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IRC Log for 2013-03-16

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[0:14] <BillyBag2> Hi, had some trouble with updates, any advice? sudo apt-get update, then, sudo apt-get upgrade, has worked fine before.
[0:15] <loffa> OS?
[0:15] <loffa> Error msg?
[0:15] <BillyBag2> I get errors decompressing and then the FS is screwed up. Had to restore whole lot from backup. Happended a few times now.
[0:15] <BillyBag2> Sorry, raspian OS
[0:16] <BillyBag2> Posibly not updated since Jan this year.
[0:16] <loffa> hmm, sorry I can't help you
[0:17] <loffa> I never had any problems with apt-get
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[0:17] <gusnan> BillyBag2, try on #raspbian ,also here on freenode
[0:17] <BillyBag2> I loose the error messages, somthing like failed to decompress package. Then FS is screwed. fsck will not fix it.
[0:18] <BillyBag2> OK, thanks, I will try that channel.
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[0:23] <gusnan> I hope I havn't done a mistake directing there - I am pretty new to the raspberry stuff myself, so I don't know about the relations between the channels...
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[0:38] <steve_rox> looks like the usb hub from poundland works heh
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[1:17] <neocharles> I have a question, I have two things in /dev/ that are set to root as the owner and group.... I need to be able to access them with some software and such. Being a linux n00b, I've determined I'd need to change this. What's the best route to go about doing this
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[1:18] <neocharles> Someone mentioned changing the owner and group to another group that's already defined, then adding my user account to that group?
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[1:21] <adam_> hello all, I have a question regarding my rpi
[1:22] <adam_> I am trying to run some code upon boot that uses uart but it executes up to the uart code and then nothing... atleast thats what i am understanding as I am not getting anything from the console
[1:22] <adam_> it runs fine when run by itself. I am trying to run the program by using a bash script
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[1:35] <BillyBag2> I think as standard there is some console axtivity at startup on uart port. This can be disabled. Not sure how.
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[1:38] <BillyBag2> This as some stuff about it, not sure it is related... http://raspberrypihobbyist.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/raspberry-pi-serial-port.html
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[2:17] <maxped> is there a command i can run to find out what linux-header-* i have installed? I think i know i just want to verify
[2:18] <Firehopper> isnt there a apt-get that can do that?
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[2:22] <maxped> Firehopper: well, im not sure. i know google has it if i can think of a better way to search for it
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[2:31] <jimerickson> dpkg -l linux-headers-\* | grep ii
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[2:32] <jimerickson> will give a list of all installed headers
[2:33] <maxped> no packages found matching linux-headers-*
[2:33] <jimerickson> dang sorry thought that would work
[2:34] <maxped> i am folllowing this http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=179845 post by 'shig' about 3-4 down
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[2:37] <maxped> i think i found it. uanme -r, although that is giving different result than what i anticipated
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[4:58] <_inc> it's quiet
[4:59] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, it's that time.
[5:00] <_inc> the time when we should be asleep but can't?
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[5:00] <pksato> 1:00 am here.
[5:00] <Hodapp> the time when I've been saying "I should go to bed..." and I start to realize that I've been saying that for 4 hours?
[5:01] <x29a> im past that, its already 5am here ;)
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[5:02] <Hodapp> I'm waiting on this RAID to rebuild...
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[5:08] <SteveThing> anyone available to help with wireless firmware?
[5:09] <SteveThing> When I try to apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree, i get "files list for package 'libqt4-xml:armhf' is not a regular file"
[5:09] <SteveThing> and errors out
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[5:11] <plugwash> what does ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libqt4-xml:armhf.list say?
[5:11] <SteveThing> one sec, my pi is thinking
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[5:12] <SteveThing> 3 files, graphics, icons, info
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[5:15] <plugwash> ok so it's a directory and it's supposed to be a regular file...
[5:15] <plugwash> can you do rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/info/libqt4-xml:armhf.list followed by apt-get install --reinstall libqt4-xml
[5:17] <SteveThing> hmm, still no good.. let me clear my cache and redo an update
[5:18] <SteveThing> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libqtdbus4_4%3a4.8.2+dfsg-11+rpi1_armhf.deb (--unpack):
[5:18] <SteveThing> unable to install (supposed) new info file `/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/shlibs': Is a directory
[5:18] <SteveThing> Errors were encountered while processing:
[5:19] <SteveThing> /var/cache/apt/archives/libqtdbus4_4%3a4.8.2+dfsg-11+rpi1_armhf.deb
[5:19] <SteveThing> and errors out
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[5:25] <SteveThing> this is nutz... i can't even do a clean update & upgrade now
[5:26] <SteveThing> http://pastebin.com/pQVCh3SM
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[5:27] <SteveThing> any sugestions?
[5:28] <plugwash> try rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/info/libqt4-xml:armhf.shlibs
[5:28] <plugwash> then run apt-get -f install again
[5:29] <plugwash> sorry wrong file, try rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/info/libqtdbus4:armhf.shlibs
[5:29] <plugwash> and then run apt-get -f install again
[5:30] <plugwash> and then if that succeeds run apt-get install --reinstall libqt4-xml libqtdbus4
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[5:31] <SteveThing> http://pastebin.com/88rx63BV
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[5:32] <SteveThing> completely fresh img of rasbian and all i did was turn on ssh and install a couple bits of firmware
[5:33] <SteveThing> no overclock or anything like that
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[5:35] <plugwash> try rm -rf /usr/share/lintian/overrides/libqt4-xml
[5:35] <plugwash> and then apt-get install --reinstall libqt4-xml libqtdbus4
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[5:41] <Grievar> what are practical data rates for spidev on raspberry pi?
[5:42] <plugwash> SteveThing, but honestly if you don't have too much of value on there is probablly not worth trying to fix it and better to reimage
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[5:43] <SteveThing> plugwash: nothing on here yet, but the image i used was the latest from the website
[5:43] <SteveThing> i checked the md5 and all
[5:44] <plugwash> unfortunately SD cards are not the worlds most reliable storage devices :(
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[5:45] <plugwash> so i'd just reimage and if it happens again try a different SD card (genuine samsung and sandisk are the best afaict but they are also not the cheapest and fakes can be a problem)
[5:48] <SteveThing> meh, i slapped in a sandisk class 2... let's see how this goes
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[5:50] <SteveThing> i found out the hard way that overclocking to 1GHz with a SanDisk 32GB microSDHC was a bad idea earlier :P
[5:50] <SteveThing> as soon as I installed quake3 and ran it, BOOM, kdb
[5:51] <darkowlzz> Hi, I have a raspberry pi, model-B. It's running on Raspbian with 4GB SD card. When I connect the keyboard/mouse to the usb, it doesn't work. Am I missing something?
[5:51] <Grievar> Why are all of the I2S pins not exposed on the GPIO header?
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[5:51] <SteveThing> darkowlzz: what are you using for a power source
[5:51] <Grievar> darkowlzz: "it doesn't work"?
[5:51] <darkowlzz> wall socket
[5:52] <darkowlzz> yes, keyboard gets power
[5:52] <darkowlzz> numlock light glows
[5:52] <SteveThing> what's the output voltage and amperage?
[5:52] <darkowlzz> and if I insert flash drive, I can access it's contents
[5:53] <Grievar> "wall socket"
[5:53] <darkowlzz> I am using an Android phone's charger to power it
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[5:53] <Grievar> er what? you can access the contents of the flash drive?
[5:53] <Grievar> how?
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[5:53] <Grievar> if it "doesn't work"
[5:54] <darkowlzz> no, keyboard doesn't work, but pendrives work
[5:54] <SteveThing> darkowlzz: Let's clarify.. what doesn't work when you plug in mouse/keyboard? Is the the mouse, the keyboard, or the RPi itself?
[5:54] <_inc> hmmm weechat has interesting defaults
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[5:54] <darkowlzz> mouse/keyboard don't work. I can't type anything or move mouse pointer in Raspberry's desktop
[5:54] <Grievar> oh
[5:55] <Grievar> okay
[5:55] <Grievar> that's what you meant by "it doesn't work"
[5:55] <darkowlzz> yes
[5:55] <Grievar> it wasn't clear if by "it" you meant the mouse and keyboard, or the raspberry pi itself
[5:55] <SteveThing> darkowlzz: what kind of mouse and keyboard are you using?
[5:55] <Zhaofeng_Li> darkowlzz, try a simpler mouse / keyboard
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[5:56] <SteveThing> if you can ssh into the pi, a dmesg output could prove useful too
[5:56] <darkowlzz> Keyboard is Acer, Mode: SK-9621
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[5:56] <darkowlzz> wait a minute
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[6:00] <darkowlzz> here http://pastebin.com/RtWCXyFS
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[6:02] <darkowlzz> SteveThing: from the last line, it looks like it is detecting the device
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[6:05] <darkowlzz> Grievar: found anything?
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[6:10] <SteveThing> darkowlzz: have you tried to do CTRL+Esc at the desktop, does the "start" menu appear?
[6:10] <SteveThing> sorry, had to take my dog out
[6:10] <Grievar> darkowlzz: ?
[6:11] <darkowlzz> no, nothing happens
[6:11] <darkowlzz> I am accessing the desktop via VNC
[6:11] <SteveThing> odd
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[6:12] <darkowlzz> so, my computer's keyboard work on it
[6:12] <darkowlzz> but not the one connected to RB-pi
[6:12] <SteveThing> i notice the mouse doesn't show up... have you tried disconnecting the mouse and see if the keyboard works then?
[6:12] <darkowlzz> I am trying keyboard only, right now
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[6:13] <SteveThing> swap keyboards?
[6:13] <darkowlzz> yes, tried 2 totally different keyboards
[6:15] <darkowlzz> tried a microsoft mouse, just now
[6:15] <darkowlzz> still not working
[6:16] <SteveThing> ok, so let's go back to the power adapter, can you look to see the output voltage and amperage? should be 5VDC @ 1000mA
[6:16] <SteveThing> or higher amps
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[6:17] <SteveThing> woo, fixed my wireless card!
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[6:18] <darkowlzz> output: 5V and 750mA
[6:18] <darkowlzz> ^ power adapter
[6:18] <darkowlzz> SteveThing: ^
[6:19] <SteveThing> there's your problem most likely
[6:19] <darkowlzz> should it be 1000mA
[6:19] <darkowlzz> ?
