#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-03-05

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[0:00] <ivotkl> Maior: I don't know yet, but I believe my micro SD card is not compatible. I was just trying to check if it worked as I've just retrieved from the mail my Pi. I was planning to buy a Kingston SDHC 8 GB anyways, but shop was already closed, so my anxiety forced me to format my phone's SD.
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[0:01] <Maior> ivotkl: what do you mean you don't know yet? you followed those instructions and...?
[0:02] <ivotkl> Pi does not seem to boot. HDMI port on TV works fine, HDMI cable is good as well, but Pi won't boot. Just says no signal. Red and Green lights are on on the Pi...
[0:03] <ivotkl> Will it boot with no peripherals connected?
[0:03] <linuxstb> ivotkl: What was the "dd" command you typed to copy the image to the SD card?
[0:03] <Maior> ivotkl: hdmi hotplug is usually disabled, but it'll boot
[0:03] <Maior> ivotkl: (you were booting with HDMI connected?)
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[0:04] <ivotkl> So how should I boot it? I've connected Pi first to HDMI, then attached the other end of HDMI wire with TV plugged in on Stand by mode. After that I've plugged power to the Pi.
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[0:04] <Maior> ivotkl: I'd turn the tv on (actually tbh I'd enable HDMI hotplug)
[0:04] <ivotkl> Red light turns on brightly. Green light seems a little paler but still turns on (maybe a smaller LED light).
[0:05] <Maior> iirc green light good
[0:05] <ivotkl> Maior: what does TBH mean?
[0:05] <karadorde> to be honest
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[0:05] <ivotkl> Oh... OK.
[0:05] <ivotkl> How do I enable HDMI hotplug?
[0:05] <ivotkl> Is there any risk with connecting and disconnecting things to HDMI ports while they are on?
[0:06] <karadorde> i wouldn't think so. should just be like any other hdmi out on a video card
[0:06] <Maior> ivotkl: mount the SD card, edit the appropriate line in /config.txt
[0:06] <pksato> ivotkl: disconect ethertnet cable (to off leds), insert sd card, power up and stay looking act led.
[0:06] <Maior> ivotkl: HDMI is happy with you doing that
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[0:06] <pksato> act led flash if sd is detected. no flash if no sd detected.
[0:07] <ivotkl> I cannot connect Pi to ethernet, I'm just trying it at my parents' home and modem is way too far for me to do that.
[0:07] <ivotkl> Oh, then SD is not detected. Does that happen as soon as power light and act light turn on?
[0:08] <pksato> if, sd detected, and firmware fousm, led come to flash continuos.
[0:08] <ivotkl> firmware fousm?
[0:08] <pksato> fousm -> found
[0:08] <ivotkl> Oh, sorry.
[0:08] <ivotkl> Firmware on Pi to detect SD card connected to it?
[0:08] <pksato> sorry, for my englesh. :)
[0:09] <linuxstb> ivotkl: What was the "dd" command you typed to copy the image to the SD card?
[0:09] <pksato> ivotkl: raspberry pi dont have rom to store complet firmmare.
[0:09] <ivotkl> in a sec, searching it
[0:10] <ivotkl> Command was "sudo dd bs=4M if=/media/506C1EA132F525C2/Setups/OSs/Raspbian/2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/sdb1"
[0:10] <linuxstb> Do it again, but sdb instead of sdb1
[0:10] <pksato> ivotkl: no. is not /dev/sdb1. is /dev/sdb.
[0:10] <linuxstb> 99% of booting problems are people making that mistake ;)
[0:10] <Maior> ivotkl: from the link you quotedd
[0:10] <Maior> ivotkl: "Make sure the device name is the name of the whole SD card as described above, not just a partition of it (for example, sdd, not sdds1 or sddp1, or mmcblk0 not mmcblk0p1)"
[0:10] <Maior> ivotkl: re-read instructions; repeat process ;P
[0:10] <ivotkl> Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... OK =$
[0:11] <ivotkl> Maior: BRB. =P
[0:11] <ivotkl> Thanks all of you. =P
[0:12] <ivotkl> "~$ sudo umount /mnt/CR
[0:12] <ivotkl> umount: /mnt/CR: device is busy.
[0:12] <ivotkl> (In some cases useful info about processes that use
[0:12] <ivotkl> the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1))"
[0:12] <ivotkl> LOL. =P
[0:13] <ivotkl> Will reboot and see what happens.
[0:13] <ivotkl> BRB (Hopefully)
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[0:21] <ivotkl> I'm back. =P
[0:21] <ivotkl> So, card needs to be unmounted and it is actually sdb instead of sdb1 on dd command. Let's see how that turns out. =)
[0:22] <pksato> ah... on some system, need to disable auto mount to dump image to sd card.
[0:22] <ivotkl> Ubuntu 12.04
[0:22] <ivotkl> I've unmounted it.
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[0:24] <ivotkl> is there a verbose option for dd? It kinda drives me nervous for terminal to "do nothing" but flashing the cursor
[0:24] <ivotkl> I mean, I know it's writing image to SD since HD light is blinking.
[0:24] * ka6sox-away is now known as ka6sox
[0:25] <Maior> ivotkl: not exactly, it's a bit oldschool
[0:26] <Maior> ivotkl: but if it's GNU dd, you can send it USR1
[0:26] <ivotkl> Ok, then I'll think I'll wait. =P
[0:26] <ivotkl> Maior: Huh? USR1?
[0:26] <Maior> ivotkl: it's a signal
[0:26] <ivotkl> I'd rather wait. It usually takes around 97 secs
[0:26] <ivotkl> Oh, ok...
[0:26] <Maior> ivotkl: from another terminal, killall -USR1 dd
[0:27] <Maior> (the "-USR1" is quite important there)
[0:27] <ivotkl> Oh, ok. Would you tell me more about it? =P
[0:27] <ivotkl> Sorry, I meant 199 secs.
[0:28] <Maior> ivotkl: killall sends a signal to all processes with a given name
[0:28] <Maior> ivotkl: "man signal" will show you the signals; they're used for a sort of inter-process communication of sorts
[0:29] <Maior> ivotkl: by default killall sends SIGTERM, which is basically what's sent if you CTRL+C a process
[0:30] <Maior> ivotkl: other more common signals are 9 (SIGKILL) which is like "really really really die, there's nothing you can do about this, the OS will kill"
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[0:30] <ivotkl> Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy it is working. I have Raspi-config screen.
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[0:30] <ivotkl> Now, I'll buy a keyboard and a mouse for it (LOL).
[0:30] <ivotkl> Thank you all for pointing out my mistake
[0:31] <chithead> SIGKILL will not always kill, if the parent doesn't reap its children they will stay as zombies
[0:31] <Maior> ivotkl: most of the signals have specific semantics; USR1 and USR2 are (approximately) free-form so the receiver can do what they like; in this case GNU dd uses it to show it info
[0:31] <ivotkl> For killing processes I use killall.
[0:31] <Maior> chithead: yep, I'm glossing over a lot of subtleties here
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[0:52] * KiltedPi is teaching himself Eagle
[0:52] <KiltedPi> Scary.
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[0:56] <KiltedPi> I've taught myself how to find and place and name and assign values to these PCB's
[0:56] <KiltedPi> Is there anything I should know about these guys that print them for you?
[0:56] <KiltedPi> Like, format-wise?
[0:56] <mervaka> don't spec BGAs.
[0:56] <mervaka> lol
[0:57] <KiltedPi> BGA?
[0:57] <mervaka> ball grid array
[0:57] <pksato> KiltedPi: schematic to pcb is automatic.
[0:58] <mervaka> pksato: netlist is, anyway
[0:58] <SpeedEvil> it can be very suboptimal to blindly autoroute
[0:58] <DeliriumTremens> DelPI BBS is off the ground
[0:58] <SpeedEvil> KiltedPi: ##electronics
[0:58] <KiltedPi> Automatic?
[0:58] <KiltedPi> k SpeedEvil
[0:58] * nx5 is now known as nx5_off
[0:58] <SpeedEvil> post the board layout for criti is
[0:58] <pksato> eagle cad?
[0:58] <KiltedPi> Yeah, I'm using Eagle
[0:58] <KiltedPi> Newbury electronics wants me to use their CAD-
[0:59] <KiltedPi> But they take eagle, and eagle is meant to be the best
[0:59] <pksato> some editor need to export netlist, parts and others to pcd editor.
[0:59] <pksato> some suite.
[1:00] <pksato> create a schemacts (or just place some parts), and click on board botton.
[1:00] <KiltedPi> Board button!
[1:00] <KiltedPi> Haven't found that...
[1:01] <KiltedPi> I'm on my third tutorial
[1:01] <KiltedPi> So it will sorta make it neat?
[1:03] <pksato> Read eagle help
[1:04] <pksato> Quick Introduction topic.
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[1:10] <swk> didnt someone recently do a board that added power control?
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[1:36] <ivotkl> quit
[1:36] <pronto> no!
[1:36] <ivotkl> See you lter, hopefully. =P
[1:36] <pronto> :(
[1:36] <pronto> dont leave me
[1:36] <ivotkl> Yes, sorry. I'm at mom's house. =P
[1:36] <ivotkl> It's dinner time here. =P
[1:36] <pronto> ;_;
[1:36] <ivotkl> See you.
[1:36] <ivotkl> I'll log back in in 3 hours hopefully.
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[1:55] <KiltedPi> pksato
[1:55] <KiltedPi> Wheres this mystery board button?
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[1:56] <pksato> fifth icon, left of sheet select.
[1:57] <pksato> or right of cam icon.
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[1:58] <pksato> or, type board command.
[1:58] <KiltedPi> Kk!
[1:58] <KiltedPi> Nite!
[1:58] <KiltedPi> its late, thnx
[1:58] <KiltedPi> Check it out tommorow
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[2:26] <ParkerR> :O http://www.speedtest.net/result/2551111891.png
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[2:29] <orkid> Hi. I have a 512MB RPI, latest Raspbian, and xbmc from mene.za.net (http://archive.mene.za.net/). Often when playing video in XBMC, the video/audio will go off and come back on in a few seconds as if the cable was just plugged in.
[2:29] <orkid> This happens in multiple files. It didn't happen in Openelec. What might be wrong?
[2:29] <orkid> I've change quite a few hdmi settings in config.txt to force the mode and boost the signal, to no avail.
[2:30] <orkid> Does anyone have any ideas on what might be wrong, or how to approach troubleshooting?
