#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-03-04

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[0:00] <herbert__> :)
[0:00] <A124> It does not
[0:00] <mgottschlag> that means it cannot work because the videocore doesn't know whether a packet was received
[0:00] <ParkerR> herbert__, Result: Sorry
[0:00] <ParkerR> :P
[0:00] <herbert__> what do I need the video core for?
[0:01] <A124> http://pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/post/001-who-watches-the-watcher
[0:01] <A124> Watchdog.. yaaay. Thanks for the info
[0:01] <mgottschlag> the videocore chip is *the* processor of the pi, it's the chip containing the arm cpu
[0:01] <herbert__> mgottschlag: I see, k....
[0:02] <mgottschlag> actually, more important is the videocore processor on the chip which runs the firmware which does all the power management
[0:02] <mgottschlag> your best bet is a second low power board with a microcontroller which can reset the pi
[0:03] <herbert__> so the firmware does the work a BIOS would do on a bigger machine... that means me/someone could programm that capability into the firmware? do you know whom to contact for information like that?
[0:04] <mgottschlag> you certainly could keep the videocore processor running and switch off as much as possible of the rest
[0:04] <mgottschlag> and the videocore can reset the arm core
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[0:04] <A124> Bad is the Videocore instructions are closed.. The GPU could be so much used
[0:04] <mgottschlag> but the arm core also can crash the videocore, so that doesn't solve all problems
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[0:05] <netw1z> anyone know what the name of PIL for python is on apt-get repository for rpI?
[0:06] <herbert__> In my mind are some Raspys spread over ... lets say a building... that can be fired up at any time, maybe they have limited battery or sth... ;)...
[0:06] <mgottschlag> the only people which could implement such power management code work for the rpi foundations
[0:06] <mgottschlag> *foundation
[0:06] <herbert__> I need to get that running >D
[0:07] <mgottschlag> btw, like 30-40% of the power usage of the rpi comes from the network chip afair
[0:07] <herbert__> u sure?
[0:07] <ParkerR> And with UnaClocker's video you can remove that
[0:07] <ParkerR> ;)
[0:08] <mgottschlag> http://makezineblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/thermal_raspberrypi1.png?w=598&h=420
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[0:09] <herbert__> why is that? bad configuration in OS?
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[0:09] <herbert__> or cheap chip??? :D
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[0:10] <ParkerR> herbert__, Naah just it takes power
[0:10] <ParkerR> Like anything else
[0:10] <chod> why need wake on lan, just leave it on.
[0:10] <mgottschlag> note that the image there is from a rev1 board where the lan chip often used much more power because of a mistake in the power supply wiring
[0:11] <A124> v1 networking is chapter of itself xD
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[0:12] <herbert__> chod: its not always the condition that power is running out of a tiny cable inside of the wall ;)
[0:12] <mgottschlag> (looks like this on the image because the 1.8V (?) voltage regulator is completely cool)
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[0:12] <chod> when the power returns it would restart
[0:12] <A124> Any idea how much power v2 network uses?
[0:13] <herbert__> chod: thats nice, but what if I cant wait?
[0:13] <chod> wait for what
[0:13] <ParkerR> UnaClocker, "A124> Any idea how much power v2 network uses?"
[0:14] <A124> Use some compatible microchip, relay with NC state on, ethernet shield
[0:14] <herbert__> chod: think of this: shut down raspy, battery attached. at time/event XY raspy should start. That event is given via LAN. get it?
[0:14] <chod> have you seen how fast it boots from cold?
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[0:14] <chod> i can see the use,yes
[0:14] <A124> herbert__: Use microcontroller.
[0:15] <ParkerR> There are some ethernet addons for the Arduino
[0:15] <A124> Or Substitute it with some, if it's possible
[0:15] <chod> arduino
[0:15] <ParkerR> There are even some Arduinos with built in ethernet
[0:15] <A124> Wiznet 1005 or sth like that
[0:15] <herbert__> A124: sure, but I would rather use what I got because it is possible. why attach a whole board to the raspy if it has (in theory) the capeability do do it itself?
[0:16] <A124> What do you use it for?
[0:16] <chod> what job is the pi doing
[0:16] <ParkerR> herbert__, Because in theory it doesnt
[0:16] <A124> lol
[0:16] <herbert__> ParkerR: sure dows. the LAN chip supports WOL
[0:16] <ParkerR> herbert__, So says one guy in this channel.
[0:16] <mgottschlag> the board is more than the lan chip though :p
[0:16] <mgottschlag> really, it is impossible
[0:17] <mgottschlag> I know enough about the videocore to know it is completely unrealistic
[0:17] <mgottschlag> if you want to help us reverse engineering it though, we have some easy beginner tasks left :p
[0:17] <ParkerR> mgottschlag, (Not calling you a liar or anything. Just found it funny that he was going off of the word of one person)
[0:17] <A124> Theoreticaly you can use WOL and sth for power switch lol
[0:17] <chod> a clever addon board with lan monitor
[0:17] <herbert__> I am sure it works, everything you need is there.... an ethernet chip, a firmware to manage stuff and a processor.
[0:18] <mgottschlag> ParkerR: I just found it in the lan9512 datasheet
[0:18] <herbert__> question is, how can one do it ;) thats where the fun starts
[0:18] <mgottschlag> I wouldn't have believed it myself before
[0:18] <mgottschlag> (after all, why would a usb network card support wol? ^^)
[0:18] <ParkerR> ^^
[0:18] <A124> The chip has to support izt
[0:19] <mgottschlag> btw, difference between ARM core running and ARM core stopped probably isn't much more than 200-300 mA
[0:19] <mgottschlag> wait, doesn't model A only draw like 400mA total?
[0:19] <mgottschlag> then probably even less of a difference
[0:19] <mgottschlag> that is what you would get from a software solution running on the videocore processor
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[0:21] <A124> http://www.smsc.com/index.php?tid=300&pid=135
[0:21] <A124> It does support WOL
[0:21] * MichaelC|Away is now known as MichaelC
[0:21] <A124> Btw..
[0:22] <A124> If you want just times..
[0:22] <A124> *Timer
[0:22] <herbert__> I will keep on digging the net, maybe I find a solution :) thanks anyway for the help!
[0:22] <A124> You can use 555 to power it up by time
[0:22] <mgottschlag> it supports *USB* wake events, I doubt the videocore has hardware support for that
[0:22] <A124> I'm talking about network
[0:23] <A124> But as I said.. the chip could be used to trigger power somehow with HW hack
[0:23] <mgottschlag> yeah, I meant the lan chip
[0:23] <A124> herbert__: For what purpose you use the PI?
[0:23] <ParkerR> `Well the P6 header when shorted restarts the Pi
[0:23] <mgottschlag> but well, maybe one could indeed route the wol signal to one of the gpio pins of the lan chip
[0:23] <ParkerR> Just to the left of the HDMI port
[0:23] <A124> P6? LoL how?
[0:24] <ParkerR> There is two holes
[0:24] <ParkerR> *are
[0:24] <ParkerR> Just above the "P6" label
[0:24] <herbert__> A124: right now its my file/web/email/music server + router
[0:25] <herbert__> mgottschlag: that would be a beautiful solution :) something like that, with a transistor that is the powerswich...
[0:25] <jfpoole> Is there a way to collect system information on the Raspberry Pi (beyond what's available in /proc/cpuinfo)?
[0:26] <A124> I talked about transistor all the time
[0:27] <ParkerR> jfpoole, inxi
[0:27] <ParkerR> Google it :P
[0:27] <herbert__> A124: yes, but I want to give the information via LAN, because it is possible and has many pros (in my opinion)
[0:27] <jfpoole> ParkerR: Oh, neat. Thanks!
[0:27] <A124> Pi draws 2wats idle btw
[0:27] <A124> s/t/tt
[0:29] <herbert__> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs says they are working on it... (search PoE)
[0:29] <A124> herbert__: Maan, I was refering WOL transistor. you must have misunderstood
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[0:30] <herbert__> A124: I see.
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[0:30] <excalibas> Any reports on using the PS3 Eye with the Pi? does it work?
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[0:31] <herbert__> btw, is the board and the hardware open source?
[0:32] <nickgaw> Hi, What is the url for the latest raspberrypi firmware or a way to download the firmware and kernel modules as I contacted the raspberrypi foundation who now included the speakup kernel screen reader as modules and wish to test it out?
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[0:32] <herbert__> nickgaw: what operating system do you use?
[0:32] <mgottschlag> PoE != WoL
[0:32] <excalibas> herbert__: I think the board is not open source
[0:32] <nickgaw> debian linux and windows 7
[0:32] <mgottschlag> actually it should be possible to build a PoE adapter
[0:33] <chithead> nickgaw: all can be downloaded from https://github.com/raspberrypi/
[0:33] <herbert__> mgottschlag: yeah, just figured it out :D
[0:33] <mgottschlag> the schematics for the board are available though
[0:33] <ParkerR> mgottschlag, I know that has been done
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[0:33] <ParkerR> Somebody in here was showing it off
[0:33] <chithead> nickgaw: in the firmware repository you will also find a precompiled kernel
[0:34] <ParkerR> Use rpi-update to have it automagically update it for you
[0:35] <nickgaw> is rpi-update included in the default raspbian installation?
[0:37] <A124> nope
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[0:38] <jfpoole> ParkerR: Looks like inxi only reports CPU + kernel information on Raspberry Pi.
[0:38] <jfpoole> :(
[0:38] <ParkerR> jfpoole,
[0:38] <ParkerR> inxi -F
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[0:40] <A124> I have nto found inxi on google
[0:40] <A124> Also.. you say shorting P6 resets?
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[0:40] <A124> Is that a main purpose of P6?
[0:40] <ParkerR> A124, Yes
[0:41] <A124> Ok I found inxi google preference error. ParkerR thanks
[0:41] <jfpoole> ParkerR: Ah, that provides some more information. Too bad /sys/class/dmi isn't available. :-/
[0:41] <nickgaw> does the gert board connect on top of those pins on the top of the raspberrypi or is there a real connector?
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[0:44] <A124> Real connector? the pins are made for that, GPI
[0:44] <A124> *GPIO
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[0:52] <nickgaw> true but what I meant is how does the cable connect to the gpio pins does it go between them or on top of them?
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[0:54] <A124> Cable
[0:55] <A124> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/gertboard_raspi.png
[0:55] <A124> nickgaw, ping
[0:55] <tdy_> hmm
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[0:57] <tdy_> so right now i have a sensor connected via a pi cobber + breadboard http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-pi-cobbler-kit/overview
[0:58] <tdy_> was thinking about getting an expansion board like the gertboard, but looking at that png, i'm not sure where i'd put my current sensor
[0:59] <nickgaw> I am totally blind so an image won't really help me. I should have said this earlier can someone discribe to me where on the raspberrypi the cable connects to the gertboard?
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[0:59] <tdy_> the corner with the 26 pins
[1:00] <nickgaw> yes but does the cable connect or go between them or does it fit on top of them?
[1:00] <tdy_> go between them?
[1:00] <tdy_> the plug will have 26 holes to fit the 26 pins
[1:00] <A124> lol
[1:00] <nickgaw> yes like the cable goes where the pins are on either side of it
[1:01] <nickgaw> ok got it
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[1:01] <nickgaw> are they selling gertboards premade yet?
[1:01] <formax_> I got an email few weeks back stating they do
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[1:02] <formax_> not sure if that still is the case, check farnell
[1:03] <A124> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-51726
[1:03] <A124> They do
[1:03] <A124> Already was checking it sooner :)
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[1:04] <A124> 236 in stock
[1:04] <A124> The unassebled costs the same hefty $50 price lol
[1:04] <formax_> darn, and I just wanted to order 237
[1:05] <A124> haha
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[1:07] <tdy_> 236 really?
[1:07] <tdy_> says out of stock for me
[1:07] <tdy_> unless i'm looking at the wrong place
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[1:08] <tdy_> ah from farnell
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[1:20] <a5m0> how many servos can a rpi drive natively on gpio? without add-on boards
[1:23] <A124> http://code.google.com/p/raspy-juice/
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[1:23] <plugwash_> iirc there is only one pin with hardware PWM but it may be possible to (ab)use other perhipherals to generate a signal that can be used for controlling a servo
[1:24] <plugwash_> it may also be possible to do it in software though I suspect it would have to be done in the kernel to get sufficient timing stability
[1:25] <Soci3ty> A124, one more question, have you been able to bitstream DTS-MA?
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[1:26] <a5m0> thanks plug
[1:26] <A124> I have not done that
[1:27] <applegekko> how can i stop the PI from lagging in the ssh session?
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[1:28] <A124> Laggin? I'm not laggin
[1:29] <chod> less pron
[1:30] <Soci3ty> okay, one last question, do they come with a power cord?
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[1:30] <chod> no
[1:30] <Soci3ty> damn, okay
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[1:30] <chod> same as a modern smart phone
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[1:39] <Soci3ty> if i have a motorola microusb charger, would they be intercompatible?
