#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-03-28

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> although you may eventually be able to deduce that by inspection of lots of disassembled code.
[0:00] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: but it does have some drivers that can interface with the existing messagebox in the videocore
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[0:00] <ryao> ShadowJK: Blame everyone in the channel for buying a Raspberry Pi.
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[0:00] <ShadowJK> ryao; no just the guy asking for open firmware
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[0:01] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: ive also done minor work at reverse engineering the messagebox api
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, mailbox? *
[0:02] <ShadowJK> It's kinda amusing to me when bcom is so well known to not even provide basic specs unless you commit to buying a million units, let alone proper datasheets and programming info :)
[0:02] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, i modified the kernel to effectively packet sniff everything sent thru it
[0:02] <ryao> ShadowJK: Then we should not be buying it.
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/wiki/Mailbox-property-interface https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/wiki/Mailboxes
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, seems to have the important parts documented already
[0:03] <mgottschlag> clever: hey, interested in reverse engineering the *real* stuff? ;)
[0:03] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=16003
[0:03] <clever> mgottschlag: some
[0:03] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, ah, nice.
[0:03] <ShadowJK> ryao; ya, if you spend double you can get something a bit better documented, with faster cpu and debugged usb :P
[0:04] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: the patch i put in the latest post includes the printk's
[0:04] <ShadowJK> cheapness is the main thing rpi has going for it :D
[0:04] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: so you can see every ioctl called on vchiq
[0:04] <clever> which includes the video decode stuff
[0:04] <SpeedEvil> or you buy a nexus 7 with a broken touchscreen on eBay
[0:04] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds handy
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[0:05] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: i have compared it to the source in the userspace stuff, once they open sourced it, and things did match up roughtly
[0:05] <clever> but i lost interest, the userspace and kernel stuff are dumb proxy's
[0:05] <ryao> The Raspberry Pi is not that cheap. You need to provide all cables and accesories. It also cost $10 more than the advertised price until recently, not including shipping costs. :/
[0:05] * [Saint] is often amused by the amount of "can haz moar?" type posts wrt: raspi
[0:05] <ryao> They should have called it a $50 computer.
[0:05] <[Saint]> its a $25 educational board - be happy.
[0:06] <mgottschlag> clever: if you want an overview of where we are, http://studwww.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de/~s_gottsc/traces/, the tracer_hdmi.log contains a trace of early boot memory accesses :)
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[0:06] <clever> *looks*
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[0:06] <clever> mgottschlag: your webserver is claiming the log file is a tiff
[0:06] <ryao> [Saint]: It was $35 and the concept of education is divorced from it. It is a computer. That is it. :/
[0:07] <[Saint]> ryao: if you're unhappy eith it - don't use it.
[0:07] <[Saint]> simple.
[0:07] <[Saint]> cry elsewhere.
[0:07] <ryao> [Saint]: I am unhappy with your characterization of it.
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[0:08] <[Saint]> what you seem to be unhappy with is that there isn't a global currency.
[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, you can jump over to the videocore side of things and have more fun there as mgottschlag suggests.
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[0:08] <ajt> Hiya!
[0:08] <[Saint]> the price is sorrect - but, obviously there will be conversion into your native currency.
[0:08] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: ive gotten CM7 compiled and running on my pi, and even the mouse pointer maxes out cpu usage
[0:08] <[Saint]> *correct
[0:08] <mgottschlag> clever: the first parts are about changing the clock from 19.2MHz (crystal at the bottom of the board) to 250MHz (PLL frequency), then it initializes DRAM (because initially all which is available is cache)
[0:08] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: so having info on the videocore stuff would help improve performance
[0:08] <ajt> I just got a raspberry pi, put the OS on a SD card, hooked it up and gave it power but it didn't boot
[0:09] <mgottschlag> and we don't even know how it does that, only that we are able to replay it, and it works :)
[0:09] <ajt> at least it's nto showing anything on my monitor
[0:09] <ryao> By the way, can Linux 3.9-rc4 boot on the Raspberry Pi without patches?
[0:10] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, You can familiarise yourself with it here: https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv/wiki
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> ajt, look for the Green "ok" LED - see if it flashes at power on.
[0:10] <ajt> gordonDrogon: kk give me a moment
[0:11] <ajt> gordonDrogon: looks like it stayed solid. just was reading something that says the boot image isn't good
[0:11] * [Saint] finially clicks that ShiftPlusOne is talking to someone and doesn't actually think everything is clever
[0:11] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: neat
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> ajt, it would normally flicker on/off and eventually be mostly off.
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> ajt, on solid is not a usual scenario: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
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[0:15] <[Saint]> there's an "ok" LED?
[0:15] <Tenkawa> anyone know offhand what patches need to be applied to a vanilla 3.8.4 kernel to make it a pi compatible one?
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], it's the green one next to the red power led. in normal use it's the SD card access LED.
[0:15] <[Saint]> you mean "ACT"?
[0:16] <Tenkawa> i thought i read that the bcm2708 made it into upstream but i dont see any sign of it
[0:16] <[Saint]> right, that makes more sense to me now.
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> who knows. act/ok/green...
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[0:16] <Tenkawa> nor the dwc_otg for that matter
[0:16] <ajt> gordonDrogon: the ACT light stays on faintly and the power led stays on nice and solid
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[0:18] <gordonDrogon> ajt, it's not read the SD card at all then.
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[0:20] <ajt> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Red_power_LED_is_on.2C_green_LED_does_not_flash.2C_nothing_on_display
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[0:21] <ajt> gordonDrogon: that's what seems to be the problem, no?
[0:21] <Gadgetoid> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/wiringpi2/1.0.0
[0:21] <Gadgetoid> pip install wiringpi2 ?
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[0:21] * Gadgetoid tries on his other Pi
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[0:22] <Gadgetoid> Damnfool PiPy package left out all the header files
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[0:23] <gordonDrogon> ajt, yes, follow it through.
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[0:24] <Gadgetoid> Any python packaging experts kicking about?
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[0:25] <Gadgetoid> Damn, I forgot my manifest file!
[0:25] <ajt> gordonDrogon: on it!
[0:27] * Gadgetoid shamefully increments his minor version number
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[0:27] <Gadgetoid> A.K.A. the stupid screwup counter
[0:28] <ajt> lol
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[0:29] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: "pip install wiringpi2"
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[0:29] <exarkun> Anyone have any clue about this? It comes up repeatedly when I boot w/ my new wifi adapted plugged in :/ udevd[158]: timeout: killing '/sbin/modprobe -b usb:v7392p7811d0200dc00dsc00dp00icFFiscFFipFF' [193]
[0:29] <Gadgetoid> Sorry, you might want to sudo that!
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[0:31] <Tenkawa> exarkun: is it in the workin hardware list, and directly connected or vua hub
[0:31] <Tenkawa> er viw
[0:31] <Tenkawa> er via
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[0:33] <exarkun> Tenkawa: it is directly connected, and it is one of these: 7392:7811 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS] (which is on the supported list afaict)
[0:33] <Tenkawa> yeah i have one
[0:34] <Gadgetoid> I guess I can install sleep now!
[0:34] <Tenkawa> hmm.. which distrib
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[0:34] <andrewvos> That raspbmc settings window is well hidden :/
[0:34] <Tenkawa> exarkun: its possible you dont have enough power driving your pi
[0:34] <andrewvos> Just spent an hour doing some serious hacking around when I could have just opened that thing up.
[0:35] <andrewvos> exarkun: Get a usb charger with at least 1000mah
[0:35] <Tenkawa> hw much current
[0:35] <andrewvos> Is it mah?
[0:35] <Tenkawa> andrewvos: is what?
[0:36] <exarkun> Tenkawa: Hm. A Debian distro on an sd card that came with the pi. Also using a charger that came with it. :/
[0:36] <Tenkawa> mah is current yes.
[0:36] <Tenkawa> exarkun: hmm..
[0:36] <exarkun> I guess the charger has its power written on it somewhere?
[0:36] <Tenkawa> debian soft float?
[0:37] <exarkun> not sure what soft float is. It claims to be wheezy.
[0:37] <Tenkawa> exarkun: yes it shoud list volt/current on the ps
[0:37] <exarkun> "wheezy/sid"
[0:37] <Tenkawa> ok
[0:38] <exarkun> says 5V 1000mA
[0:38] <exarkun> uh this time when I plugged the wifi into the usb port the pi reset
[0:39] <exarkun> :(
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[0:41] <Gadgetoid> This, in a nutshell, is why WiringPi2 is cool: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPi2-Python/blob/master/examples/quick2wire-io.py
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[0:42] <exarkun> same error when the wifi is plugged in to a powered hub instead
[0:43] <exarkun> Gadgetoid: that does look fun
[0:44] <exarkun> not that I have any idea what mcp23017 is
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[0:44] <Gadgetoid> exarkun: it's the port expander chip found on the quick2wire board, the hobbytronics IO breakout board and some other boards
[0:44] <Gadgetoid> Gives you 16 digital IO pins
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[0:45] <exarkun> Tenkawa: Which distro have you had this working with? And using which driver?
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[0:48] <exarkun> I'm trying rtl8192cu but I see that some of the walkthroughs online use 8192cu instead.
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[0:51] <exarkun> hm, some indication the wheezy driver is too old
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[0:57] <exarkun> and kernel panic
[0:59] <exarkun> and ethernet failure
[1:00] <Gadgetoid> Blog post here if you want to see how I originally programmed the MCP23017 from Ruby ( clue: it's awful ) http://pi.gadgetoid.com/post/039-wiringpi-version-2-with-extra-python
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[1:58] <exarkun> one rpi-update later things look better
[1:58] <exarkun> thanks all
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[2:10] <Gadgetoid> Soft PWM, in Python: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPi2-Python/blob/master/examples/softpwm.py
[2:11] <Gadgetoid> So, many, magic, numbers!
[2:11] <Gadgetoid> And now, I must sleep
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[2:26] <swk> anyone know a good source for LiPos?
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[2:29] <ajt> gordonDrogon: still around?
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[2:34] <swk> he's probably long asleep
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[2:40] <ajt> swk thanks
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[3:27] <aaa801> forums dead?
[3:27] <aaa801> sql is being overworked ;(
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[3:51] <timb_us> Anyone here running Arch Linux?
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[3:57] <tdy_> yes
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[4:03] <timb_us> I just dd'd the latest img, booted up, but I can't get X running.
[4:03] <timb_us> I installed xorg and enlightenment17 with pacman -S
[4:03] <timb_us> But startx and xinit give command not found...
[4:03] <tdy_> i noticed the backlog in archarm
[4:04] <tdy_> pacman -Ql xorg-xinit
[4:04] <tdy_> what does that list
[4:06] <timb_us> Package not found.
[4:06] <tdy_> then you didn't install it
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[4:07] <timb_us> Hmm, I did though. Let me reinstall it.
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[4:07] <timb_us> You'd think the xorg package would include that.
[4:09] <timb_us> Okay, after updating and reinstalling xorg-xinit it works now.
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[4:13] <timb_us> Now to figure out how to get enlightenment configured... I guess it doesn't auto configure.
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[4:24] <[vali]> hi
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[5:02] <RiXtEr> anyone know how to get syntax highlighting in vi ?
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[5:06] <Xark> RiXtEr: Start it with "vim" (on a .c/.cpp/.h file). :)
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[5:21] <JakeSays> anybody in here have experience with using a kinect with a raspi?
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[5:29] <RiXtEr> Xark, thanks, but I found the answer :) I didn't have it turned on
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[5:30] <fr0g911> so whats this PiFACE DIGITAL good for
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[5:42] <descention> how is it that I'm able to power my raspberry pi via the USB port? this is not the micro usb port mind you.
[5:45] <fr0g911> what do you mean
[5:46] <fr0g911> like powering it from a usb port from a hub or a computer?
[5:46] <descention> I'm currently using my raspberry pi with a motorola lapdock, powering it with a single cable from the microusb on the lapdock to a usb port on the raspberry pi.
