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[0:13] <marl_scot1> hi folks, im using latest raspbian wheezy and i cant find the 'hcitool' for bluetooth scans, anyone able to tell me if i need extra sources or something?
[0:14] <godzirra> Anyone have experience with GPIO, python and uinput? For some reason my python script stopped detecting keypresses, and I can't figure out why
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[0:14] <marl_scot1> godzirra, take it you have double checked your permissions to the gpio registers etc?
[0:15] <godzirra> marl_scot1: No? How do I do that? It was working and it just stopped, so I stripped my board down to a single button, but its still not recognizing.
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[0:15] <godzirra> marl_scot1: I'm using the script in here: http://blog.thestateofme.com/2012/08/10/raspberry-pi-gpio-joystick/ though I've commented everything out except pin7
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[0:15] <marl_scot1> what user are you running your script under?
[0:16] <godzirra> root.
[0:16] <godzirra> Well, pi, with sudo
[0:16] <marl_scot1> ok, not a permission problem then :(
[0:16] <godzirra> I didn't think so...
[0:16] <godzirra> I had the whole board working and everything just stopped working.
[0:16] <godzirra> and I'm not clear what happened.
[0:16] <marl_scot1> do you have a test meater that you can confirm the voltage at the gpio pin on the pi when you press/release the button?
[0:17] <godzirra> How do I test the voltage at the pin while its connected?
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[0:17] <marl_scot1> one thing i do is turn the pi over, and hold one meter probe to the pin i want to check and hold the other probe to ground (like the shield around the micro usb power connector)
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[0:19] <marl_scot1> just be REALLY carefull you dont slip with the probe and trash your pi?
[0:19] <SirStan> nothing worse than spoiled pi
[0:20] <A124> Spoiled life?
[0:20] <godzirra> nope. No voltage it seems. assuming I'm using my meter right. I'm fairly bad at electronics =p
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[0:20] <marl_scot1> is that when the button is up and down?
[0:21] <godzirra> Correct.
[0:21] <marl_scot1> that would indicate that something is wrong with your circit rather than your pi/program
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[0:22] <godzirra> There's not much of a circuit..
[0:22] <godzirra> Its a single switch wired to ground and another pin
[0:22] <marl_scot1> next thing to check is if you can find a positive voltage anyware on the circuit, use the ground on the pi as your ground point and test things like your +v supply as your cable connects to the circuit
[0:22] <godzirra> I know I said I'm bad at electronics, but even I can't screw that up. ;)
[0:22] <marl_scot1> ah, does it not have to be between +v and gpio pin?
[0:23] <godzirra> It wasn't when it was working before? I just had it wired to pin 7 for the positive side of the switch and ground for the ground terminal.
[0:23] <marl_scot1> iirc, the only time you can get a result from shorting to ground (other side of switch attached to ground) is if you have a pull up resistor on the gpio pin
[0:23] <godzirra> And the python library should be checknig for button pushes on pin 7.
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[0:24] <godzirra> Weird. This is the same way I had it setup and working before.
[0:25] <marl_scot1> try attaching to pin 5, and checking for gpio 1 or 3
[0:25] <godzirra> I'm not sure what you mean by check for gpio 1 or 3?
[0:25] <godzirra> The library I'm using just setsup a pin as an input pin and watches for input.
[0:26] <marl_scot1> what command do you use to check the gpio state?
[0:26] <marl_scot1> ok, do you know what the library calls pin 7?
[0:26] <godzirra> GPIO.input(pinNumber)
[0:27] <marl_scot1> one problem with the pi's have several number systems for gpio pins
[0:27] <marl_scot1> ok and the switch is attched to phisical pin number 7 on the board?
[0:27] <godzirra> Yeah, I've noticed that. :)
[0:27] <godzirra> Correct.
[0:27] <godzirra> And ground to pin 8 on the board.
[0:27] <godzirra> Don't ask me why pin 8... but that's what it said to use for uinput, and it worked before.
[0:27] <marl_scot1> ok, do you know if your pi is a 'rev1' or a 'rev2' ?
[0:27] <godzirra> I'm using this script to test: http://blog.thestateofme.com/2012/08/10/raspberry-pi-gpio-joystick/
[0:27] <godzirra> rev2
[0:28] <marl_scot1> try pin6 or pin 9 for ground
[0:28] <godzirra> I tried 6. Let me try again.
[0:28] <marl_scot1> pin 8 is a gpio (gpio 14)
[0:28] <godzirra> Do I need to power down the pi, or just switch the wires around?
[0:28] <godzirra> Yeah, I know.
[0:28] <godzirra> But it definitely was working before.
[0:29] <marl_scot1> depends on how confident you are at not mis placing the wire or shorting something!
[0:29] <godzirra> touche.
[0:29] <godzirra> pin 6, no love.
[0:30] <marl_scot1> checking with the meter?
[0:30] <godzirra> Oh. No, let me try that.
[0:30] <marl_scot1> it should be 0 for both settings
[0:30] <godzirra> For the meter, I should be on AC/mA, right?
[0:30] <marl_scot1> how many switches are you trying to wire up (noramlly)
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[0:31] <godzirra> 10
[0:31] <marl_scot1> nope, Volts (upto 20v)
[0:31] <godzirra> ac?
[0:31] <marl_scot1> dc
[0:32] <marl_scot1> ah, is each switch connected to its own gpio pin, or are they connected together? (like the one pin from the first 4 switches is connected to pin 8)
[0:32] <godzirra> AC seems to measure as soon as I hit teh button.
[0:32] <godzirra> DC seems to ignore it.
[0:32] <godzirra> Each switch is connected to its own gpio pin
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[0:32] <godzirra> Ground is connected to pin 8 on all switches
[0:32] <godzirra> then the positive terminal has its own pin
[0:33] <marl_scot1> ok, try moving your cable from pin6 to pin 1
[0:33] <godzirra> I was on 9
[0:33] <godzirra> let me try 1
[0:34] <marl_scot1> pin 1 is 3.3v, so when you press the button, you should get 3.3v at pin 7
[0:34] <marl_scot1> which should give you a value of '1' when reading the pin state
[0:34] <godzirra> ah
[0:34] <godzirra> I've got it wired for continous on
[0:34] <marl_scot1> ?
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[0:35] <godzirra> I get 3.3v between pin 1 and 7
[0:35] <godzirra> untl I push the button
[0:35] <marl_scot1> well in that case, pressing the button should give you 0 for the output
[0:35] <godzirra> It did.
[0:35] <marl_scot1> ok, try pressing the button and see if pin 7 drops to 0
[0:35] <marl_scot1> so that worked?
[0:36] <godzirra> I had ground on pin 1, positive meter on pin 7
[0:36] <godzirra> it drops to 0 when I hit the button, yes.
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[0:36] <marl_scot1> ok, if you want to go back to using pin 8, then you can
[0:36] <godzirra> So the button is working, and I'm getting voltage, but my software isn't seeing the keypress then.
[0:36] <godzirra> ?
[0:37] <marl_scot1> all you need to do is set pin 8 as an output, and turn it on (send '1' to the pin)
[0:37] <godzirra> Hrm.
[0:37] <godzirra> I wonder if uinput does that automatically?
[0:37] <godzirra> Because I didn't set anything for pin 8 before.
[0:37] <marl_scot1> ok,. give me a sec to read the link you gave me
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[0:38] <godzirra> okay
[0:38] <godzirra> so I haven't done anything to setup pin8, and I get the same reaction on pin 8 as pin 1
[0:38] <godzirra> i.e. when I push the button, voltage drops to 0.
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[0:40] <marl_scot1> how are you connecting pin 8?
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[0:40] <godzirra> I'm wiring it directly to the switch
[0:41] <godzirra> same with pin 7.
[0:41] <marl_scot1> ok, so its pin 8 -> switch -> pin 7 ?
[0:41] <godzirra> yup.
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[0:41] <marl_scot1> any pull up resistors?
[0:41] <godzirra> Nope.
[0:43] <marl_scot1> your circit, are you using one you found on line, or is it made from scratch?
[0:43] <godzirra> There's really no circuit. Its just a bunch of switches wired directly to ground and to a gpio pin.
[0:44] <marl_scot1> ok, looking at that link you posted for the script, it would appear that the script was written to use the joystick as its switches
[0:44] <godzirra> Right, that's what I'm doing.
[0:44] <godzirra> But if you look at the internals of the joystick, its just 4 switches. One for each direction.
[0:44] <godzirra> I can take a picture to show you, but its quite literally just 4 switches that pushing on the joystick triggers.
[0:45] <marl_scot1> ok, but the circuit on the page has pull up resistors
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[0:46] <godzirra> Okay. I can try finding some pull up resistors, but it was working before and I wasn't using them.
[0:46] <godzirra> What is the difference between a pull up resistor and a normal resistor?
[0:46] <marl_scot1> i am going back WAY WAY WAY long time, but from what i remember, the priginal worked, by using pull resistors within the machine, and pressing a button, pulled the line to ground (0v)
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[0:47] <marl_scot1> no differance, 'pull up' resistors, simple connect between the pin and +v and keep the pin at a high value, untill it is shorted, they should always be around the 10k mark (i thinkn!)
[0:48] <godzirra> Okay.
[0:48] <godzirra> Let me find a 10k resistor real quick and try it.
[0:48] <marl_scot1> 'pull down' resistors do the same thing but hold the pin to 0v untill +v is applied to the pin.
[0:48] <godzirra> But its the same piece of hardware, just doing idfferent functions?
[0:49] <marl_scot1> you use pull up/down resitors to avoid having the lines 'float' (at which point they can pick up a lot of interferance from other local electric supplies)
[0:49] <piney> godzirra, 'pull up' and 'pull down' are ways to use a resistor, not types of resistors
[0:50] <marl_scot1> if you are using the script that they provided, it would be easier to use the same circuit as well, it may be that in the past, you had your wires close to something that was generating your +v through induction
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[0:50] <godzirra> Got it
[0:50] <marl_scot1> tahnks piney i didnt make that very clear did i? lol
[0:51] <marl_scot1> piney, would you agrea with what i have said so far?
[0:51] <godzirra> No, it made sense.
[0:51] <godzirra> But adding a 10k resistor between the switch and pin 7 didn't seem to do anything. :/
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[0:51] <marl_scot1> godzirra, nope, the way it should be connected is :
[0:51] <marl_scot1> 0v to common on switches
[0:51] <piney> most of it, there are strong and weak pull up / down resistors. 10k being good for this application
[0:52] <marl_scot1> then on each switch connected to a gpio, 10k resistor between it and +v
[0:52] <godzirra> Okay. I'm just using a single button right now to test.
[0:52] <marl_scot1> so your circuit is :
[0:52] <godzirra> So I've got pin 8 (common) -> switch -> resistor -> pin 7
[0:53] <marl_scot1> 0v -> switch -> (10k resistor -> +v) and -> pin 7
[0:53] <piney> one more leg needed godzirra
[0:53] <godzirra> I don't have a +v...
[0:53] <godzirra> I never did. And I had this working before?
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[0:53] <godzirra> Before it was pin8->switch->pin 7
[0:53] <marl_scot1> godzirra, pin 1 is +v (JUST BE CAREFULL NOT TO USE PIN 2!!!!!!!!!!!)
[0:54] <godzirra> No, I swear... I really had this working before and there was nothing at all connected to pin 1.
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[0:54] <piney> there are built in pull up resistors that can be turned on / off with code.
[0:54] <piney> gotta run though, bbl
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[0:54] <godzirra> Thanks piney
[0:54] <marl_scot1> also, i just remembered, the joystick worked with NO switches not NC (NO - Normal open, NC - Normal closed)
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[0:54] <godzirra> It worked either way.
[0:54] <marl_scot1> piney, do all the gpio pins have pull ups?
[0:55] <godzirra> no, they don't.
[0:55] <godzirra> At least not according to elinux.
[0:56] <godzirra> It's saying that gpio 2, 3 does. But that's all its saying.
[0:56] <godzirra> But either way, I wasn't using pull up resistors or pin 1 before.. no clue what the heck I did to break it.
[0:56] <marl_scot1> thats what i was reading, but wanted to double check :)
[0:56] <marl_scot1> lol, it sounds like you were just lucky with interferance/inductance
[0:57] <godzirra> For 5 switches though?
[0:57] <marl_scot1> they way the joystick works on that page, is all switches have 0v in common, and then each one has a pull up resistor to +v
[0:57] <marl_scot1> and also each switch was connected to a gpio
[0:57] <godzirra> Yeah.. mine was totally not wired that way at all lol
[0:57] <godzirra> I guess I need the wire to +v.
[0:58] <marl_scot1> lol, it wouldnt be the first time i have run a circuit that ran fine, untill it was moved and then stopped totally!
[0:58] <godzirra> Heh,
[0:58] <godzirra> Yeah. Very true.
[0:58] <marl_scot1> give me a sec and i will post a quick pic for you
[0:58] <godzirra> So does EACH switch need a pullup resistor?
[0:58] <godzirra> No, your explanation makes sense...
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[0:58] <godzirra> The positive terminal from the switch splits to a gpio pin one way, and a pull up resistor that goes to pin 1 (or 3.3v) on the other way?
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[1:01] <marl_scot1> also you need to use the 'normal open' pins on the switches
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[1:01] <godzirra> Okay.
[1:02] <marl_scot1> im jsut waiting for this image to uplaod
[1:02] <godzirra> taking a picture of mine too
[1:02] <godzirra> to show you what I'm trying
[1:03] <marl_scot1> http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa445/marl_scot/IMG_20130310_235935_zpsf8474c35.jpg
[1:03] <godzirra> okay
[1:04] <godzirra> thats how I think I have it seup
[1:04] <godzirra> setup
[1:04] <godzirra> but its still not working. Waiting on my picture ot upload
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[1:05] <marl_scot1> with that wiring, you should see +v on pin 7 untill you press the switch, then you will see 0v
[1:05] <godzirra> Let me test with a meter.
