#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-03-18

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[0:01] <seba--> f8l, still looks good
[0:01] <ragedragon> hello all,
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[0:02] <ragedragon> does someone know a light ide that can be ran under xfce4 please?
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[0:14] <f8l> seba--: Good to hear that. :-)
[0:14] <f8l> ragedragon: IDE for which language?
[0:15] <ragedragon> sorry forgot this information...
[0:15] <ragedragon> c/c++
[0:16] <f8l> ragedragon: I like Geany. Maybe you could try it out.
[0:16] <ragedragon> f8l, ok thx ...do know geany
[0:16] <ragedragon> dont know..
[0:19] <ragedragon> looks exactly what i want
[0:20] <ragedragon> f8l, thx
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[0:20] <ragedragon> f8l, are you using several geany plugins?
[0:21] <f8l> ragedragon: Yes.
[0:21] <ragedragon> seems not to be slow...
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[0:22] <f8l> ragedragon: GeanyLaTeX, GeanyVC, Addons, Spell check and Split window currently.
[0:23] <ragedragon> ok checking...
[0:25] <chod> does ragedragon ~=gordondrogon ?
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[0:26] <f8l> chod: I don't think so???
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[0:27] <ragedragon> chod, no
[0:28] <[Saint]> even a very small degree of internet detective suggests "no, heck no" :)
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[0:36] <ragedragon> strange, my Xserver crashes when i used the debugger plugin on geany...
[0:36] <ragedragon> after stop button command to stop the dbg...
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[0:36] <ragedragon> is it a geany or plugin issue only on my side?
[0:37] * chod nods
[0:38] * chod did not detect, just asked.
[0:38] <seba--> f8l, still working
[0:38] <seba--> it probably was just that
[0:38] <f8l> ragedragon: My X sometimes crashes when I cancel decompression in Xarchiver. Maybe this is similar? Maybe GTK related???
[0:39] <f8l> seba--: Good for you. You don't have to buy an SD card. ;-)
[0:39] <seba--> yes :p
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[0:41] <f8l> The whole family is sleeping. I guess I'll do the same???
[0:42] <ragedragon> f8l, same problem (talking about Xarchiver)
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[0:42] <Coburn> [09:38:50] <f8l> ragedragon: My X sometimes crashes when I cancel decompression in Xarchiver. Maybe this is similar? Maybe GTK related???
[0:42] <Coburn> Memory leak
[0:42] <Coburn> Or something...
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[0:42] <kkit> reading the x logs may help
[0:43] <Coburn> It's likely a memory leak because X shouldn't crash. If it does, it'll be the OOM kernel killer working
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[0:44] <f8l> Coburn, kkit: I'll have to investigate it someday. Thanks for the pointer.
[0:44] <f8l> Hmm??? How about now???
[0:44] <kkit> that and dmesg and the other logs. poking around is half the battle
[0:45] <Coburn> f8l: how much memory is your R-Pi?
[0:45] <Coburn> 256 or 512 ?
[0:45] <f8l> This time only Thunar died???
[0:46] <f8l> Coburn: 512. Why do you ask?
[0:46] <Coburn> Just curious
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[0:46] <f8l> Nothing in the logs. :-(
[0:47] <f8l> No core dump???
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[0:47] <f8l> OK. Enough for yesterday. ;-) Good night.
[0:48] <ragedragon> good night
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[1:04] <troulouliou_dev> hi ; i guess there are a lot of arm experts here ; i m looking for a cheap (max 150$) arm netbook under linux like the WM8650 Netbooks but with a stable linux; can anybody point me to the good place
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[1:11] <kkit> troulouliou_dev, you could piece one together with the pi
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[1:12] <troulouliou_dev> kkit, i have 2 yeah but after review i would prefer something like this but with a sd crad/usb reader / keyboard and screen
[1:12] <troulouliou_dev> is there anything on the market now ?
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[1:19] * Firehopper is building something like that
[1:19] <Firehopper> with a rpi and a 17" screen
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[1:19] <Firehopper> I have a old laptop screen, waiting for the lcd controller to get here
[1:19] <Firehopper> tomorrow :)
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[1:21] <troulouliou_dev> Firehopper, was checking that one : http://hackaday.com/2012/06/20/cheap-arm-netbooks-have-linux-forced-upon-them/
[1:22] <troulouliou_dev> Firehopper, i guess some how removing the WM8650 and replacing with a pi could be the trick
[1:22] <therion23> anybody got a quick solution to when /dev/sndstat says all the devices are "not enabled in config" ?
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[1:25] <Firehopper> nice
[1:25] <Firehopper> but I'll end up with a 17" one of those basicly :) without speakers for now..
[1:26] <Firehopper> I'll put some in eventually
[1:26] <Firehopper> and maybe a battery setup too..
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[1:36] * techkid6 waves
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[1:37] <wombledom> hey
[1:38] <techkid6> Well hi
[1:38] <techkid6> you missed me waving :P
[1:39] <wombledom> anyone know how i can get archlinux to boot off an external hard disk?
[1:40] <techkid6> I dont think you can boot off of a hard disk on the pi :(, i could be wrong
[1:41] <wombledom> it worked on raspbian
[1:41] <wombledom> just bootstrap raspbian to the hard disk and set the cmdline.txt root=/dev/sdx
[1:41] <wombledom> but archlinux doesn't want to do that
[1:42] <ShiftPlusOne> wombledom, it should work. What's the problem?
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[1:42] <pksato> wombledom: what have on original cmdline.txt?
[1:42] <wombledom> the kernel just doesn't boot, it only just starts and displays that [sda] was found and that's it
[1:43] <wombledom> hahahaha I'm so stupid
[1:43] <ShiftPlusOne> did sda instead of sda1?
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[1:43] <wombledom> i have root=/sda/sda
[1:43] <ShiftPlusOne> ah.... XD
[1:43] <wombledom> I have no idea what's wrong with me today :P
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[1:52] <wombledom> I got it, thanks for helping
[1:54] <wombledom> one more thing, is it normal for all wifi dongles to reset the pi when they get plugged in?
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[2:08] <fr0g911> a
[2:09] <wombledom> yay this thing's faster with an external hdd
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[2:23] <[Saint]> wombledom: No, not normal.
[2:23] <[Saint]> Well, at least not normal insofar as "None of mine do so".
[2:23] <[Saint]> Also, yes, a physical spinning disk is going to beat the absolute pants off an SDcard.
[2:24] <wombledom> The hard disk has it's own power supply
[2:24] <wombledom> I have one of those wi-pi things and if I unplug it and plug it back in, the pi resets
[2:24] <[Saint]> That's not necessarily the key here. There are very low power drives that the pi could /possibly/ (but, not happily) power.
[2:26] <wombledom> I don't know if it's just kernel panicking because the pi can power other things at the same time with the wifi dongle
[2:26] * [Saint] found using the adaptive readahead deamon 'preload' to help quite a lot with reading from the sdcard.
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[2:27] <[Saint]> the tl;dr version is: "it tries to learn from your behaviour and keeps often accessed files in RAM"
[2:27] <wombledom> oh cool!
[2:27] <[Saint]> apt-get install preload
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[2:28] <wombledom> mine's not debian but its probably available for me
[2:28] <[Saint]> At the moment I'm using a hybrid drive on the pi that essentially does all the work of preload for me.
[2:29] <[Saint]> with the advantage of it using its own memory to do so.
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[2:31] <wombledom> I don't know if the pi's usb is very fast
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[2:32] <[Saint]> USB is a *LOT* faster than SD.
[2:32] <[Saint]> ...a lot.
[2:32] <ShiftPlusOne> wombledom, yes, it's normal. It discharges some decoupling capacitor and drops the voltage and momentarily drops the voltage, which causes a reset. So make sure your wifi dongle is plugged in first.
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[2:32] <[Saint]> Woo! Ok - apparently I have mutant wifi dongles.
[2:32] <[Saint]> Mine don;t trigger a reset at all.
[2:33] <wombledom> or my pi is defective
[2:33] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, obviously they're not all the same
[2:33] <ShiftPlusOne> wombledom, no, the pi is fine, it's just a design flaw.
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[2:33] <wombledom> ah, so it's not because it's drawing too much current and slowly destroying hardware?
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[2:34] <[Saint]> they draw like 50~100mA, no?
[2:34] <wombledom> don't want to find my pi turned into a black char
[2:34] <ShiftPlusOne> not at all. there's a polyfuse to prevent that sort of thing form happening
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[2:34] <wombledom> so now my pi is great! :D
[2:36] <wombledom> I even got another for experimenting with, this one's going to be a little personal server so I don't have to leave my pc on all the time
[2:36] <[Saint]> I don't have exact numbers, and as far as I'm aware - writing to the drives will be pretty much identical - but reading is where USB clearly wins.
[2:36] <wombledom> got a nice little case for it
[2:36] <[Saint]> ...USB2.0 high-speed is somewhere around 500Mbit/s
[2:37] <wombledom> gpio is probably incapable of being used as sata xD
[2:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know much about USB, but I am under the impression that the usb stack on the pi is not too great yet, so you'll probably not see that much of a speed improvment between a properly overclocked pi using SD or USB HDD. I don't know for sure though.
[2:38] <[Saint]> AHa - SD is somewhere in the realm of 100Mbit/s
[2:38] <[Saint]> ...on the "super backflip booyah ultra" cards.
[2:38] <[Saint]> so, yeah, there's a clear winner here.
[2:39] <wombledom> just use the sdcard for loading the kernel and firmware
[2:39] <wombledom> that means even a 32mb sdcard would be fine
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[2:40] * [Saint] travels back to 1999 to find one
[2:40] <[Saint]> :P
[2:40] <[Saint]> Smallest one I have is 256MB, and I thought that was dinky.
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[2:41] <wombledom> boot a tiny linux off floppy
[2:42] * ShiftPlusOne doesn't recall sd cards being around in 1999. Think people were still mostly using floppies then.
[2:42] <ShiftPlusOne> But I was 10, so what the hell would I know.
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[2:43] <[Saint]> Yeah - perhaps I was a bit off there.
[2:44] <[Saint]> I was...ummmm...19
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[2:44] <[Saint]> something like that.
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[2:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Oddly enough I don't even remember the switch from floppies to usb sticks for portable file storage... it seems to sort of just happened. O_o
[2:46] * [Saint] distinctly remembers USB2.0 becoming a thing and marvelling at the transfer rate
[2:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm, I guess I wasn't paying attention then.
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[2:48] <Twist-> ShiftPlusOne: it didn't happen like that.. we had a few technologies between. zip disks, cd-r, dvd-r. a few sputtering attempts at flash card standards.
[2:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't recall anyone walking around with blank cds just in case they needed to copy something though.
[2:50] <Twist-> I forgot LS-120
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[2:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I still have stacks of CDs of old backups of thing. None of them read now, but hey... at least they're there. >.>
[2:50] <wombledom> some people used the cd's with that UDP or UFMT format or something that lets you add stuff
[2:50] <Twist-> No. You just pulled one off the spindle next to the burner.
[2:50] <Twist-> they were a cent a piece.. who cared
[2:51] * [Saint] nods
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[2:51] <Twist-> I've still got an ABS 100 disk spindle case that could probably stop a bullet
[2:52] <Twist-> from when disks were over a buck a pop
[2:52] <[Saint]> ...the sad thing is, they still are.
[2:52] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[2:52] <Twist-> still are what?
[2:53] <[Saint]> I had to buy a singular CD the other day (...don't ask - ugggh - work), ands it was $2.53
[2:53] <[Saint]> I've still got the receipt.
[2:53] <malcom2073> The thing that bothers me is the price of dual layer dvds, still
[2:54] <Twist-> [Saint]: of course you're going to pay a markup buying singly packaged items at retail
[2:54] <[Saint]> ...it wasn't packed :)
[2:55] <[Saint]> it was around ~$3.20 if I wanted a case too.
[2:55] * [Saint] points out he lives in New Zealand so this is all NZD
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[2:55] <[Saint]> (which isn't /too/ bad against the USD or GBP now, but, still quite weak)
[2:55] <Twist-> Yeah, well. you know you'd get much better per disk pricing buying a 100 pack.
[2:56] <[Saint]> Oh, sure, but then I'd have 99 frisbees, or microwave food.
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[2:56] <[Saint]> those two things are about all optical media is good for these days
[2:56] <[Saint]> ..and possibly stopping bullets, as listed above.
[2:57] <Twist-> arguing that disks are "still a dollar" in ridiculously low quantities like that doesn't really hold up.
[2:57] <[Saint]> It wouldn't hold up if it weren't true. Unfortunately, it is.
[2:57] <Twist-> okay
[2:57] <wombledom> sad you can't store data on blu-rays since theyre entirely analog
[2:59] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[2:59] <[Saint]> ...wait, wha?
[2:59] <ShiftPlusOne> First time I am hearing that.
[2:59] <wombledom> j/k
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[3:00] <ShiftPlusOne> ah... good.
[3:00] * [Saint] will have to remember that trick
[3:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Almost had me questioning my life choices there.
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[3:00] <wombledom> I have some really old burned cds that haven't lost the data, I don't know how long a blu-ray can hold data
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[3:01] <[Saint]> I have some ancient "dual-sided" CDs.
[3:01] <[Saint]> ...did they ever become "a thing"?
[3:01] <wombledom> the really cheap cd's I got that are offbrand lost data after about 6 months but the more known ones haven't lost anything
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[3:02] <[Saint]> By dual-sided, I mean, both sides of the disk are readable/writable, and there's no label.
[3:02] <[Saint]> (really fun if you mix up disk vs case)
[3:02] <wombledom> or stick a label over one side as a secret side
[3:02] <wombledom> and make it easy to peel when needed
[3:03] <[Saint]> I haven't seen them for sale in years, so I guess it was a niche market.
[3:03] <[Saint]> DVD probably killed it.
[3:03] <Twist-> and then bluray killed optical
[3:03] <[Saint]> I don't even have an optical drive anymore I don;t think.
[3:04] <ShiftPlusOne> I know they sell them crammed with pirated movies in some countries.
[3:04] <wombledom> blu-ray isn't optical?
[3:04] <[Saint]> I probably have some in storage somewhere, what I should say is that I've never had any cause to use one, and none of my machines have them affixed.
[3:04] <Twist-> I broke down and bought a bluray player a year ago so I could check out blurays from the library.
[3:04] <Twist-> I don't own a single bluray disk
[3:04] <wombledom> are they terrible?
[3:04] <Twist-> the picture quality is good.
[3:05] <[Saint]> No - but internet speeds are faster, and content more available.
[3:05] <Twist-> everything else about them sucks. the industry's gotten so insane with DRM that they're more trouble than they're worth.
[3:05] <[Saint]> I find it easier to just stream everything, or torrent it as single use.
[3:05] <[Saint]> torrent movie, watch movie, trash movie; repeat.
[3:05] <wombledom> but for backing up your photos permanently, is bluray a good idea?
[3:06] <Twist-> I like hard drives for that.
[3:06] <[Saint]> a removable HDD is likely better.
[3:06] <[Saint]> and cheaper.
[3:06] <ShiftPlusOne> permanently? You'll probably want steel punchcards or something like that.
[3:06] <[Saint]> Hahahaha
[3:06] <wombledom> or an ssd
[3:06] <Twist-> Clay tablets seem to have good longevity as well
[3:06] <ShiftPlusOne> true
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[3:07] <wombledom> argh archlinux has no drivers for rpi's gpu
[3:07] <wombledom> so no x :(
[3:07] <ShiftPlusOne> wombledom, framebuffer is it
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[3:08] <wombledom> xinit says fbdev module doesn't exist
[3:08] <wombledom> oh nevermind
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Then you're doing it wrong somehow.
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[3:08] <wombledom> pacman -Ss fbdev shows an x driver for framebuffering
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[3:09] <wombledom> fahahahaha yessss
[3:09] <[Saint]> ShiftPlusOne: did you poke at spindle much? I read your convo (forgive my Australasism) in the scrollback buffer from a few days back.
[3:09] <[Saint]> I was toying with the same idea myself, as minimal debian installs don;t seem to be a thing.
[3:09] <[Saint]> ...at least not in pi-world.
[3:09] <wombledom> I was bootstrapping raspbian earlier
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[3:09] <wombledom> so it was super minimal
[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> [Saint], I poked it a little, ran into an error, but didn't have time to get into it properly.
[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> And yeah, you can bootstrap is like you would any other debian, just make sure to include the firmware
[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> though there are some extra tweaks you might want to do manually.
[3:10] <wombledom> yeah, it was cool
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> like the memcpy optimizations and all that.
[3:11] <wombledom> i just got that stuff from git
[3:11] <wombledom> copied it over to /opt and stuff
[3:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Though spindle looks really easy to use and the scripts are easy to read and understand, so it shouldn't be too hard to figure out what went wrong.
[3:12] <[Saint]> I have a fat enough pipe here, and more than enough surplus machines to dedicate to the task, so if I have any success (rather, if I have any time), I'll adapt the scripts to be able to churn out a raspbian minimal image daily.
