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IRC Log for 2013-03-20

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[0:05] <eggy> heh, yep. This sd card is done.
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[0:06] <chithead> no, I mean ata discard
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[0:14] <JohannesG> anyone here with experience running ZNC on the RPI (Raspbian) and setting up either mail scripts or growl connections for notifications about PM's and such while away?
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[0:17] <pengol> hi there I tryed to use rasp-config to increase the partition size on the sd card but I can only get a 4gb filesystem and the card is 16gb. Any clue?
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[0:20] <Ben64> try a linux computer with gparted
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[0:33] <pengol> Ben64: I have a try
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[0:34] <Gumby> hi all, I'm seeing almost 100% card failure rate running arch linux on about 20 pis. I'm using 4GB Kingston SD4 cards and have a 2GB / partition. I'm only playing mp3s on the pi and running a few scripts that use wget to ping a server. Log files were being written however I have just changed /var/log/ to tmpfs.
[0:34] <Gumby> Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the cards might be dying after just two weeks?
[0:34] <seba--> Gumby, explain
[0:34] <seba--> Gumby, how do you know it's failing
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[0:35] <Gumby> seba--: well, the pi is not useable with the cards, and then when I plug the cards into my laptop I see I/O errors and I can not even use dd to create an image of the card
[0:35] <seba--> oh
[0:36] <seba--> i thought you have the same problem as me
[0:36] <satellit_e> I notice that cards can get hot if written to rapidly - In my i7 Intel SD slot. It seems to make them fail
[0:36] <ParkerR> Gumby, Are you overclocked at all?
[0:36] <seba--> i had I/O errors, but i've solved by setting fsck at every boot + /etc/default/rcS to FSCFIX=YES
[0:36] <Gumby> ParkerR: no, I am not (unless arch overclocks by default)
[0:37] <pksato> counterfeit Kingston SD card?
[0:37] <ParkerR> cat /boot/config.txt | grep arm_freq
[0:37] <Gumby> ParkerR: I could if I was able to boot :)
[0:37] <ParkerR> Oh heh
[0:37] <ParkerR> Forgot
[0:38] <Gumby> although, I do have a base image here. I can mount it and find out
[0:38] <Gumby> one sec
[0:38] <satellit_e> thes are Lexar 8GB SDHC UHS-I class 6 cards here
[0:39] <[Saint]> Oy... what's boot like on a class 6 card?
[0:39] <[Saint]> I sometimes want to tear my hair out waiting for a class 10 card.
[0:40] <[Saint]> and one of the class 10 cards I have is a mutant super-freak machine of reading and writing death.
[0:40] <satellit_e> works fine on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/ARM_RPi#Test_report_rpfr-f18-final.img with B 512 RPi
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[0:41] <[Saint]> Oh dear - its 1990 again.
[0:41] <satellit_e> diskutiliy make diskimage /restore image function is too fast and heats them up to failure
[0:41] <[Saint]> websites that mess with the mouse cursor. Cute.
[0:42] <satellit_e> we support the XO OLPC
[0:42] <satellit_e> for education for kids w small screens
[0:44] <[Saint]> I have mine booting in ~12 seconds, not too bad, but I still find it excruciating to sit through.
[0:45] <satellit_e> yes It is slow but usable
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[0:46] <satellit_e> I se up with 1024 swap on card on that test
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[0:47] <[Saint]> A friend of mine was having read/write speed issues, and I tried poking around a bit - and it seemed as though the sdcard was failing.
[0:47] <[Saint]> But it was a very weird kludge of micro->mini->SD adapters. :)
[0:47] <Gumby> ParkerR: no overclock found in config.txt
[0:48] <satellit_e> I prefer the Ultra sandisk class 10 64GB (30MB/s claimed) they seem to last
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[0:51] <Gadgetoid> Re-wrote my microprocessor from the ground up in Logisim, now successfully running my basic test, whee!
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[0:55] <[Saint]> satellit_e: I have an extreme pro microsd with a freakish read speed (110-112MB/s) that I use in one of mine. Just don't buy direct from SanDisk :)
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[0:56] <bacteu> I refuse to believe you get 112MB/s read speeds from a microsd card
[0:56] <[Saint]> the rated speed for the card is 95MB/s
[0:57] <Ben64> I doubt the pi can go that high
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[0:58] <[Saint]> Almost certainly not.
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[0:59] <Gumby> I'm using a power supply that I bought along with the pis from Newark/Element14. Is there any reason to suspect that the PSU might be part of the cause for my high rate of SD card corruption?
[0:59] <bacteu> no
[1:00] <seba--> Gumby, measure the voltage coming out
[1:00] <Ben64> bust out the multimeter and check voltage on the test points
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[1:00] <seba--> Gumby, maybe you have dips in voltage
[1:00] <Ben64> also, use better sd cards
[1:00] <seba--> that may cause failure
[1:00] <pengol> Ben64: it worked thanks!
[1:00] <Ben64> pengol: :D
[1:01] <Blueness|> what brand/model is the sd card?
[1:01] <Gumby> Kingston SD4 (4GB)
[1:01] <pengol> sony sdhc
[1:01] <pengol> ops :) sorry
[1:02] <Gumby> it may just be that the cards are crappy. after two weeks 18/20 are all but dead
[1:02] <Blueness|> yea
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[1:02] <Blueness|> some cards are hit or miss
[1:02] <Gumby> they are playing mp3s using mpd 24/7
[1:03] <Gumby> and that is about it
[1:03] <Gumby> only thing really being written is /var/log and perhaps new media being uploaded at most twice
[1:03] <aaa801> anyone had issues with dgen not outputting sound
[1:03] <bacteu> Gumby: lots of people got corrupted cards with the turbo overclock
[1:03] <Gumby> bacteu: no o/s here
[1:03] <Gumby> o/c
[1:04] <satellit_e> Gumby: I use a powered USB Hub for keyboard and mouse....less strain on RPi power
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[1:04] <Blueness|> corruption only happens during a write which is strange
[1:04] <Blueness|> if you're not writing
[1:04] <Blueness|> it has to be a hardware issue with the card itself
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[1:05] <Gumby> satellit_e: not really an option in my case. These pis are being sent out as media devices that plug into existing phone systems. They play the on-hold music and are internet connected to they can pull in new media when it is available
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[1:05] <Blueness|> i've got a good track record with samsung and amazon branded microsd cards though that may not mean much
[1:06] <Gumby> so all that is being done is reading mp3 files, and a few scripts run via cron to ping a server (using wget) to let the server know it is still online. As well as log files being written which I have just moved to tmpfs
[1:06] <satellit_e> ok have to go afk good luck
[1:06] <Gumby> but even the log files writes should not kill a card in 2 weeks
[1:06] <Blueness|> definitely
[1:06] <Blueness|> try different cards is all i can think of
[1:06] <Gumby> and not 18/20 cards in two weeks
[1:06] <Gumby> hehe
[1:06] <Blueness|> or disable logging maybe haha
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[1:06] <Gumby> with the other two bound to fail shortly
[1:07] <Gumby> ive moved the logging to tmpfs in my base image now that I write to all the sd cards
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[1:08] <Gumby> I'm going to try grab 5 cards each of 4 different brands. I have to get 20 cards out asap so it will unfortunately be "in the field" testing
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[1:08] <Blueness|> haha
[1:08] <Blueness|> yea i can't really think of much of a software solution
[1:08] <Gumby> at least on-hold music isnt mission critical :)
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[1:09] <Blueness|> how are you telling if files are corrupted
[1:09] <bacteu> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3534
[1:09] <satellit_e> is the Power supply adequate?
[1:09] <Blueness|> and have you tried repairing/reformatting?
[1:09] <Gumby> the cards cant be mounted, dumped using dd, repartitioned... notihng
[1:09] <Blueness|> yuck
[1:10] <Gumby> satellit_e: the psu were purchased with the pis from newark/element14
[1:10] <tonyhughes> WAHOOO free 42" LED Bravia internet TV on its way to me! I love my bank.
[1:10] <Blueness|> what is the amps on the PSU?
[1:10] <Gumby> so I assume they are adequate but will do some testing. will have to read up on where to test
[1:10] <Gumby> Blueness|: one sec I ill grab one
[1:10] <Blueness|> ideally you want a PSU that can feed ~1A
[1:10] <Blueness|> 500mA is minimum for the model A
[1:11] <satellit_e> or more....
[1:11] <Blueness|> 700mA is minimum for model B
[1:11] <Gumby> 1A
[1:11] <Blueness|> well its not a power issue
[1:11] <Blueness|> besides the card it could be a defect in the pi or software issue
[1:12] <Blueness|> both far less likely than the card itself lol
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[1:12] <Gumby> 18 defective pis?
[1:12] <Gumby> hehe
[1:12] <Blueness|> lol
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[1:13] <Blueness|> maybe the PSA with the hynix memory chip Pi's might be related
[1:13] <Blueness|> that bacteu linked
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[1:14] <Blueness|> i guess using the latest raspbian of whatever distro you are using wouldn't hurt
[1:14] <Gumby> yes, I am going to update that as well
[1:14] <Gumby> currently running arch arm from nov I believe
[1:15] <Blueness|> hmm
[1:15] <Blueness|> thats pretty old lol
[1:15] <Blueness|> though I doubt an old distro would destroy cards like that lol
[1:15] <Blueness|> strange, I hope you get it figured out Gumby
[1:16] <Gumby> ditto. I'm the one supplying the hardware to someone for their project so its me who partially looks like the idiot here
[1:16] <Gumby> then again, I told them there was testing needed before we started distribtuion of the concept, but they decided to distribute without testing
[1:16] * Gumby shrugs
[1:17] <Blueness|> lol
[1:17] <Blueness|> keep your receipt :)
[1:17] <Gumby> heh, indeed
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[1:22] <aaa801> grrr
[1:22] <aaa801> no sound 3:
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[1:25] <aaa801> no sound over stupid hdmi with my pc monitor =/
[1:26] <Ben64> omxplayer -o hdmi
[1:26] <aaa801> im using dgen
[1:27] <pksato> amixer set some ....
[1:27] <bacteu> aaa801: you can force it to use hdmi sound
[1:27] <pksato> amixer cset numid=3 2
[1:27] <aaa801> how bacteu
[1:27] <bacteu> aaa801: what he said
[1:27] <aaa801> ok il try that in a sec
[1:27] <aaa801> btw megadrive emulation is amazingly fast
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[1:28] <bacteu> compared to what?
[1:28] <aaa801> compared to how it was before :)
[1:28] <aaa801> runs at full speed
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[1:30] <aaa801> mhm i run hello_audio.bin and output to hdmi, still no output attall from monitor jack
[1:30] <bacteu> jack?
[1:30] <aaa801> monitor has a headphone jack
[1:30] <aaa801> pi is hooked to monitor with hdmi
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[1:30] <pksato> aaa801: work with pc?
[1:31] <aaa801> pc is hooked up with dvi
[1:31] <aaa801> no idea
[1:31] <pksato> or other hdmi source
[1:31] <bacteu> does dvi do sound?
[1:31] <pksato> no
[1:32] <aaa801> HDMI:EDID has HDMI support and audio support
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[1:35] <aaa801> mhm got hello_audio to work
[1:35] <aaa801> still no sound from dgen tho
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[1:37] <pksato> aaa801: have sound from rpi jack?
[1:37] <aaa801> nope
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[1:38] <aaa801> well this is odd
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[1:39] <aaa801> if i set the mixer to go to analogue instead
[1:39] <aaa801> it works =/
[1:39] <aaa801> dgen why do you hate hdmi sound soo much
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[1:40] <pksato> can be, monitor can not support audio from hdmi.