[1:06] <marl_scot1> which is what that script is expecting (i think from the looks of the bread board)
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[1:07] <godzirra> I'm seeing 0.16v until I hit the button
[1:08] <godzirra> http://imgur.com/ErxRGhz
[1:08] <marl_scot1> and then you see what?
[1:08] <godzirra> http://i.imgur.com/ErxRGhz.jpg
[1:08] <godzirra> Then I see 0v
[1:08] <godzirra> Sorry, its not a great picture.
[1:09] <marl_scot1> ok, take out the pin 8 cable
[1:09] <godzirra> okay? Completely?
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[1:10] <marl_scot1> yup
[1:10] <marl_scot1> give me 2 secondas
[1:10] <godzirra> sure
[1:10] <godzirra> Thanks for your help, btw.
[1:10] <godzirra> Although I'm going to have to leave in 10 minutes to go to my pop's birthday dinner.
[1:11] <marl_scot1> ok
[1:12] <marl_scot1> so now you have a cable from pin 1 to the +v rail on the bread board?
[1:12] <godzirra> I do
[1:12] <godzirra> But I do not have a cable from the Pi to the negative rail.
[1:12] <marl_scot1> ok, and a 10k resistor from the +v rail at the bottom of the breadboard?
[1:12] <godzirra> Correct.
[1:13] <marl_scot1> ok, at the other end of the resistor, you have a wire going to the NO pin of the jotstick button
[1:13] <marl_scot1> and a wire going to pin 7
[1:13] <godzirra> Yes
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[1:13] <marl_scot1> (i take it the joystick button has 3 terminals?)
[1:14] <godzirra> Yup
[1:14] <godzirra> I tested continuity to verify I was on the NO
[1:14] <marl_scot1> ok, from the common side of your jotsick, take its wire to the 0v rail on the breadboard
[1:14] <godzirra> Normal open should not have continuity until its pushed, right?
[1:14] <godzirra> Let me double check I've got that right
[1:14] <marl_scot1> correct
[1:15] <marl_scot1> (remember and test continutity when the button is discontected!)
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[1:15] <godzirra> okay, I've got that working.
[1:15] <godzirra> From the common side to - instead of pin 8. One sec
[1:15] <godzirra> Oh
[1:15] <godzirra> its already there.
[1:15] <marl_scot1> ok and a cable from the 0v rail on the breadboard to pin 6
[1:15] <godzirra> Okay.
[1:16] <godzirra> done
[1:16] <marl_scot1> so when the button is not pushed you should see 3.3v on pin 7
[1:16] <godzirra> let me double check
[1:16] <marl_scot1> and when the button is pressed you should see 0v on pin 7
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[1:17] <godzirra> Done.
[1:17] <godzirra> Working as expected.
[1:17] <marl_scot1> ok, getting the correct values at pin 7?
[1:17] <marl_scot1> ok
[1:17] <godzirra> Well, I'm not seeing 3.3v
[1:17] <godzirra> But I am seeing poewr
[1:17] <marl_scot1> what are you getting?
[1:17] <godzirra> and I see it drop to 0
[1:17] <godzirra> If I'm using ACv, I see .17 or so.
[1:17] <marl_scot1> should be dc voltage
[1:18] <marl_scot1> there is no ac voltage on the pi
[1:18] <godzirra> If I test with dc voltage, it just jumps around like crazy.
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[1:18] <marl_scot1> and you should be testing witht eh meter black on the power connector shield , and the red on pin 7
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[1:19] <marl_scot1> if its jumping, try and hold the probes steady and firmly against the points
[1:19] <godzirra> I have a cheap meter, I don't have a poewr connector shield.
[1:19] <godzirra> Oh, I know when its jumping becuae I'm moving.
[1:19] <godzirra> this is jumping because there's no DC.
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[1:19] <marl_scot1> noramlly seeing it jump like that when you are not pressing the button indicates you are not getting a good connection.
[1:20] <godzirra> this is jumping from 0 to -190mV
[1:20] <marl_scot1> ok, try testing between 0v and each side of the reisistor
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[1:21] <marl_scot1> test for dc, and 0v as the shield around the power connector
[1:21] <godzirra> I'm not sure what you mean by 0v asthe shield around the power connector?
[1:21] <godzirra> Oh
[1:21] <godzirra> duh
[1:21] <godzirra> nevermid
[1:21] <godzirra> nevermind
[1:22] <marl_scot1> on the pi, where your power supply is connected to it (very top right hand corner in your pic)
[1:22] <godzirra> 3.3v there
[1:22] <godzirra> Yeah, I got it :)
[1:22] <marl_scot1> ok, what about o each side of the joystick?
[1:22] <marl_scot1> s/o/on/
[1:23] <godzirra> joystick jumps around until I hit the button
[1:23] <godzirra> then it drops to 0
[1:24] <marl_scot1> so black to power shield, red to one side of the button and again for black to shield and red to other pin on button
[1:24] <godzirra> k
[1:24] <marl_scot1> one side should be 0v, the other should be 3.3v
[1:24] <marl_scot1> without the button pressed
[1:25] <godzirra> 9.2mv
[1:25] <godzirra> on one side
[1:25] <godzirra> and on the other it jumps randomly
[1:25] <marl_scot1> ok, something is wrong betweent he breadboard and your button
[1:25] <marl_scot1> try unplugging the connectors from the button and testing each one relative to the power shield
[1:25] <godzirra> Hrm
[1:25] <godzirra> I may have the wrong resistor
[1:25] <godzirra> one side of my resistor is 3.3v
[1:26] <godzirra> the other side is 3mv
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[1:26] <marl_scot1> ah ok
[1:26] <godzirra> brown black orange
[1:26] <godzirra> should be right
[1:26] <godzirra> Which is what I've got
[1:26] <marl_scot1> give me a sec to test my end
[1:26] <godzirra> I'm going to have to run to dinner. :/
[1:26] <godzirra> Post what you find, and I'll read it when I get back. Are you on late?
[1:27] <godzirra> I'll probably be home in ~2-3 hours.
[1:27] <marl_scot1> im just about to hit the sack, its 00:30 here
[1:27] <godzirra> Ah, okay.
[1:27] <godzirra> Well post what you find, and I'll catch you tomorrow then. :)
[1:27] <marl_scot1> when you back on tomrowow?
[1:27] <godzirra> Probably 4:30ish PST.
[1:27] <marl_scot1> whats the time n ow?
[1:27] <godzirra> Which would make it 9:30ish your time?
[1:27] <godzirra> 5:30
[1:27] <godzirra> pm
[1:27] <marl_scot1> give me a shout, i i dont respond just wait half an hour and try again
[1:28] <godzirra> Sounds good.
[1:28] <godzirra> Thanks for your help. :)
[1:28] <marl_scot1> i tend to leave irc running on one moniotor, but it gets cover with stuff normally
[1:28] * godzirra is now known as zirra-away
[1:28] <zirra-away> I'm ssh'd into my linux box.
[1:28] <zirra-away> So I'm always on
[1:28] <zirra-away> so feel free to leave me a message.
[1:28] <marl_scot1> i will see if i have a 10k here and get the voltages for you
[1:28] <zirra-away> Sweet. Thanks. I'll check back when I get home.
[1:28] * zirra-away waves.
[1:28] <marl_scot1> im always coonnected, just not always watching!
[1:29] <netw1z> going for the xprize with the mighty raspberry pi
[1:30] <des2> whose chips are only speced for a commercial temperature range not space.
[1:30] <marl_scot1> zirra-away, godzirra, voltage both sides of a 10k resistor connected to pin 1 is 3.3v
[1:30] <marl_scot1> so it is definatly a cable problem between the breadboard and the button
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[2:25] <steve_rox> allways fun
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[4:35] <SwK> am i missing something or is the 5v rail on P1 the same 5V rail as TP1 just after the input polyfuse (F3) ?
[4:35] <SwK> looking at http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Raspberry-Pi-Schematics-R1.0.pdf
[4:36] <Firehopper> swk prolly
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[4:50] <SwK> so other than lack of protection from F3 is there another reason not to pump regulated 5v in via the GPIO header
[4:50] <SwK> yes I would add in my own protection before hand
[4:51] <Firehopper> no reason that I know of.
[4:52] <Firehopper> People power the pi via a usb hub too..
[4:52] <Firehopper> I know my 2.0 pi can be powered this way
[4:55] <piney> SwK, only other reason i can think of are the wire traces could be too small. but that doesn't stop me from powering it that way
[4:56] <piney> i think they say 30ma on those pins. not sure if power or ground is the limitation either
[4:57] <SwK> 30ma is about all you can pull outta the GPIOs connected to the BMC part then you start blowing junctions in it
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[4:59] <SwK> piney have you measured powered load?
[4:59] <piney> I know that, but think i read about the same limitation for the power pins. (5v, i know 3v3 is low)
[4:59] <SwK> err power load heh
[4:59] <SwK> have you see the size of the 3v3 regularer?
[4:59] <piney> no I haven't. don't know if i would trust my $1.99 multi meter for an accurate reading there :)
[5:00] <piney> yea, very tiny
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[5:00] <SwK> and theres just copper for a heatsink on it
[5:01] <SwK> so i would imaging loading up the 3v3 rail there would probably cause some issues w/ out something to help dump the heat
[5:01] <piney> i have an lm317 on a breadboard for external 3v3 stuff
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[5:02] <piney> no heatsink on that, but drawing ~250ma max and feeding it 5v in
[5:03] <piney> perfect place for a linear power supply there.
[5:03] <SwK> yeah
[5:05] <piney> one thing i did think of, powering the pi from the gpio pins
[5:06] <SwK> I was thinking of maybe putting something like a TO220 packaged LDO regulator on a plate with a power controller (something like those outboard switches everyone is doing)
[5:07] <piney> if i did have a good bit of devices drawing current from the breadboard, and the power supply im using is powered off or fails while a powered hub was backfeeding. or a micro usb cable was plugged in powering it.
[5:07] <SwK> that way I can power it up from button press (or maybe something like an ATtiny) then have it power off on 'shutdown -h'
[5:08] <piney> i might add a mosfet to switch the power on the pi making sure the breadboard has power febore turning on that line
[5:08] <piney> before*
[5:09] <SwK> I
[5:09] <SwK> i'm thinking along the lines of oh idk 6vdc input via rechargeable battery pack
[5:10] <piney> yea, that sounds interesting.
[5:10] <piney> an attiny could do the shutdown too with a pin to the pi
[5:10] <SwK> yeah
[5:10] <piney> or just even a momentary switch
[5:10] <SwK> i was thinking momentary heh
[5:11] <SwK> hit the switch to power it up
[5:11] <piney> i have a lantronix xport that i need to learn how to control the gpio pins on. i want one to reboot the pi using the reset switch header
[5:11] <SwK> thats the other thing I want to be able to do also
[5:12] <Wired203> momentary to gpio to turn on and off, I'm interested =P
[5:12] <SwK> well I'm working on a phone lol
[5:12] <Wired203> like do a sudo halt on keypress
[5:12] <piney> tried controling the xport's gpio pins using udp, and i get wrong responses back from the xport. taking a break and going to get back to that
[5:12] <Wired203> would be perfect for my barcade once I get it going
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[5:12] <piney> exactly Wired203
[5:13] <piney> using an interrupt on a gpio on the pi to do the 'sudo shutdown now' command
[5:13] <piney> or whatever command
[5:13] <SwK> think old school motorola flip phone
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[5:14] <piney> i'm very slowly making a weather station
[5:14] <SwK> piney: the signal on the GPIO pin is fine to do the 'sudo shutdown now' but I want to do like 'halt -p'
[5:15] <piney> i don't know the different power down states that well. are they different?
[5:15] <Wired203> sudo halt works well
[5:15] <SwK> i've been working on a keypad and LCD plate, and i've got plenty of real estate left over for V reg and power control
[5:16] <Wired203> heh I had to do shutdown -r now on one of our linux servers at work today, I was like what a HUGE pi
[5:16] <piney> that's on my todo list
[5:16] <SwK> halt -p on a full PC (or mac) actually triggers the PSU to shut down (like holding down the power button)
[5:16] <piney> ahh, makes sense
[5:16] <SwK> piney: the LCD/Keypad is on your todo list?
[5:16] <piney> yes
[5:17] <SwK> done
[5:17] <Wired203> my todo list is getting mame running smooth lol
[5:17] <piney> 16x2 or 20x4 lcd on i2c
[5:17] <SwK> boards are at osh park now
[5:17] <piney> and like a 5 or 6 button keypad
[5:17] <piney> up down left right, maybe two others
[5:17] <piney> have a link?
