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IRC Log for 2013-03-10

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[0:03] <iraytrace> plugwash: Thanks!
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[0:20] <Xeph> I read that quite some SD cards do not work with some firmware on rpi. Today, a firmware and kernel update resulted in IO-errors and a inconsistent fs. Is it likely that not the card itself is broken and the update just wrote on broken parts of the card, but instead it is a software issue of rpi-firmware or the linux kernel?
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[0:40] <applegekko> what kernel version?
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[1:05] <Xeph> applegekko: I'm on arch, so I guess it's 3.7.10-1
[1:06] <applegekko> no arch is 3.6-*
[1:06] <applegekko> i just had pretty much the same thing happen to me
[1:06] <applegekko> turned out it was a cheap kingston knock off sd card
[1:06] <Xeph> Woops??? 3.6.11-8
[1:07] <Xeph> applegekko: I had a look in the i686 repository at first
[1:08] <Xeph> applegekko: So you say it's rather because the SD card is crap
[1:08] <applegekko> i'm my personal experience yea
[1:08] <applegekko> i've had my rpi running now for 3 weeks
[1:08] <applegekko> i would have had to reflash the sd card every 3/4 day
[1:09] <applegekko> i also run arch arm
[1:10] <Twist-> Xeph: the stable fix seems to be just booting off a card and using a USB drive for main storage.
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[1:12] <Xeph> Nah, it was running 3 Weeks completely stable, and after rebooting with new FW & kernel I got IO errors, ro mounted fs and??? yeah. fsck did not repair successfully.
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[2:11] <Wired203> wiiguy has the 6 million dollar connection
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[2:32] <godzirra> Howdy guys. Can anyone help me out? I'm trying to access GPIO pins and I can't seem to use gpio pins 11, 13, 15 nad 16 even though it seems like I should be able to. I'm using the script on this page: http://blog.thestateofme.com/2012/08/10/raspberry-pi-gpio-joystick/
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[2:37] <godzirra> Is anyone alive?
[2:37] <Torikun> o
[2:37] <Torikun> no
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[2:39] <godzirra> Am I in the right room to ask about GPIO pins, and if not, is there a better room?
[2:39] <Maior> yes; not that I know of; s/room/channel/
[2:39] <ShiftPlusOne> You're in the right room, just at the wrong time.
[2:39] <godzirra> lol
[2:39] <godzirra> Story of my life.
[2:39] <pksato> is the time
[2:40] <ShiftPlusOne> We take gpio questions when Gordon is not sleeping or baking.
[2:41] <godzirra> Bummer. I've got half the pins working, and the other half don't seem to detect keypresses at all.
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[2:42] <UnaClocker> Hello all
[2:43] <ShiftPlusOne> hello
[2:43] <Martin`> gu
[2:43] <Martin`> hi
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[2:44] <Martin`> my keyboard was at wrong location
[2:44] <Martin`> sorry :)
[2:44] <ShiftPlusOne> js[[rmd
[2:45] <pksato> godzirra: you have 256mB or 512MB version?
[2:45] <godzirra> 512mb
[2:45] <godzirra> And it looks like pin 8 is ground, pin 7, 12 and 13 work fine for buttons.
[2:46] <godzirra> Pins 11, 15, 16 don't seem to
[2:46] <ShiftPlusOne> those pins haven't changed between revisions, so that shouldn't be a problem.
[2:47] <godzirra> I agree. :)
[2:47] <godzirra> However, they are. A problem, that is.
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[2:49] <ShiftPlusOne> the only thing I can see is that the gpio names and pin numbers don't match the way that the link you sent says it does
[2:50] <godzirra> How do you mean? I'm not quite sure I understand.
[2:50] <pksato> alternate function?
[2:50] <godzirra> pksato: I'm sorry?
[2:50] <pksato> Alternative
[2:51] <godzirra> I know what alternate means, I'm just not sure what you're talking about.
[2:51] <ShiftPlusOne> It says 15->gpio23, 16->gpio24. But in reality, it's 15->GPIO22, 16->GPIO23
[2:51] <godzirra> Hrm.
[2:51] <godzirra> How do I find this information?
[2:51] <godzirra> I was looking at this: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[2:51] <godzirra> which doesn't seem to match what you're saying.
[2:51] <ShiftPlusOne> hm, hang on
[2:52] <godzirra> Sure
[2:52] <ShiftPlusOne> I was looking here http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals though it should match gordon's page. Checking
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[2:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, it does match.
[2:53] <atouk> http://www.atouk.com/wordpress/?page_id=238
[2:53] <atouk> download pipins
[2:55] <godzirra> Am I just missing which pins I should be using for analog input?
[2:55] <ShiftPlusOne> What analog input? That joystick is analog?
[2:55] <godzirra> Yes.
[2:55] <godzirra> well.
[2:55] <godzirra> I dnno. Its got switches for keypresses.
[2:55] <godzirra> Is that analog?
[2:56] <ShiftPlusOne> no
[2:56] <godzirra> Its a bunch of on off buttons.
[2:56] <godzirra> So if 7,12, and 13 work... which other pins should I be trying to use to detect the button being pressed?
[2:56] <pksato> godzirra: what linux?
[2:57] <godzirra> Occidentalis
[2:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Are you running that python script exactly as it is, or have you made changes?
[2:57] <pksato> humm, Occidentalis can be load some extra modules to i2c and spi.
[2:58] <godzirra> ShiftPlusOne: I've changed it to these pins in the same order: 12,13,15,16,7
[2:59] <godzirra> Oh.
[2:59] <godzirra> that's back to defaults.
[2:59] <godzirra> So no, I've made changes but they're changed back now
[3:00] <ShiftPlusOne> If you have modified the code, have you changed the parameters to GPIO.setup and GPIO.input functions everywhere?
[3:00] <godzirra> I have.
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[3:00] <ShiftPlusOne> And which distro are you running? Raspbian?
[3:00] <godzirra> Occidentalis
[3:00] <godzirra> The Adafruit distro.
[3:00] <ShiftPlusOne> oh >_<
[3:00] <godzirra> I think its based on raspbian
[3:01] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, make sure you don't load modules which use the alternative functions
[3:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I think pksato is right here
[3:01] <godzirra> How do I tell? I'm curerntly loading rfcomm, buep, bluetooth, rfkill, joydev, uinput (which I need for the python script), i2c_dev, snd_bcm2835, snd_pcm, snd_page_alloc, snd_seq, snd_seq_device, snd_timer, snd, spidev
[3:01] <godzirra> evdev, leds_gpio, led_Class, spi_bcm2708,i2c_bcm2708.
[3:01] <godzirra> led sounds suspect. Let me remove that.
[3:02] <ShiftPlusOne> no, leds is fine
[3:02] <godzirra> Oh. Anything else seem relevant?
[3:02] <ShiftPlusOne> the bcm spi and i2c ones, but I am guessing.
