#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-03-12

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:02] * ForSpareParts (~ForSpareP@ Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[0:02] <SpeedEvil> UK
[0:02] * azeam is now known as azeam_afk
[0:03] <SpeedEvil> similarly typical
[0:03] <SpeedEvil> topical
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[0:09] <seba-> hm
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[0:09] <seba-> i don't get the horse meat scandal
[0:09] <seba-> horse meat is more expensive
[0:09] <seba-> lol
[0:10] <seba-> how the fuck should i hardware encode webcam
[0:10] * KiltedPi (~Nbane@host-92-30-103-226.as13285.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:11] <KiltedPi> Is there a way to make something root, really simply?
[0:11] <KiltedPi> Like, can I add a bit of text- to the name of a file?
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[0:11] <KiltedPi> I have a python file, and I've hooked up my LED test circuit to the GPIO- and I'm testing it out
[0:12] <linuxstb> You mean you want the python script to always be run as root?
[0:12] <KiltedPi> but! I need to run th-
[0:12] <KiltedPi> Yep!
[0:12] <kaste> lookup suid
[0:12] <KiltedPi> give it sudo privilege
[0:12] <KiltedPi> How do I do that, linuxstb?
[0:12] <linuxstb> Wouldn't it be better to fix the permissions on whatever devices you need to access? (assuming you can, I've never used the GPIOs)
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[0:13] <KiltedPi> Yeah, the error is "No access to /dev/mem! , Try running as sudo!"
[0:13] <kaste> well that's ok
[0:13] * mgottschlag (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[0:13] <linuxstb> Hmm, guess you do need root then.
[0:13] <KiltedPi> I've soldered together a wee LED test circuit like.
[0:13] <linuxstb> And read kaste's answer.
[0:13] <kaste> /dev/mem should really only be accessible by root
[0:13] <KiltedPi> Whats the solution then dewds?
[0:14] <KiltedPi> My program runs, but hangs- and its hard to troubleshoot, when I can only run from terminal-
[0:14] <KiltedPi> and not from an IDE. (Using IDLE)
[0:15] <KiltedPi> @_@
[0:16] <kaste> http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/14520/what-does-it-mean-to-be-setuid-root
[0:16] <KiltedPi> kk
[0:16] <KiltedPi> SETUID 0
[0:17] <KiltedPi> Sounds good! How do I apply that to my python programs though?
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[0:17] <KiltedPi> chmod?
[0:17] * KiltedPi reads up
[0:18] <KiltedPi> kk!
[0:18] <KiltedPi> Thanks dewds
[0:18] <KiltedPi> "chmod 6711
[0:18] <KiltedPi> "sudo chmod 6711 testProgram.py"
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[0:32] <zproc> is there a very lightweight multi IM client for X in the raspbian repos?
[0:34] <kkit> there's bitlbee
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[0:37] <kkit> which i guess is for x if you use an x IRC client
[0:39] <zproc> hah, yeah, i think i see which one it is
[0:40] <kkit> is pidgin not light enough?
[0:41] <kkit> because if you want a multi-IM client, your choices are pretty limited
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[0:43] <zproc> i haven't tried pidgin yet, i was thinking about it. thing is i was trying to run the maximum apps in console i could, but it turns out i don't know any way of clicking a link from weechat in console // i'm trying centerim right now as a ncurses multi IM
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[0:44] <zproc> so i might run some apps on X, i mean
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[0:47] <kkit> pidgin does have an ncurses client called finch
[0:47] <kkit> i can't speak to the quality of the interface, as i haven't used it
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[0:51] <zproc> thanks, i'll look into that as well
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[0:52] * zirra-away is now known as godzirra
[0:52] <godzirra> I liked Pidgin until I used Adium.
[0:52] <godzirra> Now pidgin seems unfinished.
[0:53] <discopig> hi
[0:53] <godzirra> Howdy.
[0:53] <discopig> i like pidgin, except for irc
[0:53] <ParkerR> discopig, You might want to look at bitlbee. It a program that creates a local IRC server and can connect to various protocols
[0:54] <ParkerR> *It's
[0:54] <zproc> i love Adium and never really liked pidgin... but for the Lapdock/Pi, i could do with it
[0:54] <discopig> bitblee is awesome
[0:54] <discopig> i used it years ago
[0:54] <discopig> it just gets too confusing to have both irc and IMs in the same thing
[0:55] <ParkerR> Heh
[0:55] <Twist-> zproc: there are weechat URL shortening plugins available, if that's your only problem
[0:58] <zproc> how does that work? when running weechat in console (not in a term on X)? Twist-
[0:59] <zproc> well i see how the shortening work i guess, i still don't know how i can make a copy paste in console actually
[0:59] <Twist-> zproc: you'd still need to be running in an xter,
[1:00] <zproc> ah okay, that's what i'm gonna have to do i guess anyway, thanks i'll check the weechat plugins then
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[1:10] <Twist-> How could you possibly click a link and have a graphical web browser launch without having X11 running?
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[1:11] <seba-> Twist-, you have installed windows
[1:11] <Twist-> On a Pi?
[1:12] <seba-> sure
[1:12] <Twist-> while running raspbian concurrently?
[1:12] <seba-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT
[1:12] <seba-> also windows 8 supports ARM
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[1:14] <kkit> Twist-, gpm and a framebuffer?
[1:14] <kkit> seba-, it supports only certain arm chipsets that are very locked down
[1:14] <zproc> Twist-: i don't know, that's the problem :D but i remember having a mouse, i think, in console, a long time ago, maybe with an old slackware 3.x or so, so maybe i could still copy/paste
[1:14] <Twist-> I'm more wondering what zproc was doing.
[1:15] <kkit> you can't run it on a pi
[1:15] <zproc> a cursor, i mean
[1:15] <kkit> you could run windows 3.1 in dosbox
[1:15] <Twist-> Ah, I remember that as well.
[1:15] <Twist-> zproc: the other thing that might solve a lot of problems is just SSHing into the Pi from a proper workstation. :D
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[1:17] <zproc> actually i'm setting up weechat on a "pi server" but i'm still gonna ssh to it from the lapdock, or maybe from other computers anyway i'll 'screen' it, but yeah i guess i'm trying to complicate things a lot lately
[1:17] <zproc> Twist-:
[1:17] <Twist-> zproc: ah, that was 'gpm'
[1:17] <zproc> ah
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[1:18] <Twist-> http://packages.debian.org/stable/gpm
[1:18] <Twist-> should just be apt-get install gpm
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[1:19] <Twist-> zproc: so what's the name of the game? just using the PI to maintain a consistent connection to internet comms, so you can reboot your local workstations willy nilly without falling offline from the interenet's perspective?
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[1:20] <Twist-> you might get more milage out of tmux than screeen
[1:20] <zproc> Twist-: no :) i don't know actually, just trying to use my Lapdock/Pi
[1:21] <zproc> i used to have weechat on a server in a screen some time ago, just setting up that again
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[1:21] <Twist-> Oh.. I read right over lapdock. you got one of the surplus motorola screen/keyboard widgets?
[1:21] <kkit> yeah, i switched to tmux and don't miss screen even a little bit
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[1:22] <gschanuel> hello folks :)
[1:22] <mdszy> Hooray! My Pibow arrived!
[1:22] <mdszy> Good evening, gschanuel
[1:22] <gschanuel> i'm just here to say how hapy i am with my pi...
[1:22] <Twist-> mdszy: I'm picturing this as a crossbow that shoots circuit boards
[1:22] <zproc> so i'm gonna check tmux too, thanks :)
[1:22] <gschanuel> i finally got it working with everything I want
[1:22] <mdszy> Twist-, nah, it's a raspberry Pi case
[1:22] <mdszy> gschanuel, nice! what are you using it for?
[1:22] <Twist-> That's not nearly as hilarious
[1:22] <mdszy> Twist-, unfortunately not
[1:23] <gschanuel> xbmc with Lirc + hostapd + deluge server
[1:23] <mdszy> gschanuel, nice!
[1:23] <kkit> gschanuel, if you're going to run a remote gtk client, you'll want to modify it to only update every 10s or so
[1:23] <kkit> or else you'll just hammer the cpu
[1:23] <gschanuel> kkit, i'm accessing it via deluge-web
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[1:24] <gschanuel> the only thing I could not do was use PPPoE on it
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[1:24] <gschanuel> very wierd.. some sites would not load on the client computers
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[1:25] <gschanuel> then I left the modem doing the authentication itself... who cares ;)
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[1:25] <kkit> you can back-power it with usb though
[1:26] <gschanuel> what?
[1:26] <gschanuel> me?
[1:26] <kkit> oh, i misread pppoe as poe
[1:26] <gschanuel> :)
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[1:26] <gschanuel> but about the back-power... i cant :(
[1:27] <gschanuel> it's the first model A
[1:27] <gschanuel> sorry... model B
[1:27] <gschanuel> with 256 only
[1:27] <Twist-> Surprisingly, gschanuel, backpower is working for me on one of those boards.
[1:28] <Twist-> I didn't know about it previously.. I just bought a crappy hub and unplugged my Pi from main power one day
[1:28] <Twist-> and it stayed on
[1:28] <gschanuel> o.O
[1:28] <gschanuel> it almost works for me.. i get the logo and a collorfull screen.. then it reboots
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[3:14] <fr0g911> anyone know how i can install tcl-dev on Arch Linux ARM
[3:15] <fr0g911> pacman -S cant find it
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[3:18] <mdszy> fr0g911, from source?
[3:18] <fr0g911> anyway doesnt matter
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[3:22] <chithead> arch has no separate -devel packages sometimes
[3:24] <fr0g911> im looking everywhere to install the devel for tcl so i can get this eggdrop running again
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[3:27] <chithead> there o
[3:28] <chithead> there isn't any separate devel package, it is all in tcl
[3:30] <A124> Umm.. easy Q: Is 700mA enough for Rpi?
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[3:35] <chithead> at least early models had 700mA input fuse, so could not draw more current than that
[3:36] <chithead> more important is that the voltage does not drop too much under load
[3:37] <A124> chithead: Thank you kindly :)
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[3:42] <fr0g911> think my problem was ./configure i was pointing to a tcl8.5 when i had tcl8.6
[3:43] <fr0g911> see if this works now lol
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[3:48] <fr0g911> hey look at this ipcam running motion on raspberry pi i just got working
[3:48] <fr0g911> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwc-PNTDPK6Uc19BMGdmMEhyYzg/edit?usp=sharing
[3:49] <ParkerR> Nice
[3:49] <kkit> you can get a great shot of the back of the person's head!
[3:51] <blindrage> if anyone is interested, I made a decent set of automated BT audio player scripts: https://github.com/myoung34/bluetoothradio/tree/Wheezy-dirty
[3:51] <A124> For info: Raspbian has problems with cifs mount if the remote point get's shut down. Freezing anything polling it
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[3:51] <PhotoJim> better: use an NFS mount
[3:52] <A124> PhotoJim: Windows.. derp
[3:52] <A124> PhotoJim: Is there NFS for windows? xD
[3:52] <PhotoJim> No, but a Linux server can serve both CIFS and NFS.
[3:52] <PhotoJim> Instead of serving Windows to Linux, serve Linux to Windows.
[3:53] <A124> PhotoJim: Space kind of thing, you know.
[3:54] <A124> fr0g911: Cool
[3:54] <PhotoJim> throw a terabyte drive into a 3.5" USB enclosure :)
[3:55] <fr0g911> lol
[3:55] <fr0g911> its my head
[3:55] <fr0g911> lol
[3:56] <A124> PhotoJim: Yeah I'm kind of broke now. But I guess I'll get into sth in time
[3:56] <A124> blindrage: Thanks! What BT you use?
[3:57] <PhotoJim> A124: when you can afford it, it might drive you less insane. :)
[3:57] <godzirra> Can anyone help me with my gpio problems? I've got a single button wired up with a pull up resistor, but on the side of the resistor OPPOSITE the power, I'm only getting 9.2mV when it seems like I should be getting 3.3v.
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[3:58] <godzirra> http://i.imgur.com/ErxRGhz.jpg is my circuit, except instead of pin 8, the ground is now on pin 6.
[3:58] <A124> PhotoJim: Yeah. Also it would cause it to be large. I might Fire up FreeNAS on virtual or STH like this .. idk.
[3:58] <r0b-> anyone about?
[3:58] <PhotoJim> that works too.
[3:58] <godzirra> r0b-: no.
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[3:58] <r0b-> http://paste.debian.net/241118/ this is what dmesg shows when i connect my hub sadly it dumps me if i try to use my wifi and webcam off the same hub
[3:59] <A124> Powered hub?
[3:59] <r0b-> yes
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[4:00] <r0b-> it works fine when i attach to both rpi USB Ports
[4:00] <r0b-> and the MINUTE i turn the hub off... my pi returns to normal
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[4:06] <r0b-> fml.
[4:07] <fr0g911> wow
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[4:07] <fr0g911> i was having that problem on appletv
[4:08] <fr0g911> used adifferent hub and worked fine but i was using webcam and a usb hard drive
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[4:25] <fr0g911> got tcl to work
[4:26] <fr0g911> then forgot i needed to install make
[4:26] <fr0g911> lol
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[4:48] <DooMMasteR> merica gets mad??? 3h Hospital for 2,8k??? WTF? http://imgur.com/B35VcQc
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[5:07] <Twist-> DooMMasteR: you understand that the insurance company won't pay that much, right?