[5:18] <SwK> I did 4x3 matrix (ie: dtmf), D Pad w/ 'enter' and 'cancel' buttons, w/ 16x2 LCD ???. see switchpi.org
[5:18] <SwK> if you want just an LCD with a DPad and enter button, adafruit has a cheap kit with all the bits for like $20
[5:19] <piney> cool, i was looking at this: http://dx.com/p/lcd-keypad-shield-for-arduino-duemilanove-lcd-1602-118059
[5:19] <SwK> once I get my PCBs back from osh park, I can put it all together heh
[5:19] <SwK> piney: http://www.adafruit.com/products/1110
[5:19] <piney> pcb designing is still over my head. looked in to it a little
[5:20] <piney> going to do the laser printer method first i think
[5:20] <SwK> osh park is like cheap
[5:20] <piney> yea, about the same thing
[5:20] <SwK> I did 3 board about 1/2 the size of the pi for $15
[5:20] <SwK> piney: that one on adafruit is RGB back lit
[5:20] <piney> yea they are. but for just the first few, printing them your self can be nice
[5:21] <piney> ahh, the rgb is a nice feature
[5:21] <SwK> I've screwed enough up lol
[5:21] <piney> going in my basement on a wall though, so not needed. i like cheap too :)
[5:21] <SwK> back when radio shack used to sell the "make your own PCB kits" lol
[5:22] <Wired203> I had that
[5:22] <piney> breadboard works well for me atm :)
[5:22] <Wired203> came with the plates, acid, and the pen to mark your lines
[5:22] <SwK> Wired203: complete with the special "resist pen" that looked like a sharpie lol
[5:22] <Wired203> before radio shack became a phone/cheap junk store
[5:22] <Wired203> was exactly like a sharpie lol
[5:23] <piney> when they had quality products on the shelf
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[5:23] <SwK> Wired203: ikr??? they should change the name to "Cellphone Shack" and be done with it???. altho, you know they starting to stock a ton of arduinos and related stuff now
[5:23] <Wired203> hell when they had transistors, resistors, and any parts you wanted in stock
[5:23] <piney> <-- worked @ radioshack in the late 90's
[5:23] <piney> they are the reason i hate retail. they tought me that :)
[5:23] <Wired203> ooo arduinos that's worth looking at
[5:23] <SwK> <--- used to have a stupid radioshack budget in the late 80s lol
[5:24] <piney> i grew up using a trs-80 too
[5:24] <Wired203> in the 80s it wasn't stupid lol
[5:24] <SwK> Wired203: i was there the other night looking for a small speaker (and I failed) but they actually had ATmeg Minty kits in stock
[5:24] <Wired203> now you need a digikey or element 14 budget lol
[5:25] <piney> they are getting in to arduinos
[5:25] <SwK> Wired203: lolol shhh dont let my GF see what I've spent at Newark, Adafruit and Digikey lately lol
[5:25] <Wired203> frys electronics is more radio shack than radio shack
[5:25] <SwK> the closest fry's is 7 hours away from me
[5:25] <Wired203> lol my wife was out of town this weekend, I had to clean up the pc mess before she got home
[5:26] <piney> i was there last month though, needed two cr123a batteries. i know they are expensive, but $20 for two no-name batteries is just robbery.
[5:26] <Wired203> rebuilding my HTPC it's been shelved for a while
[5:26] <Wired203> blech batterys, cables, etc is what ebay is for
[5:26] <piney> i buy them in bulk for $.83 each for name brand ones, just didnt have any with me atm
[5:26] <Wired203> shipped from china to california and cheap as dirt
[5:26] <SwK> Wired203: i've been doing some extra projects to fund a small 60W laser cutter now I have the money, but she says I cant have it until we move to a bigger house??? (we should be listing this one on the market by friday lol)
[5:27] <Wired203> then shipping from ca is 3-4 days to the house
[5:27] <Wired203> SwK I couldn't build an arcade till we had a bigger house
[5:27] <Wired203> now I'm planning on building 3 starting with a pi bartop lol
[5:28] <SwK> Wired203: I told her if we moved it had to have atleast 10 acres, and either an existing 2000 sq ft+ shop or room for me to build one immediately
[5:28] <Wired203> which I'm building with my change jar LOL
[5:28] <Wired203> I wanted at least 2 acres but settled for 1/2 an acre
[5:28] <SwK> heh
[5:28] <piney> bigger house = more taxes. i live in NJ and have a good bit of property, taxes are enough as is :(
[5:28] <SwK> what exit?
[5:28] <Wired203> but I have a 1500 square foot basement, 1/2 man cave, 1/2 storage and shop
[5:29] <piney> 88
[5:29] <piney> 50 acres here
[5:29] <SwK> piney: i used to live up in montclair
[5:29] <Wired203> AZ taxes aren't bad and house prices aren't too bad either
[5:29] <Wired203> I used to live in CT =P
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[5:29] <SwK> I live in Mississippi now...
[5:29] <piney> SwK, nice, i did a good bit of commuting up there two summers ago to do the camera system in a school in montclair
[5:29] <Wired203> you had to move to the state with PP in the name
[5:30] <SwK> we've found a good candidate, 13 acres, 2500 sqft house, 2500 sq ft existing shop for under 175K
[5:30] <Wired203> gotta be country
[5:30] <SwK> Wired203: outter edge of the memphis suburbs
[5:30] <piney> 1800 sq ft house here including the basement i think, would love me a pole barn. been thinking about that more and more
[5:31] <SwK> abou 45 minutes from MEM
[5:31] <Wired203> my house is in town, well we live in a smaller area lol but 2300sq house not including the basement 1/2 acre and we paid 140k and didn't even fight the price. I just asked the guy to pay closing
[5:31] <SwK> 3 minutes off the freeway, in the county so no city property taxes heh
[5:31] <Wired203> this summer I may be building the shed
[5:32] <Wired203> I'm thinking a 10x10 wood kit for 800 from home depot shouldn't be too bad
[5:32] <piney> wish i built the garage / barn before the house. would of helped me a lot
[5:32] <Wired203> use the nail gun, glue, couple of screws for added measure
[5:32] <SwK> Wired203: yeah thats what I'm talking about there??? we looked at some 2 to 3 acre places but the neighbors were just to close??? long narrow lots
[5:33] <piney> yea, moving to the country is all about the lack of neighbors
[5:33] <Wired203> empty lot on the side of us, we wanted to buy it but realtors said owner wasn't selling as he split the lots, guy comes by 3 months ago after my wife lost her job and says he would of sold it to us doh
[5:33] <SwK> doh
[5:33] <Wired203> and was asking us if we wanted to buy it for 20k and he would carry it double doh
[5:34] <Wired203> ahh well stuff happens and we had already paid a arm and a leg to have the fence put up
[5:35] <SwK> oh man
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[5:35] <Wired203> I need more sd cards like 2-3 4 gigger or so ones lol
[5:35] <SwK> Wired203: $5 off amazon lol
[5:35] <Wired203> so I can play with openelec etc and leave the 16gb for the bartop
[5:36] <SwK> I spent the extra bucks to buy a pile of those adafruit micro sd adapers
[5:36] <piney> there is a lot that a friend of mine owns, 11 acres. ive been thinking about that too. the thing is the regulations say no house on the land. i was thinking a pole barn to park my toys in / man cave. i hate dealing with that bureaucracy tho
[5:36] <Wired203> could always wait for black friday when they are practically giving them away
[5:36] <SwK> then found some vendor on amazon selling the 4G cards for like $4 or $4.5 heh
[5:36] <SwK> piney no house? what is ag land?
[5:37] <piney> pinelands protected
[5:37] <SwK> yeah
[5:37] <piney> that area says one house per 35 acres
[5:37] <SwK> bury iso container they'll never notice it
[5:37] <Wired203> buy the lot, if fireworks are legal then poof a fire clears it out, turn it into a rc airplane park
[5:38] <SwK> heh
[5:38] <piney> my friend flys fpv, he would help me light the fire lol
[5:39] <piney> state forest did a controlled burn on the property next door to my house today, was quite smoky
[5:39] <Wired203> always have an alabi, have someone that looks semi like you go to the movies, buy a ticket with cash, make sure you have already seen said movie and the ticket and the crappy vid camera shots and tada instant alibi
[5:39] <piney> lol
[5:39] <Wired203> oh and have them wear a hat of course lol
[5:40] <Wired203> plausable deniability LOL
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[5:40] <Wired203> I have a truley evil side I beat back
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[5:40] <piney> i see
[5:40] <Wired203> erm most of the time lol
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[5:41] <Wired203> last new years I got a ton of fireworks including the non legal ones for my area, figured I would be pissing off the neighbors and set off a ton. One neighbor was on their back porch and applauded it lol
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[5:42] <piney> no fireworks are legal here, but next state over sells all fireworks to out of state residents
[5:42] <piney> awsome law
[5:42] <Wired203> PA
[5:42] <piney> i'm a fan of morters
[5:42] <piney> yep
[5:42] <Wired203> but you can't be from PA and buy fireworks
[5:42] <piney> correct
[5:42] <piney> any place else
[5:43] <Wired203> and the people in the surrounding towns don't know where those places are LOL
[5:43] <piney> i saw someone who was out of country buying fireworks
[5:43] <Wired203> just have to sign a waiver stating you have the proper permits
[5:43] <piney> in one of those stores
[5:43] <piney> they do, but cant go in
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[5:43] <piney> easy to find on the internet
[5:44] <ccolorado> Hi there. I have a very slow network. I found once a tweaking to some /etc/ file that took my speeds from 1MB/s to 3MB/s. I cant find this information again ( my SD died and i am reinstalling ). 3MB/s is nicer is there any way to have the regular 10MB/s over ehternet connection ?
[5:44] <Wired203> yeah did a few trips to PA when I lived in CT, trunk full, backseat full, and speeding down a 5 lane highway cop comes hauling up on my rear with lights on, thankfully for the accident on the other side of the highway a few miles down
[5:45] <Wired203> ccolorado I got decent speeds with my ethernet
[5:45] <ccolorado> Wired203: out of the box ?
[5:45] <piney> ccolorado, i doubt the network is the bottleneck. how are you testing the speed?
[5:45] <ccolorado> piney: rsync and samba access
[5:45] <piney> writing to my sd card can be around that speed
[5:46] <Wired203> out of the box with pimame build
[5:46] <ccolorado> piney: i am not writing to the sd
[5:46] <Wired203> I can copy over direct connected ftp about 9 gigs in 45 mins
[5:46] <hyperair> try iperf or netcat or something.
[5:46] <piney> ccolorado, reading from sd card?
[5:47] <Wired203> think he's using xbmc
[5:47] <ccolorado> piney: nope
[5:47] <ccolorado> Wired203: nope
[5:47] <piney> i wget a file to /dev/null to test speed coming in
[5:47] <SwK> lol
[5:47] <hyperair> heh yeah that works.
[5:47] <Wired203> ok then what do you need more speed for?
[5:48] <ccolorado> piney: I am coping files from an external usb HD to a desktop.
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[5:48] <SwK> piney: hows this, where I live its illegal to shoot off fireworks, but they sell them on every other street corner before the 4th and new years
[5:48] <Wired203> ohhhh your the nas guy right?
[5:48] <ccolorado> Wired203: well yeah i am running XBMC, but not on the rpi.
[5:49] <Wired203> I need another card to play with xbmc too
[5:49] <Wired203> I should look at my old cameras and thief their cards lol
[5:49] <SwK> I wonder how well FreeNAS would run on a pi lol
[5:49] <Wired203> don't think freenas ever did arm
[5:49] <piney> ccolorado, i would try to test the drive speed separately, see if that seems good, not too sure here whats up
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[5:50] <Wired203> but I loved my freenas till I tried to upgrade it for more speed and got annoyed and just bought a netgear readynas nv+ kik
[5:50] <Wired203> erm lol
[5:50] <SwK> Wired203: they are based on FreeBSD so I'm going to guess probably not
[5:50] <Wired203> SwK they did a os change a while back but don't remember to what
[5:50] <SwK> Wired203: I <3 my 48TB freenas boxes
[5:50] <SwK> Wired203: FreeNAS is still FreeBSD based
[5:51] <Wired203> that was around the time I stopped messing with it, had a 1.5tb raid 5
[5:51] <ccolorado> SwK: 48, thats impressive
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[5:51] <Wired203> then moved that to the readynas which I now have a 4tb raid 5 and am going to migrate it to their raidx setup so I can add another 2tb drive when I need it
[5:51] <SwK> i have a pair of Chenbro 31616's w/ 16 TB 6G SATAs, and 4 SSDs running raidZ3
[5:52] <Wired203> SwK has a lot of porn
[5:52] <SwK> err 16 3TB 6G/s SATAs
[5:52] <SwK> Wired203: I host a pile of VPSs heh
[5:52] <Wired203> VPS?
[5:52] <piney> virtual private server
[5:52] <Wired203> ahh
[5:52] <SwK> Wired203: https://billing.tollfreegateway.com/portal/cart.php?gid=5
[5:53] <Wired203> vmware or the microsoft one?
[5:53] <piney> xen?
[5:53] <SwK> neither lol Proxmox VE (so OpenVZ or KVM)
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[5:54] <Wired203> ohhhh I see you sell the pron servers lol
[5:54] <SwK> thinking about adding M$'s Hypber-V for people that want it
[5:54] <piney> I have 4 xen VPS's, in 3 data centers. the're addictive :)
[5:54] <SwK> Wired203: nah I do VoIP
[5:54] <Wired203> hrmmm 20 bucks could make a nice proxy there
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[5:54] <piney> SwK, asterisk?
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[5:55] <SwK> piney: not in years??? I'm one one the developers of FreeSWITCH
[5:55] <piney> ahh, cool
[5:55] <Wired203> I liked hyper-v
[5:55] <piney> think i can do 300 baud over VoIP ?
[5:55] <SwK> piney: yeah thats just FSK
[5:55] <SwK> just dont try to use a compressed codec like GSM
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[5:55] <piney> i need to set that ip
[5:55] <SwK> it'll mangle the tones
[5:56] <piney> no, just hayes stuff over 300
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[5:56] <Wired203> hts11=0
[5:56] <Wired203> ath0
[5:56] <piney> talking to alarm panels
[5:56] <SwK> yeah people do that all the time for things like credit card terminals @ like 2400bps
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[5:56] <SwK> altho slower is better
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[5:57] <piney> thats what i need
[5:57] <SwK> piney: is it straight Bell 103A?
[5:57] <piney> no clue
[5:57] <piney> i can find out, will take a bit
[5:57] <SwK> if its the FSK stuff would be interesting to try
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[5:58] <SwK> you use a standard modem?
