#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-03-03

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[0:03] <gordonDrogon> debian testing/wheezy then - same as the Pi ..
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> (well same as raspbian)
[0:07] <KiltedPi> Apologies!
[0:08] <KiltedPi> Everytime I chat with you gordon, my missus nicks my laptop
[0:08] <KiltedPi> one sec! Datasheet
[0:08] <gordonDrogon> :)
[0:08] <KiltedPi> on
[0:08] <KiltedPi> http://www1.futureelectronics.com/doc/AUSTRIAMICROSYSTEMS/AS3935.pdf
[0:08] <KiltedPi> There we go!
[0:09] <KiltedPi> So you've got some good library for reverse engineering and doing stuff like that in C?
[0:09] <KiltedPi> I'm not as great in C as I am in Java and Python and stuff
[0:09] <KiltedPi> but the fundamentals are always the same :)_
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> I have some 'helpers' in C for SPI and I2C.
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> they just make it a little simpler to use.
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> I don't need to reverse engineer the Pi - I use the standard Linux kernel SPI and I2C drivers and functions.
[0:10] <KiltedPi> I saw a thing on youtube about a woman who hacked tamagotchis
[0:10] <KiltedPi> no no, not the pi
[0:10] <KiltedPi> reverse engineer chipsets
[0:10] <KiltedPi> -with- the pi :)
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> ok - that chip is either I2C /or/ SPI - not both.
[0:10] <KiltedPi> I2C roger that.
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> don't need to reverse engineer when you get the datasheet :)
[0:11] <KiltedPi> I'd like to learn reverse engineering tho, and this kind of familiarity, the bridge between hardware and software is awesome
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> neat little chip that - doesn't look too hard to setup and use either.
[0:13] <mgottschlag> KiltedPi: you should have worked with hardware before you try reverse engineering
[0:14] <KiltedPi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOJfUcCOhJ0
[0:14] <KiltedPi> :)
[0:14] <Syliss> id have to do a lean install gordonDrogon since its only 4gb (3.5~)
[0:14] <mgottschlag> otherwise reverse engineering quickly becomes much more frustrating than it already usually is
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> Syliss, do a 'netinst' in advanced text-only mode - that'll get a minimum system in about 2GB.
[0:16] <Syliss> maybe, not really into text-only tho
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> Hm. now why has my PiFace stopped reading.
[0:16] <Syliss> might do pup just for fun
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> Syliss, after thatthen you can install some X stuff - that's how I usually install Debian - else you end up with a hige bloat of gnome or something )-:
[0:17] <Syliss> yeah
[0:17] <Syliss> lxde would be fine
[0:17] <geshy> newby question: does anybody have experience getting emulation station's menu working with an xbox 360 controller?
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[0:20] <KiltedPi> I dunno mgottschlagg, I've a great deal of experience coding. In my experience, you usually have hardware experience or you are a softie
[0:21] <KiltedPi> Where hardware nuts might find electronics hard to reverse engineer would be the code-
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[0:21] <KiltedPi> And vice versa. A softie will struggle with the solder iron!
[0:22] <mgottschlag> yeah, I didn't mean electronics, I rather meant low level programming, that wasn't worded well :)
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> I don't struggle with a soldering iron - yet I consider myself a programmer...
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> it's just another tool...
[0:23] <mgottschlag> as in, "I dunno about registers. this is virgin territory for me"
[0:23] <KiltedPi> yep
[0:23] <KiltedPi> I'm a computer network engineer by trade you see.
[0:23] <mgottschlag> you need to know the basics, otherwise you just don't know where to start ^^
[0:24] <KiltedPi> registers in regard to I2c
[0:24] <KiltedPi> not like, hex addresses in a register
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[0:24] <KiltedPi> I've never taken a datasheet,-
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[0:25] <gordonDrogon> most I2C devices have internal registers.
[0:25] <KiltedPi> and tried to decipher -
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> they're numbered.
[0:25] <mgottschlag> anyways, I think we have quite some easy reverse engineering challenges in the rpi GPU left if you want some
[0:25] <A124> VMware sucks
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> so you send a command over the I2C bus 'read this register' or 'write this value into this register'
[0:25] <KiltedPi> I'm gonna hack up this lightning detector.
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> they're just like variables in a program.
[0:25] <KiltedPi> its a really wee Integrated circuit
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[0:25] <A124> Talking about virtual Linux the fastest way is VirtualBox without UI and SSH
[0:25] <KiltedPi> seemed like a pretty good place to start
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest soldering it into a circuit first ..
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[0:25] <KiltedPi> Hah! I was going to gordon!
[0:26] <gordonDrogon> or buy it on a breakout board if there is one.
[0:26] <KiltedPi> Seemed like hard work! So bought one for twenty quid!
[0:26] <gordonDrogon> a breakout board?
[0:26] <KiltedPi> one sec:
[0:26] <KiltedPi> g about virtual Linux the fastest way is VirtualBox w
[0:26] <KiltedPi> ((ignore
[0:26] <KiltedPi> https://tindie.com/shops/TAUTIC/as3935-lightning-sensor-board/
[0:26] <KiltedPi> That there
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[0:27] <KiltedPi> I2C output in the datasheet
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[0:27] <gordonDrogon> yea, certianly makes it easier.
[0:27] <KiltedPi> :)
[0:27] <KiltedPi> I might do that though, get some PCB's made for the local youth club.
[0:28] <KiltedPi> I've got a great deal of project ideas. folders of them. literally
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[0:28] <gordonDrogon> go for it.
[0:28] <KiltedPi> :D
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> my little ladder board seemed to go down well.
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> and that was fairly simple.
[0:28] <KiltedPi> Its all pretty exciting. Most people spend their weekends-
[0:28] <KiltedPi> Oh yeah!
[0:28] <KiltedPi> Gratz on making the magpi!
[0:28] <KiltedPi> or main page on main website-
[0:29] <KiltedPi> I forget! I saw your name - I was like "He's famous!"
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> if you say so... I'm just this guy, you know?
[0:29] <KiltedPi> Viper-7 helped me alot in this chat room too actually, as well as you. You've been v.helpful too
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[0:29] <KiltedPi> Silly things. like what the ACT light actually means :)
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> cheers.
[0:30] <A124> Any idea if Firefox PGO will help any on Pi?
[0:30] <KiltedPi> I've heard chrome is not bad
[0:30] <A124> Or the optimisations is already well?
[0:30] <KiltedPi> firefox is very memory hungry
[0:30] <A124> Thanks for the tip. I'll try.. though I'm used with FF
[0:30] <KiltedPi> and has security faults. (Windows users)
[0:30] <KiltedPi> Midori ain't bad really.
[0:31] <A124> I want to be compatible, and extensible
[0:31] <KiltedPi> Firefox is a memory nightmare in truth
[0:31] <A124> I'm heavy FF user.
[0:31] <A124> Humm.
[0:31] <KiltedPi> I use chrome/firefox yeah
[0:31] <KiltedPi> but with 512mg RAM, its better to be lean
[0:32] <A124> Chrome is bull for me.. tried it.. not good. I'm poweruser of browser. Also.. I have 256.. Gotta get sth faster or sth else.
[0:32] <A124> Any ideas of a good board better in perf than Pi?
[0:33] <mgottschlag> odroid? not as flexible as the pi though
[0:33] <KiltedPi> And the size of a pi?
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> A124, Pi isn't a general purpose desktop replacement - it can be used in some circumstances though. You just want an ordinary 'PC' for your desktop by the sounds of it.
[0:34] <gordonDrogon> if you want low-power look at Atom based systems.
[0:34] <KiltedPi> Its primary purpose is robotz!
[0:34] <KiltedPi> :D
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[0:34] <gordonDrogon> take 2 asprins and go to bed. it'll be better in the morning.
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[0:35] <Mensch-Maschine_> Does anyone knows how to install a headless XBMC?
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[0:36] <A124> Yeah I'm aware of that on Pi. My focus is not as computer replacement. But to try it trhrough out and have sth really neat and yet still usable. I'm more looking for ARM than x86.
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[0:45] <ShiftPlusOne> A124, pcduino looks interesting as well.
[0:45] <sam_nazarko> hello
[0:46] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
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[0:53] <ShiftPlusOne> KiltedPi, are you actually planning on building a robot or just think that it's a good idea?
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[1:07] <Scriven> just realised I can use all the LED/switches I've harvested from dead pc's over the years. lol! Someone yesterday was using a switch for something, which kicked my butt into remembering. ;)
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[1:14] <fr0g911> howdy
[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne> 'ey
[1:14] <fr0g911> there you are
[1:15] <fr0g911> lol
[1:16] <fr0g911> well i was going out of town to see my family but guess not got another big job installing ipcams at two places
[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> =(
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[1:30] <A124> ShiftPlusOne: Thank you! pcduino is exactly the opposite I was expecting.. but.. in sensory aplications it could have enormous advantage. Thanks a lot
[1:31] <Scriven> i'd never heard of it either, looks kinda cool actually.
[1:31] <Scriven> All this hackable-for-newbs hardware FTW!
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[1:33] <ShiftPlusOne> np, I am thinking of getting one myself, but probably shouldn't just yet.
[1:34] <A124> It's looks excelent in few ways: Arduino with on the fly coding ability, highspeed/complex calculations, using the same station for dev as the actual HW
[1:35] <A124> ShiftPlusOne: Any more suggestions welcome, hehe.
[1:35] <Scriven> lol! +1 to that
[1:36] * Scriven sings "Situation no win, Rush for the change of atmosphere!"
[1:36] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not too into these dev boards myself, but if you catch Reggie, you might want to ask him. He seems to always be working with some dev board or other.
[1:37] <A124> OK, thanks.
[1:37] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.friendlyarm.net/products/mini210s is the one he was working with last
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[1:40] <Scriven> Do you know of anyone working on an odriod ShiftPlusOne ? that little korean beauty looks cool-as too. ;)
[1:40] <A124> Ugh.. not sure about the board.. but for Android it looks quite good
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[1:40] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
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[1:43] <Scriven> Have an LED question. Since the gpio sends 3.3V (measured just now at 3.25), is a resistor necessary to prevent smoking the leds?
[1:43] * Scriven is full of ..... questions today. ;)
[1:43] <Wil5on> yes
[1:43] <Wil5on> well, um
[1:43] <Wil5on> youre more likely to smoke the arm chip than the led
[1:43] <A124> Yes.. current limiting
[1:44] <Wil5on> well, whats absolutely most likely, is youre hitting the current limit on the arm outputs, so youre not going to kill anything
[1:44] <Wil5on> but you ought to use a resistor
[1:44] <Wil5on> and cap it to 10mA or something
[1:44] <Scriven> AH, so it's not the voltage drop that's strictly necessary, but it's for current limits?
[1:44] <Scriven> this is complicated b/c I don't actually know the ratings for the harvested-from-pc-cases leds. ;)
[1:45] <Wil5on> if you exceed the current limit of the chip it should drop the voltage, at least thats what happens on avrs
[1:45] <Wil5on> you shouldnt be doing that though
[1:45] <Wil5on> for pc case leds, theyre probably your standard max 20mA leds
[1:45] <Wil5on> but 10mA will light them up
[1:45] <plugwash> when working with random LEDs assume a voltage of 2V and a current of 10mA and you will generally be fine
[1:46] <Wil5on> another tip, run the led from +3.3v to the output, and drive the output low to turn on the led
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[1:46] <Wil5on> as low side drivers can handle more current, generally
[1:47] <Scriven> OIC... i kind of understand what all that means in practice. lol ;)
[1:47] <plugwash> so to run off 3.3V that would mean a resistor value of (3.3-2.0)/0.01 = 130 ohms
[1:47] <Wil5on> yes
[1:47] <Scriven> plugwash, there's a website that does the calculations as well, do you have the url handy (anyone), or should I just google?
[1:47] <Wil5on> consider that a minimum resistance
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[1:48] * plugwash just did the sums in his head
[1:48] <Wil5on> yeah its just voltage difference divided by current
[1:48] <Scriven> and given the logarithmic nature of the human eye, 1/2 brightness in actuality only looks minimally 'darker' than full, from my reading...
[1:48] <ShiftPlusOne> from gordon's led tutorial... "alculating the resistor value is not difficult but for now, just use anything from 270?? to 330??. Anything higher will make the LED dimmer." https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/gpio-examples-1-a-single-led/
[1:49] <Wil5on> yes theres not really an easy relationship between current and apparent brightness
[1:49] <Scriven> ShiftPlusOne, ah, thought I had read that on gordonDrogon's page somewhere, tyvm!
[1:49] <Wil5on> but there is for pwm, so use that to change your brightness
[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> you're welcome
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[1:51] <Scriven> plugwash, (Original-voltage - desired-voltage) / desired amperage == resistor value in ohms? is that correct?
