#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-03-22

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[0:52] <slm4996> what do you know cpg I just happen to have a PI as well...
[0:55] <cpg> hahaha
[0:55] <Tenkawa> what are PI's??
[0:55] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[0:55] <cpg> similar interests!
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[0:58] <SwK> pi is 3.14159265359
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[0:59] <slm4996> Pi is http://www.piday.org/million/
[1:02] <slm4996> hey chupacabra!
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[1:35] <chupacabra> yo
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[2:26] <buzzsaw> good evening
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[2:33] <SwK> Order $242.75 more to get a free Raspberry Pi.
[2:33] <SwK> lol
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[2:34] <buzzsaw> I am looking for a good wifi card for the rPi any recomendations?
[2:34] <buzzsaw> one that will go into rfmon would be nice
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[2:38] <epoch_> Has anyone gotten Texas Instrument calculators working with a Raspberry Pi?
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[2:43] <SwK> i hvent tried rfmon
[2:44] <SwK> but I hvae some edimax's that work well otherwise
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[2:47] <eggy> Edimax EW-7811Un seems to work well.
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[2:50] <SwK> eggy: you mean like Bus 001 Device 004: ID 7392:7811 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS]
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[2:50] <SwK> heh
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[2:50] <SwK> thats what I use i have about 1/2 dozen of those on RPis
[2:50] * slm4996 is now known as zz_slm4996
[2:50] <eggy> that's that's what amazon shipped me
[2:50] <eggy> heh
[2:50] <SwK> thats where I get them also
[2:51] <SwK> and cheap too
[2:51] <eggy> ya
[2:51] <SwK> I keep trying to figure out if I have a reason to try and make this work lol ": Order $242.75 more to get a free Raspberry Pi."
[2:53] <fr0g911> hi
[2:53] <epoch_> Hi.
[2:53] <fr0g911> hello
[2:53] <fr0g911> goodbye
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[2:53] <fr0g911> hi again
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[2:55] <eggy> lol
[2:56] <fr0g911> brb compiling pasta om the kitchen
[2:56] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[2:56] <eggy> though it seems the xmbc distro doesn't supporth the Edimax wifi dongle that well; raspbain has much quicker speeds
[2:57] <SwK> now if only I could get usb2.0 to play nice I'll be happy
[2:57] <eggy> the usb hub I'm using is only 1.0, its an old powered one that I had lying around.. heh
[2:58] <SwK> I plug my edimax straight in
[2:58] <SwK> the problem I have is I'm doing USB audio also
[2:59] <SwK> and in usb2.0 mode the audio sounds like crap
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[3:00] <eggy> yah, i plug the edimax in directly, the hub is for the keyboard/mouse
[3:00] <eggy> noticed something, at least with my setup. if I unplug my edimax.. it will power cycle the pi
[3:00] <eggy> very odd
[3:01] <SwK> lol
[3:01] <SwK> i've never had that happen
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[3:01] <eggy> I don't know why it happens.
[3:01] <SwK> i have power cycled my pi plugging in like a USB headset or a power hungry USB powered audio adapter
[3:01] <eggy> wondering if its my phone charger that I'm using
[3:03] <eggy> oh well, its an odd thing ;/
[3:03] <SwK> it could be
[3:04] <SwK> alot of those things done have enough capacitance on their output to handle large changes in the pi's consumption
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[3:04] <eggy> the older pi is plugged into an iPhone charger that seems to handle it very well
[3:04] <eggy> I'm not sure about this samsung charger
[3:05] <SwK> I've thought about building a 5v source on a 'plate' and adding a bit of extra capacitor to it for handling things like USB load spike
[3:05] <SwK> i have a cyberpower hub that handles it quite well
[3:06] <SwK> (even runs 3 Pi at the same time with no issues)
[3:06] <eggy> I would buy a 'recommended' one, I don't know the electrical stuff to bother 'making my own' ;)
[3:07] <SwK> my only concern is are the traces in the board heavy enough to handle bringing power in from P1
[3:08] <SwK> and I by pass the input polyfuse but that loss of protection is easy enough for me to account for
[3:09] <epoch_> Would using an AT power supply for a RasPi be a bad idea?
[3:09] <SwK> that could work
[3:09] <pksato> no.
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[3:10] <epoch_> Ok, good. I like the built-in power switch it has. :P
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[3:10] <epoch_> I measured the 5v output and it was 5.5 I think.
[3:11] <pksato> my experiment with atx and rpi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgFh6yLe6Os&list=UU8yk0zzpUQu-yDpBZwvuoYA&index=1
[3:11] <SwK> that might make the 5v reg on the pi run a little warm tho
[3:11] <epoch_> I'll try a couple different supplies for a more 5v 5v output than 5.5v.
[3:12] <SwK> pksato: you should see my bench supply lol
[3:14] <SwK> ATX PSU with some low ohm power resistors on the 5v rail (most ATX PSUs need about 10W of load to really stabilize), then a set of banana jacks for +12v -12v +5 and +3.3
[3:14] <pksato> other video http://youtu.be/hDdpY8GT-_c
[3:14] <eggy> I've noted raspbian will stop using the wifi if I plugin an ethernet cord
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[3:23] <SwK> I hate when I proto a board and forget some much needed pull up resistors
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[4:04] <alpharender> sup rbp
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[4:09] <alpharender> is rpb robs compliant and ul listed? QA, spec.. (thinking about that 'other' board...)
[4:09] <alpharender> rohs
[4:13] <bin_bash> what
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[4:31] <zproc> anyone tried XDMCP from a pi ?
[4:31] <zproc> i just get a blank screen when doing X -query etc
[4:39] <SwK> note to self
[4:39] <SwK> when measure voltages on P1 dont short in 4 to pin 6
[4:39] <SwK> its no bueno
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[4:43] <edman007> wow, crazy, allied shipped me my rpi last week, I ordered it about 6 weeks before that... they charged my credit card today
[4:44] <buzzsaw> I take it rpi shipping is still behind?
[4:45] <edman007> yea, depends who you ordered it from, allied was, MCM wasn't
[4:46] <edman007> so I got tired of waiting, ordered from MCM...and now I have two, all well, i'll find a use for that
[4:46] <edman007> now it's time to start the coding
[4:47] <buzzsaw> yeah i am looking at mcm and see that it says in stock
[4:47] <SwK> http://pastebin.com/ZP91n4ni Newark (Premier Farnell's US Arm) current stock and shipping levels
[4:47] <SwK> you tell me lol
[4:47] <buzzsaw> mcm has a crapload of different bundels
[4:48] * SwK beats head in table
[4:48] <buzzsaw> why are you beating your head on the table?
[4:51] <SwK> proto board not working as expected
[4:52] <SwK> breadboard good wait 4 weeks for oshpark and !@#!K$@#$$@#!!!!!!!!!!
[4:52] <SwK> 1/2 the boards working tho
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[4:53] <SwK> forgot some pullup resistors but thats an easy surface wire fix
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[5:01] <buzzsaw> does it have anything to do with the shorting?
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[5:03] <SwK> no
[5:03] <SwK> it has partially to do with me being an asshat
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[5:05] <SwK> and a utterly total asshat at that
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[5:11] <buzzsaw> hum... I need GPS data for my rPi any sugestions?
[5:13] <epoch_> The only stuff I hear about GPS is that ESR was trying to get some cheap GPS thing made.
[5:14] <epoch_> I'll see if it got finished and is available yet...
[5:14] <buzzsaw> this is $40 http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-ultimate-gps-on-the-raspberry-pi
[5:14] <buzzsaw> guess thats kind of cheap
[5:18] <epoch_> GR-600. haven't found a price for it yet.
[5:18] <edman007> buzzsaw, actually, parallax has some for under $40
[5:19] <buzzsaw> ah
[5:19] <buzzsaw> I wonder if I could hack out some of the broken boards at work :-s
[5:20] <buzzsaw> I have not ordered one yet "just about to" has anyone played with the wifi in rfmonitor mode yet?
[5:20] <buzzsaw> I hear the device is a bit slow
[5:21] <edman007> heh, i just bought a wifi/ethernet dongle from china, $8.50 or so...shipped
[5:21] <SwK> loose solder connection + software for wrong MCP230XX chip strikes again
[5:21] <SwK> lol
[5:21] <edman007> and no drivers
[5:22] <SwK> no drivers? lol
[5:22] * edman007 has what is ending up to be a $300 IO board that should be up and running in a few weeks for his RPi
[5:22] <buzzsaw> I just ordered a AWUS036H today :-)
[5:22] <SwK> for $8.4 in hardware you can write your own drivers heh
[5:23] <buzzsaw> I know debian and kali run but what other distros have people played around with?
[5:23] <edman007> SwK, it's an access point, flip the switch and it just makes the ethernet port a wifi port...configed through a web interface
[5:23] <SwK> edman007: my little IE board much cheaper then 300 tho heh
[5:23] <SwK> edman007: nice
[5:23] <SwK> http://imgur.com/a/zPZyp IO board even???
[5:24] <SwK> buzzsaw: thats what is making me have a bruise on my forehead
[5:24] <epoch_> buzzsaw, I'm using Arch right now.
[5:25] <edman007> SwK, meh, well it's got a ~160W PSU, 10 @ 1A/12V motor reversable motor drivers, 12v/2A x2 LED drivers, 4 servo drivers at @3A... gryo, compass, accelerometer, rtc, absolute pressure
[5:25] <buzzsaw> I want to build a datamining wardriving kit and the rpi looks like it might be a good controler for it :-)
[5:25] <edman007> making an RC submarine
[5:26] <edman007> with video, ballast tanks, and functing underwater nav
[5:26] <fr0g911> hey anyone care to see if they can connect to my ircd running on the pi
[5:26] <fr0g911> i dont have an outside computer
[5:26] <buzzsaw> sure why not...
[5:26] <IncognitoMan> edman007: ive always wanted to make one like that lol
[5:27] <edman007> IncognitoMan, if the board design is good I'm willing to sell some of it, need to recoup costs, lol
[5:27] <IncognitoMan> edman007: refering to the sub
[5:27] <edman007> and I think I'm getting 10 boards from the PCB fab
[5:27] <edman007> IncognitoMan, ahh, yea, well it's working out to about $1000
[5:27] <IncognitoMan> rc stuff is fun....especially when its able to do more than just basic movement :P
[5:28] <SwK> edman007: nice
[5:28] <SwK> edman007: what gyro are you using?
[5:28] <edman007> IncognitoMan, yea, I'm taking some crazy risks, I already ordered the PCB, and I didn't breadboard the parts
[5:28] <edman007> A3G4250D
[5:29] <fr0g911> you get that buzzsaw
[5:29] <SwK> edman007: are those the export restricted ones? heh
[5:29] <epoch_> fr0g911, what's the IRC server?
[5:29] <fr0g911> irc.ruined-irc.net
[5:30] <fr0g911> 3 pi's running it
[5:30] <edman007> SwK, I don't think so...I didn't try exporting it though
[5:30] <epoch_> load-balanced?
[5:30] <fr0g911> sweet thx man
[5:30] <fr0g911> yup
[5:31] <fr0g911> im gonna drop about 200+ users to it
[5:31] <fr0g911> and see what happens
[5:31] <IncognitoMan> lol
[5:31] <IncognitoMan> i might turn one into a PSO ship server
[5:31] <IncognitoMan> but i need to run bsd on it to do that
[5:31] <fr0g911> whats that
[5:31] <SwK> http://i.imgur.com/Zg7VIIp.jpg thats how you install pull up resistors right? lol
[5:32] <edman007> SwK, we shall see how good I can get it, this is essentially what I work on for a full time job, lol
[5:32] <SwK> edman007: nice
[5:32] <edman007> though those gryos are absolutely export controlled
[5:32] <SwK> are you in the states?
[5:32] <edman007> yea
[5:33] <SwK> heh I was looking at some adafruit sells on a i2c board big note not for export dont even try
[5:34] <edman007> SwK, the ones are work are so sensitivitive they rotate them on the tests platforms and you can see the earth spinning in the outputs
[5:34] <buzzsaw> fr0g911: get what?
[5:34] <SwK> nice
[5:35] <edman007> SwK, anyways, if this nav stuff is working good I might just make a RPi nav library/hw doesn't seem to be anything really good out there, I could probably sell that
[5:35] <edman007> looks like at $50-60 total I could probably get a decent profit if my current config works for just nav type stuff
[5:35] <epoch_> I'd install BSD on my Pi but I don't have another thing that can do a 3.3v serial console.
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[5:36] <SwK> edman007: I wish people would put those gyros w/ some accelerometers into like a tomtom or something so when I'm driving int he city and the GPS loses lock I can go on to inertial nav
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[5:38] <edman007> I totally agree, though I think doing it right is probably too much (the gryo I bought is $17, bulk it's still like $10, which is very significant on things like a tom tom)
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[5:38] <SwK> where'd you get that gyro for $17?
[5:39] <edman007> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/A3G4250DTR/497-13200-1-ND/3594324
[5:39] <edman007> they probably will export it...
[5:39] <SwK> I'm in the states
[5:39] <edman007> ahh
[5:39] <SwK> so I'm not worried about that
[5:39] <edman007> then no need, lol
[5:40] <SwK> newark wants $22 for that part lol
[5:40] <edman007> heh
[5:41] <SwK> goes to show gotta shop for parts sometimes
[5:41] <buzzsaw> your irc server seems to work
[5:42] <edman007> SwK, I didn't shop around, just picked digikey because I like them for parts and bought there
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[5:43] <SwK> edman007: yeah I get a fair bit o stuff from newark when I order more PIs from them
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[5:43] <SwK> i should really check mouser and digikey more often for stuff
[5:45] <Essobi> SwK: wassssup
[5:45] <SwK> Essobi: oh making pretty stuff http://i.imgur.com/Zg7VIIp.jpg thats pretty right?
[5:45] <Essobi> SwK: you compiled fs on a marvell kirkwood yet? I got one working with a dev environment up now.
[5:46] <Essobi> SwK: giggity.. good job
[5:46] <SwK> Essobi: not yet
[5:46] <SwK> Essobi: those resistors are legit looking eh?
