#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-03-24

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[0:00] <dansan> Seriously though, I missed the details of what you're doing, but if something does require a pull up or down resistor, you can have values float around
[0:02] <dansan> wow, I'm really starting to get dropped a lot from my ISP. It's really hurting my IdleRpg game :(
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[0:04] <dansan> hey, sparkfun makes a hot air rework station too: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10706
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[0:08] <nighty^> uhmmm looks like the magpi website is down ?
[0:09] <DM9377> well it is working perfectly on the arduino, so I guess I need to figure out the timing on the Pi now
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> I'm writing code for my rht03 - it will be similar to your one, but I may go to bed soon.
[0:10] <DM9377> Drogon: i'm interested in what you figure out
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[0:12] <dansan> Oh hey, is anybody here familiar with the Linux kernel's SPI framework? I'm a bit curious about it, but haven't dug into it just yet
[0:13] <dansan> wow, how many emails do you guys get from "webmail helpdesk" telling you that you need to re-activate your account? :)
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> Heh... I'm reading values from my rht03 into the Pi - and they're looking good too.
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> So it looks like I have a generic MaxDetect bus code reader.
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> my sensor returns 5 bytes.
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> dansan, I know enough about the SPI to use it..
[0:15] * gyeben never gets emails from webmail helpdesk telling him that he needs to reactivate his account
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> dansan, I get them from time to time but my spam-checker picks most of them up.
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[0:21] <gordonDrogon> Temp: 21, RH: 43
[0:21] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo :)
[0:22] <DM9377> arrrr! lol
[0:22] * XenGi is now known as XenGi_
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> and the checksum calcs work ok too.
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> those sensors are nice and cheap too - compared to the sht15, etc. ones.
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> probably not as accurate.
[0:23] <DM9377> I pulled down the wiringPi and ran the build so trying different code
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> I took somewhat different approach :)
[0:24] <gordonDrogon> my codes a bit rough, but if you want to see it, I'll put it up.
[0:24] <DM9377> that would be great
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rht03.c
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[0:27] <gordonDrogon> that chip is more like the dht22 in that code. which chip did you have?
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[0:27] <gordonDrogon> ah, dht11.
[0:27] <gordonDrogon> do you'll need to pick out the right bytes.
[0:28] <DM9377> yes, looking at what you have, should be able to work with mine
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[0:29] <gordonDrogon> Ah, looks like the DHT chips are clones of the RHT chips using the RHT protocoll :)
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> so they all have a 40-bit return code.
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> and you just pick out the right bytes.
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> in my code i'm just printing the checksum, not actualy comparing it. and you need to run it with sudo to be effective too.
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> and on that note, I think I'll pop off to bed. I can use that sensor now :)
[0:31] <DM9377> goodnight -thank you for the help
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[0:37] <jbyrd> Been loving Puppy
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[0:48] <craigrich> I just got a pi myself, finding it a bit slow tho, what's the most lightweight o/s i can throw on it?
[0:48] <Pumtrix> Hi
[0:48] <jbyrd> Hey
[0:48] <Pumtrix> I'm trying to set up the hotspot side of my project.
[0:48] <Pumtrix> I followed the tutorial.
[0:48] <craigrich> linux flavour
[0:48] <Pumtrix> but now im getting
[0:48] <Pumtrix> [....] Starting advanced IEEE 802.11 management: hostapdSegmentation fault
[0:48] <Pumtrix> failed!
[0:49] <Pumtrix> what i try and start hostapd.
[0:49] <jbyrd> craig
[0:49] <craigrich> hi jbyrd
[0:49] <jbyrd> Try Berryboot, you can install a bunch of OS on one sd card
[0:49] <jbyrd> and switch between them
[0:50] <jbyrd> I've got Puppy, Raspian, and OpenELEC
[0:50] <craigrich> rly? I'll give it a shot
[0:51] <jbyrd> Saw it on Tekzilla podcast and loved it ever since
[0:51] <pksato> ,
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[1:02] <Scriven> Hrm, anyone else getting gpg signature errors while using apt-get?
[1:02] <Pumtrix> I seem to be fine personally.
[1:03] <Scriven> Just reinstalled rasbian and am getting gpg signature invalid errors now.
[1:03] <ParkerR> Scriven, sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update
[1:03] <andrewvos> Scriven: I was getting 404s. Try an update
[1:03] <pksato> Scriven: some times, need to update debian keyring.
[1:03] <Scriven> haven't updated keyring yet, is that just debian-keyring or is there a rasbian version?
[1:04] <Scriven> ParkerR, It's from a clean re-install, shouldn't need to clean, but will try again.
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[1:04] <pksato> both.
[1:04] <Scriven> pksato, debian-keyring rasbpian-keyring?
[1:04] <pksato> or, install key to/from third part repository.
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[1:06] <Scriven> it amazes me how often an update finds things different. lol
[1:06] <Scriven> been updating all day and it's still finding new packages.
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[1:08] <Scriven> nope, still getting badsig error
[1:09] <jbyrd> Which is better? Raspbian or Puppy?
[1:09] <ParkerR> Raspbian for better support
[1:09] <Scriven> The Error: W: GPG error: http://downloads.raspberrypi.org wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 9165938D90FDDD2E Mike Thompson (Raspberry Pi Debian armhf ARMv6+VFP) <mpthompson@gmail.com>
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[1:11] <Scriven> tried changing repository (was using mirrordirect.raspbian.org, but am not using downloads.raspberrypi.org
[1:11] <Scriven> but both give same error
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[1:13] <Scriven> raspbian-archive-keyring is newest version, debian-keyring not installed
[1:13] <Scriven> apt line: deb http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/raspbian wheezy main
[1:13] <Scriven> and: deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian wheezy main
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[1:13] <Pumtrix> How can you find out the driver name for your wifi adapter to set up the wireless access point?
[1:13] <Pumtrix> lsusb brings up
[1:13] <Pumtrix> 0bda:8176
[1:14] <Pumtrix> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0bda:8176 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188CUS 802.11n WLAN Adapter
[1:14] <Pumtrix> *
[1:14] <Scriven> lsmod
[1:14] <pksato> Pumtrix: update kernel
[1:14] <Scriven> that's the 8192cu IIRC, same one I'm using it looks like.
[1:15] <Pumtrix> yeah but atm
[1:15] <Pumtrix> root@nixtrixpi:~# iw list
[1:15] <Pumtrix> nl80211 not found.
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[1:15] <Pumtrix> i swear thats got something to do with the access point configs i've just changed.
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[1:16] <Scriven> Pumtrix, did you lsmod to be sure the module's loaded?
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[1:17] <Pumtrix> What am I looking for on lsmod?
[1:17] <Scriven> 8192 I think, I can double- check in a second.
[1:17] <Scriven> trying another update and haven't run screen yet.
[1:17] <Pumtrix> http://puu.sh/2mMZ2
[1:17] <Pumtrix> here is what i get.
[1:17] <Pumtrix> brb
[1:18] <Scriven> 8192cu
[1:18] <Scriven> 8192cu is loaded, that should be the correct module.
[1:18] <Scriven> have you done iwlist scan?
[1:19] <Scriven> Hrm... changed the apt/sources back to mirrordirector, and the error went away. lol!
[1:19] <Scriven> only reason why I changed it was b/c of the error... frustrating.
[1:19] <MrKeuner> hello, I am following https://github.com/hexxeh/rpi-update to install rpi-update. Installation seem to went fine, but sudo rpi-update is failing: http://pastebin.com/HL2eLQBn
[1:19] <MrKeuner> any help?
[1:21] <Scriven> Never tried that procedure before, but the error is a timeout
[1:21] <Scriven> that url of github.com seems to be down.
[1:22] <Scriven> hrm, or not, got 403 forbidden myself.
[1:22] <andrewvos> Scriven: github is under ddos
[1:22] <Scriven> ah, MrKeuner, what andrewvos said.
[1:22] <MrKeuner> all right, thanks I'll try later
[1:22] <Scriven> the site that script is trying to access is currently being pounded.
[1:22] <Scriven> thanks andrewvos
[1:23] <andrewvos> status.github.com
[1:23] <andrewvos> pleasure Scriven
[1:23] <andrewvos> I like this channel, might just hang around :)
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[1:26] <Scriven> It's generally pretty good. Some growing pains I'd say, but that's to be expected I suppose.
[1:26] <Scriven> Lots of lurking of course. ;)
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[1:28] <andrewvos> Scriven: I will try to remember you, you seem cool. Anyway nightnight
[1:29] <Scriven> night andrewvos! :)
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[1:32] <KiltedPi> How much length do you need from a thermocouple wire/
[1:32] <KiltedPi> ?
[1:32] <KiltedPi> Anyone have any idea?
[1:33] <KiltedPi> I've a big massive coil of this stuff!
[1:33] <KiltedPi> And an Integrated circuit to solder it too-
[1:33] <pksato> short.
[1:33] <KiltedPi> short?
[1:33] <KiltedPi> An inch connected to the sensor?
[1:33] <KiltedPi> Crikey, they sent way too much wire, heh
[1:34] <na85> there's no hard and fast rule of thumb for things like that, I would imagine it depends on your required sensitivity
[1:34] <pksato> but, thermocouple come with proper cable.
[1:35] <pksato> just, screw it to you module.
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[1:41] <jkbbwr> Guys
[1:41] <jkbbwr> could the rpi have a problem reading stdin
[1:41] <jkbbwr> from a HID device
[1:41] <jkbbwr> because everything in my house reads the HID fine
[1:41] <jkbbwr> but on the pi it reads badly
[1:41] <jkbbwr> missing bytes n shit
[1:43] <aaa801> usb bus on the pi is terrible jkbbwr
[1:43] <aaa801> it has hissy fits with certian keyboards etc
[1:43] <aaa801> 'sticky' keys :P
[1:44] <jkbbwr> aaa801: Any idea how to fix :'(
[1:44] <aaa801> fix the kernel handling of the usb shizzle ;P
[1:44] <Pumtrix> Scriven yeah iwlist scan brings up networks.
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[1:45] <Pumtrix> but when i type iw list
[1:45] <Pumtrix> it just brings up that not found
[1:45] <Pumtrix> so is the adapter working then?
[1:46] <jkbbwr> aaa801: :'( really?
[1:46] <aaa801> yep
[1:46] <jkbbwr> aaa801: do you think arch might handle usb better?
[1:46] <jkbbwr> or am i totally screwed
[1:46] <aaa801> its actualy a kernel issue
[1:46] <aaa801> same kernel
[1:46] <aaa801> it behaves better on some devices
[1:46] <aaa801> tbh i think the chip wasnt means tested :P
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[1:47] <jkbbwr> aaa801: so i have to learn how to fix kernel drivers for usb input :'(
[1:47] <Scriven> Have you read this one Pumtrix http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=16849
[1:47] <jkbbwr> this is a major set back
[1:47] <Scriven> seems to be a discussion about a similar problem w/ the same card.
[1:47] <jkbbwr> im meant to be deploying in a few months
[1:47] <Scriven> jkbbwr, maybe a different keyboard?
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[1:47] <Scriven> just guessing tho.
[1:47] <jkbbwr> Scriven: its a HID mag strip scanner
[1:48] <Scriven> ah... bummer.
[1:48] <aaa801> aha
[1:48] <jkbbwr> yea
[1:48] * jbyrd is now known as payroll
[1:48] <jkbbwr> im kinda screwed if I don't get this product deployed on time
[1:48] <aaa801> do me a favor, connect it to the pc your irc is on and scan your card through :P
[1:49] <aaa801> bash.org all the things haha, jkbbwr guessign you have the pi with 2 usb ports?
[1:49] <jkbbwr> aaa801: two ports, yea
[1:49] <jkbbwr> and want a scan?
[1:49] <jkbbwr> ;000677724?
[1:49] <aaa801> it will prob be less of a issue on the model A
[1:49] <jkbbwr> there you go
[1:49] <aaa801> as the usb is directly hooked to the gpu chip
[1:49] <aaa801> and doesnt have the stupid hub chip
[1:49] <jkbbwr> whens the A due out??
[1:49] <aaa801> ist already out i think
[1:50] <aaa801> it has no ethernet tho
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[1:50] <jkbbwr> eth0 is a requirement :'(
[1:50] <geordie> jkbbwr: it's available in europe
[1:50] <trevorman> model A is 256MB only as well
[1:51] <jkbbwr> trevorman: that shouldn't be a problem, i mean all it does is POST requests via https
[1:51] <aaa801> sounds like hes just using it as a entry system or something
[1:51] <jkbbwr> aaa801: kinda
[1:51] <trevorman> does your RPi have the USB port fuses?
[1:51] <jkbbwr> trevorman: not sure
[1:51] <trevorman> if so, what is the current draw on your HID device?
[1:52] <jkbbwr> again nto sure its chinese
[1:52] <trevorman> the fuses are next to the LEDs on the RPi
[1:52] <jkbbwr> trevorman: one moment
[1:53] <Scriven> wow, not my wifi's not scanning. *sigh*
[1:53] <jkbbwr> it looks like it has the fueses
[1:53] <trevorman> jkbbwr: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/RaspberryPi.jpg they're green things next to the LEDs. one either side of that black cap
[1:53] <Scriven> I'm not gona play this game right now.
[1:53] <jkbbwr> yea Its got those
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[1:53] <trevorman> jkbbwr: you got a powered hub handy?
[1:54] <jkbbwr> i don;t think so :s
[1:54] <aaa801> shouldnt realy be a power issue with a mag strip scanner =/, unless he has one of those super power hungry pi's
[1:54] <trevorman> idk. its possible. you updated to the latest bootloader/kernel/raspbian?
[1:55] <jkbbwr> trevorman: The image was dragged down this morning so i assume so
[1:55] <aaa801> na those images are usauly out of date
[1:55] <jkbbwr> aaa801: bugger
[1:55] <aaa801> you got raspbian ?
[1:55] <jkbbwr> wheezy I think
[1:55] <KiltedPi> back!
[1:55] <aaa801> ok run sudo rpi-update
[1:55] <aaa801> then sudo apt-get update
[1:55] * KiltedPi scrolls up
[1:55] <jkbbwr> debian6-19-04-2012
[1:55] <aaa801> sudo apt-get upgrade
[1:55] <aaa801> debian!?
[1:55] <aaa801> bad
[1:55] <aaa801> BAD
[1:56] <jkbbwr> :s
[1:56] <aaa801> Grab the raspbian image :)
[1:56] <jkbbwr> Ok!
[1:56] <jkbbwr> Maky!
[1:56] <jkbbwr> just checking
[1:56] <jkbbwr> does rasbian come ssh and dhcp turned on by default?
[1:56] <aaa801> debian is atleast 5 months out of date
[1:56] <aaa801> lol
[1:56] <trevorman> yeah
[1:56] <jkbbwr> cool
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[1:56] <trevorman> its usable with nothing plugged in except network and power
[1:57] <KiltedPi> raspbian is just debian wheezy too
[1:57] <trevorman> older versions didn't have SSH enabled
[1:57] <aaa801> you can run rpi-config over ssh on first run anyway
[1:57] <jkbbwr> Right im pulling the latest image let me build the image
[1:57] <aaa801> oky
[1:57] <KiltedPi> pksato, okay to PM you a quick question or two?
[1:57] <pksato> no
[1:58] <KiltedPi> :(
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[1:58] <KiltedPi> Thats okay
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[1:58] <aaa801> jkbbwr, grab this too https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[1:58] <KiltedPi> I'll google my way outta this one!
[1:58] <Tenkawa> anyone running gcc 4.8 on your pi yet?
[1:58] <aaa801> thatl get you the latest kernel etc
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[1:58] <KiltedPi> I've copper and constantan to solder!
[1:58] <jkbbwr> aaa801: what?
[1:58] <aaa801> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[1:58] <jkbbwr> aaa801: run that on the pi once im installed?
[1:58] <aaa801> aye
[1:59] <jkbbwr> Mkay
[1:59] <jkbbwr> just flashing the sd now
[1:59] <aaa801> ye it grabs the latest kernel and modules etc
[1:59] <jkbbwr> aaa801: im going to tear out all the xserver stuff
[1:59] <jkbbwr> does that matter?
[1:59] <aaa801> na it shouldnt
[1:59] <jkbbwr> Swhet
[1:59] <aaa801> i hardly use X anyway
[1:59] <aaa801> too dam slow on pi
[1:59] <aaa801> dispmanx sdl man.. the speed :P
[2:00] <jkbbwr> aaa801: its an embedded server I wanna save some space :P
[2:00] <aaa801> aha
[2:00] <jkbbwr> 4 minutes till the image is downloaded
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[2:00] <jkbbwr> aaa801: care to add to my list of things im removing?
[2:00] <jkbbwr> :P
[2:01] <aaa801> chmod -x chmod
[2:01] <aaa801> :P?
[2:01] <Tenkawa> which base distribution you using?
[2:01] <aaa801> do not run that command newbies, you will have a bad time
[2:01] <andreiiar> Guise I have a problem.
[2:01] <jkbbwr> aaa801: I once rebuilt a machine using only cat and ssh
[2:01] <jkbbwr> aaa801: >.>
[2:01] <aaa801> D:
[2:01] <aaa801> why :P?
[2:02] <jkbbwr> aaa801: someone rm -rf /* 'd me
[2:02] <jkbbwr> I ctrl c'd it half way through /bin
[2:02] <Tenkawa> ouch
[2:02] <aaa801> >_>
[2:02] <jkbbwr> I am a ninja
[2:02] <andreiiar> Like couple of months ago I hooked up with this girl. And then she started to grow cold on me.
[2:02] <aaa801> security breached ?
[2:02] <nibelheim> Someone already used the raspberry pi as an IRCd?