[3:12] <[Saint]> The issue for me and my hacking on such things is purely time.
[3:12] <[Saint]> ...I suspect most of us suffer this ill.
[3:13] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, these things tend to become major time sinks =/
[3:13] * [Saint] is somewhat surprised that raspbian doesn't include preload by default
[3:13] <ShiftPlusOne> .... it doesn't?
[3:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Pretty sure it does
[3:14] <[Saint]> of all the things they do include, they miss out one that can *really* increase performance.
[3:14] <[Saint]> ShiftPlusOne: the raspbian image I grabbed last didn't.
[3:14] <ShiftPlusOne> =/
[3:15] <[Saint]> Ummmm...what was it.
[3:15] <[Saint]> 2013-02-09-wheezy
[3:15] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, that's the latest
[3:15] <[Saint]> Aha, yep, that's "current".
[3:15] <home> I need a rpi :(
[3:15] <home> waaah
[3:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Didn't you already have one? O_o
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[3:16] * [Saint] wants a camera board but isn't cool/fantastical enough to nab a pre-release one.
[3:16] <[Saint]> I want to add it to my Piblet
[3:16] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[3:16] <[Saint]> (a 10" tablet made from a raspi)
[3:17] <wombledom> whoa
[3:17] <wombledom> do you use a battery for it?
[3:17] <[Saint]> Not currently, no.
[3:18] * MarkDude leans in to hear details of a Piblet
[3:18] <wombledom> probably no battery that can run a rpi for a decent amount of time
[3:18] <kkit> [Saint] is not that into 'function' ;)
[3:18] <[Saint]> This is a fact.
[3:19] <Blueness|> depends on what you are doing I guess lol
[3:19] <[Saint]> this is the touchscreen I got for it: http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/~/product/category=3094861&id=14647624
[3:20] <[Saint]> no fuss, just plug it in and it "just works".
[3:20] <[Saint]> the Pi is affixed to the back of it (along with a small powered USB hub) with velcro.
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[3:21] <[Saint]> It has an ambient light sensor - but it is either non-functional, or I can't figure out how to get it working.
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[3:22] <[Saint]> The "big thing" is that the screen's power supply actually powers the Pi via USB as well, so there's no excess cabling.
[3:22] <Blueness|> thats a cool touch screen
[3:22] <Blueness|> 10" is quite nice
[3:22] <Blueness|> does it requiring tinkering with the PIC on it?
[3:23] <[Saint]> "plug and go".
[3:23] <Blueness|> that is pretty amazing
[3:23] <[Saint]> I didn't want to fiddle and fuss about like I have seen other touchscreen raspi projects do.
[3:23] <Blueness|> i hate tinkering with power when adding bigger peripherals
[3:23] <[Saint]> I wanted something that would "just work".
[3:24] <[Saint]> eventually, I found it. It is expensive, but the cost/time was worth it for me.
[3:24] <Blueness|> i'm curious what is the power source
[3:24] <Blueness|> for the screen
[3:24] <Blueness|> curious of its battery capacity
[3:25] <[Saint]> there's a 5V 3A adapter for the screen itself, which then powers the Pi via USB.
[3:25] <Blueness|> oh i see
[3:25] <[Saint]> 3A is plenty.
[3:25] <Blueness|> definitely
[3:25] <neirpyc> can i get a link to this? i joined mid-convo
[3:25] <Blueness|> 700mA is the max for a model B i believe?
[3:25] <[Saint]> http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/~/product/category=3094861&id=14647624
[3:25] <Blueness|> or maybe thats minimum
[3:25] <Blueness|> not sure
[3:25] <neirpyc> [Saint]: thanks
[3:26] <[Saint]> Blueness|: 700mA min, 1A recommended.
[3:26] <[Saint]> (for model B)
[3:26] <Blueness|> ahh right :)
[3:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Blueness|, it's minimum recommended power supply, but the maximum the pi will realisticaly draw.
[3:26] <Blueness|> thanks
[3:26] <[Saint]> FOr the Model A, it is 500mA min iirc.
[3:27] <[Saint]> Oooooohhhh...there's a video up.
[3:27] <[Saint]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llC-gVw1wBs
[3:27] <[Saint]> that wasn't there when I purchased it.
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[3:28] <[Saint]> ....a very, very, very boring video of a dude with a shaky cam playing gem-gem.
[3:28] <[Saint]> ...sigh. :)
[3:28] <JesseObrien> anyone around that's running Arch on their r-pi?
[3:28] <JesseObrien> i can't get the memory to split properly :(
[3:28] <ShiftPlusOne> not right now, but usually, yes.
[3:28] <ShiftPlusOne> That's distro independent
[3:29] <[Saint]> does raspi-config "just work" an Arch et al as well?
[3:29] <JesseObrien> i've tried tweaking the config.txt in /boot but it doesn't have any effect
[3:29] <[Saint]> My assumption is yes.
[3:29] <ShiftPlusOne> [Saint], raspi-config is a raspbian tool
[3:29] <JesseObrien> ^
[3:29] <ShiftPlusOne> JesseObrien, pastebin your config?
[3:30] <JesseObrien> k gimme a sec
[3:30] <JesseObrien> i'm in xfce on it and it's really slow
[3:30] <ShiftPlusOne> and output of '/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd version'
[3:31] <JesseObrien> says version 375458
[3:31] <JesseObrien> March 7, 2013 19:37:36
[3:32] <ShiftPlusOne> that checks out
[3:32] <JesseObrien> grabbing the config
[3:32] <JesseObrien> sec
[3:32] <[Saint]> Those curious on the "Piblet" should look at http://www.chalk-elec.com/?p=1576 to see how the screen/power connects with the pi.
[3:32] <[Saint]> My setup is basically identical, but includes velcro :)
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[3:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, so it's orders of magnitude better then
[3:33] <[Saint]> I'd take some pics but it lives at the hackerspace at the moment, and I'm not there.
[3:33] <[Saint]> ShiftPlusOne: Of course. Velcro stickers make everything better.
[3:33] <[Saint]> Even velcro.
[3:33] <JesseObrien> ShiftPlusOne, http://pastebin.com/hjdGfaUw
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[3:34] <JesseObrien> i have a 512 model btw
[3:34] <JesseObrien> htop only shows 209 mb used
[3:34] <JesseObrien> er, available
[3:34] <JesseObrien> sorry, 208*
[3:34] <ShiftPlusOne> how much does it show total?
[3:35] <ShiftPlusOne> use 'free -m'. What does it say under total?
[3:36] <JesseObrien> http://screencloud.net/img/screenshots/f0f2d7a3d5b274f47a45d8624efa7643.png
[3:36] <JesseObrien> total 208
[3:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Looks like it works to me =/
[3:37] <ShiftPlusOne> 256 taken up by gpu, 48 by magic and then rest is available
[3:37] <JesseObrien> if i change it to 512=128, nothing changes
[3:38] <ShiftPlusOne> have you restarted after making the change?
[3:38] <JesseObrien> yeah
[3:38] <JesseObrien> trying it again atm
[3:38] <[Saint]> 256MB for the GPU? Wha....?
[3:38] <[Saint]> What requires this?
[3:38] <JesseObrien> yeah
[3:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Crazy people =)
[3:39] <JesseObrien> rebooted, same thing
[3:39] <JesseObrien> http://screencloud.net/v/ymcn
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[3:39] <JesseObrien> [Saint], nothing, i was just trying to see if it would have any effect, which it doesn't seem to :(
[3:39] <ShiftPlusOne> And you clearly have gpu_mem_512=128 in there? =/
[3:39] <JesseObrien> yeah
[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne> no idea then.... another one of those thing that's fr0g911's fault, I guess.
[3:40] <JesseObrien> http://screencloud.net/v/5bnj
[3:40] <JesseObrien> heh
[3:40] <JesseObrien> i've looked at al things debian about this and there's all the start_xxx.elf files but i don't think arch is meant to work like that
[3:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Grasping at straws, but try removing all gpu_mem_* lines and using plain gpu_mem=128
[3:41] <JesseObrien> and/or that may be deprecated
[3:41] <JesseObrien> ShiftPlusOne, good idea
[3:41] <ShiftPlusOne> no the start_xxx.elf thing was a long time ago, they don't do that anymore
[3:41] <JesseObrien> yeah i thought i read that
[3:41] <JesseObrien> it's all dynamic now
[3:42] <ShiftPlusOne> wait... you're using dynamic memory
[3:42] <[Saint]> IS there some way to automagically select between HDMI/VGA depending on what is plugged in first? For example, if booted with VGA, then plug HDMI, HDMI is used - if HDMI is removed, go back to VGA, and vice versa.
[3:42] <ShiftPlusOne> get rid of the cma lines
[3:42] <ShiftPlusOne> that's the problem
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[3:42] <JesseObrien> ah
[3:42] <[Saint]> I get the feeling this is one of those "should just work" things, but, for me at least - it doesn't.
[3:43] <JesseObrien> the CMA stuff will override the gpu_mem then?
[3:44] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't read much about it, but pretty sure that it will. Did you modify cmdline to have the coherent pool line as well?
[3:44] <ShiftPlusOne> "coherent_pool=2M cma=2M smsc95xx.turbo_mode="
[3:44] <ShiftPlusOne> not line, but parameters
[3:44] <ShiftPlusOne> *"coherent_pool=2M cma=2M smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N"
[3:44] <JesseObrien> no i haven't touched that
[3:45] <ShiftPlusOne> and it says to use bleeding edge firmware if you want to use it
[3:45] * [Saint] is slightly puzzled by "gpu_mem_256=256"
[3:45] <JesseObrien> [Saint], it should ignore that line since i have a 512 model lol
[3:45] <JesseObrien> i think i got a bit happy editing and just changed the values to match to see if anything would happen
[3:45] <ShiftPlusOne> so... I don't even know anymore... but it doesn't make sense to include lines you haven't set up for your firmware to support
[3:46] <ShiftPlusOne> So replace that whole last block you have with gpu_mem=128
[3:47] <JesseObrien> k trying that
[3:47] <JesseObrien> it didn't work by just getting rid of CMA stuff and having gpu_mem_512=
[3:47] <JesseObrien> the auto-detect might not be workign or something
[3:47] <ShiftPlusOne> =/
[3:47] * dano5_away is now known as dano5
[3:48] <ShiftPlusOne> anything else you may have modified which could possibly affect things? cmdline.txt?
[3:50] <JesseObrien> no i didn't touch cmdline.txt
[3:51] <ShiftPlusOne> fr0g911, what did you do?
[3:52] <JesseObrien> yeah i've made sure i'm completely up to date on everything
[3:52] <JesseObrien> pacman -Syu shows nothing to update
[3:54] <JesseObrien> haha hm
[3:54] <JesseObrien> so setting just the gpu_mem=128 actually bumped the useable system RAM down to 118mb
[3:55] <JesseObrien> no clue why
[3:56] <[Saint]> Hum - I hate the forum wrt: docs
[3:56] <[Saint]> What's the foolproof way to get dynamic memory allocation working in raspbian?
[3:57] <[Saint]> I've seen no less than three direct contradictions in the forums so far.
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[3:57] <ShiftPlusOne> [Saint], just pay attention to Dom
[3:58] <seba--> f8l, still working!
[3:58] <ukscone> [Saint]: you uptodate raspbian and it just works and of course only listen to dom
[3:58] <ukscone> s/you/use
[3:58] <[Saint]> ukscone: Oh - I see, so it "Just Works"?
[3:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, you have to tweak cmdline and the config and have a specific firmware version or newer
[3:59] <ShiftPlusOne> which is newer than what's in the master branch
[3:59] <ukscone> well i have nothing in my config.txt and i have variable
[4:00] <ukscone> memory
[4:00] <[Saint]> is there a specific thread I should be looking at?
[4:00] <ShiftPlusOne> are you talking about variable memory during runtime or are you simply referring to the memory split? Want to make sure we're talking about the same thing.
[4:00] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=19334&p=218282&hilit=cma#p217665
[4:00] <[Saint]> dynamic allocation during runtime.
[4:01] <[Saint]> (is what I'm talking about)
[4:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I meant ukscone
[4:01] <ukscone> i have dynamic during runtime and nowt in config.txt
[4:02] <ukscone> it's not supposed to be like that but it is like that due to defaults in the fw
[4:02] <ShiftPlusOne> no cma_* lines at all? That seems like a bug rather than a feature.
[4:02] <ukscone> e.g. dynamic is the default or at least seems to be if you don't do anything
[4:03] <ukscone> only thing in my cofig.txt is
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[4:03] <Kubius> hello there
[4:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Hi
[4:04] <ukscone> # Overscan settings. Written by set_overscan.sh
[4:04] <Kubius> I'm getting a "cannot execute binary program" error or somesuch when I attempt to run a certain file
[4:04] <ukscone> disable_overscan
[4:04] <ukscone> overscan_top=4
[4:04] <ukscone> overscan_bottom=
[4:04] <ukscone> overscan_left=
[4:04] <ukscone> overscan_right=
[4:04] <ukscone> repeated 50 times
[4:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Kubius, are you doing something silly like trying to run a windows .exe file or an x86 linux binary?
[4:04] <Kubius> a batch file
[4:05] <Kubius> not a .exe
[4:05] <Kubius> specifically
[4:05] <ShiftPlusOne> got it +x'ed ?
[4:05] <Kubius> yes
[4:05] <Kubius> I did do that
[4:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Not sure why it would treat it as a binary program if it's a script. Got a hashbang in there?
[4:06] <Kubius> hashbang? sorry I'm not a particularly experienced linux user
[4:06] <ShiftPlusOne> is it a bash script?
[4:06] <Kubius> I'm not completely sure but I doubt it
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> can you pastebin the content of it?
[4:07] <Kubius> at this point I'm heavily suspecting it is an x86 binary
[4:07] * [Saint] blinks
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> oh
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> ...well..
[4:07] <[Saint]> 1350MHz and it hasn't fallen over yet
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the output of 'file fileyou'retryingtoexecute' ?
[4:07] <Kubius> I'm not actually on the machine in question at the moment
[4:07] <Kubius> I'm on my full-size windows desktop
[4:08] <Kubius> heading down now, will rejoin IRC when on the pi
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[4:08] <JesseObrien> da piii
[4:08] * [Saint] is approaching the 2X OC mark
[4:08] <[Saint]> no idea why, just curious
[4:09] <[Saint]> active cooling is an absolute must, otherwise turbo is disabled a few seconds after boot :)
[4:09] <ShiftPlusOne> are you actually making sure the cpu is actually running at that clock rate? Frequency scaling should be on by default.
[4:09] <seba--> f8l, ah no :( I/O error
[4:10] <[Saint]> ShiftPlusOne: I am, yes.
[4:10] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[4:11] <[Saint]> It seems to be down to manufacturing - as to how high you can OC.
[4:11] <[Saint]> Another board I have, same revision, purchased at the same time, tops out at 1100MHZ
[4:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Indubitably, every pi will overclock differently.
[4:11] <[Saint]> There's a rather wide band of variation, though.
[4:12] <[Saint]> I see some users struggle to get to 900MHz.
[4:12] <[Saint]> That is possibly due to power supply issues too though I guess.
[4:12] <ShiftPlusOne> think that's the case with pretty much all cpus.... they just guarantee to be stable at the rated frequency.
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[4:12] <Kubius> hello!
[4:12] <Kubius> I'm back.
[4:12] <Kubius> and now I'm on the pi
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[4:14] <ShiftPlusOne> so... whatcha doing?
[4:14] <Kubius> so what info did you neede
[4:14] <Kubius> *need
[4:14] <ShiftPlusOne> <ShiftPlusOne> what's the output of 'file fileyou'retryingtoexecute' ?
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[4:15] <Kubius> dreamdaemon: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, intel 80386, version 1 (sysv), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.1S, stripped
[4:15] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, there's your problem
[4:16] <ShiftPlusOne> that's not an arm binary, that's i386
[4:16] <Kubius> and of course since BYOND is a half dead platform it's unlikely an ARM binary will even come out
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[4:17] <Kubius> my other option is to code together an alternative, which is unlikely since I've not written a single line of python code ever.
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[4:17] <Kubius> the only code I've done is some lua
[4:17] <Kubius> and only a few snippets at that
[4:18] <geordie> i'm having trouble with the meta key over shh - any time i use it the input line becomes corrupted
[4:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Their download page says "Contact us if you need updated builds for other unix versions." You could give that a go.
[4:19] <Kubius> I'll have to do that
[4:19] <Kubius> not too much effort if it doesn't work
[4:19] <Kubius> and if it does I'll open up a gate, if a small one, for raspi users
[4:20] <Kubius> thanks for the help, I'll be off now
[4:20] <ShiftPlusOne> take care
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[4:23] <seba--> hm
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[4:24] <seba--> does R.Pi work on 4.72 V?
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[4:24] <seba--> it should work right
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[4:25] <ShiftPlusOne> It may, but you may have trouble with ethernet, usb and general stability.
[4:28] <flufmnstr> could i just take the sd card form one rev 2 pi(2011) and pop it in another rev 2 pi(2011.12) and boot? or is there something more to it?