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[2:40] <orkid> interestingly, force_turbo=1 appears to have solved the problem. at least testing indicates that so far.
[2:40] <orkid> arm=800, core=300, force_turbo=1
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[2:43] <fr0g911> arm_freq=840 core_freq=350 gpu_freq=253 force_turbo=1
[2:49] <fr0g911> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2551145216.png
[2:50] <fr0g911> almost like yours parker
[2:51] <ParkerR> fr0g911, Nice
[2:51] <ParkerR> I had around 15-7mbps before
[2:51] <ParkerR> *15-17
[2:51] <fr0g911> damn big step up
[2:52] <fr0g911> i get around 40-45
[2:52] <ParkerR> Indeed.
[2:52] <ParkerR> Nice. My reported by ISP is 30
[2:52] <fr0g911> not getting much now cause of using wireless and have 3 roommates downloading
[2:53] <fr0g911> cant wait till google fiber comes
[2:53] <malcom2073> Man I wish my internet was that fast heh
[2:53] <malcom2073> I'm lucky if I get 1.5mbit down on a good day
[2:53] <fr0g911> you know my mother still pays for dialup and its 25/month
[2:54] <fr0g911> i bet she gets 4.5kb a sec
[2:54] <malcom2073> heh
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[3:05] <sam_nazarko> can't wait to upgrade to 160mbit
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[3:05] <sam_nazarko> it's in my area now, just gotta make the call
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[3:07] <fr0g911> how much is it gonna cost ya
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[3:10] <sam_nazarko> ??40/monthish
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[3:11] <fr0g911> google fiber is coming to my area says its 100% faster then our top cable
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[3:11] <fr0g911> bout to watch the speed test for it
[3:12] <orkid> arm_freq=840 core_freq=350 gpu_freq=253 force_turbo=1 without overvoltage?
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[3:13] <fr0g911> si
[3:13] <orkid> cool
[3:13] <orkid> anyway, i'm out of here.
[3:13] <orkid> bye
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[3:15] <fr0g911> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve3anxLR3A
[3:15] <fr0g911> thats some fast ass internet
[3:15] <fr0g911> the upload is the speed of our download
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[3:21] <ParkerR> fr0g911, HOLY
[3:22] <fr0g911> lol yeah its 110usd for that i think
[3:23] <fr0g911> 75 for abit slower but both come with a 1tb network nas i think
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[3:25] <ParkerR> Nice
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[3:28] <TAFB> I'd love some google fiber :( http://www.speedtest.net/result/2502967572.png
[3:28] <ParkerR> fr0g911, http://i.snag.gy/5GKPS.jpg
[3:28] <ParkerR> Beats the pants off my avergae 1.5MB/s before
[3:28] <ParkerR> *average
[3:29] <ParkerR> Solid 3.7-3.8
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[3:31] <fr0g911> nice
[3:31] <fr0g911> that the new windows
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[3:33] <ParkerR> Yeah 8
[3:33] <maximi89> hello guys, the raspy with SD image must to show an image in the TV or monitor even if no imagen in SD card?
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[3:34] <chithead> only the linux kernel will initialize the graphics and display something
[3:35] <maximi89> chithead: so I require the image on the SD memory
[3:35] <fr0g911> yes
[3:35] <chithead> it requires an sd card with fat32 partition, firmware and kernel.img
[3:36] <maximi89> I have an SDHC card
[3:36] <maximi89> I was reading about the different distros for it
[3:36] <maximi89> which one have lot of software and updated one? some recommendation?
[3:37] <fr0g911> what are you planing on using the pi for
[3:37] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions the foundation recommended distro is raspbian. but you can use whatever disto you prefer
[3:37] <maximi89> fr0g911: actually just learning what it can do
[3:38] <fr0g911> then i would start with raspbian
[3:38] <fr0g911> your gonna love your new pi
[3:38] <maximi89> ahahaha
[3:38] <maximi89> of course
[3:38] <maximi89> chithead: you said that I need to put a fat32 partition
[3:39] <maximi89> it's required to read the image of raspbian?
[3:39] <chithead> the ready-made images already come with a fat32 boot partition
[3:41] <maximi89> why fat32 and not the ext4 or the one developed by samsung?
[3:41] <chithead> because the boot loader in the rpi can only read fat32
[3:42] <chithead> it loads the kernel which can then read other filesystems too
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[3:42] <maximi89> thanks chithead
[3:42] <maximi89> :P
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[3:44] <dagino> I ssh'd to the raspi, accidentally selected all of the locales, started installing, it was taking forever so i cancelled it. how do i rerun the initialization script?
[3:45] <ParkerR> dagino, raspi-config
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[3:46] <dagino> ParkerR: oh sorry??? forgot to mention i'm booting raspbmc
[3:46] <dagino> which doesn't have a raspi-config script apparently
[3:47] <dagino> and i just found the raspmbc channel
[3:47] <dagino> i will direct my question there. thanks!
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[3:49] <ScrPiFone> WHOO! Got my screen today! :)
[3:50] <ScrPiFone> plugged the bad usb hub back in, it seems to work for 1 high power device and keyboard, and that's all I need so far.
[3:50] <ScrPiFone> So that's Wifi direct into pi, powered hub into pi w/ Bluetooth and keyboard.
[3:50] <ScrPiFone> w/ 4.3" LCD plugged into rca.
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[3:57] <ScrPiFone> Can all run from a 3S lipo BTW. Haven't tried one at full charge, but have tried one with a fairly low battery (10.5ish V), and the screen worked well. ;)
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[4:03] <r0b-> is it possible to use 5v UART on the raspberry pi?
[4:03] <r0b-> or are they not 5v tolerant
[4:03] <rikkib> not
[4:03] <rikkib> no
[4:03] <rikkib> 3.3v only
[4:03] <r0b-> ok thanks
[4:04] <r0b-> so i cant direct interface an Arduino unless i power the arduino via 3.3v
[4:04] <r0b-> the arduino is 5v
[4:04] <rikkib> That is correct
[4:05] <rikkib> I use pl2303
[4:05] <rikkib> usb-serial
[4:05] <rikkib> You can use those any way with the rpi...
[4:06] <r0b-> well i need to interface to an arduino for communication
[4:06] <rikkib> IE. With usb or gpio serial port
[4:06] <rikkib> Level translators
[4:06] <r0b-> i was going to use GPIO
[4:07] <rikkib> You need level translators at a few bucks
[4:07] <r0b-> ok
[4:07] <rikkib> most hobby shops have them
[4:07] <r0b-> ty
[4:08] <rikkib> Or you can make a transistor one
[4:08] <r0b-> or use USB i guess.
[4:09] <rikkib> does that thing with the funny name have usb?
[4:09] <r0b-> yea
[4:09] <r0b-> it uses USB to communicate with the PC
[4:09] <rikkib> pl2303 module then
[4:10] <r0b-> http://arduino.cc/en/uploads/Main/ArduinoUno_R3_Front_450px.jpg off topic but thats what i am interfacing.
[4:10] <maximi89> chithead: where is the image in the site you give me?
[4:10] <maximi89> sorry found it xd
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[4:10] <rikkib> Pololu USB01B is the one in my hand
[4:13] <rikkib> Arduino are just toys imho
[4:13] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/stm32-rpi.jpg
[4:14] <r0b-> :P
[4:14] <TAFB> slowed loading image ever :)
[4:14] <r0b-> bbl
[4:14] <TAFB> slowest
[4:14] <rikkib> Just as cheap and lots more power stm32v
[4:14] <rikkib> my server?
[4:15] <TAFB> possibly :)
[4:15] <TAFB> look more than 60 seconds for that jpg to load
[4:15] <rikkib> 100k bits
[4:15] <rikkib> bad adsl in rural nz
[4:15] <TAFB> lol, get a real server you can host your pics on ;) globat.com is only $4/mo ;)
[4:16] <rikkib> I get better download speed
[4:16] <TAFB> i get better download speed than upload too :( http://www.speedtest.net/result/2502967572.png
[4:17] <rikkib> my server is all mine... on fixed ip. mail, ftp and web server
[4:17] <TAFB> just sucks your upload is sooo slow ;)
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[4:17] <rikkib> It does the job for the time being... Sooner or later the exchange will get an upgrade
[4:18] <rikkib> It is a big pic
[4:18] <TAFB> ahhh
[4:18] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/stm32-rpi-320.jpg
[4:18] <rikkib> Little pic
[4:18] <TAFB> big pic: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-20-test_raspberrypi_closeup.png
[4:20] <rikkib> Close to a minute to load that
[4:21] <rikkib> hmm 6mb
[4:21] <TAFB> :)
[4:21] <TAFB> how you like the quality?
[4:21] <rikkib> mine is only 2.1mb
[4:22] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/
[4:22] <TAFB> I try and keep all my jpg's under 600k or so
[4:22] <rikkib> the whole dir is open
[4:23] <TAFB> I have directory listing turned on for all my folders too :)
[4:23] <rikkib> I do not overly optimize now days
[4:25] <rikkib> I can't draw for nicks but I know how to use Photo Paint and Autocad so I can draw/make any image as long as I have the model or dimensions
[4:26] <TAFB> I like autocad :) I use it to draw speaker boxes for my friends cars :)
[4:27] <TAFB> corel shut down my photopaint a bit ago, so been using photoshop, just haven't got around to installing corel x6 yet.
[4:27] <rikkib> I still have my 15" 100W speakers. I got a cabinet maker to build them from my designs
[4:27] <rikkib> I had a speaker design book
[4:27] <TAFB> nice :) Have you ever heard of a company called TC Sounds?
[4:28] <maximi89> one time I get the image I put the data into the SD card using VFAT and that is all? start using the keyboard now to configure it?
[4:28] <maximi89> xd
[4:28] <rikkib> No
[4:28] <maximi89> :O
[4:28] <rikkib> :)
[4:28] <TAFB> most efficient best sounding subwoofers ever :) sound great in home theater or the car too :)
[4:28] <TAFB> http://www.parts-express.com/brand/tc-sounds/150
[4:29] <TAFB> I always use the Epic 12's, not sure if they make Epic 15's :)
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[4:29] <rikkib> I am struggling with audio... Blew up the last amp I had... Back to using my guitar amps
[4:30] <TAFB> probably running it too low of ohm load ;)
[4:30] <rikkib> Big mismatch... Fender Stage and a Ross practice amp
[4:30] <rikkib> 160W V 30W
[4:30] <TAFB> lol
[4:30] <rikkib> I need another fender
[4:31] <rikkib> My Korg effects = stereo
[4:31] <rikkib> And have mini phonic mixer
[4:32] <rikkib> PC to phonic. Guitar to phonic. Effects send and return then out to guitar amps
[4:32] <rikkib> Keyboard to phonic
[4:32] <rikkib> Zen mp3 and also mic to phonic
[4:33] <rikkib> loaded and ready to rock
[4:33] <rikkib> Good idea... Think I will play some.
