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[0:11] <dansan> So does berryboot have a normal Linux command-line interface somewhere?
[0:11] <dansan> that is, when running it on another computer (non-pi)?
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[0:16] <dansan> ok, this is just wierd. So how do I prepare a kernel image to be used by berryboot?
[0:17] <fr0g911> image writer?
[0:17] <dansan> what's image writer?
[0:17] <dansan> or is there a particular make target that I've overlooked perhaps?
[0:18] <fr0g911> waot berryboot for pi?
[0:18] <dansan> yeah, apparently that's what Raspbian uses?
[0:18] <fr0g911> sorry was thinking of something else i have no clue havent used it yet
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[0:19] <IncognitoMan> oh well
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[0:19] <IncognitoMan> pksato went away
[0:19] <IncognitoMan> its samsung
[0:20] <dansan> what's samsung?
[0:20] <fr0g911> whats wrong IncognitoMan
[0:20] <fr0g911> not loading the image on the samsung sd card?
[0:20] <IncognitoMan> nope
[0:20] <IncognitoMan> x crashing on arch
[0:21] <IncognitoMan> http://pastebin.com/W8wc1JVs
[0:21] <dansan> oh yeah
[0:21] <KiltedPi> How do you make it-
[0:21] <fr0g911> IncognitoMan
[0:21] <KiltedPi> So when a pi powers off-
[0:21] <fr0g911> Segmentation fault at address 0x5
[0:21] <KiltedPi> It boots back up again?
[0:22] <fr0g911> i had that same prob
[0:22] <fr0g911> on my samsung 32gb sd
[0:22] <dansan> ah hah! looks like this is a zImage
[0:22] <IncognitoMan> fr0g911: he was saying to look at the chip maker of the ram
[0:22] <IncognitoMan> which is samsung
[0:22] <fr0g911> and when i tryed to rewrite the image onto the card it would give me the Segmentation fault
[0:22] <IncognitoMan> the actual sd card is sandisk ( only buy sandisk )
[0:23] <fr0g911> awww
[0:23] <fr0g911> cause i know the work around for the sdcard lol
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[0:23] <fr0g911> wonder if it would work with the memory
[0:23] <fr0g911> write 00000 to the memory
[0:23] <fr0g911> well there is pksato
[0:24] <IncognitoMan> its samsung pksato
[0:24] * azeam is now known as azeam_afk
[0:25] <KiltedPi> Just out of curiosity, hardware nerds- Whats the blue 'bit' on this thermocouple circuit?
[0:25] <KiltedPi> http://www.alpha-crucis.com/3706-6209-thickbox/thermocouple-amplifier-max31855-breakout-board-max6675-upgrade-v10.jpg
[0:25] <KiltedPi> (Sorry for big URL link)
[0:26] <KiltedPi> I've got it on the one in my lap too, a wee green plastic bit.
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[0:26] <dansan> KiltedPi: the blue thing with the two screws in it?
[0:27] <KiltedPi> yeah!
[0:27] <Ben64> its where the magic smoke is kept
[0:27] <KiltedPi> Its a 'thermocouple resistor'
[0:27] <dansan> lmao!
[0:27] <KiltedPi> heh
[0:27] <KiltedPi> I'm just curious.
[0:27] <dansan> no, the blue thing is just a terminal -- where you connect wires to
[0:27] <KiltedPi> The circuit
[0:27] <Ben64> NO
[0:27] <Ben64> magic smoke repository
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[0:27] <dansan> lol!!!
[0:27] <KiltedPi> rly?
[0:27] <KiltedPi> Why wire there?
[0:28] <dansan> that way, you don't have to de-solder or have a connector -- you can just stick the stripped ends of your wires in and screw it tight and it's connected
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[0:28] <KiltedPi> Is it the-
[0:28] <dansan> I presume that it's to connect your thermocouple (or whatever that is at the end of the wire in the picture)
[0:28] <dansan> afk
[0:29] <KiltedPi> my integrated circuit is a bit different
[0:29] <KiltedPi> but that wee plastic bit is the same-
[0:29] <fr0g911> mine makes popcorn
[0:29] <KiltedPi> I've 5 pins in the IC.
[0:29] <KiltedPi> lol! i'm starting to think theres an 'in joke' here ?
[0:29] <KiltedPi> But those two pins-
[0:29] <KiltedPi> out the funny wee green bit of plastic-
[0:30] <KiltedPi> like, screw holes...
[0:30] <pksato> photo?
[0:30] <KiltedPi> Ach!
[0:30] <KiltedPi> its a bit blurry-
[0:30] <KiltedPi> I took one, but the circuit is dead small!
[0:30] <KiltedPi> i might be able to google one- one sec!
[0:31] <KiltedPi> Closest one I could find is this one: http://d4c027c89b30561298bd-484902fe60e1615dc83faa972a248000.r12.cf3.rackcdn.com/imagepicker/19/thumbs/max31855-breakout-board-onl.jpg
[0:31] <KiltedPi> The two wee pins on the right there-
[0:31] <KiltedPi> I bought a breakout version, thats all soldered up for me!
[0:31] <KiltedPi> Is that the temperature sensor?
[0:31] <KiltedPi> You think?
[0:31] <KiltedPi> That would make sense actually.
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[0:32] <KiltedPi> Cos the rest are definately all for SPI interface (Ground and 3.3v etc)
[0:32] <pksato> T+ and T- are to/from thermocopler
[0:32] <KiltedPi> T+ and T-
[0:32] <KiltedPi> yep!
[0:32] <KiltedPi> Gotta be hasn't it!
[0:32] <KiltedPi> :)
[0:32] <KiltedPi> I'm going to find out if we really went to the moon soon!
[0:33] * KiltedPi is aware that sounded weird
[0:33] * KiltedPi is sending up sensors on a weather balloon into near space eventually
[0:33] <pksato> you dont have a thermocouple?
[0:33] <KiltedPi> I don't even know what that is pksato! you mean my circuit?
[0:34] <KiltedPi> I have a thermocouple integrated circuit-
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[0:34] <KiltedPi> heh
[0:34] <pksato> thermocouple is a sensor.
[0:34] <KiltedPi> does it plug into my circuit?
[0:34] <KiltedPi> erk
[0:34] <pksato> yes
[0:34] <KiltedPi> righto!
[0:34] <KiltedPi> is it fiddly?
[0:35] <pksato> you have only a chip with adc and cold reference.
[0:35] <KiltedPi> What can I expect when I unscrew T+ and T-?
[0:35] <KiltedPi> Its not all going to pop apart is it? :/
[0:35] <pksato> a thermocouple.
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[0:35] <KiltedPi> underneath the plastic bit?
[0:36] <KiltedPi> I bought the circuit with parts soldered-
[0:36] <Ben64> what does a balloon have to do with the moon
[0:36] <KiltedPi> Radiation Ben!
[0:36] <pksato> http://www.alpha-crucis.com/3706-6209-thickbox/thermocouple-amplifier-max31855-breakout-board-max6675-upgrade-v10.jpg
[0:36] <Ben64> still not following
[0:36] <KiltedPi> I'm curious to see whats up there for myself!
[0:36] <Ben64> balloon won't reach the moon
[0:36] <KiltedPi> Unfortunately geiger counters are ??60 roughly
[0:36] <Ben64> camera on balloon wouldn't see the stuff on the moon
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[0:36] <KiltedPi> Thats right ben! But I can get it into the troposphere
[0:36] <pksato> on the end of orange cable have a thermocoupler
[0:36] <KiltedPi> 'near space'
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[0:37] <Ben64> it'd be easier to shoot a laser at the retroreflector
[0:37] <KiltedPi> it just looks like cable then, pksato?
[0:37] <KiltedPi> Thats true, but I want to know if men went to the moon, not lazers
[0:37] <KiltedPi> and mirrors
[0:38] <Ben64> but how does a balloon check for people
[0:38] <KiltedPi> To my knowledge, gamma radiation can penetrate 6 inches of lead
[0:38] <KiltedPi> And the only thing protecting the earth from it-
[0:38] <KiltedPi> is its electromagnetic 'shield'
[0:38] <pksato> thermocouplers are bimetalic junction, (see wikipedia for deatails).
[0:38] <KiltedPi> And the sun- pours gamma radiation out like crazy
[0:38] <KiltedPi> kk!
[0:38] <KiltedPi> Thanks pksato lol
[0:39] <KiltedPi> you probly saved me quite a lot of heartache there!
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[0:39] <Ben64> so you're gonna check how much radiation humans would encounter
[0:39] <KiltedPi> Sure am Ben64!
[0:39] <KiltedPi> And the temp
[0:39] <KiltedPi> I'm told it can get to -40 degrees in near space
[0:39] <Ben64> celcius or fahrenheit
[0:39] <KiltedPi> Will be difficult having the pi deal with that kind of condition
[0:40] <KiltedPi> Celcius I hope! I'm not sure! but think its probably celsius!
[0:40] <Ben64> :(
[0:40] <Ben64> you didn't get the joke
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[0:40] <KiltedPi> ah!
[0:40] <KiltedPi> hehe
[0:40] <Ben64> :)
[0:41] <KiltedPi> Well- I believe in doing things for myself. When someone tells me "I don't think we went to the moon" - I want to be able to reply with some knowledge of my own
[0:42] <Ben64> you could insulate it, maybe a low powered heater too
[0:42] <KiltedPi> The hypothesis is the radiation levels will be within human tolerance, but imagine they aren't! That makes a much better story!
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[0:42] <KiltedPi> Yeah, insulation is the way to go.
[0:42] <tonyhughes> Ben64 - is that like Ben10 a year away from retirement?
[0:42] <Ben64> actually...
[0:42] <KiltedPi> A chap sent a weather balloon up recently with a pi and camera
[0:42] <tonyhughes> I mean.... uhhhh... HI EVERYBODY
[0:42] <Ben64> the chip is -40C to +85C
[0:43] <Ben64> so.... might just work by itself
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[0:43] <KiltedPi> It seems silly not to stick a geiger counter on there too!
[0:43] <anew> i'm running a script on my pi, and i am using tmux to detach. every time i close my ssh session the script dies tho...
[0:43] <anew> anyone have any ideas ?
[0:43] <KiltedPi> the geiger tub component is sixty quid tho, and very fragile apparently
[0:43] <KiltedPi> Have BASH start it up when it reboots
[0:43] <Ben64> usually requires high voltage
[0:43] <KiltedPi> thats true as well, Ben!
[0:44] <KiltedPi> But- It'll only be operating a short while- the main problem is the temperature
[0:44] <KiltedPi> anew: BASH could re-initiate anything you wanted with just a few simple lines in config.txt if you are using Raspbian or any other linux kernel I suppose!
[0:44] <KiltedPi> oh wait- nm
[0:45] <KiltedPi> The script dies along with SSH
[0:45] <Ben64> anew: try screen
[0:45] <fr0g911> nohup sleep 3600 &
[0:45] <anew> isnt screen the same thing as tmux
[0:45] <Ben64> not literally the same, as they're different packages
[0:46] <Ben64> but i've never used tmux
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[0:46] <fr0g911> anew
[0:46] <Ben64> have yet to see anything that wouldn't work with screen
[0:46] <fr0g911> use nohup sshscript.sh &
[0:46] <fr0g911> exit
[0:47] <fr0g911> i think thats currect
[0:47] <anew> so i detach from tmux
[0:47] <anew> then type in nohup sshscript.sh &
[0:47] <anew> exit
[0:47] <anew> ?
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[0:48] <fr0g911> not sure tmux but when you enter ssh terminal run the ssh script using that command
[0:48] <anew> so if my script is called perl.pl
[0:48] <anew> nohup perl.pl &
[0:48] <anew> exit
[0:48] <anew> ?
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[0:49] <IncognitoMan> man i dont know anymore...
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[0:49] <fr0g911> dont you have to do like perl perl.pl
[0:49] <anew> right sorry
[0:50] <anew> so
[0:50] <anew> nohup perl perl.pl &
[0:50] <anew> exit
[0:50] <anew> will do that
[0:50] <anew> thx
[0:50] <fr0g911> yup
[0:50] <fr0g911> np
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[1:02] <KiltedPi> k! Ordered myself a cheap wee type t thermocouple cable/sensor
[1:02] <KiltedPi> thnx pksato
[1:02] <KiltedPi> Not bad!
[1:02] <KiltedPi> right... bed time
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[1:40] <timatron> hey y'all, so here is my post covering a new raspberry pi image I made that automatically plays a video and loops video files over and over and over again (great for artists in a gallery setting or kiosks or whatever) -> http://www.timschwartz.org/raspberry-pi-video-looper/
[1:41] <ParkerR> timatron, Should not ethat the mpeg key is optional
[1:41] <ParkerR> People may think they have to have it
[1:41] <ParkerR> *note that
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[1:42] <timatron> don't they need it for MPEG decoding?