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[5:08] <DooMMasteR> Twist-: as I understand the bill the personal payment endsup with $95 but I have no plan??? going tp the ER here costs 0???
[5:08] <DooMMasteR> I do npt really get the hang of idea of a private HCS
[5:08] <itrekkie> hi all--is it possible/advised to underclock the gpu if using the pi as headless server?
[5:08] <Twist-> DooMMasteR: I'm not going to argue that american healthcare isn't a train wreck.
[5:09] <DooMMasteR> itrekkie: does not really save a lot
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[5:09] <DooMMasteR> Twist-: our's ain't the solution either
[5:09] <itrekkie> if nothing else, can I leave it at its default?
[5:09] <godzirra> Twist-: I don't think any intelligent person can argue that.
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[5:10] <DooMMasteR> but at least anyone can go into an ER without worries (even a tourist though they are happiert when you are insured)
[5:11] <piney> itrekkie, for headless, i would go with the 16mb memory split for GPU, that's all
[5:11] <DooMMasteR> itrekkie: yepp??? use it with only 16MB VRAM and force a low resolution to minimize the used bandwidth of the momory controller
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[5:11] <itrekkie> okay, well I also have it set to turbo mode, so I'll just keep that there
[5:11] <RedPenguin> hey all
[5:11] <piney> i wonder if lowering the clock of the GPU would make it boot slower since the bootloader is on the GPU
[5:11] <fr0g911> heya RedPenguin
[5:11] <RedPenguin> I know this may sound like a simple question but I have searched everywhere
[5:11] <itrekkie> seems like the gpu frequency also affects the L2 cache
[5:11] <RedPenguin> did the RPI version of XBMC take out Volume Amplication for Sound?
[5:12] <DooMMasteR> itrekkie: all cache stuff???
[5:12] <DooMMasteR> the CPU is Mapped to the GPUs MMU
[5:12] <RedPenguin> At least with raspbmc and I believe Xbian but not sure, I can no longer find said feature
[5:12] <DooMMasteR> the CPU has to access memory through the GPU
[5:12] <piney> ahh
[5:12] <piney> didn't know that last bit
[5:12] <DooMMasteR> it is one of the bigger flaws of the RPis CPU
[5:12] <itrekkie> that's an odd design?
[5:13] <itrekkie> anyway, the dynamic frequency scaling should help longevity too
[5:13] <itrekkie> I'll leave that on and just call it a day :D
[5:14] <coolhongly> Just got my first raspberry pi and I'm a complete newbie on this!
[5:14] <coolhongly> excited XD
[5:14] <itrekkie> so is the general consensus that <85c is okay?
[5:15] <fr0g911> lol coolhongly well congrats
[5:15] <piney> coolhongly, return it!
[5:15] <piney> too addictave
[5:15] <fr0g911> lol
[5:15] <itrekkie> my pi reports: temp=47.1'C which looks great
[5:15] <piney> addictive
[5:15] <coolhongly> lol
[5:16] <fr0g911> hey piney so i got the pi workings recording my ipcams uploading videos pictures and got the ipcams running off dc power from cat5 and network so nice to have one wire powering it and networking it
[5:17] <DooMMasteR> whoever designed the SoC didn't plan it as a GeneralPurpos SoC
[5:17] <piney> nife fr0g911 . how many cameras are you recording so far?
[5:17] <DooMMasteR> more like a media player with some benefits
[5:17] <DooMMasteR> maybe for a dashcam
[5:17] <piney> nice*
[5:17] <fr0g911> right now 4
[5:17] <DooMMasteR> or a simple cam???
[5:17] <piney> cant spell tonight
[5:17] <des2> well it's a slow cpu with a fast gpu
[5:17] <fr0g911> wanna see the video it recordered
[5:17] <piney> low res cameras?
[5:17] <piney> im wondering if i can do a couple of 1 mega pixel cams
[5:18] <fr0g911> 480p
[5:18] <piney> are you just recording, or streaming too from the pi?
[5:18] <fr0g911> both
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[5:18] <piney> nice
[5:19] <fr0g911> its a bit slower then streaming from the cgi
[5:19] <fr0g911> but still working
[5:19] <piney> so thats essentially 8 feeds, right?
[5:19] <piney> 4 in, 4 out
[5:19] <fr0g911> yea
[5:19] <piney> the pi is impressing me there
[5:20] <piney> not writing to the sd card i assume
[5:20] <piney> usb?
[5:20] <fr0g911> yeah it records encodes and then uploades a picture and the video to google drive
[5:20] <piney> ahh, that works
[5:20] <piney> cool
[5:20] <fr0g911> it records to the sd encodes it then uploads to google
[5:21] <fr0g911> next step im gonna see how it does recording fully to usb hd
[5:21] <fr0g911> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwc-PNTDPK6Uc19BMGdmMEhyYzg/edit?usp=sharing
[5:21] <piney> i'm looking to store the data locally, and stream the feeds to my vps to handle the viewers
[5:22] <piney> looks good
[5:22] <fr0g911> its not bad i wont be using it for my record offsite though
[5:22] <fr0g911> i get 15/m
[5:22] <fr0g911> from people
[5:23] <fr0g911> using blue iris
[5:23] <fr0g911> but this box will work for people that want a mini dvr
[5:23] <piney> yea, affordable too compared to quite a few
[5:23] <fr0g911> that i can charge im guessing 150 a pot
[5:23] <piney> still good price
[5:24] <fr0g911> yea i havent been able to view the video from gmail using android
[5:24] <piney> i could see me installing one
[5:24] <fr0g911> when i get the email
[5:24] <fr0g911> it downloads the getvideo.swf
[5:24] <fr0g911> file
[5:24] <fr0g911> and doesnt load
[5:25] <fr0g911> prob just need an app for it
[5:25] <piney> not sure
[5:25] <fr0g911> its something todo with google drive
[5:25] <fr0g911> im new to it
[5:26] <fr0g911> didnt even know gmail gives you a like Cloud Storage
[5:26] <fr0g911> oh had to use Arch Linux
[5:26] <fr0g911> for the pi
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[5:27] <piney> yea, google drive is sweet
[5:27] <fr0g911> cause anyother one would crash when you were streaming the ipcam feeds from it
[5:27] <piney> interesting
[5:28] <piney> im a debain fan, so i'll have to try myself
[5:28] <fr0g911> yea took me like 4hrs
[5:28] <fr0g911> to figure out all the probs
[5:28] <fr0g911> lol
[5:28] <fr0g911> but i still cant get xbmc to view ipcam
[5:29] <fr0g911> thats another long road
[5:29] <piney> lol
[5:29] <piney> that's part of it tho
[5:34] <fr0g911> hahaha
[5:35] <fr0g911> i crashed so many raspbmc's
[5:35] <fr0g911> trying to get ipcam working
[5:35] <fr0g911> installed mplayer
[5:35] <fr0g911> vlc
[5:35] <fr0g911> and all that stuff
[5:35] <fr0g911> and the best i got was ascii ipcam
[5:36] <godzirra> Can anyone help me with my gpio problems? I've got a single button wired up with a pull up resistor, but on the side of the resistor OPPOSITE the power, I'm only getting 9.2mV when it seems like I should be getting 3.3v. http://i.imgur.com/ErxRGhz.jpg is my circuit, except instead of pin 8, the ground is now on pin 6.
[5:36] <fr0g911> looked funny
[5:36] <godzirra> fr0g911: I read that as "Best I got was ascii porn"
[5:36] <fr0g911> wahahahahaha
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[5:36] <fr0g911> thats another hard road godzirra
[5:36] <fr0g911> lol
[5:37] <godzirra> heh
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[5:40] <fr0g911> making a pi eggdrop
[5:40] <godzirra> Ah cool.
[5:40] <godzirra> I'm working on a pimame box.
[5:40] <godzirra> but gpio is kicking my rear.
[5:40] <fr0g911> i have to say setting up eggdrop on arch is a pain in the butt
[5:40] <fr0g911> and there is no help doing so
[5:40] <godzirra> Write your own
[5:41] <godzirra> writing a cinch bot in ruby was super easy.
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[5:41] <fr0g911> yea but i only know irc scripting and tcl
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[5:41] <godzirra> Ah.
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[5:41] <fr0g911> never heard of ruby tell afew days ago
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[5:41] <SwK> arent you lucky
[5:42] <fr0g911> well my eggdrop is online
[5:42] <godzirra> *shrugs* I like ruby.
[5:42] <fr0g911> ruby seems weird
[5:42] <fr0g911> who comes up with that name
[5:42] <SwK> godzirra: how big of a pullup is that?
[5:42] <fr0g911> just like tcl i thought it was a girl band
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[5:42] <godzirra> 10k
[5:43] <godzirra> fr0g911: and eggdrop doesn't? :)
[5:43] <fr0g911> lol no
[5:43] <fr0g911> sounds like a soup
[5:43] <fr0g911> but im vegan
[5:43] <godzirra> SwK: It seems odd that it measures 3.3v on one side and 10mV or so on the other. Regardlessof if the switch is pushed.
[5:43] <fr0g911> so i cant eat it
[5:43] <godzirra> Heh
[5:43] <SwK> so when your switch is open you should see a high on your GPIO pin, but when the switch is closed you get a low, is that not what you are seeing?
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[5:44] <godzirra> SwK: If I measure the voltage on the board, it seems to work.
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[5:44] <godzirra> But using uinput(python) it doesn't seem to detect keypresses.
[5:45] <godzirra> And I'm not sure if there's something better to use.
[5:45] <SwK> godzirra: wiringpi! heh
[5:45] <SwK> (if you do C)
[5:45] <godzirra> I do not. =p
[5:45] <godzirra> Really I just want a gpio joystick to work with mame/nes emulators.
[5:46] <SwK> i use a similar circuit for a d-pad but I'm using i2c so its a little different
[5:46] <fr0g911> hey what do you know my eggdrop works over network with dcc chat when i disable ipv6 witch doesnt make any sense to me
[5:46] <godzirra> 12c?
[5:46] <SwK> eye two see
[5:47] <godzirra> Oh.
[5:47] <SwK> 2 pins on the pi (not including Vcc and ground) to drive 32 IOs heh
[5:47] <godzirra> I'm not that cool.
[5:47] <godzirra> I have no idea where you'd even start.
[5:47] <SwK> i've got a pile of buttons
[5:48] <godzirra> I just need 10 switches. :/
[5:48] <SwK> yeah
[5:48] <SwK> you should look at some of the matrix keypad demos
[5:49] <SwK> unless you need to detect L + D at the same time lol
[5:49] <godzirra> L + D? Why would I need those at the same time?
[5:50] <ParkerR> Obv diagonal scrolling
[5:50] <ParkerR> :P
[5:51] <godzirra> oh, left down
[5:51] <ParkerR> I actually dont know
[5:51] <ParkerR> Thought this was another channel
[5:51] <ParkerR> Talking about IR remotes
[5:53] <godzirra> SwK: if I folow the key pad demos, will it work for multiple buttons at once being pushed?
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[5:55] <SwK> godzirra: thats the gotcha
[5:55] <godzirra> That's a game breaker for this project.
[5:55] <godzirra> Pun intended.
[5:55] <SwK> but you can look at their design and figure out how they are getting the bits together
[5:56] <fr0g911> i like seeing the pi used for arcade systems
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[5:57] <godzirra> I'd like it more if I wasn't so frustrated with getting gpio working :/
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[5:57] <fr0g911> i do see one error though with making them for you all
[5:57] <fr0g911> is no one sends me one
[5:57] <fr0g911> ;(
[5:57] <fr0g911> for shame
[5:58] <godzirra> Why don't you make one?
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[6:04] <godzirra> SwK: Is there anything else I can use that would work better?
[6:05] <godzirra> Since I'm using emulation station I think I have to emulate keyboard with button presses.
[6:05] <godzirra> but I'm not 100% on that.
[6:05] <Essobi> SwK: lulz
[6:05] <Essobi> SwK: never know where you're going to show up
[6:06] <fr0g911> piney
[6:06] <fr0g911> you still up
[6:06] <SwK> sip Essobi
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[6:07] <piney> yea
[6:07] <piney> was googleing
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[6:08] <piney> love google's calculator
[6:08] <piney> '.25% of 30 days' is valid, so are a bunch of other ones that would require thinking
[6:10] <godzirra> SwK: Guess that's a no? :)
[6:10] <SwK> godzirra: not sure
[6:11] <SwK> I think I have seen some controller demos out there tho
[6:11] <SwK> http://blog.makezine.com/2013/01/15/arcade-controls-on-raspberry-pi/
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[6:12] <godzirra> That one requires a ps/2 controller though :/
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[6:12] <SwK> thats what I would do tho
[6:12] <godzirra> I don't want a usb connection.
[6:12] <godzirra> If I wanted that I could just use any store bought usb snes controller
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[6:12] <SwK> no figuring out how to cram the input from the GPIO into the keyboard buffer
[6:13] <godzirra> Oh.