[1:51] <Scriven> my ancient brain is slowly remembering this make-my-brain-hurt stuff. ;)
[1:51] <ShiftPlusOne> V=IR , R=V/I
[1:51] <plugwash> Scriven, right
[1:52] <fr0g911> my eyes hurt watching yall talk about it
[1:52] <Scriven> It's been 20 years since I last did any of this stuff, and that was the engineering (therefore backwards calculus) version. high school closer to 25 years. ;)
[1:52] <Scriven> uni. really screwed me when they appeared to swap the math backwards.
[1:52] <Scriven> I got it in highschool ok! ;)
[1:53] <ShiftPlusOne> surely ohm's law should be fairly easy to understand... O_o
[1:53] <Scriven> ShiftPlusOne, yes, those basics are familiar now that I see them again. But I'm also getting them a bit mixed up with the uni. level calculus, as I said. As well as the fog-of-time. ;)
[1:53] <ShiftPlusOne> and kirchoff's laws in that case as well
[1:54] <plugwash> afaict where people screwup is using the wrong voltage or the wrong current in their calculations
[1:54] <Scriven> so instead of ground-gpio and use High, do power-gpio and use low, so the led will start lit (since the pins start at low)?
[1:55] <ShiftPlusOne> that's right, that way you sink current to turn the LED on.
[1:55] <plugwash> I thought the pins started floating
[1:55] <Scriven> floating == null-ish, no useful value?
[1:55] <ShiftPlusOne> oh right, I actually have no idea how they start.
[1:55] * Scriven wipes the blood from his ears. :P
[1:56] <plugwash> "floating" means neither trying to drive low or trying to drive high
[1:56] <Scriven> now I need to dig up my box of breadboards and other 'useful stuff', from where ever I've stashed it. lol
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[1:57] <plugwash> which if you are going to use a pin as an input is what you want
[1:57] <plugwash> and it's also the safest state for a pin to be in so it's usually the state they are in at power up
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[1:59] <Scriven> I meant after I initialize it to 'out' (led would be out even when driving 'low', as it's not an input still I'd assume?)
[1:59] * Scriven hopes he doesn't sound like too much of a moron. lol
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[2:00] <plugwash> in general it's considered best practice to set the state of a line to what you want before making it an output
[2:00] <jeanseb23> Hello everyone!
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[2:00] <ShiftPlusOne> hello, jeanseb23
[2:00] <plugwash> I don't know if all the GPIO libraries for the Pi are well designed enough to allow that though
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[2:02] <Scriven> plugwash, the method used when using the python library are: GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BOARD) then GPIO.setup(ledPin, GPIO.OUT ), that's why I asked, if that helps any.
[2:03] <Scriven> plugwash, for reference (my modified blinky.py script): http://pastebin.com/DzAZPEne
[2:03] <Scriven> which represents my entire experience w/ gpio 'stuff'. lol
[2:04] <ShiftPlusOne> that reminds me I should be blinking LEDs on the STM32
[2:04] * ShiftPlusOne gets back to work
[2:04] * Scriven cracks the whip on ShiftPlusOne !!! ;)
[2:04] <ShiftPlusOne> D=
[2:04] * plugwash hasn't used the python stuff but thinks that any GPIO library that doesn't let you set the pin state before making the pin an output is a peice of rubbish
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[2:05] <Scriven> so theoretically I should be able to switch those 2 commands around, and set as output before it's 'mode' is chosen?
[2:05] <Scriven> I can certainly try and see what happens.
[2:06] <Scriven> and voila: RPi.GPIO.ModeNotSetException: Please set mode using GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BOARD) or GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BCM)
[2:06] <Scriven> no dice.
[2:06] <jeanseb23> Hey anyone have any luck getting the Wi-Pi to work on xbian?
[2:06] <Scriven> perhaps I can divide the setmode into 2 sub-commands tho, so don't assume this is the library, it could just be how it was taught to me.
[2:07] <plugwash> The "setmode" command sets how you reffer to the pins so that needs to be first
[2:08] <plugwash> but if the library is sanely designed then it should be possible to do "GPIO.output(ledPin,<value>)" before "GPIO.setup(ledPin, GPIO.OUT )" (note: i'm not saying if the library is sanely designed or not, I dunno because I didn't write it)
[2:08] <Scriven> yeah, just noticed that myself...
[2:08] <Scriven> oic, ok...
[2:09] <Scriven> Now, b/c of how I'm using the leds, that would make the script a bit more complicated, as all the blinking is either conditional or wrapped in functions.
[2:10] <Scriven> but I could certainly do up a little test script. ;)
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[2:11] <Scriven> AH, b/c it's driven using the gpio.output command, it has to be set as output b4 the state can be set.
[2:11] <Scriven> test failed.
[2:12] <Scriven> at least test #1, see previous comments about my general ignorance of this stuff still. ;)
[2:13] <Scriven> "RPi.GPIO.WrongDirectionException: The GPIO channel has not been set up as an OUTPUT"
[2:13] <masafumi_ohta> jeanseb23 have you checked http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=28327&p=261587
[2:14] <jeanseb23> Yes
[2:15] * Scriven has never used a wi-pi, sorry.
[2:15] <masafumi_ohta> well latest Cheap wi-fi based on Ralink or Realtek works out of the box on latest Rasbian.
[2:15] <jeanseb23> I bought a powered usb hub, and I know that the chipset is now RT5370 (Weird, previously it was identified as a RT2870)
[2:15] <jeanseb23> I asked for Xbian
[2:15] <jeanseb23> Based on Raspbian, but it's not working
[2:16] <jeanseb23> It only detects eth0 and not wlan0
[2:16] <sam_nazarko> it works in raspbmc
[2:16] <jeanseb23> It seems to not have the drivers for 5370
[2:16] <jeanseb23> Really? Man they updated stuff
[2:16] <sam_nazarko> I did, yes.
[2:16] <sam_nazarko> pretty much all realtek sticks work
[2:16] <jeanseb23> Tried to make it work in raspbmc a few months ago, didn't work. Finally bought a usb hub, but since I didn't update it didn't work
[2:16] <masafumi_ohta> oh sorry I now using Realtek-based wifi it works out of the box.
[2:17] <sam_nazarko> jeanseb23: a lot changed.
[2:17] <jeanseb23> So I put Xbian on it instead, lots of trouble to make it work
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[2:17] <sam_nazarko> Now you can install over WiFi (you know how it needs a networkconnection to load)
[2:17] <sam_nazarko> Are you a windows guy?
[2:17] <jeanseb23> I'm a mac guy
[2:17] <sam_nazarko> Thatll work
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[2:17] <sam_nazarko> fetch the latest installer from raspbmc.com/download, you can setup wifi before you even put the SD in
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[2:17] <jeanseb23> ok
[2:18] <sam_nazarko> and the OS will download and set itself up without you even needing a network cable
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[2:18] <sam_nazarko> I don't idle here alot (in fact this is my first time), but I do sit in #raspbmc or you can chat on the forum
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[2:18] <jeanseb23> Ok thanks
[2:18] <sam_nazarko> welcome
[2:19] <sam_nazarko> our network settings are configurable right from XBMC
[2:19] <jeanseb23> Ok I'm installing it right now
[2:19] <Scriven> jeanseb23, are you sure it's not the hub? I had one that seemed to work, but was underpowering ports other than the 1 closest to the power input.
[2:19] <sam_nazarko> excellent. let me know how it goes
[2:20] <jeanseb23> Scriven: We'll see if it doesn't work with raspbmc
[2:20] <fr0g911> i've also had that problem Scriven
[2:20] <sam_nazarko> it'll work ;)
[2:20] <jeanseb23> But it seemed to lack the rt5370 drivers when I checked
[2:20] <jeanseb23> only had 2800
[2:20] <sam_nazarko> hmm
[2:20] <Scriven> So I'm plugging wifi and bluetooth in directly, and it's all stable-as now.
[2:21] <sam_nazarko> A lot of changes to raspbmc in the last few months
[2:21] <Scriven> fr0g911, how long did it take you to diagnose? Took me like 2 hours of hair-pulling this-used-to-work-WTH frustration. ;)
[2:21] <sam_nazarko> You can install to USB/Sd/NFS just from the installer
[2:21] <Scriven> I just did a reinstall w/ the release of 1.0, and holy cow it was SO much nicer.
[2:21] <fr0g911> yeah i love the new raspbmc goodwork
[2:21] <sam_nazarko> cheers
[2:21] <Scriven> different to the point of 'is this correct', but blam, no problems!
[2:21] <sam_nazarko> a lot of hard work went into it, from a lot of people
[2:22] <Scriven> TY sam_nazarko, excellent work to you and the rest!
[2:22] <sam_nazarko> you're welcome
[2:22] <fr0g911> i can tell and the new pi 512 works wonders on it
[2:22] <sam_nazarko> by the way if you guys need raspbmc support our forum or #raspbmc is the place-to-go
[2:22] <sam_nazarko> although i'll be here more often now.
[2:22] <sam_nazarko> fr0g911: 256 board is not bad on it either
[2:22] <jeanseb23> Btw, are you like one of the creators of raspbmc? xD
[2:22] <Scriven> sam_nazarko, i keep forgetting to log back in there, since I need to delay my auto-reconnect until after /identify. ;)
[2:22] <sam_nazarko> project leader
[2:23] <sam_nazarko> there is one other developer who works directly on XBMC
[2:23] <Scriven> It's not bad on my 256, certainly comparable to WiiMC (my other media player ;) )
[2:23] <sam_nazarko> The other guys who help are XBMC or RPF guys.
[2:23] <fr0g911> i was trying like 5 hours to get roms to work and still nothing
[2:23] <sam_nazarko> fr0g911: someone has got a ROM Collection Browser to work i think. I know nothing of these ROMs though
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[2:24] <fr0g911> yea thats what i was using lol
[2:24] <sam_nazarko> Scriven: 512 is definitely an improvement
[2:24] <jeanseb23> Nice
[2:24] <masafumi_ohta> thanks noticing sam_nazrko now adding the #raspbmc channel.
[2:24] <fr0g911> when does the 2gb ddr ver come out
[2:24] <sam_nazarko> lol
[2:24] <sam_nazarko> ask popcornmix
[2:24] <sam_nazarko> or eben, he's been revealing too much lately
[2:24] <fr0g911> kik
[2:25] <Scriven> sam_nazarko, Oh I'm sure, but I placed my order as soon as I could, and received them literally a week b4 the 512 free upgrade was announced! lol
[2:26] <fr0g911> there was a free upgrade?
[2:26] <fr0g911> where was i
[2:26] <Scriven> yeah, original was 256MB for $35, then it was upped to 512.
[2:26] <sam_nazarko> :/
[2:26] <sam_nazarko> and the A was supposed to 128MB
[2:26] <fr0g911> ShiftPlusOne you didnt call me and inform me of this
[2:27] <Scriven> It was frustrating, but then again I now have 'rare' Rev 1 B's to sell if I want. ;) And an excuse to buy more Pis! lol
[2:27] <sam_nazarko> lol
[2:27] <sam_nazarko> rare..
[2:27] <Scriven> SHHH!!!!! ;)
[2:27] <fr0g911> lol
[2:27] <Scriven> there was _only_ half a million or whatever it was!
[2:27] <masafumi_ohta> lol
[2:28] <ShiftPlusOne> fr0g911, what? O_o
[2:28] <Scriven> and it's not like they're being made anymore, so..... at least in ebay speak it's rare! ;)
[2:28] <fr0g911> i have two
[2:28] <sam_nazarko> I only have 256 ones
[2:28] <Scriven> ShiftPlusOne, you own fr0g911 256MB more. ;p
[2:28] <sam_nazarko> one is rev 1.0
[2:28] <fr0g911> yea pay up lol
[2:28] <sam_nazarko> one is rev 1.1
[2:28] <ShiftPlusOne> sorry, just a sec.
[2:28] <plugwash> I suspect rev 2 boards with 256MB of ram are probablly the rarest of the "production" Pis
[2:28] <ShiftPlusOne> fr0g911, http://downloadmoreram.com/
[2:28] <Scriven> lol!!! FTW!
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[2:29] <plugwash> afaict only the sony factory made them and only for a relatively short time
[2:29] <Scriven> plugwash, yeah, there were only a few of those made from what I've read too.
[2:29] <fr0g911> that site failed to load because of insufficient ram
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[2:29] <jeanseb23_> Back
[2:29] <SirStan> I have a booted rpi, but no diisplay. Is there a way to get access (through ssh?) without a display?
[2:29] <plugwash> Scriven, I suspect it's more like a few tens of thousands
[2:29] <jeanseb23_> had to reboot router, too many settings on it xD
[2:29] <fr0g911> msdos will now reboot
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[2:30] <Scriven> Well, out of a million+, that's few. ;)
[2:30] <fr0g911> thanks to ShiftPlusOne im forced to run windows 3.11
[2:30] <Scriven> fr0g911, LOL! 'insufficient ram' FTW!
[2:30] <sam_nazarko> Windows 3.11 is decent
[2:30] <fr0g911> and trupet winstock wont load
[2:30] <sam_nazarko> or rather, *was* decent
[2:30] <Scriven> SirStan, what OS? Raspbian does load ssh by default, so you just need to know the ip it was given to ssh in.