[3:02] <godzirra> I'll try and remove those.
[3:03] <godzirra> I removed those and tried detecting the keypresses again
[3:03] <godzirra> still with no luck
[3:04] <godzirra> Pin 11 should work, right? Thats the one I'm currently testing on
[3:05] <ShiftPlusOne> It has a number of alternative functions, so I can't say with certainty.
[3:06] <godzirra> I changed back to 15/16 for left and right on the joystick and it still doesn't seem to be detecting those keypresses.
[3:06] <pksato> use some gpio monitor tools
[3:06] <pksato> I dont remember name of tools
[3:06] <godzirra> Like what? I'm not sure what to use since I'm new to this. So far I've been using advj (frmo advmame) to detect keypresses.
[3:06] <godzirra> And it detects up/down/fire just fine
[3:06] <godzirra> just not left and right
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[3:12] <SirStan> http://76.19.233.134:9999 << my pi.
[3:12] <Martin`> nice :)
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[3:13] <Martin`> I'm working on something like that too, but having problems with the distance of my outside temperure sensor :P
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[3:13] <SirStan> Im using dallas one wire sensors.
[3:13] <Martin`> hoe do you receive the temp?
[3:13] <Martin`> ah ok, not wireless? :)
[3:13] <SirStan> nope.
[3:13] <Martin`> ok
[3:13] <SirStan> hard wired.
[3:14] <Martin`> I connected a arduino for receiving data from my outside temperature :)
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[3:20] <jbermudes> Are the 2 USB ports on the pi a hub for one internal usb connection or are they separate connections?
[3:22] <piney> the 2 usb ports are on a hub
[3:22] <piney> also shared with the network interface
[3:23] <jbermudes> Ah, so I probably can't use a pi as a 2 drive network dvd burner, heh
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[3:23] <piney> might be able to, but it would be slow
[3:24] <SirStan> 48x is 7.2mb/s
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[3:24] <SirStan> USB 2 is ~35mb max.
[3:24] <piney> interesting
[3:25] <SirStan> Theoretically .. you SHOULD be able to burn two cd's at 48x from a usb harddrive on a USB2 port..
[3:25] <SirStan> 7.2x4 < 35.
[3:25] <SirStan> jbermudes: try it. document it. for science.
[3:26] <SirStan> if i had a usb hub here i'd benchmark it with 3 usb drives (i dont have usb burners)
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[3:29] <SirStan> though .. a second pi is $25.
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[4:09] <Orii> hey im trying to change my mac address and it wont work on any interface. im doing ifconfig wlan0/eth0 down but it seems to just keep coming back up automatically
[4:10] <Orii> because i do macchanger and it will say "ERROR: Cant change MAC: interface up or not permission: Device or resource busy"
[4:10] <Orii> im running as root
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[4:11] <Orii> this is raspbian btw
[4:11] <Wired203> for wireless?
[4:11] <Orii> yes
[4:12] <Orii> same for eth0 as well
[4:12] <Orii> ethernet
[4:12] <Wired203> ethernet I'm unsure of but the wifi config tool allows you to spoof the mac address no problem
[4:13] <pksato> Orii: Need first to down interface. ifconfig interface down, and change mac, and up again.
[4:13] <Orii> i did that
[4:13] <pksato> or, use hwaddress(?) parameter on intercafes file.
[4:13] <Orii> i stated that above ^__^
[4:13] <Orii> ip link set dev wlan0 down does not work either
[4:14] <pksato> why need to change mac?
[4:14] <Orii> testing to see if i can :)
[4:15] <pksato> ok, yu can not. :)
[4:15] <Wired203> lol
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[4:16] <Wired203> if it can be done on the interfaces file then it's just sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces make change ctrl-x yes enter reboot
[4:16] <Wired203> or restart your interfaces
[4:17] <Orii> how do i restart interfaces?
[4:18] <Orii> hey doenst allow-hotplug automatically turn the device on?
[4:19] <pksato> ifdown eth0; ip link set eth0 down; ip link set eth0 address 00:00:00:00:00:01; ifup eth0 (if syntax are correct)
[4:20] <Torikun> yo
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[4:21] <Orii> nice works!
[4:21] <Orii> thanks :d
[4:21] <Orii> :D
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[4:24] <Wired203> now he's gonna mad haxxor
[4:25] <Orii> XD
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[4:30] <Orii> thanks for the help pksato
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[4:34] <cellofellow> Anybody using raspbmc and successfully installed nfs-kernel-server?
[4:35] <Orii> cellofellow: maybe not what you want to hear but openelec i believe has that by default and has always worked great for me
[4:36] <cellofellow> i've gotten pretty comfortable with my raspbmc setup, not really sure a switcheroo is in order.
[4:37] <Orii> understandable. i am not much help then. forgive me and i wish you luck
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[4:37] <Wired203> he wants to draw you to the dark side
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[4:38] <Orii> shush now Wired203 XP
[4:38] <cellofellow> in lieu of nfs, what's a good alternative? SMB, but I don't have any windows boxen, but it's not that big a deal if I have to use SMB. Is there anything else, any other LAN remote filesystems?
[4:38] <cellofellow> Wired203: lol.
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[4:38] <Orii> use a nas? freenas?
[4:39] <SStrife> [13:19] <pksato> ifdown eth0; ip link set eth0 down; ip link set eth0 address 00:00:00:00:00:01; ifup eth0 (if syntax are correct) <-- Why would you specify a MAC address? The PHY has a real one, no?
[4:39] <cellofellow> trying to make my pi double as a nas and a media center.
[4:39] <cellofellow> Streaming from XBMC works, but I want file access on my laptop.
[4:39] <Torikun> that is slow cellofellow lol
[4:39] <Torikun> PI has horrible IO.
[4:40] <Torikun> ethernet and USB share the same bus
[4:40] <cellofellow> I know, but it's just a place to put a spare hard drive.
[4:40] <Orii> SStrife: had to change the macaddress
[4:40] <Torikun> =(
[4:40] <cellofellow> Don't have room on my new SSD.
[4:40] <Orii> im so sorry for your loss cellofellow :(
[4:41] <SStrife> Why would you ever need to change it, I mean.
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[4:42] <Orii> SStrife: pentesting :)
[4:42] <SStrife> Outside of some kludge to bypass a limitation of.... ahh
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[4:42] <Orii> want to see what i can do with it as of right now
[4:42] <SStrife> Yeah, that's probably the only one I think think of TBH.
[4:42] <Orii> ^__^
[4:43] <SStrife> There was some dude on another channel I hang out on, he connected a wifi router to his corporate network
[4:43] <SStrife> and changed the MAC address to the one for his work-issued PC
[4:43] <Orii> fun :)
[4:43] <Orii> oh?
[4:43] <SStrife> because he "have to have wireless, i hate control, bla blabla"
[4:43] <pksato> SStrife: on real life? Some Cable ISP lock connection to first used mac, and do modify, need to call isp to change on system.