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[5:47] <SwK> Essobi: gimme access to that thing and we'll see if we can get it built on there
[5:48] <SwK> Essobi: what arch are those thing?
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[6:02] <Essobi> SwK: it's uh, ARMv5tel
[6:02] <Essobi> Pretty nifty box for $150.
[6:03] <Essobi> I'm slowly reversing everything on it.
[6:03] <Essobi> And it's sata based so it's fast on the iops.
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[6:04] <Essobi> 1G/128mb/16mbflash and add your own sata.
[6:04] <SwK> nice
[6:04] <SwK> I was looking at another board
[6:05] <SwK> Essobi: http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=IMX53QSB
[6:05] <SwK> thats what they use for the raspbian build cluster
[6:05] <Essobi> Neat.
[6:05] <SwK> those go for $149
[6:05] <Essobi> Screen is woa, thou.
[6:06] <Essobi> armv?
[6:06] <SwK> with the screen is 4 or 500 tho
[6:06] <SwK> yeah its armv7 iirc
[6:06] <SwK> i.MX53 1 GHz ARM Cortex-A8 Processor
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[6:06] <Essobi> Hmm. sata 3.0?
[6:07] <Essobi> Hmm.. think those are armv6
[6:07] <buzzsaw> rpi ordered :-)
[6:08] <Essobi> SwK: This kinda hot but I wish it had a box.
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[6:08] <Essobi> I need like 3K units so..
[6:08] <Essobi> Assembly is a tad important. ;)
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[6:09] <Essobi> http://www.amazon.com/Synology-DiskStation-Diskless-Network-Attached/dp/B007KWLXRK
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[12:23] <mgbowman> bonjourno
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[12:27] <epoch_> Hi.
[12:27] <mgbowman> Hi epoch_
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[12:28] <mgbowman> waiting on my digital led strip to arrive - going to try boblight on the pi
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[12:30] <Bochi> mgbowman: what did you order?
[12:30] <Bochi> what strip i mean
[12:31] <Bochi> also, is it possible to use the PI as a controller for boblight or is the controller board still required?
[12:32] <mgbowman> Bochi: I got the LPD8806 strip
[12:33] <Bochi> i see
[12:33] <Bochi> ok
[12:33] <mgbowman> this is a test setup
[12:33] <mgbowman> I'm planning to run only boblightd on the pi
[12:33] <mgbowman> XBMC (+boblight add-on) will run on mac mini
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[12:34] <mgbowman> "theoretically" you could use XBMC + boblightd on the pi
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> boblight?
[12:34] <mgbowman> but I prefer XBMC on the mini
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[12:34] <mgbowman> gordonDrogon: open-source ambilight (phillips tv) clone
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[12:35] <Bochi> mgbowman: but aren't strips required around the TV?
[12:35] <mgbowman> next on my list is a razberry
[12:35] <Bochi> ie. one at top, bottom, left, right?`
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> is that when you put the rgb strips at the back of the TV?
[12:35] <Bochi> or is it a one strip solution?
[12:35] <mgbowman> I have 5m but you can trim every 2 leds
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[12:35] <Bochi> yeah, but still, how does the rasp know what KED is where
[12:35] <Bochi> LED
[12:36] <mgbowman> I'll make 4 strips and wire some 4-pin 90 deg connectors
[12:36] <mgbowman> boblight does
[12:36] <Bochi> it does? ok
[12:36] <mgbowman> it's serial communication
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> some of the RGB controllers are clever.
[12:36] <Bochi> so its basically the same as sedu-light but WAY cheaper
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[12:36] <gordonDrogon> just make sure the strip you use is Pi compatible - not all are.
[12:36] <mgbowman> Bochi: yes if you're not scared to get your hands dirty
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> some have weird timings that just won't work on the Pi.
[12:36] <mgbowman> gordonDrogon: it is
[12:37] <mgbowman> this is more a prototype
[12:37] <Bochi> mgbowman: absolutely not, I am going to order 2 pis anyway because I have a talent to break them
[12:37] <Bochi> (already killed 3)
[12:37] <Bochi> :P
[12:37] <mgbowman> the "production" circuit will be based on an arduino uno
[12:37] <mgbowman> + I have a spare pi
[12:37] <mgbowman> so I'm not worried about bricking it
[12:38] <Bochi> nice pointer, thanks
[12:38] <Bochi> I was about to order sedulight this weekend for ~ 250 ??? total
[12:38] <Bochi> so I am going to save a few bucks using the rasp solution :)
[12:38] <mgbowman> there's also light pack (out of russia)
[12:38] <mgbowman> but I'm not sure where to buy it :)
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[12:38] <mgbowman> Bochi: I will report back on my success
[12:38] <Bochi> sweet
[12:39] <mgbowman> need to run to conrad and pick ups some parts
[12:39] <mgbowman> but my strips are still "out for delivery"
[12:39] <Bochi> conrad sucks
[12:39] <mgbowman> Bochi: you think so?
[12:39] <mgbowman> why?
[12:39] * mgbowman doesn't have RadioShack
[12:39] <Bochi> yes. they used to be a great shop but they got way too expensive and "commercial" lately
[12:39] <mgbowman> ??? and/or Frys
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[12:40] <mgbowman> for me it's Internet > Frys > Conrad > RadioShack :)
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[12:40] <Bochi> well, no RS or Frys here in germany
[12:40] <mgbowman> Bochi: yeah I'm in Austria
[12:41] <Bochi> actually the only shop in my city is conrad if you want to get electronic parts
[12:41] <mgbowman> same here :)
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[12:42] <mgbowman> it's ok in a pinch
[12:42] <mgbowman> most stuff online though
[12:42] <mgbowman> Bochi: so what interesting things have you done with your pis?
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> in the UK we have Maplin for a "bricks & mortar" type outfit, but mail-order from many suppliers works well - including Farnell & RS ...
[12:47] <ripzay> fyi - those wanting ambilight clones
[12:47] <ripzay> adafruit do a kit
[12:47] <ripzay> i believe it uses an arduino though
[12:48] <ripzay> http://learn.adafruit.com/adalight-diy-ambient-tv-lighting
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[12:48] <wxcafe> hey
[12:49] <wxcafe> i'm having trouble using a D-Link wifi adapter on my raspi on arch
[12:49] <wxcafe> i get an error
[12:50] <wxcafe> data.wxcafe.net/paste here's the error
[12:51] <wxcafe> the adapter is a D-Link Corp. DWA-121 802.11n Wireless N 150 Pico Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS] according to lsusb
[12:51] <wxcafe> and the driver module is installed
[12:52] <wxcafe> anyone has a clue?
[12:52] <nid0> whats the error
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[12:52] <wxcafe> http://data.wxcafe.net/paste
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[12:56] <wxcafe> i can paste a dmesg if you need it
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[12:57] <mgbowman> wxcafe: can you demsg | grep wlan0 ??
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[13:00] <parasciidic> quick question about rpiconfig - what do particular values in config_hdmi_boost mean?
[13:00] <mgbowman> yay! led strips are here!
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[13:01] <parasciidic> elinux says 7 is maximum for this option, but i've still experienced display flickering until i've set it to 15
[13:04] <tinti> any RTOS facilities suggestions for Linux?
[13:05] <dreamreal> the TX and RX pins are accessed in raspbian via /dev/ttyAMA0, right?
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[13:05] <wxcafe> back, sorry
[13:06] <wxcafe> http://data.wxcafe.net/paste2
[13:06] <wxcafe> mgbowman: ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
[13:07] <tinti> dreamreal: yes
[13:08] <mgbowman> wxcafe: well it looks like it's seeing the dev
[13:08] <mgbowman> but like I said ??? not much experience in arch
[13:08] <mgbowman> from your 1st paste bin, it looks like it can't find the dev
[13:08] <wxcafe> mgbowman: you didn't say :3
[13:08] <wxcafe> mgbowman: but i understand
[13:08] <wxcafe> what do you mean, the dev?
[13:09] <mgbowman> the wlan0 device
[13:09] <mgbowman> wlan0 error: No such file or directory
[13:09] <mgbowman> sounds like it can't find the physical dev
[13:10] <wxcafe> ?
[13:10] <dreamreal> tinti: k, thank you
[13:10] <wxcafe> sorry, i must have disconnected
[13:10] <dreamreal> I'm trying to send serial data via ttyAMA0 to a midi driver, and I can't tell if it's actually pushing data or not :/
[13:12] <wxcafe> mgbowman: oh, you mean the /dev/ file
[13:12] <wxcafe> ?
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[13:15] <mgbowman> wxcafe: there's no /dev/wlan0 file for network devices
[13:15] <wxcafe> no, i know that
[13:15] <mgbowman> wxcafe: sorry can't help you more
[13:15] <mgbowman> no decent 10A power supply at conrad!
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[13:20] <ozymandias_> hey, is there an easy way to tell if my SD card is borked? It worked for about 4 months, but now I'm getting write errors when I try to reinstall
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[13:22] <epoch_> dreamreal, connect another pi to the other end and see what comes back?
[13:23] <epoch_> Also, gotta make sure to disable anything else that might be using the port. A lot of distros have a serial console for the Pi enabled by default.
[13:23] <dreamreal> I only have the one pi
[13:23] <phw> I want a fullscreen application for a 170x120 display (framebuffer). What gui toolset is suitable for such small displays?
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[13:23] <dreamreal> epoch_: I reset the uart clock speed, that should have disabled it
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[13:25] <dreamreal> epoch_: http://www.siliconstuff.com/2012/08/serial-port-midi-on-raspberry-pi.html <-- what I did
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[13:28] <mgbowman> ok I'm out to conrad
[13:29] <mgbowman> I'll find what I need I'm sure
[13:29] <mgbowman> Bochi: will report back if I manage to get the leds lit!
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[13:34] <gordonDrogon> tinti, FreeRTOS has been ported to the Pi IIRC.
[13:34] <mgottschlag> dreamreal: you probably can connect the rx line to the tx line to get a loop to check that anything is sent at all
[13:34] <tinti> gotdonDrogon: really nice. Thank you.
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> tinti, I'd suggest that even with that it's not the best platform for 'hard' real-time control though, but it might work for you.
[13:35] <tinti> thanks gordon, in fact real time is not the primary requirement
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> you might want th stick to Linux then... makes it easier to program if nothing else!
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[13:37] <dreamreal> mgottschlag: what's the best way to test that programmatically?
[13:37] <mgottschlag> minicom
[13:38] <mgottschlag> start minicom (I think "minicom -s" for configuration), set the correct speed etc and just type something into it
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[13:39] <dreamreal> mgottschlag: and just connect rx directly to tx?
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[13:39] <mgottschlag> either directly or through that circuit, but connecting them directly shouldn't do any harm
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, I'm not sure you can get the Pi's uart to talk at proper midi speeds ...
[13:41] <mgottschlag> gordonDrogon: you can set the frequency very flexibly
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> let me know how.
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[13:41] <gordonDrogon> as its something I keep getting asked.
[13:41] <mgottschlag> let me look that up
[13:42] <mgottschlag> I only did it from the videocore site through the miniuart, and that one has a frequency divider register which can take any possible value
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> it's not a standard divider that unix knows about - from what Iv'e read you need to change the clock divider frequency that drives the uart and maybe other things too.
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> I'm actually considering putting together a little addon board with a pair of uarts fixed to sandard midi baud rate.
[13:43] <dreamreal> okay, odd - it says it can't open /dev/ttyAMA0
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, add 'dialout' to 'pi' in /etc/group
[13:43] <mgottschlag> gordonDrogon: actually, that article above seems to describe it
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> then logout/login again.
[13:43] <mgottschlag> init_uart_clock in config.txt
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> let me check it then..
[13:44] <dreamreal> pi's already there
[13:44] <mgottschlag> dreamreal: sudo?
[13:44] <dreamreal> mgottschlag: that's what I did, actually
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[13:45] <gordonDrogon> ok. my knowledge was a bit old then - I suspect that's relatively new!
[13:45] <mgottschlag> dreamreal: what rights/owner/group does that file have?
[13:45] <Megaf> hi folks, I found a good used for my rpi, replacing my adsl router DHCP server and use it as DNS and HTTP (lighttpd) server
[13:46] <dreamreal> which file? /dev/ttyAMA0?
[13:46] <mgottschlag> yes
[13:46] <dreamreal> 550 root,tty
[13:46] <mgottschlag> then either sudo or adding your user to tty should actually work
[13:46] <mgottschlag> no idea why sudo doesn't work
[13:47] <dreamreal> yeah, something funky this way ... exists
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, root,tty for /dev/ttyAMA0? Odd - it's usually root,dialout
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> crw-rw---T 1 root dialout 204, 64 Jan 1 1970 /dev/ttyAMA0
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, or are you running something other than Raspbian?
[13:48] <mgottschlag> it might also be possible that something is locking the file
[13:48] <dreamreal> nah, running raspbian
[13:48] <mgottschlag> for example a terminal on that tty, check your /etc/inittab (or however that is configured on arch with systemd, I think it was somewhere else)
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[13:49] <A124> RPi uses way too much memory
[13:50] <dreamreal> damn it, /etc/inittab was starting a tty on ttyAMA0
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> A124, run less programs on it then.
[13:50] <dreamreal> now let's see
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[13:51] <A124> gordonDrogon: Um.. What Should I kill then?
[13:51] <dreamreal> so with echo off, running minicom should give me the content as I type it, right?
[13:51] <dreamreal> just once?
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> A124, I've no idea - hard to know what you're using it for...
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, if you loop tx^rx ..
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[13:52] <A124> gordonDrogon: cli :P 35MB is way lot
[13:52] <mgottschlag> dreamreal: yes
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[13:52] <gordonDrogon> A124, it's not a microcontroller - it's a Linux PC. Expect it to use more memory, need more resources ..
[13:53] <A124> gordonDrogon: Nah. I run my x86 comp on 11MB
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> A124, you just need to learn to work with those resources.
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> A124, 11MB to run X11 in? Well done.
[13:53] <A124> I said cli :P
[13:53] <dreamreal> okay, still odd
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> ok
[13:53] <A124> Also Speaking of RPi, it's cli
[13:53] <dreamreal> A124: which shell
[13:54] <dreamreal> I hooked up a multimeter to TX/GND, get 3.3v... sending 'U' to /dev/ttyAMA0 at 100 baud doesn't change that data
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, it's unlikely to show on a multimeter.