[2:30] <SirStan> Scriven: whats default creds?
[2:31] <sam_nazarko> pi:raspberry
[2:31] <Scriven> ^^
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[2:31] <SirStan> Was the rev1 rpi 10mb? rev2 is 100?
[2:31] <sam_nazarko> ?
[2:31] <Scriven> SirFunk, both are 10/100
[2:31] <SirStan> I have a rev1, and a rev2.. the rev1 says 10mb on the led.
[2:31] <SirStan> rev2 says 100
[2:31] <plugwash> yeah the LED on the rev1 was mislabled "10M"
[2:32] <Scriven> OIC didn't know that plugwash. should look at mine.
[2:32] <SirStan> what are the series of 8 pins next to the video port that my rev1 has that the rev2 doesnt?
[2:32] <Scriven> cool, didn't notice that!
[2:32] <jeanseb23> keeps saying wait 8 seconds to
[2:33] <jeanseb23> keeps saying wait 8 seconds for network interface to come up
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[2:33] <plugwash> SirStan, It's the JTAG header for the main SoC
[2:33] <plugwash> It's no use to us mere mortals because there is no documentation but I think it's used for factory programming
[2:33] * Scriven sings: And he's talking to Davy, who's still in the navy, and probably will be for life!
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[2:34] <plugwash> I guess when they brought out the rev2 they switched to using a "bed of nails" rather than fitting the cable and using a header
[2:34] <Scriven> man the piano in this song slays me, wish I could play like that.
[2:34] <plugwash> *fitting the header and using a cable
[2:35] <SirStan> Is the rev2 faster than the rev1?
[2:35] <SirStan> or am i just using a faster sd card
[2:35] <SirStan> it seems considerably faster
[2:35] <Scriven> SirStan, should be the same clockspeed IIRC.
[2:35] <piney> the JTAG header pins weren't even supposed to be on rev1 pi's the foundation forgot to take it out of the build sheet or something like that when they went to mfg
[2:35] <Scriven> SD card speeds to matter to a certain point, from my reading.
[2:35] <Scriven> s/to/do/
[2:36] <SirStan> Scriven: hugely so.. my last boot i used some crummy card.. this is a highspeed card.. its SHOCKINGLY different
[2:36] <Scriven> although not beyond class 10, I think was mentioned, b/c of some hardware stuff I don't yet understand.
[2:36] <plugwash> piney, that was the GPIO pins, afaict they have never said anything about whether the JTAG pins were to be fitted or not
[2:36] <piney> plugwash, ahh, my mistake
[2:41] <plugwash> anyone else here play moon-buggy?
[2:42] <Scriven> plugwash, have played some versions, but not for ages. If it's the same one I'm thinking of.
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[2:43] <Scriven> "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight. Got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight."
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[2:50] <plugwash> http://www.seehuhn.de/pages/moon-buggy <-- this is the game i'm talking about
[2:50] <jeanseb23> phy1 -> rt2x00usb_vendor_request: Error - Vendor Request 0x06 failed for offset 0xYYYY with error -110.
[2:50] <jeanseb23> Stuck on that
[2:50] <Scriven> yeah, once in a while I'll play it. Reminds me of playing the original moon patrol, well, maybe not original but old.
[2:51] <jeanseb23> YYYY keeps changing
[2:55] <ShiftPlusOne> jeanseb23, have you asked that same question yesterday or a few days ago?
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[2:56] <sam_nazarko> You need to check your power supply
[2:56] <jeanseb23> No
[2:56] <jeanseb23> just came on today
[2:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Looks familiar, I'll check the logs, maybe someone has answered that.
[2:56] <jeanseb23> I haven't been on here since months xD
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[2:57] <jeanseb23> The power supply for the RPi or the usb hub?
[2:57] <ShiftPlusOne> nope, my mistake. different problem, just similar wording.
[2:57] <sam_nazarko> I would measure, with a multimeter
[2:57] <sam_nazarko> the voltage between tp1-tp2
[2:57] <Scriven> jeanseb23, is it still plugged into the powered hub? And if so, have you tried w/ it plugged in directly to pi?
[2:58] <Scriven> that could be another issue, as I mentioned b4. The usb hubs are tricky w/ the pi.
[2:58] <jeanseb23> It's in the usb hub, I'll try with it in the pi
[2:59] <Scriven> yeah, if that makes it work, also try other ports on the hub, closer to the power-in port. as I mentioned and fr0g911 said too, we've had problems like that w/ hubs that aren't properly powered.
[3:00] <Scriven> "I don't want a pickle, I just want to ride my motorcycle."
[3:01] <piney> love the arlo guthrie quite
[3:01] <Scriven> ;)
[3:01] <piney> <-- saw him in concert a little over a year ago
[3:01] <jeanseb23> Well there isn't really a port closer to the power in port??? The power port is on the back, and all of the ports are in the front
[3:02] <Scriven> jeanseb23, there may be trace-wise tho, so if it works direct in pi but you still need hub, try other ports. it may work in another one.
[3:02] <jeanseb23> Btw it's a Wi-Pi, so supposed to be RT5370
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[3:03] <ShiftPlusOne> have you checked the voltage on the pi? That's a good way to rule out the most common problems.
[3:03] <sam_nazarko> indeed
[3:03] <sam_nazarko> tp1,tp2
[3:03] <jeanseb23> I don't know what setting to put the voltmeter to
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[3:04] <ShiftPlusOne> The lowest value above 5v
[3:04] <ShiftPlusOne> If there is a '20' then that.
[3:04] <jeanseb23> ok got the 20
[3:04] <Scriven> dc voltage, of course. ;)
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[3:06] <jeanseb23> 5.04
[3:06] <ShiftPlusOne> that's good
[3:06] <Scriven> What's the lowest acceptable reading for that BTW?
[3:06] <ShiftPlusOne> a stable 5.04?
[3:06] <jeanseb23> Goes to 5.05 sometimes
[3:06] <Scriven> I've never measured mine as I don't have problems that seem to say it's a problem, just curious? Is there a good range?
[3:06] <jeanseb23> but goes back to 5.04
[3:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Scriven, it will vary from pi to pi, but 4.8 is often fine.
[3:07] <ShiftPlusOne> imho anything more than a tenth of a volt is significant though
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[3:08] <Scriven> so you really don't want much less than 4.8 or more than 5.2?
[3:08] <sam_nazarko> indeed
[3:08] <fr0g911> If you have a multimeter better use it to measure the voltage between the two test points on your pi. If its below 5v with your wifi dongle plugged then this is certainly a power supply issue rather than problem with raspbmc.
[3:08] <Scriven> but w/i those 4 tenths it's ok?
[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> 5.2 would be unusual, since there is a zener diode to protect from overvoltage
[3:09] <Scriven> so it should be 5.0 at most hopefully?
[3:09] <SirStan> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/226577_547598301707_1316265563_n.jpg
[3:09] <Scriven> and shouldn't really vary much at all? I should measure the one I'm using for xbmc.
[3:09] <fr0g911> nice
[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Scriven, can't answer with much certainty there
[3:10] <sam_nazarko> xD
[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> SirStan, nicely done.
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[3:11] <jeanseb23> Ok just checked all the process. When it boots, its at 5.16, when it goes to the command line and gives loads of text, it goes to 5.05, when it tries rsa and rda i think, it goes to 5.02, and then when it gives error it goes back to 5.05
[3:11] <Scriven> SirStan, cool! :)
[3:11] <Scriven> which lcd is that SirStan ?
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> jeanseb23, I don't think the power supply is the problem then.
[3:11] <jeanseb23> ok
[3:12] <SirStan> Scriven an ebay i2c for arduino.
[3:12] <Scriven> ah, cool. ty!
[3:12] <jeanseb23> I did notice it talked about a rt2800 driver, but its supposed to be rt5370
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[3:13] <SirStan> Scriven: https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/48127_547598461387_1044630095_n.jpg
[3:13] <fr0g911> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-ralink
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[3:14] <jeanseb23> Oh and btw is it weird that when it wasn't plugged it said there was 0.30V?
[3:15] <jeanseb23> (Maybe the usb hub is giving power to the RPi)
[3:15] <fr0g911> lol
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[3:16] <jeanseb23> I will try sshing into it
[3:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Off the top of my head, could be charged caps or multimeter being wrong, but I just made that up, so probably not.
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[3:20] <Scriven> SirStan, tyvm, will look at it for a project of mine. ;)
[3:20] <fr0g911> hmm life of pi wonder if its about the raspberry
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[3:20] <Scriven> lol! it's not. ;p
[3:20] <fr0g911> lol
[3:20] <Scriven> haven't read it yet, my Mom got me a copy when it first came out.
[3:21] <fr0g911> its like castaway with a lion right
[3:21] <fr0g911> lol
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[3:21] <Scriven> lol, yeah!
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[3:21] <someoneelse> can anyone tell me what i need to boot qemu with a raspbian image, assuming i want the full boot process? i'm guessing i'm a bios/bootloader short?
[3:21] <ShiftPlusOne> someoneelse, you just need a kernel that supports the hardware emulated by qemu
[3:22] <someoneelse> ShiftPlusOne, then i'm passing a -kernel option to qemu, right?
[3:22] <ShiftPlusOne> something has changed in the last raspbian image that doesn't work too well with my qemu set up and I haven't looked into it
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[3:22] <ShiftPlusOne> someoneelse, I wrote a little tutorial here a while back http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/
[3:22] <someoneelse> so the reason i can't just boot the image without crutches is because the hardware emulated by qemu differs from the raspberry pi's enough so that the raspbian kernels don't support it?
[3:23] <someoneelse> yeah, i read that. however, i'm not exactly satisfied with the information in it =)
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[3:23] <ShiftPlusOne> that's pretty much right, yes. Torlus has some patches for qemu that can actually boot the real kernel
[3:23] <jeanseb23> Can't ssh into raspbmc, wrong password...
[3:23] <ShiftPlusOne> but it's very experimental at this stage
[3:23] <someoneelse> hmm
[3:23] <ShiftPlusOne> someoneelse, what information do you feel is missing?
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[3:24] <someoneelse> a detailed description on the process or at least an explanation why the -kernel is necessary. at least that gets me curious
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[3:25] <someoneelse> i'm not too good with the low-level hardware stuff usually =/
[3:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Aside from that I have a guide on how to compile a kernel for qemu and how to use qemu to emulate the arm cpu.
[3:25] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, you're right, there is a lot missing
[3:26] <someoneelse> on the real pi, there's some sort of bootloader (something found here maybe? https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/boot/kernel.img ) that loads a kernel or initrd or whatever found on the sdcard. the sdcard image i have, so all that's missing is this bootloader
[3:26] <someoneelse> (that's what i'm thinking at least)
[3:26] <someoneelse> AND the emulation of the rpi on qemu isn't exact enough for it to work
[3:26] <someoneelse> did i get that right?
[3:26] <ShiftPlusOne> someoneelse, kernel.img is THE kernel, but yes there is a bootloader that is executed before the kernel which loads the kernel
[3:27] <ShiftPlusOne> that's right, you can't just give it the .img without providing a kernel
[3:27] <ShiftPlusOne> even with torlus' patches you need to extract the kernel from the image first
[3:27] <someoneelse> becaues qemu doesn't emulate the bootloader?
[3:27] <someoneelse> couldn't i pass the bootloader as the kernel?
[3:27] <ShiftPlusOne> the bootloader runs on the gpu
[3:27] <someoneelse> or is there a confusing reuse of the word "kernel" here -- are these both linux kernels?
[3:27] <ShiftPlusOne> so it cannot
[3:28] <someoneelse> ah, that makes more sense now
[3:28] <someoneelse> gpu is proprietary, iirc?
[3:28] <ShiftPlusOne> proprietary, but it has been reverse engineered a fair bit
[3:28] <ShiftPlusOne> brb
[3:28] <someoneelse> hmm, this is quite a bit of a detour from what i set out to do originally
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[3:33] <ShiftPlusOne> back
[3:33] <someoneelse> ah
[3:33] <ShiftPlusOne> someoneelse, what were you trying to do?
[3:33] <someoneelse> i found some info on the boot process
[3:33] <someoneelse> originally, i was wondering why golang wasn't support so well on raspbian
[3:34] <someoneelse> so i thought i'd give messing around with that a try
[3:34] <someoneelse> can't use any of those x86 vms because it usually crashes because of arm specific stuff iirc
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[3:35] <someoneelse> so i looked for a turnkey emulation for the raspi, but that's been a disappointing journey
[3:35] <ShiftPlusOne> where does the need to boot the raspbian .img come in though?