[1:40] <pksato> what monitor?
[1:41] <aaa801> no because hello_audio worked
[1:41] <aaa801> when output to hdmi
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[1:41] <pksato> ah. ok.
[1:41] <bacteu> aaa801: see if there's any config.txt options which force hdmi
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[1:42] <aaa801> i have set force_hdmi=1 and
[1:42] <aaa801> hdmi_drive=2
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[1:42] <aaa801> sdtv_mode 2 i mean instead of force_hdmi
[1:42] <pksato> and, speaker-test -c 2
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[1:46] <aaa801> no output with that
[1:46] <aaa801> maybe it just hates my pc monitor
[1:46] <aaa801> lemme try it on my tv
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[1:47] <QazzaQY2K> hey I was testing my new SDCard, when I got some funny reads at 100MB/s but only with 100M files. Here's my loggs http://pastebin.com/V918HQHV
[1:48] <[Saint]> similar card to mine.
[1:48] <[Saint]> I've seen the card do 110~12MB/s before.
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[1:48] <[Saint]> *112MB/s
[1:49] <[Saint]> Not on the raspi, mind you...
[1:49] <QazzaQY2K> is there any optimal alignment I could do?? this is on the RPi ..
[1:49] <edman007> QazzaQY2K, first, how did you measure it...
[1:49] <[Saint]> edman007: did you even look?
[1:49] <QazzaQY2K> with dd if=testfile_100MB of=/dev/null bs=1024
[1:49] <edman007> some cards can do some very high speeds (the class X is the speed)
[1:50] <bacteu> QazzaQY2K: flash memory has crap speeds with small files (ie an OS), it's just a fact of life
[1:50] <edman007> QazzaQY2K, that ignores the cache, linux has writes caches, you should wrap the call in syncs and time the from the start of dd to the end of the second sync at least
[1:51] <aaa801> bacteu, pksato , speaker-test works on my tv, still nothing from dgen
[1:51] <QazzaQY2K> edman007: I'm bit of a newb, what command should I write to do that?
[1:51] <bacteu> aaa801: try the forums
[1:52] <edman007> sync; time (dd blah; sync)
[1:52] <edman007> that gives you something close, though hdparm does a real bench the right way
[1:52] <edman007> and then divide the time numbers (real) by the data transfered
[1:53] <QazzaQY2K> what's hdparm? a benchmarking program?
[1:53] <edman007> QazzaQY2K, hard drive control program, lets you mess with all the little settings for a drive
[1:53] <Gumby> its like chicken parm, only for HDDs
[1:53] <edman007> includes a simple drive bench
[1:54] <QazzaQY2K> :D reading the wiki now
[1:54] <pksato> no. hdparm set some parameter of IDE HDD. not userfull on sata HDs. except to make some benchmarking.
[1:55] <edman007> `hdparm -t /dev/sda` will bench the read
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[1:56] <edman007> pksato, it controls the ATA stuff, SATA uses ATA just as much as IDE, though it doesn't do as much with usb things and they lack most of that stuff
[1:56] <edman007> or rather flash drives
[1:57] <Gumby> heh, nice. I ordered $1500 worth of rpi stuff from Newark/Element14 and they send me a %15 off coupon. I just tried to place another smaller order and tried to use the 15% off coupon but it would not apply for some reason. So I emailed them and they told me that the coupons dont apply to raspberry pi or raspberry pi accessories
[1:57] <ParkerR> Hehe
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[1:57] <ParkerR> Gumby, And umm
[1:57] <aaa801> must.. contain.. urge to curse
[1:57] <edman007> Gumby, i got the 15% coupon for just one rpi :P
[1:57] <ParkerR> How the heck do you spend 1,500 on RPI and RPi related stuf?
[1:57] <Gumby> edman007: sriiously?
[1:58] <Gumby> oh, the coupon
[1:58] <Gumby> hehe
[1:58] <Gumby> not applied to a pi
[1:58] <edman007> and so far I've blown about $1k on my RPi submarine, and I got about nothing working yet (mostly because of waiting on shipping)
[1:58] <edman007> Gumby, no, not applied to it
[1:58] <Gumby> ParkerR: pis, psu, cases, network cables
[1:58] <QazzaQY2K> edman007: getting an error not sure it's installed
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[1:58] <edman007> apt-get it...
[1:58] <edman007> there are proper drive bench programs out there
[1:59] <Gumby> ParkerR: for 20 complete units of what Im building
[1:59] <edman007> hdparm is usually just included, that's why I mentioned it
[1:59] <ParkerR> Gumby, O.o :O
[1:59] <ParkerR> Ok for that price I could have one kick ass desktop
[1:59] <ParkerR> Oh sorry
[1:59] <Gumby> I understand why it cant be applied to pis themselvs
[1:59] <Gumby> but SD cards?
[2:00] <Gumby> come on
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[2:03] <[Saint]> Gumby: I had a similar weird situation with raspis, RS NZ (which is just RS UK by another name, oddly), and vouchers: I ordered a raspi model B, they sent the order confirmation, the sent the shipping confirmation, then they sent another shipping confirmation...so I emailed them and they were all like "Well, thanks for telling us but its too late - enjoy your free pi". As if that wasn't awesome enough, because I was honest and tried to tell them
[2:03] <[Saint]> about the error they sent me a $20 voucher.
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[2:03] <[Saint]> I tried to use that to buy another pi, but no dice :) Can't use vouchers for pi stuff apparently.
[2:03] <QazzaQY2K> If I don't have a /dev/sda yet, what then?
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[2:04] <Gumby> [Saint]: nope
[2:04] <Gumby> is an sd card really a pi accessory though? that is all I was trying to purchase
[2:04] <Gumby> heh
[2:04] <Gumby> 20 sd cards
[2:05] <[Saint]> I got cables.
[2:05] <[Saint]> (with my voucher)
[2:05] <ParkerR> Gumby, How big and how much?
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[2:06] <Gumby> ParkerR: 4GB * 20
[2:06] <bacteu> Gumby: you'd be better off buying the sd cards through amazon
[2:06] <ParkerR> Or anywhere else other than element14
[2:06] <Gumby> bacteu: one would think. heh. I just wanted something that was supposedly wasnt gonna crap out on me :)
[2:07] <Gumby> so I figured why not
[2:07] <[Saint]> I agree with the latter - but, not Amazon. Fake cards roam aplenty there.
[2:07] <ParkerR> Gumby, Man, I wish I had that kind of money
[2:07] <bacteu> [Saint]: that's why you only buy the ones that ship from amazon's warehouse
[2:07] <Gumby> ParkerR: its not really my money :) the client ends up paying for it
[2:07] <Gumby> I make like a dollar for each
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[2:07] <Gumby> haha
[2:08] <[Saint]> Playa gettin' paid, yo.
[2:08] <ParkerR> $20?
[2:08] <ParkerR> What?
[2:08] <SwK> e14 is doing freeshipping on the oi with a vouncher code is like 314bday til the end of the month or something like that
[2:09] <Gumby> ParkerR: ah, 4GB @ $13.12/ea
[2:09] <bacteu> imho judging by the crappy box they ship it in it should definitely be free
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[2:18] <Ben64> i thought it was free shipping for $100 orders
[2:19] <Gumby> what player would you guys recommend for mp3s? must be command line
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[2:19] <Gumby> Ive been using mpd
[2:20] <ParkerR> Gumby, mplayer
[2:20] <ParkerR> mpd
[2:20] <ParkerR> omxplayer might do audio too
[2:20] <Ben64> does mplayer work over hdmi
[2:20] <Ben64> omxplayer does do audio, but doesn't do wildcards last i checked
[2:20] <ParkerR> Ben64, It outputs to whatever the default sound out put is
[2:20] <ParkerR> *output
[2:20] <wroberts1> never fixed this? https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi-Python/issues/9
[2:20] <Gumby> must also be lightweight. I know I had some issues with raspian the last time I tried. a popping noise between each track
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[2:20] <Ben64> i love mplayer2 on my desktop
[2:21] <ParkerR> Gumby, That's a hardware issue with the analog jack
[2:21] <Ben64> might work awesomely on pi
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[2:21] <ParkerR> Well analog hardware
[2:21] <Gumby> ParkerR: so it still exists? I'm not sure it is hardware because it doesnt exist when I use arch linux
[2:21] <ParkerR> Ben64, only mplayer. mplayer2 is for better CPUs
[2:21] <Gumby> only raspian
[2:21] <ParkerR> Gumby, Weird
[2:21] <ParkerR> Dont know myself. Use HDMI
[2:21] <Ben64> ParkerR: i don't think that accurate, mplayer2 is just a fork
[2:21] <Gumby> I guess it could still be a hardware issue, but perhaps they have found a way around it with their drivers
[2:24] <Gumby> is there a root user in raspbian ?
[2:24] <Gumby> nm, sudo -s works
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[2:51] <lunchdump> I'm having problems booting my pi... the power light goes on and dims a bit and then nothing happens. Just tried rewriting the SD card image.. no luck. tried powering it through microUSB and through 5v pin with two different supplies.. nothing :( Any ideas?
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[2:54] <seba--> lunchdump, still here?
[2:55] <lunchdump> yes
[2:55] <seba--> lunchdump, how do you make the image? what's the rating of the power supply?
[2:56] <lunchdump> i just downloaded the .img and dd'd it to the sd card (bought a card reader). I've tried 2 power supplies one is 5V/2A (DC) and the other is 5V/1A (microUSB)
[2:57] <seba--> weird
[2:57] <seba--> maybe the SD card is not compatible
[2:57] <Ben64> bust out the multimeter and check voltage on the test points
[2:57] <seba--> some SD cards don't work with r.pi
[2:57] <Ben64> bad cables, and long cables don't like the pi
[2:58] <lunchdump> its the preformatted element14 sd card and worked previously
[2:58] <lunchdump> im going to buy a multimeter now o__o
[3:00] <lunchdump> is it possible i fried anything by putting the 2A power supply in the wrong pins on the end of a seatbelt cable?
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[3:00] <lunchdump> becasue i did that once and nothing happened when connected, then i fixed it and it worked fine a few boots after that
[3:00] <seba--> yes
[3:01] <seba--> you could fry it
[3:01] <seba--> i think
[3:01] <seba--> :)
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[3:01] <RiXtEr> lunchdump, how did you flash the card... did you do /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda ??
[3:01] <RiXtEr> (presuming sda is the right device)
[3:01] <lunchdump> the latter
[3:01] <RiXtEr> ah.
[3:02] <RiXtEr> does the card work in your machine after flashing it ?
[3:02] <RiXtEr> (not pie, but the machine you are flashing the card with)
[3:03] <RiXtEr> *pi
[3:03] <lunchdump> Yeah, it mounts and the filesystem seems intact. there are 2 partitions like before
[3:04] <seba--> lunchdump, it's the SD card on the compatible list, on which pins did you apply 5V and GND?
[3:05] <lunchdump> I really don't know... I didn't look, I just re arranged them to see if it'd work then, and did :\
[3:05] <techkid6> heh, --> is an arrow
[3:05] <RiXtEr> and umopapsidn is upsidedown.
[3:06] <RiXtEr> umopapisdn even
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[3:37] <[Saint]> u??op??p??sdn s?? up??sd??do??n pu?? is and umopapsidn is upsidedown upside down and back to front
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[3:38] <[Saint]> awww...dammit. close enough.
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[3:55] <Code_Bleu> ???????s ??s ??o?? ??on ????d?? nds??p?? po??u??
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[4:03] <fr0g911> howdy
[4:06] <QazzaQY2K> how would I add access for user pi to be allowed to send a file with SFTP to folder /etc/mysql ??