[5:47] <fr0g911> hmm never heard or tought of that dont see how that can be
[5:47] <fr0g911> so you have a usb to usb
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[5:48] <descention> yep
[5:48] <fr0g911> thats pretty cool
[5:48] <descention> agreed. I didn't think it was possible
[5:48] <fr0g911> wonder if the power is different
[5:48] <descention> it seems to be pretty stable
[5:49] <fr0g911> so its a male to male usb ?
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[5:50] <fr0g911> wait am i getting that mixed up again
[5:50] <fr0g911> lol
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[5:50] <descention> it's a female micro usb to the lapdock and male to the pi
[5:51] <fr0g911> take a picture lol
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[5:51] <descention> ok
[5:51] <fr0g911> im interested in seeing this
[5:52] <fr0g911> brb though shower right fast
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[5:58] <fr0g911> back
[5:58] <descention> i took a video and am going to upload it to youtube. just a moment
[5:59] <fr0g911> sweet
[6:00] <fr0g911> oh and for everyone i wanted to confirm the remote control for 6.99 works perfect on pi raspbmc
[6:00] <yehnan> Hi, I can use RPi.GPIO 0.5.2a to do software PWM on rpi's GPIO pins. However, I just found out that pin 12(GPIO18) of rpi can do PWM. Is there a Python interface to control it?
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[6:08] <fr0g911> wiringpi
[6:10] <fr0g911> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=31714
[6:10] <fr0g911> not sure if that helps
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[6:12] <yehnan> fr0g911: I think it can work. WiringPi + Python wrapper. thanks
[6:13] <fr0g911> np
[6:13] <fr0g911> let me know
[6:14] <descention> fr0g911: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_LlnGGHXio&feature=youtu.be
[6:14] <descention> available soon
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[6:17] <fr0g911> sweet
[6:17] <fr0g911> i was about to goto bed
[6:17] <fr0g911> lol
[6:17] <adeus> morning
[6:18] <fr0g911> thats nuts
[6:18] <descention> so... yeah
[6:18] <fr0g911> now i have to try it
[6:18] <descention> lol
[6:18] <fr0g911> heya adeus
[6:18] <descention> I'm off to bed
[6:18] <fr0g911> same see ya tomorrow
[6:19] <fr0g911> night all
[6:19] <descention> night
[6:19] <fr0g911> happy pi'ing
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[7:35] <yehnan> Hi, I don't quite understand the frequency parameter in RPi.GPIO's PWM , http://code.google.com/p/raspberry-gpio-python/wiki/PWM what usage of it?
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[7:41] <tdy_> are you familiar with frequency / sampling rates?
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[7:42] <tdy_> i'm assuming not, otherwise the parameter should be self-explanatory
[7:43] <tdy_> just think of it as how frequent you'll get a reading
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[7:49] <yehnan> tdy_: what's the relationship between frequency and dutycycle?
[7:49] <yehnan> tdy_: does higher frequency consume more cpu cycles?
[7:51] <Blueness|> duty cycle is how long its up
[7:52] <Blueness|> a cpu should operate at a frequency
[7:52] <Blueness|> so cycles should be proportional to frequency
[7:53] <Blueness|> oh for operating an external module
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[7:53] <Blueness|> would make sense higher frequency sampling would take up more cpu cycles
[7:53] <Gadgetoid> Was playing with WiringPi2-Python softPWM last night, whee
[7:53] <Blueness|> frequency is how often something occurs
[7:54] <Blueness|> and duty cycle is how long that process stays active
[7:54] <Blueness|> pulse width modulation (PWM) just sends a pulse
[7:55] <Blueness|> the width modulation is just how long a signal stays up
[7:55] <yehnan> Blueness|: allow me to think it over
[7:55] <Blueness|> sorry if this doesn't help with clarifying what you wanted to know
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[7:56] <Blueness|> some devices like servos operate by PWM
[7:56] <Blueness|> you send it a 1 that lasts say 10ms every second or so
[7:56] <Blueness|> it gives the servo a specific type of command
[7:57] <Blueness|> so it knows whether to rotate in a particular direction
[7:57] <Blueness|> it all just varies what you are trying to do with it
[7:59] <Gadgetoid> softPwm uses a range from 0 to 100 and the pin will be HIGH for value*100 microseconds and low for (100-value)*100 microseconds
[8:00] <Gadgetoid> Assuming the Pi can successfully keep up, that is
[8:00] <yehnan> Gadgetoid: ok, then what about the freuqncy parameter of RPi.GPIO?
[8:01] <Gadgetoid> yehnan: No idea, I'm reading this right from the source of WiringPi
[8:01] <Blueness|> frequency should be how often you want it to change every second
[8:02] <Blueness|> maybe like a lightswitch
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[8:02] <yehnan> Well, thanks all. However, I still don't quite get it. Let it be concrete. Here http://code.google.com/p/raspberry-gpio-python/wiki/PWM there is an example"An example to brighten/dim an LED: "
[8:02] <Blueness|> how often do you want to flip the switch
[8:02] <yehnan> In this example, frequency is set to 50, what if set to 1000? What's the difference?
[8:02] <Gadgetoid> RPi.GPIOs softPwm is here: https://code.google.com/p/raspberry-gpio-python/source/browse/source/soft_pwm.c
[8:03] <Blueness|> yehnan: honestly if you flip an led on and off 1000 times
[8:03] <Blueness|> every second
[8:03] <Blueness|> you wouldn't notice it ever being off lol
[8:04] <Blueness|> so if you put 50 it would be at 50 Hz I believe
[8:04] <Gadgetoid> The Duty Cycle just changes the ratio of on to off
[8:04] <Blueness|> so the led would turn on and off 50 times per second
[8:04] <Blueness|> 1000 would be 1000 Hz so it would turn on and off 1000 times
[8:05] <Gadgetoid> softPwm only takes between 0 and 100
[8:06] <Blueness|> yehnan you should imagine a square wave to really "see" what its doing
[8:06] <yehnan> Gadgetoid: 0~100 is for dutycycle, i'm talking about frequency
[8:06] <Gadgetoid> yehnan: Frequency is constant in softPwm
[8:07] <Blueness|> p.ChangeFrequency(freq) # where freq is the new frequency in Hz
[8:07] <yehnan> Gadgetoid: it can be set void pwm_set_frequency(unsigned int gpio, float freq)
[8:07] <Gadgetoid> The timings all look hard coded int he C course
[8:07] <Blueness|> oh
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[8:07] <Gadgetoid> It's godawful source, trying to make sense of it
[8:08] <yehnan> I run the example code in http://code.google.com/p/raspberry-gpio-python/wiki/PWM "An example to brighten/dim an LED: "
[8:08] <Gadgetoid> pwm_set_frequency sets the basetime to 1000 / frequency
[8:08] <yehnan> use frequency 50 and 1000
[8:08] <Gadgetoid> And the slicetime to basetime / 100
[8:08] <yehnan> the results ...i can't tell the difference
[8:09] <Blueness|> yehnan: that means its just flickering VERY fast
[8:09] <Blueness|> beyond the human perception range
[8:09] <Blueness|> of flickering
[8:09] <Blueness|> try low values
[8:09] <adeus> depends on the led also
[8:09] <adeus> might not even have time to dim
[8:09] <yehnan> Blueness|: yes...then what does frequency do?
[8:09] <Blueness|> definitely
[8:09] <Blueness|> flipping a lightbulb on and off really fast
[8:09] <Blueness|> REALLY fast
[8:09] <Blueness|> think of that lol
[8:10] <Blueness|> how fast do you want to flip it?
[8:10] <yehnan> the example code will make LED from totally off slowly change to totally on, the from on to off.
[8:10] <Blueness|> yes
[8:10] <yehnan> it's a smooth breathing led
[8:10] <Blueness|> some LED's cant even respond fast enough
[8:10] <yehnan> frequency 50 and 1000, seems the same
[8:10] <Blueness|> yep
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[8:11] <Gadgetoid> yehnan: could be a limitation of the softwares ability to toggle a GPIO pin
[8:11] <Blueness|> think of a tv going at 30 fps
[8:11] <Blueness|> you dont even notice it
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[8:11] <Blueness|> frame per second*
[8:11] <Blueness|> try really low values
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[8:11] <Blueness|> like 0.5 lol
[8:11] <Gadgetoid> yehnan: If you're trying to dim an LED, you should change the duty cycle not the frequency, surely?
[8:11] <yehnan> Gadgetoid: yes
[8:12] <yehnan> well, if frequency set to 1, LED seems "blinking"
[8:12] <Blueness|> yea
[8:12] <Blueness|> once per second
[8:12] <Gadgetoid> yehnan: that example is wrong. Use WiringPi2-Python instead :D
[8:12] <yehnan> if freq set to below 30... the "breathing" effect is not smooth.
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[8:12] <yehnan> Gadgetoid: wrong? where?
[8:13] <Gadgetoid> Oh wait, no it changes duty cycle
[8:13] <Gadgetoid> Ignore me, I didn't get any sleep??? was too busy writing a python wrapper for a competition library
[8:13] <Gadgetoid> competiting
[8:13] <Blueness|> lol
[8:13] <Gadgetoid> okay to hell with this my brain is not working at all!
[8:14] <Blueness|> well yehnan, I hope you are accomplishing what you want with the LED's lol
[8:14] <Blueness|> nice learning how pulse width modulation works
[8:14] <Gadgetoid> yehnan: a frequency of 1 with a duty cycle of 50 would turn the LED off for half a second and then on for half a second
[8:14] <yehnan> well, I probably get what frequency mean. Thanks all. :)
[8:14] <Gadgetoid> A frequency of 100 with a duty cycle of 50 would turn the LED on for.. oh maths??? my head
[8:15] <Gadgetoid> It would turn the LED on for 0.005 seconds, then off for 0.005 seconds
[8:15] <Gadgetoid> IE: mid brightness, high frequency to avoid it appearing to blink
[8:16] <Gadgetoid> So duty cycle controls how long its ON and OFF for, and Frequency controls how many times the ON/OFF transition happens
[8:16] <Gadgetoid> So low frequency = blinking, or pulsing and is useless for dimming
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[8:16] <Gadgetoid> And off the back of this, I've just remembered I have a big strip of RGB LEDs that I'm pretty sure my Pi could now PWM
[8:18] <adeus> I'm thinking I'll try to get my DS18S20 thermometer working toninght
[8:18] <Gadgetoid> Waits for gordonDrogon to wake up to see why softPwm in wiringPi has a fixed frequency ( probably because the hardware cant' cope with anything much faster )
[8:18] <Blueness|> are you talking about value*100us?
[8:18] <Blueness|> 100 microseconds is pretty good
[8:19] <Blueness|> what is the Pi clocked at anyways?
[8:19] <Blueness|> the cpu at least
[8:20] <adeus> 700
[8:20] <adeus> by default
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[8:20] <Gadgetoid> Blueness|: indeed, shouldn't be much demand for softPwm any faster than that, if you want good PWM there are chips for that
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[8:21] <Gadgetoid> And the one? PWM-capable pin on the Pi too??? unless I imagined it
[8:21] <adeus> I think the GPIO can handle something like 7MHz
[8:21] <Blueness|> interesting
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[8:27] <plugwash> The problem is that the GPIO pin may be able to handle those speeds but then the scheduler decides that it needs to do something other than running your program for a bit
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[8:32] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[8:33] <Gadgetoid> Morning gordonDrogon!
[8:33] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, it has a fixed frequency because it's easier.
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[8:33] <Gadgetoid> Much easier to understand/use, that's for sure
[8:33] <gordonDrogon> there are 100 periods of 100?S - the 'range' is the number of periods.
[8:33] <gordonDrogon> 100 is what I suggest.
[8:34] <gordonDrogon> so the overal cycle time in 10mS
[8:34] <gordonDrogon> and 100?S is the shortest time you can deschedule for.
[8:34] <Gadgetoid> Works well, either way!
[8:35] <Gadgetoid> I'm adding examples to WiringPi2-Python, as none of this functionality has really been available before
[8:35] <gordonDrogon> I am looking at the other ways - using the dma engine to drive a pin - that's in the current RPi.GPIO I think.
[8:36] <Blueness|> thanks for the work gordonDrogon :)
[8:36] <gordonDrogon> breakfast time for me..
[8:36] <gordonDrogon> cheers!