[2:02] <aaa801> or just a random newb
[2:02] <jkbbwr> aaa801: pratical joke
[2:02] <Tenkawa> busybox can be nice for that
[2:02] <jkbbwr> xserver* x11-common x11-utils x11-xkb-utils x11-xserver-utils xarchiver xauth xkb-data console-setup xinit lightdm libx{composite,cb,cursor,damage,dmcp,ext,font,ft,i,inerama,kbfile,klavier,mu,pm,randr,render,res,t,xf86}* lxde* lx{input,menu-data,panel,polkit,randr,session,session-edit,shortcut,task,terminal} obconf openbox gtk* libgtk* alsa* nano python-pygame python-tk python3-tk scratch tsconf xdg-tools desktop-file-utils
[2:02] <jkbbwr> thats my list btw
[2:02] <jkbbwr> if you can think of anything to add to it
[2:02] <aaa801> i would of jokenily smacked them in the family jewls
[2:03] <jkbbwr> aaa801: haha
[2:03] <Tenkawa> nibelheim: i would assume so... probably low client count though
[2:03] <andreiiar> OK
[2:03] <Tenkawa> nibelheim: can't see why it wouldnt work
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[2:03] * aaa801 stares at andreiiar
[2:03] <aaa801> what ya want boy :P
[2:04] <andreiiar> That is offensive. I am black
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[2:04] <nibelheim> Tenkawa: I'm too. But I saw some forums dicussing about the stability vs maximum users connected. Sorry my English =)
[2:04] <aaa801> -.-
[2:04] <andreiiar> Of anger ^^^
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[2:04] <andreiiar> =))
[2:04] <aaa801> -_-
[2:04] <andreiiar> Got ya
[2:05] <andreiiar> aaa801 0 - 1 andreiiar
[2:05] <Tenkawa> nibelheim: that would be my concern too. how many users before it becomes too much overhead
[2:05] <jkbbwr> Tenkawa: optimise with erlang!
[2:05] <Tenkawa> not sure of any numbers myself
[2:05] <Tenkawa> jkbbwr: context?
[2:06] <aaa801> (?????_??)??? ?????????
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[2:06] <andreiiar> Ok. So I go to this stupid concert but this girl is stoned to hell and who knows what that joint had in it
[2:06] <aaa801> ye
[2:06] <aaa801> anddd ?
[2:06] <andreiiar> And could not talk to her about what happend between us
[2:06] <andreiiar> Shall I meet her again or not?
[2:06] <nibelheim> Tenkawa: On one of these forums, an user say: Up to 20 connections is stable, more... the IRCd crashes.
[2:07] <andreiiar> I say it was just drugs talking
[2:07] <aaa801> You come to a rpi channel for relationship advice
[2:07] <aaa801> ._. ?
[2:07] <andreiiar> It's the only one I had open
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[2:07] <andreiiar> This one and #pwnieexpress
[2:07] <aaa801> wait til shes not high :)
[2:07] <Tenkawa> nibelheim: did they analyze the crash core to see "why" it crashed though?
[2:07] * aaa801 realy needs to go to sleep
[2:08] <andreiiar> I really need to have some intercorse
[2:08] <aaa801> ReggieUK, will slap you in a min, family channel :P
[2:08] <andreiiar> Also. Install Kali Linux on my Berry
[2:08] <andreiiar> So I can't say intercourse?
[2:08] <nibelheim> Tenkawa: I'll buy one raspberry now, I don't have one yet. Which is the better? The B with 512Mb?
[2:09] <aaa801> they get annoyed when i say 'dam'
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[2:09] <Tenkawa> nibelheim: thats the only one I've used
[2:09] <Tenkawa> i have two of them
[2:09] <andreiiar> When I was in high school I found a book in library where it told you how to teach sex at diffrrent ages.
[2:09] <aaa801> dudeeee
[2:09] <aaa801> STAHP
[2:10] <andreiiar> First it was that sprung out of nowere
[2:10] <andreiiar> Like 3-5 years
[2:10] <andreiiar> Then interconnecting objects between parents
[2:10] <nibelheim> Tenkawa: I'll buy 2 too... One to be a IRCd Server and other to be a Game Server, that a RPG that I'll develop in XNA Studio 4.
[2:10] <andreiiar> Then vagina and penis
[2:10] <aaa801> Sigh.
[2:10] <jkbbwr> andreiiar: dude. shut up
[2:11] <aaa801> ^^
[2:11] <Tenkawa> nibelheim: good luck
[2:11] <aaa801> i think it wasn't only the girl that got high jkbbwr
[2:11] <nibelheim> :)
[2:11] <aaa801> :D
[2:11] <andreiiar> I dont like high
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[2:12] <andreiiar> And sorry if I offended anybody
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[2:12] <andreiiar> Sometimes is easyer to talk in irc
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[2:12] <andreiiar> Just as you talk to a bartedenr
[2:12] <andreiiar> Or a local gipsy
[2:12] <jkbbwr> andreiiar: not in a bloody raspberry pi channel at 1am
[2:13] <andreiiar> You know your truths doesent get out but you get some advice
[2:13] <jkbbwr> andreiiar: unless someone starts tracing your connection
[2:13] * jkbbwr turns on his haxor tools
[2:13] <andreiiar> I have firewall fool
[2:13] <jkbbwr> andreiiar: lol and?
[2:13] <andreiiar> It BURNS~~
[2:14] <andreiiar> x
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[2:19] <jkbbwr> aaa801: ill be back later
[2:20] <Pumtrix> if I upgrade the kernel will it reinstall all the default networking files/
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[2:38] <andreiiar> WHAT>>>>?
[2:39] <Pumtrix> ?
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[2:39] <Pumtrix> I was trying to set up an acess point on my pi, but i've made some changes and the adapater is no longer responsive. I didn't back up either >.<
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[2:40] <KiltedPi> Unlucky Pumtrix!
[2:40] <Pumtrix> I know.
[2:40] <KiltedPi> My fellow mad scientists- I have soldered my thermocouple, and got the correct pins assigned on the GPIO!
[2:40] <KiltedPi> Now begins the software bit!
[2:41] <Pumtrix> All in the sake of a bit of fun in development eh
[2:41] <KiltedPi> you going from a tutorial pumtrix?
[2:41] <KiltedPi> Whats the benefit of adding a wireless access point tho?
[2:42] <Pumtrix> Basically I'm trying to create a 4g hotspot.
[2:42] <Pumtrix> so it uses a 4g adapater and then relays it over the access point.
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[2:43] <Pumtrix> Am I going to have to reinstall the whole OS?
[2:43] <Pumtrix> >.<
[2:43] <KiltedPi> I don't do mobile phones :)
[2:44] <Pumtrix> yeah it's just a little project.
[2:44] <KiltedPi> dunno- what do you mean the adaptor is no longer responsive I suppose?
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[2:45] <Pumtrix> the adapater shows up is lsusb
[2:45] <Pumtrix> but it doesnt create a wlan0
[2:45] <Pumtrix> i was messing around with drivers before.
[2:45] <Pumtrix> ;x
[2:46] <KiltedPi> No windows rollback muhaha
[2:46] <KiltedPi> :/
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[2:48] <andreiiar> AHAHAAHA =))))
[2:49] <Pumtrix> hahahahah
[2:49] <Pumtrix> ikr.
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[2:57] <Pumtrix> If a driver comes preloaded on the raspberry image is there a way to redownload it and install it?
[2:58] <Pumtrix> via apt-get or something?
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[3:15] <flufmnstr> Pumtrix: im no expert, but you should be able to mount the raspbian image(probably in another computer) and grab the driver module out of it. or google up somewhere online to get it with wget.
[3:17] <Pumtrix> i've just gone for the fresh install option
[3:17] <Pumtrix> im not losing much anyway
[3:17] <Pumtrix> since it's only dev i'll remember to back up next time.
[3:17] <Pumtrix> ;-)
[3:18] <flufmnstr> also, as an avid tinker-er, i recommend making a /backup folder to cp things into before futzing with them ;)
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[3:19] <Pumtrix> oh ahaha defo!
[3:19] <flufmnstr> ive mess up quite a few configs before i got into that habbit. lol
[3:21] <Pumtrix> yeah.
[3:27] <[Saint]> it's way over the top, but you could just use a versioning system like git and commit changes so you can roll back to them.
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[3:40] <fr0g911> well i had 437 users connect to the pic via unrealircd was working fine now it just crashs for no reason
[3:41] <KiltedPi> How do you install this wiringpi business of gordons?
[3:42] <KiltedPi> I don't have the gpio thing
[3:42] <KiltedPi> urgh
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[3:56] <Pumtrix> gotta love linux reinstalls.
[3:56] <Pumtrix> they take secondsa
[3:56] <Pumtrix> ahah
[3:56] <Pumtrix> fr0g911
[3:57] <Pumtrix> Does the Pi die?
[3:57] <Pumtrix> or unrealircd just crash?
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[4:00] <knoppies> fr0g911, do you know what kind of throughput the pic was putting up with at the time?
[4:00] <Twist-> So I can stream audio or video from my ipad to raspbmc, but apparently not from itunes on the mac. Has anyone else run into this?
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[4:05] <fr0g911> unreal just crashed
[4:05] <fr0g911> i looked over the log file and didnt say anything
[4:05] <fr0g911> but i noticed afew things that seemed weird
[4:05] <fr0g911> TimeSync: WARNING: Was unable to send message to server #0...
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[4:08] <fr0g911> not sure about pic didnt look
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[4:09] <Pumtrix> See, unrealircd can become quite resource hogging the more users you have.
[4:09] <Twist-> huh. seems to be format related.
[4:10] <Pumtrix> Where you running it with ziplinks ssl? etc?
[4:10] <fr0g911> none
[4:10] <fr0g911> without both
[4:10] <fr0g911> running it on arch
[4:11] <fr0g911> im thinking it might have something todo with services on the other pi
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[4:13] <Pumtrix> What's the errors your seeing IRCd side?
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[4:14] <Pumtrix> I doubt unreal would have issues on the pi, I was thinking about running one myself.
[4:14] <Pumtrix> ahah
[4:14] <fr0g911> i dont see any besides like time sync problems
[4:14] <fr0g911> well wait
[4:15] <fr0g911> unreal doesnt crash
[4:15] <fr0g911> it stops listening on port 6667
[4:15] <fr0g911> like it just drops the connecting
[4:15] <fr0g911> but i can ssh into it and such
[4:20] <fr0g911> ohwell im gonna leave it up tonight see if it crashs
[4:20] <fr0g911> see yall later
[4:20] <Pumtrix> See ya later.
[4:20] <Pumtrix> I'll be here tomorrow, I've got a fair bit experience with unreal.
[4:20] <Pumtrix> so give me a shout.
[4:20] <fr0g911> kewl i had alot but that was 10 years ago
[4:21] <Pumtrix> aha
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[5:15] <jkbbwr> Is there anything useful in /opt
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[5:18] <nsgn> goodeve. maybe a silly question but..why do all the guides out there i see seem to always compile the kerenl for a pi using another (non pi) linux box? i don't have one handy and i need to compile something into the kernel
[5:18] <nsgn> *kernel
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[5:24] <Twist-> nsgn: because the Pi is made of slow.
[5:24] <nsgn> ha
[5:24] <nsgn> i'm trying to compile in support for my displaylink usb vga adapter. amazingly i find people have this thing working
[5:24] <nsgn> although considering how slow the pi is i'm somewhat afraid of the overhead it will bring. guess i'll find out
[5:25] <Twist-> nsgn: I've got one of those adapters. I never considered using it with the pi.
[5:25] <Twist-> the pi can't even handle its own video smoothy
[5:25] <Twist-> smoothly
[5:25] <nsgn> i didn't until tonight...when i dusted off my pi and realized my only HDMI to DVI adapter is at a friend's house an hour away and none of my monitors have HDMI :)
[5:25] <nsgn> so if i wanna play pi for a bit, it's gotta be this way. makes for experience trying to fool with it anyway
[5:26] <nsgn> although its kindof looking like i'm going to spend longer on the kernel than driving an hour...but i guess i'll leave it while i sleep
[5:27] <nsgn> i doubt i'd purposely buy a displaylink adapter for a pi, but i have several sitting around and a few Pis sitting around and a crapload of VGA only monitors...so knowing how to do this may come in handy for projects that dont need high capability display output. just static graphics or something
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[5:40] <Twist-> I guess.. what comes immediately to mind there is that a Pi is cheaper than a displaylink adapter
[5:42] <Blueness|> lol
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[5:55] <nsgn> Twist-, that is amusingly true. but hey, gotta use what i've got on hand :)
[5:55] <nsgn> compiling now. we'll see if these suckers work
[5:55] <nsgn> the ones i have are pretty cool. both DVI and VGA. it will add a nice trick to my pi's bag
[5:59] <flufmnstr> or ssh into the pi, run a vnc server and vnc into it from another box
[5:59] <FergyA> do any of you happen to know anything about memory split settings on arch linux? does the dynamic split still work or do I need to do a manual one?
[6:00] <flufmnstr> *if you really need the graphic desktop that is
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[6:00] <FergyA> im only using my pi over ssh, so having memory allocated to gpu is kinda pointless
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[6:10] <[Saint]> FergyA: Arch does all the splitting itself by default, so, unless you changed it the minimum will be allocated to GPU.
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[6:10] <FergyA> glad to hear, thanks
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[6:11] <enque> hello
[6:12] <enque> anyone have irc w/ gui set up on a raspberry pi?
[6:13] <[Saint]> I run quassel client on mine, so, yes.
[6:13] <enque> any tips ?
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[6:15] <[Saint]> enque: can you be more specific please?
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[6:16] <[Saint]> IRC is a protocol, not an application, there are many different clients, and many different ways of connecting to them.
[6:16] <enque> yes, i meant irc client
[6:16] <[Saint]> well, which?
[6:17] <[Saint]> Do you want me to give you tips on all of them? :)
[6:17] <enque> idc. quarrel since you say it works
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[6:18] <enque> i am new to linux. so if you could share any tricks to get it working that would be great
[6:18] <[Saint]> Well, assuming you're using raspbian, all you need to do is "sudo apt-get install quassel", then follow the setup prompts on application start.
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[6:18] <[Saint]> there's no tricks to getting it working, it isn't magic. Add a server, add channels to said server, and boom - done.
[6:19] <enque> sounds good
[6:19] <enque> i am looking for an always on irc rig. same deal for you, or do you use it for something else?
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[6:20] <[Saint]> Yes, but, I use a client/core setup - which is slightly different. The quassel client runs on an "always on" machine, and the client(s) run on the pi.
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[6:21] <[Saint]> You could achieve the same thing on the pi with the monolithic quassel client, which I directed you to earlier.
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[6:21] <enque> i appreciate it
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[6:23] <enque> i was looking around and everyone was pointing to irssi, which i really didn't want to use
[6:24] <enque> thanks again
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[6:27] <[Saint]> irssi isn't really suited to someone that wants a GUI client.
[6:27] <[Saint]> Or, that wants to use IRC without 17 years of fiddling with the commandline getting it set up right.
[6:28] <enque> exactly
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[6:29] <enque> do you see any lag in your setup?
[6:29] <SpeedEvil> quasselclient is too heavy for the pi
[6:30] <SpeedEvil> it takes most of a second or more to change channels
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[6:30] <SpeedEvil> core works well
[6:30] * [Saint] definitely doesn't have that issue here.
[6:31] <SpeedEvil> how many channels do you have?
[6:31] <[Saint]> 40+, ON 4 SERVERS.
[6:31] <[Saint]> damits, caps.
[6:32] <SpeedEvil> with the client on pi?
[6:32] <[Saint]> Yes.
[6:32] <SpeedEvil> version?
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[6:33] <SpeedEvil> hmm. thanks.
[6:35] <enque> what is the difference between core and client
[6:35] <enque> oops, i can read
[6:35] <enque> nevermind
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[7:17] <nsgn> ohhh my goodness gracious it takes a long time to compile the kernel on pi
[7:17] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, that's why cross-compiling a kernel is pretty straight forward
[7:17] <Zhaofeng_Li> nsgn, yeah, pi isn't a fast machine... cross-complie it on your pc ;)
[7:18] <nsgn> dont have a linux pc standing by atm
[7:18] <ShiftPlusOne> virtualbox
[7:18] <nsgn> although i could have built one faster...
[7:18] <nsgn> :D
[7:20] <[Saint]> wubi, virtualbox, liveCD/USB, <possibly_other_emamples>, etc. :)
[7:20] <[Saint]> *examples too
[7:22] <[Saint]> even if you take the poor wee thing right up to 1.3GHz, compiling a kernel still takes f'in forever.
[7:23] * [Saint] does not recommend OCing that high
[7:23] <[Saint]> ...I've already released the genie from one pie trying it :)
[7:23] <[Saint]> pi, too, bah.
[7:25] <nsgn> awh, poor pi
[7:26] <nsgn> what do you guys do with your PIs? i own two and have yet to have actually done anything real with them. they've just been the occasional toy. it has the right combination of hardware to do plenty of real stuff i just havent found the right thing yet
[7:26] <[Saint]> It dies a nobel death.
[7:26] <[Saint]> *died...geez.
[7:27] <nsgn> i'm a big home automation/gadget guy, so i'm trying to find ways to work them into that
[7:27] <nsgn> i'm trying to use one as a heads up display for my CCTV system. wrote my own custom python webcam viewer that works great with my setup...except the PI struggles to run it at decent speed
[7:28] <nsgn> made some improvements to optimize but still not where it needs to be
[7:28] <[Saint]> I use one of them as a media center, I use one of them to give my server a poke when it stops responding (remote reset/power), I have one built into a terrifying looking touchscrren tablet thing I call a Piblet.