[4:31] <ShiftPlusOne> you can, but your mac address will stay the same I think. There's a file you'll need to delete to make sure a proper mac address is reported
[4:31] <seba--> m
[4:31] <seba--> hm
[4:32] <seba--> i don't understand
[4:32] <seba--> i get corruption
[4:32] <seba--> on the SD card
[4:32] <seba--> it worked ok for few weeks
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[4:34] <PhotoJim> seba--: Cheap card? Used card? Or perhaps just unlucky.
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[4:36] <seba--> i think it's a r.pi issue
[4:36] <seba--> judging from forum posts
[4:39] <[Saint]> No, it is most definitely a user issue.
[4:39] <ShiftPlusOne> [Saint], wouldn't be so sure
[4:40] <[Saint]> The sd spec is so well known - no one needs to reinvent the wheel here.
[4:40] <seba--> [Saint], what do you mean by that?
[4:40] <[Saint]> I would say the major issue is unsafe power down causing fs corruption.
[4:40] <seba--> i didn't do that
[4:41] <PhotoJim> power failures?
[4:41] <seba--> no
[4:41] <PhotoJim> Try a different card.
[4:42] <seba--> well, last two tries, i've freshly written an image
[4:42] <seba--> booted, np
[4:42] <seba--> extended to whole sd, np
[4:42] <seba--> apt-get update/upgrade, np
[4:42] <seba--> apt-get install cifs-utils nginx
[4:43] <seba--> added to fstab samba mount, configured nginx
[4:43] <seba--> all np
[4:43] <seba--> oh, i restarted after each step, to make sure, with shutdown -r now
[4:43] <PhotoJim> Well, try a different card. Ideally a different brand.
[4:43] <seba--> and then apt-get install nmap whois
[4:43] <seba--> failed
[4:43] <PhotoJim> I just have some cheap Class 10 4 GB cards in my two Pis. No issues.
[4:43] <seba--> it doesn't restart anymore
[4:44] <seba--> but isn't the behaviour weird?
[4:44] <PhotoJim> It is.
[4:44] <PhotoJim> what does dmesg show, or /var/log/syslog... there might be some information there pointing to the difficulty.
[4:44] <flufmnstr> uhoh, i popped the sd card from a working pi into a new pi and the red light comes on, the green one comes on for a second then turns off.
[4:44] <PhotoJim> but like I said, it coul djust be a bad card. Even new cards can be unreliable.
[4:45] <seba--> hm from dmesg i get inode blablabla
[4:45] <PhotoJim> that sounds like a bad card.
[4:45] <seba--> magic error i don't know
[4:45] <PhotoJim> Class 4 4 GB cards are about $4. Class 10 are about a dollar more. It's a cheap experiment.
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[4:46] <seba--> i'll try downloading a large file this time
[4:46] <seba--> and checking what happens
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[4:47] <PhotoJim> If I'm right, more of the same will happen.
[4:47] <seba--> yes
[4:47] <seba--> that's the point
[4:47] <PhotoJim> You can try "touch /forcefsck" and reboot. That will force a full filesystem check at boot.
[4:47] <PhotoJim> Well, more likely you hvae a bad card than a bad Pi.
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[4:48] <seba--> SD cards sux
[4:48] <seba--> lol
[4:48] <PhotoJim> Some of them :)
[4:48] <seba--> but i think it's from the approved list
[4:48] <PhotoJim> Still could be defective.
[4:48] <PhotoJim> Try.
[4:49] <seba--> how long can you have a SD card until it fails on average?
[4:50] <PhotoJim> Depends on how much you write to it.
[4:50] <PhotoJim> and if it has wear levelling.
[4:50] <PhotoJim> Most modern cards d ohave levelling.
[4:50] <seba--> yes of course
[4:50] <seba--> but like a rough estimate
[4:50] <PhotoJim> That's like asking how long a tank of gas will last in days. Depends. :)
[4:50] <kkit> long enough to not worry about it
[4:50] <PhotoJim> My Pis are many months old . No issues.
[4:51] <PhotoJim> My Alix router runs on a CF card. 2 years. No issues.
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[4:51] <seba--> yes but is it like 10 days or 10 years of normal use?
[4:51] <PhotoJim> but I have "noatime" set in my /etc/fstab to minimize writing.
[4:51] <[Saint]> I'm pretty sure the failure rate is down to defective hardware - insertion causing wear, etc.
[4:51] <[Saint]> Even if you read/write continuously, it would still last most of your lifetime.
[4:51] <seba--> i don't insert it much
[4:51] <PhotoJim> seba--: Somewhere in between. Months to years.
[4:51] <kkit> if you're really worried, turn down or off unneeded logging
[4:51] <seba--> i'm not worried
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[4:52] <[Saint]> PhotoJim: multiple centuries, really.
[4:52] <seba--> i'm just interested if SD card could really fail
[4:52] <[Saint]> It should, in theory, last longer than you do :)
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[4:53] <[Saint]> the main issue would be mechanical failure I believe.
[4:53] <ShiftPlusOne> the pi is prone to corrupting sd cards. I haven't had it happen, but I see it a lot. When the pi first came out, many cards didn't work at all.
[4:53] <[Saint]> stresses bending the card and breaking traces, multiple insertions wearing the contacts over time, etc.
[4:53] <seba--> ShiftPlusOne, well yes that's what i've read
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[4:53] <seba--> but i don't know what to do
[4:53] <PhotoJim> Yes, although a pi-corrupted card shouldn't be a damaged card. Damaged data, but functioning card.
[4:53] <seba--> yes
[4:53] <home> seba--: well lean what to do
[4:53] <home> learn*
[4:54] <PhotoJim> I've had my /boot partition on one Pi get corrupted a couple of times... but I fixed it on another machine and all was well. And the last time was a long time ago.
[4:54] <seba--> home, you mean more like discover, not learn
[4:54] <seba--> lol
[4:54] <seba--> yes but why in the world corruption even happen
[4:54] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd recommend moving the root partition over to usb, since I haven't heard of much going wrong there.
[4:54] <ShiftPlusOne> (in terms of data corruption)
[4:54] <seba--> i see
[4:55] <seba--> but that kind of sux
[4:55] <seba--> lol
[4:55] <ShiftPlusOne> not as much as data corruption
[4:55] <[Saint]> The main thing to remember is that this is still removable storage - and anything on it should be treated as disposable.
[4:55] <seba--> yes that's true
[4:55] <[Saint]> Backups, backups, backups.
[4:55] <[Saint]> ...and more backups.
[4:55] <seba--> meh
[4:56] <[Saint]> :)
[4:56] <seba--> i want something reliable
[4:56] <seba--> lol
[4:56] <[Saint]> Don't we all.
[4:56] <geordie> anything anywhere on any kind of storage device should be treated as disposable
[4:56] <[Saint]> Gimme a call when it exists ;)
[4:56] <seba--> i don't mean 100% reliability
[4:56] <seba--> that's impossible
[4:56] <PhotoJim> Yes, the data density on stone tablets is not good . :)
[4:57] <seba--> it's just that this is not normal, such a data corruption
[4:57] <[Saint]> PhotoJim: Better than ZipDisc :)
[4:57] <seba--> *-a
[4:57] <seba--> there's probably a bug somewhere, but yes it could be that i just have a defective card
[4:57] <PhotoJim> Heh.
[4:57] <geordie> seba--: i had similar problems when i overclocke at all
[4:57] <seba--> mine is not overclocked
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[4:57] <geordie> frequent corruption of the filesystem that is
[4:58] <seba--> why on the wiki measuring voltage drop on the polyfuse is so weirdly described
[4:58] <geordie> also unscheduled poweroffs cause corruption, in my experience
[4:59] <seba--> wouldn't be easier to just measure the voltage drop by measuring well the voltage drop directly, not via TP1/2
[4:59] <seba--> geordie, i didn't do that, but that's also pathetic for a journaling system to happen
[4:59] <geordie> yeah.
[4:59] <ShiftPlusOne> seba--, link to the wiki page you're referring to?
[4:59] <[Saint]> seba--: you could try to decrease the duration at which fsck is run
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[5:00] <[Saint]> by default, it is 30 boots or 1280 mounts, iirc.
[5:00] <[Saint]> *180
[5:00] <[Saint]> With your issue, it sounds like more frequent checking would be wise.
[5:01] <geordie> i don't keep much user data on the sd as i have had too many (more than zero) reinstall-requiring filesystem corruption events
[5:01] <seba--> geordie, you see, that points to an issue!
[5:02] <seba--> ShiftPlusOne, ok, 1 moment, maybe i read it wrong, i read it very quickly lol
[5:02] <geordie> seba--: i agree
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[5:03] <[Saint]> I think the "issue" is usage. Debian has never trashed an sdcard on me for no good reason, so, nor should the raspi.
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[5:03] <[Saint]> they are *extremely* vulnerable to static discharge - that may cause "fun things" to happen.
[5:04] <[Saint]> they == raspberry pi
[5:04] <seba--> [Saint] i haven't touched it
[5:04] <seba--> nobody did
[5:04] <[Saint]> you've never touched it, ever?
[5:04] * [Saint] finds this slightly hard to believe.
[5:05] <[Saint]> s/slightly/incredibly/
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[5:05] <seba--> ShiftPlusOne, http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Troubleshooting_power_problems
[5:06] <seba--> ShiftPlusOne at How to test the F3 polyfuse
[5:06] <seba--> you could directly put probes on the polyfuse
[5:06] <seba--> easier
[5:06] <seba--> oh that's not official of r-pi i guess
[5:06] <seba--> lol
[5:06] <seba--> didn't even notice the domain
[5:06] <seba--> lol
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[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> seba--, looks fine to me. It's a way to check how much voltage is getting to the pi from your power supply and how much of that is used by the polyfuse
[5:07] <seba--> ok fsck is clean, i only did resize
[5:07] <seba--> ShiftPlusOne, yes it's ok, but that's quicker
[5:07] <seba--> now i'll try to download a big file
[5:07] <seba--> and then fsck again
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[5:12] <wroberts1> ESD destroys SD card, or the broadcom cpu
[5:12] <wroberts1> ?
[5:12] <seba--> ESD is only a problem (usually) if you have low humidity
[5:12] <seba--> like <30%
[5:13] <seba--> then it gets weird lol
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[5:13] <wroberts1> thats right, but the hdmi does have real protection
[5:14] <seba--> PhotoJim, it's still clean
[5:14] <seba--> after downloading file
[5:14] <tbwen> So anyone else in here tried out the Atrix Lapdock with rpi? I've only gotten the display to work, no keyboard or trackpad
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[5:14] <seba--> i'll sha it now
[5:16] <seba--> it shows no corruption
[5:16] <seba--> ShiftPlusOne, this is weird
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[5:17] <seba--> oh
[5:17] <seba--> i didn't do force check
[5:17] <seba--> lol
[5:17] <seba--> oops
[5:19] <wroberts1> tbwen: what you see in dmsg when you plug in keyboard?
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[5:19] <ShiftPlusOne> tbwen, lapdock works fine there.
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[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> How do you have it hooked up exactly?
[5:20] <tbwen> wroberts1: i'm talking about the atrix built in keyboard, I can plug in a USB keyboard and it works
[5:20] <wroberts1> err, i mean: watch "dmesg |tail"
[5:21] <ShiftPlusOne> the atrix built in keyboard IS a usb keyboard
[5:21] <seba--> ShiftPlusOne, which part? it might be that the voltage is too low, but it's weird as i didn't have any issues for few months now
[5:21] <tbwen> wroberts1: let me check, i've got it connected via SSH instead
[5:21] <seba--> oh
[5:21] <ShiftPlusOne> seba--, was talking to tbwen there
[5:21] <seba--> it wasn't for me
[5:21] <seba--> lol
[5:21] <seba--> sorry!
[5:22] <tbwen> wroberts1: i've got: [ 10.461167] bcm2835 ALSA card created!
[5:22] <tbwen> [ 10.482368] bcm2835 ALSA chip created!
[5:22] <tbwen> [ 10.499120] bcm2835 ALSA chip created!
[5:22] <tbwen> [ 10.512667] bcm2835 ALSA chip created!
[5:22] <tbwen> [ 10.525516] bcm2835 ALSA chip created!
[5:22] <tbwen> [ 10.537421] bcm2835 ALSA chip created!
[5:22] <tbwen> [ 10.549452] bcm2835 ALSA chip created!
[5:22] <tbwen> [ 10.560924] bcm2835 ALSA chip created!
[5:22] <tbwen> [ 19.544107] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0xC5E1
[5:22] <tbwen> [ 23.226404] Adding 102396k swap on /var/swap. Priority:-1 extents:129 across:1754856k SS
[5:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ....
[5:23] <tbwen> ShiftPlusOne: I've got it hooked up via OTG (i think)
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[5:23] <ShiftPlusOne> tbwen, I mean exactly what wires do you have going where? Can you take a photo or something?
[5:24] <tbwen> ShiftPlusOne: It looks like a Y splitter with female USB A, splitting into a male micro and a female Micro
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[5:24] <tbwen> ShiftPlusOne: yeah i think a picture is going to be best route here, hold on
[5:24] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds right to me
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[5:25] <tbwen> ShiftPlusOne: It's powered through USB A right now, I've got model B and didn't need to cut the 5V wire
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[5:26] <tbwen> ShiftPlusOne: +++
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[5:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Here's one I've clobbered up. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/lapdock%20cable.jpg The male micro-b just has power and the other connectors have data as well. =/
[5:32] <ShiftPlusOne> and the ferrite choke is just for effect
[5:33] <tbwen> ShiftPlusOne: not quite i have, but very similar. i've got a pic in a sec, hold on
[5:34] <tbwen> not quite what i have*
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[5:36] <tbwen> hold on, picture was too big xD
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[5:36] <tbwen> ShiftPlusOne: http://i.imgur.com/sgIIUYy.jpg
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[5:38] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[5:38] <ShiftPlusOne> not a clue
[5:38] <tbwen> i also tried micro B to Male A wire into rpi, and powered rpi with microB
[5:38] <tbwen> that didn't even get lapdock to recognize anything
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[5:39] <ShiftPlusOne> other than the screen, does anything work?
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[5:40] <tbwen> nope, just power and screen
[5:40] <tbwen> i've got T: Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=480 MxCh= 1
[5:40] <tbwen> D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=01 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
[5:40] <tbwen> P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0002 Rev=03.02
[5:40] <tbwen> S: Manufacturer=Linux 3.2.27+ dwc_otg_hcd
[5:40] <tbwen> S: Product=DWC OTG Controller
[5:40] <tbwen> S: SerialNumber=bcm2708_usb
[5:40] <tbwen> C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
[5:40] <tbwen> I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
[5:40] <tbwen> so it recognizes something
[5:40] <ShiftPlusOne> don't paste more than 3 lines >_<
[5:41] <tbwen> oh sorry
[5:41] <ShiftPlusOne> that's what pastebin is for =D
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[5:41] <ShiftPlusOne> are you sure the data lines are connected properly in that cable of yours?
[5:44] <tbwen> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, unless it's a cheap chinese defect
[5:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Well then... good luck >.>
[5:46] <tbwen> ShiftPlusOne: well i guess my last question is, should they keyboard and trackpad work without any changes to the OS?
[5:46] <tbwen> ShiftPlusOne: plug and play, assuming i get plugs right?
[5:46] <ShiftPlusOne> iirc, yeah.
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[5:47] <ShiftPlusOne> there is just a line you need to add to the config to make sure sounds works
[5:47] <tbwen> there's sound on lapdock?
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[5:47] <ShiftPlusOne> there might be different models without sound
[5:47] <ShiftPlusOne> but yes, mine has sound
[5:48] <ShiftPlusOne> The speakers are on the back corners
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[6:35] <fr0g911> morning
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[6:40] <ParkerR> fr0g911, Marning
[6:40] <ParkerR> *Morning
[6:40] <fr0g911> ;)
[6:40] <fr0g911> someones awake
[6:41] <fr0g911> yah!
[6:41] <piney> still evening here, cant sleep
[6:41] <fr0g911> what time
[6:41] <piney> 1:41am
[6:42] <fr0g911> 12:42
[6:42] <fr0g911> evening lol
[6:42] <piney> lol
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[6:45] <fr0g911> man this company of mine is driving me nuts
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[6:46] <fr0g911> wow your gonna get prv
[6:47] <fr0g911> wish i got prv lol
[6:48] <piney> my company left hours ago thankfully
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[6:53] <fr0g911> ?