[8:36] <Gadgetoid> Not sure it does anything clever, but understanding of this code is limited: https://code.google.com/p/raspberry-gpio-python/source/browse/source/soft_pwm.c
[8:36] <Blueness|> its 12am here haha
[8:37] <Blueness|> so im curious how do you know 100??S is the shortest time you can deschedule for
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[8:38] <gordonDrogon> I tested it.
[8:39] <gordonDrogon> it's actually slightly longer than that, but that works relatively well.
[8:39] <gordonDrogon> just time a call to usleep(1)
[8:39] <gordonDrogon> rather than 1?S it's in the region of 80-120?S
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[8:39] <gordonDrogon> and it doesn't change until you start to get over 100?S or therabouts.
[8:39] <Blueness|> that is interesting :)
[8:40] <gordonDrogon> delays shorter than 100?S are achieved with a timing loop.
[8:40] <gordonDrogon> have a look at the delayMicroseconds() and delayMicrosecondsHard() code in wiringPi.c
[8:40] <Blueness|> that eats more cpu cycles?
[8:40] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[8:40] <Blueness|> noted
[8:40] <gordonDrogon> so it's a compromise really.
[8:41] <gordonDrogon> you can have one thread delay for less than 100?S but just the one.
[8:41] <Blueness|> might be dumb but is sleep() like interrupt driven?
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[8:41] <Blueness|> or is the pwm interrupt driven
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[8:41] <gordonDrogon> it's not interrupt driven as such, but the kernel sleeps the process and sets a timer.
[8:42] <Blueness|> ah ok
[8:42] <gordonDrogon> it's essentially the latency of the kernel that determins the shortest time it can sleep a process for.
[8:42] <Blueness|> my head is still in microcontrollers like 8051's
[8:42] <Blueness|> never tried an arm for this stuff before
[8:42] <Blueness|> or anything fancy really haha
[8:42] <Blueness|> interesting
[8:42] <gordonDrogon> yea - it's not ARM thats the issue here, it's having a multi-user, pre-emptive multi-tasking operating system on it!
[8:42] <gordonDrogon> aka. Linux.
[8:42] <Blueness|> haha yes
[8:42] <Blueness|> vastly different than an RTOS
[8:43] <Gadgetoid> Nobody seems to have tested wiringPi2-Python yet! *rages*
[8:43] <gordonDrogon> the ARM in the Pi does have some other issues - mostly to do with the GPU handling the memory.
[8:43] <Blueness|> yea i'm sure theres some resource hogging that goes into consideration
[8:43] <gordonDrogon> so even at the assembly level with all interrupts off, there are non deterministic delays when the GPU refreshes the RAM and video.
[8:43] <Blueness|> that is a little lame lol
[8:44] <gordonDrogon> FreeRTOS runs on the Pi.
[8:44] <Blueness|> never had to consider that with a basic microcontrollers
[8:44] <Blueness|> hmm never tried that before
[8:44] <gordonDrogon> and RISC-OS is alledgedly better than Linux, but there is still that low-level hardware issue that you'll never get away from.
[8:45] <gordonDrogon> right it really is breakfast time for me now! Lots to do today. might not be back for a few ehours.
[8:45] <Blueness|> embedded linux is definitely a different beast to me
[8:45] <Blueness|> Have a nice breakfast :)
[8:45] <Blueness|> and day
[8:45] <Gadgetoid> I need to have gone back to sleep
[8:46] <Gadgetoid> And then had breakfast??? instead I'm talking about PWM
[8:46] <Blueness|> PWM ftw
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[8:49] <plugwash> It's one of those tradeoffs, big devices can get more processing done, deal with more memory, have fancy stuff like GPUs available but it comes at the price of less predicatibility for low level bit fiddling
[8:50] <plugwash> that is why it's very common to have both a "big" processor for the applications stuff and a little microcontroller or some kind of programable logic for weird bit twiddling work
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[8:57] <Blueness|> good to know plugwash thanks :)
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[8:59] <Gadgetoid> Grievre: Beaglewhy?
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[9:02] <plugwash> iirc the SoC on the orignal beaglboard has a user accessible DSP core
[9:02] <plugwash> dunno how good it is for bit fiddling though
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[9:07] <Blueness|> DSP might be fun to play with
[9:07] <Blueness|> I need fpga to tinker with
[9:07] <Blueness|> opencores has some nice source codes for various things
[9:07] <Blueness|> i am curious what can be done with an fpga in the right hands
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[9:08] <Blueness|> i made and simulated a 64-bit RISC cpu in verilog
[9:09] <Blueness|> curious how I can apply some of my skills to something more practical lol
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[9:11] <plugwash> Making general purpose CPUs on programable logic while it can be fun is ultimatly not especially practical
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[9:12] <FergyA> anyone able to tell me what I'm doing wrong with this bash script? For some reason it makes the dump file named 2 every time I run the script, and it's supposed to increment. http://pastebin.com/aBQD5KnW
[9:12] <plugwash> because programable logic has a much higher cost (in both financial and power terms) than fixed logic
[9:12] <plugwash> where programable logic really wins is where you need to do custom stuff with very specific timing
[9:12] <Blueness|> yea i just did it as one of my upper division computer engineering courses lol
[9:12] <Blueness|> yea it was just for learning
[9:13] <Blueness|> I am curious how to change it into something like an h264 decoder or something
[9:13] <Blueness|> i am curious what goes into all the ASICs
[9:13] <Blueness|> design wise
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[9:14] <Blueness|> sorry FergyA, don't really know much bash scripts to help ya
[9:14] <adeus> FergyA: is there a single entry in that dir you are looping?
[9:14] <adeus> then num = 2
[9:14] <adeus> always
[9:14] <FergyA> the number of files in the directory varies depending on the number of times the script has been run
[9:14] <FergyA> or at least thats the intention
[9:15] <FergyA> if theres no files in the directory shouldnt num = 1?
[9:15] <adeus> yes
[9:15] <FergyA> well its not :/
[9:15] <Blueness|> yea
[9:15] <Blueness|> theres no memory of past iterations
[9:15] <Blueness|> i think
[9:16] <FergyA> i can empty the folder, run the script, and itll make a file named 2
[9:16] <FergyA> which then makes it get stuck on 2 forever
[9:17] <plugwash> I don't know if it's related to your problem but remember even an "empty" folder contains . and ..
[9:17] <FergyA> ooooh, maybe thats it...
[9:17] <adeus> FergyA: if that dir doesn't exist it will loop "/home/pi/data/GPS/*"
[9:17] <FergyA> maybe i should start with num=0...
[9:17] <adeus> once
[9:17] <FergyA> the dir does exist, its just empty
[9:17] <adeus> so it will result to 2
[9:18] <adeus> so again 2 :)
[9:18] <FergyA> yeah, starting with 0 just makes it get stuck on 1 instead :/
[9:19] <Blueness|> i'm kind of a noob but what does "for i in /home/pi/data/GPS/*"
[9:19] <Blueness|> do*
[9:19] <adeus> loop all entries in that directory
[9:19] <adeus> and put it to $i
[9:20] <Grievre> Gadgetoid: The beagleboard has realtime cores
[9:20] <Grievre> plugwash: the beaglebone does, rather
[9:20] <Grievre> (have realtime cores)
[9:20] <FergyA> so im not crazy then? its just being retarded and not doing what its supposed to?
[9:21] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, I'd put out my feelers for a beaglebone if I weren't absolutely crammed for time
[9:21] <Blueness|> why is num not incrementing properly
[9:21] <StMichel> is loop "for i in /home/pi/data/GPS/*" same as "for i in /home/pi/data/GPS", does it have a difference?
[9:22] <adeus> yes
[9:22] <adeus> * will expand it to all files
[9:22] <adeus> without it you just get that directory
[9:22] <adeus> and all intents and purposes for will do nothing
[9:24] <StMichel> you could always do num=$(ls -1 /home/pi/data/GPS | wc -l)
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[9:24] <FergyA> yeah, I was just looking at that StMichel
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[9:25] <adeus> timestamp the file
[9:25] <adeus> problem solved :)
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[9:25] <Blueness|> how would you do that?
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[9:25] <FergyA> I would, but in my application i wont have an internet connection to set the time
[9:25] <Blueness|> interesting
[9:25] <FergyA> i do have a gps, but i cant guarantee itll have a lock on boot, which is when this script will run
[9:25] <adeus> well it still would be inceremented
[9:26] <StMichel> wouldn't you get time from the gps?
[9:26] <FergyA> i very well could, but thatll fail if the gps doesnt have a lock at boot time, which is possible
[9:27] <StMichel> hmm okay
[9:30] <FergyA> and yeah, ill put it this way, I'm sending a raspberry pi a mile up in a rocket :P sooo, having time, and a gps lock is definitely not guaranteed
[9:30] <Blueness|> haha
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[9:33] <FergyA> the ls |wc -l method does seem to work, sweeet
[9:33] <Blueness|> nice
[9:34] <Blueness|> so dumb question but what does |wc -l do?
[9:35] <Blueness|> seems to be some sort of word counter
[9:35] <StMichel> word count -lines
[9:35] <StMichel> -c is characters, and I guess there was a third one, too
[9:36] <Blueness|> does -l give the number of the line?
[9:36] <StMichel> no, I was wrong about -c, but see 'man wc'
[9:36] <Blueness|> noted
[9:36] <Blueness|> print the newline counts
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[9:51] <Gadgetoid> Any WiringPi-Python users about yet?
[9:52] <Gadgetoid> If so, see here and help a brotha out: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=38642
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[9:56] <Blueness|> do you need guinea pigs?
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[10:05] <Gadgetoid> Blueness|: indeed, although the existing userbase who have been frustrated by the lack of xyz feature are probably the best candidates, give it a try if you have the time/inclination
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[10:09] <Blueness|> still getting my head around with wiringpi is capable of lol
[10:09] <Blueness|> what*
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[10:14] <Gadgetoid> Blueness|: I think it's better to approach it from the perspective of what you want it to be capable of,and work backwars
[10:15] <Gadgetoid> And if it doesn't do what you want it to, complain loudly about it until someone fixes it
[10:15] <Blueness|> true lol
[10:15] <Gadgetoid> I must admit, my own aspirations with GPIO on the Pi itself have been rather lacking
[10:15] <Blueness|> so its a commandline utility
[10:16] <Blueness|> where i just wiring stuff up and throw in commands
[10:16] <Blueness|> and it'll do stuff?
[10:16] <Blueness|> *wire
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[10:16] <Gadgetoid> WiringPi2-Python is a Python library, that lets you write applications to do all manner of IO-related stuff
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[10:17] <Gadgetoid> You could, for example, create a matrix of 5*5 LEDs and 5*5 buttons ( or 5*5 button LEDs if you want to get crazy ) and program a basic lights-out game in Python
[10:17] <Blueness|> meh to play with LED's lol
[10:17] <Blueness|> i'm thinking if I can revive my old line following robot haha
[10:17] <Gadgetoid> LEDs are underrated, they're the only reason I know anything I'm writing in code even works!
[10:18] <Blueness|> yea i like making LED's blink at the start of anything
[10:18] <Gadgetoid> You should be able to do so on the Pi
[10:18] <Blueness|> just to make myself feel safe haha
[10:18] <Blueness|> its the timeless hello world for electronics haha
[10:18] <Gadgetoid> Pretty much!
[10:18] <drobban> anyone in here used PiUI?
[10:18] <Gadgetoid> I'm waiting for some electroluminescent wire to turn up now
[10:19] <Blueness|> PiUI seems pretty neat
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[10:20] <drobban> yes indeed. But I havent figured out if the lib is useable under C
[10:20] <drobban> programming language
[10:20] <Blueness|> so the pi runs nginx to allow this ui interface?
[10:21] <drobban> what that a question directed to me?
[10:21] <Blueness|> sorry just curious lol
[10:21] <Blueness|> ignore t haha
[10:22] <drobban> O, I didnt follow.
[10:22] <Blueness|> what library are you talking about?
[10:22] <drobban> piui?
[10:22] <Blueness|> seems to be written in python
[10:22] <Blueness|> sorry i'm kind of a noob haha
[10:23] <Blueness|> what are you trying to do with it under C?
