#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-03-23

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[0:04] <aaa801> ]o god
[0:04] * aaa801 stumbles back from all his soldering
[0:05] <aaa801> THAT TOOK 4 HOURS
[0:05] <aaa801> REALY D:
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[0:09] <Armand> O_o
[0:09] <r0b0ty> Q: Guys, once you enable SSH, it stays enabled even after a power cycle, right?
[0:09] <r0b0ty> (via raspi config)
[0:11] <aaa801> aye
[0:11] <aaa801> ok sega cart connecter to jumper leads
[0:11] <aaa801> compelte :3
[0:11] <aaa801> now to hook up the thing XD
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[0:12] <r0b0ty> Thanks, aaa
[0:13] <r0b0ty> Oh... and will it retain the IP address it had previously?
[0:14] <aaa801> generaly not
[0:14] <plugwash> How are you assigning it an IP?
[0:14] <aaa801> if hes asking its prob dhcp
[0:14] <r0b0ty> I wasn't... I just did an ifconfig.
[0:15] <r0b0ty> Am I in a catch 22? I'll be running the Pi "headless", but if I don't know the IP address, can't log on remotely via SSH.
[0:15] <plugwash> iirc by default most dhcp clients will ask the dhcp server for the ip they had before, whether they will get it depends on what else has been going on in the network
[0:16] <aaa801> u could just edit the interface file
[0:16] <aaa801> give it a static ip
[0:16] <A124> r0b0ty: Define static one?
[0:16] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, progresssss
[0:16] <plugwash> personally I preffer to assign fixed addresses either on the machine itself or on the dhcp server
[0:16] <A124> r0b0ty: On most network there is dynamic range. And you can define static adress outside of that range
[0:16] <r0b0ty> OK. I'll have to google how to do that (haven't tried yet). Thanks.
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[0:17] <A124> r0b0ty: Welcome, if anything feel free to ask.
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[0:17] <kkit> r0b0ty, do you have access to the dhcp server? consumer routers should tell you what IPs are connected
[0:18] <r0b0ty> I have an Apple router (Airport or whatever). My Pi's connecting via wifi.
[0:19] <r0b0ty> kkit: I should probably read its manual. :)
[0:19] <r0b0ty> Sounds like you're suggesting that assigning a static IP address is done via the router itself?
[0:20] <kkit> that's one option
[0:20] <kkit> i use dd-wrt, and the status page gives me a list of active clients
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[0:21] <A124> r0b0ty: Some routers can do that based on MAC, some don't
[0:21] <A124> Most don't
[0:21] <r0b0ty> A124: Oh, that would be cool. But at least you've all pointed me in the right direction... the router!
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[0:23] * plugwash thought most routers could assign fixed IPs to mac adresses
[0:23] <r0b0ty> I haven't shut down the Pi, to avoid the hassle of moving my setup over to the TV, in case I lose access after a shutdown. :)
[0:24] <r0b0ty> This little thing is pretty cool, man.
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[0:26] <A124> r0b0ty: Yep. My router leases adresses.
[0:26] <[deXter]> It is, isn't it? :)
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[0:26] <A124> If I reconnect while it's leased I get the smae
[0:26] <A124> *same
[0:26] <[deXter]> I'm getting three or four more Pis now as soon as they come into stock again
[0:26] <A124> If I reconnect after the lease is out, I get first empty one
[0:27] <A124> [deXter]: You with that nick, what you have them for?
[0:27] * MichaelC1 is now known as MichaelC
[0:27] <r0b0ty> Makes sense, A124. I should really look into the static address, then.
[0:27] <[deXter]> A124, oh so many reasons, where do I begin?
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[0:28] <[deXter]> A124, One would be an exclusive router watchdog / backdoor with a dedicated 3G modem. It's basically so that I can remotely access my router and even reboot it if needed
[0:28] <A124> r0b0ty: In search terms, use "linux" or "debian", and third "Raspberry Pi", fourth "Raspbian"
[0:28] <A124> The more general you are the more likely you find it faster. But if you need you can go more specific
[0:29] <[deXter]> A124, the other one will be a watchdog for my PC, so I can remotely turn it off/on/wake up etc.
[0:29] <[deXter]> A124, One will be used as a dedicated media center box
[0:29] <[deXter]> A124, one will be a dedicated web/ftp/media server
[0:29] <[deXter]> and one will be for projects/hacking. :)
[0:29] <A124> Useless
[0:30] <[deXter]> ?
[0:30] <r0b0ty> Thanks, A124.
[0:30] <A124> First two should be done by router only
[0:30] <pipipipipi> Hey guys, I have a linux problem on my pi... so I made a python script that doesn't end (while loop) and I made a shell script that runs it as soon as my pi boots up, but now to stop the script ctrl-C doesn't work.... I guess because python isn't running in the main thread. Is there any way to kill it? or get access to the terminal again?
[0:30] <A124> DD-WRT recommend
[0:30] <[deXter]> A124, It's a shared router.. the others are too cheap to buy a decent one that supports DD-WRT
[0:31] <[deXter]> and if I'm buying a new router no point getting a non ac one
[0:31] <A124> Media? .. hmpff.. there are better things for that that run ARM, but OK
[0:31] <A124> That's a lie, about router but nvm.
[0:31] <[deXter]> Have you even used openElec? It's awesome, it's like the Pi and XBMC are made for each other
[0:31] <A124> Do you even listen or shout blindly?
[0:32] <[deXter]> No
[0:32] <A124> pipipipipi: Google: Single user mode
[0:33] <kkit> or mount the SD card locally and fix it that way
[0:33] <A124> [deXter]: I did not said it's unusable, I said there are better at that proce level.
[0:33] <[deXter]> I still don't get your point. You don't want me to use it then as a media box?
[0:33] <A124> And about data.. I would not use that for "production", for playing with, sure
[0:33] <[deXter]> Of course it's not for production
[0:34] <A124> [deXter]: You plug it directly to TV, dualcore etc.. can't find the link though.
[0:35] <A124> The pice is same as for Rpi. Because Rpi does not have needed cables / adapters, case included. And the price is ~$55
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[0:36] <pipipipipi> cool thanks A124 & kkit! Looks like I need to mount it locally to get it to boot into single user mode anyways since no bootloader appears
[0:36] <A124> You are just buyin/ using two more RPis without real deal.
[0:36] <A124> pipipipipi: That's ie
[0:36] <A124> *lie
[0:36] <A124> Or not?
[0:36] <pipipipipi> really?
[0:36] <[deXter]> A124, Are you talking about those USB/HDMI stick thingys?
[0:37] <A124> pipipipipi: On linux it's lie, not sure about RPi.
[0:37] <A124> [deXter]: Yep. Most of them suck, but there is one manufacturer that does it right
[0:37] <kkit> pipipipipi, you can't boot it locally. you just mount it like any normal filesystem (obviously you'll need to be on a system that understands ext4)
[0:37] <A124> [deXter]: He even has more variants
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[0:38] <A124> I'm looking to buy the faster, better one in some time. RPi is made for educational robotics, etc. And it's best for that
[0:39] <[deXter]> A124, any ideas who it's made by?
[0:39] <pipipipipi> someone said I can open the card locally and edit the cmdline.txt file to get it to boot into single user mode. no bootloader appears when I boot
[0:40] <pipipipipi> I guess if I had written down the IP I could have SSH'd into it
[0:41] <kkit> there's really no reason to boot into single user mode
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[0:41] <pipipipipi> just mount it and delete the script?
[0:41] <kkit> well, delete the line that's telling the script to run
[0:41] <A124> [deXter]: Maybe I'll start the other browser and take a look :p
[0:41] <[deXter]> sweet :)
[0:41] <pipipipipi> okeydokey
[0:42] <A124> Anyone want's RPi server hosting? http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.487826237918891.116145.130991943602324&type=1
[0:42] <A124> (It's free, and 100GB per month)
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[0:44] <[deXter]> Oh? Awesome
[0:45] <A124> I have the first Pi.. I'm thinking about buying new one and saving that one I have for ever
[0:45] <A124> :D
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[0:47] <A124> [deXter]: Minix
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[0:47] <A124> Hope you appreciate the effort xD
[0:48] <A124> http://www.minix.com.hk/
[0:48] <[deXter]> Thanks!
[0:49] <A124> Welcome ;)
[0:49] <[deXter]> There are just so many of these HDMI sticks though . what makes this one better than the others?