[4:43] <SStrife> Do ISPs still do that?
[4:44] <SStrife> i know it was a think in, like, 1998
[4:44] <SStrife> thing*
[4:44] <Orii> i doubt it because a bunch of devices have the same mac address now right?
[4:44] <Orii> no?
[4:45] <SStrife> he was using the router's NAT function
[4:45] <SStrife> to have his laptop, phone, tablet, etc, connected to the corporate network
[4:45] <SStrife> while appearing to "the fuzz" as he called it, that there was just one device in his office.
[4:46] <SStrife> because policies, puh, they're for suckers right? :P
[4:46] <Orii> why did he need corporate network exactly though? he could just openvpn to his own network
[4:46] <SStrife> i have no idea
[4:46] <Orii> *shrugs*
[4:47] <SStrife> "because he can" I suppose
[4:47] <Orii> haha
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[4:47] <SStrife> he's one of those militant "everything open source" type people
[4:48] <Orii> haha XD
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[4:48] <SStrife> i dig open source, but you have to respect the hand that pays you
[4:49] <Orii> agreed.
[4:49] <SStrife> and that they're able to pay you because they have secrets from the public
[4:49] <SStrife> etc
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[4:49] <SStrife> Hum. Need a nap. Later! :)
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[4:50] <Orii> later
[4:50] <Orii> hmm guess i should get some rest as well
[4:50] <Orii> later everyone
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[5:02] <ForSpareParts> Anyone ever try running pypy on their Pi? I'm trying to use the dev version and getting an error about a missing library, libffi.so.6
[5:02] <Aivaras> then compile a library.
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[5:09] <kkit> ForSpareParts, install libffi6, assuming you're running debian
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[5:09] <ForSpareParts> kkit: I am using debian, but it doesn't look like libffi6 is available in apt. Should I just install it from source?
[5:10] <ForSpareParts> Also, can I even use pypy? I thought so at first, since there's an ARM build, but now I'm seeing something about it requiring an ARM v7 or something????
[5:11] <kkit> you can get it from experimental
[5:11] <ForSpareParts> kkit: Get pypy from experimental? Or libffi6?
[5:11] <kkit> libffi6
[5:11] <SirStan> how is pypy developed in python, but has a 'binary' version
[5:12] <crazedpsyc> simple: pypy is not developed in python
[5:13] <SirStan> PyPy started out as a Python interpreter written in the Python language itself. Current PyPy versions are translated from RPython to C code and compiled. The PyPy JIT compiler is capable of turning Python code into machine code at run time.
[5:13] <SirStan> Ah.
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[5:21] <SirStan> ./pypy: /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by ./pypy)
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[5:34] <kkit> SirStan, then you need glibc from experimental
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[6:06] <fr0g911> anyone around
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[6:08] <ShiftPlusOne> not sure
[6:08] <fr0g911> ;p
[6:09] <fr0g911> im kinda stuck i got this http://www.ebay.com/itm/181026828673?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[6:10] <fr0g911> but didnt think i needed an inverter
[6:10] <fr0g911> and i have to do the job tomorrow i ordered http://www.ebay.com/itm/180899536590?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[6:10] <fr0g911> but it wont get here in time ;(
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[6:11] <piney> do you have the 5v power supply?
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[6:12] <fr0g911> yes
[6:12] <piney> i would rwist wires together, then get back there with the right equipment later
[6:12] <piney> twist*
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[6:13] <fr0g911> well what ive done before was cut the power supple and use a cat5 line to that to extend it but it can only go about 15 feet
[6:14] <piney> that camera came with that little black box?
[6:15] <piney> i just read it's 12-24 volt. so it's a voltage regulator
[6:15] <fr0g911> no i got that to try and extent it
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[6:16] <fr0g911> could i use like 12volts connected into the cat5 line going into that box and it would lower the volts down to 5v
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[6:16] <piney> yea, thats what i realized
[6:16] <piney> and that's the situation where it will only work up to 15 feet?
[6:17] <fr0g911> yea but thats when i was using the 5volt power supple before
[6:17] <piney> i think the 12-24 volts in, and that black box close to the camera would work at a distance
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[6:18] <fr0g911> yea i guess i just have to figure out what wire colors to use in the rj45 that goes into the box
[6:19] <piney> blue = +, brown = -
[6:19] <fr0g911> really
[6:19] <fr0g911> awesome
[6:19] <piney> both blue, blue/white is positive, brown, brown/white is negative
[6:20] <piney> double check tia568 connetor standard, but yea
[6:21] <fr0g911> awesome thanks i can test that out before i goto the jobsite
[6:21] <piney> 'split the green blue in between' how i always remembered the color standard :)
[6:22] <fr0g911> nice thx alot
[6:22] <fr0g911> i'll try tomorrow after work and let you know if it frys anything
[6:22] <fr0g911> im gonna use a shity camera first lol
[6:22] <piney> just don't connect the power to the router / switch
[6:22] <piney> watch the language please :)
[6:22] <fr0g911> oops didnt mean to say that word
[6:23] <fr0g911> ;(
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[6:23] <fr0g911> i really really really
[6:23] <fr0g911> wish i could use the pi
[6:23] <fr0g911> to view the cam's
[6:24] <piney> you can't?
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[6:24] <fr0g911> well i've tryed with xbmc
[6:24] <fr0g911> and it just shows blank
[6:25] <fr0g911> i have the pi's codecs paid for and installed both of them too
[6:25] <piney> interesting. i have no clue there, don't use a GUI on my pi yet
[6:25] <fr0g911> ive even tryed vlc without gui
[6:26] <fr0g911> samething
[6:26] <piney> probably something stupid though
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[6:27] <fr0g911> yea im sure i havent sat down and played with it for 5hours at one time im sure i could get it
[6:27] <chinoto> Does the raspberry pi look for a file on the sd card to use as it's first stage loader? I'm confused as to how berryboot works since I'm so used to MBR booting.
[6:27] <piney> i also just got a 10x increase in transfer on my VPS, so i might just use that as a camera nvr when I get some cameras. was planning on using the pi otherwise.
[6:28] <chinoto> If so, which file*
[6:28] <piney> chinoto, yes, the pi looks for the boot partition on the sd card to tell it where the rest is
[6:28] <ShiftPlusOne> chinoto, berryboot loads a kernel and a small disk image with a minimal filesystem then uses either switch_root or pivot_root to load the right filesystem.
[6:28] <ShiftPlusOne> so it's not a real boot loader, but it does the job well enough
[6:30] <chinoto> How's that not a boot loader? Are you just saying it's a bit hefty for a boot loader?
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[6:30] <ShiftPlusOne> It's an actual linux kernel and filesystem
[6:31] <ShiftPlusOne> it's more of a minimal linux distro to load another distro.
[6:32] <chinoto> still a boot loader, just heftier than say Grub2 or NTLDR
[6:32] <chinoto> or LILO :D
[6:32] <ShiftPlusOne> meh... semantics.