[6:53] <fr0g911> whatcha mean left hours ago
[6:54] <piney> they were over for dinner
[6:54] <fr0g911> why didnt i get an invite
[6:54] <piney> had corn, beef and cabbage :)
[6:55] <fr0g911> aww but im vegetarian
[6:55] <fr0g911> i could have cord and cabbage
[6:55] <piney> your too many states away for that to be feasible
[6:55] <fr0g911> that sounds good
[6:55] <fr0g911> i have a private jet
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[6:55] <piney> Now you say these things
[6:56] <piney> was at a customers house friday, called hum around 2:30 in the afternoon
[6:56] <fr0g911> people dont ever ask
[6:56] <piney> was in NC on a business trip
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[6:56] <piney> less than 2 hours later, he was home
[6:57] <piney> he has one of those small private jets too
[6:58] <fr0g911> so i sent my guy to patch up a hole i made in this house and he needs to go back tomorrow to finish the job and the owner isnt calling me back or texting pissing me off cause i need to finish the job so i can pay my guys and get paid myself
[6:58] <piney> that can e frusterating
[6:59] <piney> be
[6:59] <fr0g911> yeah its a 1200 job and my guy i have to paid 160
[7:00] <fr0g911> and like a dumbass i left some of my tools there
[7:00] <piney> language
[7:00] <fr0g911> oops forgot a^^
[7:00] <fr0g911> i am however talking about a donkey
[7:01] <piney> always a gamble leaving tools
[7:01] <fr0g911> yeah but gives them the promise i will be back
[7:01] <piney> i try to leave it at ladders only, unless the place is still very under construction, then i may leave more
[7:02] <piney> never a cordless anything though they are the first to grow legs and walk
[7:02] <fr0g911> rofl
[7:02] <fr0g911> yea i always take my drills and such
[7:02] <fr0g911> just leave my bag of wires and such
[7:02] <fr0g911> i always take my cams
[7:03] <fr0g911> cause at a 100 a pop
[7:03] <fr0g911> they are worth alot
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[7:05] <fr0g911> so i fried my poe board
[7:05] <fr0g911> at the job
[7:05] <piney> ever have one of your camera systems help solve a crime?
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[7:05] <fr0g911> right when i was almost done with the job
[7:05] <fr0g911> made me so mad
[7:06] <fr0g911> yes as a mater of fact
[7:06] <fr0g911> 3 houses
[7:06] <fr0g911> in a roll
[7:06] <piney> nice
[7:06] <fr0g911> they used the cams from all 3 houses
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[7:06] <fr0g911> got all the footage
[7:06] <fr0g911> to hpd
[7:06] <fr0g911> convicted 3 people
[7:07] <fr0g911> they are doing 20+ years
[7:07] <piney> I did a camera system at a marina here, they had someone dump a body in the river. the police got a license plate from one of the cameras
[7:07] <piney> not sure how long they are doing, but they did get them
[7:07] <fr0g911> thats awesome
[7:08] <fr0g911> one of the cops was like wow you should get the word out about your systems. i said nah thats ok i dont want people knowing who i am behind bars
[7:08] <fr0g911> lol
[7:08] <piney> lol
[7:09] <piney> 70mm lens on this camera aimed at a bottleneck where everyone has to turn, it was installed specifically to read license plates, and worked
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[7:09] <fr0g911> it was so funny the video i wonder if i still have them in the archies
[7:10] <fr0g911> nice
[7:10] <fr0g911> i just install the low ip cams
[7:10] <piney> videos of crimes can be funny
[7:10] <fr0g911> not into cctv cams and such
[7:10] <fr0g911> i did one bar with 16 cams
[7:11] <piney> i have another one floating around somewhere. gas station and static electricity lighting a fire when someone was filling up
[7:12] <fr0g911> i always find it so cool watching someone smoking a cig on infrared
[7:12] <fr0g911> you seen that?
[7:12] <piney> yea, the orb
[7:12] <piney> only at night in low lux mode
[7:12] <fr0g911> yeah there mouth fills up with light
[7:12] <fr0g911> its crazy
[7:12] <fr0g911> makes them look like fire into the mouth
[7:13] <piney> nevr noticed that part of it
[7:13] <fr0g911> and the light traces
[7:13] <fr0g911> from there cig
[7:13] <piney> my dad and uncle both learned they were balding by adjusting cctv cameras
[7:15] <fr0g911> yeah
[7:15] <fr0g911> i learned that myself
[7:15] <fr0g911> made me mad
[7:16] <piney> i'm 29, so have time to go (i hope anyway)
[7:16] <fr0g911> also helped me find out about a time i blacked out at my self and had blood in my car on the window and the steering wheel
[7:17] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[7:17] <piney> interesting
[7:18] <fr0g911> watched the video like 2 weeks later noticed every day i closed the car door pulling the window and quickly pulling my hand inside thought about it and was like awwwww i musta got drunk slammed my finger in the door and yeah
[7:18] <piney> lol
[7:19] <fr0g911> so the cam did help me out there
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[7:19] <piney> dont drive while drunk!
[7:19] <fr0g911> yeah thats another thing
[7:19] <fr0g911> i learned to never do that again
[7:19] <fr0g911> lol
[7:20] <piney> i hope not the hard way
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[7:20] <piney> as in expensive
[7:20] <fr0g911> not expensive just can hurt me or someone
[7:20] <fr0g911> so i only drink at home or get someone to drive me home
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[7:27] <x29a> ShiftPlusOne: word
[7:28] <ShiftPlusOne> which?
[7:28] <fr0g911> oh sorry forgot to say hi ShiftPlusOne
[7:28] <fr0g911> so hi
[7:29] <ShiftPlusOne> It's ok, there's no "say hi to shiftplusone" policy on this channel.
[7:29] <ShiftPlusOne> But hey there
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[7:29] <x29a> ShiftPlusOne: i agreed with your reaction up there
[7:30] <x29a> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=word
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[7:30] <fr0g911> :)
[7:30] <ShiftPlusOne> heh, dw, I understood
[7:30] <fr0g911> can be used as a greeting, hey whats up
[7:30] <fr0g911> lol
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[7:32] <x29a> fr0g911, piney: so you guys use rpis for security stuff?
[7:32] <piney> x29a, not yet here, i will though.
[7:32] <piney> my day job is security though
[7:32] <piney> alarm systems mainly
[7:33] <ShiftPlusOne> I beleive rikkib is into that sort of thing as well
[7:33] <piney> yes
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[7:33] <x29a> id be interested if tests have been performed regarding the stability of rpis
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[7:33] <fr0g911> i just installed 2 pi's for security
[7:33] <fr0g911> so yes
[7:34] <x29a> i mean, some sort of certification or so, they will run 24/7/365 after all?
[7:34] <fr0g911> it has replaced the dvr
[7:34] <A124> x29a: No way
[7:35] <x29a> as in "proven to be wrong by experience"?
[7:35] <piney> i can see a pi doing 99.9% uptime, two doing 99.99% uptime.
[7:35] <A124> Certification sh*t makes prices tenfold at least
[7:35] <x29a> A124: i know, but for them to happen, people might have had trials or so
[7:35] <A124> Also that's not possible with Pi, as it's software that changes
[7:36] <A124> x29a: I don't get it?
[7:36] <x29a> id ask nasa, but they didnt deploy any rpi spaceships yet
[7:36] <A124> x29a: trials for?
[7:36] <A124> happen what?
[7:36] <x29a> im looking for XP with rpi doing work for a long time without crashing
[7:37] <fr0g911> i've had this pi running at a jobsite for 9days now with no known errors what so ever
[7:37] <fr0g911> recording coverting video 3 cams
[7:37] <x29a> but not to the SD, or?
[7:37] <piney> http://pastebin.com/jbQAxNzi <- my pi's uptime %age
[7:37] <A124> What tha f... are you talking about x29a??!
[7:37] <Viper-7> x29a: if its really a problem, why cant you develop defensively? built your system so a crash or reboot is not a critical/fatal issue
[7:37] <Viper-7> /built/build/
[7:38] <A124> First you say something that is not finished, then you don't say anything.
[7:38] <x29a> Viper-7: i know different approaches, im just looking for experiences, people already made
[7:38] <piney> the down time is so large cause of corrupt sd card issues on the boot partition when doing rpi-update
[7:38] <piney> HA (high avaiability) can be quite fun
[7:39] <fr0g911> the only corrupt sd i've had was from people not shutting down the pi the right way
[7:39] <A124> update..
[7:39] <x29a> A124: which part did not get over? i want to know if and how people are using their RPI boards for jobs where a high availability and stability is required
[7:39] <A124> That's what is not done when sth works
[7:39] <Viper-7> fr0g911: me too, but thats still a concern
[7:39] <A124> And has to stay up
[7:39] <Viper-7> it means on power failure, his high availablity system might go down until a user intervenes and reflashes the SD
[7:39] <A124> x29a: trials for what?
[7:39] <A124> certifications for what?
[7:40] <x29a> any, hit me, surprise me, im interested in all data, no selection
[7:40] <A124> What is meant by "certifications" in your terms?
[7:40] <Viper-7> would it be possible to run raspbian from an SD mounted as read only? use a USB drive for any writable partitions (which can be fixed or replaced automatically)?
[7:40] <x29a> A124: y u so mad?
[7:40] <A124> Nope, I'm calm
[7:40] <x29a> then get off my back
[7:40] <A124> Why you act like kid troll?
[7:40] <piney> i had the sd card corrupt once from power issues, but i power my pi from something with a battery in it, so power interruptions don't mess me up as much
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[7:40] <A124> I had serious and honest question
[7:41] <piney> but i would say over 30% of the time when doing rpi-update, it corrupts that boot partition
[7:41] <A124> x29a: Get off what? And why? What did I done? Asked you a question?
[7:41] <A124> That you might avoiding to answer having trials on sth you want to guard/spy?
[7:42] <Viper-7> well i wouldnt be allowing automatic unattended updates on a device designed for stability
[7:42] <Viper-7> so i wouldnt worry too much about rpi-update issues
[7:42] <fr0g911> well i have to confirm x29a my pi has exceed its stability running motion detection for upto 5 ipcams using poe 24v system
[7:42] <x29a> Viper-7, piney: yeah, updates arent the issue
[7:42] <A124> I wouldn't be allowing automatic updates anywhere
[7:43] <fr0g911> going 9days with my current client without any downtime
[7:43] <x29a> fr0g911: are you running the default raspbian or anything special?
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[7:44] <fr0g911> i am using Debian
[7:44] <fr0g911> for the systems
[7:44] <A124> x29a: I would help you, but you avoiding an aswer I'll allow myself saying this. ^^
[7:44] <fr0g911> just a min stuff
[7:44] <A124> /say
[7:44] <Viper-7> x29a: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=22596
[7:45] <fortytwo> I've had uptimes of a bit over a month running mine as a music player (mpd and pianobar) on standard raspbian, though it did finally corrupt a card the other day :/
[7:45] <fr0g911> oops i mean Arc
[7:45] <x29a> A124: yeah, i think we got off on the wrong track, just for clarity, im not spying or anything else, i want to look into using the rpi as the heart of homeautomation also controlling the furnace and itd be quite disadvantegeous if it started to hang after 5 days
[7:45] <fr0g911> forgot i had to switch to arc
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[7:46] <fr0g911> because wheezy was giving me errors
[7:46] <x29a> in which way?
[7:46] <Viper-7> x29a: also http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=23154
[7:47] <x29a> Viper-7: yeah, id probably do something like that, but im afraid of the network/usb bus of the rpi, i have read of some stability problems there
[7:47] <piney> x29a, i typically reboot mine cause the firmware updates are quite often. but I have had 40ish day uptimes without any issue before
[7:47] <x29a> then again, i wouldnt write out/send too much data
[7:47] <fr0g911> using more then 3 streams from motion would cause the pi the close/crash motion program on wheezy
[7:47] <Viper-7> x29a: early revision pi's had a wiring error to the network/usb chip, which caused heat/stability issues
[7:47] <fr0g911> if someone logged into the web server
[7:47] <x29a> fr0g911: ok, closing programs can get worked around with a watchdog
[7:48] <x29a> Viper-7: are all 512mb models fixed?
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[7:48] <Viper-7> aside from that, some people occasionally report stability issues with the lan chip after extended periods of time, the 100% reliable fix seems to be to adjust the usb bus speed down to 1.1, which most people are fine with doing
[7:49] <Viper-7> x29a: tricky question - i have a 256mb model on a 512mb PCB, im sure the opposite exists in the wild too
[7:49] <x29a> Viper-7: ah, great tip, thanks
[7:49] <fr0g911> but i didnt test around with wheezy i just switched and it worked so im sure i could of got around it but as i took the fast way to fix something
[7:49] <Viper-7> there are a huge variety of pi boards / ram chips / cpu revisions available
[7:49] <fr0g911> and im happy i did
[7:49] <x29a> Viper-7: ok, the novice referencing the original 512mb version (a k a second release)
[7:51] <fr0g911> oh did i also say the setup i do also has a eggdrop running
[7:51] <Viper-7> x29a: i only wish it were that simple :<
[7:51] <Viper-7> http://elinux.org/RaspberryPi_Boards
[7:51] <x29a> Viper-7: uh, well, intresting ;)
[7:52] <piney> cant read the board revision number on my 512mb pi
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[7:53] <fr0g911> mine says ownt911
[7:54] <fr0g911> i donno why
[7:58] <x29a> Viper-7: its just so hard with such a complex little beast, it could be hardware (as you said) but also software (https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/151) - i guess ill just keep my rpis to a current version and keep on doing long operation tests
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[8:01] <Viper-7> x29a: heh yep, i hadnt even heard of that fix tho, good to know :)
[8:01] <x29a> ill look into rpi-update in any case
[8:02] <x29a> thanks so far
[8:03] <Viper-7> the RPi isnt the only choice for such tasks either, to me the olinuxino-A13 with onboard NAND flash would be a better candidate for a permanent installation than a Pi, however the community behind that SoC is far smaller, so I dont think it can really compare to the amount of testing/usage the RPi has already had in the wild
[8:04] <x29a> yeah, there were other devices and will be too, but to profit from such a great community is a big plus
[8:04] <Viper-7> yup :)
[8:05] <x29a> im just not too sure if i would want the rpi to do the critical things, if i should do it redundantly, or have some embedded fail-safe device along with it and do just UI/logging/higher level stuff on the rpi
[8:05] <x29a> questions, that are yet to be answered
[8:05] <x29a> A124: ---^ ;)
[8:05] <Viper-7> depends greatly on what your plans are for it
[8:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm, I didn't think you could get a flimsier sd card holder than the raspberry pi one, but I seem to have made me one =/, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/sdholder.jpg.
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[8:06] <x29a> ShiftPlusOne: haha!
[8:06] <piney> ShiftPlusOne, those are handy, made me one of them too
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[8:07] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[8:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Now to figure out how to actually interface with a card. =/
[8:08] <piney> yea, that's harder than making it for sure
[8:08] <x29a> FAT should be fairly easy
[8:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I have a lib for FAT for the board I am using... just need to figure out how to actually use it, that's all.
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[8:10] <Viper-7> x29a: from the limited set of your requirements ive seen, a pi (well, linux at all) is kinda overkill :P
[8:11] <x29a> imagination is the limit, im just evaluating, and yes, there are plenty of alternatives
[8:11] <Viper-7> food for thought: http://www.goodluckbuy.com/msp430f2121-bk2421-nrf24l01-wireless-module-msp430-development-board.html
[8:13] <x29a> that looks like something more designated for the actor/receiver side
[8:13] <x29a> if i wanted to switch a light or something
[8:13] <x29a> but yeah, you see the same pieces of hardware mixed together a lot
[8:14] <x29a> http://r0ket.de/hardware with LPC1343 instead of MSP430
[8:14] <x29a> Viper-7: yours might work nicely with http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/EZ430-Chronos though ;)
[8:14] <Viper-7> x29a: sure, but it can be an independant actor, capable of doing the task autonomously, but can be controlled directly from, or have its schedule/logic updated by a remote host
[8:15] <Viper-7> decentralization and redundancy tend to go hand in hand :)
[8:15] <x29a> thats always the question, also in automotion, make actors smart or keep the brain central....
[8:15] <des2> What's a r0ket ?
[8:16] <x29a> des2: a devboard the CCC handed out on a couple of there events as nametags
[8:16] <Viper-7> x29a: communication from other devices is easy http://dx.com/p/2-4ghz-nrf24l01-wireless-communication-module-for-arduino-green-2-pcs-149255
[8:16] <des2> ah
[8:17] <x29a> Viper-7: still, im evaluating the rpi as core ;) my actors are driven by avr-tinys at the moment, they dont need more horsepower atm
[8:17] <fr0g911> goodnight everyone
[8:17] <Viper-7> hehe fair enough :)
[8:17] <x29a> howdy fr0g911
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[8:18] <fr0g911> im sooo tired need me some sleep
[8:18] <fr0g911> ;P
[8:18] <fr0g911> howdy
[8:18] <fr0g911> word
[8:19] <x29a> lol
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[8:23] <fr0g911> goodnight ShiftPlusOne piney Viper
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[8:27] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[8:28] <tonyhughes> Evening all
[8:29] <ShiftPlusOne> hey
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[8:47] <tonyhughes> How are you tonight? Ive had a full on day, and now bloated from Maccas for dinner
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[8:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Shame on you! And yeah, my day has been good. Throwing some hardware together for prototyping a project.
[9:01] <tonyhughes> Nice. Im writing bash and testing. Should really be in bed.
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[9:02] <ShiftPlusOne> the bakingpi thing?