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[7:28] <nsgn> i'd looove to use one on a TV as a media center but i use cablecard, which of course has DRM that you can't do on non-microsoft stuff :/
[7:29] <nsgn> hmm..dang. that's a great idea to use one with a relay to turn off/on equipment
[7:29] <nsgn> on one hand its a stupidly easy job for it, on the other hand its hard to find something cheaper with an ethernet port, full scripting capability, and GPIO
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[7:38] <nsgn> [Saint], i'm kindof afraid to see what the piblet looks like. i also wonder what the use of such would be
[7:38] <nsgn> it seems it would be handily blown away by even the cheapest $50 on ebay android tablets?
[7:41] <[Saint]> Awww - I thought I had some pics, but apparently I left the camera <somewhere>.
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[7:42] <[Saint]> It is basically, well...no, it is *exactly* this ( http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/~/product/category=3094861&id=14647624 ) with a raspberrypi and a 5 port USB hus velcro'd to the back of it.
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[7:42] <[Saint]> s/hus/buh/
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[7:42] * [Saint] shoots himself
[7:42] <[Saint]> *hub! HUB!
[7:43] <[Saint]> the power supply for the screen powers the pi in turn via USB, so there's no fiddling with multiple power cables.
[7:44] <[Saint]> and, yes, most cheap tablets will both blow it out of the water *and* have a current-ish Android port - but, meh.
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[7:45] <flufmnstr> they also dont have GPIOs
[7:45] <flufmnstr> and standard USB ports
[7:45] <[Saint]> Well, in all fairness, neither does the piblet.
[7:46] <[Saint]> the screen consumes them all.
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[7:47] <[Saint]> bah - no, sorry - I'm thinking of my other failed touchscreen kludge.
[7:49] <nsgn> [Saint], well that's kindof a cool display
[7:50] <[Saint]> expensive, but, the "just works" factor was worth it.
[7:50] <[Saint]> no messing around with anything, plug and go.
[7:50] <nsgn> could do some cool stuff on that. i'm picturing things other than the PI strapped to it, though. an apple tv or even a mac mini would make it a dang powerful on/in wall display
[7:52] <A124> nsgn: http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135235611947
[7:52] <A124> http://apc.io/
[7:52] <A124> http://cubieboard.org/
[7:52] <nsgn> oh yeah i've seen there are tons of others
[7:52] * [Saint] has an X2 and a U2
[7:53] <nsgn> but at that point you're not too far off from using something much more standard/capable
[7:53] <A124> [Saint]: Will you share experiances?
[7:53] <A124> nsgn: Standard / Capable?
[7:53] <A124> What is your point?
[7:53] <A124> Another greedy one?
[7:53] <nsgn> an appleTV is pretty hackable, and once you get much over 200 you can go to some kind of small x86 board.
[7:53] <[Saint]> I really haven't poked at either very much, other than "CM works awesomely, save for the fact I couldn't get BT to work".
[7:53] <A124> Quadcore 1.7 is not enough?
[7:54] <A124> Yes. That will eat 10x mores
[7:54] <nsgn> not bashing those, i just think the pi is more unique in the market despite its low processing power because its price point is so crazy good
[7:54] <A124> *more without GPIO etcx
[7:54] <A124> Unique?
[7:54] <A124> Like Cubieboard does not look the same?
[7:54] * [Saint] thinks the pi is anything but unique
[7:54] <A124> Just better, with +30-50% price
[7:54] <[Saint]> in fact, they were late to the game.
[7:55] <[Saint]> its just...cheap.
[7:55] <A124> False
[7:55] <A124> Oh Pi
[7:55] <A124> True
[7:55] <nsgn> it is unique because of its price. it is nothing groundbreaking or new in capability
[7:55] <A124> nsgn: If proce is your concern, that get out and make that money?
[7:55] <asaru> anybody know what would cause poor write speed of an usb 2.0 drive using ntfs, besides the noatime thing i've been reading about
[7:55] <nsgn> ?
[7:56] <asaru> its a self powered seagate drive, and its the only usb device attached to the pi
[7:56] * A124 *shighs* More and more people are only on the price side. They don't get what the boards are for even.
[7:56] <A124> asaru: NAS?
[7:56] <nsgn> yet price is the enabling factor for what they are for
[7:56] <asaru> no its just seagate 1.5tb usb drive
[7:56] <A124> Yes
[7:56] <A124> But you save data over ethernet?
[7:56] <nsgn> education and deployment into lots of little/odd projects depends upon the price
[7:57] <[Saint]> nsgn: thats mostly because people think "wow, cheap computer!" I think.
[7:57] <asaru> well i am seeing the poor write performance no matter where data is coming from
[7:57] <[Saint]> They get disappointed when they discover the sometimes crippling limitations.
[7:57] <A124> Then it's a) Expensive processing of NTFS, b) sharing USB bus ethernet with disk
[7:57] <asaru> but mostly yes, i am transferring data to it via proftpd
[7:57] <A124> Just don't use NTFS
[7:57] <nsgn> maybe so. i saw it as "wow, at that price i can actually put these places i wouldn't really otherwise bother to perhaps put network/linux capabilities
[7:57] <asaru> while i agree, dont use ntfs, i wish that were an option at this point
[7:58] <nsgn> and most of those places wouldn't particularly care the power was so poor
[7:58] <asaru> and i have no physical access to the pi or the disk right now
[7:59] <nsgn> but with that i've gotta sleep. thx for the chat. night all
[7:59] <asaru> i dont understand what you mean by expensive processing of ntfs
[7:59] <A124> Sweet dreams about cheap boards for nonsense uses.
[8:00] <A124> asaru: CPU time
[8:00] <asaru> seems like it shouldnt affect it that much
[8:00] <A124> Said your mom?
[8:00] <asaru> when i say slow write speeds i mean like 20k/s max
[8:00] <nsgn> a124 not really grasping the poor attitude over a cool little product in its home channel, but alright. night
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[8:00] <[Saint]> hey - hey - no need to get personal.
[8:00] <A124> Then it's low anyway. IDk about NTFS on ARM
[8:01] * ChanServ sets mode +o ShiftPlusOne
[8:01] <[Saint]> lets leave peoples mothers out of our largely irrelevant debates shall we? :)
[8:01] * A124 was kicked from #raspberrypi by ShiftPlusOne
[8:01] <[Saint]> unless debating their mother specifically.
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[8:02] <A124> Hm, I better shut the f up to not be interpreted as abusive.
[8:03] <[Saint]> Abusive? No. Uncalled for? Totally.
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[8:03] <asaru> oh brmp
[8:03] <asaru> well see now it seems to be operating properly
[8:04] * [Saint] parse-fails on brmp
[8:04] <[Saint]> Blue Ridge Motion Pictures? :)
[8:04] * ChanServ sets mode -o ShiftPlusOne
[8:04] <asaru> lol
[8:04] <asaru> its an expression, probably limited to my local region
[8:04] <[Saint]> Ballistic Ring Profile Monitor?
[8:04] <asaru> like an expression of dismay
[8:04] <[Saint]> Google tells me nothing, NOTHING!
[8:05] <asaru> yeah i could see that
[8:05] <asaru> i still dont understand why this drive is acting this way
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[8:09] <asaru> well i guess we'll see how long this lasts.. maybe i fixed it (dunno how though) lol
[8:10] <[Saint]> if it is NTFS related, it likely involved voodoo.
[8:10] <asaru> it is
[8:10] <asaru> well see
[8:10] <asaru> the only thing i changed was i added it to fstab
[8:10] <asaru> with defaults,noatime
[8:11] <asaru> i read that noatime would speed up ntfs drives
[8:11] <asaru> but i was sure it was already set that way
[8:11] * [Saint] prefers relatime
[8:11] <[Saint]> it doesn't break things that depend on atime.
[8:11] <asaru> well
[8:12] <asaru> this drive will be replaced with a 3tb in the near future
[8:12] <asaru> and when that happens it will be ext3 or 4
[8:12] <asaru> so none of this will matter anymore
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[8:32] <GabrialDestruir_> What's the easiest way to repair the sdcard slot without resoldering a new one on? The card holder on one side broke.
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[8:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Will probably require the right combination of super glue, duct tape and hot glue.
[8:37] <asaru> i saw a mod for microsd on pi, doesnt stick out like a normal sd card would
[8:38] <asaru> might be fun, if you have a pi with a broken sd card slot :)
[8:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah yeah, those are a great idea. Not sure how it would fix a broken slot though. Usually it's just a microsd->sd adapter but shorter.
[8:39] <[Saint]> those are nice, but, often very shoddily made.
[8:39] <[Saint]> the ones I have recieved had traces that weren't even connected in 4/5 cases.
[8:39] <asaru> no i thought i saw a guy who removed his sdcard slot and replaced it with a micro
[8:39] <[Saint]> I got lucky on the third order.
[8:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[8:39] <asaru> i could be wrong, and i wouldnt remember where i saw this, short of just googling it
[8:40] <[Saint]> you're thinking of the Pio
[8:40] <[Saint]> https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi-micro-sd-card-adaptor
[8:40] * [Saint] forgot a ?
[8:41] <asaru> yeah maybe thats what i'm thinking of
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[8:41] <[Saint]> it makes the card not extend any further than the limits of the pi board itself.
[8:41] <[Saint]> which I actually dislike in a way, as the sdcard makes a handy handle sometimes.
[8:42] <[Saint]> when not in a case, I often manipulate the pi by the sdcard.
[8:42] <[Saint]> no need to futz about with grounding, or breaking bits off.
[8:44] <asaru> i usually gently pick mine up by the usb ports
[8:45] <[Saint]> I have a bad case of the clumsies, and the USB/Ethernet ports are too close to other potentially live things for my liking.
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[8:46] <[Saint]> powerig off before moving stuff around and/or inserting things would fix that - but, who has time for that? :)
[8:47] <asaru> lol right?
[8:49] <[Saint]> on the pi I put through abuse (active coling), I just pick it up by the fan/sync.
[8:49] <[Saint]> *cooling
[8:49] <[Saint]> I'm trying to get to 1.4GHz, but I don't think its gonna happen.
[8:50] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[8:50] <[Saint]> 2X seems like a nice round limit. I popped one at 1350. So close.
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[8:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Any idea what temperature it runs at at 100% cpu and gpu usage at that clock rate?
[8:53] <[Saint]> with active cooling I can keep it at 50C
[8:53] <ShiftPlusOne> and without?
[8:54] <[Saint]> without, it climbs up to 80C sharply and tuns off the OC.
[8:54] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[8:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Any idea what clock rate you'd need to get near 80c?
[8:55] <[Saint]> 1.1GHz can do it in ~20 mins or so with heavy load at ambient temperature - says my highly unscientific findings.
[8:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Thanks, just wanted a rough estimate.
[8:56] <[Saint]> I'm fairly confident that someone tried this before me, hence the limit of 1GHz in raspi-config, which is the path I assume most people would take to OC.
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[9:44] <schmodd> hi im running omxplayer + livestreamer to watch twitch streams via cli - only problem is that i cannot set omxplayer to -o hdmi
[9:44] <schmodd> this is the command i am using: livestreamer twitch.tv/$PUTGAMECHANNELHERE best -np omxplayer
[9:45] <schmodd> anyone knows how to make omxplayer always use hdmi maybe in a config file or just hardcode it ?
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[9:46] <Dyskette> schmodd, you could alias omxplayer to omxplayer -o hdmi or whatever it is?
[9:47] <schmodd> so i should google how to create alias in linux right ?
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[9:48] <Dyskette> In /etc/profile I guess
[9:48] <schmodd> thx i will try that
[9:50] <ShiftPlusOne> If all else fails, hardcoding looks pretty easy. https://github.com/huceke/omxplayer/blob/master/omxplayer.cpp (looks for case 'o';)
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[10:05] <schmodd> ok i think the problem is livestreamer not sending audio to hdmi - tried playing video file with omxplayer without -o and it automatically used hdmi
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[10:05] <schmodd> thx for your help - will try to look for a solution in livestreamer
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[10:10] <schmodd> sry, the above is bullshit ... the alias made it play sound :)
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[10:11] <schmodd> so its omxplayer not doing hdmi - alias doesnt seem to help when using livestreamer with omxplayer
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[10:18] <dangerousdave> hi, had my raspberry pi setup for sometime working through a vga adapter. Yesterday i did my first raspbian update, and it broke the monitor. I fiddled with the hdmi_mode (which was previously 16) and set it to 35, and got a picture again, but it was only 800x600
[10:19] <dangerousdave> any ideas pleas?
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[10:45] <[Saint]> do you perhaps mean overscan?
[10:45] <ParkerR> [Saint], He's back at a lower resolution
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[10:47] <[Saint]> I was just wondering what "fiddled with the hdmi_mode (which was previously 16)" meant.
[10:47] <[Saint]> and 16 just so happens to be the default overscan bound.
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[10:49] <[Saint]> you apparently seem to know whats going on, though, so, yay :)
[10:50] * Firehopper waves morning
[10:50] * Firehopper made my own version of a pi plate :)
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[10:51] <Firehopper> cept mine is a rpi pc setup on a bit of plywood :)
[10:51] <neure> hi
[10:51] <neure> im trying to use Fedora ARM Image Installer on windows 7
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[10:51] <neure> Destination refresh button does not seem to do anything
[10:51] <neure> I only have "Device" as detination
[10:52] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/8571797873/in/photostream < tada :)
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[10:53] <neure> it also opens a new window with diskparted every time i run it
[10:53] <dangerousdave> [Saint]: i changed it from 16 to 35
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[10:57] <[Saint]> dangerousdave: I'm pretty sure I know what you did - but I fear you're confusing two terms.
[10:57] <dangerousdave> ok
[10:57] <[Saint]> hmdi_mode vs overscan.
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[10:58] <dangerousdave> i used to have these settings:
[10:58] <dangerousdave> hdmi_drive=2
[10:58] <dangerousdave> hdmi_group=2
[10:58] <dangerousdave> hdmi_mode=16
[10:58] <dangerousdave> hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[10:58] <dangerousdave> disable_overscan=0
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[10:59] <dangerousdave> however since the update, these no longer work
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[11:02] <[Saint]> Hum, ok, I was wrong.
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[11:05] <[Saint]> dangerousdave: perhaps http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Which_values_are_valid_for_my_monitor.3F might be of some interest
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[11:10] <dangerousdave> [Saint]: thanks, trying now]
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[11:20] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> ah, breads ready!
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[11:33] <gordonDrogon> and is smelling real good :)
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[11:57] <Joeboy> Would one of these do for connecting a pi to a monitor with dvi? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Premium-HDMI-Cable-Gold-Metre/dp/B000GDI6FC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1364121136&sr=8-1
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[12:01] <mgottschlag> probably
[12:01] <Joeboy> But maybe not?
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[12:02] <ParkerR> Joeboy, It would work
[12:02] <jelly1> I'd think it works
[12:02] <mgottschlag> the comments say that the cable can be used to connect a DVI monitor to a hdmi device
[12:02] * jelly1 has such a cable myself, but not the same :P
[12:02] <jelly1> mgottschlag: woops
[12:02] * jelly1 has a hdmi -> dvi cable
[12:02] <Joeboy> Ok, I will order one. Ta.
[12:03] <ParkerR> Haha could do this too http://www.sweetwater.com/images/items/1800/HDMItoDVI-xlarge.jpg
[12:03] <ParkerR> And use a normal DVI cable
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[12:04] <jelly1> large.jpg
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[12:04] <jelly1> :P
[12:04] <mgottschlag> ParkerR: that's what I do, and it is really annoying
[12:04] <jelly1> it is
[12:04] <jelly1> :P
[12:04] <jelly1> I have one that is partly broken
[12:04] <ParkerR> mgbowman, Just too bulky?
[12:04] <mgottschlag> bulky, and rigid
[12:05] <mgbowman> ParkerR: ?
[12:05] <jelly1> then buy a hdmi -> dvi cable ;)
[12:05] <mgottschlag> mgbowman: probably a typo :p
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[12:05] <mgbowman> oh you meant mgottschlag :)
[12:05] <ParkerR> mgbowman, Sorry
[12:05] <ParkerR> :P
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[12:05] <mgbowman> np
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[12:06] <mgottschlag> such an adapter is not as bad for the pi though, but with my laptop it always blocked other connectors
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[12:19] <neure> anyone used filco majestouch 2 on pi?
[12:19] <neure> it does not seem to work very well :(
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[12:19] <neure> some key up and some key down events get lost
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[12:32] <j3> is it possible to run a regular armhf debian image from the sd slot and install the os on a usb device (sd/usb drive)?
[12:32] <ryanteck> Er
[12:32] <ryanteck> Do you mean using the USB drive for the image instead?
[12:33] <j3> i wrote the debian image to a sd card
[12:33] <j3> to boot from it
[12:33] <j3> to run the installer and then install to a drive attached to the pi via usb
[12:33] <j3> or thats what i had in mind
[12:34] <ParkerR> Gaah I need helping remembering the name of a program. Started with an s. It let you record a terminal session then share i on their website
[12:34] <ParkerR> *it
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[12:36] <ryanteck> j3 so at the end it would be using the drive instead of the SD Card?