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[4:07] <QazzaQY2K> mysql-server install got a warning it couldn't make the my.cnf config file. not sure why, but I got a backup tho. I'm not allowed to send it.
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[4:13] <fr0g911> was just about to help him lol
[4:13] <fr0g911> was watching short circuit
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[4:33] <DropBear> Number 5 is alive!!!!
[4:34] <fr0g911> lol
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[5:22] <Offica> Hey, could someone help me to backup my PI sd card. I mount an external hdd, then do sudo dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/media/USBHDD/piback.img
[5:22] <Offica> it backs up like 4gb of it then says theres not enough space on the disk
[5:22] <Offica> the SD card is 8gb, the external hdd mounted is 500gb with about 100gb free
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[5:24] <knoppies> Offica, how much free space on your SD card?
[5:24] <knoppies> and would you do df -h on the RPi.
[5:24] <Offica> hmm, how do i check?
[5:24] <knoppies> df -h will actually tell you
[5:24] <Offica> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
[5:24] <Offica> derp
[5:24] <knoppies> I want the line with mmcblk0 in it.
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[5:26] <Offica> ./dev/mmcblk0p1 56M 19M 38M 34% /boot
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[5:26] <knoppies> Offica, thats the boot partition what about the / partition?
[5:27] <Offica> rootfs 7.4G 1.5G 5.6G 22% /
[5:27] <Offica> ./dev/root 7.4G 1.5G 5.6G 22% /
[5:27] <knoppies> hmmm, ok then I think its weird that your img only comes out at 4GB, as your partition size is in fact 8GB.
[5:28] <Offica> yeah, it says not enough space on the external hdd
[5:28] <Offica> but
[5:28] <Offica> ./dev/sda1 597G 272G 325G 46% /media/USBHDD
[5:28] <Offica> 272gb free
[5:28] <Offica> -_-
[5:28] <knoppies> does anybody know if dd requires contiguous space?
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[5:35] <blahee> that ext disk is VFAT? VFAT does have 4GB file size limit
[5:35] <knoppies> blahee, good point, thank you.
[5:36] <knoppies> Offica, do you understand that?
[5:36] <Offica> yeah the external hdd is VFAT
[5:36] <Offica> damn
[5:36] <knoppies> Offica, the good news is your SD card is only using about 1.5GB which means you can compress it.
[5:37] <knoppies> Offica, you could setup an SSH or NFS mount on your Pi and try dd to that.
[5:38] <knoppies> at 12MB/s
[5:38] <blahee> one can pipe the dd to split (man 1 split) to get smaller files
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[5:40] <blahee> something like "dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 | split --bytes=2G - file.name"
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[5:41] <subv> hey... my pi is running nicely with openelec.. .one question tho.. do i need to keep reflashing the nightlies or does it update automatically
[5:41] <Offica> okay, i'll try that thanks guys
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[5:44] <knoppies> Offica, if you want to join the split files together you could use something like cat.
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[5:50] <ShiftPlusOne> subv, not sure. You used to have to update manually, but I am pretty sure they've changed that. You can ask in their channel or see if sraue is around here now to answer that.
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[5:51] <fr0g911> ok i give up trying to get this ati all in wonder remote to work with xbmc
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[6:08] <ParkerR> fr0g911, Heard if flirc?
[6:08] <ParkerR> *of
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[6:27] <fr0g911> no ParkerR
[6:27] <fr0g911> i havent
[6:28] <ParkerR> fr0g911, It's a little USB dongle that basically works with about any remote and an emulate a standard HID keyboard
[6:28] <fr0g911> that sounds pretty awesome
[6:28] <ParkerR> *and it
[6:28] <fr0g911> trying to find it on amazon
[6:29] <ParkerR> So you plug it into a computer (I think just Windows and Mac for now) and use their software to program it. It programs the codes into the device and then whatever you plug it into sees a keyboard attached
[6:29] <ParkerR> fr0g911, It may be only at their website http://flirc.tv/
[6:29] <fr0g911> yeah im looking at it pretty cool
[6:30] <ParkerR> Havent shopped around
[6:30] <fr0g911> yeah they dont see it anywhere besides ebay
[6:30] <fr0g911> and its 30 bucks on there
[6:30] <ParkerR> Oh it does work on linux
[6:30] <ParkerR> QT app
[6:31] <fr0g911> yea i already found a 9$ remote for the pi thats confirmed working with xbmc free shipping so im gonna just use that but i wanna buy that flirc now too cause that will be awesome for other peoples tv's
[6:33] <fr0g911> there we go fixed my buffer problem
[6:35] <fr0g911> ill let you know how both remotes work going to order the flirc
[6:35] <fr0g911> goodnight everyone
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[6:43] <[Saint]> anyone have any experience with raspbian installer?
[6:45] <ParkerR> [Saint], I've used it
[6:46] <[Saint]> ParkerR: is there some magic involved in getting it to boot?
[6:46] <ParkerR> [Saint], What do you mean? You just let it install and reboot
[6:47] <[Saint]> Right - but, I'm getting a flash of activity, power light, then...nothing.
[6:47] <[Saint]> The sdcard is fine, the files are fine (verified md5 sums) - no idea what's wrong.
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[6:48] <[Saint]> Is there some expected directory structure? Or is it literally "dump the individual files from the installer .zip in /"?
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[6:49] <ParkerR> [Saint], ohhh nooooo
[6:49] <ParkerR> [Saint], Put it on the fat32 boot partition
[6:49] <ParkerR> Erase everything that might already be there
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[6:50] <[Saint]> Aha - their wiki is fucked, then.
[6:50] <[Saint]> errr, fudged.
[6:50] <[Saint]> *whoops
[6:50] <ParkerR> [Saint], Umm "Format an SD card with a single FAT32 (MS-DOS or Windows formatted) partition and copy the installer files from this zip file onto the top level directory"
[6:50] <ParkerR> In plain english :P
[6:51] <ParkerR> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[6:51] <[Saint]> Aha - well, I misparsed - and I was unclear.
[6:52] <ParkerR> They say format to a single fat32 but you can just throw it on the boot partition if it was used with the Pi before
[6:52] <[Saint]> I *am* installing it to a fat32 partition, your use of the term "boot partition" confused me.
[6:52] <ParkerR> Oh sorry
[6:52] <ParkerR> I was assuming the card was used with Pi previously. Sorry
[6:52] <[Saint]> I will try the latter - and it is me that should be sorry, I was terribly unclear.
[6:53] <[Saint]> The card has been used with a pi previously, but I wiped out the partitions and started agin.
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[6:53] <[Saint]> I'll try not doing that, in case Ubuntu is doing "weird stuffs" it doesn't expect.
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[8:12] <DenBeiren> hi, is it possible to controll the pi from another computer? eg teamviewer?
[8:12] <ShiftPlusOne> absolutely
[8:12] <ShiftPlusOne> just not with teamviewer
[8:12] <DenBeiren> what would work better then?
[8:12] <ShiftPlusOne> for text-only, ssh works great. For guis you'll need something like vnc.
[8:13] <DenBeiren> i would like to use a pi only to show a powerpoint slideshow on a tv
[8:13] <DenBeiren> ths powerpoint should be easily changed by users
[8:14] <DenBeiren> i was looking into msi's windbooks etc, but i am in doubt if a pi will do the same
[8:16] <ShiftPlusOne> by powerpoint do you mean ms powerpoint or are you using it as a generic term?
[8:16] <DenBeiren> let me explain a bit more,..
[8:16] * ShiftPlusOne puts on the listening glasses.
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[8:17] <DenBeiren> one of my customers is a doctor,.. in his waitingroom there is a tv, no computer. on this screen he shows info for his practice
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[8:17] <DenBeiren> situation now = a mininotebook hidden behind the tv
[8:17] <DenBeiren> but it's loud, and it's "stealable" :-)
[8:18] <JohannesG> you can easily use a Raspberry to display information like that, although it won't be able to run a Powerpoint slideshow (unless you mean powerpoint as a generic term for any kind of a slideshow)
[8:18] <DenBeiren> he makes a powerpoint (yes ms) on his own pc, puts it on a stick, goes to the mininotebook, copies it and plays it from the mininotebook
[8:19] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah that will all work great, except for the powerpoint part
[8:19] <ShiftPlusOne> you'll need to use something like libreoffice
[8:19] <DenBeiren> so in which way could i deploy a pi there?
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[8:19] <_45h_> ???????? ??????????????, ????????????
[8:20] <JohannesG> LibreOffice or something similar showing a LibreOffice slideshow, other way would be to have the Pi use VNC to remote view a computer (a mininotebook) hidden somewhere else. that way you can have a powerpoint slideshow
[8:21] <ShiftPlusOne> DenBeiren, I think what you have planned is fine. Hook it all up and you can transfer files to it remotely with ssh or a network share and you can use vnc to control it.
[8:21] <ShiftPlusOne> _45h_, You alright there?
[8:21] <DenBeiren> any preferred distro?
[8:22] <JohannesG> raspbian is probably the best start
[8:22] <ShiftPlusOne> raspbian will provide you with the most support if you're just starting out
[8:22] <DenBeiren> it's not really me i'm worried about,.. it's the doctor :-)
[8:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Well... you wouldn't want to take any risks on something as serious as a waiting room slideshow.
[8:23] <JohannesG> the general rule is that it's piece of cake to set this up, but can be a bit more tricky to make things easy to use for a regular user.
[8:23] <DenBeiren> he doesn't afaik
[8:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Is the computer he wants to control the pi from running windows?
[8:24] <DenBeiren> he has windows in his cabinet, the pi would be in the waitingroom
[8:24] <DenBeiren> so controll the pi from windows yes
[8:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Yes, I got that. Ok, so he'll just need a vnc client and either a properly configured network share or winscp.
[8:27] <DenBeiren> i've got a spare memorycard here,.. i'll try some things on my pi
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[9:26] <Gadgetoid> Any digital logic designers for any simpler way than a hoofing great array of multiplexers to read registers?
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[9:27] <Gadgetoid> It works, but it seems inelegant to have a minimum of 3 mux per register just to handle 3 4-byte addresses in a 16-byte instruction
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[9:28] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd check out opencores and see what other people do.
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[9:30] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: might be a wee bit advanced for me at the moment, but I plan to make it there
[9:30] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: I'm currently simulating everything in Logisim to grok the fundamentals before moving on to VHDL
[9:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Got a book you're working from?
[9:31] <Gadgetoid> I cheated with timing and built a clock that spits out 5 distinct signals for Prepare, Load, Act, Save, Next
[9:32] <Gadgetoid> I'm reading the Papilio guide to VHDL, several other digital logic books, various web tutorials, wikipedia and everything else I can find
[9:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Got a goal in mind or just learning?
[9:32] <Gadgetoid> This wikibooks book is fantastic: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Microprocessor_Design/
[9:35] <ShiftPlusOne> Nice, looks similar to the structure of 'The elements of computing systems' (nand2tetris). I got about half way through it and found it very interesting, but don't have the time now. Would really like to design some simple cpu and run it on an fpga I've got lying around... at some point.
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[9:37] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: sounds like an interesting book!
[9:38] <Gadgetoid> My goal is to program the Papilio Pro successfully with something meaningful, and the goal of that is??? to learn things
[9:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I highly recommend it
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[9:41] <Gadgetoid> Good website to back it up, too, thanks!