[1:39] <Soci3ty> im assuming the usb voltage is standardized
[1:39] <chod> 5v > 700ma
[1:40] <Soci3ty> okay, thanks
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[1:41] <chod> =>700ma
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[1:51] <A124> Soci3ty: No I have not worked with DST
[1:52] <Soci3ty> okay, it appears after researching it that it does not currently
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[2:38] <fr0g911> hey hey hey
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[3:08] <netw1z> anyone know how can i get gspd gps deamon to start at boot?
[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> which OS?
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[3:09] <netw1z> raspbian
[3:10] <netw1z> wheezy
[3:10] <netw1z> right now manually doing this: gpsd /dev/ttyUSB0 -F /var/run/gpsd.sock
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[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> does gspd come with a service? I am not sure what it is in raspbian, but I'd start by checking /etc/init.d
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> the messies way is to just add that line to rc.local, but I'd use the service if they provide one.
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[3:13] <netw1z> gotcha
[3:13] <netw1z> there is one in init
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[3:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure what the command in debian is, but look it up. You can autostart any service
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[3:17] <upgrdman> anyone tried to use a pi as a SSH NAS? not sure if it has enough processing processing power to do it with ssh + usb hdd
[3:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Why processing power? It should be fine.
[3:18] <malcom2073> upgrdman: My Atom board doesn't, so I'd doubt the PI does either :P
[3:18] <malcom2073> ShiftPlusOne: SSH file transfer takes an incredible amount of processing power
[3:18] <upgrdman> ShiftPlusOne, ssh? encryption, quick...
[3:18] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[3:18] <malcom2073> I never noticed before heh
[3:19] <ShiftPlusOne> I have been using NFS and that was fine, I wouldn't think that ssh would add that much of an overhead.
[3:19] <malcom2073> However, it may be able to do FTP unencrypted just fine
[3:19] <malcom2073> It's not bandwidth overhead, it's processing power to encrypt it
[3:20] <upgrdman> ya. i might go that route. or repurpose an old laptop with esata+gige to do the job.
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[3:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah I understood that part
[3:20] <neirpyc> Does anyone share music from their Pi to OS X?
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[3:40] <MyCah> Hello
[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
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[3:41] <MyCah> I have a really nooby question about a breadboard and the pi. I have jumper cables that don't have pins on them, it's just the bare wire. What's the easiest way to connect it to the male connectors on the pi?
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[3:42] <SirStan> get better jumpers
[3:42] <ShiftPlusOne> or use a ribbon cable. maybe a floppy or ide cable
[3:43] <SirStan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dupond-Male-to-Female-Jumper-Wire-20CM-40P-Color-Ribbon-Breadboard-Cable-/281072752014?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41713dd58e
[3:43] <SirStan> i use those
[3:43] <ShiftPlusOne> They're pretty common, but make sure no pins are shorted internally.
[3:43] <SirStan> https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/481676_547622937337_188783851_n.jpg
[3:43] <pksato> or buy adapter from adafruit.
[3:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I think if he wanted to buy something, he'd phrase the question a bit differently. O_o
[3:44] <SirStan> ShiftPlusOne: did he say 'easiest' or 'cheapest' ?
[3:44] <SirStan> :)
[3:44] <MyCah> Well, I don't mind buying something but would prefer not to. Was hoping there was a way to add the pins myselfor something
[3:44] <SirStan> mycah: you can certainly solder connectors onto the cable if you have them.
[3:44] <SirStan> or use an old FDD cable
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[3:46] <pksato> but, not all have a computer/electronics `junk'.
[3:46] <SirStan> What are the pins called that you can put into the breadboard and have male connectors (like on the pi itself).
[3:46] <ShiftPlusOne> headers?
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[3:47] <MyCah> Know of any local US stores that may sell jumpers with headers?
[3:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Not a yank myself, but doesn't radioshack sell that sort of thing?
[3:48] <MyCah> Yeah that's where I got the ones without headers.
[3:48] <SirStan> my radioshack doesnt have crap
[3:48] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[3:48] <ShiftPlusOne> You can just order online from digikey or something
[3:48] <MyCah> I didn't see any with, unfortunately. They had everything else I needed, though -- for once.
[3:48] <pksato> MyCah: you have a cable that fit on rpi, but, not on breadboard?
[3:48] <SirStan> ShiftPlusOne: i order from HK on ebay.. slower but cheaper than DK
[3:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Not much of a selection of electronics on ebay oddly enough
[3:49] <SirStan> i love adafruit/et al.. but zomg shipping.
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[3:53] <MyCah> :( Disconnected
[3:54] <MyCah> Anyway -- I'm trying to avoid shipping costs because most of the parts I have found are comparable or better in brick and mortar stores, and online I have to pay $5+ shipping. bleh.
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[3:54] <UnaClocker> Yeah, the price of shipping really hurts a budget device like the Pi.. Order in bulk, the shipping starts to level off.. ;)
[3:55] <UnaClocker> What "parts" are you trying to buy?
[3:57] <MyCah> I got LEDs and resistors today for a better price than what I could find on amazon, for example. The jumper wires were about the same price, too.
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[4:00] <ParkerR> Now that's one heck of a power supply http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG5EgFetv8Y
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[4:02] <piney> hot swappable
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[4:02] <ParkerR> Yep thanks to the power controller onboard
[4:03] <ParkerR> These things (servers) were really meant to be on
[4:03] <piney> yep
[4:03] <piney> they sure suck up power too
[4:03] <ParkerR> In a business environment any downtime would have been bad
[4:03] <ParkerR> Yeah...
[4:04] <ParkerR> That's why I decommissioned this one recently
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[4:04] <SirStan> i love access poitns with USB ports.
[4:05] <SirStan> wifi to ethernet bridge and pi power supply all in one.
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[4:05] <ParkerR> Neat. I sometimes use an old WRT54G as a client to supply ethernet to varies devices that lack wifi
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[4:05] <ParkerR> *various
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[4:42] <PReDiToR> I keep my old WRT54G strapped to my desk for exactly that. DD-WRT on it and a simple password for the WPA2. Lets my wire or wireless connect other people's machines to my network without having to give them the key to my proper SSID.
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[5:05] <ParkerR> PReDiToR, Nice. Mine isn't even broadcasting at all. Just connecting to the main router and sharing that connection to the ethernet ports
[5:05] <ParkerR> Client mode in DD-WRT's little dropdown menu
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[5:42] <SirStan> dallas one wire sensors kick butt
[5:43] <fr0g911> anyone used Owncloud before
[5:43] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[5:44] <fr0g911> hey ya ShiftPlusOne how goes it
[5:45] <ShiftPlusOne> hey
[5:45] <ShiftPlusOne> It goes well
[5:46] <fr0g911> ;0
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[5:47] <tdy_> so i'm thinking maybe the reason i've been so confused about controlling 2 i2c sensors is that they're the exact same sensors
[5:48] <tdy_> if they both show up as 0x1d when connected individually, what happens when i connect both at the same time?
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[5:48] <tdy_> b/c i only see 0x1d when i use i2cdetect
[5:49] <fr0g911> hey maybe you can shade some light on something i've been wondering, say i have 20+ users all there camera's are recorded to a server using blue iris, i dont like there web login software i was thinking of like running a cloud server to host the files so the user can login and view the movie clips
[5:49] <piney> tdy_, some i2c devices have a way to change it's address. do your devices have that?
[5:50] <ShiftPlusOne> would this be running on a pi?
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[5:50] <tdy_> piney: ah ok, so then they won't automatically resolve their address collisions.. i just assumed that would be automatic
[5:50] <tdy_> i'll look into it, it's the MMA7455L http://www.freescale.com/files/sensors/doc/data_sheet/MMA7455L.pdf
[5:50] <fr0g911> yea i would hope so if not then on a very fast server tricore
[5:51] <fr0g911> its currently being ran via master server that streams and encodes on the fly using vlc but i can transfer the files via ftp to the pi
[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> in my experience owncloud is less than ideal on a pi. I have seen people say otherwise
[5:53] <fr0g911> hmm
[5:53] <ShiftPlusOne> (by less than ideal, I mean barely usable) Why not NFS or something like that?
[5:54] <piney> tdy_, I don't see a way to address that IC, but there are two separate i2c busses on the pi rev2 board. If your pi is rev2, the second bus is on the p6 header.
[5:54] <fr0g911> hmm
[5:54] <fr0g911> thanks
[5:55] <piney> p5 header*
[5:55] <fr0g911> im looking at owncloud
[5:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Owncloud seems like a good enough solution if you're on a real computer
[5:56] <fr0g911> i just really need a cloud server so people can login in the server and see there files and download them
[5:57] <SirStan> uhgggggg cloud.
[5:57] * Xark links to 2nd I2C header attachment info -> http://medicforlife.blogspot.com/2013/02/two-i2c-buses-on-raspberry-pi.html
[5:57] <fr0g911> prob i have is the server is running xp
[5:57] <ParkerR> Neat. Found an adb and fastboot binary for the Pi
[5:58] <SirStan> whats a fastboot bin?
[5:58] <Xark> what is an adb? :)
[5:58] <SirStan> i wish the rasp booted as fast as a canon camera
[5:58] <ParkerR> Umm
[5:58] <ParkerR> Cant really compare those two
[5:58] <SirStan> ParkerR: why not?
[5:58] <SirStan> ParkerR: My Canon 5D runs VxWorks
[5:58] <swk> anyone recommend a good short run board fab house? (like here's eagle or gerber files and a box of parts make these boards)
[5:59] <TAFB> magic lantern ftw :)
[5:59] <SirStan> fuck magic lantern.
[5:59] <ParkerR> Because the Canon is booting very specialized builds for the Canon hardware
[5:59] <fr0g911> awww bad words
[5:59] <TAFB> i love it, and watch the language, family channel :)
[6:00] <ParkerR> Its not having to load networking, cron, etc
[6:00] <TAFB> gettin close to 2 months uptime! :) http://tafb.yi.org/
[6:01] <ParkerR> TAFB, That doesnt count. Call me when its a Pi :P
[6:01] <TAFB> haha :)
[6:01] <tdy_> piney: i do have a rev2, but then what do i actually connect to the P5 header? SDA? SCL?
[6:01] <Xark> SirStan: It can boot very fast with an optimized distro (for example about 3 seconds for Marshmallow Entertainment System to boot) -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=4Fjfqz6FxC8
[6:01] <TAFB> My Pi will be solar powered, I have not as much expectation for it's uptime :)
[6:02] <ParkerR> Arch also boot fast
[6:02] <ParkerR> *boots
[6:02] <TAFB> Arch boots fast as snot on my SGFH with SSD :)
[6:02] <ShiftPlusOne> swk, more of an ##electronics question.
[6:03] <Xark> swk: Yeah, although from what I have read can be summed up with OSHPark for quality or ITead/Seeed for cheap. :)
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[6:06] * Xark links http://www.youritronics.com/seeed-studio-vs-itead-studio-vs-osh-park/
[6:06] <tdy_> piney: ok i think i found what i need: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1929
[6:06] <ParkerR> Xark, Just watching that video in omxplayer doesnt explain much. Is there something in th description giving more details?
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[6:06] <tdy_> thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[6:07] <ParkerR> All I see if a sprite falling to the ground
[6:07] <piney> tdy_, thats a good post to describe it, better than what i was coming up with
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[6:07] <Xark> ParkerR: Regarding MES? Yeah, that was just one tiny boot video, check out -> http://guillermoamaral.com/about/
[6:08] <swk> Xark: OSHPark doesnt do actual assembly tho right?
[6:09] <Xark> swk: No, all those places just make the PCB and send it to you. If you also want it fab'd, Seeed can do that (and probably others).
[6:09] <piney> tdy_, check in to pull up resistors, make sure they are there for the p5 header's i2c bus
[6:09] <swk> Xark: I'm waiting on bare boards from them now for through hole stuff, but I was thinking of getting some smd stuff done
[6:09] <Xark> swk: Well, plenty of people "hand assemble" SMD stuff (with small oven, hot plate or even just steady hand).
[6:10] <swk> yeah
[6:10] <ShiftPlusOne> How does it work when you need your boards built up as well? Do you have to send the reels or what?
[6:10] <swk> but I dont want to hand assemble 100 boards lol
[6:10] <Xark> swk: No doubt it can be done, but 100 boards is pretty small run (so $$$ per board).
[6:11] <swk> yeah
[6:11] <Xark> swk: Lot of effort to program pick & place etc (so small runs are not easy).
[6:11] <swk> I might just have to get a hot air station
[6:11] <Xark> swk: Lots of info on DIY hardware making at Dangerousprototypes.com (the forums are great for this).
[6:12] <swk> yeah
[6:12] <Xark> swk: Recently lots of chatter about SMD equipment you can get for cheap on ebay (with video reviews etc.).
[6:12] <swk> i have seen some of the diy ovens lol
[6:13] <Xark> swk: Yeah, this is a bit nicer (but more expensive). I think ~$500 small SMD oven for example. They also had a flux paste dispenser and a desktop pick & place and a small SMD hotplate etc.