[3:35] <ShiftPlusOne> userspace emulation works great with things like scratchbox2
[3:36] <someoneelse> well, currently, if i try to run go programs (any, really) on raspbian, it just breaks
[3:36] <someoneelse> for me at least
[3:36] <someoneelse> i don't just want to run compiled binaries, but program on it as well
[3:36] <ShiftPlusOne> have you searched the forum? I've seen some go discussion there I think
[3:37] <someoneelse> i think i did before, but that was on the raspi. not much fun browsing forums using it at the moment =)
[3:37] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=10781
[3:37] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=893
[3:38] <ShiftPlusOne> haven't read them, but they're the first thing google spits out
[3:38] <someoneelse> yeah, i remember trying some of those that didn't work. i guess i'll have to dig out a pi and actually try it
[3:38] <someoneelse> (again)
[3:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Good luck. I am a bit busy right now, so I can't help out too much with the emulation stuff by trying it myself, but I can give it a go later.
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[3:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I see no reason why userspace emulation wouldn't work for testing Go, since it only relies on the instruction set, which is fine.
[3:42] <ShiftPlusOne> (afaik)
[3:42] <someoneelse> i think it's passed the point where it appeared to be less work than climbing behind the desk and plugging in the pi =)
[3:42] <someoneelse> hmm, how does it work? the thing is, i need to be sure there's no error in the emulation process
[3:42] <someoneelse> is userspace emulation done using qemu?
[3:42] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[3:43] <someoneelse> i'm guessing it runs a bunch of binaries, translating the instructions?
[3:44] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know the internals. I use it behind sb2, so to me it's just magic, but it works great.
[3:45] <someoneelse> i'll keep that in mind. however, i think i need to try it on the real hardware at least once and see if i can reproduce the error in sb2 anyway =/
[3:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll shut up now since I may be throwing too much irrelevant information at you and making it seem harder than it is. Feel free to ask if you have any questions though.
[3:46] <someoneelse> no worries, i can handle/sort out the information =) i'm happy about the pointers
[3:47] <someoneelse> biggest problem right now is opening the plastic container the SD-card comes in =/
[3:47] <orik> Hey, this isn't exactly the right place for me to be asking it, but It's the closest thing I could think of
[3:48] <orik> I'm trying to get some graphical java games running on my Samsung ARM Chromebook with Java 8, and I can run command line apps now but everything freaks out after that
[3:48] <orik> can you guys point me to an irc that would be good for this sorta thing
[3:48] <orik> or do you know if anyone has documented getting full minecraft to run on an r.pi?
[3:48] <someoneelse> orik, out of interest, have you tried it on a raspberry pi?
[3:48] <orik> No, I just got the keyboard for my R.Pi today but I've yet to go home
[3:48] <orik> so I'm going to try that later this evening
[3:49] <orik> Pretty stoked.
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[3:49] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd forget about full minecraft on the pi for now.
[3:49] <orik> Minecraft isn't the end goal, but it's just sorta the thing that I would expect to me most common
[3:50] <orik> be*
[3:50] <orik> I have to head out, so I'll be back in the IRC in about four hours after I've done some hacking
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[3:50] <orik> hopefully logged on my pu
[3:50] <orik> pi*
[3:51] <someoneelse> remember to bring a fast sdcard =)
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[3:52] <fr0g911> heh done some hacking
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[3:52] <BlackClover> so I am kicking around the ideas of buying a raspberry pi. How is everyone's experience with it so far in a nutshell
[3:53] <someoneelse> BlackClover, depends if you're a grown-up or a child i guess =) and what you want to do with it
[3:53] <ShiftPlusOne> BlackClover, in a nutshell - lots of potential, some limitations.
[3:53] <odin_> BlackClover, and the alternatives you see to getting RPi ?
[3:53] <someoneelse> oh, that's a great summary
[3:54] <someoneelse> odin_, there's other boards, slightly more expensive
[3:54] <piney> BlackClover, the raspberry pi created a dilema for me. too many cool projects, not enough time to implement them :)
[3:54] <someoneelse> odin_, iirc there's was one thing in the $50 range, slightly faster CPU + eSATA were it's selling points
[3:54] <odin_> what are all these projects that needs uber fast CPU, that the users doesn't want to use a PC/MAC for
[3:55] <odin_> lots of fun to be had with the horsepower it already has
[3:55] <BlackClover> well I have also seen there is something similar to the RBpi by Android and it comes with a case
[3:55] <someoneelse> odin_, surfing the web
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[3:55] <BlackClover> are there a lot of differences?
[3:55] <SirStan> BlackClover: I blow $30 on beer over a weekend. Why even question it?
[3:55] <odin_> it maybe 6 weeks pocket money
[3:55] <someoneelse> SirStan, hence the adult/non-adult question =)
[3:56] <BlackClover> true true. I just can't think of any real projects I would use it for other than attaching it to the back of my TV and using it as a VLC/web/music etc on it. I don't really have any programming experience. Are there other projects out there that are pretty dipshit (me) friendly?
[3:57] <odin_> what projecct would you put the alternative too? and the device is to facilitate you to have a go at this programming experience
[3:57] <someoneelse> BlackClover, loads. you just gotta pick a topic. i'm currently using one as a print server, but that probably doesn't get anyone excited
[3:57] <ShiftPlusOne> BlackClover, vlc doesn't support the pi yet, so it's terribly slow. The only real option is omxplayer/XBMC for video.
[3:57] <BlackClover> ok i guess a better question would be to ask, what do you all use it for?
[3:58] <someoneelse> raspbmc works pretty well. i've watched 2.5 seasons of the walking dead in hd on it and a lot of southpark
[3:58] <odin_> well I like the flashing lights :P so I send it network data to make them flash in different patterns
[3:58] <someoneelse> BlackClover, print server, generic toy, media center and hopefully soon controlling a bit of hardware. for fun, adding some server related stuff right now
[3:59] <odin_> I have not tried XBMC but is there an IR kit for it ?
[3:59] <someoneelse> odin_, yes, i think. however, me and remotes don't get along, so i use yatse on android to control it
[3:59] <odin_> i.e. RPi in a set top box, with extra stuff, maybe space for 2.5"
[4:00] <someoneelse> BlackClover, what you do with it, in my limited experience varies mostly depending on whether you want to pick up a soldering iron or not =)
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[4:00] <odin_> why is the JTAG connector on the 512Mb got the solder inside but the 256Mb did not, surely solder cost money
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[4:01] <plugwash> Lemme guess? the 512M one you have is chinese while the 256M one is british?
[4:01] <SirStan> odin_: my rev1 has pins on the jtag
[4:02] <odin_> my rev1 has through hole, no pins, I ordered some 2x7 that I hope full fit
[4:02] <SirStan> odin_: mail me yours; you can have mine.
[4:02] <odin_> my rev2 has solder inside the through hole, that will be a headache to fit any 2x7
[4:03] <plugwash> holes filled with solder means that the manufacturer couldn't be bothered masking them off when wave soldering
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[4:03] <odin_> SirStan, I'll suspend that offer (might get back to you), I have not tried with 2x7 headers I bought since they arrived at office friday
[4:04] <plugwash> I'm guessing that unlike the sony factory the chines producers are masking things off with tape by hand rather than making and using a special masking carrier like sony do
[4:04] <odin_> not picked them up / seen them yet, also another rev2 maybe this one will be different
[4:04] <someoneelse> does anyone know if the hardware supports hotplugging the sdcard? i.e. load kernel/root fs to memory, eject sd card, put another in?
[4:05] <odin_> ok so... need set top box case for RPi, then 1 add-on PCB that supports IR Tranciever + Digital Audio Out + SATA storage (or PCMCIA)
[4:05] <ShiftPlusOne> someoneelse, interesting question. I think it should, but haven't tried. You can load an initramfs image, so it should be fine.
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[4:05] <someoneelse> ShiftPlusOne, i had the idea of writing sd card images en masse using the rpi
[4:05] <odin_> that could be a sold separately PCB and then there are the remote controls also sold separately
[4:05] <SirStan> odin_: can you actually use the jtag?
[4:05] <someoneelse> ShiftPlusOne, like, load a bootloader that fetches images via network
[4:05] <ParkerR> odin_, Why not just use the HDMI audio out?
[4:06] <odin_> maybe also simple digital display with IR
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[4:06] <Twist-> BlackClover: I'd suggest searching youtube for raspbery pi and/or arduino projects, and see if anything catches your fancy.
[4:06] <odin_> use ? as in on a RPi, I don't know.. I have 2 x JTAG interfaces (one here and another device capable on the way)
[4:06] <ShiftPlusOne> someoneelse, you could take something like buildroot to create a minimal image with a custom init script and use the generated initramfs. It's going to be a bit of a pain to get right though.
[4:07] <Twist-> BlackClover: They're not interchangeable devices by any means, but there's some overlap in application.
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[4:07] <odin_> how do you split HDMI output between a TV and a HIFI (re using HDMI not digital output)
[4:08] <odin_> I am thinking digital audio output port should not be expensive
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[4:09] <someoneelse> ShiftPlusOne, i think there's some filesystems suited for that even better, might need to ask around the livecd crowd
[4:10] <ParkerR> odin_, Not expensive but being able to implement it on the Pi as an addon I would imagine would not be easy
[4:10] <ParkerR> *I imagine it would not be easy to implement digital audio out as an addon
[4:11] <someoneelse> odin_, usually, consumer hardware handles that. HDMI into your TV, your tv passes the audio through. or the other way round, ithink
[4:11] <odin_> I am thinking as a set-top box it might be used for audio only
[4:12] <someoneelse> can you live with stereo then?
[4:12] <odin_> I can not live with analog ports
[4:13] <someoneelse> ah, i see what you're getting at
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[4:14] <ParkerR> Well I imagine there is/could be some kind of adapter that splits the digital audio out of an HDMI connectio
[4:14] <ParkerR> n
[4:14] <ParkerR> If the TV doesnt support it
[4:14] <SirStan> ANyone have a gertboard?
[4:14] <odin_> I looked at it, but choose the other stuff
[4:14] <SirStan> Whats the other stuff?
[4:14] <ParkerR> ^
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[4:15] <someoneelse> ParkerR, you cannot "split" it with an adapter, you have to actually filter out stuff out of the packet stream, if i'm not mistaken
[4:15] <piney> it should be technically possible to do SPDIF using the PCM interface on the P5 GPIO header. don't think it's been done yet though
[4:15] <ShiftPlusOne> someoneelse, let me know what you find
[4:15] <someoneelse> ParkerR, so that adapter would have to be a "real" computer, not just a few electronic components =/
[4:16] <ParkerR> :/
[4:16] <odin_> my goodie bag is 2 x Microchip Pic starter thingies, RPi Board I/O Expansion, RPi Wifi, RPi HDMI-2-VGA and another rev2
[4:16] <someoneelse> ShiftPlusOne, which topic? =)
[4:16] <ParkerR> someoneelse, For that price yeah http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?seq=1&format=2&p_id=7974&CAWELAID=1329456090&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CL6G69TK37UCFQP0nAodszYA5w
[4:17] <ShiftPlusOne> someoneelse, the rootfs
[4:17] <ParkerR> But that not completely terrible
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[4:17] <ParkerR> http://images.monoprice.com/productlargeimages/79744.jpg
[4:17] <someoneelse> ShiftPlusOne, that's a long way off
[4:17] <SirStan> Any recommended wifi adapter?
[4:18] <someoneelse> ParkerR, i have no idea how good stuff like that is. it's digital, so few things you can mess up other than latency, i guess
[4:18] <anish[1]> does wrong firmware can cause bootup not to happen?
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[4:18] <ShiftPlusOne> well, let me know anyway. I've been using buildroot for that sort of thing and would be interested in the alternatives.
[4:18] <odin_> Re RPi USB Wifi, at office, not looked at it yet
[4:18] <fr0g911> hey ShiftPlusOne whats a funny old movie to watch
[4:18] <ShiftPlusOne> fr0g911, why would you think that I am the person to ask that? >_<
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[4:18] <Twist-> SirStan: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[4:19] <fr0g911> rofl
[4:19] <ParkerR> SirStan, Anything with a rtl8188cus chipset
[4:19] <someoneelse> ShiftPlusOne, hold on, i'm excited, there's a golang package in the apt repository and i don't know if that was there the last time i checked =)
[4:19] <fr0g911> cause i think we might be the same age
[4:19] <someoneelse> .. it was =/
[4:19] <Twist-> fr0g911: which age is that?
[4:19] <fr0g911> 9
[4:19] <Twist-> alternatively, what's your definition of "old movie"
[4:19] <fr0g911> rofl j/k
[4:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ..... >=/
[4:20] <fr0g911> we both were here when irc started
[4:20] <odin_> these items off element4/farnell RPi toys page
[4:20] <Twist-> mm. I was going to suggest Brazil. But it's only funny if you've been in the workforce for a while.
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[4:20] <fr0g911> and somewhere in the 1980's to 90's
[4:20] <ParkerR> Top Gun
[4:20] <Twist-> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088846/
[4:20] <fr0g911> i just watched the greate outdoors
[4:21] <someoneelse> ShiftPlusOne, SIGILL all the way =)
[4:21] <fr0g911> top gun good one
[4:22] <Twist-> fr0g911: I assume everyone's already seen Spaceballs
[4:22] <fr0g911> im 32 btw
[4:22] <ShiftPlusOne> someoneelse, ?