[9:42] <Gadgetoid> I should probably learn how to use assembly effectively so I know what other instructions I need to implement??? next up is lshiftl and lshiftr
[9:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Np, the website is a bit lacking compared to the book, but lots of great info 'course
[9:42] <Gadgetoid> My microprocessor can currently load numbers from ROM, compare, jump, add, subtract and move
[9:43] <Gadgetoid> And my compiler understands "start: -- LOOP start" syntax and rewrites it into an appropriate unconditional jump instruction
[9:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I see they have 6 chapters of the book online for free anyway so the entire hardware aspect of it is there.
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[10:03] <Gadgetoid> Now that I've devised my own assembly language, I can finally use a rude word as the file extension!
[10:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Heh
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[10:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Not on this channel though D=
[10:05] <Gadgetoid> Drat! I'll have to sanitise it!
[10:06] <Gadgetoid> test.posterior?
[10:06] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[10:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Where have you been anyway? Seems like you've disappeared from this channel for a few months there.
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[10:08] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, quite a number of months in fact! Had somewhat of a life crises, then computer gaming happened
[10:09] <Gadgetoid> My blog got neglected, too, but I've resurrected and overhauled it with some spangly new features??? it's still slow though, which is odd as it's served from a caching proxy
[10:10] <Gadgetoid> Oh wow, I has a comment!
[10:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, well good to see you're getting back into all of that.
[10:10] <ShiftPlusOne> and I am off
[10:10] <Gadgetoid> Aha, have fun! and a good day, or night, I can't remember which!
[10:10] <Gadgetoid> joy! http://pi.gadgetoid.com/post/001-who-watches-the-watcher#comment-835743624
[10:11] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't see any comments O_o
[10:13] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: It's a fudge of javascript to provide them, so they may not show if you don't buy into that stuff
[10:13] <Kevel> is there a new board coming out anytime soon, or should i just buy the current class 2 board?
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[10:16] <Gadgetoid> Kevel: I'd go for the current one, otherwise you're Pi-less for an undetermined amount of time
[10:16] <Gadgetoid> There's certainly no need for a new board at the moment! Unless you want VGA
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[10:17] <linuxstb> I think the foundation have said they don't plan to release any new versions of the Pi in the near future, but rather concentrate on the software/educational-support side of things.
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[10:29] <Kevel> Gadgetoid: thanks :)
[10:29] <Gadgetoid> Kevel: You're missing out, trust me!
[10:29] <Kevel> I want to try create a little computer like Jarvis from iron man
[10:29] <Kevel> my programming isnt too bad
[10:29] <Kevel> but my electrical work etc - never done it before.
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[10:30] <Gadgetoid> It's not all that hard, last year I couldn't tell a transistor from optimus prime, now I'm designing microprocessors...
[10:30] <Gadgetoid> Drive in headfirst and don't let a fear of fatal electrocution of spontaneous fires put you off!
[10:30] <Kevel> its more the time and budget that stops me
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> why are you designing microprocessors?
[10:33] <Jck_true> Someones gotta do it...
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> I have a plan to make & publish designs for a 'retro 8-bit pc' to write games, etc. on, but it seems that there are several already ...
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[10:34] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: To learn!
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> I also suspect the number of people who might make one other than me are less than one...
[10:34] <Gadgetoid> Unless you do it yourself, I don't see a way of bridging the knowledge gap between basic digital logic, and the stuff available at OpenCores
[10:35] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: never let the insanity or impracticality or pointlessness of an idea put you off trying it anyway
[10:37] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Some of the smallest, throwaway things you write have aided my understanding of various concepts immensely
[10:37] <bacteu> now kiss
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[10:39] <Gadgetoid> What will we all do when we've moved on so far that we simply have no time in a lifetime to understand the whole chain of invention that brings us computers?
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[10:45] <[Saint]> Gadgetoid: many people are already there.
[10:46] <Gadgetoid> Sadly they're not immortal
[10:46] <bacteu> computers creating better computers
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[10:47] <bacteu> sounds very culture-esk
[10:47] <[Saint]> depending on how old you are, I'd wager most people don't care.
[10:48] <[Saint]> if you're around 20 or younger, most technology was just "always there", forever.
[10:48] <bacteu> so?
[10:48] <Gadgetoid> The sad truth of it, yes! I wonder how long before us technologically-inclined are seen as great and magical wizards manipulating unseen and mystical forces???
[10:48] <bacteu> the same thing happened with the radio
[10:48] <[Saint]> add just 10 to 15 years on to that, and you get an age of constant discovery - its really pretty cool.
[10:48] <Gadgetoid> Not that it isn't pretty much like that already
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[10:50] <[Saint]> I once asked my (much younger than i {heh}) So when she thought the internet was invented - the answer?
[10:50] <[Saint]> "Uhhhh - 1940? No, no wait...1930?"
[10:50] <bacteu> the internet didn't really take form until the mid 90's
[10:51] <[Saint]> right around the time she was busy being born :)
[10:51] <Gadgetoid> Back in 1930 it was formed with a network of paper cup telephones
[10:51] <Gadgetoid> And everyone made high pitches squeals down them
[10:52] * [Saint] still vividly remembers ascii porn
[10:52] <[Saint]> Oy...old. Lol.
[10:52] <Gadgetoid> We still have that, if you turn on the filter in VLC??? ayoo!
[10:53] <[Saint]> That's them fancy moving image things...well...back in my day... :P
[10:53] <Gadgetoid> And animated gifs have made a massive comeback
[10:53] * [Saint] loves being 30 and being able to say "back in my day..."
[10:54] <Gadgetoid> It's somewhat alarming that, from a technological perspective, being 30 is old
[10:55] <Gadgetoid> Not sure if I was poor, or I'm old, but I remember owning a black and white television
[10:55] <[Saint]> I remember television remotes having cables.
[10:55] <[Saint]> again - not sure if old or poor, but I recall it.
[10:56] <bacteu> eh?
[10:56] <bacteu> Cables?!
[10:56] <Vazde> Not to interrupt your chat, but could anyone help me with alsa? i have an external usb sound card and having troubles with buffering(?): few images of captured audio output at different frequencies and zooms: http://dea.fi/iW and http://dea.fi/iX
[10:56] <[Saint]> Before IR, sure.
[10:57] <bacteu> I just transitioned to buttons on the display to regular remotes
[10:57] <[Saint]> bets walking to the TV :)
[10:57] <[Saint]> *beats
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[11:07] <Wessix> hi got a problem when starting a python script using gtk
[11:07] <Wessix> i startet lxde and when is start my script i get: No module named gtk
[11:08] <Wessix> i have another sd with raspbian on it where it works, don't kno what i made diffrent there, has someone an idea what i'm doing wrong?
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[11:10] <jelly1> Wessix: your missing packages
[11:10] <jelly1> aka pygtk or such
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[11:10] <Wessix> thought it is installed when using lxde
[11:10] <jelly1> no
[11:11] <Wessix> ok so install pygtk you mean
[11:12] <jelly1> yes or however it's named
[11:13] <Wessix> python-gtk2 sound ggod
[11:16] <Wessix> jelly1 thank you
[11:16] <Wessix> that was it
[11:16] <Wessix> so i had done this on the other sd and forgotten
[11:16] <Wessix> this time i'll write it down :-)
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[11:20] <Wessix> jelly1 i have another issue on another sd perhaps you know what to do to
[11:20] <Wessix> i have done sudo apt-get update, and sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:20] <Wessix> and now i get an error
[11:21] <Wessix> http://nopaste.info/a976d9e9c9.html
[11:21] <Wessix> tried do upgrade with -f
[11:21] <Wessix> but no luck
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[11:21] <jelly1> I can't read it and don't use -f
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[11:23] <Wessix> internal gzip reading error
[11:24] <bortzmeyer> Wessix:on an intenational channel, it's better to set LANG=C before pasting an error message. Not everyone speaks german.
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[11:25] <Wessix2> fault on changing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc-bin_2.13-38+rpi2_armhf.deb (--unpack):
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[13:12] <vjacob> hello. any ideas why F1 - F12 might not be working on my keyboard under Pi?
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[13:13] <vjacob> or rather, how to enable them (in the console) ?
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[13:22] <anew> if i lost my login info for my pi, what can i do?
[13:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> login as single user and reset it all -
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[13:25] <anew> single user - ?
[13:25] <anew> will that delete everything or will my docs be saved
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[13:39] <Jck_true> anew: What OS is your primary system?
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[13:48] <anew> debian pi
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[13:51] <Jck_true> anew: Whats your desktop PC? Or Laptop
[13:52] <anew> ah
[13:52] <anew> win8
[13:52] <anew> laptop
[13:52] <Jck_true> If it's linux just mount the SD card and get the files you want
[13:52] <Jck_true> anew: Otherwise http://www.diskinternals.com/linux-reader/ is pretty slick
[13:52] <Jck_true> Allows you to backup your files :)
[13:53] <anew> so annoying catn belive i didnt write down the password. i swear i've tried everything. when you first install on rpi it doesnt let you be root user, so myusername has to be something else right ?
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[13:53] <Jck_true> You can enable the root user if you want (But it's not the debian way of doing things)
[13:53] <Jck_true> your username is "pi" by default
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[13:54] <anew> oh
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[13:54] <anew> i bet that's the problem
[13:54] <anew> let me try that
[13:54] <Jck_true> pi / raspberry
[13:54] <anew> doh
[13:54] <anew> there it is !
[13:54] <anew> thanks man lol
[13:55] <anew> can i send files thru my network to my pi or do i have to do all that thru my sd card ?
[13:55] <Jck_true> You can use WinSCP
[13:56] <Jck_true> And copy your files
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> ftp is marginally faster, but you need to install an ftp server on the Pi.
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[13:57] <anew> oh stupid question
[13:57] <anew> i already winscp
[13:57] <anew> no sleep last night
[13:57] <anew> thanks
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[14:03] <knoppies> ftp on the Pi might be much better than SCP, as SCP (and SFTP) have a CPU overhead for encryption/decryption. I use a python FTP server which I turn on when I need it and turn off when I no longer need it (over SSH). The FTP server is pyftpdlib. With basic_ftpd.py which looks a bit like: http://pastebin.com/bGUsx5xe
[14:04] <knoppies> You can get the server from: https://code.google.com/p/pyftpdlib/
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[14:04] <knoppies> For small text files, I use winSCP or sftp. I use ftp for larger files which will take longer.
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[14:08] <gordonDrogon> apt-get install proftpd-basic
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> ftw...
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> but I use rsync/scp myself.
[14:09] <knoppies> thanks gordonDrogon, I will have a look into that.
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> however all my systems are Linux, so no Win/Mac to copy to/from.
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[14:10] <nid0> fwiw, the loss from using scp on a pi is immaterial, it can still happily more than saturate the nic
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[14:11] <jelly1> scp > ftp
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[14:11] <gordonDrogon> nid0, not on my Pi's ...
[14:11] <knoppies> nid0, only if the Pi is not doing something else computationally intensive.
[14:11] <nid0> really?
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> I've never seen more than 3Mb/sec via scp to/from a Pi ..
[14:11] <Ben64> also depends on the sd card
[14:11] <knoppies> gordonDrogon, what SD card?
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> let me run some tests
[14:11] <knoppies> gordonDrogon, I recommend a class 10.
[14:11] <Ben64> if you can't write 12.5MB/s to a card, you can't scp that fast
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> my SD cards can do 20Mb/sec.
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> 20MB/sec too.
[14:11] <jelly1> mine too
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[14:12] <knoppies> gordonDrogon, up to 20MB/s and minimum of 20MB/s are a HUGE difference.
[14:12] <knoppies> gordonDrogon, most HDDs can burst 6gb/s.
[14:12] <Ben64> class 10 can be slower than class 6
[14:12] <knoppies> Ben64, only if you are transferring lots of tiny files.
[14:13] <Ben64> no
[14:13] <knoppies> really?
