[22:56] <anli_> I have a "relax xbmc will restart shortly, press esc key for command line" loop
[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> try #raspbmc if you don't get an answer here
[22:58] <n2deep> exangel: Are you running Raspbian?
[22:59] <exangel> i'm going to try reverting to a full autodetect for my screen in config.txt
[22:59] <exangel> yes
[22:59] <n2deep> exangel: Have you asked around in #raspbian ?
[22:59] <exangel> d'oh
[22:59] <exangel> is this a good network for that?
[22:59] <exangel> or the best i mean XD
[23:00] <n2deep> its worth a shot, ask plugwash in #raspbian for help
[23:00] <exangel> okay
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[23:08] <KiltedPi> Weird.
[23:08] <KiltedPi> I had to re-register for my irc nick
[23:08] <KiltedPi> anyway-
[23:08] <KiltedPi> I've got folder upon folder of pi projects now to be undertaken!
[23:08] <KiltedPi> muahuha!
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[23:14] <Lartza8> Does (re-?)compiling the RPi kernel hold any benefits? Imo the git kernel should be as optimized as there is but maybe it's just me :)
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[23:19] <ShiftPlusOne> It's not about optimization, but enablind features your might need that are missing. Most people don't need to do that.
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[23:21] <Lartza8> ShiftPlusOne: How about disabling features? Is there any room for that?
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[23:22] <Lartza8> I might just try it for the fun anyways, just wondering because I am too tired to do it tonight :)
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> I often compile kernels for my desktop/laptops & servers...
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> I've done one for the Pi - some time back, but I gave up on later ones.
[23:22] <ShiftPlusOne> there is, but not to a point where you'd see a performance difference.
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[23:23] <gordonDrogon> I was after more memory - and achieved that. Simply by not compiling it most of the stuff that seems to be there that I'll never use - wifi, bluetooth, lots of usb drivers, etc.
[23:23] <Lartza8> ShiftPlusOne: Yeah well didn't expect much :) Big distro kernels have so much... precious things ;) that you can make them a lot leaner
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[23:23] <gordonDrogon> it does annoy me now that ipv6 isn't compiled in though!
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[23:24] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
[23:24] <Lartza8> gordonDrogon: Oh yeah, that kind of stuff is of no value to me too
[23:24] <Lartza8> I'll probably try it at least once, because why not ;)
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[23:25] <ShiftPlusOne> It's not too different to compiling a normal kernel. The only difference is that you need to specify the arch and cross-compiler prefix
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[23:25] <Lartza8> ShiftPlusOne: Unless I compile on the Pi? :P
[23:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Is there enough memory to compile the kernel on a pi?
[23:26] <Lartza8> Why not? 512 is plenty and 256 should be enough too
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[23:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I think you're right. It is going to take hell of a lot longer though.
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[23:27] <Lartza8> ShiftPlusOne: iirc I read somewhere it's around 6 hours
[23:27] <ShiftPlusOne> jesus
[23:27] <Lartza8> ShiftPlusOne: I've done worse :P
[23:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Why not compile on your main pc then?
[23:27] <Lartza8> ShiftPlusOne: P4 Desktop compiling Firefox with PGO ;) That took at least 12 hours
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[23:27] <Lartza8> ShiftPlusOne: I have time
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[23:27] <Lartza8> Also I run Windows...
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[23:28] <Lartza8> Since I can't use Linux ;( (Gaming)
[23:28] <ShiftPlusOne> I think you could download and install virtualbox, a linux distro, set up a cross-compiler, download and compile the kernel a few times in the time it would take you to compile on the pi >_<
[23:29] <Lartza8> ShiftPlusOne: Yeah I could :D I have vmware :)
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[23:30] <pksato> I think, that is possible to do cross Compling on windows.
[23:30] <Lartza8> pksato: Ugh yes but god no :D
[23:30] <ShiftPlusOne> it is
[23:30] <Lartza8> mingw or something I think
[23:30] <ShiftPlusOne> I just would bother though
[23:30] <ShiftPlusOne> *wouldn't
[23:30] <Lartza8> Yeah I am NOT going to be doing any other compiling on Windows except with an IDE, like VS or NetBeans :)
[23:31] <pksato> but, need to buy very expensive dev. tools. :)
[23:31] <ShiftPlusOne> you don't
[23:31] <Lartza8> pksato: NetBeans is free, VS Express is free
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[23:32] <Lartza8> Currently I have VS2012 Express since I've done some dumb C# and C++ programs with it :)
[23:32] <Lartza8> And I needed to compile something... can't remember what
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[23:33] <simonlc> Has quake world been made to work on the raspi yet?
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[23:38] <Lartza8> simonlc: Can't say that it has
[23:39] <Lartza8> I am off to bed now, good night
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[23:41] <gordonDrogon> the last kerlel I compiled on the Pi took just over 2 hours - but it was a minimal kernel - no modules at all.
[23:42] <KiltedPi> gordon, you're an electronics jedi-
[23:42] <KiltedPi> Any advice for my 1st leap into hacking I2C
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[23:42] <KiltedPi> I've got an integrated chipset in the mail- a 'lightning detector' circuit
[23:43] <KiltedPi> it uses I2C and SPI-
[23:43] <KiltedPi> I've located the datasheet, I understand C
[23:43] <KiltedPi> But!
[23:43] <KiltedPi> I dunno about registers. this is virgin territory for me
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[23:43] <KiltedPi> quite exviting
[23:44] <pksato> KiltedPi: start with simple i2c device, like memory,
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> you could use my I2C and SPI libraries from C if you want...
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> makes it a little easier to use
[23:44] <mgottschlag> isn't bad to try raw hardware programming though :)
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[23:45] <gordonDrogon> they don't poke the hardware registers at all (who wants to do that these days for SPI & I2C??) but use the standard Linux kernel interfaces.
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> where's the datasheet to your device? odd that it might use both I2C to SPI just to detect lightening...
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[23:52] <Syliss> cool, friend gave me a 4gb ssd express card. now to decide which linux to install...
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian :)
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[23:55] <Syliss> yeah??? cause that will run on my mbp
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[23:57] <Syliss> its a express card 34 which would require usb adapter for my pi
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