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[5:58] <piney> i am using a hayes smartmodem 1200 to do it, win modems can't talk what i need
[5:58] <Wired203> man walking dead was on like a hour early tongiht
[5:58] <SwK> oh crap
[5:58] <piney> i have a 9600 that works too
[5:58] <SwK> Wired203: no spoilers please
[5:58] <Wired203> I had a hayes smartmodem 1200 and 2400 lol
[5:58] <des2> hayes smartmodem 1200 - what is this 1980 ?
[5:58] <Wired203> here comes the spoiler, it's a new episode
[5:58] <SwK> lol
[5:58] <Wired203> more like 1985 or so
[5:58] <SwK> i used to have a pile of USRs lol
[5:58] <piney> Wired203, if you want to sell them, market 'ademco honeywell' on ebay with them
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[5:59] <Wired203> haven't had them in years
[5:59] <piney> mine's 1983 so yea
[5:59] <SwK> piney: you happen to have an ATA?
[5:59] <des2> And is it hooked up to a KSR33 ?
[5:59] <fr0g911> hey all
[5:59] <piney> no, but i'll buy one
[5:59] <piney> i have a line that costs $15 a month at least i want to port to voip
[6:00] <piney> what would you buy?
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[6:00] <SwK> no guarentee it'll work but I would try a HT286 they are about $30
[6:00] <SwK> on amazon
[6:01] <fr0g911> so i got the poe working powers the cam using a cat5 line ;)
[6:01] <SwK> piney http://www.amazon.com/GrandStream-HT286-Analog-Telephone-Adapter/dp/B000IDUH52/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1362978017&sr=8-6&keywords=1+port+ATA+SIP
[6:01] <piney> i have fairly low jitter on my dsl, so i think my line will work
[6:01] <SwK> I use them for faxing but theres a standard for that
[6:01] <Wired203> faxes gah what a ludicrous technology that needs to just die already
[6:02] <piney> yea, fax would be a plus.
[6:02] <Wired203> faxing is hippa compliant but standard e-mails aren't
[6:02] <piney> SwK, that has an ethernet jack and an rj11 phone hack?
[6:02] <piney> jack*
[6:02] <SwK> piney: yes, talks SIP??? will work with asterisk or FreeSWITCH and such
[6:03] <Wired203> heh to get around hippa compliancy I used to make agencys e-mail addresses on our network they could use, was encrypted and the e-mail was always considered internal LOL
[6:03] <piney> Wired203, i offer email encryption to my customers, but not a single one uses it
[6:03] <piney> too much to set up
[6:03] <Wired203> the encryption is a pita
[6:03] <piney> yea
[6:03] <Wired203> hence just making a user account
[6:03] <SwK> piney: we do VoIP encryption for our customers and most use it cause its transparent to them
[6:03] <Wired203> I got kudos for that one
[6:03] <piney> SwK, nice
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[6:04] <piney> SwK, what voip subscriber would you recommend?
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[6:04] <SwK> piney: FlowRoute.com or VoiceNetwork.ca both are good and reliable
[6:04] <SwK> and cheap
[6:05] <piney> cool. you helped a lot. thanks
[6:06] <Wired203> man this weekend sucked for on call
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[6:06] <SwK> piney: stick with G711u when trying those alarms??? also either of those 2 companies you can start with like $20 (or less) and try them out w/out committing to anything
[6:06] <Wired203> 10 hours of pita and not allowed to have a drink sigh
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[6:07] <piney> I think i'll start out with a new phone number. then port mine over after i have it working the way i want
[6:07] <Wired203> e-mail encryption would work if there was a standard for it
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[6:08] <Wired203> but there's over 100 different programs out there
[6:08] <piney> the great thing about standards is everyone has their own
[6:08] <Wired203> that's the problem
[6:09] <Wired203> hrmm back to reading about openelec
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[6:09] <Wired203> it looks quite promising over my custom debian/xbmc build I wasted all weekend on lol
[6:11] <piney> lol
[6:11] <piney> i use my pi headless
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[6:14] <Wired203> my pi is for mame
[6:14] <Wired203> maybe my next pi will be for xbmc
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[6:14] <ParkerR> Nice. I use my Pi as an ultraportable laptop
[6:15] <Wired203> I have a netbook for that =P
[6:15] <Wired203> it's the couch arm pc always there unless I need to take it with me
[6:15] <ParkerR> Wired203, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0hc_z1L03Q But its better because I built it :P
[6:16] <Wired203> seen those before but those lapdocks aren't all that cheap
[6:17] <ParkerR> Wired203, Well I found mine for 40 bucks
[6:17] <ParkerR> Original MSRP definitely wasn;t cheap
[6:17] <Wired203> then that's a steal I think your the forum posts I read about cause 40 bucks rings a bell but when I looked them up they are no where near that now lol
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[6:18] <ParkerR> Wired203, Yeah it sold out fast http://www.bensoutlet.com/products/motorola-lapdock-atrix-4g
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[6:19] <Wired203> hrmmm let me know if they get those again
[6:19] <Wired203> would be a great setup to pi dev on
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[6:21] <DropBear> trying to compile the 3.6.11 kernel and getting "drivers/thermal/bcm2835-thermal.c:21:23: fatal error: mach/vcio.h: No such file or directory"
[6:21] <Wired203> I was also thinking that I want to do a custom pi setup for my mancave to be a home made juke box
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[6:22] <Wired203> I was thinking adhoc wireless, tablet remote control as well as a touch screen. would definatly help man cave it
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[6:23] <ParkerR> DropBear, Are you trying to compile to have a slimmer kernel or just because you want 3.6?
[6:23] <DropBear> raspbian is at 3.6.11 and there is no kernel headers, was compiling it
[6:25] <Wired203> I think hexxeh has the github repo to compile the kernel
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[6:29] <DropBear> hexxeh has the update scripts which is a pre-compiled kernel. I need the headers though
[6:29] <DropBear> i'm using https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux for the kernel
[6:30] <DropBear> which looks like hexxeh contribs to
[6:30] <Wired203> yeah I went looking for the headers so I could compile a usb wifi driver and did some reading about getting them etc, they really should be readily available
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[6:32] <Wired203> that's basically a step by step
[6:32] <DropBear> yea, especially when make-kpkg creates .deb files for installing when the kernel is built.
[6:33] <DropBear> wish there was a "stable" and "dev" builds. It's a moving target from what raspbian pushes to what is in git
[6:33] <DropBear> builds/branch
[6:33] <Wired203> I gave up on that adapter, then I compiled it on my htpc rebuild which I used debian and found out while the wireless tested well on my win7 boxes and worked on debian I never tried to stream a real amount of data through it which makes it choke lol
[6:34] <Wired203> yeah and I wish they had previous builds from the download page as well
[6:36] <Wired203> verified the choking on files even on win7 oops, good thing it was only 5 bucks shipped lol
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[6:54] <fr0g911> i got a really weird q to ask
[6:54] <fr0g911> lol
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[6:55] <fr0g911> running motion on the pi and i can see the video usings its stream but the video is like in ascii
[6:55] <fr0g911> ipcam
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[6:59] <piney> hey fr0g911
[7:00] <piney> i read back and saw you were looking for me earlier, did you get that issue resolved at all?
[7:02] <fr0g911> yeah buddy i called the company lol
[7:03] <piney> cool
[7:03] <fr0g911> he said what i was doing was currect
[7:03] <fr0g911> well what you told me
[7:03] <piney> cool, bad camera?
[7:03] <fr0g911> and it still wasnt working he took me threw it all
[7:03] <fr0g911> and turns out it was my rj45
[7:03] <piney> ahh
[7:03] <fr0g911> i musta not crimped it good
[7:04] <piney> they take experience
[7:04] <piney> and i still mess up a little less than 10%
[7:04] <fr0g911> i've been doing it for awhile too lol
[7:04] <piney> was it an affordable camera?
[7:04] <fr0g911> oh it didnt burn the cam
[7:04] <piney> sounds like it has good customer support
[7:04] <fr0g911> ohh they dont sell the cam
[7:05] <fr0g911> they just sold me the poe
[7:05] <piney> ahh
[7:05] <piney> good support anyway
[7:05] <fr0g911> there pretty good said hes gonna try and send me the inverter box asap
[7:05] <fr0g911> yea really good support
[7:05] <fr0g911> pretty happy it worked
[7:05] <piney> cool.
[7:06] <fr0g911> thanks for your help btw
[7:06] <fr0g911> this is gonna save me alot of pain
[7:06] <piney> i'm looking at this camera, has nice features for the price, i'll see when i order it
[7:06] <piney> http://dx.com/p/ip-700mw-1mp-1-4-cmos-outdoor-waterproof-wireless-ip-network-camera-w-48-led-ir-night-vision-grey-183283
[7:06] <piney> no problem
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[7:06] <fr0g911> aww
[7:07] <piney> another trick, cat6 is 23 gauge compared to 24 gauge. helps with voltage drop
[7:07] <piney> when it's that small every bit counts lol
[7:07] <fr0g911> true that
[7:07] <fr0g911> i use foscam
[7:08] <fr0g911> not big into the big ass cams like that
[7:08] <fr0g911> plus my customers like to beable to move the cams ptz
[7:08] <fr0g911> from iphone and android
[7:08] <piney> ptz is nice
[7:08] <fr0g911> and it cost the same as that big boy
[7:08] <piney> i have done some pelco ptz stuff a few years ago, was fun
[7:09] <fr0g911> yea the cams you can controll fully in mirc sockets
[7:09] <fr0g911> im gonna be working on that soon
[7:09] <piney> made a camera roll on an I beam over a weigh scale at a scrap yard (recycle center) so they could view what was in the truck better
[7:09] <fr0g911> nice
[7:09] <fr0g911> good thinking
[7:10] <piney> customers idea, was sweet tho
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[7:11] <piney> that foscam stuff seems to be in my budget for a lot of it. not bad
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[7:11] <piney> some companies think their cameras are made of gold or something
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[7:14] <fr0g911> lol
[7:14] <fr0g911> there very cheap
[7:14] <fr0g911> but work well
[7:14] <fr0g911> and run forever
[7:15] <piney> i like that some of their fixed lens cameras can have the lens changed
[7:15] <fr0g911> im so close to having the pi record like a dvr system for the foscam right now
[7:15] <fr0g911> but it is recording the stream in ancii
[7:15] <piney> i have a nuuo dvr, im gonna see if foscam works
[7:16] <piney> nvr*
[7:16] <piney> nope, not on their list
[7:16] <piney> they want one of those golden cameras
[7:17] <piney> thats why its still new in box
[7:17] <fr0g911> hahaha
[7:17] <fr0g911> theres work arounds
[7:17] <piney> emulate one that is supported?
[7:18] <piney> i never thought of it, but can see it working
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[7:21] <fr0g911> yea
[7:21] <fr0g911> or use vlc to feed it right to the dvr
[7:21] <fr0g911> does it record network cams
[7:22] <fr0g911> or have to be wired in
[7:22] <piney> network cams, but it has a vendor / camera list of supported cams
[7:23] <piney> would have to find something compatible which should be fairly easy
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[7:26] <fr0g911> yea
[7:26] <fr0g911> good thing about foscam
[7:27] <fr0g911> you can use alot of other cams from the vendors
[7:27] <fr0g911> like i used to have a list of ones that you could pick from the list and it would still work
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[7:30] <fr0g911> omg
[7:30] <fr0g911> i got it
[7:30] <fr0g911> !@#!@
[7:30] <fr0g911> well alomost
[7:30] <fr0g911> the cam started to record using the pi
[7:31] <fr0g911> and then crashed
[7:32] <fr0g911> hmm
[7:32] <fr0g911> only when i view the stream its recording it crashs
[7:41] <fr0g911> got it:)
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[7:41] <fr0g911> rasp ipcam dvr here we go
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[7:58] <fr0g911> goodnight
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[9:01] <cityLights> morning
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[9:02] <cityLights> I am seeking advice to attach a small speaker
[9:02] <cityLights> do I need an amp?
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[9:09] <clonak> directly off the Pi, for music etc ?
[9:09] <clonak> I would imagine so,
[9:10] <mjr> probably yes though I wouldn't discount the possibility of getting audible things out of a small speaker without
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[9:42] <cityLights> hmm, the forums suggest the pi can't drive a speaker, does anyone know the spec for it?
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[9:45] <marl_scot1> cityLights, there is very little power output via the jack, you can use a speeker attached directly to it, but you wont have much volume
[9:45] <marl_scot1> never tried it, so not sure if you would be able to really hear anything much from it
[9:45] <marl_scot1> a lot easier to use a small amp kit
[9:46] <cityLights> I think there are ceramic speakers that can make more nosie for less power
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[9:47] <marl_scot1> unless you are in a very quite envirmoment, i would look at the amp
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[9:47] <cityLights> ok
[9:47] <marl_scot1> sorry environment
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[9:48] <marl_scot1> if you have a hunt around, you should be able to find a mini stereo amp kit that will run from 5v, and then piggy back this off your 5v supply to the pi
[9:49] <marl_scot1> just remember that it will need to piggy back off the supply rather than the pi for its power, as i do not think the pi would be able to supply enough power to run an amp via its onboard conectors
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[9:53] <ryanteck> cityLights what type of speaker?
[9:54] <ryanteck> A set of normal computer ones / ones in a monitor / tv it should do fine
[9:54] <ryanteck> as they normally provide a bit of power
[9:54] <ryanteck> headphones should be fine aswell
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[10:13] <cityLights> ryanteck, I ment ceramic based speares
[10:13] <cityLights> theny have high impendence
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[10:22] <cityLights> Piezo Speaker
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[10:26] <gordonDrogon> morning pi seeds.
[10:26] <cityLights> hi there
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[10:27] <DDave> O hello!