[12:36] <j3> mh i wanted to use a card reader attached via usb
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[12:36] <j3> put another sd card in there and install debian to it
[12:37] <j3> then replace the one in the internal reader with it
[12:37] <ryanteck> i am not sure sorry
[12:37] <ParkerR> j3, berryboot has the option to install to USB drive
[12:37] <j3> yes
[12:37] <ryanteck> I know how to set it up so you run the pi from a USB device
[12:37] <ryanteck> im using mine as that right now
[12:37] <j3> what i want is using the regular debian installer to install debian to my sd card attached via usb and then use that card to boot the pi
[12:38] <j3> from the internal sd reader
[12:38] <ryanteck> you can't use the normal debian installer
[12:38] <ryanteck> its not designed for arm or the rpi
[12:38] <j3> i was afraid its like that
[12:38] <j3> damn
[12:38] <ParkerR> And you cant boot sriaght to USB
[12:39] <ParkerR> The firmware and bootloader have to be on the internal SD card
[12:39] <ryanteck> you use the prebuilt images of debian from rpi
[12:39] <j3> yes, but i want to boot from the regular reader
[12:39] <j3> the internal one
[12:39] <j3> the thing via usb was just to install the os
[12:39] <ryanteck> normally you put your SD card into your computer / laptop
[12:39] <ryanteck> download the image off of the site and image it to the SD card
[12:39] <j3> ye
[12:40] <j3> i run two pis with openelec and wheezy
[12:40] <j3> brb
[12:40] <ryanteck> :S
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[12:42] <j3> i meant i know the regular procedure for a pi, but i was curious if i can somehow run the regular debian installer to the pi
[12:42] <ryanteck> no not really
[12:42] <j3> which is not possible then
[12:42] <ryanteck> is there anything that is missing from the normal rpi image tha tthe installer can provide?
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[13:03] <j3> ryanteck: crypted lvm partitions for the os
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[13:10] <modernh> Hello, running a small www on my raspberry .. how much difference will overclocking make? from 700->800 .. or is the sd-card the bottleneck?
[13:10] <modernh> running on a class10... lighttpd..sqlite..php.. any suggestions on how to test speed etc?
[13:12] <kaste> Do you see high cpu usage?
[13:12] <kaste> my bet is on the card
[13:12] <ShadowJK> or high iowait? :)
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[13:13] <ShadowJK> sqlite is by default uberslow on anything not an ssd
[13:13] <modernh> ive come across this mystical thing "iowait" .. I dont understand it entirely.. maybe I should do some reading :)
[13:14] <modernh> ShadowJK: but must be faster than mysql/pgsql on a rpi.. right?
[13:15] <nid0> how big is your db?
[13:16] <neure> there is not much point putting ssd to rpi though
[13:16] <neure> perhaps through ethernet
[13:16] <modernh> right now its ubersmall .. 25k
[13:17] <ShadowJK> modernh; for cpu perhaps, but i think they're all pretty good at hogging disk
[13:17] <nid0> is the db containing absolutely critical up-to-the-second info, or stuff that gets updated every now and then?
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[13:18] <ikonia> any of you guys using the pi for emmulation, i'm considering putting together a legacy emmulation box with the pi, zsnes/mame/vice64 etc
[13:18] <ShadowJK> anyway "vmstat 1" command in a terminal, the "wa" column is "waiting for IO", "id" is cpu idle
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[13:20] <ShiftPlusOne> ikonia, plenty of information on the forum
[13:20] <modernh> nid0: I guess it is "updated" when I put new content on the site .. maybe I missunderstand the question :D
[13:20] <ikonia> ShiftPlusOne: just prodding around it at the moment,
[13:20] <DeliriumTremens> Oh Harry, what are the Hendersons going to do with you!?
[13:20] <modernh> ShadowJK: oh.. ill look that up
[13:21] <nid0> modernh: in that case if you want to stick with sqlite, an easy performance gain is setup a ramfs and store your db on there
[13:21] <nid0> then copy it to disk every so often via cron
[13:21] <nid0> and have it copied back to ram on every boot
[13:21] <modernh> nid0: I think that the content is on the ramfs.. not sure.. look at this
[13:22] <modernh> tmpfs 242M 48K 242M 1% /dev/shm
[13:22] <kaste> that doesn't say anything
[13:22] <modernh> I have a script "emptying" that once a day ..
[13:22] <modernh> oh ok
[13:22] <nid0> tmpfs != ramfs and your sqlite db wont be in tmpfs unless you put it there
[13:22] <modernh> ah youre right... ive put my /var/log on tmpfs tho
[13:23] <kaste> do the same thing with your Docroot also
[13:23] <nid0> fwiw the same applies to your file content
[13:23] <nid0> yeah, that
[13:23] <kaste> that way it should actually be somewhat snappy
[13:23] <nid0> stick both your sqlite db and your file docroot onto a ramfs
[13:23] <nid0> assuming theyre both relatively small
[13:24] <jelly1> nid0: do you have numbers too back up your theory :P
[13:24] <nid0> what numbers precisely? at its most basic, ram is faster than sd, thats not hard
[13:24] <jelly1> sure but your OS caches stuff
[13:25] <ShadowJK> sqlite defeats the caching with fflush calls
[13:26] <jelly1> well it's a db :p
[13:26] <nid0> stored on disk when it doesnt need to be
[13:27] <ShadowJK> And when sqlite requests 512 bytes must be written *now*, the sd card is forced to read-modify-write 8 megs or so in worst case, which on class 4 card takes 2 seconds.
[13:27] <Triffid_Hunter> ShadowJK: LD_PRELOAD=flush_noop.so ./blah makes a world of difference to such programs.. of course you risk data corruption
[13:27] <jelly1> then use leveldb
[13:27] <nid0> tbh you can configure sqlite to cache everything to run it purely in memory but that requires a lot more work to get it right than just dumping the db itself onto a ramfs
[13:27] <ShadowJK> Triffid_Hunter; yeah :)
[13:28] <Triffid_Hunter> also, why would putting docroot in a tmpfs make any difference? the files will be cached in ram by the vfs already, sticking them in tmpfs seems redundant
[13:28] <ShadowJK> makes firefox faster too ;P
[13:28] <Triffid_Hunter> ShadowJK: that's the exact usage case I was thinking of ;)
[13:28] <jelly1> I heard the new sqlite4 is going to be nicer / faster :)
[13:30] <ShadowJK> Triffid_Hunter; fflush to ram is quick ;)
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[13:37] <neure> hi
[13:37] <neure> anyone compared speed of clang vs. gcc on raspberrypi?
[13:38] <neure> i think im seeing clang++ being faster than g++
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[14:13] <bact> this channel is a lot deader than it used to be
[14:14] <rpitin> deader edderer
[14:16] <ikonia> how do you manage / connect to bluetooth devices using raspbian ? the hidd command does not appear to be included in the standard bluetooth packages
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[14:17] <ikonia> is hciattach replacing it ?
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> bact, it's also Sunday morning ...
[14:18] <rpitin> http://www.rpiblog.com/2012/08/bluetooth-pairing-of-raspberry-pi-with.html
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> er, early aftermorning!
[14:18] <ikonia> thank you rpitin
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[14:18] <ikonia> rpitin: ah, that's X11 tools, not to worry, I'll dig it out
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[14:18] <ikonia> just didn't know if hidd had been replaced
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[14:21] <rpitin> not sure, i mostly use my rpi for python stuff and a microserver
[14:22] <bact> rpitin: ditto
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[14:28] <ikonia> sorted, it's bluez-simple-agent now
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[14:28] <rpitin> nice
[14:29] <rpitin> all paired and working?
[14:29] <ikonia> yes
[14:29] <rpitin> sweet
[14:29] <bact> isn't bluetooth like 100mb of packages?
[14:30] <ikonia> not that much, but it is a reasonable size suite
[14:32] <rpitin> I got a 10" LVDS touch screen coming in next month http://www.chalk-elec.com
[14:32] <rpitin> Going to have a go at setting it up as a POS and maybe redeveloping one of the OS offerings.
[14:33] <rpitin> Their touchscreens are damn cheap
[14:36] <rpitin> Going to find out if their rubbish tho >.>
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[14:44] <pumtrix> Hi
[14:44] <pumtrix> Im getting this error
[14:44] <pumtrix> [....] Starting advanced IEEE 802.11 management: hostapdSegmentation fault
[14:44] <pumtrix> failed!
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[14:44] <pumtrix> when trying to boot up hostapd
[14:45] <pumtrix> i've scanned the forums but it highlights on other problems not this oen
[14:45] <pumtrix> :(
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[14:58] <rpitin> pumtrix: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=24964
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[14:59] <pumtrix> yeah i followed that rpitin.
[14:59] <pumtrix> still same error.
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[15:01] <rpitin> pumtrix: the thread leads to two links at the end, have you tried them?
[15:01] <rpitin> For example, http://elinux.org/RPI-Wireless-Hotspot is very detailed
[15:02] <pumtrix> I followed http://elinux.org/RPI-Wireless-Hotspot to the T.
[15:02] <pumtrix> originally.
[15:02] <pumtrix> and thats where the error came from.
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[15:03] <pumtrix> my network/interfaces file: http://elinux.org/RPI-Wireless-Hotspot -=- and my hostapd.conf file: http://puu.sh/2n5Ap
[15:03] <pumtrix> i changed it to suit that forum link after elinux one didn't work.
[15:04] <pumtrix> oh it's a different error on that conf. i didn't notice.
[15:04] <pumtrix> [FAIL] Starting advanced IEEE 802.11 management: hostapd failed!
[15:04] <pumtrix> >.<
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[15:05] <rpitin> What are you using for your wireless?
[15:06] <pumtrix> http://www.scan.co.uk/products/micronext-mn-wd152b-usb-20-150mbps-wireless-lan-adaptor
[15:06] <pumtrix> it supports AP point.
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[15:06] <rpitin> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[15:07] <rpitin> Problem USB Wi-Fi Adapters - MicroNEXT
[15:08] <rpitin> Not saying that's the cause, but its one possibility when troubleshooting. Do you have an alternative adapter thats on the verified list?
[15:08] <pumtrix> No. >.<
[15:08] <pumtrix> and I havn't got time to get another one either.
[15:08] <pumtrix> i needed it working by tomorrow for my project.
[15:08] * pumtrix sighs
[15:08] <rpitin> Would be worth testing it with another. The one you have is listed as having known issues.
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[15:09] <pumtrix> its connected alright and scans for networks.
[15:10] <rpitin> Yeah, the issues reported include "MN-WD152B (Debian image) modprobe hangs when plugged in, lsusb hangs. udevd errors in the logs"
[15:10] <mythos> pumtrix, i think, you need a backup-plan
[15:10] <Tenkawa> whats it doing?
[15:10] <pumtrix> first of all the 4g dongle wouldn't work.
[15:10] <pumtrix> and now the wifi adapter.
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[15:11] * pumtrix sighs
[15:11] <pumtrix> hmm.
[15:11] <mythos> c'est la vie
[15:11] <Tenkawa> pumtrix: tried adjusting any of the usb settings at boot?
[15:11] <Tenkawa> the different fxes,tweaks, power management settings
[15:11] <rpitin> Always check your peripherals against the verified hardware list.
[15:11] <pumtrix> rpitin I thought I did.
[15:12] <pumtrix> this is the second adapte.
[15:12] <pumtrix> adapter
[15:12] <pumtrix> :[
[15:12] <pumtrix> When I tried to use sakis3g for my dongle it came up error.
[15:12] <Tenkawa> i've got 3 diff wifi dongles although i still went back to ethernet (no wifi needed in my case)
[15:12] <pumtrix> and the usb_modeswitch errored too.
[15:13] <pumtrix> yeah i just needed it to build a hotspot.
[15:13] <Tenkawa> ahh so you definitely need it
[15:13] <pumtrix> yeah.
[15:13] <pumtrix> this is due in for tuesday.
[15:13] <pumtrix> :[
[15:13] <pumtrix> oh well.
[15:13] <rpitin> Is the dongle for Wifi or GSM?
[15:14] <pumtrix> GSM.
[15:14] <pumtrix> Huawei E392.
[15:14] <rpitin> Maybe setup a mobile phone as an access point?
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[15:14] <pumtrix> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 12d1:151a Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.
[15:15] <pumtrix> i can do that with my iphone lol.
[15:15] <pumtrix> it needed to be on the pi.
[15:15] <pumtrix> :[
[15:15] <pumtrix> thanks anwyay
[15:15] <rpitin> Yeah, may be a workaround if you dont have time to get another dongle.
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[15:16] <rpitin> I wouldn't waste time trying to troubleshoot hardware with known issues when your times limited.
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[15:16] <pumtrix> Nope me neither.
[15:16] <rpitin> Best to ditch it and find another option
[15:16] <pumtrix> ill see if i can get a verified dongle.
[15:19] <rpitin> pumtrix: this guy seems to think hes got a 3G dongle working http://pikiosk.tumblr.com/post/39526392102/raspberry-3g-modem-usb
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[15:24] <pumtrix> i'll try it rpitin
[15:24] <pumtrix> but i have issues with sakruis last time
[15:24] <pumtrix> but this looks different.
[15:25] <rpitin> Will hopefully produce better results, the blogs got comments with others saying it works for them
[15:25] <rpitin> so looks promising
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[15:27] <Tenkawa> so...anyone using gcc 4.8 yet?
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[15:28] <pumtrix> same error.
[15:28] <pumtrix> failing to connect
[15:28] <pumtrix> :[
[15:28] <Tenkawa> using wpa_supplicant?
[15:28] <pumtrix> ill have a mess.
[15:28] <pumtrix> brb
[15:30] * Tenkawa discovered his local elec shop (microcenter) now appears to have model-b units in stock via Allied (yay).
[15:32] <pumtrix> Do you think that because the dongle is connected to a powered usb hub and not the pi directly that could be issues why?
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[15:34] <pumtrix> yeah this pi is havning none of my dongle or adapter
[15:34] <pumtrix> ahahah
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[15:38] <pumtrix> thanks for you help bte guys.
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[16:06] <jkbbwr> whats the right way to autologin on the pi
[16:10] <ShiftPlusOne> modifying inittab
[16:11] <ShiftPlusOne> (if you google inittab autologin, you'll find plenty of information)
[16:11] <jkbbwr> Danke
[16:11] <ShiftPlusOne> np
[16:11] <jkbbwr> ShiftPlusOne: I wonder if the USB kernel bug is fixed :'(
[16:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know about fixed, but the kernel is being constantly improved. What issues are you having exactly?
[16:14] <jkbbwr> ShiftPlusOne: the usb drivers are just missing bytes occationally
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[16:14] <jkbbwr> they just drop chunks of input
[16:14] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[16:14] <jkbbwr> its infurating because i was planning to deploy the pi
[16:15] <jkbbwr> if I can't fix this issue then :/
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[16:19] <jelly1> ok I think my Pi broke
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[16:19] <jelly1> well ethernet does
[16:20] <Triffid_Hunter> jkbbwr: I have 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -8 -L --noclear -a pi 38400 tty1 in my /etc/inittab
[16:20] <jelly1> I get a lease, do something with the network and poof lease is gone
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[16:23] <jkbbwr> Triffid_Hunter: whats the number?
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[16:24] <jkbbwr> Triffid_Hunter: 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f loginname tty1 < /dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&1
[16:24] <jkbbwr> is the line I found
[16:25] <Triffid_Hunter> jkbbwr: the number is a baudrate.. not used with consoles but getty expects it to be there.. I'm running occidentalis 0.2, stock inittab may be a bit different to yours
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[16:27] <jkbbwr> Triffid_Hunter: hm
[16:27] <jkbbwr> ok
[16:27] <jkbbwr> Triffid_Hunter: atm im ripping off huge ammounts of stuff
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[16:28] <jkbbwr> Triffid_Hunter: I got it down to 60%!
[16:29] <Triffid_Hunter> jkbbwr: making a tiny install?
[16:29] <jkbbwr> Triffid_Hunter: kinda, I just need more space atm
[16:30] <jkbbwr> Triffid_Hunter: 2gb sd card
[16:30] <jkbbwr> Im about to tear out smbclient
[16:30] <jkbbwr> as this thing will never smb
[16:30] <Triffid_Hunter> jkbbwr: may want to strip everything unnecessary from /usr/share
[16:30] <jkbbwr> hm
[16:30] * jkbbwr looks
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[16:31] <Triffid_Hunter> jkbbwr: frequently have manuals, readmes, example configurations, all sorts of flotsam in there
[16:31] <jkbbwr> I wiped /opt/
[16:31] <Triffid_Hunter> jkbbwr: probably also some necessary things in /usr/share too, don't blindly wipe out the whole lot
[16:31] <jkbbwr> Triffid_Hunter: yea im leaving it alone for now
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[16:32] <jelly1> ok
[16:32] <jelly1> It looks like I have bought a faulty powersupply
[16:32] <jelly1> or cable
[16:32] <jelly1> ethernet failed after a few tries on that one :O
[16:32] <jelly1> with my htc charger it works fine, weird stuff
[16:32] <jkbbwr> Triffid_Hunter: Ill be happy to get it over 50% free space
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[16:33] <Triffid_Hunter> jelly1: yeah rpi is very sensitive to bad power, and there's a lot of marginal supplies out there
[16:34] <jelly1> Triffid_Hunter hehe it's a chinese one :P
[16:34] <jelly1> damn
[16:34] <jkbbwr> Triffid_Hunter: one day Ill do a specilist image and keep track of everything I tear out
[16:34] <jkbbwr> Triffid_Hunter: and say its server lite
[16:34] <jelly1> well yay pi works again
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[16:35] <rymate1234> I feel like making an OpenGL accelerated browser for the rpi
[16:35] <rymate1234> would that be possible?
[16:36] <Triffid_Hunter> possible? sure.. worth it? unlikely, the bottleneck is usually the network rather than drawing graphics
[16:36] <jkbbwr> Why are packages still showing up as installed after I removed them ;s
[16:41] <jelly1> what distro
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[16:41] <jelly1> also how did you remove them :P
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[16:48] <jkbbwr> jelly1: apt-get remove on the resbian image
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[16:48] <jelly1> aha
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[17:06] <AndChat-111201> my rpi is giving me a file system check failed.