[6:19] <SteveThing> from what i've read, the model B can use from 700mA to 1200mA
[6:19] <darkowlzz> yeah, and it's 750mA
[6:19] <SteveThing> each usb device draws up to 500mA i think
[6:20] <SteveThing> if you can, try to plug the usb cable into your PC and power it that way
[6:21] <darkowlzz> SteveThing: I have already tried that
[6:21] <darkowlzz> doesn't work
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[6:22] <SteveThing> that's odd... i have mine plugged into a spare USB port on my router and it's putting out 1123mA with my wifi card and bluetooth dongles connected
[6:23] <SteveThing> is the cable longer than 5 ft?
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[6:23] <darkowlzz> I have my ethernet cable and usb dongle connected
[6:24] <darkowlzz> no
[6:24] <SteveThing> the longer the power cable, the more resistance... as resistance increases, voltage decreases (and the cable gets warm)
[6:24] <darkowlzz> it's a simple android phone charger cable
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[6:26] <SteveThing> i would imagine the issue is lack of amperage since the Pi is running
[6:26] <SteveThing> if it was voltage, it would shut off
[6:27] <ShiftPlusOne> the two are related, lack of current leads to a drop in voltage
[6:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Though I am jumping into the middle of a conversation so you might be talking about something else >.>
[6:29] <darkowlzz> the cable is almost 2.5 feet
[6:29] <darkowlzz> s
[6:30] <SteveThing> do you have another cable or power brick?
[6:31] <SteveThing> does the RPi have a wifi manager installed by default?
[6:32] <darkowlzz> SteveThing: I haven't installed anything related to wifi manager
[6:32] <darkowlzz> I am using Raspbian
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[6:32] <SteveThing> how did you configure your wifi? just modify /etc/network/interfaces?
[6:34] <darkowlzz> SteveThing: I am using ethernet cable
[6:34] <SteveThing> nvm
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[6:38] <darkowlzz> SteveThing Grievar Zhaofeng_Li ShiftPlusOne , Thanks a lot. I will get a >=1k mA and try it.
[6:38] <SteveThing> good luck
[6:38] <darkowlzz> :)
[6:39] <Zhaofeng_Li> good luck ;D
[6:39] <SteveThing> if you've got a DLink wifi router laying around, it puts out 5VDC @ 2500mA usually
[6:39] <SteveThing> would require some soldering, but it would work :)
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[6:47] <darkowlzz> no luck, there is a DLink fast ethernet switch, and I don't see any output coming out of it
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[6:47] <darkowlzz> require opening the cover, perhaps
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[6:52] <SteveThing> probably not 5V then
[6:52] <SteveThing> might be 3.3V
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[6:57] <SteveThing> here's a weird one... if I do ifdown eth0 while wlan0 is up (and associated), I can't ping out of my network... route shows * as the default gateway...
[6:58] <SteveThing> shouldn't it grab that from the dhcp server?
[6:58] <Triffid_Hunter> iproute2 does some weird stuff sometimes
[6:58] <SteveThing> ping 8.8.8.8 "connect: Network is unreachable"
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[7:13] <Zhaofeng_Li> SteveThing, try sudo route del default then sudo route add default gw <yourip> wlan0
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[7:17] <Arthur_N> hi folks, still having trouble getting my Pi to work. dd doesn't copy the whole image; it says "No space left on device" after 1 GB even though it should have more than enough space, and I've tried with 3 different SDHC cards from 3 different manufacturers. ANY help at all is greatly appreciated!
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[7:18] <SteveThing> Zhaofeng_Li: shouldn't that be done automatically when the wlan0 iface comes up? or eth0 goes down?
[7:19] <Zhaofeng_Li> SteveThing, mime doesn't do that~
[7:19] <Triffid_Hunter> Arthur_N: see what cat /proc/partitions says about your card.. are you dding to the disk or a partition?
[7:19] <Arthur_N> to the disk
[7:20] <SteveThing> hmm, that's going to be problematic...
[7:21] <Triffid_Hunter> SteveThing: are both the wireless and the ethernet connected to the same network?
[7:21] <SteveThing> yes
[7:21] <SteveThing> for now
[7:21] <Triffid_Hunter> SteveThing: then you want to bridge them
[7:21] <Arthur_N> Triffid_Hunter: cat /proc/partitions doesn't list any partitions for it, as the card is unmounted, and I dd to /dev/sdb and not not /dev/sdb1
[7:21] <Triffid_Hunter> SteveThing: I have my laptop set up with wired and wireless bridged, is awesome :)
[7:21] <SteveThing> why would i bridge them?
[7:22] <Triffid_Hunter> SteveThing: so that the kernel routing table doesn't get confused. also it means you can unplug the ethernet and it automatically fails over to wireless without breaking any connections, then fails back over to ethernet when the carrier reappears
[7:23] <Triffid_Hunter> Arthur_N: umm doesn't need to be mounted to see partitions.. in fact, you need to be able to see the partitions before you can mount them!
[7:23] <SteveThing> it's as if my wlan0 iface is not adding a default gateway automatically like eth0 does... i know my DHCP server is set to advertise itself as the gw
[7:23] <Triffid_Hunter> Arthur_N: it should tell you how many 1k blocks are available on the disk at least
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[7:24] <Triffid_Hunter> SteveThing: yeah routing tables get a bit strange if you have two gateways in the same netmask on two different interfaces
[7:24] <Arthur_N> Triffid_Hunter: well it doesn't list this one at all... I'll try another one
[7:24] <Triffid_Hunter> SteveThing: hm I may have used the wrong word, I have mine bonded, not bridged
[7:24] <SteveThing> meh, just thought linux was smart enough to add one gw for each iface
[7:24] <Triffid_Hunter> Arthur_N: time to check dmesg,
[7:25] <Triffid_Hunter> SteveThing: it should be, I consider the aberrant behaviour to be a bug of some kind
[7:25] <SteveThing> time to throw a third iface into the mix and see what happens :P
[7:25] <Triffid_Hunter> SteveThing: thing is, having two interfaces with same ip and netmask makes the routing decisions non-deterministic
[7:26] <Triffid_Hunter> sure there's the metric for choosing an interface for new connections but other stuff can get hairy
[7:26] <Triffid_Hunter> bonding sorts it out nicely
[7:26] <SteveThing> rofl, just crashed my pi
[7:26] <Triffid_Hunter> and frankly I love the behaviour where I can just yank my ethernet, wander off someplace, do some things, come back, plug it in and all that happens is that running downloads went slower for a bit
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[7:27] <Triffid_Hunter> SteveThing: they're easy to crash.. udevadm info --attribute-walk --name (any dev node from a usb device) makes mine panic
[7:27] <Triffid_Hunter> gets to the broadcom driver and completely loses its shit
[7:27] <SteveThing> my goal is to set this up as a firewall with a wifi guest hotspot
[7:27] <SteveThing> so, bonding isn't that critical
[7:28] <SteveThing> good to know tho, thank you :P
[7:28] <Triffid_Hunter> SteveThing: ah so you'll run the wifi in master mode.. yeah don't want bonding for that
[7:29] <SteveThing> that's wierd, i wonder why it rebooted when i plugged in the third iface...
[7:29] <Triffid_Hunter> power glitch
[7:29] <Triffid_Hunter> the whole usb power infrastructure on the pi is poor at best
[7:30] <SteveThing> ah, so if i were using a powered hub, it might not be an issue?
[7:30] <Triffid_Hunter> yep
[7:30] <Triffid_Hunter> note that powered hubs can back-power the pi, this freaks some people out and technically should not happen, but can be useful
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[7:30] <SteveThing> i'm probably going to have 4 interfaces on this thing by the time i'm done
[7:30] <SteveThing> wait.. what?!
[7:31] <SteveThing> that sounds dangerous
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[7:31] * SteveThing writes a note to buy more diodes...
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[7:31] <Arthur_N> Triffid_Hunter: hmm, dmesg doesn't show anything for the last few days
[7:31] <Triffid_Hunter> SteveThing: if you're going to diode it, make sure they're shottky types
[7:31] <Triffid_Hunter> Arthur_N: sounds like your computer isn't seeing your SD cards at all.. what have you been DDing onto?
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[7:32] <Arthur_N> no idea... maybe it's just copying to memory or something
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[7:33] <Arthur_N> weird thing is, when I put it in it mounts fine (before I dd the image that doesn't get fully written)
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[7:36] <Arthur_N> afterwards it doesn't automount, for obvious reasons. But it's very curious that it seems to work, but dd doesn't finish
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[7:42] <SteveThing> so if I use a dedicated PSU for my Pi and then plug a powered hub into one of the onboard usb ports, the hug could feed power back through that power?
[7:42] <SteveThing> hub*
[7:43] <Triffid_Hunter> SteveThing: yep, should be fine though since they're both set to the same voltage
[7:43] <Triffid_Hunter> one of them will provide most of the power and the other one will just sit there idling until/unless there's a heavy load
[7:44] <SteveThing> just seems dangerous... if I were to power the pi with that hub instead, i would imagine bad things could happen
[7:45] <Triffid_Hunter> SteveThing: rev1 board had 140mA fuses on the usb ports.. they will nuisance trip if you backpower it
[7:46] <SteveThing> so a set of diodes isn't required from the pi usb port to the hub?
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[7:53] <Grievar> So I've noticed that sometimes raspbian gets stuck booting
[7:54] <Grievar> it only happens when I have things connected to the I2C pins
[7:54] <Grievar> and even then it's kind of random
[7:55] <plugwash> a properly behaved powered hub should not backfeed power but in practice many hubs do :/
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[7:56] <plugwash> I doubt backfeeding will cause any problems in practice though, most power supplies are reasonablly tolerant of such things (typically they only have output drivers to source current not sink it so they won't fight each other)
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[8:01] <Arthur_N> no further suggestions for me? I guess I'm out of luck then (well, never out of bad luck though) :(
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[8:12] <Grievar> how difficult would it be to write an audio driver that sits on top of SPI? I'm making a thingy with an FPGA that will be generating audio and I'd like it to appear as an audio source in linux
[8:12] <Grievar> without having to solder wires to the I2S pins
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[8:14] <plugwash> I'm guessing no easier or harder than writing any other audio driver for linux, the linux kernel has a SPI driver and a concept of a SPI bus and devices already.
[8:14] <plugwash> but I don't know how hard writing linux drivers in general is
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[8:20] <Triffid_Hunter> Grievar: last time I checked, I2S is simply SPI with a specific data protocol
[8:24] <Grievar> Triffid_Hunter: Okay?
[8:24] <Grievar> Triffid_Hunter: still have to write the driver....
[8:25] <Grievar> unless one already exists
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[8:26] <plugwash> the two certainly share some characteristics but I wouldn't really call I2S "SPI with a specific data protocol"
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[8:26] <Grievar> For one, I2S generally requires a continuous stream of data
[8:26] <Grievar> rather than individual words spaced however far apart
[8:26] <Grievar> thus there will have to be a fifo in there at some point to bridge SPI<->I2S
[8:27] <Grievar> also I2S generally requires three lines: data, bit clock and word clock
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[8:28] <Triffid_Hunter> Grievar: you mean MOSI, SCK and CS?