[4:34] <rikkib> Phonic has a great headphone amp for .5w phones
[4:34] <rikkib> Ay you say :)
[4:35] <maximi89> rikkib: was something similar xd ./created_sdcard /dev/sdmemoryX
[4:35] <maximi89> ahahaha
[4:35] <rikkib> ?
[4:36] <rikkib> maximi89, Are you trying to make a sd card?
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[4:38] <maximi89> rikkib: it's done, going to test it now xd
[4:41] <fr0g911> let us know how it goes max
[4:41] <maximi89> fr0g911: perfectly
[4:41] <maximi89> I finally installed OpenElec
[4:41] <maximi89> it is working right now
[4:41] <fr0g911> grats
[4:41] <maximi89> going to test the HDMI video and audio :$
[4:42] <maximi89> it's wonderfully!
[4:42] <maximi89> xd
[4:42] <fr0g911> i know
[4:42] <fr0g911> :)
[4:42] <fr0g911> dont forget to like us on facebook
[4:42] <fr0g911> lol
[4:42] <maximi89> I don't use Facebook
[4:42] <maximi89> I use Diaspora
[4:42] <maximi89> xd
[4:42] <maximi89> www.diasp.org
[4:43] <maximi89> www.joindiaspora.com
[4:43] <maximi89> etc...
[4:43] <fr0g911> never heard of them
[4:43] <maximi89> it's a p2p social network
[4:43] <maximi89> it's FLOSS
[4:43] <fr0g911> ohh
[4:43] <maximi89> you put your own pod and it can contact to others
[4:43] <maximi89> and see data from them
[4:43] <maximi89> images
[4:43] <maximi89> people
[4:43] <maximi89> photos
[4:43] <maximi89> texts
[4:43] <maximi89> friends
[4:44] <maximi89> internal message
[4:44] <maximi89> ok going to test hdmi
[4:44] <fr0g911> ok sounds good
[4:44] <fr0g911> All Your Base Are Belong To Us
[4:45] <ivotkl> I've tested HDMI today, but just for boot screen lol. I was at my parents home and needed to try the Pi. =P
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[5:03] <maximi89> fr0g911: hey!
[5:03] <maximi89> which distro do you run?
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[5:04] <maximi89> actually OpenElect it's constantly using 93% of CPU
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[5:04] <maximi89> does it's normally?
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[5:05] <fr0g911> yeah
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[5:06] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
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[5:06] <fr0g911> me i use everyone
[5:06] <fr0g911> my main media center is raspbmc though
[5:06] <fr0g911> good morning ShiftPlusOne
[5:07] <fr0g911> but goodnight for me in the us of a
[5:07] <fr0g911> lol
[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[5:07] <fr0g911> nah im not going to bed yet
[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> What do you want from me!? >=/
[5:07] <fr0g911> have to tell you how i messed up my pi
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[5:07] <fr0g911> lol
[5:07] <fr0g911> hahaha
[5:08] <ShiftPlusOne> messed up your pi? O_o
[5:08] <fr0g911> turns out its not meant to be a hub for an irc network
[5:09] <ShiftPlusOne> hm?
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[5:11] <fr0g911> yeah putup a server for a friend just as a test with alittle over 14k users
[5:11] <fr0g911> was working pretty good for afew
[5:12] <fr0g911> then the splits started happenning and then my pi just went black screened
[5:12] <fr0g911> my sd card keeps failing tryed doing a full write 0's format
[5:13] <fr0g911> and still nothing
[5:13] <ShiftPlusOne> So your pi is fine, it's just a messed up sd card?
[5:13] <fr0g911> yea pi is back up
[5:13] <fr0g911> it killed the sd card for some reason
[5:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Does the server do a lot of disk writes?
[5:14] <fr0g911> it was a samsung glass 10 32gb
[5:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure why it would
[5:14] <fr0g911> i think it was the anope services
[5:14] <fr0g911> it does alot of writing to disk
[5:15] <ShiftPlusOne> overclocked at all?
[5:15] <maximi89> fr0g911: nice, 14k users? xd
[5:15] <maximi89> ahahaha
[5:15] <maximi89> I probably put it as a NAS xd
[5:15] <fr0g911> im thinking maybe it was writing the user files and the cpu was running 100% and maybe restarted and jacked up the sd
[5:15] <maximi89> but for Internet
[5:16] <fr0g911> its only clocked to 840
[5:16] <maximi89> ;)
[5:16] <maximi89> good night
[5:16] <maximi89> go to take a shower
[5:16] <maximi89> xd
[5:16] <fr0g911> lol by max
[5:16] <Triffid_Hunter> was hoping to use my rpi as a music player, but the sound output is dreadful
[5:17] <fr0g911> mine sounds good?
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[5:18] <Wired203> popular channel =P
[5:19] <ShiftPlusOne> where?
[5:19] <fr0g911> ;p
[5:20] <Wired203> so I love my pi but some days it drives me nuts
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[5:21] <fr0g911> you guys wanna know something funny
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[5:22] <flufmnstr> is there a way to 'remember' a gpio button press? i seem to only be abel to make an either-or condition happen
[5:22] <fr0g911> back in the day i had more users then rizon we were fighting to be on top lol good old days i see ircnet made it up far
[5:22] <Triffid_Hunter> mine pops really loudly when the device is opened/closed, and also has motorboating with some program material
[5:23] <flufmnstr> i have a script that is looping through data, and i need to look for a press every itteration of the loop, then at the end of the look check if the button was pressed and if so run a different function, otherwise run the loop again
[5:23] <Wired203> fluf set a variable when button is pressed
[5:24] <ShiftPlusOne> a software latch sort of deal?
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[5:25] <Triffid_Hunter> flufmnstr: fork your data crunching, let the kernel work out how to allow you to check the button while data is being crunched, it's already really good at it
[5:26] <flufmnstr> Triffid_Hunter that sailed right over my head
[5:27] <Triffid_Hunter> flufmnstr: well I suppose strap yourself in for the next level of programming :) googling fork tutorials in your favourite language will hopefully be educational
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[5:29] <Wired203> just to verify realtek 8192cu drivers have been built into the kernel for a few releases correct?
[5:29] <Triffid_Hunter> flufmnstr: all programs except /bin/init are created when a process calls fork(). this asks the kernel to split it into two processes, then the original process receives the PID of the child as a return value, and the child sees 0 returned
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[5:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Triffid_Hunter, how does this help with the latching though?
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[5:35] <Wired203> multiple processes, process A loops checking for the button push, process B can then check for the variable at the end of it's loop would be my guess with fork
[5:36] <Triffid_Hunter> ShiftPlusOne: then parent can send a signal to the child, maybe hup when it detects the button press
[5:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah
[5:36] <Triffid_Hunter> perhaps he doesn't want to insert gpio checking into the data crunch loop for some reason
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[5:37] <Triffid_Hunter> child can check for the signal periodically because the kernel will store the state for us
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[5:38] <Wired203> my google fu is weak, for the past 3 days I have been trying to get my generic wireless adapter to work on my PI, I have tried the september build as well as the most current rasbian build
[5:39] <Wired203> lsusb does see the adapter and network manager does see it as well, however when attempting to make a connection I receive association to the driver has failed
[5:40] <Wired203> it is a realtek 8192cu adapter that I have verified working on 2 different pc's and power draw was very low
[5:40] <ShiftPlusOne> the full output might be helpful, or was that all it said?
[5:40] <Wired203> that's all the network manager gui says
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[5:41] <ShiftPlusOne> know how to use wpa_supplicant?
[5:41] <Triffid_Hunter> Wired203: anything interesting in dmesg | tail -n50 ?
[5:41] <ivotkl> Have to go guys. See you later. =)
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[5:43] <Wired203> yes I have wpa_supplicant setup and have read all the info on it, I also enabled guest access on my router which is an open connection where after loading a webpage you put in a password to proceed to try a fully open connection, and to verify it wasn't low signal which I get good signal there on my desktop I even put my netbook into adhoc and attempted to connect to that at 2 feet distance
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[5:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, I suck at network problems so... do listen to Triffid. Anything interesting in dmesg?
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[5:48] <Wired203> dmesg shows correct, usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8192cu
[5:48] <ShiftPlusOne> pastebin it up to after the error message the gui gives
[5:49] <ShiftPlusOne> unless you know everything is alright there
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[5:50] <Wired203> I'm good till the connection attempt so the kernel see's the adapter, driver gets loaded, scans give me the networks
[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> In that case I'd try wpa_supplicant with the -dd option
[5:51] <Coburn> Well folks
[5:51] <Coburn> I compiled cgminer (bitcoin mining app) for CPU mining
[5:51] <fr0g911> hows it working
[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> With a supercomputer like the pi, you'll be rich in no time =D
[5:51] <Coburn> On a ODROID, before it hits thermal throttling, it will get up to around 2Mh/s
[5:52] <Coburn> on a R-Pi... Dunno
[5:52] <fr0g911> how many is it doing mh/s
[5:52] <Coburn> haven't compiled it yet for r-pi
[5:53] <fr0g911> i still have my radeon running it in the other room
[5:53] <Triffid_Hunter> http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chiaki.cc%2FPyxis2010%2Findex.htm <-- mandelbrot explorer on fpga, apparently it can do the math at almost 200fps
[5:53] <Triffid_Hunter> if I was gonna mine bitcoins I'd use something like that
[5:53] <fr0g911> wow
[5:54] <fr0g911> well
[5:54] <fr0g911> if i was gonna do it
[5:54] <fr0g911> i would be like kevin mitnick
[5:54] <Wired203> ShiftPlusOne what is the -dd option?
[5:54] <fr0g911> and use a school
[5:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Wired203, gives lots of debug info so you can get a more meaningful error message.... probably.
[5:55] <Triffid_Hunter> Wired203: see what man wpa_supplicant says about it
[5:55] <ShiftPlusOne> ...*maybe
[5:55] <ShiftPlusOne> .....*I don't know
[5:56] <Wired203> increases debugging info
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[5:57] <fr0g911> well im off goodnight everyone night ShiftPlusOne
[5:57] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
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[6:06] <Scriven> So, have an electrical question. Is it possible to, even temporarily, run a device off both a 12V wall-wart and a 3S lipo?