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[6:15] <tdy_> piney: the "S5" header is what's confusing me now.. it talks about the P1-05 and P1-03 pins which i'm currently using, but on the elinux GPIO page, i don't see any mention of S5 pins
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[6:15] <tdy_> not sure what S5-13 and S5-14 are supposed to be
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[6:16] <piney> tdy_, s5 is the camera plug. you want p5
[6:16] <piney> hmm
[6:16] <piney> 1 sec. that was an assumption
[6:16] <Xark> tdy_: Was this helpful -> http://medicforlife.blogspot.com/2013/02/two-i2c-buses-on-raspberry-pi.html
[6:16] <piney> yes, s5 is the camera header
[6:17] <tdy_> Xark: oh i didn't notice that before, i'll check
[6:17] <piney> p5 is the one next to the big 26 pin header, not populated
[6:17] <piney> another thing about p5 is it's made to be used from the bottom, so if used from the top, be careful of which pin is which
[6:18] <Xark> tdy_: Be aware the pin number is confusing (numbered as if you put the connector sticking out the bottom of the RPi).
[6:18] <Xark> numbering*
[6:18] <piney> ^^
[6:18] <Xark> :)
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[6:19] <tdy_> ah great, now i see where it's supposed to be
[6:19] <tdy_> there aren't even any pins there atm
[6:19] <piney> correct
[6:20] <Xark> Older boards unhelpfully filled in the holes too...
[6:20] <piney> i'm surprised no one has made a real time clock board to connect to the p5 header yet. or any other add-on board really
[6:21] <Xark> piney: I think there are several RTC boards (or boards that also include RTC).
[6:22] <piney> i haven't seen one for the p5 header yet though.
[6:22] <piney> i can see that being nice to leave the other header alone
[6:22] <Xark> piney: Ahh, no. Soldering required makes it a harder sell.
[6:22] <piney> lots of add-on boards using the p1 header
[6:23] <piney> meh
[6:30] <tdy_> guess it's finally time for me to solder.. i've put off so many things
[6:30] <RiXtEr> tdy_, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=28626
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[6:36] <tdy_> RiXtEr: is that just further clarification, or is it a new method?
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[6:37] <tdy_> i don't fully get all the stuff about alt0
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[7:00] <piney> cool aluminum raspberry pi case: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminium-Raspberry-Pi-Case-/221195814971?pt=US_Computer_Cases&hash=item33804c483b
[7:00] <neirpyc> are there any cases out there for holding two pis?
[7:01] <neirpyc> i haven't seen any that weren't lego
[7:02] <piney> neirpyc, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Setek-Dual-Raspberry-Pi-Media-Center-Case-Aluminum-and-Acrylic-/251236117936?pt=US_Computer_Cases&hash=item3a7ed6edb0
[7:02] <piney> with pi in one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Setek-Raspberry-Pi-Media-Center-Case-Aluminum-and-Acrylic-/251236120168?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7ed6f668
[7:02] <neirpyc> Oh, cool.
[7:03] <piney> looking at that, you should be able to stack a lot of cases
[7:03] <piney> pick one you like
[7:03] <neirpyc> Yeah, I was just thinking about ordering a second Pi since the one I have has been turned into the media center.
[7:04] <neirpyc> It's like the Pi knew I was talking about it. Won't let me SSH in now...
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[7:06] <piney> I have one rev1 and one rev2. the 256mb rev1 board is in use, and the 512mb rev2 is next to me not in use atm. had it for about 2 months now and still only use 1
[7:07] <neirpyc> Haha
[7:07] <piney> still adding stuff to the first one, and that's keeping me busy in my free time
[7:07] <neirpyc> Nice
[7:07] <neirpyc> I was running Openelec on it until this morning.
[7:08] <neirpyc> Just put Raspbmc on it instead to see how it fares running my webserver in the background.
[7:10] <piney> i keep attempting to make a pretty temperature graph using 1wire ds18b20 temp sensors. then i want to add other weather station stuff to it.
[7:11] <fr0g911> wow i have 12 pi's and everyone of them is in use i couldnt stand seeing one not pluged in lol
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[7:12] <piney> it's nice having one here when someone mentions S5, or D12, etc lol. sad to say, thats the most use i have got out of it atm
[7:13] <piney> i even soldered the 2 pin reset header and p5 to the top side
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[7:13] <fr0g911> wow
[7:14] <fr0g911> you need to broaden your horizons
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[7:14] <piney> i need more time to do this stuff AND work lol
[7:14] <fr0g911> lol i hear ya
[7:15] <fr0g911> i work 50+ hours at my real job i also mod systems on the side and run a ipcamera security company on the side
[7:15] <fr0g911> and take the time to mess with the pi's
[7:16] <piney> i'm self employed and i do alarm systems
[7:17] <fr0g911> and im also training for the Tough Mudder Houston 2013
[7:17] <piney> been sick the past 2 days, frustrating cause i have time, but not in the right state of mind to program what i have been working on
[7:17] <piney> nice
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[7:17] <piney> where are they holding that one at?
[7:17] <piney> a paintball field?
[7:18] <neirpyc> My wife did a Tough Mudder run last year.
[7:19] <fr0g911> oh
[7:19] <fr0g911> its
[7:19] <fr0g911> at the royal purple raceway
[7:19] <fr0g911> in baytown tx
[7:19] <piney> cool
[7:20] <piney> tough mudder is one of the better ones that do those endurance runs
[7:21] <neirpyc> My wife really liked the Spartan Race
[7:21] <neirpyc> I would have died
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[7:22] <fr0g911> im gonna die
[7:22] <fr0g911> but it will be fun
[7:23] <piney> i hope the weather cooperates for you
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[7:23] <piney> wont matter much later on in the day, but helps in the beginning
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[7:24] <Coburn> Could someone pastebin a generic cmdline.txt ?
[7:24] <Coburn> That works with the new bootloader/firmware?
[7:25] <Coburn> I'm about to ship one to US and I need a working cmdline.txt
[7:26] <tdy_> are you assuming a distro?
[7:26] <tdy_> http://sprunge.us/GhhG is my default arch one, but i dunno if it should be the same on other distros
[7:28] <Coburn> that should do it
[7:28] <Coburn> I'm shipping it with my raspbian rootfs
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[9:19] <Davespice> morning
[9:19] <herobubba> good morning
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[9:49] <cityLights> morning all
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[9:52] <herobubba> are raspberry pis still taking forever to ship?
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[9:54] <cityLights> I am following the kernel compilation and when I issue make oldconfig I am asked a lot of questions
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[9:55] <cityLights> I ran make menuconfig before and I still need to answer about +2Tb and such
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[9:55] <cityLights> how to avoid this and use defaults/
[9:55] <cityLights> ?
[9:56] <Ryanteck> Morning
[9:58] <Ryanteck> herobubba I don't beleive they are taking as long as they used to, depends on where you order from
[9:58] <linuxstb> herobubba: I received all of mine within a week or two (apart from the one I ordered from RS, which took 4 months)
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[9:59] <herobubba> thanks to both of you. i want one but im not sure i could take six weeks of waiting for it to get here
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> herobubba, depends on where you are. last ones I ordered came 18 hours after I ordered them.
[10:00] <herobubba> im in the us
[10:01] <Ryanteck> Shouldn't take 6 weeks
[10:01] <linuxstb> herobubba: Have you looked at the websites of the US distributors? I would expect them to quote a lead time.
[10:02] <Ryanteck> Adafruit have them in stock
[10:02] <Xark> herobubba: If you want one, they will (most likely) ship it tomorrow -> http://www.adafruit.com/products/998
[10:02] <herobubba> http://www.alliedelec.com/lp/120626raso/ says this " Due to continued demand and limited supply of the Raspberry Pi Model B, delivery times will vary and may exceed 6 weeks. We regret this inconvenience and sincerely thank you for your patience."
[10:02] <Ryanteck> and so do newark
[10:02] <Ryanteck> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/model-b-assembled-board-only/dp/43W5302
[10:02] <tdy_> model still seems rare though.. i'd like a couple
[10:02] <tdy_> modelA*
[10:03] <Ryanteck> Not produced as much as the model b
[10:03] <Ryanteck> I think only the UK factory is producing Model A
[10:03] <Ryanteck> where as both the UK factory and the china one is producing model B
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[10:04] <herobubba> i might get one next month. my point is when i order something the suspense kills me
[10:04] <Ryanteck> Not as bad as what it was a year ago ^^
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[10:21] <phw> I am looking for a way with my pi to check if my (high voltage) stove is on or not (. Do you have some ideas? Programming is no problem, but what about the hardware side?
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[10:26] <Ryanteck> You could use one of the power usage monitors for it
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[10:29] <gordonDrogon> just on or off?
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> if so, there are many ways to do it.
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[10:30] <gordonDrogon> one might be to wire a "wall wart" into it, so that when it's on, so is the PSU, then have the PSU feed into the gpio, so you can sense it.
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> other ways involve directly connecting to the internal high voltage though - there are several circuits to do it.
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[10:30] <gordonDrogon> if you're happy to deal with high voltage, then go for it, but if not, then I'd leave it well along.
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[10:35] <phw> Well I would prefer if there was a cheap solution I just could plug into the pi. Getting the information if it is on or not is enough, no need for a high voltage relais to turn it off.
[10:35] <Ryanteck> yeh, it would also be a bit more risky as I would assume that a stove uses a lot more ampage than some others
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[10:37] <phw> I am not an electrician, so I am looking for a safe solution :)
[10:38] <ripzay> hall sensor ?
[10:38] <ripzay> assuming it's AC ?
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[10:39] <ripzay> you can wrap a coil around the power lead to the AC device and then a small circuit will sense the current flow through the AC cable
[10:39] <ripzay> (it will induce a current in the coil)
[10:40] <ripzay> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogowski_coil
[10:40] <ripzay> like this
[10:41] <phw> oh, so i don't even have to interfear with the current wiring, that is a good idea
[10:42] <ripzay> correct
[10:42] <ripzay> it's exactly how those energy monitor things you can get work
[10:43] <phw> i have no idea about those energy monitors, but that sounds like a good idea. my gf is a little bit paranoid about leaving the stove on and this would be a nice project to do with the pi
[10:43] <ripzay> my gf has the same issue with her hair straighteners :D
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[10:44] <ripzay> i dont know if there is an off the shelf piece of hardware which will interface with the pi.. but tbh looking at the circuit diagram in wikipedia, it isn't that expensive anyway
[10:46] <ripzay> there is a simpler one which just uses a magnet, but i dont know what it's called
[10:47] <ripzay> http://dcc-mueller.de/wire4dcc/sensor_e.htm
[10:47] <phw> This: http://openenergymonitor.org/emon/emonbase/raspberrypi seems to do something I would want, as there is the possibility of putting the sensor on the stove, not the raspberry itself
[10:47] <ripzay> that may be of help
[10:47] <phw> oh nice!
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[10:57] <phw> ripzay: I think this: http://shop.openenergymonitor.com/100a-max-clip-on-current-sensor-ct/ will fit perfectly.
[10:58] <ripzay> looks promising :D
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[10:58] <ripzay> should be easy to detect given that it's a high power stove
[10:58] <ripzay> it's not like you're trying to detect an LED turning on
[10:58] <mjr> should be if you can reach the cable to clip it on, yeah
[10:58] <ripzay> also means your pi will be safe from the high voltages
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[10:59] <ripzay> you will need some circuitry behind that btw
[11:00] <ripzay> you'll get an analogue signal from it.. you'll need to convert it to digital and feed it into the GPIO
[11:02] <ripzay> there are IC's that will do it
[11:02] <ripzay> you'll need a current input ADC
[11:03] <cityLights> in http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation 11. is wrong
[11:03] <ripzay> however the cheap option is to use a couple of resistors and an opamp
[11:03] <cityLights> how to fix the wiki?
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[11:04] <mgottschlag> there are current sensors which already include an opamp
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> could you light an LED via a coil winding on the mains line?
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[11:05] <gordonDrogon> If so, then just feed it into an opto isolator..
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> better still - just remember to switch it off after use ;-)
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[11:07] <lord4163> Hello :)
[11:07] <phw> ripzay: i would just use the board of openenergymonitor
[11:09] <lord4163> I got a challenge, I want to synchronously play music to my raspberry and to my PC, is that possible? What upnp daemons do I have to use?
[11:12] <Ryanteck> Does anyone know if the Raspberry Pi can emulate commodore 64?
[11:13] <mjr> sure, using eg. vice
[11:14] <lord4163> mjr: is that running without GUI?
[11:14] <mjr> without X you mean? probably not
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[11:15] <cityLights> gordonDrogon: hi there
[11:15] <cityLights> I managed to build a kernel
[11:15] <Ryanteck> with X
[11:15] <cityLights> but I need to build grub with btrfs support -
[11:15] <mjr> lord4163, oh, vice is a commodore emulator, I was talking to Ryanteck
[11:15] <cityLights> how to do this?
[11:15] <Ryanteck> Thanks mjr
[11:15] <Ryanteck> using it in an assignment as a device that can play video games
[11:16] <cityLights> can I build grub on the pi and install it in the FAT partition?