[0:49] <A124> The only "stick" or.. the other is not a stick, as it's more powerful than that, that I would persocally buy
[0:49] <A124> And I can say I'm very picky
[0:49] <A124> *personally
[0:50] <A124> *l
[0:50] <A124> [deXter]: Yeah, but those sticks suck most of the time
[0:51] <[deXter]> yep
[0:58] <aaa801> ok thats all the address lines
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[1:16] <aaa801> and all data lines
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[1:32] <parabyte> Whats the performance of the pi like
[1:32] <parabyte> Ethernet Device
[1:33] <Ben64> about 22/7
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[1:34] <[Saint]> Gotta love those random units :)
[1:35] <modernh> fresh install of archlinux on my pi .. netcfg / systemd fails at boot... I saw there is a new tool/package called netctl .. anyone knows how I could get it to work
[1:35] <modernh> netcfg together with systemd that is
[1:36] <modernh> when I say fresh install :) I mean first boot... sometimes it work..most of the times not
[1:36] <modernh> just unplug and hope
[1:36] <modernh> any ideas?
[1:37] <nid0> parabyte: it depends on your workload
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[1:37] <nid0> for sequential transfers to/from the pi's sd card its fine, you get a 100mbit adaptor that works at 100mbit
[1:38] <nid0> if you're reading/writing to/from a usb attached disk your performance is going to drop
[1:38] <nid0> and if you're transferring random/small data to a usb disk its going to be very poor
[1:40] <parabyte> well yes
[1:40] <parabyte> like most platforms
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[1:40] <nid0> not really
[1:40] <parabyte> oh i presumed i could attach a ide hard disk to it
[1:40] <nid0> performance drops off on the pi far worse than almost any device
[1:40] <parabyte> the sd card interface is partially compatible
[1:40] <parabyte> bummer
[1:41] <parabyte> ill find some other kit to play with
[1:41] <parabyte> :)
[1:41] <parabyte> obviously id be using vlan and such
[1:41] <parabyte> so might be asking too much of it
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[1:41] <nid0> well the main problem with performance over ethernet to a usb disk is the fact that everything including the ethernet hangs off one usb
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[1:42] <parabyte> ethernet is a wired as usb on the board?
[1:42] <A124> parabyte: Panda board?
[1:42] <A124> *Pandaboard
[1:42] <nid0> yes, the ethernet nic is just a usb nic plugged into the board's onboard usb host
[1:42] <nid0> as are both usb ports
[1:43] <A124> Not true
[1:43] <nid0> perfectly true
[1:43] <A124> Not
[1:43] <A124> The main thing is.. both ports are on the same hub
[1:44] <Ben64> 31218/9937 is the best ratio for pi under 10,000 for the denominator
[1:45] <plugwash> the SoC on the Pi only has one USB port which is used by both the USB ports AND the ethernet port (through a SMSC USB hub with ethernet chip)
[1:45] <parabyte> ewww
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[1:45] <parabyte> okay the pi is not for me
[1:45] <parabyte> thanks for help everyone
[1:45] <parabyte> A124, panda board here i come!
[1:45] <parabyte> :)
[1:46] <parabyte> thanks
[1:46] <parabyte> bye all
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[1:46] <modernh> :)
[1:47] <A124> Uhm nevermind I wanted to recommend sth else also.. but .. nvm :D
[1:48] * plugwash was about to say that the pandaboard had much the same problem
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[1:49] <plugwash> As do many other boards
[1:50] <plugwash> and even when there are seperate paths to the SoC one sometimes wonders just how independent they are after looking at the lsusb output :(
[1:52] <plugwash> too many arm boards are highly reliant on USB :(
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[1:53] <Ben64> pi is cooler than pandaboard anyway
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[1:55] <plugwash> The pandaboard is certainly more powerful than the Pi
[1:55] <plugwash> and has a lot more memory
[1:56] <Ben64> costs like 5x as much too
[1:56] <A124> Pandaboard and RPi are different fields
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[1:56] <A124> They are neighbors, though
[1:57] <Ben64> pi is tiny cheap and powerful (enough)
[1:57] <A124> False
[1:57] <A124> In HW yes.
[1:58] <A124> In software support not.
[1:58] <Ben64> debian
[1:58] <Ben64> whats not supported
[1:58] <A124> Speed float, graphic core
[1:58] <plugwash> The main thing that seems to be missing is integration between GPU acceleration and X
[1:59] <Ben64> well i don't use gui
[1:59] <Ben64> but that would be nice to have for people
[1:59] <plugwash> and combined with the slow main processor and lack of ram that makes the GUI experiance poor
[1:59] <A124> Nope
[2:00] <A124> If computations were done at GPU, it would be fast.. but.. closed source
[2:00] <A124> And closed instructions
[2:02] <plugwash> Having said that I probablly wouldn't buy a panda now, it's getting rather long in the tooth and there are options with much better processors at a similar price point
[2:02] <plugwash> for example the odriod stuff
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[2:16] <A124> plugwash: There is board with better CPU, HDMI dual, etc.
[2:16] <A124> Don't remember name. But it's powerful extensive, nice and nice on prie also
[2:16] <A124> *price
[2:17] * plugwash wants to know what board you are talking about
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[2:18] <plugwash> both the panda and panda ES have two HDMI connectors but AIUI only one is true HDMI, the other is DVI
[2:20] <Ben64> but hdmi = dvi
[2:20] <A124> Pi is slow
[2:20] <A124> Any idea how to boost IO (disk) ?
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[2:21] <A124> (card)
[2:21] <plugwash> HDMI ~= DVI
[2:21] <Ben64> get faster card
[2:21] <A124> Hehe
[2:21] <A124> Would that speedup IO?
[2:21] <plugwash> They have the same signal lines but HDMI adds audio data interleaved with the video data
[2:21] <Ben64> yeah
[2:22] <A124> Ben64: I mean.. IOPS?
[2:22] <Ben64> uh, maybe
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[2:28] <[Saint]> A124: it is pretty simple really - faster card, faster reads/writes. :)
[2:29] <[Saint]> The sandisk extreme pro series are pretty damn scary.
[2:29] <[Saint]> Rated at 95MB/s read, capable of ~110+
[2:29] <nid0> worthless on a pi though, which tops out at 20MB/s
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[2:30] <[Saint]> I see mine regularly beat that...
[2:30] <A124> [Saint]: IOPS is different storry
[2:31] <A124> Yeah in chip support disabled
[2:31] <A124> SD card protocol is proprietary and NDA
[2:32] <A124> Sucks
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[2:32] <A124> Only SPI is open
[2:34] <Crenn-NAS> openish^
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[2:37] <plugwash> iirc they opened a lot more of the SPI specs at some point
[2:38] <plugwash> the big problem on the Pi is it doesn't have control of the SD card IO voltage and you are only supposed to use the high speeds at a reduced IO voltage
[2:38] <plugwash> IIRC there is a way to force the speed up anyway but by doing so you violate the SD card spec
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[2:40] <A124> plugwash: Umm.. interesting.. how?
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[2:44] <plugwash> hmm I can't seem to find the option now :(
[2:49] <A124> plugwash: Meh
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[3:28] <pumtrix> How would I find out the product id and vendor id of my mobile dongle and check wheezy supports it?
[3:29] <pksato> lsusb ?
[3:29] <pumtrix> yeah it shows for storage
[3:29] <pumtrix> but im having issues with modeswitch.
[3:29] <pumtrix> and it's returning an error on sakis3g
[3:30] <pumtrix> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 12d1:151a Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.
[3:30] <pksato> eject /dev/sdx of modem storage mode
[3:30] <pumtrix> but I don't know the ID for the modem mode.
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[3:31] <pumtrix> also im getting an error in the log for the usb modeswitch
[3:33] <pksato> http://ilmoita.net/mot/?p=177
[3:35] <pumtrix> I'll try that after my smoke, thanks pksato. :-)
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[3:39] <frontendloader> does dd'ing raspbian normally take 5+ min?
[3:40] <plugwash> I'm not sure i've ever timed it but it certainly takes a while
[3:41] <frontendloader> would the size of the SD card have an effect on it?
[3:41] <plugwash> it shouldn't since the image is just written to the start of the card
[3:41] <frontendloader> it doesn't have to write over the whole thing does it?
[3:42] <trentg> I wouldn't be concerned after just 5 minutes
[3:43] <frontendloader> 1939865600 bytes transferred in 962.136875 secs (2016205 bytes/sec)
[3:44] <frontendloader> was starting to worry
[3:44] <trentg> relax :)
[3:48] <pksato> slow sd card.
[3:50] <frontendloader> class 10
[3:50] <frontendloader> slow sd card reader in my macbook maybe
[3:50] <trentg> most sd write/reader are usb so probably slow usb
[3:57] <SpeedEvil> even the cheapest readers will usually exceed 10m/s read
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[4:00] <frontendloader> http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Class-Flash-Memory-TS16GSDHC10E/dp/B003VNKNEQ its this card and my laptop is a late 2012 Mac Air
[4:06] <frontendloader> looks like it's my mac that's the problem
[4:06] <frontendloader> the rpi gets 11MB/s
[4:06] <fr0g911> maybe
[4:06] <fr0g911> have you tryed formatting the sd card and writing 0's to it
[4:06] <fr0g911> could be fragmented bad
[4:07] <frontendloader> I only care about its performance in the rpi so I'm going to just let it be
[4:07] <fr0g911> this is true
[4:11] <[Saint]> ...why would you zero out the card after formatting if if fragmentation was an issue?