[6:13] <SwK> thats going to be the hard part with mame
[6:14] <godzirra> Yeah, that's why I thought originally the python uinput library would be great
[6:14] <godzirra> but it just doesn't detect anything
[6:14] <godzirra> and I don't understand why.
[6:14] <fr0g911> gonna upload a video of my noob setup for ya piney
[6:15] <piney> cool, thanks
[6:15] <fr0g911> lol
[6:16] <SwK> godzirra: try this tutorial on for size??? it uses python
[6:16] <SwK> http://learn.adafruit.com/playing-sounds-and-using-buttons-with-raspberry-pi
[6:16] <fr0g911> i cant show the streams of the 21 clients i have recording due to i dont wanna goto jail
[6:16] <fr0g911> but i can show you mine
[6:17] <piney> yea, understood
[6:17] <SwK> you dont have to use adafruits breakout kit, its just a pcb break out the ribbon cable onto the breadboard
[6:17] <piney> i'm in about the same line of work
[6:17] <fr0g911> its uploading to youtube
[6:17] <fr0g911> cause my phone sucks
[6:17] <godzirra> Oh I know.
[6:17] <godzirra> I'll try it out.
[6:17] <piney> i do alarms, some of them these days even have video verification
[6:18] <SwK> hey question guys??? do you think people would participate in a weekly RPi voice bridge?
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[6:18] <piney> if participate = listen,, yes. doubt you could get me to speak
[6:18] <SwK> lol
[6:19] <SwK> listen talk etc
[6:19] <SwK> piney: i still want to talk with you at some point about that panel to FreeSWITCH stuff, but just found out today I'm probab ly not going to have time for a few weeks
[6:20] <piney> yea, no problem. any time
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[6:20] <piney> in the mean time, im going to update my network to a long needed update to accomodate voip
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[6:20] <fr0g911> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1eGgjFd-eI&feature=youtube_gdata_playert
[6:21] <piney> time to update router and / or get a managed switch
[6:21] <fr0g911> lol my room is dirty btw
[6:21] <fr0g911> i have 9 pi's
[6:21] <fr0g911> that i didnt show running
[6:21] <fr0g911> they power all my devices
[6:21] <fr0g911> the ipad
[6:21] <fr0g911> the toshiba
[6:21] <fr0g911> the ipcams
[6:22] <fr0g911> all 6 of them
[6:22] <fr0g911> and charging my phone
[6:22] <piney> nice
[6:22] <piney> those are ptz cams?
[6:22] <fr0g911> yes
[6:22] <piney> you have PAD
[6:22] <piney> pi acquisition disorder
[6:22] <fr0g911> rofl
[6:22] <fr0g911> hhwhaha
[6:22] <fr0g911> never heard of that
[6:23] <fr0g911> i order one like almost everyday
[6:23] <piney> it's a disease
[6:23] <piney> pretty soon there will be addict meetings
[6:23] <piney> you are not alone
[6:23] <fr0g911> now your really gonna say something but...
[6:23] <piney> NOT alone :)
[6:23] <fr0g911> i have one i was working on to make my toast in the morning
[6:23] <piney> sweet
[6:23] <fr0g911> is that messed up
[6:23] <fr0g911> lol
[6:24] <piney> no it isn't
[6:24] <fr0g911> and coffee
[6:24] <piney> you can spend a few hours now to save you endless time in the future
[6:24] <fr0g911> even though i have a timer plug for them
[6:24] <piney> so worth it
[6:24] <fr0g911> i wanted to use the pi for it
[6:25] <SwK> where do I sign up for the PAD Support Group?
[6:25] <fr0g911> i feel every minute you can save everyday by the pi can add up into years of time you can spend with your family
[6:25] <piney> that's still in process
[6:25] <fr0g911> that should be a quote for pi
[6:26] <piney> newark.com mails me catalogs/flyers cause of my disorder
[6:27] <fr0g911> pi blocked my number on the 900 hotline
[6:27] <piney> lol
[6:27] <fr0g911> lol
[6:29] <fr0g911> oh so i split the cat5 line put 18volts to it then used the poe spliter to 5 volts to the cam and 5 volts to the pi
[6:30] <fr0g911> and used the 4 extra wires to connect to the routers
[6:30] <fr0g911> lol
[6:30] <piney> perfect
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[6:31] <piney> fr0g911, so, i want to get a network cam and put it in the woods, have a feed of what the weather is doing. maybe even put a bird feeder there, deer bait feeder there.
[6:31] <fr0g911> so you can use the extra 4 wires to power two pi's from a cat5 and then use the ethernet to plugin one
[6:31] <piney> going to stream that with the rest of my weather station data
[6:31] <fr0g911> thats a good idea
[6:31] <fr0g911> how far you going to run it
[6:32] <piney> yea, PoE and gigabit are the only things that use the other 4 wires
[6:32] <fr0g911> i found that 12volts can go about 55-60feet for a 5v ipcam
[6:32] <piney> any 10/100 is only 4 wires
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[6:33] <piney> about 150' to the wood line on my property, but going to be a long one
[6:33] <SwK> how do you do PoE with 10GE over Fiber?
[6:33] <piney> so between 150' and 328'
[6:33] <fr0g911> so 24volts dc is what you need
[6:33] <piney> thats a different protocol, not sure yet
[6:33] <piney> it's still new
[6:33] <fr0g911> 24 will get you over 300
[6:34] <piney> yea, definitely
[6:34] <fr0g911> well prob close to 450 im guessing
[6:34] <piney> even with some voltage drop, it will be above 12v
[6:34] <fr0g911> yea seems really easy
[6:34] <piney> if i add a heater, i might be drawing too much
[6:35] <piney> i got a few pelco housings, might as well use them
[6:36] <piney> heater is a resistor, gotta see the current draw
[6:36] <godzirra> so if I have a switch wired like this http://learn.adafruit.com/assets/887 to pin 1 for power, 6 for ground and 7 for gpio, shold I have a charge from pin 6 to 7 at all?
[6:36] <fr0g911> get a foscam go out there make a board on a tree where the cam can be mounted under it to weather proof it and bam your good to go
[6:36] <godzirra> Whether I'm pushing the button or not?
[6:37] <SwK> godzirra: you should see 0v on pin 7 when you are pushing the button, 3.3v there about when not pushing it
[6:37] <piney> godzirra, should see voltage when the button is not pushed in
[6:37] <godzirra> if I've got hte meter on pin 6 to ground it?
[6:38] <piney> between 6 and 7, not pushed in, voltage
[6:38] <SwK> yeah
[6:38] <godzirra> well crap.
[6:38] <piney> between 6 and 7, pushed in, no voltage
[6:40] <godzirra> with my meter on dcv, I get no steady anything between 6 and 7.
[6:40] <godzirra> pushed in or not.
[6:41] <piney> are the leads plugged in the right spot?
[6:41] <SwK> godzirra: what do you get measuring across the resistor?
[6:41] <godzirra> as in, actually on pin 6 and 7?
[6:42] <piney> and do you get voltage measuting from the + to the - pins?
[6:42] <godzirra> one moment
[6:42] <godzirra> 3.3v across the resistor
[6:42] <piney> as in common for black and volts for red compared to amps
[6:42] <godzirra> 3.29 actually
[6:42] <piney> ok
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[6:43] <piney> measure from pin 6 to another good ground
[6:44] <godzirra> Okay
[6:44] <godzirra> does it matter if positive or negative is on pin 6?
[6:44] <piney> digital multimeter?
[6:44] <godzirra> yes
[6:44] <piney> no, doesn't matter
[6:44] <piney> analog would try to peg the needle backwards
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[6:45] <godzirra> It just jumps around and doesn't give me a clear reading
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[6:45] <godzirra> when I measure from pin 6 to the housing of the power adapter
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[6:45] <piney> ok
[6:45] <piney> pin 1 is 5v? right?
[6:45] <piney> not 3v3?
[6:45] <piney> or is it 3v3?
[6:46] <piney> 3v3 = 3.3 volts
[6:46] <SwK> godzirra: double check your pinout with this http://www.doctormonk.com/2013/02/raspberry-pi-and-breadboard-raspberry.html
[6:46] <SwK> pin 1 is 3v3, pin2 is 5v0
[6:46] <piney> ok
[6:46] <godzirra> Okay. I'm using pin1 for power, pin 6 for ground and pin 7 for gpio
[6:47] <godzirra> double checking
[6:47] <godzirra> seems like pin 5 should be ground
[6:47] <godzirra> not pin 6.
[6:47] <godzirra> piney: R2, so what swk said.
[6:47] <godzirra> If I measure from my ground pin to another ground, should I get 0v?
[6:48] <piney> correct
[6:48] <piney> i was confirming voltages on each pin.
[6:48] <piney> make sure you are on the correct pins first
[6:48] <piney> then just jumping the multimeter around to different points can find a bad connection
[6:49] <godzirra> So based on the link SwK put up
[6:49] <godzirra> for an R2, I should be using 5 for ground
[6:49] <godzirra> 1 for poer, and whatever for gpio
[6:49] <piney> r1 and r2 shouldn't differ there
[6:50] <godzirra> They're totally different.
[6:50] <godzirra> According to the link SwK sent.
[6:50] <godzirra> There's only one ground on R1. There's 5 o n R2.
[6:50] <godzirra> Either way though... Measuring across pins 5 and 7, I get 11.4 mV until I hit the button, then it drops to 0
[6:50] <SwK> the link I sent is just a pretty little pic you can print out and use for reference
[6:50] <piney> but the one that's there didn't move
[6:50] <piney> this is what i go by: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
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[6:51] <godzirra> now I'm really confused.
[6:53] <godzirra> according to the elinux one, pin 6 is still ground, pin 7 is gpio 4, and pin 1 is still 3.3v
[6:53] <godzirra> so it should still work across pins 6-7, but it isn't.
[6:53] <piney> they both read the same
[6:53] <piney> both links
[6:54] <godzirra> Yes. And reading with pin 6 as ground and pin 7 as positive, I should get 3.3v
[6:54] <godzirra> but I'm not.
[6:54] <godzirra> button pushed or otherwise. :/
[6:54] <piney> ok godzirra lets confirm a few things
[6:54] <godzirra> Sure
[6:54] <piney> http://learn.adafruit.com/assets/887
[6:54] <godzirra> I'm a newb, so confirming is good.
[6:54] <piney> 3v3 is pin 1
[6:55] <ParkerR> I have a program that returns this output https://pastee.org/t34s5 I want to grep only the song title. How would I go about doing this?
[6:55] <godzirra> yup
[6:55] <piney> ground is pin 6
[6:55] <piney> gpio is pin 7
[6:55] <godzirra> yup
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[6:55] <godzirra> Correct.
[6:55] <ParkerR> It has other varient lines so can't just base off of that
[6:55] <piney> a resistor going from pin 1 to pin 6
[6:55] <godzirra> No.
[6:56] <godzirra> resistor is going from pin 1 to pin 8.
[6:56] <godzirra> pin 7
[6:56] <godzirra> sorry.
[6:56] <piney> pin 7
[6:56] <piney> yes, i did that wrong
[6:56] <SwK> ParkerR: does it always return 4 lines like that?
[6:56] <piney> ok
[6:56] <godzirra> Okay.
[6:56] <piney> so, multimeter from pin 1 to pin 6 should be 3v3
[6:56] <godzirra> uno momento por favor.
[6:56] <piney> read as close to the switch as you can
[6:57] <piney> like from the switch legs if possible
[6:57] <ParkerR> SwK, Naah that's the issue. Here's the full output https://pastee.org/b6rub
[6:57] <godzirra> okay, 1 to 6 on the board itself doesn't have 3.3v
[6:57] <godzirra> across the resistor it has 3.3v
[6:57] <godzirra> not sure where else to measure
[6:58] <piney> it should on the board
[6:58] <godzirra> It doesnt.
[6:58] <piney> cause your measuring from 3v3 to ground
[6:58] <godzirra> I got that.
[6:58] <godzirra> But its not.
[6:58] <piney> ok. your meter has an arrow on it?
[6:58] <piney> as a setting?
[6:58] <godzirra> 1-5 does measure 3.3v
[6:58] <godzirra> Yup. Arrow with a + in front?
[6:59] <godzirra> I guess its a diode symbol, iirc
[6:59] <piney> pin 5 is part of i2c, not sure what that should read
[6:59] <piney> yep
[6:59] <piney> made to check led's
[6:59] <piney> put it to that
[6:59] <godzirra> and pin 1-6 again?
[6:59] <piney> touch the two probes together make sure it reads about 0
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[7:00] <godzirra> it does
[7:00] <piney> then check the wires, make sure they have continuity
[7:00] <godzirra> All the wires?
[7:00] <piney> from the switch to where they should go on the gpio header
[7:00] <piney> yep
[7:00] <godzirra> okay
[7:00] <piney> should be about 0
[7:00] <SwK> ParkerR: grep -A1 title tmp |tail -n 1 |perl -n -e'/\"(.*)\"/ && print $1'
[7:01] <SwK> where tmp is the file containing the entire paste, or drop the tmp out and pipe the output through that line
[7:01] <SwK> ParkerR: ie: cat tmp | grep -A1 title |tail -n 1 |perl -n -e'/\"(.*)\"/ && print $1'
[7:02] <ParkerR> SwK, :O
[7:02] <ParkerR> I love you
[7:02] <godzirra> so I tested the switch wires to the bread board
[7:02] <godzirra> they measured 0
[7:02] <godzirra> should I be measuring something else as well?