[10:23] <drobban> perhaps this is the wrong channel to ask the question, perhaps someone can direct me to the correct one to ask this kind of question
[10:24] <Blueness|> this is probably the right channel
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[10:24] <Blueness|> if someone more competent were available lol
[10:24] <drobban> Blueness|: Home automation system. A large portion of it is already programmed under C. Im in a flow, so it would be great to continue coding in C. I do not have the time to start learning how to code propper python.
[10:25] <Blueness|> ahh i see
[10:25] <neilr> drobban: this is probably the best place to ask - just need to pop back later when there are some Proper Programmers about
[10:26] <neilr> What I know about this kind of thing can, sadly, be written on the inside of the ear of a small mouse.
[10:26] <jelly1> what is the question? :P
[10:26] <drobban> I realy liked the idea. But, o well. Seems like it simpler to program my own piui for c-lang. =D As I have understood, it didnt support multiple connections :)
[10:26] <Blueness|> lol
[10:26] <Gadgetoid> Shiny, I have a Remote Pry session running on my Pi
[10:27] <Gadgetoid> For those who don't know (ie: everyone) Pry is an interactive Ruby shell on steroids
[10:27] <drobban> neilr: =)
[10:27] <drobban> jelly1: the question was, if PiUI is useable with C-lang?
[10:29] <jelly1> it looks like python
[10:29] <jelly1> but it looks silly
[10:30] <jelly1> It's not a lib
[10:30] <drobban> jelly1: So it does. I discovered that there is alot of libs used with python by raspberry pi people, but the core is made for C-lang.
[10:30] <drobban> jelly1: explain
[10:30] <drobban> if it is not a lib, what is it?
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[10:31] <jelly1> it's just a lolwebsite
[10:32] <jelly1> but python can execute C
[10:33] <adeus> and vice versa if necesasry
[10:33] <adeus> necessary
[10:33] <jelly1> not really
[10:35] <drobban> I realy like the idea he came up with. perhaps the creator has some code I can use.
[10:35] <drobban> =)
[10:35] <drobban> Thanks for the inputs
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[10:35] <jelly1> drobban: why would you need it?
[10:36] <drobban> To add an webbinterface to my home automation system
[10:36] <jelly1> oh
[10:36] <jelly1> just write on
[10:36] <jelly1> python + flask
[10:36] <drobban> jelly1: Im natively a C-lang
[10:37] <jelly1> flask is easy :P
[10:37] <drobban> I havent followed what the hype about python is?
[10:37] <jelly1> there is no hype
[10:38] <drobban> all sites and all the youtube I can find about projects made on RPI is made in python
[10:38] <drobban> I would call that a hype
[10:38] <jelly1> pfft
[10:38] <drobban> =)
[10:38] <jelly1> drobban: python exists long before the RPi
[10:42] <adeus> writing a web page with C sounds painful
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[10:42] <adeus> nothing is of course stopping you to do that..
[10:43] <jelly1> adeus: not that hard
[10:44] <adeus> yeah a static page at least not that hard indeed
[10:44] <adeus> fcgi with nginx
[10:44] <adeus> but once it get's more complicated
[10:45] <jelly1> ;)
[10:45] <Blueness|> would it be optimal to learn some python and just integrate c into it?
[10:45] <jelly1> why use C then
[10:45] <adeus> amazon.com was at least in the old days written with C/C++
[10:46] <Blueness|> well the guy already has most of his code in c
[10:46] <Blueness|> <drobban> Home automation system. A large portion of it is already programmed under C. Im in a flow, so it would be great to continue coding in C. I do not have the time to start learning how to code propper python.
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[10:49] <Blueness|> I guess i'm just curious how a person would tie a c project with lots of hardware with a web interface written in python
[10:49] <Grievre> doing CGI in C is not hard
[10:49] <Blueness|> sounds like something I would like to learn lol
[10:49] <Grievre> Blueness|: Not hard either
[10:50] <Blueness|> sounds good lol
[10:50] <Grievre> Blueness|: the project I'm working on currently is basically a bunch of small C programs that talk to each other using stdio
[10:50] <Grievre> so replacing most of them with a python or whatever language program is not hard
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[10:51] <Blueness|> i'm really not an expert at any language but what would be the gist of doing it?
[10:51] <Grievre> I don't really know how to answer that question?
[10:51] <Blueness|> yea its a pretty vague haha
[10:52] <Blueness|> hmm
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[10:53] <Blueness|> how does a python program talk to a c program?
[10:53] <Blueness|> is it just a matter of importing some libraries?
[10:53] <Grievre> the same way C programs talk to each other?
[10:53] <Grievre> or python programs for that matter
[10:54] <Blueness|> i've never really had a bunch of c programs talk to each other lol
[10:54] <Blueness|> just a bunch of classes and modules is what i've experienced
[10:54] <Blueness|> I guess I just have a lot to learn lol
[10:55] <jelly1> classes in C?
[10:55] <Blueness|> err c++
[10:56] <Blueness|> interprocess communications is what I probably what I want to be looking at
[10:56] <neilr> Disclaimer: I am not a programmer! But, the time I've wanted to communicate with another process in python I've used the subprocess library
[10:56] <neilr> import subprocess
[10:57] <Gadgetoid> Blueness|: Python is written in C, surely?
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[10:57] <neilr> then, say, to retrieve an IP address:
[10:57] <neilr> s = subprocess.check_output(["ip","addr","show",interface])
[10:58] <Gadgetoid> When integrating a C program with a Python program you basically wrap a lot of Python C nonsense around it, and the C library is effectively indistinguishable from any other low-level part of Python
[10:58] <neilr> Like I say, I'm not a programmer. Particularly not a python programmer.
[10:58] <Blueness|> python c hmm
[10:58] <Gadgetoid> So Python is just a language which tells a C program what to do, making it high level and slow
[10:59] <Gadgetoid> Although *slow* is a subjective term
[11:00] <Gadgetoid> The important thing is that Python abstracts all the *doing* from the nasty horrible implementation details, and lets you share and maintain code without having to worry about silly things like RAM and how big an unsigned 8-bit integer is
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[11:00] <Blueness|> high level languages are quite nice
[11:00] <Gadgetoid> Meaning Python, Ruby, PHP, etc really don't offer anything but user-friendliness and portability, so in the case of the Pi they're a bit of a pointless exercise
[11:01] <Gadgetoid> I'm not a C fan though, so I use Ruby, but it's sllloooowwwww on the Pi
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[11:01] <Blueness|> Ruby sounds like the perfect language for just getting stuff done
[11:01] <neilr> I'm still a big fan of BASIC for most things that I want to do
[11:02] <Gadgetoid> I'm reasonably new to Ruby, but really love it. But it's really, really slow
[11:02] <Blueness|> slow is relative :)
[11:03] <Blueness|> i really do like those projects where you can blink LED's via some web app
[11:03] <Gadgetoid> Blueness|: you *feel* slow on the Pi, certain big clunky but awesome Ruby tools are very painful
[11:03] <Gadgetoid> Blueness|: you could do that in Ruby in no time at all
[11:03] <Blueness|> yea i'm sure on a pi its no-go lol
[11:03] <Gadgetoid> You could even implement it using websockets
[11:03] <Gadgetoid> Blueness|: ruby on a Pi: http://pi.gadgetoid.com
[11:04] <Grievre> Gadgetoid: Python is a language, it is not written in anything. As for /implementations/ of python, the most common one is written in C but there exist python implementations in other language, for example PyPy is written in python!
[11:04] <Gadgetoid> I have a Pi dedicated to hosting my blog, but I cheated and put it behind a caching proxy
[11:05] <Gadgetoid> Grievre: Okay, one could probably compile Python if they wanted, but ultimately it's written in C, or "implemented" in C if you want to get semantic
[11:05] <Grievre> ?
[11:05] <Grievre> Languages are not written in other languages
[11:05] <Grievre> interpreters and compilers can be
[11:05] <Blueness|> this papilio thing is interesting
[11:06] <Blueness|> sorry my eyes were wandering on your site lol
[11:06] <kaste> Grievre: what about xml written in dtd or EBNF :P
[11:06] <Blueness|> fpgas on pi is pretty cool
[11:06] <Gadgetoid> Grievre: Yeah, that's semantics
[11:06] <Gadgetoid> Not going to argue D
[11:07] <Gadgetoid> (because I'll be proven wrong by semantics :D)
[11:07] <Gadgetoid> And my electroluminescent wire and bare metal paint just arrived
[11:08] <Blueness|> you weren't kidding your pi was hosting the page
[11:08] <Blueness|> i see the pi stats on the right
[11:08] <Blueness|> thats really cool lol
[11:08] <Gadgetoid> Blueness|: Yup, that's why it's so damned slow
[11:08] <Blueness|> i can see this is a first gen pi haha
[11:08] <Blueness|> i thought it was pretty speedy haha
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[11:08] <Gadgetoid> Yeah I keep my second gen Pi for hacking, and first gen for hosting.. it seems to cope okay!
[11:09] <Gadgetoid> I've run MySql/PHP on 256mb RAM??? slowly
[11:09] <Blueness|> 20.08Mb free lol
[11:09] <Grievre> Gadgetoid: That's not "semantics" at all. People constantly mistake problems with the implementation of a language for problems inherent in the language itself and it leads to a lot of silliness
[11:09] <jelly1> Gadgetoid: cause php /mysql are a sucky solution :P
[11:09] <jelly1> static html > * :P
[11:10] <Gadgetoid> jelly1: true enough!
[11:10] <jelly1> jekyll is nice
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[11:10] <jelly1> https://github.com/mojombo/jekyll :)
[11:10] <Blueness|> ok another newbie question
[11:10] <Blueness|> how do you make your pi host a webpage like that
[11:10] <Blueness|> i have a vps that I can sort of do the same
[11:10] <Grievre> The same way you make any linux machine host a webpage
[11:10] <Blueness|> with its own domain name
[11:10] <jelly1> configure dns
[11:11] <Blueness|> but how does the pi do the processing and serving
[11:11] <jelly1> Blueness|: using it's CPU
[11:11] <Blueness|> hmm
[11:11] <Grievre> the same way any linux machine does it
[11:11] <jelly1> how else!
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[11:11] <Grievre> the raspberry pi is just a computer running linux
[11:11] <Grievre> just like your web server
[11:11] <Blueness|> well from a home connection?
[11:11] <jelly1> Blueness|: depends on your isp :P
[11:11] <Blueness|> lol
[11:11] <jelly1> some block ports, some don't
[11:12] <Blueness|> I see
[11:12] <jelly1> port forward 80 to router -> 80 setup dns to point to your home ip
[11:12] <nid0> fwiw, lots of people use their pi's to host websites
[11:12] <jelly1> ???? PROFIT
[11:12] <Blueness|> from a home connection?
[11:12] <jelly1> prolly
[11:12] <nid0> why not?
[11:12] <Blueness|> dont know lol
[11:13] <Blueness|> sounds great though
[11:13] <nid0> hardly a great ay to host busy websites with a lot of traffic but for personal blog that gets a few visits a day, no reason not to
[11:13] <nid0> http://www.ratherdisturbing.co.uk/ < that's being served from the pi's next to me
[11:13] <jelly1> but
[11:13] <Blueness|> yea along those longs
[11:13] <Blueness|> that'd be fun to do
[11:13] <jelly1> you could also use github to host a blog....