[10:27] <DDave> Could the pi temperature really be 10C higher because of a plugged in usb stick? o.0
[10:30] <cityLights> what is the spec for the audio output? what is the impedance I should use and how much volts peak to peak?
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[10:33] <gordonDrogon> I would be surprised if that 3.5mm audio output was anything other than something approximating a 1v pp line output - ok for high impedance headphones or an amplified speaker set
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> check the schematic... it's gpio pins coupled via some capacitors and resistors - nothing else.
[10:37] <steve_rox> some joker put a power in jack into audio in and the pi started up , i dont reccomend it tho
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[10:47] <gordonDrogon> it could potentially feed V - diode drops into the 3.3v line on the Pi ..
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[10:47] <gordonDrogon> surprised it would start - would definately not run the usb or ethernet..
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[10:52] <marl_scot1> hey folks, im trying to get bluetooth running on my pi, but i cant find the hcitool to check if its working
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[10:52] <marl_scot1> using raspbian wheezy latest
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[10:54] <marl_scot1> all the stuff i can find online, uses the hcitool, and the only thing i could find in the repo was 'btscanner' and it says its reading the OUI database and then says 'no bluetooth devices available'
[10:55] <marl_scot1> so im not even sure if the bt unit i have is being reconised corectly , although syslog is saying it found it and initalized it
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[11:03] <mike_t> marl_scot1, apt-get install bluez bluez-tools bluez-utils
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[11:06] <marl_scot1> thanks mike_t just trying it now
[11:06] <marl_scot1> lol 97 packages to be installed :(
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[11:18] <RoyK> any idea how I can use the h.264 encoding hardware?
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[11:20] <marl_scot1> RoyK, is that not the codec you need to pay for? (probably wrong, cant remember, and never used it myself)
[11:20] <marl_scot1> check the pi site
[11:21] <RoyK> marl_scot1: it's not there's no driver for it on their site, and IIRC it's not even commercial
[11:21] <mjr> the protection money for h.264 is included in the price. There weren't encoders that took advantage of that last I checked, except for some preliminary test code.
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[11:23] <RoyK> support in avconv would be neat
[11:23] <mjr> there's some test code on the forums if you search for it
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[11:24] <mjr> "somebody should" probably hack together support for gstreamer or some other video framework, yes
[11:24] <adasAFK> is there any reason why a certain pin might be HIGH even though it has not been specifically set as such?
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[11:26] <adasAFK> gpio readall says that the pin is high even though it has not been set. And when i run gpio readall again a second later it show LOW. If i do gpio readall 10 or 15 times in a space of 10 seconds, I get half HIGHs and half LOWS even though the pin has not been set to anything..
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[11:35] <Jck_true> adasAFK: Set as an input?
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> asaru, which pin?
[11:35] <adasAFK> Jck_true: yes. its set as input..
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> asaru, oops - wrong
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> adasAFK, which pin?
[11:36] <adasAFK> gordonDrogon: wiringPi pin 0
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> adasAFK, ah, an input pin with nothing connected will 'float' and sometimes be high, sometimes low.
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> adasAFK, try this: gpio mode 0 up
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> that will set the internal pull-up resistor and it'll stay high all the time - until something external pulls it low. use gpio mode 0 down for the opposite.
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> gpio mode 0 tri <-- turns it off.
[11:38] <adasAFK> gordonDrogon: but the wiringPi pin 0 here is connected to the positive of an led
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> adasAFK, if the pin is still an input, it's still not going to read anything from a reverse biased LED.
[11:38] <adasAFK> and the negative is connected to header pin 9 which is ground on the Rpi
[11:39] <adasAFK> gordonDrogon: ah okay. but how come that is the only pin thats floating? the rest of the pins seem stable on gpio readall output
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> hope it's connected via a resistor...
[11:39] <adasAFK> gordonDrogon: oops no.. should i?
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> adasAFK, you've connected an antennae to the pin - it'll pick up more noise ...
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> adasAFK, YES! You'll potentially burn out the LED and the GPIO pin without a resistor...
[11:40] <adasAFK> oh sory.. ill get one..
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> 330?? is safe.
[11:40] <Jck_true> Don't let that magic smoke get away....
[11:41] <adasAFK> i have one in hand .. but not sure which way to put the resistor.. or any way is okay? forgive my ignorance
[11:41] <Jck_true> Yeah they go both ways
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> yes, unlike diodes they go either way.
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> So what I'd do is connect the long leg of the diode to the GPIO pin, the shorter leg to the resistor and the other end of the resistor to the 0v pin.
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> remember: Long Legs are a Positive Thing.
[11:43] <adasAFK> hah - )
[11:43] <Jck_true> Consider a resistor as a fixed valve - or a tube with a smaller diameter
[11:44] <adasAFK> gordonDrogon: thanks for teh clarifications. thanks Jck_true . ill fix it.. hope is works now
[11:44] <Jck_true> Limits how much "fluid" can go through it
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, the use of the word 'valve' or 'tube' here might not be appropriate with older people like me :)
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> adasAFK, gpio mode 0 out ; gpio write 0 1 ; gpio write 0 0
[11:45] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: I got my IR reciever working this weekend - Your GPIO lib for my display and some linux I2C for my RTC clock :)
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> going back to earlier, a reverse biased diode is actually a good source of noise and is used in electronics noise generators and some random number generators.
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, excellent!
[11:45] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Just need all the software for my alarm clock :)
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, think about daylight savings/ clocks going back/forwards - this past weekend in the americas I think, end of the month in europe...
[11:46] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Out of curiosity - is there any chance for a "pulseIn()" method like on arduino? With the 4th timer etc?
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> spring forwards, fall backwards and all that.
[11:46] <adasAFK> hmm.. that random number generator thing is new for me.. ncie
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, doesn't pulse in use a strobe input?
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, i'll have a look at the arduino lib.
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> adasAFK, got that LED lit up yet?
[11:47] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: "Reads a pulse (either HIGH or LOW) on a pin. For example, if value is HIGH, pulseIn() waits for the pin to go HIGH, starts timing, then waits for the pin to go LOW and stops timing. Returns the length of the pulse in microseconds. Gives up and returns 0 if no pulse starts within a specified time out."
[11:51] <adasAFK> gordonDrogon: not yet.. im trying to light it up by generating an interrupt on wiringPi pin 7. and all this using haskell bindings to your wiringPi lib : ) so some setup to do. Im trying to see if the callback from the C library when an interrupt occurs.. calls the appropriate haskell function
[11:51] <Jck_true> You should test with the GPIO command first - Just to verify everything is wired correctly (And that you didn't blow your pin)
[11:52] <Xeph> when writing to my external hdd (ntfs), maximum write speed is about 3.5M/s. is there an obvious mistake i'd have made? it's plugged to a usb2.0 hub, lsusb tells me the both the hub and the port support 480M
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> yea, start easy :)
[11:52] <Xeph> read speed is about 16M
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, ah right - that'll be easy, but prone to Linux (and the hardware) adding jitter to the timings though.
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> Xeph, I'm told that using the FUSE NTFS driver is slow...
[11:53] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: I figured :( Just wondered what interrupt/timer4 magic you could add
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, from userland, then max. interrupt speed is 66K/sec.
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> right. it's fresh bread and coffee time. back inna bit!
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[11:55] <Jck_true> Guess I'll just use my arduino nano with the distance measure then :)
[11:56] <adasAFK> Jck_true: i did the gpio command but the led glows very dim.. hope its nothing wrong with the pin
[11:57] <Jck_true> adasAFK: But you can turn it on an off?
[11:57] <adasAFK> yea
[11:58] <adasAFK> gpio write 0 1 turns on and gpio write 0 0 turn off
[11:58] <Jck_true> adasAFK: http://led.linear1.org/1led.wiz - Smaller resistor should give you more light - Just make sure you don't pull more than 16mA
[12:00] <Jck_true> adasAFK: This looks equally good - http://ledcalc.com/
[12:00] <Jck_true> adasAFK: Full glow while staying under 16mA is 82Ohm
[12:00] <Xeph> gordonDrogon: that was my guess as it caused most cpu load during file transfer. but sometimes people know these magic options :)
[12:01] <Jck_true> So you could try replacing that 300 Ohm with something smaller
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[12:01] <Jck_true> adasAFK: Anything above 82 Ohms (And lets just say above 100Ohms just to be safe)
[12:02] <adasAFK> if i do a pulldown on an input pin and if i send a HIGH signal to the pin from an external source .. will it go HIGH or will it still be pulled LOW?
[12:03] <adasAFK> or do i simply turn it off using the "tri" mode?
[12:03] <Jck_true> adasAFK: What is your input when it's not "high"
[12:04] <Jck_true> A switch that isn't connected?
[12:04] <adasAFK> Jck_true: the switch is connected to pin 7. Cos i want wiringPi pin 7 to go HIGH when i switch on the pin
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> Xeph, I've never used ntfs myself though -that's just what I've read/seen..
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[12:05] <adasAFK> when not "high" , the input from the switch should be "low" cos no signal passes through the switch right..?
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> adasAFK, don' use 'tri' mode to turn anything off.
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[12:06] <gordonDrogon> adasAFK, make sure the pin is in output mode - in that mode the internal resistors don't have any effect.
[12:07] <adasAFK> gordonDrogon: but wiringPi pin 7 must be Input right? because it will be receving the signal from the switch, when i turn on the switch..
[12:08] <adasAFK> i hope im not confusing
[12:10] <Jck_true> Set it to pulldown - And let the switch close 3V3 to the pin
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[12:10] <Jck_true> That should pull the input HIGH when you have the button pressed
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[12:11] <Jck_true> And when not pressed it's "LOW" because it's being pulled to ground
[12:11] <adasAFK> okay .. here is the setup.. wiringPi pin is connected to a switch. Wiring pi pin 0 is conncted to led along with resistor that gordonDrogon mentioned...
[12:11] <Jck_true> 2sec let me just check this before you do anything
[12:11] <adasAFK> oops missed the pin number in the first sentence..
[12:11] <adasAFK> its wiringPi pin 7
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[12:12] <adasAFK> expected output is.. once i press the switch .. pin 7 raises to high and triggers an interrupt that calls a functions that sets wiringpi pin 0 to output and raises it to hi
[12:13] <Jck_true> adasAFK: http://openmicros.org/index.php/articles/94-ciseco-product-documentation/raspberry-pi/217-getting-started-with-raspberry-pi-gpio-and-python
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[12:14] <Jck_true> I'm not sure about the buildtin pullup/pulldown resistors - Maybe gordonDrogon can thow some more light on this
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> is the switch connected to 0v or 3.3v ?
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> if the switch is connected to 0v, then you need to set the internal pull-up resistor - gpio mode 7 up - then the pin will read high when the switch is open, and low when you push it.
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> you'll need to cope with this in your code, but that's not an issue. Just test for 0 = switch pushed.
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> use gpio read 7 to check the switch input.
[12:16] <adasAFK> gordonDrogon: those spiders look terrifying up close.. : ) one end of switch is conncted to wiringPi pin 7 and other end to 3.3v
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> adasAFK, ok - in which case - gpio mode 7 down - to set the internal pull-downs.
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> Also - some people like to use a resistor in-series with the switch just in-case you accidentally set the pin to output mode - if you do that and you make it low, you short circuit the +3.3v to 0v through the GPIO pins...
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> but if you're careful you'll be OK.
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> any low-value resistor would be fine - anything 1K or less (down to about 220??)
[12:18] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Whats their on state on reset?
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[12:19] <Jck_true> What is their state on reset?*
[12:19] <Jck_true> Output - Low?
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[12:20] <adasAFK> ill be carefull..
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[12:21] <Jck_true> adasAFK: Well... Same thing your dad said to your mom...
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> undefined.
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> although most are inputs.
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[12:23] <gordonDrogon> as of kernel 3.6 - 2 are now outputs.
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> the internal pull-up/down's are maintained over a power cycle.
[12:23] <adasAFK> lol
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[12:24] <adas> ima try it and be bcack
[12:27] <Vonstilton> Hi, I'm trying to install pyBluez to do some bluetooth work with python but i'm having trouble installing bluez getting a lot of missing libraries
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[12:28] <Joeboy> Vonstilton: How are you installing it? apt? pip / easy_install ?
[12:29] <Vonstilton> i've downloaded the bluez tar and im installing using that
[12:30] <Joeboy> What libraries is it compaining about?
[12:30] <Vonstilton> Managed its missing readline.h atm cant seem to find that one
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[12:31] <Joeboy> Vonstilton: Try installing libreadline-dev
[12:31] <Vonstilton> I will try that
[12:31] <mike_t> Vonstilton, bluez exists in repo. why are you build from source?
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[12:33] <Vonstilton> I dont know, i'm a bit of a linux noob, whats the best way to do it?
[12:34] <Joeboy> Vonstilton: If what you want is packaged for your distribution, the best thing is to just apt-get install <yourpackagename>
[12:34] <Joeboy> In your case, probably apt-get install python-bluez
[12:34] <mike_t> Vonstilton, apt-get install bluez bluez-tools python-bluez
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[12:34] <Joeboy> or sudo [all of that], if you're not root
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[12:35] <Joeboy> assuming you're running raspbian or other debian-derived distro
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[12:37] <Vonstilton> okay its installing i all thanks :)
[12:38] <Joeboy> np
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[13:18] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Can buy sugru in B&Q now - for a trial period. Shame it's so expensive ):
[13:20] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: For a second I thought "Sugru" was the fish equivalent to kobe meat...
[13:22] <nid0> its not on their site :(
[13:22] <RoyK> Jck_true: lol
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> http://sugru.com/go/bandq
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> not sure why they have a picture of a donkey in the background.