[7:02] <piney> ok
[7:02] <piney> did this ever work?
[7:02] <godzirra> Funny story about that.
[7:02] <godzirra> Yes, I had a whole controller setup
[7:03] <godzirra> No connecting to power at all.
[7:03] <godzirra> Just a commmon ground between 10 switches
[7:03] <godzirra> and each switch directly to a gpio input
[7:03] <ParkerR> SwK, Thank you so much https://pastee.org/pbtd2
[7:03] <godzirra> Weirder, the common ground was pin 8
[7:03] <godzirra> which is apparently common for uinput for some reason
[7:03] <ParkerR> And that's perfect because I wasnt needing a newline
[7:03] <godzirra> I couldn't get 2 of the 10 s witches working which is when I came here and someone told me I was doing it all wrong
[7:04] <piney> godzirra, im thinking you fried something
[7:04] <piney> but, i think we can find what to an extent
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[7:04] <piney> how do you connect the pi to the breadboard, a cobbler or similar?
[7:04] <godzirra> Just a set of female jumper wires
[7:05] <godzirra> well, female->male
[7:05] <piney> ok
[7:05] <ParkerR> SwK, I hope someday I'm a wizard like you :D
[7:05] <ParkerR> :P
[7:05] <piney> are you confident enough to probe the gpio header with the multimeter probe without shorting another pin?
[7:05] <godzirra> Yup.
[7:06] <piney> ok, disconnect whats on the pi, and go from pin1 to pin6 for voltage
[7:06] <piney> get it off diode test
[7:06] <SwK> ParkerR: lol??? i just get stuck dealing with regex and perl due to my day job :P
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[7:06] <godzirra> back to dcv?
[7:06] <piney> yes
[7:06] <fr0g911> why is dalnet still around
[7:07] <godzirra> 1->6 seems about .18v
[7:07] <piney> ok, thats an issue. lets see if it's an issue with ground or 3.3v
[7:07] <piney> go from pin1 to the metal on the usb power
[7:07] <godzirra> 6->17 should be 3.3v still too right?
[7:08] <godzirra> k
[7:08] <piney> anything?
[7:08] <piney> yes
[7:08] <godzirra> 3.3v
[7:08] <piney> that was next :)
[7:08] <ParkerR> SwK, Ok new problem. Replacing title works with album but since artist is in another layout it doesnt return anything
[7:08] <piney> thats good
[7:08] <piney> go from 6 to 17 now
[7:08] <godzirra> nothing
[7:08] <piney> ok, 2 to pin 2? pin 2 is 5v
[7:09] <piney> no
[7:09] <piney> 6 to pin 2
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[7:09] <piney> i think pin 6 is bad
[7:09] <godzirra> Wait.
[7:09] <godzirra> 17 to the power housing doesn't show anything either.
[7:09] <piney> interesting
[7:09] <godzirra> 26 pins right?
[7:09] <piney> but 1 to power does?
[7:09] <godzirra> I'm noy trystfrf?
[7:09] <godzirra> ...
[7:09] <godzirra> wow.
[7:10] <SwK> ParkerR: string "xesam:artist" that element?
[7:10] <godzirra> I was typing "I'm not retarded?" and had my fingers on the wrong keys... freudian slip? :p
[7:10] <ParkerR> SwK, Yeah
[7:10] <godzirra> piney: 1 to power does, yes.
[7:10] <piney> what is pin 6 to pin 2?
[7:11] <SwK> ParkerR: just a minor change??? grep -A2 artist
[7:11] <godzirra> no connection between 6 and 2
[7:11] <godzirra> but 2 to power shows...
[7:11] <godzirra> 3.3v?!
[7:11] <godzirra> Thoroughly confused now.
[7:11] <piney> to to which power?
[7:11] <piney> two to which power?
[7:11] <godzirra> Two to the housing on the poer adapter.
[7:11] <godzirra> *power
[7:11] <SwK> ParkerR: so you know how it works -A flag on grep says show me the match line and the 2 lines after that???. the | tail -n 1 only show me the last line of that???. the | perl??? show me the stuff in " "
[7:12] <godzirra> A solid 3.3v
[7:12] <piney> you see tp1 and tp2?
[7:12] <piney> small holes on the board
[7:12] <godzirra> yup
[7:12] <piney> measure them please
[7:12] <piney> should be 5v
[7:12] <godzirra> From tp1 to tp2?
[7:12] <godzirra> or from tp1 to the power housing?
[7:12] <piney> yea
[7:12] <ParkerR> SwK, Ahh neat
[7:12] <godzirra> Which?
[7:12] <ParkerR> Artist works :D
[7:12] <piney> tp1 to tp1
[7:13] <piney> tp1 to tp2
[7:13] <piney> lol
[7:13] <godzirra> 4.78v
[7:13] <piney> thats a little low, but dont think it should affect this
[7:13] <godzirra> okay.
[7:13] <piney> most people would say you need a new power supply
[7:13] <piney> do you have another to test?
[7:14] <godzirra> Sure.
[7:14] <godzirra> one sec.
[7:14] <piney> wierd things can happen when it's too low
[7:14] <fr0g911> The red power LED should never blink, because it is hard-wired to the 3.3V power supply rail. If it is blinking, as one user has reported[1] it means the 5V power supply is dropping out. Use a different power supply.
[7:14] <godzirra> ha.
[7:14] <godzirra> this one is worse.
[7:14] <piney> good to know thats on the 3v3 side
[7:14] <godzirra> let me see if I have a third.
[7:15] <piney> what is the lowest voltage for a power supply? anyone know the number?
[7:15] <fr0g911> never seen it blink
[7:15] <piney> i think its 4.8
[7:16] <fr0g911> i think it is 4.8
[7:16] <fr0g911> i could test it
[7:16] <fr0g911> lol
[7:16] <fr0g911> i have so many power blocks that go under 5v
[7:16] <piney> i think cut out point would depend on set-up
[7:17] <godzirra> Looks like the best I have is 4.78
[7:18] <fr0g911> well lowest i have just under 5v is 4.5 and it wont load
[7:18] <godzirra> The other ones were lower.
[7:18] <godzirra> I had one at 4.54 and it worked fine
[7:18] <godzirra> at least as far as boothing up
[7:18] <godzirra> *Booting
[7:18] <godzirra> I didn't test past that
[7:18] <ParkerR> SwK, All of this is building to a now playing section in conky. All I have left is album art. Going to see if there is an online service that provides a url scheme like http://site.com/albumart/$ARTIST/$ALBUM.jpg (Doesnt have to be exactly that just soething of that nature)
[7:18] <godzirra> piney: I'm back on the original. The original is the highest one I have.
[7:18] <godzirra> Out of 3.
[7:18] <piney> ok
[7:19] <piney> so pin 6 to pin 2 is reading 3v3 still?
[7:19] <godzirra> one moment
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[7:20] <godzirra> no.
[7:20] <godzirra> 2 to 6 doesn't measure a connection
[7:21] <godzirra> 2 to the poer housing measures 3.3v
[7:21] <piney> that should read 5
[7:21] <piney> pin 3 is 5v too, try that one
[7:21] <piney> to a ground
[7:22] <godzirra> 3.3
[7:22] <piney> your pi is a 512mb pi, right?
[7:22] <fr0g911> GPIO voltage levels are 3.3 V and are not 5 V tolerant. There is no over-voltage protection on the board
[7:22] <godzirra> It is.
[7:22] <godzirra> 512mb.
[7:23] <godzirra> oh crap.
[7:23] <piney> you have a broken pi, just not sure where the broke is
[7:23] <godzirra> I think I'm an idiot.
[7:23] <godzirra> one sec.
[7:23] <piney> oh?
[7:23] <fr0g911> lol
[7:23] <godzirra> sigh.
[7:23] <fr0g911> watch its gonna be something simple
[7:24] <godzirra> Who the heck counts pins ACROSS instead of DOWN!?
[7:24] * godzirra sighs.
[7:24] <piney> lol
[7:24] <fr0g911> rofl
[7:24] <SwK> godzirra: measure resistance across the polyfuse
[7:24] <piney> cool
[7:24] <tzarc> turn the board 90?? and they'll be down
[7:24] <godzirra> I swear... like 3 days I've been working on this =p
[7:24] <godzirra> I'm used to micro chips
[7:24] <godzirra> which count long ways.
[7:24] <tzarc> oh I know
[7:24] <piney> never noticed they were different
[7:24] <piney> but they are
[7:24] <godzirra> This has been driving me freaking crazy.
[7:24] <godzirra> So yeah..
[7:24] <piney> cool
[7:25] <godzirra> pin 2 measures 4.8 volts =p
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[7:25] <piney> good
[7:25] <godzirra> I bet if I plug stuff into the right place, it works amazingly well =p
[7:25] <piney> and pin 1 3v3?
[7:25] <godzirra> Yup.
[7:25] <piney> cool
[7:25] <piney> ok
[7:25] <piney> now
[7:25] <fr0g911> http://elinux.org/images/6/61/RPi_P1_header.png
[7:25] <piney> do it like you originally tried
[7:25] <godzirra> I wsa looking at the green image on elinux going "Wait... why does it say 25 and 26 at the bottom?"
[7:25] <piney> no resistor
[7:25] <godzirra> Yeah, testing it now.
[7:26] <fr0g911> that might of helped
[7:26] <piney> some have pull-up's built in
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[7:26] <fr0g911> hey piney
[7:26] <piney> well, only 2 now that i look
[7:27] <piney> hey fr0g911
[7:27] <fr0g911> so i have an i-sobot
[7:27] <piney> so external pull-up's are required on all pins except the i2c pins
[7:27] <fr0g911> what do you think the pi can do with it
[7:27] <fr0g911> its infra red
[7:27] <godzirra> hey wow.
[7:27] <godzirra> would you look at that. =p
[7:27] * godzirra sighs.
[7:28] <godzirra> 3 DAYS. lol
[7:28] <fr0g911> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNU8VqJv9iI
[7:28] <godzirra> I seriously fail at reading docs.
[7:28] <piney> not sure fr0g911, not too into robotics yet
[7:28] <fr0g911> lol
[7:29] <godzirra> Alrighty.
[7:29] <godzirra> going to try and wireup the whole thing real quick
[7:29] <piney> tasks things like that can do are so blah lol
[7:29] <piney> one day that stuff will be cool tho
[7:29] <fr0g911> i think i can make the robot dougy
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[7:30] <fr0g911> i want the robot to make me dinner
[7:30] <piney> i have problems finding humans who know how to cook, let alone robots
[7:31] <fr0g911> well i can cook lol
[7:31] <piney> i love cooking, well i love eating, so i cook
[7:31] <fr0g911> but i dont eat meat
[7:31] <piney> i can't do that diet
[7:32] <piney> yea, need to know how to cook to do that
[7:32] <fr0g911> yea hahahah
[7:32] <piney> i like a few vegetarian meals, but can't live like that
[7:32] <piney> love my meat too much
[7:33] <fr0g911> i need to get another gf that can cook atleast one thing shes never even used the microwave
[7:34] <piney> that wouldn't bother me most of the time
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[7:36] <fr0g911> well when you've worked 12hrs get home have to clean the dishes make her dinner then clean the dishes again goto bed and goto work in the morning it would everyday
[7:39] <piney> i don't do dishes, yea. that would get to me
[7:40] <piney> if i cook, someone else does dishes. if they cook, someone else does dishes
[7:40] <piney> so i cook
[7:40] <godzirra> alrighty guys.
[7:41] <godzirra> thanks tons for pointing out the error of my ways. I'm off to bed. :)
[7:41] <piney> night godzirra
[7:41] <Chetic> I shared a win7 folder with full read/write access to everyone but why can I only read from it from the pi? attempts to write say permission denied
[7:41] <godzirra> Thanks again . I seriously appreciate it. :)
[7:41] <piney> you can sleep well knowing you got it now
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[7:41] <zirra-away> Hehe
[7:41] <zirra-away> Yeah.
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[7:45] <fr0g911> im going to bed also
[7:46] <fr0g911> i can sleep well knowing i got all my stuff done
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[7:53] <ParkerR> SwK, Here's what I have so far. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri7WZbFSMO4 Have yet to do cover art
[7:54] <SwK> ParkerR: thats pretty cool
[7:55] <SwK> wheres the output to the LCD on the RPi tho :P
[7:55] <ParkerR> SwK, :P
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[8:03] <ron3090> Has anyone had experience with mplayer for audio files in raspbian?
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[8:08] <ParkerR> ron3090, Kinda. What's up?
[8:09] <ron3090> I want to be able to play all the audio files in a folder and its subfolders, and omxplayer won't. Somebody suggested mplayer, but from what I just tried it doesn't seem to do that either.
[8:10] <Jck_true> ron3090: What format audio?
[8:10] <ron3090> OpenELEC supports it, but I want to be able to do this while using raspbian.
[8:10] <ron3090> mp3 mostly
[8:10] <ron3090> some aac
[8:10] <ParkerR> ron3090, http://skriticos.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-to-play-sound-files-recursively.html
[8:10] <Jck_true> you could try aplay
[8:11] <ParkerR> ~/Music being the base folder
[8:11] <ron3090> I'm currently looking at mpd, but it seems like a huge hassle.