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[9:05] <tonyhughes> Yeah, Im bugfixing everything, changing the name, and releasing it as compatible for Raspbian, Debian, *buntu, Mint, Arch, Fedora and Cent
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[9:05] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[9:06] <tonyhughes> Couple of months since initial release, would be nice to lose the 'beta' tag.
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[9:08] <tonyhughes> Looking at 50-100 items in the changelog despite no new features, all bugfixes and usability stuff
[9:08] <tonyhughes> Then I suppose I should look at re-writing in Python, to teach myself Python!
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[9:10] <mjr> ShiftPlusOne, since the topic is locked, I'll make a note here about your defense of bullying. ReggieUK especially doesn't seem to understand that he's an _authority figure_ here and thus his actions have indirect consequences. The "think of the children" argument cuts both ways. Is the example we want to set kids here that an authority figure can treat punishments as a joke as he did? Is the example you want to set here that you will be punished ...
[9:10] <mjr> ... even for a single _typing error_ that you _own up to_ like IT_Sean did?
[9:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Who was punished as a joke?
[9:12] <ShiftPlusOne> A124?
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[9:15] <mjr> aaa801 was, though that is immaterial. He swore, first he wasn't kicked as he's apparently chummy with the op in question (questionable reason in itself), then he was kicked but the kick was being treated as a joke.
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[9:15] <mjr> the log snippet was in my original post, if you happened to actually bother to read it
[9:15] <mjr> (though nick censored)
[9:16] <ShiftPlusOne> I was not sure if that's what you were referring to as bullying. Or was there something else?
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[9:17] <mjr> both instances (though the aaa801 instance might not have been actual bullying if they're friends of sorts, one has to consider as an op what one's actions come across as to the rest of the users)
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[9:19] <mjr> also, if your channel has not received spesific endorsement from the foundation as jamesh on the forums indicates, you might want to tone the false advertisement down
[9:19] <ShiftPlusOne> If someone feels bullied or that someone else was bullied, then that's serious and I would like to know more about it, because that's the sort of thing we want to prevent and it would certainly be inapproporiate behaviour from an op. I just don't see the examples you've provided as anything of the sort.
[9:21] <mjr> yes, power does tend to blind one to its misuse
[9:21] <ShiftPlusOne> So... I am a bully too now?
[9:21] * herpderp__ laughs profusely
[9:21] <mjr> no, merely a defender of ones. Not quite as bad but almost.
[9:24] <ShiftPlusOne> You're jumping from accusation to accusation. I am not even sure which to respond to, if any.
[9:24] <mjr> and seriously, if the other ops would act as you said you act, there would be much less of a problem
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[9:26] <mjr> I fail to see how that's jumping from accusation to accusation, as it's not news that you're defending them, and it's not new that I consider their actions to be reproachable
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[9:27] <mjr> I merely put the two and two together for you, to correct your false impression that I'd consider you a bully as well
[9:27] <ryanteck> 0.o
[9:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Who's them? I thought it was just Reggie you had a problem with.
[9:28] <mjr> ...
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[9:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Or Reggie's actions?
[9:30] <ryanteck> mjr they in no way say it is fully backed by RPI, they just say that RPI support the channel
[9:31] <ryanteck> hence the "Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC" part
[9:31] <mjr> ryanteck, I never said anything else
[9:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Or toned down even more, we are here with their permission and the topic was run by and allowed by them.
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[9:31] <mjr> fine, would you be kind enough to tone it down in the topic as well
[9:32] <ShiftPlusOne> What do you think is untrue?
[9:33] <mjr> and I'll just skip continuing this at this time since I apparently would have to reexplain myself every five minutes, but if you remember one thing of this convesation, it should be this: "and seriously, if the other ops would act as you said you act, there would be much less of a problem"
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[9:33] <Dyskette> So... what's wrong with the topic?
[9:33] <ryanteck> I honestly don't know
[9:33] <herpderp__> Don't skip. I am thoroughly entertained to the highest degree.
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[9:34] <tonyhughes> off to bed. I'll read logs tomorrow. Nite all.
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[9:34] <ryanteck> Night
[9:34] <mjr> tonyhughes, good that you paid attention, so that you won't have to invent what happened next time
[9:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Dyskette, jamesh said in a thread "I would hesitate to use the word blessed and I have not seen any endorsements or blessings" in a thread on the forum. He wouldn't have because our communication with the RPF wasn't through him specifically. Not a big deal though.
[9:34] <mjr> bother
[9:35] <Dyskette> Ah, right.
[9:35] <ShiftPlusOne> paraphrasing, but that's what I beleive mjr has a problem with when it comes to the topic
[9:35] <Dyskette> Presumably SOMEONE from the foundation gave the thumbs-up for it, even if that person wasn't jamesh.
[9:35] <Dyskette> ...and it's not like jamesh is the guy at the top of the pyramid, ultimately in charge...
[9:35] <ryanteck> Wait, Jamesh is a trustie?
[9:37] <ryanteck> meh
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[9:43] <ShiftPlusOne> For when you read the logs... sorry if that was a bit anti-climactic, Tony.
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[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm... surprised that I can't find a breadboard that has more than 5 pins per row. Is that to avoid stray capacitance or something?
[10:23] <des2> It's because who needs more than 5 pins ?
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[10:24] <dmonjo> hello guys
[10:24] <ShiftPlusOne> lies
[10:24] <ShiftPlusOne> and hello
[10:24] <des2> you need more just run a wire to an open 5 pins
[10:24] <dmonjo> i am trying to get my webcam working on my raspberry, the light of the cam goes on when i do mplayer tv:// but i get this error Cannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format 0x47504A50.
[10:24] <dmonjo> any ideas how to resolve/
[10:25] <dmonjo> http://pastie.org/6600685
[10:25] <dmonjo> this ist he full output
[10:25] <ShiftPlusOne> des2, nuh I have a dev board which plugs into aa breadboard but is too fat, so it goes into the outter pins and if I want to hook things up, it has to be done under the board, which is awkward. =/
[10:26] <mgottschlag> I think the most common way to resolve that is to just use two breadboards :)
[10:27] <des2> oh you want a breadboard spaced for fat chips
[10:28] <ShiftPlusOne> mgottschlag, I have had this board for years and that has never occured to me. So yeah, I am an idiot. Thanks for the idea, that works.
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[10:33] <des2> I dunno dmonjo, see if googling : video format 0x47504A50
[10:33] <des2> produces anyone with a solution
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[11:04] <f8l> seba--: :-(
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[11:37] <dmonjo> hello
[11:38] <dmonjo> my 4GB SDCard is showing only 2GB
[11:38] <dmonjo> http://pastebin.com/kh0QvdJM
[11:38] <dmonjo> how can i fix it so i use 4gB?
[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> you haven't expanded it
[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> which distro?
[11:38] <dmonjo> raspbian
[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> run sudo raspi-config
[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> and select the option to expand the partition
[11:38] <dmonjo> ok done
[11:38] <dmonjo> rebooting
[11:40] <ShiftPlusOne> fixed?
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[11:42] <dmonjo> yes thanks
[11:42] <dmonjo> anyone having gstreamer working on PI?
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[12:05] <BlueMint> Hi, who is a good and cheap distributer of RPi's for Australia?
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[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> pick one
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> element14 is good, but expensive
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> rs.... is cheaper.
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> but you won't have your pi any time soon if you order through rs
[12:07] <ShiftPlusOne> ymmv
[12:07] <BlueMint> hahah, thank you
[12:07] <ShiftPlusOne> good luck
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[12:15] <[Saint]> 1280x800 gives me a /lot/ of themeing room :)
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[13:40] <Amadiro> How many UARTs/I2C lines does the rpi have? In the pinout eLinux gives me it lists I2C0 and I2C1, and UART0 and UART1, but they seem to be placed on the exact same pins?
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[13:49] <Viper-7> Amadiro: 1 UART, 1 I2C and 1 SPI exposed on the main header (P1), another I2C and hardware flow control for the uart exposed on P5 on revision 2 boards
[13:49] <Amadiro> Viper-7, thanks.
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[13:52] <dmonjo> can anyone help me ?
[13:52] <dmonjo> http://pastie.org/6602726
[13:54] <Viper-7> dmonjo: doesnt really seem RPi related.. aside from being a linux app. It seems like you're attempting to use software designed for tv tuners, with a usb webcam - and its freaking out because it cant set the colour mode / band / channel / etc (because the webcam doesnt have a tv tuner)
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[13:55] <dmonjo> Viper-7: how can i test my webcam?
[13:56] <Viper-7> dmonjo: your paste was from a console app, are you even running a GUI on your pi?
[13:56] <dmonjo> i am redirecting GUI output to my desktop GUI
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[13:56] <Viper-7> there are plenty of apps to either share a webcam feed out over a network, or to display it - the most common that i know of with support for playback from capture devices would be VLC
[13:57] <Viper-7> mplayer and such probably can too
[13:57] <Viper-7> but you need to read their documentation / ask their support, not us
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[14:01] <dmonjo> Viper-7: can you stream video from a pi ? :/
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[14:02] <dmonjo> webcam-> out of pi
[14:02] <dmonjo> dunno if cpu supports it
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[14:03] <FR^2> mjpeg via "motion" running fine here ;)
[14:03] <FR^2> Though that is not a real video stream.
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[14:05] <dmonjo> FR^2: streaing h264 into a server?
[14:06] <FR^2> no, as I said, it's just some primitive mjpeg
[14:06] <dmonjo> so you just saving webcam vid into disk?
[14:07] <Viper-7> dmonjo: depends on your expectations, and budget (either time or money :P)
[14:08] <Viper-7> dmonjo: jpeg or mjpeg streams are easy, and in theory the pi can take the webcam data and encode it to h.264 in hardware in real-time, but i dont think any software exists to make that a simple "click a button" affair
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[14:08] <Viper-7> indeed the hardware encoder on the pi is quite neglected
[14:08] <dmonjo> Viper-7: does it use the GPU for that?
[14:08] <dmonjo> coz cpu is slow
[14:09] <Viper-7> dmonjo: it has a real hardware h.264 encoder
[14:09] <Viper-7> the encode process shouldnt use ANY cpu OR gpu time when setup correctly
[14:09] <Viper-7> again tho, as for software to do that, good luck :/
[14:09] <Viper-7> https://github.com/dickontoo/omxtx was the last i looked at
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[14:09] <Viper-7> but its nothing near complete
[14:09] <Viper-7> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=25022
[14:09] <dmonjo> omx is the name of the hardweare yea
[14:10] <Viper-7> that guy is transcoding 6 streams at once per pi
[14:10] <Viper-7> but with closed source code
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[14:11] <Viper-7> dmonjo: the hardware is the Broadcom BC2835, from there its really all pretty custom
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[14:11] <Viper-7> and since Broadcom dont like telling anyone how anything works without a stack of signed and sealed paperwork, its hard
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[14:12] <dmonjo> http://www.broadcom.com/products/BCM2835
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[14:18] <Viper-7> yep?
[14:18] <Viper-7> 6 lines of features does not a specification make
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[14:19] <Viper-7> broadcom datasheets are tightly controlled, they are not publically available - some portions of the BCM2835 datasheet have been made available by the raspberry pi foundation (at what i hear was a significant effort) - but not enough to implement these features
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[14:20] <Viper-7> to design a device using a BCM2835, you must approach broadcom with everything - a business plan, expected sales figures, production costs and pipeline structure, detailed descriptions of the device and intended purpose, and more - then *maybe* you'll get approved to request a datasheet :P
[14:22] <Viper-7> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1784
[14:22] <Viper-7> details it all
[14:22] <dmonjo> why pi chose a broadcom then?
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[14:23] <IT_Sean> dmonjo: Eben Upton, who evented the Pi works for Broadcom.
[14:23] <Viper-7> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
[14:23] <Viper-7> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0301h/DDI0301H_arm1176jzfs_r0p7_trm.pdf
[14:23] <Viper-7> those are what are available
[14:24] <Viper-7> neither comes close to detailing the GPU internals
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[14:25] <dmonjo> so there is a cpu and a gpu and a bcom all seperate hardware
[14:25] <Viper-7> no
[14:26] <Viper-7> its a SoC, System on a Chip, its all integrated
[14:26] <dmonjo> ok
[14:26] <Viper-7> its seperate hardware in the same way that an SPI interface is seperate from a microcontroller
[14:26] <Viper-7> aka, its not
[14:26] <Viper-7> dmonjo: for a long time GPU specifications and even drivers have been protected, as other competing manufacturers could use that data to their advantage, its really not specific to broadcom at all, but broadcom tend to take it to extremes
[14:27] <dmonjo> i rememebr a big fight between linus torvald and nvidia regarding this issue
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[14:28] <Viper-7> yup, it used to be quite a skill to get a working graphics driver on a linux machine
[14:28] <Viper-7> probably the only reason we arent all using 100% linux desktops today
[14:28] <Viper-7> just because of this same problem :<
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[14:28] <dmonjo> i remember seeing him giving thefinger in a conference
[14:29] <dmonjo> :)
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[14:30] <narcos> Hi all. Could someone recommend a 3G dongle? I'm looking for high reliabilty as my main concern.
[14:30] <narcos> My Pi will be deployed long term, > 3 months without attendance
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[14:32] <ozymandias> anyone try getting the RPi to get a CrashPlan server running? I see it is possible, but I am wondering about preformance
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[14:34] <ivotkl> Hello everyone. =)
[14:34] <seba--> f8l, yeah :(
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[14:35] <FR^2> dmonjo: re - sorry, I'm at work and was busy. mjpeg (motion JPEG) just serves a HTTP "stream" with JPEG separated in multipart/bounded
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[14:42] <JohannesG> ozymandias: that is an interesting idea. I don't have an experience with it but I did try to set it up as a backup server (time machine and rsync) and I gave up on it simply because of the slow network speed
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[14:48] <ozymandias> JohannesG: I'm looking at leaving one with an external harddrive at a house across town
[14:48] <ozymandias> i have a machine there right now, but the OS drive is throwing I/O errors, and an additional RPi+ case is cheaper than another HDD to put in it
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[14:49] <ozymandias> I am guessing the RPi would be fast enough network wise for that
[14:49] <JohannesG> ozymandias: I am pretty sure it can be made stable, but I don't know about the speed. The RPi ethernet port shares a bus with the usb ports
[14:49] <ozymandias> good point
[14:49] <JohannesG> so network speed will be slower than you are used to
[14:50] <ozymandias> I'm a patient man, though ;-)
[14:50] <ozymandias> I just want an offsite backup of things like photos
[14:50] <JohannesG> the speed of the actual pi should be OK. I have no trouble copying/pasting files between my computers and my pi (over local internet though, haven't tried WAN) although it's slower than usual
[14:51] <JohannesG> yeah, I got a lot of data (RAW photographer for example) so it just took too much time :P
[14:51] <ozymandias> ah
[14:51] <ozymandias> well, I also backup to a local machine
[14:51] <JohannesG> although, from personal experience, i would recommend not running anything else on the pi. I use mine also as a music server and the music lags like hell for example when i'm copy/pasting files in between
[14:51] <ozymandias> for primary recoveries
[14:52] <JohannesG> between*
[14:52] <ozymandias> really?
[14:52] <ozymandias> interesting
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[14:52] <ozymandias> all I have used mine for so far is openelec
[14:52] <ozymandias> and 1080p video
[14:52] <ozymandias> but that's only network and not network+disk
[14:53] <JohannesG> oh it handled 1080p well?
[14:53] <ozymandias> very
[14:53] <JohannesG> nice
[14:53] <ozymandias> yeah
[14:53] <ozymandias> i put the SQL db on a remote server, so I can tie multiple front ends to it
[14:54] <ozymandias> and not have to rebuild the library every time I break somethign fiddling
[14:54] <JohannesG> fancy
[14:54] <ozymandias> it's actually pretty slick
[14:54] <ozymandias> you can rsync xbmc profiles from one Pi to another
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[14:54] <JohannesG> i'm just running MPD on mine for music and that's it (well, and I set up ZNC irc bouncer yesterday)
[14:55] <ozymandias> did you know that there are companies that will CoLo your Rpi for free? if you want to run a bouncer on it
[14:55] <JohannesG> yeah I heard about it
[14:55] <JohannesG> probably not many in my country though
[14:56] <ozymandias> fair enough
[14:56] <JohannesG> although I was shocked to find that there is actually a store in my home country which sells raspberry pi
[14:56] <JohannesG> although a 3 hour drive for me :P
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[14:57] <JohannesG> but i highly doubt there's a CoLo here. (Iceland)
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[15:00] <_inc> 'afternoon all
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[15:01] <ozymandias> JohannesG: you could colo internationally
[15:01] <ozymandias> for free? not a huge deal ;-)
[15:04] <seba--> f8l, i think i figured it out, lol
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[15:07] <f8l> seba--: What was wrong?