[17:07] <AndChat-111201> I assume this means I have to reinstall the PI, but my question is: how can I prevent these corruptions?
[17:07] <AndChat-111201> this particular RPi was running my homes networking backbone, it was quite difficult to gain physical access to it
[17:08] <Firehopper> use a sudo shutdown -h now
[17:08] <Firehopper> instead of unplugging it
[17:08] <AndChat-111201> instead of yanking the power?
[17:08] <AndChat-111201> I see
[17:08] <AndChat-111201> thanks
[17:09] <Firehopper> thats the best way to shut it down, it prevents filesystem corruption
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[17:10] <Firehopper> after it shuts down, you can pull the plug
[17:10] <jelly1> AndChat-111201: if you're using ext4 or others you can just fsck it and you'll be fine
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[17:14] <RiXtEr1> gordonDrogon, how is your pi powered in this picture? https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/life1.jpg
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[17:16] <Triffid_Hunter> RiXtEr1: through the gpio port by the look of it
[17:16] <Triffid_Hunter> or maybe back-powered via usb host
[17:16] <Firehopper> I couldnt backpower mine
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> RiXtEr1, er, not the gpio port, but back-fed from a USB port.
[17:16] <steve_rox> fsck doesent save you all the time so it seems jelly1
[17:16] <Firehopper> it didnt want to.
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> that's possible on the Rev 2, and 1.1's but not the Rev 1's.
[17:17] <Firehopper> I have a rev 2
[17:17] <Firehopper> but it didnt seem to want to boot
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> Hm. dusty boards - I ought to clean them before photographing them :)
[17:17] <RiXtEr1> so you just supply power to your usb ports ?
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> not normally - it was just handy at that time - I have a powered hub with a 2A supply that can power 2 Pi's...
[17:18] <jelly1> steve_rox: sure it doesn't
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[17:19] <Firehopper> So I'm powering the rpi seperately from the lcd screen
[17:20] <rymate1234> hey
[17:20] <rymate1234> using my rpi via scart
[17:20] <rymate1234> 1. how do I stop screen flickering
[17:21] <rymate1234> 2. the sides of my screen are cutoff
[17:21] <Firehopper> try different screen modes?
[17:21] <rymate1234> how can I fix this
[17:21] <rymate1234> ?
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[17:21] <rymate1234> Screen modes?
[17:21] <Firehopper> sounds like you need to mess around with the config.txt
[17:22] <RiXtEr_> Ugh... crappy internet.... gordonDrogon did you say anything after the not normally line ?
[17:22] <RiXtEr_> gordonDrogon, also, are you using gum to hold the blue breadboard inplace (on top of the other breadboard) ;)
[17:22] <Firehopper> theres a command, tvservice
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[17:22] <Firehopper> that command can test modes and adjust the oversacan
[17:22] <Firehopper> I think
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> RiXtEr_, no..
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> RiXtEr_, blue tack!
[17:23] <Firehopper> the overscan controlls the size of the screen, you can use that to adjust it smaller so its not cutoff
[17:23] <RiXtEr_> :)
[17:23] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/8571797873/in/photostream < my ugly pi :)
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[17:24] <andrewvos> Firehopper: What you going to do with it?
[17:24] <RiXtEr_> Firehopper, that looks pretty slick...
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[17:24] <jelly1> Firehopper: nah looks awesome
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[17:24] <Firehopper> andrewvos, not sure yet..
[17:25] <Firehopper> thanks RiXtEr_
[17:25] <jelly1> is that a touchscreen?
[17:25] <RiXtEr_> Firehopper, the only ugly thing there is those bare gpio pins ;)
[17:25] <Firehopper> I'm gonna add a touchscreen to that lcd, and some heatsinks fan..
[17:25] <Firehopper> the lcd controller gets quite warm.
[17:25] <RiXtEr_> Firehopper, if the lcd just a regular laptop screen ?
[17:25] <Firehopper> and the rpi does get a bit warm too
[17:26] <Firehopper> the lcd is from a dead laptop.
[17:26] <bact> Firehopper: pro-tip, computer components work best when warm
[17:26] * RiXtEr_ thinks bact is a gamer ;)
[17:27] <Firehopper> bact, yeah but not hot :P
[17:28] <Firehopper> and no, they work best when cool..\
[17:28] <Firehopper> they can be overclocked :)
[17:28] <bact> Firehopper: depends on your definition of hot.
[17:28] <Firehopper> my pi is 46C when idle
[17:28] <bact> Firehopper: which is a good temp
[17:28] <RiXtEr_> Firehopper, what is that handy little board that goes lcd to hdmi/dvi/vga ?
[17:28] <Firehopper> and the lcd controller gets hotter than that
[17:28] <bact> these sorts of products are designed to work best at ~50C
[17:29] <bact> Cooler doesn't always = better
[17:29] <Firehopper> RiXtEr_, the one under the lcd?
[17:29] <RiXtEr_> Firehopper, yes.
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[17:29] <Firehopper> bact its not like a car..
[17:29] <bact> Firehopper: It's not like a human body either
[17:29] * RiXtEr_ agrees, get some mineral oil and drop it in a fish tank that circulates it...
[17:29] <Firehopper> I prefer my electronics to be cooler.. longer life
[17:30] <Firehopper> heat killed the laptop the lcd came from
[17:30] <Firehopper> the gpu failed..
[17:30] <Firehopper> connections failed
[17:31] <Firehopper> RiXtEr_, thats the lcd controller I got off ebay.. it does vga/hdmi/dvi
[17:31] <Firehopper> came with inverter.
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[17:32] <Firehopper> $39 :)
[17:32] <Firehopper> and a 3 week wait :)
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[17:37] <RiXtEr_> Firehopper, Sweet! I didn't know such a thing existed! :)
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[17:40] <Firehopper> neither did I till I started looking. :)
[17:40] <Firehopper> want a link?
[17:43] <neure> anyone know a small screen to recommend for rpi?
[17:44] <bact> neure: depends on how skilled you are
[17:45] <bact> neure: there's simple in-car monitors which just plug into the composite
[17:45] <neure> anything that goes to hdmi?
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[17:53] <neure> hmm
[17:53] <neure> so i have an old laptop
[17:53] <neure> what is the likelyhood i could use the screen from it?
[17:53] <neure> could it be using DSI?
[17:55] <Hexxeh> hey guys
[17:55] <Hexxeh> lots of you use rpi-update i guess
[17:55] <Hexxeh> tell me what you hate about it and how it should be better
[18:00] <Firehopper> Hexxeh, I dont have any issues :)
[18:00] <Firehopper> Its awesome
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[18:00] <atouk> never had any problems with it either
[18:00] <Hexxeh> lots of people tell me it's quite slow
[18:00] <Firehopper> neure, that screen I have on my pi is from a laptop
[18:00] <atouk> some people just have no patience
[18:00] <bact> Hexxeh: people shouldn't complain about speed for a free service
[18:01] <neure> something like this would be nice: http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#ecwid:category=3094861&mode=category&offset=0&sort=priceAsc
[18:01] <neure> anything like that in uk?
[18:01] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/8571797873/in/photostream < neure
[18:01] <neure> cool
[18:01] <Hexxeh> bact: it's a tool I wrote, I'm considering improving it
[18:01] <Hexxeh> i want to know what people would like to see
[18:01] <Hexxeh> i have some cool ideas in mind, but perhaps people can suggest stuff i've not thought of
[18:01] <bact> well at least now it tells you what it's doing
[18:01] <bact> it was a bit of a mystery before
[18:01] <Firehopper> speed improvments might not be a bad place to start Hexxeh
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, not used it for a long time - since the foundation started updating images with apt-get i'm afraid...
[18:02] <atouk> them make it use pretty colors. pretty colors always make thinhgs better
[18:02] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: don't the foundation images still ship rpi-update?
[18:02] <sam_nazarko> Hexxeh: can you confirm that rpi-update /always/ runs ldconfig to update the ld cache after a firmware update?
[18:02] <Hexxeh> sam_nazarko: it does last time i looked at it yeah
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[18:03] <Firehopper> gordonDrogon, yeah but apt-get dont update firmware.
[18:03] <neure> Firehopper, looks very cool
[18:03] <neure> but i think i need something that i can just plug in :/
[18:03] <sam_nazarko> Hexxeh: that's what I thought. When I used it to update to some firmware popcornmix suggested for camera compatibility, I had to ldconfig manually
[18:03] <sam_nazarko> which stumped me.
[18:03] <sam_nazarko> the ld.so.conf is properly defined
[18:03] <Hexxeh> sam_nazarko: that's a bit strange, but it definitely should be doing
[18:04] <Hexxeh> to be honest, it's been tacked onto that much since i originally wrote it, it's a bit of a mess these days
[18:04] <sam_nazarko> Indeed. Yet Dom/Gordon actually sent an email saying people had to manually ldconfig
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, I don't think so. If they it's not called 'rpi-update' ...
[18:04] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: huh, interesting
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> Firehopper, apt-get update has appeared to update firmware for me.
[18:04] <sam_nazarko> I don't think it is bundled in new images
[18:04] <sam_nazarko> or it's not in PATH
[18:05] <Hexxeh> maybe it got removed then when the apt-get stuff was added
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> Ah, hang on - it is in one Pi I have, so maybe it is shipped now.
[18:05] <neure> hmm.. http://www.amazon.co.uk/PCSL-Brand-Raspberry-Standard-Delivery/dp/B008LJUSUO
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> it's not in any package though.
[18:05] <Hexxeh> well, here's my current wish list for the next version: proper delta updates (start.elf only changed a tiny part, why redownload the entire thing)
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> my /boot/start.elf is: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2694676 Feb 20 12:04 start.elf
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> and that came via apt-get update
[18:06] <Hexxeh> metrics, ie lets try and get a view of how many Pis are out there and in active usage (there'll be opt out/in for this of course)
[18:06] <bact> neure: that's a lot of money for a bit of plastic
[18:06] <Hexxeh> possibly killing GitHub hosting and sticking the firmware in Google Storage so everyone gets fast downloads
[18:06] <sam_nazarko> Hexxeh: I'm getting some good sats from Raspbmc's update system.
[18:06] <neure> yeah i dont think i need something like that
[18:06] <sam_nazarko> stats*
[18:06] <Hexxeh> automatic/scheduled updates
[18:07] <Hexxeh> aand that's my list so far.
[18:07] <Hexxeh> sam_nazarko: nice, what's the current count?
[18:07] <sam_nazarko> Unique IP's that sync everyday is about 58k
[18:07] <sam_nazarko> but I assume not everyone reboots every day.
[18:07] <Hexxeh> huh, nice
[18:07] <Hexxeh> handled by a single machine?
[18:07] <bact> You're storing ips?!
[18:08] <sam_nazarko> Nothing beyond Apache2 logs
[18:08] <sam_nazarko> and they're purged every month
[18:08] <Hexxeh> bact: every time you GET a web page it's likely going to log your IP
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[18:08] <sam_nazarko> yes, I do not consider it personally identifiable so I believe it is acceptable
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[18:08] <sam_nazarko> Hexxeh: a single machine indeed. Only handles scripts. Using a CDN for binaries
[18:09] <Hexxeh> i was thinking of collecting the serial/revision (as long as the user agrees of course) to get some nice stats about revisions in the wild
[18:09] <chupacabra> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/03/24/1625240/longest-running-linux-distribution-slackware-adopts-mariadb
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> double-checked. rpi-update is not shipped - or wasn't in an image 2 months back. it's also not in the rpi debian respository either, so has to be installed the old fashioed way.
[18:09] <Hexxeh> and possibly letting people store their codec license keys with us
[18:09] <Hexxeh> so they can be automatically reinstalled if they reflash their SD card
[18:09] <sam_nazarko> MySQL is becoming too closed chupacabra
[18:09] <sam_nazarko> Hexxeh: I thought of that. Was going to back up users config.txt, advancedsettings.xml in XBMC etc
[18:10] <bact> using apt-get upgrade to handle firmware over a 3rd party tool is much more user friendly
[18:10] <chupacabra> yup. I always hated it.
[18:10] <sam_nazarko> Will get round to it this summer if I can
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> lunch time. (late)
[18:10] <Hexxeh> bact: true, but it means somebody has to package the firmware and mirrors need to rsync it
[18:10] <sam_nazarko> bact: I sort of agree, and I sort of don't. I don't think firmware should be considered part of the distro
[18:11] <bact> sam_nazarko: in the raspberrypi's case they are one in the same
[18:11] <Hexxeh> we have a bundle of distros for the Pi, having one system to get firmware out there would be nice
[18:11] <Hexxeh> that's what rpi-update was intended as
[18:11] <Hexxeh> save everybody the job of packaging
[18:11] <Hexxeh> especially since firmware updates so frequently
[18:11] <bact> but now everyone mostly uses wheezy
[18:11] <sam_nazarko> rpi-update is better. It can run x-distro without distro specific packaging
[18:12] <Hexxeh> so i've actually got a Python rewrite i've been playing with
[18:12] <Hexxeh> probably gonna shove it up on GitHub in a branch soon
[18:12] <sam_nazarko> awesome.
[18:12] <Hexxeh> pulls files from GitHub still right now
[18:12] <Hexxeh> which is kinda slower than i'd like
[18:12] <sam_nazarko> I think my time will be taken on the camera now.
[18:12] <Hexxeh> i need to play with my camera some more
[18:13] <sam_nazarko> I'm writing a SWIG interface
[18:13] <sam_nazarko> so people can use it from python
[18:13] <Hexxeh> awesome
[18:13] <Hexxeh> the camera code is open?
[18:13] <Hexxeh> oh wait, it's via openmax i guess
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[18:13] <sam_nazarko> There will be userland release which uses MMAL
[18:14] <sam_nazarko> but it's just hello_jpeg at the moment (which is on Git)
[18:14] <Hexxeh> ah, okay
[18:14] <sam_nazarko> https://github.com/samnazarko/libraspcam
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[18:14] <Hexxeh> sweet
[18:14] <sam_nazarko> I plan to make it a bit more friendly as at the moment it's very capable, but would require C knowledge to use or you'd be stuck with the demo app
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[18:15] <eggy> \o
[18:15] <sam_nazarko> they sent you a camera xD?
[18:15] <Hexxeh> yeah
[18:15] <sam_nazarko> What # did you have written on yours?
[18:15] <Hexxeh> 21
[18:15] <sam_nazarko> i had 9.
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[18:16] <Hexxeh> i need to pop down to Pi Towers at some point
[18:16] <Hexxeh> maybe next week
[18:16] <sam_nazarko> Same
[18:16] <sam_nazarko> i was planning next week too..
[18:16] <sam_nazarko> It's a distance for me (Surrey -> Cambridge)
[18:16] <Hexxeh> roughly 4 hours for me
[18:16] <sam_nazarko> would probably be about that to
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[18:16] <Firehopper> lol :)
[18:16] <Firehopper> its really far from me :)
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[18:17] <Firehopper> I'm on the other side of the pond :)
[18:17] <sam_nazarko> get these guys a box of twiglets
[18:17] <sam_nazarko> Ahh..
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[18:19] <eggie> ye.. the pi peoples are far away from me as well.
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[18:20] <Firehopper> I do plan on buying a camera.
[18:20] <Firehopper> I'm in eastern PA, USA
[18:20] <eggy> I'm not sure yet, as I don't know what I would use it for.
[18:21] <Hexxeh> i'm really surprised how nice the quality is
[18:21] <Hexxeh> the framerate, even is fairly poor light, is excellent
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[18:21] <sam_nazarko> shhh*
[18:21] <sam_nazarko> "Do not comment on the quality"
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[18:22] <Hexxeh> sam_nazarko: they've posted shots on the blog since that was said :)
[18:22] <sam_nazarko> yeahhhh true.
[18:22] <ReggieUK> what's the lowest framerate the camera can do?
[18:22] <sam_nazarko> The software has been improving a lot
[18:22] <ReggieUK> will it do snapshots of varying length exposure?
[18:23] <Hexxeh> i must admit the height of my playing around with it so far has just been to get it working and check out the live video preview
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[18:23] <ReggieUK> or is it a mainly video based unit with snapshots as a feature of being able to pull frames from a stream?
[18:23] <Hexxeh> i do have an intended use for it, not there yet though
[18:23] <sam_nazarko> Same Hexxeh -- just streamed to mplayerso far
[18:23] <mrmoney2012> possible to control an controlling electric toy switch with raspberry pi gpio pins ?
[18:23] <sam_nazarko> V4L would be nice
[18:23] <mrmoney2012> duplo lego train
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[18:24] <Hexxeh> V4L, you say?
[18:24] <Hexxeh> that /would/ be nice...
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[18:24] <mrmoney2012> it is powered by 4x AA batteries
[18:25] <sam_nazarko> someone needs to write the driver for it.
[18:25] <sam_nazarko> And it does not look trivial..
[18:25] <eggy> I'd like to power my rpi on batteries, but I lack the know how to build such a power supply :/
[18:25] <Hexxeh> i still need to buy a model A and fit it inside my lapdock
[18:26] <Hexxeh> having it stuck on a hinge at the back isn't quite so slick as i'd like
[18:26] <Undertasker> Use 4 nicads = 5V
[18:26] <t3ch> eggy: battery + lm723 | lm319
[18:26] <t3ch> :)
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[18:26] <t3ch> better 2 batteries so when one is almost empty start using second and start charge first
[18:26] <eggy> I haven't got a clue what you mean by that ;-)
[18:27] <t3ch> google lm723
[18:27] <t3ch> chip
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[18:27] <t3ch> and u have upc
[18:27] <Undertasker> Lm723 < stoneage
[18:27] <Firehopper> 4 nicads = 4.8 volts..