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[6:07] <Scriven> Want to make my project able to move from portable to bench and back, w/o having to reboot. That way when I need to recharge the battery I can just plug into bench supply then unplug battery. ;)
[6:07] <Triffid_Hunter> Scriven: yeah sure, phones do this at lower voltages
[6:08] <Scriven> How closely do the voltages have to match? It being lipo batteries, I'd rather not blow myself up by accident. lol
[6:08] <Triffid_Hunter> Scriven: trick with li-po is they have longest life if you don't exceed 60-70% charge, have to make an engineering decision about that balance
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[6:08] <Wired203> yeah that's a lot more information lol
[6:08] <Scriven> Coburn, You do know that bitcoin mining at only 2MH/s isn't going to make anything useful?
[6:08] <Triffid_Hunter> Scriven: don't connect wall-wart direct to battery, you must have some sort of charge controller in between
[6:09] <Coburn> Of course. I only did it for proof of concept, Scriven
[6:09] <Scriven> yeah, that's what I thought. I don't want to charge the battery this way, have a nice balance charger for it already. If I did want to charge it, I'd do a proper charge circuit that I don't understand yet.
[6:09] <Scriven> Coburn, ok, that's cool. ;)
[6:09] <Coburn> My AMD GPU does 200Mh, 100 times the ODROID
[6:09] <Wired203> scriven there is a cheap 5v regulator circuit for like 1-2 bucks you can get
[6:09] <labsin> scriven: the most important thing is the current. The voltage of a single cell goes from 3.7 to 2.5.
[6:09] <Scriven> Wired203, need 12V sadly.
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[6:10] <Scriven> labsin, actually 4.2 when fully charged, and if you go down to 2.5 you'll destroy your batteries quick, from what I've read.
[6:10] <Triffid_Hunter> Scriven: lipo needs constant current, then constant voltage when the voltage reaches 4.2v per cell
[6:10] <Scriven> 3.7 is median voltage.
[6:10] <TAFB> yeppers :)
[6:10] <Triffid_Hunter> Scriven: when the current drops below 100mA or so, it's done
[6:11] <TAFB> if you're looking for an awesome cc/cv charger, $17 shipped! Google cottonpickers :)
[6:11] <Scriven> Triffid_Hunter, As a hardware hacking newbie, while I understand all of waht you've said, I will not be tackling it now. lol
[6:11] <Triffid_Hunter> Scriven: and yes you definitely want a low voltage cutout. pulling a cell below about 2.9v will permanently reduce its capacity
[6:11] <labsin> When you take them from 4.2 they drop to 3.9 normally. Why not connect the lipo's to the carger?
[6:11] <Wired203> just found one that's min 7.1 to max 35v
[6:11] <Triffid_Hunter> Scriven: thus, the cells also need to be balanced occasionally
[6:11] <Wired203> so run a 3 cell pack and your good to go
[6:11] <Scriven> I balance every time i charge them, with a nice external balance charger for my rc vehicles. ;)
[6:11] <Scriven> also in a lipo-flame bag.
[6:11] <Scriven> just in case...
[6:12] <Wired203> scriven you can get a low voltage detector for 5 bucks that connects to the balance jacks
[6:12] <Scriven> Wired203, have 2 already for when I drive, but thanks. ;)
[6:12] <Wired203> 2 cell packs for your cars?
[6:12] <Scriven> Was just wondering if there was an easy way to 'share' battery/wall-wart power for the seconds it'll take me to unplug.
[6:12] <Scriven> Wired203, 3s actually.
[6:13] <Wired203> google lm309
[6:13] <Scriven> I know some people running on 4s, but my motor would melt.
[6:13] <TAFB> my battery pack to power my Pi: http://tafb.xxx/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-02-22-battery_box_2amp_runtime_test_large.jpg
[6:13] <Wired203> min input is 7,1 and it outputs 5.05 and can give you 3 amps lol
[6:14] <Scriven> TAFB, yeah, saw that one already, very cool. I should post pictures of mine now that it's been updated.
[6:14] <TAFB> niec :) get em up!
[6:14] <Wired203> 7805 would probably do you as well
[6:15] <Scriven> Wired203, As i said, i'm not sure I want to tackle something as potentially explosive as a lipo charger my first time out.
[6:15] <Wired203> not charging =P
[6:15] <Wired203> discharging lol
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[6:16] <Wired203> ohhhhh wait your wanting to dual power
[6:16] <Scriven> For discharging I'm OK, have a voltage regulator already. ;) CCBEC, RC vehicle "BEC" (AKA voltage regulator) made by Castle Creations. ;)
[6:16] <Triffid_Hunter> Scriven: current limiting definitely. add a polyfuse, glue a overvoltage shunt transistor to it perhaps
[6:16] <Scriven> yes, Wired203... temporarily.
[6:17] <Wired203> ok here you go, go to your local store, buy the smallest ups you can which will run your pi for about 2 weeks lol
[6:17] <Scriven> Wired203, lol!
[6:17] <Scriven> Triffid_Hunter, I'll look into it, thanks! It may be beyond me in rev 1.0 tho. ;)
[6:17] <Wired203> but you do need a similar circuit to a ups to do that
[6:18] <Scriven> yeah, those are what I was thinking of too, but much much smaller.
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[6:18] <Scriven> eventually I'd like to integrate a charge circuit too, which would make it all moot if done correctly. Just trying to minimize shutdowns for recharginig.
[6:19] <piney> i have a lead-acid setup like that
[6:19] <Scriven> Ah, another question just came to mind. Does anyone know a good place to find rca male-male adapters (no cable, just small adapter with male pins on both ends)?
[6:19] <Scriven> piney, cool! got pictures? ;)
[6:19] <Wired203> ok wireless rfkill: cannot open RFKILL control device not sure if that's important
[6:19] <Scriven> piney, or was yours the hacked ups I saw the other day? ;)
[6:20] <piney> i'll go take pics so it makes sense
[6:20] <Wired203> wext failed to clear bssid selection on disconnect
[6:20] <piney> 16.5vac wall wart powering a 12v power supply / battery charger. that goes to a ubec to power the pi
[6:21] <Scriven> piney, I think we were talking about this a few days ago actually, didn't you have pics already?
[6:21] <Triffid_Hunter> Scriven: here's a lower tech idea for you, double throw switch with a big capacitor on the ubec's input
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[6:23] <Scriven> Triffid_Hunter, AH... that does sound more like it. In my circuit after the 'input power' parallel switch, a big capacitor, then I could remove and plug and not have to worry.... hadn't thought of that.
[6:23] <piney> Scriven, my pics don't show the power supply
[6:23] <Wired203> ok errors pastebined up http://pastebin.com/GxGCmnyK
[6:25] <Scriven> piney, OIC, ok.
[6:27] <Wired203> do I have to disable my ethernet controller prior to using wireless?
[6:27] <Triffid_Hunter> Wired203: looks like you already have wpa_supplicant running
[6:27] <Triffid_Hunter> Wired203: no, linux supports multiple network adapters quite well ;)
[6:29] <Wired203> yes however not getting a connection, scan works fine however. I have it attempting to connect to the guest network which is basically open
[6:29] <Triffid_Hunter> well you have to kill the other one before running a new one with a debug flag
[6:30] <piney> Scriven, http://pi.flsnj.com/images/ top two pics are new. you saw the rest
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[6:34] <Wired203> kill it by doing a ifconfig wlan0 down?
[6:34] <Scriven> Cool, thanks piney !
[6:34] <Scriven> fire, Wired203, kill it with fire! ;)
[6:34] <Wired203> muwahahaha
[6:35] <Wired203> nuke it from orbit lol
[6:35] <Scriven> oh, I like this auto-connect-to-any-configured-network wpa setup, will have to change mine over to that. ;)
[6:36] <Wired203> =P yeah so would I if my adapter would be nice to me and work
[6:37] <Wired203> this is exactly why they came out with the term plug and pray
[6:37] <Scriven> I got my wifi dongle working via hardcoding into /etc/networking/interfaces, but it's suboptimal for being portable.
[6:37] <Wired203> I tried that as well
[6:37] <Wired203> and several different OS images
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[6:38] <Scriven> So Triffid_Hunter how big a capacitor should I aim for? I realise that'll depend on how long it'll take me to do the swapping (as well as current draw from devices/etc). Is there a range or something?
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[6:39] <Wired203> capacitors can be dangerous to carry around
[6:39] <Wired203> you think lipos can be energetic lol
[6:39] <Triffid_Hunter> Scriven: 1000uF or more should work
[6:40] <Wired203> make sure you encase it
[6:40] <Triffid_Hunter> Wired203: needs to be a pretty good capacitor to deliver the same energy that a lipo can when accidentally shorted
[6:40] <Scriven> Triffid_Hunter, how many seconds would a 1F cap give me, approx?
[6:40] <Triffid_Hunter> little 1000uF is just enough to give a little spark then it's empty
[6:40] <Wired203> many capacitors can explode if you break the casing
[6:41] <Wired203> oil capacitors are the fun ones
[6:41] <Triffid_Hunter> Scriven: I = C.dv/dt so a 1F cap will drop at 1v per second with a load of 1A. your ubec probably needs at least 7v at the input, and a 3S is 9v when empty, so almost definitely more than 2 seconds
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[6:42] <Triffid_Hunter> Scriven: note that switching regulators take less current at higher voltages and more current at lower voltages, so the rate that the capacitor's voltage drops will accelerate as it empties
[6:42] <Scriven> I won't be driving the 3s down to 9v either, probably only as low as 10v, just as an FYI. ;)
[6:42] <TAFB> I had 60 farads of caps in my car. One day my mechanic was cutting one of the power wires with big cutters (0 gauge), he thought he was safe because he disconnected the battery. 400 amps of current welded his wedding ring to the body of the car, burnt him pretty bad too.
[6:43] <Scriven> TAFB, wowowowowowow
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[6:43] <Wired203> tafb that will teach him loll
[6:43] <TAFB> he refused to ever work on my car after that :(
[6:43] <TAFB> for sure ;)
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[6:43] <Scriven> Triffid_Hunter, is a switching regulator I'm using for 5V stepdown. The LCD I'm running straight from battery, as it's OK for 12V, and can run down to 10.5V at least.