[6:32] <chinoto> exactly, moving on
[6:33] <chinoto> What does the pi look for when it first turns on? The first partition with a specific file?
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[6:35] <chinoto> I understand how BIOS/MBR and and UEFI/GPT work, but how the Raspberry Pi does it doesn't seem to be a popular piece of info.
[6:35] <ShiftPlusOne> Yup, I am not sure if it's bootcode.bin or start.elf that's executed first, but it doesn't matter too much, since it's executed on the GPU anyway. And yeah, the internal bootcode initialises the sd card finds the fat partition and loads the firmware, which loads the kernel and hands control over to the CPU and executes the kernel.
[6:35] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know the specifics... whether it has to be a certain type of fat, or whether it has to be the first partition... I am not sure.
[6:37] <ShiftPlusOne> If you need specifics you can ask mgottschlag for some traces of the bootrom, or you can dump, disassemble and analyze it yourself, though I suspect it's too much work.
[6:38] <chinoto> For the sake of gaining knowledge I will never use, it is never too much work! Then again... :D
[6:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I just checked, and yeah bootcode.bin is the first file that the internal bootrom looks for... then bootcode.bin does its thing.
[6:38] <chinoto> oh, sweet
[6:38] <ShiftPlusOne> have fun then... https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv/tree/master/dumpbootrom https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv/wiki/Getting-Started
[6:39] <ShiftPlusOne> there's a number of videocore disassemblers available which you'll find on that github wiki
[6:39] <chinoto> I only cared about the first stage, the rest of the stages are dependent on the first.
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[6:41] <ShiftPlusOne> #raspberrypi-internals is the gpu reverse engineering channel, so if you need help with videocore instructions, that's the place to go. It's a bit quiet though so it might be a while before you get an answer.
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[6:55] <chinoto> gah, the router got reset
[6:56] <chinoto> what I had said: "bootcode.bin" helped me find this: http://wolfpaulus.com/journal/embedded/raspberrypi_boot
[6:56] <Wired203> ok this sucks
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[6:57] <Wired203> was rebuilding my htpc, power supply I was planning on using has it's 4 pin power cord too short, only one I have that reaches I pulled cause it dipped power and it's just reboot loop sigh
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[6:59] <ShiftPlusOne> chinoto, careful, that article is outdated. There is just one start.elf now and the memory split is defined in config.txt
[6:59] <Syliss> which is so nice
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[7:03] <chinoto> ShiftPlusOne: I only wanted to know what it uses for the first stage, so it didn't seem like magic.
[7:05] <ShiftPlusOne> ah... so I went overboard with all the videocore stuff then >.>
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[7:05] <chinoto> yep :P
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[7:06] <SixtyFold> sdfafa
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[7:07] <ShiftPlusOne> sdfafa to you too, kind sir.
[7:07] <SixtyFold> ya, idk
[7:08] <SixtyFold> my client was lagged bad or something
[7:08] <SixtyFold> id come in here and get no channel list
[7:08] <SixtyFold> hahaha
[7:08] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[7:08] <SixtyFold> it was like 48 seconds after i entered before i got a topic and channel list
[7:09] <SixtyFold> weird
[7:09] <SixtyFold> but im pinging to most everyone now 1-2 seconds, so eh
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[7:11] <Dagger2> tip: you can just ping yourself for the same effect
[7:12] <Dagger2> no need to ping the entire channel
[7:16] <SixtyFold> naw, i cant actually
[7:16] <SixtyFold> ping me and youll see why
[7:16] <SixtyFold> haha
[7:16] <ShiftPlusOne> * Ping reply from SixtyFold: 167.12 second(s)
[7:16] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[7:16] <SixtyFold> haha
[7:18] <Dagger2> buggy client then
[7:19] <Dagger2> but you don't have to read the text; if you get the response in <5 seconds then you know that it's wrong when it says "2 hours"
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[7:19] <SixtyFold> right
[7:19] <SixtyFold> true
[7:19] <SixtyFold> hehe
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[11:12] <dexta> morning
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[11:47] <martk100> I am trying to get my N-Trig touchscreen working with tslib on Archlinux. Whenever I try any functions I get " The specified device is not a touchscreen I understand" How do I tell tslib about my touchscreen?
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[12:00] <pioj_> hi
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[13:07] <marl_scot1> hi folks, i am trying to design a buffer for my pi using 74HC245 octal buffer chips, but it has been years since i used these, i know ground will be common between the pi and the outside world, but am i correct in thinking that the 'Vcc' pin on the 245 should be connected to 5v (the outside world voltage) rather than the 3.3 pi voltage?
[13:07] <plugwash> what exactly are you trying to do?
[13:07] <marl_scot1> the datasheet that i have isnt much help
[13:08] <marl_scot1> allow control of 5v devices from the pi
[13:08] <plugwash> then you almost certainly don't want a 74HC part
[13:08] <RoyK> marl_scot1: http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/74HC_HCT245.pdf tells me 5V
[13:09] <plugwash> for signals from the Pi to the 5V world you want a 74HCT device running off 5V
[13:09] <plugwash> for signals from the 5V world to the Pi you want a 74LVC device running off 3.3V
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[13:10] <marl_scot1> plugwash, can i ask why the HCT instead of the HC?
[13:11] <RoyK> is a buffer needed for using gpio on the pi?
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[13:12] <marl_scot1> the HCT has an operating voltage of 4.5 - 5.5 where the HC is 2-6
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[13:14] <RoyK> isn't HCT just compatibility with the old stuff?
[13:14] * RoyK even have some LS gates lying around
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[13:14] <marl_scot1> RoyK, what part of the datasheet make you sya Vcc should be set to 5v? (just wandering so i can find it in the future)
[13:15] <plugwash> HCT has "TTL compatible inputs", this translates to lower voltage thresholds. Those lower thresholds mean you can run a HCT device off 5V while driving the inputs from a 3.3V device
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[13:16] <RoyK> marl_scot1: sorry - a bit quick there - guess you'll have to listen more to plugwash on this
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[13:19] <plugwash> As a rule with CMOS logic you choose the supply voltage based on the output voltage you want, then choose the logic family based on what signals you are going to be feeding into the inputs.
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[13:19] <marl_scot1> plugwash, does that mean you cant use the 245 as a bi-directional buffer (as a single chip)?
[13:21] <plugwash> If you don't care about high speed performance you could run a HCT part off 5V and use a voltage divider on the signals from the 5V system to the Pi
[13:22] <plugwash> So for 3.3V to 5V you choose a supply voltage of 5V, then look for a logic family that has 3.3V compatible input thresholds when running off 5V. The "TTL compatible" families (of which HCT is the basic one) offer those input thresholds
[13:22] <plugwash> For 5V to 3.3V you choose a supply voltage of 3.3V then look for a logic family that can tolerate 5V inputs when running off 3.3V (which leads you to the LVC family)
[13:23] <marl_scot1> ok, is there a single chip bi-direction buffer that can have 3.3 one side and 5 the other without needing additional dividers etc?