[4:11] <[Saint]> Surely the former is sufficient.
[4:11] <[Saint]> *it if
[4:12] <r0b0ty> quit
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[4:16] <fr0g911> no
[4:16] <fr0g911> i meants zero out it
[4:16] <fr0g911> not format then zero it out lol
[4:17] <fr0g911> for sector
[4:17] <fr0g911> full*
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[4:18] <ron3090> I need some help with sound
[4:18] <ron3090> spme applications play it just fine (omxplayer mostly)
[4:18] <ron3090> but other won't output any at all (scummvm and mplayer)
[4:18] <ron3090> Any ideas?
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[4:30] <Tachyon`> you'd want to fill it with FF I'd think if you were trying to erase all the sectors
[4:30] <Tachyon`> although I doubt it's that easy with SD
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[4:43] <QazzaQY2K> hey anyone here that use pagekite ?
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[5:01] <A124> QazzaQY2K: The worst kind of question
[5:01] <A124> Almost noone did and who did has nothing to tell as you are not specific
[5:02] <QazzaQY2K> lol
[5:02] <QazzaQY2K> it's a simple yes or no question.
[5:03] <QazzaQY2K> time to sleep
[5:03] <QazzaQY2K> night
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[5:14] * [Saint] somehow thinks that "yes" or "no" wouldn't actually have been acceptable answers... ;)
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[5:37] <Tenkawa> greetings all
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[5:44] <buzzsaw> hello
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[7:09] <dansan> Hello everybody! :) I got my power supply today so I got to boot my pi, fun! :)
[7:09] <ParkerR> Nice
[7:10] <dansan> There was something I was going to change in Raspbian, and came here to ask, but I can't remember what it was now :)
[7:14] <[Saint]> It confuses me greatly that there's so many people seeking power supplies when almost any cellphone charger from the past few years will work fine.
[7:14] <dansan> 1A
[7:15] * [Saint] nods
[7:15] <dansan> more precisely, 700-1200 mA
[7:15] <[Saint]> Yes, I know.
[7:15] <[Saint]> And, there's no upper limit btw.
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[7:15] <[Saint]> you can give it 5A, 10...it doesn;t care.
[7:15] <dansan> Well, that's a suggested range. If you're putting a load on it, there is more
[7:15] <ParkerR> [Saint], Because a lot of power supplies (mainly cheap ones bundled with cellphones) drop voltage when their max current is reached
[7:16] <dansan> and tend to die when you stay at max for too long
[7:16] <trentg> Most tablet usb->ac don't work for me
[7:16] <[Saint]> I guess that's "mainly cheap ones bundled with /cheap/ cellphones" then?
[7:17] <trentg> iPad ones work best for me... otherwise with a load on the Pi the thing flakes out
[7:17] <dansan> I prefer not to take a chance. And especially when I play to pull current from the board's GPIO, I'm fine with spending $7 for a PSU
[7:17] <[Saint]> My hoard of samsung wall-warts and chargers from the past ~4 years all work fine.
[7:17] <ParkerR> [Saint], Just because a better cellphone comes with a charger doesn;t mean the charger is the best. Companies try to cut costs in a lot of areas
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[7:18] <trentg> I just ordered 2 new ipad wall warts so I can actually charge my ipads (using both for 2 pis!)
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[7:19] <trentg> Things are too expensive but at least I know they work
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[7:20] <[Saint]> I had this conversation with someone else, and I still can't understand what cruddy chargers epople end up getting...I tested every one I had, and not a single one supplied less than the rated value nor had a drop in voltage worth worrying about.
[7:20] * [Saint] shrugs
[7:21] <trentg> Well I have about 10 USB devices attached to one of my Pi
[7:21] <trentg> I was using a Kindle Fire one initially
[7:22] <[Saint]> trentg: if you're not using a powered hub for that - that's kinda silly. :)
[7:22] <trentg> I am but it still makes a difference. I don't know how because I'm not an electronics guy.
[7:22] <[Saint]> if you *are* using a powered hub, it is irrelevant.
[7:22] <trentg> Tell that to my Pi that kept shutting off.
[7:23] <dansan> [Saint]: everybody has a pet peeve that they want to evangelize
[7:23] <dansan> I just don't understand why I need a power supply at all. It should get electricity from the ethers
[7:24] <Ben64> they're gonna do power over ethernet i hear
[7:24] <[Saint]> I hear there's a bunch of free power devices on YouTube the Gubbernmint has been keeping secret from us...
[7:24] <dansan> ahh, that would be cool
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[7:24] <dansan> [Saint]: tons I'm certain of it
[7:24] <dansan> but we'll make do with that we have access to
[7:26] <[Saint]> Power over ethernet?!?
[7:26] <[Saint]> that's like...errr...44mA though?
[7:27] <[Saint]> ie. "nowhere near enough".
[7:27] <dansan> I presume he means some modified form of it
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[7:27] <dansan> would have to
[7:27] <ParkerR> Or wireless man :P
[7:27] <dansan> It would have to be a different cable too I'm guessing
[7:27] <dansan> lmao!!
[7:27] <ParkerR> Induction ftw
[7:28] <[Saint]> Well, there /is/ a specification for PoE over regular cat, but a "igh power" device is 44mA.
[7:28] <[Saint]> *high
[7:29] <[Saint]> Maybe its possible with something I've not seen/heard of yet, dunno.
[7:29] <ParkerR> There was one guy in here that built an addon for the Pi that was an upconverter that fed off of the ethernet pins and fed it to the power
[7:29] <[Saint]> heh - nice.
[7:30] <[Saint]> Hmmmm
[7:31] <[Saint]> 24AWG can safely carry 360 mA at 50V
[7:31] <[Saint]> and that's the standard for cat5e
[7:32] <[Saint]> cat6 would be able to carry a slightly larger load
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[7:50] <dansan> Hey, I want to send some arbitrary commands to a USB device in Linux and see it's response. How do I do that? I guess /proc/bus/usb is depreciated now and Linux doesn't allow you to write directly to /dev/input/mouse0 (or at least it's ignoring me)
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[7:52] <ParkerR> dansan, What kinds of comamnds are you sending it (and with what are you sending them with)?
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[7:52] <dansan> ParkerR: lol! I sent it with echo :)
[7:52] <ParkerR> Umm
[7:52] <dansan> echo -e "\xC0\x01\x00\x00\x02\x00\x01\x00" > /dev/input/mouse0
[7:52] <ParkerR> Well
[7:53] <dansan> doh! I forgot to tell it not to send a CR!
[7:53] <ParkerR> Did your mouse stop working after that?
[7:53] <ParkerR> :P
[7:53] <dansan> luckily, no :)
[7:53] <dansan> hmm, still no response, but then again, I haven't verified the chip in this mouse...
[7:54] <dansan> I'm presuming it's an Agilent/Avago...
[7:54] <dansan> I'll just hook one up that I know is
[7:55] <dansan> nope, nothing
[7:55] <dansan> I don't think it's transmitting
[7:56] <dansan> Do you know much about the USB mouse driver in Linux?
[7:57] <dansan> wait, let me try a more generic command
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[8:02] <dansan> bah, nothing
[8:03] <dansan> I'm guessing the stdin to /dev/input/mousex is hooked up to something other than the mouse's USB interface
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[8:08] <dansan> oh well, getting tired. I'll play with this tomorrow. night all!
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[8:19] <na85> anyone else have problems with otherwise-good keyboards having sticky keys on raspian?
[8:19] <na85> i basically can't type on my keyboard if it's plugged into my rpi's usb port
[8:19] <ParkerR> na85, There are known USB issues
[8:20] <na85> is there a fix available?
[8:20] <[Saint]> If there was, still be an issue? :)
[8:20] <ParkerR> na85, Hardware sadly
[8:20] <[Saint]> *WOULD IT STILL
[8:21] <ParkerR> Try a powered hub
[8:21] <[Saint]> oh lord, I cant type today at all
[8:22] <na85> ParkerR: I'll try that, thx. I guess that would make sense. It's one of those stupid logitech kb's with the LCD screen built in
[8:23] <[Saint]> Ahhhhh, yeah - the pi can only put out 140mA
[8:23] <[Saint]> check the keyboard, it _should_ state the power consumption.
[8:23] <[Saint]> most keyboards will only use 50~100mA, add an LCD, and that increases.
[8:24] <na85> well it's rated for 500 mA but it's got a usb hub built in
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[8:24] <na85> so i assumed it would draw less
[8:24] <na85> with nothing plugged in
[8:24] <na85> i can't imagine it's sucking up 2.5 watts all day
[8:24] <[Saint]> It likely isn't that smart.
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[8:25] * na85 shrugs
[8:25] <[Saint]> It is designed to be connected to a device that can supply 500mA happily.