[1:42] <timatron> ahh you mean if it was other video format
[1:43] <timatron> durrrr, the scripts I wrote are only for .mp* files
[1:43] <ParkerR> Yeah only if they plan on using a mpeg video
[1:43] <timatron> grr too true, but what else can play fast on raspi?
[1:43] <ParkerR> MPEG license isnt need for .mp4
[1:44] <timatron> true true
[1:44] <ParkerR> mp4 is most of the time h.264
[1:44] <ParkerR> Which the Pi does out of the box
[1:44] <timatron> right
[1:44] <timatron> I'll put a note in about decoding keys
[1:44] <timatron> thx
[1:44] <timatron> I guess if ppl want other video formats they can alter the script
[1:44] <timatron> its dead simple
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[1:47] <wroberts1> so how is GPIO 17 considered the "first" gpio pin?
[1:47] <timatron> Thanks for the feedback, I updated it
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[1:50] <wroberts1> looking at this https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[1:51] <bin_bash> hey all I have archlinux-arm running on my raspberry pi, and it's the image from the raspberry pi site. I'm trying to setup my wireless, but it doesn't seem to connect. I get: >WPA Authentication/Association Failed [FAILED]
[1:51] <bin_bash> I have the profile setuip
[1:51] <wroberts1> i wonder how 0 got associated with GPIO17 for example
[1:51] <bin_bash> I have an Airlink 101 wireless usb adapter (model AWLL5088) it uses the RTL8188CUS chipset, and I've been told it works.
[1:51] <bin_bash> Anyone have ay ideas?
[1:52] <pksato> no
[1:53] <ParkerR> bin_bash, It does
[1:53] <ParkerR> I have the same chipset
[1:53] <ParkerR> Where did you configyre wireless?
[1:53] <ParkerR> *configure
[1:54] <bin_bash> ParkerR, /etc/network.d/wpa_interface
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[1:54] <ParkerR> bin_bash, Paste the network section you added
[1:54] <ParkerR> Obviously censoring the password
[1:55] <bin_bash> i can't, no network connectivity
[1:55] <bin_bash> but basically
[1:55] <bin_bash> it's identical to the one there
[1:55] <bin_bash> except with my network name
[1:55] <bin_bash> and password
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[1:56] <bin_bash> ParkerR, that's the only thing changed
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[1:57] <ParkerR> bin_bash, I dont know whats there originally
[1:58] <bin_bash> oh
[1:58] <bin_bash> ParkerR, https://gitorious.org/archlinux-projects/netcfg/blobs/63e1e4c2155c17cea7ed80e83d5feae3a0e44fa5/examples/wireless-wpa
[1:59] <ParkerR> Huh ok thought it might be like wpa_supplicant but it isnt
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[2:45] <jkbbwr> Anyone know what I should remove to strip back all the desktop crap?
[2:46] <jkbbwr> and anything generally unnesisarry
[2:46] <bin_bash> what
[2:47] <jkbbwr> I want to strip out all the desktop and pre packaged stuff so I just have a ubuntu-server like image installed
[2:47] <bin_bash> uh
[2:47] <bin_bash> what distro are you using
[2:47] <jkbbwr> wheesy I think
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[2:47] <pksato> buy more big sd card.
[2:47] <bin_bash> what did it come with
[2:47] <bin_bash> just uninstall X and shit
[2:48] <jkbbwr> bin_bash: yea im just trying to find out exactly what it came with
[2:48] <pksato> dpkg -l
[2:48] <jkbbwr> danke
[2:48] <jkbbwr> ^^
[2:48] <pksato> and , remove all package start withx
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[3:23] <chrysanthemum> Hi all, just purchased a raspberry pi today -- and I'm very excited to try it out. I hooked up the mini-usb, plugged in the sd-card, and attached the hdmi to my tv. I see the "power" red light turn on, but get no video. Is there something i'm doing wrong?
[3:24] <Mixxit> does the activity light flash
[3:24] <chrysanthemum> no
[3:24] <Mixxit> id check your sd card is setup right
[3:24] <chrysanthemum> Only a steady red light
[3:24] <Mixxit> it should start flickering as it reads the card on bootup
[3:25] <chrysanthemum> Ok, i ordered it from adafruit, and i thought i selected the option with the operating system pre-installed. but maybe they sent me the wrong one
[3:25] <Mixxit> you could burn it to it again
[3:25] <chrysanthemum> I'll put it in my computer and see what's on it
[3:25] <Mixxit> you might not be able to if you are on windows
[3:25] <Mixxit> as the partitions might be ext3/4/linux
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[3:26] <Mixxit> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[3:26] <Mixxit> have a read of this :]
[3:26] <chrysanthemum> on a mac..
[3:27] <bin_bash> mac can't read ext either
[3:27] <chrysanthemum> ok, i have an ubuntu machine too.. i'll try that
[3:27] <pksato> chrysanthemum: you do it on exact order that you say?
[3:27] <Mixxit> okies have fun!
[3:28] <chrysanthemum> pksato, no??? 1 plug in sdcard, 2 plug in hdmi, 3 plug in power
[3:29] <pksato> chrysanthemum: sd have a one small (~60MB) fat partition, mac can read it.
[3:29] <chrysanthemum> sd drive looks empty
[3:30] <chrysanthemum> (on my mac)
[3:30] <pksato> preload sd?
[3:30] <chrysanthemum> i thought it was supposed to come that way
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[3:31] <pksato> or, empty? and free space are near nomial capacoty?
[3:31] <chrysanthemum> it looks empty, when i do an ls -hal on /Volumes/NO NAME (which is the sd card)
[3:32] <pksato> sorry. mistyped.
[3:33] <chrysanthemum> yes, the cards empty.. Ok that must be the problem. I will load OS on it -- thanks for help guys
[3:33] <pksato> downaload image from raspberry site. and transfer to sd.
[3:34] <eggy> sorry, but I do not see the point to pre-installed sd cards, raspbain gets updated pretty frequently.
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[3:36] <fr0g911> i agree eggy its just away for people to make some extra cash
[3:36] <chrysanthemum> eggy, yea -- i just did it because I wanted to get up and running fast, and it was like $5 more??? Understand its not that hard to install yoruself
[3:36] <chrysanthemum> but apparently, I didn't do it, or they ripped me off -- because it's empty
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[3:39] <bin_bash> chrysanthemum, you should check your pay slip
[3:39] <bin_bash> and if you paid for a pre-loaded card
[3:39] <bin_bash> you should ask for a refund
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[3:48] <chupacabra> fedora here just added rpmfusion repos and yum update wants to upgrade tons of stuff. is this ok?
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[3:51] <fr0g911> well i guess using the airlink wifi card for xbmc hd isnt worth anything
[3:51] <chupacabra> my airlink no workie
[3:51] <fr0g911> mine works just really slow
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[3:52] <fr0g911> have you by chance plugged the airlink into the top usb port
[3:52] <fr0g911> it blinks and such on the bottom port but doesnt work it does on the top for some reason
[3:53] <chupacabra> not it.
[3:53] <fr0g911> just too slow for hd
[3:53] <chupacabra> i know what you mean. i have my new one in top port
[3:53] <chupacabra> not airlink though
[3:54] <bin_bash> what distros are yall using
[3:54] <fr0g911> what wifi you using chupacabra is it good
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[3:56] <fr0g911> im using the raspbmc
[3:56] <bin_bash> how does it work with playing videos loaded from like a usb drive
[3:57] <fr0g911> have not tryed that for some reason i dont have any videos on anything lol
[3:57] <bin_bash> that's pretty much all i want to do with my raspberry pi
[3:58] <ParkerR> bin_bash, Should work just fine
[3:58] <fr0g911> long as the codecs are supported
[3:58] <bin_bash> I'd like to use Arch. Tomorrow I'm going to work more on getting it to work
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[4:01] <chrysanthemum> Ok, so i'm trying to load the img onto the sd card -- but i'm not having much luck. Keep getting permission denied. Any thoughts? http://pastebin.com/sqJuNpSB
[4:02] <bin_bash> you have to be root
[4:02] <Mixxit> sudo
[4:02] <bin_bash> also you're doing it wrong
[4:02] <chrysanthemum> I used sudo.. I pasted my line of commands / output in the pastebin
[4:02] <chrysanthemum> bin_bash.. i'm sure I am, I'm a noobie at this stuff...
[4:02] <bin_bash> bs=1m goes at the end
[4:03] <bin_bash> sudo dd if=/blah/blah.iso of=/dev/sdx bs=1m
[4:03] <pksato> I dont know how do it on mac OS,
[4:03] <bin_bash> that's how you do it on all *nix systems
[4:03] <chrysanthemum> ok, I don't think it matters where the bs goes, but i could be wrong..
[4:03] <bin_bash> or disk1 on os x
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[4:04] <chrysanthemum> didn't help though -- still get permission denied.. I think it's not unmounting it like it should
[4:04] <bin_bash> chrysanthemum, is it prompting you for your password
[4:04] <bin_bash> when you do sudo
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[4:05] <chrysanthemum> well it did the first time
[4:05] <pksato> chrysanthemum: try berryboot. no need special procedure to install. just a fat32 formated sd.
[4:06] <bin_bash> chrysanthemum, open up that gui frontend of disk utility
[4:06] <bin_bash> and see if you can unmount it from there
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[4:07] <pksato> http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot
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[4:07] <Mixxit> sudo dd bs=1m if=/Users/brian/Downloads/2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/disk1
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[4:08] <bin_bash> Mixxit, that's what he did
[4:08] <Mixxit> oh okey
[4:08] <bin_bash> lol
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[4:09] <pksato> try /dev/rdisk1
[4:09] <pksato> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5561
[4:09] <bin_bash> oh yeah
[4:09] <bin_bash> shit
[4:09] <bin_bash> lol
[4:09] <bin_bash> i forgot about that
[4:09] <bin_bash> t's rdisk
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[4:11] <pksato> or, write protected sd.
[4:11] <pksato> card reader not support this sd.
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[4:18] <chrysanthemum> i thought for sure blowing in the slot was gonna fix it
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[4:19] <chrysanthemum> ??? just tried blowing in there again -- now it looks like its writing it hahaha
[4:19] <chrysanthemum> holy temperamentalSdSlot.com
[4:19] <pksato> and try some one of http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Easiest_way
[4:19] <pksato> ah...
[4:20] <knoppies> chrysanthemum, dont get superstitious on us now. Could it be temperature related? Maybe some dust got in there?
[4:20] <chrysanthemum> knoppies, well it's weird.. apparently it's a thing. I read the thread that pksato posted.. and it worked for like 5 people in a row
[4:21] <chrysanthemum> (A thing on MacBooks apparently)
[4:24] <chrysanthemum> How long should this disk-copy take though? It seems hung.. unless it's supposed to take like 10 minutes..
[4:25] <ParkerR> Suposed to take a bit
[4:25] <bin_bash> it takes a while
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[4:27] <pksato> 10min to class4 sd
[4:27] <chrysanthemum> cool.
[4:27] <ParkerR> If Mac OSX has pkill you can run this in another terminal. It will print the current status in the terminal running dd "sudo pkill -USR1 dd"
[4:30] <chrysanthemum> doesn't have pill installed
[4:30] <chrysanthemum> pkill*
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[4:32] <ParkerR> Ahh ok then
[4:37] <fr0g911> is there away to see what network card is getting data like the wifi card or the onboard
[4:37] <fr0g911> i know ParkerR knows
[4:37] <fr0g911> lol
[4:39] <ParkerR> fr0g911, Maybe ifconfig. I think the Pi only uses one network at a time
[4:39] <ParkerR> So only one might have an IP address
[4:40] <fr0g911> hmm
[4:40] <fr0g911> eth0 has an ip and wlan0 has an ip
[4:40] <ParkerR> Hmm
[4:40] <DeliriumTremens> fight to the death
[4:40] <fr0g911> we we ?
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[4:41] <fr0g911> yeah but atleast i can tell witch one is downloading
[4:41] <fr0g911> kinda weird that they both got an ip
[4:41] <fr0g911> and both showup on the router
[4:42] <fr0g911> learn something new everyday
[4:42] <chrysanthemum> ParkerR, looks like 'sudo killall -INFO dd' gave me the information I wanted??? 1.6gb/1.8gb transfered
[4:42] <ParkerR> Nice
[4:45] <bin_bash> 1.6gb holy shit that's a huge iso.