[15:08] <f8l> ??? as if it wasn't too soon to judge. ;-P
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[15:13] <seba--> f8l, i don't know what caused the first failure, it really could be like lack of space or something, but the rest of the failures i think were caused by the weird behaviour of w32imagewriter, where you must first delete all the partitions, create a big fresh fat32 and full format it, not just quick format it lol
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[15:17] <seba--> f8l, so well you could say it was cause by my stupidity for not reading the begginer's tutorial, but otoh, it's just weird behaviour if you really must do this lol
[15:17] <seba--> of the tool
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[15:18] <_inc> hmmmmm, i might conjure a pi/attacknid project
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[15:25] <dmonjo> i need to start with gstreamer from scratch, mainly with gst-launch where can i start? gstream looks like a wide world
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[15:27] <f8l> seba--: dd for the win. ;-)
[15:27] <_inc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G07o-cz5-po
[15:27] <_inc> apparently they have a single motor for locomotion and not sets of servos for each leg
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[15:32] <seba--> f8l, unfortunately i don't have linux on this machine where i have the sd card reader
[15:32] <[Saint]> liveimages exist.
[15:33] <[Saint]> liveUSB/liveCD, etc.
[15:33] <[Saint]> also Wubi
[15:33] <seba--> i don't have a cdrom
[15:33] <_inc> bootable usb
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[15:34] <seba--> yeah, i seem to loose it
[15:34] <seba--> lol
[15:34] <[Saint]> you don't need a cdrom.
[15:34] <[Saint]> that's only one option.
[15:34] <[Saint]> Wubi is an .exe that will install an Ubuntu image alongside your Windows installation in a loopback filesystem.
[15:35] <[Saint]> No partitioning required, no damage to the host OS.
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[15:36] <seba--> oh. well it seems easier to have two machines
[15:36] <seba--> lol
[15:36] <seba--> and buy a sd card reader
[15:36] <seba--> this pc has like just 60 gb of hdd
[15:36] <seba--> or i could put a sd card reader on the router
[15:36] <seba--> i have linux there
[15:36] <seba--> hm
[15:37] <[Saint]> Ubuntu needs like 6GB...I'm sure Wubi will be fine :)
[15:37] <[Saint]> especially considering you'll probably just trash the install anyway and need nothing more than the default install offers.
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[15:40] <jchvvs> Does anyone use mjpg_streamer with uvc video camera ? I have some strange behaviour. Have you a look at there http://i.imgur.com/kAdXtPD.png
[15:41] <FR^2> jchvvs: I'm using "motion" for mjpeg "streaming" via http.
[15:42] <jchvvs> FR^2 yeah, but actually i have mjpg_streamer. I have the same behaviour with motion btw
[15:42] <FR^2> jchvvs: If you take a snapshot (as a jpeg file) with some other tool, do these artifacts occur in the resulting image as well?
[15:42] <jchvvs> hmmm
[15:44] <ParkerR> jchvvs, Did you set the correct stream type in the configuration file? Webcams have certain modes and not all webcams support all modes
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[15:45] <jchvvs> ParkerR for sure, well it's running over openwrt. but i saw that same raspberry users had the same issue. What i don't understand: i am running two same tplink routers same webcam, same framerate, same resolution, same mjpeg and one is giving me these artifacts and the other not.
[15:45] <jchvvs> same usb hub too
[15:45] <jchvvs> time for recompiling and running motion instead
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[15:47] <jchvvs> but streaming with YUV mode doesn't show screwed colored pixel
[15:47] <jchvvs> which requires more cpu usage
[15:47] <jchvvs> and less framerate :/
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[16:09] <ivotkl> Quick question... Do you know of a nice lightweight media player with mp3, mp4, avi, xvid plugin compatibility?
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[16:11] <seba--> ivotkl, mplayer?
[16:12] <seba--> or smplayer if you want gui
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[16:19] <chithead> you don't have much choice currently if you want accelerated video decode
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[16:24] <ivotkl> seba--: Thanks.
[16:24] <ivotkl> chithead: was that for me?
[16:24] <ivotkl> * chithead: Was that for me?
[16:25] <ParkerR> omxplayer for video and player for audio
[16:25] <ParkerR> *mplayer
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[16:26] <ivotkl> Hey, ParkerR! Nice to meet you again. Thanks.
[16:28] <jchvvs> Parker Lewis Can't Lose
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[17:11] * Firehopper yays and has a 17" lcd for my rpi :)
[17:12] <swart> nice - where did you get it?
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[17:13] <timmmaaaayyy> is the model a actually avaliable to purchase yet?
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[17:15] <seba--> f8l, yes i think this was it lol funny and bizzare
[17:15] <seba--> f8l, i've set up fsck everytime on boot to be sure
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[17:36] <Firehopper> swart off ebay. $40.
[17:37] <Firehopper> it controlls a 17" laptop lcd I had lyin around.. converts it into a hdmi/dvi/vga monitor :)
[17:37] <swart> that's a good deal. I've been looking for one but all amazon has is crap
[17:37] <Firehopper> now to build a case for the whole thing including rpi :)
[17:37] <swart> ah you used an existing monitor
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[17:37] <Firehopper> a laptop lcd screen actually
[17:38] <Firehopper> just a bare screen from a dead laptop :)
[17:38] <swart> what was the adapter you bought?
[17:38] <Firehopper> maybe I'll snag a touchscreen for it eventually
[17:38] <Firehopper> http://www.ebay.com/itm/110977522562?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 < this
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[17:40] <swart> Firehopper: thanks
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[17:41] <Firehopper> you just tell them the numbers of the back of the bare lcd. and they should be able to get you something
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[17:43] <nmc> hello
[17:43] <nmc> can someone help me with ddns on the raspi please?
[17:44] <nmc> I have followed the tutorials but it doesn-t seem to work
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[17:45] <offbyone> Hey, all; I just won a cool sparkfun starter kit at PyCon, but it doesn't have any of the wires that they were using in the lab there; can someone direct me to what those are called, and ideally point me at somewhere I could get them for a price that isn't insane?
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[17:50] <larsks> offbyone: Like these? https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11026
[17:52] <ReggieUK> try on ebay for them
[17:53] <ReggieUK> depending on the projects you can run out of them quite quickly
[17:53] <larsks> They're generally called "jumper wires" and you can find them cheaply all over the place (e.g., sparkfun, adafruit, ebay, etc)
[17:54] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l2736&_nkw=jumper+wires
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[17:55] <ReggieUK> make sure you check the ends
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[17:55] <ReggieUK> they come in male to male, male to female, female to female
[17:55] <IT_Sean> and female to male
[17:56] <ReggieUK> badoom-tish :D
[17:56] <IT_Sean> well, it's true.
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[17:58] <offbyone> larsks: Those are the ones; M/M means, I assume, male-male, which is suitable for breadboard things.
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[18:06] <offbyone> In case it wasn't obvious, I'm a bit iffy on terminology, too
[18:06] <offbyone> What are the boards called that connect the breadboard to the RPi's GPIO connector?
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[18:08] <Viper-7> you mean the adafruit pi cobbler ?
[18:08] <offbyone> That rings a bell.
[18:08] <offbyone> I think so
[18:09] <Viper-7> otherwise a breakout board, or an IDC connector
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[18:10] <offbyone> okay
[18:10] <offbyone> Thanks
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[18:31] <dmonjo> is there any way of using the BCM2835 to encode vp8?
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[18:39] <dexta> evening
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[18:40] <linuxstb> dmonjo: AFAIK, the only available hardware encoder is h264
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[18:43] <Linkxsc> pardon me, has anyone here tried the joy of hookign a GPRS or GSM shield up to their RPi. If anyone has, I've got a couple questions about a project I'm workign on
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[18:55] <nmc> hello all - i can access my raspi remotely over ssh, but I can't ping it or http to it. any advice, please?
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[18:57] <pksato> nmc: ping, some firewall before rpi, http, need to run some server (daemon).
[18:57] <seba--> nmc, this might sound stupid, but do you have a webserver installed?
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[18:58] <nmc> yes, i have nginx and I can see the webpages locally
[18:58] <nid0> is your router forwarding port 80?
[18:58] <pksato> some ISP block http incoming access
[18:58] <nid0> (assuming you're behind nat here)
[18:58] <nmc> when i try to ssh the pi from outside the router it works, but the pages don't
[18:58] <IT_Sean> Sounds like your ISP is blocking port 80
[18:59] <nmc> i placed it on the router's dmz
[18:59] <nmc> how about ping then?
[18:59] <nmc> i can't ping it from the outside
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[19:02] <nmc> nid0, I have port fwding on port 80 and the DMZ set up
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[19:06] <nmc> ok - it seems to be solved!
[19:06] <nmc> just changed /etc/nginx/sites-available/default to listen on 8080
[19:07] <nmc> can access it from the outside
[19:07] <nmc> is it possible that the isp is also blocking samba?
[19:07] <seba--> nmc, probably it's blocking every port <1024
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[19:08] <nmc> any reason for that?
[19:08] <nmc> (just out of curiosity)
[19:09] <IT_Sean> Most ISPs do.
[19:09] <IT_Sean> They want you to pay for a business account to host your own pages.
[19:09] <nmc> ah
[19:09] <seba--> nmc, to protect users
[19:10] <seba--> f8l, again! it failed, but this time a after i set up everything, it might be that i've scrweed up something lol
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[19:10] <nmc> ok, I see
[19:11] <nmc> thanks for the help! :)
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[19:11] <ChrisW> hi all! does ??test.h264 have audio? I got test_audio playing over hdmi, but still no sound from test_video...
[19:11] <nmc> bye
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[19:12] <fr0g911> hi all
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[19:16] <fr0g911> chris_99 im not fully sure about that file but you can do omxplayer -o hdmi -w -y (filename)
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[19:17] <aaa801> realy, isp's still block port 80 =/ ?, my isp comes with free webhosting :)
[19:19] <fr0g911> mine doesn't
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[19:20] <IT_Sean> I haven't tested my new ISP, but my connection is so slow i wouldn't bother.
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[19:22] <fr0g911> lol
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[19:28] <fr0g911> IT_Sean
[19:28] <fr0g911> http://www.firebind.com/page/S84134007310
[19:28] <fr0g911> test for blocked ports by your isp
[19:29] * IT_Sean isn't at home
[19:29] * fr0g911 waits for you to get home
[19:29] <fr0g911> wait thats kinda creapy
[19:29] <fr0g911> ;p
[19:29] <IT_Sean> Yeah, it is, actually.
[19:29] <IT_Sean> ...
[19:30] <fr0g911> im about to goto another jobsite aghh i just worked out and i have to work
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[19:35] <dmonjo> what is omx for raspberry
[19:39] <fr0g911> omxplayer ?
[19:42] <dmonjo> yea
[19:42] <dmonjo> reads h264?
[19:42] <dmonjo> uses the dcm onbnoard?
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[20:14] <cjdavies> Is the Edimax EW-7811UN considered the 'best' miniature wifi adaptor for rpi? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Edimax-EW-7811UN-Wireless-802-11b-150Mbps/dp/B003MTTJOY
[20:14] <cjdavies> as far as I can tell it should work 'out the box' with raspbian
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[20:16] <rymate1234> woo finally have a use for my RPi
[20:16] <rymate1234> !
[20:16] <dmonjo> can anyone assist me ? :/
[20:16] <dmonjo> http://pastie.org/6607113
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[20:17] * rymate1234 looks
[20:17] <rymate1234> dmonjo, "There may be a timestamping problem, or this computer is too slow.
[20:17] <rymate1234> "
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[20:17] <rymate1234> sounds like the rpi is too slow
[20:17] <dmonjo> hmmmm
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[20:18] <rymate1234> also yay my Pi is a print server
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[20:22] <eggy> one of mine is a openvpn server, as my router craps out when I try to configure it for openvpn.
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[20:37] <xunie-laptop> I just wanted to say that the first thing I'm doing on my permanent Raspbian installation is changing the hostname to "pinis"...
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[20:38] <IT_Sean> O_o
[20:39] <IT_Sean> is that supposed to mean something?
[20:39] <bacteu> it's a dick joke
[20:39] <IT_Sean> I thought as much.
[20:39] <IT_Sean> xunie-laptop: that's really not #raspberrypi appropriate.
[20:40] <bacteu> that's what happens when you market your product towards 13 year olds
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[20:41] <Gyrth> Hello.
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[20:41] <xunie-laptop> I was just kidding, IT_Sean. Sorry about the joke, won't happen again...
[20:41] <bacteu> don't worry about it xunie
[20:41] <Gyrth> Is it possible to use Volume Amplification on the raspberry pi with elec? I can't seem to find the option.
[20:42] <Gyrth> I need to equalize the load and soft noises a bit.
[20:42] <xunie-laptop> I'm running my Pi headless. Is it normal for me to have to unplug it when it reboots after a raspi-config?
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[20:43] <Gyrth> loud
[20:43] <bacteu> xunie-laptop: no
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[20:49] <Gyrth> I use the compressor in vlc to tone down the loud noises on my pc and I'm looking for a way to do this on the raspberry pi with XBMC.
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[20:50] <KiltedPi> Hey
[20:50] <KiltedPi> Anyone know if GPIO pins are diff from v2 pi from v1?
[20:50] <KiltedPi> SDA/SCL specifically
[20:50] <KiltedPi> I'm I2C'ing my pi to an integrated circuit
[20:51] <KiltedPi> I'm seeing GPIO 3 and 5 as my I2C fellers.
[20:53] <seba--> how would i change the params of fsck which occurs at boot?
[20:55] <dansan> Hey guys. I'm not sure if this is OT or not, but I'm designing a telescope control system using an RPi and I'm having a heck of a time coming up with a good optical position sensor system that's inexpensive, accurate and low-power. I was originally looking at the Vishay TCRT5000, but after reading the datasheet, it seems like a horrible power eater. Any suggestions?
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[20:56] <dansan> I'm investigating some options using an LED (reflecting off of a surface) and simple photoresistors now
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[20:59] <KiltedPi> dansan, my fellow mad scientist, i'm not sure what you mean by positioning system
[20:59] <KiltedPi> You mean the motorised system?
[20:59] <mgottschlag> dansan: did you think of running that sensor pulsed?
[20:59] <mgottschlag> or however one calls that
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[20:59] <dansan> KiltedPi: ahh, a position sensor -- it detects what your current ascention or rotation is
[20:59] <mgottschlag> switching it off 90% of the time
[20:59] <KiltedPi> kk!
[20:59] <KiltedPi> so an accelarometer, how accurate do you need it though?
[21:00] <dansan> mgottschlag: yeah, I did. But it has a 20ms power up time on the LED, I thought that was kinda high :(
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[21:00] <mgottschlag> well, how many samples per second do you need? :)
[21:00] <IT_Sean> For a telescope, i would imagine it would have to be "rather darn accurate"
[21:00] <KiltedPi> :)
[21:00] <KiltedPi> Telescope is 'folder 7' in my projects folders.
[21:00] <dansan> KiltedPi: well, that's up for debate. I think I'm going to combine it with a laser mouse that has very high sensitivity, but tends to loose accuracy -- so having some pattern and photosensors to keep it calibrated
[21:01] <KiltedPi> I'm on project 3 at the moment, a lightning sensor.
[21:01] <KiltedPi> Man. I don't even know how it would operate.
[21:01] <dansan> yeah, you need far more accuracy than a nice accelerometer can give you
[21:01] <KiltedPi> :/
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[21:01] <KiltedPi> What do the photosensors detect tho?
[21:01] <mgottschlag> if you only need it to regain accuracy from time to time, then enabling it once per second might work
[21:01] <KiltedPi> I don't get it :/
[21:02] <KiltedPi> background radiation or something?
[21:03] <mgottschlag> actually, I don't really understand it either how you want to use that sensor - after all, all it gives you is the distance from a mirror, and that doesn't even work to detect rotation
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[21:03] <dansan> So basically, my current plan is to use a cheap laser mouse, that detects very small movements very well, but looses precision over time. Then, have a pair of optical sensors against little bars, maybe a milimeter apart, creating a quadrangle releative position sensor (counting bars) and that's there to re-calibrate the mouse. I'm hoping the mouse will produce greater resolution than my 1mm bars
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[21:04] <dansan> mgottschlag: by using a little pattern
[21:04] <dansan> let me find an example
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[21:04] <dansan> err, "quadrature", not "quadrangle", sorry!
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[21:05] <KiltedPi> but software can always 'reset' to a safe position no?
[21:05] <KiltedPi> like, a 'safe' orientation?
[21:05] <KiltedPi> 0,0,0 or whatever
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[21:05] <KiltedPi> I dunno! new to optronics
[21:05] <dansan> KiltedPi: yeah, but you have to have a way to know that you're at 0,0,0 -- either that, i don't understand you :)
[21:05] <dansan> quadrature pattern: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Quadrature_Diagram.svg
[21:06] <dansan> mgottschlag: you may be right, that pulsing is the best way to go
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[21:07] <dansan> but seriuosly, these TCRT5000s -- 75mW each!! and that's just for the LED
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[21:07] <dansan> it's an IR LED/phototransistor combo package
[21:07] <mgottschlag> every LED usually uses something like that :)
[21:07] <dansan> :(
[21:07] <mgottschlag> well, a bit less, but still
[21:07] <pksato> dansan: what kind/size of telescope?