[8:26] <na85> yeah i know
[8:26] <na85> but
[8:26] <na85> i'm an engineer so i'm used to not treating those numbers are hard limits
[8:26] <na85> usually there's a fudge factor
[8:26] <na85> *as
[8:26] <na85> not are
[8:27] <na85> anyways
[8:27] <na85> it works fine over ssh
[8:27] <na85> so
[8:27] <na85> all's well :)
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[9:44] <jelly1> btw /me wonders if someone found out Greg's mobile Pi presenter
[9:44] <jelly1> https://plus.google.com/111049168280159033135/posts/EHVrByKeTDB :D
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[11:44] <saml> how much electricity does it use ?
[11:45] <ParkerR> saml, Define it
[11:45] <saml> i'll run a server for home use. 24/7 up. wanted to get how much i need to pay for electricity roughly
[11:46] <ParkerR> Very little
[11:46] <Triffid_Hunter> saml: rpi uses about 3.5w last time I checked
[11:46] <ParkerR> <3 watts
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[11:46] <saml> [*]Therefore the maximum theoretical amount a RasbPi should ever cost in a year is (43.95kWh*??0.2) which is ??8.79
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[11:47] <Triffid_Hunter> saml: (3.5 watts) * 1 year = 30.6803447 kilowatt hours. the rest is probably power supply inefficiency
[11:48] <saml> i wish i had fast internet connection then i could serve to public
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[11:50] <Triffid_Hunter> saml: I think you'd want something a bit more powerful than an rpi for serving to public, unless you don't mind it falling over when the traffic picks up, or your content is entirely static and can mostly fit in ram
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[11:50] <featheredfrog> brand new rpi, and ypbind appears not to be querying the network (at least per tcpdump on my ypserver). Ideas?
[11:50] <saml> it's all static with lecture mp3s (about 20MB each)
[11:50] <featheredfrog> yp.conf is set according to docs...
[11:51] <saml> tumblr just should let me upload mp3s larger than 10MB
[11:51] <Triffid_Hunter> saml: ah I have a rackspace account, I use their CDN for stuff like that
[11:52] <Triffid_Hunter> saml: you could certainly try it, but don't make anyone's marks depend on it being reliable
[11:53] <Triffid_Hunter> saml: even better: add a picture, post on youtube
[11:53] <saml> i'm just being way too cheap. looks like instead of paying for $5/month, I can use S3 or google cloud storage or similar for less than $1/month to run a static site.
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[11:53] <saml> yah maybe i'll provide the teachers with a script that converts mp3 to video
[11:54] <Triffid_Hunter> saml: there's an audio site that's gaining popularity, soundcloud or something
[11:54] <Triffid_Hunter> I know what teachers are like, as a group they can screw up even simple drag+drop stuff
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[11:55] <Steve_H> Hi all, I've got a problem with my RPi crashing, any help?
[11:55] <saml> voice recorders just have one touch button saying "upload to youtube"
[11:56] <Triffid_Hunter> saml: that's called 'google hangout'
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[12:15] <KebabBob> How do I configure wifi on raspbian? wlan0 is detected but googling around I haven't found anything on how to configure it CLI. I'm running my pi headless
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[12:20] <saml> eh? i thought rpi only came with ethernet
[12:20] <KebabBob> I'm using a usb dongle
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[12:23] <saml> KebabBob, not familiar with debian but have you tried this? http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line
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[12:23] <KebabBob> yes
[12:24] <saml> what's the problem?
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[12:35] <padmick> hi all
[12:37] <padmick> is anyone here currently on their raspberry pi?
[12:38] <jelly1> maybe
[12:38] <jelly1> just ask
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[12:39] <t3ch> :)
[12:39] <andreiiar> Hello. I can't upgrade my Debian soft-float. I get http error 403 Forbidden. Why?
[12:40] <jelly1> padmick: just state your problem
[12:41] <andreiiar> Also I tried installing git and have same error. Can't retrive packages from debian.net
[12:41] <t3ch> andreiiar i can post my /etc/apt/sources.list if you wana try it
[12:41] <t3ch> w3m google.com works?
[12:41] <t3ch> :)
[12:42] <jelly1> ping google.com works?
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[12:42] <t3ch> :]
[12:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Is this when you're trying to install packages or when you 'sudo apt-get update' ?
[12:43] <padmick> well im testing out hamachi and im wondering if anyone has got their raspberry pi online and a copy of minecraft for pi
[12:43] <andreiiar> Yes it works
[12:43] <andreiiar> I also tried to connect with nc to debian.net and i got 200 back
[12:43] <padmick> i want to test if i can get them communicating
[12:43] <andreiiar> apt-get upgrade
[12:44] <t3ch> i have that in my /etc/apt/sources.list if it helps:
[12:44] <t3ch> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
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[12:45] <andreiiar> Hmm. I am reluctatnt to add unknown repos
[12:46] <ShiftPlusOne> If he's running plain debian, it might be a bad idea to use raspbian repos O_o
[12:46] <andreiiar> And that which I missed
[12:46] <t3ch> ya probably, try different system put on your sdcard :)
[12:46] <andreiiar> I dont want a diffrent system
[12:47] <t3ch> that use raspberryan repos
[12:47] <andreiiar> I had armlinux but I want this one
[12:47] <t3ch> it is same debian
[12:47] <t3ch> aha
[12:47] <A124> Op Op Op opa gangnam style
[12:47] <A124> Archlinux
[12:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Maybe you should be poking the debian folks then. Not many people use it here.
[12:47] <andreiiar> Yes ARCH
[12:47] <parasciidic> ok, should i consider myself mental, if i read "armlinux" as "archlinux"?
[12:47] <A124> Just half
[12:48] <A124> xD
[12:48] <parasciidic> fair enough
[12:48] <andreiiar> Donno
[12:49] <parasciidic> btw, anyone had some experience with fluxbox crapping out when it draws a window?
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[12:58] <padmick> anyone want to help me set up mulitplayer for minecraft for raspberry pi?
[12:58] <Nik05> no
[12:58] <steve_rox> fun
[12:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Nik05, that's not very nice
[12:59] <padmick> if any one does message me
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[13:02] <padmick> im gonna try and use hamachi to trick it into making it multiplayer
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[13:30] <mgbowman> Bochi: ping
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[13:35] <andreiiar> Ok I made things work. I just chaged the link to the files in sources.list
[13:36] <yehnan> Hello, is there DIP version of digital-to-analog converter IC ? MCP4725 is not DIP.
[13:37] <ShiftPlusOne> MCP3008 ?
[13:38] <yehnan> MCP 3008 is ADC
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[13:38] <ShiftPlusOne> sorry, misread
[13:40] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.maximintegrated.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/1119
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[13:40] <ShiftPlusOne> 5v though
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[13:42] <ShiftPlusOne> If you spend a few minutes on element14 and use their parametric search, you're sure to find plenty
[13:43] <ShiftPlusOne> (for example, http://au.element14.com/digital-to-analog-converters-dac)
[13:46] <ShiftPlusOne> AD7303 looks alright
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[13:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Pricey though, I just sorted by price and there are lots of cheaper ones, but you'd need to select one that fits your application.
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[14:16] <dangerousdave> hi, how do i keep my raspbian OS up to date please?
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[14:31] <kaste> apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
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[14:38] <yehnan> ShiftPlusOne: thanks a lot.
[14:38] <ShiftPlusOne> np
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[15:00] <aaa801> :(, got the cart hooked in, all im getting from data lines are nulls :(
[15:01] <dangerousdave> thanks
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[15:09] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, Any ideas
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[15:17] <KebabBob> How do I configure wifi on raspbian? wlan0 is detected but googling around I haven't found anything on how to configure it CLI. I'm running my pi headless
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[15:19] <_inc> 'afternoon ladies and gents
[15:22] <Bochi> mgbowman: pong
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[15:43] <Posterdati> hi
[15:43] <Posterdati> I've got problem with ethernet
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[15:44] <Posterdati> after it worked for a couple of months now it won't connect any more, I have to power cycle the board
[15:44] <Posterdati> eth0 is up in dhcp but it is not pingable
[15:45] <Posterdati> voltage across TP1-TP2 is 4.82V
[15:45] <pksato> Posterdati: cable, router/server?
[15:45] <Posterdati> measured with an oscilloscope
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[15:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd blame the voltage, since there was a guy here with 4.75v with a similar problem. Try with a better supply/cable and see if you still have the problem.
[15:46] <Posterdati> ShiftPlusOne: 4.82V is ok
[15:47] <ShiftPlusOne> have you measured the polyfuse voltage as well?
[15:47] <Posterdati> yes
[15:47] <ShiftPlusOne> insignificant?
[15:47] <Posterdati> it is 4.82V too
[15:47] <ShiftPlusOne> no, I meant the polyfuse alone
[15:48] <Posterdati> the drop on it?
[15:48] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[15:48] <ShiftPlusOne> But I guess you measured from the polyfuse to the 5v line and got 4.82, so no drop across the fuse.