[14:14] <Ben64> class 10 is 10MB/s minimum for contiguous writing, which doesn't happen a good deal of the time
[14:14] <knoppies> Ben64, I have 32GIG cards, it happens often enough for me.
[14:14] <knoppies> what class6 cards do you recommend? I need one for my phone.
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[14:15] <gordonDrogon> knoppies, hdd's are limited by their head bandwidth - currently 120MB/sec for the fastest ones.
[14:15] <Ben64> i mean you can get class 10, but make sure it's not a crappy one
[14:15] <Ben64> i have the samsung extreme micro sd in my phone
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> knoppies, the 'burst' is the cable speed, not the speed to medium.
[14:15] <knoppies> gordonDrogon, yes, but their buffer can still talk at 6gbits/s
[14:15] <knoppies> gordonDrogon, I am aware of that.
[14:15] <knoppies> Ben64, thank you.
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ yakko: scp bigfile pi0:
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> bigfile 100% 300MB 2.8MB/s 01:48
[14:16] <Ben64> don't get a transcend class 10 and expect it to be awesome
[14:16] <Ben64> theres also that newer speed rating
[14:16] <knoppies> gordonDrogon, now do a write to the SD card over something other than scp. Like a local USB HDD or something.
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ yakko: scp pi0:bigfile .
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> bigfile 100% 300MB 3.5MB/s 01:26
[14:18] <knoppies> gordonDrogon, I still want to know how fast the SD card is.
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi0: dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=1M count=100
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> 100+0 records in
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> 100+0 records out
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 10.9583 s, 9.6 MB/s
[14:18] <knoppies> So that is a nice card.
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[14:19] <knoppies> nid0, see that?
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> Timing buffered disk reads: 60 MB in 3.03 seconds = 19.80 MB/sec
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> so scp should be able to push data a lot faster - however it can't as it runs the cpu at 100% doing the encryption...
[14:20] <Jck_true> 15.1MB/sec
[14:20] <Ben64> dd isn't very indicative of speed
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> oh it's good enough for this.
[14:20] <Ben64> no
[14:20] <Jck_true> On a Transcend Class 6 :D
[14:21] <Ben64> on my computer here....
[14:21] <knoppies> Jck_true, how big was the file?
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> this is asandisk ultra c6 fwiw.
[14:21] <Jck_true> 100 MB :)
[14:21] <Ben64> dd if=/dev/zero of=test100 bs=1M count=100
[14:21] <Ben64> 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 0.094035 s, 1.1 GB/s
[14:21] <Ben64> apparently my drive writes at 1GB/s
[14:21] <Ben64> thanks dd
[14:21] <knoppies> Ben64, looks like it got cached nicely.
[14:21] <Ben64> exactly
[14:21] <Ben64> you can't use it as a benchmark
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[14:22] <knoppies> what if you made the file much larger than your free RAM?
[14:22] <knoppies> still a bad choice?
[14:22] <Ben64> it'd be better
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[14:24] <Ben64> 8589934592 bytes (8.6 GB) copied, 52.8589 s, 163 MB/s
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[14:27] <gordonDrogon> you really need to use 2x free ram. my Pi is a 256MB one.
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[14:35] <Gadgetoid> If anyone with Logisim, Ruby and a basic grasp of assembly wants to play with my shoddy microprocessor. see here: http://pi.gadgetoid.com/post/037-simulating-a-quick-and-dirty-microprocessor
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[14:45] <ShiftPlusOne> great, now breadboard it =D
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[14:53] <neilr> http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/fingerprint-scanner-p-1102.html
[14:53] <neilr> cor. wonder what I can do with a pi and one of those...
[14:53] <ShiftPlusOne> ah sparkfun has something similar as well iirc
[14:55] <ShiftPlusOne> and yeah it should work on the pi, all the processing is done by the module and it's just plain uart to communicate with it.
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> you've not been reading how easy it is to fool these, then?
[14:55] <steve_rox> i read about that
[14:55] <ShiftPlusOne> sure, you can do it with a gummy bear
[14:55] <neilr> Yup. Just wondering what I could actually *do* with it though :) I could use it to control access to my shed, but then again, I'm the only person that uses it anyway :)
[14:56] <ShiftPlusOne> You wouldn't use that for an actual security application... you'd just stick it onto a random project because it's cool >.>
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[14:57] <neilr> mmm... fingerprint recognition for my an mp3 streaming application. If my wife uses it, it serves up Bon Jovi. If I use it, anything but...
[14:57] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[14:57] <steve_rox> when print readers came out on laptops etc i just considered them a gimmic really
[14:58] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: I think I'll cut straight to FPGAing it, would be cheaper!
[14:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Would be nice to do your own cpu with plain logic chips though. Seems more fun that way
[14:59] <Gadgetoid> You're right, and I'd probably learn a lot from it!
[15:00] <Gadgetoid> But it'd take a lot of chips and wires, for sure!
[15:00] * ShiftPlusOne wonders how much time he can make Gadgetoid waste....
[15:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Better yet, vacuum tubes!
[15:00] <Gadgetoid> Life is all about wasting time???. Be Born ??? waste time ??? Die!
[15:01] <steve_rox> makes sence :-P
[15:01] <neilr> So it's the quality of time wasted that defines quality of life? :)
[15:01] <neilr> I'm all for that idea.
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[15:01] <Gadgetoid> neilr: Something like that!
[15:03] <Gadgetoid> Probably better wasting time trying to build a CPU on breadboards than by playing Planetside 2
[15:05] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/128035-how-to-build-an-8-bit-computer-from-scratch
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[15:05] <Gadgetoid> I half-heartedly started reading: http://www.hokstad.com/writing-a-compiler-in-ruby-bottom-up-step-1
[15:06] <Gadgetoid> But I think my compiler, as shoddy, unintelligent and hacky as it is, will probably suffice as a learning exercise
[15:06] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: That involves one or two wires!
[15:07] <ShiftPlusOne> coursera has a proper compiler course you can do for free at your own pace if you're into that sort of thing
[15:07] <ShiftPlusOne> https://www.coursera.org/course/compilers (choose self-study, so that you don't have due dates and all that)
[15:08] <ShiftPlusOne> could make a simple c compiler for your processor
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[15:12] <bacteu2> hi
[15:13] <ShiftPlusOne> hi
[15:14] <Gadgetoid> Crazy, so much to learn, so little time
[15:14] <Gadgetoid> Oh dear, my computer has blown a fuse again
[15:15] <IT_Sean> o.O
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[15:16] <Gadgetoid> OSX if uptime > 30 days CRASH end
[15:16] <bacteu> Gadgetoid: macs are supposed to be rebooted weekly
[15:17] <Gadgetoid> Think mine's about to catch fire
[15:17] <bacteu> why's that?
[15:17] <IT_Sean> bacteu: that is a load of crap
[15:18] <bacteu> IT_Sean: the rule of thumb is, windows daily, osx weekly
[15:18] <bacteu> otherwise you'll get issues
[15:18] <IT_Sean> I almost made a full year of uptime on my MDD G4 once. Would have, too, if i didn't accidentally run soffware update on the 362nd day.
[15:18] <Gadgetoid> If I don't reboot my laptop monthly, it starts to get flaky
[15:18] <bacteu> Indeed
[15:19] <Gadgetoid> Windows was worse, I ran so much stuff that I ran out of window handles on a 32bit machine
[15:19] <IT_Sean> O_O
[15:19] <bacteu> windows 7/8 is a lot better than xp was with handling long uptimes
[15:19] <Gadgetoid> I'd try and load a new application and it couldn't draw the UI, ha!
[15:19] <IT_Sean> wow
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[15:20] <fortytwo> I tend to notice OS X slowing down a bit after a month or so uptime, my Windows box generally doesn't stay on long enough to compare since it heats my room too well :P
[15:21] <bacteu> my pi reaches 27 days of uptime in 2 hours
[15:21] <fortytwo> Had uptimes of almost a year on one of my Linux VPSs, but that's a bit different to a general purpose desktop
[15:22] <bacteu> fortytwo: server OSs are designed to stay on
[15:22] <nid0> my windows workstation tends to go a couple of months between reboots
[15:22] <fortytwo> exactly
[15:22] <nid0> and those are generally just mandatory for updates
[15:22] <Gadgetoid> My Pi has been up longer than my laptop that's for sure
[15:23] <bacteu> fortytwo: and the cpus are specially designed for continous operation, consumer cpus not so much
[15:23] <fortytwo> True, and there's less people knocking the power cord out when the machine is in a datacentre
[15:24] <bacteu> and consumer ram probably doesn't have protection against cosmic rays flipping bits
[15:25] <steve_rox> i see they are getting close to releaseing the cam module
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[15:25] <gordonDrogon> oh dear. uptimes.
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[15:26] <Gadgetoid> Damn cosmic rays!
[15:27] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Run. Hide.
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> 14:27:07 up 1604 days, 17:32, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[15:27] <Gadgetoid> That's nothing compared to the uptime on my microwave!
[15:27] <bacteu> gordonDrogon: show off
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> I know.
[15:28] <bacteu> Gadgetoid: does your microwave have ssh?
[15:28] <Gadgetoid> It's reboot-o-clock, see you on the other side!
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> I do have one server with a rather modest uptime: 14:28:15 up 619 days, 16:10, 3 users, load average: 0.26, 0.22, 0.22
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> however the disk power up time is a bit more:
[15:29] * neilr ponders bouncing around some of the routers in our network to check for biblical uptimes
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[15:30] <bacteu> ReggieUK: do you use a satellite or cable for internet?
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[15:31] <gordonDrogon> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 016 016 000 Old_age Always - 61612
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> Ah, it's hit 7 years.
[15:33] <nid0> leaving aside embedded equipment I think 600-700-odd days is probably the highest we have on anything
[15:34] <bacteu> the e-ink kindles would probably have a fairly high uptime
[15:34] <bacteu> they run linux
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[15:37] <neilr> Solaris uptime also tends to be measured in years. Or decades.
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[15:56] <FatalException> hey guys
[15:56] <FatalException> i have a quirky question :]
[15:56] <bacteu> is it sfw?
[15:56] <FatalException> i have 8 cucumbers...
[15:57] <FatalException> no in all seriousness i need to get the wifi drivers setup for my pi model A which has no ethernet
[15:57] <FatalException> so i am wondering can i boot the sd volume in qemu and maybe do it that way?
[15:57] <bacteu> qemu is a pain in the ass
[15:58] <FatalException> i managed to boot qemu-system-arm with the sd volume and it loaded it
[15:58] <FatalException> but the login prompt seems wrong
[15:58] <FatalException> it says (none) login: and the usual pi / raspberry logs me in but then immediately logs meout
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[15:59] <bacteu> FatalException: I'd try the forums, this channel is awfully quiet today
[15:59] <FatalException> okies
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[16:01] <ryanteck> qemu is annoying me aswell. Trying to get it to emulate an x86 program on arm
[16:02] <Kevel> Lads
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[16:02] <Kevel> busy running an emulater (QEMU)
[16:02] <Kevel> is it ment to be this slow?
[16:03] <Kevel> the actual device when running?
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[16:06] <bacteu> Kevel: emulation will always be slower than the real thing
[16:08] <Triffid_Hunter> Kevel: yes. don't confuse true emulation with virtualisation
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[16:08] <Kevel> kk thanks
[16:08] <Kevel> i got pretty scared here for a second
[16:09] <Kevel> how can i set up SSH? is there a default name that rpi uses for a network location?
[16:09] <Kevel> this stupid emulater is like 640x480
[16:09] <Kevel> with massive icons
[16:09] <Kevel> freaking my beans.