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[13:24] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: It's the secret ingredient
[13:26] <Jck_true> Shrinkwrap is my newest best friend - No matter how bad a solder joint you made - Shrink wrap will cover it up
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[13:27] <gordonDrogon> I always make good solder joints!
[13:27] <Jck_true> Ohh shrink tube for electronics... Shrink wrap is for all your food screwups
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[13:39] <gordonDrogon> one of these days I'll buy myself a hot air gun for heatshring tubing - better than a gas lighter!
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> shrink-wrap isn't really easy to use domestically - you're probably thinking of of cling film...
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[13:54] <scummos> I do that with the non-tip part of my soldering iron
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[14:00] <Tripir> Hi =)
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[15:46] <zleap> gordonDrogon, how did the jamboree go ?
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> zleap, hi.
[15:48] <zleap> hi
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> zleap, went really well.
[15:48] <zleap> excellent
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[16:00] <Joeboy> Norwich rpi meeting on Saturday was also good
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[16:01] <zleap> is torbay about the only place that Hasn't had one
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> devon in general...
[16:04] <Joeboy> Make it happen!
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[16:17] <gordonDrogon> doesn't work like that in Devon. the population density is ~0
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[16:20] <zleap> add to that general apathy
[16:20] <zleap> gordonDrogon, i have a meeting at shiphay school tomorrow I may suggest it, or a schools one perhaps
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[16:22] <nid0> I didnt go to any rpi meet in norwich at the weekend :(
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[16:28] <Joeboy> It's true that Norwich has a reputation for being the throbbing, metropolitan pulse of Europe
[16:28] <zleap> ok
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[16:29] <jcdutton> Are there any sample circuits for connected SPI ADCs to the PI ?
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[16:31] <Joeboy> jcdutton: How about http://www.skpang.co.uk/blog/archives/615 ?
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[16:39] <vibhav> Is there a official channel for the raspberry pi?
[16:39] <zleap> not sure
[16:39] <mjr> probably not
[16:39] <IT_Sean> vibhav: this channel is about as official as it gets.
[16:40] <zleap> however this channel is very active so i am sure someone can help
[16:40] <vibhav> Ah okay
[16:40] <IT_Sean> there is no truly official Raspi channel. We are the only channel "blessed" by The Foundation, though.
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[16:41] <vibhav> Anyways, I have a mobile phone charger which has an output of 5.0V, 0.7A. It should work with the raspberry pi, right?
[16:41] <IT_Sean> that is the absolute minimum.
[16:41] <IT_Sean> that said, it could work.
[16:42] <IT_Sean> You probably want something a bit beefier. Especially if you intend to use USB devices w/ the pi.
[16:42] <IT_Sean> The ideal PSU is 5v @ 1A.
[16:42] <zleap> should do,
[16:42] <zleap> it would be fine for the Model A i think
[16:42] <vibhav> IT_Sean: what about 5.0V and 0.2A?
[16:43] <vibhav> IT_Sean: i mean 2.0A
[16:43] <IT_Sean> 2A is fine
[16:43] <IT_Sean> As long as it is 5V and a minimum of 700mA (0.7A) it should do.
[16:44] <IT_Sean> Try it and see.
[16:44] <vibhav> IT_Sean: What about power over ethernet?
[16:44] <IT_Sean> the raspi does not support PoE
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[16:44] <vibhav> Ah
[16:44] * vibhav is planning to buy one
[16:45] <vibhav> \o/
[16:45] <vibhav> Thanks IT_Sean
[16:45] <IT_Sean> You are welcome.
[16:45] <IT_Sean> Getting a model A or B?
[16:45] <vibhav> B
[16:45] <IT_Sean> Nice.
[16:45] <IT_Sean> I've got one.
[16:45] <vibhav> Indeed
[16:45] <IT_Sean> It's running OpenELEC quite nicely.
[16:45] <vibhav> The model B looks pretty neat
[16:46] <IT_Sean> It's a neat little device. Just make sure you have everything you need.
[16:46] <vibhav> IT_Sean: i plan to run a vanilla Build of Debian on it
[16:46] <vibhav> Instead of raspbian
[16:47] <IT_Sean> Besides the raspi, you'll be wanting an SD card to put the OS on, a keyboard and mouse, and a powered USB hub if you plan to use any USB devices besides a simpple keyboard and mouse.
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[16:47] <IT_Sean> vibhav: why? You do realise that raspian IS debian, right?
[16:47] <IT_Sean> *raspbian
[16:47] <vibhav> IT_Sean: I develop for Debian
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[16:47] <IT_Sean> 's just optimized for the raspi.
[16:47] <zleap> cool
[16:48] <vibhav> So I need a vanilla build of it to build my packages
[16:48] <vibhav> Though I will probably use both
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[16:48] <IT_Sean> Fair 'nuff.
[16:49] <vibhav> Also, will I fry my pi if I connect it to the computer?
[16:49] <IT_Sean> connect it to the computer how?
[16:49] <vibhav> Via usb
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[16:50] <vibhav> As a power source
[16:50] <IT_Sean> You won't fry it, but, it also wont work
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[16:50] <IT_Sean> The USB ports on your PC will, most likely, NOT supply enough power to run it.
[16:50] <IT_Sean> you really need to use a good USB power supply.
[16:50] <vibhav> IT_Sean: I thought it provided too much power
[16:50] <IT_Sean> no, it's still 5v.
[16:51] <IT_Sean> But not enough amperage, in most cases.
[16:51] <vibhav> Ah
[16:51] <zleap> current
[16:51] <mjr> Depends on the PC really. Many do go over spec.
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[16:51] <vibhav> Yeah, that too
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[16:51] <IT_Sean> (you cannot feed a Pi "too much" power. It will only draw what it needs. This is why you can safely go abouve the minimum 700mA with a 1A or 2A supply)
[16:52] <IT_Sean> that said, the supply MUST be 5v.
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[16:52] * vibhav nods
[16:53] <mjr> (also, an USB3 port is likely to provide sufficient power)
[16:53] <Tachyon`> sometimes it draws less than it needs due to the damn fuse
[16:53] <IT_Sean> Too much voltage, and you get this: http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4571/fcyna4w.jpg
[16:53] <vibhav> So, 5V and 2A should be sufficient
[16:53] <mjr> yes
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[16:53] <Tachyon`> christ, how did that happen?
[16:53] <IT_Sean> Dunno... not mine. Someone else posted that
[16:53] <Tachyon`> looks like it's been near a lightning strike
[16:53] <Tachyon`> ahh
[16:54] <zleap> burnt out a bit that eh
[16:54] <vibhav> IT_Sean: I haven't bought one, and your are giving me nightmares :(
[16:54] <Tachyon`> well, yeah, but the 5v is regulated before it gets to anything but the USB I thought
[16:54] <IT_Sean> LOL!
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[16:54] <zleap> vibhav, you will be fine
[16:54] <IT_Sean> Tachyon`: the 5v input on the Pi? Not regulated.
[16:54] <Tachyon`> the pi doesn't run on 5v though
[16:55] <Tachyon`> just the USB does, the pi runs on 3.3 and less
[16:55] <vibhav> zleap: Hopefully
[16:55] <IT_Sean> Ah, yes, that is regulated. The 5v circuit for USB is not.
[16:55] <Tachyon`> I believe the cpu runs on about 2, althuoghcouldn't swear to it
[16:55] <Tachyon`> aye, so why were things that weren't USB damaged
[16:55] <mjr> a friend actually did feed her pi ~7v (the supply _said_ 5v), and while the 3.3v regulator got somewhat hot, it worked. Wouldn't recommend it though. (And she had no USB devices hooked up)
[16:56] <Tachyon`> yeah, certainly wouldn't recommend going over 5, I just can't see how it resulted in the image unless something else was going on, do the regulators break down and pass the input voltage after a certain point?
[16:56] <mjr> probably because the regulator got damaged
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[16:57] <vibhav> Debian anyway plans to have a armhf port soon
[16:58] <vibhav> You guys won't have to work then
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[16:59] <IT_Sean> us guys? work?
[16:59] <IT_Sean> ...
[16:59] <IT_Sean> ?
[17:02] <vibhav> The guys behind raspbian
[17:02] <angelos> the debian armhf port doesn't support armv6
[17:03] <vibhav> Didn't know that though
[17:03] <zleap> IT_Sean, i think that pic is a case of rip - rpi
[17:03] <zleap> :)
[17:03] * IT_Sean groans
[17:03] <IT_Sean> that was poor.
[17:04] <zleap> lol
[17:04] <zleap> sorry
[17:04] <zleap> i am trying to get nethack vultures eye to compile but had issues, so i hve posted to the forums for help
[17:04] <zleap> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?uid=7746&f=30&t=36785&start=0
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[17:06] <vibhav> zleap: you need sdl-config installed for that
[17:06] <zleap> how do i install it
[17:07] <zleap> as i said i tried to find it with apt-cache search sdl-config
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[17:07] <vibhav> zleap: sdl-config is in the package libsdl
[17:07] <zleap> ok
[17:07] <zleap> ty
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[17:08] <vibhav> A package provides various programs, FYI
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[17:09] <zleap> ok
[17:09] <zleap> i am stuck
[17:10] <vibhav> Installed?
[17:10] <zleap> libsdl1.2debian is already the newest version.
[17:10] <zleap> libsdl1.2debian set to manually installed.
[17:10] <vibhav> Hmm
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> libsdl-dev
[17:10] <zleap> ok
[17:11] <zleap> ok thats installing thanks gordonDrogon
[17:11] <vibhav> zleap: apt-get build-dep nethack
[17:11] <zleap> ok
[17:11] <vibhav> This installed all packages necessary to build nethack
[17:12] <zleap> this is for an addon for nethack
[17:12] <zleap> vultures eye it adds a nice gui to it
[17:12] <zleap> 3d isometric type thing
[17:12] <vibhav> Installs*
[17:12] <zleap> was falcons eye a few years ago,
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[17:13] <vibhav> zleap: in the future, use apt-get build-dep <package name> to install all packages you need to build a program
[17:13] <zleap> ok
[17:14] <zleap> this isn't in the normal debian repositories yet
[17:14] <zleap> http://www.darkarts.co.za/vulture
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[17:16] <zleap> i wonder how long this is gonna take on pi
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[17:25] <zleap> hi
[17:25] <zleap> vibhav, i now get ./vulture_txt.h:7:21: fatal error: SDL_ttf.h: No such file or directory
[17:25] <zleap> compilation terminated.
[17:27] <vibhav> zleap: tried the build-dep commands for nethack
[17:27] <vibhav> You probably have some dependencies missing
[17:27] <vibhav> Try apt-get build-dep nethack
[17:28] <zleap> the build-dep gives me E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[17:29] <vibhav> zleap: i don't know much about the raspberry pi repositories
[17:29] <zleap> ok
[17:30] <zleap> i am installing slashem-sdl which is related
[17:30] <vibhav> Probably
[17:30] <zleap> so that may pull in some stuff that vultures eye is missing
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[17:31] <kkit> it won't
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[17:31] <kkit> you're missing sdl development packages
[17:32] <vibhav> Yes
[17:32] <vibhav> kkit: specifically some headers
[17:32] <zleap> i installed that
[17:32] <zleap> sdl-dev
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[17:33] <kkit> that clearly isn't enough
[17:33] <kkit> libsdl-ttf2.0-dev should help
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[17:34] <kkit> googling the missing filename and debian should help figure out which packages you need, as you run into errors
[17:35] <vibhav> kkit: enabling the source code section for the raspberry pi repositories in sources.list should make it easy
[17:35] <zleap> ok something is working now
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[17:36] <vibhav> Nice
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[17:37] <kkit> vibhav, only if vulture were in debian in the first place. you can't get build-deps for something that doesn't exist in the archives
[17:38] <vibhav> Well, I did not know that
[17:38] <vibhav> I don't have a pi right now
[17:39] <kkit> sure, but this has nothing to do with the pi, it's debian
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[17:42] <vibhav> kkit: i presumed vulture was in the repositories
[17:42] <vibhav> :(
[17:42] <vibhav> I should probably file an ITP for it
[17:42] <kkit> if it was, zleap wouldn't need to build it!
[17:43] <zleap> well normal debian packagfes are availabkle from the games website
[17:43] <zleap> they work fine on desktop
[17:43] <zleap> vibhav, its here
[17:43] <zleap> http://www.darkarts.co.za/vulture
[17:43] <zleap> it it can go in the repositories it would be nice
[17:44] <zleap> and then get ported to the pi would be nice
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[18:27] <techkid6> Just watching Ben Heck, thought I would wish the Pi a happy birthday
[18:28] <Hodapp> you should... make it a pie for its birthday
[18:28] <Hodapp> perhaps a raspberry one
[18:28] <Hodapp> I bet you $50,000 I'm the first person who ever thought of that
[18:28] <techkid6> Well, I am talking to you on my Pi now, so... yeah :P
[18:28] <techkid6> wget pie-recepies.com
[18:28] <techkid6> Yep
[18:29] <SpeedEvil> is a place you store pis a repisetory?
[18:29] <techkid6> i thought it was itory...
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[18:32] <Hodapp> SpeedEvil: *groan*
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[18:49] <jcdutton> Does anyone know of any I2C digital isolators in DIP packages?
[18:52] <fr0g911> well got the raspberry pi working as a full dvr and motion detector for my foscam ipcams
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[19:02] <zaveman> Hey guys, does anyone have any experience with BoxFS syncing files (in this case Motion vid caps) to a box.net accout? I'm having trouble with how it mounts the folder (I think it uses FUSE, kinda newb with this) when it does neither motion or or any admin user can access the mount to drop files in, says permission denied, am I missing something?
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[19:26] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/the-raspberry-jamboree/ <-- my take on the Jamboree on Saturday.
[19:30] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: how's it going gordon?
