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IRC Log for 2013-03-14

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[0:03] <GriffenJBS> does rpi have kms/drm?
[0:04] <Diaoul> hi
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> GriffenJBS, it has a dumb framebuffer... unless you want to poke the GPU with OpenGL ES ..
[0:05] <Diaoul> I'm looking for RAMRUN and RAMLOCK options in /etc/default/rcS as I found some references mentioning to set to yes for improved SD longetivity but I cannot find those option in the file
[0:05] <GriffenJBS> so no drm support
[0:05] <Diaoul> has something changed recently regarding /etc/default/rcS ?
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[0:09] <gordonDrogon> anyone know the implication of releasing software under LGPLv3 that #includes a file that's GPLv2 are ?
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[0:13] <ebswift> piney http://www.pasteall.org/40491/python
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[0:14] <ebswift> i calibrated my sensors so i've got calibration code in there as well
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[0:14] <gordonDrogon> zed time. laters..
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[0:15] <ebswift> gordonDrogon: i think it makes the whole project gpl...
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[0:16] <bolivar> I'm using cfdisk... what's the difference between a primary partition and a logical partition?
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[0:18] <pksato> logical partition are partitions inside a special primary partition called extended.
[0:19] <bolivar> I understand. So if I want two partitions on the disk, I could either have two primary partitions or one primary and two logical partitions inside?
[0:19] <pksato> ad, only 4 primary partitions are allowed
[0:20] <pksato> dos way is one primary, one extended, and many logicals.
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[0:21] <piney> ebswift, nice, how did you calibrate them?
[0:21] <piney> i think i'll add an offset option to my code now
[0:21] <ebswift> ice bath, there's a NIST video... i'll get you the link
[0:21] <piney> ahh, makes sense
[0:22] <ebswift> those sensors are mighty accurate, as you can see from my calibration info, mine are only a touch out
[0:22] <piney> same way they calibrate food thermometers
[0:22] <ebswift> yeah, skip the boiling calibration though, it's not worth it
[0:22] <bolivar> pksato: thank you
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[0:23] <ebswift> piney http://www.epa.gov/hg/nistvideo/index.html#icepoint
[0:23] <piney> thanks
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[0:23] <pksato> bolivar: but, on Linux, 3 primary partitions are commom
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[0:24] <bolivar> This is just for an external HDD to be used as storage
[0:24] <bolivar> not a system partition
[0:24] <ebswift> piney, also make sure you have the resistor in place, my sensors didn't have the resistor
[0:24] <pksato> ah... one primery
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[0:24] <bolivar> I want to make two partitions, because one will be encrypted (for holding personal data) and one will be unencrypted, for movies, music etc
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[0:26] <pksato> bolivar: hidden partition. :)
[0:26] <bolivar> I'm not sure what a hidden partition is, other than in the context of something like Truecrypt
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[0:27] <bolivar> The purpose of encrypting the partition is to prevent casual snooping in case someone steals everything in my house, including the external HDD connected to the raspi
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[0:29] <piney> yea, i got a 4.7k in there. a 5k worked too
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[1:51] <leftyfb> I'm trying to run a script right before shutdown. I've created an init script, it's in /etc/init.d/ symlinked to rc0.d and rc6.d and is executable and begins with K01. It's not being run at all. I tried just putting a plain bash script in /etc/rc6.d/K01test and just have "/usr/bin/touch /root/file" and it's not being run either. Mind you, the proper init script runs if I run with with "stop" as does the test script if I just run it.
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[1:55] <pksato> leftyfb: /tmp can be deleted on boot.
[1:56] <leftyfb> yup
[1:56] <leftyfb> but the rest script writes to /root
[1:56] <leftyfb> rest/test/
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[1:57] <pksato> you used as reference /etc/init.d/skeleton to create script?
[1:58] <leftyfb> yep
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[2:01] <pksato> and update-rc.d to 'install'?
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[2:01] <leftyfb> yep
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[2:27] <Arthur_N> hi, I'm having trouble booting my Raspberry Pi. The red LED lights up, but the green one doesn't
[2:30] <Arthur_N> I'm using a micro SD with adapter from Kingston, loaded with latest Raspbian image
[2:30] <seba-> Arthur_N, what is the power supply
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[2:31] <pksato> mistake to transfer .img to sd.
[2:31] <Arthur_N> universal Micro USB travel charger with 1000 mA from hama
[2:31] <seba-> 1000 mA should be enough
[2:31] <seba-> have you made an ok image
[2:32] <seba-> with a proper tool
[2:32] <Arthur_N> I used dd
[2:32] <Arthur_N> as written on the wiki
[2:33] <pksato> dd ... of=/dev/sdg ? or dd ... of=/dev/sdg1
[2:33] <Arthur_N> /dev/sdb
[2:33] <seba-> try a different adapter
[2:33] <seba-> or measure if it really gives out 1 A
[2:33] <pksato> or, not proper inserted sd.
[2:33] <Arthur_N> I tried another SD card originally
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[2:34] <Arthur_N> but apparently I bricked it after several failed attempts at trying to boot
[2:34] <pksato> to test PSU issues, remove all usb device. connect only (or even not) some monitor.
[2:35] <Arthur_N> I've tried mostly just with HDMI connected, and also without
[2:36] <pksato> or, use computer (desktop) usb port to power rpi.
[2:37] <seba-> that wouldn't 100% work
[2:38] <seba-> in theory it should give only 500 mA
[2:38] <seba-> but ok, most usb hubs don't follow the spec
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[2:38] <Arthur_N> it is discouraged in the paper I got with the case
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[2:40] <pksato> most desktop main board dont have power control on usb ports. only 1.6A polyfuse.
[2:41] <Arthur_N> well I can surely try - atm it's of no use anyway
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[2:42] <seba-> i've had problems at first
[2:42] <seba-> it was a bad image
[2:42] <seba-> and bad power supply
[2:43] <seba-> but i've heard some SD cards don't work
[2:43] <Arthur_N> it might be the SD card, but it's odd that the one I bricked didn't work, since it was in the kit I bought
[2:44] <Arthur_N> so perhaps the image is corrupt
[2:44] <Arthur_N> need to verify
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[2:47] <Arthur_N> how do I know if the SD card is properly inserted, btw?
[2:47] <Arthur_N> it doesn't seem to "click" in place
[2:48] <Arthur_N> like in my netbook
[2:48] <PhotoJim> if you can boot of it, it's properly inserted :)
[2:48] <PhotoJim> it doesn't click.
[2:48] <PhotoJim> gently insert it until it won't go any further.
[2:48] <Arthur_N> yeah that's what I've been doing
[2:49] <Arthur_N> but it does seem to easily wiggle around in there...
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[2:51] <Arthur_N> I'll try downloading the image again and overwrite the SD card
[2:51] <Arthur_N> and this time check the hash
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[3:10] <savagecroc> Hi everyone
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[3:10] <Arthur_N> huh: 768 blocks (768Mb) written.dcfldd:: No space left on device
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[3:10] <Arthur_N> that doesn't make any sense
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[3:11] <Arthur_N> unless... it stores that in memory while writing
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[3:11] <savagecroc> We're kicking of a project very similiar to OLPC (one laptop per child) and have been seriously looking at the Pi as the computer to use. A few questions, are the designs for the pi publically available and royalty free? (i.e. can we build our own)
[3:14] <piney> savagecroc, no, they are not publicly available
[3:15] <savagecroc> We need to add a few chips that aren't included in the pi's design (need audio in / encryption and for every 1 in 100 we need a communcations chip (like the qualcom GSM/CDMA/3G one)
[3:15] <piney> schematic is available, board design isn't. and not sure if you can get the broadcom chip easily
[3:15] <savagecroc> piney: We can get the chip
[3:16] <savagecroc> ok.. so the board design is not open
[3:16] <piney> the audio in can be done via an add-on board, what kind of encryption are you talking?
[3:16] <savagecroc> on-board encryption of the local storage (i.e. encrypting the flash)
[3:17] <savagecroc> i'm looking at just one of the infineon tpm 1.2 chips
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[3:18] <savagecroc> piney: yeah.. although you can get chips that do audio in/out cheaper than what it would cost to manufacturer an add on board
[3:18] <piney> i'll agree there
[3:19] <savagecroc> also.. although we're going to start off with an initial rollout of 20k.. we hope if successful to be doing these in 100k batches.. so the cost is extremely important
[3:19] <piney> that chip most likely has something built in that isn't accessible easily on the pi board
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[3:21] <piney> what's done to the pi is a lot of what you are looking for, sadly, i don't see it being a viable option for your end product. great inspiration though
[3:21] <savagecroc> yeah
[3:21] <savagecroc> it's essentially how i got the idea
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[3:21] <savagecroc> i thought wow.. we can build computers for $50
[3:22] <piney> absolutely
[3:23] <piney> why encryption though? even a usb microphone can be done for that price point with any volume
[3:23] <piney> any good sized volume
[3:23] <savagecroc> security
[3:24] <savagecroc> we wouldn't want anyone interfering with the platform
[3:24] <piney> you can encrypt the user's home folder fairly easily
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[3:24] <piney> maybe a 'barebones' build could do encryption. not too sure myself
[3:25] <savagecroc> encryption has to be chip-based
[3:25] <savagecroc> otherwise it doesn't work
[3:25] <piney> ahh, that way
[3:25] <piney> :(
[3:25] <savagecroc> basically we want to use it for both theft-protection (a huge issue)
[3:25] <savagecroc> and tests/examination
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[3:26] <savagecroc> which of course if you can't guarantee the security of the platform we won't be able to do
[3:28] <savagecroc> piney: if we moved away from the pi platform is there any reason to use the broadcom chip?
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[3:29] <savagecroc> A1X is cheaper :/
[3:29] <piney> not sure there. never built anything on that scale
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[3:29] <piney> or for a price point
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[3:31] <savagecroc> reliable TFT screens is my biggest headache at the moment
[3:31] <savagecroc> it's hard to get ones cheaper than $10
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[3:32] <savagecroc> and i'm not sure how small i should really go.. i'm thinking minimum 9".. but 11" or 13" is preferable
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[4:30] <sheldor> hi i installed joystick yet the jstest /dev/input/js0 doesnt work as the numbers dont change when i press the buttons on the gamepad
[4:31] <sheldor> jstest correctly lists the gamepad name and model though
[4:31] <sheldor> why does it recognize the device yet doesnt receive any events?
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[5:15] <Arthur_N> hi again, still having trouble booting from the SD card
[5:16] <Arthur_N> a few times I've got the green LED to blink three times, when I manage to press and hold the SD card in place
[5:16] <Arthur_N> three times blinking is apparently the error code for start.elf not found
[5:17] <Arthur_N> but honestly I'm stuck now
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[5:18] <Arthur_N> this is after re-flashing the card in Windows with a hash verified download
[5:19] <Arthur_N> any ideas on how to make sure the SD card is properly connected to all pins?
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[6:09] <frankdrey> anyone here use arch on their Pi
[6:09] <frankdrey> ?
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[6:40] <ParkerR> :) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/71679/Photo%20Mar%2014%2C%201%2035%2048%20AM.jpg
[6:40] <ParkerR> frankdrey, I have before
[6:41] <frankdrey> ParkerR: never mind I sorted it out :)
[6:41] <frankdrey> alright, I'm heading out
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[6:48] <fr0g911> hey all
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[6:51] <fr0g911> piney you around
[6:55] <piney> yea
[6:55] <piney> just shopping summit.com :)
[6:56] <piney> summitracing.com*
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[6:56] <fr0g911> well i had my first big problem at a house today..
[6:57] <piney> oh?
[6:59] <fr0g911> well first off the owner was around me the whole time while i was setting up the cams i did one drop to the router and that went good when up to run the cat line to the switch and was about to setup the poe switch to power the 5 cams and then i tripped on a wire and my leg went thru the sheetrock into the kitchen
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[6:59] <fr0g911> put a good size hole in there
[6:59] <piney> oh no
[7:00] <piney> that's one I haven't done yet (thank god)
[7:00] <fr0g911> yeah ;(
[7:00] <piney> have a way to resolve it yet?