[11:16] <Ryanteck> apart from my SNES I don't have any consoles
[11:16] <lord4163> mjr: :(
[11:16] <lord4163> Noone knows? :(
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[11:17] <mjr> lord4163, should be somewhat possible with pulseaudio, but I haven't set such a beast up myself
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[11:19] <lord4163> damn it would be so awesome :P
[11:20] <mjr> (mind you not sure if pulse will do if you have a non-linux PC)
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[11:22] <lord4163> mjr: ofcourse all linux :P
[11:22] <Viper7> Mpd too for linux systems
[11:23] <Viper7> I use mpd to fork audio on my pi
[11:24] <lord4163> Btw I have a Synology NAS where I stream from :)
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[11:26] <lord4163> What about http://www.mysqueezebox.com/ ?
[11:27] <lord4163> no maybe not :P
[11:31] <lord4163> why should it be so complicated...
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[11:36] <ripzay> lord4163
[11:36] <lord4163> yes? :)
[11:36] <ripzay> there are plans for synced media playback in xbmc
[11:37] <ripzay> and i dont know if there are any platforms that do it now
[11:37] <ripzay> i assume you want it for something like multi room audio ?
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[11:38] <lord4163> yeah
[11:38] <ripzay> it's a difficult thing to do.. because even two machines with the exact same hardware wont have syncronised clocks.. one might playback a fraction faster than another and the sound will go out of sync
[11:38] <ripzay> i want exactly the same thing, and i have been looking for a solution and not found one
[11:38] <ripzay> i just know that it's planned for xbmc, but with no date against it.. it might never happen
[11:39] <ripzay> http://xbmc.us/njbetzen/2012/09/17/the-xbmc-mesh-a-future-concept/
[11:39] <ripzay> ;o
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> cityLights, grub? on the Pi?
[11:39] <lord4163> ripzay: so when is it ready? :P
[11:40] <ripzay> no idea.. i'd write it myself, but i wouldnt know where to start.. and i can't write C :D
[11:40] <chithead> after all, grub is such a nice os. just with a poor boot loader :p
[11:40] <cityLights> I am guessing I can still point grub to the first FAT partition then use the second partition as btrfs
[11:40] <cityLights> Now I added btrfs as a build in file system
[11:40] <cityLights> it was a module
[11:41] <cityLights> so it should work
[11:41] <cityLights> eithgt?
[11:41] <cityLights> right?
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[11:42] <lord4163> what's wrong with grub? :P
[11:42] <cityLights> well grub now does allow to boot directly to btrfs
[11:42] <cityLights> it only supports ext{2..4}
[11:42] <cityLights> and FAT
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[11:44] <ripzay> there is full btrfs support in the experimental grub2 builds (afaik)
[11:45] <ripzay> dunno though, i've never used btrfs.. ever
[11:47] <lord4163> cityLights: use EXT4 - problem solved :D
[11:48] <cityLights> old file systems dont check the data they read
[11:48] <cityLights> no DIF mechanizm is used
[11:48] <cityLights> BTRFS has this
[11:48] <cityLights> and snpshots
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[11:48] <cityLights> too bad he left
[11:49] <lord4163> Found a nice upnp daemon :) https://github.com/hzeller/gmrender-resurrect#readme
[11:49] <ripzay> i run xbmc as a headless UPnP renderer on my pi
[11:50] <lord4163> can't even install xbmc
[11:50] <lord4163> and it's too heavy
[11:50] <ripzay> ?
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[11:50] <ripzay> use openelec
[11:50] <lord4163> it says it can't be installed
[11:50] <lord4163> no thanks :P
[11:50] <ripzay> unless you want your pi to do other things aswell :P
[11:51] <ripzay> i have 2 RasPi's running openelec and 1 Acer Revo running openelec.. it's my home a/v solution.. that's why i want the XBMC mesh implementing - would be good to be able to play the same music on all devices if i have a party or whatever
[11:51] <lord4163> Why doesn't raspbian support xmbc btw?
[11:52] <ripzay> dunno.. never tried myself
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> On a Pi, the 'firmware' loads the kernel from the FAT partition. Once the kernel is loaded, it can have its root filesystem on any media or in any format it can understand. You don't need grub, or any other bootloaders for that.
[11:56] <lord4163> Anyone that has a Synology NAS here?
[11:56] <nid0> yeah
[11:57] <lord4163> Why does the DS Audio app suck for Android ? :(
[11:57] <lord4163> I can't find an option to select an media renderer
[11:57] <nid0> dunno, its awesome on my lumia
[11:58] <lord4163> nid0: you can select a media renderer?
[11:58] <nid0> ofc
[11:58] <nid0> ds audio on wp at least can stream to any renderer thats on the network the phone is connected to, or the network the synology is connected to
[11:59] <lord4163> nid0: can't do that on my phone? :(
[11:59] <ripzay> lord4163
[11:59] <ripzay> http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=134943
[11:59] <ripzay> :p
[12:00] <nid0> lord4163: look more carefully, the option is undoubtedly there
[12:00] <ripzay> i use 2player or bubblepnp on android
[12:00] <nid0> being as thats pretty much a primary feature of ds audio I cant imagine its missing on the android version
[12:00] <ripzay> for UPnP stuff
[12:00] <ripzay> 2player is better but not free
[12:00] <nid0> generic dlna controllers arent quite as useful as ds audio though
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[12:04] <lord4163> nid0: I just can select my own phone LG-P700
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[12:05] <nid0> obvious question then if you've found the select renderer page and nothing's there other than the phone, is whether you have any active renderers on your network
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[12:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.designspark.com/eng/blog/limited-edition-raspberry-pi
[12:09] <lord4163> nid0: It shows up at the webinterface
[12:11] <ripzay> you've got to bear in mind that the technology UPnP uses for announcing endpoints its tempremental and shit
[12:12] <nid0> lord4163: I can check it for you if you want, would need your synology address or quickconnect id and a user/pass with access to ds audio though
[12:12] <ripzay> broadcast packets are a pain in the backside
[12:12] <lord4163> nid0: it is not public
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[12:14] <lord4163> Arghhh
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[12:19] <lord4163> You can't even mail them I guess? :(
[12:21] <Ryanteck> ripzay Please no swearing in the IRC channel ;)
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[12:23] <mjr> to clarify, since Ryanteck sounds like he's joking, you may well get the boot for it if an op notices and is in a suitable mood
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[12:24] <Ryanteck> Hi there ;)
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[12:25] <Ryanteck> mjr I wasn't joking, I was warning. Then again I should have done that via msg I think
[12:26] <mjr> you should have done so without a wink
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[12:26] <Ryanteck> Yeh.. Never really had the chance to use my op status much. Most of the swearing happens when I'm asleep by the sounds of it
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[12:34] <ripzay> sorry Ryanteck.. it's swearing is deeply engrained northern English personality, i shall try to hold it back ^_^
[12:34] <Ryanteck> No worries, Its just not really allowed in here.
[12:34] <mpmc> Yes, it's some peoples second language!
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[12:37] <lkeijser> hi, I'm getting an error trying to get my soundcard to work. Everything was fine until this morning, but now I get: http://dpaste.com/1011820/
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> the general idea is that #raspberry pi is a family friendly place. Safe for everyone, young and old.
[12:39] <Ryanteck> hmm, anyone here got facebook and can do me a favor?
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> not me ...
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[12:44] <Ryanteck> aha done it :D
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[12:55] <lord4163> (gmediarender:4292): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:
[12:55] <lord4163> :(
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[12:59] <lord4163> what does that mean?
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[13:07] <tdy_> you should probably give more than a 1-line warning
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[13:53] <MProg> hi
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[13:56] <keen_commander> hi all!
[13:58] <Zespre> hi~
[13:59] <discopig> hi
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[14:01] <ryanteck> Hi!
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[14:11] <Triffid_Hunter> hm, omxplayer.bin seems to just freeze when it finishes a movie instead of exiting
[14:11] <evilC> Hi, I am using raspbian and want to have a shell script start when the LXDE session finishes loading, can anyone help?
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[14:13] <Triffid_Hunter> evilC: make a .desktop entry in ~/.config/autostart/ , should work with all DEs
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[14:13] <evilC> I did that, but no joy :(
[14:14] <evilC> I made a file slideshow.desktop in that folder
[14:14] <evilC> and in it put actually, I put it somewhere else
[14:14] <evilC> there is no folder ~/.config/autostart
[14:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> make one
[14:15] <Triffid_Hunter> mkdir ;)
[14:15] <evilC> ok, thanks, gimme a sec
[14:16] <evilC> just .desktop or something.desktop ?
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[14:17] <evilC> and do I need to chmod +x it?
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[14:21] <evilC> or should I maybe follow the instructions here: (http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28200) - that seems to be talking about a different folder
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[14:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> dunno - worth a go
[14:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> I dont use a desktop
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[14:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> then post as to which works
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[14:25] <evilC> anyone know how to restart LXDE without a full reboot?
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[14:26] <Macer> hm... my pi keeps dying on me :-/
[14:26] <Macer> and i don't know why
[14:26] * Macer checks his logs
[14:26] <Macer> now i have to reboot it tho
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[14:29] <chithead> stability issues are often due to the power supply
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[14:30] <evilC> OK, got it working
[14:30] <Macer> Mar 3 17:20:26 fructus kernel: [327238.621154] warn_alloc_failed: 4380 callbacks suppressed
[14:30] <Macer> chithead: i suppose but it was running fine for days
[14:30] <evilC> I needed to edit /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart
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[14:32] <hellsing> '.
[14:33] <Macer> hm
[14:33] <Macer> where would i be able to see what caused the crash?
[14:34] <Macer> would it be in messages?
[14:34] <Macer> or is there somewhere better to look?
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[14:36] <Macer> wow
[14:36] <Macer> it almost looks like it went into a reboot loop
[14:36] <Macer> :-/
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[14:36] <Macer> until i powered it down and back up
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[14:37] <Macer> Mar 3 23:35:55 fructus kernel: [349768.242532] [<c000e990>] (default_idle+0x24/0x28) from [<c000eb78>] (cpu_idle+0x9c/0xc4)
[14:37] <Macer> Mar 3 23:35:55 fructus kernel: [349768.242571] [<c000eb78>] (cpu_idle+0x9c/0xc4) from [<c04c1718>] (start_kernel+0x280/0x2c8)
[14:37] <Macer> i'm getting awkward msgs like that
[14:38] <Macer> then it seems like it reboots if i am to assume this is the first line of it booting that is logged....
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[14:38] <Macer> Mar 3 23:35:55 fructus kernel: [349768.242587] Mem-info:
[14:39] <Macer> Mar 3 23:42:41 fructus kernel: [350173.850029] swapper: page allocation failure: order:3, mode:0x20
[14:39] <Macer> i think that is what is causing it :-/
[14:39] <Macer> hm
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[14:51] <hyppias> Any data on the speed of a class 10 SSD card compared to a regular 1Tb HD ?
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[14:52] <chithead> ssd card? if you mean sd cards http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards#Performance
[14:54] <hyppias> sd yes
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[14:55] <hyppias> chithead: thnx. informative
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[14:57] <chithead> via usb you can get around 30 mb/s
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[15:13] <FR^2> chithead: *gg* Not if you're using a conventional USB 2.0 disk that is formatted in ntfs ;) - I really should consider re-formatting that disk ;)
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[15:13] <chithead> ntfs (when using ntfs-3g) is dog slow on rpi because of fuse
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[15:15] <chithead> if you use the in-kernel (read-only) driver the speed is ok
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[15:40] <zipkid> hi, anyone here involved with the Fedora Remix ?
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[15:52] <ShadowJK> ntfs in win7 on sd cards is dog slow
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[15:59] <chisholm> I'm using raspbmc, has the username/password on the initial installation changed from pi/raspberry?
[16:01] <Coffe> no
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[16:03] <chisholm> Coffe: it doesn't seem to be working, my only thought as to why is that the install script just hasn't created the user yet.
[16:03] <Coffe> firt time one tries to login in create stuff.. dont know what..
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[16:03] <Coffe> why care if it works .. so i have no clue
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[16:23] <sereal-work> is there any kind of adaptor for usb -> sdcard (not a reader, like a sdcard that would breakout into a usbport so you can plug a usb key in)
[16:23] <sereal-work> I understand the pi can only boot from sd
[16:24] <ParkerR> sereal-work, Naah the Pi can boot from USB
[16:24] <ParkerR> Look at berryboot
[16:25] <ParkerR> It still needs the SD card but can store the OS's on a USb stick
[16:26] <IT_Sean> sereal-work: you want an adapter that will let you plug a USB drive into an SD slot? That's not going to work.
[16:27] <IT_Sean> What ParkerR said is correct, however. You can have an SD card that passes the boot off to a USB drive. You still need the SD card for the initial boot, however.
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[16:30] <sereal-work> Is there something fundementally wrong with the notion of an adaptor that would plug into an sd card slot and break out into a usb port? Even with some circuitry in between?
[16:33] <lastebil> it's more that the sd card slot isn't a usb port in the first place (:
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[16:33] <ParkerR> sereal-work, I've seen some before for phones that would let you use a flash drive and had a short cable leading to the microSD card slot
[16:33] <ParkerR> Looking for it no
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[16:34] * lastebil has his pi booting from sd and then passing over to usb, it's fairly simple if you understand the linux boot process.