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[15:48] <pksato> Posterdati and get a stable line on oscilloscope?
[15:48] <Posterdati> pksato: yes, veri stable
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[15:49] <Posterdati> ShiftPlusOne: in fact
[15:49] <Posterdati> I installed a newer raspian image too, but no way
[15:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Well good luck, I still think 4.82 is a bit low, but I'll leave it.
[15:50] <Posterdati> ShiftPlusOne: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Troubleshooting_power_problems
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[15:50] <pksato> but, nano seconds spikes can distube digital logics.
[15:51] <Posterdati> ShiftPlusOne: which psu are you using?
[15:53] <ShiftPlusOne> A wiki is a wiki, it's only as reliable as the last person who edited that snippet. It says 4.75 is fine, yet when the guy from about a week ago tried a different power supply, his lan issues went away. Of course I am not saying that it's likely that your issue is the same, but I think that's an easy possible cause to rule out.
[15:53] <ShiftPlusOne> I have apple and samsung phone chargers
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[15:53] <Posterdati> ah ok
[15:54] <pksato> Posterdati: you test other cable or switch port?
[15:54] <Posterdati> yes PC usb, but their voltages are even less than the usb hub
[15:55] <pksato> Its a sowtware or hardware issue?
[15:55] <Posterdati> ethernet doesn't work
[15:56] <pksato> no link led?
[15:56] <Posterdati> it is configured, but it cannot answer the ping
[15:56] <Posterdati> link led is lit
[15:56] <Posterdati> and it is blinking
[15:56] <pksato> on both sides? (rpi and switch)?
[15:56] <Posterdati> but ethernet has got a lot of loss packest
[15:56] <Posterdati> yes
[15:57] <pksato> and, dhcp client can not get a lease?
[15:57] <Posterdati> dhcp server sends ip config, raspi got the ip but did not complete the config
[15:58] <Posterdati> Mar 23 15:14:18 xxxx dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from b8:27:eb:ec:08:ef via eth0
[15:58] <Posterdati> Mar 23 15:14:18 xxxx dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on to b8:27:eb:ec:08:ef via eth0
[15:58] <pksato> if, set static ip on rpi? get packet loss? (ping)
[15:58] <Posterdati> yes
[15:59] <Posterdati> sometimes povercycle the board seems fix the problem
[15:59] <pksato> povercycle switch?
[15:59] <Posterdati> no
[15:59] <Posterdati> the raspberry
[15:59] <mgbowman> Bochi: hey ??? was away
[15:59] <pksato> try povercycle switch.
[16:00] <Bochi> mgbowman: np, so are things running already?
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[16:01] <Zencrypter> EPIC WIN !!
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[16:02] <Posterdati> pksato: I unplugged the ethernet cable router side and replugged, now seems to work
[16:02] <Posterdati> pksato: maybe a defective cable
[16:02] <Zencrypter> I changed Barracudadrive listening ports !
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[16:03] <mgbowman> Bochi: no. conrad didn't have the psu.
[16:03] <pksato> On sometimes, glitch on main power put eletronic devices on weird state.
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[16:05] <mgbowman> that and I'm thinking out how the permanent install will be
[16:05] <mgbowman> since the idea is to mount it to the tv
[16:05] <mgbowman> and I'm using almost 5m which requires almost 10a
[16:05] <Posterdati> pksato: tx
[16:05] <Posterdati> ShiftPlusOne: tx
[16:06] <Bochi> the howto says to connect the power adapter to the rpis gpio ports doesnt it
[16:06] <Bochi> question is if 10a wouldn't grill the pi then
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[16:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Posterdati, glad you sorted it out.
[16:07] <Posterdati> maybe :)
[16:07] <pksato> Just use fuse to power RPi from GPIO.
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[16:07] <Posterdati> it seems to work now
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[16:07] <pksato> Posterdati: cable is long?
[16:08] <Posterdati> pksato: no about 50 cm
[16:08] <pksato> very short.
[16:08] <Posterdati> pksato: was a patch cable found in the router package
[16:08] <pksato> 75cm
[16:08] <Posterdati> pksato: you know that red clables :)
[16:09] <Posterdati> pksato: it is not crossed
[16:09] <Zencrypter> nid0, :??
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[16:09] <Posterdati> ShiftPlusOne: I'd like to put two usb memory sticks on raspy and do a little raid :)
[16:09] <nid0> ?
[16:10] <Encrypt> nid0, Do you remember what you showed me yesterday ?
[16:10] <ShiftPlusOne> ...that's possible?
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[16:10] <Posterdati> ShiftPlusOne: raid?
[16:10] <nid0> ShiftPlusOne: its perfectly possible
[16:10] <Encrypt> nid0, Running two web servers on the Pi with Barracudadrive
[16:10] <ShiftPlusOne> raid the way you described it
[16:10] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[16:10] <nid0> but itll be, in the words of a less family friendly channel
[16:10] <nid0> s**t
[16:11] <Posterdati> ShiftPlusOne: two usb memory sticks formatted with ext3 or 4
[16:11] <nid0> Encrypt: well done
[16:11] <Encrypt> nid0, They said the only thing we could do was to redirect the HTTP connection made to Nginx on Barracudadrive
[16:11] <Posterdati> then put in raid mirror
[16:12] <Encrypt> nid0, Since I won't be using HTTP (Too dangerous to upload files) I modified /etc/init.d/bdd and changed the HTTP port the daemon was supposed to listen to
[16:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, not sure why I thought it wouldn't work.
[16:12] <Posterdati> ShiftPlusOne: the only thing is the short of space
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[16:19] <aaa801> blarg
[16:20] <aaa801> grrr
[16:20] <aaa801> random interference on data lines
[16:20] <aaa801> D:
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[16:25] <mgbowman> Bochi: 10a def would grill the pi
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[16:25] <mgbowman> the production will use an uno but it's the same principal
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[16:26] <mgbowman> I'm just not sure if I need to GND to the uno off the strips
[16:26] <mgbowman> and if it's fine to just "split / splice" the power every 1m
[16:29] <aaa801> note to self, dont use shody connectors on the i2c bus
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[16:30] <chupacabra> where does rasbian want web pages by default?
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[16:32] <nid0> depends on your webserver and how you've configured it
[16:33] <nid0> often /var/www though
[16:33] <Encrypt> ChubZee, Are you using Nginx ? :)
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[16:33] <Encrypt> chupacabra, *
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[16:50] <chupacabra> I am. just installed and fired it up.
[16:51] <chupacabra> Encrypt, prolly gonna put drupal on it.
[16:51] <chupacabra> Ya it was a dumb question. just looked in enginx config to find web root
[16:51] <Encrypt> Ok :)
[16:52] <Encrypt> Actually, you can redirect it whereever you want
[16:52] <Encrypt> Setting location /
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[16:52] <Encrypt> But it is normally in /var/www
[16:52] <chupacabra> for sure. just waking up here.
[16:52] <chupacabra> ya, why i asked. no /var/www here. hehhe
[16:53] <chupacabra> prolly apache makes that
[16:53] <Encrypt> chupacabra, Which kind of drive did you put drupal on ?
[16:53] <Encrypt> chupacabra, Create it ! ;)
[16:54] <chupacabra> i was gonna put it on the sd with DB on a nfs partition
[16:55] <Encrypt> Why not on a USB stick ?To make your SD Card last longer ?
[16:56] <Encrypt> That's what I've done with my website...
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[16:56] <Encrypt> Then, I created a link to the USB stick :
[16:56] <Encrypt> cd /var
[16:56] <Encrypt> ln -s /media/USB ./www
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[16:56] <chupacabra> could do that. want native first to check out speed
[16:57] <chupacabra> why i chose nginx instead of apache
[16:57] <atouk> why link when you can put the entire rootfs there
[16:58] <chupacabra> I been dealing with embedded since the 90s. 16 meg was a huge system.
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[16:59] <Encrypt> atouk, You're right...
[16:59] <Encrypt> Then change the location on /media/USB directly...
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[17:00] <atouk> usb is faster than sd, and less prone to corruption when overclocking, too
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[17:01] <nid0> genius idea #36: host your drupal install's file content in ram, not on a disk at all
[17:03] <aaa801> grrrrrrrr
[17:03] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, is there any other lines i need hooked up to this cart
[17:03] <aaa801> it wont surrender any data
[17:05] <ShiftPlusOne> aaa801, whatcha doing?
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[17:06] <ShiftPlusOne> not reading console or old computer rom cartridges by any chance?
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[17:18] <jkbbwr> does wheezy need perl or can I tear it out
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[17:22] <aaa801> ShiftPlusOne, sega megadrive (genesis) carts
[17:22] <aaa801> http://www.sodnpoo.com/posts.xml/mega_mega_reader.xml
[17:22] <aaa801> :D
[17:22] <aaa801> i think i need the reset line hooked up or something
[17:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Your site?