[13:54] <A124> dreamreal: sh
[13:54] <dreamreal> and it's, um, very fast, which doesn't sound valid
[13:55] <dreamreal> A124: on the pi *now*?
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, if minicom isn't echoing characters then there is something amis.
[13:55] <A124> dreamreal: No, on Pi it's bash
[13:55] <athanor> Plenty of gui for RasPi. I just put Bodhi on a VM, and strongly considering trying it on the Pi. It feels so smooth on here (until I open a Java IDE, which I'd never try on the Pi).
[13:55] <dreamreal> A124: I think your requirements are unrealistic for the pi
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> ARM instruction set might not be as efficient as x86 instructions, so might need a bit more RAM.
[13:56] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: hmm, I wonder how to debug it
[13:56] * dreamreal is just musing
[13:56] <mgottschlag> dreamreal: what exactly did you connect?
[13:56] <dreamreal> I have some newer rpis on the way, but I really want to hit this milestone today
[13:56] <mgottschlag> just a wire from one pin to the other?
[13:56] <A124> dreamreal: Wow. Nice to hear. I like doing 'unrealistic' things ;)
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, I just put a jumper between tx & rx and run minicom - baud rate doesn't matter, but turn off hardware handshake.
[13:56] <dreamreal> mgottschlag: well, right now it's just TX and GND connected to a multimeter
[13:56] <dreamreal> A124: *shrug* so fix it
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, there's also a test program in wiringPi if you want.
[13:57] <A124> dreamreal: So what? .. That's my decision :P
[13:57] <dreamreal> I don't know what the value of unused ram is, honestly; unless you need it for something else, why worry about it?
[13:57] <dreamreal> A124: sure, and your consequence. Fix it!
[13:57] <A124> blah blah blah
[13:57] <A124> Thre is nothing to fix
[13:57] <mgottschlag> dreamreal: yeah, a multimeter won't show anything, maybe a drop from 3.3V to a bit less if you pipe random data into the tty
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> so live with it.
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[13:57] <A124> Maybe myself :-/
[13:57] <dreamreal> mgottschlag: that's what I was looking for, actually :/
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, try a string of control-@'s.
[13:58] <dreamreal> okay, serialTest *worked* with loopback
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[13:58] <parasciidic> any reason for xorg to crap out when i'm opening a window in fluxbox on raspi?
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[13:58] <dreamreal> so I'll look at that and try to see what I'm screwing up
[13:59] <parasciidic> segfaults with a FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Operation not permitted
[13:59] <parasciidic> xorg is 1.14, distro is arch
[13:59] <dreamreal> ah, I wasn't calling wiringPiSetup()
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, hm. you shouldn't need to call wiringPiSetup for just the serial port...
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[14:02] <dreamreal> hmm
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> unless you're using other IO pins that is ...
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> Ah, if you're using millis() or delay() then you do need a wiringPiSetup() and you can use wiringPiSetupSys() if you don't want to be root.
[14:03] <dreamreal> I'm not :/
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> I just noticed that serialTest does...
[14:04] <dreamreal> Eventually I'll be using I2C but that's a separate milestone
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> I2C for midi?
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[14:05] <dreamreal> no
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[14:05] <dreamreal> I2C for controller input, RXTX for midi out
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[14:06] <dreamreal> the controller input milestone works, I can detect pedals as they're pressed
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[14:07] <gordonDrogon> :)
[14:08] <A124> RPi is just huuuge on memory
[14:08] <A124> Because of.. debian core that is in full strangth
[14:08] <Hodapp> wow, usbip has been in the mainline kernel and I never realized. derp.
[14:09] <neilr> A124: don't use Debian then
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[14:09] <Julius-ZM> Hi guys, :-)
[14:09] <A124> neilr: Nah. If don't run into driver problems etc. I'll might swap when I need those MBytes :P
[14:09] <Julius-ZM> I'm a newbie with raspberry pi ...
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[14:11] <Julius-ZM> Is it possible to have more OS on the SD card? like openelec, raspbian, armarch
[14:11] <Julius-ZM> ?
[14:11] <ShiftPlusOne> look up berryboot
[14:11] <Hodapp> Julius-ZM: Sorta. Look into berryboot.
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[14:11] <Julius-ZM> Thanks a lot!
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[14:12] <Hodapp> hrmm, I'm on Raspbian, but I've not updated in awhile and I'm wondering if there's a straightforward way to get the kernel source for this specific version so I need not get source for a totally different one
[14:12] <Hodapp> need to build a module that's not default
[14:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Not quite getting the question. What's the concern? Why can't you just download the source from github and compile it with the settings you need?
[14:13] <Hodapp> I'm avoiding building an entirely new kernel.
[14:14] <dreamreal> okay, I can replicate the serialTest, albeit at a much lower baud rate
[14:14] <ShiftPlusOne> You want to just build the module and want to make sure that it works with existing module then?
[14:14] <ShiftPlusOne> (rxisting kernel
[14:14] <ShiftPlusOne> *existing
[14:14] <Hodapp> I want to use the module.
[14:16] <ShiftPlusOne> you _should_ be fine just downloading the kernel from github, copying the config from /proc, enabling the module, compiling and copying the module across. It might not be that easy though. I usually prefer to build the kernel and modules at the same time if I can help it.
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, using your own code?
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[14:20] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: yeah
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[14:21] <gordonDrogon> ok, good!
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> A124, there's really no point complaining here about lack of memory, or memory bloat by applications. Compliain about generic linux (on other forums, etc.) if you want to complain about that. We here mostly just accept what it is - a nice little ?30 Linux PC and get on with it.
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[14:24] <mgottschlag> OpenWRT is able to run on routers with 32MB RAM and less, the same should be possible on the pi as well of course, you just have to build it yourself, and you have to accept some drawbacks
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> hard to do that on something more general purpose though.
[14:25] <A124> gordonDrogon: Not complaining.. just sayin
[14:25] <Hodapp> There were guides on tldp.org about how to boot Linux on 2 MB laptops. Run old old Linux all you want.
[14:25] <Triffid_Hunter> Hodapp: problem is, you need to be using the same toolchain to compile a module against an existing kernel binary.. fwiw, my rpi has /proc/config.gz available
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> A124, you're saying to those who know though - we know this and live with it.
[14:26] <Hodapp> Triffid_Hunter: It is things like this that I was afraid of
[14:26] <A124> You are arguing with me all the time
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[14:26] <A124> Or someone else
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> oh you want an argument?
[14:26] <A124> So.. it was a reply
[14:26] <A124> omfg
[14:27] <Hodapp> ...
[14:27] <A124> Can't you just throw it off?
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> A124, this is a family friendly channel and that gets you a warning.
[14:27] <Jck_true> TCCBOOT? A boatloader that compiles your linux kernel during boot time...
[14:27] <dreamreal> A124: well, I think at this point maybe the point's been belabored too much
[14:27] <A124> Warning for what?
[14:27] <A124> I don't want any argument.
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[14:27] <gordonDrogon> not using family friendly language.
[14:27] <A124> You keep pushing me.
[14:27] <dreamreal> the pi is what it is, the kernel uses what it uses, if you want to fix it, please do so
[14:27] <dreamreal> you're not being pushed
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[14:27] <Hodapp> Triffid_Hunter: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=121691 - I'm attempting the instructions from 'secretagent' here
[14:27] <A124> Oh my friendly god?
[14:28] <A124> That's not friendly?
[14:28] <Hodapp> That's not what "omfg" stands for, and you know it.
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> just drop it, ok?
[14:28] <dreamreal> um, yeah, "friendly" is what you meant, and you're the only person ever to use that rendering for that phrase
[14:29] <A124> Some people here are trying to be contructive, while some are going to conceal it in 'you can't say whether I'm polite or not' bombardment or poking possibly generating a dispute.
[14:30] <dreamreal> I'm trying to be constructive in saying "fix it and stop complaining"
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> indeed. you're complaining about the size of programs on the Pi. We know this. It's not going away. Deal with it.
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> or fix it.
[14:30] <A124> gordonDrogon: First you poke me again and again, and then after not dropping it when asked, you continue and later asking me to drop off?
[14:31] <A124> I just stated it's the kernel, to confirm that. Nothing else
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> nothing to stop you compiling your own.
[14:31] * neilr mentions RISC OS again :)
[14:31] <A124> Your hitting on me will maybe
[14:31] <dreamreal> A124: please stop
[14:31] <dreamreal> just fix it
[14:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Why are we ganging up on A124 here?
[14:32] <dreamreal> we're not
[14:32] <A124> Only you, gordonDrogon and dreamreal was actually hitting without no reason.
[14:32] <Hodapp> I fail to see how we are.
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> Who? I'm ignoring him now.
[14:32] <dreamreal> hitting?
[14:32] <dreamreal> How is anyone "hitting" you?
[14:32] <Hodapp> He's like that hotwings doof that kept PMing me and telling me that I was going to get banned.
[14:33] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think I said anything... I was just jumping in to point out that people are ganging up on you for no reason, but hey.
[14:33] <A124> Thanks to all people that had constructive feedback, such as Hodapp, ShiftPlusOne, Jck_true, Triffid_Hunter, mgottschlag, Julius-ZM, neilr
[14:34] <Hodapp> I don't think I provided any, but nice try.
[14:34] * ShiftPlusOne is confused and goes back to doing whatever it is he does.
[14:34] <dreamreal> I'm not sure how my feedback wasn't ("it is what it is, if you don't think it's correct, you should fix it") but whatever
[14:34] <Hodapp> wait a minute, why am I pulling the entire git repo just to get one specific kernel version?
[14:34] <Hodapp> these instructions seems a little unneeded.
[14:34] <A124> Hodapp: I would cite you, but no reason :P
[14:35] <dreamreal> ... just like the rest of the conversation around executable size :)
[14:35] <A124> dreamreal: Your feedback to rate as constructive rates for a retarded person.
[14:35] <A124> At least for me, sorry for that.
[14:36] <dreamreal> A124: and yet *I'm* supposed to be "hitting on" you. *sigh*
[14:37] <Hodapp> that is a LOT to transfer over my tiny connection when I could just get a ZIP file of the latest rev.
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[14:37] <dreamreal> Hodapp: indeed :)
[14:37] <A124> I even appologize and you still have the urge. I'm ingoring any unconctructive saying from your side from now on. It's just useless spamming and killing.
[14:37] <dreamreal> woot!
[14:37] <dreamreal> and now we have the first evidence of killing via irc!
[14:37] <mgottschlag> okay, everybody, could we please go back to normal business here?
[14:37] <dreamreal> sorry
[14:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I think I am going to start kicking people that won't move on.
[14:38] <A124> ShiftPlusOne: Good idea.
[14:39] <ShiftPlusOne> So ahm, how about that weather, ey?
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> still raining here.
[14:39] <Pitel_IPEX> cloudy
[14:40] <neilr> http://www.ronketti.org.uk/temp.html
[14:40] <neilr> Waiting for snow. Still 6C
[14:40] <ShiftPlusOne> well my job is done here =p
[14:40] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: psssh, it's always raining on you :P
[14:40] <neilr> mmm, looking at that, there's nowhere near enough tea drunk today.
[14:40] * neilr wanders off to put the kettle on
[14:41] * Hodapp follows neilr with some Earl Grey in his hand.
[14:41] <pksato> lol http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3553
[14:42] <Hodapp> on the other hand, Irish Coffee sounds nice right about now
[14:42] <Hodapp> and turns out to be quite good made with Aeropress coffee
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, yea - I live in hte 2nd wettest town in my county...
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> already had my 2nd Earl Grey today...
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[14:44] <Hodapp> I've mostly been drinking green tea.
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> 2 coffees & 2 teas.... decaf for me for the rest of the day now...
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[14:47] <Hodapp> pssssh
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> right. dismantling stress tester to put in 2 x mcp23s17's to see if it's chod's board or my code that's at fault...
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> good job I have a 2nd mcp23s17 - from a rev 1 PiFace board...
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> the rev 2 is SMT...
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[15:07] <gordonDrogon> Hm. might not be chod's board afterall..
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[15:14] <bacteu> hi
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[15:17] <buzzsaw> doh... placed order last night and it did not send me a confirmation :-(
[15:17] <buzzsaw> called the company. Oh here we have you in the system but you have not placed any orders with us.
[15:18] <nid0> time to place that order then!
[15:19] <buzzsaw> yeah then it comes back oh you have 2x on the way...
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> :)
[15:21] <IT_Sean> If they aren't showing an order in their system, i wouldn't hold your breath waiting for one to arrive.
[15:21] <buzzsaw> I have not purchased a SD card in quite some time, where is the best place to get them for inexpensive now days?
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> as long as thery only take payment once!
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> what country?
[15:22] <buzzsaw> IT_Sean: I worked for a company that processes orders :-) that is not always true ;-)
[15:22] <buzzsaw> United States
[15:23] <bacteu> buzzsaw: amazon is best imo but make sure you choose one that amazon is selling themselves (not the marketplace) to avoid buying a fake
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[15:25] <buzzsaw> wow that is a better price :-)
[15:26] <bacteu> buzzsaw: for example, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007JRB0SS
[15:26] <buzzsaw> lol last time I got a SD card they were only a few hundred MB :-)
[15:26] <A124> So... back to that "memory thing" ... <6MB ram, <20MB system on disk
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[15:28] <bacteu> buzzsaw: I'd recommend getting a 4gb card, which should be enough for a pi if you're not planning to store larges amount of media
[15:29] <A124> I recommend 16BG
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[15:29] <A124> 4GB is bare minimum to be sane with Raspbian. 16GB gives room for data/video, whatever you work or make the Pi
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[15:30] <buzzsaw> yeah I am going for the 16GB not sure what the 16BG is ;-)
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> Hm. those mcp23s17's are more cunning that I first anticipated.
[15:31] <nid0> 4GB is generally plenty if you're not putting large media files on the device
[15:31] <buzzsaw> I wont be using X or doing any video with it
[15:31] <ShadowJK> the pi power port is microusb, right..