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[19:30] <lord4163> Helloa
[19:30] <lord4163> How do you install xbmc on Raspbian Wheezy
[19:30] <lord4163> ?
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, going well!
[19:37] <angelos> lord4163: I used http://michael.gorven.za.net/raspberrypi/xbmc
[19:37] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: I've been hacking on a new arm to toy with...
[19:37] <angelos> lord4163: it's not bleeding edge like raspbmc/xbian, but it's 12.0 and works well
[19:37] <IT_Sean> lord4163: why not use OpenELEC? 's got a nice easy install script
[19:38] <vibhav> Is it important to use a breadboard for connecting the pi gpio ports to leds?
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[19:38] <lord4163> IT_Sean: Because it is not debian?!
[19:38] <vibhav> Can't I just use wires with resisters directly connected?
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[19:38] <vibhav> Resistors*
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, more details? :)
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> vibhav, breadboard makes it easy - resistors dont 'plug' into the Pi ...
[19:39] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: http://www.repyoblog.com/index.php/2013/02/hacking-the-synology-ds-112j/ that's all I have up thus far..
[19:40] <IT_Sean> lord4163: so? are you using it for something besides xbmc?
[19:40] <vibhav> gordonDrogon: the xinnect
[19:40] <vibhav> Sorry
[19:40] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: It's a marvell kirkwood SoC.. on-board sata.
[19:40] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: I'm working through a debian install now.
[19:40] <vibhav> gordonDrogon: they still connect to the wires, right?
[19:40] <lord4163> IT_Sean: yes, not everyone use it for just XBMC
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, ah right. it's quite small then ... but not a Pi :)
[19:40] <IT_Sean> pardon me, i was just asking
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[19:41] <gordonDrogon> vibhav, a breadboard helps to make the connections...
[19:41] <IT_Sean> and don't you get all high and mighty... i have a 2nd sd card with raspbian onnit
[19:41] <lord4163> I don't like it either people pushing OpenElec without learning Linux and tweak around - I think that's the goal with the pi
[19:41] <lord4163> IT_Sean: yeah that's possible ;)
[19:41] <IT_Sean> I wasn't pushing anything... just making a suggestion.
[19:41] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: no sir.. Kind of neat thou.
[19:42] <Hodapp> If XBMC is your goal, I don't see the issue with OpenElec.
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, yes - and small!
[19:42] <angelos> tbh, IT_Sean's suggestion was quite good, if you're going for xbmc only, OpenELEC is perfect
[19:42] <IT_Sean> thanks angelos
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[19:42] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: you could get it smaller with a decasing. Nice to have a native sata HDD thou.
[19:42] <vibhav> gordonDrogon: but I can still manage without the breadboard?
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> vibhav, sure - just have to be careful about making the connections.
[19:43] <lord4163> angelos: thx ;)
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[19:45] <vibhav> gordonDrogon: thanks
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[19:46] <gordonDrogon> vibhav, there are pin on the gpio next to each other, which, if you accidentally short them, you might destroy your pi.
[19:47] <vibhav> Yes, I need to take care of that too
[19:47] <DooMMasteR> http://www.isnichwahr.de/r66322217-get-out-of-the-way.html
[19:48] <zleap> so what sort of stuff were the cpc store selling ?
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[19:50] <gordonDrogon> Pi's. Books, Cases. PiFace boards and Gertboards - mostly.
[19:50] <Essobi> 9
[19:51] <zleap> cool
[19:51] <jondot> hey guys. I'm thinking of using the rpi as a poor man's NAS
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> I think they were just trying to make their presence known though - they did sponsor a big chunk of the event.
[19:52] <jondot> got an old 120GB laptop disk, want to make use of it. what do you think of the power consumption if I hook it to the USB on the pi?
[19:53] <angelos> well, 2.5" disks use <0.9A at I think 5V
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> very probably more than the Pi can source. Why not plug it in and see - the worst that can happen is that the Pi doesn't boot (or crashes if you plut it in 'hot').
[19:53] <angelos> well definitely more than the pi can handle
[19:53] <angelos> >0.5A
[19:54] <angelos> (mostly guessing numbers from the fact that USB 2.0 (max 0.5A) uses 2 ports for 2.5" disks, 3.0 (max 0.9A) only one)
[19:55] <jondot> hmm, so no one actually plugs a disk direct to the pi?
[19:55] <lord4163> Has someone actually somehow managed to get SATA on it?
[19:56] <angelos> well, I have a disk directly attached to the pi, but the disk itself has an external power supply
[19:56] <nid0> the pi makes a very very exceedingly poor nas, especially with unpowered disks
[19:56] <angelos> that's a 3.5" disk though
[19:56] <jondot> angelos, ooh. that might be a good use case for me. any chance of plugging the pi to the disk's power source? my ideal goal is to save power sockets as much as possible
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[19:57] <angelos> don't think so, not for the usual 3.5" usb disk power supplies
[19:59] <jondot> if only the enclosure could power both the 3.5" and pi, then it would be like a 1-slot NAS. only more hackable this time because you're using a pi
[20:00] <nid0> and horribly slow
[20:00] <jondot> the pi is slower than the hardware on a NAS?
[20:00] <nid0> much
[20:00] <nid0> the problem is io, everything runs over a usb bus
[20:00] <nid0> any nas will use sata for disk io and have embedded ethernet
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> and not just 'a usb bus', but 'one usb bus'
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[20:02] <jondot> how bad is it in terms of mb/s?
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> although usb bus is a tautology but what do I care...
[20:02] <nid0> it depends on exactly what you're transferring, for sequential reads of big files you wont notice much slowdown but for small file access your iops are gonna get crippled
[20:03] <jondot> i guess most of the stuff is movies and such. media files.
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> each xfer has to go over the same USB twice.
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> so storage -> usb -> Pi -> usb -> ethernet
[20:03] <jondot> well I do have the ethernet pi
[20:03] <nid0> the ethernet is just attached to the usb host
[20:03] <nid0> it all runs over usb
[20:03] <jondot> ah, yikes.
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> however it's slightly worse is that USB is half duplex and Ethetnet is full duplex, so the USB will switch direction and take several transactions to put stuff out over the Ethernet.
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> but in practice, as nid0 says - it should work, but performance won't be stellar ...
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> one of these days I might try it :)
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[20:05] <angelos> lemme try that
[20:05] <nid0> yeh, for media files that switching is no major problem, its just for small random access you'll end up with iops thatll make you want to rip your hair out
[20:05] <kkit> jondot, it isn't fast
[20:05] <kkit> i get 1-2MB/s from the pi
[20:05] <jondot> ouch
[20:05] <hellsing> the pi is not know for being fast sadly
[20:05] <angelos> 59 MB in 32 seconds
[20:06] <angelos> i.e. 1.8 MB/s avg. write speed
[20:06] <jondot> so I guess I won't have a chance to reuse some of my old hardware. such a pitty
[20:06] <kkit> it's good enough for my purposes as a NAS, but i'm not doing anything that requires speed
[20:06] <hellsing> you can reuse, but don t expect top performances
[20:07] <angelos> 59 MB read in 28 seconds, i.e. 2.1 MB/s avg
[20:07] <angelos> (admittedly via wlan, but 802.11n)
[20:08] <jondot> yea, too bad. I hope next gen pis will have a separate bus
[20:08] <angelos> that is, my laptop is connected via wlan, the rpi is wired
[20:08] <angelos> yeah, sata and ethernet on the SoC would be awesome heh
[20:09] <jondot> the CPUs on moderate level home NAS are modest. the pi would have smoked it
[20:09] <home> :(
[20:09] <hellsing> sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda
[20:09] <hellsing> /dev/sda:
[20:09] <hellsing> Timing cached reads: 246 MB in 2.01 seconds = 122.40 MB/sec
[20:09] <hellsing> Timing buffered disk reads: 14 MB in 3.15 seconds = 4.45 MB/sec
[20:09] <hellsing> so only local
[20:09] <hellsing> so divide by two for network speed
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[20:10] <jondot> hellsing: so this means, for a PVR use case pi is still good
[20:10] <hellsing> PVR?
[20:10] <jondot> something that will download stuff, and play it
[20:11] <hellsing> i guess, but not all codec are hardware decoded
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[20:11] <hellsing> so software decoding will be slow
[20:11] <angelos> I use it as HTPC, works fine
[20:12] <jondot> hmm yea. ok thanks guys i'll try it out
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[20:12] <angelos> mpeg4 (divx, mkv) is hardware decoded, dts/ac3 is decoded by my AVR
[20:12] <angelos> if you buy a license, it'll also decode mpeg2
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[20:13] <blindrage> I'm looking to create a set of auto a2dp scripts for bluetooth audio, but the rpi isn't playing nice
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[20:13] <blindrage> if i disconnect and reconnect, the pi stops responding
[20:13] <blindrage> any idea what logs are relevant in /var/log ? I'm not used to debian, i'm used to rhel flavors
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[20:14] <blindrage> /var/log/messages isn't getting anything
[20:15] <blindrage> my script works great at first, but if i disconnect then try to reconnect, the pi just 'quits'
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[20:22] <r0b-> anyone use usb hubs iwth there pi?
[20:22] <angelos> powered ones yes
[20:22] <angelos> (not me though)
[20:22] <tero> um guys is it possible to run rpi from a pc with usb 3.0? since usb 3.0 has a current limit of 900mA I am guessing that could be done
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[20:22] <tero> has anyone tried it?
[20:22] <tero> i mean as a power source
[20:23] <r0b-> :P im trying to figure out why my webcam/wifi only work one at a time. if i try to do both the wifi stops.
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[20:23] <r0b-> i can run 2-3 devices via the same hub and wall adapter off my PC fine.
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[20:28] <r0b-> i have wifi powersaving turned off
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[20:29] <blindrage> anyone know of a PSU that supplies USB as well as hosts a USB hub?
[20:35] <IT_Sean> what?
[20:36] * r0b- has a decent 1A supply and a seperate powered hub :P
[20:36] <nid0> tero: my pis have been running perfectly stable from 2 usb2 front panel ports on my pc
[20:36] * r0b- has a 1a phone charger just for pi
[20:37] <r0b-> and i bought this hub for the pi
[20:37] <r0b-> but it wont cooperate
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[20:39] <r0b-> hmmm back to the drawing board. bbl
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[20:49] <Dark_Apostrophe> Hello, I'm running the official Debian release (Raspbian, I think its name was). Initially, its resolution was just fine, but following a power failure, it now boots to a resolution significantly lower than full HD. I tried specifying resolution in config.txt, to no avail. Will anyone help me out?
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[20:54] <knoppies> Dark_Apostrophe, you can give ARandR a try.
[20:54] <knoppies> Dark_Apostrophe, I haven't tried it on the RPi though.
[20:54] <knoppies> Dark_Apostrophe, it might also be a xorg.conf issue.
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[20:55] <Dark_Apostrophe> ARandR? I've heard of XRandR, which I believe has to do with multiple monitors, but not ARandR
[20:55] <knoppies> ARandR is a graphical interface for XRandR, and its more than just multiple monitors, you can use it to change resolutions.
[20:55] <Dark_Apostrophe> xorg.conf is a frequent source of annoyance - but I have no clue about what settings the RPi would like. Were it an nVidia card or something, it would be easier.
[20:55] <Dark_Apostrophe> Oh
[20:55] <yorick> hi! yesterday I was here with an unworking SD card when flashing from linux. today, I flashed it on windows and it worked, the RPi will boot, and then not get any dhcp lease. I suppose it has about as much trouble with the card as my own linux
[20:56] <Dark_Apostrophe> Installing arandr now
[20:57] <zleap> yoavz, is is it set to use dhcp
[20:58] <zleap> yorick, sorry
[20:58] <zleap> yorick, type cat /etc/network/interfaces
[20:58] <yorick> zleap: it's just a standard raspbian image
[20:58] <Dark_Apostrophe> Is there any hope of running Android on a pi, by the way?
[20:58] <r0b-> ugh
[20:58] <r0b-> it did it again :(
[20:58] <yorick> zleap: I have no monitor and no keyboard :P
[20:58] <zleap> should be
[20:58] <zleap> ok
[20:59] <zleap> erm
[20:59] <zleap> can you ssh in
[20:59] <yorick> no because it has no IP
[20:59] <zleap> ok
[20:59] <r0b-> :(
[20:59] <zleap> if you have no monitor how do you know you have no ip
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[21:00] <yorick> zleap: because I spun up a dhcpd in debug mode, manually ip link set up eth0 and connected it to my laptop
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[21:00] <zleap> ok
[21:00] <yorick> also because there's nothing in the router table
[21:01] <zleap> ok
[21:01] <zleap> can anyone help with this
[21:01] * zleap is asking generally
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[21:02] <yorick> I suppose it's somewhere at a kernel panic screen because my SD card isn't really liked by linux
[21:02] <zleap> Dark_Apostrophe, http://androidpi.wikia.com/wiki/Android_Pi_Wiki
[21:02] <zleap> ok
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[21:03] <Dark_Apostrophe> knoppies: Arandr only shows my current resolution - 720p - as available
[21:03] <Dark_Apostrophe> zleap: thanks :)
[21:04] <zleap> np
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[21:46] <seba-> is there any ffmpeg already with hardware *en*coding
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[21:52] <TopHatHacker> hello fellow pi people
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[21:55] <TopHatHacker> roudy crowd
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[21:58] <yaodin> what would you guys suggest for switching ~6A @ 12V0? I am thinking something like a transistor controlled fet but not sure if i need to protect the gpio any more than just resistor/zener diode
[21:59] <seba-> what?
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[21:59] <seba-> you want to do a "relay" kind of?