[13:24] <pioj_> Hi. Is anyone using the latest version of berryboot?
[13:25] <pioj_> Does Tinycore appear among th OS options now?
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[13:26] <plugwash> dedicated level translation buffers certainly exist with various directionality options but they are fairly pricy iirc and I don't have part numbers to hand
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[13:38] <Xeph> Twist-, applegekko: no badblocks found yet, though 2 patters are already checked. So the SD card seems to be OK :/
[13:39] <SStrife> [22:23] <marl_scot1> ok, is there a single chip bi-direction buffer that can have 3.3 one side and 5 the other without needing additional dividers etc? <-- Not to my knowledge, which is why Gertboard uses all 3V3 logic, and gives you an open-collector driver for running loads with higher voltages.
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[13:40] <SStrife> that doesn't help you accept inputs though, so....
[13:42] <plugwash> Actually it does
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[13:43] <plugwash> that is another option if you don't care about high speed, use a 74HCT series open collector buffer (running of 5V) then just use different pullups depending on what you are feeding the signal to
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[13:43] <plugwash> (or rather pullups to different voltages)
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[13:50] <plugwash> The problem with dedicated level shifters seems to be they are mostly designed to level shift busses. So the directions of all the buffers are controlled by the same direction pin
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[14:16] <RoyK> is a buffer needed for using gpio on the pi?
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[14:20] <pksato> To drive device that draw more that 16mA (or less), yes.
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[14:38] <Crenn-NAS> Another 3D printer time lapse video, now with cats! http://youtu.be/uEUdLWwNJ6o
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[15:15] <DDave> Stupid question time! If I run a display on the GPIO, can I also run sensors on it? (I could if they both used i2c right?, as that would make a bus)
[15:15] <mgottschlag> yes
[15:16] <Crenn-NAS> Not a stupid question, providing there is no address conflict, you can use 127 devices on I2C technically
[15:16] <DDave> Thank you both
[15:16] <DDave> Now to figure out I2C sensors etc :3
[15:16] <Crenn-NAS> Just be aware, I2C is slow
[15:16] <DDave> Any faster alternatives?
[15:16] <pksato> most of sensor are slow to.
[15:17] <DDave> Yeah im not looking for anything high speed :)
[15:17] <pksato> slow => less that 1mbps.
[15:17] <Crenn-NAS> DDave: SPI will be faster ;D
[15:17] <DDave> I was reading up on that now :)
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[15:18] <Crenn-NAS> I2C for sensors is fine, was more thinking of your display
[15:18] <DDave> Well its just one of these simple 2line displays
[15:18] <pksato> 16x2 Lcd?
[15:18] <DDave> yep
[15:19] <DDave> thanks guys
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[15:20] <Crenn-NAS> Oh those, I2C will be fine!
[15:20] <Crenn-NAS> If you need to, use a I2C (or SPI) Port Expander, Microchip does some good ones
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[15:23] <DDave> +1
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[15:28] <seba-> is there a list of packages to remove to have ssh only
[15:29] <Maior> seba-: what do you mean "ssh only"
[15:29] <Maior> (and, y'know, what OS etc.)
[15:29] <seba-> removing desktop
[15:29] <seba-> rasbian
[15:29] <seba-> +p
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[15:31] <pksato> seba-: is not possible to remove essential packeges, if yu remove some wrong, reinstall.
[15:32] <Maior> seba-: tight on free disk space, or another reason?
[15:34] <seba-> i don't need the GUI
[15:37] <PhotoJim> the easiest solution is simply not to run the GUI
[15:37] <PhotoJim> if you like, find the package for the GUI in aptitude (the console package manager) and remove it. all the packages that need a GUI will be uninstalled too. but backup, backup, backup first.
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[15:37] <PhotoJim> a 4 GB SD card is as cheap as $3-4 so space isn't a big issue on the Pi.
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[15:40] <seba-> i know, i just don't need the GUI
[15:40] <mjr> removing libx11 for instance would geet rid of most gui stuff
[15:40] <Maior> indeed
[15:42] <PhotoJim> seba-: well, if you're willing to spend a bunch of time on it, experiment. but back up before every change. that way you can go back if you go too far.
[15:43] <seba-> i didn't do anything yet so i don't need to backup
[15:43] <PhotoJim> I'm not sure if there is a version of Gentoo for the Pi, but if you really want a minimalist distribution, that might be your ticket.
[15:43] <PhotoJim> you compile what you need.
[15:43] <PhotoJim> seba-: you'll do this in steps, one thing at a time. so you will absolutely need to back up.
[15:43] <Maior> ugh Gentoo
[15:43] <seba-> i just did apt-get purge x11-*
[15:43] <seba-> removed a bunch of stuff
[15:43] <PhotoJim> I run Gentoo on my Sun Ultra 1. Works great.
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[15:45] <seba-> i wonder if it will boot up again
[15:45] <seba-> :p
[15:46] <seba-> hey btw, what are the speeds of r.pi
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[15:46] <PhotoJim> the speeds of what, specifically?
[15:46] <seba-> i can't get it more than 10-15 mbit/s, but i think the problem is the SD card
[15:46] <seba-> oh like giving data :)
[15:47] <PhotoJim> I can saturate my Ethernet link (100 Mbps).
[15:47] <seba-> interesting
[15:47] <seba-> which SD card do you have
[15:47] <PhotoJim> the speed of your SD card, if you're reading or writing to/from it, will absolutely affect you.
[15:47] <seba-> yeah
[15:48] <PhotoJim> I'm not sure. I'd have to remove it to see. It's Class 10, probably only barely.
[15:48] <seba-> oh
[15:48] <seba-> mine is worse
[15:48] <seba-> ok
[15:48] <PhotoJim> but I use NFS mounts too. The important stuff (video/audio) is on an NFS share.
[15:48] <seba-> then it's just this :)
[15:48] <PhotoJim> if you have a Class 4 card, e.g., that's max. 4 MB/s which is about 40-odd megabits per second.
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[15:48] <seba-> odd?
[15:49] <PhotoJim> well, it's not exactly 40. 40-ish.
[15:49] <seba-> hm
[15:49] <PhotoJim> 44 or so, I think.
[15:49] <PhotoJim> I'm not sure what the I/O overhead of Ethernet is.
[15:49] <seba-> i'll try again, just that i restart after removing half of this crap
[15:50] <PhotoJim> if there's no overhead it'd be 32 Mbps actually. I was adjusting in the wrong direction.
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[16:20] <mac-> I had problems with SD card
[16:20] <mac-> and I've made a write/read test on the card
[16:20] <mac-> can you look at the results if I didn't make miastake during a test ?
[16:20] <mac-> http://pastebin.com/RnUGxr40
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[16:25] <f8l> Hello.