[8:11] <ParkerR> Or http://thinkmoult.com/2009/07/22/tech-tip-2-mplayer-play-music-recursively-in-a-directory/
[8:12] <Jck_true> MPD is nice if you get it setup right
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[8:12] <Jck_true> 200mb updates... I gotta run apt-get upgrade a bit more often...
[8:13] <ron3090> It's especially nice because I found a guide that tells how to get rid of the pop between songs with it
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[8:15] <ron3090> hm
[8:15] <ron3090> it seems that installing pulseaudio may have messed up the sound
[8:15] <ron3090> not getting any output from mplayer
[8:19] <Jck_true> Add new start_x.elf with expeimenal support for more free codecs.
[8:19] <Jck_true> Some support for MJPEG, VP6, VP8, Ogg Theora and Ogg Vorbis.
[8:20] <Jck_true> ^^ <3 Nice one
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[11:18] <alex88> hello guys, yesterday I had my rpi back from RMA, it started with an sd with raspbmc on it, then I've formatted with occidentalis, it was just blinking one time the green led and nothing more, tested about 4-5 times with dd with different settings, same.. now after I've formatted in FAT and added the raspbian installer it just lights the red led, no green blink anymore.. any idea?
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[11:28] <ShiftPlusOne> alex88, what's the full command you use to write the disc image?
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[11:28] <alex88> ShiftPlusOne: dd bs=4M if=/Occidentalispath.img of=/dev/sdb
[11:29] <alex88> tried also with 1M
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[11:29] <alex88> tried also to get it back and sha1 is the sam
[11:29] <alex88> *same
[11:29] <ShiftPlusOne> looks fine to me
[11:29] <alex88> tried also after removing parts manually with fdisk
[11:30] <alex88> hope to not have to send to RMA again
[11:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Since it worked before, I don't think it's a pi issue.
[11:31] <alex88> I'll try this evening with another sd card, but seems strange that it worked on the same before the flash
[11:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Does everything look ok after you dd the image? dd, re-insert the card and check the content. Does it have two partitions and does the first partition have the firmware and kernel?
[11:32] <alex88> ShiftPlusOne: yup, and I've tried also to dd'ing back and sha1sum the content of the extraction from the sd
[11:32] <alex88> they match
[11:32] <alex88> also, before raspbmc it worked fine also occidentalis on that sd
[11:32] <alex88> maybe it needs a full dd if=/dev/zero?
[11:33] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, shouldn't. When you dd the image, you overwrite everything that needs to be overwritten anyway.
[11:33] <alex88> but I think that since it already overwrite the partition table the rest of the sd is garbage
[11:33] <alex88> yeah..
[11:33] <alex88> strange part is that now it neither blinks green once
[11:34] <ShiftPlusOne> any chance you've got dust in the sd holder or the card is cracked and making bad contact or something like that?
[11:35] <Viper-7> Tried other cards?
[11:35] <alex88> ShiftPlusOne: mmhh it should be created in about 20 mins of testing... I'll check that too
[11:35] <Viper-7> I'd certainly try that before even thinking RMA :S
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[11:35] <alex88> Viper-7: not yet, this evening I'll test that too, but sd broken from a flash to another? it was perfectly working on this pi before flashing again with occidentalis
[11:36] <ShiftPlusOne> If you can get your hands on a pi that you know works fine, you could try that card in the working pi.
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[11:36] <Viper-7> If its old maybe? And the pi can be picky
[11:37] <alex88> ShiftPlusOne: I've just that one, maybe I can ask a friend...
[11:37] * alex88 adds that to the todo
[11:37] <alex88> Viper-7: 2yo sd
[11:37] <Viper-7> You really should get at least some kind of flash from the green light tho
[11:37] <alex88> it did for the first 5-6 times
[11:37] <Viper-7> They only last a certain number of writes
[11:38] <alex88> now neither that green blink
[11:38] <Viper-7> Should be like 10000, but still limited
[11:38] <alex88> Viper-7: but dd shows correct sha1
[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> If the firmware isn't found (because it's probably not even reading the card properly), then it wouldn't flash at all. It would be very dimly lit.
[11:38] <alex88> after reading
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[11:39] <Viper-7> Not from the pi
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[11:40] <Viper-7> Different driver chip, different voltage levels, maybe even different speeds
[11:40] <alex88> Viper-7: so you think PI reads it bad?
[11:40] <Viper-7> Its possible
[11:40] <alex88> ShiftPlusOne: "It would be very dimly lit" what that means? (sorry not that good with english)
[11:40] <alex88> Viper-7: ok, I'll test with another sd for sure
[11:40] <alex88> I'll let you know after lunch :)
[11:40] <ShiftPlusOne> alex88, what language?
[11:41] <alex88> ShiftPlusOne: me? Italian.. google translate got it :) btw yeah, it's neither a soft light.. totally death now
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[11:41] <alex88> also waited some hours as stated in the forums
[11:41] <Viper-7> I know from my experience with corrupt images, even with a blank sd, it should flash very briefly
[11:41] <Viper-7> Versus nothing at all with no card
[11:42] <alex88> Viper-7: ok so let's hope it's a bad sd car
[11:42] <alex88> *card
[11:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Viper-7, and if you have a card, but no bootcode.bin?
[11:42] <alex88> hope the sd reader of the pi isn't broken
[11:42] <Viper-7> That would fall under the blank category yes
[11:42] <ShiftPlusOne> ah... missed that whole part >.>
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[11:43] <ShiftPlusOne> hm, can't verify right now, but I'll take your word for it.
[11:43] <drizztbsd> hi, is there any way to use i2s or gpio for spdif?
[11:43] <drizztbsd> I think I don't need to use a DAC
[11:43] <Viper-7> I cant promise it always happens, but it sure did for me (in dozens of tests)
[11:44] <alex88> ok thank you both ShiftPlusOne, Viper-7! I'll do these tests asap and let you know
[11:44] <ShiftPlusOne> good luck
[11:45] <malik> is there an implementation for h264 encode using openmax?
[11:46] <mjr> There's some test code on the forums if you search for it. Don't know if there's anything you'd actually want to use.
[11:47] <malik> ok, thanks
[11:47] <Viper-7> Drizztbsd: nope
[11:48] <drizztbsd> Viper-7: so should I use an usb audio card with spdif out?
[11:48] <drizztbsd> do you know if raspbmc supports it natively?
[11:49] <Viper-7> Or an i2s to spdif adapter, or just use the hdmi
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[11:49] <Jck_true> ""The EPID is used only to seperate networks. So In a way it's much like SSID only SSID can't be used to seperate networks""
[11:50] <Jck_true> Sometimes you really gotta ignore marketing buzz :D
[11:50] <Viper-7> I dont use raspbmc
[11:50] <drizztbsd> Viper-7: my tv does not want to passthrough ac3 and dts from HDMI to optical spdif, so I need to use spdif on raspberry :(
[11:51] <Viper-7> Get a real sound system then :P
[11:51] <Viper-7> Aka a receiver
[11:52] <SStrife> He might have a receiver that just doesn't have HDMI
[11:52] <drizztbsd> yes, I have an old receiver (onkio)
[11:52] <drizztbsd> only spdif (optical and coaxial)
[11:53] <Viper-7> Heh
[11:53] <Viper-7> One with hdmi :P
[11:53] <SStrife> same scenario as me actually, I have a receiver that was the dog's bollocks when it was new, no hdmi
[11:53] <SStrife> and a TV that doesn't do HDMI passthru
[11:53] <drizztbsd> yes
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[11:54] <drizztbsd> and hdmi to spdif is too expensive
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[11:54] <drizztbsd> SStrife: do you use an usb audio card?
[11:55] <SStrife> nah, I just use Pi's onboard stereo
[11:55] <SStrife> but I don't use it for movies, so it's adequate
[11:56] <Viper-7> I2s to spdif is quite possible
[11:57] <Viper-7> Most any FPGA could do it
[11:57] <drizztbsd> actually I'm using it with hdmi output but without passthrough with overclock 950mhz (or DTS decoding does not work)
[11:57] <drizztbsd> or better, it works choppy :P
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[12:00] <KebabBob> I'm trying to use this thing over i2c on my pi... http://www.digole.com/index.php?productID=531 I already managed to detect it on the i2c bus with i2cdetect -y 1.. What python library do people use to communicate over i2c?
[12:01] <drizztbsd> KebabBob: python-smbus ?
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> morning raspberry pips!
[12:04] <KebabBob> hmm
[12:04] <KebabBob> Seems to have very little documentation..
[12:04] <drizztbsd> http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-I2C-Python/step5/Example-1-CMPS03-Compass-Module/
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> sometimes you need to read the instructions and write your own code. don't be afraid to experiment.
[12:09] <Viper-7> Wait, you need to read documentation to write code?
[12:09] <Viper-7> No wai! :P
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[12:12] <drizztbsd> Viper-7: lol
[12:12] <drizztbsd> I'm an embedded developer, I don't comment code :P
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[12:12] <Viper-7> Documentation isnt just comments...
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[12:13] <Viper-7> Never read a spec? Heh
[12:13] <drizztbsd> ni
[12:13] <drizztbsd> you can use doxygen
[12:13] <drizztbsd> (and I often read data sheet :P)
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[12:24] <doomydot> Hey, I'm pretty new to Pi's and Linux as a whole. Already got a pi running xbmc and just ordered my second. Thought of using it as a development environment, wich pi distro would be recommended for me?
[12:25] <mjr> the generic raspbian
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> what he said..
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> it's the best supported one at present.
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> and it's also Debian which has a huge amount of online support too.
[12:26] <doomydot> Aha, I heard something about Adafruit webIDE, that looked interesting
[12:27] <SisterScarab> WebIDE looks nice, it's an Alpha though!!
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[12:28] <doomydot> I see, I'll just get two sdcards and try both out
[12:29] <SisterScarab> Good idea...
[12:31] <doomydot> In any case, thank you kind people!
[12:32] <SisterScarab> I have so many SD cards??? I keep forgetting what's on them.
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> Get a sharpie pen :)
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[12:36] <SisterScarab> Sharpies are too thick :) I'll get some little labels
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[12:38] <coolhongly> Actually what have u guys done with raspi?
[12:39] <mjr> pretty close to nothing
[12:39] <Jck_true> coolhongly: Nothing at all! I've just stared at it in it's box!
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[12:39] <DDave> coolhongly, using it as a small server
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> mine is running a quassel server
[12:40] <SpeedEvil> mainly
[12:41] <coolhongly> Well...Anyone tried those pins?
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[12:42] <nid0> lots of people use gpio for all sorts
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[12:43] <neilr> I used the GPIO pins to read a thermometer and control a desk fan.
[12:43] <coolhongly> that's cool neilr
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[12:44] <Jck_true> coolhongly: I use GPIO pins to power on and off an ATX power supply - and to show the time on a 7-segment display
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[12:46] <coolhongly> Jck_true nice one
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[12:47] <Jck_true> Oh and lirc_rpi for decoding a custom remote
[12:48] <RoyK> any idea how much current one can draw from a 74HC245 buffer before frying it?
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[12:48] <Jck_true> RoyK: Check the data sheets :)
[12:49] <SStrife> You'll likely find the answer to be: "not much"
[12:49] <RoyK> I did, but I haven't read such datasheets for over a decade, and I'm a bit confused
[12:49] <SStrife> obviously the safe road is to use it to switch on a BJT or mosfet
[12:49] <Jck_true> 70mA
[12:50] <Jck_true> http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/74HC_HCT245.pdf - Section 8
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[12:54] <Viper-7> HC != HCT
[12:55] <Viper-7> Ahh the ds has both
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> you never ever use absolute maximum figures to design to
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> they are the values which will not kill the chip dead in 10s
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> it may be permanently affected, and may not work under those conditions
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[12:58] <SpeedEvil> 6ma per pin is recommended
[12:58] <SpeedEvil> ish
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[13:44] <gordonDrogon> Hm. that reminds me - got to test some 595's with the new wiringPi..
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[14:48] <alex88> ShiftPlusOne: so, I've formatted with gparted another sd, created a 1gb fat32 partition after recreating partition table using ms-dos format, green led blinked again (before there was only a red light) but nothing more...
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[14:54] <marl_scot> alex88, what is it your trying to do? boot to the sd card?
[14:55] <alex88> marl_scot: yup
[14:55] <alex88> I had an sd card with raspbmc, it worked fine on the rpi when it returned from RMA
[14:55] <alex88> then I've formatted using dd with occidentalis
[14:56] <marl_scot> why are you trying format the card instead of using a downloaded image?
[14:56] <alex88> sha1 of both the .img and the back-dd from the usb match
[14:56] <alex88> marl_scot: since I've tried to format in fat32 and put the raspbian installer on it
[14:56] <alex88> as stated in the huide
[14:56] <alex88> *guide
[14:56] <marl_scot> the win raspbien installer?
[14:57] <marl_scot> whats the link to the guide you are using?