[8:28] <Triffid_Hunter> and yes, I view the timing constraints as part of the protocol
[8:28] <Grievar> Triffid_Hunter: okay I get your point but the fact remains that we need to write a driver
[8:28] <Grievar> nothing you've said changes that
[8:29] <Grievar> unless someone has already written a driver for this
[8:29] <plugwash> Triffid_Hunter, without timing constraints a serial communication system is nothing
[8:29] <plugwash> or well not exactly timing constraints but constraints on how the signals change in relation to each other
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[8:30] <plugwash> in particular i2s transferrs data in both states of the word clock while SPI only transfers data in one state of the chip select
[8:30] <Triffid_Hunter> Grievar: the tricksy part is, last time I checked the SPI drivers are set up for word-based transfers. you need DMA to drive I2S properly due to the timing constraints
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[8:31] <Grievar> Triffid_Hunter: You're describing how to solve a different problem than the one I'm dealing with
[8:31] <Grievar> Triffid_Hunter: the device I'm talking to is something I'm writing on an FPGA, I can invent my own protocol to go on top of SPI
[8:32] <plugwash> and doing so is likely considerablly easier than trying to force a perhipheral designed for SPI to do I2S
[8:32] <Grievar> er, vice-versa
[8:33] <Triffid_Hunter> Grievar: an FPGA eh? well you need an SPI-like output block and DMA, then tell the kernel it's I2S
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[8:34] <Grievar> Triffid_Hunter: ?!
[8:34] <Grievar> "tell the kernel it's I2S"?
[8:34] <Grievar> Why would I2S ever get involved
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[8:36] <Triffid_Hunter> Grievar: because it's audio. I2S and SPI are necessarily treated very differently by the kernel. the primary difference is the timing constraints.. SPI can be handled whenever the kernel feels like it whereas I2S needs specific timing
[8:37] * Grievar scratches his head
[8:37] <Grievar> But my FPGA has a giant buffer built in
[8:37] <Grievar> the kernel can essentially fetch the incoming audio in big blocks infrequently
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[8:42] <plugwash> indeed so you just need to look for some documentation on the SPI subsystem and the audio subsystem in the linux kernel and work out how to write a driver that ties into both
[8:42] <Grievar> Triffid_Hunter: So... my question was really "how hard is it to write a linux audio driver" in general I guess
[8:42] <Grievar> ok
[8:42] <Triffid_Hunter> Grievar: ah, I have no idea, although I suspect it can't be that hard if it's fairly simple
[8:42] <Grievar> Well documentation is often written in a suboptimal manner for quickly ascertaining this kind of information so I was wondering if anyone had already researched this
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[8:43] <topias> My RPi is freezing constantly, I have tried 3 different SD-cards (acc. http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards all should work), 3 different power source, measure voltage over F3 fuse and everything seems to be fine. How I should go forward in troubleshooting?
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[8:45] <Grievar> topias: do you have a screen or serial console connected to it?
[8:47] <Triffid_Hunter> topias: is it rev1 or rev2? rev2 has a big mounting hole between hdmi port and SD card
[8:47] <topias> Grievar: I've tried both. RPi is freezing totally, only the red light will stay on.
[8:48] <Grievar> topias: so it's not kernel panicking? it's just hardlocking?
[8:48] <topias> Triffid_Hunter: It's rev2
[8:48] <Grievar> topias: nothing shows up on the serial console?
[8:50] <topias> Grievar: Everything is going well about 30-90 secs. GUI is starting and SSH connection is enabled but then the whole machine is going down. What logs I should check, I didn't find anything in /var/log/syslog
[8:51] <Grievar> topias: Er, what's the last thing printed on the serial console?
[8:53] <topias> Grievar: Can I check it in any log? GUI is already started
[8:53] <Grievar> topias: Er, you do understand what a /serial/ console is right?
[8:56] <topias> Grievar: No, I don't understand what do you mean by this console.
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[8:57] <Grievar> topias: connecting your computer to the serial port on the raspberry pi
[8:58] <Grievar> which acts as a secondary console
[8:58] <Grievar> topias: Does it still boot okay if you don't load the GUI?
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[9:00] <topias> Yes. GUI is also starting correctly and run 30-90 secs. I do have time to check logs
[9:01] <topias> Grievar: GUI has no effect, it will freeze without X also
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[9:13] <Toordog> is there any modules to send an a sms when plants need water or mineral addition?
[9:14] <topias> Grievar: I think there will be some failures in hardware. If the board will be turned on immediately after freeze it will run shorter time instead of plugging the board on after longer time.
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[9:19] <Grievar> topias: do you have a second Pi to test against with same power source/SD card?
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[9:19] <topias> Unfortunately I do have only device
[9:20] <Grievar> ah
[9:20] <topias> Grievar: What is the quality over all in Rasberry Pi devices? This is the second device I have because in the first one the first capacitor after microUSB was dropped off from the board. Welding quality was poor and there was "a cold weld" in this capacitor
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[9:25] <topias> Grievar: Do you think this could be caused by hardware failure? I've tried several images and the result has been the same with every distro
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[9:27] <topias> Grievar: I just recheck voltage and it's 5,07 between TP1 and TP2. I'm using 1A power source. Any ideas?
[9:34] * plugwash gets the impression that the sony made pis are made very well and the chinese made ones are far more variable
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[9:49] <Grievar> topias: I'm going to guess hardware issue or whatever you are using to write SD cards is not working properly
[9:56] <topias> Grievar: Maybe I'll return the device to the local store where I bought it. I don't believe in SD problem because according the elinux list all three should work properly.
[9:59] <topias> Grievar: I just start RPi without GUI. It worked almost 5 minutes in console. I just wait by doing nothing. Then suddenly it just went down. Should RPi use SD card in console when user is doing nothing? Can I eliminate SD problem?
[10:02] <Xark> topias: In general, yes, Linux will access the disk at seemingly random times. Even if you aren't doing anything, there are various system processes that may access the disk in the background.
[10:02] <Xark> topias: However, doing so should not crash (if the SD card is behaving).
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[10:04] <topias> Xark: Ok, in my case only red led is stayin on, all other life will escape from the device
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[10:05] <Xark> topias: Have you tried other SD cards? Perhaps try reimaging it. In my experience SD cards are not the most reliable (and RPi drivers are a bit picky).
[10:07] <topias> Xark: I've used three different sd cards and rewrote image over 20 times totally. All cards should work fine according to the list of http://elinux.org/RaspberryPi_Boards
[10:08] <topias> Xark: I've used also three different power sources and measure voltages in the bord, also over F3 Fuse. Everything looks fine.
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[10:14] <Xark> topias: Interestng. So just idling for a bit on command line "hangs" the RPi?
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[10:14] <topias> Xark: Yes
[10:15] <Xark> topias: I have weeks of uptime on my RPi (acts as a little sshd "tunnel server").
[10:16] <Xark> topias: Would go longer, but I tend to fiddle with it and update things. :)
[10:16] <topias> Xark: Lucky you :)
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[10:17] <Xark> topias: Sounds like your RPi isn't working right (for some reason).
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[10:17] <topias> Xark: Operating time varies from 30 secs to 5 minutes but after all the result is always the same. It looks there are no effect depending what I'm doing with it. Just idling in command line or doing something more, no difference
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[10:18] <topias> Xark: I would say the RPi is working fine but little too shortly :)
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[10:18] <Xark> topias: They aren't the most reliable machines (I have certainly seen mine crash - especially with USB devices), but I haven't experienced lockups like you describe. I have several RPis (and tend to us a really old one and a newer 512MB one).
[10:20] <plugwash> is the pi in question made in china?
[10:20] <topias> plugwash: Unfortunately yes
[10:21] * plugwash is betting on bad soldering
[10:22] <topias> plugwash: The first RPi I bought on the local store was totally broken. The first capacitor near the microUSB socket was dropped away. Too less heat was used to make that board.
[10:23] <plugwash> mmm :(
[10:25] <notlistening> Has anyone expereinced SD cards not booting, I have three of the same cards and one after another they have stopped booting on my pi any ideas?
[10:25] <notlistening> I have been running openelec
[10:26] <plugwash> not had it happen on a Pi personally but I have had it happen on a beagleboard, the sector containing the superblock went unreadable :(
[10:28] <notlistening> Any way to fix it?
[10:29] <notlistening> and stange its on all three now :/
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[10:33] <notlistening> I have completely formatted and rewritten the card with no joy, it is that the Superblock as marked as unusable and can no longer be accessed?
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[10:41] <plugwash> dunno, the card I had it happen on I didn't use again afterwards
[10:41] <plugwash> nor did I use the same model of card again afterwards
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> the only time I've perosnally experiences SD card issues was when overclocking.
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> I don't overclock anymore - no more SD card problems.
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[11:29] <coffe> Howdy .. where it here we yesterday did talk about ipv6 dhcp ?
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[11:45] <gordonDrogon> there was some chat about it.
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[11:54] <coffe> i where trying to make a folder in /var/log says no space left.. but i can create files
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[11:58] <coffe> solved by a reboot
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> df -h
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> /var/log fills up - normally overnight the log-files get recycled, but if you don't leave the Pi on overnight, then they just grow and grow!
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> personally... I'd turn most logging off on a Pi - especially if it's being rebooted. Just stop rsyslogd from starting.
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> unless I were running it 24/7 on some critical application though.
[12:02] <coffe> 27G avail so it should be able to keep some logs
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> yea, but if you never read them, then why keep them ....
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[12:05] <coffe> gordonDrogon, ofc i do ..
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> I have several Pi's and really can't be bothered reading their logs. not much point I reckon.
[12:06] <coffe> gordonDrogon, where it you that i where talking with about ipv6 and dhcp ?
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[12:06] <gordonDrogon> I was involved, yes.
[12:06] <coffe> http://pastebin.com/S1jTZqTx
[12:06] <coffe> gatherd the setting i could remeber i changed/added..
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> ah, interesting. I'll need to have a look at that when I get more time - thanks!
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[12:08] <coffe> gordonDrogon, NP
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[12:09] <gordonDrogon> the thing I need to do is stop linux autoconf.
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> but I can play with that on my laptop now - don't like rebooting my workstation.
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> so using radvd to send the routing information and dhcp to send the IP address information...
[12:10] <coffe> gordonDrogon, yes..
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> ok. sounds good.
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> now, back to hacking the gpio command!