[16:26] <ngc0202> Howdy!
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[16:42] <Scriven> mac-, the test looks legit AFAIK. Maybe format the whole thing ext2 or something and try a badblocks scan? I've never tested a drive like you have, seems like a cool idea actually.
[16:42] <Scriven> make sure it's a destructive scan if you're going to do that.
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[17:38] <gordonDrogon> What Ho, Good people of Pi!
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[18:14] <martk100> I am trying to get my N-Trig touchscreen working with tslib on Archlinux. Whenever I try any functions I get " The specified device is not a touchscreen I understand" How do I tell tslib about my touchscreen?
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[18:24] <Scriven> I want my hour of sleep back! ;)
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[18:25] <Scriven> Finally dug up my electronics 'stuff', box of breadboards and solar cells and connector wires. Should get one of those gpio-breadboard things too I suppose, make the hacking easier. ;)
[18:26] <zproc> hi, i have an EXT4-FS error while doing some apt-get trying to install a package, "rec_len is smaller than minimal"... what should i do? run an fsck?
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[18:37] <Scriven> Never heard of that error zproc, sorry. I'd say an fsck is a good start though.
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[18:40] <zproc> i would copy/paste if i could but.. :) thanks, i'm gonna try an fsck i'll see
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[18:43] <Twist-> Scriven: or just a ribbon cable.
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[18:46] <Scriven> Twist-, have that already, and yeah it'll work for my 1st tests. The header would be much handier, neater, and probably easier for me in the long run tho. ;)
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[18:52] <dreamon> I'm using pi with 8GB sdcard. today wanted to make a sudo apt-get upgrade -> got error -> E: not enough space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.
[18:53] <dreamon> rootfs 1804128 1665276 47204 98% /
[18:53] <dreamon> /dev/root 1804128 1665276 47204 98% /
[18:53] <dreamon> devtmpfs 94488 0 94488 0% /dev
[18:53] <dreamon> tmpfs 18912 196 18716 2% /run
[18:53] <dreamon> tmpfs 5120 0 5120 0% /run/lock
[18:53] <dreamon> tmpfs 37820 0 37820 0% /run/shm
[18:53] <dreamon> /dev/mmcblk0p1 57288 35936 21352 63% /boot
[18:53] <DDave> First off all, dont copy paste into here :)
[18:53] <dreamon> what can i do to fix it
[18:53] <dreamon> DDave, sorry
[18:55] <DDave> Did you expand the rootfs?
[18:55] <Scriven> dreamon, pastbin.com for cutting-and-pasting stuff, then you can just paste the url. ;)
[18:56] <dreamon> Scriven, next time I will do so!
[18:56] <dreamon> DDave, no simple copied the image to the sdcard ..
[18:56] <DDave> dreamon, and I think you'll find "df -h" much more useful :)
[18:57] <DDave> dreamon, run "sudo raspi-config" and select the "expand rootfs" option
[18:57] <dreamon> DDave, fdisk shows only the blocks. so didnt know the right size.
[18:58] <SwK> ls
[18:58] <Scriven> dreamon, basically you'll have to remove stuff. If you've done a lot of apt-get upgrades, you should : apt-get clean
[18:58] <Scriven> that'll remove all the extra downloaded files.
[18:58] <SwK> oops wrong window
[18:58] <Scriven> SwK, LOL! n1
[18:58] <SwK> atleast I didnt type a password lol
[18:59] <Scriven> oh, yeah DDave nice catch! ;)
[18:59] <Scriven> SwK, seen that happen in IRC a lot the last few days actually. /ns identify blahblah. lol! Oops!
[18:59] <dreamon> DDave, can you tell me what expand rootfs is doing? does it expand the hole partition to my 8GB sdcard, or only expands rootfs?
[18:59] <Scriven> dreamon, DDave just noticed that you haven't expanded your / to fill all the 8GB yet.
[19:00] <SwK> Scriven: it happens all the time??? i've dont it myself lol
[19:00] <Scriven> dreamon, it expands the root partition to fill up your SD card.
[19:00] <Scriven> you don't need /boot to be any bigger than it already is.
[19:00] <DDave> Scriven, thanks for replying :)
[19:00] <Scriven> yw. ;)
[19:00] <DDave> anyhow, dreamon that will fix your issues ;)
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[19:00] <Scriven> I didn't even notice that until you pointed it out. lol
[19:01] <SwK> sooo???. i've been digging around for RPi power button solutions??? and I've found a couple of kick starters, but no real design hints??? anyone know of an opensource design for a power switch button that is also controlled for shutdown from say a gpio pin?
[19:01] <dreamon> DDave, Scriven THANKS A LOT -> rootfs 7645144 1666680 5590212 23% / ;)
[19:01] <Scriven> yay!
[19:01] <DDave> dreamon, have fun with your rpi :)
[19:01] <Scriven> that looks much nicer!
[19:01] <DDave> SwK, dont you just have to short pin 1 and 2?
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> SwK: is needing to hold the power button down to boot it a showstopper? (for 5s or so)
[19:03] <SwK> DDave: not really??? you need to bring power in on startup with a latching switch, then on shutdown, remove power, this is functionality that was left out of the pi originally (presumably to help keep costs under the target level
[19:03] <maxped> dreamon: fyi you can use pastebin from the command line with pastebinit ;)
[19:04] <DDave> SwK, thanks. Ill have a look myself
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[19:05] <SpeedEvil> SwK: easy solution is a resistor plus transistor hooked to a normally inactive gpio. this holds a relay on. across the transistor is an on button
[19:05] <SwK> SpeedEvil: trying to avoid that??? I'm trying to avoid completely re-inventing the wheel heh.. but there are latching designs for stuff like this??? then a small program on the RPi could act like a hackish APM module heh oh they called halt -p, last thing we do after umount is drop gpio foo low, and boom the latching supply switch kicks to the off position
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> technically, there are better solutions.
[19:06] <SwK> SpeedEvil: right, but then you have to hold it long enough for the gpio to be driving high
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> but it costs a pound fifty or so, and uses ~30ma
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> SwK: yep, early boot
[19:06] <SwK> costs I'm not to worried about, I just dont want 27 things hanging off my rpi
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> unless there are active high gpios default state
[19:07] <DDave> a case that has all that built in would be sweet :D
[19:07] <SwK> if I can find a good design, i'll integrate it with a keypad lcd and power supply plate that feeds power via the gpio header heh
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[19:08] <SpeedEvil> stupid solution 2, a bistable relay
[19:08] <SwK> already have the keypad lcd part done (proto boards are out to fab now)
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/V23079E1201B301/PB1080CT-ND/1634017
[19:09] <SpeedEvil> add one transistor, resistor, switch, and you're done
[19:09] <SpeedEvil> no need to hold on, zero off current, zero idle current
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[19:10] <SwK> the other thing lol trying to keep current budget tight
[19:10] <zproc> hmm, how should i proceed to do an fsck on /dev/mmcblk0p2 ?