[15:31] <buzzsaw> nah I need more than 8 :-)
[15:31] <neilr> Both my pis have 4GB cards, with an external HDD for any mass storage that I need
[15:31] <IT_Sean> ShadowJK: yes, it is.
[15:31] <A124> I would choose 4GB only if I were doing GPIO programming and stuff. Else it's generally better to get 8 or 16GB depending on you and use. :P
[15:31] <bacteu> ShadowJK: it can be powered through the usb ports in the later models
[15:31] <ShadowJK> IT_Sean; Model B ver 2?
[15:32] <buzzsaw> I will be collecting data on it so... on top of the OS I will neex some extra space
[15:32] <ShadowJK> uh, that was to bacteu
[15:32] <neilr> (I always wonder about how to pluralise 'pi' in a family friendly channel)
[15:32] <IT_Sean> ShadowJK: ALL the raspis use the same microUSB power goesinta
[15:32] <A124> neilr: That is smart.. but when one does not want's external.. then it's USB flashdisk.. or.. the SD card
[15:32] <nid0> buzzsaw: the os itself, with no X, will be in the ballpark of 1.2-1.4GB
[15:32] <neilr> A124: Yes, fair point - I use an external HDD just because I had one spare.
[15:32] <buzzsaw> nid0: I plan on running KALI on it just because :-)
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[15:33] <buzzsaw> so... with the tools and such it will require more
[15:33] <ShadowJK> IT_Sean; weird. Ordered a usb - micro-a cable before I went sleep this morning, and the shop had emailed and asked if I was intending to use it for rPi because it wont work for that. When I didn't reply they sent it anyway :)
[15:33] <bacteu> shadeslayer: http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware#Power
[15:33] <nid0> buzzsaw: fwiw:
[15:33] <nid0> rootfs 15G 1.6G 13G 12% /
[15:33] <bacteu> *shadowjk
[15:33] <IT_Sean> ShadowJK: the shop was probably trying to rip you off by selling a more expensive one. MicroUSB is MicroUSB is MicroUSB.
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[15:33] <nid0> thats my pi running a web/sql server with php, varnish, quite a few modules, various ipmi, and a few other bits and pieces installed
[15:34] <bacteu> IT_Sean: You're wrong
[15:34] <ShadowJK> IT_Sean; then I started thinking about A, B and AB musb
[15:35] <bacteu> ShadowJK: You definitely don't want a micro-a adaptor
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[15:35] <bacteu> ShadowJK: You want micro b
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[15:36] <Zencrypter> Hi everybody ! :)
[15:36] <buzzsaw> is there a touch screen yet? :-)
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[15:36] <bacteu> ShadowJK: Here's the difference, http://www.yogaretnam.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/micro_usb_type_a_b.jpg
[15:36] <pksato> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Types-usb_th1.svg/500px-Types-usb_th1.svg.png
[15:37] <Zencrypter> Has anyone of you tried Barracuda Drive ?
[15:37] <nid0> as in, ever?
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[15:38] <bacteu> ShadowJK: You might be able to make it fit if you take a hacksaw to the corners
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[15:40] <ShadowJK> oh oops :)
[15:40] <Zencrypter> Nobody ?
[15:41] <bacteu> ShadowJK: unfortunately not many devices use micro-usb-a anymore, it's be depreciated
[15:41] <Zencrypter> I'm actually interested in Barracudadrive but I'm also using Nginx now...
[15:41] <bacteu> Zencrypter: stick with nginx
[15:41] <Zencrypter> So since Barracudadrive uses its own server, I thought there would be a problem...
[15:42] <Zencrypter> Both can't be installed at the same time I think...
[15:42] <Zencrypter> bacteu, What do you mean?
[15:42] <nid0> they can be used at the same time, but either on different ports or using a proxy in front of them
[15:42] <Zencrypter> Ok...
[15:42] <Zencrypter> Well, I could use the HTTPS port to run Barracudadrive ! :)
[15:43] <Zencrypter> And that would be even better...
[15:43] <Zencrypter> nid0, Can we tell barracudadrive which port to use ?
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[15:44] <buzzsaw> does class 4 vs class 10 matter?
[15:44] <Zencrypter> nid0, A kind of "listen 80" :??
[15:44] <Zencrypter> buzzsaw, I don't think so...
[15:44] <buzzsaw> from what I understand class 10 is faster
[15:44] <bacteu> Zencrypter: perhaps this, http://barracudadrive.com/blog/2008/12
[15:44] <nid0> Edit or create bd.conf in the directory where you installed BD. Make sure the bd.conf file has the two following lines:
[15:44] <nid0> port=
[15:45] <nid0> and
[15:45] <nid0> sslport=
[15:45] <Zencrypter> nid0, Yeah :)
[15:45] <nid0> with the ports you want
[15:45] <bacteu> buzzsaw: yes, in general bigger is better
[15:45] <IT_Sean> class 10 is faster for sequential access. It will not necessarily be faster in a pi
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[15:45] <bacteu> class 10 is supposed to be slightly worse for smaller files like an OS would have
[15:45] <buzzsaw> bacteu: not always the case :-)
[15:45] <buzzsaw> ah
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[15:47] <Zencrypter> nid0, Thanks ! I googled "barracudadrive nginx" but I didn't find any result since then. :)
[15:48] <ShiftPlusOne> bing it
[15:48] <Zencrypter> :??
[15:48] <Zencrypter> > 2013
[15:48] <Zencrypter> > Bing
[15:48] <bacteu> bing just crawls google for the results
[15:48] <Zencrypter> > ISHYGDDT :??
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[15:51] <Zencrypter> nid0, Quite a strange method...
[15:51] <Zencrypter> nid0, "Forwarding Nginx on Barracudadrive"
[15:51] * dreamreal ponders. RX and TX work, now to figure out how to verify baud rate...
[15:51] <dreamreal> nginx, ew
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[15:52] * ShadowJK likes the flashcardsurvey page at linaro.org/ somewhere..
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[15:55] <buzzsaw> lol I tried to look at bing but I have it routeed to at my router So...
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, you just got to trust the numbers unless you have a 'scope.
[15:55] <buzzsaw> nothing came back on it
[15:56] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: *nod* A scope is out of the question for today, though :(
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, although you could tx/rx (loopback) a few 1000 characters and time it - 10 bits / char ...
[15:56] <dreamreal> hmm, good idea
[15:57] <dreamreal> man, you're full of these, you should try to write stuff every now and then :)
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> I tought daisy-chaining mcp23s17's was a good idea too :)
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> turns out they have a nice little quirk to them that makes life somewhat interesting. Now to start the documentation...
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[16:02] <buzzsaw> anyone know a good mcm part number for a powersupply?
[16:05] <buzzsaw> I think this will work http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/28-13055
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[16:10] <bacteu> buzzsaw: do you trust the brand? Sometimes cheaper brands will exaggerate the amp rating
[16:11] <buzzsaw> what does the Pi draw?
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[16:12] <IT_Sean> buzzsaw: the Pi requires a supply capable of a minimum of 750mA. 1A is recommended.
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[16:13] <buzzsaw> I will give it a try, if it works it works if not will get a different one
[16:13] <buzzsaw> everything I have is 500mA
[16:13] <IT_Sean> that won't cut it
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[16:13] <ShiftPlusOne> if you don't plug in any usb devices, it should be fine.
[16:13] <buzzsaw> yeah... thats why I think I am 1A I posted
[16:14] <buzzsaw> ShiftPlusOne: I will be running a wifi card.
[16:14] <IT_Sean> USB WiFi?
[16:15] <IT_Sean> You may need a powered hub for that.
[16:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, you'll probably want to buy a supply then. It's hard to tell whether it will work just by the description
[16:15] <buzzsaw> yeah I will look for a powered hub at the thrift shops :-)
[16:15] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, probably no hub needed, just make sure to plug the card in before powering the pi.
[16:16] <IT_Sean> Depends on the wifi thumb.
[16:16] <bacteu> I have no issues with powering a usb dongle on my pi
[16:16] <bacteu> *wifi dongle
[16:16] <IT_Sean> Some will work right off the Pi.
[16:17] <buzzsaw> I will likley be running a Alfa AWUS036H
[16:17] <buzzsaw> its a 1000mW card so I will likley need to be hub powered
[16:18] <bacteu> buzzsaw: is that one of the big high watt ones?
[16:18] <Zencrypter> buzzsaw, You can buy a powered hub and a "Y" cable
[16:19] <buzzsaw> bacteu: yeah it is
[16:19] <Zencrypter> buzzsaw, There is also this kind of Hub : http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00020885.html
[16:19] <buzzsaw> however I will stay in rfmon most of the time
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[16:19] <bacteu> I have a little dish for my RTL8187L
[16:19] <Zencrypter> There are two 1.2A charging ports.
[16:20] <buzzsaw> bacteu: have you used it for wireless sniffing?
[16:20] <buzzsaw> I cant remember if the rtl8187 does that or not
[16:20] <bacteu> buzzsaw: no, I'm not into that sort of thing
[16:21] <buzzsaw> why not?
[16:21] <bacteu> buzzsaw: I only used it for getting a solid signal through many concrete walls
[16:21] <bacteu> buzzsaw: It's stealing
[16:21] <buzzsaw> nono...
[16:21] <IT_Sean> ...
[16:21] <buzzsaw> not doing that
[16:22] <buzzsaw> thats like saying everyone that has an mp3 is stealing :-) I get mine from amazon and itunes :-) different uses
[16:22] <bacteu> buzzsaw: what legitmate uses are there for wifi sniffing?
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[16:24] <buzzsaw> data collection :-)
[16:25] <buzzsaw> movement analysis
[16:25] <buzzsaw> location determination
[16:25] <buzzsaw> penatration testing (on systems you are authorised)
[16:25] <buzzsaw> watching for attack on wireless networks
[16:26] <buzzsaw> bacteu: the list is acutually quite long...
[16:28] <buzzsaw> If your not doing it I would call you an irresponsible system adamin/network admin...
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[16:29] <buzzsaw> LE officials can use wifi sniffing in crime investigations
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[16:30] <IT_Sean> It's also just good fun! :p
[16:30] <buzzsaw> to legaly monitor communication etc etc etc
[16:30] <buzzsaw> that too ;-)
[16:31] <buzzsaw> IT_Sean: have you done it with a rpi yet?
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[16:32] <buzzsaw> I am interesting in knowing how well a wifi card works in rfmon :-) can it cycle fast enough to pick up probe requests?
[16:32] <IT_Sean> buzzsaw: no
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[16:32] <IT_Sean> I use my laptop for any wifi based hankey pankey
[16:33] <buzzsaw> well I am looking at the rPi for its size :-)
[16:33] <buzzsaw> the Kali (BackTrack) team already released kali for the rPi so I figure it has to be atleast simi capable...
[16:34] <humle85> buzzsaw hi bro, have your tried it out the Kali on rpi?
[16:34] <buzzsaw> nope placing my order for t now
[16:35] <buzzsaw> I wont be using the gui so...
[16:35] <buzzsaw> freaking order id not go through last night
[16:36] <humle85> Ok, just wanted to hear, haven??t got the time jet to try it out on the pi
[16:36] <humle85> where did you place the order?
[16:36] <buzzsaw> I hear with X running its kind of slow...
[16:36] <buzzsaw> mcm
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[16:36] <buzzsaw> they say its instock...
[16:36] <humle85> i don??t need X, just a fully suite of tools that??s fine
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[16:37] <humle85> where in UK ?
[16:38] <buzzsaw> nope usa
[16:38] <buzzsaw> doh... pastebin is down
[16:39] * buzzsaw should build his own paste site...
[16:39] <bacteu> buzzsaw: there's enough pastebins
[16:39] <RiXtEr> paste.ubuntu.com
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[16:40] <bacteu> buzzsaw: the better ones will actually execute your code
[16:40] <ryanteck> I'm thinking about one that would work with my Raspberry Pi Projects site (Pideas)
[16:40] <buzzsaw> I dont need that :-) just a place to dump data for a second :-)
[16:40] <humle85> Don??t know any webshop there having it on stock. I know one in Europe with a loot
[16:43] <buzzsaw> bacteu: in case you missed it due to a dropped connection http://paste.ubuntu.com/5637294/
[16:44] <bacteu> buzzsaw: oh don't worry, I checked via datagutt's log
[16:44] <buzzsaw> okay :-)
[16:44] <buzzsaw> you ought to give it a try some time...
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[16:45] <bacteu> buzzsaw: I don't work for a company that needs pentesting
[16:46] <buzzsaw> for the fun of it ;-)
[16:46] <buzzsaw> I checked and the rtl8187 is indeed supported by aircrack-ng
[16:47] <bacteu> buzzsaw: I find it's more fun to write code than to use automated tools to violate others privacy
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[16:48] <buzzsaw> bacteu: you mean parse what they are shouting out to the world ;-)
[16:48] <buzzsaw> there is no violation of privacy as they do not have a "Resonable expectation of privacy" in this case...
[16:48] <bacteu> buzzsaw: yes they do
[16:48] <buzzsaw> no they dont
[16:49] <bacteu> You can't just say that they want you to sniff them because they don't encrypt 100% of their traffic
[16:49] <buzzsaw> to have a reasonable expectation of privacy one must take measures to create that privacy...
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[16:49] <buzzsaw> sure you can... but thats not what I am saying.
[16:50] <bacteu> buzzsaw: No, you can't.
[16:50] <buzzsaw> yes you can
[16:50] <buzzsaw> your wrong
[16:50] <bacteu> O.o
[16:50] <buzzsaw> please provide supporting documtation :-)
[16:50] <nid0> bacteu: its also not 2002 any more, every router sold these days has wifi encryption on, if people intentionally disable it to make the information directly available to anyone in an x hundred foot radius, you have no expectation for that information to stay private
[16:51] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[16:51] <bacteu> nid0: The point is, buzzsaw uses tools to break that password protected wifi network
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[16:51] <buzzsaw> no i dont
[16:51] <buzzsaw> and i do not appreciate your lies...
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[16:51] <buzzsaw> and your rude attack...
[16:52] <buzzsaw> I have never in my life broken a proected password for a wifi network
[16:52] <buzzsaw> you need to check yourself...