[11:13] <jelly1> lolwordpress
[11:13] <Blueness|> how disturbing
[11:13] <nid0> you could also use any number of things to host a blog
[11:14] <jelly1> github hosts the blog for you thoguh ;
[11:14] <nid0> whats your point? there are countless places that will host blogs for you
[11:14] <nid0> or you could host it yourself
[11:15] <nid0> on some small, cheap device
[11:15] <nid0> such as a pi
[11:15] <Blueness|> i just like the thrill of running my own web server haha
[11:15] <Blueness|> the "from scratch" feel
[11:15] <Blueness|> i'm still working my way around learning linux
[11:16] <Blueness|> my dream is to ssh into a pi robot and make it do things
[11:16] <Blueness|> or via a web ui
[11:16] <Grievre> not much of a dream
[11:16] <Blueness|> lol
[11:17] <Blueness|> small dream
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[11:18] <Blueness|> i'd be nice to implement things that use computer vision
[11:18] <Blueness|> where a robot can do some useful household functions
[11:19] <Blueness|> being able to grab sodas from a fridge or something lol
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[11:21] <Gadgetoid> Oh, this electroluminescent stuff is soo cool
[11:21] <Gadgetoid> Need to hack the inverter so I can toggle it via GPIO or something
[11:22] <Gadgetoid> Pi ain't gonna output 100V AC anytime soon
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[11:24] <Blueness|> I hope you take videos of it pulsating wildly
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[11:25] <Gadgetoid> Will do! This stuff is much better than the adafruit/other hobby electronics store stuff??? I got it from an art supplier so it's all neatly supplied with connectors on the end
[11:26] <Gadgetoid> Just clip it together and you've got light within a couple of seconds!
[11:26] <Gadgetoid> Now??? to cut the plugs off :D
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[11:32] <Blueness|> Gadgetoid: so you wrote ruby/php/python/perl wrappers for WiringPi
[11:32] <Blueness|> that is pretty awesome lol
[11:32] <Gadgetoid> Blueness|: "wrote" would be a generous term
[11:33] <Gadgetoid> All the awesome is supplied by Gordon, who came up with WiringPi in the first place
[11:33] <Gadgetoid> I just hacked together some wrappers, mostly because I couldn't be bothered to learn C
[11:33] <Gadgetoid> I ended up learning some C...
[11:33] <Blueness|> haha
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[11:43] <dreamreal> Gadgetoid: heh.
[11:43] <Gadgetoid> I swear, if I have to type "lego" one more time!
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[12:02] <azeam> Gadgetoid: you also prefer "frog"?
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[12:06] <gordonDrogon> Pi doesn't need to output 100v.
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> However knowing a little about electronics, then you can switch 100v plus with the Pi - however I'd personally stick a transistor in there.
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[12:08] <gordonDrogon> It's no different from driving nixies, really.
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[12:37] <Gadgetoid> The paint has very peculiar resistive properties, its resistance is proportional to its ratio
[12:37] <Gadgetoid> Presumably not that peculiar when you think about it, as most folks are used to dealing with wires
[12:37] <Gadgetoid> But a 1000x1000 meter square of the paint will have, theoretically, the same resistance as a 1cm by 1cm square??? kinda like a bunch of parallel wires I guess
[12:37] <Gadgetoid> So if resistance becomes a problem, I just make the "trace" thicker
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[12:37] <Blueness|> i want this paint
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[12:37] -mquin- [Global Notice] Seems we're having a few network problems, please bear with us while we look into it
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[13:08] <zastaph> to emulate RPi you need something like qemu right? I presume it can't be done in VBox
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[13:12] <descention> Does anyone else know that the raspberry pi model B can be powered through the dual USB ports?
[13:13] <nid0> rev2 ones can yes, it was one of the main changes made on the rev2 boards
[13:13] <Grievre> descention: iirc the fuse on those will blow at like... 150 mA?
[13:14] <seba-> iirc the new one doesn't have the USB fuse
[13:14] <Gadgetoid> The 5v output on the RPi will run an EL wire inverter, powering three different tapes/wires to a respectable brightness
[13:14] <Gadgetoid> Neon under lighting for your Pi?
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[13:18] <descention> I'm able to power the pi from the moto lapdock and make use of the usb hub/keyboard/trackpad with a single cable
[13:18] <descention> not using a Y splitter
[13:21] <kaste> zastaph: vbox is for x86 only, it can't emulate arm
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[13:22] <jelly1> qemu can
[13:23] <zastaph> wonder if I can run qemu inside vbox
[13:23] <ShiftPlusOne> 'course
[13:23] <ShiftPlusOne> but turn off mouse intergration
[13:25] <zastaph> probably better to fire up a computer running linux (ubuntu)
[13:25] <zastaph> would this guide be good to follow? http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/
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[13:26] <ShiftPlusOne> it is a great guide to follow... pure genius really
[13:26] <ShiftPlusOne> I may be biased since I wrote it though >.>
[13:26] <zastaph> heh
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[13:30] <zastaph> can't decide if I should try it on linux or windows :)
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[13:36] <patogen> anyone used a Multicomp case for raspberry pi? I just bought it, but can't find info on how to open it ... lol and don't want to break it
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[13:40] <patogen> a bit of good old violence solved it.
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[13:45] <zastaph> is that the best case for Pi ?
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[13:49] <ShiftPlusOne> There's no 'best case' since people need them for different things.
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[13:49] <zastaph> I need my Pi for server use
[13:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Then any will do
[13:50] <Gadgetoid> How tiny can you make a DC/AC converter if you're aiming to step ~5vdc up to 100vac @ ~50mA?
[13:50] <zastaph> just a bit concerned about missing real time clock, and dependency on internet connectivity for ntp
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[13:51] <nid0> why? if you're planning on using it as a server, its going to be online all the time
[13:52] <zastaph> home server
[13:52] <nid0> there are also plenty of ways to add an rtc to the pi if you really need one
[13:53] <nid0> I still dont see the problem, is your home net connection that bad?
[13:53] <zastaph> no
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> I've got a couple of Pibow cases now. a bit fiddly to put together, but it's rock solid when done. nothing moves.
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, 50mA ?
[13:54] <nid0> bear in mind you dont need an internet connection for ntp
[13:54] <nid0> nothing stopping you setting it up on another computer (that has an rtc) on your lan
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, there are some really small ones for nixie tubes, but the output is DC...
[13:55] <zastaph> nid0, yeah I thought about that solution.. but then I need to have another 24/7 computer up
[13:55] <Gadgetoid> Drat
[13:55] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'm thinking about mounting-on-a-PCB-small
[13:55] <nid0> well, you only need it up when you turn your pi on
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, however - if you make one with a step-up transformer - you might find some little audio ones with the right winding ratios
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> then you just need to feed it AC - and that's easilly done from a gpio pin & power transistor.
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> or an H bridge driver.
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[13:57] <zastaph> nid0, if i could somehow have Pi wake-on-lan a computer, sleep a bit, then ntp and remotely turn it off again
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[13:59] <zastaph> or how about webcamera towards a digital clock on the wall and OCR it :p
[14:02] <zastaph> could of course also just prompt the user on startup
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[14:06] <descention> zastaph: can your router help you?
[14:06] <zastaph> didnt think about that.. must check if RTC enabled routers exist
[14:08] <zastaph> or ntp at least
[14:08] <kaste> I don't get your problem really, what are you afraid of?
[14:08] <kaste> do you believe your time drifts really bad over the time your connection might be down or what?
[14:09] <zastaph> no.. just I intend to use it for CalDAV and such, and yes I'd like it to work without internet too
[14:09] <descention> zastaph: dd-wrt supports being an ntp client. I'm not sure how that works with other machines though.
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> I don't know of any consumer grade routers with their own NTP server + battery, but if you're on the internet then NTP "just works"...
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[14:17] <Gadgetoid> Time to fry my Pi!
[14:18] <DooMMasteR> the end of education is near http://www.salon.com/2013/03/27/high_school_teacher_under_investigation_for_saying_vagina_during_anatomy_lesson/#.UVOHsbGZxMQ.reddit
[14:19] <Gadgetoid> I wonder if I can create an adaptor to connect the Pi Ladder to the Quick2Wire board.
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, probably - however just for the 8 data pins - the main 8 LEDs. The buttons are on the SPI pins and the 2 small LEDs are on the I2C pins.
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[14:20] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I was just thinking about hooking it up to an MCP23017 and writing a driver for it
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ah, use the 23017 on the q2w board :)
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[14:21] <Gadgetoid> I have a lot of wires to stuff into things!
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> Q2w board to breadboard via m/m jumper wires. plug in a cobbler header board and plug the ladder into that.
[14:21] <Gadgetoid> Although I'll have to write a new low-level plugin for WiringPi, as reading the pins one at a time will be horribly inefficient
[14:22] <Gadgetoid> Oo, cobbler header in reverse??? good idea!
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[14:23] <yehnan> Hi, I'm going to add real time module(DS1307) to my rpi. After searching, if I use the raspbian distro from rpi foundation, I would need to recompile linux kernel to add rtc module and ds1307 module. Am i right?
[14:23] <Gadgetoid> It's on!
[14:23] <pksato> wwv as time reference to RPi. But, dont have this service on my country.
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[14:26] <bact> daaaaaaamn, http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/677951563/sweetbox-ii-the-perfect-case-for-your-raspberry-pi
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[14:26] <gordonDrogon> yehnan, the ds1307 module is already there. you need to load the I2C kernel drivers, then modprobe ds1307
[14:27] * IT_Sean modprobes gordonDrogon
[14:27] <IT_Sean> Morning.
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[14:27] <Gadgetoid> Right, got my hobbytronics breakout board plugged into a breadboard, the ladder board into that and the Quick2Wire board plugged into my Pi
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[14:28] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: why the article http://microeletroniki.wordpress.com/2012/09/05/ds1307-with-rpi-kernel-on-bootup/ said I need to compile the kernel?
[14:29] <Gadgetoid> Now I've got to make head or tail of the cryptic silkscreening
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> yehnan, cd /lib/modules ; find . -name \*ds1307\* says you don't.
[14:30] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: please wait a minute.
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> yehnan, the date on that article - september 5th 2012. it's positively ancient.
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> things have changed since then.
[14:31] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: so...new version of raspbian added ds1307 module support?
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[14:32] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: the command returns ./3.6.11+/kernel/drivers/rtc/rtc-ds1307.ko
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> yes, so just modprobe it.
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> after loading the i2c driver.
[14:34] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: thanks, off to try it out.
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[14:38] <Gadgetoid> First LED lit, whee
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[14:40] <Gadgetoid> Quicktowirebreakoutladder
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[14:41] <Gadgetoid> I've decided that I hate ribbon cables
[14:41] <bact> why?
[14:41] <Gadgetoid> They don't flex terribly well, evidently I need better non ribboney ones
[14:42] <bact> for your gpio?
[14:42] <Gadgetoid> Aye, yes
[14:42] <bact> you can use old floppy cables
[14:43] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, they're not great either and wont fit in the box header of my breadboard breakout
[14:43] <Gadgetoid> I'm sure in the PC world you can get ribbons that are pinched in the middle into a more flexible cable
[14:44] <Gadgetoid> Whoops??? I think I did something wrong
[14:44] <bact> Gadgetoid: http://www.wavelinkcable.com/images/img-ss-ffc3.jpg ?
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[14:45] <Gadgetoid> Yay, I shorted 3v to gnd
[14:45] <bact> dead pie?
[14:45] <Gadgetoid> I can't find an example bact, maybe I'm imagining things
[14:46] <Gadgetoid> Nah, just rebooted
[14:46] <bact> I haven't used my pi in ageees
[14:46] <bact> I need to find a use for it
[14:48] <Gadgetoid> My daughter just came in and said: "Daddy, how do you spell dead?"
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[14:48] <IT_Sean> o_O
[14:48] <Gadgetoid> I didn't ask??? I don't want to know??? she's playing Scribblenauts
[14:49] <IT_Sean> bact: shorting to ground shouldn't kill the pi. The big worry is shorting 5v to 3.3v. That WILL make your pi Quite Dead.
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> as will connecting the motor controller on the Gertboard to 15VAC ... that makes it very dead too.
[14:50] <IT_Sean> you've done that?
[14:51] <IT_Sean> I thought you told me you haven't kill'
[14:51] <IT_Sean> I thought you told me you haven't kill't a pi yet
[14:52] <Gadgetoid> IT_Sean: fortunately I hit ground before I reached the 5v pin
[14:52] <Gadgetoid> I was stepping through each pin on the breadboard breakout, and seeing what happened on the ladder board
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[14:53] <IT_Sean> random pin connecting is a really good way to kill a Pi, Gadgetoid.
[14:53] * Gadgetoid hides as the whole room cringes
[14:53] <Gadgetoid> I live on the wild side.
[14:53] <Gadgetoid> It wasn't random, it was procedural!