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[16:12] <seba--> Kevel, ssh is set up by default
[16:12] <bacteu> Kevel: you can tell the pi to use a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces
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[16:13] <bacteu> otherwise it's dhcp by default
[16:13] <Kevel> thanks :3
[16:13] <Kevel> im only going to have a pi for maybe a week :(
[16:14] <bacteu> why's that?
[16:14] <Kevel> so going to mess around on an emulater for the mean time
[16:14] <Kevel> so no time wasted!
[16:14] <Kevel> it takes about a few weeks to ship one here (south africa)
[16:14] <Kevel> and its like 3x the cost
[16:14] <Kevel> after shipping and taxing and all sorts of added costing
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[16:15] <Kevel> and the one im using will be a borrowed device
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[16:27] <bacteu> mythos: sent your pi off to austria yet?
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[16:32] <mythos> bacteu, i live in austria... soo... yes! #D
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[16:34] <bacteu> mythos: cool
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[16:35] <Kevel> out of interest
[16:35] <Kevel> what OS's does everyone use on their pi?
[16:35] <mythos> everyone? uh...
[16:35] <Kevel> whats the most popular/supported OS?
[16:35] <bacteu> raspbian (debian) pisces r3
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[16:36] <neilr> RISC OS for the desktop, Raspbian for the server
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[16:36] <bacteu> Kevel: raspbian is very well supported and they have their own irc channel
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[16:37] <Kevel> bacteu: thanks :D
[16:38] <bacteu> Kevel: it's currently the recommended distro by the foundation ( although they have a history of flipping back on forth on that )
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[16:43] <mbduino> question
[16:44] <mbduino> who would be interested in selling me their raspberry pi 512MB edition for cheap OR trade for my 256MB that I'm about to throw in the garbage for its uber slowness running rails tests?
[16:44] <mbduino> because that's where it's headed
[16:45] <mbduino> anyways, if interested, send me a pm
[16:45] <mbduino> or the rpi 256MB dies!
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[16:45] <steve_rox> charming
[16:46] <eggy> that's how I feel abount my 256mb pi, though I'm not throwing it away. I upgraded to the 512MB model due to slowness ;)
[16:46] <Kevel> if people are so good at robotics, cant they upgrade their own pi to 1Gb+ ?
[16:47] <DDave> chipset limitation?
[16:47] <ReggieUK> it's got nothing to do with robotics
[16:47] <ReggieUK> and everything to do with there not being a suitable package to upgrade with
[16:47] <steve_rox> and did the 512 version have much of a difference?
[16:47] <Kevel> im not sure what line of work making computer chips and boards fall into
[16:47] <Twist-> cost/benefit analysis? they're $35.
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[16:47] <ReggieUK> that's *if* you could seperate the original ram from teh soc without destroying both
[16:48] <ReggieUK> it falls into electronics engineering and pcb manufacturing :)
[16:48] <Kevel> thanks :D
[16:48] <steve_rox> eggie , did the 512 give much of a improvement?
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[16:49] <bacteu> the 256mb pi makes for an excellent webserver
[16:49] <steve_rox> guess ill never know :P
[16:50] <ReggieUK> perhaps if you spelt his name correctly steve_rox?
[16:50] <eggy> yeah, it has improved my GUI experience quite a bit (overclocking might be also helping).
[16:50] <steve_rox> dunno i presed the autocomplete button and i assume the client could cope
[16:50] <eggy> my 256MB pi is a vpn/ssh server
[16:51] <ReggieUK> :)
[16:51] <steve_rox> i got mine playing some rtmp stream at moment
[16:51] <steve_rox> 256 ver
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[16:51] <steve_rox> seems hard to find good streams
[16:51] <eggy> because my DDWRT router lacks the memory to properly run openvpn.. bad things happen when I try =)
[16:51] <Kevel> has anyone managed to get a touch screen overlay working with their pi?
[16:52] <Kevel> that could be pretty cool
[16:52] <Kevel> :D
[16:52] <bacteu> Kevel: touchscreen and lxde?!
[16:52] <Kevel> make a mini Jarvis from Iron Man
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[16:52] <eggy> touch screen on the pi could be quite nifty
[16:52] <steve_rox> seems american tv stream news channels are somewhat more interesting than uk ones
[16:53] <IT_Sean> That's because the american ones are allowed to lie during so called "news"casts
[16:53] <steve_rox> ah
[16:54] <steve_rox> well we dont get to hear news on how bad the gov is screwing our country/us etc
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[16:54] <bacteu> steve_rox: fox news is run be republicans (who are anti-big government)
[16:54] <bacteu> *by
[16:55] <steve_rox> oh i havent found a stream address for that channel yet :-p
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[16:56] <steve_rox> i did find a website that listed many rtmp urls
[16:56] <steve_rox> so i created a sh file that would make omxplayer load em one by one
[16:56] <steve_rox> pitty is omxplayer freaked out
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[16:57] <steve_rox> some urls you input dont timeout/fail so it sits there doing nothing
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[17:10] <timatron> hey y'all???. I'm creating a wheezy img for distribution that is an auto video player / looper when the pi is turned on, its all done i'm just trying to package the img nicely to post online. I'm on a mac and every time i create the image i end up with a 16GB image (from a 16GB card), I never expanded the fs on the card, so is there a way to make a much smaller image so that it's easier to distribute? I haven't found very good
[17:10] <timatron> instructions anywhere online yet, anyone got a link to point me to? Thanks!
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[17:10] <timatron> FYI I used 2 raspberry pis for an art exhibition, they each played 1 hr videos that were ~25GB each constantly for a month and never failed!
[17:11] <timatron> not even overclocked!
[17:11] <DDave> timatron, you are dd'ing the whole drive instead of just the partition
[17:11] <timatron> yeah dave, but how do i get the two partitions?
[17:11] <timatron> ie the fat and the ext4?
[17:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> dd each partition seperatly
[17:12] <timatron> but that sucks for distribution
[17:12] <timatron> I'm trying to package it like the normal wheezy img
[17:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> ok - dd the drive but specify how many blocks tyou want to copy
[17:12] <timatron> ahh ic
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[17:12] <timatron> see where the final partition data ends?
[17:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes
[17:13] <timatron> is there a technical way to see where it ends or is it guess work?
[17:13] <timatron> I'm not much of a dd'er
[17:13] <timatron> ;)
[17:13] <timatron> appreciate the help btw, thx
[17:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> sudo fdisk -l
[17:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> should show where it ends
[17:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> work out end block from c=block size
[17:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> work out end block from block size
[17:14] <timatron> k, lemme start my ubuntu vm, one second
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[17:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> then do a couple of trial runs to see the size and make sure it work....
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[17:20] <nid0> er going back a bit if you want a full 16GB card image but in a small download, just gzip it
[17:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ but that wont work on a smaller card...
[17:21] <nid0> but do be aware that to write that 16GB image to a pi a user will need a 16GB card regardless of how much data is actually on it
[17:21] <nid0> you need to setup your image on a 1-2GB card if you want to just have a small image that can be written to a small card without doing any manual alterations to partitions
[17:22] <timatron> OH
[17:22] <timatron> i wonder since I already have my 16GB image, I could write it to the 2GB card
[17:22] <timatron> then image that
[17:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes he said he had not expaned his system so it still would be 2Gb
[17:22] <nid0> gzipping your 16GB image will make it very small as all the unused space will be reduced to (essentially) zero, but you still end up with an image that tries to write a 16GB partition
[17:22] <timatron> yeah
[17:23] <timatron> i want the img file to be < 2GB for distribution purposes and ease for others
[17:23] <timatron> I'm basically making this for other artists that want to use raspi but are scared
[17:23] <timatron> trying to give back a bit
[17:23] <timatron> I'm mostly a leech:)
[17:24] <timatron> i have a 2GB card, but its super sLOOOW, ill try the dd tricks with block size first
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[17:24] <nid0> then yeah as RaTTuS|BIG said you can do some jiggery pokery with the size of the dd to limit it to only what partitions are actually there, do each partition separately, or use a small card as a starting point :)
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[17:26] <timatron> okay ready for an fdisk dump...
[17:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> sort of something like sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=working.img bs=1M count=2048 <- that 2048 will need tuning ....
[17:28] <timatron> http://pastebin.com/UEubjcs1
[17:28] <timatron> yeah so how to guess the 2048?
[17:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> 1850 blocks ... may be the thing you need .....
[17:31] <nid0> yep, thats 1846 1GB blocks used
[17:31] <nid0> 1MB*
[17:31] <timatron> right right
[17:32] <timatron> so maybe go for 1900 just to be safe?
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[17:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> well yes - though 1850 should cover it .... I'm not sure what happens to a 2Gb or 4Gb or 64GB parition table on an sd card but you should be ok ... - try it and see
[17:35] <timatron> great, running...
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[17:36] <eggy> anybody use raspbmc?
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[17:51] <timatron> worked perfectly!
[17:51] <timatron> used 1850, wrote to .img, wrote back to a diff SD card, worked great
[17:51] <timatron> thX!
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[18:01] <timatron> compressed down to 641 MB
[18:01] <timatron> woohoo
[18:01] <timatron> thx yall
[18:01] <timatron> I'm putting up a post now, then ill put it out for others
[18:02] <Blueness|> thats a pretty big compression
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[18:44] <Kevel> i turn on my ssh and i still cant log in
[18:44] <Kevel> :(
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[18:47] <tdy_> if you're asking for help, you'll need to give some specifics...
[18:47] <Kevel> im using an emulater
[18:47] <Kevel> on win7
[18:47] <Kevel> trying to connect using putty
[18:47] <Kevel> im starting to think that this emu is useless
[18:47] <Kevel> :(
[18:47] <Kevel> cant even apt-get update without it error'ing
[18:48] <slm4996> Kevel you need to list a lot more specific information. What distribution are you using for starters
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[18:48] <Kevel> raspbian
[18:48] <Kevel> not sure what else you would need
[18:49] <Kevel> http://sourceforge.net/projects/rpiqemuwindows/
[18:49] <Kevel> using that :p
[18:50] <slm4996> and what is the error you get?
[18:51] <Kevel> with updating - not sure. something about files couldnt be found or something
[18:51] <Kevel> i first want to try get ssh running
[18:51] <Kevel> so i can relax infront of a different machine
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[18:52] <ExeciN> Kevel: Have you successfully connected via SSH?
[18:52] <Kevel> no :(
[18:53] <Kevel> sudo ip addr show gives me
[18:53] <Kevel> 1) lo
[18:53] <Kevel> 2) eth0
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[18:55] <ExeciN> Kevel: read this http://elinux.org/RPi_Remote_Access or this http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-6-using-ssh (or any other SSH tutorial)
[18:55] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, is it possible to make a clock signal with those chips ?
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[18:56] <Kevel> i can ssh into the emulator from within the emulator
[18:56] <Kevel> but not outside of the emulator
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[18:57] <Kevel> ExeciN: will give it a shot
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, hi.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, yes, sort of, but it won't be very stable.
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[18:58] <aaa801> im not sure if i need it yet
[18:58] <aaa801> going to attempt to read a ps2 memory card
[18:58] <aaa801> http://ngc.scorpei.com/guides/SD_adapter/images/pin_out.jpg
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[18:58] <gordonDrogon> I don't think you do - you putput the address, then toggle the strobes, set the read/write, then read the data, don't you?
[18:58] <aaa801> wait
[18:58] <aaa801> wrong pinout
[18:58] <aaa801> lol
[18:59] <aaa801> il bug you in a min :)
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> that looks like a clocked serial interface.
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> a bit like SPI...