[4:22] <Twist-> but if not.. repair that hole in your experience immediately
[4:22] <someoneelse> ShiftPlusOne, running go -.-
[4:22] <fr0g911> love spaceballs
[4:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[4:22] <fr0g911> thats a good one
[4:22] <Twist-> fr0g911: Brazil is the top of my list for slightly obscure comedies.
[4:23] <fr0g911> im gonna try it Twist-
[4:23] <fr0g911> i'll tell ya what i think
[4:24] <ShiftPlusOne> fr0g911, Yeah, I am the wrong person to ask. I have a very simple sense of humour and can get by with just dumb and dumber, naked gun and police academy and I am not ashamed >.>
[4:24] <Twist-> And perhaps work your way through the rest of Terry Gilliam's movies
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[4:25] <someoneelse> i'll never understand why i have to suffer from overscan using hdmi...
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[4:26] <someoneelse> it's a goddamn digital video link =/
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[4:27] <fr0g911> ShiftPlusOne omg
[4:27] <fr0g911> you found the movie i wanted to watch
[4:27] <fr0g911> police academy
[4:27] <fr0g911> hahahahaha
[4:27] <ShiftPlusOne> >_<
[4:27] <fr0g911> but i have to watch this brazil first
[4:28] <fr0g911> :)
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[4:32] <fr0g911> hey Twist- you ever seen brain candy
[4:32] <someoneelse> ShiftPlusOne, compiling for a few hours and i'm off to bed. thanks for the help =)
[4:32] <ShiftPlusOne> someoneelse, take care
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[4:33] <pksato> to use a big fresnel lens to make a tiny TTF display connected to rpi bigger. :)
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[4:36] <Twist-> fr0g911: nope
[4:37] <Scriven> pksato, I've had a similar thought, and have looked for near-touch magnifying sheets. Have you had any luck?
[4:37] <Scriven> Brain Candy, Canadian movies FTW!
[4:37] <Scriven> It's the "Kids In The Hall movie", it's awesome.
[4:38] <Scriven> pksato, don't want to have to hold the lense 2 feet away from subject, would take away a typing hand! ;)
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[4:39] <pksato> Scriven: Its is only a coment about some scenes of Brazil movie.
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[4:41] <fr0g911> im like so lost in this movie Twist- lol
[4:41] <SpeedEvil> Scriven: a physical impossibility to do cheaply, in a compact thin sheet
[4:42] <SpeedEvil> assuming you mean a sheet you can overlay onto a display
[4:44] <Scriven> SpeedEvil, yeah, the closest I saw was a dome-shaped glass paperweight, lol
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[4:46] <SpeedEvil> http://www.schott.com/lightingimaging/english/defenseproducts/imaging/tapers.html?so=uk&lang=english
[4:46] <SpeedEvil> would work
[4:47] <SpeedEvil> however, it would likely exceed ??50k for a 15cm display output
[4:50] <geshy> does anybody have experience with using an xbox 360 controller with emulationstation?
[4:54] <fr0g911> yes whats up geshy
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[4:59] <HashNuke> hey all
[4:59] <HashNuke> The HDMI on my raspberry pi only works sometimes. I've been using the same monitor and cable for a month now.
[4:59] <HashNuke> The Pi is a model-b with 256mb ram.
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[5:00] <fr0g911> hooked upto a computer monitor
[5:00] <HashNuke> fr0g911: was that msg for me?
[5:01] <fr0g911> yeah sorry lol im into this movie
[5:01] <HashNuke> fr0g911: My Lcd monitor has a hdmi port.
[5:01] <pksato> dont watch if you is a printer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4HqI1s8Xgs
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[5:02] <fr0g911> HashNuke does it not load when powering on the pi sometimes or does it drop signal
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[5:03] <HashNuke> fr0g911: I get the "check the signal" msg on the monitor only when I disconnect the cable. When the cable is connected I only get a blank screen.
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[5:04] <HashNuke> fr0g911: The same happened yesterday for a few minutes, but it worked after disconnecting and reconnecting a couple times, it worked all of a sudden. But today it looks like I have no luck.
[5:04] <HashNuke> fr0g911: you've had this problem anytime?
[5:04] <fr0g911> yes i have
[5:04] <fr0g911> but only on a tv screen
[5:05] <fr0g911> i replaced the hdmi cable
[5:05] <fr0g911> and never had the problem again
[5:05] <fr0g911> the cord seemed to be very cheap and hated the pi
[5:05] <HashNuke> oh.
[5:05] <fr0g911> have you tryed other hdmi cables
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[5:06] <HashNuke> fr0g911: Nope. I only have 1 hdmi cable. I've used this about 20 times :) it's that new.
[5:06] <fr0g911> hmm
[5:06] <fr0g911> interesting
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[5:07] <HashNuke> I don't know what cheap would be. But mine was $22.
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[5:07] <fr0g911> hook it upto a tv
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[5:07] <fr0g911> maybe rule out the monitor
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[5:08] <HashNuke> ya i'm going to try that now
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[5:08] <fr0g911> might be because the monitor your using works only on a full power hdmi
[5:08] <HashNuke> fr0g911: what does that mean?
[5:08] <fr0g911> and its not getting the right herts to power on
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[5:09] <HashNuke> fr0g911: still, it used to work until yesterday, which makes be curious.
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[5:09] <HashNuke> anyway I'm going to try the tv now
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[5:10] <fr0g911> k let me know
[5:11] <fr0g911> sorry i wasnt too helpful i havent used it on a monitor but once
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[5:13] <HashNuke> fr0g911: Not working on tv using the hdmi cable.
[5:14] <HashNuke> fr0g911: I'm trying to use the RCA cable, but this cable is cheap (maybe worth half a dollar or something). And this doesnt work too.
[5:14] <Scriven> Hrm... just had an interesting thought I wanted to bounce off the room. I have an airport express w/ what I assume to be the usual busted power supply. I'm not sure how many amps it draws, but it requires 3.3v and 5v, so assuming it doesn't draw too much could I power it from the pi's gpio?
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[5:16] <HashNuke> i'm going to connect a laptop to the hdmi cable and tv and see if that works.
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[5:20] <Scriven> Not sure what I'd do with a pi+airport express, but it could be neat. ;)
[5:21] <fr0g911> sorry HashNuke on the phone brb
[5:22] <HashNuke> fr0g911: i connected a computer to tv using the hdmi cable. works fine. doesnt work with the pi
[5:22] <HashNuke> fr0g911: np
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[5:24] <HashNuke> oh ya
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[5:34] <fr0g911> HashNuke don't have any extra sd cards laying around
[5:34] <HashNuke> fr0g911: Well I'm just formatting this one itself.
[5:34] <fr0g911> was gonna say to make another image
[5:34] <fr0g911> lol
[5:34] <fr0g911> what dist you suing
[5:35] <HashNuke> fr0g911: haha. ok. So this happens when the image on the SD card gets corrupted?
[5:35] <HashNuke> fr0g911: Raspbian wheezy. The latest.
[5:35] <HashNuke> fr0g911: I prefer arch linux. But I'm forced to use Raspbian because it comes with the media drivers.
[5:37] <HashNuke> I think I'll download the latest arch linux right now and go with that. I'm not playing music anyway on the pi right now :)
[5:37] <fr0g911> yeah maybe just bad image but weird never seen it do that before did you happen to look at the lights on the pi
[5:38] <fr0g911> that would prove if the image wasnt loading right
[5:38] <HashNuke> fr0g911: the lights are burning bright :)
[5:38] <fr0g911> happens when you mes around with over clock settings too
[5:39] <HashNuke> fr0g911: I never overclock stuff. I'm not much of an electronics guy. I own the Pi for the small-computer fad + to play around with devices at home.
[5:39] <HashNuke> And ofcourse to show off people that I can run ruby on it and do some hobby stuff
[5:39] <fr0g911> yea it is very nice for that
[5:39] <fr0g911> lol
[5:40] <HashNuke> offtopic - Installing ruby 1.9.3 was faster when I tried a month ago. When I tried to install ruby 2.0.0-p0 yesterday and day before, the only thing that happened was forever installation.
[5:41] <HashNuke> as a sidenote, nodejs compiled fine (a month ago). Just takes a few hours as per what I remember:)
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[5:41] <fr0g911> ruby and rails hehe
[5:41] <HashNuke> I tried doing the nodeknockout this year completely on the pi. Unfortunately, I have the 256mb ram version, so at some point I guess quitting was written in my future.
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[5:43] <fr0g911> maybe its time to upgrade
[5:43] <fr0g911> lol
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[5:44] <knoppies> HashNuke, just get a new Pi.
[5:44] <knoppies> dont give up.
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[5:45] <HashNuke> knoppies: I will. I'll have to bill my client this week. Else I have cash in the bank worth only 2 Pis :)
[5:45] <knoppies> HashNuke, sounds like a plan.
[5:45] <HashNuke> My policy of working only when required and spending the rest of the time on side projects doesn't seem to be going very well :)
[5:47] <HashNuke> if anyone's interested, I made a Raspberry Pi logo in pixel art - http://akash.im/images/pixelart/raspberry_pi.png I actually made that to put it up on my hack for NodeKnockout.
[5:48] <HashNuke> Fully custom made logo eh. No raspberries were eaten in the process :)
[5:49] <HashNuke> Wonder if any is doing Bitcoin mining using the raspberry pi.
[5:49] <fr0g911> lol
[5:49] <fr0g911> i did
[5:49] <fr0g911> lol
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[5:50] <fr0g911> lets just say it went back into a media center and router and nas server
[5:50] <fr0g911> i've only got 11 pi's in my house running
[5:50] <fr0g911> waiting on the other one to come in
[5:51] <ParkerR> "inly"
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[5:51] <ParkerR> *"only"
[5:51] <fr0g911> lol
[5:51] <ParkerR> Crap for the price of 11 Pi's you could buy one decent machine :P
[5:51] <fr0g911> i have 14 pi's in 14 other houses and 6 pi's running in texas roadhouses
[5:51] <HashNuke> ParkerR: Well if you have one decent machine, you won't have "computers". You'll only have one :)
[5:52] <ParkerR> HashNuke, :P
[5:52] <HashNuke> sorry that was for fr0g911
[5:52] <fr0g911> i have 2 decent computers
[5:52] <fr0g911> one is a server
[5:52] <fr0g911> for my internet sercurity biz
[5:53] <HashNuke> How can a human carry many full computers? He carries many Raspberry Pis.
[5:53] <fr0g911> records and encodes ipcams on the fly
[5:53] <fr0g911> lol HashNuke
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[5:53] <HashNuke> fr0g911: someday I guess that'll become as common as the light bulb jokes we all hear in different forms.
[5:54] <fr0g911> my dad told me he used to walk 15miles in the snow to school i said wth didnt they have raspberry pi's at home to learn from
[5:56] <fr0g911> brb my irc network is netspliting from the pi
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[5:56] <ShiftPlusOne> fr0g911, uphill both ways?
[5:57] <fr0g911> lol
[5:57] <fr0g911> yeah
[5:58] <fr0g911> i want to make my pi to do all my car lighting next
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[5:59] <HashNuke> fr0g911: Everytime I buy some accessory for the buy, I only realize I need more. Ex: I bought the GPIO cable, now I need the GPIO breakout board to connect it to the breadboard, or use hotch-potch wire mess to do it.
[6:00] <HashNuke> bought a Pi, only realized I need to disturb people in the hall to use it with the tv. So bought a new LCD monitor with HDMI support :)
[6:01] <fr0g911> ? disturb people in the hall?
[6:01] <fr0g911> where you at
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[6:02] <fr0g911> in a dorm
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[6:05] <HashNuke> fr0g911: home :)
[6:05] <fr0g911> welcome back ShiftPlusOne
[6:05] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks =)
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[6:05] <fr0g911> :)
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[6:09] <HashNuke> ShiftPlusOne: Hi
[6:10] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
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[6:12] <fr0g911> can the pi goto work for me?
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[6:13] <Viper-7> if you build it a body, sure
[6:13] <ShiftPlusOne> As long as 'work' is a valid label, sure.
[6:14] <fr0g911> hmm
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[6:16] <fr0g911> like bicentennial man
[6:16] <fr0g911> ?
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[6:20] <HashNuke> So even using archlinux the display on the pi doesnt work. On the same monitor as yesterday (when it worked).
[6:20] <DeliriumTremens> woo my BBS is coming along nicely
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[6:33] <alexhairyman> night all
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[6:46] <HashNuke> So what might be the problem if I have a really faint green LED (faint == pink prick like)?