[4:45] <chrysanthemum> bin_bash ? I hope i didn't do something wrong??? That was the '2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.img'
[4:45] <bin_bash> no i don't think you did
[4:46] <bin_bash> it's just i'm used to like 500mb isos
[4:46] <bin_bash> lol
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[4:46] <chrysanthemum> ok, first boot -- here we go *crosses fingers*
[4:47] * fr0g911 crosses fingers
[4:49] <fr0g911> nice godaddy 0.99 domains
[4:50] <bin_bash> wut rly
[4:50] <fr0g911> yes sir only .com's
[4:50] <bin_bash> shit that reminds me i have to pay for my vps
[4:50] <Ben64> too bad godaddy is crap
[4:50] <Blueness|> still annoyed by their initial sopa stance
[4:50] <Blueness|> lol
[4:51] <chrysanthemum> Good news is -- Booted up fine!.. Bad news is, I just realized somehow i don't own a usb keyboard.. doh!
[4:51] <Blueness|> doh indeed :)
[4:51] <bin_bash> they're not so bad
[4:52] <pksato> chrysanthemum: you not alone. :) I didi same.
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[4:53] <Ben64> its not like an extra $10 a year is a big deal to get a company that isn't a dick
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[5:02] <bin_bash> Ben64, yeah I use dynadot
[5:04] <netman87> hello. how can i read state of bit?
[5:04] <netman87> i have variable that is one byte (uint8_t)
[5:04] <netman87> i want to be able to read state of bit with id [0-7]
[5:05] <ReggieUK> use bitwise stuff :)
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[5:05] <netman87> how?
[5:05] <ReggieUK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitwise_operations_in_C
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[5:06] <ReggieUK> http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/bitwise_operators.html
[5:06] <netman87> cant you show me how to get that one bit? i mean i have my program fully working after that
[5:06] <ReggieUK> which one bit?
[5:06] <ReggieUK> you listed 8 of them
[5:06] <ReggieUK> 0-7
[5:06] <netman87> lets say 3
[5:07] <netman87> im editing code that store button values in bytes... each byte have 8 button states
[5:08] <netman87> so i need to be able to read those values by id of button.
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[5:08] <netman87> if you write example how i read bit number 3 i can do rest
[5:09] <ReggieUK> 00000100
[5:09] <ReggieUK> as in the 3rd one along?
[5:09] <ReggieUK> or 00001000
[5:10] <fr0g911> ok so i got a weird problem
[5:10] <ReggieUK> x = uint8_tValue & 4; //00000100
[5:11] <ReggieUK> x = uint8_tValue & 8; //00000100
[5:11] <ParkerR> Streaming my Xbox http://www.twitch.tv/parkerlreed
[5:11] <fr0g911> my pi keeps getting a static ip witch is in the wrong net 192.* and i have 10.*
[5:11] <fr0g911> what file do i edit to change that again
[5:12] <netman87> 3 should be 0001000 i think
[5:12] <netman87> maybe 00001000
[5:12] <netman87> doesnt matter for me
[5:12] <fr0g911> aww
[5:13] <netman87> okey i think i did get it
[5:13] <fr0g911> nvm i can use ifconfig forgot
[5:13] <netman87> fr0g911, how about you use /etc/network/interface or interfaces (cant remember)
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[5:13] <netman87> you can also make it have both ip's
[5:14] <netman87> just use eth0:0 eth0:1 and so on
[5:14] <netman87> you can get one from DHCP and have one static
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[5:14] <ReggieUK> netman87, basically if x > 0 the bit is set
[5:15] <fr0g911> yeah thats the file i was lookin for netman
[5:15] <netman87> fr0g911, im clad to be a help :)
[5:15] <ReggieUK> netman87, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4854207/get-a-specific-bit-from-byte
[5:15] <netman87> maybe "an"
[5:15] <ReggieUK> 2nd answer gives an explanation
[5:16] <netman87> ReggieUK, thank you really much :)
[5:16] <ReggieUK> you're welcome
[5:16] <netman87> i can offer you cup of coffee :)
[5:16] <netman87> well not today but 1.4. when i get some money
[5:17] <netman87> i think cup of coffee should be about good as time you did to explain it. it coffee cost 2-3eur
[5:17] <netman87> you did save about 15-30minutes of my time
[5:18] <ReggieUK> it's fine, I don't need payment
[5:18] <fr0g911> so arch doesnt have pico
[5:18] <fr0g911> ;(
[5:18] <ReggieUK> netman87, if you're messing around with drivers, bitwise coding is good to learn
[5:19] <ReggieUK> as it's used a lot for register manipulation
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[5:19] <netman87> ReggieUK, actually im reading about USB HID and rewriting something as to be little bit more what im seeking for.
[5:19] <ReggieUK> oh neat :)
[5:20] <netman87> i have atmega8u2 chip which is connected to xbee module (one that support about 100meter range)
[5:20] <ReggieUK> so v-usb?
[5:20] <ReggieUK> lufa?
[5:20] <netman87> im trying to modify usb firmware and example code to have different amount of buttons and axes and so on
[5:21] <netman87> lufa i think
[5:21] <netman87> i did just read about usb hid joystick and gamepad description data
[5:21] <netman87> did change that and some variables
[5:21] <ReggieUK> I've been digging around working out function calls and offsets for another arm board
[5:22] <netman87> then write most of example code that did just "toggle buttons"
[5:22] <fr0g911> aww netman for arch to use dhcp at boot its systemctl enable dhcpcd@eth0
[5:23] <fr0g911> i would of never guessed
[5:23] <netman87> heh. im working atm only with atmega8u2, atmega328p, atmega2560, msp430g2553 and TI stellaris... last one have chip that is arm cortex-f4 or somethin.. cant remember specific name
[5:23] <heathkid> dang netman87... how do you keep them all straight???
[5:23] <ReggieUK> it's been fun, trying to work out function/register calls from hex values, converting back to binary and a looking at a datasheet
[5:24] <ReggieUK> heathkid, probably by not using them all at once :D
[5:24] <netman87> fr0g911, o.O weird. i have only been using debian and debian based linux systems lately. before that i did use gentoo linux... i have also been using freebsd but not for years.
[5:24] <heathkid> my head explodes just trying to swich back and forth from the 32u4 and the ARM...
[5:25] <netman87> it was pretty fun to have freebsd laptops as desktop for years
[5:25] <ReggieUK> I'm not at that stage yet but it seems to me that once you've learnt a couple of avr/pic then arm boards, a lot of this stuff becomes quite easy because the workflow is quite similar
[5:25] <netman87> heathkid, energia ide and arduino ide.. and then good old avr-gcc, nano and avrdude :)
[5:26] <netman87> yeah programming becomes very easy when you have certain knowledge
[5:26] <ReggieUK> I've been doing all my stuff with gedit :D
[5:26] <netman87> actually i did start programming 16 years ago with 386 and Qbasic
[5:27] <netman87> im currently using windows 7 64bit as my desktop
[5:27] <netman87> im editing and compiling files mostly at my VPS which run debian
[5:27] <RiXtEr> anyone have a relay board pinout diagram.. also if I was hooking up 110v to it, would it be best to have the neutral or positive wire hooked into the relay ?
[5:27] <netman87> on desktop i do arduino ide and energia programming. but my knowledge is really small and i cant do "low level" at all
[5:28] * heathkid 's head just exploded again...
[5:28] <netman87> this year gonna be awesome
[5:28] <heathkid> where's my HandyBoard?
[5:28] <ReggieUK> if you drill through the arduino libs, you get to see why learning bitwise stuff becomes important
[5:29] <ReggieUK> although direct register manipulation and bitwise with avr can be a bit hairy setting up the devices, you get faster code
[5:29] <netman87> i did win almost 1000 eur from casinos... im going to build wireless joystick (with custom features for BF3) including case and some really neat 3D stuff
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[5:29] <netman87> also before june i will be flying my own quadrocopter
[5:30] * Xark links to http://pastebin.com/dSRSxgax to help illustrate ReggieUK's point. :)
[5:30] <heathkid> that's right... I switched to the FingerBoard II
[5:30] <ReggieUK> and smaller code of course, as you're not having to produce the whole lib just to wiggle a pin
[5:30] <netman87> quadrocopter will be using multiwii and after that i start studying ways to make my own software or modify others to pleasure my requirements
[5:30] <heathkid> oh, no one here does 68HC11 anymore? lol
[5:31] <ReggieUK> Xark, thats a very nice example, thank you :)
[5:31] <netman87> gonna be lots and lots of work but results gonna be so rewarding
[5:31] <Xark> ReggieUK: Yeah. I was surprised how bloated the IDE has gotten (I believe Leonardo support hurt it a lot, performance wise).
[5:31] <Xark> (or libs rather)
[5:32] <ReggieUK> I haven't done any work with avr for some time
[5:32] <ReggieUK> but arduino always struck me as a good way to get comfortable with mcus
[5:32] <heathkid> oh dear
[5:33] <ReggieUK> there are loads of people that get down on them for being easy but if you want to find out what all the basic subsystems on an mcu are, they will do that
[5:33] <heathkid> it's been a step backwards for more than a decade!
[5:33] <ReggieUK> I don't think that's true at all :)
[5:33] <Xark> ReggieUK: Absolutely. Once you "care" about performance, you are probably hooked. One of Arduino's main strengths is people don't realize that it is actually just C++ (which seems scary). :)
[5:33] <heathkid> but I have to admit they DO work
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[5:33] <netman87> ReggieUK, actually im going to work with arduino ide and "arduino functions" until i hit limit of 30000 bytes
[5:34] <heathkid> so no one needs 32-bit floating point math?
[5:34] <netman87> after that i just need to break my code in pieces and start rewriting them in "native" way
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[5:34] <ReggieUK> a channel like this is a really good place to spread the word though don't you think?
[5:34] <heathkid> this is like 1977 all over again...
[5:34] <ReggieUK> arduino is great for getting people involved
[5:34] <netman87> that will give me actually only more space (and work to make sure its safe)
[5:34] <ReggieUK> it's not scary like an avr dev board
[5:34] <heathkid> the RPi isn't scary either
[5:35] <ReggieUK> indeed it isn't :)
[5:35] <Xark> heathkid: You have floating point and 32-bit math on Arduino (just not with performance too). :)
[5:35] <ReggieUK> it's surprising what can be squeezed out of an arduino
[5:36] <ReggieUK> and essentially, with the pi and eclipse, you're getting a big fat self-programming arduino :)
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[5:37] <netman87> arduino can be pretty awesome. its easy, fast (for developement) and pretty safe. but it can also be pretty fast (enough to do lots of stuff) and versatile.
[5:38] <ReggieUK> yup
[5:38] <Xark> ReggieUK: Have you run Eclipse on the RPi? I am curious how usable it is. I tried the Arduino IDE and it wasn't too usable (but I think that was before the newer RPi optimized Java was out....I should try again).
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[5:38] <ReggieUK> you don't need to understand how to manipulate registers to make decent functional things
[5:38] <Kubius> hi there
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[5:38] <netman87> i think arduino let people have easy way to make something out of their ideas and test it... get result and maybe they will have "power" to make their idea into the reality
[5:38] <ReggieUK> exactly
[5:39] <ReggieUK> and the pi is really filling a same kind of niche I feel
[5:39] <Xark> ReggieUK: Yeah, if you need networking (or HDMI) then Pi is probably a better choice (but for motors and other timing sensitive things, perhaps Arduino or both).
[5:39] <netman87> i have problems trying to study everything i need to do stuff. with arduino and msp430 and little help and reading i have been able to little by little study more and now it can pretty easily make some of my ideas more into reality.
[5:39] <Kubius> I'm attempting to run "slashem" - nethack variant - and it's coming up with an error "cannot write scoreboard file record" - it seems to be looking for a file that does not exist - does anyone share / know a solution to this problem
[5:40] <netman87> my usb joystick gonna be so freaking awesome. i just dont want to share my idea before i have working prototype. every part ordered already. just waiting for them. i even have polymorph so i can make my custom case with handmade desings
[5:41] <ReggieUK> I would say both
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[5:41] <ReggieUK> the pi is just asking for any mcu to be added to it
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[5:41] <ReggieUK> whether it's just an i2c acellerometer, avr, pic, fpga
[5:41] <netman87> Kubius custom boards with atmegas on them :)
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[5:42] <ReggieUK> the stm32F boards are pretty neat
[5:42] <ReggieUK> cheap as chips with loads of peripherals on them
[5:43] <netman87> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nOlq02scRc <- im going to make wireless joystick!! im sure i will get whole project sold to my friends site i mean article about creating it
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[5:44] <netman87> if someone is interested in computer modding... metku.net is where is some really cool articles
[5:44] <netman87> this is my favorite mod -> http://metku.net/index.html?path=mods/whiskypc/index_eng
[5:44] <ReggieUK> not sure I'd make a whole joystick from polymorph
[5:45] <netman87> i wanted to make one for myself too.. but now days i think small pc is too mainstream
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[5:45] <netman87> reggieuk proto just gonna have it to make grips and so on. i did order pistol grip to use as base for casing
[5:46] <netman87> case -> casing?