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> an extra 28ma when switching on and off is irrelevant
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[19:11] <SpeedEvil> also, have you considered a model a?
[19:11] <SwK> I wish there was a model C
[19:11] <SwK> lol
[19:12] <SpeedEvil> panda board
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[19:13] <SwK> panda board is way to expensive for my project
[19:14] <SwK> as is the mods i'm working on should reduce cost to the pi not increase it
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[19:17] <DDave> I just upset the gods, apt-get remove vim
[19:17] <Nik05> :O
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[19:20] <RoyK> pksato: 16mA per GPIO pin?
[19:20] <pksato> Or less.
[19:21] <RoyK> meaning you're likely to fry the pi with a single LED?
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[19:21] <pksato> Depend of what you read.
[19:21] <pksato> no.
[19:21] <RoyK> probably safest to use a buffer anyway
[19:23] <pksato> modem led need few mA (~5mA) to max. bright,
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[19:24] <RoyK> but will you fry the pi if you try to draw >16mA?
[19:24] <DDave> would it be wise to add fuses to the GPIO?
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[19:24] <pksato> for short time, no.
[19:25] <Scriven> zproc, fsck /dev/mmcblk0p2?
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[19:29] <SwK> RoyK: dont i know you from the VoIP world some how?
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[19:36] <Tachyon`> basically don't connect anything to the gpio without buffering unless you're damn sure it'll work as it /will/ damage the chip if it attempts to draw too much
[19:36] <Tachyon`> does anyone in here know if I were to plug in a USB DVD drive would I be able to play Audio CDs from it (by reading the data as there's no audio from the drive possible)
[19:36] <Tachyon`> (using raspbmc)
[19:37] <kkit> didn't the audio cable for cd audio die off in the mid 90s?
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[19:38] <Tachyon`> the audio output was present on drives for some time and still is in some cases, not sure how that question helps answer what I'm asking either...
[19:38] <pksato> some cdaudio player can use direct data from cda.
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[19:45] <RoyK> SwK: I used to work with asterisk some four years ago or something
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[19:52] <kaste> can someone please tell mit what the fixup files are for?
[19:53] <kaste> and if someone could give me pointer to how the kernel is built I'd be greatful
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[19:54] <kaste> s/kernel/kernel.img/ I'm actually most interested in the uboot part since I only want uboot in the end
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[19:55] <linuxstb> kaste: IIUC they are lookup tables for the memory configuration
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[19:59] <kaste> ah thank you
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[20:10] <SwK> RoyK: thats probably where is tfrom
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[20:10] <RoyK> SwK: I'm pretty glad I don't work with that crap anymore...
[20:11] <netw1z> why
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[20:13] <f8l> Hello again. Is it normal that voltage between tp1 and tp2 drops below 4V when connecting the ethernet cable to model B? I think I'm having a PSU problem (which is rated 5V 1A, but I'm still suspicious).
[20:14] <piney> f8l, i would agree a power problem. below 4.8v is unstable
[20:15] <piney> maybe even 4.9, not sure what the spec says
[20:17] <f8l> piney: Thank you. May I say the PSU is not working properly since it doesn't supply near 5V voltage while powering a 700mA device?
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[20:18] <piney> f8l, yea, thats a fair statement
[20:18] <piney> 700ma being 70% load, should output fine there.
[20:18] <f8l> piney: I don't know if it's relevant, but it was meant to be a phone charger.
[20:19] <piney> f8l, do you have any usb stuff plugged in?
[20:19] <piney> the network jack and usb ports are on the same chip. and the pi is very underpowered when it comed to usb power
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[20:20] <piney> if you have a kb and or mouse plugged in, i would suggest trying a powered hub. thet might solve the issue
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[20:20] <f8l> piney: Nothing apart from the ethernet and the power is connected.
[20:20] <piney> interesting. this doesn't apply then.
[20:21] <piney> try another power supply. my phone power supply works for me, but that's 1.2 amp
[20:21] <f8l> piney: I was going to ssh to the Pi after confirming it works on a HDMI TV.
[20:21] <f8l> piney: OK. Thank you for your help. :-)
[20:21] <piney> thats what I do
[20:21] <piney> np, good luck
[20:21] <piney> bbl - have to go put a 2'nd coat of paint on a fence
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[20:32] <Shirakawasuna> I have a pi running a minimal python server. However, if I just let it sit there, getting ping requests for hours, I eventually can no longer ssh into it and have to power cycle it. Since it's about 5 miles away this is annoying. How should I go about troubleshooting the cause of the problem? I assume it's either an I/O thing or a process is slowly eating up too much memory.
[20:32] <Shirakawasuna> are there convenient tools for logging memory usage by process, I/O by process, etc?
[20:32] <atouk> overclocking?
[20:33] <Shirakawasuna> Nope, using stock raspbian settings, headless server (no X)
[20:33] <f8l> Shirakawasuna: For I/O there is iotop. For memory perhaps standard top is suitable.
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[20:34] <Shirakawasuna> f8l: I use both. I guess I should learn how to log with them.
[20:35] <Shirakawasuna> maybe log 'free' as well
[20:35] <f8l> Shirakawasuna: Look for ???batch??? or similar in the man page.
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[20:35] <f8l> Shirakawasuna: `iotop -b`
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[20:36] <Shirakawasuna> yeah
[20:37] <Shirakawasuna> I guess I'll need to figure out how to parse that output ;)
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[20:38] <Shirakawasuna> I feel like someone would've written a script to do all this already, will report back if I find one
[20:39] <Shirakawasuna> here's one: https://github.com/scaidermern/audria
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[20:41] <f8l> Shirakawasuna: -i in top and -o in iotop may help keep the log smaller. Rotating it could be a good idea???
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[20:41] <Shirakawasuna> yeah
[20:42] <Shirakawasuna> I have a 32Gb card so running out of storage isn't a huge worry... probably
[20:42] <Shirakawasuna> but putting it in /var/log and making sure logrotate's aware is good
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[20:46] <RoyK> anyone that knows how I can get the h.264 encoder driver?
[20:46] <RoyK> can't seem to find it
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[20:48] <dreamon> Is it possible to sync time&day at boottime over the web?
[20:48] <RoyK> apt-get install ntp
[20:48] <RoyK> dreamon: ntp will keep time in sync
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[20:50] <dreamon> RoyK, do I have to make a entry, to start it at boottime?
[20:50] <RoyK> it should start at boot if you install it
[20:50] <RoyK> if time is really off, you may need to run ntpdate to sync it first
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[20:51] <dreamon> RoyK, Thank you!!
[20:52] <RoyK> np ;)
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[21:24] <yorick> hello, I'm trying to dd raspbian onto an sd card
[21:24] <yorick> it fails somewhere 20 seconds in, leaving a process that cannot be killed
[21:24] <yorick> dmesg shows [ 2500.411549] mmcblk0: error -110 sending stop command, original cmd response 0x900, card status 0x400e00
[21:24] <yorick> the process errors out when I remove the sd card
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[21:25] <Maior> yorick: sounds like hardware fail
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[21:25] <yorick> hardware fail from what?