[14:53] <IT_Sean> your lucky you aren't living on the "oh bother, i've killed it" side.
[14:54] <IT_Sean> shorting 5v to any 3.3v pin will release the Magical Blue Smoke.
[14:55] <IT_Sean> I haven't killed a Pi, but, i have nuked a few embedded devices through accidental shorting of pins.
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[14:55] <Gadgetoid> I'd just use my other one until a replacement arrived, can't make omelettes without breaking a few eggs
[14:55] <IT_Sean> accidentally shorted 12v to 3.3v once, in a device i was working on.
[14:56] <IT_Sean> *24v
[14:56] <Gadgetoid> Cripes!
[14:56] <IT_Sean> Funny... i said something similar when it happened.
[14:56] <Gadgetoid> Hooked up all the LEDs on the ladder board, now I have to figure out which are the buttons
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[14:58] <ShadowJK> Shorting 240V to 24V is pretty spectacular too
[14:59] <IT_Sean> I would imagine
[14:59] <IT_Sean> 24v to 3.3v is pretty spectacular. Crater'd a couple of ICs, and blew a few small caps clean off the board.
[15:00] <IT_Sean> released a LOT of the magic smoke, too.
[15:00] <IT_Sean> The smell was pretty biblical. Stunk out the whole department.
[15:00] <drobban> is there any known issues with using malloc on the RPI?
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[15:01] <IT_Sean> I should point out, this was a prototype device, at the time. One of two in existence.
[15:01] <drobban> getting this error
[15:01] <drobban> *** glibc detected *** /home/drobban/dev/c-lang/nc_home/nsm: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x000266a0 *** ??? ??? ??? ???
[15:01] <drobban> Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted. ???
[15:01] <drobban> 0xb6dd6bfc in raise () from /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6
[15:01] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: do the ladder's buttons pull down to gnd?
[15:04] <Gadgetoid> Aha, got one!
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, no.
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[15:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ah, yes!
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, they have 1K series resistors, so you need to enable the pull-ups in the gpio chip.
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> brains a fuddle.
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[15:05] <Gadgetoid> Ooo
[15:05] <Gadgetoid> Is that supported in the wiringPi module? I can do it via i2cset if not
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[15:10] <gordonDrogon> pullUpDnControl (pin, doodah);
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> PUD_UP
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> it's a 'core' function.
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[15:12] <Gadgetoid> Can't for the life of me find the last button!
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[15:19] <Gadgetoid> All hooked up!
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[15:20] <Gadgetoid> Gonna have to figure out how to connect this other MCP
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[15:23] <gordonDrogon> check the ladderSetup.sh file for the button assignments. they're out of order for some weird reason - probably to do with ease of routing on the PCB when I laid it out. ie. easier to fix in software.
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[15:24] <|Clown|> is there any other possibility to contact raspberrypi.org store staff than by mail?
[15:24] <IT_Sean> email.
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[15:26] <|Clown|> any other?
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> they have a postal address.
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[15:31] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: breadboarding up another MCP23017 now to replace the one I've used hooking up the ladder board
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[15:34] <gordonDrogon> :)
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> lunging to lunch now.
[15:34] <buzzsaw> oh my lunch so early :-)
[15:35] <Gadgetoid> http://quick2wire.com/category/i2c/ handy
[15:38] <ChubZee> got the musicbox distro up and running nicely with spotify on my rpi \o/ the built-in web controls are pretty good but a little underfeatured
[15:38] <ChubZee> connections to my android phone with various mpd clients are a bit wobbly though :s
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[15:50] <arcanescu> from a shell script would it be possible to execute a ./xyz.py (python script) ?
[15:51] <Gadgetoid> Great success!
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[15:56] <gynter> Hello, has anyone had any contact with RPI and Kingston UHS-I 233X SDHA1/8GB or SDHA1/16GB SD cards? Does it work and on what speeds?
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[15:58] <ShiftPlusOne> gynter, http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[15:58] <gynter> These are not listed, otherwise I wouldn't ask :)
[15:58] <gynter> But thanks for the link :)
[15:59] <ShiftPlusOne> I think if it's not there, it's very unlikely that someone here would have that exact card
[16:00] <gynter> Still worth to ask :)
[16:00] <ShiftPlusOne> true
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[16:00] <gynter> Hmm, it seems that 8G is no longer availabile. Guess I should buy the 16G for testing then.
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[16:18] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, for some reason the slightest knock of my breadboarded mcp23017 makes it reset
[16:18] <Gadgetoid> Except when I knock it on purpose.
[16:19] <ReggieUK> check your wires?
[16:21] <Gadgetoid> It's just being pedantic
[16:21] <Gadgetoid> Now plugged a nokia LCD directly onto the MCP
[16:21] <Gadgetoid> Time. For some pain.
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[16:24] <jelly1> phone LCD?
[16:24] <jelly1> wow that sounds awesome
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[16:29] <ShadowJK> hm, 4.83V
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[16:37] <buzzsaw> nokia lcd's are cheap :-) sadly I dont have a logic converter to screwe around with mine...
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[16:42] <Gadgetoid> Could have sworn I translated the 5510 LCD library into Ruby
[16:43] <jelly1> buzzsaw: hrrm interesting
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[16:50] <ReggieUK> jelly1 http://spritesmods.com/?art=rpi_arcade&page=2
[16:50] <jelly1> nice
[16:50] <ReggieUK> should probably start on this page
[16:50] <ReggieUK> http://spritesmods.com/?art=rpi_arcade&page=1
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[16:56] <jelly1> first finish my xbmc addon :P
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[16:59] <Gadgetoid> Can't see a dratted thing wrong with my wiring, yet it doesn't like me touching it at all
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[16:59] <Gadgetoid> Then again I do have an lot of spaghetti wiring further up the chain
[17:00] <nid0> oh god, the oversensationalised hype stories about cyberbunker "nearly bringing down the internet" are getting even worse
[17:00] * nid0 facepalm
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[17:03] <murphycr> Has anyone here experienced a phenomena where ssh stops listening all of a sudden?
[17:04] <murphycr> If I have an existing session inbound to the RPi, it freezes, and new sessions just time out
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[17:04] <ShadowJK> All networking dead or just ssh?
[17:04] <ReggieUK> who pays for spamhaus?
[17:05] <ReggieUK> they say they're a not-for-profit but they're clearly not doing it for fun
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[17:05] <murphycr> All inbound networking is dead
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[17:06] <nid0> plenty of people pay spamhaus
[17:06] <murphycr> I have nginx and ssh listening
[17:06] <murphycr> The wierd thing is that if I initiate any outbound connections from the RPi (ex 'ping google.com'), it fixes the problem temporarily
[17:06] <gynter> ReggieUK: afaik Spamhaus is private company limited by guarantee
[17:06] <gynter> Non-profit private company limited by guarantee
[17:07] <murphycr> It's like the network stack is going to sleep or something
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[17:08] <gynter> Eg it's like a club with a membership fee :)
[17:09] <murphycr> ShadowJK: Ever heard of anything like it?
[17:09] <ShadowJK> is this ethernet?
[17:09] <murphycr> yes
[17:09] <ShadowJK> Never had that on ethernet
[17:12] <Gadgetoid> Well it definitely didn't like me running shiftOut to it
[17:13] <murphycr> Well, whatever it is, it's _really_ annoying
[17:14] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I think shiftOut via an mcp23017 has interesting results
[17:14] <ShiftPlusOne> murphycr, what's your voltage?
[17:15] <murphycr> ShiftPlusOne: Shouldn't be a problem; I'm supplying through the GPIO header with a server ATX power supply... Alas I do not have a volt meter with me
[17:16] <Gadgetoid> With a slight hack you can plug a Nokia LCD straight into the GPIO header on the Quick2Wire board
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[17:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Still, that would be the first thing to check. There was a guy here a while back with a similar problem and it turned out he was running at about 4.75v. It became a bit more stable when he tried a different cable and fixed when he got a proper voltage.
[17:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Another guy just had to replug his ethernet cable though... so go figure.
[17:17] <ShiftPlusOne> pksato seems to know more about this sort of thing.
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[17:18] <murphycr> ShiftPlusOne: If voltage is the issue though, I know I'm getting 5v out of the power supply; that would imply there is a drop on the way to the Rpi... I can't see a great way to fix that :(
[17:18] <murphycr> supply power through the microusb connector too?
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[17:19] <ShiftPlusOne> either one or the other, not both.
[17:20] <murphycr> even if it's from the same supply?
[17:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Nuh, if it's the same supply it would be safe, but what difference would it make? GPIO and microusb are pretty much the same point electrically.
[17:21] <ShiftPlusOne> You're just bypassing the polyfuse afaik
[17:21] <murphycr> I guess what I'm saying is that if there is a voltage drop, what could I do about it?
[17:22] <ShadowJK> murphycr, how do you know that the powersupply is at 5V?
[17:22] <ShiftPlusOne> We don't know that there is though. There might not be. If there is, it would be in the cable, so you'd just use a better cable.
[17:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Still, you'd have to check.
[17:23] <ShadowJK> One time I actually had ethernet of all sorts dropping in and out, but it started with another tiny arm device first, and then spread to PCs. Turned out that my ethernet switch had bad capacitors
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[17:23] <murphycr> ShadowJK: I've measured it before numerous times
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[17:23] <murphycr> now this is curious... If I do an ifdown / if up, it fixes it
[17:23] <ShadowJK> When connect to rPi, I assume?
[17:24] <murphycr> ShadowJK: Connected and disconnected
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[17:24] <ShiftPlusOne> If you're 100% sure, then check other possible causes... like what shadow is saying.
[17:24] <ShadowJK> I'd check for errors in dmesg, I guess :/
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[17:24] <murphycr> none :(
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[17:25] <murphycr> On a side note, thanks for all of your help ^^;
[17:25] <ShadowJK> Does LNK led blink at all to incoming traffic?
[17:25] <neilr> murphycr: if you look at the output of ifconfig, do you see any collisions?
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[17:26] <murphycr> neilr: no
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[17:26] <murphycr> HEre is the interesting bit though: I can always ping it
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[17:28] <neilr> No dropped packets when you ping?
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[17:28] <murphycr> nope
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[17:29] <murphycr> TCP services just stop responding... everything else is fine
[17:29] <neilr> until you ifdown/ifup ?
[17:29] <murphycr> I would blame a firewall, but I haven't installed one; it's a stock installation of barebones raspbian
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[17:30] <murphycr> neilr: until I ifdown / ifup, then send some sort of outbound traffix
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[17:30] <murphycr> traffic*
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[17:31] <neilr> very odd... do you have another device there that you can install iperf on? Then you could start playing with packet sizes to/from the pi and see if there maybe some fragmentation problem going on.
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[17:33] <murphycr> neilr: do I just need to dmesg -n debug to output debug stuff to the console?
[17:33] <murphycr> It isn't seeming to work
[17:33] <neilr> ohhh, sorry, I'm not a Linux person really - so I don't know the answer to that. Sorry!
[17:34] <neilr> Maybe "dmesg | grep debug" to show any log lines that contain the word "debug" ?
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[17:35] <murphycr> doesn't even print them
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[17:42] <timmmaaaayyy> my pi user doesn't have the ability to cat or tail logs in the /var/log folder. can i make this possible without having to sudo?
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[17:43] <murphycr> neilr: Is there a reference for more advanced options in config.txt (elinux doesn't have them all)
[17:43] <DooMMasteR> nice: http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/28/game-prices-ouya-at-99-opens-up-pre-orders/ there are real retailes for the OUYA
[17:43] <murphycr> timmmaaaayyy: Not that I know of
[17:43] <murphycr> on any linux system
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[17:43] <timmmaaaayyy> i can view /var/log as my default user on all servers at work
[17:43] <murphycr> Normally I'd say chmod the files, but the files get nuked pretty often
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[17:44] <murphycr> you could try usermod -G -a adm pi
[17:45] <murphycr> that should do it
[17:45] <timmmaaaayyy> ok i'll check into that. thanks murphycr
[17:46] <timmmaaaayyy> any idea how adm is different that root? they aren't the same correct?