[16:53] <ReggieUK> ok, time to take this conversation elsewhere please guys :)
[16:53] * buzzsaw adds bacteu to ignore for his ignorance and rudeness
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[16:54] <bacteu> ReggieUK: The discussion involves raspberry pies, it is entirely relevent.
[16:54] <bacteu> ReggieUK: So, no.
[16:55] <IT_Sean> bacteu: you were told by a #raspberrypi channel operator to drop it.
[16:55] <bacteu> IT_Sean: Is that supposed to mean something?
[16:58] <IT_Sean> bacteu: yes. It is. If a channel operator tells you to drop a conversation, you are expected to obey that instruction.
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> there are better places than here to talk about pentesting, etc. even on a Pi.
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[16:59] <bacteu> IT_Sean: Quite the ego.
[16:59] <ReggieUK> and when one party in a discussion is offended by another party and blocks that person, it's a good guess that the conversation is over
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[17:00] <buzzsaw> that not all I want to do with it gordonDrogon ;-)
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[17:03] <buzzsaw> order placed :-)
[17:03] <buzzsaw> somehow I get the feeling that I will get a double order :-s
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[17:04] <buzzsaw> thats okay i guess... I can play witht he gipo stuff.
[17:06] <neilr> Here's a question for a Friday afternoon... I'm planning a new office for myself as part of some building works. Want to use a pi for controlling heating. Any other things I can automate with it?
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[17:07] <gordonDrogon> do you really want to use a Pi? I'm all for it, but there are plenty of commercial solutions that just work too...
[17:07] <nid0> lighting?
[17:07] <IT_Sean> you are really only limited by your imagination, and your electronics skills.
[17:07] <buzzsaw> a simple arduino (custom chip) would be less expensive and just as effective...
[17:08] <buzzsaw> it depends on what you mean by control your heating too :-)
[17:08] <neilr> Well, it's just for playing really - I have a few kicking around, that's all.
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> arduino - good, but less 'accessible' - Pi is almost (but not quite entirely like) Arduino with ethernet shield...
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> electric or gas heating?
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[17:08] <buzzsaw> yeah if you want to use ethernet thats one thing
[17:08] <neilr> As for controlling heating - just use a DS18B20 to measure temp, and then control a small heater through a relay
[17:09] <buzzsaw> but you can get a mcu for $3 plus a few things :-)
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[17:09] <neilr> Well, yes, I do want to use ethernet so I can keep an eye on things when I'm not in the office
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[17:09] <neilr> and do things like this :)
[17:09] <buzzsaw> hold on a sec I will show you a cool 802.11 thing that you can use wirelessly ;-)
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> if electric then you'll need big relays or solidstate equivalents.
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[17:11] <neilr> Well, yes, I *can* use wireless, but when the pi is about 15cm from the switch it makes little sense!
[17:11] <buzzsaw> if you want the full url I can provide it was just long http://bit.ly/16Nuqca
[17:11] <buzzsaw> NRF24L01+
[17:11] <buzzsaw> the chineese version is super cheap
[17:12] <buzzsaw> they use 2.4ghz but not 802.11a/b/g/n
[17:12] <neilr> mmm, how about a solar panel on the roof, mounted on a rotating pole to follow the sun across the sky?
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> neilr, what kind of heaters - electric fan?
[17:12] <neilr> Assuming we ever see any sun. I know I'm being optimistic.
[17:12] <neilr> Not sure yet - like i say, just pondering ideas at the mo
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> sun? what's that..
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[17:12] <buzzsaw> neilr: the amount of energy to move that panel is going to eat into what you generate :-)
[17:13] <buzzsaw> your best just to do the math and place in a optamised direction
[17:13] <neilr> I still have an inkling to build a jet engine out of an old turbo unit. Perhaps I can use that :)
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> it only needs a couple of watts.
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> to move a panel.
[17:13] <neilr> Oh, I know I could just leave it in one place. But where's the fun in that?
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> neilr, check the radio control forums, etc. full of interesting people making jets, etc. ....
[17:14] <buzzsaw> right... but your cost to gain is not all that good
[17:14] <neilr> Oh I know - I have a few EDF planes kicking around too
[17:14] <buzzsaw> quadcopter would be fun :-)
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> someone's got a quad flying via a Pi.
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> directly too.
[17:14] <buzzsaw> I have seen arduino boards doing it
[17:15] <neilr> mmm. Now, thinking about it, my EDF Hunter is big enough to carry a pi
[17:15] <neilr> No idea what I'd do with it though
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> buzzsaw, arducopter, etc. all good stuff. I had a project 18 months ago to do stuff like that.
[17:16] <buzzsaw> but really all you need is something to read accelerometer/gyro, then control the spead of thee motors
[17:16] <buzzsaw> there is a chineese knockoff that I was looking at
[17:16] <buzzsaw> but... will have a change of jobs soon so.
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[17:16] <buzzsaw> need to keep the spending down ;-)
[17:17] <buzzsaw> ah :-) if I get the extra radio I will use to to control a SDR radio :-D
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[17:18] <gordonDrogon> buzzsaw, it's slightly more complicated than that, however... that's the essence.
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> my project had 8 motors.
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> or would have had if the people funding it had stumped up the cash.
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[17:19] <RiXtEr> neilr, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=24115
[17:19] <buzzsaw> yeah I was dumbing it down ;-)
[17:19] <buzzsaw> why 8 over 4?
[17:20] <buzzsaw> just wondering
[17:20] <IT_Sean> because moar
[17:20] <RiXtEr> Moar Pei!
[17:20] <neilr> Oooh, that's cool. I like that.
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> buzzsaw, we needed to be able to cope with failure of any one motor and possibly 2. we were looking at a 6 motor and 8 motor platform. the payload was several Kg.
[17:21] <buzzsaw> ah
[17:22] <IT_Sean> "several"? 3? 10? 15? 20?
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> several 1000? of expensive camera kit, etc.
[17:22] <buzzsaw> hum... that might be fun... Using rPi+ SDR to communicate with 2m or 70cm :-)
[17:22] <buzzsaw> that way you dont have to worry much with the 2.4ghz or other bands being used
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[17:24] <buzzsaw> a hacked together receiver of sorts...
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[17:26] <RiXtEr> random question: so if I had say 3 RPi's could I cluster them together to get 3x's the gpio pins working (potentially control all the lighting in my house with a single interface?)
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[17:27] <gordonDrogon> RiXtEr, yes, but not transparently (yet). it's actually on my to-do list for wiringPi, but if you're writing your own software then you'll need to communicate between the Pis - somehow.
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> RiXtEr, it might be easier to use one Pi with one of the GPIO expansion chips - e.g. mcp23s17, etc.
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[17:39] <RiXtEr> gordonDrogon, how many gpio's does that actually add ?
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[17:40] <Twist-> RiXtEr: sounds like a job for shift registers.
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[17:45] <gordonDrogon> RiXtEr, 16 additional with the mcp23017 or 23s17.
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> using mcp chips both SPI and I2C you can add on an additional 384 GPIO pins - easily.
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[17:46] <gordonDrogon> (for some value of easy ;-)
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> shift registers are good, but can be fiddly and are (mostly) output only.
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> when I release wiringPi v2 it will make light work of them though.
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[17:51] <buzzsaw> so is controlling i/o on the pi difficult?
[17:51] <buzzsaw> I have not actually used one before, or seen other than on the internet
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> depends what you mean
[17:51] <buzzsaw> well for example:
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> raising/lowering certain pins - no
[17:51] <Twist-> gordonDrogon: neat. I didn't know about these.
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[17:52] <SpeedEvil> running external peripherals using weird protocols can get involved
[17:52] <buzzsaw> With controlling a LCD, taking advantages of switches
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> I think controlling IO on the Pi is easy, but I've spent the past year (nearly) doing it...
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> depending on the LCD, impossible
[17:53] <buzzsaw> the same LCD that I might use lets say with an MCU using spi
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> I'm about to emulate the adafruit one with switches (might just buy one though)
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> if it's your standard 2*16 char LCD, or similar, not a problem
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> in my wiringPi world, I've reduced everything I know about to a simple 'pin' type definition.
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> so add in a shift register and you get 8 more pins...
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[17:54] <gordonDrogon> and you just digitalWrite () to any bit in that shift register and the stuff underneath takes care of it for you.
[17:54] <buzzsaw> okay
[17:55] <buzzsaw> similar to whats done with an arduino.
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> basically
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> if you can do it with ardsuino, you can do it with pi
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[17:55] <buzzsaw> thats kind of what I was wondering.
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> mostly.
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> though in some cases, timing is a problem
[17:56] <buzzsaw> ah
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[17:56] <buzzsaw> why is that?
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> with arduino, it's not a problem doing 18000 1ms things in a row
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> the underlying Pi hardware has dynamic RAM and a GPU.
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> with pi, other tasks will gain priority and do stuff
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> the GPU refreshes the RAM and updated the video. This steals time from the ARM.
[17:56] <K4k> Hi, when I boot my pi I get the following message: "PANIC: no init found. Try passing init= option to the kernel" I'm running rasbian wheezy.
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> and that
[17:57] <K4k> it ran fine for several weeks and then stopped responding to ping so I rebooted it
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> I can do 18,000 1mS times without any issue though.
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[17:57] <gordonDrogon> K4k, sounds like you've lost the root filing system - sd card corruption maybe.
[17:57] <buzzsaw> so then there are still times when a simple MCU might be easer ;-)
[17:57] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: without one hitting 3ms?
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[17:57] <K4k> gordonDrogon: I thought so too so I plugged the card into my laptop and I can still read the card just fine. I ran fsck on the card, it found and corrected several errors.
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, you can never be certian with Linux, but for the most part, yes.
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> K4k, see if /sbin/init exists though. tht's what it's looking for.
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, you run a thread in realtime & high priority.
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[17:58] <SpeedEvil> interesting
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> the main issues I have is sub 100?S timings.
[17:59] <K4k> gordonDrogon: yes, the file exists. Should I be able to view it in a text editor or is it a binary?
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> and then I can do it mostly accurately, but it runs the cpu in a busy loop.
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> K4k, it's binary.
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[18:00] <gordonDrogon> buzzsaw, I use arduino for more accurate stepper motor control - for now.
[18:00] <K4k> gordonDrogon: would it be worth trying to specify init=/sbin/init in config.txt?
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[18:01] <gordonDrogon> K4k, maybe, but that's what it looks for anyway. however it could be that it's looking for a library that now doesn't exist.
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> K4k, so /sbin/init needs 3 or 4 librarys and if they're missing, then it's still game-over...
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[18:02] <K4k> Any chance you know what those are so I can look for them? I am only asking because I'm confused that this keeps happening every few weeks. I have a very well known brand, C10 SD card so I would be very surprised if it is bad already seeing as how I haven't had it all that long.
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> K4k, http://unicorn.drogon.net/init.txt
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> K4k, however there are many sources of SD corruption - e.g. overclocking, poor power supply...
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> thos are the ones that have 'hit' me in the past. half decent PSU and no overclocking and I've not had an issue for 6 months or more now.
[18:06] <K4k> gordonDrogon: I had it overclocked when I was running Arch, and that did cause some issues so when I re-built with rasbian I left it at stock speeds.
[18:06] <K4k> The PSU I'm using seems to be well within the recommended specs and is not a cheapo brand from ebay or something.
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> K4k, no idea what to suggest then - make sure it's updated, etc. seatch the forums, etc. for your SD card, etc...
[18:06] <K4k> yup
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[18:09] <buzzsaw> for the psu is it dirty electricty that causes it?
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[18:10] <gordonDrogon> it's usually a sub-standard psu - made to charge batteries and that's about it ):
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[18:10] <gordonDrogon> there was a good review/rant on the eeeblog about one a while back.
[18:10] <buzzsaw> has there been much attempt to add a touchscreen to the rpi?
[18:10] <whyrusleeping> Is there a way to set up a pi to mirror the screen of a windows machine over a network?
[18:10] <K4k> gordonDrogon: is there a certain brand or type that is known to work better. The PSU I have is the one from my nexus7, it's possible that it doesn't supply very clean power
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[18:11] <buzzsaw> whyrusleeping: what do you mean?
[18:11] <buzzsaw> if by, can you see a remote screen then yes :-) just use VNC
[18:11] <whyrusleeping> buzzsaw: even on a windows machine?
[18:12] <buzzsaw> yes
[18:12] <K4k> whyrusleeping: the only application that does anything like that that I can think of is called synergy, but that doesn't share screens, just keyboard and mouse.
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> K4k, I don't know - I've been lucky - my HTC one works OK, my Jawbone one works OK - if I don't OC, my laptops & PC works fine too.
[18:12] <buzzsaw> you just need to instll a vnc on your windows box and a viewer on your pi
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> buzzsaw, I have a touchscreen connected to a Pi.
[18:13] <buzzsaw> gordonDrogon: is it a hacked product or something one could order ;-)
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> buzzsaw, experimental. very small too. mobile phone size.
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> buzzsaw, not a product yet.
[18:13] <buzzsaw> okay :-)
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> buzzsaw, are you looking for a framebuffer type touchscreen?
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> or just something you could dedicate to a project?
[18:13] <buzzsaw> just simple interaction with the screen
[18:14] <buzzsaw> press button etc
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/4d-systems-intelligent-displays-and-the-raspberry-pi/
[18:14] <buzzsaw> toggle on off
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> that's a product.
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[18:16] <buzzsaw> the idea is to load a bunch of crap in the background preconfigured. Turn some things on/off and see visual updates from the apps running
[18:16] <buzzsaw> so not a desktop but more of a control pad.
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[18:17] <buzzsaw> that doe slook interesting gordonDrogon
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[18:21] <gordonDrogon> you need to program them from an app. that runs under Windows though, but once programmed it's a simple high-level set of functions to access it.
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/4d-systems-display-on-arduino/ <- runs on arduino too ;-)
[18:24] <buzzsaw> okay so it needs to be programmed on windows and can send data back and forth
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[18:25] <buzzsaw> haha when I steal my wifes laptop I am going to tell her you said to do it ;-)
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> :)
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> I was lucky I had an old laptop with Win XP on it to genrate the displays!