[5:46] <ReggieUK> I know someone else that's got a mpu6050
[5:46] <netman87> but polymorph can be pretty good to make prototypes. you just cant use it everywhere
[5:46] <ReggieUK> that's going to make a bluetooth stick
[5:47] <ReggieUK> I wonder if you could do headtracking
[5:47] <netman87> yeah its possible
[5:47] <netman87> but problem was that i did use it as mouse
[5:47] <netman87> so i needed to turn it over 360 degrees sometimes
[5:47] <netman87> and human hand cant really do that with single movement
[5:48] <netman87> it was only good for sniping as mouse movements
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[5:50] <netman87> but i have some good ideas to overcome that. one is to make it act as joystick. it will also give me possiblity to make it detected on any windows pc,mac or linux pc and work without external drivers
[5:50] <netman87> but reading those usb hid datasheets i did get few more ideas
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[5:51] <netman87> actually if you have it work as joystick.. you see enemy on corner so you instantly raise "gun" (joystick) and start aiming to enemy. that movement makes enemy go to center of screen if you keep your aim at it
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[5:52] <netman87> having enemy at center and having joystick making your character move slowly at enemy (not letting escape) and toggle aim-mode (automatically coz of changed position) you should have enemy as big target on your screen
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[5:53] <netman87> and with that and awesome resolution of sensor (fast and really sharp movements) you should get pretty easy headshot or atleast freaking easy hit
[5:54] <netman87> i think its pretty working as idea. i hope i can test it out soon
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[6:01] <netman87> omg, its morning
[6:01] <netman87> i just wanted to get one test with joystick done before going to sleep
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[8:48] <gordonDrogon> morning ...
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[9:40] <Gadgetoid> If anyone has visited my blog in the last week or so, and has been presented with godawful text-link ads for stupid irrelevant blog posts under the Disqus comments section. Might I offer my apologies!
[9:40] <Gadgetoid> The ad quality was abysmal, and I've turned them off!
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[9:46] <Draylor> i support one of the 2 people in the world that dont use adblock might've visited :)
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[9:48] <Gadgetoid> Draylor: made me a whole 3 cents!
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[9:51] <gordonDrogon> I think hostery blocks that disqus stuff.
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> er, Ghostery.
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> I run Ghostery, Adblock, flashblock. don't run noscript though - maybe one day.
[9:52] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I suspect a lot of my readership would partake of such blockers, but Disqus is so shiny!
[9:52] <Draylor> \o/
[9:53] <Draylor> dont spend it all at once
[9:53] <bacteu> Gadgetoid: disqus is a god awful system anyway
[9:53] <Gadgetoid> bacteu: it's either that, or hand-roll my own??? which would be even more god awful
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> I've decided against ads. on my websites for now.
[9:53] <bacteu> gordonDrogon: personal blogs shouldn't have ads
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> I've thought about it, and youtube keeps suggesting I turn on ads.
[9:54] <Gadgetoid> I've always been open to basic ads on Gadgetoid.com, but I'm trying to keep them away from pi.gadgetoid.com
[9:54] <bacteu> gordonDrogon: you'd be creating the content because you enjoy it, not because you want to make a profit
[9:54] <Gadgetoid> bacteu: It's hard to say no to effectively free money
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> bacteu, well - it turns out I'm creating content and making profit...
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> and I'm self-employed, so it's a weird sort of situation.
[9:55] <bacteu> my site currently has neither content nor ads
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> I never intended it, but my blog, postings, etc. seem to generate me a nice little stream of paid-for work...
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[9:55] <Gadgetoid> No such luck with mine yet gordonDrogon, still got a lot to learn evidently!
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'm just lucky.
[9:56] <Gadgetoid> I might have to take an OU degree
[9:56] <bacteu> neilr: rdns?
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[9:56] <gordonDrogon> I can't give up the day-job (whatever that is) yet though.
[9:56] <neilr> bacteu:rdns?
[9:56] <bacteu> neilr: your hostname looks like a ptr record
[9:57] <neilr> Ah, right. My ISP looks after delegation of my rdns.
[9:57] <neilr> I can probably change it if I want to, as it's a static address
[9:57] <bacteu> I don't think it is set up correctly
[9:57] <neilr> That would be very unusual for my ISP
[9:57] <gordonDrogon> one of these days I'll setup reverse for all my IPv6 ranges too...
[9:57] <Tachyon`> that might take some time
[9:58] <bacteu> gordonDrogon: would you reverse your ipv6 by hand?
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> bacteu, I've no idea.
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> but I suspect I'll only add entries for the IP's I actually use.
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> which out of the billions they've given me is a few dozen...
[10:00] <Tachyon`> the number of addresses in an IPv6 block, you'd die of old age before finishing if you did them individually
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[10:02] <gordonDrogon> well quite. which is why I'll only add the ones I use...
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[10:02] <gordonDrogon> so no different to the ipv4 ones I manage.
[10:02] <Gadgetoid> Wonder if I could set my Pi up to use ipv6
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> my Pi's are all running ipv6.
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> modprobe ipv6 and you're there.
[10:03] <bacteu> so does ipv6 skip nat?
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> why it's not in the kernel, I've no idea. I add it into /etc/modules on my Pi's.
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> bacteu, you can NAT with IPv6, but really you shouldn't ever need to.
[10:03] <chithead> you can do nat with ipv6, it is just not standardized
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[10:04] <neilr> http://clueless.aaisp.net.uk/help.html
[10:04] <neilr> There you go - that's how my rdns is setup
[10:04] <chithead> there are valid reasons why someone would want to do nat with ipv6. but nat is the devil according to some, so it must be banned
[10:04] <bacteu> gordonDrogon: so a couple years down the line when everything uses ipv6 you can just plug a device in and it will get full access without forwarding ports?
[10:05] <Tachyon`> I Dunno about that
[10:05] <Tachyon`> there's valid reasons for a firewall
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[10:05] <Tachyon`> a NAT, I can't really think why you'd need one with that number of individual addresses
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> bacteu, that's the idea. However firewallws will always be a good diea.
[10:06] <bacteu> how many addresses would a comsumer router be given?
[10:06] <chithead> ipv6 specifies that you get at least a /64
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> so one of my Pi's currently has 2001:4d48:ad51:8901:ba27:ebff:fea5:16f6/64 but it's not pingable thanks to the firewall.
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> I have a /56 at home and a /48 in the datacentre.
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[10:06] <bacteu> what port does ping use?
[10:07] <chithead> ping is using icmp which has no ports
[10:07] <Tachyon`> actually
[10:07] <Nik05> it does
[10:07] <Tachyon`> I think there is a port assigned for ping of some sort, echo
[10:07] <Tachyon`> somewhere below 21, I'd have to look
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[10:08] <bacteu> gordonDrogon: how many addresses is ipv6 /64?
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[10:08] <gordonDrogon> lots.
[10:08] <Tachyon`> ah yes, port 7
[10:08] <neilr> ping uses icmp, which doesn't have port assignments. The old echo service *used* to use a low port (7 I think)
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> 18446744073709551616
[10:08] <rikkib> ICMP port 1
[10:09] <bacteu> gordonDrogon: and ipv6 can support millions of consumer routers being given 18446744073709551616 each?
[10:09] <Tachyon`> more
[10:09] <Tachyon`> many more
[10:09] <Tachyon`> with ipv6 you could assign a fair block of addresses to every star in the universe
[10:10] <Tachyon`> I don't think they wanted to risk running out again, lol
[10:10] <rikkib> /etc/protocols
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> max; ipv6 addresses: 340282366920938463463374607431768211456
[10:11] <Tachyon`> are you using bc?
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> yes :)
[10:11] <Tachyon`> ah, thought so, lol
[10:11] <Nik05> dc is better! :D
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> it's been my standard desk calculator forever.
[10:12] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, I don't think hand-rolling my own comments system would be a productive use of time??? therefore people can Disqus or just email me!
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> Nik05, otherway round dc is.
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[10:12] <Nik05> what?
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> dc is rpn
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> 2 128 ^ p - instead of 2^128<enter>
[10:14] <Nik05> yeah yeah i know ;)
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[10:21] <Tachyon`> ahh, no more james herbert -.-
[10:21] <Tachyon`> seems sort of fitting that he should be buried and eaten by rats
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[10:24] <gordonDrogon> or ashes blown in the fog ...
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[10:32] <Gadgetoid> Interesting, Cloudflare can automatically provide ipv6 access for my blog??? little redundant
[10:34] <bacteu> cloudflare is taking over
[10:34] <bacteu> it's everywhere
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[10:34] <Gadgetoid> bacteu: Well it's certainly between my Pi and the internet, otherwise my blog traffic would cripple it
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[11:59] <gordonDrogon> so, an initial flurry, then a quiet old morning :)
[12:01] <Kevel> Guys
[12:01] <Kevel> I got hold of a pi class B
[12:01] <Kevel> but i have no monitor to plug it into (well, no HDMI cable)
[12:02] <Kevel> and i cant access it via ssh (i have to completely reinstall the device)
[12:02] <Kevel> what shall i do?
[12:02] * Kevel slaps gordonDrogon around a bit with a lrge piece of pie
[12:02] <ShiftPlusOne> why no ssh?
[12:02] <ShiftPlusOne> and do you have a usb uart adapter?
[12:03] <Kevel> the owner got rid of the raspbian os or something
[12:03] <Kevel> i have no idea what he has done
[12:03] <Kevel> "it doesnt work, here u play with it"
[12:03] <Kevel> aurt?
[12:03] <Jck_true> Just flash the latest raspbian and go from there?
[12:03] <Jck_true> It has SSH enabled by defaultt
[12:03] <Kevel> Jck_true: how
[12:03] <Kevel> LAN cable plugged in
[12:04] <Kevel> it should be on the network
[12:04] <Kevel> _should_
[12:04] <Jck_true> Kevel: http://raspberrypi.org/downloads/
[12:04] <ShiftPlusOne> follow the instructions on the official website
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> Kevel, yes - just connect it to LAN and ssh in ...
[12:04] <ShiftPlusOne> that's why they have the quickstart guide... and the wiki is there too.
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> (and it's a Model B, pedantic, but that's what it its)
[12:06] <Kevel> busy downloading
[12:06] <Kevel> ideas to try ssh in currently 'setup' device?
[12:07] <Kevel> my router picks up 10.0.0.5 and .3
[12:07] <ShiftPlusOne> if it's set up then ssh should just work
[12:07] <Kevel> as unknown devices
[12:07] <Kevel> but i cant ssh into either of those IP's[A
[12:07] <ShiftPlusOne> do you get asked for a password or is the connection refused?
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[12:09] <Kevel> completely refused
[12:09] <Kevel> its actually acting as if it doesnt exist
[12:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Are you sure it's actually booting?
[12:09] <Jck_true> Does all 5 LED's light up on the board
[12:09] <Kevel> i wouldnt know how to tell
[12:09] <Kevel> it has a casing
[12:09] <Kevel> -.-
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[12:10] <ShiftPlusOne> so crack it open
[12:12] <Kevel> how the f
[12:12] <Jck_true> Hammer + Chisel
[12:12] <Kevel> HAHA
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[12:12] <Kevel> done
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[12:13] <ShiftPlusOne> What happens with the light when you power it up?
[12:13] <Kevel> 4 lights
[12:13] <Kevel> ACT doesnt show
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[12:14] <Jck_true> Does the Green Light Flash?
[12:15] <Kevel> could u be a little more specific
[12:15] <Kevel> please
[12:15] <Kevel> im colourblind
[12:15] <ShiftPlusOne> kevel, provide all the information. "4 lights" doesn't mean anything.
[12:15] <Kevel> i cant tell yellow from green
[12:15] <Kevel> ok
[12:15] <Jck_true> Oh-- The top one - Closet to the audio jack
[12:15] <Kevel> i see there are 5 lights ontop of eachother
[12:15] <Kevel> 100 is on
[12:15] <Kevel> LNK is on
[12:16] <Kevel> FDX is on
[12:16] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, so it's booted and the network is up
[12:16] <Kevel> PWR is on
[12:16] <Kevel> ACT is off
[12:16] <Jck_true> ACT should flash occasionally - (Shows SD card activity)
[12:16] <ShiftPlusOne> I suppose it wouldn't if it's fully booted and not doing anything.