[18:27] <SwK> eggy: http://www.amazon.com/PowerGen-External-Blackberry-Sensation-Thunderbolt/dp/B005VBNYDS/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1364146049&sr=1-3&keywords=usb+battery+pack that
[18:27] <Firehopper> not enough..
[18:28] <t3ch> ups
[18:28] <t3ch> :)
[18:28] <Firehopper> and AA's wont supply enough current
[18:28] <Firehopper> your gonna need C or D ish size cells.
[18:28] <Undertasker> It is enough, trust me
[18:28] <Firehopper> or a lipo
[18:28] <SwK> just get a pre-built USB battery pack
[18:28] <t3ch> undertasker lm723 can set voltage and current
[18:28] <t3ch> :)
[18:28] <eggy> SwK, see that's all I was looking for ;)
[18:29] <SwK> eggy: I have a 10000mAh one
[18:29] <Firehopper> I'm going to use a specal switching regulator from ti, its adjustable, and provides up to 6amps
[18:29] <Undertasker> Overkill
[18:29] <SwK> eggy: I have this one and it works great??? its a little large, but 10Ah gives me about 14hrs of run time http://www.amazon.com/Lightning-Sensation-Thunderbolt-connectors-customized/dp/B009USAJCC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1364146143&sr=1-1&keywords=usb+battery+pack
[18:30] <Hexxeh> sam_nazarko: any idea if the camera cable is some kind of standard cable? i could do with a longer one
[18:30] <SwK> eggy: thats a loose estimate on run time, I've never actually put a timer on it to see where it dies
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[18:30] <eggy> alright, that doesn't sound too bad =)
[18:30] <Hexxeh> so i can perch it on top of my lapdock screen
[18:31] <eggy> been thinking about a laptop 'dock' also, but they all look like I'd have to modify them to allow the pi to connect.
[18:31] <sam_nazarko> Hexxeh: Spoke to Dom about this and he said it's specialised. Because I got some weird results (could nto connect to camera component) and thought it was the cable which got a bit mangled in the post
[18:31] <Firehopper> Undertasker, yeah but I had one lyin around :)
[18:31] <sam_nazarko> Hexxeh: turned out to just be a firmware issue though
[18:32] <Hexxeh> sam_nazarko: i had that problem too, turned out to be the same thing
[18:32] <Firehopper> and I'll use it to provide 5 volts from the 12volt supply to the lcd.
[18:32] <sam_nazarko> I'm sure you won't be the only one to need a longer/replacement cable so I assume they will be on sale
[18:32] <Hexxeh> sam_nazarko: awesome
[18:32] <bact> sam_nazarko: shame it's not like the gpio where you can repurpose any old floppy drive cable
[18:32] <SwK> I was thinking about maybe getting a couple of LiPo's and building a charger/regulator to go with them along with a low voltage auto shutdown but meh
[18:32] <sam_nazarko> Hexxeh: and then I had an issue where the light turned on but just started hanging
[18:32] <sam_nazarko> bact: would be too thick
[18:32] <Hexxeh> i'm kinda surprised nobody has started selling raspberry pi laptops
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[18:32] <sam_nazarko> Hexxeh: *ca ching*
[18:32] <bact> Hexxeh: because it's a terrible idea
[18:32] <Hexxeh> you could easily build a pretty slim plastic shell that a model A fits into
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[18:32] <Hexxeh> bact: why so?
[18:32] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/8571797873/in/photostream < Undertasker
[18:33] <SwK> Hexxeh: theres no power management???
[18:33] <Hexxeh> i get like 5 hours out of my pi laptop...
[18:33] <SwK> Hexxeh: and what happens when the batteries run out?
[18:33] <Hexxeh> it dies, like any other laptop
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[18:33] <Hexxeh> so sure, there's no graceful shutdown, but who cares
[18:33] <Hexxeh> have a battery indicator on the casing like the lapdock does
[18:34] <SwK> anyone that runs a *nix filesystem cares...
[18:34] <Hexxeh> if the casing alerts you to the fact the battery is low, you can shutdown manually
[18:34] <sam_nazarko> All the Pi SD card corruption is easily resolved with initramfs and fsck
[18:34] <SwK> no graceful shutdown inevitably leads to corrupted filesystem
[18:34] <Hexxeh> there's a small 5 segment battery indicator on the lapdock
[18:34] <Hexxeh> and a red light that flashes when it's getting low
[18:34] <Hexxeh> plenty of warning
[18:35] <SwK> that only works if you happen to be paying attention to it
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[18:35] <Hexxeh> well, the fact there's no power management wouldn't deter me from buying one
[18:35] <Hexxeh> put it that way
[18:35] <sam_nazarko> ext4 is pretty reliable.
[18:35] <Hexxeh> i bet if somebody put a kickstarter up for that with a nice design
[18:35] <Hexxeh> it'd go very well
[18:35] <sam_nazarko> Don't worry, there's no power management on my laptop either. My Samsung Series 9 in Linux does not detect ACPI state changes, so think it's permenantly on charge.
[18:36] <SwK> it would be cheaper and better to just redesign the board
[18:36] <sam_nazarko> Means I have to adjust power management manually.
[18:36] <SwK> and have one purpose built???
[18:36] <Hexxeh> kinda misses the point though
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[18:37] <SwK> because laptop rpi's have already been done??? wheres unaclocker hiding heh
[18:37] <Hexxeh> sure, i have one on my desk here
[18:37] <Hexxeh> it's just not practical for most people, soldering a new HDMI connector isn't so easy
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[18:37] <eggy> yes, they have ;-)
[18:37] <eggy> (I want one.. sorta)
[18:37] <Firehopper> I only have my pi plate :)
[18:37] <SwK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E89s2h9swIc <--- that
[18:39] <Hexxeh> i prefer mine: http://i.imgur.com/Ln33Dh.jpg
[18:39] <Hexxeh> proper laptop form factor
[18:39] <SwK> thats a lapdock tho
[18:40] <Hexxeh> yes
[18:40] <eggy> the 'mobile' pi gets expensive tho
[18:40] <Hexxeh> i'd like like to gut a spare Cr-48 and build it into a Pi laptop but i've not gotten around to it
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[18:40] <eggy> once you factor in all various costs of the parts
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[18:41] <SwK> yes it does
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[18:41] <sam_nazarko> githubs https redirect is so slow..
[18:42] <SwK> even cramming a rpi into desk phone is starting to get a tad expensive lol
[18:42] <Hexxeh> $130 on ebay for a cr-48
[18:42] <Hexxeh> that's working, you could get a broken one cheaper
[18:42] <Hexxeh> just need one with a working battery and display
[18:43] <eggy> I still have my cr48.. barely use it
[18:43] <Hexxeh> there's plenty of space in the casing for the Pi and some other hardware (wifi, SSD, maybe even 3G)
[18:43] <Hexxeh> still got mine too
[18:43] <Hexxeh> i don't really use it anymore, my Pixel replaced it
[18:43] <payroll> Did you get it for free from Google?
[18:43] <Hexxeh> yeah
[18:43] <eggy> yes
[18:43] <payroll> Lucky. I wasnt chosen haha
[18:43] <Hexxeh> i was visiting Google at the time
[18:43] <eggy> I moved from chrome os to android
[18:43] <eggy> i have a tablet that replaced the cr-48
[18:44] <payroll> Ah I live in Mountain View but that didn't appear to matter lol
[18:44] <payroll> How's the Pixel Hexxeh?
[18:44] <Hexxeh> awesome
[18:44] <Hexxeh> most of my laptop usage is on it now
[18:44] <payroll> Awesome. I still have to play with one, haven't seen one yet
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[18:45] <Firehopper> what issa pixel?
[18:45] <SwK> I'm just waiting on parts to finnish turning my old western electric 2500 into a video phone lol
[18:45] <Hexxeh> Firehopper: http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebook-pixel/
[18:45] * ChanServ sets mode +o ukscone
[18:45] <eggy> wow expensive :/
[18:45] <payroll> Beat me to it. Web browsing on Pi isnt so fast haha
[18:45] <eggy> but it looks pretty slick.
[18:46] <payroll> Ive heard great things about the display
[18:46] <Hexxeh> it's the best display i've ever seen, hands down
[18:46] <payroll> Have you seen a retina MBP compared to it? Which looks better?
[18:46] <Hexxeh> i have both on my desk here
[18:46] <Hexxeh> the Pixel, in my opinion
[18:46] <payroll> Haha look at you!
[18:46] <eggy> yeah, that display looks really good.
[18:46] <payroll> That's awesome
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[18:49] <Hexxeh> so hmm, ~60k clients lets say, a firmware update on average once a week of about 90MB
[18:49] <Hexxeh> that's... a lot of bandwidth
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[18:49] <Firehopper> sounds like a lot
[18:49] <Hexxeh> 5.1TB per week by my count
[18:50] <Hexxeh> $750ish a week if I used Google Storage
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[18:50] <Hexxeh> the delta probably isn't 90MB though
[18:51] <sam_nazarko> Use the Raspberry Pi CDN
[18:51] <sam_nazarko> they have Velocix
[18:51] <sam_nazarko> I'm tapping into it for http://download.raspbmc.com
[18:51] <Hexxeh> oh? how'd i get access to that?
[18:52] <sam_nazarko> they just rsync periodically
[18:52] <sam_nazarko> then Liam can give you access to downloads.raspberrypi.org probably.
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[18:52] <sam_nazarko> Issue is Velocix does not like MD5 hashes.
[18:53] <Hexxeh> I can give access to myself? awesome ;)
[18:53] <sam_nazarko> As in I have to force a resync about twice to get it up to date
[18:53] <sam_nazarko> Liam fraser @ Mythic Beasts
[18:53] <Hexxeh> i might run a small beta on a single dedi see how things go
[18:53] <Hexxeh> get some data on what the real world bandwidth usage is
[18:54] <Hexxeh> maybe with proper deltas it could be handled with just a couple machines
[18:54] <sam_nazarko> I've got a pee-poor PHP script to handle load balancing based on region
[18:54] <sam_nazarko> does the trick
[18:55] <sam_nazarko> http://svn.stmlabs.com/svn/raspbmc/cdn/
[18:55] <sam_nazarko> mod_rewrite to preserve the URI
[18:55] <Hexxeh> well I'm gonna have the app running on App Engine, so I can figure out the right box to send them to there
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[18:55] <sam_nazarko> that'll work
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[18:58] <Firehopper> Hexxeh, what about making a X version? :>
[18:58] <Hexxeh> eww :P
[18:58] <Hexxeh> I don't do GUIs
[18:58] <Hexxeh> but it'll be usable as a Python library if somebody wants to make one
[18:58] * Firehopper laughs :)
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[18:59] <nid0> depending on the pops you want, you could do your 20TB traffic/month for less than $500 through cdn.net
[18:59] <sam_nazarko> Just use Zenity or something
[19:00] <sam_nazarko> Zenity is compatible with dialog
[19:00] <Hexxeh> huh
[19:00] <Hexxeh> interesting idea
[19:00] <Hexxeh> p2p firmware updates
[19:00] <sam_nazarko> so you can pretty much have an X and command line version
[19:00] <sam_nazarko> Torrents could work, yes
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[19:00] <Hexxeh> well, not quite torrents
[19:00] <Hexxeh> remember how i said that large chunks of the binaries won't have changed?
[19:01] <Hexxeh> there's no need to distribute those chunks twice
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[19:03] <sam_nazarko> true
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[19:13] <Hexxeh> heh, that was a good prediction
[19:13] <Hexxeh> just diffed the last two versions of start.elf
[19:13] <Hexxeh> it's a 2.5MB file
[19:13] <Hexxeh> only 145 bytes changed
[19:13] <Hexxeh> yet we redownload the entire thing
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[19:14] <Firehopper> maybe make it so it does diffs?
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> I thought the days of worrying about modem speed downloads were over...
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[19:14] <gordonDrogon> although maybe I'm just getting lazy...
[19:15] <Hexxeh> Firehopper: that's the plan
[19:15] <Hexxeh> but diffs only let you update version x -> version y
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[19:15] <Firehopper> although Hexxeh, I cant complain about speed.. that script of yours saturates my bandwidth already :)
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[19:16] <Hexxeh> how long does it take to run?
[19:16] <Firehopper> maybe 5 mins total?
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[19:16] <Firehopper> I think..
[19:16] <Firehopper> I dont remember..
[19:16] <Hexxeh> i bet we can get that down to 15 seconds
[19:16] <Firehopper> I ran it this morning, but didnt time it..
[19:17] <Firehopper> so I cant run it again and get proper numbers
[19:17] <bact> can't you do what google does with chrome and only send the new bits?
[19:17] <Firehopper> bact thats what he wants to do :)
[19:17] <Hexxeh> pretty much
[19:18] <bact> Hexxeh: you're an intern there right? Can you just walk up the guy that implemented that and steal his code?
[19:18] <Hexxeh> i am
[19:18] <Hexxeh> isn't it open source?
[19:18] <bact> is it?
[19:19] <Hexxeh> yup, it is: http://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/software-updates-courgette
[19:19] <sam_nazarko> Hexxeh: never knew you interned there
[19:19] <Hexxeh> yeah i'm on the Chrome OS team
[19:20] <Hexxeh> Chrome OS doesn't use courgette iirc
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[19:21] <sam_nazarko> sounds good
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[19:25] <bact> I always thought the open source version didn't have the new update system
[19:25] <bact> that it was chrome builds only
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[19:26] <Hexxeh> i believe the actual update code is in there, but there's just no update server running for it
[19:26] <bact> goddamn paranoid fossers
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[19:29] <jelly1> what
[19:29] <jelly1> bact: we have package managers.
[19:30] <bact> jelly1: you're not a proper fosser if you don't build everything from source after checking the source for rootkits
[19:30] <jelly1> lolwut
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[19:31] * jelly1 is a packager for a distro
[19:31] <Hexxeh> i'd say it's more a case of if you're building Chromium, it's impossible to know what you've changed, so how can you have one master update server?
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[19:32] <jelly1> are we talking about updating chromiumOS or chromium the browser?
[19:32] <bact> there's a chomiumos too?!
[19:32] <Hexxeh> well, the same applies to both technically
[19:32] <Hexxeh> yes
[19:32] <jelly1> >_.
[19:33] <jelly1> Hexxeh: I prefer to let the distro package it
[19:33] * jelly1 doesn't have 32GB spare ram and a xeon
[19:33] <bact> why would anyone intentionally install chromiumos on an already functioning laptop?
[19:33] * Hexxeh did just that...
[19:33] <jelly1> bact: cause he can?
[19:33] <bact> but you'd lose so much functionality
[19:33] <jelly1> ugh
[19:34] <bact> chromeos is great for the elderly, but that's about it
[19:34] <jelly1> bact: freedom of choice, ever heard of it?
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[19:34] <Hexxeh> gee, i'm using a macbook pro right now, what've I got open? chrome, spotify and a couple shells
[19:34] <odin_> is there a tool for resizing the 2GB 2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.img file to the SD card size and then writing it out sparsely (minimum number of blocks writes)
[19:34] <Hexxeh> do i really need OS X to do that? nope
[19:34] <Twist-> bact: you're in a raspberry pi channel. are you seriously expecting traction arguing against playing with suboptimal computers or software for entertainment value?
[19:34] <Hexxeh> (the only reason I'm not using my Pixel is because it's in my car and i can't be bothered going getting it)
[19:35] <bact> Twist-: I wouldn't use a pi as a desktop replacement
[19:35] <jelly1> bact: but you can
[19:35] <Hexxeh> i did that for a week once
[19:35] <Hexxeh> it was interesting
[19:35] <bact> it's not advisable
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[19:35] <Hexxeh> it's interesting just how much i can get done with it
[19:35] <bact> have they got a proper driver for x yet?
[19:35] <Hexxeh> define "proper driver"
[19:35] <bact> accelerated
[19:35] <Twist-> bact: again. entertainment value.
[19:36] <jelly1> there will never be one for X bact
[19:36] <Hexxeh> define: accelerated
[19:36] <Twist-> bact: they're having fun.
[19:36] <Hexxeh> jelly1: there is one for X
[19:36] <jelly1> orly
[19:36] <bact> Hexxeh: hardware accelerated
[19:36] <Hexxeh> yes
[19:36] <Hexxeh> https://github.com/simonjhall/fbdev_exa
[19:36] <Hexxeh> go nuts
[19:36] <Hexxeh> it's in the latest raspbian i think?
[19:36] <jelly1> woot
[19:36] <Hexxeh> it just doesn't really solve the problem
[19:37] <Hexxeh> the core issue is that X sucks :P
[19:37] <Hexxeh> it's just largely masked on modern systems because there's bags of CPU to spare
[19:37] <bact> Hexxeh: he hasn't updated it all beyond an initial release
[19:37] <Twist-> Hexxeh: where the problem is that people are crying about the performance of a $25 computer? :D
[19:37] <bact> Twist-: the problem was that it was marketed as a desktop replacement
[19:37] <Hexxeh> bact: i'm not sure if he's going to take it any further, whilst he's done some fantastic work, it's not had the visible performance improvement most people would liked to have seen
[19:37] <jelly1> lolwhen
[19:38] <jelly1> bact: you can replace your desktop with it
[19:38] <Hexxeh> what would help a lot is if there was a DDX with support for EGL context creation
[19:38] <bact> jelly1: when the bbc got a hold of the story last year
[19:38] <jelly1> bact: stop being so silly
[19:38] <Twist-> bact: The Pi? It's been marketed as an educational toy for children.