[18:59] * aaa801 goes to salvage a ps2 thingy from his old ps2
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[19:05] <Gadgetoid> I clearly need to write more Pi tutorials, they're pretty much the only thing people care about on my blog, ha!
[19:06] <aaa801> if i was a screwdriver set where would i be ..
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> yea, me too.
[19:07] <steve_rox> tutorials can be nice
[19:07] <bacteu> Gadgetoid: I see 0 comments and 0 reactions for all your blog posts
[19:07] <aaa801> aha ofc id be under the sink, for for some reason
[19:07] <aaa801> and not in the toolbox
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[19:20] <gyeben> hi
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[19:23] <bacteu> hi
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[19:23] <aaa801> cant actualy find a dam pinout for the memory card
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[19:38] <zoktar> any suggestions on cloning/backing up a sdcard so that it may work with different sdcards ?
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[19:41] <wroberts1> hmm. i wonder if there is work going on for bcm2708 frame buffer page flip
[19:41] <wroberts1> (probably why X window aint so fast)
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[19:59] <aaa801> x windows are terrible due to blitting amoungst other things
[20:00] <aaa801> ok, salvaged the control and mmc port from the ps2
[20:01] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, http://www.hardwarebook.info/Sony_Playstation_Memory_Card
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[20:01] <Blueness|> that is pretty cool
[20:01] <Blueness|> what do you intend to do with it?
[20:01] <Blueness|> i love my old softmodded ps2 haha
[20:02] <aaa801> going to see if i can read data from the mmc
[20:03] <aaa801> ok gordonDrogon how do i give this thing a clock
[20:03] <aaa801> <jbit> the memory card and control pad will talk at 1hz
[20:03] <aaa801> <jbit> if you give it a 1hz clock :P
[20:03] <aaa801> <jbit> it also doesn't need to be a stable clock, so you can give it 100 clock pulses and then stop for a second
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[20:07] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, it's SPI.
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> you just connec it to the Pi's SPI interface.
[20:08] <aaa801> ok, ima need to go grab some more jumpers
[20:08] <aaa801> brb 20m
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> however it needs a really slow clock by the looks of it.
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[20:29] <Hodapp> muahahaha. Project team at Virginia Tech that I am in correspondence with for a contract at work is making use of Raspberry Pis in their system
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[20:47] <aaa801> back gordonDrogon
[20:47] <aaa801> maplin absultuly sucks for anything these days
[20:47] <aaa801> no freking female to female jumpers, no dam male to female jumpers
[20:48] <Torikun> Just setup my pi to use TinyTinyRSS to replace Google Reader!
[20:48] <aaa801> :3
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[21:26] <aaa801> ok worst soldering skills ever
[21:26] <aaa801> :D
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[21:28] <Blueness|> lol
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[21:30] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, yea, well that's maplin for you. they want to sell hifi & consumer goods.
[21:30] <aaa801> ok gordon, how i hook this thing up :P
[21:30] <aaa801> finaly got the dam connections soldered to the reader
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, well... firstly ... you know, this is a family friendly channel.......
[21:34] <aaa801> realy, dam ?
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> and although it could be argued that your use of that word is ok, it's rather often...
[21:34] <aaa801> its better then what i usauly say :3
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> I don't think I want to know!
[21:35] <aaa801> lol
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> so you are trying to hook up that PS memory card thing?
[21:36] <aaa801> aye
[21:36] <aaa801> http://www.hardwarebook.info/Sony_Playstation_Memory_Card
[21:36] <aaa801> ping 3 is nc
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[21:38] <gordonDrogon> ok. so are you going to write a program to bit-bang the data from it?
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> or use the Pi's SPI?
[21:38] <aaa801> pi spi
[21:38] <aaa801> seems easier
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> Do you know the protocol?
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[21:38] <aaa801> nope
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[21:39] <gordonDrogon> right.
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> So finding that out first might be helpful...
[21:39] <aaa801> http://psxmem.raphnet.net/
[21:39] <aaa801> this may help
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> your the one doing it, not me :)
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[21:40] <aaa801> :(
[21:40] <aaa801> http://pastebin.com/vdqBhATG
[21:40] <aaa801> thats for a parell interface to the card
[21:40] <aaa801> is it going to be similar ?
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> yes, that looks like it's bit-banging the pins though - that would work on the Pi.
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> you'll need to translate the code to digitalWrites though.
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[21:46] <zproc> is there any way to fix those "click" sounds on the audio output?
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> unplug it.
[21:47] <IT_Sean> zproc: There is.
[21:47] <zproc> yeaj
[21:47] <IT_Sean> ... use HDMI instead
[21:47] <zproc> yeah...
[21:47] <zproc> can't on this one
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[21:49] <Hodapp> use #4,372 that I never would have thought of using a Raspberry Pi for: http://usbip.sourceforge.net/
[21:49] <zproc> do you know if shairport could be use with pulseaudio?
[21:49] <zproc> used*
[21:49] <Hodapp> this team at Virginia Tech is trying to use a Raspberry Pi like a USB device server... apparently they have it working
[21:50] <Hodapp> problem is I need it to run fast enough to handle all data exchange with an Asus Xtion Pro Live and that might get tricky
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[21:55] <aaa801> *trying to figure out what this mystery ip is on his lan*
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[21:57] <malcom2073> Kick it off, and see who whines? :)
[21:57] <malcom2073> I do that occasionally
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[22:07] <trentg> Hello. Anybody here been able to run the latest Arch Linux Arm with qemu?
[22:08] <trentg> All the info I found was about an old version, which I did manage to get running...
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[22:08] <trentg> But it was so old updates failed and killed the whole thing.
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[22:09] <trentg> I'd like to run a vm or two on my desktop for distcc
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[22:11] <KiltedPi> Been trying to read up on interfacing for ages now. Didn't realise it might take this long! My solder iron is moaning at me from the background :)
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[22:11] <KiltedPi> is DO the same as SO?
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[22:12] <KiltedPi> Bought a newer version of an integrated circuit used in the example tutorial, unfortunately the pins out look very diff!
[22:13] <KiltedPi> I've got "SCK" "VCC" "SO" and "CS" on the circuit-
[22:14] <KiltedPi> Now, I reckon "DO"/"SCK" are "SO"/"CLK" from the old circuit... what VCC is, I don't have a clue!
[22:15] * KiltedPi is tired of reading the forums for an answer :(
[22:16] <bertrik> VCC is usually power
[22:16] <KiltedPi> I'd agree with that.
[22:16] <KiltedPi> Just think I wanted to hear someone else say it!
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[22:17] <KiltedPi> :)))
[22:17] <KiltedPi> The integrated circuit was $10!
[22:17] <KiltedPi> I don't want to fry it... Yet...
[22:17] <KiltedPi> Do you reckon SO=DO?
[22:17] <KiltedPi> It says - in fact-
[22:17] <KiltedPi> I'll link a pic of the circuit
[22:18] <KiltedPi> Apologies for long link: http://d4c027c89b30561298bd-484902fe60e1615dc83faa972a248000.r12.cf3.rackcdn.com/imagepicker/19/thumbs/max31855-breakout-board-onl.jpg
[22:18] <KiltedPi> thats a pic of my wee guy on me lap at the moment-
[22:19] <bertrik> just guessing, but DO could be data-out, SO could be slave-out, would that make sense for your chip/circuit?
[22:19] <KiltedPi> Oh!
[22:20] <KiltedPi> Its an SPI interface, yeah
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> SPI.
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> SCK - clock, SO Slave Out.
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> CS - with a bar over it - chip select.
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[22:21] <KiltedPi> it has a bar over it, yup
[22:21] <KiltedPi> Its knowing which relates to which on the pi is the problem
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> easy. clock to clock.
[22:21] <KiltedPi> like Slave out-
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> CS to one of the CS0 or CS1 pins.
[22:21] <KiltedPi> roger that.
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> SO - that's MISO - Master In Slave Out.
[22:22] <KiltedPi> VCC to 3.3v?
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[22:22] <KiltedPi> kk
[22:22] <KiltedPi> Right!
[22:22] <KiltedPi> I'll solder up now then...
[22:22] <KiltedPi> I think I've got my corresponding pins.
[22:22] <KiltedPi> And theres a pull-up resistor.
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> put the pins in a breadboard first.
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I need a socket for standard board pins...
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[22:29] <KiltedPi> I've got "SO -> MISO(pin 21)" "CS -> CE0(Pin 24)" "SCK -> SCKL(Pin 23)", the only one I'm unsure of now, is SCKL. I noticed there are two for clocking on the Rpi
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[22:29] <KiltedPi> Theres SDA/SCL, but I -think- they are for I2C interfacing, is that correct?
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[22:31] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> the I2C ones are next to the 3.3v pin.
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> the SPI ones are at the other end.
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> going fora Tea.
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[22:34] <KiltedPi> thnx!
[22:35] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: hey
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, yes?
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[22:43] <dansan> hey guys. Is there any reason why the Raspian image is fat16 and not ext2 or some such?
[22:45] <Draylor> isnt it just the boot partition thats fat
[22:45] <dansan> hmmm
[22:45] <Draylor> which is because thats what the pi expects/requires it to be
[22:45] <dansan> ahhh
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> the main partition is ext4
[22:45] <dansan> Well, the image is 1.8G or so
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> it's an image with 2 partitions in it.
[22:46] <dansan> ok, then maybe I'm doing this wrong.
[22:46] <dansan> oh, crap :(
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[22:46] <bertrik> KiltedPi: one important detail, are the voltages coming from the pi and the voltage expected by your chip compatible?
[22:46] <dansan> So is it intended to just be written directly to the device and not a partition then?
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[22:47] <dansan> as I'm not aware of any way to have multiple devices on a single partition w/o using LVM or some such...
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[22:47] <dansan> doh! that's what it is :(
[22:47] <dansan> that's wierd
[22:48] <Draylor> yeah, you're expected to dd it directly to a sd card
[22:48] <demure> anyone use Xnest?
[22:48] <dansan> So after I dd it over, I presume I just delete & re-add the parition and resizee2fs?
[22:48] <dansan> Draylor: ty :)
[22:48] <dansan> aww, but it uses the old DOS partition table, I presume that's required as well huh?
[22:49] <Draylor> it'll use the simplest version, to keep the size of the bootcode to a minimum
[22:50] <dansan> good point
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[22:50] <dansan> thanks for the help :)
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[22:52] <dansan> Has anybody here know much about any of the later high-res optical mouse sensors, like the ADNS-3080 & such? Mainly, what's the highest res sensor that can be obtained cheaply these days (w/o buying 1000 of them :)
[22:52] <dansan> ?
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[22:53] <dansan> This company called neobits has the 3090 for about $8 each, but with high shipping cost ($20 or so) and there appears to have been a lot of complaints about their service
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[22:57] <dansan> Also, if anybody knows of any good supplies for the older optical mouse senors, that would be nice too. I've found the 2610s for $3.50, but if there are any later models for around the same price, I would sure like to know. Probably not anybody on now that's played with these
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> dansan, just put the image on the SD card, then boot it. you'll get the option to resize, etc. on first boot.
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[22:57] <dansan> gordonDrogon: oh, ty :)
[22:58] <dansan> I'll just resize it now while I have it plugged into my desktop
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> dansan, is your desktop linux?
[22:58] <dansan> always
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> you might as well let the Pi do it.
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> it's got a script and everything.
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[22:59] <dansan> but that brings me to another question, can I have multiple OSes on the same SD card? More specifically of course, are the questions "do you have keyboard access at early boot?", etc.
[22:59] <dansan> multi-booting would be the only reason I would want to do it manually anyway
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> there is something that will let you multi-boot
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> forgotten what it's called now..
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> multiple SD cards is of-course another option!