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[7:13] * Xark notes yet another tosses its hat in the ring -> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11712
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[7:17] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah and it's quite a nice hat this time
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[7:24] <Haxxa> hello
[7:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
[7:25] <Haxxa> I have a quick question
[7:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Then why waste time introducing it? D=
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[7:25] <Haxxa> I'm special? nah sorry just by habbit
[7:26] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[7:26] <Haxxa> bare with me this is related to pi
[7:26] <Haxxa> anyway I have just installed a new computer into my garage (it gets very hot in summer)
[7:27] <Haxxa> and have fans surrounding it
[7:27] <Haxxa> These run off 12V, - not connected to the computer
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[7:28] <Haxxa> Anyway I want the computer (linux based) to send a signal to my pi which then triggers a relay on the gpio to then turn on my fans
[7:28] <Haxxa> when it reaches a certain temp i.e. 70 Degrees
[7:29] <ShiftPlusOne> signal would be sent over the network, serial or what?
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[7:29] <Haxxa> SSH, wifi usb, - what ever is easiest
[7:29] <Haxxa> and cheapest
[7:29] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[7:29] <ShiftPlusOne> so what's the question then?
[7:30] <Haxxa> How would I do this? How would I get the computer to send comand when it reaches 70? What is best method? and how would I get pi to trigger relay
[7:31] <Haxxa> i.e. how would I tell pi over wifi or even better usb to trigger relay
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[7:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Not an expert myself, so take whatever I say with a ton of salt and wait for someone knowledgable to answer. I would use netcat to send/receive the signals and just have a script run by cron every X minutes to check the temp and call netcat when necessary.
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[7:33] <ShiftPlusOne> on the gpio side, I'd use wiring pi and as you said, a relay with whatever circuitry is required.
[7:34] <Haxxa> yep - got that sorted
[7:35] <Haxxa> just need to figure out link between pi and computer
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[7:38] <ShiftPlusOne> sorry, it's a bit quiet around here around this time. It's best to ask in the morning while the poms and yanks are still around.
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[7:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Actually, you said you want to do this over USB. Do you have a usb to serial adapter?
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[7:40] <Haxxa> no
[7:41] <Haxxa> I don't mind any protocol really, just not sure wifi will be effective in garage is all
[7:41] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, then network would be the way to go. either netcat or passwordless ssh
[7:44] <Haxxa> ok
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[7:51] <Xark> ShiftPlusOne: Yes, pcDuino is starting to look quite interesting (vs some others). Still not really offering anything that is compelling me to get one at this point.
[7:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I have my eye on it, but can't justify buying it just yet.
[7:57] <Twist-> That... seems really silly
[7:57] <Xark> ShiftPlusOne: I agree with some of the commenters, if this board had SATA, I would be going "Hmmm". :)
[7:58] <Xark> Twist-: ?
[7:58] <Twist-> This pcduino thing
[7:58] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough. For me it's an issue of cost once the shipping is included.
[7:59] <Xark> Twist-: In what sense? I bet they sell a fair number...
[7:59] <Xark> (but I doubt it is as notable as RPi) :)
[7:59] <Twist-> I bet they do as well.
[8:01] <Xark> It seems like the RPi clones started at around ~$200 and have steadily dropped to now being roughly 2x as expensive as RPi (for similar feature set - but more RAM and faster CPU).
[8:01] <Twist-> costs more than a separate arduino and pi.. gives you all the timing problems inherent with driving electronics with a microprocessor instead of a microcontroller.. what's not to love?
[8:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Which is fair enough, since that's the major thing people demand from the pi folks. Now if they want it, they can go and get it.
[8:02] <Xark> Twist-: Yeah. If you want fine timing, you need a MCU (or at least no Linux).
[8:03] <Twist-> uses an "arduino sytle" language
[8:03] <Xark> Twist-: IOW they made a small C++ library that looks like Wiring (aka Arduino libs).
[8:04] <Xark> So you can "digitalWrite" and get the appropriate Arduino header pin to activate (I would assume).
[8:04] <Twist-> so people are going to slap arduino shields on the thing, then find they don't have the wealth of drop-in community code available that makes the shields usable by non-programmers?
[8:04] <Xark> Twist-: Yeah, like the dozens of other "not really" Arduino compatible MCUs.
[8:05] * Xark notes the Due kind of falls in that category too (and often Leonardo). :)
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[8:06] * Xark links the video demo of pcDuino in case you missed it http://vimeo.com/60810988
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[8:08] <Twist-> Yeah, I eventually noticed it on the sparkfun main page
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[8:09] <Twist-> 's why I stopped yammering for a few minutes
[8:09] <Twist-> I was busy being skeeved out by man hands with blue nail polish.
[8:09] <Xark> Twist-: Odd it isn't linked from product page. I guess expect to add another $15 (estimated) for the "Arduino shield adapter" board...
[8:10] <Xark> Twist-: Yeah, I found that highly distracting too. :)
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[8:55] <HashNuke> fr0g911: it was the SD card. It was slightly broken on the edge.
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[9:37] <cityLights> morning,
[9:37] <cityLights> can anyone please share gcc 4.6.2 .tbz ?
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[9:47] <hyppias> I have a pi http server running. Using a benchmark site out on the internet, it appears that the server is about 4 times slower than another linux webserver here at home (on the same router) I have running. What is the bottleneck?
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[9:49] <linuxstb> hyppias: Are you serving static content?
[9:49] <hyppias> same wordpress sites on both
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[9:52] <hyppias> does iptables (running on only the Pi) slow down traffic much?
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[9:59] <ryanteck> hyppias are you usin nginx or apache?
[9:59] <ryanteck> using*
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[10:05] <hyppias> apache2
[10:06] <ryanteck> If you are able to try using Nginx
[10:06] <hyppias> I test with http://www.webpagetest.org
[10:06] <hyppias> what is nginx?
[10:06] <ryanteck> it is lots more lightweight than apache but requires a lot more configuration
[10:07] <ryanteck> Its like apache but more advanced and faster
[10:07] <ryanteck> but it does require a lot of configuration
[10:07] <hyppias> there must be a significant difference between the two servers. both running debian (diff. versions), both apache2, both wordpress site...
[10:08] <hyppias> OK... Pi has 100Mb lan.. bus such a small weppage...
[10:08] <hyppias> bus=but
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[10:14] <hyppias> there is a BIG difference in what the benchmak site calls "time to first byte": Pi has >5 secs and the other machine has < 2secs.
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[12:12] <Lartza8> Should I just stick with default CFLAGS for Gentoo? -march=armv6j -mfpu=vfp the debate seems to be that neither is better than the other one, if that is compared to setting mcpu explicitly
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[12:15] <Lartza8> Also should the toolchain be armv6zk-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi instead of armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi
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[12:38] <B0101> hi, how do you open up this casing? https://www.modmypi.com/shop/clear-raspberry-pi-case
[12:40] <Lartza8> B0101: It just comes open with some nudging imo
[12:40] <Lartza8> B0101: I have the previous model of modmypi, white on, has no rubber feet
[12:40] <Lartza8> *one
[12:41] <Lartza8> B0101: Pull it apart from usb/ethernet end
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[12:48] <SpeedEvil> chainsaw
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> plasma cutter, shaped charge, dust off and nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> oh come on - angle grinder is the sensible way.
[12:59] <cityLights> oh ya, I am also looking for an initrd with btrfs support
[12:59] <cityLights> I still didnt get to build me own
[13:00] <Lartza8> okay, who stole my hdmi/dvi adapter!
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[13:02] <gordonDrogon> Hm. looks like dragon's "captured".
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[14:10] <geshh> Does anybody have any experience with using emulationstation and an xbox 360 controller?
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[14:13] <jelly1> no clue what the first is but a controller should work out of the box
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[14:17] <geshh> unfortunately, the xbox controller doesn't work out of box. Im using xboxdrv for the driver
[14:17] <geshh> I got it working with the roms, but not the menus
[14:17] <schnuws> Ive seen a lot of tutorials for the xbox controller and emulationstation
[14:17] <geshh> I can't find anywhere that might disable or enable that ability
[14:18] <schnuws> thats because the menus is a separate program
[14:18] <schnuws> and you have to configure them manually
[14:18] <geshh> I followed quite a few of them, but and that got it working for the emulators but not the main menue
[14:18] <geshh> do you know here thats done?
[14:19] <schnuws> first time you start emulationstation you should be able to configure the hotkeys
[14:19] <geshh> ok, ill check there again
[14:20] <geshh> thanks
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[14:46] <cityLights> can anyone please share gcc 4.6.2 .tbz ?
[14:47] <cityLights> oh ya, I am also looking for an initrd with btrfs support?
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[14:52] <jelly1> cityLights: build it yourself :P
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[14:53] <cityLights> still no idea how
[14:53] <jelly1> also gcc version 4.7.2 (GCC)
[14:54] <cityLights> got the tbz?
[14:54] <jelly1> tbz?
[14:54] <jelly1> what distro are you using
[14:54] <cityLights> quickpkp gcc and you will have it
[14:54] <cityLights> then maybe share it?
[14:54] <cityLights> gentoo
[14:54] <jelly1> i bet it won't work for you
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[14:55] <jelly1> btw why do you run gentoo then >_>
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[14:55] <jelly1> if you don't want to compile stuff
[14:56] <cityLights> I dont want any X gtk qt
[14:56] <jelly1> why would you need that for compiling gcc..
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[14:56] <cityLights> I am answering the "why gentoo"
[14:57] <jelly1> lolol
[14:57] <cityLights> right, you dont need Zto build gcc
[14:57] * jelly1 uses archlinux-arm
[14:57] <cityLights> hmm
[14:57] <cityLights> btrfs?
[14:57] <jelly1> no
[14:57] <cityLights> too bad
[14:57] <jelly1> i bet ext4 is faster anyway :P
[14:58] <cityLights> but not as safe
[14:58] <jelly1> what
[14:58] <jelly1> if you are talking about CoW you might be right
[14:58] <jelly1> but btrfs is alphasoft
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[14:59] <jelly1> cityLights: we should try 3.8 + samsung's flash fs :)
[15:00] <jelly1> f2fs!
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[15:01] <jelly1> cityLights: but the pi seems to be stuck on linux 3.6.11
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[15:15] <ShadowJK> My guess would be that btrfs is quite slower than ext4 on flash
[15:16] <ShadowJK> f2fs with the right sd card should be very fast :)
[15:17] <ShadowJK> first attempt at a filesystem optimized for cf/mmc/sd cards and usb flashdrives
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[15:19] <jelly1> yup
[15:20] <Dyskette> Well, f2fs is hardly the first - there's jffs2, chfs, and ubifs that predate it, and probably others too
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[15:22] <ShadowJK> they're designed for flash with direct raw access, and don't work on sd
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[15:23] <mjr> not without a flash emulation layer anyway
[15:23] <mjr> so yeah, they're not direct competition to f2fs
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[15:24] <ShadowJK> I'm told it's hard to make jffs*, ubi and similar stay within the limitations of the sd card too
[15:25] <Dyskette> Ah, fair enough
[15:25] <ShadowJK> And even f2fs needs card able to do 7 simultaneous open AUs
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[15:25] <ShadowJK> which makes the vast majority of cards suboptimal..
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[15:26] <ShadowJK> And you also need to try figure out the characteristics of the card first, and the cards try to hide that information
[15:26] <hyppias> then Pi-B seems to be slow in the math department and in string manipulation (4 x). loops and IF-ELSE constructions not so much slower (1.5). Does the Pi-B have a floating point processor? Is there any way I can speed this up?
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[15:26] <hyppias> slower than my regular PC
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[15:27] <mjr> it has floating point, raspbian uses it
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[15:28] <chithead_> but don't expect too much from a 700 mhz arm with vfp2
[15:28] <ReggieUK> not quite sure I understand a comparison between a pi and a 'regular pc'
[15:29] <mjr> I do
[15:30] <hyppias> well, anyway, 4 x is a lot slower....
[15:30] <mjr> the pi is slow
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[15:31] <hyppias> do I have to set something in raspian, to have it use HW FP?
[15:31] <mjr> that's a big part of what makes it cheap
[15:31] <ReggieUK> of course it is, it's a 700mhz cpu
[15:31] <mjr> you do not
[15:31] <hyppias> ok
[15:35] <chithead_> if you compile stuff yourself, your CFLAGS should contain -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=hard
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[15:36] <ShadowJK> is normal debian compiled with softfp ABI and the autoselect emu vs hw at runtime thing, or just plain emu all the way?
[15:36] <ShadowJK> because the vfp can be used even when not compiled as armhf with hardfloat abi
[15:36] <ShadowJK> And yeah, armv6 @ 800M is comparable to P-II @ 350M or so
[15:38] <chithead_> no, debian is compiled with softfp and fp emulation
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[15:39] <ShadowJK> But you can compile your own stuff with vfp support in debian
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[15:39] <ShadowJK> it'll be a bit slower in passing fp arguments to functions though
[15:39] <chithead_> you can compile with softfloat abi and hardware fp, but it will be slower than using hardfloat abi
[15:39] <chithead_> lots slower
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[15:40] <ShadowJK> Wont loops basically run same speed soft vs hard abi, when both use vfp?