[7:01] <fr0g911> not yet they said they will have someone come out and fix it
[7:01] <fr0g911> but
[7:01] <fr0g911> i have a handy man that can fix it
[7:01] <fr0g911> but who knows whats gonna happen
[7:02] <fr0g911> cause i know it will only cost me less then 100 to fix
[7:02] <fr0g911> with my guy
[7:02] <piney> yea
[7:02] <piney> usualy customers will let you make it right first
[7:02] <piney> they don't have anything to loose typically
[7:03] <fr0g911> but besides that the poe switch box i got worked perfect using 18volt
[7:03] <piney> i broke a window 2 weeks ago, chipped the corner
[7:03] <piney> that cost me $165 plus paint and a youtube video, but done and over with
[7:03] <fr0g911> so im hoping they are the same way
[7:04] <fr0g911> the owner said we will figure something out
[7:04] <piney> talk to them tomorrow, let them see if they mind you having someone fix it
[7:04] <fr0g911> gonna try my roommate works on houses hes gonna bring me a sheetrock tomorrow free
[7:05] <fr0g911> im only making 300 on this house
[7:05] <piney> if they fix it, offer another camera installed or something for the trouble (dont pay their guy)
[7:05] <fr0g911> i hope it doesnt cost much
[7:05] <piney> cameras cost about what your guy would charge, right?
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[7:06] <fr0g911> i was thinking of offering them a pi for motion detection that i made
[7:06] <piney> that might be a good idea
[7:06] <fr0g911> then i will sell them the media center pi
[7:07] <fr0g911> with xbmc
[7:07] <fr0g911> for 250
[7:07] <fr0g911> lol
[7:07] <piney> lol
[7:07] <fr0g911> i told them already what it was and how it works i already sold them that before i was starting installing
[7:08] <piney> cool
[7:08] <piney> you have something to work with then
[7:08] <fr0g911> thanks piney im glad someone is on my level
[7:08] <piney> oh yea, it's part of the job
[7:09] <fr0g911> too bad you live years away we could work together
[7:09] <piney> i never broke a window before last week
[7:09] <piney> did drill out of a few walls, but they are such simple fixes
[7:09] <piney> minus the paint
[7:09] <fr0g911> yea i've never broke sheetrock before today
[7:10] <piney> i have stepped on sheetrock accidentally before
[7:10] <piney> sure you have too
[7:10] <piney> but never caused damage
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[7:10] <piney> 24" on center beams are the worst
[7:10] <piney> when you get used to walking 16 on center
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[7:11] <fr0g911> yea
[7:11] <fr0g911> the place i was at omg
[7:11] <fr0g911> i had to walk on beams
[7:11] <fr0g911> and wires
[7:11] <fr0g911> everywhere
[7:12] <fr0g911> cause the people that installed adt
[7:12] <fr0g911> and the other stuff
[7:12] <piney> yea, they can be horrible
[7:12] <fr0g911> left the wires all over
[7:12] <piney> cable companies too
[7:12] <piney> i am anal with my work
[7:12] <fr0g911> i tripped on a line for adt
[7:12] <fr0g911> thats what made me fall
[7:13] <fr0g911> the guy saw it too
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[7:13] <piney> i tell customers it costs more if i'm being watched
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[7:13] <piney> i have to work slower, talk to them, etc.
[7:13] <fr0g911> thats a good idea
[7:13] <fr0g911> this guy
[7:14] <fr0g911> even whent into the addict
[7:14] <piney> that's not normal
[7:14] <fr0g911> he wanted to learn
[7:14] <piney> attic*
[7:14] <fr0g911> oops yea attic*
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[7:15] <fr0g911> man the adt people
[7:15] <fr0g911> wires all over and live wires not capped
[7:15] <piney> they het paid horrible to install them, and want to do 3 a day - so rush way too much
[7:15] <piney> get*
[7:16] <piney> to be honest, i doubt the installer got paid more than $150 to do that, and then adt made the installer wait on hold for about 2 hours to get the account online
[7:17] <fr0g911> i saw one Positive wire drilled into a beam to connect another wire with a screw
[7:17] <piney> when I was doing that work, first thing we did was put a speakerphone on the phone line and start waiting on hold. went to work listening to the phone
[7:17] <piney> thats sad
[7:17] <piney> there is licensing here now cause of stuff like that
[7:17] <fr0g911> yeah thats saw
[7:18] <fr0g911> sad*
[7:18] <fr0g911> im so tired i cant even talk right tonight
[7:18] <fr0g911> i worked at my real job at 8am
[7:18] <fr0g911> till 5
[7:18] <fr0g911> then 6 at this house till 11
[7:18] <piney> ahh, ouch
[7:19] <piney> i've been spending a lot of time in crawl spaces re-wiring alarm systems.
[7:19] <piney> after hurricane sandy, so many houses had their insulation ripped out and ripped the alarm wires too
[7:20] <fr0g911> man that sounds like a pain
[7:20] <piney> i'm doing like 2-3 of them a week
[7:20] <fr0g911> wow
[7:20] <piney> it is, the pain is it's a muddy job too
[7:20] <fr0g911> i wanna go work with you
[7:20] <fr0g911> show me the ropes
[7:20] <piney> dry mud on concrete crawl space floors
[7:21] <fr0g911> i dont like the summer though
[7:21] <fr0g911> lol
[7:21] <piney> lol
[7:21] <piney> this job i looked at last week is cool though
[7:21] <piney> they have a tunnel going from the house to the pool house
[7:22] <fr0g911> wow
[7:22] <piney> yea, that's a first for me
[7:22] <fr0g911> thats weird and cool at the same time
[7:22] <piney> pool is in a glass room thats heated, theory is being able to go to the pool house in the winter without freezing, etc
[7:24] <fr0g911> my job is hard running cat lines and port forwarding and power to the lines, i've seen what you have wiring and such i thought my job was hard i bow down do you my friend
[7:25] <fr0g911> to*
[7:25] <fr0g911> thats so many wires to do
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[7:26] <piney> just look at it 1 circuit at a time and it's simple
[7:27] <piney> one job i tried breaking 100 zones on an alarm system, there's 96 on this one. i wanted 100 for bragging rights, oh well
[7:27] <fr0g911> the boards i saw that are in my master bed room look crazy
[7:29] <piney> what do you do for your day job
[7:29] <piney> ?
[7:29] <fr0g911> wth is ranger american
[7:29] <fr0g911> hehehe
[7:30] <fr0g911> i work for texas roadhouse as a corporate trainer
[7:30] <piney> ahh
[7:30] <piney> not bad
[7:30] <fr0g911> everyone says wth you doing that when you know so much about computers and stuff
[7:30] <piney> i always liked the food industry
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[7:30] <fr0g911> it pays my bills when im not on side jobs
[7:31] <piney> yep
[7:31] <piney> doing alarm work, thats what adt was good for
[7:31] <piney> filling in those days
[7:31] <fr0g911> yea
[7:32] <piney> the'll get you started, but you want to move away quick
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[7:32] <piney> i don't have luck doing camera systems, very competitive market
[7:32] <fr0g911> i told my brother about about me falling at this house he was like man thats gonna hurt your biz
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[7:33] <piney> naah, fixing the issue is what seperates the boys from the men
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[7:34] <fr0g911> i thought about it after i get done with them its gonna still keep going word of mouth like it has been the qt and stuff and being able the watch your cams from cell phone at work i wont even stop getting calls
[7:34] <piney> yea
[7:35] <piney> you do it with an app, or web browser on the phones?
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[7:37] <fr0g911> my roommate asked me what advertisements are you running like website and pappers you got jobs 7 to 15 times aweek. i said nope just word of mouth no website no papers nothing just cheap hosting and i have them setup with both web and phone apps
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[7:37] <fr0g911> iphone an android offer free ipcam apps
[7:37] <piney> ahh, cool
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[7:40] <fr0g911> well goodnight
[7:40] <fr0g911> gotta work early
[7:40] <fr0g911> its 140
[7:40] <fr0g911> be at work at 7
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[9:53] <gordonDrogon> morning chap & chapeses!
[9:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> Morn gordon
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[9:55] <gordonDrogon> so looks like issues releaseing wiringPi under lgpl when it includes gpl headers )-:
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> so I have to write my own implementation of those gpl headers to keep it lgpl.
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> bit of a bother, but not insurmountable.
[9:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> thats the viral nature of the GPL ....
[9:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> and why lgpl was invented
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> normally not an issue, but it seems to stem from what we're doing on the Pi - which is effectively poking hardware from userland - something I guess was never expected do do in *nix, so /usr/include/linux/* is GPL - ie. part of the kernel.
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> but we need some of it to poke the I2C and SPI.
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> fortunately not a lot and as the underlying interfaces are well defined I can make my own implementation.
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> there are a few people using wiringPi in commercial projects and they are concerend about it...
[10:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> .... yes could be a problem,...
[10:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> on a side note ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4RupOgWAWg <- post breakfast stuff...
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> and I have to say; I'm using it myself in some commercial projects where the people paying me to do it don't want to release the code - quite yet...
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> some people have too much time :)
[10:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah he does ;-p
[10:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.youtube.com/user/bd594?feature=watch in the little drummer boy video he's got a raspberry pi logo sticker ....
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[10:05] <gordonDrogon> Ah, on the wheel on the scanner.
[10:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah
[10:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> right time to do some real work
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[10:08] <gordonDrogon> already doing some here.
[10:08] <des2> This is why I bemoan the rise of restrocted source code due to people like Stallman.
[10:09] <des2> It's so hard to find Public Domain source these days.
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[10:09] <des2> When I was a kid so much source code was released as Public Domain.
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[10:15] <gordonDrogon> you'll never please everyone though...
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[10:15] <gordonDrogon> some people - mostly bigger companies IME want to keep theie code "the crown jewels" hidden...
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[10:16] <gordonDrogon> however I'm currently doing a job for a 2-man band and they don't want to publish the code i'm writing for them.
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[10:38] <Jck_true_> nid0: I owe you a beer :D
[10:38] <nid0> nice to know, what did I do to earn that?
[10:39] <Jck_true_> nid0: I think you were the one who gave me that advice to use IE for my router :D
[10:39] <nid0> ah, yes
[10:40] <Jck_true_> Had to find a laptop which actually had it install - THen I got errors - Then i forced it into "compatability mode" and... SUCCESS!
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[10:44] <nnumerals> anyone worked with a pci-e sound card setup with a raspberry pi?
[10:45] <Jck_true_> a PCI-E? :|
[10:45] <RaTTuS|BIG> pretty unlikly
[10:45] <nnumerals> i want to setup an external sound recognition system
[10:46] <Jck_true_> What about a basic USB soundcard?
[10:46] <nnumerals> i was told they wouldn't be near as good
[10:47] <nnumerals> i want as accurate as possible
[10:47] <ShiftPlusOne> How do you intend to use the pci-e card with a pi?
[10:47] <Jck_true_> You can buy highlevel usb sound cards...
[10:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> well they have a chance of working whereas a pci card has very little chance of working unless your an engineer
[10:47] <mjr> the Pi doesn't have any pci-e bus
[10:47] <nnumerals> k
[10:47] <nnumerals> what pi would be best for an external sound recognition box?
[10:48] <nnumerals> needs to support a sound card and microphone
[10:48] <Jck_true_> nnumerals: What outoput you want? If you just need the usb sound card on one part the Model A should be enough
[10:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> choose a usb adapter and see if it works... how are you going to be writing software for this
[10:48] <nnumerals> export it
[10:48] <nnumerals> i just need the recording
[10:49] <Jck_true_> Export it to where? how?
[10:49] <nnumerals> how would it work
[10:49] <Jck_true_> SD card? LAN? WiFi?
[10:49] <nnumerals> maybe a pi isn't the way to work
[10:49] <nnumerals> lan/wifi
[10:49] <nid0> then you need a model b
[10:49] <Jck_true_> Model B and use the lan port or the extra usb port for wifi
[10:50] <nnumerals> what's the cheapest retailer?
[10:50] <nnumerals> they still $25?
[10:50] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on where you live
[10:50] <nid0> they've never been $25
[10:50] <ShiftPlusOne> model b was never $25
[10:50] <mjr> Bs are still $35
[10:50] <ShiftPlusOne> + shipping and taxes
[10:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> $35 + taxes and shipiing
[10:50] <Jck_true_> 35$ + handling shipping etc
[10:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> or $25 + taxes and shipping
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[10:53] <Jck_true_> nnumerals: And then you just gotta pick your usb sound card hardware - http://dx.com/p/5-1-channel-usb-sound-card-adapter-black-59039?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate <-- 2.80USD or http://creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=875&product=19829 <-- for 100 Euro
[10:54] <des2> What do you mean by a sound recognition system ?
[10:54] <des2> The issue with most recognition isn't insufficient hardware accuracy it's lack of the necessary software.
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[10:55] <des2> A prime example is speech recognition.
[10:56] <Jck_true_> I haven't tried speech recognition actually working yet...