[17:22] <aaa801> nope
[17:23] <aaa801> that guy did it on the arduino
[17:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I may be bugging you in the not too distant future then.
[17:23] <aaa801> mhmm :P?
[17:23] <aaa801> What you attempting
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[17:24] <ShiftPlusOne> I am making some hardware to dump c64 media. Currently working on tapes, but cartridges are on the to-do list (not just C64).
[17:24] <ShiftPlusOne> That's a few months away though
[17:25] <ShiftPlusOne> That site seems to have it covered pretty well though, thanks.
[17:28] <mgbowman> Bochi: did you get my pm?
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[17:30] <aaa801> ShiftPlusOne, that guys contact email is on his site somewhere, he will prob give u a hand
[17:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Hey, don't dump your problems on him.
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[17:31] <aaa801> im not, he said there was a couple issues in his code, and i havnt found anyone else that has done it
[17:32] <aaa801> + im trying to get this done before my local raspberry jam
[17:32] <aaa801> ShiftPlusOne, http://www.retroisle.com/commodore/c64128/Technical/Hardware/c64ports.php
[17:32] <aaa801> might help you out
[17:32] <aaa801> its got quite nice info
[17:33] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
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[18:17] <andrewvos> Hi all - For some reason when I connect my HHKB (keyboard that happens to have two usb 1 ports) and an external HD at the same time, the HD doesn't mount.
[18:17] <andrewvos> Anyone seen anything like this?
[18:17] <jelly1> not enough power?
[18:18] <jelly1> try a powered hub
[18:18] <andrewvos> I am powering the pi with a 1000mah wall adapter, and the keyboard/HD is on a 4 port hub
[18:18] <andrewvos> (powered hub)
[18:18] <andrewvos> jelly1: ^
[18:18] <jelly1> ah
[18:18] <jelly1> no clue then
[18:18] <andrewvos> I even bought a new hub :(
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[18:18] <andrewvos> The thing was more expensive than the pi!
[18:18] <andrewvos> Yeah it's weird
[18:18] <andrewvos> Does the pi have bluetooth by the way?
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[18:19] <ShiftPlusOne> It does not, though you can use a dongle.
[18:19] <andrewvos> Ok
[18:19] <andrewvos> Wondering if I could try connect my apple keyboard.
[18:19] <andrewvos> Has anyone here successfully used an apple remote?
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[18:35] <zleap> andrewvos, apple keyboards do work be care ful as parently they need quite a lot of current to start up if being used as a hub
[18:35] <zleap> we had issues at the computer clubi run, in that a pi kept resetting
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[18:36] <zleap> oddly i plugged in a keyboard to the pi and a wifi dongle to the pi fine, thne connected a mouse to the apple keyboard and it worked, so YMMV
[18:37] <andrewvos> zleap: It's a wireless keyboard
[18:38] <zleap> ok
[18:38] <zleap> not sure then
[18:38] <zleap> it should work
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[18:43] <Encrypt> Does anyone of you know about SSL ?
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[18:43] <Encrypt> Now I have barracudadrive working, I'm about to change my SSL certificate
[18:44] <Encrypt> I have seen that we can set a password on the SSL certificate using the -des3 option in openssl
[18:44] <Encrypt> Does it mean that whenever we would connect to barracudadrive using HTTPS, it will ask for a password to set the connection ?
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[18:46] <Encrypt> I've never seen such a thing on the internet...
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[18:46] <Encrypt> So, I'm wondering how it works... and google doesn't help me that much :S
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[18:52] <ReggieUK> http://www.openssl.org/docs/HOWTO/keys.txt
[18:52] <Encrypt> ReggieUK, Yes, I found that one :)
[18:52] <ReggieUK> it's fairly clear there about handling -des3 :)
[18:53] <Encrypt> ReggieUK, But does it mean whenever we would connect to https://url, we would have to enter a password to access the content ?
[18:53] <Encrypt> I'm wondering how it works actually...
[18:53] <ReggieUK> only if you use the -des3 option
[18:53] <Encrypt> ReggieUK, Just to be sure...
[18:53] <Encrypt> Imagine I'm connecting to https://mywebsite.com
[18:53] <Encrypt> Then I'm asked for the certificate password ?
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[18:54] <Encrypt> (And a white page displays on the screen so long as I enter the password ?)
[18:54] <ReggieUK> I have no real experience of ssl but what I'm reading from the openssl howto says yes, it will ask for a password but I don't know how it will ask for a password
[18:54] <Encrypt> Ok :)
[18:54] <Encrypt> Then, I'll test...
[18:55] <ReggieUK> yeah, that's your best bet
[18:55] <Encrypt> It would be fabulous :D
[18:58] <ReggieUK> well, that's what the keys are for anyway
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[18:58] <ReggieUK> to stop people just accessing it
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[19:44] <Encrypt> Well, it seems the certificate I created is not loaded
[19:44] <Encrypt> Even if there is no password
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[19:45] <Encrypt> As anyone of you installed barracudadrive with an SSL Certificate ?
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[19:47] <andrewvos> Transmission can't write to a directory on mx external drive and it's FAT32 so I can't set the group or anything
[19:47] <andrewvos> Any ideas?
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[19:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I am guessing it's either mounted read only or with wrong parameters, or the directory you're mounting on doesn't have the right permissions set.
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[19:52] <andrewvos> ShiftPlusOne: How can I remount it as writeable?
[19:53] <ShiftPlusOne> have you verified that it's actually mounted as read only? Pretty sure it mounts it properly by default. I don't have a linux box in front of me to check right now though.
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[19:54] <andrewvos> Hmm
[19:54] <ShiftPlusOne> So, hopefuly someone who actually knows what they're talking about will jump in right about now.
[19:54] <andrewvos> I can access it from the default pi user
[19:54] <andrewvos> Sorry I can write to it I mean
[19:54] <andrewvos> So I guess it's not mounted as readonly
[19:54] <andrewvos> The transmission-daemon user just can't write to it
[19:54] <ShiftPlusOne> where is it mounted?
[19:54] <andrewvos> /media/UNTITLED
[19:55] <andrewvos> (UNTITLED is the name of the disk)
[19:55] <ShiftPlusOne> no clue then.
[19:55] <bact> andatche: create a new user group, add both your main user account and transmission to it, then set the group owner recursively
[19:56] <andrewvos> bact: What happens when I "set the group owner recursively"?
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[19:57] <bact> andatche: it applies the same permissions to everthing in the folder
[19:57] <bact> *everything
[19:57] <andrewvos> bact: But this won't work on FAT32 will it?
[19:59] <bact> oh
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[20:02] <andrewvos> Any idea how I can start transmission-daemon as root?
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[20:02] <andrewvos> I know it's probably not good practice but I'm not really that bothered.
[20:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd modify the init.d script directly
[20:03] <andrewvos> Oh wow I was just loking at it :)
[20:03] <andrewvos> USER=transmission-daemon
[20:03] <andrewvos> :)
[20:03] <pksato> mount fatfs with mode 660 or 666 or 777 or 770
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[20:05] <andrewvos> pksato: How would I do that?
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[20:10] <pksato> or better, use umask.
[20:11] <pksato> mount -t vfat umask=222,rw,other_parameters /dev/sdx1 /media/someplace
[20:12] <pksato> of, if are auto mounted, need some other settings on udev rules.
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[20:18] <steve_rox> i see they are feeding the rpi cam module carrots to improve its dark sensitivity
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[20:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Or they are trying to hide the fact that they have radar from the nazis =/
[20:20] <steve_rox> its possible i guess
[20:21] <ShiftPlusOne> (In case that made no sense, http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2005/10/26/1392430.htm )
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[20:23] <steve_rox> fun
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[20:25] <steve_rox> wonder what projects ppl will make with the rpi cam
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[20:26] <chupacabra> i want one. just got webcam working for wireless security machine
[20:27] <chupacabra> its out by the pool now. hehehe
[20:27] <steve_rox> :P
[20:29] <steve_rox> any other fun ideas for it?
[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> computer vision and robotics folks will probably like it.
[20:30] <steve_rox> yea
[20:30] <steve_rox> i cant think of any amazing idea for it yet but it seems cool
[20:30] <steve_rox> maybe some open source digital cam project or something :-p
[20:31] <atouk> i'll order one with a project in mind, and then see 3 versions of it on hackaday before i get delivery, and then just look at it and pout
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[20:32] <steve_rox> any more ideas?
[20:32] <chupacabra> ya, wheels is a next project.
[20:32] <chupacabra> when they available?
[20:33] <chupacabra> url?
[20:33] <steve_rox> "soon"
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[20:33] <ShiftPlusOne> (but not really)
[20:33] <chupacabra> Id like to see one for size and all
[20:34] <chupacabra> some pretty tiny webcams on ebay
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[20:40] <chupacabra> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3224 hmmmmm
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[21:47] <hmb-bruce> I just got my new raspberry pi board ( 2 b) and it works, but the fonts look terrible - very badly aliased. I looked on google and found advice to install ttf-dejavu. I did that, but saw no improvement. Any ideas on how to improve the text rendering, especially in browsers and the desktop.