[15:40] <ShadowJK> only function calls become slower, I though
[15:41] <chithead_> http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#Linpack 5.4 mflops for soft abi+fp emu, 22 for soft abi+hw fp, 41 for hard abi
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[15:41] <chithead_> the results are not fully comparable due to different gcc, but they give you an idea
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[15:42] <ShadowJK> I'd be interested in seeing a comparison not involving and function calls :)
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[15:42] <ShadowJK> if it's doing something like a = b * sin(c) in a loop, I'd expect maximum penalty
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[15:43] <chithead> at high optimization levels, gcc will inline math functions
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[15:44] <ShadowJK> Yeah but the one in debian glibc will be no good
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[15:46] <hyppias> I see my wheezy uses php from squeeze. is that OK?
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[15:46] * ShadowJK would suspect inlining doesn't work across source files either
[15:46] <ShadowJK> unless sin() is a macro :)
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[16:13] <gordonDrogon> anyone here get to raspberrypi.org right now
[16:14] <Cymon> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[16:14] <Cymon> It's not just you.
[16:15] <mjr> works for me though
[16:15] <plugwash_> no, on ipv4 I can't even get a trace to them out of my ISPs network. On ipv6 a trace gets through but there is no response to http
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> Hm. seems to be coming & going.
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[16:16] <plugwash_> edit: ipv6 http just got through on a second attempt with wget
[16:17] <plugwash_> I guess they are being ddos'd or something..........
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> who knows )-:
[16:17] <Cymon> Any idea why my new Occidentalis v0.2 tells me ifconfig and iwconfig commands are not found?
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[16:17] <Cymon> Kinda hard to download new commands if I can't get on wireless.
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> they're not in your path? they're usually in /sbin/
[16:18] <martk100> All: I can not even ping raspberrypi.org it must be down.
[16:18] <Cymon> gordonDrogon, Hmm, they're there. Apparently my path isn't set up. Remind me how to do this (linux rusty)
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> check your .profile, .bashrc scripts.
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[16:20] <enjuto> hi, hola
[16:20] <enjuto> alguien me echa una mano ...no soy capaz de que se conecte por ethernet ....
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[16:20] <gordonDrogon> my hovercraft is full of eels.
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[16:25] <Cymon> I have a path statement in .profile that says "if [-d "$HOME/bin"] ; then PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH"
[16:25] <Cymon> That's the only path anything I see.
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> just add to it: PATH="$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin"
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[16:33] <Cymon> Do I do that inside the if statement, outside, before or after?
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[17:34] -mrmist- [Global Notice] - If you have an old nickserv account with us, please take a few moments to check that you have a valid email listed in /msg nickserv info. To set one, see /msg nickserv help set email. Having a valid email is the only way to recover your password if you forget it. Thanks for flying freenode.
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> /msg nickserv help set email
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> bother.
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[17:38] -mrmist- [Global Notice] - As a followup to my last message, if you experience errors trying to update your email address right now, please try again later. Apparently 100s of email changes at once doesn't work so well....
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[17:46] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, at least it wasn't your password
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[17:51] <Cymon> gordonDrogon, I added the path line to my .profile, but it's still not registering /usr/sbin
[17:51] <Cymon> I added it before the if statement.
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[17:58] <ParkerR> Cymon, What did you add?
[17:58] <ParkerR> What line
[17:59] <Cymon> ParkerR, I added " PATH="$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin"" before the ""if [-d "$HOME/bin"] ; then PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH"" lines
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[18:00] <ParkerR> Cymon, Add it to the end of the file
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[18:02] <Datalink> is it bad that I'm using my phone as a remote for my Pi for youtube vids? XD
[18:02] <ParkerR> Heh
[18:03] <Datalink> I SSH/MOSH in and use it for YT, among other stuff
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[18:06] <mjr> that's well and proper
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[18:07] <mjr> I used on occation a gprs phone as my home remote wasit like 10 years back. Sure, there was a bit of latency ...
[18:07] <ParkerR> Huh never tried mosh
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[18:11] <mjr> mosh is nice, hopefully there's no major security oopses in it
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[18:12] <Datalink> yeah, here's hoping
[18:13] <Datalink> it's nice when I travel between cell towers and wifi though
[18:13] <mjr> it is indeed
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[18:19] <ParkerR> Well I have screen for that :P
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[18:19] <ParkerR> (I get the point. Not having to run a separate application to keep things running
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[18:24] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Around ?
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[18:31] <Cymon> ParkerR, sorry for the late reply. I moved the new PATH statement to the end of the .profile file. Still no effect. Do you think it matters that I'm checking it through LXTerminal in XWindows instead of exiting XWindows and doing it on the command line proper?
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[18:32] <sam_nazarko> if you guys are trying to change PATH
[18:32] <sam_nazarko> you should do it in /etc/profile so it's global
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, hello?
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> Cymon, did you logout & login again?
[18:34] <Cymon> Rebooted.
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[18:35] <Cymon> sam_nazarko, but my /etc/profile has /usr/sbin and /sbin in them... so what does that mean?
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[18:36] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Have you got a nice example using wiringPi for pulsing a gpio pin for say 0.4s ?
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[18:36] <sam_nazarko> This is how I change PATH in Raspbmc for example
[18:36] <sam_nazarko> there is a PATH= defined in /etc/profile
[18:36] <sam_nazarko> http://svn.stmlabs.com/svn/raspbmc/patches/PATH.patch
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[18:37] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, #!/bin/sh ; gpio mode $pin out ; while true; do gpio write $pin 1 ; sleep 0.4 ; gpio write $pin 0 ; sleep 0.4 ; done
[18:37] <Gadget-Mac> Superb.
[18:37] <chod> gordonDrogon: what provides those commands at the shell
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, Or in C: http://unicorn.drogon.net/blink.c
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> chod, the 'gpio' program - which is part of wiringPi.
[18:38] <Cymon> sam_nazarko, what is the RPI_UPDATE_UNSUPPORTED line about?
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[18:38] <sam_nazarko> To stop people using rpi_update
[18:38] <sam_nazarko> not applicable in your case
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> chod, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[18:38] <Cymon> Why wouldn't you want people to use rpi_update?
[18:38] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Cheers.
[18:39] <sam_nazarko> because it breaks everything
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, adjust the times to suit in the C version.
[18:39] <chod> thx
[18:39] <sam_nazarko> Raspbmc handles its own firmware and kernel
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, you'll need to execute the C version with sudo.
[18:40] <chod> excellent, i have been folling ?your stuff
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> thanks.
[18:42] <chod> i have a mcp23s17 connected to my pi
[18:42] <ParkerR> Cymon, Have you logged out and back into X to see if it loaded it?
[18:42] <Cymon> ParkerR, doing that now.
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> chod, the s17 - that's SPI.
[18:43] <chod> yes
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> chod I'm actually working on a generic wiringPi extension to use the 23x17's. I have the I2C one going, but the only SPI one I have is the one on the PiFace.
[18:44] <chod> messing with a few things
[18:44] <chod> its a 32bit board
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> but once it's there, you can simply: wpi23017spiSetup (spiBus, id, pinBase) ; then digitalWrite (pinBase + pin, 1) ; etc.
[18:45] <chod> but following there code i am missing addressing sepearte parts
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[18:47] <gordonDrogon> there are 2 x 8-bit GPIO ports on the chip.
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[18:48] <chod> yes, there are two chips on the card
[18:48] <Cymon> ParkerR, sam_nazarko, didn't work. After reboot I go to LXTermincal and type "echo $PATH" and it shows "/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libfm:/usr/local/bin:usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> so if you have 32 bits of IO then I guess you have 2 chips.
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> ok
[18:48] <chod> i have example code from them but i dont fully understand the 'seperation' of ports
[18:48] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> where di you buy the board from? I've not (yet) heard of a SPI version...
[18:49] <chod> www.pridopia.co.uk/pi-23s17-2-ip.html
[18:50] <chod> ebay.
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[18:50] <chod> the piface on there page is your stuff?
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> piface isn't mine, no.
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> it's a project from Manchester Uny.
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> I just wrote an extnsion to wiringPi for it.
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> looks like I need to write the generic SPI variant of that chip now!
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[18:53] <gordonDrogon> I didn't realise there were any out in production.
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> I've seen plenty of I2C, but not the SPI one (other than piface)
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[18:53] <chod> there are more cards they are doing
[18:53] <chod> as no doubt you have seen on there pages
[18:54] <chod> i2c and spi
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[18:55] <gordonDrogon> just looked. yet another Pi hardware site - looks like he has quite a selection though.
[18:56] <chod> there example code duplicates the outputs hence i can see all the ports(or just dont understand it fully)
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> you could look at my current piface driver board for some hints.
[18:57] <chod> i will look some more :D
[18:58] <chod> got a url to the python ?
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[18:58] <gordonDrogon> python? what's that?
[18:58] <chod> yes
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> all my code is in C.
[18:58] <chod> phython
[18:58] <chod> nice
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> it probably won't help to see the C code then.
[18:59] <chod> it will
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> if only more people would program in C ..
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> https://git.drogon.net/?p=wiringPi;a=blob;f=wiringPi/wiringPiFace.c;h=ac3c6fa3ac0c8863cf21dd8ebe50401a2da3fe61;hb=98bcb20d9391ebde24f9eb1244f0d238fb1a1dab
[18:59] <chod> shame i cant click that
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> however the issue with that is that it's using my older SPI access code - it will still work, but ..
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> why not?
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> it's a perfectly good url..
[18:59] <chod> yup
[19:00] <chod> terminal session
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> try: http://url.drogon.net/1c
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> oh.
[19:00] <chod> on a pi (tmux) for more terminals
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> or just goto https://git.drogon.net/ and navigate through in lynx, etc.
[19:01] <chod> got
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> ot check it all out: git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi
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[19:09] <chod> 64bit version now also
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[19:15] <gordonDrogon> you can connect up to 8 mcp23s17's to a single SPI connectio on the Pi - so that's 8 x 16 = 128 bits - and there are 2 SPI buses, so 256 bits if you really needed them!
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> you can then connect a further 8 more to the i2c bus too...
[19:15] <chod> they have done more cards since i got mine, also a 128 bit version
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[19:17] <chod> intresting stuff, just a bit addled, may find some food
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[19:20] <enjuto> hi
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[19:20] <enjuto> hola, alguien que hable espa?ol y me pueda echar una mano ???????????????
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> enjuto, my hovercraft is full of eels.
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[19:22] <gordonDrogon> enjuto, Le agradezco su frustraci?n, pero nos gusta que sea Ingl?s aqu?, si es posible. Quiz?s traductor Google puede ayudar?
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[19:25] <enjuto> ok
[19:26] <enjuto> i have a problem with the configurition of ethernet in my raspberry pi
[19:26] <enjuto> not work
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> Is it plugged in? Are all the LEDs on? If so, then check for DHCP server working correctly. / ?Est? conectado? ?Son todos los LED? Si es as?, compruebe si el servidor DHCP funcionando correctamente.
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[19:30] <enjuto> how do i check that ??
[19:31] <chod> are the lights on ?
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[19:32] <enjuto> fdx green ln4 green 100 orange
[19:32] <enjuto> two green and other, orange
[19:33] <chod> what does ifconfig give?
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[19:35] <enjuto> eth0 link encap: ethernet hwaddr: "my mac direction "
[19:35] <enjuto> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
[19:35] <enjuto> nott apear ip direction..... that I read that this is important...
[19:36] <pksato> enjuto: cabe conneted also to? wifi router? switch?
[19:36] <pksato> cable
[19:36] <enjuto> all is ok....
[19:37] <enjuto> i dont no that I should be configure the programa "wifi config " ... in the desktop...
[19:38] <chod> u can manually set on on command line
[19:38] <mgottschlag> enjuto: to what is the pi connected? a router?
[19:38] <enjuto> yes, connected to router by cable
[19:39] <chod> has the router got dhcp enabled ?
[19:39] <chod> ie a server
[19:39] <mgottschlag> or did you configure something like a mac address filter in the router?
[19:39] <enjuto> i dont configure anything in the router
[19:39] <enjuto> ...
[19:40] <enjuto> perhaps I should configure the router.... and enable DHCP...
[19:40] <mgottschlag> DHCP should be enabled by default, at least if other devices can connect to the internet without any configuration
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[19:41] <enjuto> but in other computers all is ok.... by wifi or ethernet ...
[19:41] <enjuto> i dont know
[19:42] <chod> reboot it
[19:42] <chod> have you done an update?
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[19:42] <chod> installed anything recently?
[19:42] <enjuto> I continue investigating...
[19:42] <enjuto> update...no
[19:43] <enjuto> update the raspberry ??
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[19:45] <mgottschlag> enjuto: could you maybe upload all relevant system logs to a pastebin?
[19:46] <mgottschlag> I don't remember though where the system log is saved in raspbian
[19:46] <mgottschlag> probably /var/log/syslog
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[20:26] <andoma> is there a way to query the videocore about its current load?