[6:44] <Triffid_Hunter> Scriven: I bet it has a switcher inside
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[6:44] <Wired203> ok giving up on wireless again for a night
[6:44] <Scriven> Triffid_Hunter, it may, I don't want to open it up, the mailman just delivered it today!! ;)
[6:44] <Wired203> sigh silly raspberry pi
[6:45] <Scriven> Sorry Wired203, my wifi worked just fine right away. :(
[6:45] <Scriven> Mine was on the 'good' list tho.
[6:46] <Wired203> mine is a good chipset
[6:46] <Wired203> and I know the adapter works as my windows machines love it lol
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[6:49] <TAFB> gettin good speeds :) http://tafb.xxx/newsgroup_speeds.png
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[6:54] <Scriven> Wired203, Have you checked the elinux list of known-good, known-bad hardware?
[6:54] <Wired203> yes and mine isn't on the rpi list at all
[6:54] <Wired203> it was from a bluedot trading, 5 bucks shipped adapter
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[6:56] <Scriven> Wired203, yeah, that can be problematic. I did the same thing you did with a bluetooth adapter until I gave up.
[6:57] <Scriven> Bought the cheapest one on ebay from china on reports it worked, and it does. lol
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[6:57] <Wired203> yeah I may just have to buy a new adapter and then use that one for my HTPC rebuild I'm doing
[6:57] <Scriven> that's what I did, plugged the one that wasn't pi-happy into this laptop, works fine here!
[6:58] <Wired203> also could be I need to try a powered usb hub
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[7:01] <Wired203> did you do a firmware update to get it to work or yours just worked out of the box?
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[7:11] <yeik> got my first pi today. powered it on for a few minutes but have work so cant play
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[7:15] <Wired203> ok lets see if hexxeh is my savior or not
[7:15] <Wired203> trying a firmware update =P
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[8:09] <Macer> hm
[8:09] <Macer> switching governor?
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[8:10] <Macer> oh
[8:10] <Macer> should change it to high performance heh
[8:11] <ParkerR> Macer, performance is about the same as force turbo
[8:11] <ParkerR> Except just for the CPU
[8:11] <ParkerR> Should be used with caution
[8:12] <Macer> wow really?
[8:12] <Macer> so i should expect a corrupt sd?
[8:12] <Macer> heh
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[8:12] <ParkerR> Yeah if you have an arm_freq=900 prformance will make it stay at 900
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[8:12] <ParkerR> Macer, Very possible
[8:13] <Macer> wow. figured it would just lock the freq
[8:13] <ParkerR> Macer, Ondemand is what you want
[8:14] <ParkerR> To check
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[8:14] <Macer> yeah usually i would do that but my pi has been acting a bit flakey
[8:14] <Macer> after running for days it will suddenly go on a reboot loop
[8:14] <Macer> im trying to figure out why
[8:15] <Macer> last i saw was a swap page read or write error
[8:15] <Macer> and what looked like a dump
[8:15] <Macer> in messages while it was constantly rebooting
[8:16] <Macer> had to yank the power cord out and plug it back in
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[8:16] <Macer> plus i am constantly running the cpu rather hard most of the time
[8:18] <Macer> which i suppose brings me to another question: why a swap file vs a swap partition created during install of raspbian?
[8:20] <Triffid_Hunter> Macer: presumably because most people can't be trusted to wield a partitioning app safely.. feel free to shrink the data partition and add one yourself if you like
[8:22] <Macer> heh
[8:23] <lastebil> well there is also the question of whether putting a swap file on an SD card is a good idea in the first place.
[8:23] <ShiftPlusOne> lastebil, with the approporiate swapiness, yes.
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[8:23] <Triffid_Hunter> lastebil: no different to a swap file for the reasons stated in that argument
[8:23] <lastebil> if you have a usb external drive, for instance, putting the swap file there is undoubtably a better idea.
[8:23] <lastebil> Triffid_Hunter: yes, very different, as a swap file can be created very quickly on any medium you have mounted.
[8:24] <Triffid_Hunter> lastebil: seriously? even with how flakey the RPi's usb stack can be?
[8:24] <Triffid_Hunter> I can make my rpi kernel panic just with udevadm info
[8:24] <rikkib> nfs
[8:24] <lastebil> given how flaky sd media is after 10,000 writes or so - yes.
[8:25] <lastebil> also, nfs. (tho the question of putting "memory" across the network comes into play (: )
[8:25] <lastebil> Triffid_Hunter: also, I'd look into that issue - both my pi's are very stable. (I don't run from SD card, I just boot from it.)
[8:25] <rikkib> It works fine
[8:25] <ShiftPlusOne> If the question is about which medium is better, then yeah a usb hdd is the way to go. If it's about whether the swap file should even be there is only sd is available,better a swap file than just locking up if you run out of ram.
[8:26] <lastebil> what ShiftPlusOne said.
[8:26] <lastebil> rikkib: oh yes, it works, but if the network goes down, you may have issues. stable network? no problem.
[8:26] <lastebil> which, again, comes into what Triffid_Hunter was worried about with usb.
[8:26] <Triffid_Hunter> lastebil: mine has weeks of uptime, but udevadm info --attribute-walk --name /dev/ttyUSB0 or similar makes it panic every time. it's some sort of bug in the kernel usb drivers, not an instability glitch
[8:27] <Triffid_Hunter> rikkib: nfs has never worked fine for me.. every time I try to use it, I get random but incessant 'stale NFS handle' errors and have to remount the filesystem all the time.. sshfs is far better in my experience, only chokes if the server actually disappears
[8:27] <rikkib> It works fine in a local environment... That is how i run the cameras I put in.
[8:28] <rikkib> You are doing something wrong at first guess
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[8:29] <Triffid_Hunter> rikkib: I spent a couple of years digging for info about it, never found anything useful
[8:29] <rikkib> I also run watchdog something most are not able to do as it does not work without fixing the current bug in it.
[8:30] <Triffid_Hunter> closest I found was something to do with the server restarting and the client failing renegotiation, except my server was never restarting
[8:30] <rikkib>
[8:30] <lastebil> Triffid_Hunter: usb filesystems, btw, generally don't walk the attributes of the usb device, they use the transport, so you should be fine using it as well. You should try - if only to be sure there isn't something wrong.
[8:31] <rikkib> That camera is running from nfs served by a Debian 6 machine
[8:31] <rikkib> It is dark in NZ
[8:32] <Triffid_Hunter> lastebil: heh that made no sense to me at all, it prints out several levels, chokes as soon as it gets to the broadcom hubs in the pi
[8:32] <lastebil> very nice, rikkib. how many cameras? I see it says '1'
[8:32] <rikkib> Check it regularly if you wish and see who stable it is... When it comes down to it it is as stable as the service providers adsl
[8:32] <lastebil> Triffid_Hunter: ok I am saying that just using the usb for files shouldn't encounter that error or bug.
[8:32] <lastebil> rikkib: north or south nz?
[8:33] <rikkib> If that goes down the cam reboot and waits until it comes back up.
[8:33] <lastebil> most of the folks I know in nz are from auckland (which I think I am misspelling)
[8:33] <Triffid_Hunter> lastebil: no it shouldn't, but if swap disappears you can guarantee a kernel panic, and I don't feel comfortable putting such a sensitive chunk of data on the other side of a known flakey interface
[8:33] <rikkib> North upper half Waikato reagion Hauraki district
[8:33] <lastebil> rikkib: so fairly decent connectivity then.
[8:33] <rikkib> RF72sr
[8:34] <rikkib> The cam is in Auckland city
[8:34] <rikkib> I live in country side
[8:34] <rikkib> connectivity here is very good
[8:35] <lastebil> rikkib: I'm going to just be jealous, as it's going to be winter in Helsinki for a good 4 more months (:
[8:35] <rikkib> City not so good
[8:36] <lastebil> Triffid_Hunter: I'd say it's worth it, seeing as, again, that exception you are seeing will not occur in filesystem use. ALSO: you should not put your attached storage after a hub, even if powered, on the pi.
[8:36] <rikkib> Hot and dry but it will get to rainy season soon... Temp maybe 0 deg C some frosty mornings. Summer 32 deg C +
[8:37] <lastebil> but your concerns are valid, and so long as you have a good supply of sd cards to swap out after so many writes (2 years or so I would guess) you'll be fine.
[8:37] <Triffid_Hunter> lastebil: the pi has a hub onboard to split one port into two, same chip as the ethernet phy, so both ports are already behind a hub
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[8:37] <lastebil> Triffid_Hunter: true. I should have said "external hub."
[8:37] <rikkib> I use 2 gb sd in production rpi
[8:38] <rikkib> write protected
[8:38] <lastebil> and everything else over nfs?
[8:38] <rikkib> with only boot
[8:38] <lastebil> nice.
[8:38] <lastebil> I seriously considered trying to get iscsi working - I'll try that later.
[8:38] <rikkib> Someone has to show how to do it properly
[8:39] <rikkib> The rpi is not capable otherwise
[8:40] <rikkib> It has its uses but people like to push the boundaries
[8:40] <lastebil> yes that's the thing right now - push it as far as it can go, see what breaks, then improve that part (:
[8:40] * lastebil must flee to the realm of fixing javascript code now, talk later
[8:41] <rikkib> I look on them as a handy sbc somewhat akin to a machine control system
[8:42] <rikkib> Fixed applications with set amount running, all in ram
[8:42] <rikkib> The cam runs in 256mb ram no prob
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[8:43] <rikkib> Does not us swap
[8:43] <rikkib> So the only performance issue is while loading from nfs
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[9:17] <j0d3> nas
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[10:19] <gordonDrogon> morning sleepyheads.
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[10:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> \o
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[11:02] <Ryanteck> Hi
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[11:07] <SpeedEvil> hi
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[11:10] <FR^2> http://www.instructables.com/id/Port-a-Raspberry-Pi-Project/ :-)
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[11:18] <A124> Too expensive and useless?
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[11:21] <SpeedEvil> needs an under voltage cutout
[11:21] <SpeedEvil> the battery housing does not mention it.
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[11:22] <SpeedEvil> if it doesn't have one, it will permanently damage the battery when it's discharged past 10.8v or so
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[11:24] <A124> True. Nice catch
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[11:45] <Tachyon`> hrm,seems the design of the pi sd slot itself is breaking cards over time (the casings,notelectrically)
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[11:58] <nid0> under what circumstances, i've been using the same two sd cards for just under a year with my pi's and both their casings are fine
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[12:46] <ivotkl> Hello everyone. Good morning (at least for me, 8.45 a.m. here hehe), afternoon or evening!