[10:56] <Jck_true_> (But then again i don't have a fancy iPhone/Android phone)
[10:58] <des2> If for example you want to dostinguish between 5 different words you need to find an algorithm that can give 5 different values with high accuracy based on the input.
[10:58] <des2> This falls under the general field of pattern recognition.
[10:58] <Jck_true_> This is totally what I need for my desk!
[10:59] <Jck_true_> There's gotta be a linux project that runs on the pi
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[11:00] <des2> Or just buy Dragon Naturally Speaking.
[11:00] <Jck_true_> I just need to say "HAL lights on!"
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[11:01] <des2> Open the Pod Bay Doors Hal.
[11:01] <des2> I can't do that Dave my algorithm was too poor to understand what you said.
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[11:05] <Jck_true_> https://github.com/AaronRandall/miri
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[11:06] <des2> What does that have to do with a Raspberrt PI ?
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[11:06] <des2> All it seems to need is a USB mic.
[11:06] <des2> Wouldn't it run on most any Linux /
[11:06] <Jck_true_> You're right - /me shuts up
[11:07] <des2> Wasn'd directed to you
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> there is a chap (name od Arthur) who has been doing speech recognition on the Pi.
[11:07] <Jck_true_> Useless anyway - It relies on Google :|
[11:07] <des2> I'm confused why the Software writer links it to a Raspberry Pi
[11:07] <des2> Implying that there's something special about the Pi
[11:07] <Jck_true_> des2: Same as every EBay seller writing "RASPBERRY!" on hit wall plug
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> I've forgotten what package he's using though. Been features on the raspberrypi.org site though & I met him again at the jamboree.
[11:08] <des2> It's like ebay auctions.
[11:08] <Jck_true_> gordonDrogon: Google.com's service :(
[11:08] <des2> Now every generic thing is "Raspberry Pi xxxxxx"
[11:09] <des2> "Raspberry Pi USB cord, Raspbeerry PI HDMI cord...
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true_, heh... this was something running direclty on the Pi though - no interweb conection.
[11:10] <KebabBob> I dumped a pi image from a 16gb sd card... And was going to write it to another one. Now win32diskimager tells me the image is too big. Is it possible to resize it?
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/speech-recognition
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> that's the chap.
[11:11] <Jck_true_> I don't need full recognition - I just need commands
[11:11] <des2> Yes you can resize.
[11:11] <KebabBob> How? :)
[11:11] <Jck_true_> My ultra sonic distrance measure to see if i'm sitting in my chair or not doesn't work :D
[11:11] <des2> I just answer the easy questions.
[11:12] <KebabBob> Never mind then
[11:13] <des2> http://apcmag.com/guide-to-raspberry-pi-part-3-resizing-your-sd-card.htm
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[11:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> buy 37 RPi from RS and get 5% off .....
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[11:13] <des2> http://elinux.org/RPi_Resize_Flash_Partitions#Manually_resizing_the_SD_card_on_Raspberry_Pi
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[11:14] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=30733
[11:14] <des2> Transfer working image to smaller card?
[11:14] <des2> There's some pointers.
[11:16] <des2> THe last one has a lot of discussion
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[11:17] <des2> A simple switch that works by compression is simpler.
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[11:27] <des2> Or you could just get a whoopie cushion
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[13:30] <fi1i1ixed> morning cscazorla :) its afternoon here
[13:30] <cscazorla> :P
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[14:16] <steve_rox> got fun?
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[14:21] <gordonDrogon> for some definition of fun, yes.
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[14:24] <des2> I have things that are fun-sized.
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[15:13] <melonipoika> hello there, I am trying to cross compile qt5 for raspberry pi following the instructions on this page: http://qt-project.org/wiki/RaspberryPi_Beginners_guide with no luck
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[15:13] <ivotkl> Hello everyone.
[15:14] <melonipoika> my host is a 64 bits kubuntu (12.10) and I am using a recent raspbian image
[15:14] <ivotkl> Would anyone point me to a Calibre-like e-book manager that would work in Raspbian? (Don't know if Calibre would work, have not tried).
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[15:26] <fi1i1ixed> anyone here uses a pi as server?
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[15:27] <DeliriumTremens> what kind of server...
[15:27] <fi1i1ixed> file server :)
[15:27] <Hodapp> I use it as some sort of server.
[15:27] <Hodapp> trying to build OpenNI but they chose one of the most non-functional build systems I've ever seen
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[15:28] <fi1i1ixed> i would like to have access to it from outside my network
[15:28] <fi1i1ixed> was thinking sshfs
[15:29] <ivotkl> fililixed: you could try xrdp installation (if available for Pi) for a GUI remote desktop.
[15:29] <ivotkl> Oh, that's better. =)
[15:29] <fi1i1ixed> yeahh... no gui ;)
[15:29] <ivotkl> !sshfs
[15:29] <ivotkl> Ok, not working =P
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[15:30] <ivotkl> brb
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[15:30] <fi1i1ixed> yeah... but has any got experience with it?
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[15:33] <IncognitoMan> ehh....
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[15:33] <IncognitoMan> a gui on a rpi might be a bit much
[15:33] <IncognitoMan> especially for a server
[15:33] <IncognitoMan> and yea
[15:33] <IncognitoMan> server with gui? ;P
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[15:34] <IT_Sean> Most servers don't have a gui. It's a terrible waste of resources, for no good reason.
[15:34] <IncognitoMan> indeed
[15:34] <fi1i1ixed> just need it to make my files awailable ... and run a couple of scripts...
[15:34] <IncognitoMan> ssh + screen/tmux and you are good to go
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[15:35] <IncognitoMan> if you need it only to make your files available and run a couple of scripts then theres no need for a gui
[15:35] <IncognitoMan> like IT_Sean said....quite wasteful on resources for no good reason
[15:36] <fi1i1ixed> i agree :)
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[15:37] <IncognitoMan> hell even more my powerful servers dont run gui's :P
[15:37] <IncognitoMan> but now i wish more people would make rackmount cases for rpi
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[15:51] <chod> IncognitoMan: use a rack shelf and some plastic bolts
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[15:53] <IncognitoMan> chod: that is indeed one way but not the prettiest way :P
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[15:54] <chod> IncognitoMan: yup, a decent acrylic? case for four in a rack config could be very useful
[15:55] <three14> IncognitoMan, buy a few Pis and Cyntech cases, cram them into a 4U with velcro.
[15:55] <IncognitoMan> well that is closer to what id want to do
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[15:56] <IncognitoMan> only in a 1u size
[15:58] <chod> theres on on pcslshop.com
[15:58] <chod> one
[15:58] <chod> hmmm says amazon also
[15:59] <chod> 1u 27.99 holds two raspberry pi's
[16:00] <IncognitoMan> yea i know
[16:00] <IncognitoMan> im in the US though
[16:00] <chod> dont they sell in th us?
[16:00] <IncognitoMan> nope
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[16:01] <IncognitoMan> regardless of the .com
[16:01] <IncognitoMan> lol
[16:01] <IncognitoMan> should have gone with a .co.uk
[16:01] <chod> wonderful Not
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[16:06] <mengine> hi there. anyone got experience with that xbmc versions out there? any stability/speed differences?
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[16:07] <DeliriumTremens> i've only used raspbmc, works fine for me
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[16:07] <mengine> DeliriumTremens, just read something bout beeng lil crashy... which pi model are u using?
[16:07] <DeliriumTremens> b
[16:07] <DeliriumTremens> 512
[16:08] <DeliriumTremens> it doesnt crash on me
[16:08] <DeliriumTremens> ??\_(???)_/??
[16:08] <IT_Sean> I use OpenELEC.
[16:08] <IT_Sean> Works for me.
[16:08] <mengine> hm me too. think i'll try that. ever used openelec?
[16:08] * IT_Sean blinks
[16:08] <DeliriumTremens> lol
[16:08] <mengine> =)
[16:08] <IT_Sean> <--- Uses OpenELEC.
[16:08] <IncognitoMan> lol
[16:08] <three14> no problems with openelec here. model b, 256 and 512
[16:09] <IncognitoMan> i want to get the new 512
[16:09] <IT_Sean> I'm on a 512mb model B
[16:09] <mengine> wadda bout the speed for both of you?
[16:09] <IT_Sean> no speed issues here
[16:09] <lee> wtf, I was sure I had a spare pi ...
[16:09] <DeliriumTremens> i switched to running OS on a flash drive
[16:09] <DeliriumTremens> menus are way smoother now
[16:09] <three14> no real speed issues here. slight delay using my tv remote with CEC
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[16:10] <IT_Sean> I never had menu speed issues running off the SD
[16:10] <mengine> just recieved my 512mb
[16:10] <IT_Sean> I use an RF keyboard as my remote. My TV doesn't support CEC
[16:10] <mengine> any special sd card?
[16:10] <DeliriumTremens> i just use the xbmc iphone remote
[16:10] <IT_Sean> just a normal SD card
[16:10] <DeliriumTremens> cec works fine too, but my tv remote is misisng a crucial button
[16:10] <IT_Sean> forget the brand and class, sorry.
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[16:10] <three14> for what it's worth I am using one of my oldest 2GB sd cards on the Pi/openelec setup in the living room. no speed issues.
[16:11] <mengine> np got a class 10 , should fit it
[16:11] <IncognitoMan> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/28-13055
[16:11] <IncognitoMan> anyone order any of these before?
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[16:12] <three14> IncognitoMan, no, but when i needed another power adapter I got this one: https://www.adafruit.com/products/501
[16:12] <mengine> its possible to mount a nas into xbmc?
[16:12] <three14> no problems
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[16:17] <chod> i found openelec smoother than xbmc on a 256
[16:18] <steve_rox> i shall have to test that if i find its website
[16:19] <IT_Sean> you mean "smoother than raspbmc" ? They are, after all, both xbmc implementations.
[16:19] <chod> yes that
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[16:38] <mengine> thank you all for the nice discussion! (:
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[16:40] <ivotkl> I'm back. Wire got disconnected.
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[16:47] <ivotkl> Would anyone point me to a Calibre-like e-book manager that would work in Raspbian? (Don't know if Calibre would work, have not tried).
[16:47] <kkit> why not try calibre
[16:48] <slysir> mrelephant.com
[16:48] <IncognitoMan> i have a spare nook color charger thats 5v 1.9a
[16:48] <IncognitoMan> would that be alright as a power source for the rpi?
[16:48] <nid0> 3 words typed into google suggests calibre should work fine
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[16:49] <IT_Sean> IncognitoMan: that should be fine.
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[17:02] <Blueness|> Hello everyone :)
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[17:13] <gordonDrogon> IncognitoMan, as long as it can supply at least 700ma it ought to work.
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[17:28] <dexta> afternoon
[17:28] <Blueness|> http://www.newsdownload.co.uk/pages/RPiHeadless.html I have an interest in this design
[17:28] <Blueness|> afternoon :)
[17:29] <Blueness|> So i am curious, can I power the raspi from just the gpio pins?
[17:29] <Blueness|> sorry if i didn't just google it but its not readily apparent if I can
[17:29] <IT_Sean> Blueness|: you can, but it is not recommended.
[17:30] <Blueness|> oh interesting
[17:30] <IT_Sean> You can supply power via the 5v pin, and ground.
[17:30] <Blueness|> ah ok I need to find that
[17:31] <mjr> just be sure you've got the pins right
[17:31] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[17:31] <Blueness|> haha yes
[17:31] <IT_Sean> If you feed 5v into the wrong pin, you Pi goes poof.
[17:31] <Blueness|> i've had experience with that lol
[17:32] <Blueness|> ahh so the 5v and gnd is located next the gpio pins
[17:32] <Blueness|> thats what i originally meant
[17:32] <Blueness|> those can be used to power them correct?
[17:32] <Blueness|> well the pi
[17:33] <mjr> yeah they're not really gpio, just on the gpio headers
[17:33] <Blueness|> yes correct
[17:33] <Blueness|> thanks :)
[17:34] <Blueness|> i definitely want to make my pi mobile
[17:34] <mjr> "gpio" is often used here interchangeably with the "gpio header"
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[17:34] <Blueness|> yea in my head its just pins haha
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[17:35] <Blueness|> good to know i can just power it from there
[17:35] <steve_rox> found a ebay entry for a pi thats been put into a snes case, they demanding ?500 for it , they are insane
[17:35] <mjr> know that you'll bypass the input fuse that way, though. Which can save your nerves a bit, but still.