[17:47] <timmmaaaayyy> nevermind....found it : "adm: Group adm is used for system monitoring tasks. Members of this group can read many log files in /var/log, and can use xconsole. Historically, /var/log was /usr/adm (and later /var/adm), thus the name of the group."
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[17:48] <murphycr> word to the wise: pinging broadcast is a _great_ way to get your netadmin pissed at you
[17:49] <ShadowJK> ping -f
[17:50] <chithead> in many data centers, sending a ping to another host in the network will get your machine disconnected immediately
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[17:50] <ShadowJK> murphycr, what can you learn from this? Never ping broadcast without randomizing source address first
[17:50] <ShadowJK> ;-)
[17:50] <murphycr> ShadowJK: Yo uare an evil person :P
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[17:52] <IT_Sean> That's brilliantly evil.
[17:52] <IT_Sean> I like it.
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[17:52] <ShadowJK> murphycr, also: Set your MAC same as that of the netadmin, then set your IP to that of the default gateway. When you hear the "what the fuck!?", you disconnect your machine and reconfigure it back to normal
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[17:53] <nid0> then you realise that your admin knows the switch port the clearly bogus connections were coming from, and drops it
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[17:53] <arcanescu> im getting this on compiling a program: sectioncrc.py.c:21:20: fatal error: Python.h: No such file or directory
[17:53] <IT_Sean> nid0: that's why you do it from somebody else's patch.
[17:53] <arcanescu> would i need python headers?
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[17:54] <arcanescu> shouldnt they already be in the default space?
[17:55] <ShadowJK> nid0, yeah the idea is to do it long enough to cause "wtg!" reactions, but not too long to the point where netadmin regains connectivity to his machine and logs in to switch ;-)
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[17:56] <IT_Sean> wtg?
[17:56] <ShadowJK> Of course, normal people are pretty good at disrupting networks too. Take a consumer router, plug both the WAN and LAN port into the ethernet outlet in the wall.
[17:56] <IT_Sean> what's "wtg" ShadowJK?
[17:56] <ShadowJK> "But I wanted wireless..."
[17:57] <DeliriumTremens> ShadowJK: you act like having ethernet ports in the wall is commonplace...
[17:57] <ShadowJK> IT_Sean, "gosh, I say, what's going on here?"
[17:57] <IT_Sean> Ah...
[17:57] <IT_Sean> Gosh.
[17:57] <ShadowJK> DeliriumTremens, well in office buildings and such
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[17:57] <DeliriumTremens> when you say consumer i take that to mean residential
[17:58] <ShadowJK> DeliriumTremens, Yeah I mean specificall plugging in a consumer router/accesspoint in a office or school lan
[17:59] <ShadowJK> The router's dhcp server will compete with the LAN's dhcp server, and give out useless info
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[18:00] <ShadowJK> And if they happen to connect both a lan port and a wan port (hey, there's often two holes in the wall, so that means a wireless thingy should be plugged in with two cables, right), you can sometimes see the router looping data around through the lan at its max speed :P
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[18:07] <murphycr> ShadowJK: "Set your MAC same as that of the netadmin, then set your IP to that of the default gateway. When you hear the "what the fuck!?", you disconnect your machine and reconfigure it back to normal" - That is /the most evil/ IT prank I've heard in a long time.
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[18:09] <ShadowJK> Let's just say I've done it accidentally :)
[18:09] <murphycr> ShadowJK: Right. Accidently.
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[18:14] <ShadowJK> See, internet access was restricted to known MACs, and I had changed network card, and for some reason my notes were a bit messy and I ended up typing in an unrelated mac, and kinda swapped around default gateway and local ip parameters too, so, yeah, accidentally
[18:14] <ShadowJK> then suddenly my local switch lit up like ablinking christmastree on fire
[18:15] <murphycr> ...and then your switch caught on fire light a blinking christmas tree on fire :P
[18:15] <murphycr> like*
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[18:16] <ShadowJK> Well not exactly, but half or more of all traffic to internet tried to pass through
[18:17] <ShadowJK> that was on a 5-10k user lan, iirc :)
[18:17] <murphycr> ShadowJK: try having a public router broadcast a bogus BGP, for fun ^_^
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[18:18] <plugwash> broadcasting bogus bgp stuff to the internet sounds like a REALLY bad idea to me
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[18:18] <murphycr> plugwash: s/bad/amusing/
[18:19] * plugwash would expect all the AS's you connect to to put you under a draconian filtering policy for doing that
[18:19] <nid0> well, your peers will just drop you
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[18:19] <plugwash> or are they not competent enough to do that
[18:19] <kfc_> hello, i'm trying to compile the 3.6 kernel but got an error that mach/vcio.h is missing
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[18:20] <kfc_> anyone here who could probably help me out?
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[18:22] <murphycr> kfc_: I'm sorry >_< I would, but my kernel building machine got nuked recently
[18:22] <kfc_> hi murphycr, have you encountered this type of error?
[18:23] <murphycr> kfc_: It sounds familiar... I can try to recreate it, but it might take a while (read ~ 1 hour)
[18:24] <kfc_> sure
[18:24] <kfc_> the file drivers/thermal/bcm2835-thermal.c is the one complaining that there's no such header file mach/vcio.h
[18:29] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Please fix the include in piNes.c
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[18:31] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: See here: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPi2-Python/commit/859dda118b52c90c8ff7466efdcedd7af49a6aa4
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[18:32] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes, people complain to me about that. I tell them to get wiringPi from my GIT server and it just works. My version of piNes.c has *never* have <piNes.h> and always "piNes.h"
[18:32] <murphycr> Is there a list of the more advanced config.txt params?
[18:33] <murphycr> there is a partial list on elinux, but that doesn't have the ones for usb etc.
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[18:39] <murphycr> Actually, the problem seems to be with the whole USB subsystem :(
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[18:39] <murphycr> my keyboard is dropping random characters
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[18:49] <gwillen> is the SD card slot on the pi standard size, or mini, or micro?
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[18:49] <gwillen> (or depends on model)
[18:49] <IT_Sean> standard
[18:49] <gwillen> thanks IT_Sean :-)
[18:49] <IT_Sean> it's a standard SD slot.
[18:49] <IT_Sean> you are quite welcome.
[18:49] * gwillen nods :-)
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[19:00] <kfc_> murphycr any luck on recreating the compile?
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[19:07] <murphycr> kfc_: I'm building an entire VM to reproduce this for you... It'll take a little while
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[19:16] <kfc_> murphycr that's very much appreciated
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[19:37] <gynter> Hmm, how come that the same SD cards are confirmed as working and not working in @ http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards ?
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[19:38] <ShiftPlusOne> because it's a wiki
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[19:38] <gynter> Lol
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[19:38] <ShiftPlusOne> They are in a state of working and not working until you plug it into your pi and see
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[19:57] <timmmaaaayyy> following this article, can anyone tell me what my sdcard is? http://cagewebdev.com/index.php/raspberry-pi-creating-a-backup-image-while-the-raspberry-pi-is-running/
[19:57] <timmmaaaayyy> mmcblk0, mmcblkop1, or mmcblk0p2?
[19:58] <pksato> mmcblk0 is the SD card.
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[19:58] <pksato> p1 and p2 are partition on sdcard.
[19:59] <timmmaaaayyy> that's what i thought. thanks so very much!
[19:59] <pksato> similar to /dev/sda and /dev/sda1
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> that backup mechanism will create an image with filesystem errors on it.
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> You can not successfully dd from a live filesystem.
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[20:01] <timmmaaaayyy> really?
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> it will probably work, but it may not...
[20:01] <pksato> yes.
[20:02] <timmmaaaayyy> so i need to shut it down?
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> no
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> just use a different means.
[20:02] <pksato> need, at least, mount fs as read only.
[20:02] <timmmaaaayyy> like?
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> what do you want to achieve?
[20:02] <timmmaaaayyy> i want to back up the card, so that if it every craps out, i can just dd my backup onto a new card
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> take it out of the Pi and read it on a separate PC/Laptop. that's your 'backup' image.
[20:03] <timmmaaaayyy> so dd from anything other than the running pi?
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[20:03] <timmmaaaayyy> ok cool. bye bye uptime! :/
[20:04] <timmmaaaayyy> thanks gordonDrogon and pksato
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> there are other ways...
[20:04] <timmmaaaayyy> lol, like?
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> do you have a 2nd SD card in a USB reader device?
[20:04] <timmmaaaayyy> i do not.
[20:05] <pksato> make copy of config files and personal files. and/or send on fly to some cloud.
[20:05] <timmmaaaayyy> no usb readers......since they're built in everywhere i just never owned one
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> so what is it that you intend to put the backup on?
[20:05] <timmmaaaayyy> oh i mapped a remote drive on my qnap
[20:05] <timmmaaaayyy> i was going to dd it to there from the pi
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> ok. well best do it on another PC. I could suggest using something like rsync, but it's too much hassle.
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[20:07] <timmmaaaayyy> ok....another pc it is
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[20:17] <biberao> hi
[20:18] <biberao> /window 16
[20:18] <IT_Sean>
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[20:19] <biberao> wha
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[20:20] <IT_Sean> biberao: what are you trying to do? :p
[20:20] <biberao> it was a mistake
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[20:20] <biberao> how did you do the empty
[20:20] <IT_Sean> leet hax
[20:21] <biberao> ya right
[20:21] <IT_Sean> :p
[20:21] <gordonDrogon>
[20:21] <IT_Sean>
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[20:21] * gordonDrogon shrugs.
[20:21] <pksato> 1.3A psu for $3 http://deals.dx.com/team.php?id=2471
[20:22] * IT_Sean blinks
[20:22] <IT_Sean> pksato: for $3, it will probably be rubbish.
[20:22] <ShiftPlusOne> No, the discription says it's perfect. Why would they lie?
[20:23] <biberao> guess you wont say it right
[20:23] <biberao> pksato: is dx safe?
[20:23] <IT_Sean> if they are selling it for $3, it probably cost them under $1 to make... which means it is going to most likely be unsafe and poorly regulated. I would love to see a component audit of it.
[20:23] <ShiftPlusOne> They'll send you what you've paid for.
[20:23] <descention>
[20:23] <descention> /disco
[20:23] <descention> =P
[20:23] <descention> don't type that btw
[20:23] <IT_Sean> /what?
[20:24] <ShiftPlusOne> descention, the moment has passed. Stop being inapproporiate! >=/
[20:24] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said.
[20:24] <pksato> biberao: yes, dx is safe.
[20:24] <descention> in any case, anyone know if I can add a capacitor to overcome the power drop when opening/closing the moto lapdock?
[20:24] <IT_Sean> Besides. Only channel staff like myself and Shift get to troll noobs. :p (joking, of course... we don't troll)
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[20:25] <biberao> pksato: what about customs
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[20:26] <biberao> wont you tell me IT_Sean ?
[20:27] <IT_Sean> tell you what?
[20:27] <ShiftPlusOne> biberao, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T88ej64aXUM
[20:28] <biberao> ShiftPlusOne: ?
[20:28] <biberao> whats that for
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[20:28] <biberao> IT_Sean: the no msg nick showing up
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> the PFC8574 is a most odd GPIO expander chip.
[20:28] <ShiftPlusOne> dx might be safe, but cheap chargers are not.
[20:28] <IT_Sean> biberao: you mean this?
[20:28] <IT_Sean>
[20:29] <buzzsaw>
[20:29] <IT_Sean> ... try using the space bar. :p
[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Oh, you can also just press the invisible button.
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[20:29] <buzzsaw>
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> I have an invisible button here ><
[20:29] * buzzsaw goes invisible
[20:29] <biberao>
[20:30] <descention> I thought that time had passed...
[20:30] <biberao> IT_Sean: thank i guess
[20:30] <IT_Sean> no prob.
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[20:30] <biberao> stop being mean to me
[20:30] <biberao> ShiftPlusOne: hehe i guess
[20:30] <IT_Sean> noone is being mean to you, biberao.
[20:30] <biberao> dx.com ships stuff from china right'
[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> might be hk, but yeah.
[20:31] <IT_Sean> Isn't most of what's on dx complete rubbish?
[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, nope, they have a lot of decent stuff on there.