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[14:09] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, can't see I've noticed any mechanical issues with the SD cards/slots myself...
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[14:13] <netw1z> i broke a card in the slot
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[14:19] <steve_rox> my reader broke too
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[14:29] <netw1z> mine snapped in two
[14:29] <netw1z> well
[14:29] <netw1z> almost
[14:29] <netw1z> but yeah, the card was done
[14:29] <netw1z> looks like a V
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[14:31] <Dyskette> Yeah, I've had no issues with careful use
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[14:31] <netw1z> indeed. but it was a light touch light a feather, but i do have blue collar hands considering im a janitor
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[14:35] <RoyK> hrmf! my pi dies after a minute or so. bad power, perhaps?
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[14:36] <FR^2> RoyK: Try using it with as few peripherals as possible (just the card? maybe a simple keyboard?) and watch.
[14:37] <FR^2> RoyK: Change the power supply
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[14:37] <FR^2> RoyK: If your issue still persists, there's also the sad possibility that you've got an item that has production faults. happened to me...
[14:38] <RoyK> I'll check the voltage between TP1 and TP2 first
[14:38] <RoyK> just need a new battery first...
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[14:50] <Tachyon`> gordonDrogon: the lack of support for the other side of the card means it's being pushed outwards and eventually will split if not well made (IE: most of them)
[14:50] <Tachyon`> most SD card slots come with a metal plate that supports the backside of the card
[14:50] <Tachyon`> the cheap pi ones do not -.-
[14:51] <chithead> so use microsd card with adapter, that you can easily replace when it breaks
[14:52] <Tachyon`> was thinking of trying that
[14:52] <Tachyon`> wasn't sure if micro sd cards would work
[14:52] <Maior> interesting
[14:52] <Maior> (I do that already, yay for unknowing bonus!)
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[14:56] <netw1z> anyone got a 3d printer rPi case they can recommend
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> seems to be held in by friction. don't see any pushing on the Pi's I have here.
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> microSD's work OK - well the ones I have do. (Kingston)
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[15:02] <Viper-7> Tachyon`: you can get low profile microSD adapters that will sit flush with the edge of the pi\
[15:03] <steve_rox> i dropped my pi with sd still in , the case shattered in 2 and the reader was broken
[15:04] <steve_rox> wish they made cases that consealed the card
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[15:06] <steve_rox> watching various rtmp streams with omxplayer at the moment , some are quite disturbing
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[15:46] <steve_rox> anything interesting going on?
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[15:56] <Scriven> bah, broke my wireless connection modding it for wpa-roam! :(
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[16:24] <angelos> hi, is there any way to start the rpi after shutting it down except replugging power?
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[16:25] <Firehopper> short the 2 pins on the reset connector?
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[16:25] <Firehopper> its marked P6 on my pi
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[16:40] <Scriven> Blah. can't get wpa roaming to work.
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[16:48] <double-you> can someone tell me what I have to do here?: Webserver calls to shell_exec require adding webserver to sudoers for apache2, Using visudo add; www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL to the list of users under #includedir /etc/sudoers.d
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[17:18] <keen_commander> hi all!
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[17:29] <steve_rox> hmm so after all the hoops dabs.com had me jumping thu they said they cant replace my hardware dispite saying they had dispatched it ,now they say it was discontinued , oh joy
[17:30] <steve_rox> and ive been stuck with a old pc for like months now , aghh
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[18:00] <arcanescu> i have a webserver thttpd, I tell it to execute a cgi script which runs an executable. Is there a way to explicitly tell it to run on ttyAMA0 ... because atm i have no idea where it is being executed and the exectuion is not proper
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[18:02] <Weaselweb> arcanescu: why does it matter what your cwd is? or what your controlling terminal is?
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[18:04] <arcanescu> Weaselweb: it shoudlnt?.... the execution seems to get stuck, thats why i thought it might be the terminal
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> arcanescu, what language is your cgi written in?
[18:05] <arcanescu> bash/shells cript
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> you could always fall back to ye-olde menthod of: echo "starting at 1`date`" >> /tmp/logfile1
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> and so on.
[18:06] <Maior> mmm bash cgis
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[18:06] <arcanescu> gordonDrogon: can you elaborate on that, i didnt get that
[18:07] <nid0> as in, echo what the script's doing throughout the script to a logfile
[18:07] <nid0> so you can see what its doing and how far its getting
[18:07] <nid0> which will pinpoint where the problem is
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[18:07] <Maior> printf debugging ftw
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> yes - essentially printing out to a file in this case - as you go.
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> so at the top of your script, put in an echo, then at key points do more echos.
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[18:09] <gordonDrogon> I am assuming that because you know bash you know what echo and >> do though.
[18:10] <arcanescu> yes
[18:10] <arcanescu> ive actually echoed till a certain point
[18:10] <arcanescu> it hangs at ./program& <<< at this part
[18:10] <applegekko> #!/bin/bash +x ?
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[18:15] <arcanescu> yes +x
[18:15] <arcanescu> i can see using the ps aux it is running
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[18:16] <arcanescu> ont he console there is a ? where it should say where the program is acutally executing which console
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[18:17] <discopig> hi
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[18:22] <fr0g911> hi
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[18:23] <m3xican> this may interest few people here: http://www.nudatech.com/blog/giveaway-contest-2-raspberry-pi-cases/
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[18:35] <NEOhidra> i need a way to send an email (have a program on my local server which cannot do ssl so cannot use gmail) but have no idea how to it. Basically i need a non-ssl local server or a some kind of proxy which can forward the email to a gmail account for example. any suggestions how to do it with my raspberry?
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[18:37] <Maior> NEOhidra: mailgun / sendgrid / stunnel / exim / postfix, depending on more detailed needs
[18:37] <larsks> NEOhidra: You could use stunnel as an ssl proxy (it talks ssl to the remote server and unencryted tcp to the local system).
[18:37] <larsks> You could run this on your raspi.
[18:38] <NEOhidra> larsks: the program(s) are on windows host and they generate emal on certain event, not a email client. is stunnel still a solution?
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[18:39] <larsks> Maybe. It depends how they are sending email. If they are talking SMTP to a remote server then they are an "email client" and yes stunnel would work.
[18:39] <larsks> If they're not...let us know what they *are* doing.
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[18:39] <NEOhidra> they are :) thank you! will check every proposal
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[18:40] <larsks> Note that to use gmail your programs will need to support smtp authentication (and will need to use your Google username and password).
[18:41] <larsks> If they do not support smtp authentication, you will need to set up am SMTP proxy server using something like Postfix, which is a slightly more complicated solution.
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[18:42] <netw1z> whats the thinnest light weight way to send email from a rpi under wheezy
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[18:43] <Maior> netw1z: man mail
[18:44] <netw1z> what about woman mail?
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[18:45] <Maior> netw1z: /usr/bin/man ; not particularly in the mood
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[18:48] <netw1z> alias woman='man'
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[18:48] <M1C4HTRON13> hi guys
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[18:49] <M1C4HTRON13> can you use a pi to program an ATtiny84?
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[18:49] <Maior> M1C4HTRON13: I'm not sure what one of those is, but I don't see why not
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[18:51] <M1C4HTRON13> its a microcontroller
[18:51] <M1C4HTRON13> I'm thinking of using one to make a binary clock
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[19:00] <Zirob> Good evening PPL,
[19:00] <IT_Sean> Good afternoon.
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[19:08] <Scriven> So anyone get wireless roaming working with raspbian? I can make it all work manually, but whenever I try the various roaming setups it fails. :\
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[19:09] <NEOhidra> one more question if i set a mx record (i have a domain hosted on a remote machine) to my raspberry and set smtp server on it (Postfix or citadel) it should allow the programs to send emails (without ssl and authentication) or not? My ISP does not have SMTP server so a cannot use the email of the free hosting.
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[19:10] <arcanescu> so i would re iterate is there noway to explicitly execute a program on /dev/ttyAMA0?
[19:11] <pksato> NEOhidra: to host a email server, you need a `special' IP.
[19:11] <Zirob> Just a qiuck question. I just got my Pi, last week, and havent done all that much with it so far. I use Berryboot and I've installed Rasbian and OpenELEC and just started to feel my way around it. I'm no poweruser and have no special Linux powers. So the question I have is: If I change the config.txt file to overclock my system will it affect all OS'es on my system with no further work from my side? Thats the way that I've understood
[19:11] <Zirob> it this far, but as saied not all that "1337" and no Ninja skills :)
[19:11] <RoyK> hm... any idea when the h.264 encode driver will surface?
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[19:12] <NEOhidra> pksato: special - you mean not dynamic?
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[19:13] <IT_Sean> you'll need a fixed IP to host a mail server
[19:14] <Maior> Zirob: no
[19:15] <Scriven> Zirob, it'll only change for the system on which you've changed the file. Each os will have it's own boot 'stuff', unless you've somehow made them all fit on one SD at the same time with the same boot drive. ;)
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[19:24] <pksato> NEOhidra: a fixed ip and on a network with out port 25 filtered.
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[19:25] <arcanescu> I think i might have the same problem as : http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=28537 there is no solution to it. My program access /dev/ttyUSB0 for output could it be that its not allowed access?
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[19:26] <Scriven> Zirob, So if you want each OS you test to be overclocked the same, you need to edit each one's config.txt file. With the raspbian-based versions this can be done with the raspi-config command, IIRC.
[19:27] <SwK> they holes they added to the rev2 for testing with the large pad around them are those safe to use for metalic standoffs w/out non-conductive washers?
[19:27] <Zirob> Scriven: I boot the BerryBoot v2.0 - bootloader / universal operating system installer witch is a simple boot selection screen, allowing me to put multiple Linux distribution on a single SD card or a USB HDD/MEM so I was thinking that sence the config.txt should be read by the GPU the settings there in should be over all the OS'es on my system, that I can acces/boot without restarting the Pi.
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[19:27] <SwK> my DVM doesnt seem to think they are connected to anything
[19:28] <Scriven> Zirob, never used berryboot, and it sounds like it's not a great thing for a newbie, IMNSHO.
[19:28] <Scriven> If it has only one boot partition, with only one config file, it may work the way you think, but I've never used it.
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[19:30] <DaMastah> Can't decide between xbian and openelec. What is your preference guys ?