[12:11] <coffe> done anything funny ?
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> not recently!
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[12:15] <coffe> gordonDrogon, i cant make up my mind on what to order..
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> adding in the new -x flag for gpio - to enable you to use all supported gpio expanders...
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> another Pi ? :)
[12:16] <coffe> have 2,, but where talking about gpio
[12:16] * gordonDrogon nods.
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> I guess it depends on what you want to do...
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[12:19] <coffe> gordonDrogon, funny things :=)
[12:19] <mervaka> coffe: looking for project ideas?
[12:20] <coffe> mervaka, yes
[12:20] <mervaka> ok
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> I'm going to do a 8x8 'life' simulation.
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> I have one of those 8x8 LED arrays...
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> inspired by Amy Mather ..
[12:20] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: make an led cube :)
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, I have considered it!
[12:21] <mervaka> coffe: how savvy are ypu with electronics?
[12:21] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: got a friend making one for his project
[12:21] <mervaka> major uni project*
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, I was looking at a 8x8x8 x3 cube - but that's a lot of RGB LEDs and a lot of wiring!
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[12:22] <coffe> mervaka, i where.. but that where 20 years ago
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[12:22] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: yes it is :)
[12:22] <mervaka> coffe: ok. what interests ypu generally?
[12:23] <coffe> mervaka, tech stuff :)
[12:23] <mervaka> lol
[12:23] <coffe> sorry brb
[12:23] <mervaka> i mean besides tech
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, at 80p per LED it's over ?400 for just the LEDs alone )-:
[12:24] <mervaka> :s
[12:25] <mervaka> i'm tempted to try building a camera slide
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[12:26] <mervaka> but using my new found knowledge of control theory to make it wobble free :)
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> Hm. can get the price down to 51p at farnell...
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> a mere ?261 worth of LEDs...
[12:27] * gordonDrogon sighs.
[12:27] <mervaka> lol
[12:27] <mervaka> go smaller.
[12:27] <mervaka> then make it modular
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> nah. if you're going to do something, then ...
[12:28] <mervaka> ie, make a smaller investment, then get it working
[12:28] <mervaka> THEN go whole hog :)
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> 4x4x4 x3 ...
[12:28] <Triffid_Hunter> gordonDrogon: SMD RGB leds should be way cheaper, and no more difficult to solder into a matrix
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> Triffid_Hunter, sure, not not as pretty..
[12:29] <mervaka> would be interesting to set them onto layers of a transparent pcb..
[12:29] <mervaka> into*
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> I guess I could just do it with single colour LEDs.
[12:30] <Triffid_Hunter> mervaka: interestingly, was reading just a couple of days ago a tutorial on making glass PCBs.. basically glue copper foil to heat treated glass and proceed as normal
[12:30] <mervaka> heh
[12:31] <mervaka> makes sense.
[12:31] <mervaka> although you'd need that photosensitive stuff too
[12:31] <mervaka> if you were doing lithography
[12:32] <Triffid_Hunter> mervaka: toner transfer and/or permanent marker works
[12:32] <mervaka> oh, cool!
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[12:33] <mervaka> might have to try that..
[12:33] * mervaka buys a roll of copper foil
[12:33] <Triffid_Hunter> mervaka: then CuCl2 etchant.. much prefer over others since massively less to dispose of
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mXM-oGggrM
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> then again, I'd just have to write demos for it - and I'm no good at that :)
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[13:22] <gordonDrogon> So. Shall I orginise a south west Raspberry Jam ...
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> just been looking at venues, pricing, etc.
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[13:33] <steve_rox2> havein fun?
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[13:34] <steve_rox> managed to get a poundland usb hub running on the pi surpriseingly
[13:34] <steve_rox> thought it would freak out
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[13:38] <steve_rox> everyone appears gone
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[14:06] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. Got 'life' running on a 8x8 matrix :)
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[14:09] <gordonDrogon> Hm. trying to get a blinker and a glider going at the same time on 8x8 is somewhat impossible...
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[14:44] <gordonDrogon> rain turns to hail. what a weird weather day.
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[15:01] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: don't you live in a place where it either rains or hails 24/7?
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[15:32] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, I live in one of the wettest towns in Devon.
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> currently not raining
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[15:40] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo thunder! Lightening!
[15:40] <ReggieUK> is it very frightening?
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[15:41] <gordonDrogon> Gah. why is it so hard to mebed youtube videos in wordpress )-:
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[15:45] <hays> Can a r-pi be used to hook to a projector and media server to be an interface for playing movies? digital audio output?
[15:46] <ShiftPlusOne> if the projector has hdmi in, I don't see why not.
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[15:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Though I do see some complains on the forum about how their $35 pi is a rip off because it doesn't work with their $10,000 home theatre. >.>
[15:47] <mjr> yeah you need to be able to get the audio via the hdmi. Or settle for mediocre stereo, or get an usb sound stick.
[15:48] <hays> ShiftPlusOne: lol. :)
[15:48] <hays> so the projector would need to be able to split off the audio to a sound system
[15:48] <mjr> usb sticks may be more resource intensive than the hdmi audio though, if one believes what one's heard
[15:48] <Hodapp> ShiftPlusOne: blargh!
[15:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Hodapp, Schlurmgh! Why are we making strange noises again?
[15:49] <hays> my big thing is minimizing cable runs... which is a bit challenging.. home stereo has so many damned cables going everywhere :)
[15:49] <Hodapp> ShiftPlusOne: I'm making noises about the people with $10K home theatres
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> well, I am exagerating for effect, heh.
[15:50] <hays> $10k is a bit pricy.. Back in the day i cared about these things i dropped maybe $3k... back when i was an enlisted man blowing my paycheck every month
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> wow. overhead.
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> UPSs on.
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> bother.
[15:50] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: ...you just lost power?
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> more :)
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, briefly.
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[15:53] <gordonDrogon> it's moving away now - that last crash was about a second away.
[15:53] <Hodapp> hays: I just hardly ever watch TV.
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> hail/rain is easing off..
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> we get lots of rain here, but only 1 or 2 good thunderstorms a year.
[15:53] <hays> Hodapp: yeah, i've kind of evolved into that as well.. i don't have a tv, and watch the occasional show on my laptop
[15:57] <Hodapp> hays: I have a tablet and I'll watch Netflix while I'm doing dishes or cooking or something
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> http://wiringpi.com/about/more-testing-game-of-life/
[15:57] <hays> netflix pissed me off when they went away from dvds without expanding their online selection much at all
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> slowly getting the new site going.
[15:57] <hays> what was that 5 years ago or so?
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[16:04] <DDave> gordonDrogon, I have just opened your link, there is a charset problem, in the source-code your tabs (I presume) are encoded as weird A-letters for me.
[16:04] <DDave> (Running Windows-7, Firefox 20, havent touched the encoding settings)
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[16:06] <chod> weird A's here on chrome
[16:06] <DDave> switching to UTF-8 fixes it though :)
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[16:10] <hays> so someone who works in the IT department somewhere needs to use one of these as a practical joke http://www.solid-run.com/store/products/1-cubox-miniature-computer
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[16:11] <Hodapp> I'd use it.
[16:12] <hays> it is just too bad it doesn't run windows :)
[16:12] <Hodapp> that's a feature
[16:12] <hays> well i mean for practical joke purposes
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> DDave, Hm. thanks. will check!
[16:12] <Hodapp> use RDP
[16:12] <RiXtEr> hays, doens't windows 8 now support arm devices (which I am sure that's what in that thing)
[16:13] <hays> heh yes RDP would be the ticket i think
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> Hm. weird A's for me in Chrome too. seems ok in firefox. bother. it's not done that before.
[16:13] <RiXtEr> it looks like it has hdmi ports.
[16:14] <hays> yeah the thing is targeted for media center uses
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> they're not even TABs
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[16:22] <chod> looks much like a raspberry in abox
[16:24] <hays> yeah its amazing how fast ARM is taking over
[16:25] <chod> years ago we said it would
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[16:35] <sinni800> Hi, i've been trying to compile omxplayer for 2 days now and I keep running into
[16:35] <sinni800> vchiq_lib: Incompatible VCHIQ library - driver version 5 (min 3), library version 2 (min 2)
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[16:35] <chod> what on?
[16:36] <sinni800> oh, right, sorry
[16:36] <ShiftPlusOne> rpi-update
[16:36] <sinni800> fedora
[16:36] <sinni800> rpi-update is current
[16:36] <sinni800> yum update is current
[16:36] <ShiftPlusOne> don't know how well rpi-update works with fedora.
[16:36] <chod> erm 'fedora'
[16:36] <sinni800> i even took the git repository
[16:36] <sinni800> and dumped stuff in it around the system (hah)
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[16:37] <chod> fedora on a raspberry pi?
[16:37] <sinni800> feodra remix?
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[16:37] <sinni800> its supposedly even the foundations "favored" OS
[16:37] <chod> omxplayer works fine on raspbian
[16:38] <sinni800> which is an ultra shame
[16:38] <chod> not tried it on a fedora box
[16:38] <ShiftPlusOne> pretty sure you're not using rpi-update properly
[16:38] <sinni800> ShiftPlusOne: as in?
[16:38] <chod> do you need fedora ?
[16:38] <sinni800> chod: ... no
[16:38] <TomWij> You can even run omxplayer on Gentoo on RPi without much trouble, so any argumentation about a certain distro not being able to run it is moot.
[16:39] <ShiftPlusOne> fedora used to be the favoured os... a very long time ago. Now it's raspbian. Fedora was removed from the download page even.
[16:39] <sinni800> TomWij: finally
[16:39] <sinni800> seems like its like that because some nice debian advocates pushed everything for debian only?
[16:39] <ShiftPlusOne> sinni800, did you run rpi-update and restart without trying to modify any of the files manually or using yum afterwards?
[16:40] <sinni800> ShiftPlusOne: this was the first thing i did before even using yum
[16:40] <sinni800> but it didnt work, so i started playing
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, did you run rpi-update AFTER using yum?
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[16:40] <sinni800> i ran it again afterwards
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> got it
[16:40] <TomWij> sinni800: driver says min 3, library is only 2, so you need to upgrade the VC libraries.
[16:40] <sinni800> even with deleting the version file
[16:40] <chod> TomWij: oxm player wont work on riscos.
[16:40] <sinni800> TomWij: i checked the /opt/vc out from github
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> where does fedora store the vc libs?
[16:40] <sinni800> and replaced it
[16:41] <sinni800> . /opt/vc
[16:41] <ShiftPlusOne> riscos is not a linux distro O_o
[16:42] <chod> i know
[16:42] <sinni800> wait what
[16:42] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
[16:42] <TomWij> sinni800: If the master branch doesn't work, you might want to opt for the next branch.