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> right, I have to pop out for an hour or 2. back later!
[18:25] <buzzsaw> how much does that display run?
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[18:31] <buzzsaw> gordonDrogon: thanks, I will look into that more. It sounds like a good option :-)
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[18:38] <pierut> has anyone had gpm functioning properly on archlinux?
[18:39] <pierut> mine acts like the left button is pressed constantly and sometimes acts like it is right clicking.. even though im not pressing any buttons
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[18:48] <pierut> hm.. nvm.. it was using the wrong mouse type :>
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[18:54] <K4k> gordonDrogon: I've just re-imaged my SD card and I'm still getting the init error
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[19:01] <cheese1756> #python
[19:01] <cheese1756> Whoops
[19:01] <chod> :D
[19:01] <IT_Sean> you need a /join before that, cheese.
[19:02] <cheese1756> IT_Sean, I had accidentally left it out when re-joining channels that required registration
[19:02] <IT_Sean> s'all good.
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[19:07] <K4k> gordonDrogon: false alarm, forgot to add "&& sync" to the end of the dd command and pulled the card before it was actually finished :)
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[19:07] <IT_Sean> tsk tsk tsk
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[19:07] <K4k> silly write caching
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[19:23] <Hodapp> http://sourceforge.net/projects/usbip/forums/forum/418507/topic/4581128/index/page/3 . . . that does not inspire me, around reply #6 or so
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[19:28] <converge> I need to set up a basic firewall on my business, is it a good idea use something like a raspberry pi firewall to control 20 computers ?
[19:29] <IT_Sean> you do know that the raspi only has one network interface, right?
[19:29] <buzzsaw> It might make a nice IDS :-) but firewall/IPS nah...
[19:29] <converge> no.. never had one
[19:29] <DeliriumTremens> IT_Sean: i've seen people use it as a router with a usb --> ethernet
[19:30] <IT_Sean> You could do that, but the performance is less than ideal for a production environment.
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[19:30] <buzzsaw> converge: why not get a proper firewall?
[19:31] <converge> buzzsaw: trying to find new/cheap ways to do basic stuffs..
[19:31] <buzzsaw> if cost is an issue. Check out ubiquiti's edgemax
[19:31] <buzzsaw> http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax
[19:32] <buzzsaw> and if cost is a REAL BIG issue... Go to the local thrift shops and find some old wrt54g wifi routers and load openwrt on them :-)
[19:33] <buzzsaw> converge: check this out http://www.microcom.us/erlite3.html $100 and its quite configurable.
[19:33] <converge> nice, I'll check it all
[19:33] <buzzsaw> your just asking for a dos attack on a rpi :-)
[19:34] <converge> I need it with low coast but I still need high performance because im runing an ERP inside this network
[19:34] <buzzsaw> ubiquiti has some very nice equiptment expecially for the price :-)
[19:34] <converge> *cost
[19:34] <IT_Sean> converge: the raspi is not going to be "high performance" as a firewall for 20 computers.
[19:35] <converge> good to know
[19:35] <buzzsaw> your going to need some switches to plug in that many computers but those are cheap...
[19:35] <fr0g911> heya IT_Sean hows it going
[19:35] <IT_Sean> o/ fr0g911.
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[19:35] <converge> buzzsaw: yes, i'll spend a good money with a 24 ports switch
[19:36] <buzzsaw> ?
[19:36] <buzzsaw> it depends on if you need managed or not I guess
[19:36] <fr0g911> thrift stores are very good for switchs
[19:36] <fr0g911> atleast the ones i goto
[19:36] <buzzsaw> and for project hacking in general :-D
[19:36] <IT_Sean> At $oldjob, we used to get used cisco switches on fleebay
[19:36] <converge> buzzsaw: I need a static one, my router will do the job
[19:37] <buzzsaw> yeah that little router has a few different operating modes
[19:37] <buzzsaw> if you want... you can run it like a linux box :-)
[19:37] <buzzsaw> but it does have some network analytics built into it
[19:38] <converge> has openwrt a built in firewall ?
[19:38] <buzzsaw> iptables
[19:38] <converge> can I set iptables rules using openwrt ?
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[19:38] <buzzsaw> yes
[19:38] <converge> wow..
[19:39] <buzzsaw> try #openwrt ;-)
[19:39] <buzzsaw> but there is lots of infor for it...
[19:39] <buzzsaw> the edgemax is debian + some ubiquiti magic
[19:39] <converge> sorry for dummy question, Im outdated with all this stuffs
[19:39] <buzzsaw> and for $100... Not bad :-)
[19:40] <converge> cool, love debian
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[19:41] <fr0g911> hmm i just thought of something im doing a house that already has a cat5se running upto the attic and i need another wire going up there i can just splice it into two using the spear 4 wires for another line right
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[19:41] <buzzsaw> doh...
[19:41] <fr0g911> ray...
[19:41] <fr0g911> me...
[19:42] <RiXtEr> fa...
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[19:43] <buzzsaw> using mussle memory my ctrl+z on work laptop is same spacing for ctrl+a on home laptop
[19:43] <buzzsaw> killed my irssi :-s
[19:45] <IT_Sean> hahah
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[19:45] <buzzsaw> yeah I have done that once or twise :-)
[19:46] <buzzsaw> I use irc from so many different locations I find it easiest to just leave screen+irssi running on my virtual host...
[19:46] <DeliriumTremens> <3 screen + irssi
[19:46] <RiXtEr> fr0g911, yes 10/100mb ethernet only runs across pins 1,2,3, and 6 (orange and green pairs if its wired to tia 568 A or B standards)
[19:47] <buzzsaw> I just dont remember all the channels I was in before I killed it :-)
[19:47] <DeliriumTremens> always save your configs
[19:47] <RiXtEr> buzzsaw, I just use znc, then one nick can chat from several locations
[19:47] * DeliriumTremens shakes head at buzzsaw
[19:47] <buzzsaw> lol I am new to irssi and well yeah
[19:48] <DeliriumTremens> i need to update my configs
[19:48] <buzzsaw> DeliriumTremens: part of it is, I spend time in different channels
[19:48] <buzzsaw> join/leave/idle
[19:48] <DeliriumTremens> i have like 15 channels open and i think only 9 are in my config
[19:48] <DeliriumTremens> 15 channels across 3 networks
[19:48] <buzzsaw> I try to keep it to 10 or less :-)
[19:48] <DeliriumTremens> pff
[19:48] <buzzsaw> only have numbers 1234567890 for easy switch to other screens :-)
[19:49] <DeliriumTremens> wrong
[19:49] <DeliriumTremens> after 0 you go down a line
[19:49] <DeliriumTremens> 11 - q, 12 - w, 13 - e
[19:49] <buzzsaw> :_D
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[19:49] <DeliriumTremens> and so on
[19:49] <DeliriumTremens> all the way down the keyboard
[19:49] <buzzsaw> I will try to keep that in mind :-D
[19:50] <buzzsaw> I also need to fix my timestamping on my logs...
[19:50] <DeliriumTremens> i dont log, if it aint in my scrollback, i don't see it
[19:50] * buzzsaw likes to grep logs :-)
[19:50] <DeliriumTremens> that's dirty.
[19:51] <buzzsaw> if you idle in a chan for a month or so.... odd are you dont have to ask a question ;-)
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[19:51] <buzzsaw> also if you get someone you like I think i Know him. Oh that that guy that was an ass... I know the answer but am not going to share ;-)
[19:52] <buzzsaw> IT_Sean: thanks :-)
[19:53] * IT_Sean nods
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[19:55] <kaste> Does anyone here use u-boot as a boot loader?
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[19:56] <kaste> Specifially if someone does, i'd be greatly interested in pxe and usbtty, as well as configs for building it. I achieved the former to some degree although I have some unclarities but the latter is hard
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[19:56] <buzzsaw> DeliriumTremens: also kind of fun... tail -f #blah.log ;-)
[19:57] <buzzsaw> I can set it to grep out my name so that I dont get distracted while trying to *work*
[19:57] <DeliriumTremens> i dont know that word
[19:57] <DeliriumTremens> "work"
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[20:11] <A124> gordonDrogon: Hey. Anyway. I realized, if you state that "this is a friendly channel", why don't you friendly tell me that I should not say that here. But intead "giving me a warning" using advanced English, that can be not understood by all and als threathening me in a a way. To quote you: (14:27:13) gordonDrogon: A124, this is a family friendly channel and that gets you a warning.
[20:11] <A124> Just to say. You were speaking against your own wordl.
[20:11] <IT_Sean> We never said we were friendly. We said we were family friendly.
[20:11] <dreamreal> haha
[20:12] <dreamreal> still on that. There're lots of channels with people who're easily offended like that. I don't understand it, myself.
[20:12] <A124> IT_Sean: Does not change a thing if it represented like that.
[20:13] <A124> dreamreal: If you are talking about me, you are oftc.
[20:13] <dreamreal> A124: good to know I have company
[20:13] <dansan> what's "oftc"?
[20:13] <A124> Of the topic
[20:13] <dansan> ahhh, we just say OT in other places
[20:13] <IT_Sean> off topic is fine in #raspberrypi.
[20:14] <IT_Sean> 8-% of what goes on in here is, to some degree, off topic, at times.
[20:14] <dansan> ah, cool! :)
[20:14] * buzzsaw finds it difficult to stay on topic
[20:14] <A124> Also I'm not discussing it. off the topic, not off the chanell
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[20:14] * A124 Goes better away
[20:14] <buzzsaw> so many thing interconnect that topics become borring
[20:15] <dansan> So if a raspberry falls in a forest, and nothing his hooked up to the GPIO to tell it that it fell, will it still short out on the damp peat of the forest floor?
[20:15] <dreamreal> dansan: only if there's an observer who thinks it might not happen.
[20:15] <dansan> lmao!!! nice! =)
[20:15] <Dakota> Lol
[20:15] * dansan tries to click like, but can't find the button
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[20:16] <dreamreal> [+1]
[20:16] <dansan> lol!
[20:16] <IT_Sean> dansan: no, but it will still void the warranty.
[20:16] <dansan> ok, so does anybody here play with optical mouse ICs? I need some cheap optical mouse ICs (with their lenses & such) and not sure where to get them
[20:17] <buzzsaw> dansan: is that like Dr Who and the angels?
[20:17] <dansan> hah! good one !
[20:17] <dreamreal> incidentally, apropos of nothing but still marvelously on topic, I think I have the RX/TX generating valid MIDI data now
[20:17] <buzzsaw> they no longer exsist when your looking at them?
[20:17] <IT_Sean> dansan: the best consumer source for mouse optics is probably from older optical mice.
[20:17] <dansan> buzzsaw: I'm scared of admiting it, but I don't know DrWho very well :( I have to ask my fiancee what that means when she gets home :)
[20:18] <dansan> IT_Sean: ok, ty
[20:18] <dreamreal> dansan: just nod wisely and say "yes, well, the tardis... hold on while I get my universal screwdriver."
[20:18] <dansan> IT_Sean: hmm, now I need to figure out where to collect those. Maybe some recycling place? hmmm
[20:18] <dansan> lol!!!
[20:18] <buzzsaw> we just started watching them because netflix has it for free...
[20:19] <dansan> fun
[20:19] <buzzsaw> some of it is fun but others are just background noise...
[20:19] <dreamreal> I liked the Tom Baker ones
[20:19] <buzzsaw> dreamreal: sonic not universal...
[20:19] <dansan> I don't have netflix setup because I don't have a good windows computer to do it with and their stuff doesn't run on Wine
[20:19] <dreamreal> but after him, well....
[20:19] <dreamreal> buzzsaw: stop harshing my mellow, man
[20:19] <dansan> lol!
[20:19] <buzzsaw> oh my blueray player does netflix :-)
[20:19] <buzzsaw> wii too but thats broken...
[20:20] <dansan> oh yeah, and we have a PS3 now, we can do it from there I suppose
[20:20] <dreamreal> and the pi, someone should get netflx working on the pi
[20:20] <dansan> That would mean getting it to work on GNU/Linux
[20:20] <dansan> Which means wine
[20:20] <dreamreal> I don't know anything about netflix, personally
[20:20] <dreamreal> but what prevents its use on linux?
[20:20] <dansan> DRM
[20:20] <dreamreal> (I refuse to call it GNU/Linux)
[20:21] <dansan> I guess
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[20:21] <buzzsaw> easy. My dad pays the bill we watch on the other side of town :-)
[20:21] <dansan> GNU/GNU/Linux I meant to say
[20:21] <dreamreal> pfffft
[20:21] <dreamreal> worse
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[20:21] <buzzsaw> well not everything is GNU/Linux
[20:21] <dansan> GNU/GNU/GNU/GNU/Linux?
[20:21] <dansan> Android isn't GNU/Linux
[20:21] <dreamreal> http://www.enigmastation.com/articles/why-i-cant-stand-the-fsf/
[20:22] <buzzsaw> debian is not gnu linux :-) its debian linux
[20:22] <dansan> Yes, it is
[20:22] <dreamreal> no, it isn't
[20:22] <dansan> The userspace is primarily what? OH! GNU!
[20:22] <buzzsaw> dansan: language changes :-)
[20:22] <dreamreal> there's no such thing as "gnu/linux" except in RMS' mind
[20:22] <buzzsaw> linux is a kernal and also an operating system
[20:22] <Dakota> Debian is not GNU
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[20:22] <dansan> No it isn't. Linux is a kernel.
[20:23] <dansan> Debian is not GNU, but ... afk
[20:23] <buzzsaw> AND an operating system :-)
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[20:27] <dansan> yes! Chinese food! yum! :)
[20:27] <IT_Sean>
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[20:28] <dansan> Ok, so Debian is not a GNU project, but it is comprised of a vast number of fruits of the GNU project, so it's a little silly to say that it isn't a GNU/Linux-based operating system
[20:28] <dreamreal> yet calling it "gnu/linux" is giving gnu credit where it doesn't deserve to DEMAND credit
[20:29] <dreamreal> plus: RMS is a jackwagon
[20:29] <dansan> Sure it does, it wrote over half of it
[20:29] <dansan> No, it wront 2303482% of it all!