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[21:50] <stapper> My python script is traking up to much resources, it checks if GPIO17 is low and sends ESC to the system. is there away to create a shell script that requires less CPU
[21:51] <mythos> hmb-bruce, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_Configuration
[21:51] <hmb-bruce> mythos, thanks.
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[21:58] <tdy_> how can someone tell you how to improve your code if they don't know your code?
[22:00] <mythos> psychic
[22:01] <stapper> It's not much
[22:01] <stapper> #!/usr/bin/env python
[22:01] <stapper> import RPi.GPIO as GPIO
[22:01] <stapper> import uinput
[22:01] <stapper> events=(uinput.KEY_ESC,)
[22:01] <stapper> device=uinput.Device(events)
[22:01] <stapper> GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BCM)
[22:01] <stapper> GPIO.setup(17, GPIO.IN)
[22:01] <stapper> while True:
[22:01] <stapper> button=GPIO.input(17)
[22:01] <stapper> if button==False:
[22:01] <stapper> device.emit(uinput.KEY_ESC,1)
[22:01] <stapper> device.emit(uinput.KEY_ESC,0)
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[22:01] <stapper> while button==False:
[22:01] <stapper> button=GPIO.input(17)
[22:02] <bertrik> it's often easier to use something like pastebin for code snippets longer than 2 lines
[22:02] <stapper> I'm actually looking for a way to do it in a shell hoping it wouldn't take as much resources.
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[22:02] <tdy_> "taking up too much resources" is too subjective
[22:03] <trevorman> stapper: what bertrik said. pastebin next time please. as for your question, use something like epoll.
[22:03] <tdy_> i doubt you'll get any better performance no matter how you script it
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[22:03] <stapper> http://pastebin.com/EQt3R32Y
[22:03] <tdy_> this isn't C
[22:03] <quadmasta> is this the right place to get help with rasbmc?
[22:04] <trevorman> you can significantly reduce it by using epoll...
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[22:07] <andreiiar> May I tell you a joke?
[22:07] <stapper> epoll is unix scripting right, or is there a python equivalent, and how do I send KEY_ESC from that script then?
[22:09] <trevorman> stapper: try http://quick2wire.com/2012/11/using-interrupt-driven-gpio-in-raspian/ ymmv as I've not actually tried that particular library or snippets
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[22:12] <stapper> Thanks Trevorman looks good, i'll tell you how it went
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[22:14] <Frenchie4111> Cheapest usb hub for pi?
[22:15] <na85> Frenchie4111: any powered usb hub ought to do
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[22:19] <dansan> ok, so I've lost my non-ESD-safe soldiering iron (actually, I'm sure it's around here somewhere, but this may be just the excuse I need!). So I'm looking at a Weller WES51 on amazon for $89.84 shipped & taxed. Anybody with opinions on a good soldiering iron for SMT? http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WES51-Analog-Soldering-Station/dp/B000BRC2XU/
[22:20] <dansan> oh, that's US$
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[22:21] <jelly1> looks cool http://www.adafruit.com/products/962
[22:21] <jelly1> for 5.5 hours
[22:21] <dansan> Oh, that brings me to another question probably not asked much in the US. I've only used lead-free solder once and had a lot of problems with it (this was a good while back). Has it gotten better? Also, maybe it helps to have a bottle of flux or something?
[22:21] <trevorman> dansan: that weller is pretty good for a reasonable price
[22:22] <trevorman> yeah. loads of flux is good
[22:22] <dansan> trevorman: ty!
[22:22] <dansan> Do you do lead-free solder?
[22:23] <dansan> I would like to move in that direction as it's less toxic -- less trouble trying to contain it and make sure you aren't getting it into your food, cat, etc.
[22:23] <trevorman> lead free still isn't as good unfortunately. can't do much about it though.
[22:23] <dansan> Maybe I'll get some and experiment on something I don't mind screwing up
[22:23] <trevorman> you can't swap between them unless you change the tip
[22:24] <dansan> I've never heard of anybody using lead-free in the states, unless they plan on selling it in Europe
[22:24] <dansan> oh!!!
[22:24] <dansan> that's helpful!
[22:24] * jelly1 needs a cool RPI project
[22:24] <dansan> jelly1: I would tell you to help with mine, but much of it seems boring :(
[22:24] <jelly1> dansan: what is it
[22:25] <dansan> my brother and I are working on an open hardware telescope drive
[22:25] <jelly1> hmm
[22:25] <jelly1> boring :D
[22:25] <jelly1> dansan: cool
[22:25] <dansan> with very high precision
[22:25] <dansan> lol! The boring part is trying to find mice and then trying to get data sheets on the chips
[22:25] <trevorman> dansan: yeah. traces of lead getting into lead free solder joints makes them unreliable so you'll want to keep a separate tip for it. I'm in Europe so its all lead free here
[22:26] <dansan> And then I have to get a hold of some ADNS-9800s in quantities less than 1000
[22:26] <jelly1> dansan: but it sounds cool
[22:26] <trevorman> dansan: if you're doing lots of SMD then you might want to investigate hotplates/toasterovens and using solder paste
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[22:26] <dansan> yeah, it's going to be fun :)
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[22:26] <trevorman> if you can get the paste on properly and the temperature profile correct then it is really quick & easy
[22:27] <dansan> trevorman: for now, it's mostly re-working SMT (basically, hacking existing hardware), but I've worked a pick and place in my youth :)
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[22:27] <Tachyon`> lead free solder is evil, just use something with lead in it so it doesn't eventually crack under thermal stress
[22:28] <dansan> jelly1: Yeah, we've got the precision worked down to about 1/10th of an arc second (at least in theory) That's where structural anomalies in the actual telescope hardware really start pronouncing themselves
[22:28] <dansan> Tachyon` :(
[22:28] <dansan> I would really love to get lead-free, but I don't want to make stuff that's crap either :(
[22:29] <Tachyon`> assuming you're not going to eat the components, solder with lead is perfectly safe -.-
[22:29] * jelly1 wonders what the lead problem is
[22:29] <dansan> well, I kinda do suck on my PCBs a lot, it's a nervious habit I think
[22:30] <dansan> and at night, I sleep walk into school rooms and scratch the chalk boards
[22:30] <dansan> (with my fingernails)
[22:30] <jelly1> O_O
[22:30] <dansan> lol!!
[22:30] <jelly1> right
[22:31] <Tachyon`> calling them blackboards isn't racist, they're black dammit, it's political correctness gone mad -.-
[22:31] <trevorman> Tachyon`: yeah. just good ventilation when soldering and don't eat at the place you're soldering.
[22:31] <dansan> jelly1: just that it creates a toxic product. If you ingest too much of it it can screw you up for life. Also, if kids get a hold of it, they can really be screwed
[22:31] * jelly1 googles for rpi projects
[22:31] <jelly1> dansan: pfft
[22:31] <jelly1> I bet every pcb is made with lead
[22:31] <dansan> jelly1: not anymore
[22:31] <Tachyon`> the ps3 and 360 ones clearly aren't
[22:31] <Tachyon`> that's why I get so many to fix
[22:31] <trevorman> not if you want to sell it in europe
[22:31] * jelly1 has soldered without problems for years
[22:31] <dansan> yeah, europe just went lead free
[22:32] <andreiiar> I logged all your chat. Be aware!!!
[22:32] <dansan> well, actually, I don't know when they did it, I just discovered that they did last week when reading data sheets
[22:32] <Tachyon`> yeah, I'm sure all the additional failed electronics and rare earth elements going into the landfill are /much/ better for the environment than a bit of leaded solder
[22:32] * Tachyon` mumbles
[22:32] <trevorman> dansan: mid 2006
[22:33] <dansan> andreiiar:w00t! I'll finally be a celebrity! thanks! :)
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[22:33] <andreiiar> Let me tell you a joke.
[22:33] <dansan> Tachyon`: LMAO! very funny and interesting point
[22:33] <andreiiar> Two blind man stare at each other.
[22:33] <dansan> HAHAH!!!
[22:33] <Tachyon`> a joke, hrm, david cameron
[22:34] <dansan> Tachyon`: I generally take my electronics to a responsible recycling place. Well, by "responsible", I mean "preportedly responsible"
[22:35] <dansan> Tachyon`: but it's really sick. One day, huge corporations will be fighting over rights to mine in our land-fills
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[22:37] <Tachyon`> yeah, I've often wodnered if something like that might happen
[22:38] <Tachyon`> when the rare earth elements begin to run out (or china cut off the supply)
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[22:38] <Tachyon`> they're trying to mine the /ocean/ now to find an alternative supply
[22:38] <dansan> uugh
[22:38] <dansan> that'll help all those fish out
[22:39] <Tachyon`> well, it's not really fish bu attempting to mine the sea floor risks disturbing sediments that have lain undisturbed for hundreds of millions of years or more, could be anything in there.