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[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't see a relevant mailbox tag, but try asking in #raspberrypi-internals
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[20:34] <andoma> ShiftPlusOne: k, thanks
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[21:38] <Wolfram74> anybody familiar with openSCAD?
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[21:48] <SirStan> https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/481676_547622937337_188783851_n.jpg
[21:48] <SirStan> yay solar
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[21:50] <Shift_> SirFunk, looks great.
[21:50] <Shift_> SirStan,
[21:50] <Shift_> too many sirs here >=/
[21:50] <SirStan> ya
[21:50] <TAFB> nice, love the display, looks great :) solar panel is a little smaller than mine: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-02-22-CottonPickers_solar_panel_folder_large.jpg
[21:51] <Shift_> TAFB, you just always have to go over the top with these things, don't you? >_<
[21:51] <TAFB> if it's worth doing, it's worth over doing :)
[21:52] <piney> 'designed for TAFB' nice
[21:52] <TAFB> solar panel charges this battery box which runs the Pi: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-02-22-CottonPickers_solar_panel_folder/2012-02-22-battery_box_2amp_runtime_test_large.jpg
[21:52] <Shift_> including customized embroidery? O_o
[21:52] <piney> ^^
[21:52] <TAFB> haha. He usually embroders his logo there, so I asked him if he could put my name there too, he said sure :)
[21:52] <TAFB> he did it over the top, just how I like it
[21:52] <SirStan> TAFB: nice!.. mines a battery & panel the gf bought for xmas.
[21:53] <SirStan> http://store.solio.com/Solio-Store/Solio-Bolt-Solar-Charger-S620-AH1RW
[21:53] <TAFB> sweet :) where do I find GF's like that?
[21:53] <Shift_> heh
[21:53] <TAFB> you'll find, size does matter
[21:53] <TAFB> (at least for solar)
[21:53] <SirStan> internal 3.7v 2000ma battery
[21:53] <SirStan> yup
[21:53] <TAFB> nice! my box has four 3.7v 3400ma batteries :)
[21:54] <SirStan> Im amazed that the iPhone's A9 CPU uses <1 watt of power.
[21:54] <SirStan> while the Pi uses 2.2
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> it doesn't
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> the network chip uses most of the power
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> however.
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> the pi processor has basically no power management
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[21:55] <SpeedEvil> my similar speed n900 processor will do ~2mA@5v in sleep.
[21:55] <TAFB> I'm thinking the Model A but I'd like wifi or ethernet to keep tabs on things.
[21:55] <SirStan> oof
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[22:21] <kb9ylw> What's the most minimal Linux that's been packaged for the Raspberri Pi?
[22:21] <sam_nazarko> we probably come close with Raspbmc's installer
[22:22] <sam_nazarko> it's a Linux distro just for installing Raspbmc. 5MB for whole filesystem
[22:23] <kb9ylw> That qualifies.
[22:23] <sam_nazarko> yep.
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[22:23] <sam_nazarko> then 'RAMDISTRIBUTION' as i called it
[22:23] <sam_nazarko> it runs in RAM and is buildroot based
[22:23] <kb9ylw> Is there something more general purpose, perhaps without X?
[22:23] <sam_nazarko> arch probably
[22:23] <kb9ylw> (or with X and a window manager but no fat desktop)?
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[22:24] <sam_nazarko> you best start from scratch
[22:24] <sam_nazarko> with Debian base
[22:24] <sam_nazarko> dd and image, make a fat partition, pull lates FW in. Then, debootstrap raspbian minimal in
[22:24] <sam_nazarko> And use apt to build up
[22:26] <kb9ylw> What's a debootstrap?
[22:26] <sam_nazarko> google's your friend
[22:26] <sam_nazarko> it installs debian into a folder
[22:26] <sam_nazarko> or directory, rather
[22:26] <kb9ylw> ok.
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[22:44] <tdy_> you might as well just use arch if you don't already know how to debootstrap
[22:45] * kb9ylw nods
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[22:45] <kb9ylw> Thanks, I'll see what I can find.
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> chod, ping ?
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[23:18] <Soci3ty> hey, has anyone tried to use it as a rtorrent/ruTorrent server?
[23:18] <Soci3ty> i was wondering how it performed
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[23:23] <gordonDrogon> I understand there are varying degrees of usability in that area.
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> copying data from usb storage to ethernet and vice versa is sometimes problematic.
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> right 74595 expanders added into wiringPi... prob. won't test it tonight though.
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[23:26] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi now supports mcp23017 and mcp23s17's natively.
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> and the analog chips on the Gertboard.
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[23:36] <chod> gordonDrogon: read scrollback
[23:36] <ParkerR> Gaah. UnaClocker this touchpad on the lapdock gets worse as I use it
[23:36] <UnaClocker> heh..
[23:37] <UnaClocker> I just ordered a PCDuino for my Lapdock.. Love this, it's like a very very upgradable laptop.. ;)
[23:37] <UnaClocker> Hopefully I'll actually be able to use the thing for web browsing now.
[23:37] <ParkerR> USB mouse +1
[23:37] <UnaClocker> never.
[23:37] <ParkerR> ?
[23:38] <ParkerR> Never what?
[23:38] <UnaClocker> I don't like extra accessories for my laptops.. I don't use a laptop back, so it all needs to be self contained.. ;)
[23:38] <ParkerR> Heh
[23:38] <UnaClocker> bag, not back
[23:38] <ParkerR> Well a trackpad really isnt acceptable however you use it
[23:38] <ParkerR> :P
[23:39] <UnaClocker> The Apple ones are, but yeah, normal ones aren't.
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[23:40] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, It's just weird that the one on the lapdock feels laggy
[23:40] <UnaClocker> Mmm, never noticed lag.. I must have a slower mind. ;)
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[23:41] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Good luck building that PCDuino into the dock :P
[23:42] <UnaClocker> :) Thanks
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[23:42] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Was kinda sarcastic :P Looks kinda big and unweildy to mount
[23:43] <UnaClocker> I love this, the RPi did exactly what I was hoping it would, seed the market, prove the market, now the competition arrives. Competition is good for everyone playing the game. :) It's how we went from the OLPC, to netbooks, to the MacBook Air, to Ultrabooks..
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[23:43] <A124> Soci3ty: Torrent is low CPU. The only thing is storage. But torrents are mostly cached r/w
[23:43] <UnaClocker> RPi being the OLPC equivelant..
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[23:44] <Soci3ty> A124, i was thinking of using a 3TB usb hdd
[23:44] <A124> So you are a child with laptop? Duh
[23:44] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I will need to use a microHDMI to standard HDMI cable, rather than just the hard adapter I'm using now, as the HDMI port is on the end of that long board.. And yeah, I'll need to make some kind of mounting brackets, or just ziptie the darn thing.. ;)
[23:45] <Xark> UnaClocker: pcDuino is indeed interesting. The video I saw made browsing look more realistic (at least vs Midori). :)
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[23:45] <UnaClocker> I have the best luck browsing with Iceweasel (firefox) on the Pi.. Midori is missing too much, and seems slower than IW..
[23:45] <A124> Soci3ty: Then it should perform well on last Raspian. I had very low usages when using rtorrent on desktop
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[23:46] <Soci3ty> cool, thanks for the info :)
[23:46] <A124> Welcome. I'm currently writing from Pi btw
[23:46] <UnaClocker> A124: Me too. :)
[23:46] <Soci3ty> im trying to find a decent priced one on amazon, they all are $50 or so :/
[23:46] <rvl> anybody a good reference book or website on how to set up linux on an embedded system from sratch?
[23:46] <A124> I'm using Cli with windows
[23:47] <UnaClocker> Pi's are excellent for IRC.. Most energy efficient way of getting on IRC that I'm aware of.
[23:47] <A124> Also I can play youtube in cli
[23:47] <A124> xD
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[23:47] <UnaClocker> I use XChat..
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[23:47] <A124> So you use X :P
[23:47] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, How does Iceweasek fare against Chromium
[23:47] <UnaClocker> Yup
[23:47] <herbert__> has the raspberry pi "wake on LAN" support?
[23:47] <ParkerR> *Iceweasel
[23:47] <UnaClocker> herbert__: No, it has no sleep support.
[23:48] <UnaClocker> Chromium is a BEAST on the Pi..
[23:48] <UnaClocker> Way too big and heavy.
[23:48] <A124> Soci3ty: Even larger SD card class 10 should do really well
[23:48] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, I havent tried Iceweasel yet because thats how I saw Iceweasel
[23:48] <UnaClocker> Yeah, it's probably a much older version of Firefox, hence it still being lightweight.
[23:48] <herbert__> UnaClocker: so if it is shut down it shots COMPLETELY down and not only the OS?
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[23:49] <A124> Iceweasel is feature compact
[23:49] <UnaClocker> herbert__: No, if it shuts down, it stops running the OS, but can't power itself off or do anything to stop consuming electricity.
[23:49] <Soci3ty> A124, its $50 without the sd card :/
[23:49] <A124> Not old
[23:49] <A124> Soci3ty: You are talking about Pi?
[23:49] <UnaClocker> herbert__:
[23:50] <Soci3ty> yea
[23:50] <Soci3ty> on amazon
[23:50] <UnaClocker> And I'm talking a "sudo shutdown -h now" kind of shutdown, there is no auto-sleep or auto-shutdown.
[23:50] <A124> Then $50 is.. well ok if it includes shipping
[23:50] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Heh I told iceweasel to open and it took until I typed The last l in iceweasel in this message for it to open XD
[23:50] <herbert__> UnaClocker: ok, but am I able to power it up via ethernet? like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN ?
[23:50] <Soci3ty> how much did you pay when done with your purchase?
[23:50] <UnaClocker> ParkerR: Yeah, pretty quick.
[23:51] <Soci3ty> its from a 3rd party seller so i dont know for sure how much the markup is by the end of the order
[23:51] <Soci3ty> i know the model is $35 without all the extra shipping fees and taxes
[23:51] <UnaClocker> herbert__: No.
[23:51] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, No I meant that wAS SLOW
[23:51] <herbert__> UnaClocker: what a pity :/
[23:51] <chod> after a shutdown
[23:51] <A124> Um.. I guess $45
[23:51] <UnaClocker> herbert__: It's either running, or there's no OS in ram, ie, nobody's home.
[23:51] <A124> Farnell
[23:51] <ParkerR> Gaah caps
[23:51] <chod> its sat there with all leds off but one red
[23:52] <herbert__> UnaClocker: for Wake on Lan you do not have anything in RAM
[23:52] <UnaClocker> It may open the browser better, but loading websites is the important thing to me.
[23:52] <chod> ? it cannot come back up from there ?
[23:52] <herbert__> UnaClocker: it works on completely shut down OS
[23:52] <UnaClocker> chod: No.
[23:52] <A124> chod: NO
[23:52] <mgottschlag> herbert__: you have something in a microcontroller in the network card though
[23:52] <mgottschlag> and the raspberrypi doesn't have anything like that
[23:53] <chod> erm odd
[23:53] <A124> Soci3ty: But that $45 was shipping included of course
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[23:53] <herbert__> mgottschlag: y, I am looking for like... a BIOS switch that can be kicked by the ethernet controller.... WOL like on most other machines...
[23:53] <A124> Is 7W top a deal?
[23:53] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, Weird page loading seems about the same. Maybe a little quicker
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[23:54] <A124> herbert__: If you have running your modem, Pi should not hurt, as the modem eats more probably
[23:55] <Soci3ty> A124, did you buy a case with yours?
[23:55] <A124> I have one of the first, so no case was avaible
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[23:56] <herbert__> A124: y, I am just thinking of the case of a powercut and my raspy not rebooting or someone hacked it (I use it as small server) and it went down or sth... just to be able to boot it from somewhere else... :)
[23:57] <mgottschlag> I powered it from my wlan router for quite some time, it had a usb port which was connected to a GPIO of the router, so I could hard-reset it
[23:57] <herbert__> Question is if the ethernet chip/mainboard is capable of that
[23:57] <mgottschlag> no, certainly not
[23:57] <A124> Ah. Then Arduino with ethernet :D
[23:57] <ParkerR> herbert__, The processor has a built in watchdog thingy (for lack of a better word) that can monitor for shutdowns and restart
[23:57] <A124> And relay
[23:57] <ParkerR> Or freezes
[23:57] <A124> How to use the watchdog?
[23:58] <ParkerR> Something about a kernel module
[23:58] <A124> Soci3ty: http://www.emko.cz/katalog/it-skrine/mini-itx-skrine/em-raspberry-b-plus-silver hehe
[23:58] <ParkerR> I don't exactly remember
[23:59] <mgottschlag> actually, herbert__, the lan chip indeed supports it, but it is not wired to the videocore
[23:59] <A124> *facepalm triple*
[23:59] <herbert__> ParkerR: Case: I "shutdown -Ph now" my raspy. It is plugged to the LAN but has no running OS. Most enternet chips have the power to boot the system via a magical package and I would like to know if the ethernet chip on the raspy has that capability
[23:59] <herbert__> mgottschlag: does that mean It works in theory?

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