[12:16] <Kevel> when installing raspbian, it installs to the device or SD?
[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> SD
[12:17] <Jck_true> To the SD card
[12:18] <Kevel> hmph
[12:18] <Jck_true> I would just flash the latest version - He could have disabled SSH - Borked up all kinds of stuff
[12:18] <ShiftPlusOne> +1
[12:20] <Kevel> yeah - busy downloading that now
[12:20] <Kevel> taking its time
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[12:22] <j3> hi there
[12:22] <j3> is there a way to fully crypt a raspberry pis sd card when using debian?
[12:23] <ShiftPlusOne> not fully. The boot partition won't be encrypted, but you can encrypt the rootfs
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[12:25] <gordonDrogon> at the expense of making it even slower...
[12:26] <mgottschlag> hm, I wonder whether it would be possible to offload encryption and sd I/O completely to the videocore...
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[12:26] <Jck_true> I had a simple script that compared the serial number with a license file on the boot partion... No encryption but it keeps people from swapping cards to another PI and have it boot...
[12:27] <Jck_true> (Without a little effort)
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[12:43] <sha0> So is there a _tiny_ little Linux distro that does no more than boot the unit, set a hard-coded IP, leave an SSH service running, out of the box?
[12:43] <Jck_true> archlinux ?
[12:43] <Kevel> anyone experience overheating?
[12:43] <sha0> Jck_true: Ok, cool. What's the IP?
[12:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Kevel, no, the pi is unable to generate that much heat without you tweaking the config specifically for that purpose. If your pi randomly reboots, it's a manufacturing issue and you should get it replaced.
[12:45] <Kevel> thanks :D
[12:45] <- *sha0* help
[12:45] <sha0> RaspberryPiBot: commands
[12:46] <ShiftPlusOne> sha0, just a logging bot
[12:46] <sha0> ShiftPlusOne: Ok. :)
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[12:46] <Jck_true> sha0: Oh - By default it still has DHCP enabled..
[12:46] <sha0> Jck_true: Ah, that's good enough, I suppose. I guess the username and password are documented somewhere?
[12:47] <Jck_true> Yeah on the download page root/root
[12:47] <sha0> Jck_true: Thanks, then.
[12:48] <ShiftPlusOne> might not be what you're after. Arch is far from tiny when compared to distros which are actually designed to be tiny.
[12:48] <sha0> root:root / for the home team, if they don't win, it's a shame.
[12:49] <sha0> ShiftPlusOne: Yeah normally a nice BusyBox initramfs does nicely, but last time I tried rolling my own, ran into some unexpected challenges. I thought perhaps someone here might've invested some time into such a thing.
[12:49] <Kevel> whats the ssh default password? :|
[12:49] <Kevel> and username?
[12:49] <ShiftPlusOne> You can build one with buildroot quite easily
[12:49] <Jck_true> pi / raspberry
[12:51] <sha0> ShiftPlusOne: Oh. I thought that was for building an initramfs that's still expected to overmount root with a local/network filesystem. It happily runs from rootfs and doesn't go looking for more OS?
[12:52] <ShiftPlusOne> not by default, no.
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[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> wait... I misread the last part. Yes, it happily runs by default without looking for anything else
[12:56] <Kevel> i can only connect via ssh to the pis IP and not its name
[12:56] <Kevel> without a router i am hopeless at findings its IP
[12:56] <Kevel> if i were to go somewhere with it
[12:56] <Kevel> wutdo?
[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Though if you wanted to customize it to and make it do whatever else, you can do that too since it's very flexible. The downside of that is that it breaks easily if you misconfigure it.
[12:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Kevel, it has a default hostname (raspberrypi)
[12:57] <sha0> ShiftPlusOne: Oh, ok. I'd better reread about it. Thanks.
[12:58] <Kevel> ShiftPlusOne: ove troed tjat
[12:58] <Kevel> *ive ttried that
[12:58] <dreamreal> Kevel: what's the issue?
[12:58] <sha0> How could its hostname possibly be used unless it registers with DNS? By using Bonjour/Avahi/Zeroconf/mDNS?
[12:59] <Kevel> dreamreal: can connect to SSH via IP, not via device name
[12:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Kevel, .... I should stop answering questions for today. Misread your problem there too. Yeah, no idea... in similar discussions, I've seen people recommend avahi.
[12:59] * sha0 would not expect hostname to work.
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[12:59] <sha0> Kevel: If you use Avahi on the unit, whichever host you're connecting from will also need to speak Bonjour.
[12:59] <Kevel> sha0: why wont the hostname work?
[13:00] <sha0> Kevel: How do hostnames resolve? With DNS. Does your DNS server know the hostname-to-IP mapping for the unit?
[13:00] <Kevel> Lol
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[13:00] <dreamreal> Kevel: under what conditions? Where did you set the device name?
[13:00] <Kevel> My current setup is
[13:00] <ShiftPlusOne> sha0, as far as I understand it, it's a router feature.
[13:00] <Kevel> Laptop -> router via wireless
[13:01] <Kevel> pi -> router via ethernet
[13:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I can ping my pi with 'ping raspberrypi' just fine.
[13:01] <Kevel> all on 10.0.0.*
[13:01] <Kevel> the pi is .9
[13:01] <Kevel> the router lists it as such
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[13:01] <dreamreal> Kevel: is the router running DNS? Did you set the DNS name of the pi in the router?
[13:01] <Kevel> along with its hostname "raspberrypi"
[13:01] <dreamreal> well, the name isn't necessarily set for DNS just because the router lists it that way
[13:02] <Kevel> hmm
[13:02] <sha0> ShiftPlusOne: As mentioned, if it registers with DNS, all is well. My expectations for a DNS service allowing registrations are pretty low, though. :)
[13:02] <Kevel> yeah i cant ping its hostname
[13:02] <Kevel> but i can its IP
[13:02] <Kevel> =(
[13:03] <Kevel> this makes me sad
[13:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I am clueless networks and half asleep, so I'll let myself out.
[13:03] <sha0> Kevel: It's not really a limitation of the device.
[13:03] <dreamreal> Kevel: so use dns. Or set the hostname on the laptop.
[13:03] <dreamreal> This is actually very normal.
[13:03] <dreamreal> You may also be able to use WINS to do it, but yuck
[13:03] <Kevel> dreamreal: how could i set the hostname on the laptop?
[13:03] <dreamreal> Kevel: what OS are you using on the laptop
[13:03] <ShiftPlusOne> *about networks =/
[13:03] <Kevel> win7
[13:04] <sha0> Kevel: POSIX: /etc/hosts Windows: \Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
[13:04] <Kevel> unfortunitly
[13:04] <Kevel> i assume i would have to set the pi's IP to be static then?
[13:04] <sha0> For best results.
[13:04] <dreamreal> there you go, modify hosts and add "raspberrypi 10.0.0.9" or whatever the IP is
[13:04] <dreamreal> or learn DNS on your router (dd-wrt?) or use WINS
[13:05] <sha0> Kevel: Or you could install your favourite Bonjour implementation on the Raspberry Pi, and on your clients that'll need to access it by hostname.
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[13:45] <j3> ShiftPlusOne: is there any how to or similiar out there for that? wasnt able to find any..
[13:45] <j3> im fine with an uncrypted boot
[13:46] <j3> as long as i can go from there and mount the "real" os
[13:46] <j3> speed is not an issue for me
[13:46] <j3> i was hoping to have a boot and and mount the os from there
[13:46] <j3> for example with early ssh
[13:46] <j3> i have a similar setup on a regular debian server
[13:47] <j3> but i did that with installing an encrypted lvm within the debian installer
[13:47] <ShiftPlusOne> What's your level of linux and raspberry pi knowledge? Would you be able to roll your own distro if you had to?
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[13:48] <j3> mh, rather not. i am familiar but not that good. though i might give it a try
[13:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not saying you'll need to, I am just trying to gauge what sort of resource to refer you to
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[13:49] <narcos> Hi all. Is there a 3G shield for the Pi?
[13:49] <narcos> I've found this - http://www.cooking-hacks.com/index.php/shop/raspberry-pi/3g-gprs-shield-for-raspberry-pi-3g-gps.html
[13:49] <j3> ah ok. if i can i would like to avoid that. but i guess i can not run a simple debian installer with the pi :)
[13:49] <narcos> But it seems to be a shield for the adruino which then plugs into the pi
[13:49] <ShiftPlusOne> j3, There are lots of guide and howtos out there, but the pi is a little different to your regular pc, so you need to know how to spot information that does not apply and you need to know what to do instead.
[13:49] <ShiftPlusOne> https://www.linux.com/learn/docs/ldp/508-Encrypted-Root-Filesystem-HOWTO
[13:49] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7743?page=0,0
[13:49] <ShiftPlusOne> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt_with_LUKS
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> narcos, looks like youve answered your own question.
[13:50] <ShiftPlusOne> and so on
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> narcos, just plug in a normal 3G dongle...
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[13:50] <narcos> gordonDrogon: I don't want to buy an Adruino just as bridge between a 3G board and my Pi
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[13:50] <narcos> gordonDrogon: That's what I have at the moment, but thought a specific board may be better.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> narcos, you don't need to - 3G dongles cost about a tenner and plug into USB.
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[13:51] <j3> ShiftPlusOne: thanks for the hints! that will keep me busy for a while i guess :)
[13:51] <j3> until now i only encrypted operating systems through the operating system installer
[13:51] <j3> and data only partitions with luks dm crypt
[13:51] <narcos> gordonDrogon: OK, I'll go with that approach. Also, I used a CLI tool a little while ago to connect my 3G modem, but can't seem to remember the name, or find the SD card on which I had it installed. It was a short name, something like 'sensi'. Ring any bells?
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> j3 what are you doing that's important to have encryption?
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> narcos, usb-switcher ?
[13:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Good luck. It's going to be fiddly, but it's possible.
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> narcos, some cheaper usb dongles look like SD cards until they get switched to modem mode..
[13:52] <narcos> gordonDrogon: "Sakis" - my internal memory just rebooted.
[13:52] <narcos> ( in my brain, that is)
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> narcos, ah :)
[13:53] <j3> gordonDrogon: nothing special. but since the sd is easy to remove on a pi and it going to be colocated i just want to have it crypted
[13:53] <j3> in case i can manage to do so
[13:53] <narcos> gordonDrogon: Could you recommend a good (rather than cheap) one? I'm currently using the Huawei E160E, which does work.
[13:53] <narcos> gordonDrogon: I'm going to deploy my Pi unattended for long durations, so reliability will be important++
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> narcos, I've no idea really - the only one I have is a zte something that came with a Three 3d payg sim card..
[13:54] <narcos> ok
[13:54] <narcos> Hmm, I have a few other questions, but I see lunch is ready - BBIAB :)
[13:54] <narcos> gordonDrogon: ta for the help
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[14:04] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: sorry I skipped out yesterday, had a scheduling thing and my cpu got slightly busy :)
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[14:13] <narcos> So, 3G dongle Q out the way. Next Q: Does anyone have experience with 3G adapters in monitor mode on the Pi?
[14:14] <narcos> Well, rather with Wheezy + Raspian + Pi.
[14:14] <narcos> I'm currently using the Edimax 7711usn, which seems to work fine (so far).
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, on a client site today - might be a bit slow here...
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[14:21] <dreamreal> no worries
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[14:45] <dethray> Having some issues with my mouse speed in Raspbian. I've turned down all the settings but the mouse speed seems to be unchanged or just slightly slower. Should also mention I am running Raspbian with QEMU arm.
[14:46] <dethray> Err in X11
[14:46] <ShiftPlusOne> is qemu in another vm?
[14:47] <ShiftPlusOne> is it virtualbox/vmware->qemu?
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[14:47] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[14:48] <ShiftPlusOne> good time of day to you too
[14:48] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: qemu != virtualbox/vmware
[14:48] <jelly1> it's totally different
[14:48] <ShiftPlusOne> jelly1, not what I said
[14:48] <jelly1> oh ok
[14:49] <dethray> I'm running native ubuntu 12.04 and QEMU. :)
[14:49] <ShiftPlusOne> but thanks, captain obvious =p
[14:49] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: lol
[14:49] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: I thought you where comparing vmware to qemu :P
[14:49] <jelly1> native qemu is obviously the best for performance *shrug*
[14:49] <jelly1> ;)
[14:49] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, if you run qemu from another vm which integrates the mouse with the host, then you get silly nonsense happening when qemu tried to claim the mouse
[14:50] <dethray> It's running fairly decent at 597 bogomips. :D
[14:50] <ShiftPlusOne> *tries
[14:50] <jelly1> qemu isn't that bad ;)
[14:51] <dethray> Wanted to play around until I can get the real deal.