[21:07] <dansan> I want cheaper! :)
[21:08] <mgottschlag> of course you can build that package yourself
[21:08] <dansan> pksato: Well, this one is a 6", but being me, I want something that can be used on multiple telescope sizes & physical designs
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[21:09] <dansan> mgottschlag: probably a good idea too, since I'm considering another option where I have a small (3-bit) absolute position encoder on it as well, to reduce the amount of time it takes to calibrate at power-on (as well as check for position sensing errors during development)
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[21:10] <dansan> mgottschlag: So then I would have 5 total photo-sensors (resistor or transistor, not sure yet) -- they could probably share one LED
[21:10] <KiltedPi> Rasaz(*^*%"" Ff&())&(7()...... Got sent a different breakout board than the one I ordered!
[21:10] <dansan> KiltedPi: grrrrr!
[21:10] <KiltedPi> I just checked the datasheet, and it looked ENTIRELY different
[21:10] <dansan> nothing pisses me off more than crap like that, loL!!
[21:10] <KiltedPi> dansan: Words can NOT express
[21:10] <KiltedPi> !!!
[21:10] <dansan> Very sorry to hear it :(
[21:10] <KiltedPi> There! Punctuation must express my anger!
[21:10] <KiltedPi> !!!
[21:11] <KiltedPi> I've been bloody waiting NRASBAzxhbj\zhx
[21:11] * KiltedPi breathes deep
[21:11] * KiltedPi exhales
[21:11] <dansan> Not only do you get stress and disappointment, now you have to go through the trouble of trying to get them to correct it AND still have to wait longer :(
[21:11] <KiltedPi> Exactly.
[21:12] <dansan> The force is with it!!
[21:12] * dansan was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[21:12] <KiltedPi> Its a thermocouple to digital converter they've sent me.
[21:12] <KiltedPi> http://www.maximintegrated.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/7273
[21:12] <KiltedPi> That one there-
[21:13] <KiltedPi> I wanted a 'franklin' lightning sensor breakout board
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[21:14] * dansan promises not to cuss :)
[21:14] * dansan hopes he remembers too! :)
[21:15] <KiltedPi> Bought it from tindie
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[21:16] <dansan> mgottschlag: hmm, especially if I'm using a laser mouse, I'll know when we move, so I can just pulse the sensors at that time huh?
[21:16] <mgottschlag> probably
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[21:17] <dansan> anybody know how much power the average laser mouse uses in it's low and high power state? For example, i know that when you're mouse is still, I see the illuminator get dim and it pops back on when you move it.
[21:17] <dansan> err, does anybody know *off-hand*, that is
[21:17] <pksato> dansan: servos can not be used?
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[21:18] <dansan> pksato: not really. It would have to be a very large servo and have millions of steps
[21:18] <IT_Sean> dansan: that's going to vary greatly from one mouse to another
[21:18] <mgottschlag> hm, if I have an LED and the datasheet says "typical 3.2V" and "typical 80mA" (in this case it is LCD backlight), should I calculate the resistor for 80mA, or for something lower? what does "typical" mean in such a context? -.-
[21:18] <dansan> IT_Sean: yeah, and I'm wanting cheap on top of that.. I guess I have more reading to do
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[21:19] <mgottschlag> the USB standard has limits on low-power power consumption
[21:19] <pksato> servos are linear. and and be unpowered if in position.
[21:19] <mgottschlag> (I think)
[21:19] <dansan> mgottschlag: I think it's just that -- the typical usage. It's usually a good way below the absolute max and you probably will want to give it exactly that much current
[21:20] <dansan> pksato: but how accurately can you control the position of it?
[21:20] <dansan> pksato: I guess I haven't used servos before
[21:21] <pksato> or, use a spare encoder and motor.
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[21:23] <pksato> but, precision encoder have a high cost.
[21:23] <dansan> pksato: Well, our current design isn't using any gears to connect the rotation of the motors to the physical device -- we're using soft rubber wheels. This means that even if we count steps of a stepper motor, we still cannot be assured of the position. Thus, even if we hooked up a rotory encoder, it still isn't garunteed to be accurate, so we're making our own encoder
[21:24] <dansan> pksato: yeah that too, it would have to be one of those multi-turn ones (I forget what those are called) which are even more expensive
[21:25] <pksato> you need a encoder connected do telescope axy.
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[21:25] * KiltedPi is gutted
[21:25] <KiltedPi> :/
[21:25] <pksato> and, mouse sensors are relative.
[21:26] <dansan> pksato: yeah, my current plan is to attach a pattern thingie to the rotating part and then use optical sensors to read the position
[21:26] <dansan> It's kinda wierd, I'm thinking a relative/absolute hybrid, but the absolute part is just to reduce power-on calibration time and also for error checking (make sure we didn't count wrong)
[21:28] <dansan> hmmm, maybe I can factor out the laser mouse by just learning aproximately how many stepper motor steps occur inbetween changes in the relative part of the position sensor... hmmm
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[21:28] <pksato> but, optical sensor can be used to read a encoder partern.
[21:28] <pksato> optical mouse sensor.
[21:28] <dansan> yeah
[21:28] <dansan> Oh
[21:28] <dansan> hmmmmmmmmmm
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[21:28] <dansan> That could be interesting
[21:29] <pksato> but, need to be a old mouse sensor.
[21:29] <dansan> please do go on :)
[21:29] <dansan> any particular devices you're thinking of? :)
[21:29] * dansan drools on his keyboard
[21:30] <dansan> whoops
[21:30] * dansan cleans his keyboard
[21:30] <pksato> actual optical mouse sensors are a SoC.
[21:30] <dansan> really?
[21:30] <dansan> wow!
[21:30] <dansan> I guess that makes sense, it has to do image recognition and such
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[21:30] <Toothpick> how did you think it was working ?\
[21:31] <pksato> early optical mouse use a two chip, a sensor (ccd like) and a control chip.
[21:31] <pksato> a sensor are a 32x32 cmos image sensor.
[21:31] <dansan> hmm, so one could simply use the CCD-like chip and process it as needed with a pic or directly from the RPi huh?
[21:32] <pksato> http://spritesmods.com/?art=mouseeye
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[21:32] <pksato> http://www.bidouille.org/hack/mousecam
[21:32] <dansan> fun!
[21:34] <dansan> So I guess newer laser mice use a single chip that has both the PIC and the camera device on it then?
[21:34] <pksato> print some partern (curved triangle) on some wheel and captura a snapshot, and compute position.
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[21:35] <dansan> So 32x32, roughly what size of an area is that (and thus, the DPI)?
[21:35] <dmonjo> anyone using webcam with RPi ?
[21:36] <pksato> dansan: depend of lens on from the sensor.
[21:36] <dansan> ahh, that's right
[21:37] <pksato> text on link say 18x18.
[21:38] <dansan> The cool thing is that with a 32 pixel width, I can put my absolute position by using only a small part of that -- of course, it will only give the "region", but that way the telescope doesn't have to go all the way to zero degrees at start up to get calibrated -- it just finds the nearest transition from one absolute reading to another.
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[21:39] <dansan> thank you pksato, this is very helpful
[21:39] <pksato> and, old mouse can be found on dump.
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[21:40] <dansan> yeah, I'll need at least four of them to start, since we're building two
[21:40] <dansan> I think this may work very well
[21:40] <dmonjo> anyone using webcam with RPi ?
[21:40] <dansan> sorry, I haven't even gotten my RPi yet dmonjo :( Still waiting
[21:41] <dansan> dmonjo: are you using USB? I read somewhere that there's some type of camera connector on the RPi, but I could never find more details on it
[21:41] <pksato> dmonjo: lots of people are using webcams on RPi.
[21:41] <IT_Sean> dansan: there is a camera coming out for the CSI connector, but it is not yet released.
[21:42] <dansan> IT_Sean: oh, cool! :)
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[21:42] <dmonjo> dansan: camra connector?>\
[21:42] <dmonjo> whats that?
[21:42] <dmonjo> it is a USB
[21:42] <dansan> dmonjo: what IT_Sean just said
[21:43] <dansan> dmonjo: what problem are you having?
[21:43] <IT_Sean> The camera the foundation is putting out will use the CSI connector, which is one of the small ribbon connectors near the middle of the board. It is a direct interface to the SoC.
[21:43] <dansan> nice
[21:43] <dmonjo> IT_Sean: i am using OMX n gstreamer to try to get my webcam to show local video, it is dropping lot of frames and barely showing some pictures
[21:43] <dmonjo> any ideas what i can use to get it working?
[21:43] <dmonjo> i think it is fully using the cpu and not the dcm chip
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[21:44] <dmonjo> http://pastie.org/6608187
[21:44] <dmonjo> this is the log
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[21:46] <dansan> what is the dcm chip?
[21:46] <dmonjo> omx
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[21:47] <dansan> lol, what's omx?
[21:47] <dmonjo> dcm
[21:47] <dansan> lol! what's an infinite loop?
[21:47] <dmonjo> hehe
[21:48] <dmonjo> its a small Chip on the SOC
[21:48] <bertrik> see infinite loop
[21:48] <dansan> lmao! good one bertrtik
[21:48] <dansan> gotcha
[21:48] <dansan> Well, w/o knowing the OS, I would guess that gstreamer has to support it, and I can see that there is support for it, so is that support being used?
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[21:51] <pksato> I know BCM, the prefix of Broadcom SoC used on RPi. but, dcm...
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[21:52] <dansan> dmonjo: add -v to your gst-launch-1.0 and post that output (not that I can solve your problem mind you :)
[21:53] <dansan> dmonjo: You can also use --gst-plugin-spew to see if the dcm plugin is choking (or maybe it's just not getting loaded)
[21:53] <dmonjo> dansan: http://pastie.org/6608356
[21:53] <dansan> dmonjo: also, what's your GST_PLUGIN_PATH set to
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[21:54] <dmonjo> dansan: env variables: http://pastie.org/6608361
[21:54] <dansan> oh, you got all that
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[21:58] <dansan> dmonjo: just for grins, try adding sync=false
[21:58] <dmonjo> dansan: any idea?
[21:58] <dmonjo> yea tried that
[21:59] <dansan> hmm
[21:59] <dmonjo> should i be able to see like a video?
[21:59] <dmonjo> or only jpegs
[21:59] <dmonjo> like continuous jpegs
[21:59] <dmonjo> coz now it looks like it is taking a burst of jpegs delayed in time
[21:59] <dansan> yeah, but I'm curious if it's rendering (output) or the actual input
[21:59] <dansan> if you use fakesrc and it still has the problem, it's display
[21:59] <dmonjo> maybe the power for the webcam is a bit low?
[22:00] <dmonjo> i am plugging it directly into the usb port
[22:00] <dmonjo> of the Pi
[22:00] <dansan> hmm, interesting
[22:00] <dansan> what type of power supply for your pi do you have?
[22:00] <dmonjo> the standard one that shipped
[22:01] <dansan> oh, the 1A one?
[22:01] <dmonjo> european
[22:01] <dmonjo> yep
[22:01] <dansan> also, use the -v again and instead of sending it to xvimagesink, you can use fakesink to see if the hold-up is there
[22:02] <dansan> you wont see anything, but it should still display the warnings if it's dropping frames
[22:03] <dmonjo> http://pastie.org/6608453
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[22:03] <dansan> lol!
[22:03] <dansan> that's not helpful! ::?)
[22:04] <dmonjo> didnt get it :)
[22:04] <dansan> oh, I think I told you wrong (reading man page)
[22:05] <dansan> I think you have to manually specify buffers when using fakesink: gst-launch -v v4l2src num-buffers=16 ! fakesink
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[22:07] <dmonjo> gst-launch -v v4l2src device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=16 ! queue ! videoconvert ! akesink
[22:07] <dmonjo> ERROR: pipeline could not be constructed: no element "v4l2src"
[22:07] <dansan> I need to find my camera and test it
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[22:10] <dansan> dmonjo: sorry, not sure what I did with my camera, but check out the diagnostics section of the man page for gst-launch
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[22:10] <dansan> or gst-launch-1.0, which ever you have
[22:11] <dmonjo> dansan: my question is
[22:11] <dmonjo> can you get a good video output from rpi?
[22:11] <dmonjo> did anyone do it?
[22:11] <dmonjo> or only slow pictures
[22:11] <dansan> also, you're at 640x480, you may want to try a lower resolution
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[22:13] <vjacob> Hello. Any ideas why I would be getting "wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start" on the latest Wheezy release?
[22:14] <dansan> vjacob: anything in /var/log/messages? or /var/log/daemon.log?
[22:15] <vjacob> thanks. for one reason or another I didn't think of looking in daemon.log of all logs
[22:15] <vjacob> Invalid passphrase length 64 :)
[22:15] <dmonjo> dansan:http://pastie.org/6608707
[22:16] <dansan> dmonjo :(
[22:17] <dmonjo> do you know someone who had it working flawlessly?
[22:17] <dansan> vjacob: np, at least I was able to help somebody today
[22:17] <dmonjo> or only pic by pic ?
[22:17] <vjacob> dansan: much appreciated. :)
[22:17] <dansan> dmonjo: sorry, I don't even have mine yet
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[22:18] <vjacob> if I use the composite cable to connect the Pi to a large screen TV with only the yellow connector cable (no red/white), I won't have any audio, right?
[22:18] <pksato> this works for me, but, not is on rpi. gst-launch -v v4l2src device=/dev/video1 ! xvimagesink
[22:18] <plugwash> right
[22:18] <dansan> dmonjo: but I thought there's usually a way you can tell a camera to transmit in another resolution instead of just scaling it on the computer
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[22:18] <vjacob> plugwash, was that to me or someone else? :)
[22:19] <plugwash> vjacob, you
[22:19] <seba--> f8l, maybe i have figured it out
[22:19] <vjacob> thx
[22:19] <plugwash> for analog audio to a TV you would want a 3.5mm stereo to dual phono cable or adaptor
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[22:20] <seba--> f8l, /etc/default/rcS FSCFIX was comented
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[22:20] <seba--> f8l, and it probably hanged when i restarted
[22:20] <vjacob> plugwash: so in other words I'm getting the audio out off the Pi using the minijack and connecting next to the composite input on the TV using a red/white audio jack?
[22:20] <plugwash> right
[22:20] <vjacob> cool. cheers!
[22:20] <vjacob> I guess I can do with a headphone for now :)
[22:21] <KiltedPi> Anyone free for a wee chat on SPI interfacing?
[22:22] <KiltedPi> I might as well muck about with my temperature sensor.
[22:22] <vjacob> any of you try running 'motion' with a webcam using the Pi?
[22:22] <vjacob> (for motion/intrusion detection)
[22:23] <KiltedPi> vjacob, patience is a virtue with cam stuff for the pi i think...
[22:23] <vjacob> it's one of my favorite apps for linux
[22:23] <KiltedPi> They are releasing betas of a new camera module-
[22:23] <KiltedPi> as we speak :)
[22:23] <vjacob> awesome.
[22:23] <KiltedPi> once the camera module/DSI stuff is done, I'm doing a wildlife project
[22:23] <KiltedPi> ;0)
[22:23] <vjacob> hehe
[22:24] <KiltedPi> I've some links/URL's for motion sensor stuff with the pi tho.
[22:24] <vjacob> I'm sure the Pi could go many places (in nature)
[22:24] <KiltedPi> Want 'em?
[22:24] <vjacob> sure
[22:24] <vjacob> send me a notice
[22:24] <KiltedPi> one sec
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[22:24] <vjacob> or query :)
[22:25] <KiltedPi> Here ya go- Other people might be interested- http://whitehandkerchief.co.uk/blog/?p=109
[22:25] <vjacob> splendid, aye...
[22:25] <KiltedPi> Thats a link for a guy whos made some headway with motion sensors
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[22:25] <KiltedPi> Whats your background vjacob?
[22:25] <KiltedPi> Just a fellow 'mad scientist'? :)
[22:26] <vjacob> nah, just finishing up grad studies. i'm not really doing much yet
[22:26] <vjacob> still learning computer science
[22:26] <KiltedPi> I'm kinda in the same boat. Finishing my CISCO and microsoft qualifiactions
[22:27] <vjacob> motion detection seems an exciting field. someone I know who just came home from CEBIT tells me that eye sensing/motion detection is getting a lot of attention in industry now
[22:27] <KiltedPi> you UK based?
[22:27] <vjacob> nah, Denmark
[22:27] <KiltedPi> My friend programs for a cool company here in Scotland that are doing exciting things in that field
[22:28] <vjacob> what's the company (if you can say)?
[22:28] <KiltedPi> http://www.digitalbarriers.com/
[22:28] <KiltedPi> I think its okay to say that much. Its military tho I suspect :)
[22:28] <vjacob> cool, might look for work in the UK in the future, not sure about military, depends I guess :)
[22:28] <KiltedPi> He told me they still use windows 98 if you can believe such a thing
[22:28] <vjacob> hehe
[22:29] <KiltedPi> :D
[22:29] <KiltedPi> They're looking for software devs
[22:29] <KiltedPi> Check it out tho, sure
[22:29] <vjacob> well, I stopped being surprised by BSOD screens showing ever so often
[22:29] <vjacob> cool.