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[22:00] <seba-> you can just get a FET which "opens" at 3.3V
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[22:00] <seba-> there are many such relays :)
[22:00] <yaodin> really... didn't find any
[22:00] <yaodin> back to mouser i go
[22:00] <seba-> really
[22:00] <seba-> lol
[22:00] <yaodin> yeah... probably failed putting in search params
[22:01] <seba-> then you need a pulldown or pullup, whatever you want, resistor
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[22:02] <seba-> yaodin, http://si.farnell.com/nxp/psmn1r6-30pl/mosfet-n-ch-30v-100a-to-220ab/dp/1845637
[22:02] <seba-> my favourite FETs
[22:03] <seba-> i love them
[22:03] <seba-> i think i'm going to marry them
[22:04] <DDave> seba-, o boi, I cant wait for the babies :p
[22:04] <blindrage> my pi is definitely wigging out and I think pulseaudio is the issue...
[22:04] <blindrage> my script for a2dp can connect my device, and if it disconnects then reconnects the pi locks up
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[22:07] <yaodin> seba: and they're affordable, thanks!
[22:08] <Gelb> i am building a new "digital valve radio", this time based on an raspberry pi (my last project used an old laptop).
[22:08] <Gelb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdLTDTAWHgo
[22:08] <seba-> yaodin, they have also a VERY low Rds on .)
[22:08] <Gelb> idea is, to put the eletronics of a modern internet radio into the case of an old valve radio (so no valves are involved). but i try to copy the "ui" of such old radios.
[22:08] <seba-> yaodin, you can run 50 A if you want :)
[22:09] <seba-> yaodin, i did with 10 A, you don't even need a heat sink
[22:09] <seba-> lol
[22:10] <yaodin> sweet, i'll probably have to anyway, it's going in a 32C 80% humidity room
[22:10] <seba-> yaodin, it was a part of a H-bridge (4-Nfets) for high current, quite cool
[22:10] <seba-> no
[22:10] <seba-> you don't need
[22:10] <seba-> you'll see
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[22:10] <yaodin> dang, i'm impressed it i don't need it
[22:10] <seba-> yaodin, they are so awesome you can't belive, but for N-fets you must switch the GND side
[22:10] <seba-> don't forget that
[22:11] <Gelb> http://amrhein.eu/Radio shows my last radio project, with the final case and everything - but without a raspberry pi.
[22:11] <seba-> it will still work with this babies, but it will get hot
[22:11] <seba-> Gelb, cool, i have a ton of these old radios
[22:12] <seba-> Gelb, where are you from?
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[22:12] <Gelb> seba-: germany, but i live in the uk.
[22:12] <seba-> ah.
[22:13] <Gelb> my current project lives in a cardboard box because the final case is at my fathers house.
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[22:14] <yaodin> seba: just to make sure I understand, pull the gate to gnd with something like a 1k resistor?
[22:15] <seba-> yaodin, yes, 10k is also ok
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[22:19] <pksato> yaodin: you need do control positive (+12V) side or negative (GND)?
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[22:20] <yaodin> doesn't really matter, it's just switching a ton of leds
[22:21] <InControl> like the look of the radio
[22:21] <pksato> its does.
[22:21] <yaodin> yeah, that interface is pretty slick imo
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[22:21] <DDave> Gelb, sweet stuff
[22:22] <DDave> Gelb, do you know this project? ( http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr ) It might be interesting for you
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[22:26] <Gelb> DDave: i was thinking about stuff like this, like DAB (digital radio over terrestric radio). but internet radio is nice and simple. just put a wifi stick in it.
[22:28] <Gelb> the case that radio will go into looks similar to this: http://postimage.org/image/5ubd9eqgr/
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[22:28] <Gelb> (just simpler, my grandfather was a baker and could only afford the cheap version ;-)
[22:29] <seba-> pksato, why
[22:29] <DDave> Gelb, cheap or not, it did it's job :D
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[22:30] <Gelb> DDave: yeah, he was quite proud of it, i was told. and now i will return it to live. the original "electronics" are long gone.
[22:31] <DDave> If there is nothing left to repair... ;) Also, take care of the insulation inside (if there is still any). Afaik it used to be asbest
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[22:32] <Gelb> DDave: interesting... i didn't know that. but not in this case, it is just a wooden box.
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[22:32] <blindrage> this is all it takes to freeze my raspberry pi...any ideas why? http://fpaste.org/3f7V/
[22:32] <DDave> Gelb, http://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/asbest_in_systems.html :)
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[22:33] <chithead> using an usb bluetooth adapter? connect through a powered hub if you can
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[22:35] <alex88_> hi guys, I had an sd with raspbmc that booted fine on my pi just got back from RMA
[22:35] <alex88_> then I wanted to install occidentalis, I've tried with the linux DD method with both 4MB and 1MB block size
[22:35] <alex88_> img sha1 is correct
[22:35] <alex88_> but still after connecting power I get just power led and green led blinks just one time
[22:36] <linuxstb> alex88_: What is the exact dd command you used?
[22:36] <alex88_> any idea?
[22:36] <Gelb> DDave: thanks.
[22:37] <alex88_> linuxstb: dd bs=1M if=/media/F2808A59808A2467/Users/Netbook/Desktop/Occidentalis_v02.img of=/dev/sdb
[22:37] <alex88_> I did also a sync after dd and then removed
[22:37] <alex88_> the sd
[22:38] <linuxstb> That dd command looks fine. I normally use "eject" - I don't know if that's any different to "sync" though.
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[22:39] <linuxstb> Hmm, "man sync" says that flushes filesystem buffers. But with dd, you're bypassing the filesystem layer.
[22:39] <alex88_> yup, it's just as a precaution
[22:40] <linuxstb> You could try dd'ing it back, and comparing checksum
[22:40] <linuxstb> You may want to use "count=X" as well, where X is the size of Occidentalis_v02.img in MB
[22:41] <alex88_> linuxstb: from result it actually flash only what it needs
[22:42] <alex88_> btw, dd'ing back will dd also free space?
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[22:44] <linuxstb> alex88_: I'm not sure what you're asking. By default, dd will create an image the same size as the SD card. Use "count=X" to just read back the first X MB (the same size as the image you wrote to it)
[22:45] <alex88_> linuxstb: exactly that, ok let me try
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[22:46] <yaodin> Not that it matters much but when putting protection diodes on the gpio do you try to get 3v3 zener or a little over like 3v37 or 3v4?
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[22:47] <alex88_> maybe I'll try to later use a very small installer just to test if it's an sd problem
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[22:51] <seba-> yaodin, in general you don't need them
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[22:52] <yaodin> yeah, but it will be around water, would make me feel better but may not help anyway
[22:52] <seba-> yaodin, if general you could add a resistor in series, not as pulldown, and a zener to feel better :)
[22:53] <yaodin> that's what i'm doing just didn't know if I should go for 3v3 exactly or a little above
[22:53] <seba-> or even better a TVS diode
[22:53] <seba-> :)
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[22:56] <gordonDrogon> or eve better just don't connect anything up that produces more then 3.3v ...
[22:56] <yaodin> seba: never used a tvs, anything special about it other than being a clamp?
[22:57] <yaodin> yeah, but like I said, water, water everywhere....
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[22:58] <netw1z> how do you install a new python library? trying to get python-wifi onto the system
[23:00] <yaodin> seba: gtg, thanks for the help!
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[23:02] <scummos> netw1z: depends on the library
[23:02] <scummos> usually via the package manager
[23:02] <scummos> other possibilities include pythons "egg" package manager, and installing it from the sources via setup.py
[23:03] <netw1z> i couldnt find python-wifi on apt-get install
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[23:03] <netw1z> i did download the tarball and tar -xf it but not sure what to do next
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[23:03] <kkit> netw1z, read the README or INSTALL files
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[23:04] <scummos> netw1z: usually "python setup.py install"
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[23:04] <scummos> but yes, read the readme
[23:04] <netw1z> gotcha, ill try that again. i did read the readme and did python setup.py but got errors
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[23:06] <scummos> if you expect help, post the errors ;)
[23:09] <grindax> any experts here on troubleshooting sftp on the raspberry pi? I posted a question in the RPi forums earlier but no replies yet. Can anyone here help? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=36774
[23:10] <netw1z> ImportError: No module named setuptools
[23:10] <netw1z> i guess i need to install setuptools for setup.py to work - thats the error i get
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[23:14] <pksato> grindax: what rate you get from/to rpi?
[23:14] <scummos> yes
[23:14] <scummos> however I wonder how you managed to get python without setuptools
[23:14] <grindax> pksato: around 2 MB/s
[23:14] <alex88_> linuxstb: just checked sha1 and is fine
[23:15] <alex88_> that's strange
[23:15] <pksato> is not too slow. :) I dont remember scp rates of my rpi.
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> use scp with blowfish..
[23:16] <grindax> pksato: see the performance stats I put in the forum post. general network speed to/from the pi is a few multiples of that
[23:16] <netw1z> dunno - im just under wheezy default image
[23:16] <grindax> and the cpu isn't exactly being taxed
[23:16] <netw1z> everything else has been working find
[23:16] <netw1z> fine
[23:18] <linuxstb> alex88_: Then I've no ideas, apart from the common suggestions of trying another SD card, or another power supply. I guess it's probably also worth trying another distro (e.g. Raspbian)
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[23:20] <alex88_> yup, going with that, since I've already tried another power supply
[23:20] <alex88_> but dont' have another sd for the moment
[23:20] <alex88_> thanks for the tips!
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[23:27] <grindax> is anybody here able to get more than ~2MB/s when using scp or sftp to/from their RPi?
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[23:28] <alex88_> grindax: sorry, never tested..
[23:28] <alex88_> btw, 2MB/s and write to SD?
[23:28] <pksato> grindax: try to copy to /dev/null
[23:28] <grindax> yes, even reads are 2MB from SD. directly on the Pi itself, reads from the SD are 19-20 MB/s
[23:28] <linuxstb> grindax: Just trying now - it's averaging about 4.1MB/s. This is running scp on the Pi, copying a remote file to the Pi.
[23:29] <grindax> see my tests here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=36774
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[23:30] <linuxstb> Hmm, final figure was 3.5MB/s (a 320MB file)
[23:30] <alex88_> grindax: well I think that I/O + encryption/decryption overhead can make those values be fine
[23:31] <grindax> so going from almost 8MB/s down to 2 MB/s for encryption overhead is ok? but why is the cpu utilization so low while the transfer is taking place?
[23:31] <alex88_> linuxstb: tried with the 7mb image from raspbian too, same thing.. Maybe I'll try to flash tomorrow from the mac as I did for the other image
[23:31] <seba-> hm
[23:31] <seba-> why would i get
[23:31] <alex88_> grindax: maybe that's CPU + iowait
[23:31] <seba-> this message /dev/video0: Operation not permitted
[23:31] <seba-> while trying to ffmpeg the webcam
[23:31] <seba-> :(
[23:31] <alex88_> what's top says about wait time?
[23:32] <seba-> it works for getting photos
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[23:32] <pksato> seba-: v4l is not good for webcams.
[23:33] <alex88_> gtg now, thanks guys, cya tomorrow
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[23:33] <grindax> alex88_ : didn't check -- not sure how that works... I could try again and run top again... but is it plausible that even with fast SD transfer and fast general network performance, the two at the same time can be no good?
[23:33] <seba-> pksato, what then
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[23:35] <pksato> seba-: what webcam?
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[23:35] <grindax> wait time is 0.0 in top while transfer is happening at 2 MB/s
[23:36] <grindax> this really is baffling
[23:36] <grindax> I wonder where the delay could be
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[23:39] <grindax> gotta run, thanks anyways all
[23:39] <Tenkawa> greetings all
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[23:39] <pksato> if I use 'ffplay -f video4linux /dev/video1' get /dev/video1: Operation not permitted
[23:39] <Tenkawa> any freebsd/pi users on?
[23:39] <pksato> and 'ffplay -f video4linux2 /dev/video1' is fine.
[23:39] <seba-> hm
[23:39] <seba-> it works now
[23:40] <seba-> pksato, why 1280x960 wouldn't work
[23:40] <seba-> :(
[23:40] <seba-> even raw
[23:40] <seba-> or maybe i'm not setting it raw
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[23:40] <pksato> seba-: 1280x960 on most webcam are photo mode, not suported by linux.
[23:41] <seba-> pksato, no no, this one is not photo mode
[23:41] <seba-> it works normally on linux
[23:41] <pksato> mjpeg?
[23:41] <seba-> sure, mjpeg, yuv
[23:41] <seba-> anything
[23:42] <Tenkawa> so.. anyone doing any intriguing clustering on the pi?
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[23:43] <seba-> oh
[23:43] <seba-> it started to work
[23:43] <seba-> but at a VERY shitty fps
[23:43] <seba-> hm
[23:43] <seba-> why is that so
[23:43] <seba-> can r.pi handle USB2?
[23:43] <seba-> or maybe not enough power
[23:43] <Tenkawa> seba-: yeah i get <1 encoding with x.264 through handbrake
[23:44] <seba-> why the hardware encoding is not enabled
[23:44] <seba-> this is shitty
[23:44] <seba-> Tenkawa, i get <1 with raw
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[23:44] <seba-> maybe the SD card doesn't handle
[23:44] <seba-> hm
[23:45] <Tenkawa> i'm using ssd via usb
[23:45] <Tenkawa> which definitely runs nicer than sd
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[23:46] <SpeedEvil> ah, poorly thought through ad campaigns.
[23:46] <SpeedEvil> email from three.
[23:47] <SpeedEvil> 'make someone's day with a pony mash up'
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[23:55] <kaste> are you german by chance?
[23:55] <kaste> we just had a horse meat scandal, in that light it's really quite funny
[23:55] <DDave> yum, horsemeat :D
[23:58] <Flexnard> su
[23:58] <Flexnard> err

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