[14:52] <ShiftPlusOne> If you're not running ubuntu in a vm, then I am not sure why that would be happening. =/
[14:53] <dethray> Yeah, I thought it was strange as well. I did find the post about virtualbox and mouse integration. I'll keep diggin'. Thanks for the input though. :)
[14:54] <ShiftPlusOne> good luck
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[14:55] <pulz> i got 9 rpi and 4 of them gets instant corrupted on reboots, any suggestions how to find the cause ?
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[15:02] <Davespice> hey folks
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[15:03] <eggy> hi ;-)
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[15:03] <Davespice> are there any HMA Pro! VPN users here? Trying to connect to it using a Pi and am getting "Failed to load IP address" at the end of the connection log
[15:03] <eggy> been reading on the forums.. are heat sinks worth buying?
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[15:03] <IT_Sean> you don't need one.
[15:03] <IT_Sean> unless you are really pushing a high overclock.
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> even then you don't need one.
[15:04] <eggy> didn't think so, been running a 256MB Pi for over a year without one (runs openvpn)
[15:04] <eggy> no issues, other than the sdcard crapping out (broken lock switch)
[15:05] <eggy> but some overclockers claim they 'help'
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> over a year?
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> didn't thin the first ones were delivered until April...
[15:07] <eggy> Well, not quite a year. Got it in May
[15:07] <eggy> sorry :x
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[15:08] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:08] <IT_Sean> raspi heat sinks are a scam, basically.
[15:09] <jelly1> nowai
[15:09] <eggy> yeah.. that's kinda what I thought
[15:09] <eggy> some way for third party companies to make a few extra bucks..
[15:09] <Jck_true> I got 8 heatsinks on a china site for 2 bucks... So i stuck one on every raspberry I got anyway...
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[15:10] <gordonDrogon> yea, just checking. Got mine on the 14th of April by the looks of it!
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[15:10] <jelly1> store your Pi outside :P
[15:10] <pksato> don't forget a powerful fan. :)
[15:11] <eggy> I don't over clock the 256mb one; but I've been overclocking the 512mb one.. it does help when running the LXDE GUI.
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[15:12] <Lamperi> wow you guys it early
[15:12] <ShiftPlusOne> If you're going to it, may as well it early.
[15:13] <Lamperi> I ordered mine in march and got it on september
[15:13] <Lamperi> well, got myself into queue
[15:13] <Jck_true> 2.40 USD for 8 heatsinks (Almost perfect fit) http://dx.com/p/aluminum-cooler-heat-sink-chipset-for-ram-memory-w-type-8-piece-set-35816??Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate
[15:13] <eggy> I ordered my in February, when they first started accepting orders.. took till May to get it.
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[15:14] <Jck_true> 5th june - When I signed up on the launch date... Feel a bit bad for registering both with Farnell and RS to get two... :(
[15:14] <IT_Sean> As well you should.
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[15:15] <gordonDrogon> I did... and got 3.
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> one was from ebay though...
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[15:16] <ShiftPlusOne> There was a guy here with 4 before I even got 1 and I ordered in the first 15 minutes =/
[15:16] <Jck_true> The launch was kinda silly
[15:16] <Jck_true> No offence
[15:16] <eggy> heh, I only ordered the one.. recently bought another 512MB r2 board version ;-)
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> I mis-read the announcement... so at 6 o'clock, I was ready & waiting .... 6pm that was ...
[15:17] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[15:17] <Jck_true> I woke up at 6pm - Checked the site 6.01 and everything was crashed
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> popping out for lunch
[15:18] <IT_Sean> I work up at 7am my time on launch day, and was slightly disapointed to find they had already sold out.
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[15:19] <ShiftPlusOne> But hey.... you got straight back into it a year later and ordered a pi... >.>
[15:20] <IT_Sean> Indeed, i did!
[15:20] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:20] <IT_Sean> And that Pi is quite happily running xbmc in my living room
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[15:53] <SwK> anyone know of a doc explaining how to duplicate the cross compile environment used for building the Raspbian packages
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[15:54] <ShiftPlusOne> raspbian packages are not exactly cross-compiled, they're compiled on other ARM devices.
[15:54] <bacteu> ShiftPlusOne: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/rpi_debian_build_cluster.jpg
[15:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Yes, I think we all read that article.
[15:55] <bacteu> ShiftPlusOne: It's the not the article I'm linking you to.
[15:55] <SwK> bacteu: nice
[15:55] <ShiftPlusOne> You're linking to a picture from the article
[15:55] <bacteu> ShiftPlusOne: It's an image of the devices used to compile raspbian
[15:56] <ShiftPlusOne> ...I know O_o
[15:56] <bacteu> Then please don't be so sarky.
[15:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Sorry, the "Yes, I think we all read that article." wasn't meant to be sarky.
[15:57] <ShiftPlusOne> more of a "hey, that sure was a good article" =D
[15:57] <SwK> I didnt read it
[15:57] <SwK> link?
[15:57] <ShiftPlusOne> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/how-two-volunteers-built-the-raspberry-pis-operating-system/
[15:57] <SwK> thanks
[15:58] <ShiftPlusOne> If you'd like the specifics, I am sure plugwash could help you out when he's around
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[16:01] <SwK> that board is fairly cheap I see
[16:03] <bacteu> SwK: they probably wouldn't have used it if it wasn't
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[16:05] <SwK> plugwash one of the raspbian maintainers?
[16:06] <bacteu> SwK: co-founder
[16:06] <bacteu> SwK: you might find him #raspbian
[16:07] <SwK> he doesnt appear to be on IRC at the moment heh
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[16:07] <ShiftPlusOne> He's usually on here as well, just not right now.
[16:07] <bacteu> Last seen 12 hours, 41 minutes, 21 seconds ago.
[16:08] <SwK> I'm just trying to figure out a way to add raspbian test building to the FreeSWITCH Jenkins cluster w/out putting to much wait time??? as it, it takes about 10 hours to build all of FS on the RPi
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> don't built it too often then :)
[16:08] <SwK> gordonDrogon: i dont lol
[16:10] <SwK> we do per commit builds on multiple platforms currently and I want to be able to apt-get install it lol
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> I'm looking at producing a debian package for wiringPi - seems a bit of a pita though - I guess it's easy for those who do it regularly though.
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[16:23] <nOStahl> hi guys
[16:24] <nOStahl> I got a mk802 any ideas where would be an ok channel to get some help with it
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[16:24] <SwK> gordonDrogon: I know someone that might be able to help with that
[16:24] <netman87> my xbee modules finally arrived
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[16:25] <gordonDrogon> SwK, I've got the debian docs in my browser - just need time to read & test...
[16:25] <Cembi> Heyho, i remember reading about sd card corruption in here almost every day, is that something i'll have to worry about on a PI running 24/7, non-overclocked and mostly doing office stuff?
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> Cembi, normally no.
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[16:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Cembi, seems to be a matter of luck. I've never had any corruption on a pi running 24/7. A guy was here earlier saying he has a few pis which corrupt after every reboot.
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[16:26] <Cembi> Well that's kinda a problem on the stability side of things
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[16:27] <Cembi> I want to use one as PC, but if it'll corrupt itself whenever it feels like it, i'll have a problem
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> you need to see if you have an SD card tht's OK.
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[16:28] <gordonDrogon> and the problem is probably overstated now - a million Pi's sold and we're not seeing a million complaints.
[16:28] <Cembi> I bought it from modmyPI, a 8GB Samsung one
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> it's probably fine - why not try it?
[16:28] <Cembi> I will, no worries :)
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> I only had issues with crappy power and silly overclocking.
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> once I fixed both then problems went away.
[16:29] <ReggieUK> oooooooooh, have we got a set of rules on the itnarwebs?
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> looks like it!
[16:29] <ReggieUK> huzzah
[16:29] <Cembi> My second question would be, modmyPI sells them with Debian pre-loaded, how do i find out if it's regular Debian or Rasbian with hard float?
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> ask them.
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> but it matters not - just re-flash it.
[16:29] <Cembi> Nothing smart to throw into the terminal?
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> if you have a linux box you might be able to read it, but just re-flash it.
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> that's recommended by the foudation anyway.
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> as some images are old...
[16:30] <Cembi> Well okay then
[16:30] <Cembi> Thanks for your time :)
[16:31] <nOStahl> any of you guys have the mk802 as well?
[16:31] <nOStahl> i just picked one up and can't get it to boot the ubuntu image for it on micro sd
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[16:37] <gordonDrogon> notme
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[16:49] <nOStahl> maybe I just have a bad micro sd card for this device
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> who knows...
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[17:19] <lee> any qualified electricians around by any remote chance? :P
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[17:21] <IT_Sean> lee: what do you need a sparky for?
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[17:22] <lee> because I have a question and don't especially want to end up either electrocuted or dead =)
[17:22] <ShiftPlusOne> well, if you're going to risk your life, getting the go ahead from a random stranger on the internet is probably the right approach here.
[17:23] <lee> it's sanity checking more than anything else, I'm pretty sure I'm right
[17:23] <SwK> yes you can use your tongue to check it the mains are live
[17:23] <lee> I want a DPDT switch to control lights in a room - the switch will switch between 240VAC mains and 12VDC coming from a battery - if on mains it'll power a transformer, otherwise power the LED strip directly
[17:24] <lee> is there a rule of thumb for how much DC current a switch can handle, if you only have the AC specs?
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[17:24] <SwK> the switch should be current rated also
[17:24] <lee> I have found a switch that's rated for 10A 240VAC, but don't know if that will handle 5A 12VDC
[17:25] <SwK> it should handle that
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[17:25] <SwK> going over voltage causes insulation breakdown, going over current causes the wiring inside the switch to over heat
[17:26] <lee> I thought it caused (or could cause) sparking between the contacts, which would obviously be very very bad
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[17:27] <IT_Sean> lee... are you a licensed electrician ?
[17:27] <SwK> i would guess he isnt lol
[17:28] <lee> er, no
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[17:28] <IT_Sean> Then get one.
[17:29] <lee> I am about to employ one but he's either getting ripped off, or ripping me off, in the quote he's just given me, at least in relation to the parts
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> lee so your incoming voltage will be either 240 AC or 12 DC ? on the same wires to the same switch?
[17:31] <IT_Sean> It sounds like he wants to use a switch to select between 12vDC and 240vAC
[17:31] <lee> exactly
[17:31] <IT_Sean> But, if you are going to play with mains voltage, you really should have a licensed sparky do it, so that you don't kill yourself and/or burn your hosue down.
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[17:31] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, 240v, so not the US, so not bound by the various unions...
[17:32] <lee> I want to power the LED lights in a room and switch between mains and battery as a power source
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> connect the mains to the battery (via a charger) and just run them at 12v.
[17:32] <IT_Sean> lee: I would advise you do make the switch after the step down transformer.
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[17:32] <IT_Sean> So, you are switching between mains supplied 12vDC and battery 12vDC
[17:33] <lee> I'm not going to play with mains power, but I want to know more about it so I can have a more detailed conversation with the electrician who will
[17:34] <IT_Sean> So, your 12v transformer... it's plugged into the wall, yes?
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[17:34] <lee> hmm, I need to make an electrical diagram for this
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[17:34] <gordonDrogon> what country are you in?
[17:34] <IT_Sean> okay, so, you want a switch to select between the 12v from the transfromer and the 12v from the battery. There is no need for you to switch the 120vAC
[17:34] <IT_Sean> *240vAC
[17:35] <lee> yes, there's an LED strip, powered by a transformer, which is plugged into the mains. the LED strip can also be powered by 12v directly, without the need for the transformer
[17:35] <lee> I am envisioning a switch to pick between power supplies, and an additional on/off switch
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> well you can do the low voltage side yourself.
[17:35] <IT_Sean> Okay... you want a dual pole, dual throw switch. 12v IN from the transformer on one side, 12v in from the battery on the other, LED strip on the outout
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[17:35] <gordonDrogon> as IT_Sean suggested - just switch the low-voltage side - both 12v into one switch...
[17:36] <lee> ahh
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> althought I'd still use the transformer as a charger and just have one switch.
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> so if/when the mains fails the lights stay on.