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[20:29] * dreamreal used a BSD version of linux :)
[20:29] <dansan> Ahh, that's different
[20:30] <dreamreal> (note past tense)
[20:30] <dansan> BSD/Linux != GNU/Linux
[20:30] <dreamreal> and anyone saying "bsd/linux" would be laughed at, and properly so, just like "gnu/linux" deserves derision
[20:30] <dansan> That said, GNU does have a strange way of doing their projects. I've worked on coreutils and it's a little odd
[20:30] <dansan> I'm attempting to denote the userspace & kernel
[20:32] <dansan> even the Linux kernel USES the GPL license, written by the FSF. Most software on a typical "Linux" distro is GPL
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[20:34] * dreamreal has no pity for gnu
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[20:34] <dansan> What!? OMG! GNU seeks no pitty!
[20:34] <dansan> HAH!
[20:34] <dreamreal> It can have all the pitty it wants. No pity, though.
[20:35] * dreamreal gets pithy.
[20:35] <dansan> I see.... ooookay...
[20:35] * dreamreal grins
[20:35] <dansan> Gee, I wonder which compiler Debian uses. Oh yeah! It's the GNU Gcc!!!
[20:36] <dreamreal> only if you choose gcc. (Incidentally, i work for Red Hat. Debian... *sigh*)
[20:36] <dansan> OH! Although I will give a rare kudos to apple for writing and opening up LLVM and clang
[20:37] <dansan> You work at Redhat?
[20:37] <dreamreal> yeah
[20:37] <dansan> fun! :)
[20:37] <dreamreal> yeah, it is
[20:37] <dansan> I've considered applying as a kernel programmer, but I want to learn the internals better (and get my big patch set through first)
[20:38] <dansan> I dunno if you follow LKML or anything, but I'm the guy with the very complicated "generic red-black tree" implementation
[20:38] <dreamreal> I don't; I'm not a kernel developer by any stretch of the imagination. My contributions to the kernel were of the "damn it SHUT THAT FSCKING BELL OFF" on my own source bases
[20:39] <dansan> But I'm new to working on something as large as the kernel, so they want to see it implemented in a very gradual set of patches, where the complexity is justified
[20:39] <dansan> HAHAH!!!!
[20:39] <dansan> Oh, that's good! :)
[20:39] <dreamreal> well, it was really simple - now it's actually part of the kernel (not my code, the functionality)
[20:39] <dansan> yeah, I know :)
[20:39] <dreamreal> but every kernel update I'd dig up the console code and disable the bell
[20:40] <dansan> you mean the terminal bell? character 0x0a?
[20:40] <dreamreal> ph34r mah codin skillz
[20:40] <dreamreal> 0x07, I think, not 0x0a
[20:40] <dansan> oh yeah
[20:40] <dansan> I dunno my codes I guess :)
[20:40] * dreamreal sneers
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[20:40] <dansan> wait, I thought 0x07 was tab? (gotta look it up now)
[20:40] <dreamreal> so how do you build a "complicated red-black"?
[20:40] <dansan> oh nice! get snobby with me now! P):
[20:40] <dreamreal> tab was \t, \g is the bell
[20:41] <dansan> I need coffee
[20:41] <dreamreal> so what's this about a complicated red-black algorithm? What's it for, what makes it complicated?
[20:42] <dansan> But for the red-black tree, it's not about making it more complicated, it's about making it type-generic and without incurring a run-time overhead. I actually appear to have discovered a new technique in C programming, but it wasn't even possible until gcc, ehem, that is the GNU C Compiler? You know, that our Lord Richard Stalman started? Anyway, until they implemented this -findirect-inline optimization
[20:43] <dansan> Oh! even better, I could have said "Our Lord and Savior, Richard Stalman.. for thout name art holy and stuff"
[20:43] <dreamreal> blah blah blah. So the only thing necessary would be that the nodes be comparable somehow.
[20:43] <dansan> Basically, I applied C++ metapgramming principles to C in a way that many conventional C programmers hate (they call it dead-code tricks).
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> evening.
[20:44] <dansan> gordonDrogon: hello!
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[20:44] <dreamreal> hey gordonDrogon - I think I got the baud rate thing working
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, excellent!
[20:45] <dansan> dreamreal: yeah, accessing the keys from a user-defined struct and comparing them. As well as other stuff like "does your tree allow duplicate keys?" and "Should your insert replace if it encounters an existing key or fail?" and also, "do you think that GNU should be an icecream flavor"
[20:45] <dreamreal> I haven't gotten an end-to-end working yet, but that's coming, I think
[20:45] <MrKeuner> hello, would like to install XBMC on my rasbian. Following this doc: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC I do not seem to have rpi-update, what is the proper way to get it?
[20:46] <dansan> hmm, for some reason, I don't think "GNU" would be a very good icecream flavor
[20:46] <jelly1> don't use rpi-update
[20:46] <jelly1> o?
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[20:46] <gyeben> why shouldn't he use rpi-update?
[20:46] <jelly1> hmm that guide
[20:46] <MrKeuner> what's wrong with rpi-update?
[20:47] <jelly1> time for a `whereis rpi-update`
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> apt-get install rpi-update
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> I haven't used it myself for some time though.
[20:48] <jelly1> if raspbian has it :P
[20:48] <MrKeuner> gordonDrogon, that doesn't work
[20:48] * jelly1 uses openelec <3
[20:48] <dansan> dreamreal: My implementation depends upon these parameters for the rbtree to be compile-time constants, so that gcc can "compile them out", resulting in generated code that is exactly as if you hand-coded it for a particular set of types. That's the part that's complicated, and even runs slower on older compilers
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> Ah, Mr. chod .... you there?
[20:49] * chod nods
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[20:49] <chod> is my board fscked?
[20:49] <dreamreal> dansan: nice
[20:49] <dreamreal> dansan: I do a lot of java where that's not necessary
[20:49] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: incidentally, java on the rpi with hard fp is actually pretty workable
[20:50] <dreamreal> I wouldn't use it for gui at all, but still
[20:50] <gyeben> MrKeuner: you should follow the instructions at https://github.com/hexxeh/rpi-update to install the latest rpi-update
[20:50] <dansan> dreamreal: yeah, because java has generics support
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[20:50] <dreamreal> dansan: :)
[20:51] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: I used the pi as a test for a cluster node: gigaspaces running peer nodes on an amd quad-core and the rpi, farming tasks to available listeners
[20:51] <dansan> dreamreal: but in practice, everything is treated like a java.lang.Object and if you alter your bytecode, you can insert any type of Object into your type-specific container :)
[20:51] <dreamreal> theoretically you could scale horizontally, as many pis as you cared to add
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> chod, your board may be ok
[20:51] <chod> oh
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, I've no idea what that is (sorry)
[20:51] <dreamreal> dansan: although most coders wouldn't know how to do that really effectively... or they'd know how to screw it up royally
[20:51] <QazzaQY2K> hey guys.. I'm playing with a pre installed wordpress image.. when I try to access it through my WAN ip it looks for the old LAN ip as used when it was installed.. now I'm wondering how can I change the configured ip?
[20:51] <chod> sorry to point at your code
[20:51] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: basically distributed computing
[20:51] <dansan> dreamreal: but when it comes down to it, it's the JIT that makes it perform so well
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> chod, I have a patch to wiringPi v2 if you'd like to test it..
[20:52] <chod> i can test
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, ok. I left that world some time back...
[20:52] <dansan> dreamreal: thankfully, you can't do it from java code, you have to binary-edit the bytecode :)
[20:52] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: well, that world's partially what drove me to the pi in the first place: cheap nodes
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[20:53] <chod> dreamreal: how powerful is a pi compared to some dual core intel wotsit
[20:53] <dreamreal> chod: very "under"
[20:53] <chod> but i suppose its cost
[20:53] <dreamreal> yep
[20:53] <dreamreal> cost effectiveness is *really* high
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> chod, if you fetch http://unicorn.drogon.net/wiringPi-2.1.tgz and unpack/install it, then run that program ..
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[20:53] <chod> no good at bitcoins
[20:53] <chod> ;-P
[20:53] <chod> gordonDrogon: k
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, I've worked for 2 supercomputer companies in the past... fascinaiting stuff at the time.
[20:54] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: which ones?
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, Meiko and ClearSpeed.
[20:54] <QazzaQY2K> anyone good with wordpress?
[20:55] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: nice - I've done work with datasynapse, gridgain, terracotta, gigaspaces, and a few others (RHT now, obviously)
[20:55] <dreamreal> although they're all "soft" distribution and not hardware (I've also done some work with azul, which was FASCINATING)
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, never heard of them I'm afraid.
[20:56] <dreamreal> *nod* no worries
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, Meiko built systems out of Transputers, i860's and Sparcs. ClearSpeed developed a co-processor.
[20:56] <dreamreal> heh
[20:56] <dreamreal> the sparc was a great processor, honestly
[20:56] <dreamreal> not a great clock speed but still
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[20:57] <dansan> hah! I've wasted my career in the blasted telecom industry, whithering aneath incompetent managers :(
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[20:57] <gordonDrogon> I helped build what was at the time the fastest supercomputer in the word...
[20:58] <dansan> nice
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> 20 years ago.
[20:58] <dansan> probably hard to hold that title for long though huh?
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> no!
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> it was the start of the "cluster" ...
[20:58] <dansan> oh!!
[20:58] <dansan> Just shutup gordonDrogon! This is making me feel depressed about my career! lol
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/a-box-of-200-raspberry-pis/ <- has a picture of it.
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[21:01] <gordonDrogon> dansan, don't feel too bad - my own telephony business didn't work out too well!
[21:02] * buzzsaw shunds dreamreal for red hat
[21:02] <dansan> Well, I did make a lot of money and learned a lot of things -- sometimes
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[21:03] <buzzsaw> gordonDrogon: which screen did you use in your demo?
[21:03] <dansan> I wrote a lot of awesome code that somebody may one day discover, if they ever accidentally hire another competent person who sees it
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[21:04] <QazzaQY2K> Hey anyone got a sec? I'm trying to figure out something..
[21:05] <dansan> gordonDrogon: See, this is funny because I was trying to convince AT&T to use clusters like this as opposed to multi-million $$ HP midrange machines. They're slow ya know
[21:05] <dansan> (AT&T that is)
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[21:06] <ParkerR> QazzaQY2K, Just ask
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[21:06] <dansan> I wanted to replace their massive billing platform with a cluster of a few hundred cheap, x86 machines (or cluster racks like this)
[21:06] <QazzaQY2K> When you install wordpress the last configure part, it some how stores what your local LAN IP is. I've changed my LAN IP, but it still asked for the old one. Now where would I find this configured IP and change it.
[21:06] <QazzaQY2K> ParkerR: ty, I did a few rows up. No one saw it or something.
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[21:16] <K4k> Hey, I rebooted my pi (just installed rasbian a minute ago) and I get a green light and red light and then the green light goes out and nothing happens
[21:17] <chod> image not written ?
[21:17] <chod> to SD
[21:17] <K4k> The reboot appeared to be stuck, I waited a few minutes and pulled the power and plugged it back in
[21:17] <chod> ahhhh
[21:18] <K4k> I assume, and hope I'm wrong, that the card went corrupt as a result
[21:18] <K4k> but I can mount it on another machine ok
[21:18] <chod> did u see what it was stuck on?
[21:18] <IT_Sean> did you tre-try it in the Pi?
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[21:18] <K4k> it was a black screen, the machine powered down and didn't come back up
[21:18] <chod> it may need re writing
[21:18] <IT_Sean> Indeed... it may need re-imaging.
[21:18] <K4k> well, what confused me was that all things appeared to indicate full power down
[21:19] <K4k> screen was out, lights were not active
[21:19] <IT_Sean> o_O
[21:19] <chod> got a spare card you can try?
[21:19] <K4k> no
[21:19] <K4k> not readily available anyway
[21:20] * K4k is really frustrated. an hour of nginx/owncloud config down the drain
[21:20] <chod> i got own cloud working
[21:20] <chod> nginx? wassat
[21:20] <K4k> I do to, on everything but my rpi because this is the third time I've lost it due to corruption
[21:21] <K4k> nginx = webserver alternative
[21:21] <chod> power supply ok?
[21:21] * chod nods
[21:21] <K4k> I see no reason to assume otherwise but I don't have another to test with atm
[21:21] <chod> have you much plugged into usb?
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[21:22] <K4k> it's a power brick from the wall
[21:22] <K4k> as for the rpi usb, just a keyboard
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[21:23] <K4k> fsck shows no errors on the card
[21:23] <K4k> what has to be written to the card during shutdown in order for it to come back up properly?
[21:23] <K4k> or is it just a matter of being unmounted cleanly?
[21:24] <chod> i just pull the power sometimes and 'usually' its fine here.
[21:24] <chod> i mean to shutdown properly
[21:24] <K4k> hmmm
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[21:26] <QazzaQY2K> chod: sudo shutdown -h now
[21:27] <K4k> ok, one last shot. If this fails, I'm tossing this thing...
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[21:29] <chod> QazzaQY2K: yes i do mean to often
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[21:32] <buzzsaw> K4k: before doing any more you should figure out what the crap is screwing up things ;-)
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[21:34] <buzzsaw> K4k: also, if your tossing it in the US I could toss you a shipping label ;-)
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[21:41] <gordonDrogon> sudo halt is easier to type to quickly/cleanly shutdown...
[21:42] <buzzsaw> live on the edge run root :-)
[21:42] <buzzsaw> throw sudo out the window :-D
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[21:43] * chod looks at Kernighan & Ritchie for ideas
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> well... until the Pi, I rarely if,ever used sudo...
[21:43] <K4k> ugh
[21:43] <K4k> just re-imaged, and it still won't boot
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> personally I think sudo is bad as it lets you run root stuff without the need to su with password first, but maybe that's just me.
[21:43] <K4k> wonder if this card really is bum
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[21:44] <K4k> gordonDrogon: only because of the way rasbian has it default configured ;)
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> K4k, do you have any others?
[21:44] <mgottschlag> hm, if the rootfs is mounted read-only, then pulling the power cord shouldn't have any effent on the integrity of the system, right?
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[21:44] <K4k> not on hand, I have one back at home but I'm at the office where I have my only hdmi display...