[21:26] <Maior> yorick: pass; anything more interesting in dmesg?
[21:26] <Maior> yorick: I'd try a different SD card if you can
[21:27] <yorick> Maior: http://pastie.org/6445817
[21:27] <yorick> I have no different SD card
[21:27] <DDave> yorick, sounds like your SD card isnt compatible :/
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[21:28] <DDave> compatible as in, broken
[21:28] <Maior> DDave: unconvinced
[21:28] <Maior> oh, right, broken, yes
[21:28] <DDave> My bad :D
[21:28] <yorick> I just bought it
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[21:29] <DDave> yorick, get it exchanged :/
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[21:29] <yorick> it's a kingston 16GB SDHC
[21:29] <yorick> it might work on windows
[21:30] <yorick> or the reader may be a piece of crap
[21:30] <chithead> s/may be/is/
[21:30] <DDave> blame the reader!
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[21:31] <yorick> chithead: it's a shitty builtin thing by HP
[21:31] <yorick> I'm rather surprised that it had any linux support at all :P
[21:31] <yorick> so apparently it's just reading
[21:31] <yorick> it wrote a couple bytes, the bootsector is a bit more screwed up now
[21:32] <chithead> does the sd card have a write protect switch?
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[21:32] <Maior> chithead: that should fail more cleanly than dmesg says
[21:33] <chithead> yeah, I guess so. tried cleaning the sd card contacts yet?
[21:33] <yorick> chithead: yes, flipping that breaks it more cleanly
[21:35] <DDave> Maior, try dding from windows, just to rule out linux?
[21:35] <yorick> I just unpackaged the sd card, the reader contacts may be dirty
[21:35] <yorick> also I don't really have windows on it anymore :P
[21:35] <RoyK> it'd be rather good if I could use the h.264 encoder with avconv/ffmpeg.....
[21:36] <DDave> whops, wrong highlight (my bad)
[21:36] <Maior> DDave: I'd bet money on that not changing things, but...
[21:36] <DDave> Maior, assuming the driver support on linux (for that specific hp part) is wonky...
[21:36] <DDave> I own a HP myself, linux support is awesome! :D
[21:36] <yorick> no it's not
[21:37] <yorick> you're sarcastic
[21:37] <DDave> :D
[21:37] <mjr> yorick, yeah try a usb card reader if you have one
[21:37] <yorick> I don't, maybe I can lend one tomorrow
[21:37] <mjr> one of my laptop integrated readers isn't really reliable either...
[21:37] <Maior> DDave: again, can't see that behaviour happening - partial write with an IO wobble midway heavily indicates hw to me
[21:38] <yorick> DDave: I can't use the fingerprint reader either and the backlight still randomly resets to full brightness and USB3 only works when booting using MBR :P
[21:38] <chithead> so try the card in a different card reader, and if the same problems happen there it may be defective
[21:40] <Maior> yorick: basically, I don't know how practical it is for you, but swapping out card/reader would be the things I'd try
[21:40] <DDave> yorick, touchpad issues, screen brightness issues, integrated/dedicated gpu issues, just to name a few one off the top of my head :D
[21:41] <Maior> anyway gl;hf
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[21:41] <yorick> DDave: yeah there's a crack in my touchpad :|
[21:41] <DDave> LOL
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[22:49] <fr0g911> piney you around
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[22:51] <fr0g911> so i cut a power dc plug and connected the positive wire to the blue and blue/white wire, and then the neg- to the brown brown/white wire, and at the end i put a rj45 and connected that into the ws=poe-5v and then pluged in the plug that comes from that into the cam and nothing no power
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[22:53] <seba-> draw it
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[22:55] <fr0g911> draw it?
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[23:01] <godzirra> Howdy Pi-ers.
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[23:02] <godzirra> For GPIO, pin 8 should work for ground, shouldn't it?
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[23:11] <marl_scot1> hi folks, anyone know of a cli sip client that can be run on the pi, that will use a bluetooth dongle for audio in/out ? Im looking for something that doesnt require a gui, and can allow me to hit hte 'answer' button on my BT headset to answer a call, posibly with the ability to runa cli script to make it dial a number out as well
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[23:12] <DDave> basically a cli webphone?
[23:13] <marl_scot1> posibly, not rally bothered about web access, as any dialer scripts i have run from cli at the moment (they send a dial request to an astrisk box, and it automaticly dials my extension and then the number requested)
[23:14] <DDave> my bad, softphone*
[23:14] <marl_scot1> but i like the idea of getting shot of my asterisk box, and just using a sip line coming in and use my pi as a bluetooth voip handset
[23:14] <marl_scot1> DDave, yup, softphone :)
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[23:14] <marl_scot1> all af the ones ive seen so far, are based around a gui
[23:15] <DDave> marl_scot1, http://www.pjsip.org/pjsua.htm ?
[23:15] <DDave> --> http://www.kernelcrash.com/blog/a-decent-linux-command-line-sip-softphone/2007/11/14/
[23:17] <marl_scot1> thanks DDave , that lo0oks like it may do the job :)
[23:17] <DDave> marl_scot1, keep me in the loop if you get it figured out, sounds good :)
[23:17] <DDave> good/interesting
[23:17] <SirStan> marl_scot1: http://www.pjsip.org/pjsua.htm
[23:17] <DDave> Dont know what the bleeping bleep is wrong with me tonight..
[23:18] <SirStan> ops.
[23:18] <marl_scot1> letts see, pi ?25, BT dongle ?8 SDcar etc. ?15 = PI BT SIP handset Total : ?50 , any other BT SIP phones available : ?150
[23:18] <marl_scot1> i think the pi is the winner :)
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[23:19] <DDave> marl_scot1, I was lucky enough to get a cisco 7960 for free :3
[23:19] <SirStan> DDave: the 7960 does bt?
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[23:19] <DDave> Nah :D
[23:20] <marl_scot1> DDave, i will let you know how i get on
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[23:20] <DDave> marl_scot1, thanks
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[23:23] <fr0g911> seba- http://postimage.org/image/vj6r0gxx1/
[23:24] <fr0g911> im not good with images lol but thats what im doing using the 12v dc plug cut off and going to the two cat5 wires
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[23:24] <fr0g911> then i plug the rj45 into the poe-5v and then it has a plug for the cam
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[23:46] <godzirra> For GPIO, pin 8 should work for ground, shouldn't it?
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[23:50] <owen_> I think pin 8 is gpio14
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[23:54] <godzirra> Hrm.
[23:54] <godzirra> I wonder why its working as ground for this.
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[23:55] <godzirra> http://blog.thestateofme.com/2012/08/10/raspberry-pi-gpio-joystick/
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