[17:36] <Blueness|> so 6 AA batteries in series with a 7805 is adequate for powering it I assume
[17:37] <mjr> should be
[17:37] <Blueness|> i'm wondering if I should try a cellphone battery route
[17:37] <Blueness|> i dont really know if theres any advantages to it
[17:37] <Blueness|> but i have a few spare around
[17:38] <Blueness|> steve_rox: 500 euros for an snes case pi is pretty ridiculous
[17:38] <Blueness|> does it accept snes cartridges? lol
[17:38] <steve_rox> no ? not euro
[17:39] <Blueness|> is that pound
[17:39] <Blueness|> i'm a terrible american haha
[17:39] <steve_rox> apprently one the carts has had a hdd shoved into it with a usb cable comeing out
[17:39] <Blueness|> why does it need an hdd..
[17:40] <steve_rox> no idea
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[17:40] <Blueness|> i guess its just a simple usb enclosure attached to it
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[17:40] <Blueness|> hd enclosure*
[17:40] <steve_rox> why destroy a vintage gameing system i wonder
[17:40] <Blueness|> i guess its just for aesthetics like a cartridge
[17:41] <Blueness|> more like why make it less user friendly lol
[17:41] <steve_rox> i have a bust sega gamegear here i was gonna try shove a pi into but its tricky
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[17:41] <Blueness|> it'd be neat to have a class snes cartridge with a usb port at the bottom to mimic the old school plugging in
[17:41] <ShadowJK> Blueness|; for a short amount of time I'm guessing.
[17:42] <Blueness|> the game gear is pretty beefy last i remember haha
[17:42] <steve_rox> its case design takes 6AA
[17:42] <steve_rox> i did see someone on utube have one inside the case but with limited details on it
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[17:43] <Blueness|> that seems like that standard way to power it seems
[17:44] <Blueness|> i'm a little rusty on how electronics are powered
[17:44] <Blueness|> haven't done it in over a year or two
[17:44] <Blueness|> lol
[17:44] <steve_rox> i would try install a pi into a gamegear but i have limited use for the pi anyways so i dont think i need a portable one
[17:44] <Blueness|> yea i just like the charm of it
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[17:44] <steve_rox> i do have some working game gears here :D
[17:45] <steve_rox> had to change the caps tho since they had failed
[17:45] <kkit> and a giant pile of batteries?
[17:45] <steve_rox> no
[17:45] <kkit> game gears were power hogs
[17:45] <Blueness|> If I were to power the pi with a microsd phone charger, would the 5v pins on the gpio pin side be able to power an external module device like an lcd display?
[17:45] <steve_rox> yeah
[17:45] <steve_rox> but i use rechargeables
[17:46] <Blueness|> i remember i had to get an ac adapter to stop hemmoraging batteries haha
[17:46] <steve_rox> theres allso a 9v in socket too
[17:46] <Blueness|> i remember i was too impatient for rechargeables and forgetful
[17:46] <Blueness|> and just parked myself next to a power outlet haha
[17:46] <steve_rox> i obtained a small lead acid battery which i connected into the 9v in , lasted many many hours
[17:46] <Blueness|> how do you have 'some' working game gears lol
[17:46] <Blueness|> do you own a shop or something
[17:46] <steve_rox> not that i know of
[17:47] <steve_rox> :-P
[17:47] <Blueness|> lol
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[17:47] <gordonDrogon> 6 x AA's will run a Pi for a few hours.
[17:48] <IT_Sean> Just make sure you regulate the voltage to 5v
[17:48] <Blueness|> hmm wondering if cellphone batteries will get me more time
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[17:48] <Blueness|> wonder what the mAH comparisons are
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> more batteries = more time - regulation is the key.
[17:48] <IT_Sean> 6 AAs, unregulated, peaks at 9v, which WILL kill your pi.
[17:48] <Blueness|> yea for sure
[17:48] <steve_rox> i havent thought of any reasion to have a portable pi yet
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> mobile phone batteries (modern) are LiPo and funny voltages.
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> with funny charging requirements too.
[17:49] <steve_rox> and they explode
[17:49] <Blueness|> i like thought of SSH'ing into a tiny box
[17:49] <steve_rox> in a fireball
[17:49] <Blueness|> maybe build a robot around it lol
[17:49] <Blueness|> i bet mobile phone batteries are more sophisticated than standard ones though its just a hunch lol
[17:50] <steve_rox> no idea
[17:50] <Blueness|> its amazing how they make it juice more in such a tiny block for phones
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> I used to ssh into my nokia n900...
[17:50] <steve_rox> id rather not play with lipo batts since the various dangers
[17:50] <Blueness|> yea i heard some die hard fans rave about the n900 lol
[17:50] <Blueness|> noted.
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> they're safe enough if you have a good charger for them.
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[17:51] <IT_Sean> you need to be really careful charing lipo batts.
[17:51] <Blueness|> just a phone battery charger hah
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> the other trick is to monitor the output voltage and switch off when it gets to the cut-off voltage.
[17:51] <chod> gordonDrogon: was looking at your spi/i2c bits, very intresting
[17:51] <Blueness|> cheap chinese quality one... :(
[17:51] <IT_Sean> charge 'em wrong and they will get angry. And you will not like them when they are angry.
[17:51] <steve_rox> the proper chargers for lipo have computer monitoring progs in them to ballence chargeing
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> chod, yea - they're really just wrappes round what the kernel provides though - but they do make it easy.
[17:51] <Blueness|> how do you charge them wrong o.0
[17:51] <IT_Sean> ...
[17:51] <zleap> hi
[17:52] <Blueness|> i guess you can flip the polarities
[17:52] <IncognitoMan> sadly im having a hard time finding a use for my rpi besides as a xbmc machine
[17:52] <Blueness|> yea seems that way for most
[17:52] <IT_Sean> Blueness|: lipo batteries, like liIon batteries, require a somewhat careful charging curve.
[17:52] <chod> gordonDrogon: you done much more to the command line bits for i2c/spi
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> don't flip the polarities! (or cross the beams ;-)
[17:52] <steve_rox> look up on utube lipo battery explosions
[17:52] <steve_rox> your get a idea how bad they can be
[17:52] <Blueness|> a nice trickle charge would be nice for it
[17:52] <IncognitoMan> especialy now that i have a 1u server lol
[17:52] <Blueness|> just for battery life alone
[17:53] <IT_Sean> If you charge them wrong, you will end up with a chemical, electrical, and metal fire that will be very difficulty to extinguish.
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> chod, just the gertboard stuff in the gpio program, but the v2 version will have drivers for more spi & I2C chips and gpio will be expanded to use them.
[17:53] <Blueness|> well cellphone hasn't exploded yet thank god haha
[17:53] <steve_rox> lipo cells are supposed to be light weight i think
[17:53] <IT_Sean> Blueness|: that is because your mobile phone is DESIGNED to properly charge the battery.
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[17:53] <gordonDrogon> they're heavy weight, but since you need less of them for the same charge capacity, they can appear lighter.
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[17:54] <steve_rox> ive seen iphones expand and pop their screens apart because the lipos go bad
[17:54] <Blueness|> true IT_Sean, i'll definitely take it into consideration just never had issues with my standalone battery charger for my cellphone
[17:54] <Blueness|> I'm sure i can screw it up when hooking it up to the pi though haha
[17:55] <steve_rox> charge lipo and stick a nail thu it and see what happens
[17:55] <Blueness|> I shouldn't be near things that explode tbh haha
[17:55] <steve_rox> boom whooosh fireball
[17:55] <Blueness|> I have a knack for learning the hard way
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> I watched a diver exit the water with 3rd degree burns from the lipo powered heated undersuit he was wearing - his drysuit had sprung a leak and shorted the cells...
[17:56] <steve_rox> madness
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> the battery went overboard as soon as we got him out of his suit.
[17:56] <Blueness|> what are some high capacity cheap alternatives? lol
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> there aren't any.
[17:57] <Blueness|> makes sense
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[17:57] <gordonDrogon> "safe" is sealed lead acid.
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> but their energy density is lower than lipo.
[17:57] <Blueness|> do those ever come small?
[17:57] <Blueness|> ahh take that as a no
[17:57] <chod> :D just dont over charge them
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> not really. I've seen 2v cells and 6 & 12 ...
[17:57] <steve_rox> was looking at a 12v 7.2 ah lead acid batt
[17:58] <steve_rox> not sure how long it would last
[17:58] <steve_rox> its kinda small
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[17:58] <gordonDrogon> 7.2 amps for one hour is 300mA for 24 hours.
[17:58] <steve_rox> one the types i used to power my gamegear once
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> However that assumes a 100% conversion factor.
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[17:59] <steve_rox> so whats the estimated time on that?
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[18:00] <steve_rox> only problem i can think of is what am i gonna safely charge it with
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[18:00] <gordonDrogon> (sealed) lead acid has been around for long enough that there are 1000's of chargers out there for them.
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[18:01] <gordonDrogon> constant voltage from what I recall for SLAs.
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[18:01] <steve_rox> i used to just stick a 12v car battery charger on them
[18:01] <steve_rox> probly a bad idea
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[18:03] <Blueness|> http://www.ebay.com/itm/x3-1500mAh-Battery-Charger-for-LG-Optimus-One-P500-S-LS670-T-P509-M-MS690-/180967446919?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2a22801987
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> it'll be fine.
[18:03] <Blueness|> the battery and charger I have lying around
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> they usually output about 13.8volts and I think SLAs are OK at that (12v ones anyway!)
[18:03] <Blueness|> i have a feeling they'll fare worse than just using standard AA battries
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> one thing to make sure is to use low-loss regulator - SMPS type.
[18:04] <Blueness|> lead acid battery does sound fun to play with lol
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[18:04] <gordonDrogon> I've got a dozen at home - all dead from UPSs though...
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[18:04] <gordonDrogon> the local farm supplies shop sells SLAs at a good price though.
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> and you don't pay postage...
[18:04] <steve_rox> i have some converter board with a fancy chip on it
[18:05] <steve_rox> knocks down voltage without heat waste
[18:05] <steve_rox> i was using it to try boot a pi exclusively off a solar cell
[18:05] <steve_rox> partually worked
[18:05] <Blueness|> solar powered would be awesome
[18:06] <steve_rox> then the cloud came over and the sun went
[18:06] <steve_rox> then winter hit
[18:06] <steve_rox> experment was over
[18:06] <Blueness|> but sounds too hard to keep it charged lol
[18:06] <Blueness|> its amazing how germany pulls off their massive solar power systems
[18:06] <Blueness|> with their crazy winters there
[18:06] <Blueness|> i think they'll hit 50% renewable energy someday
[18:07] <Blueness|> or something obscene
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[18:07] <steve_rox> maybes
[18:07] <Blueness|> ok maybe they are far off lol
[18:07] <Blueness|> Renewable energy - 18% by 2020, 30% by 2030, and 60% by 2050
[18:07] <Blueness|> still neat though what solar can do it crappy environments
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[18:08] <Blueness|> *in
[18:08] <steve_rox> thats if this plannet survives that long
[18:08] <Blueness|> haha
[18:08] <kkit> the planet will survive just fine
[18:08] <kkit> the biosphere, on the other hand...
[18:08] <steve_rox> :-p
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[18:08] <steve_rox> probly have nuclear war by then
[18:08] <Blueness|> i am a hopeless idealist lol
[18:09] <kkit> my money is on a runaway greenhouse effect
[18:09] <Blueness|> 'it'll work out'
[18:09] <kkit> i could be an idealist if i wasn't a scientist familiar with these things
[18:09] <steve_rox> or some kinda climet shift and we go into some ice age
[18:09] <kkit> but this isn't the channel for such discussions :)
[18:09] <Blueness|> truth
[18:09] <Blueness|> things are pretty grim
[18:09] <Blueness|> al gore sounds pretty serious
[18:09] <steve_rox> ppl dont look how grim it is ,they focus more on their profits
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[18:10] <Blueness|> such is civilization lol
[18:11] <steve_rox> i guess
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[18:11] <Blueness|> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-x-2900mAh-battery-USB-Charger-For-Samsung-Galaxy-S-3-III-i535-T999-L710-i9300-/390558748490?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item5aef1d8f4a
[18:11] <Blueness|> that is ridiculous
[18:11] <Blueness|> 2900 mAH per battery
[18:11] <steve_rox> id like to find a scrap usb keyboard to hack its controller for interface buttons
[18:11] <Blueness|> and they're probably tiny
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[18:12] <kkit> Blueness|, assuming the batteries aren't fakes
[18:12] <steve_rox> look like flat style cells
[18:12] <Blueness|> would it be a good idea to power the pi with those?