[14:58] <marl_scot> most of the time when installing a distro on an sd card, you run the equifilant to dd to push the contents of an img file directly into the sdcar
[14:58] <marl_scot> sdcard
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[15:02] <alex88> marl_scot: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller this one, I've tried with both dd with the occidentalis image and with the copy/paste method of the raspbian installer
[15:02] <alex88> sorry for the confusion
[15:02] <alex88> the dd command was about the occidentalis image
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[15:04] <marl_scot> what is your main computers os? win or linux?
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[15:07] <marl_scot> normally i grab the raspbian image from this page : http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads unzip the file, and this gives me an .img file, then i use (under linux) : dd if=raspbian-image.img of=/dev/sdd
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[15:07] <marl_scot> (presuming that sdd is your sdcard, you need to be VERY carefully about this, as you can whipe your local drive if you get this wrong!)
[15:08] <alex88> marl_scot: I'm now on mac but the tests I did were on linux, with the Occidentalis img (which worked before), dd bs=4M if=/imgpath of=/dev/sdb
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[15:08] <marl_scot> if you have windows, then use the win32diskimager as referaced o the ame page
[15:09] <alex88> marl_scot... I'm on mac but I did the flash on linux
[15:09] <alex88> where was windows? :D
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[15:09] <marl_scot> alex88, if you did the dd command to a new card, and the pi wont boot still, then you may have a faulty pi :(
[15:09] <alex88> marl_scot: it returned from RMA yesterday :(
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[15:09] <alex88> and the first boot on that sd worked
[15:09] <marl_scot> did you say you just got this card as an rma or the pi?
[15:09] <IT_Sean> Did you try a different SD card?
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[15:10] <alex88> marl_scot: the pi
[15:11] <alex88> IT_Sean: yup, not brand new but I've tried using the raspbian installer on the fat32 partition
[15:11] <alex88> since the card is just 1gb size
[15:11] <marl_scot> and was this card you are using now, the one that was in th epi when it got trashed?
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[15:14] <alex88> marl_scot: the card it first booted was the old one I used for the pi before it gone to RMA, now I'm using a card never used on the pi
[15:14] <marl_scot> ah ok, i have had big problems with chiken/egg between cards and pi's
[15:15] <m82> Hello, I have googled a bit and I cannot find anywhere if it is possible to get a raspberry pi to function as both a small webserver and mailserver? I would like to set up an online resume and have access to a private email for family friends and possible future employers. Thank you.
[15:15] <marl_scot> i have had several pi's go down at the same time as there cards, and have never been able to work out if the card took the pi or the pi took the card!
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[15:17] <marl_scot> m82, it can work like that very easily. Just look for a howto install a web server and mail server, and follow its instructions after getting your pi running with something like raspbian
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[15:17] <marl_scot> alex88, do you know anyone who has a pi locally? that you could test your new sd card on to see if it works on theres
[15:17] <m82> mark_scot: Awesome, thank you.
[15:18] <alex88> marl_scot: eheh :) yeah, maybe I should ask him to do a check with that card
[15:18] <marl_scot> m82, if your looking for how tos, i would recomend 'postfix' as the mail server (easier to setup than sendmail imho)
[15:19] <marl_scot> m82, and ether apache2 or lighttpd for your webserver
[15:19] <marl_scot> alex88, dont give him the card that you had in your old pi! just try the new one that you have only had in this pi
[15:19] <alex88> marl_scot: nope?
[15:20] <marl_scot> i have suspected that one of my cards may have trashed 2 pi's when trying to boot to it
[15:20] <alex88> marl_scot: really? btw old pi just had 2 non working gpio ports, wasn't death
[15:20] <marl_scot> unfortunatly, i had a couple of cards sitting on the bench, and cant be 100% positive which one went into the second pi, but ether way it blew as well
[15:20] <m82> marl_scot, (sorry i tabbed too quick on your nick) thank you again!
[15:21] <alex88> marl_scot: throw them in the bin :)
[15:21] <alex88> how can pi be so delicate?
[15:21] <IT_Sean> Aye... put both of 'em in the bin.
[15:22] <marl_scot> thats what i have done, i now have a policy that if a board goes while a card is in it, the whole lot gets put it he RMA pile, dont normally return the cards, but bi them anyway now
[15:22] <IT_Sean> Get a new card
[15:22] <IT_Sean> Do not use either of those cards in another pi
[15:23] <marl_scot> alex88, the pi is very delicate over current draw, so the only thing i have thougth about could have been some kind of short int he card, that pulled to much from the pi, but then again, i can not be 100% certain it was the same card between the pi's
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[15:24] <DDave> Stupid question of the day, should one add fuses to the GPIO?
[15:25] <IT_Sean> o_O
[15:25] <atouk> little tiny ones?
[15:25] <IT_Sean> Yup. Pretty sure you are right. That is the stupid question of the day.
[15:26] <IT_Sean> TBH, i have a feeling that in the event you try to overdraw a GPIO pin, by the time the fuse blows, the damage would be done.
[15:26] <IT_Sean> That's just my guess, though.
[15:26] <DDave> IT_Sean, I make it my mission to ask one stupid question a day
[15:26] <DDave> atouk, yep the tiny ones
[15:26] <alex88> marl_scot: yeah :( seems that way
[15:27] <atouk> i have some 1/200 amp fuses
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[15:31] <vibhav> Is it sensible to tape the gpio pins which are used internally by the pi?
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[15:35] <atouk> anything that avoids letting the smoke out is sensible
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[15:36] <IT_Sean> Yeah... 's really expensive to put the magical blue smoke back in.
[15:38] <alex88> marl_scot: haven't you sent those pi to RMA?
[15:41] <marl_scot> alex88, my pi's have been rma'd just not the cards
[15:41] <alex88> marl_scot: oh ok sure, thanks
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[15:47] <SimonJ57> Evening, Is anyone on?
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[15:48] * PhotoJim is on, but it's morning here so he is at work :)
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[15:48] <IT_Sean> <-- at work as well.
[15:48] <atouk> on? on what? does caffiene count?
[15:49] <SimonJ57> Just a quick question, say if I had a 8GB or larger SD card, doesn't Win disk imager fill it up?
[15:49] <atouk> ony copies what the original image is
[15:49] <atouk> you have to expand the filesystem to fill the rest
[15:50] <mjr> raspbian has a tool for doing that after you boot it up
[15:50] <SimonJ57> atouk: Cheers, Expanding the FS shouldn't do any harm to the SD card, especially like formatting, right?
[15:50] <atouk> nope
[15:50] <atouk> err, right
[15:52] <SimonJ57> mjr: Nice, Long sotry short, I finally have an SD(HC) Card reader, I got a card reader, so old, it still has a FDD, that couldn't read the newer standard.
[15:52] <SimonJ57> mjr: Worried that I'd be loosing out on nearly 3.5+Gb of space.
[15:52] <mjr> nah, the space is easily claimable
[15:53] <PhotoJim> worst case scenario anyway, you could add another partition in that empty space, but the resizing tool will let you assign that empty space to the main root partition.
[15:53] <SimonJ57> Good, good, One last one, I have a 4Gb class-10 and a 8Gb Class-4, would the write speeds seem negligable if I use the larger SD card?
[15:53] <atouk> installing raspbian?
[15:53] <SimonJ57> yes
[15:53] <SimonJ57> I might use one of these cards I have to have a peek at RISC OS.
[15:53] <atouk> then rasp-config has a selection for expanding the filesystem
[15:54] <atouk> painless
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[15:54] <mjr> the class rating may be misleading for pi use (random vs. sequential access), theoretically the class 4 one might be faster (though it's probably likelier to be the slower one)
[15:55] <mjr> I'd recommend just trying if the speed is sufficient in practicec if you want the space
[15:56] <mjr> (apropos speed, pi's sd interface will also max out at 20MB/s, making very fast cards pointless)
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[15:59] <atouk> moving rootfs to a usb drive or thumbdrive helps if you need speed or spacek. also less prone to corruption if overclocking
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[16:02] <SimonJ57> mjr: Cheers, I'll see how it goes, Any experience in this "scratch" language?
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[16:03] <SimonJ57> atouk: I'm just going to leave the Pi as it is, as useful as OCing is, I might wait until I'm more experienced before I do more advanced experimenting.
[16:03] <mjr> nope
[16:04] <SimonJ57> mjr: Cheers anyway, Thanks to everyone for their help, See you soon, if I mess-up badly.
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[16:13] <SwK> sweet
[16:14] <SwK> just gotta call from Newark/Element14 lol appears they detected by PAD problems in spending habits lol
[16:14] <SwK> and they gave me a 15% discount on my next order lol
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[16:18] <GriffenJBS> Has anyone made progress on a X11 video driver?
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[16:38] <netw1z> kinda want some pizza
[16:38] <netw1z> must resist
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[16:40] <Hodapp> why?
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[16:43] <eggy> Newark/Element14 delayed my order shipment another month..
[16:43] <DeliriumTremens> MCM was quickdraw with the delivery
[16:44] <SwK> eggy: Pi order?
[16:44] <eggy> yea
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[16:45] <SwK> i got my last batch pretty quick from them
[16:46] <SwK> they said like 5 weeks out and delivered in like 3
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[16:53] <eggy> hopefully it'll change again, they originally said it would ship yesterday (I didn't believe it would -- this being my second pi)
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[16:58] <IncognitoMan> DeliriumTremens: is MCM actually shipping the orders?
[16:59] <IncognitoMan> i see they are on stock and am looking at picking up another rPI
[16:59] <DeliriumTremens> they shipped mine *shrug*
[16:59] <DeliriumTremens> i ordered mine about 6 weeks ago and got it about 5 weeks ago
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[17:01] <IncognitoMan> DeliriumTremens: im asking as newark had sent me a message saying they were back in stock and just as i was going to place the order showed up as backordered
[17:01] <IncognitoMan> while apparently MCM ( which seems to be their sister site ) has them in stock
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[17:36] <GranoSalis> hi
[17:36] <fr0g911> hi
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[17:37] <GranoSalis> does someone know which site ships raspberries to Bosnia?
[17:41] <fr0g911> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Linux-Model-B-512MB-REV-2-WORLD-SHIPPING-/290874630205?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b97aa03d
[17:43] <GranoSalis> could you maybe shorten the link?I'm having problems copying it
[17:43] <fr0g911> what os you using
[17:43] <fr0g911> just double click the link
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[17:44] <GranoSalis> weechat
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> http://url.drogon.net/1d <-- slightly shorter link for that ebay link...
[17:44] <GranoSalis> it display the link in 3 lines lol
[17:44] <GranoSalis> fr0g911: gordonDrogon thanks
[17:44] <fr0g911> thanks gordonDrogon
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[17:45] <markveidemanis> .Hi
[17:45] <markveidemanis> Who can help me
[17:45] <drizztbsd> almost-OT: is it better OpenELEC or Raspbmc?
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[17:45] <fr0g911> depends on what you need help with markedathome
[17:45] <fr0g911> ors markveidemanis
[17:46] <fr0g911> i cant help with money
[17:46] <fr0g911> im broke
[17:46] <markveidemanis> I just got a PI and dont know how to connect it
[17:46] <Nik05> put the powercable in
[17:46] <fr0g911> and the hdmi cable
[17:46] <fr0g911> and the sdcard
[17:46] <fr0g911> with the image on it
[17:46] <fr0g911> and a keyboard
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[17:46] <drizztbsd> and the network cable (usually) :P
[17:46] <markveidemanis> do i have to put the HDMI in?
[17:46] <IT_Sean> If you want video
[17:47] <markveidemanis> it wont mount the SD
[17:47] <fr0g911> or you can use the other video
[17:47] <IT_Sean> lets start from the beginning, markveidemanis. Have you put your OS on the SD card yet?
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[17:47] <markveidemanis> no
[17:47] <markveidemanis> it wont mount
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> use http://url.drogon.net/ if you like, but no guarantees of link longevity :)
[17:47] <IT_Sean> It won't mount on your computer?
[17:48] <fr0g911> you have to make the image onto the disk from your computer
[17:48] <IT_Sean> you need to write the image to the SD card using your computer before you can use the SD card to boot your raspi
[17:48] <fr0g911> unless you bought one that was already on the disk
[17:48] <markveidemanis> ok
[17:48] <markveidemanis> so i put on a .iso?
[17:49] <markveidemanis> i want lubuntu...
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[17:49] <fr0g911> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4751&sid=6c975623473ce6c8bbf8826a74fe1d80
[17:49] <fr0g911> gordonDrogon alittle help
[17:49] <fr0g911> lol
[17:49] <IT_Sean> you need to download the OS image, and then write it to the card. Use an image writing utility, or do it from the command line with dd. There is a how - to on the website, markveidemanis
[17:49] <markveidemanis> i have the iso from when i was installing ubuntu, can i use that?
[17:49] <IT_Sean> Sorry, im not familair with lubuntu
[17:50] <fr0g911> no markveidemanis thats for pc
[17:50] <IT_Sean> No, you need something written for the ARM architecture the Pi uses.
[17:50] <IT_Sean> I would recommend raspbian
[17:51] <fr0g911> goto http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads and download Raspbian ???wheezy???
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[17:51] <fr0g911> your also gonna need to use the win32diskimager to write the image to the sdcard
[17:51] <fr0g911> https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download
[17:52] <fr0g911> after image is downloaded plug your sdcard into the computer run the image writer point it to the sd card and the image and click write
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[17:55] <markveidemanis> i think i already have an OS for it
[17:56] <IT_Sean> What OS?