[19:30] <Zirob> Scriven: True, might not be for a noob like me, but I still like the whole single muli-dist SD card option. especialy sence I only own one SD card atm :)
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[19:31] <Scriven> Zirob, yeah, those benefits are pretty obvious, but they also obscure what's going on in the background, making it harder to fix issues such as yours. ;)
[19:31] <Zirob> DaMastah: Never tried Xbian, but use OpenElec on my HTPC (AMD E-350) and love it.
[19:32] <ParkerR> DaMastah, For the Pi I got with Raspbmc
[19:32] <ParkerR> Has the best performance and hardware support of what I have seen
[19:32] <ParkerR> *I would go with
[19:33] <Zirob> Scriven: I see yoour point, but I think I'll give it a try. I mean if I f**k up, I can just reformat the SD card and start from scratsh
[19:34] <DaMastah> ParkerR: why raspbmc over xbian ?
[19:34] <Maior> s
[19:35] <Scriven> Zirob, that's certainly true! Good luck with your experimentation. ;)
[19:35] <ParkerR> DaMastah, I just found that after Raspbmc 1.0 final, it had the best performance and supported my wifi card
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[19:35] <Scriven> Seems everyone's experimenting w/ something. For me the linux stuff is relatively easy (except for this wifi-roaming stuff), but I've never done the gpio stuff, so I'm learning to flash leds. lol
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[19:36] <Maior> Scriven: heh yes, all my RPi stuff so far consists of "get it into software asap" since that's where I'm most comfortable...
[19:36] <DaMastah> Ok; I'll try it thanks
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[19:36] <Scriven> lol Maior ! It's always a bit scary isn't it. ;)
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[19:37] <Maior> I even lamed out of "proper" interfacing with the GPIOs and just optoisolated them
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[20:08] <Scriven> Did anyone get wifi roaming w/ wpa_supplicant working? I'd like to pick your brain if so, am having a problem w/ that, but manual network/interfaces config does work.
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> Maior, wimp ;-)
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[20:22] <Scriven> lol!
[20:23] <RaycisCharles> gordonDrogon: you sound almost like a dragon.
[20:23] <Maior> gordonDrogon: :P
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> RaycisCharles, not as firey ;-)
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[21:04] <knobo`> By andriod phone says "no USB device connected" when I try usb thetering on my raspberry pi. Do I need to load any module on my rpi?
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[21:08] <Scriven> Bah, this wpa-roaming is almost too picky, or the howtos I'm reading are missing something. Works manually, but not roaming at all.
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[21:23] <Crenn-NAS> Morning all
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[21:39] <Gubischubi> good evening
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[21:42] <IT_Sean> aftern'n
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[21:44] <Ryanteck> Helloooo
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[21:46] <earspliT> i'm having a weird linking error with wiringPi
[21:46] <earspliT> i do -lwiringPi when i include it
[21:46] <earspliT> but it's saying "undefined reference to wiringPiSetup()"
[21:47] <Ryanteck> gordonDrogon's the expert here about wiring pi ;)
[21:47] <Ryanteck> (I think)
[21:47] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[21:48] <Matt> you're including the headers?
[21:49] <earspliT> the line in the makefile looks something like
[21:49] * Matt has zero experience with wiringPi, but compiling C I have plenty :)
[21:49] <earspliT> gcc ..... -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/lib -lwiringPi
[21:49] <earspliT> when i declare wiringPiSetup(1,1)
[21:50] <earspliT> it says "too many arguments to wiringPiSetup"
[21:50] <earspliT> and tells me its defined in the file i included
[21:50] <earspliT> when i declare wiringPiSetup()
[21:50] <earspliT> it says "undefined reference to wiringPi"
[21:50] <earspliT> so, it seems to be including the file
[21:50] <earspliT> but it won't execute properly
[21:51] <earspliT> gordonDrogon: help!
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[21:56] <gordonDrogon> earspliT, hello?
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[21:57] <gordonDrogon> wiringPiSetup() takes no arguments.
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[21:57] <gordonDrogon> So giving it some is a compiel time error. At least it shows you get the header file ok!
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> Are you running Arch by any chance?
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[22:03] <gordonDrogon> earspliT, hello?
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[22:04] <earspliT> i'm running arch
[22:04] <earspliT> yes
[22:05] <earspliT> i tried to print it with arguments to see if it caught an error
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> you need to edit /etc/ld.so.conf and add in /usr/local/lib
[22:05] <earspliT> i did that
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> then run sudo ldconfig
[22:05] <earspliT> did that as well
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
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[22:06] <gordonDrogon> hang on - "undefined reference to wiringPi" - there is no 'wiringPi' function.
[22:06] <earspliT> if i call wiringPiSetup() it says "undefined reference to wiringPiSetup()"
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> it's wiringPiSetup() ...
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> this "just works" under Raspbian. Why do the Arch people make it hard )-:
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> what does ldd a.out give you?
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> (where a.out is your program)
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> ls -l /usr/local/lib
[22:07] <earspliT> if i call wiringPiSetup("NONESENSE ARGUMENT") it says "too many arguments to function 'wiringPiSetup' i nthe file included from /usr/local/include/wiringPi.h
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> should show you the library too.
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> yes, that's correct. it's finding the header correctly.
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> it's the linker that can't find the library.
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> make sure you can see it in ls -l /usr/local/lib
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[22:08] <gordonDrogon> and make sure the output of ldd points to it.
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> does the gpio command work? What do you get with gpio -v ?
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[22:10] <earspliT> gpio -v returns "This Rasberry Pi is a revision 2 board
[22:10] <earspliT> ls -l /usr/local/lib | grep wiring
[22:10] <earspliT> returns libwiringPi.so.1.0
[22:10] <earspliT> and libwiringPi.so.1 -> libwiringPi.so.1.0
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> well the gpio command was obvously linked correctly and it runs.
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> run ldd /usr/local/bin/gpio ?
[22:11] <SwK> does ldconfig |grep wiringPi show you the lib?
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> libwiringPi.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libwiringPi.so.1 (0xb6f18000)
[22:11] <earspliT> it finds libwiringPi.so, libpthread, libm, and libc
[22:12] <earspliT> yeah
[22:12] <earspliT> this is very strange to me
[22:12] <SwK> how did you link it with gcc?
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> it certianly is.
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> I'm presuming you installed wiringPi from the git sources ?
[22:13] <SwK> gcc -o keypad -lwiringPi keypad.c <--- thats an actual gcc command I use for linking to wiringPi
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[22:13] <gordonDrogon> there is a pacman version of it, but it's a few revisions old now.
[22:13] <earspliT> gcc -i ./include -g -c ./src/FILE.c -o ./obj/FILE.o -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/lib -lwiringPi
[22:13] <earspliT> where file is the guy i'm trying to compile
[22:13] <RoyK> any suggestion for a good psu for a pi?
[22:14] <earspliT> yes i built it with git
[22:14] <RoyK> I've tested several, and some work, most don't
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> RoyK, use ones you find that work then...
[22:14] <SwK> RoyK: I use a apple ipad supply or cyberpower 7port usb hub heh
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> earspliT, why the -c ?
[22:15] <earspliT> its an object file
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> earspliT, ok, but you don't need the libs for partial compilation.
[22:15] <RoyK> might be good to have one that comes with the pi
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> earspliT, only for the final link.
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[22:15] <gordonDrogon> earspliT, what's your final link command-line like?
[22:15] <RoyK> my local store sells some psus that give me 4,75V even without anything else connected
[22:16] <RoyK> cables are good
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> RoyK, don't buy them then...
[22:17] <RoyK> gordonDrogon: well, I was asking for a good one, not for advice not to buy bad hardware
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[22:17] <earspliT> gordonDrogon: gcc -I ./include -g ./tests/i2c_test.c ./obj/i2c_functions.o -o ./bin/i2c_test
[22:17] <earspliT> where i2c_functions is the object file created above
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> RoyK, I know - but you said you'd found good ones - stick to them. there are so many variants, it's really hard to know what to suggest - I've been lucky with what I've picked- HTC chargers, USB hubs and I also use my laptops for power too...
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> earspliT, you'll need to add -lwiringPi (and maybe -L/usr/local/lib) to the final link command.
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> earspliT, that's where it's really needed.
[22:19] * plugwash has mostly been using the small ones CPC sell (the ones that are barely bigger than a normal uk plug) but that isn't going to help you much since i'm pretty sure they don't use UK style sockets in norway
[22:19] <earspliT> thank you so so much
[22:19] <earspliT> stupid mistake
[22:19] <earspliT> i'm a noob with makefiles
[22:19] <plugwash> also those small CPC ones seem to suffer from coil whine :(
[22:19] <RoyK> gordonDrogon: interestingly, it was an HTC charger that made the day :)
[22:19] <earspliT> thank you for everything you've done
[22:19] <plugwash> (which can be annoying in a quiet environment)
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> earspliT, copy others - e.g. the one in the gpio command ...
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> RoyK, I also have used jawbones ones - but they don't work too well with overlocking. Solid without OC though.
[22:20] <RoyK> url?
[22:20] <RoyK> btw, wasn't there an official psu?
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> well - they came with a jawbone bluetooth earpiece, not on their own..
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> I imagine anyone selling one for the Pi is going to work OK though.
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[22:21] <gordonDrogon> e.g. I saw this earlier: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/psu-5v-for-raspberry-pi-p-1075.html
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[22:22] <plugwash> IIRC RS sell some PSUs which they claim are authorised Pi accessories
[22:23] <SwK> I know newark/Element14 sell some they pimp just for the RPi
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[22:24] <SwK> actually just got the ones from e14 in
[22:24] <SwK> they show 4.95 across tp1 and tp2 on a rev2 mod b
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[22:29] * Firehopper ponders if theres some way to monitor bitcoin prices/activity via the RPI, not mining. just accessing a website like mtgox to display in console a constantly updated price.
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> SwK, 4.95 is ok.
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> remember the polyfuse is going to drop a tiny bit.
[22:30] <Maior> Firehopper: yep, several APIs iirc
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[22:31] <Firehopper> yeah But I wouldnt have a clue where to begin to make such Maior
[22:31] <Firehopper> $40 a bitcoin if you sell..
[22:32] <RoyK> gordonDrogon: heh - my local store sold some crap that didn't work at all, 4.75V before any usb devices were attached - the cable was good, though, worked with another psu
[22:32] <Firehopper> that means currently I'm at 110.37 in bitcoins :)
[22:33] <RoyK> SwK: was that with some usb stuff or video attached?
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> RoyK, yes, there is a lot of rubbish out there - there's an Aussie chap does reviews, etc. on youtube too - seen one of a real chap one - so bad it was dangerous.