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[23:00] <dansan> I should google before asking in irc anyway, sorry :)
[23:00] <dansan> yeah, and a very simple option too :)
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> I used multiple SDs when I was experimenting with the various Debians way back...
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> it just seemed easier.
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[23:05] <dansan> wow, this has a lot of differences from a PC linux system
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[23:11] <dansan> so what format is this "kernel.img" file in the boot partition? Is this is standard gzipped kernel image or something else?
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[23:11] <chod> berryboot
[23:11] <dansan> ahhhh
[23:12] <dansan> ty, I have something to google now :)
[23:12] <chod> np
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[23:12] <dansan> So if I want to build my own kernel, I need berryboot to convert it into whatever it's supposed to be then I'm guessing?
[23:12] <chod> berry boot is a multi boot option and installer
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[23:13] <chod> there is a berryio for a web gui of gpio lines
[23:13] <IncognitoMan> lovely....anyone else experience x crashing on rpi? ( segfaulting is more like it )
[23:13] <dansan> web gui of gpio lines? As in a GUI interface to the hardware?
[23:13] <chod> yup
[23:13] <dansan> strange
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[23:14] <chod> there is a DrGPIO for android to remote controll the gpio lines in a pi (with a an app gui) over a 'web' gui
[23:15] <chod> none have done SPI yet, but are script able so may take a look
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[23:16] <dansan> that's just wierd to me because I'm used to talking to hardware from within the kernel. Userspace is fine for some things (as long as it goes through a kernel driver that doesn't let you blow stuff up), but going to a web interface is just strange
[23:17] <dansan> it makes sense though, given the number of different things you can hook up
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[23:18] <Helldesk> you mean 'weird'
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> you can't really probe SPI like you can with I2C.
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[23:19] <gordonDrogon> dansan, people poke the Pi's hardware directly all the time - that's both good and bad.
[23:19] <dansan> strange, wierd, odd, etc. :)
[23:19] <Helldesk> you mean 'weird'
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> dansan, or there are libraries to help you do it - e.g. my wiringPi library.
[23:19] <dansan> oh, yeah, wieirieid
[23:19] <Helldesk> :)
[23:20] <dansan> gordonDrogon: yeah, well I'm not used to allowing normal users to do that type of thing. I guess I've reserved it in my mind as one of those "bad things", like when you have a batter driver that tries to check the power by putting a massive load on it for a split second, but if you leave it on too long, the battery goes unstable and catches fire or explodes
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> dansan, I can give you a command-line command that will blow up your Pi :)
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> dansan, this is the way it's done on the Pi...
[23:21] <dansan> yeah, exactly!
[23:21] <dansan> lmao!
[23:21] <dansan> that amazes me!!
[23:21] <Helldesk> man, pi malware
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> what's happened is that people are treating it like a spouped up microcontroller - which it's not, but that's not stopping people.
[23:21] <dansan> Helldesk: don't use an m$ product
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> people like me writing wiringPi for it ...
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> no more or less Pi malware than any other linux box - yet.
[23:22] <chod> command line that allows damage?
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> chod, potentially. the reaility is that it causes a reboot.
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> there is a GPIO pin shorted to ground on the Pi. if you make that pin an output and drive it to 3.3v then ... you've just shorted a gpio pin to ground..
[23:23] <dansan> gordonDrogon: yeah, well before I'm done, I intend to have most of my hardware iteraction happening in kernelspace
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> dansan, you'll be the first to do it.
[23:24] <dansan> that's wierd, why?
[23:24] <dansan> *wEird!
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> because people are treating it like a microcontroller.
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> they expect/want to be able to poke hardware from their programs.
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> so they do.
[23:24] <dansan> wow
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> and I (for my sins) help them.
[23:24] <dansan> lmao!!!!
[23:24] <chod> :D
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> ok - so the Pi has 8 GPIO pins - you want to connect one to an LED and make it flash - how would you do it?
[23:25] <dansan> I guess these kids today, they just poke hardware from userland, spoiled brats that they are
[23:25] <dansan> gordonDrogon: me personally?
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:26] <dansan> gordonDrogon: I would use 4 of them for an SPI interface to a wifi adapter that would communicate with an RF controller tank that would....
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> sure ...
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> this is how I'd do it: http://unicorn.drogon.net/blink.c
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> and I'd run that program with sudo.
[23:26] <dansan> gordonDrogon: no, seriously, if I wanted to make it quick and dirty, just stick a transistor (to buffer the TTL level signal) and have that go to a current limiting resistor, etc...
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> and that's how people are doing it on the Pi.
[23:26] <dansan> oh, in software!
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> of-course.
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[23:27] <anew> i'm using tightvnc to connect to my raspberry, but what port should i be trying to connect to ?
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> Pi its'nt TTL it's 3.3v however it can run an LED without any issues.
[23:27] <dansan> And to be honest, I don't know all of the kernel drivers for this stuff yet and what would have to be done to implement them in such a generic fashion. I've been studing that lately
[23:27] <chod> gordonDrogon: is wiringpi v2 'released' yet with examples?
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> chod, no - sorry. if I have time this weekend it'll be out then.
[23:28] <chod> np
[23:28] <dansan> gordonDrogon: yeah, it's 3.3v, but I didn't realize the GPIO pins could draw that much current
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> I think I'll make time...
[23:28] <chod> i was messing with beat
[23:28] <chod> doh
[23:28] <chod> beta
[23:28] <dansan> gordonDrogon: how much current can they pull up or down?
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> dansan, 16mA is the suggested max.
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> per pin.
[23:28] <dansan> wow
[23:28] <dansan> that's impressive for sure
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
[23:29] <dansan> nice, you've converted your pi into a flashlight! :)
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[23:30] <anew> oh i got it, you need to add :1
[23:30] <dansan> gordonDrogon: your WiringPi looks terribly disgusting. I may have to use it
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> dansan, it pleases people who come from arduino land...
[23:31] <dansan> gordonDrogon: it looks helpful for early proof-of-concept-ing (if I can really get away with hyphenating all of that)
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> there's no law against it...
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> you can also drive the I2C and SPI from userland too if you like. and the uart, but thats nothing special.
[23:32] <dansan> lol!
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> I originally had plans to write a /dev/ driver for the GPIO, but it was suggested that would be a bad thing..
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> however someone has gone and done it now (but I don't know anyone using it)
[23:33] <dansan> gordonDrogon: yeah, my brother and I are still in pretty early stages of this project, but I'm considering an external PIC to offload some of the very stupid types of things (polling optical sensors)
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> Linux uses the /sys/class/gpio interface ..
[23:33] <dansan> yeah, I was looking at those commits briefly
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> dansan, well you can vector interrupts into userland too...
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[23:34] <gordonDrogon> not that efficient - it maxes out at about 66K/sec.
[23:34] <dansan> what are vector interrupts?
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> it's something you do - you vector an interrupt into a function in your userland program.
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> like ISR on an atmega/pic
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[23:35] <dansan> oh! I gotcha
[23:35] <dansan> handling it in userland
[23:35] * dansan gets chills
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> well - Linux handles it and just passes it up the line.
[23:35] <bertrik> poll/select something like that?
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> yes, poll.
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> or select, but I use poll.
[23:35] <dansan> gordonDrogon: but surely it leave the context of the interrupt handler first, right? please?
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[23:36] <gordonDrogon> dansan, oh I don't know/care about that. I know it works. I start a pthread to handle it all, so your ISR is technically a thread...
[23:36] <dansan> however, the hardware I'm using is SPI and can't generate interrupts
[23:36] <dansan> that's trippy
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> the pi is spi master only...
[23:36] <IncognitoMan> http://pastebin.com/W8wc1JVs
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> IncognitoMan, wonder if you've a memory fault? overclocking?
[23:38] <dansan> that usually wouldn't generate a consistient failure though
[23:38] <dansan> well,I guess it could
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> I've seen realyl weird stuff when OCing a Pi.
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> so I don't anymore
[23:38] <IncognitoMan> iirc im not OC'ing pi
[23:39] <dansan> yeah, I've never OCed anything. I want stable :)
[23:39] * IncognitoMan checks
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> apt-get install memtester
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> and give that a go...
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> reboot with gpu-mem=16 or something to test more memory?
[23:39] <IncognitoMan> nope not overclocked
[23:39] <IncognitoMan> im on arch
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> a-ha...
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> er pacman flag-someting memtester?
[23:40] <IncognitoMan> -S
[23:41] <pksato> I want some time to do things with rpi gpio.
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> time... whats that then? :)
[23:41] <dansan> hey, what's a good soldering iron to use on altering surface mount stuff? My brother mentioned something about hot air soldering irons, but I thought I might ask you guys
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> I have a fine-tipped one - does the chunkier smt stuff ok.
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> probably going to get an air-gun for some other stuff. maybe.
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> after my old weller died, I bought a cheapie recently until I've worked out what I really want & can afford/justify...
[23:43] <dansan> I've never altered smt stuff before and we've gotta change these KIS-3R33S power supplies
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/weller.jpg alas poor weller, I knew it well..
[23:44] <dansan> Are the hot air guns expensive?
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> cheapest decent one I've seen is about ?90.
[23:44] <dansan> I take it that it served you well? :)
[23:44] <dansan> wow
[23:44] <dansan> that's about $130 US huh?
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> I had that for 35 years and it was 2nd hand when I bought it.
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[23:45] <DDave> gordonDrogon, older than I am
[23:45] <dansan> hah! they don't make stuff like that anymore. The share holders wont let them
[23:45] <DDave> Weeeeeeeeird xD
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[23:45] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> I'm 50...
[23:45] <DDave> But I have a weller at home myself, not too sure how old it is..
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> I'd have another, but they're reassuringly expensive.
[23:46] <IncognitoMan> gordonDrogon: what flags should i use with memtester
[23:46] <IncognitoMan> flags/options
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> IncognitoMan, just the memory size.
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[23:46] <gordonDrogon> IncognitoMan, memtester 200M
[23:47] <jbollden> Have I understood it correctly that this wifi will work in the onboard usb-ports http://thepihut.com/products/usb-wifi-adapter-for-the-raspberry-pi , without extra power?
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[23:47] <dansan> oh yeah, speaking of which, what is the max continuious amount of power you can draw from the USBs on the pi?
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> dansan, not much. use a powered hub.
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> there is about 300mA 'spare' on the +5v supply. Maybe 400 if you're lucky & have a good PSU.
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> Reb 1 Pi's have 140mA polyfuses on each of the USBs, Rev 2's don't.
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> IncognitoMan, remember to run it with sudo
[23:49] <jbollden> gordonDrogon: What about that wifi dongle?
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> jbollden, what about it? I've no idea - I don't run Wi-fi on my Pi.s
[23:50] <IncognitoMan> im running under root so no problems there
[23:50] <dansan> gordonDrogon: ty
[23:51] <eggy> idk why my wifi thingy works on raspbian; but not xmbc ;/
[23:51] <dansan> jbollden: It says it will draw <110mA, so as long as you don't have other loads that exceed your PSU, it *sounds* (to me) OK
[23:51] <jbollden> gordonDrogon: ah but since it says 110mA I were thinking that it would work, but I'm really not good when it comes to the hardware/electricity
[23:51] <jbollden> dansan: ah ok
[23:51] <pksato> IncognitoMan: you rpi have a Hynix memory? http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3534
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> jbollden, if it really only needs 110mA then it should work.
[23:52] <IncognitoMan> pksato: im on an old 256mb model
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> however, zed time for me.
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> laters.
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[23:56] <pksato> IncognitoMan: advice apply too 256MB rev. Always use latest firmware and kernel. Or, know working.
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