[16:34] <Lizards|Work> lastebil, how many people know the boot process that well? =p
[16:34] <lastebil> Lizards|Work: it's not horribly difficult - if it's using initscripts.
[16:35] <lastebil> if not, and using systemd, it's - well, some would say easier (:
[16:35] <Lizards|Work> it's not horribly difficult to initiate a fission reaction either, doesn't mean we're all doing that in our kitchens either
[16:35] <lastebil> so in short: everyone can, it's simply a matter of looking at them and learning.
[16:35] <lastebil> well
[16:35] <Lizards|Work> i'm not disagreeing that it can be done
[16:35] <Lizards|Work> i'm saying not everyone has done the research to make it happen
[16:36] <lastebil> I'm not saying they have either, I'm just suggesting it's not horribly diffuclt.
[16:36] <lastebil> difficult.
[16:36] <Lizards|Work> most definitely not terribly difficult, just an investment of time.
[16:36] <lastebil> and the difference between a fission reactor and the boot scripts is ... quite far.
[16:36] <lastebil> well sure
[16:36] <Lizards|Work> depends on your background
[16:37] <lastebil> but let's remember, the pi was meant for education.
[16:37] <Lizards|Work> if you've already got a physics degree, what's the difference between boot scripts and fission reactors?
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[16:37] <Lizards|Work> =p
[16:37] <lastebil> I have no idea. I don't have a physics degree.
[16:37] <lastebil> Nor do I deal with fission reactors.
[16:37] <ParkerR> sereal-work, http://www.saelig.com/product/MIO001.htm
[16:37] <ParkerR> I knew I had seen it somewhere
[16:38] <Lizards|Work> me either lastebil i was being preposterous
[16:38] <lastebil> I understand, but you're also suggesting this is an insurmountable obstacle for the majority of people
[16:38] <lastebil> it's simply _not_
[16:38] <lastebil> it does require that you spend time and want to learn it.
[16:39] <lastebil> if you don't, that's fine too (:
[16:39] <Lizards|Work> at no point did i say it was insurmountable, just that some people aren't interested in learning initscripts just like they're not interested in learning to fission
[16:39] <sereal-work> doing a boot over sd then mounting the correct junk from usb is the 'right' way to do it, but sometimes there are constraints
[16:39] <lastebil> Ok, so for you, comparing to a fission reactor is not saying it's insurmountable.
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[16:39] <lastebil> for me, it _is._
[16:39] <ripzay> i cant help but think that this conversation has gone on a very tedious tangent
[16:40] <Lizards|Work> if i'm properly motivated i could learn to do anything i would like to do
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[16:40] <Lizards|Work> so initscripts are no different than anything else
[16:40] <ParkerR> sereal-work, Now whether that works with the Pi or not
[16:40] <ParkerR> I don't know
[16:41] <sereal-work> worth trying.
[16:41] <Lizards|Work> i'm 60% tedious tangents
[16:41] <lastebil> I'm probably about that level too. Anyway, I just felt you were dismissing it as "too difficult." I misunderstood you.
[16:42] <Lizards|Work> i apologize for jumping straight from educational toy to nuclear physics
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[16:42] <lastebil> it's ok, it's the internet, people do that (:
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[16:43] <Lizards|Work> i'm also only quasi-rational, so things that seem to make perfect sense to me are typically... a far reach at best.
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[16:46] <lastebil> I've been dealing with javascript map functions today, so ... I'll just say quasi-rational is probably easier (:
[16:47] <bkm> hello, any progress on making Kingston SD10V/8GB cards work with rasp-pi? i just purchased a card, but perhaps i should return it. thanks
[16:47] <Lizards|Work> javascript map functions... sounds as fun as distinguishing javascript object properties from php associative arrays ;)
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[16:51] <sidh> Greetings,
[16:51] <ParkerR> sidh, Hello
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[16:54] <sidh> I've bought 2 R-pi for playing/testing, and I would like to help people who are working on the openelec version for R-pi (with testing ...) do you know where is the forum/channel to go ?
[16:55] <ParkerR> sidh, #openelec
[16:59] <sidh> they don't seem to care about the R-pi version
[17:00] <sidh> I went there yesterday
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[17:02] <tero> hi all
[17:02] <tero> I am playing with gpio but i have a problem
[17:02] <ParkerR> Hello
[17:02] <tero> i want to use a single gpio port as an input.
[17:03] <tero> so if i put 3,3v on a gpio port i wan't to run a command in bash
[17:03] <tero> is that possible?
[17:03] <tero> i am trying to goole it
[17:03] <tero> but no luck
[17:03] <tero> *google it
[17:04] <tero> so any ideas?
[17:04] <Lizards|Work> i want to get into the gpio stuff, but i haven't yet. sorry D=
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[17:06] <gordonDrogon> tero, you need the gpio command from wiringPi
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> once installed, you can simply: gpio mode 0 in ; gpio read 0
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> to read pin 0, etc.
[17:08] <tero> hmm
[17:08] <ripzay> you'll have to poll the gpio pin
[17:08] <tero> and then you can run commands in bash?
[17:08] <ripzay> i dont think you can attach an 'event' to it
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[17:08] <Joshun> hi
[17:09] <Joshun> anyone else find that wifi dongles draw pretty much all the current available
[17:09] <Joshun> even usb drives are unusable
[17:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes - you'll need a good usb hub really
[17:09] <ripzay> but maybe i'm wrong, i haven't really used the GPIO ports as discrete inputs or outputs.. i've used SPI with everything i've done
[17:09] <Joshun> is it worth getting a mains powered one then?
[17:10] <Joshun> *well, transformer of course
[17:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes and use that to power the RPi also
[17:10] <Joshun> oh good will definitely have to get one of those soon
[17:10] <Joshun> I like to have rootfs on a usb stick but it doesn't boot at all if the wifi is plugged in
[17:10] <Lizards|Work> radioshack didn't have them. i laughed, they laughed, they went back to staring at the carpet and letting me roam at my leisure.
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[17:11] <Joshun> lol
[17:11] <Joshun> ripzay - have you done any spi - ing with an arduino?
[17:12] <ripzay> never touched an arduino.. but i'm considering getting one so that i can add ambilight to my TV :P
[17:12] <ripzay> i used it for interfacing with IO expander chips
[17:12] <ripzay> rather than using the GPIO directly
[17:12] <Joshun> they are just brilliant really, the stuff you can do with them is endless
[17:13] <Joshun> oh sounds complicated
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[17:13] <ripzay> not massively complicated really
[17:13] <IT_Sean> Joshun: check Amazon.com for wifi game adapters. You can get a mains powered ethernet >- wifi bridge fairly cheaply. It's what i use on my Po
[17:13] <IT_Sean> *Pi
[17:14] <Joshun> IT-Sean - I have a dlan ethernet over the mains, but only have a pair at the moment
[17:14] <tero> so you guys are saying that my request in not possible? i just want to put a "1" so 3,3V(from the rpi itself) on a specific gpio pin and when I do that, a simple command in linux bash would run as root
[17:14] <IT_Sean> i have a small (pocket sized) ethernet to wifi bridge that works well enough.
[17:14] <Joshun> if you had, say a develo one could you buy a different brand and get it to work with the same hub?
[17:15] <Joshun> that is do they all use the same protocol
[17:15] <IT_Sean> All what?
[17:15] <Joshun> the dlan ethernet adapters
[17:15] <IT_Sean> I have no idea what you have.. mine connects directly to my wifi network.
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[17:16] <IT_Sean> [raspi ethernet port goes into wifi bridge] [wifi bridge connects to my wifi network] BAM! inernet!
[17:16] <Joshun> I would tether my android phone but that again draws current unless fully charged
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[17:19] <chithead> it can draw current only when you connect +5V...
[17:20] <Joshun> what do you mean
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[17:20] <Joshun> the android phone plugged into the rpi via usb
[17:21] <Joshun> which is 5v I think
[17:22] <chithead> usb is +5V, D+, D- and GND
[17:22] <Joshun> you would need some kind of breakout board then
[17:23] <IT_Sean> Aye. take a cable you don't mind loosing, remove some of the outer sheath, and cut Vpos.
[17:23] <IT_Sean> Leave the data pins and gnd pin alone
[17:23] <IT_Sean> the phone MIGHT balk at the lack of Vpos, but, it should work.
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[17:23] <Joshun> does android need the Vpos pin active in order to activate tethering?
[17:24] <chithead> if you are adventurous, route +5V from your power supply instead
[17:24] <Joshun> I don't think I have a stable 5v supply
[17:24] <Joshun> I have a variable transformer but the voltages always seem to be at least 2v higher
[17:25] <chithead> the power supply that powers your pi
[17:25] <Joshun> normally a wall socket
[17:25] <chithead> er you don't plug the pi into a wall socket
[17:26] <Lizards|Work> i run mine off a powered usb hub or the tv
[17:26] <Lizards|Work> heck yeah tv usb that i've never found a use for
[17:26] <Joshun> I mean a usb charging plug
[17:26] <chithead> the usb charging plug gives you +5V too
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[17:28] <Joshun> I would need to buy an adapter then in that case
[17:29] <chithead> depends on your soldering skills
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[17:31] <gordonDrogon> you can attach 'events' to the Pi's GPIO pins, but generally you need to write a program to do it.
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> However the next releas of my 'gpio' program supports it.
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[17:35] <Joshun> are they any 5v -> 3.3v converters for gpio being sold anywhere on a british site?
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[17:37] <gordonDrogon> plenry on e.g. RS or Farnell.
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> what do you want to generate 3.3v for?
[17:37] <Joshun> sorry I mean 3.3v -> 5v
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[17:37] <Joshun> and the other way round
[17:37] <Joshun> for arduino uno
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> do you mean level shifters?
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[17:38] <Joshun> yes
[17:38] <Joshun> thats the one
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/8channel-bidirectional-logic-level-converter-txb0108-p-1136.html
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> for example.
[17:39] <Joshun> ok thanks
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> the easiest way to connect an arudino to a Pi is via USB though.
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> no level shifters needed then.
[17:39] <Joshun> would there be any benefit of gpio?
[17:40] <Joshun> I found that baud rates >115200 end up with garbage data over usb
[17:40] <ReggieUK> or via the serial port, you only need to 'shift' a single level on the RX pin on the pi, so a pair of resistors would do it
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> 115200 is fast enough.
[17:41] <ryanteck> a USB port is quite handy over the other method as its just done, the other you have to solder and convert the logic
[17:41] <Joshun> I meant <115200 sorry
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> I use 115200 without any problems from the Pi to arduino.
[17:41] <Joshun> I haven't tested it with large amounts of data
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> e.g. to program them & control them.
[17:42] <Joshun> vout = (r1) / (r1 + r2) * vin
[17:42] <Joshun> not sure what resistors I would need
[17:42] <ReggieUK> the arduino can be flaky on certain baud rates depending on the clock used
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> if you need faster then there's SPI, but you need level shifters for that.
[17:42] <Joshun> its 8mhz I think
[17:42] <ryanteck> Brb
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> arduinos are normaly 16MHz.
[17:42] <Joshun> its the uno
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> 16MHz.
[17:42] <Joshun> oh it might be 16mhz
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> you could use SPI and get 2Mb/sec, maybe 4, but it's a fiddle and the Pi can only run in Master mode, so the Arduino would need to run is slave mode.
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> and you'll need level shifters.
[17:44] <Joshun> oh
[17:44] <Joshun> I can program in C but that might be complicated
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> although only one way - the MISO line.
[17:44] <Joshun> hopefully high baud rate usb should be fine
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> it certianly makes life simple.
[17:45] <Joshun> powers it too
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[17:46] <Joshun> looks good is that a bargraph display
[17:46] <Joshun> lit up
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> it's just a demo board I made up to do some testing - the arduino talks to the Pi
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> it's actually acting as nothing more than a posh gpio extender.
[17:49] <Joshun> oh
[17:49] <Joshun> nice retro-style tv
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> it's a 30 year old monitor.
[17:50] <Joshun> ancient :)
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> it's all relative.
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[17:53] <Joshun> is it worth getting a class 10 card for the pi?
[17:53] <Joshun> I'm using a usb stick at the moment which is pretty fast
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[17:54] <mjr> sd cards have a lower speed cap than usb on the pi end at least
[17:54] <Joshun> is that because of the controller circuitry
[17:55] <mjr> yes, the controller is limited to 20MB/s
[17:55] <Joshun> I thought usb 2 was like 480 or something
[17:55] <chithead> usb 2.0 is 480 mbit/s raw
[17:56] <mjr> I was talking about the SD controller. And bytes vs bits.
[17:56] <chithead> with most controllers you end up between 30 and 40 MB/s
[17:56] <Joshun> oh yeah of course
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[18:00] <gordonDrogon> it's probably not worth getting a c10 for the Pi, but ymmv...
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[18:23] <Maior> Is anyone selling a mains plug + adaptor integrated RasPi case? (I basically want a Sheevaplug's form factor)
[18:24] <IT_Sean> I haven't seen one.