[16:43] <sinni800> i still think i messed up a step, but i dont know which
[16:43] <sinni800> even tvservice complains now. driver version 6 (min 3) library 2 (min 2)
[16:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Why do the fedora users think there is a conspiracy against it?
[16:43] <chod> there probably is :D
[16:43] <chupacabra> because thats the way debianistas do things
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[16:44] <sinni800> ill download the heck out of the next branch
[16:45] <sinni800> huh
[16:45] <sinni800> the next branch is OLDER than the master branch
[16:45] <TomWij> lol
[16:45] <sinni800> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/next
[16:45] <sinni800> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/branch
[16:45] <sinni800> aw man
[16:45] <TomWij> It is... >_<
[16:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Nope, it just looks like it.
[16:45] <sinni800> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[16:45] <sinni800> huh
[16:46] <sinni800> why are all the files so old then
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[16:46] <sinni800> oh wait, no
[16:46] <chupacabra> because its debian based
[16:46] <sinni800> not ... ALL of them
[16:46] <ShiftPlusOne> they develop on next and throw commits from there onto the main branch so it looks like the main branch is newer, since it was updated last.
[16:46] <sinni800> bwahahaha
[16:46] <sinni800> i see
[16:46] <TomWij> sinni800: Though, maybe the next branch has a higher lib version whereas the master branch just kept on applying patches in LTS style.
[16:47] <sinni800> ill throw it on the pi
[16:47] <sinni800> nothing can break furhter anyway
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[16:51] <ShiftPlusOne> sinni800, sure it can. Last time I tried the next branch, the kernel wouldn't boot at all.
[16:51] <sinni800> bwahaha
[16:51] <sinni800> i just overwrote boot
[16:51] <sinni800> fun times are coming
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[16:52] <sinni800> okay..
[16:52] <sinni800> what is actually the difference between the 3.6.11 and the 3.6.11-cutdown?
[16:53] <ShiftPlusOne> I would imagine that 3.6.11-cutdown is the cutdown version. If I wanted to know more, I'd compare the config files.
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[16:55] <mgottschlag> for the firmware, cutdown is the image for 16MB GPU memory (static split)
[16:56] <mgottschlag> no idea whether that applies to the kernel as well
[16:56] <ShiftPlusOne> ooh, didn't know there was cutdown firmware. nice
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[17:00] <sinni800> i put next in and..
[17:00] <sinni800> it ... runs
[17:00] <sinni800> whew.
[17:00] <ShiftPlusOne> tvservice and all?
[17:00] <sinni800> let me check that
[17:00] <sinni800> it boots, that i know
[17:01] <sinni800> Incompatible VCHIQ library - driver version 5 (min 3), library version 2 (min 2)
[17:01] <sinni800> now it went to this again
[17:01] <sinni800> driver version was 5 before i did what i did
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[17:02] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll just blame fedora for some reason then. Last time I saw someone with that problem, rpi-update fixed it.
[17:02] <sinni800> on fedora?
[17:03] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh raspbian iirc
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[17:03] <sinni800> welp
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[17:03] <chupacabra> does fedora have rpi-update
[17:04] <sinni800> i had to install it i think
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[17:04] <TomWij> sinni800: Are you using statically linked libraries or something? Sounds as if tvservice uses a different lib than /opt/vc.
[17:04] <chupacabra> i never saw it on fedora
[17:04] <TomWij> So, first think to check is if the tools in /opt/vc work.
[17:04] <sinni800> TomWij: now that i know of
[17:04] <sinni800> not
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[17:06] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't remember the commands off the top of my head, but you can check which libs binaries look for and then check where they are loaded from. </noob>
[17:06] <sinni800> what is the meaning of the message anyway? where is the driver version? where is the library version? does min mean that the application wanted that at compile time?
[17:06] <sinni800> oh lord
[17:06] <sinni800> i did an ldd on it
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[17:07] <sinni800> it looks for the libs in /lib
[17:07] <sinni800> not /opt/vc/lib
[17:07] <sinni800> rpi-update updated /lib
[17:07] <sinni800> i mean
[17:07] <sinni800> rpi-update updated /opt/vc/lib
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[17:07] <sinni800> fedora came with them in /lib on install
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[17:08] <sinni800> that i never checked that.. gaaah
[17:08] <ShiftPlusOne> I asked you that earlier, you said fedora used /opt/vc as well O_o
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[17:08] <sinni800> i never really checked, i thought that they are in /opt/vc/lib would mean that they are used from there
[17:09] <sinni800> now the tests actually do something
[17:09] <ShiftPlusOne> so... does copying everything to the right place help?
[17:09] <sinni800> wow yes
[17:09] <sinni800> i feel so incredibly dumb now
[17:09] <ShiftPlusOne> >_<
[17:09] <ShiftPlusOne> glad it works, heh
[17:09] <sinni800> omxplayer started working... even the prebuilt version i stole from a raspian deb build
[17:10] <sinni800> i feel so.. "duh" now
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[17:15] <TomWij> sinni800: Yeah, to use /opt/vc you need some environment files in place that tell to add that to the library loading paths.
[17:15] <sinni800> TomWij: i kind of went along that that is probably the place for them
[17:15] <sinni800> because rpi-update placed them there...
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[17:17] <ShiftPlusOne> It's the place for them in other distros. I agree that it's a silly place for it, but it seems to have been set as the standard for now.
[17:17] <TomWij> Yeah, according to the FHS.
[17:17] <ShiftPlusOne> According to FHS it's silly or it's standard?
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[17:26] <chupacabra> I thought FSH only allows /opt to have userspace programs in there.
[17:27] <chupacabra> not /hardware libraries
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[17:30] <sinni800> Waaaaahhh
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[17:30] <sinni800> another dumb episode in this mess:
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[17:30] <sinni800> omxplayer, the shell script, sets the libpath to /opt/vc/lib
[17:30] <sinni800> but never did anything but show a black screen, so i skipped directly to the bin
[17:31] <sinni800> now that bin works without the lib redirection, omxplayer, the script, still does nothing :P so the script that should fix exactly my error is faulty too
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[17:32] <TomWij> chupacabra: It's not just a hardware library, but all kind of different things thrown together.
[17:32] <sinni800> so actually the developer of the videocore driver is at fault?
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[17:33] <sinni800> fix'd the script..
[17:33] <sinni800> SO
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[17:43] <chupacabra> tomaw, ya, for sure.
[17:44] <chupacabra> course one could add /opt to the list and run ldconfig i believe it is.
[17:45] <chupacabra> used to be something one just did back in the day.
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[17:50] <chupacabra> oops TomWij .
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[18:03] <Torikun> yo
[18:04] <ryanteck> Hi
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[18:16] <maxped> is there a way to edit an image file, specifically the boot.config file before loading it in an sdcard?
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[19:22] <aaa801> Does anyone know if its possible to read sega / snes cartridges from the gpio header?
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[19:28] <aaa801> i think it needs alot of data lines =/
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[19:31] <netw1z> hey, can you damage ur pi in such a way that wifi doesnt work anymore?
[19:31] <netw1z> maybe the usb port is damaged somehow
[19:32] <netw1z> maybe from a overheat or something?
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[19:33] <aaa801> mhm gona need 39 gpio pins :<
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, trivial.
[19:33] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, ?
[19:34] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, i found this http://www.sodnpoo.com/posts.xml/mega_mega_reader.xml it seems simple enouth to do, but the lack of io pins might be a issue
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> mcp23017 or mcp23s17 GPIO expanders. supported natively by wiringPi v2.
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, http://wiringpi.com/about/more-testing-game-of-life/ <-- 32 pins. more are easy.
[19:35] <aaa801> nice
[19:35] <aaa801> how much those things?
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> about ?1 each for the chips.
[19:36] <aaa801> Do i need to make a board?
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> probably, but you can breadboard the easilly: http://wiringpi.com/about/testing-wiringpi-v2/
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[19:36] <aaa801> im planning to shove all this into a sega case
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[19:37] <gordonDrogon> in-fact.. you could use 3 x 72595 shifts for the output address bus and a single mcp23017 for the 16-bit input.
[19:37] <aaa801> mhm, my first time actualy interfacing with io stuff
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> you need a few more pins for strobe, enable, etc. but it's all possible.
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[19:38] <gordonDrogon> the biggest issue is, as always, is the mechanicals.
[19:38] <aaa801> mhm ?
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> well - that chap salvaged a connector out of an old PC for examaple...
[19:39] <aaa801> im getting a broken sega from ebay
[19:39] <aaa801> so the connector wont be a issue
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[19:40] <aaa801> http://www.tototek.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22&products_id=76
[19:40] <aaa801> that might be better
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> probably.
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[19:42] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, it says spi and i2c extenders, what one do i need =/ ?
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> whatever you think you can interface with.
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> I2C is only 2 wired.
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> but it's a bit slower than SPI (but not much)
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> spi needs 4 wires.
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> (plus power & ground)
[19:43] <aaa801> well its for reading carts so i doubt its going to max the bandwidth anyway
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> quite.
[19:43] <aaa801> i wonder how long it takes to dump one of those carts
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> I'd read them into RAM/disk, then emulate them from there...
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> how big are they?
[19:44] <aaa801> not sure, lemme go check
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> my code is not efficient for byte/word writes - it does 8 writes to the device to set the 8 bits - however using the low-level drivers isn't that hard.
[19:46] <aaa801> just shy of 1mb
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[19:47] <Toothpick> hey, I followed the whole guide at: "http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi" but my RPi does not seem to boot. can anyone help please?
[19:47] <aaa801> any lights flashing ?
[19:48] * aaa801 shuns Toothpick for quoting a url
[19:49] <aaa801> so gordonDrogon what would you suggest for my project ?
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> Toothpick, have you booted a Pi before - with e.g. Raspbian?
[19:49] <Toothpick> aaa801: only the red power light
[19:49] <aaa801> no green light attall?
[19:49] <Toothpick> gordonDrogon: yes, with another SD card it works
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, probably a bunch of mcp23017's. 3 of them.
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> Toothpick, ok- good luck with Gentoo then!
[19:49] <Toothpick> lol
[19:49] <Toothpick> but i don't think the firmware even works
[19:50] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, can i hook 3 of these directly to the header or do i have to chain em ?
[19:50] <aaa801> Toothpick, it may be using a start.elf with no 512mb support
[19:50] <aaa801> assuming you have a 512mb pi ?
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, you sort of chain them together 1 after the other using the same 2 wires.
[19:50] <Toothpick> aaa801: what do you mean ?