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[21:44] <mgottschlag> is there any way to make the file system 100% resistant to power outages even when mounting a filesystem (somewhere, maybe on external storage?) as read-write?
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> I've created some good crashes recently too. can get it into a reboot loop where it never reboots if you short the 3.3v by just enough...
[21:45] <Mement> Hello all
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[21:45] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, there is a flash based file system that's supposed to be good for that, but I can't for the life of me remember its name right now.
[21:45] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon O_o
[21:45] <K4k> mgottschlag: if all filesystems are ro, I don't see what could go wrong
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[21:46] <A124> mgottschlag: gordonDrogon: jffs?
[21:46] <IT_Sean> how many Pis have you killed, gordonDrogon ?
[21:46] <K4k> jffs and ubifs
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, remarkably, none so-far.
[21:46] <IT_Sean> not even that one? the 3.3v short boot loop one?
[21:46] <mgottschlag> I am asking because I want to use a pi in an embedded context where the user isn't supposed to care about a clean shutdown :)
[21:47] <mgottschlag> I'll have a look at the flash based file systems
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> don't seem to have blown up an mcp23017 either despite me making them get very hot..
[21:47] <buzzsaw> well... sudo does have some advantages :-)
[21:47] <buzzsaw> it makes you *think*
[21:47] * IT_Sean keeps his raspi away from gordonDrogon
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, I built a series of routers and PBXs that booted into RAM and ran from there... they were pretty good at having the plug pulled.
[21:47] <buzzsaw> and you can give sudo for some thing to some users and not other things for other users
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, I can give you 2 gpio commands that'll reboot a Pi - most of the time..
[21:48] <K4k> mgottschlag: I looked into both before and I seem to remember it was going to be impossible to put / on jffs and ubifs, can't remember the reason I came to that conclusion though
[21:48] <mgottschlag> sure, it works great until I want reliable data logging :)
[21:48] <aaa801> grrrrrrrr
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[21:48] <mgottschlag> I don't care about /
[21:48] <aaa801> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[21:48] <K4k> I want to say it was a lack of kernel support or something... but that doesn't sound right
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, that was the issue for me - voicemail storage and "settings".
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[21:48] <A124> K4k: ubifs, interesting. Thanks. Not sure if suitable for Pi, but worth to mention
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, I took the stand that voicemail was expendable and forces an fsck on the partition every boot and parameters were stored directly in a disk block
[21:49] <Mement> I basically have the most basic question, since I am rather new to using such hardware as a Raspberry Pi;
[21:49] <Mement> Can I plug the Pi in my desktop with the USB cable and play around with the system in a Virtual Machine?
[21:49] <K4k> udf would be interesting as well. I've been using it on flash drives as an alternative to FAT32, but never on a bootable system
[21:49] <IT_Sean> Mement: no.
[21:50] <aaa801> sega cart connector too fiddely to get into stripboard D:
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[21:50] <K4k> Mement: you can't do exactly what you're talking about, however, I believe you can run rasbian (the raspberry pi flavor of debian) in an application called qemu
[21:50] <steve_rox> you not mutilateing sega carts are you ? :-P
[21:51] <IT_Sean> K4k: is correct, Mement. You cannot interface between your Pi and your PC in the way you are thinking, but you can set up an entirely separate VM.
[21:51] <Mement> IT_Sean - K4k : My 'project' is to create an small ftp/host with the Raspberry.
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[21:51] <IT_Sean> you can do that on a raspi.
[21:52] <IT_Sean> The RaspberryPi is just a small, low power computer.
[21:52] <Mement> So basically want to set up a SSH connection and continue with my desktop setting up the RaspBerry Pi.
[21:52] <IT_Sean> you can SSH into the Pi once it is booted, yes.
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[21:52] <buzzsaw> IT_Sean: some one asked before, does sshd start on first boot?
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[21:52] <nid0> yes
[21:52] <A124> Mement: Yep, boot it, enable it, done. I'm just writing from Pi from my Win 7 desktop
[21:53] <K4k> Mement: yea, you can ssh in but that has nothing to do with the usb cable, you would do that via the network using an application like putty on the windows machine to ssh in to it
[21:53] <A124> buzzsaw: Dooes not
[21:53] <buzzsaw> ah wait :-) wong chan that was for kali :-)
[21:53] <Mement> Ok, but it is recommended to first enable incoming connections on the Pi itself, rather than do it through connecting with USB and set up with Virtual Machine.
[21:53] <nid0> A124: yes, it does
[21:53] <A124> What?
[21:53] <IT_Sean> Mement: you CAN NOT interface with the Pi via USB from your PC.
[21:53] <nid0> sshd has started by default on raspbian since forever
[21:53] <A124> It did not for me
[21:53] <IT_Sean> you will have to connect over the network.
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[21:54] <Mement> My bad, totally read over the first comment. Thanks IT_Sean
[21:54] <K4k> nid0: with rasbian you have to enable it in the install screen.
[21:54] <nid0> no you dont
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> sshd nornally starts with Raspbian.
[21:54] <A124> nid0: Interesting, I'll take a look into it next install.
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[21:54] <K4k> oh, :( I thought it was the other way around
[21:54] <IT_Sean> You are welcome Mement.
[21:54] <IT_Sean> And on that, i'm off
[21:54] <IT_Sean> Might be back later
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[21:55] <A124> K4k: Maybe first boot is with, than without. But the conf defaults to 'off' I guess. Which is the confusion maybe
[21:55] <A124> (conf utility)
[21:55] <K4k> I'm just basing my (probably ignorant) assumption on the wording of the question at the end of the install menu.
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[21:58] <A124> The irony: site: http://fixunix.com , response: Database error
[21:58] <A124> The database has encountered a problem.
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[21:58] <K4k> that almost looks like an IIS or IE 404 page...
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[21:59] <chod> gordonDrogon: obviously your terminal window commadns work fine, is there docs for the extended syntax or latrer?
[21:59] <chod> doh, later.
[22:00] <buzzsaw> glad I am not the only one that talks to doh...
[22:00] <chod> :D
[22:01] <A124> K4k: ServerApache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu)
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[22:06] <gordonDrogon> chod, sorry - what extended syntax? not sure what you mean here..
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[22:07] <chod> gordonDrogon: with gpio -x
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[22:08] <chod> gordonDrogon: with gpio -x commands from a terminal/script
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> chod, oh I see. I can't think of an easier way right now - open to suggestions...
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> but the syntax will be documented - soon!
[22:09] <chod> its fairly straight forward
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[22:09] <chod> atm to be honest
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> I seem to have had a lot going on in the past few weeks, really was hoping to get it all online by now )-:
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[22:10] <chod> with gpio -c mcp23s17:100:0:0 mode 100 out
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> yes. the first number will always by the pin base.
[22:10] <chod> :D no worries, whats there is excellent
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> the others will depend on the actual module.
[22:10] <chod> so with my two chip set up
[22:10] <chod> the 2nd line
[22:11] <chod> with gpio -c mcp23s17:116:0:1 mode 116 out ?
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> e.g. the mcp23017 (i2c) one is just mcp23017:base:i2cAd ..
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> yes, that works.
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> for your 2nd chip.
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> back in 5 mins..
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[22:24] <gordonDrogon> writing some documentation now!
[22:25] <chod> is there a way to show what setup have been set with gpio -x
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[22:26] <gordonDrogon> no - it's pretty much stateless between calls.
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[22:26] <gordonDrogon> the only thing it can read-back is the on-board gpio with the 'readall' command.
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[22:33] <K4k> got it working again. I guess I must just not be waiting long enough for things like reboots and system imaging. Even if I add && sync to the end of my dd line, I can't just yank it after it finishes
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[22:35] <gordonDrogon> odd. can't say I've had issues like that myself. sync then remove then off you go...
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[22:36] <buzzsaw> gordonDrogon: the demo you showed with the touch screen. would it be asking to much to create multiple screens to swipe between?
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[22:36] <buzzsaw> I think I will get one to hack around with but need to research it a bit more
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[22:40] <gordonDrogon> buzzsaw, the display can handle multiple screens.
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[22:41] <buzzsaw> okay
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> you don't 'swipe' though - either the Pi sends a command to the display that tells it which page to display, or the display itself can handle it without the Pi being involved.
[22:41] <buzzsaw> so then you might need something like a back and forth screen
[22:42] <buzzsaw> button
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> have a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tuO2MH2qpc
[22:42] <buzzsaw> sorry its almost the end of the day :-) word are just running around :-)
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> there are quite a few different demos there.
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> that's a long demo though :)
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[22:43] <buzzsaw> the visigeni (sorry not tuned to the accent yet) is that free? or paid?
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> skip forward to about 24 minutes.
[22:44] <buzzsaw> I did :-)
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> the software is free.
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[22:45] <buzzsaw> I might have to get one on payday then :-)
[22:45] <buzzsaw> depending on when my pi gets here :-)
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[22:47] <phw> I am using a ribbon cable like that one: http://www.c-u-s.co.uk/images/uploads/RASPBERRY_PI/GPIO_Cable/RPi_GPIO.JPG ; What cable equals which pin?
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> they're fun - not general purpose in that it's not that easy to do your own thing on it - they're really designed to take the load off the host computer though.
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[22:48] <gordonDrogon> phw, challenging :)
[22:48] <phw> i hoped su much they were named, but they are not :(
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> phw I would guess that the white wire is pin 1.
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> but it depends on which way round you put it on the pi.
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> So if you put it on the pi facing away from the pi, and not over the top then it looks like white is 1, black is 2.
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> so white would be 3.3v, black would be 5v.
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> brown would be 0v.
[22:49] <buzzsaw> a tablet capable of linux would be preferable but...
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> that would be easy to verify with a multimeter.
[22:50] <buzzsaw> I think a system can be developed using a pi and that screen + a wifi card...
[22:50] <buzzsaw> power might be the only issue
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> buzzsaw, yes - the backlight takes the most juice.
[22:50] <chod> i do have a multimeter that has usb, there was a driver for loonix somewhere
[22:50] <chod> i wonder...
[22:51] <phw> gordonDrogon: yeah, i guess i'll have to buy one these days...
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[22:52] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, any easy way to cut traces on stripboard
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, I have a proper little stripboard cutter tool...
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[22:55] <aaa801> :(, i just need to cut the trace
[22:55] <aaa801> no the actual board
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, however... I have used a flat-bladed screwdriver in the past.
[22:55] <aaa801> not#*
[22:55] <aaa801> ogod
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> oh, use a stanley knife.
[22:56] <aaa801> :D
[22:56] <aaa801> oky
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> phw if you have an LED and resistor, you could use that to check too.
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[22:56] <aaa801> i have a multimeter around here somewhere
[22:56] <aaa801> continuity test right ?
[22:56] <designer43> Camera ETA known?
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, no - voltage - for phw's gpio cable...
[22:57] <aaa801> phw?
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> designer43, "real soon now" ...
[22:57] <designer43> ok
[22:57] <aaa801> nono i mean to test if the strip is cut properly
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, ah, ok, yes, that'll work.
[22:57] <phw> gordonDrogon: Seems to work - very much!
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[22:58] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, right - re-reading your stuff. use a flat bladed screwdriver - push it from the side of the copper into the hole.
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> repeat on both sides - you might have some shards of copper which you can break off.
[22:58] <mgottschlag> hm, looks like I won't get around working with high currents in this project - anybody has any book or similar on practical electronics? I feel totally lost about questions like "If I attach a wire like this, how much current can I put through it" :|
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[22:59] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, http://www.maplin.co.uk/spot-face-cutter-1926 is similar to what I have.
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[22:59] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, how much current?
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[23:00] <mgottschlag> my current problem includes a part which should be specified for 30A :|
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> Ah. "lots" ... :)
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> there are tables online that I've found in the past - a lot depends on the wire, but for 30A you're looking at car battery jumper lead thicknesses...
[23:01] <ShadowJK> mgottschlag, I recommend 5 mm^2 cable, but it also depends on your voltage
[23:02] <ShadowJK> Lower voltage will mean more of the voltage lost, as a percentage
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> I^2 R loss.
[23:04] <mgottschlag> thx - is there any resource for such knowledge?
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[23:04] <gordonDrogon> http://www.miccomcables.com/Webrochure/Current%20Carrying%20Capacities%20&%20Other%20Technical%20Tables.pdf
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> but ever cable company has its own tables.
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[23:06] <gordonDrogon> stripboard gets quite warm at 5 amps ...
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> chod, http://wiringpi.com/the-gpio-utility/spi-mcp23s08-and-mcp23s17-extensions/
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[23:07] <mgottschlag> hm, I see
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[23:11] <gordonDrogon> the important bit is that the power loss (and therefore the heat generated!) goes up according to the square of the current...
[23:11] <chod> nice gordonDrogon
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[23:12] <gordonDrogon> anyone here going to the maker faire in Bristol tomorrow?
[23:13] <chod> there are some funny A's again
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> oh not again )-:
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> I think it's the cache.
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> ah well, I'll look later.
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> zed time now - 2 hour drive to bristol tomorrow.
[23:16] <chod> a pi jam in bristol?
[23:17] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, no, but I will probably be attending the maker faire in oslo
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> chod, no it's a maker faire.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, bit far for me!
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> zzz
[23:19] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, too bad, I'd have bought you a beer.
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[23:24] <stapper> Is there a known DSI screen for the port on the Pi that will work "out of the box"
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[23:30] <r0b0ty> Hi guys. Just got Rpi up and running. Is it safe do an 'apt-get upgrade' as in standard Debian OS? What's the norm?
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[23:34] <nid0> yes its fine
[23:34] <nid0> itll upgrade the os packages and the pi firmware if theres an update available
[23:35] <stapper> apt-get update&&apt-get upgrade
[23:35] <stapper> go grab a coffee
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[23:37] <r0b0ty> Cool, thanks dudes.
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[23:44] <A124> r0b0ty: apt-get dist-upgrade
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[23:45] <A124> (This one can upgrade packages that are incompatible as config files foes etc.)
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[23:45] <A124> Which is not an issue unless you run production
[23:48] <r0b0ty> A124: I'm currently running the apt-get upgrade... do you suggest running the dist-upgrade after?
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