[17:57] <regis> I'm struggling with FreeBSD 10 on raspi but it's an awful experience
[17:57] <IT_Sean> markveidemanis: What OS do you have, and where is it (is it already on the SD card?)
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[17:58] <regis> Anyway, as compilling anything on raspi takes years, I've put out some packages: http://ya.rly.so/raspi/freebsd10/pkgs/
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[17:59] <fr0g911> site takes years to load
[17:59] <fr0g911> lol
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[18:00] <regis> OVH in Canada :/
[18:00] <drizztbsd> ovh ftw!
[18:00] <fr0g911> must be bad jumps to me cant connect to it
[18:01] <regis> drizztbsd: Cheap dedic for torrenting.
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[18:02] <drizztbsd> http://www.edis.at/en/server/colocation/austria/raspberrypi/
[18:02] <drizztbsd> do you know that? :P
[18:03] <regis> Oh, but it's not raspi I'm leasing there.
[18:04] <regis> It's an i5 with FreeBSD that I need for vary of purpouses
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[18:07] <fr0g911> didnt know they were trying to make ubuntu for pi
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[18:09] <kkit> fr0g911, you can run any distribution with a little work, as long as it's compiled for arm
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[18:10] <kkit> depending on your definition of 'a little work'
[18:10] <fr0g911> awwww
[18:10] <fr0g911> just read this
[18:10] <fr0g911> We thought that we would try to use Ubuntu ??? Ubuntu???s a very professional-looking system. The problem with Ubuntu, it turned out, was that Ubuntu???s organisation ??? Canonical ??? had decided to drop support for ARM earlier than ARMv7. They???re only supporting Cortex-class ARM processors, and we don???t have a Cortex-class processor, we have an ARM11
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[18:15] <hellsing> drizztbsd, what the heck is raspi colocation?
[18:15] <drizztbsd> http://trick77.com/2012/07/02/colocating-a-raspberry-pi-debian-server-in-a-data-center/
[18:16] <drizztbsd> you send your rasp to him and they put it on network (100gb/month traffic)
[18:17] <hellsing> oh ok
[18:18] <fr0g911> hell you can send me it and i'll hook it up to my network
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[18:19] <hellsing> can be interesting when you need data traffic
[18:19] <fr0g911> heck*
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[18:20] <gordonDrogon> fr0g911, Don't you think Debian is a very professional looking system?
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[18:22] <fr0g911> yes lol i used to be a freebsd only kinda guy
[18:23] <kkit> one of THOSE people ;)
[18:23] <piney> lol
[18:23] <fr0g911> lol
[18:23] <drizztbsd> fr0g911: what is freebsd? :P
[18:23] <kkit> you can run freebsd on your pi!
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[18:23] * drizztbsd is joking
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[18:24] <fr0g911> FreeBSD?? is an advanced operating system for modern server, desktop, and embedded computer platforms. FreeBSD's code base has undergone over thirty years of continuous development, improvement, and optimization. It is developed and maintained by a large team of individuals. FreeBSD provides advanced networking, impressive security features, and world class performance and is used by some
[18:24] <fr0g911> of the world's busiest web sites and most pervasive embedded networking and storage devices.
[18:24] <drizztbsd> fr0g911: my nick is drizztBSD :)
[18:24] <fr0g911> i think thats it
[18:25] <fr0g911> lol i know thats why im trying to connect to that canada site
[18:25] <fr0g911> hahhaa
[18:26] <fr0g911> you know i used to run dedicated server hosting awhile back with freeBSD shells and irc servers and what not my site was called deamonhosting lol
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[18:42] <InfiniteByte> hi, i've got a problem with my buttons. i used an original PCB from a gameboy and soldered the wires on. the circuit itself is fine, but the buttons are way too sensetive. Some send all the time a signal, but when i touch them thay change. What could be the problem?
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[18:43] <drizztbsd> debouncing?
[18:43] <drizztbsd> or you can change sensitivity
[18:44] <markveidemanis> ok it works now
[18:44] <InfiniteByte> i guess changing sensitivity would be the easier solution? how can i do this?
[18:45] <markveidemanis> but i need internet
[18:46] <markveidemanis> Hello?
[18:46] <markveidemanis> I need internet for my PI
[18:46] <kkit> markveidemanis, so plug it in
[18:46] <markveidemanis> too far for the cable
[18:46] <markveidemanis> WiFi?
[18:46] <kkit> buy a longer cable
[18:46] <markveidemanis> ,Bluetooth?
[18:47] <kkit> or use a usb wifi adapter that you've confirmed will work
[18:47] <markveidemanis> What wireless communiications does it have?
[18:47] <kkit> whatever you plug into usb
[18:47] <RoyK> markveidemanis: nothing
[18:47] <markveidemanis> i think its this red thing that came with it :D
[18:47] <RoyK> markveidemanis: but you can plugin something on the usb ports
[18:47] <markveidemanis> yep
[18:47] <markveidemanis> looks like a modern Bluetooth adapter...
[18:48] <RoyK> bluetooth or wifi should work
[18:48] <RoyK> better use wifi
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[18:48] <markveidemanis> I see the OS is like Lubuntu or debian..
[18:48] <markveidemanis> .my PC has the same thing :D
[18:49] <markveidemanis> Hmmm...
[18:49] <markveidemanis> Can i use it to run a server?
[18:49] <markveidemanis> For say, Minetest
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[18:53] <ryanteck> markveidemanis Raspbian is based off debian
[18:53] <markveidemanis> cool, so il be used to it:D
[18:53] <ryanteck> but uses the LXDE frontend (The one used on Lubuntu)
[18:54] <markveidemanis> what do i do now?
[18:54] <ryanteck> Well its a linux box
[18:54] <markveidemanis> the screen is too small for my game
[18:54] <ryanteck> What game? & What are you connecting it to
[18:54] <markveidemanis> lol a TV
[18:54] <ryanteck> it has the possibility of getting 1080p on HDMI
[18:54] <markveidemanis> im using the yellow cable
[18:55] <ryanteck> ahh, if you have HDMI use that
[18:55] <ryanteck> composite is very low res
[18:55] <fr0g911> i need a free psybnc anyone know of any
[18:56] <markveidemanis> Help...
[18:56] <markveidemanis> mu USB stick is not working
[18:56] <markveidemanis> whenever i delete a file on it, it moves the file to .trash-10000
[18:57] <markveidemanis> and when i delete the file from there, it renames it to File.2
[18:57] <markveidemanis> then file.2.2
[18:57] <markveidemanis> and so on
[19:00] <maltin> markveidemanis: how do you delete files? via command line?
[19:00] <kkit> thunar seems more likely
[19:01] <kkit> markveidemanis, either tell your file manager to 'empty' the trash, or use the delete function rather than 'move to trash'
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[19:02] <kkit> pcmanfm, i mean
[19:02] <ryanteck> you could use rm in commandline
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[19:05] <InfiniteByte> so, does anyone know, how i can change the sensitivity of the GPIO's?
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> no
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> well ...
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> what do you mean by sensitivity?
[19:06] <ryanteck> You could always put a resistor on it?
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> ryanteck, they're digital..
[19:06] <markveidemanis> how do i delete directory and subdirs
[19:06] <piney> InfiniteByte, are you using pu-llup / pull-down resistors in your circuit?
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> sort on on/off ...
[19:06] <markveidemanis> is it -fR
[19:06] <markveidemanis> rm -fR
[19:06] <piney> pull-up*
[19:06] <ryanteck> Yeh but if your finding that they are picking up interference like some people have had with arduinos
[19:06] <ryanteck> that could help
[19:07] <ryanteck> I know one of my freinds was able to make a pin turn on just by putting his hand near the cable...
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> still don't know what he means by sensitivity..
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> ryanteck, Arduino have touch-sensitive inputs - by design.
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[19:08] <kkit> markveidemanis, the man page will tell you
[19:08] <kkit> if you're going to seriously use linux, you should get used to reading documentation :)
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, what do you mean by sensitivity?
[19:09] <nid0> or just append your command with --help which will usually give you a brief summary of its switches
[19:10] <InfiniteByte> i have a button. this button seems to send most od the time a signal(or at least closes the circuit). i can't change the button. i would like to change the sensitivity in that way, that i only get input, when i really press the button.
[19:10] <dexta> evening
[19:11] <markveidemanis> i want to completely wipe a disc
[19:11] <markveidemanis> what command is it?
[19:11] <tdy_> never even knew about the -d flag... i always did something like `find -type d -empty -delete'
[19:11] <InfiniteByte> when i press it, there should be a higher current, right?
[19:12] <tdy_> only looked at the rm help b/c of the backlog..
[19:12] <piney> InfiniteByte, can you draw a diagram describing how you have the switch wired to the pi? maybe even a picture
[19:13] <pksato> InfiniteByte: You mean 'bounce'?
[19:13] <nid0> markveidemanis: you could use fdisk to delete its partitions, you could use mkfs to format a partition on it, or you could use dd to totally blank the disk
[19:13] <markveidemanis> i think il delete it manually...
[19:13] <markveidemanis> i need to remove folder and subfolders in a command line
[19:13] <nid0> and all content?
[19:13] <markveidemanis> yep
[19:13] <nid0> so just rm -rf
[19:13] <pksato> InfiniteByte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switch#Contact_bounce
[19:14] <markveidemanis> nope still there
[19:14] <piney> pksato, i think the circuit is lacking a pull-up resistor and interference is affecting it
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, ok - you need to set the internal pul-up.
[19:15] <kkit> markveidemanis, if it's still there you're not doing it right
[19:15] <kkit> simply running "rm -rf" will not do anything, you need to give it the path to delete
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, pull-up if the button is connected to 0v, or pull-down if it's the other way round.
[19:15] <kkit> and since -rf is dangerous, you should make sure you don't do something stupid like telling it to delete / or something
[19:15] <markveidemanis> i did rm -rf /media/mark/F2B9-7377/.Trash-1000
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, alternatively use the I2C pins and connect the button to 0v - these have on-board pull-ups.
[19:16] <InfiniteByte> i guess part of the problem is, that i used a pcb, that was used before.
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, read this for an example: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
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[19:19] <piney> i messed up some javascript on a web page i'm working on. it's most likely something syntax, but I don't see what's wrong and I don't know js that well. can any one suggest a javascript debugger or something for me?
[19:19] <tdy_> markveidemanis: did it say "permission denied" or any output?
[19:19] <markveidemanis> it doesn't say anything
[19:19] <markveidemanis> just goes onto the next line
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[19:20] <maltin> markveidemanis: that means success :)
[19:20] <markveidemanis> but the folder is still there
[19:20] <markveidemanis> can i run the OS on my pc and install some stuff for the PI?
[19:21] <maltin> markveidemanis: ls -l /media/mark/F2B9-7377/
[19:21] <maltin> markveidemanis: ls -al /media/mark/F2B9-7377/
[19:21] <maltin> sry
[19:21] <maltin> can you paste the output?
[19:21] <markveidemanis> Ok, typed that in
[19:21] <IT_Sean> markveidemanis: the OS for the Pi? No, you cannot run the Raspi's OS on your PC.
[19:22] <markveidemanis> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/31192/
[19:22] <markveidemanis> but how then, can i install some packages without having internet
[19:23] <nid0> get internet
[19:23] <markveidemanis> What i want to run:
[19:23] <markveidemanis> apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev
[19:23] <nid0> its widely available these days
[19:23] <markveidemanis> can i install them from a card?
[19:23] <Xeph> markveidemanis: Download the packages, transfer them to raspi, install them manually
[19:23] <nid0> ofc you can, you can download the packages anywhere
[19:23] <markveidemanis> nah, il leave it:D
[19:24] <Xeph> markveidemanis: But make sure you download possible dependencies as well.
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[19:25] <tdy_> why is your host called ubuntu?
[19:25] <tdy_> is this .Trash folder on the Pi or your ubuntu desktop?
[19:25] <markveidemanis> the packages ARE dependencies :)
[19:25] <InfiniteByte> this is, what i made. http://imgur.com/BWeY6Vs,5YWzjHO . white cables are 3.3V, green ones go to their own pin.
[19:25] <markveidemanis> On a stick
[19:25] <InfiniteByte> its a pcb from a old gameboy
[19:25] <InfiniteByte> can this even work properly?
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[19:29] <pksato> InfiniteByte: how many button have on this pcb?
[19:29] <piney> InfiniteByte, that picture is confusing to see what is what
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[19:29] <IT_Sean> pksato: if it's a 1st gen gameboy, it will have 8 buttons.
[19:29] <IT_Sean> up down left right a b sel stt
[19:29] <piney> InfiniteByte, take a look at this link, this is about what you need for each button http://learn.adafruit.com/system/assets/assets/000/000/887/medium800/butt-schem.png?1342097271
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[19:30] <InfiniteByte> pksato, 8 buttons
[19:30] <piney> that resistor being the important part
[19:30] <markveidemanis> https://github.com/minetest/minetest
[19:31] <markveidemanis> <VanessaE> and fix the README to mention these additional dependencies: libcurl4-gnutls-dev libsm-dev libglu1-mesa-dev
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, you need to set the internal pull-ups on the Pi.