[18:12] <Blueness|> that is true
[18:12] <IT_Sean> steve_rox: why not just get a USB button input board?
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[18:12] <steve_rox> they are more expensive
[18:12] <steve_rox> so it seems
[18:12] <steve_rox> s
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[18:13] <Blueness|> hmm interface buttons for what?
[18:13] <IT_Sean> i have one that wasn't terribly expensive
[18:13] <IT_Sean> stepcut: check out leobodnar.com
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> 18650's are some of the best batteries to use if you can get them and a charger to go with them.
[18:13] <steve_rox> how much is not terribly expensive hehe?
[18:14] <Blueness|> hmmm
[18:14] <Blueness|> thanks gordonDrogon, will look into it
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[18:14] <Blueness|> wow $11.74 for 2600 mAH a pop
[18:14] <Blueness|> sounds worth it though lol
[18:14] <IT_Sean> steve_rox: i just linked you to the website where i got mine. It looks like mine is discontinued, but, you may want to do your own price research ;)
[18:15] <Blueness|> having two would be nice
[18:15] <Blueness|> attached to a regulator
[18:15] <steve_rox> oh rights
[18:15] <Blueness|> 20% drop would make it close to 5v
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> http://www.torchythebatteryboy.com/p/18650-batteries-chargers.html <-- good site on them.
[18:16] <Blueness|> might be exactly what im dreaming of lol
[18:16] <Blueness|> though i definitely prefer the mobile phone battery form factors more
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[18:16] <Blueness|> the amount i would pay for those i'd definitely tread carefully in charging it lol
[18:17] <Blueness|> though it is definitely decent
[18:17] <steve_rox> model A pi may be more suited for mobile pi
[18:17] <Blueness|> yea i regret getting a model b without the revision
[18:18] <Blueness|> but ethernet is always nice
[18:18] <Blueness|> i would definitely learn towards the samsung galaxy s3 batteries if I could though
[18:18] <Blueness|> assuming they are legit haha
[18:18] <steve_rox> i have one the first gen mdl B versions
[18:19] <Blueness|> 3x 2900 mAh batteries @ 3.7V with charger for $10.99
[18:19] <Blueness|> i think i have first gen as well
[18:19] <Blueness|> i sadly didn't do anything with it for over a year :(
[18:19] <Blueness|> other than boot up raspbian on it
[18:19] <Blueness|> had trouble finding a good display for it and forgot about it lol
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[18:20] <steve_rox> mines loaded now doing nothing significant
[18:20] <steve_rox> i did learn a bit of linux off it
[18:20] <Blueness|> yea i originally intended to learn linux off my pi
[18:20] <Blueness|> but couldn't get over the speed lol
[18:20] <steve_rox> i then telnetted to my router and screwed with that thu it
[18:20] <IT_Sean> steve_rox is right. A model a would be better for mobile (battery run) use.
[18:20] <Blueness|> pretty dumb thinking i would use it like a home pc
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[18:20] <IT_Sean> Significantly less power draw.
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[18:21] <Blueness|> definitely better oriented towards mobile projects
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[18:21] <Blueness|> yea i'm considering model A now
[18:21] <steve_rox> but only one usb port
[18:21] <IT_Sean> Yes, there is that
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[18:21] <Blueness|> the person that used the latest revision model A claimed a pretty hefty battery life improvement
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[18:22] <IT_Sean> But, how many USB ports do you need for a mobile project?
[18:22] <steve_rox> and a hub would need more power i think
[18:22] <Blueness|> yea i definitely want a lot more plugs though
[18:22] <Blueness|> just for the sake of having it lol
[18:22] <Blueness|> i want 3 at least lol
[18:22] <Blueness|> 802.11n, keyboard, mouse
[18:22] <Blueness|> mouse optional i guess
[18:22] <IT_Sean> you only need the 802.11. You can SSH in
[18:22] <Blueness|> a mini cheesy laptop
[18:22] <Blueness|> yea
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[18:23] <steve_rox> i have a tiny 3.5 lcd i can shove in it too
[18:23] <Blueness|> how much draw does the hdmi take roughly
[18:23] <Blueness|> well as a % over just idle usage
[18:23] <Blueness|> is it like a major draw?
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[18:23] <Blueness|> maybe it is since it'll use the gpu heavily
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[18:25] <Blueness|> lol i strangely want to do some odd things like attach some servos to it if I could
[18:25] <steve_rox> wish there was a way to change screen rez without reboot on composite video
[18:25] <Blueness|> maybe have some gpio pins exposed so i can control it like a robot from my desktop
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[18:26] <Blueness|> i've never used composite sadly
[18:26] <Blueness|> i definitely want to try that route some day
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[18:26] <steve_rox> well the 3.5 display uses compo
[18:27] <steve_rox> since its clearness quality varies on res id need to change it
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> yes, if you don't need USB/Ethernet then Model A is definately the way to do it.
[18:27] <steve_rox> but i dont want to have to reboot all the time
[18:28] <Blueness|> yea ethernet i could live without
[18:28] <Blueness|> but i definitely need the usb ports
[18:28] <Blueness|> a mobile htpc almost
[18:28] <steve_rox> wonder if you could shove a non powered hub on it
[18:28] <Blueness|> would be nice
[18:29] <Blueness|> yea a hub would be nice
[18:29] <Blueness|> can never have enough usb ports imo
[18:29] <Blueness|> haha
[18:29] <IT_Sean> non-powered hub probably won't work
[18:29] <IT_Sean> you really need a powered one.
[18:29] <Blueness|> depends i guess
[18:29] <Blueness|> on what you are attaching
[18:29] <Blueness|> for keyboards fine maybe?
[18:29] <Blueness|> keyboard/ledless mouse
[18:29] <IT_Sean> I think you will find that a np-hub, and a keyboard, and a mouse might be all a mit much
[18:29] <IT_Sean> *bit
[18:30] <Blueness|> really?
[18:30] <Blueness|> interesting
[18:30] <Blueness|> 500mAH is the specs for a standard usb port
[18:30] <Blueness|> anymore would require power?
[18:30] <IT_Sean> That's what my experience has been,
[18:30] <Blueness|> *500mA
[18:30] <Blueness|> mm experience > all
[18:30] <IT_Sean> You can quote specs all day long. They really mean toss all when it comes to the pi.
[18:30] <Blueness|> I haven't really tinkered too much in electronics to really say much haha
[18:31] <steve_rox> maybe i should give it a go sometime
[18:31] <Blueness|> ok sorry to bring it up again but anyone wanna give an opinon on http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-x-2900mAh-battery-USB-Charger-For-Samsung-Galaxy-S-3-III-i535-T999-L710-i9300-/390558748490?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item5aef1d8f4a
[18:31] <Blueness|> as a power source
[18:32] <Blueness|> on the small chance it is legit
[18:32] <Blueness|> and i have a voltage regulator ready
[18:32] <Blueness|> maybe two in series
[18:32] <Blueness|> would that be a viable option to power a pi?
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[18:33] <Blueness|> i see no reasons why it wouldn't work but I dont trust my electronic intuition enough lol
[18:33] <Blueness|> the latest mobile phone batteries are quite amazing
[18:33] <Blueness|> given how much R&D has been put into it
[18:33] <Grievre> BlueDreams: Er, the battery or the charger?
[18:33] <Blueness|> both lol
[18:33] <Blueness|> the batteries for sure though
[18:33] <Blueness|> the charger just so it won't explode on me
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> Blueness|, it seems /too/ cheap.
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[18:34] <Blueness|> i've bought similar products before and they worked fine
[18:34] <Blueness|> yea i know what you mean gordonDrogon
[18:34] <Blueness|> the mAH is astounding comparing it to the 18500 you mentioned earlier
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> Blueness|, however he has a very large positive feedback, so ...
[18:35] <Blueness|> assuming it were stock from a nice manufacturer would it be a viable option to power a pi?
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> standard 3.7v LiPo cells. You'll need a buck converter to get 5v or run 2 is series with an SMPS 5v regulator
[18:35] <Blueness|> are there things like amps i haven't taken into consideration
[18:35] <Blueness|> yea definitely going regulator route
[18:36] <Blueness|> two in series
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> however don't let them get to below 3v on the discharge.
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> so you need to monitor that.
[18:36] <Blueness|> yea I need to learn how to make a battery indicator
[18:36] <Blueness|> just lots of little things
[18:37] <Blueness|> 5800mAh would put the batteries close to tablet range
[18:37] <Blueness|> which is pretty neat
[18:37] <Blueness|> for two tiny batteries
[18:37] <steve_rox> sounds complicated to just use a mobile batt
[18:37] <Blueness|> how so?
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> 2900mAh
[18:37] <steve_rox> cos i sed so :-)
[18:38] <Blueness|> i'm hoping it just as simple as a wire to +/- on the regulator terminals lol
[18:38] <Blueness|> *it's
[18:38] <Blueness|> maybe have a tiny heatsink grille with thermal paste haha
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> you should pu a decoupling capacitor or 2 on the regulator. check the specifications
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> if it needs a heatsink you're using the wrong regulator. use an SMPS one.
[18:38] <Blueness|> hmm
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[18:39] <gordonDrogon> e.g. http://uk.farnell.com/xp-power/sr10s05/switching-regulator-5v-1a-o-p/dp/1861095?Ntt=sr10s05
[18:39] <Blueness|> thanks
[18:39] <Blueness|> http://www.newsdownload.co.uk/pages/RPiHeadless.html this is just sort of whats fueling my interest atm
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> I'd be tempted to use something like that with all 3 batteries connected together.
[18:40] <Blueness|> he uses a similar TSR 1-2450
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> However if you're doing that then you need to charge them together & make sure they're balanced correctly.
[18:40] <Blueness|> 3 batteries sounds rough lol
[18:40] <Blueness|> 9v is a lot to dissipate
[18:40] <Blueness|> actually probably not
[18:40] <Blueness|> hmm never considered balance
[18:40] <pksato> x-rays http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3468
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[18:41] <Blueness|> whoa
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[18:41] <Blueness|> x-rayed pis
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> that TSR part is more or less the same part on the farnell site I mentioned.
[18:42] <Blueness|> oh neat
[18:42] <Blueness|> yea the efficiency of switched mode is amazing
[18:42] <Blueness|> i dont know why its so much better than plain old 7805's
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> 3 x 3.7 = 11.1v - going via those types of regulators is fine - it's the old fashioed LM7805's that get HOT and waste heat.
[18:42] <Blueness|> yea
[18:42] <Blueness|> i'm used to 7805's haha
[18:43] <Blueness|> i made my own 5v power supply once
[18:43] <Blueness|> it got hot pretty quick
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> SMPS = Switched Mode Power Supply. They are DC to DC convertors with little transformers inside. much more efficient, so don't get hot.
[18:43] <Blueness|> though i did put ALOT of load o it lol
[18:43] <Blueness|> *on
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> yea, you need a heatsink for over 500mA on a 7805.
[18:43] <Blueness|> my circuits classed had a power supply building project where the professor would stick on a 10 ohm load and see who's designed fared the best
[18:44] <Blueness|> ok on the heatsink comment
[18:45] <wroberts1> non-isolated switching converters only need inductor
[18:45] <wroberts1> and input and output capicitors
[18:45] <Blueness|> hmm never used an inductor
[18:47] <Blueness|> is the inductor meant to just draw the excess voltage?
[18:47] <Blueness|> with the caps to just smooth it out?
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> no.
[18:48] <wroberts1> wont function at all without those capacitors
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> it's acting as an oscillator/transformer.
[18:48] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: er, they don't necessarily have transformers unless they're isolating
[18:48] <Blueness|> hmm ok i'm slightly lost but i can google it haha
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> maybe talking about different things - regulators vs. mains PSUs?
[18:49] <pksato> have a lots of cheap (~$5) dc-dc converters on market.
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> there are lots on ebay, but not a lot I've seen the same size as a 7805.
[18:49] <Blueness|> hmm dc-dc sounds nice...
[18:49] <Blueness|> wait its the same thing as what we've been talking about lol
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> Blueness|, that's what that link on the Farnell site is to - and the RS one on that headless project.
[18:50] <Blueness|> yea just realized
[18:50] <pksato> final module are small that heatsink need to 78xx
[18:50] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: Hmm, in fact, a buck regulator can be implemented without an inductor even
[18:51] <wroberts1> this is 3A out with 5.5v to 24v in http://www.semtech.com/images/product/diagram1/sc410-bd.gif
[18:51] <Blueness|> i'm not too confident in soldering so i would prefer something super simple haha
[18:51] <mjr> I recall there was some mini wifi stick that'd get enough power through the pi to work, what was it?