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[18:26] <pksato> Green RPi, Red RPi and now Blue RPi. http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3422
[18:26] * Maior gets out the hacksaw
[18:31] <hellsing> Maior, you can try to do it (and sell it)
[18:31] <keen_commander> red pi? O_O take my money!
[18:32] <keen_commander> oh god, its not for sale?
[18:33] <pksato> red rpi http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3195
[18:33] <Maior> hellsing: nice in theory; the amount of pain I'd have to go through would probably be prohibitive
[18:33] <Maior> hellsing: since I wouldn't just be selling "a case", I'd be selling "a thing that plugs into the mains", and therein lies suffering
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[18:34] <Maior> (I suspect the path through that suffering is to pay someone else)
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[18:36] <IT_Sean> The certifications you would have to go through would make such a case prohibitively expensive to produce.
[18:36] <hellsing> it's will probably be a pain in the *** to do such a thing alone
[18:37] <Maior> IT_Sean: alas I fear you speak the truth
[18:37] <hellsing> but you can do a custom one, it will be quite ugly ok
[18:37] <IT_Sean> I do speak the truth.
[18:37] * Maior grabs a regular case and hot-glue
[18:38] <hellsing> IT_Sean, not sure, if it s trade in EU, the certification a just declarative i think
[18:38] <IT_Sean> I used to work for a device manufacturer. I know what it costs to certify that a mains-powered device is safe, and just how incredibly anal the certification people are.
[18:38] <hellsing> Maior, thats what i mean!
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[18:47] <labsin> When I run a command with sudo, I don't get asked for a password. Is this normal behavior for Rasbian. How could I change this. I already added a password to su.
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[18:48] <gordonDrogon> yes, it's normal behaviour for Raspbian.
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> if you want to change the behaviour, then sudo visudo
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> and edit accordingly.
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> see: man sudoers
[18:51] <labsin> thanks
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[19:42] <tdy_> the webiopi wiki says "the server and GPIO state will be lost when you'll stop the script (CTRL-C) or close the terminal session"
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[19:42] <tdy_> what about the daemon?
[19:42] <tdy_> anyone familiar with webiopi?
[19:42] <Lizards|Work> you could find the sid of the daemon and kill it
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[19:44] <tdy_> ok
[19:44] <Lizards|Work> maybe even write a script to do it
[19:45] <tdy_> it comes with an init script, so i guess stopping the daemon is enough to reset the state again
[19:45] <tdy_> i just rewrote it as a systemd service
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[19:46] <Kane> o/
[19:46] <Lizards|Work> >.>
[19:47] <Lizards|Work> is it wrong that i ssh to my pi and have scripts for everything that i do?
[19:47] <Maior> Lizards|Work: why should it be?
[19:48] <Lizards|Work> i dunno
[19:48] <Lizards|Work> i feel like all i use it for is a glorified mp3 player
[19:48] <Lizards|Work> <.<
[19:48] <Lizards|Work> i ssh to it, ./launchvnc, and ./volumecontrol
[19:48] <IT_Sean> so...? ...i use mine as a media player.
[19:49] <Lizards|Work> so i can have the gui for controlling playback and the interface for volume control in the ssh session
[19:49] <IT_Sean> Mine is currently sitting idle, running xbmc, waiting for me to collapse on my sofa and watch some TV
[19:49] <Lizards|Work> i just needed something to get away from the usb crosstalk on the built in headphone jack on my pc
[19:49] <Lizards|Work> i'm not an audiophile...
[19:49] <Lizards|Work> i just can't stand the crosstalk
[19:50] <Maior> mine's an alarm clock
[19:50] <Maior> well, one is
[19:50] <Maior> it feels a bit redundant, but hey
[19:50] <Lizards|Work> heh
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[19:51] <Maior> (gf bought me http://www.firebox.com/product/1830/Voco-Alarm-Clock; I disliked the analogue...ness and wanted more control over alarms)
[19:52] <Lizards|Work> that's charming
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[19:52] <Maior> (waking up to birdsong and Stephen Fry as Jeeves ftw)
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[19:58] <ShadowJK> Is stephen fry in Hamlet in Klingon available?
[20:00] <IT_Sean> o_O
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[20:18] <Chetic> anybody know where I can ask JTAG-questions?
[20:18] <sam_nazarko> here
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[20:18] <Chetic> I need to know what this does http://pastebin.com/tbL0JknH
[20:19] <Chetic> it's STAPL
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[20:20] <Dyskette> So, um, I just had an apt-get dist-upgrade fail with "dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: / files list file for package 'libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0:armhf' is missing final newline / E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)" and now apt-get is segfaulting right off the bat, regardless of what I ask it to do... Halp?
[20:21] <Lizards|Work> Dyskette, on what debian based system were you trying to upgrade distributions
[20:21] <sam_nazarko> if you have access to a Linux system
[20:21] <steve_rox> erm hope it still reboots
[20:21] <sam_nazarko> I would insert the SD and run fsck.ext4 on it
[20:21] <sam_nazarko> Sounds like some corruptio
[20:21] <Dyskette> Lizards|Work: on raspbian, on a pi
[20:22] <Lizards|Work> is there a raspbian distribution update?
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[20:28] <Dyskette> Lizards|Work: is that relevant?
[20:29] <Lizards|Work> not sure
[20:30] <Dyskette> Okay yeah, definitely filesystem related
[20:30] <Maior> fsck harder
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[20:31] <Dyskette> Trying to rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin also segfaulted, and now even ls /var/cache/apt/ is segfaulting
[20:31] <Dyskette> Ha, ls flat-out segfaults, wherever it's pointed :/
[20:32] <Lizards|Work> maybe /bin/ is borked
[20:32] <Dyskette> It may well be. Dammit.
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[20:34] <Dyskette> So, if shutdown segfaults, is there any way to bring the system down gracefully?
[20:35] <Maior> Dyskette: raise skinny elephants
[20:35] <Maior> y
[20:35] <Lizards|Work> halt segfaults?
[20:35] <plugwash> I think you are way past the point of doing anything gracefully...........
[20:35] <Dyskette> I thought as much.
[20:35] <sam_nazarko> sysrqmagic
[20:35] <plugwash> did you mess with sources.list without knowing what you were doing or somesuch?
[20:35] <IT_Sean> yank it
[20:35] <Maior> psh, try to take it down gracefully
[20:35] <sam_nazarko> sysrqmagic will allow an emergncy sync and reboot
[20:36] <Maior> what sam_nazarko said
[20:36] <Grievre> Dyskette: For certain values of "gracefully"... if you're just worried about corrupting your filesystem, you could unmount everything but / and then mount / readonly
[20:36] <Maior> Dyskette: ever used magic sysrq keys?
[20:36] <Grievre> then just cut power and things shouldn't break too badly
[20:36] <Dyskette> Ha, umount returns -bash: /bin/umount: cannot execute binary file
[20:36] <Dyskette> So I guess it's just pull the plug and take the hit
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[20:36] <Grievre> o.O
[20:36] <Maior> Dyskette: no, just use magic sysrq
[20:37] <Dyskette> Maior, that doesn't really mean anything to me - explain?
[20:37] <Maior> Dyskette: stuff in memory's fine; you've got kernel, you've got bash
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[20:37] <PReDiToR> Are they enabled on raspbian by default?
[20:37] <Dyskette> Maior, what magic keys are these?
[20:37] <Maior> Dyskette: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key for long-form, shorter - does alt+sysrq+h give you output?
[20:38] <Dyskette> Maior, I don't have a keyboard plugged in
[20:38] <Dyskette> Maior, using it over ssh
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[20:38] <Maior> Dyskette: ok then "echo h > /proc/sysrq-trigger"
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[20:38] <Grievre> um
[20:38] <Maior> PReDiToR: can't remember, but they're only a procfs operation away
[20:38] <Grievre> that isn't graceful at all, Maior
[20:38] <Grievre> that's just as graceful as pulling the plug
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[20:38] <Maior> Grievre: er no
[20:38] <Dyskette> Maior, -bash: /proc/sysrq-trigger: Permission denied
[20:39] <Lizards|Work> sudo
[20:39] <Dyskette> Maior, and sudo segfaults
[20:39] <Maior> Dyskette: as root
[20:39] <Dyskette> :/
[20:39] <Maior> ah
[20:39] <PReDiToR> REISUB
[20:39] <Lizards|Work> su
[20:39] <Dyskette> Also su fails
[20:39] <Lizards|Work> it's not right to laugh
[20:39] <Maior> Dyskette: local keyboard then
[20:39] <Lizards|Work> but i'm XD
[20:39] <Maior> Dyskette: or pull power
[20:39] <Grievre> Dyskette: Do you really have anything that important on this machine that you care about whether the filesystem corrupts?
[20:39] <PReDiToR> It's only a RasPi. Yank the +5v
[20:39] <Dyskette> Basically, no graceful way to anything
[20:40] <Grievre> Dyskette: It sounds like your system needs a reinstall anyway
[20:40] <Grievre> so
[20:40] <plugwash> I'm not sure what you are aiming to achieve by a gracefull shutdown here anyway, it sounds like your system is pretty screwed
[20:40] <Dyskette> Grievre, I don't have anything important, no, but I do have stuff I care about :P
[20:40] <Grievre> dunno why you're worried about a graceful shutdown
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[20:40] <PReDiToR> Pull the plug. If it messes up, here's ??40, go get a new one, SD card and a Starbux to drink while you install. All good.
[20:40] <Maior> Grievre: a) REISUB is pretty graceful b) fsck and some dpkg fluffling will probably resolve it
[20:40] <Grievre> Maior: I thought "h" was "halt", but it's actually "help"
[20:41] <Maior> Grievre: right, that'd do it!
[20:41] <Dyskette> PReDiToR, I'm not worried about the pi, so much as maximising what I can salvage from the filesystem
[20:41] <Maior> Dyskette: no way for local keyboard?
[20:41] <Maior> Dyskette: (note, can probably just wing it with keyboard and no monitor...)
[20:41] <Dyskette> Just plugged one in
[20:41] <Grievre> Maior: Um, wouldn't the help message get echoed to the console anyway?
[20:42] <Grievre> Dyskette: try telinit 0
[20:42] <sam_nazarko> If you really want to minimise dataloss
[20:42] <Grievre> Dyskette: or init 0
[20:42] <Dyskette> Maior, alt+sysrq+h has frozen in
[20:42] <sam_nazarko> you should mount the sd in another box and fsck
[20:42] <Dyskette> *frozen it
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[20:42] <Maior> Grievre: good point
[20:42] <Dyskette> So I should probably pull the plug about now
[20:42] <Dyskette> Thanks everyone
[20:42] <Grievre> Dyskette: serial console is your friend
[20:42] <Lizards|Work> godspeed
[20:42] <Grievre> for future reference
[20:43] <Maior> Dyskette: give it a second for sysrq help?
[20:43] <Maior> actually meh that should be pretty fast
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[20:43] <Dyskette> Maior, yeah, I hit it a few times, nothing. Just froze up everything, including my ssh session
[20:44] <Maior> Dyskette: that's...worrying
[20:44] <Dyskette> My other box has no sd card reader, so I'm going to have to try the fsck on the pi during boot :/
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[20:45] <Lizards|Work> you're between a rock and a really un-fun place
[20:46] <Dyskette> Well, fsck fixed some errors on boot, and system rebooted, SEEMS to be working fine now...
[20:46] <Lizards|Work> maybe RAM just forgot how to RAM
[20:47] * sam_nazarko would use a tmpfs, copy busybox to it, chroot, umount SD and properly fsck
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[20:47] <Maior> Dyskette: I'd `apt-get check` if you haven't already
[20:48] <Dyskette> Maior, no errors
[20:48] <Maior> Dyskette: also perhaps `debsums` (may need to install the debsums package)
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[20:57] <Encrypt> Hi everybody ! :)
[20:57] <Encrypt> I have a problem with my raspberry pi...
[20:58] <Lizards|Work> it doesn't make you sammiches?
[20:58] <Maior> Encrypt: http://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html
[20:58] <Encrypt> I installed USB Redirector to have my printer available to my 3 computers
[20:59] <Encrypt> However, a recent update changes the kernel, thus disabling the drivers needed
[21:00] <Encrypt> I was typing the same commands to make it work again, but when I typed "make oldconfig" I got a bunch of options asked by the pi
[21:00] <Encrypt> And I don't know what to answer :S
[21:01] <Maior> Encrypt: oldconfig should keep old config as defaults
[21:01] <Maior> (iirc)
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[21:01] <Encrypt> I'll do it again and show you what is asked
[21:01] <Maior> (as in, if you spam enter, you should just end up with the same config)
[21:02] <Dyskette> Maior, debsums seemed to crash in a bad way
[21:02] <jose1711> hello, a pack of 8 batteries (mix of 1.2 and 1.5), dc2dc regulator - output 5v - raspi not booting, any idea?
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[21:02] <jose1711> cables plugged into regulator: red (+), black (gnd)
[21:02] <Dyskette> Maior, system pretty unresponsive, getting "INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes"
[21:03] <Dyskette> Maior, and same for Id "2", all over the place
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[21:03] <Maior> Dyskette: er, this sounds suboptimal
[21:03] <Lizards|Work> can you run a memtest on a pi?