[19:38] <bact> Twist-: unfortunately not
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[19:38] <neure> hmm
[19:38] <Twist-> No, that was its primary purpose.
[19:38] <linuxstb> bact: Who was marketing it as a desktop replacement?
[19:39] <bact> linuxstb: the media
[19:39] <jelly1> bact: you can replace your desktop with it
[19:39] <bact> jelly1: try running a browser then come back
[19:39] <jelly1> bact: w3m works
[19:39] <bact> I'm not familiar with w3m
[19:39] <Firehopper> browsers work.
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[19:39] <jelly1> too bad
[19:40] <bact> a text based browser?
[19:40] <Firehopper> a little slow, but hey, it is slow :)
[19:40] <bact> that's unrealistic
[19:40] <linuxstb> bact: That's not marketing then, that's inaccurate reviewing
[19:40] <jelly1> bact: depends on your demands..
[19:40] <Hexxeh> bact: so thats just because we don't have an accelerated browser
[19:40] <jelly1> I bet the cpu is more of a problem the the gpu
[19:40] <Hexxeh> Chromium supports accelerated rendering via EGL, there's just no DDX
[19:40] <Firehopper> I've always heard it advertized as a hackers toy/educational thing :)
[19:41] <bact> I'm sticking by my opinion that the raspberrypi does not function very well with a gui and shouldn't be used as a desktop replacement
[19:41] <bact> it works great as little micro servers
[19:41] <bact> and for home automation
[19:41] <Twist-> bact: I don't think anyone would seriously argue that your opinion on that topic is incorrect.
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> it works fine with a GUI for specific purposes.
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[19:41] <bact> gordonDrogon: for me, gui = x
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> but maybe not what we might call "generic desktop" day to day stuff that we do today.
[19:42] <Hexxeh> i'm still convinced you could make a viable day to day machine from a Pi
[19:42] <jelly1> bact: buy a beagleboard or such :P
[19:42] <Twist-> bact: We're just finding it confusing that you ever expected it to be so. That has not ever been the goal of the project.
[19:42] <jelly1> Hexxeh: sure you can ,w3m + mutt + terminal
[19:42] <bact> Hexxeh: maybe one day we'll see a similar project with true open hardware
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> actually, it does work for me - but I tend to live in a text world - so the GUI is just a way to manage xterms for me. alpine email, vim editor, latex for text formatting.
[19:43] <Hexxeh> bact: oh dear, don't go all OpenBSD on me :(
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> even chromium is usable as long as you treat it lightly as not load it up with dozens of tabs.
[19:43] <bact> I just hate the idea of binary blobs
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[19:43] <jelly1> bact: sure the binary blobs are stupid
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> I actually have the same GUI on my Pi's as my main workstation - xfce4
[19:43] <Twist-> bact: They're already starting to appear. It may help to think of the Pi as a watershed moment in the evolution of cheap computing power, rather than some final state.
[19:43] <Hexxeh> you probably can't buy any modern machine that doesn't use a binary blob in some way these days
[19:44] <bact> it's an old chip, why do they need to hide behind binaries
[19:44] <jelly1> but I am suprised how broadcom opened the chip bact
[19:44] <Hexxeh> SD cards, HDDs both contain firmware
[19:44] <jelly1> bact: email broadcom
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> the videocore4 is still a viable product.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> AIUI.
[19:44] <bact> jelly1: eben works for broadcom.. hell he even designed part of the gpu
[19:44] <jelly1> and who is eben?
[19:44] <bact> jelly1: O.o
[19:44] <jelly1> bact: idc, ask broadcom
[19:45] <bact> jelly1: eben upton, the founder of the raspberrypi project
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> I've worked for gpu/supter computer companies in hte past - even with an evolving product (which I'm sure the broadcom one is), you still have highly confidential company secrets and patens and you have to stay ahead of the competition..
[19:45] <jelly1> k
[19:45] <ReggieUK> + there is all the 3rd party codec IP in there
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> if broadcom were to open up the gpu then everyone else would just go Hmmmm.. Ah yes ... We can make our better by ...
[19:46] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: which still doesn't justify binary blobs :P, but enough whining :P
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[19:46] <ReggieUK> that has nothing to do with open source
[19:46] <bact> gordonDrogon: TI did a good job of releasing open hardware
[19:46] <Hexxeh> bact: still had the closed source bootloader
[19:46] <bact> I believe the hardware on the galaxy nexus was quite open
[19:46] <ReggieUK> no it wasn't
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[19:46] <ReggieUK> go find me the sourcecode for the mfc :D
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[19:47] <ReggieUK> if the nexus etc. was open, the binaries wouldn't be linked to seperately by cyanogenmod :)
[19:47] <bact> it had an omap 4
[19:47] <Firehopper> look at the google G1 or dream, for making your own version of the OS you had to yank some binary blobs from the phone before You could compile your own version of the os.
[19:50] <ReggieUK> either way, the nexus uses a PowerVR SGX540 and that isn't open source
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[19:52] <neure> is there a channel for raspberrypi programming?
[19:52] <Hexxeh> #raspberrypi-dev
[19:52] <neure> thanks
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[19:53] <bact> neure: the raspberry pi is just another computer, you might be better off looking for language specific programming channels
[19:54] <neure> which channel should i ask what is resolution if not using X11?
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[19:54] <pa> hi, why on my pi "enable networking" e "enable wireless" are greyed out?
[19:55] <andrewvos> pa: Do you have a wireless usb thing?
[19:55] <pa> yes
[19:55] <andrewvos> pa: And is your ethernet cable plugged in?
[19:55] <andrewvos> pa: Oh ok weird.
[19:55] <pa> too, yes
[19:56] <pa> and i can actually see a bunch of wifis in the widget
[19:56] <pa> but if i right click
[19:56] <andrewvos> pa: Hae you rebooted it?
[19:56] <pa> but enable networking and enable wireless are grey and unselected
[19:56] <pa> yes
[19:56] <pa> but i can do it once more
[19:56] <andrewvos> What distribution are you running on it?
[19:56] <pa> i just wanted to use nm to configure a wireless access point without pain
[19:57] <pa> but i cant do if "enable wireless" is unselected
[19:57] <pa> i use raspbian
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[19:57] <andrewvos> pa: Made any changes to your config lately?
[19:58] <pa> just overclocking
[19:58] <pa> and i bring up a vpn using the network manager command line client
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[19:59] <pa> i even get this:
[19:59] <pa> nmcli nm
[19:59] <pa> running connected enabled enabled enabled disabled
[19:59] <andrewvos> I would make a rough guess that it doesn't have enough power, but I got my first Pi like two days ago so you might disregard that :)
[19:59] <andrewvos> http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#Enabling_Interface_Management
[19:59] <andrewvos> That might help too ^
[19:59] <pa> so according to nmcli it is enabled..
[20:00] <pa> thanks
[20:00] <pa> i check
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[20:16] <andrewvos> pa: Any luck?
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[20:16] <pa> well, so far i logged out the vnc session, logged in with standard session, and networking is enabled
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[20:17] <pa> but i had to remove the wifi to plug the mouse
[20:17] <pa> so now i am trying to install x11vnc instead
[20:17] <andrewvos> pa: Maybe it is a power issue
[20:17] <pa> i doubt, because i can see scanned wireless networks
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[20:17] <andrewvos> Oh yeah true
[20:17] <andrewvos> Weird
[20:18] <andrewvos> Is that wireless (dongle?) known to be supported?
[20:19] <pa> it says so
[20:19] <pa> i think the problem is really within network manager
[20:20] <pa> because if the dongle can scan the networks, then it means that it works
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[20:20] <gyeben> hi everybody
[20:21] <ShadowJK> I've had ones that could scan but not connect to anything, both in linux and windows :)
[20:23] <gyeben> can I use the HDMI output and the analogue sound output of the pi at the same time?
[20:24] <bact> gyeben: yes
[20:24] <pa> hmm
[20:24] <pa> i donno, i have a full driver package from the vendor
[20:24] <pa> but that includes also hostap, wpasupplicant, and a bunch of other stuff
[20:25] <pa> so if i go for compiling and installing that one, it will probably mess up half raspbian
[20:25] <gyeben> bact: thanks
[20:26] <bact> gyeben: amixer cset numid=3 <n>, where n is 0=auto, 1=headphones, 2=hdmi.
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[20:28] <FergyA> anybody here have any experience with recording a webcam using a pi? I'm trying to capture a raw mjpeg stream from my camera, but im having major buffer underflow problems
[20:29] <FergyA> ffmpeg is such a huge pain
[20:29] <jelly1> FergyA: do you have swap?
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[20:29] <bact> FergyA: I had sucess with motion
[20:29] <FergyA> swap as in a swap file? if so yes, but according to htop its never used
[20:30] <bact> *success
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[20:30] <FergyA> hmmm, i was wondering about that
[20:30] <FergyA> can motion capture video? from what I was seeing it just did frame grabs
[20:31] <chupacabra> luvcview -s 320x240
[20:31] <chupacabra> works for me
[20:31] <FergyA> my main problem there is I want something that doesnt reencode
[20:31] <FergyA> as i cant slam the cpu
[20:31] <bact> FergyA: I used motion for a 320x340 mjpeg stream
[20:32] <FergyA> which is why ffmpeg with a vcodec of copy is perfect, but the dang thing underflows 30 seconds in
[20:32] <bact> the only issue I had was it didn't work with the full res
[20:32] <FergyA> the 30 seconds it does get look amazing though
[20:33] <FergyA> ill give motion a try though
[20:34] <bact> FergyA: I used this tutorial, http://pingbin.com/2012/12/raspberry-pi-web-cam-server-motion/
[20:34] <FergyA> awesome, thanks
[20:35] <FergyA> did you have it outputting to a web server? or a file?
[20:35] <bact> a webserver
[20:36] <FergyA> blah
[20:36] <bact> I stopped doing it because my webcam whined too much
[20:36] <FergyA> lol
[20:36] <FergyA> yeah, ive found plenty of people streaming to web
[20:36] <bact> I probably shouldn't have bought the cheapest webcam I could find
[20:36] <FergyA> but saving to a file is a whole nother story
[20:37] <bact> FergyA: I didn't stream it to the outer web, just locally so I could open the stream on vlc or a browser
[20:37] <FergyA> well heres my application
[20:37] <FergyA> im launching a rocket... with a raspberry pi on board
[20:37] <FergyA> and a webcam that should record the flight
[20:37] <FergyA> soooo, streaming to web isnt exactly going to work :P
[20:37] <FergyA> as i dont have a connection to it
[20:38] <bact> there were some guys who sent their pi into space
[20:38] <payroll> That will be real cool to see when you get it working
[20:38] <FergyA> yeah, i read that, they were only capping stills though
[20:38] <FergyA> they did video with a gopro
[20:38] <bact> FergyA: got a blog we could follow?
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[20:39] <FergyA> we do have a blog, but i havent done much technical yammering on it
[20:39] <FergyA> http://blog.rocketowls.com/
[20:40] <bact> how long would these two 9v batteries last?
[20:41] <FergyA> those are just for the altimeters, and in testing theyve lasted over 18h
[20:41] <FergyA> we have an 8400mAh battery pack for the pi
[20:41] <bact> ah
[20:41] <bact> looks cool
[20:41] <FergyA> basically the pi is serving as a data logger for all the sensors on the arduino, for the gps, and if i can get it working the webcam
[20:42] <FergyA> and also has an xbee to transmit it all back to us after it lands
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[20:43] <bact> FergyA: you know consumer gps' are designed to stop working after certain speeds/heights right?
[20:43] <FergyA> yessir
[20:43] <bact> cool cool
[20:43] <Hexxeh> bact: designed to?
[20:43] <Hexxeh> huh
[20:43] <bact> Hexxeh: to stop them being used to control missles
[20:43] <payroll> Interesting
[20:43] <Hexxeh> wow, i did not know that
[20:43] <bact> Hexxeh: terrorists etc
[20:43] <Hexxeh> on what level?
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[20:44] <FergyA> our gps supposedly is only rated for 4gs, and we're expecting to pull 8, but the hope is at apogee itll reconnect
[20:44] <FergyA> which is what typically happens according to the rocketry guys
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[20:44] <FergyA> once you're off thrust the gps is fine
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[20:45] <Hexxeh> huh, interesting: http://blog.makezine.com/2011/07/25/gps-units-disable-themselves-if-they-go-faster-than-1200-mph/
[20:45] <bact> Hexxeh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#Restrictions_on_civilian_use
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[20:45] <FergyA> lucky for us we're only going about mach 1 :P
[20:46] <Hexxeh> does the same limitation apply to GLONASS?
[20:46] <bact> ask the russians
[20:47] <Hexxeh> i'd imagine not
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[20:51] <FergyA> as it is 30 seconds is probably long enough to record the entire ascent, ill just have to write some code so it just starts recording the moment the gps kicks off lol
[20:52] <FergyA> or i could rip data from the arduino stream and use the barometer
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[20:54] <bact> FergyA: http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/north-korean-missile-launch-gif.gif
[20:54] <FergyA> lol!!!
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[20:55] <FergyA> anyhow, ive gotta go down to a machine shop to get some parts made, thanks for the advice guys
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[20:56] <payroll> Good luck!
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[21:46] <pa> anyone with experience with 8188CUS usb dongles and master mode?
[21:47] <steve_rox> yay my rpi file system self destructed again
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[21:48] <Gadgetoid> Gem build wiringpi-1.1.1??? not much of an update, but that pin 27 thing is irritating
[21:48] <steve_rox> then i loaded xbmc which self destructed allso
[21:49] <Gadgetoid> Curious. Bringing 27 low crashes my Pi
[21:49] <trentg> steve_rox, are you running overclocked?
[21:49] <pa> i keep getting "operation not permitted" at every iwconfig i issue (as root)
[21:49] <pa> wtf?
[21:50] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: trying to do shiny things with the ladder board again!
[21:50] <steve_rox> it auto overclocked as desired
[21:50] <steve_rox> xbmc updated itself and died
[21:51] <trentg> overclocking kills the fs for me
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[21:51] <steve_rox> well the xbmc was not configured to oc
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[21:52] <steve_rox> how annoying eh
[21:53] <steve_rox> wanted to use xbmc to see if i can make it use that fsck or whatever it was
[21:53] <steve_rox> may be a small chance it can repair it
[21:53] <steve_rox> hmm windows on here driveing me nuts "your disk is full clean me!" all the time
[21:54] <steve_rox> need to find the reg key for that
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[21:55] <steve_rox> now xbmc setup mocks me , it implys i like "coffee"
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[21:57] <ring0> the soc on the rpi is a BCM2835, correct?
[21:58] <dansan> yes
[21:59] <ring0> is there a standard hardware documentation on it?
[21:59] <dansan> I have an SPI question. I've been reading that the BCM2835 only has 2x SPI controllers and that each one only has 3 chip select lines and that we can only use one of the SPI buses as the other is used for the MMC & such. So if you need more CS lines than 3, can you use GPIO for that and still benefit from the SPI controller (i.e., not have to bit bang it all)?
[21:59] <dansan> ring0: yeah, there's a datasheet
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[22:01] <dansan> can't find the url yet though
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[22:07] <Gadgetoid> Any Pi Rubyists on?
[22:07] <ring0> dansan, found it, thanks
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[22:10] <steve_rox> rpi loves corrupting itself today
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[22:14] <dansan> ring0: good, I have it on my hard drive, but I couldn't figure out where I downloaded it from :(
[22:15] <ring0> dansan, if you need it again: http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
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[22:16] <dansan> thanks!!
[22:16] <dansan> I want to bookmark it :)
[22:17] <eggy> test
[22:18] <dansan> test
[22:23] * gyeben would like to know what are people testing
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[22:27] <Gadgetoid> gyeben: I'm fighting tooth and nail the reality that everyone likes Python for some reason
[22:27] <Gadgetoid> Whoops!
[22:27] <Gadgetoid> Yay! Working softTone
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[22:27] <Gadgetoid> Who needs piezos when you can blink an LED at a bazillion hz
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[22:29] <bact> Gadgetoid: php > *
[22:30] <Gadgetoid> bact: Yeah, if you assume the asterisk to be a really really crude representation of??? err??? nevermind!
[22:30] <bact> for the web anyway
[22:30] <bact> Gadgetoid: the * represents a wildcard
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[22:30] <bact> Gadgetoid: so, I'm saying, php is greater than all
[22:31] <Gadgetoid> Not sure, I'm liking Ruby a lot for the web, but it's such a massively different approach it's hard to transition to
[22:31] <bact> does ruby do oop?
[22:31] <Gadgetoid> Ruby does everything, and then its cat
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[22:32] <Gadgetoid> It's made me dislike many aspects of PHP, anyway
[22:32] <Gadgetoid> Just don't get involved with Rails??? you'll end up learning Rails instead of Ruby
[22:32] <Gadgetoid> It'd be like learning Zend instead of PHP
[22:33] <bact> is vanilla ruby suitable for webdev?
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[22:34] <Gadgetoid> bact: I'd suggest Sinatra, it's what I use for my Pi blog
[22:34] <Gadgetoid> At the most fundamental level, you can treat it as a basic route handler
[22:35] <bact> I've got a phobia of extensions
[22:35] <bact> I just vanilla php
[22:35] <bact> *just use
[22:35] <Gadgetoid> So serving a page like '/user/119283' would be as simple as: get '/user/:user_id' do // end
[22:35] <Gadgetoid> You can build a website in vanilla Ruby as long as you don't mind implementing the whole http protocol from the ground up!
[22:36] <Gadgetoid> Which, in some cases, is desirable
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[22:37] <Gadgetoid> Just realised why I don't maintain my WiringPi-<lang> wrappers as often as I should??? my head huurttsss
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[22:37] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, are you?