[18:52] <Blueness|> yea im interested in a wifi stick as well
[18:52] <Blueness|> the really tiny ones seem to work fine
[18:52] <Blueness|> wroberts1: what am i looking at lol sorry
[18:53] <Blueness|> hmm a step-down regulator
[18:53] <Blueness|> up to 3A output sounds nice but sounds like overkill
[18:54] <mjr> ah, http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters says at least ISG-1507N Mini USB would work (at least for the writer) directly plugged in
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, yea - I remember using one to do rs232 stuff with a couple of caps. one of the max... chips IIRC.
[18:54] <Blueness|> mjr: thanks for the list :)
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[18:55] <yoyomoony> Hi all
[18:55] <mjr> dx doesn't find that model number though and the "Mini 100mW " etc stick that the have might be the same... or not
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[18:55] <Blueness|> Hello yoyomoony
[18:55] <mjr> okay, it's not, it's WN720N
[18:56] <mjr> oh well, there's several options there it seems
[18:56] <mjr> just that I'm currently ordering stuff from dx anyway
[18:57] <mjr> most specify that a powered hub is needed, which is not surprising. I suppose it might also depend on the radio conditions...
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> right. battle the traffic and head home.
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[18:58] <mjr> of course, if one'd be evil and bypass the input fuse, most would probably work anyway, until the board fries ;)
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[18:59] <mjr> ah, found it, this _reportedly_ worked without a hub _at least for someone_:http://dx.com/p/mini-usb-2-4ghz-150mbps-802-11b-g-n-wifi-wireless-network-card-adapter-black-120933
[18:59] <sheldor> hello can i SOMEHOW map a joystick key to ESC in retrorach?
[19:00] <mjr> also n doesn't work on the linux driver at least yet, but that doesn't matter to me really
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[19:00] <Blueness|> nice $6.30
[19:01] <Blueness|> kinda weird its brandless
[19:01] <Blueness|> but ralink chipset means its probably decent
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[19:02] <Blueness|> is it safe to say if it had the right chipset it will always work with linux
[19:02] <Blueness|> well just a supported chipset
[19:02] <Xeph> I tested my SD card with a destructive, complete badblocks check and it reported no errors, but still ext4 file systems break. What might that be?
[19:03] <Grievre> Xeph: I'm not sure that badblocks works effectively on nand flash
[19:03] <yoyomoony> Xeph, e2fsick -y -f ?
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[19:04] <yoyomoony> Xeph, the command for mine : 'e2fsck -y -f /dev/mmcblk0p2'
[19:04] <Blueness|> how do you know its an ext4 file system that is broken?
[19:05] <Xeph> Blueness|, yoyomoony: I know because of the output of fsck and the result of making fsck fix the FS
[19:06] <yoyomoony> So, you just have to repair the partition.
[19:06] <yoyomoony> I don't understand your problem.
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[19:07] <Blueness|> is this after a format?
[19:07] <advisor> hello all
[19:07] <Xeph> Some files mutually use blocks, fsck says. After "repairing", the system won't boot anymore
[19:07] <Blueness|> hello advisor
[19:07] <yoyomoony> hi advisor
[19:07] <advisor> please tell me, is my cable broken, or does the raspi only support mono sound on the 3.5mm
[19:08] <yoyomoony> advisor, I don't know
[19:08] <ShadowJK> I have a card which passes badblocks check but corrupts simpe mp3s even on vfat filesystem :p
[19:09] <ShadowJK> I also have a card which passes badblocks 9 times but fails 10th time, then passes 9 times again
[19:09] <Blueness|> that is weird
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[19:09] <ShadowJK> Wear leveling is hiding the broken block
[19:10] <Xeph> ShadowJK: Our cards seem to be special purpose cards. Those that are used when a spy gets a new mission.
[19:10] <Blueness|> lol
[19:10] <Blueness|> disintegrating memory cards isn't my cup of tea
[19:11] <yoyomoony> Xeph, That's weird. e2fsk works very well most of time.
[19:11] * ShadowJK is afraid of fsck on flash
[19:11] <Genghis-John> this pi will self destruct in 5 seconds
[19:11] <wroberts1> do those $6.30 usb wifi adapters work good?
[19:12] <yoyomoony> I've already use e2fsk when the system boot up. What is the problem of use it on flash ShadowJK ?
[19:12] <Genghis-John> I think you still need a powered hub for them don't you?
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[19:14] <Blueness|> wish it wasn't such a gamble if they just posted the mA draw on it
[19:14] <Blueness|> hmm it says 100mW on it
[19:14] <mjr> 19:54 < mjr> ah, http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters says at least ISG-1507N Mini USB would work (at least for the writer) directly plugged in
[19:15] <Blueness|> yea theres a list of viable non-powered wifi dongles
[19:15] <Xeph> yoyomoony: That's why I think the card itself might be broken - I search for the proper way to check that, as badblocks passed w/o error. I had several installations/partitions on the card now, and at some point some binaries won't be loaded during boot, files are currupt etc.
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[19:16] <Blueness|> theres not much you can do after a repartition with the same r/w errors Xeph
[19:16] <Blueness|> well reformat
[19:16] <yoyomoony> Xeph, You can try this : dump the sd card on a computer, buy another card, dump the backup on the new card, e2fsk the partition on the new card
[19:16] <Xeph> Nah, I did completely reformat the partition.
[19:16] <Blueness|> I've done some suspicious things like partition off a drive in hopes of isolating the bad blocks and avoiding that partition but its only a temporary time wasting solution haha
[19:17] <Blueness|> yoyomoony, isn't that just saying get a new card haha
[19:17] <Xeph> I don't need the data??? But I dont want to set the raspberry up again and again, just because I dont see why the partition breaks every time.
[19:18] <Blueness|> if all attempts are marking bad blocks fail then there isn't much recourse lol
[19:18] <Blueness|> *at
[19:18] <yoyomoony> Yeah, so just buy another card :)
[19:18] <Xeph> These damned card cost almost as much as the raspberry, but of course I considered that :)
[19:19] <Blueness|> cards are rather cheap
[19:19] <Blueness|> depending on how you're using it I guess
[19:19] <Blueness|> class 10 can get pricey though
[19:19] <Blueness|> though why would you want to go lower
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[19:21] <Blueness|> i find it interesting that wifi adapter uses more power the further you are from the access point
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[19:21] <Blueness|> so a powered hub is sometimes necessary
[19:22] <Blueness|> i've no experience with one though so I can't say
[19:22] <mjr> yes, as I said radio conditions may certainly play a part in if you need the hub or not
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[19:24] <Blueness|> dumb question maybe but are there powered hubs that you can go off the pi's battery supply?
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[19:24] <Blueness|> when i think powered hubs i think wall socket tied ones
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[19:26] <mjr> more like illegible question
[19:26] <Blueness|> i'm sure with some hacking it'd be possible
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[19:26] <Blueness|> ok well a powered hub that doesn't use a wall socket
[19:26] <Blueness|> battery powered usb hub
[19:26] <Blueness|> does that exist? lol
[19:27] <mjr> if you have a 5V battery-backed source, you can power pretty much any hub with it via a suitable cable...
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[19:28] <mjr> I do seem to recall seeing hubs that will specifically do batteries
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[19:30] <Blueness|> powering a device is always the most annoying part of a project lol
[19:31] <Blueness|> at least mobile projects
[19:31] <Blueness|> http://the-gadgeteer.com/2012/12/17/detech-solar-powered-battery-4-port-usb-hub-and-charger/
[19:32] <Blueness|> wow that thing is neat
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[19:32] <Blueness|> too bad my experience with solar charged batteries is them dying after a month or two lol
[19:32] <mjr> just don't expect it to charge very well using the solar
[19:32] <mjr> tiny solar cell is tiny
[19:32] <steve_rox> i have a 12v solar cell
[19:32] <Blueness|> yea the surface area on that is pretty negligible
[19:33] <steve_rox> i forget what wattage it is
[19:33] <steve_rox> in bright light it could make a pc fan spin at max speed
[19:34] <Blueness|> nice
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[19:34] <steve_rox> i tryed to boot the pi on it but got into a endless reboot cycle
[19:34] <Blueness|> yea i'd be wary of any unstable power
[19:35] <ShadowJK> you always want to pair energy storage with solar cells
[19:35] <steve_rox> i wasent expecting it to be stable
[19:35] <steve_rox> just did it for fun i guess
[19:35] <Blueness|> yea definitely worth tinkering with
[19:35] <Blueness|> i'd love a solar powered pi
[19:35] <Blueness|> i need to find some inductive charge methods for it...
[19:36] <steve_rox> i have that 3.5 lcd composite which i addapted so you can power it off a usb plug
[19:36] <Blueness|> i wish i knew how they worked more
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[19:36] <Datalink-M> Solar panels should be rated twice the power draw of your project and I would couple it with solar safe rechargable batteries
[19:36] <steve_rox> the pi cant power it alone tho
[19:36] <Blueness|> solar safe?
[19:37] <Blueness|> yea i wouldn't imagine a pi powering anything pretty lol
[19:37] <Blueness|> i would think solar charging is like trickle charging lo
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[19:37] <steve_rox> we dont get much sun in the uk so solar exclusive is not a good idea
[19:37] <Datalink-M> There are batteries designed for solar projects, some batteries don't like inconsistant charge
[19:37] <steve_rox> deep cycle bats/
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[19:38] <Blueness|> yea i can see that being an issue Datalink-M
[19:38] <Datalink-M> Among others, NiMH would probably be my pref or LiIon with the right charger circuit in either case, solar friendly would still be part of it after that
[19:39] <steve_rox> place pi in desert i guess for solar , the sd may melt or something tho
[19:39] <Blueness|> lol
[19:39] <Datalink-M> Yeah, make sure you keep the Pi in it's safe operating temos
[19:39] <Datalink-M> Temps
[19:39] <Blueness|> is there an easy way to implement wireless inductive charging for LiOn batteries?
[19:40] <ShadowJK> cellphone manufacturers are doing wireless resonant inductive charging
[19:41] <Blueness|> yea i power my tablet with a wireless charger
[19:41] <Blueness|> i never want to go back to wired haha
[19:41] <Datalink-M> Yeah, inductive coupling pair from Seeed Studios and a charging circuit
[19:42] <Blueness|> i have an hp touchstone, wondering if i could use to somehow power/charge a pi
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[19:43] <steve_rox> so if your going to make a portable pi , what display will you use?
[19:44] <Blueness|> mainly headless for now with basic 7seg type led display haha
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[19:44] <steve_rox> oh :P
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[19:44] <Blueness|> i'm just sort of throwing out ideas at this point
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[19:45] <steve_rox> did you see the xray images that mad dentist did of the rpi?
[19:45] <Blueness|> yea
[19:45] <tidux> ooh, xray images?
[19:45] <Blueness|> that was cool
[19:45] <tidux> link?
[19:45] <ipsifendus> o_0
[19:45] <steve_rox> its on the home page
[19:45] <tidux> cool
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[19:45] <steve_rox> various images
[19:45] <Datalink-M> steve_rox, Adafruit has some small displays below 3 inch
[19:45] <steve_rox> but they cost alot
[19:46] <Datalink-M> .....
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[19:46] <Blueness|> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=3.5%22+reverse+lcd&LH_PrefLoc=1&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1
[19:47] <steve_rox> the pi xrays are most interesting
[19:47] <Blueness|> stuff like that would be adequate maybe
[19:47] <Datalink-M> http://adafruit.com/products/911 40 USD, that's a pi cost...
[19:47] <Blueness|> i thought xrays require some sort of radiation to have stuff show up
[19:47] <kkit> yes, the radiation is the x-ray
[19:48] <SwK> I was thiking about getting something like this https://www.adafruit.com/products/358
[19:48] <steve_rox> Blueness| thats the lcd i have
[19:48] <Datalink-M> Crays?