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[19:31] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, that's assuming the switched are commoned to 0v.
[19:31] <GriffenJBS> piney: jslint
[19:31] <pksato> 9 wires is required.
[19:31] <piney> thanks GriffenJBS , looking that up
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[19:32] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, if you are using the 8 "normal" gpio pins, then: for i in `seq 0 7`; do gpio mode $i up ; done
[19:32] <Xeph> markveidemanis: Then see how you make apt to download those packages, put them on your usb drive, and there you go
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, then use the gpio readall command to check the switches.
[19:32] <markveidemanis> ok, bye
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> which I check my chickens...
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[19:32] <gordonDrogon> er, while :)
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> ie. back in a tick.
[19:33] <GriffenJBS> http://www.jslint.com/ just paste the code to check it
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[19:36] <InfiniteByte> lets just asume, someone would have done this : http://imgur.com/Fupwmzj . would he be considered a total idiot?
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, sorry to have to tell you this but ... that circuit is somewhat sub-optimal ...
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, what you want is: GPIO pin -> Resistor (optional) -> Switch -> 0v.
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, the resistor has to be 1K or less if using the internal pull-up resistors in the Pi.
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[19:44] <InfiniteByte> gordonDrogon, well, i just turned my soldering iron back on. is that the reason for the problem?
[19:46] <InfiniteByte> gordonDrogon: so, no 3.3V?
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[19:50] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, that circuit really won't work.
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, however - you don't need to change anything to make it work - just change the Pi settings.
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, if you set the internal pull-ups on the Pi then it will work.
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, the inputs will read 1 until you push the button then they'll read 0.
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, your 10K resistor to +3.3v does nothing at all.
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, if you wanted to use that, then it would be: +3.3 ---> Resistor --> GPIO --> switch --> 0v
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[19:52] <gordonDrogon> the resistor would then pull the gpio to 3.3v (high) and it would read 1 with the switch open, and read 0 with the switch closed - but you achieve the exact same thing with the internal pull-up resistors.
[19:53] <InfiniteByte> gordonDrogon: i see, how do i set the internal pull-up resitor? is there an example code for that?
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, use the gpio command - gpio mode <pin> up
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[19:55] <piney> gordonDrogon, all gpio pins have internal pull-ups?
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[19:55] <gordonDrogon> piney, I'm pretty sure they do. (and pull-downs)
[19:56] <piney> cool
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[20:02] <InfiniteByte> gordonDrogon: is that command for wiringPi? i'm using rpi.gpio.
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[20:04] <gordonDrogon> InfiniteByte, ah. yes. thought you were using wiringPi. I've no idea how to do it under PYthon using rpi.gpio.
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> you can get wiringPi and run the commands though, then run your program - the pull-ups stay set once set.
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[20:06] <InfiniteByte> holy moly, i got it. thanks gordonDrogon.
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> ok
[20:07] <InfiniteByte> the code is GPIO.setup(<pin>, GPIO.IN, pull_up_down=GPIO.PUD_UP) i found it here: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/robot/cheat_sheet/
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[20:07] <gordonDrogon> technically, the state of the pull-up/down is held in non volatile flash memory with a finite life-cycle - it's designed to be set once for embedded type applications, however most people are ignoring that :)
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[20:10] <InfiniteByte> gordonDrogon: i guess for most people it works just fine, so ignoring is the option to go. Or does it happen often, that you have to consider that?
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[20:19] <gordonDrogon> I've had one person mention it to me.
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> I suspect that like SD cards, it's unlikely to be a real problem.
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[20:34] <hellsing> gordonDrogon, it depends of the life-cycle of the flash memory. but i agree with you, for most people it will not be a problem
[20:34] <hellsing> is this memory embed in the processor?
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[20:41] <mjr> one would expect to be able to set it on the order of a thousand times at least, so it's not likely to be a problem very soon even if you program it a couple of times a day...
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[20:42] <mjr> (I don't know spesifics about the kind of flash that's used on the soc for this but ~1k is the crappiest sort of nand ;)
[20:43] <IT_Sean> assuming and MTBF of ~1k changes, even doing it twice a day, it would take a couple of years before you started to see an issue.
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[20:43] <IT_Sean> Possibly quite a bit longer, possibly a bit less.
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[20:49] <zzzoid> is accelerated X a reality yet?
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[20:52] <Genghis-John> heyo
[20:52] <zzzoid> is there an accelerated desktop for RPi?
[20:52] <Genghis-John> anyone had any experience using pibang?
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[20:59] <A124> zzzoid: XBMC is accelerated. Raspbian if you want fancy graphics.. also depends on what you are talking. Also your question is for Google
[20:59] <A124> hellsing: Memory is on top of processor
[20:59] <A124> Not embedded
[20:59] <A124> It's stacked thanks to BGA
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> hellsing, yes - it's non-volatile to remember the state of the pull-up/pull-down resistors of the GPIO pins.
[21:00] <mjr> A124, he wasn't talking about the dram
[21:00] <zzzoid> A124, thanks, I have googled, but I haven't found what I'm looking for. Is Raspbian window manager accelerated now? can I run accelerated OpenGL in a window?
[21:00] <A124> Yeah my bad
[21:00] <A124> mjr: Talking of flash.. what are the params, in short?
[21:01] <A124> zzzoid: Yeah. You should be.
[21:02] <A124> It has HW support for it even, but it might not support v3. Not sure
[21:02] <zzzoid> A124, do you mean that it is or you don't know? Last time I used X in raspbian (about 3 months ago) it was really slow and horrible to use
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> zzzoid, it's slow yes, but Chrom is usable with a little bit of patience.
[21:06] <zzzoid> aside from X is OpenGL fully accelerated now?
[21:06] <A124> zzzoid: There is definitely OpenGL2 or so in core support directly in graphics
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[21:07] <A124> Not sure about Raspbian
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[21:07] <zzzoid> ok thanks. so no need to use X windows then
[21:07] <A124> Does Java work on Pi?
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[21:08] <mjr> yes, though not very quickly
[21:09] <mjr> afaik there isn't a port that would use the floating point hardware, unless perhaps some (experimental?) proprietary one?
[21:09] <mjr> of the jdk, that is. gcj probably works as far as it goes
[21:10] <A124> mjr: Umm.. interesting.What I would like is to run Arduino IDE on it
[21:10] <hellsing> mjr, 1K is for very crap memory in very advanced process, i think it must be higher in our case
[21:11] <mjr> A124, let's say that you probably don't really want to
[21:12] <A124> mjr: I really do. That's the thing
[21:12] <A124> I'll try. But I have v1 currently only.. 256M
[21:12] <mjr> you might not know it yet, but you don't
[21:13] <mjr> especially with the 256M model
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> OpenGl ES is supported as far as I'm aware.
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> supported enough to run Quake and Open Arena...
[21:14] <mjr> apparently there are instructions around for installing and running the IDE though, if you google
[21:14] <mjr> spesifically on the pi
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[21:53] <Zhirgoyt> Good evening!
[21:54] <IT_Sean> Good afternoon.
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[21:54] <Zhirgoyt> I guess it would depends on where you are.
[21:54] <Encrypt> :??
[21:54] <IT_Sean> aye
[21:54] <Tenkawa> greetings sll
[21:54] <Tenkawa> er all
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[21:54] <Tenkawa> any of you running freebsd on yours?
[21:55] <Encrypt> Nope
[21:55] <IT_Sean> nope
[21:56] <Tenkawa> bummer..wanted to talk kernel
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[21:58] <Tenkawa> so.. slackware users then?
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[22:00] * Hodapp <- Raspbian
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[22:01] <Encrypt> Hodapp, +1 :)
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[22:02] <Tenkawa> raspbian on one of mine too
[22:02] <Tenkawa> i like trying different options
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[22:03] <Tenkawa> also waiting on a newer kernl than 3.6.11
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[22:03] <Zhirgoyt> Does anyone know why I get kicked from the irc-channel after a few seconds
[22:03] <Encrypt> By the way, has anyone of you installed USBIP on Raspbian ?
[22:03] <Zhirgoyt> It just says several requests timed out.
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[22:03] <Encrypt> "Zhirgoyt est parti (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)"
[22:04] <Zhirgoyt> In a pop-up window.
[22:04] <Zhirgoyt> What does that mean?
[22:04] <kkit> Zhirgoyt, it means you probably have a network problem
[22:04] <Encrypt> It may be the consequence of a problem in your internet connection
[22:05] <Zhirgoyt> Strange. Oh, well thank you. :)
[22:05] <Zhirgoyt> Seems to be somewhat stable now.
[22:05] <Encrypt> Your IRC client couldn't tell the IRC server "Hey ! I'm here !"
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[22:05] <Zhirgoyt> How would I do that?
[22:05] <Encrypt> So, 245 seconds later, it made you quit
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[22:05] <Zhirgoyt> Ah. Okay.
[22:06] <Encrypt> Zhirgoyt, A problem in your internet connection maybe
[22:06] <mvaneijgen> what is the best and cheapest mirco usb/power plug cable for a raspberry pi (i prefer to buy it on ebay)
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[22:06] <Zhirgoyt> Could be because I am streaming 2 football matches in HD at the same time (legally I might add, just in case).
[22:06] <Encrypt> :??
[22:07] <Encrypt> Maybe
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> mvaneijgen, cheap and "pi friendly" don't always go together.
[22:08] <Zhirgoyt> Does anyone know of something LIKE the SiriProxy, but not with Siri. Someway I could have an app on my phone with pre-programmed commands without the need for ssh'ing into the rpi?
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[22:09] <Tenkawa> i use apple chargers
[22:09] <mvaneijgen> gordonDrogon: i am aware of that but the once i buy no are 7-8 euro
[22:10] <mvaneijgen> i think i can go cheaper
[22:10] <mvaneijgen> but what to buy
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[22:11] <gordonDrogon> actually, if it's just the cable, it's probably OK.
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[22:12] <mvaneijgen> nope need a power supply to
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[22:13] <pioj_> hi.
[22:14] <pioj_> If you guys want to try a simple but superfast booting distro on the pi, I recommend you to check TinyCore
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[22:15] <pioj_> X desktop + a simple browser in about 6-7 sec.
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[22:19] <gordonDrogon> mvaneijgen, then the PSUs are one of the biggest headaches for the Pi. it's really worth getting a good one.
[22:20] <mvaneijgen> but 7 euro's ?
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[22:22] <gordonDrogon> seems very cheap to me.
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> personally I'd go for a branded phone charger, etc.
[22:23] <Tenkawa> thats why I use apple phone chargers
[22:23] <Tenkawa> nice and stable
[22:24] <pioj_> seems cheap, but then you start counting
[22:25] <Tenkawa> then again i use an ssd on one of my pi's so I need the consistent current
[22:26] <Encrypt> I bought a fine dock + Hub that powers a hard drive and the RPi
[22:26] <Encrypt> This item is particularly good :)
[22:27] <Encrypt> > http://www.ldlc.be/fiche/PB00131191.html
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[22:36] <Zhirgoyt> Anyone know about a way to control the Pi from somewhere else without needing a terminal and SSH into it?
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[22:37] <Nik05> with a keyboard?
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[22:39] <dcm1977> Evening, just been inspired by a you tube clip to create a raspberry pi powered dog ball thrower! Does any one know of any grown up meccanno style kits that i could buy to perfect the design?
[22:39] <Zhirgoyt> okay, from a remote location ;)
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> Zhirgoyt, a very long rs232 lead...
[22:41] <Zhirgoyt> Was thinking something like having it listen to a mysql-server or something
[22:41] <Zhirgoyt> hehe
[22:42] <Zhirgoyt> But I want it to be somewhat instant... I want something like the siriProxy, but with buttons for things I usually do.
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[22:44] <Zhirgoyt> I mean I could create a cronjob and a python-script to check a mysql server, but the fastest I can get there is once a minute
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[23:17] <Zhirgoyt> It seems there is a way with google talk.
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[23:23] * chupacabra (~michael@cpe-70-112-13-24.austin.res.rr.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:26] * loffa (~loffa@81-224-56-252-no238.tbcn.telia.com) Quit (Quit: 0.4.0)
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[23:28] * DexterLB (~dex@87-126-19-124.btc-net.bg) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
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[23:36] * double-you (~Miranda@178-26-159-95-dynip.superkabel.de) Quit (Quit: ja)
[23:40] * thomashunter (~thomashun@208-44-138-156.dia.static.qwest.net) Quit (Quit: thomashunter.name)
[23:41] * wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: I just broke my connection, but no worries, we can rebuild it. We have the technology.)
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[23:42] * pecorade (~pecorade@host199-237-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:43] * Syliss (~Home@c-98-255-5-116.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Syliss)
[23:44] * Diaoul (~Diaoul@ Quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
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[23:45] * fatpudding (~fatpuddin@ Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[23:45] <Zhirgoyt> Oh well. Gnight.
[23:45] * Zhirgoyt (53fe512c@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Quit: Page closed)
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[23:48] <Gadgetoid> Who runs Raspihub? I added RSS to my blog, for the awesome power
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[23:52] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[23:55] * Meatballs (~Meatballs@unaffiliated/meatballs) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

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