[22:34] <Firehopper> gordonDrogon is refering to the EEvblog Dude.. Dave :)
[22:34] <RoyK> gordonDrogon: trying to find something that works and can be bought in large amounts - working for hioa.no now, trying to use the pi as a recording thing for streaming classes
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[22:35] <Maior> Firehopper: http://bitcoincharts.com/about/markets-api/
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[22:38] <RoyK> if I can make this pi stream video like I want it, well, get another 100 pieces
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[22:40] <plugwash> Right now if you want to do video with a Pi I think you will need to use a camera that can do the encoding camera side
[22:40] <RoyK> that's the start, yes
[22:40] <RoyK> a usb camera
[22:41] <plugwash> hopefully in the not too distant future the foundation will release their own camera module which has a fast channel into the GPU in the Pi
[22:41] <RoyK> feeding video over to the pi, the pi relaying it further
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[22:41] <q231950> hi
[22:41] <earspliT> gordonDrogon: i'm getting an "undefined reference to wiringPiI2CSetup"
[22:42] <earspliT> gordonDrogon: any idea how to check if libi2c-dev is installed properly on arch?
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[22:44] <Firehopper> maior thats a bit slow though.. not supposed to access it more than once every 15 mins
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[22:44] <Firehopper> it moves a lot faster than that sometimes
[22:44] <q231950> anyone here who has installed an owncloud instance and running gitweb on a raspbian?
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[22:49] * Scriven is so tired of banging his head against wpa-roam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[22:50] <jfmherokiller1> should i shoot my self now or lator "using windows github over a samba server running on the pi to manage the kernel and firmware sources"
[22:50] * IT_Sean gives Scriven a helmet
[22:51] <IT_Sean> jfmherokiller1: now.
[22:51] <Scriven> IT_Sean, lol, almost!
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[22:51] * jfmherokiller1 pulls out a revolver to play russian rulet and pulls the trigger
[22:51] <Scriven> time for a break to get child from school. It's so frustrating that it works manually but not w/ roaming, and I'm sure it's something little and silly, but for the life of me I can't figure it out.
[22:51] <mervaka> rulet?
[22:52] <IT_Sean> jfmherokiller1: do that outside... we just repainted in here
[22:52] <jfmherokiller1> sorry XD
[22:52] <IT_Sean> mervaka: he meant roulette
[22:52] <jfmherokiller1> thanks Sean
[22:52] <mervaka> oh
[22:52] <mervaka> :p
[22:52] <mervaka> i read that phonetically
[22:53] <jfmherokiller1> i spell phoneticly and yet I have a
[22:53] <jfmherokiller1> D in spanish
[22:53] <jfmherokiller1> but an A in english
[22:54] <SwK> RoyK: USB audio and wifi
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[22:55] <RoyK> SwK: ?
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> earspliT, oh - you want i2c on Arch? install Raspbian.
[22:56] <SwK> RoyK: that power adapter thats what I had plugged in
[22:56] <jfmherokiller1> back on the subject of my ugly little hack attack it actually works for checking to see if the git is updated or not
[22:56] <RoyK> SwK: as I said, I tried several, but the one from HTC worked with a good cable
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[22:57] <gordonDrogon> earspliT, or plan B - fetch this file: wget http://unicorn.drogon.net/i2c-dev.h
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> earspliT, and move it to /usr/include/linux overwriting the i2c-dev.h file that's already there.
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[22:59] <Yamashi> hello
[23:00] <Yamashi> well I installed the thin client on qemu
[23:00] <Yamashi> but it appears to be missing stuff
[23:00] <Yamashi> for example
[23:00] <Yamashi> apt-get
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[23:00] <Yamashi> results in command not found
[23:00] <earspliT> gordonDrogon: i understand your frustration with Arch, but specifications need this thing to start up in 10 seconds for the project i'm working on
[23:00] <Yamashi> can somebody help ?
[23:00] <earspliT> gordonDrogon: thank you for your help
[23:01] <RoyK> Yamashi: what distro?
[23:01] <Yamashi> RoyK: rpitc
[23:01] * RoyK only uses Raspbian
[23:02] <Yamashi> i tried with raspbian
[23:02] <Yamashi> but it couldnt find xfreerdp
[23:02] <Yamashi> maybe i am just retarded i dont know :(
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[23:03] <RoyK> Yamashi: the raspbian repos don't hold an infinete amount of packages
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[23:04] <Yamashi> yea :(
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> I know they're working on the Arch thing for i2c though.
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> but the solution I've found is to install the i2c-dev.h file from any other Linux distro.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> I'm actually thinking of just shipping it with wiringPi ...
[23:06] <RoyK> Yamashi: you can probably compile it yourself
[23:07] <Yamashi> yea but rpitc is created exactly for what i want
[23:07] <Yamashi> and i cant get it to work
[23:07] <Yamashi> how annoying :(
[23:09] <earspliT> gordonDrogon: I wrote a tiny wrapper for the i2c using ioctl and read / write
[23:09] <earspliT> gordonDrogon: seems to work for now
[23:09] <earspliT> gordonDrogon: thanks for your help keep up the good work
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[23:13] <gordonDrogon> earspliT, yea, it's not that difficult to do i2c.
[23:14] * ka6sox-away is now known as ka6sox-farfarawa
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> earspliT, I've just written some extensions for wiringPi that can use chips like the mcp23017 as gpio extenders too - and use them with digitalWrite(), etc.
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> earspliT, what i2c devices are you using?
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[23:16] <SwK> anyone need some MCP23017s? i ordered a few to many lol
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> Heh... I have several here!
[23:18] <SwK> i needed like 10 and accidently order 20 lol
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> oops.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> I2C isn't that fast for accessing them though.
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[23:18] <SwK> fast enought for keypads tho
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> I've tried to up the i2c clock speed too - the board I have here stops at about 800Kbps.
[23:20] <SwK> gordonDrogon: speaking of which I found some different keypads frommulticomp that look promising
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[23:21] <SwK> also when soldering ICs into through hole boards PAY ATTENTION TO PIN 1 lol
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[23:39] <gordonDrogon> I've made keypads from scratch - not actually bought one :)
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[23:45] <gordonDrogon> Hm. raspberrypi.org down again.
[23:45] <SwK> yeah, this was like $3 USD
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[23:50] <zleap> hi is the raspberry pi website up ?
[23:50] <Firehopper> whats the best irc client for console mode on a rpi?
[23:50] <Maior> Firehopper: irssi
[23:50] <Firehopper> no its not up.. its down for me too
[23:50] <zleap> it seems busy if I try and ping it
[23:51] <zleap> ok
[23:51] <zleap> thanks
[23:51] <Maior> @Raspberry_Pi: We're being DDOS'd at the moment - very sorry if you can't see the website. If it goes on, we'll try to get some more capacity in tomorrow. [http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/309071873822564353]
[23:51] <zleap> hmm, i wonder whatr has happened then
[23:51] <Maior> @Raspberry_Pi: For those interested, this one's quite hardcore: we're seeing a SYN flood from a botnet that seems to have about a million nodes. [http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/309072094887550976]
[23:51] <Firehopper> they are being ddos'd apparently
[23:51] <zleap> great
[23:51] <SpeedEvil> fun
[23:52] <zleap> hmm 1 million node bot net = 1 million pis sold
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[23:52] <double-you> why should anybody attack the raspberry pi site?
[23:52] * SpeedEvil imagines a reverse ddos from all the pis.
[23:52] <Maior> there goes Myffic's evening
[23:52] <Firehopper> I dont see irssi as a avail package for raspbian
[23:52] <Maior> double-you: lurk on some of the kiddie channels on Quakenet and, well, yeah
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[23:52] <KiltedPi> guys in #electronics channel have had enough of me I think-
[23:52] <KiltedPi> :(
[23:53] <zleap> maybe the repository is down too
[23:53] <KiltedPi> I asked about finding an eagle pcb library file, for this switch: R13-509A-05-BR
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[23:53] <double-you> ah
[23:53] <Maior> zleap: apt-cache searches a local index
[23:53] <KiltedPi> they were like "Just draw up one from scratch!"
[23:53] <double-you> that's the problem why I couldnt install php some minutes ago
[23:53] <zleap> ok
[23:53] <Maior> zleap: maintained by apt-get update
[23:53] * KiltedPi is sobbing
[23:53] <KiltedPi> have you got/configured your wi-fi zleap
[23:53] <KiltedPi> ?
[23:53] <Maior> zleap: so a failed install should do something along the lines of "found it, couldn't get it, sucks to be you"
[23:54] <zleap> Maior, thanks
[23:54] * mpmc is now known as mpmc|Away
[23:54] <zleap> KiltedPi, my wifi is working
[23:54] <KiltedPi> 4chan DDOS'ing the pi?
[23:55] <mervaka> KiltedPi: sorry i went for a shower.
[23:55] <zleap> 4chan ?
[23:55] <Maior> KiltedPi: in the same way "Reddit" and "Slashdot" and "Freenode" are, yes
[23:55] <mervaka> bed soon, too
[23:55] <KiltedPi> "/b/tards"
[23:55] <zleap> yeah
[23:55] <Maior> are we really doing this?
[23:55] <KiltedPi> mmm?
[23:55] <zleap> i take it a reverse ddos is people doing it back to them
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> you can't reverse ddos.
[23:56] <Maior> zleap: who on earth is talking about a "reverse ddos"
[23:56] <zleap> SpeedEvil imagines a reverse ddos from all the pis.
[23:56] <KiltedPi> DDOS is just a SYN flood, ICMP (Ping) Packets flooding, but from lots of diff hosts (Zombie/Smurf)
[23:56] <Maior> sigh
[23:56] <Maior> KiltedPi: er, no
[23:57] <Maior> in so many ways no
[23:57] <zleap> hi gongoputch
[23:57] <zleap> hi gordonDrogon
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> ?
[23:57] <KiltedPi> How do you mean Maior?
[23:57] <zleap> i was saying hello
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> hi
[23:57] <Maior> KiltedPi: well, pretty much everything you said wasn't right
[23:57] <Maior> KiltedPi: so, er, "no"
[23:58] <zleap> gordonDrogon, can i e-mail you my ladder board article please ?
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[23:59] <KiltedPi> I dunno Maior, I'm a qualified CISCO network engineer.
[23:59] <KiltedPi> Its either a SYN flood, or ICMP packet flood
[23:59] <KiltedPi> Bringing down a network distributed over multiple hosts
[23:59] <zleap> i guess they can't do much until they stop

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