[19:48] <steve_rox> addapted to accept usb power
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[19:48] <steve_rox> no more 12v
[19:48] <Blueness|> that 1.8" looks nice
[19:48] <Blueness|> i like the breadboard in the back :)
[19:49] <Datalink-M> SwK, you'll have to write a driver for that one... or get one
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[19:49] <Datalink-M> It doesnnt have PAL
[19:49] <SwK> Datalink-M: I'm already writing drivers for other custom hardware whats one more? heh
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[19:50] <Blueness|> where does one start when writing drivers? lol
[19:50] <Blueness|> i'd like to get into it someday
[19:50] <SwK> i usually start in vim ;P
[19:50] <Datalink-M> I need to get or write drivers for my 64X96 SPI display
[19:50] <SwK> and muddle my way through it
[19:50] <Blueness|> lol
[19:50] <SwK> I'm not writing kernel drivers mind you
[19:51] <Blueness|> i am still a vim noob :(
[19:51] <Datalink-M> Basically start editing source, find a similar driver's source and mod it
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> I've been doing some stuff with SPI based LCD displays on the Pi. Lots of fun.
[19:51] <SwK> I'm really writing an app that uses I2C to control some custom hardware??? thats not as involved I think as trying to panic my box
[19:51] <SwK> the adafruit one I linked is SPI
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> SwK, user I2C from userland?
[19:52] <SwK> gordonDrogon: using wiringPi ;)
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[19:52] <SwK> gordonDrogon: have wiringPi working inside freeswitch now
[19:52] <Datalink-M> I'd love to have a framebuffer console on my SPI display
[19:52] <martk100> I am trying to compile xbmc. During make I get the following error :- "libavcodec/h264.c:4307:1: fatal error: opening dependency file libavcodec/h264.d: Permission denied" . I do not have the file libavcodec/h264.d only .c . How do I change permissions on a file I don't have?
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> excellent. how is freeswitch these days? Last time I looked it was still a bit ropey, but that was some years ago.
[19:53] <SwK> gordonDrogon: handling millions of calls a day I would estimate
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> SwK, yea, but I know asterisk installs that do that too.
[19:53] <Datalink-M> Martin`
[19:53] <Datalink-M> Blah...
[19:54] <Datalink-M> martk100, get the files
[19:54] <SwK> asterisk requires 10 times the hardware tho lol
[19:54] <Datalink-M> Permission error can be because there's no file
[19:54] <Blueness|> i definitely want to write drivers for something simple
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> SwK, I never found that myself - however I've more or less dropped out of the whole VoIP thing now. Too much hard work.
[19:55] <Blueness|> are doing it as root martk100?
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[19:55] <Datalink-M> Blueness|, find some sensor on sparkfun or adafruit and try to make it work, best way to start
[19:55] <martk100> Datalink-M: You mean obtain the file from git or somewhere . Then where do I put it?
[19:55] <SwK> gordonDrogon: I've been running a political telemarketing company for many years, we have 2 platforms ones asterisk based (we just have not converted the controllers to handle freeswitch yet), they both do voice broadcast as surveys, same hardware, the asterisk boxes top out at about 250 calls the FS boxes top out around 2500 concurrent calls
[19:56] <Blueness|> i've done some c projects for a wireless ultrasonic range finder
[19:56] <Blueness|> more microcontroller based
[19:56] <Blueness|> i've never done anything involving linux lol
[19:56] <martk100> Blueness: No the guide I am following did not put sudo. That may be the problem. I will try with sudo. Thanks.
[19:57] <SwK> I've hear people say asterisk will do > 250 concurrent, but I have never actually seen that in production, and everyone who says they have done it I've invited them to my lap to reproduce so I can document it but no one has taken me up on the offer
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[19:58] <gordonDrogon> I could whing on for hours about asterisk, but I feel there's no point. I use it and am not changing until I eventually wind-up my VoIp stuff compltely - that'll be a few year down the line though.
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> it's hard to get rid of customers (overnight) who want a phone service
[19:59] <SwK> yeah
[19:59] <SwK> it is
[19:59] <SwK> and dont start on faxing :P
[19:59] <Blueness|> lol
[20:00] <Datalink-M> Faxing is my bane...
[20:00] <Blueness|> i've never seen a fax in my life lol
[20:00] <Blueness|> hope i never will
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[20:00] <steve_rox> i once destroyed a fax machine
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[20:01] <Datalink-M> I think I'm going to find reports on the insecurity of faxes and include them as cover letters to gov't agencies that demand I fax them secure documents
[20:01] <steve_rox> that was about it for my experences with it
[20:01] <Blueness|> the bureaucrats will fax their concerns to someone that cares
[20:01] <steve_rox> my old dial up modem has fax support
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[20:02] <steve_rox> never used it
[20:02] <steve_rox> heh
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> Blueness|, I've got some of those dual-horn ultrasonic units - one day I'll connect one to a Pi..
[20:02] <bolivar> hi gang, i'm trying to use cryptsetup (in raspbian) to encrypt a partition on an external hdd. I get the following error: "Cannot initialize device-mapper. Is dm_mod kernel module loaded?"
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> the single horn ones are far better for 4x the cost though.
[20:02] <Datalink-M> bolivar, is it loaded?
[20:03] <SwK> gordonDrogon: https://github.com/swk/switchpi/blob/master/mod_switchpi/mod_switchpi.c if you are interested??? wiringpi to mcp23017 to matrix keypad and hookswitch
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[20:03] <gordonDrogon> bolivar, you're going to slow down an already slow system - good luck!
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[20:03] <SwK> gordonDrogon: the codes ugly and needs a serious cleanup/refactor to spit stuff out??? but it works
[20:03] <bolivar> Datalink-M: i don't know! I got a raspberry pi so that I could learn to swim by throwing myself into a pool...
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> SwK, neat. you're going to hate wiringPi v2 though :)
[20:03] <SwK> lol whys that?
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[20:04] <bolivar> gordonDrogon: It's not my system partition or anything. It's just a partition for periodic backup of my personal files
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> SwK, have a look at: http://wiringpi.com/extensions/i2c-mcp23017/
[20:04] <Datalink-M> bolivar, afraid Inm gonna say gordonDrogon's pointing a valid issue out
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> bolivar, it's possible the module wasn't compiled for the kernel in the first place if you can't modprobe it...
[20:05] <bolivar> how do it "modprobe" it?
[20:05] <Datalink-M> sudo modprobe dm_mod
[20:05] <bolivar> aha
[20:05] <SwK> gordonDrogon: sweet doesnt hurt my feelings at all will make it easier for people to use the 23017s??? are you making wrappers for the 23008s also?
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> SwK, I haven't yet - I'll need to get one for the 23008 - brb - googling :)
[20:05] <bolivar> Datalink-M: Yields "Cannot initialize device-mapper. Is dm_mod kernel module loaded?"
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[20:06] <bolivar> Oops
[20:06] <Datalink-M> Repeat or new error?
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[20:06] <bolivar> Datalink-M: sudo modprobe dm_mod yields: "libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:554 kmod_search_moddep: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.2.27+/modules.dep.bin'"
[20:06] <SwK> gordonDrogon: the 23008 is just like the 23017 except it only has 8 GPIO pins, iirc from the datasheet I think the registers match up to GPIOA on the 23017
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> SwK, oh, it's a cut-down version.
[20:06] <bolivar> datalink-m: accidentally repasted the same text
[20:06] <Datalink-M> Heh, figured, why I asked that
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> SwK, in that case I'll add it in - untested until I get some hardware. (& the SPI variant too)
[20:07] <Datalink-M> You used sudo, right?
[20:07] <bolivar> yeah
[20:07] <SwK> gordonDrogon: I have a sack of the 08s, feel free to let me know and I'll test it
[20:07] <Datalink-M> gordonDrogon, when I get home I could probably help test
[20:07] <Datalink-M> Or SwK has more specific hardware
[20:08] <Datalink-M> bolivar, apt-cache search libkmod
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> SwK, ok.
[20:08] <Datalink-M> I would but the M denotes I'm on my cell phone
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[20:09] <bolivar> datalink-m: libkmod-dev - libkmod development files
[20:09] <bolivar> libkmod2 - libkmod shared library
[20:09] <home> Datalink: ty
[20:09] <SwK> Datalink-M: I just happen to have a stack of these MCP parts laying around for a project I am working on??? I ended up double ordering the 23017s vs what I really needed??? so hey lets have fun with them
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[20:09] <gordonDrogon> tonights test is to put an 23017 (i2c) and a 23S17 (spi) on a breadboard, integreate them into wiringPi, then use a Pi GPIO pin plus one pin off the I2C and one pin off the SPI chips to drive a 74x595 shift register - just 'because' ..
[20:09] <Datalink-M> bolivar: sudo apt-get install libkmod
[20:10] <Datalink-M> bolivar: sudo apt-get install libkmod-dev
[20:10] <Datalink-M> Second, rather
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> http://wiringpi.com/extensions/shift-register-74x595/
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> you can now digitalWrite () to a single bit in a 595 shift register.
[20:10] <Blueness|> maybe apt-get build-dep?
[20:10] <Datalink-M> You just searched for the package that has it, now you're installing it
[20:11] <bolivar> gotcha
[20:11] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: how fast should wire be, to read 8 bits from an io expander?
[20:11] <bolivar> what's the difference between apt-cache search and apt-get search?
[20:12] <kkit> the latter doesn't exist
[20:12] <bolivar> or maybe that's a question for another day.... I installed that package
[20:13] <bolivar> kkit: ah yes :) I'm used to using aptitude
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, if it's I2C, then it's a 16-bit transfer out then an 8-bit transfer in, so 24-bits - at 100,000 bits/sec so ...
[20:14] <bolivar> datalink-m: I installed libkmod-dev, but modprobe dm_mod still gives me: libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:554 kmod_search_moddep: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.2.27+/modules.dep.bin'
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[20:14] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, about 4000 transactions/sec I reckon.
[20:15] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: hmm, odd. I'm getting some *really* slow data, then: 0.4ms for a single read. Something's odd.
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[20:15] <advisor> hi everybody
[20:15] <advisor> can someone tell me today if my cable is broken or if the 3.5 does only mono?
[20:15] <dreamreal> This is on an arduino, but it still shouldn't be that slow.
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, no - the arduino should be faster than the Pi too - less overhead.
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[20:16] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, however I've never used the supplied i2c code on the Arduino - I wrote my own...
[20:16] <IT_Sean> advisor: the audio jack on the pi is stereo, but it is of terribly poor quality
[20:16] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: I'm using Wire from arduino.cc, the adafruit mcp23008 is even slower
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[20:16] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, oh hang on - 0.4ms per read - that's about right....
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> I read it was 0.4s per read initially.
[20:17] <dreamreal> oh, no :)
[20:17] <advisor> IT_Sean: i have noticed the quality .. but i only get sound on one speaker, and i believe i have read the "mono" somewhere .. do you know where i could check ?
[20:17] <dreamreal> it's 0.45-0.47ms per 8-bit read
[20:17] <advisor> (changing cable while waiting for reply)
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> I reckoned 4000/sec - 1/4000 = 0.25ms
[20:17] <advisor> IT_Sean: si. it was teh cable
[20:17] <advisor> thank you for clarifying this
[20:18] <Datalink-M> bolivar, odd, I'll look into it when I get home :/
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> maybe it sends out more bytes - I'd really have to look at the protocol - I was assuming i2c address (8 bits), register (8 bits) then a read of the data (8 bits)
[20:18] <bolivar> datalink-m: thanks anyway for your help
[20:18] <Datalink-M> Half hour till then
[20:18] <ladoga> bolivar what does uname -r say?
[20:18] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: no, that's right: write address, 0x09, then read 8 bites
[20:18] <dreamreal> bits, sorry
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[20:19] <bolivar> ladoga: 3.2.27+
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> so 24 bits at 100,000 bits/sec is 0.24mS
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> so if it's taking 20x that, then it doues seem like something is wrong..
[20:20] <ladoga> i thought it might be looking modules.dep.bin from wrong place
[20:20] <ladoga> but seems to be right
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[20:20] <bolivar> ladoga: I haven't done anything exotic to the OS, either. Just installed from the recommended image
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[20:21] <ladoga> bolivar: so do you have that file (which it claims it can't read)?
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[20:21] <bolivar> let me check
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[20:23] <bolivar> ladoga: cat /lib/modules/3.2.27+/modules.dep.bin
[20:23] <bolivar> cat: /lib/modules/3.2.27+/modules.dep.bin: No such file or directory
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[20:24] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: well, it's 2x that, not 20x that
[20:25] <bolivar> ladoga: even the directory doesn't seem to exist...
[20:25] <bolivar> cd /lib/modules/3.2.27+
[20:25] <bolivar> -bash: cd: /lib/modules/3.2.27+: No such file or directory
[20:25] <ladoga> raspbian?