[19:50] <eggy> loving my newer pi board -- the 512mb ram boost helps a lot.
[19:50] <aaa801> Toothpick, do you have the 512mb pi ?
[19:50] <aaa801> when did you buy it :P
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[19:51] <Toothpick> aaa801: i have the Version B pi
[19:51] <eggy> 256 is.. limited.
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> does it have holes in it - an almost foolproof way to work out if it has 512MB.
[19:51] * aaa801 headdesks
[19:51] <aaa801> aha that works
[19:51] <eggy> or the color of the headphone jack
[19:51] <aaa801> apart from those few they made without the holes *gives eben bad looks*
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> hm. dark. lock chicnens up time. back in a bit.
[19:51] <Toothpick> eggy: yellow
[19:52] <aaa801> does it have 2 holes in it ?
[19:52] <eggy> my r1 board has a black jack, r3 board with 512 has blue
[19:52] <Toothpick> maybe it is because i did not pass "rootfstype=ext4" in cmdline.txt ?
[19:52] <aaa801> can you just answer our questions ?
[19:52] <aaa801> http://www.adafruit.com/images/medium/998_MED.jpg does it look like that
[19:53] <Toothpick> aaa801: if you are talking to me then yes
[19:53] <aaa801> Ok so its a 512mb board
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[19:53] <Toothpick> except the blue part which is black at my pi
[19:53] <aaa801> when you put the sd in a pc, what drive comes up ?
[19:53] <aaa801> does it have the holes ?
[19:53] <aaa801> one near the hdmi and one by the usb ?
[19:53] <Toothpick> aaa801: when i put the sd in the pc i get /dev/sd{1..3}
[19:54] <aaa801> ok what is on partition 1 ?
[19:54] <aaa801> it should be fat formatted
[19:54] <Toothpick> aaa801: fat32 partition, and boot files
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[19:55] <aaa801> ok is there a kernel_emergency in there?
[19:55] <Toothpick> aaa801: partition 1 is "W95 FAT32 (LBA)", and not "W95 FAT32"
[19:55] <Toothpick> aaa801: no
[19:55] <aaa801> is there a start.elf ?
[19:55] <aaa801> infact just give me a filelist
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[19:56] <aaa801> Toothpick,
[19:58] <aaa801> Toothpick, you there ?
[20:01] <Toothpick> one second, lagging
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[20:01] <Toothpick> aaa801: bootcode.bin cmdline.txt fixup.dat kernel.img start.elf
[20:01] <aaa801> mhm sounds like its using the new format
[20:02] <aaa801> =/
[20:02] <aaa801> do you get the rainbow screen?
[20:02] <Toothpick> nope
[20:02] <aaa801> try grabing these and sticking em on the boot partition
[20:02] <aaa801> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[20:02] <aaa801> or copy the boot files from the sd that boots ?
[20:03] <Toothpick> good idea
[20:03] <Toothpick> i'll try it
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[20:06] <dlynes> SolderPI, with the rpi's gpio pins, i'm guessing the pins will go 5v high when their logic is set high? Or is it 3.3v high?
[20:06] <dlynes> oops
[20:07] <dlynes> That meant so say 'so, ...', not 'solderpi, ...'
[20:08] <dlynes> s/so/to
[20:08] <mjr> 3.3v
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[20:09] <dlynes> mjr, ok, thanks. Any idea what the 5v is for then? Or is that for the rx/tx for serial port?
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[20:09] <aaa801> Toothpick, any luck ?
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[20:14] <mjr> serial is 3.3v as well. The 5v is just for powering some (small) thing that needs it off of the gpio header
[20:14] <dlynes> mjr, so how do you tell the rpi to output 5v instead of 3.3v?
[20:14] <mjr> (can also be used for powering the pi instead)
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[20:15] <mjr> you don't. There's only the 5v power pin on the header, all the actual io pins are 3.3v period.
[20:15] <dlynes> mjr, ah, so the only use for the 5v on there is for powering the rpi, then?
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[20:22] <aaa801> no
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> yea, maybe.
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> the 5v on the header can feed 5v to your own peripherals - but you can also use it to feed 5v into the Pi if you know what you're doing.
[20:23] <aaa801> some serial interfaces need 5v for powering up the chip
[20:23] <aaa801> like the one in my openreach modem (evil)
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[20:31] <Toothpick> aaa801: probably a problem with the sd card
[20:31] <Toothpick> Gentoo 7D83-03A5 # cat fixup.dat
[20:31] <Toothpick> cat: fixup.dat: Input/output error
[20:31] <aaa801> ye looks like it
[20:31] <aaa801> =/
[20:32] <angelos> fsck it!
[20:33] <Toothpick> angelos: the whole device or just a partition ?
[20:33] <angelos> fsck is a filesystem tool, so... :P
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[20:34] <Toothpick> angelos: but my /dev/sde1 is fat32
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[20:34] <angelos> then you should prolly use fsck.vfat
[20:35] * mjr 's pi wlan stick is in the mail. Possibly will get more use of it with it more readily on the network.
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[20:37] <Toothpick> angelos: "Seek to 3949985280:Invalid argument", does it make sense?
[20:37] <Toothpick> a simple "fsck.vfat -a /dev/sde1" did it
[20:37] <angelos> more or less, I've seen that on dosfslabel, was something about incompatibility iirc
[20:38] <angelos> prolly a good idea to chkdsk it on windows
[20:38] <Toothpick> :'(
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[20:43] <sinni800> while not being the prime use case for the pi, i just impressed my dad with a 1080p video running in fullspeed form it
[20:43] <sinni800> while that looks flat, i had to play around all day to get it to work like that ;D
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[21:06] <dlynes> gordonDrogon, Ok, so it's primary 5v output (regulated)?
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[21:07] <gordonDrogon> hi
[21:07] <mjr> there's no 5v regulation, it's a direct feed from pi's input (well, direct sans the polyfuse)
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> dlynes, yes, it's off the Pi's 5v supply after the polyfuse.
[21:08] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, when these parts arive you know ima be picking your brain about hooking em up right :D, got any recommended reading on using those chips ?
[21:08] <Toothpick> is there a reset button on the pi ?
[21:08] <aaa801> and wiring pi in general
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, the new wiringPi site :)
[21:08] <aaa801> Toothpick, yes, but its not a button , its two pins
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, e.g. http://wiringpi.com/extensions/i2c-mcp23008-mcp23017/
[21:09] <Toothpick> oh, so the fastest way to reboot is to replug the usb powering?
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> Toothpick, you can short the 3.3v to ground, but that's sort of not recommended.
[21:09] <dlynes> gordonDrogon, ok, so the voltage from the usb is also 5v, I surmise, and so I'm guessing the current from the 5v is not reliable enough to run a charging cable, or anything like that
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> or the 5v.
[21:09] <Toothpick> ah i wouldn't do that
[21:10] <aaa801> gordon whats up with your example code, looks like tabs got replaced with ? ? ?
[21:10] <mjr> dlynes, charging from the gpio header's 5v line? certainly not, unless you're charging something really small/really slowly
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> dlynes, thre is about 300mA 'spare' on the Pi's +5v supply - depending on what else you have plugged into it (and how good your PSU is)
[21:10] <dlynes> Toothpick, on v2, I believe there's pinouts for a reset switch
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> I've used my Pi to charge my DSO quad oscilloscope.
[21:10] <aaa801> there are however, no pins connected to these
[21:10] <dlynes> Toothpick, i.e. p4
[21:11] <aaa801> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#P6_header
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[21:12] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, with linking those chips, is connecting a extra pair of wires from the previous chip into the next ?
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, if it's I2C then yes. you connect one after the other and power them all from the Pi's 3.3v supply.
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> although you can use the 5v supply, but people frown at that for some reason.
[21:13] <aaa801> ok, and in code, will that just continue the pin numbers or will that require some extra code to utilize ?
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, just more pin numbers - each mcp23017 gets a 'base' and it has 16 pins.
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> so you can use whatever base you like above 64.
[21:14] <aaa801> ok =/
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[21:15] <aaa801> will i need to avoid the pin that the continuation of the chips is attached to ?
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> no - that's not a pin.
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> not an addressable one. it's I2C.
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> I2C is the communications bus. The chip then has 16 pins that you can use.
[21:17] <aaa801> Aha ok,
[21:17] <aaa801> also the dump code seems to treat the pins as a serial connection
[21:17] <aaa801> will that be fine ?
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> I don't know. what dump code?
[21:17] <aaa801> http://www.sodnpoo.com/posts.xml/mega_mega_dumper.xml
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[21:18] <gordonDrogon> well that looks like it just dumps it out the ATmegas serial port - presumably to a PC capturing it - you can just write it to file.
[21:19] <aaa801> Aha ok
[21:19] <aaa801> should be fun, considering ive never worked with C
[21:19] <aaa801> :D
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> you will have to adapt that program... but it will mostly work, or serve as the basis of your own.
[21:19] <aaa801> Ok
[21:19] <aaa801> i ordered 3 of those chips and a good size breadboard and a pack of 70 jumpers
[21:20] <aaa801> might need to go grab some more jumper cables from my local maplin
[21:20] <aaa801> got them from hobbytronics
[21:24] <aaa801> DOH
[21:25] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, how do i get the dam gpio pins hooked up from the rpi to the breadboard :3?
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, you need power & ground and the 2 I2C pins.
[21:25] <aaa801> nono i mean
[21:25] <aaa801> physicaly
[21:25] <aaa801> i need a female to male thing right
[21:26] <aaa801> female to male jumper
[21:26] <aaa801> mhm i think i have some of those knocking around here anyway =/
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, this photo: http://wiringpi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/stressTest.jpg <- this chip on the right is mcp23017 - the 2 red wires are the I2C wires to the Pi.
[21:27] <aaa801> aha ok
[21:27] <aaa801> i think the cartridge needs a 5v input too
[21:27] <scummos> that looks rather cably
[21:27] <scummos> what does it do?
[21:27] <aaa801> can i just grab that from the other power pin?
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> scummos, it's a test rig for wiringPi.
[21:28] <scummos> yes the pi has a 5V output
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> scummos, full page: http://wiringpi.com/about/testing-wiringpi-v2/
[21:28] <scummos> gordonDrogon: like, automaded tests? ;)
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> scummos, not particulalry automated...
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> that was a 'stress test' of sorts.
[21:28] <scummos> ah, for SPI/i2c, I see ;)
[21:28] <scummos> yes, alright
[21:28] <scummos> I was thinking about doing microcontroller unit tests with the pi
[21:29] <scummos> like, program it, and then put the uC output to the pi's GPIOs and check the states
[21:29] <scummos> i could imagine it to be rather awesome
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[21:31] <[psy]> n
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> scummos, well - more for the new wiringPi software.