[22:39] <dansan> Why don't we just go out to some of the supernovae remnants and gather them fresh there?
[22:40] <dansan> Yeah, I was being sarcatic about contaminating the sea
[22:41] <dansan> hah! give us another 100-200 years and they'll probably be able generate them in a lab
[22:41] <Tachyon`> it will thoguh
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[22:41] <dansan> But BP promises that it can't happen again!
[22:41] <Tachyon`> can generate them now, it's just it takes rather more going in than comes out
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[22:42] <dansan> So essentially, when we solve the free energy problem -- and get that past the oil companies
[22:43] <andreiiar> This doesnt help my Raspberry Pi a bit.
[22:43] <dansan> I remember reading the first experiment where they did m=e/c2
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[22:44] <dansan> They used the same amount of power that the entire US consumes for 1/4 of a second to generate a tiny amount of mater
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[22:44] <MoALTz> ???
[22:44] <dansan> ah, here we go: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/09/970918045841.htm
[22:46] <dansan> That was back in 1997, that sounds about like when I read this story originally
[22:46] <MoALTz> anti-particles are produced too
[22:46] <ShadowJK> rare earths aren't rare
[22:47] <dansan> MoALTz: yeah, that can spoil the batch eh?
[22:47] <dansan> actually, I'm not 100% certain that this is the experiment I read about, but it sounds close
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[22:48] <dividedbyzer0> How goes it?
[22:48] <dansan> hello
[22:49] <dansan> I bet there are loads of rare earths at the core of the earth
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[22:50] <nid0> there are loads of them near the surface all over the planet
[22:50] <dansan> I've heard some speculation that uranium at the center of the earth could be responsible for part of it's heat
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[22:50] <gordonDrogon> evening pi pips!
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[22:50] <dansan> well, more specifically, I speculated that out loud, but I did indeed hear speculation of it, with my own ears!
[22:50] <dansan> Heyyas!
[22:51] <dansan> gordonDrogon: I think I'm finally getting a weller
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[22:51] <dansan> gordonDrogon: I can't find my soldering iron, but I remembered that it's not ESD-safe anyway, so I'm thinking about getting this one: http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WES51-Analog-Soldering-Station/dp/B000BRC2XU/
[22:52] <dansan> The WES51
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> Hm. that's cheap..
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[22:53] <dansan> Yeah, I hope there's not a catch
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[22:53] <gordonDrogon> I've still not decided on my new iron, but the cheapie I bought when mine broke is working well for now.
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[22:53] <dividedbyzer0> Why not a Hakko?
[22:55] <dansan> I've never heard of them
[22:55] <dansan> Oh, has anybody ever used a hot air soldering iron?
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> not yet - but I'm looking at some for SMT work.
[22:55] <dividedbyzer0> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/HAKKO-FX888-23BY-/94-575
[22:56] <dansan> wow, they aren't too expensive
[22:57] <dividedbyzer0> Only $100.
[22:57] <dansan> dividedbyzer0: hmm, that does have a smaller desktop footprint than the one WES51
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> a friend of mine has this: http://labtronix.co.uk/drupal/shop/soldering/898bdplus
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> seems to use a Hakko heating element.
[22:57] <dividedbyzer0> dansan: Quality station for a low price.
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[23:01] <dansan> Anybody know anything about SMD? Here's a hot air & conventional combo for $130 http://www.thelashop.com/smd-solder-station-hot-air-gun-soldering-iron-862d+.html
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[23:02] <dansan> Or will that only be a long trail of regret?
[23:03] <dividedbyzer0> Only way to find out is to try it.
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[23:03] <dividedbyzer0> Unless someone else has experience with it.
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[23:05] <dansan> oh, I feel silly, SMD must stand for "surface mount <something>", that's not the brand :)
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[23:05] <gordonDrogon> the hot-air gun on that is primarily for surface mount devices ...
[23:06] <dansan> oh, "devices"!
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[23:07] <dansan> yeah, I know that hot-air is for surface mount, just didn't know what the D stood for
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[23:08] <SwK> dansan: I have this one http://www.thelashop.com/hot-air-smd-bga-lead-free-rework-solder-desolder-station.html#.UU4nqxkvosc
[23:08] <SwK> saike branded
[23:08] <dansan> SwK: oh cool!
[23:08] <SwK> works ok but if you are really going to do smd work you'll want a board pre-heater
[23:09] <dansan> SwK: Well, it's for re-work of smd
[23:09] <dansan> SwK: how is it?
[23:09] <dividedbyzer0> Gotta go.
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[23:09] <dansan> cya!
[23:09] <dansan> dividedbyzer0: and ty for the help :)
[23:11] <dansan> It's wierd how on thelashop you can't see the brand!
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[23:18] <r0b0ty> noob question: connected to pi via ssh... launch a terminal-based app, great... I shutdown my laptop, and the pi stops the app. Any way to keep the app running after laptop shutdown?
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[23:19] <pksato> r0b0ty: app close due vanish of tty. need some way to keep tty working.
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[23:20] <pksato> have two solution, for non interative, use nohup (nohup some_app)
[23:20] <Blueness|> im a linux noob also but maybe tmux will help?
[23:20] <jelly1> r0b0ty: tmux/screen/detach
[23:20] <pksato> for interatuve, use screen or tmux.
[23:20] <jelly1> Blueness|: it does
[23:20] <chupacabra> r0b0ty, screen
[23:21] <pksato> or, for non iteractive, some_app & (It goes to background)
[23:21] <r0b0ty> Need it to be interactive... I'll look into your suggestions. Thanks a lot!
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[23:25] <r0b0ty> Follow-up, silly question... would screen/tmux/detach be installed in the pi or my laptop?
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[23:26] <chupacabra> on pi
[23:27] <r0b0ty> chupacabra: OK, thanks.
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[23:31] <DM9377> Has any one hooked up a DHT11 temp sensor. I run the sample code and the temperature is not correct. any ideas?
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[23:35] <gordonDrogon> using the adafruit code?
[23:35] <DM9377> yes
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> good luck.
[23:35] <DM9377> lol
[23:35] <DM9377> as i said any suggestions?
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> its using mike mccauleys code - if it were using wiringPi I'd help you.
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[23:36] <DM9377> I have that but I get compiler errors on the delay lines
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[23:36] <gordonDrogon> asI said; good luck.
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> actually, I have one of those sensors. must hook it up one day.
[23:37] <DM9377> I have the wiringPi library
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[23:38] <andrewvos> put the code on gist.github.com?
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[23:39] <DM9377> I am really new to the whole github so not sure how it works, sorry for being a nub
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> actually, it's the rht03 I have. but it's similar.
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[23:44] <DM9377> do you think it requires a pull up resistor? the doc says no but maybe it generates bad readings
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[23:46] <gordonDrogon> I'm actually really annoyed to see adafruit usin that library after I reviewed some of their hardware for them too.
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> oh well. last time I use adafuit stuff.
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[23:48] <DM9377> I'm still learning, Trying to do some small projects around the house and thought this might be a low cost solution. Still figuring out what products are good and what are not
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[23:49] <gordonDrogon> in general, things that need specific bit-timing like these chips are hardware to make work reliabalby on a Pi than devices that use e.g. SPI or I2C.
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[23:51] <DM9377> I heard timing is an issue on the Pi, I might hook it up on the arduino and see if it makes a difference
[23:51] <dansan> gordonDrogon: figured out that the hot air gun was made in china, so I went with the Weller
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> dansan, ok... hope it works ok for you!
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> DM9377, timing is an issue in the Pi, but with care you can make it work for you.
[23:53] <dansan> thanks! I just have more confidence in a known brand anyway. Plus, I don't like how large the US trade deficit is
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> dansan, wouldn't surprise me if the weller is made in .cn though!
[23:53] <dansan> yikes!
[23:53] <dansan> at least it's a "known good"
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[23:54] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, i think my breadboard is too dodgy for this =/
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> dansan, what isn't these days )-: (apart from Pi's made in wales - the components were made in .cn most likely)
[23:54] <aaa801> keep getting different readings on the data lines each time i so much as touch a wire ha
[23:54] <dansan> :(
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, you might need pull-ups/pull-downs.
[23:54] <dansan> ahh, yeah
[23:54] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, its reading data
[23:55] <aaa801> just not the right data
[23:55] <aaa801> this board doesnt 'hold' the jumpers very well
[23:55] <dansan> Hey, what do I need to protect my SPI port from errors? Just a few simple opto-isolators, right? outgoing on the MOSI, SCLK and CS and ingoing on MISO?
[23:56] <dansan> aaa801: are you familiar with Scientology?
[23:56] <dansan> aaa801: The data you're getting is just probably from the ghosts of long-dead aliens -- you have thetons
[23:57] <dansan> err, *thetans
[23:59] <aaa801> D:

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