[20:32] <IT_Sean> Okay... I sit corrected.
[20:32] <biberao> hobbyelectronics.co.uk
[20:32] <biberao> is that good'
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[20:33] <kfc_> anyone else here tried compiling the 3.6 kernel?
[20:33] <gyeben> hi
[20:33] <ShiftPlusOne> hey
[20:34] <biberao> i mean this http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/
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[20:39] <zastaph> how many bit is Pi's ARM? couldn't find the info at http://www.arm.com/products/processors/classic/arm11/arm1176.php
[20:40] <zastaph> would like to try to emulate it using qemu inside vbox, but need to decide if vbox should run 32 or 64 bit linux and then qemu after
[20:43] <ldav15> The ARM on the Pi is 32-bit. The 64-bit ARM hasn't been released yet.
[20:43] <zastaph> thanks
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[20:46] <jelly1> zastaph: doesn't matter
[20:46] <jelly1> zastaph: you can emulate arm with 32 bit or 64 bit linux
[20:46] <jelly1> also qemu.exe exists, but linux is obviously superior ;)
[20:46] <zastaph> i googled and read people get errors when trying, but I think that was KVM+Qemu
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[20:47] <zastaph> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2961
[20:47] <zastaph> thats the only succesful post so far.. but i want to do it all from scratch instead of using a precompiled image
[20:49] <ldav15> zastaph: The page you probably wanted to see is <http://www.arm.com/products/processors/instruction-set-architectures/index.php>, where it talks about the 32-bit ARM and 64-bit ARM architectures (AArch32 and AArch64). The Pi's processor is ARMv6 in that diagram.
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[20:51] <jelly1> zastaph: KVM won't work
[20:51] <jelly1> KVM is a hypervisor
[20:51] <biberao> bye guys
[20:51] <jelly1> QEMU is an emulator
[20:51] <zastaph> right
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[20:56] <troulouliou_dev> hi is there a good tuto a bout how to connect gpios from the pi to the tx/rx of a arduino and use minicom to connect to thearduino
[20:56] <troulouliou_dev> tx/rx from the uart of an arduino
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> troulouliou_dev, not yet, but I have one that I'm working on ...
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> TV time now - James May is on :)
[20:57] <troulouliou_dev> gordonDrogon, ha ok; tv time too then :) thanks
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[21:12] <descention> does anyone have experience with adding a capacitor parallel with the 220uf one?
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[21:12] <descention> I'm looking to overcome the short drop in power when opening/closing the moto lapdock.
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[21:20] <RiXtEr> hey guys, I have a non pi related question, I need to replace a power supply thats currently 12v 1a output, I have a 12v 1.5a power supply, is that going to hurt anything? Isn't amperage based on draw from the device?
[21:20] <ShadowJK> You are correct.
[21:20] <ShiftPlusOne> RiXtEr, you're fine.
[21:21] <RiXtEr> ok, just wanted to make sure I didn't fry this board (if its not fried already :( )
[21:21] <ShiftPlusOne> RiXtEr, if you have a table that can hold 500kg, you don't weigh 500kg if you sit on it. The same way with current. It can provide up to 1.5A, but it won't force it.
[21:21] <RiXtEr> kk just wanted to be sure! :) thanks again
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[21:22] <ShadowJK> Make sure both are DC, and that the polarity is the same
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[21:35] <neure> hi
[21:35] <IT_Sean> 'lo
[21:36] <neure> would there happen to be a combined usb hub - rpi case?
[21:36] <neure> i just blew up the powered usb hub i've been using with rpi :/
[21:36] <IT_Sean> you blew it up!?
[21:36] <neure> yeah
[21:36] <IT_Sean> how did you manage that!?
[21:36] <neure> well, the hub had superbright (and useless) blue led
[21:36] <neure> so I unplug it for the night
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[21:37] <IT_Sean> right...
[21:37] <neure> now when i plugged it back in, i pluggin the the laptop charger instead
[21:37] <IT_Sean> you used the wrong adapter, basically.
[21:37] <IT_Sean> Yeah... tha'll do it.
[21:38] <neure> i hope the adapter is still ok :/
[21:38] <IT_Sean> To answer your question, i am not aware of a combined USB hub & raspi case. But, that does not mean one does not exist.
[21:38] <IT_Sean> The adapter is probably fine.
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[21:40] <neure> hmm
[21:40] <neure> i guess 4 usb ports is max i need with rpi
[21:40] <IT_Sean> how many USB ports do you need?
[21:41] <neure> i might not even need one
[21:41] <neure> i use mostly now through ssh
[21:41] <neure> and i have keybord which seems to work without usb hub
[21:41] <neure> i havent tried my mouse but i think that should work too
[21:42] <neure> i have a separate power adapter for rpi
[21:42] <neure> so i'd only need the hub for usb devices which dont work on rpi without a hub
[21:44] <IT_Sean> indeed
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[21:54] * buzzsaw cant wait for tomorrow...
[21:54] <IT_Sean> what's tomorrow?
[21:54] <buzzsaw> freaking slow shipping :-)
[21:55] <buzzsaw> my rpi will be here
[21:55] <IT_Sean> ooooh
[21:55] <IT_Sean> I see.
[21:55] <buzzsaw> still looking at os's to run on it :-)
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[21:56] <buzzsaw> looks like just about all of them are out now :-)
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[23:22] <Winston_Minitrue> .
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[23:28] <vjacob> hiya. is a non-responsive keyboard (save for ctrl-alt-del) an indication of too little power coming into the Raspberry Pi?
[23:28] <vjacob> the keyboard works now and then
[23:28] <vjacob> and after a reboot without the wifi nic it works
[23:29] <Firehopper> sounds like low power
[23:29] <aaa801> ^
[23:29] <ShadowJK> Weird, if ctrl-alt-del always responds immediately, I'd have doubts about power.
[23:30] <vjacob> ShadowJK, it usually does
[23:30] <vjacob> I'm seeing this both with OpenELEC and RaspBMC
[23:30] <vjacob> don't remember seeing this with Raspbian though
[23:30] <ShadowJK> Can you ssh into it, and run something like "vmstat 5"?
[23:30] <ShadowJK> To see if the WA column has high values (>50)
[23:30] <vjacob> OpenELEC does not have 'vmstat'
[23:31] <ShadowJK> Well, that sucks.
[23:31] <clever> cat /proc/meminfo maybe?
[23:31] <vjacob> thanks though. I might try this when I get a spare SD card for Raspbian again
[23:31] <vjacob> clever: to me?
[23:31] <clever> vjacob: yeah
[23:31] <vjacob> cat /proc/meminfo works
[23:31] <vjacob> what am I looking for?
[23:32] <clever> not sure, just pastebin the whole thing
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[23:33] <ShadowJK> I don't find meminfo nearly as useful as realtime vmstat :-)
[23:33] <clever> ShadowJK: only real difference is the formating and constant updates
[23:33] <vjacob> http://pastebin.com/jeWwcqPA
[23:34] <clever> little low on free ram, but not sure if thats an issue
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[23:34] <vjacob> this is with only the usb keyboard attached (apple), an utp cable for ethernet, and a composite cable (yellow)
[23:34] <vjacob> should I try again with the USB nic inserted?
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[23:34] <lilalinux> I just bought the video codec licenses and got an email with download links
[23:34] <lilalinux> however the links are broken
[23:35] <lilalinux> "You have requested an invalid product download. Please try again."
[23:35] <clever> lilalinux: pdf files in the links?
[23:35] <lilalinux> pdf files?
[23:35] <lilalinux> "Something Went Wrong..."
[23:35] <lilalinux> "You have requested an invalid product download. Please try again."
[23:35] <ShadowJK> clever, well you can have 9 gigabytes of swap in use without ill effects, or 30M of swap in use slowing down system severely
[23:35] <vjacob> I think it's more an OpenELEC issue to be honest
[23:35] <vjacob> or possibly XBMC
[23:35] <ShadowJK> vmstat makes it easier to tell the difference
[23:35] <clever> lilalinux: when they started that, the email would simply link to a pdf file saying that you have to wait until somebody manualy generates your key
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[23:36] <lilalinux> RLY?
[23:36] <clever> ShadowJK: ive recently run into problems where it couldnt swap fast enough
[23:36] <ShadowJK> clever, yes
[23:36] <clever> ShadowJK: it would run out of ram before it had a chance to fill swa
[23:36] <clever> p
[23:36] <clever> setting the min free ram to 16mb fixed that
[23:36] <vjacob> I think this distro simply does not deal well with hot-unplug of usb keyboard
[23:36] <lilalinux> one should assume that this could be done automatically...
[23:37] <ShadowJK> I like vmstat because it lets you see how the situation progresses, if the SY column was high, I'd suspect USB issues, if WA column was high, I'd suspect running out of ram, or suspect sqlite present
[23:37] <lilalinux> I need the license to check why xbmc doesn't play vdr videos
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[23:37] <vjacob> what does 'vmstat' require to work?
[23:37] <lilalinux> but I'd hate to wait 2 days to proceed
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[23:38] <vjacob> ShadowJK, clever http://pastebin.com/EEVCUgNs
[23:38] <clever> vjacob: all it reads is /proc/vmcore /proc/meminfo /proc/stat and /proc/vmstat, the rest is simple code you need to compile vmstat
[23:38] <vjacob> (with usb nic)
[23:38] <vjacob> ok
[23:39] <clever> doesnt sound like a memory related issue to me
[23:39] <ShadowJK> Yeah that looks fine.
[23:39] <vjacob> no noticeable difference
[23:39] <vjacob> ok
[23:39] <ShadowJK> Although...
[23:39] <vjacob> could it be power related?
[23:39] <ShadowJK> Cached/buffers is low, and there's no swap available...
[23:39] <vjacob> ShadowJK, that's openELEC defaults
[23:39] <vjacob> everything fits in 1gb after all
[23:39] <vjacob> or o
[23:40] <vjacob> or so
[23:40] <ShadowJK> And 348532 kB comitted_AS
[23:40] <ShadowJK> hm
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[23:41] <vjacob> any good way to test the power supply to give 5V (-+ margin), if I can not see the voltage easily written on the plugs?
[23:41] <vjacob> -good +good and simple
[23:42] * cpg is now known as cpg|away
[23:43] <ShadowJK> Well, voltmeter applied on TP1 and TP2 on the rPi?
[23:43] <vjacob> aye
[23:44] <vjacob> don't have one here (yet)
[23:44] <vjacob> anything else?
[23:44] <vjacob> got chewing gum
[23:44] <vjacob> :D
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[23:44] * ShadowJK thinks
[23:44] <ShadowJK> arduino, gertboard, beagle? lab powersupply?
[23:44] <vjacob> all good ideas
[23:44] <ShadowJK> oscilloscope?
[23:44] <vjacob> hmm
[23:44] <vjacob> got neither
[23:45] * ShadowJK runs into more and more expensive ideas
[23:45] <lilalinux> clever: any idea if that can be accelerated?
[23:45] <vjacob> time to reconsider my inner mcgyver
[23:45] <vjacob> thanks a bunch though ShadowJK :)
[23:45] <ShadowJK> I have a really evil idea, but if it goes wrong, both your PC and rPi will catch fire
[23:45] <ShadowJK> So I should probably not mention it :)
[23:46] * cpg|away is now known as cpg
[23:46] <ShadowJK> and await the procurement of $15 multimeter rather than risk toasting $500 worth of gear.
[23:46] <vjacob> cya :)
[23:46] <clever> lilalinux: if what can be accelerated?
[23:46] <vjacob> I might have an idea
[23:46] <lilalinux> clever: delivery of the license :-)
[23:46] <clever> lilalinux: ah, not sure, i dont remember how long mine took
[23:47] <lilalinux> too bad, would have been nice to fix that issue during the holidays
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[23:55] <enque> I'm trying to find the location of installed programs, but "which" command returns nothing
[23:55] <enque> any tips?
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[23:58] <ShadowJK> Does the location matter?
[23:58] <ShadowJK> which forks for me in raspbian, btw.
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[23:59] <enque> for example?
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[23:59] <enque> i am trying to find quassel-core
[23:59] <enque> how do you mean does the location matter?

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