[20:25] <bolivar> yes
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[20:26] <bolivar> /lib/modules countains only the following directory: 3.6.11+
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[20:26] <ladoga> ls /lib/modules/3.2.27+/modules.dep.bin
[20:26] <ladoga> /lib/modules/3.2.27+/modules.dep.bin
[20:26] <ladoga> exists on my system though
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[20:28] <bolivar> I don't know why... but I only have /lib/modules/3.6.11+
[20:28] <bolivar> The kernel version number doesn't match with what uname -r gives me
[20:29] <ladoga> and you're running 3.2.27+
[20:29] <ladoga> yes
[20:29] <bolivar> I don't know what I'm running. I suppose it's 3.2.27, since that's what uname -r says
[20:29] <ladoga> uname -a shows the whole deal
[20:29] <bolivar> 3.2.27+, I mean
[20:30] <ladoga> -r prints the revision of running kernel
[20:30] <bolivar> ladoga: Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[20:30] <bolivar> from uname -a
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[20:35] <sheldor_> hi do you know how to add a game to emulationstation so i can select it from the menu?
[20:36] <DeliriumTremens> sheldor_: have you tried reading the emulationstation readme?
[20:37] <Blueness|> lol
[20:39] <sheldor_> DeliriumTremens: yes
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[20:39] <sheldor_> DeliriumTremens: but it doesnt say how ot add a game
[20:39] <sheldor_> actually, i found the gamelist.xml for roms
[20:39] <sheldor_> but i want to add a standalone game (quake3)
[20:39] <Blueness|> maybe manually edit that
[20:39] <sheldor_> in the dukenukem section
[20:39] <ladoga> bolivar: maybe it would be created by running depmod -a ?
[20:39] <Blueness|> with the correct path
[20:39] <sheldor_> and there isnt a gamelist.xml for that
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[20:39] <sheldor_> Blueness|: there is no file though for the duke3d section
[20:39] <ladoga> just a guess
[20:39] <sheldor_> for the binary section (no rom) i presume
[20:40] <sheldor_> i jsut want to call a binary
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[20:41] <chod> gordonDrogon: the examples for git wiringPi what do i use to check/update to your latest version
[20:41] <sheldor_> actually i found something interesting in ~/.emulationstation/es_systems.cfg
[20:41] <sheldor_> lets try that
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[20:46] <bolivar> ladoga: depmod -a
[20:46] <bolivar> ERROR: could not open directory /lib/modules/3.2.27+: No such file or directory
[20:46] <bolivar> FATAL: could not search modules: No such file or directory
[20:46] <bolivar> :(
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[20:47] <Blueness|> so is it misplaced or just doesn't exist?
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[20:48] <jelly1> or did you just update ;)
[20:48] <sheldor_> yay it worked
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[20:48] <sheldor_> now i just need to edit the artwork somehow
[20:48] <sheldor_> or create a "rom"
[20:48] <Blueness|> good to hear sheldor_ :)
[20:48] <sheldor_> Blueness|: i just copied the doom rom section and set the COMMAND= to the quake3 binary
[20:48] <sheldor_> now i have 2 dooms in emulationstation
[20:48] <sheldor_> but one starts quake3
[20:48] <Blueness|> weird
[20:49] <sheldor_> in the es_systems.cfg
[20:49] <Blueness|> probably can edit the names somewhere
[20:49] <sheldor_> it isnt weird though, it just expects a rom
[20:49] <sheldor_> and i copied the doom rom for the artwork/text etc
[20:49] <sheldor_> no idea how to create a "rom" though
[20:50] <sheldor_> i will investigate deeper into the directory tree
[20:50] <sheldor_> oh i found a theme.xml :)
[20:50] <sheldor_> looks promising
[20:50] <Blueness|> https://github.com/petrockblog/RetroPie-Setup/wiki/EmulationStation
[20:51] <Blueness|> kinda weird theres no automated way to do it
[20:51] <sheldor_> agreed Blueness|
[20:51] <sheldor_> let me check that link
[20:52] <sheldor_> yeah been there
[20:52] <Blueness|> yea just seems manual editing of two files
[20:52] <Blueness|> but i never tried it before
[20:52] <kkit> sounds about right for *nix software
[20:52] <sheldor_> actually the .wad file seems to contain the artwork and stuff
[20:52] <sheldor_> but no idea what format that is
[20:53] <Blueness|> im new *nix haha
[20:53] <Blueness|> *new to
[20:53] <kkit> it's the doom data format
[20:53] <sheldor_> i found the logo.png though :)
[20:53] <sheldor_> let me chang that
[20:53] <kkit> unwad will extract it
[20:54] <sheldor_> its in ~/.emulationstation/themes/<rom>_art/ btw
[20:54] <sheldor_> ah thanks kkit
[20:55] <kkit> Blueness|, get used to editing text files then :)
[20:55] <Blueness|> in vim :(
[20:55] <Blueness|> definitely a learning curve when i tried
[20:55] <Blueness|> still feels weird
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[20:56] <kkit> have you run through vimtutor?
[20:56] <sheldor_> yay artwork interchanged :)
[20:56] <Blueness|> i played through some vim flash game haha
[20:56] <Blueness|> well not flash but it was interesting
[20:56] <kkit> vim adventures?
[20:56] <Blueness|> i'll look into it
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[20:56] <Blueness|> yea lol
[20:56] <Blueness|> it was helpful
[20:56] <kkit> vimtutor is packaged in vim, so you already have it
[20:56] <Blueness|> strangely
[20:57] <kkit> vimtutor is how i learned :)
[20:57] <Blueness|> do people use nano now?
[20:57] <sheldor_> do you like the new artwork? https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lourq3pbXj1qzj5wdo1_400.jpg
[20:57] <Blueness|> or is vim still the champ
[20:57] <kkit> nano is far less capable
[20:57] <Blueness|> i guess it depends on competency lol
[20:57] <Blueness|> nano was more intuitive at least
[20:58] <kkit> it's fine for light text editing, but that's it
[20:58] <Blueness|> i see
[20:58] <ladoga> bolivar: i have an idea
[20:58] <Blueness|> i approve of that doom symbol strategically placed
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[20:59] <ladoga> bolivar: apt-get install --reinstall raspberrypi-bootloader
[20:59] <Blueness|> uh i mean quake*
[20:59] <Blueness|> lol
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> hi sorry - got distracted there.
[21:00] <ladoga> bolivar: running dpkg -L raspberrypi-bootloader i see that it has all the /lib/modules/3.2.27+/ stuff
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> chod, the examples I've just sent are in wiringPi v2 - which I've not released yet.... soon!
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> chod, otherwise - just cd ; git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi
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[21:00] <ladoga> so probably for some reason you don't have it up to date
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[21:01] <ladoga> bolivar: ping
[21:02] <chod> gordonDrogon: just figured, thanks
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[21:03] <chod> gordonDrogon: trying the mcp23s17 example
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[21:03] <chod> gordonDrogon: it needs a.h file ?
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[21:04] <bolivar> ladoga: gonna try that, brb
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[21:05] <bolivar> ladoga: Pong :>
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[21:07] <ladoga> probably apt-get update && apt-get upgrade would have solved it too
[21:08] <Blueness|> upgrade takes forever
[21:08] <Blueness|> do not recommend lol
[21:08] <bolivar> ladoga: I guess I'll have to reboot after that
[21:09] <ladoga> no idea:)
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[21:12] <ladoga> i just know that for some reason your raspberrypi-bootloader package was older than your running kernel
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> chod, sorry - the ones on the wiringpi.com site are for wiringPi v2 - not released yet.
[21:13] <ladoga> and it happens to contain everything in /lib/modules/`uname -r`
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[21:14] <ladoga> anyway I go to sleep now. I hope you get the rest figured out
[21:14] <ladoga> night
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[21:14] <bolivar> ladoga: thanks so much :)
[21:14] <Blueness|> night ladoga
[21:15] <ladoga> np:) i learned something new
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[22:07] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. setting up a wiringPi v2 stress tester - a 23017, a 23S17 and 2 x595's.
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> 10 LEDs connected to the 595's data from the Pi, clock from the 23017 and latch from the 23S17...
[22:08] <SwK> lol
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[22:09] <SwK> gordonDrogon: on the part of the wiringPi API i'm using from v1, how much different is v2 on that part going to be?
[22:09] <SwK> or will i have to totally re-work that part?
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> it's all backward compatible.
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> your code will still work.
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> it will need re-compiling though.
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/stress.c
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[22:13] <Blueness|> Is there a fair number of people in this channel from the UK?
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[22:15] <gordonDrogon> very probably.
[22:15] <three14> that or a lot of people with very strange schedules.
[22:17] <bolivar> strange schedule here!
[22:17] <Blueness|> lol
[22:17] <bolivar> (from Canada!)
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[22:17] <Blueness|> (US here)
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[22:18] <bolivar> Though it's 5pm. Hardly a socially-unacceptable time to be on IRC.
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[22:26] <yoyomoony> Anyone has try to run WebSphere Application Server Liberty Profile on a pi ?
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[22:27] <nid0> Google says yes
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[22:27] <nid0> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/wasdev/entry/websphere_application_server_running_on_the_libery_pi5?lang=en
[22:28] <yoyomoony> I know. But on the channel ?
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[22:31] <chithead> on the irc channel asking for information is better than asking for people
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[22:32] <yoyomoony> ok
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[22:50] <zleap> anyone had a play with that parametric plotter ?
[22:50] <zleap> featured on the pi site the other day
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[23:01] <chod> got youtube on the pi working.
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[23:03] <zleap> yay
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[23:04] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/stressTest.jpg :)
[23:05] <zleap> wow that looks complex
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> that's a mcp23S17 (spi, middle, left), mcp23017 (i2c, middle right) feeding into a paid of 74HC595's driving 10 LEDs.
[23:06] <zleap> ah
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> the 595 shift registers get data from the Pi's own GPIO, clock from the 23S17 and latch from the 23017.
[23:06] <zleap> i have a led bar thing somewhere
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> it's somewhat sub-optimal, but it's working well as a test of wiringPi v2.
[23:06] <zleap> ohh
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[23:07] <zleap> gordonDrogon, u going tomorrow ?
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> things I learned putting that together: an mcp23x17 can short-circuit the 3.3v supply enough to reboot the Pi... (without destroying itself, although they do get hot)
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[23:08] <gordonDrogon> zleap, sure. bringing some easter bircuits too.
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[23:10] <three14> gordonDrogon, i haven't used an 595s with the Pi yet, but can't you get clock and latch from the Pi as well? I guess what I'm really asking is why the need for the mcp23S17 and mcp23017?
[23:10] <zleap> yummy
[23:11] <three14> or are you just showing that you can control the 595s with i2c/spi?
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> three14, absolutely - see http://wiringpi.com/extensions/shift-register-74x595/
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[23:12] <gordonDrogon> three14, what I'm doing here is testing wiringPi v2 - which allows extending the digitalWrite(), digitalRead(), etc. functions with any old GPIO extender chip - even 595's.
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> three14, see: http://unicorn.drogon.net/stress.s to see the program driving all that.
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> oops, http://unicorn.drogon.net/stress.c
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[23:13] <three14> ahh, thank you gordonDrogon.
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> three14, basically I'm making it much easier to add in more gpio expansion chips - analog too.
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[23:15] <three14> gordonDrogon, wow, WiringPi has come a long way since I last looked into it. Fantastic work!
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> cheers! not released v2 yet - still got a few tweaks to do.
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[23:16] <three14> on the arduino i use 595s to free up pins for 16x2 lcds, what's involved to make that work with the Pi as well?
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> but it's nice to be able to digitalWrite() a single pin in a 595 shift register without your main code doing all that bit banging! ('cos I've done it for you ;-)
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[23:17] <three14> iirc, the lib i used to use was ShiftLCD on Arduino.
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> three14, you'll need 2 x 595's to give you 16 bit outputs - then initialise them and just digitalWrite () the bits.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> three14, once I've tried it, you will be able to use my lcd driver with them too.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> so if you tell wiringPi you have the SR's at pin base 100, then initialise the LCD library with those pins and off you go.
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[23:19] <three14> just like that..
[23:19] <three14> i'm impressed.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> well - I've just reduced everything to digitalWrite() digitalRead(), etc.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> you 'register' a new driver and give it a pin-base and off it goes.
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[23:20] <gordonDrogon> in http://unicorn.drogon.net/stress.c the pin bases are just 123, 456 and 789 - any old number will work as long as thy don't overlap.
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[23:21] <gordonDrogon> there is a small overhead as it's currently a linked list to be searched, but it's not much.
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[23:40] <gordonDrogon> zed time. laters!
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[23:41] <zleap> laters
[23:41] <loffa> bye
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