[21:31] <[psy]> so, anyone got vlc with omxil working yet?
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> scummos, that setup drives the 595's via one Pi GPIO pin, one pin from the SPI and one pin from the I2C GPIO chips.
[21:32] <scummos> gordonDrogon: alright, cool
[21:32] <scummos> and does it work? ;=)
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> yes!
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[21:34] <gordonDrogon> it's rather convoluted, but it helped me make sure the new wiringPi was operational and I can create new 'pins' out of any additional hardware.
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[21:37] <nbookham> Hi everyone!
[21:37] <sixseven> Hi Dr Nick!
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[21:37] <nbookham> :D
[21:37] <sixseven> ;-P
[21:37] * sixseven is now known as tonyhughes
[21:38] <nbookham> It took me an hour to remember how to use IRC :S
[21:38] <tonyhughes> hahaha
[21:38] <Toothpick> i have XBian installed on my RPi, but my remote control does not seem to do anything. do i need to buy a remote that supports CEC?
[21:38] <tonyhughes> it takes me an hour to remember how to do ANYTHING each day
[21:38] <nbookham> :D
[21:38] <ParkerR> Toothpick, The remote isnt the thing that supports CEC
[21:38] <ParkerR> The TV has to support it
[21:38] <tonyhughes> Toothpick I use various XBMC remotes on my iPad, and Galaxy Note 2 they are great
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[21:39] <nbookham> It doesn't help that irssi isn't very intuitive
[21:39] <Toothpick> ParkerR: well i was told it does since it switches to the correct HDMI input when i plug my RPi
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[21:39] <Toothpick> tonyhughes: where do i buy the XBMC remote
[21:39] <nbookham> @toothpick Have you enabled CEC on your TV?
[21:39] <Toothpick> ?
[21:39] <ParkerR> Toothpick, Have you checked CEC settings? (The auto switch may just be the TV seeing signal on the HDMI port. DOesnt mean it supports CEC)
[21:39] <Toothpick> nbookham: well i dont think so
[21:40] <tonyhughes> Can anyone tell me a good way to get a larger partition/drive size for Raspbian running under Qemu on Linux ? (ShiftPlusOne)
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[21:40] <Toothpick> i assumed it always supports it
[21:40] <tonyhughes> Toothpick free downloads in app store and play store
[21:40] <tonyhughes> Do you have android or ios?
[21:40] <nbookham> On Sony TV's, the CEC control is called Bravia Sync. On Samsungs, It is called HDMI-CEC under System.
[21:41] <ParkerR> Toothpick, Do you know the exact model of the TV?
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[21:43] <nbookham> Google your TV's model no and HDMI CEC and see what comes up
[21:45] <Toothpick> ParkerR: kdl-40w4500
[21:45] <nbookham> What brand?
[21:46] <Toothpick> Sony
[21:47] <nbookham> I think I have found something...
[21:47] <nbookham> Got it: http://www.sony.com.au/support/faq/333521
[21:48] <nbookham> Let me know if it worked
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[21:52] <nbookham> Anyone?
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[21:52] <Toothpick> not yet :)
[21:52] <Toothpick> it scans and it takes a while\
[21:52] <nbookham> Ok
[21:52] <nbookham> Sony TVs are slooooow
[21:53] <Toothpick> 6. TV will start to scan the newly connected CEC devices. Scanning process may take some time. Please wait for the process
[21:53] <Toothpick> its like 2 minutes and the RPi has booted to the XBian already
[21:53] <Toothpick> why does it take so long?
[21:54] <nbookham> I don't know. If you can't get it working, try using Raspbian. It's more stable than Xbian.
[21:54] <nbookham> Sorry, not Raspbian. Raspbmc.
[21:55] <nbookham> Be back in a second...
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[21:57] <nbookham> I'm Back!
[21:58] <chris_99> in omxplayer is there a way to skip large numbers of frames
[21:58] <nbookham> @chris I don't know, but you could try 'man omxplayer'
[21:58] <Toothpick> nbookham: i guess ill go to Raspbmc
[21:59] <chris_99> alas theres no man page
[21:59] <nbookham> @chris really? I thought there was.
[21:59] <nbookham> oh wait. can't you use omxplayer --help?
[22:00] <chris_99> mm nothing really there
[22:01] <ParkerR> chris_99, arrow keys
[22:01] <nbookham> I'd go to the forum. There will be someone there that would know.
[22:01] <ParkerR> Hold down left or right
[22:01] <chris_99> yeah i'm using those
[22:01] <chris_99> ooh but up/down do it :)
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[22:05] <pellis> hi guys. what is a more robust (shutdowns) filesystem for the rpi suitable also for streaming? ext3 or ext4 ?
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[22:07] <nbookham> Hi ryanteck. I love RasTrack and Pideas!
[22:07] <ryanteck> Thanks nbookham
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[22:08] <ryanteck> pellis I would think both should work fine
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[22:08] <ryanteck> The main difference is maximum file size I think
[22:08] <pellis> ryanteck: i was reading this http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=19766
[22:09] <pellis> and for a reason I'm not aware of the guy is citing ext4 being unsuitable for this
[22:09] <nbookham> @Ryan The foundation need to add a rastrack api into raspi-config, so that people can add their Pi as soon as they get it :)
[22:10] <ryanteck> nbookham well there isn't an API or method coded on Rastrack at all meaning they can't
[22:10] <ryanteck> On the other side I don't know enough bash for me to program it into the raspi-config
[22:11] <nbookham> It would be great you could :D You could just use a plain text api, and Alex and Dom can do the rest :LOL:
[22:12] <nbookham> Gotta go! See ya tomorrow!
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[22:13] <pellis> hm whats rastrack
[22:13] <ryanteck> Have you not heard!
[22:13] <ryanteck> (Wait, that was exaggerating)
[22:14] <ryanteck> Go to http://www.raspberrypi.org/ and look at the "FRIENDS OF PI" part
[22:14] <ryanteck> ;)
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[22:15] <gordonDrogon> ryanteck, ah you made it. well done :)
[22:15] <ryanteck> 0.o?
[22:15] <ShadowJK> pellis, i recommend NO fsck
[22:16] <ShadowJK> ext3 or ext4 is good
[22:16] <ShadowJK> I've also had good success with nilfs2. I've got a logging application that runs on two different storage devices, one with ext3 and the other with nilfs2. After powerloss, the logfile stored to nilfs2 has contained more data usually.
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> just don't crash the Pi :)
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[22:28] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, does this look like it could go between two breadboards ? http://www.tototek.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22&products_id=76
[22:29] <ryanteck> holy crap a megadrive slot
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[22:30] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, I've no idea - it doesn't give enough details.
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> you coule probably solder it to stripboard and put on header pins.
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[22:33] <pellis> ShadowJK: why no fsck?
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[22:34] <ShadowJK> It's built around the assumption of operating on a harddrive with 512-byte (or 4k) sectors. When flash loses power we lose much more than that
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[22:44] <pellis> ShadowJK: ah i'm trying to rig an external USB drive though
[22:44] <ShadowJK> Same for usb flash drives
[22:44] <ShadowJK> if it's an actual harddrive, then ext* is fine
[22:44] <pellis> so, main PS (2.1A) -> USB hub -> (1) RPi, (2+3) USB drive
[22:44] <pellis> yes, actual HDD
[22:45] <pellis> but looks like it won't start spinning
[22:45] <pellis> is it because it expects an OS on the other side?
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[22:45] <ivotkl> Hello guys. I'm trying to make an offline install of vlc media player for Raspbian. Will it work if I downlad package listed her and its dependencies? -> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/vlc
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[22:47] <mjr> if all you have from the hub to the pi is the power cable there's no way for it to communicate with the usb drive
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[22:51] <gordonDrogon> well stack me sideways: gpio -x mcp23017:100:0x20 read 115 <- works!
[22:53] <pellis> mjr: right..dang
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[22:56] <ivotkl> I need a solution and I can think of two possibilities. To install everything blindly (Internet access, no near screen to connect) or to download packages (using windows, currently using above mentioned site) and install them from a pen drive.
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[22:57] <Toothpick> can anyone help? i have xbmc installed on my RPi, but my remote control does not seem to do anything, although my TV supports CEC
[22:58] <mjr> pellis, you could try plugging the data branch of the drive's usb cable in the pi, then plugging the other branch into a usb power source and seeing if it can power both through that (recent Pis can be back-powered through the host usb ports)
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[22:59] <ivotkl> And by the way, should I download armel architecture or i386?
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[23:01] <pellis> mjr: yep, that's what happened.
[23:01] <pellis> looks like a standard Samsung phone charger won't do (1.0A)
[23:02] <pellis> an iPad charger (2.1A) did it
[23:02] <pellis> now I need to find a 2A charger on dealextreme that's realiable and won't explode/melt
[23:03] <mjr> 1 A certainly won't cut it for an actual rotating HDD along with the Pi itself
[23:05] <ivotkl> Hello guys. I'm trying to make an offline install of vlc media player for Raspbian. Will it work if I downlad package listed her and its dependencies? -> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/vlc
[23:05] <ivotkl> I need a solution and I can think of two possibilities. To install everything blindly (Internet access, no near screen to connect) or to download packages (using windows, currently using above mentioned site) and install them from a pen drive.
[23:05] <pellis> thinking about this one http://dx.com/p/10w-usb-ac-power-adapter-charger-w-charging-cable-for-ipad-white-ac-100-240v-eu-plug-124990
[23:05] <ivotkl> And by the way, should I download armel architecture or i386?
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[23:06] <ryanteck> ivotkl you will likely have to compile it from source
[23:06] <ryanteck> but out of them two armel has 100% more chance than i386
[23:06] <ryanteck> as the pi is an ARM chip not a x86 or x64 one
[23:07] <pellis> mjr: what do you think about daily powerup / shutdown of rpi with a rotating HDD ? will I kill the HDD?
[23:07] <mjr> nah
[23:07] <ivotkl> Great. Thank ryanteck. Shall I downlad the armel file and all its dependencies?
[23:08] <ryanteck> not fully sure sorry
[23:08] <mjr> most computers suffer daily powerdown/ups...
[23:08] <mjr> the hds take it just fine
[23:08] <ryanteck> I know mine turns off and on at least once a day...