[21:04] <Encrypt> Maior, Here it is : http://pastebin.com/5Qie8jYz
[21:04] <Dyskette> Maior, yeah, I figured
[21:04] <Dyskette> Same for Id "3" and "4" now (on tty1)
[21:05] <double-you> is ssh over the internet safe or will my pi get connection attempts from hackers all the time?
[21:05] <Lizards|Work> XD
[21:05] <jose1711> double-you: w/ ssh-keys only login you're pretty safe
[21:05] <jose1711> provided you won't share them w/ anyone :-)
[21:05] <Lizards|Work> i heard if you whistle into a payphone you can log in to your raspberry pi
[21:05] <Encrypt> Maior, Apparently, it's a new feature...
[21:05] <Lizards|Work> via ssh over internet
[21:05] <Maior> double-you: both
[21:05] <jose1711> also.. a non standard (non 22/tcp) port is advised
[21:06] <double-you> jose1711: which keys? I have to enter username and password
[21:06] <jose1711> are you using openssh?
[21:06] <Maior> double-you: (your options were not mutually exclusive)
[21:06] <Maior> double-you: and as jose1711 says, I recommend using SSH keys only for remote login
[21:06] <double-you> I use putty to connect, there's no key
[21:06] <Lizards|Work> i only ever ssh to my pi over LAN
[21:06] <jose1711> you must be looking at serverside (raspi)
[21:06] <Lizards|Work> double-you, it's a type of authentication
[21:06] <jose1711> first configure server, then client
[21:06] <double-you> ok
[21:07] <double-you> and using keys is pretty safe?
[21:07] <jose1711> safer than password
[21:07] <Lizards|Work> http://google.com/#q="ssh-only%20authentication"
[21:07] <Lizards|Work> it's as safe as RSA can be
[21:08] <Lizards|Work> which is allegedly safe
[21:08] <Maior> double-you: approximately, "ssh keys are safer than passwords"
[21:08] <double-you> ok, thank you
[21:08] <Maior> Encrypt: right, it's been a while since I actually built a kernel...
[21:08] <jose1711> ideally you protect your keys w/ a passphrase as well
[21:08] <Maior> Encrypt: I'd just go with defaults unless you know better..
[21:08] <Lizards|Work> my neckbeard isn't fierce enough to build a kernel
[21:08] <jose1711> or you could even configure port-knocking
[21:08] <Encrypt> Maior, Nope :(
[21:09] <Citillara> i got about 30 login attemps on my ubuntu server per day, which is quite low
[21:09] <Encrypt> Maior, Should I just press "Enter" ?
[21:09] <Maior> Encrypt: nod
[21:09] <double-you> afaik port-scanning takes a long time... so I'll put ssh to port 32289 for example
[21:09] <Maior> Encrypt: [N/y/m] means N is default
[21:09] <Encrypt> Ok
[21:09] <Maior> I'm unconvinced by the point/value of non-default ssh ports
[21:10] <Lizards|Work> port-scan
[21:10] <jose1711> Maior: protection against script-kiddies
[21:10] <Lizards|Work> script-kiddies know how to portscan
[21:10] <jose1711> normally then do not bother however
[21:10] <Maior> less log spam, less of a low hanging fruit, but I'm in favour of fail-fast...
[21:10] <Lizards|Work> or their tools/scripts do anyway
[21:10] <double-you> can I also do something like: after 3 false password attempts, disable ssh for 30 minutes?
[21:10] <Maior> double-you: fail2ban iyf
[21:10] <jose1711> yup, or something similar
[21:10] <TAFB> i installed something to block IP's after a few incorrect logins, can't remember what it was called, lol :)
[21:10] <Citillara> what i don't understand is sometimes they don't try the root account but try a nickname like login name
[21:10] <jose1711> also.. allowusers stanza in sshd_config
[21:11] <Maior> (whitelists on fail2ban ayf)
[21:11] <double-you> TAFB: and how big is your banlist now? :-)
[21:11] <jose1711> and chroot
[21:11] <jose1711> ymmv
[21:11] <TAFB> absolutely massive :)
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[21:11] <IT_Sean> lol
[21:12] <jose1711> if your client's ip does not change, then consider fromhost (don't recall the exact name)
[21:12] <jose1711> there are really a lot ways how to harden it
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[21:13] <Maior> for what it's worth, I've never done more than require SSH keys
[21:13] <Lizards|Work> i'll just leave it on the lan and connect to it after i connect to my home vpn server >.>
[21:13] <jose1711> that and update every once in a while
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[21:13] <jose1711> update system i mean
[21:14] <Maior> (granted, I've only done so over small-ish (<200) numbers of hosts)
[21:14] <jose1711> really noone has a clue w/ my problem?
[21:14] <jose1711> a pack of 8 batteries (mix of 1.2 and 1.5), dc2dc regulator - output 5v - raspi not booting, any idea? used colours: red (+) and black (-)
[21:15] <Maior> jose1711: current?
[21:15] <jose1711> did not check that. but aren't aa's supposed to provide as much as needed?
[21:16] <TAFB> jose1711: check your TP1-TP2 voltage WHILE the Pi is booting: http://elinux.org/images/d/d1/RPI_Test_Points.JPG
[21:16] <jose1711> darn.. it's boxed
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[21:17] <jose1711> and was really a pain to get it into that plastic one
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[21:17] <Dyskette> Maior, right, think I have it sorted now. Thanks so much for all the help :)
[21:17] <Lizards|Work> why not lego?
[21:17] <Maior> Dyskette: no worries - gl;hf
[21:17] * jose1711 shrugs
[21:18] <Maior> jose1711: angle grinders are your friend ;P
[21:18] <Maior> (ymmv)
[21:18] <jose1711> heh
[21:18] <Lizards|Work> dremel toooooools
[21:18] <jose1711> i guess i'll first measure that current
[21:18] <jose1711> low hanging fruits first
[21:22] <jose1711> ~150 mA
[21:22] <Lizards|Work> need 700+
[21:22] <jose1711> ok, what does that tell me? that one or more of the batteries are too old/weak?
[21:23] <IT_Sean> ~150mA is nowhere near enough to run a Pi.
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[21:26] <jose1711> Digital cameras with LCDs and flashlights can draw over 1000 mA, quickly depleting alkaline batteries. NiMH cells can deliver these current levels and maintain their full capacity.
[21:26] <jose1711> as i can read i should have them all checked
[21:26] <PReDiToR> Building a kernel isn't a neckbeard thing, it's a complete joy the first time you make one that works.
[21:27] <PReDiToR> But I wouldn't use the RasPi for it =)
[21:27] <jose1711> and probably buy a pack of brand new eneloop batteries
[21:27] <IT_Sean> Spoken like a true neckbeard, PReDiToR
[21:27] <IT_Sean> :p
[21:27] <Lizards|Work> gcc wont' compile because my neckbeard isn't fierce enough
[21:28] <Lizards|Work> throws the old "fatal error 11 - neckbeard not fierce enough" segfault
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[21:32] <ParkerR> Haha
[21:33] <ParkerR> Speaking of gcc
[21:33] * ka6sox is now known as ka6sox-away
[21:33] <ParkerR> Im compiling asciiportal on the Pi
[21:33] <PReDiToR> Lizards|Work: To make it real easy, once you have the sources for the running kernel do 'zcat /proc/config.gz > .config' and then run 'make xconfig' but you may have to install the right GUI tools to get the pretty config box.
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[21:34] <PReDiToR> Taking out support for things you know you don't have and know you won't ever use gives you a way to see what you're up to.
[21:34] <Maior> crosscompiling ftw...
[21:35] <Lizards|Work> ^
[21:35] <PReDiToR> Definitely! But that takes a while to set up.
[21:35] <Lizards|Work> was my plan
[21:35] <PReDiToR> It works, and works well.
[21:35] <Lizards|Work> this machine should handle it better too >.>
[21:35] <Maior> PReDiToR: it takes a while to set up, but compiling on the Pi takes a while, and the former is an investment...
[21:35] <Maior> invest in your infrastructure ;P
[21:36] <PReDiToR> Checking 'lspci' and 'lsmod' before you fiddle with your kernel helps.
[21:37] <PReDiToR> Maior: I wouldn't really compile anything the size of the kernel on my RaPi. I have an "instant gratification" problem lol
[21:37] <Lizards|Work> lol
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[21:37] <Lizards|Work> i've seen rigs like mine churn out AOSP in <25 minutes
[21:38] <ParkerR> :/ https://pastee.org/hd4tp
[21:38] <PReDiToR> Old core i5, 4GB, spinning rust, takes less than 20 minutes from 'make mrproper'
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[21:39] <Lizards|Work> <.<
[21:39] <Lizards|Work> core i7 3770k, 4.5ghz, 16gb ram, 128gb ssd
[21:40] <ParkerR> :/
[21:40] <Encrypt> Lulz :??
[21:40] <ParkerR> Core 2 Duo
[21:40] <Encrypt> Core i7 !
[21:40] <PReDiToR> SPEEEEED
[21:40] <ParkerR> p7450
[21:40] <Encrypt> We built a computer this week-end
[21:40] <Encrypt> With a quad-core AMD Phenom II
[21:40] <Lizards|Work> yeah... >.>
[21:40] <PReDiToR> Oh, a fan heater
[21:41] <Encrypt> :??
[21:41] <Lizards|Work> this workstation is nice
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[21:43] <PReDiToR> I've just ordered my third RasPi. I guess I should finally get a 512MB one.
[21:43] <Lizards|Work> lol
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[21:44] <gordonDrogon> I have a Pi for sale..
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> one of these days I'll get rid of it.
[21:44] <PReDiToR> Well, my first one (first 10k) lives in a bank vault because it will be worth a fortune one day. The one I've been using is same hardware but with a printed CE rather than a sticker. I figure that the newest hardware might be more stable.
[21:45] <PReDiToR> Which one are you selling gordonDrogon?
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> rev 2 512MB.
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> I bought 2 (more) for a workshop I was runningn - but that then got cancelled at the last moment )-:
[21:45] <PReDiToR> Why would you want to sell a RasPi? Stockpile them for the zombie apocalypse.
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> I'll get rid of it eventually.
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> I've got 5 now.
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> although I currently have 4 powered up!
[21:46] <rikkib> I have 6 still
[21:46] <PReDiToR> I'm sure Eben and Liz (et al) are thanking you from their Caribbean beach front house lol
[21:46] <Lizards|Work> i've got 1, and it's in a lego case, and it's faaancy
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> haha!
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> I really did expect to sell 2 at that workshop though.
[21:47] <PReDiToR> Take them down to your local school and donate them
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> what's really annoying me is that the people arranging it never bothered to get back to me on it after they cancelled it )-:
[21:47] <PReDiToR> People are viciously unreliable.
[21:47] <rikkib> 3 running on the desk, one running a cam in a business and one running at a private residence
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[21:47] <gordonDrogon> yea, so the million Pis sold have gone to 200,000 geeks :)
[21:48] <Lizards|Work> roughly
[21:48] <rikkib> and I have sold another one to the same business running the cam
[21:48] <PReDiToR> I have personally bought 4 now.
[21:48] <ParkerR> Seems one other guy has ran into the error I have but aso hit a roadblock
[21:48] <ParkerR> *also
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[21:48] <PReDiToR> How is the Model A performing?
[21:49] <PReDiToR> Anyone have one?
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[21:49] <Lizards|Work> model b 4 lyfe
[21:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Like a model b with 256mb or RAM.
[21:49] <ShiftPlusOne> *of
[21:49] <Maior> I'm tempted to buy some at some point (swapping out my model Bs) but haven't yet
[21:49] <ParkerR> I'd still go for B's
[21:50] <ParkerR> All that RAM XD
[21:50] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, Did you note that I caught a thief last Sunday stealing scrap metal from the business running my RPi camera. I saw her on cam and called the owner who cuaght her at it.
[21:50] <Lizards|Work> _all that ram_
[21:50] <Lizards|Work> are you daft? lol
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd rather get a model b as well. Just remove the lan chip.
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> I might get a model A for a robot project I have in the making...
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[21:50] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, neat :)
[21:50] <ParkerR> Lizards|Work, Well I'd rather have 512 or 256 anyday
[21:50] <ParkerR> *over
[21:50] <Lizards|Work> no doubt, but we're still talking twice what my first pc had
[21:51] <PReDiToR> Twice? LOLOLOL
[21:51] <Lizards|Work> twice or four times, depending
[21:51] <PReDiToR> My first PC had 512K of RAM.
[21:51] <Lizards|Work> i know
[21:51] <Lizards|Work> i'm from a different generation than my peers
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[21:51] <Lizards|Work> i've come to accept this
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[21:51] <Lizards|Work> sorry i was late to the party =p
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[21:52] <PReDiToR> No wonder you're unable to form a decent throat-growth =)
[21:52] <Lizards|Work> D=
[21:52] <Lizards|Work> i'm 25, i can generate facial hair, but i prefer to stay groomed below the chin
[21:53] <Dyskette> Whee, managed to successfully pull all my files off the damaged filesystem with scp :D
[21:53] * cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccy_RegeaneWolf
[21:53] <Dyskette> (Well, all the files I care about)
[21:53] <PReDiToR> That's a relief. WTG.