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[17:39] <lee> the battery (bank) is charged by a(n array of) solar panel(s), charging the battery from the mains would not be ideal =)
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[17:41] <lee> I like that idea though, thanks
[17:41] <mgottschlag> you might want a low power circuit somewhere which throws the switches automatically, so that you can switch th battery when it is full
[17:41] <mgottschlag> *to
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[17:41] <mgottschlag> (or solar power, whatever)
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[17:44] <gordonDrogon> there are lots of solutions - personally I'd arrange all my lights to be at 12v and the battery bank to have charging sources auto switched - so mains on a cloudy day, sun on a sunny day, etc.
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> although I'm helping a friend to designe & install just that sort of setup...
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[17:44] <gordonDrogon> his entire houses lighting will be at 12v
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[17:45] <gordonDrogon> mostly powere by solar + battery, but the option to charge the batterys from the mains just in-case. (handy in hte UK!)
[17:46] <lee> mgottschlag: I had thought about that but not looked into the complexity at all
[17:46] <lee> gordonDrogon: I can only get away with it in a new-build room, unfortunately
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[17:46] <lee> retrofitting the house is an different project
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[17:47] <mgottschlag> microcontroller (with an ADC), two relays and a relay driver would be enough
[17:47] <lee> that is completely not pi related in any way... the thing I want to do this weekend is though (hook up weather station that has now arrived, and make it a) talk to the pi without needing to go via the base station and b) report to wunderground)
[17:48] <mgottschlag> (only difficulty is that microcontrollers don't run off 12V)
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[17:48] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, and if the uC crashes and both relays come on at the same time ...
[17:48] <mgottschlag> hm, indeed
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[17:49] <gordonDrogon> lee, yea, we're looking at retrofitting the whole house - fortunately in the UK that's not as bad as it seems as we re-use all the existing wiring and split it out at the consumer unit.
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[17:50] <lee> we currently have no clue where the wires are routed between the consumer unit and the garage (new build is above it), that's going to be the next set of fun =)
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[17:51] <lee> also it appears that the garage lighting and downstairs lighting is on the same circuit ... not ideal
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> a-ha :)
[17:52] <lee> so the sparky can fix that at the same time
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[17:52] <lee> or alternatively, break it in new and spectacular ways
[17:52] <lee> brb, cooking
[17:52] <lee> (not myself by electrocution, either)
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[18:17] <nOStahl> gordonDrogon: might want to go 24v or 48v if doing whole house
[18:17] <nOStahl> don't want you starting a fire trying to push enough amps at 12v through standard house wire gauges.
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> not my house.
[18:18] <lee> 6.3mm wire is the largest I can easily get, and it's pretty goddamn expensive
[18:18] <nOStahl> a lot of devices can accept range from 12-24 or 32v off the shelf
[18:18] <nOStahl> gordonDrogon: thought you were designing a system for a friends house?
[18:19] <lee> what I would really like ito do is somehow power the PC via battery
[18:19] <lee> (ideally without using an inverter but that's looking like the easiest option by a long shot)
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> nOStahl, yes, it's not my house.
[18:20] <nid0> I may have missed some complexity involved here (I havent read up) but ups's are pretty cheap these days
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> lee, there are 12V PSUs for PCs.
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> nid0, cheap, and innefficient...
[18:20] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[18:20] <nOStahl> lee: look up pico power supply
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> nOStahl, UK houses are divided into many zones - it's not as bad it as might seem and I'm just doing the control side of things, not the wiring, etc.
[18:21] <lee> oh yes, but I don't think they're going to be suitable for this (current PSU is 850W), dual GPUs
[18:21] <nOStahl> gordonDrogon: dosnt matter if your powering a device 3 feet away or 30 meters away you can melt the wire pushing too many amps through it :)
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[18:22] <gordonDrogon> nOStahl, yes, I kno about I^2R
[18:23] <nOStahl> house wire is rated just above capacity for high voltage ac to run through it with little amps
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[18:24] <nOStahl> thats why 12v dc needs big cables to push enough amps through at the low voltages
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[18:25] <gordonDrogon> like I said, I know all about I^2R.
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> V^2/R if you like.
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> not my house. I'm not doing the wiring, just the control.
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[18:51] <SwK> d00t OshPark delivered http://imgur.com/a/zPZyp
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[18:54] <chod> gordonDrogon: to use the basic functions of stress.c on my spi board i dont see where the port addresses i have go
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[19:44] <gordonDrogon> chod, ping
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[20:17] <lkeijser> hi, I'm having a rather ugly problem with my rpi :( http://dpaste.com/1030462/
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[20:17] <lkeijser> tried to install debconf after installing 'dstat' failed with the same error
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[20:18] <gordonDrogon> done an update/upgrade recently?
[20:18] <lkeijser> most likely .. but I can't really remember
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> might be worth a go.
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[20:18] <lkeijser> let's see .. I think I did that already, and it failed
[20:19] <lkeijser> been updating so many systems lately that I can't really remember for sure
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[20:20] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[20:21] <lkeijser> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:22] <lkeijser> and after that, same error when trying to install anything
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[20:28] <gordonDrogon> I guess something's borked...
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[20:31] <lkeijser> yeah, I'll probably do a reinstall .. but mpd is (still) playing and it has been enough working for one day :)
[20:31] <lkeijser> thanks though
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[20:34] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, how do i poll a pin?
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, digitalRead (pin)
[20:35] <chod> gordonDrogon: have you any other SPI examples ?
[20:35] <chod> gor gor
[20:35] <chod> i dont get what is causing the alg here
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[20:35] <gordonDrogon> chod, examples for what? the Gertboard is examples...
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> entanet - a big UK ISP has major problems - might be affecting.
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[20:37] <chod> i am looking at trying to waggle single pins on spi
[20:37] <IT_Sean> waggle?
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> why?
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> waggle/wiggle/pulse up & down ...
[20:38] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, it wont let me printf(digitalRead(100));
[20:38] <aaa801> how would i go about that
[20:38] <chod> why, cos i have not got it working yet
[20:38] * gordonDrogon sighs.
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> printf ("%d\n", digitalRead (100)) ;
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> chod, if you are toggling the individual SPI pins then you're doing it wrong. There are kernel drivers to do SPI for you.
[20:39] <chod> right
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> so what have you got connected to the spi?
[20:39] <aaa801> balls forgot to set the pin mode :(
[20:39] <chod> i though i could you your stress.c with alterations
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[20:40] <gordonDrogon> chod, ok - stress.c connects to mcp23017 (i2c) and mcp23S17 (spi). Do you have one of these?
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[20:40] <chod> mcp23s17 (2) on a board
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> chod, ok. start with one at a time.
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> the key is to get the kernel driver loaded.
[20:41] <chod> hence a cut down stress.c looked a good starting place
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> however you will need wiringPi v2 to use that program.
[20:41] <chod> got
[20:41] <aaa801> eah how
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[20:42] <chod> stress.c complies
[20:42] <aaa801> grrrr stupid sega controler give me some output :(
[20:42] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, do i have to do something with pullupdncontrol ?
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ unicorn: fgrep wiringPi-2.tgz access_log|wc -l
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> 3
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> heh.
[20:42] <aaa801> unicorn
[20:42] <aaa801> :P?
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, not unless you need to.
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[20:43] <aaa801> well im trying to read when the button is pushed
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> name of server - unicorn.drogon.net
[20:43] <aaa801> but its just printing out 0
[20:43] <aaa801> =/
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> the set the pull-up.
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> pullUpDnControl (pn, PUD_UP) ;
[20:43] <chod> you may understand the mcp23s17 values the py example refers to
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[20:44] <gordonDrogon> chod I don't know pythong.
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> chod do you have it wired up?
[20:44] <chod> but you will under stand the vales
[20:44] <aaa801> mhm still nothing . lemme check this pinout
[20:44] <chod> spi_slave_addr = 0x40
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> chod you don't need that with wiringPi 2
[20:45] <chod> i think you do
[20:45] <chod> beacause
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> I wrote it. I know you don't.
[20:45] <chod> the chips have 'addressable' vaules
[20:45] <chod> set with jumpers
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> is this a pre-made board or are you breadboarding it?
[20:45] <chod> pre made
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> show me.
[20:45] <chod> i did
[20:46] <chod> the values?
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> no, the url to the product.
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> however, do you see any reference to 0x40 in the stress.c program?
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[20:48] <chod> http://pridopia.co.uk/pi-23s17-2-lp.html
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[20:49] <gordonDrogon> ok, great.
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> right.
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> do this: gpio load spi
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[20:50] <chod> its working i got a led on
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> so why are you asking me all this if you have it working?
[20:50] <chod> its all random guesse
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[20:51] <chod> have you looked at the .py?
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[20:51] <chod> 23s17-2.py?
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> no. I don't do .py.
[20:51] <chod> i dont do c or py
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> it's silly - they poke registers and everything.
[20:51] <chod> i am trying to learn it
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[20:52] <chod> but you will understand the values at the inital setup
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> I think you're complely missed the point of wiringPi.
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> You do not need to do all that setup because I have done it for you and made it easy.
[20:52] <chod> it cant detect can it ?
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> You don't need 0x40, IOCONN, GPIOA, etc.
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> no, it can't detect it, you tell it.
[20:53] <chod> therfore it needs the address of the chips and the board no ?
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> look at stress.c. Do you see 0x40 ?
[20:53] <chod> right we are getting there
[20:53] <chod> i need a url for the origonal i have over cooked this copy
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> do you see all thos lines of hex numbers in stress.c?
[20:54] <chod> in line 26
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/stress.c
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[20:54] * aaa801 is something something
[20:54] <aaa801> i forgot to load the i2c modulke
[20:54] <aaa801> Sigh
[20:55] <chod> line 25 i guess it relevent to the address 's ?
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> chod type this: gpio -x mcp23s17:0:0 mode 0 out
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> chod oops, sorry, this:
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> chod type this: gpio -x mcp23s17:100:0:0 mode 0 out
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> then: gpio -x mcp23s17:100:0:0 write 1 1
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> then: gpio -x mcp23s17:100:0:0 write 1 0
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> aarg. sorry I'm goofing. ignore them
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> chod type this: gpio -x mcp23s17:100:0:0 mode 100 out
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> then: gpio -x mcp23s17:100:0:0 write 100 1
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> then: gpio -x mcp23s17:100:0:0 write 100 0
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> that ought to toggle the first LED.
[20:58] <bacteu> a pastebin might be more appropriate
[20:58] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, how can i make a hid driver for this, so i can use it in dgen ?
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> yea, but I didn't expect to goof the first 3 lines...
[20:58] <bacteu> fair enough
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> what's hid and dgen?
[20:58] <aaa801> hid = human interface device
[20:58] <aaa801> dgen = sega emulator
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea.
[20:59] <aaa801> i was thinking of loading it as a kernel module
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> good luck.
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[20:59] <aaa801> q_q ?
[20:59] <aaa801> guess its not easy then ha :P
[20:59] <aaa801> worse case, i just rip open dgen and hack in wiring pi polling
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> I guess so.
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[21:00] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, are there issues with running multiple gpio programs using wiring pi ?
[21:00] <aaa801> aslong as they arnt on same pins
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[21:01] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, not really.
[21:02] <chod> re
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> the I2c ones ge a bit upset, so you shouldn't have 2 programms trying to access the same I2C or SPI device.
[21:02] <aaa801> it wont be the same i2c chip
[21:02] <aaa801> tbh i just realised im not going to be actualy using both programs at the same time
[21:02] <aaa801> disregard past lines xD
[21:03] <pksato> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Rs-Pi-4-USB-Hub-SPI-23s17-x2-32-bit-GPIO-multi-function-Board-/221173796813?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_InterfaceCards&hash=item337efc4fcd
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[21:04] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, i cant get the pin to read as 0 with no input =/
[21:04] <aaa801> it goes to 0 when there is input
[21:04] <aaa801> even with pullup
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, a pullup will make it read 1. you need to push the button to make it read 0
[21:04] <aaa801> aha, i assumed it was defaulty 0
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[21:05] <gordonDrogon> hm. looad like entanet might be back.
[21:05] <aaa801> O_O
[21:05] <aaa801> isnt that like the sub internet :P?
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> hm. not very stable by the looks of it.
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> Entanet - name of ISP I use.
[21:06] <chod> very similar board to mine
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> www.enta.net
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[21:06] <gordonDrogon> just about in-time too. laptop battery dying.
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[21:07] <gordonDrogon> plugged it in anyway.
[21:07] <chod> gordonDrogon: that turns on two lines on different ports
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[21:08] <chod> gordonDrogon: have you syntax for your gpio -x commands up yet ?