[23:08] <ryanteck> as long as you shut it down properly its fine
[23:08] <mjr> well, aside from servers
[23:09] <ryanteck> And I use RAID 0 (More chance of failure)
[23:09] <pellis> mjr: another option i have is taking this: http://acryan.com/sg/buy-now/5-playonhd-mini-2.html and picking it apart, replacing the internals with RPi
[23:09] <pellis> I'll need to solder all of the HDMI/power/USB ports possibly onto the pi
[23:10] <pellis> (that was an idiotic purchase pre-RPi era, this streamer is useless)
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[23:12] <ivotkl> Thanks for the help ryanteck and everyone for reading. =)
[23:12] <ivotkl> Have to run
[23:12] <ivotkl> .
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[23:17] <netman87> still no Xorg acceleration?
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[23:19] <dRbiG> netman87: it'll probably never come :)
[23:20] <netman87> shitty project then :(
[23:20] <dRbiG> nope, it's licensing and ip
[23:20] <netman87> i mean it can do a low but its pretty expensive if not all performance can be used
[23:20] <netman87> lots*
[23:20] <dRbiG> yes, the lowendness is tremendous
[23:21] <netman87> i mean its 50eur for RPi
[23:21] <netman87> with tax and shipping
[23:21] <netman87> then if you add power and memory card it will go even more up
[23:21] <mjr> netman87, the ops here are quite trigger-happy on language, fyi
[23:22] <dRbiG> mjr: come on
[23:22] <netman87> im wondering which device i should get and RPi seems less and less good choice
[23:22] <dRbiG> netman87: it depends, as usual
[23:22] <dRbiG> i'd say it's specific
[23:22] * ChanServ sets mode +o gordonDrogon
[23:22] * netman87 was kicked from #raspberrypi by gordonDrogon
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[23:23] <dRbiG> that's a very strict family-friendliness :)
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> yes it is.
[23:23] <netman87> cant you just say it on channel? and not kick? also i didnt use any foul words
[23:23] <mjr> drbig, I hope I was kidding myself...
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[23:23] <dRbiG> well, your channel your rules
[23:24] <dRbiG> my opinion is mine :)
[23:24] <bacteu> a kick should not be used as a warning
[23:24] <dRbiG> netman87: you have any other boards on mind?
[23:24] <mjr> (also family friendliness is a rather dishonest term, as if language threatened families)
[23:25] <dRbiG> mjr: good point,
[23:25] <netman87> dRbiG, pandaboard but its pretty much double and i dont need all that extra power
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[23:25] <netman87> maybe beagle or some arduino "dev-kit"
[23:25] * Firehopper wants a zedboard, anyone wanna buy me one? :>
[23:25] <bacteu> netman87: and the beagle can fit in an altoids tin
[23:25] <mjr> bacteu, agreed, but hey, one has to get one's jollies somehow
[23:26] <netman87> by double i mean it cost me almost 200eur while RPi cost 60-90eur
[23:27] * ChanServ sets mode -o gordonDrogon
[23:27] <netman87> beagle could be pretty neat but im not sure yet :(
[23:27] <dRbiG> netman87: arduino is a different category
[23:27] <netman87> android i did mean android
[23:27] <dRbiG> netman87: i heard good opinions about pandas though
[23:28] <dRbiG> bacteu: kick is a very good way to warn
[23:28] <netman87> yeah they seems to be pretty neat. its just price to get it. almost 200eur is little bit over what i could easily pay for "hobby device"
[23:28] <dRbiG> hmm, yes it's over that
[23:28] <bacteu> dRbiG: no it is not, speaking is a very good way to warn
[23:28] <ReggieUK> tbh we get this everytime we do something, whether we warn in PM, do it directly on channel etc. it's 50/50 as to whether someone wants to be a net warrior or not
[23:29] <netman87> kick is really bad in manners. give kick & ban or warn -> kick -> ban
[23:29] <mjr> would you consider it a warning if you were thrown out of a bar?
[23:29] <dRbiG> it's not a bar
[23:29] <ReggieUK> it doesn't really matter how much you all complain about how we deal with it, we will deal with it how WE want :)
[23:29] <bacteu> typical
[23:29] <chod> its less safe than a bar
[23:30] <dRbiG> ReggieUK: indeed
[23:30] <netman87> and thats the problem ReggieUK
[23:30] <ReggieUK> only for you :)
[23:30] <dRbiG> netman87: i set my upper bound at 80 usd
[23:31] <mjr> reggie, thanks for making the rampant authoritarianism explicit
[23:31] <dRbiG> i'm mostly interested at getting a decent usb bus iv everything is going to be thrown on it
[23:31] <netman87> dRbiG, i can go as high as 150-200eur but i need lots of time to seek for information and tests and so on to decide
[23:31] <ReggieUK> mjr, you're welcome
[23:31] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, im a bit confused here, do i need to call mcp23017Setup for each chip i have or only once
[23:31] <mjr> it'll surely improve the channel's atmosphere
[23:32] <ReggieUK> it's only gone downhill since you decided to whine about breaking our rules
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[23:33] <bacteu> wow
[23:33] <aaa801> if you didnt break the rules you wouldnt get kicked, simplez
[23:33] <mjr> I warn them since you don't actually bother
[23:33] <dRbiG> more relevant question: anyone doing torrent downloading? the technical part is having ethernet and mass storage on the same usb bus
[23:33] <netman87> actually word i used doesnt seem to be foul language in my option.
[23:34] <dRbiG> netman87: quit whining
[23:34] <aaa801> well its not your opinion that matters, :P
[23:34] <dRbiG> netman87: you're back, the definition of 'foul' is as precise as that of 'fair'
[23:34] <netman87> but yeah it should have readed topic and gone with different word.
[23:34] <TomWij> There's no reason to bother, if someone puts himself in a bad daylight and neglects any rules and warnings he has to live up with the consequences; no matter how light or hard they are...
[23:34] <bacteu> dRbiG: it would be slow
[23:35] <mjr> you can always kick me if you prefer kicking people unawares
[23:35] <netman87> isnt it easier to make script to kick people?
[23:35] <bacteu> netman87: reggie is a script
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[23:36] <mjr> less personal satisfaction
[23:36] <aaa801> Jesus stop bit**ing
[23:36] <netman87> isnt that foul language?
[23:36] <dRbiG> bacteu: that's what i heard, the question is is it inherent to the hardware
[23:36] <aaa801> no, censored.
[23:36] <bacteu> netman87: yes
[23:36] <ReggieUK> censored isn't an excuse
[23:36] <piney> don't even know why this is being discussed. not going to change anything
[23:36] <bacteu> aaa801: self-censorship is irrelevent
[23:36] <aaa801> but you love me reggie :3
[23:36] <netman87> everybody can read it anyway and also "jesus" offence believers
[23:37] <bacteu> dRbiG: torrents aren't so good for flash memory either
[23:38] <chod> anyone using wiring pi
[23:38] <dRbiG> bacteu: note: the torrents go to to a mass storage on the usb bus, not to flash
[23:38] <bacteu> dRbiG: last time I checked the usb driver wasn't very good either, high traffic and issues occur
[23:38] <netman87> bacteu, isnt there torrent clients that make tempfile (empty file and write size for it) and then just save every block when they are downloaded. every block is more than 512k so it should not rewrite memory blocks
[23:39] <mjr> if it isn't an excuse, why is he still here? people have been kicked before for starstuff
[23:39] <dRbiG> bacteu: the question remains, is it software fixable or is it inherent to the usb controller
[23:39] <bacteu> dRbiG: I wouldn't know
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[23:39] <mjr> different rules for different people?
[23:40] <bacteu> netman87: possibly
[23:40] <dRbiG> pity, but then it'll probably be not so straight-forward to figure out
[23:40] <netman87> mjr, "we will deal with it how WE want"
[23:41] <eggy> What are you all doing with the pi;)
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[23:41] <bacteu> eggy: http server
[23:41] <mjr> that would be a yes on arbitrary enforcement then
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, once for each chip.
[23:42] <netman87> eggy i did use it to play mp3 and run tiny web server but did sell it as i had nothing to use device that could not use its own hardware with software provided with it
[23:42] <bacteu> netman87: mpd?
[23:42] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, so just call it 3 times in a row?
[23:42] <netman87> i wanted to use it as "mobile device" with my videoprojector
[23:42] <aaa801> or does it need different bases or ?
[23:42] <dRbiG> hmm, please tell me that the built-in sd reader is not on the usb bus :S
[23:42] <mgottschlag> it isn't :)
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[23:43] <dRbiG> at least that :)
[23:43] <bacteu> dRbiG: as far as I know only the usb and ethernet share the usb bus
[23:43] <aaa801> no the sd reader is linked to the gpu
[23:43] <netman87> dRbiG, its on chip itself... its system-on-chip aka SoC
[23:43] <dRbiG> bacilla: correction: ethernet is on the usb bus :)
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, yes, with the 3 different I2C addresses and pinBase commands.
[23:44] <aaa801> so pinbase should be one higher then the last pin on the previous chip ye?
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, 16 more.
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, as each chip has 16 pins.
[23:44] <aaa801> Ok
[23:45] <dRbiG> netman87: i thing i got that figured out ;) you could also find socs with ethernet phy built in too
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[23:45] <netman87> yeah, but in RPi ethernet and usb-hub is on USB lines
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[23:46] <netman87> but idea for what that other guy said before is that "rewriting to flash based memory device is bad so go for HDD"
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[23:47] <ReggieUK> jeez, so you moan when we kick people and you moan when we don't, fickle, much?
[23:47] <netman87> and presonally i would not bother to do so. and i think software arent that bad actually but too lazy to prove that
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[23:48] <dRbiG> mhm, anyways imma of, thanks for updates
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[23:49] <netman87> isnt it pretty usual that if behavior is not good you complain and when rules doesnt ably to everybody you complain
[23:49] <mjr> a user being fickle isn't a problem, ops being fickle is
[23:50] <aaa801> Are you two still going on
[23:50] * aaa801 shoves netman and mjr into the corner
[23:50] <ReggieUK> apparently I should kick you
[23:50] * aaa801 was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[23:50] <bacteu> why?
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[23:51] <mjr> bac, th
[23:51] <mjr> e cursing
[23:51] <aaa801> (?????_??)???/o\
[23:51] <aaa801> <-- ReggieUK
[23:51] <aaa801> stupid endline!
[23:51] <mjr> mobile keyboard is a bother...
[23:52] <netman87> thinkpad x-series have pretty cool keyboard and they are pretty small so you could call them mobile
[23:53] <aaa801> mhm not sure if this is going to work with those encrypted carts with the security chip =/
[23:53] <bacteu> netman87: is that a netbook?
[23:53] <netman87> bacteu, special series from thinkpad. they are full laptops for business.
[23:54] <netman87> i had "thinkpad x61 tablet" and it was pretty amazing
[23:54] <netman87> going to buy x200 tablet or x201 tablet in 2-3 months
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