[22:38] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I like softTone, it's blinking LED nirvana
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> softTone wasn't designed to light LEDs - connect a speaker to a GPIO line :)
[22:39] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Pffftt??? but??? the LEDs!!!
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> the ladder board has space for one of those tiny round piezeo things...
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, the softPwm is for the LEDs :)
[22:39] <bact> Gadgetoid: looks like 6/10 search results for ruby stuff result in ruby on rails, that must be a pain in the ass
[22:39] <Gadgetoid> I need to build a whole test jig
[22:39] <Gadgetoid> softPwm and softTone are surely extremely similar?
[22:40] <Gadgetoid> bact: Yeah, I wont touch rails with a ten foot barge pole
[22:40] <bact> Gadgetoid: why's that?
[22:40] <Gadgetoid> bact: But it's a chore avoiding it, and all it's godawful mvc nonsense
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[22:41] <Gadgetoid> bact: It's basically a framework that does a lot of things for you, but only in its own specific way??? learn it, and you've protected yourself from learning anything actually useful about Ruby
[22:41] <bact> the nice thing about php is that someone has always already tried to do the same thing and documented
[22:41] <Gadgetoid> Sinatra isn't as bad, but I've got to admit I'd like to understand the whole stack from the ground up
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[22:42] <nsgn> howdy there. trying to run an app i wrote in python that is taxing the pi pretty hard. i'm on a card i flashed to the SD months ago. what is the current best/fastest kernel/distro/firmware to use?
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[22:43] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: softPwm is nice, too
[22:44] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'm trying to decide how to encapsulate these functions in Ruby, and how to manage/sanity check the usage of pins
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I decided to not santy check the pins ...
[22:44] <Gadgetoid> So softPwm might end up: my_pwm_pin = WiringPi::SoftPwm.new(0) and subsequently my_pwm_pin.write(n)
[22:45] <bact> nsgn: there's only one recommended firmware, and that's the latest https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[22:45] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'd noticed, there doesn't appear to be any need
[22:45] <Gadgetoid> softPwm beats softTone though
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[22:45] <gordonDrogon> it's designed to.
[22:45] <nsgn> bact, ok. cool. and is there some distro with a beta/nightly kernel or something recommended for those who are toying with performance but not caring if its "stable"?
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> they do different things.
[22:46] <bact> nsgn: imo raspbian is the best distro
[22:46] <Gadgetoid> Actually softPwm and softTone running on the same pin has some interesting results
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> er ...
[22:46] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I know, but softTone is a nice lazy way to blink an LED without blocking your program thread
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> softPwm doesn't block either.
[22:46] <nsgn> bact thx
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> and the mark:space ratio on softTone is always 50:50
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> oh - you're using really low frequencies - like 1Hz ?
[22:47] <Gadgetoid> Yup!
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> Gaaah..
[22:49] <Gadgetoid> I clearly don't understand softPwm, although "Wiringpi.softPwmCreate(0,0,10000)" slows down interactive Ruby something rotton
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> 10000? too big. 100 max.
[22:49] <Gadgetoid> I like the zeros
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[22:50] <gordonDrogon> assuming that's the range.
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> it shouldn't slow down anything though.
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[22:50] <Gadgetoid> softPwm works wonders, though, I'm totally looking forward to trying it on the PiBorg LED board
[22:50] <Gadgetoid> Yeah a range of 0,100 is fine, but setting an upper bound of 10000 caused slowdown, curious
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> I'll check the code...
[22:51] <Gadgetoid> I don't think Piborg has any support for PWM though, but it wont stop me trying
[22:51] <Gadgetoid> So, you have a rewrite pending?
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> done.
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> just not pushed it yet.
[22:52] <Gadgetoid> Lovely!
[22:52] <Gadgetoid> I'm trying to get back into the swing of things, I photographed your ladder board today
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> I wanted to chat to you about the python side of things.
[22:52] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, I've got to apply the same practise to that as to Ruby
[22:52] <Gadgetoid> Probably a version 2.0, a total rewrite and a total rethink about how it works and is structured
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi v2 can handle lots of GPIO chips and analog.
[22:53] <Gadgetoid> http://pi.gadgetoid.com/post/038-raspberry-pi-ladder-board
[22:53] <nsgn> another question; if i install the latest raspbian from the website am i on the latest kernel or is there a method to update if kernels are more current than the whole release?
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> so you just tell it you have an mcp23017 at pin-base 100 and you then have 16 more pins from 100 through 115...
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> digitalWrite(), etc. just works.
[22:53] <Gadgetoid> I noticed your new method of adding chips and assigning them new pin numbers
[22:54] <Gadgetoid> It looks extremely powerful, specially for simplifying program flow when dealing with multiple IO expanders
[22:54] <Gadgetoid> I'm going to need to build myself a pretty epic test rig to verify this stuff!
[22:55] <Gadgetoid> Currently using the ladder board to tinker, and will write some code examples of my flagrant softTone abuse
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> at least you got all the resistors in the same way round :)
[22:56] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, I messed one up on the quick2wire board!
[22:56] <Gadgetoid> The photos are yours to use if you need 'em!
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> thanks. got plenty though.
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> thinking of a new version of the ladder board.
[22:57] <Gadgetoid> Needs 14 LEDs
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> why?
[22:57] <jkbbwr> aaa801: Dude!
[22:57] <fr0g911> good morning
[22:57] <Gadgetoid> Hours, Minutes, Day of week :D
[22:57] <Gadgetoid> Binary clock obsession!
[22:57] <aaa801> sup jkbbwr
[22:57] <jkbbwr> aaa801: It didn't fix the problem.... Im getting bad reads off the HID
[22:57] <jkbbwr> :'(
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> ah right.
[22:58] <Gadgetoid> It would be nice if it included an IO expander or two, and had a header for every LED
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[22:58] <Gadgetoid> That's missing from the current ladder, I think, no header to expand upon it with, apart from the serial one
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> well... that then takes it into the category of Pi exapnder board - like quick 2i wire, gertboard, pi face..
[22:59] <Gadgetoid> I'd call it a hybrid, a stepping stone
[22:59] <Gadgetoid> All the basics there, but it'll get you a little further
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> a couple of things I found when I was in Manchester was that (a) schools have no money and (b) probably (guessing here, but based on speaking to a few people) a good %age of people/schools will buy piface just for the leds and switches.
[23:00] <Gadgetoid> I see, as buying up separate components is a hassle?
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[23:00] <payroll> Does anyone have Apple Extreme drive linked to Rapbian?
[23:00] <bact> no, noone
[23:01] <fr0g911> nope
[23:01] <payroll> Ha. Im getting mount error(22): Invalid argument when I try
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[23:03] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: will wiringPi 2.0 affect softPwm/softTone and things of that nature in any meaningful way? And can they be applied to expander pins?
[23:03] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, sudden urge to try PWMing a pin on an IO expander
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[23:04] <Gadgetoid> payroll: What's an Apple Extreme drive!?
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[23:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, won't affect anything and in-theory they can be applied to gpio expandes - if only they were's so slow.
[23:05] <payroll> Hard drive networking sharing via Apple Extreme
[23:05] <nsgn> payroll, you mean airport extreme?
[23:05] <payroll> Yes sorry
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> e.g. to put a single bit on on an I2C mcp23071 takes 3 bytes written at 100Kbits/sec.
[23:06] <jkbbwr> aaa801: yea known bug T_T
[23:06] <nsgn> Gadgetoid, a wireless router from apple with a USB port on it to connect and share a hard drive
[23:06] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, I both like and hate the mcp23071
[23:06] <Gadgetoid> nsgn: Thought so??? I used mine to power my Pi for a bit
[23:06] <nsgn> ha
[23:06] <Gadgetoid> Except I know it as "Airport" Extreme
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> and the mcp23s17 of-course and the 08 variants.
[23:06] <nsgn> was just about to tell him nobody else has those things but him
[23:06] <nsgn> but guess not
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> and shoft-registers work too.
[23:07] <payroll> Haha yeah I spaced out with the name
[23:07] <Gadgetoid> If you own a Mac, it was pretty much essential in the early draft-N days
[23:07] <Gadgetoid> Couldn't get any other blasted routed to work
[23:07] <Gadgetoid> router*
[23:07] <nsgn> yeah. draft n was pretty painful
[23:07] <nsgn> across the board
[23:07] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Oo, can you set up a shift register in WiringPi2.0?
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[23:08] <gordonDrogon> http://wiringpi.com/extensions/shift-register-74x595/
[23:08] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Good grief.
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> see also: http://wiringpi.com/about/testing-wiringpi-v2/
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> that may blow your mind somewhat.. ;-)
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[23:10] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: The code is beautiful, the testing rig is frankenstein
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[23:10] <Gadgetoid> Consider my mind blown. To smithereens!
[23:11] <Gadgetoid> I'm tempted to make my first foray into PCB design a wiringPi testing rig
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> so the shift-register array takes one bit from the mcp23017 (i2c), one bit from the mcp23S17 (spi) and one bit from the Pi's on-board gpio.
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> but the program for the test rig... anything else would be dozens of lines of register pokes, spi & i2c writes/etc. here it's just another digitalWrite () ...
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[23:13] <gordonDrogon> so any module that needs a "pin" can use a "pin" provided by any existing module - or the Pi's on-board gpio.
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[23:14] <bact> what does ? mean?
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> it means there's a character set issue somewhere - I think it's the caching front-end i'm using.
[23:14] <jkbbwr> Any idea if I will be able to contact company members on here? or is that unlikely
[23:15] <ReggieUK> very unlikely
[23:15] <nsgn> considering its an unofficial channel
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> it depends on what company - you can contact members of my company here :)
[23:15] <nsgn> albeit blessed...i think they bless and run
[23:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I did all the manual register pokes myself when first playing with the quick2wire board in Ruby, it's definitely painful to turn the i2c interface to the mcp23017 into anything remotely human friendly
[23:15] <bact> jkbbwr: if the foundations members frequented here, they'd probably have already been kicked.
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, it was the q2w board that got me onto v2.
[23:16] <jkbbwr> There is a 10 month old issue with the firmware, and I was wondering if I could track down any progress
[23:16] <Gadgetoid> What you've implemented is very close to what I wanted to achieve with a Ruby layer, but having it in C will make it perform beautifully
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> jkbbwr, best try the forums...
[23:16] <Gadgetoid> And should make it more consistent across the language wrappers, too!
[23:16] <jkbbwr> gordonDrogon: damn
[23:16] * chod looks in
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, the binary ABI has changed though - new library version, etc.
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> chod here has used it to test 2 x mcp23s17's connected together on a 32-bit GPIO card...
[23:17] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Looking forward to getting my hands on this stuff, I will start a brand new suite of projects for v2 I think, so much will change that it would be inelegant to do otherwise
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[23:18] <Gadgetoid> Not sure how I'll translate my ideas to the other languages, but I want Ruby to keep track of all the pins and let you do things like io.each_pin.write(1)
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> you an pick-up a pre-release at http://unicorn.drogon.net/wiringPi-2.1.tgz
[23:19] <Gadgetoid> Or io.each_pin { |pin| pin.write(HIGH) if pin.is_even? }
[23:19] <Gadgetoid> Manually tracking pins in an array is ugly
[23:20] <jkbbwr> or c# foreach(var pin in pins){ if (pin.IsEven) { pin.write(HIGH) }}
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[23:22] <gordonDrogon> anyway, zed time for me. early start tomorrow.
[23:22] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Awesome, thanks, will have to start experimenting tomorrow??? will be interesting to see how I can access the node struct from the host language
[23:22] <Gadgetoid> Likewise!
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I hope you don't have to access the node struct!!!
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> zzz
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[23:23] <Gadgetoid> True, but it's always nice to have the option to be nosy
[23:23] <Gadgetoid> also??? zzz! g'night!
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[23:37] <steve_rox> is there any other disk repair tool besides fsck?
[23:37] <bact> this channel is sfw
[23:39] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, what do you need to do exactly?
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[23:40] <steve_rox> well fsck fails to repair this disk image
[23:40] <steve_rox> eather its too damaged or erm i dunno
[23:40] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think anything else will. There are plenty of recovery tools (badblocks, testdisk, photorec, dd_rescue and so on), but I don't think any of those are what you're after.
[23:41] <[Saint]> bact: fsck is a tool, not a misspelling of the similar four letter word.
[23:41] <[Saint]> file system check.
[23:41] <steve_rox> xbmc moans about some block error on boot
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[23:41] <biberao> hi
[23:42] <ShiftPlusOne> hi
[23:42] <payroll> hi
[23:42] <biberao> any of you made a radio channel
[23:42] <biberao> by using your rpi?
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[23:42] <steve_rox> the thought occured but i dident want the pigs and offcom to oink me
[23:43] <SophieRxx> I've wanted to but it's illegal here. :(
[23:43] <biberao> i mean
[23:43] <biberao> like inside a coffeeshop
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[23:43] <SophieRxx> Using it as a FM stereo basically?
[23:43] <biberao> ok bad explained
[23:44] <biberao> what i want to do
[23:44] <biberao> is connect my pi to an amp
[23:44] <steve_rox> fsck runs only displays its version then exits , unsure if its working or not
[23:44] <biberao> and have them listen my radio
[23:44] <bact> biberao: use a usb sound card, the built in dac is no good
[23:45] <biberao> i need like using spotify
[23:45] <biberao> and have a few commercials between the songs
[23:45] <biberao> made my me
[23:45] <biberao> lol
[23:45] <Baikonur> is there a verbose flag for fsck
[23:45] <payroll> It's a good idea
[23:45] <bact> so you want to stream ala shoutcast?
[23:45] <biberao> ya
[23:46] <biberao> but directly to the my speakers
[23:46] <[Saint]> Baikonur: "man fsck"
[23:46] <[Saint]> or "fsck --help"
[23:46] <biberao> the thing is spotify is legal
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[23:46] <biberao> i need legal songs with my commercials
[23:46] <biberao> :P
[23:46] <steve_rox> it does not respond to the help flag
[23:46] <Baikonur> [Saint]: i don't need it, steve_rox does
[23:47] <bact> biberao: what kind of egomaniac creates ads to broadcast through his own speakers?
[23:47] <[Saint]> spotify is legal for *you*...I don't think it is legal for public broadcast...is it?
[23:47] <biberao> bact its advertising
[23:47] <steve_rox> i found a manual i think
[23:47] <[Saint]> music licenses are weird like that.
[23:47] <biberao> [Saint]: i have a music licence
[23:47] <[Saint]> aha.
[23:47] <biberao> bact its advertising my burgers
[23:47] <bact> lol
[23:48] <[Saint]> wait - if they're already in your shop...wouldn't a sign work?
[23:48] <[Saint]> :)
[23:48] <biberao> ya
[23:48] <[Saint]> "I haz burgerz - buy 'em"
[23:48] <bact> [Saint]: I'm imagining the corniest thing
[23:48] <biberao> but its sexier this way
[23:48] <biberao> here big supermarkets
[23:48] <biberao> advertise their discounts
[23:48] <[Saint]> "Can haz cheezburger?"
[23:48] <biberao> so ideas ?
[23:48] <bact> it could be like propaganda
[23:49] <biberao> yup
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[23:49] <bact> biberao: there's a reason mcdonalds doesn't broadcast a monologue of how brilliant their burgers are to the customers
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[23:50] <biberao> bact why is that
[23:50] * [Saint] thinks if the customers are already in your store, advertising is mainly useless.
[23:50] <[Saint]> see above ^
[23:50] <bact> biberao: because its silly
[23:50] <biberao> its not
[23:50] <biberao> and mcdonalds doesnt need advertising
[23:50] <bact> trust me, I eat burgers
[23:50] <biberao> ppl are lazy
[23:51] <[Saint]> if you were broadcasting to people that weren't in your store already - I would see the point.
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[23:51] <bact> biberao: I hope it's like zombo.com
[23:51] <[Saint]> But at this pint you may as well say "wanna buy this burger?" when they walk in the door.
[23:51] <biberao> then what about spotify only<?
[23:51] <biberao> whats zombo.com?
[23:51] <bact> biberao: try it
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[23:51] <biberao> mcdonalds is the best franchising
[23:52] <biberao> in my country
[23:52] <biberao> bact: doesnt happen
[23:52] <biberao> it just says zombom.com
[23:53] <bact> biberao: zombo.com is an example of what advertising to people already there would be like
[23:53] <bact> biberao: it has audio
[23:53] <biberao> cant hear it
[23:53] <biberao> tomororw then
[23:53] <biberao> then my pi
[23:53] <biberao> will be a jukebox only then
[23:55] * [Saint] laughs histerically at zombo.com
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[23:55] <[Saint]> that guy could be the voice actor for pedo bear.
[23:55] <[Saint]> "c'mon kiddies, I gots candy!"
[23:56] <biberao> so
[23:56] <biberao> spotify then
[23:56] <bact> biberao: you'll need a broadcast license
[23:56] <bact> and I'm not sure, but the spotify ToS probably specifies that it's for personal use
[23:57] <biberao> man
[23:57] <biberao> i have broadcasting licence
[23:58] <[Saint]> that doesn't negate the spotify ToS
[23:58] <biberao> screw spotify
[23:58] <bact> biberao: you can use mpd to stream internet radio and use a mpd client on a tablet to control it
[23:58] <biberao> i pay 100 a year
[23:59] <biberao> bact: could be year
[23:59] <biberao> -r
[23:59] <biberao> or use a laptop
[23:59] <bact> yeah
[23:59] <bact> there's mpd clients for everything
[23:59] <bact> browsers, smartphones
[23:59] <biberao> advise any?

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