[21:10] <chod> aaa801: what code you using for this board
[21:10] <aaa801> huh chod?
[21:10] <aaa801> C
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> chod, -x is to use a module. so module name - e.g. mcp23s17 then a : then the pin-base - e.g. 100. Then a : then the SPI bus (0 or 1) then a : then the chip Id 0-7
[21:11] <chod> thx
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[21:11] <chod> erm it operated two outputs
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> then it's just like the normal gpio command mode pin out, write pin 1 - where pin is the pin-base you used - for the mcp23s17 you have 16 pins, so if you used 100, then you have pins 100 through 115
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> in a program, it looks like: mcp23s17Setup (BASE_SPI, 0, 0) ;
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> where BASE_SPI is the base of the pin range you want to use - e.g. 100
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> then you just use the normal pinMode(), digitalWrite() etc.
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi hides all the chip setup, the 0x40's the IOCON_INIT, etc. makes it easy.
[21:13] <chod> so i need two mcp setups one for each chip ?
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> in a program yes
[21:13] <chod> ahhhhh
[21:13] <chod> how do you select the card
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> so one might be at base 100, the next at base 116
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> I'm not 100% sure for that board - it's either on separate SPI buses or one chip is zero, the othe chip is 1.
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> let me re-read the page.
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[21:15] <gordonDrogon> that python program is actually bit-banging the SPI bus. What a waste when there is a perfectly good kernel driver to do all that for you. They designer of it is a muppet.
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> so it looks like they're on the 2 SPI buses.
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> So, mcp23s17Setup (100,0,0); mcp23s17Setup (116,1,0) ;
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[21:17] <gordonDrogon> should then give you pins 100 through 131 that you can pinMode (pin, OUTPUT), and digitalWrite(pin, 1); to
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[21:22] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, theres a select pin but im not getting any input from it :/
[21:22] <aaa801> http://pinouts.ru/Game/genesiscontroller_pinout.shtml
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[21:24] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, and interesting project to wire up.
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, you need to give it power and it will probably work at 3.3v
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> and you need one output to the select pin.
[21:25] <aaa801> im using 5v and its working fine
[21:25] <aaa801> eah, i thought that was a input
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> connecting to the Pi or GPIO chip?
[21:25] <aaa801> gpio chip
[21:25] <aaa801> 23017
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> ok. as long as that's a 5v too.
[21:26] <aaa801> ye there rated from 3.3 to 5v i believe
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> select is a signal into the joystick. it selects the buttons.
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[21:26] <gordonDrogon> so select is an output from the Pi, the rest are inputs to the Pi.
[21:26] <aaa801> 1.8V to 5.5V
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[21:27] <aaa801> that seems odd =/
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[21:28] <gordonDrogon> why?
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[21:28] <aaa801> well if its a output from the controler
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[21:28] <aaa801> it seems very off
[21:28] <aaa801> odd
[21:29] <aaa801> or is this ment for multiplexing or something
[21:29] <aaa801> where you read with the select at gnd and then at 5v
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> it's the input to a multiplexor chip in the joystick.
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> didn't you read the text at the top?
[21:31] <aaa801> nope
[21:31] <aaa801> :D
[21:31] * aaa801 goes to read
[21:32] <IT_Sean> always always RTM
[21:32] <aaa801> aha i see
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[21:34] <aaa801> GAH THIS IS ANOYING
[21:34] <aaa801> why are 0 and 1 the 'wrong' way around
[21:35] <Baikonur> so it's a bit off?
[21:36] <aaa801> well if i get a input on a line it goes to 0
[21:36] <aaa801> 1 is the default state
[21:36] <aaa801> annoying D:
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[21:37] <pksato> aaa801: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~chuck/infopg/segasix.txt
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[21:44] <slysir> Esu
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[21:45] <anew> how can i create a shortcut on my desktop in rpi ?
[21:45] <anew> trying to put iceweasel on the desktop but dunno how
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[21:46] <IT_Sean> what OS?
[21:47] <anew> i think it's debian only on rpi isnt it ?
[21:47] <anew> i thought it was
[21:47] * IT_Sean sighs
[21:48] <anew> lol
[21:49] <anew> sorry i am noob
[21:49] <IT_Sean> just a guess here, but, have you tried right clicking on it? Is there an option to add to desktop?
[21:50] <IT_Sean> what desktop environment are you using, KDE?
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[21:50] <aaa801> im guessing he just grabed raspbian image
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[21:52] <IT_Sean> sorry... onna call
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[21:56] <chod> gordonDrogon : can i show you this code?
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[21:58] <chod> gordonDrogon: http://pastebin.com/71BRrLcS
[21:59] <chod> dont be too harsh with bad words
[21:59] <aaa801> chod, your only setting the first two pins of both chips to output
[21:59] <aaa801> first pin*
[21:59] <aaa801> so 100 and 116
[21:59] <chod> in lines 26 & 27 ?
[21:59] <aaa801> im sure thats not what you ment to do
[21:59] <aaa801> aye
[21:59] <chod> aye thanks
[22:00] <chod> can it accept a range?
[22:00] <aaa801> unsure, i just loop it
[22:00] <chod> thx
[22:00] <chod> i still think it needs the card 'address'
[22:00] <chod> yet atm it seems to use nothing special
[22:01] <chod> still figuring c, is that lower loop correct ?
[22:01] <aaa801> no
[22:01] <aaa801> gimme a min
[22:01] <chod> k
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> chod, you need pinMode() statements in there.
[22:02] <chod> for all pins on both chips i guess
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[22:02] <gordonDrogon> so: for (bit = 0 ; bit < 32 ; ++bit) pinMode (BASE_SPI + bit, OUTPUT) ;
[22:02] <chod> the card has an id of 8 also
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[22:02] <aaa801> chod, http://pastebin.com/GHB7e975
[22:03] <aaa801> not exactly neat but its right logic wise
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> just use one pinMode - in a loop from 0 to 31.
[22:03] <aaa801> ye i was doing it so he could see it on both chips
[22:03] <aaa801> as newb
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> just because there's 2 chips doesn't mean you need to treat them as 2 chips. wiringPi just sees a sequence of pins ...
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[22:04] <aaa801> grrr wheres mah delivery of broken segas :(
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[22:04] <chod> oh so line 21 is wrong?
[22:05] <aaa801> prob both the setup();s
[22:05] <aaa801> isnt there a tool that gives you the location
[22:05] <aaa801> there is for i2c atleast
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[22:06] <gordonDrogon> not fo rspi.
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[22:06] <aaa801> thats.. anoying
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> I suppose I could write something that was chip specific, but it's not a defined bus like I2C is.
[22:06] <aaa801> aha
[22:06] * aaa801 likes his bit defination
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[22:09] <chod> erm, its not right
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[22:12] <chod> oh thats better
[22:12] <chod> its doing two leds at a time
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[22:17] <gordonDrogon> chod, yes, if you're counting to 16 and setting both at the same time - you'll get 2 leds at the same time.
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> change the loop to be 0 to 31 and just have one digitalWrite..
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[22:18] <chod> the 2nd does not turn it off after 200 /
[22:18] <chod> +?
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[22:20] <chod> it looks like both ports on one chip are being used at the same time
[22:22] <chod> http://pastebin.com/G14Dy7VB
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/chod.c
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> give that a go.
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> if both ports are being used at the same time, then it's not impossible that I've got a bug in the code..
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> however it only writes to the chip one bit at a time, so it's somewhat curious..
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[22:25] <chod> 2 at a time
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[22:34] <chod> gordonDrogon:
[22:34] <chod> the mcp23s17Setup line last value is the chip id ?
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[22:35] <chod> if put any value in it still seems to work
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[22:35] <gordonDrogon> chod, er... let me check.
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[22:35] <chod> hence my confusement
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[22:36] <chod> or the board is not using chip id at all
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> chod, the arguments are: mcp23s17Setup (int pinBase, int spiPort, int devId) ;
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> So the 2nd number ought to be the 0 in the first one, and 1 in the 2nd one.
[22:37] <_GhouL_> hi all, is anyone getting satisfying results when using a webcam with rpi?
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> give: http://unicorn.drogon.net/chod.c a go if you can.
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[22:39] <chod> is that different to last try?
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> the SPI selects are changed.
[22:39] <chupacabra> I updated Fedora after adding rpmfusion repos and it wouldnt oot after.
[22:39] <chupacabra> boot
[22:39] <chupacabra> couldnt find root fs
[22:40] <_GhouL_> mine even though it is a verified peripherals the video stream crashes or is not good (black or non sense image)
[22:40] <chod> two leds at a time
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[22:41] <x29a> _GhouL_: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=35689&p=300710&hilit=bandwidth+quirk#p300710
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> chod that's quite surprising. I will check the code though.
[22:41] <chod> 1 pass of leds then a delay
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> chod so one pass with 2 leds then no leds then repeat?
[22:42] <chod> repeats yes
[22:42] <chod> forever
[22:42] <chod> but not a continous loop
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> chod do all the LEDs light up ?
[22:42] <chod> all leds light yes
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> it suggests that both chips are being addresses at the same time.
[22:42] <chod> 1 and 9
[22:42] <chod> then 2 and 10
[22:42] <chod> etc etc
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> not 1 and 16 ?
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[22:43] <chod> i dont know what banks are what
[22:43] <chod> 1 9
[22:43] <chod> 2 10
[22:44] <chod> 3 11
[22:44] <chod> etc
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:44] <chod> then
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> no matter for now.
[22:44] <chod> then 17 and 25
[22:44] <chod> 18 26
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:44] <chod> 19 27
[22:44] <chod> etc
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> did you solder the jumpers on it?
[22:44] <chod> not guilty
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[22:44] <_GhouL_> x29a, thanks for the tip I will see if it solves the problem
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[22:45] <chod> i could electrically check the jumpers, they look correct
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[22:46] <gordonDrogon> so there are 3 jumpers per chip - are the all set the same?
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[22:46] <gordonDrogon> ie. set set set, or set set open, etc.
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> or can you put up a photo of your board?
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[22:46] <chod> open open open, open open closed
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> so that would suggest both on the same bus, but one is address 0 and one is address 1.
[22:47] <chod> i agree
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> so if you change the line: mcp23s17Setup (BASE_SPI + 16, 1, 0) ; into mcp23s17Setup (BASE_SPI + 16, 0, 1) ;
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> then compile & run again..
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[22:49] <chod> now same with no delay after one pass
[22:49] <chod> ie 2 leds
[22:49] <chod> chasing
[22:49] <chod> then no end delay
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> should only be one LED.
[22:50] <chod> thats how i thought i had the code
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> Let me re-check the software - I may have something wrong, but the code shares a lot with the I2C code and I have worked that with 2 chips.
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> my code just has one LED on at a time - or should have.
[22:50] <chod> i'll get a meter out and check the links
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> but it looks like the commands are being written into both chips atthe same time.
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> I'm pretty sure the code is doing what it's supposed to be doing.
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> however to double check, I'll need to wire up 2 of these chips on a breadboard and check.
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[22:56] <gordonDrogon> I can do that, but not tonight - possibly tomorrow or at the weekend.
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> I know that one works fine though.
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> as I've ued it with piface and my stress tester.
[22:56] <chod> nice one
[22:56] <chod> thanks very much for the input
[22:57] <aaa801> mhm my 'local' hackspace is attempting a raspberry jam
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[22:59] <gordonDrogon> excellent. where are they?
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[23:14] <SwK> gordonDrogon: wiringPiI2CSetup (0xYY) where YY is not a valid device on the bus, shouldnt that return -1 ?
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> SwK, no idea - I'll need to check.
[23:17] <SwK> gordonDrogon: ok heh???trying to figure out how to trap the error, your example had if ((q2w = wiringPiI2CSetup (0x21)) == -1) { do the error() }
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> SwK, it will return what Linux returns from the open() and ioctl() functions.
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> SwK, I suspect the open/ioctl will never fail and all it does is "remember" the I2C device address for later use - and those functions can potentially fail.
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[23:21] <chupacabra> cpg? hehehe
[23:22] <cpg> hey chupacabra
[23:23] <chupacabra> you slumming over here?
[23:23] <chupacabra> I now have 2 pis
[23:23] <cpg> same here
[23:23] <cpg> trying to make #amahi run on it one day
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[23:25] <chupacabra> nice
[23:26] <chupacabra> should from what I see.
[23:27] <chupacabra> Samba is sure a drag at least on my media unit. Stopped it and everything improved.
[23:28] <chupacabra> webcam bot is my next project.
[23:28] <chupacabra> I updated Fedora after adding rpmfusion repos and it wouldnt boot after.
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