[21:54] <PReDiToR> OpenSSL and OpenSSH should be up for Nobels.
[21:54] <rikkib> Hmm 25 about 28 years ago for me
[21:54] <Maior> PReDiToR: OpenSSH, sure...
[21:54] <Lizards|Work> ssl's had some issues, neh?
[21:55] <PReDiToR> You can't blame OpenSSL for the fact that MSFT and US.GOV only export 128bit, or for MITM faults, nor for insecure key exchange practices, can you?
[21:55] <PReDiToR> One decent bug doesn't make them useless
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[21:55] <Lizards|Work> never said it should be discredited
[21:55] <Lizards|Work> just that there are some issues that have been had
[21:56] <Lizards|Work> can't blame the us gov't for weaponizing cryptography... oh wait yes you/we can.
[21:56] <Lizards|Work> they can crack up to AES-128 from what i hear
[21:56] <PReDiToR> This could get all ... anti-US quickly. Let's nip it in the bud.
[21:56] <Lizards|Work> so crypto is pretty much useless
[21:57] <PReDiToR> Yeah, those GPUs are really fast.
[21:57] <Maior> the CA model is borked, gl;hf
[21:57] <PReDiToR> I thought that years ago.
[21:57] <Lizards|Work> =D
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[21:57] <PReDiToR> Who says which CAs your browser should trust? And the interwebs won't work if you disable lots of them.
[21:58] <Lizards|Work> as a web developer i say: "who the heck cares. trust but verify."
[21:58] <Maior> ngh
[21:58] <PReDiToR> And the consumer says "verify what? How? OMG, no, just make it work"
[21:58] <Lizards|Work> firewall, antivirus, sandbox, scud missile launcher, etc
[22:00] <Lizards|Work> <.<
[22:00] <Lizards|Work> also, end users are probably my least favorite kind of users
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[22:01] <PReDiToR> I hate anitvirus. They have this really bad habit of marking software acquired through nefarious means as pox-ridden when its only crime is being unlicensed.
[22:01] <Lizards|Work> avast!
[22:01] <Lizards|Work> rarely have that issue
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[22:01] <Lizards|Work> although i've been out of the unlicensed software market for quite a while
[22:02] <PReDiToR> Also, Zerg Rush for rooting Android should be marked as a safe tool by them all. Hateful.
[22:03] <Lizards|Work> <.<
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[22:03] <Lizards|Work> thankfully we've got regaw on jewel
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[22:05] <PReDiToR> I'm considering an upgrade. Everyone I know is loving their SIIIs but I wanna know if I can install this StarterLinux (Ubuntu) kernel on it and then put proper userspace into it before I make my decision.
[22:05] <Lizards|Work> jewel > sgs3
[22:05] <Lizards|Work> imnsho
[22:05] <Lizards|Work> kind of biased though
[22:06] <PReDiToR> Well, thank you random stranger on the internet for your opinion, I'll make my ??500 decision based on that lol
[22:06] <PReDiToR> I am joking, no offence intended
[22:06] <Lizards|Work> =p
[22:06] <Lizards|Work> it's different here stateside. i paid $50 on a 2 year contract for my phone
[22:07] <PReDiToR> You paid $1000 for it, and gave them $50 up front for the lube.
[22:07] <Lizards|Work> roughly
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[22:07] <Lizards|Work> i paid $50 up front, and $10/month for no deductible no questions asked insurance
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[22:07] <Lizards|Work> so $50+$240
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[22:07] <Lizards|Work> $290
[22:08] <PReDiToR> I dislike carriers so much, and I have heard so many awful things about the ones in the states.
[22:08] <Lizards|Work> and monthly i split a plan with the wife, so... i'm at $55/month
[22:08] <Lizards|Work> so $1610 over 2 years with unlimited everything
[22:10] <Lizards|Work> but i'm on sprint with their nascent 4g network... "4g" is but a buzzword. i average more like 1500kaybips
[22:11] <Lizards|Work> i'd prefer 15embips
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[22:12] <Lizards|Work> anywho >.> i feel like i killed the conversation
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[22:13] <Lizards|Work> has anybody tried to set up a pi as a 3d printer controller?
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> Lizards|Work, yes.
[22:13] <Lizards|Work> how'd that turn out?
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> when it's done it'l turn out well :)
[22:13] <rymate1234> Pfffft
[22:14] <rymate1234> Might set my pi up as a print server
[22:17] <Lizards|Work> gordonDrogon, are you working from a template, or working as you go?
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> Lizards|Work, I'm working with some others on a new project - I'm doing the Pi/Arduino side - they're doing the mechanicals.
[22:18] <Lizards|Work> i see
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> so we're sort of making it up, but there is an ultimate final design & plan for it.
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> we're hoping to demo it by the end of March.
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[22:19] <Lizards|Work> do you know the approximate budget(excluding man-hours) of the project?
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/board.jpg
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> I know how much they're paying me :)
[22:19] <Lizards|Work> lol
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> I'm giving them a "good rate" for it though - because if it's successfully they'll want more including a custom designed IO board rather than arduino & stripboard!
[22:21] <Lizards|Work> oh snap
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> stripboards only good for an amp though... Ultimately we need bigger motors and more amps...
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[22:21] <gordonDrogon> but Pc power supplies are remarkably versatile!
[22:21] * plugwash would expect stripboard ot be good for more than that.......
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> nah. run an amp through it continuously and it starts to get warm.
[22:22] <plugwash> and is that a problem?
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> oddly enough the manufacturers won't tell you what it' rated to - or at lesat I couldn't find anything on the veroboard site.
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> it's not an issue here as you just solder wires over the tracks...
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> if it weren't for those pesky holes :)
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[22:24] <gordonDrogon> breadboards don't like too much current through them either....
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[22:25] <Orii> hey im using the debian img. not the raspbian. its supposed to not show i have 512 mb of ram right?
[22:25] <plugwash> can't say i've tried, I do remember one PCB I did for power distribution where I ordered in some 2oz PCB material for our PCB facility to use
[22:25] <Orii> is that because it doesnt use hard float?
[22:25] <plugwash> rather than the normal 1oz stuff
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[22:26] <plugwash> Orii, ammount of memory is a firmware (and possiblly kernel) thing, it should work with soft float debian if the firmware and kernel are new enough
[22:26] <plugwash> which image specifically are you using?
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[22:28] <Orii> 2012-08-08-wheezy-armel.zip
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[22:30] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, yea, I'm actually going to have to do some real calculations for this one if I get to PCB stage.
[22:30] <Orii> i just installed it
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[22:30] <Orii> running apt-get upgade now
[22:31] <Orii> thoughts plugwash?
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, butthen again - when you see the size of the leads coming out of those diddy little driver chips and read the specs. to see that they're capable of ove 2 amps per coil, then you do wonder!
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[22:32] <gordonDrogon> Orii, you'd need to check the firmware its coming with and how it handes the memor split - see if /boot/config.txt has any comments in that distro.
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> Orii, or just dump it and install raspbian...
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> but you may have a reason for sticking to debian, I don't know...
[22:33] <Orii> as of now i do
[22:33] <Orii> normally id use adafruit's thing
[22:33] <Orii> thank you
[22:33] <Orii> brb
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[22:33] <plugwash> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and reboot would be the first thing i'd try
[22:34] <plugwash> failling that i'd try hexxeh's rpi-update which I beleive fetches a slightly newer kernel/firmware than is in the foundation's apt repository
[22:34] <Maior> dist-upgrade
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> are there still packages that work under debian but not raspbian? thought those days were long gone...
[22:35] <sam_nazarko> java.
[22:35] <sam_nazarko> Although i think there's a hard-fp version now
[22:35] <plugwash> There is a certain environment whose name begins with a m, ends with an o and is a clone of something created by MS that we still don't have a working version of in raspbian :(
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[22:35] <Lizards|Work> dotnet
[22:35] <Lizards|Work> rhymes with botnet
[22:35] <sam_nazarko> Mono?
[22:36] <sam_nazarko> that would be quite slow on Pi anyway
[22:37] <|Jeroen|> i think it doable tried it on a other arm once
[22:37] <plugwash> sam_nazarko, indeed mono is the answer to my riddle and one of the few things we don't yet have a usable version of in raspbian
[22:37] <sam_nazarko> heh
[22:37] <Lizards|Work> dotnet botnet
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[22:39] <plugwash> As for java zero always worked (slowly), both jamvm and cacao weren't usable initially but are now (thanks to their upstreams for fixing them and xerces for poking me to get the fixed versions into raspbian)
[22:39] <sam_nazarko> are you a raspbian package maintainer?
[22:40] <sam_nazarko> I am very unfamiliar with raspbian's maintainers
[22:40] <plugwash> On the propietary side oracle also have a propietary jvm for armv6 hardfloat but last I checked only an "early access" release (read: more draconian license terms than normal)
[22:41] <plugwash> and yes I am one of the two main guys behind raspbian
[22:41] <sam_nazarko> Excellent.
[22:41] <PReDiToR> Java. Just say no.
[22:41] <sam_nazarko> Impressed with Raspbian. When we switched from squeeze to raspbian for raspbmc
[22:41] <Lizards|Work> how to not java. step1
[22:41] <Lizards|Work> don't java
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> is there a GPS device that will give you data at 6MBytes/sec ?
[22:41] <sam_nazarko> I just had to adjust the debootstrap live
[22:41] <sam_nazarko> line*
[22:41] <sam_nazarko> didn't take much at all
[22:42] <PReDiToR> In that case, thank you for all your hard work plugwash =)
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> just had a query about someone wanting to capture GPS data at 6MB/sec. It seems like a huge amount of data to come from the GPS systems...
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[22:43] <plugwash> Though sometimes raspbian does give me a feeling of "what the hell have I let myself in for"............
[22:44] <sam_nazarko> Heh. I imagine so. Forking a 'testing' repo
[22:44] <sam_nazarko> Did you pick wheezy because packages were too old in squeeze?
[22:44] <Maior> sam_nazarko: tbf it's *Debian* testing
[22:44] <sam_nazarko> true.
[22:44] <sam_nazarko> which is what ubuntu is based off..
[22:44] <Maior> sam_nazarko: so, probably more stable than Ubuntu LTS...
[22:44] <sam_nazarko> yes
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[22:45] <plugwash> Wheezy is the first release of debian to have an armhf port
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[22:46] <sam_nazarko> true - although for armhfv7 i believe?
[22:46] <plugwash> right which is why raspbian exists
[22:46] <sam_nazarko> yep
[22:47] <sam_nazarko> I remember in Septemberish when your X-compiler was clearly different to the one distributed on github under raspberrypi/firmware
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[22:47] <sam_nazarko> the dynamic linker had a completely different path
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[22:48] <plugwash> I experimented with building cross-compilers based on raspbian but ultimately decided that cross-compilation in debian wasn't mature enough to be worthwhile at this point
[22:48] <sam_nazarko> fair enough
[22:48] <sam_nazarko> I'm using a x-compiler for XBMC and other bits and it seems to be working well
[22:48] <plugwash> raspbian itself has always been built natively (though on hardware somewhat beefier than a Pi)
[22:49] <sam_nazarko> is libcofi integrated now?
[22:49] <sam_nazarko> there was a bug at one point where LD_PRELOAD was not working at all
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[22:50] <plugwash> iirc libcofi has always been a raspberry pi foundation thing, it's never been in raspbian itself
[22:50] <sam_nazarko> i know. i wondered if you guys ever implemented the copies and fills stuff yourself
[22:50] <plugwash> dunno if anyone has tried to push similar stuff upstream or not
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[22:50] <sam_nazarko> i'm just using LD_PRELOAD for now but was not sure if it was redundant yet
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[23:06] <plugwash> sam_nazarko, BTW do you know if the foundation moved their compilers to the new dynamic linker path?
[23:08] <sam_nazarko> no
[23:08] <sam_nazarko> i think we bugged dom about a few things though
[23:08] <sam_nazarko> becaue there were builds for the wrong kernel version etc
[23:08] <sam_nazarko> I just specify it in my makefile's manually
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[23:11] <Encrypt> Do you know any "WebSFTP" client I could install with Nginx ?
[23:12] <Encrypt> Something lighter than Owncloud on the Pi, just for basic functions (upload & download) with a web interface ?
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[23:43] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, I get people trying to cross compile their projects with wiringPi from time to time... I've no idea what they do with them (otehr than fail)
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[23:56] <ivotkl> Hello everyone
[23:56] <ivotkl> .
[23:57] <chod> nod
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[23:58] <ivotkl> I have a Kingston microSD card + Kingston adapter. To which file system should I format it to before putting the OS image inside?
[23:58] <Maior> ivotkl: you don't; write the image to the bare device
[23:58] <ivotkl> I'm using unetbootin
[23:58] <ivotkl> I'm using unetbootin.
[23:59] <ivotkl> Maior: I have also tried these instructions: http://elinux.org/Rpi_easy_sd_card_setup#Copying_an_image_to_the_SD_card_in_Linux_.28command_line.29
[23:59] <Maior> ivotkl: and what failed with those?

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