[22:29] <vjacob> I added you to my notice list, perhaps we'll chat more, gotta finish up my Pi stuff for tday. time for some code :)
[22:30] <dmonjo> anyone could get such video capture?!
[22:30] <dmonjo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N7kgtL0-Ts
[22:30] <KiltedPi> Sure thing!
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[22:33] <dansan> dmonjo: wow, that video is impressive!
[22:34] <dansan> dmonjo: did you ever do the --gst-plugin-spew to make sure that your omx plugin was actually being used?
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[22:34] <dmonjo> deost show anything
[22:35] <dansan> :(
[22:35] <KiltedPi> It can't use the DSI interface tho-
[22:35] <KiltedPi> on the pi, if I'm not mistaken?
[22:35] <KiltedPi> They are still working that out on the pi, no
[22:35] <KiltedPi> ?
[22:35] <dansan> yeah, I believe do
[22:35] <KiltedPi> sweet
[22:36] <KiltedPi> That might be the module they are developing
[22:36] <dmonjo> dansan: gst-launch-1.0 --gst-plugin-spew v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! queue ! videoconvert ! ximagesink
[22:36] <dmonjo> you mean this?
[22:36] <dansan> yeah
[22:37] <KiltedPi> How does SPI work, just in general?
[22:37] <KiltedPi> For a newbie :)
[22:37] <KiltedPi> I wanted to PM someone.-
[22:37] <KiltedPi> Is there a clock and a data interface-
[22:37] <KiltedPi> like I2C?
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[22:39] <dansan> KiltedPi: I've never used it :) But I believe it's like USB, except that everybody who's chip select isn't on just ignores
[22:39] <dansan> master/ multiple slaves
[22:39] <chod> there is example code
[22:39] <dansan> or I think you can daisy chain too
[22:39] <KiltedPi> I've got two interfaces=
[22:39] <KiltedPi> an SCK and SO
[22:40] <KiltedPi> on this wee chip, dead simple thermometer circuit
[22:40] <dansan> w00t! I didn't actually lie to you! :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Peripheral_Interface_Bus
[22:40] <KiltedPi> Anyone got a good URL?
[22:40] <KiltedPi> For a beginner?
[22:40] <dansan> What I'm curious about is if the SPI drivers in the kernel can do any of this work for us
[22:40] <dansan> I haven't gotten to that point just yet
[22:40] <KiltedPi> something more relative to the pi tho-
[22:41] <KiltedPi> the wiki'll be a bit 'too' in depth
[22:41] <chod> there are the gpio commands in wiringPi
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> evening.
[22:41] <chod> that i believe will control it, just figuring out commands
[22:41] <chod> this gent knows
[22:41] <chod> evening gordonDrogon
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/understanding-spi-on-the-raspberry-pi/
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[22:42] <chod> was there and example of basic use in gpio commads
[22:42] <chod> commands
[22:43] <KiltedPi> thnx!
[22:43] <KiltedPi> Thats cracking
[22:43] <chod> i was looking at the wiringPi stress test
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> the gpio command can only really load the SPI kernel driver.
[22:43] <chod> .c
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[22:43] <gordonDrogon> it can read the Gertboard A/D and write the D/A chips via SPI though.
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> chod, ah yes.
[22:44] <chod> puzzled, where do i put the addresses of the chips?
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[22:44] <chod> the setup line i am guessing
[22:45] <dansan> dmonjo: dunnno if lthis will help or not: https://sites.google.com/site/davidemadrisan/linux-embedded#TOC-Video-with-OpenMAX
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> chod, in that stress test one chip is I2C and one is SPI (and 2 are shift registers)
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> chod, what chip's address are you thinking of?
[22:45] <chod> the 23s17's that are on this board
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> there's only one 23s17 on the board I used for the stress test.
[22:46] <dmonjo> dansan: thats my config
[22:46] <dansan> ahh, darn
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> mcp23s17Setup (BASE_SPI, 0, 0) ;
[22:46] <chod> thats a start
[22:46] <chod> ic
[22:46] <chod> 1st value , 2nd value ?
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> that says to install the mcp23s17 with a pin address of BASE_SPI (123), on spi channel 0 with chip address 0
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> the Pi has 2 SPI channels.
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> 0 and 1.
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> and the chip address can be from 0 to 7.
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> the chip address is set with 3 jumper links you need to connect to the chip. it's the same for the I2C version.
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> So you can have up to 8 of these chips on the same I2C bus or the same SPI bus.
[22:48] <chod> ok
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[22:49] <chod> can they be detected ?
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> so if you were desperate for the GPIO's have 16 of them on the SPI and 8 on the I2C = 384 more GPIO pins!
[22:49] <KiltedPi> so! gordon, I've a chip i'm interfacing- will I only need the SCK and SO pins connected to my Raspberry?
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> detecting on I2C is easy, not easy on SPI.
[22:49] <KiltedPi> I am learning this, yes
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, if you are only ever writing to it, yes.
[22:49] <KiltedPi> I2C seemed a lot easier
[22:49] <KiltedPi> Yeah! Its a thermocouple resistor
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> I2C has more protocoll associated with it.
[22:49] <KiltedPi> So, outputting temperature
[22:49] <KiltedPi> through SPI
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[22:50] <KiltedPi> you mention it can be three pins?
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, er - you usually have to send a command to it then read data back from it - so you'll need 3 pins, then you also need the chip enable pin.
[22:50] <KiltedPi> In your wee blog
[22:50] <KiltedPi> Roger that
[22:50] <KiltedPi> Is that the 'CS' pin as well?
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> keep reading: and a fourth wire to act as a ?chip select? signal. Because of this, it?s sometimes called a 4-wire bus.
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> yes. the Pi has 2 CS pins.
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> Sometimes called CE (chip enable)
[22:51] <[Saint]> Whoah - quassel really hates a few of those chars here.
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[22:52] <dansan> Hey guys, looks like somebody just submitted a new SPI driver for the RPi: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.rpi/290
[22:52] <[Saint]> "to act as a <square>chip"..."of this, it<hexagon>s"...:)
[22:52] <dansan> not sure if this is using any of the GPIO lines or some other SPI-dedicated lines coming out of the BMC2835
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[22:53] <KiltedPi> thats so counter intuitive. heh.
[22:54] <KiltedPi> You have to send a byte to read a byte!
[22:54] <KiltedPi> :S
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[22:54] <dansan> lol!
[22:55] <dansan> KiltedPi: doesn't that depend upon the device you're talking to? or is SPI one of those "bit pump" types of interfaces?
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> you need to wiggle the clock pin to read data and the easiest way to do that is to send data
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[22:57] <gordonDrogon> you can actually ask it to read 8 bits of data - at while point it will send out 8 bits of data...
[22:57] <dansan> ahh, ic
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> so basically for each clock, one bit goes out and one bit comes in.
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> some devices actually use the clock for their own uses - e.g. some ADCs... So you clock out 16 bits - the first 4 bits would specify the channel (for example), then you clock out 12 more bits and read in at the same time and read in the 12 bits of the sample (sort of thing)
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> the extra bits clocked out get ignored by the device.
[22:59] <dansan> so if you have devices that can dasiy chain and take data input and have a "latch", you can just use the chip select as the latch line (perhaps)
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> the select/enable pin often acts as a 'reset' line into the target chip - so it goes low, the chip resets/wakes up, then it starts to listen to the clock and read/write data.
[22:59] <dansan> yeah
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> when the select line is high, all devices should be high impedance.
[22:59] <dansan> yeah
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> so you can have as many devices as you have select lines - 2 on the Pi.
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[23:00] <dansan> otherwise, they would chatter over eachother, and that really sucks ;(
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> some devices have their own sub-addressing though - e.g. the 23s17.
[23:00] <KiltedPi> How will I know what they connect to on the GPIO tho?
[23:00] <KiltedPi> Sounds obvious rly
[23:00] <KiltedPi> Heres a datasheet, for anyone curious: http://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/MAX31855.pdf
[23:00] <KiltedPi> Its a thermometer essentially! :/
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> that's a trivial device - ought to be easy to use.
[23:01] <dmonjo> anyone using gstreamer/
[23:01] <KiltedPi> I'm not finding the datasheet very good, just the section on interfacing
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> So you can ignore the MOSI pin, as it doesn't take data from the Pi.
[23:01] <dansan> KiltedPi: I believe that you just connect it to whatever GPIO lines you choose
[23:01] <KiltedPi> So I'm going with a three pin setup?
[23:01] <KiltedPi> I've got SCK, SO, and a CS
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[23:01] <dansan> KiltedPi: it doesn't take input, so no need to give it input :)
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> you clock 4 bytes out and it reads 4 bytes in.
[23:02] <KiltedPi> I suppose it seems obv dansan, i'm a newb tho @_@
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> you then decode those 4 byes/32 bits.
[23:02] <dansan> np!
[23:02] <dansan> KiltedPi: In many ways, I am too. I haven't done embedded in a looong time
[23:02] <KiltedPi> whats a suitable pin on the GPIO to go with then?
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> you have to read page 9.
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[23:03] <dansan> KiltedPi: You'll need three of them, two for output and one for input
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> yes, use the SPI pins!
[23:03] <KiltedPi> lol!
[23:03] <KiltedPi> heh
[23:03] <dansan> KiltedPi: oops, listen to gordonDrogon :)
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[23:04] <KiltedPi> I always do dansan!
[23:04] <satellit_e> FYI have fedora 18 and sugar-desktop working on the Rpi http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/ARM_RPi#40px.7Clink.3Dhttp:.2F.2Ffedoraproject.org.2F_Test_report_rpfr-f18-final.img
[23:04] <dansan> sorry, I gave you bad advice, but at least it was free!
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> dansan, always worth what's paid for it :)
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[23:05] <dansan> gordonDrogon: lol! yup! :)
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, connect the Pi's CE0, SCLK and MISO pins to the device.
[23:05] <pc> Can anyone recommend a "kit" for those who don't feel like hunting down a case, power supply, etc...?
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> pc, might depend on what country you're in.
[23:06] <KiltedPi> kk!
[23:06] <dansan> gordonDrogon: I always say that free advice is never worth the price :)
[23:06] <pc> gordonDrogon: - USA
[23:06] <KiltedPi> I wasn't sure about the CS fellow-
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> pc, adafruit? (I'm in the UK)
[23:06] <KiltedPi> but CE0 is just another way of saying it.
[23:06] <pc> gordonDrogon: - Thank you.
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[23:06] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, yes, CE0 and CE1 are the Pi's two CPI chip enables..
[23:07] <KiltedPi> Right! thnks dudes
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[23:07] <gordonDrogon> that's a neat little chip. might even look at it myself for a project although I'll need to check the themocouples I'm using.
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[23:10] <KiltedPi> $17 gordon
[23:10] <KiltedPi> not bad, and because its using SPI, I can use the I2C for my geiger counter :)
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> probably the same in ?
[23:11] <KiltedPi> When I put the thing into near space! :)
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[23:11] <KiltedPi> Project folder 4, weather balloon!
[23:11] <KiltedPi> right. nite chaps
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[23:13] <pksato> Put MAX31855 on my sample request list to maxin-ic. :)
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[23:22] <Twist-> pc: you do realize this thing runs off USB power?
[23:22] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[23:23] <pc> Twist-: - Yeah, so at bare minimum it's probably buying a case, the device, surplus cell phone charger off ebay, etc...
[23:23] <Twist-> I guess if you're going for lowest possible cost.
[23:23] <pc> I figured there mgiht be some options out there to get it all as a kit anyways.
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[23:24] <Twist-> Not that I've seen. But you can certainly order all that from a single company.
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[23:25] <slashflame> hi guys, i am having an issue with my raspi. firstly, when i used startx today it booted to a blank desktop, after i switched to root user. i switched to root because when i tried it as user pi, it gave me some strange error i've never seen before. any ideas?
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[23:26] <chod> if you startx x as root you will get roots settings
[23:26] <chod> i guess default
[23:27] <slashflame> root
[23:27] <slashflame> hmm
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[23:27] <slashflame> so why did it fail today as the pi user
[23:27] <slashflame> was fine yesterday
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[23:30] <slashflame> chod: "Fatal server error: Failed to activate core devices. Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file."
[23:30] <slashflame> but then it works if i sudo su
[23:30] <chod> did an update fail?
[23:31] <chod> what have you recently altered?
[23:32] <slashflame> recently i installed a bunch of stuff, apache2 mysql php5
[23:32] <slashflame> i could try updating the pi, what's the cmd for that
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[23:33] <slashflame> actually, first there is a more pressing issue before i can install updates: raspi won't connect to a network with no security that discriminates by MAC address, even though i put the pi's MAC address in the router settings and gave it a static ip
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[23:38] <chod> od
[23:38] <chod> d
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[23:38] <chod> is there any thing on it you need ?
[23:38] <chod> get a fresh sd and start again
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[23:45] <chod> erm i really dont understand c errors
[23:45] <Kubius> umm
[23:45] <Kubius> this may be an embarrassing question
[23:45] <Kubius> but how do I find out if my raspberry pi is revision one or revision two
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[23:46] <Kubius> anyone?
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[23:47] <RiXtEr> Kubius, I don't have mine infront of me, but I thought it said under the logo on the board itsefl
[23:47] <RiXtEr> Revision A or Revision B
[23:47] <Kubius> I don't either, but thanks for the advice
[23:47] <Kubius> lol
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[23:47] <RiXtEr> wow.
[23:47] <chod> whats on it
[23:48] <RiXtEr> was going to tell him to type free in a console..
[23:48] <chod> does it have fuses
[23:48] <RiXtEr> I truely hate it when people quit right after getting an answer they don't want.
[23:48] <chod> erm
[23:48] * slashflame (4a407fc3@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[23:48] * chod nods
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[23:49] <dansan> question: What's the difference (roughly) in power consumption between the RPi's CPU burning and runing idle?
[23:50] <dansan> I guess I just need to look at the ARM1176JZF-S datasheet?
[23:51] <chod> put an ammeter in the power line
[23:51] <dansan> I don't have my pi yet
[23:51] <chithead> there is not much difference. much larger difference comes from the voltage which you apply to the soc
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[23:52] <chod> i could splice out a usb lead
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[23:52] <chod> i guess the hdmi settings could affect power
[23:52] <dansan> chithead: hey there chithead, I know you from either #gentoo or @wine-hackers, I forget which
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[23:53] <laderius> hello :)
[23:53] <chithead> I don't use wine
[23:53] <dansan> lol!, I guess #gentoo :)
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[23:53] <chod> #wine-hackers sounds intresting
[23:53] <dansan> yeah, it's where the wine developers hang out and put you down
[23:53] <dansan> jk, they aren't that bad :)
[23:54] <laderius> anyone use playon?
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[23:54] <ParkerR> laderius, Yeah on my computer
[23:54] <dansan> laderius: the only reason I don't use playonlinux is because it doesn't let you build your own wine -- I can't have that
[23:54] <laderius> ParkerR, playon or playonlinux
[23:54] <ParkerR> dansan, PLayon lets you select a wine build
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[23:54] <ParkerR> Well playinlinux from what I remember
[23:55] <dansan> chithead: OK, so if I want a device where I query it very often, there's not much use in using a separate PIC for that to save power eh?
[23:55] <ParkerR> *playonlinux
[23:55] <dansan> ParkerR: a locally built on?
[23:55] <laderius> i was interested in that streaming service
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[23:55] <laderius> http://www.playon.tv/playon/?rsrc=playon-ggl2
[23:55] <ParkerR> dansan, I think so. I swear it asked for the path to wine (if you didnt want to use the system installed)
[23:55] <laderius> ppl use it to get netflix in xbmc on pi
[23:56] <dansan> hmm, I'll have to look into it again
[23:56] <chithead> if you want to save power, you can undervolt your pi. if you want to save more power, you need to replace the vrm with a more efficient type
[23:56] <ParkerR> Oh PLayon is different
[23:56] <ParkerR> Neat
[23:56] <dansan> vrm>
[23:56] <dansan> ?
[23:56] <dansan> oh, voltage regulator
[23:56] <laderius> i was trying to find out if it would act as an audio passthru device so i can stream to a monitor w/o hdmi
[23:57] <dansan> My bro and I are going to use a cute little used system :)
[23:57] <dansan> let me find the link
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[23:57] <chithead> the pi uses a linear voltage regulator I think. some users on the forums have replaced it with a switching regulator
[23:57] <dansan> These KIS3R33S from china, a ton of them came off of something recently and they are cheap
[23:58] <dansan> chithead: that sucks! thanks for the heads up!
[23:58] <chithead> also you can remove the LEDs and save about 10mA each
[23:58] <dansan> chithead: is this for the 3.3v?
[23:59] <chithead> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=12387
[23:59] <dansan> If so, this would be a plus for me because I need 3.3v for something else and I can use a more powerful switching psu
[23:59] <dansan> ty!

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